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What Is the Impact of the recently passed DOTGOV Online Trust in Government Act?

CompTIA Sharkbytes

21:20 min | 7 months ago

What Is the Impact of the recently passed DOTGOV Online Trust in Government Act?

"Welcome to competency as shark bites. Podcast with alan shark. Executive director at the public technology institute. Their this is alan shark and this is another episode of shark bites. Come to his. Pti podcast where we deal with state and local government issues especially when it comes to technology leadership. We're honored today to have doug robinson executive director of seo national association for state. Ceos doug and i had a previous episode and the topics. We did not get a chance to talk about. Which i think is very very important. Is its toll. Issue of the dot gov issue And this is something that pto was involved with a number of years ago with gsa when they were just feeling the e- the the environment and the politics but it having talked to doug he's been dealing this issue for quite some time so doug can you bring us up to date where we are with dot gov because there are so many local governments that have an extension of dot com dot co dot us. And it's very hard to figure out what is really the legitimate website of government and let alone. What are the security issues. I can look up a handful by random of local governments. And what do. I get h. T. t. p. Without the ass. And then i get a warning on my browser. This may not be secure which is not terribly satisfying to public that wonders. Why is their local government not secure so give us an update where we are and maybe a little bit of the background. This is a fascinating issue. Certainly i guess. Let me start quick. Quick background so Almost twenty years ago dot gov which which administered by the general services administration The dot gov what's called the top level domain and again. That's it's in the top level domain. You have dot com dot. Edu dot mil for military dot gov for the top law remain. It was exclusively only available to federal government agencies on nasio Back in two thousand and three requested that it be made available to state local governments and not long after that. Gsa changed their policy approach. we had conversations with them. I was with the state. Then i was involved in those conversations and Bet that's basically how it got started with a set of partners set of requirements at a set of policy provisions essentially regulations that have been codified around dot gov making it available to to state local sides the history behind that The states we. We did a report early on in two thousand and four promoting Late two thousand three promoting the adoption of dot to the states urging all states to move to gov as soon as possible and many of them were on dot com dot. Us we asked them to move from an seo advocacy position in two thousand five years later in two thousand eight we published a report of scotch. She called harmony helps and it was a review. Five year review were states. Were at that point. All but two states had officially moved to dot gov so today all states Again as since probably two thousand ten. All states have a last ten years dot gov as their primary domain name for their websites and predominantly most of their agency website. Some have made it. A many states have made an architectural compliance issue so that great progress in the states and local is another story. So if you look at the latest data we have from gsa in two thousand and twenty only eight point. Five percent of local governments are registered on the dot gov domain so we were have been working with them trying to promote that but understand irs serious impediments To moving and the most primary one is the fact that the domain registration fee is four hundred dollars annually on each have to renew his four hundred dollars And so we understand that's a huge barrier and the other words just education and awareness. I think understanding as you mentioned. The dog of domain really provides enhanced security features and promotes the public trust in government. I have always described dot gov as a special place in heaven for public entities. Because no one else can use dot gov anybody can get dot com address. Anybody can get a dot. Us address you just apply. exclusive top level domains. Like dot mil dot. Edu are only available to a proved registrants on so you can't be Just an individual getting dot. Edu domain and think you're running a college or university. That's not possible. Same thing with up. So that's the rationale behind that. I think what's really a raise. The issue quite frankly allen on the last since two thousand sixteen election certainly in two thousand and eighteen was the just of rampant misinformation and disinformation campaigns predominantly of from foreign. national actors. Are nation states Where they utilized non gov non dot gov domains utilize montcalm. They would create fraudulent websites particularly around a election. And so arash around there. It's it's it's imperative that citizens get accurate and trusted information from their government websites. And quite frankly the only way to know whether your website is a true government is if they have a dot gov domain because they have to go through all the gauntlet of getting that registration dying including all alcee provisions And think that's the that's the major difference that we've been trying to promote so that's kind of background is that there's a low level of of adoption at the local government level particularly we take the concerned about obscene digital government services but also things like elections where people were being misdirected bogus websites and giving fragile information about election information again and that they would have to trust dot gov domain understand that their local government was the a a trusted agent in there in that transaction so we worked with of the last congress for more than a year. Actually we working with that. On the dot gov act and with other associations and it was introduced in the last congress it actually pass at the very hand was bundled in as part of on the funding act At the end of december. Two thousand twenty. So it's passed and so a key thing under the under the new law a big move dot gov administration from general services administration to d. h. our homeland security to cisa which is the infrastructure protection agency. And they have a stronger role to do more marketing more outreach to promote the migration of dot gov for local governments they're going to provide. I think more direct technical assistance There's more details. In the law of the other thing does allows the state homeland security grant program to be used as an eligible expense for local governments to to move dot gov. if they don't waive the fees on. So i'll i'll let me stop there and see if you have any questions about that. I'll talk about some of the maybe the recommendations that that we have of putting our advocacy position and what we're working with today for with a with congress well in our research we found that most local governments are not totally aware of what this act is. So what you're saying is very very important and giving us some background is very very helpful. I guess the first question that comes about other than you've already been addressed. The money issue is does this automatically mean that they will be. Https meeting this force him into a more secure environment and secondly does sack require local governments to move to dot gov or is this more like a kind of a strong arm suggestion it does not require a local governments to move. The dot gov. I don't even think it's strong arm. I think at some. I quite find them. You look at the numbers out there. It's gonna take years allen to get to that position. I think it's going to be strongly encouraged at first and just like any other federal policy initiative where they want to get traction. I can see again. Speculating here. I can see over time where there may be a carrot and a stick approach of that mean there will be some strings attached to. Let's say future federal funding opportunities that if you're not on dot gov you may not be eligible so that that's that's i see this. I don't see them requiring. I see it very similar to some you know and this is nothing different that we've seen for forty or fifty years on some of the advances. If you want your federal highway funding a you need to move your speed limit. The fifty five. If you want your federal highway safety act money you need to have a mandatory seat ball. That kind of stuff so they didn't mandate a for states rights and local rights are not going to mandate that but i i can see where they're going to set up some of fairly strong encouragement to move to dot gov over time and again. I think it's gonna start with making it if feet fee is not weighed then again. I think that's a key provision. Is that the the it. It does stipulate that the director may waive any fees. Now it's that's opposite of what happened at gsa. Gsa early on was that the fees were There were no fees at the beginning but it gave the right to the. Gsa director to impose fees so it was actually a reverse of what they've done it since so of course immediately over the first few years let let dot of phoebe free at gsa to stimulate adoption but then they continue to to ratchet up those fees until a few years ago. They raised up to four hundred dollars annually so that nearly became a barrier to entry for most of the largest urban areas urban cities and counties to adopt out so We're not going to see. I think that fee go away immediately. But i suspect that most local governments will hold back until Again the ones who haven't already moved the whole back until they see that fee be dramatically reduced subsidized in some way or waved altogether. So we're encouraging that it doesn't automatically mean they move to https Unless they moved to dot gov that will be required again. Our advocacy for ears is We would encourage regardless of domain. You on all governments. Websites should be on a secure network transmission. Which is https required in the states as required by the federal government As you mentioned over time the white listing directly from the browsers are going again the block so everybody that's on that. Https will be included in the white listing and they will not be block. Those aren't will be identified as an insecure site and they'll get a message back to the user. I think you don't want to have that. So we've always been encouraged so Our policy recommendations in our current advocacy of our federal advocacy parties is that we strongly believe that dot gov should be free. The registration should be free for all eligible entities. That's a barrier to that most local governments think as cost prohibitive. It's showstopper right there. So we believe that we're going to work with To hopefully advocate for getting some additional funding to support that and somehow incentivize adoption. That way i think the other one is if is not just a change. The registration there is a cost to migrate and so the federal funds should be. That should be an eligible expense of omega security. This is the is the migration including things like in the non alcoholic. non technical administrative transition costs. i. I've gone through this with the state and It had to do a lot of educating of handed to have a lot of conversations with the lines of business the agency cabinet heads to explain to them that that this movement again in our case it was mandatory there was a one year transition and then it was mandatory that they moved to dot gov and so states can do that. But i think there's other socio costs with you know collateral material and business cards again that i shouldn't say it's it's trivial but quite frankly all those can be resolved by by your domain name on so it's it's a long thing. I think the other one is that i mentioned you. And i've talked to other people about his at a. We are certainly recommending decision that they establish a stakeholder advisory group that they get state and local folks involved in providing feedback all on their output strategy to earlier up their outreach strategy campaign so to speak to local governments and they should work with local governments to put together some. I guess marketing campaign materials about the advantages of being on dot gov and they also have to deal with a domain name. I think dispute resolution. Because there's going to be some conflicts. And i think they're going to have to have a group that should resolve those conflicts around who should be provided what domain name and whether they have to whether it's mandatory that they follow the federal policy. The federal policy is very Strict in terms of of how the domain should constructed essentially the taxonomy the naming Have to get an exception over to into not accept that. So i think that's gonna be something that's going to have to put in place so towards that end. I mean i'm thinking as you're talking. How many localities use the same name. I mean you can have name us four or five times throughout the country leanings duplicates okay so then the question is okay. There only be one. It has to be some kind of policing and some kind of compromise. Maybe it's whoever's i maybe that's an incentive you know if you know that you're a city or county of which there are five or ten names of you know like washington you know there's a state but there's many localities or call washington and if i'm a if i'm astute cio or civic leader. I'd say you know we better be first because then we can have most of what we want. And if we're last it's going to be you know. Washington two point. Three dot gov well. And that's what. I'm saying. The current issue so if you look at the current naming structure the taxonomy listed in the policy. Which has been followed aas part you must include the two. You must include that two digit state abbreviation the state the postal code. Iso code for the state. So there are many examples across the board where you have a similar. How many springfields do you have right. How many washington's do you have emmy nominee lexington there multiple cities and named lexington. Lexington is is lexington ky. Not gove right. So he likes to massachusetts they would have to be lexington m a lexington north carolina. They would have to be lexington. Nc so if you look at that's how it's resolved that's how is is the taxonomy is defined in for the naming in the policy. So you're right but there are examples where that cause issues right and so. I think that's going to be a. That's what i mean by having an advisory look there's something else that's come up which i think i- nasio the past has as opposed a non official eib would unofficial conversations. One is Advertising prohibited on dot gov site and so that's a good example of. I believe that that may come up again at particularly with local governments. Could they might see their website as potential advertising. Benue a nasio again would oppose. The permitting ashtrays prohibited today. There's there's too strong pro. hit prohibitions. One is campaign. You cannot use a dog down site for any campaign information or campaigning for a state of local position. And you can't have any advertising on it. So i think that's something that you're probably going to see much more to local level and they and they know that at any other is is going to be this conversation around Hood states again. We've made position clear more than a decade ago. That states should not be permitted to use. You're a busy guy can we. Can we pause right now here. Let me i got. I got to get this important point. D the those those kind of prohibitions including Whether or not what. I'll call monikers or tourism campaigns or other types of descriptive names for cities and states should be allowed as part of their dot gov and so i think that's. That's an odd lots on us. One example at say is is kentucky is the bluegrass state. And so you know again in. Every state has their nickname and those should not be permitted to be used. Bluegrass state dot gov or sunshine. State dot gov things like that and you can think of many many many cities the windy city dot gov the big apple dot gov. You can go down the list of cities that have these nicknames or monikers and that has come up before they wanted registered those and adopt doubt domain and again that that's outside the policy and they were looking for an exception and our position was that should not be permitted as an exception. So i think again that there was no official advisory body. There was no these were simply requests. That were being made to us for an interpretation on. I think those are the types of things that will have to be addressed as you said particularly when you start adding thousands of local government jurisdictions they might wanna use those names that distinguish themselves But again they also have to recognize that the again the naming policy actually says must have your state abbreviation in any local government website. You'll find many examples where that's not the case today so it's conceivable and more to come on this topic of course but it's conceivable that many local governments are going to have more more than one site they already do. They may have the official site. And maybe the other side is everything else that they can't do on dot com. We shall see but this is really an important topic. Thank you for sharing this with us. I mean you probably know more than almost anybody right now about this. I mean we're just. It was at the end of the last legislative session. That year was coming to a close all sorts of turmoil going on. And it's still going on but it's something that we have to wake up to and kind of navigate through so we've been having a conversation with doug robinson the executive director of seo national association state cio's doug it's always a pleasure and there's never enough time so thank you so much for with us onto episodes. I talked too much time. it's good it's all important stuff anyway. Thanks so much appreciate have a great day thanks. This has been a production of pti the public technology institute to learn more visit. Pti dot org.

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What Are the Obstacles and Opportunities for State and Local Government CIOs to Work Together?

CompTIA Sharkbytes

28:57 min | 8 months ago

What Are the Obstacles and Opportunities for State and Local Government CIOs to Work Together?

"Welcome to competency as shark bites. Podcast with alan shark. Executive director at the public technology institute. Either everyone this zelen shark. And i am with come. His shark bites podcast. Part of the public technology institute. In as you know now we are part of come to you and We're happy with this relationship. It's great so we're happy today to have doug robinson who is kind of my counterpart with the national association of state. Cio's better known as desio. Doug welcome thank you allied to be here today. You and i go back a few years. Both of us started in our respective organizations you witness in the year. Two thousand and four. So we've seen a lot of changes and We can talk about that but right now one of the leading questions i ask as we begin our little discussions is how did you get where you are and other words. There were things that you did. That prepared you to go. Seo i think it'd be interesting To kinda share that with our audience. Thank you. I know if i'm still prepared to be a nasty but we'll we'll talk about that later so I have had a. I'm blessed to have a very interesting Career predominantly in public sector technology. However i spent my first fifteen years of my career after graduate school in in research and public service at the university the university kentucky actually Was recruited there for a position which i was clearly not qualified for a but they hired me anyway because i guess i have a lot of interest in passion around two two sectors an area that actually studied graduate school which was science technology public policy. The intersection of technology and public policy in in government and i had a strong interest in that And so i was a position which was essentially public service role. And after doing that i was predominantly during that time period. I i basically lived off of contracts and grants for many years. I was a nasa contractor also. Nsf science foundation. So i lived in that world of of soft money and being supported by grants for a variety of things and and many of the topics was addressing had to do with information technology early early stages this even before interaction personal computers and was very interesting. I became brilliant kind of unanswered with that out and from there moved into state government and interestingly enough my first positions in state government i was the first executive director of the office of geographic information systems g. I ask brand new office. That was stood up by legislative Fiat and had a council. And i was asked to come in. Con- start this organization up. Which idea of as i had a real strong interest in some background in s. Long since forgotten what. I'm supposed to do there but it was. It was kind of interesting And then moved into various roles within the administration on his head of the it commission We formed strong. cio cabinet level model. In the late. Nineties and i became a deputy cio and served as the chief enterprise architect and variety of their tasks. Whatever they wanted me to do but as per predominantly around architecture and in strategic planning and policy and spent a little over a dozen years in state government and a variety of roles in. It working in the governor's office Last year's and then Nasu a was looking for an executive director as you said in two thousand late. Two thousand and three. They made a decision to move to a. I would call it a strong executive director position that could lead the association but also be the voice and they decided they wanted somebody from from the domain from the discipline and so i was a candidate and knew nothing about running. An association knew nothing about the association. Roller than i had a passion for public sector technology. And all the aspects of that in the challenging role of of the state cio here. I am i committed in two thousand and four to stay for three years and so here i am so you never know. Well i share. Your passion acknowledged. Yes so let me ask you. Yeah let me ask you then in your sixteen years. What have you the most about your position relationships. I'd say relationships building a strategic alliances with organizations that most support than seo mission and vision and support our agenda and the ones that don't and trying to get them to understand that so it's working with groups like yours and we've been working together for a long time But i think that's what i enjoy the most that relationships with those organizations and building the voice of maciel ambulation ships with my members as you know we have a quite amount of churn and turnover and known hundreds of state. Cio's and deputies and others. And i really enjoy getting to about lifelong friends with a lot of them because they come back and become members of aasiya with other organizations inside really kind of enjoy both the personal relationships and i get satisfaction. I guess i i certainly i'm grateful for the opportunities But i also enjoy being able to go out and preach the gospel so to speak on the nasio positions and and what we know from our studies on a research. that's my primary role. So that has been curtailed. Dramatically obviously like just like yours in the last year plus with my travels. But i think that's it. I think if i were to sum it up it really be that relationships associate And you know this. I think really the d. The association rolled is the strength. That is really about building those relationships. And that's what. I enjoy being to do that. Oh i have to ask you what has frustrated you most over these years. I can take a couple that might fit in where we both share but is there anything that stands out that has frustrated you the most over they share all probably a long list of things. The i think one of the key things for me is a and it's a stereotype. But there's a general lack of understanding. Around what i call the the the the cio leadership role versus the cio operational or call infrastructure plummer role and. It frustrates me today. A win terms or use like well. That's a basalt back office function. And you know our my in my role. Even as even as someone who was involved in delivering an executing on important programs leading major projects in state government That always frustrated me because the technology is enabling and support role for business transformation in state government. It's not about the boxes wires. it's really about the leadership piece. And certainly. that's what we've seen for state ceos As you've seen that role has evolved in the last decade to be much more transformational business leader estate. It that always frustrates me win. Those common stereotypes well as just a that's just an. It function her as a back office function. If anything what we've seen during the during the pandemic is is that role has been elevated and had been critical to the continuity of state government. I think now a lot of states realize that so they have a different perspective about the role of the state cio the critical nature of of that. We we have. We had a campaign years ago. Called states ron. It and i think we're trying to make the point as we've done with many of our other campaigns about cio leadership but just even including corporate partner states run on it and it was no more visible than the last year Of what states needed to do that's probably continues to be that both executive branch and legislative branch. the lack of the they don't appreciate The the guest. The challenges of those date ceo positions and how difficult it is to navigate by call the cio pirate mapped success. Well we sure that the local level. I think what i refer when we talk about the pandemic i referred to it is too great pivot And i think local governments being closer to people probably have fared fairly. Well i mean. I'm hearing good reports that for the first time they're being recognized as never before being asked to come into meetings that they were never part of the meetings where they were brought in as an afterthought so you talk about back office i talk about afterthought hey we just bought this. How do we implement it. How does it integrate. And we make the right decision after the fact so we could go on and just horror stories. But i'd like to talk about something that has brought both organizations together. that is the whole issue of. How can we work more closely together. Not necessarily that's probably a byproduct of the larger problem but right now with cybersecurity being number one on your radar ours. I mean this has been the top concern of our people in your people for at least a decade i believe and now broadband has come into the picture as well so there's probably some other issues but we together as organizations have been here before we've tried to get into local sta- cooperation but i. I'm getting a sense that. There is a greater sense of urgency and and awareness on both sides. And i see some problems. I know that you did report. With the national governor's association. They believe the beginning of last year. That pointed out some real life examples. And i just wanted to get your thoughts ideas about a. What is the problem. What is the opportunity. And what can we do moving forward. That might actually kind of fuse. These various parts together. Well i think let's start with a with a problem statement. Which is that cybersecurity. Clearly is the major threat to the. I called the continuity of government as opposed to treating it as an information technology issue. We certainly for the last. Several years have been trying to elevate this to the the fact that this is a business issue that affects the continuity of. And it's not just in the purview of the technology space. And so when you look at that we've been promoting the whole of state concept along with the national governor's association and others but we started that Conversations several years ago about what we call. Kind of multi stakeholder engagement that has to be broader than simply the cio and the central it organization and has to be the lines of business agencies within the state's emergency management and it has to include state police national guard home security advisers. Go down the list that as a broader peace and then when you true the true hall of state is expanding that where you're including local governments including the cities and counties in the district including health departments your including in some cases the particularly around the the issues of broader critical infrastructure. You have to think about utilities and others that are directly could be directly impact or a compromise or cyber disruption would would impact a continuity of government. Either way so when you take that that larger picture which includes local governments. Then you have to think about what can state do. And so as you know in that report we outlined some steps that states can take and we also outlined examples of states that have actually a good job communicating and also engaging their local governments variety ways in some cases it's providing them with direct services and others as allowing them to purchase off of opposite your state price contracts or delivering drek services including them in their network scanning and monitoring and there's lots of examples we could go through and there's in training our cyber rangers things like that that states have done and certainly could do. I think it really gets down to alan. Part of it is simply look at the challenge State cio have in most states in part of that is continuity of of leadership itself. Because you have a median tenure right now about twenty two months. It's very difficult if the cio has a full plate and they all do To try to work through most most of them that have been around will tell you is some of my senior folks that have been around. We'll tell you it's six to seven years. I know that from my experience we. We basically began a journey to the transformation and was seven years and before we started really making some dramatic progress around consolidation. Because they're just to a patient resistance or cultural resistance to change and you're really trying to make those and so i think that's the challenge with the state ceo position in the organization is the fact that in in their strategic plan or their strategic business. Agenda probably doesn't include you reach out to local governments in their state and engage them in some kind of cooperative activity. It's not something. That's that's on their their playbook when they they come into the state. Ceo position so really have to be intentionally have to have a broader perspective. Cybersecurity as you mentioned is is jointly our our top priorities for state local. And so i think that's given the opportunity for for states to reach out and include those but there's much much more that can be done and i think part of that is a lack of awareness Part of it is the cio organization. You know may not have the necessary resources or they don't see this as a strategic imperative That they should include local governments in the conversation of if they did they have to dedicate resources to education in marketing. Which quite frankly i know. They're not doing so. They're not spending an a specific amount of time reaching out and that they don't do that. I can't expect the local governments thunder stand in what the opportunities are there. So it's it is kind of a it is somewhat of a chicken and egg issue for a lot of a lot of the state so we're in the role as the national level is to highlight as you know highlight the successes and best practices or were really good practices. And say you you you. Youtube can do this. You got to commit to stepping out and reaching out to your local government jurisdictions. I think inside. We're seeing more and more than today. I would agree. Doug but i have to say when i read the report. I think there's was twelve or fourteen good examples and they were good. But if i read the report correctly there was no mandate to do this. And other words. Some of the most incredible cases i've read it was because cio at the state level felt. This was the right thing to do. And you know. I think you kind of said that but i'm coming back to it's like this isn't pardon is not their dna. It's not their job description. It's not in their charter on yet. Everybody assumes that everyone has all this commonality and they might you know. They went to a cocktail party. And all that. But there is this this gab. This air gap. And i'm wondering what are they. Concrete steps that might fortify. You mentioned best practice since in. I'm wondering out loud. What if we part of our model was to have some kind of local government advisory group and other words kinda come up with a a structure that suggested the state cio that. Because i've heard from ceos and sure you have of course that. How do i reach this group. If i want another. It's to get the biggest ones are the easy ones. What about these small townships. What about these small little groups. I mean they don't even have a full time cio so know to pick my my upper strata or what and in many of these states they do have local groups in california there are like three local government groups in texas there are at least a local government groups Maybe there was a a more a model that kind of encouraged. A governance plan to at least try is pilots. We might see more movement in that direction your thoughts. I agree night. My experience with the state of i led a lot of those engagements and i worked directly with the missile league and the association county. So you're right now. So the two groups that i reached out to immediately when we had Things that we were going to promote like. Gps resources or resources. The other thing you can do your right. Is that each state at some level. Each organization has some type of external advisory agreement. That they don't again we we had a still exist. A we had a long standing external advisory group that was composed of christ up of representatives of that. I think we had a mayor or city manager and we had a county executive that was on that visory committee they they were representing their constituents groups right so they they would provide through kind of come neither ship around their particular jurisdiction and they would ask those questions. I think mandating it given the resource issues. I'm not sure that's advisable. But i certainly strongly encouraging this is. This is the challenge of for states. And i'm gonna generalize because it's the overwhelming majority of the states organizations as you know are one hundred per cent charge back. Meaning they are funded by agency receipts or revenue coming in from customers. They serve so you know ninety percent of the state ceos do not receive a general appropriation. They're not in. The budget is is essentially. What is constructed from their forecast revenue coming out of their customers so it makes it difficult for them if this local governments are not be paying. Customers are not part of the service catalog. Where do they get these funds to be able to serve local governments all to spend any time at all engaging with them you know. My argument is that it's in their best interest to do so. I really did that. When i was with the state for many years I would attend and speak at the municipal league and the county clerk's association. I did briefings almost every year at the county clerk's association on both technology topics but also that there a wide range of services that they can take advantage of which would be in their best interest. And i think that's the other thing. In most cases it's in their best interest to take advantage of state price contracts because the states the anchor tenant nerve. They've driven the price down. So so those are. There's lots of tactical examples. You're right. I think the biggest the gap that you air gap. We have is really brown understanding and communications. And i don't. I don't see enough states. I organization spending time trying to close that communication gap could don't see it as part of their agenda quite frankly and and so whether they're so probably should be some encouragement particularly in cybersecurity. And we've that's area that we know there's commonality if you look at the data from you seen this date. Every other year we asked the question about what services are are you offering to local governments and then which ones are taking advantage. It tends to lead with cybersecurity but also network services and telecom. Those are other taken advantage of. Gps she has contracts and spatial data repositories. they're taken advantage of by locals but there are others certainly data center. We're going to see that grow so we can talk more about that as the businessman way ball. I think the opportunity is for locals to look at the state as a potential of external hosting environment. Say do we really do. We really need to to be the owner operator in this local government. And we've seen this a lot of examples of this even larger sections that made the decision to move their computing environment into the state data center and not run us. Use those capabilities. Virtual is the environment. And we've seen that but that that's that's a challenge from inter jurisdictional a relationship issue so but something we could look at. The future is how to local governments cloud contracts for example. The state has already negotiate. It might be interesting. If there was a way to get some incentive monies from the federal side you know in terms of at least demonstrating some pilots in a few states especially in the areas of cyber in the areas of cooperation. That you've just mentioned or a contest or something but we will further explore that issue. Because i think the need has never been greater when it comes to cyber in the remaining time let's just talk about broadband broadband has been looked upon traditionally as something that is local government type issue the pandemic and the great pivot really exposed an opening especially when it came to the digital divide but then again states were very much bog with the five g And very much involved with i met and there is a role. Is there more that we should be thinking about in terms of working together but it comes to broadband. I think there are some tremendous opportunities. You mentioned it's a now has a much higher priority on the state cio list but it has been on and off list of for fifteen years. If you look at current alcohol governance models across the state the cio of only leads broadband and a quarter of the state. So essentially seventy five percent of the state's the cio is not the lead organization for statewide broadband policy and deployment there and they're part of an advisory group and many of them share the state broadband commissioned or state broadband authority or whatever advisory council. They might have so they're directly involved but they don't they don't lead that We've been very careful over the years as you mentioned. It's a predominantly local government organization. But again i was also involved at the state level with one of the early early states to do statewide. Broadband mapping to really identify the coverage. They the gaps in coverage is on also where we could a- promote a brought her opportunity inaccessibility with working with the carriers. I think that's a key goal. The state that the the statewide mapping. That's where states have really taken on. That role could work With their with their local governments in a variety of ways expand broadband by getting more feedback from them. If they're if directly involved the key thing if you look at in all of the above the it empirical studies the academic studies studies by the think. Tanks there too big issues and one is funding and fact on our most recent survey we asked the state seattle. What's your major challenge. Eight percent funding. So if you look at some of the other pieces it's funding and then and then affordable broadband access so the affordability piece for the consumer end or for. The business side is really one that has to be addressed. And i think the big policy question has been for years. What's the role of state in that or. Is that simply carrier function. How does the state incentivize. But i think they could certainly work with their with their local government. So i think nasio as you saw from our federal advocacy price for twenty two hundred for the first time in many many years. Broadband is back on the west as you mentioned exposed because of the of the pandemic and the and the k. Through twelve homework gap issues and everything else and so i think that what we are. We are promoting the new administration. Certainly is to figure out the role of the states and expanding broadband access in working with their local government partners in air carriers and everybody else and also We would like to see a revision. And the fcc mapping methodology and many people have proposed this nasty out. We were careful not to weigh in on this Decided it's now time to really make policy statement that The census block approach that algorithm is flawed it. It doesn't really need street. Level address levels centerline. Mapping you needed at a grander level. Because census walk level seriously distorts. What's really going on out there On the ground and so states like georgia which has as spent a lot of their own funds to improve They have over five million address points right now to they have much more granular data about where it is and so then that helps you better invest federal and state dollars. So that's just want to be one granddaughter. Example of our policy initiatives. So we want. We're going to be working with the other groups that had been on at this for a long time. But i think we can add the weight of the of the cio organization to to that whole co situation because again that's this is about economic development about educational opportunity. It's not about technology as you said something when we asked what the post covid world hopefully will be in that pretty soon. What that was gonna look like a terms of priorities. I was not shocked to see broadband as number three offer. The state yeah party so it's legacy modernisations is going to be in their modernizing. Id but you're right. Those were those were the two major areas exposed during the pandemic was broadband access. An affordability a think we have to address the affordability issue. And it's not just a rural issue it certainly urban and the other piece of that was The the need to modernize that so we're going to see bills. I think introduced both that the state and federal level around modernization. If and at there's one topic that governors have for many many years the one technology topic governors have referenced in their their inaugural addresses their state of a state addresses which read is broadband. That's the one thing governor. I get they may not understand some of the others but they do get broadband they hear from their constituents on that so that is so true awkward for so i want to switch gears. But we're not gonna have time to completed this episode so let me tantalize the listeners. By saying i now want to move for next episode to talk about dot gov which is being required or will be required of of all local governments since they governments. And it's an interesting topic worthy of its own episode. So doug thank you for being with us. You've been listening to doug robinson the executive director of of seo national association of state. Cio's thank you for being with us today thank you. This has been a production of pti the public technology institute to learn more visit. Pti dot org.

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Improving Government Services Through Partnership, Empowerment, and Transformation

CompTIA Sharkbytes

28:44 min | 2 months ago

Improving Government Services Through Partnership, Empowerment, and Transformation

"Welcome to competency shark bites. Podcast with alan shark. Executive director at the public technology institute. I everyone this is ellen shark. And i'm the executive director of public technology institute. Better known as pti here. We are with another episode of shark bites where we explore tech leadership in government in all facets. Today i'm actually honored to have amanda who is a ceo code for america. Amanda welcome thank you. Thanks for having me. So we think we've crossed paths in the past but we officially met probably on june thirty s when the subcommittee on government operations held a hearing on sade local government after the pandemic and we were together two of the four speakers that were called in to testify. Amanda came in remotely. I have to tell you. I was there and it was the weirdest feeling you have. He'll hell experience. And you know that was a pretty big hearing room if you didn't. It's the largest one in the building and it was just doug robinson and myself and maybe to repress people for those watching you wouldn't have noticed that did it echo no so quiet. I think we were both very nervous so to set the stage. I just want to let the audience know that amanda has spent the majority of her career in public service starting a small town teacher chief of operations at the california department of justice national political director for secretary clinton managing the political outreach strategy for the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign and also as chief of staff in the united states senate. She was named one of the most influential staffers by roll-call and received a number of awards as the first latina chief of staff in the history of the us senate and in addition to a policy. Work she's also run a congressional seat in two thousand fourteen and also for governor in two thousand eighteen believing that empowering others is at the heart of public service she has degrees from stanford university harvard business school and serves on several nonprofit boards. And when i look at this get exhausted. I didn't even cover all the things you've done and having a sense of you man a your career is just beginning so again. Welcome thank you. Thanks for having me so my first question that i ask everyone on the program is i'm always interested. In what led you to seek out public service. I mean so many people's. I wanna be a doctor. I want to be a lawyer. I want to be an airline pilot. would it be an astronaut. Both from a woman's point of view it's not often that we see people going into public service and we'll get to technology as well tell us a little bit about. What was it motivates. You know this is my calling. Yeah i so. I grew up in a very small town called woodlake in the central valley of california. It's actually the lowest income congressional district in the state among the tent lowest income in the country. And i just recognize how important government is to places that might not have access to opportunities or the flip side of that is recognizing how some communities feel very forgot by this institution that is supposed to be in a place of really connecting every kid opportunities and so i have been incredibly fortunate to have been able to go to the education institutions that i've been to the positions i've been in. I've always felt it's my job to figure out a way One one might say to put with like on the map but really the essence of that is to really make sure voices that may not be able to travel to dc or may not quite get how the government system works. How do we make sure we have a government institution governments in general. That really do reach every single community where they are. And that's really been what i've tried to do over the course of my career and so it wasn't. I suppose it's not surprising that i find my way to not only being back in my hometown of being a small town teacher. Where i i fell in love with public service but also really thinking about that throughout my career including to today's work that we do at code for america which hits a lot of low income communities. It's exactly what we're trying to do and so that's been through threaded all the way through it. What i've learned is government really does impact your life from the policy. That's happening in the united states. Senate to people who run for office to how today government systems work or don't work And so it's with that vein. That i feel public service is both a calling as well as an opportunity to make a difference and a responsibility to get this thing right so here. We are meeting for the first time. On june thirtieth at the hearing. And it's one of the first hearings that i can recall that really focused on state and local government especially in the way they did this and the focus was on. It state local government and the experiences. What did we learn a post. Pandemic what were your initial takeaways from that hearing so having been a senate staffer for almost ten years of my initial reaction was like. I can't believe we were having this kind of conversation. 'cause i went of imagined when i was on the hill that this is something that people would have had the desire to talk about. That would've wanted to hear the weeds of it all it really so the i was. Wow we're having this kind of conversation. The second really came to me when we were in the discussion. And i think actually you said this which is here is this watershed moment right here. Is this major moment right in front of you and what was what was interesting about when you said that is yes. You are in an empty room But so much of what we have seen in life is when we look back on it. We go god. That was such a moment. And i felt like as we were having that conversation and as we think about what we're going to go forward in the future the kind of understanding of what we as a country have gone through and how that it's shaped the way services are delivered or the expectation of it I think we will look back on this moment. This moment of time of what kind of foundational changes do we put in place to really change. The way government operates in the future. Now i've been with the pti ahead for almost seventeen years now and so. I've seen a lot of changes over the years. But i guess the most significant was march. Twenty twenty which. I kind of look at is the great pivot and this was the greatest fastest technology. Transformation that i've ever seen. No one could have imagined it. I thought it would either take a pandemic or it would take an attack from outer space. So i got one right Because i teach this at the university but it was interesting to see that. And i think technology has its moment now. It really does. I mean i remember being at. Doj folks wanted to work from home men. The answer was impossible. Impossible where the words right and now you look back and go well. We've created possible in the course of you know fifteen months and really happened faster than that for a lot of organizations because you just had a figure out how to keep going forward while everyone was working remotely so i think this whole thing aside from technology really dispelled a lot of myths. Right one you bring up a telework. But when i look at the telework act one of the believe it or not. Founding principles of the telework was if there was a pandemic with a small p. You know they wanted. This was not the convenience federal workers it was really that if there was some national emergency like epidemic that the business of government could continue and there were so much pushback. You know. the telework doesn't work. You know we can't measure. We can't see and from everything that i see all the folks. I've talked to from many senior managers. They're starting to say you know we got more productivity out of folks than we did when they were in the office. I you know. I think we're we're sensing not only the positive change but recognizing that there are. There is just a different way of doing things right. And i think that was particularly important in government. And where oftentimes you think of government is very heavy institution and all of a sudden it moved right and it was flexible on how to try and figure it out and i think just the process of going through that and having the opportunity to do so Was the open door to do so was equally important because i think we also have a lot of people hold government to a very high standard of you. Must you know not change or i. It's if you are going to change. You have to be very careful. There is no risk in that. And i think people also gave that some great. Which is we're gonna figure this out. And so what i was hopeful for. 'em hopeful for is the grace along with the change that people recognize. We're all in different spaces. And i know the window will close eventually. But i hope that that's the part that we hold onto is both governments taking some new changes and some risks but also that. There's an understanding about doing that out in the world to agreed and we're specifically we know that This exposed digital divide. That has always been there but it just showed how necessary broadband is to everything we do in society and this is a way in which government communicates i'm encouraged. I mean i see some bills floating around that seemed to be Pinpointing some on this for greater broadband development in a much more accelerated manner. I mean this to me is got to be encouraging for you as well absolutely and particularly what you go up all the programs we are in what we know is people are trying to access services on their mobile phone right and and when you go to places like where i grew up where there's not a lot of good bandwidth you get timed out right in the middle of things and you quickly begin to learn that. Not only do people need access but what kind of quality of access do they have. So in some ways we're having some conversations when people used to argue whether or not every single locality needed lights or not only needed electricity. It is as important today and everybody understood that or at least got a sense of that in the pandemic when the only way have a communication was through online abilities. So let's go back for a moment. You're now with code for america. You you started in twenty twenty. Was that before the pandemic. Then i guess it was a i know it was both independent. Okay we are. Our offices. Were shut By the time. I came on board So it's been an unusual not only start but process because we still haven't reentered yet Yeah so we'll let you code for america. So when i started it's really is. Why got into public service. When i started to look around at organizations and institutions that could actually shape government to work for a new generation To work in a new way to really get that connection that i feel like is kind. Been lots throughout my public service career. I think people have started to lose trust in government institutions in its ability to work particularly for low income communities particularly for communities of color. And when i looked around at what institutions were actually proving that it can work and it can work for the communities. Like i came from coach. America stands as one of the major role model organizations that is trying to do it. And who has successfully proven not only can you do it in a big state like california with one of the with be most diverse population. But you can do things like this in a state of minnesota louisiana pennsylvania. And i think that for me That is how we get to a place where things work again as we've got to actually show people that it's possible and that is making sure systems work for all. People and coach for america has spent a decade doing it so your best known as an organization for building digital tools and services Fighting to change policies improve programs on your website there. Are you know some major words that you use to describe all about partnerships empowerment and transformation. So tell us a bit more about the code for america. Yeah so just a backup. We actually started as a civic tech volunteer organization where we built brigades at all across the country. There's eighty of now and it started out as volunteers helping community based organizations kinda come up to speed on leveraging technology it moved into pretty quickly recognizing. Gosh we need government to be able to reach more people. And that's when code for america. Started to say what governments could leverage technology and do better and we started off with a food stamps in food assistance in california called. Snap get cal. Fresh is what it's called and we started with saying is there a way to leverage technology in order to reach people and very quickly what we realized is. There's not only a space for technology. But how you do technology is remembering to start with the folks that you're trying to serve and building the technology and processes from there and so We've now not only done food assistance programs we've integrated benefits so where you can have one process for applying for benefits from cash assistance to housing assistance to food assistance and instead of taking sixty minutes it takes twelve minutes. So we've been in the social safety net space for while we've also been tax benefits so when you think about the earned income tax credit and having something free and mobile online that speaks to you in a very simplified way That was really important so we built that out the other piece of work that we've built is automatic. Record clarence so. A lot of the paper based petition process really holds it folks who have who are able to clear their records after serving and we wanted to say. Isn't there a way that we don't have to have all this backup and we can automate. We can automate this process And sure enough there is and so we've worked on those different vertical products and want to doing it because what we know is when you actually do do humans than what we call. Human centered design. You are able to have more effective government more equitable government And you're able to actually help people with dignity respect that i think these programs were intended to be so. If i'm a mayor what would you. How would they take advantage of your services if i am a cio. Which i suspect might be a little different how to take advantage of your service. Yeah so we partner with First of all we partner with a lot of governments in general and when so folks come to us and say we're trying to make sure instead of we're trying to make sure that we reach all communities. What are we doing right. What are we doing wrong right. And then we go on and we start to assess what are the barriers right. I you're not you're not online right or you're not mobile friendly or this question is really confusing for people and so we really are at some of the basic levels of understanding how systems work. And how do we make sure one at a time just tackling those different barriers in some places like louisiana. They wanted to They wanted to figure out a way to do outreach to low income communities what was the most best and most effective way to do that we helped him build a text messaging service to so that they can do it and when the pandemic kit. What's the first thing they did they were able to say. Hey folks are eligible for this program. Here's where you can go get help and assistance. Those kinds of of just you know they don't they sound very simple in the private sector where you see them all the time but what we're doing is we're integrating them into government as well so that government can be proactive and responsive And so that's the kind of partnerships we don't actually come in and tell mayors or governors. Here's what you need to part of what we believe in is meeting meeting folks where they are and saying what can we help you with So that you can reach low income communities better here. The spaces that were in hero. The best practices we know and then we partner on what the actual city or state wants in pennsylvania. They're asking us a. They've come to us and asked us. How can we do this in a in a more efficient way. And we'll work with that right. How can we do this in a new modern or upgraded way so that we reach more rural communities. And we'll share our best practices in our tools to do. So that's great. You know it reminds me going back to the hearing that both of us were at you know towards the end. There got kind of lively with some the discussion and misconceptions here there. I mean one of the things. That i bristled at was when a few of the members made some remarks about the private sector being so much better in responding to customer requests. Likening that to government. And you know it's one of those things that you leave and you say wait a minute. I should have answered that differently. Because i anybody that is listening to this podcast. Who's ever tried to get customer service from amazon or from ebay or facebook or any of them. I it's just impossible. And i think technology aside local governments are doing an amazing job because an especially since they have a captive audience right. I mean it's not like i drink pepsi-cola get angry at them. I go to coca cola. You know if. I don't like home. Depot go to lows or vice versa. Government people are not necessarily going to move if they're not happy with government which actually subways terrible because having a disaffected and unhappy populations not healthy. Yeah and we do you know what alan you're right. We do need to tell more of the stories of what we are seeing when governments are proactive. And that story doesn't get told enough. Like i have had some of those same conversations where i will here. Yeah but but no government ever do that. Some of this technology is very simple and maybe ten years ago. It would've been unusual the taxed but i bet people would have said ten years ago. There's no way government could text me. tell me to. Here's what i can get assistance. Governments are doing that and we need to talk a lot more about how important it was what people did during the pandemic. That was really quite beautiful and was more proactive than actually even the private sector. And i'm afraid that hearing put us all into defensive in many ways you very positive. I remember that you you above all else kept that positive tone. I got those offenses in some of the things because it just was frustrating. You know knowing that our governments are using chat bots. They are using artificial intelligence. I mean not all governments Some of the smaller ones that we all know are gonna struggle but as others adopt this technology it allows for others to adopt it is smaller scale because the costs initially amortized over those large organizations so there there is hope here that many local governments have all sizes where can take advantage of it. So when you look at your organization how do you see what are the changes that you see. Post cova as a result you. We both talked earlier before we started the recording that we see opportunities wore. I think the fundamental change that has happened with states that we serve. It used to be a lot more about trying to convince people why technology or digital service delivery in it was nice to have was really and now i think what has happened. Is everybody recognizes. It's a must have in today's world and trying to figure that out. I mean just changing that Sales to instead. Assistance is really an important beginning point. Because you you start with the idea that we're all trying to get to the same goal and understanding the importance of it There's no doubt that the pandemic really did and and unfortunately we're continuing to learn that we you know this might be a little bit more of a new normal which means digital delivery digital ability to communicate the latest news or what we're learning is actually imperative what we learned what everybody learned is those states though cities that were digital ready could move just much faster than those who hadn't yet and i think that that opening for folks when you say like oh there are some areas. That weren't quite ready. I think now there's a chance to get those on board. I think there's also a reality of You know where were. Don't we have access in this country. Broadband access is important and that became real. The other piece is i think equitable outcomes and what communities were affected. You saw that really surfaces well and so now the idea of going or how do we intentionally reach these communities to make sure that should there be another pandemic. We do this differently That's the part that i i I am most hopeful for is because it was the dual of we need to do differently and the realities of who's been left out and we have a shot to fix that piece so that shot you know. As i talked to folks around the country they have an interesting at a new problem in a new challenge for the first time they actually have money between monies that have not been spending the cures act or the american recovery act. I mean there are people with a lot of money and they're not sure how to spend it. They're not sure how to allocate it. What are the categories. What's your message to them. We wanna work with you. I'm also welcoming other nonprofits in the same space in the ecosystem to stay. Now's the time to really partner in jump in and help. I think there's a a real reality here. Which is we haven't We don't have enough tek talents within a governments in general and i don't just mean like a center for innovation but we don't have tech talent. We're talking about programs sitting at the table so that you can really figure out if you're trying to get safety. Net benefits out or tax benefits. Who is your tech team. Really figuring out that delivery process with you. That came in here. Yeah that came out in the hearing. When i think someone is why do we have all these failures and the one thing that came back to and we all agreed was you. Don't bring tech at the last minute no right you. You can't right. They need to be there at the process. And i do think this is where we're gonna need coats. America's we're going to need philanthropy we're going to need You know tech companies. Maybe it's fellows programs to jump in and help while government is getting the assets. They need to be able to continue this forward. So i do think is next. Couple of years are particularly important. Because i know government's not going to be able to hire in one day all the technologies that are out there that need for this. So how are we helping that step function happen. I think the other reality is we know that You know. I think it's something like the you. There's not a lot of young folks digital native folks right now in federal governments and we know it's going to happen as a matter of time and so to be able to help that curve. Move forward is going to be really imperative as we think about what. This government government looks like in general for the future and i would think this is also a fantastic opportunity to encourage diversity especially in tech. That's that's exactly right and you're seeing it. I mean one of the things that we do cook for america as we've had Bellows with lived experience so someone who is experienced reentry working in the city of santa barbara on their re entry services or someone who has experienced homelessness and figuring out. How do you work on housing projects and the data. The research actually from doing that suggests that you are quicker to adoption within government. But you're also quicker to trust with community based organizations anecdotally. What we're finding is for some governments. They've never been able to have the honest discussion about. Oh you mean you didn't even see us. We were putting that service out there though right and those kind of rich conversations are what changes truly changes not only mindset but how a government interacts with people. So that leads me. Perhaps one of the final questions that is you mentioned the new normal which is a term. We've all used. What is the new normal anymore. I mean i don't think there's any going back to the way things were. i mean. Some people may want to do that but there are people who really enjoy working from home if they can. There are people who enjoy the online services when they have the ability to access it. I mean what do you see. I hate to be a real estate agent right now for commercial property. You know with all the talk about well. We don't need offices that way. I mean i think the concept of office is definitely going to change. I think the one thing. I continue to hope Both for whether we're talking to you know our cfa community or our partners is that we all could use a little bit of grace and will continue to need need to do that. I think the world is still going to be quite unsettled. I know everybody wants to get to a more stability. But i think at least for the foreseeable future. It'll be a little bit unsteady. And so it's almost figuring out a way to become comfortable in unsteadiness but have some flexibility with the to And and so in that sense it's a new state Because we've tried to talk a lot at at code for america about there might not be some clear. Like here's what we doing and we're gonna stay here. We're gonna move forward but the new normal might be. We're trying this and we're going to keep iterating. We often talk about this in technology. When we're building any kind of programs or products is we're gonna try it out. We're going to you know out what works what doesn't work and we're gonna iterative over time getting better and better but we might just be in a constant state of that for the for the next couple of years so the first word that i described when this all began with sip great pivot now. It's all about agility right the That we have to be this. You use the word concept flexibility. I like that or a very agile framework moving forward where we have to be adaptable. Ready for change. I mean we thought the pandemic was kind of over and now we're realizing at least at this moment in time it really has. It's not over. Yeah and that's gonna take a lot of empathy from everybody because people move and change in different speeds. That's top of mind for me and the one thing. I guess that comes to mind when i look at lessons. Learned from the pandemic despite all the great video platforms that we use including this. We miss human contact. We miss touch. We there's nothing that replaces being together with somebody over a meal over a drink having a discussion. We've done very well using technology but in the end is really is about people right. That's right. I think i said this one of my colleagues. He's like how you doing. I was like i could use a hug. Right like doesn't replace a hug these days and i think that is hard You know and we're all going to have to figure out ways to toe create. Hugs in different ways. And i think that's the challenge of every leader today but also just a a better world going forward is how do you kinda create that kind of connection as wherein in this agile space for a while. Now at least when we're virtually don't have to wear masks. So we see the smile the warmth of somebody as opposed to just dismiss that kind of takes away from that amanda. Thank you so much for sharing your time today. This has been a great conversation. I look forward to working with the code for america in the future and we wish had nothing but success. Thank you allen. I look forward to being on the great pivot and forward with you throughout this has been a of. Pti the public technology institute to learn more visit. Pti dot org.

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October 4th: Dr. Johnny Parker HR 1

