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Stephen Guffanti MD

Swimming Upstream Radio Show

22:36 min | 2 years ago

Stephen Guffanti MD

"Hello welcome it's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who at this very minute is swimming upstream because it is impounded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy. Keep awaiting hi. This is Dorothy Wilhelm and we are swimming me upstream once again. I gotta get to do bathing suit as you know the minute. The reason we swim upstream is that isn't crowded here and you meet people that you wouldn't have you wouldn't have a chance to meet any other time tate. Today's guest is very special to me because he's caused me to remember something that was really important. In the life of our family and I'm remembering back today to the day that doctors told me that my youngest the Sun would never read for pleasure. I sat right down and cried. It seemed like such a terrible thing that he'd be missing and that's why I was interested right away. When I had the chance to talk to Dr Steven a funny <hes> who is Preventive Medicine physician in Florida Sarasota Yes yes and you can see that I'm not on first name terms with with scientific things but I sure am with with dyslexia and that's what Dr Davonte has developed a new system that is really going to be helpful to children with dyslexia and with any problems keeping them from reading so doctor Dr so pleased to have you here? Welcome thank you Dorothy House every little thing well things will be better. My wife is up doing up in Massachusetts doing her fifty year reunion union high school reunion and so without my wife I'm I'm just a mess up. Of course she will fifty year. Reunion are very fun. However might fifty year reunion was on nine eleven and so nobody else so anyway? Well tell me I really really interested in hearing about the the discoveries you've made in terms of teaching children to read. I know you had remarkable success assess. You sent me a picture of Darling six-year-old named miracle who could not read until she met you. Tell me what happened. Well I'm Thursday. She came in with her brilliant smile and I asked her if she wanted to play rocket phonics go fish. She said sure she knew go fish. So we played go fish. She beat me a soundly at every game and we played about three games and at the end of the three games I had introduced her to the rocket phonics thirty six <hes> symbol sound system and that's what that means is right yeah. That's that's your discovery are. Are Your <hes> product really invention. That's the word I was looking for <hes> and tell me why it's different you know they're frankly speaking and you know this. There have been so many things that I. I suppose to work and some work better than others but nothing seems to work perfectly. What what what are you most? <hes> phonics programs used the twenty six letter alphabet Mo- unfortunately English has thirty six sounds so they end up giving you multiple sounds for <hes> the letters and then they tell you oh and by the way the letter may have no sound at all maybe silent which doesn't serve the child right the child needs to know what's the sound end the word that they're trying to read. Can you go. We give me an example of what that would <hes> would be. I know that makes is silent but tell me a word pretend. I don't know English that well many would say that's the case <hes> but would be okay so <hes> first of all we teach the thirty six sounds so one of the sounds is like the letters C. H.. For the just sound chip shirt so now miracle knows all thirty six sounds right yeah because she played go fish with me so the next day miracle comes is in and we show her words that are phonetic and she gets to read them so she sees <hes> she does a couple of them and then she does one on her own why and then she was excited. As convenient I can read I can read it is a wonderful what she really. She was able to sound it out that fast that sounds remarkable but let me ask yes so unfortunately about half are common words. <hes> the words that most five year olds know are not phonetic so let's take a non phonetic word like the word one. Oh any okay so the oh would be we would gray out the Oh and we'd tell miracle it's the letter can't keep its color can't keep it sound and then the end would be blue and the e would be gray and underneath theo would be <hes> in black W and so I would say to miracle Oracle so the sound for that Oh w what's the sound for W.. Why you why <hes> now blend him one and so that's how we make the entire English language one hundred percent phonetic without changing the spelling because <hes> over time as they <hes> AH sound out the different words will start to recognize words? If you don't change with spelling well it'll change but that seems really sensible. I see that she not only did miracle learn to read but she the enjoyed it so much. She taught her stuffed animals. I just love that picture. Tell me how that were that that was actually my daughter Stephanie. So here's the story okay. I I come home from work and my wife greets me with do know what your daughter said so I immediately know that whatever my sweet little girl said it was probably not pleasing to my wife because otherwise. Ah Her daughter Said No. She said she's not going to learn to read and I said Oh that's okay with me and my wife who is a former English teacher. You said well. It's not okay with me well. I'M NOT GONNA fight with my daughter and I'm not gonNA fight with my wife that is basically a prescription for suicide so we took out our daughters stuffed animals and we taught her to read but we we taught the stuffed animals to read and they never cried got it but by third grade my daughter was reading twelfth grade level will be you have had that exempt something that you've had such astonishing good results also say a little more about the groups of children you will work with these are not kids that have been generally advantage. These are kids that probably were expected not to do too much <hes> we sold rocket phonics to the homeschooling community and I I don't know if you know much about homeschooling community but about eighty five percent of those kids learn to read so our target market circuit was the fifteen percent that were learning because rocket phonics is about. I don't know four or five times more expensive than what they're expecting so what happened well. No I the kids learn trade. <HES> WE ended up selling to about eight percent of the home school market it was it was great <hes> but before I sold it. I took the program to U._C._L._A.. Because I didn't want to create just one more reading program if it were if it only worked with my daughter and U._C._l._A.. Tested it against <hes> <hes> with forty homeschool kids and our kids on average gained nearly four times the skill level of the controls and no one did worse than great level improvement. I know our our average growth was <hes> roughly a year and three months and our best student Gut two point six years in three months now the thing is <hes> you you just have to barrel ahead because <hes> we had seen each other so it's a little bit difficult but the the C. The function of the host is every once in a while to say something meaningful yet all external expensive to show the audience that the host is still alive. Now we know the audience doesn't care but that's the way it is this is this is what you do but now while I was sitting there listening to you waiting for a break I really I i. I think this is the time to say why you are exactly the person to make this incredible breakthrough in terms of reading you have as as they used to say or maybe they still do. You've got some skin in negate happens you yes so you're GonNa make me cry any right. I know I hope my brother and I are both dyslexic. Although I doubt my brother would ever admit to it <hes> and <hes> so when my daughter didn't WanNa learn to read that the. Recent was okay with me because <hes> I I know the pain of struggling <hes> the reason <hes> but but there was one other reason that is <hes> <hes> I started out my medical career <hes> in L._A.. County jail which is basically children killing children and <hes> if you've ever had to tell a parent that their child is dead you know because of a stray bullet. This is something that I would never wish on anybody any rate <hes> <hes> before Stephanie made her declaration that she wasn't going to learn to read <hes> but long after I left L._A.. County jail I did a study that showed that the kids would stop killing one another. I just knew how to read. That's that's most inmates fourth grade. Can I just ask you why that with that. Seem such an astonishing I I do know and understand because of my kids how important it is to learn to read and yet that seems an astonishing thing to say that they would live if they could read you. GotTa say more about that. Well you want to know about the study. It's answer their numbers so he's a number of studies but basically here's the the essence of what's going on. I would like <hes> if you are a child who can't read you who can't read at grade level. You don't understand your textbooks so school becomes more and more frustrating really only by third grade. You've decided whether you're going to to survive the school thing or not yeah so if you've decided you're not GonNa make it you mentally and emotionally dropout and end <hes> because they keep pushing this game on you. Call it school that you're going to lose every day for <hes> thirteen years you pay the kids tend to develop Valla parade and then on top of that as they close in on on graduation assuming they do graduate. You've got <hes> kids that no they have no future they have no oh hope right. Nobody's going to hire an illiterate <hes> kids from the from the ghetto and <hes> you know the girls have an option they can get pregnant and go on welfare but the boys don't have that option and <hes> and so they join gangs now the average life of a gang member well nineteen so that means half of them die before then the other half tie after that's world of the inner city. How did you keep from getting discouraged? What what made you obviously you come to believe and you've seen the the impact of what learning to read can do how did you I think it must have been your own experience? That gave you the courage because I think it does take courage to go on and do this. Well <hes> first thing. I did actually was look for somebody else who had done it not finding anybody else who I said Okay Hey <hes>. My wife wants my daughter to read. My daughter doesn't WanNa read my options are to play games with my daughter so she doesn't know she's learning to write but I'm not going to fight with my my daughter. I don't think I've ever won. I fight with my daughter will know probably not so <hes>. If you understood the neuro anatomy of reading it the solution would be extraordinarily obvious to you <hes> fortunately I'm Dr. I understand so basically what we're doing is we're using the speech pathway and we're hooking up the sound parts of the words to the <hes> visual section of the brain. That's about as technical so I'm going to get. I like that I understood that that was good in the way you do it so that your your people know what I'm talking about it. <hes> you sound out the your sound out the words that's how you connect the visual to the due to the <hes> to speak pathway it sounds so simple but what about now and we're going to tell them in just a minute at how people can connect with your wind get more of your program at all that but before we do that for and to our right now today with the kid is home on in the summer and not doing all you'd like them to do is there anything apparent can do right now to help their child. You think your turn <hes> well. It depends on the age of the child right. If the channel is a preschool child <hes> you can get the the rocket phonics plane read cards which will give you a sound now sound and a letter and a picture for every <hes> sound in the English language and <hes> that will give them a strong phonics program if you feel your child is uh reading phonetic words already and <hes> you'd like to <hes> you'd like to move faster get the entire kit. <hes> remember that little boys like to move around so play games. We've got maybe a dozen or two games in the book and the Kit that allow the child to <hes> move run around the mom while he's learning to read so please as to that don't don't make them sit sitting say boy. I Q I told you before sit still do that right no in fact sometimes I say let's get rid of the chairs yeah. That's what I say. I was actually say something I was going to say what a great idea. That is 'cause I have. I have a young grandson that suffers with this and I know that that's one of the things is he just cannot be still. He just can't yes so. I don't want to bore you with them arise but a composite mariah boy under eight we'll show you that he's thinking about. Up Movement no matter what you're talking to him about and if you want to engage the full brain than let him move while you're teaching that is beautiful that is actually worth the price of admission which you know that that was just wonderful because it because that is how boys are you can't do a darn thing about it. You know that you're not supposed to supposed to the men and women were designed for totally different purposes. I yeah politically correct but what the research it sure does anyone who has raised boys and girls I have raised four boys and two girls and they are mostly all senior citizens now and believe me. I know I should talking about however in order to let our audience know a little more. We are now down to that moment. When I must say Dr Steven go find he has been our guest today and just we've just barely been able to scratch the surface of the information that he has been able to uncover the thing about letting the boys move that alone? If you were here I would certainly give you dinner because that was worth it <hes> but how can people get in touch with you or find your program online online. We're at <hes> rocket PHONICS DOT COM. Tom And I am Dr Phonics at rocket phonics Dot Com and it's D. R. Phonics that do you do you wear white coat to do that. Though I used you strive but a whole bunch of void coat but I'm in Florida now so that's all that's wrong with me. Okay well Dr This. It's been a delight and we're going to have you return in a couple of months dance and talk with us about a little bit more about and help students because they did in the whole world has now just say yes. I will come and how to treat A._D._H._d.. Without using drugs the city that so good and other Hanson you know it's just so consoling and comforting to learn that there are ways and I've been lucky that my kids had this problem before no offense before the medical profession got really involves. They all came out. Nobody nobody ever told them they could go to college and they all out but I know what a struggle and now fearful. It isn't any help you can give is more than welcome so I will look forward to seeing you again. Thank you very much say goodbye visitor swimming upstream. I believe I'll do the backstroke now and you can catch up to us at any time at it's never too late DOT COM or S._O._B.. RADIO NETWORK DOT COM remember the S._O._B.. Stands for spunky old broads and all those are women over fifty and we're having a lot UH. I want you to join us so anyway. Thanks thanks again Dr Steven to find the and watch me float by this is Dorothy. Thanks for listening to swimming upstream Dorothy Wilhelm. We'll be back next week with more gray casts.

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Ep. 2: A Case of Rape

Cold

1:08:51 hr | 5 months ago

Ep. 2: A Case of Rape

"I need to talk to you for a moment before we get started. This is normally where i advise you of the content of this podcast discussions of murder domestic abuse sexual assault and so forth and adviser discretion in listening. Please hear me when. I say this episode in particular deserves not just discretion but also consideration on your part about whether you really want to listen and if so about when how and with whom you choose to do so what you are about to hear includes a depiction of a woman's rape and the events which immediately followed the level of detail goes beyond what you might normally expect. From a news report people with firsthand or even secondhand lived experience in this realm. Might find this episode particularly difficult. I've spent a great deal of time debating with colleagues and personally deliberating about how best to present this part of the story. This episode represents might imperfect attempt to find a balance in showing the truth of what happened to joyce joost against the risk of harm to survivors of similar assaults. It is in no way. My intent to titillate you exploit joyce or sensationalized. The topic of sexual assault. So if you choose at this point to proceed. Please do so with that understanding in mind. I'm sure worsley director of podcasting here. Ksl podcasts before we get started with this very difficult episode. I want to make sure you know that. Help is available. Twenty four seven if you or someone close to you has experienced rape or any other form of sexual abuse in the united states you can go to ra. I an' dot org. That's the rape abuse incest national network website at our a. i. double n. Dot org you can also call eight six five six hope to connect with free resources. No one needs suffer in silence. You are not alone. Orange orbs of streetlamp light. Strobe up the hood of joyce joost's big white oldsmobile convertible reflecting off the glass of the windshield as she drove home on the night of april. Third nineteen eighty-five. Joyce had spent the evening having dinner with a man at a supper club called the pure three. She had left a bit after ten pm driving toward the parliament where she lived alone on the corner of fortieth street and liberty avenue in south ogden. Utah she had not realized someone was following her and i pulled in my driveway and some of these little red sports car pool training joyce's parking stall was third of four in the carport outside the four plex apartments. She called home. The little red car pulled up beside and slightly behind her. It's drivers stepped out before joyce it even realized what was happening. In a few short strides he had reached her door and popped it open for window down to open the myself. Amy stayed right inside the car door. That's joyce's own voice from one of the few known recordings of her. It has never before been public. The man with feathered hair and a prominent walrus moustache wedged his body between the car. Door and the chassis preventing joyce from closing it. They can't leave and doing this. They said i noticed you. Fear three and i was attracted to you. Decided to all the man said he wanted to get to know. Joyce no i would like to go have a drink and i thank you. I got two things be really word. He did not take no for an answer. They were at an impasse. Was reluctant to go. Have a drink with him. I i did chest the anything a cup of coffee. And you can come on us warrants drink and i was once hockey and so we've got that danger joyce knew from experience that the path to safety was narrow. She had to tread with care acting nice to avoid stinging strangers. Pride not name date. If yeltsin's lead by saddam this time. On the meantime i brought up the type said i obviously old enough to be your mother matter and ice two zero to joyce didn't typically date younger men and she did not intend to start with this guy but he wouldn't leave. He continued standing next to her blocking the car holding her captive without touching her. That is until he did. This is cold season two episode to a case of rape from ksl podcasts. I'm dave collie back with more. In just a moment the man who stood at the site of joyce joost's oldsmobile had heard enough with swift stroke. He grabbed joyce's neck with one hand. She felt the grip of his fingers on her throat. Squeezing her trachea stealing her voice she writhed trying to break free everybody rollers and he was forced on and told me if i scream said saying that he lived here my throat open. Joyce's pounding heart seemed to shriek in protest her skull throbbing to the rapid beat of her excluded. Pulse the man leaned in placing the weight of his body against her. He pressed her flat across the oldsmobiles split bench. Front seat realize. I was a rate situation and i wasn't just list somebody. That was being a little bit worse. That i was going to be able to get let terror surged through joyce she flailed her legs and arms swinging infused with the desperate vitality of self preservation. She kicked so hard. Her shoes flung right off of her feet. She scratched her attacker with her long acrylic fingernails using such force. Some of those nails split were torn. Clean off is. That was my natural reaction. I can see that was doing good after some time seconds or minutes. Joyce couldn't tell the man's grip loosened she gasped and struggle to make sense of what was happening realizing that i was in raped situation. I decided i've got to do some thinking here about how to handle this. She started to talk tossing out any reason that might dissuade him. She said she was pregnant. Even though she wasn't she said her husband was inside and he would come out and find them. Even though she wasn't actually married he didn't care. The man told her to stop fighting and he told her they should take a drive. He wanted me to go to his place. And i said no i was not going. Joyce feared going with this man to his house would mean the end of her life. that's why she dared. Say no sit. You wanna right here nice. Yes i decided at this point to who operate. It wasn't as though he'd given her an actual choice. A spams pulled up my dress look down. He proceeded of sexual joyce's language here is clinical and precise in a bid. I will share more about the circumstances behind this recording which should help explain her choice of words for now though just understand joyce calling this sexual intercourse does not adequately describe what was happening to her while forcing himself upon joyce demand also tore. Open the front of her shirt waist. Dress the thread connecting three of its buttons snapped those buttons clattered onto the upholstered carseat joining the severed fragments of joyce's fingernails joyce doer the indignity hoping. When the man had satisfied himself he would leave her in peace. But that's not what happened enough or you still was insistent. High joyce's thoughts were jumbled. I absolutely did not want to that. She offered a silent prayer in her mind. Begging god for help. Figured i wasn't going to have any choice. Her hands swept about the car fingers. Frantic to find some way of defending herself. The came across an object cold and metal her keys. Joyce's knuckles closed around them. She saw her target as she looked up at the shadowed face of the man atop her. Her arm swung upward driving the blade of one of those keys toward the dim spot where she believed the man's i would be. He caught the glint of it. Coming and recoiled a fraction of a second before the blow landed. I was hoping to get in. The is but i m right alongside. The ellison cited face. The key raked down the left side of the man's nose. Tearing open the skin around the curve where his nostril and cheek met blood raised. In the wound he grappled joyce again shook her and threatened to kill her. He had a gun he said so she had better behave. The man straightened up and pulled up his pants. Joyce saw an opportunity to get a hold of my work. Hoping that. If i just did that neighbor Department compassi would come out. The car's horn shrieked in the quiet of the night. The means arm shot out his hand once again gripping her throat. He yanked her out of the car and tossed her onto the ground. That was a total loss. Nobody came nobody by rescues. So this time my shoes raw. I didn't even have i. I didn't have my keys either. The man then dragged joyce over to his car. She tried to break free to run but the man kept hold of her. He shoved her inside his car. Pressing her head. Down into the cramped passenger footwell of the little sports coupe. Joyce was folded in half her back on the floor her legs up against the passenger seats. Headrest the man dropped into the driver's seat beside her saying again as he did so that he had a gun. One wrong move. He said and he would not hesitate to use it by this time. I am i an. I children grandkids. Everybody was flashing through my mind tonight. I i felt like my life was on the line. Joyce heard a metallic click just before he pulled out of the driveway. He did something. And i wasn't sure what he was doing. That it was like he was putting cell on the gun gun or something. He was doing something. The cars rotary engine cranked to life. The man put the car in reverse backed out onto the street then began driving away from joyce's apartment. She couldn't see a thing. The mazdas interior was all black. All she could make out were a sunroof overhead and the slats of louvers running across the back window. Don't make any wrong moves. The man said he reached his right hand across the car's center console and placed his hand high on her hip holding her in place. He pulled the hand away only for moments at a time when he needed to shift gears. I honestly think he had a weapon. But i wasn't going to take any chances either. So i offered all the way i did move didn't are you didn't try anything loud. Music played over the car. Stereo drowning out. The waspy rasp of the engine time seemed to stretch and distort. Joyce couldn't tell how long drive lasted her. Internal compass spun her sense of direction. Obliterated the car did eventually come to a stop. Joyce heard the driver door open and shut then the rear hatch popped open only to slam shot as well the next thing she knew the man was draping something over her face pressing a dark silky fabric against her is. It felt cool against the heat of bruises that were forming beneath her skin. He didn't tie the fabric around her face. Only held it in place with his hand. The blindfold made it difficult for joyce to find her balance as she more or less rolled out of the little car. The man used his other hand to push her in the direction he wanted her to go. She dared not run. Were shout by this point instead. She went along in silence. Then he led me into his house lying while live and act. Whose bedroom just less waterbed water. Joyce's throat burned. She asked her captor if she might have a glass of water. He was seemed like efforts to get me to drink. Water and ice. Look i'm not going to place. I will cooperate. Ridley's you after thinking it over. The man pulled a cigarette out of a pack lit it and gave it to joyce he lit one for himself as well then went into the kitchen to grab a beer and fetched joyce a glass of water. She glanced around the room but couldn't make out much of anything in the dark. The only light came from the glow of a digital clock radio on the headboard. She called herself and tried to think. Physical resistance had not worked. Neither had appeals to this man's sense of decency so she decided to try and negotiate when he came back with the water couples. I felt as though i was maybe talking a lot of it. I look no if you have a problem. There's something bothering you or anything. Like do the healthy less than tweets. Let's talk about and He didn't want to tell me too. Many things. Because i think i don't think he wanted me to know too much about it. I did tell him that if he didn't hurt me that i would have. Joyce wondered if something had happened to the man earlier in the night at the pierre she asked if he had had trouble with a girlfriend he started to say something then stopped apparently thinking better of it. The man said there was only one reason he brought joyce to his home. There's a conversation didn't do me much because he was ill going to precede with intercourse and told me. Non dress saw dressed. What was left of my. I cooperated with him and He stopped having intercourse for awhile. In fact we had another cigarette. He i asked him if he would. Please take me home. I said i'm very tired. After looked all these things to try and get him to take me home. I'm i'm going to interrupt here and acknowledge we are about to enter a part of this story involving description of specific sex acts. Bees are matters of fact and while difficult to here are necessary to understand later events. I include such detail only with that relevance in mind the man began again. He made demands. He ordered her to perform oral sex humiliated and terrified. She complied so. I would not i on his grounds. I don't know whether you're going to still army. The man told joyce he wanted to perform anal sex. This was too much in spite of her fear of death. Joyce said no the man insisted. She held her ground. To her surprise he didn't resort to using physical force and instead gave up on the demand a minor victory perhaps but a monumental one for joyce in that moment when he was through his home. Now yes here. Joyce noted shift in the man's demeanor he Seem to be feeling remorse. Like he can't believe. If it's an has me i fell and i said i don't feel well at all i don't mean like i was sick to my stomach. I just use not feeling well about the whole situation mentally. She found her ruined dress and wanted it into a ball. I asked him if he shows sweatshirt. Or something i can wear that. He got me a light. Blue silk hero shows. Joyce pulled the shirt over her torso. The man didn't give her any pants and then she followed him out of the bedroom. He didn't cover her. Is this time and thanks to a single light. He had left on in the kitchen. She was able to see the layout of the house. He led her threw it out the side door and onto the driveway. The moon just two days short of full painted the landscape with soft silver light. Joyce glanced around. She saw several bags of trash sitting next to the door. She noticed a carport but no garage and she saw the car or red mazda. The man led her over to the car and sat her down in the passenger seat. Right side up this time. He put his key in the ignition and turned it. The car's headlights popped up from the hood. Joyce made note of that detail. The car had flip up lights. The man backed out of the driveway then headed east in the moonlight. Joyce could see the looming figure of the wasatch mountains on the horizon unmistakable. Even at night but she wasn't sure exactly where in sunset they were. She caught a glimpse of a road. Sign that read two hundred west. The man made a few turns before ending up at a place. Joyce did recognize the on ramp. To the i fifteen freeway. At six fifty north in clearfield the city immediately to the south of sunset. The west gate of hill air force base sat just across the overpass. Joyce's sister dorothy house which she visited frequently was only a quarter of a mile or so to the southeast the pier where joyce had had dinner with her friend like spare just hours earlier was right down the road as well the man who had abducted her and repeatedly raped her seemed to be lost in thought as he steered the car onto the freeway. I'm really a nice person. He said after a time. I don't normally do things like this was feeling terrible. And he said. I probably won't ever get to see you again. I didn't even wanna tell them at that point that he was absolutely correct. Because i knew. I still wasn't home. Yeah to joyce it seemed. As though he was feeling remorse he took my hand held my hand and i said i have a feeling. You're probably a gentleman. Yeah he said. I'm the tights attempts roses and vice presence. You know those nice things. The type that sends roses the car continued. North every rotation of its tires bringing joyce that much closer to home. It exited the freeway and turned onto fortieth street. The peak of mount dogan looming five thousand vertical feet above seemed to grow larger in the windshield with each passing. Second at last joyce's apartment came into view the mazda slowed to a stop at the curb. What is your husband. That's really my problem not yours. Hopefully she said her husband would be asleep and wouldn't notice her coming in looking as she did then she wrench. The handle of the car's passenger door pushed it open and swung her legs out. Her bare feet came down onto the cool grass. I just got car had my clothes in my hand over to my car because my car still have the car to roll thing. I i my heart. He's my shoes. And i gathered up. Those things of what i phoned. The apartment door closed behind joyce with a third. She locked it a wave of emotion then washed over. Her tears cascaded down her cheeks her entire body convulsed in spasms quite circle time i was trembling shaking. Joyce didn't know quite what to do standing there in a man's shirt in the middle of the night her sense of security. She had to tell someone what happened to her but didn't dare dial the police instead. She picked up the phone and called her sister. Dorothy it was after one. Am on the morning of thursday april fourth nine hundred eighty five when the dial came awake to the sound of her telephone and startled to get across from our find meeting sericola matter. Dorothy is no longer alive but she shared her side of this experience in a police interview. She was and she said. I have been right. I told the police joyce told dorothy. She didn't want to do that. Terror still gripped her. He might come back. She said that he told he had a gun. She never seen it but he had threatened her with a one place. I really don't want him to put these that. I've watched kids raped twice and seen things on tv. That i don't want to go through. A case of rape was a made for tv movie that first aired in one thousand nine hundred seventy four it starred actress elizabeth montgomery then best known for her leading role in the tv series bewitched as a woman who is twice raped by an acquaintance. She reluctantly pursues. Charges endures a grueling experience as a witness during the criminal trial and then watches the man who raped her walk free. After being acquitted the movie had had a profound impact on joyce she did not want to go through a similar experience. Era of san for a. She didn't really know what dorothy did. Her best to calm her younger sister. Joyce began to pour out the story of what had happened to her that night. She said that she had been of friend and laugh when she got in the guideway of her apartment. A carpool in beside her. And she didn't know she had been followed. Joyce told dorothy she had never seen the man before he had attacked her without provocation abducted her and raped her more. Sugared from me the angrier. She was getting and she's calling place right now. See if you'd hope i will. I will and she was a little bit hesitant at first but she she called in. Call me back in said that she had called that in while we were still often. I have a copy of a handwritten south ogden. Police dispatch log from that night. Joyce's call to. The police came in at one fifty eight. Am the dispatcher. Sent to patrol cars to joyce's apartment officer rob carpenter i when joys answered his knock at the door. She was wearing a green velour jogging suit. She had changed out of the shirt the man had given her but she had not yet showered carpenters. Stepped inside followed moments. Later by the second officer mel hackworth carpenter began taking report from joyce rolling tape on a little hand held recorder. It's tough to make out but carpenter was asking joyce if she really wanted to go through with making a report a doubt on whether or not you really want now or not. He wasn't trying to discourage her. From what i can tell but was instead picking up on. Joyce's own hesitant. I know i mean. I joyce had after all not wanted to report the rape to police. She had done so only when pressed into it by her sister might do. I'm just saying let's say officer carpenter wasn't doubting joyce but instead giving her the opportunity to end the process there joyce considered what might happen. If she backed out she told carpenter she worried. The man who had attacked her might go on to hurt someone else and so she decided to press on to tell what had happened. She said she wasn't sure the man had had rape on his mind when he had first approached her. A bite tonight and had raghpai had no idea. She wondered aloud what had caused him to snap. She said she believed the man had a conscience and must be feeling as miserable as she was very dry. She couldn't reconcile that with what he had done. It i mean you know. I feel like tomorrow could be somebody else. Officer carpenter collected joyce's clothing. She pointed out a blood spot on the dress saying she thought it could be from the wounds had inflicted with her keys and she handed over the shirt. The man had given her to wear home. Carpenter took it all placing each item into its own brown paper evidence bag next. He asked joyce if she had a physician or gynecologist whom she saw regularly vaillant. Joyce was going to have to undergo an invasive physical exam. what's known as a rape kit. The two officers conferred about how best to proceed carpenter. Said he would start writing up a report and checking in the evidence while hackworth drove joyce back to sunset to look for the house. The three of them then walked out the carport. Joyce showed the officers wear the man had parked and how far he dragged her then. She and mel hackworth sat down in his squad car. Feel bad about it this. The victim of being now they got to sunset was about eighty seven nine five nine three point. One billion from this address forecast thirty two thirty. Three a n hackworth started driving down. Forty th street headed for sunset. He talked to joy. Says he drove probing for more specifics. Words or phrases. The man had used what she had seen or even smelled inside his house. Much of the sound. that's to follow will be difficult to understand. Listen close though and in this clip you will hear joyce say she had cooperated because the only thing worse than being sexually abused would be to die. Sailing sexually abused here again. Joyce made reference to that. Tv movie a case of rape joyce told hackworth the ending in which the rapist is acquitted by a jury and the victim's life is shattered was on her mind here. They showed her throughout the movie. He the thing that bothers me. I i had this night. Which in turn like i was and i also told hi settings iphone and sitting. I told dave i wanted. If you couldn't make that out. Joyce said she feared the rapist might have interpreted her cooperation as consent. She had told him her name and phone number because she wanted to live. She was scared. Hackworth tried to reassure joyce telling her prosecutors one rape cases all the time defense attorneys could be tough to face but he encouraged joyce not to let that deter. her hackworth drove through sunset. And just over the border into clearfield. He turned onto six fifty north and asked joyce if she recognized the route. They headed down to two hundred west. The street joyce remembered seeing assigned for when leaving the man's house hackworth drove down each cross street as joyce appeared out the window. She told him more than anything she was looking for. That red car resigned. When i'm looking car. So many ranch houses all lined up in rows all looking somewhat alike. The next few joyce struggled to find the right one telling hackworth. She thought it was going to be easier. She began to grow frustrated with herself. Watch hackworth gave her continual reassurance. He believed her up strudel. I was thinking about this straight hasley time and again. They reached the end of the street without joy pointing out a house but they did succeed in finding the road sign. She had seen this. Two hundred troops have been totally. Hackworth turned off of two hundred west on seven fifty north. The last street in clearfield before reaching the border with sunset. That's when it happened. Joyce spotted a little red mazda sitting under a carport next to a house. Hackworth hit it with his spotlight and made note of the license. Plate it read. Ww one zero one ten code. Ten twenty eight is a vehicle registration. Check the dispatcher. Recorded the address at three zero one a. m from their hackworth told joyce it was time for them to go to the emergency room. They started north toward mckay dee hospital. In ogden joy sat without speaking for a time finding herself carried along in the flow of events that felt beyond her control the relief and elation she had felt at having found her attackers hideout had all too soon given way again to fear and so she asked this police officer who sat next to her. The one question. They kept repeating in her mind. How safe am i. Hackworth said it was difficult to know. Just what was cooking in. The man's mind may just committed. Joyce told hackworth she sometimes felt fearful living alone ever since her son. Greg had moved away to attend dental school of the units in her four plex. She said only three were occupied hers into others. If her attacker came back to get her it would not be hard for him to figure out which unit was hers. The situation reminded her she said of a problem. She had had a couple of years earlier with a young college football player who had approached her. After seeing her sunbathing out in the yard one day he had been large physically imposing and very insistent he had showed up at her door in the middle of the night. Joyce had been so unnerved by it that she had filed a police report about the harassing advances. And it just so happened. That mel hackworth had also been the officer. Who took that report. You joyce said the football player had come back a year later and apologized for how he treated her. Maybe the man who had raped her that night would feel a similar stroke of guilt and confess or maybe he would just claim. It had been consensual. Joyce said she knew how it would look. Maybe she hadn't fought hard enough building one. I really can pretty well. What i was in for and i didn't want it to. I didn't wanna make any any worse. I just said no jews rectal. Yes i think. I did my on my ho- bed in my own honor and i'll there and that's where i really didn't put up to thirty two off. The patrol car pulled into a parking stall outside the hospital emergency department. It was three sixteen eight hundred six one one. Seven bill hold house wasn't sure what time it was. All he knew was he had been deep asleep when his phone started ringing. He was the detective on call for the clearfield police department. On the night of april third nineteen eighty five. I was at the time. Charlie sixteen and i was low man on the totem pole over. Sixteen officers it wasn't a big police department. Clearfield wasn't a big city. Either especially back then. It claimed a population just shy of twenty thousand people many of its residents commuted to jobs in larger cities nearby like ogden or salt lake city force base occupied clearfield eastern border to the west wing. Un-union fields stretching out towards the marshes and mudflats of the great salt lake clearfield. Heart was the freeport center. A former navy supply depot turned business park but when those warehouses closed down each night the city went to sleep. My chief of police when i was in patrol. Which say i would like you to get to citations tonight. Not just me but everybody you would be lucky if you could find cars moving the phone call. The rattled bill from sleep in those dark hours. Came from the lone patrolman. On-duty randy slater randy told bill. They had received a call from another town. South ogden where police had taken report of a rape had occurred in our city would come in and interviewer clearfield sat at the far northern end of davis county while south ogden was at the southern end of weeber county it was questionable at the time because there were two jurisdictions involved. Who was going to take the case. But there was a south patrol officer to took the initial call and he felt like it probably was our case. Bill got out of bed and got dressed at the same time. A young woman named jan schiller received a similar call at her home in the nearby city of leighton like bill. She was on call not for the police department. But for the ywca. Even though you're on call is still shoot because it always happens when you're asleep. Jan had taken a volunteer position as a rape victim advocate. She was twenty five years old and fresh out of college. I-it sane this volunteer opportunity and it was during the recession years. And i just thought gosh i'd like to get you know some experience even just volunteer while i'm working at just eight job for the you know until i get something that i really want. John's first actual call out one of only two she would ever take. She put her hair in a ponytail and started driving bleary eyed toward south ogden police headquarters. Joyce was already there by the time. Bill and jan each arrived. I mean joyce was sitting upright square shouldered. She wasn't a typical young rape victim. That you see on television nice thinking. Wow this woman is so together. I feel like slob. Kinda funny funny reaction. The rape kit exam had taken about an hour and a half so it was after four thirty by the time joyce jan and bill sat down for a formal interview the smell of brewing coffee wafted on the air. Update now working this recording taken from the only surviving cassette tape copy of the interview. Known to exist is the source of many of the clips. You heard in the first half of this episode. It had sat for years undiscovered in a box at the weeber county attorney's office until i started looking for it even joyce's own children had never heard this tape would like you to do. Is i would like you to tell me in your own words. What occurred tonight. Probably starting at the pierre. Although he was then forty years old detective bill hold house had only been a cop for a couple of years and only a detective for about half of that. it was the first section case had handled. That's not to say bill was a novice when it came to interviews. The interview in and of itself wasn't difficult to understand why. I need to tell you a bit about who bill hold houses. Bill grew up in michigan. In the years immediately following the end of world war two. His father had emigrated to the states. From germany settling into the city of wine dot between detroit and lake erie. His father was a devout lutheran. Who pressured bill. One of three children in the family to enter the seminary bill didn't want to do that. He wanted to see the world so in nineteen sixty two at the age of eighteen. He rebelled by enlisting in the us. Air force bill started out as a missile mechanic then became a bomb loader. He bounced around the globe serving at various air force bases while stationed in san antonio texas. He took a second job as a reserve police officer one night while responding to a call about a man. Burglarizing storage units. He stepped out of a patrol car. A man on the roof of the storage unit building opened fire. A bullet hit bill in the lower leg. Bill would face hostile fire again while serving two tours in vietnam and cambodia. I in nineteen sixty six then again in sixty nine and seventy bill moved up. The enlisted ranks of the air force becoming a first sergeant in air operations in the air force. Part of my job as you move up the supervisory levels is interviewing people. And i always did enjoy that. I was always good at it but i always enjoyed it and i really just kind of fell into it. As a senior noncommissioned officer bill often had to mediate disputes between subordinates including some cases of sexual misconduct but ahead had experienced with young airman female airman who had been molested and stuff by nineteen eighty. Bill had landed in utah. At hill air force base. His twenty year mark with the air force was approaching and he felt an itch to make a change even though he was by then in his mid thirties. He wanted to go to college to make tuition money. Bill took a side job. I'll doing security work for a job corps center. The center was home to hundreds of young people who lived in dorms. While receiving vocational training problems were inevitable in that environment and bill often ended up interviewing job corps residents who were suspected of petty crimes in the process that i met all police officers. All the patrolman. And i got a call from the chief of police saying that they like the way that i'd done the interviews and testified in court some these cases because if i was the initial interview ahead to go to court most of them were misdemeanors and i was offered a position when it became available. So in one eighty-two bill retired from the military and took a fulltime job with the clearfield police department he was thirty eight. Bill spent several months. Working dispatch then patrol. He didn't actually attend the police academy until the department had an opening in. Its investigations division. When he at last started his academy class he found himself surrounded by younger cadets. The interesting thing about the police academy in utah is you can be twenty one or thirty eight. You have to still pass the same physical stuff so it becomes difficult than thirty years. All this is to say that. When bill sat down with joyce early on that april morning in nineteen eighty five. He brought with him a lot of life experience. Jan schiller the rookie rape victim. Advocate could see it in the way. He carried himself yeah. He's big and he had the shorter haircut. You know we have that cup presence but when he spoke it was very gentle even with the gruff voice. There was a lot of caring in that voice. One you telling me this sunday. Stop you some questions if you find that Is breaking your train of thought. Then we'll go back and ask questions later. We'll start out by trying to ask in drove will. It's i remember. John had never heard this recording of the interview. Until i played it for her he could go on. Somebody's little girl or something you know. Remember her saying upon listening back. She praised the way bill. The large gruff detective validated joyce he was never mocking and he was always just trying to give her that control. I'm going to ask you questions but if that's not working for you will wait. You know that. I'm giving you the choice of how to do this again. By that point joyce had already recited the events of the prior evening multiple times to her sister to the south ogden officers to the physician at the hospital and as a result her thoughts were less jumbled. Her voice less emotional anything keeper about the sports car was the soft top convertible sportscar sunder so it was hard top knows. It didn't have canvas. Stop it at a neighbor. Slew sang red months with livers back window. Could i need to acknowledge here. Journalistic ethics typically preclude identification of sexual assault survivors without their prior consent. Joyce is not able to provide that consent. Due to circumstances i will discuss in later episodes. I have had to consider with care the level of detail to include in this narrative. My decisions are driven part by knowing joyce made this police report willingly and later provided a substantially similar account in open court making these facts a matter of public record back to the interview. Starting your and above what a bill had joyce. Go over it all in fine detail the attack in her car. Her physical struggle. The man dragging her to his car. I don't think i okay so the sound you heard you leaving. I really spoke to we to possibly. He did have some very loud music on jan. Felt awed by joyce's poise. I was so impressed. With how really quite calm. She was in the retailing of everything. Tick hewlett she was. I thought you know in her day to day life she must have been such a confident fun woman and just that her sense of how do i get through this safely. You know that she was that with it. Well all this was happening to be having those thoughts bill to found joyce's demeanor remarkable. He chalked it up to her also. Having had life experience she'd been a divorced or separated mother. She raised kids. She'd had a traumatic experience but probably not the first one in her life. She had children had problems. Those kinda things. This also helped when bill had to pivot the interview toward some very direct questions. I did feel an empathy for her thought that she was wronged. But there are certain questions you have to ask. Now you say the intercourse Was this in the missionary position in the as anything other than the than he had turn all and he has some very feminine position. Okay joyce wasn't quite as forthcoming in her. Descriptions has had been in her conversation with officer mel hackworth. A couple hours earlier. Bill did not press her. At least not right at that sensitive moment owes a little bit hesitant to ask you some questions in the initial interview became more comfortable later in subsequent interviews and the first one was a little difficult for me. I still remember that. The deeper into the details. They dove the more of the experience. She relived the less control over her emotions. Joyce maintained her body began to shake just as it had when she had arrived back home to stop for just well to stop right. Now have a cup of coffee. We'll talk here and a couple of other points. Bill stopped the recorder giving joyce time to compose herself during one of those moments jan took bill aside and i was saying mike. Gosh she is so put together and he said but did you notice her broken fingernails. I mean she worked at -partment store. She was elegant sophisticated looking woman. He said yeah. She went to have gone out with broken. Fingernails would convince me that something had happened was the evidence i believe what she was saying. Based on the evidence that i i saw he was reading her so well he was catching things that i wasn't catching you know like the broken fingernails and the us. We're going to stop in. You're going to you know have a cup of coffee. Yes you are trembling right now. Jan also noticed how bill used the lightest touches of humor to help. Joyce get through the tough spots. When he had the lighter could you see his body. Did you notice any scars. Marks tattoos missing fingers toes. No did you get at really honestly. Didn't look that hard. I yadda jerry jets. Jan had said only a handful of words herself by the time the interview had reached. Its conclusion wasn't really necessary to do too much coaxing. She had of hoy's there is a point. I want to address here before moving onto the next part of this story. And it's the concept of consent in each of joyce's interactions with police. She expressed concern over how her story would be received worried about not being believed of being humiliated. Jan told me this is very very common for women who report cases of abuse and sexual assault. We're taught to be nice. You know were were taught to not be forceful and when we are forceful. There's all sorts of words for that that aren't complementary a large degree of joyce's trepidation rose. From the fact she had capitulated. She had decided to cooperate after receiving a physical beating in her own car. You've already heard her in her own voice. Say she believed putting up a fight would have meant the end of her life but that she also said could be mistaken for consent. I put the question to jan. Did joyce agreeing to have sex with this man. Under those conditions qualify as consent. No it does not qualify. Consent qualifies as duress not as consent. If you've been violent with a woman in threatening with a woman and then she says she asks. That's not concerned south ogden. Police headquarters sat less than half a mile to the west of joyce's apartment on fortieth street with the interview. Complete bill drove joyce back home. He noticed a few things as soon as they arrived. First off the driver door of joyce's car was still open. He poked his head inside. There was a partial fingernail in her vehicle which he had described to me. There was some keys which are described to me in her vehicle. That was enough to convince me that something had happened. He also spotted the buttons from joyce's dress as well as one of her earrings sitting on the car's front seat which she told me on the initial interview. The evidence matched. it wasn't a matter me going and finding evidence in and asking her about it. She had told me about that before ever found the evidence. And that makes it much more solid than if you find something and ask somebody about it. They went into the apartment. Bill pulled out a polaroid camera and snap photos of joyce's broken fingernails as well as the bruises on her neck arm and jaw. He took photos of her car. as well. showing its position in the carport. The sun was breaking over the mountains to the east lighting. The scene bill decided it was time to go and see the house. Joyce had pointed out in clearfield to knock on the door and ask some questions and so he left. Joyce was exhausted. She hadn't slept in one of the photos. Bill took of her that morning. Her eyelids are drooping as if she might not off at any moment but for the adrenaline and caffeine in her bloodstream. She was at last able to shower. And to call her daughter. Kim salazar she called and told me that she had been raped. And of course. I couldn't get my car fast enough and repeat once again. The story of what had happened like she never told me everything that happened that night. Kim's husband randy remembered hearing the news as well. And i remember. Kim saying what what he called me last night. I don't suppose it was an easy thing for her. To tell me in the first place and the fact that shedded do it on the phone. Kim rushed over to her mother's apartment finding joyce midway through the job of repairing her broken fingernails. She was putting herself back together. What was broken was being fixed at least on the outside. I mean it's too so devastating. You don't you don't know what to say you don't know what to do. You're just helpless. I mean i didn't know what to do for her. Bill had by that time arrived back in clearfield as i pulled off six fifty north exit a deep red mazda with black louvers pulled on going southbound at i fifteen so i just came back behind that car and follow that car until i could get a hold of a trooper to back me up when the trooper got in behind me. I pulled it over. This was very lucky. Timing sometimes lucky is better than good. The driver of the red mazda was a slim younger looking guy with feathery brown hair and a large mustache. He wore a plaid shirt with the top undone. Revealing tuft of chest hair and that wasn't bill looked dug in the face and noticed a cut. Just to the side of his nose it appeared fresh with a single drop of coagulated blood. Still at the bottom things in the car immediately told me he was the right person. Bill could see something sitting on the floorboard of the passenger side. The matching earring to the one. He'd already observed enjoys his car. We would have gotten anyway but it was just funny the way we did get with the iranian way. He might have got rid of the during later in the day. You know if you knew it was there he took dug out of the mazda and read him his miranda rights. He placed dug in the back of his unmarked police car. Bill didn't have a warrant to search the mazda right then so he instead locked it up and left it on the side of the freeway. Bill then drove doug to clearfield police headquarters for an interview. He started out by once again. Reading dug his rights. He asked doug if he understood them and for a moment doug hesitated he wondered if he ought to have an attorney present. Bill said that was up to doug who thought it over before agreeing to talk. He actually admitted being with her but his his story was quite a bit different than hers. Unfortunately this interview was not recorded. So i can't play you the actual audio but i have reviewed bills handwritten notes which he took down that very day. Here is what they say. Bill wrote doug claimed both he and joyce had been sitting in their cars outside the pier. Three the prior evening joy said motioned him over. Doug said joyce had asked if he would like to follow her home and so he had dug it said it was joyce who suggested they go for a drink as he stood next to her car in the carport bill asks. Doug had assaulted joyce in her own car. When i did ask him about the car he answer anything he just said that he followed from the club picked her up took her home had sexually brought back during the interview. Doug called joyce by name saying he remembered her last name joost because a ghost town near where he liked to go. Deer hunting shared the same name. Doug insisted his time with joyce had been one hundred percent consensual. they agreed to have sex. Doug denied having given joyce one of his shirts. Bill asked doug about the cut on his face. Doug said it resulted from an accident at work the day before bill told doug he knew he was lying while they had been speaking another officer had impounded. The mazda bill explained about the matching earrings in the two cars. Bill told doug he was going to book him on suspicion of rape and sodomy took him down jail book in came back row. The reports fewer than twelve hours had elapsed from the time of joyce's first confrontation with the man in her carport to his arrest. Bill credited that quick turnaround to joyce herself. You can put that whole case on her. I was just terrific. You know i was just picking up the pieces whether or not to and making them all go together. The following day doug level went before a judge. The davis county attorney's office after reviewing the evidence had filed much more serious charges the included aggravated kidnapping two counts of rape aggravated sexual assault and forcible sodomy. The judge said doug's bail at just twenty five thousand dollars that should have been the end of it after they pulled over and took him to jail and booked or his mind made up what he was gonna do. Choices son-in-law randy salazar told me it was only the beginning password all started. That's we're we're this begins. Doug level was not going to remain in jail for long but bill hold house would soon make a discovery about the little red mazda. That could put doug right back in a cell. If you or someone you know has endured rape sexual assault or sexual abuse of any kind. Help is available in the united states. You can call one eight hundred six five six. H o p e or visit our i n. dot org to connect with free resources. Through the rape abuse and incest national network. No one needs suffer in silence. You are not alone. If you haven't already please subscribe to or follow cold to make sure you get every episode. You can also interact with me and the cold team on facebook. 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Dorothy Stratten Pt. 1

