35 Burst results for "Double Agents"
America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
Sebastian Gorka: "Russia Is Doing What It Always Does"
"Way to start is the floor is yours. Tell us your opinion. Your stance on what's happening in Ukraine and how we should think about it. Right, so I don't want to disappoint you, but I'm not of the Lindsey Graham, you know, let's start World War three variety of people when it comes to Ukraine. But for those who are not familiar with my background, I served as former strategist in The White House to president Trump. I am a legal immigrant to the United States, but my parents lived under a communist dictatorship. My father was actually betrayed by Kim philby, one of the west's greatest double agents arrested and tortured at the age of 20 and given a life sentence in a communist political prison. He was liberated by freedom loving revolutionaries in 1956 and escaped to the west. So that's my perspective. That's what I bring to the table. But irrespective of that. Let me be clear. Russia has not been provoked into a war, a Russia hasn't been surrounded by NATO and has deployed to save ethnic Russians and destroy bioweapons labs. Russia has been doing what it has always done, whether it was under the tsars, whether it was the Soviet Union or under a neophyte czar, and that is, of course, Vladimir Putin. This is the aggrandizing territorially of the Russian Federation from a man who, by the way, is a former KGB colonel, and I remember the good old days as a child of the Cold War, when all conservatives hated all KGB colonels, the idea that he is some champion for the west standing up against globalists is utterly asinine. This is a man who persecuted Christians. This is a man who is creating his own globalism, but under the Fiat of the Kremlin. And let's be clear here. Russia is doing what it always does. Violence against civilians to create large amounts of Russian territory. And for the record
The Charlie Kirk Show
Are Catholic Priests Working as FBI Informants?
"Catholicism, when you confess your sins to a priest, priest, the seal of the confessional is supposed to be ironclad. A priest can never reveal what was confessed to him ever. Now, again, in Soviet Russia, they used to have informants in the churches and those informants included priests that would pass the intelligence to the government. Here's a very simple question with a historical basis. With the FBI do the same sort of thing here. With the F is the FBI currently doing that is the FBI currently working with priests as double agents. This is a very simple question. Are there currently priests in America that are leaking information of private confessionals to the FBI? This impacts everybody. Top down. It's more than the overreach of government that this is, this is a complete sea change and let's just play this out. Let's pretend that the FBI had a document that was revealed that was leaked that said that LGBTQ or gay groups might result in violence and we need to spy on them. We need to monitor them. There would be riots in the streets. It would be the number one news story on CNN and MSNBC. However, we have allowed ourselves to be conditioned through mass propaganda through network television to kind of look at Christians as an easy punching bag. Those are the religious people. It's fine. It's all right. But the gay groups you could do whatever they could do whatever they want. Now, I'm not implying that LGBT groups are more likely to commit violence than other groups. That's not what I'm saying, but if a memo were to say that, the country would be in bedlam,
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Demons in American Life With James Lindsay
"Are we being too alarmist, James? I mean, come on, I hear from pastors. Sometimes I talk to the wookies. There is one pastor here that went to the media and said, look, I think that what turning point USA is doing is wrong and TPUSA faith because we should have racial reconciliation. And that Jesus would have done this. And that we should have white privileged seminars and that we need to love the disadvantaged and all of these things. James, what will a country or the church or the civilization look like if we embrace these ideas? And it's a catastrophe. I couldn't tell you for certain how bad it's going to be, but every example so far has been horrible. This one will be worse. This one will be worse. The atrocities of the 20th century cost may be a 100 million lives. This will go into the billions if they get their way. This is what we're up against. And when we talk about the infestation or the weakness or whatever other pieces, because both are happening, it's not just that we have naive pastors, naive theologians. We have double agents. We have infiltration into these institutions, your seminaries, your churches, your pulpits, and they are preaching this false gospel. They're using the exact language that you were saying. They're saying, oh, love thy neighbor. What's it mean? Slap a mask on, don't see your mom while she dies. This is love thy neighbor because we have to protect for the greater good. We're all in this together. That's what Jesus would have wanted. They are doing this intentionally
AP News Radio
Chinese officers charged in plot to obstruct US Huawei probe
"Two Chinese officers have been charged in a plot to obstruct the U.S. investigation of Chinese tech giant Huawei I Norman hall The Justice Department says two suspected Chinese intelligence officers allegedly sought inside information on the case and paid tens of thousands of dollars in digital currency along with cash and jewelry to a U.S. official they thought they had recruited as an asset attorney general Merrick Garland Individual they recruited was actually a double agent working on behalf of the FBI Besides these two men 11 other Chinese men have been charged with offenses in the last week as part of what FBI director Christopher wray calls China's economic assault and rights violations Norman hall Washington
The Dinesh D'Souza Podcast
Danielle Explores the Art of Deception
"It almost goes without saying that in warfare, deception will not work if your enemy knows about the ruse beforehand. So even though deception by definition involves allowing the enemy to see what you're doing in the open, it requires a good deal of secrecy. That is the main reason our intelligence is classified, because if the secrets are known, the ruse is blown. And all the effort goes to waste. We use deception in combat because it is how you get your enemy to harm yourself. And thereby do your work for you. One very good historical example are operations bodyguard and fortitude in the UK. These operations used every method available, including double agents and fake military vehicles, build out of canvas, to convince World War II Germans that the allied army was going to invade Europe from the straits of Dover and not Normandy, and was actually planned in operation D-Day. As a result, the Germans kept military assets in place to repel a second nonexistent invasion fleet, even after the Normandy invasion. The deception operations of bodyguard and fortitude were resounding successes. So to section can be a powerful tool. And if you think about it, even in everyday life, an act of deception or betrayal is a form of aggression. When you find out you've been deceived, you instinctively lose trust and want to distance yourself from your deceiver. Such reactions are just good survival instincts. And in case you haven't noticed, a lot of deception has been uncovered recently. Just watch the movie 2000 mules, made by a great guy. Russia collusion was a hoax. You also can not mount an insurrection by walking into a building and leaving. The list goes on. All of these lies were propagated for years by coordinated media deception campaigns. A fact which supports the idea that the mainstream media is acting in an adversarial manner against we Americans. The media as the enemy of the people, it's almost as if we've heard that somewhere before.