Mornings With Gail - 1310 KFKA

36:01 min | 2 weeks ago

October 4th: Dr. Johnny Parker HR 1

"This is mornings with kale and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi am okay. I'm gonna be gentle with us morning. Tape deep cleansing breath nama stay. Germany are jumping on that feckless fan bandwagon after the orange orange gut absolutely crushed yesterday. But is that the end of the world or the season as we know it you tell me dropping attacks on our thirteen ten one zero three one. Kpfk a text line triple eight five. Three zero zero zero forty three. Ouch it was looking pretty good up until the second half wasn't and then well let's say the wheels kinda came off six. Oh eight now. Northern colorado's voice one or three one thirteen ten. Kfi a mornings with gail via the auto collisions specialists studio. So how are you coping with the ravens blowout. Twenty three to seven win aches over the broncos yesterday question was it just an off day for the broncos i know they are bedevilled by injuries. I mean we had what seven injuries going into week. Four now teddy. Bridgewater may or may not have a percussion a concussion. As a result of some percussion he got thumped absolutely but a couple of other players out as well as they had to play the pittsburgh steelers next week. And yes smart. Understand mark A native of pittsburgh steelers fan job texas morning instead. What's up with the steelers. They absolutely suck. Well yes they do but are you willing to apply that same label as so many are saying. Oh there's no respect in the nfl. After the broncos sure they went three and playing admittedly cream. Puff teams. But after going down to the ravens. Well people are already throwing in the town to which i say why go. The distance can the broncos polit- back. Together you tell me dropped me a tax triple eight five. Three zero zero zero forty three. So is it just a bad day for the denver broncos yesterday or indeed as many would have you believe. Is that a precursor of things to come now. You had denver safety. Justin simmons saying extremely disappointing. Yes it was. We know how important this game was. We knew what the stakes were sir. The broncos ran onto empower field mile. High just aw pumped up. I believe there were only twenty four hundred or so. No shows that yesterday at the game pumped up and undefeated as the crowd was as well. Yeah ready to declare themselves as legit contenders after that. Five year. playoff drought which we won't focus on too heavily little more than three hours later. Well as marquess live in the denver post those same players with a multitude of fans looked pretty deflated defeated and beaten offensive tackle garrett bowles saying i'm angry well was he speaking for all a broncos country and then of course Looking at sad and fearful as a kid who lost his teddy bear quarterback drew lock led denver. Back where well none of us ever wanted to go ever ever again to the battle days of twenty twenty when football pretty much put a frowned on everyone in town. This was lots opportunity to shine. Unfortunately did he step up to the challenge you know he said i know being quarterback for this team is a heavy job now of course. He was forced to come off the bench at halftime. When that concussion not teddy bridgewater from the game. But gee you agree with kids. La's assessment in which he says. No teddy no hope. He was the team's bridge over troubled waters. He was the reason optimistic fans. Were willing to believe that. A three start against some other wretched cream puff. Nfl teams might actually be a reason to get excited. I still am about you. But when bridgewater got injured spirit pretty much was sucked out of the stadium and unless he recovers pretty quickly. This loss will count more than the three victories. Denver earned to open the season. Now when the broncos returned to the field after halftime kind of interesting teams spiritual leader. And i think that's an accurate description. Don't you bridgewater well. He stayed in the locker room and after being evaluated by medical personnel bridgewater was deemed unable to play and when lock entered the denver huddle with thirteen minutes. Twenty one seconds remaining in the third quarter. It was pretty chillingly silent in the stadium. Actually i think the crowd was actually too stunned. Even jere so quarterback who lost his job to bridgewater during training camp was greeted with uneasy murmurs of disbelief well for lock. It wasn't exactly a vote of confidence. I mean i. It showed in his rather reckless approach. Just it out and hope for the best well unfortunately sometimes when you hope for the best you also need to expect the worse. I mean you what you saw that run by. Receiver portland sutton i mean. He just blew the top off. Baltimore's defense breaking wide over forty yards downfield. But what's dog to well. He just aired it out once again. Heaving this uncatchable spall ten feet beyond sutton's outstretched arms lock said well. I've got to give them a chance to catch the football yet. Think perhaps that might help. He completed less than sixty percent of his twenty. One passes for a pretty darn meager one hundred thirteen yards also through what kisla described as a mindless interception providing. Another hunting sense of deja vu from twenty twenty qb rating fifty two point three pretty much a failing grade even for a backup without the benefit of work with the first team offense during practice. We can't bronco's coach vic fangio said in the post mortem. We can't have a hangover from this game but some san we certainly do don't we but again i ask you. Is it time to throw in the proverbial tau tau or. Was it just a bad day for the denver broncos. I'm still on the bandwagon about you now. By the way ravens defense had five sacks both broncos and the ravens are three and one although yeah denver's wins against the one in three giants the zip and for jaguars and the one and three jets. Ravens have a win against the kansas city chiefs. Now here this actually for me added insult to injury. Was this an in your face. Move or what and it pretty much. Irked the broncos. So what harbaugh do well. He preserved the ravens. One hundred yard rushing straight by running jackson instead of quarterback jackson instead of taking a knee with seconds remaining the game and the game was well to say well cited would be a bit of understatement right. So you had jackson running for five yards on that final. Play giving the ravens. One hundred thirteen yards rushing extending their one hundred yards street to forty three games. Which by the way tied the record set by the great nine thousand nine hundred. Seventy four seventy seven pittsburgh steelers teams of rocky bleier and franco harris. It was kinda rude and unnecessary. It even surprised to jackson. He said afterward. I thought he was going to ask me to take a knee referring to harbaugh. But he didn't stop there. I didn't know what he was thinking. Jackson said the game was put away. Not the most sportsmanlike decision. Wouldn't you agree and broncos players fans alight pretty much livid about this in your face type of maneuver as they walked into the postseason locker room now again. As mentioned sunday broncos will play pittsburgh. Where big ben rothlisberger and steelers struggling struggling with one. Three record and there is hope hope springs that bridgewater will be able to play but doctors never liked to predict the recovery of concussions. Because no two are. The same protocols are in place it will be up to an independent neurologists to clear bridgewater for the plane trip to pittsburgh. So let's hope that Teddy is able to reignite the broncos fire and get them back on track but both the offense and the defense struggled yesterday south. It's just not that simple is it. But are you bailing on the broncos. You tell me triple eight five. Three zero zero forty three. Meanwhile some fireworks. The celestial type brought Some smiles to some faces source of happy for some courtesy of their home security systems yesterday. We'll get into that in just a few six eighteen now. Northern colorado's voice one of three one. Thirteen ten kfi k. A time check sponsored by the candlelight dinner playhouse in johnstown bringing you an amazing production of footloose the musical taking center stage through november fourteen. For tickets and show information does jump online. Visit colorado candlelight dot com cams liked interplay housing johnstown broadway in your backyard. Prep sports in the unc. Bears or a northern colorado's voice three-point one in thirteen ten kfi k. Says kevin car with beck is at the movies. And you're listening to mornings with gail on northern colorado's voice one. Oh three point one and thirteen ten. Kfta fired all well there's fireball and then there are fireballs fireballs -joyed yesterday by a number of us across the centennial state. Courtesy of their security cameras outside their homes six twenty five now northern colorado voice one of three one thirteen ten kfi k. A. mornings with gail from the auto collision specialists studios this kind of cool to javan to see that fireball colorado as far west. I'm sorry colorado. Don's i stand corrected colorado as far west as evergreen as far north as wellington as far east as bennett and as far south as colorado springs well. They can't an incredible sight on their security cameras. Early sunday morning of fireball streaked. Across the sky Right around four thirty am now by nasr's definition quoting to a piece by cbs. Four a fireball is an unusually bright meteor. This kind of cool apparently Cbs four reached out to those who were able to access their security camera. Footage and joss ellis was more more than happy more than happy to share his experience. He lives in evergreen. He shared videos of a bright flash lighting up his entire neighborhood. That gets your attention right. Did you happen to see it. He said now get this. The light was bright enough to charge their solar lights now. Andrew fisher lives in wellington. He caught it all on his nest security camera so did doug robinson and can't newburgh out of boulder robinson said everything was pitch dark and all of a sudden it just lit up. It was like fireworks going off now as of sunday afternoon. The american meteor society had received forty-one reports about the fireball from cross. The front range about six people described hearing up. Boom you had. Chris peterson he works at the cloud bait observatory and goofy. He said so. This means this was actually descending very deep now ten or twenty miles away might not seem very close to the ground but when we think about typical burning stars were seeing things that are burning sixty to seventy miles high now. The cloud based observatory equipment also recorded the fireball. Streaking across the sky. Peterson who does double duty. He also works as a associate with the denver museum of nature and science said the occurrence only happens once every few years over a single area. Going on to say it's unusual for such a large object. I'm guessing he said it was somewhere around the order of like a ton of rock. That's a lotta of rock. Probably the came in. So it's a big chunk of stuff. Peterson said it's likely the fireball was somewhere between the northern part of park county and boulder typically about ninety to ninety five percent of the media will turn to dust pieces that do fall to the ground typically range from gravel size to baseball sized That could leave. a mark. Peterson said whether anyone anything gets found or not remains to be seen. But there's a good chance there's at least. Several pounds of material on the ground. Peterson said this current should be a reminder to yeah Break away from your cell phone and look up once in a while because it's an amazing little piece of nature That you don't typically get to see all right so we are a bit obsessed with our cell phones when you agree it be attributed to foam. Oh well this. As a new study shows we check our phones. Ninety six times a day overweight eighteen to twenty four year olds check their phones twice as much as the national average. Begging the question has our cell phone addiction. Gotten completely out of control dr. Johnny parker is an adjunct professor at john hopkins university. He teaches something called introduction to positive psychology This is an approach that focuses on conditions leading to happiness and living a fold life. Dr parker ways in right around six thirty five this morning closing in on six thirty now. Northern colorado's voice one of three one thirteen ten. Kfi join clark. Johnson and bruce dick for coach weekdays at eleven. Another in colorado's voice one zero three point. One thirteen ten kfi k. Good afternoon guy with brian. Gerry is coming up at three. In northern colorado's voice one zero three point one thirteen ten. Kfi k. well you might cry at. You can't check your cell phone ninety six times a day yeah. According to this new study we check our phones ninety six times a day. That's we once every ten minutes now. Eighteen twenty year eighteen to twenty four year olds. Well yeah they check their phones twice as much as the national average. Now you tell me i. Is this healthy dr. Johnny parker is an adjunct professor at johns hopkins university where he teaches introduction to positive psychology. This is an evidence based approach that focused focuses on conditions leading to happiness and well flourishing in your day to day life. professor parker. Welcome to the show. Good morning great to be with you. I certainly appreciate your taking the time. Because i know you've got your cell phone to check right. Yeah right now did. Did this catch you by surprise. Because i think we all get regardless you know of whether you're saying okay boomer or if you're talking about the young among us we all get a little twitchy. If for example we leave our phone at home and we spend most of the day reaching for phone foam. Oh yeah exactly. Promo has a big deal to do with that. That fear of missing out seeing what you're doing seeing what other people do we fear of them getting ahead of me. Some kind of envy What what you have. I can do better And so yeah almost certainly plays a big role in this that since of competing in danger at this is when we compare we despair and when we keep checking the phone and not being president with people we lose out on that deep needed need connected. Wow what attorney phrase when we compare we despair so it does beg the question. i mean. We just had some blockbuster Whistle blower fax coming out about facebook. I don't know if you saw that on sixty minutes last night former employees but it. It asked the question one of my takeaways was. Why do we keep repeating actions that make us sad. Yeah great question. Well part of it is going on with. Our brain is actually a relationship with us. Checking your phone. And it's a dopamine hit to our brain when we keep second phone even though that can make said but it does do something to our brain which triggers this This chemical In our branco dopamine and And so so. We can continue to do that because we we. We all want to be better. You know like people are prime. No-one bluffs into better. We don't want her to wellness. And so even though we make choices that we think might make is better and get us further ahead. They can actually be detrimental. Notice it absolutely to me some surveys. That have come out saying that folks would give up interpersonal relations or forty percent would actually give up their dog for a month choosing their phone instead. That can't be healthy. That's what he's say that that there are those who would even bypass sex in favor of their phones. So that does you. Just how reliant or even addictive. We are to technology that which we think will make us better in terms of being more productive. Can if we're not careful in manage it well it can actually be injurious and detrimental and this didn't happen by accident. Professor parker these devices were designed to tickle that pleasure center of our brains true and i think that also could leave the best of technology and those create these devices. I really believe that there are intended to make us better in terms of being more productive have more life work rhythm but it's our responsibility to manage it so for example in my life. I practice one day a week where i don't tell. Turn my phone on. I want to be present. Yeah i want to be president with my family. I wanna appreciate what i have. And not what i don't have and get into the comparison con Story and so. And then i practiced one day a month where I go a whole week without being on only social media. Suddenly my uncle my work my my work on my phone but just being away from social media and And and that's a discipline that's not always easy. But that's that's a habit that i've learned to continue to cultivate. Well our cell phones are almost like another appendage and when we leave them behind him wondering about your experiences. I mean so you've got the system in place so you're able to say okay. Tomorrow's a no cellphone day but feel some discomfort. Is that day kicks off. You know what. Actually i found just the opposite because i for me. It's sunday so i have a digital detox. Is what type talk about my book. Turn the page story within you That we need to practice. Some kind of sabbatical we see activity. We see social media. And there are companies even at google that that are recommending that we take days when we claim our lives by not going to social media. I mean there are camps actually created where people go away for a weekend just for digital detox so they can reclaim their lights and begin to write a better story of how they want to show up in their life immolation and work and how many times because some talking primarily pre pandemic but we are getting back into the swing of things in terms of sporting events and you know going out to eat and just a living. Our normal lives to some degree. How many times professor have you gone to a restaurant. And i am a student of human behavior and you sit there and you look around the restaurant and you seek couple couple after couple sitting there. Just clicking away thumbs are busy on their cell phones. They don't even have a conversation. Which i think is tragic and i've seen and i've been married thirty two years and i said to my wife honey. I don't wanna be that couple. I don't. I don't want that to be our and what i find. Is it went couples or when people in general. Don't have clarity about the story. They want for their life for the leadership for their team for the we tend to wander towards those things that keep us from being bored and apathy and so the phones in natural thing gravitate towards but the more that we are clear about the story that i want all my life or my leadership and begin to turn the page. Better story were less inclined to move towards that which is Just to replace boredom and aptly. So how do we know if we have a issue with the number of times a day that we check our phones and what can we do about it beyond you know your tips that you already gave us about you know having a digital detox day at least once a month. Yeah well one commenced once one once a week and And then one of the things that the study also shows that that that many of ninety percent of people we are bothered. That i'm sitting with you having a meal or having a meeting and you're busy chicken your own. Every few seconds i feel annoy. Why does that annoy me. Because we've all been designed to be known to be heard to be seen and what that says to me is. I'm not value that whoever you're doing with that phone checking scores checking weather. Ticking on the news is more important than being present with me so we wanna be one appreciate what we have. Which is what we don't have to do that too. How do i practice. Mindfulness how do i take a moment just to light a candle or just to read and meditate and pray and just be present with myself and present with other people. I gotta decide in advance. Hama going to show up today than today. I want to show up from love not for love and be present with you because your story and being president you is far more important. I believe they even my story and empathy for the more that we decide that in advance the better we can be in our relationships one of the things i retained from psych wanna one maslow's hierarchy of needs a sense of belonging nece. And when you're talking to someone and all of a sudden it's like squirrel and they're checking their phone that means they've checked out of their interaction with you absolutely and that is so offensive. Really i mean i. I felt that i have done it and And and again even in my married my wife. And i check each other and this honey. We do this walk. I want to be president with you. I don't wanna have a three way conversation with you. Me and whoever else is on the other line side at home and so that's that's exactly it so we want to really convey to people in pathy. How do i be present with you. How do i make you feel like you are seen hurt and known. I can't help but think that all of the isolation and the shutdowns over the past eighteen months of only exempt exacerbated that problem it really has because so many people are experiencing that loneliness and the mistake that we make an again. I talk about this in my turn to page book. That by creating the mini likes on social media. Means that i have real relationship and that's far from the truth It's still is still goes back to being present with someone drinking a pumpkin spice lot. Tell me what this eighteen months has been like for you and this listening to their story. And how do we create the space culture of empathy and wellness and gratitude. Well and there's a reason why god gave us two years to listen better and one mouth. Tell us a little bit about your book Turn the page book. That i write that every life tells a story and is your life tone of story that you were born to tell so in the book we wanna do three things with the reader. We wanna i help that. Reader leader reader I know their story. Who am i. That's true identity. What do i want. That's impact why do i want it. That's intent. I tell people no one wakes up in the morning thinking of how dreaming about living in average life and so i went out before know their story. We wanna help line. A line and around core values. I coach people take your first of all last name form an acrostic and craft your core values using your first or last name swoon. Help you know your story align your story and then nastya story where you embrace a life work with them. We don't advocate life work balance. We think that's a misnomer. Life is a rhythm of. How do i spend time every day reflecting refreshing. Who self-care centering around that which matters most and committing myself to a cause greater than myself and to release greater than myself Little uplifting positively. We can certainly use that on a monday morning to be sure that departure. Where can we find your book. You can even go to Johnny dot com. And you can you can you choir about it there. Johnny with two inns j. o. H. n. y. Johnny dot com or discipline go to amazon. Turn the page. Johnny parker dot com johnny walker. And you can find it on amazon as well. Johnny pucker at jack professor at johns hopkins hopkins university. He teaches a great course. Introduction to positive psychology and. The time doesn't permit this morning one of these days. Dr parker. I would love to dive into that topic of toxic acitivity. Because for me. That's mind-boggling but of course you teach introduction to positive psychology evidence based approach that focuses on conditions leading to happiness and flourishing. Thank you so much for your time this morning. Certainly appreciate you. Thank you be with you to take good care. Six forty nine now northern colorado's voice one of three one thirteen ten. Kfi kfi the good afternoon guy with brian. Gerry weekday afternoons at three and northern colorado's voice. One zero three point one and thirteen ten. Kfi everything you need to know about. Northern colorado is unknown codes. Weekdays at nine northern colorado's voice one zero three point one in thirteen ten. Kfi citizen's group has launched a campaign opposing proposed changes to really city charter. That would require the city to put certain water decisions to a city wide vote. It's this entire conversation contentious as it has been spins us right around now. Doesn't it six fifty three now. Northern colorado's voice one or three one thirteen ten. Kfi mornings with gail via the auto collision specialists studios right as we've talked about Well to a great extent initiatives to g and to h on this year's ballot as you to amend the cities home rule charter to require the city to put certain water transactions under engineering studies before putting them to a citywide vote. The i includes water sales exchanges sub at trades or leases of more than five years. The second covers the purchase or leasing as well as providing of any groundwater and recycled waste water now. Needless to say city officials are expressing concerns that the charter amendments would hinder the city's ability to acquire and use water resources concerns also expressed by the newly formed group. That's according to a piece out of the Greeley trip by trevor. Read the newly formed group citizens for securing greeley's charter now. A news release from the group. 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He's committee member who we will talk to on wednesday For securing greeley's charter saying that. The initiatives could put the city at a competitive disadvantage in acquiring new water supplies. Now security and securing greeley's charter campaign leader. Tom norton name. That is very familiar to you. He served four terms as the city. Mayors well he questioned the motives of save greeley waters of leadership describing them as a special interest group. Lead by two former employees who are politically motivated will check in a whiz securing greeley's charter campaign leader. Tom norton four term mayor of the city of greeley when he weighs in ride around eight thirty five closing in on six fifty seven now. Thirteen ten one zero three one. Kf k. for the latest on the broncos the nuggets in the rockies listened to the whole show weekdays noon northern colorado's voice one zero three point one in thirteen ten kfi k. headlines. 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"Expresses all new and may express you from the stretches teams in the game to confidence. Boosting suits that. Feel like sweats. Discover new arrivals at expressed shopping express dot com or in stores. Welcome to jump free agency special. We are so close. We are thirty seconds from the free agency deadline. We haven't gone to use my exciting crank that much because of course no deals before so no tampering. We are in a cove environment. We have a bunch of smoke going up in the air. So we're gonna be virtual this year but just get ready because guys in fifteen seconds. This thing is going to zach is back purred of you're still with us and don't worry popping in we are just seconds away kendrick perkins here. We go so. Let's just do this. Now yeah man zach. What do you think will be the first domino to fall. I always like when it's something that they've got the hot interest kyle lowry. I hope it's something random like when there's a random let's get kelly olympic in their first domino's big one looks like it's going to be kyle lowry and i'm checking. My phone tweet. Tweets are coming in accounting to ball. We'll wait and see how this all plays out. Of course you mentioned lonzo. He's a restricted free agent. So any offer another team offer sheet that they sign him to the Pelicans will again have that chance to batch. And of course if another team does give him an offer she will you explain. Please for me That it holds up the pelicans money right until they decide whether they're going to detach elegance can hold up in this case. It's being reported that it's the bulls that have offered lonzo ball as expected. That was the expected outcome. The bulls lovelock's reporting. We're just talking about possibilities here. Since he's one of the. I think he's the most high profile restricted free agent correct. Yes and appel realistically that might change teams. Maybe the pelicans can. Now hold up the bulls cap space. The bulls just had the contracts tomas and thaddeus young guaranteed so they may be operating over the cap. this may be a signing trade. If in need it's happening so we're going to have to see all of that okay. Well we'll wait and see on that. But of course. Kyle lowry as you mentioned perk. We've been hearing these rumors of kyle lowry. Miami wants to join jimmy butler wants to join bam at a bio. Why do you think he is even though he is on the other side of what most people consider a prime in the in the nba. Why do you think perk. Oh sorry. I've got producer hillary in my ear saying we are going to be talking about lonzo ball. So let's go to the crank bo. I won't ask you more more about kyle lowry in a second. But let's talk about lonzo ball signed and traded worked out that deal with the pelicans a four year deal. What do you think of that. Domino falling and how it will affect everything else but especially the chicago bulls. Were you know what i love about chicago by chicago. I think lonzo ball. He needed he needed to be somewhere where he was going to have the ball in his hands and be able to make plays for others thought playing with the pelicans he was always going to be under the shadows of zaire on brandon. Ingram you with Like boost switch checkup pick that. Go pop becca. Roll to the basket. Now he has the keys. He's a big god. His side has improve. We already know what type of defend the is. And now we get to see lonzo ball break loose and show us the flashes of being that show stop for like his little brother is doing down there with the Down in charlotte as with the memo is doing so. I actually loved this movie. What do you think ramona paul. I'm curious just wanted. We're all like look at the full. Look look all day. I've been hearing. this could expand. It's not it could be a sign and trade directly with new orleans but this could also turn into a three way With charlotte and demonte gram going to new orleans. So let's see where this end up and get the details on this because flicked lonzo ball. They're really good player. He improved history. Point shooting this year. He builds a great market for himself. And i think we've all been watching this point guard market kyle. Lowry is at the top of this market. Lonzo ball's probably number two if we're looking at available players here The now you start getting into okay what does this mean for my conley. What does this mean for chris. Paul what does this mean for dentistry for spencer. Dinwiddie all the way on down the line so once once dominoes you can see where the market is for the others perk. We expect as we've just said kyle lowry. It's trending toward miami. Of course we don't know for sure yet. We hopefully hear something about that in the next few minutes but if lonzo ball is off to chicago where do you see the pelicans filling in that point guard role. Even if zion is more of a point center at times as upcoming season like we saw last season they still need a pg. Who do you think of the guy's available they might wanna bring in. Guy is shoot the ball rachel from the three point. Line guy that could also that you could play with the second unit who could create for himself and go get a bucket and guess who they might be reggie jackson. They call them hot sauce. Down key could definitely be hot cells down in new orleans catfish in crawfish to fade baby. So i will keep our reggie jackson. Actually you know signing with the pelicans. It wouldn't be a bad fit. The clippers have talked about holding onto him. But that is very intriguing. We also have news artistic man reporting that. Oh yeah here we go. The crank sorry directs time. He's in my ear. Rank yeah delighted to announce it or four years. Seventy two billion dollars back to dallas. According to our tim mcmahon. I guess we do the crank to for re-signing right. Why not we're going to do the crank as much as possible today. What do you think of them. Making that move considering they were looking at a lot of space if they decided not to go with him but he plays a welfare them this season he played really well and i think they have very limited space left. This actually gives them a little bit because his salary is going to be lower than his capital which is gigantic. But look tim. Hardaway was a really good player for them. I think indicates that plan a whenever that wasn't. I think it was probably kyle. Lowry fell through. And this is a nice a nice back. They picked up only calley stein's options so they don't have much flexibility. They will be interested to see what they do with it. Because i think they are rightfully operating a team. That thinks why not us. We have a top five or six player in the nba. Grief pushed the clippers to the brink two years in a row. We feel like we can contend for the championship immediately. So it'll be interesting to see what little wiggle room may have left. But i'd like to see. I think it's fair value for tomorrow who i think i had on my six year bell. Lester might not them ramona. But the roster has shown. They didn't get past the clippers those two years. So don't they need to make some tweaks here luca to keep getting. I can try to get creative here. and i i'm with you. I don't know why. I'm a free agent unless you're not getting the deal that you necessarily thought you were going to get. Let's say you're going in free interesting. You thought you're to fifteen eighteen million and the markets not there because it's a strange market this year. Go play with dodger tree here. Mike goodness he's gonna be in shots he's gonna build those stats so i think the mavs are still an attractive destination but there's as act explained when they this they have cap space. But it's it's it's a little complicated not that much. There are other ways they have to do sign and trades and things at this point certainly looked like when they traded josh richardson weekend. They were trying to free up some room. Perk we heard about dallas in the kyle lowry sweepstakes and by the way they could still be in those sweepstakes. We haven't heard for sure kyle. Lowry is going. What do you think dallas is. Future is perk. though if say with tim hardaway re-sign they can make some little little tweaks around the edges but that lay are largely the team that we saw last season. Just think about this. Two years ago i i strongly believe that it both zinc is doesn't get hurt at the mavs would beat the clippers right. You look at luke zingers in the bubble. When the way that they perform they both was averaging thirty points tonight and they were playing terrific basketball together again. Another voice a different voice in the locker room with jason kidd now you could feature porzingas even more than we have to remember posing with the new york knicks. He was getting sets ryan for him. He was actually featured in the offense last year. We didn't see that as much. We saw him doing. A lot of standing around the three point line. He wasn't getting the of touches on the posts area. He wasn't comfortable now. Jake here and rachel. We heard him on the jump. Talk about it. we'll go here. He said that. Luca zegers perfect match. And he's gonna find a way to make your work one is that he's going to have to sit his junk superstar down and have to tell them that. Hey look we're going to have to use for zingers. Look you're going to have the ball sixty percent of the time. But i can't have you have the ball. Eighty percent of the time at passing it with four seconds left on the shot clock and telling your teammates to shoot the ball. It's just how can it just can't work their way. And i think the mavs knowing the great position. I love this sign about tim hardaway junior. He played well for them last season and definitely says something to other players around the league and on their own team. You reward the guys who play well for you. That is important. In the way that players of your franchise. It's an interesting problem to have of like. How do you build around luca. So many teams would love to have a lucas. So many teams would love to amazon williamson. And we've got our merck spirit will be back on the show in a little bit filling out the pelicans picture right now talking about former lsu star garrett temple going back in a deal with chicago going to louisiana so as we talk about the pelicans perk who do you think and what do you think needs to happen with them. Because the fact that they didn't even make the plan tournament this year seemed just so below expectations. How do you think they can improve around. Zion williamson. Maybe it's just on the court with coaching. I think you know they waited too late in the season to actually put zaire williamson at that point at that point four position. I thought once of stabbed van gundy made that adjustment installed lindsey be more free forest pushing a rock because these underrated facilitator. And i think you gotta find a way to make him a brandon ingram coexists. Because they're the future of this. Pelicans organization brandon. Ingram we already know is young superstar young star in the making. I'm not gonna call him a superstar just yet. Zaire williamson is box office. So would that duo right. There is not hard to fill in the gaps. You just have to get those guys and put him in position to be successful and also you have to bring in a coach like willie green dates going to speak their language a young coast as well respected of coastal has won championships with the golden state warriors as a system. That knows what it takes to get them to this point. He just left the finals being on the monty williams and with the phoenix suns. So now you bring that voice because it's a new generation and these and these young men are different than back. In the day you have to be able to relate to them to get the best either young zach. What do you think is we talk about this. Jack levin move. I meant sorry. Zach levine chicago on the brain. Lonzo ball move over to join. Zach levine in chicago and then that hole that leaves with the pelicans where you on all of this especially with lonzo going chicago. I really loved the fit of lonzo in chicago. We know what lonzo is now. And it's not a traditional half core point guard. He's sort of an off ball guard in the half court in a transition. Hit ahead guide. That's gonna fit well with levin. Can you imagine those guys hooking up their experiences and and and by the way lonzo is hit thirty eight percent of his threes. the last two seasons. He's a catch and shoot guy in the half court. Xactly being can still run. Allow the offense nicole of which which can post up and kick it out to him. I think it's a great guy was far as new orleans. Look we're going to see where they go. Free agency is seven minutes old. They gave up to draft when they moved down in the drafting gave up another draft. Pick to up this money for kyle. Lowry didn't get kyle lowry now. They reportedly have maybe tomas garrett temple according to marc spears. That's not good enough and they're if they're on the clock was i on. I'm going to be very interested to see how they wrap up the rest of free agency. Some more breaking news so Again an fair we go. Virtual this year's cova educatable the smoke in the air. So there we go all right. This is also a re-signing but our age emerging tweeting their free agent. Jared allen has signed a five year one hundred million dollars in the cleveland cavaliers. Welfare trade worked out. Well that's a lot of money remote. What is your reaction there. I mean they have. I don't know kevin love still on that team They just drafted evan mobely. It's a lot of money for charity but happy for him. Happy for them. that's great. I know the raptors had some thoughts of maybe getting a non down but this is To me it's like like that's a lot of money for him and we go back to the trade with the with james harden and all that that it worked out. Well can we just second workout one hundred million dollars but it their way to james harden. We'll take down gastric. Let's we'll help you out and take your and yeah. It's a lot of money there. You see right there. Five years one hundred. Yeah it for for a player type. That is not sexy that is going to have trouble in in some ups. We saw that with the bear. But it's the right time to give this player a lot of money first of all. It's five years the caps gonna start going up again once if we ever get through this plague and and that amount of money for legit starting center is not gonna look at all the the. It's a good deal for jared. He's a good player and look mobely shared out. These are things when you're in the state of the cavs are in new. Figure that out. Waiter if you have to make a move down the line you make moved online. Fair value for jared allen. Who's going to become a solid two-way center in the nba. How long how much longer is kevin love on that team. I mean that's that's up to two different things. See not long not long at all when you. I don't know how long kevin love is going to be on the team. And also know how long larry nance junior is gonna be on the same when you look at signing by by By the cavs. I mean this is. This is a good deal for starting center. Would that goes to show me is that they have plans on Evan mobely plan more of the four position which she's capable of playing because these debt versatile. So you know i don i think kevin love is you know. They're probably working on something to get him. Out of cleveland right now and larry nassar. Junior have hasn't really turned out to be what they expected them to be. And also he's not making a ton of money like he's not on a big salary. So i can actually see them getting off of his salary and giving it to these young guys and putting the keys in the hands of jared allen and if mobilized they should be very interesting we've got so much more to come on our free agencies special back with live reaction. There's gonna be a lot more signings in my. The crank is back to stick with just a few welcome back to the jump. Free agency is officially underway. And yes it's time for another round of ood in here but again that's into the air. We're trying not to move air. Particles were sitting this happy with his air particles. Right now mike. Conley has going to re-sign with the utah jazz genus key. Three year deal worth seventy two and a half million and perk. I don't want to cheat him out of that. half million. that's a half a million dollars. That's going to be on his plate. What do you think about the jazz per keeping mike onboard here. I think they had no choice to be honest when you look at the market but you look at his production as well last season right. This is a guy that was hesitant and then go to utah at first. And then i they struggled to make your work and all of a sudden last year i thought he did a tremendous job of coming in playing this role playing alongside donovan mitchell and he just had a bad look by getting hurt but i think this is a good deal for the utah jazz bringing now back they sit. They basically tell them that they're going to run it back and try to hope that they stay healthy because the utah jazz healthy still dangerous team in the league and in the western conference. This isn't no choice or perc said at first of all let's call it like. It is all star. Mike conley means to replace him. He was fantastic last year when he was healthy. His injury toward the end of the season in the playoffs was a big big deal to them. He did pair well with donovan mitchell. They had to bring them back. They had no choice now. The interesting thing is. I don't have my laptop and free. I'm stressed out my laptop down. I think they're like twelve or thirteen million over the projected tax. No few other there may be some other moves for them to make you. Because i don't know if they want to pay that much maybe they do. I don't know ramona. Look we know how close the jazz have come in the last play offs. How close they felt that they were and they still feel especially donovan. Mitchell are contender in the west. People aren't giving them enough credit. Going into this next season. You know. And i i think when you look at the jazz overall look how much of a jump they made from the year before this year just by staying together just by learned just by saying okay. We're running back with another year under our belt and we're just going to be better and last year. I think you can reasonably look at the way. They finish against the clippers and say they got hurt in that series and i There are things that they can do and they probably should do to to improve that team eventually but it doesn't all have to be right now and there is something to be said for stability and running it back. Yeah absolutely now. Of course the judge not the only team wheeling and dealing right now. It's time for the crank again. Sarah intervals loan deals so far. We've got some new ones on this list. Kelly olympic is going to detroit. The pistons has a three year. Deal with him. We'll barton heading back to denver and the knicks are bringing back both alec burks and nerlens. Noel zach when you look through those lead list of those deals where do you think is going to be the biggest impact for which team well. We'll barton is the biggest impact just because denver is that good. I thought the going short on the years was smart for denver. I want to give a shout out to the pistons who i think kelly alinghi. They got clowned last year. For signing all these centers right and then they golf loaded getting kelly clinic as a stretch. Five when you've got killian hayes and cade cunningham you just want to say you know what let's give these guys some space. Let's unclog elaine mason. Plumlee goodbye give these young guard's a little bit more of an open floor to work with a little bit more of an open space to attack. I think that's really smart. And by kelly olympic was lights out for the houston rockets after they got him and now the rockets have zero players. Only draft picks to show for the james harden trade all of depot olympic. All on houston and outs all picks. What do you think Do you think when you look at this deal. Who do you think is the biggest lie on this list. Love i love with the knicks did by commend to knowle's no will and now the birth. When you look we we had a lot of talking about you. Know julius round go and dares rose and rj bear. But when you look at alex bergen what he was doing. He was making timely shots. When it mattered the most a lot last season for the new york knicks. In a crunch time he was the to go. That was going to work in making those book. When there was a position by possession game alongside d rose. And when you look at noda's no no ill in the impact that he had when you look at his defensive numbers they were right up there with the best of them for senators right on the rudy. Gobert flaws his numbers his impact the way he protected the rim protected the basket defensive rebounding his finishing in the paint being alive third the basket. So i think pilsen both of those guys in for the new york. Knicks was a hell of a job by the front office in the organization and for for a game for the second year in a row. We're saying that. The new york knicks finally doing the right thing to do the right thing exactly remote early years on those deals. Well that's what i was going to ask you about. Okay so go to notice the years on those next deals whenever you whenever you see short-term deals and they're both the same There's usually a reason for that. Three years right there birch no well. I'm i'm expecting the next to bring back. Derrick rose We'll see if it's two or three years should happen fairly shortly but what happens in three years back what happens in three years. Essentially ceo players are going to be available. Then now i think three years converse look. There's an organizational philosophy that the knicks have had the last couple of years. Which is we are not going to go. Spend max contracts. I'm not max players. We're not going to panic because we're not getting stars we're going to keep. We're going to keep our options. We're going to keep our cap sheet in good shape so that they are ready with short-term context that can be traded or cap space one star becomes available in a couple of years until i think you just look at the look at the years when the next day those deals couple years ago remember. They didn't get kevin durant. would they get julius randle. Bobby portis short term short term deals for guys that ended up working out well and in certain cases to stay in new york and other cases by reporters obviously in milwaukee but they just continue to position themselves to say. We're going to spend the money on a max player when we can really get star and it's interesting. The reason why joel embiid name has been associated with the next not because in any way he is asked to philadelphia but because leon rose was his agent. And we have seen. Leon rose has done for former client. Derrick rose in new york former client for more client. Tom in new york. And obviously as you said the have to look at who's circling there and now that the knicks are building the right way as we've been talking about on this show for the past year or so. We expect them to make more of those smart deals coming up. We got so much more on our free agency special to news after miami. Not the kyle. Lowry drop yet. But jimmy butler might get some more cash coming his way. Some free agent chris. Paul news as well stick with us expresses all new and may do express you from stretches teams in the game to confidence. Boosting suits that. Feel like sweats. Discover new arrivals at express shopping express dot com or in stores. Welcome back friends bark spears popping in with us as well. Let's play a little. What happens now brian. Windhorst reporting that. Jimmy butler is nearing a four year. One hundred eighty four million dollar extension with the heat. Zak with butler alongside. Maybe larry is coming there. Maybe duncan robinson heads back. What do you think is next for the heat if we see this play out the way we expected to do in the next twenty four hours. Well jimmy butler thirty. One years old dislo taken into his mid thirties and almost his late thirties. This clear message. We're just going all in right now. We're going to keep figuring it out as we go. I think the heater putting together a really good team for next year. Is it as good as a brooklyn. Milwaukee maybe not probably not and. I think there's more dominoes to fall. Because as i said before the biggest ripple effect if the kyle reports prove true is who is playing power forward from miami next year. Who is the fifth guy in that closing five lineup. Because it's a damn good. I four and then you have tyler here off the bench or maybe ends up. Starting i don't know they're one player away from being really really interesting. Remember how jae crowder rounded out their team two years ago when they made the finals in the bubble they'd never quite found a replacement for him before that there are playing bam kelly linnet together that always like a little bit of a placeholder that's second quote unquote big next to bam whether it was milo's lender all that they've just never quite figured that out except for crowder and if they can figure that out somehow that teams a problem. I think jimmy's really happy one. He's got enough money to make his coffee business face. Coffey steeple off mark ripping people twenty books a cup. By the way you supposed to charge with the market provides and you were mark. And i were in the bubble coffee. You should sold out of your wine fridge. That's all different conversation. But you were saying about the heat. They're committing to jimmy the committed to jimmy butler and getting lowry. Lowery end jim your friends and usa. Basketball teammates erica. I don't think that kyle gets enough credit for his role in the raptors winning a championship. And and i expect him to. Have we talk statues earlier. He should have won in toronto as well is. It's sad to see him gone there. Go there but this is not a done deal yet. I know we all assume kyle is going to miami. That's certainly the way it's been trending over the past few days but we bigger. We've had bigger surprises in three agency. So i just wanna just want to say that this is what's likely but if it is that's the nasty back court on me two guys together. they're going to bring the best out of their team that come to fight every night you got to super leaders Cow fits into that miami grind at miami mentality. They're going to be a fight and team. And i think a championship contending team as well. I'm not saying there's no shock. Yeah the whole idea. This is for them to have if you can put up After we see this video. I don't know if you can put the charges i know with kyle lowry. That's gonna be part of it and i. Well that's kind of perk. I wanted to ask you right. You always talk about the goons from dade county and with the as we talk about what happens now for the heat. Dogs perk love okay. This is why he's the guy to ask look at taking the most charges. The last five seasons. This isn't just recent. This is the man puts his body on the line. What do you think the toughness. Perk is going to be this miami team. Especially if kyle does join and jimmy lockdown down for years now to come what do you think it is going to be like for teams who come into that. Arena in miami is going to be hard. His aol rachel and lou. We ought to say that if they get called larry right. It might be the best defensive team in the nba. If you look at the point guard position along with jimmy butler along with bam would bow brings to the table. And look i heard zach lowe talking about a boy's gonna play that position look not no no is not a bad thing. I'm actually giving you credit. You actually the way there. Bam is starting to stress to the way zag. Don't be nervous. Don't get away with that much credit. Let's listen listen. Listen to wait at the way. That bam sean stress to floor. We already know that he had a fifteen foot to seventeen foot jump shot. If ekos stressed the floor start knocking down threes. Which he's capable of doing then you. You can move presses right to the five position and look at that defensive lineup. We saw precious mic kevin durant and the moon when they played against each other team. Usa anc nigeria alone with low air exposure. Coaching this team and having his team locked in defensively. And now you. If they have a chance to breathe back dunkin robinson. It's going to be dangerous for a lot of teams that gonna be a threat in the eastern call and gonna be partying miami today before the game perk. The miami advantage. Same with la what happened. I know nothing about that. Don't nothing about the whole approach. Never never never will keep an eye on that. But marc spears as we see going across the top of screen there. We've got all of our breaking news. We just saw you have some breaking news regarding chris. Paul still a free agent member declined that option yesterday. But what else is happening with him. Chris is you know how to variety injuries turn playoffs And he had left Surgery little left wrist surgery recently After the nba finals. He's going to be fine. Sons fans are. If chris go somewhere else is going to be ready for training camp but boy chris certainly had has his body's been beat up. He's had left wrist right. Hand shoulder injury cova all in the playoffs on the last two months. Somebody needs a rest right now. It's him and he'll be okay. he'll be ready. he's on it. It is interesting because there were a couple of years there where there is a little bit of a knock on chris paul especially as he finished up in houston a hamstring away. Jesus turning into being someone who's injury prone and we looked at all the injuries throughout his career. Maybe he goes to oklahoma city and people think that his career just peers out but he changed his training program. He adopted the vegan diet. He's actually been one of the healthier stars in the nba. Over the last two seasons he has not been injury-prone at all when you look at him compared to other players but he did get beat up during the playoffs and that's partly the style of play he has and the size he is. Do you expect him to be fine with this surgery. Once he comes back and this marquez will be ready for training camp. Do you think that there will be any follow up there. We need to think about the says. There's confidence he's going to be ready for training camp and that's that's irreparable injury. That's how long term injury but look postseason. Injuries are apart of chris. Paul story and it looked like it was going to be an even bigger part of christmas story this year when all those maladies that mark mentioned hit any soldier through and they got within two wins of title. Now at some point age is going to take even more of a toll. I do think they have to be careful if indeed he goes back to phoenix which i expect to be careful with as minutes to just make sure he's on the right load before you get to may and they wanna play june. We'll see but i would expect to go back to phoenix out. Expected to be the point guard at least one more year. He's he's slowing down. Second team all nba this year. I believe right. Yeah he's still chris. Paul perk right. Rachel rachel was was even. Hillary said you'd be hitting a what you call your thing over there right now. They're looking at you perk. I'm not looking at my phone. But perk is absolutely right. Are we ready director kathy because oh yes it is so do we lost. We have some news. Let me read off my phone. Adrian murkowski reporting three year deal and aside and train. Kyle lowry going to miami here. We go what do you guys think. Now that we've been talking about it it's real now and it's funny. You said that you think there's still a player away. My experience and i lived down in south florida for awhile and covered. This miami heat team is parallel. Done they have when they show up for their first game at the end of october is not the team. They're going to have necessarily out after the trade deadline. So so where do you think the start gives them. And especially kyle who. I know you've covered quite a bit getting this new start with this new team after so much time in toronto first of all statue in toronto should be of him. Taking charge is the first ever statue taking charge. We'll see what the terms are when we get him here. Assuming i'm guessing gordon dragging should maybe precious that you are going out. If that's the case the heat have about twenty million or so below the hard kathy can still offer the mid level exception. I think that's the tool where they get that power. Forward kyle lowry as a three point. Shooting point guard high volume high accuracy. Any kind of pleased that bob and weave game. He doesn't need the fall when he has it. He gets off of it fast. That is a perfect fit with jimmy butler and bam by two guys who operate in that mid range area really. Well they're gonna be tough nasty. The perp point guard for this team. That said he's thirty six. I think dropped off a little bit last year for the first time. Let's chalk that up maybe to tampa kovic season raptors disruption. All that. i'm really excited about to stephen. How they fill it. I think it's a good move and domino effects in new orleans and elsewhere are going to hurt some teams and park. I do wanna get to you on this from kyle. Lowry side from the players. Side zach mentioned his time in tampa got a little bit more gulf in than he expected or would get regular season in toronto. Apparently leg side of being in florida but for this point later in his career per you aged in the nba. What is it like as a player tries to still be a big part of a championship contending team as they are in the second half of their decade in the thirties. We'll reach as extremely hard. But you have to realize i was a guy that ate everything in my sight on why i didn't take care of muscle guys was not in not should've been 'cause i probably would have still been in mba today but that's need to hand. I'm enjoying my career win. And mark as glow your john but lou when you think about the miami heat coach right when you look at everybody everybody on their team that team and what. They are in great shape. Carl larry has come back. Look at different next season. You know they have mandatory Wait years mandatory body. Fats you have to reach a certain level. Certain percentage as as a as a player in order even play and be on the floor. You get finding things to that nature. This is why. I say larry is going to be difficult larry. He's gonna come into this organization. Jimmy butler now could just focus on getting buckets. Bam is going to get easy looks. I'm excited about this miami team. I'm telling you people look that's not downplay this situation. This is a huge deal in the eastern conference a hillsdale and by the way not the only happy person. Thanks to the miami heat tweeting. The dunkin robinson has agreed to a five year ninety million dollar contract to stay with the heat the largest ever for an underground if player so first of all shout to him and by the way we definitely on draft night the other day in a couple of the undrafted guys going out on social telling the younger guys. Hey don't worry if you don't get drafted the way you want tonight you can still be a big deal in this league and doug robinson is a ninety million big deal in this league mark. What do you think of that. Bitter hope cruise industry gets back and shaved. He have shooters a lot of them. Which is certainly very important in this league. They're going to put up big numbers from three point. Range be amongst best league and you know the way cow goes to the posting kicks out. I know dumping robinson is going to be excited about that. Hero jimmy downplaying heat team to that. We're not thinking about where we haven't been talking about that quite as much. We've been talking about fit players but you do have such a high q team. They're players there who know how to make the right play. Who aren't looking to make a fuss over something because they wanna have the big night who are really scrapping. And do it'll be honest and call each other out happen. Good passing everywhere. Look we're on live. Tv do any research. This is got to be the least likely big money contract in the history of the nba. This dude was drafted was playing at williams college and then couldn't get anywhere coming out of high. School is about to be ninety million dollars. He deserves it by the way shooting. Gets you paid. And he's not just a shooter. He's a capital as shooter high volume high efficiency on the movies. Become a better passer. I think this contract is at the high end of what he wanted to do. But i think somebody else would have come in with an offer sheet around this level and put miami up against a barrel so congrats with duncan robinson in the heat are going to be all in again next year And it really is remarkable to see when we look at outweigh. Got the right. I'm sorry i'm going to interrupt my sense. Because chris ball official re-signing with the phoenix. Four years one hundred twenty million dollars perk. I want you to go back in time with me please. When he signed the deal that he opted out of yesterday everybody kept saying man that last year that player option on that last year forty million dollars a year for chris paul. No one's going to want to pay him that at thirty six years old. Well guess what he showed everybody the value. He can have at this age powering team to the nba finals and now four years. Twenty million dollars with phoenix. They're going to be paying him a lot of money for quite a while. Perk what do you think that says. Remember chris paul. The president the players association. What messages that to the rest of the guys is they. Look at the kind of money that might be available for them as they advanced through their careers would it. One thing is is to make sure that you stay in the gym and work on your craft and tried to be all star caliber player. Because you're going to get paid right. But when you look at chris paul and you look at what he's done and you look at the commitment on both the as to the phoenix suns is telling me a right is telling me guess chris. Paul deserve is payday and he wanted his money but it also is telling me this lateness korea that he believed in this suns organization which is which is a tremendous deal. He believing david booker. He believe in the aden he believe in his organization to make multiple runs. And so signed. A new deal was a huge thing for the phoenix is because now they got there captain back to have their floor general back. They have their leader back. So i think it's above win is both part is one in this situation for us chris. Paul inside bet. And i think it basically ends his career. Well we'd never know. Yeah let me stop but that salary thirty million dollars roof. He's in a comfortable place and and perhaps he's changed uniform so much over the last couple of years. Now he's not now lay where it's family is but no got. Pj he could get la. They could see him and does not mean pajamas. He means private jets continue. I'm happy for them. Because you know. When he got traded to oklahoma city he could have been a jerk. He could have just said would it and went to the end of his career and he had a positive attitude from the moment he went there and i remember him telling me. I just wanna play basketball. I still get the get paid playing basketball. And i think that helped him get to this day. So that shows you man just make the best out of your situation even tough times and at some point. You can't get rewarded like this. He deserved to four. Years is a huge deal because at one point you just thought well. Maybe he'd opt in get one more year and then they're only be the one year where paul booker eytan extension eligible now ridges extension now all all their deals overlapped for one year. Now it could be three and those guys eytan us gonna wanna max coming off what he did in the playoffs. Mikhail bridges is going to have a huge market if he ever gets the open market. Those guys are going to and should earn lots of money. The sons are going to have to pay the tax if they want those four guys together for multiple years. Is robert sober up for that. That hasn't been as history but we'll see you know that's a that's a here's it helps their tax situation this year because he goes from forty four thirty but the long term financial ramifications of big but look at the finals the finals yes you pay for winning teams i think they have their work cut out for him to do to get next year but again why not. Who's the overwhelming favourite in the west. Maybe people would say the lakers. Now i think two sons can look at it and say. Hey maybe we got some breaks this year. Some guys on other teams got hurt. We had chris. Paul get hurt goto with anybody. Our guys again better. Our three of those four guys are just mission or young and getting better. We can go toe to toe. And by the way let's give credit by the way for making up absolutely and of course you have to think that if they're going to make this kind of commitment to someone who is thirty-six. They're gonna make financial commitment to their younger players. So to your point that hasn't been as history but he has a championship caliber team. We saw that too wins away from winning the championship. And he is shelling out the money right now. I think owners when they do that. They deserve credit for that. Shut off for james jones for taking an opportunity to get paid off He made the trade. If things went bad this year chris could have just walked away and went somewhere else. He gambled with a friend somebody. He got to know the players association and worked so kudos to jam at a year. Who is it looking for. Much credit. Absolutely monty williams one of the classiest goes. We know getting his floor general back. This is so exciting. We got so much coming up for the rest of our free agency show. The deals are coming in kyle lowry. Of course still the biggest story but what happens now for the maps they were going for allow ray. They bring back tim hardaway junior. We will discuss the latest in dallas as they continue to try to build around. Luca stick with us do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com. Let's get back to the news of the day. Here's kyle lowry tweet. From moments ago appear to be excited to be going to the heat congrats to him one team. Let's excited about seeing this tweet. Was the dallas mavericks somewhat. Still a little bit of what happens now. I am rejoined onset by matt barnes. Mark speir still with us. Zach lowe still with us andrew with us and i wanna talk about. The mavericks reportedly agreeing with tim. Hardaway junior on a four year. Seventy four million dollar deal matt. That means they've only got some limited space to work around the edges. Retooling that roster around luca danni. What do you think is next for them with the roster that they have and bringing tim back matt. I like the move i mean. He was a vital Player for this team year down the stretch and in the playoffs so definitely a great You know resign. But they need to make some moves them here and obviously they're going to offer the five-year max deluca after the olympics. They're going to have to get some more parts in there. I don't think The the kp experiment win as well as planned partly because he can never stay healthy long enough to really see what those two can do together. But it'll be interesting to see the moves they can make because they know they're kinda on the clock a lot of unhappiness in the front office in this off season Lucas coming off the olympics. You're gonna wanna make him happy so we'll see what they ended up building a gorgeous hopes to join the dallas mavericks But what. I was told from people close to the situation. It's complicated very very complicated and trying to make that happen. Obviously got to slovenians. Wanna join back. Close the colleague on our left. Here because zach lowe just looked up with his phone in his hand and said i've got some news ranking croquet say mid crank a clothes source close. Ah situation doug mcdermott to the spurs three years. Forty two million dollars impact. That is go ahead. One of the best shooters on the market again. We just saw doug robinson get paid for shooting really good on the move cutting off the ball at great chemistry with domain laws for the pacers and You know the spurs have a ton of capital. And he's still a lot more flexibility them all their outgoing free agents. Like the rosen gay mills but this is the spurs taking a shot on a guy that we got a bunch of slashers attackers. And let's get one of the shooters in the league absolutely by the way. Don't that is uncalled for. Just sued pupa dollars. Can you can you continue your thought about the poop. Where do you think the mavericks go next year. We of course have seen jason kidd. Come in as the new coach and he said that he thinks zingers and lucas can play very well together. We've talked on this show about the blazers situation. And how chauncey has that fresh eyes and fresh blood may change a little bit about the way they play even if their roster doesn't change that much what do you think about the mavericks going forward. Well tim mcmahon has reported that re-signing hardaway that was something that was very important to this mavericks organization. So they went out. They did that now. Look for them to potentially go and sign another one to two maybe under the radar potentially type guy. But you're looking at a team when i'm looking at the makeup of it now. It looks like they're largely going to be bringing back team that lost to the clippers but one potential silver lining of all that could be we know that teams learn from those sorts of experiences so even if the roster ends up looking some early potentially some new blood in the coaching staff a little bit of new experiences that could yield a different outcome for a team that we know wants to go farther in these playoffs. I want to get to. What's going on with the bulls. And the pelicans as well guys and met. I know that you left by the way matt who is a multi hyphen it. Multi talent he was on our said earlier left to go do an entire podcast episode that he hosted and now his back. And since you've been gone and kelly clarkson said some action is happened world for morning. The pelicans are sending lonzo ball to the bulls via sign trade. That's a four year. Eighty five million dollar deal that could include. Thomas of randy could include garrett temple. Marcus reported going back to his louisiana. Roots there what do you think of that deal and what happens now on the pelicans side of things I think lonzo. It was the best movie. Could've made getting out of la shaky definitely found his footing in new orleans. And you see the potential. We've all spoken about. I said i've always been alonzo fan and said within the next two three four years he'll be an all star so he's got a new home now interesting to see what chicago is going to do. With zach levine. But really happy for him and this is a big city big stage. Expect him to do his thing. Okay well then we get over to the pelicans side of the pelicans are missing him there. I mean you know the coaching situation. I didn't think that was a good last year. They got my former teammate. Willie green out there coaching now. So expect him to really have a grasp on that unit. But it'll be interesting to see how the you know. Van gundy wanted to put zion more of a point forward roll who's gonna emerges the actual ball handed team is yet to be seen ferry interesting. What do you make of that. Zak about life about lonzo looking at his phone. Doug mcdermott news is ahead mr louisiana. Please spotted here this earlier this morning. That actually would have an outside shot of drivers. I know they have a point. Guard in zion But if things don't work out with drug is to dallas. Keep an eye on new orleans which is probably a little bit of surprise. Okay well i mean look. Here's the thing about a. Can i apologize. I'm sorry this on the other way. Now give him given the other hidden with this new orleans new something though that they got something and i don't know what their fallback plan is going to be but they've got more work to do today. They certainly could. I liked the point. Centerpoint pointing what are we calling point. Four ion mollica. I liked the points. Zion experiment because i think regardless of whether they stick with it or they they really rely on it next season it added a little more dimension to his game right good to show especially a young player. The possibilities are open. You can do pretty much anything you want on this more young man. You are that talented but now that lonzo is gone. What do you see a head for the pelicans. Melinda why see stepping up for for bi and for zion the sirens outside outside of my apartment. I don't think it's that serious. Go either but right. Now it's it's proving zion right that this is a place that he wants to stay and wants to continue to grow so they're going to need to continue to kind of put those pieces around who they think is going to be best to help him with his birth. But that's what all of this is about for them is what is going to want. Long-term how can we keep him. Wanting to be in new orleans wanting him to grow more liens wanting him to continue to play in new orleans and and he told me that he liked playing that point. Four point center point diane everything type of role. Just diane what reinvention of zion type of role and so continuing to put him in that position where he gets to test out and try out and grow his game. That's going to be the task for the pelicans. And it's a big one to to keep a star like that to be growing but also wanting to to win do more all that that's going to be on. The docket for them can ask maximum man. You play point forward before. I know there's been all this fascination with zion. Run a point but is that realistic. No i think the ability for him to be able to do that is amazing. You obviously never wanna take that kind of creativity from a player. But they're going to need a real point guard to run that team. Yeah well we'll watch free agency still has more time to go. We've got an hour left of this show so everyone stick with us legal. We will see you later coming up. We've got a jump ball. Who is more likely to return to the finals. The sons of the books. Get your opinion ready during the commercial. We'll see these guys said after this additional news on the low reveal chime in. It's a three year. Agreement will be for approximately ninety million to join the heat. The signing trade with toronto. Still waiting of course to see which players are going back the other way. But we've got time on the jump. Free agency special warren. Our five friends. Dave ramona have rejoined matt. And i here in la. So let's play a rousing game of jump ball. I up more likely to return to the finals. Sons or bucks now before is act left the stage. He said this would be very easy. What do you say the bucks like they. Let's give them some respect brooklyn's out there and they gotta go through them. I know miami's building a really good team down there right now. But let's let's give some respect to the defending champs. That's not a knock on the suns but the lakers will be back. The warriors are going to be back from the western conference top road. I'm gonna go sons out of deference to the brooklyn nets. Okay brooklyn if healthy to me should win the championship. Even should be shouldn't even be much of a like competition in eastern conference along the road in the playoffs. If they write. The defending champs are just doormats. If all those three guys are swept or anything like that. I'm just saying i believe in. Look what they did without hard on one leg and without kyrie irving kevin durant is proving once again. He's baby the best player in the world right now. So that just out of respect for brooklyn. I go the sun's respectfully. I don't see either of them going back. Oh but if had to choose one. I would say milwaukee minus the nets. Obviously but i think the western conference is getting back into frame. Said the golden state warriors are coming back. The lakers are tooling up. You still got phoenix utah. So i would say matt one team on the entire league that you think will make the finals next year. Wouldn't it be brooklyn. It would be. You had to pick freeman. I really don't see. Like i said i think they. They had lightning in the bottle. De i i. I think actually lightning on both sides of wiping obviously andrews or part but lightning bottle of the way that lineup for both in to make it but i just don't i think we all just kind of like miami made their run to the finals of very unexpected. And then you saw what happened the following year. So i don't really see phoenix as much as i love chris and what they're doing over there. I don't really see making a return. Well first of all let me talk about teams in. The last can not sleep on denver because denver before jamal in three to me could've been the favourite going into these western conference playoffs. They have the mvp raining mvp. I just think that they are also a factor. When you're thinking who might come out and i've also been saying hey are the nets a dynasty hiding in plain sight because of their injuries right but that is always going to be the question with three guys who at different times have been somewhat injury prone now having three of them is supposed to be the insurance that you need and as we saw david new pointed out was kevin durant foot like a half a billion size sixteen rather than seventeen. He says he actually wears one took comfortable. Maybe next season keep with the real size. I wanna get next jump. Although more likely stay with their current team. This season not today not this week but the entire season. Ben simmons or damian lillard. Matt what you got dame although i'd like to see him get out and get some where you can win. I think the writing is on the wall in philly. And you know doc rivers ending press conference kind of said some going vitas slid some stuff in there here and there so i definitely see been some on the move. Ooh yeah. I'm gonna say the same thing i think dave stays in portland To start the season and maybe finished the season ben to me. Initially i thought they were going to try to bring him back and take their time with this but it feels like he's gone from and and it goes both ways. I have to ask our philly guy here The native y-. Yeah i just. I don't know if you trade ben simmons right now. I understand the idea of wanting to get into training camp with the you're going to have and chemistry and all that stuff but isn't his value going to be higher midseason. It's a it's a fair. Point rachel i think the moment would have been draft night or leading up to the draft but i i had to make a three for three because the way joel embiid spoke about ben simmons after game seven against that. That's you don't that doesn't happen And to me if there was something salvageable that wouldn't have occurred. Okay so he's got there. It's an oil and water fit. They they got pretty far even despite having that but one guy occupies the paint. The other guy can't the outside. You gotta pick one. And i think would dave describe. Sometimes there's stuff that said that you can't go back on you know not that. Did the joel took direct dish. Shot or would dock did was but they're both borderline for a young player who to me his whole psychological. When you hear your head. Coaching in the other star on your team. Kind of have the same sentiment about who you are as a player and where they can't go with you. I think it's only a matter of time. They've been kind of has to get out of there now and look i. I have seen it work to some degree in the regular season which shooting around them. So it's not like i just. I cannot believe camp work. That we're can't i would love to see him say i. I'm a big fan of ben. Simmons like i said. I think it's more psychological than anything and i think he's a good fit. There's just you know he's had some bad times again. Those those those teams had a few years ago with jj and they surrounded with all the. That was a really scary team. You know three bounces away from going to the finals. I mean so. I think if you surround been was shooting but like i said there's has been some things that are said that i don't know if it's going to be able to. Here's i know what was say and there are things you can't come back from but also what what are they supposed to say like the question was. When did you lose the game. And it was okay. Well when and passed a dunk because he was afraid to shoot the free throws like i guess he could have said well. We wasn't one play You know i. I don't know what they're supposed to say though like it's a hard one and on some level it's going to have to come from ben to like people have been nice about him not being able to shoot from outside but also the free throws like it. You're right it is psychological but on some level it has to come from the guy got to fix the problem right but the two men were showing on the screen right now. The front office of the sixers. I think it has put them in a bit of a bad spot here. Because ben simmons value has not been lower than it is right now on a long time. This performance in the playoffs certainly lowered ben simmons value. What joel embiid said afterward lowers the value because there is more of a feeling of like oh my god we gotta get him out of here before training camp and this is a guy who could still be in major piece unemployment rate. Offensively is incredible in the open court. He is some of the some of the best instincts that we've seen in the league but in the nba playoffs. It's not open court basketball and there's severe deficiencies and the best sixers team. That you mentioned that would jimmy butler on it. They took the ball out of ben's hands playing the dunker spot so he has some stuff to work. I'm not saying he can't. He's what twenty four years old but right now when joel embiid has health history that he does and he is reaching his keith. Right now window is now. Yes absolutely and we do expect that deal to happen. Stephen was here earlier. He was trying to make dame lillard deal happen for his. We're going to hold off on that. Let the people of portland speak. Let the blazers speak if chauncey billips shot and we'll see if dame comes back there for this season as expected we're going to talk. A little bit of lakers are next man. I got a former laker. I got two people who are pled on the lakers. So stick with us. We will be right back. 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Well first they have to keep their own guys and their own guys are crusoe taylor and tucker and schreuder. I don't know that they're going to do that. The it gets very expensive to keep all of your own guys. Then there's also the issue of the fit within a shooter else crusoes i. I don't even want to say this. I know we're in los angeles and people are going to get upset. Like i mean if you're a laker fan looks like you need to prepare yourself to lose house crusoe. He has speaking. Laker fans are lebron james. Because he's very attached out. Screw so you look at some point. There's a number right and reminds me a little of went. Derek fisher got paid when matt. But you know what i'm talking like he. He essentially he had a great run. People loved him and then somebody threw a lot of money at him. And at some point there gets to be A number that you don't cross where the lakers have to say. Okay can we. Can we go ten twelve thirteen. Fourteen million for outgrew these offers at the full mid level. Which is what my understanding is the lakers can trump any offer they can. He's their own free agent. They can pay whatever they want and they probably should do something because you lose him you lose them for nothing and you still have to fill out that roster. So let's see what happens if he leaves outright if they work out some kind of site trade But right now it's not good. I guess what they. They paid guys who were part of the championship in contagious. Whole world pope and and they had salary slots that allowed them to go after russell westbrook and so there's a added benefit to paying your own guys because if you have any reason need maneuverability moving forward to go after someone who suddenly ends up on the market. It allows you to do so. But it's a tough one For alex in particular because he is indebted to the lakers organization he recognizes. He came up with this team. But if you look at their roster depth. Ideally he's like six or seven best player. The lakers still have some more work to do before getting drilled down to making the offer for this exhibit layer. The way offers are going around the league. It might not be sticking around for that long from another team. Another team might say. Hey alex. here's the deal. It's on the table for sixty minutes. Give us an answer. It's gone the now the lakers. Hey i got this liquor. Say we're not ready deal with that yet. Great and it could come down to just something like that timing issue. Also if you're trying to work out assignment trade. That other team has to be interested in that. Why did they want to help the lakers right. And not only help the lakers but give up some assets. Great if you're having a sign and trade. We were just seeing this now as we work out the details of the kyle lowry trade and that starts to get reported. You're giving stuff up and sometimes you're giving up because you wanna make salary fit but if you don't have to sometimes you weasley miss late. The sign and trade with car lowered came so at the trade deadline kyle. Lowry was a lot of teams. Want to kyle. Lowry philly wanted lake and metairie decided to hold on to him. Because he didn't get the deal. He was looking for the lakers. Didn't put taylor horton tucker in the deal Miami wouldn't put pressure to in the deal at the time or dunkin robinson. The there were there. Were reasons why they you know there was nothing that incentivize toronto to trade him at that point calculation was essentially. You know any of these teams that want to sign him as a free agent need the raptors to do it. They don't have the cow space to make thirty million dollar offer and so they need us. So why don't we just wait until they need us and we can get something for him and they're going to get a good young player. Purchase a good name. Claire gordon touch good. Good player now. The details of that are still being worked out. So let's see who actually ends up in the steel and whether it expands to three team but when you have a free that's you you can. You can get something for him. You don't want to lose them for nothing when you have understood freeze and so dennis shooter. Unrestricted free agent. Alice crusoe unrestricted free agent. But the lakers can still get something for both of those players if the other team wants knew that or do that by the way. I appreciate that you called. Goren dragic young. I i meet when you're on a team that is strapped. The way the lakers are in terms of they can only make moves if they can make when you lose a guy who is a little bit seen as a heart and soul guy like alex caruso what does it the roster but then again you got russell westbrook coming in talk about a heart and soul guy on every team. He's been on. Yeah that's i mean. That's a tough swallow. He's a fan favorite out here several endorsements. He's really capitalized on being los angeles lakers. He he has the hearts of these fans. But one thing i will say i wanna say maybe. The last three years the lakers front office has proved a lot of us wrong. Had maybe two three four guys under contract normally at this point sometimes one point is just to and they've always seemed to build it before we doubted that front office until they showed us. They've they've definitely showed us so. I still have faith. We really don't know what they're gonna do. And what their options really are. Because they're not too many but it's always a safe security blink. Didn't know that you have lebron. James anthony davis and now russell westbrook markelle solar contract right now. So it'll be interesting to see what they do. I have confidence that they're going to figure some out of may not be any shocking staggered moves. But they're going to build a field that route and one name to watch rachel as we go forward here. they're gonna look obviously. You're looking at veteran. Minimum guys guys. Were sanford batman. What howard dwight howard. Let him go. I want get to perkier guys. So so perk. The big name coming in in the trade deadline was andre drummond. They promised him a starting lineup. Spot what do you think. His future is the lakers. What he wanted to be perk i. I don't think he fits well with the lakers to be on. But i think andre drummond has value around the lead. And i'm glad you brought him up because the two names that i was looking at on that list for us with the latest being able to resign and players bayonne was drama. Dennis shoulder right. Maybe you could work out a sign and trade deal to get those guys out of the and bring back some pieces that could fit around the bra. Russ and anthony davis. I just don't see andre. Germany fit and alongside anthony davis. It just didn't look good with With lebron either. And we all know that didn't show is not a guy that's gonna wanna come off the bench and be behind russell westbrook. He believes that he's a starting point guard in his league. Were the we believe it or not. He believes that. And you look at a guy like wesley matt you you possibly could bring him back a vet minimum. You know what i mean. We already know how they feel about. Jared dudley right. Jared dudley is a guy does not going to be A guy gets minutes but when we talk about a guy. That's a harden sold of the team Jared dudley is their god. This is why he's on. The team guys gravitate towards him. He's glue goddess in that locker room. Absolutely and look. Jared dudley is a guy who who's with the nets and then went on to say had like to play with you. Lebron james there you go but speaking of the nets we have another guy leaving the nets jeff. Green next year has decided to go to the denver nuggets a two year deal ten million dollars the nets do still have their big three anchors reporting this next okay so given that the nets will not have jeff green anymore but they do have those other big three guys. We've mentioned just a few couple hundred million times. Kevin durant james harden kyrie irving when we are looking at what is happening with these two clubs who are discussing in this segment. Whether it's the nets or the lakers with their big three of lebron a d. and now russell westbrook kuti has the more formidable big three. You know what. I gotta give this to the los angeles lakers. I'm yours wa. Because they have. Anthony davis i think he's the deciding factor between why. Why would go with the los angeles lakers. What's got it when healthy. He dominates both ends of the floor. When you look at the brooklyn nets. we're talking about a team. That just giving you all offense and kevin durant james harden economy reserve. But when you look at the lakers right. Yes you have lebron james and yes you have russell westbrook but anthony davis is different. Anthony davis is guy. When he's on his best game that could give you forty points eighteen rebounds and he could get you five or six blocks along with four steals so his impact on the game on the defensive side of things is what it which is why. I lean more towards the los angeles lakers. I'm a laker fan and disagree with you. I'm leaning more towards the brooklyn nets won because of age and then too because they're three stars. Shoot the ball shoot the ball with great accuracy and normally james harden is is very durable. You know so his injury this year. Hopefully hopefully he'll be back to normal stuff in. And but you all that most of the time you can cari kevin durant kevin durant. He's proven who he is time and time again but this team is a little bit younger and they can shoot the ball so when they're trying to find pieces just more pieces that i think are going to be more suitable and easier to find than the lakers need a lot. You know shooting help. Stretch this floor out and it's a little bit harder to find guys that you can find guys that can shoot but can they give you anything on that other end as far as the defensive accountability comes so there's a lot of shooters on the market. Still there you know coming in for the vet minimum but can make it on both sides. I think the brooklyn nets have a lot more firepower in their big. Three than the lakers. Do you know what the aging lakers. Victory yeah man. I'm totally with you. Because look not just all the points you made which are sailing it but they already had season to figure this out. Any redundancy there was between kyrie irving and james harden has already been figured out in the wash and now they have that to build on. That's their standard and they can only get better. Obviously the health is a factor but they are younger group and there's no glaring deficiency like russell. Westbrook brings to the table as a three point shooter. Who is erin. wait too often. From the outside the lakers we know struggle from outside last year. Twenty first league in three point percentage russell only shooting about thirty one percent in the playoffs that becomes glaring. And you don't get that with. Kevin durant kyrie irving james harden. Maybe the three best shooters together Any team in the league. Right now i i. I'm going to say the nets for now for the same reason. You just outlined dave which is essentially. They've had some time to figure this out. But i i kind of i kind of like the lakers. Big three just in the sense that i'm fascinated how this work but russell westbrook is one of the hardest workers in the game. There's great stories early in his career. Him and katie trying to beat each other at the gym in the morning. They get there so early like it was. They had to top each other and like the staffers who had to work out with them. They come on guys. It's like five in the morning. Don't take russel's parking spot. Yeah don't take amazing story. The bronze like that to you see his instagram videos. In his working out of the five six in the morning. Whatever it is. I have these visions of lebron russ and that like top gun beach volleyball scene. And they're like so competitive and it's very descriptive. I mean like there's so those two guys are so competitive and there's such worker. I think they're really going to push each other. And you know these are thirty something so the chance at a ring This'll be good for anthony. Davis i totally fire anthony on the show adapted these geysers post You know like you said russ's the heart and lebron is incredible. But i just think both those guys work ethic the ways to be a pro. You know 'cause you out here obviously in la you hear things about a d. And the way he likes to move and that's to me that's just being young and kind of understanding the landscape. You got to consummate pros lighting and to me. It's a great problem to have teather big. Yes absolutely. I gotta work this crank one more time. Yes because another deal is doing. According to gary trained junior heading back to toronto three years. Fifty four million dollars and this is interesting of course on the toronto sun. Missile jiri wheeling and dealing again and interesting worse on the portland side very very development here with portland. And what kind of team we're getting for dame and sort of where this roster shakeout it is going to be fascinating so we would be discussing the impact around the league next. Coming up. perk also sparked the internet with the little discussion on yanez versus k. d. I'm their legacy. We're gonna play around routine and delete after this meeting to. I've never seen perk. Delete out there. Oh yes the bucks or the reigning mba champs perk. You decided to try to break the internet over the weekend. You ask the question if both k. d. and janas retired right. Now whose legacy would you argue is greater so perk. You played with one of those two in the past as we take out our re tweet and delete game for you are we. You re tweeting or deleting that tweet and did you pick a side by the way did pick aside. And i'm breach weeding and pick yanni's and here's why pig on his rachel when we're talking about we're talking about. I didn't say who was the best player ryo who was the better player. Obviously there's kevin durant. I said who pulls legacy wise when you think about legacy you think about this story and you think about like basically writing a book and the chapter of this story and right now. Your story is way better than k so to me. He has a better legacy. When you look at the route that has had to take get drafted. Fifteen not planned. His first couple of years going to organization. That was bill for jabari parker there after jabbar park with the number two pick the year before janas had to wait his turn kevin durant. We already knew. Kevin durant was going to be great sense is school. We didn't know what to expect. Out of yon and when you stay with the organization and you win a championship especially organization. That hadn't won the championship and fifty years will chamberlain. I mean kareem abdul-jabbar. Last robinson it rings bales it makes me think guys like kobe bryant. They want to championships after glove along with two farmers. Mvp's it me. Think of a guy like lebron. That waits a miami but felt like he had unfinished business and had to go back to cleveland because he knew he wanted to win a ring. Because it was gonna help this legacy and by the way yon is eight year career right. His resume is longer than the holiday weekend. When you look at it to whitby peas a defensive player log with the mvp. The only two other players to do that was michael jordan in the lodge one alone will win the championship. So i'm not talking about. Who's the better player. But who has the better legacy macklowe follow along the line of holiday weekends. It's i lost. What's the question. What questions are we trying to answer the question over the weekend. Who when they both retired today today. Who has had whose legacy is more impressive. Kevin durant oriented said. I don't know what really legacy is anymore. We've twisted that word. Demean basically anything that we wanted to meet individually but to me with all due respect to pert kevin durant. We're talking about man. This is k. D. two-time finals mvp. Before his achilles terry was on pace to score. Maybe in the history of the nba with good health. He's already put up. A combination points. Rebounds and assists blocks and steals at like seven dudes in the entire history of the league. Of don i get everything perkins sane about yannis yannis. Hollywood movie jaanus is is. You can't even write a better story than that. I don't know what legacy means something different to me. I see to get the capitated while we were we. Were on perk. Are you there burke. The answer is kevin durant. It's kevin durant. I really do. We need to debate legacy. Who cares how would you make what you make mosaic zag. Listen to you know you know you're yelling at me. I gotta yell bag. Listen at the end of the name. When you think about kevin durant kevin durant was in oklahoma city. Kevin durant blew a three one lead to the golden state warriors. Kevin durant love out eight. Don't matter he left and went joy dead team. This will be forever talk about when it comes down to kevin durant legacy no matter if he's right or wrong. I'm not diminishing his championships but we would always talk about is they will always. Yes baby that they want championship. They're already established a culture. It's not like he left san antonio like why did and went to toronto where they never won a championship and deliver the chap. Zach lowe is nine day to me. I don't this is not diminishing anyone's legacy reputation standing in history. But i it's it's weird to me don't matter what the reason was katie. Left lebron left to lebron still went to miami ended. A lot of learning and lebron went to miami. Learned a lot from view. A able to win some championships. Katie went to golden state learned. A lot from those guys was able to win a championship. So to me i think because katie is the bad guy responds onto. He gets kind of a a a unfair shake but to me legacy ready wrapped in the best player not to be. It's katy play. i mean to me. He's one of the greatest players that ever touch a basketball. The most efficient score we've ever seen in coming off an achilles injury. We still never seen no one ever do. But katy's done coming off an achilles injury. So i love honest. The story has made it incredible. Like like dave said this could be a disney movie at some point because the path has been probably a little tougher. but if i'm talking about just overall legacy who you're going to talk about. Fifty year does definitely going to be. I think katie over yoenis mad man. Listen to this for a second though. I said lebron. James went back to cleveland. He had a choice to stay in miami back to cleveland because he knew that winning the championship in cleveland was going to do everything for his way his legacy and when we talk goodbye again this week of argue right now today day gun is the top tier power forward of all time and at the rate they yeah is going the right there. Janas is going not even touching his prime. He's gonna be twenty seven next year. Janas has six more years at playing at this level if he stays healthy at the rate that he's going right now. He has a strong possibility to to be to finish top. two pao. four. Of all time right behind him dunk. We'll just he has more. Mvp's did but because you can argue. And i don't disagree with anything you're saying. I think the sky's limit for you. Honest but just as you can put him in the top ten you could put katie argument the number one small ford of all time at this point. He's just k- demon position. He's over larry. Bird mean agenda. That neither of those gentlemen are done yet as we do go to break. I gotta love it when the players do break their own news right. Self-reported story from bobby portis. Oh yes he's ready to run that stuff. I think he meant stuff right stuff. That is back right back. -gratulations to him. Bobby bobby bobby is the milwaukee bucks fans. Call him seeing him. Back with that franchise up next. We'll talk about what's going on. With dhamar rosen. Who guard still out there as well more news. Just stick with us. All right the lakers have found at least one. New player was reporting trevor. Ariza heading back to the lakers on a one year deal reserved forest. Last played for the lakers in two thousand nine debut recovering the team. At that time. I believe in here you are again. You've returned trevor reasons return. I'm ramona confirming a yahoo report. That wayne ellington is also another former winning another the lakers. That's we said they needed shooting. They're getting some shooting there. You go all right. The one man though we thought might be coming to the lakers or clippers. Whose name we have not heard. Marc spears demar. Derozen what do you think happens next with him. It was told not to lakers today. But you know you wonder about teams with money like new orleans I know the clippers had some interest before. And then you know san antonio. It's not out of rama possibility that he could return. But yeah from what i was told. There's a lot of interest. But i think we're going to have to be a little bit patient on what happens with him. The lakers with only five point nine million dollars being able to offer him at that was never really scenario unless it would be a sign and trade and we don't know what happened dinner shooter but that would be the only feasible way. I could see him any up in la and so you know he'll have to find a team willing to pay him what he's worth. He's a multi all star. Maybe they go sign a trait. He said he came out this past week. He said winning winning is my most important thing doesn't mean he's given up all the money ramona but he does say of the teams that might be interested in him winning. Will who can demar to rosen. Help windu think miami. They just went and got still have their mid level. I mean there's a there's a lot of teams out there. That i think are are really good options for demar and and this is how free agency goes. There's the first deals that. Come off the board row fast and everybody looks around says okay. How much money's left and who has what and we'll see some more stuff tonight. Maybe get sure go producer. Steve says it's and mentioned. I believe ramona shelburne just a few minutes ago. Watch for dwight howard. Going back to the lakers and in fact woge reporting dwight howard is returning for a third third. Go around with the lakers. Thanks dave dave. We'll be busy for the next show. Have here the guy behind. The guy here is jared dudley. Talked about the ask. Jared dudley before jared probably had the best relationship with dwight in his time. The second stint with the lakers and that is the type of value that that deadly brings. You don't see it in the box score last year. He missed half the season with an injury but rather than get surgery and be away from the team. You wanted to wrap rehab and fulfill that role. That's why you know it's important. When you're filling out a rosser is not just the numbers and the stats. what player with their personality. And i do think. And i know you guys all agree. That with this the lakers. Don't win that last title without dwight howard. It doesn't mean you're most important person on the team. He definitely was not james lead absolutely. It was definitely several inflection points along the way where he was key to that run. We're gonna take a very quick break here. Because chris bosh is waiting. He will join us next. He has a few things to say about. Miami's monster day coming up right after this. All right here's a recap of some of the biggest moves. Thus far in the first two hours of free agency kyle lowry. The headline are going to the heat in a sign and trade jimmy butler by the way nearing a massive four year extension to stay in miami. Chris paul will make one hundred twenty million dollars over the next four years to stay in phoenix. The bulls will get lonzo ball and a sign and trade for eighty five million. Chris bosh we are welcoming you back to the show still here with perk and matt barnes and guys i just wanna tell you that we let her each block of show in between commercial breaks. We're up to segment x. In this five hour show. And i just wanted to give to the staff to the crew. Here takes an incredible amount of effort to produce a five hour television show and they have kept all of us up here looking down the whole five hours what to say about. I want to hear your reaction. I wanted to get your reaction to those. 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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 596: Jalen Green for Rookie of the Year!

GSMC Basketball Podcast

1:33:12 hr | 2 months ago

GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 596: Jalen Green for Rookie of the Year!

"Get your ears wrapped around the golden state media concepts basketball. Podcast all the scoop to know from college basketball to the nba and even march madness. Zoos of your rising stars on and off the hard work. This is the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. What's up guys how we doing. Welcome back to the gsm see basketball podcast brought to you by the she. Smc podcast network. I'm your host michael shredder. You guys for tuning into this episode on this friday. I'm recording this on thursday evening. But i'm glad you guys are taking the time to listen to this episode today and right listen some basketball content. I'm real excited to go through. All of his view guys discuss different things within basketball. One uncovered pack a lot different topics as we do every time that i talk on this program so why great south doing talk about. We got a lot of great things on the show talking about and not really first thing. We're gonna talk about is the jalen green versus cade cunningham matchup in the nba. Summer league than the second thing we're talking about is luga danni and signing a five year two hundred seven million dollar deal what that means for dallas and what that means for him going forward. Then we're also going to talk about the knicks. Summer league success with miles mcbride as well as top emmanuel quickly putting up good performances in their walk. The summer league game against the lakers. And the thing we're talking about is who's under the most pressure with the brooklyn nets this year. It was a question that i saw post on some sports networks. And i think it's a question that i'm gonna tackle little bit from from that standpoint uncovered that i think that a lot of people are probably interested in the right people who are interested in it but i think otherwise. It's going to be. Just here's the thing to talk about right. And because they have a big three. I'll be very interesting but to get started on this show. We got a lot to talk about with mba summer league the nba. Summer league has start. A bunch of games have been played. You know the draft happened on july twenty ninth. So there's been a lot of stuff that's been going on right and especially the summer league has been always a chance for these younger stars. Who are going into the nba. Chance for them to shine in a very good way to elevate their games to get themselves position to be really successful but also it gets them. Used to what the nba style is like. Is it completely going to translate over to nba success. Not necessarily always because you're playing summer league guys versus the stars of the nba game. Who all plan similarly right. So it's very different. Obviously in that in that whole round but there is that angle of it right obviously saw doug robinson success in the summer league success in the regular season right. You've looked at you guys like Tower hero right in his accent. Rookie season there. Other guys. that across the board who've had Leaving there's been guys who've had good. Mba summer leaks and have added staple through that successive it right. And there's been guys in this league who who showed out and played well right. John commingled looked really good. David mitchell's looked really good on both ends of the court. Evan mobely showed some promise in some areas right. I said like the knicks have had some guys who played well during this early especially guys like miles mcbride. He's played really well and that's might be all well and good but the important point to point out though today is the. I think highlight of the fact that right now. If you give me who. I think's gonna win rookie of the year. I think it's going to be jalen green and is that that that's basically High put down is a a hesitant predict prediction right Hesitant about is. Because i need to have more facts and more south since but based on what i've observed so far and what and what the gains of show me the way jalen green plays in the way that houston plays. I think you know being a rebuilding team with a bunch of guys who can score the ball with at least hammond kevin porter jr. next year caborn junior able to guy that's going to average twenty twenty five points a game next year. 'cause he has that capability of doing that pretty easily scored fifty points at a game last year. But that being said right. I think jalen grease rookie of the year. And that's that's not taking anything away from king county Hands have a really good. nba career. I think he's a very very good. I think he's going to be a good fit for detroit. And he's going to bring a lot excitement buzz to franchise right but jalen. Green is just simply. I think the better play and if you look at that game he was more efficient. He scored more points. His team won. He has. He has the the three things that i heard stephen smith point out. That are interesting. When he looks for guys he looks for size and athleticism perimeter shot and the wanted factor right and so if you really look at jalen green way right. we obviously look at the fact that he's a good three point shooter at forty three point shooter in the g. League is a guy that's pretty efficient around the basket. But he's a guy that could have got a better handle is a guy could take better shots in points of the game right. It could be a little bit stronger right pretty much. That's kind of how the wave look at jaylen green but silva certainly. He's she's shown what he. I think he will be in the nba guy that can fill up the scoring column. A high level is data team. Obviously yes right. The nba business right. Yes you as a team. You wanna win right winnings ultimately the biggest thing right. But you also want to generate buzz and especially. It's gonna be hard to do that. If you don't have guys who are gonna excite the you know the the fan base of the franchise and houston has not had a lot of things to be excited about it. I mean if you're just looking at the fact that you know. James harden wanted his way out. They were terrible last year. I mean even the whole thing of texans. They're not getting very good right. The astros have had their cheating scandals and stuff like that too so there hasn't been a lot of excitement houston because there's been alive disappointment especially even during the james harden era where been a lot of disappointment with there as well because in for how great he played the season he they ultimately came up short way too many times with team that could have totally won the nba championship. A few talks right. So how ultimately do i look at this right do i do i think that. Why do i say jalen. Green is a better player Well he's he's the better appears score. And i think the fact is he's a guy who has more on his back in a sense like kay cunningham can shoot the ball he can post. You want peace aggressive. He's guy can create. You know his for others as well. The big thing. I think jalen green is jalen. Green has that one factor and also the way the houston Faster pace the styles might change especially with coaching right. So kate cunningham might be better right with join cases the head coach. Dwayne casey's had success as an mba head coach in this week. But if you want that game you clearly jalen green's better player right. He's the guy that he can. He shotmaker right. He's a guy that can just take over games a little bit better level and ultimately the team at houston just blew out that the team in detroit. hands fault mass lee because kate county hand did give twenty points not game but jalen green gave you twenty five on a various fish in six of eleven from the floor. And that's kind of how he's been ready speech beginning twenty five to twenty six points and he's been just written what he's doing that is by being shotmaker. And why is that important for the nba will the nba now especially americanized basketball. Which i've talked about in length. At least on this podcast right in different episodes. I've done is get all boils down to the fact that you got to be able to create your own shun score right and static sites people that get coaches looking at you in a positive way because if you can create your own shot especially if you're a top draft pick that makes them more incentivize. I think that you could potentially become the phrase that franchise and that's a lot of pressure to put on nineteen twenty one year. Old kids rather pick eight request. You guys who are one in don's playing the g. league and ultimately that's a low pressure put on those kids right but the reason why it's a lot of pressure is because you're expecting young guys to get together and figure out how to be dominant in the nba. It's not easy but the contrary to that though is in high school lies guys now with social media all these basketball mix tape companies in your showcasing other games. There's pressure them right away. Right there on his wife and courtside films and bleacher report over time and different platforms and then on instagram. That you see videos of them all the time right so pressures knossos something. That's that's gonna affect as much because there's so much pressure all these players in high school necessarily right but how does this relate to jalen green. Why does do i think jalen green's better. Because he's been through pressure his entire life. So is kate callahan but jalen green took the unconventional route right. He job can benghazi while other guys who have gained drafted the g. league night right. They start their own team. The g. week play the g. league this past year instead of going to couch and was ultimately a bad decision on their part. Some people have said yes right because you're not getting the structure of college right. You're not on the national spotlight as much right. You're kind of hurting your stock. Which to be is that is a very ridiculous statement to make because as you can tell the way. John campaign has been playing the incident sorry in the nba summer league and the way jalen green has been playing the g. League clearly has its development benefits. Now i have a guy who likes to see get players go to college playing college but you can't fault the guy they think it's that best decision to make that decision right because you never know the guy store right but the big thing is you see the development of playing its pros as a benefit right and some guys. You see that right out of college kate. Cottingham still shows that. He's a fantastic player because he had to carry lead eighteen at oklahoma state to be a successful team very difficult basketball conference in the big twelve right so there is different components of that and college. Basketball has its benefits while while playing overseas play in the g. league has its benefits right looking lamelo ball. He didn't go to college. He played overseas in Great rookie year. But you look at dot's for example we played overseas with real madrid. He played for many years overseas and had lost success right it. It really depends on how the player is right. Some guys can play pro's pro for many years and come here not play very well right in some guys college and make an immediate impact. I mean look at what david mitchell. For example is doing the sacramento kings right in there several eighteen ways dominate on both ends of the floor and making a real impact. That team really excites that franchise right. Because you know he could be a guy who would start or he could be a guy comes off the bench and provides good minutes for you based on the way. He's been playing so far in the summer league. So the way i look at jaylen greens the fact that you can tell planning. Its pros has really got his game more mature. It's fine tuned his skills. It's gotten him confident and now he does what he is right. He knows his shotmaker rhinos. Guy to score right honestly. It means a better player than kate cottingham. While at this point he is. Because i think that he has more of that that takeover the game type of skills not mentality. You can definitely tell kate cunningham once but the way jalen greg is make shots in the type of shots. Takes and athleticism is speed. He's a little bit harder to guard based on what i want but k. cunningham. I think he's going to be a very good player. Because what k- cunningham does he plays pace right. He's got ability score in the mid post guy ability to score in the low post. You can get to the basket right. He understands the game really well. He has a very high bass. Kim and while jalen grease has ability to have a good feel for the game and understand where he could be affected as a score. What kadish ability to do is understand how to get his team to be successful right. Jalen green does for his team to be successful. He's gonna have to be able to jimmy great score right and that's the different mentality. Bakoyannis necessarily have to do that at oklahoma state. He had to do that in the nba. You know maybe he does to where we're with the is around and right like is like bay who good rookie year in. Jeremy grant obviously had a great season in detroit but detroit's not predictably very good. Neither is houston right. So are we sit here and fault these guys for playing well maybe certain games or severally games. No of course not right. Because they're young kids who are still developing the nba. Right around my age. I mean i'm i'm twenty one. I mean think about like playing a nineteen year old and you're playing in the nba spotlight. That's not easy to do right. It's not easy to but you know it is a credit though the g. league ascents right. Why certain guys go. That path is like they have the ability to play pro and get ready for the nba draft but now obviously with the whole name image whiteness thing. That's get incentivize more people the play college basketball. Because you're gonna get billed the people that you know. It's a lot of times it comes down to pay right. That's what people think but in that's gonna incentivize for that reason of course but it's showing the difference between like how guys can function in different situations right jalen greenwich showing that he you know that the g. league really developed and fine tuned to skills looking from a professional standpoint right while kate cayenne standpoint playing college really help fine tune his skills and just different they have different games and one's a little bit more explosive score once more of article see the four donald game that type of play right in. They're both fantastic right. So that that's the thing that be Understands they both are fantastic and k county has had a slower transition than jalen greenhouse Jalen greens has been pure dominant so far the several leak. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be super dominant the mba based. I think he will be because his skills translate very well right lonzo ball nibbles very dominant. That suddenly you didn't have very good rookie year. I think it was primarily because of his aggressive Aggressive this on the lakers. I think the fact that he's the pressure to just being in l. a. And stuff. Like that and i think also spent that he couldn't really shoot. I think that you know he. He didn't know his role yet. And now look at lonzo ball he he's a he's good point guard in the nba. That has very high value on playoff In or mba contending team right so you have to find your role in find. What makes you good right. I think for jalen green. At least he hasn't yet he. He knows what he is writing. Certes cade ham but cake. Sega's slower time. I think adjusting right to the nba game. But i don't think jalen is much because of just the differences. They played in terms of where they actually were able to play this past season. And this is not saying the g. league is better than college Showing the difference maybe in the level plant right. It's why some people advocate the g. league so much right but it does not necessarily mean. It doesn't mean though that this game was not anymore exciting. You don't think this guys could be the top prospects because you see what jalen suggs has done right. Jalen slogs playing collagen. It looks fantastic right. So it's very different. Job can make it. Looks very good. Right he played the g. league so like i don't think it really matters. Ultimately rises matters like how the players skills translate over to the nba. Game and right as of this moment. I say jailing drian has a better transition turns of his skill set than a guy like cutting right kellyanne has more versatility but in terms of pure takeover the game type ability jail. Green has that overpaid slightly. And it's because his his ability to create a shot is is very high level. He's more explosive athlete and more explosive score and that has to contribute to that right. So that's the way. I look at right. And so what is ultimately the importance of mba summer league in terms of evaluating these two guys right well. The importance is pretty obvious. Right through gain to see what these guys potentially can bring to your franchise and that's obscene incredibly important right because you're looking at. What are these guys going to bring to you. How are they going to do it in a what exactly do they bring to your franchise in terms of helping you get to the playoffs. Helping you become relevant team again. And the thing is like i said. That's a lot of pressure to put on these young players to expect them to be that dominant coming out of the gate. Right as you can't expect that level success right away Not always right. Some sometimes the way the players are now you know. It's always expected that way but that's not always the case right. That's not always the case but ultimately there is here's the important thing to understand the and that is is that bruce seeing guys why they are to be potential all star big time players in this leak right attention right. Not saying they are going to be but they have the potential to do it ramping. Jalen green skin. The guy who's gonna average eighteen to twenty points this year. I think kate dalley hands can average between sixteen twenty points again this year. But they're going to be very different players and they're gonna add different values their team and at this point. I think jalen green will win rookie of the year. Just because i think he has a little bit more of a skill set that i think translates better to him being a better player right. And that's not saying detroit mistake drafting kane county cunningham number one because they did not right but it just. It's it's a very different way of looking at how you want your team debate right k. Probably fits well with detroit. Because they have jeremy grandma. Us their star and may kedo that tube as a guy who's like pass. I type of guy more so than a guy like jalen green but jalen green is a guy who i would honestly take because i know jalen green's been playing professional basketball. I know jalen green has won it factor. I know that both guys do i know. Jalen green has more of the tools to be effective right. He's he's unstoppable off the dribble. He can get to the basket whenever he wants. He's lethal in transition. He can shoot three. You can shoot off the dribble reichen county very good in the half court writings. Very active defensively but k. cunningham. Also the guy who's not necessarily scared me transition as much right. And i think there are multiple components to the game and ultimately right. That is something that. I take very heavily. You'll get half court. You look at defense you will get you know the ability score the game you also could transition right transitions a big part if you wanna play a fast tempo game right big part of the game. Who scares you. Yawn scares in transition right. Th rant scares in transition westbrook right Lebron obviously right guys like that. Scary and transitions. Why they're such great. Players jalen grease guy who scares me in transition right in a good way right. If i'm a coach with him he scares me transition right so that is something that is look at right ultimately when you boil those things down from this game. I would say we hesitant prediction. I would say jalen. Greens gonna win rookie of the year. But that ultimately can change based on allah fit in their systems. And i'm excited to see how this all turns out. great start. Maybe a future rivalry between those two players. Were take a quick commercial rape. But when i come back will be talking about luca. Danni is humongous muggy deal. He gathered dallas mavericks. What that means for him. And what that means. For the dallas mavericks franchise ultimately at the end of the day. See you've got shortly. Are you looking for the very best. Nfl and college football podcast. Then check out the gs mc podcast gets the latest football moving both on and off the field from the nfl draft to treats to the rumor mill to the nfl. Combines they got you covered. That's gsm podcast dot com slash football dash. Podcasts get updates. i'm college. Rivalries keen day insights and much much more. It's football talk the way you wanted this. Show eat sleep and breathe football. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Nc podcast dot com for more info. What's going on guys. Welcome back to the gmc. Basketball podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. Thank you again for tuning into the podcast. And i hope you guys are enjoying what you're hearing so far and are enjoying the content that has been presented on this podcast route time. You guys have been listening to us during this entire year and spring summer winter whenever you guys have been listening to us. I hope he has been joined the content that you've been listening to so far and i'm excited to share more content with you guys and the show is just getting start right. The first segment talked about the height up several league matchup between jalen green the number two overall pick to the houston rockets. In kay county handle the number one overall pick the detroit pistons and i talked about how the game went the differences in how the guys are in terms of their how they got the nba and how they are as players. It's a very different type of situation butts. The important thing is that both guys are great. I think it'd be great players and have shown a lot of promise right indefinitely Check out i explain. Why meals a hesitant prediction. I do explain why. I think jalen green right is on track to be the rookie of the year. Overpaid county ham the season in my opinion this segment. We're about to breakdowns. Give me about luka dods which is five year two hundred seven million dollar deal. He signed with the dallas mavericks and break that down. Just a couple minutes but also check out later. We're talking about the knicks. Summer league results. Miles mcbride lovie top emmanuel quickly headline that win for the next nexen. They're great play in my opinion and you know what that brings the next team as they head into the season also later on to. We'll be talking about. Because i heard this question posed on different sports channels in mediums. Whatever the idea of who's under the most pressure in the mets big three hundred season right a mocking to dive in and said you know these guys if they don't win or the failure but i'm scott explain like why i think certain guys team have a lot of pressure in ultimately what that means for the brooklyn that's as they head into this season in trying to be that favorite to win the nba championship. That they were supposed to be this past year before all their injuries and their say michio situations happened in the playoffs. Right so without being Kassai we're gonna talk about luca danni right now. Had the fact that he signed a five year two hundred seven billion dollar contract of the dallas mavericks. And i'll hear surprised right. I mean. I don't think i'm shocked by it. It it makes a lot sense and everyone understands how gdansk's ages right am. I being moved down to the top six player in the league. And i based off lasted but he definitely he's in that conversation I think that if you look at it in the sense of right now we have no idea what additives going to be going back right. Anthony davis one healthiest. Probably a top five or six player in the nba. But at this point in time based on everything that happened last season iron pollute don's As six best player in the nba. Right he might be top five he arguably his top five because he did carry the mavericks teens. Almost beat the clippers by Over to way standpoint. I would try to kawai staff just because what steps impact overall has been lebron. Kevin durant janas. Those guys are slade. But again i think luka has the potential to be the face of the week right. I've said multiple times. I do think he has the potential to be the face of the week right. That's a lot of pressure to put on a twenty two year old kit a guy year-old And for him though. It's probably nothing to be honest because he's been playing professional since he was fourteen years old Unbelievable as a player right and look he you know. He was dominated with real madrid in the early before we even him and he's been nothing short of fantastic ever since he's been the nba to in his way to even the olympics despite the fact that he did not play very well enough that lost to france br star of the game fantastically and then kind of faded off toward the end. The one they'll take away from it. Is that the luca. Don jr is still a great player. But it's gotta lobbying proven to do but the that he signed a huge one right and look anytime you're getting two hundred seven million dollars. I don't think i would take any one of us will take that deal right. It's on that he's going to be earning forty one point. Four million dollars on average per year right. Obviously it's it's different terms of how the contract is because they have different values each year but the other thing about is too is that you know this is a sense. A whole way of security for to keep him for a term right and for dallas fans right. Obviously they have a superstar in muga right that they wanna keep in on that team and build a championship team around him like they did with novitsky so long ago about right state oil team for what twenty one years was it and they want. Nba championship ready could probably went through a super team. One three or four championships but he didn't do that honestly one that he one is. Probably one of the greatest playoff runs in. Nba history. Right you you know. You can make arguments them crazy. But if you look at that. Ron you look at that dallas team. What they had to go through and what he accomplished. It is one of the greenwich playoff. Run thing i've ever seen so dallas booking in the sense that they they might have that way to do that again with a guy like such right. So how should we look at right. Should we look at the same way while my answer is absolutely right. I think lucas guy is going to be a future. Mvp i think he's going to be a future face a week type guy. I think he's a guy that you can win championship with. I do right despite his flaws. Which i'll get into in a in a couple minutes. I think you could win a championship within right. He's a guy that gets guys better. He can score will. He's through the first thirteen games. Those playoff career. He has his average in the most amount of points all time. So and the guys give the baby bird now shoot. Bird is not necessarily but when the when it matters in the playoffs he is and what i mean by. That is the fact that in his thirteen playoff games. Right grant against the clippers but the clippers as we saw this year are not a team to take widely. They got the western conference finals Probably would have been the nba finals champions this year. Honestly he shot His career shot thirty nine percent from three any shot. Forty one percents this year in that series right yes. It's free for percents in the play. Offs is only about sixty percent. And he's about seventy three seventy four percents Isn't right so we know what its flaws are but the thing is the reason why you can win. A championship with them is that you know he gets. He has great regular season numbers. Or he's gonna get you in the playoffs. And he's a guy that elevates is game in playoff modes. Right is that because of the fact that you know he takes it. Easy in the existing. No it's not that it's because he adjusts game really well and he's been in these these big moments before and he knows how to be a big time player. Ready is right. I mean no one's gonna at that the that series this past year against the clippers and safe lasa-zabala lost in the series. No one's gonna say that way right some people will but you can't objectively look at it that way right you. Can't i mean they got the guy. Did everything possible to win that series and they just didn't win. They lost in seven games and he had forty six. He had a game or the forty one multiple thirty point game the other another forty two point game game six on the thirty one bag game in that series when he had that whole neck issue and what right lucrative. You're going to get a guy who's gonna probably be a little too hot with the wraps a be a little bit disgruntled times a guy it's not going to get along with kristaps porzingis. Both all being said the poor thing highlight here. Is that while luca. Danni is the future of the nba with him and yannis cooper the future of the nba. Now i mean future like ten years to come Durant might be after the brand new gets older fades away might be the face of the nba. Right now might be honest though. But he luca yards are the future young stars that will take the nba right in locking him into the steel was crucial for dallas to be able to keep their superstar and build for a future where they could possibly what a championship. It's why you make moves like this. Swipe dealing right but there are gonna be. There are some flaws to look out. Luca right in his game warning need he used to improve these over a couple of seasons for him to be better and for the dallas mavericks to be a better team right. Yes i'm gonna break down. What dallas these do in order for them to become a championship type of team. But there are things luke can do as well to get themselves in position to get the dallas in position to be that team. That's going to be successful down the road right. So what ultimately looking at luca roll. The the first thing is conditioning right. I think look it can get in better shape. And how how. What evidence do i have a support in great shape well. He came into last year after the bubble not in great shape. He didn't start out. Very dallas than star very good. I look at his fourth quarter numbers in the playoffs. Didn't play great allies second halves. And why was that. Because he exerted alive energy offense and got tired the end the games and couldn't they shots now. Is that what he probably tell the media no of course not right but it's what i saw watching him play right. He condemned and especially because of the game against france. Recently right his conditioning level can be ben right. He can work on his body he can work on getting self more toned and everything and get himself into better. Shape is better shape. He's in the better off is going to be late in games and the better off dallas will be because they need him to play better second half for them to be successful right. It's just it's it's obvious right. It's obvious it's just an obvious situation right in in. That's kind of how i look at it right. It's an obvious situation because you're looking at a dallas right there team. That's a younger team. That's been around. The you know the playoff picture last two years but hasn't got over the hump and on a breakdown later. There's other reasons why for of course Bigger reasons but lucas conditioning is the first big thing i think he needs to improve on. He gets in better shape. I think that will result in better. The fourth quarter playing longer being able to produce better for longer periods of time. And helping the team win because ultimately when you're in better shape you're going to be able to last longer than guys who aren't as good shape as the obvious answer. But why coaches always stress conditioning right. So that's the way. I look at it and that's an important point. When you're looking at star players is conditioning level right. That's important right. That's why. I think james harden hurt his answering year. Because i don't think he will income and she she's an out you in good shape try. Play himself into shape in you. Know resulted was a hamstring injury which he never gets injured railway in the playoffs and real rarely ever gets injured that something that happened this year because i think conditioning level right. And that's why it's so important to be in good shape knocked the last longer and play in the fourth quarter. But it's just be available to your team writing. That's something especially just the amount of pounds that luca puts on his body so far the way he plays that. Somebody's the definitely put a greater focus on. I think for dallas to be more successful team and for him to be more successful play right. He's only twenty two at this point and he's already been deemed top five top six plan the week right so definitely a top ten player in the week right so you know he has thinks he can prove the second thing i would say is is free. I shooting rays free. Shooting obviously has not been very good right. Seventy three seventy four percent is not excellent for a guy who has Shot mechanic's a guy who shoots alive. Threes and everything like that right so he can improve that area of his game right he can. He can get better in especially in the playoffs. He shot sixty percent. Range shot sixty percents or foreigners playoff career. He needs to uptake that and get a lot better. Because he's more capable of making free throws because he has he has good shot mechanics right like he doesn't have the bad form. Something wrong with the shot or you know off balance or something like that when he shoots right so you know. He's got to be better for the free throw line because those are extra points that he's giving away. Their team helps is team. Helps them win right. You know he can potentially hard the her the mavericks he can't make his free throws late in the games right. So that's another key point. We're looking at him to free. Pushing the third thing is being bald. Dominance and way. Rick carlisle ran the offense. I don't know how jason kid's gonna run it necessarily oxy. I watch it when they're on the preseason and read more about it a little bit. But rick carla put his hands. I think a little too much and it led to luca being incredibly successful but also leads. The fact of look is play as play a lot. Better implants the navy. James arnez but the james harden phenomenon putting the ball in the hands of a guy way too much as usage rates way. Too high an relying on that guy to everything for the team on the offense event That simply is not winning basketball. Lebron has had help right. he's very dominant but he also gives the teammates. He knows how to pace himself right. So luga needs to be less ball dominant slash pace himself. Better right in. That will help playoff the ball. More cutting and posting up in gangster position right moving without the ball again. He needs to be less baldassare right. I know he's really good iso situations i know he's not level player but it's to save himself in the pace himself the offense so he can play well whenever you need him to play right. And this is the problem. With what james horan hat in houston right not being able to save his legs and gain the playoffs where you know. He had too much of a high usage rate and resulted inaugurated. Thanks for right. So being less ball dominance is going to help lucas game a lot to rights important point to bring up in. That's an important thing for him to work. The last thing i want to say is three point yes. Lucas dodds Improved a lot in three points over the last couple of years but he's only a career thirty three percent three point shooter now the playoffs. She's thirty nine percent is in it so tells ya. The guy is a good shooter and you saw the way shannon olympics. The guy could shoot the ball well right takes contesting shots to which does contribute to a lower percentage because generally contested shots Lower percentage right ultimately. He has to be better three point. Line you continue to work on that. Because he has the ability get shot anytime he wants. He continues to work on that aspect of his game. Continues to drill that in and pair that with free throw shooting. He'll be unstoppable. Already is but he'll be in a more unstoppable and is gonna be very little things that he can do Defense can do to stop. And that is isn't exciting thing. If you're dallas mavericks fan. The fact that he is this good already but can improve in the areas. I needed to improve. Aw and the last thing before jovan dallas is the last thing is he needs to control his emotions better. He's a leader of a team is younger. He's going to be with the team. He needs to control emotions. Better right you can't be getting a lot of tax revenue can't be acting disgruntled right in. Walk right everyone. Struggles is struggled out the player. People struggle with that. It's hard right to always be with your emotions right but when you're fan base your team is looking up to you and to in demanding that you leave the team. You can't be getting high tax because it just doesn't look good on your leadership ability right. I talked about this in an episode. I did a while back. The high amount of technical fouls is just not going to help us team. If he's not available to play because of suspensions that's not good that's games that they're not gonna be able to win without him there right in that say Another thing is to work but overall he's obscene. Incredible player ryan needed improves those areas. He'll be even more unstoppable so put it as a positive rather than negative and what is dallas guide to dallas has got a is. Find him a Shooters while they. They got reggie bog. Which i think is a good. He's a good defensive guy good shooter. They need to get a second star into dallas. The need to do more to surround him with allure lead star. That is not kristaps porzingis. Everyone likes to hang on kristaps porzingis. And i don't like to that guy right. Chris i think has a lot of talent. I think he's a good player. I think he he brings a lot of value to your team because of his ability to be versatile at seven three but due to injuries due the fact that his game is dramatically changed since new york. It's hard to rely on that guy not because of his health but because of the way he plays this past year he was not the same player that he was even the bubble in twenty. Twenty now Injury shirt but it is your third option. That's fine but the second option. You're not gonna win any playoff games within. This is your second option. Because his inconsistency in terms of his production i think his level of aggression does not seem like he wants to host of guys. That are a lot smaller him than in the bubbly. Did that all the time and punish people down there and with rick carlisle's offense. He just turned the When he had guys like reggie jackson. Gordon and patrick beverley mean. I'm i'm i'm like six seven six. I had a guy six to post them up right and porzingas december three right so they need more this on more cuban right in mark cuban's guy is the of basically the marketing operations. The business operations of the mavericks. He's the owner but he's also one of the more successful guys out there for all the money he's made in different kind of tax deals and everything like that shark tank. Right different charities. He's helped out with right he. He's a famous guy right but he's got put that brilliant brand his good work in make the moves necessary to get luka second star because you want to keep your sorrow happy a and you wanna get your team physicians to beat a championship team. That you once were with during the venzke in dallas right so that has to be group. Didn't understand and understood because if they don't do that don't develop the team around luca the right way with co star that's gonna be good for lucas element for this team. They are going to plateau and not be the team that they're supposed to a lukic reconsider. He wants to keep that deal or one out right. And i don't think that's gonna be situation but you don't want make that situation possible so curious to luke scientists contract. He deserves it but he in dallas still a lot more work to do in order to become that championship team that they are definitely looking to be. We'll take a commercial break here. But when i come back. We'll talk about the knicks. Several league game the day. The success successes that guys other team had seen guys in a bit tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this hour. 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Some people already had it back to college which is pretty fun. Interesting alive football team to start their season division one bass before head. Some guys back for supper practices in earth like that. We just finished up the olympics. Everything like that. And now we just Start just discussed. The a bunch of major fund topics within the nba would started with the hyped up. Matchup between jalen green in cave county ham which those guys were were the number two number one picks respectful respectfully in the nba draft this past july and they had a big time game and i in that segment. Explain that whole game what. These guys are in at representative. Their programs would differences in how they are skill wise and what you can tribute to and ultimately why i think at this point jalen green could be the rookie of the year. And why. i'm so impressed with his game at this point. But that's not the only thing i talked about the second thing i talked about with luca danni Signing his five year. Two hundred seven million dollar deal with the dallas mavericks which basically gives in their terms a security. I'm putting in air quotes to have lugo walked in the future right ultimately they probably will keep it locked in. But who knows and at this point right. You know that a good deal by talking about what luca brings to the table. What he's done already. What what he's means team but ultimately what he needs to work on for himself in the to be better than what dallas leads to do in order to make a team. That's going to be a championship type roster in a very competitive western conference. And you don't wanna miss those both those segments because i definitely give some fiery opinions and some fun analysis and bring it down from that standpoint. So you don't want to miss any of that also you don't wanna miss. Why talk about after this segment which will be which member of the brooklyn nets big. Three's under the most pressure entering the season. So a lot of stuff dobbs down pack in tackle on these next couple segments but this segment is going to talk about the new york next summer league right while you're sitting there like who cares right. Who cares about summer league. Why can't by. I care about summer league because that's what's going on right now right in especially expanding the law young talent and we also had a tina just came off basically getting their butts. Be by the hawks right or bus. whatever phrase you wanna use for it right atlanta obscene Files the next clearly lost the first round but it was embarrassing right they they just got blown off the floor in four or five games and Look way team. well that's not true. Faria the five games they got blown off the court off the court but that being said right ultimately didn't get the job done but you know there's a team that was in there. I play austin forever. Resins twenty thirteen and they're young team. They have a new head coach. And you know a player joyce randall. Who puts a very good numbers but then play very well. The playoffs in rj beards in. Play very well in the only guy who seen to play that well was derrick rose. That's that's not the important thing here. What the the important thing is is that. We have a chance to watch the guys. The knicks drafted incirlik right. The knicks obviously made some big free agency splashes with kemba walker never forgave which can help them out to be better position playoff team this upcoming season but they also have a chance certainly with guys like biles mcbride quinn grinds to see what than others well to see what these guys ultimately can do right and there's also a chance for guys like a manual quickly in ob top to Quickly played some meaningful minutes last year but will be top for example to show that he was not lost in last year yet either. He improved the line at the end of the year. That knicks fans should still have some confidence in his game and a confidence in what he can be point. So that's that's the way. I'm looking at it and it's something that i'm going to tackle here on the second. What would that being said. The next performed pretty well in summer. League in the in. The game is the lakers I was pretty impressed by i. Lights y soft. The young players now The next one ninety one to eighty two right. Which again shows okay well. The knicks have played high level defense right and it was good right. I mean the nicotine that was number. One ally defensive categories last year. They were five defensive efficiency last year. I think they were fourth defense efficiency. isn't right but the thing is that they need offense right. They were the worst offensive team in the playoffs last year. They only averaging ninety nine point nine or ninety eight points two game the playoffs so ultimately they need more offense right defensively. We all know they're going to be a pretty good team right. But that's why they got guys like walker and foreign in drafted guys like miles mcbride but ultimately it will why saw from the next summer league team is is that they have some guys who are exciting for me to watch as they progress further and what i mean by that with guys who i have more confidence in to be better now look like i said before it is summer league right suddenly does not associate means go translate over to the nbc's bright in his obvious right we looked at guys who play while League played terrible regular season in in in the playoffs and whatever the reason being is because the summer league play against the stars of the nba game right. You're playing against guys made about the answer be nba stars. It's guys generally trying to make the team or rookies or just coming in drawing. They get their feet in the nba. Game right so it's important but it's not ultimately the end all be all of the guys the successful in the nba or not right so that is one way of looking at it. Now we're gonna look at the fact that quickly and miles mcbride played really really well as well as ob top. They play great defense white. For example. Right you get the fact that not mclaughlin. Didn't you very well right. The of he was two for nine from the field. And then you look at the fact that they held the lakers two eighty two points right so they did a great job. But i was more impressed with was mild. Mcbride who shot sixty three point. Range had twenty two points and showed why people should excited about him right because you can space the court Shot as the guy that provides a lot of versatility and ability for the next season off the bench ends. He's going to be a good piece. I mean i like his length is that wasn't but the fact that he can hit threes and he's a good force base in craze on shot to big right because yes the next week good. Three points Generally but they were terrible in the posies so they need They anymore three point shooting in order to be a better team and with miles mcbride. They have a chance to do that right. He was six six from three point. Line that's big right especially in a close game in a big three down the stretch in a big in big moments in as a rookie. That's not always easy to do that right. you know. it's not always easy to go into a summer league game play wealth. But he did do that he. He played a fantastic game and he got next. Fans very exciting Excited state. But i'm definitely very excited watching the chance to watch the next and i'm very excited to see what they can do. And i'm very excited to see what these rookies can. Bring to the table right because the knicks are a younger team. They are team. That's trying to get better off their plastic sess and ultimately ultimately the next position themselves to be successful team with the But also now they they seem to have a guy who's gonna fit while thirteen miles. Mcbride a guy really space the corner guiding defend a guy who has been through bob. Huggins systems is disciplined as a player. Right guy that wants to win right. He wants to win. Sorry about that i am. I'm very excited about that. Because what this ultimately means for me is that you get to watch potential elliott other rookie successful right beside the last year the manual quickly and success that he brought at times mixed right hell get to him in a minute but maybe miles can be that other gaffe right the fact that he can shoot three and the fact that he wasn't scared of big moments and i don't always liked it because everyone likes to do that to demean these players about saying these guys are coming into. You know trying to be scared. The moment this awad It's a different environment. You get like me. I noticed that this by applying different situations basketball wise or different tourist the after a justice situation. Some guys adjust really well to win. Some guys. don't right miles. Mcbride through his crai- adjusted really. Well any any fit Fits very well. This offense regularly doesn't ask for too much at least it seems like he can hit threes. I'll take brian so As obviously a really important point to break death in and again. I'm i'm excited for because i i wanna see. The rookies of the next has some success and he was very successful night as a good thing to watch does that mean is good translate over him. Beans accessible reason in the regular season. Nuff does not mean that. I think he's going be pretty successful. Because i think he's got tools to make it happen but does again. It doesn't necessarily guarantee that he's going to be successful. Does brian but i'm excited to see what he what he can and will do. More excited about is the fact that obi shopping as you stepped up in play big when he had to. Ob top was a guy who who struggled mightily. His rookie year was very frustrating. Because he couldn't really hit threes Didn't really always know where he needs to be on. The court defensively was a bit of a liability at times but as season got on he played better he had. He had some better moments in the playoffs bedrooms for season and he showed some promise. Right everyone's really excited about what he did. The preseason within the roses in game he didn't have a whole lot confidence game. Shot wasn't going in and he just looked like a guy that may have been a bus in a bad pick by the knicks. Now is a bad player. Just the way he's playing and again when you're the eighth pick in the draft you have a lot of pressure on you from the Right in the new york market for those who don't understand me again. The most viewers from california standards in the la market but from the san francisco market and stuff like that which is still a big market. It's not the market of new york though right los angeles is pretty comparable. But it's very very difficult to sway over the new york media. If you don't come out and play well start. It is hard to do that. And it's not like i'm saying these players to care about the media thanks to them. It's just the media is going to be tougher on them because the drafted so high and you don't produce especially for the knicks. Which new yorkers still are more liable to the brooklyn nets which is still pretty in my opinion. I think it's great that it gets hilarious. Because you see drama. Excitement over the knicks winning one playoff game prison when the brooklyn nets win a playoff game. The difference right. The knicks salver like this championship in the brooklyn nets. Fans don't really seem to the they're happy but they don't seem to do right shows dedication yorker still have seen the next right but being said right. Overtopping was under of is still under a lot of pressure to succeed with the next because he's the ticket addressed and he's playing for the knicks and he was the player of the year at date right so people expect a lot and he didn't know he didn't live up to expectations. That happens but Seventeen eleven and it wasn't just the numbers. It was the way he played it was it was scoring in the post. It was hitting threes pump-faking driving to the basket. He was showing me better skills than showed me last season being trailer in the fast. Break right cutting out the basketball in getting himself in great postition being assertive and being aggressive and being decisive with his moves being competent. people think. Oh well you have the skills to me that we should be able to make it a lot. Santa comes down the since it dots right if you if you if you made that with competent. You expect that to work some lots accident. You work down your favor. Ironically enough right so important to acknowledge here is that obi top stepped up. He was active on the glass which he that wasn't a problem before but the fact that he showed that he can hit the three. He showed that he can post. It'd be efficient. You tell us working on his game right. He's trying to find ways to get more playing time. Be versatile be aggressive and helped us knicks team when he's off the bench because nothing's guaranteed obviously but he's going to be the guy that's backing up again. Julius randle for example Minutes and he needs to produce symbols that because the eighth pick in the draft. Does he have to be an all star player. Some people say yes. I would say no. He needs to be a good contributing player. He gets me around ten points a game or eight attempt to gain this year. I actually be pretty happy with the improvement by him. And so far in the game. I saw him in southern league. He saw his show major improvement posting up moving out the ball being aggressive being competent with his moves hitting threes when his opened enjoy. The ability to shop. Baked in go was key. It's very very exciting. For me is next to see that ray i i'm. I'm i'm rooting for him. I like is mentality. i like the way he plays. It's obviously incredibly exciting. And frankly it's one reason that you root for guys who needed has said. I found their way right. Looks bonus wasn't super successful right away but look forty. He nap doug robinson wasn't super successful right the nba look radio nap. Patrick beverley wasn't super successful right so i can help you top it right there in the last name. What point has manual quickly right once again showing that he can as would be a very good guard off the bench. He gave you twenty points. He was showing that floater. He had big buckets down the stretch showing billy. They'll say about him is. That guy has major major himself. If you saw some of the shots he shot games in the playoffs. In the regular season for the mix it took major conference Dead and trust me. That's not easy to do. It's not easy to do that. Because people are always looking for what can a young guy well emmanuel quickly. Briana can bring a spark to your offense off the bench. He can bring major pizzazz inflator but he's also going to bring a guy who's who's gonna bring stream copyrights and i saw more improvement in terms his playmaking ability for others. I saw better shot selection by him. And i also show guy that still has that Himself to take this big shot at the end the game. It doesn't matter who it's with was liked quickly a lot. Because he's not afraid of those big moments and that shows you guys got competence himself. He believes that he should be there for In the stuff. He believes that he truly believes that. That's a major step into being a good player. So yeah i'm impressed. With what the next show me. But they got to go These guys who just pointed out have to play with this global of aggression in confidence in the regular season as well what be good Out so that's how. I feel about where they click commercial break but i will come back talk about the other new york team. Nba the brooklyn nets in which star is under the most pressure. They're all coming backup when we return. This is your ultimate staffer. Everything sports golden state media concepts sports podcast. Should i say more from the nfl mlb. The nba mma. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen doc well welcome back everyone to the gsm gmc basketball podcast brought to you by the gsm. See podcast network. I'm your host michael shredder. Thank you guys for tuning in again to this episode of the podcast. I hope you guys are enjoying what you've listened to thus far and i hope you guys enjoyed this content from his podcast network overall. I will really enjoyed it. So thank you guys again for tuning in. I hope you guys are enjoying what you've what you've listened to like. I said and i'm excited to share some more content with you guys coming up on this segment but before we get into that we got a action packed show and that has been brought up by the fact of how the first segment talking about k. Cunningham versus jail green. Yes that's right. Kate county hammers jalen. Green the the number one two guys in the draft county. I've been wanting. Jim remain to their sarah league. Match up wide. Took away from the game. Why ultimately think jalen green could be the rookie of the year. And that is important to ops. You understand why. I think that so. If you have a chance to go check that out go back to that and check it out now. My second segment talked dodds ages major extension with the dallas mavericks. He signed five years in two hundred seven million dollars what that means for him ultimately what it means for what he's doing services improvement what he brings this team and ultimately well what dallas to do to improve this team overawe and a brita segment talked about the new york knicks summer league and the great play off guys like miles mcbride. Who will be the a rookie. This season with the new york knicks. The great play of emmanuel quickly and actually improved and very good play of lovie top in as well so break that all down and ultimately why. I think it's important even though it is just several league but this segment is something that a. i think. we'll be funding to talk it out. I don't think it's necessarily the the most important segment on the show. But i. It's something i've always. It'd be fun to talk about and discuss. I don't really look too hard into it. I don't really care that much about who's under the most pressure by these funding discuss any way because a lot of people discussing it and that is the question of well with brooklyn going a situation where they have to be musician to win. Mba championship this year and to control their own destiny. What are they going to do in terms of who's going to be how they can prepare for it. How are they going to be a musician to get there and wealth. How exactly do they not have issued devices in terms of injuries. Bad defense stuff and not topsy very important but that being said we also have the question. I've heard his which star in brooklyn is under the most pressure. Oh my gosh. All these guys pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure. And you know what we think about what we think about pressure. Well we think about a lot of people giving their opinions on a guy right. High leverage moments a lot of media coverage high level stars high pressure which means in terms of the why expectations in a lot of demand on success failure and it can make it break some people i mean. I like to a few examples right like you know. Infor- example when companies are financially unstable. At some of its right. The ceo's position where he has a low pressure on this is as companies are going to succeed or they're going to go bankrupt right. How is he going to prepare for that. And how he's going to do it in terms of turning the company around and that's really really crucial and that's obviously very very crucial. Why is that crucial well. Because frankly a lot of people really liked to critique players in while the pressure got to them. Okay maybe it maybe it has. Maybe it has but frankly frankly looking at pressure and saying these guys aren't good players. Don't ever take hard. Sue obviously come by but now ultimately why look at pressure with these players. You have a brooklyn nets team comes to mind right. You have three of the best scores in the nba. Three of some of the best players in the nba. And they didn't get done this past year. That could be done to injuries. Bad defense too. Much reliance on kevin durant role players not stepping up. There are a whole host of excuses. People wanna make it a host reasons. Explain why they didn't win. But that being said there is a important understanding to the idea of which star is under the most pressure. Kevin durant james harden or carrier and the question is. Who's the most pressure there. Well before against that. Let's think about it. Just second right. Kevin durant was the guy who basically was the healthiest rather tara. Playoff run right. He had a great playoff run. Kyri had some good moments in. James harden has some good moments. But if you're asking me who has the most pressure all three of them. It's james harden without a doubt and as probably kevin durant after that. Now why say james orange under the most pressure. Why think any sane basketball aficionado Would definitely agree with grew on this that james harden has not been very good in the playoffs right and that is important change darn has not been given the policies. He's hasn't it and that's just import. Obviously james harden has had massive playoff failures in his career. And i can point that out for you. Twenty fifteen against golden state twenty twelve in the nba filed against the miami heat. Twenty seventeen against the spurs two thousand eighteen against golden state twenty nineteen against golden state. Twenty twenty against the lakers and even this past year in game seven and even though he was injured in hobble he still did shoot a terrible percentage from three so that is important obviously and ultimately we look at a few angles right james orange guy. The reason why. There's a lot of pressure on him in the reason why there's a lot of analysis like this on him is because he's a guy that has been deemed by some to be the best score ever and he's under the most pressure because yes he's the engine against the thing going right he's the he's the facilitator he's a great score but he needs to prove that he can he can produce in the postseason. He needs to prove that for me to feel happy. You're in the situation bought with that being said who knows if he asks you will get there. Who knows if he will get there but the thing is if you wanna championship your best player has got to be great. And james harden twenty grip your best players and he's a guy who has not been successful the postseason his asthma. His numbers are worse than the posies into the season. And even though he's injured didn't stop him he could still made rich. I give james aren't enormous amount of credit for going out in those last three games when he clearly was not healthy and i might asking him like for example. Not saying oh you know. He went the shot this from the two point range. You know like. I'm expecting to a basket. But if he's open for three a shoots. Those percentages step bax. You're still expected to make a decent percentage of those. You still expect that. But whether or not he actually does that is up is up to that point right. It is it's hard to tell shor is interesting isn't it it shores interesting and to be honest with you. The one thing. I'll say about james horner is a guy who's looked at as a elite player in this week. Top ten top five player but some people's less nations. He's lived as the mvp the we buy some last year but he didn't come up and be big when he when he had the biggest moment in Nba career and. This is the reason why he needs to produce in the playoffs. doesn't regulation so that's ultimately even though i respect the way he plays in at. I think he's a great score. The problem is is that he doesn't produce That's under the most pressure he needs to produce because he's the only one out of three. It hasn't won a championship. Only one of the big three that is wing ring lewis and that has had a massive playoff failures to go along with it championship candidates to championships and brooklyn has probably by far the the first or second most talented team the nba. There is excuses for james are in this time. So he's definitely first on my list seconds kevin durant and you're probably saying they're saying what kevin durant why isn't kirin kyri is not. It's not as team. Kevin durant is in the same. Imagine i heard a great quote max. Kellerman imagined that this brought pressure. people are buying lebron. This season coming right. Kevin durant in the same conversation is lebron james a lot of times when we talk best player in the world right so it needs to be brought He has pressure on this year in a lot of it. Because he's gotta get it done. He can't lose the second round again now with that squad together. Do you think they lost the second round. Majority of them were price. Said no i would save now. I'm not so sure. I don't know i would have to say it but kevin durant pressure because it just how good he is now announcing his anything to prove but he has pressure to get done because just crazy amount of pressure on him but it ask me Readers pressure on him. Not as much pressure as there isn't hordic heart and has not gone done the playoffs in harness consistently flamed out in big moments in this postseason career. He just has he just ass. But kevin durant has pressure. Because he's the same conversation lebron james or even better than lebron james biologicals estimations and he might be the best player in the nba by lots the nations. So that's an important to point why because when you're like rate you get held to a different standard whether it's fair unfair Phrase all the time on the show fair on fair. It might be it you know. I think it's fair to be held standard. Because you're a great player and people are gonna look to critique you now you can choose not to care that personally really care for it brings hype. It brings excitement around the team that you're you're playing for for people to that way but that being said the nets have no excuses for next year and kevin durant and his team. He's gonna get to the nba finals. He's got a win because this guy is probably the best score the nba in my and he's a guy who played fantastic in the playoffs. What this past year where. He wasn't the reason that brooklyn lost but he is. He didn't play on that overtime game seven but he did play fantastic in that series. Saying you're saying that kevin durant is the reason they lost season Idiotic to think that but he has pressure on because you know what he's kevin durant and it's held to a high standard and i know some people don't like to hear that people it's unfair but it's the reality of the situation. It's how we look at a guy like kevin durant and it's outweigh judging because you know what he argued was the best player in the nba. Any any expected to win with any team meson and he's on hugh massively favored team with high amounts of talent that should and probably will win east to the box at this point and him being kevin durant. He's got to get the job done but he's not in votes. James is he's proven way for the playoffs. Even this past year than james harden has as carageens. It's gotta be a lot better. Jade thomas baragan that boston series. He was but the big moment game. Seven as milwaukee eve with hobbled answering. He couldn't very right so it'll kyrie has pressure but curry's big pressures is just to be available right his career going to be available this year. That's the real question. When it comes to him in the brooklyn that's is he gonna be available right or asked to leave. Because you're gonna explain that maybe to mental health issue these guys take care of right. Said it's not telling us anything leaving right or is he gonna be healthy this year right. That is important. So i look at all this right. James aren't get the most pressure rant number two and kyrie number three all of them have pressure because they have to produce they are probably the big three in the nba. Because you look it up. Durant spry lebron hornets Anthony davis healthier. Probably you know they can't each other out and kyrie is better than westbrook. I think right now. This point their careers. 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NBA Free Agency 2021 - Unanimous Decision #202