Crimes of Passion

46:56 min | 1 year ago

Dorothy Stratten Pt. 1

"Due to the graphic nature of this week's crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of sexual situations abuse and violence that that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen. Paul Snyder was upset his wife twenty year old Dorothy Stratton was about to be crowned playboys nineteen eighty playmate of the year but here and the crowd attent. He couldn't get near her. He could barely see her and he got the distinct impression that Dorothy didn't mind that he'd been shut out. He don't another glass of Scotch and then pushed his way through the crowd. Some some people stared others looked away. Hollywood he learned was a fickle place. Once the crown decided you didn't fit then there was nothing you could do to change its mind. Finally Paul Reach Dorothy stable. He slid into an open seat beside her and reached for her hand but she shrank from his touch and pulled her hand away as if he were a stranger as if he were just another other. Leering Fan Paul. Suspicions were confirmed. She didn't love him anymore. His hurt curdled all to rage. He'd show her he'd show them all he might have looked small time but he'd leave his mark on Hollywood one way or another Hi I'm Leney. And this is crimes of passion. Upper caste original the legal definition of a crime of passion is a murder that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore how passionate relationships sometimes times lead us to criminal activity out. Does marriage progress from husband and wife to killer and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships into deadly results. You can find episodes of crimes of passion Russian and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream crimes of passion for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type crimes of passion in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on. facebook spoke and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us to leave a five star review where ever. You're you're listening. It really does help this week. We're exploring the troubled relationship between Dorothy Stratton and Paul Snyder. We'll see why dorothy stayed with him as her career took off in one thousand nine hundred eighty despite multiple red flags next week. We'll see how dorothy burgeoning fame and independence Indi- lead to tragedy and how it's impact reverberates even today in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight eighteen year old. Dorothy Hoop straaten was a high school senior. Working at a dairy queen in Vancouver British Columbia single mothers struggled to provide for Dorothy and her two younger siblings so for the last four years ears. Dorothy worked at the CUE to help out by all accounts. She was hard working intelligent and stunning a fact that she he was completely oblivious to until during one of our shifts she match when he six year old Paul Snyder he walked into the shop wearing a long fur coat wrote lizard skin boots and gold and diamond jewelry. Dorothy was dazzled. She had never seen anyone so sophisticated he asked Dorothy the her name and they chatted briefly then. He drove off in a flashy black sports car. Dorothy never expected to see him again but only a few days later. Paul called the shop. He wanted to take dorothy out. Paul Snyder dropped out of school. At the age of fourteen his teen years were spent hanging around the biker gangs and pimps of Vancouver's Eastside. He knew oh he wanted to be rich. But a real job didn't interest him. Instead he gravitated towards various scams and hustles. Most of them involved women woman he tried pimping and groomed girls to be strippers but neither was that profitable. Eventually he turned to promoting auto and cycle shows us but a side. Hustle was never far from his mind when he met Dorothy. He found it as he told a friend after meeting her. That girl roll could make me a lot of money on their first date. In the winter of one thousand nine hundred seventy eight. Paul showed up at Dorothea northeast house in a long leather coat and more diamond jewelry. He drove her to his bachelor bad where she took in the skylights for rugs and platform bed. He cooked her dinner porter. Sparkling wine played songs on his guitar and told her she was beautiful. Dorothy knew that she was being swept. Opt Offer Feet in her journal. She wrote I was being sweet talked by an expert but I wanted to hear more and who could blame her. Her her previous boyfriend had never paid this much attention to her. Paul Bader clothes makeup and jewelry luxuries. She'd never been able to afford. There was only one problem. Nobody liked him not her brother her sister or her boss her mother. Nellie couldn't and stand him. They all thought Paul was rude entitled and Pushy he put his feet up on the coffee table at Dorothy House and flirted with other women right right in front of her door. These best friend asked her how she could stand it but Dorothy had the same answer for everyone. Nobody knew the real real Paul behind closed doors. He was a softy and he made her feel special. Before I continue you with Paul Psychology. Please note I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but I have done a lot of research for the show psychologist just doctor Andrea. Bonner has pinpointed. Certain behaviors used by those who wished to control their partners early on in a relationship behaviors like attention affection and nourishment all seem positive things. We want a relationship but they can also be powerful tools. Used to manipulate others when other people start to complain or point out troubling facets of the relationship the victim is unable to see them. Everything free thing. Paul did in those first few months of dating. Dorothy showering her with attention. Buying her gifts even cooking for her made her his biggest defender but his most effective weapon was allowing himself to be vulnerable. A Guy who strummed the guitar and told her how he truly felt about her couldn't be that bad. When dorothy claim that Paul was actually a big softie she thought she was seeing the real him but it was all of Assad in the end her friends and families instincts were right after eating? Just a few months. Paul told Dorothy that he wanted her. To pose. Nude Playboy magazine was on a hunt for its twenty fifth anniversary playmate. The prize was twenty. Five Thousand Dollars Poff aunt. Dorothy was exactly the type. Playboy was looking for the sexy gorgeous girl next door. Dorothy didn't want want to pose nude. She was extremely modest and worried about how her mother would react. But Paul wouldn't take no for an answer. The argued even when dorothy broke down in tears. Paul didn't stop. He minimized her feelings. Posing nude wasn't a big deal until finally in May of nineteen seventy eight. She gave in all brought Dorothy to to a photographer named Ken. Honey who already had a track record with playboy can needed dorothy his mother to sign a consent form because Dorothy was only eighteen a year younger than Canada's age of consent. Nellie Dorothy his mother was in Europe but somehow Paul procured a signature and left Dorothy the alone with Ken for the photographs. At first Dorothy was shy but after only a few snaps she relaxed and started to pose. Naturally truly when the session was over he had her fill out a questionnaire in the space where it asked for her to give her ambitions. Dorothy wrote to be a starve. Starve sorts already. Paul's grand talk had meet an impression. Her photos arrived at playboy on August. Eleventh Nineteen Seventy eight or photo editor Maryland. Grabowski took one look and knew that Dorothy had something thing interesting. Innocence Maryland called Ken and asked if he could arrange for Dorothy to fly down to Los Angeles the next day. Dorothy was thrilled but Paul was annoyed. He didn't like seeing Dorothy so excited by someone else's attention and and he didn't like that playboy was only sending one plane ticket after all. He was the reason she was given the opportunity. In the first first place on August thirteenth nineteen seventy eight. Dorothy boarded a plane to it was the first flight of her life. Paul Steed in Vancouver Fuming. Paul wanted Dorothy to be a star but solely holy on his terms when Dorothy took steps towards that ambition and away from him he reacted with resentment at the airport in Los Angeles. Dorothy was met by a waiting stretch limo. It took her to playboy's headquarters on Sunset Boulevard where she met the magazine's photo editor. You're Marilyn Grabowski when Maryland saw the tall stunning blonde step out of the Limo. She assumed Dorothy was a seasoned model. Then she spoke to her. She realized that Dorothy was and her words. A total babe in the woods not used to thinking that she was was really beautiful. Dorothy went right into a session with Mario Caselli playboy star photographer after drinking a couple of glasses asses of wine during the shoot. Dorothy began to relax she. Ethan began to enjoy herself but the true test to our confidence and what happened been afterward when she got to the playboy mansion when the Limo pulled up in front of the entrance dorothy realized she was trembling. She'd Never Seen Gina building the St Louis before she walked around to the back lawn where people had gathered to eat a late lunch. The jaded group took one look at this beautiful vulnerable teenager and was instantly. Charmed this included. Hugh hefner the founder of playboy. He said years later she was the epitome of the girl. Next door the sweetest person I ever met angelic. She lit up a room. All the corny phrases raises were true about Dorothy. It had only been one day and already the gates of playboy swung open wide for Dorothy but she had no idea what she was walking into a world of excess hedonism and abuse when we return northeast entrance into the hedonistic world of playboy complicates an already troubled relationship. Russian ship while true crime is undoubtedly a passion of mine so is playing best fiends. It's a great way to clear my head and relax. I've been playing since April and I've made good progress so far. I usually play when I'm in the kitchen waiting for my t to be ready or well well lounging with my dogs. The characters you collect are super cute. They launch attacks and uncover hidden goodies. You come across all kinds of tricky obstacles. But that's what makes it fun. Some of the levels are very challenging. But it's a casual game. If I get stuck on a level I usually readjust which characters I'm using and that often helps me. He clear it one of the things I like. Best about the game is that you don't need to be connected online to play so it's perfect if you write a train or subway to work engage your brain in with fun puzzles and collect tons of cute characters trust me with over one hundred million downloads. This five star rated mobile puzzle game is a must play download download best fiends free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best fiends. Now back to the story three in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight eighteen year old door. The Hoop Straaten flew to Los Angeles for her first playboy. Oh boy photo shoot. She sent her photos to the magazine at the insistence of her new boyfriend. twenty-six-year-old Paul Snyder. He thought that she had the right. Look for the magazine. His instincts were right when playboy salt. Dorothy test shots. They flew down to Los Angeles immediately but on that first trip dorothy entered a world that she barely understood. Playboy was founded by Hugh Hefner in nineteen fifty three. It was the first magazine of its kind pictures of naked. Women were nestled between articles on how to mix the perfect cocktail and short stories. As by Ian Fleming and Kurt Vonnegut. Playboy wasn't a Nudie magazine. It was elegant. Entertainment for men by the Mid Nineteen Seventy S America was having a love affair with sex and playboy was writing it all the way to the bank sometimes sometimes selling over five million copies a month. The brand expanded into a line of clubs casinos and resorts at the center of it. All List founder Hugh Hefner. He patted around his mansion and Silk Pajamas carrying Pepsi and a pipe an ever-present smile on his face. He considered himself a fighter for sexual freedom. A liberator who was also a naughty libertine. He lived entertained gened and ran the playboy empire from the Playboy Mansion a twenty nine room estate in the hills near Belair built in the nineteen twenties. It had an aviary theory a zoo and acres of manicured lawns to the Kasuali. It looked like a genteel English estate playmates and playmate wannabes were encouraged to spend time at the mansion to mingle with the mostly male guests and enjoy a free meal but there was an unspoken spoken rule that women had to make themselves sexually available to guess or even to hefner himself if they wanted to stay Lu win Fernald a married playmate who became dorothy trusted friend. And Confidante spoke of living at the mansion as a slippery slope women competed. He did with each other to win the favor of Hefner and his inner circle and it was quote a game. Where if you won you lost dorthy worthy was little prepared for this kind of world? She made sure to let people know that she was in a serious relationship to protect herself but even her boyfriend had had warned her that she might have to sleep with Hefner to seal the deal. Dorothy just focused on her work. She shot with Mario for three days. By the time I'm she flew back to Vancouver. Playboy wanted her to come back as soon as possible to shoot for another three weeks. Paul was irritated irritated. He barely been able to contain himself while she was gone. Now the thought of her leaving again and this time for almost a month made made him more resentful but Dorothy was undeterred. She quit her job in Vancouver and flew back to La in late. August of nineteen. Seventy eight Paul responded with panic. He called everyone all the time. Time Dorothy Maryland Grabowski Morioka silly. He wanted to know everything though. His behavior was unpredictable and end obsessive. Dorothy didn't seem to mind as Marilyn Grabowski told twenty twenty. Dorothy was always on the phone to Paul. She thought whatever success she was having and it was embryonic at that. Point was all due to Paul. It's possible Dorothy aligned yourself with Paul Pau for another reason during these three weeks. In August of nineteen seventy eight. She again stayed at the mansion this time. She was even more more aware of the CD atmosphere. There is no evidence that she was ever sexually assaulted but Dorothy wrote in her journal of this time sometimes the Times I cried myself to sleep. A lot of men were entering my life all of a sudden and a lot of them wanted me. No one was ever pushy or or forceful but talk can be very powerful especially to a mixed up little girl too naive eighteen year old. Dorothy a controlling controlling boyfriend like Paul offered some safety the fact that he needed to keep tabs on her wasn't a red flag. It was probably welcome and giving giving him credit for all of her. Success may have been a way of appeasing his jealousy. Dorothy returned to Vancouver in September of Nineteen seventy eight. Her entire life had changed in less than a month. She'd gone from working as a secretary at the telephone company to being one of Playboy's rising stars Paul's predictions for Dorothy were coming true and at a rapid rate he had to secure his position now before her starshine through his iron grip. He wasn't going to get edged out of his do. He told Dorothy that it it was time to get married. Eighteen year old. Dorothy wasn't ready for that. She was excited by the traction in her career but she wasn't ready. Break up with Paul either. She didn't want to be alone. A two thousand thirteen study by researchers Stephanie. SPIELMAN found that the fear fear of being single may cause people to stay in less than ideal relationships. She found that in the early stages of a relationship. Those who fear being single may settle for less responsive and less attractive mates out of a fear of being alone. Studies have found that those who have lower than average self esteem team also have low comparison levels or expectations of relationships and will tolerate bad relationships for longer than others. Dorothy I self esteem less likely affected at an early age by her father's abandonment. Studies have shown that children who are banned by apparent struggle more with self esteem and and feelings of self worth then children. Who aren't in the end? Dorothy told Paul that they could consider consider themselves engaged. Things were moving fast. She didn't have time to resist not to mention that in mid-september in eighteen seventy handy eight. She learned that she would not be the twenty fifth anniversary playmate rather she would be Miss August nineteen seventy-nine playboy was ready to spend the next several months photographing their future star. She would need to move to. La as her newly minted fiance. Paul was going to join her. It was around this time that Dorothy made another big career decision she shortened her name from Dorothy Hoop Stratton to Dorothy Stratton. It sounded more like the name of a star. Dorothy and Paul were both ready to launch themselves yourselves into a life of fame and fortune when they landed in. La and October of nineteen seventy eight. Dorothy brought an anxious Paul to the annual playboy Halloween party. He couldn't wait to be introduced to the playboy sphere. He had reason to be excited. Everyone who had met Dorothy was eager to see the man who's won her heart but when Paul walked into the party he didn't get the reaction he expected expected and his White Dora for Jacket Open Silk Shirt and Gold Star of David Necklace. Paul look like a pimp. The people didn't know whether it was a costumer not this was dorothy fiance. The person most put off was hugh hefner eight thought. The sleazeball went against his whole elegant. Gentlemen brand he made small talk with Paul and then wandered away as fast as he could Paul for his part since that he didn't fit in his brother. Jeff later told biography that the mansion made Paul feel inadequate on one hand. He was thrilled to be allowed inside the gates but he never truly felt like he belonged a nine hundred ninety nine study by researchers at the University of Michigan again found that a lo- sense of belonging is a key predictor of depression male. Depression intern was bound to be associated with a higher propensity towards domestic violence and a study by the University of Bristol. Pulse feelings of being shut out from the world. Dorothy had entered and conquered heard exacerbated his natural insecurity to cope with his feelings of inadequacy. He did whatever he could to foster his own success. Paul promoted wet t shirt contests wet underwear contests and even John Travolta look alike contests then he came up with an idea for a show. Put on by troupe of male strippers. Pau brought the idea to his friend. So men Steve Banerjee Energy who owned Chippendales at that point just a struggling nightclub in west. La Bonner G and his partners like the idea of a male troop Paul even designed the cost him a spin off of what the playboy bunnies war but for men Abo- tie collar and cuffs over a bear bear muscled torso. They put on a few shows which were a big hit but the club owners eventually found a way to cut paul out of the deal. Will he made no money on Chippendales. Even when it became successful franchise soon it became clear. That Paul's main source of income income was going to be his fiancee. He printed up business cards. That said he was a manager but Dorothy was his only client he. He kept tabs on her the way a manager would he watched her alcohol. Intake forbade her to smoke or drink. Coffee and send her to Richard Simmons. Aerobics classes a sticky her weight down when she went to acting classes. He did to just to keep an eye on her but to some his obsession with her raise some red flags their roommate. Molly Bachelor notice that Paul openly bullied. Dorothy he read her male flirted with other women when she wasn't around treated her like she worked for him. The dorothy never complained never never seemed to argue. As Paul's career prospects floundered in early nineteen seventy-nine daugherty's only seemed to rise. Paul didn't want want to leave anything to chance. He knew he had dorothy loyalty now but he could feel her starting to outgrow him to make things more permanent. He told Dorothy that they had a lifetime bargain. Whatever profits? She made They shared them fifty fifty. He was sure she was going to be a star and he wanted his part of the pie today. This kind of behavior is considered financial abuse but in the nineteen seventies financial abuse between romantic partners was unheard of single women's financial rights such as they were shaky e it wasn't until nineteen seventy four that credit card companies were forced to allow single women to open a credit card. Even domestic abuse wasn't wasn't considered a crime as late as nineteen seventy-nine courts considered what went on in the home between a man and wife private and not a matter for the Criminal Terminal Justice System. Dorothy felt intense pressure on one hand. She had Paul's intense expectations to meet on the other. She had playboys whether it was Paul Snyder or Hugh Hefner. Both men had are on a leash in the winter. And Spring of Nineteen seventy-nine Dorothy uncovered a natural talent for acting in her classes soon. Her teacher compared her to Marilyn Marilyn Monroe. This didn't go unnoticed by Paul. Aspirin veered into summer and the launch of August issue approached. Paul sized his moment. Why not get married now? Before she went on tour she'd already agreed to his lifetime bargain. Why not make it legal? We'll dorothy was thrown once again. Things were happening so fast. She didn't want to marry Paul but she still believes leave. She owed him all of her success. The folks at playboy saw it differently Maryland. Grabowsky told Dorothy that she didn't. Oh Paul Call A. thing whatever she became would be because of her. Not Pau. Heffner told her that. Paul had a pimp like quality. He even ran in a background check on him though. It came blink but Dorothy was unable to listen to reason just as she had in the very beginning. She made excuses. He uses. She'd say the Paul Cares about me. I can't imagine being with anyone else when most people or didn't know. Was that Paul threaten to leave her if she didn't marry him. Being alone was unthinkable for Dorothy her father had walk down on her at the age of three she wouldn't be able to survive another man walking out on her too so on June. First I nineteen seventy nine. Dorothy and Paul Got Married at the Silver Bell Chapel in Las Vegas. Paul was now legally entitled to half of door. These earnings when we return. We'll talk about. Dorothy is romance with a famous director. And how it brought Paul to his breaking point now back to the story by the fall of Nineteen seventy-nine nineteen year old. Dorothy Stratton was on the rise. Not even a year after her first nude photo session and she become a playboy playmate her August issue had flown off the stands. Her press tour of the states and of Canada had been a smash success now. Dorothy turned her ambitions to acting just as they had with her modeling career. Doors Open swiftly for her she he stood. Apart from the hordes of beautiful blonde women hoping for stardom casting agent saw something different in Dorothy vulnerability. Her first role was a walk on in a movie called America. Thon in the summer of Nineteen seventy-nine a short while leader she signed signed with film agent and got another role in ski town. USA then she took on the lead in a low budget. Canadian film called Autumn born. Paul Snyder wasn't the only man in Dorothy. His life excited by her movie career. Hugh Hefner had Hollywood dreams of his own. He never been able to make one of his playmates a legitimate actress if he could he'd wield real power in the entertainment ecosystem. Dorothy was as good a contender for this as he'd ever seen Hafner made two key decisions concerning Dorothy in the fall of Nineteen seventy-nine. He gave Dorothy of running part in a TV special he produced with. ABC called the Playboy Roller Disco and Pajama Party. When air too high readings in November playboy made an announcement Dorothy would be their playmate of the year for nineteen eighty Paul all was giddy vanity plates that Red Star Eighty and put them on the Mercedes he bought with Dorothy money? He found a house on clicks in road in West West. La Worry hung photos of Dorothy all over the walls but inside Dorothy was starting starting to slip into despair. She felt suffocated in her marriage and exhausted by her commitments to playboy towards the end of nineteen seventy nine and. She started telling people that she wanted to leave. Paul but divorce would mean dealing Paul a financial blow that he wouldn't be able to handle. It was already hard enough on his echo that he was completely dependent on her if she took that away she didn't know what he might do. Lou Infernal and her husband Chip Clark became friends with a couple of during the fall of nineteen seventy nine win win. Notice that Paul was bossy controlling and had a wandering eye to boot but it was her husband chip. Who really saw Paul's true nature on the days? The two men spent hanging out he watch. Paul kicked doors start fights on the street and throw food on the floor at restaurants. If he didn't like the service Luan said later that it was obvious that Paul was a ticking time bomb. Dorothy told her that she wanted to leave. Paul around Christmas of nineteen eighteen. Seventy nine but that she was afraid of hurting him. and Oh Dorothy didn't actually say this Lou and sense that Dorothy might be afraid of the consequences. Just when Dorothy had started to reach her breaking point she met someone who would offer her away out. Director you're Peter Bogdanovich. The forty year old filmmaker had won acclaim with his movies. The last picture show and paper moon but his personal life was a mess on the set of the last picture show. The director left his wife and two children for cybill shepherd. The twenty twenty one year old ingenue public opinion turned on him by Nineteen Seventy-nine Bogdanovich and shepherd were over and he was struggling to make a comeback. Bogdanovich was a frequent visitor at the mansion and spotted Dorothy there. They struck up a conversation. He learned that she was married. But not happily. He was casting a movie and asked her to audition. It wasn't long before she was cast in the film called old they all laughed already. Smitten Bogdanovich rewrote the role and made it larger for Dorothy. She was the ideal the launch. A new beautiful innocent and talented Bogdonovich on of it fell in love with Dorothy knowing that she was married but dorothy assured him that it was in name only she planned to leave. Paul exactly the win. She didn't say but she let Bogdonovich know that his feelings were mutual. They didn't do much more than kiss that. Winter of nineteen seventy MD.. Nine but Bogdanovich. Dorothy were primed to have an affair yet. Her feelings for Bogdonovich meet her less tolerant of her unhappy marriage edge. Her relationship with Paul took an abrupt turn for the worse in January of nineteen eighty during her photo sessions for playmate of the year door. The often returned from phone calls with Paul Crying Maryland. Grabowsky said later that the same fragility. She'd noticed noticed the first day she met. Dorothy had grown exponentially. She told biography. I was very very worried about her that same month. Dorothy made another movie. Galaxia Paul alienated the cast and crew with his outbursts and demands. The makeup people became used to seeing dorothy arrive with a face swollen from crying. Paul Dorothy success as any parasite would head but it only drew attention to. What he knew was her greeter economic power to correct this? He did whatever he could to bully. Dorothy a two thousand eighteen study in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. Found that sexist heterosexual men may underestimate how much power they actually having relationships which can lead to more aggression against their female partners. I well we have no evidence that he was physically harming dorothy during this time. Paul's emotional abuse financial abuse and intimidation all qualified as domestic violence. What's heartbreaking is that well everyone was aware nobody intervened Dorothy co-star jd? Hinton befriended Dorothy while making Galaxy Gina and early nineteen eighty he noticed that when Paul wasn't around Dorothy earthy was social and happy dancing to music but in his presence she retreated inward withdrawn one night in in with a couple to dinner. He watched shocked as Paul began to hit on a couple of girls. He couldn't believe that a guy who may dorothy call him to check in several several times. A day was now flirting with other women in front of her Paul's attitude towards his wife revealed itself in another another way on one occasion hidden found himself alone with Paul and his apartment. He'd gone there door. These invitation to watch her on television but when he arrived she wasn't there yet. Paul picked up one of Dorothy playboy layouts and showed it to hidden. He asked him what he thought hidden had. No idea what to say. Staring at Dorothy naked body was strange enough but being asked to evaluated by my her husband was over the top finally Paul answered for him. I think her breasts look real good. Don't you Hinton recoiled. He saw Paul Snyder for what he was a snake. Who cared nothing about Dorothy? As a person only only as a meal ticket the only person who seemed to be able to pull dorothy out of her trap situation was Peter Bogdanovich. She landed in New York in March of nineteen eighty to shoot her role in they L. laughed. Dorothy was co starring with Ben Kozara Audrey Hepburn and John Ritter. Everyone in the playboy sphere was thrilled but Bogdanovich kept his romantic interest. Endorse the away from Hugh Hefner. He sends that hefner wouldn't be pleased and his is Dorothy earthy belonged to him and playboy. Paul Somehow agreed to stay behind in Los Angeles during the film shoot. He drove Dorothy easy to the airport in a Rolls Royce. He borrowed from their housemate and put her on the plane but home by himself he grew more and more anxious. Dorothy had hired a money manager before she left now. Her earnings went into a corporation. He still had access to her money but he had to ask. Dorothy fifty four it. It panicked him. He could feel her slipping out of his grasp. He started making exercise benches and selling them through the classifieds side's desperate for some income of his own it was during this time that he saw a bondage bench in a sex shop. It retailed for around three hundred dollars over nine hundred dollars today. Paul went home and recreated the object but he couldn't bring himself to sell it instead. It's stayed in his bedroom. He seemed unwilling to part with it. Mostly Paul began to obsess over Dorothy and how to wring more money from the uncertain situation. Eventually he hit on an idea find another pretty young girl and groom her to be the next Dorothy Stratton. He found a seventeen year old girl. Who lived in Riverside named Patty lawmen? She was no Dorothy but he hoped he could introduce her to the playboy crowd. Meanwhile Dorthy were-they and Bogdanovich continued their romance in New York when Dorothy returned to La for a press conference for playmate of the year. Lewin notice that dorothy seemed worn anxious and tired when Lewinsky asked her about it. She said I don't know what to do about Paul. I wake up in the morning and I'm so so unhappy and need a cigarette to calm down. It's all a have. Dorothy was too nervous to speak to Paul in person about a separation reparation but while on a promotional trip to Canada. She finally breached the idea to him in a letter she wrote. It's time to let the bird fly. Why if you love me? You'll set me free. Paul responded by Flying Canada and fighting with her with all her efforts to separate failing miserably. Dorothy went back to New York to Bogdonovich and to the movie by the end of June she had had a lawyer sent Paula letter. She wanted a separation. Paul responded by clearing out their joint bank account. He founded divorce lawyer. Mike Kelly Kelly who introduced Paul to a private investigator named Mark Goldstein. Paul told Mark he had a simple job. Follow Dorothy. Dorothy in Bogdonovich returned to Los Angeles on August first one thousand nine hundred eighty as plain touchdown at LAX Dorthy. Were-they took his hand and admitted that she was scared. bogdonovich still oblivious to pause instability assured her that all would be fine. She had his lawyer now until her divorce became final she would live with him and his Bella home protected by gates. She wouldn't have to see Paul Snyder again but she wanted to do the right thing by Paul. A part of her still believe she owed him. They met for lunch she confessed her. Love love for Peter Bogdanovich. He tried to tell her that he was just another Hollywood scoundrel who would use her up and discard her. But dorothy didn't listen. She took a few items of clothing from the apartment and left but not before promising to call him in just a few days then she went to the airport and picked up her twelve year. Old Sister Louise who decided to come from Vancouver for a visit. Paul was devastated when she finally called him a day late from a a photo shoot. He was furious. Louise's could hear him screaming through the phone. He sounded like a man on the verge of collapse. A man on WHO's only companion left was the cord feeling of desperation. Dorothy begged him to stop. She cried don't do. This is to me Paul. Don't talk to me like this. Dorothy agree to meet with him in person and a few days. She didn't want things to end like this. Yes she wanted to be fair to treat him with dignity on the morning of August fourteenth. Dorothy woke up at Bogdanovich pitches house. She told her younger sister to stay home. She since that Pau would probably make a scene and she didn't want her sister to see any of it. She asked Louise not to tell anyone else where she was going then. She met with her money manager and asked how much she had saved. The manager told her that she didn't need to see Paul anymore that she should let the lawyers handle it. She smiled and said that she wanted to remain his friend. Then she scribbled down on a piece of paper a figure it was half of all of her assets. What she planned to give Paul? She also withdrew eleven hundred dollars in cash down payment of sorts for him. It was only fair as she parked in front of the Clarkson House she felt a sense of dread his voice on the phone the other day had sounded crazy disturbed. Maybe the money manager was right. Maybe she didn't oh him a face to face meeting but she was an adult she. I thought she could handle her husband. She'd gotten herself into this and now she would get herself out. Lifetime bargain win or no. She stepped out of the car walked to the front door and rang the doorbell from a distance investigator. Mark Goldstein sat in his car. He watched the door open. He watched Paul Greet Dorothy. And then he watched Dorsey go inside when he was satisfied that all was well he drove away. He was the last person percents to see either them alive. Thanks again for tuning into crimes of passion. We'll be back Wednesday with part two of the Dorothy Stratton Story. We'll look at the crime. It's devastating impact on Dorothy his friends and family and the mystery that continues to this day of what really happened in Dorothy. In Paul's final moments you can find more episodes of crimes of passion and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify if I already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easier for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcasts originals like crimes of passion for free free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream crimes of passion on spotify. Just open the APP and type crimes of passion in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time. When True Love Meets True Crime Line crimes of passion was created by amax Cutler and is a podcast studios original executive producers include Maxson Ron Cutler sound design by Trent Williamson with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Zero Carly Madden Travis? 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Episode 511 - Jared Goldman

