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CBS 11 NEWS PM UPDATE 09-17-20

CBS11 News Dallas/Fort Worth

02:07 min | 4 months ago

CBS 11 NEWS PM UPDATE 09-17-20

"Thanks for joining US tonight. I'm Doug Barton latest headlines Tonight, the one of the leading candidates in the race for Kobe vaccine released a progress report. Today that we share with you. Madonna says that they have enrolled more than twenty five, thousand people for their stage. Three trial of their vaccine should reach their goal of thirty thousand participants they say probably in. The next few weeks the company says though initial analysis of the data is not going to be ready until December, and even then there might not be enough information to go ahead and seek FDA approval. MADERNA's says it is more likely that they'll be able to determine the vaccine's safety and effectiveness by March or May of next year on the other side. Top officers of the German Pharmaceutical Company Bion Tech says that the vaccine they are developing with Pfizer will be ready to submit for approval by early. November. They say one hundred million doses will be distributed in the United, states in. Europe. By the end of the year, if that vaccine wins approval and leaders of the nation's top airlines were at the white. House earlier this morning that included Doug Parker Guy who runs American Airlines Gary Kelly he runs southwest. They were all there lobbying officials to come together with Congress to pass another corona virus relief package including money for the airline industry tens of thousands of airline employees, face furloughs or layoffs when the first round obeyed officially will expire at the end of this month. Just, a week after Microsoft debuted its new xbox. Is Out, with its station five and like their competitor ps five has two versions. You get the more expensive one. That's got the BLU. Ray drives. You can put a disk in there and have your game from that or one. That's one hundred bucks less. But you have to solely digital download and game play. Sony said the pre orders were supposed to start today but retailers like Walmart and target game stop kind of jumped the gun yesterday and they have already sold out. That's the latest tonight from CBS eleven. We are the ones for Texas.

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How the Grounded Boeing Jet Shook the Airline Industry

The Journal.

15:03 min | 1 year ago

How the Grounded Boeing Jet Shook the Airline Industry

"This episode of the Journal is brought to you by linked in jobs linked in screens candidates for both hard and soft skills. Things like collaboration creativity and and adaptability for fifty dollars off your first job post go to Lincoln Dot Com slash the journal terms and conditions apply After two Boeing seven thirty-seven Max airplanes crashed and killed three hundred. Forty six people. The entire fleet of Max plans was grounded last year and those planes have sat on the ground ever since regulators have been working for months months to figure out what went wrong and to make sure the planes are safe enough to fly again. And while that's happening airlines have had to figure out how to operate without the seven thirty seven Max. The entire seven thirty. Seven fleet has been grounded American united and southwest of each canceled hundreds of daily flights. The airlines are scrambling Ebola to re-accommodate passengers by offering other flights on other aircraft. That may not be desirable. These disruptions have cost billions of dollars. And now airlines are making Boeing pay today on the show. How the grounding of the seven thirty seven Max has up ended the biggest airline in the US American Airlines welcome to the Journal our show about money Business Empower I'm Ryan Consent and I'm caitlyn bought. It's Friday January seventeenth last March. A seven thirty seven Max crashed in Ethiopia killing one hundred fifty seven people and shocking the world Regulators started grounding the plane and within days. The Max was completely out of the air. Boeing began working with authorities to figure out what happened and airlines also had to reckon with the fallout American airline CEO. Doug Parker said the company was ready to work closely with Boeing to get the planes back in the air. Your is your tragic events And what we care about is safety and we will work together as this industry always does to ensure that safety. He's number one focus. But at the same time American Airlines and other carriers needed to figure out how to cope with grounding of the Max while still operating their businesses Mrs it was really something of a scramble for them to figure out what to do. Reporter Alley cider covers the aviation industry industry. They looked at what would be the least disruptive way to cut flights the Max mostly flew between the New York area and Miami. You you know that's where most of the Max's were being used. Obviously Kansas stop flying between the Florida so they had to kind of spread it out and look at their network and look okay. We're flights that we we have multiple frequencies a day where we could cut one. So we're not just ending travel between two cities trimming a couple of frequencies looked at long haul flights where you can cancel one long haul flight instead of a bunch of short flights where you've suddenly inconvenienced a lot of people. At the time of the grounding. You had people who were already scheduled to travel in. Their plans. Had to be sort of offended at the last minute you know. We talked to passengers who were sort of already on vacation. And then they get a call from their airline airline that says actually your flight home has been cancelled. Then we've re booked you and maybe on a flight that's not on the day. He wanted to travel or has a stopover when he wanted to direct act. Can you tell me what all of this flight rescheduling looked like so most of the stuff they do software. A lot of it is automated. And they're still using using that software you know they're not just like using crayons and colored pencils on a big map of the US or the world but there is a lot of thoughts and analysis and expertise expertise that has to go into figuring out. What's the best way or the least inconvenient way to basically redraw so I spoke to Vasu Raja? He works the network planning at American Airlines. And from what you told me there is a lot of late nights like imagining correctly. Like people at the office office really laid and lots of empty pizza boxes and he said yeah pretty much and all. This scrambling wasn't just causing headaches and late nights for the planning team. Once they make a decision about their network is sort of ripples throughout the company there's people on Revenue Management hoped to decide what the availability should be in making sure to keep some mhm seats open so anyone. Who's Max flight got canceled? You know has the place to go. You know they tell everyone. Don't worry you'll get an email if your schedule has been changed but if you're worried about your vacation you're definitely going to call so they have to staff up on customer service and make sure there are people there to answer those calls and explain the situation so it really is this huge logistical challenge talents. That kind of ripples throughout the airline at the time I think there was a sense that could be pretty temporary but that delay would not be temporary as the Federal Aviation Administration investigated. Boeing's Max Fleet. They uncovered more and more safety concerns. I think what initially seem to some some people like it would be a pretty straightforward fixed. That could be done. Relatively quickly started to just take longer and longer as new issues were discovered and just amid a heightened scrutiny by the FAA but also regulators all over the world. You know bullying was saying it was going to provide all this information to regulators to take a look at and that kind of kept getting pushed back again and again and you know the process just kind of kept getting delayed over and over again regulators flagged problems with pilot training emergency safety st procedures and some of the planes software and as the safety inquiry stretched. On for months Boeing's estimate on the Max would return to service kept moving back I Boeing pushed it into the summer of twenty nineteen and then bowing pushed back again until the end of the year. With each month that the Max's return was delayed. American Airlines had to go into scramble mode all over again canceling more flights. They're kind of just on the receiving and here you know all they can do is wait for Boeing and the FAA to work out the process. And there's really not a lot they can do to speed things along and airlines have to make decisions decisions about the Max you know way before they really having clarity about what's going on with the Max. They have to decide over two months like seventy days before her their schedule. That's when they really have to finalize things so they can get their flight attendants in their pilots scheduled beyond that point just gets harder and harder to make changes. So you know. They've had to kind of looking to the future and think. How likely is it that the Max is going to be back? And allie says the ongoing wing uncertainty put Americans growth plans on hold. It wasn't flying the twenty four Max planes. It had and it wouldn't be getting the sixteen more it had ordered for the rest of the year. American patients with Boeing was wearing thin. The airlines have gotten pretty frustrated with the number of delays that they've seen You know I don't want to suggest that they want to rush the process along but I think you know they're just unhappy with the way. Expectations have been managed. And just how long this has gone on. Those mismanaged edged expectations were costing American and it wanted bowing to pay. That's after the break in this episode of the Journal is brought to you by Lincoln jobs. If your New Year's resolutions include growing your business linked in can help Lincoln's symptons Greens candidates for both hard and soft skills. Things like collaboration creativity. Adaptability Lincoln looks beyond the work skills to connect you with the people you want to to hire people with the qualifications. Who can help your business grow? Visit Lincoln Dot Com slash the Journal for fifty dollars off your first job post. That's linked dot com slash the journal terms and conditions apply. Welcome back by the fall. Delays in the safety assessment of the seven thirty seven MACs were piling up and American Airlines was juggling the fallout its pilots were upset because they we're losing money and peak. Holiday travel was on the horizon in an October investor. Call American CEO. Doug Parker expressed his aggravation with Boeing. They believe the F. B. certified in or quarter. It's probably best. It's that information is best case given what we've all seen. Ah over the over the course of this process so we're prostrate bullying American have been in touch throughout the year. You know American American and other airlines have made it clear that they don't believe they should be on the hook financially for this That they're expecting bowing to make them whole James extended grounding her customers or members enter. Cheryl's we're working to ensure that Boeing shareholders bear the cost of Boeing's failures not American Airlines American Airlines basically said they believed the grounding would result in a five hundred and forty million dollar reduction their full year or twenty nineteen and profits. So that's pretty significant and it's like a big step up from what they thought originally like in the first effort their first quarter earnings. They were predicting a three hundred. Fifty million dollar impact so it's been much more expensive than they were anticipating on. That call Parker said that American was in talks with Boeing about compensating. The airline for about five hundred forty million dollar hit and last week. American said it reached a settlement with Boeing for an undisclosed amount but that deal just applies applies to two thousand nineteen and the Max grounding is still ongoing meaning American Airlines is facing more costs twenty twenty. Where does this leave? American Airlines going into twenty twenty so going into two thousand twenty American Airlines has said that getting the Max flying again. It's sort of one of the biggest I think it needs to do to get on track. American is currently planning for the Max to return by June more than a year after the initial grounding but even even if the Max is clear to fly all the headaches and additional costs for American will be far from over for one thing. It'll take weeks of maintenance to get the planes ready to fly I again after they sat on the ground for more than a year. And then there's the issue of flight simulator training. I think the biggest thing in terms of time and money is that recently. It's starting to become more and more likely it sounds stats pilots. Who need to go through some kind of training before? They're allowed to fly the Mexican. Why would it pose such a high cost for American Airlines pilots would need to go through this training so first of all it was unexpected? It's not really budgeted time time for a simulator. It's just in one place so all the pilots have to come from wherever they're based all around the country and spend time in it. Can you describe bribe. What a flight simulator is like? What does it look like? They kind of look like Like in Star Wars those like like robots on skinny long legs that kind of what are they called At yeah that's sort of what they look like. Yeah Yeah I just googled it to me. That's what they look like. I'M GONNA get a lot of trouble with like a lot of people who are really knowledgeable trouble about aviation. Who aren't going to be like? No that's not what they look like so like a full motion flight simulator. They're sophisticated piece of equipment and they're very expensive and the process of getting everyone to wear the simulator is and scheduling them all for time in the simulator. You know it's just a big another logistical challenge. You know after a year. That's been full of challenges. Do you have a sense. That American Airlines is okay with some of this this delay because it's so much needs the restoration of customer confidence. I do think that safety is the highest priority for the airlines. Sort sort of making sure that everyone is confident in the plane is their top priority so they are planning to do a lot you know. There will likely be a period between when regulators liters allowed the plane to fly again and when it enters commercial service. And they're planning to sort of do as much as they can to put people's minds at ease to have lots of demonstration flights with executives executives and and probably media to sort of just get people use the idea of seeing the Max you know flying around in the air Hopefully without incident American is far from Malone in all of these disruptions to its business other major. US carriers like southwestern united also. Have Max jets. That are still grounded. In a statement. Eight -ment Boeing says it is working with regulators to safely. Return the Max to service and that quote we regret disruption to schedules this is causing our airline customers and the travelling public. Could there ever be a point where these airlines. Just give up on the Max. I think that's really hard to imagine you know. It's such a huge financial investment that they've made in these planes. There's such a huge part of their plans. Then there's really no way airlines just pivot and by different plane. And you can't just drop your Max Order and switch Airbus which is going biggest rival and get one tomorrow very slow several years long process. So Ah you know I think airlines really do want to get the Max flying again really are counting on being able to fly it again and I think they're all kind of very nervously eyeing next summer. You know the idea of two summers without you know without their newest most fuel efficient planes that they were all kind of really counting on for growth I think is the troubling one for them. They just today Boeing said it found a new problem in the Max Software. One that sources say could once again delay its return. And that's all for today. Friday January seventeenth The Journal is a CO production of Gimblett and the Wall Street Journal. Your hosts are me Ryan Knutson and Kate. Limbaugh were produced by Anti Munaf. Ricky Novitsky Sarah Platt Will Aruban and Rob Sipko. Our senior producer is PIA. God Cari any row. stressor is our supervising producer Griffin Tanner. Winter is our engineer. Our executive producer is Gerard call. Our theme music is by so widely additional music from Bobby Lord Peter Leonard so widely billy libby and blue dot sessions thanks listener. We're off on Monday for Martin. Luther King Day. See you on Tuesday.

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NPR News: 03-27-2020 6PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 10 months ago

NPR News: 03-27-2020 6PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jack Speer. President trump has signed the two trillion dollar. Rescue package passed earlier today by the House of Representatives is NPR's Hammer Keith. Explains it contains a range of economic supports for individuals and businesses affected by efforts to fight the corona virus joined by Congressional Republicans for the Oval Office signing ceremony. President trump offered praise for lawmakers from both sides of the Aisle Republicans and Democrats for coming together setting aside their differences and putting America I. It expands unemployment benefits to GIG. Economy workers increases the size of unemployment payments since checks to most Americans and it also includes a lot of support for businesses affected by shutdowns and slowdowns brought on by social distancing measures first of all businesses strong and our big businesses strong. And that's keeping our country strong and our jobs many are describing this not as a bailout or stimulus package but simply a rescue meant to keep the economy from completely unraveling Tamra Keith. Npr News Navy is being hard hit by the corona virus crisis. So hard in fact it has been forced to sideline a symbol of American seapower. The aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt is now docked in Guam after being hit by a wave of corona virus cases following a port visit in Vietnam. The carrier has a crew of more than five thousand sailors and Marines. At least two dozen of tested positive for the virus setback maybe short lived but highlights the Navy's vulnerability to global disease. President trump has ordered G. M. to comply with a government call for ventilators that's in response to the corona virus outbreak impairs Asia Roscoe reports. It is trump's first major USA authority under the Defense Production Act. President Trump says the need to respond to the viruses to urgent to allow normal contract negotiations to go forward. The Defense Production Act allows the president to direct the production and distribution of items deemed. Essential to national defense until now trumpet said he did not need to exert that authority and he praised. Jim and other private companies for stepping up on their own to help with the corona virus. Gm had partnered with another company. Fintech to begin making ventilators but the contract process was ongoing. Gm said in a statement that the companies have been working around the clock to meet this urgent need and that their commitment has never wavered Aisha roscoe NPR news which ribbing service has its continuing its AAA sovereign rating for US de. Disservice did say there are risks to it amid the crow virus pandemic fix said high fiscal deficits and debt which are already rising as a result of the economic impact of the grown. Enviro pandemic are starting to affect. Us credit strength which includes the dollar and financing flexibility on Wall Street? Stocks gained ground after a three day rally. The Dow dropped nine hundred and fifteen. Points the Nasdaq was down. Two hundred ninety five points this is. Npr Italy had nearly a thousand corona virus deaths in the past twenty four hours a record since the outbreak began their and bears owner beardsley reports. That France has been put on two more weeks of lockdown as the situation continues to worsen across Europe. Italy now has the highest number of deaths from Cova nineteen with more than nine thousand as Italian shelter inside. A striking image has emerged. Pope Francis praying in the middle of empty Saint Peter's Square and Vatican City in France. Where church bells ring at seven thirty every night? The Prime Minister announced that people must stay inside for two more weeks. Eduard Philippe said France is only at the beginning of the epidemic wave an extremely high surges coming in the next few days. Spain has the second highest mortality rate. Was nearly five thousand dead. Eleanor Beardsley. Npr News Paris. Southwest CEO Gerry. Kelly says the airline is using losing big money on every single flight has traveled continues to slump. Our airline execs were also expressing some optimism about fifty billion dollars in grants and loans set aside for passenger airlines as part of the massive rescue package approved today while some terms of the deal aren't yet clear. American airline CEO. Doug Parker believes the carriers eligible for about twelve billion of that amount. Where we're both Kellyanne. Parker did not rule out possible furloughs layoffs through the fall critical futures prices continued their downward slump. Oil ended the session down a dollar in nine cents a barrel to close at twenty one fifty one a barrel of the New York Mercantile Exchange. I'm Jack Speer. Npr News in Washington.

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Teriyaki Tongue

Armstrong & Getty

37:34 min | 7 months ago

Teriyaki Tongue

"Armstrong and getty. Ready. Food and Jackass radio an introduction that was holy God. Does it better. We don't want another incident here. Such a bizarre. Apologize for that. He. Armstrong and getty. Strong and getting. We're on vacation, but we needed somebody and let you know what's going on in this crazy world. We've chosen the fabulous John. Phillips will be back on Monday John Take it away. And Armstrong and Getty speak the truth that he's I John Phillips in for the dynamic duo. They're on vacation this week. I'm on loan from Talk Radio. Seven hundred. Ninety KABC in Los Angeles where, you can hear me each weekday from noon to three on am seven ninety KABC or worldwide at KABC. Dot Com. Also a columnist for the southern California News Group, so that means you can read my column and the La Daily News, the OC register the riverside percent, a prize and most importantly. redlands daily facts. Now I don't know where Armstrong and getty or vacationing right now, but I can tell you where they aren't. They aren't on a cruise ship. Because the cruise ships are dry docked. They're not allowed to operate speaking of which by the way we're going to check in with Doug. Parker from crews radio dot net later on this hour to find out just exactly what you can do on vacation in this wild covert world. They're not in Hawaii because the Hawaiian islands are shut down for tourism, not really showing us the Aloha right now. Can't go to the United Kingdom netted kingdom said they don't want any tourists from the United States so no cross in the pond there. The European Union also has said that they don't want American tourists this summer, so you can't go to Sweden can't go to Germany. Can't get your potato pancakes. Can't get your apple strudel. Friend of mine has a problem when anyone says it's American as Apple Pie. Apple Pies Not American it's German. Foods that are indigenous to the United States and the Thanksgiving Turkey and chicken chow main. But, you can't there the State Department, says they don't want US traveling international at all, so that means even if you WANNA to go down to Rosa Rita. Beach or get on on Alaska Airlines plane and go to Porto viata. You're not supposed to do that. We have certain states that are shut down. So if you go there, there's not really a whole lot you can do. That includes the Florida keys. Can't go to CAPE COD in Massachusetts. You, certainly don't want any part of New York City right now. So we're very limited in terms of where we can go on vacation this year. A lot of people I talked to. They're doing stations. And I can't do that. I'm sorry. There's just no way that's going to happen. I've been stuck inside my house for months now sitting here on my couch, watching reruns a judge, Judy. Everything Netflix's has to offer. Got So bored on Hulu I ended up watching that Hillary documentary. That's how you know how extreme the boredom was for me. I gotTA. Get Out of the House. So, even if I stick around, I gotta go out. I gotTa do something. And here in California Warden Newsom. Hasn't given us many options in terms of what we can do. Pro Sports is out can't go down to Angel Stadium and watch the angels play. Excuse me, let me. Change that there's one word in that sentence that needs to be changed can't go down Angel Stadium and watch the angels lose. That's not possible. For a long time, we couldn't go to the B.J. the beaches were closed down and yesterday. We learned in Los Angeles County. The beaches are going to be shut down for the entire fourth of July weekend. And typically what happens is one county makes a move. All of the other counties fall in line. Because they fear if they don't ward, newsome is going to step up and forcibly shut them down. With one of his edicts that usually don't involve a lot of detail. So they don't necessarily even know what they're supposed to do. When! Sacramento tells them to do something so they figure all right. If it's going to happen anyway, we might as well do it, so we could understand the ordinance. We can understand the the edict, so counties then fall in line and try to read warden newsome's mind. Couple of days ago over the weekend we learned that bars in many counties in California are shutting down. So if you suddenly decided all right I've been stuck inside my house. I'm going out and enjoying a cold one at my local tavern. Well I. Hope you enjoyed the beer while it lasted. Because in many counties in California, the bars are shutdown shutdown. He came out with a list of counties that had to be mandated to be shut down including the most populated county in the entire state of California Los Angeles, but it wasn't just the way it was Kern county to Larry. County Kings County. Imperial County close close close close close close close. And then they recommended that any number of other counties including Sacramento Riverside San Bernardino that they closed down their bars, too. And, it was recently announced that the county I'm in right now. Riverside County will be closing down there bars. Shall warden news is not only are warden. He's apparently also our sponsor. Had I, known I would spend this much time outside of the bar scene. I would assume I'd also be going to meetings. But no, no meetings just to governor. That's telling us what to do. And I'll tell you when he got the green light to do all of this. He got the green, light. When the governors of Florida and Texas decided to cave on their bars. Those governors were at the forefront of the open up your state movement. Texas, while they closed down, initially was open for business long before. Many of the Big Blue States same thing with Florida and boy did those governors takes slings and arrows. They got beat up all over the papers. You Watch CNN MSNBC CBS ABC NBC. PBS and you'd think that these guys had killed more people than the golden state killer. Like, they couldn't wait to just kill off their populations. They were saying horrible things about them. And they just dug in their heels and said we are not destroying our economy to make Dr Fauci happy. We are not destroying our economy, so we get better press. We're not going to do that. Because if you really of the press to love you matter how many people actually die, it matters whether or not you're doing what the talking heads wants you to do. Think about this. No state in the union has experienced more covert nineteen related death the New York. And, who is the governor that gets the most praise from the national press as to how they handled the covid nineteen. Crisis Governor Andrew Cuomo, and he sent infected people to nursing homes, who then infected other people in those nursing homes, which caused a lot of people to get infected and many to die, and the news media doesn't care. To him or to them, he's the guy the kid that fell in the well. And he deserves nothing but praise, and any criticism of him is out of bounds. Ward newsome is another one who's been praised at nausea, and along with the mayor of San, Francisco London breed because they shut everything down very early on. And? That's exactly what the press wants people to do. But these governors of Texas in Florida. They went in the opposite direction. They're said they swim upstream. And after they did that. They're press was uniformly negative. And I worried that at a certain point they would buckle and give the papers what they wanted. And I talked to people in those states I said. What about this Abbot Guy Word about this shared this guy do they have backbones, steel or Jello? Sometimes these guys have backbones Linguini. They stand strong until they're in water. And then that's the end of it. They go limp. And as soon as they went on television. And said that they made a mistake by opening up the bars too soon, and they would be closing down the bars in Florida and Texas I knew it was over in California for the bars I just did. because. He gave every governor in the country. The license or those gentlemen gave everyone on the country, the license to shut down their bars because they themselves acknowledged that they made a huge mistake. And they were expecting praise I'm assuming. From the news media? And they got the opposite. It wasn't oh. They saw the air in their way, so they decided to shut down the bars and do would they think they need to do to keep their population? No, that's not what they said they said. These reckless guys play politics with the shutdown, and as a result, people got infected and died in their state. There clippings got worse as they should have known by now. So now, all of these blue state governors and Blue State Mares. They now have the ability to shut anything down, they want. Because, Hey, if Greg Abbott and Ron Disentis, did it. Then you can't accuse me of being county, and you can't accuse me of being authoritarian I'm doing the same thing as the governor of Texas and the Governor of Florida. Stuff your salaries in sack. I don't have to apologize to anyone. and. That's where we are. And I hope it's going to be limited to the bars and I hope it's going to be for a short period of time. But who knows it could be the gyms next? It could be the movie theaters. It could be the beaches statewide. It could be restaurants. We could go back to another shutdown in the state of California and other states throughout the union. Our economy can't handle that. I was talking to a bar owner here in Palm Springs California where I'm sitting right now. Who was forced by the State of California to shut down his business? And the State of California came to him when they decided that the bars were safe to reopen. And they said you can reopen, but. You have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on a new air filtration system that'll kill bacteria viruses. Whatever else is in the air? Perfume if people come in with too much perfume on, it'll just suck that right up. and. You have to pay for stickers to put all over the floor. So everyone knows where to stay on like one great big game twister. and. You have to put this plexiglas barrier all around the bar, so you're bartenders. Look like they're in a cage, so you go to the bar and you feel like you're at the zoo and you're looking at the Koala bears. As their sling and drinks. And you've got to pay for another person to come in and be the mask monitor to make sure that everyone's wearing their mask when they go to the bathroom. And while you're at it, make sure someone's there to make sure that everyone's social distancing six feet apart. and. This poor business owner jumped through every single one of these P.T. Barnum hopes that ward newsom put out. And after he did that and opened. His business was a shell of what it once was because people are scared to go out. And when people do go out, you have a lot of these. Karen's that exist that do nothing, but complain on social media I was at this bar, and I saw this couple that were in between courses, and they didn't put the mask back on. What are they trying to do? Give me the Rona. And it's just one after another attacking them on their facebook page attacking them on their yelp page attacking on that neighborhood website. That's just absolutely toxic. And then after enduring all of that. He gets a notice from the state of California that he has to shut down. How do we have any business left in the state? If you think all of these bars are going to reopen, and everything's GonNa be fine. You're crazy. Some of these bars are not going to reopen. Perhaps many. But this is the world we live in. We Open we close. We Open we close. We Open we close. And if our policy is going to be, we're going to get nervous and we're GonNa shut everything down the minute. Someone test positive. We're going to be left with nothing. I'm a huge baseball fan. I share season seats to the angels with friends. And people keep saying Oh, there's going to be an abbreviated baseball season Oh. Yeah, what's going to happen the first time someone test positive? First Time someone test positive. Everyone's going to be quarantined including the Green Monster. We can't let them play. They might infect the Ivy at Wrigley Field. And the crazy part is. If you look at WHO's getting infected right now. It's people in their twenties and thirties. This virus is mostly deadly to people who have co morbidity. He's who are also elderly so right now. The people who are getting it are largely going to be a symptomatic and not require hospitalization. But we're acting like we're at the peak of the pandemic. I feel sorry for all the small business owners out there. It is a rough time to be in business. It's John Phillips Inver, Armstrong and Getty. We've got a whole lot more coming up, don't. Armstrong and getty. Armstrong and Getty show? It's John Phillips in for Armstrong and Getty. We're going to check in with Doug. Parker from crews radio DOT net in just a couple of minutes to find out when the CDC is finally GonNa. Let cruise ships go back to operating. A lot of people who live in Los Angeles get on the cruise ships, and they go down to the Mexican Riviera. Maybe it's the three day booze cruise. Those bars are definitely always open. Those cruise ships are operating. I believe go out of San. Francisco and San Diego as well very big presence on the Pacific coast have some sad news to report to You TMZ is reporting that Carl Reiner, one of the most prolific entertainers in the history of show business has died. According to the entertainment news website Reiner died last night at his home in Beverly Hills. His family was with him when he passed away. He of course is most famous for the Dick. Van Dyke show. Where he appeared for many years I used to actually go to a restaurant Beverly Hills. Every so often. It was called or so in a sense, closed down and on Fridays Carl Reiner, Mel, Brooks, and a bunch of these other old time, Hollywood guys would sit there and have lunch in hold court, and it was always a fun time to see. Carl Reiner doors a recipe. Pearl live more coming up. Armstrong and getty were on vacation, but we needed. Somebody lets you know what's going on in this crazy world. We've chosen the fabulous. John Phillips will be back on Monday but John Takeaway. It's John Phillips in for a vacationing Armstrong and getty. At this time of day if you're on vacation, my guess is. There on the most number two. Maybe, the bloody Mary. And their sites. You can typically catch me on Talkradio seven ninety. KABC in Los. Angeles from noon to three weekdays, and if I'm not at work, you can usually catch me on a cruise ship because that's my favorite kind of vacation. Unfortunately I've had three cruises. Cancel with more on the horizon, because of no sale order issued by the CDC. They don't want the cruise ships operating. If you go back to the beginning of this pandemic. In the state of California where I live. The first real interaction that we had with it up close and personal, which went a princess cruise ship docked in Oakland with a bunch of passengers, who by the way we're all about nine hundred and fifty two years old. Give or take a year. Who came back testing positive for covid nineteen? So for a lot of people, they associate the cruise ship industry with Kovic Nineteen. It's like peanut, butter and Jelly and a lot of mines. Now. I would argue that's an unfair association. Because people can get Cova nineteen anywhere. You can get it at Walmart. You can get it at Costco you can get it at the airport. You can even contrary to what the public health experts tell you get it a protest at a funeral or a parade. The difference between the cruise ships, and these other venues is if you got it at Walmart, you probably also went to the dry cleaner and the gas station, and maybe you picked your kids up from daycare. You went to fifteen different places that day, so you don't know where you got it. If you get on a cruise ship, you know exactly where you got it. It, so people are blaming cruise ships as if they are somehow very closely associated with this virus, joining us to talk about this is the editor of crews radio dot net, which is an excellent website and podcast by the way for all things, cruise ship related Mr Doug Parker. Doug thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having me on John I appreciate it. Have the cruise ships gotten a fair shake from the CDC and the news media, or are they being unfairly blamed? I feel like you're being unfairly blamed. It's an unfair battle. Actually I can't tell if it's just them trying to teach the cruise lines a lesson for them, not being American flagged, or if it's something else that we just can't put our finger on. Maybe it's political. Who who really knows at this point? All we know is that cruise lines have submitted their protocols and they're still waiting for privilege. Haven't heard anything from the CDC at. And when they turned in their paperwork, the CDC said that would take them between three and six months to look at the paperwork, and I said to myself who's running the CDC the DMV. Thing, and now it's looking like for instance last week, Carnival Corporation. They took out another two billion dollar loan so. Two weeks ago when they had their earning statement, he had enough liquidity to last them through the end of the year, then taking out more funding whether it be to pay off additional debt or did they have come, do it kind of raises? raises in eyebrow of how long this is actually gonNA. How long have they want this to play out the CDC? That is or how long we're going to have to sit this out until we start sailing again. How long can the cruise ship? Companies remain solvent before they have to start filing for bankruptcy and I say that because there really is no end in sight. Nobody knows when the cruise ships are going to resume sailing. They say that theoretically they could do it starting on September the sixteenth, because that's when the the cruise ship association said they would pause until, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're actually going to begin on September sixteenth. They could be out the rest of the year. They could be out through the first quarter of next year. They could be out through the second quarter of next year. No one knows. Yes so like with Norwegian cruise line holdings during their earnings, call frank. Del Rio said that they have enough funding now with their private equity investors and their bonds and everything to take them through about a year out. Through the second quarter of twenty twenty one if they had to. Of course, we're hoping that doesn't happen, but then with carnival taking that additional funding, it's looking like it could be a little bit I. Don't think personally we're going to see September. Sixteenth or October I returned to sail. Date could be sitting out a little bit longer in my opinion. When you talk to people who are huge cruise ship, Aficionados and I know a bunch of them because they are very popular ways to spend your vacation. What are you hearing? Are they afraid of getting back on the cruise ship? Are they ready to go on vacation? It is a mixed bag I. Mean I think that the definitely the older demographic who? You could find on a ship. Sometimes they're retired and going once or twice a month. They're kind of waiting for the the vaccine or the miracle cure for this and other ones, the younger demographic probably fifty and under sixteen hundred. Maybe they're. They're ready to get back on board tomorrow. In fact, they would, but I think that maybe like there's this contradictory contradiction happening within the CDC. Right like we're hearing new guidance every other day it seems like. Do we wear a mask? Don't we were mask? So. It might be a good thing that. We're waiting this out for a little bit. I would imagine that the longer that this goes on the more people who were cruise ship. Fans are going to want to sail and I say that, because not just do they miss being on a cruise ship and going to those tropical destinations or in some cases. If they like going to Alaska not so tropical destinations, but you look at what's going on on land. The restaurants had been closed down now. The restaurants are opened at limited capacity. The casinos had been closed down now. The casinos are open at limited capacity. The swimming pools were closed down now. They're open up again. various theme parks are hoping to. Open up soon and resume their operations. You look at all of these aspects of what you see on a cruise ship, and the versions of them on land are all open for business and people say wait a minute if it's safe for me to go to a casino in Las Vegas or an Indian casino. Why is it not safe for me to go to a casino on a cruise ship if it's? It's safe for me to go to a restaurant on land. Why can't I go to the same steakhouse on the cruise ship? And once people say wait a minute every activity that I do on the cruise ship I can now do on land i. feel like it's safe for me to go sale again. Do think that the public is going to move in that direction as more things, open up on land. I think so I think it's just like the the lockdown thing right like after a certain wild people are going to do it just because they said they should do it for fifteen thirty however many days, but then you're just gonNa be like you know what you gotTa. You gotta live your life I mean it's it's. It's going to happen eventually I. Mean I guess what the theme park argument to is that and a lot of cruisers are saying this that. You could exit a theme park, but you can't exit a cruise ship. If something does happen where you know, they can hold you offshore and have another debacle I guess that's one argument that you know. The diehard cruisers are saying that are not sailing until we have a vaccine or something. One of the complications cruise ships also is that they have to go somewhere. And frequently they go to different countries. I think they have to. If they want to have a casino and they want to sell unlimited drink packages, and every different country has a different policy on what they're willing to accept what they're not willing to accept. A lot of the cruise ships go to the various islands in the Caribbean. One of those governments saying to those governments want the cruise ships to come back, and for tourists to start spending their dollars again or they perfectly happy without them. Oh, they've got the these islands are struggling I mean you look at Nassau Bahamas and their GDP I mean that's pretty much all tourism and they've actually implemented some protocols Where guests who are getting off the ship they might have to do a cruise line sanctioned excursion to get off, but it's the start, and they're working with the cruise lines I mean as well as Cosmo Mexico Grand Cayman is kinda pushing back until the end of the year, but every other island seems to be ready to welcome preuss horseback once it's safe to do so. In a lot of these islands to got leveled by various hurricanes, and so they had to spend a lot of whatever money that they had on rebuilding, so they were counting on these tourist dollars coming back to rebuild their economies. Yeah. I mean I was I was down in Saint Martin and Saint Thomas within the past few months, and they're still not completely rebuilt so this. This probably will set them back a little bit further when cruising resumes. What form of cruising do think we'll come back I. is it going to be the short hops in the Caribbean, or is it going to be something else? Yeah? I think we're GONNA. See a lot of cruise line. Private islands like we're GONNA. See At least here in Florida Royal Caribbean. Go into perfect day Norwegian go into great stirrup carnival. Going to you know half moon maybe some shorter, three or four night Mexican Riviera cruises out of southern California out there They're going to be a slow phase up right like. Like, you're not GonNa see just twenty six ships from carnival sailing at one time. They're to ramp it up slowly. More probably see those shorter three four. Maybe five night cruises I kind of test. The waters ramp from there. WHO's digging their heels? Who's going to be the last place that is going to allow cruise ships to to? Doc is going to be Canada. I would say Canada is a tough one and also Grand Cayman. Cayman has a lot of funding with their financial system. They and a lot of very vocal about having cruise ships down there as well I mean even with our flight restrictions over in Europe I mean Agree Cruise Line Celestial cruises just this morning canceled all their sailings through twenty twenty one because they're worried that North Americans can't get over there to fill their ships because of flight restrictions. We're speaking with Doug. Parker! Crews radio DOT net, Doug, all the destinations that you've been to a cruise ship, but your favorite. Probably Alaska. You can't beat the beauty man. But you can't wear your shorts in a in a Jimmy Buffett shirt. Well, you know what that's misconception you can. If you go at the right time, but at nighttime, you definitely want to pack a sweatshirt. Doug Parker crews radio DOT net. You can also listen to his podcast. Cruise Radio pod cast, which is available at all the usual places. Thanks so much for joining US always a pleasure. Thanks John! AIDS John Phillips in for Armstrong and Getty. Don't go anywhere. The Armstrong and getty show. John Helps filling in while a and G. that's him. Are On vacation. AIDS John Phillips in for Armstrong and Getty. Where receiving a word. From the European Union. That most travelers from the United States will be barred from entering the European Union. After it reopened boarders tomorrow, because the corona virus is still far too prevalent in the United States this according to European officials and being reported by NBC News. Now I wonder if this is a one way travel ban. Or this means that they can't come here to. Seems like it would only be fair. If. We can't go to France and fill our American guts full of crepes. Then I don't want Prince. Andrew Vacationing at Jeffrey Epstein's island either. See. The sword cuts both ways. And I love the fact that the Europeans are getting on their high horse. Because so many Americans are testing positive for Covid, nineteen. The number of people dying of covid nineteen has fallen a cliff. The number of people on ventilators has fallen off a cliff why because people who are getting it or in their twenties and thirties? Oh Jeez John. What was going on with people in their twenties and thirties two weeks ago. Well I. Remember My pharmacy on. I remember all of those businesses on, Mel! Roast look like the fourth of July. How `Bout Minneapolis. Target didn't fair too hot. And New York City and we got the autonomous zone in Seattle because all public health experts gave out and said that was okay. See if you go to a bar and you have a beer, you can get the row now. But if you're burning down your local pharmacy after you take all the oxy. That's fine. The Ronan nose to avoid view. Well as it turns out, things don't actually work that way. So now, all these young people are testing positive for covid nineteen. But. The relevant fact is that they're dying. They're not. Being put on ventilators. All of the really ugly things that we saw in New York, city primarily and the tri-state area. Has Gone Down? That's a good thing. The media loves to talk about the number of people who test positive that my friends is irrelevant fact. It doesn't matter how many people test positive. The numbers I look at the number of people dying and the number of people on ventilators. And if you want to compare the EU to the United States? More people have died in your last time I checked the numbers they were at like. One hundred and nine hundred thousand deaths somewhere in that neighborhood. and. We were at like one twenty, one thirty somewhere in there. So if you just WANNA talk deaths. They had a much tougher time with covid nineteen than the United. States. So who are they to wag their fingers at us. And who knows what happened in Asia by the way I? Don't trust the Communist. Chinese government as far as I throw them. They kicked all the journalists out. They kicked out the journalists from the Washington. Post the new. York Times The Wall Street Journal. And then when the doctors would say, Oh, no, it's far worse than what the government saying. They just disappear. And, if you're in China and you know if you say something, the communist government doesn't like they're gonNA Terry ocoee. You're done. You're going to stay quiet. So nobody really knows for sure what's going on in China? Russia claims. They're doing just fine till. I don't believe them. You. Know How you know of Vladimir Putin is lying. His lips are moving. So everyone wants to make it seem like the United. States is a complete basket case, but in China there moving along like a Swiss clock and the European Union is doing just fine well I remember reading those reports of what was going on Italy at the very beginning. I remember hearing about what life was like in Spain and what life was like in France and other countries that were having a very difficult time in Europe. It wasn't all strawberries and cream. Let's put it that way. So now they're banning Americans from traveling over there this summer. And Americans! are now very limited in terms of what they can do for their vacations. The jobless numbers! are still horrible in the United States. And as I look at these numbers, I look at the the number of deaths, declining the number of people on ventilators, declining, and you look at the damage that's done to the economy. And, you look at the overreaction, not just the Fred Federal Government took, but the overreaction from the various states, the various counties the various cities. And I say to myself. Now that we've gotten deaths control and we've gotten people being put on ventilators under control. We need to take care of the American economy. We need to take care of all of these business owners who have been kicked in the crotch repeatedly by the American government. Those are the people that deserve our sympathy right now. Those are the people that need to get back on track. And you listen to these politicians in Washington and they say we need another bailout. We need to spend more money. We need guaranteed income. No, you don't really need those things what you need to do. Is You need to take your foot off their throat? And if you take your foot off their throat, and you allow these businesses that were largely successful before all of this business started, and you allow them to back and wait and sell the goods and services to their customers. Who are happy with these goods and services. Then they'll be back on track. They'll be just fine. But now Washington things that they have to write a check. If they're going to sufficiently respond to a crisis. That they didn't create. They didn't create the virus. They didn't create the pandemic, but they did create the chaos that resulted from the overreaction to all of that. Dr Kelly victory is trauma surgeon. She's an expert on mass casualties. She's the former chief medical officer for Walgreens Hera's and Continental Airlines. She's going to be here to weigh in on all of this madness. It's John Phillips in for Armstrong and getty much more coming.

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Wall Street Breakfast June 28: G20 Summit Takes Center Stage

Wall Street Breakfast

07:54 min | 1 year ago

Wall Street Breakfast June 28: G20 Summit Takes Center Stage

"The morning today is Friday, June twenty eight. You're listening to seeking alpha the leader in market news and analysis, I'm Steve Brown, and this is Wall Street breakfast. Subscribe to this podcast on Google play apple podcasts. I tunes soundcloud Stitcher or Spotify. Wall Street breakfast is presented by Invesco, everyday Invesco. We bring together ideas with technology. Ada with inspiration and investors with solutions. Let's invest in greater possibilities together. Find out more at Invesco dot com slash together. Seeking alpha will be launching its newest podcast. Let's talk EPF's on Wednesday, July tenth. Let's talk EPF's is seeking ALPHA's podcast, dedicated to the exchange traded funds space hosted by longtime ETF, enthusiast seeking alpha zone. Jonathan lists the podcast features long form conversations with ETF issuers asset managers, index providers and investment advisers to explore the ways in which ETF's continue to evolve. Subscribe to this podcast on apple podcast, Google play Spotify, or whichever podcast platform, you prefer. Our top stories today. G twenty summit takes center stage, IV leaving apple and stress tests. Leading today's news, G, twenty up demands boost stocks G twenty tensions way on quickies. While that's most of the rhetoric investors have been hearing this week. The moment of truth has finally arrived as the big gathering kicks off in Osaka, Japan, US stock index futures are in the green with the Dalla head by seventy five points trade will be at the top of the agenda today. However, the most anticipated meeting between President Trump, and China's g will take place, Saturday morning hopes are high for the two leaders to write the last chapter in their trade war, which has reverberated across global economy. In other news, how much was John? I've worked to apple apparently nine billion dollars. That's the market value. The company lost when its shares fell one percent after hours after the chief design officer said he was leaving to start his own design firm that will count apple among its customers. He's been quote, one of the most important figures at apple during his tenure according to Bush analyst, Daniel lives, quote from his amac vision to the stunning iphone launch in transformation. His fingerprints are deeply woven within Apple's core. DNA. The Federal Reserve didn't object to the capital plans of all eighteen firms subjects who had C C, A R stress test, but is requiring Credit Suisse to address, quote, certain limited weaknesses in its capital, planning processes, big US banks, like J P Morgan Citi group, Goldman Sachs and Bank of America. Showered investors with fatter dividends and share repurchases following the news, another notable Deutsche Bank cleared the hurdle after failing last year's assessment sitting shares of the lender up three percent. Pre-market. Bitcoin yesterday gave back almost all the week's games that had pushed its price to nearly fourteen thousand dollars on Wednesday its highest level since January twenty eighteen falling over sixteen percent to below eleven thousand dollars some pointed to an outage at the prominent crypto exchange coin base while others said, volatility is plaguing the digital currency once again, bitcoin has surged in value since April rising more than two hundred sixty percent year today amid Facebook's crypto plans in investors seeking alternative safe haven assets. But it remains below it's all time high of nearly twenty thousand dollars hit in December twenty seventeen. Boeing now expects it will take until at least September to fix a newly identified problem on its grounded. Seven thirty seven max, a company, official told Reuters, meaning the jets returned to service will be delayed until October at the earliest shares closed down three percent on the news. Putting it into perspective. American airline CEO. Doug Parker said on June twelve it was quote, highly likely seven thirty seven max flights would resume by mid August, but Southwest Airlines, the largest global operator of the max yesterday became the first to extend cancellations into October. Today's meeting in Vienna between the remaining signatories of the twenty fifteen nuclear deal Britain, France, Germany Russia, and China is the quote last chance to save the accord, according to Iran, which said it will not accept, quote, artificial solutions to US sanctions at issue is how much money can be transferred via insects. A special mechanism set up that allows for imports and exports without any direct financial close Tehran has already threatened to exceed the maximum amount of enriched uranium permitted by the deal and is just days away from that limit. The US lead emanate globally, in the second quarter of twenty nineteen as company seized on strong equity in debt capital markets to agree on mega combinations. Among the top deals where the hundred twenty one billion dollar agreed merger of United Technologies with Raytheon abbvie, sixty three billion dollar agreement to acquire Allergan and Occidental Petroleum thirty eight billion dollar deal to buy ended ARCO control him US emanate totaled four hundred sixty six billion in Q two down just three percent from a year ago while deal making in Europe plunged fifty four percent to one hundred and fifty two billion and Asia emanate. Dived forty nine percent to one hundred thirty two billion. Madame toussaud's owner Merlin entertainments has agreed to be acquired by the investment vehicle of Legos founding, family and Blackstone, in deal valuing, the company and its debt at nearly six billion pounds, the move, which propelled Merlin shears ahead by fourteen percent in London comes after activist investor value add capital last month, urged the firm, which also operates LEGO win and the tower theme park in Britain to take itself private. Meanwhile, in Europe, second largest IPO 2019 Volkswagen's truck unit tread on began trading at twenty seven euros, a share the low end of its expected range. With its traditional foods and snacks segment struggling conagra, brand says, it's poised to quote capitalize on the explosive growth in meat alternatives. Following last year's acquisition of pinnacle foods included in the deal was guardian which sales meatless beef and chicken products. Pepsico separately, announced plans to test sales of its Aquafina water in aluminum cans as the company moves to reduce its use of virgin plastic while opening reservations for young brands Taco Bell themed restaurant in Palm Springs sold out yesterday in only two minutes. As of six twenty today. US futures gold in crude oil are all slightly up. On today's economic calendar. Consumer sentiment is out at ten AM eastern time. That includes today's Wall Street breakfast. Thank you for listening Wall Street. Breakfast is presented by Invesco everyday Invesco. We bring together. Ideas technology data with inspiration and investors with solutions. Let's invest in greater possibilities together. Find out more at Invesco dot com slash together. For the best investment analysis, and news on the web, go to seeking alpha dot com. 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Wall Street Breakfast May 28: Social Media Crackdown

Wall Street Breakfast

06:30 min | 8 months ago

Wall Street Breakfast May 28: Social Media Crackdown

"I welcome to Health Wall Street breakfast. Your daily source of Market News Analysis. Subscribe to this. Podcast ON APPLE PODCASTS. Google podcasts spotify stitcher. Good Morning today is Thursday may twenty eighth. You're listening to seeking Alpha the leader in market news and analysis. I'm Marina Shirl and this is Wall Street breakfast. Our top stories today. Things escalate after twitter applies fact checking label. Dow S and P five hundred futures looking to continue the surge and China has controversial Hong Kong bill leading. Today's news. Things are escalating quickly after twitter applied. A fact checking labeled to President Trump's tweet about the potential for with mail in ballots. An executive order is now set to be published today that would reportedly opened the door for federal officials to punish social media companies for the way they moderate content by allowing regulators to rethink section to thirty of the Communications Decency Act. The law largely exempts online platforms from legal liability for the material their users post and such changes could expose tech companies more lawsuits. The order would also address political bias on the platforms and review advertising spending on platforms like twitter facebook. Google and snap in other market news. Dow An sap five hundred futures are looking to continue the surge seen Wednesday rising as much as point five percent. The Nasdaq futures were off slightly on word of an executive order against social media companies. The big overnight action seen over the last couple of days was not present however amid the latest tensions with China the leave home trade and gloomy fed beige book as US Corona virus deaths climbed. Pass one hundred thousand people on the calendar today is the second estimate of GDP weekly jobless claims in durable goods orders as well as earnings from salesforce and Costco. China's largely rubber-stamp parliament has passed the controversial national security bill for Hong Kong a move that raises concerns about the territory's future as a financial center. Currently the city is not subjected to the same. Us Tariffs and restrictions as mainland China due to its high degree of political and legal autonomy. If the bill is enacted however it would represent the first time Beijing has introduced a law that imposes criminal penalties into Hong Kong's legal code and bypasses the city's legislature besides possible penalties on Beijing over the Hong Kong security bill sanctions are already on the way to president. Trump's desk as relations between the US and China continue to deteriorate the House of Representatives approved legislation condemning China for the detention and torture of Muslims. After the bill passed overwhelmingly in the Senate earlier this month hallways chief financial officer. Ju also lost a major legal battle on Wednesday in her fight against extradition to the United States to stand trial on fraud. Charges Astronauts Bob Benkin Doug Hurley. We're only seventeen minutes away from launching. Space X is crew. Dragon capsule atop a Falcon nine rocket before the cancellation due to inclement weather. The flight is now rescheduled for three twenty two PM on Saturday. Besides the first private company to fly humans into orbit space x hopes the mission to the could herald an upcoming air of space travel into low earth orbit the Moon Mars and beyond we must plan for operating a smaller airline for the foreseeable future said American Airlines to employees saying it would need to reduce it seventeen thousand management and support staff by thirty percent. The carrier will accept. Volunteers take buyouts through June tenth and made force cuts if there aren't enough as CEO. Doug Parker dismissed rumors about bankruptcy. Airlines has also announced plans to cut management ranks by thirty percent. Once you government payroll aid expires in the fall. Billionaire investor. Carl ICAHN said after offloading. His entire thirty nine percent stake in hurt for significant loss. Unfortunately because of Covid nineteen which caused extremely rapid and substantial decrease in travel hurts has encountered major financial difficulties shares of hurts tumbled over twenty percent following the news on Wednesday. I intend to closely follow the company's reorganization. And I look forward to assessing different opportunities to support hurts in the future. I can added in a statement beating out rivals like flicks. Apple has secured a deal for Hollywood veteran. Martin Scorsese's next film killers of the Flower Moon. Which will feature Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert Deniro? The project will be apple's biggest for a yet into film after acquiring. Greyhound starring Tom Hanks. Last year killers of the flower moon will be labeled an apple original film and paramount pictures will distribute theatrically worldwide. Scorsese's last film. The Irishman was released on Netflix. In two thousand nineteen as it works on its own corona virus vaccine with Sanofi GlaxoSmithKline said it will expand production of vaccine efficacy boosters or advent to produce a billion doses in two twenty twenty one. It's in talks with governments and backing for the program which would effectively allow for scaling up production a future successful vaccines. Glaxo says it's advent can reduce the amount of vaccine protein required for dose. Which would allow for more vaccines to be made to combat covid nineteen other market headlines to watch for on seeking Alpha Ackman dump stake in Berkshire Hathaway Google hit with consumer fraud lawsuit by Arizona? Micron Raises Q. Three revenue forecast. You shall rebound at least a year. Away SAYS PRECISION DRILLING. Exxon shareholders reject bid to split chairman. Ceo Roles while Disneyworld plans to reopen on July eleventh as of six twenty today the Dow s and P five hundred. Bitcoin gold are up. The Nasdaq and crude are down. Look for the durable goods report at eight thirty A. M. Eastern. That concludes. Today's Wall Street. I thank you for listening for the best. Investment Analysis and news on the WEB DOT COM. Subscribe to this podcast on Apple. Podcast Google podcasts. Spotify stitcher can sign up for our other podcast behind the idea saint referees let's hope. Es Cannabis Investing podcast and Marketplace Roundtable. Almost owns as well have a great day.