The Indicator from Planet Money
"double agents" Discussed on The Indicator from Planet Money
"Business cards. So pharmacy benefit managers. What do they do? Well, in the prescription drug pipeline, you already know about the pharmaceutical companies, which make the drugs. And you know about health insurance companies, which help people pay for the drugs, at least the ones that have insurance. Now, sitting in between those two are the pharmacy benefit managers. And their whole part of this pharmaceutical circle of life is they negotiate with the drug companies on behalf of the health insurance companies. In other words, there is a middleman or a middle player. Which, you know, there's certainly not a compliment, right? But Alex Chan says there's nothing inherently evil about middle players. I think it's incorrect to think about them as just like supply chain toll collectors that are performing no legitimate economic function. Alex is a health economist who studies market design at Stanford, and he also used to work for a company called Optum, which runs one of the biggest PBM companies. He says the existence of intermediaries or middlemen, you know, whatever you want to call them, they're often a good thing for consumers. For example, how do you think Costco manages to sell all this stuff to its members at a lower price than they could get elsewhere? Costco, you know, provide negotiation leverage as they amass scale. By aggregating many small buyers, all the Costco members and getting better prices from the manufacturers. And the PBM in a sense do the same thing. PBMs, by working with health insurers, they pool demand for prescription drugs. That way they can tell the drug makers, you want access to these customers, you got to negotiate with us. And on top of that, PBMs also decide which drugs health plans will buy. And that gives them even more leverage because they can say to the drug makers if you want your drugs to be covered by our plans, you better give our customers a juicy rebate. If you've ever bought something that comes with a rebate coupon, it's like that. So first you buy the product at the listed price, and then you claim the rebate and get some money back. The same principle works here. So in this case, the health insurers will buy the drugs at the list price. And then it gets a rebate, which the PBM has negotiated. The insurer shares that rebate with the PBM. And this is a key part of how PBMs make money. And so in theory, these rebate savings should also trickle down to you. The patient slash consumer. But here's where the comparison to Costco starts to break down. While Costco brings down prices, Alex says PBMs may actually be contributing to rising drug prices. Because of a couple of key flaws in this market's design. And the first flaw he says with this whole PBM setup is it's rife with what economists call agency problems. So to give an example, think about someone who is buying a house. So you would use a real estate agent. And that agent, they are supposed to be serving the buyer, but how much that agent is paid is based on how high the price of the house would be. The buyer want the price to be lower, but the agent actually could benefit from the price of the house being higher. In the context of pharmacy benefit managers, they're supposed to be our agents, or at least our health insurers agents, negotiating with the drug makers for lower prices. But here's the problem. The issue with the PBMs, right? They're getting payments both from the health plans, and they also getting paid by the manufacturers of pharmaceuticals. So you think about this as sort of a double agent scenario. A double agent scenario, as in pharmacy benefit managers are playing both sides of the deal. Because remember, PBMs get a percentage of the rebates they negotiate with drug companies, so it's actually in their interest for the drugs to be priced higher so they can get a fatter rebate. All this really bothers Robin Feldman. She specializes in health law at the University of California, Hastings law school. And to illustrate her concern, she came up with a hypothetical. Imagine you have a drug called life elixir. Like the lakes are due, by the way. This is my mythical drug. It will solve all of your healthcare problems in one nifty pill. Oh, that sounds great, okay? Get me some of that. So imagine that life elixir is right now selling for a $100 a month. Okay. Okay? Now, the PBM says to the health plan, I'll negotiate a good price for you for all of the patients in this health plan with the drug company. If the drug company raises the price of life elixir up to $500 a month and then the PBM negotiates a discount back down to $100 a month, the PBM goes to the health plan and says, oh, look, I saved you $400 a month. The insurer pays the inflated price to the drug maker and it gets back that hefty rebate, which is shared with the PBM. And so in this scenario, the drug price was always going to be a $100 anyway. And we see this thing all the time in the real world, right? Store saying, hey, we've got a massive sale, 50% off. But we all know it's a deal that's not really a deal, because the thing was already overpriced to begin with. And for Robin, this is the nightmare scenario. The PBMs benefit from the inflated price because they can pad their rebate and make more money. And the drug company benefits because offering a bigger rebate makes the PBMs want to do business with them. And Robin says this dynamic is part of why between the mid 2000s in the mid 2010s, the list price for brand name drugs has shot up. In some cases, more than quadrupled. Now this might be fine if consumers benefited too, but it's not clear just how much they are because PBMs keep the details of the deals with the drug companies hidden. Value that their trade secrets. But if we can't see what's going on behind the curtain, then there's no way to really know whether these negotiations work more for consumers or for the PBMs. Information helps competition flourish. It helps regulators and see where the problems are and target those problems. And it helps pesky academics like me point out where the problems are. Now, the industry association for pharmacy benefit managers, they say they can't disclose numbers because that would enable collusion between PBMs and that would be bad for customers. They also say they have helped to lower drug costs in a variety of ways. For instance, by nudging insurance plans towards more affordable, generic drugs and promoting mail order pharmacies. They also cite their own study, which says that they save health plans and patients and average of $962 a year. Now, Alex Chan, the health economist says a couple of studies suggest PBMs do create value. The question, of course, is that the profits that a PBM earns by providing all these valuable services in the middle, is it justified? Is it justified? So that's a tough question. I think that there are some characteristics of this market that suggest to me that some of it might be too high. In other words, maybe more of that value could be flowing to consumers in the form of lower drug prices. But with the agency problems, you know, the conflicts of interest and the lack of transparency around PBM deals, it is hard to know for sure. This show is produced by senior producer Viet la, it was engineered by Robert Rodriguez. Samuel L horst Kessler checked the facts, kicking canon edits the show, and the indicator is production of NPR. On the podcast, rough translation. A catch in Ukraine. Brings the war home. To a small town in New York that's hanging on every update. What was going to happen to the cat? And local news there would never look the same. That's on rough translation from NPR.
The Eric Metaxas Show
Lis Wiehl on Robert Hanssen, America's Most Damaging Russian Spy
"There's so many levels of sickness to this. And I want to be clear, speaking as a public Christian, when you're talking about evil, right? A lot of people, either they don't believe in God, they don't believe in evil, whatever. When you look at something like this, I want to know what you would call it if it's not evil, because here is a man who, I guess, I mean, I haven't said it, but to make things infinitely worse was ostensibly a dedicated Catholic Christian, in other words, it's kind of like the devil wearing priests robes. It's a stunning thing that so he wasn't just some secular person who doesn't believe in anything publicly he put on the face of a man of faith. So I have to ask you to just to go to the beginning. What do you suppose or who do you suppose he was that he would upon entering this life that he would go to them and do something like this? In other words, was it some crazy James Bond narrative he had? And I'm going to be a double agent. I'm going to be, what do you suppose was in his mind? Because a lot of people could get pulled over over time. Life gets tough. Things get complicated and you find yourself drifting. He goes to them. Why do you suppose that was? Well, he was as disgruntled employee. He thought that the FBI didn't appreciate him enough and that the FBI agents around him were trying to dull her. It's not as smart as he was. He always had to be the smartest guy in the room. We know people like that, right? Well, this is the Benedict Arnold story, right? I mean, if you want to go to the ultimate trader, Benedict Arnold felt he was being passed over. He was so amazing, and he was not being acknowledged. So that's kind of like the standard reason, right? That somebody like that, they think, I'm better than everybody. Nobody's acknowledging me. I'm going to get them horrible. Right.