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NBA Free Agency 2021 - Unanimous Decision #202

"Welcome back the natives decision podcast. My name is dee palm on twitter at deep six six polish on twitter at ud podfather the entire mtr network at the npr network. You found this. Don't lose the subscribe on spotify subscribing to subscribe everywhere your podcasts for absolutely free trying to return a pipe. Bents week every year. We do one week of podcasts. As a podcast every day for five days coming out on a variety of topics. This is your official kickoff. The pit podcast. Week official retired of ud pod and do it with one of my best friends in the world. The home mike. Are you on good. I think this might be my first time on podcast week. So thank you for that. I do some shopping and shopping this year. Certain topics in grabbed me as much as they wanted to like normal attitude. Sec breakdown Wider cost breakdown but honestly with the movement our football is there another conference. That actually matters. Don't think i'll be watching them. So i'm gonna sec. Only this year going show things around and susan on one of these star wars. It's going to be a mix match this year excited the way we're doing it. I'm excited podcast week. I'm excited to talk to you about the nba. Because every year might over unders every we come back win and now. We're here to talk about the newest addition to the nba. Calendar for people. I guess it's free agency. I love what's happened here. I hate what's happened here. Because i hate the fact that we had so many games in such a short amount of time. I love that. We dumped the finals directly in the free agency. The point were stepping on football like the nba has. It's not been good for the product injuries and whatnot. But it's been good for people's attention span. Because i've seen more fengjie conversation that every possible and then the hall of fame games football. It was last thursday. I'm surprised it's insane. It's just nonstop. I mean. I thought i had a second debris the now we got some summer league games and all that to watch the are you are you in. Are you there Not yet olympics were allowed to sports consume for the last however long sadler. That's very fair. I was very light on olympics. This year Wrestling shoutout to gable see possibly nation produced. I'm not exaggerating. One of the most intense like gold medal wins. I've ever seen in like i literally was on vacation. Turn the tv on Happened to see the match. Also it was amazing. It was the best. It's fantastic So we're we're gonna do is talk about free agency by going east conference watson conference people who are in a note spot. They weren't gregory By the people in the hope spots think made a move forward and they're going to break down the ten that's right ten into that game play in game. She's me is here to stay forever. Too much money to be made too many stars to showcase before we do that. Mike dogs area. And you know. I i am the last one to believe in pick. That's why i was so sweet this year. I think what people what people need to understand is that yes. There have been some notable teams or the one that had four all stars. One sixty game was one seat in the east and got swept eastern confines. There've been some clashing moments in the late nineties hunky boy locking those teams and then even going as far as with era. We haven't had a singular star in the city on a basketball court. Since nick left and watching trae young not just emerged as a star. But someone who would arrive on your spotlight just talking saying it out loud to someone who has suffered with this team. It was the most enjoyable postseason had on a lot. That's a hawks fan. That's my most general seasonable time. I actually very strong about that. I agree i mean. I enjoyed the whole villain. Embrace that trae had from began the playoffs. It's fantastic the he did. The team just made made me wanna believe no matter what you know on paper. It looks like even the bucks a kept a gun that was. It's it's utterly fantastic to me. I think that the future is bright. Think the core around them skewed. I think the cordially better and when you look at someone like Reddish just got healthy at the last possible. Second in trae went down. You bring the squad back and say oh know We'll talk about this week. Goes into free agency talk but it's just for me is so promising that they're willing investment team. Let's see we can do because as seen around this league that window that you think's gonna be over five or six years. It's not five or six years. The warriors will talk about later. They're trying to just kind of running backs with a core of draymond steph steph curry in clinton coming off torn achilles aside from clay. Excuse me like this is wild to me because you don't keep a window. Their first one was not right. When doesn't open seven years day they recite draymond instead. We're what was where was the a a noted strategic advantage over the other teams. Do want to say this from the bottom of my soul buck. The knicks fan applied that team. That you got your back. That tom tim timoteo got the coach of the year award. Shows you just how well in deeply beloved mediocrity is in your all they wanted was competence and they got gets they got confidence got him before seen asking him in the first round by the atlanta hawks. So let's start the east saga teams. That did not get better. I'm looking at you detroit. We're going to orlando. i'm looking at you. Cleveland might be looking at you toronto. None of these scenes. I think made the moves that they made the move there discern team on the on philippine collecting collecting a assets. I'm going to build reciting. Jared how the cavs twenty games last year. I mean we expect much in the twenty games. Excuse me twenty two games and then look. Somebody's explaining what happened in toronto. Because at midseason there wasn't trade there was a trade off work they had access to colorado to get out of there they held onto it and now he's in a signing trade to miami. Why wasn't I don't get because he can add value there because my crazy ethnic question now. You're not not really sure what they're doing. I guess after the drop off after quiet left But also like siachen took a setback. This past year like it's it's been a rough year for them wasn't his name talked about in creation. Choose well it was it was. I don't know. I don't know it's gonna throw toronto. Hopefully they can play in their own country. next year. They played out of tampa bay. Famously all your this year so you know. I hope things better for them. And what talk about the home spa because i think there's one team in the east. That improves their status from outside the playoffs. Do we're taking one of these spots. And that's chicago. Bulls were following. You wanna make it. I don't think the bulls are going to be great. I think they're following that. Nick solution in for competent. They'll love us baby steps. Baby stopped they do. They haven't been counted. I think it was chosen twelve year. I you got on the phone talking about derek groups. It was at the mvp. She wasn't season but also season where they pushed the they went on abroad. And it was like a good little run. Injuries just took him out. Nagasaki you know he's grows. It's wild that we don't talk about that case it is i mean every time he's allowed it for whatever comeback how we should root for him to get a championship or whatever. That's all i can come like this. Anyway chicago bulls are trying to be back. They broaden out to russo in a blow to lakers fans hearts everywhere. I i'm sad. Man gruesome abroad posted all the crucible highlights after trade happening. Sorry to got paid us. Good for house got his money. Always celebrate the making their money. They resigned devante green. They signed tony bradley. But most importantly they trade out. Meaning to san antonio for tomorrow rosen that young in a dragon. Ration- first of all. I thought the marlboro sales are more than that. Second of all. Is the martin. Rosen worth all that like okay. So the margaret rose is a very good basketball player attacks the rim and he hit to mid wrench still stops. Look omit you're right. He's all in secondary they brought in lonzo ball which is good. I think lonzo is pretty good but that for me. That's low so we're looking at just the way the the ball's gonna move on this team as long as was on the floor in the demartin floor encyclopedia floor. Wait a second. There's no space. I mean i think i think make it work. Bought balls gotten better as you point. I'll give you. that improves. The last new orleans. I just i think that'd be competent. I think that'd be competent. I think they they might push for a playoff spot. I don't think that's out the Offering but citing they will be fun will be had by all. I can be more on that Looking at teams we might be losing that spot. Hey charlotte hornets. Whoa okay look. I enjoy watching. The younger bowl brother plays. He's amazing he's fun to watch They get rid of or who they lose Telling me brank gets gets an additional perceive brazilian. Add healthier. Gordon hayward i think this team i'm my thing this team is i think that's they're further away mateen's above But since about them all seat cracking the opening of the nets this year away from a championship playoff run. I'm saying you can't get to the second one of the first second so i'm saying platform problem. Because they were the tin spot last year and ahead of them realistically. I could see the movie up about them. The pace of the pages will talk about nets. i don't cases might fall. Pacers might fall. Did anything free agency to repair their physician. I like some bonus. But i love i think leading on service like i'm looking at this roster. It's not super rosser. I mean isn't it like sa- bonus to holidays i don't know there are i. Think all just Just justin how it is now. I don't know that. I think is interesting about the that the teams that all had chances this past year. I feel like you either. Committed like the wizards are flailing. Well not suppressing the rusty you. They got a lot of the guy gets up in the russell. Mantras herro casey spitzer did when he from brooklyn but those are all like great supporting. He's that's what i was about science like for some reason. Bradley beal team. I can't believe he's still playing. He's gotta be soft because he heard so much last year not now ravaged by covert lecture and they still make a plan like they're going to be a better It's hard to say out loud. This roster is better than last year. Because i should rally goes out so much. Mid sydney coconut breaks there was basically russell westbrook running a law and winning. I mean i do like mantras hurl. I do think Can be good. That year lakers weird. Yeah especially how the utilize them in the playoffs. But i think christmas going to have to kind of shift to this like you know. He was kinda fitting into his role with the lakers. Can't take him over back seat. I think he's gonna have to step up somewhat wizards in a maybe a good second option or something like that. Yeah it's always introduce guys who opposite supplement their games both james kinda go to new surroundings. what's what because like i like kooning's Obviously posting things are going to be as you know. I can't allow my game getting a rosy import but you have to up our game when you're playing with the james asked. Everyone would give a part of their game. He's maybe many sounds more bitter than i think you should. But i'm not here to judge anyone out in tone. I'm just saying what he said. Let's go to the story of free agency. The boston celtics they got brad. Stevens outlasted danny ainge stolz And the sad tale of one mr danger. Just those who don't know dennis shooter the gover- for the lakers last year at one point in the middle you last year he was offered us making eighteen dollars or c sixty last sixty nine. Last year was offered the over four years for eighty four dollars over twenty million dollars a year. He thought he could get more in. Turn down the contract using stricken with kovic came back for famous over nine performance playoff game. It was not as fat. You could not get the other teams in the boston. Celtics play on a one year. Five million dollars should prove show improved you in a situation where he had all the leverage because they don't have a fucking quicker. Did i capture everything that happened in the bag. Just pains me. So just for this get. I have been a sports agent. Whose fault business all. There's no i to know if his if i'm your agent and you say i want to better myself i'd say i'm right with you. Champ getting the shop get this that scene today. i don't look back seen cool. Didn't take the inside the contract. That's where i would have been by. There's there's so many variables on deciding about yourself. Why add the one of pandemic and that's just like a whole other bag were If you take your job seriously and you're all about sacrificing everything to win a championship or whatever why does wise the schatten included in that. The best ability is availability. If you have the shot you're not available so not only are you not available. You might make other people on a bill. And i'm not saying that we finish. You're not gonna be eating beans out of the camp butner fine. He's all remaining. You miss out on a twenty million dollar a year bag. My friends going to to to to go to cost to go to boston or five or a quarter of the price and none of the security and less winning objectively. I they it is then. Aids may have fucked shropshire. Beat up like the fact. That horford's back. That's not even know how. I feel about recycling big guys. They got rid of in the last three years in lasers neutered god from boston to portland to boston to portland. That's happened. it's wild and they should be better than i think they should be bad team. They have talented players. I louise pieces fit and every other young team other young team at a certain point. The team you got. I mean they're squarely in my. They're going to have to prove me wrong in the playoffs. Like square writing that finals appearance since it happened. Yeah and. I don't believe you need more people next team on the list. All talk she the pat riley just poking the bear. Why which who talk shit. I would raise your hand. Those are paying attention. Since apparently took the heat there have been very few lean years and when they've been leaning has been immediate course correction tuesday ago then seems in the nba finals. Say what you will about the bubble that tire heroes a barrage. You should trade. James harden which avenue will trayvon's say this way two years ago india. Finally this year they got works by injury. Kobe and escorted from the playoffs by the eventual. Chance in pat riley. Whitten got kyle. Lowry resigned. jimmy butler any abroad. Nba champion pj tucker. And because he's pat riley he brought back down because he culture hashtag culture if their goodwill you by niki culture. The person the heat net for negotiate. The the prison they've built is the fact that lebron haven't they can never accept anything less than this like these heat fans are gonna go insane when i like the scene. He culture or the process. I don't believe you notably the process. I know i'm not a process Luckily broadcast but yeah. This isn't this'll swat band jimmy. Sorry kyle lowry out. Their own depot is going to be healthy now today. Doug robinson back to the bench. Maybe that's where at the four. That's a that's a little team with a dunk. It in here off the bench. Markeith morris all depends i mean. They are surprisingly deep. Like i'm looking at this roster looking at in remembering the results in knowing that were. What's assume have time assuming how i really. I think they got nine hundred thousand last year before he shot it down. Yeah that's yeah. This is good. This could be very good for the. I think people have forgotten how good he was depot. Oh yeah like good old people. Really really good at this They've gotta be a top three team in the east now. I think you've got milwaukee and brooklyn above them obviously them i hate to say it as oxygen and we'll do a run because of the season gambling starts now that you can gamble legally what the in my day the media guy newer guy anyway. He released. I think you're right. i tell you before. Haven't been hawks about an hawks looking at thirty one absolute firewalls emma. Stretch sees the fifth seed. Beat the knicks beat. The sixers pushed the champs. Tally off the glass in the eastern conference finals. Which will not be forgotten by anyone. Because i refuse allow you and then always you know they did did mike. Let's run back resigned. Trae young they recited the win. A re-signed john collins partways chris darden Brunner fernando. i'm okay with both those moves. Deanne writing to be a good extra piece off the bench in the front court. The back court and i look at this rosser rosser healthy rosser. I look at what bohdan show. You could be down the stretch. Olivia klinka peloquin glass. I look at john collins nelson security. He's been resigned to the threes to be. It could be heard. Pitch the andre hunter when i tell you that. The of absence altered our playoff run in such a way that i really think if if the hunter and you don't have to destroys ankle like that i'll leave it open. I'm very bullish on the other hunters as a defender kamran the bench the williams off the bench and then obviously the newest the and this is funny because everyone said that when they crackdown on the hunting fouls thing than it's gonna affect traffic. Yup john is having the found. This little motherfucker like james harden to throws body teeth. This do people not think every single guard in the league doesn't do this. they'll be fun. They'll be yup that that floater. Oh yeah what was killing people at that like in the playoffs. The thing about the playoffs the playoffs. Inst- all you're doing is setting the team by game too you know they're sets you know their plays you know what they're calling their. You know the floaters coming. And it's so annoying because like you think you're going to block it and then it just goes over you and you turn gone by to some geeks. Three best defensive teams is this. I mean i'm so guinea because again we've not had someone to really cheer for the city. Cincinnati left and they recite. They didn't do anything stupid. Like that's for me. The bar was don't beat up the windows the window if you have a shot some big shop like don't be done we've been really good here. I love the squad. I love her demonstrate the stories of reading the playoffs where he sat trade down showed them some game said here limits. You pull up from the logan win now pause. The your teammates faces saying his dad cat. I've never had guys. I've never had more fun playing with other guys because they're not resentful of seven. Take over the game. Because he doesn't have to. It's watching the maturation this team and that young man. He's twenty two. So i'm thirty years older than it's like would within my rights to call again. I didn't i could washington do this. It's just. I can be happy to fold and i can't help but think that luca donges never another round for my own atlanta sports fan of sanity. I'm going to have the lows of expectations. This season and will be pleasantly surprised if you know play awesome villainy and you know multiple rounds and all that happens but you know last. Season's amazing really like this team on paper. Look like they're better. Let's go stay healthy please. Everyone health it's all we need Didn't change much. got a point guard. I give them this. They got a point guard. Albert trying to hate on this happened. A can't kendall walker going to be fit for coach doesn't like to call the plays kim walker is got however brought back these no score motherfuckers but our our kimball on a kemba randall. Gonna gory reynoso being big week. But he's like pretty ball dominant for his scoring. This should be this. Should only those issues also get your ass case score off ball and the answer is we don't know yet and it's a great point. I'm interested to see what the fuck iran offense i i. The one four picket role was kim joyous. Sounds good on paper. Like i say like but you said can he do that. Is that in the skill set out of this comport with the development of the young kids i house. Rj buried fit. And then there's the knicks factor. You know you just never know what you're gonna get and the one that we are going to get a whole bunch of minutes because timetable. Run your ass. No i'm and that's the thing about. The knicks had very good road last year. Although the fourteen the thing about a time two is there's no next level guys definite. There's no were turned into the playoffs. Beam like what the fuck is that. Where i live eat The brooklyn and if you're grading last season you gotta give an incomplete has hurt her now. Incomplete what would you say earlier about availability. The best ability. You gotta point there. My friends you get a. i don't. I'm not here for any of these. Claims of no woulda coulda whatever they did. But this upcoming season i very much. Look for to especially anna. Katie needs to take a few months off because the olympic that off he really wants like applaud him. But like i feel for i feel tired watching how hard he played in how much he had to care. That team to that goal is fantastic and we're talking about other teams in the west. This might be my pick to the winters. Lost the offseason. the recent. it's working there. The retain bruce brown. Talk a like. I really don't like that. That's a problem for the league. And philip patty just kind of flies under the radar. Because you know he's will san antonio for so long and see. i would say that. I just watched him. Turn the god of australia every four years. He's he's good. He's a good addition in that. Just you know what what were the criticisms of the nets last year. You know without the known the big three off the floor there kennedy not now. They've addressed that issue brought back kadian extension. I am the east. Might be close for a minute. But not because the next thing talking about the philadelphia seventy sixers then bigalow frauds They saw god. Didn't simmons on the rosser how how recording this can spend team's. Why thirteen did simmons still. Six look honestly can't think of a more disappointing like collapse in a in a in the playoffs. The simmons just like confidence completely going away as around the he was scared off the layup. I trade young dr yachts since there was rising they scored a as not why that knows you are looking. You always other dunkin the suit. You didn't see how we got there. Oh my goodness imagine like that. I mean it's just a drastic you know you compared to mentalities between him in jaanus at the free. Throw line honest like us. But i'm gonna take a he. He didn't want new agents How been is not only out. I mean i might have to pull basketball reference. But i feel threes. That's actually answer now. I think he won more deadly one championship. Six time all defense. And who've been acting incidents and i've been told and so the spill goods by these disciples that ben simmons was the second coming of. I'm not even sure what use doesn't have a jumper looking important thing. Just that's like arians occurred. Hit shit what can't hit. But that's a big part of this game. Because if i do remember when the warriors broke basketball yeah it was a matter. The fourteen run the playing the grizzlies down three one three two. Excuse me and they just stopped defending tony our offense just let them sit the court and that was in basketball is like oh shoot in. Ben simmons not meet time forever. It's not that he doesn't make him. Is that it doesn't the not taking them is. What gets me to my soul. Yeah not even try. I don't understand. I don't get it and let's talk about the team. That did it in the east. They wanted all fear. The deer bucks in six shots at brandon jennings milwaukee bucks and did it doesn't matter what they chaffetz the best in the world. They resigned the nazis. Congratulations but i really did was featured in the best way you can feature the they built a team around him in very short order addressed the easily identified and a chance to all the chair. Brooke opens chair. 'cause cham- jeff jeff fucking t- champ product. Bobby portis. who examined do yet yomas killed at chicago at one time with fest google terrifying But yeah i. I don't care i honestly with them in the way they did it. And the adjustments either due to health or because coach bud decided to make adjustments which probably health. Yeah i didn't know the acquired grayson allen from memphis ki ki moon. Sorry this is it real time. Well good for greatness oppose the west the west. here's rockets very azure. They may be very good next year because jalen greed is a very good basketball player. I didn't know jewelry was. I watched some of that. There were they might be are. I'm not prepared to put them back at. You know they're going to be fun. Wait kenny martins. Kid is on the rockets. Let's not debate. you're gonna kill bat. Just move on a i. don't want to yourself. I think this is the reason. It's important for me. Though i wanna featured taco jellies for a second didn't play college basketball g leaping last year. He's been last year playing against men who were trying to put food table trying to make the league so yes i did expect him to dominate. These guys were playing for finding out from else's money last year. Summer leagues of shock to me. Can we really to see how this feels. Like young led the league in scoring last year. You know what you don't see i'm be. This is the one if you wanna make criticism. I don't think ever seen fast. it's fine. he's nineteen. We'll figure it out. Agitate allowed exerts his best other players way deeper into that. So let's let's say kobe So i'm not gets more moves like that's the one. I think that that's one situations where you've got a rookie. That can actually change an entire section of the city and the fact that he's table. Everything with james harden quickly in that kind of seamlessly for them thunder under as she had a big fan of but This is going to be one of them there. I'll lean years yet. Don't they have like twenty picks. Be fine. I just this next year. See fans may want to get into. sec football. Get ready for this year. So that's still sounds where you're gonna be weird man Symbols player in the world. Just if you remember. Atlanta no Thorough high school in the second year is fucking mouth all their high school comes washing over you so yep lots of flashbacks. High school basketball brash. He is very their own. I'm happy that the world's view explosive currently towns angel russell. They gotta be better right. I don't his coach bench. I just the whole I don't know the thing about just like the even teams that are kind of middling treading water. You need to get better in a hurry. Because the the gaps about to grow. I look at The kings who almost the deal that went out for russ the lakers was. The bunny was the bunny. He'll do and now buddy trying to trade him tristan thompson there somehow like no like i don't i don't the thing is like you know the reasons the owners don't like this is the same office announcing they're bringing in doug christie as assistant coach. And you tell me where. A lugged ex player since the bench sits on we just trying to the people in the bill. That is news to me. And i agree with doug. Crissy's coming weapon if you're too young understand that joke ask. An uncle was very funny to answer to those. Pelicans stand man. So i was kind of like that about that Lot of noise zion camp earlier in the offseason khan died down but rumblings of him that being happy. Losing lonzo probably didn't help. Yeah 'cause yeah big word. I'm big brandon ingram I think lonzo ball. Ultra see the transaction here. I know they got a valentinas from memphis. I just i don't know what they're doing in. I think this is now designs third coach three years. They're pretty slim at the point. Guard position britney. Ingram sables like shots mart savings. Those last generation lakers lakers means. It's true San antonio i thank you really gold medal up. Yeah all you doubters fucking shit about hot at the does games that don't matter down this guy. Can you name three spurs murnau looking. Oh yes Let's see a murray. She still leonard twenty maria. So they're good guests family against white. Give me more than whites. Derek all right there you go Gets answer isn't it amazing I don't know what's going to happen here. Man feels like patty mills ever done. We're done here with it. Didn't fighting to keep patty. Patty mills feels like the last time what we had before for sure and i hope opportunity wants if you want to go to key coach. You want to stop letting stop them. Those worries steph months klay thompson. They rented back with angry dollars. Thirty seven year. Old has resigned back together. One more job except this movie. I know you're very a not a fan. I have a fan. I am a fan. I'm cheering for them. I would love for them to be great. I got these is though anything is possible when steph in clay shoot like clash can shoot. I mean not sneaking. what's i boss. I watched last season. When trayvon's pushing the jiangmen inhibiting run an office did your is what stuff was doing last season. Yes he back in almost a playoff spot symbol headley if it single handedly you tell me on. Don't count which tells me it's a faulty core. I'm saying drain manca double. I'm not gonna john that andrew wiggins james weizman. Those are the kind of the for me. I think wiggins fits them what they do more than why but honestly they had mobile bigs in bogut that very first title. I question honestly is or. Is this core. Hold up because saturday ability klay thompson not as yes i play bass on like two years and like not twenty four legitimate real two year not two seasons. It's we don't know what we're gonna get asking a lot to assume at. This squad is going to be what we all remember from the warriors. So i would pray shirts rotations there and yet if you think of these teams is getting better gus. He's gonna fall out of the playoff round. I like the grizzle i like. I really love a you. Know a playoff run. That really helps a player. Get to another level and you know. I think i was one of those people. I think he's gonna be even better this year. Don't sleep on the grizz. They brought him. Stephen adams adding more great and drive the grizz. Like some vintage That's christening addition stevia at a solid post player. Like i mean i. I can't imagine any team. He's played for has been on happy with his play. He's been pretty consistent. Great player a huge fair hand. Jamaran last year was amazing. And that was a big sage that against stephan them also brooks had like a really good player for yeah. It's that was a front that the mavericks later. But i think it's a great differentiator. Is that the rule player stepped up in a way that they could whereas in dallas looking at the sentencing of last year. This coming year. Long this a look. We'll get right now. We're in la right now. Talking lakers right now. We're talking the oldest show on turf right now. We're talking primarily. We're talking trevor. Rees return kids basement talking to if the day was back to. Dan is bro. Wait elected still the lead. We're talking dwi. L. wasn't nephews russell westbrook. The senior tour has arrived. I'm in a way i hope. Frank is on that a choir rest plan for some of these people. Because i am here for all of it. Of course. I'm georgia fed. You have to enjoy things you have. And they're not going to last judging equality on this team and then go less but the shirt for them is that they taught foresee cancel christmas and so if they can get their relatively hopefully because we bubble and of course about. What's skewed shooting stats. Anthony davis shooting and career-high bubble. Possibly because he was in a fucking bubble david justice needs to end gave me come inside someone. What's wild to me is that we did about a why they were successful beyond the apparition shooting was if i play defense rebounds. I'm probably gonna beat you. Say what you will about defects. I think medically fronton abdomen. Who position the spirit may willing the body. Maybe weeknights am i. I'm really curious to see their offer really. And then what rookie us. I think this is going to end up being miami because russell westbrook give way that one two finish raters someone who can grab some boards shooters out there. Let's rock and roll. I think miami is a benefit overstatement saying the hope i'm not saying it's a equitable It's not saying lebron shirt selling point weight and edited necker sponsor. I'm not making that comparison. I'm just saying from the design from a design perspective. Okay i see where their heads are. If i can get anthony. Dame's give me real minutes. Five specially big. If but i liked the carmelo addition cheap. I liked russell westbrook to everything could come on. Have you heard the mentioned is behind this. Whole thing with The clippers your oh hawaiian apparent. It's by ramona show. Espn quiet when he was making decisions. You gotta call muscles like hey man. I'm from la also trying to get home. I would love we look at the squire. Call him back he calls. Paul george says hey man your teenage trying to get out of there. I'd rather put with you so it's been a two year saga for ruskin home. And i think the situation where people who certain viewpoint are going to think this is going to go one way but those pay attention. This man works in all he cares about. He told him he didn't work in. Houston houston harden with anyone with chris. Paul whites with russ things easy. Love with there is a common denominator all those facts. The combinator james harden in his enabling ass gm I'm blanking on the maury. He's in philly now. Well if you want another philly thing is going. They signed. Andre drummond you. Should google dwelling beat andre drummond to not get along in so when i say that i'm mad. We idolize the nerd. Part of this are. That's because the people are lost. And i just do hard knocks the sixers if we can get that on my god that it is august thirteenth. Peop- i was. Dave lillard still trailblazer treating. You can't turn miami anymore. We're always the rumor is gonna be. Is he going affiliate forbid. I don't see why portland the portland gonna bottom out it's over. It's they made the playoffs on the strength of the fact that he's been this thought about wanting to leave and guess what if i'm chauncey billups. I wanted to leave. I need the weight of lowered. Expectations look but west. got better. the triggers They stood a lot of pat there. I'm very nervous to see what's happening there. It's a lot of questions the mavericks. They resigned luca all that really matters. Because all they really got. And you can point to sterling brown. You put to a hardware kit and that's fine. I get shit. You pointed chris up she'd be xyz. I'll tell you what he's not a piece that you can win with luca danni making that money. He's doing those things he doesn't a court he's gonna be great and continues to be great this week week super saw the playoffs. The last two years did you transaction occurred. That made you feel better about this. They signed bogart and tip. Like what those players dodges. I need more recommend with me that we're gonna win and not just somehow as many white people on the court at one time. I see mark cuban you eight slick i mean i don't really see much of different fake for the mavericks. This is a team that has not been out of the first round of the playoffs. Since two thousand ten longtime ago they got rid of carlisle. Brought in jason kidd. Jason hit who likes chauncey. Billups had a lot of their past swept under the rug. The sake of expediency in playoff for respect. Everyone's part the in the quarters can ask you hard. The nba campus back to our gang. I get it. I'm fucking like it out saying nothing about its gross margin less people involved and i invite anyone who is curious to google. The chauncey billups situation the largely about because they changed it at him during basketball games. Go google talked-about. It's worse than you think. It's worse than your. He's never entered for clippers. Remember mike with the cooler side. Koyi paul george in the world the world that they were gonna walk to a title. I said not so fast my friend. Best course aggression and what happened. What happened two years in row. Did these continue to fail to make a final. No they made issue right. I bought us. They did it to against final. Which is the furthest has never been in. The furthest straight has will ever go. Because why leonard signed a four year deal to cut back. I was convincing one. One thing. i'm convinced. Get get healthy on company. Time in have played option after that. Maybe he's a to hurt for that. So you are so if you've never heard of support. Is that running theory on july. He's so much. War hurt naked. Ls he's so hurt. The nba looked at his. Scans in okay'd him not playing games in truncated season. The league said no. You're good with that. That's how bad his knees work before you heard in the welt. I think this team probably falls out of the top eight. Real look man. The playoffs reggie jackson citing but then bringing ready jackson. Probably why shoot it up with finally dollars Yeah man says we're going to be the lack of quoted now no denver nuggets next. Stop radium vp. Obviously the greatest bachelor on the planet nickel yokich the model athletes. Who would have done real things that playoff mama live. I've been healthy watched. The play auditing. Was dan here in the twenty four year old. Come off an injury. I think he should be. I hope he's okay obviously always But the way beleaguered though the conference around him you're going to be running into Phoenix that's got not just playoff legs but confidence you'll be dealing with a legacy that we just talked about. It's going to be a monster. You talking about a very good team. That's three and most people back. it is. Yeah it's it's in his mo timbers focus on getting their band healthy which should be the other teams are foes on how paxton. Hardly give us a healthy denver. I think denver healthy probably wins the west outright really. I think they've got the most games north fleecy look. They were this year. They're the ones that he went down. They ended up playing the pilots with point guard. Who started the season on ten days. They were starting for them. It's going to be interesting. I think they're going to be obviously better. But the question is how much because the utah jazz missing squad. I think look. They're running back son. Whiteside your miles. May very i think he can if they ask him do. It can be good. They brought in rudy gay. Who know again. I can't under telling the lakers in jail. I can't do that so you know you got something to take two angles showing less love to hear called. Donald mitchell proving. He's donovan mitchell. Like i like to see. I like this. I'll jab rosser comedies. Now you're not crazy. I just not a fan of the jazz. But they're pretty good on paper on paper insiders a good coach. I cannot believe this foreign of the clippers. that's a really bad. Look really bad last seats on how. That's the only is not. Hiring is because if it motivates summer winningham expectation phoenix suns. The one the us last year. They lost six to the milwaukee bucks in the nba finals. Brought back the guy who got all the credit for the success. Slushing chris time when notice. What like every time you think could happen for such chris. Also chair wait. A second isn't about money williams who should have been coached. The year top tiptoe mediocre in new york. This man made go in the desert. You gave trophy. Detectives chain all. You see all of this team going into the final. I thought that that. I think that there were Upper injuries hurt them a lot. More like losing kaminsky against yannis hurt and you can say kaminsky. But i'm telling you that size up there And tim going down that way to know we've seen the explosiveness campaign and watching him kind of emerged in the second half Twenty seven pleasantly. Pick out twenty twenty nine but man. I know people were kind of off and it was amazing player in him more than anything. It's a young team that gained a lot of confidence and shoulder heads. High and you come into the season with a eye on their chest that experience. chris helped them navigate. Do you see him about you. Palm about their coach helping them navigate. That i said coach chris paul and listen. Do this right now. Guys devon booker is a very good player. Love watching stop with the k. Thing don't say kobe now now. Don't say donna. Mitchell book i apologize is how will twenty four. If he was toby we would know by now. also true. I watched put up ten points in game group seat so i really better. I think. I think that they and booker even with watching team usa. I think that they're going to be one of those teams that is going to be sharpened hardened and improved by on the providence of the depot. Same way about the hawks. Bring it back and keeping the Together so important. In lowering grow and allowing the mature hand of a good coach he was handling the tell. And i just wanted to point this out once again there. Four coaches in the eastern conference finals of black. Maybe we should have coaches. That sounds crazy. The people who aren't let's do our ditch. But i think that makes sense. Maybe too much sense i. I don't know mike. Thank you for taking the time. Thank you for helping you kick off podcasts. or do you have any partying words. Possibly a side that for this year's reading she likes to introduce. Oh now. I'm gonna have to think on that. I will have something. Because that is to the opportunity to pass up. But we'll have to record it in september because i potentially going to vegas gobert. Could make some actionable action on his alleged side butts. Well thank you for having me for podcast week. I hope everyone listens to all of podcast week. A lot more episodes come right. There are four more actually. 'cause you're gonna us off i'll tell you this also give me a shot. Listen to me. I was on a podcast tape. Don't lie As i episode talking to offensive line play if you think. I'm nerdy on this gas or on. Mtr stuff way to hear retire. Light before eight minutes added backs. I listen to it and i have known this person for a long time and he nerd out to level. I had not really heard before so. Yeah i have friends text me. I forgot you actually. Football's local thanks. I think some. I'll take. I'll take you back to events in stride that your show. There is no after. See you guys tomorrow. More podcast week.

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Mailbag! - Regular Season Tip-Off Edition

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

47:49 min | 10 months ago

Mailbag! - Regular Season Tip-Off Edition

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Are this this start being right around the twenty second know them pushing to start on late december to get through a seventy two game schedule rushing it to a degree a couple months after the bubble ended. How do you feel about all that they get. The right was the right decision by the nba to start the season off as quickly as they did chris. I think it was the right decision but with like obvious caveats. Ideally you would not want to restart the season when cova does at his absolute peak in the us and we're going between two and three thousand deaths a day like just with regard to the pandemic. It doesn't feel right. It didn't feel right when they did the bubble either. But you know life goes on business goes on and everybody has to try to figure out the best way to navigate through all this so like there's no good time to restart the the the first answer i guess is there is no good time to start up again no ideal time. Not until this thing is over. But you can't wait as as regards the twenty-second versus mlk day or any other options. That might have been on the table. Okay you could have bought yourself more time. You could have given more time for the lakers and heat in other teams. That may deep playoff runs to recover. You could have Tried to configure things differently. I suppose i just think that it is important to try to get something that resembles a legit season. And if it's not eighty two then okay. Seventy two still feels pretty legit. It's about where they what they played this past season. It's more than sixty six game. Lockout season from twenty eleven twelve. It's more than fifty game lockout season from ninety nine. It's the only way to do that and not have back back to backs and cram the schedule have it feel really rushed or have it all the way through next summer is to get it going now. So there's the financial reasons the five hundred million talked about that they get by starting now versus a month from now there's the length of the season and then there's just to me. What's i think the most important part is that sometime soon. Ish middle of next calendar year. The world hopefully back to normal in the nba wants to get back to normal. A normal means you have training camps. Starting late september early october and the season starting mid october and ending in late. June like that's mid to late june. That's that's the nba season. We know it's clearly what they want to get back to the whole idea of like. Oh they'll do a permanent schedule shift in the summer. But no i don't think was ever that seriously discussing the first place and it certainly i think fell on its face or the case for it did once you saw the ratings in the summer so they wanna get back to normal and they got to get this season going and play as many games as they can so that finishes at a decent time so that we came back can get back as close to possible next fall to a normal nba season. Yeah i was one of the people making the case for summer basketball before they actually played it. I still think there's probably more viability to within what was shown during the pandemic because of all the reasons that come with the pandemic. But you're right. I think that's permanently on the shelf or at least for the foreseeable future. I don't think we'll be seeing a argument for summer basketball anytime soon. Let me ask you one other question before. I get to our listener. Mailbag adam silver had his conference. Call this week. You and i are both on that call about seventy five minutes addressed a lot of different issues with the media. Anything he said that struck you especially so during that columbine you covered the basic topics he talked about. How look we're not going to jump the line for the vaccine. We understand that there are going to be positive tests along the way. We're just going to try to adapt every step of the way. I talked about the fact that marijuana testing might be gone for good certainly gone for this season. He talk a little bit about expansion. Any big takeaways. From adam silver's conference call first of all the top just could host adam in the nba four Make him available for as long as he was yesterday. It's been a really tough year for the league and for adam particular. Obviously this has been every everything about the year has been unprecedented. And everything they've had to do has been hyper scrutinized even more so than it would be a normal times and all of these decisions are made with with great risk and potential consequences. And just it's it's been tough. Go so for adams to spend as long as he did was great. These calls have often been a bit shorter. And i've been one who thought he needed to be available a little bit more some very happy to see Am kind of just. Let the conversation role yesterday. So thank you them. I don't like the the one thing. I think that got people a little titillated. Yesterday was the idea that he left the door. Open on expansion away that at least rhetorically. He hasn't in the last several years. It's always been it's on the table now. It was well you know. There's a positive like he. He left he left. And i don't know if he did it intentionally or not but he got everybody all excited about it chris. I'm not excited about it. Like we could go for an hour on this alone. And i won't but the nba should not be expanding. I want to see a team back in seattle as much as anybody. Well maybe not as much as the sonics fans but we all love seattle. We all looked going to seattle seattle's a great nba city. They deserve to have a team. They should have never lost the sonics. All that has stipulated that. There's any team on the horizon to move there. But i don't think the nba should expand chris and the and the. The rationale is simplified. Like this take take the thirty worst players in the nba because the expansion goes by expansion draft you have to protect certain number of guys and they take the third thirty worst guys and now make them on two different teams. That's what you're getting folks like. I know we think there's this limitless pool of talent and the international games never been bigger yada yada yada. There are still a lot of players in the nba and look no further than every time like the sl rankings. We only got one hundred deep right but look at. Espn rank when they rank all four hundred fifty four hundred eighty five hundred players. Whatever look at the bottom thirty and tell me you couldn't look look at everybody from four hundred through wherever tell me couldn't lose them tomorrow and not respecting those players. You know find people. You would not miss them. But that's what we're looking at. If you add two teams that's thirty more players. We already have a dilution of talent. Chris and especially in this in the super team has ebbed. But think about where we work for the last twelve years. Before the super team eric mack. Back to more of a to era if there are three stars on one team that means there are that many teams that have zero stars now two more teams in the mix so yeah you can have a lot of good solid. Nba players but if you want teams. That are interesting. And then have an identifiable franchise guy who carries them but there are two and three guys teaming up here and there. There just aren't enough to go around so you know people can start speaking about where they'd go. Mexico city nashville louisville. Wherever i'm not interested i don't wanna see thirty more players in the nba. And i just i just from a pure basketball level. I know there's a business consideration. I just don't see a chris. I don't i don't see how that benefits the league or the game. Yeah i think there are viable markets for the nba. two teams in led by seattle. I think las vegas has proven that it's a professional sports market. The success of the hockey team in the nfl at least short-term out there mexico city a you point out. I'm always intrigued by just because of the population of mexico city and certainly mexico in general. You could grow your fan base significantly by putting a team down there. They'll have my questions about who the hell would wanna play down there. I mean that's a separate story altogether but the only way you go to these markets in my opinion is if relocation becomes an option if teams like and don't be fans of these teams but you know new orleans is always kind of on the table as a potential team that could be on the move. We had met this before. I mean minnesota's up for sale though. It seems more likely than not the new owner is going to have to commit to keeping the team in the twin cities so that relocation howard is is what's is the only way these markets make any sense. I mean adding more players. They're just. I completely agree with you. There aren't thirty more. Nba level players. Out there. I mean you don't even have enough elite players to fill out rosters right now so i think deluding the product. Even more is the bad. Well think think of it this way. I think i might have made this crash on our last pot or sometime recently. Somewhere like if you combine charlotte orlando. Do you have a playoff team if you combine detroit and cleveland. Did you have a playoff team. That's what i'm saying and it's not the pick on any given time there's going to be a couple of teams that are just nowhere but that's where the talent level or that's the talent solution. We already have. You can combine any two of the teams and they're still not that good or that interesting necessarily and so and now you want to dilute it. Further i just i don't see it. I hope they never do. It was interesting to hear him for a little bit for expansion. Which we haven't heard adam silver do before. But man i with our doesn't doesn't happen for sure. Let's go to some questions from people on social media. Start with isaac benjamin. Who says now that the honest sweepstakes have fizzled. What moves can the mavs make in the next eighteen months to be a bona fide contender. Howard i think the mavericks were one of the teams that certainly were impacted by janas decision not to enter free agency next summer. That was someone that they were targeting. And i gotta admit at times. I was intrigued to say the least by the idea of the all international team down in dallas with luca porzingis and janas on that team but now the mavericks are looking at a team with two stars. One that is oft injured in the case of porzingas. What do you think there is out there for dallas to do. Yeah i mean listen first off. I'm never going to argue that. A team shouldn't get a two time. Mvp if they can but of the teams that were most connected by by the rumor mill to jaanus dallas felt like the the most forced of like lucan neons were two of the top ten top six maybe usage guys last season. They both are best with the ball in their hands. I just that that always presents a promise special when one of them jaanus doesn't shoot Very well so. I'm not sure would have been the greatest fit. It would have been intriguing and it doesn't mean that dallas shouldn't have gone for it but now these off the table listen if if we assume porzingas health and that is not a good assumption but if we could assume brazil health chris. luca plus porzingas plus carlisle's coaching squeezing the most out of everybody that he gets. Whether it's tim hardaway junior. Now josh richardson there. Or the dwight powell's or you know seth curry before they moved off of him like they just during finished with they get they get guys and they get the most out of him and if we're now in a pause in the super team era if there's no big three's that's a pretty good big to to start with this and if you get the right role guys around them. I'm not saying that you're on a par with lebron anthony davis and they're supporting cast. But i am saying you will. You'll now have a window. Luca plus a healthy porzingus plus carlisle's coaching and just salary players gives you a window. And i also thinking about it this way to chris before we get like who could they actually add. Okay look i know we should never start any discussion of lebron with someday. He might not be lebron anymore but he's turning thirty six in a week. Few days december thirtieth. Lebron i by the way howard sheriff birthday. I'll look at that. Had lebron tiger woods and chris mannix two goats and a who's who is the most famous a nagara so like lebron's whatever. His window is is certainly shorter than other stars in the league at the moment. Right so the lakers. Have you know they've got some urgency here Coin paul george. I don't know how long that's gonna last forever. Or how are how far they can go look at the other contenders around the league G go go out east. Jimmy butler is up there in years. the nets with you know obviously a lot of volatility. Acadian kyri and durant. Great right now. But we'll see. I just think that when you're a team with as young of store a guy who's already. Mvp caliber and already on ballots as luca. You've got a really nice long runway. In so i think to an extent chris we could talk about who they could add right now but i just think that. They're going to outlast. Some of these other teams that are dominating the discussion today right. We've already seen the warriors kind of come back to earth and toronto. Got their one year run. And then co i was gone like you know. Life moves pretty quickly in the nba. Like dallas could have the path open for them all depots. The next guy deepened bill. Or the guys who feel like the next likely starts to move but depot has some health concerns and washington. If they were moth bill is going to want a boatload in return. And i just don't know what the moms have the asset so i. I don't know what you think. Chris i i struggle with how they're gonna make that next move of its to try to add a third star like an established star if they don't have a lot in terms of trade so it almost has to be free agency and they will have thirty four million or so in room next summer. Yeah i never saw them as one of the more intriguing trade partners because of what you said. They've got a great player in luke they'll never trade. They've got a strong secondary guy in porzingus. And after that. I mean you go down the list. I love bobby. But you're not getting a lot for him in return and it's just not a lot of high level guys on that roster. Just acquired josh. Richardson during finish. Smith is okay. I mean these are tomorrow as are are decent role players but nobody teams are salivating over in the trade. There's only so much draft capital. You can throw in to make up the difference. I'm with you. I mean look if if a janas wanted to sign their or if another level guy wanted to sign their course you go and try to get him but the path on is pretty good. I mean i guess it comes down to like what do we think. Porzingas is moving. Forward like is always going to be injury. Prone is always going to be a guy that you wonder how many games you gonna get out of him. Because if he's not injured. I thought they found something last year with him at center like i thought that made a lot of sets took them some time to kind of figure out where to place in he kind of shifted between spots but i thought porzingas as a five is downright dangerous. I mean a three point shooting big man. We're in the era of three point shooting centers now but like this guy takes another level. He's like off the dribble three point shooting at the five position. So i like the idea of these guys grow organically. They're they're all in their early to mid twenty s or both say their early to mid twenties. I say you don't rush it. Don't go out there and make a big deal just to try to get to the second round or even the conference finals this year. Wait and see what's available use your cap space judiciously and and build that way. It's not the it's kind of a punt of an answer it away because we're not giving you names but it's also not the worst idea but but they also do because they were trying to keep the books open for us. They now have maneuverability next summer. Chris so maybe that means they're absorbing somebody else's somebody else's played into the into caporal. Maybe somebody's making a dump of some kind. But if that's the it's not obviously a current all star or somebody who you really think is pushing you that far forward. I mean there's there's other creative ways to use the cap room but just looking at some of the guys who are on pace to be free agents. Next summer spencer dinwiddie combo guard would look really nice next to luca can play on and off the ball. Good shooter can create a bit. I having another creator their next deluca. I think it would be great. So that's the thing you know beal and all the depot another stars will be the first thing everybody thinks about. Well if you can't get you honest another star that could you. Could you know pry loose. I think if you just get some high level role guys you know. Spencer dinwiddie type Maybe pj tucker. He certainly is ready to leave. Houston like yesterday. And that's the kind of you know like beefy guard a bunch of positions guy. Who would actually be pretty good next to porzingas so that he's not having to deal with with Some of the bigger centers defensively and tucker can can guard way above his side. Obviously lamarcus aldridge older older vet big man but the guy who would i think. Be really nice next porzingas. So there's some guys who i think are the right fit and you and they're gettable right and you've got thirty four million cap room like years. There's there are ways for them. That's the thing. The most one of the most impressive things last season with the mavericks. And i think what did they put up like the highest offensive rating in history. And they did it with with a transcendent young player. Luca a sometimes available porzingus and a bunch of guys. There's not a single plan that roster that you would have thought that guy is going to be part of one of the greatest offenses all time. So you don't doesn't need much but some of the names mentioned those are upgrades and those are plausible. Gettable upgrades yeah. I like the names. You mentioned specifically aldridge. And tucker guys that would provide some muscle on the inside with other name that you just out of curiosity duncan robinson duncan robinson is going to be a free agent next summer and based on what we saw shooters get this summer. Whether it's davis bertans joe harris doug robinson might be one hundred million dollar player like there might be. I swear to god. Am i wrong like there might be somebody out there but crazy crazy like it does because two years ago duncan robinson was like sitting in the low section of the garden in boston. Like watching celtics games now. He has the potential to be one hundred million dollar player. He was a starter on a finals. Team he's only going to get better like his shooting is always going to be there which is great strength but the rest of his game is probably going to evolve. He gets a little bit older. Like your dallas with all that cast space. They could be one of those teams that makes a stupid offer to duncan robinson. And look. you'd probably wonder like we grossly overpaying this guy given what they would then have three guys that are for their position lights out shooters in luca duncan robinson and porzingas. A center is a is a pretty good shooter. That's that's modern. Nba baby like a modern type team. I'd be fascinated to see if they would go in on on. A duncan robinson next. He is restricted. We should note but yeah there's probably a breaking point there for miami that they wouldn't match up. Oh i believe it like. I think the mavericks did this to miami. Two years ago remember when they assan whiteside hit free agency in other miami. Find like there was that in dallas was kind of lurking out. There is the team that was willing to offer us on whiteside a full max level contract with no restrictions. I think miami at the time and we're going to way back into the hot tub time machine here but miami at the time i think they wanted to put a bunch of incentives into a science contract because while he's assan whiteside but because dallas was lurking out there with a potential mega offer. They had to give us on what they gave him this. This could be a similar situation where because dallas is lurking with a whopper of a contract. My going to have to pay him hundred billion dollars. Amazing teacher kids shoot everybody. Teach your kids to shoot. They can make a small fortune. All right let's move onto jimmy times great name there. Jimmy asked does jalen brown. Make the all star team this year. I don't want it to that part of it. Because i don't really care how much of the season success in boston though is dependent on kimball walkers knee. This is the big question now. I think jason. Tatum is going to be an mvp conversation this year. I think jalen brown. I guess answering this question is going to be the all star. Mix this year but the wildcard is kemba and this issue. That really worries me. Mrs an issue that came up in the first couple months of twenty twenty despite having what was it three months off. It was back when kevin went to the bubble now a few months later. He's gonna have to sit out the first month of the season because of the same injury. I mean if. I'm boston no matter what they're saying. I'd be terrified of this. This would really scare me. The kemba is dealing with this knee knee injury and as much as i like jaylen and jayson good players in this conference. They can't compete without a healthy kemba. Walker not brooklyn which at least in the preseason looks like we thought they were going to look. I think milwaukee is once again going to be like sixty plus regular season team. You've got miami still out there. Philadelphia unique kemba walker tat any hope for any material successively. The celtics actually did quickly do a quick exercise of like. Oh well could jaylen brown make the all star team. And what i realized was that the first opening on the all star team is probably the one being vacated by kemba walker so You kimba and trae where the starting backward for the east Back in february. Yana sacrament and beat up front and and jaylen brown just to complete the thoughts processor. The thought exercise jaylen brown obviously could be going either spot probably guard or forward the probably make him eligible both reserves. Were larry simmons. Butler middleton bam tatum and savona so like the only obvious opening is probably the one being vacated by kemba but i also looked at. Oh well kyrie's healthy russell westbrook's in the east now bradley beal been Arguably and is in that mix so you know one of those one of the four just named jalen brown russell westbrook bradley beal. Kyri is probably replacing kemba walker on that all star roster so anyway for whatever that's worth there you go there I can't is a serious concern. I was one. Chris who thought that the last couple of years i was i was pretty bullish on the celtics from kyrie to the trans transition to kemba and in large part it was because of this emerging potential big four. You know biggish for right now. We're however you want to rate some of these guys. Gordon hayward post injury Kimba at this stage of his career. Whatever it was and brown and tatum emerging right but what. I really loved about the celtics. Especially last year was when they were at full-strength. You've got four guys. Who could all do a lot with the ball. And their hands were a bit interchangeable at least across the three three four three three wings brown tatum and hayward will hear words gone now in on the shelf with as you point out an injury that is coming up on its one year anniversary and you know knees are always scary especially for small guards who rely a lot on their burst like where does that. Leave him if it's slowing him down or if it's nagging and is not going away so i think it's a huge concern because you go from this like i say big fish for two now okay. It's the brown and tatum. Show and jeff. Txz nice vet to plug in there. that's fine. There's no real replacement for gordon hayward so they're losing some offensive. Dynamism chris the good news. Is i do think. Brown and tatum are talented enough that they can soak up a lot of those opportunities right like you just increase the usage for those two guys and there's a lot they can get accomplished but you you over the course of a game over the course of a season you do need to spread it around a little bit and so it's not like they had like they were bursting with talents everywhere else right so especially offensive talent in guys who can create so. Yeah i i think it's a serious serious concern for them. And i think as of right now you have to downgrade them in the east race right. I think it's miami. Milwaukee brooklyn are the first tier miami by virtue of having one. It won the east milwaukee by virtue of who they are and they've got you honest brooklyn by virtue gedeon kyrie and and then you start talking about you know where philly boston toronto lineup. Yeah i think with a healthy kemba. They're legit like they can get to the finals. They might even be able to win a championship without him. I mean i think tristan thompsons good. Acquisition gives them the muscle upfront. That they've been missing since aron baynes left a couple of years ago kemba. It just doesn't work. I mean they signed geoff. T we all know what jeff teague is at this point. It's a solid backup but probably nothing more. Marcus smart's not fit to be the point guard. He's more of a combo guy. Yeah you need a healthy and right now you have to have real concerns about when he's gonna make it all the way back. You finally decided to learn how to ice skate. So you ordered the essentials. Every aspiring ice skater needs a nice pair of blades. A shiny new helmet and a good set of kneepads. And you used your bank of america. 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Do you think he'd could be a potential trade ship in case they need another center at the trade deadline. Well i don't think you trade cousteau for a center. That's for sure. I think you've the center position. La is i mean it's role is basically to protect. Anthony davis for thirty eight minutes a game. You know whether it's dwight howard mcghee marhsall in that mix. You've just got to be kind of a big body that can do certain things. I don't think he trade a player like kuzin for that but coups was still as interesting. I mean he's new. Contract has that poison pill restriction and to quote bobby marks year for trade purposes. Coups was contract which is three point. Six million will count as outgoing salary his incoming salary of the acquiring team. Meaning the lakers take back. The average of the last year of his contract and extension is used that being ten point nine million dollars poison pill makes it more difficult for coups mccray but i look i think the lakers could still potentially explore it. I mean if there's a player out there that becomes available that makes more sense playing off of lebron and anthony davis you have to kind of look into it. I mean kuzma's a terrific score but look. There were time i was just. I don't even say times. Most of last year he didn't look comfortable playing alongside ad and lebron in the role that he was in. He got more comfortable in the bubble. But was that foreshadowing things to come or going to see mma. Go back to being the same player. That was a little perplexed about his role. The early signs aren't good. Howard i mean who's was out saying publicly like i don't know my role is with team so i think it's certainly possible we see coups moved Even after this new deal yet it's possible and the deal itself the poison pill. Notwithstanding the number years everything Makes him a good trade ship still his age obviously to he is still somebody who's who's of intrigue and the problem for the lakers. Once they made the anthony davis trade and perfectly fine problem to have. When you win a championship is that he did cost them pretty much. All of their assets all their young players other picks so. I don't think the lakers need to make a move chris. So you know is cruising a potential trip. Sure you might be their only trade ship. Frankly there's not a whole lot else on this roster that anybody's gonna wanna trade for aside from the two stars so he it's nice to have. That and the lakers have given themselves that that optionality but some point there's an there is a player out there that they need somebody goes down. They need to fill a whole kouzmines. A guy that they can th that has market value that they can trade and get something. I'm with you. They don't need a center. The mark assault mantras harrell. Tandem is fine. Anthony davis is going to soak up a bunch of minutes at center there. They've got lebron's gonna play some fillon center like they don't need. They don't need anything there. I don't know what their need will be. Like as i look over the roster. Right now chris and again. This is lakers credit. I don't see any obvious. Whole you know and i don't see i also don't see anybody where you think well. Maybe they need could use an upgrade from k. c. p. or something kouzmin getting you a guy back. Who's an upgrade from casey. I i don't. I don't i don't see it like there right now. They're good with where they are. We we've all said it won't championship and got better and there's not an obvious screaming need right now. And i don't know what cosmic gets you that makes you significantly better. I agree all right. Let's talk about the jazz for a minute. Lewis asking the jazz have a possibility. I guess they do the jazz of a possibility to win a championship with the pair of donovan mitchell and rudy gobert or does vertigo bear contract extension. Cancel that possibility where to go. bear recently. Signed a two hundred five million extension. Which makes him and donovan. Mitchell officially the cornerstones of that team for the next four years. It's interesting question howard. Because i love donovan mitchell. I think he's going to get better. I'm not sure how much he's going to get better rudy gobert at the point that he is what he is and what he is is really good arguably the top defensive player in the nba. But are you going to get more out of him. He could become more of an offensive player as he gets into his thirty s. I'm not sure i see that to me. The jazz and their ability to compete for a championship is entirely dependent over the next four years on how well they draft. It might seem simplistic but when you have a team. That gets to this point where they're cap. Flexibility is all but gone because they have to pay top to your players. It's all about who you draft that middle late round what you're drafting in the teens. Or in the s. Can you find that. Tony parker or pascal siakam or even tyler heroes the mid round. Pick for the heat this past year. Can you find that guy that can slide into your rotation at a key position. They'll have some flexibility opening up. Mike conley's contract comes up the books next year. They can do some things. But let's be real. Utah's never been a free agent destination. That's for sure. But i just think it comes down to what that front office which is very good like dennis lindsay justin zanuck. That front office is excellent. Excellent job drafting. Over the last few years most notably the guys. I mentioned regal bear and donovan mitchell. But they gotta find somebody howard. It's it might be another bench score right now. They've got jordan. Clarkson soaking up those mets joe ingles is going to be there but they gotta find somebody in the next couple of years that turns out to be like a tyler herro level player for them to be a championship team. Because right now. I think they're really good. But really good in the west probably means like fourth at this point like the west is so damn good that it's tough to crack that top two or three. I mean look the good news is and you said this is a really sharp front office and remember rudy. Gobert was what the twenty-seventh i believe. Overall donovan mitchell was thirteenth can both those in both those cases. They traded for the draft rights for those guys. I think both times involving denver. If i recall correctly which is not bounce back bounce back by the way that is not a knock on denver at all like you. The trade of the pixel became those guys. If you've done all the other things that they have done correct as they have. The nuggets are great you. Could you imagine if they didn't do those deals though like they'd be known as the greatest drafting team ever continue but it speaks to the jazz ability to identify talent outside of the lottery or in mitchell's case in late lottery right late lottery. His case late first round enrico bears case so that that's the good news. You might find another all store drafting low but that guidance going to need time developed to so they have a timeline issue. Donna mitchell still really young but really bears mid career i i. I'm gonna go back to my the argument. I made on behalf of the. Who are we talking about earlier. I was saying about the window. Opening the jazz have time on their side. Chris like at some point. Lebron will start tab again. Maybe someday possibly eventually. When he's when his sons in the league. But whenever that whenever the lakers starchy wrote or if the clippers never really quite have pulled together. What if they have another funky chemistry year so like and then you know so now. It's okay if you're the jazz. Can you also overcome the nuggets. Well i don't know the nuggets are really stacked right now. I feel like they're they're in great shape and really deep but then who else in the in the west okay. Phoenix is coming but they got to get the most. They cannot chris paul before he falls off the cliff age wise. The pelicans are coming. I think but you know to to be seen yet to be seen the where the team. I was talking about earlier with with the window. So but there's another young team on the rice so you may not be looking at may not be about can the jazz knock off the la teams. Maybe it's more about can they. To the extent that they just extended rudy. Gobert all of these years. donovan mitchell. Still on the rise. Can they do enough. Things chris to fortify that rotation keep growing and be ready to contend as the la teams. Maybe start to out a little bit and then can you be good enough to deal with denver. Portland's another team i. I should have put in that in that conversation because this is how this whole their tier teams that you know is just waiting for the right break or waiting for one of the powerhouses to to start to ebb. So you know the the possibility is there. It's also possible. They'll just be those. They'll they'll be the new version of stockton malone which is not a terrible thing if you become hall of famers who are fifty plus teams every year and always make the playoffs. They they could be a really really good top team for a long long stretch and then anytime in that stretch you know you you get things break in your way. You got a chance. Yeah yeah they're they're. They're basically confirmed really really good for the next few years especially with bogdanovic coming back. There really missed him. In the bubble that was a guy that they could have used and probably would have been really useful in that denver series which was back and forth. But's it's one more piece in my mind and that piece going to have to come through the draft. I'll let me finish howard with this. Aaron martin asks can. Rg barrett win. The most improved player award this year. A couple of things. I want to say about barrett right off the top number one. I would never vote for him for most improved because i never vote for guys are drafted. Third overall most improved. You are supposed to improve if you're drafted third overall in your second year. So i didn't vote for brandon ingram for most improved this year. Not the brandon. Ingram isn't worthy of everything that he's received up until this point but the guy was the number two overall pick in the draft. That was pretty good as first few years. I expect guys like that to get better. That's first and foremost second. Rj barrett gets a lot of criticism because of the guys drafted above him. Zion williamson we know going to be a star in this league. Jamarat showed last year. He is a star in this league. Those two guys are probably going to be competing for all star spots for years to come average got looking at rj going. Oh man we rj. He's the third guy we really blew it. But if you're the knicks look through that two thousand nineteen draft board all the way down. It's not like the knicks missed out on jamaran. And this isn't the case of drafting sam. Bowie over michael jordan here like they didn't miss out on anybody in this slot. You've got the andre hundred drafted after. You've got darius garland drafted after jared culver. Kobe white jackson hayes. Ruhosha more i mean you have to go down to tyler hero to find a guy that you're pretty sure is going to be a breakout player. More than than rj hunter is so. I'm not gonna slam the knicks for this pick. Because that's the hand they were dealt now hunter. I think is always going to be what he was last year. And that's like a fourteen fifteen points per game score i think he's got that ability slashing athleticism scoring at the rim second chance opportunities. He can do all those things. The shooting i don't know man. He shot forty percent from the floor last year. Thirty two percent from three. You expect numbers that to improve on young players. They always do and look. I think tom thibodeau is a better coach of young players that he gets credit for. I mean look dirk. Rose was the youngest. Mvp ever when he was with tom tippett. Oh jimmy butler turned into jimmy butler under top tiptoe in chicago. Joking noah was a young guy so i think tibbs is a guy that can unlock more out of rj barrett. I just don't know what i watch him. If that shots ever going to become consistent if you can't be consistent three point shooter in this league at his position a ceiling on you and rj barrett will get better. But i'm not sure how much better he's going to get. I mean it's obviously way too soon for us to judge. He's he's really young and tough season and look one of the problems for the knicks for the last however many years running. It's been now. They haven't really had a flight point guard who just puts everybody in their place and makes it easier on everybody so barrett was handling the ball way more than he should have last year probably needs to be paying off the ball. He needs other people be setting him up and not trying to be playing point forward or or whatever. And you know they're gonna open their season with peyton as point guard. that's fine. there's not a lot of shot. Creators in the mix on this team and i think that makes it harder on a young guy like barrett. And you know the tim's will figure this out that's the one thing we know like tibbs was the first guy to come in and while here who you know what he's about and what he'll establish from day one day they both up the development staff. Every team always says. Oh we're now we're now. We're not all about pro development now. The knicks are doing pages to edit pages to the media guide that's and shares behind the bench. But but there's fine. Let's let's see. Let's see what they can do with him. The tools are all there. I don't know you know what the ceiling is right now and i think it's too it's it's it's you know students to put a ceiling on people the or not don't feel like our has all star written on him but that's that's a bit of a hasty judgment. I think at this point he's got improve as shooter period and went and the most alarming thing is not even the three point shooting being thirty two percent. It's it's the fact that is free throw shooting is is has been as bad as it was like sixty. One percent is a rookie. That that usually tracks right guys rabat. Free throw shooter senate. Just be bad shooters and that that to me is is a little bit alarming. But could it be most improved. Who knows we'll see like what we'll we'll see how great development staff the next actually have now between him and kevin knox a pivotal year and the rest of this young crew. Like this this is a you know. The knicks did not to their credit. Did not try to like fix everything with one quick spending spree in free agency. So it's about the young guys. no okay. Well it's make or break time for others young guys. Let's see how much talent is. Actually there and how much they can get out of them. I wonder too like you know now that we've spoken about barrett will tibbs have the patience to play through the young guy mistakes. I mean that's that to me. Is the question because look tibbs. Was the guy pushing for the knicks. To sign. Gordon hayward this offseason. He wanted that that deal to happen. Gordon was never going to go to new york but he was one of the driving forces behind. That wants to win. One way or the other and i tell you i look at that atlantic division. You're going to see like boston. Brooklyn toronto philadelphia interchanging all season long. Then you'll see like the grand canyon and then you'll see the knicks right there on the bottom of that division so the patients of tom thibodeau may be tested throughout this season howard. There's no question. Chris and that's the thing like you know yet. He got chicago at at at the exact right moment and that team became great on his watch. And that's partially due to the players and partially due to the front office is drafting is partially due to tom's coaching. And the what we know of tibbs was was two things what he did as the defensive coach for the celtics when they won the championship and then his first head coaching opportunity in chicago. Which went pretty damn well considering his you know. His team was up against the braun. Keitel's for most of that time but minnesota was not was not a glorious experience from tobacco and he took over a minnesota team that had clearly more talent than the next team he just took over young talent but more talent and tuna to number one overall picks and wiggins and towns and some other pieces along the way and he couldn't get them couldn't get them where you want him to go and they were mostly bottom third and defence and defence is supposed to be is calling card. So i think there's a lot to be said for you know what we're gonna learn about tibbs year to can he be patient with the young guys. Has he learned some things alone away and you know. Are there limits to two defensive scheme if you just don't have guys who can or want to defend like i've always thought like did. Sometimes we give too much credit on that count like the polls were great defensively but dad guys who wanted to get after. They'd job him. No they'd taj gibson like their jimmy butler like tips. Didn't have to motivate those guys to play defense and that's again that's not the downplay his scheme or his emphasis on defense. But it is to say that you the players you have matter a ton in that calculation so This is gonna be a different kind of year for for tips but the good news is no one's expecting anything. Everybody has the knicks. Pegged is one of the bottom teams in the nba and they will be and the only thing he has to do. I think to inspire some belief among the organization fans. Whoever just develop these guys just just get the move in the right direction and and and showed the knicks actually have some semblance of young core that they can go forward with and that is on the rise definitely developmental year for new york that if it goes well who knows could be springboard for the next couple of years. I mean. there's still a team that because of the market track for agents that they look functional which is probably the ultimate goal this year They could be in good position next summer. And beyond howard always good to catch up man. Happy holidays to. You're not up. You're not having a massive bender at the beck household planet. Low key like our medical experts. Say to do it enjoyment you too. And yes we will be a laying low as they say you're in brooklyn. Is that what they said. No they don't up. Hey it's been heisler from the fantasy team whether you're looking to win a championship season long. 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REShow: Albert Breer - Hour 1 (06-08-21)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Albert Breer - Hour 1 (06-08-21)