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Guest Interview: Stephen Shedletzky - Head of Brand Experience & Igniter, Simon Sinek Inc.

Hacking Your Leadership

34:12 min | 1 year ago

Guest Interview: Stephen Shedletzky - Head of Brand Experience & Igniter, Simon Sinek Inc.

"Welcome to hacking your leadership. I'm chris and welcome to our first guest interview. Our guest interviews are long-form interviews with leaders from around the world. They've each centene answers to questions as we provided more selective join us because we know our listeners will get a lot out of it so today we're joined by. Stephen should let skew the head of brand experience for simon sinek inc welcome stephen. Please introduce yourself audience. Hello i'm steven. It's great to be here with you. Chris and to share with your audience. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. <hes> just a little bit of background. Tell us about your leadership background is when you went from jobs in your life where you weren't leading people to the first job where you actually had to deal with other direct reports or on your influencing how people are lead and how that transition was for you. How'd you end up where you are sure so. I'm a real big proponents of of getting involved beyond the classroom. When you're in high school <hes> even elementary school or college university so my first leadership experience was <hes> i'd say in university when i was presented with the option to join a fraternity and myself and a few other buddies just decided decided to start one. We didn't really want to expose ourselves to the hierarchical nature that is <hes> that is frequent in <hes> <hes> fraternities on campus and we decided to make our own and is the president as a as a freshman and it was brilliant billion and we decided to launch a fraternity that would that focused more on getting involved in the community and philanthropic efforts. That's what to find us. That's fantastic and i mean it was hard and i remember coming back from <hes> the the winter holiday break and we had a big fundraising event coming up and felt like it was all on my shoulders and i just i remember distinctively like nearly in tears in front of twenty five guys. I think everyone was a teenager. Maybe we had one twenty year old <hes> and just asking for help and saying. I can't do this on my own. That was the very first leadership experience that i had been on our team at simonsen it for eight years as the the fourth person to join our team so it was definitely an individual contributor role that then but over time have had formal roles of leadership on our team <hes> and it's i you know i'm also a parent which i think there's no better analogy to leadership than parenting so i've i've learned a ton <hes> things that have been great and made me so proud and things that make me wanna pull more of my hair out <hes> but that's that's leadership leadership. I think is is the hardest job because it's human and it's messy and we have books and podcasts resources like these because if it was straightforward we wouldn't we wouldn't need this yeah. I'm leadership is not straightforward. No not at all either one of the first things you said there was that you you don't wanna put words in your mouth but it sounds like you had a little bit of an aversion to hierarchy and that's why he wanted to start your own fraternity. I instead of joining that already existed like the hierarchical nature sure of of fraternities. What was it about that well. I'm actually i am not <hes> another verse to higher hierarchy makes sense okay. I'm averse to hierarchy rickie when i don't think hierarchy makes sense. I think hierarchy doesn't make sense when it's abused. I think my aversion to hierarchy in the context of fraternities on campus where i was was that you weren't treated well when you were junior and so it's in the fabric of the culture that you treat those who were younger within you without respect or consideration my french but that's bullshit ya. That's just not good human nature. I'm i'm all good with hierarchy. There are people more senior to me. <hes> who i can learn from sometimes. You're just more senior to me because of circumstances but that's okay. I still have to respect it. <hes> you know like if you hold the office of of of the president i mean not like you but i i i will respect your authority because i think there are times where hierarchy hierarchy makes complete sense <hes> but <hes> i think hierarchy in power ought not to be abused. It needs to be held with great discretion <unk>. I agree with that. I also think there there there are elements of milliman. They're a little bit in terms of doing what you're doing what you're told and they're and they're also elements of. This is the way we do it. Because this is the way we've always he's done it and i think that not just went in in hierarchies but in a lot of things that can happen in organizations where you find yourself doing something incorrectly but it was correct when it was started it was it had the best of intentions but then all of a sudden you find yourself going wait. Why do we do this and and no one has the courage to ask. No one has the courage to challenge it so you you know sometimes it takes starting your own fraternity to get there right. People do have the courage to challenge it and the response is a reprimanded or fired which then gives no one else the kurds following exactly the wire every once in a while but right right exac which is which is a big piece around you know i've learned in my journey as a leader on our team at time incentive cynic i mean we preach a pretty big message or your <hes> and yet we don't live perfectly inside of our company and i think that was bad but it's not the the the the real test of leadership is not creating an organization where everything goes perfectly because that's impossible. It's about creating a culture alter and a condition in which people feel safe to bring up tensions and conflicts and then you just deal with them in a responsible human thoughtful empathetic way <hes> that's leadership and the reason we don't have movies about it. 'cause it's boring. It's boring when it's not happening to you when you're the protagonist in that story <hes> it's not boring it can be life changing the positive or negative way but yeah watching happen to other people is very it's not very not very intrigued sure sure yeah. No i definitely at that when you decide that you wanted to lead people as opposed to being an individual contributor i mean it wasn't just oh i want more. I want a higher salary and on my own responsibility you. There's something there's something that people have in them when they decide. You know what i want to help. Other people realize their goals and dreams or whatever that is when when did that happen for you to moments or pivotal one <hes> in my last year university i met a professor who changed my life <hes> <hes> one of my my most profound mentors a guy but the name of dr dennis shackle and he just showed me what fulfillment is like you know you can read a dictionary definition of a term and then when you live so you get it in fulfilment is when we use our gifts and strengths to positively impact others to contribute to something bigger than ourselves and he he he facilitated in generated that experience for myself in multiple classes that i was in with him and then i my first job out of college college was in a quote leadership development program. I went leadership. Yeah right right you only issue is i forgot to ask them what their definition of the term was because it turns out we don't have a standard definition of leader or leadership and so i learned though i i don't even know if they'd say this but i learned their definition was more around authority and your contribution to the piano which is not my definition you know. I don't make you wrong longer bad for it. I believe there are different and better ways <hes> but on my first day at my first job at a school a thousand people were like oh and i was walking in post merger <hes> and i saw the impact of uncertainty and lack of transparency and clear communication from leaders on people's future and they didn't communicate it because they didn't know themselves <hes> doesn't make it right right just meant that they played it close to the chest because they didn't know versus just being transparent apparent because absence of sharing narrative people make it up yes they do and i saw rates of cancer. I saw car accidents in not to mention people's productivity <hes> i saw negative impacts everywhere in that experience when i felt unmotivated disengaged uninspired unfulfilled filled depressed quite frankly <hes> i was only in that job for a year by month seven eight nine i literally looked at oncoming traffic and and thought about it as an option it was bad and i was just at nine months into my career not to mention someone who's been there for thirty thirty five years <hes> <hes> and that when i saw how sort of those dichotomies of i experienced fulfillment and i saw the impact of a great leader on people's self-confidence <hes> people's growth health and wellbeing and people contributing and helping each other and then i went into the real world <hes> and saw the very opposite am i knew i i wanted to devote myself to a life that helped others others feel engaged inspired and fulfilled and safe and i just knew that if i did that for others i would feel it myself. I i never made made it about having formal leadership or not just made it about a commitment to a life of service and fortunately i've had some chances to to formally people along the way <hes> and and take some accountability and responsibility for for their growth or rather inspire them to take accountability and responsibility for their own growth. It's amazing how as the people we need the sweet and sour you know the in order to shape who we are and i i wonder how much longer you would have been in that role the negative role that you had had you not had the professor beforehand to show you what what the potential was. How long would you have tried to stick it out or just that. I guess this is life. You know i mean that's you. You know they've kind of worked together. It's a really cool. I've often had that debate in my head of. Can you have the sugar without the salt and maybe like could could you in an idealized way. <hes> help a child understand their strengths put them into curriculum and programs and job opportunities opportunities that like maybe but still you're gonna lose friends. You're going to have relationship. Issues are going to have a credit. I totally i agree with you that it is the it is the both spectrums you know and as a parent now i describe parenting is both the best and worst thing the best and hearts thing that's happened happened to me in my life but it's those dichotomies that helped give me perspective and appreciate the sweet and and try to improve the sour yeah i've worked with organizations sion's with with high turnover and a lot of times when people are in their first jobs. They don't realize how good they have something if if they have it and they'll leave because there's some there's one or two things that bother them. They don't like about the organization or whatever the case is and leave the go somewhere else and maybe they were able to solve those one or two do things but it was at the expense of other things and maybe overall it was a good move for them but maybe overall the wait a minute <hes> what what did i give up here and so yeah. I think it's human in nature to want to think that that we can always do better and it's hard to know what better is. If we don't have a baseline of we don't know what is what's possible and the other aside to you know. We can't just be thinking that a we have a great no-one no-one snow. One doesn't take what they have granted if all they have is good stuff. It's it's not humanly the only possible. I don't think so. Tell me about a time when you learned a lesson while you were leading people <hes> where it changed the way you lead people like where you you were doing something you thought it was the right way to do it and because of an interaction or an incident or something that happened. You thought you know what maybe maybe. I'm close to the two right or maybe me. I'm totally wrong and i gotta change the way i do things here. I mean i i tend to think in people so i'm scanning through the people that have led me rive lead. There's there's one instance and this is where i think organizational values also come in. Come in handy in oh there. There's one person that i've <hes> there are many people but one person's coming to mind who were very different and we have different preferences in you. Take any personality assessment assessment <unk> disc assessment or whatever we always end up on polars <unk> <hes> and were were remote team so <hes> you can't just walk down to their office and just pop in <hes> you know i find i find for people who are like i'm extroverted. I i love to collaborate sometimes to a fault meaning. I'm not really good at getting stuff done. If i'm alone there are moments of brilliance and productivity but like i'm at my best when i hop on a call and we work together and then there are people who are totally opposite of that and and dan i'm really. I'm really open so i'm like chris. We need to have a feedback conversation or chris. I'm struggling and i need to get into it with you. Ah is now a good time to have you know to to get there and i i struggle when there are people who are on the opposite spectrum and i constantly in sometimes people who are more senior but it doesn't make me <hes> more important than them like. Why should they flex to me. You know i i've met a c._e._o. Last week who leads a four impact organization. I just don't like calling organizations not for profit 'cause who wants to wake up and say i'm not aut for something. No you're four impact and he he he did <hes> the disc assessment and he was hi de hide directive hi gretchen in high action at beat be short and brief and he had at the time about sixty five people who work with him. He was the had the highest d. in the organization. Many many people weren't and the consultant that they brought in <hes> said to this guy. These are all the adjustments you need to make and he said well wouldn't it just be more convenient for them to adjust to me and he said spoken like a true high d- <hes> but yeah i mean i so i've struggled with someone who's opposite to me and i think i think the thing i'm working on is not making them wrong or me right or me wrong in them right it. Just is <hes>. How do you make the time to still still get into the tension and conflict even though every time it feels hard and even further when you're part of a culture. How can you steep into something bigger than yourself around. Here's how oh i'm viewing this value. You know here's a viewing we say this. How can we reconcile. How can we improve <hes> so oh. I don't know i'm not sure if that gives you a clear answer but just i think i've gotten into trouble in the past when i'm in the perspective that my way is right and i and i'm far more effective when i lead with empathy and with a more mindful perspective of just is and how do we work with is rather than right or wrong. Yeah i love. I think more people in not just in leadership style but in in a lot of things in life. There are things where there's room. There's room for us. All there's a have to be one areva to or even one hundred ways. There could be could be a lot of different ways to do things or even for me just because i work better with people and they don't if we're collaborating on something if they don't want to collaborate in that away with me. How can i still create that out. In some other way right you know rather than just not making any progress at all right if you value the relationship than that it's incumbent upon you to <hes> <hes> i don't wanna say change yourself but it's coming upon you to find a way through if you if you value the relationship and you value the potential work that could happen well. We can spend a lifetime trying to change others. There is in that won't be very productive. Yeah i think leadership has changed a lot over the last fifty years and if you if we look back at who who we consider to be great leaders over the last fifty years the styles are very different some of the people who would consider to be amazingly shifty years ago they'd have they'd have a hundred hundred one hundred plus percent turnover annually today <hes> and some of the people who are great leaders today probably would move up very organizations fifty years ago. What do you think has brought that about. What do you think employees are demanding it. Do you think people are just naturally changing. Do you think you know what what do you think has caused that kind of evolution to happen. Where the leaders of our parents generation just <hes> are having a hard time speaking the language of today and the leaders of today are more in tune with those soft skills. Yeah i mean i don't call them soft skills. I call them. Human skills better yeah <hes> one is we live in a time of greater general affluence like in general general we i think we live in a time and if you look at maslow's hierarchy of needs we have more of our basic needs met you look at typical millennial today and like if we don't get a job we can live in our parents basement or find a way. You know i'm not saying that's pervasive across everywhere because that's not true of of everyone but i i think if if if you look at us we we live in a time of more general affluence which gives us this notion of <hes> fulfillment is closer to us than it's been in the past which is fantastic you also look at the theories that were popularized in the seventies and eighties and it was milton friedman jack welsh greed it is good and the purpose of business maximize shareholder value which i don't agree with <hes> i would. I would resonate more with adam. Smith's definition the purpose of businesses to serve consumers and the way you serve consumers through your people right. I'm and i'm a really big advocate of focusing on inputs rather than outputs outputs you know even if you look at a program like cayenne which is continuous improvement out of out of japan and popularized toyota. It's all about people. It's all about inputs puts. They brought it over to the u._s. Made although efficiency no doesn't work that way right. It's like only celebrating year kids if they score a goal and soccer not if they were a good teammate right you know so <hes> i mean in some respects. I think leadership is leadership. You go back to the origins of our species where tribal species. We lived in tribes of one hundred fifty. We no longer really lives in lynn tribes of one hundred and fifty. I think scale has gotten in the way because we're not <hes> a species designed for scale but like i'm more of the thought of the sapiens perspective that leadership is leadership and the environment around us has shifted right if you're a leader in troubled times and you ran away when a predator threatened the tribe. Guess what you're not a leader. The definition of leader is when danger threatens the tribe. You're the first to step forward and take a risk and even sacrifice your own well being or life to serve the others and i mean this is biological. We give you the first cut of meat. We give you the first choice of mate. 'cause you get higher levels of serotonin which means when a sabertooth tiger shows up to eat us. You're there. It's not for free and we've gotten a backwards because we we don't operate at scale so for a c._e._o. Who says i care about all one hundred twenty five thousand people who work at at this company. That's biologically ally. You can't all you can do is care about your one fifties such that you're one fifty cares for theirs and that spills to the point of the most junior people feel that they're cared for because a leader. Their leader cares for them the people around them care for them and further. We don't have an issue with the bonus that bankers take. We have an issue when you have in the same year record high bonuses the same your you have record high layoffs. That's just wrong. Yes yes. That's that's taking the running away from the sabertooth tiger absolutely bingo yeah so i mean i chris. I'd rather look at what what what is in our nature then you know i think leadership is leadership. Good leadership is is good leadership and there were great examples in the fifties and there are great examples examples today <hes>. I think though that <hes> you know we've evolved. We've evolved to have just as many women in the workforce as men which which is great. I think we need leaders to have more female type characteristics of nurturing sensitive and an empathy we need a balance of both <hes> <hes> and as women really entered the workforce into the eighty s at first they thought they needed to act like men and they did to fit in power to them for taking the risk and blazing a path breath but were getting back towards center and realizing that people want to be treated as people people want to feel like they're a part of something bigger than just making profit for owners or shareholders olders so i think you know there are theories popularized in the seventies and eighties that we're seeing the negative impact and we're seeing that goliaths can crumble look at lehman brothers right <hes> and i think we're we're seeing that for david's or goliaths to be relevant and to modern in the long run people need to feel that they're contributing to something bigalow themselves. They need to feel safe when they show up to work and at their best need to be inspired by by what they're doing and and who they're doing it with so i'm not sure if that answers the question but those few thoughts it answers a lot of it the only thing i'll add to it is is do you think they've always wanted that and they just didn't have recourse when they weren't getting it or do. You think that what people want from their leaders has actually changed. I think there's a shift in consciousness. <hes> i think if you if you ask someone of the nineteen sixties do you wanna feel part of an organization in which you feel inspired safe fulfilled even if they didn't have the words like yeah of course us. We're just we're just evolving where we're just evolving and i think there's a higher level of consciousness like ten years ago. You couldn't talk about purpose right right but now everyone does the number of people that abuse it though and put up a wonderful purpose on their website and it's just that fluffing a website right and there are countless examples of of this. I mean you look at a company like c._v._s. Took cigarettes off their their store shelves which is a great representation of oh. Were a the healthcare see we believe in in healthy lifestyles. Do you know that also also has on their website rite aid and walgreens they still sell cigarettes and i'm not saying c._v._s. is perfect. Even if they really wanna live their purpose maybe they should look at the candy bars at checkout to but it's a step in the right direction and so i- fundamentally don't believe that lead like what makes a good leader has shifted. I just think that were were realizing the popularity of short termism that were theories in relative times of peace in the seventies and eighties that became popularized through the nineties <hes> and that we're now seeing you not sure if it's the best way and it's a little finite focused and it's a little focused on the individual leader and not the legacy of the organization that has to be a better way. Do you think that that practices widespread the of of whatever the whatever the credo says whatever the purpose says whatever's painted on the wall of the break room not being lived is do you think think that is incredibly widespread and or do you think it's i wanna say not the opposite of wise rabbits unintentional you could just kind of happens and when we you don't focus on it or do you think that there are people who just think that it's supposed to be a motivational quote. We don't actually do that here. I think there's a couple of things i think a we have a failure. Oh you're in in leadership and not necessarily the highest levels of organizations. It's more so in the middle be there are pressures that make the stuff really hard <hes> <hes> like wall street which is a joke and like c._e._o.'s know what wall street and investors and analysts are forcing the organization to do the leaders leaders. No it's not in the best interest of of the organization for the long term but the pressures are so hard they make decisions that are actually not in their best interest ah but we need people to stand up people doug parker who's the c._e._o. Of american airlines saying i'm aware that i have two types of shareholders and two types of investors. I've ones like like berkshire hathaway who care about the long term success of modernisation than having the meriwether fans who infuse and then take out and it's more of a gamble campbell rather than investment and we're only gonna make decisions to please the investors not the gamblers and the gamblers won't like some of the some of the decisions we make but we're not back to making decisions based upon them. Do you think the investors need to be more vocal because it feels like the gamblers are the ones that are the loudest voices is in the room sometimes and times that can drive a lot of the decisions were may be the leaders of organizations. Maybe the instinctively know that the investors matter but if all all they're hearing if the squeaky wheel is only the gambler eat a what what is what is the person do under those circumstances. Yeah i think it's i think they're the loud minority though but i think you know i think we're moving in the right direction. I really do <hes> but it takes courage to stand up like doug parker did and say i mean i still think the vast majority of investors care primarily about their own return which means they're not a service oriented long-term minded investor so funny little story from from the side that may shed some light here simon. Our founder recently gave a talk in london and there there's a long queue in a period and during the day there was this gentleman who spoke up and asked a question and essentially said you know i love all these concepts on the infinite game and all these things things you're talking about. But what do i do when i have investors breathing down my neck to provide them with a return and simon asked who chose the investors and he said i did and he said you made your own bed now. If you're a public company republic company but you can still say were catering to the investors who believe you've in what we're doing over the next five to fifteen years not the next quarter and were willing to take hits from wall street quarter-by-quarter like when c._v._s. made the decision decision to literally take off the shelves something that made them one point five billion dollars annually not to mention the the additional five hundred million from exile exile sales of people would also buy a candy bar razor they literally lost two billion dollars of revenue overnight and wall street bash them but their stock price actually went up very read shortly after because there's investor confidence and they're clear on who they are and there were so many health based companies and vendors who weren't willing to do business with c._b._s. Because they sold cigarettes and one c._v._s. made that decision all of a sudden you have you open yourself up to a whole new pool of partners who want their products on your shelves. I it sounds like once you once you figure out what your northstar is and you you make decisions in spirit of that only it. I'm sure it was stressful but it could be freeing too because it helps you kind of narrow your focus and say you know what it's it's real easy to say. Does this fit with what we are with who we are or does not fit and if it doesn't fit but it's a moneymaker the gamble is that staying true to who we are is will actually make us more in the long run than than trying to be everything everybody totally and ultimately who decides your stock price goes up customers in your your employees some often your most junior employees have the most contact with with your customer and make some more fun facts when c._v._s. took cigarettes off off the shelves the a total market of cigarettes in the u._s. went down by one percent it just trial and the reason was seventy percent of smokers don't wanna smoke but the remedies that get them off. The addiction nicotine patches nicotine gum. This is an endorsement for nicotine but those products are sold old next to the very thing they're addicted to and now when someone went to their c._b._s. Which is their spot or one of their spots to buy cigarettes and you know they said paca whatever they went. We don't sell cigarettes anymore. Would you like a nicotine patch and they went yeah. I mean you don't you don't put the advertisement for for a next to the bottle of whisky. You know they don't right yeah and that's an obvious one. Why isn't the other one to the last question i have for you. Here is give me some examples of what you think will be important characteristics. <hes> over the next five years leaders may be ones that you are starting to see or one that <hes> that they're already there you want them to continue <hes> if there are new leaders kind of coming coming up yeah so i think it's balance so <hes> in this comes from what we're currently working on science coming out with his next book called the infinite game <hes> in builds upon jayme carseats work <hes> james carseat wrote this little book in nineteen eighty six called finite and infinite games on game theory and i think most leaders don't understand the game they're actually playing <hes> and i referenced before chris that <unk> the number of organizations that i see there's a high performing team in the c. suite but they don't pass it down the organization like we create high performing teams at the top such that you extend that to the next level and so on and so on we need more leadership training programs from middle managers not just the top. Is you know that's an aside but <hes> so simon's new book on the infinite game <hes> there are finite and infinite games so finite games have known players agreed upon rules and a clear objective. There's a clear beginning middle and end baseball finite games end infinite games have known and unknown players a new player can enter the rules can change you can make them up and the objective is to keep the game at play it never ends business nonprofit organizations or for impacter organizations government all of our jobs abs though they may have finite components are infinite games. Our careers are infinite. I i can't tell you i'm winning career. That's a stupid. You bet. I can't tell you i'm winning marriage and i certainly can't tell you on winning government or business again. There are finite wins writing and you look at the difference between politicians in our part of the world in north america in politicians in china the in china political parties talk about one thousand year visions that they're attempting to to advance in our part of the world. We're just obsessed with winning the next election think of the decisions in the mindset of those two different political parties. It's totally different and so business <hes> for impact organizations government. It's all infinite games but the vast majority of players are playing by finite rules and so. I think you need a balance of knowing you know i i really want there to be. I want leaders to acknowledge that if your team doesn't hit an arbitrary goal by the fiscal year but everything is trending in the right direction you still give them a bonus verses. This is a team that hits the goal but morale is low. They had to slash prices. They had to do all of these these things to reach the number in you. Give them a bonus. I know i think we need to focus on the inputs rather than the outputs and i think we need to know that though it's important to have finite metrics and goals i think it would behoove us to pay more close attention to the trends rather than the absolutes. I think it changes the mindset of who your your opponent is. If you're if you're if a final game there's a there's a clear defined opponent. It's the other team whoever it is if the goal is to keep the game going then the the politico all it all the players are on your team. They're all on your team and the opponent is the stagnation or death of the business the or the country or or whatever it is so it i think it changes your mindset about who you're fighting against or what you're fighting against absolutely and that's one of the practices which is to study worthy rivals in the infinite game. You're number one competition issue and there are worthy rivals which could be other players in your industry. It could be a force. This guy did some work last week with a bunch of pastors church leaders and one of the forces we discuss was apathy. Apathy is a worthy rival or the beach. The beach has one of your your rivals. If you're a minister right and so how do you look at the other players or forces or feelings as opportunities to improve your play in what you're attempting to advance yeah yeah. I love it stephen. Thank you so much for having me here today. We really appreciate it. We hope this is the first of many interactions. We get to have you over the years <hes>. If you want to share your contact in social media the information for our listeners <unk> visit awesome yeah you can learn more about our work at simon cynic dot com and you can find me and all the normal places twitter. I'm most most active on linked in <hes> just search my name steven. Should let's game. Thank you so much stephen wonderful afternoon and please listeners. Give us some feedback on this. 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Dallas Morning News 12/22/20

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Dallas Morning News 12/22/20

"Good morning it's tuesday december twenty second. I'm mary hildebrand. Here are the top stories from the dallas morning news presented by raytheon technologies are nearly two hundred thousand engineers. Researchers and people with purpose are building the future today. Were pushing the limits of known science to go deeper into space advanced aviation and build smarter defense systems that protect all of us here at home. That's the future of aerospace and defense learn more at rtx dot com. Expect plenty of sunshine today and breezy afternoon with a high of seventy. Tonight will be partly cloudy. Breezy and mild with a low of fifty eight. Our top story is elderly. Texans and those with serious health conditions such as diabetes cancer and heart disease will be next in line for the state's covid nineteen vaccine officials announced yesterday. It will likely be several weeks. However before the massive group of roughly eight million texans can receive their shots i. The state must offer the vaccine to an estimated one point nine million healthcare workers and long-term care residents who have top priority texas received. Its first doses last week which were distributed to hospitals where staff have been battling the epidemic since march with limited early supply of vaccines developed by pfizer inc and moderna inc states are being forced to prioritize. Who gets them i. Texas latest decisions strays from federal guidance. Approved sunday which recommended that people over age. Seventy five and essential workers like firefighters teachers and grocery store workers come next in the queue. The state instead is going to focus on people over age. Sixty five and texans over age sixteen with chronic medical conditions in other news an audit of dallas police overtime spending will be done next year to review funds paid over at least the last two years city auditor. Mark swan said yesterday that his office is aiming to have the review done by may or june. The audit was requested by mayor. Eric johnson earlier this month in response to some council members concerns about overspending during budget discussions in september. The police department went about four point. Five million dollars over its twenty six point five million dollar overtime budget. Last fiscal year the overtime budget was proposed to be twenty four million dollars for the new fiscal year that began in october. But the city council approved about seventeen million dollars. Police have spent about four point. Three million dollars of that as of december according to the mayor's office in business news american plans to start bringing back furloughed workers as soon as the new nine hundred billion dollar economic relief. Package is signed into law with plans to get checks to workers by christmas eve. The final details of the covid nineteen pandemic economic relief. Package were released yesterday after. Lawmakers came to an agreement following months of wrangling over the size and scope of the bill. That would not only send fifteen billion dollars to airlines for payroll support but provide direct payments to americans extend unemployment benefits and give more to battered small businesses. American airlines ceo. Doug parker said in a social media message yesterday once this becomes law we will be recalling all of our furloughed team. Members and restoring pay and benefits retroactive to december first and finally congress's agreement on a second stimulus package comes at a time when many texas restaurants are on the verge of financial collapse amid the pandemic for many restaurants that have managed to stay open. The small business aid could be a saving grace but help maybe coming too late for others. Restaurants really got a nod in this. Bill said emily williams night. Ceo of the texas restaurant association. They combine three and a half times their monthly payroll whereas other businesses will only be able to borrow two and a half times their payroll. The thought was to really get through these winter months for restaurants across the us to read the full story go to dallas news dot com the dallas morning news rewards program is proud to bring you for more information and upcoming events. Please visit reward start. Dallas news dot com for more on these stories and for the latest breaking news visit. Dallas news dot com. Thanks and enjoy your day.

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2303 - Its Time to Nationalize the Airlines w/ Alex Sammon

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

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2303 - Its Time to Nationalize the Airlines w/ Alex Sammon

"Bama March twenty third. Two thousand. Twenty name is Sam Cedar. That's the five time award winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the many many many steps from the Jesse Ravage Ghana's canal in the heartland of America Downtown Brooklyn USA on the Program. Today Job Losses Mount as Democrats fight for relief. Bill boat is taking place right now. Connell wants a corporate giveaway. We'll see where we land. Meanwhile Alex Salmond staff writer at the American progress will join us. Doc about nationally the airlines might apply to some other industries to frankly meanwhile medical supply shortages hit across the country trump refuses to enlist the Democrat Ebi defense production nations governors are outraged by the failures of the federal government. However the White House is getting into gear folks they are mobilizing agencies across the government to blame China. Us Intel reports in January and February are blinking red blinking. Red Trump ignored. 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I assume it's still time to nationalize the airlines right Alex. Yeah I think that's absolutely correct and as long as it's allowed Proposal kind of stuck in neutral. I think the recommendation remained topical. What is Give me a sense of like and I don't know what the latest is but I guess the the vote is still happening in terms of the bailout but let What's the latest are? Are you aware what the latest is on that? I mean before we get into to To this the last thing that I was The proposal proposal has conceived by The GOP was basically a fifty billion dollar proposal largely no strings attached so with with human AIDS in terms of hiring jurisdiction compensation insurance and stop Or anything like that. So it's more or less than kind of same Billion Dollar Kind of free for all That that we heard last week at least last I heard in. What are the Democrats pushing for? Well we're not exactly. I don't think there's exactly one particular vision that we we seem commend net but There have been certain members who pushed to say. Well we're GONNA give them a fifty billion dollars shack. They have to These companies are in need to put an end to stock buybacks zero and have to limit executive compensation. They're going to have to pay all their employees. A decent fifteen dollars in wage Putting conditions on that on that bail out money that I think is a little more reasonable at least the GOP vision Again I I. I'm not sure. What the final proposal looks like. And I think it's probably still very much under construction all right. Well let's let's go into Your piece in and we'll lay the groundwork as to why People not only think that It's appropriate for the government to put very onerous Or I should say very specific obligations upon these airlines to receive a bail out. But the ones that we've been talking about are just simply not sufficient you right and this is just sort of amazing And it gives her. I mean it's I. It gives a perfect tone for what's been going on with them in twenty seventeen American airline CEO. Doug Parker said quote. I don't think we're ever GONNA lose money again and you know this is the I have to say that like I. I know that I've read this peripheral and I've been aware of like what how much airlines have been making but you would think based upon what they charge you for in terms of just like. Do you want a bag of peanuts? That's five bucks. Do you want to bring a you know a bag on? That's going to be thirty bucks. We're going to get rid of like you know the ability for you to actually like Have legs on these flights. You would think that they were really hurting financially. But that's not the case at all is it? Oh yeah absolutely not. It's a great decade for the airlines more or less and they you know these very limited procedures like your baggage fees and and and rocketing up change views and getting rid of entertainment. You seat back entertainment getting rid of Neil you basically you know co contract money out of thin air with these things is making it incredibly expensive. Nothing truly grovel literally convert billions of dollars a year out of stare just on baggage alone so you know. It's it's an industry. That's incredibly novel is. They're basically four airlines. They control over eighty percent of domestic passenger traffic and Busy that they can charge you for every you know every part of the experience getting on the plane and bring your legs with you and it's been great for them. It's been a wildly profitable run for them. I I just can't get over these numbers five billion dollars in baggage fees and twenty five billion dollars in baggage fees. That's not yet free standing. It's it's it's pretty astounding and yeah. There's a reason as reason people hate air travel. You know there's a reason people hate the airlines. It's reasons like that. And that's a yeah. It's it's it's an astonishing amount of money and And obviously went right back to shareholders in an executive authorization. Well let's go. Let's let's let's go into that but before we do Let's let's just go back to where we were Prior to I mean there's really two things that are relevant here is Carter's deregulation of the airline industry and Ronald Reagan's deregulation if you will of the The artist basically getting rid of the law. The basic says you accompany can't manipulate. Its own stock Is really what we're talking about. I mean it used to be illegal to have Buybacks as of like nineteen eighty. But let's go back before we get into you know what what the executives have been doing with their With their with their with their profits. let's go back to the do the era of deregulation. Tell us what it was. What was going on with With Airlines prior to Jimmy Carter go the first forty years of domestic air travel basically between nineteen thirty seven and nineteen seventy eight In trouble is treated basically in the public utility Which was overseen by the Civil Aeronautics Board which is the AB and they manage domestic flights They established You know schedules and fares routes and and they kind of had this mandate to try to keep prices low to make you know domestic travel available people but they also were You know opportunities understanding that air travel is going to be was basically a public good and needed to be Managed it manages one so You had the Syrian. Yeah Forty Years. Where air travel is different than the. Amtrak and the others were public utility And and I try to layer was was expensive there. You know there were certain things that you know people are happy about But also this is kind of very much you know the the the The airline industry a lot of as is is kind of a bellwether for where the on what at this point in time. So nineteen seventy eight Jimmy. Her size is this this massive Deregulation proposal which basically handover management of air travel to deprive companies in the name of innovation in the name of you know lowering prices increasing ability and such like that so we see a change in in the notion of how air travels to exist in this country and it goes from being utility public utility to being Managed by what was a you know a hundreds of of private companies but is now of course just just for so we kind of see a big turning point there and intermediate that was Kind of set the groundwork for for where we are. Now and in terms of prices It the the data showed that the prices were falling at a faster rate prior to deregulation than afterwards. Yeah correct so yeah. There's there's conventional wisdom without about privatization deregulation general. Which is that you know it. You know. It's the fastest way to bring down prices. It's pro-consumer exploited agent whatever Very get go In terms of The privatization of air traveling is. It was pretty clear that was not the case This was kind of a you know not not such an acute disasters and today but it was really. It was bailing these very basic level pretty much from the outset so air travel during the ten years prior and deregulation. Bill as you said was. The prices were decreasing faster than than than the media decade after deregulation. So from seventy to eighty eight prices went down but they didn't go to nearly as quickly as the previous previous decade and they're all these other economic metrics as well that showed that That based on the economic conditions the price of fuel and and All these things the president. Actually you know they were not going down as quickly as we were losing massively in terms of productivity and and costing consumers and all these things so very from your very own terms deregulation project was basically to disinterest savor of the American consumer. You know the American Flyer or whatever you like to call it. So we're now in a situation where for years at least a the last decade or so The the airline industry has were doing so well that their CEO said like we could be an era like history has ended for us. We're never going to be in a period where we're not going to make money And and so what they did with all of their profits instead of like. Hey we should have some revert reserves They went out and they bought back a ton of their stock. Talk about that. And I you know I mean that's been sort of a belly wick of mind this the stock buybacks for a while but Talk about the implications of it. I mean why would someone do this? It's an excellent question. It's it's you know it's it's it's natural Bush because you know it's it's proven to be bad for everyone but just to give a sense of how how greedy this. This management regime was In the past decade the biggest. Us Airlines has spent ninety six percent of free cash flow on buying macaroni shares. You know it's an astounding number ninety six percents in American American Airlines. Obviously Doug Parker who's WHO's the CEO of American was Was really leading the charge on this. So twenty four hundred twenty twenty Americans spend fifteen billion dollars by accident in stock which is actually more than its free. Cash flow actually borrowed money to help facilitate this. So they racked up. You know out any of thirty billion dollars which is five times and walk value the company just to aid in this stock act so they actually setup this this regime where in every every nickel to get their hands on was was Was back to to stop basically funnel back to just talk literacy. Artificially inflated the Stock Price which was great for Parker and and and American Airlines management compensation through the roof because Gerbils were so happy on one eight. He was flooding back to them. So you're just is incredible setup here where You know Jerrell and the executives are are are salting in a way. The expensive of normally workers in of the passengers customers or the whole operation. And now we have this at this place. Where it's it's it's basically insulted you know they're saying that I may go running bankrupt and my money will there. It is right. I mean that's basically I mean this is almost like an and we'll get the loan part but this is a leveraged buyout right where they basically are just extracting from the From the company. All this money that obviously I mean the proof is in the pudding. They could not afford to to lose. This is just a way of of the CEO. Basically going in and making sure that he gets paid and then paying off all the people who could potentially say. Hey wait a second. Why are you walking away with all this cash and his responses you are too and let's not worry about it and that's basically what's going on here and they also on top of this? They borrow thirty billion dollars of of of money presumably to do like the stuff that they're supposed to be doing as an airline right like repairing their planes or whatever it is and Which is five times? Their current market value as of a of a business mitts. This American Airlines. It's it's and then the ideas that we come in and backstop them for nothing basically right just like thank you very much. Enjoy this and we'll see again in ten years. That's pretty much it I mean and and they're you know what they'll say. Well this is you know. This is a necessary industry right. This isn't essential industry providing the central service. Thank you air. Travel again room here. That may be true But it seems as though we've essential public industry but you a private ownership scheme that is incapable of managing it and As they as they very very tightly showed here. So so. That's that's that's exactly it's it's it's not only not only that the CEO or The the Cedars have done so well. Here it's shareholders had done great as well and and that's with any very interesting. We've talked about these these These bailouts is that Well the shareholders are are in some way shape or form going to be made a whole year. The don't get yeah. They're going to get some back from the federal government but I don't use any excuses to why that should be. I mean they knowingly participated in just as much as Doug Parker anybody else did and they sold out at any time but they were they were. They were just as happy as a leader in their pockets on the stock buyback scheme and and You know and and now of course now of course we need it back to the public to make things right and so let's talk about like what we could do here. I mean you and I I I happen to agree that it is You know airline travel is An essential like it's like a public utility and but the thing is is that with that designation comes certain responsibilities to the public. And so this is it. It's not just a one way street. It doesn't mean that would. Just keep bailing you out So talk about the idea of like. How exactly would we nationalize it? Like what does it mean to nationalize airline because on some level right there's The specifics are different. But this sort of the the broad concept it seems to me you know could function for a couple of different industries right like comes to mind For me a for like here's a great example of that You know the a a a a private industry In terms of what they're doing for the Internet they will invest the bare minimum. They can get away with Because they don't need to have extra capacity because it just costs money I think to a certain extent. We're starting to see that with with hospitals on some level. But let's talk about the airline industry in terms of nationalization. Like what does that mean in practice. Yes sure so. Yeah there there are a lot of different ways that we could The sort of thing happened. I think kind of in the general sense. What's important to point out is like measurement with with Internet is a lot of these companies. All these industries came out of public funded research public invest in public management. So a lot of these cases were saying well. Maybe this privatization thing wasn't mistake was just go back to the way before when you know when we could count on us. And and that that I think is true across the number of Industries. And so we're at a very basic level. This framework is asking. You know radical proposal in the sense. It just this thing. One thing has failed. There's one management has failed. What the other. The only one we know about it has worked would be you know national okay in terms of specifics of how it works. I could you number of different Proposal the one that can seen more than most calling me with the idea that is going to be a bail out The United States. Shoot the funds that it conveys to these companies should result in You US holding fifty one percent of shares so if we being in the majority shareholder we you know we have stay. Business is doing that would help us. Obviously combat somebody. There's more ridiculous stock by the accident would also Help kind of enact other you know pro-consumer Regulation that you get the absurdity basic economy take it. You could action real serious environmental regulations on the industry which is an Keira horrible. Horrible track record. That'd be one way to do is just you know. The United States government consume majority shareholder with bill out and doubt allow us to have some say in the course of the company. If you that I think is actually maybe more generous. Even to shareholders than than what would be especially you know given the economic advisers can even just say you know where you're headed their debate. You know they're going to bank added zero so we could just set the stock price zero. And they you know we're going to go over the company the Stock Zero. We're GONNA assume you know operations in an assumed the outstanding delegation and we're going to run this like Amtrak we're gonna run this like You know kind of basically that we have to have it And that's another way And you know I'm sure there there are even more sophisticated advanced ways of thinking about this and then some simple measures that Even at drawing out here but there there are a number of ways that we can do this that that are straightforward They have precedent and it would be not only gives to the American consumer that you could for the environment and they may ultimately be necessary to even say these these companies from from the chopping block in in sixty weeks. I is there anybody in Our government that is amenable to these To to to taking this tact I mean. Is there anybody who's actually inserting it into the to the conversation? I haven't seen any I've seen I mentioned earlier. Kind of seen these growing calls to To put some serious Terminate conditions on on the company's Bailout money and And that's fair is better than what we're at like if you compare what you could hear the auto bailout to what we're talking about now We have politicians mostly Democrats. Would EVEN JOSH. Holly who I don't know we can take him at his word But were saying that you know they're gonNA take public money you know they. You know promise. They're not going to commit to not firing a single person. They need to limit executive compensation they need to You know increase wages. Whatever it is that I was more of a democratic proposal. But we're seeing or actually a vast improvement of what we saw with the auto bailout or nine which was you know mandated that these companies cut wages. They eventually reported so there. There is. There has gonNA change little bit in the way. We're thinking about this. This is You know a decade later. Our our our kind of our our wine and thinking you have probably has shifted in a in a positive way. We'll see the actual package. Looks like who knows I didn't even said it was just take this back over clearly. We can't trust these. The Corporate Management Team with our essential industries I haven't heard that and I would be I'd be happy to hear it I kinda it hasn't hasn't found a main You know mainstream advocate yet at least in the government this point but We'll see yeah. It's I I'm not necessarily out hope that we aren't GonNa moving the right direction. A little bit germs. When you think about these packages At least over a ten year period. So maybe maybe eventually have we heard anything from from sanders or Warren who it seems to me would be you know. I don't know that Warren would Be in favor of nationalization but maybe she would but It seems like Sanders might. Yeah he she Kind of War BEFORE LIST OF DEMANDS AND CONDITIONS. It any any Any airline bill on her for her but would have to have No they're not Kalsa nationalization and there were some good some good proposals in there Just good pro worker proposal and it and Sanders has done the same thing actually. His bulk his His commentary on this has been a good wage no stock buybacks. No outsourcing Expanding benefits Ed Worker sitting on corporate boards. That that is. That's obviously there's something isn't quite as Getting his presidential campaign. Well that that's another thing we you know that's something we would odyssey. You know two thousand eight or nine Watson went through this little finance so no. There's yeah there's no. There's no no vocal proponent of national we are seeing kind of through through sanders and warned that there is There isn't do without reconstituting management structure. At least a little bit For the their they are going to to. You know to walk away with a two billion dollar. Check the peace. Alex is in the American prospect. It's time to nationalize the airlines. I happen to agree with you. and I appreciate your your laying it out there. I think this is something that you know is a good time for folks to sort of You know a view these ideas because this is you know there. There's the reason why it seems to me. The the fights going on with With this bailout package is I think that the it's not just a question of the Corporations getting their goodies. It's really the strings that they're arguing about. And and I think there is a real fear amongst the Republicans that structural changes can be made at this point that you know Josh Holly Even if I was to take out his word a lot of what. He's talking about her stuff. That like okay crisis over let's revert type of situation but if you nationalize the airlines there is no reversion There is this is a new way of doing things going forward. And that's the thing that I appreciate about it Because frankly you know why. Keep going through this every time. Yeah it's a great question and it's the things we've learned this hard lesson again in the end it yeah And it does it does. Maybe maybe we can learn or for the last time here. And we can make structural changes to prevent some of these Some of these more outlandish out cones but But yeah it's it's It's yeah it's you know it's dirty we know is wrong. We've identified. The problem was they didn't find the structure the legislative circumstances that are routed through this and if we're really serious about preventing Grinning ourselves. We're going another another around hamster wheel You know we we. We know what to do. We have the tools to do it so hopefully hopefully we will will take them gasol. Alex Salmond Staff writer American prospect is time to nationalize airlines will put a link to that at majority. Fm thanks so much for your time. Today I really appreciate. Yeah thanks for coming on all right folks. It's A. It's an important time. I you know the I. I don't think that Congress has even come remotely close to sort of absorbing what is going on in terms of the the country right. Now I think and I don't know this may seem the sort of nakedly partisan but I think the the fact is is that at the very least. It seems like the Democrats as a whole have at least come around to understand the severity of what we're dealing with from a health perspective The Republicans don't even seem to be Even remotely Remotely I don't know aware of how how messed up. Things are right now Maybe we can pull up That that that piece from the daily goes but Let's I listen to this and and I and I think they're gonNA come back. This bill is not going to be big enough. I don't think you've got reports right now that we're talking about Do you know what was it? Who is it came out with this? The Federal Reserve Bank of Saint Louis the president of that Bank James Bullard predicted. Us unemployment rate may hit thirty percent in the second quarter due to shutdowns. Second Quarter. Being April May June the Great Depression and we measure it than we did. Then I think we measure it in a way that probably undercounts the Great Depression. The if I remember correctly the unemployment rate was twenty. Four point five or twenty five percent the this Guy James Bullard. No it's yes. He anticipates a potential of fifty percent drop in the GDP. The definition of depression includes a minimum of a drop of GDP of ten percent. I don't think we've ever had a fifty percent drop in GDP. I don't think that's ever happened. And it would need to be sustained over time but it's very difficult to sort of get out of this hole and the government. We are trying to talk to Stephanie. Kelton later in this In this week But the government's going to have to step up in a big big way. I think they're only beginning girl. Only at the beginning of this journey in terms of realizing. What the government's going to have to do and I think that the Republicans to a large extent are you know worried that there's going to be too many strings that comes with this Bailout money but let's let's turn to Brendan are you okay to do this That guy which went. Oh Yeah this Florida look. This is from Florida. The OKEECHOBEE The Okeechobee town meeting or whatever it is right and this is a guy named Bryan culpepper. I knew a couple of culpeper is back in Worcester In Okeechobee Florida. He is a Okeechobee. County commissioner and. I'm not showing you this because I'm worried about Okeechobee Florida. I I am now worried about Okeechobee. Florida but We should be worried about everywhere in the country but I think this is indicative. I mean I've been saying this now for a couple of weeks guys like Sean Hannity. All those Right wing talkers. The president of the United States. I think they all are going to have blood on their hands by curve. Denying this stuff and putting out just absolute garbage. This is listen carefully to this exchange in this. Oh Koby town hall where this commissioner is explaining. What is a legit response to the corona virus? Here it is. It's not getting audio bear with us. Folks her I don't know what happens over the course that we We tested we tested by phone system. Iphone system didn't work all of a sudden like skype. Didn't pick up the thing so we had to do a different one. We tested this. Do Multiple T. Nasal passages might sound kinda silly but being in the medical field that I was a paramedic. It started make a lot of sense. One of the things that was pointed out in this interview with one of the doctors formless doctors at his study window. All right we jumped into this a little bit late. the He is going over. You know how to respond to the corona virus and I think he's retailing about an interview he saw on one. American network is at the name of it own. They they bill themselves as the new Fox says that the nasal passages passages and the nasal membranes or the coolest part of the body. That's why the virus tends to go there until it then becomes healthy enough to go into the lungs. This assembly goofy did to me too but it works once. The temperature reaches a hundred and thirty six degrees Fahrenheit. The virus falls apart. And just disintegrates. Okay and I said well how would you get the temperature up to one hundred thirty two degrees the answer? Was you use a blow dryer because it's capable of doing that so you hold a blow dryer in front of your face and you inhale with you nose and it kills all the viruses in your nose? Okay I so I would. Just I would just caution residents to if there's lots of misinformation out there we're hearing and learning a lot on social media and and there's just a lot of misinformation on how to cure this disease and I personally would just leave that to your medical provider. I I've heard so much. Just sad information about how to had cure this virus in. It's a new virus. That's why they call it an oval novel Colorado Virus and just caution caution on the mechanisms of you know trying to to treat this on your own and leave out of the medical professionals to be able to for social media. I would not even brought that up. This was on one America News Network. Which is the fastest growing national network on Cable and It's it's the new Fox News if you WANNA know the truth and it was a doctor and what did have his credentials that he has been of the foremost doctors in studying. You know how this is transmitted. And that's where that came from and I agree with you. There's a lot of baloney out there on social media. You've got to be very careful but only brought it up because it came from a pretty reliable source. I I don't I don't know how to I don't know how to. I don't know how to respond to that Than like we're watching like rolling tragedy that has been I mean it's literally like just watching a slow motion video of an arsonist going in pouring gasoline on a on on a fire. I mean there's so much that is disturbing. Ya what I really appreciate. How he said it. It works as if he's tested it out. Apparently you can burn your skin at like one hundred and ten degrees so one hundred thirty six first of all you have literally singed your face. I don't know I don't know if a blow dryer can get that hot I maybe can but you would not put it up to your nose to get your flesh to one hundred thirty six degrees all. I devised a contraption. Right take space heater and put a ring around my neck and just hold it up near my nose and I've been out in the city walking around real nice. And where did you see this? I mean it was it was on TV and it was a doctor who had credentials. I mean that we're going to see there's going to be break. I'm telling you and I've been saying this there is going to you're going to be able to overlay the graph of on a per capita basis of deaths and the ratings for right-wing News. I think we're already seeing it in terms of of Terms of governors. There's that story I think it was in. Yeah on the daily coz about Comparing Kentucky verses of Tennessee and the response is there just in terms of the way that the the two governors Yup Ashir in Kentucky who beat Bavin And Bill Lee in Tennessee a Republican and. It's it's absolutely stunning. Like the the you could scroll down to the graph here you can see the difference in just like what they You can you can you. Can you can make that bigger Let's see this so you can see Around here right okay. That's good. You can see that the the rate of growth gets exponential as time goes on. That's why the first couple of weeks the most important weeks in this thing and that's why we are screwed in this country because you can see like in blue. The boxes are where the government and Bashir ax on March tenth. You have almost in fact you have a little bit more cases in Kentucky. Well once Tennessee had seven Kentucky had eight. There's executive orders to refill prescriptions. For thirty days closes prison visitation restricts long term care facilities Meanwhile in Tennessee. The governor's states no need for schools or workplaces to close in earlier The governor strongly encourages social. Distancing begins updates for on the corona virus He talks about a march eleventh. Schools closed within seventy two hours and A- and March twelfth. You have finally Tennessee declares a state of emergency but everybody you know that'd been going on for a long time. People don't do that. And it's not until the twenty the thirteenth that even talks about handwashing by the Fourteenth. He just says that too vulnerable populations by the Fourteenth. You have hospitals preparing to Cease ELECTIVE PROCEDURES IN KENTUCKY? 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Embracing an Infinite Mindset with Simon Sinek