America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
Judicial Watch's Chris Farrell Describes His Credentials
"Is the director of research and investigations for that superlative organization judicial watch. Chris Farrell, welcome in studio. Great to be with you, Seth. Thank you. You've been on the show multiple times. You've been on my newsmax show for those who are just accidentally tuning in now or have found us on Salem TV. Would you just for a couple of seconds talk about your national security credentials, what you did in uniform before you joined your judicial watch. I was commissioned as a military intelligence officer in the U.S. Army, specifically as a counterintelligence officer. And I served in that role doing mostly counter espionage work, investigations, running double agent operations and also commanding the army's surveillance team. We did physical technical and aerial surveillance of counterintelligence suspects, but also in support of clandestine human intelligence operations. I then went on to actually cross strain and besides being a can respond to case officer. I became a clandestine human intelligence case officer. And so I have a foot in each world in the world of human intelligence, both countering bad guys who are trying to spy against us, but then also in their field of human intelligence, which is us trying to have persons from foreign countries provide intelligence to U.S. to U.S.
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"The main consumers of this early information are the fans of the brand which adds an entire another layer of complexity like icu. Right now you're wearing air pods. Are you strike me as a fan of apple products and even garage. So it's it's there's definite. I is a very There's some depth to this particular conversation. And i've been doing the media around apple for long enough. I've had my own experiences with apple as well like as far as i. I had original iphone. Ben test which as far as i can tell Was not a big hit internally at apple and there's presumably consequences that exists to this day so they they are an interesting company in that sense and i think your that your experience with them is somewhat predictable in had you asked me prior to not getting any kind of reciprocation for your actions out of that. Might be exactly the way that it goes But so how do you feel right now. I mean are you. Are you sad or do you feel better. Having gotten the story out there. No identical appeal better that my story is out there and they come to really do to take adult anymore. So i mean they've migrated. They've bent the story that i've been telling there and now that it's out it's out in the public and on all of these platforms. I feel much better. Because i feel like i have my voice back on that. Can i can help my freedom of speech. You put it that way. Do you expect apple's legal team to be in touch with you. What what's your bet on that. I would say that wouldn't go as far more any battle Yeah they might they the the story might get even bigger if they did something like that and it doesn't seem like there's too much to take from you either. I'm i'm i'm not sure but How how are you doing now. Release show nolan miss team. I mean that experience have been as been so exhausting and gets there much. Although that i lost my sense of what is going on wrong me. Well you seem you. Seen young to me seem You seem like you've got a lotta a lotta head of you i. I can't help but be curious like how you're gonna pivot from this moment. Well i would definitely like to set up or something less trestle and.
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"It's just incredibly developed ecosystem. Now you get the new the new phone. The new the new league's the new software the new features. And then eventually you get the event and it never used to be like that so. I'm not sure that there's anything that anyone can do. Because the incentive structure still exists. You were selling information for money. But is that really all that different than i mean. It is different but it's kind of related to sites that profit off of that information even if it's secondhand at that point so it's really weird at which point something turns into news being able to determine that exact that exact to edge in which something turns into news is an ends available to everyone versus the source of the leak being held accountable for its i understand. Why apple would one want to have a dialogue with someone like you when they're the they're so hyper focused on the initial point of the leak because that's really where their authority starts and ends Anyways i is there anything else as far as your stories concern that you feel like you want to put out there any other details. I don't think anything. John jones danish. Oh it's article that laurent sedate and augusta and totally agree with you. Especially that whole thing. In china is a real speed and the pace of the scrutiny team goes it's about apple loves secrecy and we all know that and it's kinda ironic Confidential information given day policies. It's it's easy to the point that for example you people wanted. If you wanted an iphone that dren nonreligious released version of us. That could have been arranged. And you've been too difficult. Yeah i know. I hear you. I mean i've been to china. A few times in is pretty amazing. Some of the stuff you see and you haven't impression over here. I'm in north america. You have this impression of this robust structure that you see that's impenetrable then you go to china and they're like oh you need that you want that. Yeah right over here you know. Come down this. Come down this hallway right here. Yeah we we can get you that or whatever whatever happens to be. So it's it's it's. It's definitely not the way that most people perceive it and it is hard to figure out where that line is. But i think that the average person is probably gonna say. Hey if you are the initial point of the leak particularly if you happen to be a in apple employees than certainly. You're going to be held accountable. News going to be some form of punishment involved but then even for the person who tries extra hard. Let's break A site to or or extract information. I think mo- most people in that case are still going to say okay. That's the wrong. That's the wrong one. But it's just it's it's definitely not black and white. There's a there's certainly some nuance to it. And then ultimately all of it has to do with enthusiasm around the product..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"The right thing bought that that's right. Think would leave you out of business. Yeah well depending what your businesses certainly if your business is what yours was previously than. Yeah the right thing is probably not going to be as as lucrative now do you have any concerns at this point that you could become a target for apple. Now that you've made yourself public or become a target in general. Well i guess down to to that question would be known. And i think that's because i'm just exhausted to the point that i would not care if this will sell now. What about people in the league community that may feel that you sort of Expose them or or that you broke their trust. That has anybody reached out from that side of things. That's upset with you. Oh most of the most of the people that are to talk to pretend to that it never happens. The interview things and digest generalists. Tried to stay out of the community ends out the stokes i see so there any. Are there any leaks specifically that in recent memory that We may have seen that you were that you would have would have been responsible for or involved in. What would some examples of those leaks be. Well i guess you could say that. Some of the details of the ira's fourteen and there was advice on it article in that as well and spoke Him but and all of these. I i could say smaller. Great lakes that nine to five mac posted so the most recent lawns being bonn regarded an app. That is basically a guard old The apple park that is reserved for the employee and sprouted. That was not to go on. How apple maps data-gathering operates in europe..