"This is the rich eisen show. You got one severe and talk about me. Live from the rich eisen show studio in los angeles. What is the trigger mechanism on on inspecting a pitcher driven by the empire's and one sort colmey. It's going to be a lot like a dui. Check the rich eisen show. Today's gasps senior writer for the m. Qb albert breer detroit. Lions quarterback jared gov actor and comedian. Joel mchale and now you're rich and everybody. Welcome this edition of the rich eisen show. Where live here in los angeles california here on june. The eighth our second tuesday of june here in two thousand twenty one. Good over there chris. Brockman how're you. What's happened to del. Tufo read his spots. We're back boys. Along with tj jefferson. Everybody dollar in our neighborhood. Four of us back. You're talking sports hanging out over the next three hours on. Nbc sports on peacock. Or you're listening to us on nbc sports audio siriusxm channel to eleven or streaming. Live on odyssey. Or you're listening to us on this rich eisen show radio station. You're listening to the rich eisen podcast. Which is available on the cumulus podcast network. In other words you cannot avoid it. live or on-demand that simple and i will say. This is a huge news in my house. peacock where we are every single day as from noon to three. Now us tweeted out. Yes you can now. Stream peacock on samsung. I heard about it from my friend. Doug robinson yesterday was like what are you. It's so funny news in my cellphone. I'm held responsible by some people in my life like kach. Have this on samsung. And i'm like let me run up the flag. Yeah let me run it all the way up the comcast flagpole The universal flagpole. Let me do that so Thanks for that information. Bigness oats at. That is big news for sure eight. Look the nets kicked the bucks asked last and without without a james harden again and you know just when the bucks thing. Hey we affixed are problems. We just bounce the heat after. They got us out of last year's playoffs. And the bubble we have fixed everything and then the nets are just basically reminding everybody. They're just getting started and durant did his thing. Kyri did his thing Blake griffin is acting like he's on campus at oklahoma and and And of just a total blow out wasn't even wasn't even close. It was worse than game. One which didn't feel close okay. So there's that and congratulations to the phoenix suns. And it was a fun scene last night against the The denver nuggets. You know when one team in front of their home crowd. That's been hungry for a win. The playoffs hungry for a playoff run. And then just hungry to just show up and be in a in an arena and you not worried about there. Being a big breakout of A pandemic of virus. And you put it all together and devon booker caps at twenty one. Nothing run with a three point. Play and a foul. I mean it was a total party in the valley of the sun last night. You as the suns came back from a deficit to take game one one. Twenty two one. Oh five i mean they just put the pedal to the metal and the denver nuggets looked like a team that is missing a dynamic player for the first time in. Maybe since jamal murray went out i mean. I'm sure they had some regular season contests where they looked undermanned. But that's the way it looked last night and holy crap son's really came out and hit the nuggets with a fat run and deondraye eight and with a twenty ten double double good for him and the nba playoffs round. Two got underway In the western conference last night. We'll talk more about it here on the show Throughout this three hours but with the ultimate of respect to the figurative warriors that are playing in the nba playoffs. I rogers didn't show for work. And and you know it's you give me a legitimate reason to talk about aaron rodgers and the packers have an issue with each other homage. Take that and run with it. We got one now. So after the draft day bomb that went off and After that dominated the draft headlines and the post draft headlines and the kentucky derby and then spiked just a couple of mondays ago when Our friend kenny. Mayne left sportscenter and aaron rodgers. dis- bestowed upon kenny main Quite a farewell gift of his first public comments on the matter between him and the packers question was is going to show up at the first time that he had to and we now ever answer. The answer is no. he's not. Does this mean that he is not going to show for the packers this fall. Does this mean that they cannot bridge. Whatever gap and divide that. There is the only person with that. Answer is the person who did not show for work in green bay with the uniform number twelve. Nobody else has that answer. Antibody is inner circle might have a good idea a terrific idea a very well sourced clearly idea but really the only human being who knows the answer to that. Question is aaron rodgers. I know that's not a a hot take. I know that stating the obvious but sometimes it's the only thing you got 'cause i'm not gonna sit here and put him on blast. You know my statements on this show if you've been watching us or listening to us and if you haven't all repeated here again i will. Where the hell you've been here everyday. Secondly he feels maligned and wronged. He feels he deserves the right to script his ending in green bay. He feels all of that. Are they first world problems. I rate problems. That only first class problem people have yup. But they're his and he put all the time in all the time and we established this after jordan love got drafted and he said it's not about the draft. Pick or the kid. It is about the draft pick. It might not be about the kid with whom aaron jones told us on the show. He has a very good relationship because he's even seen that he's even seen rogers. Take the time to coach him up which i don't believe happen very much when he was in the role of love and far was in the role of him back in the old day and as we have since established to because nobody else has been talking about it as far as i can tell and you forget about what led up to love being drafted. That's rogers changing his spots. In a way that he supposedly wasn't able to after he and mccarthy had loggerheads in a new coach is coming in house. This young guy. Going to be able to gain the respect of aaron rodgers so a quarterback coach relationship can be forged even in the traditional sense where quarterback trusts. Coach goat quarterback relinquishes some form of control at the line of scrimmage to said coach and runs said play from said coach in a manner that we were hearing. Rogers was no longer apt to do with mike. Mccarthy rogers did that to the tune of thirteen and three taking the packers to nfc championship game in which he wasn't the main problem. The defense couldn't stop the forty niners run game and in the first round of that year the packers do not go in the direction to try and shore that part of the team up they look over the steering wheel for some reason at rogers position and here we are era. Doesn't show up for work today. It's a you know what a thirty thousand dollar fine of some sort. That's it okay. Ninety total misses the whole. He's going to miss the holy nightshift he doesn't show up today. It's not showing up and you know we all have to do whatever repairs he feels the need to do or he's already laid the groundwork with his teammates again. We have no idea where all reading into the void here and the question is what happens next in rogers mind. You know what doesn't matter right now. What happens next in my mind. All he's doing is turning up the heat on the guy who didn't call him to say. Were drafting somebody at your position after you went thirteen in three and he moster kept hitting his head on the santa clara. Forty niners goalpost in the nfc championship game. You were a primary reason to get too. That's what he's doing and whatever else he thought about. Good kunst whether it's true or not that he's referring to him as crumbs jerry krause and he's the jordan in the last dance and he's telling other players on the field. Hey how'd you like to team up somewhere else. Maybe that's true. Maybe it's not. Maybe it was him being totally facetious and sarcastic which might based on our experience with him on this show. Sounds like maybe maybe he was doing all that. But the packers have a missing quarterback. We'll hear about it. Matt floors speaks to today and he will probably and rightfully. Certainly after he has spent several of his previous media availabilities saying things like no update for you there love to have him he might finally reach in the old coaching. Cliche bag of tricks and dust off one of my top favorite coaching cliches. I'm only talking about the guys who are here today everybody. I'm only talking about the guys here today. I know what you wanna ask. I think he's going to go in that direction. Today as mark murphy. The team president said in his essay in his letter monthly letter on packers dot com the less that everybody says about it the better although he did allow that it is dividing the fan base again. I'd love to hear from packer. Fan eight four four two zero four rich. I would love to hear from a packer fan. That is one of the people who emailed mark murphy. According to the team president to be on the other side of this coin. I'm sure there are some out. There were like. He's making millions. I can't do what. I'm what he's doing in my job. If i did this in my job i be fired. You don't have his job. i don't have his job. None of us here has his job and we also don't have his set of circumstances however all of us in this job love to leave it the way that we want left everybody out there. Hey he's got a contract he should live up to it. You also have to live up to it in a way that you. You don't have the leverage to do what you want. But you also don't work in the nfl as quarterback with fifteen sixteen years under your belt for an organization that has rebuilt quite a bit around the stadium. Due to the success of the franchise in the last fifteen sixteen years to his performance and his behavior behind the scenes may be something that we don't know about that's driven management crazy to leave them. The maybe go in the direction that mike florio suggested yesterday. Hold out. we'll save your money. We'll give our guy year. We'll be able to say the fan base we tried. He's the one not here. we want him here. We try to keep them here and turned heat back on him. But that's not for another month or two right now. Rodgers not shown up. Turn the heat up on that team and we'll hear about the balls jumping out of jordan. Loves hand maybe. We'll even hear from him. this week. i'd love to. I'd love to. I'd love to interview. We interviewed him the day or two days before the draft fully. Not knowing at all how he was about to be born into the nfl through no fault of his one phone call. Hey aaron. we're thinking of choosing another quarterback. Don't pay it any mind. So simple he would have also then asked other questions like what are you doing that for. Whatever might have been a very awkward conversation might still be in the same situation now. Don't because when you're drafting quarterback in the first round moving up to get him as i've mentioned i'll say here again in the twenty first century under the current construct in the nfl. It is a financial decision that requires the player that you're drafting in the first round to get on the field fast sooner rather than later. The clock ticks. When you already do that in the first round because the financial construct of a contract that requires you to after year three decide. Do you pay a monster year five. We might be in a different spot right now but aaron rodgers is out and one of the questions i want. Ask albert when he joins literally in five minutes time. As if brian gouda kunst had a microphone in front of him or just a private moment private moment and he wants us to know something what he wants to know. 'cause he's not gonna talk publicly he's not gonna air. Some of the stuff you know erin. Did this erin did that. What a headache. That was but my response to any of that stuff would be your title okay. Your title is general manager. Means you must generally manage things and stuff and people and goat towns. I might not know everything. But i know one thing that in this world in the same way that i just said to anybody out there that thinks aaron rodgers is being spoiled and that aaron rodgers is being anything but handling this situation in a manner that you wouldn't i say to you. You would do the same thing he's do. Just because you don't have the same gig as aaron rodgers. We does not apply to us the management rules that apply to you and me and everyone else should not apply to aaron rodgers because of the nature of his position in the sport in that same way. I would turn to brian huda. Coon say you should have managed the situation better and you can. You can treat him differently and still run the operation the way that you want because the next person who comes along and asks the aaron rodgers treatment you can say to that person who the hell are you. Let's take a break here. Julio jones and the number eleven in tennessee is he going to wear it. Aj brown has an update on that arthur smith with a terrific quote in atlanta about the julio jones departure. That's coming up in this hour. Jared goff our number two joel mchale and our number three he is hosting fox's crime scene kitchen which definitely is potentially about what my kitchen looks like after any of the kids attempts to do anything. It's emmy night as well. It's gonna be long nights sitting in front of the computer waiting for me to be thoroughly disappointed. But you know what it's going to happen and i'm ready for it and i'm going to be there with my friends figuratively. You're not coming over are you. I'm not coming okay. Okay i just want to make sure. I thought you like differ red wines. You were drinking. Yeah my friends cabinet my friends cabernet and brunello going to be right there my side. That's what i thought you bet. Oh i'm coming in tomorrow hungover it. Maybe i am coming over. Nah hey eight. Four four two zero four rich number. 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Today that's geiko dot com couple of narratives wanna at you here to you. Tell me if this is true. Anything anything to it because this is what we're all talking about out there. What i'm sure you've heard like a narrative that you based on the way that your team drafted have a monster chip on your shoulder this year and the way that you've shown up the first two weeks would support that theory and narrative. What do you say to that rogers. I think i've always found inspiration from various things and a as a younger player. Even before i got in the league. You know there was a lot of slights that i felt about. You know the Scouting on my performance and my abilities and who thought i could play in couldn't play thing. Is you know as i got older. You have to find new ways to to be inspired by things. I think if anything it's it's almost the opposite. I'm completely at peace with where i'm at in my career and that's you know preemies me up and allowed me to you. Know to get to this. Comfort level is is is the piece that sometimes surpasses even your own understanding and and i don't have bitterness towards the organization jordan or anything associated with that. I'm just. I've been working on myself. And i think a lot of times when people you see whether it's in there about my know mental state or how playing you know they have to. They can't just can't be positive thing they have to say. Well it's a shot at somebody or slight somebody here. He's got a into nephew. Somebody whatever it might be you know in this situation. I really feel like it's just. I i've been tuesday to work on myself and You know i feel really good about where. I'm at one second year of a system. That guys are just playing a little bit faster and we're finding ways to be more efficient. I mean that that doesn't maybe sell a lot of papers or get a lot of hits the website but to me that's That's closer to the truth. And this idea that some monster chip. So in terms of your. You're receiving mates than Do they have one is concept that you didn't get the help that was required speaks to the fact that they're not good enough again has different ways of being motivated. And i think allen lazard out plenty of chips. He could put on that shoulder. Whether it's jacksonville trying to make them tight end or us not letting them work with the green group for the first whole first training camp even though he was dominating on the other side of the field working twos and threes or fact we cut him or the fact that we put them on the active roster and didn't dress some in the fact that maybe we finally dressed them. We didn't plan so he's got plenty of he can. We can have tips about mark. Was same thing i think mark was his thing always been about his own confidence and the more confident that he is the more relaxed and not put too much pressure on himself. Because i think he is such a town guy buddy in proud of those guys away. They've stepped up in the training camps. They've had and now they've got a good start versus the game. Was aaron rodgers week. Two of the nfl season that just finished in which he was an mvp back. You're on the rich eisen show of also here on the rich eisen show radio network. W seo and appleton wisconsin. I want to hear from you. I'm calling you out when here from packers fans today. How do you feel about aaron rodgers. Not being on the field and with the team to describe a honestly you don't i don't i don't usually call people out like you. Know what Hacksaw southern cal. React to me appleton. I want to hear from you. But i mean in Jomie your cheesehead. I want to know how packers fans feel about this eight. Four four two four riches. The number to dial. We'll take your calls later on this hour and throughout the three hour. Show jared goff the lines gonna join is back here on the program. Good buddy albert beer sports illustrated. How are you albert. I'm good right to help your piece. You don't have any chips that you need to. You need to kinda reveal here. Well yeah we're live on the air albert. Just want wanna let you know that before we get to. Julio jones and all that How do you read our should not showing up today. How mean you know. I think it would have been an enormous surprise. It'd be had shown up and if the main reason why is this is about money You know then you know like if five hundred thousand dollars for showing up for the rest of the offseason program program wasn't going to motivate them to show up then why would ninety three grand For showing too many camp motivate them That's the way i look at it anyway. And we'll see whether or not the packers aside to levy that fine But i think it sort of means. We're where we're where we have been for a few months now and You know the packers have obviously tried to pull every lever to get him back in and you know i think. A huge part of the problem remains Divide philosophically on how the teams being built that. The communication over the Over the jordan. Love thing a year ago so I think it remains very very unpredictable. Thing but i don't think the mini camp was ever more than a checkpoint. This whole thing rich. I think when the rubber meets the road is really has been the whole time started training camp. Are they talking to each other best. You can tell you know. I know the packers have made efforts And i know the packers have made multiple trips to california to meet with them I don't know how much direct communication there's been over the last few weeks. And i'll give the packers credit for this You know and i gave you some insight my own reporting You know. I think the packers have made an effort not to sort of work. The back rooms speak on this and you know what mark murphy did. The team lead borderline on precedent. I don't know if i've ever seen team use its website that way before You know the other day you know. And then you know if you want to add onto that like my experience was amid actually asked me to go on the record in a couple of different circumstances because They don't wanna be saying anything in the background And sort of working that part of the game they want to be transparent about it gets a message to erin. Which is you know. We're going to try to be as principal as we can be about this and more. We talk about you We're gonna do it publicly. we're not going to be trying anything behind your back or anything like that. So attackers are doing everything they can to try to get back on board. I think the trouble is How much can they really show him at. This point How things are going to be different. Because we're we're obviously the counter now. We're all well past the end of free agency. Julio jones's now been traded the draft was a month ago. I don't know what else you can do to show aaron rodgers. You're going to build the teenager. You have thirty years. I mean and and and that's part of the problem. Albert is that we we've got. We've got a a situation that is now Would let's do the math here Fourteen fifteen months old that you can't change and then you have as you pointed out all the team building scenarios that that You know could prove to aaron rodgers that we hear you and that the only thing that could be used as a public apology without saying i'm sorry about fifteen months ago would be either to trade the guy in jordan love or give rogers a contract that means jordan love will not get on the field in time for them to properly evaluate him for a fifth year option and the question is is would that even satisfy on rogers at that point in time. That's divided have kind of captured it. Or what here tell you yeah. I mean they've offered in contracts. You know and so i think it right on to think about like i think you're right on to think about the guaranteed money and i think that that's what everybody needs to pay closer attention to you know we can throw around big numbers all we want whatever number they're gonna give us new big one. I think the the is. How do you prove to him. You're going to be a quarterback for the next three years that required by the way reg the packers doing something else. They generally don't do If you look at the packers big contracts normally they have enormous signing bonuses and they don't guarantee future years so they would have to break the way they do business there to to really show. Aaron rodgers were locking into you for the next two or three years You know and and three years would be you know getting to the end of jordan loves rookie contract where you know you'd have to be on the past eight. Make a decision on your option so Yeah i mean. I think that there's some stuff that they can do contractually That would definitely signaled in rogers. He's the i going forward. But i can tell you that already put stuff in front of them and said well give you a new contract and that hasn't really all that much algebra here on the rich eisen show. I mean the aaron jones contract is You know on the credit card Where the number of years that's on. His contract is beyond what they would absolutely consider keeping amount. I don't think it certainly at that position in the two years in which he's viable under the cap is may be rodgers remaining years there unless of course he's like brady and he to play tilles forty and you turn jordan love to jimmy garoppolo. You know so put it. Put it all together for me alberton. Let's give gouda cost a little bit a run here just briefly. What do you think they have. I mean that's the thing is their mortgage contracts so you gotta give them credit for that because that's not something that they normally do and they. They mortgaged area. Smith's contract president smith. Everyone thought that he was going to do the trader hot. They kept him right like and that's a piece that normally you know a team that's looking long range would say. Well we drafted or sean gerry. You know a couple of years ago. So maybe it's just time to move on from big number but they mortgage depressed. Spent to keep another good player on the roster. And so you know. I think they have done some things. That are a little out. Aleph feel for them you know and i think he has to give give them some credit that they have in certain ways broken from the way they've done business in the past. I just think you know big piece of this. And and i've probably three or four times on the air but the big piece of this was aaron rodgers looking around After they lost the championship game looking at the particular and looking at how aggressively chiefs adults around patrick mahomes oppressively the bills drafted around for built around shown and in particular. How the buccaneers have just gone all out. And we don't care what happens in two thousand twenty three. We're gonna put a super team around tom. Brady and i think that. That's something that russell wilson took note up to where i think a lot of the quarterback josh. This is what i'm up against. Want to be in a place where they're going to build around me that way. Wherever thing is you know kinda medicated on my window to win a championship amen. I've been saying this since pretty much. Brady one at all and you first heard rogers. You know A after losing to brady in the nfc championship game. Say something that caused us to say. What's he talking about now. That five alarmed fire is he's got the entire packers organization aflame over this one situation. And so you know. Put it all together. Maybe a way of doing things. You could just make an exception for your goat. Twelve in the same way that the box clearly done If you're green bay so put it all. Together if gouda coons brian gouda kunst the the the chief grocery shopper there in green bay and and and the supposed- target of rogers biggest problem. What stuck in. Rogers crawl the most if he had a moment to just be thoroughly. Truthful stuff's not going to get out. He could vent. What do you think you want everyone to know albert. What do you think say. I think he would say. Look at our rosser right. I think that's what he would say. I think he would say what what we've done like you were upset early career that the team wasn't more aggressive in free agency. We brought into daria smith from baltimore. Preston smith from washington and adrian name. I was from chicago. We also put an offer sheet in front of kyle fuller that in workout. We've been aggressive since i've been the general manager that's number one. We are drafting. Really well right now. And you look at the younger players on the roster guys. That kenny clarke sean. Gary j alexander You've got infrastructure here. We've held onto our own you know. We've drafted devante atoms and we've drafted david acciari and you know like you said rich aaron jones. And we've paid those guys so you know. I think what. Brian gouda would say is look around and realize what you've got here because the grass isn't always greener on the other side and i mean let me ask you this rich if you are starting fell team. How many rosters would you take over the packers. Take the quarterback out of guys about to say that. Okay take the quarterbacks out of it right. No if you're a quarter quarterback and say you're a quarterback so thirty eight year old record yet one year to win right. How many places would you go before you go to green. And there's no question that if let's say rogers is having this problem in indianapolis. Let's just use a any team in the other conference. Yeah let's just say he was the goat and napa lewis and the general manager they. Let's just say chris. Ballard was in the role of gouda kunst even though they're totally different people and he's looking around. Where can i win right now. He'd look green bay. You know what. I'm saying like so so i. I don't think there's any question certainly since anybody who is late in their career doesn't wanna have to change their routine. You know what i mean. You have to want to change anything that they they they they also know the facility but they also do see what brady did after twenty years and they want that you know so i don't i guess again. What what what is. What's the answer. only twelve knows. Only rogers knows that. That's what it is the thing. That's what makes it so unpredictable rich and you know we've we've talked a lot about you know The last five months. I think it was. I think it was adam that had the tweet earlier in the off season. About like half the league's quarterback situations potentially being influx You know and i. I think it's fair to say it's probably been kind of happen. Half right like hats of what we thought was going to happen have happened at half of what people be thought might happen have happened right so i just i think the other pieces the people failing to look at look at the situation of the teams that traded quarterbacks and look at the situation of the team that did detroit traded. It's quarterback then on a total rebuild with first year coach. The eagles traded their quarterback there in a rebuild. The first year coach the team had seattle older head coach and has been competitive consistently and a lot of players. That could be wagner's. Jamal adams that are in their prime packers. One of the best rosters in the league. A lotta guys at twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine years old in winn now window and so. I think sometimes when we've looked at kind of the way that the quarterback movements happened this off season and all the you know the cage rattling all that different stuff that's happened. We're looking at is look at the teams willing to move their quarterbacks worship versus the teams that aren't willing to move for x. The ones that are willing to move. The quarterbacks are kind of in a i. Guess to- your hands up and we're starting over type of place right. That aren't teams that the more resistant. Why are they more resistant. Well because the rest of the roster you look at the restaurant. What's fair to the rest of the ross. The pair was fair to the muslim roster. That's been competing attending for last year's is to hold the whole with the quarterback. You know so i. That's the piece of it that people are missing when they're when they're looking at all this and even like you look at houston does shawn watson. And maybe they'll just to listen to sean lots of now. Why would they move on from a twenty five year old. You know this quarterback other than the obvious legally part of it is steph. Nick caserio and david collier completely starting over there so like i just think that one piece of it that people haven't paid enough sense to is not the spot the players saying it's also the spot the teams before i let you go. Albert breer great column yesterday on the genesis and the completion of the julio jones trade. You could boil it down to a few minutes here Why did he go. And how did he get to tennessee. Best you can tell. Yeah yeah. I think i saw something from your show yesterday where you're talking about the price right. So it's a two and a four or six coming back with them. And i know i know a lot of people will look at that and say well. Wow like you know. Why couldn't we have him for that I think it's complex. You know and i think part of it is the price tag How much he costs. I think a part of it says injury history the fact that you know he he probably isn't going to be able to practice for you day to day. You're going to have to manage a certain way. Which certain coaches have feelings about their best players being an position especially when their new Yeah but i think the the the the the the main thing is the age. And you know i've looked back at this Over the last few weeks there have been eleven trades of non quarterbacks for first round picks over the last four years right. Every one of those players was twenty seven years old or younger Julio's thirty two then. I went another five years back. The oldest player i could find the previous five years. Where jimmy graham. Who's twenty eight right. I can't find a non quarterback in. Nfl i just couldn't find one. Maybe the one. I couldn't find a non quarterback over thirty in nfl history who was traded for first round. Pick it's right around the league. Is we pay as generally. An elite doesn't four dick draft capital face. It that's why the price tag was where it was and You know. I think the other important thing to remember here and this is sort of lead that column. This has been two years in the making. And i don't think that anybody should be pointing the finger at who at terry font know or or arthur smith in atlanta I think this really goes back to contract negotiation two years ago when quietly at one point julio actually asked outset this two years ago He's basically told the team. I wouldn't mind being traded if we can't get a new contract done and really think that ad showing affect the relationship between the organization and the player. And then you know. I think the one guy who is sort of who does confidante through all. That was dan quinn big once. They fired dan. Quinn and. I'm not saying they were wrong for doing once. They fired dan quinn last october and that was sort of the last pieces of relationship. Maybe the last piece of jenga tower getting pulled out you know. And i think at that. Point sorta played. Where the falcons. We're going to have these cap problems. Got five guys on the roster dion jones cheek matthews grady chair at matt ryan and julio jones with huge numbers julio wanted out and i mean it because of where he was in the way he felt about everything it made sense to move him over the other. Four did the falcons freak when When he said what he said on the air without knowing he was on the air did they. did they lose their. They were upset. They were very upset. I mean i can tell you that because they they'd worked really hard to kind of keep most of this under wraps and to be able to you know. Keep it quiet that the julio wanted out for almost two years Or the tulio would ask for that two years ago. And then you know the the face to face conversation. Or the the man conversation that arthur smith and julio jones had where you know arthur basically promised. Julio were not gonna but this out that you've asked for trae In fact they worked so hard for two and a half months to to do that. The whole thing came apart because julia was caught off guard and did know he was on. Tv thought he was just talking to a buddy is on the phone. And if you've listened to julio's tone bridge. I'm sure you could pick up on. That's one sounded like he thought the second was You know that's why the falcons were so upset about it. I don't know if it went to the league. Or we talk fox or anything like that. But i i do know I do know the falcons had a pretty big issue with with. Julio being put our either man appreciate it let's Let's catch up next week. let's keep doing the. There's lots going on. Lots of mandatory minicamps over the next two weeks so thanks for the call. Either man you gotta rich. At albert prayer on twitter i follow. You should too eight four four two zero four rich number two. How many have heeded the call to call into the show. We take your phone calls when we come back. And arthur smith what a quote on julio jones. That's coming up here on the richeisenshow. Are you still playing football. He's still doing I not really. No i i. I'm in a league. But i don't i don't control my buddies controlled for me. Okay so i get. I'm part of it. But i don't have time for his league. Is this group of friends from high school. A at me and my buddy cote cocoa team and he really runs it for me. Because i know we've had conversations about this before and that there are some interesting I guess tasks that the loser of this league must undertake. So are you if you lose. Even though you're not part of the data they hold me to it absolutely. I don't. I don't even know if i can tell. You is on my team right now. But dom if i were to lose they would they would absolutely hold me to it and we'd have to go take care of business. What are some of the Fails then i guess that you have some of the responsibilities of the losers of your league. What is last year the loser Go to alaska for day. What do you mean like for a day. Okay you want to a place called nome alaska. You've never heard of it. It's no. I think i've really editor on. It goes through so so the looting race. Regardless of the geographic spot in the united states would have to four day. Get on a plane and prove per proof of purchase of the ticket and then take Hundred i mean there's there's tasks involved it was i think he went in march Okay but it was. It was the whole thing and that was just one year. I was just last year this year. It'll be entirely different Object checking with you. Let you know. If i'm in that. But i i hope not owed not well as there anything about what other previous years. Any other examples. Because that's amazing. You have to go to nome alaska that the year before the year before the loser you know. are still sports as roughing rowdy the boxing deal on that at the super bowl year. We were there he was. He was fighting in the in the in the boxing on friday night before the game. Only go this. You do not want to lose your fantasy league now. That's why i tried. I tried to pull off faith in my body on the last time we interviewed. Jared goff is the rams quarterback coming up next hour. We interview him as the lions quarterback. First time new faces a new place. I would agree with that. I would agree with that Eight four four zero. Four rich is the number to dial here on. Nbc sports on peacock every single day. From dan patrick show taking you to brother from another right here on the nbc sports on peacock channel. If you're watching us we appreciate that back here. On the rich eisen show radio network along with our peacock audience. 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What's on your mind sir Well first of all. I haven't talked to percents. But congratulations on not having my sweatshirt. that's a recognized the spelling and you're the guy you. What do you do for a living again. You drive a truck around. I drive each street delivery some booth delivery guy. You still wearing that sweatshirt that you don't ever really wash. It's your Sweatshirt mr wearing out. It's been about ninety degrees. So i i've retired for the summer okay. I told you. I wasn't going to eat that thing. I told you that the that the forty niners. We're gonna use their third overall choice on a quarterback. I even pegged the actual quarterback before many others did so. You're correct okay earn. That's how confident i am. What's on your mind So yeah i think From the packers standpoint I think it was fair like we. We all saw like for those couple years that maybe it was rogers on the decline and Now that we kind of year yet last year like i don't think it's an issue like they shouldn't have to feel like we wasted pick it. They move on from like love like they should be happy like all you know. Rogers is still good. So let's let's go that route and You know we'll do something else would love from like i was initially kind of aggravated Like at the beginning moved on since then when they said. Oh rogers hasn't had enough weapons. 'cause you know i'm just not on that i'm not on that side. He's got adams and jones and Even guys like you know that we know better here like scaling and stuff like he proved in a couple of times in the last game like he's got brickley speed that's right he can he can get and so But yeah that that really hasn't been an issue I guess the only thing that's concerning for me right now Is just kind of look like One of the things that he started off. Kenny main thing was he said he was a you know a connoisseur of flowers and you should roll them up and light them. And you know like Like gordon josh. Gordon's career got ruined by like being finer being under. I smoke marijuana like that. I don't know just and and you know being happy and being in hawaii and stuff. That's all good but just like the big display of it all. It just doesn't feel like i'm just wearing from the standpoint maybe heads not in the right place you know. Let me help you with that one erin. I think his head is in the absolute right place and whatever reference. He may have made i. I wouldn't leap to anything you know And i appreciate the call. Thanks and you call back and you keep driving your your route and you keep on putting your sweatshirt on the line with the takes here on the rich eisen show I i think it's heads in the right spot. And he's not you know it's kinda crazy like athletes were putting it out there like. Do you think aaron rodgers when he's hanging out with the tellers should say. Don't put that on. Instagram wouldn't wanna live my life like that. You know what. I mean like an. I don't don't put that out. I know we're all hanging here in hawaii and we're all like yeah. Don't dopos out there. I mean my my situation is just like he's bothered to screw it. Screw it you know and that guy at that his point in his career what does he care. But but we should but he definitely doesn't want the errands a. r. i. ends of the world to sit there and think his head's not in the right spot or whatever and i think he's he's probably gonna alternately rest on is that he'll get back out there and he'll show he'll show and to any he'll he'll show that his heads in the right spot honestly he's he's in hawaii with his his his fiancee and friends. They're living their best life. He's not putting it out there like every single day on his instagram feed. You know what else. He's putting out there helping small businesses. that's what he's also put out there. Toe here's here's the deal Also and i'll say this gingerly all the packers fans who might have thought that aaron rodgers was regressing. Spent some time in my shoes every now and then okay you can't. You can't talk chris because you were water skiing behind the ultimate yacht for twenty years and now we were good for okay. I'm sitting there. I'm watching yesterday. Zack wilson like zero. One into one of his many tight ends in red zone beautiful diamond. I'm like wow what time that was in. June and i'm living in donna can be the right thing can be the right guy just was that was at davante. Adams tweeted out. You got to enjoy what you have when you have it in some sort of cryptic message when aaron rodgers. I said what he you know what. I came out on draft day. Rich and appears tight. End with ryan griffin looking. Tell me what's out on a rope where this everyday pack enjoy what you have and i know that rogers was forcing the ball in and i know it wasn't looking so great. The end of the mike mccarthy are all they got rid of the coach incomes new guy and they won twenty six regular season games and gone to two straight. nfc championship games. Now you're going to be watching video of jordan. Love singing it in to a big bobby tanya same. Hey maybe that's the right guy now. You're in my shoes. you're not going to enjoy it. i'll tell you that. And that's what. I rogers is kind of banking on a little bit. Here is that gouda coots wanted joy. it either. Dave and freedom wisconsin. You're on the rich eisen show. Hey rich how you doing. What's going on dave same old stuff. Different day really rampant. Green bay is trying to figure out. His anti rogers is anti packers. What who survey line. Here's where i'm i'm anthony stupid and that's what's going on right now. You have to wickedly successful businesses and they have the same goal and that's to win more super bowls arrogance in eagle for business people to get past at a very very tough thing to do the camping. That's what they need to get beyond well. I think we're not there yet. And i appreciate the call dave Call keep call back. I took your call unfortunately right before the radio audience gotta go away for the hour. We'll be back in our number. Two eight four four two zero four rich. That's a perfect way to put it. You just gotta sit tight for another month. And you're gonna see our rogers golfing in montana with shambo and brady and filler. Gonna light him up and they'll have some yuks and then you're gonna have to sit there and see what happens in training camp but this robbers can eventually meet the road. And i do believe it's gonna wind up with rogers back in green bay. I just feel that in my gut. Our to coming up with jared goff. We're still here on peacock. golf match. Rich is what of rogers is wearing. Not green bay colors people are going to parse that out like what if he's wearing an orange and blue combo or or some other teams color scheme. You know that's gonna be picked apart you know it's going to pick apart well. Rogers is going to have to get ready. Because brady's already shown he will go there being the nfc championship game moment. Where rogers was taken off the field and out trotted the field goal unit. You know he's already willing to go there with the shambo on capita and mickelson dovan between kapka and dissemble. And they're ready. And rogers is gonna he's gonna hear it you'll hear it. I'm assuming barclays part of the broad. Najib i would imagine what Sam jackson jackson will be back again all that. I've heard a rumor that they've reached out to gronk to be part of a to go baby and that you know they adding no to be part of the broadcast while i think like the roger mopey like. Why shouldn't you like yet there with the big old with the with the monster antenna. That's awesome like that's what i'm hearing. I don't know if they're gonna pull off or not. So i mean it's going to be anything goes and we'll all be there in a front row seat watching it and loving it and it'll be great but it's common and that'll be another moment of our friend from freedom. Who just was lamenting about. He's anti stupid and it'll be another moment. Where rogers or like aaron said that rogers is putting it out there and the out there putting the it out there is anything other than football and rogers is going to be sitting out there. You know and it's going to be another one of those moments and it'll be another one of those moments where some packers fans may get it off but you know what would you turn back on. Is if roger shows back up again. I'll just say this. Everybody thinking that rogers is going to turn off the packers fan base. And they'll never come back together again. Farve and the packers are fine. Now to use a phrase that was born here in the cinema from the city of los angeles once upon a time farve and the packers were very far from okay. Very far from okay. His green bay privileges were revoked. And they're just fine. Now our to jared goff coming up.

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Lakers Crush Heat In Game 1 Of NBA Finals

Lakers Nation Podcast

53:41 min | 1 year ago

Lakers Crush Heat In Game 1 Of NBA Finals

"Bleeding purple and gold from the Heart of Los Angeles is the lakersnation.com podcast with your host Trevor Lane. Well, that was a good start Liquors dismantle that Miami Heat 116 298 my boss this what a blowout win for the Lakers to start the series up one nothing against the Miami Heat now, obviously, I don't know. I'm already seen the comments coming in here with your joints from YouTube from Facebook from Paranormal toss your comments or questions out as I'm seeing a lot of people say not finished. I'm with you one hundred percent. This series is not done. This is one game have to win three more months, but that being said it's hard to script a game much better than that from the Lakers perspective. They decimated the heat so defense they shot really well from outside. They defend them. Well things went right for the Lakers tonight and my own we've talked for a while about what the Lakers ceiling is when they are really playing at their very best. That's a scary scary thing because they played extremely well tonight in game one against the Miami Heat. We're going to break it all down talk with you guys again, if you're joining from Facebook from Periscope from YouTube Welcome, and we're going to be talking about Lakers basketball directly with you. Don't forget guys head over to lakersnation.com as well for all the latest breaking Lakers news and do me a favor subscribe to the Lakers Nation YouTube channel Chris the Masterpiece Masters joining me Chris. It couldn't be much better right? I'm going to ask how you're doing. But I already know you're doing great because of what we just saw. You know, we're awesome Trevor. We are awesome right now. Unbelievable. I think one of the commentators actually called in tonight a Laker Masterpiece and how fitting that is that exactly what it was the first six minutes that he had things going. I think they got up to it actually a double-digit lead. But from that point man the Lakers hit him with a three-point barrage, they figure out that zone and everybody contributed man. They're they're like, I was telling you before we went on I don't think there's not a third guy necessary that stands out everybody kind of did their thing tonight. We were talking about before the game who's made some plays he's better passer than we've been giving him credit for and I don't know it was just beautiful man. Like it's hard again. I I don't want to jinx anything. I don't know how to look past the opponent, but man, it's hard to think that we're not to be planning a socially distance parade this year the Lakers find there's a lot of birth. About this going to come out of this and I don't know that it's a good feeling right now. I know it's one game, but I'd like to see the Vegas odds on the Miami Heat all those off to be changed quite a bit. Yeah. That's that's going to be it's going to be looking like a real long shot after what the Lakers just did to the Miami Heat but I will say this like I know everybody gets on my case for being the regression guy right back. I think the the Lakers probably shot a little bit been will get into percentages. I think the Lakers shot better tonight than we can typically expect them to better than their average. I think that's safe to say I also think Miami didn't shoot as well as they normally can't add a lot of his credit to the Lakers defense, but I think this series is closer than what tonight would have suggested. I don't anticipate every game being like this. I think the Lakers are going to have to really fight year, but I think what we saw is if the Lakers are at their best and Miami is even a little bit off. It's a blow up the Lakers are going to crush them if Miami's at their very best and the Lakers are a log . That's where things get evened out and that's what we were kind of wondering what was going to happen should also mention though. They Miami heat loss Goran dragic early in the game to a foot injury. He was getting x-rays. We don't know the results just yet. They also lost bam. Adebayo who's a huge part of their team to a shoulder injury again? We don't know the results. Jimmy Butler also rolled an ankle and this is already a team that uses a very short rotation off poster uses a 7 sometimes 8 man rotation and now you've lost two players from that rotation at one that's banged up now and those are our three or your key pieces. I mean drop Jake off Butler and at a bio, so I'm hoping for good health for all of them. But if any of those guys are out that's going to be a major blow moving forward for Miami. Oh, yeah, definitely is I mean, yeah, like I don't think they have they can afford all those guys to go down and then like even Jimmy Butler I think you had mentioned but Jimmy Butler rolled his ankle and I was surprised to see Spoelstra put Jimmy Butler out with minutes or seven minutes to go in the fourth quarter. I thought that was kind of ill-advised cuz I mean now you're already at those guys are down already got a skeleton crew and you lose Jimmy Butler there goes the series so I don't know it's not looking good for the heat, but it is definitely looking good for the purple and gold right now and man. It's just this is a long time coming Yeah Yeah a hundred percent. I and I like I like that. You said earlier that everybody contributed and you're right. It wasn't, you know at one point. I looked at the first half it every single Laker who had in the game at one point and I'm talking I think it was eight or nine guys, except for Dwight Howard had hit a three everybody all of them were contributing and that was something that we talked about in the pregame show before birth. The before the game we talked about. Okay, who's going to be the third guy? You're right. It wasn't really a third guy for the Lakers tonight. Everybody was the third guy Frank Vogel likes to say the third guy is the open man. And that was true to the open man killed the Miami Heat tonight and it didn't matter who it was it didn't matter if it was Markieff Morris if it was Caruso if it was kuzma kcp everybody. Danny Green was hitting but I think the biggest indicator of just how good this night how well this night went for the Los Angeles Lakers Dwight Howard was dropping dimes Dwight Howard dropping dimes inside to suck any Davis that is how good of a night it was for your Los Angeles Lakers amazing stuff. Well, that was one of my favorite place to see which white with the drop-off to a d just because you're not used to seeing Dwight as a playmaker like that and like it was it was very symbolic for just how much we were cooking. Like they really just a man the second and then you know, they were really cooking the second quarter but then the third quarters were just got like out of hand, you know, everybody just kind of knew there was just no coming back from it. So I don't know, you know, I don't know what the Heat's going to do to respond to this. It's going to be interesting to see but wow, man, you know, like well off James A D like the future looks good. So if if I'm Frank Vogel, I'm doing everything I can to try to keep the team focused because you saw they let up they started get sloppy in the fourth quarter, which is understandable when you're up by that many points, but you have to hope that doesn't have like a hangover effect where the Lakers come in and game to not as fulfilling like Hey, we're in control. We got this. No problem. And Miami comes in playing desperate, you know, it's not over. That's all I'm saying. That's that's the only way that you know, I don't know I was thinking this goes five thousand five games initially and that's exactly a scenario where this could grow five games is Lakers take their foot off the gas pedal, which is human nature. Sometimes they did it tonight, but they had a comfortable lead. So they they kind of played up to that. So, you know, if the heat are going to take a game it'll probably be because of that right and you know, the Lakers were even to lose a game to the heat. I mean, we know how the Lakers response to a loss and then yeah, we might not even need the Black Mamba Jersey series. I don't know. I don't say that. I still want to see him. Those are my favorites know what you know, what you break it out on Thursday 10/4. We're running 300 gosh, that would be a lot of fun. Okay, so we are going to give away some of our lakersnation.com license plate frames tonight. Okay, says Mamba Forever on Thursday. Crustacean, if we pick your question all you gotta do you could shoot me an email. My email is actually on my Twitter account. You can see it Trevor at medium large l.com. You can email me there send me your name and your address or you can shoot me a DM on Twitter with that information as well. Let me double-check here. Let's look for a few questions and we're going to give away our first license plate frame of the night. Okay. This is my question that I've gotten. So Marvin Chavez says, why is Magee Inn the doghouse not even playing in garbage time. So a lot of people have been asking about Javale McGee off of and Java's all you gotta do shoot me your info again. You can send it to me Trevor at medium large L A. You can email it to me or you can shoot me a DM on Twitter. My my Twitter handles are send me your name some of your address and email account as well. And and I will send you one of these so Chris, what did you think about that 0 minutes? We saw two minutes in game five against Denver for Javale McGee z e Tonight for Mickey there is no more joint McAllen because Gmail is not really. Dwight can earn that starting spot and then I'm actually still in this from you because I think you broke it down to the game. But you know when they had that line up with Maurice out there the defensive verse Melody is when they made that big run right like so I don't know. I think I I text you at how time actually about the same thing as I wonder if I was going to get some point but it wasn't because I felt like we needed to develop was more just cuz two rails been a good part of our team and I want him to get some vitals minutes you felt bad for hurting. But yeah for the guy I wanted to be able to get some minutes out there. So I was hoping you get to buy don't know that's the recipe for the series based on everything. I just mentioned. So, what about you? Yeah, I think that in this game when things really turned because remember Miami like a lot of people are going to forget but Miami had a thirteen point lead at one point they came out on fire. They were hitting everything from 3 everything that the entire game script looked like if Miami could could plot it. Out perfectly if they had their ideal game the first six seven minutes of this game was that it was exactly what Miami wanted to see and when it changed when it shifted was when he got pulled that I thought Dwight did some good things in the second half, but when Dwight got pulled and you went to Markieff Morris the Lakers switched up their defense a little bit in terms of getting Anthony Davis more on the ball in more of a situation to be a downside rim protector and then that also opened up the offense because it stretched the heat out a little bit their zone is all about Walling things off and keeping the Lakers out of the paint you notice when they pulled white and wintery Morris suddenly that opened up some driving lanes and the Lakers were getting to the hoop and then it also helped that the Lakers any time that they had it open three-point shooter. They were knocking them down. I mean they went into halftime shooting 65% from 3 song Beat by that point. We're just I mean, they were shell-shocked because they were getting just bombarded by threes. And then if you get out on a 3-point shooter, the Lakers are getting to the rim, so I don't think it was a dog. Personal against JaVale. I think it was just that was the game script for this one at this may be the past moving forward in order to win. I don't think that was necessarily done. But you know, it's it's hard to argue to change what we saw tonight. Like I'm not if I'm Frank Vogel, I don't sit down and look at this game and think gosh, you know, we really could have used JaVale in their Europe by Thursday 2 at one point. So until something switches on the floor until Miami proves that Gmail needs to be in there or the Lakers proved that they need him in there. I'd I don't know if he gets those minutes ma'am. And you know, when you lay it out like that it almost reminds me of a boxing match. It's like the heat came out and they delivered us their best flow and then the Lakers just responded and then piled off like I just I mean, that's really what the whole game was the he came out that first six minutes and they gave us You know their best shot and then Lakers responded and never look back. So to me as as the former history teacher when you when you describe it like that to as the caves tried to knock us out right at the beginning and then we and then we came back and and and went after them tenfold had sounds like Pearl Harbor Jimmy and that's oh yeah, maybe we should make you know War analogies or anything like that. But but same kind of concept the heat through everything at the Lakers the beginning and it looked good for them. And then the Lakers just went. Oh, okay. Well, this is working for you guys. Let's let's let's do this. Let's let's do this this and this will tweak here here and here and we're going to go small with the guy. Who's what six nine 6:10 and Markieff Morris and we're still going to punish you out there. So cool to see. All right, we do need to get into some stats some Lakers stats. Let's jump into that one right now, and then we'll eventually give away another one of these license plate frames. Here we go home and Lakers stats All right. I have a feeling this is going to be a short stats assignment because spoiler alert the stats look very very good for the Lakers. They only ended up shooting forty percent from Deep because they missed a whole bunch of them in the second half of the game. But by that point the game was over they had they had their spike in three-point shooting and they're regression all in one game, which you normally don't see that much but 45% from the field. I get one point they were shooting like something like sixty percent from the field and 65% from 3. It was crazy 54 boards for the Lakers killed them on the glass. But of course the and the Miami Heat also missed a lot more shots wage than the Lakers did only 12 turnovers. That's fine. No problems there eight blocks Anthony Davis 34.9 boards five assists a d was fired up. He played with some passion. I liked what we saw of him. He was to remember there were a number of times where it was just physical grit determination under the basket. It was almost like he was offended like if we were to use Michael Jordan's words, he took it personally am He didn't finish the first dunk attempt to have grabbed the ball and go back up strong and at the very least get fouled. That's the kind of aggressive media. We like to see 10 of 10 for the freedom line twenty-five for Lebron 13 boards nine assists because nothing could score he was trying to get that 10th assess and nobody was putting the ball in at the end of the game. They're thirteen for kcp including some big threes with the Lakers were down early to get the Lakers jump-started back going to 6 a.m. During but they I mean you mentioned it Chris across the board. Just pretty even scoring 11 for Danny Green with four boards two steals three blocks for Danny Green three of eight nice performance from him, but I would log. Yeah, he had a nice walk in there and agreed that he really did. You know, Chris we hear all the time about people complaining about Danny Green. This is what this is it. This is the Danny Green Earth that we were hoping to see we saw him tonight in the NBA finals and you know, if he shows up like this every single night. I'll take it. I'll take that. I'll take a couple of bad weeks of from Danny Green if it means he's going to show up like this in the finals. That stat line is perfect for Danny Green. Well, I feel like we've talked about this before. Yeah, we want Danny Green. We just we needed him. You know, I want to see he's a postseason player, but we just we wanted him to come up in the big moments and I just feel like we have a lot of veterans on home team and they recognize the significance of the moment. They recognize it was Game 1 of the NBA finals and they stepped up and even the guys that weren't veterans man. Like who's and Caruso man like it's just amazing job from everybody. You know what I mean? Like, I can't say a bad thing about anybody Morris has been so awesome for us. Every time that Guys open on the ark I feel like he's hitting his shots. Yeah and contributing to be changing the look of our whole team and he's out there in terms of when we run small. So and you mentioned kcp kccp came alive for as early man. Like these guys really came Sharp home and awake and I I don't know. I mean just what they put out there the second and third quarter man, like unbelievable amazing amazing stuff and then the fourth quarter that I mean I might wage About the 4th quarter stats, cuz that was some garbage-time the entire the entire quarter, but you know, you mentioned Markieff Morris two or three from deep and those are big shots to be able to step in and shoot two of three from Deep those that that makes a difference in the fifties Kentavious Caldwell-Pope stew out of six shooting for deep. That's okay, right 33% but it's not so much the percentage timely. It's yes exactly Chris when he hit those man wage workers looked like they were on the ropes early. They had taken a shot from for the Miami Heat and then kcp stats steps up and sinks a couple of Threes that turned the momentum of the game. So his shots were really big for the gifted things twenty-three points for Jimmy Butler and a 213 shooting and five assists. Oh, he was very solid Jae Crowder started off unconscious from 3 was hitting everything 12 points though on the night for of seven shooting eighteen former nun. That's that sort of sport. He got now that was in garbage time. But if dragic has out and I'd say I think he's going to be if his foot injury is this significant none is going to get those messages. And he got a lot of confidence to finish this game eighteen points and 20 minutes is pretty crazy. And then you've got Tyler hero puts up fourteen, but very inefficient six of 18 shooting on Thursday night and lastly talking a little bit about the points in the paint. The Lakers only had 38 246 from a me because they were shooting so well only 10 fast-break points for the Lakers but again, everything went so well, I'm not going to nitpick nitpick on those things Chris stats that stood out to you before we move on to the fans own again. Just seeing everybody kind of like at Los. I look at the points of everybody. You know what I mean good contributions from everybody balanced LeBron and AD obviously dominant 34.6 and 25 from the Bronx. But what more could you ask for? I mean, that's it absolutely just it was total dominance physical dominance it the Lakers looked like for lack of a better term the Lakers looked like the bullies out there dead. Right, they looked like the stronger. It was a it was a varsity versus JV kind of feel for most of the game because the Lakers were just so much more physical than Miami wage. So that was certainly something to behold. All right, guys, let's get into the Lakers Nation fan Zone. And the first question we pick is going to be getting a lakersnation.com license plate frames. So right now all of your questions, that's all we're going to focus on is all of them coming in from Facebook from YouTube from Periscope. So hit us up. Let us know. What do you want us to talk about? Let's go we're entering right now into the Lakers Nation.com fanzone off. Lakers Nation bands own All right, here we go. So enter the feds own seeing all kinds of questions already flooding in here from Facebook from YouTube from Periscope I'm seeing Seeing a lot of questions. But I'm trying to find a good one. We can really sink our teeth into here. People are already asking about the MVP for the series. It's one game and it's one game people one game. I'm not ready back there just yet. A lot of people ask you about the finals MVP. It's really just gonna read about it on that. I mean it's going to obviously be LeBron or a d but we'll see as the series plays out. Yeah. Yeah exactly. There's there's still a lot of basketball left to play people asking about trading for trading kuzma right now tonight. It's not that night about that to talk about that one. Could I just get the sweep? Yeah, I mean Daddy Green Bay fans. I saw that I saw that what okay, here's a good one Samuel Korea from YouTube Samuel Korea same Trevor. What's the key for our success for the rest of the series? So Samuel send me your info man. Send me your let me know your address and I will shoot you and your email address and I will shoot you one of these choices you were with living within the United States will send you one of these lakersnation.com license plate frames. You can shoot me an e-mail Trevor at medium large or you can send it to me via DM on Twitter wage. Okay. So what is the key to the Lakers success moving forward? I mean, obviously if you shoot a ridiculous percentage from 3, like the Lakers did for most of the night tonight, like that's that's a good thing. But Chris, I don't feel like my stance has changed all that much I said before the game that the key was the defense for the Lakers and if they got stopped that was what was going to age. Or their offense the Lakers best offensive weapon is their defense as forcing turnovers getting in transition and going from there and they didn't get a lot of fast-break points tonight, but I don't think my opinion has changed much on that Chris. Did you see anything that that you thought? Okay. This is the key for the Lakers moving forward. Not necessarily. I mean again, I don't think I don't know throughout the series they're going to shoot as well from behind. The arc is tonight. There is what our USA the regression to the mean. Yeah. So, I feel like again and that goes back to what you're saying. So there that might not necessarily be working for them every night. So what they're going to want to be looking to do when they're not shooting like that is just get defensive thoughts get out in transition and then I would look for cuz I think you said Miami had war paint points. I right. Yes. They did. Yeah, so I would expect if anything to change maybe maybe the Lakers ended up, you know, scoring more transition Point solid points in the paint. It could be something that changes. You know what I mean? Cuz they don't they don't shoot like this all the time. We all know we've been watching every game so we choose but when they do it's unbelievable, you know, because it just they just open up the game like crazy cuz then they still have, you know, defensive and transition points on top of the 3-point shot so birth I don't know. What about you? You know, that's a great Point Chris. Like when they do shoot like this, they're they're basically unbeatable. And and I've already already seeing the comments coming in on Twitter people saying, you know Lakers haters saying, you know, the Lakers are lucky that it's Miami if it had been Boston or even have been Milwaukee, they'd be in trouble or if they had to play the Clippers in the office. Then they would be looking so good if the Lakers shoot like this, I don't care who they're playing they are winning now, but like you said you can't count on them to win that so if I'm Frank Vogel my message to the team still get it done with defense and on offense focus on the paint touches and that has been Frank vogel's model for a long time. Not so much. Hey we have to score in the paint, but get the bull off the paint from there. You're either going to get a look at the basket at The Rim or the defense is going to collapse and instead of shooting a you know, maybe a long two or a three under duress. That's contested. You're going to get an open shop. So I think those are the things that I'm focusing on. I don't think I changed the focal point lunch, but you just gotta remind the guys to keep doing those things that make you successful don't look at this game and fall in love with the three and assume that's going to carry you through the series. That's not the path of success for the Lakers. The path of success is defending like crazy and getting the bolt to the paint when you are forced to pay to play half-court offense that that's it to me. I love that you brought up all the critics. So, you know who are going to point out all the things you just talked about cuz I mean, you know, I don't care what they say the Lakers at this point are proving that they are the best team in basketball in the bron. James has also proven that he is still the best player in the world. Yeah. Yeah, that's and that's a great one. That's another talking point. Right like Giannis antetokounmpo just got the MVP few weeks ago and LeBron is showing the world right now that that he's still the best player. That's that's more. That's what's happening. All right. Let's get into a few more questions here. Hey guys, they are going by pretty pretty fast here. By the way. I'm going to try to pop over to Twitter and see if we can get some updates and some of those injuries and things like that, but I haven't seen anything just yet and gave me a vistara said do you think LeBron and KD played too late into the game? So Chris, would you prefer to see LeBron and Anthony Davis on the bench more when that would that lead or or would you have preferred to see them not go back in? I mean maybe a little maybe take him out a little sooner because that's the only thing that could worry me about this series is an injury to all Lebron or maybe you know what I mean at this point cuz that's the only thing that could jeopardize it but I never I didn't feel at all about LeBron or led the way I felt about Erik Spoelstra keeping out Jimmy Butler out there which kind of irresponsible and and very, you know, I don't know risky, you know given the ladies already heard. Yeah, given that he's already hurt. So it argument could have been made to take out LeBron or maybe a little sooner but you know luckily they didn't get hurt and everything worked out fine. So and my mom it's the finals right like you're not worried about the rest of the season. It's we have to secure this win and what you don't want is something, you know, Miami goes on a big run and they did start to go on a little bit of run and next Thursday. It's like a a 14-point game or something and then you're putting LeBron in Eighty back and you'd rather let them just kind of carry you through but a little bit of breaking news here from Asia Bush gave me SPN. My name is Goran dragic has suffered a planter tear of his left foot but dragic has been able to put pressure on his left foot and has not ruled out returning to walk in the NBA Finals, but I don't know like I have never dealt with a planter Terror before first time you ever have you ever had any planter injuries? I see I I'm not really familiar with that wage. And quite frankly. Okay, so I'm not sure how serious it is. Okay. So Jimmy Butler his comment on the planter tear from about Goran dragic. He said this is from my buddy Jared choice of the athletic said with or without Gore on we're still expected to win. We know we still can he's a big part of what we're trying to do. But until we can have him back we gotta fight even harder we gotta even this is 121. So Miami is not they're not going away. Like Jimmy Butler is saying we can still win this thing. I still have belief in myself. I don't and I wouldn't expect anything less like wage Laker. This was a blowout win, but the heat aren't just going to crawl off into a corner and cry themselves to sleep. That's not going to happen here. The Lakers are still going to have have to put this team away. They're not going to just go away. I just reminds me of what we just talked about. I mean, I feel like the only way the heat get a game in. This is if Lakers get very relaxed and for any one of these next coming games, they kind of take their foot off the brake pedal cuz they think they have this wrapped up and he'll give them a rude awakening and then I'm sure we'll bounce back from that to Butler also said this he said about Kendrick know looks like he's going to be in the rotation. I sure hope so so kind of looked again. He put up 18 points in what twenty minutes that's that's a guy the Lakers are now going to have the game plan for and and see, you know, see what he's going to bring to the table. All right, let's get into a few more comments. People are already saying Master Lock Kyle kuzma Crest. Am I didn't have a problem with the waitress by tonight? Like yeah, I guess you could have maybe wanted some more offensive to him. He was born. Yeah, it's shooting was poor. But I mean he made some plays. I mean, I don't know. He didn't anger me or frustrating outside. You know, he didn't shoot. Well, he was what I believe one of seven shooting but but I'll tell you what kind of saved the day for me for Kyle kuzma was his work on the glass Kyle kuzma did shoot 147 104 from Deep. He did hit a big three at one point but eight boards to assist one steal MP3 points. He was a plus-11 like it's not an ideal performance, but it wasn't terrible including was some of that shooting go for that one per seven. We were already in garbage time. Yeah, I mean like cuz I I remember one 3-pointer you took and this is a point we already up for like my money or something like that. So I get it people get frustrated. But you know, he also he got a couple of says he got some boards. I mean, you know, it's his first final choice I and I don't know. I don't know and he he also had one of those shots and obviously just one but one was a half-court heave with the at the buzzer think it was at the end of the quarter birth. I'm getting comments section 145, it's coming in saying saying a planter fights faccia terror is is really difficult to play with and and that sounds right. I mean if the bottom of your foot has torn that would be very very difficult to deal with so unfortunate for for him. But he does sound like he wants to try to still play one person saying it's not painful but not crippling bottom line that that's a rough obviously for dragic who would start for dragic and a question for Daniel Martinez from YouTube who will start for tragic and add a buyout at a bio if they are both out. So dragic, I think it's pretty clearly Kendrick Nunn. I think he's going to start he's started most of the season for them. So he's not just some random scrub Off the Bench or anything this game is really good. In fact, he was right there in the Rookie of the Year race. He's a good player. He's just been out of the rotation, but for a Dubai, oh, they don't really have a replacement for him. I mean you saw what Kelly Olynyk in there? Yeah, like I hope he's okay. But if a tobacco is out those Vegas odds against the heater going to be astronomical. Let's get it a few more of these questions here. So people saying Dwight is more important to our success than people think. Yeah, it looked white did some bugs out there. Even though he Ali he technically didn't take any shots because he was fouled on his shots. He still did some some nice things for them. Very win Lakers three more minute for Kobe. I just like that song. Yes. Yes. Yes somebody asks, how were the referees in this one? I didn't talk much about the referees in this game if at all because they weren't really a factor didn't feel like I don't think I didn't think there were a lot of calls that were terrible but I did think there were a whole lot of calls that were just controversial to begin with OR would even close. I felt like everything was pretty clear now, maybe if it was a closer game I would have been paying super close attention to every foul but overall. I feel like the referees were just fine in this one. Somebody making the comment. That's Miami. Look tired too by the look like a little bit of that as the game went on unless they were just so physically outmatched. I think part of that too is they were down by so much. It's hard. It's really hard to have energy when you're getting beaten that badly. So I think that's that's certainly part of it. Okay, somebody asks, how did the Lakers adjust to the zone so quickly? Well, okay. So I don't think it was like Frank Vogel went into this game. And I don't know for sure. I haven't talked to him but I don't believe the Lakers would go into this game saying here's our solution to the Zone our one and only solution and if this fails well were just done I would imagine they had multiple options for dealing with the zone and for and for handling that and option one was getting Dwight Howard to the dunker position and hopefully still getting the the into the paint and being able to drop the ball off to him and it worked that way. It didn't work at the beginning of the the first quarter. So then they went to the second option and that was go small space the floor up with some Shooters. Hope that they can knock down some of those shots and then you're really going to stretch The Zone then you're getting into the teeth of the defense and dropping off to Saint Anthony Davis because Dwight Howard is out and that's what that's what worked. So again, I don't think the Lakers just on the Fly made that up like Frank Vogel didn't just just pop that out of his head and go. Oh, I got it Eureka know. I think they just went on to their second playoff. Sure. There was a third plan and 1/4 plan and and on and on and on so the way they beat it was basically by going small. But again, it wasn't like some groundbreaking thing. They they knew like hey if this isn't working, I'm going to go try this. Now you could really see that zone when Morris it hit his three. You know now they couldn't close out on him on time. They were trying to close out on two people and Morris drain that shot. Hey, there's a comment in that I think reminds me of something that that was really key Andres a picture from YouTube said, how about Duncan Robinson zero points Chris. I was I was legitimately concerned about dunking it said because he offers a few things. First of all, he's got good size for Shooters 6-7. He also has a very very quick release and he's got the ability to get his shot off on the move. He can be coming off curl. You can have his back to the basket. He turns and fires very quickly. So that makes him extremely difficult to defend behind the arc and I was worried like hey this guy if he starts shooting threes, he's a 40-plus percent 3-point shooter in that could be a big problem for the Lakers. I really appreciated the Lakers defense on him. They were very prepared to deal with him. We saw guys glued to him whether it was kcp. Danny Green, whoever even Dwight Howard. Reached out on one point to stop a shot from going up. The Lakers defense was locked in on making his life miserable and in 27 minutes, he was oh four three zero points for Doug Robinson that that is going to get it done. I was so happy to see the way they played defense on him. Yeah, totally and am I pregnant a rubber was LeBron hunting for him on those switches or right? Yeah. Okay, so that that made sense. So they really kind of like a beer Simpson. I've been there. Yeah. Yeah. They they by the way guys if you don't know what we're talking about what the Lakers will do when they know that Miami is in Pac-Man and they are in a switch mode, which means if there's a screen The Defenders are just going to switch you'll see LeBron at the top a few feet behind the three-point line and he'll it he stands up there and he's dribbling the ball and he points and he calls out who he wants defending him one-on-one. And it's it's one of my favorite things. It's gotta be horrible. If you're the other team if you're defending him abroad is standard on the floor it really that's that's what it is. It's like it's like he's a kid at recess and picking his team and he's going not him. Not him that guy. That's the wage. I want right there. He's picking his victim and and we saw him do that tonight against the Miami Heat. Whoever is guarding. Whoever that players Guardian. It's Duncan Robinson and he's guarding Danny Green that thought he LeBron appoint and Danny Green runs up and sets the screen for LeBron and forces Duncan Robinson to switch and LeBron goes thank you and just dominates them. They did it to Lou Williams earlier in the season. It's it's got to be infuriating to go against it. But as a as a lift from a Lakers perspective, it's it's a heck of a lot of fun seeing let's just go eenie. Meenie miney mo and decide who he wants to destroy that possession. Oh, I just love it too when he does get this rich and he starts kind of sizing him up. It's like, oh boy. What is he going to do is just kind of drive it to the bucket or is it going to pull up like? Oh man, you feel bad. You've almost feel bad for that guy. But I mean with the NBA Championship on the line. That's yeah, by the way. I've got a quote here from LeBron coming from Mike trudell, LeBron Jersey. Satisfied with winning one game. How do you like that? I love it. I love it. That's the Mamba mentality right there. Let's go 3 more Yep 3 more socially dispatch, right? That's right. That's right Mamba mentality one game. That's nothing gotta finish the job. I'm going to see if I can dig up any info on on bam. Adebayo here. Let's keep digging into some questions while we're at it baby at a biome shoulder injury was was negative. So that's so that's a good thing for him. We don't want it either guys hurt. You don't know. You know what I saw Jimmy Jimmy Butler with his name that we don't want that even as Laker fans. We don't want that like we don't want Jimmy Butler out, you know, we posted Four Winds, you know, we want this team. We want everybody healthy. We want them to have you ever compete and even a Laker fans. We want a as good as the series as possible. Yeah. I agree a hundred percent. Like I don't want seems to be going into the offseason saying oh or eight people to be going to Thursday. Man, it's a Lakers adjust. You know, if they'd played a full strength Miami team having that little asterisk. I don't want that. I want to beat them at their best. No. Okay. Getting into a few more questions here. All right, here's the one I was looking for Yves. Boom from YouTube said do you think Kendrick Nunn will be a problem next game? What do you think about that Chris? Like how often. Obviously put up a lot. I mean eighteen points at very quick order. Are you concerned about that at all? Like do you think that's going to be an issue for the Lakers next game? I wouldn't say concerned I would say, I mean, he definitely if nothing else has got some Rhythm tonight, which will be good for him. And I don't see it being a problem. I mean he'll maybe helped her offensive production, but it said he's not going to make a difference in terms of you know what I mean? As far as us losing the series I don't I don't see that. I don't see him making that huge of a contribution for it cost to get a game. For instance. I'll say this I think that and I and by the way, I think Kendrick known as a very good player, but I almost obviously him putting up eighteen points like that that matters that tells dog He is dangerous. But he also did it when the Lakers are very clearly taking their foot off the gas. They were they weren't that locked in at that point. They were up by a town. A lot of it was in kind of garbage time. So I do think he's somebody that you have to pay attention to but I wouldn't expect him to do that again to drop 18 points every 20 minutes. Like I I wouldn't anticipate that coming out of them again, especially once the Lakers now they you know, they were game planning for Goran dragic now before the next game they're going to go game plan for for none assuming that they're going to see well more than none of him. So I thought oh that was bad. But yeah, I think that they're going to they're going to be more prepared for him as well. So dimensioning Tyler hero will have a big one. Let's do one more question Chris and then we're going to get into the master Wok of the night cuz I'm already got people asking about that. Okay? Somebody said drug tragic tore his Achilles. No, he did not he tore his plantar. Fascia. Somebody said that was a bad one Trevor. Sorry, but like hey, it's been a long day and I am locked in on the Lakers all day. So I'm going to I'm going to have some some low moments here that somebody said Trevor's got the dad joke game on lock. Thank you. That was a bad one Trevor from Patrick off. That one. Yes. I'm calling you out on that. I'll take it. I'll take it from YouTube said do you guys think LeBron pushed the gas pedal all the way up tonight? So what do you think was this month's NBA Finals LeBron that we saw tonight? Was this LeBron at the very best of what we've seen what do you think? I don't know if it was LeBron it is very best. But there's one point I would like to point out now that you mentioned LeBron it was LeBron with three minutes left in the game. They messed up a switch and Miami Heat got this easy buck, and I think a lot of People caught up and he was like yelling like he was not happy and it was you know, it was just it was surprising cuz you I don't think you see LeBron that aggressive that often thought that extent that's almost a little more Kobe actually and also with three minutes left in the game and they've already obviously got it so that just kind of I don't know. I don't know what about that, but that told it showed me something about his level of focus for him to be that intense with three minutes left in the game when you already clearly have this one so I don't think this was the game that you're speaking of now, but I think what brought us going to have a game that's absolutely spectacular in this series. We're we're just like, you know, I don't know if he goes off or forty or something but it's going to be it's coming. I think I think you make a good point there. I think that's one of off top my head three pieces of evidence of evidence that we have that LeBron is ridiculously locked in. All right number number one. Yes. He is yelling at Birth. It's because he's mad over a missed switch in a blowout game at the very end. Like that's unbelievable looked at right and then number two, we've got this post-game comment where he says, we're not satisfied with one wage. That's that's also that's a great thing to hear. Right? But here's the third thing. When was the last time you saw LeBron smile? I don't think I've seen him smile in a while like it like not last round not this and maybe when Anthony Davis hit the buzzer booty three against ever game, too. You're right. You're right. You're right. It's like Kobe inhabited his body in his like I don't know like seriously. This is the most I think we've seen KO BS we've ever seen LeBron and you know, I don't mean to keep turning into that black man. Like it's just he's like you said, he's just focused and he zeroed in on the task and you had no cell does but no Smiles sat on the floor and they won the Western Conference wage a lot again the way he yelled. I mean they adds a blur they I mean the the show went quiet for a good seven seconds only that the Outburst she had so I mean, you know, it's not like he's taking this whole, you know, this mob mentality the heart and applying it to this season with the Lakers fan and really just ready to close this out man because he knows right. I mean like he's going to be dead. This season has been so long that not only did we have the whole Narrative of LeBrons turning 35. We're almost to the point where LeBron is turning thirty-six because he's thirty-six and a few months in December so long this is this could be and I hope it's not but it's possible. This is his best chance to win a championship Father Time's going to catch up at some point and he understands what this means to his legacy mod right way now with a third franchise and it reopens the goat conversation with Michael Jordan and I think that's always I think I wanted to see LeBron get to them but I've always said that if LeBron can get to with us just to I feel like that edges him into Laker, you know, all time Lakers status because of the relevance of that page it'll mean in terms of us passing the Celtics in terms of the timing of it with Kobe. I just a lot of different factors here. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. I think that at 2 would be dead. Amazing, but but let's get this one first. Let's get this. All right, Chris. Are you ready? Are you ready to put somebody in the master lock? Why not? Let's do it. All right Master Lock of the night. Here we go home and pack. All right, Chris the Masterpiece Masters who is losing Consciousness tonight who's getting put in the master lock off? Okay. Well, there's a lot of ways we could go with this obviously because of what the Lakers provided us tonight. It would be very easy to go out there and just say that the whole Miami he organization. Master like but we're going to know what down a little little more than that and honorary secondary candidate I'd say for tonight's Master Lock was bam adebayo just because he's been such an effective wage. Part of this team, especially in that last series and the see what happened to him tonight and we don't want him hurt sure. I'm not saying that at all, but he did, you know, we did not see the impact. We we saw from him in a Celtics series, but after you know, we just went through this show and we talking about the game it it became clear to me that the Master Lock of the night clearly went back to Duncan Robinson. Like we loved him down. I mean and you already went through the stats. I don't know if we held him to what what was it just three points or something like that. No points had no points off three shooting for deep. Well, you can't get much more massive than the master light than that a big donut in this foreign column. Duncan Robinson gets the Master Lock of the night. We don't necessarily need him to come to bath so cuz he's not one of our guys. So whatever happens to him from here on business that but, you know, generally Master like the whole Miami Heat, but I wanted to know that down a couple more. So there it is. I like it. I like it. I'm getting a lot of people trying it in saying yes say yes about Duncan Robinson and also people saying they didn't like Jae Crowder. They thought he was being a little too physical with the Broncos thought they were a few like dirty plays here and there so that's definitely something right for them. Yeah that guy for them, right? You know what I mean? Like they gotta have somebody out there getting physical mixing it up. So, you know, I guess that's his job. So somebody just ask Trevor. How will the Heat adjust to Anthony Davis from here? I think they're going to do everything they can to try to keep the ball out of his hands. We already dead. I'm doing a hard double as on the catch against him in the post, but I think they're going to have to pay even more attention to them. If bam is out, there's nothing they can do. I mean that's yeah, that's just honesty like like bam is in and you just put bam you say your job is to defend Anthony Davis. We're going to sacrifice your offense in production. Okay, you're going to have a bit of a battle. They're you know, Anthony Davis is still going to win that war. But if he's out, I mean there's there's nothing to stop him. Yep. Yep. All right, let's do one more question. Let's give away one more lakersnation.com license plate frame before we call it an evening here. So we're going to take one more question given this what a what a way Mom but forever liquidation.com. So next question that we pick all you got to do is you got to send me you got to send me your info. You send me your address. You've got to send me an email address and and your name shoot it to me on Twitter. Send me an email with that as well. You can send it to me Trevor at medium large l a. I can barely get through that. I've been I've been thinking too much Lakers all day today. Okay question is finding some good ones here people still asking about the MVP not ready to go there. We'll see that'll be more for four months. Yeah, hopefully before thing so discuss nobody is asking how strong is Dwight Howard shoulder because bam Brannon join our shoulder to shoulder and Bam got her apparently very strong. That's not the question. We're going to go with their I am seeing that some people asked him. Why do we go with no Center cuz it works. I think that's an easy an easy one. Okay, here we go. So I've got Lisette Roman Gardner from Facebook what adjustments will the Lakers make with all of Miami's injuries. So let's set. All you got to do is shoot me a email Trevor at medium-large. Send me your info. I will send you one of these lakersnation.com license plate frames or if you don't want to use email you want to just DME on Twitter. You can do that right off there. So let's set his asking what adjustments will the Lakers make with all these Miami injuries. So if all those guys are out if you're the Lakers, how do you adjust sometimes we see guys who are on the page step in and play. Well, I mean that that happens sometimes the next man mentality can work out. So if you're the Lakers, what do you do Chris if you've been preparing for dragic for out of bio for Jimmy Butler and suddenly, you're not seeing those guys, or maybe you're seeing less of them. Well, I mean the the only thing that really stands out to me at this time is if you got bam out, I feel like you're really going to be feeding a d even more at that point and having him go to work off cuz I don't know, you know defensively I don't know what they're going to do about that. So I think we're going to see Jimmy Butler again. I don't think with the way he rolled his ankle that they're going to be missing him. And I guess I will be out at was saying nothing going for him. I don't know. It just feels like it bam is out man that you're going to be really pound. I mean, where is there Rim protection? There is a main router that router but at router is yeah, they would choose Leonard miles Leonard. I mean that's That's not I mean, that's yeah, but do you think? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think ultimately the Lakers they would just study those guys Tendencies right Kendrick game take a look at what? Okay, what are these guys tend to do? But overall if those main pieces for Miami is out are out. It's going to be an easier time. I do want to update real quick. Anthony Davis has a quote very similar to LeBron. He Anthony Davis said the way the Lakers closed the game tonight was not a championship mentality. It was a blowout win and Anthony Davis is upset with how they closed out the game. And I love that. I'm like that is not ridiculous in any way. This is winning an NBA championship game. So to be mad at yourself for not closing out the game in a blow out the way you wanted to that is the attitude that you need to have in an NBA Finals series. Oh, yeah, they're showing all the signs around they get it, you know, and it's going to translate. I mean we might have a bigger blow out of one of these games. Imagine if they played the way they did in the second and third for a complete-game roof. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that would be that would have been would have definitely been really really bad. All right guys, let's let's call it there. Let's kick things up. We've done 53 minutes of of this show. So that's I think that's a pretty good show for a blowout waiting for the Lakers appreciate all of your questions and comments coming in for Facebook from YouTube from Pep. Obviously great start to the NBA finals for the Lakers now, but again, even though it was a blowout it is just one game. I'm expecting Miami to come back. They're going to throw some different things that the Lakers next game and we'll see how effective those things are. But again nice win Lakers fans can feel happy about that one, but the job is not done three more. Let's get them. All right. Make sure you're following Chris at Chris Adonis on Twitter at Chris Masters 310 on Instagram. You can follow me and Trevor underscore Lane on Twitter at Trevor Lane NBA on Instagram follow the Lakers Nation Accounts at Lakers Nation counter and Facebook at Lakers Nation official on Instagram. 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Roundtable Talk Of Make Or Break Players In The NBA

The Hoop Collective

46:31 min | 3 weeks ago

Roundtable Talk Of Make Or Break Players In The NBA

"Hello welcome to the duke collective podcast we talk about the nba. Which redoing on wednesday morning. I for the first time in almost three years in my hometown of akron. Ohio on the road. Sorry wow even. I was to to make that joke. Listen to akron is a great place to be from joining us from dallas texas. You may as long as you. Don't stay i said could place be from Is that's banned mcmahon. I don't know if you're banned in akron. But i think i've got the clout to get you banned if you want. Nah i think you did before the decision and then they turned on your book. I'll give you a howdy partner slightly disagree. I write what to do with the decision. I'd have anything to do with it. Hey you don't gotta convince me but The the folks hometown they've got. They've got the pitchfork still. I believe i think it was. I don't think. I don't think akron had the same venom as cleveland Just for the record. But we're not you. You had already ditched acting to go to the big city paper anyway. So that's true. That's true Joining us from boston. Massachusetts is a guy who actually spoke at his hometown. High school graduation this year. He's very welcomed in his hometown was going to if one of us is if one of us has one of us grew up on a farm farm town i would say it's me so growing up graduating class at three. He was the third one invites speak. That's that's exactly right but attempts actually grew up on a farm mcmahon went to a boarding school. I will not stand for persecution akron ohio. You know what. I found out my boarding school. The football program went kaput. You said this last week you're now having senior moments man toil now. We now have multiple senior moments on. The pilots is disappointing. Though i'm i'm like in shock the how do you not consulted famous. Alum when you make these kind decisions right while. I'm sure if you were willing to offer to pay for the program say probably probably has to do with my generous contributions gotta be very trying to influence Schools who know that you're a public figure Speak from From experience on that all right so this week so we have training camp starting in a in a week. Bon temps going to seventy sixers opening training camp. What's going on on a secret. Bontemps ben simmons warmby one a law. The seventy sixers added to make a. I'm going to nets opening of training camp With sean marks revealed to bon temps yesterday. That won't include some players because they're not fully vaccinated and show. We'll bond sam's what was your report on that. Well that's that's partially right. So sean marks said yesterday. And i asked him if all of his players could practice as of yesterday because of the New york city vaccine mandate which says that to work out in any kind of jim including barclays center or madison square garden. You have to have at least one. Cova nineteen shot. He said there are obviously a couple of guys on the team. Who would not be interesting word. Paid obviously obviously very. I would say i did. He say he said you wanna guess who did not clear that that that being said the nets have a little bit of wiggle room here. Because they're actually holding training camp in san diego and playing the lakers. I think a week from sunday So they're not going to even be in new york until the following tuesday or wednesday for practice and they don't have a regular season home game for over a month at home so they have some time here to get this sorted out and sharks did say For the record that he does not anticipate this being a problem. Once regular season begins. Well all certainly be something to monitor as we go he also anticipated having kyle rian in hardened extended by now so he did express optimism about that. But i've done what they are not done yet. Hey listen maybe everything will be fine. Maybe on opening night everybody will have their extensions and everybody will have their vaccinations and everybody'll be playing. If that happens it'll be great. We'll focus on basketball but they are not. Listen the the nets. Are i think clearly the favorites to win the championship. And it will be nonstop. Drama much of unnecessary all season long. It's just too dramatic team and all around and mcmahon. You're going to maverick started mavericks. I might make a quick trip down to galveston texas to to check in on the On the little rockets that could Some point next week but you know how our bosses do get back on on travel. Requests aright settle down. Okay so we're about ready to get to get hog wild into this but as we're starting the season Bottom said this idea. And i liked it which is rare He he said that you know we take a look at some of the guys in the league this year who are swing players who depending on how they play could really affect how things go for their teams And there are quite a few and this really. Could you know this could affect a lot of the way things go this year. We don't know necessarily where guys can be really good in elevators team or not be as good and pull his team down so Bontemps i'm gonna let you pick one to start off with we're gonna go around here This this is interesting topic. Yeah i mean was. We'll start with the team. We're just talking about sort of where. I'll be on monday with philly and the two guys there that i think both qualify for this tobias harris entire smacks attire. Smacky is obvious in that. He's the second year guard who had some pretty impressive moments as a rookie. at times. Look really good in summer. League and with ben simmons out for who knows. How long has he goes into this. Holdout is certainly to step into the starting lineup. And we'll have a lot of eyes on him is philly tries to be a pretty good team without band to try to prevent any additional pressure on them from having to make a move before they want to tobias harasses. A guy who is in on multiple occasions thought he should be an all star last year. Thought it should be an all-star didn't make it and again if phillies going to keep their heads above water without ben they're going to need oil to be healthy and planned like you always does and they're going to need one or both of those guys to step up and play At a high level to make up for simmons's apps. You know. I i think maxi much more so than tobias harris because we i feel like we know what tobias harris hits He is a good player. A go with very good. But he's not a. He's not a franchise cornerstone. He's not an all star. He's not a superstar You know honestly if he's your second best player boy embiid better be. Mvp for the for the sixers to be In the title picture. Whereas maxine is a guy who and. We'll see. When the ben simmons saga i end what they get back in return. Whether there's you know a starting point guard coming back and that pack whatever maxi regards. I think is going to have to play a major if not a starring role a major role after being kind of a bit player last year. And you certainly saw flashes I believe he was a teenager last year. So i mean there's plenty to be encouraged about but to me he's the he's the great unknown there where i feel like harris. We know what he is. So the the sevens but every every executive that i talked to right now says to me. What are you hearing on. Ben simmons and i'm not getting a lot of information from them. Which which is. There's a lot of talk about right now. I don't know if there's a lot of action so obviously we're going to see a fresh level of action when training camp starts next week in bontemps. Is there asking tough questions. But she does something interesting. Would you mentioned yesterday. Sort almost in passing and his report. That simmons was definitely not gonna report that the seventy sixers could withhold salary From ben and and that seems obvious. If you're not playing. She withhold salary but as we've talked about at the end of next week october first. Ben simmons is do a payment of eight point two five million dollars based on his contract. He gets twenty five percent in july twenty five percent august october. First and bobby marquesa said and i think with grounded reality here that if it were his front office and ownership that he's worked for ownership wouldn't make that payment and that this is an unprecedented situation because unusual to have a contract structured like this as obviously unusual to have a player completely holding out With this type of situation so you know they can find him you know they can nickel and dime find him and then eventually as you get into you know week two three the fines increase but if they don't give him that money next week which i have to say. If i was the owner i would be like well. He's not fulfilling his under the contract. He's not here. So why should i fulfil mine. The owner the sixers would absolutely be in breach of Of of contract. And ben could take them to arbitration. Which is was laid out in player contracts. And say you owe me this money but the arbitration process takes like nine months so that could be a again. I'm not worried about ben. Simmons missing a mortgage payment. But i'm just saying it'd be interesting salvo that i think will only increase and the fact that this is the discussion that we're hearing in the league. Which is what are the salvos. That simmons and the sixers can do each other about. Money is not an indication that this is getting near resolution is often divorce where we're just getting going in the process where they're throwing the trump. Might you know you you you see ugly divorces and nobody ends up happy except for the lawyers and you know. Obviously this isn't necessarily situation where maybe lawyers will get rich. What happens is what you're talking about but my point is i think when when this thing is finally resolved whenever that may be and it feels like later than sooner is probably win i. I don't think anybody's going to be happy. And i definitely don't think darryl more is going to be happy. I in terms of getting anything close to what. Frankly seems to be pretty unreasonable. Asking price of four a guy who is an all star but not a superstar and this is the ultimate sell low situation on the other thing to remember here is that this is the first time this has ever happened. And that's why there's a lot of chatter about what sixers do financially as far as simmons's money and all this other stuff because this is going to set precedence going forward if this happens again. So that's what that's a big part of why there's so much interest in how exactly everybody candle system. So that the but the thing about it is the concept that the sixers are operating under is that they can find him into coming back to the team and i don't think that's going to be the case. I don't think we'll be able to find him back into and remember just because they announced that they find him and then they don't actually pay him doesn't mean that later on he can't get that money back either. As part of negotiation to return to the sixers is a great start to the nfl season. 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We'll go to madison square garden and the newcomer. The knicks kimball walker. Which you know. I think it's pretty clear cut. They had a They had a pretty significant need for another playmaker. Had a significant need not to play a second for the oklahoma city thunder He was able to come back home. i'm sure he's got a little bit of a chip on his shoulder. Based on the way things ended in boston. And you know honestly. I think this one's pretty simple if he's healthy. I think he can really help the knicks. But that's a big. If yeah no. I totally agree. I mean look he he last year. I got a little bit too much criticism for how he played The celtics like a lot of teams surprised with how quickly the season resume. They thought he was gonna. It was gonna come back in january so he was on a knee strengthening program. The hat ready to come back in mid january and then season started a month early so he missed the first few weeks of the season but when walker was on a court last year averaged nineteen and five us pretty good. I mean he wasn't necessarily a max player good but he was good and now he's getting paid nine million dollars a year so if he can give the knicks that kind of production. He's going to give them a huge boost to their offense and for a team that we saw play the hawks in the first round and really struggled a score. You i'd him and evan as you new starting backcourt probably off. It's going to be a lot better. They're gonna play defense under tibbs. I think the next have a chance to be pretty darn good again this year. Yes so Considering that the knicks added kemba you know to to that team and then they have. Derrick rose stable there as the backup Even if kemba can't play certain games they have to feel a lot better about their point guard position. And you know maybe kemba is not going to be that. I mean remember a couple years ago. Kendall was voted in as a starter to the all star game Maybe he's not going to play with his knee. Also getting boxing one by the raptors in the second round of the playoffs and demolished. Joel embiid and the sixers in the first round that first year boss. Yeah and the ball so he was not long ago that he was seen as a star player and look he obviously had the knee issues. That kept him out of the end of that first round series against the nets and the issues hung over them all last year. But it's a lot different when you're making thirty nine million when you're making nine and i think that that's that's the thing like if he if he can play anywhere near the love you either. Level played last year or higher for the next. That's just a huge boost for them given they had to give up absolutely nothing again. Yeah so you know. Certainly for a bike. The knicks who the difference between winning forty two games forty seven games potentially is a massive swing to not only their postseason hopes but the but where their their season as viewed kemba might help them win that two or three of those extra games and if he does that it will have been a terrific signing swept his. Wait and see how it plays out. But i definitely think he's fit squarely in this Mcmahon well he's also guy who he has a pretty strong track record of being a score but being a guy who can hit big shots and they're gonna play a bunch of grinded out type of games you know so i my guess is he will hits big shots for him to to you know. Make the difference in two or three games for sheriff so the guy wanted to guys. I'm looking at if you listen to this podcast. You know that. I talk about this die a lot. And that's tyler hero from the heat The heat of obviously upgraded This off season Picking up kyle. Lowry I still think that they really need a reliable third offensive option because even though obama at a bio is a really good multi-talented player I'm not sure that he can be a difference. Maker at the end of the games offensively and we saw basically the last couple of years. That when jimmy was jimmy butler was playing and healthy and he was able to be offensive difference maker. They were completely different team. And you know jimmy. Hasn't you know hasn't wasn't healthy last year. And you know he his offense. Frankly has become more defensive playmaker offensive playmaker at times so they just need a little bit. More spark offensively The you know at times and that he has for hero comes and he doesn't have to lead them and scoring he doesn't have to you. Know shoot forty eight percent from three point range now but there are nights when doug robinson doesn't shoot well and there are nights. Jimmy's doesn't have it going offensively. They need that guy to flip them up his stats. Weren't that far off last season than they were even during the bubble When he had a couple of big time games is overall numbers. Weren't that far off. But he set the expectation that he was going to improve and grow and since. That didn't happen. It really you know get let let a lot of people down. He also was battling a neck injury some other stuff during the year so look this is his third year. This is the year you prove in the nba. That you're going to get paid He needs to do that. he doesn't have to be great by needs to be very good. And that to me is a big factor in eastern conference. What tyler hero does. His stats actually ticked up from his rookie year. But not from the bubble. And you know people i think as you indicated the bubble kind of felt like it was a springboard for tyler hero You know we will see over the long haul whether the bubble was was just kind of a you know his shining moment his exception weather. Maybe he was a a bubble star. As i say perhaps a a young man who benefited from the lack of distractions in the bubble. Yes but then he had a A certain instagram model. Join him in. The bubble of who by the way i believe. They now have a child together -gratulations but she joined him in the bubble At continue to play well. So who knows. I mean yeah. This system is very simple. If tyler aero is anything like the player he wasn't a bubble than he have a real weapon and if he's not i mean it's a big disappointment for that i mean it's that it's that simple like he. He was a difference making player for them. They're in way that he just wasn't last season and frankly he wasn't during the regular season in miami before going there like that that period of his career totally stands out into your point brian. We'll see this year where he's going be in a six man role off the bench where he's going to have to be honest. Answer a lot you know. Can he produce like that or is he just kind of You know nice scoring guard. Who is a rotation player. And that's it. Which certainly isn't a bad player. When you talk about guys who could be swing guys like for a heat team to thinks it can compete with brooklyn in milwaukee. They need tyler hero to be the version. He was in the bubble if they wanna make that difference for him. It's a difference between making like twelve or fourteen million a year and making twenty five million a year right so i mean regardless of what should be on his plate right. That's right yeah. Regard like hero is a high quality late lottery. Pick right now. He's already proven that the question is is he going to be an absolute steel. I mean is you're going to be. I mean donovan. Mitchell was it was a late lottery. Pick devin book was a late lottery. Pick you know came. They're all thirteenth back. All three of those guys can he vault himself. If if if in doubt with late with the thirteenth pick pick a guard who went to college. What was banned. Wasn't he like about yours. For he was he was fourteen. Yeah but just to kind of put into perspective. What expectations were and what. The buzz was around hero A year ago. I'm pretty certain that the rockets had more interest in hero as a potential. It would have been hero plus a hell of a lot more but who was a potential centerpiece in hardened package. Then they did. Ben simmons a year ago. This time. brian would rather had tyler herald in the wall. And i mean i'm not. I'm not even saying apple's not be going and i'm not. I'm not saying that to make too much fun of them. But i think that there i think i said too much but i. I don't think you were alone in thinking. That was the case like he. He really lifted himself to a pretty high place with his play. In the bobbio. Ball's shooting shooting was horrifying. But i'm just saying much that he ended up being mellow was really good last year and surprise people with how he played to a degree and disappointed. And so let's see you know the i you know to your point. I think no last year he shot you know thirty one percent in the playoffs from three the shot thirty six shot. Thirty six from field are thirty. Six three during the regular season You know he. I mean he was. He was a solid player but people were talking about him being a solid player. Coming out of the a hito he has that dreaded ten pounds of muscle. You'll be reading about up to now. Buck seventy five well again. I'm not going to be good deal with but but you're going to see the alleged ten pounds of muscle. I mean not legend. He's definitely put on some strength but it doesn't necessarily mean changes game but Okay bonds inspect you. I mean i'll go to dallas. We'll talk about Mcmahon's favorite player allegedly according to brian process porzingis. I mean this. This guy is the definition of this topic. I mean sure. We've talked about it. Some on the pod. If porzingas can get back to the player he was on the mavericks traded for him and he could be a true second star. With chris or with luca dodge. You can make a case. I think the dallas could make the finals this year and if he is not that player all the sudden this team which traded a couple first round picks for him. is looking at luca dodge and a bunch of role players and they're paying porzingas thirty million dollars the next couple of years and the kind of stock and you know that's if that's really the that's really the swing case is it. Can this team really compete for the finals. Or are they gonna sort of be a team. That's tread water in the first round no matter how good luke is because the supporting cast just isn't good enough around him in porzingus is the one guy who's really got a chance to leap up and be a difference making player for them with that group. And the and the swing. There's a lot of going on porzingas to me you know. It's it's not just about his health. Which is obviously a huge. If it's not even just about his production but just like the. The vibe between him and luca last year was not good. And i think that's one thing that rick carlisle was particularly ill equipped to deal with because the by between rick and porzingas one good vibe. Between rick and luca wasn't good. So how the hell are you going to manage the vibe between those two and they both you know aren't aren't on the same page with him. But that's gotta get right. And i i do think some of that's on luca just to you understand the situation. You had the ball in your hands. You know you gotta feed you gotta feed ego sometimes as a point guard. It's just the way it is but For all the focus on porzingas offense. If he's a guy who averages twenty and ten which is pretty close to last year and sufficient and he's a plus defensively. Okay so bad defensively last year. And you know you talk about kimba the timetable. Phone him off coming off the of an injury you know. Porzingis was coming off the surgery again. They thought it was going to be a mid january started. Wasn't he wasn't ready for the start of season. He hurry back. He was limp around on one leg and was an absolute bullseye last season. If porzingas is terrible defensively the mazar. The master stuck being a pretty good team with no clear pathway to get a whole lot better if he can be what he was. The previous year defensively bontemps. I think you're right. I think they're asleep or threaten the west one year from now training camp. Two thousand twenty two or porzingas. Be a dallas. Maverick mcman man. I'm not expecting you to have like an ironclad answer. I'm just telling you in my mind. It's a question. yeah no. I think we'll know i. I think that's an answer will know in in april right like i mean i think i think until we see what he looks like the season. I think it's hard to know. But if he is a good enough then you know you're the i would say the odds are that he won't be well but but but i might even go the other way like right. Now you can't trade kristaps porzingis because you're gonna get well. You could not not as a team with with aspirations to become a condemn right. But i will say was angry when i when i talked to leagues. Operatives porzingas is kind of on the watch list l. For sure you know. Is this guy going to become available. I mean actually. Well you're right. But your point mcmahon if he doesn't have a good year your trade in for other newt neutral value. Maybe for other guys. That aren't that impressive for something. You're not right it's not. You're not turning them into pieces. You need to complement luca to be a title contending team in the west. I shouldn't say you can't trade porzingas. Now what i will say. You can't trade porzingas if you plan on becoming a contender anytime soon. Because he either needs. Unless you've got some sort of sorcery or some guy that you liked it right. nobody else. he's there he's there path is their path. He either has to be that legit co-star contender caliber co-star which he showed flashes of You know you look at a twenty one game span. Late in his first year the mavericks. He's averaging twenty seven eleven two blocks you know forty seven from the floor thirty seven thousand three like. There's that player that we've seen but you know. Twenty one games is is pretty small sample size you need to see that over seventy games that applied to play in the rate of the season but easy the gotta be that legit co star or the ticket to a legit co star and right now the first is a hell of a lot more likely than Than the second based on his value is contract. And i'll say this at the end of last year porzingas wanted to be traded. I my understanding is. He is ready for a he he he feels like he has a fresh start with the coaching change. And you know he's had the healthy off season he's been able to work Not just on on his game but on his body some more You know that that he's coming back with a with a refreshed feel but at the end. The last jedi the refreshed field september. It's a great thing migo but no that at the in the last year he wasn't gonna come out and and ask for trading. He's smart enough to understand the optics. He's already done that one exactly but at the end of last year when he stood in the corner and check the win for an entire playoff series. He was hoping that the he would be traded from what i gather. He's coming back optimistic. Now all right so okay. You're up mcmahon who's your next guy analyst. Well we were talking balls. Let's get let's get to the richest ball brother if not the best ball brother lonzo. Who pretty much along crusoe has to try to make sure that the bulls don't give up one hundred sixty five points per game. Yeah when you're making eighty five million dollars you are a core piece. And they gave up a assets to get him and he was clearly job. Get charger tampering to I will say that One of the thing again in talking to lee executives in the last week or so people say hey. What do you think is going on with tampering investigation. You know the league opened it on the bulls. Pelicans deal involving lonzo and the The raptors of heat deal involving Kyle lowry it. It's it's a little bit of an unusual situation. I mean they open investigation in july. So it's been a while on august. Okay august okay That's right phrase. It was the way Messiah it's been a while but it's been a while the raptors president. I believe in his press conference a few weeks ago said that he turned his phone over that the league for the phones which they warned that they would do when they warned about cracking down on tampering and What's unusual about this. Is that the there was sign and traits. So you know the the. Pelicans acknowledged that lonzo was leaving and trade him and the raptors acknowledged that kyle was leaving and traded him. So you're saying well. Who's the aggrieved party even if there was tampering. Which of course there is in the nba. These multi layered deals and negotiations. That are tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars. Don't get done and hampering has allowed blatant obvious tampering. The league's going to pretend like. Oh no we can't have. I guess that's true. But so so the question that i asked is will who's aggrieved. Who's the brings party. And i was hands. Well what i was told was the other teams that could have signed lonzo ball or could have signed kyle lowry Weren't able to do it because there were pre royals tamper. Oh yeah. Hey the mavericks didn't they didn't have any contact with kyle our camp before the signing trade went down trial. I'll okay so like yes so the maybe there will be. You know the bucks got hit on this and they got hit for a second round pick in a fine and maybe we will have something like that happen here. And it's like that's not quite a slap on the wrist but it's hardly a you know suspect the penalty will be more severe in this case because the team's got the players in this scenario and if you just make it where in talking to also if you just make it where everybody just gets a slap on the wrist matter what happens then why would anybody listen to the rules at all. So okay so. That's a lot of people watching to see what happens. It's going to be very interesting to me and let me just say that. Adam silver adam. Silver typically does a press conference every summer after the owners meetings Even though we're not in a typical cycle still This summer they had virtual owners meetings and he did not speak to the media This week there is scheduled owners meetings. Which is the standard thing right. The thursday friday before the start of the season they haven't owners meeting It was actually from what i am told scheduled to be in person in new york and then recently they decided i haven't heard whether he's maybe by the time this podcast comes out will for that. There is going to be a press conference but if they're if there is adam silver will be asked about. This tampering investigation. And we will we will Get an update on it but it will be interesting to see if the bulls have to pay anything more than they did for lonzo but the point right the point is is that they're already paying a lot for lonzo and so they need him to be really good. Yeah and honestly. I liked lonzo in new orleans. I still so yeah. I don't i don't understand why they were so determined to get rid of him. I mean it's not just letting him go Because of the the like they were trying to trade him. And i just to me. Law is lonzo a franchise cornerstone built around it. No but i think he's really really good complimentary player. He's become a very good high volume spot up shooter. You know he's gonna space a floor he's gonna get shot and transition which really benefited zion. I mean all all the hoops. And then i don't know that he's a shutdown defender but he's at least a quality he's a plus defender was at eighty five million dollars words. I i don't know. But i i think on a on a bull's team loaded with offense of talent. He's at least a good fit. The walls are making a big bet on lonzo being a The bills are making a big bet on lonzo between A guy who could take another step and can be a guy can get out in transition in in the open court and can play defense. Next zach levine. D'amato rosen and above average. Starting point guard. And you know they've gone all in on keeping sakhalin by getting lonzo ball and getting. Marta rose that. I mean and getting nick usage. I mean that's that's a big bet by their front office and those of those three bets. I like lonzo the best. And i think he makes the most sense in part because he's not over thirty days you know he's nowhere near that he's he's still young and more fits the lamaze. He's definitely a nice fit alongside those guys especially because his weakest part of his games creating in the half court on they've got guys and they've got two guys that can do that now if he could start getting to the foul line som- instead of never That would really help biggest game forward a lot but you know at this point. It's probably unlikely that's going to happen. Given the way his shootings ben but still like. He's a very good player. He's got a chance to be a decent fit there and for team of a ton of pressure on them. You know lonzo's play could be a big part and whether they make the playoffs or are sitting home again. I so my turn. I think this guy potentially be the biggest swing player in the league. I it's taken while you get to it but that'll be klay thompson You know the the warriors issued an injury update if you will And basically there was no timetable on clay. He's not gonna start the season Obviously he's a only roughly a year alina less than a year off torn kelly's but at some point he's going to be back and you know i. You know the recently with new techniques. We've seen some guys come off torn achilles and and also some some women Brianna stewart a came up browse stewart. Looks terrific. she'll say she's never missed a beat. Obviously durant looks like mr beaten arguably they were the two stars of the team. Usa Playing extra time. Extra games over the summer on those recovered achilles and so i don't know what's going to be for clay but of clay. Is you know. Seventy five percent of old play The warriors are getting a heck of a player back and You know you know bontemps i. I'm the words. We talked a lot about the warriors being one of the big swing teams in the league this year in a lot of that comes down to what they get from clay and when they get it from them. No question is steph is healthy. Draymond is playing at the level he was last year in clay is eighty percent or what he was before. The warriors are team dallas that could be in the nba finals. And if he's not that level player all of a sudden you're looking at a warriors team that has got now steph and draymond in their early thirties. Clay who's getting paid. I'm look it up now. Somewhere in the neighborhood of one hundred twenty million dollars over the next three seasons after this one actually more than that. He's got forty million next year. Forty three million in two thousand twenty three twenty four so it's just the next two seasons but still you're talking about eighty three million dollars over the next two seasons for a guy and if he's not able to play at that all star level or close to it that's going to be that's gonna make it very difficult on impossible. They've already for to be eighty million and he hasn't played the last two right. That's right and so. That's i would say. He earned that with. What did it limited with a fifty million dollars guy in your salary cap now. Playing with is reason why steph was an mvp arguably the mvp league last year certainly at least in the conversation to be that to earn that honor and the warriors didn't make the playoffs right because they had a forty million dollar player who was not able to play and that sorry. Go ahead go ahead. That's all i was gonna say like. Oh go ahead. i'm looking to clay. Let's let's say he comes back christmas. wish right. and it's not just coming off the achilles it's it's two years of being off to serious injuries. You know the acl and the achilles the two years arrest all that. It's not reasonable to expect him to be anything close to and i were reasonable. But what if he is well. I would assume they're going to probably build his his minutes up. Gradually all that. I think the the hope for the warriors should be the clay is something close to the klay thompson. We're used to seeing as the playoffs. Roll around well. That's the whole right. The is that that's what they're hoping for. They're hoping for you. Know he comes back. Around christmas early january they build them up over the course of the season and then by the time they get to the playoffs. Those guys are healthy. The young guys have gotten some development. Maybe they can add a piece during the season and they'll go into the blouse thick and they've got a shot in a wide open western conference. I mean that's their swing plex blueprint. That's right that's the best time bontemps next guy. We'll go promises this last one wind up doing. I'm going to go with the guy that There's a few options here. Could go like a junior go with jaren jackson. Junior could go. Tell horton tucker. But i'm gonna go with the guy. That mcmahon pooh-poohed a bit last night. When i sent this list you guys and that's donovan mitchell to high. Go on well. I don mitchell name former u That somebody else's nickname odds. No that's mcmahon original donovan mitchell to me is really interesting spot because we saw in that in that series last year against the clippers that You know without go. I leonard the clippers obliterated the jazz primer defense. And i think we talked about this last week on the pod. There was a lot of lot of chatter about rudy. Gobert getting put in a in a spin cycle With the way the clippers were playing but part of the reason. The clippers are able to do that. Was that the perimeter defense for the jazz was his and donovan. Mitchell came into the nba is a guy who was seen as a defense. I player has become an awesome offense player and has become a way better player than anybody would have ever predicted after the jazz traded up to get him at thirteen but if he wants to take that step from going from being an all-star level player to a true mvp caliber player. He's got to become a two way player. And he just has not been the past couple of years and i think for utah which i think could have the best record in the west again this year in the regular season for them to be a true title contender. I think donovan. mitchell has to take that step and if to me whether he does or not determines whether utah's just as another really good season and fall short again in the playoffs or their. I look at them in a different light than i did going into this last year. Playoffs when we get to the playoffs again next spring. I think that it's fair to say you know the the challenge for donovan. Mitchell now is to become that two-way guy. I'm his mentors dwayne. Wade you've got that example right in front of you. Dwayne wade was one of the best defense guards in the league and a go to guy. i also think it's. It's unfair to point to the playoff series against the clippers. Donovan was playing on one leg The fact he averaged thirty five in that series is amazing. He wasn't able to jump or move laterally. Basically any add on that. And that's a game and that's totally. That's totally fair. I should pointed that out. My point was simply just at the jazz. Don't have a lot of primitive defensive options and they need that to be better and they don't have a way internally to make it better other than right him becoming better at that end of the court. Yeah and and. I don't think he's a swing player. I think he's going to be a significant player. But i do agree. They need that. You know if you're gonna win at the highest level you need. You need him to be better at that end of the court. Well when i pooh-poohed donovan. Mitchell is a swing player. I'm like This this this dudes career playoff average twenty eight point eight points per game light. I think he's established himself. I if you don't wanna call him a superstar. He's knocking on that door. I mean he is. That's and that's why. I think the swing is can't he can he. Can he be a guy that like. O'brien said a year from now it's kris porzingis on the On the mavericks. Next year like this week we're doing. Nba rank right like a year. From now ken donovan. Mitchell be a guy that's the top. mba wreck. I think if that's the case. I think that utah's gonna feel awfully good about his chances of a breakthrough in the ploughs. By the way. I think how how loading probably they probably won't what we have to say. Michael porter jr. when the nuggets had their full complement of players last year and they were going there. Were starting to show real teeth. They may be able to do it. They obviously are not going to have their full complement for a long time. Maybe almost all regular season depending on. Jamal murray's recovery but until jamal murray gets back they are going to need some offense and michael poor junior has got to do it and mike boorda become michael porter becomes an all star a true all star this year which i think we all agree as possible. You know the nuggets if especially if you get your mom back to your point are going to be very very scary in the blouse. Now he he can do it right. He ever. He ever seventeen per game in the playoffs. And you know he uses fish. He wasn't chuck badge tots. He's gonna have to be a mid twenty point per game guy. I think for for the nuggets to be near the top of the west. This season and again he's going to his. He's almost certainly going to get a max. And if you sign that contract you are expected to produce at a higher level. And i realized that that team is a lot of talent and he. He may not have to do that. You know that may not be his role disquiet. He's gonna have to without jamal. Murray i mean that team that there's not a you know he's the clear number two guy with yokich without jamal marini and look even which mammary comes back for that team to be a true title. Contending team like porter's probably got to be the second best wire so all right. Let's see it like what you can do. And i do think there's a fine line. He's a guy who i think early on. You had to say a. Let's talk about shot selection. The there's a middle ground there between like. He's a guy tough shots aren't necessarily bad shots for him there. You know there. There's a middle ground between just being chucker and being a being a as aggressive is a guy with his size towns. Skill should be okay. We'll we'll see how that goes Thanks collective Enjoy their first weekend of fall when we talk next week. We'll be deported from training. So we'll talk to you.