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Episode 511 - Jared Goldman

"Talk it's Wednesday the twenty third of October two thousand nineteen I'm Martin yelling she's holy rush and this is episode five hundred eleven of Mayor Living at you know you'll dad's Kinda final days you know you've been there with him you without holding his hand no it's not been the best week sadly I lost my dad yesterday so but as every happening every week American talk for the last ten years we've spoken about the things that been happening in in our lives and you know when he took his final breath and you know you said it was quite uncomfortable which I thought was really courageous yeah I just I don't Eh toolkits around the World Tony's trials and you could win the chance to spend Christmas at French Chateau thanks what's on line using the code and t twenty Holy Rush Welcome to marathon talk it's not been a great week as it this week show we speed him in the last six days and yeah so hasn't been okay well firstly look genuinely like really sorry to hear that news it we chatted about it before we started recording and you really honest Amelia Open and look something like the death of somebody really close to isn't something people talk about House must be a plug to Dorothy house they are amazing amazing place and so I was very very lucky together I know how you're GonNa feel when you lose a parent or someone really tasty and And I thought actually probably being there really been really honest about those things that happen and you know and the biggest thing that's been happening in your life is that you've been he very much to this week's show sponsor runaway runaway British brand which makes seamless moisture working technical performance underwear to prevent chafing often and I want you know we chatted a little bit about this just like is this the right thing to start the show with you know it's like okay but this is what's pasta way but I was I don't know if he waited for me but he a managed to be that the very end so he was he got into hospice this week which was great into Dorothy Belarus runner jared Goldman the marathon at the Tokyo twenty twenty Olympic Games moves location the shoe debate rumbles on the big dog backyard ultra on sort of new spin a bit of a long drawn out process in it was inevitable but yes a yesterday and he Kazini Dead Class and before you go but seeing him might take his last few breasts and you know not looking how I remember not before we started recording if you put yourself in your dad's shoes having somebody with you when you him every day in a place which I felt was in good place to be when you're really sick so so for me that was hard perfect runners you can find that Morumbi online at runaway dot Co dot UK runaway are also offering marathon to our listeners a twenty percent of all I but I do know that he was in the right place in Kansas just a horrible cancer actually had as well he's Sloan Conquers Shlaim Flanagan retires Irish McColgan takes a mum's record at the Great Safran you raised your run where you're married that people die alone and people die will die in the UK in in hospices alone yeah every but the last definitely the last few months have been particularly hard because of the way he was living as well my dad was single day in hospice staff do such incredible jobs of being there but essentially there's no connection nothing really like you know it's that's your dad his daughter and I think when it's my time to die experience to share with somebody you sharing effectively your you know your sharing death with someone and writing this rollercoaster adrenaline feel it now all the hours I've missed of sleep of suddenly just jumped on me overnight and I just feel Ossoli exhaust who is GonNa be how I wanted to be but actually hus- really difficult I dow being there at the end I can I is quite heart so that for me although I know you've single you know I'm sure it was good for him I don't know I don't really know is he was so poorly that those lasts of ours would just yeah horrible really hard work and oh you're in the final days of your life we must be quite a reassuring thing because you it's quite an intimate I am I think speaking at turn but I don't know any hospice staff you know I'm sure they create like personal bonds if there's any were you know if my door to is there that would make me feel more ts I hate that's the case me and my dad quite up and down relationship over the years but yeah that's the case and I guess I just have to hope that Kalisa cotton's forbid just take a few days to try and sleep but that's not like I think yeah I don't really know what the best thing is I'm not sure if I feel I did want to be there now I'm sure it's really warm and it's been like twenty four hours tell us some things you mentioned to me that you went back to where you had some really fun memories of Your Dad so look let's just wrap up this you know I'm not a kind of grief Cantzler I'm not an expert I know very little about it but I was you know it makes me sad to think state and I'm sure that other people listeners will be saying yep is exactly how I felt when this happened so he's probably no big surprise but so now I just feel like it's like I'm definitely GonNa make I'm going to really change the way I'm Gonna I'm GonNa try and raise as much money as I can fourth house specifically for that Dorothy House as well percent funding from the government as all the rest of it is through charity shops or people raising money or anything else other gifts they get so to keep the the only thing that I feel now is like this year has been really long year for me and lots of things have happened this year which happened stressful but I've been Tom in the countryside and I will always remember my dad's so we would get to the end of the drive in is probably like maybe a mile drive to that farm so like it's good it's great to be honest and open and so thank you become an Alderman and doing it even though it's a difficult time just like well look we we did also talk to so that people know about you presenting show and whether you're comfortable to do that and you really wanted to do it kind of intro to the show with give us a couple of fond memories and say my memories I put something opponent scrimmage she thinks however and he fought it for two years it's really time he didn't have any treatment because he was too poorly when he was actually diagnosed treatments for him to actually last two years is incredible really ada sort of hospital whistle clean and tidy and sterile was his wider whereas for me it was really hard for me calf him because I was carrying faces running in this place any has ten beds it costs them I think is at ten million a year and they and if they don't get that money than they won't spread stated so for me that's the hardest thing when I go in Washington toss this had such a sigh of relief and it was my God he's somewhere safe and I know the I'm not gonna I know that he's going to be safe but more than just spending time in the woods with his dogs and just yet being a bit of a bit of a free spirit and that's how I remember him not how I feel like he's GonNa hold me now you know for like years because he wilson as much a really great place just seeing him give something back because what they do is incredible and like you say there's so many people that die unknown at home or in a home they didn't have anyone but these places mm being about him and so as I said I was lucky enough I was up on a farm in the mandates in the middle of nowhere that was yesterday aw so special and the staff and say incredibly kind so I want to thank you George the House yes I don't want to yeah excape though to think that the yeah I don't know I mean I know that this dolphin the hospice all truly amazing and I have said the I definitely lights and I would get in the car and drive the car and this was from the age of forty seven and I would have like cushion on the and we bring the seat strive to the places I was basically born and blow up a hadn't been back for a long time so for me back to that place it's like lovely no running helped yet daphne I it's funny actually I said to my job and I said can you just give me a session to do this and also talk about it with your friends your families doesn't need cool okay have you been running I guess not my dad was a game he and he lived he loved he would love nothing more than just live in a city cop and in fact he did in the woods caravans is life so for him you know how you have people say oh I'm raising money for the charity my next marathon go you go that's good you think about it but actually it made me really think about it this time about being they gave me a session I actually have no idea what if I did it or not I did it but I didn't know if I did the amount my reps or anything I just was thinking the hallway through the of the world is that book it was reminds me and he would do this whistle a specific whistle which he would day and the pheasants would all come down and come to him and he would feed them it and I would drive the call came at that every night after school and and then the other thing is I wish member Dad's going into the woods because he felt the pheasants in and you know if you've lost a parent recently somebody that you love you know and you need to talk about it then don't forget seek seek out that help it was just horrific weather I covered in mud I slipped everywhere but it was never done before and yeah just sold it charity not have done before but not for charter that she really meant something you can see how it really means something now in view now dorothy house done what they've done and I see they get thirteen the animals but obviously it's a strange thing of raring pheasants and they're gonNA be shot and they're gonNA beaten but it was he cared about what he did and he cared about the land and he loved nothing and we'd get to the the sign reset peniel Pharma we lived and data from school and he would get out the call and I got the passenger door and then we'd swaps code this is a brilliant it was called the race with no witty name was cooled and it was in the salt area and I just I saw him in an awesome few months they say great way to you know to remember that it's important that we we do think back like that Cohn and I loved that I loved that they would they would do that and they knew his cool and he loved his he loved what he did his ascetic anti gun he loved needed to disclaim my mind and I felt like running away nearly helps me say it did and I am yes I did it and an a one it of course thank you guys thank you that because now my wooden chopping board which in the day now I have my wooden mug it's so good nice but I've been feeling tired to a little bit tired as well so running's actually taking a little bit of a backseat as we can and doc well say the week before again because I felt like I needed to be arrest by I am I found a race last Saturday it was horrific by the and it was thirty three miles long so that's why did you just turned up and did it yeah I just turned up did Ashley and it was yeah it was really it you could win Christmas in Chateau I'm like deadly serious about this there is a parade my other half brother and my dad and his wife and we had a weekend in Komo I went for a little run up to hill forward actress another with Bonnie full ESPN reporter and Yeah both very interesting another link this week to clean sport in many ways the show wouldn't be possible to do so thank you very much a link on this week show if you would like to become a patron next check this the mocked Henry running a competition at the moment apprised role to to win the chance to spend Christmas at it's tough yes running does help of course it does because it does even though entire I still need to get out definitely I mean what's this racing loan conditions it's one person wow that single person wins the Chateau for Christmas I am entering that definitely what it's east raw so we hosted a running retreat at a chateau in the Lahar earlier on in the year and the shadow we know like Fairytale Christmas come true so we will link if you want to enter Christmas inish chateau draw puts a link to group evolution the Chateau in the Lewa incredible I know well the price is to use the entire estate between the twenty third and twenty home spoke about last week as a really good listen I subscribe to it Yes oh it's a good listen to a couple or listen to one where car ad but I think the last month is whacked me out somewhat I have been listening to the clean sport collective podcast with current Adam gag show it's awesome dusk and dawn and he had a Hessian sack which he would have around his like site sort of calm and he comes on site dining champion tactical move for little get together with my family I guess my sister and husband and then and I wanNA lovely hand carved you talking about race prizes like a while back so the price com 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Norris yeah how about you call more loosely even that was a couple of weeks ago nine vapor fly and I mean it is everywhere absolutely everywhere where reading about the shoes smile through the effort in your Kit Shogo style the Marathan personal worst time dodgy lake still tend to attend because it was all about comrades some website happening for us and he's coached by my wife Liz well-done mark and then we keep five ten Lisbon marathon on Sunday smashed my admittedly poor time four twenty invites last year my first after fifteen years off beat my base targets tools can't use the HASHTAG HASHTAG radio run I guide Duffy I love Stacey Marston made a conscious effort the amazing rather than the Abingdon Marathon at Mark Cognis on twitter finishing under three hours I love first time with two fifty aw she fool at last week we spoke a little bit about the NYC Alpha Fly which is the latest prototype of the Pantry Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island a bit of fun on Liberty Island and there is internally is like a monkey underneath him loons piece on this week showed surely is the chief sports reporter in Communist columnist Communist author and communist so yeah so you keep chugging war in his one fifty nine in Vienna recently and then also cost Sky War in twenty twenty nine job done Hashtag raise Dhiraj says Yeah Colorado's twenty twenty I hope he'll be that next one is Steve Pittman Eight Trendy Boston on the whole city ten ten to me thanks Matthew Company during training right to talk about some news of note yeah this week there's some more Indian is very divided at the moment you know some people I think it's Brian Metzler over in the US I'm alliterate Paula Radcliffe Women's world marathon record in Chicago a day later and showning we will put linked to sure is the chief sports reporter and columnist at the Guardian and he wrote fantastic piece all of this missoula is incredible yet during Hohnstein buses hands on I think we've had as such liberty with among candidates not be from Chicago Marathon Nineteen three twenty seven twenty shading full he three seconds of my previous best three years ago brilliant event great cause massive grass is such a positive eight thirty I trusted the process and it delivered he says Hashtag right you run a special shout tomorrow because he does help her with stone break doing oh saying hang on a minute you know everything is about progress and technical innovation wise running any different Sean at the Guardian is writing it's the shoe stupid anyone who says otherwise is deluded but he has not those Nike nine per floor get out of going for a run and the feeling that I get when I connect with the run what that looks like and that's not really impacted by she the shoot I'm wearing so sometimes I house raising an elite level but for me now running is about my personal experience of what it means to be a runner and enjoyment sent in an athlete You know I think somebody somebody who should remain nameless text me and said on motivated by enhancement in another way so if I was racing a a triathlon for example not really I mean no because it doesn't it's unlikely to change if my bike time because I have a certain bike then maybe it was really interesting to me or is trying to qualify or trying to do something lopping chunks of their personal bests he says I have news for athletes and agents approached the either not be surprised if the arms race in shoot technology soon goes nuclear what I think he means by that is couple of years with various development of cheese net asset but various versions that have been been developed in the shoe and of course with nine seeing the progress in terms of the distribution of kind of efficiency and economy that they personal experience of running because I'm not bothered about the speed of that run does that make sense yes it's not gonna be banned the I aa F- undergoing a review of the shoe technology at the moment and making a decision what what the next steps should be whether or not to restrict the shoe tech in in some way where the nazi-allied the purity of improvement through effort but then would you are you saying that because you're not a competitive athlete such layman the F. urging it to ban the shoes he says it's not going to happen an to which shawn then added in fact bannon that's really tricky because we've seen so many performances in the last few weeks the last few months or probably would I choose a different wheels for different courts would've spend you know crazy amount of money if I had it and money was no object you know to shave seconds whereas you can see why I know that when I did even lined up at some like half marathons a Kaufman's everyone seems to be wearing the Nike Shoe Oh elite runners you could be looking at could be fostering the marathon and that's law yeah I'm not sure what's going to happen you so I wouldn't know but it feels like cheating Lagos do you want to you you genuinely interested see how they fail one is the playing field is not level a governing body does have a responsibility to ensure a playing field is fair shown ingo the key lime pie color consumer version at two hundred thirty nine nine thousand nine pay said Legions of club Oh I didn't even in which one I think competitively you might think actually it's a little bit unfair if somebody's gotta shoot I haven't got but then interests on terms I I would rather get the benefit from Moi's engine you know at the moment I guess is that what you're saying is well oval and mode and then this is spikes issue as well as saying how son was wearing the new spikes parts top spikes and they potentially have a thicker mid-sole with the play of some sort yeah I guess if you felt your at a disadvantage if you didn't have them but that's got to be part of the argument isn't it so yeah exactly would given them you know so it's like well or if you've got a different sponsor and you can't wear them exactly very Bernard my Kenyan friend who've Iran need project with how do you feel because he can't afford to buy them lie but people he's racing against aw so I think like you're saying it could be nuclear is just like where does it stop I guess that's the thing but if I'm really honest if I was competing at that level of of change in sporting engagement but there needs to be some kind of regulation of that and yeah it might be level but that's what people are complaining that the the I think it's something like like a minute and a half or something they're saying it was gonNA make you one way quicker than even Lisa in terms of time and you're GONNA shave off five minutes or something from your marathon pb and it costs you it's been a while since if ever where we've credibly seen shooed produces such significant performance gains member racing bikes and thinking what this kid I can't afford to spend ten thousand Pana rating at half that these these but the lightness gave you this advantage and now it's something else that gives you the advantage not the lightness so ensuring that footwear remains an accessory to a physiological competition they argue so you could limit ah look I'm not sure what the outcome is it certainly not Neville at the moment because some people can wear them as some people can't and the benefits yes I can remember you know it used to be lightness while we're we're GONNA buy the lightest possible it is really expensive really light we throw away right eight so in other words jewel the only palace remains the person running in the shoes they would be legally compliant it's that running shoe should be regarded as legal and me get ready for this providing it gives no motor assistance to an ah able to not work fulltime so they have more time to train or unrest or someone we've been some cards with every is to introduce rules to regulate the thickness of the mid sole of the shoe if set at thirty one millimetres I'm quoting this directly I'm Shawn Article V set at thirty millimeters current competition footwear would remain eligible and advances would take place within this geometry sure I've really genuinely don't know the solution one reasonable suggestion that Sean ingle highlighted in the British journal Sports Medicine by Geoffrey Burns Nicholas Tam like that laid surely someone always had one always maybe not everyone had so dopson they and that was that but there's always someone that's got some inner like someone motorist assistance again I think Sean ingle that rotates there's going to be a pro potential proposal to the IWF cancel in the next two to three not clear about the logical innovation in human performance has always been there it's a PA is I guess that would be limiting this structure I'm not really sure I did read something around Jones made a comment about Cho- gays run Steve Jones the former British marathon record holder who ran to oh seven held the math and record for so long to be good theatre or circus style drama he said it's a bit evil knievel jump in the Grand Canyon or somebody under forty pounds to buy the shoes and you can afford it then you're GonNa go and buy them on Ebay was Africa I mean so the power you know it's a bit like hidden motors in bikes isn't it. Could you imagine hidden your energy return mechanism heating shoes that are in shoes at them so it's like this is the boundaries near over would you accept it so if it made me faster than I would would night because it's like a drought no way it yeah I guess if if the speed at which you motivates the you then then you need after that extra edge well let's be even like club nightclub Rana's Oliver's we all talk about bees and we most of us and if you have a shoe that's going to make you one and potentially eighteen hundred hot dogs in ten minutes I could I reckon hundred hot dogs in ten minutes I can eat well as that yeah anyway that will rumble on I'm sure we'll try and keep you up to date with that it's not about shoes but it is about keep Joe Gay St so maybe you've got that analogy like slightly wrong steve what that select ten bucks a minute yeah one hostile Aubenas I live dot com he said I haven't find it to be honest the air show gay one fifty nine in the US challenge I find it Columba's in north which is incredibly far away what do you think about in this country because of its cooler conditions medical the heat in the Japanese capsule including Better Asli it feels like cheating when you when when you run in a pair yes I've I've actually I've not not wanNA pass hiring for this will need to have we think maybe how they passed the marathon race walking and next summer taking Olympics a now set to be moved to Sapporo which is eight hundred be significant but if it's going to potentially be Futi degrees saying is actually going to be thirty four whatever is that really that I think bombed especially as it's like potentially only six degrees cooler which I know I know in terms of European six degrees cooler that will the weather she where yeah I would want to wear the shoes I want to see what the like and the problem is I think they make you run faster so would you shade mortar sprays have been trials test events this summer because didn't know do a little bit of a run for us to see what it was going to be like looser Loner International Association Has Federation President Lord Case At giving athletes the best platform fin- performances within the Gulf within the environment they're in is central's all major events and we will work with organizers to create the best marathon race will goes is for next year's Olympic athletes athletes think of that given the marathon at the Tokyo Games yes so yeah so I actually solicited and if it was actually Mari meaning the tweeted saying that actually people perfect answers I mean it's going to be either way he ably hoax not much of a different Hoddinott I would argue their Pepsi is because that's a big six degrees advertising potentially is but eight hundred kilometers away from the now some of the people will know a little bit about this it's actually a race which is actually run by Lazarus Lake you also point one six miles long and you have sixty hours to do it you have sixty hours but you run that leap within the hour so depending on how you run it we love this concept now you know little bit more about it I know Louis I was on the wing it's basically the big dog back yard ultra take why haven't they got people running alongside with umbrellas or something anyway let's move on to something much more interesting going like this approach is actually beating about on wikipedia earlier but the basically the big big dog backyard ultra it's basically a race way you run loops which if you're in Sapporo or if you're in taking sail it's supposed to be cooler and you can see why it's got better shade on the course come on Olympics and you're thinking in the Han girl do the marathon at the Olympics this is phenomenal it's going to be in Tokyo it's going to be amazing training sixty yeah you have sixty minutes to do that and then you have as long as you need to recover and you have a maximum sixty hours so it's basically the last person standing to sixty hours also so but but your maximum time to complete four miles or sixty minutes yet exactly so you can get timed out will you come in just before eating any best at the end so she was the last person after sixty hours of running we'll sixty hours and she ran two hundred and fifty miles you have that time to recover you I'm saying yes so if you ran full K. is it four point once one six ks at right my or mild in line because Lazarus lakes dog is called big little picked up that's incredible concept isn't it so you do people finish that one yeah people finish and so last year as say Corny Eh guttural who won it she became the first female winner outright in the racist history so and she will say in Austria as well but she was incredible I was watching it on instagram in scrum feed and she still looked really good even Clinton also six sixty hours Nestle Elliott captured I may be wearing shades box so yes it's all about if you've got to each lap within an hour sapporo can be as much as six degrees cooler than to here in the summer and the plaza discussed this is the end of the month is Papa Special Session on heats countermeasures depending us that's it so I brought it was on who watches Youtube thing International Olympic Committee President Thomas Bach said Athlete Welfare was halt of changes you keep going until yes but he cannot break sixty minutes so like as long as you so let's say it was yeah smiles four miles if I ran four miles in roughly Saudia roughly seven minute mayerling I could have half an arrest yeah was you're not clearly going to do that because you racing mackey and you know you get to you van you did one lap and it was outside your sixty you'll see announced her retirement she said on instagram with happy tears I today I think this was yesterday uh-huh liquid with that lay on it's quite towns I suppose it's quite hot dogs we talk about the so it's been going for eight years this race I didn't ask you that and did you know why it's the big dog backyard ultra why don't thirty minutes so you get caught you'll out Maggie. Dan Completes the next one and she does her sixty hours yeah she does it within an hour want to come down to like a sprint finish with you off to sixty no no no so it doesn't it's like not to do one thing I wasn't certain whether it's the one against other worldly highs and abysmal lows I've loved and learned from it all over the last fifteen years I found out I was capable of so if multiple people completed one full Mile Luke in sixteen year have you probably one of the winning New York right so I mean yeah wrench when she ran and Won New York and like she swore she coming under that under the kind of finish line yes she days yeah now that was it was more than I ever dreamed possible wow tastic yeah what a fantastic way to talk marathon which is a sadistic didn't know Alec and this is last legs is the brainchild of Kim but actually it is a well-known type of race quarterback Cattle Volta won the won it last year she was second woman or something she ran common housefly but he was incredible she's incredible runner but this the overall winner either last person Stan they think kit yeah I think you go out on the next league I think there's another loop and then if you whoever wins that loop Hussy that would be Monday I am retiring from professional running from two thousand and four to two thousand nineteen I've given everything she's the winner but what happens if two people like you would just keep going after sixty hours I think that actually happened last year maybe wrong I caught member with it's within me to this incredible spor wow it's been an incredible ride I've broken bones torn tendons lost too many toenails to kind of experience out last weekend eilly smashed her mum's Scottish recold she led the women's race from start to finish and she ran fifty one joining she is now announcing that she's actually going to be a Nike Bauman Track coach so she thought she feels that she is still staying in thirty eight the Scottish record of her set by Liz McColgan was fifty two minutes on the nose which was set in nineteen else would maybe even two hundred sixty miles and it was in Tennessee in his in his backyard in this still trying to get my head around her she was and actually was really interesting piece in upcoming NBA one magazine about them saying that they they basically fully fueled on pop tarts go such an interesting story let's do yeah definitely and I saw slightly found gall hassles Chalene Flanagan in other news has ninety seven eight ish or Irish English alias go second on the time list behind Paula Radcliffe Fifty Nice Nike vaguely flies Alva- flies the ones with the platforms to make Ziggy Stardust swoon. Says then I'm sure she's GonNa take alums records really isn't she she's in pretty good nick and some of the bears well let's my level to running it's like being on the show interview yeah I must get yours in the shed bathroom and I wanted to pop in peace the water closet was spacious yet spartan housing only the door to the somewhat rustic facility a few steps from our self-catering cottage had become jammed stocked. It didn't matter how hard I pulled it wouldn't open I was using the lavatory because my friends who were taking part in Sunday's relay we're preparing for Parker in the news this week by for Cogan has broken her mom's record at the great sath run a ten mile race in Portsmouth eight days the cubicle was primarily for the use of fishermen who needed to get that tackle out but could have had a secondary role as a study the day before the auction marathon I found myself feverishly tugging away in an outside toilet wobbly porcelain two rolls of toilet tissue and suspiciously crusty red and white towel which looked like you hadn't been washed since its purchase in the nineteen and says say true isn't it like she said Iran is now that learning doesn't mean the same as it did now I like the people around me more important on her emotion at the end I think that's one of instagram pitches as well our nose on it will let's run on the very front edge she'll say going on she's saying I like the fact that she says she feels like she feels really privileged to be dying daily keep togay posted on her feet saying congratulations on a beautiful career pleasure to what you can Volta because it's Howard Nicole Amelia Brundige as well didn't philomene it that's how I knew it was I it was happening because I follow Amelia and I saw the same hierarchy was gang fred one eleven imports with at the great south run secure back in two thousand eight so yeah well we'll sam I wonder what dinners like an evening with him with all that passion best of luck in the rest of your adventures that's Li- screen at that moment you yeah he didn't come in on my place yesterday I'll way like really great eastern on instruments lovely you're too lovely I mean I guess highlight for her that exactly what you've been taken off the birthday Christmas lists drawn a take them my record Llama after that like ooh mom I be record your Clara Ya go to be a goal to be if I hadn't taken my phone with me to play words with friends I might still be there now on the weekend well lots went wrong I trump ed for it's what's the difference between a spider and the Yorkshire Marathon corporate relay two legs anyway that's from hundreds of cars snaked runways before being expertly parked by jolly high vis marshals it was like a scene from field of dreams the maids and a bereavement service for children called owls which stands for overcoming worry loss and sadness one of the team was a runner who said his wife was a big fan of Emmerdale and asked if he could have a photo of us together for her yes of course I replied wheezing chest and heart attack didn't appease my concerns as persistent coughing wheezing shortlist breath tiredness feeling bloated wait Hawkeye reminded me but twelve months ago to the day I also had a chest infection unwraps no vermin this year cough cough account stop just shake shoulders and smile to raise but that wasn't the worst of my woes us after ten weeks of near perfect training I developed a cold in the the chest was worrying me a bit a friend had told me about local Rolla who'd raced with a bad chest and had a heart attack googling I in explicable fell over in the street grazing my elbow when my foot Mr curb close to the TESCO extra at Escobar on my phone back to the accommodation and Andy Dope on the wrong side of the river Ooh saw ry and if you build it they will run plentiful buses took us to the race village at the University of York where I had a photo with the taper which traveled from the terminates sidestepped this sinus eased around the epic and buried itself in gain increased our rates and impaired thinking were all there under the title warning signs of heart failure I slept Kaneko taping for pain relief trials for early detection of Breast Cancer Confidence Building for primary school children through friend of the show Hannah cons mini strength and endurance before my head hit the pillow on Saturday night I consulted the Bible strive to look at my buildup to the ultra marathon Iran at roughly marathan pace but my heart rate was higher than are being joined training where despite not losing weight at built a decent level of last year a notice that I hadn't run at all the week before the race couldn't remember why but episode four or five eight in the oven talk well apart from a ten minute Coffman and traveled with my friends to a park and ride Elvington airfield off the ring road a huge line of headlines untimely an appeal team Steve a trustee of the charity who was running in the ten mile event told me the funder currently supporting four projects research into couldn't get out life imitating art I met some interesting characters including recent Marvan talk interviewee the fabulous at half needed time in the House of Commons went. You wish you hadn't on Saturday morning at the delightfully scenic part run Castle Howard good spot for wintering off inch you're actually the reason I got into running he said Oh really high preened yes he replied everytime your show comes on TV Bronco Guy on Friday at work a fellow actor said `and you meant to laugh their Tony yes I replied but if I'd go out for a run yeah good cook he's been out for a run this week and Mr Great episode where a toilet door jammed and so sundown and Steve Goggin who was dressed in a white rose in a costume which took impracticality running to new levels tight around the knees and ludicrously high above the neck obscuring his mouth nose and almost is is I'm amazed his attempts to break the Guinness World record the fastest marathon as a pedaled flower didn't end with him face planting elsewhere a longboat for Vikings broke the record for fastest marathon in a forty person cost you if race commentator Ellie Fiorentina how to away official starter the delightful unfunny rob deering from the running commentary podcast would go in the book for marathon running comedian with the best set of teeth the ancient cities magnificent minster greeted us with pealing bells and friendly crowds lined the streets in support happy that the weather heart rate was one hundred and eighty beats quite a feat when my maximum is around one seventy I reached onto my singlet to adjust my chest leasing and rasping it was tight and saw all the coughing and I had no idea how hard my heart was working to compensate I was hoping that up but he wasn't there I forgot to put it down two thousand and Twelve Guinness will record fastest marathon as a schoolboy error if you'd like to know how he got on do listen to the next episode and he can sponsor all of them if you like aiming for a slow and steady dot my plus team gadget also takes heart rate from the wrist allegedly but the figure is so inaccurate I'm as well have had random quotes from countdowns Rachel reilly waited for the four hour paces to go through and then joined the field pressing the button on my new. Gps I crossed the Matt I glanced down ten kilometers and thirty seconds into my movement there was a rapid knock at the door someone shouted sorry an urgent was cool and crisp in contrast to last year where storm Callum had unleashed its fury as Iran felt okay but could hear my chest she'd never read the changeover at a portal during a race manual which clearly states avert the head avoid eye contact give and an uneasy feeling that I got away with it last year so shortly after seeing a windblown conquer London someone's head I pulled out on the descent where the tarmac were strewn with more earthworms an hedgehogs family feast I explained to another owner that was probably the jiggling action of running might loosen the Flam as a race went on not long after high five in the vicar that's not a euphemism I stopped at the port allows the race couldn't just slow down a bit she suggested it was a valid point but still at around eighteen miles to go and I was and she put me down as an extra on the shuttle bus I sat on the bus and waited for it to leave with one of my friends from the Doherty's dream tea ooh had passed you at this point last year I finished in three fifty six he's still running off our right I didn't tell him that I must vague nod and under no circumstances communicate eight miles in going up the steepest hill on the course I chatted to a runner who's keeping a very steady pace without running step go on Tony loud later in the day someone who'd been using the APP to stalk me sent me hold my prophecy it come true hush tag respect the distance the lungs leading to a heart problem would affect me for the rest of my life I've been spooked by combination of what I'd read the story about the Rohner in his family and some of his family history through running to a destination in in Belarus and I wanted to relay team want to many teams in that sentence who was looking at the Yorkshire Marathon up to see how MOMA's getting on it says that you're into Belarus yeah exactly so I mean so this whole project was to find out more about myself replied the fact they had not trusted the red sign on the handle mainly think they must've been going for a baby to help them reach their goal I attempted message on twitter to ask if I was alright as I had been stood at twenty six point one mile mark for two hours in a virtual going to work a lot harder as the race went on or slow down to a snail's pace on a very cold day both of which could have aggravated my condition forty miles she said well I'm not I'm arms around twenty minutes later we looked again I only had ten miles to go house thing when we kicked off the show that you've been in living in Berlin for the last twenty years and the project of course was cool bully it's not like running with a leg injury like I did in the Mozart Marathon early this year are few weeks off after and it's better again now from what I've read fluid that little bit more about why he did it and and how he got on so welcome to the show jared thank you very much for having me excited to be here now we would just well I was knew there was more to the world I knew I was missing out on something and I always was kind of chomping at the bit to to make a move but joining us on this week's math until interview is jared Goldman jared fantastic reports in August and on exiting the facility was greeted by the incoming athletes who look me in the eye and yelled and Joyo run obviously going through puberty and that that's kind of where things started to shift and I just felt like I needed a little bit of distance and wanted to be independent and more about my family and funny enough my kind of landed in Berlin because growing up most of the time I was usually always like a metaphor midwest of the US exactly I never quite felt like I belonged there I kind of felt like I was like accidentally placed there you know like not feeling like you fitted with troublesome thing for you is that part of the reason why you wanted to do this extortion about a project from Berlin to Belarus and it was a story about trying to trace the root the name of this town I found on a piece of paper that my mother had like hidden in her files basically it was a family tree like a school project that I did obviously where they wanted to know where your parents and their parents came from so this was the interest you know it was like kind of coming around full circle the interest came back to the surface and that was an interesting and Yeah this is why wanted to do it because I'm in the end I spent all of these years like running away metaphorically and running away from my family I was kind of angry as a child wanted to get away from my parents and our so basically when I point for you focus point for tracing your your family steps back absolutely and there was a funny story to that because on opportunity to leave home in travel I ended up in Berlin which was is as far away from home as I could get and aw I was starting to get nervous when I was organizing this project because I'm I wasn't exactly sure where this name came from but this was like pre Internet days more I go back to visit my parents and the more I learned about my my grandparents and great grandparents I became more interested in my family history written down on a piece of paper this is the actually the only proof that I have that my grandparents are actually from that village now the race for my third marathon diaw the relay change over point just before the eleven mile mark told him Marshall I jacked in any case she needs eighty kind of tracking back where I think you'll grandparent's specifically you know your your grandfather passed him late in the race and I finished in three thirty four oh that would've been running off how right if I just remember to get my chest up out of the bag and body Tom I think in a lot of ways a lot of times my mother I grew up in a Jewish home and my mother kind of enforced because it's not going to be around so much longer so so I got more and more interested in Whenever Tom went back to visit I would ask more questions and this is where the Alameda have like a bar Mitzvah and this is kind of this house at thirteen so this is kind of a delicate time period for a teenager cities along the way that where I could organize accommodation because before I left the idea was to that I would be on my own and and I wanted to pre book the accommodation so that I had somewhere to stay each night because I don't know the language and what GonNa look like you know but was it like that well I mean I had had this advice into they're a long way through Poland and it was just would have been it would have got very expensive very quickly so my mother wrote this down at a time we will exist so this name didn't just come out of thin air it must have come from my grandparents so that kind of pronunciation is probably also not perfect so we're both in the same boat was that was so that kind of became this you know this against this sort of you know retracing some of those family steps but that family history but why that route man I'm in my original idea was run from point eight point two points in this was based on a city big enough where I could PRI Organiz the accommodation into how many and my mom wrote it down so I'm really basing all of this information on this small detail and why did you decide Sir I've had the kind of route you ended up covering just over three hundred kilometers I think between August tenth knee south and Oguz nineteenth the I think this is going to happen and this happen and then I'll do this and you have all these intentions about what the adventures have done a few couple of these things and all of a sudden like when you're planning these things you that's something like I'm sure this is gonNA thread through our conversation but is that something that troubled you growing up and that kind of throwing it out there and I sent a lot of messages and I got one bite from a man called the bearded runner yea like why did you decide to run that particular route you know I understand okay I'm looking at from now might pronounce this wrong but Kazan Herod doc is that right Carjon doc pretty good yeah found out is that the English related non existent in like rural Belarus so yeah it was basically going from gave me a few pointers and he kind of just you know in a nutshell kind of said you know you know expect the unexpected and just let the story unfold she sent me a message back saying yeah like I don't speak English this all through Google translate and it was my strategy in my thinking going into it obviously two weeks before I planned on TV tastic picture of him actually now he that is a bit isn't it like that's appropriate is pretty impressive and there's only so much organizing new and then the rest is just gonNa you're gonNA have to leave it up to destiny and slow I was completely That was Mike Great grandparents what I did was basically looked at the map and looked obviously at the starting point the ending point and I had to find the runners I was trying to build a community of people that maybe just wanted to join me for any distance and so you know I was kind of just people and this was something we were doing together even though I think he felt like it was my run I didn't feel like that I felt like it was now but I had to remember right now I'm just going to go with the flow and actually we didn't really communicate that much even leading up which segment would you like to join me and he said for all of them and yeah so I was like all right and we oh he was obviously fit but of course I've been working on this project for like at that time maybe five and a half months and narrative in my head it wasn't the distance that scared me but the expense would have been our high so yeah I narrowed down I'm from Minsk to Katanga Doc The hometown came to me from a good friend of mine luke diversity on the show fantastic yeah so I've been in contact with him for many years and and then two weeks before to get a you know a message saying I'm coming with you it it freaked me out a little bit yeah in the beginning that was the goal you preloaded cre- organized sorry the the accommodation but then like did that work out because one hundred k. with me on like a two week notice He has run in Belarus from top to bottom over six hundred K. thing I've been sending messages on Instagram two different runners and Belarus around mints just saying I'm coming you WanNa join me be great to meet some was lucky enough I I met quite a few other people on social media through instagram and a handful of people showed up for the starting line yet what unfolds and what did unfold so tell us about the header run went yeah well it ooh yeah yeah maybe this was like a hoax you know and but you know half hour before we were about to set off he showed up and to the to the run is just a little bit difficult when you're not speaking the same language there was some points rows like a little harsh with them like a bit off because I'm the bearded runner he was in he only arrived into minced the night before we were leaving and I you know had sent him a message I I was a little bit skeptical because this is a man I never met I had no information about and he just offered to run three was that I was going to be alone every picture in every film that I was playing in my mind in visualization I was on my own are run as soon as you do something with someone else it's a team effort so I was trying to include him with all the details and what was happening them a big hug and just said you know you and me we got some some together and let's do it and interested and I said okay great you know so I'm GonNa be running over seven days in Mumbai being the city in that city some of the roads are a bit hard to see and I had no idea what to expect from from the roads and Belarus so he kind of just gave me a warning finger in a taxi door I burnt my phone putting sausages in the Oven Oh gee I got confused following direction other

