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Green and matt gaetz are embarrassed in orange county. I'm alison gill in. Dana goldberg dana. Hello how are you how was your weekend. He was good. I'm doing. I'm doing okay. Getting through the days. There's just so much crazy news you into you. Celebrate it some pride this weekend and jeff in san diego. Yes this week was san diego's pride kickoff and today was the parade and the whole big celebration so i was down in hillcrest with the good friends of mine celebrating so i am back now and in my quiet home but it was really really awesome. It was lovely. I love san diego's pride. I'm i've missed it. I've missed it. It's so so good. And yesterday i talked to mary. Trump for like an hour and part of that is coming up later on in the show. We talk about her new book the reckoning our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal. We have a lot of news that we miss this weekend. Besides everything. I just told you some other cool headlines from the weekend include these illinois becomes the first state barin cops from lying while interrogating miners. I don't think they should be able to lie. While they interrogate. Anyone agreed to colorado lawyers are facing sanctions for filing a frivolous election lawsuit. Sanctions month. I guess and pennsylvania north carolina and oklahoma all reject private company. Third party audits like the ridiculous. Good crazy times carnival. That's happening in arizona so very good news. you know. We'll go over that a little bit more in depth later in the week but we do have the headlines. I gave you at the top of the show and we. Let's get to those. Let's at the hot notes. Hot notes lead story today. The house oversight committee the united states congress house oversight committee has launched an investigation into the arizona fraud it they wrote a letter to the ceo of cyber ninjas doug logan saying quote we are writing to request information about cyber ninjas participation in an audit which is in quotes of nearly two point. One million ballots cast in maricopa county in the twenty twenty election. We are concerned about your company's role in this highly unusual effort given cyber ninjas apparent lack of experience in conducting election-related audits reports that the company engaged in sloppy and insecure audit practices compromise the integrity of ballots and voting equipment and were questioned by the us department of justice and evidence that you and other individuals funding the audit have sought to advance the big lie in quotes of debunked voter fraud allegations in the november twenty twenty presidential election. Americans right to vote is protected by the constitution and it's a cornerstone of our democratic system of government. Committee is seeking to determine whether the privately funded audit conducted by your company in arizona. Protects the right to vote or instead an effort to promote baseless conspiracy theories undermined confidence in america's elections and reverse the result of a free and fair election for partisan gain. Do you think is is invalid when they take the ballots and they take them to a cabinet in the middle of the woods. I mean happens all the time right. Let's just take him up to montana. Be totally legit. The committee then discusses those three issues the lack of audit experience the sloppy procedures in the big lie. Then they make the following demands for all these reasons they say the committee requests that cyber ninjas produced the following documents by july twenty eighth. They don't have a lot of time here. Number one documents sufficient to show all individuals and entities with direct or indirect ownership interests in or control of cyber ninjas including but not limited to officers board members and shareholders number two documents sufficient to show all the previous clients to its cyber ninjas has provided consulting services related to election audit. That's gonna be a shortlist. Maybe not an existing number three all documents and communications related to the engagement of cyber ninjas for the maricopa county including but not limited to the purpose of the engagement the scope of the work the role of the company and the role of other individuals or entities number four documents communications related to payment or funding of the maricopa county audited including but not limited to the sources amount terms and conditions of such funding and any fundraising efforts number five. I'll documents communications related to conducting they audit including but not limited to policies procedures audit plan strategy staffing and personnel and security or integrity problems. That arose during the audit and then he interim or final audit findings. We would like the findings please number six all documents and communications related to the following allegations that have reportedly been considered by you or your company in connection with the twenty twenty presidential election and then they list all of these things all documents and communications related to formal and informal complaints related to the audit received by cyber ninjas from any source including but not limited to federal state or county election officials cyber ninja employees or other individuals. I like that just sort of anyone. Number eight all instructions. Directions training materials or guidance. Cyber ninjas employees consultants agents volunteers representatives received relating to the audit and nine for the period between november six twenty twenty and the present all communications evolving you or any cyber ninjas employees consultants agents volunteers representatives with former president donald trump any trump administration official any formal or informal representative of trump's campaign legal team or political action committee any representatives of voices and votes fightback america project or any other funder of the maricopa county audit on rudy giuliani. Or any of his agents or representatives. Sydney powell lynnwood patrick byrne. That's the overstock ceo. Michael flynn and michael dell. They know something that we don't yet with the michael. Flynn thing they go on to say. The committee on oversight reform is the principal oversight committee of the house of representatives and his broad authority to investigate any matter quote at any time quote under house rule. Ten and donald trump key allies by the way could be facing a criminal investigation in arizona for all this bullshit last week. Arizona secretary of state katie. Hobbs also gubernatorial candidate state's attorney general mark berkovitch to urge him to launch a criminal investigation into trump over the potential violations of state election laws. Hobbs made the request. After the reporting from arizona republic reveal details of the high pressure campaign launched by trump. Hobbs wrote that trump individuals including his personal lawyer rudy and Gop kelli ward and lawyer. Sydney powell tried to influence maricopa officials to stop counting member when we got that text messages hob cited comments made by ward etc etc. On friday attorney general berkovitch wrote back to hop saying we. You give us your documents related to allegations of violations of election fraud like we want all your stuff cool bro. It's all in the maricopa county website but whatevs you. Betcha albans certified. Thanks for asking my goodness okay. Well we're going to to the washington post so this is this is frustrating. Because when we say there's white supremacists everywhere they are every where a father and son who are current and former florida police officers and in north carolina man has been charged with joining the alleged proud boys members january six capital riot. And that's according to a new five co-defendant indictment unsealed in washington on friday. So we have kevon. Tito is what it goes by tuck. He's fifty one we've got nathaniel talk twenty nine and they're both of central florida. They were arrested and released on a twenty five thousand dollar unsecured on thursday by us. Magistrate judge in tampa and this is from the court records. Now we got edward george junior. He was also arrested thursday. He was scheduled to appear in federal court. Friday in raleigh. And that's according to those court records so the charges bring the number of off duty law enforcement officers off duty law enforcement officers charged in the capital mob at to at least twenty in the defendants ties to several central florida. Police agencies highlight the continued pressure on sheriffs and police chiefs nationwide to scrub their ranks of members with links to white supremacists and far-right armed groups. This is a big deal. An unsealed nine count. Indictment dated july seventh charged. The chuck's father son team and george with obstructing in joint session of congress that was meeting to confirm the twenty twenty election results trespassing and disorderly conduct now. They're not charged with conspiracy. Unlike some of the other boys at least not yet sue. George was also charged with assaulting a police officers stealing government property entering the senate chamber with kevin tuck and engaging in civil disorder with nathan. Tuck now thursday. Kevin tuck resigned the police department. Good For for windermere an affluent bedroom community. Noor orlando whose residents include several high profile celebrities and professional athletes. So that's where he was a police officer windermere and he retired and Should have many many years ago in waiting for his twenty nine year. Old kid the other tito. Tuck to resign from north carolina. All right so. We've been following the michigan sanctions case against the elite strikeforce cracking assholes. We covered the hearing which did not go well for them and at the end of that hearing sydney powell took full responsibility for the entire suit because during the hearing all of the players were like this wasn't me i didn't have my name on it. I had nothing to do with it. Yeah whatever but at the end sydney pow was like this is all me. This is my suit. It's all on me. you know. Come after me. But then she went on a minutes long rant of election propaganda supporting the big lie now before the zoom call and this happened to any in. You'll notice if you're a reporter you've logged into any of these court hearings. There's a huge warning. In bright red bold font. That says we've seen this before saying you cannot record this proceeding and you cannot make any part of public. Otherwise you'll be violating rule. Thirty eight some very important rule. So what did lynnwood do he did. He recorded it posted. He posted it he did. He posted his nearly one million telegram followers. And that's what. he did. The bulk of his posting was sydney pals. Big lie rant now. A lawyer for the city of detroit immediately filed a motion to hold lynnwood in criminal contempt for the stunt. This is beyond the motion for sanctions. They're like hey. He violated this rule. This court rule we file a motion to hold him in criminal contempt and within forty eight hours. The judge ordered lynnwood to file a brief explaining to her judge parker. Why she shouldn't hold him in criminal contempt for violating that role. She's like you have a you know this much time to tell me why i shouldn't fuck and do this. So they're all fucked. I'll stay on the story for you as we'll adam class felt if you're not already following him you should follow him on twitter because he will give you all the updates as they happen. He's they're usually either on. The calls are in the courtroom. So he's a good follow on twitter to keep abreast. It is really unbelievable. How bad these right wing lawyers are at the following the fucking law. Get his really unbelievable. How bad they are. It is is what they do for a living. It's really really bad You have a gift for me. Do the gift for me. Alison i do. I have a present for you and it's today's shoddy freida. Thank you my friend. Okay after three separate attempts to hold on america first rally were cancelled. By southland venues organizers held an impromptu rally outside riverside hall saturday and have ridiculous. Fucking video by matt. Gaetz was posted on twitter. Congress members gates and mark green calling her marge because she that's all respect she should get were forced to downsize to a small protest. Can't in riverside are now threatening a lawsuit over the cancellation. So the anaheim events center was the third venue to cancel on organizers. Anaheim officials say they express safety concerns with the private venue and the operators shared those concerns. Event was also cancelled it to previous venues in the hills and riverside and alison. I think it might have gotten cancelled an anaheim because it was too close to disneyland and there's teenage girls in the park that would be my guest for matt. Gaetz can't so gates and green. They both spoke a short time each at the impromptu riverside event. You know what's really funny to you. Make you make the anaheim disneyland joke right but i mean what's interesting is something that was in this article i cut out was because the city of anaheim said you know we're concerned about what was going to happen at those rallies and what was going to be said that could be considered a first amendment violation and somebody said hey. Are you going to treat the girl scouts the same way and my first thought was yeah. Keep the girl scouts. Far fucking away from matt shit. Last thing i want to see his then mo memo that just says cookies The story goes on. This is a quote. They may try shit. this is matt. They may try and shut down our menus but we will take this fight to them in the courts in the halls of congress and if necessary in the streets which is exactly where he had to do this little impromptu protests. Now hinting at a lawsuit over the cancellations green gates Stirred the crowd up and then they left. Supporters protested were gathered on opposite side of the street now. The rally was initially planned for the pacific hills banquet events center in laguna hills but back cancelled there. Because we just want to stay. Clear of that is what the general manager told the orange county register. We just want to steer clear. They just want to stay clear of that. Yeah we don't wanna to get involved met shit. It was then shifted to the riverside convention center but officials with the rain cross hospitality corporation which manages and operates the city center under contract with the city. They told officials friday night. The event would not take place now. According to reports there were about one hundred people about one hundred people there and which is which is tough. There are fifty people there for another event which is really interesting. Who knows what they were going to see the time. The videos ridiculous. They didn't take questions and as they were leaving. They were being booed by the crowd. It was also don't know why they're doing in america first rallying california when they're fucking legislatures in florida and georgia go home and do you're damn job. I know well yeah. They probably don't face constituents but if this if they drew all one hundred of those people data that is one fourth of the largest crowd muller she wrote. Drew went on tour. the podcast. I just wanna say like every time we charted higher than hannity. I had a. I did a little dance in my head and now it's like you can't even get one hundred people out to i mean like when was the last time you did a comedy show and only one hundred people seriously. A bunch of comedians on twitter. We're like dude. Line is longer than i wish. People could understand like anyone who's performed in any key in front of any kind of crowd in any capacity. You'll be like. Hey if you do a show on the main stage at the comedy store on saturday night. That's five hundred people we get a. You're in new york. When i prefer new york duplex upstairs. It holds a hundred in a very small little room. Yeah that is a pathetic crowd on the streets of riverside. Yeah furlough big-name congress people well and you know what's let's also orange county's all always sort of been we call it. Be being behind the orange curtain. It always republican but we flipped the shit out of it in twenty eight team. We flip that whole county blizzard and so I'm not. I'm not super surprised. All right everybody. We're gonna be right back with mary. Trump her second book is now available for preorder. It drops august seventeenth but you can pre-order it. Now it's called the reckoning our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal. It's an incredible book. I haven't incredible conversation with her coming up right after this break. Stay with us everybody. It's alison from the daily beans weekday mornings. 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From the biggest newspaper west of the mississippi new episodes of the times are available every weekday to listen to subscribe. Go wherever you get your podcast and search for the times daily news from the la times. You'll be glad you did. Hey everybody welcome back. Honored today to be speaking to the author of the new book the reckoning our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal she also has another book out too much never enough. We just finished the book club. please welcome mary trump. Hello mary eighty hells ago and it's going it's going well i am Back home i'm home from the hospital. Everything is looking okay. I was actually running around today. Trying to get myself care. Done how self-defeating is that you're anxious to get yourself does outer counterproductive. But i did it. And that's what matters so. I wanted to talk to you today about this new book which is available now everywhere. You get your books. And i highly recommend a number one new release and i wanted to talk about. What prompted you to write it because you know you had such screaming. Success with too much never enough. We learned so much from that book. But i know you. And i've had conversations about you. Know what now and so. I was wondering if that sort of what sort of motivated you to go onto another book first of all. It's great to be back. I've spoken with you for well on the daily beads. You've been writing a book. i. I haven't been writing a book. Yeah it was quite something and also. I didn't have a lot of time in which to do it. I think i started in december. Which is insane finished in at the end of april so The difference between this book in the first one whether a lot of differences but it had this one was much more research driven as opposed to experiential so that was pretty time consuming as well. But what prompted me to write it there a couple of things first of all. I got the idea for it. Back in september october. Twenty twenty when the election was looming and it had become clear that cova did was not ending and that if donald had managed to steal his way to the oval office for another four years it probably never. Would you know but more than that. So that was obviously stressful worrying about what was going to happen either. Way like no matter who got into the white house It was going to be bad. And what i was focused on. Time was What's going to happen when it this is ever over when people start emerging from covert isolation What what is going to be going on with the state of people's mental health in this country so that was the starting point. And i felt like you know because of the first book i had a platform and it was really important to me to use it in a way that would Help right I was really grateful that even in october november of last year people still seem to be interested in getting my take on things. And i didn't wanna squander that So if he gets somewhat i thought of maybe writing another memoir. But that's not that's not useful. Now you know we're dealing with what will be the greatest mental health prices. I this country's ever seen were not prepared for it. My fabulous uncle has managed to polarize this country. In a way. it's never been. I don't think since the civil war and the divisiveness among us is pretty terrified. So we're all going to be but regardless of what party belong to. we're all going to be suffering and now we see where that division is of us right. We're gonna we're we're going to be going back and lockdown any week. Now i'm guessing so. That's where i started with a in-in with all the other stuff by one that's great But then things like january. Six insurrection happen. What i need to take a step back. I cannot write three hundred. Thirty million separate treatment plants. There's really no useful way to talk about mental health in that context. 'cause it's it's so complicated and so individual so i thought instead you know what let. Let's figure out how we got here. And i not that this is. This is a unique observation. But i realize the extent to which two things were largely responsible for where we are first from this country since inception. We're at least going back to rob really. We've never held a powerful white men accountable Which has paved the way for donald and we have continued to embrace white supremacy. White supremacy is is essentially a platform of one of our two major political parties at this point and by pretending that. That's something that's in the past. We just keep perpetuating the various serious problems that we've been facing never dealt with you know i would say that we have not only have. We never acknowledged. Asari atoned for The racism in the way to pharmacy. We've barely acknowledged it and So those two things. I think pave the way for autocratic incompetent people like donald to get us for his s. He's gotten he got an additional. And i honestly i think the pandemic still hasn't ended for the unvaccinated who who i imagine are largely donald supporters. Because we're seeing that. The statistics ninety nine point three percent of hospitalized people for covert or unvaccinated. But a lot of the folks. I've talked to who you know when we were opening up. And you know like you said we're we. We're headed for another lockdown. Probably but as you know as we're opening up cdc was saying you don't have to wear masks indoors anymore if you're vaccinated go travel thing. A lot of folks were very hesitant. And i don't think that we were given any time to process that trauma or to even grieve the six hundred thousand plus people that we've lost as a country you know. I remember being given space and time to grieve nine eleven. For example we were given that public space in that public time. And i don't feel like we've had that opportunity. And i think a lot of people are suffering because of it. Well you know. How do you heal from trauma. While you're actively being traumatized you know thought writing the book it's impossible and you're right Because of how. This has unfolded. There has been no space because the problems that stopped on the one hand and secondly even now it's being very very poorly handled the fact that new york for example where i live which was a nightmarish. Hell scape slightly more than a year ago. And i'm not exaggerating. It was terrifying to be here. Just opened up. You know so On the one hand. I think it's wildly irresponsible just from a health standpoint. You know a a kovin standpoint but there is no easing back in. Like you're saying so how do you go from. I haven't seen another human being in the year and a half to. Oh my god like everybody's in the grocery store now everybody's On the subway. I mean luckily in your well. That's changed a little bit but initially most people still masks people still do on public transportation which is great. But i'm guessing some of the case in the world but it's it's really destabilizing especially for people who have social anxiety to begin with even for people who didn't know because we don't know how people are gonna react now. We've got people who describe themselves as is extroverts who were terrified to be around people now or introverts who were like desperate for her for being in the physical presence of other people. We're going to be looking at enormous amounts of ptsd depression and substance addiction and Physical health problems because everybody's been so sedentary eatings about the drinking too much etcetera etc. So when i think by opening back the way we have Which was quite disappointing. Considering i thought you know this administration is infinitely superior and preferable however. I really thought that the people in the administration who handle these would be better at it and it was pretty disappointing because one look where we are now vis-a-vis covert but to. It's just another stressor. You know you you talked earlier about you know being under all the stress to go get your self care and it's kinda like that. Yeah and i mean you add that on top of an already existing shortage of mental health care in this country. People going into this with with issues already let alone coming out with new ones. But you know you said extroverts. Who don't want to be around people that's me. I like the first couple months of of lockdown down. I was going i was. It was so hard. Because i was alone by myself. And that's it and i'm totally extroverted person. I thrive off of physical human interaction. And lots of it. And then now you know. I'm invited to go somewhere and i'd rather really not because it drains me of energy i feel like i got into a rhythm where i knew how to solve sudan. Energize myself as an alone person and now it's too much. Yeah there's no way to know right until until you get into those situations and that's part of the problem for people who haven't experienced these things before. I mean obviously none of us is has experienced a pandemic in the lockdown. And a you know. A living in a government determined to kill as many of us as possible especially for democrats in people of color but Obviously i'm talking about the last administration not this one. But it's the it's the unexpectedness it's not knowing what's gonna happen. I i have complex. Ptsd i've had headed for very long time. I know you have videos. The so i know. Obviously it's not because of coven it. Long predates coven. So i know what to look for not necessarily saying that i can do anything about it but i know went on dissociating and that's some comfort rate like i know when a really bad anxiety attacks coming on and i can most of the time diffuse that but if you've never experienced that before he know data it also is going to add to the stress and the terror and think about how sustained it's it's been The levels of fear and anxiety even if they don't result in a diagnose -able psychiatric disorder. It's going it's taken a toll one way or another. Yeah yeah and like you said. I've been living with for a couple of decades. I'm i'm pretty good at recognizing. When i'm having a panic attack when i'm dissociating when and calling it out doing the evidentiary thing in my head where i list off the evidence to try to talk myself out of irrational thoughts etc but people who are new to that. It has to be extremely disoriented. I've talked to so many people who are like the weirdest thing happened to me. The other day. I got really dizzy. My vision narrowed to sit down and my heart was racing. What is that am i in menopause. I'm like that sounds like it to me. It sounds like a panic attack. No but i don't have any panic disorders. You know and it's like well you know we've been hit with this firehose of asshole ary next nonstop for four years. So it's like you said it has to take a toll. Hey i have to take a quick break. But i want to continue the conversation. We stay with me absolutely thanks. Everybody will be right back. He everybody it's ag from beans recently. I made the investment to upgrade my mattress to get a better sleep by also quickly realized i needed to put just as much thought and care into the sheets that i'm sleeping on night after night. I did the research and for the crop. It's bollandbranch bollandbranch knows high quality. Sleep doesn't stop at your mattress. 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I wasn't supposed to do that. I can use a gray towel instead of a white towel. I can go and see my friends and have lunch without having to draw a map and check in and so you start realizing that but at the same time it felt freeman who was also very terrifying and i that was inexplicable to me but i imagine some sort of the same things apply here. Yeah and it's all still unfolding against this backdrop of very disturbing political instability. You know we. We've been so betrayed and we're so tired and it's it's it's incredibly destabilizing and disheartening and the press saying and all those things to realize that it's not over we can't let our guard down and how. How do you negotiate all of those things at the same time. And i'm not sure you can because it's all it makes it even harder to draw the line. Okay what is what is what is a reaction to what's really going on the world and what is the the knock on effect of the isolation and the stress because of coveted and what is legitimate psychiatric psychiatric psychological problems. More physical problem know so. We're still in this really amorphous. What's the word. I'm looking for a society or whatever i mean. Our lives are still really amorphous. Sorry to be so eloquent but because nothing settled and you know that was one of when again When i was first writing the book proposal was in october so is before the election it was sort of a writer own adventure and i needed to make it clear to a prospective publisher that i had a good idea either way but the truth of the matter is a joe biden of loss at lost. Ibm tahiti or something. Yeah i remember you. And i have a discussion early on when this was still when we're still in the middle of it and how devastating it was to our psyches to have such an uncertain future. Because you just brought up uncertainty not to be able to make plans not to be able to seek look forward to anything. We had nothing little literally zero to look forward to and you know. I think that that kind of in combination really sort of just adds to the root the. It's like a snowball effect. You know but you know this book also talks about how you know that. Trust relationship whether you have it with another individual or whether you have it with the institutions that govern your country how we have to heal order to build that trust back that we have with these institutions that we've relied on for so long well. Yeah it's a terrible problem. Not to have faith and things jehovah had faith and one of the worst things about the last four five years. This is the ease with which that instability became. Wizard was injected into the sister. Which again though leads us should lead us to believe that it's been going on for a long time but a lot of us have the luxury of not having attention and that's another that's another aspect of this that you know i'm pretty sure most black americans have understood this forever. Yeah so i think it. It gives us an opportunity to recognize that. But it also gives us a chance to We we imagined. I don't think rebuilding is can't rebuild. Something that's if the foundation is essentially sand and swamp so because and why do we want to rebuild that anyway we want to rebuild this incredibly unjust society We want to rebuild something that doesn't work for a huge minority of us or do we want to start over and say listen The american experiment is great. But it's never been realized this is a this is never been a democracy so maybe we should start there. Yeah yeah. I agree a political ease of doing that. Aside and You know considering everyone who's gonna make it as difficult as possible to do that. Because the you know the white man white supremacists they want that status quo. They're they're terrified of the quote unquote great replacement. It was the number one motivator for for the insurrection and for charlottesville and for all the You know militant extremists white. Supremacist groups out there. And so it's it's going to be. It's going to be a tough road and in this new book. Do you start to address how we can do that. Yeah but i'm gonna keep that a surprise. No yeah let's not. Let's not give that away just so that you know that's in the book everyone that you need to get wanted to everyone. No it's vague and What i'd say is we've got to stop fully pundits Yes i concur. Well thank you so much for spending time with me today and talking about this. And i want to to go and get your copy of the reckoning. Our nation's trauma and finding to heal. Mary trump's her second book. Here the first one too much and never enough. You're very familiar with i. We just wrapped up the public playing of our book series which we we actually wrapped last october. Which was right. Around the time you were deciding to penn this new book and so i'm so glad you did and you're right dude fast track. Well done because. I started my book and march of last year and i don't even have a proposal already on. That's that's really that's more what it's usually like think from reading the proposal to publication. I mean sorry. The final draft. My first book took almost two years. And i do not recommend it to anybody. I'm still recovering. Yeah i was gonna ask. I know not to ask how you are. But i kind of like genuinely want to know if if you're if you're recovering from from your from your adventure of completing a book in the fastest time possible. Yes yes i am but you know it said save worthlessness. Am i recovered and my recovering. Govett and my workup. For the fact that like an idiot. I decided to move like finish the book. I landed in a pretty cool place that so i'm not complaining. Yes yes you did. And why don't you just add on top of. Hey this isn't enough. Let's move as well. I hope sebastien. And the whole brood is settling in. And i'm glad to see that this book is out and ready to go and i'm looking forward to reading it. I haven't read it yet. So i'm but i will and i'm sure i will devour devour your first book so i appreciate your time. Mary trump thank you so much thanks. Jj great to be here everybody. Stick around we'll be right back with the good news. Hey everybody it's a g for the daily beans. We all put things off from time to time but procrastinating about our health just adds to stress and that can snowball and make our health worse. So if you've been putting off seeing a doctor or if making an appointment feels like a chore or no causes anxiety plush carries here for you. 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Highly recommend to everyone. Anyway i guess it's kinda sorta a good new submission but feels more like a quote moment of gratitude. And i feel like screaming at the top of my voice just because mission. No pets of my own for pod. Tax family keeps me more than busy. But i am submitting the picks of some adorable cuties available at the silicone valley humane society. Oh and a picture of my latest creative endeavor you ladies and uncle has clearly been painting rocks in. They're actually quite beautiful. Very sweet and oh. There's three cats that you can see that up for adoption beautiful. Layla and piper look just like boobs by the way and there's alice oh my god they're so adorable and those will be in the show notes can adopt them. If you're in the silicon valley area. And i love the rock painting my goddaughter and her mom my best friend paint rocks and then just leave him in people's you hard since so rad. No my goodness. I love these. Oh my gosh. asylum is a human right. Immigrants are welcome. Water is life. I loved these sciences fact. Oh these are good. Love is love justice for everyone. Black lives matter in this house. We believe and we believe is in rainbow colours. I love it so much. God and i'm looking at this photo and dying inside from the cuteness. Okay from mk. From atlanta pronounce. She and her high. I've been listening to the pot. Since the beginning of most she wrote. Here's a pod. Pet with holiday. Cheer no need to guess. The breed jack. The cutest most misbehaved loving dog. Oh i've ever had thanks for everything you ladies do. Look at the feet. Look at the flu from the feet. And they're like ballerina means and then also she says. Ps any recommendations on how to celebrate my twenty fifth next month. So if anyone wants to write in with any recommendations on for mk from atlanta on what you can do on her. Twenty fifth right man sent him to us at daly's dot com and click on contact and we will take those recommendations. Read them on the air for you. I'm k her alright. I got this one. This one's from high teeing for syllables pronounced. Hi good. i did that right though. The glorious feminine pro. Last week a listener suggested donating frequent flyer miles to women in texas. You might not be able to access safe abortion. This inspired me to tell you about. An organization started by some amazing friends of mine in new york city area. Rigid alliance arranges funds travel for women who are seeking abortions but do not have access to their states or locations. This is awesome. Although it is terrible that such an organization is necessary. It's wonderful that it exists. I can't believe it took me so long to think of sharing this with your amazing community of listeners. Seems like a cause that many of us would be to support the bridge alliance website. Is bridget alliance dot org. That's b. r. I g. i. D. a. l. a. n. c. dot org now for pet tax. I submit another photo of. What do you think each week. Igwe adrian wheat floor monster monster so over the summer heat on my god. He is also big chidi as very big. Kitty got big man face to so cute cat because of that. First time you don't know what a man cat faces are good times. All finally from tim he him. They've them. Hello beans queens. I've been listening since the kitchen days. And i've heard every episode. Thank you for all you do to keep some perspective truth insanity in our world. Thank you tim. Like many people twenty twenty was an absolute shit. Show for me. The worst of it was that we lost my mom in july of that year. I'm i'm writing to you on the one year. Anniversary of passing my mom worked for the arizona department of insurance and ran the health policies division for a while she did. Many great things advocating for people who weren't being treated fairly by insurance companies and she helped punish and regulate those companies. I didn't learn this until after his passing but she was one of the people who worked to have all newborns automatically covered on their parents insurance for ninety days from birth before that any children born with disease or defect would forever have a pre existing condition. Oh wow thanks to my mom and others that changed despite being eighty and born and raised in conservative arizona. My mom was a liberal lion and taught us well. She was a proud supporter of planned. Parenthood and took me to register to vote the day after my eighteenth birthday. I'm in love with her on her last day. Not really being able to get out of bed and feeling very weak. Mom asked for her mail in ballot and made her choices for our primary election. We mail her ballot that day and she was gone the next morning two months later when. Rgb past sent my brother a single word text fuck. He wrote back at least mom. Didn't have to see this. Mom was a huge fan of rgb and even kept rgb finger puppet the house so she could chat with her from time to time. When we later recounted this exchange to my mom's closest family member and friend she replied to our comment about mom not having to see it with no. She was there to meet her. She says i'm not a big believer in a concrete notion of the afterlife but that thought makes me happy because i know they would get along famously and it reframe what is tragic and what is good and an attempt to do the same and actually make this a good news submission. Yeah with the fog. Here's what's good about all this. She was my mom. She was my mom and she changed the world by thinking about other people and how they were treated unfairly and what we could do to change that. She was an amazing grandma to my son and he got to spend enough time with her that he will always remember. Come twenty twenty two every last person. Better get out and vote if mom could do it on her. Last day and help flip arizona. Then everybody can please. Everyone honor her memory every year and vote. Her birthday was in november. So every time you vote it a gift for mary. My mom job thought i was going to keep it together until the end. Tim thank you so much for that submission. I'm so sorry you ostrom but she sounds like she was absolutely incredible and obviously raised a very good human. Oh my god. All right tacoma. Tacoma mommy i know. I spoke with earlier today. I needed it to goodness everyone. Bright now i mean seriously if your mom is still alive she someone you talked to. And she's passed on. Just give a call tell you love her dad's to uk my friend. Yes i'm okay and if you have anything you want to submit to us if you have any stories please send them in by going to daily beans pod dot com and clicking on contact and if you'd like to become patron it's three bucks a month that gives you access to all of my shows all the shows that we do. You can do that in the same place. Daily beans pod dot com. Click on contact. Tim thank you so much for that incredible submission and much left to you and your family and to your mom. She sounds like an amazing person. I remember when my mom took me as as a kid Whenever time she would vote she would take me to the polls remember. I used to be like these wooden boxes with like cloth. Curtains that you'd have to like and now we just have sort of these cardboards. Dan's and i'm like cheap. But i really that's emission really really touched me and i am thank you for for putting it down and sending it into us. Do you have any funnel thoughts before we get out here. Dana i think that is a good a good message to end on so no not today i can't top that either Much to your mom. Mary and everyone in november. Remember to vote as a gift to her until tomorrow. Please take care of yourselves. Take care of each other to care the planet and take care of your mental health. I've been alison. 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maricopa county arizona house oversight committee Sydney powell Gaetz donald trump Hobbs america san diego matt orange county marjorie taylor matt gaetz alison gill Dana goldberg dana florida congress house oversight commi north carolina cyber ninjas doug logan
The Reckoning (feat. Mary L. Trump)

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The Reckoning (feat. Mary L. Trump)

"The hello and welcome to the daily beans for monday. July nineteenth twenty one today. The house oversight committee has launched an investigation into arizona's fraud it as arizona downs. Call for the attorney general to investigate possible election interference by donald trump the judge in the crack and sanctions case orders. Lynnwood to explain why she shouldn't hold him in criminal contempt. Current and former police officers are charged in a new proud. Boys indictment for the insurrection and marjorie taylor. Green and matt gaetz are embarrassed in orange county. I'm alison gill. And i'm dana goldberg. Dana hello how are you. How was your weekend. He was good. I'm doing. I'm doing okay. Getting through the days. There's just so much crazy news you into you. Celebrate it some pride this weekend. Funding san diego yes. This week was san diego's pride kickoff. Today was the parade and the whole big celebration. So i was down in hillcrest with Good friends of mine celebrating. So i'm back now and in my quiet home but it was really really awesome. It was lovely. I love san diego's pride. I missed it of missed it. It's so so good. And yesterday. I got to talk to mary. Trump for like an hour and part of that nice is coming up later on in the show. We talk about her new book the reckoning our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal. We have a lot of news that we missed this weekend. Besides everything. I just told you some other cool headlines from the weekend include these illinois becomes the first state barring cops from lying while interrogating miners. I don't think they should be able to lie. While they interrogate. Anyone agreed to colorado lawyers are facing sanctions for filing a frivolous election lawsuit sanctions month guess and pennsylvania north carolina and oklahoma all reject private company. Third party audits like the ridiculous. Good crazy times carnival. That's happening in arizona so very good news. you know. We'll go over that a little bit more in depth later in the week but we do have the headlines. I gave you at the top of the show and we. Let's get to those. Let's at the hot notes. Hot notes right lead story today. The house oversight committee united states congress house oversight committee has launched an investigation into the arizona. Fraud it. They wrote a letter to the ceo of cyber. Ninjas doug logan saying quote we are writing to request information about cyber ninjas participation in an audit which is in quotes of nearly two point. One million ballots cast in maricopa county and the two thousand twenty election. We are concerned about your company's role in this highly unusual effort given cyber ninjas apparent lack of experience in conducting election-related audits reports that the company engaged in sloppy and insecure audit practices that compromise the integrity of ballots and voting equipment and were questioned by the us department of justice and evidence that you another individuals funding the audit have sought to advance the big lie in quotes of debunked voter fraud allegations in the november twenty twenty presidential election. Americans right to vote is protected by the constitution. And it's the cornerstone of our democratic system of government. The committee is seeking to determine whether the privately funded audit conducted by your company in arizona. Protects the right to vote or is instead an effort to promote baseless conspiracy theories undermine confidence in america's elections and reverse the result of a free and fair election for partisan gain. Do you think is. I mean what narrates invalid when they take the ballots and they take them to a cabinet in the middle of the woods. I mean happens all the time right. And let's take up montana. Be totally legit. The committee then discusses those three issues the lack of audit experience the sloppy procedures. And the big lie. Then they make the following demands for all these reasons they say the committee requested cyber ninjas produced the following documents by july twenty eighth. They don't have a lot of time here. Number one documents sufficient to show all and entities with direct or indirect ownership interests in control of cyber ninjas including but not limited to officers board members and shareholders number two documents sufficient to show all the previous clients to its cyber ninjas has provided consulting services related to election auto. That's probably gonna be a short list. Maybe not an existing number three all documents. Communications related to the engagement of cyber ninjas for the maricopa county audit including but not limited to the purpose of the engagement the scope of the work the role of the company and the role of other individuals or entities number four all documents communications related to payment or funding of the maricopa county audit including but not limited to the sources amounts terms and conditions of such funding and any fundraising efforts number five. I'll documents communications. Related to conducting the audit including but not limited to policies procedures audit plans strategy staffing personnel and security or integrity problems that arose during the audit and any interim or final audit findings. Findings please number six all documents and communications related to the following allegations that have reportedly been considered by you or your company in connection with the twenty two thousand presidential election and then they list all of these things all documents and communications related to formal and informal complaints related to the audit received by sovereign inches from any source including but not limited to federal state or county election officials cyber ninja employees or other individuals. I like that just sort of anyone. Number eight all instructions. Directions training materials or guidance. Cyber ninjas employs consultants agents volunteers are representatives received relating to the audit and nine for the period between november six twenty twenty and the present all communications evolving you or any cyber ninjas employees consultants ages volunteers representatives with former president donald trump and he trump administration official any formal or informal representative of trump's campaign legal team or political action committee any representatives of voices and votes fightback america project or any other funder of the maricopa county audit. Ready to on rudy giuliani. Or any of his agents or representatives. Sydney powell lynnwood tatra burn. That's the overstock ceo. Michael flynn and michael dell. They know something that we don't yet with the michael. Flynn thing they go on to say. The committee on oversight reform is the principal oversight committee of the house of representatives broad to investigate quote any matter at any time quote under house rule ten and donald trump key allies by the way could be facing a criminal investigation in arizona for all this bullshit. Last week arizona's secretary of state katie. Hobbs also gubernatorial candidate state's attorney general mark barnevik to urge him to launch a criminal investigation into trump over the potential violations of state election laws. Hobbs made the request after reporting from the arizona. Republic reveal details of the high pressure campaign launched by trump. hobbs wrote that trump and individuals including his personal lawyer rudy and Gop kelli ward and lawyer. Sydney powell tried to influence maricopa officials to stop counting member when we got that text messages. Yeah hob cited comments made by ward etcetera etcetera on friday. Attorney general bernie. Vich wrote back to hobbs. Saying will you give us your documents related to allegations of violations of election fraud. They're like we want all your stuff. Cool bro it's all the maricopa county website but whatevs you. Betcha albans certified. Thanks for asking my goodness okay. Well we're going to to the washington post so this is this is frustrating because when we say there's white supremacist everywhere. They are everywhere. A father and son who are current and former florida police officers and north carolina man has been charged with joining the alleged proud boys members in january six capital and that's according to a new five co defendant indictment unsealed in washington on friday so we have kevon tito is what he goes by tuck. He's fifty we've got nathaniel talk twenty nine and they're both of central florida. They were arrested and released on twenty five thousand dollars unsecured bond thursday by us magistrate judge in tampa and this is from the court records. Now we got edward george junior. He was also arrested thursday. He was scheduled to appear in federal court. Friday in raleigh. And that's according to those court records so the charges bring the number of off duty law enforcement officers off duty law enforcement officers charged in the capital mob at to at least twenty in the defendants ties to several central florida. Police agencies highlight the continued pressure on sheriffs and police chiefs nationwide to scrub their ranks of members with links to white supremacists and far right armed groups. This is a big deal. Unsealed nine count. Indictment dated july seventh charge. The chuck's father son team and george with obstructing joint session of congress that was meeting to confirm the twenty twenty election results trespassing and disorderly conduct now. They're not charged with conspiracy. Unlike some of the other prod boys at least not yet sued george was also charged with the sultan of police officers stealing government property entering the senate chamber with kevin tuck engaging in civil disorder with nathan. Tuck now thursday. Kevin tucker resigned the police department. Good a For for windermere an affluent bedroom community. Noor orlando whose residents include several high profile celebrities and professional athletes. So that's where he was. A police officer windermere in he retired and should have many many years ago. I in waiting for his twenty nine year old kid the other tito tuck to resign from north carolina. All right so. We've been following the michigan sanctions case against the elite strikeforce cracking assholes. We covered the hearing which did not go well for them and at the end of that hearing sydney powell took full responsibility for the entire suit because during the hearing all of the players were like this wasn't me i didn't have my name on it. I had nothing to do with it. Yeah whatever but at the end sydney powell was like this is all me. This is my suits all on me. Come after me. But then she went on a minutes long rant of election propaganda supporting the big lie now before the zoom call and this happens to any in in. You'll know this if you're a reporter you've logged into any of these court hearings. There's a huge warning. In bright red bold font. That says we've seen this before saying you cannot record this proceeding and you cannot make any part of public. Otherwise you'll be violating rule thirty eight and very important rule. So what did lynnwood do he did. He recorded it posted. He posted it he did. He posted to his nearly one million telegram followers. And that's what. He did the bulk of his posting. Was sydney powell's big lie rant now. A lawyer for the city of detroit immediately filed a motion to hold lynnwood in criminal contempt for the stunt. This is beyond the motion for sanctions. They're like hey. He violated this rule. This courtroom we File a motion to home in criminal contempt and within forty eight hours. The judge ordered lynnwood to file a brief explaining to her judge parker. Why she shouldn't hold him in criminal contempt for violating that role. She's like you have this much time to tell me why i shouldn't fuck and do this. So they're all fucked. I'll stay on this story for you as well. Adam class felt. If you're not already following him you should follow him on twitter because he will give you all the updates as they happen. He's they're usually either on. The calls are in the courtroom. So he's a good follow on twitter to keep abreast. It is really unbelievable. How bad these right wing lawyers are at the following. The fucking law like it is really unbelievable. How bad they are. It is what they do for a living. It's really really bad. You have a gift for me. Do you give for meals. And i do. I have a present for you and it's today's schadenfreude. Thank you my friend okay. After three separate attempts to hold on america first rally were cancelled by southland. Venues organizers held an impromptu rally outside riverside hall saturday and ridiculous. Fucking video by matt. Gaetz was posted on twitter. Congress members gates and march green. Calling her marge. 'cause she that's all respect she should get were forced to downsize. To a small protest in riverside are now threatening a lawsuit over the cancellation. So the events center was the third venue to cancel on organizers. Anaheim officials say they express safety concerns with the private venue and the operator shared those concerns. Event was also cancelled previous venues in laguna hills and riverside alison. I think it might have gotten cancelled an anaheim because it was too close to disneyland and there's teenage girls in the park that would be my guest for matt. Gaetz can't gates and green. They both spoke a short time each at the impromptu riverside event. You know what's really funny to you. Make you make the anaheim disneyland joke right but i mean what's interesting is something that was in this article that i cut out was because the city of anaheim said you know we're concerned about what was going to happen at those rallies and what was going to be said that could be considered a first amendment violation and somebody said hey. Are you going to treat the girl scouts the same way and my first thought was. Yeah keep the girl scouts. Far fucking away from you know shit. Last thing i want to see is a then mo memo that just says cookies ooh The story goes on. This is a quote. They may try shit this they may try. Shut down our venues but we will take this fight to them in the courts and the halls of congress and if necessary in the streets which is exactly where he had to do this little impromptu protests now hinting lawsuit over the cancellation screening gates stirred the crowd up and then they left. Supporters protested were gathered on opposite side of the street now. The rally was initially planned for the pacific hills banquet and event center in laguna hills but daca canceled their. Because we just want to stay clear of that is what the general manager told the orange county register. We just want to steer clear. Just want to say clear that we don't wanna get involved met shit. It was then shifted to the riverside convention center but officials with the rain cross hospitality corporation which manages operates. The city owns center under contract with the city. They told officials friday night. The event would not take place now. According to reports there were about one hundred people about one hundred people were there and which is which is tough there already fifty people there for another event which is really interesting. Who knows what they were going to see at the time. The videos ridiculous. They didn't take questions and as they were leaving. They were being booed by the crowd. God i also don't know why they're doing america first rallying california when they're fucking legislatures in florida and georgia go home and do you're damn job. I know yeah. They probably don't want to face their own constituents but if this if they drew all one hundred of those people data that is one fourth of the largest crowd molar she wrote drew went on tour. Podcast i just wanna say like every time we charted higher than hannity i had a i did a little dance in my head and now it's like you can't even get one hundred people out to i mean. When was the last time you did a comedy show and only one hundred people. Were there seriously. A bunch of comedians on twitter were like dude. My merch line is longer than that. I wish people could understand like anyone who's performed in any in front of any kind of crowd in any capacity would-be like. Hey if if you do show on the main stage at the comedy store on a saturday night that's five hundred people. We get your in new york. When i prefer new york at the duplex upstairs. It holds one hundred in a very small little room. Yeah that is a pathetic crowd on the streets of riverside. Yeah for like big name congresspeople. Well let's also orange county's all always sort of been we call it being behind the orange curtain it was always republican but we flip the shit out of it in two thousand eighteen. We flip the whole county blizzard and and so I'm not. I'm not super surprised. All right everybody. We're gonna be right back with mary. Trump her second book is now available for preorder. It drops august seventeenth but you can pre-order it. 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Done how self-defeating is that you're anxious to get yourself cared. It does seem counterproductive. But i did it. And that's what matters de so. I wanted to talk to you today about this new book which is available now everywhere. You get your books. And i highly recommend number one new release and i wanted to talk about. What prompted you to write it because you know you had such screaming. Success with too much never enough. We learned so much from that book. But i know you. And i've had conversations about you. Know what now and so. I was wondering if that sort of what sort of motivated you to go onto another book. First of all great to be back. I think i've spoken with you for well on the daily beads. You've been writing a book. I been writing a book. Yeah it was quite something And also i didn't have a lot of time in which to do it. I think i started in december which is insane and finished at the end of april. So the difference between this book and the first one there a lot of differences. But it had this one was much more research driven as opposed to experiential so that was pretty time consuming as well but would prompted me to write it There a couple of things. First of all i got the idea for it back. In september october twenty twenty and the election was still looming and it had become clear that kobe was not ending. And that if donald had managed to steal his way into the oval office for another four years. It probably never. Would you know but more than that. So you know. That was obviously stressful. Worrying about what was gonna happen either way. No matter who got into the white house it was gonna be bad. And what. I was focused on time was What's going to happen when this is ever over when people start emerging from covert isolation What what is going to be going on with the state of people's mental health in this country so that was the starting point. And i felt like you know because the first book i had a platform and it was really important to me to use it in a way that would Help right I was really grateful that even in you know october november of last year people still seem to be interested in getting my take on things and i didn't wanna squander that so if he gets somewhat i thought of maybe writing another memoir. But that's not that's not useful. Now you know we're dealing with what will be the greatest mental health crisis. I think this country's ever seen were not prepared for it. my fabulous uncle has managed to polarize this country. A way it's never been. I don't think since The civil war and the divisiveness among us is pretty terrified. So we're all going to be regardless of what barney belong to. We're all going to be suffering and now we see where that division is of us right. We're gonna we're. We're gonna be going back and lockdown any week. Now i'm guessing so sh- that's where i started with a and then with all the other stuff by the one that's great but then things like january. Six insurrection happen. Like you know what i need to take a step back. I cannot write three hundred. Thirty million separate treatment plants. There's really no useful way to talk about mental health in that context. 'cause it's it's so complicated so individual so i thought instead you know what let. Let's figure out how we got here. And i not that this is. This is a unique operation. But i realize the extent to which two things were largely responsible for where we are the first from this country's its inception. We're at least going back to rob really. We've never held a powerful whiteman accountable Which is paved the way for donald. And we have continued to embrace white supremacy. White supremacy is essentially a platform of one of our two major political parties at this point and by pretending that that's something that's in the past we just keep perpetuating the various serious problems that we've been facing and never dealt with you know i would say that we have not only have. We never acknowledged asari atoned for the racism in the pharmacy. we've net. We barely acknowledged it. You know and So those things. I think pave the way four autocratic incompetent people like donald to get as far his s. He's gotten an additional. And i honestly i think that the pandemic still hasn't ended for the unvaccinated who who i imagine are largely donald supporters. Because you know we're seeing that the statistics Ninety nine point three percent of hospitalized people for covert or unvaccinated. But a lot of the folks. I've talked to who you know when we were opening up. And you know like you said we're we headed for another lockdown. Probably but you know as we're opening up cd was saying you don't have to wear masks indoors anymore. If you're vaccinated go travel do the thing. A lot of folks were very hesitant. And i don't think that we were given any time to process that trauma or to even grieve the six hundred thousand plus people that we've lost as a country you know. I remember being given space and time to grieve. Nine eleven for example. We were given that public space in that public time. And i don't feel like we've had that opportunity. And i think a lot of people are suffering because of it. Well you know. How do you heal from trauma while you're actively being traumatized you know thought writing the buck. It's it's impossible and you're right because of how this has unfolded. There has been no space because the problems that stopped on the one hand and secondly even now it's being very very poorly handled The fact that new york. For example. Where i live which was like a nightmarish. Hell scape slightly more than a year ago. And i'm not exaggerating. It was terrifying to be here. Just opened up. You know so on the one hand. I think it's wildly irresponsible just from a health standpoint you know a a covert standpoint but you know there is no easing back in like you're saying so how do you go from. I haven't seen another human being the ear and a half to. Oh my god like everybody's Now everybody's on the subway. I mean luckily in new york well. That's changed a little bit but initially most people still wear masks. People still do on public transportation. Which is great. But i'm guessing that's the case in the rest of the world but it's it's really stabilizing especially for people you know who have social anxiety to begin with even for people. Who didn't you know because we don't know how people are gonna react. We've got people who would describe themselves as is extroverts who were terrified to be around or introverts were desecrated for for being in the physical presence of other people. We're going to be looking at enormous amounts of ptsd depression and substance addiction and and a physical health problems because everybody's been so sedentary eating about drinking etc etc. So you know when. I think by opening back up the way we have which was quite disappointing considering. I thought you know this well. This administration is infinitely superior and preferable. However i really thought that the people in the administration who handle these would be better at it and it was pretty disappointing because let look where we are now. Vis-a-vis kovin but chew it's just another stressor. You know you. You talked earlier about being under all the stress to go. Get your cell scared. And it's kinda like that. Yeah and i mean you add out on top of an already existing shortage of mental health care in in this country. People going into this with with issues already let alone coming out with new ones. But you know you said extroverts. Who don't want to be around people. That's me like the first couple months of of lockdown. I was going i was. It was so hard. Because i was alone by myself. And that's it and i'm a totally extroverted person. Surive off of physical human interaction and lots of it and then now you know. I'm invited to go somewhere and i'd rather not. Because it drains me of of energy i feel like i got into a rhythm where i knew how to self soothe and energize myself as an alone person and now it's too much. Yeah and here. There's no way to know right until until you get into those situations and that's part of the problem for people who haven't experienced these things before. I mean obviously none of us has experienced a pandemic in a lock down and you know a living in a government determined to kill as many of us as possible especially for democrats on people of color bud and obviously i'm talking about the last administration not this one. But it's the it's the unexpectedness it's not knowing what's going to happen. I have complex ptsd. I've had had it for very long time. I know you have. Eds so like. i know obviously. It's not because of coven. It long predates kovin. So i i know what to look for a not necessarily saying that i can do anything about it but like i know one on dissociating and that's some comfort rate like i know when a really bad anxiety attack is coming on and i can most of the time diffuse dad but if you've never experienced that before he you know that it also is going to add to the stress and the terror and think about how sustained it's it's been The levels of fear and anxiety even if they don't result in you know it diagnosed psychiatric disorder. It's going it. It's taken a toll one way or another. Yeah yeah and like you said. I've been living with the p. T. s. for a couple of decades. I'm i'm pretty good at recognizing when i'm having a panic attack when i'm dissociating. When and calling it out doing the evidentiary thing in my head where i left off the evidence to try to talk myself out of irrational thoughts et cetera. But people who are new to that it. It has to be extremely disorienting. I've talked to so many people who are like the weirdest thing happened to me. The other day. I got really dizzy. My vision narrowed. I had to sit down and my heart was racing. What is that. am i in menopause. Like that sounds like it to me. Sounds like a panic attack. Why but i don't have any panic disorders. You know and it's like well you know we've been hit with this fire. Hose of asshole ary next nonstop for four years. So it's it you like you said it has to take toll. Have to take a quick break but i want to continue this conversation. We stay with me absolutely thanks. Everybody will be right back. He everybody it's ag from the beans recently. I made the investment to upgrade my mattress to get a better sleep by also quickly realized i needed to put just as much thought and care into the sheets that i'm sleeping on night after night. I did the research and for the cream of the crop. It's boll and branch. Bollandbranch knows high quality. Sleep doesn't stop at your mattress. 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I remember when i was getting ready to flee from a an abusive relationship and right before that happened. The abuser went into the hospital for three weeks almost a month and over those weeks i was like. Hey it's really nice here right now. I can bring my cat in doors. I wasn't supposed to do that. I can use a gray towel instead of a white towel. I can go and see my friends and have lunch without birth having to draw a map and check in and so you you start realizing that but at the same time it felt but it was also very terrifying and i that was inexplicable to me but i imagine some sort of the same things apply here. Yeah and it's all still unfolding against this backdrop of very disturbing political instability. You know we. We've been so betrayed and we're so tired and it's it's it's incredibly destabilizing and disheartening and praying and although things to realize that it's not over we can't let our guard down and how how do you negotiate all of those things at the same time and i'm not sure you can because it's all it makes it even harder to draw the line. Okay what is what is what is a reaction to what's really going on the world and what is the the knock on effect of the isolation and the stress because of coveted and what is legitimate psychiatric or psychological problem or physical problem. You know so. We're still in this really amorphous. What's the word. I'm looking for Society your whatever i mean. Our lives are still really amorphous. Sorry to be so eloquent but because nothing settled in you know that was one of When again when. I was first writing. The book proposal was in october. So is before the election and it was sort of a writer own adventure and you know i needed to make it clear to a perspective publisher that i had a good idea either way but the truth of the matter is if joe biden of laws lost. Ibm tahiti. or something. And i i remember you. And i have a discussion early on when this was still when we were still in the middle of it and how devastating it was to our psyches to have such an uncertain future because you brought up uncertainty not to be able to make plans not to be able to sink. Look forward anything. We had nothing little literally zero to look forward to and you know. I think that that kind of in combination really sort of just adds to the you know the. It's like a snowball effect. You know but you know this book also talks about how you know that. Trust relationship whether you have it with another individual or whether you have it with the institutions that govern your country how we have to heal in order to build that trust back that we have with these institutions that we've relied on for so long. Well yeah it's a terrible problem not to have faith in things you've always had faith and one of the worst things about the lasts for five. Years is the ease with which that instability became was injected into the system Which again though leads us should us to believe that it's been going on for very long time but a lot of us have the luxury of not having attention and that's another that's another aspect of this that i'm pretty sure most black americans under have understood this forever so i think it. It gives us an opportunity to recognize that but it also gives us a chance to We we imagined. I don't think rebuilding is can't rebuild something. That's that's if the foundation is essentially sand and swamp. So because in why do we want to rebuild that anyway. We want to rebuild this incredibly unjust society We want to rebuild something that doesn't work for a huge minority of us or do we want to start over and say listen The american experiment is great. But it's never been realized this is this is never been a democracy so maybe we should start there. Yeah i agree. Pulled a political ease of doing that aside. An you know considering everyone who's gonna make it as difficult as possible to do that. Because the you know the white men white supremacists they want that status quo. They're they're terrified of the quote unquote great replacement. It was the number one motivator for for the insurrection and charlottesville and for all these You know militant extremist white supremacist groups out there. And so it's it's gonna be it's gonna be tough road and in this new book. Do you start to address how we can do that. Yeah but i'm gonna keep that a surprised. no yeah. let's not. Let's not give that away just so that you know that's in the book. Everyone that you need to get to everyone you know. It's the most vague sense. What i'd say is we've got to stop bullying budgets Yes i concur. Well thank you so much for spending time with me today and talking about this. And i want everybody to to to go and get your copy of the reckoning. Our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal mary trump's her second book here. The first one too much never enough. You're very familiar with. I think we've just wrapped up the public playing of our of our book series which we we actually wrapped last october. Which was right. Around the time you were deciding to penn this new book and so i'm so glad you did and you're right dude fast track. Well done because. I started my book and march of last year. And i don't even have a proposed already on this thing. That's that's really that's more what it's usually like. I think from bribing the proposal to publication. i mean sorry to the final draft. My first book took almost two years. And i do not recommend it to anybody of i'm still recovering. Yeah i was gonna ask. I know not to ask how you are. But i kind of like genuinely want to know if if you're if you're recovering from from your from your adventure of completing a book in the fastest time possible. Yes yes i am but you know it said save amorphous and i recovered and my recovered govett it and my workup for the fact that like an idiot i decided to move like a month. Finish the book. I landed in a pretty cool place. That so i'm not complaining. Yes yes you did. And why don't you just add on top of. Hey you know what this isn't enough. Let's move as well. I hope sebastien. And the whole brood is settling in. And i'm glad to see that this book is out and ready to go and i'm looking forward to reading it. I haven't read it yet. 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You wanna suggest you do that by going to daily beans pod dot com and clicking on contact. I'm gonna go ahead and kick us off with a submission from hell. Let's do it h. e. l. pronouns. She and her hello ladies. My husband turned me onto your podcast during the dark corentin days. My commute is long and my brain needs food. You do amazing analytical work in you. I think if you're find the cat segment may be mislabeled. The feline function is called keto flaged. Our kitties do it. With varying degrees of success below see examples provided by over nick a varying varying degrees of camouflage lovie is our old man the alpha menagerie. He's in charge of keeping in line or hiding from two dogs and a kitten turned eighteen. Pound menace adopted by one of said dogs and a lizard. None of these photos probably rank above eight on a ten point scale for invisibility. But he tries hard. Look at the kitty sitting. Next to toothless from disney's how to train your dragon like you can't see me look. 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She struggled through the best she could but it did take its toll on her emotionally so this trip was like a breath of fresh air to her bruised and battered psyche. I don't even know how they did it. Ag honestly and we were able to spend some lovely bonding time together and create some fun memories. I have no idea why haven't thought to do this before. But i suspect. I will play more in the future. Highly recommend to everyone anyway. I guess it's kinda sorta a good news submission but feels more like a quote moment of gratitude. And i feel like screaming at the top of my voice just because mission. No pets of my own for pod. Tax family keeps me more than busy. But i am submitting the picks of some adorable cuties available at the silicone valley humane society. Oh and picture of my latest creative endeavor levy ladies and has clearly been painting rocks in. They're actually quite beautiful very sweet and oh there's three cats you can see that are up for adoption beautiful. Layla and piper look just like boobs by the way and then there's alice oh my god they're so adorable and those will be in the show notes. You can adopt them if you're in the silicon valley area and i love the rock painting my god daughter and her mom my best friend paint rocks and then just leave him in people's yards since so rod. No my goodness. I love these. Oh my gosh. Asylum is a human rights. Immigrants are welcome. Water is life. I love these sciences fact. Oh these are good. Love is love justice for everyone. Black lives matter in this house. We believe and we believe is in rainbow colours. I love it so much. God and i'm looking at this photo and dying inside from the cuteness okay. from mk. from atlanta pronounced. She and her high. I've been listening to the pods. Since the beginning of moshi she wrote. Here's a pod. Pet with holiday. Cheer no need to guess. The breed jackson's the cutest most misbehaved loving dog. I've ever had thanks for everything you ladies do. 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Show for me. The worst of it was that we lost my mom in july of that year. I'm i'm writing to you on the one year anniversary of her passing. My mom worked for the arizona department of insurance and ran the health policy division for a while she did. Many great things advocating for people who weren't being treated fairly by insurance companies and she helped punish and regulate those companies. I didn't learn this until after her passing but she was one of the people who worked to have all newborns automatically covered on their parents insurance for ninety days from birth before that any children born with disease or defect would forever have a pre existing condition. Oh wow thanks to my mom and others that changed. Despite being eighty and born and raised in conservative arizona mom was a liberal lion and taught us well. She was a proud supporter of planned. Parenthood and took me to register to vote the day after my eighteenth birthday. I'm in love with her on her last day. Not really being able to get out of bed and feeling very weak. Mom asked for her mail in ballot and made her choices for our primary election. We mailed her ballot that day and she was gone the next morning two months later when. Rgb passed. i sent my brother a single word. Text fuck he wrote back. At least mom didn't have to see this. Mom was a huge fan of rgb. And even captain rgb finger puppet around the house that she could chat with her from time to time. When we later recounted this exchange to my mom's closest family member and friends she replied to our comment about mom not having to see it with no. She was there to meet her cheeses. I'm not a big believer in a concrete notion of the afterlife. But that thought makes me happy because i know they would get along and it refrains what is tragic. And what is good an attempt to do the same and actually make this a good news submission. Yeah with the fog. Here's what's good about all this. She was my mom. She was my mom and she changed the world by thinking about other people and how they were treated unfairly and what we could do to change that. She was an amazing grandma to my son and he got to spend enough time with her that he will always remember. Come twenty twenty two every last person. Better get out and vote if mom could do it on her. Last day and help flip arizona. Then everybody can please. Everyone honor her memory every year and vote. Her birthday was in november. So every time you vote. Consider it a gift for mary my mom. I thought i was going to keep it together until end. Tim thank you so much for that submission. I'm so so sorry you ostrich. She sounds like she was absolutely incredible and obviously raised a very good human. Oh my god all right to call my mom. I spoke with mine earlier today. I needed it to goodness who everyone right now. I mean seriously. If your mom is still alive she someone you talked to. And she's passed on. Just give a call telling you love her dad's to uk my friend some okay and if you have anything you want to submit to us if you have any stories pleased on them in by going to daily beans pod dot com clicking on contact and if you'd like to become a patron three bucks a month that gives you access to all of my shows all the shows that we do you can do that in the same place. Daily beans pod dot com. Click on contact. Tim thank you so much for that. Incredible submission and much to you and your family and to your mom. She sounds like an amazing person. I remember when my mom took me as as a kid. Whenever time she would vote she would take to the polls remember. I used to be like these wooden boxes with like cloth curtains that you'd have like and now we just have sort of these cardboard stands in my cheap but I i really. that's a mission really really touched me and i am. Thank you for putting it down and sending it into us. Do you have any final thoughts before we get out of here. I think that is a good a good message to end on so no not today. I can't top that either Much love to your mom. Mary and everyone in november. Remember to vote as a gift to her until tomorrow. Please take care of yourselves. Take care of each other to care the planet and take care of your mental health. I've been alison. Gill and i've been dana goldberg. And them's the beans. The daily beans is written and executive produced by alison gill with additional research and reporting by dana. Goldberg and aimee. Carrero sound design. Editing is by desharnais mcfarland with art and web design joel reader with moxy design studios music for the beans as written and performed by they might be giants and the show is a proud member of the msw media network. A collection of creator owned podcasts dedicated to news politics. Injustice for more information please visit. Msw media dot com.

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Weakly vaccinated regions of U.S. see new jump in Covid cases