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The Spectacular Social Lives of Crows with Anne B. Clark

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The Spectacular Social Lives of Crows with Anne B. Clark

"You can go anywhere for a basic cup of coffee or you could go to seven eleven with nixon's cremers syrups and toppings over three thousand ways to brew your perfect cup. Seven ticket to eleven dutch. Hello everyone welcome to factually. I'm adam conver- thank you so much for joining me once again as i talked to an incredible expert about all the amazing things they know the. You probably don't know that. I definitely don't as reminds get blown together. That's how i'm introducing the show. I think it's pretty good pretty good description. Let's jump into this episode. You might have mentioned this on the show at some point. But i am a bird watcher now. I watch birds okay. Get over it. It's what i do. I'm not gonna stop just because you don't like it. It's a hobby. That i took up in one of the earlier stages of the pandemic and i fucking love it. It's an incredible way to spend time outside without wondering. Okay what do i do now. You know what. I mean if you go outside. You're like it's nice to be outside but like my computer mismanaged. I put my phone. What's going on. And when you bird watch you go outside and then you look for birds. Two hours fly by. It's amazing gives you something to do outside. And also you participated citizen science project report. How many birds you saw ornithologist can use it to track burn positions. It's fucking awesome. I can't shut up about it but let me tell you. One of my favorite things about bird-watching. Okay was that. I live in los angeles and i normally think this place as like a concrete blasted wasteland you know natural anything around except a couple of barron palm trees that are going to die in a couple of years but once i started bird watching i realized that i am actually surrounded by the natural world and in all of its fascinating glory. I walked the la river to bird and it has a reputation the la river for being the shitty a concrete channel. That's barely a river at all. But when i go there i've been going there over the past year and i have seen over hundred different species of bird in that area in the surrounding area. I've been able to see the seasons change. Are the ducks come in winter. And the swallows come in. Well actually i haven't quite tracked when when the swallows come yet but ducts definitely come in winter. At least i will verify that this coming winter. I've only been doing this for about a year so far. Okay but here's the point. Birding has made me aware of a whole world of natural beauty and complexity just down the street from my house. Take crows for example you know. I always assumed that crows were kind of trash bird. There's so many of them They they eat garbage. They fly around classify them with like rats pigeons. You know what. I mean but dear listener. I couldn't have been more wrong. Okay because as we will talk about today. Crows are actually one of the most intelligent species of any animal on earth. They have complex social hierarchies. They can recognize individual other crows and even individual humans. They even communicate so thoroughly. Crows can actually be said to have a culture. They are crazy intelligent. They can solve eight puzzles to get food. They can even think about their own thoughts. Who which is a form of higher intelligence thought to only found in humans until we found out. It also happens in crows and the coolest part. Is you live in america. There are crows near you. We're not talking about chimps. You don't go to the jungle to find these guys. You just literally have to go look outside so if you see a crow you have the choice. This is what bird-watching has taught me. If you see a crow you have the choice to look at it to observe something. That is so unique on earth right in own neighborhood just because something is common doesn't mean it's not special and you'll my guest. Today has made a career out of doing that. Exact thing today on the show. We have an clark a professor of biological sciences at binghamton university. I think you're going to flip for this interview. I certainly did. Please welcome. And clark and clark thank you so much for being here. Thanks a lot for having the atom delight to be on the show and and chat today. Yeah so look. I started just so you know. I started birding in my life about a year ago and so i became. I've only recently become alive to the possibility of birds in my life and everything that they do. I'm very excited that to drill deepen and talk about one bird species in particular. Why did you start studying crows. And what have you got. start with. Why why crows in particular. Why why crows. Well i'll tell you. It's actually strange. Because i didn't start with birds and i don't consider myself a diet and we'll ornithologist In the sense that. I have any formal training in birds at all Actually most of what i do. I don't have any formal training in. But that's all right. That's what happens in academia but the the basic line is i have. I started with working with pro simian. Primates and i've always been interested in the evolution of complex social behavior. Why animals not just live in groups but spend a lot of effort and time in coming together again and communicating with certain individuals. Even if they don't live in a tight social group i mean. We're we're a case in point. You know all your best friends up. Don't travel around with you. Five feet away from you you you make time and effort to get there. Why do you do that. and so. That is a sort of central academic behavioral ecologists question. What are the circumstances. The context in which complex social behavior evolves and is maintain and. I was interested also in how animals with long lives diverge so there was a parallel interest in in what we now call personality. But we didn't have a term. When i was getting interested and when i got back from south africa and studying persimmons for one reason or another i got into studying budgies little parakeet turkey birds. Yeah the guys at the at the pet store. They have very complex socialize. But i wanted to work with wild animals in their wild context and by a circuitous route ended up realizing that a colleague of mine studying american crows had the perfect system which is long lived. Animals take a long time to grow up observable to an extent and very complex social lives so i actually made a jump from what i was doing then studying parent offspring relations in red wing blackbirds to working with cros. You started studying crows in order to study social relationships in animals more generally because it was a really good example of that. Yeah and and particularly. I got me interested in animals. That don't live in tight social groups so if you come if you're a prime apologised when i grew up in academia you study booms and racist monkeys and these are big open living open country living species and they live in a defined for group. But they're all the time all the time so they travel in their group and i was working with persimmon. Primates would bush babies which are sort of squirrel like supposedly primitive very cute very cute and by not so cute cute but they they will flesh but they're adorable. Yeah yeah yeah. Yes yes exactly. And i had been studying them in the wild and the basic discovery i was making was there highly social contrary to what they were expected to be as nocturnal animals. They were expected to be quite solitary and to represent a kind of lower level of crime eggs socially sociology but instead they were living lives in which they foraged by forage singly and a range if you will by calls to get back together various times during the night home and sleep together in the daytime so they were actually working like we do To be social. Yeah the you have to put extra work in to say. Hey let's meet up in this treetop the same way. There's a friend. I want to hang out with tonight as a hey man you want to go to a soccer game and i said yeah what time. And he's gonna meet me and we're going to go together. And i basically got tickets to the soccer game just so i could invite a friend and hang out with a friend. I'm going to like extra work. Just so i can be social. And that's what these animals are doing to and crows do. This too is what you're saying. Yes so crows actually combined a bit of everything. The american crows which is the ones that we primarily study have territories. They'd have a recognizable area in which a small family groups which can get large say are also extended family groups there. They start with nuclear family but they can be kids from previous years. What we call cooperative breeders and their kids from previous years or joiners from other groups swell those ranks so maybe on average three four on any given months or up to twelve or even fifteen one of our largest groups we have so they do have a territory but they leave it and they join other crows and in the winter. They travel with large groups of pros and roost with sleep with At night large groups of pros so they had this really human lake as my colleague. Kevin mcgowan who started this study in nineteen eighty nine here in new york. He always describes him as having a very human lifestyle with a family they recognize as family really all sorts of associations outside if that like they have friends and they have co workers space and they go to the mall just to see what stirring right you know and they and they say. It's a lot safer. I'm going to the motel tonight where everybody's there and we'll all hang out together. They're really. they're really complex. Interesting birds aren't they. I mean i'm so struck by again i. I started birdwatching limit of the pandemic in order to get outside and and just to find a way to connect with nature a little bit more in the wasteland of los angeles and one of the wonderful things. I find out about it. Oh turns out. Los angeles isn't such a wasteland. There's nature and there's birds i've seen like over one hundred bird species and just a year just in my own concrete city but you quickly learn okay. There's crows and ravens. We have here everywhere. They're all over the place. They're frankly the most common bird that you would sit in some places you might be more pigeons more rock pigeons but like really you know. Look anywhere and you'll see crows and ravens and so at first you're like oh that's just like a trash bird. Whatever those pigeons they're like rats they're just a an animal of human society. But then the more you watch him like okay. Pigeons are kind of boring. They just kind of sit there and they go cool and they fly around but cros are like always up to something. There's like you start to realize like oh these are exceptionally smart and like really really interesting creatures right now watching you much. You're watching them and they are so one of the things that has to be said right off. Is that most of the work we've done has been with cros living in a small city new york so we might want to call them urban or suburban. They certainly cohabit with people and their territories are contained people's yards on. I i live rurally outside of the canal and we're beginning to look in a variety of ways including genetics At the more rural crows to answer some questions that we may talk about in a bit. Because there's been a lot of interest in animals that do what you're seeing in in your in your neck of the worst adapt to living right near us in in the nineteen seventies. You would not have had that experience really was that. How do you mean so So american crews in particular they're widespread across the us and Someone might one of my colleagues call them sin anthropic meaning that they've always kind of associated with people over longtime with indigenous peoples. Perhaps as they may have us their refuse piles and they're scavengers they're generalists and so it wasn't that they were unused to people but that when we build cities at during the period when the white settlers are moving in. They shot them. It's a big enough bird to eat. It's a big enough for the hate if you don't like them landing or your crop. You build a scarecrow. You build a literal. We literally had this cultural memory of a person that you build the get. The damn crows out of the field now. Why don't you want the crows in the field. Are they eating your seat or something. I actually have no idea why a farmer wants to scare a crow in the first place. Well we're i sort of have some debates with people about what they're actually doing but there's no question that when you make a garden or plant corn whether or not they're eating the base that corn i don't know but they go and they flip it out and they basically undo you're sprouting corn very nicely but on the flip side in the early nineteen hundreds. This was well documented. The other thing they're doing in your fields is they're eating grubs eating things that eat your crops. So there's this knowledgeably you would not want. You wouldn't wanna crow undoing. You're planting but you might want. Crows work in your fields at some point. This is a creature that we have a deep connection with. You're making me realize that like okay. We literally build a little honky lous of ourselves and stick it on a pole in a field which i assume we've been doing for a very long time that strikes me as a very old folks process. Pin european. yeah yeah so. I don't actually know the historic history of scarecrows. Somebody oughta write one Yeah i know if you ever meet. Someone knows the history of scarecrows. Let me know. Because i want to get them on the show. Because that's now i'm really curious. Where that star. Because what a strange spooky weird thing to do to build a mannequin and stick it on a pole. It almost seems like some kind of weird pantheon stick prayer to the crow. God or something to do this but in any case so got like a deep relationship with these with these animals but you're saying that that our relationship with them in cds has changed. Yeah so one of the other things we did for. Crows is not only put up scarecrows. But we've hunted them and we shot them with guns and they were very very very quick to learn that they shouldn't get too close to people with guns. There's lots of stories about people across the nineteen eighteen. Nineteen hundreds of walking out with a gun and every crow goes up not in your front yard but one field away. Wow so their idea of danger and people is pretty was pretty well established. They knew that they could use people but they didn't want to be near people with guns. But crows are not crows in los angeles or not that afraid of people now. I realized that there are guns in our cities by not shooting. Crows right. yeah no not particularly so one of the things that happened is that so throughout much of the city's were growing in the nineteen hundreds Crows were not moving in. That was just too close to people. And in nineteen seventy two we have the migratory act and that basically said that crows are included. Crows that you cannot shoot. Migratory birds and migratory bird treaty. Act so this included treaties with canada. And there's more details on that. So i'm not saying very clearly but in any case what that meant is That crows stopped being shot at a lot of the time although certainly still allowed. If you were a farmer you could still shoot crows nuisance. Then as cities got large and people in them didn't want other people shooting at each other in them or anything. You know where they could injure another person Guns became shooting. A gun in a city is now outlawed. So crows are kind of doubly protected beginning in the seventies And it was at that point somewhere in the sixties and seventies that they start being recorded as actually breeding in cities. Wow and staying in cities so if you think about it when we started when kevin started my colleague. Kevin mcgowan at the cornell laboratory. Ornithology when he began studying. These crows in ithaca in nineteen eighty. Nine it was basically What forty years. Since the had moved into town they were still relative. newbies and crows can live a long time. They were like living ten twelve. We've got a three crows who've lived nineteen years. Oh so we could be looking at the grandchildren of the first crowds. Literally like second generation immigrants Yeah that's wild and also. Their behavior is changing so fast. If you say you come out you know fifty years ago you come out with a gun and all the crows would take off and like i said right now. I mean there's there. I'll tell you. There's some crows sitting on the fence outside my house right now and when i go outside they will not move an inch. So are the crows. Like is there some kind of cultural memory. Are they telling each other to change their behavior in this way. I mean like because it can't just be says too fast for natural selection to work so they must be learning like collectively how to respond to us. Yeah so they are as you say a really smart bird there long live bird. One of the things we do know. Is that the evolution of smart learning capacitators. Animals is is certainly the along life because it's more useful to learn if you're going to live a long time so you know that argument seems to hold up in that sense and so yes. They learn readily from each other and one of the hypotheses. I certainly have not tested or can show. Is that crows who are by moving between groups. You know moving outside your family and visiting a large foraging area whatnot. You might learn what those crows over there or some of those crows. Fear if you're a young cro and you're moving around between groups you not only get to learn what your family fears but you may get education on what somebody else fears and it takes them two years to become mature at all and Probably for most of our cros in town. They're not breeding. They're not a member of a pair until their three four five depending on sex depending on year so yes there's a lot of opportunities for them to learn and being this kind of flexibly social Individual again it's reminiscent of humor. I hate to be sort of anthropomorphic. Or maybe it's the other way but the fact is that we know that research shows that young. Humans learn a lot from their peers. Right they don't just spend time in their families but they go over to the neighbors. I well my friends do it this way. Well what you're describing is culture right like that is something that you learn not just on an individual basis but in sort of amorphous way by following what other people do around you that that sort of gets india's the the same thing about you know when when parents say oh. I didn't teach my kid this but as soon as they came back from school they started wires. Mike why is my kid. Associating pink with femininity. I didn't teach them that. Nobody's specifically told them that. Where did it come from. They just kind of picked it up out of the you know gestalt of being in a group of other humans. You're telling me cros do the same thing. That's a very humid. that's equality. I think of as being exclusively human but it's like literally happening in the birds around my neighborhood. Incredible exactly yeah and again. These are hard things to show in a sort of critical scientific way. But it's not just you. It's lots and lots of people who either disliked crows crows and they have very different relationships with because the crows actually learn to recognize humans. Which is the sad fact. Is i work with cros. And i cannot recognize individual crows reliably. Crows can be pretty good at recognizing. How are they ever offended. You're like hey what's up ben. And you're like no. That's a different crow. Oh we all look alike. Great job pretty pretty rude so no i. I actually learned that from. I don't know if you have read geno dell's book how to do nothing but That was the one of the books. That got me started bird-watching she was a guest on this podcast in our first year and she wrote about i forget if it was either crows or ravens may started a relationship with a number of either crows or ravens in her neighborhood and they would come to her window and she would feed them and just had this like very intense kind of relationship of being seen and known by a crow that she thought was very interesting and wrote about very movingly in that really. Incredible book Yeah that's a real experience that people have. I wanna know. I wanna be friends with a crow. What is it like to have a crow. No you well we because my students we not only study crows in terms of we. We put bans on them. I could tell you more about that in a bit and tags and we follow them to their lives and we're interested where they go. How well they reproduce a lot of things like that and my students also have more specific questions like One of my students working with personality. Another has looked at Development of curiosity if you will and their attitudes toward novel or non food objects and when we do that kind of work. We need to have crows. That will work with us. we need to have crows. That will allow us to ask some scientific questions and yet free grows their hand. What's up what do you want to do today. Yeah one of the problems with crows. Is that american crows at least is that they're incredibly neo. Phobic claiming they have a reputation for being near. Phobic was neil fogo scared scared of novelty scared of new and unknown things that they haven't met and one of the things we were interested in and are continuing to be interested in the proposition. That a number of people have made. Which is that animals living in cities around people where things turnover a lot more leave. You know you leave the plastic pink pony out in your yard. There's a new building over here. It's trashing and it goes away and then it comes back that animals should in cities either be selected to be less responsive to novelty or less put off by it or that they should somehow rapidly habituate to it. They should be the kind of and so we've been interested in one question would related to that. Which is our the personalities. If you will or the responses to novelty by crows in cities in ithaca different from those outside to do these kinds of experiments you need to get the crows to come to something so then in for us. It's peanuts peanuts. Peanuts are your route to croagh friendship. And it's also a lot of fun to watch some open them and how do they open them We give them whole peanuts unsalted. So there it's naturals possible. And they hold them with their feet and peck them open. Republican removed peanuts or because crows are among those animals that hide food for later. My girlfriend does that. Yeah well you know ask her. She's says call but they'll sometimes stack all the peanuts in their mouth. 'cause they have kinda pouch in the base of their but sort of in the base of what you might turn their mouth and actually behind their beak And they can stack these in here and they can probably get four five six or more peanuts in their bills at one time. And they'll fly them off and stash them in places that they make in the ground like they can dig out a little bit and then they'll put more stuff on top of it very hard to find cool way. Are they doing that. Are there like peanuts hidden around. La in places that might well be might be. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna say i'm not gonna say that i could find them because i gone to places where crows of hidden something and gone. You know i can't see it. Yeah that's really good. So yeah they they. They are typically quite put off by novel things still and we can come back to that whole set of questions but nevertheless they will learn to use food light food that you give them and some people have made. You've probably heard of a number of these. Instances in which people have had crows coming to their. We are continually feed them and ours have gotten used to the fact that we feed them peanuts. We don't feed them all the time. So we we do census routes where we go and we look for the crows who are living in different places just to see if they're still there and who's there and we're trying to be somewhat unreliable feeders because we don't want to be like a major source of food but we want them not to fly away from us. We want them to be interested in being noticed. And then when you're trying to study how how a verse they are to new things. What do you you come out with with the pink pony like you say and wave at them and go and see if the crow flies away or what we don't we don't want them to associate us with something horribly a novel. No we will get them to the point that you know we know where this family lives and will usually find places where they're comfortable coming down side of the road for peanuts and then we'll go out and set up some peanuts and maybe put a Piece of a plastic flower or a one of the things that my students from my student that brown who's now gutter phd. She's down in At kennesaw She used plastic flower. She used not just large English walnuts which are not native which we don't find growing around here and as a sort of innocuous foods type nevertheless novel and then one of her most Fear eliciting objects was a pink hula-hoop not very big sort of a sparkly pink hula-hoop that was that was more than any of our cros could handle. And they never habituated. It was not that they got used to it. So that's one of the things that she found was that crows in cities are not They're not they have not lost fear of novelty. They're just as careful as anybody else but they're constantly watching and observing and they're very curious so being themselves. I think you could say they give themselves the time to vitually. I don't know about that thing. But i'm gonna sit on the wire for a while. Watch from the tree and that helps that. They're so they're so intelligent so it it's a situation in which it helps them like they mind the thing but they're cautious and maybe that's one of the reasons they're so successful as opposed to. I'm just gonna guess that pigeons aren't very averse to new things that they're just down to do whatever. Maybe i have an opinion of pigeons. I don't know maybe you love but their pitches are not completely stupid. But i think you're right. Crows crows are real standouts when it comes to reacting to novel objects sir novel events and they notice. They notice detail. Wow and you know it works against us. We'll set up something. Some sort of we have a thing called a net launcher which we used here and there across the years to try to shoot a small net on blanks to try to capture them. Oh wow that's very severi spy gear that you have like video games. I didn't know that was thing exists in real life. You shoot a net in order to catch the in order to catch the crow. They must not like that very much. And it's also not very successful because when you're doing an cities first of all you have to use something small because otherwise it's not allowed period and you'll do it in somebody's backyard but this particular setup has a has a central thing with the That shoots out the blanks. Sheep's pins carrying the net. And then that's tied that the base by little guy wires by little guy cords. I don't know how many times we've gotten. The crows habituated to an object. That's very similar to that. So we're going you know they don't react to the basic net setup but we put in go in at four o'clock in the morning and lay the little cords and they fly in and they're already in they look around and somebody goes cau- and they just they've just spotted those courts. Oh wow you know. There's this there's this great big lumpy thing. That's going to shoot a net you. But they've gotten used to that but you lay a core down on the lawn writ with leaves and somebody sees it amaz- it really blows my mind that these creatures that are so smart like all like watching looking you know in in a really specific way. I have so many more questions about the my spaghetti. We wanna talk about crow roosts. We found fascinating. But we gotta take a quick break. We right back with more on clark folks if you've heard this show before you know that. We are huge. 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Crows get together every every winter in these giant roost. You have a whole website. Crow reuss dot org. Tell me what is so fascinating about. Crow roosts okay First of all crow roosting is most obvious to us in the winter because in the winter clothes in the northern part migrate and crows everywhere. Even if they're not northern are probably much more mobile from their house from their territory from their central territory. There's no there's no nest to tie them there. There's no babies in a nested. Tie them there so they're much more mobile and for across the us in winter. There's tends to be less food in specific areas. So you're more likely to be searching for food so it's not just crow roosting that they do more socially in the winter it's also crow. Foraging where. I'm living in the northeast. They move out into fields agricultural fields. That have been i harvested and then they just keep working these fields for grubs and insects of various kinds and some they can catch bowl sometimes. They're actually will catch and kill some small animals like voles and shrews. they also and so. It's i it even in the fall or i should late summer. Once the kids get mobile. We have tracked air birds with radios and found that they form local roosts small roosts and that's just basically local families will gather in wood lot. Typically a fairly heavy would lot and sleep together. Now that doesn't mean it's not pigeons on a wire. They're sitting around at that. Point in trees spaced out but a group of them together. People have known that crows do this for a long long time ever since way before. I'm sure people as long as there have been people in crows mixing they've known grows make these roosts and the thought is that one of the reasons they do. It is that this is protective during the night against getting eaten by us. Great horned nells are certainly one major crow predator that they have to be scared of And at night crows like many diurnal daily living passerini perching birds of which there a member Can't can't see well So if an owl comes flying into your roost at night. It's really bad because it's going to not only be able to get one or two of you but you're going to fly into trees you could injure yourself. I mean it's not that you want. This is terrifying. Yeah it's the boogie man in the closet. Only worse bouma got so this is now. I'm understand why have the reputation as a frightening bird. Yeah i i think they deserve it. I mean they're they're wonderful birds. They're amazing birds but they are predators crow cruiser big dinner. I didn't know that because cruiser are so big. Like i wouldn't have imagined they were owl. Food great horn else can take wild turkeys. Give you an example. Wow and they will often Do so in the winter so we think that crows lake up into reuss in part for protection. That doesn't mean that it doesn't also serve other functions in these may get more important in the winter because in the winter at least in the northern north temperate. We've got snow and deep. Snow is not something that crows can foraging which is probably one of the reasons that the canadian northern boundary crews moved down in the winter so that's where migration is really a big deal. They moved to areas where they can get some food. And we're we're i am in new york. Migration is somewhat optional if you will and dependent bid on the year so if we don't have a lot of snow you can potentially even stay home on your territory and just make forays but you're gonna get a lot of cros who are in the farther north moving down or in the farther northeast where there's more snow moving in and so you get areas. Where cross kind of collect the winter in larger numbers because of food. Those many of those guys don't have territories right. They're not they don't live here. They're the they're the florida migrants right. And so what happens. Is that those guys established sleeping sites in would lots again and from following aircrews with radios. We know that many of our own local crows with territories. Don't go home to their territories. At night they join these so the numbers as well. This is like it's like a yearly crow convention. It's like all the crows from around the country from around the continents are getting together. Hey what's that. We're all getting together at the tree over there so leave home for a little bit and go to the convention. Because you're gonna hotel hotel. It's going to be great hotel. Yeah and auburn near us is one of the places they the roosts tend to be or have are known to be The same site year after year after year so so they remember where the like. A crow from another part of the continent comes like. That's the trio is go to every winter and meet a whole lot of other crows and go back to the same spot or at least the same woods. Yeah yeah does. Does it serve some kind of social purpose for them as well to like get together and are they talking or they. Hey what's up. I remember you what's going on in canada. I wish i wish we knew. Many many many more details any one of the things we have no idea is how much learning or how much transmission of information because they don't you know we're we know they don't have language in the same symbolic sense that we do but one of the things that they may be doing at are likely to be doing In media sense is share is sharing information or using each other as sources of information about where to forage that day. So if you have a central area and everybody you got fifty thousand. Crows spread out over the landscape. And they're gonna come into that area in the night they're gonna come in from where they last forage presumably at this sort of the idea of having an information center which people have worked with and is at least proposed as one of the things that crows and other big reuss. Living animals are doing. Is that when they wake up in the morning. If you left an area which was really still good to eat in. You probably head out there right. If i didn't. I'm gonna sit there for a little bit and look around and joining the guys who look like. They really excited about where they're going. Yeah and so. In this sense it allows you know whether they mean to trade information or not. Yeah they can't help but give some information away about where the food is. Yeah have been. This is wild is very wild stuff. It's like the more i learn about animals like this. You know we often have this idea that humans are very separate in the way that we operate as social animals that we have like they don't have language like we do communicate in this way and that way and that way that way and that way and that way and that way and that way it's like okay we're really just at one end of a continuum or maybe in the middle of a continuum of ways that animals are social and communicate with each other and are intelligent. I mean you know. Dolphins get a lot of press for being a very intelligent animal but like really is cros or blown my mind right now. Well in you know. I'd like to turn that around two. If we all came together in the mall and there was something going on you would not require language to figure that out Yeah you're right and so. I think that we often get very hung up on. Oh well does this mean that. Crows transmitting information as you know like in some direct linguistic way. No they're very good at reading each other. We're very good at reading each other. Wish berry social species. We don't require language for real for a lot of real basic communication and crow. Communication is complicated. And i i don't really want to go too deeply there because i don't think any of us adequately could tell you what crow calls mean or how many there are or you know that is really. I think one of the most important areas that we can work on. But it's going to take a lot of creativity. I mean it sounds like if anyone can figure it out. It sounds like you can do crows like you know. Purposefully cooperate to do. We don't some crews use tools. Is this the thing that i that i reading about. Okay yes oh one of the. I think this is really important for people to realize because most of us in the usa think that there's one crow crow one crow and maybe one raven. That's what most people there's a number of crows. Crows and ravens are really only differentiated by size all. They're the same genus there. All the genus corvus. So is everything that you've said so far is also true of ravens. Generally or in very general turnout to social. The social systems can get different. But they're are different in ways. That are probably fairly flexible. even if we characterize different species So i will say first of all that in north america we have in in the east. We have fish. Crows and american crows and fish. Crows if you're down in florida you'll meet them and they say or oh. Fish grows up in this ika which is the northern border of where. They've moved to say they don't say. But what are the american crow sound like. I wanna hear them all now in. I have to do all the crow calls. No there's too many but anyway that's how people how people tell them apart because they are all big black birds. Yeah and it's just really hard for us to tell them apart. I mean i. I guess so proud. Once i learned the difference between a crow and raven. And i could tell the difference. I everybody i know i knew. Here's how krona raven and everyone all my friends who didn't even know there was a raven as no. Here's how you tell the difference. And i might even say this again in the intro to this episode. I haven't decided yet. Because i'm so such a fan of it but it but tell me if i'm right is that is that ravens if you see one flying high and soaring. That's a raven crow. Stay closer to the ground. They flap a lot and is the is that generally correct. That's in the right direction. And crows have a rowing slapping. So you do notice there flapping their kind of rowing flapping motion marine raven. Stu tend to go higher and sore. More they're more acrobatic in the air crow american crow tales. End in a in a A soft box in soft rectangle and raven common raven tales. At least end a wedge. Yeah like a point sort of they come points at the end of the. Big broad wedge. Yeah and then. And then crows. Crows do a cau- more like that and then raven is more of a like a deep rattle like a raw. Aw like a froggy kinda croke. Yeah that's how you yeah. i mean. Certainly the typical the typical thing that you might hear when they're flying some of its body size and there was. Yeah so one of my One of my early grad students doug robinson who's down at mount saint mary's in near near new york He just making recordings of blue jays and crows. And if you slow the recording of blue jay down it sounds a lot like an american crow. Yeah some of the calls. And if you speed in american crow up it. Sounds like a fluke. I was just in michigan. And as my first time sense birdwatching. Being around their bare sony bluejays. These are very crow. like they're like big ass birds that are like really being noisy and guard. Like oh yeah. These are their right. They're related to crows. Yup absolutely crows jays and magpies. Yeah are all in this group but you but this this came up. Because i asked you if they use tools right so that's in a quick segue into one species of crow uses tools and there are a bunch of species of crows in the world and most all of them are big blackbirds with some variations. In having is the hooded crow having a grayish body more white or gray somewhere around the head and neck and moaning So the species of crow that uses tools is found a new caledonia new caledonian crow. Where's new caledonian. It's in the pacific. It's a try to tell you how many miles from it is god's in iowa zealand. It's an island good ways from new zealand. So it's one of the island crows They fly a lot differently than our american crows. 'cause they're not. They're not built for long distance. Travel there more in the canopy flying amongst would lots and canopy but they are found on this island only so a couple of little tiny islands surrounding it. they have no woodpeckers on that island so there's nothing to compete for that and being an island is probably never had a whole lot of different options for you know protein and that sort of thing and there are great big grubs that burrow into the trees and if we want to make at least a story reconstruction knits that they are going after these grubs in the trees. Nobody no other bird is going after those grubs in the trees. Because there are woodpeckers to compete with. I'm so christian. Wrightson others in england have estimated that of these grubs will do them for a day of good protein. Wow so there's a lot of selection pressure for them to be able to get those grubs and the tools that they make. are the us either. Specially broken little branches twigs or they rip the hooked edges of pana sleeves so that they have a long strip like this little hooks along the edge they just nip rip very carefully and they stick those in and these grubs are defensive and rai raise up and grab at a hat hooks or at the twig. That's coming down after them allowed them to pull out. That's incredibly intelligent to figure that house. Yeah so and we know that it's been going on for a long time. Because not only do they make those tools and they pass on the takes them quite a long while to get really good at it so we know that you know. This is not just some sort of automatic thing. This is not some kind of genetically programmed behavior. This is something that they learn from each other to some extent a and they probably and they hang around with their parents and their parents apparently leave tools prominently in places that the youngsters could use them on the flip side. It looks like they've been using it long enough that the tool use has also become so intrinsic that there it has selected for biology for morphology allows better tool use throw i position on the head. Imagine holding imagine you have a bill and you're trying to hold a stick or a little piece of pendema sleep bandannas leaf to go down into a whole. You gotta watch which doing so you've gotta But you wanna hold it so that you could control it out the front of the bill. So if you have a hook over your bill as many birds do including our american crows in whatnot. You can't you gotta stick it out side. Their bills are modified to be like pliers does not have the little hook is straight out the front. There's no hook it so like a pair of of straight pliers and they can then hold that in a way that no other crow would be able to hold it. That is so cool. The other the other. Really cool thing which i love is is that they are really really drawn to tools so you know how if you human kids if you've them out in the yard they're gonna go. They're going to pick up sticks and stones and they're gonna throw them in bonk them things right. Yeah yeah you don't have to tell them to do that. Yeah yeah well. Young new caledonian crows if you leave sticks around. They are inordinately attracted to them and they will try to stick them in things. Wow okay so. There is so is partially built into them. Genetically at this point but i'm they still have to learn. Culture has wrapped around more selection. The whole neural capacity of these animals. But but that really sounds like the we. We can imagine so easily how that happened. You know in this animal because it's on an island and because there is a particular food to look for and like you say we can imagine how okay the culture wrapped around the genetics and it became both things at once and just explaining that makes it really clear model that in my head. But i'm like oh that must apply to humans as well and so many other ways when you talk about say languages simultaneously. We have a genetic neurological passi for language but we also learn it and it's also flexible and xyz and the we have a million things like that but it's like oh this is an example of how we learn to vary obviously right yep exactly and it gets called gene culture co evolution by some of my colleagues And if you're a highly cultural animal your culture modifies your environment. Wow and selects for other attributes that we would consider more i dunno biological or or yeah you know physical in some sense so this just makes me think that like there's lots of science fiction stories about you know i think a lot of people imagine humans die out. Well maybe one day dolphins will like learn to talk and start building stuff. And i would add crows to that list. Move like the animal that might supplant us. I mean there's so much going on there that is so fascinating. I think that one of the interesting questions that people have raised about animals moving into urban areas is whether those species which are most successful at doing so have those attributes they might not be direct to users but they had that learning based capacity for cultural shifts which then allow them to kind of recreate and make a new form of existence which may itself select on them. And that's one of the things we need to discover more about But one. That's one of the hypotheses. Is that animals that moving readily into our living around us surviving with us tend to be large brained long-lived social learners liked dogs dogs coyotes Even rats the. Oh that's true. Rats are very very social. Yeah they're very social. That's wow. I never thought of that. Before cats to some cats live in big colonies. i don't wanna call them large-brained of a very poor opinion of cats but No i'm just kidding around. But you know and coyotes are wonderful examples. Yeah yeah they're extremely extremely smart and social anyone who's been stocked by a coyote can hit absolutely feel that way like it's following me and looking at me and watching and wondering what to do with that piece of hot dog in my hand. Wow that's amazing okay How can folks we a wrap it up. But how can folks who are curious what this world learn more about crows and also do recommend. I'm fascinated by crows. I have a rooftop. Should i start leaving peanuts out and trying to attack. Attract the crows in my neighborhood. Is this a good idea or a bad idea. If i wanna learn more about crows and make crow friends or will they not leave me alone ever again. I mean from my perspective is leaving peanuts. Out is is fine. I would not overdo it. I would want to make sure that you're attracting some crows and that you're not becoming a focus of you know a murder of murder murder of crows. Yeah don't forget a lot of crossing a murder that's right that's what they say because there are obviously you deger's and not everybody likes crows. Have oh my god. Don't move in next door to this guy he's the crow man that's right that's right and i have friends who've had that problem and i also as i walk around you know people ask me. What are you looking at binoculars. This is the new york. There's cornell left here. There are people interested in birds all over. And you say oh. I'm looking at crows. And they're facing spall and they go. Oh i was hoping it was a warbler of something or something like that. That was coming through. But then you read the people and they and they say and i hate crows and i remember one conversation which kind of epitomizes all of this in which she said i hate grows and we got into this little discussion and she said i don't like them because they're they're so loud they're always in groups and they're up down the street all the time and i finally said for you know you hate crows. Could there's so much like people. She looked at me and she said yes. That is incredible and thank you so much for joining us and blowing my mind so much with all this incredible crow information where where can folks find out more about you and your work. Well i'm not very. I'm not as easily found as as one would hope. But i'm certainly open to emails. I just to the woods in the winter and there. you'll be right. You can find my contact information at the website for binghamton university in biological sciences And i have lots of students who were also happy to talk about their work and our papers are mostly Kind of professional. None but i have. I have dreams of writing. They chromebook in the next few years. I hope you do in the meantime use website. Crow roosts dot. Org which people can check out right. Yes yes although it's not as well kept up as it should be well and thank you so much for being here thank you. I can't thank enough sure thing. This has been a pleasure at them. And i hope you're crows find you. Do i want nothing more than that. Well thank you once again to an for coming on the show. I hope you enjoyed that interview as much as i did. If you did just remember you can support this show by going to our special bookshop at factually pod dot com slash books. That's factually pod dot com slash books and buying a book by one of our incredible guests or by anybody else. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Bill Oram and Jeff Garlin (04-10-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Bill Oram and Jeff Garlin (04-10-19)

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Eight seven seven three DP show, Email address DP, Dan, Patrick dot com. You can watch on audience channel two thirty nine direct TV. And also, our new friends had be are live streaming this show for free. The UA champion's league quarterfinals are here. Stream all those matches on Biard live coming up a little bit. We'll talk to the great writer Lakers writer for the Atlantic. Bill Orem had a great article about this entire season with the Lakers. He'll join us coming up also the actor comedian, Jeff garland from the goldbergs and curb your enthusiasm will stop by the man cave as well. We'll have our masters picks that'll be coming up next hour. And Adrian wochit around ski who was hot on the trail of what happened last night with his tweets. He'll join us coming up as well. By the way, there's a great new video vailable on social media and the Dan Patrick show app. Chris Harrison, the host of the bachelor he hosts the Callaway battle the dannettes, and we take this at Pebble Beach PGA tour golfer JJ Spahn was a lot of fun with us. So you can check that out on the Dan Patrick show app or social media channels as well that was the video where we had those big cutouts of our heads that we're smashing to bits with golf balls. If I'm not mistaken said is particularly disturbing video. But that's fun. It's fun poll question, mclovin. From the first hour while we never chose one. Who wanna go with would you want to run the Lakers? Yes. Or no. Who would you want to see react in real time to Magic's announcement yesterday? Not everyone agree with you that genie. There was some people want to see Luke Walton is. Say. Well, but I don't know if Luke knows what his fate is whether Magic's they're not. I don't know if Luke knows today anymore. They did yesterday. A question that a caller asked last hour, you think the Lakers will get a major free agent this offseason, Matz, major, you know, like why Paul George? No, katie. No, clay. No. So you think can be LeBron and like that center from Orlando kind of guy. I can't remember their names were is Jimmy Butler of a major signing. Wow. Like, I I don't know. There's a top tier group in. I don't think that they get one of those guys. You know, the big the big question is do they get Anthony Davis? That's that's really what it comes down to as they move forward. But I would still love to have seen. What could have played out if they were healthy because keep this in mind injuries? Played a large part here you had LeBron playing fifty five games. Brandon Ingram fifty two Lonzo ball forty-seven and Rajon Rondo Forty-six, if they are healthy, and they play close to sixty five games, it might be a little different. But, but it's also going to be something where I just wanted to see building blocks. I wanted to have momentum going into next season into this off season. And if you're a free agent, and you see what you have with the Lakers, Ben, you might be a little more encouraged to go whether Bill. Something there, and you have the younger kids with that energy. And you couple that with LeBron. And then maybe you, you know, you're able to create something really interesting. You had people who were thinking I remember Stephen a Smith shouting as he always does he said, they're going the Western Conference finals, and I said. They shouldn't be planning on that. If something like that happens. Great that would be accidental because I just wanted to see what these younger players could do and preach patients, and it didn't happen. But part of what magic, you know. Magic is competitive magic, you know, he's probably wearing his heart on his sleeve out there when they lose and he lost. And then we gotta get this Anthony Davis deal done or we gotta get pulled in here. But I need somebody who can separate and just do your job that it's not about you and your ego. And you gotta tell Jeanie Buss you. Here's Magic Johnson as he explained what he was doing. Go step down as president. And I think her and I have such a amazing relationship. And I think that she gave me full power to do what I wanted to do. But I think that with her, and I I wanna always preserve relationship. She doesn't know I'm standing here because I knew I would be crying like a baby in front of her even though about the cry now, but it's the right thing to do. Right. Move to make and then that way, he can stay in place build hopefully, build to team Costa team the right way. Wow. I I'm listening to it. And I'm thinking, I think magic just said genie. Doesn't know. I'm doing this. And then I thought okay, I got to watch that again. And I'll go he just said genie. Did no I'm doing this right now. Bill Orem did a great job insulting all of this up. Not just yesterday last night. But the entire season he's the Lakers writer for the athletic Bill. What the hell happened last night? And it's it's sounding. And I mean, just to kinda give you a sense of how this went down Luke Walton concluded his pre-game media Vail ability, which you know, every game at five forty five pm in Los Angeles. They talked for ten or fifteen minutes, and every kind of assumed this was the last time. So there's kind of a somber tone from Luke and Magic Johnson was kind of lingering. And he comes over and says and kind of jokes to the PR person. When do I get to go? And then he kinda takes a beat and goes now, I'm gonna go and he holds out his hand she tries to stop and he gets me on the podium and says he's quitting. It was absolutely surreal. And unlike anything I've ever seen picking through the pieces of this. It's something we're gonna probably be doing for a long time. But you know, the fact that you didn't talk to Jeanie Buss beforehand and said, basically that he thought it'd be to emotional that he thought that you know, she would talk it out of it. You know, once he put himself on the record in front of the media. You know on front of all those cameras there really was no. Checking out. So he talks for forty minutes tried to leave stop and talk for another twenty minutes. And then said he was going to go try to try to go find Jeannie and talk to her. It was unlike anything I've ever seen and probably will ever see again, especially when you consider the figure we're talking about here the statute that Magic Johnson has in Los Angeles. But the Lakers the job he was hired to do the job. He has done. You know, I think there's a lot of a lot to hold onto if you're if you want to criticize job Magic Johnson, rob Pelinka have done. But the bottom line is they did emerge with LeBron James. He's under contract with three more years. That is a pretty decent starting block. But now we're back to the drawing board for the Lakers who really are. Now, you know, kind of in this in I I've you kind of a chance for Jeanie Buss to kind of get it. Right. This time after after kind of reaching for what was the the comfortable choice in magic. Last time. But I really and my pretty pretty staggering moment. But you have the Lakers they whiffed on free agents here. And I always wondered was magic the right guy because this was about Magic Johnson and his personalities competitiveness, and you couldn't help himself. He was like we're getting Paul George. You know, like you're not allowed to say that. And then we're trading for Anthony Davis. No, no. You can't do that. Right now. It felt like he he every loss was his laws instead of it being Peyton we're we're just gonna figure this out. This is all about just understanding who we have an and players who are going to be in it for the long horn not. And then we can assess this when the season's over I I was preaching that the entire season. And then all of a sudden it felt like they panicked, and they go, you know, what we're not gonna make plans. We're let's get Anthony Davis in here. And then all of a sudden, you know, you got Luke Walton job in jeopardy, then you've got all the injuries here. If it could go wrong did. Go wrong amazing. Yeah. And I think I think you're right about the personality as well. I mean, you go back to last summer. There was that that lengthy summer league interview where he basically laid out is vision for why he thought the team has put together correctly with with ball handlers. And and going against shooters. And there was kind of an incredible. I thought hubris with the way the the team was constructed despite everyone kind of raising their hands saying, hey, wait a minute. You don't have shooters around. Lebron james. You're you're you're bucking the convention that has gotten to eight straight finals. Are you? Sure, you know, what you're doing and then during the World Series. He's on the World Series broadcast and says, yeah, I got like LeBron James this summer. You know what? Next summer, I'm going to get another free agent. I'm going to get another superstar, and you just don't hear that. And there was you know, there was a video that was circulating online a couple of weeks ago. In contrast of the way, Magic Johnson's talking versus the way, Jerry, West talks. And and the way, you know, Jerry, West would say, you know, you don't talk about how great you are you talking you job that you're talking. I was never comfortable in the spotlight. And then you contrast that with the way magic behave. And it's it's it's just it's just the way he has. He is wired which was great replacer. Maybe it's rate for his businesses that it always struck a very strange note coming from the big chair of a basketball team, particularly one that wasn't winning. And so, you know, the Lakers are gonna hit reset here. And as at the the Luke Walton, Dan, I think I think I think I think you have felt like you've got a little bit of a raw deal. The reset to get a raw deal. It. Sure sounds like magic is is is is is said stepping down. So Jeannie can can keep her guy in place, which I'm not. And I've I've I've been a supporter of Luke Walton as well. But none highly. Sure, that's great business either. Make the new you have to make the right business decision and standby and move forward. You can't you can't quit. So your your best friend doesn't have to fire somebody. She loves it. If the if the if the feeling in the building is that you need to make a replacement. It's. I it's just a very it's a very strange messy situation. I mean, it's it's seven AM in LA. I think we kinda thought that we'd be getting a Luke Walton announcement around now before the before this magic thing happened. And now nobody knows it's going to happen. Whether they'll move everything whether they'll see through Luke Saudi was being fired last night. Okay. Yes. It's amazing. It really it. And if I said, you can interview any of the principals here, you can go LeBron you can do magic genie. Who would you want to have a sit down one on one with today? Jeanie Buss because it is this story touches all of the, you know. You know, all of it touches every nerve. I mean, it is a motion. It is. It is family. It is you know. I mean, I mean, Dan, it's kinda Shakespearean. Right. I mean, the she feel betrayed by magic not talking to her before he goes in front of the cameras is she she feel that they own that. He, you know, only gave this two years. I mean, this has to be an extremely emotional day and extremely emotional chatter for her. I mean, you you understand kind of what the Lakers need to her not just as as her business, but the family business would have meant to hurt the entrusted with the Lakers by her father before he passed away in two thousand thirteen and what she believed it would have meant for him to reach into the organizations past higher. Magic Johnson to save the team only for him to say very abruptly two years in this isn't for me. I can't be me anymore and just walk away. So that I think is probably the most compelling aspect of this. And then the other part is wouldn't hell is the team. Do you? Have you have a massive summer? You have a thirty four year old LeBron James, and you have you have cap space. But no real great indications that any of the top players in free agency are going to want to take that money. So how do you how do you stabilize the strand Chai's in a matter of frankly weeks to make this a more appealing sedation than it wasn't Magic Johnson was here? And so she when she when she had the opportunity to hire magic or when she had the opportunity to fire her brother Mitch cut check and reshape the front office in her vision. She did something that was easy. She hired the people who are closest to her. She hired Magic Johnson. She hired Kobe Bryant's agent. And and I don't think that has gone very well. And so now, you know, I think she probably has to take a different tack which is figure out who the best person in the NBA is and how she can go get him. There's no salary cap limitation on. Executives. Go figure out the very very best person. You can get not the person with whom you have the best relationship work or or things you can trust right off the bat you can develop a relationship with good people bring back Jerry and west gale. Bill. I listen, Dan that is age being the only factor, and possibly the fact that I think Jerry West might have turned turned the page himself and his relishing the role of spoiler in Los Angeles. That that aside, I think that's great. Otherwise, you go down with our Buford in San Antonio Sam Preston, Oklahoma City Bob Myers in Oakland, Pat Riley, people do move on in their careers. And I know we we identify those people so much with those franchises. But there's no excuse for Jeanie Buss, not to be calling those people and saying that million dollars you want to run the Lakers. It's not it's not that hard. And if they say, no, then you then you keep moving down the list. I wanna I wanna play something that magic said, I don't know if anybody followed up on this magic was talking about the whispers in the backstabbing. This is what he said yesterday. What I didn't like is the backstabbing. And then the whisper I don't like that, you know. I don't like a lot of things that went on that didn't have to go on. And so I hope that after tomorrow the Lakers can head in the right direction, which we are. What is he talking about who's doing the backstabbing and the whispering? Yeah. He was asked about that. And and he did he he'd said that it was not necessarily the Lakers, but just basketball in general, but two things I think I think the Anthony Davis situation was was a pretty key factor here where he felt like in good faith. He's tried to make it make a big time move for the Lakers. And there was so much talk. There was so much information out there about it. It made them very it made it very difficult for them to operate on that deal to. I'm not sure where what the state of the relationship between. Magic johnson. Rob linka was by the time. Magic made decision. He was asked directly if he thought rob Pelinka was the right? Was the right general manager for the job? And he said, that's that's a question. That's question for Jeanie Buss, then he alluded to maybe some baggage that rob Lincoln has around. The league in terms of his reputation and says he hears it from agents. And then said that you know, he did say that they always worked well together. But it was certainly decision for him. And I thought if if he if there was a a strong bond their magic had an opportunity to give give him a strong door spent on the way out the door. And in listened the other part of it is people around the league were often. And I heard it, Dan, you probably did too. There was a certain degree of cheerleading about, you know, magic missteps he had not done this job before he is a massive personality in many ways, he couldn't help himself. You know, he got the Lakers. Find a couple of times around the league that was that was cheered in in kind of a diabolical sense. And so, you know, when you had any magic said something that could be viewed as tamper, and you had people scurrying to the league office trying to get, you know, get it in front of them. And so you know, he was upset about the Ben Simmons. Situation where Ben Simmons called the Lakers and says, hey, I'd love to work with you. You played the position the way I play with -sition better than anybody else ever has can you can you mentor me and magic magic version of the story for sainthood. Sixers is he called Philadelphia and said the only way I'll do this the league signs off on it. And then magic shares that story in Philadelphia. And then the wagons kinda circle in it comes it becomes it becomes Oded. He tamper with Ben Simmons, and I and and listening to him yesterday. He spent some time talking about that situation. And it seemed like wounded him quite a bit as well. Good stuff Bill. I didn't know if you had your article prepared you probably your article prepared let some up the season and Luke Walton being fired and what's going to happen in the off season. Next thing. You know, Magic Johnson come on down the impromptu press conference. What a crazy crazy crazy. It's it's the craziest thing I've covered them. You did a great job with it summing-up Bill and thanks for joining us this season. We appreciate your time. My pleasure. Take care. Nets Bill arm. He covers the Lakers for the athletic. His is with magic John. Magic gone. Jeanie Buss must hire the best. Not her best friends. You gotta get somebody. Who is not in the media. You gotta get somebody who just does their job and done. Do interviews. You gotta get somebody that nobody knows. And all they want to do is create a recreate the dynasty there. This isn't about being on Jimmy Kimmel or being doing any of those things and tweeting, and I can't tweet Dwayne Wade and your job is to just go out there and build a team. Yeah. Point. I got the answer in Kobe Bryant. Well. His competitiveness would bother me though. Because you get in there, and all of a sudden you if you don't get a free agent. It's you didn't get the free agent. We didn't win. No you didn't win. And you know, Kobe took those losses like Jerry West used to take those losses. Yes. Mclovin. How about which former Lakers should we bring back in the fold? Kobe Pat Riley, Phil Jackson or Jerry, West Phut. How about all of them? How are you? Party. Hey, magic still friends bring him into. How old is Jerry West is Jerry Lee. He looks eighty forty eighty. Man. I'd still remember when he wanted to come back. And I thought gosh, you're going to pass up Jerry West. I understood Phil Jackson that you moved on from Phil Jackson because that was a little bit more intricate relationship there with genie and fill in that might be a little tougher in the building. But Jerry West. While he's still breathing to walk it on this earth. I would always want Jerry West in my organization, and if you look at what he's doing with the clippers clippers and remember when the Doc Rivers thing, all you know, he could go and coach the Lakers. I go. Why would you leave the clippers got a great owner? You got a brilliant guy behind the scenes, you got a young team here. If you could have the futures you would want the future of the clippers over the Lakers. You're the first human being out of the race. You can't leave the clippers Lakers. Yes. I am. Yes. Fritzy? God bless them. That only eight he's going to be eighty one next month or it looks great in a year and a half. He's eighty two dance. That is true. If you do the math, I guess Jackson, and then a year after that, he'll be eighty three. That's right. Okay. Thank I don't know. Are you? Sure. Todd eighty two eighty three sounds right? All right. Thank you. I we're gonna take a break. Jeff garland is back in the building. Last time. We talked to Jeff he had some words of advice for fritzy, basically. The telling you you have an earned the right to be a stand up comedian. Well, look at Jeff Carlin to stand in there one. I how much time did you spend picking out that outfit today? I was being picked up at seven fifteen this morning. I started selecting the outfit about seven thirteen k. Were you working out or just giving the impression that you're working? 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There was a way and he wants will. But then. After a second child was born. He realized the pros were all way better than him. So we'll give up and buried his high tops in a tearful ceremony. But one day he heard that Geico could save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch, which was awesome. Oh my goodness. Applies so much about life. When I talked to Jeff garland, Dan Patrick show. Brought to you by Mercedes AM GB prepared for whatever comes your way. The all new GT four door coupe because life is a race vizier local dealership for test drive today, by the way, I like Mercedes Mercedes is a great car, and that car is a great car. Life's not a race. It's no it's for napping, relaxing. Yeah. Yeah. Life's pace at the pace. Yup. Pace yourself, man. Jeff Carlin actor comedian is performing at Caroline's on Broadway tomorrow through Sunday. Yes. You can catch him on the gold birds as well as HBO's curb your enthusiasts which is filmed the new season. And it's it's my favorite season. We've ever done of curb what would surprise me in curb lot of gentle lovemaking. By the way, you and Larry, but I have to say, here's a thing. It's what you want and what you're used to. But the premise without giving it away is something that everyone is experienced and said I wish I could and Larry David does. That's a good tease there. Yeah. That's what the premises and it is delightful. I love it. Because last year we had the last season we have the fought one that for my personal taste that was a bit big. I like the subtle ones. Yes. The ones that are human nature and stuff, and this is truly everybody has experienced this and said I wish I could and Larry David does best cameo on curb turned in by who. Jeez. You know, I can't give any of those away for this year. We don't do this year. Okay. Pass historically. Jeez. Muggsy post. We're he Richard Lewis. I Larry look at it. As weiner. That that's one of my favorites. And he was just such a sport. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. Person I've ever Winona to said Weiner. Let me. I to be really sincere. I'm talking to men everywhere. Don't say the other words for a penis. Okay. Don't okay. When you're talking to a woman, if you say touch, my blankety blank woman's gonna go what you say touch. My Weiner say no, they're all going to say. Yes, I'll be there. Sure wieners delightful. And then when you go right back to make a Sissy. What is wrong with you today? Career. What's gonna be today? You know, what your stand up tomorrow night is going to be no idea. I have no idea as I'm walking to the stage. I will have no idea. It might be. You know, I don't have an introduction. There's no MC when I work and I play a different song every time. I walk up to the stage. And sometimes that song I tell the audience who it is. And about the song. Sometimes the lyrics who wrote it, and that a lead me to think of something which leads to something else and something else, and then 'cause I have complete supreme confidence that I'm funny. So I don't worry about anything else. I brought this up to Jona hill. And and it didn't go over. Well, but I said do people find you less funny when you lose weight, right? And he had gotten skinny yes. In an I I'd maybe I didn't present it in the right way. But he was saying, Dan, how could you say that? But I just curious percent. How could you say, you know? I love Joan hell, I truly have love from. If I could spend more time with him. I tell him to stop taking himself. Seriously. I always tell my children take what you do. Seriously. Don't take yourself seriously. He should've laughed and sit and dealt with it. And the reality is I could be one seventy or three seventy three seventy. I might look a bit uncomfortable. I'm funny. No matter what weight has nothing to do with it. The thing about weight that can help certain people who aren't as funny is it makes you more vulnerable and more accessible when you're heavier. Yeah. You know, there's barley. Yes. But Chris would have been funny at any. Anyway, Chris was just funny period you ever worked with him. Yeah. Yeah. He actually replaced him at second city. I left second city for a while. And when I came back, he was you know, there and Br. Bryant and funny, and he went to a now. Yeah. He was funny. No matter what you saw first time. You saw me went on my God without a doubt when I saw him. And it's so funny. No one you'd think everybody would be talking about somebody everyone is so concerned with themselves than look at others. I love laughing at other people and looking and there's one person who was supremely twice. I've never said it, and I hate the store supreme. I went by the way yesterday. I need a sweatshirt. I went into supreme they made me wait in line. And then they Mark you when you're in line Dorman mocks, you should I let everybody and he's talking about like what kind of power game you. And then I go inside. Then no selection, anyhow, the one person I sought second city that truly when I say from the first second blew me away with Steve Carell, Steve Carell was so amazing that I couldn't believe it. It was doing some characters amazed that he did then he went to Dana Carvey show. And then he got the office after that. Yes. Yes. And have you seen that documentary on on the that show? Here's the thing. I watched that show. I know everything went on behind the scenes, Robert smugglers is a very close friend of mine. So I knew all that stuff. I knew everything so between knowing the behind the scenes and seeing the show when it aired because it was my friends, I knew all that stuff. And yes, it was fascinating that failed with those people. He's Jeff garland, you can seem at Carolina on Broadway tomorrow through Sunday. Of course, the goldbergs HBO's curb your enthusiasm. Yes, I've been mentioning this leaker situation. And during the commercial break, you said that you got chance sit next to Jerry West. Here's the here's the thing. I've been a bulls fan my life. Okay. My whole life. It's like the Knicks. I don't you can't expect me to keep going and support a team when you showed such disrespect and the Knicks are worse than the bulls. And the bulls a noth- with how they've destroyed that team. So when I went to LA. Numerous people said, hey, and by the way, former knick fans Doug Robinson produces the golden for one for sure come onto the Knicks come over to the Knicks. So I start going to the Nick games. And I'm having a ball. And I'm like this is a team I start watching every game one night. I at the amount the staple center, and I meet Mr. bomber. And he's a delight and the invites me to go to a game with him. So about three weeks ago. I went to the game had dinner with Mr. bomber before the game sat with him during the game Jerry West to my right spent talked to Jerry West during the game. And halftime I talk with Jerry West Jerry West who I always look at from the stands going looking focus is he stoic. And he knows every new one which by the way, he doesn't know every nuance. But that dude ain't stoic. And you know, what he was obsessed with we? Talked about the the college players coming out. And he loves he thinks the best player in the draft is the number two guy. What's his name RJ Barrett? No, the other one Yama rant John Moran. Thanks, John Moran is a miracle. It should you be saying this? I don't care. I mean, it's very west. I know like if Jerry West other GM's, if they listen to you should pay attention. That's what I'm I think I would take over Zion. You know, why his Jerry was? No reason I don't know enough, but a Jerry West, but here's the thing. Now, talk some basketball with them talked a lot of basketball up. Steve bomber during the game. He screaming for defense. He cares so much. He cares. What he's Orissa's owner riches owner in sports forget basketball in sports. They're going to get one if not two without a doubt of these pig free agents because they're so well, run and doc is the best dots. Good friends. Larry, David I've gotten to know DACA little bit the best do they play golf together. They play golf together. But do you know what Jerry West was talking about and half time? You want to know what he was obsessed with how about this? Okay. I'm gonna take a break take bridgeable out after the break. Stay and there's. His. Participate. We'll come back with Jeff Garlan right after this on the Dan Patrick show. Okay. This is just a thirty second commercial. And I'm gonna throw a lot of numbers that you, please. Please stay with me in just fifteen minutes. You could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. 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There was an article in the New York Times, which I had read about how how this one company out of Italy. Charges so much money for prescription glasses by prescription glasses should be next to nothing. And this one company has made it so expensive. And he was incensed I was too but hearing Jerry, and then he was also in sense that a lot of the local businesses in his hometown have gone out of business because of Amazon, and he was incense. And this is what he talked about the whole time and Palmer is very much about a free market and do argue, but Stephen smile at Gerry was going off on this. We were talking during the commercial break about can you be too good looking to be funny. Can you like we, and we have a theory that if Brad Pitt we didn't know Brad Pitt as an actor? But he came out on stage as Bradley Cooper as a stand up the cannot do it. A skill level. Here's the thing you can pull it off. But you have to have as good looking you? Are you have to have a skill level that high, you know, be that funny? Dane cook it when he was younger. He was he's funny. You know? Yeah. I mean funny enough and good look little too good. Looking. No. But here's the thing. There's a group of comedians, and and by the way, I'm not begrudging them. They're born this way. And I put Dane as one of them a Krista Leah's another one these are guys that look like in high school. They were bullies. And to me from David Letterman all around and all directions comedians. We're the underdogs. We're the little guys and we point out hypocrisy, and what's funny and make fun of it. We're not the bullies. So there's a whole group now that come off to me like, I don't I don't wanna say that Dane or Chris aren't funny because they are funny, and they're talented. But to me, there's a vibe of you picked on people. You know what I mean? And I came from. I'm one of the little guys iron Letterman reason, I included Letterman at the beginning was Letterman talked about that in high school. Being you know, I- weird high school experience for comedian. I was the most popular kin school like the kid when you're the class clown. You're usually outcast goes. Oh god. I was the class clown. And how will you treat it? Royally. I mean. Yeah. I mean, I say basketball star. Oh, you played basketball later got a cheerleader girlfriend vocal pumpkin patch with my family. And so I'm kidding. Throw it in there. That was worth every second. Like what? Would have been fun to grow up, pumpkin. Patch? What's your family? Do pumpkins. Anyhow. No. I think that there's a group, but as I mentioned, Sarah Silverman, sheep broke through with the Kasese so beautiful and she is equally as funny as beautiful. She is see that's why she's the exception. Most other beautiful women. Do not become great comedians. I had a real embarrassing moment with Sarah Silverman. What happened? I was on Jimmy Kimmel. And I didn't realize they were dating. They just started dating and all of a sudden Sarah silverman's off to the side not on stage over there, and she's going like this and right now, Alanis Morissette was the guest, you know, she was on with Jimmy the whole week and writing so we're just sitting there as Lantis more sets over here. Singing, and I I think our Silverman is waving me. So she's going like this. And you know, and I'm going man, I'm killing out here. So commercial break she starts to walk up. I get up out of my chair. You're losing. And then I I was like, I don't know what's going to happen here. But I think it's go time. Right. And she walks over and gives Kimmel kiss, and I go. Oh boy. What here's the thing. She didn't notice you if she was in. Sarah's a commitment to like that. So she only saw Jimmy. She didn't see you making ASI yourself. She's a knows now told me the story or just I'm just saying, no. But you if you see her say. Yeah. It but trust me. She did not notice. I said it's a Sandler because Sandler grew up with Sarah Silverman. I told him the story, and you know, he's like Danny, Danny what's wrong. I there's the scene in swingers at the very end when Vince Vaughn is in the diner, and there's very. And she's got a baby. And she's doing a reality show with Vince fun, Vince Vaughan, Tom Morello, and I are doing a reality show Morella. Yeah. So asked me what channel it's on where it's going to be. Where's it going to be Jeff? I have no idea asked me what it's about. You have no idea either. No. We started filming at cubs opening day. We started filming we have a crew we started filming a reality show. And it was hysterical. I don't know what it's about. And I don't know where it's going to be. So this is three guidance, by the way. Yes. Three Chicago's Morello's. Yup. Yup. Diehard white one it you just call it. I don't know what it is. But we by the way, I think it's we don't know we were figuring it out. But by the way, it's already like paid for and being found is it green lit or green lighted screen Greenland Greenland making. And it's paid for don't know what it's about. Yeah. And it was conceived two weeks ago. This phone conceived it two weeks ago and viscous what about Tommy Morello done? Swear to God. I wouldn't put you three together. Right. It's not exactly. Yeah. Two of us. Tom Morello's the wild card. No matter what we're looking to him for the comedy. Although he's got a great sense of humor. Just let him play guitar. Oh my God. The the ghost of Tom Jody when he Springsteen Tamang. Unbelievable online to YouTube when the show's over, and of course, and watch him rip it rip it in. And you've got some pretty good guitar players in that in Springsteen's band, and they almost like bow down to you guys. Franken that live and at blew my mind. Do you remember first time you run let him? Yes. I do like it was. Yes, I remember not sleeping for two nights before literally going forty eight hours without sleep. I was so excited. I had a dream when I did sleep prior to that of bombing, which I'm not a negative guy and Letterman behind me shaking his head. Now. I remember standing in the wings. And they started playing my intro music, which gotta give it up by Marvin Gaye is what I requested. And what's the gentleman's name pulled the curtain? Biff biff Henderson, and he pulled the curtain and account this and the ad solvent theater came over me. Because I had my friends my friend's girlfriend had said to me a week before, you know, you're doing what you're supposed to be doing and to myself in that moment, I went I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And I went out and killed. But aren't you listening for Letterman's laugh at all? Well, I don't. Yes. Of course. And I heard it, and I knew I was destroying and I just knew he's gotta be digging this any dead. So it was it was one of the great invited over. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was I hated being on Letterman. Really, I've never comfortable. Well, he doesn't make combined sale Lono. And then I was on. Leto and Jay's back there. Power. The Jay Leno thing. Right. So I do Leno show and there's a package in my dressing room a little box before I go out. I go out. It comes by says allow is very warm and welcoming I go out and there's a cue for me to tell a story. I've brought a Cup which I actually have which the cops gave away at their games with them with a Coker Pepsi of a cubs outfielder jumping and the ball over the fence. For my life. They're nuts. This years how much time. Do I have seen? Thirty. So his cue for me to tell the story because they worked at a time is as you're from Chicago. He gave me the cute twice app. I'd only done it. Home in the car. I opened the box. It says great job tonight. He told me that show. 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NBA Draft Bubble Deep Dive and Combine Thoughts; Celtics Options?

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NBA Draft Bubble Deep Dive and Combine Thoughts; Celtics Options?