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"Sure that dmc could be used in that fashion. So what would be an example of a post. That apple would be capable of taking down in that way. What would be in that post. Mo- typically the boss. They've targeted the screen shots of applications. That apple only any bdo guests any written text and on one on one side of things. They're not wrong. These things were taken from but that guests. I would argue that. That seems knew that i was making this voice and they knew that it was discussing this things publicly right and and of course there was something that was remote right of a but they would keep most of the content that posted boasted intact godless all and incorporate claims or competent charity. Yeah well what's weird about. This is like in the there's entire websites and businesses that operate by by posting. These types of leaks by guests. Their second they're not being held accountable themselves but when they go reposted presumably that dmca could be applied there as well. That's the curious part for me. Is that apple targeted. You specifically but doesn't seem to ever do much with the greater leak community or the brands and websites new channels. That would re post something that you would say initially post. I guess in mind extending the real reason for the ticket on was me speaking out against them by breastfeeding in bruti. Lantis thread that. I was very much an the experiences that i've had. I was very much inhibited. All communication and the things the handle things and the negotiations. And i guess that made them really upset so deep so you it sounds to me like you feel that apple. Used u mean egypt information that That reported to them wasn't good off you. They didn't want this relationship to happen. Dull they could have just ended right away body. Basically a database state over hoppy of my dime some little errands nets dame. They deemed interest in them now..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"In my case in like bonham box therapy it would be Some kind of model or mockup of a phone way in advance and everyone knows the specs in the case manufacturers already know this backs and so forth so that that seems fairly obvious to me the interesting part about your stories that you actually had this That you actually had this dialogue with apple and that you were possibly now as far as supplying them with information How how could. I believe in respond. Let's say for example. You were able you. Were able to supply them with some leaker. Are you aware of how they may enforce or the people get fired over this as far as you know awareness. They have never actually told me what they june with information that they've provided but they didn't do know for a fact that they act on it because i kept in touch with bank employees or one of the least that are reported to them and he told me about the other side of this process. You told me that. He was on investigation by the gs. He told me that he got quiet. And damn might be possible additional ramifications or his actions can you just clarify g. s. I'm sorry about that. Gs is global security team. Gotcha i it's. It's interesting the way that i'm hearing from you the way this community operates. Because here's a guy that possibly lost his job because of something that you said and yet you and him maintain a relationship afterwards. How does that work is he not. Would he not be set with you for having reported him. Well now that dada goes out. He is upset. he is so also That i see goes. I mean one could argue that giant toggle and i would probably agree with that but solely from the point of view of me not be able to negotiate a better deal myself with apple and on the other side people forget that these people most of the.
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"No the best sto yes. The cries of the highest point of our relationship. They told me that they would need to have meeting. All the stakeholders saying so basically everything about me and everything about a relationship. More was in violation. Old the garden protocols and policies and that these meeting to happen in on jill because something out on how to best deal. I guess so. I'm just curious. What would your motivation be to work with them. In any facet or put any energy into this relationship if there was if you weren't being paid for it. I about guests. I hope to be able to negotiate some kind of reward. I mean other than the people reported also supported quiet superior. Dogs around in their corporate systems like thinks that were allowed anyone to download the corporate applications on their training videos that are specific and restricted jill service providers and their own service locations. So guess might think in morris that all the help with these bogs and lakes they will be able to correct check and would it on the bug bounty program right. Yeah and the for those. That don't know the the way this works is that If somebody's able to discover a bug reported to apple often they will reward the individual for having done so because then they can go in and patch it and essentially have a more secure system afterwards. So this is fairly common practice within that community All right so at some point you are now in contact with apple. You have some sort of dialogue going on. What kind of messages are you. Are you sending back and forth. It was mostly down to discuss it in information that they've had on the people for example. This guy did listing. And i would ask them but the development they would want me to investigate and file a report on that guy. So the guys that you're talking about these would be apple employees or leakers outside of apple moat actually so we've primarily focused on some of the episode employees that i knew of personally and the resellers in china so the results are not related. Beppo arts they have a connection with folks cones typically management. And that would allow them. To bypass any scrutiny. That apple was on site. The assembly lines right. So this is this is this is sort of where i think. Most people assume the Entry point would be somewhere in china. That's where the supply chain is. And where the where the products come from an often. You'll i don't know. See some video emerge about an upcoming iphone. Let's say even on the hardware side and it would be some. You know a cell phone camera video early stages i mean..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"I also got charged with journalists. I think the first guy i ever worked with was new york man of nine to five mac right on ange. That's how that i bet. Grow article happened which i've had pro article. Are we talking about not advice. Article on that specific with mentioned ninety. Five meg paying me on accord information that they had i guess by license Ethics code or whatever. So you were you were at this time. You were essentially sailing leaks to Anybody information Credentials etcetera documents. Things like this you would you would you. People could purchase from you for whatever reason they wanted including those in the community that would have earned money from posting these leaks. Yes gotcha so basically about as stupid. Because most of this things never actually work superposed. Someone buys an app that just used so liam for example by epo retail stores and blow. They've bought in They can't really use it. Because most of the sahara you'd by gruden shows all by the not only by natural team and basically it lists seventy percent of all things he would need both both both the credentials and you better be built apple being vajpai by just does not work. So why would so. Why would they buy it. They would think they would. They could maybe be able to find a way to make it work. S most of them actually thinking about by steel and it was still that south stopped flying clubs that bonday. They'll be able to figure out something i see. So you're you're in this community. You're making money I mean presumably You're enjoying that. I don't know but what at what point does apple reach a. How does that change for you. So at one point. I realized that i was ugly. And happy with more diapers doing our. I saw old by his that. Iran about it but also there is selfish. Recent and that being said i've started to listen to lose clients so it was. It was a job that took don's of effort donoso connections donzel lots of time and didn't bring that much learn And gets my biggest mistake. Is that by the few Zolia on that korea. Bob hopes that it would lead somewhere but it did not and at that point i remember that still had all those contacts with see no within the departments dental So i reached out to them guests. My intention was to offer help in betcha. Howard may be all of these sources of leaks information in exchange for anything. And i have a. I don't think i have a in new decide. Manson them and on what. I expect it from them in return so so did it. Did apple ever pay you for this job..