Dose of Leadership

50:07 min | 9 months ago

Embracing an Infinite Mindset with Simon Sinek

"Welcome to another episode of the dose of Leadership. Podcast the show that brings you inspiring and educational interviews with today's most relevant and motivating leaders. Each episode is dedicated to highlight reel life leadership and influence experts who dedicate their lives to the pursuit of the truth common sense and courageous leadership. And now here's your host Richard Ryerson. Welcome a dose of leadership so happier tuning in. You'd know my next guest. Great to have Simon cynic back on the show. He's at unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright futures ability to build together. I Love Simon Sinek. I'm sure most of you are familiar with him. Scribes his visionary thinker with a rare intellect. He's devoted his whole professional life to help advance a vision of the world. That does not yet exist. And that's what I love about him. It's a world where the vast majority of people wake up every single day feeling inspired feeling safe at work returning fulfilled the end of the day. I love that vision. Or that kind of purpose of why he exists and he's the author bestselling books start with. Why course everybody knows him from that leaders eat last which he was on my show or five years ago. Promoting that together is better in his brand new book. That came out in October. The infinite game which is so timely. For what is happening with the world today. I love this book highly. Recommend it and it's it's as he talks about. You Know Infinite Games like football or basketball or chest. The players are known. The rules are fixed. And you've got a clear in point right winners and losers are easily identified and the problem is we live in a world. We play a lot of infinite games. E-business politics life itself. It's not a finite game and a loved distinction or that clarity around that because an infinite games like business politics and life the players come and go the rules changeable there's no defined in point there's no winners or losers in an infinite game and that's when we talk about leash it's an infinite game. It's a lifelong process. There's only ahead and there's behind right. And so the more that Simon started understand that difference between the finite and infinite games the more he began to see that infant games are all around us. And it's so true right and that many the struggles that we face in organizations and even our personal life they exist simply because we as leaders are playing with a finite mindset in an infinite game just brilliant observation. It's so true and so when you're caught in that finite mindset in an infinite game. What happens will you lagged behind innovation? Morale performance is lacking and he started. See a lot of dysfunction however you embrace an infinite mindset contrast as you build stronger more innovative more inspired organizations people start to trust each other more trust leaders and they have resilience and its key right the difference between a resilient organization or stable organization again. We deep dive into this conversation. But the KEYS TO BE RESILIENT. That's what you want while the more stable competitors will fall by the wayside ultimately the resilient organizations the infant that the ones that embraces infinite mindset. There's the ones they're gonNA lead all of us into the rest of the future anyway. Just a fascinating conversation. A fascinating book. You're really gonNA enjoy Simon. I'm so glad that in pro privilege that he came back on the show just a great fun and inspiring educational conversation. Thanks for tuning into the show. My Call to Action View. Hope getting some value at a dose of leadership. I do this for Free. 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Thanks again check out those leadership dot com to see all the services that I can provide not only this podcast but all my speaking my teaching my coaching and sign it from my legacy leader blueprint course which is a great resource. Particularly in this online age were staying in place sheltering in place where you can get leadership training plus one. Coaching for me about five hundred dollars. A seat doesn't break the bank in your organization so to train five ten year people check out legacy leader blueprint plant those seeds of leadership in your organization. All Right Again. Thanks for tuning in a show. Now let's start our conversation with Simonsen here on dissolution. Simon went honor to have you back on those leadership. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me back. I appreciate it Been so excited to talk to you particularly because I love the infinite game and when I read it it took me back. It gave me some clarity. I think is part of the reason why I think I started dose of leadership and doing this for seven years and and of course my time in the Marine Corps completed that infant game mindset and Buzney way. A lot of clarity came through after reading this book. Because it's it's something when I look back at my career in the corporate arena. That's where all my conflicts because I was dealing with finite mindset and I was trying to play an infinite game so congratulations on the book. Great Book by the way. Thank you very much thank you. So let's let's talk a little bit. I know in your book. You talk about why you wrote it for the sake of my listeners. Why did you write this this book? So let's let's share with everyone. What the what the with the infinite game is sure a philosopher by the name of Carse in the mid nineteen eighties theorized. That if you have at least one competitor game exists and there are these two types of games finite games an infinite games. A Finite Games defines known players fixed rules and an agreed upon objective football baseball. There's always beginning middle and an end and if there's a winner there has to be a loser. Then their infinite games infinite games are defined as known and unknown players The rules are changeable and the objective is to perpetuate the game to stay in the games long as possible so in a final game. The goal is obviously to play to win and everybody plays by the same rules and there is only the number of teams that are allowed on the field. At any one time in the infinite game players can come and go as they choose New players can emerge at any time every player. Compla- Harvard they want. And there's no such thing as winning because there's no there's no finish line and what. I found so astonishing about Dr Carson's work is that it got me thinking that we are players and infinite games every day of our lives. Yeah no such thing as winning global politics. There's no such thing as winning education. No one has ever declared the winner of careers. There's no such thing as winning. Health Care And there's definitely no such thing as winning business But if you listen to the language of so many leaders they talk about being number one being the best and beating their competition based on what race upon what agreed upon objectives. What agreed upon timeframes? And what agreed upon metrics in other words They're playing with the wrong mindset for the game they're in and what I've learned is when you play with a finite mindset in the infinite game of business There's a few very consistent and predictable outcomes amongst which include the decline of trust the decline of cooperation on the decline of invasion. When I when I learned this this sort of shed a whole New Light unto the one of the challenges I was facing in my career which is I was this ideal as talking about how businesses should runner could run based on trust and putting people first and people who are much wealthier than me and much more successful than a much more experienced than me would basically call me an idiot right and call me and call me naive and basically what I learned is I'm not the I'm not the idiot one. They are playing with the one with the wrong mindset and this is one of the reasons why we see much less loyalty and companies. Today you know we see companies struggle to engage their employees we see struggles innovation. We also see a decline in the average lifespan of a company. It's it's declined. Precipitously since the nineteen fifties and sixties the average lifespan of companies to be like fifty or sixty years. Now it's about seventeen years. Yeah and and we see the timeframes of the way companies play especially public companies becoming shorter and shorter term and more and more damage being done than more and more ethical violations. And I realized it's because they're playing for the wrong for the run game. They're playing with a finite mindset in the game so it was. It was a hugely sort of Cathartic experience. Yeah I mean when I read it again brought a lot of focus and clarity. The stuff that I've been struggling with I mean when I look back at the conflicts that I've had in the corporate arena and the arguments I would have with CEO's or even as a consultant. You know trying to communicate what we're trying to do here it. It's all around what you just talked about that. I was assuming that we were playing an infinite game here and I find that the vast majority of people are stuck in this finite mindset. And you're absolutely right and I would get the same kind of feedback to like. You don't know what you're talking about you know you're you're you're living in a fantasy land and I'm like no but I go back to. I would always harking back to my experience in the Marine Corps. And I think that's why this was. What was drummed into me is when. I joined the Marine Corps. I was introduced to an infinite game if that makes sense and I think a lot of people don't see that because you see conflicts and wars as finite know events. Yeah there's finite goals within that but the construct of from a culture standpoint figuratively. Had My someone wrap their arms around me and pointed me to the would you memorial and all the people that have gone before and all the blank spots yet to go and they're saying you're in the middle of this of this long journey that makes sense right. Yeah No of course I mean. It isn't infinite journey and what you find is some of the highest performing organizations the Marine Corps included. They they don't hearken to the future. You know just talk future like you hear. Politicians say this. All the time is like well. We have to do this for our children. And yet they make stupid decisions we when we talk about the the unimagined when we talk about the the unformed Sort of hypothetical future that exists only in our imagination. It's actually very hard to to quote unquote do the right thing It's much easier to look backwards to hearken to the to the to the noble passed to those who sacrificed before us that it's our responsibility to To carry forward what they sacrifice for into the future and there's research done on even families and children who have a sense of where their grandparents come from actually grew up to to do better in the future to have a sense of our own. History gives a sense of continuum and legacy in journey rather than than these finite events that forces us to focus on the here and now because it's the only thing we can see measure. You're absolutely right and UNF- unfortunately we're living in a world right now where defining game has largely become the standard by which we do business. It's largely the standard by which we do politics. It's largely standard by which we do health care where all we do is focus on the here and now and what we can measure in the immediate future You know and the long term future be damned and Unfortunately we we suffer the decisions and a and future generations. Well as well. Yeah there's so much truth to that and I always argue that if we could get to the point in an organization or even as a country looking at the large macro sense like if we feel like we're part of something bigger than ourselves that's where you get a lot of the the unsurpassed loyalty the innovation the the the dedication the people you know would climb barbed wire walls naked because they feel like a part of something bigger than themselves. I think to me that was always the should be always the goals. Like what are we trying to accomplish here? And I think that it's worth talking about that. You know when folks like you and me talk about putting people before profit and playing this infinite game in a were accused being anti-capitalist or something right and And I think we have to. We have to remind everyone that the form of capitalism that we that we that we working today is many of the practices are are are mostly modern. You know the concept of shareholders supremacy where we priorities prioritize. The wants needs desires of disinterested external constituency before the customer in the employees did not exist prior to the nineteen seventy S. It was a theory proposed the mid to late. Nineteen seventy s popularized during the eighties and nineties. By CEOS like Jack Welsh and those like him You know that the equivalent of a coach trying to build a great team by prioritizing the needs of the fans over the The wants of the fans of the needs of the players. I mean that's what shareholders premises but. It's worth noting that it's though it's a standard today it. It's a relatively new experience. Didn't exist prior to the eighties and nineties The concept of using mass layoffs to balance the books on on a regular basis did not exist in the United States prior to the nineteen eighties did not exist Used for for for Only to save company of the if the if the company was sinking was a last resort. It wasn't a an annualized thing to to meet an arbitrary projection like we were not as profitable as we would have liked. So we're going to use your livelihood So we can meet arbitrary projections. We're still profitable just not as profitable as we arbitrarily predicted you know. And that's and that's become so normal today that that CEO's already even embarrassed going on television and announcing that they've done it In fact what's worse is the incentive structures You know in the way that Wall Street exerts undue pressure on companies if a company announced layoffs their stock price goes up and if they announced something like rnd or reinvestment the company The stock price goes down and if you're largely incentivize based on the price of the equity will guess what And is a big open joke. It's a big open secret. Almost every sea level executive every public company Knows that that that that Wall Street pressured them to make decisions. That are a bad for their company. Avoid making decisions that are good for their companies. They will know it they will they? All Scoff at Wall Street behind behind the scenes. Right Every single one of them. I've never met a public company executive. Who doesn't who doesn't who doesn't Mock Wall Street and the idiocy of the analysts and yet and yet and yet they play the game and so we have to remember that that the form of capitalism that we're enjoying today is not the capitalism That we're playing into. The is not the capitalism Adam. Smith imagined it's not the capitalism that Thomas Jefferson a wanted to build a nation on our founding fathers one of the bill of Nation on. It's not the capitalism that made America what it is today. It's a new form of capitalism that I would argue is actually doing more damage than not and it's time for us to return to the proper form of capitalism the capitalism that made this country. Great so I mean you hitting so. Many great points is even giving me goosebumps because it's exactly the conversations that have been having that. I get so frustrated with because you know and it's to the detriment of or capitalism as become so skewed him on from its original. Kind of idea you know an and even arguments with my kids in the cabinets at work and I'm like it doesn't work in its present form. It's not the capitalism that I want right. Yeah let's system isn't the problem. It's the way we're doing exactly. Yeah you right in my book. I am pilot for American Airlines. I fly seventy seven's you talk about. Doug Parker I love that aircraft by the way. Oh yes it's it's like. I love flying to Wyatt. Even when it's when you're full throttle it is so quiet. Yeah it is like I mean came from the seven thirty seven hundred flew that in the seven. Thirty sevens driving an ACURA. And the seventy seven's like driving a Rolls Royce. That's that's that's the difference. She's glad to hear his foot up front that I left side. I love line it anyway. I hope to still fly it here when we get on the backside of this day but It's it's interesting because you talk about the In this is interesting because when we're pods perspective I see I'm kind of in the middle and I see With with this crisis that has happened with cove and everything is unprecedented time. And I don't know Parker personally and as you can imagine I walk into a pilot union group that You see when you talk about finite mindset. You see the historical from the past like nothing. Any leader does in the organization will get him past that finite mindset right and I see Parker playing. I see him sometimes doing in mind things in a finite game but then sometimes I see him succumbed to the finite mindset. I would talk to you a little bit about that because some things have changed since you've written written the book but I think I think he's he and his executive team are trying are trying as you know. American Airlines for decades has been had been plagued absolutely yeah leadership And when you have bad leader after badly draft a bad leader finite minded to find it might at selfish too selfish after selfish that when somebody comes in and says we're going to do differently. The man of cynicism is overwhelming. Yeah which is what we're faced with yet and that's what he's grades with An. It is a difficult game. It's the largest airline in the world. They they're still company. They still have to. They still have to manage the system. They're still afraid of of hostile takeovers. You know And and so that the problem is is when they do things right. They can't get a break and everybody focused on the things that they're doing the old way or that they got wrong And so I think I think American is trying and I and I I. I've met the leadership of American and I liked the leadership of American. And there's a few things that they've done that I I really respect One of the things that they've done is they they. They've sort of bifurcated the way they look at shareholders so they've looked at their shoulders and said you know there's a group of people who are long-term who believe in. Us believe in our vision and believe in what we're trying to do over the long term and as a group ashore short-term driven and don't really care about us as a company or as people they just they just want to squeeze a bucket of us and we're when we say we're shareholder driven. We're going to focus on the on the long-term folks because we think that's right because the short-term folks will come and go no matter what they're just fair where fans and I think. That's you know for public company to to think that way is pretty pretty sophisticated and again it's imperfect and it's large and it's A. It's a battleship and it takes a long time to turn But I think they're trying. I really do one thing that I I noticed here. In this crisis the difference between the big soon you look at the big three is From a messaging standpoint is united and Delta have really come out with very stark warnings of. What's going to happen in October? First when the kind of government assistance deadline goes away or at least that that stake in the stand in America's as generated a more positive tone saying hey we have enough liquidity now to whether it's on the bright side of this. Were you know we got enough? We're going to be focused on being prepared. The message has been. We're going to focus on being prepared when the demand comes back the other two united and Delta have said. We'd never seen anything like this before even though Parker said that too but the thing that that United Delta that saying is we never seen this before drastic. Things are going to have to happen when October first comes Parker near the hand is saying this never happened before but we got enough liquidity. Now to whether it's norm don't know what the future holds but our goal should be to be prepared when the demand comes back. That's that's called optimism and I like optimus me too but good leadership requires optimism. And and I and I make the distinction between positivity and optimism. You know positively is like everything's fine. Everything's good everything's good everything's fine everything's fine and you know the leaders making the mistake that because we want to hear positive messages we we tell everybody that everything's fine. That's not what we need. We do not need positively because positively denies the reality of the current situation. What we need is optimism. Optimism accepts the reality of the situation but sees a a light at the end of the tunnel optimism. Sounds like it's dark now and it's hard now and we're going to struggle for a while but we will get through this. There's a light at the end of the tunnel. I do not know how far away that light is but we will get there and we will be stronger when we come out of us you know. That's what optimism sounds like. And that's what we need to hear. And it's not a denial of difficulty or struggle It's just a belief in the future in a positive future and I think that's what it sounds like what what what Parker is doing to his credit. Yeah and we're all aware of what the reality is. We're all aware that businesses will collapse in not because of of leadership because the time's are overwhelming. And there's only so much money that that they had to write to whether that with whether the storm if the demand doesn't come back all bets are off right. I mean and for now talking about this sort of blame game is is. It's not it's not worth. It's not a worthwhile argument right now. Like you know which companies were. Ill prepared because of all the stupid mistakes they made in the past and now they're going to collapse where the yes. The that is a worthy conversation that we can have at the end of this. Yeah we'll learn our lessons and debrief at the end not in the middle. That's a yeah you know I think along the same lines. And that's what kind of frustrates me personally in this situation because the cynicism around in the people around is like well you know we should if we weren't so stupid about vinyl the stock buybacks and doing this and that and Bubba getting kind of finite game actions in a funny game world. Yeah Okay but what are we going to do on the other side of this and and Anyway it's valid conversation for later sure. Yeah the other side of us. Just let's just get through this particular crisis in and I talk about this crisis. Management is like sometimes you just east gotTa get through the Week. Right and with the sense of optimism and with the. I don't know I think great leaders do that to your point is like I don't know how we're going to get there. I just know we're going to get there right and it's like dangling from a tree you know and getting angry and worried about you. Know screaming at people how you find yourself in the tree down I exactly and then we can have the discussion of how you find yourself in that situation. But it's it's yeah I mean there. There's going to be a reckoning. At the end of this there has to be And I and I you know I I. There's a silver lining and every cloud and this this cloud I hope what it reveals by. The end of this is at some of the way that we some of the ways that we ran our businesses. Do not prepare as to whether storms And and we need to run our businesses differently. You know everybody buys insurance for their home not because we expect our house to burn down. It's because it's insurance. That's what insurance is and a and a well. Run Company operates with a sense of insurance. Which is we? Don't expect global pandemics with we saw during the housing crisis in two thousand and eight. You know the actuaries said that there was like one percent chance or something that the entire housing market collapse at the same time so nobody had any made any preparations because the odds were the odds. Were low so when the housing market collapsed. No one was prepared. You know and so. They were racing to make plans after the fact Well there's a slim chance to your house is going to burn down. You still have insurance and so I think I hope this builds in a sense of a an element of conservativeness and resilience putting money. Aside for a rainy day those stock buybacks as much in case you can have a ton of cash on hand. Not Expect this to happen again. But who knows what's going to happen. That's that's the point of the future. It's unpredictable so I hope. There is a reckoning at the end of this for for food to be a little more prepared and and many other things to well. You're highlighting a definite advantage of shifting in adopting this infinite mindset is that it produces resiliency which is completely different than stability. Which is what you hear a lot of people talking about stability in as you point out in your book. Stability is about you know remaining. The same and resiliency is like well. Yeah it's up and down up and down. How do I stay resilient? So this thing chugs along long gone resilience stability. Is We go into a crisis when we come out of at the same company that we asylum Dick version weakened but but alive. You know right Resilience is we went into this crisis. We completely reinvented ourselves. When we came out of the stronger than we went in resilience is the ability to adapt. It's not the ability simply to to to weather a storm And we may have a lot of stable companies. But we don't have many resilient company Yeah and I you know you're right. The infinite mindset does prepare for this stuff I mean think about it. Imagine if we all lived at instead of for seventy eight years for a thousand years. This'll be our sixth pandemic right. Yeah and I. It's like a hurricane hurricanes on an annual basis. There's actually a season for them. Yup Come barreling through certain states and a There is a loss of life. There's off a billions of dollars worth of of damage done and yet we know how to prepare. And there's policies against these things and we know how to sort of batten down the hatches. And we try mitigate the damage and we don't enjoy it we don't want it. We'd like to avoid the whole thing. But we've we`ve. We've waited these storms before we kind of know how to do it. If we live for a thousand years global pandemic should be the exact same thing. Yeah here's another how to deal with. It would be a loss of life. We'd mitigate the damage would mitigate the economic damage. Kind of know what to do so when you have an infinite mindset infinite mindset is is as if you're live for a thousand years which is you're a little bit prepared for everything you know And that's not just financially that's culturally a strong corporate culture where the team has a singular vision and and it's a in a ton of trust means that when the storm hits it's instead of everybody going into Bannon ship and save yourself. Everybody goes okay. How are we going to take care of each other And you know this being in the Marine Corps which is when you enter the most horrible situations known you know that most people never experience what ends up happening is marines. Come together not break apart Even if you don't like each other you love each other. Which is an amazing thing that I think people in the corporate world really don't understand you don't have to like the people you work with but you can love the people you were right right. That's so true and And that trust is not built in combat. That trust is not built in a crisis. That trust is built before you got there. It's the it's the training. It's the shared history. It's the shared traditions. The shared values. It's the it's the it's the kind of leadership who build a safe space around you and makes you know that every marine has your back just because you call yourself marine because you've earned the right to call yourself marine and all of that trust is built for for years and years and years so that when you step off that sees Evan Teen. You're good to go and corporate world we don't I. I'll tell you a funny story. I did some work with a large a large chemical company And we'll talk about leadership in one of the executives raises sentences. I don't have time for this like you have to understand. This is war and I do not have time for the stuff that you're talking about. You had to correct them as at first of all this is not war The worst case scenario is a large public company will lose some money like that's about it. So let's just let's just ease up on our on our on our analogies here And then the second thing I said is okay. I understand that the pressure is great. And you're going through hard times. You don't have time to do good leadership thing so my question to you is what we doing during the good times like what were you doing when everything was fine and stable like. Why weren't you building trust? Why weren't you building your team? Why weren't your training your leaders. Why weren't you preparing for this? And that's the problem. That's the problem which is during the good times we were we sort of. We're even more short term focused. You know which and this. I've seen this. I've seen successful pitman's accessible pivots going on right. Now and the unsuccessful pivots are the ones where the companies have put themselves at the front at the beginning of that equation which is which is how what are we gonNA do. I helped. How are we going to make money? Are we going to get? Are we going to take? Are we going to get money right? Are we gonNA survive right right whereas the ones that are successfully pivoting our putting their customers at the center of this with they're saying. Hey guys how do we do? We continue to give what we've got to other people like we've got capabilities. We've got talents. We've got things we know have value. How are we gonNA find different ways to share what we've got with other people and it and it's it's such a subtle shift but it has such a profound impact because one is a taking mentality and what is giving mentality when is a selfish mentality in which is one of the service mentality and it's service mentality that that those organizations are more successfully pivoted? Now of. I'll tell you one of my favorite stories. There's a a pizzeria in Chicago. Demos Pizza and they made seventy percent of their revenue from selling slices. Now that right up pretty quickly and the law says you can't go to a restaurant anymore you can't you can't go get a slice of pizza anymore and they weren't equipped to To start selling pies and any other pizza place would have double down on the old business model. Which is how are we going to sell pizza? We gotTA survive right right. So what D- Did is. They looked at their. They looked at their resources. And they said we have a pizza oven and incentives the saying well pizza ovens over making pizza. They said pizza ovens are hotter than regular ovens. What can you do with a pizza oven? And they discovered that they can actually Bend Industrial Plastics. Because of the heat. That they can produce in. They're oven. They started buying dust grade plastics and making face shields for Hospitals Hamadan. Okay with their pizza of. That's an amazing pit in now. I just find that in May and then and then you have people who used to be waiters and waitresses delivering face shields to hospitals and pizza boxes. Like I just absolutely love that game. That is a great story and pitting isn't just the business it's also the employees. Which is you may have. You may have to do a completely different job now than you used to do. There's another restaurant in New York City Called res- Dora is a fine dining place Only it was only nine months old when when the shutdown started to happen And you know. They had to convert to a delivery system which they've never had before and he didn't anybody off. What he said was hey waiters and waitresses all my servers. Are you willing to pack food and help organize they up? They said you absolutely are doing the job done before they changed their jobs. And the successful pivots. You're seeing that. You're seeing people Develop a new business model and people are changing what their jobs are and when they come out the job specs and the list of jobs that the company performs will be entirely different than than than the when then when they went in. That's fantastic and I love that and and it is inspiring and it. It's the difference between fretting events to. How do we get back to normal to? What does that even mean? That's that's that's a nonsensical word. Like this is what trying to figure out how to you know. Take care of what needs to be taken care of right in. There's no going backwards. I had a conversation interviewed a guy for the show. He's a independent Jim onery started his own business up in the Kansas City area. And you know nothing. Unique about having a JIM particularly difficult to compete against all the big name brands. And everything else but you know. Obviously his livelihood is was was around training no mass classes in training people in personal trainers in this guy and he had a handful of personal trainers probably eight to ten subcontractors that were personal trainers but he's he has this infinite mindset this kind of servant leadership mindset and When this happened and they were shut down and no one's coming to the gym. The first thing he did is he went to all of his personal trainers in each personal trainer had a relationship with the customer. Say Twenty customers a piece of something to that effect who've have been each experiencing live with him in and he says. I don't WanNa Laniado Still WanNa pay you reaching out to all your your clients and see what we can do to to help. And so these personal trainers who were normally in the gym teaching how to do burpee or whatever were now going to their customers house calling him personal each each of their clients. What do they were serving the bringing groceries to whom they were doing things that are coming to the personal meal plans how to exercise at home and it led to him having a complete online presence where their current clients could get online. They can see their customize at home workout plans meal plans everything else. Just totally pivoted. It was almost like I just thought it was amazing. You know love the yeah and I think we have to remember in the business world. These are not unprecedented times. These president times another not right. The the You know we many times over. We've seen political cultural or technological change. That is completely shattered and shuddered In entire industries the invention of the Internet put every video rental store out of his right blockbuster. Dead right exactly right. They could have adapted but but they didn't. You know the the the one of the great examples blockbuster blockbuster was the eight hundred pound gorilla. The only significant national video rental chain in the country and when the Internet started to show up We knew streaming was coming down the pike but the technology wasn't there and this new company called Netflix. Showed up. And if you remember you could have. You could subscribe and you could keep the the. Dvd's that they would mail to your house for as long as you want it remember and they were preparing for streaming They're experimenting with a new business model and the CEO of blockbuster went to his board. And said I think we should start to experiment with subscription model and the board would not let him because the company made twelve percent of its revenues from late fees. That's right that's right talk about shortsighted and now blockbuster does not exist anymore. Netflix's literally determining the future of television and movies will remember when even it was going on the same time in net flicks started getting the streaming. And I remember next was almost mocked in the media about what a stupid idea was and but the point is is that is that the Internet challenged companies and industries The ones that saw the opportunity to pivot and change completely adapt their business models to meet. What would be a new future thrived And other industries double down on old business models. They hunker down and they said how do we keep selling what we've been selling and there? If they survive they play defense to this day. They're playing defense. Like why is it that the publishing industry did not invent Amazon and wise at the publishing industry did not invent the e-readers think about that. They did not invent the e meter. Amazon invented the Kindle. Right. That's mind blowing to make. It's because they double down on selling books as opposed to recognizing the Internet was going to change the way. The market worked Why is it that that that apple invented is tunes and not the music industry? Why did the computer company Invent Music Distribution System for songs and not the music industry because the music industry was too busy trying to sell US albums sold at tower records in h? Completely missed the fact that the Internet had changed us from an album culture to a song culture? And and and so you see how you know company after company. Md industry after industry misses opportunities and is forced to play defense where unknown companies or companies outside of these industries are completely doing all the reinvention And this is what it means to pivot. The point is it's not unprecedented. Yes it's more sudden it's more aggressive. You know the Internet took years to come in. This is this is. This was a couple of months weeks to to to shudder to shut our entire industries. But but the point is is from a business standpoint. Just companies know how to adapt and it's the ones who see opportunity in different and are able to say. What do we have that still has value? And let's find an entirely new way to deliver it as opposed to the old way They they will they will. They will come out of this a different company and dare. I say stronger for the future. Well the timing of your book is is impeccable. I guess I mean I think if somebody wants to look at the where we're at. There's no better time and you know you lay out the five steps of we talked a little bit about advancing. Adjust 'cause again that's wrapping your arms on something that's bigger than yourself building that trust not as we talked about studying the worthy rivals of really haven't talked about but it is to your point. You know making sure you understood. It's great to have a worthy rival right. I mean you look at Documentary now. That's on that great on. Espn the last dance. We have been watching that at all with having a amazing but getting kind of what drove Michael Jordan the Bulls. He always had a worthy rival right. That was always his his his driving factor. And then you talk about preparing for existential flexibility and demonstrate the courage to lead. I think it's a great roadmap for anybody. That's the great thing about. It is all the stuff you talk about. Is intuitive mean everything that is wrapped around it or natural? Laws are not like anything anybody's in minute it's just getting back to what is already there for your discovery right. That's how I see it and I think this crisis has revealed to two things which is the stupidity of playing a finite game in in the in in the infinite game of business with a finite mindset in the beginning of business where we used to have competitive. We tried to beat. What does that even mean? Right? It's completely nonsense because there's no agreed upon Anything no agreed upon metrics timeframes. And there's no finish line and now in these times like trying to outdo your competition is actually silly idea. The question is how do we? How do we make how do we? How do we make our companies stronger at we? Had We look after ourselves? How do we compete against ourselves? And yes? We'll look at our competition to see what they're doing so we can learn from them rather than trying to outdo them beat them and it's become very clear that trying beat your competition in this marketplace is just ridiculous I don't think there's any key obsessing about their competition right now and that's what should be all the time we should be obsessing with trying to improve our own state and our own our own product our own service and learning from our our competition learning from our worthy rivals that their strengths revealed to us our weaknesses. And that's where we learn to improve. I I did make one glaring error In in the book I talk about this concept of existential flexibility and I said most leaders will will may never have to go through their whole career or once or twice the absolute most and here. We are in hill where every leader has to go through existential flexibility. I got that prediction. Wrong will almost consensus. It's a rare occurrence. Yeah I'll give you pass on that but I mean I think it's it is simple to understand it's easier saying how that's why I love your book and all the stuff that you do by the way but it but it is hard because as human beings you know it's it's difficult to stay in that infinite mindset. It really is because we're easily for whatever reason pop cultural or human nature were seduced into that tonight. It's it's so seductive to to stay in the nightmare mindset. I mean it's something that I struggle. I mean as much as I harp on the infinite game. I'm seduced by it all the time right. I mean I have to battle every day from a leadership standpoint the always play the long game and and that's what sucks about. Leadership is a symptom. You don't see the results for a very long time or till long after you're gone but that's the mindset that we have to have though because it is about making the camps better than you found it it's about making the place better than you found it right exactly right and we we overuse sports analogies whenever we're talking about business and the problem with using a sports analogy in the infinite game sports the game ends right and this is very important to remember in the final game the game ends but the players survive so the Yankees will play the red sox. The game will end. It'll become took an absolute conclusion but the Yankees and red sox will survive to to play another day in the infinite game. It's the opposite. It's the players that go away. It's the game that continues. There's there's been many many companies that have gone bankrupt but the game business continues with them or without the game perpetuates the players that come and go that's very different and to ourselves to an infant mindset means we have to change our analogies we change our metaphors and I prefer metaphor of of living a healthy lifestyle instead of sports analogies. So for example If you want to live a healthy lifestyle you have to eat. Well you have to exercise. You have to get sleep and nurse your personal relationships and it is totally valid at. It's totally okay to have finite goals. Let's say you WANNA lose X. amount of weight by X. Date. Go right ahead. That's fine and you'll weigh yourself every day and the metrics exciting metrics keep us motivated and the goal keeps US motivated. Vinai Finite Games are very very important And if you hit that goal you hit if you lose the weight by the date. You're very excited. But here's the problem. You have to keep working out for the rest of your life. The game doesn't end And it's the same business. Congratulations you hit. Whatever goal but it keeps going like. It's it doesn't it doesn't stop and what happens if you missed the goal. If you don't lose the amount of weight that you wanted to lose by a certain date you know what happens nothing? Nothing happens in fact you're probably healthier now than you were when you started and the date and the goal was arbitrary anyway so if you keep working at it you'll hit the goal a couple months later and it's the same in business if you missed the arbitrary date that you've been doing all this the right things it's okay. You'll hit the goal a month later. It's fine and you're probably a healthier company because of it and so when only dues incentivize people to hit arbitrary dates on arbitrary Arbitrary numbers. Unfortunately they doing it along the way. They're not necessarily doing things the right way they might do damage the organization goals are. They're important and they are a guide and they're there to motivate But we have to think of business and any infant game like more like a lifestyle rather than finite game. Yeah I love that I mean. It's a great analogy. You're absolutely right. It's like you know the goal is a healthy lifestyle in. That's a grand umbrella. That never ends until you assume room temperature right and so it's the difference of of kind of like when I look at A flight plan which I got a whole series of finite metrics to see how I'm doing along the way but I don't measure success by each waypoint that I hit exactly right there there for measurements to see if I'm on track but that's not the you know the ultimate objective and you could even take it further while to to get you to the other end save with no burnt medal and no dead bodies but the longer term is like I want to create an airline. Where you know. It's about the experience right in the reliability and the trust and you can just extend it. Your analogy is a good one. Because they're absolutely finite components in the infinite game of American Airlines right so you you want the gate agents to think about a finite game you want that plane to leave on time and everybody's on board you know beginning middle and end easily measurable And that's it same with your flight like there's a beginning middle and end easily measurable we and we want to get. We want arrive on time or early right. This is the goal now. The infinite mindset component of that is you don't want the gate agents screaming at people Because then they won't fly airline again so they might get that that that one flight off on time but do long-term damage the airline. You want them to have a concept of the long term. Same with you. Which is you? Don't WANNA push the aircraft to its to its to its limits. You might get there early but do such damage to the aircraft right that that. It'll be taken off line for so long to be repaired. That not only the cost The cost the airline. It does long term damage. And so you way these things ray up treating people right treating customers right treating employees right putting people first all of these things ensures longevity and the ability to thrive in the infinite game But it's not the aspects of the final game it's again the final game. Infinite Games the context within which the final game exist. Well I could talk. You've hours about this. I mean your stuff is great as always Anyway the reason why you're so successful what you do you write in such a a commonsensical way and it's a message that needs to be the heard consider A welcome home here dose of leadership on proud to have unit dose of leadership tribe. And everybody this listen to this needs to get his book also too. I was noticing a pivoting unnoticed. During this that you've started a a lot of live online classes. And what a great idea in. Just some of the topics. Of course you're jumpstart your Y. How delivered accept feedback the infinite game which we just talked about hair how to build trust so and so on. I mean congratulations on that and so I'm really sort of inspired by team. We went through our own pivot. Which is we had the saint. We made most of our money from live events. Right let dried up pretty quick and we didn't just double down what we used to do. We didn't say okay guys. We keynotes now fine keynotes online. I'm really proud of the fact that we took chapter in in my book about existential flexibility and we basically followed we said okay. What's our call us. We what values do we. What value do we have that the world still needs? And how do we deliver it for the conditions? The political cultural technological conditions in which were existing today and so. We've completely. Reinvented our business. We've we've now We've We've done all of these online classes but what it was very important for us to do them live because we cared talk about so much about the human relationship that it was essential for us to do live classes And we basically turned around. Our entire company came up with all of these classes. Put them online within a few weeks. Didn't months and months worth of work in a few weeks and just like we talked about before their folks on my team doing entirely different jobs job that they were doing three months ago. They entirely different job. Now you know and it's kind of amazing. It's kind of been amazing. An exciting to watch to watch my team pivot and And so I can say with with with with great pride that that this thing called. Existential flexibility is absolutely learnable. A do all these great. I mean congratulations on that. And and the price is is is right. It's decent and I think you're onto something pretty bizarre goal. Yeah very good house else. People reach out to you and connect with you. You know all the usual places you know. You're Lincoln's and Instagram's and facebook's and twitter's I think even have a pinterest now yeah it's like all the usual yeah you're to find. Yeah and then. The website is just my name. Simon Sinek DOT COM have links to this and to the courses which I think is great and so I encourage all my listeners to the checkout Simon's new book obviously which I think is should be mandatory reading for that infant mindset and then check out his courses which You know be intentional. Especially during this time when we're sheltering in place it's a great way to stay on top of it. So thanks for coming on the show Simon and hopefully it won't be five or six years till we talk again. Thanks Richard thanks for having me. I really appreciate that. Thanks so much for tuning into this show. I hope you got some value out of this episode. If you did please do me a huge favor. Tell somebody about this show. 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DLD 283: Death by a a thousand cuts

Dots, Lines & Destinations

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DLD 283: Death by a a thousand cuts