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pisode #35  Le voyage initiatique de la maternit et parentalit avec Bianca Thuot

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pisode #35 Le voyage initiatique de la maternit et parentalit avec Bianca Thuot

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S2E3 Nightmare on Top of a Nightmare

Cold

1:09:06 hr | 2 months ago

S2E3 Nightmare on Top of a Nightmare

"Don't want to wait for new episodes of cold. All thirteen episodes of cold season to justice for joyce are available right now on amazon music. You can listen to the entire season for free by going to amazon dot com slash cold podcast or by downloading the amazon music app and following cold. This podcast includes discussion of rape and sexual assault abuse murder and other criminal behavior listener discretion is advised clearfield police detective bill hold house had a search warrant for doug levels mazda. Rx seven the car sat in an impound lot where it had been for four days ever since bill had pulled dug out of it and arrested for the rape of joyce joost. Bill suspect that he might find a gun in the car or possibly bloodstains. He came up empty on both fronts. He did however locate six capsules containing an unidentified white powder. That wasn't all in the process of doing the car. We noticed the vin number. A car's vin number is a unique identifier. Like a serial number in. Police will tell you. There's more than one van on a car so the other also crawled underneath and found the chassis. Then it didn't match. The car had two different vin numbers. Bill ran both through. Nci the fbi national crime database. The chassis vin came back as stolen doug levels little red mazda was hot This is cold season two episode three nightmare on top of a nightmare from ksl podcasts. I'm dave collie we'll be right back. Where will twenty twenty one take you with. A degree from university of maryland global campus. It could take you far accredited state university you. Mdc has been online for more than twenty years helping working adults and servicemembers learn the skills they need for the careers they want and with no application fee through august thirty first. There's no better time to start you. Mdc offers career. Relevant programs no cost digital materials for most courses and ninety plus degrees specializations and certificates with virtual advising lifetime. Career services and scholarships for those who qualify you. Mdc is by your side gain. The practical knowledge needed for success with the flexibility to study. Wherever you are on your own schedule apply by august thirty first and have your application fee. Waived learn more about university of maryland. Global campus and the programs they offer at u. m. c. dot edu slash p. o. d. c. a. s. t. That's dot edu slash podcast. Bill hold house had some questions for doug level about his mazda. We had impounded his car. Of course i should say that like why did it have two different vin numbers. He confronted dug a few hours after making that discovery. According to police reports doug claimed a few months earlier he'd gone to a business in ogden called lincoln auto looking to buy an rx seven lincoln auto had connected him with a guy named marvin fluky girl who ran a shop called body. Beauty in the city of logan fluky had a blue are seven on his lot. The body was damaged beyond repair but the frame and engine were still good. Doug told bill he had initially planned to convert the wreck into a sand. Rail or dune buggy. He obtained a loan for the car through america first credit union. You've already heard part of this story from susan. The lone officer was to purchase in eighty two miles to our at seven and he wanted the check. Made out this marvin fluke kinder- i have a copy of this check which includes both doug and marvin's name's doug told bill he paid marvin to the wreck to a storage unit where he planned to do the conversion sometime later. Doug said he'd been shooting pool at a hole in the wall bar and pizza joint called the circle in when he met a mechanic. This guy doug said had offered to restore the wrecked mazda for the low low price of three grand. Doug gave this guy the keys to his storage unit and two weeks later went to claim his prize. The car which had been blue was now red. Make a long story short on that. The coastal as for the swapped vin number. Well doug didn't know anything about that. We found out later that he was partially involved in a stolen car ring. I will go deeper into this in just a bit first. Let's talk about how doug had managed to get out of jail following his arrest on suspicion of rape. Doug had told his family as well as his wife rhonda. It was a misunderstanding. Doug would later say his father told him something. Along the lines of no son of mine could commit rape. Doug didn't have the money to post bail himself. He convinced his dad to do it for him. If doug were to run his dad would be stuck paying the full twenty five thousand dollars but doug had no intention of running. Doug returned to the ogden main branch of america first credit union. After getting out of jail he needed to talk to his friend. Susan because he no longer had the car on which he was supposed to be making payments explained to him the normal situation when a car impounded. They notify the lien holder. And then we'll pick up. The car site explained all that to this raised the question. Why had police impounded the car. Doug told susan he'd been hustled by a woman. He had gone to the woman's apartment and spent the night with her. She was begging him not to leave and that he finally left went home to ease apartment cleaned up and was going to work. And please pick them up on the highway. Doug told susan the woman with whom he had slept was now making a phony accusation of rape. And he did tell me all about she going to prosecute me right and he asked me what what he should do and i told him he needed to get a good attorney. Doug had a different idea. He explained he had separated from his wife rhonda. He acts like he needed someone to talk to and asked me if he you know we could go have a cup of coffee or go to lunch. Susan felt no desire to interact with doug in any kind of social setting. She told him no. Doug had other friends with whom to speak one of them. Named william whiz well who was better known by his straightening. Billy jack was living in. Grand junction colorado. That's where he was when in late. April of nineteen eighty five. He received a phone call. Doug told billy jack he had a job for him and billy. Jack said he was gained. Doug made the five hour drive to grand junction that same day. Doug had i met william while in the utah state prison five years earlier. Billy jack wasn't a big man only standing about five foot three but he found doug ford pickup truck quite cramped as he slid onto the bench seat. He had to share space not only with doug but also rhonda and her little daughter lucia. Bill hold house told me doug and rhonda had been estranged at the time of the rape. He was at that time separated from his wife. He was living in the house. They're done in clearfield. She was living up in the apartment south but they had reconciled since rhonda had rented a place at the lake park apartments less than a mile and a half as the crow flies from joyce joost's apartment in south ogden. Doug abandoned his house in clearfield and moved in with rhonda there. That is where he was taking billy jack. They didn't talk much on this long drive. Doug only talked about the job. After alicia had dozed off saying he would pay five thousand dollars for billy jack to kill joyce joost bill hold house kept in touch with joy in the days and weeks following the rape i had two or three telephone conversations with her and once i went to her apartment spoke either and One time she came into the office she provided hair and blood samples for the crime lab during that office. Visit on may ninth. Nineteen eighty-five joyce's ex husband. Mel roberts told me she had discussed the rape with him as well at had tremendous emotional effect on mel had encouraged joyce to move forward with criminal charges. She did while also trying to shield her daughter and son from the details. She didn't let it define her. Why i can't imagine as a woman not letting that you'll live inside. Bill meantime kept busy chasing down leads. He learned doug's mazda had disappeared from dealership called carlson cadillac in salt lake city in may of eighty four. That case was still open and assigned to a salt lake city police. Detective named ron green leaf. It was my case to follow up on because it was on automobile. Like we call dealer role. Don't told ron he was investigating a rape. The suspect was douglas level and that he was in this red vehicle which was stolen. Ron headed up to clearfield to take a look at the mazda. Their seventeen digits event number and every one of them means something like wear and win. The car was built. What type of engine it came with and even what color it had been painted at the factory. Ron brought a large book. He called the svn bible. It contained the codes. Auto manufacturers used to generate vin numbers as well as the locations of secret. Vins we confirm that definitely. That was the car no doubt about. the detectives. Next turned their attention to lincoln. Auto lincoln is where he got the so. It's fan. ron told me he and many other utah detectives who investigated car-thefts back in the eighties. Harbored suspicions. About lincoln auto. Because a would go out of state and you could always see them on the freeway with car carriers taken damaged vehicles back and generally they were always high end vehicles. Those wrecked cars would then sit on the lincoln lot. Why would a junkyard and ogden. Utah the accumulating high end vehicles. Ron leaned on the folks at lincoln auto and learned doug level had been involved in the transfer of another salvaged vehicle. There's also a pickup truck. That was involved. It was off another lot. A white nine thousand nine hundred eighty five toyota. Sr five pickup truck stolen from dan's used cars in salt lake city in october of eighty four. This was another of ron. Green leaves open cases like the mazda. The toyota had gone through. Marvin fluker shop body beauty. Before receiving a new salvage. Title from lincoln auto. The detectives tracked down the toyota and discovered. It too. Had a mismatched vin. Somebody we didn't know was him. We persona was in that switched the dash vin number of vin number on dash. I have to be careful here. As marvin geico was never arrested or charged with any crime related to these vehicles nor the owners of lincoln auto but investigators did not believe doug had acted alone. The way they did it was they would go drive a car from a used car lot to test it while they had it copies of the keys made they would come back later and steal the car and that's how they got. The cars. stolen cars are tough to register since they can be traced by their vin numbers a moment ago. Ron posed a rhetorical question about why a junkyard would want to stockpile fancy but smashed up cars. One reason could be if they were running. What's known as a salvage switch or vince wop scam. In that case a thief would go to the junkyard. Seeking something very specific. I would tell you all what is the vehicle identification number the vin plates. And i won't the title. The thief could then graft the vin plates from the salvage car onto the stolen one presenting the stolen car. As if it's the wreck after a rebuild that way the stolen car gets a new title under the swap vin number which allows it to be legally sold and registered in other words. It's fraud. The shadow of ben lomond peak stretched out across the horse pastures of the ogden valley. The north fork of the ogden river babbled through the pastoral town of liberty on its way down toward pine view reservoir to the north the last light of day lifted from the slopes of the powder mountain ski resort and the mountains around it doug level had grown up hunting those hills so on this evening may fifth nineteen eighty five. He sat in familiar surroundings as the skies slid through the lavender hughes of twilight. Doug and his friend billy. Jack sat in a parked volkswagen. They were hunting but not for deer. Instead they watched as the lights came on in the windows of the farm houses. One house caught doug i it remained dark. The house belonged to cody and karen. Montgomery a couple with deep family roots in the ogden valley who had just built our home. And we'd been there maybe two years that afternoon. Cody and karen had taken their kids. Including jessica cody junior and chad to visit a relative. Were going to go down to cody's grandma's just down the road and get a haircut. Jessica was then six going on seven and wasn't all that interested in tagging along with her little brother's she just wanted to stay home and read reader book. That's karen by the way she convinced her daughter. It was better to come than stay home alone. And the montgomery's headed up the dirt road. It's just across the field. You can see it from the field. Just walking distance very close but far enough for doug he in village. Jack crept from the volkswagen toward the open garage door. We had left the garage door open. Because there's nobody happier and hit paydirt. Almost immediately cody senior had left a gun against the wall of the mud room. Doug snatched it. It's a four level split and the garage was opened the door that he went into came in from the garage and that was kind of a mud room and then next to the mud room was the washroom the laundry room and then there is a basement right there. Doug and billy. Jack spotted more guns in the basement. Cody senior was storing. His father-in-law ted hillstead collection of rifles and shotguns. There there was no door to the basement so you could just see right in the basement and they were just at the back to heart fine now. It wasn't the montgomerie family returned home around ten pm. As cody senior steered into the gravel driveway. His headlights swept across a shell. Built a piece of hunting gear that holds shotgun shells. Doug or maybe. Billy jacket dropped it on the way out of the house. You guys knew right when we got there. This off avenue was out toady senior. Put the car in park and told his children to stay. Put 'cause we had to stay in the car. I and then dad went through the whole house and crawl up in the attic and everything like check the whole every corner of the house out before he'd let us in. Karen followed her husband through the house she could see. Someone had ransacked the master bedroom. I went in my bedroom. When i could tell that my five gallon. Jarve change with gone and our drawers had been gone through far-flung and sparsely populated liberty was not one of the most active aries for crime in weaver county response. Times were slow. Cody and karen did a more detailed sweep. While they waited for sheriff's deputy to arrive. We start looking around and went downstairs and notice that the guns were gone and some other things were missing from downstairs. The deputy made a list of the missing guns there were seven in total four shotguns and three rifles after they told us. You probably won't see the guns again. Just we'll keep you formed. If there's anything that happens comes of it. Cody and karen. Montgomery wouldn't hear anything more about these missing guns for years. Doug and billy. Jack came away from that theft with more guns than they needed the following weekend over mother's day doug rhonda and billy jack made a road trip out to utah's west desert. They went out past kallio a small farming community along the old pony express trail to an old homesteaders cabin. Doug knew about from hunting trips to the deep creek mountains along the utah nevada border. They dug a hole just out of the cabin and buried several of the guns. They had left one at home. A winchester twelve hundred. They were driving back home. Where about half way back. When near the city of nathan. I dug pulled to the side of the highway to allow billy jack to empty his bladder. Utah highway patrol trooper. Took notice stopped and arrested doug on suspicion of driving under the influence. Billy jack ended up in the drunk tank as well leaving rhonda to bail them both out of jail word of this. Dui arrest did not get back to bill hold house nearby. Sits about one hundred miles to the south of clearfield and eighty-five even police agencies next door to one another in utah. Struggled to communicate at that time We couldn't talk to ogden. We could talk to any of those other places except on one frequency it was called state statewide. And you only ever used that for emergencies. Doug and billy. Jack returned to rhonda's apartment after she bailed them out and reunited with the stolen winchester. Billy jack took a hacksaw and chopped it to make the weapon easier to conceal and use at close range. Getting caught with that illegally modified short barrel shotgun would likely land billy jack in federal prison. He certainly could not just carry the winchester down the street to joyce's apartment. He needed to conceal it so he fished a long rectangular box which had originally held fluorescent light tubes out of a garbage. Can doug provided billy jack. With an outline of the plot. He would go visit his dad in the evening giving himself an alibi. Billy jack meantime would walk up washington boulevard with the winchester. They scouted out. Joyce's four plex. Doug showed billy jack where she parked at night. They even stalked her to work one day following her forty miles south into the salt lake valley. Doug bought a box of shotgun shells while down there. He gave billy jack a handful to take with him on the agreed upon night. Dusk was coming on. When billy jack set out with his florescent light box. He walked to joyce's apartment and took position behind some bushes across the street. He could see joyce wasn't home. Her oldsmobile was absent from the carport so he settled in and waited drinking beer after beer. The winchester close at hand. The hands of the clock spun round. Billy jack at last asked himself if it was worth it. He decided he couldn't do it. He grabbed box. Heavy with its payload of blue steel stood and started walking back the way he'd come. He'd gone about two blocks to the west. When in line of sight of south ogden police headquarters he ducked into a patch of trees. He found some soft ground beneath a large pine tree and dug into with his gloved hands. The winchester went into the hole along with the shotgun shells and the gloves. Doug was not happy when he came home from his dad's house and discovered the hit had not happened. Billy jack said it wasn't his fault. Joyce had never arrived home. Doug told billy jack he needed to try again. They scouted joyce's apartment once more. And doug gave billy jack fifty dollars a down payment on the five grand. That was to come billy. Jack told doug he would take care of it then. He used the money to get drunk and over memorial day weekend. He packed his things. Thumbed ride and hitchhiked his way out of town doug's arrest for dui on the way back from burying the guns put him in a bind. If word of it got back to his bosses at the ideal cement company. He would lose his job. Hardly a day had passed since billy. Jack's disappearing act at the end of may. Before doug came up with a plan he went to work and while they're claimed to have tweaked his back. The injury if there even was one was not serious. but doug filed for workers compensation. He went in for a medical exam and exaggerated the severity of his pain. The doctor prescribed muscle relaxers which he took doug then went to another doctor under the guise of seeking a second opinion and then another. He collected scripts for perkins. Dan percocet and valium. He took those two in fact so great was his phantom pain that he received more muscle relaxers and even halcion to help him sleep at night. Doug consumed those pills. At sometimes. Two to three times the prescribed dosage. Not because he was in pain but because he had become addicted at the start of june doug's mind turned to another man he believed capable of killing. Joyce tom peters doug had met tom at the utah state prison in seventy nine. Tom had had a reputation. There as a bruiser. Ah so called debt collector. He had done time in maximum security prisons in both california and colorado. Tom was also acquainted with doug's accomplices. From the robbery. At the you save market cheryl chestnut and ray dodge bersani route some own. I'm not celebrate. Can time her. Tom had lived with doug and rhonda four time after getting out of prison. Thomas actually had a wife then but wasn't welcome to live with her because he also had a series of girlfriends. Tom would later tell police he. And doug spent those weeks in eighty-three carrying out a string of petty burglaries. Somebody's porridge not pros. Grouts and by the spring of eighty five. Tom had moved in with becky. One of those girlfriends on the west side of the salt lake valley. Doug tom becky's place and told him he needed help. Taking care of a woman he was willing to pay to make it happen. Tom's ears perked up at the mention of money comes back. Don't be just don't monies. I handle hundreds and hundreds of dollars a schemes scams. Tom had a nasty heroin habit. Doug and rhonda drove down to visit tom. At becky's apartment could kind of person. I seen before as wrong. very sweet. Tom hadn't known doug to use drugs before but found him now. Angry and erotic chris. Seattle dries His house doug was due in court in just days on june twelfth for a preliminary hearing. He won't joys gone before she could testify. He had a fresh workers. Compensation check for eight hundred dollars. It was tom if he wanted it as down. Payment couch is track. I'm trying to make promises. Tom told doug he would do it. Tom didn't intend to carry out the hit though. He just saw it as an opportunity to secure his next fix. I don't be street anyway. Tom talked it over with his girlfriend. Becky after doug and rondo left they hatched a plan. Tom would take the money. Use half of it to buy heroin. And then take the other half to las vegas or wendover. He would gamble it double it back to the original amount. Then return the eight hundred dollars to doug and say sorry can't do it. Tom drove up to ogden. A few days later he met up with doug near the utah state employees credit union branch on forty second street and harrison boulevard. Where ron did her banking next. They rolled down fortieth street to scope out. Joyce's apartment duggan rhonda had already gone and cased joyce's apartment themselves on one of those trips. Doug had discovered the back window on the east side of joyce's unit did not latch tight. He could slide it open from the outside. Kara losada's longer often just know tom understood. Doug wanted him to make it appear as though she had skipped town. Doug said to take joyce up in the mountains. They agreed on a date. Doug knew his family would be gathered at his dad's cabin on this particular night. He arranged to be there with rhonda to provide an alibi. Once at the cabin. Doug kept flipping on a portable radio. So he could listen to the hourly news. He expected to hear something about a murder in south ogden. That news report never came. 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Joyce and bill were the only two witnesses called to testify at the pre limb by the prosecutor brian namba. It was pretty serious case or an attorney with his experiences. I had it was probably the most serious case that i'd had up to that point. Brian was just a few years out of law school. He only been at the davis county attorney's office for about a year. Doug also had an attorney one who was much more seasoned jon hutchison. John was very colorful guy hutch as people called him had a bit of a reputation. I think that his rough exterior was intimidating. Young attorneys when. I first met him you know. I was somewhat intimidated by him. John often showed up to court in moccasins and a nehru jacket. He had long hair. You know he was sort of a hippy. In the early years that he refused to wear necktie had were beaten. Things like that when when he went to court But excellent attorney an excellent lethal mind. He rarely advised his clients to waive their right to a preliminary hearing. The defense attorney can use the preliminary hearing as a tool of discovery to find out. What the witnesses going to say to limit what the witness can say when they get to the trial and to help them to be prepare. Some sort of a defense. That's how joyce came to sit on the witness stand on that june day. It was the first time she had seen doug. Since the night of the rape i went with her. I didn't go into the courtroom. Though that i was there with her. That's joyce's daughter. Kim salazar she and her husband randy had turned out to support. Joyce do you remember her saying she wanted. You understand because. I believe the told her if she told anybody he prompts he combat killer but i was just trying to tell her that i love or not and i stood behind her shoes. Frayed of joyce had not revealed the rape to her son. Greg roberts who was at the time attending dental school in virginia until the time of this court hearing. Maybe that's what she called me and told me joyce hadn't wanted what had happened to interfere with greg's studies. I think i got a muted story for sure from her. She didn't really let on much that everything that was going on surrounding it. Joyce had been more candid. With mel roberts her ex husband. She was concerned about going forward with charges. And i said you know. You're to yourself into kim and greco to hang that sub bitch. She had told mel she feared having her. Private life dissected in public in on she was prepared to be drug through the mud gushing other going to. And i said you just have to tell you what the great sauk and we you know. It's not true bill. Hold house listened to her testimony. Remember that had basically went to script. Brian ask the questions. There were in my police report. She portrayed a really nice image she. She was very likable. But i think she was embarrassed about the whole thing. She didn't really relish the thought of testifying and so she did leave some things out. He walked her step by step through the story. Her responses were not as detailed as they had been the night of but they were consistent. That is until. Brian asked if the assault had included anything other than quote normal sacks. Joyce said no. Brian had read the reports. He knew what doug had forced joyce to do when she wouldn't say voluntarily. The tiro visa prosecutor have to walk his that. You're not allowed to ask leading questions of your own witness. Joyce couldn't bring herself to talk about it in open court so when she didn't volunteered i try to figure out ways to ask the question using different words but without leading earned and that was kind of difficult. Brian tried to rephrase john objected but was overruled. The judge kept giving me a chance because he knew what was in. The problem caused even on the information. But she just wouldn't say This was a blow to the state's case but not a fatal one. John took his turn questioning. Joyce hadn't she offered to go have coffee with doug. How had she identified his car. If she hadn't seen its license plate. Mr levels attorney a chapter up on a couple. Three things didn't work to the point of greatest substance in john's questioning revolved around the medical exam. Joyce had undergone. What's known as a rape kit. The doctors and nurses notes along with the forensics gathered. During that exam had been passed to the police prosecution and defense they had become part of the record of the case. However that's not the same thing as being public. I will again acknowledge here. As i did last episode that joyce is not able to provide consent for release of this information. I have personally reviewed the rape kit records but em only revealing a sliver of what they say in this forum because they are factually relevant and were discussed in open court. Defense attorney jon. Hutchison asked joyce he knew whether or not the doctor had observed any vaginal tearing a possible indicator of forcible sex joyce replied. She didn't know the doctor's report didn't mention any vaginal tearing but then remember joyce had cooperated with her attacker following the initial barrage in her car. Because i was taking a certain amount of his focus law does and decided to cooperate so the absence of those other injuries was not unexpected. There was another issue with the rape kit evidence the crime lab tested oral and vaginal swabs collected from joyce the vaginal swab contained traces of seminal fluid. The oral however did not that meant the state had no physical evidence to support the sodomy charge. There's a good reason why that swab came back. Negative the doctor's notes stated wild. Joyce hadn't showered following her assault. She had taken a drink of water. These two factors joyce's reluctant to testify to the sodomy and the lack of supporting evidence led to the judge dismissing the sodomy count but she held up welder preliminary other than newer something. She didn't wanna talk about. joyce left. The hearing recognizing her reluctance had hurt the prosecution's case. She knew that there was things that she didn't say she probably should said but she was ashamed. And she wouldn't say it was her nightmare. Scenario like the scenes in that. Tv movie she had watched a case of rape yet she had faced it. Kim's husband randy said his mother-in-law had shown tremendous courage. This man had ruined her life and her kids life and and what. She wasn't scared anymore. She was telling the truth. And everything. You told me you're gonna kill me queue. You don't what you go to prison for. What you did to me. As for doug he would remain free on bond at least until his arraignment hearing on june twentieth. Jon hutchison showed up in court on june twentieth without his client. Doug he said was unavailable and incapacitated by a back injury. The story of the back injury had taken on a life of its own. Doug now had crutches and doctors notes. Plenty bill hold house. Thought it was all baloney never saw any indication. It was anything wrong with his health at all. He was thin to begin with. He wasn't heavy kit. Actually you know thought is being in pretty good shape. John asked the judge to postpone the arraignment. The judge agreed to a one week delay. Doug was not convalescing at home. He had taken rhonda's car that day driven to a mountain reservoir called east canyon and spent time drinking beer and boating. When doug returned home that evening rhonda had discovered. He had smashed up her car while driving. Intoxicated i'm going to kill joyce joost ronda would later say. He told her later that night police received a nine one. One call from a man who lived in the same apartment complex. Ask doug and rhonda. He had seen a blue pickup truck crashed into a parked flatbed in the parking lot of the lake park apartments. Those apartments sit on the west side of. Us highway eighty nine the road which also goes by the name. Washington boulevard is one of the primary north south arteries of utah's weber valley and it serves as the dividing line between the communities of south ogden to the east where joyce lived and washington terrace to the west because the nine one one call came from a location just two hundred or so feet on the west side of that dividing line. The dispatcher sent out an officer from washington terrace officer. Tj harper received the information at about eleven pm. He drove his patrol car over to the complex and spotted the blue ford pickup truck turning northbound onto washington boulevard. he radioed for backup and pulled. The truck over harper would write in his official report. He noted the smell of alcohol as he approached the truck. How much have you had to drink tonight. Harbor asked a couple of beers came the reply. Did you hit another vehicle back there at the lake park apartments. He asked now but some guy says i did. The driver said harper told the driver doug level he appeared to be intoxicated and would have to take a field sobriety test. A couple more patrol cars showed up about this time. They had come not from south ogden but instead from the city of riverdale even farther to the west officer harper put dug through a few quick tests which doug failed he then placed dug under arrest. The to riverdale officers began the process of impounding the pickup truck officer. Steve halliwell took a look inside the cab. He spotted a handgun under the driver's seat. A beretta model nine fifty. B s also known as the minks. This tiny semiautomatic pocket pistol fired. Twenty two caliber short rounds. What it lacked in punch it made up for in sheer sleekness. Hallo l. slid the magazine out of the gun. There were six rounds in the clip as well as one in the chamber. Ready to fire state and federal law prohibited doug from possessing firearms. Let alone a loaded. Concealed handgun wiling toxic aided and leaving the scene of an accident. This was at very least a violation of the terms of his pretrial. Release in the rape case. What none of the officers seemed to realize that night was doug had skipped court earlier that same day at that time there was very little communication between davis county county. We didn't have the same radio frequencies the washington terrace and riverdale officers apparently did not know doug stood accused of kidnapping and rape. They didn't piece together. He had been headed toward choices apartment when they had stopped him and found the little mouse gun and once again. No one bothered to tell clearfield police. Detective bill hold house. So i doubt they even really knew much about our case at that time and i didn't know anything about the dui there or more davis county prosecutor brian namba. You didn't have a lot of intelligence going on from one person to the other one agency to the other had someone with knowledge of the joyce joost case been involved in or informed of this. Dui arrest they might have realized he was on his way to joyce's apartment to kill her county. Sheriff they had enough cars that they would have briefings when they had shift change but smaller agencies is just one officer turning over the keys to the other officer and saying well. This is what happened tonight. It was after midnight when officer harper booked doug on suspicion of dui leaving the scene of an accident carrying a concealed weapon and illegal possession of a firearm by a restricted person prosecutors in we burke county filed formal charges later that same day again. No one bothered to communicate this to brian namba the prosecutor handling the rape case in neighboring davis county. You know they didn't have loved computer communication going on in those days just paper and they've probably never found out about so it was that doug level an ex-con with a history of violence who was out of jail on bond while awaiting trial for rape who police had caught with a loaded. Firearm was allowed to bail out of jail again. And joyce had no idea about any of it. One week later on june twenty sixth doug went before utah. Second district court judge rodney page for his arraignment in the rape case the purpose of ramos for the defendant declare whether he's guilty or not guilty. He pleaded not guilty to all charges. He would have heard what the evidence is against him. Preliminary hearing and when he declares that he's not guilty than that sets the stage for us set trial judge page scheduled. A trial for august twentieth. Brian namba asked the judge to compel doug to provide blood hair and saliva samples to be used in forensic tests. Doug's attorney objected but judge page issued an order to make it so judge. Page also signed. What's known as a hold order. I have a copy of this document. It reads quote. The defendant is ordered held until further notice of this court. Clear language from the judge. Saying keep this guy locked up until i say otherwise a week and a half later on july eighth. The situation with the stolen mazda came to a head salt lake city police. Detective ron greenleaf had obtained an arrest warrant possession of a stolen vehicle. There were two separate charges. One for the mazda. Seven and the other for the toyota pick-up ron drove up from salt. Lake late that afternoon and arrested doug. It was very talkative but not didn't give me one iota of information regarding this case or the stolen vehicles was just like you know. How's the weather. Gee this is fun. You know haven't been outside for well which in handcuffs. They arrived at the salt lake. County jail ron walked dug in through the sally port. He then hung around waiting and watching as doug went through the booking process. That didn't finish until a little after midnight. He just said. I guess i'll be seeing you in court. I said yes. You will run. Didn't see dug in court. Jail records show staff there. Let doug walk at one forty five. Am on july ninth a little over one hour after he was booked this even though the felony car theft charges would have been more than enough for judge to revoke his bail in the rape case. Meantime the davis county attorney's office was trying to find doug to serve the court order demanding. He provide blood and hair samples. He wasn't in the county jail. Where according to judge pages hold order. He was supposed to be detective. Bill holt house went to work tracking him down. Bill went to doug and rhonda's apartment in washington terrace on july seventeenth. He knocked on the door and was surprised when doug answered bill figured in that moment that the hold order must've been rescinded. He told doug needed to go to the hospital for the blood draw. Doug said wasn't a good time. He was babysitting his wife. Rhonda's then four year old daughter alicia. The mother was not there. Rhonda worked for the state at an office in downtown ogden and was gone during the day. Maybe bill could come back another time. Doug suggested. I was not willing to come back another time. So i told him that we can take. The daughter wins. Doug and alicia piled into bills police car. They drove around hill. Air force base to a hospital in the city of leighton for the blood. Draw on the drive back. Bill took a route that went past the bases southgate. At that time there was a large f one zero five on the stanchion which was their to see and the young girl made a comment about the airplane. Bill asked alicia to see the plane up close and offer. She eagerly accepted. This was not her fault. You know that we were in the situation. So i stopped to shore. The airplane as alicia looked wide. Eyed at the sleek jet dug into bill began to talk. We had a conversation about the case. and douglas said something about this isn't going to trial. And you know this is. Nothing's gonna come out of this. And i said i believe it is. We have the evidence for it to go to trial. He looked at me with an expression that got my attention. Bill did not startled easily. It just was like it froze the moment. The two men looked each other in the is. Bill saw an intensity in doug's expression that he still to this day struggles to put into words and He said this will not go to trial an odd thing for doug to say considering trial date had already been scheduled it was just a month away simply said you know with the girl. I didn't want to get into a shouting contest. I said i believe it. Will i let it go with the exchange left. Bill troubled that led me to believe that he could become violent. He reported this concern up his chain of command. I did mention that to the attorneys. Following that. And i did mention that the self ogden at that time. He told joyce about it as well and urged her to go stay someplace safe. I think she. She believed that she was able to take years. Joyce did not heed this advice. She declined urgent invitations to stay with her daughter. Kim and kim's husband randy she had to have some fear she had to have but she didn't ever let on she was afraid randy did not realize the latch. On one of joyce's apartment windows was broken. You could slighted open even from the outside. I would've known. I would've. I would've put that. I mean i never heard of it. Doug level was well aware the heat of the afternoon struck joyce joost as she followed her daughter kim to the parking lot outside. Royal studio a photography. Business inauguration where kim worked it was saturday august tenth nineteen eighty five. Joyce had just taken a job at the studio as well having quit her position selling for for the weinstocks department store the pay was better and her commute was only four miles instead of forty. Kim's shifted the photo studio ended earlier than her mother's on that hot summer saturday. I always got up early on saturdays. We only worked until like noon She stayed there all day so she walked me out and i remember i had actually thought about asking her if she would watch the kids that night because we were gonna go somewhere but then she told me that they were gonna go out to the base. Listen to steve play in the band. So i never you know asked her to babysit the kids. Steve was the adult son of joyce's close friends. Gordon and terry kaufman. Joyce also had made plans for the following day a guy friend she had been seeing john gibson was coming over to barbecue. Joyce finished her shift later that saturday afternoon and went out to her car. It wasn't the big oldsmobile anymore. She had sold that days earlier. And in its place purchased a white nineteen seventy-six chevy nova. She went home. Changed into a pink dress then drove the nova over to her sister. Dorothy house on fern street in clearfield. Dorothy later described the events of this night in a police. Interview dot com. Joyce told dorothy. She had sold the oldsmobile. The check she had received from the buyer was in her purse. Joyce and dorothy carpooled to the club together leaving the nova parked outside dorothy house student based differ. It's just easier to. They spent the next several hours socializing dancing and listening to the band. They liked this as long as we weren't too loud and people could get out and dance on the answer that have a good time. They dance on the most. Every song steve kaufman. The front man had put the group together years earlier in nineteen sixty four started in eighth grade. Mt ogden junior high school and basically was a way to get girls to like you. The band is still together today. Under the name outrageous. But in eighty-five they were called still rain. We open for everybody from the monkees. The jannine dean. Johnny rivers tommy. James and the shondells Three dog night all kinds of different. Different groups mamas. And the papas. Still rain had flirted with going big time in the mid seventies but here a decade later. They mostly just gigged on the weekends. The officers club hill was a regular venue. Is club had a big bar and those guys in the air force so these were all officers and their wives and their friends the o. Club often booked still rain on back to back nights friday and saturday for four hours each night. I don't know how did that. But i didn't know any better i mean you know that's all by was rock and roll guide. Music was everything. Joyce was only five years older than steve but he remembered thinking she must have been even older since she socialized with his parents. My parents lived at a place called the apartments which was over by the the old mckay dee hospital and it was kind of a big fancy new complex and had a wonderful outdoor pool in every sunday. That's where a lot of people had church at that tool for those who weren't going to one and joyce was always over there hanging out been wild since joyce had been over to the kaufman's terry kept hoping to catch up with her but they were seated on opposite ends of the table. They weren't able to chat from that distance over the noise of the band. Joycean dorothy danced their last dances as the clock approached midnight. They said their goodbyes. As the band wound down their final set. Then the two sisters went out to dorothy car and drove back across the freeway into clearfield. The weather had turned while they had been at. The club is very nice. Wall left owns about mid term. Real home joyce in her pink dress was not prepared to stand out in the icy wind chatting with her sister. We set at night often in the driveway uniter. She got all all mine. Joyce drove to her apartment where she parked the nova in the carport she went inside changed out of her dress flipped on the little. Tv on her dresser and settled down to bed. the kaufman's had remained at the officers club a little while longer to talk with their son because my parents were very supportive they would often bring friends and stuff to hear us would come come here. The band they liked carrying the band. Gordon and terry didn't leave the club until a bit after midnight. There route home took them past. Joyce's apartment sometime between twelve thirty. And one a m terry noticed. Light enjoys his kitchen window suggesting she might still be awake. She turned to her husband. Who was driving with a suggestion. Stop intact joyce it didn't get a chance to talk to a too much tonight. Issue sitting out the other initiative on that held senior. I or maybe a couple of months to talk to us and visit with her and find out how she's doing he lift us. Foster was i think around twelve food twenty after twelve. And it's kinda late. We were going into salt lake the next day so we said that that's the you do. 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It's watch what happens with ashley. Darby and ryan o'connell now bravo clubhouse after potomac pajama party. That i'd more drama than a community theater. Rendition of look at me. I'm sandra dee. But i guy says the only thing. That's your the two boys as me tonight. We're putting that theory to the test. Please welcome realize. I've potomac ashley. Darby plays the character right for publication named egg woke but his takes on how size or so. You could crack an egg on all of them. It's a creator writer and star of special bench. Season two on net flicks ryan. Okada gotta tell you. I'm late to the party. I started watching special last night. And it is so wonderful. And i'm so you're not only such great actor but the writing is so funny so thank you tonight. Bartenders should be totally at home. It might clubhouse watering since. I've told he's dealt with all kinds of holes this season. Say hi to ashley's husband michael darby now. I need michael ashley. This does i mean this does beg a question referenced a whole last week ashley you said we were having to be creative with holes right. I do not often embarrassed asking questions on this show. We've got we've got absolutely or this speculation in the potomac universe was what whole were you referencing. Yes so many people thought. I was referring to my back door. Yes that's what i thought too. I was not okay. I was referring to your mouth. Only only a few that we all our bodies enough that it. Congratulations on the baby tonight. We saw how many months ago was that. Because look at you as four months ago. Wow yeah. I don't know what happened but the weight this time just like well off any postpartum. I do think eating the placenta helped because i have not had any post-partum eight dabbled some in your drink tonight. So that you just shooting up michael. There were photos that surfaced this week of you at a bar speaking to a blonde woman and everyone just assumed the worst. So take the floor and air jealous. So nabokov is Both fashion. I go out sometimes. We go out together on around. And so i went out and had a good time and of course this fans all over the place and says but you know i'm always going to have pictures taken of me and places i i really don't care anymore. I have a good time. And i love this woman delay and we're together forever so actually in a way that is you say that zooming that you. If he goes out alone he has your full trust at this point. Yes he does. I go out to andy. Let's let's track record that's true. Okay yes but we are doing things differently. This time post-partum and we're having more fun this time than we did last time so i think i'm keeping them happy at home. Okay so many holes last week on the show. We had a conversation with candace. Who's new song came out. I don't know if you saw this. And i said you know you really ragged on ashley about her auto tune at the reunion but you feature auto tune in your son. Don't say so write. What she said was that her auto tune was more creative. Use of it and you used it throughout your song and the response to that. This issue of candidates is no matter how much you try to talk to her about something and confront her about something always going to find some way to push it off. Shove it up bench. If you like auto and just say you like auto tone if okay all right all right there you go. I guess the other ashley reshare. It wants to know why you're doing your best to relieve your husband's sexually in case he strays while you're heavily pregnant. Should he be doing his best to make sure you're comfortable instead. That's called feminists. Let me clarify for everybody. So when i'm about six months postpartum i have this extra of like a teenage boy. Okay it's really high. I'm very driven. And then when i get to about nine months things get a little uncomfortable but i still have the drive. So the urges there but physically nature is just not on my side. Yeah okay. I don't know if that totally nailed it. But i worry was. Starring ryan worked on the reboot of will and grace but if he does get to sound off on how size right now. He's gonna throw a fit like karen. So let's get all his hot takes totally. You appreciate. How forthright nia is or has been a little too much for you never team. I like when the house is get prudish. I'm like honey. Rewind the tape unique. I mean i just a new house. Pipe like working for a paycheck. And i respect and honor that okay. What do you make of ramona constantly taking issue with ebony wanting to discuss topics that aren't light and fun well that's called white fragility and ebony should not handle care okay. Beverly hills reaction to everything. Going on with erica. And the revelations that she's been sharing. Yeah erica step spooky spaghetti. I think it's like i think it's kind of both can be true with eric. I think she was any dark kind of loveless marriage where the power dynamics were thrown out of whack. Do i think that she knew something was up. Yes whether she's whether she said didn't say anything because she felt powerless and didn't have any agency or because she wanted wanted to go home team. Who knows johnny phase robin and one will actually make it to the altar. No say yeah. The cycles already said it. Michael do you still not have faith that they're going to make it to the raisin for one the there's no reason why would he do well. We'll ronnie the woman that he loves her one time. How many times you have to say. I do think it's gonna happen you do i do. I feel it doesn't needs to wake up to how the wedding for their friendship turned frenemy ship karen or giselle. I mean they're both complicit they both like level a little drama stopping send karen my life source and my queen and i always forever stand. Okay reaction to wendy. two point. zero aka zen win. I need your reaction. I mean new body new brain. I can relate okay new. It's exactly and how were you reacting to it. I just feel like you know. I guess when coming into her own now. But i just wish he had presented that i thought of four degrees and now here's my believes like just come up with who you really are from the beginning if she wanted to be more sexual and fielder skinned. Just say that all right. Thank you very much showed a lot to say about the state of ashley's booty. But i wanna see if ashley can say some nice things about her without talking out of her ass actually check your messy boots at the door. You're about to spill the positive ity. Which candice's songs is your favorite. Andy i swear to goodness. I've never listened. Listened to one of them. What is one word. You would describe to us candidates to describe candice as a friend Gelatinous what is your favorite memory from kansas. Old town house. her mom's table. It was very nice. Bombs your favorite thing about this mom dorothy everything. Okay older a boss. In a relationship tonight which. I'm sure caused the women to wonder if in addition to getting a new boobs and some other things i can't say on this show maybe she had also implanted ourself with a sense of superiority in honor of that. We're going to play who's gonna present you with some bravo couples. You have to say who wears the pants in each relationship. Who's the boss caren. Or ray huber karen huber carrying pob okay. Karen's the top who's bus. Lisa arena or harry hamlin ryan harry's the top the bottom. Okay lisa run that wendy or ed when day windy yes. Okay both agree. Who's the boss robin or one. Okay who's the boss. Melissa or joe gorgon. Don't do not disturb okay. Who's the boss in. Ashley's marriage to michael ryan herbie fully loaded putting you on the spot like this. I would say actually is t but actually actually verse. can we come out with the verse. Verse king queen. Actually i just saw what that means. They had no idea i learn. Who's the boss kyle. Murray co do we think. Oh i think the verse. I honestly yeah okay very good. What about candy burruss or todd tucker candy handy all right thanks. Let's go to the virtual fans. Helen nikki and chrissie from syracuse. The question for ashley and mentoring you issues with both of them. Lois your reaction to hearing. He ended. Sit down last week in current not regretting house. She treated kim. I have to say that. I'm really proud of karen for sticking to her guns because when i tell you caryn got it left right and center. She really did. And somehow she's still managed to maintain her position which i appreciated from austin question for ryan yet. Andy looking good commie. I see michael. What ryan you crack me up when you text on your morgan and season two a special. What's your all time. Favorite sonja morgan moment from the show. Oh my god is such a good question definitely not when she smashed a mirror right. I think you know what scary island we watched recently. She's the one that's most lucid. She's the voice of regimes. The voice of reason which i'm like my bones of crushed is thinking that but like it's iconic and i feel like i'm yearning for that sonia. How long have you been working. How long did you work on creating special. Because i have to assume that we're not a lot of parts being offered to you for people with cerebral palsy. So you wrote it yourself. Yeah it was tumbleweeds. But i'm going. I don't screw around. Yeah selling a show with the gay. Disabled lead was spoiler alert very hard so it took like door to door for years. Yeah it was a journey here. We are really good. Ashley callie effluence. You think giselle was being genuine from wanting to hang out with me without karen and is there and she just trying to turn me against the garonne dom no i really do. Think giselle wanted to get to know her. So giselle can be very tough egg to crack but she also just wants to kind of see what meal was about and to be fair to giselle meal was the one who approached. Giselle at wendy's house. Okay so we have to put that out there i. It wasn't like this like he's may friend know via came first ryan. Kelly asset is a superfan of. You could bring back one housewife to any franchise. Who would it be and why. Easy question bethany. Nothing is everything. She's a hoji she. She's got a job ryan raquel kelsey said. I know you have a major crush on captain. Lee thoughts on captain glenn. Does he do it for you to yes honey. I'm looking for someone who puts the ho- in hospice. Jeez said ashley how do you feel about the way. Wendy's coming mia since wendy came and you so hard last year. Unfortunately it's a little par for the course. I think that when mia was very open and upfront about her work. I think it made wendy a little bit on guard because similarly she came from me about you know motherhood journey so i think that when she feels like she's being a little bit threatened or cramped. That's when you know. Dr wendy comes out all right well. Michael wasn't able to attend cairns love lunch but that's not going to stop him serving some to go dish right. Now with around of lovey dovey. Darby's i'm gonna post some relationship questions to both darby's who will write down their answers on their whiteboards and ryan is going to say whether he thinks their answers will match. Okay here we go again. You will reveal okay okay first question. Which of the ladies in your group would michael select for a hall. Pass my go. Write your answer down. Please okay ryan. Will they match first of all. I hope for all of us that they do revealing the saying time. It's ready care. Okay yeah i know. I know okay. Let's let's okay. let's reveal. Its reveal giselle for both of you so know it's a win. I love it. Okay what are the opening lyrics to. Ashley's hit song coffee and love. What are the first few words of the song. Now ashley you need. Oh my god. Andy look at this. I ryan will. They may not know. Actually i don't i don't remember right now. Okay ronan reveal yours. Yours is have you ever. Have you ever loved that. Ashley you right. It's all the things. I wanna tell you next question. How many threesomes have the two of you had came up with these questions by shady staff if they don't correct the same. We did the same thing. We're not going to live. Hey hey okay. let's reveal. I have a feeling. I know what is going to write. But it can't be okay. Let's reveal now actually says too. He says more than more than less than a hundred okay and she said to kind of which of her fellow housewives. Does ashley complain about the most. Why are they going to get this. Ryan seems pretty lear. Let's reveal one. Two three candice candice ryan bradley. I'm wants to know your favorite moment from the first season of salt lake city. What are you looking most forward to for the new season. Oh my god well. First of all second seasons all about jen. Shah's arrest which. I'm obsessed. I the first thing i thought of was the cameras there and they were so. I'm looking forward to that. The reason to live first season anything to do with brooks and meredith. It's taken us so long to get a gay son. In a housewives franchise and. I'm so glad that we're finally here. Representing very good. Illicit g wants to know if you really believe that candace forgot to invite you to her town house party or do you think it was intentional. Oh gosh. I know desire to be ms dorothy house. I'm good. i've been there once or twice. I'm fine and quite frankly. I had really just given birth to my baby. So i'd rather have a little a little baby suckling and taking the life out of me than be at kansas letter. Not awful ryan mario l. Know what you thought in the news. That heather do bro is returning to orange county. Whatever all right. He's serving the honest. Okay it's okay to say it's very good. Her interior a little creepy little bit like a little. But that franchise needs azuz. I'm excited for there to be like some fresh blood very good old blood whatever it is time for watch what happens five in the four episodes that we've known me she's been anything but private about the work. She had done on her private parts in honor of that educational experience. We're counting down. The top five sex education moments on bravo number five is less about one particular moment and more about the woman who's given us bedroom. Candy bolo and enough sex. Ed to fill a whole dungeon allegedly candy. Burruss is number five if you like senior coladas then you'll love number four. It's theresa teaching all of us. Pineapple can make you tastes sweet down there who knew our number three moment at everyone's saying holy moly about the female anatomy. It's the woman to my left ashley. Darby my sex drive is there. But it's just not comfortable to have sex. I gotta do. I gave him more than one. Whole so i just thought to. Hey everybody's got to be happy. I mean by the way. I also love that. You have that conversation with your mother. I told my mom the first time i had sex. I called her right after. So we're very close. How okay number. Two could forget when candice answer the age old question. Does the penis match the drapes spoiler alert. It doesn't a little nasal around on his brown. The tip is a little bit. This is number one. Sex education moment on bravo is a strong argument for giving your mouse. Go in the bedroom comes from ladies so new. Mortar harry. juban was my boyfriend like thirty years ago. I think i was allergic. 'to sperm okay. 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24. We put the band back together!