"The show weeknights at nine eastern on. Msnbc the letter is dated. Today went out today. Went out under the letter. The oversight committee in the house of representatives and it addressed to the ceo of a cyber ninjas man named doug logan the oversight committee in congress has now sent this letter they send it to a rented mailbox at a ups store in sarasota florida. Because that's the company's official address you make do with what you have got to send it somewhere. It starts quote dear mr logan. We are writing to request information about safer. Ninjas participation in a quote audit. They've put the word audit in quotes an audit of nearly two point. One million ballots cast in arizona in the twenty twenty election. We are concerned about your company's role in this highly unusual effort given cybernetic apparent lack of experience in conducting election related audits reports that the company engaged in sloppy an insecure audit practices that compromise the integrity of ballots and voting equipment and were questioned by the us justice department and evidence that you and other individuals funding the audit have sought to advance the big lie of debunked voter fraud allegations about the twenty twenty presidential election. Americans right to vote is protected by the constitution. It is the cornerstone of our democratic system of government. The committee seeks to determine whether the privately funded audit conducted by your company in arizona. Protects the right to vote or is instead an effort to promote baseless conspiracy theories undermine confidence in america's elections and reverse the results of a free and fair election for partisan game. What you really mean the So-called audit in arizona in which the republicans in the state legislature hired this group cyber ninjas which appears to be just this guy doug To do some kind of operation on the ballots and voting machines from the largest county in arizona. It's live for months. Now at this intersection of clown show ridiculousness and actual consequential threat to american democracy. Because the whole thing is aimed at essentially undoing the presidential election result in use state and thereby undermining americans faith in the credibility and indeed the finality of our election results. But now based on this letter released by the oversight committee tonight sent to that ups store in florida. We know this fake audit is the subject of a new congressional investigation. The oversight committee wants to know about all the weird stuff that doug logan has been doing to the arizona ballots like shining ultraviolet light on them searching for bamboo content in the in the ballots because of some conspiracy theory that fake ballots had been flown in from asia and obviously asian ballots would be made from bamboo. Also they want to know about cyber ninja. Ceo doug logan and his own social media posts about the election about it being rigged against donald trump. how trump must have gotten two hundred thousand more votes in arizona than was officially reported and want to know about the report doug logan wrote about the voting machine. Company dominion alleging that its machines rigged the election. Four joe biden on behalf of dead hugo chavez in venezuela or maybe it was actually china. It's kinda hard to follow the letter from. The oversight committee concludes quote for all of these reasons the committee requests that cyber ninjas produced the following documents by july twenty eighth and then include this comprehensive list of documents and communications they want cyber ninjas funding sources. Its procedures for conducting this. Whatever it is they're doing and arizona Documents and communications about the various conspiracy theories fueling their work like they put it in their bamboo laced. Ballots smuggled in from asian countries watermarks placed on the ballot that are visible with uv. Lights yet need documentation about the bamboo. Jimmy documentation about why your magic watermarks. Only work with uv. Light when everybody else's watermarks just work when you hold them up and of course part of the point of an investigation like this from the oversight committee in congress is just to gather evidence to investigate and report on what's going down in arizona. The american people can understand it. If there are laws being broken in arizona as the justice department hinted that in the letter they sent to the arizona. Senate republicans earlier this year. Well if the committee finds evidence that laws are being broken can make referrals to the justice department but of course another goal of a congressional investigation is to determine whether there is congressional action that needs to be taken. The committee ends. Its letter tonight with this quote. The committee is particularly concerned that your company's actions could undermine the integrity of federal elections and interfere with americans constitutional right to cast their ballot freely and to have their votes counted without partisan interference. The committee intends to study the need for legislative reforms to ensure the rightist protected before during and after election and that third parties. Do not interfere with this right. Tell me more of course when it comes to protecting voting rights and the integrity of elections before during and after the election there is already very substantive legislation pending in the congress. The question is not what the legislation should be your whether it's needed right now. Frankly the practical question is whether the democrats in the united states senate are going to get it together to pass their voting rights legislation or not republicans are not going to support democrats could do it alone if they can get it together to do so. President biden gave that full-throated double barrelled speech yesterday on the need to act to protect voting rights. The need for the senate to act to pass the for. The people act passed the john. Lewis voting rights advancement act. He didn't make any mention of the thing that is standing in the way of democrats passing those bills. Which is the senate filibuster rule which has been used by republicans to block park us on that and everything else even though they're not in the majority in the senate republicans have blocked the for the people like once already using the filibuster. They will keep doing it as long as they can. Unless the democrats in the senate all of them agreed to change the filibuster rules. So that you can't use the filibuster on voting rights anymore. They could make that sort of a change but until they do that. These voting rights bills are going nowhere. President biden did head up to capitol hill to meet with democratic senators today It's not clear whether biden's big speech or his meeting with democratic senators today Translated into any sort of active furtherance any further discussion with them today. About actually getting those bills passed according to at least one senator in the room. They didn't talk about the filibuster rules. Today's meeting what they did seem to be working on and in fact celebrating today. Is this latest move toward actually getting a bill done on the on the issue of infrastructure. You've seen lots of headlines about this late last night and today what does this mean in the grand scheme of things. How close is this latest apparent breakthrough to there being a real piece of legislation. That actually gets passed. That ultimately ended up changing americans lives right that remains to be seen. There've been a lot of what felt like breakthrough moments on infrastructure. We're definitely still not there. But the democrats have basically agreed on now Sort of a working bill that they agree or agree on amongst themselves and if they agree on it amongst themselves to the extent that that agreement encompasses all fifty democratic us senators. They may be able to pass that on their own without republican votes at all so i mean potentially this could be it. But there's still many hurdles and water features left in this particular steeplechase and of course that's separate and in a separate from and in addition to the bipartisan infrastructure. Bill much smaller bill. That's still being endlessly negotiated between son republican senators and some democratic senators in the senate. We have yet to see if anything actually comes of those negotiations. I'm not holding my breath but the democrats only bill. They can use a budget technique to pass that with zero republican votes in the senate as long as all fifty democratic senators can hang together and they do have at least a framework agreement to do that to the tune of three point five trillion dollars. Progressives are pretty excited today about the top lines of of this proposed bill the deal that democratic leadership announced late last night includes big changes big policy advancements that would have a big material impact on millions of americans lives things like a what's called a clean energy standard that requires utilities to sharply increase. The proportion of energy they generate that comes from things like solar and wind. It would expand medicare so that medicare would start to cover dental and vision and hearing which would be huge for the tens of millions of americans on medicare it would get health insurance to an additional two million americans by expanding medicaid even in republican states that refused to expand it themselves. It would fund universal pre k for all american kids and affordable childcare coast to coast. It would provide two years of free community college to anybody who wanted it big stuff that would have a big impact on lots of american families and at the very moment that this plan is coming together happening tomorrow is that millions of americans who have kids are about to start getting checks or direct deposits in their bank account from the federal government and this is part of the cova relief. Bill that democrats passed in march With zero republican votes zero republicans for this unified republican opposition. Democrats were able to do it without any republican support and it's now going to pay off literally four millions and millions of american families with children. These are direct payments. It's two hundred fifty dollars per month per child three hundred dollars per month per child if your kid is under the age of six and this is the first payments are due to start arriving in americans bank accounts tomorrow but then it will go on for month after month an estimated nine out of ten children in the us eligible for these payments experts. Think the program could cut child. Poverty in america in half in one fell swoop among seventy million kids in america. Nearly nine in ten will qualify for this monthly payment families who qualify have started receiving a letter explaining the payments. And how they worked. The letter is signed by president biden lest you forget who made these payments happen so those those payments go out tomorrow. All of this stuff is in motion. All at once with the senate and session stuff's going to move it sort of got to move now and so it's been very busy in washington also a very busy day at the white house today today. We got a big announcement from the white house that we have been waiting for for some time. It answers a lot of questions. It raises a lot of questions to president biden as you know has promised to pull all. Us troops out of afghanistan by next month. Almost all of them are gone already. You were also probably aware that. There is the further issue beyond us troops of us allies in afghanistan thousands of afghan citizens who worked as translators and interpreters for us forces during the war translators and interpreters who are still in afghanistan now and his lives are at grave risk. Because you forces leave. They of course are targets for the taliban specifically because they helped american forces. those translators are eligible to get special visas that would allow them to start new lives in the united states the country for which they sacrificed so much the country that promise to keep them safe if they provided that help and the country that now owes them the chance to start a new here because of what they did for our soldiers that said the us immigration system being what it is The process for getting all the way through the visa process can take a very very long time and even though the biden administration has sped it up since they have been in office still. It's time that those. Us allies don't have as the taliban takes over more and more and more of afghanistan. As the risk gets more and more grave and present in the past the us has successfully been able to help allies and refugees from previous wars by evacuating them out of their home countries and taking them to an interim location third location while they wait for approval to come to the united states. The territory of guam for instance has a long history of operating. Is that kind of temporary home for people. We need to evacuate for their own safety. The current governor of guam has said she is ready to open the doors there and do that same thing for these afghan translator she gave us impassioned impassioned remarks here on the show just the other night explaining how the people wom stand ready and it's the right thing to do for these people who helped our country we have been waiting for the white house and the military the administration more broadly to announce what the plan is to get these translators out because time is so short today we finally got a substantive announcement from the white house about that. This is from a senior white house. Official quote at president biden's direction. The united states is opera is a launching operation allies refuge to support relocation flights for interested and eligible afghan nationals and their families who supported the us on our partners in afghanistan and are in the to get special visas to come to the us slights out of afghanistan for those allies. Were already in. The pipeline will begin the last week of this month the last week of july for operational security. We won't have additional details on when flights depart but we will meet president biden's commitment to begin flights this month. The white house also announced the name of the person who is leading this effort of the state department. It's ambassador tracey jacobson. And she's a three-time chief of mission and tajijistan turkmenistan in kosovo. She's apparently leading an effort with a along with representatives from the defense department and the department of homeland security to get this done. So that's also something. There's a plan. There's an official operation to get these translators to safety there. Someone in charge of that plan. Who were allowed to know the name of and all of those details in the announcement and give us more information that we had before. But you know there's still a lot left out and as they say it's understandable that some of these details are left out on purpose for operational security but the basics. Still sort of loom as unanswered questions. Where are these translators going to go. Once they leave afghanistan earlier this month reuters reported. The administration was considering sending these translators to three central asian countries so nearby to afghanistan. They mentioned khazakstan as you. Stan was becca stan. The fact that the person leading this effort at the state department is a former chief of mission to zeke. Stane suggests that may in fact be the plan. Maybe a pentagon spokesman said today in a press conference that the us is also looking at that. The us has look looking at using locations abroad But when asked for clarification later by a reporter who asked specifically whether the us was considering any locations within the continental united states to bring the translators the pentagon spokesman kirby said this possibility of us military installations being used. is that be considered. I would say we're looking at all options bob. All options are being considered that would include the potential for for For short term use of space. Us installations but no final decisions. Made right now. All options are being considered bob so They may be headed to another country. They may be headed to military installations in the continental united states. Some combination of the to the question of us territories like for example guam. Still out there. In addition to the question of where they're going. There's the question of how get they're. The only flights out of afghanistan right now are out of the capital city of kabul but afghanistan is a big country and internal travel is not that easy. This is interesting today. The association of wartime allies which has worked very hard on this issue to the translators out. They put out a report that says nearly half of the us allies these afghan translators and interpreters. Nearly half of them who are still in afghanistan. Right now live in areas outside of kabul which raises the question of how they get to kabul to get on one of these. Flights could have to pass through taliban-controlled checkpoints in taliban-controlled areas in order to get there. Is there also a plan for getting those allies to safety. If that requires internal travel within afghanistan to get to these military or otherwise. Us airlift flights out of kabul. Is that going to happen. Are people who are not in kabul expected to get themselves. They're on their own. Also who's eligible for this half gang. Translators is this operation gonna try and save the statement from the white house. Today is careful to point out that this operation is focused on people who are already in the pipeline terms of being approved to come to the us for the past few weeks. The us embassy in afghanistan was closed altogether because of a covid outbreak. Which means they haven't been open for anyone in that country who wanted to apply for that visa. The us ambassador afghantistan just an ounce. This week they were reopening the embassy just this week specifically for. Us allies want to apply for the special visas to get out and come to. The us will people who were only able to start applying this week and in the coming days. Be part of this operation. Like i said. There's a lot of questions still to be answered and in terms of saving lives and doing what is our moral responsibility here. All the devils are in all of the details joining us. Now somebody who's been working on this issue and watching it very very closely. Major matt zeller the us army veteran. He's co founder of the group. No one left behind which advocates for bringing afghan interpreters safely to the us majors. Good to see you. Thank you for coming back on the show. Let me just ask you to update me. Let me ask you if. I missed anything if i've summarized what we know as of today as you understand it. I e e hit all the points Very very well. I would only add the following which is why didn't we do this before we withdrew our forces. We have made it so much harder on ourselves by trying to do it now at the eleventh hour four months ago we had all the assets in place to evacuate people in the areas that you're talking about last night i was interviewing a gentleman for our podcast wartime allies by the name of sharieff. We spoken with him in a previous episode. This gentleman has suffered everything his mom dad and siblings have all been murdered by the taliban at some point in the last decade is now down to him and his wife and his kids he'd fled from cancer. Heart akaba when he realized that he had left all his documents back in. Canada are now the reason why he pled was 'cause they taliban two weeks ago murdered his dad at his doorstep and they just ran out of the house so a couple of days ago he did the impossible. He flew back to canada art by bombing. A ride on an afghan military transport. Which is the only flights flying in the country. He gets into canada heart. He gets back to his house. he gets his documents. He's under friends motorcycle yesterday. Trying to drive to the airport and cantu are when the afghan military gets attacked by the taliban on the road that connects the airport to the city. The afghan military gets over. Want running killed the taliban then turn on him. He flees on motorbike. They shoot him off the motorbike he gets injured and he's calling me from a friend's house telling me that at this point his only option was to hide in disguise himself like woman hiding a burqa and hire taxi and attempt to drive from canada. Heart back to kabul. Which you know. There's got to be what thirty taliban checkpoints at this point between kindergarten. Kabul this guy had been in an interpreter for steal the seals for the army special forces at the most elite levels. He is absolutely a dead man if they catch him and he has already had his visa denied once in the past because somewhere in his file. It says that he has some derogatory information that he's never been allowed to see he can't contest and he has no means of being able to effectively deal gates so again this we have no idea. Is this guy going to be put on a plane. If he somehow mixed back to kabul. Why didn't we pull these people out at the time when we had the means to do it rachel. That's the thing that. I keep asking myself about this now that we are or the. Us government says that they are trying to do this as you say very late in the process with many fewer assets on the ground with the danger that much more heightened with the passage of time the way they talked about doing it today what they said about the structure by which they're trying to do it. How would you have them improve it. How would you Given that it's happening now. Even they say it should have happened before. What else would you have them do that. They didn't announce. Today i would first off tell people where exactly are folks going right. You know people. Why aren't they just bringing everybody to guam is beyond me i get. There's some turn that they don't want to have various people somehow ended up in the united states. We couldn't deport them. But you know the end of the vietnam war. We didn't screen anybody. We just put them on. Boats put one hundred and three thousand people on boats and we brought them to guam because it seems to be at least back then we had some type of moral content and character that were lacking now. We have all the same legal authorities to do that which we did then now but we don't seem to be wanting to exercise the other thing. I would be really concerned about is. How are we going to communicate this message to the afghans without inciting panic. You know the white house seems to keep saying that they don't wanna see something similar to saigon. Well how are you going to communicate that to afghans because right now all you've done is inside panicked that nobody knows where in the process they qualify you. You've raised it so well. If you just apply for visa this week you're going to get on a plane or is it at some point later right now. I had an individual. Who wrote me from helmand. I don't even know if this person is still alive at this point but couple of weeks ago. They wrote me and they said hey. I've i've been serving for an interpreter for twenty two months. Currently the qualification to get a visas twenty four months. The us army just left the base. I'm on what am i supposed to do now. I'm too much short. Does that person gets to get on a plane. Even though we know they won't qualify By the way that standard that time standard was written by stephen miller when he was one of the staffers. Jeff sessions before jeff sessions left to become trump's first ag. It was one of his parting gifts on the way out of the senate. He wrote it in two thousand fifteen in the deal that was made was that everyone had to agree to this larger time. Increase if if only if they agreed to that which he allowed for more visas to be passed that year. I would love to see the congress. Get rid of that standard. Maybe the us army veteran co founder of the group. No one left behind. Obviously this is evolving. And we're still getting more information out of the administration as we. Can i know that you as you say are not only following this closely. But you're in close touch with people who are directly affected. We're going to have you back in in coming days to keep talking about this as we learn more and as this starts to hit the ground. I can't thank you enough for covering the thank you so much. You're sitting by doing this while not at all or just talking about what people doing all right. We got much more ahead. Our world is facing some big challenges. Chuck todd breaks them down a deep dive into a new topic. Instead of covering all the big stories. We're going to cover one single subject. Impacting american politics exploring and explaining the critical issues that affect our future meet the press reports. All episodes of season two are now available on demand on peacock. Hey it's chris as we can my podcasts. Why is this happening. I'll be talking with palestinian american scholar and author and historian rashid khalidi on the state of palestinian politics. In this moment a two state solution is not going to happen. At least not until changes inside israel lesson until the status quo is a one state solution. That's the state of his. There's one population register israel controls. You cannot come in. you cannot go out you can register child. You cannot marry anywhere within that territory unless they approve. There's illusion of a palestinian authority. Which is a mirage in terms of real sovereignty jurisdiction authority it exists it. Perform some governmental services on sufferance by permission but its main job is to keep the palestinians down to provide security for israel as it continues to occupy colonist. That's this week on. Why is this happening searched for. Why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Here's the headline in the kansas city. Star tonight springfield facing overwhelmed. Hospitals asks missouri to fund alternative. Care site the county health director and springfield missouri today convened a press conference along with officials from the hospitals there to ask for immediate help. Two hundred thirty one patients are currently in the hospital being treated for covid. Nineteen which is the highest number. We have seen cox health and mercy are rejected to see additional hospitalizations in the coming weeks based on the rate of spread that along with the increase in severe illness in low vaccination rates will cause the need for beds to outpace hospital capacity in the coming days with that need in mind. We need help. Yes a we're trying to create panic but it is a serious situation that we have in southwest missouri. Worry i think we all have is the ability to take the stress off. A hospitals was that we had other hospitals in our state that had capacity. They're filling up people. Keep asking the question whether it's a crisis we deal in crisis everyday. That's a medium that we work in. We manage crisis. We work in crisis. This is particularly intense will manage it but we are at our capacity right now and We're adding staff and we're we'll get stronger and better. But i'm afraid this time of the curve were behind. I don't think will catch up and so the consequences could be more dire. And that's what support from the governor. This requested. the governor's office might help us. We've got be rapidly. It can't be it can't be weeks it's gotta be days. That is not footage from last year. That is tonight hospital on county. Health officials in springfield missouri tonight announcing hospitals in springfield. Full the tide of cove patients is still only increasing. They are asking the state to come in and open an alternate alternate care facility. Presumably some kind of emergency field hospital in springfield because the icu's are full. The ventilators or maxed out the staff is maxed out the beds. There are at capacity again. This is now. We've been watching over the last couple of weeks. As hospitals in southwest missouri have been sounding this alarm announcing that they were hitting new records opening new covert units. Making public appeals for respiratory therapists to come from other parts of the country to come help in springfield missouri. It's just a bad combination there right now. This aggressively contagious delta variance finding very fertile territory in missouri is largely unvaccinated population in southwest missouri. Nope county has more than thirty five percent of its population vaccinated. And if you widen the lens a little bit beyond just springfield the situation actually looks a little rougher just outside springfield missouri to the southeast is a small rural county howell county There's no good sized cities there. It's a real place very white very conservative. As far as i can tell that county made national news precisely. Once in the past fifteen years two thousand eight. When somebody put up a racist billboard of then presidential candidate barack obama wearing a turban that county not surprisingly very conservative rural southern missouri. In the ozarks down near the arkansas border. They've got particularly low rates of vaccination there and how county they don't have a lot of health infrastructure. It's just not that big a place and you get really sick. And how county missouri. What they do is they send you to springfield about an hour and a half two hours away but again in springfield right now. They're full and springfield. They're begging the state to set up some new pop up. Emergency hospital and please. They need it within days. They can't wait weeks that needs to happen now. And it's it's one thing to see that desperation in the city of springfield is their covert numbers. Go through the roof. So another thing to realize that all the less populated counties and communities the less resource counties and communities in that whole part of the state they were all counting on being able to send their folks to springfield when the virus started ripping through those largely unvaccinated communities as. Well what do you do. If you're in that situation. Few days ago viewer missouri santos a public plea that had just been posted on facebook by ozarks healthcare. How county begging people in the county to be vaccinated. We also showing understanding that people don't want to do it or at least that they're worried about being seen doing it at so in howard county missouri. the big-hearted quick thinking health authorities. There have come up with something. They are now offering discreet vaccine appointments. They're making it possible. Basically for people to get vaccinated in secret posted on facebook quote. We know excuse me we understand. Getting vaccinated is a personal choice. Choosing to get vaccinated has been put in a strange light for some getting a vaccine may mean losing friendships but it is a choice that can impact so many lives other than your own if you have questions about the vaccine any questions. We're here to answer them. If you need to schedule your vaccine we are here to help. And then get this. If you are afraid of walking into a public area where you might be seen getting your vaccine. We will work to accommodate even more of a private setting for you to receive your vaccine. Howell county missouri. That post was then shared by the local county health department. It is it is desperate in that part of the country right now and if it means people need secret private vaccine appointments to get vaccinated with nobody knowing. That's what they're doing. Local health authorities will do that for you but the widening the aperture on the story sort of gets you to each new story here right crisis in southwest missouri and springfield with hospitals now being overrun. They're at capacity with the numbers. Still spiking crisis in all of southern missouri as the virus runs rampant there and there's nowhere to ship patients in part because springfield has no room at the end. Why than the aperture a little further. This is the headline in the kansas city. Star yesterday vaccination rates in some kansas city area lower than in hard hit springfield so yes southwest missouri springfields in crisis coping with this rabid delta variant that infects unvaccinated people so easily but head up the highway to kansas city. Missouri triple the size of springfield in the city itself. The kansas city metro areas two point. One million people. They've vaccination rates in many parts of that metro area there even lower than what they've got in springfield which is the city that is already overrun and begging for help. And hey kansas city here comes delta with a bead on that rich densely-populated target of mostly unvaccinated people. And here we are with no mask rules. No social distancing requirements everything wide open. No mitigation measures in place at all. Here comes delta to a metro area with two million americans in it. That's the dynamic at work right now. That's why newspapers in missouri are so furious with the republican governor in missouri. Right now right. Who's not quite a covert denier but close. He's been busy blaming the hospitals and springfield for example for them being overwhelmed. Broader that though. It's also the challenge for the biden administration to try to move every community of every stripe toward every possible action that could increase vaccination rates and prevent the imminently preventable deaths of thousands. More americans you widen the lens on this and you start to see how this affects other places right chicago for example so worried about what's going on in southern missouri. That if you want to travel to chicago from missouri or arkansas you're unvaccinated the city of chicago nelson yesterday Quarantine for ten days or have a negative covid nineteen test again as a condition of your travel to chicago. We just keep keep widening the lens. Right if we've learned anything in this miserable pandemic viral dynamics do not care about human labels and borders unless you suppress the virus everywhere people or vulnerable anywhere. We recently stopped using geographic labels for different variants of the coronavirus but then delta variant that is wreaking such havoc right now it first emerged in india right with their raging wildfire of an outbreak and it may have been easy for americans to see what was going on in india as a sort of sad faraway foreign story but now that variant borne in india is the one that is ripping through the ozarks and southwest missouri. And it's not like west plains missouri. And how will county is a big hub for international travel from india. It's just that this is a global pandemic. it doesn't go away anywhere until it goes away everywhere and the only way it goes away by getting people the vaccine and as this thing rips through more unvaccinated populations it produces more and more deadly variants. That's then spread to every corner of the globe. If you widen the lens all the way out throw it all the way open. It is clear that it is not just the sort of poetic pie in the sky. Notion that humanity needs to all pull together at times like this it is self interest for every community and every country no matter how far away those other places might see or whether or not we are friends. It is self interest for every community and every country to suppress this thing everywhere. Which means vaccines everywhere. And here's the thing you widen the lens that far and that sort of new kind of despair takes hold doesn't it feels impossible. We can't even get missouri vaccinated. How are we supposed to get the rest of the world vaccinated too big a job. What do we know about doing that. Anyway i mean look at the headlines right now about africa for example they are just now. Nations are just now getting into their worst experience of the pandemic yet. They didn't have a terrible twenty twenty compared to us but their twenty twenty one terrible one point three billion people on the continent of africa. They are one percent vaccinated right now. That feels just too big a challenge. Right what can we do about that even if we can get over the hurdle of understanding that we need to do that. How how on earth what. We're gonna talk about here on the show tonight is that it turns out. There is a surprising. Good news can do answer to that. A huge largely unheralded american bi-partisan success that lurks in our very recent past that offers us the best understanding of what we can do next. It's here to help is next. Hey everybody it's savannah guthrie and and we've got some great news to share that. Today's show is now available. Wherever you get your podcast. Can you believe that right. Now you can get your daily dose of news and the headlines and the day's top interviews from us right here every single morning. We have what you need to start your day and it's available every day. Wherever you get your podcast not subscribe and follow today to start listening january. Twenty th two thousand three It was time for the state of the union address. Republican president george w bush was in office and he was about to launch the disastrous war in iraq That was the state of the union address. Where he said that made up thing about saddam hussein getting uranium from africa which was total horse hockey. But he said it. That's what that speech is remembered for. But this also happened to that same night that same speech today on the continent of africa. Nearly thirty million people have the aids virus including three million children under the age. Fifteen there whole countries in africa were more than one. Third of the adult population carries the infection. More than four million require immediate drug-treatment. Get across the continent. Only fifty thousand eight victims. Only fifty thousand are receiving the medicine. They need tonight. I propose the emergency plan for aids relief. A work of mercy beyond all current international efforts to help the people of africa. President george w bush state of the union. Two thousand and three. He's remembered for the iraq war. He set in motion in that same species remembered for a lot of really terrible things about his administration. But that other thing that he announced that is something different something that is worth learning about now and reminding ourselves about now given of course the new pandemic that we're in journalist. Emily bass has written about this in her new book to end a plague. She says this quote with a scant handful of sentences. Bush launched the largest disease specific foreign aid effort in the history of the country and the world and the years to come members of congress would call the president's plan the most effective foreign aid since the marshall plan the legendary post world war two effort to rebuild europe. The program known as far the president's emergency plan for aids relief would meet the goals that bush set in the state of the union ahead of schedule and then go on hitting or surpassing them across three presidencies. An eight different congresses. Far is america's most sustained and effective fight against the pandemic of the twenty first century into end to play bass chronicles in detail. How this plan came to be how activists forced the issue. How politicians of all different stripes decided. They wanted to make it work. How good public policy people figured out how to do it in a workable way. How science advanced enough that it could be leveraged into this mammoth and successful effort to save literally millions of lives to bring new hiv infection rates. Down in an astonishing in astonishing numbers in multiple countries. Thanks to america doing this incredibly unlikely thing getting it together to get expensive new drugs to the far reaches of the world which was very unlikely at the time but we did it and of course. It's exactly the unlikely and difficult thing we need to do. Now for the pandemic were in now. Emily bass writes resilient in the face of flatlined funding and political headwinds. How far is america's singular example of how to fight long-term plague and win. She writes quote. It's conceivable to think of pep foreing other problems to do. So though america has to see it as a national asset not a work of mercy but a source of self preservation in a world where pandemic anywhere threatens us. All joining us. Now is emily bass the author of this new very very helpful history which is called to end a plague. America's fight to defeat aids in africa full disclosure. Emily's also an old friend who i haven't seen in a gazillion near since we used to work on at least a little bit of stuff together. Emily congratulations on. This book is really nice to see you. It's really nice to see you to rachel. Thank you is it. Fair to look at america's sort of ambitions and the need to act on kovic vaccines through the lens of what america was able to do in pep far. Obviously they're different pandemics with different dynamics but is this sort of a map for how we can successfully what seems so impossible hundred percent a hundred percent. I mean there are many differences but there are also crucial similarities and one of them is. We've have with far with that clip. That you showed in the head scratcher moment of a man is about to plunge us into wars some of which are just ending now in the sense of withdrawal of us. Troops is a president who makes it a priority to put significant amounts of money towards a target driven pandemic response. So there's a target you know. Bush says two million people need to get on treatment. And i'm gonna fifteen billion dollars and we're going to do it in five years and of course it happens less time he does that. Because there's an activist movement that impels the prices to be dropped okay and that activist movement is at work right now. Thirteen people were arrested today blocking traffic in order to fight for access to covid vaccine. Some of those same people Low these many years ago. We're getting arrested. Because the trump the prices of the drugs were too high. The eight strokes were too high presidential leadership activist engagement ambitious targets a clear plan and lots of funding. We can do that. And we haven't yet done that for global. Kobe does the structure that was set up To put in motion but to keep it in motion for as you say three presidencies eight different congresses. The american public stopping paying attention to the problem for most of that is that structure. Something that the covid vaccine effort could be channeled through or is it a model that should be used to set up something parallel separates. So there's two things one is. The pet doesn't have a head right now. It sells and that covid pandemic has really set back. Hiv aids as well and pet is a flagship programme that needs ahead so pet for itself. The program that fights aids needs ahead does pep far take on the broader pandemic response. I don't think so but it is absolutely helping in these african countries which are undergoing such a disastrous murderous and preventable but pep proper provides the blueprint right for what we do need. Which is an empowered head. That can has a direct line to the president and that can coordinate the whole range of agencies that do work so this isn't a program or entity that wanna see sitting in usa id our agencies or cdc or the department of defence. You wanna see it. Someplace with empowered head directly able to get to the president with the power to coordinate all of these agencies. that's what pep did these agencies. Don't love working together right. They really don't so you also have a lot of money that brings everybody to the table and keeps them there. Emily bass journalists aids activists the author of to end a plague. America's fight to defeat aids in africa. Telling the history in detail of a as you say what ought to be seen as a national asset something we ought to be proud of and we ought to build on and we ought to celebrate a lot more than we do especially at a time. We need to be doing something quite like this again. Emily bassus great to see you. Congratulations thanks nice. To see you too. Thanks rachel right back. We've been talking tonight about what's going wrong on cove in some parts of the country and also some reasons to be hopeful about what our country can do to fight the pandemic. Here's some news today. That's more the former more on the what's going wrong side of things Florida's republican governor ron. Disentis is up for reelection next year. His reelection campaign just dropped what they're describing as exclusive new merchandise. It includes a t shirt that says. Don't vouch my florida or if you prefer a dog fetching my florida beer. Cousy which is hilarious. Yeah sure we can all agree Here's the thing though. The governor of florida is now selling both of these items and his campaign store while his state is currently experiencing nearly four times. The national average of new coronavirus cases florida currently ranked second in the whole country. In new daily cases. Their death rate is double the national average. They ranked fourth nationally in covert hospitalizations. But hey at least your beer will stay cold while you insult the very idea of infectious disease expertise. That'll show him watch this state. Watch the state that is going to do it for us tonight. 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Guilty plea from Giuliani associate likely sends chill through parts of Trumpworld

"The show we turn on. Msnbc happy to have you here. Cnn is reporting tonight on what sounds like. It may be a dramatic turn in the investigation into the january. Sixth attack on the us capital now. Nbc news has not verified this reporting just citing. What cnn has reported this evening but if in fact this is borne out This would be sort of a big hairy deal What cnn is reporting tonight. Is that the january sixth investigation the select committee investigating the attack They're about to send requests to cell phone providers requesting that those cell phone providers preserve records from phone calls and the usage of cellphones by several people linked to the attack including members of congress the preservation notices or apparently reportedly due to go into the telecom providers as soon as this week. The committee chairman congressman bennie thompson. has also previously said that he starts to a plans to start sending out the committee's first subpoenas as of next week. The investigation into the attack on january. Six isn't just about happened that day during the attack in y the security arrangements in the capital were insufficient to protect the building from from being breached and members of congress being directly threatened. It's about that but it's also about how the attack came to be and who is culpable for arranging or indeed abetting the attack chairman. Bennie thompson is confirming tonight. That it is hundreds of people for whom they're going to be seeking cellphone records but if cnn's reporting is right and among those member among those people who cellphone records are going to be sought are members of congress which one's which members of congress are about to become part of this investigation. We don't Presumably we'll find out in good time. There are two very well known. Republicans in congress. You've already admitted that they were on the phone. During the course of the attack or at least on the day of the attack with then president trump. The leader of the republican party in the house congressman. Kevin mccarthy has said that he spoke with trump during the attack. Republican congressman. Jim jordan has also since admitted speaking with trump on the day of the attack as well but because the investigation covers not just what happened during the course of the attack but also what may have led to a have set it off. There's also hard questions. Of course being raised about congressman like paul. Gosar and congressman. Andy biggs both of whom have been accused of being involved in meetings and discussions with people who have claimed credit for instigating the whole january sixth event it also raises questions about alabama congressman mo brooks. Who gave a famously incendiary speech at the january. Sixth rally just before the attack on the capital started congressman mo brooks later admitted that he was wearing body armor under his flannel shirt and windbreaker that day body armor despite the fact that he also claimed that his speech that day was when he was talking about the need to fight that was just metaphorical thinking. He had no idea no inkling. There would be an actual fights no inkling that the crowd was actually riled up enough to go do anything dangerous. that day. He says had no clue of that. He just also felt the need to wear body armor while he spoke to them. And you know who among us can't relate to that right who among us has not slipped into full. Kevlar plates and a helmet while going. You know if the local league of women voters meeting heading down to the rotary meeting to commonly discussed the civic issues of the day with our fellow rotarians over a rubber chicken dinner. Don't forget your kevlar. But it's interesting about congressman brooks congressman mel brooks. This weekend spoke at the trump rally that was held in cullman alabama mo brooks is going to give up his seat in the house to run for the united states. Senate seat from alabama. That's coming up. He has attached himself at the hip two former president trump in order to try to win that senate seat. You might have seen footage about that rally this weekend. This is the rally where former president trump was sort of mildly booed by the alabama crowd for telling them that they should get vaccinated. Alabama is a state. That ran out of icu. Beds last tuesday. They've got federal disaster teams coming into their hospitals to try to keep them afloat. Because alabama hospitals are so overrun by very sick cove patients mobile alabama. At one point last week had no ambulances available. If you call nine one one there was no ambulance to come get you. Because they're so tied up with cove patients there and there were no ambulances left to respond trump at the rally. This weekend suggested that people there should get vaccinated. The crowd mildly booed him when he told them that and when he reminded them that he himself had been vaccinated. That got a lot of attention for obvious reasons. But i say that. They sort of mildly booed trump. Because it was a scattering of booze you really want to see. Someone get nearly booed off the stage though booed to the point of intimidation. Look at how that same crowd at that. Same event responded in alabama to congressman mo brooks when congressman mo brooks was not talking about back stations and cova when instead. He was talking about the last election at the rally this weekend. He basically tried to dial back. His previous incendiary position and how the presidential election shouldn't count and it was all stolen and from really one and not biden and we much we must fight over that he basically tried to walk that back to this alabama crowd this weekend and watch how they responded. There are some people who were despondent about the voter fraud or election. Theft in twenty twenty folks. Put that behind. You put that behind you. Yes look look forward look forward. Beat them in twenty twenty to beat them at twenty. Four right back had been go forward and take advantage of it this weekend. Hometown crowd lustily booing blowing. The heck out of alabama republican congressman mo brooks for him having the goal to suggest that yeah. The election was stolen and really trump inviting. Didn't win but they should move on from that and work on the next election. Where incidentally he's open to be on the ballot for the united states senate. That crowd was absolutely not having it. And you can tell enough. Footage congressman brooke seemed to be shocked by that reaction supplies. Yeah i thought frankenstein would love his creator as well. But in the wake of that just screaming rejection from his own base voters on that point. mo brooks has since flipped again now insisting in an online statement quote. Let me be clear. The twenty twenty election was fraught with voter fraud and election theft. On a massive scale trump won the election. I support audits of state. Twenty twenty election results. I eagerly await their findings. He's trying to go back to that. That way of dealing with the issue the man knows what side his bread is buttered on but as for him eagerly awaiting the supposed state audits of the election results. He is going to have to wait longer along with anybody else. Who's in the same boat with him. The flagship ridiculous twenty twenty election audit is is a personal one in arizona. It was april when republicans in the arizona legislature. I handed over most of the actual ballots. Arizona's presidential election and tons of voting requirement. Handed it over to on promoting trump election conspiracy theorists who runs a one man band company called sabre ninjas that company and the arizona republican said their so called audit of arizona's election results would take three weeks. It's been five months and counting. They had said last week that the report from that audit would be in by friday. This past friday. It was not in by friday. Then they said it would be in by today. But then at the end of the day today arizona republicans released a statement saying quote unfortunately cyber ninjas ceo doug logan and two other members of the five person audit team have tested positive for covert nineteen and are quite sick and therefore the read report on the audit will not be submitted today and that of course is is terrible news and we wish them all the best arenas republican senate president karen fan till the arizona mirror today that one of the three people on the audit team who has cove it is not just quite sick with covert but actually hospitalized with kovic related pneumonia. Which is terrible again. We wish them the best. Whoever they are. But i will tell you. Even this part remains mysterious. First of all this assertion that three people of the five-person audit team are very sick. With kovic is the first news. Anybody's had that there's a five person audit team. Who's on the team. Who were the other four people. Besides doug logan it's like when people talk about doug logan running a company called cyber ninjas that technically is true but does anybody ever turned up a single employee of cyber ninjas other than doug logan kind of just a one man band i mean. They've had millions of ballots from the arizona election and all of this elections equipment for maricopa county for five months for their audit. That was supposed to take three weeks. The arizona senate president who hired this entity these cyber ninjas to do the audit. She supposedly even supervising all along. She expressed surprise to local reporters today surprise at this covert news because that was the first that she learned there was a five percent audit team producing this audit. She reportedly says she doesn't know who else other than doug. Logan is on this five person team. A former republican official name. Ken bennett who has served as the senate liaison for the audit basically. He's been the person in charge of explaining to the press and the public. What's going on with the audit for all these five months. He said today after the statement came out saying the report was not coming and it was because three people on the five-person audit team has cove. He said today that not only did he not know it was a five person audit team and not only did he know not know who's on this five-person audit team. He said today that he actually thought it was a nine person audit team if so what happened the other four this deep into the process. They purport to have absolutely no idea what's happening. In any case the contention now is that the audit report is not ready even today because the head of cyber ninjas and maybe some other people that we don't know who they are are very sick with cove but nobody knows who they are what their actual involvement is. I will tell you. Arizona republicans also announced today that aside from the kovin problem they're actually still not done with the audit anyway. Something something ballot envelope something something. So maybe it's gonna take another week or so. This is the very professional audit that trump world trusts because they believe the results of this audit will make way more sense and be way more solid and be way less shady then actually just looking at the certified election results from the county in the state mo brooks is eagerly awaiting the results of this audit to find out what the real story is. So we're we're following those developing stories. Tonight there's also late breaking news tonight about Do you remember my boyfriend's left and eager love parnasse an ego freeman. Were colleagues of trump lawyer. Pretty giuliani mr. Mr ferman were arrested in two thousand nineteen and charged among other things with allegedly funneling large illegal foreign donations to a pack supporting trump's reelection and two other republican candidates both love and eager and pled. Not guilty mr parnell had since made public claims including this show that he was basically bamboozled into a plot by giuliani and trump and some other trumpworld figures to try to wheedle dirt out of the nation of ukraine. That could be used against joe biden in the twenty twenty election that plot of course ultimately lead to trump impeachment number. One love partners has publicly named not. Just rudy giuliani and donald trump but also trump administration officials including william bar former attorney general as having been in the loop on on some of that that scam. Mr parnell has has got a fairly high profile figures since was charged. Even that's he's fighting these charges and pleading not guilty. Mr and has been much less of a high profile figure but it is mr ferman eager who is apparently going to change his plea from not guilty to guilty plea. Notice was docket in his case. Today he'll have a hearing on that matter before a federal judge in the southern district of new york on wednesday now in the filings around that wednesday hearing at the hearing itself we may learn the circumstances of his guilty plea whether this means he is turning state's evidence whether this means ebor is cooperating with prosecutors to tell them what he knows about other people's actions other potential crimes because of eager freeman's links with former president trump. And mr giuliani. Because of the subsequent revelations about mr giuliani being under federal criminal investigation for his part whatever they were doing in ukraine eager. The man you see here on the right with president trump ebor pleading guilty Has to be very uncomfortable making development for parts of trump world. Tonight if his guilty plea is going to be accompanied by cooperation deal with federal prosecutors. We shall see following that also coming up in just a moment. We're going to be speaking here with john. Kirby admiral john kirby spokesperson at the press secretary at the at the pentagon with lots to talk with him about today with the fda giving full gold standard approval to the pfizer vaccine against covert nineteen. That cleared the way within hours today for the pentagon institute a new requirement that all active duty. Us troops must be vaccinated. That's fascinating new development today at the defense department and we'll have big implications in terms of how quickly it's rolled out and what happens to service members who may refuse to get vaccinated even though they're required to get lots of other vaccines as part of their service. Admiral kirby of course also been the main explainer to the public and the press on the urgent and increasingly massive airlift effort to evacuate americans and our afghan allies out of afghanistan the pentagon announcing today that between yesterday and today they got nearly eleven thousand people evacuated in one twenty four hour period. They hit said last week. Their maximum range was five to nine thousand people evacuated per day. They evacuated nearly eleven thousand in the last twenty. Four hours that means the pace of this evacuation is picking up substantially. We'll talk with admiral kirby about whether or not. They aim to sustain that rapid pace. Admiral kirby has also sort of cage alie fielded questions. These cage addressed recent reporting that. Us forces are now at least occasionally using helicopters to go get people and bring them to the kabul airport amid increasingly desperate and dangerous circumstances outside the gates and blast walls of the airport. That's sort of aggressive. Exfiltration effort by air has been of great interest as we have seen the scenes outside the gates of the airport. Just get more harrowing and more each day and as we hear about terrorist threats against those crowds outside the airport. You may have also seen the reporting this weekend About a woman a an evacuee from afghanistan who literally gave birth to a baby on board one of the us military c seventeen evacuation plans just after it landed at ramstein. Air force. Base in germany is just a crazy story. It puts your heart in your throat to know that this woman was pregnant this close to delivering when she got herself and her family on board that c. seventeen and then to have given birth on the tarmac on board the plane. Us servicemen and women racing on board that cargo plane delivering the baby right then in there on board the plane before they were even able to disembark her mother and baby are both reportedly doing fine. But i have to tell you that dramatic situation. This weekend led to this question and surprise. Answer at the pentagon press briefing this afternoon. I don't know if you've seen this footage. Date started one way and then dramatically off the rails to the surprise of everybody except one person in the room and went off the rails not in a bad way but in a way that definitely makes me want to know more watch. I'm therese garnier with newsy. Jenner reliance on our mets being provided for each flight. I know there's a concern about capacity because you're trying to get as many people on but our medics being provided and the reason why i ask that is because there are reports that a woman had a baby during one of the flights and so do you have medics that will be on board that will be able to handle any sort of emergency situations. That may come up if someone has a babysitter valls and get sick or something. In that instance. Yeah it's a great question. We have medics on every flight There is a medical screen as part of the screening in boarding process and But i'll confess to you that many people would have to self identify any kind of medical issue Re really exciting. I mean i really appreciate the news reporting on the baby. Being born as at came into Ramstein matter of fact. There's actually been more than that so it's just a just an incredible. Incredible operation ongoing. You know just just impressive. Work by our great airmen. Adam would he be more than more than one baby. My my last data point was three. I don't have a formal tracker but those you know so we'll keep you posted. We'll follow follow up and try to get you information on the other to your other. Reporters go wait a second. Did he say there's been more than that when he says more than that. He means more babies. There's more little babies actually. There's more little babies. There's more than one baby. Admiral john kirby obviously flummoxed by this as well he did you. Just say three babies sir. How we'll get more on the baby situation admiral. John kirby said he would get more on that to explain that he's here with us next. Stay with us. Our world is facing some big challenges. Chuck todd breaks them down a deep dive into a new topic. Instead of covering all the big stories. We're going to cover one single subject. Impacting american politics exploring and explaining the critical issues that affect our future meet the press reports. All episodes of season two are now available on demand on peacock. What does her ascension mean. Ask a simple question. Women of color vice would matters to them why. Let's be clear. This is about fraud. Work the angles tonight here on. Msnbc special coming question afford you going through your process care about what you find now when and if not the free press then who. If what you discovered doesn't match your expectations fact. Check this forest. Keep asking yourself hard questions. Are you confident. Tough on the answers. It's just not true. Favorite facts over conspiracy should american citizens. No rely on experts not influence now going to debate it again and vote again a trust standards over here saying at msnbc. This is what we do. And this is. We are when the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff was admiral. Mike mullen his spokesman his spokesperson Was the man you see here on the left. A man named john kirby. John kirby was the voice of the joint chiefs during the height of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. John kirby can also be seen here in this photo with former defense secretary. Chuck hagel john. Kirby was his spokesperson at the pentagon for a while to that was before mr kirby went onto become spokesperson for the secretary of state. When john kerry was secretary of state under president obama. He's had these very high visibility jobs at the pentagon at the state department. He's also a rear admiral in the united states. Navy john kirby served in the navy as the public affairs officer for the blue angels. He served as the editor in chief of the navy's magazine. He served as chief spokesperson for the department of the navy these days. He is back at the department of defense reprising. His role as pentagon press secretary this time in the biden administration for defense department. That is now by secretary. Lloyd austin john. Kirby has been a very very high profile person in washington for a long time right now. He has one of the most difficult and most scrutinized jobs in washington because right now daily sometimes multiple times per day. He is briefing the defense department press corps which is not a bunch of pushovers briefing. Them briefing through them. The rest of the world as the united states attempts to wind down its longest war and engages in a big very very difficult. Very contested evacuation effort in afghanistan. Just today john. Kirby has already briefed the press twice to separate pentagon briefings already today on everything from helicopter exfiltrations of afghan evacuees to evacuation flights in their numbers. Two babies being born on board those evacuation flights. He's done a lot of work already today. But i still have more questions than he has been kind enough to join us tonight to come. Answer them. admiral. Kirby thank you so much. I know. it's been a long couple of weeks long day today. Thank you for being here tonight. My pleasure ritual thank you. Let me start by asking you about the the most important thing but something. My interest was very peaked today at the second pentagon briefing. You did today In which we learned that there wasn't just one baby born on one of these flights one of these evacuation flights this weekend at ramstein in germany. But the general who you were breathing wits actually said there's been three babies born in these circumstances. Yeah that's right. He surprised everybody including me on that. This general steve lyons. He's the commander of us transportation command and we wanted him to come in and talk to our press corps about the incredible logistics effort. That is going in to moving thousands of people out of afghanistan temporary safe havens elsewhere as they as they work their way back to the united states and right at the end of the briefing he got asked about the the one baby that we knew he'd been born because there were a great great photographs of that of course And he let it slipped in fact actually to others had been born so So we end the press corps here at the pentagon or trying to chase down the details on that because it's just a great story and just another Indication of humanity the professionalism in the kindness with which us military members are really treating their important evacuation work. It also tells you about the humanity and the desperation of the people who are getting out. I mean for somebody to be not just pregnant pregnant upon the moment of potentially delivering somebody. Who's going to go into labor during the flight and still at that moment putting themselves in peril taking their fragile selves and their families and getting themselves on board one of those military transports. I mean the extremists that these women and their families are in to be able to do this. It does make me wonder about the kinds of medical resources that are being made available to these refugees. The kinds of resources that they need once they land. How long they're staying there staying at the initial place. They i land once. They're taken out of afghanistan. What can you tell us about that. So there's some initial medical screening at kabul before they get onto a flight who we want to make sure that they're okay so there's some medical treatment there there are in the general said this. There's there's no medical personnel on. These flights were saving every available space for passengers for people that want to get out to our as you rightly said rachel desperate to leave. So we're not putting medical personnel on these flights but then when they get to these these temporary safe havens or staging base if you will for onward movement they are evaluated for for any medical issues and given a chance to you know to get some more screening there and then of course when they get back to the united states We go through that again. We definitely screen them for Cove at some of these staging bases. All of them are getting screened for covert when they get to the united states right. Now they're coming into dulles and so there there's constantly throughout the process medical personnel. That are trying to look after them as best we can. Is there going to be sort of call to the american people and civil society organizations in the united states to help resettle people to do community resettlement efforts to donate things that these new families may leave to find them housing to get them in. English is a second language courses. If they're going to be resettling here. I mean i know that not everybody is going to be coming to the united states but thousands are is there call now from the us government indeed from from the defense department for the american people to step up and help. We're actually starting to see that rachel. I mean certainly lots of non-governmental organizations are already helping the state department and as they as these afghans are ready to move into american society. They're already going to relocation centers and getting getting help starting. Their new lives absolutely. But you know the the commanding general of fort bliss texas where. We're some have already gone for this. The follow on final paperwork that they have to complete before they become citizens has said that he's been deluged with phone calls and emails from the people living outside fort bliss texas just wanting to know what they can do blankets food whatever they can do to help so we're already starting to see the american people and many of these communities really reach out and want to do what they can to help what will be their future fellow citizens i will tell you just just anecdotally from our experience. We're just at cable news. Show that covers this process and that's covered some individual stories of people who have been evacuated with their families and we have been inundated with requests from our viewers in terms of how they can help. And so i know that you're in a different role as the press spokesman at pentagon. But i think there is a real hunger among the general public watching this to wanna step up and do something especially as we learn more about how hard these flight crews are working and how hard these thousands of. Us troops are working to try to make the best of this very difficult situation. I do think there is public appetite to do something sort of put our money. Where mouth is to give to to to be part of this process someway. I don't know if that's i mean. I doubt we'll hear that from you with the podium. But i do feel like i do feel like we have to hear that from the administration from the government in some way because that needs to be channeled in some way. It's valuable to to leave on the table. It seems to me. No i agree. Rachel and i think this is what's quintessentially so great about our country. Americans are generous lot and we are immigrant nation and and we're used to these stories a sad and desperate though they may be and we're and we used to reaching out to people that are in need and And really wanna start a new life here. So i think you know just that one little base in texas is just one small example. I think you're gonna see that all over the country and again. That's that's one of the great things about living in this country and i think these afghans That'll be something that they take away to tell me about something that you have received lots of hard questions about all last week and over the weekend and today which is the issue of safe passage out obviously getting control of the airport getting control of the tarmac getting control of the runway lining up these staging basis for onward movement as you were describing all of that we've seen the military source systematically get that in order and we have simultaneously seen the number of evacuees rise to this incredible number of nearly eleven thousand one twenty four hour period Just between sunday and and today but there is still the front end issue of how people get themselves into that safe system. How people get into the airport. How not just americans. But people linked to the us government people who are afghan vacuum is who we are. Otherwise priorities prioritize. How they're going to get out. Tell me about big picture. Progress toward making more safe that part of their journey. So there's a couple of pieces here. You might have heard me talk about this a little. Bit ago we We are in constant daily communication with taliban leaders who are outside the airport and we have been making it clear to them what the credentials look like woohoo. We want to see get through their checkpoints. Who are who absolutely entitled to get on these flights. And thus far though there have been certainly cases of harassment and even even violent harassment of some qualified individuals by and large these american citizens and these special immigrant. Visa applicants are being able to work through those checkpoints. We are also in in communication with the taliban about making it easier for this safety to say a more safe perimeter around the field so that there are fewer crowds because crowds have also been an impediment not not from violence perspective just from a dense perspective. So we're working with with them to try to make sure that there is enough access around the airport for people to get in More freely and we are working every day. Our commanders on the ground are pursuing opportunities to make access and passage to the field. Easier and safer for americans and these. Siv applicants Some pretty creative ideas that they're putting into place And obviously it's a denson dangerous environment we have Legitimate counter-terrorism threat. They're terrorism threat around the airport that we have to take seriously but once we get them onto the field and they go through a whole series of processing and manifesting as i said medical screening. Make sure they have food and water and we try. We try to get them on the very next flight out. That's available and these flights. At least yesterday. Rachel they were leaving one almost every hour now. We hope to be able to continue that sorta pace going forward. Obviously it's weather dependent. It's it's it's it's it's population dependent but that's the kind of that's the kind of throughput that we're trying to reach so that we can keep these numbers up for as long as possible. Should we expect to see more evacuations more transit to the airport. Aided by us helicopters you have talked about this a little bit at the end of last week and also today that there have been a couple of helicopter-born us affiliate us us facilitated movements one from a group that was very close to the airport. Another was described as elsewhere in kabul. Should we expect there to be more of those that obviously seem like a sort of tidy answer to it from from those us looking from this distance or is there something that's particularly dangerous about those helicopter airlifts that we don't understand that means that that will continue to be quite limited. The commanders on the ground certainly have the authorities. They need to pursue opportunities to bring people in and one of the means that their disposal is of course rotary aircraft helicopters. And and we have done that on a couple of occasions. I certainly wouldn't rule out that we would do it again if it if it was the best way. And that's really what it comes down to rachel's what's the best most effective. And what's the safest way to get americans and other sap applicants into the airport and so again sometimes helicopters are the answer sometimes not and there are pursuing all kinds of different opportunities to make this happen so i certainly wouldn't rule it out but it is. It is not the only way in which we are encouraging and trying to facilitate the safe passage of people into the airport. Let me ask you about one very different perspective on this. Which is obviously we saw the taliban takeover of the country almost every province in the country in some cases without firing a shot including walking into kabul without having to be a military victory it was essentially arranged as far as we can tell but there is resistance to the pentagon we have seen demonstrations i by women by brave women in kabul then by larger groups of people in eastern afghanistan and southeastern afghanistan. We're now seeing organized resistance Speaking out getting some international press from the pound share valley we saw anti-taliban fighters take back some parts of a different province Over the weekend although the taliban now says they fought in and brought those back if there is significant resistance to taliban rule. Is the us going to ignore that. Or is there provision in our postwar planning to give assistance to those who are resisting taliban rule and indeed. Maybe maybe fighting for control of parts of the country. Well i certainly wouldn't get ahead of policy decisions that That you know that. That hasn't been made on on that. Rachel what i can tell you is that Our our presence there at the airport. The fifty eight hundred troops that we have right now. Their focus is really on three things making sure we can defend that airport and keep its operations going and then work in the evacuation mission to the maximum degree that we can and then number three making sure that we are as appropriate reaching out to american citizens who need to be brought in and finding out ways to do that. That's really what our focuses on right now and i think we have been very clear. The military mission is really confined to those three things. And i i i. I wouldn't want to speculate about what might might what might be in the offing for the future. John kirby pentagon press secretary making the most of what has already been a very very long day by staying up so late with us tonight. Sir thank you for your time really appreciate it anytime. You'd like to come back with love to have you back. Thank you rachel. My pleasure all right. We've got much more ahead here tonight. Stay with us looking for more dateline mysteries peacocks on the case with a new streaming channel. Dateline twenty four seven true crime stories from the true crime original gouda peacock. tv dot com and sign up for free so we just spoke with pentagon. press secretary. John kirby you may remember last week it was he who announced from the briefing room at the pentagon that the defense department had stood up five active duty medical teams to help civilian hospitals here in the us that are overrun by kovic patients. Late last week we saw the arrival of the first of those active duty uniform teams navy personnel arriving at a hospital lafayette louisiana to help the doctors and nurses there who have been overrun by way too many way too sick cova patients for weeks now loud sustained standing ovation for those navy personnel. That was late last week. Now we have word of three more of those active duty uniform military teams deploying a team of twenty active duty air force medical personnels headed to baton rouge louisiana to assist our lady of the lake medical center. We spoke with that hospital's chief medical officer just ten days ago about the very bad situation there. Our lady of the lake already got one influx of over thirty federal medical personnel from the department of health and human services. That was not enough. Now they're also getting twenty more and nurses and respiratory therapists from the united states. Air force to more of those active duty defense department teams are deploying as well to mississippi at least twenty medical personnel from the us air force arriving at the university of mississippi medical center jackson this weekend. Twenty army medical personnel headed to north mississippi medical center in tupelo. You will recall that. This isn't the first federal help. Mississippi's receive. They also got a federal de met disaster medical assistance teams from health and human services To set up a field hospital in the parking garage at that university medical center in jackson now in addition to that they've got these air force and army personnel arriving to provide further help. There are three vaccines that have been in use in the united states for months now. Pfizer madeira and johnson and johnson. Before today all three of those vaccines were approved under something called emergency use authorization millions and millions and millions of doses safely administered of all three vaccines. They've all proven to be effective at keeping you from getting infected if you do still get infected. They're very effective. At reducing. Your chance of getting dangerously ill the states that are so overrun right. Now it's basically because of low uptake vaccines in those states but today interesting progress when for the first time. The fda granted full unqualified not emergency use authorization to the pfizer vaccine for everybody age. Sixteen and up. That's a sort of graduation for pfizer from emergency youth authorization to full approval and that today cleared the way. For among other things a new mandate for all active duty servicemembers to get vaccinated. They'd been waiting on full approval of the vaccine at the fda to do that. That full approval has been granted. The dod is now moving ahead within hours of the full approval. Cvs pharmacy chain several state university systems. The nation's largest school system in new york city they all also announced vaccine mandates for their employees experts. Tell us we should probably expect more of that in coming days. Speaking of experts joining us now is dr jaw. He's dean of the school of public health at brown university. Dr john nice to make time to be here. Thanks for making time tonight. Rachel why is it logical for there to be a link between requiring the vaccine at a place like the defense department or new york city schools or cvs as an employer. Why is there a link between that and full approval. One is the vaccine have to have to prove to get full approval that it didn't have to prove in order to get that previous level of approval so first and foremost isn't necessarily a link lots of organizations my university for instance mandated vaccines well before the full approval happened. What the full approval does is. He gives people a lot. More confidence Some people feel like it's going to be legally a little bit as gonna stand up well though the courts have found that mandatory vaccine orders based on an easy way is totally fine. I think much more a psychological boost than it is a legal one for mandatory vaccines when it comes to the states that have low vaccine uptake. That receiving are that are experiencing such a terrible inflex right now. I'm happy to see federal resources including active duty military uniform resources deployed states like mississippi and louisiana. So clearly need them. It does feel like a drop in the bucket. Though twenty workers here a handful of doctors they are given the scale of the problem. And how the case numbers are continuing to rise in the states where the hospitals are already overrun. Is the federal government going to have to ramp up its ability to help in those overrun states. Do we have other resources we can. We can bring to bear. Yes the first and foremost it's worth remembering. This is all completely preventable. If people got vaccinated we would not be seeing this. We're not seeing this in vermont. Were not seeing this in massachusetts. Our not seeing it in highly vaccinated places sack in. You're absolutely right. We're still seeing so many infections and those people are going to hospitals in the days and weeks and months ahead so we've got a really hunker down for what's gonna be many many many weeks of difficult times. I think the federal government's gonna end up having to do a lot more for these states and ultimately they're going to get out of it by vaccinating a lot. More people of this is not the solution to make vaccines. Czar actress actresses the dean of the school public health brown university. Dr john it's always a pleasure and an honor to have you here. Thanks for thanks for your time tonight. Sir we've got more ahead tonight. Stay with us indulge me for just a moment. This did not get a ton of press in the united states today. But i think it is astonishing and i want you to see it There's a prison in iran. That is such a notoriously bad place. That i a random have heard of it. I don't know the names of any other prisons in iran But i know evine prison. Ev i n. Evine prison is in fact such a standout place for such bad stuff that the prison itself has been sanctioned by the us for human rights abuses of in prison in tehran among other things is where iran locks up its political prisoners including those with western ties. You might remember it from two thousand nine. When iran held to americans there for seven hundred eighty one days on totally made up charges of espionage. You might remember evine prison from two thousand fourteen. When a journalist from the washington post was held there for five hundred forty four days also on completely fabricated trumped up charges that journalist jason resume on believes he was held basically as a bargaining chip for the iran nuclear deal negotiations which were underway at the time. Back in two thousand and three canadian journalist was arrested just for taking pictures of a protest outside of in prison. She ended up being beaten to death in a different iranian. Prison just days later. So if in prison has a backstory it's known worldwide and it's not a place we ever get to see the inside of barely get to see the outside. That's why this is so nuts today. The associated press and voice of america released footage that had been given to them by hackers. Who say they infiltrated evine prison. And among other things they got access to its close circuit security cameras. The associated press doing due diligence. They talked to four former prisoners. Who had served time at evine who all confirmed that the footage does indeed look like areas. They recognize inside the prison. This is the part. I can't get over though this watch this. This is reportedly the control room inside evine or the guards monitor the close circuit security cameras all day long every day. And if this video is what the hackers say it is it shows in lifetime the guards. They're learning that they have been hacked. Watch this watch the screens. I one of their monitors starts flashing red. A message pops up. What's that you see the guy react and then boom a whole bunch of the screen start flashing red that say message pops up everywhere message. Look at his screen on his desk. The message in farsi reportedly reads cyberattack and then later says general protests until the freedom of political prisoners. But just impossible to get your head around that this may actually be footage in real time of the moment when the jailers running the most opaque notorious prison in iran learn that everyone everywhere will soon be able to see everything they can see will soon be able to see what they have been up to. Government of iran is not commenting on. What may or may not have happened here. Iranian state media has not acknowledged. This happened at all but we may the footage of what happened in the moment. They realized they been breached. Just an incredible thing. Watch this space. This is a melodramatic way to be doing it. A midnight swearing in seriously. Yes midnight tonight at one minute. After midnight kathy hokka will be sworn in as governor of the great state of new york that will officially make kathy hoke one of only nine female governors in the whole country and i should doubt four of those nine. I got to those positions through succession rather than election. Meaning the dude who got elected to the job got turfed out for some reason so they ascended to the job because of the unexpected vacancy cut. The local of course was lieutenant. Governor andrew cuomo. He is leaving office tonight following the publication of a scathing report. By new york's attorney general tips. James report that accused him of sexually harassing eleven women. We've been able to get this up on screen yet. we just got this moments ago yes. This reportedly is andrew. Cuomo's resignation letter and it sure does look authentic. We received this just moments ago Soon to be former governor cuomo continues to deny the allegations against him even as he leaves office but in anticipation of her taking over the top job. Tonight kathy whole has started out her governorship by already appointing two women to top posts in her cabinet. As if this all wasn't dramatic enough it will become official at a minute past midnight tonight. A midnight swearing. That does oppress. 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"Yeah, the election was stolen and really Trump won and Biden didn't win, but they should move on from that and work on the next election where incidentally, he's hoping to be on the ballot for United States Senate. That crowd was absolutely not having it. And you can tell in that footage, congressman Brooks seemed to be shocked by that reaction. Surprise. Yeah, I thought Frankenstein would love his creator as well. But in the wake of that just screaming, rejection from his own base voters on that point, mo Brooks has since flipped again. Now insisting in an online statement, quote, let me be clear, the 2020 election was fraught with voter fraud and election theft on a massive scale. Trump won the election. I support audits of state 2020 election results I eagerly await their findings is trying to go back to that way of dealing with the issue. The man knows what side his bread is buttered on. But as for him eagerly awaiting the supposed state audits of the election results, he is going to have to wait longer, along with anybody else who's in the same boat with him. The flagship ridiculous 2020 election audit is of course the one in Arizona. It was April when Republicans in the Arizona legislature first handed over. Most of the actual ballots from Arizona's presidential election and tons of voting equipment handed it over to a QAnon promoting Trump election conspiracy theorist who runs a one man band company called cyber ninjas. That company and the Arizona Republicans said their so called audit of Arizona's election results would take three weeks. It's now been 5 months and counting. They had said last week that the report from that audit would be in by Friday this past Friday. It was not in by Friday, then they said it would be in by today. But then at the end of the day today, Arizona Republicans released a statement saying, quote, unfortunately, cyber ninjas, CEO, Doug Logan, and two other members of the 5 person audit team have tested positive for COVID-19 and are quite sick. And therefore, the report on the audit will not be submitted today. And that, of course, is terrible news. And we wish them all the best. Arizona's Republican Senate president Karen fan told the Arizona mirror today that one of the three people on the audit team who has COVID is not just quite sick with COVID, but actually hospitalized with COVID related pneumonia, which is terrible. Again, we wish them the best, whoever they are. But I will tell you, even this part remains mysterious. First of all, this assertion that three people of the 5 person audit team are very sick with COVID is the first news anybody's had that there's a 5 person audit team. Who's on the team? Who are the other four people besides Doug Logan? It's like when people talk about Doug Logan running a company called cyber ninjas. That technically is true, but has anybody ever turned up a single employee of cyber ninjas other than Doug Logan? It's kind of just a one man band. I mean, they've had millions of ballots from the Arizona election and all of this elections equipment from Maricopa County for 5 months for their audit that was supposed to take three weeks. The Arizona Senate president who hired this entity, the cyber ninjas to do the audit. She's supposedly been supervising it all along. She expressed surprise to local reporters today. Surprise at this COVID news. Because that was the first that she learned. There was a 5 person audit team producing this audit. She reportedly says she doesn't know who else other than Doug Logan is on this 5 person team. A former Republican official named Ken Ben, who has served as the Senate liaison for the audit. Basically, he's been the person in charge of explaining to the press and the public what's going on with the audit for all these 5 months. He said today, after the statement came out saying the report was not coming, and it was because three people on the 5 person audit team has COVID, he said today that not only did he not know it was a 5 person audit team. And not only did he know not know who's on this 5 person audit team, he said today that he actually thought it was a 9 person audit team. If so, what happened to the other four? This deep into the process, they purport to have absolutely no idea what's happening. In any case, the contention now is that the audit report is not ready even today because the head of cyber ninjas and maybe some other people, although we don't know who they are, are very sick with COVID, but nobody knows who they are or what their actual involvement is. I will tell you Arizona Republicans also announced today that aside from the COVID problem, they're actually still not done with the audit anyway. Something something ballot envelope, something something. So maybe it's going to take another week or so, this is the very professional audit that Trump world trusts. Because they believe the results of this audit will make way more sense and be way more solid and be way less shady than actually just looking at the certified election results from the county in the state. Mo Brooks is eagerly awaiting the results of this audit to find out what the real story is. So we're following those developing stories tonight. There's also late breaking news tonight about, do you remember my boyfriend's left and Igor? Love Parnas and Igor fruman. Were colleagues of Trump lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, mister Parnas and mister fruman were arrested in 2019 and charged among other things with allegedly funneling large illegal foreign donations to a PAC supporting Trump's reelection and to other Republican candidates, both Parnas and Igor fruman pled not guilty. Mister Parnas had since made public claims, including on this show, that he was basically bamboozled into a plot by Giuliani and Trump and some other Trump world figures to try to wheedle dirt out of the nation of Ukraine that could be used against Joe Biden in the 2020 election. That plot, of course, ultimately led to Trump impeachment number one. Love Parnas has publicly named not just Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump, but also Trump administration officials, including William Barr, the former attorney general, as having been in the loop on some of that scam, mister Parnas has passed a fairly high profile figure since he was charged, even as he's fighting these charges and pleading not guilty. Mister Froome has been much less of a high profile figure, but it is mister Freeman Igor, who is apparently going to change his plea from not guilty to guilty. A change of plea notice was docketed in his case today. He'll have a hearing on that matter before a federal judge in the southern district of New York on Wednesday. Now, in the filings around that Wednesday hearing at the hearing itself, we may learn the circumstances of his guilty plea, whether this means he is turning state's evidence, whether this means Igor fruman is cooperating with prosecutors to tell them what he knows about other people's actions, other potential crimes. Because of Igor fruman's links with former president Trump and mister Giuliani, because of the subsequent revelations about mister Giuliani being under federal criminal investigation for his part and whatever they were doing in Ukraine, Igor, the man you see here on the right with president Trump, Igor pleading guilty, has to be a very uncomfortable making development for parts of Trump world tonight. If his guilty plea is going to be accompanied by a cooperation deal with federal prosecutors, we shall see. So we're following that. Also, coming up in just a moment, we're going to be speaking here with John Kirby. Admiral John Kirby, the spokesperson at the press secretary at The Pentagon with lots to talk with him about today with the FDA giving full gold standard approval to the Pfizer vaccine against COVID-19, that cleared the way within hours today for The Pentagon to institute a new requirement that all active duty U.S. troops must be vaccinated. That's fascinating new development today at the Defense Department and we'll have big implications in terms of how quickly it's rolled out and what happens to service members who may refuse to get vaccinated, even though they're required to get lots of other vaccines as part of their service. Admiral Kirby, of course, has also been the main explainer to the public in the press on the urgent and increasingly massive U.S. airlift effort to evacuate Americans on our Afghan allies out of Afghanistan. The Pentagon announcing today that between yesterday and today, they got nearly 11,000 people evacuated in one 24 hour period. They had said last week, their maximum range was 5 to 9000 people being evacuated per day. They evacuated nearly 11,000 in the last 24 hours. That means the pace of this evacuation is picking up substantially. We'll talk with admirably about whether or not they aim to sustain that rapid pace. Admiral Kirby has also sort of Cajun fielded questions. Cajun addressed recent reporting that U.S. forces are now at least occasionally using helicopters to go get people and bring them to the Kabul airport amid increasingly desperate and dangerous circumstances outside the gates and blast walls of the airport. That sort of aggressive exfiltration effort by air has been of great interest as we have seen the scenes outside the gates of the airport just get more harrowing and more dangerous each day. And as we hear about terrorist threats against those crowds outside the airport, you may have also seen the reporting this weekend. About a woman, an evacuee from Afghanistan, who literally gave birth to a baby on board. One of the U.S. Military C 17 evacuation plans, just after it landed at ramstein Air Force Base in Germany. It's just a crazy story. It puts your heart in your throat to know that this woman was this pregnant this close to delivering when she got herself and her family on board that C 17, and then to have given birth on the tarmac onboard the plane, the U.S. servicemen and women are racing on board that cargo plane delivering the baby right then and there on board the plane before they were even able to disembark her. Mother and baby are both reportedly doing fine. But I have to tell you that dramatic situation this weekend led to this question and surprise answer at The Pentagon press briefing this afternoon. I don't know if you've seen this footage today. It started one way and then went dramatically off the rails to the surprise of everybody except one person in the room. And went off the rails not in a bad way, but in a way that definitely makes me want to know more. Watch. I'm curious garnier with newsy. General alliance, our meds being provided for each flight, I know there's a concern about capacity because you're trying to get as many people on. But our medics being provided and the reason why I ask that is because there are reports that a woman had a baby during one of the flights. And so do you have medics that will be on board that will be able to handle any sort of emergency situations that may come up if someone has a baby or balls and get sick or something in that instance. Yes. It's a great question. We do not have medics on every flight. There is a medical screen as part of the screening and boarding process and but I'll confess to you that many people would have to self identify any kind of medical issue. Really exciting. I mean, I really appreciate the news reporting on the baby being born as that flight came into ramstein. Matter of fact, there's actually been more than that. So it's just a just an incredible, incredible operation ongoing just impressive work by our great airmen. I'm sorry. What do you mean by more than a bit more than one baby? How many babies? More than one baby. No, no. Well, my last data point was three. I don't have a formal tracker, but those were so we'll keep you posted. All right, sir. All right, well, we'll file it. We'll follow up and try to get you information on the other two. You're all the reporters go wait a second, did he say there's been more than that? Does he mean when he says more than that he means more babies? There's more little babies. Somebody actually says, there's more little babies. There's more than one baby. Admiral John Kirby, obviously flummoxed by this as well. Did you just say three babies, sir? We'll get more on the baby situation. Admiral John Kirby said he would get more on that to explain. He's here with us next and stay with us. Saw your home is expensive and stressful. 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John Kirby was the voice of the joint chiefs during the height of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. John Kirby can also be seen here. In this photo, with former defense secretary, Chuck Hagel, John Kirby was his spokesperson at The Pentagon for a while, too. That was before mister Kirby went on to become spokesperson for the Secretary of State when John Kerry was Secretary of State under president Obama. He's had these very high visibility jobs at The Pentagon at the State Department. He's also a rear admiral in the United States Navy, John Kirby served in the navy as the public affairs officer for the blue angels. He served as the editor in chief of the navy's magazine, he served as chief spokesperson for the Department of the Navy. These days he is back at the Department of Defense, reprising his role as Pentagon press secretary. This time in the Biden administration for a Defense Department that is now led by secretary Lloyd Austin. John Kirby has been a very, very high profile person in Washington for a long time. Right now, he has one of the most difficult and most scrutinized jobs in Washington, because right now, daily, sometimes multiple times per day, he is briefing the Defense Department press corps, which is not a bunch of pushovers. Briefing them, briefing through them, the rest of the world as the United States attempts to wind down its longest war and engages in a big, very, very difficult, very contested evacuation effort in Afghanistan. Just today, John Kirby has already briefed the press twice. Two separate Pentagon briefings already today. On everything from helicopter exfiltrations of Afghan evacuees to evacuation flights and their numbers to babies being born on board those evacuation flights. He's done a lot of work already today, but I still have more questions than he has been kind enough to join us tonight to come answer them. Admiral Kirby, thank you so much. I know it's been a long couple of weeks even a long day today. Thank you for being here tonight. My pleasure, Rachel, thank you. Let me start by asking you not about the most important thing but something my interest was very piqued by today at the second Pentagon briefing you did today. In which we learned that there wasn't just one baby born on one of these flights, one of these evacuation flights this weekend at ramstein and Germany, but the general who you were briefing with actually said there's been three babies born in these circumstances? Yeah, that's right. He surprised everybody, including me on that. This is general Steve Lyons. He's the commander of U.S. transportation command. And we wanted him to come in and talk to our press corps about the incredible logistics effort that is going into moving east thousands of people out of Afghanistan and to temporary safe havens elsewhere as a work their way back to the United States. And right at the end of the briefing, he got asked about the one baby that we knew had been born because there was a great great photographs of that, of course. And he let it slip that. In fact, actually two others had been born so we end the press court here at The Pentagon or trying to chase down the details on that because it's just a great story. And just another indication of the humanity and the professionalism and the kindness with which U.S. Military members are really treating their important evacuation work. It also tells you about the humanity and the desperation of the people who are getting out. I mean, for somebody to be not just pregnant, but pregnant upon the moment of potentially delivering somebody who's going to go into labor during the flight and still at that moment, putting themselves in peril, taking their fragile selves and their families and getting themselves on board one of those military transports. I mean, the extremists that these women and their families are in to be able to do this, it does make me wonder about the kinds of medical resources that are being made available to these refugees, the kinds of resources that they need once they land. How long they're staying at the initial place they first land once they're taken out of Afghanistan? What can you tell us about that? So there's some initial medical screening at Kabul before they get onto a flight. We want to make sure that they're okay. So there's some medical treatment there. There are in the general said this there's no medical personnel on these flights. We're saving every available space for passengers for people that want to get out. Who are as you rightly said, Rachel desperate to leave. So we're not putting medical personnel on these flights. But then when they get to these these temporary safe havens or staging bases, if you will, for onward movement, they again are evaluated for any medical issues and given a chance to get some more screening there. And then, of course, when they get back to the United States, we go through that again. We definitely screen them for COVID at some of these staging bases. All of them are getting screened for COVID when they get to the United States right now. They're coming in to tell us and then so they're constantly throughout the process. Medical personnel that are trying to look after them as best we can. Is there going to be a sort of call to the American people? And civil society organizations in the United States to help resettle people to do community resettlement efforts to donate things that these new families may leave to find them housing to get them in English the second language courses. If they're going to be resettling here. I mean, I know that not everybody's going to be coming to the United States. But thousands are, is there call now from the U.S. government? Indeed, from the Defense Department of the American people to step up and help. We're actually starting to see that Rachel. I mean, certainly, lots of non governmental organizations are already helping the State Department and DHS as they as these Afghans are ready to move into American society. They're already going to relocation centers and getting help starting their new lives. Absolutely. But you know the commanding general of fort blis Texas, where some have already gone for this to follow on final paperwork that they have to complete before they can become citizens has said that he's been deluged with phone calls and emails from the people living outside for Texas. Just wanting to know what they can do. Blankets food, whatever they can do to help. So we're already starting to see the American people and many of these communities really reach out and want to do what they can to help what will be their future fellow citizens. I will tell you just anecdotally from our experience, we're just a cable news show that covers this process, and that's covered some individual stories of people who have been evacuated with their families. And we have been inundated with requests just from our viewers in terms of how they can help. And so I know that you're in a different role as the press spokesman at The Pentagon, but I think there is a real hunger among the general public watching this to want to step up and do something, especially as we learn more about how hard these flight crews are working and how hard these thousands of U.S. troops are working to try to make the best of this very difficult situation. I do think there is public appetite to do something sort of put our money where our mouth is to be part of this process in some way. I don't know if that's I mean, I doubt we'll hear that from you with the podium. But I do feel like I do feel like we have to hear that from the administration from the government in some way, because that needs to be channeled in some way. It's too valuable to leave on the table. It seems to me. No, I agree, Rachel, and I think, you know, this is what's quintessentially so great about our country. Americans are a generous lot and we are an immigrant nation. And we are used to these stories. The sad and desperate though they may be, and are used to reaching out to people that are in need and really want to start a new life here. So I think just that one little basic in Texas is just one small example. I think you're going to see that all over the country. And again, that's one of the great things about living in this country. And I think these Afghans, that'll be something that they take away too. Tell me about something that you have received lots of hard questions about all last week and over the weekend and today, which is the issue of safe passage out. Obviously, getting control of the airport, getting control of the tarmac, getting control of the runway, lining up these staging bases for onward movement as you were describing all of that. We've seen the military source systematically get that in order and we have simultaneously seen the number of evacuees rise to this incredible number of nearly 11,000 in one 24 hour period, just between Sunday and today. But there is still the front end issue of how people get themselves into that safe system. How people get into the airport, how not just Americans, but people linked to the U.S. government, people who are asking, vacuuming, so we are otherwise going to priorities. Prioritize how they're going to get out. Tell me about big picture progress toward making more safe that part of their journey. So there's a couple of pieces here. You might have heard me talk about this a little bit ago. We are in constant daily communication with Taliban leaders who are outside the airport. And we have been making it clear to them what their credentials look like. Who we want to see get through their checkpoints, who are absolutely entitled to get on these flights. And thus far, though there have been certainly cases of harassment and even violent harassment of some qualified individuals, by and large, these American citizens and the special immigrant Visa applicants are being able to work through those checkpoints. We are also in communication with the Taliban about making it easier for the safety of a more safe perimeter around the field so that there are fewer crowds because crowds have also been an impediment, not from violence perspective, just from a dense perspective. So we're working with them to try to make sure that there is enough access around the airport for people to get in more freely and we are working every day. Our commanders on the ground are pursuing opportunities to make access and passage to the field easier and safer for Americans in these SIV applicants, some pretty creative ideas that they're putting into place. And obviously it's a dangerous environment. We have a legitimate counter terrorism threat there, terrorism threat around the airport that we have to take seriously. But once we get them onto the field, then they go through a whole series of processing and manifesting as I said, medical screening, make sure they have food and water. And we try to get them on the very next flight out that's available. And these flights, at least yesterday, Rachel, they were leaving one almost every hour. Now we hope to be able to continue that sort of pace going forward. Obviously, it's weather dependent. It's population dependent. But that's the kind of that's the kind of throughput that we're trying to reach so that we can keep these numbers up for as long as possible. Should we expect to see more evacuations more transit to the airport aided by U.S. helicopters? Now you have talked about this a little bit at the end of last week and also today that there have been a couple of helicopter born U.S. U.S. facilitated movements. One from a group that was very close to the airport and now that was described as elsewhere in Kabul. Should we expect there to be more of those? That obviously seems like a sort of tidy answer to it from those of us looking from this distance, or is there something that's particularly dangerous about those helicopter airlifts that we don't understand? That means that that will continue to be quite limited. Well, the commanders on the ground certainly have the authorities they need to pursue opportunities to bring people in. And one of the means that they're disposal is of course rotary aircraft helicopters. And we have done that on a couple of occasions. I certainly wouldn't rule out that we would do it again. If it was the best way. And that's really what it comes down to Rachel's. What's the best most effective and what's the safest way to get Americans and other SIV applicants into the airport? And so again, sometimes helicopters are the answer. Sometimes not. And they're pursuing all kinds of different opportunities to make this happen. So I certainly wouldn't rule it out, but it is not the only way in which we are encouraging and trying to facilitate the safe passage of people into the airport. Let me ask you about one very different perspective on this, which is obviously we saw the Taliban takeover of the country almost every province in the country. In some cases, without firing a shot, including walking into Kabul without it having to be a military victory. It was essentially arranged, as far as we can tell. But there is resistance to The Pentagon. We have seen demonstrations. First by women by brave women in Kabul, then by larger groups of people in eastern Afghanistan and southeastern Afghanistan, we're now seeing organized resistance. Speaking out and getting some international press from the punchier valley, we saw anti Taliban fighters take back some parts of a different province over the weekend, although the Taliban now says they fought and brought those back. If there is significant resistance to Taliban rule, is the U.S. going to ignore that? Or is there provision in our post war planning to give assistance to those who are resisting Taliban rule and who are indeed maybe fighting them for control of parts of the country? Well, I certainly wouldn't get ahead of policy decisions that haven't been made on that Rachel. What I can tell you is that our presence there at the airport, the 5800 troops that we have right now, their focus is really on three things, making sure we can defend that airport and keep it there operations going. And then work in the evacuation mission to the maximum degree that we can. And then number three, making sure that we are as appropriate reaching out to American citizens who need to be brought in and finding out ways to do that. That's really what our focus is on right now and I think we have been very clear in the military mission is really confined to those three things. And I wouldn't want to speculate about what might be in the offing for the future. John Kirby, Pentagon press secretary, making the most of what has already been a very, very long day by staying up so late with us tonight, sir. Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it. Anytime you'd like to come back, we'd love to have you back. Thank you, Rachel, my pleasure. All right. 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They've been waiting on full approval of the vaccine at the FDA to do that. That full approval has been granted the DoD is now moving ahead. Within hours of the full approval, CVS Pharmacy chain, several state university systems, the nation's largest school system in New York City, they all also announced vaccine mandates for their employees. Experts tell us we should probably expect more of that in coming days. Speaking of experts joining us now is doctor ashika, he's dean of the school of public health at Brown university. Doctor Johnson, nicely to make time to be here. Thanks for making time tonight. Thanks for having me back, Rachel. Why is it logical for there to be a link between requiring the vaccine at a place like the Defense Department or New York City schools or CVS and employer? Why is there a link between that and full approval? What does the vaccine have to have to prove to get full approval that it didn't have to prove in order to get that previous level of approval? Yeah, so first and foremost, there isn't necessarily a link. Lots of organizations, my university, for instance, mandated vaccines well before the full approval happened. What the full approval does is it gives people a lot more confidence. Some people feel like it's going to be legally a little bit. It's going to stand up well, though the courts have found that mandatory vaccine orders based on an EUA is totally fine. So I think this is much more a psychological boost than it is a legal one from mandatory vaccines. When it comes to the states that have low vaccine uptake that are receiving that are experiencing such a terrible influx right now, I'm happy to see federal resources, including millet active duty military uniform resources, deployed to states like Mississippi and Louisiana, so clearly need them. It does feel like a drop in the bucket, though. 20 workers here, a handful of doctors there. Given the scale of the problem and how the case numbers are continuing to rise in these states where the hospitals are already overrun. Is the federal government going to have to ramp up its ability to help in those overrun states? Do we have other resources we can bring to bear? Yeah, so first and foremost, it's worth remembering this is all completely preventable. If people have gotten vaccinated, we would not be seeing this. We're not seeing this in Vermont. We're not seeing this in Massachusetts. We're not seeing it in highly vaccinated places. Second, you're absolutely right. We're still seeing so many infections and those people end up in hospitals and their days and weeks and months ahead. So we've got a really hunker down for what's going to be many, many, many weeks of difficult time. So I think the federal government risk can end up having to do a lot more for these states. And ultimately, they're going to get out of it by vaccinating a lot more people. 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That journalist Jason rezaian believes he was held basically as a bargaining chip for the Iran nuclear deal negotiations, which were underway at the time. Back in 2003, a Canadian journalist was arrested just for taking pictures of a protest outside of in prison. She ended up being beaten to death in a different Iranian prison, just days later. So if being in prison has a backstory, it's known worldwide. And it's not a place we ever get to see the inside of. We barely get to see the outside of it. That's why this is so nuts. Today, The Associated Press and Voice of America released footage that had been given to them by hackers, who say they infiltrated Evie in prison and among other things, they got access to its closed circuit security cameras. The Associated Press doing its due diligence, they talked to four former prisoners who had served time intervene who all confirmed that the footage does indeed look like areas they recognize inside the prison. 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And I should doubt four of those 9 first got to those positions through Succession rather than election, meaning the dude who got elected to the job got turfed out for some reason. So they ascended to the job because of the unexpected vacancy. Kathy hoka, of course, was lieutenant governor to Andrew Cuomo. He is leaving office tonight, following the publication of a scathing report by New York's attorney general tis James, a report that accused him of sexually harassing 11 women. Have we been able to get this up on screen yet? We just got this moments ago, yes. This reportedly is Andrew Cuomo's resignation letter. And it sure does look authentic. We received this just moments ago. Soon to be former governor Cuomo continues to deny the allegations against him even as he leaves office, but in anticipation of her taking over the top job tonight, Kathy hoka has started out her governorship by already appointing two women to two top posts in her cabinet. As if this all wasn't dramatic enough, it will all become official at a minute past midnight tonight. A midnight swearing, and that does it for us tonight. I will see you again tomorrow. Way too early is up next. This morning, President Biden is facing mounting pressure from Congress and the international community to extend evacuation efforts in Afghanistan. But with the Taliban warning of consequences if the U.S. exit is delayed, the question is, will the president keep troops in Kabul past August? Plus, Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine gets full approval from the FDA, a milestone that could help increase vaccination rates. The question is, will this kick off new mandates from private companies and schools? A new overnight, Kathy hoku has been sworn in as New York's first female governor, the transfer of power took place at 1201 a.m.. The question is, what's that first order of business? It's way too early for this. Good morning and welcome to way too early the show that is proud to see another glass ceiling shattered. I'm Katie Kay on this Tuesday August 24th and we'll start with the news. With an August 31st deadline now just one week away. President Biden is facing mounting pressure to extend the evacuation mission in Afghanistan. At a virtual meeting with G 7 leaders later this morning, some of America's top allies will reportedly press the president to keep U.S. troops at the Kabul airport passed August to U.S. officials tell NBC News that President Biden is expected to make a decision later today on whether to extend that deadline. The U.S. Military has informed The White House that will take three to four days to get the roughly 6000 troops and remaining embassy staff out of Kabul that would mean the U.S. would need to start moving troops out by the end of this week in order to meet that August 31st deadline. A spokesperson for the Taliban told Sky News yesterday that the United States would be crossing a red line if the Biden administration kept troops in August past that date. Here's what national security adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters yesterday yesterday when he was asked about the deadline. As I said, we are engaging with the Taliban consulting with the Taliban on every aspect of what's happening in Kabul right now. On what's happening at the airport on how we need to ensure that there is facilitated passage to the airport for American citizens. Third country nationals and so forth will continue those conversations with them. Ultimately, it will be the president's decision how this proceeds no one else's. Meanwhile, the U.S. is ramping up evacuations in Kabul nearly 11,000 people were airlifted out during a 12 hour period yesterday and that brings the total number of people evacuated to approximately 48,000 since August 14th. Following a classified briefing late last night, House intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff expressed doubt that evacuations in Afghanistan could be completed by the end of this month. I think it's possible, but I think it's very unlikely. Given the number of Americans who still need to be evacuated, the number of SIV is the number of others who are members of the Afghan press civil society leaders, women leaders, it's hard for me to imagine all of that can be accomplished between now and the end of the month. Meanwhile, The White House press secretary Jen Psaki had a sharp response to Fox News reporter yesterday who criticized the Americans in Afghanistan, saying they were, quote, stranded. First of all, I think it's irresponsible to say Americans are stranded. They are not. We are committed to bringing Americans who want to come home home. We are in touch with them via phone, via text, via email, via any way that we can possibly reach Americans to get them home if they want to return home. There are no Americans stranded is The White House's official position on what's happening in Afghanistan. I'm just calling you out first thing that we are stranding Americans in Afghanistan when I set when we have been very clear that we are not leaving Americans who want to return home. We are going to bring them home. And I think that's important for the American public to hear and understand. Now contributor at new lines magazine and author emron farrows. His most recent book has been published in Germany titled the longest war 20 years of the war on terror. And when you look at the situation on the ground, you know The White House is meeting to make a decision on this deadline of August the 31st today. What's your sense of what President Biden is going to do about that deadline? Well, I think we should be clear about what happened during the last weeks and months, the U.S. brought itself to this mess, and now it's difficult to solve it. I mean, I think it's rather unrealistic equation would be finished within the week if the announcement is final and this will really be the final deadline. It will just cause much more panic and much more crowds of Afghans will run towards the kabu airport. There is still a huge chaos over there. And to be honest, I don't know how to solve it now. The U.S. did many mistakes during the last month and actually years and brought itself to this mess. The Taliban have said publicly that this August 31st deadline is what they're calling a red line. What do you think their calculations are, though, behind closed doors? I mean, in some ways, if the U.S. extends the deadline, does the Taliban then have an excuse to say, look, the U.S. has broken the deal, we have a right now to retaliate against Afghan who are trying to leave or against U.S. forces. They could use it as an excuse for violence in effect. Yes, they could use it. I don't think that they will attack U.S. forces because it would be not the benefit for them because the Taliban won the deal with the U.S.. They got the withdrawal. It would be kind of stupid for them to find a new fight with the Americans, but the people who are now the targets are the Afghans because the Taliban controlling all the areas outside of the airport there are several thousand checkpoints and for these Afghans, it will be much more difficult to pass these checkpoints. It's already a huge chaos over there and probably the Taliban think that they will get much more political legitimation from the U.S. and other countries if they play, but I think that the other side, including the Americans, should also use this to put some pressure on them because otherwise it will be just a more peace meant the Americans did a lot during the last month. Emir and I've been hearing from Afghans who are stuck, I'm sure you have been hearing from Afghans who are stuck particularly those who are not even yet in Kabul. What do you think the situation is going to be for them if the Americans sit stick to this 31st of August deadline? And they can't get all of those Afghans who have helped or worked with U.S. or NATO allies out before the U.S. forces leave. There's already huge panic in this very moment. I'm in touch with people who work with not forces I'm in touch with former Afghan soldiers, all of them are hiding themselves. They fear that the Taliban will find them soon. And I and other colleagues, Friends of mine relatives of mine. We all busy to try to find ways to get them out. But I think, you know, I also already told some of them that let's be realistic, I don't think that all of this will work within a week. And it's very pessimistic because of course we don't know what will happen to them. They don't have any place to go afterwards. I mean, a lot of Afghans who can't go who can't leave in these days, the total majority of them will stay in the country, but a lot of them are already thinking of going to Iran or to Pakistan and living there is refugees because they don't know much about the country's future. And how the violence and everything will take shape. But especially the people who will not be evacuated, I think I don't have any optimistic analysis for what will happen to them and it's really depressing for me and for many other people who are involved in this. Okay, I'm Ron Farrell's. We thank you very much for joining us and do spare thought this morning all of you for those people who are managing to get out and leaving everything else behind and of course for those people who are still stuck and feeling terrified about what the future may bring. Still ahead, the Patriots will be without starting quarterback Cam Newton for the next few days after a misunderstanding about a COVID test and with three weeks to go until school starts in New York City. Will mayor Bill de Blasio lay out a new vaccine mandate for teachers and school staffers. And also a head congressman Brendan Boyle will be my guest later this hour. Democratic lawmakers spa over President Biden's multi $1 trillion budget blueprint, those stories and a check on the weather all coming right up. There is an assault on democracy. Scorching triple digit heat, the new space race begins. That is actually the potential America has always had. The change might be around the corner. 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They lift people up. They're a force for change. That's the Seattle storm. That's the WNBA. That's what they do. Even in sports, it's still about the vaccines. President Biden honoring the four time WNBA champions Seattle storm celebrating the team's success on the court as well as players activism in the first visit to The White House by pro basketball team since the NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers were hosted by president Obama. That was back in 2016. In a possible prelude to a run for U.S. Senate college football Hall of Famer Herschel Walker has registered to vote in Georgia, records show that walker registered last Tuesday at an Atlanta house owned by his wife, the 59 year old won the Heisman Trophy as a running back at the university of Georgia in 1982 before going pro and has been urged by former president Donald Trump to run for Senate as a Republican against Democrat Raphael Warnock, who next year walker has acknowledged he is considering a run, but has declined to discuss his plans. Turning now to the NFL where patriots rookie Mac Jones may get the opportunity to start under center for New England after quarterback Cam Newton was placed on the COVID list because of what team called a misunderstanding about coronavirus tests conducted away from NFL facilities. It comes after Newton went to a team approved doctor's appointment over the weekend that required him to travel outside New England. And while he tested negative each day, the unknown misunderstanding caused him to violate league protocols, possibly surrounding test sites or methods. Newton is now subject to so called reentry testing, that's a requirement for only unvaccinated players during which he will not be allowed inside the team facility until returning 5 straight days of negative tests while it's complicated, isn't it these days? Meanwhile, in Texas, the Dallas Cowboys added another three players to the covered list, making it a total of 5 players and coaches now sidelined by coronavirus as the team moves meetings to a virtual format as a precaution. And while the cowboys announced 93% of their players are fully vaccinated, the Minnesota Vikings have called in an expert to address what is reportedly the lowest vaccination rate in the league. The team hosted renowned epidemiologist doctor Michael osterholm yesterday to speak to players who are hesitant about receiving a shot. Turning now to Major League Baseball and the Boston Red Sox hosting the Texas Rangers will pick it up. At the bottom of the 11th inning, the game tide and Boston with the bases loaded. Three two coming. Game is over. It's deep to right field. Travis Shaw's Grand Slam walks the Red Sox off with an 8 to four victory. The wind coupled with Oakland's 5 to three lofts to the Mariners Boston one head. One game ahead of the athletics for the second American League wild card spot. The Yankees, meanwhile maintained their position in the postseason race halting the braves win streak at 9 games with a 5 to one victory last night while extending their own to ten in a row. But at least one of Atlanta's regulars caught a break last night. The braves between innings entertainer known as the freeze who typically speeds past overzealous participants given a head start, looked poised to lose last night's race in the outfield until the fan lost his balance and there you go, face planted just feet before the finish line and yes. The freeze wins again few. Second morning in a row and I got through it. Time now for the weather. Much safer ground for me. Let's go to meteorologist. Karen's for the forecast Bill. How's it looking? Better than it had been in New England as Henri Lee. And I think that race was fixed at the end there. That was looked like a dive to me. All right, so Henri yesterday did still bring some very heavy rain to areas that were hit for the second time and just look at the path of Henry. Came on shore while a Connecticut around border took a trip through Connecticut, went to the catskills and then decided to drive I 84 back through Connecticut and is now exiting Cape Cod. What a path for this storm and we're done with it. So this is still the peak of the tropical season. The first week of September is the actual peak. So this is the time of year we always have systems to track out there. We have three what we'll call areas of interest right now. Thankfully for us in the lower 48, none of these is heading directly for us. So I think we're going to have at least a week of pretty quiet conditions out there with no concerns for any landfalls or interactions with some heavy rain from any of those systems. But for today, it is hot in the middle of the country. It's going to stay that way. Temperatures today easily in the 90s from pretty much the planes all the way through the south to the east coast with heat indices feeling very hot and it's just that time of year. It's kind of the dog days of summer here when you get to the end of August. You're kind of waiting for that first cool shot from Canada. It's not coming anytime soon. It's going to remain very warm. Yeah, every day out in Washington here. Not much exercise being done in my house. I tell you, bill, thank you very much. And still ahead New York is waking up with a new governor this morning. Look at Kathy hokus swearing in ceremony as well as Andrew Cuomo's farewell speech. It was a bit odd. We'll be back with that in just a moment. Before treating your chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more. You're not the only one with questions about Botox. Botox prevents headaches and adults with chronic migraine before they even start. With about ten minutes of treatment, once every three months. So ask your doctor if Botox is right for you. And if a sample is available. Effects of Botox may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. Alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life threatening condition. 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Kathy hoku became the state's first female governor. The 62 year old former lieutenant general was sworn in at the stroke of midnight in the state capitol. She tweeted she was honored to be the state's 57th governor, a more formal ceremony. That's going to take place later this morning. She'll also deliver her first address as governor this afternoon, laying out her priorities, something she's refrained from doing while Andrew Cuomo was still governor for the first time a majority of the most powerful figures in New York State government will be women, including the state Senate majority leader, attorney general and the chief judge her call also announced her two top aides will be women. And governor hoker will be a guest tomorrow on morning Joe. It will be her first TV interview as governor. For the first time in a decade, the state of New York won't be governed by Andrew Cuomo. He submitted his resignation at midnight two weeks after announcing he would resign following a scathing report by the state attorney general's office, which found his sexually harassed 11 women and that his office was a hostile work environment. Cuomo, who has denied the harassment allegations did so again in a pre recorded farewell speech. There will be another time to talk about the truth and ethics of the recent situation involving me. But let me say now that when government politicizes allegations and the headlines condemn without facts, you undermine the justice system. And that doesn't serve women and it doesn't serve men or society. The attorney general's report was designed to be a political firecracker on an explosive topic. And it worked. There was a political and media stampede. But the truth will out in time. The former governor clearly not happy about the way this is all panned out ahead of his resignation a close aid to the 63 year old said, however, he has no interest in running for office again. The House select committee investigating the January 6th capitol riot is requesting the phone records of hundreds of people related to the attack, including members of Congress committee chair Bennet Thompson, refused to confirm which lawmakers would be targeted. Both House minority leader Kevin McCarthy and Ohio congressman Jim Jordan have said they spoke with the former president on the phone on January 6th. Jordan has said he doesn't recall what they discussed or what time he spoke to then president Donald Trump. Congresswoman Jamie Herrera butler said McCarthy was told her he was trying to get the former president to call off the mob. 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Expected, but still historic full approval of Pfizer's vaccine for people 16 and older marks another major milestone in the pandemic coming 97 days after the FDA began its official review. The first COVID vaccine to move beyond emergency use authorization. The new announcement expected to move the needle on future vaccinations. Those have been waiting for full approval. Should go get your shot now. The vaccination is free. It's easy. It's safe and it's effective. Immediately following FDA approval a wave of public, private and government employers announced they will now require staff to be vaccinated among them The Pentagon affecting 1.4 million active duty troops with many more expected to follow suit. New York City's Department of Education says, all 148,000 educators and staff will need to be at least partially vaccinated by the end of next month. Now we're already seeing a slew of organizations starting to require. And I think that this is going to be a trend and it's going to be a good trend. With the University of Virginia, disen rolling, hundreds of students who failed to get vaccinated, the FDA's full approval will strengthen legal standing and perhaps bolster inoculation rates. I hope and pray that goes down in American history as a real turning point in the COVID pandemic. Still, despite what doctors say, many are not convinced. I'm hesitant because I feel like it's so new and it just was a person. So is the honest. Hoping to build confidence the FDA followed some 20,000 Pfizer vaccine recipients, reviewing data for at least 6 months. There were some common side effects. The vaccine proving to be 91% effective. The FDA review process taking less than half the normal amount of time. I think if you go through all of the information that was posted, summarizing what FDA did, you'll see that there were no corners cut. Full approval for those who may not be fully confident. So how many more people get vaccinated now joining us now national reporter focusing on health policy for The Washington Post, yasmin uh brutali. Bias mean the approval of the fisa vaccine. Of course, that opens the way for more institutions around the country to call for vaccine mandates. Do you think we're now going to see a wave that it's been received that it has received this full approval? Is that going to mean we're going to see lots more institutions asking people to be vaccinated? I think we will. All the medical groups signed the letter a couple of weeks ago calling for healthcare workers to be mandated to get vaccines you saw. And then the Department of Veterans Affairs and of course President Biden calling on federal workers to get vaccinated. You saw a number of businesses follow suit. And we know from our reporting that many of them were waiting for the full approval of either the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccine because that makes it legally easier for them to withstand challenges and to be able to require these vaccines. You saw The Pentagon immediately after the FDA approval yesterday say it was going to move forward with mandating that members of the military get vaccinated. So I think all of these set a precedent and provide some cover for businesses that have been wanting to do this to go ahead and do it. Do you think the CDC has been a little behind the curve on not just mandates potentially, but on boosters as well. I think you've got reporting yasmine that Pfizer officials had a meeting with government representatives back in early July and they said, listen, we're going to need a Buddhist booster. We're seeing the studies come out of Israel. The data is showing that vaccines decline in the efficacy. And the CDC kind of dragged its feet. Yeah, I think that the booster debate was a little bit of a challenge for the administration in that there was some annoyance that Pfizer officials got ahead of the U.S. government in July saying they were going to move forward and file an application for an emergency use for a booster shot. And at that point, the delta wave hadn't quite taken hold in the U.S. in the same way it had a broad. So you saw the CDC and the FDA come out and say no, they're not needed at this time. Of course, only to reverse course a few weeks later . And I think that actually caused a lot of confusion because there was little public discussion about the potential of breakthrough cases at the time. And then, of course, this dramatic reversal just about a month later. And we have reported that the CDC has sort of been behind the curve on the delta wave because of the way they handle and publish data. And in many ways it put the U.S. behind the delta response because the data was coming in late, so by the time it was clear, breakthrough infections were happening that there might need to be booster shots for some vaccinated people. The delta wave was already responsible for more than 90% of cases in the country. Yeah, I mean, it looks from your reporting yasmine. It looks like inside The White House. There were similar delays when it came over delta because they didn't initially have the data that showed them that people who had had vaccines could get could also transmit the delta variant. I mean, how much were they missing earlier? I think they were missing a lot in July because the data wasn't there, and there were some assumptions based on earlier variants of the virus, which have behaved completely differently from Delta. Delta is much more contagious. It's able to evade some of the protection afforded by the vaccines. Of course, like you said now that there's clear evidence that vaccinated people are also able to transmit the virus. Of course, not to the same degree as unvaccinated people. They're still responsible for the bulk of infections in the country, but it is happening and that's important to take note of and for vaccinated people to know they can take appropriate precautions. And I think what you saw was we've completely loosened restrictions in May. People thought we were going to have this sort of summer of freedom like we detail and a couple of the articles. And then, of course, it's all dramatically changed in a matter of weeks and vaccinated people who thought they could sort of live their lives as normal before with full protection have had to reckon with the fact that the vaccines don't provide this impenetrable shield that we thought that they might. Yeah, unless you want the winter brings as well. The Washington Post, yasmin, Abu Talib. Thank you so much, Jasmine. 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One bill would eliminate the requirement that students be taught the quote history of white supremacy, including monotonic to the institution of slavery and the Ku Klux Klan. American history is livid with shameful policies, but it is also filled with freedom fighters. To teach our children anything else is to rob them of their heritage and the truth and they deserve better. House speaker Nancy Pelosi left the capital overnight without a finished vote to move forward with the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package. Centrist Democrats who have for weeks said they want the bipartisan infrastructure Bill voted on first, made good on their promise not to support a vote on the spending bill. Pelosi said the house will try again today at noon after a 9 a.m. caucus meeting. This as the chamber is feeling the pressure from senators who want the bipartisan bill done in a statement moderate Democrat Joe Manchin said the House should vote in the same order the Senate did on the bipartisan bill first, saying, quote, it would send a terrible message to the American people if this bipartisan bill is held hostage. I urge my colleagues in the house to move swiftly to get this once in a generation legislation to the president's desk for his signature. And the fate of the $3.5 trillion package is still uncertain. Senator Kristen sinema of Arizona is reiterating her position that she doesn't support the spending bill. Democrats will need the entire caucus in the Senate to vote in favor for it to pass while joining us now as member of the House budget in ways and means committees, democratic congressman Brendan Boyle of Pennsylvania, congressman. Thank you very much for coming because I know you've had like 5 minutes sleep because you were in the chamber until late last night. Tell us what was happening there overnight, because this is kind of the first person we've had straight from the floor. Yeah, so a bit of and thanks for having me on great to be with you even on a few hours sleep. Very much hurry up and wait. So we as House Democrats went into a caucus meeting at 5 30. I think it's fair to say the overwhelming majority of my caucus feels the same way I do that we agree with the speakers approach that this is the way to move forward to vote to begin the reconciliation process or put more accurately to vote on the build back better act, which is all of the non infrastructure aspects of the Biden agenda, which is enormously popular. We do have some holdouts, which is why we couldn't have the vote last night. But I am confident one way or the other, we will get this done as early as today. Okay, you're in the progressive caucus. It is those 9 moderate Democrats that are holding out from the conversations you were having with your colleagues in the moderate group last night. What do they want? What can you give them to get them to come on board? Yeah, so I mean, just to be to be clear, the overwhelming majority of moderates within our caucus. A couple of whom spoke and I won't reveal what they said there has been publicly reported. They were quite eloquent, including a couple of frontline members. We're in really tough seeds. We talked about yes, this might be a tough vote for them, but it goes to some of the core reasons why we are Democrats. We're talking about universal pre-K, child care, paid family leave for the first time in American history, free community college. So, you know, the good news is we have the agreement of about 97% of House Democrats, the challenges, giving small majority 99%. You need those 9. So how do you get them? Well, we don't need all 9, but we don't need some. So what do you give them? Yeah, so look, we're going to continue to have those conversations. I do think that to the best that we can rest assured everyone's minds that we're going to be voting on these measures together. No one's going to be left at the altar that it's not just going to be one or the other. It's going to be both it's going to be neither. And so as long as we have trust along the way, and people know that there will be a date certain that there will be a vote on the infrastructure Bill. I do think we will get this done. Are you worried that when you're talking about process as we have been doing for the last few minutes? And it's basically Democrats have been doing for the last week or two. You're kind of losing the country. And if I'm sitting out there, and I'm in Pennsylvania, your state. And I'm listening to what's happening in Washington, my eyes. My eyes are glazing over and I follow this every day. But my eyes are really glazing over. If I'm a voter thinking, this process is complicated. It's confusing. Can you just get it done? I want my child care a one my bridges. I want my broadband. I want the whole thing. Can they just get their act together rather than fighting them over yourself? You make it a very important point. I would draw a distinction though. That's interesting. When I'm back home, and when I used to have town halls in person and ever since COVID over the phone or over Zoom, I tend to not get the process questions, though, because most people tend to not care about that the same way we do. They don't necessarily want to know how the sauce is just made. They just care about those bottom line issues. So I would say that the focus is different. And when I'm having this town halls, I just focus, okay, here's what's on the bill. Here's what I believe we're going to deliver. Here's what is already happened in terms of the American rescue plan. The revolutionary change in this country underway just with the child tax credit alone. That's a major tax cut for families with children. More than 50% of children under the poverty line have now been lifted out of poverty because of what we did on that. So I tend to focus more on substance when I'm back home and I think that that's the right way to go. Yeah, I bet your constituents, thank you for it because the process is tricky to explain. Congressman, thank you very much for coming in. Good to join us so early in the morning. Thank you. And get some sleep. You needed after last night. Earlier talking of sleep earlier in the show, we asked, why are you awake? Well, Mary writes first day of my new job excited and nervous. I know how you feel, Mary. Joanie tweeted this, I'm up because we had a loud thunderstorm here in North Dakota and it woke my cat up. The king who wanted to be fed. I think you're spoiling your cat. 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Well, I would first say that the president is every intention of signing each of these pieces of legislation into law. And what I want to be clear with you all about is he supports speaker Pelosi's proposed path forward to get this process done. White House press secretary Jen Psaki yesterday reiterating the president's support of speaker Nancy Pelosi's plan to move forward with a vote on the $3.5 trillion budget resolution. Many centrist Democrats want to vote on the bipartisan infrastructure Bill first Pelosi has said the house will try again for a vote today, joining us now cofounder of punchbowl news Jake Sherman. He is an MSNBC political contributor Jake. So we just had Brennan Boyle who had been clearly on the floor last night until late. Had just got a couple of hours sleep coming in here, talking about the kinds of things they might need to give to moderates to get them on board. What do you think that group of moderates needs to break ranks and decide to stay with the group? I'm also running on just a few hours sleep. So excuse my tiredness. But so what we anticipate will happen is that Nancy Pelosi will give these moderates a date certain for an infrastructure vote. Sometime in September, or October, which is a significant step back from the original demand, which is that they vote on infrastructure before the budget. So I imagine that's what's going to happen today. I would say that the left's patience is running out and Nancy Pelosi's patience is running out with these moderates who I think congressman Boyle was right. Only represent a small number of House Democrats. But that's not the name of the game. And the name of the game is getting 218 people to vote for a piece of legislation. It's not about a proportion of what proportion of the caucus is against the plan. It's about getting that 218 votes that majority of the house are representatives to vote for a piece of legislation. It's all about the numbers and no one counts numbers like Nancy Pelosi and as the congressman also said, you don't actually need all 9 of those moderates. Could we see a situation which some of them come over to the Pelosi position and others don't, perhaps? I think Pelosi gives in before that happens. I mean, she only has a three vote cushion. Remember, this democratic majority in the House and the Senate is extraordinarily tenuous, the most tenuous majority we have seen probably in decades. So I imagine they all take that proverbial jump together rather than split apart. Presumably they all need now to start focusing on the plan itself and the benefits to the American people. And I imagine they want to at least a move away from the process of this, that what they want to be out there doing is selling to their public why the components of this $3.5 trillion plan are so popular with Americans rather than speaking about the internal divisions and these long hitches that they keep having and getting to a vote. Yeah, that's right. I mean, to be fair they have been talking about the substance. But we are, I would say caddy just turned to make it abundantly clear to everybody who's watching. We are miles and miles away from the endgame here. This budget vote only sets up the larger process for a $3.5 trillion infrastructure package. This is not the end. This is really we're at the I hate to use sports metaphors because they're awful, but the 30 or 40 yard line here. We're very far from the end of the game. Okay. Thanks so much for the sporting reference. That really helps me. Jake, Sherman, fun bowl news. Thank you very much. And thank you for getting up way too early with us on this Tuesday morning. Morning Joe starts right now. I get this the new name of the fully approved Pfizer vaccine is Khmer nati. Komir native, which sounds more like a drunk person trying to say community. You get arrested me. I'm a valued member of the community. The vaccine isn't the only thing keeping the FDA busy. They recently had to tell people not to treat COVID with a drug that's given to animals with worms. Meanwhile, the people taking it are like, laugh all you want, but I don't have COVID and the worms are almost gone. So. Willie you missed yesterday's discussion of the house and Horace and cow deworming medication? I did. It's a bad day when the FDA puts out a tweet like this that reads, quote, you are not a horse. You are not a cat. Seriously, y'all stop it. It is mystifying on many levels Mika when you think that there are many people in this country who will not take a now FDA approved vaccine, but they will taste medication made for horses and cows to be dewormed in the fight against COVID. And it's great material for comedians, but at the same time, my God. A lot happened yesterday, though, in the fight against COVID. The big development that I think a lot of people were waiting for yesterday, the FDA granting full approval to Pfizer BioNTech's two dose vaccine yesterday for people. Ages 16 and up. The first COVID-19 vaccine to pass this final regulatory hurdle the approval was the fastest in the agency's history coming less than four months after Pfizer filed for licensing. And the FDA was announcement started a number of new vaccine mandates with more likely to come. New York City now, requiring all Department of Education employees to get at least one dose of the COVID vaccine by the end of September. New York City's effort to fully reopen the country's largest school district next month is expected to set a standard for many districts across the country. The new mandate effects more than 148,000 public school employees. The deadline for staff to get at least one dose is September 27th. Mayor Bill de Blasio will be our guest later this morning to discuss this announcement. Plus, The Pentagon moving ahead with its mandate for the COVID-19 vaccine for all service members now that the Pfizer vaccine has full approval. The Pentagon's top spokesperson made the announcement yesterday and set a timeline for when service members must receive the shot will be provided in the coming days. The vaccines will be mandated for active duty and National Guard troops. There are more than 1.3 million on active duty and close to 800,000 in the guard and reserve in this country makeup. This is really open the door for the administration to now put those mandates across the board. It's also opened the door to people who have been waiting for the ever precious FDA approval. It is here. So if you're waiting for FDA approval to get that vaccine, you've got it now. You can get the vaccine if you are holding off. President Biden is also asking companies to step up their efforts to require vaccines for employees. Speaking yesterday at The White House, Biden pointed out that vaccine requirements are not something new. Vaccination requirements have been around for decades. Students, healthcare professionals, our troops are typically required to receive vaccination to prevent everything from polio to smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella. In fact, raise most people in America don't worry about polio smallpox measles mumps and rubella today is because of vaccines. It only makes sense to require vaccine to stop the spread of COVID-19. All right, we're gonna focus on Florida now, which recently became the third state in the U.S. to reach 3 million cases of COVID-19. A total surpassed only by 15 countries in the entire world, Florida. Last week, the state reported an all time death record with 1486 deaths nearly 15% above the previous record of nearly 1300 deaths for a week back in January during the last waves. This is Florida. The state has become one of the worst hotspots in the nation. As the delta variant continues to climb in terms of the case count. According to The Associated Press, Florida hospitals slammed with COVID-19 patients are suspending elective surgeries and putting beds in conference rooms and auditorium and a cafeteria. Florida, Georgia, and Louisiana and Mississippi alone account for more than 40% of all hospitalizations in the country. And there's one common factor here. People not getting the vaccine. Let's bring in infectious disease specialists in north Palm Beach county. Doctor Leslie Diaz, it is great to have you on the show. Doctor Diaz, you and I have been going back and forth about what your doctors and nurses, your colleagues have been going through. What you personally have been going through. Tell us about what exactly it's like for you right now. What are the hours you all have been working and tell us about the patients that you see coming in to Florida hospitals? Good morning and thank you for having me. It is certainly very exhausting. We are working 14 and 16 hour days. Relentlessly to try to take care of patients, patients who are young, 20 year olds, 30 year olds, 40 year olds, 50 year olds, and it's devastating. To watch them die, nobody as a doctor as a professional provider, nobody likes to see that, and especially not that the older generation is anything but less and of course they're just as important, but these are young people that still have their lives ahead of them and they die in front of us. So without us able to do anything and when we feel helpless, and it can all be a preventable preventable by a vaccine that we know is safe and that we know is very effective. And doctor Diaz, your patients, the ones that you see coming in, the ones that you've been dealing with 14 hours a day now for well over a year. This isn't just a flash in time. You all have been going at this and it hasn't stopped for Florida. These patients, you ask them if they've received the vaccine, how many of them say they haven't? In the hospital right now, the majority of the patients are unvaccinated. I would say anywhere between 92 and 94%. Which is it's very unfortunate. The vaccinated patients that are coming in are an older generation that already have been vaccinated with the beginning and the first wave of January and February, but right now as it stands, the vaccinated are the ones that are mainly coming into the hospital very, very sick. I mean, we're at the point where we have to worry about your mental health and your physical health as doctors. But when you ask them why they didn't get the vaccine, what do you hear? I hear all sorts of stories . Most people really are regretful. And they want to, you know, make a mentor themselves to say, hey, I did wrong, and I want to go ahead and get it once I recover and hopefully go home. But I hear any excuse that you can think of from its experimental as the other very common one to. That they're trying to track us, I don't know who they are. But it's really a very unfortunate situation. You know, I think that patients need to realize that this is still the most reliable and most effective tool that we have out there to be able to mitigate this craziness. And my understanding, doctor Diaz is that this delta variant is even more transmissible transmissible. It's very, very contagious. And can you explain what some of the patients in the ICU because you've seen it firsthand, what they go through for hours on den and days on hand as their if they survive. As they're being treated for COVID, what is it like? It's sort of like a waiting game. These patients come in quickly needing more and more oxygen delivery to sustain a viable oxygenation. And they're at their max and they can stay at their max before going on the ventilator for a while for days and they realize that, oh my goodness I'm on borrowed time. I think and they're fearful. And it is exhausting for everybody, both for the patient. For us, watching them. And they don't get better. Some get better all of a sudden. After, you know, having been on a BiPAP mask machine, this is prior to intubation. For days for a week for two weeks and then all of a sudden they start getting better. But some determinative and further needing mechanical ventilation intubation and going on event. And it's very unfortunate. Doctor Diaz, thank you for the work you're doing. Thank you for being here this morning. I'm curious to ask you about what you've seen in terms of the trajectory of this pandemic in your hospital specifically. We've heard from politicians and pundits that the media and public health officials are overstating the problem inside of Florida. I'll leave you out of the politics. You've got enough to worry about. But just what have you seen in terms of the way a lot of us felt in this country that here came this miracle vaccine that we thought would get us through this delta variant comes back, lots of people on vaccinated, especially across the south. And now it's flaring up again. What have you seen in terms of hospitalizations and what kind of patients you've seen since we got this vaccine? You know, since the beginning, I knew that we had lost the window of opportunity to be able to obtain herd immunity way back last year, so I kind of accepted that. We had several surges of numbers of patients coming in throughout 2020 and also through 2021. But this is truly unprecedented for our area in the South Florida area where we never expected it would even step up a notch or two from anything that we have had in the recent past. So the numbers are astronomical, the exorbitant amount of patients that are flocking the hospitals at the rate that they are doing, it is unreachable sometimes. I don't have enough hours of the day to be able to see everybody and that is very disconcerting to me. The patients that we see in difference to before is that they are very young. They're 20 year olds, 30 year olds, 40 year olds. They're perfectly healthy. And they come in with devastating finance in the chest x-ray, needing a significant amount of oxygen and not being able to see them get better in front of your eyes. So definitely a huge surge worse than anything we've seen before. And very, very difficult to keep up with and sometimes we can't. Some days we just can't, and we have to accept it that way. We try to do the best that we can to try to take care of these patients. I don't really, I'm not there to judge them if they got the vaccine or not. I wish they would have gotten it because this could all be very preventable and so I did the best that I can with the 14 hour days that I'm doing to try to educate them and I hope that I change at least one mind of the a hundred patients that I see every day. As you say, the common denominator 92 to 94% of the patients you're seeing are unvaccinated. So what do you think now about where this is headed as we head into the fall now with schools reopening? You talked about the patients being younger and younger, obviously there's great concern. You've had school districts, putting in mask mandates, crossing the governor to do that because they think it's that important to keep their schools healthy and safe. What would you like to see in terms of mitigation to perhaps slow this trend that you're witnessing in your hospitals? I think that there is good data and study that says that mitigation factors that you can put in place to try to contain this. And I'm not talking about closing down businesses or anything like that. Just general overall systems put in place to be able to stop the spread. Something is minimal as mask mandates. I think that that would help to try to contain the numbers significantly coming into the fall. It worries me that the fall is coming, you know, we don't have much of a winter here in Florida, of course, like the north, but it's still it's something that we know that people gather more because of the holidays and so forth. So there's more group meetings. So before that happens, I think it would be important to put at least some mass mandates, social distancing. Going back to the basics, I think going back to that will help mitigate those factors of higher numbers or another even another search going into the winter. And doctor Diaz, we've been going back and forth getting kind of a window into your world and you say your nurse practitioners have been relentless that you've been relentless working 14 hour days every day. Some of them try to rest for a few days once in a while. You don't rest. And that there are at times unpleasant discussions with angry patients, angry patients who are so scared and that anger is probably based on fear, but that a good percentage of them say to you, they still won't get the vaccine. Like, around 30%. But yet they come into the hospital and they'll take all of this experimental medicine. I'm just curious as you're working these long days and dealing with such dire situations watching people die every day. How are you and your colleagues coping with all of this? Are you okay? I thank you very much for asking about my well-being. I appreciate that because not a lot of people do ask. And that's okay. You know, I'm a warrior. I know what it is to work at hard times and very difficult times. So I'm used to it. I tried to remove myself from judging anybody and tried to just be focused looking ahead sort of like, you know, a horse is blinders, type of thing to try to be able to take care of these patients with a 101%. It is exhausting though. And I know what it is to look at the face of a precipice. So I know my limitations. I haven't reached them. So that's good news. And I have a lot of people around me that give me the support that I have my spouse, my nurse practitioners, to be able to keep me in a well, you know, a well state. Doctor Leslie Diaz, an infectious disease, specialist in north Palm Beach county, Florida. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you for what you do. And thank you for coming on. Thank you. This morning. Thank you very much for having me appreciate it. Joining us now NBC News correspondent Kerry Sanders, who was in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida yesterday, covering the gathering by several dozen doctors, designed to call attention to the need for floridians to get vaccinated. Cary, what's been the reaction to that? These doctors are overwhelmed. They've been working 24 7. It's like there's two worlds in Florida. The world of people who refuse to get vaccine who live in this clueless reality that nothing will ever happen to them who end up in the hospital dying and these doctors having to try and save their lives every day, still now to this day. And then they gathered as they did and their message got somewhat sidetracked because they are simulated walk out many people thought that they just abandoned their patients and walked out of a hospital. That is not what happened. The 75 doctors or so who gathered there, many had just come off their shifts, some double ships working in the COVID warns, while others were preparing after that gathering to then go to their shifts dealing