"So she since they the usual fifteen minutes at a time and that two and two hours fifteen minutes two hours twenty minutes. I decided to call it and the guys were about to board a half hour later. Four hours listening to dots lines and destinations travel podcast with host. Stephen Seagraves Vase Moon. And Seth Miller Hello and welcome to episode two hundred eighty three of ducks lines and destinations. I am Stephen. Seagraves joined by Seth Miller and false mood. Gentlemen our healthy healthy for now for now. Yeah you guys you guys like stocking up yet your toilet paper because I have my four years of toilet paper. We POSCO UP here. No it should be there now. Costco's somewhere down in Massachusetts. That's not true. There's Nashua is there forever but I remember like an hour away so I think I think maybe the the Massachusetts will not be closer. Because we're there on the highway yet dependent independent where you are but neither is national 'cause missiles go to shop tax-free oh yeah makes sense. So so we do you. Have you set? You have a costco membership. Never have that would be a factor. Yeah you costco. You can buy a member man trader. Joe's is good. Cook those There's a trip just down the way we are by talking to the grocery store here the pricing is right. They textures as right. I prefer I enjoy. It's It's a one ply but quilted one. Lots of interesting sort of hybrid choice. It comes from It's an actual habit for this. I can't put talking about this on the show. Our House in New York had a hundred year old piping plumbing our retrofit once or twice but very bright piping and plumbing and the two black clogging it so we had to find a comfortable one ply so that I didn't have to keep Snaking the toilet and I've just stuck with that brand since New Place similar age. I don't feel like you know testing that experience again. So it was like self-preservation really got understand and and it seems that we are curious. I have plenty of. Actually I buy it at target or at the grocery store depending on. Who's telling US sale that week and had bought two jumbo packs? Just because we have enough space to store. I bought that in late January so we have plenty of but not not because of this just because that's how I buy it normally. I mean that's typically what we costco. It's like you buy like your two months. Supply routes just about two months typically a familiar with the usage rates. Because we both work from home anyway so the whole life. Nobody's doesn't change our consumption adding so should we just pivot and go the Japanese Muslim? Nobody's I'm not a fan on. I am not do feel that. It's more of a female thing to truly appreciate the We'll give my wife credit when earlier this evening. Were finishing up dinner. She says is it true. That men really don't wash their hands in the bathrooms. Generally may is that why we take so much longer. The bathrooms than men because Russia. Washing our hands. Anything else and I had to give some credit for. That might be right. You know from what I've seen Been are terrible at washing their hands in the restroom I told you guys the story of the gentleman that I saw at O'hare wearing a full face mask who use the urinal and not just a face mask us like a painter. Space Mass like the the the two big nozzles on each side and then use. The restroom interceded walk out without Washington's Darwin. Awards folks keep it simple stupid. I think One of the things that we need to talk about his just general airline cuts so that's kind of what this corona virus scare and a passenger lull. I would call it or depression I would call it is is really triggering rights Yeah I mean. We're we're recording this on evening and sorry we're late again. This week. We had another guest plan with special thoughts and a reason they were late but that fell through so But you know one of the. I'll say benefits of being a little late to the game. This week is that we've actually had the experience of the J. P. Morgan Aviation Conference Today. And it was a virtual event so she goes to show you just how serious the situation is a investor conference where typically they bring the senior executives in from all the airlines in each hour two or half an hour to present to gather groups and then they do a meet and greet private meetings in a dinner at Temple. Big Thing Quality Boondoggle Was done for airlines by teleconference today. So I if that's not a metaphor. I don't know what is and and the news from that. Teleconference was not much cut. Cut cut cut cut cut everybody except for Alaska Airlines. That spoke today on and it was the. Us carriers that you'd think of minus southwest. I'll spoke so jetblue and bigger Mina South West All spoke today all said that They were cutting service and most of them had announced it some way some form Alaska Airlines is not cutting margin April but currently has a three and a half percent cut in. May and that's sort of the telling thing is like they're pulling for May they they see the future demand not recovering for a long time United is Scott. Kirby said he thinks it's eighteen months before demand returns to its pre corona virus level. So call it like whatever we were at the end of December but he also said SARS was a fourteen month cycle and they're they're extending a little bit so and if if I was to look at what like I add his out from SARS. Their version of the chart came back much quicker. I don't know visit. United was slower or the industry was really slower than I added. Sort of lying about the numbers are pushing version that they liked But there's some interesting things to consider there but everybody's cutting American pulled ten percent or seven percent of domestic going forward and a bunch of international cuts and international cuts are going longer term than really interesting to me there. This isn't a week or month even at a time anymore. You know going back to vases comment from a few weeks ago. Where there's where he said they're cutting month we at time with each passing week. Another month is scheduled. That's really where we're at now in this. Is that simply? Think lack of demand tree backup. If the corona virus was to disappear to the airline seat those months as the time it would take to get demand back to where it was. Yeah it they they just. They don't see the demand coming back a lot of references. Essentially there are some differences of opinion. There was a lot of things that were some of it. Some differences of opinion a lot of comments about the travelers still today are all still spring break travel that was previously booked into people. WanNa throw away. But that future bookings aren't happy as much aren't happening as much So that's part of it. There's also the question of can you induce travelers by dropping. There's enough and Scott Kirby from United's basically said dismissive manner said I didn't even realize there's another theory. Then people could still be convinced to travel if it's cheap enough. Because they were worried about travelling because they want to get sick At the same time Alaska Airlines and everything said you know. We said something like that. We ran a sale last week just to test the waters and people buy tickets and me. I'm more than we expected. Know What's interesting? I was looking airfares. Given how empty allegedly empty flights are airfares are still high. Yeah and we can close in far out how far less than seven days. Yeah you would think like if you've got empty flights now you'd start filling them but they're not so the one comment that. I think it was American. I think Doug Parker said they did a similar thing where they released some of their. You'll controls but it was still focused on greater than seven days out so they're still not. Bush is interesting because I think the theory there is business. Travelers aren't traveling and if they do decide to travel they'll pay whatever it costs they're still trying to pick up some of the uncertain leisure travel but not willing to give up business revenues where it might happen but is that shortsighted right like I pretty much every comp- company that I know of has some sort of not travel policy in place at this point right and is that Short Ferris. Yeah exactly so but so now are you better off dropping fair so any people who can still travel jumped on the opportunity or do you just hold out for the occasional person. Pay Walk upstairs. They're choosing the ladder. I think they end. So that's the big question is. Has the market really changed? Has Anyone will people buy these fares? Just because they're cheap. I think inside seven days. The answer is typically no anyways. I'm looking I've been tracking affair For a trip that I'm almost certain won't happen but to buy for anyways and it ended in mid April end of April. The twenty eighth in it only just now dropped thirty dollars and yet it's the basic economy so don't even drop it never mind and it's still a nonstop. Transplant took fifty dollars. Two hundred fifty five which is high for high for six weeks out high for the market in high for what I want to pay but I mean that's the thing right. There's there's story I saw on twitter earlier. That was in pretty much empty. Seven eight seven ten between San Francisco Newark. And it's like why would you even fly that empty versus dropping the fair and getting people into seats and the the argument is from united that dropping the Fairwood and fill this anyways. But if you'd be argument from Spirit was we can fill seats. We ARE FAILING TO COMPANY. Eighty-three percent in our eighty. Two percent load factor. He just said they drop their yields with United States. This is what I don't understand if you can get ten people in those seats it's some revenue versus nothing once plane pushes back. It's spoiled inventory and what I've been watching his pretty much on every flight. You can get awarded inventory for any class but they will not drop fares yes to the ruling to let you burn miles which doesn't actually give them any cash but they won't actually take cash takes the debt off the books. Sure but at a time when their cash in a cash crunch? Wouldn't you want the cash? Yeah absolutely I mean I do find interesting so I'm looking two weeks out desired. I have to come back to Montreal. In two weeks of the last week of March flood was at the thirtieth the two weeks three weeks the thirtieth through the second and I'm looking at fairs and coach is anywhere from four hundred dollars round trip to nine hundred dollars round trip. None of the timings are great. All requiring pretty much doubled connections because they've killed off all of the single connection flights so that's where we're at that an answer this and that's the demand approach to this problem trimming they satisfy trimming multi-frequency routes and they're trimming off peak days and accept your lasca anything. That's off campus Montreal. Jasper there are obvious. Yeah it's it's interesting to me because you know like I don't want to take it to our CR J from Chicago to Montreal. But maybe I'll be forced to do that. I don't know. Is it a five fifty at least know insist? It's a two hundred sweet but anyway so on top of these compass call today right. There's been other cuts around the world at Italy's basically been cut off from surrounding neighbors right and multi believe was one of them Zura Switzerland and Austria closed their borders with with Italy It Interesting Times. We're living in Italy. Went from where my slitting seventeen million people about a quarter of the population in the north to everybody in the span of thirty six hours. Yeah Lufthansa went from cutting about twenty five percent of our scheduled tour cutting half of our schedule in less than forty eight hours Delta went from where trimming a few things and whatnot making Announcements to all of it all of Italy's closed off between Friday. They had announced Friday Sunday. And Tuesday. I mean just the number of different things that's going on Sri through the list. Singapore Airlines is now saying they're up to thirteen percent kite overall through their network as of Monday morning and that was an additional six percent almost doubling what they'd previously announced for cuts and those are going through May Korean is down eighty percent on international capacity. Air New Zealand's down ten percent overall all the way through June including twenty six percent to Asia Just reading through my list here of Jet Blue is of the airlines cutting in the US so excluding Alaska's down five percent probably will cut more based on some of the internal memos they've been sending around Alitalia's screwed because all of Italy's closed Lufthansa's also grounding it's three eighties. Some one report had them flying a thirty five percent load factor on the threes thirty five said. Cathay grounding its has grounded are suspended half of its destinations fifty one hundred six destinations by the end by mid March including nothing to Japan or Korea almost nothing into China mainland China. It's an eighty percent of its frequencies was the other Singapore's also Qantas is grounding. Almost all of its eighth raves. As well as it makes major cuts so the three eighty was a huge in theory opportunity in super-credit airports move tons of people but it turns out if no one's move if you don't have tons of people to move around It's I don't I don't know if you saw cafes actually now running flights just cargo in China Commercial Passenger Passenger planes with On them yeah. I did see that. What's the was the goal there is it. Just the delicate just wants the goal with keeping those planes in the air because they have seven. Forty seven freight traffic. There is demand for Minimum amount of cargo that used to flying those planes anyways. So I mean you know. A couple of containers are there other goes on a smaller plane. As you're not gonNA fall cargo carrier for that even if you did like a flag stop sort of thing. It just doesn't work right so I mean when I think about this like you're talking about numbers that are greater in some cases greater than fifty percent of Ascot's. Yes how do you? How do you run an airline Where do not actually running an airline? You're running a almost a point to point charter service. Like that's some of these carriers are doing at this point that I should point out. We didn't mention any of the Chinese carriers so the Chinese carriers of kind of Bang. They've cut capacity massively. What's what's the numbers there. The number I've let me pull it up while we're talking here. Eighty percent was typical And that was eighty percent of flights canceled. It's unclear what the loads were on. The flights. That were was very very low. SYRIAN CR which is a the data arm of flight global which is a major news journalism. Whatever the hell we used to be good date on this page. They moved it to launch resolution. Here we go. It's a different than the last one. I clicked on sorry from the same person. They basically have been analyzing day by day. What the cuts look like. And so the data they're showing here is between January first March tenth. The number of scheduled flights domestically within China was nine hundred thousand a hair under five hundred thousand operated so forty five percent reduction in what operated and that's a they removed more than a quarter of the flights from the schedule as of this weakening a where when it peaked. They had removed eighty percent. I mean it was insane and even of the Math my head now so there were thirteen thousand. Total flights. Ten thousand were removed. Two thousand flew in eleven hundred canceled. And how many people around that was. Mid February in early March when the government stopped the Corentin stopped big with SPF orange. And you're told airlines. They had start flying again. You believe The numbers increased and so in March. I flew six thousand of the twelve thousand flights with the other six thousand either removed from the schedule or cancelled on day of travel and then that number has started to drop again day by day and whatnot depending on a variety of things but not good and on the international side. It's similar there about half have half. The flights did not fly and the vast majority have just been removed from the schedule. And again we don't know load factors but I'm GONNA go ahead and they're pretty low so so comes back to my question. How do you how do you? How do you make any money doing this yet? Don't the ones that are cut significantly? The severely can't be making money. There's I also. I really love the term voluntary unpaid. Leave that out there. I don't know that means other than like you don't have a job you just you still have a job or just not paying you to do it so you should go into a different job. But I don't understand We'd like you to come back eventually. It's not quite a furlong. I guess it's like Jerry. You calling in the morning and see if they need you little bit. I mean these guys. They airlines expecting people to take a couple months off a couple of days or hours. Yeah but here's I mean you know there's a couple of things that have been thinking about what this is a. This is a horrible time for Union to start negotiating Sharon. We assume you negotiations on the table but more and more. Interestingly this puts a in a really bad spot having negotiated with a bunch of their units and just it just makes me wonder of how this is. GonNa play out and will a end up in bankruptcy again. I think is probably too early to. Oh absolutely it's too early but but the other thing that I don't get is. This is a cyclical industry. Anyone who's seen district for more than a few years. Parker told US money glinted. Anyone who's competent leader in this industry would no. It's a cyclical industry will be prepared for such an event in their defense and I always want to defend airline. Ceo's but and who knows if they're really telling the truth but everyone of them who spoke today also talked about. We had the nine eleven. We had the financial crisis. We've seen these things happen. We are prepared for them now. Just have prepared. They are and what that actually turns into WHO KNOWS. But all of them claim that they're ready Parker another interesting statistic. Parker claimed they have the best balance sheet in terms of cash and liquidity Spirit Airlines? Put a chart together showing America at the right of the graph with the smallest But diverge was an it's absolutes versus percentages American. Talked about having the most just straight dollars. But also is one of the biggest airlines that number as a percentage of his trailing twelve months revenue was actually relatively small while airlines with smaller amounts of cash but also smaller operations had larger percentages. So that was interesting. Little Game Lies. Damn lies and statistics. You know it will so okay going back to your point about what Parker said Does American Abbott position to stay afloat with out of bankruptcy here if they're not they're not flying flights right of all the Internet of all the Big Three Right Delta United American in the US American had the smallest international footprint on Asian Asian. I would even argue international aside from London. They have. They've a very small international network. Even South America's contracted for them over the last few years. I would have to look at the. I don't know for certain I I know. I know the Asia side. I don't know the details. Let's just let's just take Asian though they have now cut a large chunk of that small. Yeah how how do you? How do you recover from that? I mean let's say travel doesn't pick up again for another two three months and that's and that's conservative. No THAT'S A. That's optimistic dad. Based on the airlines are saying Yeah American cancelled all of mainland through the end of the scheduled season which is October. They'RE GONNA not restart Hong Kong until July and then only three days a week. If I remember correctly I mean I gotta be honest with you. So this doesn't give me warm fuzzies about the airline industry in United States in the United States. Globally I mean this literally globally honestly the airlines in the United States. At least have each. Have you know a billion dollars or more to sit on? And don't get me wrong. You can burn a billion dollars pretty quickly if you're an airline but they've only got two billion dollars some of them have many billions of dollars united just got a two billion dollar loan delta says it has five billion in cash. I don't remember the number American us but it was in the several jet blue was over one. Alaska was over. One Spirit was one. They have some money. Fuel COSTS ARE GOING DOWN. Which again not enough to offset losses but of revenue. But you know it's happening the real question. There is an eighteen month thing or is that a twelve month thing is nine month as a six month thing but two or three months isn't is not what it is and they all are planning for that. Aren't Kirby rattled off numbers of not what he expects and he said this three times calls actually funding is like this is not our projection. This is what we're planning against Of what they are planning against four demand and revenue numbers for the next through the rest of the year and he expects it to still be is. They're saying seventy percent down next month and again from Archer for April but seventy percent drop in revenue for the month and it only slowly takes back to being twenty percent down year over year in. December. Is how their budgeting to determine what they're going to build out. And how they're gonNA operate the network. They are any and he said. This isn't the worst case scenario we've built but that's the one they're working against okay well and it's a different thing though. Is I think the ones that are in trouble. It's the international cares. Yeah maybe some country. Yeah Okay let's talk about international carries. Catholic that comes. That's the first one. The Newman comes to mind. Yup You and I have both asked the same person the same question about that Accidentally he's been a guest. I had him on a few months ago. Now who's a journalist based out in Hong Kong? He's he promises that they're fine. They're sitting in cash and they've got deep pocketed. The Swire Company investors. He says will pump some more cash and if they need it. That's a pride play in some ways. They want to get the airline on. Believe that yeah showing up so let's talk about all the taller than a carrier. That was already on the rock. Should it should have been dead. Yeah it's definitely dead now Jim. There is Ambi- calm at this point. I'd actually interested to see if they had like it's too late now. I would wonder if that any planes flying today. I did see some in the air so long haul but I didn't I didn't look at any SHAWL disppointed. They had to shut down their MELANIA. As of Monday morning our Sunday morning I forget which and then on top of that they said. We're going to Rome and then Rome shut down a day later so Not Great News. What about Korean? I think that's the other one. That's a risk the Korean Ivana rsvp Oh agreed both. Think Korean has broach the subject of possible state aid government help for keeping US off running. I mean Asia was probably weaker going into this but just sold if I remember correctly and I mean okay so Korean in Singapore. I mean every backed by the government. Correct maybe maybe I just WANNA out there. I remember now The one of the low cost carriers in Korea bought another one recently. And this is sort of a much-needed consolidation from an industry that definitely overbuilt itself by. They announced the deal. Well before this all happened and then suspended in renegotiated the purchase price and I cut it by thirty percent because the drop in demand but the demand the the routes at those low cost carriers operate our Korea to mainland China into Japan. Those are all markets that are facing significant cuts slash suspension slash government regulations as. They know grill. You can't fly your anymore. Yeah Yeah you can't sit with us So like Louis buying an airline. That literally has a route network. It's not allowed to operate doesn't really seem like a great player right now financially. What about Norwegian Virgin Atlantic Norwegian Cut? Its routes fifteen percents today and through. June? I think I'm so bad news. They're going into the peak summer season that they have an keep these cuts going there. They are one of the airlines that definitely more seasonally focused. That's why would really be looking the year round airlines. Probably do okay. Most because they're not so dependent on the summer peak to win on next year. It's the ones that need a strong summer to make it through the next year where I'd be really words. Norwegian definitely fits that Bill zones a Virgin Virgin Very very quietly grounded. Its last three eight three forty six hundred this week. When they've they've they've not been rolling in the cash for a while now now. But that's one just given the Heathrow when a few other things. I wonder what the circumstances would be around Delta pumping more cash and that's what I was GonNa ask was with Delta Kinda chip in and help. They're allowed to see the probably can't 'cause they're dirty aren't I think? So you do does Delta by the Klein Club program. I mean I guess that's a possibility. But that's what Eddie Hod did with Jet Airways to get around those ownership laws once and all the. Us carriers got pissy about it but then at the same day with Air Berlin for the same reason in the US carriers. Got Pissy about it'll be interesting to see one of the carriers turn on to play that game but we have good examples of where that tra- strategy hasn't worked. Yes so why would? Why would somebody do that? Given that hasn't worked yet desperation. I think the argument would be made that they are still transitioning Atlantic into a stronger player and rebuilding that route network Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. And it's a very situation in Berlin or Jet Airways that was super overextended and not much more competitive markets. But I would argue. That is true. I would argue that for journalistic is much more sensitive. Drop off in business travel just given the limited route network. Yes Seth could be a lobbyist for Delta based on that speech you just gave. I see how it's lobbyists gets paid. I have priced off can be bought. So so what do you think? Then I mean talking about fuel. Prices New the three or four sixes and stuff so oil has tanked because of separate things going on between Russia and Saudi Arabia at states loosely associated loosely associated Very loosely What what do you think can be? It's not like people can buy these hedges right like this. It's a great time to buy fuel hedges. If someone will sell up to you right shirking I mean what fueled I think? Hawaiian said they expect fuel to be down one. Thirty five a gallon on average for the quarter now or for the future look quarter. I can't remember Wich but some number. That was shockingly low relative to the two dollars that they'd been expecting guess Which is good news? Your fuel surcharges aren't going to go down. But I don't feel. Surcharges has nothing to do with fuel. Demand accepted Japan. Yes legally obligated to it. There's actually one country that regulates them so you know. Is the price of fuel going down enough to help some of these airlines? Stay afloat or a prompt him up. Give them a better position as the economy turns around when that require them to be flying. The flights saw at a time when the reducing the number of flights there the benefit dropped substantially as. Well as the question by the way Speaking of Lyon fuel in whatever and a lot of other things vase did you see Hawaiian had to ground three of its eighth. Three twenty one nieto's because apparently engineers just in January No surprise they. They initially wanting announcing all their cuts. They they actually said they're cutting Anita. Excuse me they're cutting Inchon on the Lunigiana Inchon. And they're cutting their overnight. Nato flight which is the one that splits time between Kona or together Kona and a Honolulu by the expected capacity won't drop due to operational needs and that phrasing was very interesting to me and I didn't look into it when I came out last night and it turns out that operational needs translates to. They've been flying more three thirties. That weren't going to Asia any more on routes to the mainland because three of their three twenty one's had engine issues and had to go in for earlier than planned man says it's in Q. One wondering why we saw we were having the three thirty back in Portland. That's why it's fries Time company I don't think about I don't think about it too much because we don't get them here. I mean are we. Are we reaching a point of a perfect storm for the airline industry between this virus between all the Jewish shoes the equipment outages and the Boeing fiasco by the way has taken another turn? I mean there's there's a lot of pressure on the airlines right now from all different directions. Do we see the market reset now? How do you reset by losing character? She does anybody outside the US. I think we're GONNA lose you. I don't think the was going to do that. But okay so we might lose some but do does the airline do the. Us airlines in two years look very different than they are today. Right for the last few years the airlines have been fattened pigs really enjoying the market and really suck it up and cutting you know taking fits left and right and marginalizing every last bit of profit but do we see a reset of some of that behavior so that I mean it brings up an interesting point because it also asked the question like with companies putting on travel bans You know a lot of these companies are also putting the travel bans in place because there may not be billable work or there may be a financial issues. Will that travel the travel? Business Travel Return quickly enough. Four prophets have the airlines to jump off. I mean I don't. I don't think the bread plate where work has stopped is just what I'm seeing at least my industry more and more remote stuff just because the uncertainty nor was the risk is not that the work has stopped. The work is still there. It's just people are pivoting to be more remote at this point just because the situation. Yeah I guess I have a biased. Take on that because so much of my work is Remote now anyways I've been doing with this. I was in New Jersey last week last month than I may have a trip Dallas sometime next month. We'll see if that comes or not but I like the stuff I've done for so long now has been give me remote access and credentials get your project on so I I know that's not everything at all actually prefer the onsite work in some cases. But I don't know I feel like they're still going. I feel like there's always talking to be business travel. It's going to be different for different reasons in different types of things and I feel like that's a constant evolution I don't have to have a discussion online this afternoon evening. About the number of people who spend more than five hundred dollars per ticket in inflation adjusted five hundred dollars is down sixty percent from two thousand one for one way fare. Now part of that is dot data which has some flaws in the way it calculates fares. And I have to talk to them about how they're dealing with that. But part of it is like the number of people buying like. Is it fewer people by first class seats as if people buying the decent you know this quote unquote sale price or right price? First-class seat in actually getting that instead of a horribly overprice economists hoping for an upgrade. I I don't know but when people say it's as bad for the airlines. I look at all the airlines talking about Up until earlier this year the billions of dollars they were making in the United States. It's it's hard for me to feel like airlines are unhappy with the situation in that context so I which is all back to the business travel. I know it's not it's GonNa look different tapping Just to take a quick break here. We had one of the listeners. Tweet Yussef end further. Show Mr Jason Rabinowitz a Mr Wilson Calvert note that says there's a presumptive case of of the Nineteen virus in Houston that returned from Italy via a Lufthansa flight united flight on March third so in business class so everyone on those flights that was in business class was potentially exposed I find it interesting that they limited on the tons of licenses coach plus I would think everybody in the cabin was exposed so if but if you did fly on March third you should On Florence to Frankford Frankford Houston on the United Forty seven. You should probably a Take a quick break on that exciting. Yeah Hey the real question there is. Why can't those notices be sent to the airlines? The airlines contact the passengers Last week last Tuesday there was actually testimony in front of Congress about that. Topic was interesting. The airlines suggested that they still don't have all that data because Otas in particular travel agents. Don't share passenger details of email and phone number and they can ask for it for emergency use gift which one would disqualify for. But I don't actually think it does It's more like if the plane crashes. Did we call by day? Aren't the Pacers are not obligated to share that when he checked in for an international flight to give some contact name and phone number. You don't have to so. There are some interesting context. They are by during that testimony. Someone I think it was joe leader from A Ex hinted that perhaps if the government told the booking comes that they had to share that data then it'd be easier for the airlines to collected redistribute that information to county health officials. Things out seems like a gap in by. How is it possible that an airline doesn't actually know who was on board and how to contact them six days later? Yeah exactly yeah. I'm plus I like. Is there finally one place in the world where privacy still exists? Ironically it's on an airplane now she by the WIFI standpoint. Interesting question could the airline amount. I mean there's not enough people by Wifi for that to be useful but they are on clearly could go back and check about Wi fi at least contact them even even if they don't even if they don't have those people mostly will have frequent flier numbers that helps united but also people are likely about direct anyways. Yes I kind of a dumb question for you says why did southwest not speak at this Teleconference today I don't know but that was a great opportunity for me to take a bathroom break and grab a snack. They had a slot scheduled and dropped out. And I don't know how long ago that decision was made interesting. Okay were you. Were you surprised? By how many airlines actually did report owns their numbers in terms whether cutting yeah I mean I mean just in kind of his time United's delayed any projections on revenue. Things Right Yeah. They still are. There's none none of our reporting revenue targets really The closest on that I think spirit gave some guidance not guidance. They gave some numbers. But they're not gonNA guidance. Okay okay so mean question for you guys. Would you still travel stride? I tried I did. I did travel it just go whereas intending to go. And Seth would you. Would you fly if the fare was right go somewhere? It's not a fair thing for me right now. If works need to be somewhere and I can't talk them out it just general principle than yes. I will I am more a believer in the contact. The concept of trying to help prevent these stretch. Not because I'm not traveling. I'm not because I think I will get sick and have problems but The more that people move more frequently through different places be faster. A disease can spread. There's a reason they do isolation and Orangina things like that and we know it's happening in the United States. We don't have much yet because the government has managed to produce test kits or there has out of their asses enough to report the statistics properly by. We know it's in the United States. There's something around twenty cases from a single conference in Boston the last week before that nowadays people have it. So it's not far from me And I don't need to be part of continuing that spread if I can avoid it. Yeah Yeah I think there's I think there's some general arguments out there and people are saying. Oh this is a great time to travel. I'm not scared I'm not scared either but Knowing that I could be carrying it you know in some way is a worrisome thing. I think you know I have to travel for work and I've been told I'm a hate this word. Essential South of yeah. I don't think I don't feel essential. But I'm essentially peppermint centennial. Yeah something like that so you know. I am on planes. I am cognizant of the fact that I'm exposed to a lot of people who could have this up so I was intrigued by a flight attendant friend of mine who has traveled to Japan a few times in the last month and now was we had a two week. Break off every districts for the month or whatever and was planning on doing a bunch of workers mother some repairs around the house kind of thing and he's relatively older she's in her eighties and she is somewhat compromised From Lung Capacity Situation and based on guidance from Vogue officials. He can't go. You can't go see his mother for two weeks. Just to be safe. Yeah knowledge is like I I would be a fool to risk compromising her in this way and also like you know. It's but that's what they're saying so he can't go do this work he's supposed to be mom and not critical and if it wasn't tricky find some else to do it for him. Marco horror but yeah I mean I think I think what speaks to this being bigger is you are now seeing a lot of cases pop up. Um with people who didn't travel who haven't been exposed to those who travel And have this. So it's there are people walking around. Who think they have a bad cough that have this and are giving it to other people so You know that's that's the state we're in. We also have people at the other end of the spectrum who think they're taking all these precautions but they really aren't super bad life. Yeah like pure not gonNA kill virus right. It's more bacterial that attacks but I the guy yesterday who paralleled his silverware in his diet coke before he drank. You're not supposed to consume. This agreed. Really. I don't know what I would even say he gets on with. The mask puts unglue tech's clubs bricks clorox. I don't know how he got claws through security for one pretty bright a jug of it. Wait now the Jug. But a bottle of clorox wipes actual chlorof- proceeds to wipe everything down. Nauseating everyone around him. Because you know when you're sitting at the gate there's a lot of airflow and then he does appear and the best part of it all is. He got the cold meal so even if there was something that was at least a warm meal years. Hope something's going to die if there's in it but he gets a cold salad. Why bother why even you need at that point? Yeah there's also the the irony as you said that the airplane part of air travel is going to have the best air quality. Which is I mean. It's not good air but it's at least filtered best yes agreed. So there's that What else do we have to talk about? Let's see Did you know that as seventy seven? Tenths don't have bunks in them. But Chris Yeah are they not gonna fly them long enough to apparently no bunks? I mean just from a pilot. I'm on twitter. Sadly no seven. No bunks are seven dashed ten aircraft. This limits them to medium range. I'm shocked by that. Referred a pilot bunks not but it ended ten so I replied Punks are the ones that are usually limiting magazine. A block of business but if you think about it whereas be flying those rights I think Middle East and some of the US rats but nothing definite west coast and the Mido. Us routes on the Super Weird in terms of their caress scheduling. They do. I think they can do three pilots without a bank not for for some of the east coast stuff. Maybe maybe not. I don't know there's something weird about the way they're set up but anyway that was. I thought just weird We are a little bit of information out. I know they're expensive and having whatever to Gary. But it seems super surprising to me. Not to bring not bunks on seventy seven for a carrier given its physical location. How they fly. Yeah I mean it you know like is the future hope for. Va Seventy seven to be kind of New York. Boston heavy mount sounds Middle East which is interesting. Because I don't think they have of course Gavin the desk since. I don't think do also a little weird to do that. I guess if you put a bunk on them do three pilot thing round trip as opposed to having pilots overnight but bet the Union would be pretty upset about that. So what do I have Flattened in Kinda covered this before but fly be is officially bankrupt and gone in administration because they call it in the UK The interesting part about the action. I have another thank you for reminding me the interesting about the flyby thing to me is that it was sitting on a dozen slots that Heathrow that have now returned to British Airways get returned to British Airways because they were ready slots that British Airways was required to lease slash gave to a competitor operate services. And that's what flyby was stealing so they don't have to another well. It's unclear if a if the regulators will require them to go to a different than new Burly remedy carrier and remedied is basically is a remedy for a merger or other commercial transaction. In this case it was tied to be. Am I being purchased by British Airways back in the day British Midland so again making sure that there's domestic competition that'd be a my head grievously providing Yeah it's an interesting one. The real question I raised. And so you know we all know that Jeff has been trying to get Heathrow slots and not having much of them for free certainly and then could could these slots Goto Jap Lewin as originally writing. The answer is no because Jeff was not gonNA break message flights within the United Kingdom them but an airplane that they can start running them this summer. With even if they wanted to But the counterpoint that I could easily see jetblue making is multiple. Different Airlines have tried to run domestic flights in the United Kingdom. It doesn't work. They're never going to be profitable. Those airlines should connect. Those cities should connect elsewhere in Europe or around the globe. And you should allow more nonstop competition at Heathrow to actually bring competition to Heathrow in Prices improve service for passengers. Could DO BOSTON BELFAST? Heathrow any scherer but no one would fly that so they don't have the price points that they want exactly like the Ba one recipe bird one out of London city true The seventy tends to have I okay. So that's new social for the Middle East The other thing I wanna talk about the UK. It's actually two one is the slots thing that we were just talking about With all of the cuts going on one of the biggest challenges for the airlines has been there are roughly two hundred airports globally that are slot restricted or controlled called muggles level three Slot constraints by definition and those when those slots are al Qaeda. Do not use the eighty percent of the time the airline forfeits the slot for next season and obviously given the cuts that have been announced into custody desired. The drop in demand airlines wanted to reduce those slot requirements More than a hundred of them more than half are in Europe so even American. It's announcement this morning. Said we're putting all this stuff and that's pending getting more details from slot authorities if they give us relief on the slot. Rules will more. It sounds like today that the European Parliament will Reasonably quickly introduced debate and approve a bill that allows suspension to occur. At least they don't have to bite the rule in Italy rights. Well presumably those local authorities are suspending. Local authorities have been suspended. All Chinese authorities in Shanghai and Beijing suspended because no one could operate their Hong Kong. Did the same thing in Hong Kong but has been on a short-term basis. Hong Kong only just agreed yesterday or today to allow all airlines to have the suspension valid through the full summer season. Toews over. Yeah through that through October. Twenty fifth which is when the seasons which is again From March twenty nine talked over. Twenty fifth is the next cycle so at the summer. Slots are generally considered more valuable than the winter slots northern summer so Worth worth thinking about worth understanding. That's just an interesting situation with how that's going to play out is unclear if it'll be just through the first half of the summer of the full summer for the European thing in it's not finally fully approved yet but it is coming but this is the it's the irony to me in many ways as the airlines made the argument of you want us to be friendly but now you're forcing stop right. Goes FLIGHTS TO KEEP OUR OPERATIONS. Because they're made they all said did fly. M- empty rather than their slots because they are taking longer term view of the markets So anyway that's happening but the other fund. Uk thing that I want to bring up is the UK has announced to believe the ASA K which is the European Akram. That's European Something Aviation Safety Association. Administration of whatever it's the FAA of Europe in many ways they handle aircraft certifications and safety rules and all that sort of stuff and the UK had been a participant and now has said F that where our own country leaving a you and we're taking our safety aviation certifications with us Which say they've always had a civil aviation authority? Aeronautical Whatever They've had the CIA. They'RE GONNA it's always existed. But now it's going to run. Its own set of rules. Its own certifications. It will not subscribe to the EPA rule set anymore so does this increased tension between the continent and Rolls Royce. Yes and all of the Airlines Licensing Pilot Licensing Pilot Training Schools on the in the UK. Now right typically you had your license. Reciprocity because it was part of the acid was valid everywhere and now it's not and all the schools have to decide. Are they run a union? Who knows the curriculum rhapsody? Right will be any different. I don't know the truth. It may just be literally signing extra piece of paper. Take an extra copy of the test. It also could be some differences and so uh negotiators interesting that is one more thing that all now has to be negotiated but the aircraft certification especially going to be really interesting one in terms of A. They've got a build up that functionality. That asks the again because it's not something that they do regularly today and it's going to need to do it again by the ear in theory can build something like that up so quickly going to be real interesting to try of one last. Uk thing is the new cross rail now open between Heathrow to basically the east side. That's still not still not open. It's delayed what they did was fast. Sometime Lester Heathrow connect disappeared and became a PF L. Rail. So you can now use your card out of Heathrow but the store only run every thirty minutes cross real delayed okay. I mean that's coming right. That's supposed to be pretty soon. You'll be able to go all the way to sh- infield yeah I mean it's it's great if you're going to central London because it goes through breakdown Oxford Street were all the hotels and stuff are in that area. I was just wondering I I had watched a video about. It wasn't sure I was trying to find some information on only thing I could find was supposed to open in late. Two thousand eighteen. It'll still open before Berg Berlin airport hey. Hey that's who. Let's not get crazy. I wanted to change the updated the schedule on it. Yeah I was GonNa ask you guys you guys. WanNa meet in Berlin and be there for the opening. Twenty twenty two. We find the fire alarm just since we fit. Let's finish this finishing on London. Because we've been talking about it a lot lately. The on again off again Heathrow. Express upgrade for starlings members as back If you have a star lines gold status with any of the twenty whatever carriers that programs and you buy a regular ticket on Express you're allowed to sit in first class and just show your regular ticket and your gold card to the conductor if you're if you're the type that he threw expresses a good deal or useful to you directionally This is a way to make them more comfortable for those goals that you can plan your express trip two weeks out or more. It's actually not much more than anything else. So the the they really get you for the walkup sort of you know you're going to be there by your ticket ahead of time and it's actually not that much more than any other way of getting to central London. No you're going to be. There is a train specific or is it just as specific leave. It's day specific. So that's not terrible train specific that'd be yards delays you. You can't every fifteen minutes. How do you pick a train? Oh before maybe since. We're talking about Heathrow so much there's GonNa be another Heathrow puts flight from that's right talking or Nice Nice. Oh it's part of the Qantas cuts alluded to earlier grounding a bunch of their three eighty s The Singapore Ba McHugh One and two that go via Singapore the property. I grew up Are there grounding? The threes are most of the threes and switching that flight to seventy seven which reduces it two hundred and fifty. Seats are more than half. And they're gonNA routed over Perth because that's where there's demand took him to do double daily now on Through and I don't know what the timing offsets are going to be. But they're definitely on it. And as a result they're close in First Class Lounge in Singapore because Singapore went along with First Class seats on it April twentieth when that goes away through September. I didn't even know they had their first class on. Yeah it's been pretty nice and falls Niagara Falls through Chicago Brisbane. In April. That's delayed definitely six months six months. Today it's not indefinite date. Yeah there's a lot of people seem think switch should go look at my reservation for that. Let's see what did I say as for people not flying immediately? Like don't don't be the person who need to Than it needs to have everything fixed the first day if you've got time it's okay well and the isn't it fluid enough like something. In April that we know is going to be moved to October. It could change even more so just wait and you're not the original SEO. I get one free but if you only have changed a lock it in yeah wait wait. See what this does and then call now. I've got A. I've had a friend WHO's been. His parents are trying to go or were scheduled to do a Cape Town Singapore trip from the US Nice vacation And kept it but didn't WanNa go now and trying to figure out the details And I kept saying well. You know it'll probably get better approximated. Wait until you have to make a decision slowly but surely the rules have loosened. Now it's book anytime. We waive the injuries. Not only new bookings and things like that so could call well guys. I think that's a show for the cuts by So until next time listeners you can find us on twitter at DOTS. Lines or DOTS. Lines DOT COM Message Lewis tweet. We'd love to hear kind of what you're seeing in your travels so happy drills.

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Wall Street Breakfast June 29: What Moved The Markets This Week

Wall Street Breakfast

08:39 min | 1 year ago

Wall Street Breakfast June 29: What Moved The Markets This Week

"The morning today is June twenty-ninth. You're listening to seeking alpha the leader and market news and analysis. I'm Steve Brown. And this is Wall Street, breakfasts, new Saturday, Bishen, what moved markets this week. A look back on the prior week to recap the key stories and market movers. If you had any feedback listening, contact us at WSB pod at seeking alpha dot com. We would love to hear from you subscribe to this podcast on Google play apple podcasts. I tunes soundcloud Stitcher or Spotify. Wall Street breakfast is presented by Invesco every day at Invesco. We bring together ideas with technology data with inspiration and investors with solutions. Let's invest in greater possibilities together. Find out more at Invesco dot com slash together. Seeking alpha will be launching its newest podcast. Let's talk ETF's on Wednesday, July tenth. Let's talk ETF's is seeking office podcast, dedicated to the exchange traded fund space hosted by longtime ETF enthusiasts seeking his own. Jonathan lists the podcast features long form conversations with ETF issuers asset managers, index providers and investment advisers to explore the ways in which ATF's continue to evolve. Subscribe to this podcast on apple podcasts. Google play Spotify war, whichever podcast platform, you prefer. Stocks closed out a stellar June on a winning note boosted by gains from big Bank stocks, after they raised their dividend payouts, and share repurchase plans, the S and P five hundred rose six point nine percent for the month marking its best June performance since nineteen fifty five and four point five percent for the quarter halfway through twenty nineteen the SNP has surged seventeen point four percent its best, first half of the year since nineteen Ninety-seven into quarter, rebalancing lightly factored into today's action, but investors, top focus was the Trump she meeting scheduled for tonight with the consensus view that the two sides will agree to keep talking, and withhold any additional tariffs. Fedex sued the US Commerce Department saying the Trump administration's export restrictions would require the company to quote police the contents of the millions of packages it shifts daily, even though doing so is a virtually impossible task but ex had previously ignited Chinese ire over its business practices. When a package containing away phone sent to the US was returned last week to its cinder in Britain in what it says was quote operational error fears that China would blacklist firm as a result said FedEx shares down two point seven percent on Monday. A series of fed comments trimmed hopes of a big July rate. Cut weighing down. Wall Street benchmarks on Tuesday, fed chair Jerome Powell declared the central Bank was quote, insulated from short term political pressures while Saint Louis fed president James Bullard, the most dovish of the FOMC's voting members declared that a fifty basis point rate cut in July would likely be quote overdone giving the underlying strength of the US economy, traders are now pricing in a one hundred percent chance of July reduction in the fed funds rate and a seventy three point three percent chance of two more cuts between now and the end of the year. Boris Johnson, the front runner to be the UK's next prime minister toughened his Brexit rhetoric with a quote, do or die pledge to lead the EU on October thirty one. He also said he would scrap Theresa May's withdrawal agreement and seek completely new deal before, then as minor changes would not satisfy him. Not only has the you said it will not reopen the withdrawal agreement, but the timetable would be extremely tight as parliament is in recess over the summer. Abbvie announced a sixty three billion dollar deal for Allergan betting combination. We'll deliver new sources of growth, the purchase will result in a major position in the eight billion dollar plus market for botox and other beauty drugs, as abbvie braces for the end of patent protection for the world's top-selling drug Humira the takeover worth one hundred eighty eight dollars and twenty four cents a share in cash and stock saw AB these stocks sixteen percent on Tuesday, while series of allergens soared twenty five percent on the news. The Federal Reserve didn't object to the capital plans of all eighteen firms subject who had C C, A R stress tests, but it did require Credit Suisse to address, quote, certain limited weaknesses in its capital, planning processes, big US banks, like J P Morgan Citi group, Goldman Sachs and Bank of America. Showered investors with fatter dividends and share repurchases following the news, another notable Deutsche Bank cleared. The hurdle after failing last year's assessment over concerns around its data collection and risk management. Bitcoin on Thursday gave back almost all of the week's games that had pushed its price nearly fourteen thousand dollars its highest level, since January. Twenty eighteen sloping over sixteen percent to below eleven thousand dollars some point into an outage at prominent crypto exchange coin base. While other said, volatility is plaguing the digital currency once again bitcoin has surged in value since April rising more than two hundred and sixty percent year today amid Facebook's crypto plans and investors seeking alternate. Stay faith in assets, but it remains below it's all time high of nearly twenty thousand dollars it in December twenty seventeen. How much was Johnny? I worth apple apparently nine billion dollars. That's the market value. The tech giant lost when it shares fell one percent after hours on Thursday as the chief design officer announced his exit to start his own firm that will count apple among its customers. He's been quote, one of the most important figures at apple during his tenure according to Wedbush analyst, Daniel lives, quote, from his I MAC vision to the stunning iphone launch and transformation. His fingerprints are deeply woven within Apple's core. DNA. The FAA found a new coat potential risk that Boeing must fix before. It's seven thirty seven max can take to the skies, a development that means the jets returned to service will likely be delayed until October at the earliest putting it into perspective. American Airlines CEO Doug Parker said on June twelve it was quote, highly likely 737 MAC flights would resume by mid August, although Southwest Airlines, the largest global operator of the max became the first this week to extend cancellations into October. Remaining signatories of the twenty fifteen Iran nuclear deal met in begin on Friday amid warnings from Iran, that it was it's quote, last chance to save the accord, and the country would not accept quote, artificial solutions to US sanctions at issue is how much money can be transferred via insects. A special mechanism set up that allows for imports and exports without any direct financial flows earlier in the week. The Trump administration ordered new sanctions against the assets of supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and several Iranian military commanders. G twenty optimism boosts stocks G twenty tensions way on equities, while, that's most of the rhetoric investors have been hearing this week, the moment of truth finally arrived, as the big gathering kicked off in Osaka Japan with trade at the top of the agenda, investors are eyeing a meeting between President Trump and China's she that will take place this morning hopes are high for the two leaders to write the last chapter in their trade war, which has reverberated across the global economy. That concludes today's Wall Street breakfast. Thank you for listening Wall Street. Breakfast is presented by Invesco everyday Invesco. We bring together ideas with technology data with inspiration and investors with solutions. Let's invest in greater possibilities together. 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AvTalk Episode 66: Our Super Avgeek Week