"Hello and welcome to the game theory podcast. I'm your host Sam vasini. We are presented by the athletic here today on the show. We've got the legend Matt Penny off building. We are going to talk about the Boston Celtics and how they rebuild because penny is up in that neck of the woods. We're going to talk about some of the guards in the early first or Chuck's first early second-round range. We're going to talk about the new NBA draft combine. And is it worthwhile as this even worth doing and then finally home we have some bubble thoughts and takeaways and whether or not the recency bias of the bubble is going to kind of replace the recency bias the typically occurs for Scouts in the NCAA tournament. So I am really excited to talk about that with penny so Matt, he is here with me. How you doing, man? I'm right down the middle right now. You have the the high of a Patriots win 1:00 the Lova Celtics win at 7:30. So if you split the difference, that's probably where I am right now. So let's talk about the Celtics cuz I recorded with Seth part now on Monday. We talked a lot about the NBA Finals in the Miami Heat in the Los Angeles Lakers, but I find where the Celtics are going fascinating this summer because you brought up a really good point here in terms of in this happened before the show of they have 12 guaranteed contracts next year. They have faith you restricted free agents. They have three first-round picks. They figure out how they're going to handle everything that's going on here. So, I'm very intrigued to see how they kind of retool and kind of maneuver this roster on the Fly cuz I don't know that they really need a whole lot to figure out how to continue to compete for the NBA finals every year. I mean, they're going to get natural improvement from Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. They're going to get another year of Kemba Walker and Gordon Hayward not likelihood Marcus Smart still can exist. There are a few real need positions, but I feel like they're in pretty good shape. I agree with that and I felt that they probably matched up maybe a little bit better with Milwaukee than me too. I mean you you touched on my points. They have 12 guaranteed contracts and you look at the bench and Gordon Hayward going to be fine. Right? I want leg really tough through it. You can't get him in some became. It's Robert Williams and Grant Williams game some good time, but you probably need another scoring punch Off the Bench whether that's a a bigger or maybe some more upfront. I'm with you that there are going to be dead. Okay mean we're in such a alarmist place in Boston and just kind of like an aside for I think people know how maniacal Celtics and Boston fans are got my haircut on Thursday off the barbershop socially distance appropriately and there's one other guy in there and he said, you know, I was listening to talk radio and they're saying that Stephens doesn't pull this out maybe firing him. So that's like the crazy start you're dealing with with fans everything in this area. But I think part of the solutions like you said is they need some Dynamic scoring and and I would say probably a big regard you sort of the stuff that Miami was doing against Kemba Walker putting him screwing actions supposed to rain really good ATO out of a timeout expose them to post. So I think that would help wage where they're going but the cupboards fairly on to your point like you're going to have to make some moves here Tatum and and Jaylen Brown be a year older you hope their growth and maturity moving down. The to stay on the trajectory it's on but you're far from finished product. I'm still optimistic. I'm not little people that it's jumping off the train now. Yeah, I think they have every reason to be optimistic home. If you're a Celtics fan they have one of the best young cores in the league. They have a really good point guard and Kemba Walker and they have younger players and Grant Williams and Robert Williams who are growing and suck in all likelihood figure out how to help them. So I guess that here is where I go from here. You mentioned the idea of of getting a guard and I agree with that Brad Wanamaker is a restricted free agent. I think they probably should try to bring him back as long as the price is appropriate. I think they could use another scoring option Off the Bench. They really just didn't have any real versatility of options that they could go to especially with Gordon Hayward kind of hobbling around I mean shout-out Gordon Hayward for being willing to play off. On the like that he was playing on just like with his wife also giving birth to their fourth child while he's in there. Yeah, for sure. Like I'd I'm sure that Gordon Hayward is probably getting killed right now in the Boston media because he had what like two points and like one rebound or something yesterday. But yeah, that's absurd and I think that it's a credit to him that he was willing to take back and try to fight through it cuz he really did help them. I believe in it was Game 3 whenever he returned really kind of break through that zone momentarily at least but the big thing that they need to break through Thursday is just more scoring options. And in offense that isn't Reliant or as reliant on isolation creation as it is because this offense didn't have a ton of bowel movement. I felt like and that's that's what they could use almost more than anything. They need guys who can really really move the ball at a high level. Yeah, that's a good point. And if you saw in the game last night or whatever was that it got some good to access some decent action went ice Poseidon that high-ball screen and Kemba was going off that and hitting the way and in a brown is ripping through and he did really good of attacking but they hit this this Mark at five minutes of 40 seconds left in the game. They're down one. You blink two minutes later. They're down ten. That's even more bad threes today this whole they probably wait a little long to go back to going small to Grant Williams on bam and then by the 2:40 Mark, they're down fourteen. The game's over. So I was a used to kind of get away from what they were doing that made them successful in their 15446 Route 3. It's hard to win games like that, especially with Gordon Hayward who he did help boost the floor. Even on one leg. I mean you have to respect and they're closing a little bit there, but there's not that guy off the bench that you're like, okay, here's here's a quick ten points over 22 minutes log. There's that and a lot of what worked for them in that big run in the early fourth-quarter even in the late third-quarter I guess is when it kind of started was they were using grammar Williams and just switching every action defensively and right they went away from that. I don't know why they went back to type to be honest. I thought that was if anything was the Brad Stevens down or outside of just not being able to run anything offensively like they got zero good shots and this last like eight minutes it felt like I kind of felt like they should had gone back to switching because in playing Grant Williams Because what it was doing is it was increasing the amount of ball pressure that was out on some of Miami's ball-handlers and it was creating a transition opportunities offensively So Not only was working defensively it actually was helping them get easier looks offensively right and it's it's hard to predict that Bama to buy. Oh, it's going to have this like a wage. Moment where it's like almost like right now and then he's they have a nice face up. He dumps uptight and then he's like what you see the the momentum and the the Swagger of like he knew that he could do whatever he wanted and at that point, it's too late. Yeah, I totally agree. The thing is with theis. He got demolished by bamboo and I'm not saying the crime Williams wouldn't have also gotten demolished by damn but like there there's just no circumstance where you put Tice back in that game and then after he got destroyed like I don't understand why they decided to roll with them like the whole way that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But Thursday is a lot smarter than I am. So I think it's more than me too. Yeah, someone had a tweet to that like it's really great to see all these like people in other professions say they're better coach at Stephen or Thursday. It looks like I'm super surface-level Tice gave them some really good minutes throughout the playoffs, you know, what's that? He won them games, but here's there to push him over the top last night. Obviously, not much money doesn't buy any team that they lost to I do feel like as an Assad was like created to haunt me Duncan Robinson played division three basketball didn't know that home. No, I didn't I've never in my life. You're going to pause. It was like, oh no she processing the so he played for Middlesex magic unsponsored through Steam wage this area and he was just a miss that everyone here missed on. I don't think fifteen raised in New England recruiting report. He works with ESPN. He's the best of the best if you had him 47th in the class in New England, I mean just happened 6 gig a lot better off. You have Tyler hero who the Celtics had the stories trickling out. They had him on the draft board. He goes to Miami the Arizona room. They draft Rumble Lankford who I'm not going to write them off yet, but he's got a long way to go to pick up him and then for Billion Auto bio, he played on the circuit for loaded, but he played in a couple Under Armour events, which was the elite 24, which is an All-Star Game in New York. And at that game we built a basketball court on the Brooklyn Bridge Park. It was like a soccer field and they had levels and laser beam. We put that out there and they they put up seats and it's a big production and we got these hoops, like real NBA grade baskets not the kind that you kind of roll out for summer camp and put like an old forty-five template on like a real hoops. And I remember the gossiping up I said we going to have any issues here with kids Duncan and he looked at me and kind of said nobody like me like ten thousand pounds of force to move. This thing said, okay fine so long game start it off and some of the best players in class are playing and we'll kind of celebrating on the events of operation side cuz to get their takes a lot of work and it's the first half so will miss is the light out and somehow bam and Michael Porter Jr. Catch a ball off the rim like together simultaneously dunk the ball alley-oop it and like the hoop flight took off the phone now. It's like my life flashed before my eyes like this is going to be a disaster on Sports Center in three hours. Luckily the hoop felt back in the butt had that same pause when he faced up and yellow and Duncan wage. End of the series. So thanks Maya. And then also Pat Riley is the head of the evil empire for the Lakers growing. So it's just like every pin that can be prodded into me just happened at the same time. Yeah. I mean I will say like the hero stories with the Celtics that's real. Yeah, which I had her but you always take with a grain of salt and it's like everyone's dusting off the Robinson played at Williams college town. I know he's not we're going to do damage in the draft out of here. Oh, yeah, like I hear oh I had hero mocked to them did my final mock because I'd been told that way they liked them. So like it was it's definitely a thing. Like I know that it's like kind of, you know, almost pouring salt in the wound now and really I'm just like kind of fucking with you at this point, but I'm also probably isn't this the player we're like describing some good sized Off the Bench can score a little bit could do some stuff to create an offense. There's a punch. I can't tell here. Oh great. Well really wage. I feel like I need to pour some salt in the wound for you because the the fantasy league that you and I are in I would spend the team the team that I would have built in that league is the worst team in fantasy football history like kids. I mean you drafted six wide receivers to start like I respect your work and should probably be in the the front office. But the first time I see it was a GM that was what you rolled out. So, yeah, like what's On the Border? I guess I didn't dress 6. I drafted three in the world three three cheese is the three in a row to start. It was not it's not like total abject failure. The problem was that all three of those receivers missed the first rap or missed week too because it was Michael Thomas Godwin and Kenny golladay, and it's hard to come back. If your top three picks are all out at the same time stuff. I have Chris Caffery, where's figuring out wage? Find a way. Yeah, and in that vein in the vein of fantasy football and in the vein of just object disasters yesterday. Let's get to a Draft Kings add. Good Lord, did my teams in DraftKings yesterday get murdered. I lost a good amount of money, but we started with twenty two teams. Hang down to Orlando. And now we're down to the final two. That's right. Basketball's final two teams are set. We're off to see who will be crowned basketball champion in there is no better place to get in on all of the action than with DraftKings the leader in one day fantasy sports to celebrate basketball championship. DraftKings will have millions of dollars in total prizes up for grabs all week long. So get in on all the action now if you haven't tried it yet fantasy basketball is easy to play just pick six players stay under the salary cap and pile up points 3-pointers rebounds assists and more. There's no better way to put your basketball knowledge to the test than to compete for shots at millions of dollars with millions of dollars up for grabs this week. There's no better place that's off the game and DraftKings download the Draft Kings app now and use that promo code run run to get a free shot at millions of dollars up for grabs this week with your first deposit. That's promo code run off. To get a free shot at millions of dollars with your first deposit only at DraftKings minimum $5 deposit required eligibility restrictions. Apply see draftkings.com for details. Yeah, the thing about this fantasy team that I drafted was returning. It's deep feel. Oh no, I mean back from commercial being like well, wait a minute. I have another Point here. Oh, no, it's painful off. I figured that I could make it work later it running back this year because I didn't really like the position but I figured D'Andre Swift would take over in Detroit Midway through the Year Josh Kelly took a good flyer to take right Josh Kelly's really worked out by the way. Like Tony Pollard is a good flyer to have in case Ezekiel Elliott gets hurt Benny Snell I think is still probably the best running back in Pittsburgh. No, he's not playing I now have Cam Akers who is out right now, but I picked him up off the waiver wire. So like I'm not dead at running back, but the problem is now like I think that the second running back I drafted was Tarik Cohen, who tore his ACL yesterday. So you need to score a hundred plus points before we started talking about that but I get it. It's it's hard. I usually sing like the drafts. I think I do well and I stank the ones I think I think I do better. Yeah, it's in like I don't even draft like that. Particularly. I drafted Dak Prescott who has been freaking awesome like Chris Godwin scored yesterday Kenny golladay scored in his first game yesterday like Darren Waller was amazing in week one. I probably should have one week one cuz I drafted jonnu Smith, but started Darren Waller over him like it was yeah, I might go been so that's my favorite line yesterday off catches to your house to touch down to get love it. It's great. Like that's what you're looking for. So there's a chance I go winless in this league. I really think there's a chance I go winless in this league. There should be a penalty for one thing. I don't know what it is, but we should discuss that. Yeah. I'm not sure what it's going to be but we'll have to discuss it before we go know sometimes a lot of time there. There's a non-zero chance that I go winless in this which is hilarious because like my the one that I'm in with like my college friends like it's like a Crazy Diamond league and my team is like dominant that's like saying in Middle School. You have a girlfriend from another town, right? Oh, yeah. Should I she lives over there? It's a good one works. Yeah, you should you should see that. She looks great great, but good God this this team is a nightmare and it's the bane of my existence setting this line-up every week off. All right, let's let's talk about the Celtics real quick in terms of what they do going forward here. Cuz I think that that's interesting. You did mention the 12 guaranteed contracts. You did mention the three draft picks my guess here in terms of what they try to do. They have Daniel theis they have Robert Williams. I think they're pretty comfortable at the center position. They might try and draft one like that one son me, but I'd be relatively surprised if both ends off. During Vince on play on this team next year just cuz I don't see a world where they get real minutes. Yeah. I also don't see a world where they keep all their three draft picks either I think off. Possible if they do. Yeah, I think you're probably looking for like we talked about a a guard or a big of guard probably another day despite what you just said and then a roll the dice and a guy but but I'm not I'm not put any stock into them people three. Yeah, I'd be surprised if they did as well. But we also said that last year and they did end up keeping three picks. They moved around the board and kind of made some different thing happened. But you know, they did end up taking all of Romeo Langford Grant Williams and carsen Edwards. So like I can't tell I can never tell what this team cuz there's like the room was that there was the jail and Brown draft they ended up taking like six or seven guys in that draft in like not all the made the team obviously, they stashed a couple but it was like it's very bizarre the way that they tend to operate on draft night. Yeah, they could watch to that's a good point under the first mean you have some guys that you could just put overseas and see if they pan out. It's not a hit against what you need to put on a year. Next year, so I mean just put a bow on this thing. What's your kind of projected you? I'm reading that you kind of see the Celtics starting 5 more or less same and then adding another pump to On The Edge. Yeah, I do see the starting five is the same like I would be trying to draft like a playmaking guard if I was them and preferably one with some size. That's kind of a differentiation from Kemba Walker like RJ Hampton I think makes sense for them. If they could move up for Tyrese Haliburton. I think that would make a lot of sense for them. Killian Hayes would make a lot of sense for them. Like I think both Hayes and Halliburton probably don't get the 14. I think Tyrese Maxey either. Yeah, like I think Tyrese Maxey makes sense for them because Tyrese's bigger and stronger and More Physical than Kemba Walker is even though he's only like six three. Has been paying I think makes sense for them. And then you always have to account for these like bigger Wings just because they really like to take these guys like a large huge Robert Warder Cassius Stanley leaves tomorrow like they're going to take at least one of those like bigger Wings slash like Wing forwards in this class just because they've draft picks and they're going to be guys that follow the 26 or 30 right off. So Josh greens another one that like makes sense for what they tend to like. So yeah, you're rattling off like every name I had in my head for those spots. I know you said it but maybe Tyler Bay a read later age lacks. Oh, no kidding same here. It's like Beetlejuice, but people think I don't like Paul read like poetry. It's not about to pull in apple read. Oh, yeah. I don't think I start every podcaster saying like I don't get it but he's 36th. Yeah, right every every time I do a mock draft. It's like yeah, look, I don't want it. Yeah. Well, no, but yep. If they want to play small even more mean they've got some good minutes out of Grant Williams. Maybe they need a little bit more size there a little bit more versatility. So if somewhat of a mold, I see two yeah, like a pressure module would be pretty interesting for them. I think if they do want to have an option that's bigger longer and super athletic they can also like switch on defense because precious is just a crazy athlete who is definitely going to be able to switch Patrick Williams is also a guy that like fits everything that they look for in prospects. It feels like just begin or Miss body that also is going to be able to be developed skill wise like there are a lot of guys that I think makes sense for them in this draft like it that's why I'm like struggling. Is there a chance that they decided not to? Actually use a lot of these pics because it is a draft where a lot of the players tend to profile for what they look for. It is such a bam adebayo draft too. It's like every every Prospect is he bam? Can you show me stuff? I like precious to me. And I've tried to be a wing like Jimmy Butler I think. Will be great and the 20 did emphasize really bought it. He bought an amount for accounting me the year before I'm just I'm worried that he was shooting wing and he's worked out with Abdul rauf and New York who's a nod believable shooter and bodies adding that as as hopefully more consistent weapon, but he needs to focus on what he's good at. What makes them intriguing for the modern MBA. Yeah. He's a v I think like I think precious is Joey a v but I don't know if you find the 5. Yeah. No, I think that that's that's definitely everything I've heard as well. Like does he believe that he's a five? I'm not sure but if he plays the five, he's actually like to me like the comparison that's been made is onion calling Wu to Bam adebayo, I think precious is closer to Bam in terms of athleticism and switch ability. And like if you look at them emphases Rim protection numbers this year as well. Memphis was the best Rim Protection Team and basically all of college basketball this season, I would imagine the precious played a pretty significant role in that in addition to some of the birth. Audience they had there so I get it and I do like in Yucca better cuz I think edeka is a much better offensive Prospect who knows his role and as much better passer and can kind of do a self but I think freshest is closer to like the athleticism and the quick twitchiness that bam has and I don't think either of them are going to be banned. Like, let me be very clear on that. But oh no, I don't either. Yeah. Yeah. I think that when you're looking at the physical tools and you're trying to make a comparison to like that kind of skill-set precious is closer for me personally. I think I'm going to go the other direction but I I listen I hear argument. I just like a, more. I mean, I don't obviously he's not going to page and when the Celtics are acting and then also so Freaky, athletically and just going back and watching some of his old high school highlights and stuff. She was even like bigger. He's leaned out in my opinion. He is more versatile Choice morning. He just wasn't that stuff as much in high school and college would have to so who shall I guess of that one? So if we made this a band on a bio drinking game people be like in trouble. Because everyone's just committed this the the band he's the guy we do it know like bands don't exist every year like this. That's not a thing. You know what I mean? Like everyone's going to try and find it. I totally agree with you but these guys aren't a thing like you have to take what's there in the draft like just because James Wiseman is not necessarily bam. Adebayo in terms of his life quick-twitch switch ability stop. It doesn't mean he's not going to be a very effective NBA player. Right. Yep. I do think a lot of people going to try to replicate some of Miami's formula and their DNA for Roth probation too. Cuz they did it a little bit differently than what you would expect and so often I just rely on. Okay, you need one of these for wings guys to win the NBA championship and that's still may be true, but they went a little bit unorthodox way they run through Milwaukee that run through Boston and they're like the surprise almost like Cinderella NCAA tournament type team made the NBA Finals. Well, yeah and add to cart spacers. You add veteran point guard some size up front but the tougher bigger wins and you go Zone you get Crowder and Butler up top. It's just a different kind of the way our our our minds have been shifted off put Five Guys on the court. Well, I think that what's interesting about the way that Miami has gone about this is that they they have built from the wing out at the end of the day off. That's absolutely what they've done here. Like they drafted or they got Jimmy Butler and they drafted Tyler hero and they found Duncan Robinson and like you look at their Acquisitions this year. It was wrong with Allah and Jae Crowder. Like they really have focused on building out Wing depth, which I think is the most important thing that you can do in today's modern NBA and I've certainly been making that point for years upon years now, it feels like having said that it's just very interesting to me that the thing that did put them over the top was this multi versatile Center and Bam like bam was the best choice in that Boston series by far and trying to find that guy and trying to find that like do you think it's as simple as trying to find that archetype of player that can unleash it or do you think that you need to be able to do change everything that bam can do because like part of the thing with their zone is that they can play guys like Jimmy Butler and Jae Crowder and they can even play them out top on their Zone and then it's becomes impossible to life. You know, everyone's saying oh just just have to get the ball to the foul line. You have to get the ball to the nail your fucking hard it is to get the ball to the nail under the foul line. Whenever you're trying to throw entry passes around Jimmy Butler and took J Crowder even write crazy difficult. Yeah. That's why I thought again the Celtics did a good job. They're screening that first guy heading to the nail and then having them react a little bit and then They're still quick shots from the perimeter in terms of back and finding this guy in an unleashing error or what not. Like I don't necessarily think it's it's taught but it's it's digging Beyond wage surface-level stuff of what did what they do in college that really who they are as the the full player proper person. Now, the the other of Miami folklore stories thoughts making it's running again as the ban and it work out and maybe we transition combine stuff like this. It's like you went in there. They put them into ball screen stops and swooping action and they said you guys got me messed up. He didn't say messed up. He threw the ball game but not said Sorry by and maybe it takes those type of work out to see more of that from players. So yeah, I mean, I've talked to a few different people that had back in for workouts and they were just like this guy's a monster like this guy is exactly what we want. Like he was a bam was kind of all over the board for teams on draft day like not everyone had him there but teams at home. in for workouts consistently had him higher than I talked to like he was he was not getting much farther than 14 if he fell Beyond where Miami was and let's do that to transition to the combine stuff because I don't actually think that the combine itself is particularly valuable. I do think that team workouts are valuable in getting a guy in and having your guys your Traders your coaches run him through what you specifically look for for your own roster and your own style of play off. I think that stuff is actually pretty valuable the other part of it that's valuable is getting a chance to see guys. In the adjustments that they've made in the time off between when they stop playing college basketball or pro basketball in the case of international players and when you actually see them this year that's going to be almost six months in between when players have last been seen and when they have now been seen players can do a lot when they're training wage basketball non-stop for six months. I actually really think that the workout process this year is going to be really vital seeing like for instance. I'll let you talk about this but you know, you grabbed a clip of RJ Hamptons workouts in I believe he's in Memphis and The jump shot looks very very different now. Right. Now it looks significantly better. He's working with Mike Miller who's obviously one of the better Shooters in his time in the NBA and he's I mean artist shop before if you watch old film either from high school and Gail kind of like Slug it from the left side was faced a little bit. His legs are all over the place. He's a much better base. Now, it looks a lot cleaner coming off his hand. He loves more calm and there's nothing in gym, and and we jokingly said it's workout season. But like there was the type of things you hope to see from other guys know what they're doing for six months. I mean, there's guys the NCAA tournament in a normal year to go. I'll go live on a house together. They kind of get are shaped and throw it together for three weeks for a combine or if you work out now that you've six months like I'm more soon. It's like sat around and found it nothing and you might not even know now because the combine list came out and a lot of guys that are in the first round which is historically happens a lot aren't going oh aren't participating in bath. So a lot of it will still be until work. We'll see some more stuff leaked out of these work out videos and and I'm going to have to trust what their scouting departments are telling me that you're not going to have your hands on guys. Like you said traditionally you would so I guess the where I would go from there is do we actually think that this combine is even worth doing like is it worth? Getting all of this measurement info. All this atheletic involved is jump-shooting info. Like I kind of don't think it is. There's really only one thing that I think is valuable. It's going to be coming out of this combine. Obviously, it's the medical aspect of it like NBA teams need to get their hands on as much medical information as they as they can in order to feel confident about taking players, but it is really interesting to me that off the NBA is just like kind of going through with a makeshift combine because of that cuz I just don't know what they're going to get out of them. I give them credit for trying to do something. I don't know if we talked about on here before off long and I don't kind of understand why the nausea fly those kids and maybe one trainer and agent down to Florida where they all are in a bubble in quarantine for a few days and do the stuff down there, but I don't know. I mean, I think it's worthwhile a little bit. I mean, I I received the actual should work out from the agent that it's you can do. It's just a funky process. You can do it up to 3 a.m. Arms, and he uploaded on a an NBA poor and the workout is you warm up with fifty free throws you spot shoot fifty shots at five spots around the perimeter 30 shots off the dribble midnight star drill. So imagine you're running hot spot like a star for 20 shots you do that from NBA three or four twenty shots sites, mid-to-high two minutes beforehand via spots three-point endurance. 5-minute Katja to be three s a cool down fifty free throws. I don't know what that's really showing other than if I'm trying to show them one of the better shoes. But this work out but it just brings shades of occasionally on and how good he looked and it'll be in the sixth pick and you lose out on that competitive aspect of guys are going head-to-head and and wanted one like there's a lot of similar type pieces under the first mid second that it could be somewhat of a separator if they actually got to go into settings that they do sometimes in Old NBA draft workouts, but I do think in short. I think it's better than nothing. I think some of these guys to have put on some weights and wait, maybe they've grown a little bit their ball. Bodies are still developing to be able to put that down on paper there. There's some value there. So I definitely think there's value in seeing a guy should jumpers and if there have been substantial mechanical adjustments like RJ Hampton sharing is very interesting to me. Obviously. This is a Wednesday that this podcast is being released. You might be listening to it on Thursday by now. You'll have read like a pretty deep dive on RJ Hampton Chutney that I've written over at the Athletics of please if you haven't go read that it really is a pretty drastic change and it's not perfect by any stretch like there's still work to be done that I think is you see that like, you know, I think everyone around RJ understands that the work is not done yet and I think RJ understands that as well, it's Very tough though to know oftentimes what to make of guys that have totally changed their mechanics whenever those mechanics aren't being like a closed out on in a competitive environment. Right? Like you need to see do these mechanics stick whenever a player is dead, you know getting a hand in his face flying at full speed a seven foot wingspan hand like that is almost certainly going to make it really really difficult to shoot shot or Are they reverting back to what they've always done in the past? I think that that's a really really difficult concept that. it's tough to wrap your head around and I think that what it does is it creates this six-month layoff creates a lot more variance in the draft process and in the evaluation process and in just generally the selection process because if I was a team and I didn't get a chance to see what kind of work a guy has done over the course of those six months. I will I don't know what I would think about taking that guy like there is a very real chance that there are players who make genuine substantial leaps over the course of from when March ended until when the draft happens in November that is an enormous window of time to get better and that's an enormous window of time that most guys just don't have like think back to the Kawhi Leonard draft that happened in the summer when the lockout happened in the season started if I remember correctly in December that gave him even more time to rep through the mechanics of the jumper, which I think long-term has had very real substance of benefits over his career. I really wonder if We're going to see some very different developmental curves now from these guys getting such a long break to really work on the little intricacies of their game a little flaws in their game. Yeah, and like territory is apparently turning for a UFC fight and put on twenty pounds like that like that stuff. You don't you know, you don't see right and now you see it. It's like all right, like I'm looks like all right. He gets blown on screens. They go out and they attack them. All right, does it get bullied and plowed over as much now? I don't know maybe my favorite just don't know. That's the thing though. You don't want to be at Sloane done more. Is that is that better? Is that like the the grant roller when he tore his ACL and Images freshman year then he spent the whole year bolting up and then he realized his upper body and chest to take charges and be a solid defensive player. After that. Is that a similar byproduct? Maybe the interviews mean there are some guys who are stuck going through the process fascinating to me that your boy polka schefsky is just all in on being this international Man of Mystery like up not doing it. So he's he's out of the clips we have of him are playing and agree B division. He was injured for a lot of the year and he's just like all right roll the dice like he's built a good Buzz. There's some talk late Lottery earlier and he's crept up boards and a lot of people are kind of like who's this guy in the Mystique? Oh so in maybe it's a blue. Maybe it's a bus, but that's the the chance going to have to take on him. Yeah, the puck is schefsky stuff is so incredibly difficult to parse through because like you said the quality of competition of what that guy was playing was so minimal like people bring up like the mblo like is the NBL actually real League. That is good whenever you talk about lamelo ball and RJ Hampton. Yes, the NBL is actually a strong competitive national league with high-level players. Like there are former NBA players in that League the league that Alexei pakka schefsky was playing in Penny might be able to play in that league right now. Like you hold really hope I saw I saw some clips and it did look like the Oaks wear men's league. He played in Austin are graduated. Like they had like, you know Home Alone volleyball net lonely standing in the corner. They had like baskets pushed way and sideways. It's hard to get anything because he doesn't unless you read me that he's seven feet tall in those videos. He doesn't look seven feet tall. He looks like he's 6s the way he kind of fluidly moves. He got shots off the rim, but he's seven feet tall 7-3 wingspan, but he's doing whatever he wants to almost detriment of his development where yes, he's shooting three. He's just he's going to the the lane. He's throwing know that passes the blocking second jump, so they just don't know if it really makes any sense. It's just he's so excited and He's listed right now. I figured up and went after him. I went back and dug through just to see similar type guys of porzingis the birth No, it was twenty. He's 240 now driving. We'll see this 26 like he's nine pounds like it's so you gotta take it with a grain of salt when you're watching Clips, you know, you see a light cut and down there against those guys what's going to happen when you get a forearm in the back in the NBA like so it's it's tough because pocket schefsky is going to enter the draft today team isn't going to turn 19 until December porzingis. If I remember correctly did not enter the draft in his first eligible year and I want to say like want to say he was dead what one you when he got drafted. Yeah, he was older. Yeah, so yeah, like he had 18 months and in those eighteen months like porzingis did really bulk up cuz I remember like I wrote about it at CBS. Like I talked to his trainer over in Iraq Sevilla, Larry Sanders like not the Bucks Larry Sanders, although this Larry Sanders also might have worked for bucks if I remember correctly and he was like, yeah we put on Thursday and like one kilogram per month basically for X number of months to the point where he put on fifteen pounds over the course of a year, which is rare because typically during basketball season guys lose weight, right because you're just start doing a lot of traveling and you're doing a lot of you know in-game stuff and you don't necessarily get a chance to offer really continue to work on your conditioning a lot of the time and continue to lift weights and continue to build bulk right porzingis. They did it differently. I'm just very I don't know how the pocket schefsky thing is going to go like it's and that's not because I can't evaluate like I can evaluate every single thing that this guy is done off and I can evaluate every single thing that he does wrong defensively and I can evaluate how smooth mechanically he looks in terms of his jump shot and how he can run off of screens and set his feet and shoot with a strong base and have really good shot versatility because of it like we can run through every single thing. But so much of it is dependent upon factors. We don't know in terms of how this guy's off frame is going to age. Like I have no fucking idea. I was frames going to age and and he's had a knee injury 3 months. I believe in the season. He like he's not he's 19 in a summer. Right? So it's not a finished product. That's a guy if you have just in a fantasy where the Celtics have three picks like that's the dice roll you take with the third one. It's like all right, two guys home. Now that works great. If it doesn't that's fine too or if you goes to a contender late in the first need him right away. There's not that pressure to produce and you can develop and can add strength. Maybe he is a a boom prom. I'm terrible at International guys. I'm figuring out International competition. I'm sure someone's going to tell you or me that all you want is played in the Greek be League didn't know that one either so I don't know what to make of a might take is like I don't have it take I know it's like a terrible dance to have but it's just I know he's semi well-traveled. He's been scouted multiple times who's at the Jordan brand classic Camp. He was at home with our borders an adult. Who's at the all-star weekend thing in Charlotte. I played on the used a few in World Championship scene for Serbia. So it's around a little bit. It's not like this fake expect, but I'm just not calm enough right now to say he's the 15th pic. Then anyone who does so with confidence on paca schefsky I think is just lying because there's there is no confidence here. Like they're just may be any confidence you can decide that you know what this package of skills at seven foot tall if the mobility translates and the shooting translates the upside. It's just so vast that we can decide to take him at number eight or whatever and I'm not specific like specifying that the Knicks like him right? I'm just like throwing out an upper next oil go nuts man. I started off video and you would have thought that you know, I told them the Nicks were taken on based on the response right like to get them going. You can make the case that this particular set of skills is just so valuable that you have two dice roll, right because he can be the like genuine Difference Maker off for a team. I don't know that I'm quite there I get the argument but you really have to buy into him being able to be something defensively and while he shows some very real mobility and show some very real Rim protection potential so much of it just depends on strength like in strengths that we don't know that he's going to be able to develop long-term and if he does he is going to be an awful difference-maker, but if he doesn't he's probably not an NBA player like that that is that is a Chasm of difference. Yeah. He's an All-Star. He's he's back playing for olympiakos. They're stepping down to they said that his team played a lot of zone. So it's like it's a good defender or is he good Zone Defender doesn't matter anymore because now the NBA's is only got guess but he does have long arms to have to learn not to harm. On his March he does have a burst defensively to get lanes and disrupt Affleck. Like he'll jump passing Lanes out in the perimeter and then convert 4 dunk again to come to the great but there's stuff there, He's not just this post Defender that's on Buckshot the rim like he I don't know how much he can sweat a whole guys a little bit. Who are your kind of like cops for him? I don't think that there is one. Okay, like that's a that's a cop-out. I understand that but yeah, no, no that's part of the problem with evaluating him almost as like you can't really compare it to anything that exists right now cuz he's so much more quick-twitch than porzingis. Right? Like it's great. Not even not even the same Stratosphere those two in terms of like switch right like I mean it's a lot more quick-twitch than like bucevic. Is it like almost? Like the closest thing is like siaka me in that League. I mean, he's he's whoever you want that leak cuz he's so he's right. He's like almost Anthony Davis in that league, but like he's not Anthony Davis obviously. No, I don't think so. Like I mean, who would you say cuz like that's what I really don't have. Yeah. No, I just like the the size. I was like foreign size porzingis, but then I know it's not a good call like you could maybe almost bring up like but he can dribble and like Robert Covington dribble. Like there isn't there isn't a guy that makes total sense. Like bam can't really issue like he can dribble and handle the ball like, you know in a similar manner in that setting right to what bam does in the NBA but yeah, it's not he's not bam either. I know God he's impossible I think to be able to evaluate in many ways and the skill-set is so tantalizing that you almost like teams are going to have to roll the dice at some point. They they just absolutely walk through because the upside is worth it. Yeah, there's there's teams rooting for him to know the second round and I don't know if he's gonna make oh, there's no way that guy gets the second round. I think there's an there's no I know what I'm saying. There there's a there's a camp. That's like yeah, right, right. So if if he gets to a second round about follow like if he gets to the second round, there's no way he's getting past Dallas at 31. Like I don't think it's fast Dallas at eighteen, right? Just in that has nothing to do with like me saying the Dallas likes them but like Tony ronzoni and that International scouting department is just insane. And by the way, if Dallas was to pass on him once or twice. The rest of the league should Wonder wait why because there is no one better digging up information and figuring out what makes these guys tick then Tony ronzoni in the dash scouting Department. for the rest All right, before we move on to the next part of the show here. I just I got to tell you about Coors Light. Do you ever feel like you're always on man? I do I'm off of moving and good God. I feel like I have to be on for eighteen hours a day right now. 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Like I said took my Saturday off Sunday watching Boston Sports a lot of football is perfect. Oh, that's a that's a fantastic day Penny. Let's let's move on though. Let's talk. I don't know. Do you want to talk about birth? You want to talk about the bubble and just like kind of draft takeaways for the bubble. Maybe this is the way we'll do it will talk about the bubble and this idea of the bubble bath and the way that the bubble has affected NBA teams and the way the team building in specific types of teams have advanced in the playoffs this year and whether or not it will result in recency bias in a positive or negative way toward the NBA draft in 2020 because I think it's really interesting. Like I think there is a good chance that teams look at what my job is done and look at how some of the role players for Denver even like guys like Gary Harris and Paul Millsap and jerami Grant and Michael Porter Jr. And Torrey Craig, like these guys are all Athletics somewhere between a six foot four and six foot nine, like maybe Michael Porter six foot ten, I guess but doesn't play like that. Obviously, it does around the basket in terms of rebounding but definitely more athletic than your typical 6 a.m. And got finding these kind of athletes who can shoot and who are versatile defensively and you can obviously we talked about Miami's roster. Look at the guys that the Lakers have had success play sneak. Danny Green and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. You look at the guys that Celtics have built their roster around in terms of the wing position. I really do wonder if teams start to inch those guys up the draft bought a little bit. Yeah, so part of it too is the recent recent Vias. It's usually reserved for NC double tournament. There's a there's a guy to that has a great tournament Mart and then just changed our lives down two of us a higher draft position the Malachi Richardson. For instance. Great. I was going to say the Zach Collins their 2017 Gonzaga. He comes off the bench. He has Fourteen Points 13006 blocks the national semifinal and then they lose a shame shipped in North Carolina. He goes 10th over guess who am I to buy? Oh, so like that stuff does happen. I like I'm with you suck on on what you're describing for Denver though is the The Versatile wings wisata that were talking from Miami to like they're just going to be a more of an emphasis on taking those type of guys and and I'd also say that Duncan Robinson stuff with Force base with stewed. Is that Erin nice with is that a guy deeper like a a Jordan Alora who robbed doctor wrote about last week is the guy Those Shooters as someone in NBA sent me too. They're always emotion. Right? So it's like Duncan Robinson. It wasn't like catch-and-shoot all that he tax and they'd hit the high post. You have a little post keeps screaming where he died. We run back another screen. Hope they switched he is an inch. He's he's pulling up he can fade he hit shots on the Move. That's why like I'm not as quick though that somebody in the in this in the stuff like dog needs to do come off a lot of action. We talked about that before at Vanderbilt, but I don't know if necessarily there's a perfect fit there that that's his mold. Yeah, I think Naismith probably the closest one that I've seen, you know, somewhere between six foot five and six foot six 6:10 wingspan has size does have the quick-release does get his feet set. The biggest difference though between Doug Robinson and the general floor spacer is kind of something you alluded to their Duncan can just get more shots off than other guys because it's releases so quick and because he's so good at setting his feet so quickly off. There isn't really a guy in this class that I think does that at his level and look he's gotten better at it since he left Michigan. By the way, the funniest thing in the world to me is that he came off the bench for this Michigan team that went to the office NCAA finals with Isaiah livers and Muhammad Ali abdur-rahkman and the starting lineup like Devin Booker was a six-man. We'll get to that a minute. Yeah, like the guy that probably stands out the most to me as just like a super ridiculous high-level shooter is Sam Merrill actually have Sam Merrill as a top forty guy now in this class because he's ability to shoot and just get rid of guys as an off-ball spacer is kind of ridiculous like you go back not in his senior year but to his junior year they played Arizona State in Las Vegas. I remember correctly one of those empty. He's he made lewd or it look bad like he made lewd or genuinely looked terrible in that game and Ludo game. Is very quickly emerged as one of the better defenders in the NBA now the difference between Sam Merrill and lewd or is that Earth's and Maryland? Duncan Robinson is that Duncan is probably two or three inches bigger than Sam Merrill and there is a very real kind of value to having a guy who's six foot seven that can do this versus someone. That's somewhere between six foot four and six foot five doing this is he? How old is Santa is he twenty-three Sam Merrill is 24 24. Okay, which by the way I believe is how old Duncan Robinson was when he got to the NBA. Okay good spin-off. I thought when you said Sam Merrill thought you were going to say when he met like Iceland in the that shot over the top cuz you watch Malachi flow tapes are religiously wage. Ya know that it definitely plays into it. And I touched on there too. Does the age matter? I mean you had a tweet about all rookie team to see your me first TV off. 23 year olds and a twenty-five-year-old containment between two year old and a twenty-three year old we talk about Excluding terrible Terry controllers twenty three iPhones 22 Wednesday temperature both 22 to 1. Senor. Twenty-One. Brandon Clark was twenty-three. He was drafted. Yep. Devonte Graham was twenty-three which was provided to me by Austin Bonsai work. There are guys now is that becoming less of an issue or you think it's still something you look at and it's not going to pop your figured that old versus South Korea nineteen years old why you know, same thing nineteen years old. Well, I think the big thing is that to find stars stars are more often going to be found younger in the draft in my opinion Luka. Doncic 19 bam. Adebayo got drafted after his freshman year. I believe it nineteen even Kawhi Leonard, I believe was twenty LeBron James obviously was high school entry Yiannis Was Eighteen, I believe when drafted Jamal Murray was a freshman Jayson Tatum was a freshman class. When Brown was a freshman, you know, Jimmy Butler was obviously a senior but Jimmy Butler's path is so circuitous that it will never be replicated again, right? Like I think that it's always going to be easier to find Star level players. That have only played one or two years in college, but I have strongly believed for a while that getting more veteran guys who are a bit more mature is probably a better path way to getting role players in the NBA. For instance. Like the guys that stand out to me Xavier Tillman back in trailer is a guy that I really like is well Malachi Flynn. Obviously, I've talked about a lot on this podcast Desmond Bane is a guy that I've moved up damn near to the top twenty in this class. I took a guy that's physical strong elite-level shooter a lot of like a Joe Harris type in Desmond Bane in my opinion Elijah Hughes is pretty darn close to being a first-rounder for me right now. Josh Green is someone that I really don't know if I apply the jump shot, but he's versatile enough to guard a ton of different positions. And if the jump shot comes around he's probably a starter And you kind of just have to account for potential jump shot stuff. Like Cassius Stanley is probably a top forty guy in this class because of his athleticism. And if you think there's even a chance he's going to shoot it that really matters like getting guys that are Wing size and have athleticism and have fluidity and have the ability to defend mobile positions. That's kind of the ball game right now and I threw in cash has family there as well because Cassius Stanley I believe is going to be 21 before he ever plays in NBA game. Despite being a Freshman out of a couple of classes happens. Yeah. Yeah, actually he is already 21. I'm sorry. So yeah, so you're okay with the age thing is just later first second round you're not reaching for the twenty-three-year-old maybe in the top twenty. But obviously there's ephemeral stage your you seek them are some value in the forties. I do. Yeah, like I'm I'm comfortable taking say Marilyn the top 40 to be honest like off like Jordan Morris or like difference between Jordan wara and Sam Merrill to me is that Sam Merrill generates those shots off of Oddball action. Whereas Jordan War has more of like a spot-up relocate guy off where like there's actually like that. That's the big difference. Like, I don't know. The Jordan war is necessarily going to generate those types of shots. And by the way, it's why I have guys like Devon Dotson Nico mannion Jack Daniels. Jahmius Ramsey outside Vernon Carey as well outside of my top 40 because I really think that it's a little bit harder and it takes a longer time to develop those guys into role players then it does, you know the the guys like You know bulmaro and you know. nonetheless So let me ask you this while we're still talking bubble. This is like a little loose pin here. The working on does Kentucky win the national championship. Every year was played at the bubble the wide world sports package. I mean, so here's half dragging but Devin Booker go undefeated forest in Five Points Tyler hero 37 point game Healthcare bamboo. I don't know for a long time his name anymore in the podcast Jamal Murray now soups are anti Davis in the finals makes them in this camper jokes, you know, we played everybody Celtics. I say that more as a home. You see the success of Kentucky Shooters in Devin Booker anti-hero those guys for the most part I can Tucky ran based on a baseline catch-and-shoot a little bit off the dribble not mine. Now you see Tyler hero wage rating Devin Booker assembly guarded points. Does this cause they want to say you know what Tyrese Maxey is right there. He's 6-3 have six six wingspan. Does he fit into wage? Kind of mold of a Kentucky guy who played with himself within a system, but he might have some stuff to kind of unleash like he would talk about have been help before. Yeah, it actually it seemed me kind of rethink and reassess Maxi a little bit the thing that worries me a little bit about Maxie is the low release point on the jumbo. Yeah any pumps it loads on the edge? Yeah. Like I think that that's going to be a little bit tough for him. Like I'm going to be fascinated to see the work that he's been doing to try and raise that release point cuz I think he's going to have to just straight-up to have a ton of success in the page. Otherwise you're talking about him if he's going to be a pull-up shooter kind of like a Tyler hero is become right that guy probably needs to take twenty seven foot three s versus 24-foot Threes And there are diminishing returns. When you move back farther beyond the three-point line in Mexico, and I blew 29% three this year plus percent free throw shooter but to your point with a low low release and you guys prefer pull off. It's hard to do. But yeah, I will say that to like on Mac see if I remember correctly. Was like somewhere around like 35 from 3 throughout High School on like a ton of attempts. So I think this year was just kind of a shity shooting here. That was just so uncharacteristic, you know, but the question is like can he become what Patrick Beverley has become as a three-point shooter getting up to 38 to 40 or is he a 35 to 37 guy which is obviously inherited get valuable or more or less valuable. Yeah, like do you believe in the condo like showcase thing for Kentucky being a real bit? The reason I say it is and just reason I say that for Karl towns who went off around here. He wants to st. Joe's Metuchen in Jersey. He was on the same team as way ball. And who was a first-round pick and brooding Tyree whoever's 20 points were at Old Miss and he had the whole offensive Arsenal but there were conditioning and some consistency issues to this game. He goes Kentucky Cal and any pain light find a fire under him, but it's mostly from the low block. He didn't know what he can do for the perimeter pagal it to Parade from 3 the whole year in high school. He shot that in some angular games this year in the NBA. He shot two hundred seventy-seven degrees shot 355 the year before off now that can talk to him was 31 nine players ended up in the NBA Devin Booker who who was the six men? They had eight players averaging twenty minutes per game. An eight points per game. So it was an embarrassment of riches but do buy into the trend at all. But like they're guys there that are kind of not showcased as much just because they play into more of a sec system to win. So I think it's a tough conversation because in regard to their the pro potential that they showcase on a night-in night-out basis. I think that Kentucky probably does not allow them to show everything that they're capable of. Having said that I also think that Kentucky guys tend to be much more prepared to play in the NBA from a like night-in night-out just with the grind Is What It Takes with the hard work is all of the off the court preparation. I think that they're much more ready and I think that's why I see the high level of success from most of those guys like even PJ Washington looked great this year l Johnson in the bubble looked really good looks like we're like, I think a cow in that staff do an incredible job of preparing guys for what the grind of the NBA is like and how you have to improve your game to play at that level. I don't think that they necessarily show everything that they're capable of when they're at Kentucky because of the offensive system the Cal runs in terms of the dribble-drive and how long have you guys come off of these like pin down screens and all kind of different stuff? Like I think that it's not as easy to Showcase what you're great at at Kentucky, but it definitely helps you down the road and definitely helps you from day one in the NBA like I would I would even though you don't necessarily get to show everything you're capable of I would absolutely suggest almost any Prospect go to Kentucky if they get the offer. Right. No. No, I'm just curious who thought I play bass what UMass and UMass basketball basketball because of John, so I want no. No, I'm just throwing out there as a The interesting thought piece of the guys in the bubble the guys have success and then you go back and look at their college numbers and it's like, huh? There was a little bit lower than I remember being Yeah, I mean it's it's really interesting. Like there's been this revisionist conversation about Tyler hero right? Like oh Tyler hero should have been a top-five pick Tyler hero did not make second-team all-sec for a reason like eight guys the SEC coaches voted eight guys over Tyler hero last year in two thousand the all-sec first-team tell her hero had like zero points against Southern, Illinois when he played against Duke in that first game. Yeah. It's been classic. Yeah. She looks like a boy amongst men against guys, like cam reddish and RJ Barrett and Zion Williamson, right? He got much better throughout the course of the season and has continued much better to the point where he is surpassed. Especially cam reddish and RJ Barrett. Yeah our Jeep are in my opinion, but He also like got drafted where he should have been drafted at the end of the day because he's like a six-foot-five kid. That isn't a crazy athlete tried hard not offensively but still got picked on a little bit defensively and really the only thing you did super super super. Well was shoot it it Kentucky and like create some offense here and there but based off of what we've seen you can even go back to his high school tape in Wisconsin and like yeah, you could see some of this stuff but you never know how that's going to translate whenever you're watching it against like a bunch of six foot one. White kids from Wisconsin, right? Yeah, it's a poker VR come in a little bit. I mean, I think people saw him as a a better Prospect the SEC and Dumber. Is there a little deceiving in that you're going to be I'm not I'm guessing upperclassmen Laden for most of those spots. I'm with you that the 13th or 14th like that range probably did make sense and a testament to what they do at Kentucky and playing against fellow pros and getting in a high-level waste program and learning how to prepare yourself for the NBA. You can't understand that either. Well, there's probably not been any player off for any two players in the last couple of years that have benefited more from developmental situations than them at a bio and Tyler hero going from Kentucky to Miami cuz Miami's all so absolutely exceptional when it comes to developing players. They're great with getting guys in the optimal shape. They're great with figuring out what they're good at accentuating what they're good at and off. Putting them in that position to succeed like you go back and watch Duncan Robinson's G League tape from last year. They were doing all the same ship in the G league in order to prepare him for a potential opportunity in the NBA. So everything that they do from a developmental standpoint, and I'm sure it's even more now with Jimmy Butler being there in the iron sharpens iron chef. Tality that that organization has getting to go against Jimmy Butler every day. I am certain that really helped Tyler hero develop into what he is now. The twenty dollar cups of big face complete stop being said are the to somebody in we're seeing all these like Miami Heat culture page articles pop back up to is respect old news, whatever part of it. I talked to somebody who works and NBA circles and they talked similar to you about Miami's development and I said for shoot around, you know, there's guys out there early work done stuff. They grab a trainer to grab a coat and it's person asks them like trainer Who's involved the heat they said like why I work a lot NBA guys, I see a lot of teams come out here like this is the most organized buttoned-up. What's the deal and they said everyone's afraid of patent like what led down get it like it's that's part of the Mystique that's part of the reason some of the young guys go there looks like Jimmy Butler and one of those stories says agent didn't even talk about like the Miami Beach or going out. He just wanted the part of a culture and create a locker room of excellence and Have power outlet at home. So the last thing that we should talk about to hear is there are all these guards kind of at the bottom of the first round and I've actually kind of moved down on a lot of them like even my own beloved Malachi Flynn. Like I've pushed him down four or five spots because of bush but yeah, I know like but at the end of the day like dropping something four or five spots like for an NBA team, like that's the difference between taking him and not taking him like a difference between him being the highest person you're bored at 27 if he gets 27 and not being the highest person on your board so long I do think it's actually like a bit of a substantial push and I've moved them down at the expense of These Wings because as we kind of alluded to earlier in the podcast with Kemba Walker, It's really hard to keep these small guards on the court in the playoffs right now. Like it's just really really hard cuz they get headhunted constantly and like the guys that I'm thinking of like Cassius Winston even a guy to an extent Grant rulers strong, but like you still probably six foot to perhaps to break up. Yeah. No, Nico mannion, even like a manual quickly. He was someone that like six foot three concluded he battles but it's it's tough at a certain level to be able to deal with that kind of stuff. So, is there anything that you've seen throughout the playoffs that is made you question these smaller guards and kind of parsing through these smaller guards at the end of the first early second-round range. I mean definitely something action Miami is running with Kemba what the trying to put him in switches and isolate him on Shooters and put in the post. He couldn't switch really suck on when they scream them and there was a few miscues allowed to play up seems kind of pointing at each other before I dive into much. Let me Spin and say all right from a narrative perspective would have this conversation if Toronto had deep off but I made beats Miami and during the finals of Fred vanfleet and Kyle Lowry's a backcourt. I think my answer is me. And you try to like fit that a little bit left right now. Yeah, it's it's big wings at smaller local Biggs that fit that mold. It's those the larger huge desk vein Robert Woodard like those guys are more appealing and maybe they need to be taught before we talked about this last podcast. Maybe these guys become Kickbacks. All right to draft him we can get you know, once Trey Burke is on 2005 or campaigns on Team 6 and don't have to take a pic here and you take one of those bigger Longer Josh Green types. So in regard to like the Toronto thing, I think it goes back to something that I think is drastically undervalued still even a little bit in Drafting and evaluation like Kyle Lowry and Fred vanfleet. Those guys are strong shit man. They are so strong like they play way bigger than their size defensively like wage. You can't back them down as like a six-foot-six wing and like get a good shot on them. Like yeah, they struggle in terms of if they get matched up with a what I guess even Daniel Tikes like six foot eleven. He's just going to shoot over him if he gets that position, right but between the fact that they're really strong and the fact that they're really really smart in terms of rotation and in terms of just knowing where to be in terms of the way that they think the game I think it's really really hard to look at them as a a a archetype of what a potential back court could be like I really think that way they are almost anomalies in terms of How High their basketball IQ is like Fred Van Vleet is not like a physical star. He is someone who thinks the game in an exceptionally home of cauliflower e has shot to get to the Hall of Fame one day because he's one of the smartest basketball players in the NBA like it's it's hard. I think to look at them as the model in my life, but I thought it was interesting though that around the time the Raptors always before they put balls removed during and I'm just doing my homework reading up on on guards that were talking about now. Both Malachi Flynn and Grant ruler said, yeah. I aspired to be from Van Fleet. So like they knew that that was kind of like the wave of I can be that undersized guard but he starts and you know guys probably wage. Fifteen to twenty million dollars, I think ruler in that mold a little bit and that he is stronger up top on how much you can back him down and he's also showed a little bit to flashes of ability to kind of walk through and around screens. Obviously if you're posted up by 6-9 guy like going to be in trouble but he's quick or laterally knows how to use his body. So I don't work kind of the rest of the guys right there off on me to Tyrell Terry if you think he's a star cuz he's 19 years old and his back to her but really is kind of mine out of the this whole group here interesting because he was sick for a high school degree from the end of high school into college and then like just quickly like has a cool backstory in that Earl Grant was an assistant at Clemson. He's recruiting his teammate Kerry Blackshear Georgia who played for an independent team to music to All Stars. And and ironically I'm working at a camp at the time. We took very black. Matt Milan as other high-major kid ended up at Central, Florida. So what seems would do is the back end we had a team tournament. If you were in Camp, they fly up the rest of kids a Philadelphian play a team tournament. I vaguely remembered Grant Road or being on the team I had to do and I did find a great write-up from Rochester 642 yards from Orlando be people off the Dribble To The Rim hit a couple of really split the defense on both screens and dumped all over one of the best athletes in the club. 2015 Chris who went to Abilene Christian in Kennesaw State has only offers right now. So Earl Grant extra Elsa. And got better or for CCL plays on and off the ball. I'm just intrigued by his trajectory to yeah. I mean, I've got a first-round grade on ruler that's not going to change just his ability to get separation off the balance the pace the tempo he plays with he just knows how to beat guys both in isolation and in ball screens. I don't love the shop mechanics. I'm going to take a little bit of time for him. Like he has that bit of like a slingshot up top that is concerning to me. But at the end of the day, I think he's going to be someone that certainly plays Off the Bench box score for the NBA and a long time and like if I was the Celtics, I would be very interested in Grant really even though again, he's like kind of that smaller guard that we talked about. They shouldn't necessarily be in love with having said that they do just really need more scoring pop off the bench, right? And is it too close to Carson Edwards or or somebody like that? The other knock is that there are 17 to 14 tied for third in their league in a minimum wage. The piece of dude should they be better? He didn't have a ton of Arsenal around him and all the defensive schemes were about stopping him. So when you watch them on a pick-and-roll stuff, he's the throw the bag at him every different looks like he was still successful. So I originally 20 points per game his three-point numbers. I think improved 3336 Ross field goal percentage dip like four percentage points, but he'll be better as a piece and I'm bored with him as this microwave score as well. Is there anyone else you want to talk about before we get out of here? Are we covered Malakoff, but I guess I'm just kind of what your what's your 30-second take away in Tyrell. Terry with this new workout video of this size. Is he going to be this top fifteen young guy? Is he top 30 does he is he fooling people are getting bigger. Just what's your kind of thought so he's definitely like a top-25 guy for me not promise. I won't go into like the top and we'll go into the lottery for me for sure elite-level shooter. I worry as much about his live gerbil ball handling and passing and I do about the body everything. He does is come to a jump jump stop then make a pass and those guys just closed down in the NBA too quickly. Having said that he's also probably the best or second-best shooter in this class and there's a place for that now, The body stuff is interesting. He's still only a hundred and seventy-five pounds. Like any sounds muscle everyone like your cells there like pre workout way at once. They start working out from twenty pounds of muscle. I don't know if possible but I mean, he lucky does look significantly bigger and in his case, I believe it. He looks enormous. Yeah. Yeah. I mean so we had them at the home classic in the city start the year here forty points or two games who's fourteen from 30 filled everyone. I talked to said like he it wasn't the one and done thing was like never in his head and just kind of like toward the end of the year or you have a chance here. So it sent the crop of these guards to worry about defense mean he when they played, Oregon. At the end of the year we had six points are two of nine shooting electrical came Peyton Pritchard at 29-6 and five and he did knock our Peyton Pritchard like he'd they're they're trying to hide him away ball. The opposing team's rent action to try to expose him day. John Davis was mostly gardening him. So Ken Garff point guards will guard off guards. We can play off guard offensively wage so we can shoot but what does he do down the other end, especially when we're seeing in playoffs now how much defense really matters? Yeah a person who put this way versatility defensively matters. Yeah, I'm fascinated and Tyrell, cuz I want to like ninety percent of what he does. Maybe that time maybe I like seventy-five percent of what he does. But the two things that I worry about the strength in regard to defensive switch ability and not much up issues and the live dribble passing are too pretty enormous flaws when it comes to having to play point because you could place a point guard next to a big win Creator. I think like a Jimmy Butler for instance if Miami want to take him at twenty, but I don't know if that's going to work. I don't know. I really I mean despite thought he was a decent rebounder from the guard position 4 and 1/2 rebounds a game 3.2 assists. I mean Gowdy numbers, but at the same time it's better than what you would anticipate if you was a hundred and fifty a hundred fifty five pounds, whatever it was his release to to me is like a tad slow, but he knows how to make you pay off under screens and if you watch Stanford, they ran a lot of cool action form where he'd like come off end and Fade to the corner off of error keep that a bacterial a little block and then get it down screen size. Obviously limited what you can do and he's not super quick and then better kind of beating his man with a head of steam and transition as opposed to you know, we're both starting at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. I like Tyrell. I would take him in the first round. I don't think I would take him in the lottery and I don't think I would even take him in the top twenty. Cuz I just worry about the defensive matchup stuff like the other guy that like we haven't talked about here is Trey Jones, right like Tre Jones a small he's off. He's physical defensively but like where does he fit in the modern NBA now? Well, if you make shots, there's a flex on the floor there and we've talked about before if you make shots move as well. I mean Defensive Player of the Year in the ACC now, I think he'll be he's on his lower on a lot of boards than kind of I think you bumped it down your might be higher than most but I think he's in like the 25 to 35 range most of those places. He is a higher floor of people are given credit for as well. Yeah. I think he probably will be more in like the twenty to twenty-five range for me probably on the lower end of that range, but it's it's close. It's really close to like him in Tyrell. Terry is a fascinating conversation to me because tray is stronger can do more of them defensively can actually guard at the point of attack and can actually be a dog Able like pastor and distributor and gets out and transition and makes really good plays Tyrell. Terry did show more of the distribution ability in you settings for the Adidas circuit. But if I remember correctly or second on the Adidas circuit and assists per game with Zeke nnaji Matthew hurting Pat mccaffery. Do you want Minnesota? Yeah, they were really good. That was a really really good fun team, but that's a lot of that stuff came out and transitioned because they played really really up-tempo and Tyrell was the Catalyst for that in a lot of ways even more than like five star top ten overall recruit. Matthew hurt was dead, but I haven't seen a crazy amount of it in the half-court yet just happen. Yeah, well, that's the things that I'm disappointed about about the group of God's combine stuff lack thereof because Trey Jones Thursday is from all reports accounts as competitive as a guys are going to find and I think he wants every like, I think he's making a list of like all these guys to go against work out against and maybe I'm crazy but here's the end of the first one guy that ends up being a contributor that we look around say, why did we miss on that? But yeah, go back go to Go Wings. So right these guys are all probably taking a 5 ranking bumper based on what's Happening NBA finals and the resi box that we ought to live with Penny tell the people where they can find your Twitter account certainly because you're going to have some interesting stuff coming out. Yeah. I'm trying. I mean this is a good draft or have enrolled into a lot of guys. So I'm going to keep on trying to pull Clips in here Clips here. And there of is that we can get and post that article thing just put What's the question you, and you want the other day too? I Twitter is m p e n n the number one and then e my managers working on at penny so I can pay off the I think like sod farm that has that or something so I can improve my lack thereof a brand. Yeah, well, we'll we'll talk about that offline offline. Okay, I'll trade you a a running back for a wide receiver. That's a damn. Hey, I'm in I'll take just spiked it walking off the court. Yeah, we'll be back next week with more on the NBA Finals. I don't know necessarily when I'll be back next week because it will be literally right in the middle of my move. So we shall see but until next time we'll talk soon. Bye.

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Bucks Embarrass Heat, Nets Look Unstoppable, How Good are the Hawks?

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Bucks Embarrass Heat, Nets Look Unstoppable, How Good are the Hawks?

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Even though i played terribly And i'm still down in florida your neck of the woods and we're going to talk a little bit about the miami heat who were eliminated from the nba playoffs swept by milwaukee bucks a little bit later but i want to start actually start. I would want to know how how terribly exactly you are. Golf what are we talking here. What did you shoot. What was the situation. You know a little bit more detail like you. Just kind of glossed over that okay. Yeah sure i'm here for this I'm you know i don't want to pat myself on the back. I did play in high school. And was i think i was okay. i wasn't you know i wasn't a young tiger woods or anything like that But you know i can. I can put a little bit because you come. I got a pretty good and Yeah you know. I hit pretty far not so much not so much straight yesterday and my wife was actually like living in the middle of the fairway and i was all over the place so that was fun. I do not like losing to her Can we talk basketball. Now is sure. No that those are pretty good. Recap thank you okay. so you know. We're going to get to a bunch of awesome emails from our listeners. But i i i to start with a bit of a bummer of a topic. That hopefully won't define the playoffs as much as it did. The regular season even if it starting to feel that way and of course. I'm talking about injuries. Injuries are bad last night. Joel embiid left game. Four against the wizards after falling on his tailbone he was listed as out with a right knee. Soreness and i believe Is getting an mri. Today we will not know the result of that We do not know the result of that emory right. Now as we record but Hopefully he gets back on the court as soon as possible Anthony davis left a game. Four against the sun's with a strained groin and is questionable for game. Five of that of that series. Luka doncic was clearly hampered by a next rain in game four against the clippers and as a result is mavs were completely blown. Out of the water i could. I could go on and on your chris. Paul hurt his shoulder. Two seconds into game. One against the lakers. You know then we have like some role players like dante stephen who was ruled out for the rest of the playoffs. Jeff greene might miss the entire second round showdown against the bucks or anticipated showdown against the bucks which is pretty important. I think for brooklyn you know. Surge of dhaka's been out for like the basically for the past like three months but he kind of popped his head into action in the first two games of the series before being ruled out in games three and four. We obviously don't have jamal murray. We don't have jaylen brown. we don't have we. We did not have your boy. Victor oladipo and so i just want to throw it to you. Rohan like how concerning are all these injuries just as a viewer of the game and someone who wants to see the best players compete this time of year especially you know coming out of a regular season that was so marred by injuries to so many key players. I thought that we might have potentially been beyond it. And and that's a bummer. I think it's deeply concerning and i. I think that there's a lot of talk about. Was the bubble real right or maybe not a lot of top but you hear it every now. And then what was real from the bubble what was a fluke etcetera etcetera. I think this season's been just as different. Even even though teams are traveling. And how do you make any conclusions from the season. Your teams coming in with two months off your teams coming in with nine months off. I mean you can speak to this. I mean at any point. Did you feel like the celtics season got going right. It always felt like there was something popping up it was a new player in the protocol etc etc. I was talking to you. Know we did our plow freebie package for sports illustrated. I spoke to michelle roberts. And i ask sir because the league they said numbers. Wise injuries aren't up. Like you know. They presented this data. And they said you know the number of players on injury reports etcetera etcetera. Injuries aren't up. And i think michelle roberts was like you know. I can't argue with the numbers but anecdotally like what i hear from the players. It's just obviously the season's been a lot different. And they they say they can feel it in their bodies and i. I think it's a little bit too neat to immediately draw a line from this regular season to all the players missing time like who really knows. I don't think in science is an exact one but it's hard to ignore that right. It's hard to ignore how weird this regular season was compressed. It was the number of wish you had during it and somehow not expected to trickle over into the playoffs. I i it is a shame because you know that first weekend of games was so good and it really felt like we were headed back toward according pretty normal playoff. I mean fans are back in the stands etcetera. Although that's been its own and it just yet mana you said. There's not really much you can say other than it sucks and you just wanna see all. These teams compete at full strength. I just it is concerning. Because i think it is not necessarily being discussed enough. Just how weird. This season is a because because it's not the bubble you know it's been given a little bit of a break. Almost i think that the season is like equally weird in equally difficult to draw conclusions from as last one was. Yeah you know. Obviously this is a seventy two game season. Obviously there was not an ideal amount of time to rest and recuperate and practice and get treatment and all of that this year. I thought that that was. You can't overlook it and you know when i'm watching these games. I think there are some injuries. That are just bad luck. I think Like joel embiid. Falling over in joel has injury. History has body is very unique. It's humongous and he's explosive. And you know he's at a lot of He's at several Lower body surgeries. And so you know. He falls over on his tailbone. Pretty hard gets up. His knee seems to have been impacted. And i i just think that that's that could have happened. No matter what But then i also look at someone. Like anthony davis. Who's team won the championship. last year. Had the shortest or tied for the shortest turnaround with the miami heat and like he just never looked right this entire season like i thought he was going to be an mvp candidate. I thought coming out of the bubble. He was maybe the best player in the world. I said that tie. He looked as good at he'd had any in his career during the bubble. And then yeah and then it just never clicked yet totally unstoppable. We have not seen that. Anthony davis really for any consistent stretches this entire season and he goes down with. I mean he was suffering from a previous injury before he strained his groin trying to drive baseline in in in game. four in near the end of the second quarter and like. I don't know. I kind of do attribute that to everything that's happened the past two years. I just can't help myself. And i truly believe take gets people very upset for some reason. I don't know why. But like i truly believe that when we look back at the past two seasons this season and the bubble season like they're just will be an actress beside them and i don't want to get into the conversation but i've talked about this countless times like i don't think an astra's needs to be seen as a negative point of contention it just reflects an obvious difference between every other season in nba history. And what we've seen going through a pandemic and playing basketball during this very very strange time and oliver Our lives and so. I don't want people to get upset. I'm not saying that the lakers deserve to. it's also it's just. Sometimes an asterisk means it could be harder. You know we're not even. We're not even saying that this asterisk means you know this path was easier. This path was it just means different. It just i mean. I don't know if i would go so far to say asterisk by the way so. Direct complaints towards. I'm just. I'm trying to offer a defensive. My friend here more than anything. But i am on your side all eu anti people. But i think the point you're making an it's a good one. Is these two years of in very different. And i would caution anyone to make any kind of hard and fast conclusions about their teams based on these two years because of like you're saying they're just so different and they represent a very strange period in nba history and we should also like acknowledged that injuries are part of the game. Injuries impact just about every postseason in nba history. And you go back to two thousand eighteen just popping into the top of my head lake chris. Paul straightening his hamstring and houston rockets. Probably would have won the title that year and we would look at a lot of different players differently like hardin and mcp. Mike d'antoni if he didn't suffer that injury and then nineteen kevin durant klay thompson. You can go on and on and on and on and on exactly. Yeah i just want to say it is weird. Sometimes when you look back you. I don't know it's weird because you're right like year during the ploughs or injuries and you're like i can't believe this is happening but when you look back you always like oh yeah. There was a huge injury that but anyway no. Yeah and it's just it stinks 'cause like i wanna watch chris chris. Paul is close to one hundred percent. Or whatever. Just like looking like chris paul. The phoenix are way. More enjoyable to watch and that series is way more intriguing and you actually feel like phoenix says a chance to pull off this. I don't want to say it's a monumental upset. But i dunno lebron james losing in the first round. I'm sorry like phoenix fans. I don't mean to dry your ira. But that would be pretty surprising. That guy just not usually lose early in the playoffs slash so that would be surprising and it would be a really cool story for a lot of different reasons. And maybe they still are able to pull this out. Because a d- can't go or kentavious. Caldwell-pope is hampered or whatever. But like i just wanna see everybody healthy. I just want to see the best of the best compete at a high level. That's what the playoffs are all about. And it stinks like luca. Even just luca who he just he just looks like he's in pain playing basket like i don't wanna watch that. I don't wanna watch the same guy who was like lighting it up in the first two games hitting these miraculous shots being a magician. That's what nba playoff basketball is all about and i just. I wish we could get back to that. Hopefully we still can. I don't know. I hope so too and i. I hope that the nba is looking at this. And i understand that you know. They seem to have planned out next season etcetera etcetera but whether it's building in more rest for the next couple of years to kind of account for what happened this year. I think years from now we're gonna realize even though they obviously had the financial incentive to return from this for themselves. I think years from now is when we'll finally start to appreciate what this current group of players did for the long term health of the nba. Because it wasn't just about making up all this money this season it was getting the league back on track for the next four five years in in many ways. I think it's actually a pretty big sacrifice that the group of players made This season because just seeing what what is happening to them and and hearing from them about the the mental physical tour of the season. I it's been massive for sure. No that's a great point by you. Okay so i want to switch gears a little bit row haunt and talk about your your miami heat They were swept over the weekend. So why are you turning this podcast into one. Who'll troll job about. He being a fan of miami heat like everyone knows your celtics fan right. Like we're i feel like i'm we put on mine. He'd island every episode. No this is just fax only podcast bring it up every time. It's okay hundred. Say one hundred percent. Okay i know you can take it. So the miami heat were swept. I have a question for you. Obviously miami went the finals last year and a lot of their issues throughout the regular season. You know they were hampered by kovic health and safety protocols injuries et etcetera etcetera. Where do they go from here. man like. Do you think that they can get back to the finals. With jimmy butler on the roster. There's so many questions and this offseason is particularly this. Offseason is particularly interesting to me. Just because of dunkin robinson's restricted free agency got victory depots bird rights. What are you gonna do there. You got some caps space or you're going to be able to spend it on a third star. I just. I think it's really really fascinating. How they sustain their success and obviously there are expectations now for them to get back to the mountaintops of like can they like. What is the path. They're on really interesting. I you know the question can make the finals with jimmy butler the roster i think is a yes i think the the more kind of pressing question is can they make the finals with jimmy and bama's their two best guys and that's where i think it's really interesting because bam i think as good as he's been as fun he's been you saw this series you know against the bucks where they basically dared him to be an aggressive offensive player and sometimes he was but most of the times he was not most of the time he was. Not it. should say and the heat's offense suffered and that's an improvement that needs to go through a playoff failure that he's experienced that he needs to grow from and i'm confident that he will but he's obviously just a much younger player than jimmy and that's always been a little awkward part of their construction. Is the different timelines. Those guys are on. So i'd be surprised if they didn't try to take some swings. This offseason. I'm sure they're going to try to go after kyle lowry. I don't really think kawais in play after the last couple of games of this clippers mavs series which is crazy to say. But i do think that's how this stuff works. Sometimes i think the bucks expose them a little bit. And i know that back. You know he'd fans are very sensitive about people calling them bubble flukes et cetera. I think you. And i are on the same page that it's it's not a fluke but it is like a once in a lifetime event. I i don't know how to describe it like it's funny when you see like you know the bucks account tweet like this isn't the bubble and it was like well. Then what happened to your team in the bubble. You know what i mean. So you know. I don't think people need to like worry about their title run cetera. But i do think that the bucks expose which is guys like nine tyler hero. They can be targeted in the playoff series in in the heat were just somehow he would do a better job of hiding them last year. Those guys are playing better offense last year. The same could be said for gordon drug. Who's playing like at an all star level during the playoffs and the bubble in this year. You know he just had a bunch of injuries. i. I don't think his body ever got right during the regular season and he just wasn't as effective and i don't think you can go into a playoff series with those many guys who can be attacked An art to way guys like jimmy and bam or they're only really reliable two way guys For the whole series. That i think that created a massive problem. I think jae crowder. They missed him as crazy as it sounds. Even though his heart shooting was a big reason what made them useful. I still think in many ways. He was a a more well rounded player than trevor. Rees is at this stage. So i do think they need a little bit of an overall overhaul around jimmy and bam. It's funny like they didn't even need the the best pacers version of victor oladipo but just the fact that he someone who could create his own shot in a pick and roll and then also stopped dribble penetration on the other end. He would have been really helpful in that series so this is a long way. Be saying i think they need a pretty serious overhaul i think though try to keep a duncan robinson for sure Just because. I think his shooting is that important to their offense but i i kinda think they need to figure out what are the. What is the best way to build around jimmy and bam because obviously they did not have greek series in the first round. I let them off the hook. But i also think they're being asked to do so much because they're constantly covering up for deficiencies elsewhere in the roster. I of books. Twitter should probably settle down like ju holiday is plus ninety. Plus ninety eight and that series drew daily. Not on the milwaukee big difference. He was incredible by the way he was an incredible. Like i said plus ninety eight. Nobody else was even plus ninety. Nobody else was even plus eighty So far the playoffs like he's just a plus minus whatever it is but jrue holiday is unbelievable. I will say. I did not expect. I expected this to be a competitive series. I know you you you were spot on with your prediction of bucks and five and i you know. I didn't expect jimmy butler to score eight more points than jason. Tatum did in a single game in the entire series. That was not something that was on my radar. As you said. I did not expect bam adebayo to look so passive offensively like i was anticipating the guy you know sometimes when i think about bam i think about that game against the nets earlier this year. That that miami when he hit the buzzer beater. And he's just like isolating on whoever and getting buckets and getting to the free throw line and hitting jump shots and i thought that that guy was going to be who existed in this series and it just it it never was. Unfortunately you know. Miami's offense in that series. Their offensive rating was ninety. Five point four the knicks that that was. That's the worst in the playoffs. The knicks are the second worst at one zero three point one like any anyone who's watched the knicks play basketball over the past week and a half like that is really really disturbing hitting me. It was endless. Spo deserves some criticism as well. You know big erik spoelstra fan. You know i. It was a failure. I do think that one thing. I'll just add and we've all we audrey obviously have had the discussion about. This is a weird season you know. In in the reason. I picked the bucks and honestly like i gave them five. Just because i was like. I think jimmy will win. One is like their way better team. They're way more consistent team. This is not the let the heat off the hook what they have serious issues. I also think. Sometimes you just get beat and i think that sometimes you just run into not only a better team but a more motivated team or more focused team and like that was it. I think i think that mentally like the air out of the balloon for the heat. I'm sure they were also mentally and physically tired from the season. Teams were people. Like are they folded. And i'm like. I don't think that's i. I just think that sometimes you get beat but anyway. I don't want to stop me from making your point so no i mean t to what you said real quick. I thought that game three at home. That was the worst loss. That was the worst heat loss that i can honestly remember like in recent history is certainly the worst loss of the jimmy butler era and i think that you know i wanna give all credit in the world to the bucks who i think that. They were super focused. Because of what happened in the bubble. Surely i think these two things are connected absolutely and that series against the heat completely altered how they play basketball defense and force them to look in the mirror so it did them good in a lot of ways but but yeah like you know going forward for miami real quick you know. They have some cap space here. You mentioned kyle lowry. I think you know. I think spencer dinwiddie is an interesting player who be pop pop up here in conversations and a little bit people are sleeping on him. He's extremely good and could be affordable You know lonzo ball you know. I don't know how much of a fan of lonzo ball lonzo would be. I'm a huge fan of lonzo. I'd never understand is why he's always so available. I think he would be great on a number of teams. Yeah so he shot the hell out of the ball this year. To sure yeah. He's he's intriguing. I think he could get overpaid a little bit this summer. He's restricted and teams. Do want him in a in a very barren free agent class so he could get a lot of money and you know that could if you're also going to resign doug robinson who's going to draw a lot of interest and possibly more than i think he you know say deserves but like the way. He was attacked. Defensively by chris. By chris middleton is pretty concerning to me. If i'm paying someone eighty million dollars or ninety million dollars or whatever he's going to get. I don't want to turn this into a heat podcast but can we have the duncan conversation. Very quick. sure. I i went from you. Gotta pay to keep this guy. He so important to the offense to maybe it's a bad sign. How important he is to the offense and you let him go. Because this i do think the bidding is going to get out of hand in a way not so much that i care about mcpherson's money as much as obviously this is a salary. Cap the league and you. You have to figure out how to best your resources. What do you think the he should do with him. I don't know i you know. I think that it wouldn't shock me. If there was a sign and trade situation. And i don't know. I haven't like gone deep into the woods to see who would i think a lot of teams would be interested in them absolutely and there's teams over the cap. Who who would love to have duncan robinson who cannot pay him the money that he's going to garner emmy heading into the tax with duncan. And then you got to like. You're just really banking on a lot of different things. Your banking on jimmy not declining your banking on tyler hero improving dramatically from a very disappointing sophomore season your banking on bam developing another superpower and you know potentially adding a three point shot his game stuff like i. I don't know because. I think that the east is just like the bucks aren't going anywhere. the nets certainly aren't going anywhere. And so you gotta look at your payroll and if championship is what you want a championship is what you think you can get then like. I don't know it could. The payroll could just be astronomical. I guess the point and we haven't even really talked too much about victory depot. So i think losing a restricted free agent for nothing is usually catastrophic. Just look at bugden mcdonagh. Vich is the most recent example but paying him like if it goes up to like ninety and there was talk before when davos pertain scientists. New deal about one hundred million dollar contract. I don't i just you know. I have all the respect for outside. And he's one of the best to ever do it literally. But that's we also we also just saw neutralized to a degree in a playoff round. And i wonder how that will affect his market if it does but i think i'm with you. I think that they have to have a number in mind and stanford on a hate being that guy because they want all players in this league to make as much money as they want and yeah. I just think it's gonna be fascinating because i do think that you know him hero. None they all got really expose during the series. And i'm i'm very fascinated. He'd have always had this problem with hugh need shooting around jimmy. But you can't really play like hero in robinson together like the. That lineup was good during the regular season. I don't think that a hero robinson lineup could ever survive in a postseason route. I hear that and i think. The bubble kind of warps. How we view what happened with that team in that core but sometimes i look at players. Like duncan robinson. And i'm like your destiny and the nba might be taking like a pretty good team and just making them way more potent but not quite where the stakes are championship bust. So like pudding duncan robinson for example on the new york knicks like knicks have a ton of cap space. I was the knicks. I'd just be like. Wow if we added duncan robinson. That would just make everyone else's life so much easier we have no shooting. Let's add this guy. Who just zooms around stagger screens and Just totally manipulates defensive. Coverages because of gravity. That's a player and a situation that i think makes more sense. Maybe then duncan in miami. Even though i think the fit in miami is really good So so yeah you know we just. I don't want to i'm with you. I don't want to turn this into a heap podcast. Especially because there's a lot of teams that are still playing basketball so maybe we should shift towards one of them. The brooklyn nets we talked about. You know they're still out going to be out there in the eastern conference for the foreseeable future. You know i'm watching them just completely mutilate my my boston celtics say bosses. Put it up a great fight. Those games have been more interesting than they've had any right to be even the ones that were blowouts at the end and that game three man. I mean that's that's a fight. They didn't have to show no jalen like going up against his drug or not a. I've been impressed with them. A lot of ways even like tristan thompsons had some moments. Where he's getting me fired up he gets you know. He's drought a big foul going up for the I just want to say there's a special place in my heart for big men who are battling on the board so hard that they draw a foul going for an offensive rebound easton's had a great year. He's a fan favorite. But i am saying is. I'm impressed with the fight. The celtics have shown this series. Considering how undermanned. They've every time tristan thompson grabs an offensive. Rebound in angel is born and every time just in thomson tries to go back up with that offensive. Rebound loses its wings. Basically interesting tops experience but like my question about brooklyn. Do you think that they're like even better than you thought they'd be like. Yes you look at some of these over No but like you look at some of these numbers man and they're just not really making any sense like the offensive rating of their starting line-up in four games as one hundred thirty seven point four. You take bruce brown and you of him. In for blake griffin with kyrie hardened keijo harris the offensive rating is one hundred forty in like twenty minutes. Which isn't a ton. But it's just. I don't care if it's twenty minutes that's when you can see you can see while they're playing. This is unstoppable. Like charlie unstoppable stuff like this is. This is in my opinion Tope this isn't a hot take. But like i think that this is the best offense that has ever existed. I think it's better than the two thousand seventeen. Two thousand eighteen warriors I think that it's really funny to compare those two. Because kim rights as but kennedy right now is i mean he was unstoppable of course on the warriors but right now he's like isolating even more. I mean he leads all players in the postseason points. Like he's like fifty fifty five four hundred ninety like just keep using the stoppable. I don't know what else to say about him. I don't know let's say about hardened just isolating at will. The step back is back He's not in that down like nobody's business. Like i see these guys and you know they're all ridiculous creators shot makers kyrie included in whenever they isolate they are surrounded by some of the literally some of the greatest shooters that have ever picked up a basketball like three of them at all times like. I don't want to just say that we should just give them the crown right now for the title but i just who is keeping their offensive rating below a historic level for an entire series. I don't. I don't know. I think that the the buck series is going to be amazing. And whoever wins that series. I think we'll be in the driver's to win the nba championship. But just like elaborate on what you've seen from them so far on and if you kind of agree with mirror if i'm being a little too hyperbolic well i do think part of it is. Boston is uniquely challenge to defend them right now based on the fact that how much they were playing thompson robert williams before he got hurt. I do think the celtics ignore. It's really funny is like For two years the celtics probably a pretty good lineup to defend these guys when they had gordon hayward and it was like do we play like jalen brown at center. Can we get away with that. And i was like no not really but this year probably would have been the year for it instead. We have evan forty et toute down on every right so i do think that next series is going to look really different for brooklyn just because milwaukee can go small and put five really good guys on the court in a way that jaylen brown is playing. The would have been a little bit more interesting i. I don't know that it would have been. I don't know that. I would've picked the celtics or anything. But i i think genuinely could have been a lot closer. I do think that's a better in that. I don't know i just. I'm still amazed at how quickly those three guys have come together in played as well as they have. Obviously they were very. I thought they would be good. But the fact that they've barely played together and our just doing this during the playoffs is crazy. Like you mentioned like every time you know. One of them has the ball in their isolating. And i'm like you know for a minute. I'm like oh yeah this is a good idea. You have to guard them one on one. Don't let the other guys get open that stupid and then it's like then i'm like what am i thinking. It's james harden against tristan thompson. And then i'm like okay. Obviously you send the second guy. Like don't like what are you doing. You can't let them isolate. And then i'm like why is kyrie irving open on the wing defender taking six steps waiver eight injured. I'm just like yeah. This is a conundrum. I don't know you know. Sometimes i catch myself thinking like how would like the ninety eight bulls. I try to defend this team or like. How would this great defensive team from the past like. Try to stop them. And every time. I think of a team. I'm like. Yeah they would have to play a style completely different from what they really played like. Maybe the two thousand seventeen rockets who spent their entire. You're getting ready to like switch. Everything against golden state Maybe that team would have been good at defending this team. But the fact that they've spent so little time on the court together but just are levering their tau leveraging their talent so offensively. It's incredible. I do think that they have not run. Into milwaukee i think is the only team with the personnel personnel to theoretically slow them down and the only other teams may be. Are the clippers and a healthy lakers team. But i. I don't think i thought philly had a chance. I don't see how philly defenses team at all. Even with the healthy embiid like him having to cover that much ground in forty minutes forty minutes a night. I don't think is a recipe for success is gonna come down to milwaukee like. They can't play brook. Lopez glove was a huge reason for their success against miami. Like he can't be hanging out in the paint against nets team. I don't know if you wanna get into mets books. Talk right away. But i just think that they ve been so good and i think that jaanus at center is the only thing i can conceive of in my mind. That would maybe slow them down. It's like if you're in yeah. We can preview that you know before. The celtics are officially eliminated. I'm fine with it. Whatever if worst case scenario it's a great reverse jinx for me or case scenario. I'm really interested to see the lineups. 'cause like that's why you get. Pj tucker you get pj tucker to play on us at the five and switch everything if you want to compete with the nets i think and you you spoke to pj earlier this season about that exact scenario a i mean. He's not really playing or he didn't really play a ton of minutes and they didn't really have to go small against the heat because they would just drop brooke into the pain and they would live with a lot of those threes that just were clanging off the rim against miami. I'm fascinated to see if bud will even start game one with brooke You'll start around and the pain. He will start with working hanging around and then. I'm confident that a hopefully it's those subs. After two minutes. He calls timeout on. It's like eleven and but that's that's been reasoning the series target. I think about how the spurs guarded hardened when he was on the rockets and they put like ti splitter at the rim and they would just like sheppard harden into the pain and force. Him to take tough floaters but like you can't do that now. Because kyrie irving and kevin durant are also going to be on the court and they're going to be like running a flare screen and there's gonna be chaos in the weak side and joe harris who by the way led the entire. Nba in point shooting also on the floor doing stuff so it's it's just a completely different animal. And i'm i cannot wait for that series. I i think that you make a good point about bringing the clippers up. I think the clippers will because they can score at such a high rate and the second best offense in the in the postseason right now and they had a think. The second best offense during the regular season and leonard is just on a different planet. Right now i think to beat the nets you need to just attack them because defense obviously their weakness still and as we saw in game. Three like jason. Tatum was just isolating like a madman. And getting whatever he wanted and he finished with fifty kawai. Paul george whoever else can step up offensively for the clippers. I think that that is a really interesting matchup. And we're we're getting way ahead of ourselves right now. So no but they've listened. They've looked that good that they are one of those teams that you're like who can slow them down. And what would it take like. They're just they become that kind of tea. I almost think that i brought it. The twenty seventeen rockets like it's no secret like they've taught the sense like their one goal that entire year was to beat golden state right because they knew that was the de facto championship was beating golden state and of chris. Rock paul chris rock. I ball doesn't get hurt. I think you're right. They win that series in probably six in houston. And when the finals at your. I think it's probably too late. But i think teams in the league right now. Need to have an eye toward brooklyn because you all the other contenders are conventional enough in that. They're not gonna take this highly specific style of basketball to be but if you want to beat the nets. I think that they're the kind of team that you need to make sure that you have a plan or a lineup in mind for because they cannot be beat conventionally one hundred percent i agree with you. That's game encapsulates. The excitement swagger and energy of the nba. It's a bold declaration understood by insiders and casual fans alike. The bar has been raised when it comes to the game of basketball and culture itself. The nba is always moving forward. 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But we have an email from our good friend listener harry calloway who rates high looking at the hawks. They have a very impressive offense picking role with trae young's passing and floater capellas lob threat and three other shooters including john. Collins has amazing potential. Do you think they'll finish off the knicks. And how would they match up against the seventy sixers or possibly the wizards if you think they have a realistic shot at getting past the first round interested in response. So harry first of all. Thank you so much for the email and i love the way that you hedge there at the end by saying the wizards have a chance which you know if joel embiid has for the rest of this series who the hell knows but rohatyn. Let's focus on. I mean i if you agree with me. But i think that yes. The hawks will eventually either in their next game or the game after. Finish off the knicks. This should have been totally overmatched. Simply played a starters in game two. I think this is sweet. Yes agree so let's actually just like previewed this question by saying we're going to stick to the president but we're not sorry. Let's look forward to the would feels like an inevitable. Second round matchup. Real quick against the between the hawks and the seventy sixers d. Do you think that you know will assume that. Embiid is able to play if he's hampered a little bit whatever but do you think that the hawks actually have a chance in that series and if so well it's funny 'cause you merely wanna talk yourself into will how is embiid going to handle trae young and pick and rolls because i don't think embiid wants to again play at level or edge or anything like that for forty minutes a night. I do think he has the athleticism you know late in the fourth quarter late and shot clocks. Maybe sometimes coming up on the speaking roles a little bit. But it's not something he's going to be doing regularly. I mean you can put simmons on him. And i think simmons can do a great job. Simmons can fight over screens etcetera. Make life easier for embiid in that regard so you can kind of start talking yourself into atlanta being successful offensively in that series. Do think in this happened. Sometimes in the ploughs atlanta's been great great for a long time now ever since mcmillan took over. When they've been healthy they have a really really good starting five and they have some some really good players. They're they're like the miami in that their star can shoot and they put a bunch of guys three three and d ish guys around him and it's working i do think an issue with atlanta as they're not being challenged at all defensively right now by the knicks like the knicks are easy to defend. I think for this atlanta team. And i think that that has a huge trickle effect like on a series like you're just not spending as much like physical or mental energy on that end of the floor and i think that would be completely different in a series against philli where embiid i mean cappella capellas defensive brilliance against the knicks. For example is almost entirely predicated on him being mobile and hanging out in the paint and basically stopping julius randle from going in there. It's asking do something entirely different to guard. Joel embiid one on one in the post I just think that it's going to be an entirely different challenge atlanta. I wouldn't pick them to win the series. I'd give them a small chance. I don't think it would be impossible for them to upset the sixers but it just as a completely different challenge than than what they're seeing against the next right now yeah. I wrote Last week about or over the weekend about how. The knicks were not attacking. Trae on defense. And i think that that is just an absolute like critical part of critical ingredient for the recipe to defeat atlanta and a playoff series. Like that is just low hanging fruit. You gotta take advantage and reggie baloch is just not. I mean they're just hiding trae reggie block in Look at a slight segue. But like when reggie bullock is like your third best player or your third most consistent player. You're just not a very good team. And so i'm sorry to the fans who had their hopes up for the series but they just that just never what's going to happen but like you know defensively for rent. I mean you make a really good point about how they're guarding the knicks. And it's just like whoever's on julius randle shades him to his right hand and then there's help either a cappella or collins whoever's on the back line and then randall settles for some really difficult fadeaway. That does not go in. And that is so many of their offensive possessions. Instead of trying to isolate randall or isolate barrett onto trae young. Which i think they need to have more more force doing and more of a commitment with but it's probably slash definitely too late for them to do that. So when i look ahead to the sixers series i think that is exactly maybe not the key to beating atlanta. Because you know if joel embiid is healthy. I don't know what the answer is the air. And then you have your own set of problems but like you gotta attack trae young and i think defensively philly will probably start with danny green on him. Because that's what they did during the regular season. Yeah and like. I don't know how much we can necessarily take away from that though and you bring up. Ben simmons missed one of the three games against atlanta and barely played in one of their games which was a forty four point. Blowout if you're thinking that the sixers are going to dominate that game. We'll probably support your case. But like putting ben simmons entree i feel like is not the answer. You get him Yeah i don't think it's something that they would do full-time or or anything like that. I do think it's more of like a an ason the whole kind of scenario. Yeah no i. I the i remember like when heat. Lebron would yes worry. Parker right or derrick rose or it's cetera. Yes yeah yeah. So i i. I think we're on the same page there. But like if traders hides out on the other end on danny green and danny green can't really get involved in the offense and just kind of let him relax in the corner. I think that that's a problem. And i'm sure doc rivers will have something ready for that And prevent that from happening but on the other end like outside of trae trae young in his role in the series. Like i'm really interested to see. Who guards ben simmons like are they gonna throw deondraye hunter on him or do you put hunter on tobias harris and i don i don't know if the andrea andrea can eliminate tobias harris. But if you just kind of make tobias his life really difficult. I think that that offense low key is impacted severely and then you put john collins on simmons and you let him. Are you let john collins sort of help out on post stops off simmons and throw a lot of size on embiid I think that that might be what we see but again we're probably getting potentially getting a little ahead of ourselves. Especially because brad. Brad beal and russell westbrook are going to lead the washington wizards to miraculously come back. Also just throw this out about philly. I think you and i probably both have. Not even an eyebrow raised but at an eyebrow a current going through it. I what is their offense going to look like when they get pressured in a playoff series. I think we still probably have some questions. So is it landed the team to do it to put the right pressure on them. Not sure but you know there another team that obviously been great in the first round of the number one seed etc. They're really really good. I'm just. I just wanna see someone. Apply a little pressure them in a playoff series on their offense in the fourth quarter and see how they respond yet. It's tough not knowing embiid's health at the top. But if he is either not one hundred percent for the series or on a minute restriction or even. Misses a gamer to like. I would not be stunned. If the hawks beat the philadelphia seventy sixers advanced to the conference finals. Which is just like a totally ridiculous thing to to say out loud but like atlantic atlanta is really good there so deep they have a lot of three point shooting they have a lot of versatile. Pieces trae young is clearly here in the playoffs And has established himself that he is not afraid of anything in his game is translating offensively really well so you know off of that point with trae. I want to ask you a question that i've been thinking about over the weekend. Okay so you're just on the golf course rings. Yeah okay. Here in your. It's why i was slicing everything you know. In the in the land in the lazy river just aren't inflow being like. I gotta ask ro this on tuesday. Let's hear it. Yeah so trae young. Obviously this is his first postseason. John mirant this is his first postseason. And he has played extremely well despite the memphis. Grizzlies being down three one against the utah jazz. Like who. would you rather build a team around. If you had to choose between these two and i personally think it's like i have an answer but i think it's so so close and so fascinating. I'm interested to hear what you think. This is a great question. Because i think like you said it's incredibly hard. I love both guys a lot. They're both so fun to watch. And there's like they both have like one like pretty flaw that make some both complicated and makes this such a decision you waffle over. I i thought about this question when you told me wanted me to choose between these two players i was like oh god like what am i gonna do. I i was like. I'm just gonna see what comes to my mind in the moment and this is what's happening i think though eileen djaama rant the tiniest bit in which is crazy because i think you trae is like the modern player right like that's what you someone who can shoot is passing like he can make all the past the way he's raised the ball out to shooters. I'm talking myself back into trey. Got and this is what happens. Every time i pick one of them and they both also have a great demeanor. Like you said like trays like soaking this. All in. he's been awesome during the playoffs. Joh- is just like. I don't know there's something so like visceral and aggressive about the way he plays. And i think just like players like that and i think that's why chose them the fact that he's like tried to dunk on go bear during every game like. I think that's fun. I think that you could probably build a little bit. Better defense around him. I could see him becoming not a great shooter but someone good enough that he's not gonna get ignored the way he is oftentimes. Now so you really cannot go wrong with either i i. I've gone back and forth no less than a hundred times on which one i would want like. They're both awesome and i. I think they're both going to be great for many years. There is no wrong answer here. I buy a hair think that i would rather build around trae. And i wrote recently actually today about what's the memphis grizzlies and their embrace of the floater. And that is one of john. Marantz talk about his explosiveness. You talk about him trying to just completely destroy radio air at the rim these dunk attempts. Now no i know you're about to talk about his floater. But his patients. And it's like it's i hesitate to use his phrase but his ability to navigate that area between the elbow and the restricted area is like Chris paul ask. He's not as good as chris. Paul certainly and he doesn't have the mid range but he just gets to that area in finds a pocket every night and it's incredible when i. Yeah no i the chris paul comparison is obviously. You're you're odeon right now. Calm down but but no like the way he does the tight handle the way he can just manipulate his own body in mid air when he takes off like he is. He's like athletically. it's just no question. Obviously and i think that the floater has been really important to his game and really important to memphis down. But i think these games have been pretty competitive more chance to win. The has a chance to win. All of them. I think maybe not the second one but the last couple. I mean yes very close. Yeah within a possession with like three minutes to go and the floater for him for several other players in the team is reason why but i am not saying the job will never develop a lethal three point shot. He hit five of them against the golden state warriors. Obviously but they were like they were most of them are spot ups and the strategy that golden state had was these which is just. It's just different. When i know the results are nice. But it's just it's a different thing and it impacts your offense differently than someone like trae who you do not want trae shooting threes. Even though he only made thirty three percent of the pull ups that he attempted during the regular season he's at forty percent in the playoffs and when he hits them it just it just changes everything you don't even like when he pulls up and he hits like a thirty three footer. It's just a knicks fan. It's just it's your soul just disintegrates. It's a completely different feeling and you're fighting over screens and you have to try to trap him on certain situations have to switch. You gotta keep him away from that shot you got to force them into the paint and then he has his own floater. And he has you know. I don't want to say that he's a better passer than joh- because jaw is truly brilliant in the angles that he sees and the way he locates shooters. But i do think is better passenger. Women job he's i mean trey is i don't know how many passers live are better than him and the way he when he gets under the rim and sort of doses steve nash impersonation and then just like fynes clinton capella two feet away. And somehow clint capellas man is so preoccupied with trae that he just leaves them i. It's it's amazing. It's it's it's magical it's like he hypnotizing the defense over and over over again so i go with trae by a hair and i see both of their kind of defensive weaknesses as a push which might not be fair to draw but for now. That's kind of how i feel about it. yeah it really comes down to i think. Do you trust like i'm i'm putting a lot of faith in july. I think having more physical tools than trae to become better on the defensive end especially if you were just talking about how like your strategy and a playoff round off should attract trae. You're you're right. I mean like we've been saying it's very close one thing i'll just say about god the fact that he's you know having the series he's having against you know go bear and the jazz like a team that's been great defensively for several years in a row now like there's all these advance stats about. Just how great go bears been on the defensive end how impactful. He's been which you know. I'm not saying that he's not like i. I believe in those stats. I the way he's just just the way of doing this again. No just the way just the way. Mirant has been able to manipulate that team at such a young age against a team. That's been through playoffs together. That has been so good for so long is is just been really really impressive to me that you know in the fourth quarter. I'm expecting them to get the shots that he wants. And it's you just wouldn't expect that. I think this early and i've just been blown away. By how much maturity he shown in this series like it really is remarkable. So i wanna hear in real. Well what all of our listeners. Think about this question. And all of our other takes that we Spilled in this wonderful episode. But i think we've reached the end han today So i wanna thank again all of our listeners for the wonderful emails. Please keep sending them to mail at gmail dot com. That's open floor mail at gmail.com. 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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 600: Are the Miami Heat back?