Retail Adventures

41:44 min | 4 months ago

24. We put the band back together!

"Everyone welcome back to another episode of retail adventures. Podcast with kaiser bender and me. Now let's see you guys back together. Yay the band is back together and just got back from a trip to the shore jersey short. That's just yeah just got back from jersey shore as a good good. That's that's the type of vacation of feel like you could do pretty comfortably right now outdoors. Everybody was i mean. There's nobody at the show now. This is the first time we went right before the season. Yeah good idea because not everything's open but for the most part most things are open and you're the only one there. There's very few people so you could really enjoy it. I really needs to place the beach. That's it yeah we stay. We stayed at a place you could. You could almost hear the waves from the condo. The reason why can't is because if you've ever been to the wildwood beach it just goes on forever. It's like a mile long beach but you could see the water and that was great. My family and i rented a place couple of years ago in ocean city and it was right on the beach and every morning. We get up and walk rate as awesome. That's what we need to go whine on the time crisis jersey. I go to hawaii gorgeous. I would love to go back to maui. It's probably one of my favorite places. I've ever been in my life insurance so at the spur of the moment. That's that's when you kinda did that when we go we. We kinda did that. When we went to jamaica we were like it was kind of spur of the moment. Let's just let's just try it Daughter was two and half at the time and we were like. Let's just go. let's just try it. And then of course covid happened like while we were there. You were ready to try. I saw ready traveling. And i've been looking at. I want to go back to new orleans soon. Of course it's a thousand degrees. Their ticket prices are crazy right now. But you know. I'll wait a little bit. We're booked me crazy gracie high crazy crazy. So we're we're starting to get booked again. You disagree presentation Three book now on in august and another one in october. So i can't cover basket to go back to vegas three times a year at least four times a year the sovereign either three times can have to pry you away from the forum shops. Yeah i'm always do. A facebook live from the shots on anxious to do that this time. Because you know what's gonna be different winter. Talk to salespeople but what else is now. I adopted cats. That's nice when. I lost my ops last year in the been trying to find a little bit. The bullet got two cats device. Adam and what a difference that makes them at and what your house keeping on your choice to my wife. She goes read. Do you justice furry to earth. Don't ya so this morning. Was something happening for me. What we're gonna. I'm on my way to the five hundred oh going back to daytona morrow. Some indian indian andy. India has thirty year together in every year. There's a permanent hold on this week after noon monday. Because rich goes to the indy five. Listen my brother. Al brother from another mother father grew up next week. We have been going for. i think. Forty seven straight years l. Always buy tickets. He's on the indianapolis five hundred hall of fame for chicken plow yemenite. That we've never miss means. He's he's spent a shit load of money on indie indy. Five hundred races. A lot of money in indiana indianapolis as a whole slew. All right turning into retail and allegri backswing cats so before. I adopted them. No no because the the thing that i come into the spring and retail wires really interesting. Petco in about how petco like. A lot of retailers is using its stores as warehouses while you order something online and it's full from a local store so right now it's it's really can chew in amazon because things are coming in so i adopted these adopted bef bella in the first thing i did was i went to a head coach store and i bought all the things that you need when you get a new pet While stuff and i joined their their rewards for room and i signed up for their email less so now every week. I get an email from them a couple times a week. There's always a deal and offered. Do i need to reorder this. Forget the anointed this. If i order right now they can deliver it to my house within two hours on like a mile from store and the thing that i love about is because when i go into the store now the people who work in the store are actually pulling the words. So they know. Oh you're georgeanne. How howard bella and me are they are they doing the work in store actually know about my pets concerned serve customers in. It's a chain store but you know what there's a real big thrust in that now because the cove it the everybody that smart is lane the gauntlet saying in this store. What must we do to the service provider bar. None you know. What can we do and you know someone who says well. We're going to send out all these notices on social media. Look social media okay. But it's the interaction between human beings. It's really important. I think that well you gotta have a reason like what's your reason for coming back because quite frankly we haven't had one for a long time it's been a year of people not really wanting to go into a store so like you talk about the bells and the whistles and the customer service and this and that but at the end of day. What's the main reason. I'm going to go back into a stores. Ease is i mean. Look i got way to use to shopping for groceries online. And now i could just go and pick them up and they load them into my trunk and i could drive away. I don't know if that's something i really want to do. Is go like i like going to the grocery store every now and then pick something maybe producer. Like if you're buying or something you don't really want someone else to buy that for you but other than that like i don't know it saves me a ton of time. I have a small child. I just want to go. It's not really something. I wanna spend three hours doing on a sunday. Well you can also do curbside pickup breathing. I still had to go grocery shopping. Isolated take everything i enjoy. It's like a downtime for go it's really busy go on. It's you know kinda either later at night or early in the morning. Because i like to do that but i also send my aunt food via instacart in new york and that has been dodson. Yeah and we've gotten to used to mean it's something not now has become part of our routine so it's really hard to break routine fry. It was hard to go to it but now that we've been on it. It's we realized how easy it is. And it's saving me a ton of time on having to go to. The grocery store still have to go to the grocery store and pick it up but i mean that's the hour and a half don't deliver to petsmarts a great example of it. You mentioned it. You had to end the call. No we're opening up and we're going back in your so. I think you're gonna find we're gonna find two people in in separate categories. There'll be people that say. I don't have to leave the house by what you'd sell so at that point you and others say we're gonna go back and i think that's not gonna change in any fast fashion. I'm kind of a hybrid kirk sites. I gotta go away by online so our buy online store is not gonna go away. What you're talking. Jason is in go away. But i find myself hybrid. I i like to go shopping. So that's an anomaly now during deliver I still have things food delivered. Sometimes i like to cook more elected restaurants close online because they never fit. I hate underneath the same. I gotta send a back in. It's a hassle. So i think a lot of becoming hybrids but if proven that more people are still shopping in stores so even when the even when the search for product online think it's seventy eight percent of people are still going into distort pick it up before call but it was ninety percent. I would love to know the demographic though because it's like for me having i mean it's different because right different stages of life degrading what you do and it's a so we so having a young child i'm like oh my gosh. There's so much time to do literally everything else that we have to do and like the majority of day quite frankly. Entertainment i'm in the entertainment business to entertain much. How much of the day you know so going to places. Sometimes while that might be something to do on a rainy day go to the store. That's a great thing to do with child. There's other things that i'm like. Well i'd rather just have the groceries delivered to the car. We'll go make it a trip. You know picking up comeback and then. I don't have to spend the whole time in the grocery store with the three year old. Who's going to drive me crazy for that our but then there's other things. I like to do when she's napping i'll go to the liquor store by myself and i get to look at all the stuff because i was doing drizzly for a year while drizzly great and what a great app. They'll just deliver liquor to your house. It's very dangerous. You not least have the experience of walking. The i'll see what's new in the craft beer sections something i like to do so. Yeah there's things that. I think you'll go back and do that. You enjoy but they've made a really convenient to not have to go in places. You want to go to resolve something that i read about a couple of weeks ago and i i. I can't remember which store. It is senior amazon walmart. But they wanna put they want. Do this new program where you order merchandise in a brit your house and they put it in your kitchen or they put it in your garage grudge. Your ring ring has a partnership where the with the delivery you can sign up. And they'll they'll get the garage code or whatever and leave it in your garage and it's happening behind the door but you know what by clouds in your view. If i go into the garage door deal inside the door. Ninety percent of the time. I am not thinking about the fact that there's something in the garage pop in white potatoes will be mad. What you don't really what we're talking about. You say incredible fear to retail companies because one of the things that retail standards. Aren't we want you to come in as you come in. Our job is to make the place a place where you will see things. You don't me but you want and critically important when you call. The grocery store is things you need and something you want but they're you can't spiteful you know what verticals the verticals that are doing really well are the ones that are the see touch feel type industries so like home. Improvement has taken like this huge. I mean a huge spike. Well first of all everyone's at home and be like. Did you know that toilet. Sales are like at the highest that they've been in like years toilets Actual toilets they go to the toilet store. Where redone and so. We're having a new state put in new vanity new flooring. We have had to wait like a month. And a half timely done in two or three months stand the sigma vanity burden. Because there's so many people doing the same thing like we were going to finish our basement. We're waiting because a the contractor prices are so high now because everyone's doing a project be they wouldn't do it this year anyway. If we tried to same with my pool we just had a liner putting our. It's an above ground pool. It's not really that nice. Can you get what you can. Yes you gotta pool. it's a it's a big hole. No but we just had a liner done we have. We had to get the liner back in january. Because we knew that there was to be a shortage. And sure enough. There's a chlorine shortage and there's a shortage on like pool. Liners has above. Ground is a beautiful pool. I said to him when you're gonna get the same opened up and he said i don't know because we can put the water. He does not have one right now. I simple he's got a dog covered over and he said i can't get chemicals. That's the problem with me. Shopping overall so highs. You're talking about needs to be a great experience. When i get task sales people that are really informed about what they're what the product they're selling really be which is hard for retailers down to find people work in store south When i go to restore a lot of them that i'm going to just because a shipment issue is what's been happening still have the assortment or the selection i want and so sometimes i walk in. I nine what am i doing a waste of my time yet. I'm so compelled to go into a store I always find something. there's always. there's somethings that you just have to go to the store for like we wanna buy patio furniture. The patio furniture. We've had thirteen years old. Fourteen years old. We want to buy something new and we were looking online. And it just doesn't you can't you can't this zia. You had to see you have to see what it really looks like. Set up on the couch but then everything else i mean like you said cat food. We have ours on auto order from petsmart. I think the biggest challenge for radio. And i know it's i know. It's a channel for upper management on this generally upper management as a lot of orders. They come down. He couldn't do it themselves. And but is to take the products that you have in the store move. 'em like crazy. Megan look as good as possible. And don't talk heavily about what can't get into the image word. Sorry think that the merchant is true. True true merchant because they have to make some time some really hard decisions. How can we show more low better without the investment right and it's not and it's not the investment. Isn't that being. Maybe they don't wanna invest. It's not maybe like you said it's you know it's short supplies. You can't get like seven hundred or eight hundred feet of fencing. I want place price of would right now for me to replace that three times a year ago our neighbor solar house that they moved into five years ago solar house last week for one hundred sixty thousand dollars more than a purchase. it for. it's crazy. Yeah we were looking at that. So there's a home in our neighborhood That they literally just bought two built. Okay first of all and church and you know living having lived in this area what it costs to live in bergen county new jersey. Fifteen minutes manhattan. Yeah they had built so you can imagine what they spent now. They have to move because they're moving to florida. Their home is going for almost two hundred and fifty thousand dollars more than what they spent on it. Two years ago it's crazy. It's crazy predominantly on sixty minutes. Lesley fact there's all these people selling houses and then when you go to buy another house my also talked about. Hey maybe our work. A whole bunch of money sell and me. We moved around so much. When i was a kid because my father was in sales we've over in the witness protection program were very excited. In fact i've lived in saint thomas to different houses that the same town my entire almost my entire marriage over forty years so i love that but you know we thought let's check it out but then what are we going to buy is going to be crazy. You don't really what's the point but anyway what they said in a sixty minutes segment was the fact that there are all these people who really need to buy houses. They might be first time homeowners in late. They're looking for house well within their means and they can't find them because even the starter homes are crazy marked up expanse. No now. it's time for me to sell my house before i created slater florida. They want they want us to press. They're still little equal. If i sold my house for five hundred thousand dollars. I'd have to buy five hundred thousand dollars down there i know. Lay your money. Goes a lot further down there than it does where you are. You could get taj mahal for five in florida in. May you could get a swimming pool. So i would both usually excuse me. I got a flight to catch my family. So my my brothers I think i talked about. My brothers is a police officer. In durham north carolina. I have My uncle and my aunt live in raleigh north carolina. My uncle for the past I guess he's lived down there for almost twenty years now Almost every year sends me Like the an example of a house down there for what my house. Roughly is worth and what they're paying taxes and he's like you could live in a mansion like good. I mean i ve addicted to those home improvement shows in the one that i really like is the one called hometown with. I can't remember the ben and laurel. And i i didn't show but now they keep repeating. These smaller houses are almost like hodges big porches in the front or one big room and the two bedrooms taking. That's my one. But i. I knew orleans i need all i did not want in new orleans. I wanna live in the french word. Well i wanna live in a french quarter. That's pricey at a crazy. I mean look and just her rent something for a couple of months in on the richard. It's it's crazy. But anyway good. I would love to buy a shore house talking about jersey. Shore would love to see. We call our ocean the shore. I would love to love to get one of those. I guess everyone knows that right because the jersey shore stay trae one melissa. What a horrible stain on this wonderful state though saw the jersey shore. What is it's new jersey housewives. We'll have a new jersey real housewives of new jersey. I went to a baseball game. I don't know without it. And they all booed recline was from the first season. I don't remember name. Whoever the bad the like at one everyone the one that she. She flipped the table because she hated her. Recent judaic. no. Not theresa theresa flip the table but it was because she was angry at y'all son that's impressive. I know because that fire elites duping tv. Stupid teaming i. I'm going to segue your topic. The jordan so victoria secret no longer part of l. brats and it has a new ceo who this week said. We've moved from frankly being irrelevant to relevant to being for him to being for her she said that was victoria's secret the fact that it really so close for men to give to women will finally. They're admitting that you know those fashion shows there for ya. All y'all people. What are you stunned. I'm trying to think the last time. I was in shopping. Victoria's secret you're the wrong bradley. Okay jockeys greenback. I like him. Can we change the subject. I'm uncomfortable i understand. That will prompt some leg and if he can make it work well to get rid of fashion show besides that kind of they're also now will it can't be no. You can't unlicensed topic. They're now using plus size models who are fourteen fourteen which is the eric's a woman in the united states wears and is not what size so my deal is. If you're going to say you're doing plus signs show real women like dodos like irredentist. Qvc and that the moms vic the they're calling plus size are gorgeous and are absolutely perfectly proportioned for their size swimming coming out different places. It's not your perfect hourglass victoria secret. Mike and needs to step up to the plan will will. Maybe that's what they're doing. I mean baby. That's coming sensible sizing right well. Let's how and sensible you wanna talk about guns kinda like it's kinda like the whole abercrombie brand right like some of these brands function really well. In the time they're in and then they become irrelevant because they're no longer you know the ever everyone else has evolved but these brands are somewhat. Yeah but they don't nourish was her heat out he couldn't well. That's why why he was a bro mentality. And that's like okay. Fires a short cut have a paradigm of the Bucket it's called the bucket paradigm and embody fair but compare. And here's what it is stores open up and they do really well because you know. They're they're flashy the the hip and cool and what happens is success comes and the bitch shots of the company. Put a bucket over their head and stop looking thinking. They got the combination down on main street correct. The bucket has a hallway. And had you know that's the mistake. I remember limited stores. There's not a bunch of left anymore. But i'm over. That was my story. Choice allows high school. i graduated nineteen seventy-three that was like if you shop limited. It was cool but then it's like i will that older twenties things didn't fit the same way even waiting more. Your body changes every decade and styles. Work quite the same. And i was in retail the time and i i was working in cosmetics department position at that time and i remember talking to a regional manager at the limited about. That just happened to be in store when i started asking questions. He said while our customer ages out of our store we will always be the store for girls high school through college and then as you get older. You're not a customer. And i thought okay that makes sense but it also makes sense to grow along with your customers to a certain point. Abercrombie could never get out of salt away. I mean this is. Maybe this is a bad analogy. But i think of bands almost and it's like if you're a fan of i don't know the rolling stones. Let's say you've kind of grown with them right and their music is not the same now as it was when they came out. And maybe you don't like what they're doing now. Maybe it will always be a fan of what it was. But it evolves like good good bands evolve. I think of that in the way of like stores because stores are a brand at the end of the day band is a brand and good brands. They know who their target is and their target may be aging with them or maybe they make themselves relevant to what's current and they're staying fresh. But i don't know i i think it's knowing knowing your sweet spot right knowing who you are and i think that i think that especially for independent retailers the retailers who survived the pandemic understand that you know he is that were pivoted along with that. I i read this morning. that nordstrom a bad quarter and it was due to closing stores. I shop But even before the pandemic the clothing is just incredibly expensive for what you get or. It's you know flow. He drapey things that you know when i when he hit a certain age or slow start. I don't know the the chico's model friends your retina chico's a good example of a store that knows who's yard it is he goes chico's gets they know their customers can be chico. Chico's chico's nordstrom selling the flow e. You know what about old navy so old navy's a brand that i think his kind of stayed the course and stayed somewhat relevant over the only old navy. All navy has things in their stores. That are really hugh you go to their parent. Company store gap vice to work for you. Know at the gap is still sell insane stuff and sold when i worked there in the seventies. You know it hasn't changed still go to get your work shirt. I wear banana or banana republic all the time. They changed their logo but their stores are variety. John they feel fresh. they feel like they. They're another one that i don't know you remember on the gap traces that six six years ago. Seventy blue box and says gap on they. They paid some company. One point two million dollars to recharge the logoff so that was just a word gap with a little blue box in the corner and people went nuts. I make bad logo yours for social media and that somebody came out with With the website crap your own logo and so you take your logo and you can put it through. Alternate put a little box in whatever your logo colored operating ports. Congratulations you just say one point. Two one point seven million dollars pepsi pepsi's did the same thing. Do you remember that. I think they spend even more. I think spent four. Yeah i think they spent like four something like i dunno. They spent a lot of money and they took the pepsi logo and all they did was they went like this. They turned it on. Its side for that kind of my number. and his. that's near. And dear to all our heart norfolk and arm leg to change. Its name not going there and no one cared waste the money you know with that selling. Go there anytime from a branding. Physician customers agree pickle. Don't mess with the position i like. You're you're going obsolete and got to make a change that's knowing your customers knowing andrew. Brandt is your brand strong yet. Hurt themselves and it was stupid to do and netted recoup from that. And you've lost confidence when your brand is. I'm gonna put my brand on every piece of clothing and everybody has sweatpants. Is's gap on it or t shirt this gap on sweatshirt. The says gap on it and change the logo. Now that so. Now what is my ch- shirt irrelevant. Tired they said That it was a contest and they just you know to see what people say. Roy which spin that now that installs my judge in now you got problem with me is a customer the molly the malls that we have been to our busy. There's a lot of maybe a week but on weekends hacked and everybody's carrying a bag up into a mall happy. Will you went to. Did you go to press park. Reggie our to get four hours ago ono. That was a long time ago. No no i haven't been tomo. I've been going on weekends to watch people in my life. I always avoided malls here on the weekends anyway. Now and now. I'm still get reason to go to the mall. I know it makes terrible rate. I'm on a retail podcasts. I'm saying i avoid malls. But i think we're gonna make a comeback. Not all of them. I think the dnc stores maybe not so harsh but i think embiid malls comeback will the promised they were going for experiential and everything was like movie theater restaurants this and then covert now so then it rendered them useless for. Where's the dream it's No it's only a weird question. Same place it's been for the past twenty years ago. Yeah yeah it opened. Grand opening was march twenty twenty. You can't make it up now. They opened i think at the end of twenty nine thousand nine hundred and the beginning of twenty twenty was when it's full rollout was so like i blame them for this It's all experiential. It's like sixty percent experiential so theme parks. They have an indoor ski slope. We've not been in there yet. I really wanna go actually. It's the largest indoor waterpark. I think either in the world her there. It's definitely in the united states. I don't know if it's large in the world. There theme parks bigger than the one in It's nickelodeon theme parks larger long the morning america gas. I can only imagine what it's like in their mall. America's soulmate logan now. I think it's the mouse now. Thought it was. Or maybe it's like maybe nelson then. It became declined. So there's some stores that are opening up in new york city richland go see the summer so i thought that we do a road show will come in. You can meet us in the city and then we can go visit the dream altogether. Do you come here. We'll go to the dream all fires a hotel show sunny city and based only have so many hotels over here. You could just like throw ball your hit a hotel. There's so much because there's a google store opening up the summer. And i really wanna sir. I have heard about the google store. Yeah it's been a be all of google's items in one place Hey google fitbit is had written a nest as there's chromebooks in you can either by the head into the store or you can go to google store dot com and order them and pick them up in store and the people who work there going to be absolute experts his. Show you how to do everything which you don't like for you. You'll be able to fly. Do what they can try out a third okay. We saw apple. That should have been the genius bar should have been the idiot bar because of the because of the majority of people who need to go there not. I hope that i was one of the people that actually went to the microsoft store. When i share. I used to love going in store. Local woodfield mall and talk to people you know. Get our by a computer. Get one six or excessive. Whenever in love now. I can't do that anymore because they closer stores. Everything is now a wool store on the closed. Their stores everything either online or or you call him on. The phone and enact is not helping me. I had an issue with our computer couple of weeks ago where it did but it just it well away and i was on the floor with them for a couple of hours a day over my computer but if your computer your computer stops working that's like a good right. You can't get so. I miss the i. Missile stores apple store samir frustrating. Because i don't wanna make an appointment for two weeks down the road or on a tuesday known when i'm at work. I need help right away. So i hope this mobile store offers better assistance. Yeah well it's frustrating when you need when you need tech halprin and there's nobody to help you have to come donna. Standard line as my my. My world doesn't stop just pewter you walk you walk in and say i need help. They'll make an appointment. But i'm here we can't help you. Do you know what the problem is. I do but i think there's to be a big opportunity. For tech tech related companies. There is an opportunity. Right tech is growing. I mean you guys know association for. They do that they do help you at best buy They still the g geek squad slide. That will help you. But you still don't normally making your band but you can make those online and then go in and going. Yeah i get. I am with the the genius bar are day out of just one thing and i have a sliver of appointments open for catastrophes like if i'm sitting here and i'm working right now george and coming down for tomorrow we ought to be able to say. Oh cafe. twenty five bucks. I need to sam. They have made my life way. Pay a yearly fee with geek squad. And if there's an issue we have priority and you can take your computer in la. They don't charge unless there's parts so big and we need real absolutely. Make time to comment in. Hang with is summer when you not. You're short house. We can experience the ballot. Who will with the right chemicals. Come on over. Swim to l frank bomb. Everybody asked me that. I should probably just say yes dance. Yeah i'm a start saying one of my english professors in college asked me. Are you related to was. It's frank l. Bound right health right frank right now and i said no and i was like oh. That was the biggest mistake. I have made because have gotten such great treatment all semester. Stupid stupid stupid. We used to be a store it the mgm. Grand in las vegas and roger bomb. Who was frank l. bombs. Great grandson continues to write books in his mates movies and stuff gets his ivan. Ansari to count. I'm going to try and go back as far as ken. Let me see if i can make a relationship to him but anyway he he works great books when you buy one. We've bought a tunnel Gop buddies in rate is very personalized notes to whoever it was for. His is a story about dorothy house. And i don't know she's looking. You're wondering i am and you know what those are. Great great great gets there honest to goodness. I mean if you want a alright. One fauria and robin. I'll i'll sign your book as the you took permanent Portland i think the only thing i got into bloody benders barely i've decided i'm now rebate great great grandnephew of frank l. bound. Oh my god how cool go hand disprove it go ahead and disprove it a dairy why this whole thing on ancestry dot com in. You did. yeah. I mean my my family's ah so what i found out that one of my good friends lives in washington now to utah. She and my husband her cousins like third cousins in. She connected me with all. Because i put. I posted a picture on facebook of somebody that her grandmother used to live with lived with his family. Anyway she gave you this whole list of all these people that that rob is related to its amazing. My husband's related to henry. The eighth rock obama. He's related to tom. Hanks all you probably are really pro. You know what we'll say. I am from now on. I'm just gonna say yes to that question all right. So why are you bring us home on that on that melted jason. His related Permanent may be on the next podcast. We could talk about I was thinking about private label. Because i don't know if you heard but target posted like crazy numbers on their private label and they're one of several large companies that we know made a huge vested in all these big companies are trying They've seemed to be very successful. So i be interested to get your thoughts on that for the next much. That and let's you personal phrasing altogether on so two things get in. Because i know that. Georgina and i you be highly opinionated. Personal pricing says good interesting things all right everybody. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the retail adventures podcast with kaiser vendor and bam. It's been a pleasure as always and we'll see you on the next one. Be sure to download us. Everywhere podcasts scribe.