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"So and his mic ranchos. Sorry saints. I started to record in pains. I won't allow the things and the band which was a little unexpected. Be against what type of account or are we talking about here. While it's epo connect count and it's something an uncle ably would normally use. So it's basically any accounts that registered to the athol dot com domain. Okay got it all right. Go ahead and continue. So i don't him that that he's a gallon gar bank and sabotage and told me about all right. You can have more than mobis like to continue. And that's vanessa Asking him when that's the now started asking him questions. Mild hall god them. Why the by the go so many different names and his gowns etcetera etcetera and Had enough information about what he was doing and how he was doing it. I basically jobs cop a random at apple dot com address and emailed them a couple of later thoughtless moyal. I think he is still handle. Gs deem a dapple. He got in touch with me and he said he told me that. The case was worth investigating and that he'd be joined in a team to basically dunk to me and to collect all the data that i've had or mayhem this point. And they were able to batch up. Dave enforced to indication with an apple. So now whenever you crates in a car owned napoli you're obliged to authorize and device that he'll be using and have some form of jifei enabled and that's been on this to interest me so some of its fields that have shed with them. I've always supported them publicly and people notice that and that's been the money started combination. They're used to steam nicole them some day themselves. Friday apple team oldham of them are russians. And they've really interested in breaking either security and that kind of thing so they needed something to work. They want it software but was corporate of prototype form or any other development hardware so that they could de bog it bind lukoil Right side road. And i happen to have a copy of recently released. Iphone road died in my possession at the time so i reached out to them. And i've taught my she wouldn't be worth and by before anything but dull and slow they've Dropped grant in bitcoin to my bullets. And i figured found. That could be a really good business. So i just started the in. The documents apps them as a client of luxury goods on the internet. If that if that makes any sense sure yeah i mean. Obviously there'd be people interested in such things. Yeah basically was guess Stupid deal. I people to pay me at least bond grin and for them to cup older data. That had men's and surprisingly people agree to that. And if you're my best. I was making at least granted. Run hop Just of old stuff..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"We have a very highly anticipated. Show here moment interview Very excited to be joined by. Andre shimane sha. Mako is that have. I pronounced that correctly. Correct okay. perfect So thank you so much for coming on here. You have a a wild story. As far as the tech community is concerned. We've seen this stuff posted everywhere like this double agent a headline from macrumors. The verge I think Vice we talked. I mean it's just like this. This story is going all over the place. So it's really cool to have you with us for those that don't know This is a story of i. Guess would you consider yourself. a leaker is is. what kind of title Lieko would probably be more accurate. Okay nelson's yes. Oh a a leaker who is a part of the to a certain extent of apple leagues but at the same time was affiliated with working with apple. Is that correct. No not entirely as been talked show agreement with episode you so it was a misspoken basis. It's so how did how did. And maybe we can. Just go over the story briefly of how you got started there and then and then how apple got in touch with you in sort of wear things ended up. I think the best to start how. I know odor. No community go started though. I was still in my high school years and they came across posts of some russian guy. And it's curious. I mean they deal. Having apps does documents that normally be reserved for employees is only it pretty really exciting and full by some years. It was than the end of it up until some guy reached out to him and he said that he needed help reeb sitting up. We'd be an excess on his employees account said all right. That sounds exciting. At was curious so so i like to him. I told him that i was previously related. That will that. They have all that excess. That needed. I'm sorry about that..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
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Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"Yeah i mean this little terrifying eating not wanna take that on the highway by any means. I mean it's probably legal to take. The highway doesn't have license plate at the the the show you can go up incline. It's got enough power to make the claim it's not much bigger than doodles in it and these wheels are custom. They're very thin. Why are they calling it. A ferrari with p. h. What does that mean is that funny. Maybe i'm unity. Know i don't know anything about that. Yeah cool are less last one computer. Scientists explains machine learning in five. Oh yeah. I like this series series. I the we talked about this series in the past So it's on a really popular. One was the quantum computing quantum computing crypto. One anyway wired. Do they attempt to explain something. Oh there you go season one episode. Fourteen fourteen different episodes of explaining something at five different levels of difficulty. So the video will start out. It's twenty six minutes. Video will start out with the simplest explanation intended for what like a five year old. Say a child okay. So he go child teen college student grad student all the way up to expert and so you can kind of tap wherever you want or it may be helpful to take it in different stages getting up to the level of understanding that. You're that you eventually get to if you make it to expert level. Yeah what's brilliant about. This is that there are so many levels of of attraction. And you can kind of interpret it your own way in how they're explaining it. You know these. These subjects are immensely complex. And yet they're able to distill it to even like a child innocence through using metaphor or are they find interesting ways did discuss it So did you find a you just. Did you just want to discuss this show or did you find this episode particularly interesting. It's mainly the show. Okay we'll do like just check it out. 'cause i mean this one is longer than the other ones right. Yeah i believe so But they do have a real in depth in a discussion with the expert. Obviously just to have a longer dow so. This is the expert here. And you're at a twenty minute marceau's computer scientists so it's gonna be like six minutes here. Yeah so i see what. you're saying. Some more comprehensive discussion over there very cool. Yeah i'll have to check that out machine learning and five levels. Thank you very much wired for putting out there. Cool way to learn something. No matter what level. You may find yourself..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"I mean there was this exact similar discussion around battle. Royale style after pudgy And then before that. I'm trying to remember what the what started it all. I was listening to this podcast and it was a it was a game mode. Yeah inside of armada. Is that a game. It's called a is it america's armata and listen. Man i don't i don't 'cause it was blue hole and whole was isn't that the name of the developer g considered nano nano here. You're getting carried away. Here is in. The game is armada. Just type armata yeah. I'm pretty sure. Maybe i'm wrong. Dale we see so bad at this. Do armata battle rail. We are dying. We are did armata battles a free to play browser base naval hanging though a. It's this one here rarely we. This is so much easier to do. All we have to do is put pub g go to the wikipedia and it's gonna be there. Yeah i think it was the ride from. This could be completely wrong here. Tight blue hole right now or two deep though we need to get some actual information here there you go. Whoa attached great.