AvTalk - Aviation Podcast

1:01:08 hr | 1 year ago

AvTalk Episode 66: Our Super Avgeek Week

"On this episode of APP Talk We had to Roswell New Mexico for the Super Eighty sendoff then we're off to Los Angeles for Cranky Flyers Dork Fest and spot. Lax Twenty nineteen plus an American Airlines mechanic is arrested for sabotage and there's a fresh obstacle for the seven three seven maxes return to service hello and welcome to episode sixty six of ask talk. I am passionate here as always with Jason Rabinowitz and we've got a good one this week. This is a really good show. I mean it might possibly be one of the most exciting at least for US episodes of the podcast we've ever done now. We obviously haven't recorded yet so we can't quite vouch that. It's going to be good as we think it's going to be but I think it's going to be as good as we think it's going to be. Portions of this episode have been prerecorded and reformatted to fit your ears exactly so here's the format of the episode. We did some things in the past couple of weeks. We're going to definitely talk about those. We've got some special guests coming up by won't ruin it quite yet. Ian Left his house I did. I left my house twice in one week. I didn't even I didn't only leave my house twice choice in one week. I went to a different state twice in one week. You went to three state. Why I left the state but yeah yeah we'll get to that a little bit later on the show because we've got some some real special stuff coming up but in the meantime news waits for no podcast her and that's right so who it has also been an incredibly busy week on that front and I think we should just dive right in with what happened in in Miami with the American Airlines mechanic in that he was arrested for sabotage yeah yeah you shouldn't do that so so if you're you're not aware if you're not from the United States or or hard to imagine you don't keep a close eye in the industry if you are listening to this podcast but American and its its mechanics union aircraft mechanic union have been going at it quite hard for the past few months over contract renegotiations uh-huh and it has not been subtle the leader of Americans mechanics union has not so subtly called for blood and and unfortunately when most people is see this kind of rhetoric. Can they negotiate a tactic. They brush it off. There's always that few percent of if people who take it to heart and do really really really really stupid things and unfortunately this stupid thing happened to be a the American Airlines mechanic at Miami International decided. I really don't like the way the negotiations are going. They've hurt me economically in some way. I'm going into sabotage plane to get overtime to fix the plane I sabotage in not only did he do that but he went about doing it in a very stupid easy to catch way and and there is a a very large investigation into how this happened why it happened why he would do it and I hope he sees many many years of prison time yeah. It's so what happened was is he sprayed or I don't know the exact method of the foam delivery but foam ended up covering a piece of the navigation system that corrupted the ability of the system to function properly. The pilots began their taxi Acsi out on the tax that they never even made it to the runway. This was a pilot or taxing for departure and something's very wrong with the navigation system so they turned around and went back to the gate other mechanics opened up the plane and said bulled that's not supposed to be there and things kind of went from there as as far as the investigation beginning thankfully the other mechanics didn't keep to themselves and keep it in the family they contacted the authorities and corporate security in Mia Miami police and they tracked down very easily who did this. I read the FBI complaint and the employees who sabotage aircraft had a very pronounced the limp and they were able to find video of going to the aircraft that he wasn't ever supposed to touch he typically never left the hanger but in this instance he actually went out to the gate and tampered with the aircraft left and they were able to trace it all back to him and he just outright admitted it all which is I guess good mix prosecution easier but I guess the saving grace of this is that the aircraft work the way it was supposed to it detected an issue at as in described that he disconnected a cable or some sort of air sensor and physically sabotaged it putting Styrofoam in gluing it in the unbelievable that he would leave so much physical evidence behind but the aircraft sense that there was something wrong long and it returned to Gates but there have definitely been cases in the past were not having the proper airspeed data has indeed caused fatal accidents. It's several incidents with Boeing other manufacturer aircrafts and thankfully the aircraft in this instance did what it was supposed to do. Identified the issue and they went back to the gate right but his intention was not to harm the aircraft of the passengers but very easily could have whether his intention was to or not to do so right exactly. It doesn't matter what his intentions were matters. What could have happened and I asked around you know is this was a serious surfing obviously but was this something that that could have easily led to an accident and the answer. I got was not conclusive mostly because we don't know exactly clearly kind of what he did. It wasn't them thankfully. I guess Kinda broadcast hide but like you said I mean there's always the possibility buddy when we're talking about aircrafts that any issue could compound itself especially once the aircraft's in the air and thankfully the American Airlines mechanic seed has thrown own this employee under the bus and completely condoned his behavior that could have gone the other way. The union could have defended him or who knows what but it was good to see them very quickly. Put out a release saying this guy sucks. He doesn't speak for us. We obviously never condone tempering with an aircraft. I don't think that's actually with with the release said that would be some refreshing honesty not a direct credit anyone but at the same time I feel like his actions were directly influenced by the rhetoric coming from the Union. There's that one video from a couple of months ago where the head of union literally calls for blood and declares war on their own airline so if that wasn't unsettling enough this this really shines a bad light on the union unfortunately on American as well because this just can't happen. It should never happen. It is terrible for passengers used to see this on the news and think oh their mechanics on rogue and they're back to be sabotaging your craft. It's just a one off case but man. That's a battle yeah it shall we switched is to a much happier story involving what involving a pilot who just wanted to go on vacation see there are bad employees like be be mechanic down at. Miami and there aren't good employees and this may be easyjet pilot for Manchester Yeah. This may be a bit of a self serving. Good deed read hot air. No no absolutely not it was self serving but it was also kind of amazing and apparently this has happened before but this is quite amazing in that. I'm an easy jet pilot was was ready to depart Manchester. I'd go down to vacation. I think in Spain was it yeah I'll I'll contact yeah yeah him and his family and unfortunately unfortunately one of the two pilots for his flight that he was a passenger on did not show up whether they were operational issues or crew scheduling this was the Monday following the Sunday Sunday French air traffic control issues. I think that French had radar issues and so a lot of easyjet flights got cancelled and and the ones that did run ended up you you know how the Easyjet operates a lot of flights where they go out in back or they go one two three and then they're supposed to end up at three but they were only able to get to two and so they their operations were a little out of sync the following morning yes so this pilot rather than leading the fight be cancelled and vacations ruined. He said screw it. I'll fly the plane. I got pilot's license. I got my ID. What's fire this thing up in get down to Spain yeah. That's got to be one of those things where you can't tell. It's a joke at first. If you're a passenger there was a woman who recorded video of him making the announcement about what was happening and I guess is is this guy serious. Is this actually happening and for the plane high Bill. I don't have a uniform but I'll be flying your plane today basically what he said Yeah. I mean let people know the pilot. Wasn't you know the the captain was able to make the flight and then all of a sudden. He's he's in a perfect position to fly down there so they went. I think one of the articles I saw the airport ops had called the headquarters and said hey we won't operate this flight with with the off duty pilots and I said Okay we'll call you back in about thirty seconds later. They called back and say go get the flight out. Just go just go who cares what he's wearing. Yeah it's a lot of e U two six four compensation that they will not have to pay the bills willing to operate a flight on his precious vacation die that thought about that you competition will never even occurred to me but yeah I guess I guess that that was some quick math that they did. Whatever we have to pay you it's far less than we would have spent the passengers singers so the reincarnation of the fourth or fifth version of the wild brand this week. Maybe we sort of yeah really a this is ludicrous. Did you watch the press conference. I couldn't get through the whole thing it was it was to Joseph Heller esque. I think it was also very trumpian and a lot of ways where she look. Let's back up a few steps. Assure bio meets yeah so there's a is an investment for a woman. I don't really know if she is an investment firm what but but she is very much of the opinion that wow air is a brand worth salvaging and salvaging now while come back now so they sank like eighty six million dollars which is half of the amount due or something along those lines but they think a lot of money into buying the how the remnants of wow air air and apparently they want to relaunch service between Iceland and Washington Dulles next month this coming October with the two unidentified aircraft. I guess they have them in mind. Along with dedicated cargo freighters they have two that are ready to go to to bring they're beautiful fish and delicious water out of Iceland as she kept saying what they're beautiful flight attendants majestic skies and the whole thing is I don't know anyone that thinks wow Ariza brand word saving came and went so quickly in spectacular fashion stranded a lot of people and brought Icelandair to the brink of financial ruin by its back. I guess maybe kind of I think this is going to fall into the category of Kabila. Leave it. When I see it type thing the yeah the whole idea bringing back wow I get it was a a very easy easy brand to understand. I mean wow the planes are per bowl. You've got you fly to Iceland and you fly back and forth. I get that that proposition is very easy. This seems to be taking that ease of recognisability and turning it into this weird hybrid hybrid like the cargo thing why not just start cargo flights. I don't understand how that's a wild thing I don't know and the whole thing of of wow is supposed to be an ultra low cost carrier. That's what they were. That's what SORTA worked for them but at the same time she's talking about. We want to have a a lounge Catholic for all our passengers. We don't charge for water and we want to have Michelin starred Chefs Lady. That's not how ultra low cost carriers work. You have to pay for all those things so you can make money. Unfortunately our didn't make enough money. Even being ultra low cost a bottom barrel pay for everything. I don't know if she's ever operated braided airline in the past. I don't believe so but an airline cannot on the one hand the ultra low cost and at the same time have lounges for everyone and give you free Ramillo's on a five hour transatlantic redeye from Washington to Iceland it just none of that bath checks out but it sounds like a recipe for a very very nice ace airline that will operate for one week yes so. I don't like to throw them. Throw them away so quickly but do not book a flight on this airline. Let's start offering offering it because I don't understand how they could turn around to start offering flights this October so damn quickly. It doesn't make sense. I don't do that unless it's so cheap you can just throw the forty bucks fairway not care. I mean if I'm going to get a trip to Iceland free water. 'cause I mean okay but the water is delicious and Michelle Starr meal and do wait a minute. Wait a minute. I just figured it out. The whole cargo think they're gonNa make you carry the cargo in your hands into the seat. Aren't that's a nice value add proposition. That's you're going to have to hold the fish yeah. That's going to be so cheap so we can't eat the fish we have. Have you just have to hold fit. You are the cargo carrier. Oh well yeah the whole thing. Is it reeks of like eastern nine or something like that just but I don't really know. We got to see this week but that lead story for later in the episode yeah so yeah while coming back second apparently very quickly. I don't buy it. I don't see the need for its but shore speaking of airlines which are a little confusing confusing and usually on our radar we continue to question whether Norwegian will exist in the medium term future yeah or even short turn this short term future yeah. They are having worse financial issues than than usual usual. They've really a bunch of external factors of really hit Norwegian hard for when they started long operations. Boeing was late delivering the seven eight seven which was unfortunate fortunate so they started operations with their craft from anyone who had them and then the Trent went thousands broke and so they had to wet leased aircraft from anyone that could have than the seven three. Max grounded so they had to wet leased aircraft from anyone who they could find sensing a pattern here. I'm getting the pattern here and so speaking of wet lease just a few of the current wet lease operations operating on behalf of Norwegian a euro-atlantic seven six seven the high flight eight hundred eighty a high flame three forty develop a three thirty two privilege style triple seven another hi fi three forty a wall mosaic three thirty three thirty yeah all of this is it just kind of a mess but Kudos for Norwegian for sticking with it and trying to operate flights if they did not do these wet leases they would be operational national disaster more so than they already are is just the concern cannot sustain itself constantly paying for other airlines operate operate fights for itself and it's not all external factors they have an extremely tight schedule with virtually no slack so a three hour delay on Monday ripples through to about an hour delay on Thursday and is very little time to make up flights but yeah Norwegian the what was the amount of of money. They need to raise a restructuring three hundred million dollars or something. It was not an insignificant sum. I don't have the exact number at hand but it insignificant now now but let's just say a flight to the Nordic region that I have to take in December might choices were. Sas Norwegian. I booked. SIS purely early Adams. I don't know that Norwegian will still be around in December eight that fact I liked Norwegian but I don't feel comfortable booking them that for out yeah and we've talked about this before you know the product that Norwegian offers when it is actually Norwegian is good. I mean and you were. We're pleased with the service in the product. You got on your last two Norwegian flights so it's one of those things where it's we're not wishing them. Ill Just it's so many things have kind of compounded to beat them into the ground. I it's very very disappointing. Yeah it's a damn shame but hope that Norwegian pull through after already having survived the damn near hostile takeover from I N G probably about a year ago. That might be the future for them. We'll see what happens so speaking of I- ag we recording according on Eleven September and today or yesterday and Monday were the British Airways pilots strikes two days of British Airways pilots strikes in which British Airways cancelled seventeen hundred flights affecting something like almost two hundred thousand passengers at one one point there were no British Airways flights in the sky right back here now but it's important to remember that it was just be a mainline line so cityflyer comair and the comedy editor were not stairs the it was British Airways proper in the British Airways shuttle right and a few flights that were already being operated by at least carriers like Air Belgium and evolve you yes it felt they were operating the lucky few but there were a few sites on Monday did squeak out that were not cancelled in. I'd love to know how decided that very small handful of flights would operate yeah. I I always find that interesting when when you see kind of the necessity to cancel a very large amount of flights whether it's because of strike action or pilots pilots or HIV control or if it's just whether at a hub like what's the decision making process there with so few flights going out to be I one has to assume that it has to do with some sort of like the pilots could fly there. That's where they were willing to go. How did they determine that the early morning eastbound Boston. Heathrow flight would operate but not J. F. K. like they're virtually the same flight but one went the other tonight. I'd love to know why maybe we can speak to them about that one day. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to talk to us about that but we'll ask and see what happens. You're her favourite aircraft and mine has received a few orders in the past few weeks and things seemed to be looking up for the former emerging now the m one hundred space jet that one yes jetsons yes right. It's it's a show based jet. Yes I think yeah terrestrial space shuttle yeah something like that but mace. I did not see this coming. Mesa Airlines lines placed an order for how many hundreds I believe fifty. I've gets yes a fifty fifty fifty splits fifty firm orders fifty the options if they decide to take those up at a future date for the m one hundred which is actually oxymoronic ly- The smaller version of the he space jet. MR J. The larger one is the emerge eight nine hundred seventy but the the one hundred is the smaller one that complies with US regional airlines scope goat clause restrictions which basically dictates the number of passengers on board and the maximum weights that are regional airline can operate with four or a mainline carrier. That would be about seventy six for this aircraft so that's exciting. I guess not that they're being delivered until like twenty twenty four so who knows what happens between now and then we don't but we will find out yes check back in second quarter twenty twenty four. We'll give you an update on this space gia in order exactly making we'll make a note for episode one hundred and Change Your will be in the second half decade there you go yeah. I'm sure we'll get yeah so before we take a break and get into the much more exciting things that we've done over the past couple of weeks. Let's do do our official 737. Max Update nothing goods coming nothing good nothing good so where we are is the European regulator Yassa has expressed their displeasure with Boeing's things proposed solutions for the fix and are sending their own pilots to test fly the seven three seven Max before they will certify it even if the FAA says it's good to go yeah. This is very bad for the future of aircraft certification. How it works now is basically the? FAA's certifies an aircraft JASA takes a look signs off on the rest. The world follows John Ostra. Our our friend of the show is written about this number of time and it really seems like moving forward. That convention is tossed out the window. It's it's no longer valid the FAA has been too close to Boeing letting themselves certify the aircraft and now the whole system is up in flames which is really really the unprecedented at this point so even if the FAA certifies an American united southwest than WHO Guess Air Academy Start Operating these fights domestically that speaks nothing about what he also has to say for Europe in what the Chinese authorities say in China the Singaporean Save for Singapore. It's a really slippery slope right now but it's looking like maybe the first quarter twenty twenty will have operating again in the US but there's there's no firm timeline in the rest of the world's totally no guidance on that right now yeah the CEO of Boeing. Today said that he still expects the fourth quarter of twenty nineteen to be the re entry into service. I'm not sure no insane. It's very sure I don't don't buy that. I don't buy that at all. I cannot for the life of me. Imagine how they get the aircraft back into service. He said the beginning meaning of q four two thousand nineteen. I would be shocked if that happens. I mean we're or damn near in quarter four of Twenty Nineteen so oh yeah of course that goes through December thirty first sure but still I. I just don't see that happening at all. It may be certified to fly by the time the airlines patch up the planes that are parked in in wherever they're parked in there all over the place and actually get them back into the schedule and operate most of these these airlines have either are moved the Max entirely from their schedule or pushed out in too late December or even into twenty twenty so they might be used as hot spares bearers but it is that they're they're pretty much out for the rest of the year yeah so it'll be interesting to see as always how this continues to to develop but it doesn't bode well for the recertification of the aircraft that that the European regulators have not signed on to kind of the FAA's phase plan and the joint authorities task force. I think that's what the official name is. The group of aviation aviation regulators their report was due or is due any day now so that is a report that is examining the certification of the aircraft from a regulatory standpoint in that reports being written by experts from various regulatory bodies so that's going to be I mean I mean I say interesting. Read for those listening to this podcast certainly for anyone else out there. I'm not I'm not sure how much interest there is but but moving ving beyond what comes out of that report. It'll be interesting to see how the FAA are either responds or or take that into account. I guess won't have to wait and see indeed. We shall let's take a quick break and then we will come back and get into some of the fun that we we had over the past week and a half. What do you say I think that's a great idea 'cause we. We had some good times we did indeed. We'll be right back after after this. Welcome back we we have. I think a very special treat Jason. I were fortunate enough of the past couple of weeks to one see each other multiple times in different states weird I know and to participate in some very cool aviation events that one of which will never ever get to do again and one of which will hopefully do a year from now so last week we were on if you follow slater twenty four on social media you already know what's coming but we were on the one of the Super Eighty sendoff final. MD Eighty Eighty flights from Dallas to Roswell New Mexico where the aircraft parked likely never to be phone again. They're still off chance that to that their owner the air sale company could find someone who wants a nineteen ninety seven MD eighty three three and fly them again but very likely most of these aircraft will never fly again. Some of them could become freight met dog exactly there's always that possibility it's not unprecedented that couple of have been plucked out of the desert and they actually have become freight mad dogs wonderfully extra life yeah. There's always always a possibility but the actual event was rather it was just a lot of fun we started the day in Dallas with a ramp tour and got some some on on our faces there and wow it gets hot in Texas really early in the morning who knew knew and so we're out on the ramp for the departure of the final American Airlines. MD Revenue Service so that was a eighty from Dallas to Chicago and Jason. I'm I'm not sure how much you heard about that particular flight but it did get some folks in trouble. Yes it did that was one of the aircraft that was actually at least not owned by American and when they arrived in Chicago everyone on board Kinda scribbled up all over the interior nice note some dot notes but they marked up lovingly the interior of the aircraft and they weren't supposed to do that. Yeah Luckily they happen into all be parking them next to each other so hopefully they can pull some bins out of one in the other or hopefully they'll use that one to convert to cargo and they need to worry about it it off but hoops so we did that and then we got on another. MDA three to fly from Dallas to Roswell on that aircraft's retirement flight and for that we did a little recording on the plane so we are going to move over to that which is myself Jason and our our good friend of the podcast John Ostra joins us for a bit of a conversation about what the MD eighty-three meant to the aviation community but but the growth of American Airlines in particular and some of the cooler things that happened on our particular flight so let's listen Hello Jason. Hello Ian how are you. I'm good. Where are we right now. That's a great question we're over what looks to be toasted marshmallow inside an MD eighty-three on its way to Roswell New Mexico with a whole bunch of special people on its last flight ever with American Airlines. The captain clarified its McDonnell Douglas DC nine. I forgot John. Ostra joins us to fill in the DC nine. Dash three there you go. That's why we bring them around and that's why American calls it the super super eighty cigarette and so we are on the what was the Hashtag that you're created for this so we are on one of the Super Eighty sendoff flights so so those listening you hopefully followed along on social media and all that good fun staff with the flights so we are one of twenty three aircraft being being retired to Roswell New Mexico today to others are going to Tulsa and they will be donated by American to schools. I believe and there's one aircraft that's remaining Dallas for the next couple of weeks for training and then that will join in Roswell well. We're currently tracking four aircraft in the air right now three going. DFW Straits Roswell and one is actually coming from Saint Louis. It looks like there you go or it. was there so yeah we're on our way to to. Roswell right now from. DFW We spent the morning at DFW setting off. The first revenue flights or last revenue flight of Americans are GONNA go back in time yeah time to nineteen eighty two yeah so here we are John. Your thoughts on the long tenure of the Super Eighty. You know they've flown for unbelievably longtime actually the airplanes that that nearly Ron Right now actually delivered in nineteen ninety nine so it is actually the newest. MD Eighty in the world and you know for you know twenty year old airplane twenty year old mcdonnell-douglas airplane. That's still very much midlife I mean they'll defended their DC nine's into the forties and so it's a testament to the resilience of the design. I mean you know when you put engines on the back of an airplane. You have to design a structure that accommodates for that and the great thing about that keeps the the airframe going and going going and taking abuse after abuse abuse and it just it the testament of the resiliency of of what McDonnell Douglas Douglas Aircraft Company came up with back in back back originally in the sixties the D. C. Nine and ability to grow and and over and over time and what got the DC nine and we got the eighty was ultimately the seven thirty seven at the Boeing merger going one that Hanley is far as you know what which product they were. GonNa back on the path forward so you know it's been several thousand seven thirty sevens since then will be several thousand more or it's all said and done so it's but you know we're talking with a really really long life. You know ultimately the resiliency the of the of the design of the airport yeah I mean we we are on a plane that was built in ninety seven came into the American fleet in two thousand one after the TWA way acquisition but suddenly like Jon said I mean some of these last four years and this one is very likely to exit the American fleet and join the fleet somewhere else yeah. The Interior aircraft is actually quite serviceable. The seats are nights is plenty of legroom. It needs a deep cleaning but right now. I have my phone into D. D. Cigarette lighter adapter book and its power and they phone and there's even Wi fi on board and the kind of words so this aircraft. I do feel like it. It is not not at its end of life it could be. We don't know if it will ever fly again but it really feels like it could have a secondly yeah. I mean they're they're leaving the fleet because they're just the ungodly sums of money are spent on the Super Eighty fleet to keep them in the air to keep pilots current and mostly on fuel. I mean they're allowed in which is a plus or minus depending on what we're talking about. If you're listening to this podcast that's probably a plus but they're loud and they cost a ton of money to operate so American singer by them yeah and it was a fun departure from the at the end and I were in the fact right next to the engines John. You're way up in front in First Class because you got an upgrade on a raffle departure. What was your experience like upfront thoughts so quiet I mean I don't think there a side from the the later most of the eighty seven in the ninety you could not get farther away from jet engines. I think I think until the eighth three became around of when you were up in the up the upper deck so here the front of an MVP three really really really far away from everything. That's making noise in the back so it is number one because you don't have engines on the hung in the wings. It's just smooth a silk coming out. It's just wonderful. It's IT'S A. It's a really a a truly a good design hallmark ullmark. I guess is the right way. Drive it like a rear mounted engine aircraft or you just need the wings are undisturbed and it just it's so quiet upfront and so you know it's it's almost a little disappointing when when you want he wants jet noise yeah it does feel like a tank but I can tell my body knows that this aircraft is old because my ears ears are popping. I haven't experienced that on any other aircraft in a very long time and it's not that they pop on departure and arrival. They just keep popping it right now. We're at cruising altitude at what twenty eight thousand feet might years continuously mopping so a couple things about this particular flight one and we got a wink. We experienced a wing wave never gone departure. I've never seen a wing way from the inside that was a lot of fun and to the the captain of this flight began his MD eighty career at Twa. He's been flying for twenty five years and the flight crew decided that out of respect for the aircraft today they were going to hand fly the entire flight ban. You can feel it when they change speed you feel it when they adjust the throttles you feel it and I'm really looking forward to a descent went into Roswell and feeling that particular experience so we'll be back later on the ground in Roswell. We're going to watch some more planes land and have a party to celebrate the so we'll be back in a little bit with that. We talked about on the flight that the pilots it's were hand flying and you could really feel it especially when the aircraft landed. I was sitting in the directly in front of the engine so so that I could still see out the window but still here the engine is best you could and when the rudder moved I felt myself swaying in my seat we you were told and as we mentioned in our conversation with John that the aircraft is being hand flown out of respect for the aircraft Kazan also but yeah turns out that both autopilot systems on that aircraft were actually inoperable time time. I guess when you're you're flying out to the bone yard. You really don't care what stuff is working or not working as long as you can minimum equipment listed and just get it out there but I don't know if they will under the flight for an hour and forty minutes by hand but they did because they didn't have a choice yeah. The captain was very confusing about it but he he took it in stride. I guess after we'd landed we were getting a tour around the airfield all of the other things that were there in Roswell now in mostly American mad dogs seven six seven five and and some other interesting things like a good chunk of the deep 737 Max Fleet American seven three seven Max fleet and Elvis's old Lockheed jetstar and a single x coupe triple seven named named Berry named data's a I knew the scoop triple seven was there. I didn't know it was named. Bury The K. C. Jason this is why we keep you around for exactly formation like that if you don't know that what really do you know high claim to know nothing and and I stuck to it. So what else did we do so once we got to Roswell there is a big party with a literal red carpet and that was enjoyable delicious food and good conversation with a lot of American Airlines employees who worked on the MD eighty for a very long time whether it was flying it maintaining it dispatching watching it what have you there was a gentleman there and it was never made clear to me exactly what his connection to the airline was other than he had been then on an obscene number of MD eighty flights and had an MD eighty tattooed on his arm. Yeah I guess Doug Parker but I'm not there her you get into that but not American did a fantastic job with the event they retired. I think twenty twenty four or twenty six mad dogs on the same day. It all seemed to go according to plan all the planes got to where they needed to go on time which is pretty amazing for the American mad dogs but it was really fun seeing them all parked next to each other. They were all open. We were in at our running around inside one of them a because the air conditioning was the lingering around and be because we could run around the airplane supervise wouldn't and I did the first annual inaugural DB Cooper where we go from the cockpit to the rear air stairs of the mad dog and jump out. I think that might be the first and last annual DB Cooper but it was a lot of fun and then we discovered that the aircraft had been fully catered yes yeah so in addition to still having working power outlets on board albeit that the DC cigarette lighter adapters and working wi fi and working streaming coming entertainment it was a fully catered flight announced the Uh us with a fully catered alcohol Yuck and we were surprised by full galley carts but such as is it was we didn't get to partake but what we did partake in was a good conversation with the American airline CEO Doug Parker who was there he he spoke spoke earlier at the event and we had a chance to sit down with him and talk about what the MD means to him in the airline and kind of what's what's coming next so here's a bit from our conversation with American airline CEO Doug Parker we are now on the ground in Roswell Jason. Listen I landed just finding hand flown. MD Eighty which was a treat and we have a real treat as well now we're joined by Doug Parker the CEO of American Airlines to talk about what the fleet means what the super eighty means to the airline and kind of walk through what what's happening to sleep but also to the airline as is is the fleet's renewed Miss Burke. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for being here funding thanks so much for parking so the MD eighty you had mentioned in your in your speech a few minutes ago that it once upon a time was inefficient aircraft that was replacing other inefficient aircraft like the seven to seven hundred now itself is being replaced by more efficient more streamlined aircraft what did the MD eighty mean to American over these years. Oh this is so important to the to the history of American. You know it's it's back in the it was it was Bob. CRANDALL CRANDALL growth plan back in the mid eighties was fueled by this aircraft. you know I was I joined American in one thousand nine hundred six. I remember it. This is the growth engine of the airline and it got to a point at one point who was right at fifty percent of the fleet was was super great. He's let's pretty phenomenal so the you heard the stories others. It's more than just you know at an airplane. It's about you know what a lot of our team. Members grew up on either flying or maintaining or non revving on it's it's a huge part of American history so the Super Eighty as American calls it was until feel very recently a very large chunk of Americans fleet. That's been whittled down and seemingly these large large fleet exits at twenty four twenty six at a time how how is American managing such a large fleet exit at one time what aircraft a replacing the spot that the MBA eighty is retiring from we merged. US Airways and American Airlines in twenty thirteen in both of us had pretty large aircraft orders coming so it's a combination of those those two orders seven thirty sevens eighty three twenty eight three nineteen eighteen twenty one of a number of narrow bodies that have been coming in brand new at both airlines that have allowed us to retire these airplanes continue you too not just replaced them. Grow one of the things that we've been talking about with everyone here. The crews who both fly the planes and take your passengers there's and dispatchers and schedulers and things like that as well as they've got really fond memories of the of these aircraft. They've got really attached to him for a long time and we've had quite the celebration here today. As people have kind of gone through all they care about things like that. Is that something that you see throughout the airline with other sub fleets leads are is this one of those things where it truly became. The super duty truly became kind of a special child in the airline now this special. There are no others like this one it it really is. It's it's like I say it was. It was nearly half of meat at one point in time but it's also about it's it's a generational issue for us. I mean it really all anyone that joined his airline line. In the mid eighties and we have ten we have ten thousand people a joint joined the airline back then. They're still working for us. Grew up on his airport and in their careers were built on his airplane so it's now this is different than others. I don't know I'll be another one like it American but he really is so much a part of you know what the American Airlines used to grow and become the airline we are today. Do you have any particular fond memories yourself of the Super Eighty. I think we all do through different but mostly about just remembering flying trips that I've taken and flying around on it. You're at itself frankly. I'm not the biggest span as a consumer of the airplane despite that I've I've been on it so many times. I mean the two three configuration. I guess you know it eliminates one of the middle seats which is nice but other than that you know. I've always thought they were more comfortable alert planes in the fleet mortgage more customer friendly aircraft but look. It's what it's what we all ended up you know. I like I said growing up on at American so I really fond memories it just because of all the trips that I took non running around the country around the country. I found myself on the super eighty a lot and I like the rest of us. We'll miss it yet. Definitely offbeat most modern aircraft on the interior but you know what it had. DC cigarette style plugs that I was using it had Wifi and had entertainment. I was using it all the way way down on the final fight here to Roswell which I thought was pretty funny. It's at this old school analog aircraft and there we go on its final fight to the bone yard. There's the Wifi. It's but what air to ground. Wifi not satellite wife. I was the only one using it so. It actually worked under split so I had that going for C. And now why Americans that in all of our narrow body fleet has wifi and so you want instant exactly super fast so yeah well this anyway you understand that airplane yes it had it had power that everyone is power but as a cigarette lighter WIFI but it's air to ground wife it's not the same as flying the other pines. The American fleet has smaller overhead bins all sorts of things that work would that we're now putting in place now for our customers that make flying much better than this airplane could provide as as much as we love this airport and we're moving on to better customer service Herman's. When are we gonNA BRING NICKNAMES BACK FOR FLEET TYPES. We have the super eighty here but everything else is. He's like you said we miss. We have the dream but that's that's kind of like I mean we don't miss the the luxury liner and I mean but we have the dreamliner. That's the thing uh-huh either way it was time to say goodbye to the Super Eighty and this is a very fitting end Doug Parker. CEO of American Airlines thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it enjoyed it. Thanks thank you so much and does that was our final super eighty sendoff. There are no more super eighties eighties to send off. They have all been sent to the desert. They're all enjoying retirement and we had quite the day yes and for those that are GonNa say there are still. MD eighties out there yes delta has a very sizeable chunk of the world's remaining mad dogs but those are of the MD eighty eight of variety Brian Variety American the MD to an MD eighty three and was just really core to their business for many many many many years the MD eighty the eighty eight undoubtedly just doesn't seem as special but yes they do still exist. I think like you said a big part of this was that the MD MD eighty and like we talked about with John a little bit the MD eighty really allowed the airline to operate across the country in a much more robust fashion than they had been. I and it became a true backbone of the airline for for quite some time but yes but Kudos to American for pulling off a really fun very long long days. Worth of events is a great time by everyone. That was Eric so we left. Roswell went back to Dallas and you and I both did something that we probably shouldn't have done which was gone home yet whoops so Jason Everyone knows that I'm in Chicago. Jason's Newark in we went Dow- so we went home Jason York myself to Chicago and then we both flew to Los Angeles of course so yeah any any normal person flies Gorizia Dallas Roswell Dallas Laguardia Switches to JFK to go straight out lax because that's the rational in do of course I mean I could not think of a more more rational thing to do now. They're probably don't have fights douse to Los Angeles now that I think of it yeah. No No. I've never we'll look that up we need. We need a in fact checker for this podcast but we went to. La For a youth for a number of things in a slightly smaller number of things but we started Saturday day at Cranky Flyers Dork fest which is this was ninth year that that brush lighter has been doing fest and we brought on the podcast just last year to talk about Dork vest and we met many of you there and met an even larger number of he used this year. It was a huge turnout. There were airline. CEO's handing out burgers. I was a little late getting there because I had already arranged by travel to L. A. From New York to get there around one o'clock doc but as I'm landing on jetblue fight at about twelve thirty since we were early I see tweets and all this that Oscar Menus from United's just out they're handing out in and out cheeseburgers to the crowd of a couple of hundred people in Delta Corp Comm is out there handing out in and out gift cards for people to buy burgers. It was quite quite remarkable to see this event grow a couple years ago from like a couple of dozen people out there cranky home like one thirty but it turned out to be a really spectacular event in concert with the NYC -ation spot lax event hundreds of people out there had arranged to do some unwrapped toys with lax and then some ten lucky bidders actually do a whole foods store of La Accents United Operation Center tours at the at the airport which is really cool. Yeah I mean just the the event has really grown to a full weekend of of full-on aviation goodness yes. I spotted many planes. He exactly and for me the best part about you know. It's great to see stuff that I don't normally get to siege for sure but for me. The best part is about talking talking to the people that are in the reason that they're they're in the things that they love and there's always you know two or three people who who have some some a crazy stories. Abou- how they got there or why they're why they're interested in aviation that you think that's incredible. In this year. There were no shortage shortage of those and next year is Dork Fest Tenth Year so I have no idea what's going to happen but everyone should put it on the calendar if they absolutely can at all to get. LAX sometime next September keep the whole month open. We had a chance to sit down with a very important person in our conversations about spot. Lax We went to the rooftop spotting area that was part of NYC nations event and had a chance to talk with both pan. Am Bag the pan. Am I did not say very much but Lauren Darnell who is the voice of Panam bag and aviation a to Z. from from Seattle was there and we had a chance to sit down and talk with her so let's listen in a little bit of that now we've adjourned to the rooftop deck of the H hotel in Los Angeles for what is I guess officially the second part of the Dort fest spot. Lax Combo. Oh we we are officially spotting things at LAX JASON DC planes. I see lots of planes in every which direction yes and we are are thoroughly enjoying the beautiful weather here in Los Angeles. It's been quite the week we had Dallas Roswell Los Angeles so it's been hot and sunny always the last couple of days Laguardia Dallas Roswell Dallas Laguardia. JFK La beautiful weather every hop of the way which which I think lottery take time yeah both the New York and the call for new lottery. Just be safe. Maybe powerball mega millions. Whatever doesn't matter throw there we are joined by Lauren Danielle who is a spotter extraordinaire who may be better known by the Internet's Internet's by not some one necessarily but something and so we're doubly pleased to welcome you to talk. Thank you so much for joining us to talk to us about spot. Lax and what we're all doing here. Thanks for having me first ever podcast. The football then we're happy did Jason's yes Jason's first ever podcast so you are Internet famous as the voice. That seems generous. I know I'm I'm saying you're Internet famous at least or maybe world famous as the voice of the Panama bag that's true so so you and the Pan Am bag are both here at spot. Lax Your from Seattle and you flown all the way to lax. Just tell us why well that sounds a lot easier than all that those segments Jason just let Hainault Mind Jason. He doesn't count yeah I well. I got up at one thirty. Am To be here and a half a fallen asleep yet so I can't from New York yeah well. You took a much later flight. My flight was at five yeah so I got up early and I guess I'm running on adrenaline and sugar at this point so it's but it's been good yeah. I mean like Jason Said Beautiful Weather Dan. I love coming down here. This is my fifth year in a row coming too fast and I guess second year for spot. Lax so I love it that they're scheduled on the same weekend so I can see all my my twitter friends in one place and you know put a face with a handle that is one of the great things about Dork Treston spot. Is You meet all of these people throughout the year on twitter or instagram or or where have you and then you get a chance to meet them in real life and see that there are three dimensional people people who care a little bit more than about planes but not much more because I feel like the whole weekends really heavily aviation focused but in a very welcoming way were there were a lot of younger aviation enthusiast at Dork as well as people who are recently acquired into the F. Geek Kingdom yeah for sure I mean I love seeing people bring. Their kids obviously kids myself but but yeah. I love seeing kids here. When I was little I would've loved to go to a thing where where people like if I had known that that some adults just like get together to watch planes I would've thought that was totally cool so yeah I love to see young and old and and everything in between it really does run the gamut and we had a great morning with I I would say group of hundreds down by the in and out at the UN's complex one hundred of us on the bus tour because there were two buses of fifty so and there were already a ton of people at door fest by the time the other one hundred people showed up upsell. I mean conservatively. I'd have at least two hundred but I really don't know yeah and we had a great time with some in and out Burger and a lot of great conversation some good giveaways and things like that what kind of your favorite part about Dora spot. Lax like I said it just kind of getting to see. We all my my twitter friends in one place. It's a fairly easy for me to fly down here from Seattle so it's yeah it's always it's always fun to to see everybody in person and then of course. I mean the highlight of this year for me. Personally was special visit by Oscar. That was something I wasn't expecting. I woke up this morning so that was a fun surprise and like you said I didn't win anything in the Raffle but there's always you know airlines. Always you know step up and donate some some great prize as you know just even in the five years. There's live coming to Dork fast. It seems to get bigger and bigger every year so keep the crazy train rolling. I guess we could have referring to Oscar giving out prizes. Oscar the sea hove United Airlines so with a surprise visit and surprising announced he was handing out cheeseburgers burgers and and asked me if I wanted one so I think that like you said it keeps getting bigger and bigger and who knows what next year will bring. Maybe we'll have you know the big. US airline CEO's competing Caserta Burger hand. I gotta get my favorite guy. Brad Jett Guy Brad down here for a Selfie that would really competing for our our individual love so we had delta giving out. Delta was out here giving gift cards away for in and out while United's CEO is physically handing out burgers. I I WANNA see jetblue. CEO Handing out what everybody's airplanes like three twenty three twenty one when I flew out on here the keys there you go but you you already have keystone airplane tripple. Seven three hundred eighty are not that the keys do you any good but you have them. I will go up to American at Terminal Eight and jingle the way. I don't don't think that's how it works. I don't think they have a valet over there. Bring your playing around so we're going to turn the microphone off. Sit Back Relax ax. We've got let's see some. Delta and southwest metal ready to go and there's a big plane over there as Jason says we're GONNA go figure out. If only there was some sort of APP that we could use to figure it out I can do this and Jason says it's a seven eight seven dash nine heading to do of course on the Negro and there it is we will be back later a little bit for some more spot. Lax Twenty nineteen commentary commentary from Jason Expert Commentary another big planning now dork festivals over spot lax is over. I have percents made it back to Chicago. I still need to catch up on maybe four or five days worth of sleep but Jason you've kept going and are still. I believe you've done something that involves waffles. Yes I am at the Apex Expo out here at the Convention Center in downtown. La For a change which I think one of our first Jones is that this episode of the podcast was at the sister show to this which is the the aircraft Interiors Expo just basically all the suppliers of all the things things and stuff and junk you see inside of airplanes. This is where they show off all their wares. There's and try to get the attention of the media airlines inspires and all that so the entertainment manufacturers the seat. I got this spirits new new seats which are very spirit just slightly less bad than they used to be which is nice. I got to eat some metal fees. tagline just might less bad add than we used to be but actually that that's a bit harsher actually. Nice Snee- room these days but it's only going to be on new delivery is like at the end of the day maybe twenty percent of the fleets who cares you can't predict on finding him anyway so good for you. If you happen to get one of those aircraft I ate some waffles. I may have stolen own entire boxers troop waffles which is nice the new maple flavor which is awesome yeah. I drank mediocre coffee. I played a a game on one of Panasonic. CPAC systems may be used played with these games. Apparently they're popular with kids Toca Boca Games. I don't know I don't I don't have any familiarity with those but I look forward to them. Coming to a Panasonic CPAC near me while you're depriving your children then because apparently they're very popular but this one one particular game of the few dozen I played that were few dozen but a handful that's available in Singapore Airlines right. Now is basically an endless scrolling game where you highlight a little. PD In a plane in this case it was a spatial or Corncob and all sorts of weird. Things happened on the screen like it five through a hot dog in a a spaceship start pooping out hotdogs. It's it's fun and I could definitely spent half an hour playing that on a very long flights you can go look at my twitter feed for for Serbia of that if you choose but yep fun stuff nice seeks through offals and hotdog farting corn on the COB airplane video games Jason Hard at at work at the Apex Pope in Los Angeles came to do this. Oh the lives we lead. This has been episode sixty six and what an episode it was. We're GONNA have a lot of work to do before episode sixty seven our our first and maybe last ever airline CEO interview. We'll see we'll see how that goes but thank you everyone so much for listening. Thank thank you everyone who we talked to at Dorkcast spot. Lax We had a great time chatting with with a lot of folks who due listen to the podcast and we thank you all so much for your support and your continued listenership. If you haven't already this is your periodic encouragement government to leave us a rating and or review we do see them and read them all and they help others who haven't yet found our podcast do so so. That's always very very helpful. I am impetuous in Chicago here as always ask Jason Rubin noticing. Thank you for listening to this extra long edition of the podcast.

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Answered Prayers. Open Conversations. Country Music & Race. Taking a Stand.

4 Things with Amy Brown

30:06 min | 8 months ago

Answered Prayers. Open Conversations. Country Music & Race. Taking a Stand.

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It's called back to Biz with Katie and votes, each week will interview the leaders and big thinkers and industries from Tekken, education to fashion and pop culture to find out how they're adjusting to this new way of life. Listen to back to Biz with Katie and foes on the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts or wherever you get your favorite shows. Check! CASSEROLE Life always. Beautiful. Back for little mouth. Kick! With Amy Brown everybody amy here and before I get into the four things for today's episode WanNa go over a few changes. If you are new to the PODCAST, then this won't really matter to you, but if you've been listening for a long time, just want to let you know that I am going to continue to do the Intro, but try to get to the point a lot faster. I mean depending on other things that maybe come up where. Where need to address something I'll try to get to the fore things right away, so you know what to expect, and then also. I'm doing away with the Altro, which is normally where I would do an email. Shout out now I still want you to email me. Those are still something that I'm going to incorporate into episodes, but it'll be in the things like they'll come up from time to time, and you never know some episodes might have three. Three different emails some might have to some I have one have none, but you never know when your email might pop up in an episode, so still reach out four things with amy, Brown, at go dot, com, I love getting your feedback. Constructive criticism guests that you would like to hear, and then of course your questions for the Tuesday. QNA episode called the fifth thing so now that I got that out the way. Let me get into what we're. We're going to talk about today. The first thing is going to be a little. Tell me something good story because I wanted to start off on a really strong positive note, and it has a story of hope that I'm going to share with you. The second thing we're gonNA cover is about humanity and race, and it's something that came up during my church service on Sunday. That I thought was very interesting, and I wanted to share it with. The third thing is a girl that posted on instagram. Her name is Rachel. She posted about what her experience has been like being a black woman who loves country music, so I had her come on to read her post and we didn't really talk too much She's pretty shy. She said she doesn't normally do this kind of thing. Even afterwards, she was like. Was that okay? I don't really do this sort of thing, so I wasn't trying to put her on the spot at all, but I'm super grateful that she was willing to come. Come on and read the Post. Forest which I think is better than me, just reading it and then also in the third thing email shoutout I've got one in there that pertains to that and then the fourth thing I have. Another email is well. That just made me feel super encouraged, because we'll be talking about how I've lost followers and listeners in the last week or so and I've still felt encouraged by a lot of us so i. appreciate that okay, so now that you know what to expect from today's episode. Let's get started. Read a story that maybe you have seen online, but maybe not, and if you have heard it hearing it again, definitely will not hurt because it's a story about an answered prayer about acknowledging when we have failed, it's about having conversations connecting and it's a story about hope that that I have that we have I. Think for our country and the version of the story. That I'M GONNA. Read is from people, Dot Com, and here this when black flight attendant over to chat with the white passenger about a book. He was reading on the flight. Flight she was working. She had no idea how much discussion would impact both of them. She also had no idea that the passenger was American Airlines CEO Doug Parker in a facebook post. Southwest Airlines flight attendant Jackie Rae. Hill shared that she had gone to work with a heavy heart devastated by the state of the country, following the death of George Floyd at the hands of police officers on May twenty fifth as I was driving to work I had to really go to God with my thoughts because it would make it hard to smile with. With everything going on the flight attendant of fourteen years, as we are boarding my first flight of the day I smile and I greet people when they come on and I saw a man holding a book that has been on my to read list. The book is called. White Fragility, by Robin de Ngelo Hill made a mental note to ask them about it. When she was finished with her duties about an hour into the flight, she did just that sitting down near him in his empty. Bro. The man told her that he was only about. About halfway through the book, but that it was great so far it really points out how important these conversations on race are there chat was an emotional one. Which Hill says moved her to tears. I've been so sad every day. And I just want to understand and be understood so we can begin to fix it. She explained the to continue to talk about racism in America for the next ten minutes with the man apologizing to her for the shortcomings of his own race, and the he felt. The Nation has failed in response to systemic oppression. It was everything I needed. Hill said going on to say that she told the man about her talk with God on her drive to work and that this conversation was God's answer to her prayer, it was then that the man asked her her name, and then he told her that his was Doug Parker. The CEO of American Airlines I told him that my mother works for him in DC. And then I reached over and gave him a big hug I had to. Yes, we were both mast hills. Mother is a customer service manager. At Ronald, Reagan Washington National Airport in Washington DC I thanked him for being open, and allowing this conversation to happen because I just needed to hear it and. And I walked off, he'll said on his way off the plane. He hands me a handwritten. No and I think Mcginn and ask for a picture. Then a message sent to American. Airlines employees on Sunday. Parker explained the situation from his own perspective, explaining that he was flying southwest, because seats on his American Airlines flight were sold out. I felt wholly inadequate, but I knew it was a special moment Parker Rhodes. The Best I could do was tell her that the book talks about how white people are horrible at talking about racism and that what we need are real conversations. She agreed I told her I was trying to learn and through tears and a mask. She said so am I. During Sunday's online church service our pastor Matt Small Bone who you may have heard on my podcast last week had our youth pastor pastor Charles join him for a conversation about racism, and his thoughts is a black man, and while I can't play back the entire service, there was a part the pastor Charles shared about the history of racism against black people, the roots of it and it was stuff I had never heard before so I wanNA share with you now because I think it's a topic that. That I'm GonNa dive into myself on my own time, so that I can better understand the history and the roots and I hope that it'll encourage you to do the same here's that part of chat as a gift to me as island I'd love to hear some of the American history because I think a lot of people, a lot of people know something's not right. I think some people don't fully understand. Honestly, the didn't get solved in the sixties. I think has been an assumption of that. So. I would love to speak to me. As I'm learning, but just just help us with with some history. Yeah, currently right now I think there's a lot of words and and things being thrown around a lot of rhetoric, but in order for us to really Kinda talk about something we have to get. To the root of actually what is at the heart of everything that we're feeling in this angst as a culture that's kind of going on, and and so we look back at history. What we see is that in the past there were White Christians that justified slavery because they looked at Africans and blacks, and they saw him as less than human in the justify that by saying is because of their DNA when they would look at Africans. They will say oh man. You know because their skin color facial features. We think that. They evolved from apes that they saw and that they're they're primates. Simians is a word that goes with that, and so there is a scientific racism that began to be in play, and for centuries this this notion continued to move forward, and when Darwin's theory evolution kind of came out where it said Oh actually beings. We evolved from Apes. then. They did it that. They took it become a spectrum like if you're white, you're way more evolved on the spectrum and the darker skin tone. The less evolved that you are, and there was actually literature at that time suggested that Africans and blacks were only three fifths of a human being. That they weren't even truly fully human. They didn't see us. As human beings made in God's image, but instead more like animals, and that's perpetuated to today in everything that we're seeing in the civil rights, movement and slavery. It continued to happen to where there was this superiority complex over other. Cultures and religions, and so this this. This idea the scientific racism began to make its way in many different fields, archaeology biology into medicine, even psychology and theology. This study about God, and and understanding the divine it made its way into that as well and White Christians at the time used this line of scientific racism as a means to to have power over their black brothers and sisters in a way that is really really painful. Hundreds of years ago hundreds of years ago. Yeah, that was kind of the leading science. I mean there's actually a book that that I discovered it and looking at some things over the last few days. It was actually published in the mid eighteen hundreds called types of mankind where it gives this approach to where it says. Hey, this kind of person is is this and these kinds of people people? We have similar story Australia out. Stories of racism and more tied to. The doctrine of discovery out racism in Australia is more similar to the native Americans Story Gotcha. In America about destroying aboriginals. Always in that same literature, they were the least of human. Really at the heart of this, you know in both situations. Is this idea of looking at people. That God has created that his birthday's is in. That were very good and saying that no, actually you are not human. Me and my wife are now. We're looking at our baby girl and we're saying baby were fully human. You know like the fact that has even be a conversation is just a really fascinating thing right now, and it's time for that kind of ready rhetoric. That type of ideology. To end because it is, it is true seeped its way into American culture into systems and everything else, and that's why this idea of black you'll be less than human is at the core of everything that we're seeing right now. It really is. It's just kind of hung on hundreds of years. Yeah, so we can talk about white supremacy. We can talk about white privilege. We can talk about all these different things, but at the core of it I believe. that. That's the issue, so if you'd like to watch their entire chat, then you can just go to youtube and then search church of the city East Nashville and it's the service from Sunday June seventh, and in their talk pastor Charles also mentioned a documentary called thirteenth on net flicks, so I decided to watch it, and is very interesting, heartbreaking, but interesting, and it's an in depth look at our nation's history of racial inequality and the prison system in the United States stuff that I had just never been exposed to or thought about so I encourage you to watch it if you got some time, so in relation to what Pastor Charles mentioned in the Clip I. I want to share a little video that Stevenson made the other day and I put it on Instagram, and it's about him talking about a potato. Hill award nothing is wrong with the PTO look like a heart, so I posted this video on Instagram and I'm going to read what I wrote because given a what pastor Charles said. It breaks my heart that. At a certain time in this country, and maybe even some right now. My? Son would be seen as less than human, so here's what I wrote. When I watched this I see more than Stevenson appreciating a rejected potato that was in our misfits market box a company that sells fruits and veggies that failed to meet beauty standards for Food I see a glimpse of how someone reject Stevenson and treat him differently because he is black, so let me put this in simple terms like Stevenson. Did for the heart shaped potato? Hey Hello, world! Nothing is wrong with Stevenson. He looks like a human. If you want to see that post, you can go to at radio. Amy, which is my instagram and yeah crazy. There was this potato in our our misfits market box, and I love that it was shaped like a heart. 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Merrin Boris to Thomas Rhett to Hillary Scott Steve Moakler CMT and and so many more and I just WanNa. Say you're very brave for what you put up. But for my listeners that don't know exactly what you put up. I was wondering if you would mind introducing yourself and then reading the post for those that didn't see it a my name is Rachel Berry like Amy said I wrote a post about how I you being black and a country, the clan, so I wrote this girl, Love, country, music and she loves going to continue to concert. However I would be lying if I said that she has never felt uncomfortable when she's at one. When I hear a song that moved me and makes me want to stand up which is often if you know, I, realized that I unconsciously things quickly, my head moments before I send up. What is someone else or racial flirty hearing? Sit Down is very common for my friends and now, but what if someone were to throw in an extra word at the end? Just for me before you buy tickets show. Have you ever looked up the name of the town or city and then racism I? Have there have been? been a few shows that I've had to pass on because the first two or three links that popped up where about acts of racism. That happened there. I've also had to plan out. Stop on long road trips. There's a possibility that getting out of my car in walking into a gas station or rest. Stop where I'm not welcome end that festivals and Fairs are also touchy I love a great music lineup, being with friends, the food and drinks the amusement rides and the game. What more could you ask for? That I felt uneasy walking through a crowd of tailgater and seeing confederate flag, flying high from this I find myself almost wishing I was invisible so I could walk through the crowd without being seen or not I don't say all of this simply because it is what it is in every day I'm still working on having become comfortable in my own skin, but all I ask from not only the country music community, but every human being on this earth. If you see or hear something wrong, speak up, call people out on it. Don't you think nor it look away or lap? Educate yourself your children and your family. Pertains to happen. We all have to be more vocal. We all have to stand together and stand up for what's right. We all bleed red. There's no racial divide period and Rachel. I know when you originally posted it. I! Think you had something in the beginning that said you know I. Don't know if anybody will even see this correct. And that would be my encouragement to everybody. Is that yeah? You still put that out there? Because you felt it on your heart, and you knew that you wanted to use your voice here and so I'm just super proud of you for putting that up and then I think you could be encouragement to other. So, what's your advice or someone? That's listening right now. That might be scared or or maybe just hesitant to. To Post something to use their voice opera just say I've noticed from responses that I've gotten that. There are so many people that relate to me and that you know haven't gone to country. Music shows because feeling, so I feel like you know if you feel a certain way, speak on it because there are people out there that agree with new and that feel the same way and that you're not alone, we. We definitely have your back Rachel and just thank you so much for bringing to light some of the stuff that a lot of people haven't thought of our had to consider even once because of their privilege I hope that people go to shows lookout for their black friends. That may be there and I do call us all friends, even though we don't know each other I mean. The country music community is so. So, tight knit and I feel like concerts are way to meet people and connect and just make sure that you're being kind to everybody there. No matter what they look like especially now knowing somebody may be had to google. Before they went to a concert in a particular city whether or not, they would be safer. Not I have no idea what you've had to experience at concerts at all, but I'm with you. I really appreciate that Kyi hopefully. I'll see you in Nashville. Good, thank you, Amy, K by. Okay, so you just heard my little chat with Rachel. After I talked with her, I opened up my four things email and I had an email from a listener named Linda, and I thought it fit really well here and I like what she suggested, and it's actually similar to something that we had to do years ago for interracial adoption training when my husband and I, as white people were asked to attend an all black church. Really the assignment was part of several things that we had to do to be aware of how our kids will feel if we. We only have them around white people. All the time and I thought it was really helpful for us to go through that training. So now I want to read to the email from Linda being white I. Don't think I fully appreciate what my black friends live with on a daily basis. Thank you for the reminder that we have work to do. Everyone has the right to live without fear and in peace some years ago, a friend asked me and another friend to go to the local African American festival. It was terrific. One Lady did yell at us. Doing here, this is for you. Several of her friends pulled her aside anyway. Our friend asked if I felt out of place. I said a little because I was pretty much one of the only Pale people in attendance. He looked me in the eye and said now you know how I feel most of the time I challenge, anyone when say from the virus, etc to put yourself in a similar situation. It was an amazing epiphany. Thanks for your time Linda. I lost a lot of followers on Instagram, and I lost listeners of this podcast, and my hope would be that the people that disagree with anything that they're hearing would actually continue to follow along and listen. Because I hope that one day they hear something that will click for them, but those people have already left pretty much, but I would encourage anyone else still listening while maybe disagreeing to just continue to listen with an open mind and to really. Really, listen to engage with others and just listen ask questions, and then listen to what people have to say. My friend Jamie Ivy posted a video on instagram. Talking about this exact thing. She's at Jamie IV and you can go to her page and watch her GT video from about five days ago at this point, just wearing sunglasses and a tank top just to give you reference, and like talking straight into the camera and she just encouraging. Encouraging people to to listen without having guard up without coming up with the defensive response in your head, while someone is talking you just simply listen anyway back to my point about losing followers, while that is happening, and I've received some not so nice notes I still feel super encouraged by a lot of you and I want to share an email that I got. That was very encouraging to me and I. Want you to know that? That, you're not alone if you're reevaluating what you consume from here on out and that I'm going to do my best to make this podcast a good resource for you by continuing the conversation of racial injustice, now may not be every single episode, but it will now be forever a part of the fabric of the four things podcast, and now here's the email that I got from a listener named Emily. Hey Amy I have no idea what. What kind of response you're getting from last Thursday's episode about racial topics including white privilege, so I'm reaching out today to be someone positive in your inbox. Thank you for using your platform to talk about topics like race. Thank you for centering black voices like Brittany and Dr Tatum last. Thursday's podcast was a fantastic educational resource. Thanks for making a happen. Thanks for using black lives matters on your social media and for the work that the. The shot Ford is doing to raise money for organizations fighting racial injustice, I see you're doing all the things improbably doing even more than we listeners don't see and I just WanNa. Say Thank you and encourage you to keep going I. realize you're doing all these things with some risk to your career and I'm proud of you for doing them anyway in a time when I'm reevaluating the media I consume cited relieved that I can still listen. Listen to your podcast is Thursday's podcast was one time thing I look forward to hearing how you continue to do this work. Maybe one of each of your four things is dedicated to the topic of race or social justice work each week. Thanks again, Emily Read Ten plus year. Bobby bones show listener and dedicated four things listener since the beginning and Emily I just want to thank you for the email. It was very nice and I. I I hope you'll know my point and sharing that is because your encouragement means a lot to me, but I think it can also be encouragement to others by hearing that it's not because I want to repeat back to you all someone that is thanking me for something, but there are a lot of people that I have on here like my guests last week. That's that's an appreciation and thanks to them that sin, appreciation and thanks to. To Rachel for coming on today to share her voice, and for that southwest flight attendant for posting her story on Facebook and others picking up the story, and putting it out there so that we can spread the positivity and share those types of stories. It's about my future guests, and thanking them ahead of time for coming on and being a part of this conversation, and again like I, said I don't know that it'll be every week. But it will be part of this show in something that you can expect from this podcast. I know that Mary and I are super excited about our empowered women series that we're going to be doing. It's GONNA take us a couple of months to put together. We don't have an official release date, but we already knew we wanted. Some diversity included in it for sure, but now we know that racial injustice has got to be topic, and how as women we can support other women, not just making sure that we have black women on to talk about Xyz but that we have people on. That can talk about this, very. Very thing that's happening in the country right now so if you have any other thoughts on the empowered women series that were doing. We created an email for that, which is empowered women at the shop Ford Dot, com send US suggestions of women. You want to hear from. Send US suggestions of topics. You would like for us to cover. We definitely want to hear from you on this, so we hope that we will empowered women at the shop. Ford Dot. 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Hour 1: Tom Junod