GSMC Basketball Podcast

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 600: Are the Miami Heat back?

"Get your ears wrapped around the golden state media concepts basketball. Podcast all the scoop. You need to know from college basketball to the nba and even march madness. Zoos of your rising stars topics on and off the hard work. This is the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. Thank you for tuning into the gmc basketball. Podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. I'm your host steven melendez. And i'm gonna be bringing you the latest and greatest basketball news from around the nba. Welcome back everyone. Your favorite basketball podcast. We don't have a lot of news going on in the nba. I mean obviously we are officially in the offseason. Free agency is done. The fun is officially over for now. Of course we do have the nba schedule coming up pretty soon and we got the christmas games out. We know who the with. Mba season's gonna be tipping off with exciting stuff upset that the nuggets didn't get into the christmas game. I mean you have the mvp of last season and you don't put them into the christmas game. I understand jamal. Murray isn't isn't available piece. Still got joke itch. You've got michael porter. Jr. you know you still got some big names there but instead they put what the celtics in there. I get jason. Tatum jalen brown. But the celtics are not expected to be a contender. This season. so. I don't know and and of course i always got a shot out to my heat which this episode is going to be primarily about so frightening miami heat fans out there. You have picked a perfect episode to listen to. As i'm going to be breaking down every single player on the roster and just talk about you know what they're going to be bringing to the heat. What the heater losing in those positions this season and just where it really looks like what what you know rolled these players are going to be playing and how much of an impact. They're going to have for this upcoming season. So we're going to be going through guards forward centers in and of course i'm gonna be doing some potential potential lineups. Maybe give you a little bit of a prediction in there as well. So that's how it's going to go for the first second and third segment gonna talk guards in the first forwards in the second and in the third we're gonna talk about centers and since there aren't that many centers on the roster. I'm gonna take a bit of that time to talk about potential lineups like who i could see potentially in the starting lineup. I have an easy five. That can be put in there but in of injuries. We'll talk about what replacements. There will be how the bench is going to be looking. So we're gonna get into all that and then of course at the end we're going to do my top ten as always talking about the best chicago bulls players of all time you know. This is going to be a packed and exciting list. So you guys are going to want to listen to that. But without further do let's get started with the miami heat review that rhymed didn't even try well anyways. Let's go let's get started with guards and of course. We know that there was a big shakeup this year. With the miami heat guards with cow lowery joining them big time acquisition. The the best free agent you would have to say within this class not really saying much calorie still. An incredible player for his career has averaged fifteen four and six last year averaged seventeen points five rebounds seven assists on almost forty percent shooting from the three point line so he got a lot to give and he came to miami to build a contender here. And take them. Back to title contention status which i don't wanna say that because i'm not going to be homer and just like yeah we're gonna win the final word. We're locks for the conference finals magazine. Anything like that because the east is getting better. You got the knicks. Getting better the hawks another year of development for them brooklyn still going to be on top. Milwaukee you're not really sure what's going to happen with philadelphia but there is that potential move for damian lillard which would obviously make them powerhouses there with with lillard embiid so there are obviously a lot of questions that need to be answered and the miami he her in the thick of it. But i would not say that they're above. You know a milwaukee definitely not a brooklyn in philly like there in that tier. You know with the hawks in knicks may be right behind them if not you know right there with them because it has been a very much improving eastern conference but with cholera coming in bringing that leadership. He's won a championship. He knows what it's like and you know he. He obviously knows how to run an offense to me. I feel like that's the biggest thing that he brings to this team. Because for the past three four alive mu even since i i don't i can't the last time. The miami heat had a true point guard running the show in the starting lineup. I know gore on drudge for a few years What was very good at facilitating. But he was more of a change of pace gardening. You know you want to get down the floor and create stuff in the fast break. And that what he was more for but for a guy in the half court to discount setup teammates. I can't. I really can't remember the last time that he'd had someone like that. Maybe jason williams. Is you know someone that comes to mind with that kind of playmaking ability but lower certainly has that but he also brings to ability his defense. You know even though of course you're gonna expect some sort of decline at the age of thirty five this upcoming season. You gotta expect some sort of decline and he's been missing games over over the past few years which raises a few concerns of you know from me as a heat fan. You obviously want him to be healthy for the playoffs and when you look at the rest of the guard depth. That's where the concerns are mainly raise. You know because. Of course you got kyle lowry. He's your starting point guard and you're happy with that but you don't want him to be overworked throughout the regular season. You wanna have a solid backup to put in there to relieve him. Whenever he is being worked too much. So you look at some of the backup. You know the available backups. And to be honest there really is only one. Because i'll just go over the guardless. We got cow lowry tyler. Hero duncan robinson. Victory depot gave pinson added. Max strouss in here. But honestly i consider max druce more of a small forward but he can certainly play shooting guard. So i guess we'll atom here for that list but in terms of point guards. You really only have gave. Vincent isn't even a true point. He he's more of a. You know a defensive point defensive-minded guard who could choose like three d. guard. But you know that. Three point shot has been inconsistent. And i'd like what. I saw from game vincent last year in terms of his defensive potential like he is a dog on that side of the ball. And you know womb will make a lot of different players work in the nba. Like he's not a perfect defender but he's a hard worker he can move his feet very quick And and just gets in the right positions at the right time now in terms of help defense positional defense. He lacks a little bit in those departments. But when you're talking one on one you want him to lock someone down. He can certainly do that now. In my opinion it's gonna all come down to three point shooting with pretty much every single person on this. Ross on this guards list if you can hit the three point shot you're going to be valuable to this team because you need to. The floor needs to be spaced. In order for jimmy butler and bama bio to do their work. That is the only way this is gonna work. And i'm not concerned with hero or robinson and not even lower because i feel like the last thing that would go for him his jump shot and for him to shoot almost forty percent from the three point line on just over seven attempts a game and he's been suiting over seven attempts to game for the past six seasons. So you know he likes to shoot them any makes them with free good efficiency and other the two years before that were in the thirty five percent range. We certainly don't want to see that if we can get the way he was doing it to three years before that which was thirty nine pretty much forty forty one and then thirty nine. That's what we would love to see. You know seven plus. Three's a game at about a forty percent clip. That would be incredible. From kyle lowry and i expect it to happen because you have a lot. More guys are going to draw attention away from him which will allow them to get more looks. And you know the way that spoelstra likes uses point guards. I feel like you'll be able to do a lot of creative things with lowering. Get him a lot of open. Looks and let them plane space. And i i just feel. It's a great fit it just everything the kyle lowry is about just screams miami culture and i feel me and that's going to work out so now talking about huron robinson. I'm really not worried about their three point shooting now. Of course the other parts of their game that needs to be addressed. There were times last season. When he wro- robinson none and drug would cycle through being considered the heat's warts defensive players. You know doug robinson got a bit better towards the end of last season which gives me a little bit of hope that you know especially with his size. His length and strength he'll be able to at least be average on that defensive end and you know of course you put that together with his three point shooting. He is an extremely valuable player. There's a reason he was paid five years. ninety million. i mean this guy is one of the best three point shooters in the nba. So you're going to be expecting you know ten three pointers a game. At north of forty percent anything less than that and it's considered a disappointment from duncan robinson. I mean that's kind of expectations. He put himself because of how good he played over. The last two seasons. I know last year was a bit of an inconsistent year for him but he's still shot over forty percent that is still very solid. But that's the kind of three point. Shooter duncan robinson has pretty much shown to be a guy who can just absolutely shoot lights out yet a historic catch and shoot season two years ago when he shot over forty five percent from three point land overall and it was some crazy clip like forty seven percent or forty six percent on catch and shoot triples which is the best in. nba history. In front of the splash brothers. So you know. He's an incredible three point shooter. And that's going to be as best value to the team now when you talk about tyler hero. He comes into a season now. Where obviously last year compared to his rookie season. It was not the same yes. Technically his numbers looked better. He went from averaging thirteen and a half points a game to fifteen on better field. Goal percentage worse three point percentage but there was something about just the way he was going about it in just just the way it looked. It just didn't feel the same as rookie. Tyler hero like. He had a slump in his sophomore season. And of course you have to attribute that to to injuries that he was dealing with the shortest off-season or second-shortest offseason in nba. History has a lot to do with it. But you know of course you want to see improvement. And he's certainly did. Have you know parts of his game where he improved like getting to the basket. I felt like he was able to do that a bit. More this season. You know he's a little more comfortable with the nba defenses. And he's able to get to the line a little bit more but overall you need to see that confidence from him again and now that he gets put into a role this season where he is clearly the sixth man. And i'll talk more about lineups in that third segment. But you know this. This season is really shaped up to be. You know tyler. Heroes breakout season. I i know you did that in the playoffs. And the bubble you know in twenty twenty but this was. This is really the year that you've got to expect how the hero to really break out. He's officially the sixth man. There's nobody in his way he's the guy that's gonna be coming off the bench. Probably i every single game and expected to play with the starters and get buckets like the and i feel like i hear this all the time that his role has been simplified. He knows what he needs to do now to come off the bench and just be you know an instant spark plug microwave and into score points for them you know. He's been working on the off season so an end the reports. I've heard have been very encouraging for tyler hero. So i'm excited to see what we get from him in his third year the league i have not lost hope in him. I'm sure he's going to be a very solid player in his career but we do need to see a bit more and to me though one reason why he struggled just a bit is because of course confidence but it's his body. He's extremely small doesn't have a lot of strength to them. So when it comes to being able to play defense. He lacks in a lot of these areas and mainly. It's because of his length is his. His wing is wingspan. He's got a very short wingspan. When you combine that with you know barely any strength. It's very hard to be a positive defender in this league. So hearing that he's been working on his body trying to get a lot stronger for this upcoming season that at all points to positive signs and you need to look at the good things at you know at the positive things As you look into this upcoming season but for tyler hero. I i'm really not worried. I just wanna see increments of improvement throughout his game and in the confidence as well. He needs to get confident that that certainly was the number one thing that i saw leave last season for him. It just didn't feel like he was as confident in shod. There were times when he'd get the ball open in the three point line and he'd taken extra second to think about it before launching when in his rookie season he wouldn't think twice he'd get that ball and he would already be in in the bottom of the net before anybody realized that's just the way he was in his rookie season. We gotta get that rookie season tire. Hero mindset back but obviously with a third year experience so what does have wait. And see. But i am excited to to to you know get where we cannot title hero next we go down and we get victory depot and of course this is a big factor for the miami heat. You know he's injured for most of the season or at least half of it a report saying that he could be backed by february which would be. I would love to see him by january so that they get a little more time together before the all star break and you know for that final stretch of the season but again you want him back healthy. That is the number one reason why they brought him back. Of course you also get his bird right. Sophie having a solid season you can resign him and go over the cap. That is obviously a huge plus. But what. Victor oladipo can possibly bring you off. The bench is just you know it's super valuable. You get a lockdown defender. A man who can pretty much run the second unit by himself. Because i mean he's done it for the when he was playing for the indiana pacers over. What twenty seventeen twenty eighteen. He was an all star. He was an absolute monster and one of the best guards in the league. And you bring this guy in on a minimum the valley and the return that you can get from this is just it's unimaginable. You know you can get a guy that can win you a series here but of course you need to wait. You need to make sure he gets healthy. You cannot bring him back early. Which not what i want so even if it lasts until march which would argue like i said be unfortunate because you would want a depot to get comfortable in his role and learn how to play with these new teammates regardless you need them at one hundred percent. I do not want him to come back get injured again. And he's out for the remainder of the season and we got to continue to think. What if so. Let don't get healthy come back. He can play a huge role in this team. He'd be probably be the best defender for sure and he'd be probably the third best offensive player. I gotta put him behind. Dunkin robinson with what robinson can bring us on that offense event and of course kyle lowry but defensively. He would by far be our best defender. He'd be the guy that would send out there on a kyrie irving for example or a victory depot. Lock him down. And i remember the way he played against steph curry in that game against the golden state warriors. Those few games he played with us and he was an extremely strong defender. And i know that is illegi. Bows game but if you get them healthy you you get the offense with it as well and it's just a i just i'm just dreaming about those lineups. I'm not gonna talk about. I've taught guy guy sat. I'm holding off until segment three. But still i'm just i. It sounds very exciting. And then of course. Like i said gave vincent lie. I saw great things from him on the defensive end but of course offensively. You need to get more consistency from him. You shot just under thirty one percent from the three point line last year on three attempts game shot even worse his rookie season although he only played nine games but last year was the year that we really saw the most out of gave vincent now defensively like i said he's got potential there. He's he's got the ability to be a positive defender in the leak you know. He had a positive defensive wind. Shears that that just goes to show you that. He was ultimately a very solid defender in the league last year. However like i said. I've been saying offensively. You need to get better. Three point shooting from him so he can at least be a four spacer when he's out there. Because if you have defense not even paying attention to him. When he needs to substitute for kyle lowry and i'm saying because there have been rumors that the miami heat are going to be giving gave vincent a chance here to be the backup point guard for outlawry which i'm not against of course there's not a lot of other options out there. I mean you know lou. Williams would have been great. But he got snagged by the hawk's rajon rondo would be solid but he's needs to be he needs to be bought out. Who else was i looking at. Isaiah thomas maybe. But i don't know i like the defense he brings you. It's just kinda you're going in the opposite direction and and you need these my apologies. You need defense on this team consistently you. Don't want a jimmy butler or bamn to have to make up for someone's poor defense because then they're gonna lose it on the offensive end because they're gonna get tired. So you need to have good defenders out there and gave vincent is certainly going to be that but he also needs to structure for i cannot reiterate that enough and the last thing we got max drew. I'm gonna be talking about him in forward. Because that's where i feel. He's gonna primarily be playing. But i could see opportunities for him to kinda squeeze in there at the shooting guard spot if there are injuries of course especially with victory people not going to be there for months. You're prowling c. Max strouss in the shooting guard spot. And i mean this guy can flat out. Shoot the ball and there were. He also wasn't a terrible defender. I liked the way he played. He defended positionally. He would get into the right spot at the right time. Even when he got into one on one situations. I saw good moments from him. So i'm excited about what we're going to see for max druce another dunkin robinson in the making maybe i mean duncan robinson like. I said he's one of those once in a blue moon. Three point shooters. That are just absolutely lights out. But max drew showed moments last year. That were you know. Very impressive like he would literally get in to get on the floor and is instantly. Start shooting the ball lights out like his first shot after. Not playing like two games in a row. He just comes in and wets it. So you know this guy can shoot the ball and he's going to be a very important parts to this team because of that and that's like i said from the beginning shooting is the most important part to this entire group and honestly the forge group is well that that's going to be a big topic to talk about when we get into the forward at those guys need to be shooting the ball just as good as the guards if they want to be out there for long periods of time. But i'm not really worried about the guards group as much lower hero robinson. I expect great things from the only thing. Is that with hero. He's got a lot more on his plate. This season. no goran known so. There's no extra guard to go to that have the experience and you know you're gonna get production from tile here. Is that guy off. The bench gave vincent hoping that you get good season from him. You're hoping that he you know he's learned from his things. You showed leadership in the summer league. He didn't play but he showed. Leadership did get that two year contract so you know the heat. See something there and i see what they're what they're looking at of course. I'm not there inside the locker room with them. So i don't know all the details but from what i saw from game vincent last year yes i see the potential of a decent backup point guard in the nba. He just needs to put it all together in this season coming up because he's going to be needed in a lot of different stretches especially with all the depot out for the next few months. So that's going to wrap it up for the segment makes you guys stick around because when i come back i'm going to be talking about the miami heat forwards and what we expect from them this upcoming season right after this. Are you looking for the very best. Nfl and college football podcast. Then check out the gsm see football. Podcast get the latest football news. Both on and off the field from the nfl draft treats to the rumor mill to the nfl combines. They've got you covered. That's gmc podcasts. Dot com backslash footfall dash. Podcasts get updates college rivalries kindy insights and much much more. It's football talk the way you want it. This show sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter. Visit yes m. podcast dot com for more info. Welcome back to the gsm. Gmc basketball podcast. If you missed the last segment we went over the guards for the miami heat upcoming season. We went went over cower. Lowery spit on the team and what he brings to this new roster. We talked about tyler heroes new role. And you know what he's going to bring in the kind of x-factor he's gonna be for this upcoming season dunkin robinson and his sharp shooting. How important that's going to be. And even went into you. Know victor oladipo and what he could possibly bring when he returns. And then of course. You got gave vincent and max druce who mattress were talking about in this segment as he also constitutes is a forward. My opinion duncan robinson. Kinda does as well. But he's been primarily played at the shooting guard position in pretty much both seasons. Like i know. He got tested at small forward. But he's just not strong enough to defend most small but shooting guards. Absolutely so you know if you guys want check that out and i went and kind of rant there but if you guys want to check that out the guards go ahead and do so. It was a very insect full conversation. So now we're gonna be doing the same with the miami. he boards. So we're talking about jimmy butler max. Strouss markeith moore's pj tucker ks paula. And you don imus has lem the. Oh gee guys. We're we're talking about legend here but anyways we're going to be talking about these players now just you know same thing talking about fit what their role is going to be for this upcoming season. And you know where you can see them fitting into the lineup. So without further without further ado. Let's get started with jimmy butler. Who all we all know. Is the star of this team. He's the number one the alpha you know the guy that's gonna put everybody in their place but he also you know he. He just fits so perfectly with the miami heat which so. That's why i was happy. When i saw this contract extension being made you needed to bring him back. You needed to reassure yourself that he was going to be here for the foreseeable future and with this contract. He's going to be there so you look at the contract. We're going to look at it. Huge max extension. I think it was like four years like one hundred eighty something million dollars. That's a lot of money for a guy that's thirty. Two years old was he turned thirty three. He's about to turn thirty two in september so he's already going to be thirty two at the start of this contract that means you're signing him into the ages thirty six and i actually believe 'cause i've heard the stats from five reason sports that he hasn't really played that many minutes as much as people like to say that he was. You know completely. Run into the ground by tom. Dibitetto when you look at his overall career. He's actually missed a good amount of games. He's only played a full season once. That was the second season in the league. When he was you know he'd he did play over two thousand minutes so he did have a pretty solid year but he was mainly coming off the bench so he wasn't playing those star minutes. You know but it was. One of the bigger minutes in scrubby did spend almost three thousand minutes in his age. Twenty seven season when he was at that height with the bold was his last season with the bulls. Actually so It's just it's interesting to see that he actually hasn't played that much so i'm not too worried about him. You know declining to quickly in on top of that. His game doesn't really rely on athleticism he gets to spots picks his shot an has great. Iq of course there's times when young hit a three year here shoot a three. I should say every now and then you know we we kind of get mad at him. Because it's like you could look for a better shot but you gotta realize that his name really does not rely on athleticism so you don't have to worry about him really like his offense of game at least you know suffering too much like you could see him averaging this like i could see him averaging twenty points into you know his age thirty six season. I really could see it. Even you know maybe thirty five. He's like hovering. They're like twenty because who knows what you know. What kind of role bam takes you know. Because he's still got a lot of untapped potential. Which of course we're gonna get into next so just it's been it's been interesting to see it all of put together but like yoga saying twenty points a game with of tough because he did average just under twenty last season with the bubble and you know the halted season. He averaged just under twenty this year. He averaged twenty one and a half. So i think he can be around this range. You know not asked to be like a twenty five thirty points per game score. Because that's not what we need from him. We need leadership. We need clutch shooting. That would be number one like he needs to be at the top of the charts every single season and i know the one thing people say as long as we are contenders were happy which i i completely agree with that as long as we're contenders and were in that conversation of amongst the best teams in the eastern conference. I'm going to be happy. I know that we have a chance. At least you know and this season. I truly do feel like we have a chance last year. It was a pipe dream. You know any fans is going to be writing their team as always but you gotta be a understanding of the situation and know that this team is in playing the way that you saw them playing the year before in the bubble. That's just not a you know it wasn't the same. I'm not saying that this team is going to be. You know not the same as last year because that's just not the way it is. It's different every single year and this year could certainly be a big one for the with these. Big time moves they make. I love it when they add you know. Big you know veteran guys into the locker room. It really makes things a lot better and the fact. That jimmy has a great relationship with Lowry like they know each other kids. I think Cavour's the godfather of jimmy butler kid. So it's like you know it's they have a really. It's it's a lot bigger than basketball with those two. So you know they're gonna have great chemistry on the court. It was a pretty much. Just like lebron james and dwayne wade. Obviously i'm not talking skill. Wise we know lebron and the wing were at the top of their powers was one of the best players of all time you know and one of the best guards of all time playing together like i'm not saying that a thirty five year old kyle lowry at a thirty two year old. Jimmy butler are that obviously not but the relationship you guys get where i'm getting that that's that is very much the same between these two players and it could translate to great on the court and the difference now is that they have a much deeper team. You know in terms of at least the starting lineup. You know like you know the. Because what i've always wanted to see who are going to be the ones out there when it matters most like in crunch time minutes. You know guys you can rely on. You have a five that you could rely on to really get through and we do and of course i'm not gonna mention it now because that's for the next segment but so you guys might have just have to wait for that but you know for sure jimmy butler in that lineup. There's no question about it. Jimmy butler is going to be the guy in that up. And he's going to be leading them in the tough moments in indian on the moments where things get a little sticky. He's got slowed down and and the defense search figuring out the he he's gonna want he's going to have to be the one that steps and the heat paint him as such so. Do i believe he's going to live up to the contract. I do i do. Because i think his game will translate. You've seen him. He's a really good playmaker. And i feel like that can also translate through age and his game just looks good for the old man game. It really does. Even though that's not going to be this season he's thirty two. He's not thirty six now. he's thirty two. He's still going to have a in an incredible season this year. Might i could easily see him topping what he did last year. Especially with the you know what he has around him now for sure he can average over seven assists a game. He needed that last year. Seven point one which is absolutely ridiculous number compared to what he's been doing for the you know he's been hovering under five for most of his career but then six assists last year. Seven point one this year. You know the two point one steals to lead the league i. I don't think that's going away no way no way. So you know you got one of the more experienced and best to level wings on your team and you know you have to pay him as such. So we got jimmy butler. Super happy about it fits. The culture has proven to us that he can do it in big moments and that is going to be an amazing player for us for and i remember a placing him. I did a top five small forwards list in miami heat history. Because you know me. I'm a huge fan. So a lot of my contents going to be. But he's already in the top five. He's only been here two seasons and i actually did this video before like during his second season. It wasn't or you might have been before. His second season like during the bubble playoffs. I think that's what it was so with. Just one season unders bill. I already consider him a top five small forward. I think i believe i had them fit now with this season. Just pulled off a you know. Twenty one and a half points. Seven assists seven rebounds. On what how. What's the shooting on. Just under fifty percent shooting so like you know. He doesn't shoot wealth from three. We know that it's really fallen off a cliff since coming to the heat and there were there were signs of it in philadelphia but you know there was a time when he was shooting four and a half threes a game and sinking about almost thirty percent rate. Dist that's that's that's incredible. If we got that from jimmy now oh my god that forget about it. Forget about it. But it's a c- it's fallen off a cliff since then. Yeah didn't do good in philly. Didn't do good twenty four percent last year onto attempts to pretty much literally exactly the same this year. So that might be what you get from jimmy butler over this contract from three point range but you'll take everything else that he brings because you know even with that percentage he still shoots. Almost fifty percent is. This was his best field. Goal percentage season ever ever. He hit forty nine point. Seven percent of his field goal. attempts is second. Closys is four seventy four. Which was in minnesota's first year in minnesota when he was an all star. He's the super-efficient. I i remember. He's true. Shooting percentage was over sixty percent. If i'm not mistaken i've done pretty sure i can look that up here but because i remember seeing that and he was like like one of the only guys That i've ever ever done that with twenty one year hit sixty yet. He had a sixty point seven percent. Shoot true shooting percentage easily the best in his career easily the best. So you know you're getting a guy that that's learning how to play with what he's got and showing up with so and now he's a steals champ adds that to his resume he's going to be up there on the heatless man he. He's i in that second spot. And i got like is he. He's not taking the brown us. That's just not happening. But you know you'll see he could squeeze into second. I think glen rice there. I'm pretty sure. Have glen royster. And i could see i could see. I could see jimmy butler. Overtaking glen rice says the second batch small forward in he'd history. He just has to keep doing what he's doing. So let's just yeah. I wasted a lot of time on jimmy. But you know it's jimmy butler so let's move on some of the other guys. That's actually get to the new additions for the miami heat. And i wanna start off with. Pj tucker i mean. That was an incredible. Move by the miami heat. Taking him away. From the milwaukee bucks not only so not only making you better but obviously taking something away from a possible. Contender possible playoff. Matchup in the milwaukee. Bucks i mean. An absolute steel and one of the more underrated moves of the godfather era. I mean this man is an absolute monster so pat riley does it again brings. Pj tucker to add officially. You're you're the the the most concrete starting five we starting four. I should say that. We've had in a long time. And i know that saints on these for a thirty five almost thirty six year old. Pj tucker he's already thirty six actually so yeah he a thirty six year old pj tucker but that's how good he is and if you think he's gonna go down like this is only what his i wanna say. His eleventh season in the in the year is twelfth. The soul is going to be is thirteen so any has played a lot of games. He's missed a few seasons so yeah doesn't have too much mileage on them but last season he showed you that he can play hard nosed defense covering kevin durant the playoffs. Like that's what you want. You want a dog in there to go with these other dogs so bringing. Pj tucker and now having championship experience after this season with the milwaukee bucks of winning the twenty twenty one championship just absolutely you know an incredible into his season. And i mean this guy had to fight man. He the first five years in the league for from age. Twenty two to twenty six. You have to play overseas and work. His way back into the nba finally joins at the age of twenty seven with the phoenix suns and starts carving out his niche in the nba as a hard nosed defender. That can shoot the three bulb. It and i mean his three point percents of started getting really good man. He was hitting four point. Seven three again with the rockets on thirty seven. Almost thirty eight percent shooting. I mean he was hovering around that for a good long time in the kind of dropped off a little bit. But then with the milwaukee bucks last season in twenty games shot about one point seven. Three game you know nothing crazy but he hit him out of thirty nine percent clip that solid. That means he no you know he knows what he what he's gotta do. That's his role. He's got play strong defense and hit those corner threes. As long as you do that consistently everything's going to be a ok the one thing that can't go as defense at at least like if he can't hit that three you know at least be a threat because everyone knows that reputation that reputation of his in the corner three. So they're gonna go alto but you also get some open looks you know what drivers like bam jimmy carr lowrey. You're going to end and obviously a three point specialist. In duncan robinson. You think you're gonna you know not have space in that kind of lineup please. So he's gonna fit in just fine here. He's going to take on the hardest match ups on the others on the other end. So that jimmy and bam can get rest and not have to you know where themselves out on the defensive end and they can give you more on the offensive end but regardless i mean he's such a great asset to have just a great asset to have and you know for sure. Talkers gonna come through in the playoffs. He's going to be even more important. During those times. Gained four game. Five games six game seven if you need someone to play clutch defense. Pj took can do just that so now. Let's move onto some of our other players on the roster markeith more says the other newcomer another guy that can play hard nosed defense and hopefully provide a little bit of spacing from the three point range. We look at some of his stats and the last season. It wasn't looking good. He had thirty one percent of his threes on almost over three attempts again. You know if you look at his career overall yes. He was not a good three point shooter in the beginning of his career. But since then i mean he what ninety two thousand nineteen twenty season with the detroit pistons. He hit almost forty percent. Four point three's a game that was just two years ago. If he can bring that with the defense he already has. He'd be an absolute steel for the heat at the minimum. Amin incredible absolutely incredible pickup. And he can definitely play that. Backup power forward position. I can definitely taking that. I mean the only other person that can possibly take that. Is casey paula. Because of his defense. But i mean he still looks like a work in progress and we know that the past two seasons of not lived up to the hype that we were hoping for like at all casey season. That's that's not a thing. He does not warrant that kind of respect yet. but i'm hoping he she shows up absolutely like you know how great an asset like that would be a guy that can defend almost four positions. Maybe five like. I think he might be a little too for centers but for sure force to ones he can definitely guard those and if he can have that three point shot it would just be like a perfect asset to some other person we can have on not to maybe get a nice player in return or even just having part of the rotation which would be a great get this season because then you can kind of move max troops over the shooting guard. If you wanna try to try tyler hero as the backup point. If gave vincent is not working out who knows but kids yuck paulo being you know in this Developmental stages just it. It gives me worry. 'cause i mean i didn't know i didn't know that last summer league game was pretty solid from him but just overall his his body of work has not been encouraging so hopefully this upcoming season. It's a a different thing. He worked on his game. He might get sent to the g. league. Who knows that would kinda. I don't know what that would do. I mean i know he's needed it but and he couldn't get it last season which Really really sucks really sucks. Because he really needed that development you know throughout the season and he can only play in the nba and it was just not it was not a good recipe. So yeah kcrc. Paula is definitely so work in progress to see what we get. Anything we get from him is a bonus because we're not really expecting much. We hope he has a solid season. But we just. We're just not sure at this point. I mean you have to to you know bad season. It looks like that trade for three first rounders might not have been the best idea. That pat riley's come up with but he still got this season. He can carve a role. If you know as a defensive specialist and occasional three point shooter if he just keeps working on his game he's got the motor at least but you need to see more than that and then of course you know okay. We'll give them extra was a little bit. We know he can add three point shooting and he's been placed in as a backup for jimmy butler at times But you might most likely see him going to that guard position like the more i think about it. It's just like i know i. I could see masters but then who would be the the backup small forward. That's what i'm thinking like. I mean so. They can have tyler here like okay. So tightly here the backup three. Backup to and gave vincent the backup one. Yeah so. I guess it would then be mac mattress or kc paula for the backup position at the small forward spot. So you know. I think max has the lead right now because it's three point. Shot is wet. But you know. Casey paula's defense potential is certainly much higher than max truce's so we'll just have to see how that works out and then last because certainly not least we got you. D the goat of the miami heat. You gotta sound comes back for nineteenth season. I'm sure it is. I believe it's nineteen seasons and he's going to provide more more leadership on the bench and there's been talk about maybe him getting some minutes and being used as like an enforcer down low since it doesn't look like we have that Too much in the in the center position. So i could see him being used as a cause i mean i guess the wing deadman kind of alabama. Byles never really been that kind of guy. I mean great defender. But not like an enforcer. We'll just go and like you know. Take a body out. You know what i'm saying. And i don't know if doing deadman's that guy i mean i you know. We only got twenty games last season. He's a heart guy bud. Ud ow no. I don't know so. I can see d being used a bunch of different ways but more likely than not unless injuries per minute he will be more a ride the bench and and providing that veteran leadership that you know just how it works in the miami heat just infusing culture into all these guys and he's going to be a huge asset. I mean it's gonna be really exciting to watch so this ford group has potential obviously but It's it's jimmy butler and then everyone else. Pj tucker is in that v tear you know underneath jimmy and that everyone else's underneath. Pj tucker but we gotta see we can get them for markeith. More stout be very solving. Get solid backup minutes from him. He gets three point shooting. He can certainly be a big plus. But there's a lot of unknown with mac and casey paula. Like strouss looks great in summer league. And i'm expecting good things but you just never really know you never know so. It's gonna be interesting to see how that works out So that's going to wrap it up for the segment. Yeah hope you guys enjoyed my review for the forwards and make sure you guys stay tuned. Because when i come back were talking about the centers and potential lineups for the miami heat for this upcoming season right after this tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than podcast lists with endless hours of podcast coverage from news sports music fashion hooking entertainment fantasy football and so much more so stop blurted around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to de podcast is whatever it may be visit us at. Www dot gs mc podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download us on itunes soundcloud and google play. Welcome back to the gmc basketball podcast. If you missed the last segment we went over the forwards for the miami heat roster this upcoming season we got into the all around play of jimmy butler and how his game is going to translate through this contract. And just what is going gonna be this upcoming season. We got into the newcomers markeith morris and pj tucker of course and what they're going to be doing for this for heat this upcoming season. What roles are going to play and how important they are going to be down the stretch Through this season we got into the young unknowns in max. Strouss paula. Maybe paul a little bit more known than max strouss at this moment with You know just how good struse's looking in the summer league but they're going to be they're going to have to play big roles this season with The dept a hurting a little bit with older depots injury. So you're going to have to see something from them and hopefully it comes soon and then of course we talked about the o. g. u. dot us has them and just tap a leadership role. He's going to be playing in. Maybe he gets some minutes. Maybe it's a little more than last year. If you guys want to find out about that go ahead and check that out. However now we're gonna be talking about the you know the top centers on this roster there. We got three total centers on this miami heat. Roster we got bama a bio. You already know him got. It's been you know absolutely taking the league by storm with his two way. Play at the center position. Something hasn't been seen with his type of athleticism and just you know poise with the ball in his hand. You just haven't seen it in a long time because you not trying to compare mature passing to nicolas's yokich. I know that guy is in the best passer from center position we've ever seen but i'm talking the athleticism and the the absolute two-way ability that bamut a bio presents at the center position hasn't been seen in some time. So you got him. You know just that guy The wing deadman a guy who came in last season actually posted some solid numbers as backup big for the heat. He knows his role and he plays it to perfection so I feel like doing is going to be a great end adding to this team. I'm really god we'd resigned. I feel like depositions pretty locked there however there is a wildcard and one that can change the season as we know it and that is your seven. He is officially signed to this roster. Who knows maybe he does end up getting some g. league time i kind of doubt it though. Because there's only three centers on the roster sure if it actually happened donald has can get time there but i feel like the he will want to see what they have in your seven. They only have them for two years. You know i understand next year. They can also play him. But you wanna know what you haven't him and see if he can handle it. He showed a lot of ability in the in the in the summer league and has been looked at has just looked really really good. So i'm actually excited for that factor into this upcoming season. I can even see him playing some powerful position alongside bam bio with his shooting ability. I mean if you can actually shoot that way in the nba hit you know. Thirty five percent of his threes. that'd be a huge asset to the seat with to this team. So you bring him and now you've got you've got to feel a bit confident about your center position if you're miami heat fan because you've got three guys you know one star you got one very solid backup and then you have a project a guy who you know. You don't know what it can turn into but it's just exciting to find out so you know wall. Sometimes it can be a little disappointing at times. But i feel with. Oh mary you're seven. We actually have something very solid here and You know maybe he. He looked like he can handle you. Know the interior defensive role while also you know guarding the perimeter. He looked pretty solid little spots. I mean he's not as coordinated as bam out of bio but there's not many centers that are but only seven has a good sense of what he has to do defensively and on the offensive. Then i mean he. He showed poise. That you don't normally see from young centers like it's just not the way they normally play. It's you know they. They play a little bit more frazzle. The less you know their their top picks you know and and guys that have a lot of experience in college because these guys you know it's the truth they they've been through a lot more. You know four years in college that you learned a lot over those years and you become you know more poison the the guys around you but for over a year seven who's been playing overseas and that's really the same thing i mean. He got a couple of years overseas and and now he's he went to college as well and just didn't where did i think it went to. Georgetown correct yeah. He went to georgetown and nc state so at you know he's got a lot of experience in different leagues and he brings that now to the heat and it's very exciting to see. It's very exciting to see I really wanna see what he brings to this roster and whether he can even just bring a little bit. Because we're really you know depending on bammer bile first and foremost but then also deadman to provide the leadership and in at least veteran experience off the bench at center position. That's because that's super important. A guy that doesn't hesitate a guy that knows what his role is and you know. Kinda just does what he does. That's very important. So being able to have a big man off the bench like that that you know he can even hit a three pointer abid and last season. He didn't look too bad. He averaged seven point five and a half rebounds and provided some pretty solid interior. Defense didn't get a lot of blocks. But if you put that on per thirty six numbers he averaged nineteen points and fifteen rebounds a game the the guy was an absolute monster with one and a half steals one block game ridiculous numbers off the bench. It was only sixteen games. So i understand his numbers per thirty six or obviously not gonna look like that for a full season however there is no denying that he actually balled out in his time with the heat. And i'm very excited to see what he brings over a full season backing up. A bio and talking about obama to bile. Obviously we have one of the best young centers in the entire nba at the number five spot. And you know. I know the way that the playoffs ended last year left a sour taste in all of our mouths with the way the bamut about performed not attacking the rim not being assertive on the offensive end. Defensively you never have to worry about bamut to bio. I'm always just praying for a guard to get a switch on bam and think he can take him and just get shown why bam is considered one of the best defenders in the entire nba because his ability to cover one through five. He's one of the few players in this entire league to be able to successfully guard one through five. You know he. He's been able to to bang down low with the joke itch. In beads. you know rudy gobert. He can he can do it. He's got the strength. He knows how to use his positioning the best way possible. But then he's also got the speed quickness agility to be able to keep up with guards up top as well which is why he's had some of the best numbers when it comes to switching in and just how successful those switches are you know the it. The only problem is that it takes a bit of rebounding away from the interior and that's one of the biggest issues of the heat had last season. You're going to need to see bam taking a much bigger role in the rebounding department specifically. I know you're going to get help from talker from butler you know kyle. Lowry likes to rebound as well. Heroes actually a pretty solid rebounder for his size. Obama bound needs to be easily in the double digits but some around twelve thirteen rebounds. And i'd be extremely happy. And i know he can do it. He's got the he's got the athleticism he's got the quickness to get by guys and he's got the strength to hold others offer defensive rebounds so there's no reason why ban by twelve to thirteen rebounds isn't reachable for bamut a bio But to be honest overall his game needs to take a step up like we are expecting bam at about to be our second best player and at times we might need them to be our first and Especially if we wanna be contenders he needs to take that leap. He's done it anyway. He's twenty four years old right now. If i'm not mistaken. Yeah he just turned twenty four so he's still extremely on still has got a lot to go in terms of growing into. You know what he's going to be hers entire career. But you know you already know who's going to be considered one of the most versatile centers ever with his ability to score the ball rebounds assist. I mean last year. He averaged almost nineteen points. A gain nine rebounds five and a half assists with what like a steal and a block with one point two steals and one block a game. I mean he he literally does it all and you don't. You can't even look at that steals in blocks per game averages to really tell you the kind of impact the bamako bio has on the floor on the defensive end. I'm gonna go to advanced metrics right now to see what it is. He's got three eight. Can't eight point eight wind shares last season best of his career so he added an even better year any and all the numbers just continue to go up and up and the best part to me is the fact that his offense of game took a much better turn law season with him being able to hit the mid range consistently. Of course i know in the playoffs. It did not happen but he has been able to add that to his game. He looks very comfortable out there. He just needs to have the confidence to know that this is pretty much his team. I mean jimmy butler. We know is number. One calories got way more experience. He's going to be considered another. You know very solid leader on this team alabama to. Bilal needs to take that step and put himself right there with jimmy like he needs to be in that conversation as the best player on this team for the heat to realistically have a chance at competing for an nba title this year. If we have obama to bio that continues to look tim. Mate doesn't impassive doesn't get aggressive continues to look for the past. Only you know yeah will. We might look a little better since we have you know. Pj tucker morris to help on the defensive end against forwards cowering kind of add that leadership. So you got some very solid editions. But we'll really only go. As far as bamako. Bile is you know is willing to go with his own game it. It's it really does. Come down to that so i'm putting a lot of confidence. I have a lot of confidence that bamut of house gonna show up the season. Have that mid range shot hidden even better. I don't think you'll go out to the three point line because he has not done that up until this point in his career and maybe it does develop further down the line but for this upcoming season. I don't see him. You know trying to take threes regularly. He just he just doesn't feel comfortable out there so once it does. He's got the shooting mechanics. He's got the form to be able to hit that shot consistently and really for bam. You're not really asking for much. I mean i wouldn't. I would be okay with him. Hitting what thirty. Two percents of his threes thirty three. Maybe know just kind of push it. Their that'd be incredible to add that to his game. Aside from everything else would easily be averaging over twenty points a game you know. And then depending on the rebounds he he. He would be an all-star every single year. You're no he no. He's going to be in the in the defensive player of the year conversation year after year it. It's just inevitable at this point because of how valuable he is on the court like there is really no other center in the league. That does everything that he does like. You got you know. Parts of his game in a bunch of different players like you know the craftiness on defensive able to cover inside outside you can say that dream on the the passing ability. You got like so bonus there the shooting ability. You gotta you know i. It's it's a mix. But i can even say like sean holmes mid range game you know bam starting to pick that up a little bit so you know you got a bunch of different parts to his game that you see in other players but to have that all in one package is something that is not seen in the nba. At all doesn't matter which which center you choose cat is nothing like bam. Bam defense is way better. I know cats. offense is way better than bam's offense. I completely understand that. But i'm talking about just what the all around game bike i think that bams. I'm going to say this. The bam's offense isn't as bad as co anthony towns defense. I honestly don't feel so. I feel like bombs you know to be able to average nineteen points a game on fifty seven percent shooting from the field. That's efficient and it's free throw shooting. Took a huge step up shooting almost eighty percent from the from the free throw line last year. That just shows you that he's working on it and the end shot is there so you know just we're about to enter the fifth year of bamut biles career and i'm extremely excited to see what we have in store so now let's talk about potential lineups. Get into what the starting lineup with the bench is going to be looking like and see you know what the heat have for this upcoming season so to start at the point guard position. You gotta know kyle. Lowry is going to be your starting point guard. He's your man. He's your leader. He's your floor general. It's going to be him shooting guard. Icy duncan robinson. They're just add that spacing on the floor especially with jimmy. Obviously being at the three. And you got you're going to have bam at the five you know you need to have spacing and i know kyle. Lowry hit pretty well last year. Like almost forty percent from the field from three point line but dunkin robinson's going to be the sharp shooter and he certainly is not gonna pay him ninety million dollars to sit on the bench so duggan robinson starting a shooting guard and now that just leaves the power forward position which i feel like they can go in a number of ways here but i feel like the best option would be. Pj tucker especially in those closing lineups like that's the five i would want out there. The only reason the only change. I would possibly want to make is if maybe you don't like the defense at dunkin robinson gives you and you wanna put victory depot and for him. Obviously this is once the depots healthy and you would need to get enough shooting from ola depot lowery and and talker to make it really work and bam needs to have that mid range game hidden right for for that lineup to really work as you obviously lose a lot of shooting with duncan robinson replaced with ola depot. But that's really the only change. I would make a closing lineup if you want just pure defense and to make these teams like really suffer on that end. So you know. I like that lineup. Like the options But the starting lineup of lowery robinson butler tucker atta bio i feel would be a very strong starting five and one that you could put up against pretty much any team in the nba. I'm gonna tell you right there and then i. i really do feel with that starting lineup. They can't compete with just about any team in the league out. Even put it against brooklyn. The problem is when you get to the bench. Because a lot of these teams they've been stacking up a very deep bench like the lakers. They got a number of experience veterans on the bench that they can go to end young guys as well like they got a very very deep bench. Now you look at the heat's bench and the sixth man it has been cleared for him to just take over the second unit. Max tyler hero. This is going to be the most important player to this season in my opinion. Because you know what you're going to get from butler at a bio tucker robinson lower. You know what you're going to get from the from starting five. They each have their roles. And you know what you're going to get from them. They've been showing it. Tyler hero. After very inconsistent sophomore year is gonna need to step up into that sixth man role and be a microwave off the bench being able to just completely light it up at any given time. That is the role that tyler heroes going to have for this upcoming season and he needs to take in stride because if he doesn't and he struggles where or the heat gonna get their scoring from the bench because this is the venture you're looking at. You got tyler hero. You got the wayne deadman. You got markeith. Moore's victory depot gave. Vincent max strouss. You donnas has them and amir yet your oven. So that's your sweat. Eighty off the bench. I mean i don. I don't know. I just don't see any other spo on unless again. You got to consider the fact that ola depot is going to be out for months you you might not see him until maybe february i even. So you're going to have to rely on tightly hero scoring for you in big stretches. Max might have to take a big step up the season but that's the problem. You're you're relying heavily on a guy that barely has any mba experiencing thing goes to gave vinson. He might actually have the role as the backup point. Guard if any if no new moves are made to the heat between now and the start of the regular season and i i like what markeith. Moore's bring off the bench but again he's more of a he. He is that role player. That you just have them you know. Play that specific role. And you don't have them do anything extra you know like he can score the three point shot he can defend. And that's it. You're not gonna ask them to try to create off the dribble. You know doing it you know. Even though he does have a little bit of you know ability to go inside and hit like that fadeaway mid range. I saw it against the lakers last season and the year before. So he's got a little bit more to his game than i feel like people don't realize but in the end tyler heroes is going to be that guy. He's taking over that garage troll and in my opinion he needs to be even better because at least draw a chad hero that he can rely on off the bench to help them a little bit when he's not having a good night when heroes not having a good night. You're going to be relying on. Vincent strouss deadman morris apollo and you don has lem. Oh and of course your seven to kind of pick up the slack on the offensive end which. I'm just not sure where it's gonna come from. Vincent strouss need to be hitting that three point shot consistently if not they're not going to be playable and that's that's where i'm worried the most of course with an oil depot gets in there. You have a very solid backward off in the second unit with heroin. The depot very confident in that. I like markeith moore says the backup four. I love deadman as the backup five. The three position. It's going to be up on streets. It's going to be on strouss unless casey arc paula's starts actually producing which i haven't seen over the past two years he's been with us. You know what we're going to be relying on struse's that backup three position. So it's a little thin on the bench but starting unit very solid and i feel like this team really puts the heat in that top three contention. Maybe you can put top four with philly milwaukee and brooklyn. You can put them. In that argument. I would put brooklyn in milwaukee a bit ahead and then phillies a little closer to miami and so you got like the three four position on their own tier then he got new york and atlanta right behind the naked. That can be very good this season. It could be a very tough You know eastern conference battle for who gets the top four seeds or and who doesn't go onto the plane. It's going to be rough. But i feel like the miami put themselves in a really good position and i'm excited to see what they bring us next year. So that's going to wrap it up for the segment. Make sure you guys stick around. Because when i come back i'm gonna be talking about the top ten she kabul's players of all time. I'm sure you know a couple of guys are going to be on this list. So make sure you stay tuned right. After this this is your ultimate stopper. Everything sports the golden state media concepts or podcast. Should i say more from the nfl. Mlb the nba mma. All in here from the golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen welcome back to the gsfc basketball podcast. If you missed the last segment we talked about the center position for the miami heat this upcoming season and we also got into some potential lineups. How the starting lineup could look how the closing lineup for the he can look this season and also how the bench is going to turn out and and you know what are the heat missing this season. And where will they end up once the seasons all said and done if you guys want to hear about that. Please go ahead and do so. However now we're gonna be talking about the top ten. She kogyo bulls of all time a very exciting list with a lot of champions on here so stay tuned. Get ready and number ten. We got ron harper a big time player in those of finding those i championships for the chicago bulls those that first three peat that they had spent five seasons with them averaged eight points a game three rebounds two point six assists and one point three steals like. I said he's a three time. Nba champion and run. Harper was coming off some incredible seasons with cleveland where he was averaging close to twenty points a game but then he comes to the bulls and understanding as to play a lesser role. Not be you know. He's not going to be the man anymore. He's playing with michael jordan. Scottie pippen some of the best players the has ever seen. And ron harper was was perfectly fine with taking that role and the number. One thing that you'll remember from. Ron harper is his incredible defense his ability to just absolutely lock up his matchup and if he needs to score in big moments and that is what harper did pretty much for the entire entire chicago. Bulls tenure yet. The numbers don't look crazy. But that's because ron harper knew what he had to do when he was out there and he did it to an absolute t and is exactly the reason why he comes in at number ten on this list just an incredible chicago bowl and a major reason why they were able to win those three. Nba championships and number nine. We have one of my personal favorites. Maybe not at the time because was personally against me and my team but he just looking back at his career and just how he played. It's it's incredible to see what joking not was able to do. In his nine seasons with the chicago bulls averaged nine point three points per game. Nine point four rebounds three assists and one point four blocks on forty nine percent shooting. He was a two time all star. One time all nba first teamer. He wanted the defensive player of the year. Once made it to two all defensive first teams and won all defensive second team and absolutely incredible resume for joking noah who i mean from what i i. The first thing i remember was a he would shoot the ball sideways on the free throws. He was an awkward guy. He was not your typical basketball player but he had so much heart. He was the heart of the bowls during that era when he was there. A hundred percent with the the derrick rose era he. Nobody was as important to that team as joking noah and just what he brought night in and night out just an absolutely incredible player the hustle the judge his a you know and also his poise as a big man. I mean he he could play tough you know like he was one of the tougher players in the league at that time. You know getting rebounds banging down low. Not giving up anything i mean. You saw the defensive accolades he had. There's a reason he was an absolute force in enforcer down there but it was also just like the heart that he played with. Never quit and on top of that the playmaking. I mean you would not expect a guy with just the way. He looks to be so just comfortable with the ball in his hands. You know being able to get down the floor fast breaks find guys open or even taken himself and just finish it joking. All was a very special player and one of the most beloved bulls of all time. No doubt about it. And that's why it comes in at number nine for my list and number eight. We have the european legend. Toni kukoc coach played seven seasons with the with the bulls and averaged fourteen points. A game just under five rebounds four system game and one point one steals on four almost forty six percent shooting from the field and thirty three percent shooting from three he was part of those Those final mba the final three pete in ninety five ninety six hundred ninety six thousand nine hundred ninety eight He did win. The sixth man of the year wants as well as he was just absolutely perfect for that role. You know there was not a lot of big men. Like cou coach back in the nineties to be able to do practically whatever he wanted. Score buckets in all three levels. Pass the ball with ease. Play solid defense. He can literally do it all and he was an extremely vital piece to those three championships with michael jordan. And scottie pippen. I mean just an absolute monster night and i love the story that i hear about coup coach. You know when when The owner of the bulls was looking to bring him in and it was during the nineteen ninety-two olympics For you know the dream team and coach was playing against the us. A team with pippen and jordan on it and they just absolutely destroyed him. Because i believe they had drafted him earlier but he spent three seasons overseas. And that was one of the season's just before he joined the bulls. And i think it was something like The the owner was you know just just absolutely loved coach and michael jordan took that personally didn't like The way that he wasn't being respected and just absolutely killed coup coach on the floor did not let them breathe during that. Game and show coup coach. What it means to be a bulls player and that was the first taste that coach got before eventually joining and playing a huge role. In those three championships. So tony coup coach absolutely deserving of number eight spot on this list as is the man ahead of him. Mr horace grant played seven seasons with the bulls and was part of the first three peat from ninety two or ninety one ninety two and ninety three absolutely incredible inside force for the bulls. He was practice. He was pretty much. The dennis rodman before dennis rodman came in for the bulls. The only difference was at grant can actually score inside the paint averaged twelve point six points per game eight point six rebounds two and a half assists and one point one steals and one point one blocks game on fifty three percent shooting. Did horse brand over the seven seasons with the bulls comp- you know he was the third option on that team behind pippen and jordan and was extremely important. Piece of course didn't leave on the best of terms of the bulls didn't have the best relationship with michael jordan. Felt like it wasn't being respected enough. But i'll tell you man. Horace grant certainly has his place in bulls history with three. Nba championships. made an all star. Team made two all defensive second teams as well and he certainly deserves his praise. And that's why. I have a number seven. He just wasn't as good as the guy who filled his role in the second three peat. And that's dennis rodman. Dennis rodman just known as one of the best rebounders of his time and one of the best rebounders of all time. In his three seasons with the bulls. He averaged five point two points. Fifteen point three rebounds. I mean this ridiculous suffer a guy who's listening. I six seven. His instincts his ability to read. Where the ball's gonna go when he hits that rim was just never before seen never seen before it was just absolutely incredible. You know and his defense was. Was you know hounding defense. He just never quit. He was an absolute monster on the floor and he was a big part of those three. Nba championships those those final three championships for jordan. He made an all an all defensive first team and was the rebounding champion. Three all three seasons with the bulls won the rebounding champion. Absolutely incredible from dennis rodman. No doubt in my mind deserves to be this high on this list. I mean he's going to be this high on a lot of different list For for a bunch of maybe not san antonio since he only played like one or two seasons with them but for sure for the bulls. He needs to be recognized as one of the most important players in their history. So then that's where dennis rodman comes in at number six and number five we have artists gilmore known mostly for his years in the aba one had a number of accolades that just proved that he was one of the best players in a b. history but in the seven seasons he played with the bulls. He averaged nineteen points. Eleven rebounds two and a half assists and two point one blocks game on almost forty fifty nine percent shooting from the field absolutely incredible stats from artis gilmore to showing his double double just nightly double doubles as consistent scoring and his rim protection. I mean he was one of the more. Complete centers of his time was a full time. Mba all-star and made it to the all defensive second team once just an absolutely one of a kind type of center a guy that can literally do it on both ends i. He is certainly one of the more underrated centers. When you think when you really think about it. because i didn't really know much about artis. Gilmore obviously had never seen his game since he played in the seventies. But when i looked up some highlights he had the full package and center. That would be extremely valuable now even though obviously you know that's more of an old man game being able to you know banged down low. Get your points and added efficient rate. I mean to shoot fifty nine percents seven seasons. That's extremely impressive. And then to to provide over two blocks game every single year absolutely incredible stuff. And that's why gilmore comes in at number five for me. It was. It was close because of dennis. Rodman's you know the way he's been able to influence those championships that he won You know i. It was hard for me to put him six. I was very close to putting dennis rodman fifth but it was just a artis gilmore and just his his all around ability to be able to rebound not as good as rodman but almost just as good as defense interior at least was better and he was a much better score. Pretty almost doubling didn't know quite almost quadrupling dennis rodman's scoring output in his three seasons. And so it was just a very tough decision. But i ended up going with go more number five and i feel pretty solid about it and number four. We have the original bowl jerry. Sloan you know. Jerry sloan as the legendary head coach for the utah jazz. I mean that's how i knew him. But then eventually. I found out that jerry sloan was on the bulls and he was pretty darn good when he was there played ten seasons with chicago. Bulls averaged just under fifteen points. A game seven point seven rebounds very very good average for a guard. I mean incredible. Two point six assists in two point two steals a game. I mean the first thing you gotta know about jerry. Sloan is that this guy was one of the best defenders of his time. I mean in his ten seasons he made it to to all star games. Four all defensive first team to all defensive second teams. I mean you look at the two point two steals per game. He averaged over ten seasons. It really just goes to show that he was a horde nosed the fender and then it just makes sense that he also you know averaged almost eight rebounds a game as a guard intense seasons. He was an incredible player and of course ended up turning into an incredible coach. And what a story that would have been having coach the bulls and lead them to you know championships. Who knows but obviously the timing wasn't right. It was phil jackson's time but jerry. Sloan certainly deserves his recognition in for what he has done for the chicago bulls in their history. And i've seen a lot of sites. 'cause i research obviously to see what people think you know about the top ten players in each you know for each team and a lot of people had had him third i just i just don't think he did enough. He was an amazing defender and a great player over wrong to be able to score. Rebound very you know very very good for his height you know it just his assists average two point six. I wanted to see a little more there if i had. If it had been in the five range maybe. I would have put him up. You know because you talk about his accolades and everything combined you know. He was a very very good player. I just don't think he was as good as number three. Which for me. It's derrick rose. Derrick rose comes in at number three as the third best player in chicago bulls history and is easily easily one of the biggest. What if in nba history. As i mean he just took the league by storm at the youngest. Mvp in nba history. Who knows how many he could have had. I mean the explosiveness with which he played with was just never before seen russell. Westbrook was in the league already and he was doing his thing but he did not look like derrick. Rose did like not even close nine close and in seven stevens. Seven seasons rose averaged just under twenty points a game. Six point to assist three point seven rebounds and on forty five percent. Shooting from the field wasn't the best defender. No but i mean he can certainly hold. His own was athletic. Enough he can do a lot of different things. But derrick rose with his explosiveness ability to get inside and score around multiple defenders. He was one of the biggest obstacles for lebron james and the miami heat when they were becoming that dynasty it was derrick rose in his one man show ability. It was very very fun to watch one of the funnest players to watch in nba history. So without a doubt. Derrick rose deserves to be number three on this list. I mean i know. He didn't have all the accolades and we had three. He was a three time all star. Like i said won the. Mvp award one made it to the nba first team that same season of course rookie of the year and all rookie. First team still solid accolades. But it all comes down to what if he hadn't gotten injured against the seventy sixers in that first round playoff series walk how many more accolades would have had how many more. Mvp's what you have one. And how good. With derrick rose would have come down to being would could he have passed scottie. Pippen and number two. I mean you guys all know. Scotty pippin number two and you know number one is. It's no surprise but there. Could you know i could easily have seen. Derrick rose may be slipping into number two had. He continued to play the way he was and not gotten injured so it it sucks but he still did enough to get number three in my eyes so now number two we get down to the best of the best and at number two. You got scottie. Pippen twelve seasons with chicago bulls average just under eighteen points a game. Six point seven rebounds five point three assists with two point one steals and point nine blocks game on forty eight percent shooting. Scottie pippen scottie. Pippen is one of the best defenders in nba history and one of the best slyke robbins in nba history. If not the best if you really think about it. I mean with his ability to score the ball. His athleticism is his playmaking. And of course his defense he literally could do it all on the floor. He just wouldn't be asked to because of having one of the best players of all time if not the best player of all time as team so we go over his accolades and they're absolutely ridiculous six nba championships of course seven-time all-star mid one the all star game mvp once made it to three mba first teams to all mba second teams to all mba third teams and seven all defensive first teams any was also the steel leader one year. I mean just an all. And kim forget on all defensive second team another year so he was just consistently considered one of the best defenders in the entire league and with all with his all his other abilities that he had. He was invaluable for that chicago bulls throughout their entire dynasty. And you know. There's no surprise here that he's number two number two by a long stretch like there's no like derrick rose is three and the only way he would have been able to catch scottie pippen as if he continued throughout his entire career as an absolute monster. You know like he was his first few years in the league. That was the only chance and it didn't even guarantee him number two. That's how good scottie pippen was and he's certainly deserves all the praise he you know anybody can possibly give him as the second best player in chicago bulls history but of course that now leaves us with just one and it's always considered the goats of game and that is michael jordan thirteenth season with the bulls average. Thirty one and a half points a game. Six point three rebounds five point four assists and two point five steals per game and point. Nine blocks gotta add that in there as well as he is one of the best shot blocking guards of all time just behind d. Wade just gotta add that in there but the fact that he averaged thirty one and a half points a game on fifty point five feel percentages just bonkers thirty three percent from three which for guard who was known more for his driving and his his midrange game is not bad. Obviously today's nba. That's considered atrocious but in the nineties but six times i mean i'm going to be talking forever. I talk about his accolades. But i mean let's just go forward six time champion six time. Nba finals mvp five time nba mvp twelve time all star three time three-time all-star game mvp ten time all nba. First team made it to the second team once one defensive player of the year. Nine time all defensive first team of course you got rookie of the year and all rookie first team but then ten. Nba scoring champions in thirteen seasons with the bulls. He won't he was the leading score in the nba ten times. Oh on top of that. One was the steals leader three times. So this guy was just an absolute monster on the court can kill you on. Offense can kill you on. Defense can do whatever he wanted to you and no one would bat an eye. Because that's just how good michael jordan was in the nba. And i'm just a sad that i was never really able to watch him his prime. I remember seeing a few of his games when Back in two thousand and two or three. When he was on the wizards but i never got to see bulls jordan. I mean i've only seen what i've seen in youtube videos and it's beautiful stuff man and and there is absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that he deserves to be number one in bowls history as the best player ever. So that's going to be it for this show. Hope you guys enjoyed as always thank you for listening to the gmc basketball podcast brought to you by the gsm. See podcast network. I would like to ask that you. Please remember to subscribe to the show and write a nice review. That really helps us. Also if you complete follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. I really appreciate it. Thank you and have a great night. You've been listening to the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. Part of the golden state media concepts pie cast network. You can find this show and others like it at. www dot gs mc podcast dot com download. 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NYC AI, Bots and Marketing Meetup with Betaworks, Skilled Creative, Vayner Media, and Resemble AI - Voicebot Podcast Ep 103

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NYC AI, Bots and Marketing Meetup with Betaworks, Skilled Creative, Vayner Media, and Resemble AI - Voicebot Podcast Ep 103