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"They have won skips the android where is still is solar still has a heart rate monitor but is sort of semi smartwatch approaches less money than this but this was their latest. I thought i swear. I could have thought sentencing email Either way whatever. Send it if you hear this. Or maybe i just buy it and check it out. I don't know but I'm curious it's big though. You gotta have fat wrists chunky wrists to wear this thing 'cause all the images i'm seeing is like is a big watch that move bro. But i think the apple watch is ready for a redesign. I don't know this is the right one but right now it's a little curvy in the phones. Have that flat thing going on so this would make sense to me And its slender. It looks like he got slimmer as well so as a fitness tracker and was important to people. Do they say anything else about it. Oh here we go. Latest said of leaked cad renders upcoming apple watch series high quality all flat design larger speaker grilles classic digital crown apple popularized. Okay i mean. It's not i don't know what else they can really tell us here. Updates are concerned but yeah if ending it really slim. I think the fitness types appreciate such a thing Apple research outlines ways iphone digital. Id's may be checked in the future. I feel like you read this. And you're gonna give us acidic breakdown right now because i that's kind of an ambiguous headline No i just Like this little Diagram here that shows what happens if you get pulled over In instead of just having your wallet and having your drivers license and insurance it would all be on your phone. I see your. Id and In in this kind of use case. It's quite seamless in terms of getting pulled over Basically the cop would have a device that would just scan your phone and then it would have all your information there and he can or they can just issue you. A ticket unfortunately has a funny. It's a funny. There's no one enjoys whatsoever but it could be applied to you know you know. Check at the airport or something. I just as smart ide- basically a smarter light area wallet. You're one of those things that is great and and of course you want it but at the same time it's terrifying because it's an how much information or are is now being shared a around one profile is not distributed in any way It's all so centralized it's like apple has already has most of your life and then they have that much or mean. Google could be doing the same thing working on his. Take your pick whichever company it is there now reaching into your Like they could share this information. I'm not saying they would. But with the insurance companies. And then i mean it's so many your license weirdly connected to things that seems logical. It just seems like a matter of time before all this happens. And it's all tied to this one digital ide- But this this this definitely needs to be approached with caution for sure google pixels. Google pixel six won't have a charter in the box..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"There are a little different yet. They're kind of the same causes cinnamon involved. If they're both fresh. I would say a beaver tail. Great i on a winter day. Be tales actually are but still. It's another back in order. You had it you had that. Oh yeah you got pictures and everything. Here we go. This is another one you can top it. All kinds of crazy ways Put everyone on it. But i always ended up going with the classic actually not the classic classic i do the classic with the lemon and this is not what you would think you would want but eleven cinnamon and lemon together is delicious. So it's not a lot of. I think they just it's like a little bit of Lemon they like just barely drizzle barely squeeze it. It cuts the sugar. I don't know man what it does own like a little lemonade thing happening on their ron. What it does. I like this while crazy crazy but for me so messy. Now i'm eating. i hear you. Yeah so massieu meeting that. Give you a rapper. You can figure it out but it's just deep fried dough for people who just listening. Yeah for people who aren't canadian because this is a canadian and they sprinkle cinnamon sugar on top and they always have at the tourist destinations. Like if you go to blue mountain music parks or you ski hills or anything like that and in the winter is when it's popular tiny. Get it with a hot drink as well. What are we doing well rain back in. Why did you this to me. Why don't you give me a beaver. Tail anyway double agent. Yeah shoutout double agent. I think about the ringtone new ringtone because z four three double agent Make oh come on the show opening vite we want to hear you want to hear it all works. What does he say. he says. He's been serving as an informed for apple for a long time Scroll to the very bottom. He kept in touch with employees and later learned. He had been fired by apple. I just wanted to be heard for once and the story. I tell to be truthful. Okay come on the show. Let's talk it out..
Lew Later
"double agents" Discussed on Lew Later
"Hundred years old. Yeah you feel it. Apple secretly had a double agent in the iphone. Leaker community apple secret agent imagine. That's your job investigating on behalf of apple. Why guess you'd be a secret. Asian if you announced it like that the listen. The leaking stuff is obviously out of control so so many leaks at people. Hit me up all the time. Probably this guy probably the double agent message me that hey man I heard you like apple stuff. Can you tell me what you know about leaks. And then i would be like. Oh it's this guy over here it's always hooking it up and then they go investigate Become friends with that guy and then and then that guy leads into the guy in a factory that leaks schematics or whatever have to be an e. Try to work their way backwards. They really care. It seems about secrecy. Even though it seems nothing is secret anymore so at some i mean how much do you keep carrying. We see everything now before comes out. Where's this surprise so must be many double agents. Ages are doing a good job and very taste time. The whole thing is leaking out. Where's my double agent at there. Might be a double agent at on bucks therapy me. That's otis. Don't column dj guys. He's a double agent. Dj for more than a year. A member of the iphone leaks and gio in community was actually serving as a double agent for apple by secretly providing the company with information about other leakers according to motherboard. show those models mockup models. I bought those are some guy as well you know but then he told me after. Please don't say you bought these off. So i don't know who who getting caught what's to issue us getting in trouble. Somebody's getting in trouble. The report claims that andrei shem sha mako who was known as y our age zero for e. How about that for a double agent name. Hi sir Can i help you. I see how do i. What name do i put on the reservation. Y r h zero four e..
Conversations
"double agents" Discussed on Conversations
"He'd made his way he'd gone through jersey and then into australia and he got caught defrauding people out of their money in austria and was in prisoner say served six months in australia and then was met by scotland yard. He walked out of the prison and escort back to england for. I think it was very long eighteen months. And that's when he rehabilitated. It finally made sense. That crime didn't pay and he went straight for ten years and they gave him some assistance. Steady do when he went straight. What sort of things did he do for work. Then well it was like a hard labor. So i guess sticking roads and putting things but then they realized he had away with managing men and things that they made him more responsible for things and then the community gave him a chance in life they actually gave him a position where he looked he could look after to the unemployed and he did a great job with it semi must've been chiming he must have been magnetic Conan i suppose you have to have those kind of qualities you have to be able to lie but you have to be able to convince people that you're trying very persuasive. So you know he he either. He genuinely was who he was when he'd gone straight in an had hit large parties of men like hundred men and it would be making certain that they did certain tasks and then of course because the social services the peyton was his royal highness wales so he then was trusted to do events for him and in the dorchester in places like that. It's remarkable. did he get married again. I'm almost nervous to ask these. But after alma this is before world war two. Did he get married again in that he did to vera. Nellie fudge isn't it a lovely name you want to eat it. And and they had a child and long after the little boy was born headed off to sri lanka to import silken to england. And and then they came back and just before world war two. He disappeared and she went to the local police station. Burston said you know my husband's missing. And that's when she found out vera found out for the first time of his criminal activity and she was shocked. She had no idea but what had actually happened. He was living with a nozzle mistress in london called k. Who would play quite a significant role in his spine in world war two broadcast online. This is conversations with. Sarah ski him. We'll conversations anytime on the abc listening to abc dot net dot edu slash conversations..