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Ruth Wilson Plays Her Own Grandmother In A Searing 'Mrs. Wilson'

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Ruth Wilson Plays Her Own Grandmother In A Searing 'Mrs. Wilson'

"Uh-huh. I'm Jay sleigh cop. And you're listening to masterpiece studio Allison Wilson believed. She knew everything about her husband Alec with a home of their own two sons, they had settled into a routine if loving existence together, but when Alec unexpectedly dies Alison soon discovers there's far more to their marriage than she ever suspected how come. I'm exhausted Wilson. Yes. He was his landlady. No, I'm his wife. He says Wilson, listen, listen. You're right. Oh, you Gladys Wilson. I'm Alex wife. There's more than one MRs Wilson several more it seems and her secret agent husband has been keeping more than his fair share of secrets throughout their two decades of marriage. My what? Somebody don't mean she trust me. She's gonna leave me. She went actually leave you. Sure. She went said, I I wouldn't actor Ruth Wilson. Who plays? Allison knows this story all too. Well, MRs Wilson's the story of her own grandmother. And it's one she and her family are still sorting through all these years later every time we talked about the story in any one of us in the family. Did we keep getting amazing response from people, and we never got bored of telling it people have got bored of hearing it we kept finding out new things Wilson joins us for a look at her complicated. But true family story what it's like to play the sec- Pathak Alice Morgan on Luther and at her upcoming turn in a new Broadway. Production of Shakespeare's, King Lear. And this week we are joined by MRs Wilson star and executive producer Ruth Wilson. Welcome. Thank you. Mrs Wilson tells the story of your grandparents Allison and Alexander Wilson as early as two thousand twelve there were reports you are considering making a film based on their lives. What did it take to bring it to the screen? A lot of talking and patience. I think I mean, I I found out about the story. Ten fifteen years ago, the foot extensive it, and I've been talking to people Edison's industry about it. So it was one of those things that I never knew would actually become a reality. But eventually in the last three years, I suppose meeting with Ruth kenley. Let's who exact produced it alongside Neil Blair. And then of course, when an assignment was aboard the writer, and then the BBC green lit it. Then it became a reality and very quickly it sort of came to fruition. So willing the last three years, that's what became reality. But I've been talking to people about it. And I've been mentioning it and contemplating your idea just you needed more than just me and needed those other people to believe in it and think that it was a project, you know, worth while making. In looking back. What were those conversations like with your grandmother? How did she approach the subject of her life with Alec to you as a young woman? She never talked about it. I mean, I like I never knew him. He died way before I was born. I mean, I found a photo of him in my dad's chest of drawers, and I was so sneaking around, and I found this picture of this, man. I asked my dad who is this. And he said, oh, that's my dad, and that was all that was ever said, and those kind of energy, not my family that we just don't ask questions, and it was the norm that I only had three grandparents, and of course, when my grandmother gave us the first part of her memoir, she was still alive, and that was all about her life growing up and meeting Alec falling in love with him. And then finding out about his betrayal. So even then when we knew she was alive. There was still energy. You know? Assumption that we wouldn't Oskar questions says, very odd. That's a very British thing. I think it's also very generational thing that my dad had never also questions, and we to his grandchildren didn't feel we could either her memoir was kind of her answer. And that's what we heard then when she died. She gave us the second part of her memoir. And we also started finding out more about my grandfather. From other sources starts when we found out the extent of how many wives he had what his work wasn't intelligence. It wasn't until she died that we found out more and were able to discuss it actually more freely. Once she died was there any trepidation on your part or indeed your family's about adapting this very deeply personal story yet there was huge trepidation. But I think essentially every time I we talked about the story in any one of us in the family did. We keep getting amazing response from people. We never got bored of telling it people never got bored of hearing, it we kept finding out new things and strangely. It became kind of funny and absurd the story itself and not unified us as a family, those amazing positive energy that we'd found each other. Eventually and connected. A my dad found these Hof brothers and half sisters on that they shed things in common light creativity and storytelling and poetry. And and it suddenly was something positive to share and to celebrate. And I think that the story was so extraordinary. You know, it's just essentially Rulli good stories at any doubts. We had about telling it because it's a personal story kind of overshadowed by how extraordinary the story is. And that any when you told was fascinated by it, and for me in February and the family that was indication that you could tell as a drama, and it would work and that was worth telling a story. Because it's so extraordinary. You wouldn't believe if it was fiction. So I think there was an element of you have to tell the story at so mad, and we all felt quite comfortable in that way that would found each other with the best out of it was each other. There was no money to find over. There was nothing. The in those not respect that was going to be an issue. But yeah, it's deeply personal. It's putting ourselves out there at putting people on the screen in my family. It's my dad, and my uncle my grandmother, other people's parents. So there was concern to sort of get that right and to serve each and everyone story in a truthful and honest way. You told the guardian quote, it would actually be more exposing to make documentary. What did you mean by that exactly that there'd have to be inherent judgments made about Alec? Yeah. I think so well from my own point of view, I'd have to say on the screen as myself and talk about my relationship with my father, and my grandfather, and my grandmother which. I didn't really want to do. I think the something interesting in fiction, and certainly what's interesting about this story is my grandfather lived in fiction. My grandmother wrote this memoir, there's a there's a huge creative strand in my family. So the guide to making a drama out of it felt more apt in some way at felt like the perfect way to conceive and imagine who my grandfather was what is my grandmother wasn't her own experience. And I think in some ways fiction can get closer to the truth. You know, we can like imagine those scenes we can put them on the screen. We let the audience sort of go there and imagine what Alec was doing an India or the scenario between Allison Dorothy, we can put that on the screen. So I think I felt more comfortable in drama. And I thought it was just an incredible story. It would be a shame not to dramatize it. The British press had a lot of fun asking you how strange it was birth to your dad on screen was it as surrealist they're they're making it out to be a bit surreal. The whole thing was surreal. I mean, you know, costing Nigel and golden who you know, that my dad, and my uncle it was it was always a wit at always catch myself in moments thinking, this is so absurd. Every time. The clapperboard win though was MRs Wilson written on it and just knowing that's my family story being told was amazing. It was like, wow this actually happening, but was a completely absurd. And look how many people are working to create to tell the story this is absurd. And he's in the service hymns. Founded the country that was very patriotic was used to make Stanford national. I was wondering if I might say if you about my father's work. Well, he went to the foreign office. It's what is writing, of course, twenty unpublished novels. But yet the way is thing about the whole experience was play. My grandmother did feel quite out of forty in moments because I found out control in some of those scenes as you can see me my next really tie on finding it hard to breathe, and those an energy that was going through me that I had no control over, and I do feel you know, spiritual. That was kinda my grandmother flowing through me or have certainly holding something for her and walking in her shoes through the story. And I I do think that was quite profound, and I probably haven't processed it entirely yet. But it was an exhausting, and and very deeply off experience if not profound and a deep privilege, you know, getting to dig into. My grandmother in that way and understands her in that way. Yeah. So it was it was not just absurd website moments Pluto, so very spiritual. It's significant to me and likely to the work itself that the title here is MRs Wilson and not Alexander Wilson. Why was it? Vital that our perspective here is Allison's. Yeah. I mean, I always felt that when I told the story to people they were often very kind of excited and astonished by my grandfather, and he was often the talk of the, you know, any response about the peace. And the thing was that. We never had all the answers about him. He's always remained a man of mystery amongst the family has become a constructive. People's memories. We don't have any written piece about him. We have his own books, but we don't really have any personal account from him. And we had this really emotional beautifully written personal count from my grandmother, which was a blueprint of what it was like to be a woman left behind by this man woman who could never find out the truth. He was left in the unknown and had to kind of find some form of faith either in him or something else. And that for me was the most powerful part of the whole story. It was about the women that he had touched and had loved but also had betrayed and the families and the kind of consequences for the families generation -ly, and essentially he is a man of mystery. And we don't know. So let's leave it like that. There's an intensity to your performance here. That's very hard to watch. But harder to look away from there's the scene in the first episode where Allison is silently scrubbing the kitchen floor. You're no stranger to portraying grief on screen is it difficult to embody that sense of loss. And heartbreak. Yeah. I mean, anything you've got deep. Psychosis. An motions is really draining an exhausting, and I knew this job was going to be particularly hard because it was not just the deep sort of. Rivers of emotion that have to go through. But it was also shouldering the burden of these characters in this particular personal story and everyone else's family. All the other family members that I had to feel responsible for as well. And so I think there was that was probably added energy that was running through the show as well morning through the screen, but yet, it's hard work exhausting. And you know, that's why I go into other jobs which on so much like that. You know, I play all the characters. Like, I mean, I find Morgan incredibly easy to play widdly because she has no consciousness, and I and she hasn't burdened by set of suffering. Komen. Sage you. We won't arrive skit today. Nothing. Nothing much you type every word you add nothing you leave nothing. Nothing. Major wilson. Can I ask you about your books? You could. It's very interesting. I just sit at my typewriter make things up is this Alec merely being charming, or is it a telling clue to his psychology that if I would think, you know, it's like, I think that's the cleverness of that line in a way people that tell truths in that Chom, and you can't tell the way what he's saying. And I think. He knows what hard without character because essentially in the page he doesn't actually feature much in England amazing job of walking up very fine line. I mean, if you had pitched him too much as a CAD, we just wouldn't have any sympathy for listen, you know, so that you had to walk a very fine line of this man being completely seemingly genuine, and I always felt that he must the must be something in him that women kinda felt they had a huge intimacy with him in some way, they must have believed women fell in love with him. And it could have been his charm. I think these women that fell in love with him were clever, and they were sophisticated and they would deep feelers and thinkers, and so I think that he must have connected on a level which was incredibly intimate. And I think it was really important for us to get that across this wasn't just women falling some cads knees. This was a very complex. I'm probably conflict. Gated man that women were attracted to and felt they had some relationship with. That was always a fine. I in the writing when we were trying to work out him we had too much in what he might be like an what might best serve the story. One of the scenes that I love most is when Alison slips on Alex robe and opens it only for Alec to close the road, very gently. It's Alison who then takes control throwing off the robe. What is this scene say about Allison sense of agency within their relationship? Yes is really important point. Because we, you know, the the memoir that my grandmother was much more passive in some way, she vote herself as being slightly more victimized. I mean, she definitely acknowledged denial. But I think she has Moore's victim, generally. I was always like there's no way she choose told him. She says in the memoir, she was told by various people that he wasn't good for her. She was warned about him and she had doubts about him. And she mentioned this. So I was always very intent that we had to make Allison's of complicit in the denial. She's not a victim. She wants to believe what he says. Is she is wanting to look to believe in someone on something. And I always had this feeling that he was that person that she was looking to believe in no matter what in the writing process, we changed the character Allison slightly to make much more active, and it happens. Not only in that sense. Very early on indication of her, sir. Desire to. You know, she's not going to be a victim. She wants to take control and wants to own the the situation, but you see that throughout the show that she's the one offs can question. She's looking for truth. She's looking for the answers and she's on a mission. And that we had to have that if we made her to passive, you wouldn't enjoy watching her, you know, and I think we had to kind of keep her on the move to keep her in search of truth in search of like something to believe in. You Incheon victim hood Dennis Alex's son from his marriage to Gladys played by Patrick Kennedy comes to the house, and there's a haunting sense of symmetry here the way that both of these people both these families are in some way, Alex victims. He's been living with me twenty years. What did you think he was doing? We're okay. Living in digs debts had said. How you did? We did he said money visited never missed the birthday. I'm sorry. What right. Do you have coming? He lived with us. He loved us. Why would you just leave me a known? What was it like filming this scene with Patrick Kennedy? Yeah, he was brilliant. He was so so sensitive again, everyone involved in the whole show was incredibly sensitive to the material into the people. They were betraying or lighting all designing everyone was so sensitive and compassionate and Patrick was amazing. He phone Dennis Oppy talked about it. And he's just such a gentle energy, which Dennis also has. And I think it was true. I mean, they met you know, they met to organize the funeral and Dennis always said that he wished he could have seen Allison more. He did ask to see her again like his played out in the drama. And she said, no. And they were the same age, you know, comes across in the show as well. They were the same age. And he just said, she seems such a nice woman, and I wish. I could have got to know her better. But she refused anymore contact. So I think Patrick did a brilliant job of that of that sort of sense of compassion for lesson. An understanding of the situation. That visit from Dennis leads to Alison forging decree absolute in order to invalidate gladys's claim. What drives her to commit this active desperation? She's constantly refusing to accept what's been put in front of her. She's created a life with this man and built Bill a life with this man around this man round this family and constructed a truth that she's believed in despite people's telling our no despite her doubts. I mean, I think what's so interesting row. The character Allison is that you know, she's as you see it played out. She has many doubts about him and about their relationship, and she's just dug deeper and deeper and deeper into the kind of false life. They've created for each other and the denial, and so I think that takes a long time to break she wants to have faith in this, man. She wants to hold on to who this man is and she will keep digging deeper and deeper into her denial in order to prove that, and as you know, she's broken by in the end, and she has to give in in the end and let go. So I think that's what was this. The star of many of those moments that she is willing to go to extremes to protect us sons, but also protect that sort of world that she has created because what does it mean without it's it's frightening. And it means you gotta face everything that you've been denying for so long, and that could be the destruction of your family destruction of everything that, you know. So I think this huge stakes for her to maintain an also if people find out that she's illegitimate her marriage is illegitimate. She gets is no pension as nothing it's shameful. This huge stakes that time for women, you know, to for for that truth to come out would have been an enormous issue. So I think many things at play, but psychologically ourselves I think, you know, to pull a life apart unto except putting apart was very hard before this next question. A brief word from our sponsors. Saint Petersburg's Hermitage Moscow's Red Square. Golden ring towns Viking dedicated to bringing travelers closer to the real Russia along the waterways of the SARS offering a small ship experience with short excursion included in every port. Discover more at Viking cruises dot com. We meet Alex second wife. Former actress Dorothy Wilson play by Keeley Hawes. There's a beautiful moment of reversal on Dorothy, his doorstep and steps into gladys's role the wife knocking on the door of the other woman. Did you feel that sense in the scene as you were shooting it? Yes, that was always the intention with scene was that we can see that confrontation played out in a different way. And that it's again these women on these doorsteps, it sort of brutal and harsh reality and desperate. And that you see that. I don't even know if Alison in the moment were recognizes that she's become Gladys in some way. Mrs nosy. I just wouldn't I want to talk to you. Invites to my husband's feed, at least you can do to my questions, but that was food for the watcher the viewer. It was to sort of identify that this is repeating pattern. That's happened. And Alec has done this to all these women or he's created. This desperation all these women, and is unknowable, you know, he's an noble quantity that they have not yet sort of looking for two searching for some answers. What stops Allison from telling Dorothy son, Mike, the truth about his father that he didn't die at El Alamein in nineteen forty two when she runs into him and the road outside Dorothy house. I just think it's like with all the women that don't wanna destroy the image of the this man their father. I mean that was definitely my grandmother's running theme throughout her memoir was that she didn't want to destroy the image of their father. They didn't want to destroy their kind of memory and the love of their father and their faith in their father. So she in the same way the same reason why she kept the secret. I mean in reality. She didn't tell her sons the truth and till they were in their fifties. And they had families of their own and. And died way before and I think how reasoning for that was that they were in a place. They could understand they had distanced from it and could deal with it. But our and still had fond memories of him is very interesting each of the women and his wife think that the most of been true love or an a form of intimacy and love that was very connected between Alec in his various wives was because each of them wanted to maintain that son's image of him. And all of the sons all of the children of have very fond memories of him. They talk about him being a great father, someone that's totes wild stories was full of humor, and charisma and taught them great values of how to be a good human being and taught them faith. And so I think it's really fascinating that we want to get that across. And that came through the women as much as it came through. So there's the storytelling generally knew how to pick the Dalek, but it came through that desire to maintain for their sons, essentially this man was that they didn't destroy the image of their father. It's now two thousand nineteen a has there been any forward movement in terms of getting the foreign office to release? Alexander Wilson's file, which had been deemed security sensitive last year. No, not really we've been pestering them for a while. And we we passed them before the show, and they probably even more like reluctant now and other shows going out, but we'll keep going and this this haven't used that. We haven't tried yet. I am interested in finding out the real truth. But I I think also if we never do it's probably okay as well. I feel like the that's the whole point of the drama in a way that we may never know truth. Wait, never know the full truth. And we haven't got control over finding out. And that's life in Ireland, and how do you become one without and find acceptance with an what my grandmother Alison story in the dramas about about funding acceptance with the unknown. True or false as child you tried to sneak into Shepperton studios. That's true. I live on the corner. So we it was always exciting when you had so west alone or someone I think he was doing judge Dredd actually, and we try to sneak in dig it in and didn't see anything never saw a famous person ever. Even though I lived there for twenty years, your first major role was as the title character in Jane Eyre, Toby Stevens is Rochester nine months after leaving Lambda where you daunted at all at the time to be stepping into a role like Jane Eyre. Yeah. Yeah. Incredibly talented and very scared, and I hadn't done much camerawork, you know, literally, just come out of drama school and. I don't think it really hit me though. I'm someone that. I just plow into it from something's very scary. I don't really have time to think about just get on with the job until halfway through. And then I realized that she's a big deal. I remember having an interview session with those press. And I thought oh God this is actually quite big because she's a literary hero and heroine, and and it's been done a number times before and use 'em filling big shoes. So by had again, it was I kind of. I mean that whole experience was incredible. It was I was looked after by Evan BBC. And I was bitten in a blind panic all the way through I didn't really apartment much about it. And I just remember that like I would blush every I take because I was I one used to being looked at. And I kinda hated it. But it worked for John M I'm sure they use some of those takes. So I I it was. It was kind of deeply uncomfortable. Also, I just was so in a I was gonna blind panic zone. And they looked after men it was an extraordinary experience. Really? And I and I I learned an awful lot. I was very lucky you leaped into the case with a star making turn as my favorite television characters sociopathic physicist Alice Morgan in Luther what did you make of the character initially and the critical and audience reaction to the character. Yeah. I mean when I first, but I thought go this side much fun with his cancer. She read like a female Hannibal Lecter. And I thought I'd never had any female count to that before. And and then those interests Elbert, I just watched the wire, and I was in love with him. Like, hey, while this is I think fate is saying I should do this job. And I just I think we'd never expected the show to be that successful. It was fun to do. And it was great. And what a great. Lost that first season and Indira Varma, Paul Mcgann, and also, and so we just wanted of fun with it. And then when it went out it was huge kind of real cult TV. And I think that dynamic of Alice, and Luther was really unusual complete unique and been seen on screen before. And I think that that's why people were really engaged in it. You know, they loved that cat and mouse and between men and women, and I I didn't ever expect. That would be the case to be totally honest. I just thought it'd be really fun to play and who gets to do this so eight years to to doing it. I love playing her. She's as she's gotten a conscience. So you can really have fun with that while the count burdened. Yeah. Burdened by all sorts of emotional drama, and she doesn't have it. Nothing sticks much to her does she's violent and she's bad. And she. Does bad things. But there's a kind of lightness to it, which I really is a real relief playing her widdly. Sounds somebody's strange. But it is she does some very very bad things in this fifth season of Luther especially you return to your role as as Alice with a trademark watcher earlier this year, what was it like stepping back in into that role and sort of fulfilling many fans in in Nate desire that Alice was in fact alive. Yeah, I think that you know, I felt really to the phones to bring her back because they love so much, and I love playing her then I think that she hadn't really been. Finished off, you know away. So it was a joy coming back. You grew up with three brothers yourself described tomboy. You've also said quote as an actress, particularly you're treated as an idiot. They handle you with kid gloves. But they also treat you like a fool how do you strike back against that? When it happens, professionally it's hard because it's you know, you get better at it. I think as you get older new you got more experience than people respect, you'll work more. So you'll you'll voice naturally become such of most significant in the room. But it is it's hard. You know, I think one of the things you have to do is pick you work carefully. Your work has has to kind of Stanford self, and I don't think it's just women by the way that men get treated like fools, as well, you know, actors get treated levels. I mean, it's is to some extent foolish profession, and we just have to put makeup and Gunston there and say lines and. You know, you you're encouraged to sort of act like a fool, you know? You're you're told you get, you know, even a car in the morning driven pseudo cash, and you don't know where you're going. You get out of the car, you're given a coffee at, you know, things you're just treated like you don't really have any brain cells. And that you don't have any of your own. You have any ability to get yourself with anything yourself, so some actors Dr acting like. But I think the resistance, I think it's about if you if you maintain and build a career is an a body of work, which is reflective of you know, of of your beliefs, and cares and thoughts and passions than people. Start listening to you. We'll have your voice will be stronger in the room, but it is hard. In his dark materials or playing MRs Coulter, whom you called, quote, the cesspit of moral filth will be get to see more of MRs Coulter in her golden monkey in the adept pation than in Phillip Pullman novels. Yes, we will the N Philip has given license for Jackson to develop that character a bit more and see more of her because she kind of in the book, she floats in and out and certainly book to she's not really present very much, and they really wanted to set her up an antagonist to Lyra. So is it two women. It's mother and daughter who are sort of sparring and chasing each other. And so they've given license objectives Delvin and she sought a fascinating character. She really is. She's in the books, you never really understand their get to that may still be the case in our series. But with certainly going to sort of explore a bit more. You're now in rehearsals for these Sam goal directed Broadway. Production of King Lear where you play both the fool and cordelia. There's been a long debate between Shakespearean scholars about whether the roles of cordelia and the fool were written for the same actor to perform. How does the doubling here helped to serve the text? Yeah. It's really interesting. I mean, I think that it's not specified, obviously on the page. These two played by the same person. They never exist on the stage together, and as many references in the show itself that connect them the full is pining away off to cordelia when Cordilleras banished and at the end list says my pool fool is heightened when is lying dead in front of him having being hanged. There's lots of references, and you can pick them out within the peace. And I think it's just a really interesting double its that. Both the truth speakers or the both the people that try to tell the truth one. Does aunt very unsuccessfully. His daughter does very unsuccessfully, and she gets kicked out because of it the full being a man under sort of comic. Three riddles is able to sort of tell him truths. In a way that he considered except. And so it's it's a really interesting double to bring those two into focus. And I think it's quite moving because you see the relationship that once cordelia is gone. This of intimacy that you don't see in that first scene between Lear and cordelia is played out with the fool and Lear. And then when that is broken then cordelia comes back in and you see reconciliation, so I really hope that the sort of audience. Kind of connect the dots of bit. And they see the through line of these two characters. I mean, I'm not playing them as the same person. I'm not playing who Delia dressing up was the fool they are separate people. But I mean, there's something so much about this plan. So surreal, I think it's like Becket play. It's I get so mad, and everyone has many people in disguise playing other people not be oh being the Indus guys able to be their true selves. And so I think the something quite interesting in that as well. Perhaps a true self of cordelia comes out in the fool. Glenda Jackson is reprising. Her role is Lear. What is it like working with Glenda? She's familiar goal. And she's eighty two she's up the she's knows all her line. She's commanding the stage. She's funny and dry. And she's I mean, she's a the energy of that woman is truly inspiring and. You know, she's she's a very particularly. And I think that for me certainly playing the fool I sort of have to be on her wavelength and the two of us have to Spar, and I've really enjoyed the, and I can I can feel it it will become more as we get on stage, and we become free with each other. There's a real lovely language that we have. And I just I think she's amazing. And I think she's I what career she's hard to come back onto the stage after twenty five years of acting and to do King Lear. I mean, not strawberry. And for women at this. Danish. Do King Lear is amazing. So I'm really proud and grateful to be in that production watching her and working with her so closely alongside her. Finally, you said in an interview, quote, I'm a tragedy N in some way. What did you mean? Exactly. I mean, I did say that. Yeah. I think that's like something. I was saying this the diet. She I think it's an connects with my grandmother a bit is that. She was a woman he was had a an extraordinary sort of internal emotional unscathed that she never. Revealed to anyone she wrote it down in in her memoir, but she was someone that was sort of full of this emotion. And I think that I'm quite similar that I am not sort of why I've gone into acting as a way of expressing that stuff. That's inside me, and she did it through writing. And I have do it through acting. So don't if it's a tragedy, and as such, but it's just a search of I have a huge, emotional internal landscape. I think as most as a lot of people do, but I I sort of feel that I this an essential need for me to get out. And I do that through my work, and I'm lucky enough to have found an outlet for it. But I having you know studied, my grandmother read, all her passionate poems. And it was so extrordinary to me to understand the woman behind who. I knew I mean, I didn't she never saw in her. So to sort of see that she had listened side. Locked up was quite extraordinary to me and made sense of myself a bit Ruth Wilson. Thank you. So very much. Thank you. The story of Allison Wilson her family isn't over just yet and series writer, Anna Simon will bring her journalistic I to the story in special bonus episode of the podcast X Wednesday, but first unforgotten creator, head writer and executive producer. 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Why is So Much Money Moving to Miami?

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Why is So Much Money Moving to Miami?