"Does episode one zero three of the voice by podcast today? We have five guests at all attended the recent botany, I, meet up in New York City, GRA joined today by beta works. Fainter, media skilled, creative resemble AI and the meet up organizer Alec Leslie rescue. We recount, what happened at the event and how marketers are embracing voice today. Okay. Voice by nation. I'm your host Brechin Sela in this week. I have another series of one on one interviews for you from recent meet up in New York City, where I have a chance to speak and catch up with a number of members of the voice community. I've couple of interviews on site, a couple of interviews afterwards, but a lot of people were asking me what was going on at that event. So I thought it would bring you this quick summary with these interviews. People can tell you firsthand experiences of what they saw there, and what they were talking about in New York when we're talking about bots, AI and marketing, I'm gonna start with a quick community. Shout out to Kathryn Prescott in a recent tweet about voice inside her. She wrote quote, great issue voice insider this week from African Selo from voice that I it's one of the best things I read and highly recommend subscribing, the insights analysis in data will keep you smart and a step ahead on the most important voice for his topics, and, quote, many, thanks, Catherine. We really appreciate the endorsement, you putting that out there and sharing your thoughts voice insider is getting. Popular? It's where we share data and discussions that don't make it into general circulation. It is for insiders. So if you're an industry pro this exclusive information really designed for you. You can check out voice insider at voice body. I Ford slash insider. Thanks again. Catherine also, Catherine has her own free newsletter. If you haven't checked that out before you may wanna look at that go to voice brew dot com, voice dot com. And she tells you about different things you can do with lex in particular, and tips and tricks largely is the focus. Thanks again. Catherine also I wanted to quick shoutout about voice nineteen. This is the voice summit. That's coming up in a few weeks in Newark, New Jersey, just outside of New York City. This is going to be the largest gathering voice industry professionals in the world. This year starts July twenty second and you can learn more about the agenda. The details speakers at voice summit. Dada AI? That's voice summit dot AI. If you do decide to register use the code voice baht to save fifteen percent. The conference expects. About five thousand people, it'll probably be more. They're gonna come from around the globe. I'll be speaking a couple of times, maybe three I thank. And there's going to be three hundred others. So there's gonna be a lot of people sharing insights, wisdom, what they've experienced over the last several years. It'd be sharing that with you. I will even be doing three our voice strategy workshop on the twenty second of July. That's the day before the big conference starts. They have some workshops that day, so definitely. Check that out as well. I don't do these types of things often. But if you're working on your voice strategy or need to start at you really come away with some tangible takeaways. So definitely suggest you check that out. Good avoi- some day, I use the discount code voice bought. If you decide to register I hope to see you in New Jersey, and if you are going to be there, make sure you tweet at me at Brechin Sela, and we'll definitely look for him, okay? Time for the interviews today. We have Matt Hartman from beta works filed by Brandon Kaplan from skilled creative those were both recorded onsite prior to the event. Those interview. Are followed by some post event interviews with Claire Mitchell of Intermedia who also spoke there as a key Bahamas. Enzo Hareb amid from resemble AI, who both participated, and we conclude with Alec Leser rescue, who's the organizer of the largest AI meet up in New York City, and the host of the evening's events. So let's get started. First up Matt Hartman from beta works, so Brechin Sela here at the botany I beat up in New York City, and I ran across Matt. Hartman from beta works. Matt, thank you for joining me today. Thank you so much for having me. Okay. So what I thought we would do since most of the voice by community doesn't get to come out to this meet up tonight. I thought I talked to a few the speakers of people here in the voice community and get their taking a couple of things. First thing I want to ask you about is, what are you gonna talk about tonight? So time gonna talk about what we think of beta works as the third wave of voice. So if wave one was literal, ipods, right? That's right. It's called podcasting. Ipods RSS feeds. And wave two was about streaming services in this renaissance podcast. What's wave three? And so we're gonna talk about discovery of new podcast monetization talk about air pod. I technology and what real voice interactions. Those voice utilities and what we think the future is of, of all these products. Okay. So audio technology really are audio content, and the technology to distribute that, that's what your focus has been more so than the voice interactions f- air. I think that. Audio technology. You me and podcasts contents versus smart. Speakers if and distribution and other things like that. Yeah. I think what we've seen is that. The hook that people have gotten gotten people into using these kinds of interactive tools has been more around audio technology, so people get smart speaker, but they listen to podcasts and flash briefings and music on them. They're starting to do some things around weather. But I think we're we've been interested in both but I probably have seen more traction around podcast distribution, and that content side. Right. Okay. So when you think about the different waves that we came through, you talked about the different types of digital audio distribution that we've seen, and you mentioned this focus on discovery as part of a, third wave what's going to change to make audio content. More discoverable? What's a few things? One is data about what's in the audio audio contents that we were talking earlier, about transcription technology, can get better so so discovery from the search perspective. But also what new kinds of. Products will help us find what to listen to. So it might be apps that taking more magazine like approaches that there's that app called Wilson that I've been playing with that's a has an actual human editor the curation layer. Right. So I think one of them is searched one of them is decreasing layer. One of them is, is sort of things we haven't seen yet. What, what is it preview for a podcast? Look like we haven't really seen a successful preview channel yet, I think there could be a number of different ways that people start to discover today for me at least that looks a lot like the Spotify is that curated custom channel for my Spotify channel. But there aren't a lot of other places breakers one where there were there podcast app that lets you listen to not only podcast you pick. But also see what other people are picking, and that's kind of an interesting place. So, like overcast has this idea of curing your own clips to promote your podcast and then you have. Audio burst which will automate that process where they'll pull clips base on transcription and the machine learning to pull out keywords. Are you looking at technologies like that as well? Yes, we've seen a lot. I have not personally seen a lot of examples where yet where the technology puree no human beings involved finds the best part of the audio the thing, that's going to convince a regular person or me to, to listen to the rest of that podcast in a ten x better way than a human being doing it. I think that could come. We haven't seen that even in written word. Right. You and me. We're talking in this in this today is not only about audio but it's about, it's almost an extension conversational software, whether that's chat bots, or whether that's in Boyce, and we've looked a lot in the chat bots space around, what utilities, let you summarize the written word into something. It's much more digestible, and I'm hoping that we're gonna see more and more of that the next. In this way. Okay. So you've had kind of a big year this year for investments from beta works. And I mean you might actually tell the audience in case they missed you way back, and it was like episode nineteen or something like that in the top twenty Rover Andrea now and every week for two years, we've been doing this. So you had a couple of investments in this space and you had nice exits this year. Thanks. Yeah, we're really excited for both anchor and Gimblett, who are the two probably. I think the injuries in Harwich report just said that there's are the two biggest exits in the category, we've invested in a bunch of companies around conversational software, whether that's. Text or that's audio and then a bunch of companies that are very specifically around audio, and these are sort of, in our view, the, the first two, but they're they if anything kicked off a new wave of people understanding, finally as you've known longer than almost anybody that this is its own industry. And I think we're just starting to see that, that started to be true. Okay. So tell the audience about Gimblett and about anchor and why Spotify want to acquire them. Yeah. So so Gimblett is has always pitched itself as almost the HBO for podcasting. They wanna be the, the make the best podcast in the industry and have the top one or two podcasts and number of different categories, and they've done that the, an anchor for people's context, is, is really the easiest way to create odd casts. So I suspect would Spotify this is. Company's strategies change all the time. But my, my sense, is that Spotify wants to double triple down on on podcasts. They've had some they did they purchase. I think Amy Schumer had a custom podcast, these started by some initial in some podcasting companies. And on the Gimblett side of the they wanted to buy a bunch of really good content. Excuse me. Sorry, they wanted to buy Gimblett on the Gimblett side. They wanted to buy really good content, and also people who can constantly create new great content so that people would. Hey did drug myself. Spotify wants people to understand that Spotify is a place not only for music. But for podcasting, I think that was sort of the overarching approach not just with Gimblett anchor, but with these other acquisitions as well on the Gimblett side, it's about having the best content industry and on the anchor side. I think it's about getting that long. Tail of all of us, I have my podcast is anchor all the people who have these very specific areas of interest in areas of expertise who are creating podcast of various lengths and really experimenting with the medium Spotify wants to make sure that that content is available on Spotify, too. Yeah. I think that all makes sense. And I noticed this week that it was revealed that Spotify is going to use podcast preferences among Spotify users as a way to target ads going forward. What do you think about that? That's interesting. I had not heard that. I am sure that they wanna figure out ways to monetize, and really help podcasters monetize, too. Right. Because the more the more the people listened on places. Spotify where you can have a programmatic ad the more that people who don't necessarily have enough audience to get thrown ads can can participate in that ecosystem the. I had thought about I have thought about the modernisation part that escapes me now. So, okay. You'll you'll hold that. So I think it's interesting because it's a centrally just another psychographic profile and they've got some pretty good demographic profiling in their ad targeting right now, but not as many psychographic, so they're doing it in terms of listening to music and music genre. So podcast, you Andrea should just be another layer and allows you to in theory, be able to target, even when they're not listening to the podcast. So podcasting advertising today is banned if you want to reach that audience, you have to reach it, when they're listening to that podcast is opposed to now, you could reach them all. They're listening to music. But, you know, they have this other interests that type of thing totally, and I think if we think about the discovery problem that I laid out before, what are the ways that you can get access to. People so you have advertisements in Spotify, which are maybe they advertise on a podcast, but even more importantly, for the industry itself, is what you bring up. Which is how do you find the people who might wanna listen? And if Spotify can open up that graph companies like breaker, in companies, like, like overcast that you're talking about where you can discover what your friends are looking at it's very proactive move, you have to make the center, and now you'll be able to advertise those people, I think that's pretty interesting. And there's probably not enough podcast advertising, and other podcasts that they think might be some audience, you have a lot of people on as guests. But one of the notice gonna say earlier was one of the most interesting things I think that anchors doing right now is creating ads for ad copy for podcasters that are on the five home to read. So my podcast I gotta push notification of anchor that said somebody wants to. Advertise on your podcast, and what was so interesting to me, was it wasn't, you know, stamps dot com. It was another podcast that was interested in growing their audience that looked at my audience instead, I think they like podcasts. And I'm sorry. Listen to it. And now I can create my own host, right ad. And the more they can do that. That's where you get as podcast that we get really high CPM's. So that's really good for me is podcast. And then as as somebody who is made me think, well, who's podcast should I be advertising on? And, and obviously the reach of Spotify is unparalleled, especially if you start to make it in inside of ads, not only another podcast, but also music, you start to get really interesting ways of getting this distribution discovery. Okay. So some of the voice, my podcast listeners will remember that beta works runs. These camps and two years ago this month you and I met at maybe might have been before that. But we certainly spent some time that day at your demo day for voice camp so couple years hands how. Are those companies doing how those investments panned out for you? What have you learned along the journey? Yes. So we're really excited about those companies, there's a number of them have gone to raise in the venture world you think about sort of you invested the proceeds stage. Do they raise seen around they raised series, that's one metric, so we're excited about them from that perspective? I think. As excited as we were about the audio category. It's, it's one of those things is taken off a life of taking on a life of its own as you've seen. And so these companies are now sitting in the middle of a really big market. So we're, we're really excited about those kinds of companies one company as an example. That's pretty interesting is shined shine started out as a text message service. And they did they did voice camp, which is the camp, we did around voice interfaces to launch their what they were planning to monetize was audio versions of a lot of this stuff. And so they've now launched an app and they charge for it. If people subscribing monthly if people subscribing annually, text message services, grown amazingly, and now, the voice services starting to grow, and sitting so exciting about that is. We're starting to see that there's multiple ways for people to monetize. It doesn't just have to be around around podcast ads. Think about head space. I don't we don't think about that as podcasting. I mean, it's basically a podcast that you they've put the. Hundred. Hey wall. They sell silence. That's good. This should use that. But they, they have they walk if you meditations, and he, we're starting to see other companies that are, that are taking their cues from some of those models that work and say, well, what if we charge just a monthly subscription where in the podcast apps store, it's much harder to do? Because people expect those be free and expected to be ad base. But if you have another way of getting getting people to come on, and listen than charging for the charging for premium listening experience, actually turns out to be a really good way to Mont companies that we've invested in companies, we haven't investment in our are all starting to see that. So we've been really excited about this that camp in particular, just because the categories, much, Matt Hartman. This has been great. Why don't you tell the listeners out? They can keep track of what beta works is doing and you personally and your podcast. Yeah. So, so definitely follow us at beta works. My podcast is called T L DR daily. It's a daily podcast. It's five minutes, long interview, different people. From the entrepreneurship community from the BBC committee about what the reading just smart, people telling me what they think, is interesting, if you're interested in voice, specifically, we have a newsletter called hearing voices dot XYZ, where we take our cues from people like you and learn learn what's going on in the industry and try to share market trends, and a little bit analysis around the news. But it's a few quick links once a week great met Harmon. Thanks for joining us on the voice podcast. Thanks for having is always talk to you. All right. Brechin Silla still here at the Botts a meet up, and we're being hosted here at beta works tonight. And I ran into Brandon Kaplan of skilled creative, Brandon. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me, preciado it. Okay. So why don't you tell the voice audience, what's creative is what you guys do? Sure, we are word agency. We work in the in the voice space when we're working with a, a ton of really great brands. We're fortunate to be in New York City where a lot of these brands are located and we are a creative agency folk. On voice. So we help brands like Pepsi and Wall Street Journal, and Meredith and Pfizer we educate them on voice, where the opportunities are we help them identify strategy where their chance at success invoices. And then we go ahead and we work with them to do creative development launch execution marketing and everything around their full strategy of voice. Now, did you found this just to focus on voice, or was it a pre existing agency doing mobile or something else before? So it's an interesting story. I'm just a tech geek at heart I spent ten years in product manufacturing owned electronics manufacturing company, and then kind of fell backwards into service, and I was doing traditional content marketing videos animation websites. But I still had this urge for technology. And I was this is around, like two thousand fifteen I call it the scourge of VR headset campaign era. Where every brand from an innovation perspective was just launching VR headset campaigns. And I said, what a shame you know, there's so many cool technologies out there computer vision, data visualizations, projection mapping weblog minutes. Reality invoice, that I wanted to start an agency that was focused exclusively on a merging technologies. So at the end of two at the beginning of two thousand seventeen launched skilled to focus on of barraged set of emerging tech. And then over the last couple of years, we've really whittled down. So we're now voice first agency, which has been really exciting. Okay. Great. So you made a presentation earlier today, a lunch and learn, and you are on a panel this evening. So why don't you share with the audience, what you talked about earlier today for that audience? And then what you expect to talk about tonight. So one of the areas that we really focus on. And we think that is a big need for the, the industry is media. We work with. Lot of different news entertainment companies. So the lunch learned today was all about voice in the news, media landscape and laying out kind of what's happening today. What, what does it look like in a handful of years? And what do we need to bridge the gap between where we are today, and where we need to be in the future. So that was the whole conversation. We really opened it up to the beta works community here. And we got so many incredible questions from people I love when we can take ourselves out of our office, our own little voice echo chamber. And then just listen to people talking about it really stirs up, new ideas, which is exciting for us. So we talked about news immediate today. A lot of really cool ideas shared in the group and then tonight Alec is going to ask us whatever questions, he wants and hopefully, we'll give some some thoughtful inciteful answers, but for us, you know, we love the voice space. We think that there's a just a massive opportunity in growth and we're really focused on digging up those little opportunities that move the industry for. Okay, great. So when you presented earlier today around voice in the media, what we're some of the key themes that you proposed in that in that talk. So we talk brought broadly about how a personal I thought that I have is voice, particularly Alexa couple challenges. Right. We have a discovery challenge. And we have a content gap said the Alexa, I'm sorry. I don't know that issue. And I think that the media and the news companies earn a unique position where they have so much content, and they can fill that gap for us. But in return, we need to let those news immediate companies feed a little bit. Right. So if we allow those news and media companies to build a business around voice, they'll fill the platform with incredible topical and evergreen content. So we talked a little bit about what can news media provide to the platform. And then we heard a lot of insights from the crowd just about how do they how do they think that personalization should occur? In news on voice are their concern. Turns about echo chambers. What do we do about privacy, and we were just really fielding around table type discussion from the crowd and talking about where does what is news? Go in the future for voice perspective. So are your clients really focused on the privacy angle, or they really more at this point is trying to get content out there and learn? You know, I think I don't think anyone is concerned with it. I think everyone is mindful of it. So every organization that we work with we, we end up having a very pointed discussion about privacy and security, people wanna make sure that they're being responsible with data, but ultimately, they're trying to create a good experience to bring value to the platform and try and be one of those standout voice experiences, the get noticed. So it's part of the conversation, but it's not the leading point. Okay. When we talk about voice apps broadly Alexa, skills Google actions. We often will come to this discussion around monetization. And that's particularly acute when you talk about media because what they put out there is their products. And to give that out for free. Without any way to monetize is challenge down. There is some out as Asian on the platforms for media companies, it's a sort of a loophole that lets but when you think about this space, tell me a little bit about what you think about monetization invoice, and where that's headed where things are going well, and where we still have a lot of work to do. I think all the major platforms are being very responsible right there. There's slowly doling out these advertising opportunities. I think my team is probably scraped the ad policy section of Amazon, and Google more than any group in the world. We're looking at it almost every day. And you know the teams that Amazon, probably if they see our name stone creative the goal the God. Those are the guys that are how need us about Ed policy restrictions. We see a really bright future when those policies loosened a little. Bit. Because inevitably news in media organizations need at revenue or subscription revenue. So to be able to find the spaces where they can generate that revenue motivates them to fill the platform. So right now, we're living within the confines that are laid out by the organizations, they're being really responsible, and we're trying to be as creative as possible, but we're we're not in this for the next six months, the next years, and we're looking forward to when we can do more perfect. Okay. So a lot happened over the last couple years. And she got into this space. Let's talk about twenty nineteen we're about halfway through. What do you think were the biggest changes the biggest events? The biggest news items the first half of the year, you'd think that are going to make a difference for the industry and for your clients. So we've, I'd say since the end of last year, we've had a set of features that we've been really excited about, you know, certainly contact permissions Amazon, freezing tation language, CFI are Ken fulfil in ten response has been some. That we have been nurturing from every possible angle, you're really excited about voice SEO in general. So we've been tracking against all those tool sets voice SEO perspective. I would certainly say that everything has been clips in the last couple of weeks, I was fortunate to be a remorse, and to see the release of conversations is incredibly exciting. So we were first in line calling Amazon, like how do we get access? The how do we improve our client experiences? So I think conversations really exciting. I think some of the things that's occurring with Amazon pay. And by once enjoy everywhere, which expands a little bit of the revenue generation is very exciting. And then there's others kind of scattered features like contact permissions EPL, but conversation in any transactional, experiences where we're putting on resource perfect. So how can the voice by listeners keep track of what you're doing on social media? We are skilled creative. Skilled, creative dot com on pretty much every social channel where at skilled creative. We put our opinions we share stories. We think are interesting were absolutely obsessed with the voice space, moving this community forward and building great experiences. So if you wanna see what we're up to check us out, if you want to collaborate with us, please reach out. We're looking for smart people to, to build with Brennan Kaplan. Thanks for joining us, and sharing your thoughts with the audience. Thank you very much, voiced, by listeners still about today. I conference, I'm with Claire Mitchell vein or media. Claire, thank you for joining us today. Hi there. Okay. So Claire you were at the bats in meet up in New York City, and we're doing a retrospective here. So you're on one of the panels, you heard bunch of speakers. Tell me a little bit more about what you said and some of the things you thought were really interesting lines of discussion on the panel. You're on sure. I think that probably the biggest takeaway that I had. Didn't seem like other folks have probably was the sort of period that we're in, in terms of sophistication invoice experiences, and we've seen a mass amount of adoption based on the low cost of smart, speakers, general Clayton. But I think we're now coming to a point where we're having a craving for richer. More high quality experiences that are less linear less defined by a path. So I'm excited to see how folks take that in start enriching the experience for the user. So tell me about that. So in terms of explaining to the audience, what you mean what isn't a voice experience. That is defined by a path versus one that might be richer more versatile sheer. So we often when we. Go into voice experience are presented with a menu of options, typically two to three options and then asked which direction that we'd like to go as users, and that's a really top down way of guiding a user through an experience, which is quite different than the way that we have conversations like the one that we're having between you and I, where we can ask a question we can say a preference without being bound to one or two or three options, and that's the kind of open ended type of experience that we strive for in voice experiences. It's a long ways off to getting to the point that it's as natural as you and I are speaking at the moment, but there are ways to get closer to it. Are there any people out there that you've come across that are doing a pretty good job at this? Well, the folks that Amazon have started spreading a philosophy around situational design cut senior has sort of led the efforts in this, and rather than having sort of decision tree based approach to designing voice experience. It's more about creating modules that a user can plug in out of depending on their context, their preferences, and that's something that's -ticipant by the designer and by proxy, the voice experience. Okay. So Amazon's pushing this, but right now, we don't have a lot of examples of really good conversational interaction, you think. Well, they just presented something remarks, which was a demonstration of this sort of functionality, which was allowing users to. Plan a night out a trip to the movies, a reservation for restaurants which I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with. But it allowed the user to plug in and out of these sort of different domains of expertise, whether it was movies ticket buying our reservations for a restaurant. Without being directed by the voice assistant, and so that's one example, but it's obviously early days. I think a lot of developers designers are really excited after the launch of that to see what they can do. But as far as others that have been published and our lives that we can interact with. I don't think we've seen it quite yet. So there's a huge opportunity, that's probably fair terms of what I've come across. There are people have Asli within the existing model that are doing a better job of it than others. In terms of how natural the interaction is. But they tend to be fairly structured for the most part of what were some other topics that you were happy to hear discussed. Or maybe we're surprised here, discussed in that panel discussion because that was like a forty five fifty minutes scotch in their four of you guys are all really deep into it. He'll what else did out to you? It was it was a really nice discussion in I, I was happy to. Here. The question about opportunities for voice leaving the smart speaker and being integrated into other devices and other environments, and opportunities there because I think a lot of the times when we speak about experiences with voice assistance. We automatically have this image in our mind of the smart speaker. But that's really just the beginning. And I think the default is going to be that we have a layer of information that successful through our environment. Send inanimate objects either through voice, or through vented reality, so thinking beyond smart. Speakers really exciting so is great to hear. Other people talk about that. So devices oftentimes offer significant information around context, so a smart speaker in terms of being far field experience often in the home, not exclusively, but in the earshot of potentially other people could be one on one is opposed to like the near field with the phone or in the car where you have this other activity, which is definitely going on at the same time when you think about that as designer and someone's I'd say new voice, let's say a big global fortune five hundred brand or something like that. They already have a presence in some of these other areas potentially, but maybe not a conversational presence. Do you think about having them start first on an surface like a smart speaker and say, okay, we'll create a presence there in that'll get you involved in the sort of voice, only experience. And then we can poured it across these other device contexts. Or do you at this point sort of step back and say, okay, what are all the things you want to do with voice, and then start to knock off the similarities between the different surfaces? I think at the beginning, we often take a high level holistic view and start to identify the places where voice experience might make sense. But in terms of practical applications, we often do historically have started with of voice experienced that might be specifically designed for smart speaker, and that's also primarily because the smart speaker has been the dominant way that people interact with their voice experiences or mobile phone, but now in the past year. So with the increase in voice assistance being integrated into the automated context, and other environments headphones that cetera. We are starting to think more the practical level on what those experiences are an how to differentiate them from an experience that would be designed for your living room or your kitchen. The Broncos Zun says, okay. We definitely wanna do a smart speaker type of. Solution engagement. For voice, and then they say jeez, we wanna do one other. Let's we want either optimize for the car or the phone, where would you steer them over the near-term that absolutely depends on the brand and the goals of the brand? There might be a use case that works for one brand in the autumn of context that wouldn't for another. So it really depends on the goals, more so than the platform itself or the context, itself, we really think about where an audience is in wherein audiences spending their time and then go from there rather than the reverse. So just in terms of the entire meet up, then we sort of take a step back and sort of think about that. What one thing did you come away from that you either surprised by thought was like an important point that needs more emphasis going forward? I guess it would come back to the first point which is creating better user experiences. We've had our time to get to know the technology and the platforms, I sort of see this latter affect between user comfort, and a platform functionality and developer capabilities, where between those three parties. There's a lot of experimentation about what can be done than how to do it as each of those parties becomes more comfortable with the medium. We're going to see more of quality experiences more complex experiences and more engaging experiences. So I think that was the sort of big takeaway were at this sort of crux in, in the timeline of voice where. We've seen the experimentation in now it's time to define the, the real frameworks yet, does sort of feel like that, doesn't it word junction in, in the space where there's a lot of people who've experimented and the question is, what next one other question for you sort of follow them. Let's talk about vein or for a moment, but a lot of people think about this idea. Oh, will mostly users are mostly using smart. Speakers to listen to music may be the weather timers alarms. But for a lot of these would they would call first party services or second party services on the platform. How do you think that plays in terms of brands coming on the platform? Is that a good thing because you're to have an audience and you're not going to be the dominant player on that platform, dislike, you're not the dominant player on Facebook or one of the other channels, you've used over the last several years, and you're there, when, when they need you or do you think about that is maybe more problematic in that? There's not enough awareness or interest among consumers to try more third party apps. I think there's two things one thing that it shows is that people are interested in utility, so more so than a novelty, you're even entertainment. It's, it's primarily about utility at least now in the phase that were in currently. I think it's on its upon brands to find a place where they can provide value and to figure out what the conversations that they can have are the concretely have within audience before building something just for the sake of it on the other side. It goes back to the point about this ladder affect between people getting comfortable with what's possible platforms. Getting increased functionality developers creating more. Complex experiences. I think that now's the time to experiment and just as win smartphone came about over twelve years ago, people knew that they needed a mobile strategy, but they weren't really sure what that was in a lot of people waited for a long time still. Some people don't are some companies don't have a way to represent their website on a mobile device in a in a way that it doesn't break. Similarly with voice it's just a new medium for interacting with content interacting with brands. I think those brands that experiment now in figure out what works what doesn't are gonna have a leg up as people become more comfortable with things that go beyond setting alarm or play music in those kinds of things for enough. So now you have really significant reputation around social media. And all I probably all digital at this point, but I think a lot of people, you know, think about Venus being particularly good in that space digital in general. Do you think voices, just like another channel as part of the marketing mix? Or is there something else there, I know that Gary was very famous for making a big bet on voice early in his talked about at CS and other places for the last several years when you think about voice today is at one of many things, you're putting in the Mexicans are like a real thrust around that right now to get people to brands to engage more in that in that channel, it's, it's a bit different than social platforms, because it's an entirely new medium, our way of interacting with digital information it's going to have a tremendous impact on the way that we are able to interact with not only branded content, but Khan. In general, provides a convenience where we have immediate access to all of this information. So I think it's sort of goes beyond marketing on social, and really creating a new way for an audience to engage with whatever contents our information that you can provide. So it's a really exciting time. I think particularly when we think about the next generation, that's coming up, there's going to be an expectation that when they speak, an ask for something that there's information provided back of. So it's gonna be exciting to see how that plays out. Yeah, that's great. Okay. Well, thank you so much for spending a little time in share your thoughts about what's going on in the industry would happen at the Mita. How can the voiced by listeners? Learn more about what Vader's doing maybe connector, follow you on social media. Yeah. Lincoln is great can look yet Claire McDonnell director, inner smart and happy to always connect. Okay. Thank you very much for your time today, and sharing your thoughts with voiced by listeners. Thanks so much. Okay. Brick and sell here. I'm with socket. Muhammed Enzo, haven med who are the founders founders of resemble AI. And we're here to talk about the botany AI voice meet up in New York City saga bins. Oh, hey, welcome to voice podcast about. Thanks for having us. Yeah. How many excellent so sock if you sat through the entire section last week in York City, Tumba what your general impression was? What were people talking about what was something that stood out to you? Yeah. No, the, the event was very successful in, in a way to learn more from, you know, people have different perspectives about the whole voice base, because we had people from media companies, and then, you know, people are actually working on platforms are companies are trying to allies voices a first tool in e commerce, as well. So, you know, after the, the presentations, one, you know, I think the position by covers the, the one from Matt Harmon yourself and you know role from rain covered from different perspectives. And then after the, the event, you know, more when it was no with people, the more thing that I saw were people trying to see how they can utilize voice with. In their companies and also trying to figure out how they can differentiate themselves especially marketing companies are the media companies are, are creative agencies are orchestrated clients. They're asking for life moral, uniqueness, or personalization when it comes to making the apps. Yeah. I think that sounds about right. The panel discussion which was the last forty five minutes or so of the of the meet up had several people on it, and they spent on longtime talking about audio brandit in, so you know what were your impressions of that discussion? Where did they maybe hit the right tone? And maybe tell me if you think they missed out on anything yet think one saying, would they would have covered audio branding was the something that felt like was the, the main answer, or main theme across different panelists. But one thing they would have covered is something that we've seen when it comes to audio branding, our audio. Personalization was, you know, the, the idea of having a unique voice, which is something we had resembled are working on. And I felt like that was something and something, you know as audience actually connect with one of them after to get their perspective from a from a higher level was, you know, what are the clients saying their their, the clients that they work with when it comes to using unique voice, or when it comes to preside action to stand out compared to other competitors. Yeah. I think that makes a lot of sense. That panel discussion that was good because we had several different people giving different perspectives and how the market is developing. And I think there were different ideas about how fast it was moving, what is your thought in terms of adoption? And what you heard there. I heard a couple people saying, yes, there's really more work than we can handle and someone saying, hey, let's face it. This is a little bit slower option for the brand side than we expected. I think the brands where I look at it as what couple years back when chop outs coming out there was a lot of demand, a lot of interest in that in the cut a slow down. And now we're seeing a lot more. You know, companies trying to pivot towards that or come up with their own chat bots, and voices, one of the things that I think they're looking to implement specially when it comes to, you know, apps that are like we want to we want that, that friction of people having to type into our Afghan go away. And that's where I feel like the whole audio branding is coming into play. And that's why more and more. I feel like companies are big organizations, especially banks are moving towards now building chat bots didn't exist before until last year. And now as implementing voice in their apps, thou they're trying to figure out. Okay. How can how can that be unique compared to other people that are already in the market? Okay. So that makes sense. You know, the only thing that struck me that I thought you might have a perspective on and is oh, have you might as well. But man Armin who's Arbeid works talked about the third phase of audio something along those lines saying that sort of booth through couple of phases. And really what he's talking about, in terms of voice is a way to call up audio content being sort of a primary use case he's got some examples of, of where companies invested in down that type of work, and where he thinks idea of voices, invoice interaction, leading to audio leading to an audio distribution channel whereas will from rain agency really focused on voice is an interactive engagement tool, and how you draw people in, in create these conversations back and forth with them in the how that can help brands. What was your perspective on those two different ideas that were put forth? Yes. So I think what will mention about the whole interactive in something that, you know, Brad, you touched on in your presentation as well. When you were talking about, you know, skills that are highly rated some one of them was one of the TV shows that made the made the skill called amaz with different interactive stories with the voice actors and I think, you know, that kind of fits in what will is trying to say that, you know, that helps with the whole engagement of the of, of having different different type of skills that you can have whereas, I think Matt, now you know, oil matters a is one of our investors. We worked closely with Matt to since we were part of the synthetic Cam and won't thing they've always been pretty big on his way says while right? I it was invested in Gimblett an anchor. And now, you know, when they brought the whole synthetic camping the synthetic voice where we worked on was something that, you know, they're pretty. Sold on as a medium that can generate and convert, you know, a lot of contents that's out there that hasn't been able to convert its audio because there's a friction of having to either hire a person has sit through end converted to audio or just use one of Texas, peace tool that doesn't really capture, you know, human emission like you know, a person would. Got it. Well, I'm glad you brought us synthetic camp. So I'm guessing most listeners probably won't know what that is. Could you describe what that was and what your participation was? Yes, camp was something that, you know, Beatles, put together. So I think this is a fifth camp that they've, you know put together before it was one was called live camp. Voice camp in, I forget the other two, they're slipping my mind synthetic camp was about companies that are generating content, that's that content. That is Albert family generated or created. So we had companies. That we're focusing on from three three tooling perspective. We had one company that was turning comics Asari, turning videos or pictures into comics. You know, we had to ourselves resemble that's generally synthetic voices. So it was within that seem that we had one company that was working on created AI music. So as a different broncho company is, you know, pretty much working on creating something that was created by the use of AI and the cancer centrally. It's an accelerator rights, so they make an investment in you, you spend ten or fifteen weeks there. And then you come out you guys just had demo day correct. Yeah. It's right. So we the camps are just three months long. So it's eleven weeks and they're splitting three so you focus on products, finding customers, and unless sections on fundraising demo days kind of wraps up and it really Rennes up, which when raising really big focus. Well, that's great that you, you clarified that could you also give the voice by listeners, just a quick rundown of what resemble. I does so that they can. Look more into what your background is where you guys are headed. Sure. Yes. So presumably, I creates high-quality synthetic voices. Initially, we do it from Texas speech, this is done through voice cloning, or were able to completely create voices that don't exist. So you might give us a profile and say, hey, I want character that is about twenty five years old, she's female, she has a British accent. And here's what the character looks like in my game. Can you produce a voice, and we could produce hundred dozens of voices that you could choose from, and where we really like get ahead of that is controlling the emotion of the of the voice of the actual speech beyond text. So you actually controlling it through through different audio files to voices that can bring in emotions like happiness or sad, or, or extreme motions or subtle, emotions and through the end of it, we basically, want to make such that it's robust enough. You could bring any emotion into into that synthetic voice. Great. So what's the status of your product is at general, they'll -bility you're you still in beta? How are people interacting with the technology of developed so far? Right. So we have a bunch of what we call stock voices these voices that we put out there. That's like general, the general villa. -bility anyone coming in use it for custom voices, and for the fishes waste, we're working with more Beata be so working with brands and more creative agencies businesses general to kind of let the onboard them at the moment, and our beta product great. So how can a voice by listeners? Learn more about what you're doing keep track of the company's growth. Absolutely. So you can go to resemble that you can check out what we have there. There's a few samples. You can play around the stock voices and then you could reach out to us when you when you have a use case that you think that needs synthetic voice. Perfect. So, hey Sokha. Thank you very much for your time today and sharing thoughts about the meet up. But okay, voice podcast listeners. I have my final interview of the day about the botany meet up in New York City in June twenty nineteen and for my final guest, I have Alec. Liz rescue who is the founder and organizer of the bots. Nee need up Allen. Thanks for joining us. Your absolutely great, great to join you read a what don't you tell the listeners a little bit more about the origin of the meat up and what you accomplish on a weekly basis, because the work you do goes, well beyond voice. Yes. So I started meet up in twenty sixteen. I had seen things in a similar space in, in San Francisco. And even Austin was at a talk about conference that I thought was really kind of Arley news for the whole movement. And I realize it wasn't anything New York out that really covered the renaissance of, of chat bots, and sort of post FA what, what could be done and reaching kind of mass market. Which happens not just kind of technical toys, for, for developers, which I've used in the past, and it was exciting to be part of something that was so early that you could make something useful and something that people will see millions of people potentially tech crunch venture be talking about all the time. So I wanted to bring about a awaited meet community. Learn about it some more and just a connect people connect myself and wanted to start a group. And I was able to get that going in twenty sixteen I had some hosts so able to give space for the meet up, and I started going through asking asking people to speak, and I was the first speaker, I just did an initial overview of the, of the space in, we had almost forty people show up, and I knew definitely I was I was filling in need of connection in New York City, and we've gone from there, we quickly moved to a, I and other conversational channels like, like voice just to kinda round out the experience of. Everything related to the, the ability to make a request and get a get some soda computerized. The action in response happening back to you. Well, the made up is growing quite a bit since that first forty attendees to your first event, how big is the, the Mita group now. Yes. So we, we have a by twenty three hundred members on me, but that's that's part of our group. We also have our mailing lists. And people we host through event write another platform. So we Chevy stuff I've thousand people through through the new events that, that we push out, and we've got a nice cross section of all sorts of, of interest from entrepreneurs to people in, in large fortune ten businesses that are looking to understand. How can they leverage these new channels? These, these Botts employs channels or how can leverage I in their business and just get more information and have a star. Starting point in, in connect with people. Yeah, that's great. Now. What was your what was your first voice made up was that last November? Or have you done one before? Then I was it was November twenty seventeenth, actually was we did not do on twenty eighteen and I just thought it was an interesting space to start exploring given given the improvements in, in Canada speech to text and all the virtual systems that a kept on making huge noise with number of installs numbers skills out Google assistance hot on the heels. So I thought I thought it was great to kind of get people together in talk about it and see what's going on from a brand perspective, and it was great pet out, I met wise event. Yes, time flies. The I was thinking that it was like nine months ago. So you're here nine months ago that we did that one. Yeah. Yeah. And we met at a beta works demo day. And we, we decided we should we should do some sort of. Together and probably five percent of people actually follow up on, like we should do, but, but we end this helper following up. And it was great great. Okay. So why was now the right time to have another focus meet up just on boys. So we were definitely looking at kind of what's going on inside the space, and there's a lot of interest from the voice summit that was going on newer both last year. And there's another one coming up this year. So I thought it'd be good to kinda give people like a little primer of what's going on in the space and was able to kinda see a lot of a lot of people that were interested in speaking there and connecting with them. So we had a good opportunity to, to get a lot of interest from the speaker side, we had our biggest event, yet we had seven seven speakers. So I think I just a timing worked out in terms of the, the interests than the, the ability, kinda see who's coming out of woodwork showing excitement about the space in the end it was time. Another another round up down. Why don't you run down who some of the speakers were? Yes. Oh, so we had mad Hartman from from beta works. They've done a lot of work in the in the space in terms of providing funding for companies we had will hall from raid, who didn't incredible job going through us. Some of the early early aspects of voice in China have out applies. We had you Brett going over us some, some of the data and the backgrounds on the, the adoption of voice and some, some tips there. We had ship Argo wall from flu tag. He was able to talk about the ecommerce aspects we had Brandon Kaplan from. Skilled skilled, creative, creative. Yes, I knew an S, k- skill creative. They've done some some great work there and had a really good approach to a kind of experimentation learning clear Mitchell, we had from vein or media, those able to share again, about experimentation and kind of sonic branding, and certainly the impact that vein or has instead of bringing bringing urging technologies into the marketing discussion and we had Doug Robinson from fresh digital whose whose company has made over six hundred skills and really, really impressive to kinda see how early they jumped on that. And the, the, the amount of reached if have their skills. Great. So what were some of the things that were said during that beat up, either the presenters or the panel, the most stuck with you, as you left that night? I think from well it was it was a his quotes to win advice. You have to think in systems and kind of comparison with China, that they don't just make of stand alone, companies or services. They try to remove all the friction along the path to, to getting anything done, whether it's literally making up a delivery service or having a fleet to get things to you. So I thought that was really, really prescient in terms of how, how that ecosystem has grown there at what might happen here, and I thought is his, quote, from a Chinese company that Amazon was the most Chinese stock company in the US was, was interesting given how they've kind of spread out from books to all aspects of corporate and personal life. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. Those good. Yeah. We'll have a really good presentation. He's always. He's always interesting. Because the way he thinks about things, and obviously rain has done a lot of work on base. What else stood out? You had a long panel discussion what, what from that conversation? Do you think was maybe a little different or a little surprising from what you would expect it? I was surprised that at the interest of retail spaces in voice, I sort of thought they might drag their heels a bit or not as interested. But they, they were using it kinda early on to, to help drive drive traffic into their stores. And those, it was a nice way to, to have people vehicle to quickly decide that I'd like to make an appointment liked to be able to us. See if see if there's a bail ability. So kind of connecting the offline sort of in person worlds, I thought it was was surprising early early jump that. Yeah. I would say, that's probably something that is not a well told story because a lot of people know about Amazon, and then Google has their own shopping capabilities, but there's a lot of retailers who are circling myspace doing a little bit here. And there some of made significant investments. Most of them are really just learning at this point. But that was a that was definitely a good question. Good line of conversation. You also had some discussions around audio branding around discovery anything their pop out at you. Yeah. I thought the audio Brandon was was an interesting one kind of making sure that people have a have a memory of you. And the way that connects across devices. Famous tones from kind of radio or TV or, or jingles, those type of things without kind of giving an overly like long explanation of, of who you are what your brand is name of the brand. It just gives you familiarity in, in a in a second. So I thought that was interesting place to see where where brand star going in how to devices star start supporting Moore that not just having kind of a very verbose introduction from brand, but starting to push people to recognize it from from just a, a series of tones, for example, sort of like the opposite of what will was diagnosed that. You've got this idea of thinking systems, and then you have this, atomic level, audio or sonic fingerprint on the other end like to help people identify who you are. I think that was really interesting. So what was something that you think did not get covered that? You would have liked to be covered if you'd had time or that you expect to be addressed in more detail at voice nineteen coming up newer, so I thought the notion of a kind of the Alexa conversations announcement we could have had a bunch more time on. It was just really knew. But I, I love the idea of lowering the bar for getting sort of this connected workflow across skills across companies, and it it's, it's something we've seen in pots, where okay, there's a dialogue system that lets you kind of navigate through bought without having all these common toy explosion of specific rules on you need this, this particular amount of info in this order. Whereas conversations takes not just internally within your your dialogue, but also externally where they can pull out and get a PI calls out to other businesses and, and automats route you to, to somewhere else. So I thought putting that out of the box to say with Alexa is is gonna start becoming very powerful as as people. Look for new ways to get there. Get their company in front of people, and steam vocation words, they clearly were were a stopgap so to say, and there's gonna be definitely improvements in the future. And I think this is going to be a Lynch pin to a lot of making sure that you can get your skill in front of people without a being a directly asked for it very verbose manner having to do it. More more ambient getting to what you need. Yeah. No, that's great. And for voiced by listeners in case you missed it to so ago it was three episodes. But earlier, June, we had the remorse conference recap, and talked in depth about Alexa conversations. Although I will tell you. There's not a lot of discussion to be had around Alexa conversations right now. I think we can talk about it in terms of this idea that were changing the way that you both develop in the way things might be discovered alternately, but it's so new. It's not even preview yet. They just announced that it will be in preview. And it won't be general villa -bility for a long time. If I guess, but, but I think you're right. That is interesting for anybody who likes the idea of sort of the newness of technology because then will be a significant change when it does come about. Yeah. For sure. Just one last thing since you've got so much experience on the on the champ side. What do you think is like a key difference between chat bots voice that you've learned over the last couple of years, the maybe some people don't recognize is really differences, because I think when people think of, oh, it's all conversational. I but chat voice are really distinct. Yeah. And there's, there's so much written richness information. Voice in, in tex-. You can do sentiment analysis, but it's always sort of veteran theory than practice identify what people are saying was with voice, you can actually read emotion. You can read impatience even and much more directly be able to identify what, what this users, actually looking looking to do in how how they feel about it. You can identify someone just from their voice, which is which is another kind of lowering of friction compared to all sorts of authentication, or allowing methods for for chop bought so and just just the naturalness of it. If you're able to, to speak freely, in quickly, it's it's much faster to, to get your intent across provide, you have a good system. If you have to be verbose than sure typing might be faster, if you can put a specific command keywords together. But if you can just speak naturally NADA, kind of considered too much in the back in a is really good than voices really gonna gonna take off. Yeah. Great. Okay. So elevate you so much for your time today. Thanks for organizing, the meet up. It was really fun to see so many people together New York City to share different perspectives. It's it's been a while. So it's good to get people to spread especially that intimate setting where there's, you know, eighty or one hundred or one hundred twenty people, I don't remember how many are there, but it's not like you go to conference, Mitch five thousand so we were all able to chat sort of catch up on what was going on. How can the voice by listeners? Learn more about your meet up and maybe follow you on social media to keep track of what you're doing. Yeah. So our meet up addresses, WWW dot bots, and AI dot com. A and E spelled out and I'm on Twitter on Alec one A, and you cannot follow me there and see what's what's going on. 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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 591: Unsure About Westbrook and Lakers

GSMC Basketball Podcast

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 591: Unsure About Westbrook and Lakers

"Get your ears wrapped around the golden state media concepts basketball. Podcast all the scoop. You need to know from college basketball to the nba and even march madness. Zoos of your rising stars on and off the hard work. This is the golden state media concepts basketball. Podcast welcome back to the basketball. Podcast brought to you by the snc podcast network. I'm your host michael shredder. Thank you guys again for tuning in to this podcast episode today and for listening to the gmc basketball podcast. In general we really appreciate it. We hope you guys are enjoying the contents and looking forward at least to listening to some of the interesting takes that we have going on we. I really good show coming up. You guys we're gonna talk about the fit of russell westbrook on the los angeles lakers. We're gonna talk about kyle. Lowry potentially going the miami heat. What that would mean we're talking about. Who should the dallas mavericks prioritize in free agency. And then i'm gonna talk about. What will jaw can mingo bring to the warriors as a prospect. So it's gonna be a great show a lot of things to talk about and it's gonna be really fun to break those all down for you guys the star of the show. We got some things that break down and talk about though and that is russel. Westbrook is now. A member of the los angeles lakers so for people who aren't a fan of super teams. Just got another big super team in the nba. Russell westbrook lebron james. Anthony davis are all paired together and looking to make a nice files. Run crazy right. Now that can be pulled off wealth. The trade happened like this. Basically the lakers got rid of potatoes. Caldwell-pope cow kuzma a draft. Pick 'em mantras herro for russell westbrook russell. Westbrook is set to make about forty two million dollars a year next year on his contracts and the wizards get some decently valuable assets. Mantras herald was gonna walk away for basically nothing so you at least Trade away for something kyle. Whose mother was the lakers fans wanted him out for a while and tears call. Oh pope is was a useful rotation piece. I'm not going to not definitely did some great things in terms of other finals when he had some big games against denver in the twenty twenty western conference files. But obviously people are thinking westbrook's upgrade over those guests. So there's mixed messaging in the media about this whole higher trade or the deal so bureau like automakers are gonna win the files now in some people are saying well. The lakers are gonna have major spacing issues and three point shooting issues. And how are those three hours. Lebron and russell westbrook going to play together when both guys are so bald dominant in house. That can actually play out at work for them. So i get those concerns. Those make a lot of sense. And what i'm gonna do on. This segment is breaking down from couples. I'm talking about how russell fits might pain on the fit. And then we'll talk about. What else the lakers need to be in better position to get back to the files so off with basically i'm talking about the fit right russell. Westbrook average double last year. Sarah triple double in four. The last five years and i wanna be i before we get in my opinion. I've been on record. Saying i was not a big fan of this right. I would be breaking that down later in the segment. Why i think this is going to be not as great as some people think. I think there's potential for it to be good but also more potential for it to be bad but what's interesting to me. What's interesting to me. Definitely looking at this. Is that you look at russell westbrook. Frankly the guy's got a lot of heart law athleticism great speed in open court. You can finish around the rim. His seventeen fifteen. The seventeen foot jump shot is pretty good. He can facilitate. He's very good for bigs. In terms of the fact that he'll be able to get into the paints Get lobs the rim for big guys. So antidote will get a law points inside it will be achy. Pretty easy for him to score and russ plays in. Russia's has played in many big off moments right so there's the added benefit. He's been alive big playoff moments. He's played in finals. He's playing western conference files twice. He's played in multiple second round first round series with different teams. So everyone knows that this guy is a. He's a hall of fame. Talent ready. has the most amount triple doubles in the history of the nba. But soviet look into staff pattern right now the guy. That's gonna necessarily equate winning. They look more of a guy that's gonna kuwait entertainment. So how's this work for waker. Will the lakers will get a guy that will be there for the majority of the games. Who usually who is very healthy. Even though he's had four surgeries he's been very. he's been very healthy recently. And you look at the fact that he is a guy that can attack off the balance he can offer different pace of plays gonna help. Ignite more transition points for the lakers. There is that element to it right. The latest complain a faster pace lebron james and get lesser workload. Anthony davis can just get lesser workload because russell westbrook can win games. The regular season for you right. That's one kind of get reich is because he has proven that he could win games for you. Based on just pure determination he definitely beat of those teams and you know he he can lau lebron play west minutes antedates comply last minutes they can get their buys healthier for the playoffs but understand getting a top seed in the western conference is no guarantee anymore right. People said all the lakers can just figure it out later. The seventy last year was passed in the nba in the western conference. They had the play the play into him in order to get in there. And the phoenix suns remember. They lost the first round in six games. So that's got of howard is so it's just kind of how is with russell westbrook right. There's there's there's that element of just looking at how things are going to play out in terms of his fit like he played you horribly. Be to ball down and like these are all valuable valid concerns. I would say because you know russell westbrook sprint. A guy who hasn't always the narrative has been with him if he can't fit with her stars and you know a good example is everyone thought that he was the reason that case he lost series and was the problem with the reason why he apologized can play well together. He and kevin durant clinton play well together. Those narrative right here. James harden couldn't play together the average twenty seven points in had probably most efficient season during that season. The issue is it has been can westbrook may jump shots big mouths. Well the answer is yes he can. He can make big shots in big moments and before but definitely the playoffs. he's not been a relied upon. Jump shooter right. And that is something that unfortunately has costin chances to win the postseason. But he has had good playoff series bad playoff series to be frank where he's had playoff series where he's played really well and he's had glouster is where he has not done much and shot that percentage because he is wildly inefficient and he i love russell westbrook but he does frustrate me with his while. Lee inconsistent play. And i think that contributes unfortunately a lot to his level play a certain period of time. So that's kind of the way. I will get it now. We also have to look at the fact that. How does he fit with brian. James like how would that fit. Well you have probably if you were to be successful the and have to be probably the primary playmaker the has to be more the quote unquote third score a thorns scoring option and have westbrook be that slashing to guard and have added just do things. 'cause people forget westbrook's very good at getting into the pain lobby into bigs so i tell you in terms of him. Nancy davis fitting they at you might fit very well. It's him lebron right there. The question records people. I don't think understand quite have the fact that the russell westbrook does get the big involved. Very heavily rice Frank thomas bryant alex len and robin robin lopez Stephen adams for example right look at ads. Numbers in okay steve. Look at his numbers Pelicans last year right his numbers. No casey were far better far better right. And that's that's russell westbrook though right now. That's what he does he get. He can get guys involved very easily. Because he's very good at gains paint facilitated. Yes that's pretty much. How kind of works. And so here's how i will get right. Here's how i look at. This is an interesting fit. I don't look they're going to be a team that will be any contending type conversation. Do i think they are guarantee. Walk to come out of the western conference. No do not think that. Do i think there are a lot to win the championship. No i do not think that. Because i think russell westbrook's for how much i love the guys player right like i actually would have really liked to have on the next this year so i think he would fit well with jewish ran on those guys. Unfortunately i see there's a big problem. The wafers unfortunately that niece address. Now they're gonna be countered this argument right for the the big argument that i've heard i agree with is there will be lack of three point shooting with him on the court right. And how will the ball be distributed between him and lebron james so that is one side to and so the counter. At which i've heard from some people is well they're gonna get shooting and the last couple of championship teams. The lakers the raptors in the box did not shoot the three very well. The playoffs okay. And they use their size in their length played. Great defensive five five and you know with all these guys they lose. How are they going to be able to play defense and everything like that all right. Those are all valid concerns by the way. But my thing is look at the lakers. I think yes they needed so if if they were all talk about why think about what they need. Waiter a few minutes in the segment will later on. But i really see the fit as gain this team to be a championship team. And it's not. Because i don't think russell westbrook a great player. It's because i think that unfortunately he's not efficient enough score and as as outside shooter for me to trust him late game with his jump shot. I trust them late. Game gains the basket and making plays. I don't trust him with his with his three point. Jump shot his career Thirty one percent three point sharon. He shot thirty one point eight percent last year from three so i mean he's not a good three point shooter. Lebron is a dangerous three point. Shooter will say right. He shot thirty five thirty six percent. The last couple of years but again right westbrook's had pretty good free. Throw shooter eighties before the most career. So if you follow at least you can go there. Make free throws but lebrons not a great free throw shooter but again. Lebron can't be your only relied upon option the clutch and lebron and dispel. He's clutch blair. Obviously he's one of the great players play the game but he's gonna get double the end of games and we're going to force force westbrook to beat them. That's how they're going to do it. And when the lakers played houston back in two thousand and twenty in the bubble playoffs. Second round double. James harden enforced westbrook the shoot and then end up going in their favorite. So that's where my stands a little bit on this right. I understand that people love russell westbrook in thank. You have three superstars of team. You can't lose but again. This could be a james harden situation. Where in brooklyn where we thought that he inquiry and kevin durant couldn't work out. badchi working out pretty well together in terms of when they played together the played pretty good basketball but now they only play games together right. They lost right but they could be like a sense era with other brands of wayne. Waiting chris bosh might not be a great fit together. Then have two championships i will. They definitely underachieved. I think for what they had but they still want to. Championships did went back to back so this could work. I think that they're gonna be you know a team that i think we'll get the western conference files or whatever. I don't think there are locked together. The western conference. I don't think that i had the most talented team now. But they don't have a ton of shooting. And i think you need shooting in the playoffs. Now they could acquire free agencies to get that but again they're three stars are not all they're not great shooters right. Lebron is a decent shooter and it is a very good fifteen to eighteen. Foot jump shooter. He kenneth ray but he's not a great three point shooter and westbrook as we all know is more of a guy who wants to attack the basket against the mid range pulp. He's not. He's not reliable reliable three point shooter so i actually. I heard it argued this morning. That you middle sesame like look. I think buddy healed would better fit. Not he's not by no means easy better point and russell westbrook who russell westbrook is four or five times. The player that buddy. He'll this but buddy he'll is consistent three point here but i heard argument this morning. That was interesting saying that. Buddy healed is the issue with. He's a three point shooter but the problem is he hasn't played any big games in his career. Russell westbrook cats so at least there's at relied upon effect to saying okay russell. Westbrook has played in big moments before. So you can trust him. Okay you can. Maybe the problem westbrook is the heat that he's he's what he can. When you playoff games he also has proven booze. Playoff games has not because he doesn't play hearts because he doesn't try to get better. It's not he's not a good team. They're good leader is because of its efficiency in his in his lack of a perimeter jump shot a being reliable in those big moments. So that's the problem. I i kind of get with with arguments. That while i love russell westbrook and i think he is just a free nature in place As hard as hell and it's just really really athletic and does live. Incredible things in his passing pace of play gains the basket. Just pure amazing. Athletism speed is ball handling right and you talk to the. He's going to be difficult guard because he will. Just come at you. The entire game any was put all his effort into it but the lakers. Unfortunately don't address the concerns that have plagued with the playoffs last year which they whack of a three point shooter right. Alice caruso tailored look telenor and tucker might be a guy that emerged to be three point shooting option. 'cause i actually to be honest. I'm not a big fan of the nothing lava people are. That guy's really really good. And i think that he could be a really good starter. For ben spy's for you but i was theresa's not like a consistent three point shooter and ben mclemore who knows. They're keeping him right. Andre drummond who knows what they're doing with him to keep him or not or to start him. Whatever but i think the lakers have you know still a big hole shooting where they don't really have a really goto three point shooter right. They don't have a guy that you think of jay ready type or a playboy plus season joe harris right or buddy healed aurea klay thompson type guy or you know duggan robinson type guy who just basically Threes that would help their team right. That's the that kind of problem with At this is like why like westbrook a lot. I don't think he fits with the lakers as well as i think some people think he does. I just don't see the the fit right in the playoffs. Right who's are they're both ballgame. It's westbrook Not having the ball in his hands much right now. 'cause i gotta westbrook have control. The boys point guard right point guards in his day and age. Very ball dominant right. It's it's that's kind of how it is right. He's he doesn't like when he plays off the ball he just gave me like a slasher but did work. Very well in houston. I just don't know how well work in l. a. but it could work what we don't know i personally think it's a a questionable fit in with lakers. Now in terms of what the lakers need right. I kyle looted to it in a minute ago. They need shooting right in a and right now some guys. I think they can look at our like carmelo anthony. They he'll guys'll jj radic. I think that those guys will be good. I mean look at they. try you know swain spencer. Dinwiddie album that works in terms of their cap space. But guys like jj carmelo. Anthony would be better for this team because karnal if he's coming off the bench. At least even he provides shots forty for three the last couple of years guy can really shoot so the shokhin. jj So at least you can have some shooting with those guys and now it helped their team tremendously is they they. They desperately need at the moment. They need guys who consistently knockdown threes consistently provide spacing for westbrook abroad drive in innovative davis to be in the Because remember davis is now forced to play the senate position more and he and he has agreed to do that more. Because i think the lakers are best when he does play center because he's such a place center. He's such a mismatch for the team center when he's healthy it's just it makes things much more difficult for them to be successful in terms of their game plan against them. So that's what i look at that. That's a big big component of this whole deal. Because i look at these teams and when i look at them play. Those are some guys looking at two so j radical. Carmel is gonna probably with the lakers. I guess. I think that would be a good fit. I think he'd be a guy. At least it provides shooting. He's definitely bought into being off the bench. Now look the hall famous when he was in his prize. One of the best players in the week. But this guy now what you know being lebron. I have a chance to win a championship. You provide some shooting. They desperately need and that is important especially when they're trying to win a championship right jay again. Our great shooter nar guy that i really liked to. That's you know it is. But supposedly they're also looking guys like danny green or patty mills right patty mills. For example be a great fit. Backup point guard can really shoot has been through many playoff moments. He's playing grade the australian team. He's a leader. He knockdown shooter so that could really work out well as well so there is that whole always components to it and you know the lakers definitely have an interesting situation. Their hands on as big a fan of westbrook. Move as some people are. But i think that you know they get some shooting. Who knows they. They're deathly contender. I just don't know their teams. There could be good enough storms of spacing and chemistry wise to get. But we'll see we're a quick commercial break here. But when i come back we will be talking about a whole slew of things kyle lowry potentially in the miami heat dallas mavericks as well as later on we'll be talking about john the gingas fit on the warriors so that will be coming back up when we return. So you guys shortly. Are you looking for the very best. Nfl and college football podcast. Then check out the gsm gmc football podcast get the latest football movies both on and off the field from the nfl draft who treats the rumor mill to the nfl combines. They got you covered. That's gsm podcast. Dot com slash. Football dash podcasts. Get updates i'm college. Rivalries day insights and much much more. It's football talk. The way you wanted. This show eat sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like a month. Facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Gs mt podcasts. Dot com for more info. Welcome back to gsm gmc basketball. Podcast brought you. By that. She smc podcast network. I'm your host. Michael shredder and this podcast. I hope it. I hope he is our in the content. We are sharing with you guys right now and we got some good news obsolete we rely mba free agency things to talk about got draft. Software will get to so. There's a lot of things that we can break down but we also have. You know the big news on this segment talking about the addition of kyle lowry right now. Reportedly he's to the miami heat and it'll be very interesting now later on in the show we'll be breaking down. What the dallas mavericks near do in frequency as well as how john that can fits with the warriors so that will be all be coming up later on this episode so stay tuned for that but right now. We're talking about kyle. Lower feel forget kyle. Lowry was kinda in out alive. They're looking to trade him like that. But kyle lowry at. She had a very solid season last year. For the raptors. He averaged seventeen point. Two points a game. Seven point three assists a steal per game forty three percent of the field and thirty nine point six percent from three and look at the. The rogers had really difficulties in forty six games but he had a really good year nonetheless. Cin his guy definitely gonna bring a lot of value to the miami heat. If this deal is reportedly still goes through now larry's going to be potentially right now in the miami heat which will be very very interesting and you know the basic exchange for go on dragic package which will be interesting Press chula and Future second round draft picks and right now they still have the potential to bring back gallic dunkin robinson for this year so they got a lot of things. Topsy contemplating stuff like that. But if you're me larry's definitely be an upgrade over over in. i liked goran dragic. He's obviously a very good veteran. Plyer provides log great value. Shoot get to the rim smart player guys been through a very experienced so i i understand that like you know miami vanished by sad to see dragic go but ultimately i think everyone agrees that this is the right. Move for the miami heat if they want to be back in that playoff picture now kyle. Lowry is thirty five years old and hasn't been a great playoff performer. But his friendship with jimmy butler the fact they still have a good nucleus in terms of their core will that could prove to very good. So that's kind of how it should work Course suing doug around Resigns it'd be done arrives in the guys. Like deng arrives tyler hero band at a by jimmy butler kyle lowry guys that you know. Our experienced right have had good valued. The fact is they're gonna sell shooting yourself out of bio side who had a very good year last year jimmy butler sunni stays healthy as a big. If with that guy you know he's gonna want to redeem itself because he did not play very well against milwaukee this year the playoffs at all and labile expect him to. Have you know have a bigger impact. Because of his bubble play is playoff awards in the past abuse. You've been pretty good. So kyle lowry again. What he brings In wake where does this put miami. I'll talk about those things. Pretty much in the segment but to break down a little bit more. Just about miami. Generally so miami as everyone remembers or maybe was not paying attention to they made to the files in twenty twenty. They lost to the lakers in the bubble bubble. Nba finals and six games. You know they're the cinderella story. They're beating all of these teams. They beat the indiana pacers in the first round in the four. Five matchup at five see. They swept him then. They'd beat milwaukee and five games than they be boston in six games in the eastern conference finals and they did three Pure grit toughness. Great defensive intensity great defensive schemes and rotations and adjustments offense with their move the ball really well guys running open threes and that was a big thing as well. You know i i. I looked at in a positive way for sure so people thought it was a fluke because they're saying like the next year this past year they got the sixth seed in the east they also alive covert issues. Some guys didn't play off to their par- in the second year. They had injuries. Chemistry wasn't quite right for the for the year because Jimmy butler wasn't silly healthy with kobe. Protocols and injuries tower hero. He had co protocols at injuries. Bama bio was consistent but they didn't know rework consistent all-time right in the they just unfortunate. We're not. we're not as good as we thought they were but they just they got blasted by the walkie bucks in three straight games and after was in game one it pretty much just became a smackdown three straight games and they got swept by the milwaukee bucks. So that's kind of how. Their season went eric's posters. Wanted best coaches in this league without question. I think he's a really good goes. Jersey adjustments in terms of justice offense to different trends. I think he's big on you. Know everyone shares the ball. Everyone gets the shine kind of offense. And i think that would Fits well for him and the way he played right there. They have pat. Riley's had coach about two years ago. They you know they play topic play gritty. They usually have. They had a tough seven defense this year. Their offense suffered a lot compared to twenty twenty twenty twenty. They had a really good offense as well but adding lower is gonna help their offense tremendously and he's also guy is pretty good defensively as well and look miami. You know as you know guys who are trying to prove themselves tyler hero. I had a little bit a sophomore. Slopped numbers weren't that bad but he didn't shoot a great percents consistently done robs after you had a very good year in my opinion and he played well in big games but assuming he resigns right. He's gonna wanna Continue to prove himself. I hope he resides with miami right. Bam bio didn't play great in the playoffs. He's gonna wanna definitely you know. Get himself back into a better position. He's gonna i think he needs to definitely develop in that 15-footer more because he's an eighty percents fracture so he should be sure. And that fifteen hundred way. More jimmy baller. Obviously he had a very bad playoff series against milwaukee so he's guy lots of proof and that they were in the writings for example Potential gang guy like hawaii letter reich wider. I think would have been a great. Because he's supposed to. He loves jimmy butler. He jimmy get along really well and that could have potentially been something that maybe could have worked for them this year. But they're looking at kyle lowry. Kyle lowry jimmy archie. Good friends and get along very well. So there is a huge component as well right so that that does help in terms of looking at what this team needs what their actual big needs are you know is a point guard that can create. A shot is been gorging. Do that but kyle lowry an upgrade. Right gordon zolder. He's not quite the player. Kyle lowry is a. I would say playoff wise. Gordon did show he guys. You know big playoff moments within and he proved that in two thousand twenty even the more walking in game one. He did prove to show some sparks of good play. So people say that. You'll gordon is not a great plot is not a good player and not key to a teaneck mona championship. I would have to disagree with that. But kyle lowry in toronto. Were little bit disgruntling. The situation so this was going to happen and this is a good fit for him. I think it's a very good fit. So china jump into. So what is kyle lowry. Bring to the miami heat right. And that's an important question. Whenever you get free agents whenever you get these types of players that are trying to change your franchise. You gotta look at like. What are these guys going to bring you. What are they going to do. How are they gonna do it. What exactly are they going to bring to the table that some people may when expecter whatever and that's important obviously when you're looking at kind of how these guys are transitioning how these guys revolving their gains. What exactly are they going to do it. How are they going to do it. So that is an important thing. Obviously when you look at these free agents because their guys are now added to your team you gave up guys get them. And what are they going to bring to your team kyle. Lowry brings a few things. He brings toughness. He brings leadership he brings experienced. He brings playmaking and he brings three point shooting toughness. This disguise is a pit bull. You'll get into defensively. He's very physical defensive end he makes tough place of get loose balls get rebounds get steals who do little things for you as as a point guard he you know. He's got a very strong built for guys. Only about six feet tall. Probably file eleven at best. And that's a big thing with him. He's very tough very physical very mentally tough and that's a big reason. Why he's a champion is an nba rodney. Ads had some decent playoff moments because of that leadership is guy who's been around leading toronto team for a while now and he's a guy that had a leadership role in hawaii. Leonard was there right. And that's a big reason. Why i think toronto was super. Successful is because they had a guy. They can look to his leader in terms of vocal leader. More guy if you're at a leadership role acquires that really leader. He's a leader Play but that's kind of the the addition of that in a sense. So that's kind of way i look at in in that sense Because i think that kyle lowry brings leadership right. He definitely brings leadership to team. That has already established a leader jimmy butler but having another guy who has led teams to be successful has been the ploughs many times in has has leadership qualities and his vocal about it. That's only going to help this team get better. So that is another really big benefit to the miami heat is they're adding guy that's going fit their culture really well ask some leadership to improve the has ally young players that has some experience obviously being successful in the playoffs but just bring another leader is not it is not gonna do anything but help the squad get better. Obviously in the miami heat ryden. That's the way i look at it right. That's forever the lakers have the brawn. James running guys like rondo when they won the championship right. That's the clippers brought rhonda because leadership right and that's a big thing a big thing. Obviously when you're looking at a team going forward you need have multiple guys. You can look at maybe leave the team in different ways whether it's with their play where it's with their words or actions off the court. There's there's different ways to be a leader and i think having multiple leaders that you can look to and the different ways they do. Lead is such a crucial and important thing when you're trying to build a team that's trying to compete in their respective conferences for playoff spots when he playoff surgery trying to win a championship so leaderships another big component with. Kyle lowry the healthy bringing to the miami heat. Another key point to to break down for you guys is that he has experienced now. Wise experience important. Well to a team like Wise experience if the question. I'm trying to ask the wise experienced so important to a team like miami. Who's been the last couple of years. He's been the nba files. Well kyle. lowry is an nba champion right. Yes kawhi leonard definitely had moments where he kind of carry that team. The offense event but kyle lowry big moments in the playoffs as well and he's a guy who's been pleasant many times in his career. He's play against guys like lebron james. He's playing against guys like kevin durant. He's played against guys like jason tatum. These point against guys like Cuco in his career not only the regular season and playoff so he knows what it takes to win and he's been he hasn't always been successful the playoffs but he's guys been there multiple times and his teams have always been successful when he was usually the best part of that team and now him being made the second or third option on a team like that. That experience always helps because at least for younger players have struggled blouson connor trying to get over the hump because miami for example did not get past the first round last year right. So he's he's going to help in the regular season you know keep them. Keep them afloat. Keep them in right physician to be successful but also they're looking at the fact that you got a guy who's going to be able to at to give you more experience as if in case you get further the playoffs right how to close out games. You know what to expect. Because you're going to have rookies and his team. You're gonna have guys who are playing more man's as you don't know how things are going to happen right and he's going to give the experience to help out guys like tyler hero Sophomore year a second year. I mean in the nba where stint performance wells. He as people expected him to. And that's obviously an important point too. You know obviously analyze your too because a lot of people you know. Don't always get that that point all the time either and that is just a very very valid point. When you're looking at guys who are trying to maybe potentially it'll get your team to the next level right so experienced obviously is needed and every team right. You have experienced. You're only going to help those guys. They have experienced. Just get better right again right. This why andre jal was brought into the miami heat right did bring that experience to bring that winning The warriors to bring the toughness right it kyle. Lowry is obviously a better off to play at this point and does more things in the offensive end at a guy like a andrea dollar doesn't out but experiences experience and that always helps anything right of job. Think of you know if you're you know higher up in in in the survey education high school and college right. Experience helps you terms of what to be prepared for what to expect what your daily schedule is gonna look like how you can be successful. Experience is just a key thing right. I think that you'll jimmy ballers have plenty of experience right. Dunkin rob's music experience bama bio right. But only gonna help having another guy who's actually won in had experienced doing so what it took for that team to win toronto back in twenty nineteen and how that can transfer miami heat team right so experience experience experience is a big thing right look he brings toughness he brings leadership brings experience. Those are three things. I think he'll bring from from especially just helping these guys and they get another veteran presence. Who is still is already. It's still very good player. That always going to help as miami heat team get better right. I haven't experienced. I always liked to have in terms of you know especially if you're a team that has been the plaza light-years needs to go the top. You get a veteran star. Who's who's been through before who's been so successful. Only get help team get better. Any brings playmaking. He's a guy that averaged seven point three assists. He added seventeen points. He's a guy that's definitely upgraded terms the playmaking category from guy lower of a galley goran. Dragic any yet. He's he's still a very good player right. He's still can score in bunches very good three point shooter which i'll get into that last point with him in a moment but he has playmaking. Okay guys easier shots. He abandoned by are gonna work. Well the pick and roll is gonna take less than the duties off of jimmy butler play more point guard role. And that's obviously important rights. It's very important and that is something that you know. I look at and think that that's going to bring some benefit right so that is something that definitely is important when looking at how this team is going forward right. They're getting a guy who can play make for others and self Averaged seventeen points average twenty points. So you know. He's always been consistent. Score is a guy that also gets guys involved right. He always is around seven assists as assistant game. So this is a guy that is going to help the The heat mightily in the plane they can category and take less pressure off a guy like jimmy butler half deliver that consistently night after night for them to try and win so that that's definitely look at and that could be to their benefit. So that's the way i look at it. I think that can help them. They're obviously and the last thing is three point shooting right. Look miami three points years but they don't have as much as you would think right. Dan byles three point shooter. Jimmy butler ninety three point shooter andrea dollars not relate great. Three point shooter right. They have gave can shoot the three right but the big thing is you're gay guy who's aim knock down three point shooter and you at you pair that with like guys like dunkin robinson and tyler hero for example that adds a lot more spacing to the court for guys like jimmy butler bam at to operate more the paint and that is key especially off ball screens pattaya our shoot from anywhere offscreen off dribble thirty nine point six percent three is really good he shoots a very good besides three consistently and he likes to shoot a three right. So that's only gonna add to whatever exposure likes to do live dribble handoff. And that's only gonna help because he can shoot basically from any kind of situation offhand. Dos drill me off ball screens cash. Shoot you know pulling in transition. That's only going to help the miami heat from that angle too. Because they're gay guy at least it's gonna continue to add to the three point shooting and that was something. They struggled with plausible been. That's where the struggle at times in the regular season came a little dependent on dunkin. Robinson gonna take less pressure of doug robinson to be the only consistent three point shooter and pressure off tyler hero to be consistent three point. You're off the bench having another guy who can really shoot the three and shoot it insured. Any way is only going to put more pressure on the defense to have to adjust and pay attention to a guy like kyle lowry. So that's a big benefit. They're going to get from him. Being at three point shooter that i think really can help his team in a positive direction and again the nba's about three point shooting right so the more consistent three points years get in how they can create their own shot in how they can do it. The better right. The nba sky turned to gore base leak. Having the ability to shoot and shoot consistently is something that is so valued upon. Because they look at guys like steph curry damian lillard klay thompson trae young. Look at the way. These guys can shoot the basketball. That only helps adds value of guys. Like cow larry playing on a team that likes to shoot the three like rather rather offense to get three point shots through constant motion. So that's all that's gonna help that. Sue and again. You don't have to rely on the constant motion to Shot and get into a three point shot as well so that also as after tip so now in terms of where i see. Miami miami has the better position But this doesn't make them a championship team by by no stretching immagination and makes them more of a team that you know you have to wracking because they have you know three legitimate stars in their team now. But they're not i. They're there for their august second round team the best in the eastern conference in my opinion. So that's kind of way. I look at it and analyze it from that lens. Because they just don't have enough star power beat teams like milwaukee. I land personally better than still. I think that brooklyn's definitely better and you can argue phillies better right. So like so the there'll be a team that can compete to try in the second row but it all really depends on how these guys play in. How good the other guys. That are the role players. Make the adjustments. So that's how it is to. Where's that quick commercial break. But when i come back to talk about what the dallas mavericks need in free agency all backup when we return tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen and hear this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than a podcast blitz with endless hours of podcast covered from news sports music entertainment fantasy football and so much more so stop lurking around and go straight to the golden state media concepts pie task network guaranteed to build that. Podcast is whatever it may be visit. Www mc podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and google play. Welcome back guys again. Gsm gmc basketball podcast brought to you by the gsm see podcast network on your host. Mike shredder again guys. I'm glad that you are choosing to listen to this. Podcast episode. glad you're choosing to be with us today. And i'm excited to at least break this south down for you guys. Nba free agency nba draft. All this stuff. We're break it down and today's a big day for me to be breaking that stuff down for you guys and i hope he has at least checked out my first two segments before this one later on in the show my last seven. We'll be talking about. Jonathan commingled fit on the on the warriors as well as moses moody i. I forgot to mention that earlier. I'm talking about this draft. Picks what that means for them because everyone's interested in the warriors right. Now i think have the fourth best odds to win the nba championship. So that's according to espn. When i watched Get opera something recently. So we're talking about that later. But if you had a chance to check out my previous segments i talked about russell. Westbrook go into the los angeles lakers and what that means the fit what russell westbrook brings to them where that ultimately puts them in a championship contending spot and ultimately why more thing about that in a questionable way than positive favorable way. When i think about russell westbrook in the brian james. Nancy davis playing together with will shooting around them. My second segment talked about kyle. Lowry go reportedly. Now is going to the miami heat and i talked about what kyle lowry did with the miami. He kind of have accomplished last couple of years and what his fit will be in how he will bring success to that team ultimate. Why they're still gonna probably just be best a second round team in the eastern conference even without with kyle lowry on that squad. So that's the way we look at it and now the segment of about the breakdown now is talking to the dallas mavericks. What they need in free agency to get luca past the first round and how they should approach it right the dallas mavericks for people who are listen to the first time and don't follow it as closely as as you know i do. The dallas mavericks were the fifth seed in the western conference last year. They lost the clippers. Seven gains and they You know show look. Odds showed how incredible he was right. He averaged thirty five point. Seven points a game. Ten point three rebounds seven point nine rebounds. Ten point three assists a game and seven point nine rebounds in their seven seven-game series loss to the los angeles clippers. And you know look is expected to sign a supermax contract. That'd be worthy of forty million dollars and They create thirty four billion dollars a cat space by declining willie collie signs team option traded josh. Winston celtics. And right. now you know there are there are some legitimate guys. Look at but on the segment You know more. So what what. They what they need to be successful who they should target in an ultimate way. Where i think this team could be next season so i think those are the three things. I'm going to cooperate damp so again. Look at dot's for people who are not followed basketball's heavily. He's probably right now. Arguably a top five or six player in the nba number six on my recent west of top ten players. I think it's potential. He has the great potential in the best. When the week. He's get by the first round of my opinion. he's unbelievable he's been dominated in the olympic so far absolutely dominate. I mean he had a bad game. Recently i think it was a valuable to twelve fourteen in like eight. So they play germany in the in the quarterfinals. From our looks like and it'll be it'll be very interesting. Obviously see how that all falls off right. So and germany finished. Wanted to enact nonstop. So you'll look great chance to get slovenia to maybe potentially this olympics which would be great for him great for his stock and everything like that but everyone knows how luke is right and they have. They are expect aside back. Tim hardaway junior. Who was a really good rotation piece for that. He really emergences eight a third scoring often and sometimes the second scoring option for dallas especially us kind of second scoring option and that was a big thing they were looking at obviously and really benefit from. Because he's been wildly inconsistent. And that's kind of the way they've been looking addison because tim hardaway. Junior does provide a lot of value to the mavericks. Because he's a guy that can lead the three shot. Thirty nine percent averaged sixteen points. And he's the guy that he's a gun as potential ability to score thirty plus points and he can do that pretty quickly and pretty much these so that's kind of the way he looks the way he can play so Are expected to sign backbone. Mariana rich and he averaged twelve points and eight rebounds. Four playoff games against the clippers. So that's kind of the way they've been looking at now. Look they have some options they can go to but the other Interesting obviously right. It's it's interesting how the spend kind broken down but dallas guys at the. I think they definitely have to look at and you know. But here's something a dallas county dallas needs. You know a good athletic center I think because. Pausing is not as senator and you know. I like bo on a lot of bo-bottle Twenty to twenty five minutes. Maybe a night because size. And he's mobile several five seven fives galileo. Will i wait. And he's not super mobile so that is a problem. There definitely need shooting to space. The court for luca. I think the big thing for them as they should bottle their team after the slovenian team. That's playing right now. Because you see that. Lucas play his best with that type of team a team. That can space. The court have athletic big rolling in the basket who committee post up scored out Guy real basically. They need a big excellent fishing pick and roll and then they need three other shooters who can just make shots. No problem right. Porzingas could be that guy. I think poisoning could be guy guys an athlete. They can roll finishes well but unfortunately porzingas. They've lost a lot of top lost. Locked office team lost confidence into the playoffs. So that kind of translate into a lot lot some knock great things for them and that was the unfortunate reality but that was the that was kind of the way that they play the data itself. That is a big thing without team. Obviously now also we. Have you know the whole idea of basically. You're you're trying to build this team around lou dodge right and lucas very ball down right so you may be potentially backup point guard to spell minutes or you won't have anything guard can be able to have the ball. So lucas not have the ball in his hands. Consistently all the time i liked with jalen brunson provide last year at the backup. Point guard position but dallas qadhafi upgrade in that position. A little bit because of the facts that you want the blinds lucas hands more or you can get another guy starting lap who maybe can sense. Provide a more of a creator role right so i was thinking expensive. Dim might be able to fit that right or What he's the guy off the top. My head i think of but so dallas guy needs guys. They need three point shooter and they need a big really finish. While the pick and roll rebounded a high level provides him athleticism. Rather be able to block shots and then they need a guard that can spell. Lucas admitted to create not just for themselves but for others on that team as well so that. That's a big thing. That obviously i'm looking at two. I'm looking at this team going forward right. That's that's a big thing. I look at an a big thing. I contemplate when i look at dallas because dallas has too much of a reliance in my opinion on what lucas can do. I think that in a sense really hinders them to an extent. I think that they have great potential right but they can't have such a high reliance on luca do everything that they expect to win. It doesn't win the nba. You saw with james harden right abroad. James him gets guys involved with lebron. James has played with stars for alive as career when he's one right every nba. Team though. Brian james has one had another all-star and his team right porzingas has been an all-star but porzingas not consistently healthy. He's now is consistently playing physical points whose capabilities he doesn't play inside that much so that that is a problem when i'm looking at this team generally right so that is something i look and say that could be a major problem for them. Right if porzingas more side right you might have to get a big. That's a little bit more versatile athletic so that is one of the issues. I looked at with this team and say how are they going to be able to do that. But now it's all up to that point pretty much but we'll see what happens without being sad right. We're looking at incense we have to look at. Who are the potential guys that they can get right kyle. Lowry looks like he's going to go. The miami heat. I think he would have been a good fit. Spencer dinwiddie will would be a good fit for dallas. I think that's one guy that deficit target some people think kelly oubre would be a good fit and they said he's versatile offender. He's a guy that at least can rebound But you can get the basket. He is athletic. He's not a great three point series. Only thirty two point six percent for his career. But he's a guy that can be like a fourth scoring option or thirds touring option on looking to content. So but that's really that doesn't make a lot of sense. Based on the fact that they have tim hardaway junior. So they really don't really. I'm not sure about that. One but reggie jackson might be a good fit for them especially as the two guards slot can take the ball of lucas hands. As you can tell the playoffs he can really create. And he's a guy that in the playoffs was averaging gain twenty points a game though problem and he's a guy that can shoot three really well. He shot forty one. Point five percent from downtown against the mavericks. He has almost eighteen points. A game that series and he also during the postseason was forty eight point. Four percent for the feels. Seventeen point eight points a game and he's a guy that has shot three nine point three percent the last two seasons on eight hundred ninety eight three pointers so he tastes a lot of make saliva for dallas. Right you gotta get the guard that can help luka not be so ball dominant right but do you have a guy that can play off the ball. Shoot it. Reggie jackson. I think would be an excellent fit for the dallas mavericks in that area. Because you know he's thirty one he's a guy that you could tell can play. He look he can crazy own shot. No problem he's a guy that you know has played well in the playoffs right as he proved this year so that is something that i think people should look into right. Reggie jackson could be a really good fit because even better fit. I think than spencer. Dim what because reggie jackson has just proven and came goodyear. He's not coming off any sort of injury and he was fit with luke. I think very very well that that's another good. Unless the clippers ops asylum guy would be like well barred right. If he hasn't resigned right wilburns a guy who's play athletic. He's this guy hair miss but he. He's a guy that can do that. Scorn bundy's he's Shock creator but again. He's a guy that you probably will replace for tim. Hardaway junior so. I don't really see that being the fit. Really you know they could make a push but unfortunately executive guan we'll be going somewhere else but They could get gored. Drudge going I'm a big fan of that one. Because he's a little old So that's the way. I look at it But as of right now the right now it looks like he prefers the trade to dallas He would be a good he would be a good fit there. I think that his age might be a problem because he is like thirty five or thirty six in the moment. So that is something that could be an issue. But he was fifth grade with luca. 'cause he look at play together they fit jers games. Well you could start bring off the bench. It wouldn't really matter he's guy. A deathly is an upgrade over. Jalen brunson i think. And you know he's again. He's a good three point shooter create zone shine crate for others and he does provide a again a chance for luca to take arrested not be have the basketball is hands so much either late in the game either. The first half. Is you want lucas fresh as possible in these in his gains especially when he gets the playoffs because that was a big issue with last year as luca was having the bars he has a little too much in that resulted in things not necessarily going dallas way where they needed to so that is another area they could go to and that it looks like that. Hey prefers a trade to go there. So that that might be an interesting move to they. Gospel get a gallic. Dan shooter if they were to get rid of They could look at them. I think that sure is a bit of a risk. I know he ariz- fifteen point. Four points a game. But and what i say. The playoffs were contributed the fact that he did have co video. Indicate cova complications. He did he did. Put up acoustic and play terrible at majoria games in the playoffs. So y he just. He is still wildly inconsistent. Doesn't she didn't officially percentage so he could be a good with luca but again he's a guy that will be taken away the ball from luga lucas. The point that team so you have probably dash off the bench. I think that'd be a better fit but he. He could be a good fix he. He does provide offense. We'll pass the ball. Score is quick off the balance and you know. He doesn't allow confidence. He has been in multiple playoff moments too. So you know that that is a good fit. That could be a decent fifth. But he's not a great shooter and mostly danny green right denigrates free as you know that that that could be potentially a great move for dallas Why because he's a guys experience. He does defend he has won championships in is a three point shooter right. He can provide a lot of spacing for luca when he drives to the rim to. And he's been he's been a valuable player reveries bent so that that's important obviously understand here. He has been a valuable player on teens. Toronto san antonio the way waiters right. This guy's one and he's a good three point shooter right. He has his moments race to resolve to streaky. but he can hit threes and he's been alive moments before he's had come up big and he's had some big games the playoffs so he could be a good fit. Just because of the four spacing angle that you guys are nichols platoon because nicholas batumi could be a guy who can play multiple positions for you. Ready to go small. He can shoot a three. You can defend multiple positions and especially because dallas is not was twenty first in defensive efficiency. Right have to mention that. That's another thing. They need to work on defense. Right you could bring in a guy who's versatile wing defender right navy You'd be an upgrade over door. Vinnie smith i think defensive error because he can garble positions. I think a little bit better older. He does you know he did a good job. Defensively on the joy Chris paul your guys like guy gore vocal abroad. He didn't switch input on a center. You know he's very versatile is a guy who's also been through the nba. A lot against a veteran presence who can hit the three gets the race athletic. And you know he still has a live game left in for For teams that definitely bring to bring in value. Norm powell could be another guy can look into right. He's guy chef forty three point two percent in three And he's a guy that also is explosive in in transition. He doesn't take a really good shot selection. He's twenty eight though and he's very athletic. He could be guys face. The court has crazy. Shot a little bit raising our guy that you know you can play fast through. Take the give. Luca breaks here and there and again score the ball right. He has no prompt when the the ball basket but he isn't a great again. Dallas needs defense as well as office. And like i said before it's spencer dim when he could be a good fit as well because he's a guy that can get guys involved. He's very good in the clutch right. He's a guy like indefinitely spell minutes of luke gun. He could play like the to guard and be excellent at that. And you know that could really help dallas as well because again. He's he's an injury but again he's the guy that when healthy can do a lot of really good things and then the guy that i looked at it like rishaad homes right regime. Homes can provide a lot of value because he's really good remembering the rainy blocked shots rebounds and he had a really good year with the kings this year. So that's gonna get so who are the best prospects will get. I'd say probably reggie jackson. I would say dinwiddie. And i would probably say look. They're get goran dragic. Which i think will help. But they're really looking to try and make a difference. I would say definitely like big rashawn homes. Best guy that bribes you get reggie jackson then he i think he's a guy that's at least risky of them. The fits a need and also proven really. Well the playoffs. Which i think is super keiazi when trying to develop a team for the future right so those are important things seen note and analyze when looking at this guy staff but yeah. That's the way i look at right. There's of big attraction with a guy like reggie jackson for this team. I think he can really help this team move in the right direction. So let's get and reggie jackson and they have a chance it definitely definitely can go the first round You definitely do that. And if they continue developing poisoning Developed this team eventually be a championship contending team but porzingas needs to be better or they have to find someone that's gonna be better and they need to get some better gorge rogic in free agency right. That's the only way. I think they can relate content. They gag guy like reggie jackson or spencer. dinwiddie right or You know maybe. Try to push reduction robinson. I don't know but they needed to get guys are gonna fit their team best right. That's kind of the way i look at it. So that's kind of my piece on that. That's how i see. The dallas mavericks potential being very successful team and how they can get not championship picture. Where's it commercial break here. But when i come back. We'll be talking about jonathan kamenga moses me a little bit to the warriors generally overall and how those guys fit within with the warriors can do all that coming back up when we return. This is your ultimate stop for everything. Sports the golden state media concepts sports podcast. Should i say more from the nfl mlb. The nba mma. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen doc welcome back to the gsm see basketball. Podcast brought to you by the podcast network. I'm your host michael shredder. Thank you guys again for tuning into this podcast episode. Today i appreciate your support. I hope you guys continue to support. This program continued to listen to the recent episodes that we've had out and definitely listen to the other hosts they do a great job they provide live bass insight as well and should definitely check them out as well because the more support you give us the better it will be for all of us because we all like to have people listening to us. Obviously this this action packed. I'll be the first. One watt really. Good story lives for me to uncover talk to you guys about and i talked about a few different things. This segment about the talk guys. Right now about is going to be focusing on johnson kamenga and moses moody and their fit with the warriors and how they can you know help the warriors out in what they can provide. But i'm not against that quite yet. I'm talking about the other segments. That you guys may have missed a need to check out before you listen to this segment because it's better to start from the beginning rather than star from the end and the first segment i talked about was the problem most relevant and most exciting topic i would say and that was russell. Westbrook going through the los angeles lakers. Y are not really as sure about this. Move working for the lakers in terms of them getting into a championship team. There are still probably contender. But i don't think they're gonna win the files of westbrook and i talked all about that. You know what he brings. What the lakers needed how he can fit. You know wild to me. I think it won't be a great fit. All kinds gets grouped into the in that first segment and you can check that one out because well it was a major blockbuster trade that happened so far in the nba. Free and say. And you don't want to miss any of my opinions on that. Because i have some definitely some good insight opinions to give you guys. They're my second segment. That talked about kyle lowry right now. Looks like he's gonna go the miami heat and the you know what the miami he has done. The last two years of broke down. What kyle lowry is player. What he brings to that team how they impacts them wildsmith still see them as a team. That could potentially only get the second round of eastern conference playoffs with kyle lowry and that got broken down for you guys to listen to and i encourage you to check that out because it's another exciting deal. It's probably going to happen in kyle. Lowry has been a big name. In the free agency market the third segment i talked about was the dallas mavericks so talked about what they needed. Free agency right now. Looks like they have potential may be trying to get goran dragic to their team. But i talked about potential guys. I think really could help benefit their team for a for the future. What they really need. How how Certain guys should look at it. And why i think. Spencer dinwiddie and reggie jackson the two best prospects for them. If you want to hear why think that go check that segment out. I encourage you guys to listen to those segments before you even get started listening to this one now. All that behind this we're gonna be talking about some nba drafts material. And specifically. I talked about this one of the key guys in this whole second on talking about and that's johnson can manga talk about why he's risking. Why he also could be very good in the nba given the right team. He's on and how he's developed and he got drafted seventh by the warriors and most moody got drafted fourteenth by the warriors. So the warriors have you know good assets. I think the future they have guys who have major potential have shown flashes of really good play during their time in college or the g. league and warriors definitely trying to build for the future while also being stuck to the president a sense rather gang klay thompson back. We'll see what he's like. Everyone's expecting klay thompson to come back and be this unreal. Twenty two point game guy. It may take him sometimes get there. He may be that guy he may not be right. Can't assume things in terms of just coming off in achilles annan acl tear. We'll see how that ultra spars. But i mean. I'm rooting for him. I hope he is the same player that he that he was or near that Before the injury but the warriors drafted pretty well right at the center of the fourteenth picked and they drafted very well. I think you know jane. Johnson can maintain getting most as moody. I think we're good fits right. And what's the warriors need. I think the warriors needs athletism. The warriors needed some more shooting. The warriors need some more playmaking other than needed some youth right. I think they just needed some defensive intensity. There are good offensive team. But i think they need some guys they can play health. Play a faster pace and primarily. I think that their offense needs a lot more work. Their defense at you last year was very very good. Andrew wiggins proved to be a very good defender draymond green. You know anderson the kvant looney Provides good minutes defensively. You know these guys. You know health defensively for this team and they. They did provide good minutes so that that that needs to be obviously accounted when we're looking at this And that is something that i looked at insensitive but they really need to because they played it. One of the slowest pace is in the nba last year and they played a very fast pace when they were winning. All those championships. Everything like that so getting players in that can fit a faster. Pace wasn't adding they needed to do. I think they have at least gotten players that can do that so to start off with who they got. Jonathan can minka right as i said. Johnson kamenga provides good minutes. He provides you know. Definitely some stuff that you can look at and say okay this guy Can be something. He's a guy that unfortunately has his. You know we The warriors are hoping that he could be maybe like a yacht type guy. 'cause he's so athletic he's really strong. He has glimpses of being especially the open core. Maybe he can be really unstoppable. And why is that important right. Why is that important. Well because having a guy that could be such a threaten the open court like for example. Right the lakers have russell westbrook right that allows the player faster pace and also helps take less pressure off of their star players. Like lebron james and anthony davis right. Because you have a guy who's taken go right there thinking that a guy john that can make can be that and i mean the one thing that he for flaws that he has which i'll get into a second how they can be corrected with this warriors team the biggest thing. He's so good at is just being able to dominate the open court get ba- guys on the court uses athletic muses speed strength. He's fantastic in the open court and that is something that you know. His finishing could be better. but he's a he was he. He's he's a locomotive. He's he's very difficult to stop. There's a reason why people think that he could be like a yacht type. Even though he's only six seven six eight but being able to have a guy that can do that you can just explode in transition can definitely benefit the warriors especially because they play at such a slow pace last year. which. I don't think that if it them very much. Our thing too is that you know he gave potentially be very good defender for these guys and you say wiggins a guy who is not always considered highly a great defender in minnesota turns actually a very good defender the warriors because steve kerr does emphasize defense seemed current is definitely demands accountability and demands team Team playing t-ball andrew wiggins bought into that ended a very good job. One is better seasons as a pro and and that was not just in the offensive. End the defensively. He did a lot of really good things as well. And that is something. That's definitely important going forward right so that is something that is obviously very important and that can be something that can bring to the table as well because because he's athletic. Here's potentially be a guy that can you know not just score in the in the open court not to take up the dribble and not just be able to play offensively but do athletism is strength. Is building move laterally. People think he can be a two way player in the warriors. Priests defense right. There are team has won multiple championships based on having a very defense being able to switch everything and that is something that you know. He could bring value to the team which can help them succeed right. So that is something that that they're definitely looking at a positive way and how they definitely benefit so that is something that is you know crucially important in that area But that that's one thing. I they can look at because if andrew wiggins can turn itself around a little bit and you'll become a guy that can we just winning play. Maybe john convenient can figure out you know. Hit play some defense at a high level as well and and and do that in a sense to so because you know he's got a lot of potential when you had the guy that athletic in that fluid with dislike movements around the court and being able to just be fluid with like just way he Gets up and down the court especially as a guy who made me play three or four. Even the to that that you can turn into a two way player if you have the right. Coaching and i think steve kerr guy like he's in. He's in a good system with a good culture. He could be that right. There's potentially he couldn't be that right. James wiser necessarily have a great first year with the warriors but he also had injuries and everything like that but he didn't show glimpses right. Maybe john that can make a can show some consistency with some good works. He definitely needs a live development but he also has the potential doing a lot of other really good things and that area too right. You want your prospects to pan out right so that that is something that's gonna be important especially because you know they they need you know. I think they're top draft picks to produce right because there are there are team. That deficit rely on more depth right. They're not you know. They're looking to free agency market right but they haven't landed anyone yet and there are teen. That's game you know. Be expected to do some good things. I think expected them to be a championship team. Right away is ridiculous splitting the western conference finals. We'll ridiculous because you have to. You have to see how klay thompson comes back right. if he's the klay thompson bold. I think quite tops. It'll be able to shoot. the three. Zero problem is defensively klay thompson great defender but you know having all those surgeries housing and the move laterally compared to before right that's important right klay thompson be able to at least ripping go by people into the basket. Well happy again. Maybe he will. 'cause i think he's been really rehabbing properly doing great things but i mean that is a valid concern right and again this is not me sliding klay thompson. I'm hoping that he is back to his full form. But there's always a chance that is right so that there needs to be accounted for. And that's john that can make it becomes so useful because maybe he can fit some roles defensively that allow tops just to play more on the offensive end instead so that that's an important point to bring up as well and the last was about two men go right is just that wild mingas wildly inefficient not He has been making strides in that supposedly. He's been shooting the ball better in terms of his workouts and stuff like that. And i think the warriors see that you know he has the potential to at least be able to be a dialect can hit a three decently. Maybe but he's a guy that can be very explosive out dribble. He needs to handle needs work on his feel for the game. He has a good staff in angolan said. That can help them do that. So if you know people are scared that maybe he won't be able to get through that. That niche and a sense to be able to develop that into that started people wanted to develop into he has he has a cape bill is being able to do that. I think he's gonna be in better shape than people think. Because i think he's in a better organization i think okay. See wildlife their new coach. You know. I think that development process. I don't know how good he would've gotten there You have played a lot. But i think the warriors like He's gonna be around not just Good coaches but veteran players been through the nba finals won championships. And also you know steph. Curry is one of the best players in the league. Gwen klay thompson is healthy. We are one schumer's Top twenty five fish player in the league right. So this is you know a good opportunity for him. He's definitely gated developing grow as a result of that too right. 'cause he's just gonna be around guys that look at help in terms of moses moody. I think both moody Values well as moses movies the guy that can create them shot muslim to shoot the ball. Pretty well too. I mean the good news is for for golden state. Has they have emotions. Mood is definitely more polished player for. Sure i think he's definitely more polished For sure because i think he brings is is a lot of Ability score right so he had sixteen point eight points. A game at arkansas fifty. Five point eight rebounds one point six assists three three point eight minutes a game a forty minute game. He had a fifty six point. Eight percent true. Shooting percentage and He's six six seven wingspan. And you know he could shoot the three really well. And he's got a higher lease and he can come off screens he can help you against some mid-range jumpers pull ups. He's a guy that at least you know you have the ability to bring him in as a role player score role and he's a guy you know like can't play fast as well as played at arkansas and their head coach liked to play fast in white to play uptempo. And i was that definitely Benefited him. I think the extent yet but i think the big thing too is that you know he also plays defense right so they got guys who have the potential to be good defenders in the nba. Right because the warriors yes they need offense needs. I think both these guys can fill that. I think that the big thing is they got guys who are gonna be still probably wanna buy into defense. Well most hit show that he's a solid defender. He can stay in florida guys and he does move well laterally he. Can you be able to guard positions. So that's important. That's definitely a key thing to pick up on as they're trying to you know. Look at these things too. But the big thing you know that he's going to work is he. Doesn't have a lot of creativity off the boundaries of war to dribble guy. If he can get it can tag heuer off clauses against the ripple do it. But he's not gonna come down with a bunch of different moves. So look that's what in the warriors. Let me get again when drafted you're not gonna be a polished project or prospects. Sorry right away all the time right. Some guys are getting ready to go right away at some guys are to need some development into get better right. Even you guys who come in. And they're in the right. They play while in the first year. Like look at dodd. Said she got better from your from your one from During his third year compared to his first year a lot better right and that's because of development from the coaching staff development based on what he sees from film reich is. There's a lot more attention to just basketball all the time and not just a school basketball dynamic right so that's a little bit different too. You know it's a job. It's very different right. It's very different but but the important thing is is that you know they got guys who definitely From y c wants to win and guys who are gonna be capable of scoring the ball right so people like glenn writes from mikhail resurrected tedious pope with with with most moody. I could see that. Because he's a guy that can maybe like a very good three d guy or like a guy that can be Attack closeouts and that So that's just how i look at it right. Know like three d. guys are so important today in today's nba. To have on the court right because against the star players in opportunity to find guys in the corner. You have relied upon defender that you can always have out there. Everything like that in a rolla relied upon four spacer especially in era the nba which is so keen on three-point shooting. That's the way you can look at it right. So that's something that's important. When they got to look at the fact of the warriors were not a great three-point shooting team and also not a very good offensive team in terms of offensive efficiency. To getting a guy that at least can help you in that area as well. so you're the warriors definitely you know. Did a good job you right. I think that they made awad very solid moves. And you bring in a guy like you know most moody can shoot the ball. Really well he. Can you create a little bit but not excessively you know you could be a very good three d guy in the week for you and you also look at the fact they brought in. Obviously you know maybe guys has potential to be. Maybe the best one bear in this in this class. And that's john kamenga but he's a project right. He's very raw not saying look. He has skill. but i'm saying he there's a lot of things is gain that definitely need to improve for that team to be up to their full potential. Obviously so i like him. I like their drafts. Actually i think what they're gonna use these guys for our going to benefit the team in the warriors in a positive way and that's