The Indicator from Planet Money
Hi Lo Silver
"Taiwan is a director and global markets. At the bank of montreal. He wanted us to stress. his comments. reflect his personal opinions and are not the official position of the bank of montreal. So i asked him to give me his thoughts about the very essence of silver. Sometimes we call in our circles the devils metal because when it moves it can sit for a long time and not wrote but when it moves it can move rapidly and with a certain amount of viciousness fed devils metal sunday commodities trading seems way more exciting than it usually does like the devils metal sounds very treacherous so there are several theories that have been bouncing around the market now a bites spike in silver. And why it happened and who is behind it and let's not forget silvers. Thirteen percent swing oviously pales in comparison to the nearly five hundred percent jump in price that game stop stocks or last week. But that doesn't mean that there weren't any casualties in the silver market. Yes there were winners and losers ryan. I asked tie with a maybe that was the whole point. That like with game stop stock. Some traders might have tried to talk up the price of silver with the aim of hurting some big wall street players who are in the silver market. So that's the first theory and it was one that tired hurt as well. The stories made. It's made its way on reddit. Which one was that j. P. morgan was desperately short Silver and would have to cover. This was a way to get a j. p. morgan which is The biggest bank in the united states that conspiracy theory has been around for a long time. It is also a canard jiffy morgan's one of the biggest bullion banks in the world. They lend lot of metal out but they typically do not lend it out uncollateralized they lend metal but you have to give them dollar so while they may be short metal in a location for a short period of time. It's never anything that could come anywhere near to bringing a major bank to its knees much less. Jp morgan so this was already going after j. P. morgan no j. p. morgan not in in the crosshairs got it so theory to then so those. This bows going around. Maybe some of the short seller's who got squeezed on game stop last week have been trying to distract what ty likes to call the red legions to shift their attention and their money and their trading activity to silver. That seems a little farfetched. I think if you were short. Jimmy and amc Entirely consumed with trying to make sure your position workout. You had enough funding the hold as long as you could. I'm not sure if those would be the folks who would open up another another front in the in the war. So to speak against the raiders. You can't dismiss it completely out of hand but that seems fairly unlikely so this wasn't like the short seller's strike back no okay well we'll maybe not or maybe it was just a bad strike maybe just about strike strike so theory three then that some traders who long silver which means that they own it an expected to rise in price. Maybe they kind of infiltrated the the red at message boards in order to jack up the price of silver so that they could then make some money. Yeah they they were like double agents kind of double agents in the market. Exactly that you know. That is an appealing narrative. If you're if you're long and you are and you're trying to push the market with with news like this even though you could certainly great reddit account and use a vpn and try to keep your anonymity. This would clearly be considered. I think mark manipulation. Now i'm not an attorney but this type of thing that might lend a a clever entrepreneur. A long stay in federal penitentiary in. That's pretty that's a pretty steep price to pay if you're a silver traitor and you join read it and say like hey everybody jump into silver. You literally go to jail. You could literally go to jail so that seems like the stakes are a little bit too high for me. That is a high price to pay for the devils medal and indeed. So it's maybe not that either but the fact is that something did happen to silver this week tie. It was like a combination of rumors and the willingness of silver traders to grasp this opportunity that was presented to them by this price surge the mindset of market makers and many traders are. Oh you want to push it. You push as much as you like and once you're done we'll see where we end up in It will go on it. We'll go on trading and doing what
America First with Sebastian Gorka
George Blake death: British double agent dead in Russia at 98
"George Blake, former British intelligence officer who worked as a double agent for the Soviet Union and passed some of the most Kevin in Western secrets to Moscow, is died in Russia. He was 98 years old. Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed his condolences handing Blake has a quote brilliant professional and a man of remarkable courage.
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
British double agent George Blake dies in Russia at 98
"One of the soviet union's most notorious spies has died. Fox's paul stevens tells us about. George blake who passed away in russia at the age of ninety eight was a former british intelligence officer who worked as a double agent for the soviet union passing some of the most coveted western secrets to moscow during the cold war blake at one time exposing a western plan to eavesdrop on soviet communications from an underground tunnel into east. Berlin black lived in russia since escaping from british prison. In one thousand nine hundred sixty six.
BBC Newshour
British double agent George Blake dies in Russia at 98
"President of Russia. Vladimir Putin has paid tribute to the notorious Cold War spy George Blake, who died in Moscow aged 98. Mr Putin described him as an outstanding professional. Blake was a Soviet double agent working the British Secret Service. Here's Gordon Correra. George Blakes. Treachery did enormous damage betraying agents, summits thought to their deaths, as well as operations, like the tunnel built by the British and Americans under Berlin to spy on Soviet communications. He showed the KGB could run agents deep in the heart of the British state. Creating distrust in Washington on his escape from prison compounded the national embarrassment. A decade ago. I asked Blake if he would explain why he did it. It's no longer of particular importance to me whether my motivations are generally understood or not, he replied.
Underwriters Corner
British double agent dies in Russia, hailed by Putin as "brilliant"
"George Blake, a former British intelligence officer who worked as a double agent for the Soviet Union, has passed away in Russia. He was 98 Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service, announced his death today without giving any circumstances. Surround against buys. Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed condolences. Hailing Blake is what he called a brilliant professional.
Weekend Edition Saturday
British double agent George Blake dies in Russia at 98
"Former British spy and Soviet double agent George Blake died today. According to Russian state News. He was 98. Britain, says Blake exposed the identities of hundreds of Western agents across eastern Europe in the 19 fifties, He was unmasked as working for the Soviets in 1961 and sentenced to prison in London. But he escaped to that then Soviet Union where he spent the rest of his days celebrated as a hero in Russia, and you're listening to NPR news.