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

35:41 min | 7 months ago

Hour 1: Tom Junod

"Stugatz here. ADVANCE AUTO PARTS HAS ENDED A. Winner to their roster, diehard batteries about that. That's right. Diehard batteries are now in advance auto parts, and if you're a staff free like me, you know that means advance got a player with unrivalled reliability, durability and power, plus you can get free testing and free installation with purchase, and you don't even need an appointment. Advance your auto at advance, auto parts and participating carquest locations see stores for details the Dan lebatardshow with stugatz spot. Full four minutes ago, a surprise waddled into my life I had forgotten. That's was going to be in the studio. Because to God's has been in Bradenton. Florida because the pandemic is swept all over Florida I. AM presently doing this show wearing a mask. I'm hoping the audios. Okay. I'm going to bring extra energy to everything we're doing. The math is gonNA fog up my glasses. It's GonNa. Make it very hard for me to read much of anything. Put It on the pole. Guillermo at Lebatardshow. Are Your glasses fogging up because you're wearing a mask, yes, or no so. A couple of days ago, Stu Gotz, we had this great stat that Jerry Rice at forty years old had ninety three receptions, and the second and third place people with receptions in the history of football. After the age of forty were Tom Brady with one catch and Brett Farve. With another right? And Peter Burns of ESPN throughout. To his audience. Give me your favorite sports stat. Give me the the one that blows people away like The two of my favorites are wilt Chamberlain never fouling out of a game or Larry Fitzgerald. Having more tackles than dropped passenger in his career. Do you have any off the top of your head? Because I'm going to read some that were sent into him by people besides rings, plus minus put Lebron's rings in a box and put Michael's rings in a box and Michael Plus Three. Well, you did what Keith Olbermann did. which is you made that question about you? So he told Berman. His Stat is that Bob Costas is attended zero, no hitters and that he too has attended zero, no hitters, but he had to leave two no hitters, both after two winnings, it must make him insane that the only marlins game I went to in about five years. was a late decision to take my father to his birth for his birthday to see. Annabel Sanchez throw a no hitter in front of twelve. People At a football stadium, but here are some stats being sent in by a variety of people Dan showman. Tony Gwynn hit three, hundred, ninety four. With three strikeouts. In, two hundred seventy plate appearances against Greg Maddux Tom Glavin and John smoltz, so the the best staff of his generation, he hit three, ninety four and struck out three times in two hundred seventy plate appearance. They don't make them like Tony Gwynn anymore as you said yes. So Walter Jones has as many pro bowl selections as holding penalties in his entire career Peyton Manning's longest run in the NFL was thirty three yards. Trent Richardson was thirty two, so I want you to imagine the beating that Trent Richardson told across college in the pros and the most space he ever had was basically three. Three first downs it was thirty two yards, four Trent Richardson. Can you be one of the voices of baseball? If you've never been to a no hitter, I mean I don't WanNa. Come after anyone's credentials here, but go to the park. You know what I mean you go to the park enough? You'll see no hitters. Billy Gill over here seem to no hitters all right, and I'm no Keith Olbermann. It's a good question I. Mean probably put it on the poll now. Be a baseball expert without. Without attending no either forgive me for a second Forgive me for a second. Mike. Ryan is telling US something here. visually, but I. Don't please Mute Zoom Mike. Again go through this every time we go, we're. The lack. Sorry, all right. Enjoy that zoom window again for a second. Day! In, you look I. Look Terrible and stressed out I. Mean Yeah, you're you're the reason for pal bags. All Right? So what's going on with you, too? Because to God's has just begun the rubbing of the arms portion of hill soothing when he gets uncomfortable in almost seven thousand plate appearances Joey votto has popped out to the infield eight time this is this a pretty good one right here? More people have walked on the moon that have scored an earned run against Mariano, Rivera in the postseason. Mo.. Billy, what were to no hitters? You attended? You'll get an AJ Burnett no hitter now now. That was I thinking like San Diego something. More people have walked on the moon by the way that no hitters Keith Olbermann and Bob Causes of seen combined. That I saw at incident. Volquez is who could forget that no hitter on park at the park a couple years ago and Dan. Here's the thing about that. No hitter. After like the first or second in the first inning, he twisted his ankle and they were gonNA take him out of the game and guess what he powered through it. No hitter game of his life. The other one was Henderson Alvarez. That was a weird one, because that no hinder no that no hitter ended in a in walk off fashion with Henderson Alvarez in the on Deck Circle, and a pass ball got by, and someone came scampering home to score the only run of the game. Game True Marlins fashion. Billy, you you really have attended two of the worst. No hitters ever. I didn't even know there was much of a at that was a thing, but those two names that you throughout with your no hitters are not exactly the ones. You'RE GONNA pass down to your grandchildren. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's fair as a lifelong baseball fan when I saw the no hitter of Henderson Alvarez, I did kind of especially with the way that it ended I, did kind of think. Can Say I went to a no hitter, but I'm you know? Is this the one that I want to say it, and then at instant Volquez gave me a gem. Now you say forgettable I, remember it Dan as I said Bark at the park that they also there was pet adoptions outside, and I almost adopted a dog named after. Edison volkers just so that I would remember the day forever, but I didn't. And since Roy's Internet died on him I'm going to bring in a Hochstadt. That's pretty cool Wayne. Gretzky would still be the all time points leader if you subtracted. All of his goal nets pretty good. Pretty good now. Roy has disappeared as you know, we have had a hodgepodge of difficulties here billy is in my seat. Mike is in Jacksonville in a hotel room, really frustrated with stugatz. And so. On known why well I thought Oh! Allowed to say today where you are. You still not allowed to say where you are. I thought you were ready to say where you are. I'm in Jacksonville. You're not. You're not going to say what you're doing in Jacksonville. You're just gonNA leave it unstated. Preferred to I'm really wearing yesterday's God's experience on my face y'all y'all can see it. Seem crazy. You seem crazed manic. Rage filled. You look a little bit like Nicholas Cage in that movie where he'd ride a miters motorcycle and go on fire. Somewhere somewhere like that. You look like you're in mid Morph ongoing from being Nicholas Cage to being your full body on fire on a motorcycle Mike has every right to be upset with me to be frustrated with be. I looked through my notes last night. He keeps telling me to tighten it up. I wish he would use some other way to describe how I should operate moving forward, but he keeps say tighten it up. At Mike Golic News offer you not a private apology on air apology now I could come back and fight it a couple of different ways, but I'm not GonNa do that I. am trying to grow as a person as I get closer to fifty and what I'm going to say is I will own it despite the conversation. We had at my house a couple of weeks ago. I will own the does despite the fact, they put it in a calendar under my individual calendar and the group calendar the qualifiers you said you working. On. Not doing just pointing those things out, and then I am issuing a national. Public apology to you Mike Ryan. I was wrong yesterday. You were right and I will tighten it up moving four. I appreciate your apology, I will also go out of my way to not mention the fact that our conversation did not have any sort of certainty attached to it and happened before. Before, you sent an email, saying all your July events were canceled. I also will not mentioned that, and humbly accept your apology and commitment to tighten it the hell up and I accept your apology. I mean seem very nice of you like there is very little growth on either in there. Yeah, they're just entrenched on their side. You have noticed perhaps that that is A. Formula that's being repeated all across America right now to God if you don't know what they were talking about, Stu gods created an avalanche of lies where he was trying to get out of work yesterday, and he ended up getting a a half day out of it so perfect work for him in that he worked for ninety minutes and build espn for a trip. He took to Bradenton. Wear might be getting me and billy sick just to make this more difficult than it already is only one without a mask on right now. yeah well. I'm talking on the air. I mean I don't know what you want me. Me To do listen I tell you right now. Okay first off I will not charge espn trying to grow as a person as I get closer to fifty but I'm. GonNa get tested again because I am telling you in central Florida in Bradenton in that area, and the WNBA is right there. No one is paying attention to anything. We've gotTa talk about all that because the bubbles already contaminated, they're giving out. John ruled sandwiches in a box. Yeah, yes, they're just giving out these terrible sandwiches that are just profoundly sound sad, but there is some good news today for you. Justice seekers. The FBI has finally ensnared. Jisr, Lane, Maxwell The accomplished Jerry I'm sorry, Jeffrey Epstein and all of his issues with pedophilia and his mysterious death that some people don't believe was actually a suicide in a prison where there are never any suicides and I gotta think We gotTA. Keep this woman alive people to find out what she knows about. People Above Jeffrey Epstein who may have been doing like this. I actually am fascinated by whether or not because I've been wondering for why why? 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Sport is something that makes me do things out of character like even want a ballpark built in Miami, even though it doesn't support baseball with taxpayer money based on the emotional instead of the rational, it's basically a single issue. Vote that I vote on because it helps me. It's a selfish wrote way to do it, so i WanNa to tell you on the front end that obviously. The Return of sports is something that we want around here and I say that as someone who believes that our show is perfectly equipped to not have sports for many many months and not need sports in order to find three stuff three hours worth of stuff to throw feces at each other about every day, but all of that said okay I cannot imagine stu gods the undertaking now. That is our company. Trying to help MLS. And the NBA get off the ground in this bubble as Florida becomes infected as already mls, players are testing positive right and left as basketball has all manner of fear about returning to some mutated distorted season, all of this happening and make no illusions about it one hundred percent because of money or the need for money. And a half to sort of make the effort if your business minded. Because, this is the worst time in ESPN's histories to God. I don't even know what second I really don't know. In terms of a crisis, and we fall very low down on the list for people suffering through this crisis, but this is the absolute worst time in the history of ESPN, and here is ESPN with its parent. Company Walt Disney, having all sorts of issues getting hit from every side, the cruise industry, the park industry ESPN is a small business for Disney. ESPN for Disney is a small thing. We've summoned our uniquely qualified. Parent, company. To put sports in a bubble. and. It feels right. None of it feels like it's going to work, and I don't want to be cynical about it because it's the easiest thing in the world to be to be a critic, right as all the other people take the chances as all the other people have the weight of the burden on their back as all the other people have to make decisions about whether money's GonNa. Come in while we're still getting paid. I understand the conflict and there are times that it's worth making and times that it's not worth making for example I would argue and look. We're arguing about everything these. We can't even decide what facts are. masks have become a freedom issue the president of the United States. Is saying black lives? Matter is an expression of hate. Now we've gone there. We can't agree on on anything. Everything becomes an an argument but it is hard to argue right now. that sports should be coming back here. Got Because of how unsafe it feels. What I can say is, it should be coming back more than vanilla ice concert because vanilla. Having a July Fourth, party, not, yes, he is, he's having a July fourth concert. And Yeah, it's. That's okay Dan, because it's not a concert. It's at a restaurant that has a performance area, so it's really just like a dining. He's like the violinists that comes to your table to play now. They're selling tickets, so it may seem like a contract, but it's not a concert, Dan, because again. It's a restaurant. I want all those things. Is I want sports? I Love Sports. I. Understand the need for sports I. AM telling you guys? Having just experienced the area where they're sending some of these athletes. It's bad up there. It grows rapidly growing rapidly in the state of Florida and in his right. We probably I mean we probably shouldn't be doing this I. Think it's it's easier to offer an explanation as to why we shouldn't be doing it why we should do but it. 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What do you mean it's not fair? It's not just Tom. It's anyone I know. It's not just top, but all that stuff that you saw in the movies with Mr. Rogers and we've really made Tom Hanks angry by the way he's out here. Saying don't be a P. Word. Wear a mask like I. It's Tom Hanks. He's lost his mind, but all that stuff you read about Mister Rogers or you saw the movies about Mister. Rogers started with Tom. Juneau a I think a professed agnostic being so moved by his fundamental decency that it felt a little bit like being touched by spirituality touched by God because he was such a kind man so now Tom. Juneau has worked for two years on a story. That's going to air next Tuesday seven PM EASTERN ON ESPN Tom Thank you for joining us first of all explained to us why you would invest two years of your talent in one story. That was not a book or a project bigger than this. What it was one of those stories that seemed to have like everything in it. You know I mean. You know as soon as. The person who heard about it was my wife Janet she said. Did you see about this story about this guy in Maine? And I was like no, she said well you should. You should look at it, 'cause it's it's right up your alley, so she knows me and Um, and really the like the idea of. Just explain the story right now. So the stories about a guy who is killed at a baseball field at a Babe Ruth League game a woman who was in the middle of a psychotic episode drives her car in the field. She drives around. It's very crowded and there's a lot of people who think that they are going to die that night. She killed out of two hundred people on hand. She hits and kills One guy by the name of Doug Parker. For Day. He's a hero. And that comes out that fifty years earlier. He killed a little girl in a hit and run accident that he kept secret for decades. And so his secret is exposed. His heroism is to say the least called into question, and you know the cosmic wheels seems to turn basically I. Mean you know with with Fred, Rogers? You know I found a you know a spirituality through kindness. But the the you know the universe that's like in this story is a little bit harsher and a little bit more judgmental, and you know people talk about Karma. They talk about poetic justice. They talk about a lot of things in this story got it all. What did you learn again? The hero of Goodall Park it is good all right. That's how it's pronounced Goodall Park. Yeah, the hero of Goodall. Park airs next Tuesday seven PM EASTERN ON ESPN. Will. What did you learn? Because usually when you invest this much time in something, somebody with your brain power is going to do a lot of learning. Well I mean the the I think I learned a lot of things as far as life lessons, there's like don't keep a secret because it destroys everybody. I mean this guy. Doug Parker is thought he got away with it, but he actually you know. He destroyed the family of the little girl who never knew who killed this little girl, and then currently Ashby and, but he destroyed his own family as well everybody everybody in this story and this guy so in nineteen sixty eight. He's eighteen years old. It's Halloween night. He's driving drunk with his brother and passed out in the backseat to new. York, there's a girl whose birthday it is. She taking her little sister across the highway. He hits the Little Girl. Keeps on going that that decision. You know just kinda resonates for the next fifty years to to the to the lives of like three families. It's one decision, but it affects everybody and that's that's why learn I mean you you, you know you. You think you get away with something. You don't get away with something. So I'm once the longest amount of time that you've invested in the stories this it and if so, what would be second-placed? Writing a book about my dad that I started in two thousand fifteen, so and I'm still still a long way finishing so I. I guess I've I've gotten used to it, but you know, I've never I've I've never really invested this amount of time in in a magazine story, I've done I've done stories that have taken me four or five. Even six months, but two years a little bit different, but I think that the the difference in this is also that I've been working with Martin Code Bashing and ESPN e sixty, so there's two things that are coming out I got the There's a fifteen thousand word critise. Stu I you know. It's just it's just there there waiting for you. It's going to be coming out on Monday or Tuesday. Cut Down it's called the to me. Thousand Works Yeah Yeah Right. and then but. then. There's the television piece and this is the first. It's the first. TV documentary that I've ever worked on, and so you know pretty charged up about it, and that's one of the reasons why it took so long. The hero of Goodall Park airs next Tuesday seven PM EASTERN ON ESPN and for those who are unfamiliar with the story or just joining us. How did the secret unravel? Like? What were the particulars that made this come apart, and how much haunting was there in keeping the secret before it really became open knowledge. Yeah, that's A. That's a great question. So, eighteen year old Douglas has kills a little girl and drives away forty five during that whole time. Because the girl the Carolina asked me was holding the hand of her fifteen year old sister Darlene Darlene walking across the road. She you know. She says that she feels the tug. She looks down her hands empty for little sister is one hundred thirty feet down. The road is really is the sequence of it so. So, she is haunted. You know every day of life. There's not a moment in her life where she doesn't feel the emptiness of the hand that was holding her sister's hand but the other thing that haunts her is that she's always wondering whenever she meets people do they know? Do they know who the person is? Even her friends? She was like maybe the somebody's. You know somebody's got to know who did this. And you know. She turned out to be right forty five years after the after the incident, she gets a a no through a facebook direct mail of a person that she knew back and fourteen Fulton New York at the time, who was asked to provide an alibi for Doug Parker. By Doug Parker's family, and so she lived with that for forty five years, and so she finally tells Ruby Sorry, she finally tells Darlene and Darlene goes to the police, and they start their investigation and I've also got to know those two policemen. Well and they were, they were just dogged. They were amazing. Why why did she hold onto it? For forty five years, and what after forty five years made her go a different direction? she was afraid. I mean flat out I mean. She was afraid she was a kid. there was a point where one of the guys the guy who's in the backseat of the car is Lenny Parker's Doug Parker's brother. Tells her that they still the car that killed Carolina Ashby with a sixty two buick special. I mean this is like right out of Stephen. King. It's like Christine. But he tells her that they still have the car. And do you want to go? You know the car is buried in a place where it will never be found, and do you WanNa? Come and see it. And she hears that and she says if I go to see that car I'm never gonNA. Come back, so she? She gets scared. Basically is what what happens. What happened was that they tried to? This was a closed case. You know for a long time. It got reopened in two thousand by a policeman, a detective who could never break it, but was haunted by and when he retired, he put a message on Fulton New York memories side was called Fulton Fulton Memories. And he said you know speaking of Fulton Memories that anybody have any information about the death of Carolina Ashby which was legendary in Fulton. It was like this case that you know. Kids went out on Halloween. Night was like. Don't end up like the little girl who died on how in on Halloween nineteen, sixty eight? It's like it was like a ghost story Fulton New York and she finally came out and decided to say something. He does really good work. Check out some of it next Tuesday seven PM Eastern. Espn Tom Gino the hero of Goodall Park. Thank you for being on with US Tom. Thanks guys. Safety is at the heart of every Volvo. The Volvo XC SIXTY SUV is for safer trips, and for the road, the available pilot assist helps keep centered on long stretches and active bending lights. 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You prefer are I put that on the poll as well then at Lebatardshow, or is it that his name is Tommy and he is headed to a place called. TUB reveal Yes, or no was Antonio Brown. Wearing that raiders helmet. That was the subject of much controversy when he was running routes with Russell Wilson. Oh. Look! We got our first smile from Mike Ryan in an our of just seething at Stugatz for an avalanche of lies. Did you notice Mike? Is it you bought for? How much did you buy? What did buy the Antonio? Brown Memorabilia you bought a jersey. The Raiders Jersey at pennies on the dollar I. Think like thirty dollars. I got an autograph Raiders Antonio Brown. Jersey, it's a conversation piece. It's a bargain. It really is a bargain, but was he wearing that controversial helmet while running routes with Russell Wilson because I do love the idea and I'm good with this. If it happens for the remainder of all of our lives where every couple of months you just see Antonio Brown. Offering you the promise of maybe one day called catching eighty yard passes for your team, but never actually doing just. Just working with Russell Wilson just enough to make people excited that Seattle's the team that's going to take the risk of this is somewhat related, but I'd entirely related am I the only one that was confused so Russell Wilson's handle I believe his danger, Russ, and then like a number right and for the longest time I couldn't figure out that it's because it's dangerous. Really you didn't know I was like what did you figure what did you? Couldn't figure it out. I'm like. Why is his name danger like what's going on there? As he like trying to seem like a bad boy because danger. Russ doesn't seem like someone that gets into many danger. Run situations right like a dangerous seems like he's pretty like. Say! He's against stones. You're you're. You're so right about this danger. Russ seems like he's against. A Danger Chevy ranger us that work. I could see danger Russ was a ranger Russ uniform working in a national park. Ranger Russ. You're you don't want. The thing that's puzzling about danger. Russ or Ranger Russ is that his style of play is absolutely dangerous, but his personality is absolutely ranger ruts. Strange it. Is based on person out he. WOULD YOU GUESS NFL? quarterback one of the all time greats or Park Ranger. Yeah, I don't know I on personality alone. We know the answer to that. It's absolutely ranger Rut. He's very high on my list of athletes who probably also an eagle scout. Yeah, he's absolutely wearing ridiculous hat while telling you that you cannot walk on that particular batch of Petunias, any to you need to stay on the other side of the ropes, and he says it very politely while wearing a brown hat. That has some sort of leather strap on it. It is a it's so true I. Never wanted quarterback. You don't WanNa see me either. 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The Hero of Goodall Park

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34:42 min | 7 months ago

The Hero of Goodall Park

"We know one when we see one. Thing we do. That's why we go to the BALLPARK. Simple there. But in life. Heroes can hide dark secrets. In carry heavy burdens. And in this story. You have to go to. A ballpark built more than one hundred years ago. A park with a history of. To find out why one of them? Aren't. To Die! Those are the words of ESPN senior writer Tom Juno. Latest story is called the hero of Goodall Park. It's a story of a fateful moment on the baseball field that left a man dead and hailed as a savior. That is until a fifty year old secret came to light. Raising questions about what it really means to be a hero. And what it takes for a family to forgive. Kind. It's Tuesday July seventh. This is ESPN daily. Tom Your written story and east sixty feature, both called the hero of Goodall Park I'm GonNa Start with a very obvious question. Where is goodall? Park in what is it? Good, old park is a ballpark in Sanford. Maine, which is an old and failing mill town. It was built one hundred five years ago, and it is still in that town called by one and all the crown jewel of Sanford. It's beautiful. It's really a place that is quite idyllic in a town that is really kind of no longer idyllic, and everybody knows it, and everybody's aware of its beauty and the special place. It holds in the town's history. It also holds a place in baseball history, right? Indeed does. Pawn October. First Nineteen Nineteen, a barnstorming team comprised mostly of Boston red SOx players, including a player who had just hit a major league record, twenty nine home runs, and that was babe. Ruth came in there and they played. The good mills semi pro team. The good team had elite until the eighth inning when the baby got up with two guys on. And he hit home. Run their that people estimate went seven hundred feet. There's a candy store and it's now closed seven hundred feet away from home plate and people claim. That the Babes bomb landed on the roof. Your Story Begins Ninety nine years after Babes. homerun coincidentally at a Babe Ruth League Baseball game, so there's thirteen and fourteen year old kids on the field at Goodall Park, playing in a doubleheader. What happened? Beautiful night, it was the. First sort of summary Night of the season after a really cold spring, so there are a lot of people there there about two hundred people there watching. And there were making a pitching change in the fifth inning. The people in the crowd I end on the field. Always remember the street that they heard outside and it was a car. That screech turned into this roar. And then the car came in through the outside gate, wound its way around Halley this old alley. That's there and then it bursts through the gates. Onto the ball field. And it rounded the bases. Like a bizarro world rounding the bases, it went from third to second to first. And I've talked to a lot of the kids. That were there on the field. I mean the car was heading right at them. They scattered, but. It came close enough for them to. Thirteen years old and they see the end. The first base. Began waving his arms so that he would draw the attention. Of the driver to him rather than to the kids on the field, he was sure a lot of people were sure that the driver was trying to to kill somebody. She went right towards him and then turned. She went right towards the homebase. And turned, and then went back out and hit the gate to the street. And people kind of thought that know what was happening was over, but she will the car into reverse, and then went for the other gate to the main street and picked up a lot of speech. WHO's probably going forty miles an hour? A man had decided to come down from the stands and close the gate. No one knows exactly why he wanted to close the gate. and. He stood there. People. Call for him to get out of the way. And he didn't, and she accelerated right into them. His sneakers went flying off into the sky. And he landed on the road and a immediately a pool of blood. Appeared around his head. She screeched off to main street. It was a hit and run. Fatal accident. The car, missing the kids, but hits sixty eight year old Douglas Parkhurst. Who witnesses say tried to protect the kids by pushing them out of the way you try to do the right thing and just try to keep her in. Prevent her from getting out and maybe hurting somebody else. That man was sixty eight year old Douglas Parkhurst. What was he doing it the game that day? He was watching his grandson cameron. Play second base and he did this all the time. He had like a regular seat at Goodall Park that he took pretty much every game. He was a regular attendee of Cameron's games. Who was driving the car that killed Douglas. The driver was a woman named Carol Shero. We're learning more now about the woman behind the wheel. Police say fifty one year old. Carol Shero accused now of killing a man who is trying to push children out of harm's way. Carol lived close to go to a park. And she worked as a cashier at the lowes at the south end of Sanford. She was also battling bipolar illness for a long time. She was pretty well known to people and the police went. Right to her apartment, and they began questioning her. Vehicles here showing front end damage damage to the hood. I know I know. You. Don't know me. And one of the first things that she asked she said. Do you know Babe Ruth? The detective. His name was Matt. said no I don't. Do, you, she goes Oh yeah. We play on the same team. Did you. Did you. Thought. He died a long time ago. So, Matt knew right away that she was having a psychotic episode. Do you take medications? Vitamins or maybe supplements to know prescription medications. Them. Can you remind me what your diagnosis is? Speaking one, By it's. It's only because of altitude lied to token navy seal. About. Twenty minutes into the conversation, his cell phone rang. and. It was another detective calling from the field to say that Douglas Parkhurst had died. All right so carol. You're under arrest. So Tom, sixty eight year old Douglas. Parkers was killed, trying to protect these kids from a runaway driver and afterwards a lot of people call him hero. What do you think drove him to do what he did that day? Well, That is the question. That concerns concerns my story. When the car was on the field, he turned to the woman next to him and said I need to go. Do something to protect the children and he went down. To the gate at a time one pretty much, everybody was going in the opposite direction and people think that he was motivated. By desire for the car nut to go across the street where there were several little league games going on, and those fields were crowded with very very small children. For about a day, he was considered a hero. The hero of Sanford. Within a day, though information came out that that changed the story drastically. I guess he's two different people. If! I'm a person that living in Maine. My child's on the field and I perceived him saving him. He's probably my hero here. In Fulton New, YORK! Not so much, not about the hero here. All right after the break. Let's talk about that information and what it means for this story. Volvo helps protect what matters most your family. The Volvo XC NINETY SUV offers a range of advanced safety features like an available built and booster seat for your kids, safety and comfort in a blind spot information system that has your back and alerts you to cars in your blind spot wherever you go, some are safely explore exclusive offers on the exceed ninety during the Volvo summer safely savings event visit Volvo, cars dot com slash us to learn more. Oh! Tom, in, many ways, the story of what happened on that baseball field in two thousand, eighteen, actually begins all the way back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight in Douglas Parkhurst hometown of Fulton York so on this night. It's Halloween and fifteen year old girl named Darlene. Ashby is walk into a store with her four year old sister. Carolee what happens next. The first thing you have to know about that night, it was as you say was Halloween, but it was also darlings. Birthday was darlings fifteenth birthday, and she had a four year old sister caroline that everybody doted on and Kelly wanted to go get candles for Darlene birthday cake. Everything that carolee asked for she got so darlene her across the main road to a grocery store and bought some candles. Channel Black Rubber boots. Radish, put it sweater. She was always et. Riding. As, they were leaving Darlene thought. Well. She would do something for Carolina. And so they stopped at a Carville. And they got a soft serve ice cream cone for Kerley, and then they headed home. Fulton is a town where they have this two lane highway highway fifty seven, going right through town. So it was a busy road. They crossed it many times. Darlene Takes Carolina by the hand and tries to go across the street, but they have to stop in the middle because there's a car. I saw carmelites common, so I stopped my sister in the metal and. Give Carolina just had her stand behind me a little bit. We just stood in the middle and. It was like a matter of me paying attached to the car in front of us. Losing track of what's coming behind us. While, they're standing there. Darlene feels something that she describes as tug. And she feels this emptiness in her hand. I want to look down for her and realize that. Even their. The car clipped her and didn't even move me. I remember her ice cream in the road to. It knocked her boots. I know they're boot was there with her ice cream? She looks down the road, and she sees her sister Kerley one hundred thirty feet away. On the double yellow line, the other thing that she sees is a car speeding off and not slowing down and from that moment on she. Never knew who hit and killed her sister. It just keeps you in turmoil all the time. Always don't even think there's a day goes by and think about it. You're always wondering. Why somebody would hit a child and keep calling and never surface. Police investigate the hit and run. They did a a pretty extensive investigation. They basically tried to talk to everybody who reported an accident that night, or was even rumored to have been in an accident that night. There was a thick folder of leads Anna of interviews that they did, but they were never able to close that case. How did the? Investigation Carolee Steph affect her sister Darlene over the next five years. Well changed her entire family's life completely, their lives were never the same. In. With Darlene. It wasn't just the loss. It wasn't just that feeling of having your four year old sister's hand in yours, and then all of a sudden. They're being nothing there. It was the suspicion. That someone out there knew. That someone out there had to know the identity of the person who killed her sister and drove away, and she waited a long time, but she was right. How are they able to find out? The case was reopened in nineteen, ninety nine police started going through the case folder again. But once again they were not able to close the case, but one of the detectives on that. He was so frustrated with not being able to solve it that he posted a note on facebook webpage full memories. He, said anybody have any information about the Carolina Ashby case. A former friend of Darlene approach was ruby maximum, saw the facebook post from the detective and contacted Darlene. The say that she'd been asked. Forty, five years earlier. Right after Carolina was killed to provide. An Alibi for Douglas Parkhurst and Ruby refused. But. She also never told anybody and she didn't tell anybody for forty five years until she saw that no on that particular facebook page. So let me get this straight in nineteen sixty eight Douglas Parker. St- man. We've been talking about. He ask someone to be his alibi on the same night that a hit and run driver killed four year old. Carol Lee Ashby. Then forty five years later in two thousand thirteen. Darlene was tipped off that information. So what happened next? Darlene went to the police. Wall of the people who had. Investigated the crime back in nineteen, sixty eight, and also back in nineteen, ninety nine in the early two thousands had retired, but there were two detectives. They're who took it on. That's. Stephen Lawn. and Michael Batstone. and. They began their own investigation One of the things that has always given me. chills was talking to Michael Batstone about the first time he went back into the case file I'm sitting there and I'm reading these reports from eighteen, sixty eight, and when I got to the one where Doug Parker's Dame had came up here in the back. Next is right up, 'cause. It's right here. He opened up the case file. And there was an interview between Doug Parkhurst and a policeman. because. They were just checking every car that had been in an accident. They asked Doug how he had done damage to his sixty two buick special. In the reports, a mother of Doug Parker St- was saying that her son was having a hard time sleeping nightmares crying about an accident he was involved in the city of Fulton where he had struck a post or pull. And the policeman asked him to take them out to see it. And then took out a tape measure. Measured, the concrete post measured the height of the damage on Doug Parker's car and he said. There's no way that that post caused that damage and he wrote that in the police report. And yet it never went anywhere I mean they. They had him in nineteen sixty eight. was there any other evidence? As it turns out. There was more evidence a lot of evidence because the police found out that the nine, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, two Buick special. that. Doug Parker's was driving that night. was still around. We'd found out that the vehicle had been brought to his sister's house. And then it was in the woods, outback and dispatched my officers to go there. Sure enough. They had found the vehicle. The first thing that stuck out to us as the driver's side front fender. And there was an impression that we felt was the same impression that was described in nineteen, sixty, eight and that. On. The vehicle was done. Buick. License Plate, bracket. A done Buick. Broken license plate bracket was located at seeing the accident. This vehicle was purchased. By Doug Parkinson at Don Buick in the city of Fulton. We felt. Hundred percent sure that this is vehicle involved in the accident. Today immediately arrest Douglas. They couldn't arrest them because the statute of limitations had expired. So they kind of begin this dance with Doug, Parkhurst. And you, the dances trying to get him. To confess to this crime and he. Interesting because he never, he never denies. that. If I can remember I would I, would write up. That I can't remember them. Tell you I don't remember. If you guilty I. Would I think I would remember that. And then you know one morning when? They think they've gotten as much as they can get out of him. The phone rings and it's Doug, Parker's, and he says I want to guarantee. You won't arrest me, but I'd like to tell the story. Getting arrested. If you were to say something, right. Right. What is your feeling? Very good chance! You remember. Above? Mass. There's no way. They. Do you think that you remembered it in? Your percentage on. How sure you are hitting girl, what would you say? Ninety nine percent eighty. Percent Surely. So after Douglas Parkhurst essentially confessed. Did he ever apologize. Darlene Ashby or family for what he did all the way back in nineteen, sixty eight. He was given a chance to. That's all that London. Batstone were going for at that point. They couldn't arrest him, so they were looking for nothing more than to give peace to Darlene Ashby. They got. Ninety nine per cent confession. I said what's ninety. Nine Then, he said well, he won't fully admit. But he he's pretty much, told us seat must be the one. and. He told them that he wanted. To be forgiven in that he was sorry. He was asked right after confession. Would you want to go see them and make amends? And, he said No. He said he wasn't ready. And instead of. Doing that he called up his sons, who lived in Sanford Maine and said I can't face anybody in Fulton, and can I come in love with you, so he. Left Fulton. Without apologizing to Darlene Ashby and without giving them peace and went to Sanford. Darlene. Gotten to know quite well is expected that the knowledge of who did it was going to give her peace, but it wasn't that because it didn't what she wanted to know. What is that someone care? I would had compassion for him. Half say we're sorry that. Because then, I would've known that. that. He cared. She needed that, and she did not find the piece that she thought she was going to get from the confession. She needed the apology. All right after the break. Let's talk about how Darlene eventually got that apology. And who the actual hero of Goodall Parkas. We're presented by marathon now more than ever. 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To Tom as you reporting this story in two dozen nineteen, you became close with both these families. Parkhurst through Douglas Children and the Ashby's through Darlene. Ultimately you brought them together. Yeah. One day by get this this text from this young man that I've only met once, and that's Douglas Parker the third. When I went out to interview his father Douglas Parker's junior I just happened to meet him, but he was very quiet, and just kind of was just kind of watchful, as I talked to his dad, and then I get this text from him. Saying I'd like to. I'd like to talk with you. There's something i. i WanNa say. He's this kid you know he's nineteen. He's nineteen years old. He dropped out of high school after his grandfather was killed. He's unemployed and trying to get his ged. Sense of like mission. and. Around him. That's really kind of remarkable. and. Anita many he says listen I WANNA meet. With Darlene Ashby. And ask her on my family's behalf for forgiveness. It was just out of nowhere and you know completely remarkable that this kid decided to take on. The tasks that his grandfather could not bring himself to do. That's one thing that they looked for was an apology. And my grandfather was too stubborn to do that. There's one piece of that puzzle missing and I think I'm not last piece of the puzzle. So many is to do it. I'm the one. And so. This last October. We headed out. To Fulton from Sanford and I say we because you know Doug Parker's third. We call him. D. Three did not have a driver's license did not have a car just gotten a job working the midnight shift at the Burger King on the throughway rest stop. He was like an unlikely. Agent of salvation, but that's what he volunteered to be. He was not going to make a ton of Fulton on his own, so I volunteered to help them. I drove him. There says it's a four hundred mile trip. PULL UP TO FULTON DARLENE is. Waiting. Matte this lake where Carolee used to swim. and. I decided just to not go with him. I said good luck and one of the. Lasting scenes of my journalistic career is watching. Douglas, Parker's third. In his shorts on a cold October Day Walk to give peace to Darlene Ashby. Name's Doug Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too. Not Good. I was thinking of, but I don't WanNa. Put you on the spa of what triggered you to. What you went through your mind. I don't really think I. I came up with the decision to come here. I think it was just something that was meant to happen. You know certain things in life. You can't really explain and this is one of them. It's needed to be done. You know so many needed a pretty awesome. Thank you. You are, too. And I am truly sorry about everything that happened. I believe that not. My parents. That's all they wanted was just an I'm sorry to. Put some worth into her life and. Ten think that somebody might not have thought that she was worth. Saying I'm sorry. Absolutely. have so proud of you. This is not a lot of young people like you around lately. And, if you don't mind on, give you. Tom This story begins on baseball field with an act that makes a man seem like a hero I. Think by the end it's obvious. That definition I think perhaps not just for him, but more broadly is a lot murkier than it seems at the beginning. In your estimation does the story, have a hero. Yet does. This is a story about what people. Choose to do. With their pain. And what people do to be redeemed? Everybody in the story struggles with their pain, but there's only one. person. Who Decides to out of nowhere to take on that burden. And Take it off, somebody else's shoulders. and. That's nineteen year old. Douglas Parkers the third the three. He is. The hero of Goodall Park. The hero of Goodall, Park turns out to be the least. Likely. Character in it. Thanks so much Tom. Thanks Nina. I short postscript to this story Carol Shero. The woman who drove for car onto the field at goodall park was found not criminally responsible for the deaths doubtless Parker's because in the grip of psychosis during the incident. Instead of being incarcerated, she was institutionalized indefinitely at riverview psychiatric center in Augusta Maine. You can watch the latest episode of e sixty. The Hero Goodall Park Tonight at seven PM Eastern on ESPN and you can read Thomas Print story on ESPN DOT com. And this has been ESPN daily. I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Episode #166 - Smarter Cruising with The Cruise Genius, Scott Lara!

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Episode #166 - Smarter Cruising with The Cruise Genius, Scott Lara!