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State Rep. Mark Finchem on Arizona Recount

In the News with Mike Dakkak

14:48 min | Last month

State Rep. Mark Finchem on Arizona Recount

"They representative arizona. State representative mark. Finchem joined us the other day for an update on the recount on the forensic audit taking place. It's not a recount. Need to check that very quickly. Because it's not a recount. It is a forensic audit really the first of its kind complete and total forensic audit of ballots cast in november twenty twenty taking place anywhere in the country. And that's of course taking place and maricopa county arizona Representative finchem came on the show and gave us an update. I wanna play you guys and extended portion of that interview now. Here is state representative. Arizona state representative mark finchem stay arizona state representative mark finchem. Sir i'm i. It's been a couple of weeks since we've last spoken. I wonder if you can just kind of run. Down of the latest on the audit has taken place in maricopa county. United feel like the eyes of the entire night just the country but the world are on this audit. I've been calling it the first domino to fall for for weeks because it's narrates as most people believe real fraud that is found here I don't believe this is gonna be the last state to conduct a full audit like this. In fact. I think it's going to be the first of many your thoughts. I think that you're exactly right. So we're being very cautious not to use the word fraud because fraud is a specific intent. Prime certainly we are going to find significant. Discrepancies we've already found some Now the fact that the maricopa county board of supervisors as received a second round of subpoenas from the senate and within a day or so Essentially they met basically pass whenever they pass on telling the arizona. Senator bugger off. They're not going to give them what they want. We now have something in play that you have to understand. We've got to go through the entire procedures civil procedures before we can go to the attorney general's office and what that means is we we had to give the maricopa county board of supervisors enough time to comply with the original subpoenas. We issued second subpoenas. They've now said we're not going to apply these either. So now we've gotten to the point where we'd exhausted administrative remedies. Senator borelli submitted it. What's an arizona's of fourteen. Eighty seven which is nothing more than it's the state senate bill. It's just kinda shorthand for us. It's submission to the attorney. General's office saying that. The maricopa county board supervisor Committed a series of criminal offenses. And it's alleging that and they have violated state statute if these attorney general fines that this is indeed true The county will have a number of days to correct the issue. How they're gonna correct. The accident already happened that her misdemeanor Plastic misdemeanors in arizona. Not sure how to get past that but at the end of the day if they are unable or unwilling to correct that the attorney general may then send a memo to the state treasurer withholding ten percent of what's called state shirt revenue. That's the sales tax that is collected on behalf of all of the political subdivisions. Waking can withhold as much as ten percent at sixty eight million dollars would be withheld from maricopa county. So that's a bit of a that's the stick. We try to use the carrot. Carry at work so now we've submitted that center borelli submitted that will give that two to three weeks to see how that plays out Do i think that we're going to have a a a full audit report by the first of at a now. I hope so part of what's going on there as we have this whole all that it is not yet been filled in. That is the spunk logs. And the router information to either prove or disprove the allegation that there was a cyber intrusion directly into the dominion voting machines. That's kind of herat right now. So the the original time line. I remember was well. I mean you've been very adamant about saying look. It's going to take as long as it's going to take any kim. You know we're just gonna have to get it right as opposed to get it fast. Get done by a particular date. But i remember the initial timeline was mid august somewhere around there. So now you're saying might be pushed down a little bit further. Well that was predicated on having a cooperative political subdivision that would supply the information that was needed in order to do a complete and accurate review. And i'm glad you brought up the juxtaposition of complete versus fast accurate or suspect. So we've we seem to have fallen into this trap not just with this automated with elections in general Noticed that everybody wants to know by midnight. What's going on. Who want okay. So at an event that i was at in grand rapids about two weeks ago. Grand rapids michigan. I asked roughly seven hundred fifty eight hundred people who were in attendance at the event. I said if i were to rank accuracy over speed how many of you would agree with that. Ranking in the entire rooms hands went up our let me reverse that if speed is the most important thing to you over accuracy. How many of you would agree with that. Not one hand went up so we we now have this fallacy of fast. Faster is better now. I think accuracy is better and we're also saying that in the audit You know what's interesting is as they've gone through as the team has gone through this every time they looked at something they found something. Okay so i think they're at the point now where they have exhausted the things to look at and they're in that mode of documenting not just process but also what they've found within the process and any explanation that has been offered by the county. What i find very interesting. Is that a prison fan in her. Letters to the county is ask questions and accounting comes back with these quick frankly smart aleck responses that They're not helpful. What we're trying to do is is our oversight and what they've done where frankly is pushed many members in the legislature to hold the position that we're not willing to trust you anymore with electronic tabulation. in fact there's a move right now with the election integrity hawks about that nine and ten of us. We're i hope to put out a statement later today the we're going to call on the legislature in the next session to prohibit the use of electronic tabulation equipment. Go back to hand counting. We've got to have a closed. Universe of documents that can goes along with the arizona ballot integrity project that i've presented to a number of people in fact i'm even have a be happy to give you the link. The kind of walks through. Its a three minute video that walks through what that would look like with. The voter would see nothing other than a new workload on their ballot. It's meant much. What's done is in the back end where we have a uv light at reactive fraud countermeasures. Much like what we see on. Us currency and then of course. I'm rather smitten with the idea of putting all ballots out on a public ledger like a blockchain or the public z. Every ballot image right. So there's a lot going up. Excuse me and that's really kind of you know that that ballot integrity initiative. It's really kind of out of the box thinking but it's also kind of genius in its simplicity. We've actually had that video on the site for for a couple of weeks. Since the last time we spoke in. It's just i mean it's it's it's relatively easy to do to save. You can say common sense. I mean you know. Sometimes i feel like missing something. Why would anyone you know. So you alluded to these subpoenas. This is the second round of subpoenas for the the The tabulation machines and of passwords. And you speak about this a lot talk to us about the wisdom of having an election system in which the vendor has more access to the system than the elected officials that are elected to safeguard the system. Why would anyone abide by a system. Like this at a really good question. In fact senator peterson in the most recent hearing. Ask for clarification from ben cotton at cypher and from doug logan okay. Let me get this straight. you're telling me that. A private vendor has a greater level of access to the entire election system than the people who were elected and charged with the responsibility of oversight of the election. That's what you're saying right. Yes we have the elected officials here and we have a company that is on record. Eric comber tweeted. I've seen to it. That president trump won't win. You know this is an interesting thing that i was talking to the folks that are are promoting godless country to which is going to be in vegas by the way in october october. Twenty seconds to the twenty fifth. I believe at caesar's form we were talking about that. And it's it's like okay. In on on what level the people begin to understand that when you've got a private enterprise that has voiced a an interest in seeing to it that the contest between two candidates is a predictable. Sure thing that's not an election. That's a selection by a very small group of people and people are now saying you know this is not. This is not acceptable. Vectors video out right now That i put up on. My telegram impedes about a minute. Seventeen seconds long and actually shows the screen shot where you simply check a box to allow the election equipment to go out online in a stop it right there. This is not an election. It's a selection. I mean i e you know you heard us talking about it they are. You have a vendor a third party vendor non governmental non elected and they have access to the system that they refuse to divulge and then when you ask company like dominion and you say hey. Let us see the software. Let us see the back end. Let us see the passwords. Even when you file an official freedom of information act request. They say well. We're not a public entity. Were a private enterprise. We don't have to abide by any of these disclosure. Laws are disclosure rules. Talk to me about the wisdom of having a third party system that really acts like a super legislature in most states. We oversee the election. We oversee all election Procedures all election regulations on election day. The vote tabulation. And you cannot see what we're doing on the back end. You know when when you have a situation like that it really is no wonder that you have the kind of situation that we have today and the question is what are we gonna do about it. You heard representative finchem there. Say he's involved in initiative number one to ensure election integrity by having ballots that are akin to dollar bills that are watermarked that have There are just make it very very difficult if not downright impossible to counterfeit and the second thing is to get rid of electronic voting. There is really. I'm hard pressed. I've been interviewing people for months on election integrity issues and i have yet to hear one. Legitimate reason to have electronic vote tabulation. Never mind the fact that you have machines. Where modems are built in and have internet connectivity and the they have the capability where you can go in there and and manipulate votes. There really is no reason to have electronic voting systems with those capabilities. If you wanna have a pure additive function kind of like. I like him at all the time to machines at the bank right before the teller gives a. You're the positive. She runs all the bills to that machine. And there's only one number that machine exists for one purpose and one purpose only to count the number of bills that have been put through the machine. You can't get in there. There's no software. There's moten there's no would you. Would you abide by having a cash machine that is connected to the internet when you go take out of the posit. That's the machine. They run your bills to through. Well then why do we abide by for our boats. I feel like that's the question that we have to answer going forward. A lot of people say we have to look forward to twenty twenty two when twenty twenty four. There's no looking forward until we look backward to twenty twenty and make sure we got that right. People like state representative mark venture martha forefront on making sure that happens hop on over to the site. Make sure you check out the rest of the interview. There's lots of good information there. About the recount taking place in maricopa county and about the initiatives that Representative finchem is deeply involved in and trying to see happen. That's our update for today. Thanks for being with us. We'll see next time in the meantime. Take care of yourselves and each other.

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GOP filibuster protects state-level voting restrictions from Democratic reforms

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

44:09 min | 3 months ago

GOP filibuster protects state-level voting restrictions from Democratic reforms

"The show we had nine stern on. Msnbc did you know. I did not know. I think of myself as someone who keeps reasonably up to date with the news and current events but apparently i have been out of loop because i did not know that aliens did nine eleven. I had no idea. I only learned it today. How do you navigate a course through material that encompasses ancient civilizations baxter terrestrial 's secret societies. And what is the relationship. Between those hand. The governance of our modern world. I was able to learn about ancient race choosing breaks. They are most of the all untrustworthy group that has ever been involved with humanity. The ticket netted approach to help the managed st experiment see declassified document that describes a cataclysmic series of events. The main message from the are for us to prepare ourselves. You know. I had no idea. I thought i knew. I thought i knew about these things. I did not know the the aliens and that what they did. I didn't know they are preparing us through the end of the world there. I think in a cause the end of the world. I don't know if that's supposed to be good. The aliens these cute little like deflated. Pillsbury dough boy white aliens. They're kind good but it's also kind of the end of the world turns out it's all just hidden right out in the open. That was a movie. Do we call these things a movie. That was a film that was released in twenty nine thousand nine at least twenty nineteen when it was posted online The same filmmaker also made vis the year before now in this you will recognize some of the same dudes from the other movie but in this movie they have different haircuts and they have different purported expertise tire tracks. That's no footmen. The germans had a settlement on the moon. They had a settlement on mars and they were doing this as early as nineteen thirty nine between the age of sixteen and seventeen years old. I was transported to the moon. And after twenty years i was age regressed back in time and then return to civilian lots. This money is going into underground military bases and secret space programs with technology far beyond what many of us could even realize at some point. This is all going to break open. You get involved. The more compromised you become the may actually kill you see. The giants skulls the skulls of giants there at the end the giants who were also maybe old rich dutch people who got their portraits painted. The i i know ha ha. I ever seen those together and if you put those right next to a turnip i'll tell you what turns out that the giants were maybe the ones who did nine eleven and also i think shot jfk. I it was the giants or it was the aliens that did that may be the giants got killed by the aliens after they shot jfk. Honestly it's hard to figure out. But i will tell you. This filmmaker has evolved over time. His aliens have gotten better looking. They've gotten more more stylish at least cooler. Can we say that. His aliens are getting more hip overtime as his movies about them. Evolve there certainly shelter in the in the in. The man's later work to be sure. I mentioned this I mentioned this. And i introduced you to this. Filmmakers work because for the future of our republic and one of our two major governing parties. It's important to know that that guy the aliens did nine. Eleven guy has a new movie coming out this week. His two thousand eighteen movie was nazis in space and alien skill. Jfk his twenty. Nine thousand nine movie was aliens. Are eating our dna and freemasons watch out and here comes the end of the world. But don't worry the aliens very peaceful siemian and they'll be cool with you if you watch these movies. Those were his previous works now. His new movie which comes out. This week is about the arizona on the so-called audit of the arizona presidential election result arranged by republicans in the arizona state legislature. That is the subject of his next movie. And he appears to be sort of the authorized documentarian of the arizona audit. I say that because his movie apparently does feature all the people who are doing the audit all the big players the opening scene for example in the trailer for the film. Is ken bennett. The arizona republican officials who has served all this time as these spokesman for the audit that there is talking to the nazis on the moon. Aliens did nine eleven filmmaker but while he is if you look at the background he's at the site of the arizona recount audit thing at that arena in phoenix. Talking to the aliens. Did nine eleven filmmaker about the arizona recount. The movie also includes lots of footage and testimony from the guy who writes books about treasure hunting and his big claim to fame was inventing a hand held barcode scanner shaped like a house cat. That's the gentleman who now claims to have secret. Technology can't disclose to you which he calls kinna medic artifact detection it is secret but it is supposedly being applied to oliveras federal election ballots to prove to prove that donald trump must have secretly one. Ask the secret cat scanner. The movie also includes apparently the ceo who has maybe also the sole employee of cyber ninjas. That's the firm the guy who's actually running whatever it is. The republicans are doing with the federal election ballots in arizona. His name is doug logan. Ceo of cyber ninjas. He was shadowed out visually in the original trailer for the movie but they used his voice. When local reporters in arizona recognized his voice and realized that was him The filmmakers re cut the trailer to make doug logan's voice digitally altered when everybody laughed at them for doing that. They issued a third version of the trailer. This one with doug logan from cyber ninjas cut out entirely but if you think you are ready to learn the truth about the twenty twenty arizona election results and you specifically want to learn that truth from the guy who finally figured out that it must have been aliens who did nine eleven and wow jfk to watch out they might steal you and take you to the moon for twenty years. If that's the guy you want to learn the truth from about the arizona presidential election in two thousand twenty He had some big news for you this week. He will not be shocked to learn that he announced this news on a telegram channel. That's for followers of the non conspiracy theory but that's where he made the announcement. You guys you guys. His new movie is ready. He did the aliens movie in two thousand eighteen to the different aliens movie in two thousand nineteen but now his twenty twenty. One movie is ready. It's apparently shot on site. At the republican arizona election audit in phoenix. It is premiering at a church in phoenix this weekend. Which i think means it's time to the end of arizona. So-called audit this week is when whatever they're doing that so-called audit is supposed to be wrapped up and the big culminating event will be the screening of the official documentary about what happened in arizona. And how of the arizona. Auditable expose the trump truth of honestly the reason we know about any of this because really good reporters dog reporters at the arizona mirror and the arizona republic and local. Tv stations in phoenix and groups like arizona. Right wing watch have been documenting. This stuff for posterity because you otherwise wouldn't believe it but a significant portion of the country a majority of republican voters across the country. Say they believe that. Donald trump actually won reelection or at least that there was significant fraud and there were many irregularities in the last election and when majority of republican voters. Tell pollsters that what they are thinking of. Is this so-called in arizona. Right all there's a recount their right and it sounds like they're turning up stuff that's really really bad. Well now from the guy who brought you the movie On the left about the secret space program growing aliens deep inside the earth Were about to get what i guess is the authorized documentary expose of the arizona thing including the support and involvement of the republican officials and contractors. Who are running it and it would be hilarious. It still kind of areas except for the part where this is the basis for republicans in huge numbers now saying that the last election was distorted and corrupted by massive fraud and so nobody can have any faith in the election outcome and therefore republican controlled legislatures across the country must dramatically restrict voting rights and change the administration of elections. So we never have another election like twenty twenty again. I mean it will also be the predicate for whatever's going to happen in our country in august when arizona says they're going to release their findings after whatever. It is the cunanan cyber ninjas. People did to the ballots in the voting machines in arizona their report on their so called audit. They say will be ready in late. July or early august and august says he will be reinstated as president. He expects in august to be reinstated as president presumably. He believes on the basis of what arizona is going to say found in this thing that they set up in this local arena and had documented by the nazis on mark sky. This just doesn't seem like a healthful way for a mature democracy to handle the transition of power you know and it you know maybe it all seems like fun and games until an angry armed mob. Storms your national capital to stop the election results from being certified or someone reporting to the pro-trump faction in your state. Legislature starts banging on your door demanding to know who you voted for threatening that you seem like the kind of person this seems like the kind of address that feels a little shady to them. And that's going to be reported as fraud. The watchdog group american oversight this week obtained a bunch of documents from the republicans who set up and have administered the so-called audit there among the documents they obtained. Was this one reporting back. Apparently on a door to door canvass quote by a citizens nonpartisan grassroots project. They say they went door to door. In maricopa county and pima county arizona knocking on people's doors asking who lived there and then asking about their vote in the presidential election in november and then reporting up to arizona republicans that literally most of the addresses. They went to seemed like likely fraudsters quote to date over. Three thousand homes have been canvassed in order to verify the integrity of the voter rolls. Fifty two percent of those canvas addresses required. An affidavit for an irregularity fifty two percent really a majority of households in arizona are seen as needing affidavits because of irregularities as reported by. Volunteer citizen canvassers this tracks with news that we saw a week ago in the republic quote. People are knocking on the doors of yavapai county residents this in arizona and asking how they voted in the last election while falsely claiming to represent the county recorder's office according to sheriff's office officials. The mysterious door to door survey has alarmed local officials. It comes after the justice. Us department of justice warned arezzo senate republicans against plans to canvas voters homes as part of an unprecedented review of november's election. In fact that warning is true. In may the us justice department of senior us justice department official wrote to arizona. Republicans warning them about what they were doing with this so called audit warning them about strict federal laws that govern the handling of ballots voting machines after a federal election arizona. Republicans blew that off and kept doing exactly what they've been doing before. Which means the justice department apparently didn't mean what they said in that letter because they never followed up our took any visible action despite the implied threat in that letter. But the justice department letter to arizona warned zona republicans about what had been there stated plans to go bang on people's doors to ask them about their vote in the presidential election after doj sent that letter warning about the mishandling of ballots and voting machines. Warning about plans to go door to door asking voters about how they voted arizona. Republicans responded to that part of it and said yeah well. They didn't have plans to do the door to door stuff anyway. But now in this records request. Thanks to american oversight. Know that it happened i mean what arizona. Republicans had reported to them from these volunteer. Canvassers is that it was thousands of arizona who got knocks on their door with random people holding clipboards trying to appear like official something demanding to know about their vote. In the presidential election. It happened in maricopa county. It happened in pima. county happened in the pike. County the justice department explicitly warned arizona against doing this warned arizona. Republicans because it's against the federal law that prohibits intimidating voters in this way they got the warning. They apparently did it anyway. In three counties thousands of households is the justice department going to do anything about that other than their stern warning. They sent in may followed up with no action in response. Anyone hello is this thing on. We don't know what if anything the white house and the biden administration more. Broadly plans to do to try to defend voting rights and to protect election processes against this unprecedented and still rising tide of pressure from republican controlled legislatures and republican state houses around the country. Today reporter for vice news says she asked the number two senate democrat dick durbin. What would happen next on. Voting rights after republicans filibustered. The democrats voting rights bill in the senate. Today elizabeth lenders wrote that Senator durbin responded quote. I'm not sure meaning. I'm not sure what will happen next. He then hinted that president biden is quote doing a lot of things that haven't been announced publicly before too long white house chief of staff. Ron clain retweeted that pointedly. Literally with a little pointing emoji seeming to endorse the idea that there may be actions. President biden himself for the biden administration. Broadly is taking on this issue. That we can't yet. Okay i'm intrigued. I'm looking forward to finding out about that. But whether it's potentially justice department action to enforce federal laws around the handling of ballots and not intimidating voters or whether it's something else they've got in mind when it comes to the law when it comes to the path of legislation it did hit that big expected speed bump today thanks to democrats unwillingness to reform the filibuster rules in the face of republican willingness to use the filibuster against absolutely everything even voting rights. All fifty. republican senators voted today. That there should not even be a debate on the voting rights. Bill before the people act that also meant that republicans didn't even consent to considering to even talking about a different version of the bill like for example these significantly reduced iteration of the bill proposed by conservative democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia. Senator manchin has been the focus of attention on this issue because because of the peculiar angle he took on this thing. It wasn't just that mansion said. He didn't want to vote for a voting rights. Bill unless it had republican support. He said that but he also expressed this relentless and sort of inexplicable optimism that some republicans would support voting rights in the end. When he wrote his op ed. His hometown paper recently expressing his opposition to any voting rights. Bill that didn't have republican support. That was sort of an implicit criticism of his democratic colleagues in the senate for writing voting rights bill that no republican senator could support senator mentioned than his theory to the test though he wrote his own version of a voting rights. Bill actually showing his own ideas his concept of the kind of bill he thought republicans rightfully should support and should be expected to support on voting rights. Senator manchin drew up his own proposal. What he thought should get republican votes. The republican leader in the senate. Mitch mcconnell responded by calling mansions bill or his proposed bill quote rotten and then today republican senators fifty. Republican senators voted to not even consider which i mentioned put forward. So does this change. Senator mansions mind about any of this. Does it shift his idea that no voting rights. Bill should pass if it doesn't have republican votes now that he sees the way that republicans are approaching this issue in terms of deciding what they're gonna vote for what they're even going to vote to debate what they're gonna vote to even here. Does this change his mind about whether or not a voting rights. Bill must have republican votes if it is going to be a legitimate approach to this issue that deserves support. We don't know senators leave at the end of this week to go home for a two week long. July fourth recess what senators hear from their constituents when they're at home about the importance of voting rights. That may be determinative here as to whether this is now over or whether there might be in next step at home in phoenix arizona. Today this was the scene at the offices of democratic. Senator kirsten cinema. She is the other conservative democrat. Who's been a real hold out on this issue. Also insisting that since republicans really ought to support voting rights. Democrats should give up on it if they don't. I know i know. I know her. Constituents clearly no in addition to these visits at her office today senator cinemas also facing ads like these ones running on arizona. Tv stations just blasting her for not being willing to get it done for not standing up for voting rights now. I don't know how this is going to end. But i do know that. Republicans in the states are going maximalist with their position on this issue to the point where they literally aren't ashamed to have the dude who makes movies about nazis on the moon and aliens doing nine eleven becoming the official documentarian for their effort to promote an election fraud narrative about arizona because they need their election fraud narrative to bolster not only republican disrespect for election broad strokes but specifically to bolster republican efforts in all republican controlled states now to rescind voting rights and make voting harder they are going for a maximalist conception here senate republicans in washington. No that is long as the filibuster is there. Democrats have no options in terms of backing up voting rights clear on that the republican party being clear on that in terms of whether there's going to be any federal protection for voting rights clears the field for republicans in the states to go maximalist and shamelessly as far as they can on this issue to make voting as restricted as possible to target voting restrictions. And the the the administration of elections in a way that is maximally partisan to their advantage and so they proceed unless democrats can figure out can get their heads around the fact that this is what they're up against and fight the same kind of fight on the same kind of terms. minnesota senator. Amy klobuchar is an original cosponsor of the voting rates. Bill that stalled today in the senate. She says her next move is to take the show on the road. She says she's going to start doing field hearings out in the states. Documenting the stakes in this fight and taking it to the places where the fight is being waged. Senator klobuchar joins us next day with us across the nation. Constitutional rights are being assaulted. And i fear that if we don't act as a body in this moment we will have cross a dangerous rubicon in our nation. Why some people hiding what in for what purpose. At whose behest. We were reminded on january six that it is up to us to protect against threats to our democracy. Honestly i would love to get some support from the other side of the aisle but we have to be honest. I don't expect we're going to get it so my republican colleagues. This is not the end of the line for this bill. This is not the end of the line. This is only the begin fail. Warnock of georgia. Amy klobuchar of minnesota were among many democrats today who spoke out in support of s one for the people. October voting rights. Bill head of this afternoon's first big vote. Put it on the senate floor for debate. It's already passed the house. If it can pass the senate it will go to president biden and he will sign it into law but that effort to get it onto the senate floor. Today for debate failed all fifty. Republican senators voted against even starting debate on the bill. This was a filibuster. They required sixty votes to get this thing onto the floor and republicans insisted unilaterally and unanimously that that would not happen republican senate leader mitch. Mcconnell promised to make sure the bill stays dead that it never goes anywhere. He vowed today to quote put an end to it. But despite today's defeat for proponents of the bill a chorus of democratic senators said. This fight is still beginning. They're not letting this go. Senator klobuchar for example chairs the rules committee in the senate and tonight she announced her committee is packing up and heading to georgia to hold a field hearing on voting rights and on the voting rights. Fight in georgia to hear firsthand from voters in one of the states where election rules in voting rights is being are being radically restricted in the aftermath of president trump's reelection loss last year vice president carmela harris is technically the president of the senate in that capacity. She presided over. Today's vote afterwards. She also promised that this is not over. The issue here is is there actual access to the voting process. Or is that being impeded and the bottom line is that the president and i are very clear support s one. We support the john. Lewis voting rights act and the fight is not you can hear the reporter at the end. They're saying what's next what's next. Which of course is is the key question joining us now. Is minnesota senior senator. The chair of the rules committee in the senate. Senator amy klobuchar senator. It's great to have you here. thank you so much. thanks rachel. what's next. Where does this go. Its next we're going to georgia. The rules committee has not gone on the road for twenty years and that is just the beginning because my colleagues. Maybe should have learned a lesson in georgia. My republican colleagues. And that is. I smiled when i heard the great center of worn act. Speak the guy who set it all probably one sentence. This is all summed up that some people don't want some people to vote and guess what when the people of georgia saw what was happening back in early january when they saw the big lie being perpetrated on them when they saw their elections being undermined by the republican party. They turned out and they voted. They didn't just voting one democratic senator. They voted into. So we have the people on our side on this big time rachel. Democrats republicans independence the bill polls. What seventy eight percent. For many of the provisions. We have a united party as you saw the vote today so we are not ending this fight and one of the ways we do. That is getting out of this capitol dome and heading out to the state so we can hear from people and so my colleagues can hear them. Because it's hard to hide when you have people talking about standing ten hour lines without food and water or people trying to find one drop off ballot box in the middle of harris county texas of five million people or the discriminatory voting practices or six states. Still requiring notarized signatures from notary publics just to get an application for an absentee ballot. That's what they're going to hear when we go out there to states across the country and is it your expectation that that kind of pressure and that kind of public support for the the voting rights protections that were in this bill. Is it your expectation that that will peel off. Republicans who will decide that. They want to align themselves more with public opinion on this that they see the light on this and republicans repeal often support or. Is it your expectation that democrats in your own caucus will decide that. This is important enough and there's enough public support for this that this is worth a new approach to the senate rules that allows this to be passed without republican votes. I would take either. But the point is that. I'm not giving up and center warnock's getting up no is nor is senator merkley. We are not giving up. And i favor abolishing the filibuster and i came to that decision. After years of inaction after seeing how important legislation on things like climate change and immigration reform things were. there was even bipartisan. Agreement got stopped because of an archaic procedure. And i don't think our colleagues on the other side should be able to tyrannise us in the country and hold the country hostage. I don't think you should be able to filibuster our democracy. That's what i believe but of course yes. We have to convince some of our colleagues to make changes. They've been open to reforms. You've heard senator manchin talk about the standing filibuster and we can proceed that way and we can also put pressure on republicans but the point is there are so many provisions in this bill including by the way the disclose act to go after dark money and our politics that is overwhelmingly overwhelmingly popular. And i'd like to see my colleagues on the other side. Vote against that or my honest. Adzic would simply says the social media. Companies have to put disclosures and disclaimers on these ads. So we know exactly where the money's coming from all of these things are going to be on the ballot as we move forward. I mentioned a few minutes ago about an exchange with senator durbin of illinois That a reporter from vice news had with him today in which. He's told her that he wasn't sure what was going to happen next procedurally but he also said that is it was his understanding that president biden and the biden white house or doing a lot of things on this that haven't been announced publicly but that might be materially relevant in terms of what happens next. Do you have any idea what he is talking about. Is there someplace else we should be looking in terms of next steps or what other resources might be available for voting rights protection. There's a lot of things we're can infrastructure package right now and there's going to be bipartisan group. That's negotiating hard but there's also going to be a second package and we include election infrastructure in there when it comes to the justice department. You're looking at people like vanita gupta. That's over there people at kristen clark. These experienced leaders who understand voting rights. This is not your daddy's justice martian. I say your daddy william bars justice department anymore. These are incredible forceful leaders. Who know what they're doing. So i can't tell you exactly what they're going to do but what i can say is. They're going to make sure that these states out there who are even thinking of impinging on people's right to vote. They're going to go after that. Because you can't do that. in america. this is fundamental right shared by democrats republicans independence. Anyone that wants to vote in america. Something our whole country was founded on the simple idea of democracy and these guys whatever they are cyber ninja. Whatever they are they are messing with us right now and people in this country. Don't like that look what they did in georgia back in january. So we've got major major work in front of us in on many fronts. Rachel so i don't want to take away from the work we've got to do in the coming month on infrastructure and build back better But i can tell you. There are a number of us at c. the evil that's out there and we're not just gonna pretend and go away. That's why i'm bringing the rules committee out on the road. Minnesota senator chaired the rules committee. Senator amy klobuchar of minnesota is. It's great to have you here. I know that this is the start of a different kind of fight here. Thanks for keeping us apprised senator. It's great to see you. Thanks rachel all right little jarred by the whole daddy william bar thing. I'm just gonna take a quick shower. We'll be right back a year ago. My very good very old friend a producer on this show. Stephen bannon published a book. That is basically i mean. It's not a reference guide. It's a narrative. But i have since used it as a frequently referred to reference guide for how to understand today's politics and how to understand what's not the same between the two parties The is called the impostors republicans quit governing and seized politics. The basic thesis is that the republican party is different from the democratic party in one very specific way they are post policy whatever they may have been in the past or whatever they may have been driven by in the past the key insight you need for understanding them today is that they are not working on policy anymore. They are not working on governing. they're working on powerrr. they're working on messaging. They're working on all sorts of other things that benefit themselves but governing policy running the country not a functioning dynamic inside their party at all and a post policy party uninterested in governing is of course a very nice very empty vessel that can with shocking as an over by say a demagogue with no goals behind beyond his own power and ego. Here's a little piece of it. This is actually from a brand new afterward to the impostors which is just out today. In paperback steve says quote among the hallmarks of post policy thinking is a rejection of data evidence and expertise in the case of the twenty twenty presidential election. Data showed trump losing the race. Badly the evidence to the contrary simply didn't exist even experts from trump's own administration rejected the president's utterly ridiculous claims indeed christopher krebs the nation's top cyber security official at the department of homeland security celebrated the fact that the elections were the most secure in american history and we're untainted by regularities. President trump responded by firing christopher krebs for having told the truth when even general william bar said the justice department couldn't find evidence of systemic fraud trump parted ways with him to. It would've been awful enough. For an american president to borrow the playbook us too often by foreign autocrats but the calamity was made vastly worse by his party's willingness to endorse trump's democratic assault with limited exceptions congressional republicans cheered the president on while he tried to overturn the results of his defeat unmoved by trump's apparent madness and the toll it was taking on the integrity of the country's institutions. And of course that effort has only grown in pace and scope since the the effort to undermine the results of the twenty twenty election is now the animating force within the republican party. Which more than anything is working on. Rescinding voting rights and seizing partisan control of the administration of elections. And it shows no sign of slowing down quite the contrary. But here's one other important. Point steve's make. Steve makes in his book. And this is part of why i love. Stephen have worked for them for so many years since literally. We were kids. I think of us kids. He also writes about the fact that it is not inevitable that the republicans are post policy. Party it is a choice they are making and you can prove it. Steve says quote it would be a mistake to assume. Republicans are incapable of effective policy-making when utilizing gerrymandering techniques to give republican candidates unfair and undemocratic electoral advantages for example republicans have demonstrated in uncanny ability to carefully utilize evidence in pursuit of substantive goals and north carolina. For example an appeals court found that republican officials drew legislative district boundaries that targeted black voters with quote almost surgical precision. It was part of a racist schemed undermine democracy but it was also a reminder that when republicans are willing to set their minds to it they are able to roll up their sleeves and do substantive work in pursuit of their goals. Their goals are sometimes of aren't but the party at least has the capacity meaning. They're numerous they. Just don't choose to be when it comes to things like bogus. Election fraud claims when it comes to drawing maps for electoral advantage they can be very numerous and from from all of these incredibly specific targeted laws being passed and republican controlled states. Laws aimed at making it harder for certain people to vote in easier for republican officials to overrule election outcomes. They don't like up to and including tonight's united republican senate blockade against even debating a new voting rights. Bill republicans are showing. They can set a goal and work toward it. It's just that the only gold. They seem to have right. Now is making it harder to vote and undermining faith an american elections joining us. Now is my friend. Steve bannon a longtime producer of this program. The editor of motto blog dot com and the author of the impostors republicans quit governing and seized american politics. Which is out today in paperwork. Paperback with a brand new afterwards. Steve congratulations my friend. It's great to see you. it's to be your thing so much. This is the part will remind people that you were also the first ever guest on the first ever. Rachel maddow's show where you were sitting in front of a fake bookcase now. Thirteen years down the road down the road. You're still my guest when i need to talk to you. But those are real books in their angle annoyed by the fact that when i look back at that originally interview you look the same and i don't seems terribly unfair. It's a wig. That's pretty much how i do it. That's my secret steve. I want to ask you about what we saw today. And that conversation. I had with senator klobuchar. Seeing republican unanimity against even debating. The voting rights. Bill seeing senator mcconnell defined this as something hill die on this is not a problem and therefore it needs no solutions and republicans. Entertain nothing on this issue. How does that. How does that fit into your broader understanding of what the republican party wants and what they're good at is acquiring maintaining power and that is really their only principal focus their only principal goal. And i think today we saw evidence of the atwood would democrats did was approached this as a policy matter. They saw problem innovative solution. They relied on data. They relied on evidence. It turned to experts and they put together a credible governing solution. The we had governing party should would we see from republicans we saw the opposite we saw them discard the data. We saw them discard the evidence. We saw them focusing on their their political goals are ideological goals. And that's very much in keeping with post policy thesis. A governing party would approach this debate entirely differently and so that a symmetry where democrats are approaching one way. Democrats and republicans are approaching it in a post policy way that a is the defining problem in my mind if american paused takes today you and i talked about this idea this insight into the difference between the parties for a long time before you wrote the book and we've been talking about it ever since and now with the new afterward and the paperback version. I feel like the conversation just keeps getting deeper. But we're in the same place that we were and we still have the same pressing question in terms of what the country needs. Which is what do you do about it. We don't we still don't have a playbook for what to do. When one of two major parties in the country gives up on the idea of governing and decides to work as you say essentially just on holding power is there. Do you feel like your understanding of this on has advanced to the point where you can be prescriptive as to how democrats should approach combat with their partisan counterparts here given the differences between the two parties. I think that some democratic senators make the same mistake but some voters make which is that for years. We could make the assumption that there were two responsible mature governing parties and voted with that decision all the time assuming that that both democrats republicans despite their differences had the technocratic wherewithal to solve problems and the point i emphasize in the book is that that assumption is badly in need of reexamination because to assume that republicans are governing party is is to overlook the radical transformation that we've seen the party over the course of the last twelve years and so when i see some democratic senators people like west. Virginia's joe manchin. We make this assumption there sticking this old fashioned assumption. That republicans are the same as they were there not. They've made this transition to being oppose policy party in by that i mean they've abandoned the pretense that policy making the substance of policymaking matters altogether and that means that there's no point in arguing policy with them essentially that the the the the field of combat once they've decided as power only has to be power politics right. Exactly right right. When republicans focus exclusively on the acquisition and maintenance of power and then we have democratic senators treating them as if they were a member of the governing party. That is that is that leads to inevitable breakdowns. in fact we've seen several of those breakdowns just this year on things. Like the first debate of twenty twenty one on the the democrats could relief package whether we see from republicans. A preoccupation with dr seuss said followed on infrastructure on january six commission on voting rights again and again democrats democrats who talking pass another because the parties are not just asking not just offering different answers. They're asking different kinds of questions. Steve bannon is a producer on the show. He's the editor of motto blog. Dot com There's probably nobody writing On politics and a daily way in the world that has more influence on the way. I think about politics than the great. Steve bannon Steve congratulations on the paperback again. The book is called the impostors. Republicans quit governing and seized american. Politics is out today. Paperback edition with afterward Steve thank you so much for your time tonight my friend. It's great to see you. Thank you so much. All right more ahead stay with us polls are now closed tonight in the race to be the democratic candidate for mayor in the largest city in the country And even if you know absolutely nothing about new york city politics even if you've never been to new york city you probably still know that. The democratic primary for mayor in new york city is essentially the whole ballgame New york isn't what it used to be. And whoever the republicans picking their primary that person dollars to doughnuts will not win the general election in november the democrat candidate will have a huge advantage. It just means whoever wins. Today's democratic primary will likely be the person who goes on to govern the city that has a population larger than roughly forty of the fifty states to consequential thing and the field of contenders is gigantic. Former presidential candidate injury yang The borough president from brooklyn his name is eric adams the former Sanitation commissioner for the city. Kathryn garcia lawyer and civil rights activist mile wiley. Who whom you have seen here on. Msnbc and her roles and msnbc contributor that's just to name a few that's a minority of the candidates who are running but whether or not you care about who is ultimately going to win. This is going to be fascinating to watch because this is the first time. New york's going to be using ranked choice voting. You don't just vote for your favorite candidate you pick your top five and list them in order of preference one two three four five. If your first choice doesn't win and gets knocked out your vote gets reallocated to your second choice or third choice fourth choice. Even your fish it's complicated. At least tabulating is complicated. Even the voting isn't all that complicated right now. We're starting to get the first round of numbers on who voters ranked as their first choice. We expect to get more of these first choice first round numbers tonight but if nobody gets fifty percent they keep going until somebody does. The actual tabulation of who ultimately wins the democratic primary is expected to take until next month before we actually know our own. Steve kornacki is watching this complex data as it starts to come in tonight. He's going to be giving a full update to my beloved colleague lawrence. O'donnell live in the next hour. So you will want to stay tuned for that. Stay us all right. That's going to do it for us for now overnight tonight. Of course we're going to be watching. Election results come in in new york including the new york mayor's race also the very interesting question of who will replace sivan's The new york state prosecutor in manhattan. Who's been pursuing this complex and potentially very consequential criminal investigation a former president. Donald trump and his business. We'll have coverage of all that and more tonight here on msnbc continuing now. The wage meadow show weeknights at nine eastern on msnbc.