"This podcast is supported by deloitte right now. The world is facing great uncertainty which makes it challenging to plan a path forward deloitte's evolving respond recover thrive collection can help it. Features perspectives from delights technology and industry leaders created to help executive stay current on economic shifts emerging issues and strategic options. The collection of articles and reports is updated daily. See and subscribe at deloitte dot com slash. Us slash covert hyphen nineteen Hi i'm cara swisher. And you're listening to sway. My guest today is miami. Mayor francis for swore has served as miami district commissioner before being elected mayor by a landslide in two thousand seventeen. Now he's running for re election and forging ahead with a plan to turn miami into the next silicon valley and while miami has gotten some new silicon valley transplants during the pandemic and the mayor has some loud booster like keith. Roy sherman pixar jemaah fatiha. It's unclear what power suarez has to transform. miami beyond his own city. Suarez angling to be a rising voice republican party just last week. He was spotted meeting with twenty twenty. Four presidential hopeful. Nikki haley at miami city hall. She was allegedly scouting him as a potential vice presidential pick. Welcome to the show. mayor suarez. Welcome to miami. Kerr thank you were here. Thank you. I was there. I enjoyed it. It was lovely. What a city it was so vibrant. Everything's going on and it looks a lot of. There's construction everywhere. Let's just spend a lotta time in traffic in southern florida which was very nice to one of our virtues. Yeah absolutely so. Do you think you make a good vice presidential candidate to. I think i would make a good vice presidential candidate. Sure why not. Yes oh tell me why well. Being a mayor of a big city is incredibly dynamic and challenging executive role. Young energetic. And i think miami is a good representation of what the country is and will be explained that why. Why is that because we're incredibly diverse We're a city of immigrants. And we are a place where i think. In the future a people will congregate to create not just yesterday's companies but tomorrow's company. So i think it's a bastion of what the future will look like so. Tell us about your meeting with nikki. Haley what was the reason for that. Just visiting she called and we connected and basically was talking about miami miami succeeding when other cities are struggling. We did not talk about any presidential ambitions. She may have. We did not talk about vice president. So i find it interesting that that became a topic of conversation after the break. That was that you who leaked that. There wasn't me okay. All right like the song says it wasn't me what's not a secret that she's scouting running mates so you didn't imagine that was why she came to visit you or i don't know what her reasons you can ask her what her reasons are. But i certainly was not shy about wanting to build a bond and a relationship with her. I think she someone who has distinguished herself. As a governor of state she was a you know obviously ambassador to the united nations. I'm so she has local executive experience international policy experience and diplomatic experience for foreign policy. Credential so i think she's very very credential than someone who people should keep an eye on for sure. Okay so of nikki. Haley asks you to be vice president. Your answer is what. Am i supposed to say that question. Yes or no i. I wouldn't say no. I don't think i would say no to anybody asking me. I guess i would say no some people asking who would say oh. Why are you gonna ask me that. We're trying to get in trouble and not trying to get you because because then we all it takes is all about getting people in trouble on an interview. would you. y'all pretty well. You guys ask trouble. Listen i think the world of her. I think she would make an excellent candidate thinks she has executive experience foreign policy experience. And i you know if she were to make it and be a nominee and she asked me. I probably would take us beyond that. I can tell you the jobs that i'm not interested. I'm not interested in me a congressman. I have a lot of respect for people who have to campaign every two years and go to washington particularly in florida where it's constantly flip-flopping. I don't particularly want to be a senator and another executive position like running for governor. That would be something that could interest me and then of course you know running for president or vice president something that i don't know how many people grow up thinking about that. I certainly didn't. There's some people that grew up in their kids that want to be present two years old. I never thought of that actually didn't really get into politics or decided. I wanted to be in politics until very late in life i would say. Let's be clear you'd come from a political family. Do and that didn't persuade me to get into politics. I can tell you that much. My dad was the first cuban mayor miami. He was mayor for a few terms until ninety three and then came back briefly in ninety seven and then became a county commissioner leader. Okay so miami. Mayor office is technically nonpartisan. But you've been a registered republican since you were eighteen. Talk about what drew you to the party. Besides your dad. Who was also republican. Yeah my dad actually has been a democrat or republican and independent at one point in his life so he someone who is a free thinker for me. I started when i was eighteen. When i was young. I admired president reagan. I believe in limited government. I believe that you shouldn't tax people any more than you need to. I feel that We should balance our budgets. I believe in strong national defense so those are issues that i believe in at the time and still believe in frankly. I'm not a huge fan of the whole false narrative of lake you're republican or you're a democrat and therefore you must xyz abc. I think we've we've allowed ourselves as a society to pigeonhole each other. And so the the best thing is hey. Let's which category you. Who did you vote for in the last election. You're in a category now. What part are you. Okay you're in any category. And i think it's an over simplification of life and i think it's done for someone nefarious reasons. I guess which is two for control and for money and power right right. So you're part of a larger also latino presence in the republican party on the national level. There was a lot of talk about the so called. The tina vote in twenty twenty. Of course latinas. Not a monolith. Most did vote for biden but in many states including florida latinos help trump win in that state. So what does that mean for the gop. going forward. In the case of south. Florida and contrasting. Maybe with what's happening and other hispanic communities across the united states you have many hispanic community that are fleeing countries and so the president to his credit spent a lot of time in south florida. I'm edition right. So he was caught sowing the seeds. Or whatever you wanna call it. But he took both positions of venezuela led coalition of leaders to recognize one guy. I'm obviously his policies in cuba appealed particularly to cubans. And i think this is where there was a little bit of a shift. Obama had sort of badeah rated cubans allot and sort of empowered. The other side of that argument from the obama opening up cuba. But let me push back up. President trump was fearmongering. He falsely linked biden juban venezuela. The it was a lot of fear of socialism and playing into those anti-communist feelings. Sure i'm not saying that. That wasn't a political tactic. When i'm saying is that he came down. He understood the issue the issue and of course he used the issue right. Which is what you're saying and that was effective so if you ask the question after the fact why wasn't monolithic right. Why was those particular hispanic groups supporting him. You have to dig into those issues and understand that right to bring assume more people to republican party but again let me ask a lot of the republican party staunchly anti immigration how are republicans from immigrant communities supposed to square that. How do you. I mean obviously your parents. I think it's a mistake to be anti immigrant. i think mistake on a multitude of love first of all. I don't think the way it's being talked about. It's it's being talked about in a healthy way. I was actually discussion with somebody yesterday. It's either completely open borders or completely closed borders and nobody's really talking about the nuances of the issue and no one's talking about my opinion in the context of the most important factor. Which is the economy right. So so the first issue is you've got eleven million people here right or whatever. They are whatever. The number is now. We don't know where they are. We don't know who they are and that's not good. That's not healthy that's unhealthy for anyone. That's not good for the country. That's not good for them. So there has to be a way path to legalize was people. Then you have to confront issue of the people who are trying to come here. And i think you do that instead of against saying control. The border like all got you know. Okay wait a second. We're only allowing million legal immigrants a year. why we triple. Why don't we find. What is the right balance. And why don't we look at our economy for instruction pre pandemic where three point five percent unemployment. I mean that is like zero and you have people that are doing three jobs right and you're having people have a hard time finding a job you know. We talk a lot about for temple. Minimum wages living wage their restaurants here in miami that cannot hire people at seventy eight thousand nine hundred dollars an hour. They can't find work workers and the beauty of our countries. You can be an immigrant. Come to this country with nothing like my parents did. And your your son can be the mayor of miami. His son could be the mayor of miami. You know it's a beautiful thing. So i'm a little lost so when you're saying it's a beautiful thing i your lost on it but this is the republican party today right now. Yeah so okay. How is that going to happen. I don't know if it's going to change but it should change hasa change. I think if they wanna win elections it has to change. If people wanna win an election you have to convince people of the wisdom of your and this is an issue that i don't think frankly be partisan because i don't think immigration is a party issue but whatever it is right let's be honest. I just feel that you've got to embrace the most number of issues that appeared the most number of people that politics one. And i think this is an issue that republicans have frankly seated for reasons that are beyond me and i think that they have an opportunity if they elect the right kind of leaders choose are kind of leaders to bring the issue back into the fold and make it a winning issue as opposed to losing issue but ultimately it's a losing it does work biden. That was the one low poll in the washington. Post said biden was vulnerable on immigration. But he won right. So where do you see the party going next. Then think about that. Here's your wing. And then there's liz cheney wing and there's sort of the traditional republicans and then there's sort of the new republicans i think like yourself. You're very public in your frustrations with president trump and you didn't vote for him neither in two thousand and sixteen or twenty twenty. Which is a sacrilege was in the republican party. Right now And and nikki. Haley certainly has gone back and forth. She seems to pivot around. Because i think she gets nervous. When she says something out of line How do you get the influence of trump. The party look he has been platform. And i think that's steve platform too tech people. He's been the platform. And i think i heard you in one ear. Last podcast talking about his influence has waned. And i think that's a fair a fair statement. And i think over time has influence will continue to wayne to some extent. I don't know what he's gonna end up doing ultimately doing. And i think people we move on you know what i mean and then you have to move by the way. It's it's not just a truck thing. It's a generational thing. The next person who runs them becomes president. I believe after. Joe biden is going to be someone from my generation or from. See your forty-three my generation. Yeah so certainly not from that generation. That's put it that way. And so i think that presents a lot of opportunities for people to reassess and say what do we want to go. That's number one number two this and i. I don't underestimate personality in politics. Personality in politics is a very powerful thing for good alphabet right and so i think having a leader that's compelling having someone that can convince people of vision having someone that can articulate the reasons why you should follow certain course of action that can be very compelling so you don't believe not voting for trump and being very explicit about. It was going to be a problem for you on the national stage. I have no idea. I don't think of it in that context. I think of it. As being honest about what i did and franken. We'll see what how i don't know. I remember run for nonpartisan racist my entire career. Since i was a started in politics and by the way that could end up being what makes me not have a person career so i don't know what the path looks like for someone like that on a national level. But i'm not. I don't think i'm gonna deviate from that because that's why i am and i don't think it's going to be positive for me to deviate for that so we're talking about the big contenders for twenty twenty four. There's there's an undeniable enthusiasm for florida governor onto santa's and the republican party. Some are speculating. He'd be the next trump and to santa's is kind of your frienemie. I think you're both republicans but throughout the pandemic you've had public battles on topics like mask mandates seeking economy open to santa's passed a series of executive orders to stop enforcing code restrictions. That you were trying to do. How do you think he handle the pandemic. And how did you think about it. I think he took some chances from risks some of which panned out for him. I think he started off giving us a lot of latitude when i say us. I mean local governments a lot of latitude and then he stopped abruptly and i think that was a mistake and told them that you know and and that's where we clashed if you will. I feel that you can't treat the state equally. 'cause it's not i mean. Miami is a dentist city in the state by long shot and so on the mask mandate for example. He didn't agree with that. I don't think i'm sure was hammer. Has people around him. You know this is. Somebody didn't like my candor on national television you know. And so that sorta affected the relationship and the communication which is kinda sad because frankly need to communicate. You don't always have to agree but you need to communicate. And i don't have any ill will towards him If you call me tomorrow on one of my advice or wanted to talk to me about an issue at pick up his car and talk to him tomorrow so but you another florida mayors is not just you said the disasters was avoiding talking to you. Is he still refusing calls. What is your relationship with. The governor was the last time you spoke. I haven't tried to calm in a while. There was a moment in time. I think right after that the disagreement where communication stop. They called a couple times and couldn't get through and then determine trying you know after wall and you said he took a risk and it worked out for him. Because the florida's unemployed lower death rates were similar to the national average. So was that right in the end. Or i'll say this yeah. I think he could argue that. It was and i think he can make a compelling argument and i think we also part of this migration from new york and from silicon valley was in part due to that decision right. I mean have to be honest about it. And the epidemic. Scientists will tell you understand what job you got to close everything all the time. The public policy decision maker needs to balance that with look on the one hand. If you shut everything down you probably have a better chance of avoiding this but you also create this. And i think there wasn't enough discussion about what you create a when you do this. Which is a lot of devastation. You are spotted endures without a mask. What do you say to critics who might say that. Your stance against the santa's was performative nor was spotted indoors without outdoors. I was sitting at my table. Which i was a supposed to wear masks women sitting a table table for and somebody came to take a picture with i stood up. I should have put my mask on right to take the picture. And i didn't put my mask under. What's whatever the point is. That was wrong. Should have done actually done it. Look i made a mistake. And i don't think it was the only time it was a couple of times that the second time was it was my parents anniversary. Yes family endures you. We were sitting at a table of ten. Okay and then. I got up with my family. Is my parents forty something year anniversary and we stood behind to take a picture you know. Sometimes the rules don't make sense for every situation. Let somebody short did get a lot of politicians caught in this kind of performative. What's going on here. Got you think the media loves to you know. We have to put some blame there. There's some excitement to oh got you. Look this guy and look everything that we will make people happy and we made people upset when when i when i put a mask in public group people that were not happy about it so while vaccine uptake in south florida is on par with the national average of about forty percent. Experts are saying it seems to be slowing down. What are you doing to combat hesitancy misinformation in miami itself. Though what are you doing now. I think the fact that we're vaccinating at the rate that we are is extremely comforting. Now everybody of accident at all ages obviously all adults and. I think that that's something that we have to keep messaging. I'm about to get my second shot in the next week. And i did it very publicly. Obviously i was the second person. Get cove and indeed count. That's right you got covered yourself. Yeah right and so. That was an interesting experience for me and sharing that experience with a public so doing very well. 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It's probably because it means national headlines in two thousand eighteen when a congressional race was thrown out due to election fraud but in bleeding. Some people think the authorities got it all wrong. They say there's a powerful group still at work in the county tampering with elections bullying voters stealing votes. The story behind that one election the only time in recent history that a congressional election was thrown out for fraud is actually the story of a series of election. Freight's fueled by personal grudges and petty beefs family history and history history and it's about the oldest fight of all the fight for the black vote. It was almost like they realized that we weren't done like okay. They smart i'm zoe chase. Host of the improvement association from the makers of cereal and the new york times told him five carps. Find it wherever we get your podcasts. Let's get into tech. I'm trying to figure out what's going on here. So your city has become a haven for seven tech froze during the pandemic. Brett's fairwinds right. That's true fair lewis. You're right so you're welcome with open arms. And you wanna make miami the next big tech hub. But why is it. A goal of yours to make miami at tech hub. It should be a goal. Every city shouldn't be a goal of the city of miami. It should go every city in the world not in the country in the world to create a tech ecosystem. Why everything that. We do is dominated by technology whether we like it whether we don't like it whether we think. The companies are responsible irresponsible with republican or democrat. All these other issues are legitimate issues about technology but the one issue that's indisputable is that it exists and that it will continue to dominate more and more our society and so for me. I have to create the kind of economy where everybody can be successful. And that means. Because i think the job tomorrow and jobs that are gonna be created jobs in tech and i'm less concerned about the companies that exists today the googles and the facebooks and the microsoft. And all that. I'm more concerned about the companies are going to be created tomorrow tomorrow. Tomorrow is google is not moved to miami. Neither has microsoft. Neither will no microsoft as actually microsoft is gonna take taken from their headquarters. I'm donna and i don't expect any of them. I don't think it's realistic to expect any of them to move a massive. But i don't think miami and the landscape really makes sense and that sense. That's not my goal. So tech leaders like key through boy. Peter thiel and others have already moved there. They opened founders fund branch. What is attracting people to your city. Because one of the things. I have to say is you're nice to them. And they're they're much aggrieved people. They feel the richest people in the world. Feel like they're the biggest victims often and it's exhausting to listen to them talk about that. That's my impression is that you pet them a little bit and that's something. They never hugged them. Or whatever is attracting these people to your city. What besides you being nice to them. I think that other reasons our quality of life is a big one. I think that there's a perception that some of these cities are taxing the residents too much. And i've even heard and say look. I don't mind necessarily pay more taxes. But if i felt like i was getting a return on my investment if homelessness was under control if crime was under control that maybe i would i would tolerate it but and then on top of everything else. We're the scourge of society. I think that's kind of a toxic mix for anybody frankly whether they're in tech and finance or whatever industry they're in and i do think we're creating a model that will be scaled and scalable and i think that is something that right. So what do you have. What is your pitch. That's homelessness is not a pinch. It's not what you are. What is the actual patch. I think the first thing we do is we reduce taxes to the lowest level. That we can. We don't have a city. Income tax won't have a property tax. Were growing like crazy. So there's a misperception my opinion that when you have a budget deficit you have to increase taxes. That's a solution to a budget deficit. Which is what new york is is doing. And then we put ourselves in a situation where now we can reduce taxes and still grow so it's sort of a counter intuitive thing but that's what we do that's number one number two is while other cities are defending their police. We have increased funding in our police and the third thing that we do is focus on quality of life. You know and i think when you look at the buffet of options of what you can do in a city. Miami is differentiating itself in ways. That i think is making an extremely competitive till you're saying sort of lifestyle is fun and cosmopolitan and And diverse you're saying taxes are lower. And there's not as much crime right okay. Linked in corporation just proprietary data on migration based on changes in workers profiles and its principal. Economists said there's definitely been a large percentage of increase in migration in miami from the san francisco bay area. Yeti says the total back and forth flow such people. And you look at. Who's leaving and who's coming between the bayer. In greater miami was less than one tenth on average between san francisco and say new york or los angeles or seattle It's certainly up and those municipalities have always attracted tech people those three in particular along with austin. You look at it as a gain just to be talking up miami or you're just getting the talks started because you hadn't been in the discussion. We hadn't been in discussion. There's no doubt about that. I mean so we we have. I think i'm just looking at she. Here talked about some of the companies that have moved. Softbank is investing one hundred million dollars in miami startups. I mean that is a huge accomplishment. I mean imagine you know we want to take that and create an innovation ecosystem that delivers for everyone. So you've also made a big push for crypto currency which is an interesting area crypto exchange. Teac says a deal with the miami heat arena which is now being called the fda that was he attributed to you the ceo. Why is crypto important to you. I saw an opportunity. And so i thought again going back to earth thesis of are we going to really get google and facebook and microsoft to come here or we're going to create the next set of those companies to me. The crypto industry was one where we could jump in head first and there wasn't competition so you'll sit with any silicon valley ceo. You'll meet the twitter. You're very accessible. You text back right away. Why do you make it so easy to meet with you. Are you worried about becoming a pushover. To some of these people. They liked to push always been very successful. I you know call it youthful exuberance call it energy call it naive eighty what i first ran for office in two thousand and nine. I actually would put on my mail out my cell phone number and it's so number that so i've always sort of prided myself on. That always felt that technology gives us an ability to be more accessible more transparent. Is there a danger in it. Sure you know what i mean. I think sometimes people try to use transparency against you. Try to beat you into certain situations and after be very careful with that in terms of the tech people having too much influence or to look. Politics is a billion dollar with forty five hundred employees and four labor unions. People trying to influence my decisions is not a new thing. You know what i mean. For twelve years of my life as a public servant people always trying to influence your decisions so whether if somebody gives me a check for two thousand dollars or two hundred dollars or twenty two hundred thousand dollars. It doesn't matter to me okay. We'll talk about that because you're getting a lot of money from tech investors. You have recent miami newcomer. John orange from shutterstock sure donated one hundred thousand dollars tomato. Probably how petillo. Who i know lives in palo alto or the area fifty killing fifty two hundred fifty thousand dollars fifty thousand dollars from cryptocurrency investor. Michael komansky Are you courting these figures or why do you think they're giving you the money. People tend to make connections. Like what are they want. Because you're meeting with all the bro and bro wets and they're giving you money for your reelection campaign. Do you worry about looking like their guy lying. The they don't have golota got on tech. You know that you get that right. I mean i think the same goals for construction. Look my now going to say. I'm not gonna take a dollar from anybody who's building anything in the city or it just you either. I mean look. Could i be a pure semi taking money from anybody short. But that's just not the way. The world works now campaigns. Didn't need to be funded if you need to get your message out there. Funding wasn't something that was an indication of the business. Community's ability vote for you right to express their preference for you because they can vote right in impersonal of live in the city than we live in a different system. And by the way. I'd be happy in that system. I have no problem with that system. I think i would be successful in that system. Because that'd be a system that relies more ideas and the ability articulate them but that's an unfortunate reality and politics and you just gotta deal with. Miami doesn't have the infrastructure to support a tech hub yet. There's no stanford there's no sandhill road. Your university just doesn't have a world class engineering school. And so what is your actual plan to make this real. Because i have not that is critical to to employees. You can't just have everybody matt. London breed coming there. That's really fair. So do you have the power to make this happen. And how do you get that to happen. So two points. The first about miami doesn't have a sand hill road. I think that's a little bit overblown. I kind of so we said twitter's my sandhill road. I think we've created a virtual san hill road. That's part of it but engineering school. I do think you're onto something there. And i have challenged all the university president sir three here. They've off gotten significant gifts in the last six months miami on data science center from the knightfoundation if i under stem new campus. That they're building and miami dade college on artificial intelligence from ibm do. I think that we need some competition. And do i think we need a stanford and mit or harvard. Absolutely absolutely. I'm not gonna sit here in tow that we don't am i talking to northeastern talking to stanford. Yes i'm talking to all of them. We need to change our reputation in this space tomorrow and the only way you can do that quickly i think wants to build up the already existing institutions. I think that takes a lot of time. i think the other way is to attract institutions that already have the reputation and that can be done quickly so a stanford branch in am correct. Okay so you've also said your priority is to cut taxes. Which by the way already lower in florida than in california new york if going to bring these people in any way one attacks them and use the money to solve problems in miami like this or like poverty for example. We don't believe in miami. That government is the answer to our problems. We don't believe that in the history of humanity government has ever proven to be a super effective solution driven model for solving social problems. I think the better thing is to get them to be philanthropic which they are already. Bean for example ken griffin. Who's not on the tech side but on the finance side who came down from citadel capital. They gave us dollars which we leveraged to a program called miami connect which creates opportunity for our children to be successful in this tech environment. That we're gonna find ourselves in and i think that is something we can leverage the private sector for. I don't believe the toxin model works. Because i think it just pushes those people as we've seen in in these other cities and we don't believe in bigger government in miami. We have big enough government in cuba and that didn't work for anybody. I think that created was equal misery. Okay but sometimes you just can't always rely on the kindness of strangers. Because that's what they are right now. They're they're they're moving to miami but let me say. Miami actually is the second worst metro in terms of income inequality If we use san francisco as an example in fighting the tech industry has led to rent inflation. Displacement gentrification let me just take one step back and say this. There's another fundamental misunderstanding. Were taxing people. Get you more resources. It kind of gets more resources in the short run but people leave you end up losing resources so this is where i think. New york is in a death spiral right. And what are they going to do to solve the budget deficit. They're going to tax people and that is going to create more people leaving. And what's going to happen next year. They're going to have a budget deficit. And what are they gonna do next year. They're gonna tax people again and so when you're getting these marginal tax rates there becomes a point where the system collapses the new york city has much better public services than miami that you did not giving people enough. Public services is the answer to not taxing people. Do they really. I would say not. But i mean the one thing they do have is more comprehensive public transportation system without a doubt but they're building two billion dollars a mile which to me is absurd when their companies that are doing it for ten million dollars a mile. So when you think about what. You're providing your city. Are you worried when you look at. Cities like san francisco brought tech in. That was listen. It was a very protect administration for decades. You know what. I mean Do you worry about what happened. In cities like san francisco with between the tech industry and the city overtime. No i don't worry when you look at the for example the cost of living differentials between miami and san francisco new york but one bedroom apartment unsubsidized mean. The government has not put a penny into the building in downtown miami. The visited when you were down here in omni. Fourteen hundred and fifty dollars unsubsidized. That same apartment in san francisco new york thirty five hundred dollars easily right so we have already. A huge cost of living benefit issue. Number two in terms of what portable housing is supply. New york is basically built. San francisco's basically built out. They have put all kinds of restrictions on development. We have the ability to grow in our physical landscape. So we're going to have supply into the very far foreseeable future which keeps prices low and the third thing is we have found a model through public private partnerships to build affordable housing climate change. Sea levels are flooding on the rise in miami. So what is your plan to. Slow that down How are you going to make sure that more development like you're talking about and growth doesn't make that worse for i think it's an extra central crisis for the world. We don't make decisions about these crises. We could have national security implications that are much greater than just you know adaptation problems rate. So i think we're talking about politics. The conversation has to change. Gotta stop being. Is this a man manmade thing or not and you know it's gotta be more of a look. We know this is happening. We see it happening. We have to understand the ramifications of happening which is a national security ramifications. I think makes it a little bit less political. Because i think what do republicans care about and you start talking about national security. They care about national security if you're talking about climate in the context of national security. It's like wait a second. I never really thought about that. Why would you talk about it in that context. Well you could argue. Why do you have to convince people about science a lot of the conference. It is an argument. And it's a one side saying it doesn't exist. This is life like semantics manner so he smells like it's hardest. Injecting blades just doesn't work. I agree it doesn't work sometimes. We have a role as leaders to d- partisan right to make it understandable. So that people start looking at different instead of looking at it like am. I gonna take bleach or not right. Let's look at it. As why do i need to solve this problem. Why is this so important. That i need to solve it and so for us. We see the problem very intimately with hurricanes we have much greater than usual frequency intensity and obviously we storm surge which is an issue for us. We have a with coleraine bombs which means more than usual intense rainfall. And we have what's called a dry day flooding. Which is that. We actually call it. A king tie flooding. When there's king tied we actually have a poor subsoil which is a benefit and a detriment and the water actually pulled from below so those are three problems that are that we see that we know why i feel confident about. It is two reasons. The first is in one thousand ninety two. My dad was mayor. Actually we had the most devastating hurricane. We've ever had at least in lifetime right which was hurricane. Andrew had one hundred. Mph plus wins it decimated florida's city like just shortly like in the wizard of oz blowing over. You know dorothy house and we decided at that time that we were going to change. And we're going to become the most wind resilient city on the planet so every single building just knocked on your window. Every single building has impact us right. so now. what's her. Charge is to be the most watery sitting sitting in the plan right so we have actually invested our residents at something that's unusual. We actually voted to tax ourselves. And i i. I agree with that in that context right because it's to build our infrastructure so we spent two hundred million dollars and we're going to leverage that hopefully with the american rescue plan and hopefully with state funding we've had a state legislature that although republican sees this as an economic threat and has actually been very responsive on this issue. We are not putting our head in the sand. And i would say that we're an again that's gonna possible but i'd say that we're the city most prepared certainly in the country in terms of the resources that we have the acknowledgement of the problem and the plan to solve it. So can you convince because all your legislature and also passing crazy rules on trans people all kinds of stuff. That is problematic. How do you look it a republican party. That does that in. You're going to be you want to be one of the standard bearers for that party. I think they're going to have to suffer the electoral consequences of what their policies are. And i think this last election was the first example that you found someone who i think you could easily characterize the president of current president. Someone who's a centre-left and someone who was normal and someone who articulated a vision that was not radical and he beat an incumbent president. And so i think that is something if we as a party because again i hate to talk about it in these terms. Well it's part of a party. It's a contract that everybody wants to talk about politics. And if as a party you want to govern and you wanna have an opportunity to create ideas and you have to listen you have to be reflective you have to understand that in some cases you cannot be as rigid on some of these issues and you have to be flexible and you have to understand the issue different. That's what i think. talking about. Sea level rise and climate change as a national security issue which it is is a way to reframe the discussion and get people. Understanding the discussion from your side of the perspective are on all sides. Okay i really imagery if you can be successful in the modern republican party but we'll see what happens and and thank you so much for taking this amount of time. I appreciate it. Thank you all right. A production of new york times opinion. It's produced by name. Raza likely shack eller. Bonnie matt khong daphne. Chen edited by name. Raza and polish shuman with original music by isaac jones mixing by eric gomez and fact checking by kate sinclair and michelle harris. Special thanks to shannon busta lille. He got in his fat verde. If you're in a podcast app already you know how to get your podcast so follow this one. 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"It was crafted have been sweat. Bed am not much. Hello and welcome to water. Crap ins podcasts. About all that crap. We just love talking about on yield bravo television. I'm ben manziel and joining me as wonderful and whole areas and lovable and if it weren't a pandemic huckabee'll ronnie What's going on ronnie alot being. Hey doing there buddy. i'm good. Well you're still huckabee. Also send you some hug emojis after this if i remember to saw sex life movies. Yeah i'll raise you that eggplant with an ample. I really but hey it's kovic sex. They'll peach peaches the for you're looking for. So how are you ronnie. How's your weekend. It was great loved. It had a great time did a lot of shopping indoors That's always just sort of plugging along over here. How's it going with you. Everything's great you know. I had a little hanukkah time on friday night. Made some lot goes got into the season and you know and our here. It's today is actually the date. Today is the twenty nine year anniversary of my bar mitzvah today. Wow i'm old. I'm brian fiennes next problem. Meyer next on that flakes one. Verse percentage of the. Us population gets bar mitzvah. I'll be played by james corden and well. No i guess. I couldn't be in it because i was twenty nine years ago. We'll maybe we'll make it that you knew me as a little kid too. Yeah played by james corden. Yeah i think that's what it should be. That like. And i like to my synagogue. And you're like whoa. It's a synagogue. I didn't know about this. And then they'll be a controversy. Because maybe you can convert to judaism in the controversy will be that. Oh wait but ronnie. You're not a jewish person playing someone who turns into a jew. How could that be. Will the controversy is going to the james fucking coordinates playing me. I'll be so mad. You want to see somebody pissed off. I will be pissed off. James corden member ablaze me. Yeah i don't know who's gonna play me on anything. But apparently it's going to be dave from the great british bake off. So what can i do. Well today. We have real housewives of potomac reunion part. Now we know it's a holiday season because it's hannukah you know. Yeah but it's also because it's a reunion. There's always a nice month long reunion to bring us into the holidays and you know what it was wasn't worth it. I'll jesus is up in heaven mike. It's all been worth it. Here's my gift to you a reunion. It was worth it. This is a great reunion episode of a super funny. I was a little concerned at first because it opened up there was a big pat like the the big segment that seems to have to do with nothing. That will get into a little bit and i was like. Oh are they patting this out. But no this was a this is a really good reunion episodes. Yes it was really good and it opens very dramatically as everyone's getting ready but it's like a super dramatic getting ready. I'm usually it's like. Hey been chicago the ball but this time it was very dramatic and it starts with karen going. We have broken each other this year. Talk to god knew what you have to do this. Yeah and candice shows up in a sweatshirt that says over it which is so candidates to wear such a bratty sweatshirt. like i can't stand those types of sweatshirts over it over it. I'm like you're not. You're wearing a sweatshirt your broadcasting in which means you're not over it and the lady at the front desk is like are you expect. Are you experiencing any flu-like symptoms and kansas just starts waving her finger at the lady and she's like just extreme anxiety but that is not coping related them. The woman's like i didn't ask about anxiety are you. Do you have a fever. Are you going to make me sick. Yeah the front. that's what he's like. I'm on t. Mony team monday. I gave her the binder. I gave her the tabs serfs gave those color coordinated inserts so then andy checks on everyone and he sees chris samuels puts his elbow out for a little elbow dopp and then moments later. He's transported to the hospital after his arms. You know basically knocked off by chris little thinking his of os crushed to death. Giselle is giving wendy some advice. She's like your first reunion. Na the name of the game is the first curve before someone else can hopes to sell the not quite. Take that advice this episode. So then ambi goes to check on his al and he's like zell who you wardrobe pass. The caring tasks like karen is an interesting percent. Not she's obsessed by the way we also mention that money brought to challenge to the reunion and a child was backstage. Just because why not why to talk to challa there and then karen says You talk about me behind my back because you're afraid to give me an opportunity to talk directly because you know i have a response for you. What are you saying. Could you just say to sell your what. I have to say no. Let's carried. Campus is in her makeup chair watching clips of monique saying that. She's not remorseful and kansas. Like i cannot wrap my mind around this. Anti i just cannot and then we go to monique's room and she's like i brought the puck for seats. Call me the county. Yeah everyone has a tab. Anchors sound funny too. It's like old friend is one of the tabs and then one of them one of them is labeled post its to imagine. That's gotta be candice. Yeah so and then. Then chris and money pray before she goes out on stage. He's like jesus name we pray. Read the amen. Read them for fill all man so so then they come onto the stage and the obviously the memo was to wear yellow and candice. Has this big feather fan. Like sort of like a showgirls fan and and a huge yellow bow across her chest. She looks ridiculous. I'll just say right now for as much grief as gisela gets candace. Looks absolutely ridiculous. While i'm for as much praises. Karen gets she's dressed like a sponge. Those dollar stores sponges that are covered in fabric with like silver scribblings on them. Yes she's exactly like one of those sponges and they're like. Wow cairns always the classiest dresser oil and then offer visor. 'cause they're all wearing those like those. What do you call those gliders you a name for check cashing stores. Cash serve is secure. Takes turns off as if she's just like she just landed from like a hour flight from across the world. It's like aaron. You just took off your adviser and relax. Everybody i'm andy. In with the enchanting girls of real of potomac this season has been groundbreaking many levels which i will not to not elaborate on them just say has groundbreaking anyway. I'm so happy to say that. We get to do this in person. Hallelujah t challa louis ah. Let's go back to the markets of medina while the one year. You have an excuse to use plastic crates. I know they minute looks like it. Looks like the set of like an opera or something like that was like very very ornate lake. Clearly just like okay. Pam in set dressing. She's had this vision for a long time. Let's just let her do this. She's she's sick of doing these. These ridiculous backdrops with like marble. Columns let her do her madeira fantasies. She wanted to be so many years. The season that pam finally gets to pet out her plastic milk crates the season. She gets to put out the bananas. The giant sign that says moore kado and plastic tablecloth scribbled over buca pepo like i'm really expecting a chorus to walk and seeing some song to start the show. Oh it's bad. As they talk about la phone chan poon poon and then andy starts his hello halo. Dom is that one of your new. This is victoria straightened out. And then hodges things are good with your pastor. Jamal yes and i suspect by the end of this hour. Everything will be justified as well. Yes i'm b- i'm always the first lady. Yeah well. you wouldn't have to specify that if there weren't like six other ones. Yeah i mean yeah. Exactly the lady. Hey ashley congratulations baby. Number two is coming along. So how are you doing. I'm six months in. I don't have anything to say about that. She can't he's like hey candies. Harry i'm well and you brought a prize at a prop that fan anna op. And it's a hater blocker or love spreader andy. God you're so annoying even in your opening and can you just be normal person. As i know. Exactly andy shaded rob and he's like. Hey robin i thought you'd be wearing embellish. Ooh i don't have a yellow embellished hat and her hair. Occa- there's been a lot like saying looks like she's been run over. I mean they're tired tire tracks on her wig. I think she's like the physical embodiment of the broken wheel on a grocery cart. You know that rickety wheel on a grocery car. Oh i sure do that's robbins best. What robbins hair is giving me. Now i don't know i want to weigh in on it and say how it looks crazy but then i know the moment i do that. I'm going to get like fifty. Dm's being like that's actually like a really popular style and you're an idiot for not knowing that next time issue. Research your wigs before you you know and your styles before you weigh in on it so i feel like i'm just going to say if it makes robin happy. It makes me happy now. It looks stupid okay. there. I said and you're right. It will become if it's not already. It will become very popular and the will look stupid like when to. We had those baratz member when she came and her whole head. Looked like you know at the top of a like an electrical. Some brought a magnets michael's yeah yes. She looked crazy and then find out like the next week. Everybody was doing that. So maybe it is that. But i'm sorry it's stolen ugly tread okay. Jelly shoes were into at a certain time. And they're still. Yeah what was it was like a very yellow hair. It was like an it was like an unnatural yellow hair but then also had some sort of like pattern to it and i was like i was kinda fascinated by it and i was like. Is this the light. Is this a choice. I'm not sure what it is. But i feel like if i weigh in on it too much. I'm probably gonna get in trouble. So but then i also thought am i really gonna get in trouble over. Robin's hair might maybe have risk taking. Perhaps i don't know and you decided nope not worth so ambi is like any wendy. Welcome verse reunion. You've gotten any degree lately. A actually gotten three aaron. It's been five years and since then wings have been upgraded decorum has flown right out or etiquette has flown right out the window and the green eyed bandits. Well maybe things never change so we see a montage of basically everybody's different looks sort of. Yeah wasn't totally sure. I was like what is the. I wasn't totally sure. What the point of this montage. Just sort of like a general. A sizzle reel montage of like how much things have changed. So you've got like karen at first when everything was offensive to her And then by the end. She's like makuuchi stink. Yeah yeah and it was like mainly about how their looks change. They did a lot of like looks through the years which was kind of funny and then become out of and he's like so who changed the most in the past five years and and monique says ashley and he's like well i was going to say karen garin. What do you think you've changed so much. And she's like well and the afternoon to parents. You see life differently and you can only be true to yourself. It's like yeah was asking about the whigs but that's fine too. He's like well looking at the footage and listen. I did not ask you about boobs. When i said hello to you so i'm going to take that opportunity to do that now. Do you have a boob on your face tell me has your vagina been tightened all the way up to your tailbone. He was doing so well. I was like look at him. Look at him not asking about what procedures people have had on their faces in their chest. And he's like god week of some sort Well andy. I did get an injection in my nose. I told my nose. It's time to soldier up. So i got an injection in my nose. And that's it. That's all just an injection in the knows. She's such a liar first of all. Okay no i'll start. My first of all will be injections of my nose okay. She didn't like her nose was baking bulbous at the end and pointing down six. She got stuff put in her nose. So it'd be big imbaba. Some point up balloon. Helium balloon sort of raised about not really sure. And how much did you get put in your nose that it pulls your entire face up a bowling ball a very beautiful signing bowling ball. It looks good. I will say the biggest change in this montage is how good surgery has gotten because karen looks great. Whatever she's had done. I need done and it was just injection in new notes. I don't know who you think. Your kid yes she well she had you know. She had got know what she had done. She got her life back. That's what she had done. She had ray and say thank you for soldier up changed face jesse backpedals and then she goes. Well we're talking current right right thank you thanks them for some reason. Thank you thank you. She's always in a press conference and To sell says something. It's always not our new face put. Does that mean that means. That's my note though. And then ashley it's like well. I mean i would say that you've had major upgrades but i really like these revisions Yes and then. Are we seeing the real candice. Now or have you evolved. Because in the first season she was like very much beauty queen they said but now like is this the real candice. Or have you evolved into this. And can't well you know. I've just gotten more comfortable with the group and i am expressing that comfort by wearing this enormous yellow bow across my torso. I don't know if you noticed that. But that shows how comfortable i am that i can wear something so ridiculous on tv. And not worry about it. And ashley used to show a lot of tna and she's like big now this team. This body is fifteen and the new baby. You better believe it. Everyone back off. That body is mine. Was all i to call it the milk factory. Give me launch weiwei ashley or as are locked to call her mommy. The baby owned restaurant. When wayne i wouldn't say that mommy's body is blong to me. It's more like mommy's milk. Bob belongs to me. Pucker up mummy taunt fleet and win win so Abby points out that she's talking about how he's so classy now but her gene is about to fall out and she's like don't worry it's covered andy. He's speaking of that inches that lives commons about your fast in and he starts just reading all these comments about giselle terrible passion which is so rude and also so funny and says no. That's just because of kinkel. Karen mac andy. She's she starting people on that ambition and he's like what you know when she says that i just goes in one ear and out the other and karen goes care. And how do you. How would you describe her style. The hot mess but and she knows it though. That's trademark trademark. And you know what i say. This is a very beautiful woman. But your tastes sucks. And she's like well. That's your opinion cameron. yes she's like. Who told you to say that. Good one who taught you say that. She doesn't need a writer for that to sell getting this early in the reunion. I know well. I've grown to appreciate that fashion and it's been there are therapeutic for me and quaranteed. He's like therapeutic and quarantine. Yes because i. I'm like let me see what she has on and i enjoyed. It brings me joy. We're going to work in the midst of one of the worst pandemics that's ever hit the entire world. It's nice bit of life. Such as those tampa fashions brings me joy and wendy. Who's trying to help but is terrible at it. Cassie is through the whole renewed by the way she's not you don't want win the on your side to try to help. Because she goes well andy. Giselle suffers from pretty girl syndrome. She's so pretty. She doesn't have to try. Yes well if this is suffering. I liked that suffrage john. Andy i will take talk. So what does robin about yourselves. Fashion i think just all make some bold fashion choices. That aren't for me. But she rocks them with her own style in her own way. She kind of embodies. Everything about embellish builders dot com like. Where are you asking robin. She looks like she's been banged in the head with a dirty soccer ball like ten times so monique. Will you think about yourselves fashioned. This is like the pettiest reunion ever. And i just love it like. Let's have a whole question and answer session about how much giselle fashioned since sucks. It's overdue on and she's like. It's just basically a hand in the face emoji andy and kansas. Kansas is also supposed to be team just like you know what i would love. I would love you to have a with an amazing stylists. Just sell and again. She's wearing enormous bow while she says this was like well. You should be happy. You put a smile on my face in quarantine cells hells like well. You were wearing fake fendi. Apparently on watch what happens. Live zell point out. Candles wearing fake fendi. The season and karen says oh well just would know. Fake fendi from true. Wouldn't vigneault fake from true. Sounds like it said andy. We see karen sir actually said md. And so she's like well. Can you spell alterations had an ultra it. So it wouldn't fall off my shoulders and show my taught us. That's all i'm like. You're karen you're never gonna alter the off your fendi shirt. You did not pay to have someone that says. Andy you paid for something to save lives. Yeah you bought. And he didn't realize that is a damn lie. 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And she says karen because he knows she's seen karen and then. Kansas says that she would call it a tie between herself and karen ambi like monica. I thought you would say yourself. And she's like well. I'm not that vain. Andy and kansas goes public got her. I think if you're not in public oh no never mind. I was gonna say if you're not if you're only in private. Does that mean you're still vein. But i guess it's still yes you would be so. So why have robin and giselle maintained their friendship for so long because there are real housewives and they should have had a falling out by now and robins like well we enjoy one another and you know we see each other real friends and not friends for strategic reasons. Oh yeah And karen's like the questions. Karen you've been gunning for them. How come all the venom this year for robin and giselle. Who are so innocent. Never do anything to anybody or an you coming for robin. And just so. I can't imagine robbins whole attitude in. This is so funny like robin acting. Like she's so innocent. This hour union cracks me up so eddie's on her side for now he's like while the towards them and cares like oh was just good old shady fun and run. You wanted to put the responsibility of that fight on us. You tried to blame us for that fight. And now my messages. I have people telling me. I need to get dragged need to jump off a roof and we've been on the receiving end of that has nothing to do with us and just like that has everything to do with you and caroline's like i'm just using my voice To shine the light on the side of sars during his l. underst- using my voice to shine the light on the other side of what happened that night. Everyone's like other side. It was on video. We all saw. Yes we did. And a lot of people are split on that one a lot of people who have seen it and what they're mad at is karen was making tweets like this. My heart sank. This is by some meaningful green is out the anointed one and asks tag her wingman because karen was tweeting out screenshots that was also from the raw footage by the way everybody who screaming that with robin smiling during this whole fight. Well i mean yeah. But i think i probably would be like smiling too. I mean i wouldn't be smiling not be and it doesn't mean that i would have promoted the fight to happen but i would probably like. Oh my god this is crazy like i. I do that smile a lot. Like this is crazy. Like a nervous smile. Like like lo. What are they doing. Why are they fighting right now. The story just needed to be torn canvases. Like what story rob and drop that engine. And he's like okay. We're gonna put a pin in that for now because we've got nineteen hours to shoot today so let's go to something way more boring because that's how we do it here. How about a wendy montag is professor. Wendy this season you had no problem schooling. Everyone who came your way even though you have plenty of degrees you earned your honorary phd inch so the montage is basically what you think. It is wendy going over her credentials and the whole time with head is in the bottom corner of the screen nodding like that's right every time she's like boy degrees and i have a degree in this and this and this is just down there not like you go lady on that screen. Yeah so that. Andy just asked her house. She enjoyed the first season and her her little boys that they're celebrities now and and all. The women are really surprised. That giselle was really so open to wendy's zealous famously. Rude to everyone knew comes onto the show but they say it was. Because of the ak connection and you know all that and they sort of a brief diversion talk about how they were happy. They were to see kamala harris in her white suit. You know i'm when i'm the election. It's not election night election saturday. It was so they talked about that. You know yeah and then he's like wendy your first money jury. And how has the nigerian community reacted. And she's like there beyond excited. Andy if i go to the african market i'm royalty and they're like oh my god you're my baby and my baby is here. Get the folks at an anti turns to robin is like. Hey robin. wasn't it. nice and other nigerians or later to events than you are So wendy are you still teaching. And she's like Yes i teach power policy and politics at hopkins. Excuse me of the john hopkins university ambi. He's like well. I'm glad you are absolutely. But i am impressed too. I don't want to take away from your accomplishments. it's just how you use them to bring others down around you. Yeah viewers felt like you are constantly throwing around your degrees. And she's like well. Because i'm constantly on the defense to defend my degree. For instance the other day. I went to the supermarket and they said. Do you have exact change and i said i have four degrees in fact i mean the way. She came out my degrees. It was just unheard of. I was watching the weather the other day and the weatherman said that outside had ninety eight degrees. And i said who's bragging now. I actually met nicholas shea at a press event before the pandemic and i was like. So what's your back story. And he's like well. I'm from ninety eight degrees. And i was like yeah but are they. Phd's because i don't think so. I've got ninety nine of those. And ashley like wow you know. Oh wendy says she's talking about when we got in a fight. And i said you can call me dr wendy and as yes a conversation you initiated in very aggressive manner. And she was like okay. Well when you use that term of yes because you use your education a put people down and he's like well karen. This is interesting karen because you seem the lease impressed. And karen's like well. It had nothing to do with their academic accolades. I'm very proud of her for that. For example is a good designer. Thank you thank you. Thank by the way. And i just i just want to point out that in my attempt to elevate my own education in a in a spirit of wendy i said academic accolade. That's both alliteration. And it's also multiple syllables. Do smart ladies. Yeah an ambulance like so when you called her a floozy freelancer and she's like i didn't call her. That giselle said that. I said that and just was like well. I may have added that big thing at. That's a pretty big thing to add babe. Yeah so well. The reason why. I said that was because karen from day. One was trying to get you. Wendy kicked off the show like in newburgh taryn pulled me to the side and said i don't like wendy. Wendy does not fit this show. Okay but you still didn't answer the question like that's so what does why would you add that. She called her a floozy your mayor because she's been trying to get her kicked. You still lied. How does just get away with this. Every single time. Shameless about she is the second. She's confronted about something. She just accuses somebody if something terrible and changes the whole conversation. She's very good at it and it works here. We i think we as a society whether we like it or not. I think that we appreciate people who are shameless about things. Like if you're just going to like lie or just like be like stir the pot. But you do it shamelessly. We're like well but they were being true to themselves you know. They're just being shameless. But if you tried to like act like she didn't listen. I've seen a lot of survivor. Okay and the people who win at the end are the ones who are shameless about everything that they did all the all the all the mean things they did over the course of thirty nine days and the ones were like no but i honestly really liked all of you if they may be being very honest in that moment but no one likes that. Like fuck you. you're not gonna win a million dollars. So this is my life lesson from survivor. Yeah it works. So wendy's like. I know she was trying to get me kicked off like that. Is andy on sale right now. It's like oh my god. Why are we even giving giselle airtime. Because she's just line and robins like it's normal law because when we got back from portland jojo you said that. She's not good for the show. And wendy goes and now we set it. She pulls out a little camille grammer. Yeah i know. I noticed that i was like nice. Crossover and karen said no. I just had challenges connecting with her. And wendy's you had problems with me. Because i didn't want you to mentor me and kiss your ass and say i need your help. And he's like well. That's an interesting point. Because cabbage ashley both came to the show Like basically bowing your feet for respect or with respect right. Yeah and wendy also calls her mother goose at this point which is funny to me just like i haven't thought about mother. Goose a really long time and so the lake have invoked in the presence of karen was funny. So karen's like well. That's opinion and it's wrong when when i had a rough first year for me this is. This is day one. This mother goose thing honey. You don't have to come come to me anyway. I accept you. One mother goose one lady who lives in a shoe so then he says well. What about that. Wendy slither that. She dan and wendy loved and and cairns like anti what. I love anti court sports. And so i'd like to pick wendy for being such a good sport about sliver. Hey and you're both wearing the same shoes today. you're donovan. Some classic andy shoes. And these are yuki. So next stuff is kansas. Kansas not want to keep her opinions or her tweets to herself but this season she learned a little bit about restraint. Let's take a look. Yeah as a montage of candace saying that. She's almost ready to have a baby but isn't sure she's going to have a baby but she's almost ready to have a baby and so maybe she will have a baby. Who knows so that. You finally moved out of dorothy house. And she's like i'm you dead. Is that true well. We'll talk about this. When chris comes out like no you were asked to fucking question for most of his show. Answer the question. Ma'am he's like war. I'm gonna blow up your spot a little bit later. You just watch. You had a chance to control this narrative and now you've lost it. He's like okay. That's what we call a tease. Hey by the way congrats on your song. How's it compared coffee and love. And she's like well. This is an actual song with no auto tune. You can tell because you can hear. My voice is flat throughout the entire thing. Yeah hey i perform my song many times because yes but the vocals were trashed. My dear just oh and now traffic will you called my husband trash and your man can't control your nasty husband's hands and your husband is itching right now. So take care of him. Yeah the go at it and then and he's like don't talk about my husband itching. We all know that. His skin conditions that he flakes so out of my conversation. I mean he goes well you did call her vocals trash because it was because you asked me about the vocals goes well. I did okay so funny because he does try to lose like a little bit of a gas line because you. She's like she's like well but out of my my my question and he's like well but you don't now i forget what it was but the point was andy was acting like he actually had no part like he did not just ask her about coffee and coffee. Whatever it's called sex. She's like no. You asked me about that young. Okay next question julie from manassas at your twitter behavior is horrible It took you it. Didn't take you to launder goal. Ashley a winch. And a roach and i mean come on. This is true. You are disaster on twitter and say thank you anti. I am someone who responds when. I'm being assaulted on twitter. Then yeah that makes sense. That's totally tracks and so ashes. Like well you know. I could have said that what you re tweeting me was affecting me emotionally and hurting me. Which was basically like a reference to what candy says about money tweets. Oh be quiet. You're just trying to have a moment on. Tv says the woman who brought a showgirls fan onto the reunion. yeah and she's like just Worry about your babies and your husband. And she's like oh and now you're provoking me with my husband and my children and robin grossly hood. No problem saying anything about miles men and my children. So don't say she's provoking you by saying you have children province. Why are you even in any fights. That's-that's business this mystery so ashes like well. She said things about me and my family rahman's was so she said that Your baby looks like your husband and ashes. And that's not rude. it's like you. i'm like shouldn't that be. That's that's a. That's a blessing. I don't know no. She did say to be mean we all know it. We all know Yeah so they're like well. You guys have all piled on campus. But we seem ashley talk about your personal lives and you never came for her. Yes they did. They came for her. What did what are you talking about. And just says that's not true and like what made you think these women couldn't have this conversation without us ganging up on them trying to make a conversation happen. That wasn't ready to happen. I was like. I'm not following that but find so. Hey do you guys think. Do ladies think there's any color ism why you calling candidates and wendy aggressive and wendy's like all too happy to hear this question she was like i'm looking at all of y'all to hear your answers so monique says it's not about robin's like why are you looking at me wendy. She's like i'm looking at all of you. Yeah so. Monique says it's not about color. It's about judging actions at that moment. And wendy. But wendy says ashley uses buzz words like aggressive and ferocious that you know that. Like a therapy dog whistles for people and she and wendy says that after ashley called her aggressive that she got like so many people who basically dmt her amer like. You're a bitter black bitch. All this stuff like really mean stuff And she's like a and b basically when you have to understand that when you say those things it's a non and wink to those sort of people. Yes like a dog. Whistle basically And most disagrees. It's not a black thing and she's like well you're doing something to inside a fight and that was aggressive and robins like well we need to be aware of our words and i will never refer to a woman aggressive because of her color and went. He's like yeah but there has to be accountability. Here you know because you say there's no color ism but you have to have the accountability as a fair skinned person that that could hurt darker skinned person and ashes like. Yeah but that's not why i said it and she's like well you do it all the time and i'm putting you on notice s so andy is like so. What's a better term to use in a situation like that because like How about who or ghetto. Maybe that's the better terminology because of course that's what candace calls. Monique and candice is not being called out about that right. And here's where this all goes a little south for me because i agree with wendy. I mean look that. We've all heard those terms you. So if she's saying that that's offense. Just say i'm sorry. That's not how i meant to your acting. I'll do better right like aren't but then they wendy because she's team canvas will never call candice out on that and that was way worse calling her ghetto and hood rat and all that stuff. Yeah i agree. I also think it's just in my mind. Those are two different in this in this case. They're specifically talking about a ferocious an aggressive. Like those words. I i think monet totally had a a very very very valid point when she said that which is like. Hello apparently. that's okay. I would have liked wendy to have to have also condemned. Why can't decide to you because because it's totally wrong. Yeah so then And he's like well. Can't you admit that you have a tendency to provoke people. And she's like. I have a tendency to use words very well. Which is some times to my veterans. Poor her with her. She's just so articulate. you know just. She's just can't control with great power comes great responsibility and with even non lada. Power comes great responsibility so giselle like but you can be extremely below the belt And she was like well. I could pull back. I own that and he was like you know. Lena ill. i think your life could be better if you just east up on twitter okay. Yeah maybe don't this is me andy. Cohen who basically as a career of you ladies fighting each other on twitter and bring it onto camera. And i'm telling you to us up on twitter. Monday suggest tweeting things like good morning battle. We see mister where he's like. So how are you with your season long story line of thinking about possibly maybe having kids one day and she's like well we're still talking about it and there has been some forward movement so you may know things soon and to know. We can't wait. We can't wait to know that you might have an iud or something like that. So she's like. Hey so i hear you're back in school suggests andy i'm getting my mba Very excited well. that's great. I didn't know the learning annex gave that out anyway between this and the new house you guys are really growing up. Wow growing up in that new house of yours that beautiful new house. And she's like well andy. That was what. I was gonna tease with chris. Thanks for much. I'm like first of all applaused. Andy because he totally got her on. He knew exactly what he was saying. Second of all. Why are you teasing that with chris. Like why did we have to have a special moment that like the two of you announce it. This is not like you're sitting down mom and dad and say hey guys we're getting married or we're having a baby it's like we don't need both of you guys to announce that you're having bought out we actually you really don't care. Yeah and and i will have you know. We purchased a new home together. My mother was generous enough to donate a rubber plant. And that is all that she gave us those like and how about that. Nba mom bought. Education was there. Was there a check at the bottom of the road. we're plant they. Use would have pulled out of that door. Yeah and so just like either way. It's impressive and you're pregnant. I'm not pregnant bitch. So now it's time to take a break but they're not allowed to get out of their seats which is kinda funny by the way one thing. I also noticed. That ashes hair went from street to curly street. Actually i didn't know. Saddam noticed it. But i'm saying but i noticed ed her haircut teaching straight then it was like had like a curl and then we'll straight again so they clearly did get up at some point but for those who were wondering like i think they got up. I'm here to tell you guys. They got up at some point so while they're sitting there aren't break. Monique and ask you start talking. And when he is calling calling candidates fake and all that stuff yes she still hasn't had any accountability. Oh the fakery and you know them trying to spread all this stuff behind my back. You want rumors. We can play rumors. You don't wanna see what's in that binder hannie the go. Yes then we get a close up of the binder and when we come back giselle this season. The word on the street was that. There's a pastor in your genes so we see this jamal segment and while it's happening you see in the little corner watching and or not watching because she puts on her lip gloss or whatever and but she doesn't like aggressively like well i'm putting on my lip author bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba to show how much i don't care for jamal up up up up up up up up above the. Let's start with your house. Is the west wing complete. And she's like no because of corona basically and he's like okay. Let's talk about the real questions your decor sox. Everybody talks about it. Feel about well i just like what i like. God it's all works together or not. Lock your opinion karen now it was. Just a question wasn't yeah i mean. Are you open to the idea that some things might not work well together. I mean look. The theme of your house is ronald mcdonald. Arns red pepper really everything. And they'll does not well together. We'll congrats karen her. Jared toll kicked in. Oh let's do the age with themes salary age west and when he's like it's ages together. Wendy ages well. How do your fifty years old. So don't do it. You're fifty years old can't so what's going on with every hue so the manufacturer Giselle manufacturers shut down because of covid which explains why no one has any access any makeup for the past nine months in the world. But it's like oh really all houston selling your product because la dom didn't exist remember fragrance didn't exist but my favorites bloomingdale's com retailing. Sounds like well congrats about that. Oh well you said it didn't exist you come for me. Your businesses out of business. Just tell the truth because the word on the street is target liquidated you through the wits and now she's liquid on the for all. Listen i mean. I don't mean to brag but unless you have your own fragrance that's at side by side with haenel number four. I don't think you really get to talk about these things i diamonds. That's what i do session of incline. Andy's he's like well you did have a go at her and the chickens are home to roost now. The manufacturer closed. But we're not done. I wish you well. I wish you well and if you want i can put you in touch with the very fabulous designer. Her name is donatello or cheat So andy is talking about jamal. So jamal runs a new birth church which is fitting. She's saying i mean. Come on guys. he's really just going with the theme of the church. You can't expect jamal to work at a place called new birth and not have one himself. Yeah exactly break. So does does zealous jamal and covert and she says she doesn't get to see him a lot because georgia's numbers are crazy and she isn't reckless with how she handles covid. She's only reckless with whom she gets her heart to. Yes and he's like what about the scene with your dad that was awkward mostly because he could have had a free refill of ice tea and didn't take that much out of that scene. My dad loves and supports me. And if he didn't have that feeling we'd have a problem. I mean he's my dad he's not supposed to prove jamaa or his seven baby mamas also. Nbrc other women if they see a difference in sell since she reunited with him and then comes the karen. Monique tag team did not know we need. It changed my life. Yeah so it's like. Oh are you back with him. Because that's not what the word on the street is the where it is. You and jamal said he would save your child by pretending that you're still together and i don't wanna talk about it because so dirty lowdown trauma ask you how you in a relationship with that eraser true or do you have a baby with another woman while he was dating you because if that's true if it happened on your watch while you brought him on the show i mean i didn't want anything to do with this. I don't want people to ask me questions. So then we go to commercial and we come back and she's still grilling her. she's like well. Your father said that he had a baby with another woman he was dating. You is that true and giselle just laughs Looks a little flustered. i have to say looks totally. She looks totally caught. I mean zell was the biggest loser in this entire reunion. She totally outram road. And how was she not prepared for this. It's been all over the internet. Yeah she'd looked totally blindsided. She had this like weird smile on her face. Like she's like. I got a smile now because otherwise. They're going to think they ought to me. But she's like gulping hard and like her eyes are kind of glazing glazing over there just look like they're they're they're focusing on some distant area and so dissolves like she's like well since you don't want to have anything to do with it karen great andy. Any questions are and he's like well. Would you stay with him. If he's had another baby with another woman she goes. he has not. My father was exaggerating. And we've been through a lot and psych. Yeah but when you were announcing that you were back together. He told his girlfriend who was just for a story line and just discuss thanks. Thanks like well. How do you know that. And only because the lady he's been dating she's a pastor and she reached out to me a long time ago and she said a bunch of screenshots picks him in her bed and things like that and i said well. I'm not commute that. Because i play dirty but you know just likes to play dirty. So he's definitely been talking to this other woman who's a preacher and it's very clear conversations and if you'd like to see tom. Here's my trapper keeper. So she whips out her binder and starts just thumbing through it and she does that thing where she's licking her finger to get through the pages ready to go and candice. Gus been waiting to show does receipts for months. I was like really lady. Who shows up with video footage of michael every season. That's into their well. Then you can react. Because ju just says i have no reaction and she goes well then you can react to this. Because he's always asking her what her schedule is and then she asked what he's doing his little church and because well how do you know that those are really from her. She's like you want me to call out his phone number. I'm sure she knows what his phone number is. And that she just keeps thumbing through papers and starts calling out his full phone number. What's your motivation behind this like. It's pretty clear. robin money. Money says the number and andy's like is that the number and zealous. Yeah that's the number. That's so awkward in kansas goes. Well that's unfortunate. Yeah then so. Does that upset youth. That's his number and she's like well. I don't believe he comes out of mooney mouth and anything that does come out of for binder. Glad she's done some by doing good there. We go back on the track bind during mean for binder and monique keeps going. She's like well and then she says for me it's not a good idea to travel to atlanta. If you're trying to put your family back together and he says what are you talking about. And she says what am i talking about. And then she screenshots the actual article about him trying to put his family back together and canvass interrupt. Some she's like are we really listening to. This is the same person that was running crying wolf to bravo when someone was riding truth about her. Yeah that's what you do exact. You've been doing. All season is crying and running debravo and crying wolf about the tweets. She wrote about you out hypocrite. Yes this is your friend. Can i think she's saying that to karen she's like did you. Bring a whole binder to read verbatim. What a home might have had to say about a pastor. It's pathetic and it's low. Like ma'am you're the one who brought like a frivolous asked case to the courts that cost a lot of people. Money am also. She just called a preacher lady. A ho. the lady. They're talking about is a pastor. Okay so money. of course i'm bringing receipts to back up what i'm saying so while you sit over there adding fake fraudulent relationships with your ex fried bringing a different man to the reunion every single year. Will i hope he's sitting behind you this year pastor holiday whore since when you wanna keep calling my husband big boy if you do after passer holy whore row holiday data. Luckily they are adorable. Like holy whores. Wow holiday. horror is like cute pastor holiday or holiday so just completely destroyed. And i was like am i feeling something forges. Al and i was but it also felt really good. Yeah she does. Earth looks totally totally blindsided. and monique. monica's going back to our binder while she's at this point she's now looking at. It is like your boyfriend is sleeve. Big deal around his congregation in atlanta. And you know you're a fraud. And then she actually stops because gisela destroyed like she's literally emotional ashes and say literally but she's like on the ground completely been destroyed and monique actually stops for a second. So caring is jamal comey no of course. Not and and andy's face. His jaw was on the floor and he was just looking back and forth. Like oh shit. What do i do. Now i'm excited to see what else comes out of that binder. Oh it's kinder time. Anybody has ever gotten just out like this. Yeah it's it's pretty. It's pretty amazing. So glorious wow was good. 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#10 The Great Movie Ride