"Episode 166 The cruise dudes podcast. Welcome to the. PODCAST with your host Tommy Alson and Scott Andrews. We celebrate the cruise vacation lifestyle got your passport and cruised card ready. Welcome to our show. Hello everyone welcome tempus one, sixty, six of the cruise dudes podcast. Hello There Scott Love Jami how you doing today? I am doing great. That's awesome to hear. You know we are still under lockdown but I'm doing great. Yeah. WHO'LL RT down your wife? Yeah. That's what who did it locked me down. Let me tell away she go roaming the streets. The streets for you sir. So. What do we have today? It something interesting. Something new. What is it? We have a great interview again with who we have a great interview with the cruise. Genius. Scott Scott wait wait I'm interviewing myself. No, no. No, we're not any interviewing. You are interviewing the cruise genius Scott Lara Scott Laura. Well, it's another great sky. Great Scott Scurry Scott. Hey, I have some crews news I wanNA talk about and we do that I and they're gonNA get right into the interview. Let's get over there. All right let's go. Right here we are. Oh my gosh truths. Dude Studio south-south South L. Yet. You have like the drop anchor stuff up let your dream set you free. You have your feel the breeze you have everything here. That's right. This is great. We have we have our. We call it a casting couch. Oh No. No that was from the eighties right? We don't have casting doubt. Just have a podcast a podcast couch Oh yeah. Yes we were. We only podcast from. Oh. Okay. You don't take it anywhere else. I'm not I don't live here. It's your wife. This is my. Our House with the casting couch no, we're the PODCAST. Couch. Oh on the podcast couch. Scotla skit moving along. See I always get. So twisted like what what what podcast couch it's a podcast couch. All right. We have some influx crews. Influx influxes like reflex l.. My lex it is reflect sation. Keeps on coming back, home my gosh. Ongoing. Well, you know prints aspirin says. On hold the end of December. I thought that's ever fifteen December fifteen. The end but near the right. And then they'll they'll. At it I still real. I honestly think it's going to be January or February okay I. Think by Norwegian finally came out and they said November thirtieth now they're stopping all the cruises until November thirtieth. So we do have the cruise line starting to follow fall ensue us do have some that are in Europe that are like Kunert Cunard is sailing right now. I'm not sure how long that will last but you have some cruise lines that are. To bring back on the European cruise lines right the European. Cruise lines. Oh, yeah. Oh. Yeah. But I have to ask have you booked any cruises yet because all my gosh deals out there. Yes I have Diane Maza Dollars No. It's Oh. It's been a great value. Alaska's looking good for us. Yeah. Next year and also We are re booking our Mediterranean cruise the and then I'm looking at a secret I. Don't want my wife to hear this. But I'm looking at a Panama Canal cruise who you see I was GonNa do that one but I just ended up booking. Alaska the West Coast Mexico. Carribean. And there was another one. But yeah five I got five so far good five so far. But I started all of my cruising August like in the middle of August and kind of doing it that way because I'm a teacher anyway. So you gotta get a well, I have to navigate everything even if cruising comes back, they're still going to be restrictions as a teacher from the school district. So so when you come back, you'll have to say quarantine is I have to double the I'm guessing I don't know what's coming. Wife's going to put you in the dog s which. She'll be with me in the dog, the dog house on the podcasts couch. Yes. I can say that. But you know what? I'm hearing what are you hearing I'm hearing so very voices in your head again i. For that I know and I take it and it feels so good. It feels good. Hear that makes me fly away makes me think on a cruise ship? Ella boy. Let me tell you. Don't want to tell you what those things are. They're like little. Crack in half. or now you have the herbal supplements and you. What is legal in California now everything everything but I'm going to let you guys know actually I don't do that. I can sue my beverages I don't do the other stuff. I've just I've never have. I just never wanted to do that. Okay good. Okay. Now, I WANNA get to why is everybody now jumping on board thinking that They knew what all of these cruise lines were going to do kind of like Disneyland. You hear about the Disney you're telling me something about Disneyland. What was that about Oh? Yeah. There's no hurry in reopening theme parks in the State of California. No No. You say that you've got somebody's nations something to you. Just have to tell me Oh. Disneyland's GonNa Open Real soon. Yeah and. I I still do a Disney podcast Geek podcast and you know we talk about that type of stuff. So right over there and you know you hear a lot of rumors because there's so many cast members and so many people annual pass holders and you're part of facebook groups and things like that. People see things they think something's happening down there by the because they saw something happen you know at the park. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Somebody climbed on data. Horn Matt Hi. What it is, but you know anyway so governor has a last few weeks. Oh Yeah. We're going to have the guidelines coming soon and then it's going to be this week and then this kids like Disneyland because only way we could do this. So I don't know because Pelosi goes out, gets a haircut and then everything is open. We need to get his kids wanting to go to Disneyland then everything opens cruising to their well, let's get. To It really does you know Disney the theme parks. Parks the the tourism business here in in southern California. It's just not Disneyland Disneyland is a major draw to at, but it's the other theme parks as well. Knott's Berry Farm Universal Studios Hollywood, the Groman, Chinese theater, the the museums. And Museum the new museum being built George Lucas So all these different places are are draw to southern California in our area and plus we have. Some awesome sports teams, the Lakers well, the dodgers late any yeah. The Lakers. Aren't they three to one right now right now are they win Yari the ports of Miami and I'm sorry He yet sorry for the heat. Turn off the heat and the Lakers. Exactly but you know what? The Lakers are drown the heat during. The lake. I was just thinking and we're getting off a cruising anyway started I'm saying that is the reason why is because they're people and I've seen this on my? Royal Princess Cruise. That people have Disney shirts on and they have things that because they've they've gone to the theme bark. Before the cruise or after the. Site right and so I mean, and the the theme parks are less than I would say twenty twenty, five miles away from San Pedro Long Beach and so if you're coming out here from the east coast or even the Midwest or southern states such as. Our. Border States. And Nevada in. Oregon and Utah as well as far as UTAH. Washington we have lots of people that come down for the theme parks and cruising as well. So people like to do a double head try to do all those things at once and so wouldn't it be great? Just think about this There's outside parking for Disneyland. Right? You could. You could park outside in the open. They don't have all structures. You could actually right now you can go. We went down there. But a of about a week ago, we can have to go ten days ago and we parked in the. Palumbo Lot, which is actually the It's an outside lot. Outdoor. Okay. Wouldn't it be great if Disneyland would just do a firework show for all of those pass holders, they can make the reservations they drive into the parking lot at they have to be in the car and then they do the. Fireworks with. Fortunately. The for you can't see the fireworks from. Is Pure hotel blocks it and so also the. Disneyland Hotel. So. Yeah. It's not that. Eric how about this recruits ships? What if the Panorama went back into port and just like the Queen Mary opened up as a floating hotel and offered two or three day stays where you have the pool, you have the entertainment you have all the restaurants going, but it doesn't go anywhere I I think that's a great idea is. Because because if you consider it that way, then you're doing exactly what the Queen Mary is doing. It's a floating hotel you're not moving anywhere. So if they did that, they could actually start bringing back that I want to get onto his ship type. Of thing, you still have the entertainment. You won't have the adult casinos. No, but you could still do everything else there. I mean wouldn't that be the awesome that will. Stay three and. And you know it would be goals that they could do fireworks. America's fireworks right? Oh. My origin. The inaugural. Out Right there and shoot off fireworks of I got I. Think we have something for carnival I mean can you picture that you go in our avoid higher us for Zach Gr stop even even Princess I mean you can go in go in on a Friday night you stay there Friday night and then you go around you do you're eating you do all of that Saturday you're by the pool you're doing entertainment they're doing gains doing Hasbro on stage. They're doing all of that and then at night on Saturday night fireworks are booming everywhere Sunday everybody has to be our about how `bout you do. Everything out in front of. Catalina Oh wouldn't that be ceautiful, but we can't because you're cruising out. You have to like get away from that. It's more of, but it was still be nice. It would be you're a stationary hotel that's what you are right now and if they if they could label it with Long Beach as we're not gonNA move anywhere, we're to be right here just like the Queen Mary were docked. Why not would that be awesome fun I like that I like to I think I would do that. I would do that for a couple of days. It's like a weekend stay a little station on vacation. Internet's Your own port and your port and right I wouldn't, and if you're coming in from California, you still do all the checks because you know you're coming in to a hotel just like when we went down the Sandiego, you do your temperature checks you do all of that they're still going. Along it might be a good thing to do at first for these cruise lines. Do did something like this at first to Kinda see how things are going and flowing with other example? Exactly, maybe a couple weekends getting this on and you know maybe in December. We get this going here carvel Princess I hope you're listening. Lie. Pay. As a consulting. We just need cruises I've already booked. So many just can you help me out with US OK? Well I want to smell the see and feel the breeze out. Oh my Gosh I do too I do too. You want to hear the ocean I want to hear the ocean but but you know what else do I want to hear though you want to hear the horror Nah and the here I WanNa Year Scott Laura yes I do too. About you. Let's go to Scott let's talk. Cruise Oh. Yes. Here we go. With Scott Scotland the cruise genius on Cruise Dudes podcast. Hello. Scott, how are you doing today I'm doing great how you know not that Scott Scott Laura Hello Scott Are you thank you so much I was wondering who you were talking to. Hey, it is great to be on the show. Thank you so much. Yeah well welcome to the cruise podcast. We're so glad to have year today. So how's the weather back there? Well, I'm in Jacksonville Florida and the weather is really nice. It is starting to cool down a little bit I. Think we're like hitting upper seventies, low eighties. So we're putting the snow chains on our tires and refilling the antifreeze in our cars. So it's a it's a really nice out. Well, that's great. That's great. Well, we are so glad to have you on our show. We've been trying to connect for the last few months and we know that you have been doing some. Z. And traveling, and even during Kovin you've been traveling and so we're going to learn more about that. But we're so glad to know that you're you're doing savior. You're healthy everyone's doing healthy either absolutely you know I've been married thirty six years my wife amazing and I got a daughter who's given me two grandkids and her husband, my son Tim he's thirty three and got two grandkids three year old and a one year old and I'll tell you they're just huge blessings and totally changed my life. I'm getting there I'm going to. Push. My little daughter out next chair into the college realm and I'm still trying to get rid of my son but that's okay. Yeah I get. Yeah. Well so we're here to talk about cruising. Well, we of course, families always involving cruising and things like that. But how did you get introduced to cruising? That is a very interesting question. I was eighteen I grew up in Chicago and I joined the Navy, and so you know when they said you know joined the Navy see the world they forgot to tell us that seventy five percent of the world is water. So I ended up. I ended up getting on our ship. It was about one hundred and thirty guys it was a frigate. World I went to Italy Spain France through the Suez. Canal through the Panama Canal and then all over the world and I just fell in love with being at sea and tell you guys if you have not seen the movie Greyhound on apple plus a with Tom Hanks that is a must watch for you and pretty for your audience to kind of have an idea how it was back in the day but I love being in the Navy I. Was Afraid Armand and It was a lot of fun and so I got out in eighty eight and we we moved around quite a bit doing a couple of things. But now we're back in Jackson, we've been back in Jacksonville for quite a while it is a navy town and so that's where I fell in love with cruising and my first cruise on the carnival fantasy with my wife years ago and I tell you that When you walk down the fantasy that was a Joe Argus I think he was the original. You know a designer I mean man that hit you like a ton of bricks when you walk down that ship I mean it was just so loud and Gaudy and everything, and you know here in Jacksonville, we used to have the carnival fascination, which is again, very sad. Another ship that's gone by the wayside along with one of my favorites to Ms Mazda I mean from Holland. America. Line but the point is, is that you know fascination ecstasy, all those you know fantasy class ships just had a style and grace all their own, and I'm actually kind of sad that they're getting rid of the smaller ships granted. You know you hear about this climate change and all they're they're not lg I, get it but guys in Jacksonville we have a bridge and just like in Tampa. They have a bridge and the fantasy class ships were able to go under the bridge. 'cause you can't get away since or lure or conning Sam here. So in way I'm really sad that those ships are going but I gotta say to just for memory back in the day when we have the Super Bowl in Jacksonville, we actually had several ships pull into downtown Jacksonville and act actives hotels for the Super, Bowl. So anyway I I noticed long way around about it. But I I love cruising being at sea in it's a it's just very special to me. Okay you did mention one thing I have to ask this question because I'm married into the cruising family I was told by. Tom Sister F-. I'm going to join this family I have to start cruising now did you tell your wife that? You know. When I got married back in eighty four. I think my wife knew I. I was in the Navy I mean, my our first station together was in key west of our daughter was born and you know I was not out of see then then we transferred to Jacksonville North Carolina where son was born and then from there I went back on on C. Duty. So I don't know I think she understood back in I was a navy man. But regarding the cruising I mean I've only been a travel agent now up ten fifteen years or so and my wife has been with me on you know most of the cruises we've been on. On especially Holland America Line, and we've been on You Know Carnival quite a bit as well but Yeah. But again, cruising has evolved so much over the last several years it's it's a unique experience even through Kovin here you know yeah you also brought up something about the ships going away and they're they are Alexa misconception right now with a lot of people because they always say carnival ships are disappearing getting mad at Carnival they're not understanding that it's Carnival Corporation and you have Holland you have insult princess you have an article you have. Cunard. You have all of these cruise lines that are losing one or two ships it's not just carnival is losing. Ten plus ships. No, and that's what they're trying to I. Mean you listen to the news and that's what they say carnival is losing ten plus ships. It's not Carnival Carnival Corporation is. What you're precisely right about that because I've talked to carnival corporate to, and they said Scott when you're on podcasts or when you're on like I'm big on TV news here in Jacksonville to please reemphasize that even though the media saying carnival is losing eighteen ships, it's not carnival's not I mean carnival only has what twenty, four, twenty, five ships. I mean we right hand America you'd. Think Prince us. There's a lot of ships in under that umbrella you know what I'm saying so That that's quite imply we we've been able at least on this popular podcast to. You know dissuade that misinformation and with the ships leaving bringing ships in for instance, in La we they brought in the the panorama from car. They they got rid of the imagination inspiration. Yes. They're true to my heart but even on a podcast, we always kept on saying these ships have been here forever and you WanNa bring in different cruisers have differ cruising experience you have to bring in different ships, different classes of ships and the ships went away but now the radiance is coming in to take its place. So ships are coming ships are going and if. You're a cruiser you understand that, but it's that misconception i. wish like you said that the news agencies would let people know it's not one cruise line. It's all of them, and for instance, these ships at are being soul they're going to little corporations I believe maybe twenty five percent of them are being scrapped, but the rest of them are going to, there's like a I think it spread something Corporation Corporation I. Wish. Gone Right. Yeah and is, and he's this guy has bought for the ships and he's going to repurpose them. So they're going to different cruise lines and people have to understand that I mean they're they're showing pictures of there's a Japanese company that bought a ship at now it's going to be a floating school. So it's there's things that are happening at wish again like you said. We to get this news out there. So the news agencies will cover that and not just the gram of Oh my gosh ten ships are disappearing. You make a very good point because as you guys well know, only ten percent of Americans have ever cruised. So most people like yourself myself Doug Parker Screws Radio all the other folks in the proves media we all know this stuff for the average everyday person that you meet on the street. You. Know it is our job in the cruise media to educate folks listen eighteen ships are not going away. It's over a bunch of different lines and I firmly say just like say on TV all the time is that cruising is gonna come back stronger better than ever am really excited about it. Yeah. I. Think a lot of the things that we see on TV the reason why it's on TV and the news media is always negative. They're never trying to spend this never tried to give you a positive story and so it's like eighteen ships. God forever. Made a very good point and the Carnival you remember what the Carnival Triumph when the carnival triumph pulled in they had the cameras there. Yes. The people that came a we had a Bible study or it was just like camping. It was not a big deal. Everything was fine but they immediately went to those two women in the carnival while. Yes again the ground saying, oh my gosh it was horrible death destruction. There was nothing we almost didn't live through it how I know. It's like wait a minute what what journalist journalistic malpractice that was, and so anyway, just a little back slowly. Yeah. That's why I'm glad they're asking you to go onto these talk to the news agencies and you're telling people this is what it is. You relate you guys got to get over it. It's coming back and going to be stronger these news like will they don't have the understanding and depth to To to the industry and not only that when they do invite people like you guys start Sheron onto the show, the only give them two or three minutes, and then the interrupt him Oh you know who is that crews were does the guy who Stewart talked about that? He's never been on a cruise ship for tag. And he's critiquing ships. It's like are you kidding me? You're kidding off of a ship you are kicked off of one, and now you're critiquing chips really you make you make a very good point on that because the people they do talk to are the people who disgruntled and I am not trying to spin it even though my day job I'm a lobbyist I'm in politics I do a lot of different things and I know all about spin. But if you look at my go to the cruise genius Dot Com and you see. All my interviews on Channel Four I. AM honest I am telling you what I really think and I'm not spending it. But again, the media you know how the media is, they always want death destruction. You know all these horrible things and if you watch NBC nightly news with Lester Holt now, their last two minutes are doing a happy story. You know about you know some kid with a violin Hussein to old person. So they are starting to get that they get their ratings. It's just like whether or not the weather channel you know. And and then like you know I, mean here in Jackson Florida, we've been pretty good this year Not having any hurricanes or anything but when the hurricane turns the other way, these guys know weather dot com looks. Like there wasn't death and destruction but boy, the category five, one, hundred, twenty, mile an hour wind they're almost like they WANNA be out there right that stop sign blowing. You know what I'm saying, right? Right? Well, know it's it's the same old quote. If it. If it bleeds, it leads and that's what they want. They went you know death and destruction. So. So, what are some of the things that you love about cruising? Oh. Gosh how long do we have I mean the one thing about cruise ever. Well call well the thing and again I'll have to go into all inclusive resorts as saying to this. But but I will say with cruising and this is why was been passionate about it listen guys I live fifteen minutes away from the Carnival Ecstasy, right? So it makes it very easy for me. To get a ride to the cruise port and get on and boom boom and it's so funny come back under the bridge people say, Oh, where are you from Texas? I'm from Illinois from California I say she bridge right there you go bridge hanging right hang a left that's where I live people kind of look at me but the the what I love about cruising so much you. UNPACK once you get on the ship you unpack and you're good to go. Okay. The food the food is second to none even on Carnival you know now definitely on home American. Line. Totally. Five Star Pinnacle, Grill, all that stuff. So the food the entertainment I think is good but if you were to ask me the number, one thing I, love about cruising, it's the crew. The people I can I can give you a list of people's names who I've gotten over the years from the carnival fascination from the fantasy from the carnival sunshine who I mean are just such nice people and the Filipino people in an Indonesian people. Such kind loving people who want to serve. They remember your names. You know remember the like the little kids names the second day ship they know what kind of coffee or if you want a diet coke and so. That's what it's all about, and that's what really breaks my heart the most about this pause cruising when you're seeing all these ships, you know getting their their folks back to their native country. And these people were counting on the stuff guys, I, mean they work you hours you and I would not work I mean eighteen hours a day working to take care of us taking care of thirty, thirty, five cabins cleaning him right? I mean there's no way Scott Lyric could do that and they're they're cooking with grease like cleaning these cabins and they all got a smile on their face, my wife and I can tell you we've. Never seen anybody screw that have been. You know mean or upset or even if they got a bad day, right there was one time we were on a Holland America ship and the waiter came out and he had a tear in his eye. Are you? Okay he goes yes. I just found out my wife had our baby back in Bali or something and it's like, oh my gosh, you know. So the crew and of course you know. Everybody at Carnival who I know are just great people and So that's what that's what I love about cruising. Now did you know you mentioned something when you mentioned the crew? You're absolutely right. These people who do give up their time and a tremendous sacrifice. League in their families for three to six months at a time and working seven days a week. A lot of people don't realize when you go and sign a contract for a cruise ship that they work seven days a week and they do put in a lot of hours that you normally don't. You don't do you don't do on the. On shore, and so it's a lot different on on a cruise ship and you're right there's a their their culture is Culture Neil, Philippine and Indonesian people do have a culture of understanding of service and I. Think a lot of people you really need step up. Again a express your appreciation give them give them tips you know and and listen to them and look them in the eye and hear their stories. You know because there are people too that have families and it's important. I think it's very important especially now and when we start seeing cruising coming back. We're going to have I. THINK WE'RE GONNA have to make an extra effort to really understand you know these people you know really went through something very bad as well as just as us and you you guys both brought up something that's really Dear to my heart this is a service industry and when you're talking to both of you were talking about service a service industry, you get, you do get paid, but you also rely on tips. And I cannot tell you how many people I talked to and they're like, well, I'm not gonna tip because my my cabin cost me APP sometimes tell me four hundred dollars. Okay. You're here for five days. Let's break that down four hundred dollars, five days all the meals and when I tell them this some of them are still like well, I'm not going to tip well, then I'm looking at him like then I hope they dropped your drink. Because this is what? They're getting page. Yes. But they're doing it out the goodness of their heart and they're helping you and when you go to a restaurant or you go to anywhere, you're being served it's just It's just I just call it human nature. You WanNa give something back to them because they're helping you out there going. Right. Let me comment on that real quick because the one thing that frustrates me the most and I talked about this on the cruise. Dot Com and my top ten list is that it really does bother me guys on that last night before you pull into port, you see that line a mile long at guest services and I've kind of walked by and you can Kinda over here you know oh You know we want to take our tips because of X. or because of why and you know as well as I do that the folks most folks that do that if not because they had bad service, you know maybe they lost money in the casino maybe they spent more money on shore excursions or spent more money on pictures say oh my gosh, and then they get that. Bill and say, Oh wait a minute I mean whatever thirteen fourteen, fifteen bucks a day per person if you've got mom and dad and you got two kids, I mean a fifteen, thirty, sixty bucks a day times five, three, hundred bucks somebody could be saying Oh, my Gosh I three hundred bucks on I mean not on a new iphone but maybe on you know whatever something Maybe. The IPAD and so the point is, is that I really think a lot of the people I've talked about this on my TV appearances to if you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't go and here are these people upfront are giving you good service they're being nice you Mr Scott Hello Mr Joe Whatever and at the end you know they figure out you know whatever in. It's just not right and if it quite frankly it's immoral. I really don't think they should do that and and if you look you look at those back in the day in the morning and the evening. Hey, we got fun getty, Lee Gifford and the look on. Youtube those prices they are not much more back then than they are today for what we're what we're paying, right? and. So people do need to kind of get off this mentality and let me say this as well. I remember with Holland America Line back in the day when I sale, they would give us these white envelopes right and you go around me and there's And then, but I'll tell you I was one of the first people on his media on the host to damn when they rolled out the the larger ships and sign crews and all a meadows and all these bigwigs came up to me and they do it was and they said, Hey, what do you think about the larger ships? I said I'm fine with larger. I. Said why I'm concerned about is you guys have changing from you know on America Online it was like you know tips are basically included wink wink will then he went to the gratuities automatic gratuities like carnival right and I I really am opposed to that I said because once the public find out. that. You know every day they're going to get hit. They're going to get hit and you know how some people aren't. They check their balances every day just to make sure they're not getting taken advantage of her. There's a wrong charge on there I said you're GONNA have a lot pushback on that and I told Stein cruising the other guys are like, wow. Okay and so I don't know how much it is so much in Holland America line because you do have a more affluent Clientele I refer referred to Holland America Line as the AARP cruise but the thing is they have the money and the time and they come from a generation that understands about tipping right now. Right The Brits are I believe it's the bridge and the Canadians are not because they're the Australians are not very driven toward tipping. So I think probably in Australia there's with the Carnival and all that but I'm really glad you mentioned about tipping because that is something dear to my heart and with with also with the tipping, it's like you you mentioned carnival. Thirteen or fourteen dollars a day when I still go though I give them also cash at the very end because it's tips get broken up between everybody they re they do, and that's what I. Don't know what carnivals policy is but I know restaurants and everything else sometimes outbreak up the tip they give it to the busboys they give pieces out too. So everybody gets a piece and to give them cash straight cash to me is always good always good and with today I mean I do feel what you're talking about. You see this huge line and all they're doing is complaining and you look at them and I. Okay. Who's GonNa hate me for saying this but fifty percent of you that are standing in line look like you had way too much fun and realities hitting, and that means that a lot of them spent more than they were that they needed to. But now they're taking it out on the people that really helped him. Her sides and yeah you're right or errors like Tom and you lose way too much in the Casino Tom Right lose the casino oh not the one. I do not put one hundred dollars in I took four, hundred hundred. Always happens but the tip that's that's really what it is. You're absolutely right I think it goes. It also goes basically down to. Narrows down to a human kindness. Kindness and I think that's missing in our society today in many ways and people need to be understood that you know people certain people serve you and they take time to make sure that your food is right and make sure that you have all you need in your cabin and everything like that. It's just it's out of kindness that you take care of them and you. Say you say by worst and he saved by money and you know and. My wife and I and I am bringing this up just to bring it up to Brag. But we've been going to restaurants we have. We haven't been going to allow restaurants lately but. Because you know all indoor dining gone out here and it's all outdoor dining and so when. So if we're at a restaurant, we're doing the little extra on top. I'm telling you. We're doing a little extra. We're not doing just twenty percent. We're going more than twenty percent and the reason why the pledge because the these people need to know that we care about them and their. You know they haven't been taking taking care of for last couple of months and so we need to express that. Speaking as a travel agent a lot of people will call me who've got like a one year old or a two year old. We have to either one pay for little timmy or little Britney and number two. Do we have to tip those people? It's like, yeah you the kids still going to be at the table absolutely make a mess. So you know but a lot of parents. On a budget you're on a budget, I'm on a budget. You Know Oh. What do you mean I got paid for my two year old well granted maybe on a airplane and put a two year old in your lap and you're good to go. But if you go I, don't know how it is Disneyworld at Seaworld I. Know a little bit about seaworld if the child is like four and below. Okay it's. I think people don't realize that with cruising and of course, cruising they're in it for business. They're they're doing it for their stockholders and Yeah. But again I think it's critical. You Love Saline on Holland American Line cruise ships. What brings you back to them time after time. Oh my goodness, it's a five star. It's five star service five star food. Now I will. As, I said there's the older generation on there and it does get a little disheartening sometime when you hear elmer or ethyl or Myrdal say the coffee was a hotter back on titanic or the food was better your back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty nine and I have talked to a couple of the folks you know that I pulled him over to the side that hey, listen you know i. get it. You know that it's different I mean because carnival bought them several years back but. Again, you look at Holland American line crews, I. Mean Before Ninety Nine for a seven-day cruise you're going to half. Moon Cay you're going to San. Juan. Going to these places for four ninety nine. You cannot beat that. So the one thing is you don't always get what you pay for but don't expect something you didn't pay for and the thing is if you want titanic if you want you know Leo. Dicaprio and you want that kind of then go on Cunard or go on. Go on and regions, and then you're GonNa get what you pay for and you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA get service but you're not GonNa get that on Holland America line anymore years when carnival took over so but but I love Holland America line I know a lot of the people they know me and it is just it's a five star experience and my wife and I we've been on a fourteen day southern on Holland on the march. Rubel Bonier occur Sal Martinique, Saint, Saint Kitts, and you know having that longer cruise. It's so funny. I remember. Like on day seven, I don't know if it was me that Cetera my wife had said it. But if you've ever been on America Online they have on the floors in the elevators the day of the week. So it said like Friday and I was either either I said or my wife did I forget who said man? If we're on a Sunday cruise we'd be driving home today we still got seven more days to go. Now I know a lot of people in Holland America Line two three months cruises, six month cruises, world cruises, and a lot of people from Canada will come down like during the summer months. And going home America line but I just I mean, if you your your youtube channel Scotland L. A. R. a. a lot of my videos on Holland America line and just very passionate about them of I. I'll tell you a little thing about years ago I tweeted Micky Arison and I said Mr. Arison I love Holland America line so much. I WANNA be a cruise director and like the next day I got a call from how Maryland they flew me out there to interview to be a cruise director and I didn't get the GIG in a way. I'm Kinda. Glad. I didn't get it but I'm just very passionate about how America I really am. So what are some of the differences between Holland. American line and the other cruise lines in their ships. Well Holland. America line. Like the Mazda they have smaller ships more intimate. They have artwork on board. That's amazing. They have like this windows class and my wife has taken these classes a couple of times where they teach you like excel or word or like how to do things with your camera and wife really enjoyed those. Of course you know they have the Park West, Park West Gallery things but it's just refined i. mean it's almost the way I could say guys is that you can drive a Toyota or you can drive like, Alexis you know what I'm saying and it's kind of that. Upset. It's kind of like even like the World Caribbean and then you've got princess. and Princess is kind of like the same demographic, the older more refined people more time, and of course, the crew is geared that way to take care of those folks. But you know I've been on celebrity I on celebrity solstice with Doug, Parker crews radio, and we had a great time. This is years ago when solstice first came out and again you know that's you know the forties fifties, kind of people that age and it was different and of course now you've got virgin boy coming out and I'll tell you I tell you what three four shifts I hope they can fill them but my gut tells me it's going to be unique because. Guys let me ask you of course, how many thirty forty, fifty year old people can afford. You know to get away and pay the little extra money it's going to be on virgin and granted. It's adults only but I just don't know how many of those people are going to that are out there. You know I know a lot of families I know a lot of other people but the virgin voyages crowd it's GonNa be interesting to see how that works and I wish wish. Sir Richard Branson all the best I really do a huge fan of his from from what he's done all these years but. It's GonNa be fun watching that. Well. Yeah. Because I mean with Tom and I went out there and we to New York and they're announcing the the cruise ship. We saw some of the venues at there were planning on doing and their completely different than what his on ships today. So you're absolutely right will cruisers accept that or does he have to really I mean he's really focusing on his niche of getting. New Too I mean it's going to have to be these new cruisers. These people that enjoy no kids they're younger and they just want to go and have fun. How many is he going to be able to pull and you're absolutely right with all new ships, new companies coming out and how many people are going to be able to afford it and are they going to cruise? Let me tell you what am I. going. Oh so yeah, the way I see is the demographic is. Nonexistent. Another cruise line And that that would be like the. You know the the twenty. In thirties and the people who liked party who liked to go and try different different types of foods and try to you know and like different types of entertainment and You know the EDM type of electric dance music. Folk music just unusual music circuses that sort of thing just oh, the instagram -able type of person. You know person that uses instagram all the time I kind of feel like that's there and they're looking for some edge to. It's kind of like a friend of mine who does the Oh the groove bruce? And it's you know this is going to be the groove crews twenty, four, seven you know you know on every cruise and and they're they're not gonNa have a traditional theater. There's theaters Affleck's theater and it's going to be able to do different types of things. You know the words right out of my mouth I met Jason became a roof cruise a couple years ago and I'm a huge fan of Jason in what travel what he has done. And I when I went on the groove crews I, mean that changed my life because those ask the demographics they're looking for and absolutely. So. Anyway. Chris what only once a year right and that that's twice a year now Jason Jason Cancel the one out here. It's really yeah. Yeah. Jason's a great guy. He's a Guy Yeah I know his family and everything like that. We actually met about two years ago. It's really crazy how we met. My wife takes care of his. Is niece. OUTTA here. Well, I. Is Parents are the group. Or the same age we're very close friends and. I stopped yeah. A and Jason, became a look him up wet travel group. We have. That's what they're looking for that. That's demographic. Yeah exactly. Yeah I. Think IT'S A it's a it's a I think. They can carve it out. They can find that that type of. That at Group of people but you know they have to have the money and they're it's pretty expensive. Well, you just brought it up Tom they have to have the money and the ones going on these cruises a lot of these younger kids that you see in their partying and all of that when you talk with them, they're they're with family it's a family reunion or something like that. So are the mom and dad's going to send their kid. Go here go go on this cruise I mean for me now. They're coming with me I'm not. Send your daughter on version voyage. No I'll have to go there I but no. But it's it's Kinda like at a tattoo. Yeah she probably would. But. But those are the things that you know. You got to really look at two as a marketing stance of are they finding out that a lot of these kids that were going on these cruises that are like Oh my God this is what I want. This is what I want. This is what I want but their parents are paying for them to go on cruises they're younger younger set crowd. Your. Precisely. Why? Because that's what Holland America line and NC L. was trying to do. They're trying to get grandma and GRANDPA who will pay for your kids right and she got grandma in growth in the haven up on. NC L. and I've been up at the haven I went on the Blake Shelton crews and that was amazing. But you got that and then you've got the other people you got maybe somebody who was a solo and then you get somebody maybe two or three. So that's right. That's process. Would Honda America's been trying to do is get these multi generational because they know that the seniors are a frankly leaving. Right right. So let's talk about food. It's all about the food isn't it? You know your process, you I I think that's one of the biggest things about cruises I've always love is the food and you hear so many people say, oh, diet the week before in our diet on the cruise right on the cruise. So no Scotland is not going to die it on the cruise and my daughter, and my wife will tell you that I eat between two. Twelve ice cream cones a day when I go on Holland America line the first place I go up on the day because the person scooping and they'll most of the people know me, Hey, Mr Scott welcome back it's like let's dispense with the Hello Mr Scott start scooping and so it's I. I love the Food and Oh, actually I you guys know who chef rudy is on America. No I'm not familiar what what would you get a chance? Google chef rogin he okay. Head chef. Line. And I've known him for years. Well, my wife is amazing. She made amazing salad the other day and so I reached out to chef rudy I said, can you do a a little video saying, Hey, Marty good job on the salad you made for Scott and he did it and so the point I'm trying to say is on hall America back in the Day to have the desert extravaganza and this thing was off the chain right they had found the Lido deck table after table after table chocolate, it's a days for these guys to make. The chocolate and they don't do it anymore because the cost but between the desserts between the French soup, the bread pudding and of course, you've got the specialty restaurants right see NC L. is kind of known as well. You know in the Lido deck and the restaurants kind of air and NC L. The rumor is they're the best food is up there. You know their specialty restaurants where your extra I don't know if that's true or not i. do kind of believe NC L. is known for Nicolini Nickel and diming that said regarding the food though. Even the food on carnival. Day these have lobster on four and five day cruises, and now I think they've done away with that again because of cost I remember what Holland when Carnival was go to charging extra for room service and I your arm on that and I got in trouble guys I got in trouble with carnival on that because I said it on TV where I'll post a link to that interview on the cruise genius Dot Com where I said John Healed announced that like at a Thanksgiving Day parade where they had. A carnival float and he said Hey we're GONNA be charging for for room service and I led the charge on that thing. You know people there used to get an ad thing for free and now you're gonNA charge I get it but it's just like we were saying before it's GonNa be different when this comes back from covid I, mean everyone's going to have to really kinda redouble their efforts to to book again to tip do shore excursions to get these people financially set again so we can continue to cruise. Well and you brought something up I remember maybe it was you I heard. But when they were talking about that and when I go back on carnival the Princess Ernie them now they have their free food that's delivered or food that's for price. So maybe that's how they they blended in is yes. There are still free food but if you want this, then you have to pay the price for for a long we were. When I was on the Sky Princess and Regal Princess back in February. They had certain entrees such as you know, flaming you own roasted chicken salmon that sort of thing that was extra. But if you wanted to get a grilled cheese sandwich or sandwich or something or Roseby Sandwich that was complimentary and. So. Yeah. The kind bounced that out a little bit better. You know, of course, you know alcohol's always extra. Point But it's an interesting point. You guys make I remember I found being one time I. don't know if it was the monarch while the other ships and is in the main dining room for probably breakfast and so they said orange juice or orange juice please well, the fresh squeezed orange juice to ninety five but the regular canned orange juice free. Regular. Keen on shoes. So I mean again, that's the dining that we've seen so much in the last several years. Well, yeah, and like Tom when he goes onto casino, they're like so Mr Alison, would you like a beer? Would you like a drink and yes, he's getting it for free because he wins all the time but there's people like me when they say, Oh, you get free drinks. When you go to the Casino, you're paying for him 'cause you're paying for Tom but still. Way. Exactly. Right. You have to have people who put money in and have people that take money out wait. Wait you mean that is your office. That is my yeah. We pay you. We we send where the employees enter the boss and you get our money back. So. Is there some kind of meal favorite meal that you like to have on the Holland American line or? Favorite, especially, restaurant I want to know about their steak restaurant. Tell me more. All. It's called the pinnacle. Grill. Okay. I noticed back when Orlando Ashford with the CEO he had a special presidents cut and I forget how much that was Doug Parker crews radio also love that that stake but it's like, I. Don't Know How many ounces seventy, two ounce or something. Fake was off your age and. I You know you pinnacle grill is just my favorite restaurant on Holland America line and it's very elegant and then There was one time where they had like a special of night and I forget the name of it off the top of my head chef rudy you know was doing like something was there. and. So Yeah, the Pinnacle Gronholm. America. Line. Is and always will be my favorite specialty restaurant and Yeah. Yeah. So what if what has been one of the most memorable experiences on Holland? The had. All my Gosh I. There are so many times I mean. Actually her up you're going to include your wife on this one. Absolutely absolutely I mean I. It's funny. It's funny being recognized because I've got seven hundred thousand views on my youtube channel and you know twitter and all this kind of stuff. But the thing is, is that on America we were Half Moon cake and so somebody came up to me your Scott High Not GonNa picture with you. Yes and so this. Is My wife Marty, and because I've done a couple of videos with Marty where she's talked about like the laundry room on the Carnival Sunshine Laundry Room on the Mazda or she'll talk about like make tips. If you look at my youtube channel, you'll see there's one where Marty was talking about make ladies you know and also laundry tips so I guess that's The member I it's funny. It's funny when people recognize me just kind of a cool thing I feel like I don't know if you guys who Gary Vein or chuck is, but he's another. Gary. V, and he follows me on twitter. Thank you. But the point is, is that you know when people get on my gosh and so that's kind of thrill. But if you're talking about like on the cruises I, mean Martin I actually were invited to go to like It wasn't a captain stable it was like the hotel manager stable and so that was very special for us to be invited and. And just meeting New People and Oh let me tell you. A buddy of mine his name's Larry. Russo. He and his Wi- he and I were navy together back in seventy, nine till eighty one or eighty two. He was a radio man on a ship and I was overweight Armand and so a couple years ago he goes Scott I see you on on social media all the time, my wife, and I want to go to. So it was kind of a cool thing that this is very close friend of mine from the Navy. Or Eighteen nineteen years old I to be on a cruise ship. You know where the food was better than the entertainment was better at rooms were better roster to go from being in the navy doing this sharing this with their wives was that's it. That's my favorite experience I. Think what's The latest news on Holland? America line. So what's going on. With the Christmas is at the CDC wanted to Pause us all the way into. February of next year vice president pence road to CDC and said, no, we're going to pause it to like the end of I believe October and From there so so we'll see what's going to happen I. Get asked this all the time on TV and people who Know Me Scott, do you think we're GonNa Cruise again in Twenty twenty my gut tells me no I think it's going to be twenty twenty one before we cruise again and we do need to get it right? We need to do it right with the temperature check with the Cova tasks. So when we do return to cruising, it is safe and we don't have a blowback because the last thing we need is started doing this again if somebody gets sick or somebody dies, and then then we're in trouble so. We need to do it right and the and let's go forward from there. Yeah, and you just brought something up everybody's talking about Oh. We're going to go back November I I live in La County and one of the ships they say is going is leaving I'm not going to say the ship name, but they say it's cruising November I and all these ships in Miami all over say they're cruising November I will I know for a fact that like Princess Princess said were putting on a voluntary halt until the end of December so fifteen December fifteenth. So it's GonNa be very interesting to see if this actually falls through. Your. Why? Because if you look on a certain online sites that will remain nameless they will they show that a carnival ecstasy will be sailing line November third in November thirteenth and they're sold out well, I don't know and Aiba cruises all the time and people ask me if like please book and book at it, and if they're going to refund it or they're going to change it, that's fine. But we in the cruise media The cruise industry and cruises, we do need to show support for the cruise lines and continue to book but yeah, I, think i. Done by twenty twenty. And I totally agree I mean Tom doesn't know but I have five cruises booked from August two, thousand, twenty, one all the way until April of two, thousand and twenty two. So I mean I have Oh, I have oh yeah. Yeah. I'll have so many books because this is the time to do it. There are so many deals out there and when you talk with these agencies they. The deals you could always put them back into the Bank and get refunded if you can't go. So I mean there deals are out there. It's just an open I have to bring this up. We're talking about cruising nothing's going on. This is completely different from Holland America we have a cruise ship in southern California and it's the largest private own yacht and it's through hornblowers entertainment cruising. I want to say that entertainment because it's a company, but you could actually go on this cruise ship that used to be an old casino cruise ship back East and cruise around. The harbor of San Diego for two three hours. Have Brunch have dinner. It's really enjoyable. I, know there's lots of who's company now cruise companies entertainment companies around the country there are skirting this by. Saying it's entertainment and not cruising and they're able to get away with. Not a COMP-. Not I don't WanNa say not complying with but not doing the Kobe stuff, and then we're going to have to the cruise industry. Oh, yeah I mean, even with a Holland America Art Not Holland hornblower cruises because it's more of dining in like that dining and entertainment they have to go through to CDC and go through all regulations. All they have to have is outside dining and that's how they're going around it. It's a dining cruise the. Temperature, track Oh yeah. You had to do your temperature check you had to do you had to wear your mask you had to do everything like you're on are like you're going to a restaurant, but you're on a giant ship and you're cruising through the harbor while you're eating. So, what do you miss about cruising and what have you been doing during this time of us from? Well. What I miss about what I miss the most I guess just being out there and and just having fun and enjoying being out see what I've been doing since then is that Last year, I went to the palladium master experience Grand Palladium Costa has a trs coral, which is about forty minutes north of Cancun and I was invited out there in my capacity as media and travel agent to kind of see what's going on with these inclusive resorts now. My friends had told me about all inclusive and I spit on him. I said I don't WanNa go to all inclusive you are in the same spot you're. A cruise where wake up every morning and a different port don't care about all inclusive and they said Scott once you go. You'll change your mind and I said, no, I want. So I went to the play mass experience with a whole bunch of people and it changed my life I also went to Grand Played Riviera Maya which is about an hour and a half south of Cancun and river is a totally different vibe. Harris Costa Harris is more millennial more modern in the beach is more sand than Shade Riviera. Maya. Is The jungle I mean, it is amazing. Just a lot of shade I'm Blonde Fair Skin, so like my wife likes to stay in the. Shade. Unlimited food unlimited drink wi fi is free. Usually so you're not being nickel nickel dime to death. Like could be on a cruise. It's changed my life and so I've been to the. In. Cancun like three times over the last year. And it's just amazing. Okay. Which one was that with the jungle I'm going to have to try. Okay. All right. Take a look at Grand Grand Palladium Riviera Maya now that Okay. Emily that is family area and then right next to it is T. R. S. Yucatan and trs the adults only all inclusive and it's very upscale and then Costa Harris Grand playdium customer Harris, and then trs coral, which is right next to it, which is the adults only, but it'll change I tell you once you go guys and see right now there are open and they do weddings. Conventions, it's just I mean I'm going to get tongue tied talking about it's just amazing. And they got lots of different restaurants and they're all free. You gotTa Talion you got. French. She got American you. Yeah. It's just amazing. The spas in these two places. There, nothing that you've ever seen before now I? Mean just go to the cruise genius dot com you'll see my stuff on it and it's just Like I said, I'm getting tongue side it's just a great experience and the only thing is. Just. Getting there that's the thing is airfare but other than that it's OK. Now the sponsor free to. Well the spot. Yeah. So If. You're a trs, it your debt free. But if you're grand palladium is GONNA cost extra to go and of course, everything on top of it massages, hair and nails, and all that stuff is extra but. y'All. That on on my website. Awesome that's interesting. Well, have to take a look at that. So Scott tells about website the cruise genius and how people can find you on the Internet. Just. Go to the cruise genius dot. com you can type in. LA ARE A in Google. You'll see all my stuff. Awesome, awesome. Well, Scott it's been wonderful to have you on the cruise podcast and I just want to also thank you for your service in the navy. We really do appreciate it that we hope to have you back on the podcast and we'll have you back on what's been a thrill talking to you guys have been saying you guys for a long time you do A. Great job out there in the crews space, keep it up and look forward to talking to you again in the near future for everyone in the audience please continue to crews continue to book continue to post on social media letting people know how much you love cruising and let's let's support this industry right now. 'cause they certainly need it. The crew the cruise lines. It's just it's incumbent upon US guys for us to support this industry. Great. Great. Thank you so much for coming on skype. Thank you. Thank you. Got That was an incredible interview with myself. No Scott Ler. Yes Scott now he's got no. I job cruise genius. Out The cruise genius I have my opinions you you're the cruise opinionated crews opinion. Yeah. Okay. Well, no I really. Enjoyed it. Learn everything. We we learned a little bit of a Holland America. We learned about yes Scott's. Introduction to cruising and is and how he started and it's really good to hear somebody's life story and. And it was really interesting I thought I thought it was very interesting and even wanted to be a cruise director. Yes. Yes. He he you know that's pretty cool eight he had the he had the the wherewithal the. Interview lined up. Yeah I. Know those crazy. You know he called out you know Hey Mickey Arison give me a call. I want to become an additional five minutes late you know. We'll get you out here right now. It's pretty bulls. Yes me. So the cool. So I mean he's got. A full of energy and he had some really great stories and I just a really appreciate his opinion in his inside about cruising and. You want to check our show notes for how you can reach him and listen to show watches, videos and learn about what he's doing and also about his HIS INFORMATION ABOUT What is it that? I want to talk about his His is vacation. Remember to the OH. Yes. The Mexico I gotta do that. I'm. GonNa. K. SHOULD IN MEXICO? Peru just. Interesting information. About that down there what goes on on those little, there's all inclusive resorts. That's what's called the all inclusive resorts. Oh, instill. That was good information. Instead of an all inclusive ship, it's the all inclusive resort. On, land on land there you go with lakes. I had the. saryu paused K.. alrighty. is at that time it's that time to smell the sea. Feel the breeze here the ocean and bts. ooh Yes and look at that you could rhyme. A little rapper. Cruz? Wherever rapid rapper. Oh Man. Let me tell you I. I. DO WANNA. Get back to the Ocean I. go down to the beach all the time and I see the waves and they're crashing. It makes me want to jump back into a cruise ship. Get on that balcony put my feet up get my Margarita out and just wish the memories back. I Say I I have my memories but I need to make new ones I need to go on a cruise I agree with you but it has to be the right time. And I hope time is sooner rather than later. Well, it will be. Of cruise ships are coming out with some great idea I'm really excited about the cruise industry is still grow as still. Coming out with new ships the. The enchanted. Princess. was. Christened this week and also the apex. APEX. was announced in came out and Pros Christen, believe yeah, and so. All it were Searle's. Moving forward, and that's good news for all of us. Yes, it is. I'm Scott I'm Tommy until next time everyone keep on Cruzi. Have a good one.

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"I I'M NBC producer. Katie Kramer one of the voices behind the CNBC podcast squawk pot. In these times of uncertainty. We WanNa make sure we're bringing you our listeners. As much information as possible as quickly as we can. That's why we're sharing with you now. See Special report markets in turmoil. Listen and good evening. I'm Scott Wapner on day. One hundred seven of the corona virus crisis breaking news tonight. President trump cuts funding to the World Health Organization and the viruses now killed ten thousand. New Yorkers stocks on fire. Today the bones keep picking up lost ground. The future is about is clear as mud but there are questions about how sustainable this rally is. And that's just a process that will perhaps be the most challenging nude details on how several states plan to reopen. We want to return to normal life. Our country is going to be open. And what the Federal Government is planning this? Cnbc special report markets in turmoil begins right now. Here's Scott Wapner. It is good to have you with us on a very busy Tuesday night. The president still speaking at the White House as we speak cutting funding tonight for the World Health Organization that announcement just coming moments ago. We're also learning more now about the president's plan to reopen the economy for that we go to Kayla Tashi in Washington who joins us with more Kayla. What can you tell US Scott? The president spent a lengthy part of his remarks this evening. Talking about the CEO's who will be advising the White House in its effort to figure out exactly how and when to reopen the economy president trump a rattling off a list including the top names from Silicon Valley to Wall Street to hedge funds to fast casual restaurants even Labor groups lawmakers. The list goes on and on the full slate of members hasn't been released because it's still taking shape at this hour. I'm told the president trump said that he spoke with all fifty governors today and that the government is very close to finalizing a plan to reopen the economy and that he believes nearly half of states. Already listen actually. There are over twenty that are in extremely good shape and we think we're going to be able to get them open fairly quickly and then others will follow. The federal government will be watching them very closely and will be there to help. A White House official tells me that the Corporate Advisory Group will be there to figure out a plan to prime the economy for reopening when the medical task force including the officials from the health and Human Services Department as well as the CDC give the green light for that to happen to that end a separate task force focused on the health. Part of the crisis has been working on. Its own models about figuring out exactly when a reopening could take place. Dr Anthony Foul she the top infectious disease expert in this country did an interview with the Associated Press today and said in that interview we have yet to have something in place that is efficient and that we can rely on. And we're not there yet in terms of having a testing mechanism Scott to actually reopen the economy and then there is the funding to the World Health Organization. President trump this evening saying that funding would be halted as the. Us pursues a review of how that multilateral organization handled the Corona Virus Pandemic Scott GonNa be controversial on many fronts. Not only the funding Kayla to the. Who but now the FAO CI comments of. We're not there yet. Up against the president tonight saying that they want to open a fairly quickly and saying that he is going to any use. The word authorize governors to open their states. That in and of itself is going to run up against some roadblocks potentially in states like New York and California and many of those governors Scott have timelines. That are much different from what the president himself has laid out. He and the Treasury Secretary have suggested a re-entry into the economy by May even Dr Faucher himself had suggested a rolling reentry was possible in May. But when you think of states like California who have stay at home orders in place indefinitely or even states like Virginia where that goes through June tenth states like Utah Were. Schools are not going to be back in session this year. It's hard to imagine exactly how that roll out would take place and exactly where we could see this scattershot return underway Massachusetts May. Fourth Connecticut May Twentieth. I saw your tweet. Earlier listing some of those stay at home waters. That may not match up with what the president is thinking about Kayla. Thanks very much Kayla Tasha in Washington with the latest there as we said governor on both coasts working on their plans to reopen states contessa brewer. Joining us now with the plan for California's Gavin NEWSOM CONTESSA governor. Newsom Scott says that. There's a specific checklist of essentials before California can modify it. Stay at home orders. The first is the ability to test to contact trace to isolate and support those who have covert or those who have been exposed secondly they want to prevent infection for those most at risk for more severe corona virus hospitals have to be able to handle any new surges and they need to develop therapeutics to meet demand. Schools Childcare and businesses have to be able to support physical distance between people and the state must be able to determine when and if it needs to reissue. Stay at home orders. The governor's warning. This new normal will look very different. You may be having dinner with a waiter wearing gloves. Maybe a face mask dinner where the menu is disposable where the tables half of the tables in that restaurant no longer appear where your temperature is checked before you walk in to the establishment. These are likely scenarios. Nationwide other governors are considering similar approaches data based approaches even as protests or breaking out as we saw today in Raleigh North Carolina from demonstrators demanding that the state reopened one person was arrested there governors have a real challenge. Scott ahead of them trying to manage these expectations about what the path forward looks like. Going to be hard to get everybody on the same page Contessa brewer. Thank you very much tonight. Dr Scott Gottlieb is the former FDA commissioner and CNBC contributor. He is with us. Live once again. Dr Gotlib. It's good to see you your reaction first and foremost to these plans from the president to open in his words fairly quickly. Well I think what the president said. It's fairly consistent with with what we've been discussing. Frankly I think that we're GONNA probably at some point in. May We're going to see sustained reductions heading into the end of April early. May in this country across most parts of the country and contemplate at some point in May gradually reopeing aspects of the economy. I think it's going to be a slow process. I think we're going to take some steps and then pause to reassess and look at whether or not there's an increased rate of infection as we start to slowly reintroduce activity so this is something that's GonNa roll out over the course of May or June with the president said it's consistent with what we talked about last night. Which is I think. The administration is likely to put out a set of principles or guidelines but leaves most of the discretion to the states to make these decisions. And I think what you're likely to see across. The country is different parts of the country doing this at different points. In time I think the parts of the country that were very hard hit like New York City are probably going to be more cautious about reintroducing a lot of social activities for fear that cause a in viral transfer. The president also said this evening that he spoke with you a short time ago. He made those remarks just a few moments ago. Can you tell us what you discussed with the president tonight? Well I prefer not to comment on my discussions. I actually wasn't aware of the president. Made those remarks because I was getting prepped. For this while the president was in that press conference but I had spoken to him earlier in the day today. Yeah are you if these states have stay at home orders that go far beyond what the president is talking about tonight. How is that going to work? For example Massachusetts May Fourth Connecticut May Twentieth Virginia June tenth in California. Dr Gotlib is still at stay at home indefinitely and other states are in pseudo locked down as well well. The states are going to reassess where they are in terms of this epidemic. What steps they can take over the course of this month heading into next month? I don't think any states likely to do anything heading into the end of April. I think once you get into. May We're going to be at a point where we're going to be sustained reduction in new cases for a period of time and what we outlined in the report that we put out. Is You want to wait. An additional two weeks after you start to see sustained reductions in new cases and then contemplates slowly reintroducing activity that puts you sort of in mid-may around the country but I think this is going to be very gradual states. Do is GonNa say this. Category of BIZ businesses can start to come back. But we prefer. Most people still continue telework where they can perhaps people who are older or more susceptible to infection. They should continue to stay home but businesses could bring back. Fifty percent of their workforce initially with certain kinds of measures in place. Fever checks testing questionnaires. For whether or not you have sinus symptoms of Corona virus. Maybe some testing. So you're GONNA see measures put in place to increase vigilance around work sites to make sure that you reduce the risk that someone could be infected and not bring everyone back at the same time is certainly not bring all businesses back and then they're gonNA WANNA pause and they're going to want to watch the data for another week or two to see if there's any uptick in infections or you get a continued decline new infections to make sure that the increased social interaction isn't causing an upswing infections. I think that's likely how this is going to play out. And what that means is this is going to be very gradual over the course of mayor. June it's not going to be like flipping a switch and we're all back. It's going to be a slow evolution. Where certain activities brought back in certain ways so? I think the states are going to do this in a responsible fashion. That's what they're contemplating right. Now what does that look like? And how do you do that in a responsible gradual fashion so that you can test along the way and make sure you're not doing any harm so though you may not want to discuss the phone call you had with the President? Can you tell us tonight are comfortable with the time line that he has set forward well at the? I think the administration is to stick with. What's in place right now? Which is continued social distancing through the end of this month? I think at the what's likely to happen. And I don't know specifically does it make sense to you. Do you agree with out are? Do you agree with it? I think giving discretion to do I think giving discretion to the governor's to start making individual decisions heading into may make sense. I think this is something that's been led. By the governor's I think it's going to contain lead by the governor's I don't think the governor's going to act irresponsibly. The governors have acted in a responsible fashion. So I think you're GONNA see a lot of caution on the part of local officials and governors. I think the hard hit states will likely to be very slow and bringing back activity. There's parts of the country that haven't been as hard hit thankfully where there is less dense population. They they naturally social distance row parts of the country that might be able to do things earlier than cities like Miami or New York or Chicago. Detroit. They've been very hard hit. But the Governor Whitman Michigan Murphy and New Jersey Cuomo Hogan Baker in Massachusetts. They've been very responsible and I would expect to see them to take a cautious approach to slowly reintroducing activity at some point in May into June. That's probably appropriate. If we continue on the trajectory around right now I think we can contemplate slowly reintroducing some activity in the second half of probably but we need to be very careful about it. We need to be very deliberate and have clear milestones along the way that we're measuring to make sure that you're continuing to see a sustained declining cases. Remember where it Al. But we're not going to get to a point where there's no cases we're going to continue to report cases all through the summer into the fall into the winter. You know until we get to vaccine. We're going to have to learn to live with this virus. And that's going to mean we're going to have to change aspects of how we live to mitigate the risk that this virus could reignite and we have large outbreaks again like what's happening in Singapore and Hong Kong where they're both having second wave but let's be clear you think. This decision to reopen should be left to each individual governor and not the president or his administration. I do and in fact. That's what I heard today. Our some of the reporting that the administration set and again. I wasn't able to monitor the whole press conference. But but they they indicated that they're gonNA leave discretion to the governor's to go with their own individual plans. I mean that's very consistent with how the administration has been approaching this where they've given deference to the governor's to make decisions if you look at the guidelines on social distancing that the White House put out there sort of broad guidelines. It was up to the governor's to implement them in a very specific fashion. And so I think you likely to see a same thing on the way. Out of this with the governor's given discretion the administration's going to be out there saying we want to try to restore activity and I think that that's appropriate as we come out of this. You know you WANNA be leaning forward as a public health costs to this shutdown. That is also very significant. But we need to do this very carefully. Because we can't afford to have a situation where you have a reignition cases and then we have to re implement these measures that would be disastrous to the economy and the country. So we need to. We need to go through this carefully successfully and come out on this and you know the saga. There's sort of a baseline level of cases on a daily basis. That's low enough that we can use traditional tools of public health to prevent another epidemic. The other headlined it. I'd like to discuss with you quickly before I let you go. Is this a defunding or at least holding back funding of the? Who does that make sense to you tonight? The WHO? I think had a lot of missteps here in terms of what they said early. On with respect to China I think there are valid concerns about the behavior. Who In this in this epidemic? But I think this is the wrong time to be pulling funding the WHO. I think there's a risk that the virus becomes epidemic in the Southern Hemisphere the. Who is going to be important to try? To mitigate that risk and if it does become epidemic in the southern hemisphere there's interests that it comes back into the northern hemisphere into the United States in the fall the winter and that's the scenario that I'm concerned about so. It's the wrong time to be doing that. But I believe I hopeful that they'll they'll you know sort of restart the funding after a period of examining what the W didn't do frankly the WHO wasn't committing to a very earnest. Look at the early days of when this virus I started propagate and what could have been done differently and what China did wrong. There was a point in time potentially when China was more honest with itself and more honest with the world we might have been able to contain this to China. They might have been able to take steps to contain this inside China but they weren't being forthcoming with the world and they would concealing information internally and I think that needs to be looked at I think we need to understand what went wrong and the. Who was reluctant to take that step? Hopefully this product them to do it and then we come back and we can unfreeze that funding Dr Gotlib. We appreciate your time tonight. The moral of this story you never know when your private conversations with the president are going to be revealed on national television. We'LL SEE AGAIN SOON. Probably tomorrow and why didn't reveal it? No you did not thank you very much. That's Dr Gotlib tonight breaking tonight as well. Treasury Secretary Mnuchin saying nearly a dozen airlines will take government aid to keep employees on the payroll are filled. Abo- has more on that breaking story tonight as well Phil Scott. They've been negotiating. How much each airline will get in the terms. Basically since all the airlines applied on Basically middle of last week and towards the end of last week. They finalize the deal. And here's basically what's what's happening. The Treasury Department will be allocating a total of about twenty five billion dollars to airlines. GonNA RUN DOWN. How much each of the airlines will be receiving about. Seventy percent of. This will be direct money. They do not have to repay the other thirty percent coming in low interest loans to the Treasury Department so you've got Delta receiving five point four billion dollars southwest three point two billion dollars. One billion of that will be in the form of a low interest loan jet blue just under a billion at nine hundred and thirty five point eight million dollars and American five point. Eight billion dollars and again. These grants are specifically designed so that the airline can keep their staff in place. Their employment generally speaking in place at least through September thirtieth so there are no widespread layoffs. What does this mean for the airlines? And how important is it tomorrow? You do not WanNa miss our exclusive interview with Doug Parker. Ceo of American Airlines. We will talk with him about how important it is for his airline to receive point eight billion dollars. We're offering to get more details from the other airlines got in terms of how much they'll be receiving as part of these payroll grants and don't forget got there is now the other twenty five billion that is out there for airline aid that comes in the form of loans still waiting to find out exactly what those terms will be to be clear. Phil though this took longer then maybe it was expected to because the airlines themselves. They wanted all cash grants they didn't want loans. And we're also learning tonight of warrants of ten percent of the loan so investors tax payers. I should say are going to have a chance. Potentially at some upside right when the terms were first presented to the airlines it as last Thursday and the airline. It's very clear they were not happy about a part of these grants being loans and also the warrant. They knew the warrants. Were going to be there. But it was really the loan component. Because they're already highly levered. Scott and they're going to take out more loans over the next several months as they try to get through a really really rough period for them in terms of really very little revenue Phil. We appreciate it. We'll look forward to your interview tomorrow with Doug Parker. That's Philibeaux on the phone for US. Tonight. Let's get our first look at futures after a pretty big day on Wall Street. Let's take a look mixed a modest moves across the board. S&p Nasdaq in the red. Dow is in the green by a few points comes after a strong rally on Wall Street today. The Dow rising more than five hundred fifty points or more than two percent the broader s and p. five hundred and Nasdaq. Were even better than that. Nasdaq was up. Almost four percent Amazon hit an all-time high as did Nasdaq did Netflix. Excuse me the Dow was helped by five percent gains and Raytheon walgreens apple but oil prices slid ten percent as investors were concerned. Upcoming production cuts would not be enough. Let's bring in now. Liz Young and why Mellon Investment Management Director of strategy and Josh Brown. He has a halftime report traitor. The CEO is well of ritholtz wealth management. Good to have you both with us Liz. This momentum just keeps going. How long can take us? I would look at this and say a market in motion will stay in motion until it gets surprised. And there's been nothing in the state of so far that has surprised us. We knew that they're earning data was going to be bad. We knew the unemployment data was going to be bad but the things that would surprise us on the downside. Are that this last further into the third quarter. I think the market has assumed that the second quarter is a throw away if this starts collapsed into the third quarter. That's the downtown surprise. Could get to the point where we re test new lows or even blow through those those lows of March Twenty Third Josh. This makes sense to you what you've witnessed for the last week or so a lot of a lot of things. Don't make sense to me judge. I'm definitely struggling and I would tell you that Anyone who says they have more answers than they do. Questions is either lying or is so stupid that they don't even know what they don't know so now you just had the best fifteen day period for the for the stock the stock market going back to nineteen thirty three twenty seven percent gain in fifteen days the last time that happened. Fdr was in the White House and Babe. Ruth was on the Yankees. We have not seen a period like this. There really is no playbook and I'm GonNa tell you something that I think a lot of people are potentially getting wrong. That could have huge consequences for how you're investing right now. Which is we're all talking about the reopening of the economy as though it's a positive catalyst judge what if it's a negative catalyst hear me out on this. Try to imagine a scenario where people are faced with the choice of staying home or going to a restaurant and having to lift a mask up to put a fork full of food in their mouth. How many people are going? Imagine the airlines that you were just talking about. What did they have to fly? Half the amount of people in each flight. They're going to have to charge twice the amount. How many people are flying unless they absolutely have to very few? So what? If the governor's begin to slowly real quote reopen the economy and they announced that state-by-state people can start to kind of go back to their activities. And it's a negative catalysts because people realize Oh my God so much has changed. I don't know when we're going to get the economy of two thousand nineteen back so I do think a vaccine whenever it happens. We'll be positive but listen. What Scott Gottlieb just told you? The worst thing that can happen is we start to roll back. Some of these stay at home orders and all of a sudden people get a little too comfortable and we have a resurgence. What would that do to the stock market? Forget about the public health situation. What would that do to investor sentiment? I think it would crush investor sentiment so I'm as worried about Everything else as I am about the idea of opening the economy and people are disappointed at how slowly things start to go back to normal. If at all Liz the last word goes to you yeah I agree with Josh. I think this has been an overreaction on both sides when this all started the market started to price an l-shaped on recovery I'll call it and now we got fiscal and monetary support there. There are really only two reasons that are market's GonNa Rally either get fiscal and monetary support or the expectations of growth in earnings markedly improved. That hasn't happened. We certainly haven't seen an improvement in growth in earnings expectations for the rest of the year. And now the market is suddenly pricing in what looks more like a v-shaped recovery. If not like flipping a switch has got Lee said earlier. Today it's GonNa take a long time and we're probably not completely out of the woods we're gonNA have adjusted behavior and adjusted investor behavior until we get a vaccine and we can feel like this is really behind having you both with us tonight. Liz Young Josh Brown. We'll see both of you again soon. There is a lot more ahead on this special report. Markets in turmoil. Is the middle seat. Gone forever our turnaround times longer. I had tonight what it will be like to fly. Once people start traveling again plus sport springs. I believe the world together. What's it like for one big time superstar athlete to be forced to stand home along with everyone else during the corona virus crisis before the break images from around this great nation on the one hundred seventh day of this global pandemic Welcome back a check on where we stand with the virus now. General Motors says the first batch of critical care ventilators. It produced are ready for delivery. The company will ship six hundred units this month and contract to build thirty thousand by the end of August. The Transportation Department says ten billion dollars in grants is now available to the nation's airports and one million loans have been approved through the Small Business Associations Payroll Protection Program totaling. Nearly two hundred fifty billion dollars well. The world of professional sports is you know has been shut down now for more than a month tonight. One Hockey Star. Pk Sue Ban of the New Jersey devils in his own words about what? It's life for someone so active to be on lockdown. Alice Number One and even though oh I missed the game and I miss my teammates. And it's my job. You know I WANNA see. People help the people back to living a normal life every morning. Lindsey and I get up early. We work out and we're just trying to be as routine as possible and that's worked well for us. The point of the shows to keep vans engaged. They know. There's no hockey on sports on. But it gives them an opportunity to interact with players and also it's fun was really excited to give it a shot and so it's really rewarding. It's always a challenge to step or something that you don't traditionally do every day and try to excel at it. Who so many people out there. That are suffering. It's very very hard to think about hockey and season right now until those people lead on their feet. Health is the most important thing but one thing for sure sports rings. I believe the world together. It's definitely been an interesting giant interesting experience but I think we're all GonNa get better from that was. Pk Savannah the New Jersey devils tonight in his own words well as America. Ready to reopen. How will airline travel be affected by the new social distancing norms joining us? Now is one of the fathers of low budget airlines former. Spirit Airlines CEO. Ben Boden's Ben Welcome. It's good to talk to you tonight. Great to be with these guys. Thank you. We'll get to the future of air travel in a minute but your reaction first and foremost to this bailout package. That was unveiled just earlier tonight. Well it's obviously great. That airline employees can breathe a sigh of relief tonight and know that they're going to continue to be able to get paid at least through September as a result of this for the airlines. That take this. It is disappointing however that something called a grant comes with thirty percent loan that has to be repaid back and ten percent equity struck at prices after the industries lost billions of dollars in value. Though others would say the airlines didn't prepare. Accordingly for a rainy day they bought back too much stock. They asked for fifty billion dollars Ben and they bought back the five or six blocks airlines bought back around that same amount over the last ten year period. Why shouldn't they be accountable for that? Well they should be accountable for that but what they also did. That's one piece of what they did. With their cats they also invested hundreds of billions of dollars in new airplanes in better product in things. That have been good for customers so the airplanes flying today burn a lot less fuel. They're much more efficient. They're easier to maintain their more comfortable and so they've spent a lot of money on a lot of things. Some of that was a share buybacks. And yes they would've had more cash. They not done that. However had they hit that more cash up to that there would have been a lot of anti investors. Saying what are you holding? All this guy's for why isn't there a dividend or something to help us. Don't you think taxpayers should have a chance to have some of the upside here? I think they should. I think they absolutely should and one of the ways they there's a couple of ways they do that first of all in the second piece of this with loans. I think the idea of of interest of course but also warranted things. Make perfect sense in the grabs. It's all about airline employment. And so what consumers what taxpayers get out of that is that the airline industry is ready to go when consumers already to go again. Would you don't want to have happen? Is when we feel comfortable being social again that it's going to take months and months for the airlines to get ready because everyone's been laid off and they have to bring people back in train them so the airlines and the transportation network are fundamental to bringing the economy back. And that's the payback here. You know also the while the companies will be getting this money to pay their employees. They'll still be paying the payroll tax to the government as well to that time and the government is saving because all these people are not filing unemployment insurance. What is the new normal going to look like when we get back in the air and travel again? Well I think the new normal will be a couple of things. I think it'll be a a new view of biological safety to go with. Operational Safety Airlines have been good about operational safety and putting metrics to that measuring added becoming safe but now adding things like our surfaces clean are the plane's not just clean but are they disinfected to our employees understand how to deal with issues that come up from nervous customers or from issues also. I think the industry has to better job explaining to people how the air circulates in the airplane and re circulates and is filtered so well much better than in a restaurant or in an office building. So that when you're comfortable going to a restaurant should be comfortable getting on a plane again. Now whether or not people are the sit further apart that becomes a bigger issue like your last guest said because are we going to accept. That fares are going to go up if you can't put as many people on the airplane. That's a tougher call. We're not going to be able to put the same number of people on on an airplane again. How at least for a while? How how could we? How could we sit three across from from each other? Well sitting three across the risk in the way the plain air circulates isn't so much the person next to you does. It's what are you touching on the tray table. What are you touched on the seats? When you go to the restroom what are you touching on the handle? That's where the biggest risk of transference is in the airplane. Not someone next to you or in a row of behind you in front of you. Coughing or sneezing and I'm not saying that doesn't create risk but it doesn't great as much risk as the others and again with the circulation in the airplane. I think that it's not that bad on the airplane. Now if you want to say no one gets it in the middle seat anymore. That's going to take a third of the seats out of the airplane but the cost of play. I'm going to go down by a third so everybody's GonNa have to pay thirty three percent more plus the cost of our meal. If in fact Bennett's having you on I appreciate your time Tonight Ben. Ballgowns joining us. Here's what else is coming on this. Cnbc special report markets in turmoil one former northeastern governor on what has to happen to reopen the region and the rest of the country plus the major social and economic changes. We should expect to see when the crisis ebbs this. Cnbc'S SPECIAL REPORT MARKETS IN TURMOIL IS COMING RIGHT BACK. What we announced today we think is an unprecedented collaboration between two of the world's biggest vaccines manufacturers the hunt for a way to stop the virus intensifies. Anyone who's buying stock today because they think the vaccines around the corner. That's a mistake. Even without an effective vaccine investors keep piling into stocks. Which rallied again today. I just wonder how you're going to be able to convince the public that they are not an incubator infectious diseases and big business tries to find a path forward this CNBC special report markets in turmoil continues once again. Here's Scott Wapner. Welcome back after a big day on Wall Street. Let's take you straight to. The future is in showing right now. It looks like a mostly flat. Open all three of the major averages just modestly in the red this hour today stocks rallying on growing optimism over the outlook for the virus outbreak the Dow rising more than five hundred fifty points the S&P five hundred gaining three percent while the Nasdaq jumping four percent helped by Amazon hitting a new all-time high well two of the world's biggest drug companies Sanofi and Glaxo Smithkline teaming up to work on a vaccine for the corona virus. Glaxo CEO Emma. Walmsley talking to Jim. Cramer tonight about the effort required to get that vaccine. What we announced today we think is unprecedented collaboration between two of the world's biggest vaccines manufacturers to leaders who are both bringing proven pandemic technologies and scale to develop hopefully an agitated a vaccine against Kobe. Nineteen we also of course both brings significant manufacturing capacity. And if we're successful that we're hoping to get to a hundreds hundreds of millions of doses by the end of next year but a lot of work to do and we're sure the world will need more than one vaccine considering the state of the mom that was the CEO of GlaxoSmithKline. Tonight Emma Walmsley in your own words as we wait for the pharmaceutical industry to come up with an answer. There are many questions about what society will look like. Once it's safe for most Americans to leave their homes again. Peter Demand is is the founder of the x prize. He's written many books about the future also happens to be a medical doctor. Peter Welcomes Talk you tonight. I just got your latest big. If your latest book is called the future is faster than you think. Perhaps it needs a bit of a change to the future is far different than you thought so absolutely but when I talk about the book is how every single industry is going to change over the decade ahead and what are the benefits. Doing this really accelerated. We're going to be seeing a wholesale changes in the entire healthcare industry which today by the way is not healthcare. It's sick care. Rights is carrying only after. You're sick and we're going to see a transformation real you to. I'm going to buy any services that make sure that keep me healthy. We'RE GONNA see changes in retail education in entertainment. All of these industries are going to be changing. It's just they're about to change a lot faster than any of us. Thought so what might have been transformations five or ten years from now. We're seeing right now. The next two three years interesting. We spoke with Walter Isaacson last night. Who spoke about the change in careers that that people will have? And maybe you're studying genetic technology rather than some of the other coding. You would have done. It is related to a computer. Maybe the whole way we think about operating as human beings in the future is going to be changed as a result of this one hundred percent. The question is what are going to be the tools that are affected. Ceo is going to need in the future and it's no wonder just providing stability. It's really how agile and imaginative in reinventing your company and creating a adulation so in if you were in any kind of product or service before that. Was you know linear you need to think about? How can digitize everything? How am I gonNA dematerialize democratized democratized prices services so a lot of the entrepreneurs that I mentor the CEO's and mentor saying during this downing you'd be killing those things that have been slow and laboring and aren't working and take your attention economy your money your people and reinvent dimissed digital assets the same way that you know film photography became the Digital Camera and Kodak went bankrupt and instagram exploded blockbuster and Netflix that seem plays out over and over again? So Julie how digitizing and then Julia. Large number companies would just saw glaxo in all of the work on vaccines. There are some incredible startups in the biotech space. That are moving far more. Actually that are using machine. Learning neural nets and small teams can move extraordinarily fast to address these issues. How do you think we're going to think about our own health moving forward? You are a medical doctor as I said. Is it going to change? Is I spend a lot of my venture fund investments in startups from working on all in the health line JEB untalented space so our expectation is most of the system. Today is again secure. Takes Care of you. After you're sick life insurance pays after you die. It's complete reverse wins going to be. I think we're GONNA see a lot of the tech companies that are in our homes apple. Google Amazon really become part of our healthcare providing system. This watching us it is. It's working for us. We're constantly monitoring our bodies when anything goes out of Wack just a little bit we're alerted our. Ai Network looks and says hey you know. Let's go check on that right. I'm a pilot. I drive a tesla up. I don't take off the runway. Were driving in my driveway. Was Everything's green. But we know so little about our body ask is going to change. We're transforming our world. You know all of us here at home or learning that. Hey I don't have to drive to the store hitting ball get delivered to retail is going to change those homeschooling. Our kids are GONNA say really. Maybe edged homeschool them. More a lot of change is coming up because we're reinventing our habits while we're home on this global snow day so to speak. I'm sure it has you thinking about already your your your next book Peter. It's great to have you. It's good to have your insights far viewers. Thanks so much for being with US. A blizzard artist. Peter Diamante joining US tonight. There's much more ahead on the CNBC special report markets in turmoil. Next tonight one former big city mayor and governor of Pennsylvania says must happen to reopen the country before the break images from around the world on the one hundred seventh day of the corona virus crisis. Welcome back reopening. The economy is the topic on many minds tonight and joining us now is former Pennsylvania. Governor Ed Rendell also served as the mayor of Philadelphia governor good to have you with US tonight. Thanks for the time. How is this going to work? You're you're just as good as mine. No I think what's going to happen is Listen TO THE PRESIDENT. And of course he changes from day to day yesterday he was. GonNa give all the orders and he was going to the plans for reopening now today. It's the governor's Ever GonNa do it. Someone gave him a lesson in the constitution. But in any event I think the way it's GonNa Happen. It's GonNa be a gradual re-opening we're not gonNA push a button and things back to normal in fact Lord knows when we're going to be back to normal but I think we'll start with businesses that again. This is all based on adequate testing and regardless of what the President says. We don't have adequate testing now. We don't have testing enough to really reopened with some degree of confidence. But I think we can do bit by bit more. Businesses can be added to the list of businesses that are allowed to be open can be testing of their employees There will be some states states that are more spread out that don't have relations. We'll probably be allowed to both be allowed not allowed to open quickly than others. States that have big cities like New York and Philadelphia and San Francisco. They're going to be probably near the rear end of shorts. Do how do you balance the safety of your residents and I'm speaking for example. It's put you back in the chair in in Pennsylvania. It's big state. You have a large city in Philadelphia. How do you balance the safety of your residents with wanting to get the economy of a state like that in a city like Philadelphia? Back going again. Well it's interesting to say to. Your resident is key to getting the economy back going again if we open too soon and there's a new outbreak that not only means we gotta go back and do mitigation but were still that would be really damaging blow to the economy when we open. We better be prepared to stay open and gradually build up. That's the way to rebuild. The economy have and STARTS STATES IN MITIGATION OPENING UP. And then going back to mitigation because it didn't work That's the most disastrous consequence. So I think the two goals are somewhat self Reinforce it public safety. But it's good for public health reducing the number of cases reducing the deaths. Those things that are important to making sure that the economy can go back and grow steadily but if you have to make a choice you make the choice of the F. of public safety public health and avoiding death there are there are going to be some states. Inevitably that that do open as testing is not necessarily in the place that it needs to be. It may have to be on a leap of faith that you're going to be able to ramp up testing to what's required to be able to sustain this right if I were governor. I wouldn't do a leap of faith of people's lives simply wouldn't I think our economy will recover. The question is when it recovers. Question is what damage happens to us. In the interim I think recovery plans have been good. I think we do need more money. Put into the P P P. Because that's where the small businesses are the ones that are least likely to sustain themselves through this. We have to do certain things but I think we've got to make sure we do it right. We do. It gradually do it with as much test possibly can and it's okay to do it in some areas and not others but I like the fact that states are pulling sort of complex. The seven states in the northeast of Free State's on the West Coast because there's so much more ability that comes to open environment and Commie that it's essential that everybody opens under the same game plan in those areas governor. We appreciate the time very much. We'll talk to you again soon. That's Governor Ed. Rendell the former Pennsylvania joining us. Well we'll get you caught up on the latest headlines just after this quick break here are some of the latest headlines Tonight. President trump halts funding to the World Health Organization while the US reviews what he calls possible mismanaging and covering up the spread of the Corona Virus New York City revising. Its count now to include more than thirty seven hundred people presumed to have died from the virus. Pushing the death toll past ten thousand stocks rally. The Dow rising more than five hundred fifty points tonight. 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Bonus Episode: Sacred is Sacred!