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The Larry Elder Show 07-20-21 Hr 3 TUESDAYa

The Larry Elder Show

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The Larry Elder Show 07-20-21 Hr 3 TUESDAYa

"Is podcast is a production of the salem podcast network for more podcast like this from courageous voices of conservative reason visit salem podcast network dot com. This journey began at the age of love. He was introduced a hard work faith and family values however the struggling team. He wandered down the craft of least resistance finding himself jailed twice with a child. He had to fight rate by the grace of god. He attended an evangelical church and found that there was a better way. Jackson is my hero. He discovered that. Despite america's flaws guy used our founding fathers to create our constitution. It's divided exceptional. Nature is undeniable. Is this fake stuff about carl jackson. While the seed from south central is saving california. Three thinker from florida is in college. Accent is the reason i was born. Larry elder show with special guests. Carl jackson who again district who welcome back to the larry elder show. That intro gets me every time. Props sean props william. You guys didn't amazing amazing job on that. All right. the number call into the relieffactor dot com studios triple eight nine seven one seven. Two four three we are talking about the arizona audit that is taking place as well as how. The georgia secretary of state are a republican brad. Wrappings burger Really screwed up the georgia election. It's really as simple and sadly as bad as at the good news is there's a. There's a thing. Called redemption and republicans we will get to redeem ourselves in twenty twenty two. We do have to make sure that election integrity is a priority and here. Oh this prompts. Daily wire the texas democrats. So here's the headline. Texas democrats won't release a daily corona virus numbers anymore after ten percent of the members test positive. I think justice. I'm sorry i'm sorry. It's just one of those things that this is just poetic justice. This is just almost too good to be true. I don't wish any harm or any. Ilan anyone but After they staged that stunt This is just poetic justice. The texas democrats who fled their state to subvert. Democracy will reportedly no longer released daily numbers. On how many members have tested positive for the corona virus which comes as more than ten percent of the texas democrats who traveled to dc have tested positive for the corona virus during their time in the nation's capital poetic justice. Oh my goodness all right before. I get started. Let's go ahead and go to the line real quick. We've got darren in cleveland ohio darren. You've got the mike mrs. jackson how're you doing today. I'm doing great. Thank you all right. Thanks for taking my call. Really appreciate it So this is essentially just Wanted your opinion Watching everything that's been unfolding over the past you know year year and a half at this point in time and with the left essentially attempting to rewrite history. We've seen this before in other totalitarian regimes from hausa dog to the third rice When people are divided against themselves and essentially monitored for these types of things and demonized at what point do we not have a country anymore. If i agree fighting to save it is the only option here but are we destined to go through some really dark times that we haven't seen before. Yes honestly. I i don't. I don't think we're doomed. I don't believe that it's over. Are we going to go through some dark times. I think listen. The democrats will do everything in their power to remain in power. If you give democrats enough leeway cheat they will if you give them the opportunity to undermine your authorities american citizens they will and unfortunately as julie kelley mentioned and as i mentioned earlier in the program Sadly the rank and file your average democrat on the street believes that anyone that voted for trump is racist and a phobic. They have succeeded in turning us against each other. But i do believe that. The constitution is our mechanism to restore sanity. I do believe that if we can prioritize the our elections as arrigoni appears to be doing. And it looks like georgia's is finally Is finally doing the same thing. I think the constitution can withstand this. I think there's got to be enough. Freedom lovers out there that respect and love. The constitution revere the constitution enough to to share it to preach it. If you will to question people you don't have to get all up in people's face like barack obama said but i do think you have to start question. I really just don't believe a lot of liberals or democrats. I shouldn't say liberals but left district democrats which have become synonymous. Unfortunately i really don't think they think through freedom. I really believe that. I can remember one time i can remember one time i went to go get I went to get my truck repaired. I'll get back to these these audit results here but went to get my truck repaired and this was this was several years ago. I believe this was the first time marco rubio ran for senate and i had a marco rubio bumper sticker on my car and i went into this dealership to which i would never recommend getting your car fixed at a dealership unless you can really afford it but i i went there for one specific reason get in get out but at the the period of time that i was in there there was a black gentleman that was you know they have these. I don't know what you call them like texas. Or what have you that. Come up in ask you all these questions and basically they're in charge of your car repair from get to go. You know they'll contact you. Let you know if there's anything whatever may be so there was a black gentleman and he he looked at me he saw my bumper sticker and he straight up looked at me which is just disdain. Like oh you could just see it in his eyes like he he he hated me. You know and and And i saw that. And i was like yeah. Yeah checking out the marco rubio bumper sticker. He was at work so he responded his kindly as he could and he was like. Yeah yeah the the he said something like that threw me off for or or or something like that. I used to carry him. Perhaps i should again. I i used to carry. What the The the the achievements that the republican party accomplish for for blacks back from reconstruction all the way through the civil rights. Just in bullet points. I even made them in a flyers. In case i ran into to some people that have to debate and ask questions okay so i gave him one of those cards and then a couple of hours later i returned to pick up my truck and literally literally now this. This is a one off this. This hasn't happened before it didn't happen before it hasn't happened since but this black guy that just looked at me with such disdain. Told me this he said you know. I've been teaching my kids or my son. I'm sorry. I've been teaching my son. And if i recall correctly he was very specific. He said i've been teaching my eight year old son. If i recall correctly to hate white people teaching him that after reading that car he said. I will never do that again now. That was just a card on the republican party imagine if you teach them about the constitution the founders and everything that went into it. It's just bring in document. But i do believe that the constitution if we return to the constitution. It'll save this country but are we in dire times or things scary. I'm not gonna lie to you. yes they are. I never thought we go. This far left. I never thought that. So many americans would be duped by the left i never. I didn't think it was possible. I knew we were in bad shape. I didn't realize we were in this horrible shape but we are but we are. But i don't think we're doing we're doomed. I think you have to go local. I think you have to get involved in goto. Those school board meetings. Maybe maybe you have to run for a local office but if that's something you don't wanna do. Perhaps you're not cut out for. I would just say this start speaking. I'll see one of the tools. I believe that the left has uses. Just silencing us they've just silences we've are. We've voluntarily silenced ourselves. Bill talk about lgbtq rights. They'll talk about abortion. They'll they'll talk about all of these issues and then we shrink back because we don't want to offend now be bold be willing to share what you believe and explain why you believe it whether it's your faith in god whether it's your love for this country explain to people why because people just don't think through this stuff we're taught to hate each other based upon a After our name before a name when an vice versa. This is carl jackson and for larryelder. 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All right getting back quickly to this issue on the arizona audit and then we'll go into georgia are so this guy doug logan of cyber ninjas the co cyber ninjas he explains the difference between what they call ev thirty. Two's and ev thirty three. So here's what he says so. Follow me here just to be clear here in the state of arizona. There are ev thirty two ab thirty. Three's now the ev thirty. Two's are supposed to keep a record of win. A male land ballot is sent all right so the thirty. Two's keep the record of win. The ballot is sent. And then you have the ev thirty. Three's that are to be recorded when the mail and ballot is received. So ev thirty. Two's for ballots. Are sent ev thirty. Three's for ballots that are received so there should be more. Ev thirty two percent then ev. Thirty three's that were that were received but there's no clear indication that the ballots were ever sent out seventy four thousand ballots. So he says we don't have a clear indication that could be where the documentation wasn't done right he says Logan goes on to suggest. Maybe a door to door canvassing to help explain the discrepancy in the voter registrations. He says when we have seventy four thousand of these ballots in question it merit knocking on a door and validating this information so solution may be to go door to door in that crazy. The irregularities revealed during the hearing amounted to hundreds of thousands of votes. Ask yourself how long has arizona arizona has been a somewhat reliably red state. If i recall correctly georgia the same thing you get. Arizona georgia wisconsin. Trump wins. And it isn't my goal. I know even some people wanna right stop harping on on twenty two. You better harp on twenty twenty. Because if you don't harp on twenty twenty you won't figure out how to fix things for twenty twenty two and to get things right. Figure out what you did wrong you can you can. Both you can do both. Actually you can go back and look at twenty twenty and figure out what went wrong so you correct what you need to correct an order to win twenty twenty two and that's exactly what we see some state legislatures doing and then you guys may recall this. Oh my lord. I know this. Get us all heated on fox. News called the election for buying i. I don't. I don't recall if it was like one percent to it was. It was an extremely low number and they called arizona for biden. Now at the time. I was sitting in the Fox thirty five local studio here in orlando and i was doing commentary with some other political analyst commenting on the election at the time and i can remember trump wins florida and in numbers trump wins ohio easily trump loses arizona. I mean honestly. I was like oh okay i i. It shocked me is shocked. Me but fox called it. I think that gave the biting campaign the momentum and all the cronies that were up to corruption and up to no good. Hey there's our window go go go go. Google pretty amazing. There were major discrepancies with duplicate ballots. As well so there was serious discrepancies. According to this guy with the counting of duplicate ballots which made it extremely for all the for the auditor's to conduct an accurate count so anytime a ballot can't be run through the tabulated because it's damaged for instance. The duplicates are made Better than run through the tabular again. And so logan explained that there were roughly fifty thousand of those twenty five thousand originals and twenty-five thousand duplicates. Here's the problem. Thousands of those ballots had no serial number so the manifest that the that the auditors received the listing that the auditors receive stated that the ballots were the originals. So the auditors. Get some ballots that they were counting and it was stated from the information they received. Hey these are the original ballots. But when they got the ballots they were duplicates. They weren't original. They weren't originals. Eighteen thousand people who voted in the election were removed from the voter rolls. Soon after the election did you hear that. In the state of arizona and maricopa county eighteen thousand people who voted in the election or removed from the voter roll soon after the c. e. o. of cyber ninjas said. They were on the voter rolls. They showed voted in and then they were removed. Now there could be a logical explanation for this. Those numbers are pretty pretty high. I want you to listen to this. Listen to these numbers. This stuff is this stuff is just shocking to me. What we're finding out another eleven thousand three hundred twenty six voters in maricopa county. Were not on the voter rolls on november seventh but mysteriously appeared on voter rolls on december fourth and were marked as having voted in the november third election. Did you get that eleven thousand three hundred twenty six voters in maricopa county. Were not on the voter rolls on november seven but they appeared on the voter rolls on his on december fourth and they were marked as having voted on november third. Nothing to see here. I think not. I think there's plenty to see here. We've got to get this corrected. We have got to find out the truth. What happened in two thousand twenty. Can't happen again. We have to restore our election system to cre- covert lockdowns restore that system and make it even better make it where no one has to worry about election integrity whether that's voter. Id or everything. Else is carl jackson for larry elder. We'll be back in a few. 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Dot org where's the sage. He's saving california. And now here's special guests. Carl jackson on the larry elder show tip forgotten man before we get back to the The numbers from the arizona audit. You know one thing that i do think we have to be concerned about and we need to call our congressmen senators democrats. We have to really start making noise when it's not on the tv screen. It's like you forget about it right but we still have a border crisis house. Gop report hits biden Dims on the border crisis stat show continued migrant search. I just want to reiterate some of this stuff. A new report by house. Republicans on the oversight and judiciary committees hitting both the biden administration democratic lawmakers for the ongoing crisis at the southern border just just as new number show continued migrant surge this according to fox the staff report a copy of which was obtained by fox news outlines what republican said is a set of actions that show the by the administration precipitated a massive immigration crisis. And how house democrats have ignored. Repeated warnings from republicans to the detriment of our safety health and rule of law after boats taken by president. Trump stemmed the flow of illegal migrants. Coming into the us the biden administration has not only reverse course a measure seeking to stop the influx of border crossings but has instituted permissive policies and incentivize immigration do non-legal channels again. Hat tip forgotten. Man all this is about is importing. The new negro vote. All this is about is importing democrats through the southern border. We need to make more noise including myself when it comes to the border crisis because we tend to forget that so when it comes to election integrity one thing we have to make sure is that. There aren't a bunch of illegal aliens voting in our next election. This is why we have to get involved. This is why Our constitution our constitution is a great document. But it's not worth a darn thing if we don't fight for it if we don't adhere to it so we've just got to get out there and work you know. Republicans aren't used to conservatives aren't used to being activists we go to work and we buy groceries and go to church and then we shut our miles. We just try to be decent god fearing kid. People doesn't mean we don't screw up we do but the left is actively trying to transform america so we have to begin to actively save america and whatever facet that is in and again for some of you that as simple as having a conversation with a friend family member neighbor that perhaps you had had before perhaps starting off with a question. What do you think about this. what are you think. Are you concerned about that. You know it doesn't have to be antagonistic. You don't have to be nasty. You don't have to be a jerk. But i really do believe that people simply don't think through this stuff before i go forward. We've got mike on the line from santa barbara mike. You've got the mike. I call i love and thank you. I appreciate you welcome I wanted to import the possibility of a. It's a distinctly frightening possibility. But i haven't heard anybody discuss it and it's impossible to find any reasonable data hundred because i'm the internet because i don't think there is any but the possibility is that the people that are spreading the variant breakthrough virus are the vaccinated and they and the unvaccinated run the risk because all the vaccinated people are operating creek. Cove it in other words. They're piling on the plane and restaurants and appointing the dishes that they're spreading amongst themselves and if they can do that they can spread it to the unvaccinated the people in the texas lawmakers the new york yankees teammates Out through the olympics. They they all have contracted the breakthrough a real possibility that they run the risk of spreading it to the under. You know mike it is a it is a fascinating point that you make listen. Let let me tell you what i believe. I believe this disease is going to have. Its way this virus is going to have. Its this virus is going to have. Its way i think this virus. Listen i'm not a doctor. Okay obviously you guys know that. But you know i can tell you that i contract cova the person that contract for mass distance the whole nine the virus is going to have. Its way. the good news is that it isn't as deadly as it was and that a lot of hospitals doctor so on et cetera. Know how to treat for it. Unfortunately this is just turned so political It's absolutely crazy. And i fear that people are destroying life rather than saving lives because even doctors have become political on this issue. But i can tell you. I took vitamin c. d. and zinc along with xetra mice. They easy pack Not ha- ivermectin and prenton his own for a steroid and wit and hours. I was feeling much better with any hours. So there's treatments out there. I'm not sure that that would work for everybody. But that didn't work for me and it was a great relief. Projects for larry elder back in a few free speech. Live here on. The larry elder show with special guests. Carl jackson a welcome back to the larry elder program This is carl. Jackson said nanny your special guest host for the great elderski. The number to call in triple eight nine seven one seven. Two four three. You can follow me on facebook. Carl jackson radio Twitter or like me on facebook. Carl jackson radio twitter at carl jackson. Show check out my website. Carl jackson show dot com. And also i forgot to give props to the man in the studio right behind me lou Who helps me out with all the technical stuff that he has to deal with before. I step into the studio. So thank you lou. I never give him props in. He doesn't but i'm going to do it anyway. All right just did it all right so another so again. I just want to reiterate this point because this was really fascinating to me when it comes to arizona election so you had another eleven thousand three hundred twenty six voters in maricopa county That were not on the voter rolls on november seventh but mysteriously appeared on the voter rolls on december fourth and then they were marked as having voted on november third and the november third election. Now the left would like you or like like everyone. I think we're crazy but is it possible that the democrats just cheat. Is it possible that the democratic party is moral tomorrow. I'm going to do a show on real racism perceived racism and fake racism and hat tip forgotten. Man he's given me a lot of stuff. Some stuff that i use for tomorrow and some stuff that i'll be looking up myself. But why repealing. The hyde amendment will kill black lives. This from the the daily signal now won't get into it deeply. But i just want you to understand that when it comes to the democrat party of today they're leftists. We're dealing with a corrupt bunch of communist. We're dealing with a bunch of people that i mean absolutely could care less about life in americans. If people don't care about a baby. That are in politics. I i understand. Listen don't fall under condemnation. i understand. There's some women out there You know that that that may have half the procedure. And i'm not condemning you. I'm not judging you. But i will say that abortion a baby is it's the the baby isn't The baby is in the mother's room but it's not of the mother. There's separate dna strand. So you know that but these democrats want. They're upset because they say the hyde amendment is under attack. They one more women to kill their babies now. Overwhelmingly black women sadly have abortions. That's not racist and these people keep anyway. I'll get into that tomorrow. I don't know. I i have these I don't want to go off on a tangent. But i'll get into that tomorrow real racism fake racism amd perceived racism and. We'll have fun with that show tomorrow all right. So many ballots bled through as well so the auditors also found that the large numbers are large. Numbers ballots bled through to the other side. Potentially impacting other votes other ballots. Maricopa county announced before the election that it would be using these Secure vote or vote secure ballots. They didn't allowing to bleed through through other ballots. But they did they did. They used paper thin stock ballots mostly on election day and the electronic systems that they were using an arizona. And and honestly i got i. I gotta be truthful with you. I'm just as outrageous. Upset with republicans. How are you not aware of this. How are you not aware of this. How were you not on top of this. This makes no sense to me. If you give democrats leeway to cheat guess what not. And then they'll lie and say we cheat that's what they do this or modus operandi projection. What they do they blame us for doing absolutely amazing to me. So the electronic systems haven't been updated since two thousand eight according to this guy logan of cyber ninjas the ceo of cyber ninjas any worthwhile hacker could penetrate and access the voter registration system our server within ten minutes. It was so outdated. I don't know what arizona was up to. i really don't know what they were thinking. I really don't know what they were doing. So i expect leftist act like leftists but it's time for republicans act like we love freedom to secure our elections and make sure this never happens again and that's why we need to investigate. That's why i feel like every state should be audited. We should know what's going on in every single state every single person. I don't care if you're in a republican democrat green party liberty. I could care less. All of us should know that our our our elections are secure that our elections are fair. We should we deserve that. Georgia's secretary of state explains why he's just now discovering more than ten thousand illegal votes cast in twenty twenty so during a detailed discussion with the federalist hat tip federalist representatives from the georgia secretary of state's office provided their perspective on new evidence suggesting more than ten thousand three hundred georgia voters illegally cast ballots in the november twenty twenty General elections so. It's possible the tens of thousands of people Broke the law. They violated section. Twenty-one dash to dash to eighteen of the state's election code and this particular code requires residents to vote in the count. This sounds like such a simple thing. doesn't it. It requires voting voters to vote in the county and which they live this. Vote where you live. Vote where you live unless they had changed their residents and thirty days so thirty. Five thousand georgia voters who indicated. They had moved from georgia. County to another voted in the twenty twenty general election in the county from they had moved thirty. five thousand. What trump lose that by. I think it was right over ten thousand. I'm not sure maybe. Twelve thousand thirty five thousand georgia voters who indicated that move from one county to another voted and a twenty twenty general election and the county from which they had moved. Oh man. I'm going to get into this more before before i have to lead today again. i appreciate. Oh journey to the great elderski elect elder dot com elect elder dot com elected elder dot com. This is carl jackson. In for larry elder. I welcome back to the larry elder show. This is your special guest. Host carl jackson coming to you live from the relief factor dot com studio. The number to call triple eight nine seven one. Seven two four three. You can like me on facebook. Carl jackson radio twitter et carl jackson. Show follow me. On karl jackson show dot com and for californians listening. You have a state to stay. You have a state to save so you. It's a two step process for those of you. That will be voting on the recall. I we have to pray and hope. That larry elder gets his name on the ballot. You know the the left or corrupt as all get outwit. Greasy gavin newsom In charge in the state of california. Got eric garcetti. And the county of los angeles so it is a two step process and that is i. You have to vote to recall. Greasy gavin newsom and it probably won't say greasy on the ballot but it won't say democrat on the ballot. So gavin newsom you have to vote to recall gavin some and then you pick the best candidate and that is larry elder and then california you may just save your state. You may just save your state. So i hope that is the case. We hope and pray. That larry elder's name kits on the ballot and he is fighting that For sure all right so going back to. Oh my goodness okay so going back to this issue with the georgia with the georgia elections. This is all of this stuff is the good news is all of. This stuff can be corrected. Unfortunately we found out when it was a little too late and honestly by the time that trump filed for his lawsuits. It was it was honestly too late in one case. Let me see in one case Trump's claims violations were never heard by a judge. and that's because chief judge of Fulton county chris. Brasher failed to appoint a legally eligible eligible judge to hear the case until a month after the lawsuit was filed and then they scheduled the trial for january eighth. And by that time it was just too late. It just wasn't going to happen just wasn't gonna happen Anyway i want. Oh let's take one more call. We got a very short period of time. So you only have thirty seconds. Nancy you've got the mic. Gotta make it quick though. Okay you're doing a great job. I work in healthcare for years and the democrat. Volunteers come in and to facility. I worked in about a hundred alzheimer's dementia patients force them to vote. All right nancy. I appreciate the call. Listen there's no way for me to prove that. But i can tell you that. I've read similar stories that nancy just proclaimed. Here's the bottom line folks. If we give democrats the leeway to cheat they'll cheap so republican legislatures and everybody that You republicans period conservative. If you can get involved get involved in any way shape or form. Talk to your neighbors talk to your friends. Talk to your family. Talk about freedom. The bible talks about talking about Talking about the ten commandments. Target about the laws talking. About god's goodness all the time talk about the constitution as well talk about the constitution. Talk about god. That's we'll save this country. So i will say and boat make sure we vote all right guys until next time. Don't worry doing good. This is carl jackson in for larry elder. We'll see you next time.

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'Summer of activism' for voting rights begins to heat up

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

46:35 min | 2 months ago

'Summer of activism' for voting rights begins to heat up

"The show we at nine eastern on. Msnbc a week ago today in phoenix. arizona. It's thursday last week. It was one hundred and twelve degrees in phoenix. That day. fired up. Can't take it no more. One hundred and twelve degrees that day in phoenix not counting the radiant heat off the tarmac there. That was outside the office of arizona's republican attorney general. Mark burn vich. Those folks were protesting outside his office. Because of his role in promoting and defending new voting rights restrictions in arizona including all the way up to the united states supreme court also arizona's new rules about how the state's elections will be conducted in the future. New rules explicitly designed to make sure officials from the democratic party. Can't play a top role in election administration in arizona anymore. Only republicans will be allowed to do that from here on out of those folks protesting outside attorney. General brnovich is office last week arizona. Nine of them were arrested. They weren't wasn't a violent or anything. It was civil disobedience it was a planned act stepped into the street with the understanding. That police would warn them and then arrest them. Technically for blocking traffic but nine people put themselves forward for arrest that day. To to dramatize their case for voting rights in arizona and against with the attorney general had done there to throttle them that same day like this a week ago today. President biden vice president harris hosted a small group of influential civil rights leaders voting rights advocates in a closed door. Working meeting at the white house to talk. Basically about what can be done. What what the plan is what plan can be developed to try to save voting rights to try to backstop both voting rights and the free and fair and non partisan administration of elections because republicans are attacking both of those things so aggressively in every single state where hold power this year. It all on the republican side. It has been driven as you know. It has at least dovetailed with this increasingly insane jeremiah. From former president trump that he didn't lose the two thousand twenty election there must have been terrible fraud and he insists that republicans who support him must lead weird inquisitions into the two thousand twenty all over the country and then of course proclaimed that really he was the real winner and he should be named president now today arizona. Republicans who are doing their so called audit in arizona. They gave a briefing on their progress. Only two republican senators were there but they tried to call it a hearing. This was this audit that they're doing in arizona. They launched it in april. They said it would take three weeks of course now mid july and they're still going strong. They made clear today that they're definitely finding all the fraud. They've been fantasizing about but it's definitely gonna take lots more investigation lots more materials probably lots more donations from trump supporters nationwide. It looks like they will subpoena more stuff from the county maricopa county where they got all these ballots from the way they were talking about it today. It sounds like they think they've got weeks ago. Maybe month still go. It's such a big complex investigation. There's no sign that there was anything wrong with presidential vote in arizona. Nothing there's no sign that it that there was anything wrong with it at all. And i'm saying that notch like 'cause i can observe it. It's because i can observe that. The vote in arizona was subjected to multiple official recounts including hand recounts by people who are actually certified to do that work and know what they're talking about. They found that the arizona presidential election was sound and there were no problems. But of course that won't do at today's briefing on their new different special pro-trump republican audit the head of cyber ninjas. The guy in the left this random cunanan promoting guy who arizona republicans assigned to lead the audit. He kept insisting at this hearing today that this is an incredibly complicated incredibly complex very very difficult process and therefore it's going to take a lot more time and obviously a lot more money for him. It's gonna take lots more work to figure it all out maricopa county itself the county. They took all the ballots in the voting machines from They responded today with this quote. It's complicated and difficult for senate contractors to do this audit because they are not qualified to do this audit it would be like asking doug logan from cyber ninjas to play point guard for the phoenix suns. That too would be complicated and difficult not qualified to do that. That was from the county itself today. The chair the republican chair of the county board of supervisors responded to this briefing on the arizona. Clown show audit today with this he said quote. It's clear the people hired by arizona. Senate leadership to supposedly bring integrity to our elections are instead just bringing incompetence at today's briefing. The senate's uncertified contractors asked a lot of open ended questions portraying as suspicious. What's actually normal and will known to people who work in elections in some cases. They dropped bombshell numbers. That are simply not accurate. What we heard today represents an alternate reality. That has veered out of control since the november general election. Senate leadership should be ashamed. They broadcast the half baked theories of the deep Crowd to the world today to senate leaders. i say. Stop accusing us of not cooperating. When we've given you everything qualified auditors would need to do this job finish your audit released the report and be prepared to defend it in court. Prepared defended in court again. That's the county that had all its ballots and voting machines. Taken for this thing they're doing arizona by the republicans in the legislature. Who literally turned all of the ballots in the voting machines over to this on conspiracy theory bizarro process which apparently is going to go on indefinitely. Now i mean literally the quasi-official documentary about the arizona audit which all the republicans and the contractors involved in it for -ticipant it in Was made by a guy who's previous movies are all about how it was space aliens who did nine eleven. And the nazis have secret base on the moon and lizard. People live inside the earth in special pods and control all. Check your fillings. The maricopa county guy when he said that you should be embarrassed about broadcasting the deep the half-baked deep rigged z. Frig theories that's the deep rig reference from the maricopa county guy. Deep raise is the name of the insane movie about the arizona audit from the film maker. Who brought you nine. Eleven started on mars for what it's worth. Former president trump apparently watch the zona hearing today about their audit and now considers it a done deal. He considers the election. Joe biden to be definitively debunked. He is ready to be reinstated in washington. Gas up the beast president former president trump said today that airasia must decertify. It's election because he won there and he wanted all the other swing states to he is ready to be reinstated as president. Why is it taking so long. He said today quote the arizona. Senate patriots are moving forward with the final results to be announced in the not too distant future but based on today's hearing why even wait. Why even president biden should just move out now because republicans and cyber ninjas have fixed the problem of trump apparently losing the election. Now he gets to be president again. Why even wait so. I mean all seriousness that whole thing about trump thinking he's still president and importantly telling his supporters that the fraud has been proven and biden's only pretending to be president and he got there based on a crime and he needs to get thrown out because he's not a real president he's illegitimate that little thing. That's getting worse and not better right. Now that's heading faster and faster toward a cliff that keeps getting higher and higher ignoring that. Problem is not making it. Go away that is heading toward a very very bad end more quickly all the time but even republicans who aren't willing to explicitly espouse those craziest trump election fantasies. They are all going after voting election administration hammer and tongs regardless and democrats plans to try to stop it. Frankly aren't coming together. At least they're not coming together at the national level that same day last week when that civil rights leaders and voting rights advocates to the white house. Meet with president biden and vice president harris. A here on this show that night. I put the question to one of the people who've been in the room at the white house for that meeting wade henderson from the leadership conference on civil and human rights. I asked mr henderson. Basically why he didn't feel more despair about voting rights right now. I mean republicans succeeding with all these new anti voting rights restrictions all across the country the courts with the conservative majority and the us supreme court leading the way stripping legal protections for voting even for voting restrictions that admittedly only go after minority voters the courts effectively closing themselves off to hearing voting rights cases or vindicating people who've been victimized by restrictions on their voting rights unified republican opposition in washington to passing anything to bolster voting rights at all and democrats. Who can't figure out a way to pass voting rights protections without republicans. Even though you know a little unity and a single change in the senate rules is all democrats would need to be able to do it. So i said to wait henderson. After he'd had that meeting at the white house after he had come out of that meeting at the white house and said he felt encouraged on voting rights. I said to him it feels to me. Like all doors are closed. Why do you feel encouraged. What do you know that. I don't know what else can be done. This is what he said. There was a real belief that we on who are advocates for change. Have to take direct action if we are going to be effective and rolling back what we see happening at the state level in the courts and the failure congress particularly the republican senate to address these issues we will be engaging in a summer of direct action in an effort to highlight the importance of this issue and what is needed at to help turn it around for example a next week a group of a black african american woman. I will be leading a week of action. I n d c That they hope will help. Give voice to the concerns of african american women and will help propel this issue to the front of people's agenda a summer of direct action. He was speaking one week ago today. Here on the show. Talking about a summer of direct action led by. He said last week next week. A group of african american women leading a week of action in dc. The courts are increasingly closed to the american public on this issue. Republicans are ramming through restrictions. In the state's democrats can't get it together. Because people like senator democrat democratic. Senator joe manchin. They can't get it together to protect anybody from washington and so this. This is the other way direct action this is. This is the idea this it turns out. Is the plan direct action to try to create a new way around what is otherwise an impenetrable political impasse and of course direct action doesn't mean force doesn't mean violence by any means but it does mean physical action it means demonstrations it means tactical personal action. It means showing up in a way that is designed to move people to wake up their conscience to make them see their incentives to act or not act differently than they did before nonviolent direct action and civil disobedience was what we saw that same day last week at one hundred and twelve degrees fahrenheit and phoenix arizona. outside the attorney general's office nine arrests at that protest. That's what we saw in arizona last week. That's what we saw today in washington. Just as wade henderson told us we would see today in washington. Dc the chair of the congressional black caucus joyce beatty and a group of about twenty civil rights. Activists mostly black women They marched through the streets in dc to the us capitol this is congresswoman bay congresswoman badie in the front there and the blue blazer escorted by the congresswoman. The group entered one of the senate office buildings this afternoon when they walked in the door the congresswoman took second to really punctuate what they were doing there and what their intentions were sending a strong message. We have black leaders from across the country. Black leaders who marched with john lewis. This is not about one. Generation is about all generates s. We are represented by generations. And that squad today is looked at where we think. Yes we stand in the united states senate places that we couldn't work. We couldn't even cleans at one time today. Black women say we're not waiting for women's says that we're demanding our right and it starts today it starts today congresswoman joyce speedy of ohio chair of the black caucus. She and her group started marching through the lobby. The atrium of the senate office building Singing songs you might recognize on the right there. In the black voters matter t-shirt latasha brown has been a guest on our show. A number of times turns out. She has amazing pipes. Just beautiful voice. They made their way to the center of the building. They kept singing. Clocks asked the senate to act to protect voting rights capital police officer started warning them over a megaphone that they were all about to be arrested. If they didn't stop as you can tell their voices drown. That's right about the time. The singing turned into chanting. You can hear them here. Saying and the filibuster and the filibuster. There's all those police officers waiting in the wings. See what's coming congressman beatty. Then started a chant of past. The four of the people act has the for the people act and see that police officer off to the side. They're reading zip ties. That is when the arrest started congresswoman. Beatty was the first one arrested as her hands are being put in zip ties. She started one more chance than fight for justice congresswoman badie and eight others arrested today at the capital and the arrest gave us this sort of stunning image today and others like chair the congressional black caucus our hands zip tied behind your back. A police officer with her belongings at a plastic bag part of the processing for arrest congresswoman. Beatty has been processors since been released from police custody. She released this statement this evening. Saying 'i stand in solidarity with black women and allies across the country and defensive our constitutional right to vote. We have come too far and fought too hard to see everything systematically dismantled and restricted by those who wish silence us the assured. This is just the beginning. That was today direct action in washington. Dc was been a lot of talk a lot of speechifying on voting rights including barn burner of a speech on voting rights. The president himself this week in philadelphia but unless some new path is opened. We are heading into a very near future. We're not only is voting made significantly harder for all the communities least likely to cast votes for republican candidates. But we're headed into a next election soon in a whole new environment that we've never been in before we're not only to have new. Voting restrictions but republicans coast to coast are primed and eager to believe that election results are not real and objectively knowable and election. Results should not count unless they win. Where the administration of elections is taken over by partisans from that party who think the same way partisans who think that same way. Our newly empowered to handle not only the counting but disputes and rule changes and audits and recounts and certification or decertification of election results. Especially ones that aren't to their liking. That is what we are heading into for the next election. Unless there's some kind of federal action to backstop voting rights and the nonpartisan administration of elections this massive effort from the trump wing of the republican party to corrupt an illegitimate twenty twenty election result. You think that's a standalone effort. You think that only applies to twenty twenty as that desperate future gets closer and closer and as the normal paths around. It seemed to be coming to dead ends. We are now seeing the phase in this fight or the people who care the most about it are willing to do the most about it are trying to create brand new paths to make progress possible and they're using direct action to do it. We're seeing that at scale all with the democrats from the texas legislature. All walking out of the state capital in austin and flying to washington. This week they're going to be in washington four weeks away from their homes away from their families all to deny a quorum back home to slow down with the republicans are trying to do to voting rights there and of course dramatizing by their very presence in washington. How much only federal help matters. How much only federal action can stop the country from sliding toward what we are sliding toward in a moment. Just we're going to speak. With one of those texas democrats who met with conservative democratic senator joe mentioned today Fascinating the confrontation between him. Being the man who was stopping progress on voting rights in america and the texas democrats who have left their homes and their jobs and come to washington to beg for his help. He came out of that meeting with texas democrats today saying it was good meeting and informative meeting. He said that they were all in complete agreement. That action must be taken in washington to protect voting rights. He then said that every senator democrat and republican should vote should vote for voting rights protections. That's what he thinks should happen so there shouldn't have to be a rule change or anything because it'll be one hundred to nothing. Vote should be. So that's what he is hoping for. I guess and hope is good. Hope is excellent. Hope is life giving but hope is not a strategy as of right now. Direct action is the last remaining strategy joining us now. Is melanie campbell. She's the president and ceo of the national coalition black civic participation. She was one of the people who is arrested alongside congressman choice speed up congresswoman beatty. Today i should add that all the women arrested today in that protests will be meeting with vice president kamala harris at the white house tomorrow on the issue of voting rights miss kimble. I'm sure this has been a long and intense day already. Thank you for staying up and being here with us tonight. Appreciate you being here. Thank you rachel. i'm always up watching you so i'm good to say to get you a nielsen box quickly before this is over Let me just ask you about this experience today. This was a dramatic thing At at at at personal risk that you and your colleagues did today. How did you decide to do it. And how did it go. Well first of all Thank thank you again for the invitation to join you tonight Actually what what a sparked me and several others really to to decide to organize lasy. Nonviolent civil disobedience direct action was really after the vote when the senate the ten senators would not even vote to debate voting rights. Not just the name of the bill. Just the notion that you won't even have a discussion and so for us. That was like a line cross to say that our vote. Voting rights can be shelved In this country. And that's not okay and so we knew we had to continue to engage. I was in the meeting with my theorized colleagues last week with president biden in vice president biden but also we also knew we needed to really weigh in with the The senate and so for us. We're going to continue a summer of activism Not just in washington dc but across this country As you mentioned my brother wade henderson. Who's be doing some actions. Around the congressman. John loses one year anniversary of his passing. That come out that. I'm a daughter of the south rich. I come out of a place called florida. We're harry and harriet t more home was bombed it. Acp leaders who will be the homeless bomb. Why because it would register. Black people vote so it's in my dna quite frankly And come out of atlanta where i spent a lot of years with into civil rights community and so we know that direct is one of the tools that we must use when we can't get our leaders to act and so that's that's part of our strategy not the only part of the strategy is part of the strategy. I feel like democrats in in washington have perfected the art of speaking on this issue including i think the president deserves credit for an impassioned speech that he gave earlier this week on it. They have not been able to translate that into action as you say direct action the kind of direct action that you and your colleagues engaged in today is another part of the strategy to try to to try to try to push it to try to get through this impasse staff to ask thinking about it tactically the way that you are being willing to put yourself out there the way that you you have including today looking ahead to those other elements of direct action that we're expecting over the summer. Are you hopeful. Are you optimistic. do you see a path Do i believe the one thing about it. she has a great teacher. And sometimes you can look at something and say in a sister. Reverend dr bernice king new on a town hall this week as part of either Are a week of action. And it's always darkest before the dawn and so if you believe in that. And we have faith in that. We have the united methodist building prior to going over to the senate and spent a couple of hours With speak-out with Leaders from from georgia. Who helped make sure that the turnout happened in georgia of the texas. Legislators came by and we had several of our organizations from across the gamut come together in unity To make sure that we are clear that for earth voting rights is not It's not an option to say we will go back to the nineteen forties rachel because at the end of the day for americans in this country. We have always had to fight for our vote. We've always had to have fell into intervention and so for us to say well we don't have enough votes. What does that mean. We risk our lives in two thousand and twenty two to turn out the vote in the middle of a pandemic and so we expect for leaders to lead. And so we're gonna continue to put the pressure on those leaders And believe that in the end of the day we will win. We went tomorrow. I shall not but we will continue to fight until we win. Melanie kimball is the convener of black women's roundtable president and ceo of the national coalition on block civic participation and was arrested today alongside the chair of the black caucus Protesting for voting rights in the senate office building this campbell. Thank you for your time tonight. I hope hope you get a good night's sleep after what i know has been stressful and intense day. Thank you for being here tonight. Thank you so much. Thank you are coming up. Next as i mentioned. We're going to be talking with one of those democrats texas. Who has who has left her home. State left her family left. Her job came across the country to stop republicans from what they're doing against voting rights. In texas to dramatize to the senate to dramatize to washington that federal help is needed to try to stop what is otherwise happening at the hands of republican legislatures and governors across the country. She has an incredible story to tell. She met today with one of the democratic senators who is standing in the way of democrats protecting voting rights. She met today with joe manchin. Tell us about that next. Stay with us. Our world is facing some big challenges. Chuck todd breaks down a deep dive into a new topic. Instead of covering all the big stories. We're gonna cover one. Single subject impacting american politics exploring and explaining the critical issues that affect our future. Meet the press. Reports all episodes of season two are now available on demand on peacock. Everybody everybody it's savannah guthrie and i'm hoda copy and we've got some great news to share that today show is now available wherever you get your podcast. Can you believe that right now. You can get your daily dose of news headlines in the day's top interviews from us right here every single morning. We have what you need to start your day and it's available every day. Wherever you get your podcast subscribe in followed today to start listening. I'm not here to take a vacation in washington. Dc not going to be hostage mice constituents writer be stripped from them. We too long and too hard in this country. These republican this this legislature have changed the messiah. Jesus to trump. would. I haven't and i'm gonna make sure when everything that i can do that. Mack of city right will not be stripped from them because of what they believe in. This lie trap lost the election and they need to tell the people of this country that truth and if they won't i'm going to and if they won't i'm going to i believe her. She is the dean of the texas state democratic caucus. Her name is representative sinfonia thompson. She was elected to the texas state house the year before i was born in nineteen seventy two. At the time. She was a single mother of three. She managed to put herself through law school while also serving in the legislature. She became a lawyer. She opened her own solo. Practice houston chronicle recently. Wrote about how in her. Nearly fifty years of lawmaking in the texas house presentative thompson has been at the forefront of historic change. She led successful efforts to raise the minimum wage in her state. She helped ban racial profiling by police. She forced insurance companies to cover advanced mammograms and hp tests. She was the driving force behind the passage of texas first alimony law as well as a hate crimes bill and her state representative. Sinfonia thompson is the longest serving african american woman in the history of the texas legislature. She's the longest serving woman of any race to ever serve in that body but this week she has left texas she is a texas institution who has left texas along with her colleagues to slow down. Republican efforts to restrict voting rights back home by denying them a quorum and to push in washington for federal help for new federal protections that would stop republicans from what they're trying to do to voting rights. They're trying to do to election administration. Not only in texas but everywhere. Today sinfonia thompson was one of the texas democrats who met with democratic. Us senator joe manchin who stands almost alone in blocking democratic efforts to protect voting rights. For the american people. How do you think that went joining us. Now is democratic texas state representatives in front of thompson representative thompson. It's real honor to have you here tonight. Thank you so much. Thank you for letting me join you. Let me just start by asking how the meeting went with senator mention today. I thought it went well. We were able to have dialogue with him and tell him about our plight in texas and the urgency that we see in the federal government Legislature up here passing the bill to protect voters rights of texas americans. Senator mentioned came out of that meeting and said that he was in total agreement with you and the other democrats he met with on the need to protect voting rights. He said that he Has an idea of legislation that should get support from every senator that could get a hundred. Did nothing bipartisan support. I have to ask if he he shared with you. And your colleagues what that what that is. It sounds like it sounds wonderful but it sounds a little bit like magic given the the impasse that it feels like. We're otherwise at on this issue. I was your worst bajic but let me tell you. Basically say we talked about the voters rights at And we talked about section five and section two and we talked about the Bill that we have pending in our state legislature and. What his ideas were that. He thought that he could put guardrails around impasse and get the enough support from the senate to pass it and be able to protect right. The voting americans. How do you feel things have gone in these few days. And you and your colleagues took this remarkable step got on those planes in texas and and flew to washington. Obviously that has the practical effect of slowing down. What's going on at home with what the republicans are trying to do But you came to washington also not just to get gone but to to make this case the dramatic case that you're making by your physical presence that federal help is needed. How has it been these past few days. How do you feel it's going. Why i think it's going well and the reason that we came particularly reason why i came. It's when i go back to my childhood. The things that happened. And i saw the struggle of african americans in this state and my state now is eighty four percent people of color. And we're back at square one almost and trying to protect a right that we have that all citizens happen given and we're up here trying to make sure that the republicans do not manipulate the law and strip trickery albuque- voting rights to benefit themselves to stay in power i think we've made some advancements and being able to advance arguments as to why we think the congress is the ideal place to ensure that all americans participate and have a voice and they've democratic process by voting texas state representative sinfonia thompson an institution in the texas legislature with an in an unparalleled way dina the texas house of representatives and the democrats Representative thompson it is It is an honor to have you here tonight. I know that you and your colleagues have really put yourselves out at great personal inconvenience to do what you're doing. Thank you for helping us understand. I hope things go well in the days ahead. My pleasure all right. We've got much more ahead here tonight. Stay with us. Hey it's chris as my podcasts. Why is this happening. I'll be talking with palestinian american scholar and author and historian rashid khalidi on the state of palestinian politics. In this moment a two state solution is not gonna happen. At least not until they're changes inside israel unless and until the status quo is a one state solution. That's the state of his. There's one population register israel controls. You cannot come in. you cannot go out. You can register child. You cannot marry anywhere within that territory unless they. There's a luge of palestinian authority which is a mirage in terms real sovereignty jurisdiction authority. It exists it. Performs governmental services on sufferance by permission but its main job is to keep the palestinians down to provide security for israel as it continues to occupy colonists. That's this week on. Why is this happening search for. Why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe headline in the saint. Louis post dispatch today quote national institutes of health director most worried about missouri's covid nineteen spread compared to any other state and here it is in the washington post the delta variant is ravaging this missouri city. Many residents are still wary of vaccines. And then. here's the kansas city star. These southwest missouri counties are covid hotspots. State advisory says. That's about this advisory warning that missouri's help this advisory warning that missouri's health department issued today since hospitalizations have spiked across state counties in your region are experiencing a surge in cova cases and hospitalizations. You take a look at the bottom part of that map you can see. The southern part of missouri is getting getting hit. The hardest greene county is among the worst of it. That's springfield missouri is hospitals in greene. County say they are overrun nail They're at capacity already with the influx of new sick patients. Still steeply rising. The ceo of cox health in springfield said yesterday. We are at our capacity mercy hospital also in springfield They ran out of ventilators this month. They had to borrow from other hospitals. They've been treating more than one hundred thirty patients every day since sunday. And i know that's an absolute value number. What does that mean while for context. That's more patients than they have ever treated before for cova that's more patients than they treated daily during the winter spike that everybody thought was the worst of it. They're treating more covert patients in springfield missouri now than they ever have before and hospital administrators. Say over the next three to four weeks. There anticipating only higher and higher numbers in terms of the new daily influx. Where will those patients go. Springfield missouri is running out of room for covert patients already. They need a place to put the patients that are sure to come as we talked about on the show last night. The county health department and local hospitals asked the state. They've asked the governor of missouri. Republican governor mike parson to to help them set up some kind of alternative care site in springfield for covid patients. They need somewhere to send cove in patients who are stable enough to move. They need to make room for the dire cases that are coming in in such great numbers. Now we checked in with the springfield greene county health department today about the status of their request after they made this public appeal yesterday for basically a new field hospital. A new care site to be set up by the state. They told us that the state hasn't answered hasn't yet given them any answer or any time line for even when they will make a decision but as the county health director put yesterday when she announced the request is pretty simple but she said quote. We need help. We'll be get it joining us. Now is dr robin trotman. Infectious disease physician at cox health and springfield missouri. Dr trotman. it's a pleasure to have you with us tonight. Thanks very much for taking time to be here. Rachel for so we've been following what's going on in your region and at your hospital. As best as we can from afar i think the country's is are increasingly on southwest missouri and southern missouri with concern about. What's happening there in terms of covid cases covert hospitalizations and hospital capacity. What should the country now about the trouble that you're in right now. Well this is. This has been similar our previous surge that we would have seen a last year. Only this was much more explosive. The only word that i can use You know we went from a lull in the spring to at an add capacity as far staffing. Goes we were ready as far as our supplies in our in our physical beds. But we didn't have the staff and that's what stress is the systems right now and that's why some of our outlying hospitals we have to transfer patients in can't accept them to our main hospitals so those are limits but really the thing that has been most surprising is the age of the demographic of the patients there much younger and they do get sick her in this really. We had a long lag time last year in the middle of the us and this time it really came up on his fast to where we went from. You know twenty or thirty patients in the hospital to now were full with one hundred. Thirty to one hundred. Forty patients In the demographics very different it's younger. People fewer co morbidity. You wouldn't expect them to be so sick so quickly so This is just kind of a warning to people around the country as you watch. This delta variant evolve be ready to manage a different demographic of patients. What kind of help do you need. We obviously saw that pretty dramatic requests for help to the state that was made by the county health director and your hospital in another large hospital yesterday. Asking for an alternative care site to be set up basically saying that physically things are maxed out. They need more space more staffing more funding. For things like antibiotic treatments that if you can get them to people before they're too sick to be in the hospital sometimes that can alleviate the risk of progression the disease. What kind of help do you need. So all of those are true. You know probably priority. One is is a physical space to manage the the less sick patients that are transitioning to home. It's a lot different this time you know before. We had a lot of senior citizens in maybe nursing home outbreaks and they had a disposition they had a nursing home to go to In this case you have younger people who maybe are a little too sick to go home in the sort of a halfway point. Four oxygen at minimum medical care. Another big one is is you hit it out as the monoclonal antibody infusions. Were probably not doing those as much as we like due to logistics and staff and we filled up some of our units where we were infusing those in the net that has a backup for people who have other urgent medical needs broken bones in other illnesses. So the alternative care side. You know this was just proposed to the state in the last couple of days. So i know that it sitting on their desk in their willing to help if we have a good track record of collaborating in standing up other alternative care sites around the state but yeah we could use that physical space for the infusions in and we could use help with staff at least until more of our travelling contract staff. Arrive dr robin trotman. Infectious disease physician at cox health in springfield missouri. Again the country's really looking at you with concern both to learn the lessons but also really pulling for you and your staff at this difficult time. Thank you for your work. Then thank you for helping understand. It woke him tonight. We'll be right back. Stay with us. So this is from the transcript lawyer addressing the judge quote seriously. This is what you think is worth the time and effort of the of all the lawyers your staff on this proceeding the judge. I would caution you to not question my procedure. I'm here to question what you've done sir. I'm here to evaluate lawyer. And i am not a potted plant. The judge i'm here to evaluate lawyer. I am not a. I will represent my client. The judge that is quite fine. But you don't worry about what i'm doing at this point. You are here to answer my questions. Fatso that went well then hearing went on like that for six hours on monday. This week started this week. As a federal judge in michigan called that hearing to determine whether nine pro-trump lawyers should face sanctions whether they should be punished by the court for the laugh out loud trump lawsuit. They brought last november demanding. That michigan should be forced to give their electoral votes to donald trump. Even though biden won the michigan election the judge dismissed the actual lawsuit months ago. But now that same judges deciding whether there ought to be consequences for these lawyers for using her courtroom to push lies and conspiracy theories with only made up evidence to base it all on it. And i say it's made up evidence because of the judges ascertainment. The judge called the pieces of evidence they presented for this lawsuit quote. Fantastical and quote obviously questionable. If not false on their face in one of the affidavits. They tried to submit as part of this case. A poll watcher said he felt the way that ballots were being handled was quote perplexing in the hearing on monday. The judge asks the potted plant lawyer quote and you being perplexed by an observation is sufficient enough to get into court. It's sufficient to support affidavit. Do you feel that that constitutes evidentiary supports her lawyer absolutely in this case the judge. Okay the word. Wow only rarely comes up in trial transcripts and never from the judge those lawyers could be in some trouble. They could ultimately face disbarments over their actions in that trump case in in michigan. Here's something else to watch tomorrow morning. A whole different slate of pro-trump lawyers are going to face their own totally separate sanctions hearing before a totally separate federal judge this time in colorado. These are pro-trump lawyers who filed their own lawsuit seeking to overturn the twenty twenty election They brought their suit against the voting machine. Company dominion and facebook and facebook. Ceo and his wife And election officials georgia michigan pennsylvania. Wisconsin they were all in on it together. The the deep plot to rig the election the best part is that these lawyers filed the suit as a class action. They named as their class of plaintiffs all one hundred and sixty million registered voters in america and they start one thousand dollars per voter in damages. They sought one hundred and sixty billion dollars. You'll be shocked to hear. That case was laughed out of court. Just like the one was in michigan. But now the people who are sued in that bananas case dominion facebook and pennsylvania and michigan. They've all asked the court to sanction those lawyers as well for bringing that ridiculous case for using the court system for that purpose. The state of pennsylvania argues in their motion for sanctions against those lawyers quote. The far fetched conspiracy theories being peddled here feed dangerous narrative that the presidential election was somehow compromised. Election workers have been threatened because people believe that lie. People stormed the capitol for the same reason states have relied on. These lies. is the reason to change. voting laws. appropriating a court's legitimacy to package lies as legal claims and then legitimizing dangerous conduct based on those false. Legal claims is a vexatious use of litigation attorneys acted in bad faith by initiating this lawsuit should be sanctioned as a consequence again attorney pro-trump attorneys have been ordered to appear before a federal judge in colorado bright and early tomorrow morning. Watch this space. I will certainly be watching that courtroom. That is going to do it for us tonight. Earlier in the show we talked about congresswoman joyce beatty and the dramatic or of the congresswoman tonight at the senate office building in a protest over voting rights place to say that congresswoman bady has been released from custody after being arrested today. She has been processed and she is out in the metro show weeknights at nine eastern on msnbc streaming only on peacock. Do you know about dr dutch. He was charming intelligent. Abrasions everything to me. Based on unbelievable. True story to can't make sense of the chaz two deaths that we know of state of texas executed people from last physical. 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The author had to admit that he made it up. You know couldn't akin tae not actually a real story but the imagery is accurate if not the individual person and the story. Slavery involved the selling of human beings by black africans to white traders. They're being carried over the seas in the insides of ships in truly inhuman conditions. Worse than any prison with disastrous survival rates to arrive on the shows of america and many other countries brazil as well brazil had more slaves per capita than america ever did. I wonder why brazilians don't have inherent racism in their culture. Like we are told we have here thanks to the purveyors of crt and then they were treated by mostly southern democrats owning their plantations as chattel a fancy word which means property like a horse like a donkey like a meal like a bale of hay. They were prop petit. They were shackled. They were beaten. They would torture. They were killed. With nary a consequence for those who kill the may were lynched linked mostly by democrats or members of the k. k. k. which was a democrat organization. But that the lynchings the beatings. The murders was not as bad as the image of a customs and border patrol agent. Doing his job on the border and by the way. There's a later part of that car. Where maxine waters says. Who pays those cowboys. How stupid is this woman. I mean truly. Does she have a double digit. Iq number one then not cowboys then. Not shepherding cattle across the border and secondly who pays for the customs and border patrol. Let me just think on that for a second. You do. Maxine waters ukraine eaten. Everything in federal government is funded out of our pockets as taxpayers by congress. Did you know that how. How long has maxine waters been in congress and she doesn't know who funds the department of homeland security. Every single dime spent by the federal government has to be approved by the congress. It's called the power of the purse. Not even the senate president doesn't have a budget. he can't buy one paper clip for those quote unquote cowboys. Until the congress approves the budget and who controls the budget who controls congress it is truly stunning but in a time when the democrats have not only the white house and the senate but also the power of the purse that give that the congress has who they who are they blaming for the images on the border an officer the cb p. Who's doing his job. Under the most difficult circumstances where he has been castrated politically by his master's. No of course. It's not his fault. Who's running customs and border patrol. Who do they report to. And who actually provides the political guidance the policy oh a democrat administration and at the top of the which runs. cb p is a man called alejandro. My yorkies and this is a count. That i didn't get to play yesterday that i need to play for you today. Given what maxine said and he's talking to congress just think of these words as you think of the images of the third world shantytown in del rio created by legal immigrants cut to my orcas have been quite clear that we do have a plan to address a migration at the southern border. We're executing it it takes time and we're starting to see the results. I'd be very pleased to meet with you And discuss with you some of the tools that we have employed on taxi drive the results that we saw this past month and we expect to see in the ongoing months. Those tools are not met with unanimous approval. But we are using those enforcement tools to help. secure our border which we are dealing to quote unquote drive. The results. isn't that delightful washington speak drive. What results that nine thousand haitians not even from haiti from chile. Come to the united states illegally. Dump i've seen the photographs. The great todd bensman found their discount. The chilean identity cards with photographs discounted at the border. So they could hide their identity so nobody would know that they're not coming from chile but they actually from haiti these. These are the conditions with three hundred women. Pregnant women under a bridge in del rio. These are part of your plan. Alejandro yorkers he goes on to say the following which is perhaps the biggest lie of all cut three. Is the border more secure under your leadership when you started congressman. The border is secure. We're executing our plan. And i've been very clear and unequivocal in that regard. The question is is the border more secure now under your leadership than it is no less secure than it was previously. That's a lie under the lights adaptable. Lie more than two million human beings that we know of will cross onto. Us territory illegally across the southern border by the end of the calendar year under the trump administration. That was unthinkable absolutely unthinkable. People like tom home. And people like Mount morgan secure the border. When kobe erupted they used the national pandemic health regulations on the title. Forty two to immediately get people out of this country who came here illegally and who were a threat to the health of americans today more than six thousand illegal aliens crossing every single day onto. Us territory that we know of and as they are intercepted the vast majority of them are not sent back to where they came from. They are given court appearance dates. Not actual dates just pieces of paper which say. Please contact us at your earliest convenience. Ninety three percent of whom disappear into america as they are bused across the country in vehicles. You painful alejandro. My yorkers is a scoundrel is a wicked wicked evil man. I'm sebastian gorka. This is america fast. Relief factor pain relief. It works pain relief. It's really just listened. To of story leah from ohio one sunday morning. 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We're voting on amendment after amendment Most of this is going for the nda. So this is one of those wild weeks where vote after vote Most of them are democrat amendments. Because as you know they usually don't take republican amendments and some members of the freedom caucus have said that the nda should not be voted on by republicans until we see certain other actions taken by the white house. What's the state of play is going to go through. What's the latest number. Well there's a lot of us in the freedom caucus that are taking a stand against it we are. We're against drafting our daughters strapping young women. Especially when there's seventeen million young men eighteen to twenty five already signed up the flex services and our current Active duty military forces or at one point three million. And we're not even at war so there's no need to even be talking about drafting women at sample ridiculous. Of course we know women are capable and they're equal but we're just not into drafting our daughters our our wives and and don't think that that's that's necessary. It's another one of those Racing gender you know social issues. It's just pointless with that we can't trust this. How can we trust the military the leaders especially after they abandoned americans and and look what they did they arm the taliban so there's a lot to unpack there with the as a lot to unpack with very very excited that you could join us just for a few minutes and i know you have to go back last question for you We discussed the custom. Ninety nine eleven that we're issuing here in america first on list it's combined there's only a hundred left out of the three hundred custom nineteen eleven but you'll giving away a fifty cal barrett. I wanna post that. Has that already happened. What's the deadline. Oh no that's that's going to continue on for at least another month. People can sign up at green gun dot com. 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Because that's who's the pattern is. And i will tell you it was fun. Doesn't come at a blast. The audience amazing. We had so many guests wanted to be on. I didn't even have time for costs but you had a load of guests. I think that's what i'm saying. I didn't have time for audience. 'cause i think we may have had ten guests and we had huge names. Lack salt bernie kerik. We owe yet rudy rudy. Kimberly guilfoil said we we had we had all-star connect me to that guilfoil lady. Gimme guys will help. People will tell you. We'll talk to eric. And mr geo nassir was such an honor to be. Thank you for having me today. Of course every time here twice just in case was working high energy. The open was superb. Then i caught you. I think in the third hour lots of fun. Thank you about it. And then i did a two minute. Wrap of that is usual message right and then you and sharing with the listeners. The viewers with the audience of standing strong and it was brilliant auditors. Thank you thank you thank you. Thank you okay. So let's talk about frankly. It's been delayed for months. The arizona owed it. A lot of people are losing faith. Eunice got off the phone with somebody so talented baras one. Can we cautiously expect. Well you know sources of source. So i've been as you know. I've been staying abreast of what's going on in arizona really keeping a close eye on it and make and here's the deal. The audit and audit report should be the audit and audit report. The numbers don't lie ride. The process doesn't lie. So what what. I wanna make sure. Is that when we get tomorrow is the exact representation of what was found. Isn't watered down in any way is from what i understand from what i'm hearing. We are going to see numbers which reflect ballots and issues which are magnitude higher than the difference between president trump. joe pike county alone this mockup county alone. who's doing the audit. And do we trust them. Cyber ninjas doing the audit doug doug logan do we trust them yes and they've shown to be good people to show be honorable people that never. I don't think they've done something like this before. Because nobody's ever really done a full forensic audit of nobody's but it's a tough slog has been and also you gotta remember maricopa county's done everything they can to not turn over that of the nation and because the doj's heavy-handedness an audit to be two parts to recount. What you count the ballots and figure out which ones are authentic. Not anna canvas. Now hang stuff that you're stealing my just something thing so this is a pro set to me last week. Said audits are irrelevant because you're just recounting fraudulent results. What you have to have is a canvas now can explain the difference short and audit an audit has two parts a recount part battery county. That georgia early days after the election is just kind of a piece of paper we got and it doesn't matter how good or get the same result. A good recount going on here. Well you count the papers but you look at the quality of the and you're doing a qualitative agree count their issues not just very not just quantitative ranches numbers but quality so if a signature doesn't match or something is is to identify. Okay so that that's a that's a widowed qualitative. Okay and i recount. And then that was done and then canvas is when you because you know with the ballots addresses are you. Don't who they voted for. But you know you know. One o two maricopa way in phoenix. Right and his two ballots. While the as you go and you check the address and you see whether there's a house there where the people living there is if it's a date every single vote you pack. That must be massively expensive. You do spot checks volunteers okay. It's just like statistics whereas you take ten percent twenty percent. Spanish sent that grows right by twenty percent and again this is this an election in arizona and barracuda's two point two point one million votes. The rest is another million votes right so about people month. Three hundred million votes in arizona as a whole so this election. That was that was right now. For by ten thousand votes and your source ten thousand mule sources told you that in this qualititive audit the discrepancy or the problematic ballots more than the quote unquote biden leaders. That what. I heard correct magnitude. Well that's huge. It is huge and again. This is what i'm hearing. There's my sources. I'm not gonna get ahead of the senate if it's true. What can that trigger. When you rogers who knows neurologists leading the she's gonna be on the show today good and you just literally talked earlier right. She's she's a friend you should. You should ask the question. What's not so she will cape good the push the decertify as next and you're gonna have people democrats and some rhino republicans. All you can never going to happen wrong. And here's why under article to the constitution. The power to conduct elections is this is completely steadily reserved to state legislators so the state legislature says that. Hey we've got the receipts and here's people all they're trying to flip the luxury trump. Not necessarily. the answer is not that the answers if this was if this election is inconclusive. If there are x. Thousand ballots are three four five times more than than the separation. Just for maricopa million copa is. The cheating was the least because panel counties in arizona where there's native americans who you know it. Usually the numbers will just outlandish like ninety ten for democrats really ninety land so so they do america reservations there. So you know if if you're going to be able to say that there's definite receipts this. 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Just World Fallacy - FT#80