Ric Edelman
British double agent dies in Russia, hailed by Putin as "brilliant"
"George Blake of former British intelligence officer who worked as a double agent for the Soviet Union, has died in Russia. He was not he ate Russia's foreign intelligence service. Announced his death today without giving any circumstances for his passing. Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed condolences. Hailing Blake is what he called a brilliant
Weekend Edition Saturday
British double agent George Blake dies in Russia at 98
"George Blake, one of the most infamous double agents of the Cold War, has died at the age of 98. The British M 16 officer was caught spying for the Soviet Union, escaping a London prison in the 19 sixties to live out his days. Ah hero in
Sports? with Katie Nolan
Lolo Jones joins the cast of ‘The Challenge: Double Agents’
"Lolo jones to olympic athletes lolo jones. The woman who is an olympic athlete who competed in both the winter and the summer olympics and like her whole storyline was that she was a virgin. Yes that lolo jones. The olympic champion world champion. She wanted me medals at the olympics. Did she could look it up it. She is competing on the challenge. I understand when we branched out to other reality shows. I was hesitant. I should never been on a reality show. Unless we're counting the olympics as a reality show and things are getting very blurry for me then things were just. It's reality go after reassess a lot of that's a lot of things about also listen to me if you are a collegiate athlete right now and you are scared and you don't know what you're gonna do in your interesting go on the challenge. Really it seems to be that way. It's the only way it's probably their plan to replace the older vets because you can't replace them with people who are manipulative get manipulated by the other. They have to push them out with literal athletes
Jim Rome
NCAA plans to move entire 68-team basketball tournament to one city in 2021; discussing with Indianapolis
"Basketball. We're joined right now by a college basketball insider for CBS Sports host of the college Hoops today, podcast. Also in front of program. He is John Rothstein, Man. John, What's going on? How are you? Never better. Only great to be with you. Good to have you, John. Great to have you here. All right, so a lot going on the blade. John announced this morning that the tournament and CW tournament will be held in one location and that they are in talks with the city of Indianapolis. The host the entire 68 team event there. First of all, what is your initial reaction to that news? Proactive planning is always better than reactive planning. Jim and you have to sit your captain Dan Gavin, and everybody's the NC. Double A for this. We know that we're in uncharted territory. We know that we're in a once in a century type global pandemic. Now we're in a situation where we have a plan and after they're just hanging up On a call with then gather it. He made it very, very clear. And once the team heads to that area, where the NC double a permanent hold and the NC double agent endeavoring to lock up, according to get it, the city of Indianapolis as that host city by January, 1st. Once a team travels to that city, it will not be permitted to leave. Until that team is eliminated from the empty double a tournament. John Rothstein is joining US John the tournament has been scheduled to start in Dayton on March 16th and 17th. Do you still expected to start at that time? Or could you see it moving back at some point? You know, one of the things that's interesting. Jamie's Dan Gavitt said that you know, because of the different protocols that have to be in place in order to successfully pull off a tournament in a short period of time. The calendar may not be the same for March. Madness as it normally is. It's an in perfect year. It's an imperfect season. But the bottom line is this Jim at the end of the day, and I know I might be the perennial optimist. We see so many people so coming to the negativity that goes on in our world today because of obviously everything that is going on in our world today, But it is time like this. You have to look at the positive or their programs shut down in college basketball. Did a covert 19. Absolutely. Did the Ivy League cancel one of sport's last week to the cove in 19? Absolutely, but the facts of the fact. Over 90% of the Vision. One programs as of today are up and running, and the facts of the fact. There's going to be set back. There's going to be cancelation. But we're having a college basketball season and we're having an NC double A Parliament. If that doesn't get you excited seven days a week and twice on Sunday, I don't know what does
Jonny Gould's Jewish State
Eva Schloss on Holocaust forgiveness
"This S Charlie Goals Jewish. States those who listen for those who are willing to listen. Now. Thank you very much. tweed action. and. I've. Lived a long time and have experienced a lot of wonderful things but Israel. I'm believable Bihar. And of course, it leaves it says sign on my way overlooking. World. Let's just bring it back to today in this country. I think it's fair to say that British Jews experienced a visceral form of antisemitism that they have never done before with the election of Jeremy Corbyn, the leader ship of the Labor Party and the genuine threat that should he have won the election in December twenty nine hundred thank goodness didn't that Future, existence in the united. Kingdom. was under threats. Can I ask you in this for years of quite quite considerable pain for the Jewish community here? Could you feel parallels with what she experienced in Vienna announced the damage as a child not at all not at all and no people's starting to be afraid he upset about it. But as always say Sicily announcing and you know unfortunately antisemitism has always been and always be I don't know why but it is affects. Who is essential his and? It does it's just. It's language. So it's subsequent assist inborn in the people, but it is thus Mention it just same. Like what this I'm doesn't. Nazi. Time. So I must say, it doesn't really bother me and mustard personally offend million may. Not experienced any antisemitism in again thank you for making that clear. Now, you lived in the same apartment block in Amsterdam and frank, and you were only a month apart in Asian. Playmates together in early teenage, and then in nineteen forty two, you both went into hiding to avoid the Nazi effort to capture Jews in Amsterdam. Now, you'll family was captured by the Nazis after being betrayed by double agent in the Dutch underground and transported to Auschwitz. You father and brother didn't survive the ordeal, but you and your mother were barely alive while you afraid by Soviet troops in nineteen, forty five. How Did it feel. To have left your home city of the Anna. To try and create new life understood them. And for that to happen to you, even as you fled from way you used to. Well as it was. At tangible tangible time. Have a very happy little girl in Australia had old plaza who was Like older process should be very protective for me. I have a sort of a viable child. It was much more at a bookworm and he had to be all his stories which he was dating Again. Pants. Kaslow's advice Elliott wonderful family life, and then to go to Belgium. Glad we got out of Australia Benny. Many of our family members didn't because it was spent thirty eight. It was very difficult to get past the German Jews had already gone to England and land, and France and everywhere, and most of those companies did the daily want any more Jews? So only if you're somebody special. got visas any more. But advising referenced in Jim and then Mefatha actually lift in Holland and remain Belgium, and of course, the war stock that my father had asked to get as well to Holland because in a war board as will be closed and view may not be able to see. So in in forties ewing's a wall that in February nineteen forty because visas to for three months to visit by Fassa in in Holland. So relief like you say on the same Dressy not an apartment block, it was a hold area of. More than it'll buildings and there was eleven years old. But of course, you know ahead on trust French said ahead to Dutch Andam. difficult to accept that Baz also children and even by the teaches and. So lost all my confidence. became shy Biz stone but friendly and eventually settled down. But of course, the Nazis invaded. And, of course, a measures Jewish people started to come. And for two years VI IN FIA to be arrested. And in nineteen forty two, then southbound young people go to call up notice have to come to a place respect pex given exactly start Schefter Blake to deported to Germany to work in German factories. But Zach to him benighted forty-two most of German Jews had been deported to get us or two camps. So why on Earth should your one more young Jewish be to Cup to Germany? So Zet sit time when Anna's Fazah auto frank and my father and many other Jewish feminists is cited civil send Sam young people, but we would go into hiding. While I was just sit at ten years old. And my father called us together. And he said, hence, you not going to set you we going to hiding. But we couldn't find a family who was to take it for people. So we have split up. I go visit my Mazda enhance feel bismuth files. And that started to cry. And did not want to be separated the game.