All My Relations Podcast

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Bonus Episode: Sacred is Sacred!

"Everyone. Welcome to this bonus episode of all my relations antiquing I felt like with some of the stuff that was going on in the world this week around Notre Dom and all of the indigenous response to the burning of the cathedral that we would take opportunity to kind of drum in and have a quick conversation with one another about what was going on. If you like these short formats, we might be doing some more of it. But in till then we'll have a new episode next week. What? Hello friends and relatives today. We begin. Our episode sacred is sacred with love and condolences to our relatives. In paris. In fact, that is why we are here today we wanted to discuss Notre Dom and the outcry of public support. And then also the response from our indigenous community and other POC allies in the aftermath of the fire. Yeah. I mean, I've been shocked by some of the things that I've been reading on social media. And I also shocked that that that fire happened and it brought up a a whirlwind of of thoughts and images. Really? I think of like the images of of standing rock burning or the images of old man house burning and and sacred things in general burning and it, and it kind of has been a triggering moment for me how how about you Adrian. Well, I think that you and I have had slightly different responses to things like I've been I was sad. I guess at the burning of Notre Dame. I think that there's a lot of important artwork. And there is something to be said for the cultural space that the cathedral Holtz. But I was not I didn't find a lot of the responses super-problematic. I mean, I think I saw. I understood where they were coming from. And I understood why there was so much anger and outcry from indigenous communities and other communities of color around this particular moment, so maybe we can just take a moment to discuss some of those opinions, and I pulled up some different social media posts from some friends and some different opinions from different media outlets. Would you like to begin Adrian by sort of reading or echoing what some of those things say sure, so Doug Parker, who will is someone that we both know and respect very deeply said on Facebook. And it looks like it may be a quote from someone else said, quote, if two men in a world of more than seven billion people can provide three hundred million pounds to restore Notre Dom within six hours than there is enough money in. In the world to feed every mouth shelter every family and educate every child the failure to do. So as a matter of will and a matter of system, what do you think about that? I mean, I think it's true. I also think that the Catholic church is one of the wealthiest organizations on the planet and the Vatican holds vast vast amounts of wealth. And so the fact that folks are pledging money to them feels uncomfortable to me, I also think about how much atrocity has been inflicted on our communities by. Christianity. And by the Catholic church in particular. But I also do know that there are a lot of folks in our communities who are deeply Catholic or are deeply Christian, and that those systems of faith, really. Provide comfort and support and foundation in their lives. And I recognize that as well, he. Yeah. I I saw this post from Dallas. But it's from Arash sufi, and it says, yes, it is tragic that a church that took two hundred years to build on the backs of poor folk burnt down today in Paris. But eurocentrism is when you scroll past an ancient mosque in Palestine being demolished, but cried cheers. When something happens in Europe, just last week, Israel converted a historic mosque older than Notre Dame into a bar in the past few weeks. We have witnessed the burning of historic black churches, and we have seen sacred. Indigenous lands destroyed for pipelines. Not to mention the history of the Catholic church Nutro cities. It has been behind in Latin America Middle East, Asia and Africa have sympathy when it comes to European tragedies. But sometimes struggle with empathy part of my decolonisation. Processes removing the eurocentric lenses in which I once feud the world. Okay. I said a lot of people riposte this on social media. And I think that's where I I like had this moment where I I was just like, wait. Hold up. Hold up. Okay. First of all like, I've been to to this cathedral in Paris. And I remember the the the experience I remember walking in and being overwhelmed by its beauty. And by the these massive arches that I thought of being built in the sixteenth century. And wondering how they like man had the ability to do such majestic things at the time. And I remember feeling a little bit of like, ooh, you know, like, it was it was stolen resources that created created this in and knowing that that was a real thing. But at the same time, I think of my relatives. And the way that we behave on the res-, you know, when families that may be our arch nemesis, or politically we have very different opinions when they suffer loss or tragedy. How we will in that moment let that lie and go to the funeral and help start the fire and make fish and cook and be supportive and loving. And I think that we have this traditional knowledge structure that tells us we hold space for one another especially for prayerful people. And I think that this moment right now like, you know, twenty four hours after the flames have been put out is not really the right moment to begin politicizing in pointing fingers. I mean, can we just give them a moment to mourn, perhaps before we make it into something that fits within our agenda? I'm crinkly my face. I don't totally agree. I think so for me, I can totally understand -cause. What we talk about on this podcast our relationships in relation -ality. And to me there's a difference between I can support my friends and loved ones who like I have a lot of Pueblo friends and relatives who are are Catholic, and that this will be a major loss for them. And I can support them as individuals as human beings who are are experiencing a loss while also being heavily critical of the system that Notre dam represents. And so to me it's kind of like when we talk about after a mass shooting and people are like, oh don't politicize it we need to mourn the victims. But like one do we talk about gun control if not immediately after a tragedy? So to me, it feels like now is the time because a lot. Of non native, folks. Like, and this is what a lot of them memes are saying to me is that folks are like this happens to us every week. This happens to us all the time like are indigenous sites are just as sacred as Notre Dom, and you bulldoze them, and you burn them down. And you don't think about the implications of that for us. And so notice this feeling that you are feeling when you're seeing this thing burn in front of your eyes. And there's nothing you can do that hopeless that helpless feeling. That's what we feel. And so to me, it feels like this is a moment to capitalize on that to try and get some folks to understand what it feels like to be us when we see our sacred sites destroyed four whatever construction project or pipeline or shopping mall, or whatever it is. So I can have I can empathize with the folks who are feeling loss. But the Catholic. Churches so powerful. It's one of the most powerful institutions in the world. So us criticizing the Catholic church in this moment is not hurting anyone in my mind. Indigenous goddess gang put up a post saying the concern and dismays being felt by many around the world. Now, imagine that the damage to this historic and religious site was caused by pipeline running through it by fracking or due to development, the shock and dismay is the type of feeling digits people feel when our lands and sacred sites are damaged and are threatened, and that was a quote from Casey Duma, and you know, I can relate, you know, I've seen I think about old man house burning and our long houses burning in the northwest. And and I think about those Barrio sites like the canoe bone yards in the places where we fought really hard to protect to try to protect the gravesites in the sacred sites. In our many of our traditional spaces and. And I realize the importance of those traditional sacred spaces, and that's partly why I have empathy for these people that are morning because I know how the ways it hurts. And I think that if if we politicize the moment, I'm not saying that there isn't room for that conversation, and there should be. But I'm I do believe that that we have this human responsibility to to hold one another when when when suffering and in the same way that we want these same colonizers and oppressors to to be mindful of our sacred sites. We them. I just don't think that there's any difference. I mean, I I know that I know that there's power structures that play but. I just can't imagine somebody, you know, suffering right in front of me, some their house burning or or them being shot gun or some sort of crazy tragedy, and and not just taking a moment to to care for them. It just seems basic to me, and I think again, I'm not in disagreement that the humans that are suffering should be acknowledged. But I think to me too. Say that indigenous Meam accounts or indigenous accounts should not be posting these sort of gleeful things in this moment. Feels in some ways kind of like Thome policing which like were in such positions of marginalization as indigenous people that like no matter what our sponsor things. There's always going to be someone who says that it's not the right response that we should be going about it in like a nicer way or a calmer way or a less aggressive way. And we've seen that from the beginning in terms of our resistance to set loyalism as a whole is. It's always like well. We might listen to you. If you were just nicer about it is something that people tell me on the internet all the time. And I don't think that's the case. I think that people just aren't gonna listen, regardless. And so if we police the way that folks are going about their response to things I think that doesn't help the situation either like people should be allowed to voice their anger, and people should be allowed to voice their their feelings of upset that are sacred sites aren't taken in the same way that we don't get pledges of three hundred million dollars within hours that we don't get the same level of recognition or that. When the black churches burned in Saint Louis that people didn't see that as a similar level of tragedy or something worthy of notice. And so I think that this is a symbol. It's not necessarily about the actual act for some people. It may be but it's a symbol that is represented. Tive of the power systems at play and whose sites are considered sacred and who's loss is considered real loss. And that's the feeling that is coming out in all of these posts is it's been a long time coming and this is now a symbol that lets us talk about these feelings that we've had for a very long time. Yeah. You're talking about the seventh district Baptist church. Fires and Saint Landry. The. Yes. Yeah. The New York Times wrote about it. The headline is black churches destroyed by arson see spike and donations after Notre dome. Fire and the first paragraph says the fire at Notre Dame cathedral on Monday prompted immediate pledges of millions of euros to help rebuild it on Tuesday. Spur donations to do the same for much smaller places of worship thousands of miles away. That were recently destroyed by arson a crowd cunning campaign for three fire ravaged black churches in Louisiana receive more than one point two million after it was widely shared on social media on Tuesday. Many users noted that while hundreds of millions of euros had already been pledged to rebuild the famous cathedral, the small churches in Louisiana will still struggling. I I find it really at the crowdfunding campaign is now up to one point five million. And it's it's amazing. How this is like so quickly spiked. I think what is it like maybe standing rock raised like two million dollars total right for the whole for the whole situation. And part of the reason why the oil is flowing through the Dakota Access pipeline is because there wasn't enough resources up front in the beginning to really truly fight this big enormous oil company with in, you know, in in the channels that we have to which is in court systems, you know? Yeah. And even like, I just keep thinking, and I think a lot of people are thinking of the same thing in terms of standing rock where in September of the movement one of the former tribal historic preservation office. Offers on was granted access to private land. Which is adjacent to standing rock and was able to do an informal survey of that land that he had previously not had access to and that was in the path of the pipeline and identified something over twenty burial sites and potential burial sites. And a lot more of these archaeological features that he said were some of the most important archaeological findings in the state of North Dakota in hundreds of years, and he presented that information in court as a plea to get a temporary stoppage of the pipeline. And after he presented that information. Twenty four hours later, the Dakota Access pipeline construction workers went out to that exact area that he had identified on a Saturday of a holiday weekend and bulldozed it. And that. Was barely a blip in the media coverage of what was going on. And like the loss involved in that. Like, it makes me choked up to even think about it that like they skipped fifteen miles of their construction. They like were not even close to the site. They brought the bulldozers on the Saturday of the holiday weekend and just bulldoze that spot. So they wouldn't have to face the consequences in court of they're being burial in sacred sites. There. Unlike the loss involved in that, and I was there that day that was that was September third Labor Day weekend. When they also brought yeah, brought dogs and many brain bit by by the Dakota Access pipeline's, private militia who I think they're dogs bit like over fifteen different victims. I myself brought three boys to the hospital that day who all had broken ribs from getting beat up that day. And I I remember. Yeah. I was there. Yeah. And I think that that's what folks are thinking about when they're seen this public mourning for a secret institution that when we were mourning for a sacred space. We were met with dogs that were attacking people we were met with bulldozers like, I think it's stirring up a lot of those feelings that I think the conversation is also about visibility right? Like what you're talking about? Not just that we were married dogs and bulldozers and water cannons and massive arrests and felonies. But also that we were met with visibility right? Like that. I think that we can Amy Goodman was there and that aired on democracy now, and that going on democracy now actually really like conf made the the movement much larger was. Yeah. Major leaving cut because. It did it did it completely. I think the next week. You know, it was like there was a thousand people there. And then there was ten thousand people there. So the media attention really helped and all the media outlets came after that. But they there wasn't much run time. Right. Like, I remember watching the the live feeds, and and watching people being sprayed with water cannons and freezing temperatures and people getting hypothermia and looking up at national television, hoping that I would see some sort of coverage. I was looking for solidarity among strangers in. There was none of that. Just wasn't happening on national on national news, and it's still not happening right because what's happening with the Cariboo in the Arctic or with keystone or with lying three or what's happening on the bayou or with oak flats or with or bears ears or Monica or hickory ground or any on. We have we have Notre don's happening all over the place all the time. And so I do think that that's just that's the frustration. That's the voice that is coming out. And I think we both are on the same page in that we both think that there should be sympathy and empathy extended to folks who this is their place of worship, this is Representative of their their space of prayer their sacred space, and that we should be extending the the. The hand of understanding and healing to them. I'm in agreement with that. I don't know. I think it's an important time for us to also voice these other stories too because. Those are the feelings that are being raised for folks. And I think they should be able to have an outlet to to voice them. He I mean, we can't preach decolonization and say that the revolution will be indigenous. And then the very next day, you know, laugh at somebody suffering and just doesn't work that way. Not in my opinion. I do believe that sacred a sacred, and where people are praying they deserve respect and tolerance is the key. And you know, I understand people's response. But I also think of my grandma, you know, and and I think of many of our grandmas who. Became Catholics willingly or unwillingly. And I think if people like from my residues, there's a small Catholic church on res-, and there's this man father, Pat, oh, you've told me stories of father, Pat, and how father Pat has you know, will hold space for people like when we have funerals. We have the shaker church sing and Seattle and people will sing and sometimes Buddhists we'll get up and pray. And then like the fourth Adventists will also get up and pray and and their space made for everybody to pray. And when when people would like to in however, and whomever, and it's a really beautiful practice that I've never seen outside of my traditional. Territories. And and I am grateful that I was raised with that sort of tolerance. And and so I just like to extend my love and respect to the prayer for people that are suffering. And also tell you know, like the stronghold of the indigenous scholars and thinkers that I understand what you're saying. But I also I also hope that that we can also sort of lead the revolution in in showing our traditional teachings and and in our traditional teachings. I do believe that tolerances amongst them. So that's my two cents. I think that's fair. I got I got plenty of other thoughts. But I also think that we have kind of we just wanted to create this space to sort of think through some of the things that when we realized that we both had slightly differing opinions on what was going on. But I do extend my sympathies to folks in Paris in our Catholic relatives in our communities who this is a major loss. But I hope that we can also keep pushing forward the conversations around our own sacred sites as well. Wouldn't it be amazing, though, if this became a pivotal moment where we suddenly raise two hundred million dollars for keystone? Or three or the Arctic? Yeah. I mean in that sense. Like, this is when you kind of want to understand you wanna stand from the mountaintop and say like look protect bears ears an oak, flats and Monica and all of our other sacred sites that that have value in meaning to our people, and and one is in more sacred than the other. Word. Well, thank you all for tuning in and listening to Matik in. I have a conversation from across the country where grateful to to have you listening and tuning in, and please share with your friends like us on I tunes rate. It that really helps us out. We love you. And we'll see you next time. I'll relations.

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The Future Of Air Travel

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The Future Of Air Travel

"This is one A. I'm Sasha an Simon's broadcasting from my home in Maryland Airlines were soaring towards record travel numbers at the start of this year. Then Corona virus hit like a lightning bolt airlines posting dismal. Number number. Seem to be getting worse and worse and worse in the US. United Airlines says it's cutting twenty percent of its international flights and ten percent of domestic wants the global impact of the corona virus. Outbreak has slashed billions of dollars from accountable Delta Airlines losing hundreds of millions in quarter one preliminary results for the first quarter a pre-tax loss of two point. One billion dollars airline industry is facing. Its biggest threat to travel since nine eleven. The average number of passengers on a domestic flight is now about seventeen. That's about one Passenger Perot. American taxpayers gave US airlines of fifty billion dollar bailout to help pull the industry out of a financial nosedive. But will that be enough? And what will the future of air travel looked like in a post pandemic world joining me now with their tray tables in the upright position and seat belt securely fastened are Niraj Choksi. He's a business reporter with the New York Times who covers transportation. He has a story out today. Titled the Airline Business is in terrible trouble. It will probably get worse. Welcome to the show. Neeraj Sara Nelson is the president of the Association for Flight Attendants a Union representing fifty thousand flight attendants. Welcome back to the show. Sarah always good to be on one A. And Josh Earnest Communications Officer for United Airlines. Hi Josh either. Glad to be here Josh. What's expected to have a bigger impact on the airline Industry Corona virus or nine eleven the Krona virus? And it's not even close the way that we have seen demand declined the demand for air travel. The number of people buy tickets it has fallen more sharply. It has fallen more deeply and it stayed at these historically low levels for longer than any other crisis at the airline business ever faced before and it is the hardest part terrible. Is that all sounds and this is something that neuralgia story alludes to the hardest part about all this is we don't actually know demands going to start to come back. There's so much uncertainty around the virus and the efforts to find a vaccine and treatment. There's so much uncertainty. About what the economic toll this virus will take and how long it will take the bounce back from that and obviously our businesses very sensitive to the broader economic trends going on not just in the United States but around the world so high that uncertainty moving forward is is a very very steep challenge for those of us in the airline Business Sarah speaking of uncertainty. I'm thinking of the airline workers. What's what's been the impact on them. This is huge As Josh said this is much much much. Bigger than nine eleven. It's hard for me to compared to that. I was around then. Lost Dear friends but the issue is that we're not even out of the crisis yet so we don't even know how deep this is going to go and we were able to get some government funds to be able to protect jobs now and through September thirtieth but we have had eight flight attendants died. There are others fighting for their lives in hospitals. Right now and Overall if we didn't have these government funds ninety percent of US would be out of work. Let's get to this fifty billion dollar federal bailout of US airlines. Here's how American airline CEO. Doug Parker explains it in a message to employees. This bipartisan government. Support comes in two different pieces half of it or twenty. Five billion is in the form of loans for airlines. The second half is more interesting. There's another twenty five billion dollars of direct payments available to airlines so long as one. We agree to return service to every airport in the United States that has commercial air service today and two. We agree to not involuntarily furlough. Any of our team members both of those commitments would be placed until September thirtieth. At which time. We all hoping expect this. Health crisis will be behind US and Americans will be funny again Sarah. Here's your chance to unpack this for us. Tell us because you were highly involved in crafting this whole thing. What was the main goal here? The main goal was to make sure that we keep people in their jobs connected to their paycheck from their healthcare. So if if nothing were done for the airline industry as I said we have ninety percent of us Out of work. And we're talking about two million people in total with airports and airlines together. So that's that just adds to the unemployment lines and we're already seeing. The system is not set up to be able to handle that. The other problem with that is that people stop paying taxes. They don't have access to their healthcare. And it's much more difficult to get the economy going again. So these direct payroll grants were critical and we started working with Chairman Defazio in the house because spending bills are typically typically originate in the house and the the full value of providing for the payroll of all. The airline workers was thirty. Three billion dollars that got cut down to twenty five billion in the Senate so there was already a reduction in the amount that could be Given to the airlines in these payroll grants to keep up the payroll on top of that Secretary Mnuchin turned thirty percent of that grant into alone. Now you heard Doug Parker talk about twenty. Five billion are also available loans for operating costs for those airlines ran so supposed to be twenty five and twenty five Once you turn thirty percent of that into loans it's no longer a grant and what that will do is first of all. It's not really enough to cover. The payroll costs of the employees until September thirtieth. Leave a significant amount of workers who have taken voluntary time. Awful Interior leaves her voluntary for those voluntary retirement to We haven't seen voluntary retirements. Yeah we're going to be talking about this. And we're hopeful that we can put in place some Programs that will help people get off of this New York list by September thirtieth because as as many of the airlines have talked about. There's no way we're going to snap back to the size of the airlines the scope of the airlines that were in place on March march. First of this year. So we're going to need to provide some optional programs and possibly some additional federal funding. Because we don't know yet when we're going to be able to get the virus under control that demand will return and people who want to start buying tickets again. Josh you know. Why should taxpayers bail out a private industry especially one that's been reporting record profits in recent years? It's actually think as as just laid out you know the the support that we've gotten from the federal government has been so important to our ability to survive But that support has been helpful primarily because we know that there are communities all around the country that rely on commercial airline service to connect them to the rest the country into the connect them to the rest of the world that's why one of the provisions in the law was in exchange for accepting that support from the Federal Government. We would continue to provide a service in these markets so obviously the representatives representative in. Congress believed that it was important for that service to be protected and then as neurology alluded to. There's so much of what happens in the airline business that has a direct impact on the economy in terms of the hundreds of thousands of workers adjusts in the United States alone. Who have good middle class jobs through the airline business and how much business we facilitate but the other thing that is important people overlook is when you think about Uber Drivers the Hotel Business Restaurant Industry Convention Business and tourist attractions. All of those are associated. Industries that are directly affected by our ability to transport people around the country and around the world and so there is so much of our service that is an enabler for the rest of the economy. And it's why it is so important that the federal grant thorough support that we've received Will allow us to continue to operate until we have flown through. Hopefully a lot of this uncertainty but look. We don't really know what October I is. GonNa look like. Yeah we'll try to unpack that a bit more when we come back. We'll talk about where this bailout money is going. Try to tackle consumer refunds to coming up. What safety precautions are airlines taking to stop the spread of Corona virus? We're speaking with Niraj. Chalk she a business reporter with the New York Times covering Transportation Sara Nelson President of the Association of Flight Attendants Union representing fifty thousand flight attendants and Josh Earnest chief communications officer for United Airlines. I'm Sasha anti-mines you're listening to one eight from Amu and NPR this message comes from NPR sponsor. Better help a truly affordable online counselling service. Fill out a questionnaire online and get matched with a licensed counselor best suited to your mental health needs whether it's depression anxiety or trauma better help will help you. 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Today there's a new way to Hawaii United Airlines mainline airway. Which brings the Magic Island as close to your next door neighbor from seventy five mainland cities. United DC SIX MAIN LINERS CONVERGE ON California. The real starting point of your Hawaiian holiday. Josh can you just help us understand this fifty billion dollar bailout money? Where's it going as far as payroll and maintenance and what about consumer refunds? Can you talk about that? Yeah as as Sarah noted the direct payments that we've received from the federal government have all on the payroll that didn't cover all of our payroll costs but it recovered. It covered an important part of it. And so that was the intent of the program was to make sure that people could stay on the payrolls. That's a commitment that we made the federal tax payers that we made to our employees. And we've kept it. We've also applied for the grant for the loan portion of the program through the second half of that allotment we have until September thirtieth to decide whether or not it'll be necessary for us to draw down those funds so we're working with the federal government on that it comes to go ahead go ahead. WanNa bring in some engagement. We're getting a lot of listeners. Sharing their stories with us in experiences ROB tweeted to us. He says after flying over eighty thousand plus miles for the past four years. I have no desire to get back on a plane until the risk of Cove in nineteen or further mitigated Josh. What's your response to to that? It's a common fear. It is the first thing that people should understand that I think is just you know the the extraordinary steps that we're taking to keep people safe on board aircraft. We started just last week. A requirement that all people on board an aircraft have to be wearing a mask customers and crew that of course consistent with the CDC advice that we've gotten That if you're in a situation where you're in public and you can't safely social distance then you should wear mask we've overhauled are cleaning procedures were now using devices called electrostatic sprayers. These are devices. That hospitals used to disinfect hospital. Rooms we're using them to disinfect. The interior of our aircraft. We purchase seven hundred and fifty. These devices beginning next month will be using them before every single flight where overhauling our boarding procedures and both procedures for getting on the plane and getting off to reduce congestion in the aisles. We've installed glass at many of our gate locations in airports around the country so that our customer service staff and customers can safely interact in person so people can feel confident that we're doing everything we can think of to try to make the environment on board the aircraft and making their way to the airport. Safe that's useful now because by and large the planes are not very full. The airports are not very full. So it's actually a good time for us to be testing new policies and procedures to optimize them so that as people do begin to start to fly again and I think we will see more people flying once communities and cities and states begin to open up again that we can have those policies in place that we can practice them and we can ensure that. We're keeping people safe when they're ready to get back in there. Sarah I want you to consider this Message here we got on facebook from Rianne. She says no bailouts for big business. Let them fail. Let the market decide a question for you directly. Sarah you know. Why not let the airlines go bankrupt? Well I actually Wrote an OP. Ed about this So I know that's that's really the wrong approach. We've been there before what happened after nine eleven was that the Federal Bailout didn't work money. Didn't really get to the airlines. We all ended up in bankruptcies. I had a front row seat to thirty eight month. Long United Airlines Bankruptcy and actually twenty other bankruptcies that we saw close impersonal during that time. And what happened was that led also to consolidation that led to the things that people don't like today It led to the consolidation. The seats closer together. The airplane The airline fees Everything that consumers don't like and what that also did was. It made the employees shoulder the burden of that economic downturn so we took thirty and forty percent cut in pay. We lost our pensions We had to work longer hours. Productivity was running at Very high levels like every other industry. So we're having to work much more to make the same amount of money. We were just getting around to the The first round of bargaining after the bankruptcies and the mergers where this consolidation took place. That really you know. The the workers and the consumers were both squeezed in that era. If you let the airlines go bankrupt again the taxpayers lose total control of what happens here. If you don't WanNa see the workers have to shoulder this burden who are also the tax payers and the people who are creating value and creating value in the economy. And if you WANNA make sure that. The consumers needs their address then you keep control here by making sure that the industry is not punished for something that it didn't create. We're not even out of this Problem yet but the people who are so angry about that and WanNa let the airlines. Go bankrupt that's not people in a border. Hor going to get hurt. Trust me in a bankruptcy what happens is that they can take all the bonuses that they want and in fact more the bankruptcy lawyers who worked for United Airlines during the bankruptcy charge. Twenty five million dollars lunches alone. I don't think that's what the American people WANNA see. And in this case we can craft that the relief package for the airlines. That's going directly to the workers to the tax payers to the consumers and I think that's really what people want to see her and they also WanNa see a control on those stock buybacks. We got all of those things here. Never before in the history of this country. Have we ever had a bail out? Package that goes to a corporation tells them exactly how to spend the money it has to go directly to the people on the frontlines. The economy is built back up from round up rather than from the top down. And there's certain controls put on that company for that money. Talk Buybacks Caps on executive compensation no dividends and no layoffs. This is really a new way of thinking about things. And it's a better way for tax payers to keep control Josh. I want to circle back to our discussion a moment ago. We talked about prophets You know we're getting a lot of engagement on twitter folks saying that when I asked you earlier about tax why taxpayers are bailing out airlines that have been recording record profits. That you didn't quite answer the question. Do you want to take another stab at that. Well I think I did but I'm having to take another stab at it. If the services that we provide is essential and the reason that we saw federal representatives in Congress take an extraordinary step to provide us. Valuable support is because they recognize that. The service that we provide is so essential. And that's why we've continued to supply those markets those members in Congress. Also recognize that. The jobs that we support are really important to the economy. And so that's why we were willing to make a commitment that we weren't we weren't GonNa let anybody off in this period in which were accepting that Federal Assistance. So I think those are the really sort of the two key parts of understanding that answer and I think the other part of it is people have to understand that we've also made dramatic cuts all across our business. It's not just as if we're operating the same way that we did on March. First and we're just sort of pocketing. The federal money. We have dramatic cuts. Acerra pointed out. We ended up into our stock buyback program but the presidency of our company had stopped taking a salary. Executives are company have all reduced our pay by fifty percent. Tens of thousands of united workers have stepped forward and said that they were voluntarily going to reduce their hours or take a pay cut or taken unpaid leave. That's extraordinary an extraordinary show of loyalty. We've reduced our schedule by ninety percent. So means we're flying. Many fewer flights did before that of course saves money. We've dramatically scaled back the amount of money that we're spending on capital projects on other operating expenses. We've scrubbed that system. We've also taken a bunch of the assets that we have aircraft and other things and gone to the private market and secured billions in private financing. Just raise liquidity. So we can hopefully have enough money to make it through this crisis. So I don't want I also think it would be a mistake for people to assume that we're just sort of living off the government Dole. Here we're actually taking extraordinary steps all across our business. And we're seeing our frontline employees joining that sacrifice to ensure that this company can survive and come out on the other end a stronger than ever neurology. I want you to weigh in on on that as well. You know the airline profits. Also you know airline execs in the idea should should airline execs continue making millions of dollars a year while industry is being propped. Up by tax payers. Well you know cares act does It does actually cap Executive compensation Both the the loans For for operating the airlines and then also the the grants that weren't Denver employees both came with Provision to pay and captain I think starting at about four hundred twenty five thousand dollars a year. you know and those. I think those provisions speak to you know I think about this provision a lot when I when I wonder if If the industry needs and other another bail out you know what will they be able to get? I mean I think those concerns a lot of the public as about bailing out. Industries in general are airlines a public. Good Niraj I mean I. It's there's a strong argument. Yes right I mean. Can you imagine? Can you imagine a world without air travel? Can you imagine a world without tourism without air travel? Can you imagine Disneyland Without Forget? It's hard to it's hard to. It's hard to imagine. I mean you know what we would. What life would be like without without being connected in that way? That's not to mention you know airlines passenger airlines. The ones that people fly in carry half of the world's cargo And and a lot that cargoes valuable. It can be includes fast fashion. It includes seafood. Includes you know smart new smartphones when they released And so I mean. Removing removing airlines would be devastating to the economy. If if they do fail are we expecting them to merge or fail because of this crisis? I think it's probably fair to say both We've already seen. We've already seen some failures not in the US but largely in the US there was a regional carrier in Alaska Raven That that filed for bankruptcy last month On Sunday Bianca Latin America. It's the world's second oldest second largest in Latin America and one of the world's airlines felt bankruptcy. Let's pause right there coming up. Are you wondering if you should reschedule that flight to Vegas that you booked for this August? We'll try to get you an answer for guests and from you in a moment the biggest story in the world is a science story and keeping up with all the latest corona virus research. It's a lot. So on shortwave. We translate the signs. You need to know into short daily episodes. Listen and subscribe to shortwave from NPR. Now we're talking about air travel and how this will This pandemic will change that whole experience. Guests ARE NEUROLOGY. Chachi a business reporter with the New York Times who covers transportation Sara Nelson the president of the Association of Flight Attendants a union representing fifty thousand flight attendants and Josh Earnest chief communications officer for United Airlines. I wanted to jump right to a tweet here. From Katie. Katie. Says if airlines are so vital to the country perhaps they should be nationalized. Neeraj is this feasible. I mean before the seventies what are the pros and cons of Nationalizing Airlines. You know that's that's a good question. Yeah I mean it was the norm. It was once the norm. I don't know how easy would be to put that cap back in the bag out at this point. You know it's it's it's difficult. I I don't I don't get the sense. I don't think there's there's a strong hunger among lawmakers or you know the broader public to nationalize industry as large as this one In a in I think it would be. It would be undertaking on such a massive scale. Sarah what external factors need to be in place before air travel starts to rebound so to the future. Do we need a vaccine? Is that it is. We need hotels to reopen. What are we looking for here? So it's a combination of everything you just said and more and I'm looking here at a postcard that I got president. Trump'S CORONA virus game for America and it only mentioned two industries actually in this postcard specifically typically says don't go to restaurants and avoid discretionary travel so there has been direct advice from our government to avoid travel into avoid gathering groups of more than ten so so we see all across the country. Right now people really showing solidarity in helping our healthcare providers get a handle on this virus. We absolutely have to get to place where it's more contained but we also have to do the things that Josh than talking about putting in place these layers of safety and so we they're talking now about potentially having Tefa check for temperatures when people get to the airport We've got masks required across the board our airlines We are looking As as Joshua's saying united is planning to clean right before every single flight with the electrostatic. Sprayers that's really important. And we also are going to need some social media social distancing policies on the plane because even though everyone is required to wear a mask. We're still going to have medical emergencies on the plane and we've got to have the ability to move people away from each other. We're still going to have kids. Who are getting on board. Toddlers tried to get them to wear a mask for four hours. It's not gonNA happen right so we've got to be able to use that social distant thing and if we don't have some of those seats blocked out that's GonNa be very hard to do. And if that is not coordinated from the federal government that's also going to be hard for the airlines to do because they are operating off of The cheapest tickets if you account for inflation since deregulation and so more people have access to flying but what that means is that. They've really had to control capacity and make a profit by airlines run into at least eighty percent full capacity. So we'RE GONNA continue to lose money if we don't get back to that or if we don't have continued federal funding to support these safety procedures until we have a vaccine Sarah maybe you can also answer this question. That bridget left in our inbox. I had booked a flight to Costa Rica in June. And obviously that was being canceled. But I wanted to know what you thought about booking now for maybe Nine months from now. If that's a good idea. I think that bridget can go ahead and book that ticket. And I'll tell you why We are at work right now. Trying to identify what procedures need to be in place to make sure that we're safe and I have no doubt with the action that I've seen over the past month especially with the airlines. Really taking the lead even and absence from Leadership from our government Putting in place all the layers that will help keep people safe so In in nine months time no one has a crystal ball. We don't know exactly how The Corona virus is going to move here. If we're GONNA have a second wave what that's going to look like but I believe very strongly that we are going to continue to assess this with science and put in place to safety measures and safety net. That will make it safe to travel. A lot of our listeners are sharing their stories with us about their cancelled trips. Elaine tweeted. We were scheduled to raft through the Grand Canyon in June. We'd been waiting seventeen months for the trip of a lifetime. It was canceled two weeks ago. Andy wrote on facebook. I planned to fly south to two thou- Southeast Asia. Pardon me as soon as tourism opens backup. I assume flights will be dirt. Cheap as many will stay way from Asia because of the virus. Perfect time to fly. Now Josh I want to talk about refunds with you as well. Can I get a cash refund if I need to cancel a flight that I booked before this pandemic so have provided extraordinary flexibility to our customers? If you have a refundable ticket you can of course get a refund anytime that you want. The question is about a non-refundable tickets and this is a difficult question. Because in many situations where people are looking to reschedule their travel at stuff because of the fault of the individual traveler tells them that because the fault of the airline we've had many foreign countries that have basically shut down air travel into their country? So here's the policy that we have put in place. We have basically said to our customers again. If you have a refundable ticket can get a refund anytime you want. If you have a non-refundable ticket what we will do. Is We will refund you that money. Even on a non-refundable ticket if your travel is disrupted by more than six hours if we can accommodate you on a different flight within six hours then we will provide you those those new accommodations or we will give you an electronic travel travel certificate. That is good for future. Future travel for another twenty four months. We know people are looking for flexibility. And so that's what that provides the other thing on being related to the previous question that also is related to this one is. We do know people want flexibility. So if you're thinking about future travel and booking for future travel if you buy your ticket this month before the end of May you can change that travel for any reason without paying a fee and again we're sensitive to the idea that there's a whole lot of uncertainty out there Whether it's as a result of the corona virus or something else and so we want provide that that flexibility to our customers. And that's another reason they give them to find Josh. I understand that you know the distinction between the refundable versus the non refundable tickets. But you know in the in the instance that you're giving these vouchers what good is voucher to someone who's now terrified of getting back on an airplane and you know given the state of the economy right now surely you would understand why some people would want their money back sure and again. That's why we're we have basically extended the deadline typically when you get an earned Travel certificate like that good for future. Travel that something that you have to use within twelve months and we've said that people could have twenty four months to use that again. That kind of flexibility is what we found that you know. The vast majority of our customers are looking for neurology. Why are so many complaints coming in that people can't get refunds are airlines finding ways to avoid them? Yes there are. There are a lot of complaints and a lot of it. We're getting a lot of right. And a Lotta lawmakers are getting them to. There's a hearing last week on the state of the industry and You know Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut Took the industry to task. Can you know he? He said that? The practices of you know kind of redirecting consumers receiving refunds to vouchers. Are you know in some cases Deceptive but you know the the Industry. I mean it would be. It's it's really. The industry is in a difficult spot. The the the person who is representing the the airlines at the at the hearing who The Chief Executive of the Industry Trade Group he said that essentially if airlines refunded all the tickets That they could right now They WOULD RISK BANKRUPTCY. And so they're in a tough spot and some of them are are pushing battery or some of them are maybe pushing them. Too Hard According to their critics yeah in consumer reports has a petition with more than eighty thousand signatures asking for cash refunds so clearly a huge huge issue. Sarah I wanted to point this question to you. It's a tweet from Holly. She says with the air being cycled in the plane does it. Even matter how far away from the other passengers people are yes it does because The airline the air doesn't just cycle through again and again and again there is fresh air coming in also from outside and is is cycled into the cabinet along with their. That's already there. It's important that you've got a layer of protection here so Wearing a mask and everyone wearing a mask will keep the the virus from spreading if there's someone on board who's infected and it's not aware So that's really important and it's important to Not Be near to people because as we've learned also the virus can hang and tiny aerosol particles for a period of time in the air. And if your way from people that gives the ability for that to settle before You would be coming in contact with it so That social distancing is still is still important jumping to an email from bubba. Bubba says it's sad to see any industry struggle but one has to wonder if the airlines didn't create some of this problem long before in nineteen airlines have been progressively making flying less and less desirable smaller seats crammed in less and less services on the flight. I'm sorry to the workers but the airlines so Josh. I'm wondering what do you say something like that and also quickly? What advice do you have for people who want to fly but are hesitant? Well I think for people who are feeling uncertain. The first thing I would say is that were we at the airlines. Are Doing the same thing that people all across the country are doing which is doing our best to follow the guidance and advice from public health professionals about what we can do to keep our customers and our crew safe and so we certainly are. We're going to continue to do that. Because the advice is from public health professionals is going to continue to evolve as they learn more about the virus so we encourage people to do that into have some confidence knowing that the airlines are doing that to the second thing is our ticketing. Policies are more flexible than they've ever been and so people are thinking about travel. Certainly an option for them this to go ahead and buy that ticket knowing that they can change down the line without a fee if they choose to do so and I think that is the other big limiting factor here that we haven't discussed which is the primary reason. At least my perception is that people aren't traveling is ten seconds worried about the safety on board the aircraft. But the places where they're going or not open. Disneyland isn't open conventions or cancelled their new graduation. So people don't have as much travel to. We'RE GONNA go to right now anyway. Yeah Gotcha. I've been speaking with Josh earnest chief. Communications officer for United Airlines Sara Nelson. She's the president of the Association of Flight Attendants Union representing fifty thousand flight attendants and the Rosh Choksi a business reporter with the New York Times who covers transportation. He has a story out today. Titled THE AIRLINE. Business is terrible. It will probably get even worse. Thanks to everyone before we go. We've been doing this for weeks. And so as long as you keep sending us your acts of kindness we're gonNA keep sharing them today. Story comes from Kelley in Tallahassee Florida. I have a returning student who is graduating from college this year from flagler college in Tallahassee. A lot of the students in my group are returning students and so we were all really excited to cross the stage but we weren't able to because of Corona virus and instead our instructors arranged a zoom meeting after our last class last night and played some graduation music for us with us all talk to each other and this morning we were able to pick up our tasos at graduation cap from an outdoor location. That was all full of balloon. Class of twenty twenty signs and it was. They just made it really special awesome. Thanks so much for sharing your story with US Kelly. If you have an act of kindness to share we'd love to hear from you. Our number is eight five five two three six one two one. Two James Morrison produced. Today's show this program comes to you from W. Amu part of American University in Washington distributed by NPR. I'm Sasha and Simon's thanks so much for listening this is one.

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