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Just World Fallacy - FT#80

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Edible dot com today game rated e for everyone gaming system sold separately. Nobody has more respect for women than i do. Nobody hillary clinton wants to polish it belaboring. She wants to abolish our second amendment like big. They didn't deny it. I don't think anybody denied it. Other presidents did not call it write letters and some presidents. do anything in many people have come out and said. I really do have to ask yourself. Where does it stop. Hello and welcome to fallacious trump. The podcast where we used the insane ramblings of fool's goldfinger to explain logical fallacies. I'm your host jim. i'm your is mark. A logical fallacies an error in reasoning. The results invalid arguments and logical policy. We're looking at this. Week is the just world policy also known as victim blaming also victim blaming yes. I own episode. Fifty oriented dr bennett. The author of brilliant website logically fallacious and he said that one of the things that causes logical fallacies basically is cognitive bias. They're often born in cognitive biases. And this is a great example of that because there's a cognitive bias called fundamental attribution era and a advice basically is just where our usual quick ways of thinking let us down or send us right kind of reliably one direction then. The isn't necessarily helpful. It's west stereotypes. Come from a and this one is where you attribute your success in something like a. If you're in a good situation you that to the good choices you down eight and you'll talent and ability and stuff like that but if you see someone else in a situation you're more likely to say that they got lucky or they were in the right place at the right time with that kind of thing and in in a negative way. If you see someone in a bad situation you attribute that to their choices and negative traits about them but if you're in about situation yourself you more likely to kind of make more excuses for yourself and say well. This is just circumstances bad it you know these things happen soon outside of my control. This is incredibly common. Everyone does an compensated by really really really difficult to i mean. We don't even talk about eliminating them. We we ideally as critical thinkers. Try to mitigate them and try to at least be aware of our blassie's notice them site were. That's where that's come from old. Try not to think like that. Yes but this mode of thinking which is a site everyone does as responsible for for this fallacy. Which is basically looking at the world and saying well people get what they deserve. It is just world. If i'm doing. Well it's because. I make good choices if people are doing badly. It's because they make bad choices. The just world name was coined by social psychologists in the sixties called. Melvin lana who decided he theorized at least the a belief in a just world is what allows otherwise compassionate individuals to rationalize injustice. Stay believe they couldn't stop will prevent so if if they see bad stuff roy doing something about it they can just say well you know yes because they that person did you know is a bad person. So they don't feel and yet to actually do something and he did various experiments. He did experiments with people watching someone. Electric shocks and the worst. The person suffered will they were pretending the the observers kind of came up with explanations. They thought that person was a worst person. He did one experiment where he had two men doing puzzle solving puzzles under the end. One of them was randomly awarded large money and and they had observers looking at this happening. They told the observers thought the reward was completely random that it was not tied to how good they wear puzzles but when they asked to evaluate the two men the observers set the one who got the award was smarter more talented and better solving puzzles more productive even though they been specifically told the com- utterly random tied to at all because they were seeing the the good thing that happened to someone as being somehow tied to their talent their ability their their choices liking had the golly. That's how deep deep cynicism liberty difficult to shake but it's not to the same degree in everyone couple of research at harvard university and Ucla conducted surveys to examine the characteristics of people who have strong beliefs in a just world. Who who kind of feel this very strongly. And they found that people who have a strong tendency to believe in a just world also tend to be more religious more authoritarian more conservative more likely to have political leaders and existing social institutions and more likely to have a negative attitude towards underprivileged groups. So trump's support lousy. Well that i've read an article this week by as to campbell. The boy was boaz spindle. Obeys now a reporter maltings politic and he adopted the phrase from somebody else that he'd recalled sado populist and he says we'll. Boris is a site populist. It's about making people feel that day all better off than somebody else because then that plays into this kind of thing which says. They are to blame for their misfortune. I'm in charge of my destiny. So everything's fine with may of because because we all live in the same world and is deliberately being decimated by the few expensive many. But as long as you've got some people who you can say well you'll make terrible choices. That's why you're worse than i am. Then i feel better than new. And that's all you need. yeah so. He's kind of plays into this innate bias. Yeah yeah and there was. There was a poll done in two thousand seventeen by the washington post kaiser family foundation asking basically about poor people. Asking you about why y.'all some people pull essentially. Yeah and forty. Six percents of christians basically said it was because they lazy compared with twenty nine percent of non-christians. Nice christian astute. So yeah even though poverty and giving up you'll you'll worldly goods is supposedly a christian. The do they klay savings yet. If you pull. Syrian full basically should work program and in that same poll when they split it out between democrats and republicans. Twenty six percent of democrats blamed a lack of effort for poverty while sixty three percents of republicans did so. That's what we're working with. Say actually yeah and so. That's what leads to the coins of examples that we have here today. I one from trump comes after the shooting of racia- brooks who was the black man who had a bit too much to drink and fell asleep in the drive through lane in a wendy's he was kind of where cannot by the police and they tried to arrest him. He resisted grabbed One of the police officers tasers and ran away and while he was running away the policeman shot him in the back and kilter charm in the back so his his crime was ultimately drunk driving. And resisting arrest either. Of which is the penalty is death. No and this is what trump had to say about the event that took place yesterday was i thought it was a terrible situation. But you can't resist a police officer and you know if you have a disagreement you have to take it up after the fact it was a very sad very very sad thing and look You really you take a look. It was out of control. The whole situation was out of control. I heard today and just got a report that the police officers lawyers said that he heard a sound like a gun like a gun shot and he saw flash in front of him. So that's an interesting you know. I don't necessarily believe that. But i will tell you that's That's a very interesting thing. And maybe that's so they can have to find out just up to justice right now. It's going to be up to just. I hope he gets a fair shake because police have not been treated fairly in our country. They have not been treated fairly. Police haven't been treated fairly so yeah when when trump says i hope he gets a fachet case talking about the policeman who shot the black man not in debt. Not so he yeah. He doesn't get disingenuous society. Where you've got to dispute. You need to take it off with the there's never any afterwards but yet trump is is essentially saying yet. It's a bad thing that the police shot someone bought two full. he shouldn't have resisted. He shouldn't have way because we shouldn't shouldn't when it comes to being black in in front of policemen just resume because if you do bad things happen and it's a very common thing that comes out when you know. Jacob blake in wisconsin When he was shot in the back people said oh you know he was. He was possibly may be reaching for a knife jones. Floyd obviously people were saying. Well he was. He was a career criminal and drug addict and he. He held component years before none of which factored into the fact that he was being arrested for possibly passing a counterfeit twenty dollar. Bill and thought isn't a death sentence. Case does you know put they bring up these things and say well you know they. These are bad people. The bad thing happens to them Because because people like my choices and it kind of explains it away for them it that they then feel like mary. Some there is the need to do something about it. Yes them got to be outraged and do something about it and engage with the black lives matter movement in a positive way for instance. They can just go. Yeah well you know. Chapin's to ship evil is beyond my control icon. Actually do anything about that. Which is another saying. I'm more i because i'm successful in my choices. Another example of trump using it as an excuse not to do anything is after the the shooting at the tree of life synagogue Wit went off which he was asked about. Whether it was maybe finally time to do something any fucking thing about gun control and he said this. This has little to do with it. Have you take a look. If they had protection inside the results would have been far better. This is a dispute that will always exist. I suspect but if they had some kind of a protection inside the temple Maybe you could have been a very different situation. They didn't so if they had had an armed guard insight the synagogue. Then this wouldn't happen to them. Yeah it wouldn't have been. Yeah it's so they were they were wrong to not have massively armed people in case there was ever a massively person coming out. Yeah so. I think that happens armed guys full. Yeah yeah because they because they made by to them. Essentially didn't have a coke. Yes kamei's third example is actually from The next generation of fallacious trump's this is from eric. He's actually defending something. His father set because This is when roger ailes fox was publicly accused. I guess because he'd been accused for many years but public they accused of sexual harassment and don't trump was asked by usa today what he would want to do about it. You know what if vancouver was working there and had had this experience and he said basically that he would hope that she would get a new career roped a different company which is not necessarily the best way to deal with that kind of thing and people thought. Yeah that's don't that's not the answer and so they asked eric bounce it on Actually ironically charlie rose was asking him about sexual harassment right and he said This is what he thought a banquet. Ivanka a strong powerful woman. She wouldn't allow herself to be objected to it. And by the way you should certainly take it up with human resources. And i think she she definitely would as a strong person at the same time. I don't think she would allow herself to be subjected to that. So the issue is the woman who is the result of the harassment was because she allowed herself to be too. Yeah she allowed us. Thank were subjected to sexual harassment but if anchor being a strong person strong woman wouldn't allow herself to be subjected to it. Fuck all the way off when you get fucker some more. Why how that is really. That's use the usual. Well if you go out dress like that yeah and you expect. Yeah so it's it's another common feeling that people have about domestic abuse is saying well you know if obviously in that situation i would leave. I wouldn't stay in that situation when it's absolutely not that simple. And you'll calling the person who is experiencing that you know we can help listen and essentially stupid for not make any and their own fault for not making the right choice the choice you would make if you were in that situation. It's a is defying. I'm because i'm because your view. The i wouldn't do that in my situation that goes back to the cognitive buyers. The i would. The i always make goodell dances and the right choice. Yeah that's why. I find myself in that situation very different using it that those statistics about the from the christian fraternity. You'd think it's a very humane thing to to put yourself in somebody else's shoes and so yes. I would probably do exactly the same in those circumstances. I don't know the i would do anything different. Yeah but you'll you'll weirdly. Assuming christians are humane. Yeah for those hundred reference from from the propaganda taught school. They are nice. People do unto others do unto. You turn the other cheek and you know. Look out for your fellow man and taking strange's to have who need help. Yeah that kind of stuff. Yeah yeah across the outside of that. Yeah but no. It's it's all league. Where does it come from. You know it's the actual story of humanity's kaneohe naval killing killing the brother and in order to get that's what it is. It's not it's not about. it's not jesus is asked. He came along to fix that. Because we thought chops maiden and yet. That's what we we are an old testament race with kind of people that will just be jealous of other people success and derogatory tools. People who fail. Yeah you'll failing because your stupid. I'm succeeding because i'm brilliant and that that guy's succeeding because he's had all the luck in the world. Yeah so that you will you know. I'm i'm middle is within. The fallacy leans more towards people who are successful even if that other people All successful because they could people Or because they make and feeds into the line is trump defiant. That he is successful means he must be good. He must be talented. Yeah yeah stuff well. That's certainly the message that he said every possible. Tommy his mouth so we got one more example in this section because when you start looking for was if they say it's just every welcome where so i stop this This is from santa. Mo brooks republican sir and this was when trump was trying to get a bone care. I've attend And failing again and again when they finally came out with the republican health care bill which totally failed This one thing that makes it about my understanding is that it will allow insurance companies to require. People who have higher healthcare costs do contribute more to the insurance pool that helps offset all these costs. Thereby reducing the cost to those people who lead good lives. They're healthy you know. They've done the things to keep their bodies healthy and right now those the people who've done things the right way that are seeing their costs skyrocketing again fuck off so you got the people who are healthy. People who have make choices. They've lead good lives. They've done everything right. Meaning all the people who are unhealthy and half we'll have pre existing conditions fucking cancer or whatever your position. They didn't make your choice right. Yeah and not. That essentially was the depending of health. Bill was you know you you get healthcare. Your good person. You'll not good enough though. Was the argument when the when the post war government setup and jess in the uk that there was those arguments that it was with the whole of the tory party's view of the welfare state of which the united states was part is. Whoa people will just take advantage there through their own fault. They're ill because they can't afford to get health care because they've made the wrong choices. So the the socialist government was all about well. It ought to be free for everybody. Not just those people should be free at the point of access for everyone. Not just those people could hit the to be able to afford it. But people can't and we as a society in the twentieth century in a post war society ought to be able to support those people who are less advantaged than us and yeah they had to fight it through government near if you read. some of. The statements made at the time. They very similar to mo brooks stuff about what you mean. All of us will and wealthy people are to have to pay for the poor and unfortunate and the have made the wrong choices. There is that correlation between only people who are stupid and lazy and poor get ill and and is therefore pick for being stupid and porn making wrong choices behind there is therefore now it's just ghostly and to to be absolutely as fair as i can beat a mo brooks did. He did follow this up by saying really after that that some people who have preexisting conditions You know it's it's not through any fault of their own that they're in that situation all right. Oh nice of you to acknowledge it. But he but that wasn't yeah in any way addressed in the bill that they were trying to push that they will. They badly acknowledged that and they were absolutely trying to and went through several calls to try and strip the preexisting conditions requirement of the insurance companies so in a way the fights. I acknowledged it as well. 'cause 'cause you can join in a way where it way except if they just don't get the people who have preexisting conditions by exist and don't deserve to die then then they sense. Not now is the time. I think marks british politics order speaking of the uk government and their attitude towards people and health is around for. And it's nothing that the government can do about it. Since such javad has become the new health secretary who is well last month was when he had he's had two jabs but he caught cove on the twenty four to any recovered on the twenty fourth of july was tweeting. He's the good news. If we discovery relative term good news and hey was extolling the virtues of the fact seen get out of jail free called thing come along to save the government the bottom of the tweet he put please if you haven't yet get your jab as we learn to live with rosa than cower from this virus so you everybody just away so are you saying that the more than one hundred thousand people colty undyed did so because they were too cowardly not brave enough in the face of corona virus. And it's not the government's fault it's their lack of courage as angeles. Sorry is basically saying yeah you can you know there's As he's learned to live with it not everyone got to do that. It's like when people say you know people have been having having babies naturally for a hundreds of thousands of years. Yeah an enormous numbers of them would dying when they tried to do that. That's a good law in the road. Yes yeah yeah. Yeah so learning to live with it or the global south who survive and not cowering in the face in our brave go get it and that's there there's an even stronger element of the just will victim blaming fallacy behind the government's overall change of stance on kovic since javed's appointment concedes a proper bullish. You get back to work. Not the bang ankle. Didn't live by before but since javard. This is absolutely declaration of how the government is no longer going to manage the control of the outbreak. Not that they ever did before really. And in the u they usual policy of shifting responsibility and blame away from themselves. They invoke this fallacy to imply if you get coverage. It's your fault for not doing the right thing. And yeah so the even the people get the jabs get kovic. So where does that land him. You know it's all about well. Actually it doesn't prevent coverage like we said he would just means you die from it. An big toast. We should say it absolutely still does prevent just one hundred percent yes late. Nineteen ninety-five percent prevention as well as reducing dramatically. Yes versi illness. Unfortunately in such and the labor mp tweets it in response one hundred and twenty thousand. People who died didn't cower. They fought for their lives. Frontline workers didn't cower. They kept calm and carried on. Millions in lockdown. Didn't cut cow. They followed your roles and made sacrifices for others so glad you're recovered but please never treat illness as a weakness on his part of the the think the stance the bully stance with sanjay as part of the continuing cultural that. Boris employs to ferment polarization. So we've now got the jabbed versus the jap notes and there's no sense we're talking about the social collective support post war government. There's none of that with. Let's let's all get it to help the thunderball. Let's protect those who can't or won't get jab although that kinda was the first reason. The reason for the first lockdowns shield the elderly. Let's save lives protect the nhs that was a very socialist kind of sentiment cynically awful. They already bought and the shooting early thing. Turbo ally they using the. If you don't get jabbed. I might get it from you. I'm looking out for me. Approach so that war between the kind of the if you're not getting the jab then you're you'll making a bad choice. You're a bad person and what that's doing is threatening me. So that's the culture war that keeps getting promoted as you know they'd never come out and say that but it's just behind and to a certain extent the the. It's it's promoted as the right thing to do. If you don't get it you'll die and that's your problem. There are people that do the right thing at everyone else. Does that mean. We're doing the wrong thing. There was this notion in victorian times of the deserving poor so there's like the ferris clauses appropriate. Well they were the poor and then there was the deserving poor who probably trying to get al policy was the people that don't they just lazy and they're undeserving of our charity and as though different really when thatcher extolled victorian values. That's precisely what she was talking about their. Aw people who are deserving of our charity and they're which four whom the welfare state is available and there are people who deserve it and we should withdraw from every so yeah exert to british citizens returning from raid countries as we traffic system in the uk. If you come back from red country annual british says in your allowed back in the country but you have to quarantine for ten days in a hotel at your own expense. So here's a clip of interviews with people in quarantine and from channel five news and on good morning britain on tv. There was an interview with dominic robb. Who was questioned about what okay how you enforcing this and just listen out for his reply vis-a-vis that but also he'd stick satan to people who do the right thing they're all paying at least one thousand seven hundred and fifty pounds to stay here. That's the minimum for one adult not including children for that. They expected a basic level of care and hygiene. They claim wasn't matt. There were concerns about hygiene outside and inside rooms. They actually been there for. At least three days they're funded that. Actually the people in hotels out wearing masks. They're allowed to go out to smoke. Cigarettes which makes a nonsense of the isolation is over to have. The idea is actually putting into place something to see it through. Isn't it but as with enforcement across the board not just the relationships with the wider social distancing and wide social an measures restrictions in place is difficult to fulsome. We do rely on people. Do not think but there is very clearly that penalties and the enforcement and the accountability as we already showing with with the fines that have levied which have been high level finds the phrase that they use this quarantine. It's not holiday so that the several things going on in there so there's dominic robb evading spectacularly the question about so you're making people go into hotel at their own expense. Throw that price if you're in hotel for ten days and it costs you a hundred seventy pounds of night for a hotel you expect some level of service and the question quote riley to hear ms. So who's who's enforcing that they are provided with a humane service and they're protected from being outside or the staff dot wary miles all of that stuff who's enforcing that and he he just spectacularly goes off and says well it's very difficult to enforce social distancing we're relying on people doing the right thing and then ends up with one of the customers saying they said to us. This is quarantine holiday. So this whole implication behind is that you've come into this country from red listed country. It's your fault so you've just gotta suffer the consequences. It's it's proper victim blaming because they're saying go you know of course he's on hygiene. Of course we're not going to make sure that the isolation rules are in force because it's this holiday you why would we both into ended up. It's both effective. Yeah and no awful. Yeah yeah yeah yeah and actually did not bothering to do either because somewhere along the line. Someone's making money out of it and it's been shifted out to private hands so the government doesn't have to do anything about it and they would just say very. I think it slipped out we relying on people to do the right thing and actually what is the right thing. We've we're doing the quarantining and yet nobody's stopping staff not wearing mouse. Going people going outside if you'll know if you know influencing in some way or having a system that it really isn't any different from self-isolation in your visit if the if they just trusting the people just stay in the hotel and not not makes with other people go out perfect then it's not. Yeah it's not any different from saying okay. You can come in the country the house now and don't go out for ten days. You just trusting the separately citizens so they live here. Yeah yeah i. In a way you will not guarantee you're not in a building full of people have come countries that have got virulent viruses in your own home. That's yeah so it's well you'll have subsequently law firm the of maintaining that suing the government. Basically saying that mandatory hotel containers is a fundamental breach of human rights is led to the false imprisonment of people who are fully vaccinated and tested negative because the only difference between a red country amber country in terms of what you have to do on. Your return is up to and we'll talk about that later until recently you had to quarantine yet to self isolate and the difference between quantities. Relation is a hotel bill. Lamey on the people have been away somewhere. That we've decided is now dangerous and you want to come back and example number three because always looking. You're right there's so much stuff turns up when you type in government it's your fault and loves left sale. Is the home secretary. She's putting a new legislation which is going to make being a traveler or romany or gypsy. even more illegal and matthew. Paris was roy to who's a xm and times newspaper columnists was writing report on this and in the comments section of it. So it's in the times and bury mind these regions of the times. And you kind of expect. Maybe that's my device you kind of expect level of decorum and politeness etiquette and possibly even intelligence. One of the commons was that their children are deprived of education. Is the fault of their lifestyle children. Moving all the time cannot have a settled education that they die young is also their own fault to they just blatantly done and it's cost nothing to do with the government policy continually moving on travelers forcing after the raiders are just it plays into their cognitive bias. It's therefore they die young. Is there fort that browse questioning. Well why is it that they don't young of. Why is it that they can't be allowed to have a settled. Education is it's a polling to read you go through the communist section. Somebody's commenting in the comments section. On how appalling the comments are and that they the the the kind of house rules of some of the comments have been deleted because you can say with discounts be deleted for breach of the house rules. And you think these ones done breach suhel roles that you could just say the reason they die. Young is their fault. Logic comes and goes they told to changing minds from stink the job by seeing the wildcats patsy ramsey and the wildcats of course the pet shop boys. We've done to deserve this. In the fantasy in the wild we like to look at the fallacy of the week from a non-political perspective. And this week. I example as she comes from bill o'reilly friend of the show. Yeah this is from His radio show in august of two thousand six. We clip Scour the internet but it doesn't seem to exist anymore But he was discussing an eighteen year old who was murdered well raped and murdered unfortunately and He said jennifer moore eighteen on her way to college. She was five foot two hundred and five pounds wearing a mini scott hall. Talk with a bad midriff. Now again they go so every predator in the world is going to pay that up at two in the morning so i mean this is classic victim blaming so not predators not not with predators nowadays. Yeah she was just the uses. The word predator is caught telugu because surely somebody who protects somebody else aged When it's essentially saying except that there are predators out there and make bad choices. Yeah like this person. Data them on. Yeah yeah and sadly this is. This is so typical. It's almost a cliche basically the Yeah if someone is is attacked is what what were you wearing. Fifteen years on and sarah everardo died at the hands of off-duty policeman who writes in kilda. Same thing same thing happened. The first day everyone was on this second day will what was she wearing and she was walking home in our own. What could you expect really. Yeah so our second example comes from the movie trading places fantastic but having recently still little bit problematic and eddie murphy comedy. It's not yeah. Yeah but still funny. This is where the brothers randolph. And mortimer i come up with that that plan to swap successful. Dan ackroyd homeless. Eddie murphy To see what happens. Very steady young man. We're lucky to have a memoir firm for us all how wash exeter harvard. He's the product good environment scuttled. Nothing to do with environment with his genius put winthrop anywhere. And he's gonna come out on. Top breeding randolph. Same as and racehorses. It's in the blood. Say renzo is in favor of the nut side of the debate whereas mortimer is very much nature side. He he thinks that it's basically good. People have got where they are successful. People have got where they are because of who they are because of their genes because of all of that stuff whereas randolph. Says you put you person in the right situation. And they will they will thrive and ultimately is proven writes in that he wins. The one dollar bet that they make on these people's lives spoiler alert for for like forty year old film. And yeah basically this whole films kind of this fantasy is it is investigating. Yeah yeah the. Two sides of thank debate about is is it. Is it about lock or in inherent traits that people have. Yeah well. it's an update of my fair lady. Isn't it. it's the same thing where the guy to women. And i come to the office of that as well. 'cause they 'cause they ruined dan which life and he turns to crime so yeah. It's kind of my fair lady plus the reverse of it plus boys from brazil so Finally example is from a woman called amanda patel. She's an australian journalist which eighty mile. And i think she was press secretary for. I think it was william hague. The torian wow was the leader and kind of teenage statue fans. Needless to say she's an awful awful person society and this is this is her views on obesity which she has dined for one phrase again and again. The male associates writing articles about are really wanted for breakfast this morning. It was one of those tasks they can stop. Yeah lots of yes slabs of the white bread and brown sauce and a couple of friday's that was my dream. So what if i had for breakfast. I had a banana and some yogurt. And why did i do that. Because i'm a choice. Auto wanna be fat so i was absolutely spectacular to here but the governments can now to give gastric surgery. Basically giving people a gastric band to all of the obese people in this country your freshman costs between five and ten thousand pounds the stats for what they were all. We now have almost a third entire bridge. Population is our base. So you do the mass what that is going to cost us because those people chose to head a bacon sandwich in the morning and not have an say fan people fat. 'cause they 'cause they sandwiches instead of bananas and it's unfold pow from the nhs to what she's saying is it's all very well to one a bacon sandwich double from oregon braids and stuff but you. You need to choose not to like i did. Which is the right choice. And then you won't be fat and then you won't be a drain on the ideas and the only reason that people fat is 'cause they choose to eat bacon. Yeah that's fundamentally ed. Which is the wrong choice. As the bad thing to eating bacon is never the reacting to do now. It is in every situation shots. One of your options is eating. Bacon is by default the also through that. Yeah as i said. At the beginning we will. We will have this bias of attributing our own success to our ability in choices and other people's failures to their choices but it seems like some people take it to extremes and it's whether you're fat old poll all assaulted or sexually harassed or shot. It's your own fault. So we're we're gonna play fake news folks. I love the game. It's a great game. I understand the game as well as anybody as well as anybody yes. It's time to fake news. The game where. I read out three quotes to which real mona made up and mark has to figure out which one is fake news. You say you'd like people to believe that my polling scores all my fault. But what what you've fails realize is i'm fighting the law of averages and that's the real culprit the situation you find yourself in. Let's say it's just yeah just just spout clock to pump. Now do wrong choices. Those games live out choosier specifically about choosing the or not choosing their own one. Yeah so yeah. I'll team this time as we've done this before she did this back in episode fifty four. I think we did this. It is Statements that trump has put out through his website 'cause he used to so he gets he pays louis harrington to do almost nothing but copy and paste his statements into her twitter account. Food roy what we go back to is because this week he released a statement which any entirely said in all caps bullies. Never fight right. Now i've got no idea. What the fuck he's talking about. Neither does anyone else. Maybe he's talking now cuomo but it's not entirely clear or if he is what that means but anyway thought drew a bit more attention back to his His statements that he puts out so here all three statements that he made recently through four. Dr number one. This resolved tom brady visited the white house and had a bad joke with with joe biden thome shady needs to do his research and realize how rigged and rigged it was the last election was maybe he was too busy. Deflating balls weak grip to follow what is happening all around great country including maricopa county georgia in pennsylvania. When i'm back at the white house will see who he jokes with. The answer is me your favorite president if i even invite him so much voter fraud. It's a balancing of madness. That one statement. I turned down to book deals from the most unlikely of publishers in this. I do not want to do such deal right now on writing like crazy anyway however when the time comes you'll see bookable books. Actually i've been working on a much more important project right now. So yeah you writing like crazy now because right like crazy anyway rushing like roseanne year we know as a great description of how he writes. Yeah it's actually doing the books and actually working something more important. So despite the fact that he's turned down to book deals. The most unlikely publishes who. Who's the doctor zeus. Who would that be the people that put the you know. The straight to the ballgame been people. Don't want to do that. Because i'm writing and i'm doing this really important thing and actually something else. I'm doing which means a cart right so don't ask me. He didn't even say that. Live and just put it out. This is going down and got somebody to post it statement number three and nobody had ever heard of some of these people that worked for me in dc. All of a sudden the fake news starts calling them some of them by no means all feel emboldened brave and for the first time in their lives they feel like something special not the losers that they are and they talk talk talk. Many say. I'm the greatest star maker of all time but some of the stars like produced producer actually made of garbage dump. No notice nobody said that many reasons. I'm me three stars who've made many many. Yeah one one more than a few. Yeah some of this is actually might have gone beach then. Not stars of wall. E's nobody has some by all of a sudden fake news talk k. My turned down to book deals. See the thing is we. Don't get the the joyful thing of hearing him. same that's the no but some of them. Yeah yeah yes. On some shady a whole Of really what. The book deal on tappan. And i really liked the first one but then that could be just being looted of false false. Its allure being made a full sense of trump's. Okay i'm gonna. I'm gonna make the wrong and bad choice. I'm going to say that. Despite all i find commits styles made the garbage. Something about that. First sentence sounds a bit jim sarkhej. So i've gotta have number three is the one you made up in the case of the other two which you convincingly the book deals okay. Say a statement. Over two convinces a strong word. Yes real that is a statement that he off. He's he's he's writing like crazy writing like crazy. How the most unlikely of publishes think what we need is somebody that publishes exam by persona somebody that she's rare rectal examination testing kit instructions or something like that. I would like to by. The title of the book should be writing like crazy a title. You'll have one was real and one is news all good book. No i can't take credit for that. Actually this was a a This was posted on twitter by this harrington someone else and but it went round as as if it was a real statement everyone bryce it believed it and was passing it around getting all. Can you believe he said now. China thank ola. It's posed lower all over again. Is you know it. S really hard. As i've discovered to write stuff. There is crazy than the stuff he would normally say. Yeah so yeah you can write bullshit and it's like yeah. I can totally believe that trump said that. It's like we had that day. Someone says His he put his trousers on bites from a podium and everyone was like i can totally believe that. Yeah thoughts sounds like came. All those ones the baht wrote remember. We had the stuff. And then you just think oh. Yeah perfectly convincing. Because it's just that but this one the results convinced by that was it. Does that kind of the slowly bouncing bowl losing energies through you know. And he and all that stuff and it just goes from k. this ever trailing off thought and with a and he gets in. Yeah it's about me. Who zizi rejects with me. If i even invite him just and to top it off again in a convincing way. They put the answers. Your favorite president and president is in quotes. Yes does it's using that that kind of accidental thing. Yeah so which means that number three was real He did say to stall produced a mate of garbage. No a yeah 'cause this was when he They would basically new books coming out. I don't know why that they will came out in a bit of a flurry. Um from people who'd worked at the white house and yeah yeah. This was basically him saying well. They were desperate to all of these people who were saying bad things about me. Yeah they're losing because they're losing his famous because even though made some gop just such a shit thing to say. And it's just as you know it's not presidential. 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Order ahead for delivery your pickup at stop and shop dot com yes. It's time for the part of the show. This week at least is called arizona. It's still not logical fallacy. Because they're still going on kinda still. Yeah but yeah. They're not going anywhere. It's just a pooling. I mean we needed to go anywhere. But the efforts continue so the latest news is that they the the republican senate leaders In arizona requested the russa's as we heard when trump was saying where the and the maricopa county board of supervisors who are involved in actually running. The elation wrote the best letter. Bite them to explain why they they wouldn't guessing the routers and they wouldn't be getting any further help from that so i'm going to read the letter. Almost the entirety. Yeah oh yeah senators. It is now august the twenty twenty one. The election of november twenty twenty is over. If you haven't figured out that the election america he was free fair and accurate yet. I'm not sure you ever will the reason you haven't finished your quotes. Audits is because you hired people who have no experience and little understanding of how professional elections or run the board has real world to do and little trying to entertain this adventure in never neverland. Please finish whatever it is. You're doing and release. Whatever it is. You're going to release. Pretty there was. No fraud wasn't an injection of ballots from asia nor was there a satellite beamed votes into our election equipment. It's time for all elected officials to tell the truth and stopping courage and conspiracies. Release your report and be prepared to defend any accusations of misdeeds in court. It's time to move on. And yeah that is exactly what needs to be said to these people grow up for these things didn't happen just wasting everyone's time get out the thing that you say you're threatening on a love that and what is kind of a counter demand which says you know. Just be prepared to defend any accusation. So you'll you'll going to come out with this report and then we'll just go. We'll you've made all this shit up and you'll trying to policy off and you can't get away with doing that without some kind of comeback because it's your bringing the reputation of free and fair elections into disrepute purely on a political basis. Yeah yeah yeah. So example of one of the coins of claims that they are likely to make because they've already made it is from doug. Logan is there. Were seventy four thousand phantom mail in ballots counted even though there was no record of them being sent out by which they mean in fact he was seventy four thousand two hundred forty one people. This voting by early ballot. Who aren't on. What's called the ev thirty two reports. Which is the list of postal ballots. That was in towns So that fast launch without an as these people without knowing anything about how elections iran. Yes that may just do on. I may sound reason suspicious. Because you guys roth just asking an election official. What's the reason for that. Yeah yeah exactly. But if but if those ballots were sent out to people in the post but those people still voted early by using those pilots. How did they get them. You know what's going on. This is almost seventy four thousand ballots. So you know a paper the arizona mira and Abc fifteen local lady station. You know just awesome. Question looked into it for five minutes. It turns out that didn't didn't do the first glance it turns out the nine thousand nine point. Four percent of those people seventy three thousand eight hundred nineteen voted in person early voting centres. So there were early ballots but they didn't need a ballot to be posted out to them. 'cause that's how the election works in arizona. Go their vote before election day still counts counted it so not all postal votes are early and all early vote supposed to. Yeah absolutely. that's it you can go to the voting place pre election day and vote in person. You don't to have applied for a a an early ballot. You really only need to if you are posting your balance because you need to have something in your house basically that you can write. Your photon anna trivial trivial. Easy thing to find out if you have a concept of how. The election is run but as john zarrella you would ask. You would think so. Yeah but as he says they they have they. They hired people who have no experience in little understanding of how professional elections are run. I mean the entire thing basically has been shown from beginning to end from from trying to kind of maintain the building. They've ruined all of the voting machines. They can't be used anymore because they've they've essentially gone in today find met in a way that means. Yeah now ironically. They can't be sure that they are secure for the next election. Essentially yeah because they've been messed with by people who don't know what they're doing. Yeah and i mean we we will. Obviously we await to see what their outcome is. What the and ends up in in the courts whether it. Yeah i mean. It seems answering misdeeds seems inevitable this stage as it has for awhile. Now that it's going to be very similar to the cracking lawsuit thing where they all going to make their various claims. Just as mike lindell has been doing he in his in his cyber symposium over the last few days the they make a claim and then someone who knows what talking about says. Well that's bullshit and has why and that claim yeah and and the thing about the crack and stuff was even more scared because we've become a matter thing because he's no longer about well. It's the whole election thing was fine. The accusations that you'll making are untrue. So what they're now doing is saying the the lawyers are saying well these untrue accusations we ought to be allowed to submit them because there's so many of them. Yeah so some of those things are happening. And so it's just gonna go on and on and on because the years show in this when this comes out is is. They will list kind of twenty different infractions where they found some anomaly or claim that they find some anomaly an even though each one will be explained away by people who know what they're talking about they will say look. We found so many problems. I'm i am confident. That will be one of their arguments is so there's got to be a problem because we found so many problems. Yes but all of those have been counted sought to out and hopefully that ever the the justice on cracking case. Who just say as a lawyer did you. Don't think the ought to be doing little bits of due-diligence little bit of soul. No no because this is what they said. They said that they thought it might be something. That was a bit unusual. You're okay so the fact that they were speculating. Is that what you're saying you. Yeah well there's all these facts now. It's a fact that he was making stuff up. And to kind of yeah. You're right it will happen. There will be the next level down where they will say we've got this is short is true by sheer weight of numbers. And if you using that argument. The election was true by sheer numbers was the the definition of the bloody election. But i love the way that letter with is now august. Twenty the election of november twenty twenty. Lancome ago yeah. It's getting further away. you know. Just hurry on publish publish your bloody thing. And let's see what you guys really got yet rather than continually ask for more stuff you know. Can you give us the air. The dead space between the server roman outside world a isolated service from the internet. Can you give us that air. Because we saw that there's not enough oxygen molecules or something doug logan the head of cyber ninjas has finally also come clean about who's funding part at least because there was always one hundred fifty thousand dollars from the republican senate but it's actually cost over five million dollars and what that has been contributed by people. I don't know how is contributed by people by political groups run by prominence trump supporters including michael. Flynn sydney powell. Patrick byrne and correspondence from one america news network so i mean it's not surprising tool it's not like they all wasn't expecting that it's exactly who ending it but know nobody's saying to doug logan okay. Are you not just an artist charlatan. Well the arizona mirror is yes. They said they decided that the especially with this absentee voting statistic came and they said the american clues that logan could have any made session egregiously false claim through the profound incompetence or ranked. Dishonesty they said. Logan who was in charge of a team tasked with determining whether they were problems with the twenty twenty general actually america county either. Didn't take the basic step of checking the names against the master list of voters or knowingly told the world something that was untrue. That's very very polite of them. Absolutely kata fares posssibility that he's just rather than worrying about do i earn a billion trillion dollars a year. So we'll be keeping tabs on on what comes out with maricopa county but i don't expect it something that is going to travel much and finally some things we really don't have time to talk about. Say what you like about antitax. But you've got to my their principles just not prepared to put untested remedies containing. God knows more into their bodies. No matter what they're eating horse de worming paste fuck me. Yes in the desperate attempts to prove they know more than science by killing themselves. Anti vaccines have seized on a small study from egypt published on a pre-printed website before it was reviewed which said the anti parasitic drug ivermectin had shown promise in treating covert the fact that paper was subsequently pulled due to ethical concerns including plagiarism and calculation of data points which were quote mathematically impossible increased their interest if anything and so spurred on no doubt by republican politicians such as senator ron johnson promoting the drug started to ask their doctors for a prescription doctor. Stenner emmanuel the demons sperm lady. We talked about back in episode fifty. Five gladly prescriptions. But all the non crazy doctors were a bit reluctant. So the truth phobic wacko. Loons wins instead to farm supply stores which saliva makes in for de worming horses and sheep those remedies that dosed for horses that way over a ton even heavier than most trump supporters is probably. Why there's been one. Texas poison control center welcomed described as a noticeable increasing calls regarding ivermectin. Misuse of repeated defensive. Her upbringing elisa doolittle says on several occasions. Through an regan's in my lady magoo go. I'm endearing it's charming is indicative of her background and how she will. Not stand for being insulted by higgins in these social experiment to pass her off as i born idea the upcoming race meeting ascott. Not really something that one would hope would stand up saying call law right wrong representing himself as a full for a client. Second appearance in the show scheduled to mo brooks. I did read it. Originally as mel brooks and are not far off asked to be dismissed from. Eric swells lawsuit alleging a conspiracy to incite the january six riot. The heart of most argument is that when he spoke at trump's rally on january six he was acting within the scope of his employment and therefore has immunity from swallows was lawsuit. Working for trump will mean. you're innocent. What anyway okay. They mo- where's your proof or your shreds reverence. Well it is defense. He did present several facts. And the court document lists these somewhat tongue in cheek under the heading verified brooks facts among them number one. He's sixty seven number. Two is never smoked tobacco number six. He's never had a motor vehicle wreck in which anyone claimed he was at fort. Then it gets slightly order. Seven includes he has always been faithful to his wife together. They've raised four children. All of whom married none of whom have been false. All of whom are laura abiding. None of whom have been arrested for anything. All of whom i college degrees and jobs and between them blessed him with ten grandchildren with two twins twins mine two of them and another granddaughter. On the way where with amount of innocence bus association case dismissed. What more do you need. May i ended a chorus of the rain. In spain folds mandy on the plane and someone dragging him to the cells shouting move your blooming ours. Remember just a couple of minutes here. When he thought you'd heard the stupidest anti-vice that can get well. The new times talk to employees of an eyewear company in the big apple to find out their opinions on the vaccine and found the range. Vote is including one employee. Who said she was consent because she thought a vaccine had caused the characters in the film. I am legend to turn into on these. This is obsessively not just the ravings of loan disturbed will smith. Fan is in fact to claim widely shared through social media with many noting that in the movie. It took a couple of years for the vaccine to have this devastating effect so just because the millions of people have been vaccinated trying to your brains yet. It doesn't mean they won't aside from the simple finds. It was not actually a vaccine but genetically modified virus that led to the zombie. 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112: The Once & Future Soccer Legacy of Ft. Lauderdales Lockhart Stadium  With Jeff Rusnak

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112: The Once & Future Soccer Legacy of Ft. Lauderdales Lockhart Stadium With Jeff Rusnak

"Lockhart stadium was once home to the strikers into the fusion. But now inner Miami or hey moss. David Beckham says this dilapidated overgrown park will now be the first home of inner Miami CF, David Beckham in Jorges Maas. The owners of inter Miami CF emerged from the we debt Lockhart stadium with a big announcement for their team. We're here to announce today that you know, we will play our first two seasons of MLS here at the new stadium located here in Lockhart in the city of for Lauderdale. It may look like a post apocalyptic scene from a movie with hints of pass soccer team still hanging around. But their hope is to transform all of this into a home, not just for them a less team. But a subdivision USSL squad as well. As an academy for one hundred sixty two two hundred young prospects. It's all about the academy and the future of the kids in this. Great city today is groundbreaking day for us because we hope to announce an hope to have the support to bring. Our kademi, the heart and soul of our organization to south Florida speaking with or hey Ma after the press conference he says plans in Miami. And the Mel recite are going ahead as planned with a target date of two thousand twenty two in mine. But until then soccer goes back to itself, Florida routes with more than just to make over, but more importantly also activating this site with an eighteen thousand seat brand new stadium. It will not be refurbishing the site to location that we've been dreaming about location. We feel the gives the kids the community a real opportunity to live their dreams. Renovations won't go forward until the city of four lardo officials vote on their plans next Tuesday, but they need somewhere to play. And they say it helps make inter Miami south Florida team, not just Miami. My need a little bit Matric. But you know, I think the like Hoy said, you know, we will be in Miami an app commitment easily. So to south Florida cleanup. Demolition will take some time. They're going to have to remove all this stuff. It's gonna take about sixty to seventy five days, they hope to break ground in July. That means this place would be opened sometime February in twenty twenty at Lockhart stadium like Cuneo CBS four news. Welcome to good seats. Still available a curious little blood cast devoted to exploring. What used to be in professional sports? Here's your host, Tim Hanlin. Well, you know, as the old Chinese proverb says may you live in interesting times. Hi, my name is Tim Hanlin. And this is good seats still available. It's the curious little podcast that is devoted to what used to be in professional sports are little journey each every week into the exploration exploration. He says of such teams and leagues no longer with us to funk, otherwise located whatever our little sort of excursion into the annals of time. You know, it's an effort on our part to to try to keep a bunch of these shows sort of in not only historical perspective, but also trying to keep them timely with today's events. Right. We we just live in the past. And we try to you know, divine some lessons for the future. And or maybe even the president God forbid and this week's episode. I think is a really good example of how we strive to do that. And and how literally some of the stories and adventures that we we traverse in our in our. Dialing back on the way back machine have lasting impact and door lessons for a things going forward. And this week. Our guest is Jeff Rusnak. He is the longtime columnist of soccer and other sports for the sun sentinel down in Fort Lauderdale slash south, Florida. And we're going to be talking today as the that news clip from cut just a couple of weeks ago. Indicates is a multifaceted story that circles around the sport of soccer particular, an interesting little, you know, somewhat ramshackle of a stadium arguably punching above its weight for many years over pro soccer's history. Certainly dating back to the nineteen seventies. That's a little stadium called Lockhart stadium in Fort Lauderdale Florida area that is now interestingly having been sort of the the locus of soccer heat if you will during the nineteen seventies starting nineteen seventy seven with the old North American Soccer leagues Fort Lauderdale strikers. Very interesting story that kind of begins little journey with Jeff in just a couple of moments that sort of wended its way through knowledge of the history of the North American Soccer league, but its demise. Some rumblings of leagues that tried to pick up the slack. The another incarnation of the American Soccer League. And and a few others the reborn North American Soccer league, and the Miami fusion actually of Major League Soccer. Another key part of the story all of these teams called Lockhart stadium a charitably. Guess you could call it a high school football stadium before the Robby family, then owners of the Miami Dolphins and this new fledgling relocated Fort Lauderdale striker franchise having been in nineteen seventy six the Miami Toro's playing in the Orange Bowl in found this largely high school football stadium in in the the wilds of Fort Lauderdale and literally transformed it sixteen thousand. In some seats, depending on the year on the date, you're asking into as little soccer cauldron hotbed if you will. That was just an amazing place to take in top tier professional soccer in this country. Why is it important now? Well, as if you've been following the probably the news Major League Soccer is back after its initial folly were four Ray with the Miami fusion back of the day. Again, a big part of our stories. We'll get to Jeff and a few few seconds as the the new Miami excursion, shall we say into Major League Soccer begins its journey. It's called club. Inter a CF. I think it's club Internationale the football, and as many people know or Miami aficionados of the sport. No that is the David Beckham Jorges moss owned entity that is doing its darndest to get a stadium built in the city of Miami proper. But as history shows, and we'll get to in our conversation with Jeff Rusnak and a few minutes. The storylines seem to be vaguely similar to some of the issues that both the Fort Lauderdale strikers in North American saga, and especially the Miami fusion, the Miami fusion playing in Fort Lauderdale, those names actually matter here, we are once again in the debate over where to locate a team a soccer team either in the city of Miami. And here comes Fort Lauderdale all over again to kind of save the day as as club inter as starts to recognize that they gotta start playing next season. And they don't have a stadium in Miami yet. So we get an all of that very interesting story of the past the present. And the whatever future that awaits club inter of Major League Soccer, David Beckham and friends learning maybe from or maybe not the lessons of Lockhart stadium. The miami. Fusion MLS is first attempt at soccer in the Miami, south Florida region, and perhaps. Most most pointedly the original Fort Lauderdale strikers of the old original North American Soccer league dating back to the late nineteen seventies. All of that is the focus of our very interesting and multi-layered conversation with Jeff Rusnak in just a couple of seconds. I just want to promote one of our great sponsors before we get to this conversation. 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If you do not use that promo code good seats because you will then not get and enjoy fifteen percent off all of your purchases, and again, that's sports history. Collectibles dot com. Visit their early is they're often. And we thank dean tremendously verse continued sponsorship of this show. And of course, we thank you tremendously. For listening to our fun chat with our new friend. Jeff, Rusnak and conversation around soccer and south Florida. Both the past the present. And let's see what the future is. Here's our chat that we had just a couple of days ago, actually and hope you enjoyed it. It's interesting that we're recording this episode around the time when the new were supposedly still new Major League Soccer franchise in Miami is still gelling shall we say? So I appreciate your taking time to kind of get us into some of the I guess the back story of what will might be the sort of future of soccer in south Florida. But before we get there. Why don't you kind of tell our audience a bit of who you are? And what makes you so qualified as that will become evident to kinda pine on this this topic because you've been sort of on the soccer scene in south Florida for a long time. No. Yeah. Well, I grew up playing like any American kid. I'm I'm I'm as old as Lockhart stadium, which is gonna face demolition this week. So the timing of our conversation, I think is is actually quite good for for the things that you just outlined. But I I was just a sports kid growing up. And just we got the strikers came in nineteen seventy seven or only real professional sports team that we've that we've had in Broward County until the Florida Panthers came in a few years ago. Just went to a game. I game was Pele with the cosmos coming in it was, you know, as big as social and cultural event is would probably had in the county that that year and thinking to say, I became you know, swimmed or turned on in one night. But it was it was just a fascinating environment to be in. And didn't know anything about the game. And still by the time the team left in nineteen eighty three strikers left and in eighty three that it gained some knowledge a sense of it. But it was still the the fourth or fifth sport even down here where the Miami Dolphins and then university of Miami football, and then, you know, just baseball and hockey and basketball the way that hockey pied such a space in in American life and sporting life, and I guess I pr-. Probably got. Well, I got a job at the sun sentinel entry level job at the sun sentinel in nineteen eighty five, and we I would just take calls in from from high school coaches basketball. Swimming, tennis, whatever the results were soccer, and it would get to play off time, and they would ask okay. We need somebody to go out and cover cover game. So I got sent out did my first byline was was a soccer game, my alma mater, south plantation, high school covered a game right at the field where I'd grown up playing. And it was fun. You know, and and the game was was different from all of our other games in the constant movement constant sense of possibility of the play changing of constantly having to be actively involved in the play. Unlike baseball where you know baseball, these long intervals of conversation while you're waiting for, you know, somebody's still second or you know, to to bring the run home and just. Kind of that that I guess origin that I got from the strikers sorta kicked in a little bit. And I the next year the high school playoffs came, and I we had a team here Saint Thomas acquaintance, which has gone on since then to win. I don't know fifteen or seventeen state championships. And we were watching the girls team grows team. And I'm watching them play. And I'm going I've never really seen soccer. Like this before they were so good. So composed on the ball. So elegant in the way, they played and it just became a game for me that that I just slowly began to to really turn onto and that was my first writing gig and at newspapers at the time, nobody was really paying down the door to cover the soccer team. And it was usually entry level person. You know, someone who wasn't going do do the NFL or the NBA or or any of the other big sports. So I was you know, a willing accomplice in in that scenario to volunteer and did a. A little bit in nineteen ninety covering a few games in nineteen Ninety-one was the reporter for the Fort Lauderdale strikers for a bit and actually left the paper after ninety one and then didn't have really anything to write about. And I always just kept coming back to the game. There's something in this game. I never made a living from it. Tim never made a living from it. I promise you. I was mentioned previously in the SPN story by Carlisle that I'm a retired soccer writer, nobody I do not retire off my earnings from soccer believe me, but the game has always been part of part of my life, and I've never really been able to shake it, and it and it keeps circling back so probably by the mid nineties when MLS came in and that was really after the World Cup in ninety four MLS started. And that was the real sense that the game had foundation and went to the sun. Sentinel freelance writer at the time I made a proposal to do a soccer column and. The the editor Fred Turner too. I had worked for previously said. Yeah. Sure, you know papers, then had twenty eight pages if you held them open, you know, they stretched across like, you know, two seats, they were gigantic papers, and we covered everything. So I got got a soccer column, and I really became sort of the place where I was able to hone a voice for writing about the game. And by white writing about it weekly just having that engagement where where I had to deepen my knowledge because I was out there every week telling people what I thought I knew and so ever since then really I've I've just been involved in some form or fashion writing about the game did some TV work radio show, and it just never leaves me. And then here we are now with inter Miami circling back, and you know, we start up again next year with with another MLS team that will play its first two seasons. We. I understand in Fort Lauderdale. And so yeah, that's kind of how I came to it. And I don't know if I'm I'm an expert, but I've been doing it a long time. So I have some institutional knowledge at the very least. Well, no. And that's that's good because we're always looking for excuses for going deep into various teams and scenarios and stuff. And and as you said earlier, this is a very timely conversation, given the I don't know let's say, let's call it ongoing trauma around this new Major League Soccer franchise in Miami. But maybe a good place to start would be sort of around the structure that seems to be sort of the thread of the past the the long past that the recent past and potentially part of some form or fashion the future appro soccer in in south Florida that's Lockhart stadium. Why don't you give our audience, especially those not familiar with that stadium and door south Florida, generally about sort of the little? Story about I guess that that the history of white became interestingly somewhat of such a focal point for soccer down south in Florida. Yeah. Lockhart is very modest started out as a very modest high school football stadium was built in nineteen Fifty-nine. Basically two sets of grandstands about eight thousand seats on either side about thirty rose up. Maybe you know, ninety yards Downey sideline. And at the time. It was built in fifty nine. It was so far removed from downtown Fort Lauderdale, but people would complain how far they had to drive to get to it. You know, now it's of geographically located more or less in the center of of Broward County, and it's fairly close to Palm Beach county. So it's geographically it's it's very well played football stadium for for a number of years and as a kid growing up. That's that's how you knew Lockhart. You went to high school football games there. And on the big big games. It was packed. And it was an occasion and. Sometimes the games would be played on radio here. And in fact, the year bef- of of my graduation, nineteen seventy seven just prior to that I'd been going to watch my team south limitation high play LA carte stadium. The strikers came in in nineteen seventy seven moved for Miami. They were the Miami Gatos, and then the my Toro's and then the Robby family which owned the Miami Dolphins watt. The team pay had come in and seventy five nineteen seventy five with the cosmos. And this was the soccer boom happening and NFL owners couldn't own two teams at the time. So Joe Robbie had his wife was technically oh wife. Elizabeth was technically the owner, and it was pretty much a family business. So they started the strikers in seventy seven in Lockhart and it remained a high school football stadium. But since the strikers went in it's it's really identified as an I I believe in Konic. Soccer stadium in in the United States. And at the time. There was a running track around around the the field. They I think they put some stands on both ends. And so they got the the the seating to about ten thousand or so the strikers went out won their first four games were tops in the league that season nineteen seven record loss to the cosmos in the playoffs. But the, but the as Ray Hudson who played for the team back, then and still lives here, and his friend of mine, you know, that was the spark of a revolution. And it it transformed that space for whatever high school football could do in that space. It couldn't match. What strikers game was the place was so alive, so vibrant such a happening spot people who had no idea. None of us knew anything about soccer. We knew you kick the ball with the side of your foot. Not your show, you know, and at that time. The NFL kickers all soccer style kickers. But you know, it was a revolution to have someone. Come in in the sixties kick the ball the side of their foot drew up kicking balls with our tell. So we we had no idea really who the players where we had no context we had no media. That would tell us who was Ray Hudson. We had now raised on conic figure they should be able to statue for him at the new place. So we were so so new to it. And I think that was part of the charm is that we really didn't know. And and when the the game was so good, the quality was so good and the atmosphere that we were able to create their just turned on a lot a lot of people, and I would say a lot of people who who went in in subsequent teams that came along. I I don't necessarily knew know that they came back. I think the strikers created something very unique special that can never be replicated down here. But what it did? And what we're still doing here is or chase. Facing that that magic chasing that ghost bat was created in those seven years that the strikers were here, and we've not been able to duplicate it since and every time a team comes through. And it's it's kind of a running joke there that I say they you know, they end up in Fort Lauderdale at Lockhart stadium. You know, it's the magnet that that keeps pulling and and we're big reason for that. I think is just the unique intimacy of the stadium because it was very modest high school stadium. Seating was pretty close to the to the to this field. You were literally, you know. I mean, if you could throw a baseball, you know, fifty fifty yards you you could you know, hit someone that make field with it. I mean, it was you were right there and the players could feel that. And they the strikers are famous for doing something that American teams don't do after a game. They would jog around the field and applaud the fans and thank them and wave to the fans and. The fans were were no more than twenty thirty feet away from them. They would go to the fence shake their hands drink with them after the games at a place called peer street annex. So that stadium because it was so modest on and threadbare really it create. It was able to form a kind of a bond with the team that a big stadium cannot, and we we are we keep going back to it over and over and over again every team that comes through here ends up at Lockhart. And we're looking now Monday at this the beginning of the demolition of the stadium and the the minor league baseball stadium right next to it making way for for inner Miami. And as someone who's lived in that stadium, virtually as a reporter as a fan as as a kid in high school, it's time it's actually time to let go, but the the thing that's been. Invade very very clear to inner Miami. And they understand this is that if you tear down Lockhart, you cannot lose the lock art name the Lockhart name stays, and they in their stadium model video that they've put out about their their site plan. It is called Lockhart. And and I think that's a very it's a smart thing to do. 'cause I think they'll they'll keep the support in Broward County, they won't lose the port. And and they won't lose that legacy. It's it's a it's I wouldn't have imagined that this little place could still hold our heart in a way that it still does. But it does and it and now it's onto a kind of a future of Lockhart is an entirely different composition. And I think it will be a good one for from where we are in Broward County and Fort Lauderdale right now. Yeah. So growing up as a cosmos fan. And watching games from Fort Lauderdale on the embarrassment of riches because we got to see every every away game on the master channel. That was w WR channel nine in New York. It was a revelation, right? It was, you know, having gone a games seventy seven seventy eight where you're talking you'd obviously very famous Fort Lauderdale game. Which is at the time was the largest crowd ever. Watch North American Soccer league games. A playoff game later that season seventy seven eight eight eight two three score. We watched it on PBS. It was like it was like a basketball game. You know, the Cosmo's would score. The strikers would get it the cosmos would get it back and go scored again it was. It was a magic a lot different levels. I'm as peeling rain. It's twenty thousand people couldn't get in. But but then then to juxtapose that with. This again from an outsider's television kids purview, right? This someone seemingly ramshackle oddity. But amazingly interesting and clearly the intensity coming across on the screen of this sort of small somewhat crackerjack kinda, you know, boxy, you know, clearly, not gigantic giant stadium. Right. Clearly was unique. And quite an I would argue an advantage. All right. The kickoff is taking over along with yours. Curly. Howard David now for the play by play. Jim carlos. I our on their tack Fort Lauderdale Cosmo zone. Broken up of the cosmos required by Riyadh sinister. Midfield player. He's going to direct the show here tonight. Gusmo took him out of the game Sunday in a giant stadium. But this is a new ballgame. Alberto. Now, the canal you the McFee line back to Carlos Alberto being Mark. Now look for Fort Lauderdale to Mark very closer. They're gonna go at very closely. They felt the gay the cosmos too much room at the giant stadium. They've got a more narrow field to work with here. It's going to be easier for them to Mark more closely. And here they come. Norman. About committed by Fort Lauderdale Ray Hudson committed the Bracken. Correction? It was Hudson that was found guy. We'll get it together. Here. Come the strikers on the attack. Here's a heart shot see by messing part shot from the left side. And this crowd is really up. And so the strikers Cosmo's waco's Wockhardt stadium bedlam here. Now, we had seventy seven thousand Howard, and they didn't make much more noise in these people are making the acoustics right here as well. Everything is relative Jimmy seventy seven thousand in giant stadium. I don't know that fourteen of fifteen here, but it's a sellout. I'm just wondering how that spark had of specialness sort of came about was it just simply that the relatively small size of it. Or was it? What do you think was that sort of extra secret sauce that sort of made that place such a I guess magical place in in retrospect, I think it was a lot of things, but probably the newness of everything when I went out to my first game is mentioned earlier the Cosmo's and that night canal. You Pele Beckenbauer score the goals at the time. I don't recall that it was the week. I graduated high school by the way, and and but he went out there. And you couldn't believe what was happening. In norristown. We were about a third of the size. We are now. And the only thing we had at the time. Sports wise, really was we when the Miami Dolphins you grow to that in Broward county's always support. Miami teams in Miami teams survival to really the support abroad county fans in many ways, we had minor league baseball. We had spring training baseball with the Yankees. But we never had anything that had a real sense of occasion to it. And the way the what happened with the strikers the first game. I think there was about six thousand one hundred and twenty three or so if I remember the number correctly, listen to it on the radio and. They won their first four games and down here when you win and you and you're bringing something fresh people will will be intrigued by and they'll show up. So not only do they win their first four games that first team had probably eight or nine or ten English players that had been brought over and one or two of them were fairly. Well, gordon. Banks was the goalkeeper he had actually was operating with just one good. I it at an injury that cost him sight in one eye. He was woke up goalkeeper with England nineteen sixty six known for making the greatest save in World Cup history. Nineteen seventy against pay. But that was about it really the the manager Ron Newman was English, and he had gone and poach these English players and they bought over. They all kind of most of them had this kind of long shaggy hair. They look like they could have just as easily been playing guitar in rock band. And and they were just very acceptable. Very charming, and and again, and this is a tradition in soccer that's different from from other games. And you see it today. Even wanna play comes off the field after putting in an effort to the crowd applauds and the player applauds back and the connection I think in in historically and just innate in soccer is the way players relate back to fans, and they brought that and we have not really seen that before. It was always the athlete was sort of on this pedestal. He was bigger than us. He was doing things we couldn't do and strikers came in. They win their first four games. They applaud the fans showing their appreciation after the after they had played. And then after the game. There was a social where they would go to a place called peer street antics, and there would be you know, the place was just overrun. And you'd be sitting. I didn't go there at the time. But I had a cousin who was there and she'd sit down, and you know, we'd sit there with George Best having a beer. And it just was an intimacy stager right there. No. I know the the best story George Best season was I incredible. But it was that intimacy that and and these guys Ron Newman was was the manager. And you you know of Ron, of course, and one passed away last year couldn't be a better ambassador, especially in in a town where the game was new and run was there were fabulous with the press. They were great. They were completely available and open to the press. And and it just became the the thing to do. And again, I we didn't know anything. But I was going with friends who, you know, we've go to watch dolphin games or or whatever, and we would just go out there and by season two or three they had a rock band playing in the end zone. You know, you partying in the parking lot. The the tailgate parties we had the weather year round where we could, you know, be outdoors even in the early part of the season. And it just became. Came this. The thing to do. In a place with a wasn't that much more to do besides go to the beach, and and it just caught on and it and it built at built and built and I heard you're probably a recent show with about the player strike in nineteen seventy nine and referencing that being about a peak period for the NFL. And I think nineteen eighty was probably that year, and you know, that season we averaged fourteen thousand game which in that stadium means, you know, if you just pay to two or three thousand of side, they were planning to near capacity on many, many nights and Cosmo's would come in couldn't get a ticket. And and they won and the family once they got a taste of what it could be. They went out just the way they did with the dolphins. And they got the best people and we had in our team within a few weeks. And the thing it was early part of seventy nine season tiffy could be as Peru's greatest player. Ever george. Best GERD Mueller Mueller was the all time leading goal score in World Cup up until fairly recently. So within a just a sweep of time we were internationalized into now from being this kind of quirky kind of local team with English players into an international brand with with players who were known all around the world, and that parade of Cowan continue to to come through it never replicated that first season that kind of magic at the first season. It became more of us. We expect them to win. We expect them to to you know, play for play for the trophy every year. So the pressure is became a little different. But there was always that that sense of occasion when you went to Lockhart. So we'll get to sort of what sort of transpired after the original strikers in a second. But any sense of why Lockhart stadium in the first place? Right. Because this is a team that originated in Miami as the Toro's, and you mentioned the the Robby. Ownership is part of it. And this is a naive question from somebody who's not sort of lived and grown up in the south Florida area. But obviously, it's a very expansive area. Right. The arguably going from West Palm Beach to the north all the way down to the you know, down south through Miami itself, proper and with Fort Lauderdale somewhat smack in the middle. Why Fort Lauderdale versus the and this'll maybe hint to the current situation the perceived the larger and or more shall we say ethnically diverse, and maybe even more money population further south in Miami itself proper. I in preparing to speak to you. I was trying to think through that same question myself. I you know, I was in high school at the time. So what was hap- what would happen in Miami? And this has happened with every single team in Miami. The idea that Miami is this sort of this melting pot this I think melting pot. It's perfect for soccer. I think is more true. Today than it. It has been back in the in the seventies. There was this idea that you know, they called them the got those okay got those Spanish for cat. And then the totals, you know, these are these are names that were built to appeal to to to Latinos the fact that it is is that in in the seventies. Miami was largely emerging as a satellite to Havana, really. And it was a Cuban population and Cubans are not soccer players soccer people Cubans are baseball people. And so there was this idea that while they're Latin they they must love soccer. And actually that was not the case at all. I think Miami struggled. Also, I think Miami didn't have maybe. And I don't know they still do have in Broward. There is the sense of more of a communal feeling families, you know, growing up big park spaces Miami. I think is this a little more of a hodgepodge. Of of kind of of areas where you're just not gonna get much support and the Orange Bowl requirement for for football. But you put four thousand people in the Orange Bowl and believe me. There is no sense of occasion, sitting among four thousand people in seventy eight or eighty thousand seat stadium the Robbie's. I not exactly I don't recall exactly the wise and wear force of why they came. But I I'm gonna guess that it was that they knew that. Well, being the owners of the dolphins might my guess is. They would have known where their audience was coming from for the Miami Dolphins. I grew up in plantation my which is about thirty minutes from downtown Miami. My dad took me to the first dolphins game. And Joe our takes the opening kick off ninety five yards. Touchdown dolphin jumps up in the end zone out of a pool of water. And and then this is great. Let's keep doing this. And so when we were dolphin fans and. Would there was going down to the Orange Bowl from Broward County was a traffic backup? So they had to know looking at at their audience that there was there were sports fans here in sports fans, the means to support another team. And and I don't think they they looked at the stadium. And they said it's big enough to start in what? And when we need more. It's easily adaptable to adding on. And that's I I guess for for me. Tim is just there was that time when you being in New York with a Cosmo's. It just sort of the cosmos sparked this this irrational exuberance in the game. And that probably was a little bit. What happened with a lot of owners, and you know, doing the work that you do with with your podcast. You know, the the list of teams that failed. The strikers managed to hang in there had to leave go to Minnesota and their last season because we wanted to have an indoor team as well. And they that was not successful here that way, but I just think they just looked at it. Like we want in on this. And we're not gonna play in Miami. Because we don't have the stadiums. Not right. And we're going to give it a go. And I don't know that they thought it would catch the way quite the way it did. But they were great owners the best still the best team owners. We've had here in my view up until the Arison family taking over the Miami Heat. They've been they were fantastic in the way they created a sensitive connections with their with both the dolphins. And then the strikers as well. Well, so that must have made it, especially. Difficult given that the team leaves to go to Minnesota in eighty three or so and so just oppose that with your shall we say initial foray into journalism because it's it's almost unfortunate. Right that this league and his team or centrally kind of Evaporating just as you're sort of getting your your feet wet and arguably recognizing that you've got some interest indoor facility with this. The sport of soccer, maybe a little bit of sort of the what becomes of Lockhart and the pro soccer scene with their departure because it was clearly fallow period of time before the I guess the second issue division of the a reconstituted American Soccer League. And it's clearly a much more minor league kind of existence in the years that followed right? Yeah. For me as a journalist said that would have really been another decade out. I think I just needed more. You know, the time in the seasoning as a writer to to kind of be. Be the fusion was really my time. And in terms of that when the strikers left I was at the last game. I had actually just moved back from a friend up in in Cape Cod. And we was up there for the summer. My dad got sick. I came home in August, and the strike I just happened to time it for the strikers last game and bazaar night. We're up 200 plan plan our skins plane out of their skins. They were brilliant and then gave up four goals in the last ten minutes. And it was a it was sort of one of those nights where we knew they were leaving. And it was one of those nights where it was. They showed us what we were going to miss when they were gone for those eighty minutes, and then they said don't get too attached. And let's end this relationship now, and they gave up four goals last one was the worst own-goal. I think I've ever seen Thomas wrong in just a little soft past the goalkeeper Yang van Beveren. And and not even looking at the ball just rolls. So slowly over the goal line. I don't even think it. The net. And that was it, and it was over, and but and this is this is the be all endings are really a beginning of something else. So this became the beginning of trying to recapture the strikers and that started the very next season. It was a a United soccer league was formed with nine teams around the United States. And of course, we had a team called the Fort Lauderdale sun that was placed in in that league. And the sun was the the champions for that year. I went to one game with my dad. I was other things were happening in my life at the time. But I went to a game knew what was going on a little bit by the second season. The owner had been busted for trying to smuggle two hundred thousand dollars worth of pot in through Laredo. And and that was the end of that team. And and then talk about a fallow period that they're literally the game died pretty much in this country odd thing in. Eighty four. Whereas the son was here. I'm watching. The Olympics were in LA that year, and I'm turn on the TV, and they showed a picture of Stanford Stadium for soccer match, and it was packed ninety eight thousand people in Stanford Stadium. They say, wow, look at that. And that. Attendance, though, the attendances they got in California for for the Olympics or the seed that put that led to the bid for the United States in nineteen eighty eight to go for the World Cup to be the host for the ninety four World Cup. And that's saved really the game in this country. Because if not for a all those people going to Stanford be inspiring decide time we did a World Cup here. We could we'd feel Sadia GMs for a month. They'll come they'll they'll be they'll they'll fill these stadiums. That bought bought brought the game back as once. They once the World Cup was awarded the United States in eighty eight another league starting American Soccer League, which of course, Fort Lauderdale came in as the Fort Lauderdale strikers in that league. And the the problem can with all minor leagues is I'm sure, you know, through your research is they all start with a good first night. If. The team is decent though. Hang in there for a little while. But there's no sustainable economic model for you can't make enough money selling tickets, no television money, no merchandise sales. And so our next version of the strikers, which was from nine hundred eighty two to ninety four started. Well, actually worked one season in ninety two got kind of an inside. You've how how am I r- league team works? And and then they they were they were gone by by ninety four gone through three or four different owners and everybody again, just believing they could that recapture the striker magic that we had been so privileged to experience previously. So that was an interval really. And I think the MLS coming in as a result of the World Cup in ninety four and that was part of the deal. The other part of the World Cup getting United States. Getting the bid is that the United States would have to start a professional soccer league first division. National soccer late comparable to what we had with the N ESL. And then that really I think has brought us into about a twelve year period there where I think the game was at a pretty anonymous state. And then now brought it back to MLS in ninety six. And then building it to where you know here. We are what twenty something years later with another team coming into south, Florida. And then and then a no new a new Lockhart getting birth here in the next over the next few. They've got a basically demolished this whole site in ninety days and then build a stadium build a training facility build offices. It'd be ready to go by January. So that's kind of you know, in in the linear of the story. That's that's that's where we are now in. Yeah. So I'm not sure that answers the question because I came as a journalist really in ninety ninety one and just, you know, everybody else had kinda peeled off taking another. Assignment. And I raise my aunt and said I'll I'll do that. I'll I'll go out. They knew they knew I like the game. And that that's really when I kinda got started at it. All right. We're gonna take a quick brief pause. 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They downloaded book free and gratis courtesy of yours truly here. It could still available and our friends at audible sank you. Audible, we appreciate it. And that we appreciate you joining our conversation once again. Well, let's talk about the fusion that because so you're you're mentioning the the tie between the World Cup and the expectation of a major league again, much the light of many fans of the old North American Soccer league, and pro soccer and having seen it it di- and with her, and, you know, pretty much lay fallow for quite some time. Maybe a little bit of an origin story about how the fusion sort of came about because they were not part of the original group of teams that started in ninety six they came along two years later with the time when I was a huge fan of the other expansion team the Chicago fire and quick little anecdote for all our soccer nerds out there. I was actually at the the first ever Miami fusion game, which was against my Chicago fire. I think that was the first game of fusion. I'm Mike and game. First person. We're at that game for I ever for the five. Yes, that was a revelation because that's where goalkeeper Zach Thornton actually stepped up that to be saved a penalty kick a whole bit that, you know, supposedly this Rama well, or or or post was going to be sort of this superstar goalie for the fire supposedly, but it's clear that, you know, having been that was my first trip ever to to Lockhart stadium. But I guess I'm really interested in its Revette origin story about how it was determined that the quote, unquote, Miami fusion in quotes for a reason, you know, I'm sure you're going to get to that was deemed worthy to be the first of the expansion franchises in this fledgling leagues history. Well, they the original group of Penn. Miami was always always going to be inconsideration and did not make the cut for the first ten, and and lack of ownership would be really the reason for that. I think the way the league was set up with that owner investor thing any they didn't. I didn't really come together for that first group. So the ninety six that was ninety six ninety eight was the year that you Kogyo, and then a Miami fusion came in and the owner of the Miami fusion at the time Ken Horowitz had an ownership stake in the MetroStars New York, New jersey MetroStars so he'd gotten a taste of the league. And he he he had made his money in telecommunications. And he bought a team for twenty million dollars and two years earlier the at the entrance feat again league was five million dollars. My first question to Ken was did. You overpay. You know, there's a five million dollar franchise two years ago. It's twenty million. Now, he says no that the value of the league is gonna those are famous last words for the fusion. So the the fusion I the way the Miami thing happened, they they weren't gonna go to lock I think they always had those that mindset on Miami. And and Miami is the glamour of it. Miami. Does resonate you say Miami, anywhere Latin America, they're gonna get it. They know what Miami is. And I think there was always the idea that Miami would be this connection to to Brazil and Argentina and Ecuador and Colombia where legit Colombian population here, then as well. And and that that that would give Melissa gateway into the Americas. So one of the things that was in play at the time was the state of Florida was giving sixty million dollars in renovation money to older stadiums. As long as they had a professional tenant the dolphins had moved on. So the Orange Bowl was was only had the university of Miami. Which would not make them eligible for this money. So besides the fact that they were gonna go to Miami because of the because it was Miami. And because of the connection to Latin America, there was stadium money that they thought they could get in that would have been two million dollars a year for thirty years. So. The city of Miami was real keen on getting that money to do stadium improvements, and then for the for the fusion, but the owner Ken Horowitz that would be a way to help pay for the you know, the the upgrades in the stadium and making a good fan experience. And all that. I don't think I think at the time though, when that when they hope to get that money that. That the state was looking at they didn't need to do this anymore. And I think that selloff in the other thing was happening is and this is what's happening. The same thing with you know, Miami it is much easier to do business in Broward County than it is in Miami date, and I can became frustrated with the progress that was being made in coming to a lease agreement, and it was not that great release agreement. I don't have details in front of me right at the other day. And I I looked at it. And I said not not really conducive to long term success. There's a guy I know known for a long time. I worked briefly in ninety two when I worked in the strikers office guy named Eddie Roger and Addy is was a trainer for the original strikers and Eddie went into sports management in the nineties and Eddie contacted Ken and said, you should take a look Lockhart and Eddie became the conduit for bringing Ken Horowitz into the history of Lockhart into what happened with when the when the strikers were here, and you know, in any owner, and I think at grandma's is doing this a little bit with inter Miami. With with Lockhart is having a, you know, a plan b a leverage. So Ken started talking to Santa Fort Lauderdale about renovating Lockhart stadium. Miami again hard to make to do business. The least not that good and over. Span of about two months. Ken just turn on a dime and decided in got the approval of city of Fort Lauderdale and Broward County to go in and this was in September, Tim he gets an agreement in September. The team's first game is in March the following March. So within a span of just a couple of months of of reevaluating, the the the the the logic of being in Miami coming to Miami putting putting money into the stadium having a much better lease deal and recreating that striker kind of magic that intimacy of the stadium. Can you know came in? They put the blazers up some seating around the end zone. New press box five million dollars on top of the twenty million paid and as the day of the first game against DC United which would have been the week before you were there. And they were literally, you know, still with paintbrushes gabbing certain areas of of of the stadium. They're working right up to the day of the first game to get the stadium ready. And and that that's you know, that's how that that started. And and the first game there were twenty thousand four hundred and fifty people total sell out. The unlike the strikers, though, the the fusion lost its first game soccer's opening day here Lockhart stadium in Fort Lauderdale. History has gone quite enough velocity. On our power to get it past goalkeeper, garlic. Nice pass on a pack to weigh the Senate. Kicks for DC. They split. The defence on the far side Sunday lays at back in William slaves at home. Five men wall at your very. Put him by sun. When the shot came in sauna lost his marker climate and the ball bound is put in he found the back of the net. It's to nothing DC Miami. Fusion history has begun. It begins with a two loss against DC. Missed an opportunity there to kind of turn the fans on it in the next week when you were there with with Chicago didn't score all again. And it was almost like all the all the luck in the and everything that went great with the fusion was kind of reading paid back for. I mean with the strikers, I'm sorry. We're being paid back with the fusion, the fusion started the exact opposite of what the strikers they started with big crowds. And then and then and instead of wins. They started with losses, and and the crowds just started to go away. And and that that happened pretty quickly in that first season. It was it was a real kind of disappointed was a major disappointment. We had a a bad start, and they could never really recover from it unwittingly, though became. I'm kind of the the beginnings of this idea of a soccer specific stadium. I think frankly almost unintended right? A lot of people sort of look at Columbus, and their stadium is being sort of the first ever, really. But if you if you really think about it this, you know, this really was sort of the beginnings of the idea in practice of how a a more intimate arrangement might look for for soccer in the United States, especially with it being the primary tenant versus a a less sore or let's see you picked up on the point that I was hoping to get to in mccreavy answer. And that is exactly what happened MLS came in. And you know, we all rationalize based on you know, what's available to us. You know and analysts came in. And Doug Logan was the Commissioner excuse me. Think did a great job. Getting the league started. The idea though, rented sorta revitalize these old stadiums the Cotton Bowl that'd be Orange Bowl Soldier Field. And you know in in kinda give them a new life with the team. Are they really didn't have a choice to be honest that those were the only stadiums available. Doug Logan was resistant to Lockhart right up until the first game was played. And and they did not want to leave Miami. The league wanted to name Miami to to stand. They weren't comfortable coming to a smaller stadium. And after that first game senio Galati was there who was a deputy Commissioner in the league at the time went on to be president of US. Soccer Doug Logan was there. DC United the first opponent Bruce Arena, they were the standard bearers of American professional soccer. And they all that same day said this is where we need to go these kinds of stadiums. So you're dead on observation that was the beginning. And that's why Lockhart is a legacy stadium because it showed him less that again going. Back to what you know, three thousand people watching the Toro's and in the Orange Bowl versus ten thousand people in a twenty thousand seat stadium, isn't so bad. So they could mask the smaller crowds on those nights. They had smaller crowds and all the nights when MLS bigger crowds and small stadium. Now, it really felt like again going back to that feeling that it's a sense of occasion being being in a what feels like a big crowd in a small venue is completely different experience than being in the same number of people in the stadium where covering the seats and the in the sound doesn't hold in any of that. But yeah, Lockhart was the beginning of the future of where MLS has gone, and where it is today completely unequivocally and go the fusion, go went out of business. That's what they gave this league. And that's what can Horwitz gave the sleek. So one of the name Miami versus the location Fort Lauderdale. And how much did that contribute to the relative unsuccessful run of the fusion, it seems to me from sort of being a league fan and removed from the situation that Fort Lauderdale aliens if that's a word or four people who live in Fort Lauderdale or the environment don't necessarily love the idea of housing and or being branded as AMI. Yeah. We were kinda used to Miami. Being the you know, the prettiest couple in the in the room. You know, we get that from the dolphins where used to driving down for that the Miami Heat, you you just go where the game is. You know, I I think we're less caught up in it. Then I think Miami people are look at Broward County is up there. And it just don't don't really are less likely. I think to make the make the trip up than we are to make the trip down to Miami. We're used to it. So I think there is this a little bit of a balkanisation in terms of dividing the counties a little bit. And I think it's probably grown a little bit. In the sense that I think Broward now has so much more to do gate his has grown up as well. What's become more nation? Traffic was never great down here. But it's it's getting to be where to go. You know, one county to the next is a is a little bit of a better lift because of because just the time it takes to get somewhere. I think the fusion the last season of the fusion Ray Hudson was the coach, and they played what is still regarded as one of the the the most the best quality of an MLS team in its history. Among the three or four teams that played the best soccer. I believe had they stayed. After a while. If let's say fig, oh for years more, and it's in it's a stab wished as a Fort Lauderdale team. I think there would have been a a question of you know, why are we calling it Miami? It's not Miami anymore. It started that way we understand that. But I think there would have been a move to rebrand the team possibly in the in the in the in the renaming it is the Fort Lauderdale strikers, if it had caught on and and state, and I think it would have been smart for the reason of the reasons you outline, I think he just gives that sense of the community. You're in having that buy in with the team having that connection with the team in, you know, people will people will come to watch something if it's really good. And I think they would have been able to get get past that with I don't think Miami people would have been offended actually to have a team that's playing in Fort Lauderdale, rebranded. You know, we never got there because the team was. Disbanded by Emma, less. I think we're going to run into it a little bit with inner Miami. I think at the beginning people will come from Miami and income down. I don't think this is great. I think it's a it's a very good solution. They come up with it's not an ideal scenario though for the for the launch of team Beckham Senate, David Beckham Senate, you only get one first game and Miami inter Miami is gonna play its first game in Fort Lauderdale. And it starts to bring back this feeling that it never makes it in Miami. And they always end up in Fort Lauderdale. Anyway, here we are before they even played a game in Miami that back and Fort Lauderdale. So I think over the course of this teams early history they're going to have to work through those identity issues a little bit. And my understanding is the way they will do that is go out and get as good a. Player as they can afford and they can afford a lot. So the plan is wherever we play. We're gonna put a team out there that people are going to want to go to create an experience, and we're a team out there that people do not wanna miss, and they they have anything short of that will be a problem. It's very junior mentioning identity things. I think it's a very, and I think this is one of those things that's going to continue to play out. Right. Because it's also interesting that, you know, circa ninety nine right? This is when the San Jose clash at the time, then went back to the way, maybe against MLS his wishes, which has all another sorta thread to this, right? How much of the own ASL, especially at that time with a new league fledgling to did people want to quote, unquote, remember, right because I think arguably it was still fresh enough and people's minds as it was a I want to say disaster. But it was it failed ultimately, quote, unquote. And why revisit? It that yet the earthquakes name comes back in ninety nine and we've seen with the with further teams coming back into Major League Soccer, right? There's the sort of adopting the old names, and it's very hard to whitewash the past that comes with those old names, especially if they resonated with longer-standing citizens who were there during the original years of that franchise name, right? So you look at any salvos fails, supposedly fails, none of this would be happening. Of course, if not for all those failures the the history of American soccer began with the failure of the NSL. So this supposedly failed leaving ninth goes out of business in nineteen eighty four. So twelve years later MLS starts, so let's see I was in nineteen Eighty-four. How old was I I was I don't know not quite twenty five twenty six and then I'm thirty seven thirty eight. When the next week comes along. I'm still kind of in the bread and butter years. You know, it's not that big of a deal in terms of the time. And and the way people connected to the game. And that was a miscalculation that they the MLS made in that they wanted to distance themselves from the so-called failure. And they did it, you know, they did a smart thing is by getting control of cost a single entity. I think was the way that may comfortable for owners showed profits and losses. Everybody's in the same and all that work. But what they what they failed to understand was at the that the NSL did connect with people. And it was a you know, Seattle's had the Sounders, right? They Seattle comes back in as the Sounders, the Portland timbers. You know, those those teams connected, and I'm glad to see that in San Jose. When I saw that. I didn't I I thought the clash was an okay name. I am a problem with it. But yeah, we're the earthquakes where the San Jose. Earthquakes, you know, where the Seattle Sounders. This is who we are. This is our history, and I think trying to to whitewash or run away from your history. Typically, doesn't you know work is a great line in the movie holiday, you can you can forget the past. But the past is not forget you. And that passed was so powerful that any s-l history was so powerful that it did carry over into 'em LS, regardless whether they wanted it to or not, and and I think that's a testament really not just to the N ESL, but through the power of the game to keep people even when we went through that that decade or so period where there really wasn't much to watch or follow. And you know, the the game sustains this ultimately is is is the game worth going to is it worth watching. Is it a great game? And it is. And and that's why MLS was you know, started well whether the little bit of patchy time. When the fusion and the Tampa were contracted, but it got through it. And then the David Beckham moment really the way Pele sparked the game and in seventy five come into the Cosmo's back in two thousand seven coming into the galaxy. But through all this, you know people's connection to this game. And they're they're feeling for you know, what it's like to be in a stadium. And when your team, you know, gets that goal at the end, and you walk out of there feeling like you're flying. That's what keeps us, you know, holding onto our names only on our teams holding onto these stadiums. That that we go to it's that experience that fan experience, you know, or as a journalist when you when you have to write about these these moments, and you know, for all the the we talk about through all this history now, and it's a short history really short history that we're talking about the game has managed to to get a Tokes in. And then keep keep digging. A little bit a little bit a little bit. And you know, now, we're at at a moment where the games, you know, it's here, it's it's part of our part of the life of American life. And so that's a testament to I had this idea for a business. Right. So my dentist would be going to potential team owners and saying this is how much money you're gonna lose on this soccer franchise. I'm gonna save you the money. Just give me ten percent. Here projected losses. I'm gonna save you the two million gonna lose. So nobody would listen to that idea because everyone who's made money thinks they're going to be different. They're gonna make money, but the game that we have today is open to all these people who through through these years went out and put their money down with the belief that they were going to be different in that they were gonna make money at this game. And the game is is like anything it's built on these layers of failure. Until you get to the point where you know. You've made it, and I think, you know, the NFL gave us that chance to make it, and you know, and here we are. And you know, today, there's eight or ten games on TV. Then I'm going to be a watch MLS vanishingly talion. We've whatever I wanna watch. I can watch today, and that all started really with those owners putting the money in bringing those players in creating that identity with fans, and I'm glad you're quake. So back. Let's let's let's finally then set the table then for what's ahead, and we've sort of danced around it. But maybe we can get it'll but more clear eyed about sort of what's in the mix right now. I'm L S is, you know, for a while now has been a chomping at the bit to get back into the quote, unquote, Miami market, David Beckham has gotten sort of the deal of the century supposedly as part of his original contract to have a very heavily reduced price franchise in the league. And that's not for forever. Right. So there's a period of time. He's got exercise that and Miami has been that place, but it has not gone very smoothly. There still really isn't a clear sense of how that stadium situation in and around the city or the environs of Miami is actually going to finally play out. But here again comes Lockhart stadium as we've sort of hinted at before almost two as a either a lever as you were mentioning earlier or. Dare I say could history Pete itself again where this new Lockhart. So to speak becomes maybe the end game and the actual residential place of where inter Miami wants up playing over time. Yeah. The short answer would be. Yes. It could. I as someone who is lives fifteen minutes from Lockhart. And would just love the fact that it's going to be here. I'm perfectly comfortable with Miami making it, and I hope they do that was the that was the idea, and I we're we're going to see what's going to happen. We we don't know. And I think a lot of the issues with the team is they the only thing you really reading about or, you know, the legal issues of dealing with trying to get the stadium and Lamey this week we just dealt with even the agreement in in Fort Lauderdale. There was a competing group trying to get it in a judge ruled on Friday that interview. Miami has the right to go in and with the city of Fort Lauderdale property and demolish the existing facilities and build on that on that space. So even this week. It was the were preoccupied with with the legal side of it versus you know, that extent that excitement you get from who's who's the first player gonna be who's the manager going to be. We don't talk about that. We've not talked about that. And that's not the best way to to to build the brand. I think Miami probably will happen. And the reason is is that the current space that they would go build on his right now is the Mel rings. It's a public off course. No as it's called. And there was a a vote in November whether to give the Beckham group the an opportunity for a no bid contract on that space. Miami voters voted sixty to forty percent. With Beckham against keeping the golf course. That's a pretty big margin. Politically as of last I've heard there still two commissioners out of five that have to vote on this that are against that that have not been one over. I'll put it that way and not been one over to with that space. And here's where the Beckham getting the the bargain that you refer to it. It's it's critical. I believe to this even happening at all Bekka is my understanding God got twenty five million dollar franchise fee. David Beckham's, probably not spent five cents of that. He's probably retaining Jordan. And this is me speculating, but I feel pretty safe in this. He's probably got majority ownership. He's got a stack of billionaires five deep that have probably come in for whatever the, you know, whatever their their stake in it is, but they're spending peanuts to get ownership of the franchise the money that they would. Normally put into buying the franchise is up to two hundred million now for MLS that money that they're not spending on the franchise fee is money that gives them the latitude and the flexibility to do what they're doing it Lockhart. They're gonna put between sixty and seventy five million into that space, and it gives the money to build their own stadium at what will be called freedom park. So money solves a lot of problems, and it makes lawsuits go away sometimes, and I believe they'll get it done because the owner or hey moss is a Miami guy. He's he's a big part of the community down there. And I think he will be driven to make that deal happen. But he's also the type that would just say, you know, no, I'm not taking that deal. We're not doing that. Then if the deal, isn't right and. If they were to end up in Fort Lauderdale. I think it may go to three seasons to be honest. We're looking at two it it could go as long as three, and I think there is a danger of of it ending up and and and being here and we'll see once they start playing next year. What the what the response is going to be whether like you had alluded to before does Broward County feel like, you know, is this a guest in our town or they are they part of us. And you know, to the extent, I I think those things do matter how how you how you connect to how a team connects to community and how a community identifies with that. And I think they've got some ground to make up in that area. And the best way they can do it is to get the best possible players in the best possible manager to put the best possible team out there. 'cause if it's a great team. None of this will matter. People will go watch. So regardless of how it ultimately plays out to you. I think I know the answer to this. But do you sense that inter Miami, the makes some reference and door bows deferentially to this history of Lockhart? An what came before it or do you think it'll be largely ignored because it's a new brand. And nobody wants to remember arguably the past now they've already they're calling it Lockhart. It's it's now they could name the facility to space is is Paul Lockhart everything, and they know that we were about a couple of months ago. Paul mcdonagh who's the general manager for inter Miami invited? It was myself and about a dozen other Broward based soccer people Ray Hudson. Was there any Roger vibe mentioned earlier Tim Robbie who's involved with several incarnations of running the teams here. You could be played. So it was really the people that he wanted to to introduce himself to in Broward County. And and you know, I believe it was might have been me raise my hand and said, you know, will there be something done there that will acknowledge that the history of Lockhart, and he said, absolutely. And they've they've lived up to that in their in their stadium, the model that they developed as a virtual video of the of the site, and it is very prominent Lockhart and one of the things Tim that you know, in all the years that you're going to Lockhart. It's like when you go when you pull into the stadium commercial boulevard and uses big big stretch of kind of soft sand, and there's like a water processing little station there, and there's like parking, and and it's not even like paid. It's just gravel and there's some trees, and it's not really all that, you know, attractive. To be honest, and you're surrounded over on the other side with machine shops and warehouses, and and this and you get to Lockhart, and there's no sort of prominent thing there that says, wow, you're at Lockhart stadium. You know, it's not like you've arrived to the cathedral. There's really no branding at all on that stadium. So inner Miami actually in in their version of what Lockhart would be I think it's a beautiful vision for the site eighteen thousand seat stadium training fields that would bring in. We're a big site. Just the way for baseball spring training, which historically been where we we will be a big site for international teams coming into train MLS teams coming to the train because of the weather. This this space has capacity to be a really icon IQ in a new way as not just a training facility, but a a site for for games. And I think they'll do the Lockhart named Justice. They'll they'll expand on it in in what they're doing when I saw the the site plan, and what they were looking to do it just kinda sent a little bit of a like a good chill through me. It was like this is a fulfillment of what we thought the strikers would be, you know, forty years ago, we thought we would be, you know, God this keeps going imagine. What it's going to be in twenty or thirty or forty years. Well that never happened and here Miami has come in and they're saving an abandoned site. If a band, and nobody plays there. Nobody there's no there's no reason to go there. They're saving this site. And I think they're going to elaborate on it in ways that are going to make it even more icon IQ than it was when the strikers played here. I wanna perfect world. Right. It would be it would also help regionalize the appeal of the of inter Miami. As as a franchise reckon the regionality, right? And I guess also in. Continuing that perfect world you'd you put a US L franchise in once the team goes to Miami. And God forbid you call the Fort Lauderdale strikers. And and sort of the the circle is complete. Right. I heard saw some mention it out on Twitter that they were looking maybe by the striker name. I think I think a guy named Bill Edwards in Tampa. The Tampa Bay rowdies purchase it a couple years ago. I'm not sure what the the value of it is. But they could do that. I think they're looking to do a US L two team. So it's more like a like a AA baseball equivalent, you know, on the main US salad. They're not going to compete with themselves. One of the things, you know, where the location is. And this hasn't really we talked earlier about the sort of my engage versus Broward Fort Lauderdale that dividing line Lockhart is closer to Palm Beach county, which has no sports franchises. And a pretty pretty vibrant, at least in the south part of the county pretty vibrant soccer community their new soccer community. I think that will by being. Lockhart del if who's them really to get a get a presence in into south Palm Beach county and even into central Palm Beach county and and really look to extend the geography of the team. They're gonna struggle getting Miami people from south Miami to come central Miami, south Miami, come in north Miami. It's not that big of a drive. They can do it. But they are at a little bit of a distance from what they are eventually going to call home. So they've gotta re re earn those a different set of fans. And I think there is the opportunity in Broward, but also in south Palm Beach to to expend expend the extend the brand as well. All right. Well, I reserve the right to keep you on the show the shortlist as as all this stuff sort of plays out because I have a feeling this is not the end of the conversation. And and there could be some very interesting tangents that the story can alternately a take. And I suspect that you're. Going to be intrigued with how that plays out, and maybe even volved in in some some form or shape of it. Here's the thing the game just keeps it won't go away. Right because he's coming back. So even if I wanted to not be involved, there's virtually no way, it's it's it's back, and it's back in a big way. And I just really want us to get to where we're, you know, why are we sports fans we or sports fans now to see who wanted to go a court case, we wanna see a team, you know, we wanna see players. We wanna say youth academy. That's been Beckham stain with ease wants to have a and we can have a great youth academy of south or two kids going in there. No, no requirement to pay to be in the snoop academy, which is different from any other use group he would play for. So they've got big ambitions about big money. And we're excited by it being Beckham, it brings a not just a cashier. But it's attractive. Great people in the ownership and in the front. Office and in the youth coaches. We wanna see now we wanna see what's the team going to be. And that's that's the next step here, and hopefully, we can kind of get past or geographic challenges, and and put a great team out there that you're willing to drive the city because it doesn't matter really if the team's not very good. You know? Who's gonna stay who's gonna buy a ticket? And it's really hard down. Here. We're not like Cleveland may just show up. No matter Philadelphia, they show up to boot the team we don't show up to boot with each off the chair. And you know, we don't we can't be bothered with Boone downs new. So it's really now incumbent on them to deal with this this start that they've had by by putting the resource into two players getting the best players. Well, I look I appreciate this is a very is his open up the window to the story of the past and the present. And what we hope is going to be a very vibrant future potentially a couple of different paths to that future. And I appreciate your sort of being the locust for for that for that conversation. You also though that the sport of soccer hasn't left you very much, right? Because you've you've got a book project in the works. Tutti wanna tell all right. It's about that. And and what the story about that is and what you're trying to do with it. Yeah. Weren't a wrote a novel didn't want to get into writing nonfiction. And and part of me now is through our conversation here and just doing the research is maybe looking at doing something that would capture south Florida history. But then lieu of that I was sided to I to write a novel a work of fiction, and it really draws upon pretty much everything we've been we've been talking about here, and I it's called the magnificent, mardi Dale, and I just completed it. So I'm now in the process of looking for a literary agent or publisher and the book is about an Englishman who comes to play his final season for a third division team in a fictional city. I call Hispanics by the sea, and it's a we always had the reputation, you know, this from the NSL that, you know, the the really good European players are just coming over here for one more payday, and, you know, just kinda just an easy checking in Fort Lauderdale was to come here for the for the weather and the money so that my both is based on an Englishman kind of trying to deal with some a little bit of George Best type Paul Gascoyne type who's kind of. Tested, his gifts. And it was needs a fresh start and and ends up finishing his career in in south, Florida, basically. So that was funny, right. Because it allowed me to kind of kind of go back into you know, that that history that we've been we've been talking about privilege really to have this opportunity. I really it's my favorite subject. You probably can tell. And just you know, trying to capture it in in a in a literary form and just kinda under a different kinds of truth that that section allows you is not fiction nonfiction. The story is not always a happy ending. You know, because how many teams have have we seen in unhappily down here. I'm hoping the next one is a happy ending. But anyway, hopefully in a year or two I'll I'll have a book out there, and I'll be involved in some some extent with writing about inter Miami, as well, I'm probably looking at starting a blog of some sight of some kind so that I can kind of way in a little bit on what's going on with this process. I look I think that that in addition to your your novel would be would be excellent because you have a wealth of history and have a longitudinal lens, shall we say about what's what's transpired in the past some of which is directly applicable, and or lessons either to be learned or not repeated or Frank. Good things that you know, that, you know, quote, unquote, new management doesn't necessarily. No or appreciate how can we get in contact with you? If say there is a magic soccer literary agent out there, or or others that want to perhaps help you in that pursuit on Miami web address or Twitter or Email any anything like that. Yeah. I'm on Twitter at J E, F F R US and a k and I'm on Facebook as well. My just through Facebook. I could be contacted as well, just Jeff Rusnak. I'll could you school me on there's not many roughnecks out there. So I should show up there. Fantastical your number one in our book, and hopefully, a few more new links from from this episode once we have it up in in podcast landed and Jeff this has been a tremendous at and well-timed too. I appreciate your allowing me to poke you gently into going back in time as well. As sort of the scene set for what's hopefully to come with pro soccer down in south, Florida. This has been a really excellent. And I hopefully not the the last of our conversations around this topic. Well, real again, a real real pleasure and love what you're doing with with just your general take on capturing stories that that become lost. And you know, we're of an age. I think I say say that. We're the ones who are the stewards of keeping that that history preserved. And and and I think I what I appreciate your terminology. The longitudinal part of this is, you know, the past is just it's always we're always adding to the past and the past is is we're living in, you know, today is a result of everything that's come before us, and and these stories, you know, inform us and and enlighten us in in ways to do things better. And you know, believe me with with inter Miami. And we've been very clear that people who have gone through this history down here is we can help you. We have institutional knowledge to help you not make the mistakes that have been made prior to us. And that's that's that. Hopefully, I think they'll respect that they have so far. And you know, this is this is this the last chance has nevertheless chance. But I think inter Miami is is really the chance we have to make happen. It's the best chance that we have to really institutionalize the game for. Long long time down here. And so we're I'm gonna pull for it is as best I can in in any way. I can because I I love the game. And I I wanna see generations who serve you know, beyond me get that same experience that I've been privileged to have living down here in south Florida. All right. Well, we got to stay tuned to this story. This is literally a one that is unfolding as we speak and it remains to be seen. What happens with this franchise? But as far as we can tell you know, major league soccer's depending on the new Miami franchise to be in place for the beginning of the twenty twenty season. And that's literally, you know, less than a year away. And it's clear now since this conversation and the approval by all the authorities in Fort Lauderdale at least that construction and clearance of all the the old remnants of the old Lockhart stadium are underway. And we basically will see construction starting in the in a couple of months time recording this around the first week of may, and I guess by the middle of July building. Will start occurring in earnest to get that that stadium up and running for hopefully, a probably late spring start in twenty twenty. But the the the bigger intrigue, of course, is what's going to happen with the development down in in freedom park or this. They wanna call it down in Miami proper. Is that going to happen that is clearly a unsolved issue right now a bunch of legal hurdles still yet to clear, it's very interesting. I think some people already sort of surmising that it may be more than two years in Lockhart stadium in Fort Lauderdale, and perhaps maybe if you can believe it, and as I was sort of hinting at him poking Jeff in our conversation, maybe winds up unwittingly becoming the permanent home of the team now while it's all speculation. But it's interesting how history repeats itself again. This would be the first rodeo that Major League Soccer or pro soccer generally has played if you will when it comes to. Domus Aisling team in pro soccer in the south Florida area. 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Prosecuting the Coup (feat Elie Honig)

Mueller, She Wrote

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Prosecuting the Coup (feat Elie Honig)

"Hey all this is glenn kirschner and you're listening to muller she wrote to be clear. Mr trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs. That's what i said. That's obviously with our position is. I'm not aware all any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at the time and the campaign and i didn't have not have communications with the russians. What do i have to get involved with putin for. Have nothing to do with putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about him other than he will. Respect me russia. If you're listening. I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing. It is political communist. No mr green. Communism is just red herring all members of the oldest profession. I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to muller she wrote. I'm your host ag but you can call me. Alison gill now today. We're going to talk about the department of justice and possible wide ranging investigations into trump's conspiracy to overthrow the government. And whether or not they're happening i'll be speaking with ellie hoenig. He says we haven't seen any public reporting that. The the the conspiracy to overthrow the government is being investigated. And that's a problem. He and i have somewhat differing opinions on whether the doj is investigating and to be fair. He has way more experience than i do. In this having been at southern district of new york and colonel division in new jersey for federal prosecutor puerto state prosecutor. I'm a comedian. Who tells dick jokes. Who reads the news now That's why i wanna bring him on And talk about this. And i'm also an eternal optimist as you know there are a lot of old school updates this week though and even though we didn't have any indictments and despite you hearing me making this episode. I am technically off this weekend. I'm in new york. So if you hear a loud roar that's the air conditioning or sirens might happen downstairs. But i i am technically off. So that means indictments could drop right like we could get. Yeah like we could see a matt. Gaetz indictment on on friday. Which is today august. Sixth though you'll be hearing this on august eighth. That charging timeframe was july august. So we do have a few weeks left and we still don't know if the The continuance of joel greenberg's sentencing. He was supposed to be sentenced on august nineteenth but he said no way. I can tell you about all the crimes between now and then so. They extended his sentencing. I we do not know and we don't have any public reporting not that i've seen anyway. That is pushing back the gates charging decision timeframe. Either we don't know we just don't know the last we heard was before greenberg wanted continuance on his sentence and the the timeframe was july august. So here we are. But anyway i'm off. I'm just telling universe. I'm technically off. Even though i'm recording episode right now doesn't count so you can feel free to indict feel free to indict anyone from from the trump world But i am looking forward to speaking with alli. Because i i think that the department of justice is investigating this at the very least. They know that this happened. Because they've been handing over all these materials to congress right They know and if they know there's to me there's just no way they can't investigating And and if they aren't that's a huge problem right. I so i tend to think they are. I hope that they are. They have to be in my head. Maybe i'm just like. I'm so i can't imagine them not. Then that's why feeling this way. But elliott beyond later to talk about it All right we do have a lot of other stories. That happened This week so let's jump in with just the facts all right first up one of my favorite people. Jane mayer is back with another incredible new york apiece. This one's about dark money. She talks about the deep rig. This is a film called the deep break financed by patrick byrne of all people who as we know is the overstock dot com. Ceo dated maria batna for awhile dated a in quotes here and during a premiere of the film in arizona. There were live appearances by byrne who also supports the fraud. It in arizona and his friends with doug the guy who runs the cyber ninjas the skies dip anyway burn was there at the film premiere in arizona and a local cunanan conspirists conspiracy called baby. Bbq who claimed to be receiving messages from his future self was also there they were joined by the film's director. If you can time travel why wouldn't you you know what not gonna get into it not going to get into it baby q. but anyway the film's director was there who had previously made an expose contending that the real perpetrators of nine eleven were aliens. So this is this. Is the group that we're talking about. And if you saw the cnn interview with mike lindell the my pillow guy a cup like a couple of days ago you kind of get an idea of what it's like to even try to speak to these conspiracy theorists the film the deep rig quotes doug logan a lot and again. That's a ceo cyber ninjas. We know the story of the fraud. And jane mayer goes into this depth from beginning to end. That's why i really want you to read this new yorker piece by her but we know the crux we know. The crux of the story is that although the arizona audit may appear to be the product of local extremists. It has been fed by sophisticated. Well-funded national organizations whose boards of directors include some of the country's wealthiest and highest profile conservatives. Dark money organizations she says sustained by undisclosed donors have relentlessly promoted. The myth that american elections are rife with fraud. And according to leak records of their internal deliberations that they have drafted supported and in some cases taking credit for state laws that make it harder to vote. We saw that video. We've seen these. We've heard about this public. Reporting quote. Senator sheldon whitehouse democrat from rhode island. Who has tracked the flow of dark money in american politics told me this is jane mayer speaking that flotilla of front groups once focused on advancing such conservative causes is capturing the courts and opposing abortion. Have now more or less shifted to work on the voter suppression thing. So these groups have have cast. Their campaigns is high minded attempts to maintain election integrity but the white house sheldon whitehouse. Believe they are in fact tampering with the guardrails of democracy. And they are one of the movement's leader heritage foundation. Yep the prominent conservative think tank in dc. it has been working with the american legislative. Executive council also known as alec a. l. e. c. a. corporate funded nonprofit. It generates model laws for state. Legislators on ways to impose voting restrictions voter suppression laws among those deep into fight. Is leonard leo. We know him in. Love is the chairman of the federalist society. I should say know him and hate him. That's the legal a legal organization known for its decades-long campaign to pack the courts with conservative judges. And they did it. Pretty successfully and february twenty twenty the judicial education project a group tied to leonard. Leo quietly rebranded itself as the honest elections project which subsequently filed briefs at the supreme court and in numerous states opposing mail in ballots and other reforms that make it easier for people. Vote another newcomer to the cause. Is the election integrity project. California and a group called freedomworks member. Freedom fest freedomworks which wants concentrated on opposing. Government regulation is now demanding expanded government regulation of voters with a project called national election protection initiative these disparate nonprofits. Jane says have one thing in common. They all have received funding from the lynde and harry bradley foundation based in milwaukee the private tax exempt organization has become an extraordinary force in persuading mainstream republicans to support radical challenges to election rolls. A tactic once relegated to the far-right with an endowment of some eight hundred and fifty million dollars the foundation funds and network of groups that have been stoking fear about election fraud in some cases for years public records show that since two thousand twelve. The foundation has spent some eighteen million dollars supporting eleven conservative groups involved in election issues. It might seem improbable. She goes on to say that a low profile family foundation. Wisconsin has assumed a central role in current struggles over american democracy but the modern conservative movement has depended on leveraging the fortunes of wealthy reactionaries in nineteen. Oh three linda bradley. A highschool dropout in milwaukee founded what would become the allen bradley company. He was soon joined by his brother. Harry and they got rich selling electronic instruments such as rio. Stats harry a john. Society founding member started a small family foundation that initially devoted much of its giving to needy employees and civic causes a milwaukee in nineteen eighty five. After the brother's death their heirs sold the company to the defense contractor rockwell international for one point six five billion dollars generating an enormous windfall for the foundation. The bradley foundation remains small in comparison with such liberal behemoth the ford foundation but it has become singularly preoccupied with wielding national political influence. It is funded conservative projects ranging from school choice initiatives to the controversial scholarship. Charles murray the co author of the book the bell curve which argues that blacks are less likely than whites to join the cognitive elite. And at least as far back as two thousand twelve it is fun. Groups challenging voting rights in the name of fighting voter fraud that doesn't exist. She says what explains then the hardening conviction among republicans that the twenty twenty race was michael pod hoarser senior adviser to the president of the afl cio which invested deeply in expanding democratic turnout in twenty twenty suggests the two parties now have irreconcilable beliefs about whose votes or legitimate quote. What blue state. People don't understand about why the big lie works is. It doesn't actually require proof of fraud. What animates it is the belief that bind one because votes were cast by some people in this country who others think are not real americans. This anti-democratic belief has been bolstered by a constellation of established institutions on the right quote white evangelical churches legislators media companies nonprofits and now paramilitary groups trump one white america by eight points. He won non urban areas by over twenty points. He is the democratically elected president of white america. It's almost like he represents a nation within a nation. Such a interesting in key point astute observation so please take some time to read this article. Familiarize yourself with folks like Clear mitchell george. F will robert. George just read the read up on this. This is scary stuff. I'm glad that sheldon whitehouse is on top of it in other news. California republican congressman devin. Nunez i wish jordan was here to read this news. Nunez is suing. Nbc universal media. Alleging that msnbc's show host. Rachel maddow defamed him with on air suggestions he'd conspired with the russian agent to rig the two thousand sixteen presidential election for donald trump devon. When are you going to learn. The truth cannot be considered defamation. I'll say it right now. Nunez the ranking member of the house intelligence committee still says motto is repeatedly targeted him with defamatory statements that accused him of obstruction of justice. Treason nunez said madel has also called for him to lose his committee post and be stripped of his security clearances. I do that too. Nunez has been busy over the last few years suing media and critics and losing by the way that he thinks unfairly throw shade at him. In addition to shoot suits against cnn. The washington post esquire and mcclatchy which owns the largest newspaper in his home district. Nunez sued twitter over anonymous accounts that mock him under the handles devon nunez's cow endeavor nunez's mom as we know nunez specifically complained about the statements made during her march eighteenth cable. Tv show and repeated on youtube twitter and her blog. She didn't repeat them. They were just cast played the repeats he refused he. He refused to give the fbi a package. He'd received from suspected. Russian agent according to the complaint filed by the congressman tuesday. But that happened instead. Nunez claims msnbc amato new prior to the broadcast at newness had told other reporters he voluntarily gave the fbi package. The suspected agent sent to him through the congressional committee. He said the fact that motto didn't ask him for a comment before publishing the false statements as proof of actual malice like he would come on the rachel maddow. Show fuck off quote. Msnbc and motto harbor and institutional hostility hatred extreme bias spite and ill will towards plaintiff due to plaintiffs emergence as the most prominent skeptic in the congress of maddow's marquee news narrative from two thousand seventeen to twenty one thousand nine the trump campaign colluded with the russians to hack the two thousand sixteen presidential election. They did nunez asking for a jury to determine unspecified damages for insult pain. Embarrassment humiliation mental suffering an injury to his reputation noon as you do not need another person for all that and we have an update on the two year long plus battle between trump and ritchie. Neil the house ways and means committee over his taxes so This week I think this happened since the last time. More she wrote came out the office of legal counsel at department of justice. Garland's office illegal council. I know doesn't belong to him. It belongs to the people. But you know what i mean. This particular department of justice issued a memo saying the treasury department has to handle trump taxes to the house ways and means committee. We we read the law. It says you shall hand over the taxes so you shall hand over the taxes. Were no longer fighting. This in court on behalf of trump like the last department of justice was right and so that that was news and then we heard inklings than trump was gonna fight. He had until wednesday to file and he did ronald fischetti. Trump's lawyers said in a statement. There's no evidence of any wrongdoing here. Nobody accused him of wrongdoing. The whole premise besides handing over these behind handing over taxes is so that ritchie neil in the house ways and means committee can review the effectiveness of the automatic presidential tax audit program. Right that's it. They aren't going to release them to the public. They've told the courts they won't aren't going after crimes but trump slayer. There's no evidence wrongdoing here will me thinks thou doth protest too much. I object to the release of all the returns not only on behalf of my client but may have all future holders of the office of the president united states. Not trump is the only one of the only presence in the last fifty years to not release his returns. Other candidates will presumably follow the precedent set by those with nothing to hide. Right fischetti also called the opinion from the department of justice absolutely ridiculous. The opinion of the law that says the shall furnish the taxes. They didn't even need a legislative reason but regina gave him one. We're going to fight this tooth and nail okay. Best of luck. They're going to lose. Trump filed in court tuesday. The requests are tailored to and in practical operation will affect only president trump. The request doubt that is first of all that's untrue. Let's just break this down. So this is what this is what they're filing. The request are tailored to an impractical. Operation will affect only president trump. Not true they are assessing the effectiveness of the presidential tax audit program based on what they find in trump's taxes and what made it through that audit program and if there were any federal crimes committed the the that will impact every single a future presidential tax audit and presidential tax audit program. So it's not only president trump to go on the requests single out president trump because he's a republican and a political opponent. No that isn't the case again. They're not single. Singling trump out quote. They were made to retaliate against the president Because it was policy. Positions political believes is protected speech including the positions. He took during twenty sixteen in twenty twenty campaigns no retaliation this is a determining and studying the effectiveness of a program it would be hard to assess the presidential tax audit program without reviewing the president's taxes. Trump's lawyers disagree with richie neal's reasons saying that's not why he wants taxes. He wants them for political purposes without providing any evidence to saying it thing. Is this request filed with trevor. You we you and i. We've talked about trevor mcfadden. He's a trump appointee. But we've always got the appellate court and on bank. I don't know how surpreme court will rule but the laws pretty clear next up from ryan barbara insider. He writes an article called trump. world is being tormented by this tiny legal office that no one's ever heard of unquote first of all. I'd like to congratulate all of you. Who are listening to this. Who are not only familiar with this tiny legal office and know what it's called though you know ryan. Barbara's no one's ever heard of it. You have not only have you heard of it but you can probably tell us who runs it or at least who did up until recently and what that person used to do. The tiny legal offices called the fair unit and the department of justice foreign agents registration act. I'll give you a moment to yell into the universe who runs that office and where they came from if you yelled brendan van. Grech from muller's team congratulations and lulls to. Who who whoever may have heard you scream out. That name for no reason but van grant went bye. Bye listen let me quote from this article. When brandon van left the justice department in january stepping down from atop role policing four influence his government colleagues sent him off with a curious going away. Present a pink cat pinata before becoming a gag gift. The panetta sat in the office is a mascot of sorts for the justice department unit tasked with enforcing a decades-old federal law requiring the disclosure of foreign lobbying. It was a tongue in cheek. Tone them a nod to what the unit saw as the unfair notion that it took a lax approach to enforcing faira until the special counsel robert mueller's team returned the pre world war two law to prominence with high profile prosecutions of paul manafort and other mega acolytes since parting ways with paper. Mouche party prop. The ferry unit has only continued to shed its reputation as a feeble and flimsy justice department backwater more. Broadly the justice department has in recent months escalated. Its enforcement efforts. Most notably with investigations and prosecutions of prominent trump world figures suspected of monitoring their access to trump administration to the trump administration by working illegally for foreign governments and other overseas powers quote the justice department and farah unit. Haven't skipped a beat in the last six months if anything. They've continued the historic ramp up affair enforcement. That's van graph speaking again. Who served in mueller special counsel office before becoming the fair unit chief in two thousand nineteen jennifer galley a federal prosecutor with experience in espionage replaced. Van back in january as the chief of the fair unit jennifer van back now a partner at the law firm morrison and foerster told insider that the justice department approach to foreign influence head featured a little bit of everything quote. There are prominent criminal cases. Moving forward significant criminal cases being charged an unprecedented resources and personnel being dedicated to it. Yes from all directions. Fair is being enforced like never before. Yes the justice department. Scrutiny of foreign influence has bedevilled trump associates in the face of criminal prosecution. They've admitted to lobbying for foreign interests. Without disclosing their activities as federal law requires and that criminal investigations. Brad says have captivated the nation in april federal agents raided the manhattan home. Rudy giuliani escalating. An investigation that is focused in part on whether the former new york city mayor and trump lawyer illegally lobby the trump administration on behalf of ukrainian interests. Oh and probably venezuelan to oh and hawk bank issues. Giuliani recently called the investigation. Wallis said that he was more than willing to go jail if they wanna put me in jail good and if they do they're going to suffer the consequences in heaven. Yeah no that's not how having works in july. Prosecutors accused tom barrack chairman of trump's inaugural committee of secretly acting as agent of the uae. Then they talk about brady. They talk about flynn. They didn't mention gregory craig. The one democrat who was charged but then those charges got thrown out. They didn't mention bijon kion but of note. They mentioned why faira came about in the first place quote in the decades before the russian investigation. The justice department had brought only about a half a dozen pharaoh prosecutions which prompted the department's inspector general to criticize the enforcement record in two thousand sixteen report. Then came the mueller investigation which found significant foreign interference in the two thousand sixteen election. Faira an eighty year old statute originally enacted to combat nazi propaganda suddenly transformed from a wet noodle to a bull whip. Manafort plead guilty to fair related charges tied to his unregister. Lobbying for the russia backed government of ukraine only to be later pardoned by trump in the waning weeks of his presidency as promised the justice department and stopped their pursuit criminal prosecutions and threatening civil lawsuits. That forced foreign agents operating in the us to register and disclose activities in south florida. Federal court justice department successfully sued to force our in broadcasting to register as a foreign agent in connection with its airing of the radio channels sputnik whose parent company is owned and operated by the russian government. Remember them meanwhile new federal registrations have been pouring in between the fiscal year that ended in september two thousand sixteen september twenty nineteen new registrations of more than doubled jumping from seventy two hundred fifty. The ferry unit now includes five fulltime lawyers. That's an increase from three. From twenty eighteen. The twelfth person unit also includes a detailee analysts and support staff in may the wall street journal reporter. The justice department was preparing for litigation against the casino. Mogul steve wynn a major republican party donor donor to compel him to register as a foreign agent in connection with the two thousand seventeen effort to persuade. Us officials to send go away a chinese businessman living in new york back to china. When way has been accused of several crimes including sexual assault and bribery chinese authorities consider him a fugitive when himself has faced accusations of sexual misconduct which he denies wins. Defense lawyer reid. Weingarten did not respond to a request for comment. Weingarten told the journal. In may steve wynn never served as a lobbyist agent. Anything for china he was merely oil messenger of information he received from our government Now get this regarding the rudy rate this past april. And you know what we might as. Well call this sabotage. Sonoran policy group reported expenditures related to a cocktail party. Three years earlier in two thousand eighteen as part of a million dollar campaign to improve relations between the trump administration and then congolese president joseph kabila on that july evening in two thousand. Eighteen rudy giuliani posed for photographs on top on the top floor of the hay adams hotel overlooking the white house the reception featured remarks by the democratic republic of congo special envoy to the united states giuliani's presence conferred sense of closeness to the white house. It also fueled questions about giuliani's foreign entanglements at a time when he was serving as a personal or for trump in the mueller probe when asked about his appearance giuliani gave a variety of explanations. He told the new york times He want to say hello to people and impressive woman by taking her to the top of the hay adams to see a washington party with a great view. Giuliani may have been laying on the charm that night but his appearance has had been arranged in advance by the firm of of robert strick a big-spending lobbyists who bonded with the former new york city mayor over a share taste for scotch and cuban cigars in march sonoran policy group disclosed. It's been a combined fifty thousand dollars on event. Consulting talent appearances in connection with the two thousand eighteen reception. Giuliani attended in washington soon and made the fifty thousand dollar payment in two installments to frontline strategies and media a public affairs firm run by eric. Beach california political consultant and close associated. Guiliani beach worked on giuliani's two thousand eight presidential campaign and helped oversee the pro-trump great america political action committee in two thousand sixteen guiliani appeared in some of the pacts commercials and later signed on as an advisor to a nonprofit linked to beach longtime republican. Strategist ed rollins. Sonoran march disclosure to amend previous filing kind. Do that a lot. That did not include a fifty thousand dollars in payments among other costs to the two thousand eighteen reception in the march filings and orange said it had previously overlooked these funds due to an unintentional clerical clerical error we just we miss fifty thousand you know i mean we can't be held responsible for every single penny. We spend on specific foreign things. Beach did not respond. For repeated requests for comment and giuliani couldn't be reached. Strict declined to comment as well a month after the sooner or Things they submitted their amended filing the fbi raided giuliani's home office so when we're all asking if there was new evidence that allowed this department of justice to raid rudy. When the last one wouldn't maybe that's it we'll look for that in the indictments member. Sonoran remember that name before we get to the fantasy indictment league. I wanna share twitter thread with you and then have a discussion with ellie hoenig about where we stand with the department of justice. First of all let me pull up this thread real quick because i penned a super space beans thread recently and You know. I'm getting a lot of pushback which i which i kind of expected because it's no one can see sort of any public hint or clue that that the trump conspiracy to overthrow. The government is being investigated. And that's extremely frustrating. To a lot of people which i which i totally get and completely understand so you know i want to go into this threat by saying you know. I'm i'm probably being overly optimistic about this but here my super space beans. I said. I have reason me personally to believe. The department of justice is investigating trump and his allies for attempting to overthrow the government. Here are the clues. The doj has made a series of document releases to congress in the past. Week i department of justice released contemporaneous notes of a phone call between trump and the former acting. Attorney general rosen in which trump pushes the doj to announce. The election was corrupt. Just say it was corrupt and me and the republicans in congress will take it from there. That's what he said. The department of justice released knows despite the fact documents like that are usually covered by executive privilege during that call which took place on december twenty seventh trump insinuated. He could replace. Rosen with jeffrey clark. If he didn't comply in addition to the call notes. Doj released e mails in a draft letter written by geoffrey clark the day after that phone call saying the department of justice was investigating election irregularities and that georgia should send their own. You know you need to has kala meeting of the georgia legislature and send your own trump delegates to washington and jeffrey clark was looking for donahue in rosen to sign off on this letter. They did not but the doj released that information on top of that. The department of justice sent letters to rosen donahue another former trump doj officials saying we're not invoking executive privilege. You're free to testify about trump's election shit all you want i'm paraphrasing. Then we have the department of justice mo brooks decision in which they asserted that his speech at the ellipse was not within the scope of his duties congressman and they would not represent him in the lawsuit filed against him by eric swallow. The doj went on to say that if the allegations in the swale we'll lawsuit or true instigating attack on the capital is not within the scope of brooks or any federal employees. Job that is a shot across the bow. a signal to trump to say don't even apply for certification. because you're not covered next prosecutors. In the department of justice are reaching plea agreements with insurrectionists in which they admit to obstructing obstructing an official proceeding which is the official presenting verification of of the electoral. College vote that establishes that those sent to the capital admit to obstructing the preceding which sets trump instigating others to break the law and not just any law a law which if broken could be seen as an attempt to overthrow the government by the person or persons that directed it. Joyce vans points out other calls showing a pattern january second call to georgia asking for his eleven thousand seven hundred and eighty votes on january. Fourth tried to call election officials in arizona. Tw- two times. But they let it go to voicemail. They didn't wanna talk to him. After they heard the ravensburger debacle and then again on january fourth a us attorney in georgia resigned after trump tried to get him to investigate imaginary voter fraud. We'll all this leads me to one conclusion. I believe garland is going to connect the big lie election. Interference end the insurrection into one. Big fat multi count indictment for conspiracy. That's what i think. Either a client conspiracy to defraud the united states seditious conspiracy criminal civil rights violation for trying to deprive americans their votes obstruction of official proceeding. Instigating the attack on the capital or all of the above. And since i penned this tweet. Many legal experts steve vladeck. Joyce fans bar mcquaid gentile. They've all come out with op. Ed saying here or the pathways for the department of justice to investigate this this conspiracy. Now again i have no inside source on this. I am drawing conclusions. Based on the actions the department of justice with regards to their recent document releases and their decisions on certification for brooks at any federal employees their refusal to invoke privilege executive privilege the indictments of the insurrectionist garlic garland's public remarks. Right saying i'm going to go investigate the whole thing. Of course we need testimony. From clark rosen. Donahue the us attorney that resigned in any other former current department of justice officials that witnessed trump's attempt to overturn the election. Overthrow the government. And then i say if the doj is not investigating this the alternative. Here's the doj's just pushing it off on congress and local and state governments. That seems antithetical to garland's remarks before taking office but must be considered as a way less awesome alternative. I say so that. That's that's what i wrote. There and i concede the end. He could he could just be blown off handed enough to congress but we haven't seen any public reporting that an investigation is having and that's what i want to talk to l. e. hoenig about so today i'm joined by l. e. hoenig who has written we were just. I was just earlier today a. Recording episode four of the book review of hatchet man. Which is how bill barbara. The prosecutors coding and corrupted the justice department. And you and. I have been texting a little bit because i put out this massive threat saying the doj is investigating. I just know it. They have to be. They're looking at everything. They're tying the insurrection and with a big lie and et cetera et cetera. And and i know that you have you know you. And i've talked about this that we haven't heard a peep. It's just crickets from the department of justice. And there's no proof and you know. I say that in in my in my thread like i have no proof. This is just a feeling. I have to kind of default to your expertise here you know. Why the silence. I mean can they possibly even be investigating and keeping this quiet so yeah. It's a tough situation. There are things we agree on and things. We disagree what we definitely agree on is. They should be taking right. It is it is making my brain explode that it appears they're not so we agree on that I also will say this. It's possible it's possible that they're taking a serious criminal luck at the president for january six or election interference or maybe other things and they have it very tightly under wraps it. Maybe they have an elite force of ten people and they're all sorts of secrecy and all of that and not only nobody leaking but the thing is people say well. How would we know about it. Because i've said before there's been no public indication people said well. What might those be one is leaks and reporting which by the way is very very good. I mean when was the last time there was a major indictment drop major arrests that we had no idea was coming. It happens but not often but also even without leaks or anything like that. There's plenty of ways to tell when subpoenas start to go out people get subpoenas or free to say hey. I got a subpoena. When witnesses are spoken with people are free to say often do. Oh the fbi spoke with me When warren's executed so there's a million ways we would've learned about it and it's hard for me to believe that there is a real fulsome investigation of donald trump going on. We've seen zero indications now in your thread you try to draw some inferences but i. I don't agree with them. Because the if i can generalize the primary thrust of your threat is will look. Doj is now loosening its grip on a lot of these documents and witnesses and sending them over to congress to me. That's the opposite of what you would do. If you were seriously criminally investigated you'd want to guard this. You don't want your witnesses out testifying in congress and public documents out there so it to me what it signals is ner garland's offering which is hey look this stuff's political it has to do with the president. I'm doing my job. I'm letting congress get the information it needs and that's worth something but he's doing because it'll soften to sort of cynically but softened the effect of him doing nothing criminally. so that's that's my overall. Take he. i don't think that that's how people will receive it. I would receive it. Yeah and at the end of the threat. I say look this might just be mayor garland handing this off to congress right right and that's why i agree with which i hope is not the case because you can't. I don't think you can separate the insurrection. And the conspiracy charges with the proud boys. three percenters Et cetera oath keepers. I don't think you can separate that. From the instigation of the attack on the capital and the big. I don't think you can. You can't legally separate those things. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I mean you can but you shouldn't you know like you said you and i agree. They should do if i can say. Congress can't really do anything that's a little a little. Maybe glib i mean it's important that we learn there's transparency through congress and a lot of the stuff we're learning important stuff is coming from the committees the congressional committees. But they're not finucane right. We know that even if they should by the way i can legally kid but of course. That's not going to happen but can't charge. They can't you know. I mean the best they can do. I guess if you want real consequences is to refer for criminal prosecution or does he asian but guess we're that goes right back up until avenue. Doj so yeah And i'm not sure where that leads. Yeah yeah and there should be no reason that the attorney general want that political taint on it before he right looks into it but you know in in my head. It's like maybe he's he's been working with members of congress to say you can have this piece of evidence and you can have this piece of evidence you can interview these people behind closed doors. You can't interview these people. You know what i think will get maybe a better sense of it. You know like you said. It's been crickets and we should have heard something. I don't know that that's necessarily the case. You know better than me. But you know maybe like you said super elite small group of of tight-lipped lawyers. But you know. I and i know benny thompson who said we have to get the attorney general to make sure we're not stepping on each other's toes. It's just feel like there's just all sorts of clues out there that say that that he's doing this that in his rhetoric. Eric garland's rhetoric when he took this position You know it would be a a a gigantic letdown. Not just personally but of justice of equal justice under law. If he does not do this. And the reason. I i immediately thought of all this is because i'm reading the book hatchet man your book man. Everybody needs to get this book and talk about the derelict. Dereliction of duty with with billion by bill bar not looking into the ukraine matter where there was plenty of criminal pregnant open investigation and just keep stay in and we need to change that concept and and karl talked a big and so i just have to hope he's doing it. We'll find out soon enough. Yeah i agree with you on the the the delta for lasts for lack of a better way to put it the delta between the rhetoric and the action. And it's interesting that you draw the comparison to bill bar ukraine. I mean the reason. I posited the book. I think it's obvious. Bill bar didn't even open an investigation because he didn't wanna see what was in there. He's protecting by. This is sort of the opposite. Risen i just think garland. I guess maybe doesn't wanna see what's in there. He doesn't want to open this box of demons right because he knows i mean look miracle orland seems to want wanna keep his low profile for himself and doj as possible and at times. Although he's he's coming out of this a little bit but at times it seems like mira carlin's decision-making process is will this action be perceived as shot against what billboard did and against donald trump if so do opposite and like. I said he's coming out of that bit but does he really have the appetite. The aggressiveness to go after donald trump. I have not seen a single indicator that he is. He better be mad. Talk now americans spring. He doesn't want exactly. Read my thread justice department hurric-. Well thanks so much. Everybody pickup hatchet. Man i appreciate your time today. I know you're super busy with all the news. That's coming out. So i thank you for taking the time today. E. hoenig always a pleasure. Thanks j. all right everybody. Welcome back it's time for the fantasy indictment league kind of you. Honey dick can. It's gonna be okay. Just calm down. And i think my picks are staying the same ingersoll angles gates. I've a tough one calamar a plea agreement. Yeah yeah. that's what i'm going with. That's what i'm sticking with going to stick with. It must with another week. Those gates indictments released. A charging decision has to drive. Remember there's no guarantee of indictments is just charging. Decision is supposed to come either this month or last month and again to reiterate. We don't know if that got pushed back by joel. Greenberg pushing his sentencing hearing back. We don't know if he's still got more to tell them about mac aids or not or if he's if the matt gaetz thing is wrapped up or maybe there's more people involved. We don't know there aren't telling us many anyway. Thanks so much for listening everybody until next week. Please take care of yourselves. Take care of each other. Take care of the planet and take care of your mental health. I've been elson gill. And this is muller she wrote moshe wrote is written and produced by alison gill and partnership with msw media. Sound design and engineering or molly hockey. Jesse egan is our copywriter and art and web designer by joel reader. At moxie design studios militia road is a proud member of msw media. A group of creator owned podcast focused on news justice in politics for more information visit. Msw nadya dot com.

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The Larry Elder Show 07-20-21 Hr 2 TUESDAYa

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The Larry Elder Show 07-20-21 Hr 2 TUESDAYa

"Is podcast is a production of the salem podcast network for more podcast like this from courageous voices of conservative reason visit salem. Podcast network dot com. Call jacks carl jackson. All jack jackson. Carl jackson was born and raised in los angeles california call jackson. His journey began at the age of eleven. He was introduced the hard work faith and family values however the struggling teen he wandered down the path of least resistance fighting himself jailed. Twice with a child he had to fight to raise by the grace of god. He attended an evangelical church and found that there was a better way. Jackson is my hero. He discovered that. Despite america's flaws guy used our founding fathers to create our constitution. It's divine an exceptional. Nature is undeniable. No fake stuff. That carl jackson while the safe from south central as saving california. Let's carl free. Thinker from florida is in kazakhstan. Is the reason that i was born. Stole larryelder joe with special guest. Carl jackson who cloud all right. Welcome back to the larry elder show. We're coming to you. Live from the relief factor dot com studio. The number call triple eight nine seven one seven two four three. Here's some poetic justice. You so basically ben and jerry's ice cream were just fail and it and they capitulated to the left. They failed to the the bcs movement boycott divest sanction israel movement. And now they're paying the price hat tip forgotten man so ben and jerry's blasted over their latest announcement about its products and occupied palestinian territory. Of but now it looks like new. York supermarkets are pulling ben and jerry's over israel boycott. I'm sorry this is poetic justice. Two people can play this game. Everything is so. it's absolutely it's just nuts. What's going on all of these companies. Just acquiescing to these left wing. Radicals that sit in their basements and all they can do is think about how to destroy other people how to hate on other people and we go ahead and You know these companies like ben and jerry fall for this nonsense if they capitulate if they don't say strong that's up to you but we don't have to buy your products good. I'm glad i'm sorry. I'm just this is we're just going cuckoo for cocoa puffs right now in america again just real quickly. I just wanna touch before. I go back to the lines. I just wanna touch again. I just want to reiterate this. Julie kelley story. I don't know if it bothers you as as much as it bothers me. Maybe maybe it is. Because i've gone to jail but i take this seriously americans this guy. I don't pretend like he's a democrat. This guy paul hodgkin's thirty eight years old. All he did was go to washington dc. He got caught up in the hype he didn't do anything bad except walk into the capitol building. We got video. Plenty of people were ushered in by a police on the scene as well. He didn't get involved in a crime he didn't get involved in any type of chaos. He didn't damage any property. He walked through the senate chamber and took a selfie with trump flag. And now he's a felon. He can't vote he can't own a gun he's gonna lose his job. He's going to lose his house for going to washington. Dc wasn't trying to stop election and then one of the things that these people are forced to say basically is he had to say joseph r biden is rightfully and now. He didn't have to say this. But if you're trying to you want leniency leniency. Before all of these left wing radicals that are on the bench in washington. Dc so judge mosque. This obama appointee so joseph. R biden is rightfully respectfully the president of the united states We're gonna talk about some election. Integrity matters but you see what they've done you see what the left will do with your rights. He see what they've done. We're your bill of rights violated during the lockdown. I'm not even sure people read the bill of rights anymore. I do i do. Here's here's the funny thing and i. Sometimes i get on blacks about this. I don't understand. The bill of rights is so amazing. I ten amendments in the constitution. So amazing those are outlined. Obviously you read the bible. You read scripture. And i believe that god reveals a lot of things to you in scripture but the bill of rights outlined in our constitution rights that are deigned by god. I look at those rights at look at the freedom of speech. Even the the the free don't practice religion as as we please the freedom to assemble and the it all of the rights that were given all of the rights that were given rights that are attained by god and people. Just vote 'em away. Should the government have power. Should the government have the power to determine which jobs are essential. And which jobs aren't if. Mary has a job as a waitress. When these lockdowns occurred if so her job is essential but the person are is non essential but the person she's voting for the person she's putting empower the person she's lending her power to that person. His that person's job is essential. So this young lady may have a baby to take care of them who knows but her job. This is what we let these people get away with the caller on the a previous hour. I'm not anti mass. I actually participated in a lawsuit. That suit the the mayor of orlando against this. Because it's listen. If you wanna wear a mask wear a mask. But when i can go to the cdc when i can go to even the world health organization and they say that massacre ineffective who am i to believe when i cut contracting covert by someone who was wearing a mask who was socially distancing when i catch cove it from them. What am i to believe. This is crazy. This is crazy under the auspice of safety. We've just given away our civil liberties and we look at people like this guy. That's being sent up the river. Eight months his life totally destroy because he traveled to washington. dc. He didn't do any damage he didn't commit any crime except he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and he happens electron. So this judge this disgusting. Despicable punk of a judge has decided to ruin his life. That's the america that we're in so if you want to wear a mask where mass by all means if you believe they work. I'm totally fine with that. What i'm not fine with is in a free country. You telling me what. I have to put on to my body. That's what i'm not okay with. Stay away from me. Clear the six feet. Wash your hands. Keep your hands off of your face your face do whatever you want. But don't tell me what to do with my body. This is america. They're using mask. They're not using mass. I don't believe for a second. The left wants a you use mass. Because they believe they work you know why the texas democrats that have covert that were vaccinated and they got it again despite being fully vaccinated when they went on that private jet in that ten can in the air. None of them were wearing masks these people. They're priests to us day and night about wearing masks and how evil and mean and dumb and they weren't wearing masks. Why not why knock. Because they don't believe it it is about control. This isn't hard this is about control. Can you imagine the emotional damage as well. That's being done to kids and people when you can't connect with others you can't see people's face you can't see their expression we become robots. That's what they want us to be. Robots just follow them like. I said this guy had to had to bite is the president. He's a duly elected president. Whatever he had to say in to get some leniency. At least he hoped in the courtroom they're making at they're using those mask to make us robots. So if you wear the masks because you're concerned about health great. I'm all for it but when i understand why they're really imposing these mask mandates now i understand the rank and file the everyday democrat. They really believe this stuff. They really but i get it. That's fine. i'm okay with that. Our respect them if they want to wear masks. But this is america doggone it and don't tell me that i can't be free my country. That's what i am sick and tired of. I can't take this. i'm sorry. I'm not trying to be the angry black man but you guys give me there. We'll be back with your calls in a few. This is carl jackson. Infra larry elder free speech. Live here on. The larry elder show. And of course i want you to know about relief. Factor the one hundred percent. Drug-free supplement that tens of thousands are now taking every day. Obviously i'm taking it every day. 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Larry okay welcome back to the larry elder show. I am your special guest host filling in for larry elder. I'm going to go to the cause. But before i do to william i just want you to know who this judge is and who the left is all he is. He's representative a who the left is today. We're not dealing with your grandpappy. Democrats as i said on march first. Twenty twenty hat tip. William moss ruled that president. Donald trump unlawfully installed cancun cinelli as acting director of the united states citizen citizenship and immigration services and that therefore certain directives related to removal of document of illegal immigrants seeking asylum. He implemented must be set aside. This is the judge who wants to fundamentally change. This is a judge. He's not worried about justice. This is a judge that wants revenge. This is a judge that hates the left. this is a judge that disdains trump. This is a judge that disdains anyone that has voted for trump. Anyone that loves america is this is who you're dealing with these defendants in washington d. c. trump supporters have absolutely no chance and sadly we have these country club republicans. That aren't even willing to stand up and fight for the people that would vote for them. You know what now you you you see what we're dealing with anyway. Let's go to the lines. We've got jan jan. You've got the might. Oh how are you. I'm doing good. How are you john. Thank you for calling you. Got the mike honey. I didn't know you were ten days ago. But i'm a big fan. Now thank you. I appreciate that jan. Okay i wanted to. I wanted to make a correction to something that really said. And she said that These people went in uninvited into the into the chamber I was there on january. Six and I was spending on the port. They The police opened the doors and invited the crowd in and they kept flagging people to come in. No one no one go ahead. no jan. you're you're you're right there. Actually several videos out there that we've seen where there were on different sides of the capital. Some people being offered in a others not being ushered in actually julie kelley has written about Written about that But i really. I really do appreciate this is this is absolutely. This is absolutely crazy. It's not the left. I honestly believe instead of a january. Six commission i really would like to have january fifth commission alike to help january seventh co commission. I like to know how the laughed maybe conspired with the department of justice maybe even capitol police juliet. Kelly writes about that as well. Because i like to know what was going on. I feel like there needs to be a january fifth and seventh investigation. This stuff is shady all the way around. These people have a narrative they they set this narrative so now this is the worst capital tax since the civil war. Joe biden the constant liar in the white house. Pretty amazing all right. We've got richard from santa rosa california. Richard you've got the mike how you doing call. You're doing their job. Great job the thank you coming out. Straightway in the meantime. I'm gonna say. Tell us i'm that nobody's been talking about about the virus that came out of china. I think it was set up. Not trump out there still yapping about it at any time. You didn't trouble. Always go back to a basking dizzy that up and down and he put it throughout the world to not the mock united states but they did it and they did three other times one time in the eleventh century when he did daily. Kill almost all italians and then they went to the french. The french three way was and now this so They're brutal and the the regime is the worst that we could ever mess with it and this guy by the way god probably otherwise when they get into cuba at ninety miles away or hang on l. Listen up this is. This is the wuhan try and china virus. But i encourage you guys maybe to Go go to youtube in Check out the back and forth between foul. She and rand paul because rand. Paul has been putting it on faculty if you will. Because of the gain of function research that the united states was doing in in condoning and doing in conjunction with the rue han lamb and falcon was denying it but he didn't look so well Today or he didn't sounds well. I didn't actually see it. But i heard it so. He didn't sound so well. So i encourage you guys. Go out and look for that all right. We've got alex in brooklyn new york. Alex you've got the mike. Hi carl thanks for taking my call. So here's what. I find so interesting about the argument. The democrats are making their saying that republicans are making it harder for working people to go and vote because they're cutting back voting hours on election day when it's not true. They're adding early voting days. Which many more. Hours to go out and vote on a sunday or a day off. But what i really find so weird about the argument is that conservative. Republicans are the ones that believe in the dignity of working. So if they're gonna make it harder for working people to work. I would think they're more. Republican workers out there than democrats because we believe in the dignity of going out to work. So why would republicans hurt hurt themselves this way and make it harder for republicans to vote for republican candidates. I i. I don't believe that they're making it harder to vote. I mean i. I appreciate the call i just i. I don't believe that. Here's one thing. That republicans republicans do when they like their when they like their candidates And when i believe. I honestly i believe they're going to show up in masses in twenty twenty two. They're gonna find a way to vote. They're going to find a way to. I think some republicans in georgia made a big mistake by not going out by going out to vote in in the In the senatorial election of. But we'll get into the georgia numbers as well this whole election. They hold twenty. Twenty election was shady. We all know it. you don't. i'm sorry i'm sorry. There's no listen those no mechanism to change anything. But i'm sorry. I went to bed at night. Trump had easily won florida. Ohio trump was kicking but in most of the swing states. I go to bed. I fall asleep for just a couple of hours. I wake up and wow so amazing bite in his taking over the swing states he didn't do well anywhere else. He performed worse than hillary virtually everywhere else. But in the swing states where it mattered overnight biden did a wonderful job Something smells fishy. Something is fishy business. Carl jackson and for larry elder and relieffactor dot com studio. We'll be back in a few. 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Carl jackson for the sage on the larry elder show. Are you tired of this nonsense again. Was it worth it. Destroy the economy destroy lives. Was it worth it. Is your job less important than some political bureaucrat. What makes them so special. This is the united states of america. What makes them so special. See we have always hear people say. But i'm not convinced. So many people believe it especially democrats. They work for us. They work for us. You hear it all the time. See i believe it. They work for us. And they're turning against us and we're giving them more power every time you take welfare checks or what. All you're doing is empowering the state but the state can't care about you because the state does not know you. It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing. How far we've slipped in just a matter of one year. it's unbelievable. What do we have to do. What should we do to get to keep foreign pandemics out of our country and prevent another shutdown. What do we need to do. I gotta solution. Why don't we still the. Why do we have open borders. You don't good all right. So here's another reason. We know the democrats are complete frauds on this issue. Besides the fact that they'll high tell it from texas to washington. Dc and attend can where some of them contract covert. The white house lies about it. Apparently vp. Kamala harris had to be tested. But they're not concerned about people that are literally invading literally invading our country. We're on pace to hit what two million whereas that article on the forgotten man. Anyway i have to find it later. We're on pace to hit two million illegal crossings this year crickets absolute crickets. But they're concerned about the wu han virus just being line to so the left is using covert to essentially fundamentally changed her system. That's my issue. That's my issue with mass. That's my issue with lockdowns. I'm not saying i'm anti. I'm not anti i'm not antibac- sir. I'm not any of that stuff. But i'm looking at who's in charge. And how they're abusing their power. And all i'm asking you to do is to think critically you gavin newsom believes this stuff when he shuts down the state destroys jobs destroys the california economy. He's not worried about it because he knows the rest of us around the united states will will pay for it but he destroys lives in california and then he says you know what californians. You're so dumb. I can destroy your lives. I can destroy your businesses. I can put your home foreclosure. Your car is going to be rebuilt so make sure you lock it in your garage. But i'll give you six hundred dollars make you feel good. Patchy on the head and you'll vote for me again. That's who the left is so they use kobe to fundamentally change america our medical supplies. What are we gonna do about that. We're the republicans talking about this. Are we to continue to trust. I communist country with our medical supplies with our very lives. People that are lying about the wu ham virus. There's no evidence. There's no evidence. There is common sense. Unbelievable where the republicans fighting for americans. Where are they see. Here's here's the difference between me and perhaps others see. I expect the left act like the left. But now i know who the left are. They're not just the left. They're freaking communist. Okay okay got it. Where are the republicans. Fighting for american jobs where the republicans saying we need to get manufacturing. We need more manufacturing. And our country to day for joe schmo for the average american for the blue-collar worker where are the republicans. Saying that over. I wanna hear it repeatedly over and over and over again. There's no way we should be relying on a communist country for our very lives are very health are very safety. How nuts are we. This is crazy. This is carl jackson for larry elder. We'll be back in a few. I'll take more your call. Portions of the larry elder show brought to you in part by job creators network. Now carl jackson for the saved on the larry elder show. Okay welcome back to the larry elder show. I'm your guest host. Carl jackson sitting in for the great l. Dursey the number to call triple eight nine seven one seven two four three again. Triple eight nine one. Seven two four three. I'm gonna get into the election integrity issue but I'm just. I'm tired of how the left has been using the lockdowns in order for in order to gain more power. And i want you guys to be able to see what they're doing. I know many of you that listen to the salem radio network a lot of you get it a lot of you get it. Maybe some of you don't but maybe there's some some in the listening audience. Maybe you're listening for the first time. And i just want you to think through this stuff. If the left really believed believed that it was eight threat an existential threat just like they talk about global warming as a next central reading and they and they they they fly these jets and everything else if they believed we wouldn't have open borders. If they believed it you wouldn't saw you wouldn't have seen the texas democrats high talent to washington dc without mask. They don't believe in. This is how they are taking power from us. Let's go to the lines. Real quick before i get to the arizona audit because there's a lot to talk about their. We'll talk about the The the the the georgia election as well We've got dan in hopkins minnesota dan. You've got the mike. Carl you could leave the you could leave the calvary of salem host and do the swing state tour from the mountain tops. The election fraud. Let let me tell you may be the only one other than gorka. That's talking about it. Nobody's talking about it the crying. Shame my friend. we'll listen. I listen. I respect and i love every single one of them. Thanks for the call by the way And i know someone Listen i i look at people. For instance like Like dennis prager that takes up the cause For for covert nineteen in the wuhan virus in the lockdowns and the masking in everything. The left is going to basically do this. Trial run for a police state. And i gotta tell you all of these other issues all of these issues all of these things that we're doing our symptomatic so i do appreciate it. I am going to talk about election fraud. But i never questioned The the other hosts. Here's what i know. I know that they love america. I know that they want republicans win. I know that they want these state legislatures to get this thing right. So dan I do appreciate the call But listen i look at. I don't know there's a anyway. let's Let's go on. I do want to talk about the. Actually let's go to. Let's go back to the lines Let's talk to you. let's talk to shannon in north carolina. Shannon you've got the mike i As far as Now it's good to hear you Ten seven with you before. I did a fine job. Thank you As far as far as The voter all about. That's they say there's nothing can be done even though they realized that the election results them that. And there's no precedent for it. Well created president you know reclaim the presidency anyway. As far as viruses concerned prone of interest. I don't believe that it's what it is. There's been a lot of deaths. And all that. And i believe is real but the flute just kind of went away. They're trying to control believe that right. We've got about thirty seconds. Oh okay and i'm kind of blanking right now. There's so many different things you're calling you're calling about cubans being locked out of asylum. Yeah yeah yeah. That's that's racist as it comes and they say oh just we. We love everyone. You open the borders. We everyone here. But they don't want to compete the cubans because they'll probably vote republican. They know what communism is. Thank you god bless you bless you shannon. I don't. I don't believe that it's i don't believe that it's racism. I believe they're just scared. The cubans will come in and vote republican the people coming across the southern border. They're not as concerned about william. Can you repeat what you told me. that's Okay all right. So i just believe that. These people don't love the cubans love freedom. As a matter of fact where is it man. This is from so cuban protesters Worn americans hat tip forgotten. Man cuba protesters worn americans who take root rivera He was a Bleeping terrorist. Protesters gathered outside the white house on thursday evening to urge bite him to act in support of the protests ongoing in cuba. This week Tobe breitbart news the mainstreaming of cash or regime a regime mass murderer nestle rivera in american undermines the suffering of those he killed in a lot of people. Sadly don't know this. And i mean not to mention this guy said some really racist stuff about blacks and then you got fools like colin kaepernick. That aware t shirts from from this guy. It's just absolutely nuts. It's absolutely insane. But they fear cubans because they believe cubans will vote for freedom because cubans really know what. It's like to live under a dictatorship. It's as simple as that. So the number to call into the program is triple eight. Nine seven one seven two four three. That's triple eight nine seven one seven two four three again. You're listening to the larry elder show. I am your special guest host. Carl jackson filling in for the great elderski. You can follow me on twitter at carl jackson. Show you can follow me on facebook or like me on facebook. Carl jackson radio. You can check out my website. Carl jackson show dot com when we get back from the other side of the break. I'm going to go into this arizona audit and what they're finding as well as what they're finding in the state of georgia. Listen we live in a free country. I want free elections. I want secure elections. No one should have to. We'll be back in a few all right. Welcome back to the larry elder show. This is carl jackson. Sitting in for larry elder coming to you live from the relief dot com studio the number to call in triple eight nine seven one seven two four three. That is triple eight nine. Seven one seven two four three all right props american greatness arizona audit finds a massive irregularities including more than seventy four thousand mellon ballots counted then mailed out another headline props to the federalist georgia's secretary of state explains why he's just now discovering more than ten thousand illegal votes cast in twenty twenty so let's dive into these so more mellon ballots were received then mailed out in the state of arizona. More than seventy four thousand mail. In ballots were received in maricopa county. Arizona then appear to have been mailed out. You heard me right. Let me say that again. More than seventy four thousand mellon ballots were received america. County then appear to have been mailed out this coming from a forensic audit according to the auditors. Seventy four thousand two and forty. Three mail in ballots were counted with no clear record of them. Ever being sent seventy four thousand two hundred forty. Three mail in ballots were counted with no clear record of them ever being sent see. Here's the thing this is. Why defend my colleagues on on on salem. Were it not for the lockdowns. This wouldn't have been possible. It's as simple as that. These lockdowns allowed democrats in my opinion to cheat and to stretch laws and unfortunately we had a bunch of feckless. Republicans and uninformed a republicans bid didn't know their duties out of the power that they had in the state legislatures under the constitution. So this is what we get their own. Ascendant is led by senate president karen fan and she held a hearing on thursday to discuss the preliminary preliminary results of the first phase of the audit that occurred in maricopa county. The state senate her testimony from three witnesses involved in the audit the first witnesses from cyber ninjas. He's the ceo his name is doug logan the second witnesses from arizona audit liaison or he's in arizona. Audit liaison can bennett. And then ben. Cotton is the ceo and founder of site x services so during the hearing the auditors revealed that maricopa county still to this day has not provided many materials needed to complete the audit including routers. The chain of custody documentation and images of the mail in ballot. Why do you think that's occurring the ballots. Provided by maricopa county are logan's information on the balanced provided by maricopa. County should have matched up but they were way off the mark. We're gonna go into detail when it comes to the numbers. Something fishy happened. We have to make sure that it doesn't happen again. I see a caller and we'll get to the caller is our country doom. Not as long as you're they're not as long as you keep fighting. We have no choice. We have no choice but to keep fighting pro jackson for larry. Elder will be back.

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Frontlines Episode 26  The Next Generation of Latino-American Church Planters

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Frontlines Episode 26 The Next Generation of Latino-American Church Planters

"Whoa hey hey exponential. Welcome to frontlines are biweekly podcasts. Video casts where we have conversations about the current issues that are facing pastors and church planters. And really what we wanna do. Every other week is to really get on the ground and talk about some of the most pertinent things that affect you your ministry leadership development multiplication church. Planning all of those things but also we want to talk about the big things that are shaping the way that we think about like leadership development and how we're gonna do mission church planting in the future and so all of that stuff is on the table we get to talk about all of that. every Every other week we have a very special guest that Our co peyton jones. And i we get to interview in really pick their brain and this week. I'm really excited to introduce our our guests. And i would say that for just a little bit later but Our topic for today is man. It's one that is one of the biggest really things. I think that people know that hispanic and latino american church planning leaders have been at the forefront of church planting for the last several decades. We released a research report two years ago. Through the senate institute that really showed us the quantitative data that latino american church planters are actually planting effective evangelistic churches with less amounts of funding compared to the to the mainstream and that brings up a lot of different feelings number one. We celebrate that work. Can we celebrate. What god is doing that but it also leads to a lot of questions about how do we then Getting better situations where we can fully fund and really come underneath those who are effectively reaching the loss through church planting so that is a big part of the What will discuss today. If your church planning organization you're a church. isn't yet thinking about how to raise up into come underneath income beside and underscore the work of a latino americans in ministry in general but specifically in church planting this episode that you really need to pay attention to so. I am really honored to introduce our guest today. I'm gonna introduce david and then we're going to jump into what we do every week in that as we start off with a fun question just to kind of get to know one another a little bit more but our guest. This week is the reverend soon to be. Dr david rosa. Who is the founder and passer crucify formed. Church in hollywood. Closed down there in miami in florida. He is also the founder and president of the real talk mentoring program which provides personal leadership development opportunities for youth and young adults all across miami and broward county area. And so hey brother david man. I'm so thankful to have you peyton. I just really wanna say welcome. And thanks for hopping on here so thanks for being here and were every week we start off with a question just to kind of again allows payton ida banter a little bit but it also allows people to kind of get to know you a little bit more of a personal level. So i'm gonna ask. Peyton i because peyton is between payton. He's the guy you can tell from his shirt right now. He's got Shirt deaf towns. It's our question this is. What kind of music has influenced you the most and what so. I think i have a sense already. I'm kind of numerous to be honest. i think that's why the deaf tones might be my favorite band. Their little bit of everything they kind of took genre and they blew it out and everything else. They'll they'll sing the smiths. they'll take you know sawday. I mean doesn't matter what they do but my very first album. I'll start with my musical journey in like twenty seconds hall and oates rock and soul part one white guys who sang like black guys right. I mean that. Just got in there. Stevie wonder i mean i grew up in seventies any of that kind of stuff. Earth wind fire in that. That stuff is a young guy. I was like what is this right. I was just was what was playing. But as i got older i discovered punk. And i like the old punk ryan. I'm not like one of these green day guys. It's like clash. It's the old stuff the classic stuff and then from there anything that screams hard in loud and passionate alike. Wow did you get into screama when that was the thing. No no definitely. Not but i also like a little bit eleven rockets bow house. All that the post punk stuff is good as well. Wow all right man fits you. But i do understand you bit more now brother david. What about you man to who you are as a person. And we'll talk about your ministry in vocation. Well listen. I love this because we couldn't be any eddie more different in some sense but no for me is going to have to be the rebuilding era of hip hop so basically after the great the biggies The to pogs and the big ellison died proteges would have been jay z's the big pun's jada kisses and the dm maxes And so some call it the golden arrow the rebuilding era. So those are going to be my gosh from the mid nineties early two thousands and then also going to be a real big seltzer guy. And so you know the heck levels and the jerry rivera's find your all-stars in in a weird way really make up like even what we talk about the The urban latin culture which was heavily influenced by the african american community and the puerto rican community of new york city in the early nineties. And so that's that's gonna be mahmoud man. I wanna get into that too. Because i know that. That's that's a personal story. If i had to put my early up bringing together it would be a crossover of gangsta rap. So to pot biggie warren g so before your guys david which is this is an age thing now too. Because i'm older than named gosh. So you got warned. G snoop nwa public in Cross with metallica guns and roses so that that would be my early roots and then Yeah man if you're bringing up to speed to now. I mean these days like i'm i am all about like you know Wayne miles davis chill. Do this is what i write to. Okay this is my phd music. This is how i get things done. So that's my vibe right now so together not only ashman similarities between jazz. The allergy and philosophy b. Be neil so that. That'd be robert glass. eric. Bob doing man. Good stuff gets up dave. Thanks for being on brother man. This is really looking forward to this episode at actually helps peyton i. We're we're launching a new season of coming soon. And so this is a great way to to close the season with you But i we would love it if you can talk to the listeners. Everybody that's on. There's a there's a room filled with people that are listening to us right now Give us a little bit of your background. You ministry in the and specifically how you came to plant crucify him church absolutely. Thank you guys so much for this opportunity to be with. You are counted a great honor. As i mentioned a moment ago. I'm a. I'm a at this point. Guess i would call myself a new year regan. South floridian was born and raised in sunset. Park brooklyn new york predominantly urban. Puerto rican caribbean neighborhood born and raised there and very influenced by the hip hop coach of the early nineties. Then in nineteen ninety-seven My mother she passed from this life to the next. After a short bout with with breast cancer and so my family migrated from brooklyn new york city to south florida. Where we've been at now for over twenty years and so You know we think of south florida and you think of the beautiful beaches and and all of that kind of stuff and all of that is great and we enjoy all of it But there's all obviously in every city a broken side it is beauty and then there's a broken the sun after move into south road. I became acquainted if you would the beauty and the broken this of the south florida streets real quick and so here in south florida. You may have heard of the just the cocaine bec- you might have heard of the cocaine cowboys and carrying on and all of that lives on on the street still to this day. So real early on after moving to south. Florida got acquainted with with cocaine and the whole south florida. A drug scene nephew would got into all sorts of mess as here my early days in and out of juvenile detention centers and failed pregnancies and dropped out of the seventh grade. And all that. All that stuff. And i was headed down down the wrong way fast. But i'm glad that there's a god who runs much faster and there's a much better pursue of me. I am a man. Just run away from him. And so man as i just kind of continued drowning in my own sin and my broken this. My older sister got tired of kinda watching me. Self destruct and and so. My family has a long legacy or heritage in the public hostile tradition and so once. He knew nothing else to do. She knew to call him a name of the lord and she knew to invite me to church and so and so she. She invited me. The church finally got tired of telling her no and hearing her asked me again And so i did. What was expected of me. Pop a couple of bars got real hard and went and sat on the last few of the church At passed out got beer. What the sleep woke up. Maybe five minutes left in the sermon. The preacher was preaching out of first corinthians chapter one my home church past the past the kiki and he begins to close out his sermon. Going back to the text. Where's the wise person to teach of the law. The philosopher this age and then just kind of expounding on how god chooses the foolish things of this world to confound the wisdom of the wise now does that through the foolishness of the preaching of the cross and the way. I shared my story. Every time. As i say this i woke up and when i woke up a really woke up the spirit of god did a work in the on. That day came to faith in christ turn from us seems toward him. An instant came to fe and that church and the gospel. The fridge life was forever changed and so there was anything that i knew when i came to faith is that i love the streets on new a loved everything about it. I loved the drugs. A love. The woman i love the sex parties the money. I love all of that. Wow really like but let me say what happened in my story is i came to love jesus more than i liked all of that but i knew that if i did it do something major that i would just go back to what i knew and so my past the offered me essentially gave me an invitation to spend as much time as possible in the church building and so from the moment they would open the doors to the moment they close the doors. I was allowed just to spend time in the church so out of the seventh grade. Because i got in trouble every time i went to church so i say you know what i can't go to church pastor. I mean. I can't go to school anymore pastor a you know i got i got a drought because i don't want to get into trouble. I don't want to do things on like he thought i was crazy. I think i was halfway. But instead what i did was. I went to the church every day. And i studied the bible pray. The church became a house of refuge for me. It became the place where i learned how to read. It was the place where i develop any leadership capacity that i have today and we. I learned the skills that i use a today and so through that again. Pentecostal church come to faith. Radically get baptized row. Quick and i'm immersed into ministry begin to lead the youth and teach sunday school and even have some occasions to preach. But what i knew right away. Was that the same solution to my life's problems and broken this on needed to get out to as many people like me as possible and so immediately. I felt the call of reproducing spaces similar to the one a better become for me. A place of refuge that led me to starting different outreach ministries etc and. There's a whole bunch of details. But essentially at some point i begin to visit a church called coleridge presbyterian That was founded by the late. Great dr james kennedy to visit there and they meet this. No new year rican south floridian kid would a good story and some experience in ministry. They immediately put the seventh dropout into their internship that led me to take on a position as an interim benevolence coordinator which then got me connected with a one hope international at the put forth the book of hope all throughout the globe to start a ministry for incarcerating high risk youth and that kind of while i was there at coral ridge and this is important part of my story one of the task was assigned was to set up and facility. A group of church planters. That was called renew. South florida led by rick. Hunter's they got together. They talked about church planting and mobilizing people from mission. And i was in charge of making sure. They had hot coffee and bagels through that. I got acquainted with church planting and and then they connect me with spanish river from where i would be sent out in partnership with a fifty camden of. Yeah tiffany camden. Under the leadership of pastor doug logan it was through a hybrid residency that we planted our church and so now on the on easter sunday this weekend will celebrate five years of officially being launched six years on the ground for gloria got to get a neighbor. Yeah right on man. I i think it's so important. You shared that because the the the interconnection in the weaving of your of your own personal story but also what's taking shape. They're in south florida. I think is massive. Because i mean this isn't just your personal story. But this is what god is doing across north america through latinos in think. It's so important for us to understand that. Hey let's talk about the gift of latino american church and from your perspective david What is it about the latino christian tradition. That's shaping the american church right now like some of us we sense it. We feel it. We know it's more than just demographics and statistics. But there's a shaping of the american church in a big part of that is the latino tradition so talk about that for second. Yeah i love the way you say that question. By the way. The gift of the latino american church because i think what happens with that the phrasing of that even is that we acknowledge what so much of our american evangelical churches often miss. And that is that about versity in the body is something that we should Consider and celebrate and not just ignored salary right and i think so special that you've done that. I think the gift of the latino american church is is our identity of embodied by versity. So the latino american again. has an embodied diversity diversity which is seen in our dna in the latino. You have a dna of both being the rest and the oppressor. That's both part of our story one martinez who wrote a book recently. He says it's called the story of the latino protestants a latino president of the united states. He talks about how we can never really put a name to lot. Latinos says whether you call them what you call. Us latinos call hispanics. There's the complexity of imperialism colonialism conquest and racism. That's found in there. Because of our our miss. This i hear right. So latinos are a mixture of all sorts of different ethnicities coming together. So again i think the gift of the latino. American church is embodied diversity that confronts and combat's the separation and segregation that we too often see in the life of the church. The second part of that question in the second part of that question. You asked perspective of latin american american christian tradition and shaping. The american church must see that happening in two specific ways. One way. I see that happening is as the latino american church. Prophetically caused the american church back to comprehensive expressions of christian life. In the latino american church you find a faith that is marked by repentance and faith holiness and joy faith and work and a fully giving of oneself for the sake of von halio. The gospel one of the things that was recently put out in the studies by lifeway in the Pew research forum that you alluded to a minute ago was how much we've done with so little The way that we've expanded our resources in order to do ministry as effectively as possibly without having so much overhead. And i think that that's a byproduct of this comprehensive expression of the faith that we're going to just give everything for the sake of the advancement of of the kingdom of the second way that i think we're shaping. The american church is through. Our contagious ferverent spirituality. In the latino american church there is an aggressive pursuit of god through prayer and fats. Fasting that. I think we've also often miss out on now. I'll be careful to say that. I think that that fervent spirituality is not exclusive to the latin american church. I think you see in the immigrant. Church so often because of the complexities of that we've dealt with and yet i think that that's what i would say. I think the latino american church is shaping. The american church as it prophetically calls her back to a more comprehensive expression of the faith and a more fervor spirituality so would what are some of the struggles of latino americans enjoyable spaces. Yeah now try. I try to be as as quick as possible with this. I think i would say that. The biggest struggles for latino american event. Spacious is the seduction to fully simulate to dominate cultural norms. For the sake of what the dominant coach your measures as success against this duchesne into an almost four assimilation. The reality is that at some point. The system decided to give latinos the ability to identify as white. I wanna be careful. I don't wanna make this just a black or brown and the white issue. But i do want to engage the nuances and the realities of the system. The systemic and structural realities that we're living in and that we minister off through and from so at some point latinos were given the ability to identify as a white. Even though we ain't never been treated as such and many of us latinos. We drank the koolade. And so what happened. Is that while we did that. We traded our distinctiveness and prophetic voice. That comes from our own ethnic story again that ethnic story of having the dna of both the oppressed and the oppressor so we traded on distinctiveness prophetic voice to sit at the american evangelicals. Kids table where we chicken strips while of abomination culture eats rebuy. If you so there was an exchange that was made. And i'd say this that it's no secret at the kids table. You can only speak when spoken to. And you're told what conversations if you would. You can engage in conversations. You have no business in. And so the result of this terrible deal is we've made the dominant culture view of evangelical ism to be one that is not affected by our own. Ethnic story are distinctiveness and our prophetic voice. It's interesting again in wong martinez. His book the story of the latino protestant in the united states. He talks about in the introduction. I think it is. He talks about How the latino views denominational or movements as a secondary issue because of how Because of the story of how from the beginning our expression of spirituality has been marginalized as we've been pushed into a full assimilation. And so it's a day where you see latinos and denominations or mainline denominations. You often find that. Their therefore resources but they engage more with people outside of their denominational tribes who create space for them to more fully be who got created us to be and so again. I think one of the biggest struggles. For latino americans evangelical spaces is the reality that we've won been seduced into assimilating and to that we drank the koolade of assimilation. Which no longer gives us distinctiveness or prophetic voice. Yeah that's that's a powerful thought david David and i wanna point a couple of things out. Make sure people don't misses out if you have questions feel free to drop them in the chat and brooks and get over to us. We'll get as many as possible but you said a couple of things they don't want to highlight. They don't want people to miss a number one the complexity of what the you know americans. It's not just one ethnic group. It's not one ratio. i mean there's misdee- there's malabo's i mean there are. There's a different composition. There are are white hispanics. You know right. I mean there's actual census category for white hispanics and it's very complex even when it comes to national citizenship. Puerto rican right which is going to be a whole lot. Different dynamics from From mexicans and so we have the propensity within our local churches in to paint a broad brush. And that's that's we have to be careful to do that because we can make people invisible in the attempt to kind of aggregate the group. I think that's we can't miss that in especially on the local level where he lied in churches. Essentially you can treat the colombian the same way that you might do the mexican. And that's completely different. And i appreciate you highlighting that because what what is happening is that in. America hispanics are the largest youth population. Right now the population underneath eighteen right now. The largest is hispanics or latino americans Hispanic being the language category latino being the The ethnic were the national origin. And so it's so important for us understand because part of the growth that churches and denominations are seeing amongst evangelicals are actually amongst young latino americans so the fastest growing you know denominator one of the growing denominations that we all know of assemblies of god and they are fast growing because of americans but the dynamic that you talked about. Is there still yet. You know underrepresentation with national leadership. No they just they just brought on Choco passer choco. So he's he's he's bringing a lot of leadership diversity to that but these are the challenges that you're talking about these are the these are the next steps that we need to really be thinking about at the local and the national level's can you help us think about like the think that the mainstream evangelical and i'm not just talking about whites i'm talking about blacks and asians and the non latino do you think that we we are actually taking seriously enough. The arrival of the latino american leader yet or is it just kinda like do we get the weight in the gravity of what's happening right now. What are your thoughts. The simple answer is no. But i wanna i want to be careful to say this again. We have drink the kool aid right and in so doing we did. Trade are distinctiveness and prophetic voice for the sake of crumbs if you would and so that translates into us now not being prioritised for instance in movement spaces or in church planting funding structures etc. It's hard to prioritize somebody that essentially you forgot exist if we assimilate so much that that really we don't have any distinctiveness then it's hard to fund that person you can't fund somebody that you forget exists because we've essentially said hey we're good being where we are and what the voice that we have because we've traded distinctiveness in the same way when we traded this thing. Now there's no need for instance. For latino american consultants we need. We need black ministry consultants right. We need white ministry consultants wealthy ministry consultants and some people from impoverished areas as ministry consultants. But but we don't really need. Latino american ministry consultants because we again. We traded our distinctiveness of prophetic voice for crumbs. And so i wanna make that clear. And then i'd say that people don't respect what they don't recognize like you'll never respect again what you don't recognize and so if we've if we've lost our distinctiveness and become unrecognizable in some ways because we've so fully assimilated then we're never going to get the respect to get the consultation call or to be put on the board because people simply do not respect what they do not recognize so again in terms of the question of the thing that mainstream evangelicalism is taking seriously enough the arrival of latino american leaders again. How can they be forced assimilation. That doesn't allow this thank goodness and they dismissed those who have it assimilated because of this right so on the one hand. You can't because we've been fully assimilated on the other hand if we begin to express ourselves and our latini dot in our in our faith and practices and in our churches then the dynamics of our measurements of success will change You know if we're so excited that we're no longer sound if we're too excited. Then you know. Our faith is one of emotionalism excetera and so because of that. There's this reality. Where oftentimes we're not appreciated a good friend of mine. Rich rivera from south. Bronx says That the reality is that we can't say that evangelical taking seriously a lot of american leadership because there is no clear. Latino americans lead informing or shaping directions or decisions at a large scale in terms of movements. So i think we have a struggle. I don't think we're being taken seriously. And i think there's some serious reasons. Why so. lemme lemme is. Because i'm listening to what you're saying and of course on the white guy in the room right so i'm gonna i'm gonna ask some questions it you're always told there's no stupid question. I'm i'm asking this. I'm with you brother. I'm totally with you. So you know. I'm going to ask some clarifying questions. Not as a challenge but really just for clear understanding. So i agree with you. I think you look around. In evangelical circles it is recent that you've been seeing like you know here. We are talking. Daniel representing asian community. But this is new. In what i like. It's always been white dudes so part of as i'm listening to you. I'm hearing and i'm accepting because you know. This is something. I not latino right on the white dude on part of the majority culture always have been right always always going to be white. But when i went overseas and i was a missionary my role in my job was to assimilate into majority culture as much as possible without holding back like learning the language. Adopting the cultures practice is now. I realized that america is not like were a country of immigrants. So it's a different dynamic. And so what i'm asking is how where's the line for you like. Would you say that. I've got to maintain my distinction. Because i'm a latin passer reaching a community of immigrants in miami as opposed to someone who's in duluth minnesota duluth say that. I don't know how to say i'm in minnesota. I'm in minnesota. And i'm reaching a bunch of people a bunch of white or blue collar workers. Would you then say depending on the context where i'm at on mission. Would it change you know. would you say hey. I'm gonna lose my distinction in that sense colleague. Were paul says it. Become all things all men but because you're at it totally makes sense or are you saying no. I would need to maintain this as part of like a multi-ethnic is a church. Comes together. this part of a nation of immigrants is part has to be represented. Is that what you're saying. I know that's a like three questions and wine. I appreciate that so much brother in the words of One of my coaches and mentors rob rid of redeemer city city. Who translated this from the the the ninja theologian himself. Tim keller. I believe that the gospel doesn't make me robert se les dominican but that instead it makes me more dominican. I would say i believe that. The gospel doesn't make me less a new. You can sell floridian but it makes me a more a more fully a new year regan south floridian and as such. I believe that. My ethnic story contributes to the glory of god in the world because of that regardless of where i'm called to ministry regardless of context it is important that i that i keep and maintain my ethnic distinction so for me i believe that the kingdom of god and the s katan. They're going to be people every nation tribe and tongue And i believe that. That reality showcases. The grace. The beauty and the reconciling work of god now on the earth as christ brings about the culmination of his gospel right and so because of that. Yeah i would say no was an idaho. I was an iowa alabama wherever. It's important that that i that my i was i was doing a one of my crews group yesterday And i had an italian brother with me. And we were talking about holistic ministry excetera and one of the things that he said in light of our teaching light of some of the same conversation. He says man a feel more white now Right and he said that not as a like a hit on his whiteness but instead as he found his place in the story of god and he saw some benefit to fully engaging that And so yeah so there would be a man must become all things to all people that we might reach them but paul never stopped being who he was he was fully who he was. He made adjustments in his communication. He made adjustments and his and his practice so that he would not create hindrances for the gospel work Yeah that that's that's my deal. No that's good man. That's that's actually because the ethnic the ethnic representation is beautiful. And that's part of daniel is hope is to to really kinda amplify that on this show and like give that give that voice right and that it was more Direction like is there an emphasis that would shift. You know whereas like i realized like when you're talking now you're talking to the greater body of evangelism you're saying this voice needs to be heard and i agree with you like when i left my position at nam will replace my role to train the western. Us were like has to be a latin guy. Can't be a white dude over that role like that's just a no brainer and all us. That's a no brainer. Needs to be a spanish speaking latino leader that represents the western the southwest united states. And and i think we're seeing those positive moves but But yeah i just you know. It was more a mishel emphasis rather than an identity. You know what. I'm saying. Because i think your identity as just part of beautiful. That's just beautiful. Who got megyn that you know. You never lose that right. Like i would no matter where i was. I was always going to be this american white dude but But that really helped me understand. I appreciate that at and all that part on just the aspect of it. I would say that in america. It is extremely important. For the latino american to recover and maintain it's his his or her distinctiveness and that the numbers are just growing by leaps and bounds. And so at this point in america we need more latino american leaders period. Whether we're talking about politics no matter where we're talking about in society right now and no matter where we find ourselves. We need more latino leaders everywhere if we are to say that we are truly being intentional in our missing and our for reaching america america now. The biggest minority group in america is the latino Therefore we're gonna be if we're going to strategize. If we're truly committed to a mistrial aji that deals directly with the people here than we have to recover and maintain a lot the american leadership nice just to piggyback on. That are making a great point. I think there's a difference between full on assimilation. Which none of us would say you know is going to be beneficial to the identity piece. Yeah but there is the incarnation in learning. That's the mri logical missino piece where we know segregation can't work we know assimilation. If you lose yourself. Then that's oppression but incarnation is this willingness volunteering of becoming like the other so that you might win them and i think that's a dynamic skill that we all have to learn in you know for the first time in a long time. A lot of whites are having learned that in their own backyard. Travel you know To to experience that you know. And i think that's so important in the flip side of this david. I want to ask you because you lead a multiethnic church in south florida there. I think it's so important that you'd lead a church that can have this conversation. Seamlessly know because we have multi-ethnic churches where this is a very awkward conversation. You know i mean it's it's it's a very advanced conversation for some people but the part of the reason why you can have this as your your intellectual ability to have this as there. But you're also immersed in this because you're south florida and this is just naturally how you all you all talk. You know i'm in. I'm in a part of chicago where you know. My neighborhood is seventy eight percent hispanic and so these conversations just kind of they just happened at the ground level. Help us to think through like the importance of raising a church. Planters future church. Passers that can lead multi-ethnic churches that can have this high level of conversation. Because that's a little bit different than i think. Multiethnic church that's led by a white person and we need more of those here. We need more of those. We need more multiethnic. Church is led by americans and asians but this is a high level conversation that you get to form the theology of a local congregation. Like you're you're you're doing that on the ground level in it's actually going to shape a generation for how they engage the culture around them the importance of that Because i know. I mean in our conversations like you're orthodox evangelical you're not marxist liberal and none of that stuff right your reform your you know so but but this is. This is the conversation you know. Oh the gospels. The conversation obviously. But this is a seamless conversation that you have. It's forming the local theology in. It's impacting the way that you could develop leaders talk about that. Yes so When we talk about movements and we talked about multi ethnic movement i was around when lorettes briley ritz started out the kind movement and although it feels like it feels like so many years ago. But it's just you know five six years ago or whatnot. We started this multi-ethnic movement and We began to see different expressions of ethnic churches pop up and left and the right but for the most part we were just doing. We were doing everything that we had always been doing. Just with different colors in leadership roles right and so what ended up happening with the multi ethnic movement or in a lot of spaces multi-ethnic movement. Is that those churches. They grew oftentimes with a bunch of white people. We love dearly shutout so my white brothers and sisters right so so they grew a bunch but they didn't it really make a dense or grow too much in our local neighborhoods. There were there were coming. But they weren't affecting the coach of our local neighborhoods etc because those ethnic were not true to the areas that they were planted oftentimes and they weren't true to anyone's ethnic identity. I think the worst thing we could have done is start these churches with a bunch of different colors where we stripped everyone of their culture. And that's often what we got in the name of multi-ethnicity and so as i lead a multi-ethnic movement specifically a urban minority led multi-ethnic movement. I think what we're what we're finding what we're going for is to make sure that the people that we put in place and the people that were mobilizing are confident in their distinctiveness that they're confident in their cultural norms and realities and that they can tell the story of god through the lens of that reality who still gonzalez wrote a book entitled son bobby via where he talks about the bible through the lens of the perspective of the latino american. That's what i'm going for. And that's what so many of my the people that i esteem that i'm influenced by so many movement leaders are going for right now is what does it looked like to have a multi-ethnic movement that is led from the margins that is led from people of color that has led by immigrants and that is led by second and third generation a latino americans for the sake of seeing these multi ethnic movements speak to the reality of the people and not strip them from the ethnic and so that's looked like for us is we had to change the scorecard. I've been talking a lot lately about the scorecard. And changing the scorecard talking a lot lately about unprofessional ising discipleship and disciple makers one things. I'm real excited about. Is that on this good friday. We are having. We're going through in the spanish church and church. we talk about las palabras and so every good friday. We get a preacher preachers to come up and go through the final seven statements of the cross. And all that kind of stuff and so we've kind of continued that heritage. But the way we're going about that now is that we'd like mobilized seven people from our congregation who are not professional preachers. Who are not the professional ministers if you would but who love jesus who are committed to his calls and who understand the gospel and they're going to be the ones prejean. I'm not even preaching. I'm having them preach. Diego lead that thing. They're going to share. Because i believe that if that so long as our ministers of the people we multiply or send out the professionals man we are never going to reach this country of the kingdom of for the gospel of christ Daniel you just put out a new article talking about the numbers and how many people we need the reach by twenty fifty to see just the kingdom continue to advance in such a way where we don't become an afterthought i think if we're going to do that we gotta change the scorecard we have to begin to mobilize and multiplied cycle makers who are not professional but who love jesus and believe that in a browning america we need to see that happen from the margins needs to be. A urban minority led multi-ethnic movement. That would be very different from the movement we have today. Yeah it's good. It's really good man. Thanks so much for that. it's funny man. I want to give a little shout out to armando peraza. The guy that i referenced earlier. Who came up as we chatted in. He was talking about you. Know the distinctive of Hispanic churches hispanic speaking yada. Yada you know latino in all the different types he said look he goes. The thing is exactly what you're talking about about less professional discipleship You know not is glued to programs you know. Just empowering of the average believer is what's happening. And i was like man that sounds so much more in line with with what fires nia and what gets me excited. And what's more first century to be honest. I mean i think that's kind of the thread that i'm seeing is it's more like seven. The book of acts so my hope is that we can learn more and more from the latino church in future but our last question is what are kind of the hopes dreams and aspirations of the next generation. Latino american church leaders as daniel alluded to earlier. Latino americans are not monolithic. so so i'll speak specifically to my dreams if you would and the vision casting to those in my sphere of influence if that's okay with your and so i'm dreaming of seeing my latino american brethren and sisters liberated from the captivity of american evangelist evangelical of ways of being what i mean by. That is that. I'm dreaming of the latino american Leader church planter men disciple maker be able to freely mobilize people to the work of god in the way the god has moved us and created us and the way he shaped us. One of the one. The things that would have to happen for that to happen. Is that need my latino american brothers and sisters to to kind of again rediscover our christian heritage and the work. That's been done before us. I think as a latino american. I can say this confidently than we have forgotten where we've come from. We have neglected our heritage in terms of the church. A lot of our people have no clue or haven't really considered what the church the latin american church has had to do to even get to where it's at today and so like i'm dreaming of what would it looked like for my la a latino american brothers and sisters to begin a more instituto biblical. I don't know if you've ever heard of the concept of an institute. Bieb go. But in our latino american communities now we didn't have access to seminaries the money for have the resources and there weren't any institutions that we had to send our people to in that way. And so what are people did was they began these institutes or these bible institutes where they taught the average labors and the essential doctrines of the fe and ministry nuts and bolts so that they can do the work of mission and discipleship. I'm dreaming of seeing people begin to it's a of take back on those practices and then i'm dreaming of seeing the different spaces in american evangelicalism begin to platform recognize an resource more latino american leaders and expressions of faith. That's what i'm dreaming. I'm dreaming of. What would it look like. For the american church to begin to recognize and respect our differences and not only respect but celebrate our differences in such a way that we would begin to prioritize each other. And and that's a dream right now because unfortunately again even though the latino american is the largest minority group in our country we've yet to prioritize the latin american voice so i'm dreaming of a day where even in light of missile logical frameworks. Even in light of the reality of our demographics here in the states we would mobilize up prioritize and resource latino americans to reach this country and the world for the glory of god and the good neighbor So good man. I man if we can support that dream. I mean we're we want to. We want to be a part of that. And and i know peyton said we're asking the last question but i wanted to follow up because i just think it's so important david for us to bring this to the ground in we're talking about frontlines and we're dealing with issues. That passengers are thinking through every day. And i i would like for you to dress. Two things really quickly as we wrap up here is. I would like to address emerging latino american leaders as a as a as an older brother. Who's you're you're so young. You know peyton jones. You know how. David roses david. Tell us how you are on a good day. I don't even remember i. I'm thirty one. Third seventy two. Now you just made late field road. I always feel real old. This made me feel older and thirty. One you can't get anything then because my you forget everything. Now listen i think that this world is. I live in dog years man. That's shoes which by the way of a couple of people are asking for david. Roses information i think brooks is going to drop his website both church and his ministry website there so you can reach out to them. But david i really want to give you an opportunity. Because you're not just speaking to those listening live people come back and listen to this in those share it out. But for those latino american leaders who you know. They've been holding for a long time. They feel like. I can't be in this tent space where i can't be myself and lead the way that like to lead and so they might just like you know. Go out and do their own thing. That's what they need to do. Or you know some of them are thinking you know what i mean. I can't i american evangelicalism. That armor is too heavy for me. I need a shed it. Can you speak to those. Who have that tension. And then on the flip side of that for those of us who work predominantly white spaces. But then we have the the ethnic ministries the hispanic ministries in the hispanic director and speak to those. Who are currently overseeing. You know this kind of siloed segregated way of thinking about doing ministry and how can they better integrate leadership so to audiences as we close here. One the emerging leader. What would you mentor them in. And then secondly as the institutional leader how can they create a better space for these emerging leaders to lead war. One of the things that i would say and that i would that would share that i do. Share with emerging. Latin american leaders is is again. This idea of regaining or recovering our distinctiveness for the way showcases. The glory of god in the multi ethnic. A church of god is important. For my latino american brothers and sisters answer in lip bully into our distinctiveness at our story because august thank goodness and our story sheds light on god's creativity and The beauty of his splendor and radiance in the world. And so and so. Here's what i want. My latino brothers sisters. Do i want us to begin to learn again. A from our og or older brothers and sisters in the faith who have come before us. We need to get acquainted with by the. We need to get acquainted with. Who's the ruins is. We need the get acquainted with the work of one martinez man. Listen you need to know dr. Liz unreels you gotta get connected with robert gerardo you got you gotta get no michael carey on my brother rich rivera. There are so many people who've been doing this work. Even my mother horton who have been doing this work With our cultural or ethnic lens who can speak who put a framework ethnic story. And listen you and i have a story to. That's what i wanted to say. Dan you it's my love. You know american brothers and sisters we have a story to and our story brings again about the beauty of christ. So there's a black story. And i love my black brothers and sisters and there's a white story and i love my white brothers and sisters and there's an asian story and i love my asian brothers and sisters but there is a story of latino americans of god is using and the he desires to us to expand the reach of the people of god. Here i believe and listen. I got my bias. I believe that. One of god's most powerful tools to reach this next wave of americans is the latino american church. I see any way around. That as the demographics continue to grow as our young people continue to become more and more latino as american sa- brown god is raising up latino americans to lead the way. Here's here's what would be read brother. I think this would be cool. If you put a podcast or someone put a podcast together. It was like a crash course for white guys like me on this man. I'd come running up to that in a heartbeat. I'm wanting to brother. come on do it. You have your new mission go. I'm your first follower or god. Just just to. If i can get a second out. Also say to those as the two leaders man of our different hispanic you know movements and all that inva- nominations mao. I would say. I would say hey. Listen if you can't recover your distinctiveness. I'm sorry If if rope somebody the wrong way if you can't this regain your distinctiveness. Answer more fully. Into who god has created you to be that you may need to consider going elsewhere. Because god wants to use the latino american and this season to reach this country our missio allergy our strategies. Our movements depend on humble holy goes filled a gospel centered. Let the americans leading the way charting a way forward if you have to sacrifice you lot dot for the sake of being a part of an institution that is the tuition is not seeking to really reached this changing demographic you need to reconsider have some good humble conversations about why you love is so important. Set a task at hand. And if we can't do that well let's figure out how for the sake of the kingdom of god the unity of all things we can We can do that in different. That's all i got. Awesome man david. Thanks for so much for hopping on and really we love to have you back brother because there's so much more that we could unpack here. So thanks for hanging on their. Thanks for all the questions and then put they came in there. And you just want to let you know that exponential has got a couple of things coming up soon We get some round tables. We had a summit. That's happening very soon and want to make sure that you also go to sentence dot org And check out some research that we talked about today and then i'm super excited because peyton jones book churchmen technology came out in pain. If i understand this correctly we're going to be on the show next week. Talk a little bit about it. I'm holding it in my hand right now. I got a copy with your name on it. But y- man absolute thanks for that looking forward to having that discussion too. So hey god bless you all things for signing on today.

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20210823  Nicole Sandler Show - The Dog Days of August

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20210823 Nicole Sandler Show - The Dog Days of August

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. Your discretion is advised. She's got the news. She talks with news makers she encourages us to laugh and she cries with us speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. It's the nicole sandler show all right. It is a monday. Excuse me my voice still hasn't recovered from the weekend yet and all i did was really sleep. You know But welcome to a monday. It is Today's august twenty third. And as i was preparing the show. I'm thinking you know every day every day i i come up with a title for it and i put together like a graphic for youtube and for the cover art for the podcast and today we do have a guest coming up but it. It's not a major guest. We'll be speaking with Courtney hostetler. She's the lead attorney for free speech for people which is a A group that that that is sort of a progressive watchdog group and they have filed a couple of lawsuits against the gop g q. P for some of the The horrible voter suppression legislation. That they've recently passed. I believe these suits in arizona if memory serve anyway. We'll talk to her but today there's just a bunch of stuff it's a busy day on capitol hill. There's a lot of stuff going on. And i'm thinking you know. I guess these are the dog days of summer. And so i thought okay. That'll be my theme today. The dog days. Because i have a couple of dogs stories to share with you. That are that are pretty upsetting. And well i so i thought i should. I should give some information out where the dog days of summer where that phrase comes from and i learned that the dog days of summer are actually over already here. According to the interwebs the dog days of summer run from july third to august eleventh. Who knew and the reason. Those dates during that time sirius. The dog star is the brightest star visible in the sky. In case you're wondering in the summer serious rises and sets with the sun on july twenty third specifically it's in conjunction with the sun and because the star so bright the ancient romans believe it actually gave off heat and added to the suns warmth accounting for the long stretch of hot humid oppressive weather in the summer so they referred to these days as dog days. And i guess it's stuck so the term dog dave's summer began came to mean the twenty days before and the twenty days after this alignment of serious with the sun so it works out to july third to august eleventh each year. Who knew well today. We're dealing with a few dogs in the news in the house. Blue dogs see how i did that. Yeah blue dogs. Were threatening to derail. The joe biden democratic agenda. And we'll get into it a little further. I just thought i'd set it up and explain the dog thing on the other the other story. We'll get we'll get back to that 'cause that's gonna take some time. The other story is that today happens to be andrew cuomo's final day in office as governor of new york. And you're wondering well what so. What does that have to do with anything. Well andrew cuomo. Apparently while i was gonna say has a dog but apparently had a dog a really cute dog to this dog's name is i'm gonna see if i can't pull up a picture for those of you watching on one of the streams To sell you a picture of captain. Here i'm just i'm just gonna put this this shot up. This is captain cute. Little looks like Some kind of a german shepherd. Apparently andrew cuomo adopted captain just a few years ago in two thousand eighteen and it sounds like he never got captain the training that a dog needs or gave the attention. So let me read to you from the albany times union newspaper today governor andrew cuomo. Who's been staying with. One of his sisters in westchester county in the final days of his third term recently asked staff members at the executive mansion of anyone would like to keep his dog. Captain captain has remained at the state owned residents after the governor moved out last week. Who leaves the dog behind man To state police sources told the times union on saturday that the governor had recently asked mansion staff members if anyone would be interested in caring for the dog captain described as high-strung mix of shepherd siberian and malamute head nipped a few people since cuomo adopted him in two thousand eighteen. The sources said and a mansion staffer recently took the dog home for a few days but decided he was too much richard ads. Oh party a senior advisor and spokesman for the governor lashed out at the allegation that the governor has been looking for someone to care for the canine. He said the arrangement was only temporary. Because the governor who is scheduled to resign from office at eleven fifty nine. Pm tonight is planning to take a vacation He also said that he and the governor had more important things to do to deal with as the tropical storm on re was bearing down on southern new york and new england as a dog lover. That's not how you act when you adopt a dog. You're adopting this being. You're saying i will care for this animal in this case for the rest of its life or the rest of my life whichever comes first. That's not what you do. So you know a good riddance andrew. Cuomo stop. stop hurting your father's name. And i hope somebody good comes to captain's rescue and gives the dog some training because that's what it needs. Wanted dog is rescued when a dog is adopted from a shelter remember. I volunteered at the local. Animal shelter Every weekend for the year a little over a year until lockdown happened last march. Those dogs need extra patience caring because they're going from stress full situation into the unknown. But i digress. I'm happy to talk to you about adopting a dog No you don't rent a dog. Steven cohen damn it. Yeah more important than the dog. You know look. I'm someone who adopted my daughter and have adopted dogs over the years. And i consider my responsibility to each of them the same. They are under my care when i adopted them. I said i will care for this soul for the rest of its life or mine. Whichever comes first damn it all right. So back to the The other dogs the blue dogs. So i turned on the the the The c. span. Just a little while ago and happened to catch some of the rules committee hearing so there's all kinds of debates going on what they are voting on today. Ostensibly is and and things change. So don't hold me to this. But at the last time. I checked there. Were going to vote on the budget resolution. Not the reconciliation plan because that hasn't been written yet but the how the senate already approved the budget resolution. The house also has to pass that and then they can start actually writing the reconciliation bill. The first step though it's got to be passed by the house in order for the senate or whoever start writing it. So that's That was what they reconvened to do right. But in the meantime there is a group of nine. Count them nine Blue dogs. here's the other dog story. I think some of them were new dumb. But i think the new dem part of this coalition fell apart. I believe these are all blue dogs. and they They're derailing it. Say see the way was supposed to be the way it was. Set up nancy. Pelosi and and President biden and chuck schumer all agreed that they would bring up both bills. Both what was known as the biff. Which is the so-called bipartisan bill. that already passed the senate. That's what these blue dogs wanna vote on now but pelosi and schumer and biden all agreed. They're going to hold that bill until the other one. The the budget reconciliation bill is written and ready to be passed and they will pass them at the same time. Because there's a deal going on between the two factions of the democratic party. Right you got the you got the progressive faction of the democratic party and then you've got republican faction of the democratic party. Now i know they like to call them. Moderate that's not the definition of moderate. These are republican leaning representatives with dis next to their name. But make no mistake. They are not. I mean you know how he calls them. The the republican section of the democratic party right So in fact. I'm watching. cnn over the weekend. And i was shocked. I i'm seeing these spots. That are they seem to be Put together by republicans commercials. I'm talking about spots Ads like telling them not to. Don't don't wait for the other bill to come. No we want. We want the we want the full. You know we want. We want to vote on the the the biff. The bipartisan bill. Now and Basically trying to upend the deal that was cut. This was a deal that was arranged. That was agree to buy both chambers. This is how they were going to do it. In fact you know what before. I get to that before i play for these spots. Let me play. A good explainer. Briefly came from hill. Kapoor on msnbc. So here's here's what how he explains. Exactly what is going on here. The house returning early and planning a series of votes today and tomorrow to move that three and a half trillion dollar package that is the centerpiece of president biden's agenda that's a safety. Net expansion and tax hikes on opera earners speaker. Pelosi is facing a rebellion from a group of moderate house. Democrats moderate concern on that three and a half trillion dollar reconciliation package until the passed infrastructure. Bill is done passed in the house and signed into law by president biden. They haven't out bad today in the washington. Post digging in on this position. Nine of them saying that they oppose holding that infrastructure. Bill hostage their word to the reconciliation bill now speaker. Pelosi has for months that these bills have to move in tandem because the votes aren't there to pass one without the other to that end. A coalition of progressive groups has a new ad campaign out today targeting. These nine moderate. Democrats led by congressman. Josh got high in new jersey accusing them of obstructing president biden and his agenda. Of course here. This is high stakes standoff between the progressive and moderate wings of the democratic party with huge consequences for president biden's agenda democrats hope to run on the infrastructure. Bill and this reconciliation bill which would include a major investments in health care and childcare mitigating climate change raising taxes on upper earners and corporations to get it done they want to run on this in the two thousand twenty. Two midterm elections to tell voters. Please keep us in power for another two years but of course they have to pass it first and speaker pelosi is probably going to have to pull a rabbit out of the hat to get all members of the house except three democrats which is her margin for error except three democrats which is her margin for error. All right i just. I had it ready to go. I just lost the connection to the screen. So hold on. I need to pull this up on the other screen and hopefully this one will stay. could think redundancy is a good thing right all right so what i want to show you is. He mentioned the ad by the The progressive caucus ad right so there are two ads. That are running one is. Oh this is. The this is the progressive. All right. let me show you. I'll show you this one. I 'cause i haven't ready to go so this. This is the ad from the progressive coalition. It's put together by justice. Democrats and included in it is oh man everyone from move on to let me see if i can't find the The entire list dammit. Now i lost it I don't know where my notes are but move onto the sunrise foundation to the working families party basically the big progressive groups all got together. And did this ad. This one targets. Josh got heimer. Who is the ringleader of these nine centrist or or conservative. Dems as. I call them. They're not moderates But this is the ad they're running targeting those nine members of congress. And here's how it goes. Joe biden promised he would build back better and his infrastructure plan does exactly that fixing our roads and bridges making historic investments in clean energy education and broadband expanding medicare and childcare. But these nine conservative. Democrats are sabotaging. Biden's agenda because it would make billionaires and corporations pay their fair share tell representative got heimer stop obstructing president biden and start working for the american people. Okay good ad right. And i was glad that i saw that. Because i'm telling you all weekend long. I forget what show i was watching was watching something on cnn. Oh the concert on saturday night. We'll get to that too so trying to watch this concert. 'em some other programming on cnn. And i keep seeing these ads pop up. Please let it be on this computer to wrong one dammit. Okay so for some reason. I don't know why it's not letting me show anything. Let me try one other way. 'cause i have i have. I have that video ready to go. We'll let me do it this way. Add screen capture. No dammit dammit dammit. Why is it doing this Just that's a justice dumb. Dad mehdi hassan. Why is it not in this folder. This is making me angry. Give me just one more second. Because i do everything myself. I can download video onto this computer. I all ready to go. I'm telling you it was it was it was right here on the screen and then the connection to to the the window just died so let me bring it up here We are going to sorry i got. I've got these folder after folder. Here is this it. that's not it man. I know this is such great radio. Isn't it Bear with me. One more i'll tell you what while. I'm waiting to do this now. I can't even do that. I'm sorry what while i do. I'm trying to chew gum and talk at the same time which is also not easy So what i'm trying to do is find for you the Man this video. Why can't i find it here. Now there we go today show and this is the no labels. Okay so the you know. I'm thinking why are. Republicans running this ad on on cnn. And then i realized it wasn't it was actually not republicans at all but the no labels you know there are a few of these groups that that you know the the the problem solvers caucus while there's no labels and their third way and they're basically trying to turn the democratic party into republican light third way is actually not in league with the with them with the no labels people right now which is a good thing all right so i'm able to bring it up this way. So this ad has been running nonstop. I mean almost every break oops one more second hold on i i know i know there was no audio there. I will give you audio. Give me one second. I will not play it without audio. What wasn't there audio. They're setting the gremlins. It's a monday. There aren't supposed to be gremlins here today. All right now we can do it all right. So this ad is running. Virtually non-stop on cnn. I don't know where else it's running but just know this. Is these blue dogs. This is the ad running to push to de rail. The deal that nancy pelosi chuck schumer and joe biden made to pass the to infrastructure bills. Together something amazing has happened in washington. Dc a bipartisan. Congressional group and the president have agreed on an historic deal to rebuild america's bridges roads and broadband loving weekend. Not do if we come together as a nation but nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are holding the deal back in congress even vote on it with trillions and unrelated spending madam speaker leader schumer. It's time to get out of the way to rebuild america. why then what's no labels dot org. Hey no labels someone had to say it all right. It took me a long time to get there but really So it's it's dueling ads. You've got the the democratic groups the progressive groups. Singling out these nine blue dogs for lack of a better term. And then you've got you know the the no labels crowd say calling out nancy. Pelosi and chuck schumer. They are working to get things done for us. This you know we have like a once in a lifetime. Chance to pass meaningful legislation. That will help people in this country who actually need the help. I'm not talking about the wealthy one percenters who you know who keep getting tax breaks. They're the ones who get these. Great advantages mostly from the republicans and democrats are an office. It's like always playing defense. We'll finally there's legislation in the pipeline to help america. Not only to rebuild the infrastructure but to finally fix our health care system l. Better than it is now to help working parents to help students to. I mean to help people no audio again. No you have audio now. You got audio now to help us. And and there's a group of nine number nine nine nine idiots who just want to Who want to screw it up. So i like i said i went i. I started watching one of the hearings on c. span a little while ago as the rules committee dealing with. I don't know rules before they get to the vote. They're they're supposed to be voting pretty soon but i think they're behind the behind the running late but did the whole thing. Just god is off. Can you tell making me crazy. So i'm watching. It and what i notice is tom cole. Republican is chairing this committee. For whatever reason. I don't know where he was at this point. The ranking member was in the lead. And he's not wearing a mask and pete sessions. Republican is speaking and he's not wearing a mask but sheila jackson-lee who was the other speaker along with pete sessions. She had our mask on. It seemed like every democrat in. The room had their masks on but the republicans. Didn't you know enough of this already. Can we follow the god damn science. You know the fraud it in arizona. I know i'm going off on a tangent here but but you'll get the connection in a moment in i. I know no labels as a performer. Republicans they are. But they're supposedly like third way. It's a group of former republicans and some conservatives who want you know the middle road. Those are the centrists not the nine. How so-called democrats who are trying to screw up this deal which is so precarious anyway but anyway the the arizona fraud it you know. They were supposed to finally be done today. How many months has this thing been going on. Well how little little problem there it will not be released. This initial report will not come today. It's been delayed because quote cyber ninjas. Ceo doug logan and two other members of the five person audit team. I'm reading a quote from the actual statement. They put out to other members of the five person. Auditorium have tested positive for cove nineteen and are quite sick. What do you what. what more do you need. I mean invented. This is insane. Donald trump did one of his norberg rallies. This weekend i think in alabama and when he mentioned you should get the vaccine people started booing. So he's like i know. I know you've got your freedoms he backs off because of the booze right. But what's his name. The infowars guy. Alex jones called started badmouthing trump. Calling him an idiot because he doesn't know that the vaccine is what it's going to. It's going to put a microchip in you. They're still pushing that crap. Meanwhile today the fda gave final approval to the pfizer vaccine. There's no more excuses so now the fox people have been screaming. Well it's not. It's not approve. It's an experiment. And why is it taking so long so today. It's approved so fox's screaming. Well why why did they rush it. There's no winning with these people. By the way the fox people were telling you not to take the back seen they have to take the vaccine or they don't get to go in. the building. Fox utilizes a vaccine passport in case you wondering that's happening by the way moments after moments after the news broke that the pfizer biotech ovid nineteen vaccine has been gotten full approval from the fda new york city immediately announced that it's public schools. All staff will have to be vaccinated and there's no opt-out option right. No testing option as as a way to get out of vaccine. If you wanna be in a classroom if you want to work in a public school in new york city you must get vaccinated that works for me and then a short while later the pentagon announced that the us military will make cove in nineteen vaccines mandatory following the fda approval of pfizer shot. So maybe some of these These flat authors will finally say all right. I'll get the shot because the alternative is death or bad illness. You wanna get really sick now. What's not an alternative is. Is it called in victim. There's another drug that for some reason people someone like someone's reading on facebook while there's this drug it's a d. warmer for horses and cows. That cures that'll work against kovic. No it won't it won't and so the fda. I love this. I don't know if i have this year or not. The fda actually text texted tweeted. You're not a cow. You not a hawk horse. Do not take this drug. You know. I mean that's the way to get your attention the fda telling you you're not a cow and you're not a horse okay. So there's that yeah it you know. Sometimes you just gotta wonder who are these people. How were they how we live in the same country. I just don't get it. I'm alright so all this is going on there so many different areas. It's like you know the head-spinning analogy comes up. But i got a mention. What's going on in afghanistan and we dealt with this a bit on friday and this is my mantra right now yet. What's the pullout messy yeah are people scrambling to get out of afghanistan who we should have gotten out before hell. Yeah but the media is doing a really really lousy job of of of of Explaining or of covering the news the media. that's supposed to be neutral. They seem to be delighting in criticizing this administration it and the people that they're inviting on the various programs to talk about it are all the people that got us into this mess. In the first place from people from the bush administration really and the people who kept us. There leon panetta and others. I don't need to hear from them. And so we did some on it on friday and we'll keep talking about it because it's pretty reprehensible well many hasson is one of the few cable news hosts who i think is doing a really good job and his show on peacock while on sunday nights. It's on msnbc and so last night he does this thing. It's like a minute. Long rant i forget what it's called like the minute rant or something so he put sixty seconds on the clock to rant about something and in this case this is what he ranted about. And i just had to share this with you because it was good. It's time now. For what i call the sixty second round the clock sixty second one of the most annoying aspects about covering the biden withdraw from afghanistan. The american public support the withdrawal and those of us who oppose this catastrophic. Were tragically vindicated. and yet. You wouldn't any of that from the debate. We're having right now. Newspaper op-ed pages on. Tv screens are filled with people. Who got it wrong. Still trying to let the rest of us about what should happen now in afghanistan there. The journalist people in my industry never covered afghanistan. Talked about it helped. Make it the forgotten war all these years now expressing outrage over the ending of it the top. Us general at intelligence officials who falsely told us year after year that we were turning the corner and afganistan that we were winning the war against the taliban and building an amazing afghan army and democratic government. Even now still insisting we stayed just a bit longer the bush administration officials who got us into this mess in the first place the trump administration officials who signed the damn deal in doha with the taliban both front blame it all on joe biden. There's the coughing and complaining from politicians on both sides democrat and republican who spent years sending other people's kids to fight and die and they knew winnable an unpopular war. So forgive me when i see. Keep your views on the end of this to yourself. Personally i would like a period of silence from all of you about so right and if you do feel the need to comment on the disaster that is afghanistan. How about starting with the word sorry. The buzzer goes off when he reaches the end of the sixty seconds. How about starting with the word. Sorry many hostile is really good. And what's nice is the other my other favorite. Msnbc is ll. She and ali chelsea is usually the guy doing the philippines and he was vacation this past weekend and last week and so many stepped in and filled in for chris hayes and even allie kelci on saturday morning. That's a good thing we need more of that. By the way those of you who were freaking out thinking oh my god. Rachel maddow's leaving msnbc. I told you she wasn't she was just. You know it's contract negotiations. And she got. She's now making eight figures eight figures in addition to her show on msnbc. She's going to develop projects for nbc universal. Good for her. I say good for her trying to think. If there's anything else i need to get to so i'm there is there is one other thing actually. There's two other things there's more than two other. There's a lot of other things but Just what we're getting to here on friday. In addition to talking about the way the media is miss covering the end of the war in afghanistan We also talked about the voting rights issues. And what we're you know what we're facing and it's it's really bad. One of the things that they will be voting on as the house is reconvened today and tomorrow is not only the budget resolution so that they can write the reconciliation bill but is also the The john lewis voting rights advancement act And it is so important that we passed this You know what's at stake. And i'm not gonna go through it now because what we'll do it in when i'm talking with courtney hostetler in just a moment but we need to have control over. Our elections are elections. Need to be run and a free and fair manner. That's what the the john lewis voting rights advancement act and the for the people act would accomplish. It would keep them free and fair if these bills in these individuals states are are able to pass and You know and basically we lose control of our elections and the republicans. And i hate to put you know. I want to try to not sound so partisan but it's the republicans who are doing this. The democrats aren't doing this. The democrats are pushing for fair and free election so that everybody who is a citizen who's entitled to vote can vote the republicans wanna keep you from voting and then they wanna be able to control it after the fact so if they don't like the outcome they can change it and that's one of the reasons that free speech for people is doing this While they filed this lawsuit. I guess we should just get to at home all right. Let's just get to it and we'll chat on the other side. Okay all right okay So take it away nicole. And courtney joining us on the line courtly council. He's speech for people. You can find them at free speech for people dot org and of course on twitter hold on. That's not working. Let me try it another way. Yeah that's not gonna work. Oh i think. I know what the problem is here. We go maybe protect our rights to vote among other things and this time you guys have filed not all right. I got to figure out why this is doing this man. You know. I try to do something a little different. Yes we tape this the other day so i got to figure out why that's not working. I wonder if i put it down here. If that will work. Let me try it this way. Sorry about this guys. let's try it this way. Tell going on what what you've done yes. Unfortunately arizona is one of a number of states in this country that in the aftermath of this past election which saw an enormous outpouring of voters of new voters of people may not have voted in recent years and are coming back. Usually this would be seen as as a great sign for our democracy. That people are getting engaged. And what unfortunately we've seen is instead of a huge outpouring voter suppression laws. Being passed in states throughout the country Being considered in arizona was one of the states that led the charge. Georgia's you may know was another one and a number of voter suppression laws were introduced in in arizona and the two that we are that passed in that were challenging. A one is senate bill. Fourteen eighty five Which is we're calling the voter purge law and what they're going to do is arizona actually has a great permanent early voting lists where people can choose to always receive their ballots by mail on its rate because it makes voting accessible store name. You know people who work really long hours people who can't get time off on tuesday in the middle of the week It gives people flexibility and getting their ballot in and it was enormously popular and has been for a number of years in arizona at the majority of arizona. Voters vote by I will either return it by. Mail uses dropbox but in in the numbers going up every year. And this is a this permanent early voter lists is actually now under attack. And what they're going to do is somebody misses two consecutive election cycles. They're going to be purchased and that's really difficult because you know for example if you're somebody who Only votes in the presidential election. You're out of luck and you might not realize it until it's too late until you've already been removed from the list and look what it would be great to get everyone voting in every local election in every midterm election. That shouldn't be used to keep people from voting Particularly as we know it looks like when this goes into effect a it could end up having more than one hundred fifty thousand voters purge going to affect a latino black voters much more than white voters. it's going to affect people with lower income level more than people in the upper range of income levels. You know who would start getting raises. Not who is targeting. Unfortunately we're seeing the same thing with the other bill that passed which is senate bill. Teno three and that's a bill. That says so in arizona. If you submit a vote by mail you have to have to have your signature on it now. If somebody claims that your signature doesn't match and we know that's problematic but at least e would have five days to cure that if you don't sign it all if you if you forget to sign or if you don't realize you're supposed to sign For example maybe if english is not your first language and you. You aren't sure where you're supposed to sign or if you need to sign you actually can only cure up to seven. Pm on election day and he can't even go to your local polling place. You would have to go to an election office and again if you're voting by mail it's probably because voting in person on election days out of reach for you and so this makes it even more out of reach for folks you know. There's a lot of people who live miles and miles and miles away from their county election offices but you know we actually did some some research looking into. What does it take even. Let's say you live in a city or let's say you live in a place. Where things aren't that far away as the crow flies. What you actually find out is when you're trying to rely on public transportation what could be. Oh it's ten miles. Anyone can get there. I mean that could be two hour workday trip. And that's if you catch the right connections you know an end. So you're looking at people who you get a twenty minute lunch break you know or you've got kids to pick up or you've got you know again. It puts out of reach for people in again. We're looking at the people who are going to be affected by this law or black. And latino voters gorgeous but another question about this law do they just figuring you will all of a sudden just have a revelation and realized that you signed your name wrong or you forgot to sign it and you're gonna go yourself by seven. Pm on election data to fix it or they sang. We'll notify you. This is something that you you're supposed to just know. The law basically says in election official has to do do their best to notify. Oh great with. It doesn't establish what that means. So what you get is some counties you could have election officials who are on top of things and really wanna let people know other counties. Their best effort might not look in to write ball It could also frankly just be maybe the these election ficials really do want to do their best but they have a million things going on in the lead up to election day you we know unfortunately this enormous slowdown in males so you could have people who submitted their ballot a week and a half two weeks in advance and it's coming in a couple of days before the election so even if election officials have the very best intention to notify people. It's not clear that they would actually even be able to get that notification in in a way that would allow people right alleged human best intentions know that sort of the institutional parameters around getting your ballot in there are slowdowns. There's mill we. We wanted to be millions of ballots. We want of collections officials to have many many ballots and so than to put this burden on election officials in voters. It's clearly intended to keep people from polls and it's clearly intended to keep very specific people of course and that's how they're doing it around the country so free speech for people filed a lawsuit on behalf of a number of organizations in arizona. Mi familia voda voda Arizona coalition for change living united for change in arizona. A few others. So you're you're working with them to try to block these new voter suppression laws. But i got this is just arizona so for example i live in florida. Same thing with the vote by mail. I voted by mail here for years. And i'm just automatically in that system where for each election i get a ballot sent to my house. Well now and they didn't even allege problems here in florida. The election went off fairly flawlessly. But they're doing the same thing where you have to re register for vote by mail. I think after after every two cycles or something obviously the the intention is to keep people from voting right and yet and there's is there anything we can do nationally so you don't have to file these kind of lawsuits in each individual's state to stop these kind of voter suppression a laws from from going through or taking hold. I mean absolutely end. The answer would be for to get federal voter protection and asked and you know. We've we've done that. Work with the voting rights act and unfortunately the courts have just repeatedly rolled back those protections that were intended to be in place for all voters to make sure that our country does allow for safe effective and fair voting and as he's protections rolled back. You see just this this enormous outpouring of new voter suppression laws. Right i That's we there's a hole in voter protection and all the it's getting filled by suppression. That's i mean that's why the voting rights act was passed in the first place. Back in the sixties. It's why it needed to get updated in nineteen eighty two and that needs to happen again so in terms of what we can do at the federal level. The the thing that i think everyone can do is put an enormous amount of pressure on your senators on your on your congress people and ask them to to get voting voter protection. Laws passed to support. For the people act to support these acts that would stop voter suppression in in its tracks. I mean how would the for the people act do that because there's one other major concern of legislation that again it's it's the republicans trying to push this kind of stuff all around the country but the m- the most troubling i do not believe is addressed in in the for the people act and that is a provision that would allow a a republican governor the state to step step into local election boards and say. Your election didn't come off. It was not conducted correctly. Whatever that might mean and therefore they're going to take away the power of the supervisor of elections in a particular county and then put in their own people and say we're gonna put in our own electors and basically up end the fair and free election by the people right. Is there anything in the for the people act. That would prevent that from happening. Well i think that's exactly you know in some ways what we've seen in the aftermath of of twenty twenty is unprecedented. The idea i mean unfortunately our country has lived with voter suppression has been fighting voter suppression for decades and centuries but the idea of i mean this is flagrant flagrant putting in election officials with the intention of stealing the election from the people. It is almost. it's really it's a new. it's a new threat. And i think it goes hand in hand with the voter suppression laws that we're seeing right. We're seeing people come out to vote and when people don't like when the leaders don't like what the people have said they just want to take it. And and i we've we've seen we've seen how that plays out we've seen that. Long-term democracies can crumble We've seen that in. This is this is how it happened. And so i think what we need to do is again. Get to our congressman and get to our senators and say we need to be on our toes about this. We can't set back and say well. Our our democracy is more or less. Because i don't think that's true and we need to get aggressive about not only preventing voter suppression but making sure that when people are people need to be allowed to vote. They need to be able to get to the polls in have their ballots fairly counted and then once that count is done. People can't be allowed to you. Leaders can't be allowed to come in and change results because they don't like that and that's really the that's what we're seeing these direct challenges and i think we're seeing it from both sides right. We're seeing okay. It's a two front assault under democracy. Let's make sure we stop against specifically black latino native american voters make sure. Their ballots aren't counted right. You have this sort of pre election effort to stop people from getting to the polls and having their ballots counted and then on the other side is okay. Let's say that we still you know enough people that we don't like are still able to vote. Well let's make sure we have provisions in place where we can take the election from them afterwards. And that's that's scary and i think we need to think again. Need to be extremely proactive. In what we're asking our governor government to do and frankly we need to be really proactive at the local level. too. I think it needs to be both. Let's be proactive at the federal level. But keep on top of it in this really goes back to You know i mentioned earlier. It'd be great to get everyone out to the local elections. And sometimes we forget about those because we are extremely busy. And i think our election you know. We have very specifically created a system of elections in which it's not easy to vote right so it's very easy for very busy people especially people who work before nine o'clock in the morning and after five o'clock at night you get to the polls but really to the extent that we can't and to the extent that we can support people who don't have the same capacity as we do to engage Because they have so many more burdens Then it's really important that we look to these who are we elected at the local level at the state level because they have an enormous amount of power over what our elections look late. So you know. I think to the extent that we can be aware of all the places that voter suppression and voter intimidation is happening and doing what we can to protect our voters and protector democracy. Let's get brought in creative about what we're doing so that y- means lawsuits But you know all these amazing plaintiffs that were representing the familia voter arizona coalition for change lucia the league of conservation voter voters on just by a z. They're doing an enormous amount of work on this lawsuit but they're working on a number of different fronts to educate folks to to get out the vote to make sure people understand what's happening to protect their rights and they're working on Frankly they're spread really thin right so the most the more we can do to support and this is just in arizona right as Across the country that are creating networks and coalitions the more that we can do to support their efforts. You know the it's really important to look for again all these avenues. Look the people who want to suppress. The vote are looking for every possible avenue to do that. Oh sure. And that's why. I asked about if there's something that can be done nationally because you're this as important as it is and it is it will only affect arizona. And they're doing this. I think they're in forty something states right now and they hit every state if they could to try to suppress the. But that's why you know this. This is a herculean effort if you have to go into each individual state and try to stop each of these individual voter suppression laws. They're pushing through because there's tons of them and just realize also that if if this was a thing of during the last election if these laws were in place donald trump would still be in the white house. He would have stolen this election. We've learned in recent weeks. How close he came and given the tools this this would give them the chance to say no. This election was not conducted fairly. And we're going to throw it out and put in our own people and overturned the result. That shouldn't be allowed to happen. But that's the goal of and and i hate to sound so partisan but these are the republicans doing this. The democrats aren't doing this. Well it again. It's very specifically tied to racial army to discrimination on the basis of ethnicity of your race. I mean this is very specifically targeting black latino native short because they're more likely to vote for the democrats. Well i look. I think the reality is. There's a lot of racism in the way that we view our country us who should be allowed to vote and we had never really you know the voting rights act was supposed to route that out and for long did but now that the legs have been cut out from under especially section five of the voting rights. Act we saw hell quickly. Many legislatures moved right back in there. And who specifically they're targeting and why they're targeting these people and there's again they're specifically targeting black and latino voters and this there's there's a long history of this and what's really. I think troubling is not good enough word. Graham is that it's not just that they're they're using long term strategies suppression oppression in conjunction with these laws. Right you see you see the connection between black. And latino people for years have been for example shut out of neighborhoods that might be say close to government building near the reason that lack in latino neighborhoods tend to be a two hour bus ride from the government buildings where they could get to drop off their voter. Ray you can you. We understand that years. Decades centuries of oppression have created situations in which black and latino voters have to work from seven o'clock in the morning to seven o'clock at night and can't get to the polls right that there are more likely to be working on the front line to be more likely to be vulnerable for example in the pandemic so became much more dangerous to vote in person. They're more likely to work on hourly shifts and therefore not have the kind of let you know when i wanna vote. If i had a long life i got there and there was a long line i would just call my boss and my boss would say go vote. That's right you know. Not all bosses are like that. And i'll bosses are like that and for people who are working hourly for hourly wages. That's a risk that many can't take again this. So this is very much tied to socio. Economic oppression that has been targeting targeted specifically black and latino communities for centuries in arizona and elsewhere and then to the suppression laws which are like. Oh these are mutual. That we're we're not mentioning god. It varies is typically tight. You know the people who have the hardest time getting over the burden of these laws place on boating. Thus are black. And latino voters in that is because of systemic oppression rate is. And then you're gonna keep going on until we stop it so there's two fronts that we should act on one is contact your local State representatives you are. You're you have two senators and one congress person but then also talked to them about you know this this kind of stuff that's happening in your state but also talk about the importance of passing the for the people act and the john lewis of voting rights advancement act we need national protections we needed at the state level too but to do it in each individual state where we're going to always be fighting uphill battle unless we tackle it in a major way on a national level so it's got to be a two pronged attack or fifty one pronged attack and i will say i think it is like you said fifty one prong attack but on the same thing. Let's not let the republican representatives off the hook letting you know let's not assume their loss causes and frankly even if they are. We still need to be calling them. They still need to recognize that they have constituents. I mean make a logjam of their office. I mean call them where our date flood them with calls and focus and them know that the one consequences despite their best efforts at suppressing the vote that there are people out here care about the health of the democracy and who do see that they are undermining our democracy taking away the right to vote and that there are people who won't stand for and that it is not too late for them to take a different tact right that reverend different they might feel about the policy is it is appalling. That forty nine a are senators. Just don't think that voting rights is something that should exist. Who don't think that we should address ongoing voter suppression especially on the basis of race calling out on that well. I'm represented by a republican. I'm not gonna bother to call them go. You need to call them to to keep calling that. Without a doubt courtney hostetler thank you so much thanks for it for taking on this work And and for filling us in on what's happening again. People can find more information by visiting free speech for people dot org you can follow them on twitter at f f p And and just pay attention and be involved and speak up because we are the last defense. We've we've gotta we've gotta fix this or we lose it all Thanks so much wortley. Courtiers thank you. I appreciate it all right. You take care of courtney hoffstetter from free speech for people. They're doing great work Glad they're on the case but it's not enough. It's not nearly enough all right while we were speaking with courtney. The house has been working so let me give you an update on what's happened now. Heather k goal at politico. I'm reading from her twitter. Feed and almost an hour ago. She wrote news. Pelosi has made an offer to representative got heimer and he is socializing it with his group. And then i'm going to read you. The thread next up part of this potential deal where told would be a deeming motion meaning. The budget resolution would be deemed past when the rule is passed. So i they were gonna vote on the role then on the actual thing. I guess she's saying it would be deemed past. When the rule is passed to recap potential deal would one deem and pass budget resolution when role passes as soon as tonight to firm commitment to pass infrastructure bill by october first. Three idea to also have reconciliation ready for vote by then to likely be pre negotiating with the senate and And then a little while later. She wrote caution here though. No agreement yet. We're told still working this out. Hope is to have something for this caucus meeting at five thirty okay. So that's five thirty now. I'm looking at ryan grim grimm's I'm reading everybody's comments on what's going on ryan grim of course of the intercept. He writes regarding her second point. The october first deadline would be a big win for god heimer but no deal yet right and then a little later. That was six minutes ago. And then he just ryan grim just a minute ago. Wrote this bullet number two nats. The firm commitment pass by octopi to pass the infrastructure bill by october first. This bullet number two would hand mansion and cinema a ton of leverage and threatened. The big package pelosi did not end up mentioning it to the caucus so may have been wishful thinking from god. Heimer floor vote soon. So they had the The caucus meeting and then i'm guessing. Let me I'm going to pull up c-span again and See what's happening there. Now if they are voting see what is happening. Rules committee okay. That's the rules. House takes up three point five. Oh it started at five. Oh one how house returns the legislative session to consider the three point. Five trillion dollar budget resolution members will also take up the john lewis voting rights act. But that's not what this is. All right This is the house session and this is a. This is a for some reason. The video that's showing is Looks like a pentagon briefing. So i don't know well they'll be in session tonight. the vote. I'm sure hasn't even happened yet. But as it does i will pay attention to it and we'll bring you all that information tomorrow tomorrow. Of course being two day and laffy wasn't here last week she will be here tomorrow. So we've got that The one other thing. I wanted to talk about before we run out of time. Is this big concert. That was supposed to be saturday night in new york city in central park. I watched it. I watched well. It was like the first half of it and then put the you know they had the new york philharmonic which was kind of cool and they had know they had a bunch of acts on the the the old school rappers. That was school stuff. But the stuff i wanted to see. What's coming near the end. It was bruce springsteen patti smith together doing because the night come on paul stein and they all well. It started Lightning during Barry manilow sat. Whoops so was lightning during that barry mallows debt. Sto they couldn't They couldn't perform in fact. Here's what happened so barry. Manilow is doing a medley of his hits. And you got you got to be in the right frame of mind for barry. Manilow can without you care to you. Know his getting ready to deal. I i write the songs all of those songs but then this happened. Hold on with them all right here. On thunder. own. Small elvis costello i missed elvis costello to man up by all means and then they shut it down and everybody had to leave and and it ended. They talked about coming back at ten o'clock and it was still raining. So we didn't see elvis costello. We didn't see paul simon. We didn't see patti smith and bruce springsteen together we didn't see any of it i guess they always one and on that note. I oh you want to all right. We're done for the day and by the now it's just now that it's just us barry. Manilow is not available for any of his female friends. He has a husband okay. One of these days. I'll tell you my barry mail story. Because i got to meet him when i worked with mark and brian. And he was the nicest man you can imagine who had no problem laughing at himself like self deprecating humor. He was down with it. Just so coolness was twenty years ago so all right we are done i. I'm not gonna play the news today because believe it or not. I need to come up with a new intro for what's news seriously. We're in overtime now. I guess i can tell you. So what happened. Was i told you. I got a call. Another copyright violation. I get them you know i get. I get content matches all the time. But i got another copyright strike and they took down my streaming for a couple of days and then gave it back to me for whatever reason but they never identified what the offending content was. And you. I got ten years of shows archived on youtube. I think i have to take them all down. Because i. This strike came from the ria. The recording industry association of america. And i emailed them. And i said you know you gave me a copyright strike. You took down a video but you never told me what the offending content was and while they wrote back to me today and it said during a coal. Thank you for your message. The video contained a sound recording owned by an ria a member company and has not been authorized for use on this platform specifically the beatles a day in the life universal music group and it's universal music group who has given me all of the strikes. I've had so far. So i have that on hundreds hundreds of videos so i'm not quite sure what to do either. I delete them all off. Line or i wait for the day that they totally killed the channel so i got a lot of thinking to do over a few days anyway. I'm not gonna leave you with the news today but you can go to nicole. Sandler dot com click on. What's news and listen right there or subscribe to the podcast and you'll get it for free all right everyone. I'll see you tomorrow laugh. you'll be here. thanks for listening bye.

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Arizona election circus becomes increasingly a money-making scheme and grifter magnet

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Arizona election circus becomes increasingly a money-making scheme and grifter magnet

"The show we had nine stern on. Msnbc hundred and fifteen degrees in portland oregon one hundred seventeen degrees in salem oregon hundred and seven degrees in seattle. The nation of canada just hit its all-time highest recorded temperature ever The town of lytton l. y. T. t. o. And in british columbia hit one hundred and eighteen degrees today. That's like three hours northeast from vancouver and it was a hundred and eighteen degrees there today. No higher temperature has ever been recorded anywhere in canada in all of recorded history. That hundred and fifteen degrees today in portland oregon. That was the hottest temperature ever recorded in recorded. History in portland that said portland's previous record was set yesterday and before yesterday the previous record was set the day before that today should hopefully have been the worst of it in the pacific northwest. But it's quite bad. Emergency rooms filling up with people sick and struggling from the heat. They've been opening. Cooling centers towns all around the region trying to give people place to go to get away from the heat. They've been shooting water at the drawbridges and seattle to try to keep them from getting stuck as the metal expands beyond anything that it was ever expected to deal with before they shut down some lanes on interstate. Five because the heat caused concrete panels on that freeway to just crumble. Just turn to dust east of bellingham washington and up against the canadian border. The roads there are just buckling just falling apart and kind of melting in heat collapsing tonight. A bunch of young people were arrested at the entrances to the white house. These are activists from the sunrise movement who've been trying to keep up maximum pressure to make the us government act against climate change. Hundreds of them demonstrated at the white house today. They had said in advance that some of their active would be risking arrest. We think the total number of those arrested today was thirteen. They did block. Entrances to the white house specifically. They said they were fighting today to try to keep these civilian climate core in the infrastructure. Plan that president biden is trying to pass That civilian climate core is not currently in the infrastructure. Bill the one at least that president biden talked up on the white house driveway last week with some slightly spooked looking republican senators but the expectation on the left. Is that that little bipartisan. Bill that will maybe get some republican. Support the expectation on the left. And i think widely in the democratic party. Is that whatever it was. That president biden. Whatever it is that president biden will ultimately be able to work out with some republican senators. Whether or not enough. Republican senators agreed to actually pass that expectation is that will be just one part of what congress passes the other stuff the stuff. Republicans won't vote for like the civilian climate core. These activists were demonstrating for today at the white house gates The station is that that stuff will be a second piece of legislation. That democrats will plan to pass their own votes alone if they need to whether or not any republicans sign on republicans. Excuse me independent. Senator bernie sanders of vermont Just lost our confirming that With our friend. Chris hayes here on. Msnbc president biden tonight published a new op. Ed on his infrastructure plans conceding. That the bipartisan deal. He made with those republicans. Quote is missing some critical initiatives on climate. Change that i proposed. He then said. Those climate initiatives are things that i intend to pass in the reconciliation. Bill by which he means that second bill that republicans won't support that democrats will try to pass on their own say so anyway we shall see anybody told you last week that there was a done deal and as a settled path forward in terms of how this infrastructure stuff gets passed With selling you a little bit of a bill of goods. There's lots still to get there. But democrats including the white house seemed to remain committed at this point that whatever they're able to get done with some republican support is great but even if all republicans say no they've got big other plans including the bulk of biden's climate agenda that they're going to try to pass on their own sort of happening in democratic politics. Right now it's interesting to see right to have a the democratic party. Hold the white house. Hold the house. Hold the senate narrow majorities in both houses of congress right but to see them nevertheless getting pushed not only by the progressives among their number groups like the congressional progressive caucus but also by outside groups on the progressive side of the spectrum. Saying we know you've got narrow margins we know we agree with you in broad strokes. But we're going to hold you to it and make you be more ambitious than you. Otherwise want to the dynamic right now on the democratic side of american politics on the other side of american politics meanwhile today the undisputed leader of the republican party had his lawyers meeting with new york prosecutors today trying to head off what his own lawyers and multiple news organizations now say will be a set of criminal charges brought against the former president's business by new york prosecutors the president already had his Trump university shut down by new york law enforcement. He then had his trump foundation. Has trump charity. Shut down by new york law enforcement now. It looks like it's his core business on thursday. At the end of last week trump's lawyers met with prosecutors to try to talk them out of filing criminal charges against the trump organization. That apparently did not work today. That reportedly met again The washington post reported over the weekend that prosecutors told trump organization lawyers that this meeting today would be their last chance that they couldn't persuade prosecutors today that they shouldn't bring charges then. The charges will go forward. Well that meeting in fact happened today and it doesn't seem like anything resolved former president trump today released a very upset statement about these developments seeming to implicitly confirmed that he knows his business is about to be indicted. He called prosecutors in the case which hunters. He accused them of prosecutorial misconduct. Even though no charges have yet been brought he said. This prosecution would be quote devastating for new york. To be honest. I think new york will probably be fine. The president's real estate company probably not fine. If they are in fact criminally indicted but but we shall see devastating for new york really after republicans in the us senate blocked the creation of a bipartisan expert. Independent commission to investigate the attack on the us capital on january sixth attack that sought to block the certification of the presidential election results. Today house speaker. Nancy pelosi made good on her promise to make sure. There is a thorough investigation into that attack. Anyway she tonight revealed legislation that would create a select committee to investigate the january six attack. Now congress of course has tons of standing committees That take a foreign affairs committee right the oversight committee. The judiciary committee have all sorts of standing committees. That take all all kinds of investigations. Enquiries all the time a select committee is actually a rare bird it means congress will create a new committee just for this purpose just to do this. Investigation will be made up of members of congress not outside experts but it will have a dedicated staff that will work just on this investigation. It's chair will have subpoena power to compel the production of evidence and to compel witness testimony. The republican leader in the house. Kevin mccarthy has refused to say whether he will even appoint any republicans to serve on such a committee. But we know tonight that pelosi will nevertheless press forward the structure she's planning on would be thirteen members of congress in total eight which she can appoint and five more that would be appointed in consultation with kevin mccarthy the republican leader so eight appointed by the democratic speaker five in effect appointed by the republicans plus. He's office though is raising the prospect when she makes her eight picks to put members on that committee she might pick one republican among her eight picks that would make the partisan balance on the january six committee not eight to five in favor of the democrat but a more balanced seven two six. Of course the question of whether a republican. Liz cheney or adam kim zinger would do it remains to be seen. They are two of the few republicans who have been steadfastly critical of the capital attack and trump's role in it but either of them accepting a seat on that committee a seat appointed by nancy. Pelosi that would be like i mean. I'd be like throwing a plugged in toaster into the standing partisan bathwater on capitol hill. But again we shall see and again that remains resolved as to whether or not republicans will allow any of their members to be appointed. Yeah i mean like this is a fraud issue or anything right that we deserve some clarity and closure on as a country it's not like there's continuing efforts afoot to promote the conspiracy theories and about the election that led to the january six attack in the first place. Right you will not be surprised to learn that. Former president trump this weekend used his first big rally since leaving office to talk about how he's not really the former president he in his mind is still the president. He told a crowd in ohio. This weekend quote. The twenty twenty presidential election was rigged won that election in a landslide. This was the scam century. This was the crime of the century. He said he would never stop fighting for the true results of the election. He praised what he called. The quote brave republican senators in the state of arizona for their so-called audit which they have been running into that states presidential election results saying he expects them to issue a report on their findings soon. He said that report will be quote a big deal and you know that that audit that they are doing in arizona if you want to call it that this tortuous inquisition into the ballots. Cast for president in arizona whatever's going on there with all their secret technology and their secret processes and their official pro trump media sponsor. That's allowed to broadcast stuff and other people aren't like whatever's going on there they do appear to be finally wrapping up. Whatever it is they have been doing last week. Had said they would be done by thursday but as we reported friday night they were still there. they in fact still appeared to be working away at the arizona. State fairgrounds there as of this morning But their lease on that space is up the day after tomorrow gotta make it gateway for a big gun show coming in next so they do appear to be clearing out now but in addition to former president trump hanging his whole fantasy of getting reinstated to the presidency on this inquisition in arizona. And whatever it is these cyber ninjas reading that position are going to announce which could be at any point. Now what is emerging about that this stunt in in arizona which trump world is is more and more focused on with all with which he with each passing day. What is emerging about it. Is that whatever. It's announced results are going to be. And however trump world is going to react when arizona says whatever. It was the results. Whatever it is. The results are of this process. And whatever else happens here. It does appear clear at this point that many figures in trump world have figured out how to make a ton of money off of this thing here for examples. Amend named patrick byrne his a pro-trump conspiracy theorist he had to leave his job. As ceo of overstock dot com. After it was revealed that he'd had an affair with a woman named maria bettina who was later convicted of being a russian agent. Patrick byrne wrote a book about election fraud. And how he how he thinks. The twenty twenty election was was stolen and he's of course made a bunch of money on that book he's now in addition to that made a movie about this supposed election fraud and he seems to be making a ton of money on that this movie stars all the whole cast of characters from the arizona audit debacle. They're all on camera explaining all the fantastical ways in which they're sure that the twenty twenty election was rigged in stolen from donald trump. But said they're making money on it because you look at other. They're distributing this thing just to watch a livestream of the premiere of this movie. You had to pay forty five dollars. You can also pay a minimum of five hundred dollars to license it and host your own screening of it. Patrick byrne is also now doing a pay to subscribe blog Where he just blogs about the election being stolen he's apparently according to calculations by the washington post on track to make about a million and a half dollars himself just from people subscribing to read his blog posts about his election conspiracy theories. I mean between the the book about the supposed election fraud and the movie that costs between forty five and five hundred dollars to watch about the supposed to election fraud and his to read my blog. Post thing about the election fraud do making enough money off of these claims for election fraud but he is now employing trump national security adviser and convicted felon. Mike flynn he employs like flynn to fulltime. Talk about the supposed that election fraud. That's his job nail and you know what the worst of all of this is for donald trump. None of that money is going to him. We'll have learned in this much time. That he hates it when people make money off him that he could be making remember. He told the republican party the republican national committee that they couldn't use his name or his likeness for republican party fundraising. He's the former republican president. But he had his lawyers on the rnc an actual cease and desist letter trying to get the republican party to not raise any money by invoking him or showing his picture because only he is allowed to do that. But sure enough. The washington post reports that according to several trump advisers he is quote annoyed at all the groups that are now raising money off of his rhetoric about the election being stolen but it really is so lucrative every worth their salt is drawn to this arizona circus or wherever the next fake audit is going to be and once the audit has become you know just a money making thing because however much trump is hanging on it it's not actually going to get him reinstated as president once. It's just something that's designed to rile people up enough that. They're willing to be parted from their money. And that becomes the not just sort of side here but the main purpose of what's going on here as that has increasingly taken over in terms of what's happening in arizona. They're increase increasingly zero qualms about just going full hardcore conspiracy theory even beyond the pale of stuff that might be conceivably marketed to even a mainstream republican audience. They've been going hard core for example on the cunanan conspiracy theory in recent days so In the new movie about the arizona audit the new movie. That detrick bernie. Making all this money off of. There's mike flynn appearing in the movie wearing a q. On bracelet And there was a guy being introduced before the movie launch of this weekend in arizona who's being marketed as the new q. Literally he thinks he's cue from cunanan he. He claims that he can time travel and his future self is sending messages to him back in time so that present day him can reveal the truth which sounds crazy but q. Can do it. He also happens to be recently out of prison which you would think his future self would have warned him about so as to avoid becoming imprisoned but oh well the q. Works in mysterious ways. They're all just sort of unabashed about it in terms of how far out there they're getting me to make this new era zona audit. The election was stolen movie. They really did hire. The guy who's last movie was based on the claim that it was aliens that did nine eleven. Last movie was a did nine. Eleven current movie is trump's going to be reinstated this president because of the arizona audit. Apparently his next movie is going to be about the guy who says he's q. Who says he's traveled here from the future to warn himself about the election being stolen but not to weren't himself about what going to jail. Here's the thing. Apparently no matter how crazy out there this stuff is getting. And it's an interesting question as to the former presidents mental state as to whether or not he really believes this is going to reinstate him as president or whether he's just writing this the griff now too. But however we're this getting arizona. Republicans really are right there for it. They are all in the guy. The arizona state senate republicans hired to lead the audit. Actually run run the audit the head of cyber ninjas the i they said they hired to perform a nonpartisan objective fair recount of the twenty twenty ballots. He's in the new conspiracy. Theory movie made by the aliens. Did nine eleven guy. i mean there. He was in the movie on saturday. Night talking about how. The cia has been running a disinformation effort around election. Fraud or something. He was hired by the president of the arizona. State senate republican arizona. State senator karen fan. She said over and over again that she doesn't necessarily believe the election was stolen. The audit she launched his not about trump's not about overturning. The two thousand twenty election is just about restoring voter confidence and elections. But guess what. This weekend senator. Karen fan herself attended. The big launch event in phoenix for the new election was stolen conspiracy theory movie. She in a bunch of her fellow arizona. Republican state senators there in person the arizona senate president one of the highest ranking republican elected officials in the state at the event lending her authority to this crazy cunanan. On thing things are getting wild in arizona and we could find out what the supposed results are that they have come up with any day now they appeared to actually finally be stopping. Doing whatever it was they were doing and calling their audit. But here we are. I mean life on earth one where president biden is trying to pass an infrastructure bill. And he's getting pressured from young activists on the left to make sure it's ambitious on climate. While not coincidentally the planet cooks like it has never cooked before life on earth. One where democrats won a a bipartisan review of the violence at the capitol after we blew the peaceful transition of power for the first time in our nation's history right life life on earth. One is hard enough right now. 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A number of people who've been covering that arizona audit were struck by the familiar sound of one of the voices someone credited in the trailer as anonymous and and shielded from view in the trailer nevertheless sounded an awful lot like a man named doug logan who is the head of cyprian inches duck logan and cyber ninjas that's the company performing these supposedly non-partisan objective audit in arizona. Why would that guy be featured in an insane conspiracy theory queueing on movie about the audit made by a guy who usually makes movies about aliens taking over. The earth doesn't seem like a good look for people interested in defending the quality of the audit rate reporter for the arizona. Mirror named jared mcdonnell d. Voire who has been doing some of the most granular reporting on what's happening in arizona. He started tracking the evolution of that trailer for that film as the filmmakers apparently kept trying to change the voice and replaced bits of the trailer. So people wouldn't know that the guy actually running the arizona audit participated in this conspiracy. Theory cunanan jason film was weird but this weekend that reporter went to the premiere of this new film and it was no longer secret. They're no longer trying to disguise his voice or spot shadow him or keep him in silhouette when they finally showed the movie this weekend. The guy running the arizona on it is proudly revealed as an enthusiastic source for this crazy pants movie. A majority of republican voters across the country. Believe that the election was stolen from donald trump. This ridiculous exercise and arizona is their best source of hope for believing that and it is crazy enough to be looking at that from across the country knowing that this is the long weird tale of the last presidency but from close up from close up covering it from arizona. It's definitely even crazier Joining us now is jared mcdonald ego. He's a reporter at the arizona mirror his coverage of the zona audit and the character surrounding. It has really been indispensable for understanding. What's happening there. mr mcdowell. Thank you very much for being with us. I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you the immune. Is this Exercise in arizona. Over or it's been a little bit hard to tell. We thought they might be wrapping up last week. Could seems like maybe now. They're wrapping up now. Well honestly it's hard to tell it's been very much. Moving target from the gecko When it comes to this audit a lot of things are constantly changing when it comes to the procedures or when it's going to wrap up i mean earlier this year. We were told that you know things would end at a certain time but then things got extended again. You know we saw what happened to win. You know the The we had issues with the lease and what happened when graduations happened and there was kind of hubbub. That happened there so when it comes to this audit. Nothing's kind of a lot of things are always kind of air. We never really quite know what's going to happen is for us. Reporters here in arizona always keeps us on our toes of what's going to happen but as far as we know from official channels. We've been told that it's going to be wrapping up in has ended here soon and they finished accounting and they finishing up. What's called this paper. Examinations portion of of the audit. We have seen That it has been sort of a hallmark. there have been route. Repeated touchstones among those who believe in the president's conspiracy theories around the election that the election was stolen him or that. There was some sort of fraud that nobody's been able to prove. But that was definitely there We've seen these films happened. We saw mike lindell do a film and then do another film. There's definitely a whole universe of youtube devoted to this stuff but there was also this new film that was premiered in arizona in phoenix this weekend which seemed to have unusual access to the audit itself. i will say reading your coverage of it today. The thing that was most surprising to me was to learn that the state senate president and other republican lawmakers were there. it seemed like Sort of something. That would be more for the like die hard true believer rabble rather than for the officials that are going to have to be defending whatever. The results of this audit is pretty soon. It was a little surprising to see that there were some lawmakers there but at the same time it wasn't some lawmakers that were there like represented mark finchem and sunny borelli have been very involved in a lot of this what i would call alternative media. That is out there. We have a lot of that here. In arizona this alternative media that some of it has become d platform or has had issues because of the the election fraud issues that they've spread or the the qn on issues that they've spread finchem galley there. They frequently appear on a lot of all right channels and all right or alternative media type q. On channels for example re represented finchem was on a a channel called Red pill. I believe seventy six. It's a channel that is a primarily dedicated to on content for the most part and is spread. A lot of unfounded conspiracy theories around the arizona audit like saying that there was a spy plane that was sent by biden to spy on arizona's audit but it was actually a phoenix. Police plane had nothing to do with audit was circling nowhere near the audit. But that was that was a show that the finchem appeared on so for for people who've been following a lot of these lawmakers very closely. It wasn't incredibly surprising to see that they did show up at this event. Considering the it hit on a lot of the the key you know fraud claims that a lot of these lawmakers have been bolstering to to their Their supporting ranks In the past few months jared as as things have gotten weirder like those kind of allegations that you were just describing biden sending a spy plane famously. The hunt for bamboo fighter fibers in the paper. The the the more outlandish unbelievable and in some cases laughable claim that have under girded this supposed need for the audit and the things. They're investigating as things have gotten weirder and weirder has that undercut the seriousness with which republicans are treating this or the anticipation in republican circles. As to what these supposed- audit is going to find. I mean usually in rationalist terms when stuff gets weird. You expect it to To appeal to a smaller base in this case. I can't quite tell if that's happening or not an arizona. Say yes and no. There are subsets of of conservative belief. Out here in arizona that that some of that as evidence of further wrongdoing of further. You know You know evidence of there being You know wrong issues in the election. They see it as further evidence to support that there. Is you know something going on. Nefarious going on in the election or something nefarious going on in the audit or or the people in the orbit of the audit but then there are republicans that have been coming out and saying no. This is not right. We're seeing a lot of you. Know misinformation and disinformation there have been republicans. Have spoken out like you know. Very publicly and and Such as maricopa county recorder stephen richer or the board of supervisors which is mainly report. Maricopa county board of supervisors which is mainly republican. They've come out very strongly against that. And that has been a big sticking point between the arizona senate. They've been fighting back and forth between the arizona. The maricopa county board of supervisors which is primarily republican. See do you have this kind of divide between Types of republicans within the state who some no matter what happens they see it as some sort of evidence towards more fraud or you have others. That are kind of saying enough is enough with with some of this stuff does feel like at times a little bit of something that tends toward mass hysteria. This idea that any any countervailing evidence is just more evidence. For how right you are. I i will tell you just covering this from the outside. I do find your work in the work of your colleagues at the mirror. The mirror and arizona republican some other Outlets to have been incredibly valuable. I also know that you guys have been working triple time in order to keep the the country informed as to what's been going on there and it has been hard to follow and it's a challenge so just want to thank you and commend you in the mirror and all your colleagues for doing all this hard work jared. It's it's the country. Needs you and you guys are doing great work. The really appreciate that. Thank you very much. All right jared. Mcconnell decoy is a reporter at the arizona mirror Again i will say. Part of me doesn't even want to anticipate let alone sort of a talk about the fact that there's going to be some results announced about the arizona audit because i mean they've been there. You know basically playing with toe jam for all these weeks and we don't know like there's no reason to believe that there's going to be any actual information anything real that comes out of this audit however we have to pay attention to that just as a benchmark for the country because when they came out and they inevitably say oh yeah was the chinese and the aliens and the people out to get mike flynn all like rigged the election for trump. It's going to have an impact in trump world because trump voters trump's supporters and certainly people around the president himself Want to believe that there was something wrong with the twenty twenty election. And whatever comes out of this garbage process and arizona will be seized on to start a whole new chapter and i'm trying to sell the country and the fact that joe biden wasn't legitimately elected having to pay attention to. This is both infuriating. It's sort of enervating. But also i think prudent because it's this is not getting any less nuts over time. All right we got much more to get to here tonight. Stay with us in side. Florida makeshift memorials springing. Up now people lost and the people still missing since thursday when a part of a twelve storey condo complex collapsed. No warning one hundred thirty six total units in the building fifty five of them crumbled within seconds in the middle of the night family members have been posting photos of their missing loved. Ones hoping someone has seen them hoping they somehow weren't in that building. When it came down today is day five since the collapse and the search for survivors continues desperately but with more bad news tonight for all of the families and all of the people who are worried about those who they haven't heard from authorities announced tonight that another victim has been pulled from the rubble that makes it a total of people who are now confirmed dead in the building collapse even more horrifying than that. Though is the total number of people still unaccounted for. Even with eleven people known to have been killed. There are another one hundred fifty persons. Still unaccounted for and that prospect. That the unaccounted for number may soon become something approaching. Death toll is almost impossible to get your head around rescue. Crews on site are systematically going through the massive piles of rubble and the hopes of finding life. Work has been delayed by rain by fires on site by the imminent threat of further. Collapse of the remaining parts of the building. Teams have tunneled into the site. They've used dogs and sonar and specialized cameras. There's some mexico and israel that are part of the search teams that are skilled at finding survivors of catastrophes. The core mystery though Alongside the tragedies of course what caused the building to collapse and it's still speculation but it's speculation that will be at the heart of ongoing investigations. The discussion right now focusing on an inspection report from three years ago from two thousand eighteen or local engineer warned about quote major structural damage below the pool area at the condo complex and quote abundant cracking and other parts of the building. The engineer's report said failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially again identifying bad concrete deterioration. Already saying failure to do major repairs would cause the concrete deterioration to spread. the report. Also said that the waterproofing had been laid on a flat structure which hadn't been slow to drain calling it a major error by the developers by the builders. The engineer added that this was causing major structural damage to the concrete structural slab below these areas. Again this was all from twenty eighteen in black and white off quite explicit and quite urgent surviving residents of that tower that collapsed told nbc news. They never heard about any of this. In fact residents say town officials told them in two thousand eighteen meeting that the building was quote. Not in bad shape now is from surf. Site florida is patricia. She's miami bureau chief for the new york times. She's been covering the story since the very beginning. This say. thank you so much for taking time to talk to us tonight. I know this is exhausting. Story happy to be here to tell people stories about it helped me understand where we are in the process. The thing that is gut wrenching. Here is not only the known loss of life already but the very large number of people who remain unaccounted for and the fact that this is day five obviously the first seventy two hours is seen as sort of golden period sort of best window for hopes of finding people. Alive defy it is starting to feel like a very very scary situation. Yeah i think over the weekend especially after the sort of initial frustration from the families about not knowing exactly what was happening. They were able to see a close. They were taken to as close to the site as they could get to witness the search efforts themselves and they saw the hundreds of people who are working near the pile they saw this labyrinth of tunnels machinery. That is now working there. And they were able to sort of have a private moment their degree. So i think that has led to officials starting to ease them into the idea as horrible as it. Is that that. This is going to be a long painstaking process. And what they might find our human remains but that it's going to be very very difficult rescue workers. I've spoken to talk about just the enormity of it being very different from anything. They've had to work before in terms of the number of possible fatalities and they describe really harrowing situations where they find one floor just barely a couple of feet from another floor. You know normally there would be about ten feet between the ceiling and the floor of one story the building and now we're talking about maybe two feet one foot of spacing so it's just really terrible everything. We hear coming out of the site. Can you tell us a little bit about how officials arrives at this. As i said this sort of terrifying number that there may be as many as one hundred fifty people who are unaccounted for now. Five days into this. How confident are they in number. Obviously it looms as a theoretical potential death toll when this is all over they still call it a very fluid number. They have not been willing to release the names on it because they fear. It's not entirely correct yet. They've depended on families to come forward and report their loved ones missing and file a formal paperwork saying that. And so the question is you know. There's a big international community in south florida. have they reached. Everybody who might be abroad in. Other countries are their language barriers. But it's really been a process of relying on the families to come forward and just yesterday they were saying they didn't think they had heard from all the families of the missing yet and they wanted their information. They wanted their dna to be swabbed so that they could make comparisons with any remains that they find so it's sort of a slow process and one that they don't have complete confidence in being completely correct. I think we we would all love to think that a lot of these people are sort of on vacation somewhere and not following the news. But i don't know that that's the case. In terms of the ongoing efforts the rescue and recovery efforts it's been interesting to see international teams come in teams from other countries and teams from around the united states that have specialized expertise specialized equipment. Can you give us any sense of how dangerous the rescue and recovery efforts are obviously these are specialized teams and they know what they're doing but some of the the pace of it. I think it obviously like you said they've gotten enormous. The enormity of the task is daunting but are they themselves at risk for potential further collapse while they're on on site on the pile that was of particular concern early on it still is but early on. They really had no idea what they were facing. And they were going through the bottom through these tunnels because they thought that that was the best chance that they would have to find what they call voids which are empty spaces where they might find life and so they started at the bottom drilling through bit by bit and shoring up the concrete. So that the rescue workers themselves wouldn't be injured. We did here today. Which is a frightening thought of one of the rescue workers. Sort of falling down the mountain. Twenty feet We were also told there were no serious injuries. But these teams travel with trauma surgeons in large part to protect the workers because it is very dangerous. They don't know if there's going to be a secondary collapse and when there were those conditions of fire and thunderstorms and rain and sort of things. That could destabilize the pile. That was extra concern. Patricia miami bureau chief for the new york times has been covering this for these last few days. Just absolutely wrenching story. Thanks for giving us some context. Thanks for helping us understand. Thanks for having me all right. We've got much more ahead. Here's this monday nights stay. What's the story struck a nerve last week when we covered it. I just wanted to give you an update tonight. The name of the last pro democracy newspaper in hong kong is apple daily as china has started closing an iron fist around hong kong and in particular around pro democracy forces in hong kong. The free press. They're has paid a very dramatic price and last week. Apple daily was forced to shut down. Police officers raided apple daily's offices they froze the papers assets so they couldn't pay their staff. They couldn't pay for operations but then the police started arresting the staff of the newspaper. Five executives at apple daily and a columnist were rounded up thrown in jail amid that increasingly impossible pressure. That last newspaper announced that they were shutting down for good. They published their last issue on thursday. We covered that here on the show. People in hong kong woke up before dawn to stand in line at newsstands to grab a copy for their last issue apple daily printed instead of their usual like eighty thousand copies. They've printed a million copies. They were all sold out across the city before nine. Am the last print edition of the last pro democracy independent newspaper in that great city. And it's a obviously an upsetting story for democracy for freedom of the press for creeping authoritarianism around the world it's especially horrible for all the journalists who worked who felt the only way to stop their colleagues from getting thrown in jail was to stop printing the newspaper and go out of business but apparently even that was not enough last night a senior journalist who used to write for apple daily before it shut down last week was trying to board a plane to leave hong kong trying to board a plane from hong kong to london. He was arrested in the airport. Police say they arrested him for conspiring to collude with foreign countries or foreign sources to endanger national security that crime new crime in china that this new crime that the pro china government has been using to crackdown on pro-democracy forces of all kinds in hong kong. That is a crime that is punishable by up to life in prison. Hong kong journalists association. Put out this statement. Today quote we reiterate that freedom of speech and freedom of the press are both hongkong core values if the writers penn is forbidden hong kong will hardly be regarded as an international city. The pro democracy paper he wrote for does not exist anymore but they arrested him anyway as he was trying to leave the country presumably just to show that they could. This was the headline over it at bloomberg this weekend. When it happened quote fear grips other hong kong media. It crushes apple daily. Watch this space. If you're wondering why sales of pepco biz mo are up at a bodega. Just outside the kremlin. It's because the ukraine ukraine and nato have just launched really big military drills together In the black sea these drills are called seabreeze twenty twenty one But don't let the wine cooler name full you They're expected to last about two weeks. Involve about five thousand military personnel from the us ukraine and nato member countries about forty aircraft about thirty warships taking part in these drills among them. The us The uss ross which is a guided missile destroyer. The navy says these exercises will focus on things like amphibious warfare. Land maneuver warfare. Air defense anti-submarine warfare. Now the us ukraine have been doing joint military exercises somewhat like this since nine hundred ninety seven but they have never before done anything at this scale In a tweet today the. Us and ukraine said quote seabreeze. 2021 is nothing new except that the number of countries is bigger than ever and these scenarios are more complex. Ukraine says that they're taking part in these drills with all this manpower all this machinery to gain experience in these kinds of joint activities but the subtext is clear. Ukraine wants to join nato and ukraine having a close alliance with the united states and with nato also sends a very clear message to russia as you would expect. Moscow is feeling quite dick over these exercises. The russian defense ministry said that they will react if necessary to protect their own national security last week. The russian embassy in dc called for these exercises to be cancelled but they are going ahead starting today for the next two weeks. Watch this space. That's going to do it for us tonight. We will see you again tomorrow. Night at nine eastern on msnbc.

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FBI asks Jan. 6 suspect about ties to Congress, extremists groups

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FBI asks Jan. 6 suspect about ties to Congress, extremists groups

"Tonight on all in. I want to thank my friend. Ralph reed for those overly generous words. I'm deeply humbled by them. Mike pence heckled by his own party faithful as new video emerges of the violence that the capital on january six and the fbi starts questioning insurrectionists about their connections with members of congress then as the bogus arizona audit starts to wrap up the republican fight against voting rights expands across the country. Up taking a look at all these new state laws are designed to suppress the vote. Aurore is rallying for voters in texas and he joins me live tonight plus community holidays. Do we walk. What's the magic number eleven do. We won't twenty barely a day old in the attacks against the juneteenth. Federal holiday have already begun when all starts right now he'd evening from washington dc. I'm linda maxwell. In for chris hayes. There is breaking news tonight out of the district court in washington. Dc we now know that at least one suspect in january six riot is being questioned by the fbi about potential ties to any right wing extremist groups or members of congress. Nbc news is obtained a transcript of the interview. The fbi conducted back in february with a former nypd. Officer named tom webster. He's facing multiple charges in connection with his of the capital that day. And take a look at this line of questioning quote. Have you heard or seen anything in the area about any of the militia groups that have been on the news like the proud boys. The three percenters the oath keepers. Do you have any connections to in congress or any congressional staff or any capital police. The reporter who obtained that transcript will join me shortly but first one of the most frightening aspects of what happened at the capitol on january six. Is that the mob stormed the building and attack any officers who got in their way but they were actually coming for our elected leaders. They tore through the capital looking for specific members of congress. Some riders broke into speaker. Nancy pelosi's office. This image here shows a man putting his feet up on the desk of one of policies. Aides only coming in the capital for democrats. The mob was also looking for donald. Trump's owned vice president they chanted. Hang mike pence because he would go along with trump's plan to steal the election. Remember vice president. Pence had to be whisked away by secret service to a secure location when riders got dangerously. Close to the senate floor. That's where he was presiding over the electoral vote count and it seems like some members of the party of are still kind of angry with mike pence calling him a traitor when he took the stage at the faith and freedom summit in florida. Today i wanna thank my friend ralph reed for those overly generous words deeply humbled by them. Ralph reed knows me well enough to know the introduction. I prefers a little bit short. I'm a christian conservative and a republican in that order. And i am honored to stand before you today more than five months since that awful day and it is still not over more video. Evidence of the horror that happened is still coming out. Today the justice department released new video at the request of nbc news and other news organizations showing a trump supporter scott fair lamb taunting and then assaulting and officer outside of the capitol. You see him here in the camouflage jacket a warning that this footage is extremely disturbing. Got along you won't road. Scott fair lamb has been charged with twelve. Criminal counts including assaulting and officer and carrying a dangerous weapon in the capital and there is another new video also released by the government at the request of news organizations this one showing that same former. Nypd officer was questioned by the fbi about his ties to extremist groups or congress brawling with cops on january six. He's the man and the red jacket and again. This video is disturbing to watch chris. Important off so as the evidence continues to come out day after day and the big lie reigns supreme in the republican party. Threat of the insurrection continues and is still out there. And it is not going away. I wanna begin tonight with the breaking news that the fbi has been questioning at least one of the people charged in the capital riot about his possible connections to members of congress investigative reporter who got his hands on that transcript is scott macfarlane of nbc news four in washington and he joins me now. What have you found is a good evening. Let's start with that. Latest video and those videos are tough to watch and tough to listen to as well the audio so a role so vista role the feds say the most recent video shows thomas webster of new york a retired. Nypd officer a former us marine. So they they're showing in his video. They say a police officer attacking another police officer. He's pleaded not guilty but he is jailed pending trial. But we've got a copy of the fbi interview with thomas webster sixty one pages in a few things stand out and you mentioned a few of the top lines. They he was questioned about any potential ties to the oath. That three percents of the proud boys the far right groups that are at the epicenter of this sprawling january six investigation but he was also questioned about whether he knew any members of congress and congressional staff or any capital police to questions he said no but a former federal prosecutor. Here in dc says that is indicative of an investigation into possible possible complicity by members of congress. The former federal prosecutor causes a very significant set of questions by the fbi. Are lena the answer to all of them from this defendant was no but it's hard to believe they weren't asking other defendants as well. Well that's actually my next question. Is this something the fbi is just asking mister webster or does it seem like this is a standard line of questioning that they utilize for anyone that they're questioning who was involved in january six without any equivocation the focal point the most serious charges in this investigation or against the oath keepers the three percenters and the proud boys. They're accused of conspiracy of plotting and planning ahead of january. Six of having in some cases encrypted communications having radio devices military gear. No surprise at all. They'd be asking defendants if they have any knowledge of or links to those far right groups. Those are the most serious charges now about members of congress. This obviously a lot of talk about what did members of congress now seems intuitive to ask questions about it. It's noteworthy this defendant said no but we don't know yet what the other defendants have been asked. We haven't yet seen their transcripts. It's early in the fbi also was asking about members of congress and congressional staff. Obviously there has been reporting about some members of congressional staff potentially taking eventual rioters on tours. What we know about The questions that are being posed to these folks about ties to members of congress. Is that something. That's coming up a lot. Is it just for mr webster. So far just for mr webster in part. Because that's the only transcript we've seen in. His answer was no the former federal prosecutor. Here in dc says. It's likely the feds have phone records for a number of these defendants. So if there were calls anybody who's under that umbrella of suspicion feds may know it already so getting the question on the records. Important just to check the veracity of defendants so get. It'd be no surprise if we saw that question asked about defendants but we do know it was asked this defendant thomas webster of orange county new york. The other question is ties to capitol. Police officers is that something. That's also being included in standard questioning for folks or was that specific mr webster. That seems interesting considering he is in. Nypd nypd officer himself parallel. He's a former police officer. What's more leaves a former city hall based police officer during the rudy giuliani administration in new york city and sometime before and sometime after former mayor. Giuliani on there. Is that question. Your former police. What can you tell us about police. But something else jumped out. And this this record. They asked him about what they say is showing them video striking officer and he says the officer appeared to instigate it that day. Pushing blame back at the police officer. He's accused of attacking the flagpole with his fists and then toppling over. It's a striking defense. We'll see what happens when he appears in court next week to try to secure his release from jail. Well we will stay glued to your excellent reporting scott macfarlane. Thank you so much for being here. It's really terrific reporting. Please stay safe for more on the ongoing extremist threat in the wake of the capital attack. I'm joined now by. Cynthia miller idris director of the polarization and extremism research innovation lab at american university and the author of hate in the homeland. The new global far-right and she joins me. Now cynthia do you think that the insurrection is still happening. Is this an ongoing threat. In your view. I think we definitely have an ongoing threat in the country and even globally. I mean i wouldn't you know i don't know why would call the this particular insurrection continuing Beyond that event but certainly the anti-government sentiment anti-democratic sentiment the vulnerability. Disinformation too propaganda. Is still there. So i think it's a mistake to think of this as the end of something whereas the combination of something for rather on an arc And we don't quite know yet what the future holds but we. I think it's very clear that the threat is still strong and still out there. Are we prepared for this threat or another attack. I think that that's that's really the question of the hour. I think that the we're we're much more prepared now than we were six months ago as a country. I think there is better awareness. Among law enforcement there certainly better awareness among the administration among the security agencies about the nature of the threat. We have a new national security Plan that was issued this week by the biden administration. That really lays out a plan to tackle this in four pillars That that is going to change. The trajectory of how the country has dealt with domestic violent extremism. So we're certainly better equipped than we were six months ago. But i wouldn't say that we're on top of the threat yet. And one of the threats that i think is a little bit different than the capital attack which is individual politicians and their personal safety. The trump folks. They're really mad at mike pence. They're still angry at mike pence and so you see them. Yelling trader and i feel like individual politicians. Who are the targets of this anger. Are they endanger. How do we diffuse the threat posed by those who believe in and keep repeating the big lie about the election being stolen when it wasn't. I think what you saw today is that it's very difficult to put the genie back in the bottle. Once that's been released and we have been seen globally the assassination of appro migrant politician in germany last year the assassination in the uk of a politician who was pro migrant the threats. The plots were foiled against the michigan and virginia governor's. So we've already been seeing this trajectory of threats against elected officials. And i think this is very consistent with that with that rising anti-government anti establishment kind of threat in addition to the Persistent white supremacist extremists. Threat that we have been seeing for many years. You just wrote an essay for the atlantic arguing that extremism has spread into the mainstream and needs to be treated like a public health issue. I remember back to two thousand. Sixteen hillary clinton at the hiring of steve bannon talked about the emboldening of white nationalist and extremist elements within the right. What's the best way to fight against this. I think it has to start with the very first step. Which is recognizing that. This isn't a problem that can only be dealt with through a law enforcement insecurity lens that that is always a band aid solution that that by seeing this as the problem of defined fringe groups. We really miss the vulnerabilities in the mainstream to propaganda. Disinformation too online manipulation. So we really need a deeper public health type approach that invests in communities that helps people understand what online manipulation looks like. What persuasive extremist tactics like scapegoating fearmongering look like and so then they build their own counterarguments to that and are able to resist it. So it's equipping the mainstream with resilience rather than just focusing on risk and security. So we're in a new administration and they have a different approach to extremists. So let's take a look at what the biden administration has said about this threat of domestic extremists. We are very focused on domestic violent extremism. It is the greatest threat terrorist related threat that we face in our homeland. We are very focused on it. I will highlight the work. Our department is undertaking to combat the most significant and immediate terrorism related threat to our homeland. Which is the threat posed by domestic violent extremism. I consider it. And i think we consider it collectively. The most significant terrorism related threat impacting the homeland time. And you've said the fbi is better prepared than they were six months ago but are they doing enough to combat future threats. I think that they're not doing enough as an administration to the extent that we're not broadening this the the equipping beyond the law enforcement insecurity so we really need to see department of education health and human services mental health counselors teachers parents communities be equipped in addition to law enforcement and security and intelligence agents If we're going to interrupt the threat in a way that makes a real difference in the long term long term is always on my mind. Professor cynthia miller address. Thank you so much for being here and helping us understand this ongoing threat. Please stay safe. Remember how much. Donald trump tried to con black people in voting for him. Remember the feeling you got as a kid getting tucked in a bid or the feeling you get now arms of somebody you love safe and secure. It's a feeling of security. 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I'd say nobody can. Nobody can dispute. It was just patently ridiculous at the time and now a new book reveals what trump really thought about black voters as the republican party redoubles their efforts to squash the vote. Baidoa work is launching a counter-offensive to that and he joins me next. Look what do you have to lose your living in poverty. Your schools are no good. You have no jobs. Fifty eight percent of your youth is unemployed. What held you have to lose. And at the end of four years. I guarantee you that i will get over ninety five percent of the african american vote. I promise you. Donald trump at least pretended to court black voters when he was running for president in two thousand sixteen but a new book by the wall street. Journal's michael bender reveals this cynical nature of donald trump's outreach to black voters. I've done all this stuff. Where the blacks. You said the blacks. That's a quote. It's always jared telling me to do this trump said to one confidante on father's day and they all f ing hate me and none of them are going to vote for me and they didn't vote for him in two thousand sixteen or in two thousand twenty. That might not have something to do that. Might have something to do. With the fact that republicans are always trying to suppress black and latinx next boats including in places like texas where last month democrats walked off the house floor to block passage of the voter suppression bill former congressman beta o'rourke is the founder of powered by people major grassroots organization in texas mobilizing democratic voters. They're holding voting rights. Rally in austin this sunday at the steps of texas capital and he joins me now. Thank you so much for being here. Tonight is lena. It's great to be with you and thank you for mentioning that democracy voting rights rally at the texas capitol this sunday at five thirty. This is a great opportunity for texans to stand up and be counted and try to stop that voter suppression. You were just telling your viewers about that is raging across this country and nowhere more so than in texas where you have the the worst levels of voter suppression in the country. You have seven hundred and fifty polling place closures for example the last eight years of voter. Id law that particularly targets minorities in this state. Any gerrymander of our state was described as a racial gerrymander by three judge. Federal panel on top of that they want to end souls to the polls or sunday morning. Boating they wanna make those just a disclose their personal private medical information in order to vote early and then most alarmingly texas wants to reserve the right to overturn future elections simply based on the allegation of fraud. So this is ground zero in this fight. And that's why we want so many folks to come out join us and make sure that our state lawmakers and in those senate democrats in the us capitol heroes loud and clear in past voting rights legislation. Like the for the people act. It could not be more important. And this is a state that understands that s in texas was already one of the hardest places to cast a ballot and you just laid out there so many aspects of this new piece of legislation that will make it even more difficult. In terms of the organizers organizing. You're doing on the ground. What do you hope to gain out of a protest on sunday. And what message are you trying to send to those in power about blocking access to a new demographic votes the pressure that people can bring to bear is really powerful. We've already seen lena. Some of the state republican lawmakers who voted for sp seven elections voter suppression bill in regular session disavow provision of it. They've said didn't mean to to cancel. Sunday morning boating. And they didn't know that what they voted for would allow them to overturn elections. And i don't think it's because they suddenly got religion on issue. I think it's because they're hearing from their constituents. A republicans and democrats alike are outraged that they would be stopped from voting through this As jim hightower calls it a theft of of our elections so if we show up in numbers large enough not only. Can we stop the next attempt to do this in a special session texas. But i hope that we can give president biden in those Senate democrats song encouragement to get the job done on for the people act because much as lyndon johnson in nineteen sixty five needed to be able to pass the voting rights act of that year to create a true multiracial democracy in america and did so in large part because he was pressured to do so by civil rights and voting rights leaders across the country in fact began his speech to congress. That you're by referencing. John lewis marched across the pettus bridge. We need to get out there in person and in public no more tweeting and facebook and colin folks. Got up demonstrate. And i think that's what moves things in this country. At least that's what it's done as what's done the job is stored so yeah. I think it can work. And the alternative is to sit home in despair and that will lead to anything. Generally organisers aren't very cynical. They're optimists and they're like okay. We're going to get to work. That's how they that's how they will Texas is one of the states in america that has seen very dramatic demographic shifts and those are related to the voter suppression bills. They're directly linked because america be minority white electorate by twenty five according to pew research. Do you think this new wave of voter suppression bills is essentially republicans. Admitting that these demographic shifts are not in their favor and so they want you block the ballot box for those who are less likely to vote for republicans you hit the nail on the head that that's exactly what's happening in texas so i i mentioned a racial gerrymander of our state. What that means is that there's a good chance if you're black or brown texas you've been moved out of given congressional district diminish the impact power of your vote or the likelihood that you would vote at all and so much of sb seven. The elections bill that was debated recently in texas is targeted at harris county. Houston texas which zelina is. The most diverse city in the united states of america is those voters that they're trying to stop from casting that ballot and having their their voices heard in. So we've got to overcome that. And we gotta overcome that. I stopping these ills by pushing voting rights legislation and then in texas. There are two million eligible but unregistered voters so masking my fellow texans to get certified as volunteer. Deputy registrars vcr's which allows you to register eligible voters in your county. We bring those two million onto the roles than the system remains richt and the deck's stacked will still by the numbers have a chance to win election so that that's our insurance policy but first step is stopped. The depression impasse voting rights legislation. Like the for the people act before the. Us senate right now beta work. Thank you so much for taking the time out on this friday night. Please stay safe coming up. The final days of the month long effort to money the presidential election in arizona. What we know and still don't know about the people behind it next. The fraudulent audit of arizona ballots from the two thousand and twenty presidential election has been going on for nearly two months and is supposedly nearing its conclusion and audit spokesman says there are an estimated sixty braille ballots left account and the auditors are in the process of finding braille reading staff to count them but even two months in there is still a lot. We do not know about the people running this scam. Even as republicans across the country are making trips to arizona trying to import their own. Sketchy audits back home. Adrian says the former maricopa county recorder which helps organize elections in the county. He will be a twenty twenty two candidate for arizona's secretary of state and he joins me now adrian. A new report seems to imply that doug logan the ceo of cyber ninjas is just the only ninja. There's one one ninja He's the he's the only one doug on. Recent calls to the company's automated answer lining pressing free for sales led to the answering message for logan so did pressing four for human resources and pressing for purchasing and six for the general mailbox. It all went to doug. He's just there's just one ninja at this point. How do we avoid this circus popping up in battleground states across the country nutrition h could shoot again Thanks for having me. And i don't know how we avoid it other than making sure that we get as many people registered in as many people voting across the country for cannons. Were not going to buy into this nonsense for candidates who are not going to be consumed by the sadness of one sore loser. Candidates in at an elected officials were going to believe in truth gonna believe in their fellow. Americans republicans democrats independents alike. Who are actually the ones who run these elections in the first place and does not get mixed up in all of this snake. Oil sales in folks like this mr logan. Whoever else is promoting this nonsense. We need solid people with integrity with honor with experience Running our elections. And we gotta make sure that americans are well educated about these systems as well we we. We've got tough ronin fighting against it has never been easy so how you fight against the ignorance that obviously is spreading because what's happening in arizona with the cyber ninja. It's now being exported to other states. You had officials from pennsylvania In georgia they're trying to manufacture something similar advice for any of the election officials in those states for how to avoid a circus. Like we've seen in maricopa county. Well i think the most important thing to do is speak the truth. Speak it loudly. And don't be ashamed. Don't be afraid to call out the traders who performed an armed insurgency against the constitution of the united states on january six. Don't be afraid to call on the live. it is a lie. Don't be afraid to talk about the great work that you and your folks across the united states of america have done. Elections officials across our entire country have shelford incredible work hours. Threatening many cases says the brennan center in bipartisan policy center. Put out there that report this past week. There's all kinds of things that election administrators like myself have suffered recently and it doesn't matter what party you're in we've got to stand together. Reasonable people of all political stripes against this rising neo-fascism this rising authoritarianism. That will not believe in the truth unless it comes from the mouth of one person and that's wrong it is anti american and we've got a call it out for what it is. We must be strong enough to advocate and to protect our democracy. One of the things that scariest about these voter suppression bills is not just blocking access to the voter on the front end but the change in policies on the back end after the election. You recently announced that you're running for secretary of state in your view. How critically important is that role in maintaining the integrity of our democratic process in the context of some of these bills including Items that strip away the power of these positions look. The officer's secretary of state is no more important than the office of county recorder. No more important than the election director may be appointed by boards of supervisors or county commissioners across the united states of america every level lever every level of this entire machine works together We worked together with secretary. Hobbs We've worked together with other folks across arizona and across the united states of america. We all have important jobs to do now. Secretaries of state are that much more important because this stuff is in the headlines. And it's in the headlines because starting in two thousand sixteen on a little bit before misinformation and disinformation campaigns arranged for and promoted by our foreign enemies were then adopted by some of our folks right here in the united states of america and the fight against that the information. That is good. The trusted information that comes from elections officials across the united states of america. That's what we need to promote. That's what we need to push. And the secretaries of state across the united states which have a varying degree of involvement in either administering regulating elections depending on what state it is. These are the bully pulpits from which is solid information must come adrian fund. Taza was great to see you. Thank you so much for being here tonight. Please stay safe coming up our an eleven year. Old kid is fighting back against west. Virginia's anti trans law and how the biden administration is helping her out. That's up next west. Virginia passed a new anti transgender law. Earlier this year banning trans athletes from participating on female sports teams in middle schools high schools and colleges and not long after that bill became law. My colleague stephanie rule pressed west virginia governor jim justice asking him to provide any example of this being an actual issue in his state. Can you give me one example of a transgender child. Trying to get an unfair advantage. Just one in your state signed a bill about it. I can't really tell you one. I think we only have twelve kids. Maybe in our state that are are transgender. Type kids well at least one of the transgender kids in west. Virginia is now actively trying to get accountability because she's being negatively affected by that law. Eleven year old. Becky pepper jackson wants to run cross country. I ran cross country in in high school and track at her middle school but she's being prohibited from trying out for the girls teams. Her mother has brought a case against the state on her behalf. And now the biden administration is stepping up. Enjoining becky's fight yesterday. The department of justice filed a statement of interest in the case slamming the ban as a violation of federal law democratic congresswoman. Maria newman of illinois is an advocate for lgbtq plus rights and on behalf of her transgender daughter evie and she joins me now congresswoman. You and your daughter are on the cover of teen vogue for pride month and there's a beautiful moment in the piece where you talk about when i told you that she was trans. Talk about that moment and your reaction you know. I think it was just pure joy when if you can imagine in any situation when someone finds themselves finds their authenticity it's joy so i just remember throwing my hands up and saying saying because it was liberating and joyful and i'm so happy for her that she had found herself at this point. Marta retailer greens. Bullying behavior is well documented. But i think you know what became a national story is when she put up an anti trans sign outside of her office with which is coincidentally directly across from yours the lottery. This wasn't planned out. What were you thinking when she did that did she have any idea that you have a background in anti bullying. And what's the best way to respond to this kind of bullying. Because it's so mean spirited you. They will say about the juxtaposition of our offices. I often god his sense of humor. Quitting me next to her But on that sign was highly reflective of bushiest merger deal. Green told the world who she was with that he will sign her hateful behavior. So on the good news. Is that on the support we received from this on nap. Just me but other members of congress that family members that are transgender the transgender community. Lgbt plus community writ large received amazing support wellm support on this topic. Eighty percent of our country to supportive of the At so on again she just showed how small she is. How small the group of people is that on. Feel off similarly to in terms of the justice department's decision to challenge this new law west. Virginia which the governor says only affects twelve kids which is such an odd response What's your reaction to that development that the justice department is saying. No we're not. We're not okay with this law. And they're stepping up to challenge it. Will i still governor on. I would say that there are more than twelve children that are transgender in your state. Just statistically highly improbable on that there aren't many more net so we'll start but secondly it's so good. The the doj is stepping they must. It's a shame that they step in but they are and that's what their job is and they should be doing more of this. We in thirty three states that have come up with these crazy laws that are in searching for a. There is a solution with out a problem every single time. I think he's really needs to beautifully on when you talk about. Uh stephanie roles interview is that please show me one instance. The there's a series of at reporters that went out and talk to all of these authors of these laws and every single time it was. We share study data on episode an anecdote. They couldn't share an anecdote a pro so therefore does not exist. It's a red vera issues like this there in the news but they affect you personally when there's news of an anti trans bill being passed on the state level. What happens in your household. How how does that News get processed in a household that's directly impacted by these laws. It scares my daughter and it scares me now the good news in illinois we are highly protected with a very welcoming on state. That said many states are not so. That's why it's incumbent about On me and on my colleagues to make sure that we've the the the excellence discriminated against. But it doesn't stop there we we can pass it paalea but we need to change hearts and minds of this country humanitarian rights issue. This is a civil rights issue and it's just like anything else. We have to change hearts and minds and legislate. They help one another and together. We're going to be a much gap your nation if we're not just accepting of one another but embrace and respect and loveland embrace love and respect one another. That is a good message for friday night. And we'll have to leave it there. Congressman murray newman of illinois. Thank you so much for taking the time tonight. And congratulations on the cover. It's really beautiful. We'll think he's still ahead. Thank you phil ahead. It's the very first juneteenth. Federal holiday and republicans are already slamming. It surprise surprise that snap today. Schools and offices across the country are closed for the newest federal holiday juneteenth. That holiday commemorates the end of centuries of slavery in the us yesterday it was signed into law by president biden and it will officially be celebrated nationally for the first time tomorrow but not everyone has been in favour. Like karen congressman. Ralph norman who was one of the fourteen republican members of congress who voted against the bill. How many holidays doing wall. What's the magic number this. Put it eleven twenty i. We're going to do for the native. American indians i mean. Where does it stop. And this was such an easy. No vote too. Many holidays argument is just the latest in a slew of week excuses to not recognize the entirety of our country's history and confront. It's difficult truths. Someone has been who has written extensively about our country's ability to reckon with it is Clint he's a writer for the atlantic and author of the book. How the world how. The word is past. Excuse me reckoning with the history of slavery across america. I highly recommended clint june teen new holiday. And it's very different from other holidays. There are conflicting emotions here. I've seen a lot of black people Postings and funny things today about the fact that we are going to be doing this The celebration is about the end of slavery but it also commemorates just are ugly past. What's the right way to celebrate this new federal holiday. Yeah i mean. I think what we have to do is hold the end inness of that. This is a holiday in which we mourn the fact that freedom was intentionally kept from black people in texas over two and a half years after the emancipation proclamation. In over two months after general lee surrendered inap- matic's effectively ending the civil war. And so we warned what was kept from from black people but we also celebrate the end of one of the most egregious. Things is country has ever done adding we have to hold both those realities at once. In when i think june team part of what i think about is how sleepy existence country for two hundred fifty years and black people who've been fighting against the institution of slavery since the day they arrived on these shores which means that the vast majority of people who fought against slavery who offered freedom for emancipation and abolition never got a chance to see it for themselves but they fought anyway because they knew that somebody someday would and i think that that's a lesson for us to when we think about what it means to build a better more equitable and more just world that we fight for not simply so we concede ourselves of because somebody someday will. That's so profound to think about the ways in which you are fighting for future generations. And i think in this current moment a lot of folks are like okay. We have juneteenth as a federal holiday. But it feels like we skipped over a couple of steps like we skipped over voting rights and police reform and reparations. The list goes on. So how do we avoid this becoming a superficial celebration of america moving past. It's racist history when there's so much work left to be done. I think that this is part of the marathon of cognitive dissonance. That it is to be a black person in this country. In which you know we give remake juneteenth the federal holiday And at the same time. There is a state sanction effort in state legislatures across the country to prevent teachers from teaching the very context from which juneteenth emerges from teaching the historical context. That makes juneteenth hospital and so it is this sort of cognitive dissonance. It is reflective of the distance and contradictions of this country. And i think part of what we have to do is ground ourselves in and hopefully juneteenth serves as an entry point to this round ourselves. in how recent. This was all the time that you know. The way i learned about slavery growing up was as if it happened in the age of the dinosaurs. Right that it was like it was in the jurassic flintstones the brontosaurus in slavery they all existed the same time. But i tell people all the time. The woman who new museum of african american history and culture alongside the obama family in two thousand sixteen was the daughter of enslaved person not the granddaughter or the granddaughter. She was the daughter of someone born into intergenerational chatto bond and so these history that we tell ourselves was long time ago wasn't in fact that long ago at all and if we can remind ourselves are sort of temporal toxicity to this period of time than we're more effectively able to identify how shapes contemporary landscape of inequality how shapes our political social and economic infrastructure in profound ways. I always think about the fact that none of this was that long ago. And you know given the fact that there are one hundred years in between emancipation and boating ability to vote for black people and black women in particular It feels to me like we still got to keep working because there's so much time in in between when something changes and when it's a reality in the lived experience and we talk a lot about systemic change we're like we need to stomach change and there's all this nonsense and conspiracy theories about what critical race theory is but at the core of it. We're saying that racism is embedded in many of our systems. And we need to change that. How do we start having that conversation. And how do we turn our conversations towards the policy changes that we need to make that makes a stomach changes possible. I think all of these things are in conversation with one. I think all the time about high grew up in new orleans and to get to school. I had to go out already boulevard to get to the grocery store. I had to go down. Jefferson davis highway that my middle school was named after somebody who owned a a confederate leader that my parents live on a street named after somebody who owned one hundred and fifty enslaved people and the thing about the symbols symbols. They are reflective of the stories that society's telling those stories embed themselves into the narratives communities carrying those narratives shape public policy public policy chicks. The material conditions people's lives so. That's not to say that taking down. A statue of liberty or making juneteenth. The holiday is going to erase the racial wealth. Gap of course. Not but part of these things are these things are all in conversation with one another ottawa. Same need them of ideas. That ultimately i think help us recalibrate our understanding of what has happened to communities so that we are more able to effectively diagnose what communities deserve because of what is historically been taking can't cancel the of conversations. We need to have these conversations even if their hard clint smith will you made it easy and i want to thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time out on this friday night. Please stay safe. That is all in for this friday night. Chris as we'll be back in this chair on monday. And you can catch me on my show streaming on peacock weekdays at six pm eastern.

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Youtube and lincoln or undermanned is an audio or video. Podcast revenue gets your podcasts Hello and welcome to the daily beans for monday. September six twenty twenty one today. The supreme court takes us back fifty years without lifting a finger eleven house republicans sent a threatening letter to thirteen telecom companies including one. That doesn't work there anymore. After the select committee on the insurrection asks for the preservation of evidence the republican led arizona. Senate is trying to hide three thousand emails and documents related to the fraud at an oklahoma. Abortion clinic is already seeing a surge of texas patients. Planned parenthood won a temporary restraining order against texas right to life blocking them from suing providers under sp eight calamari junior and makoni testify before the grand jury in manhattan were of answers investigating the trump organization. The former da in the ahmad arbor case has been indicted and richard. Spencer is broke and alone. I'm your host alisonville. Hey everybody it's a g elson. Gill dina's off today. It is you and i. It is us today. I will be joined for a little bit later. In the show by david rothkopf to discuss what's going on in texas and also what's going on with the the mainstream media lately particularly cnn. I mean the anchors. We don't like on msnbc have kinda always been that way. But i feel like there's something shifting in the mainstream media and the couple of new york times stories you may have seen over the weekend about president biden lead story today. Of course we'll get into in a moment. But i have to say it's been a very tough week. I've been on vacation. I had a lovely vacation will had a wonderful time in dc meeting all the patrons i had a great time here on staycationing where i stayed at a hotel or a few days after i returned from. Dc mid week. The news has been very difficult. I would be a lying. If i said everything was fine and just sort of moved forward and i discussed that a little bit with david rothkopf from we talk about the mainstream media hovering kind of just acting normal and i'm usually really really good about just pushing through and compartmentalizing and delivering the news and delivering some laughs. But i have to admit to you. Because i care about you and i know you care about me that it's been difficult. I feel like the shields are collapsing. If that makes any sense. And so. I've been reaching out to a lot of really good close friends and having a lot of really robust and difficult conversations and that is helping to anchor me and so i just you know. Every day i during the sign off remind everyone to take care of their mental health. And take care of each other and yourselves and the planet you know i. I just really need to emphasize that. Pick up the phone. Make some calls jump on. Zoom sent an email. Send a text. it's okay to not be okay. It's this is a very very difficult thing that we're going through. And it it seems to all be culminating into into one sort of i guess. Direction that this country Road could go down or not and we have to figure out how to steer it. And i'm working on it with some very bright people but in the meantime please reach out to each other and me if you have if you just want to vent or you know free right to me. Ag militia wrote please do. I would be happy to read those. And like i said. I'm going to bring you the headlines from the weekend. Do my best to compartmentalize the anger leftover from the supreme court decision or non-decision shadow. Docket and i also want you to stay. Tuned this wednesday when i'm going to be talking to our constitutional law expert professor of law at university of texas austin. Steve vladeck will be here to discuss some of the implications ramifications. Where we're headed how we can stop it if we can stop him so without ladonna. It's hot notes. Of course the lead story. Today is the gutting abreau. V wade and abortion rights in texas this past week supreme court declined to block. Sba from going into effect. Meaning that any person who seeks abortion care past six weeks of pregnancy and by the way the way they measure six weeks is from the last day of your last period so it's not exactly six weeks from conception anyway past six weeks and anyone who aids a person receiving an abortion can be sued by vigilantes for ten thousand dollars any time in a forty eight month post-abortion timeframe supreme court did not decide the merits of sb. Eight and cases can still be brought. But in the meantime it's obviously very dangerous writing to be someone who can get pregnant in texas right now and the court has effectively ended though protections of roe v wade in the state like i said i will be speaking with experts. Steve gladdock on wednesday about the backlash and future of abortion. Care as pretty much every other red state in the country now gearing up to pass the same law. They're basing by the way the six week ban on what they considered to be a fetal heartbeat. But which is not the heartbeat. of course. there are seven thousand other fifty year old arguments against this. But the fact that texas deputized private citizens means that we can't sue the state and has allowed the republicans a new untested loophole. That we must now fight in the courts. And it's it's terrifying. The your neighbor can report private information to the state about you and get paid for it. And i'm also curious about the political impact. Here we have long said access to abortion. Care is exceedingly popular among voters. People have laughed me out of the room. When i said raw is in real trouble they will call me on alarmist and they would say the republicans aren't ever going to overturn roe v wade. Don't be stupid. Don't be so alarmist. They'll never do that. Ha because they need it to fundraise off of it's a wedge issue for them. It's their identity politics while they run around and tell us that we lose racist for identity politics. It's it's what keeps them in power that nineteen percent of the electorate that that are one issue voters in that issue is abortion so first of all you can stop calling us alarmists but what are the republicans going to do now because this will bring. I think very very considerable political backlash. They don't have anything to fundraise on. Now unless it's to just do it in more states and kind of take a victory lap. But we'll we'll talk more about that on wednesday many abortion clinics in texas and in other states say they're already fielding a flurry of phone calls after. Sba went into effect. Wednesday planned parenthood south. Texas says it saw twice the usual number of patients over the last few days of last week as texans tried to get last minute care about being rushed into that decision quote what patients are finding out as they call and seek appointments is that in many cases were having to tell them just upfront that we're not going to be able to assist them. That is sarah wheat. She's a spokesperson for planned. Parenthood of greater texas. We'd said they are still providing abortions for women up to six weeks of pregnancy. But emma estimate now that they cannot serve about eighty five percent of patients who may be seeking an abortion in texas. That's indicative of how often women do not know they're pregnant until seven or eight weeks especially if you calculate it from the last day of our last menstrual cycle quote. The only thing they can do is leave the state if they're trying to have an appointment within a healthcare setting she said that's why we sat down and that's exactly what some women are trying to do trust women a clinic and oklahoma says a typically get's three to five calls from texans per day last two days of last week. They got fifty to fifty five calls per day from texans. I've already asked a few of our physicians quote. We you come on for a third day when you come to see us. We sign up for an additional shift so that we can see more of the texas patients. That's rebecca tong. She works at the trust women's clinic. She's the co executive director. She says for the first time ever. They're capping their patients quote. Not everyone who needs an abortion at this time is going to be seen quote. We want to emphasize however that people who need abortion care should continue to look to texas funds and neighborhood clinics for help. If we're unable to see anyone do volume we will absolutely help. Direct them to a clinic with availability. The gop group texas right to life has said they know. Many women will try to cross state lines and will sue planned parenthood and other clinics for coordinating such care however texas abortion providers won a temporary restraining order against texas. Right and it's associates on friday blocking them from suing providers and healthcare workers have planned parenthood health centers in the state under the new law planned. Parenthood sued the antiabortion group in state court to stop the group from enforcing texas's new six week abortion ban as we know the six-week law creates probable irreparable an imminent injury in the interim for planned parenthood. It's physicians staff and patients throughout texas judge. My garrick gamble of the texas district court for travis. County wrote that in temporary restraining order. So this isn't a win necessarily because it causes harm to women or guts constitutionally decided law. It's because it causes damage to planned parenthood. If this law go into effect providers would have no adequate legal remedy for that injury. They're subjected to private enforcement lawsuits against them. The order applies again. Texas right to life and planned parenthood centers in the state only. It's temporary restraining order. The providers challenged the laws most unusual aspect. It's delegation of enforcement power to private citizens so any that means anyone anywhere can sue in texas court an alleged abortion provider who violates the six week ban. The law entitles a winning plate to as we know ten thousand dollars per abortion plus costs and attorney's fees texas right to life in its legislative director. John -sego have already started recruiting private citizens to sue providers like planned parenthood greater texas surgical health services. And that's according to the complaint. The antiabortion group created a whistle blower website to identify potential plaintiffs but thousands of people flooded the site with fake complaints including myself and a group of talkers actually wrote a bunch of scripts and code to flood the site and overwhelming. Eventually go daddy. Removed the whistle blower site for violating. Its terms of service. So they will no longer host dot site are. We're going to change subjects in other news house. Republicans wrote a letter to marissa mayer who they described is thirteen house. Republicans who were pissed about the fact that they've the the telecommunications companies have been told by the select committee investigating the insurrection to preserve phone records of these very specific. You know group of p- hunt. It's hundreds of people but thirteen house. Republicans wrote a letter to marissa. Meyer president and chief executive of yahoo warning. Her of legal action should she and the company handover their private data to the committee investigating january. Sixth problem is mayor. Hasn't been ceo of yahoo since twenty. Seventeen any fucking buddy. Can google this. They just went ahead and put it in a letter and signed their little congressional names to it like they were awesome before they just double check to see if burlington profile had doing something else. She resigned after spending five years attempting to pull the media giant back from a steady demise. She also step down from the company's board she runs a startup called gloomy laps. Letter is one of thirteen that. Gop congressional leaders sent two telecommunications giants threatening legal remedies should. They comply with the house select committee. I'm sorry it's eleven representatives to thirteen telecom companies legal remedies we will pursue legal remedies. If you hand our stuff over to the select committee in the house i would like to thank these republicans by the way for letting us know exactly whose records we should be interested in looking into. We see you and on senators continuing to fight to keep secret. Nearly three thousand emails and text messages sent by lawmakers and others that relate to the maricopa county crazy times carnival election audit. That's according to a lawyer who told a judge on wednesday the senate. They're trying to hide stuff now. So the arizona state senate. They don't want these documents released. Republicans in the united states congress. They don't want their phone records released. Because i'm sure everything is aboveboard. Transparency is for suckers right now. The senate in arizona turned over thousands of pages communications on tuesday after being ordered to do so two judges but the senate also provided a log of approximately twenty nine hundred messages that were withheld or redacted because the senate doesn't believe turning them over as required under the state public records law among those are most if not all of the communications between lawmakers who ordered the unprecedented election audit and cyber ninjas to conduct the audit quote our view of the legislative privilege. This is legislative privilege and i can tell you for decades. The legislatures view of legislative privilege is that when there are internal communications between legislators or their agents about legislative business. Those are subject to legislative privilege. That was senate lawyer. Corey lang hofer. During a court conference on wednesday that means the senate will fight to prevent the disclosure of anything senate president karen fan or other republicans who ordered audit have written to cyber ninjas or the various subcontractors about the audit those are the things they want redacted under the concept of legislative privilege. I'm interested to find out. And if anyone knows i would love to know if there's a crime fraud exception for legislative privilege in arizona lying hoffer. Who's the lawyer for. the republicans. Previously argued unsuccessfully that cyber ninjas in the other contractors are not public officials and therefore not subject to the public records law makes nearly all communications among elected officials public documents in arizona. So it doesn't even matter really in the legislative privileged kind of doesn't exist in. You don't need a crime fraud exception. Because there's a public documents law in arizona to superior court judges in an appellate court panel have said. The contractors records are subject to the public records law and the arizona. Supreme court is listening to the senate's appeal of those decisions. Judge michael kemp asked lang hoffer when the cyber ninjas preliminary report on the audit would go to the senate and whether the senate would seek to protect that from disclosure through legislative privileges. Well fan announced last week that the preliminary report was delayed because as we know doug logan cyber ninja. Ceo and two other members of his team contracted cases of covet lang. Hoffer said the preliminary report is expected to come in three parts. one volume is not written yet. Apparently to our he said it will at least two weeks before a final report is produced. This thing was doing may quote. I have a feeling there will be substantial disagreements over whether documents are privileged or not kemp says in related news from ross story. New details were revealed on friday about how arizona. Republicans are receiving in spending funds during the fraud it quote a prominent republican attorney who advised donald trump as he tried to overturn. The twenty. twenty election helped set up an escrow account to funnel money to companies working on the arizona election audit that's cleared a mitchell and her role came to light as the arizona republic. Comb through documents. The ones that they did get. Mitchell advised trump during his january phone call. She was earned the perfect cultism alinsky by the way cool story when i was in. Dc staying at the hands hotel and we had our live. Shell monday of five. There were all kinds of Cops and dignitaries and security in the lobby and everybody was like ooh who is it. Who's here who's here. It was presidents alinsky staying at our hotel very cool. Back to cleveland mitchell. Who was on the perfect call with zielinski. She's apparently arranged for a million dollars to be sent from escrow account. She created in late. July two three subcontractors working under cyber ninjas the documents do not reveal the source of the one million dollars but that wasn't the only major news on the audit that the arizona republic broke on friday. They also reported an election. Conspiracy theorist and anti vaccine activists was hired by both arizona. Senate the arizona senate and cyber ninjas to review mail in ballots dr sheva. He's known too. Far right. Adherence as dr sheva he was tapped for both reviews in the waning weeks of the audit process in the end times after a report was already supposed to be generated according to records however he had participated in discussions with arizona. Republicans about challenging the state's election results as far back as november my pillow. Ceo mike lindell featured dr sheba in video is a victim of voter fraud. Dr sheva alleged. He lost his senate bid both of them in massachusetts because dominion software actually multiplied his vote by point. Six six six. that's right. He thinks he lost the senate because dominion multiplied his votes by point six six six and a former georgia district attorney by the way has been indicted. Who's indicted thursday by grand jury. This is a former georgia. Da and this grand jury says that this da showed preference to the men accused of murdering ahmad last year. The former prosecutors to her name is Jacqueline lee johnson. She was indicted on charges of violation of oath of public office and obstruction of a police. Officer this is according to georgia attorney. General chris car johnson was the brunswick judicial circuit district attorney when aubrey twenty-five as we know a black man was shot murdered in february of twenty. Twenty johnson ultimately lost reelection in november. Aubrey was shot and killed february. Twenty third after gregory mcmichael. Sixty four and travis mcmichael his kid thirty four basically lynched him following him in a pickup truck. Shot him armories. Family said he was out jogging while the michaels who are white say they thought he was a burglar out on the jogging trail. Johnson recused herself from the case days after the shooting. She noted that gregory mcmichael a former glenn county police officer had been an investigator in her office for more than thirty years before he retired in may of two thousand nineteen. Johnson is now accused of showing favour and affection. Greg mcmichael during the investigation. That's according to the indictment document released. Thursday she's also alleged to have hindered police officers by directing the travis. Mcmichael should not be placed under arrest ship. Struck did justice indictment. Also alleges johnson sought help from waycross judicial circuit district attorney george e barnhill whom she recommended take the case after. She stepped aside without disclosing her previous conversations with barnhill barnhill recused himself in april and defended the mcmichael's in his letter saying the police captain at this time stating to the police captain at the time that the father and his son had solid firsthand. Probable cause to believe armory was a burglar. They did not no further details about the allegations have been released. Cars office. Said it will continue to investigate. Johnson did not immediately return voicemail requests for comment quote former. Da johnson may not have pulled the trigger that day the day all mod was murdered but she played a starring role in the cover up. That was attorney ben. Crump on friday crump in lee. Merritt the family's attorneys held virtual news conferences with aubrey's mother. And father wanted to cooper marcus arbor senior merritt said. He hopes the charges against johnson heavy ripple effect throughout the legal community to stamp out systemic racism adding that her alleged actions amplify system stacked against black people. All right time for some much-needed schadenfreude on all right. I'm sure you've heard this already. But makoni one of the top the controller of the trump organization comptroller. Unless you work for the government. I got a lot of corrections. Trying to tell me it was comptroller. But he's he's the trump organization control and calamar junior not calamari engineer. But the son of matthew calamari calamari. The elder calamari was trump's bodyguard. Forever and is now the ceo of the company the younger calamar calamar junior is the head of security at the trump organization so it can get a little confusing both body dudes but once dad wants kid. Kid is the one who testified before the grand jury in manhattan as did connie again. We think that the reporting is mcconnell had already testified that means both of them have immunity for their testimony unless they waived immunity for some reason. And you'll remember we've talked to a couple of former assistant d. about that. That doesn't necessarily mean they're cooperating. Their testimony could have been compelled by subpoena. We do not know. We haven't seen official cooperation agreements or plea agreements. All we know is that for their testimony there receiving immunity and so i imagine that they're trying to either get the kid to flip on the dad or use the kid as a chip to flip the dad on trump with the calamar is as far as mcconaughey goes. I pretty sure he's just helping. I think he's the guy who ran the second set of books. I think he can actually testify about decisions. That happen that he was in the room for trump. I think he can pick up any slack. Were weisselberg would've otherwise cooperated. He but he you know he. He isn't an doesn't look like he will unless more evidence comes out but seems like for what he's been indicted for. He's already going to prison for the rest of his life. The other little bit shoddy. Friday and this is just. This is just fun. White nationalist richard spencer life is in shambles and he's broke as his charlottesville trial looms. According to report in the new york times neo nazi richard. Spencer was riding high as the face of white extremists who previously supported. donald trump has seen his life collapse in the years since the charlottesville protests that led to one woman. Who's your life in a deep dive into how that city of whitefish montana became a hotbed of extremism that led to local pushback. Spencer is exhibit a. and demonstrating how. White nationalist are being shunned driven from town by locals with rabbi francine green ralston of the glacier jewish community benign shalom explaining the best way to respond to hate and cyberterrorism and your community is through solidarity the times. Elizabeth williamson writes whitefish a mostly liberal affluent community nestled in a county that voted mostly for trump in two thousand sixteen and twenty twenty rose up and struck back residents who joined with state officials human rights groups and synagogues. Say they're bipartisan. Counter-offensive could hold lessons for those in an era of disinformation and intimidation. And in the wake of the insurrection. Case in point she notes as spencer who wants received a glossy right up in the l. a. times. Things are much different for him now after he attempted to run his organization and in his mother's three million dollar whitefish home while watching his life fall apart. According to tony gershon local real estate agent targeted by white nationalists. I've bumped into him and he runs. That's actually a really good feeling. According to williamson's report leaders in whitefish say mr spencer who wants ranch national policy institute from his mother's trillion dollar summer house here is now an outcast. This resort town in the rocky mountains unable to get a table at any restaurant. His organization has dissolved. His wife has divorced him and he is facing trial next month in charlottesville virginia over his role in the deadly 2017 neo nazi march. There but says he can't afford a lawyer so start. You might want to hear that. Please me we'll be right. Back with david rothkopf city with. Hey everybody it's alison gill for the daily beans and i'm excited to tell you about our new sponsor because right. Now i'm remodelling my entire bathroom the entire thing. I have gutted it but there is one thing. I'm keeping that. I had before and i've just got it. 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You know we've been doing this a long time As as as you have and what's happened in that time. And but a lot of discussions tend to be about news and headlines and and they don't get to sort of emotional core of the issue and we kind of began with them part. Because mary is you know. She's a jesus psychotherapist. But it also dawned on me in the week prior that we're facing sort of these multiple crises in our society At once right there's cova did a massive endemic which has changed everybody's life and has touched everybody. There's an economic crisis associated with that. There's a social crisis in the united states. Climate planet crisis as manifested and and and that we political crisis which is associated with an ongoing assault against democracy and and and and assorted rights associated with ranging from voter suppression to what we've seen in texas in past week. And then of course there. The usual prices world crises. Like what's going on in afghanistan at it struck me that i could actually was. I was having an exchange with a sort of well known television host. Just weird quirky thing and this person said to me she you know that said it was hard to imagine how to recover from all of this and and you know i would add. That's what i opened up was just you know it's like not. A deer caught in headlights. But it's the deer in the headlights of five oncoming cars at. What's how do you deal with that trauma. And and mary provided a perspective and nor provided perspective but from there at evolved into very cathartic discussion. Because i think sometimes. I don't know maybe it's you know you put people in front of a microphone or he put them on tv. Or you start to write and you end up being very circumspect and you try to be sort of intellectually responsible in the way that you say it but underneath the surface. There is fear and anger and disbelief. I can't ima- i just i. I'm in my entire life. It never crossed my mind. That i would sit in a in a in a united states of america where i thought democracy could be done in a couple of years basic freedoms could be gone. A minority could take over the country that the hated a large portion of the other people in this country. This is not something happening in some foreign capital and it was just you know and that resonated for everybody and i think the thing that said the episode of part for me and you listen to it so you may be different perspective but that we were able to talk about these things in those terms in in a in a more open way and i think that kind of cathartic discussion is important. Because it's important for a mental health. But mostly because it motivates us to take this as seriously as we should and to recognize there is no other issue that supersedes this core question trump. I was particularly struck by the openness of the conversation. It started on me that having no fear about discussing fear was something that a lot of us like you said who've been doing this for a long time tend to compartmentalize. Go forward with the news. But it's you say it's below the surface this fear and the anger but and it is but it is right below the surface. It is in a very shallow grave. This point. And i think that. That's what made listening to the discussion at least for me and hopefully for for a lot of other people who've heard it that they at least don't feel alone. Guess i hope so. And i'm not trying to produce something that has everybody's screaming into the voyager reaching for bottle of jack daniels or doing whatever it is that they do instead you know. I think it's important to be honest about this stuff. But it's also like it counteracts prevailing narrative in the mainstream media. That what we're going through is norm. We always talked about the normalization of trump right who is a rapist at a tax fraud and a traitor. And he's he's all these things that you can't even imagine you couldn't write in the movie and sell at dollywood. He was so bad but but every day we get stories you know we went through this whole crazy afghanistan thing where you know. People were providing critiques as if they were unbiased critique says if they were not trying to you know the the media jumped on this because they didn't want to be accused of being the liberal media they wanted to jump on the inhabit opportunity to go and beat up on the biden administration. They lost perspective on this. And you can think of one hundred examples of this but it makes it very hard you know when people are like oh yeah. Those are the republicans you know. And they're doing this thing and of course the democrats that their response to that is just part out. Ix but it's it's not there was a mob that went into the capital and killed people and injured people and beat up cops and you know the the the party response to that as to lie just like it was to lie allowed. Nine hundred thousand. People die of kobe just like it was to lie and you know embrace russia and to me. It's it's it's becoming desensitized to the extraordinary nature. Things that will lead us not to respond properly to it that will lead to the worst possible outcome and i. I want to talk a little bit more about the media and what they've been up to lately. I need to take a quick break. We stay with me thanks. Hey everybody it's ag from daily beans entrepreneurs and independent professionals. And i respect you for soldiering through the past year and making your stuff and being makers and crafters and you can send me so many wonderful things. I love them. And i'd like to help you make twenty twenty one your biggest year ever. 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Before we went to the break we were talking about the discussion that you had discussions that are occurring all across this country right now among friends and family members the discussion you had with marian and norm on your recent episode most recent episode of deep state radio and you shifted into start talking about how we have to push back on the kind of the narrative that the media's feeding us that this is just become normal and how a- normal it actually and truly is given the direction the climate crisis the fires the storms the flooding the grid power grid in texas. What's going on with texas abort