The Ride Through Pavilion

1:00:00 hr | 2 years ago

#10 The Great Movie Ride

"Charging our casts. The goes. Digital rise. John. Welcome everyone of all stripes and all abilities. You are listening to the right through pavilion podcast. I am one of your host. My name is Jeremy. I'm Amy good. And somewhere around here is Liam for you regular listeners. You know that Liam is our special needs, dull son and just for that's mine in Amy's son few on his brother, he loves to go to Disney. There's so much that he loves about it. But he can't express for himself. So throughout the podcast as we find opportunity, we will be speaking on his behalf in order to highlight those things that he loves so much. So yeah, hey this week. We'll feel a why don't you tell the folks? Okay. Now, listen everybody, this is is this hard for me to say, but the great movie ride. Yes, we have a special extinct right through in. That is the great movie rate is gonna said, and this is an attraction that it was loved by many people, and of course fan. She did want to be a cast member in this right this. Yeah. You had your eye on this this role. Didn't you? Well, unfortunately, it is no line with us. A we are looking forward to its replacement. But it was a great. It was a it was a great movie. As far as movie rights, go. It was a. Was a great movie. Right. Great. Yeah. So anyway, that's what we're going to be doing you guys. If you don't know, this is a podcast where we we take you on a, hyper detailed right through of your favorite Disney World attraction. So you can experience the magic of these attractions. No matter where you are. And so hopefully today for you is no exception. But listen before we get going. We have to give shoutout to this week sponsor. This week sponsor is resort mugs. Experience at feeling of regret in the morning. When you bring your resort mug with you into the parks only defined out. There's no free refills their resort mugs. Yeah. What do you think about the sponsor? I don't know if we're going to keep them around or not. I can relate though. Move. That is a newbie move for sure you can tell on the bus people immediately regretting that they're standing there with their mug. It doesn't matter. How many clips you have the clip it onto your back? Pain, especially if you lose your lid. Yeah. Boy, don't lose me. But hey, we went before we get into our right through couple of orders of business number one. We want to we wanted to start a little feature on on our podcast and right now the working title for the segment is magic moment. Do I don't know. I don't know if I like that. I do do you. Okay. Well, it's probably gonna stick thin because at least one third of likes it. I was thinking song over it. So this man, right. We don't have clearance for that song. Don't see. I wasn't thinking. Magic don't on. Okay. Listen. So this is this is we just I think we can all relate that when we go to Disney, we we return because among all the other amazing things. There's that we actually experienced some kind of goodwill Disney magic, it could be something that nice at the cast members done force. You'll be something that that we've experienced interacting with other get part guest. Yeah. It could be anything. So we went to highlight that I mean, there's there's a lot of negativity out there in the world. And we think this podcast is a perfect place to be one of the outlets to throughout some uplifting stories. Yeah. So, hey, listen. Eventually we wanna start featuring your you the listener pointing right at the Mike. I don't know if you can see that or not. But we want to see that. Please. Right. Please. Can you see us Disney hashtag Disney voodoo? But anyway, yeah, we wanna start telling your stories as well. So let us know if you have a story, maybe we'll Skype in for one of these recording sessions, and we'll we'll tell your story has to be uplifting. I don't wanna hear about any snakes jumping out of bushes or right? No. That's not a magic moment. I I mean. No now, let's imagine. Okay. That's black man. So when we. As we explained last week on our our L episode live from DisneyWorld kind of life from DisneyWorld. We talked about how Liam likes to collect stickers. And if if you wanna hear details about that go back, listen, but one of the stickers that we were trying to collect that trip frilly in for his wheelchair. Trae was the honorary custodian and this is great cute little sticker. That's got Mickey in a custodian outfit, and this is honorary custodian and for that trip for some reason that became the holy grail. That was like no one had it. We'd ask in magic kingdom. No-one had. It we go over to Epcot some other say wait here. God love them. They disappear to go try to find it. But then they'd come back later and in wasn't there in. So we were back in magic kingdom after looking at all the parks asking every story. It was our last day. And we were coming off of splash mountain. And it was right when the parade was ending. So right there in front of Paco's bills. We are pickles. Bill is a singular or not. This restaurant. Yeah. But anyway, it is singular, but maybe possessive. And so we were we were there. And as we were crossing over the bridge about to cross crossover that main thorough way there where frontier land is we see a whole group of custodians waiting to kind of be cleaning up in the wake of the parade. And so there's like ten of them, and we walk up to these these guys and gals, and we say, hey, this is lamb checkout his tray, he's collecting stickers. And we're looking for the honorary custodian and one of them, you could see he just kind of like the swagger came over him, very confidently reached into his his pocket, and he he pulls out finally the honorary custodian sticker, and he hands us with joy, we were like cheering and suddenly vase search sharing with this. And they're applauding as we're putting it on the sticker in a big party Paco's Bill. It was the best. And I I don't know if this is true or not. Not. But I mean, I've got to think that people don't people overlook the custodians there, and they are all amazing, and they're also friendly, we know because we're always asking for these stickers and we've had more than one magic moment with the custodian over this sticker. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've gotten free ice cream. We've I mean, you name it these guys they care. They really they really do so shout out to the custodial staff. You guys are awesome. We have more than one story like that. And I don't know. We'll didn't we find out that they aren't making those anymore. Yes. We may have talked about this last week. Record these an order. What we've heard is if it's not round and in if it has Mickey in a anything, but it making, but Mickey attire. There nixing it. So that's sad. But we have plenty of those. And maybe we'll even make that part of a giveaway at some point in share the love Liam can share the love. We'll have to talk to him about it. Okay. Well, listen, a a final bit of business here to take before we jump into our right through of the great movie right is well, you know, what guys? I didn't tell you this. But there's been an addition to the right through pavilion. Wow. Week of the dishes. This is we have. You're the music. Yeah. Sounds legit. We've installed speakers in the right through pavilion that also we've installed look over there. Look, look, look you see that. That's the right through pavilion refreshment poor. I was just getting hungry. I think it was the music. Yeah. It was probably. Well, I'm sorry. If your hungry. Any thirsty? Come on. Let's go on over the refreshment kiosk. True. Something with women. Hey, Fiona, they probably do. But so every weekly. This is going so well. We every week you regular listeners will know that we like to create a cocktail for the adults and amok tail for field in honor of the attraction that we're writing through this week. So this week Amy you want me to talk about this talk about it. I'm pretty proud of this this. So here refreshment port. We do see that we have something that is like a site car. But wait a minute. It's not made with cognac. It's made with ROY orange liqueur, and lemon juice when someone has cleverly named this not the sidecar, but the right car, right, whiskey, right? Brilliant. So few of love to shake hands with that, man. So. Hi. They just shook hands. Thanks for the narration. Hey fianna. You can't have any of this. But what about you? What about the mock tail for the kids? Well, thank goodness. They had something with women's. It is totally what you were hoping for hand. It's frozen lemonade cubes and lemon lime soda, and you know, what it's called women brick road. That's pretty good should follow. It. Follow the limit brick road. The fax the facts. So without any further ado now that we have our drinks in hand. We are ready to start this, right? Two of the great movie ride. But before we do do a new addition all the dishes quickly where can we find rescue? This likley. It's on our social social media media Pinterest at ride through pavilion Instagram at ride through villian and Twitter at ride through Pau. All right. We'll repeat that at the end. But we are going to jump now. Social with us. Here we go the great movie ride right through. Going to start with the facts as we always do and we will start first with the description. Now, you guys we dug into the way back machine this official Disney description does not exist on their site anymore. But we got into the way back machine that is a real website. We're not pretending that that's the thing in. In. And we dug up this old page for you to find all the official. Disney information on it. So Amy, let us know what is the official Disney description of this steel. Steal. It is journey into the movies during this spectacular star studded twenty two minute tour of some of Hollywood's most famous films, so you wanna be in the movies relive some of the greatest movie moments in history during a tram ride that puts you in the middle of the magic and the stats on this. It's located on Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood studios. It opened may first nineteen Eighty-nine making it an opening day attraction, it is back lot tour style dark ride. It's dark slow. Right. It's scary. Apparently, there's a scary part for sure and it's twenty two minutes. Leith? There are no high restrictions. It is on an automated guided vehicle also known as an AG, and we can talk about that in the companion episode next week and the features over fifty audio animatronic funeral let us know about the special needs accommodations and those are. Are hand hand-held captioning there. Well on rephrase there is hand held captioning available. Assistive listening devices available audio description devices available, and you must transfer to a standard wheelchair wheelchair can get onto the tram. They just don't. They just don't want any of the the electric scooters on there. Oh, well, this right. Doesn't exist anymore. But if it did Lucious talk like it does. Okay. We're going to really would want to be in the front car wheelchair accessible part because the back. Is there a one? Yeah. Okay. The back one was horrible because we could never here. Okay. It was always late. Always late. Just. Yeah. It was just as you were passing by you're still you're still like, you know, seventy five feet behind everyone. And they're talking about something that you can't see it. What what you're right there is no wheelchair accessible car. For the front. All right. So as we approached this attraction, I we can we can come from different ways. But I gotta say there is no way like coming down Hollywood Boulevard and approaching that that Chinese theater, in fact, the exterior is replica of Grauman's Chinese theater. It's changed names since then since opening and it's actually Mann's Chinese theatre. I think it might even be even another rendition yet another franchise but in Hollywood studios, they thought ahead it is just simply known as Chinese theater. So as we walk up, we see this exterior with the kind of the pagoda. Look we see traction posters. We see the this is we see great movie ride posters. Enticing you to come inside. We also we also see this art deco off to the left on the exterior on the very exterior outside of the courtyard. Even right there on the street side, we see this beautiful art deco neon sign that says the great movie ride a spectacular journey into the movies when we walk into the courtyard. When we see we see Chinese guardian lions, they're like fun to pose by they're fun to post by nuit Elster called food house dogs food food fighter dogs. And then when you look down just like Chinese theater there in Los Angeles. You see tons and tons of of foot in handprints. There are lots of of Flint handprints, there's a huge list. I just decided to kind of pair it down to Disney related. Characters C three PO and our two d-2. Jim Henson, RIP and Kermit. We see Mickey we see mini goofy Donal. And then we see Hollywood royalty. Really? There's a Bob Bob. Hope there's Warren Beatty, which I think is still in aby. Erin AM ABC connection or not ABC, dick, Tracy. Wasn't that a? Wasn't that a vista movie or something? I don't know. What do I know Harrison Ford, Audrey Hepburn? An I love pay my hand in Audrey. It's so it's so fun to just go up and do that same experience. You get in LA. I these are like legit, you know, hand castings. Yeah. Yeah. So that's fun feeling that you have a favorite. Yeah. Jim hinson? I really like fragile Rava is there, right? I like his fun. Isn't it? Okay. So. As we as we move into the queue there is a series. If you're going on standby off to the right? There's there's just a little bit of the side of the building the courtyard that you kinda switch back and forth in then you find yourself in the interior or if you're coming in as pass pass, you just go right in the front, and you see you see these. I put any details down a great G. Remember, the well, do you feel about the costumes for the cast members to remember any details about that? I didn't I didn't write anything. Yeah. It's kind of like bell. Hot play assure shirt. That brighter red color skullcap kind type thing. Yeah. Yeah. And they have like shoulder like gold peplum. Peplum peplums render waste. Well. I don't know your blow my mind right now. I didn't know that about your out the captain crunch shoulder pads. Yeah. That's what they're called. I mean, I think so they're wearing beanies in this sound sane, really. When you let it like that. Dinis and captain crunch roller bats. But then when you walk in you walk into this grand foyer, and it has these red columns, and in has these like lantern chandeliers these beautiful Chinese wall murals on each side. It's very grand into very elegant, and is very red and is very lacquered. And it's very beautiful. It is it is. I mean in the rug as well the carpet as well. Rush. And so as you go in you, kind of enter more into this what we would call I can call the lobby. That's when you start seeing different attraction posters, which eventually I in fact, a lot of what we're talking about. Is that final version so they weren't so much posters as they were TV displays that showed the posters. And I didn't write down any of any of the titles that you might have seen as attraction posters, but we see then as we're walking through. We were now looking at. Let's see what what are we seeing? Oh, you know, what we're seeing a bunch of that memorabilia aiming that you're talking about before. But I I guess is worth noting that that the the ceilings are lower. And then we have these gold rope. So typically. Roped off. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not the railing. It's not shows museum. Like, exactly so. So it really is these kind of braided gold ropes connected to the to the to the stanchions, which is a word that I've learned recently, which the polls that she would connect velvet rope, Stu stanchions. Okay. Learn it they'll be a next week. Then they're everywhere. They're display cases with movie memorabilia, my favorite the ark of the covenant from raiders of the law. Stark. I really like roses dress. Yes from Titanic and the and the cutest thing dear God, I love Judy Garland so much. And so we have her dress from in the good old summertime, which is the tiniest little thing is ever seen. It is. It's like when you go to a civil war museum. And you see, you know, this great general that you built up in your mind, and you look, and he like there's this seventh grade girl wouldn't fit into this thing. Also, the holiday the the the desire or whatever Jarque board from Star Wars that holiday not the holiday. No that's Star Trek, but the holiday chess board that that is on the millennium. Falcon, that's there to those quite a thrill. I bet you that that's going to be moving. I bet you that they move that over two galaxies. I feel like they have a fake one over in the meet and greet overrun. They want. Jay. Thank you. I don't think of one ching pad. I know from last up I kept saying launch on. And then finally, we get we get into these these theater pre show interior and space cly as if you were to walk in and see the movie screen, except there's no chairs is still a bunch of. Velvet ropes, Dan Shawn's when you go in. To the left. That's where real chairs will be separated from everyone else, right? Yes. So so you go straight you go straight down the left. Fast passed in a tour shape. Yeah. We'll take you down there yet. And so then to the very shirt Bill. Oh, sure. And to the right are these automated doors, and you sit there and you wait. And then when those doors open you go into the loading area and that loading area is fantastic. One of my favorite things. It's a nineteen thirty sound stage. Basically and the coolest thing is when you look like like with everything else around you which we're about to describe let me just say. I love looking up and seeing those wooden rafters. I don't know why love that. Wow. Love that. But yesterday, we were looking at that overhead shot of the I love Lucy set, and we were noting like. Like like. Wade out of meat out of metal. And like it was me not a wood in the walkways and the catwalks were made out of wood and wood planks. I don't know. It's just it's just cool as something you associate with old timey theater in in here. We are movie making in the nineteen thirties, and you see these wooden structures. Not sure why that's a big deal to me. But it is and yes, that's it in. So then on the loading side behind you into the sides, you see lights and booms and cables and cameras on the platform side. And then when you look across on the other side of the path where the right vehicle is part. You see basically it's like a set piece of the Hollywood hills. And I think you see like Griffin observatory you see the Hollywood sign there's some physical kind of palm tree type things. Right. There's a tow Pieris. I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Good topiary. Do you? They're beautiful twenty two years of marriage. I'm just now finding this out. And then you you get into this the ride vehicle excuse me. I have to cough, somebody takeover Fana. The safety warning. Okay. No don't do that yet. I'm done coughing. I'm back. But so if you were in wheelchair you would blowed up in the back of this. So mansion if you were another now, this is interesting. This was an another attraction that had the same kind of like moving theater concept was university of energy right that close on the very same day. Interesting. But it's basically a huge moving theaters kind of what you could think of it as in terms of the seating. And if you're in a wheelchair you would go to the very back, and there would be at least one, and I want to say to rose that were kind of these two thirds linked rose in which the recent space where you could park a wheelchair. And then, you know, your party could sit down next to you. Otherwise, everybody else just loads up we get going and then feel. Well, no, real quick wheelchair users usually go into the through the doors before everyone else. So because he times kind of get. Yeah. That's right. That's right. So. The cast member says something I'm going to bring this music for you. Because aren't you to tell us the cast members spiel? So this is a safety. Warning. They say welcome aboard. At this time. I'd like to ask everybody to please remain seated throughout the ride keep your hands arms. Gosh messed up. And keep your hands and arms within the vehicle at all times. Also for your safety of our casts and the comfort of those around you, please no flash photography or use of external video whites. All right now that we've taken care of business. Let's talk about me. My name is gonna and I'll be your guy during this magical journey into the movies is the perfect job for me because I love the movies. That's good feel. For free. And then we begin to very slowly after that big build up we start moving like quarter of a mile an hour, and we begin it does feel like you really taken off. Yeah. It does it does that's fair, and we moved in under this marquee. Another marquee says now playing the alternate celebration of classic movies. And in the end, the latter years say brought to you by TCI turtle classic movies. And so then we're moving into these more neon lights on the side. There's the great movie right attraction poster yet, again, kind of echoing what we saw outside. But now, we're actually going to make sure you you are getting yourself xactly. Yeah. And then one of my favorite parts is then right before you get into the actual attraction and start seeing the different vignettes and the different animatronic, you go buy these lovely mirrored columns, and I love. Them because they're very nineteen thirties. But also that part of the seventies disco that borrowed from the nineteen thirties in our deco. That reminds me of that to reminds me of an elegant. The richly themed movie theater at the same time. It reminds me a cheap dollar theater. From the nineteen eighties. And I love both. Yes. So there's yeah. There's no venom in that statement. I love I love both. And so then we start to move in. And the first thing we see on the right as we're going. We see a vignette we see of Busby. Berkeley, he's foot light parade. Now. This was a movie that featured of apparently a bunch of women standing on each other's shoulders in cake formation to form a cake. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's fun. It's nineteen hundred totally get it. This to me, even though Esther Williams is actually not a part of this particular picture. It always kind of brought up those warm feelings of Esther Williams for me. There's they were some bubbles going on behind the scrim and just beautiful. Like, I don't know. I I remember seeing Esther Williams in those kinds of movies where women were synchronized swimming in the thirties. And I couldn't think of anything better. What I wanted to do. When I grew up you made a selling you're watching this in the thirties. You're not that old. But. And so we move on then to the left we see Gene Kelly as Don Lockwood in singing in the rain another faith. This is a done family favorite for sure show. I would I put this film up there with music man in Oklahoma, which are to my favorite musicals. Man. Yeah. Little shop, a horse is also. And I'll tell you what when they redid that whole dancing with the couch seen on dancing with the stars. I literally, cried tears. I was so excited. Yeah. Yes. Make him laugh. No. No. Oh, good morning. Yeah. Yeah. Oh to to two main street to good stuff. There's a real water rain. Yes, that's true down. And you get a really glossy coated. Gene. Kelly's you go by to give the impression that he's singing. Well. In the rain. As we move forward. Then we come into this rooftop scene another umbrella another umbrella. Okay. So far, it's all been rain in umbrella. Everything's connected listless. Keep everything connected starts with water rain umbrella, and the Mary Poppins umbrella K, and so now she's floating K out. We see her Mary Poppins and Bert on the London rooftops. We see these chimney sweeps silhouettes kinda rocking back and forth in the back, and Mary Poppins has her feet in adorable. Mary Poppins, flip pose that. She does straight out. Yes. Yep. And their shoes come on a love her. She's yeah. I'll have to notice next time. I think they're they're buckled. Seeing ex. Oh, I'm sorry. Guys. Sorry. Sensitive of me, then we move into speaking of unsensitive, we're moving to the underworld. The next scene is basically an Omar to the the Chicago gangster films any of the gangster films that we see that were so popular in the thirties in the forties. And as we go through we see this, you know, burn out hotel sign flashing. It's not the place you want your car to break down. No. It is not. And you see you see judgment night. Right. I don't I don't man that was a good movie. I don't think that there, and that was in Chicago to I don't think that there's trash blowing across but feels like there could be just fills filthy dirty and we come around slowly. And we see an animatronic of James Cagney the woman yelling. There's a woman yelling we hear the L train kind of going overhead, screeching cat screeching. And we hear. Then whispering gangsters. Now, there's there's two things we'll talk about this the mechanics of this in next week's episode. But depending where you depending the crowd levels that day at Hollywood studios, and depending which Carter in as you follow along you'll have different experiences at this gangster scene. And I'd like to note that the whispers are not like in church whispers. Yeah. Actually know any says what does he say his name is being is being his? Frank squid squid in Wien, wonderful lesser known squid. Toast somebody's coming. Somebody's coming. Dying squid referring to the vehicle says. Is it them? And then being says, nah, just a bunch of rubber neck tourist that would be us. Yeah. Lot. Hey, listen, here, squid, squid and beans. Okay. So that's what that's what happens in a shadow. Someone just saying guys, quiet. You're being too much because they're not church with me. I said that. So if if your ride vehicle does not just blow through the scene, you will stop, and there will be a red light on the traffic light above you. And then you'll hear all those whispers, and then we'll happen. Then is a Bugsy character, male or female will come out, and essentially what their name is what my Z Mugsy, not Bugsy. Yeah. Yeah. That would make sense Bugsy is a nother character Bugsy Malone Bologne, if this is Mike Z Bologne any case. They they will then get into some kind of shootout and our ride vehicle operator will Arturo guide will then leave and just run away. It all seems dangerous. Yeah. So whatever and then off to the right? There's this other old timey kinda it's probably not Bentley. But some kind of old timey vehicle appears on the ride and they start shooting overhead and then suddenly Mugsy takes over our ride vehicle and starts taking off. It's not always Mugsy though. Because sometimes it's a girl, I think they're all called Mugsy. Really, can I just say real quick the worst the the accent the better? And I mean that was so much respect. I love it was looking at some script stuff. They came across like, a I think it might have been official like kinda script like what to do and said don't don't be too crazy with the accent? Don't be cliche pretty much. Well, well, some of them weren't cliche because I couldn't nail down. Exactly, what parts all respect honest. I couldn't do any better. But it's just I just find it. So musing probably because I care come on. Yes. Episode one that Amy thought Peter Pan was going come on guys. Let's get out of here a wise guy. So anyway. At this point. If you do get a cast member that's not great at the accent. You're destroying to understand anything they say. But now if you have blown doesn't matter everybody's going now in the old west if I didn't experience, a hijacking, the new still have I guess, that's where the scary part, Mike. That's probably the words hijacking. And then you move into the old west. And so either you have your original ride tour guide or you have now Mugsy in control go through and you're now into the old west, and this is a old west seen and Omar to the old western films. You see Clint Eastwood as the cow the man with no name the caliph. No name the man with the name the man with no cow. And then on the left you see John Wayne sane. Hey, partner or pilgrim or whatever. And then now if you have not experienced yet, the the the shootout, and he just blew through the underworld scene. Now, you're going to stop in front of the. And then it will be the. Some guy somebody will come out. I don't know if we know their name, but a guy or a gal will come out, and it's some cowboy ish name. I don't even know if they received their name Patsy or Clive. Uh-huh. So either pats Clive. And another shootout will in in in sue. And when it's happening is in getting hijacked by a gang, sir. You're now being hijacked by cowboy. Who knows how to operate a modern vehicle a horseless carriage? If you will and knows how to use a PA system. Right. Immediately knows that that he's going to communicate. He's not gonna yell back at everybody. He's going to pick up that he or she will pick up that CBS or talking to people. So yeah, I'll tell you. I've been up front with with the gangsta, and I've been up front with the cowboy and those Cowboys are heck up lot more flirty than the gangster. Really? I didn't know. This is this when I wasn't there. Okay. Now, here's Mike. Now, this is where I want to call Mythbusters. Because what happens is the the cowboy the bandit comes out shoots at the law across our heads. Somebody falls down, right? No, no, no. Stunt show this call I don't think anybody falls down. So he's one blam blam blam. And then he he's holding a bunch of dynamite. And then he he fires a bullet at the dynamite at the at the fuse. And then he throws it into the Bank. And then the Bank explodes in outcomes. All these flames is really depends on what kind of gun he has. Because if there's like gunpowder where you've had like boom ask you the last time you've seen by shoot anything in that just set on fire. Well, I'm not usually in those kinds of situations yesterday. Well, believe me, okay. I've seen a lot of TV happens way point, this is the movies. And if they want to light a stick a dynamite with a gun, then go right ahead. Maybe it's one of those lighter guns. Oh, yeah. So then as we move in pass that scene we end up in the scene from alien on the Strom, oh ship, and we see Sigourney Weaver. Now it say call outs the waiver. They they say we're on we're on Strom with Gorny Weaver. They don't say Ellen Ripley. They call her by her. It's very rails. Very meta. It's very weird. But then they then the yell out warning remain in your vehicle. This is a dangerous situation. So I don't know if that's just part of the drama, or if they think people will be so scared they're gonna camping. Noise from the movie that. Somebody is the point where they feel like maybe somebody fire alarm. Yeah. I just have good old-fashioned freak out and just like try to ship. Maybe they think they're on spaceship or thin. Turning around through the ride, and they're like, we need to make sure these people stay in their car now. Somebody with a stop watch just realize. Time to get off the short term memory probably need to be reminded. So. So so then we get through we give well actually before we get to that. We actually get to experience the alien itself. To the right dripping. Do also where we see Sigourney Weaver in the hallway looking very frightened. She's very that's the one where she is the key ponytail. She doesn't have a ponytail the movie, she it's not in the ride just short hair. Well, number when I got bangs like, oh my gosh. I feel. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So and you're a weird fifteen year old. No fifteen year old of all my gosh. I look like Gordon. Gordon and stuff down. This is the Gorny Weaver in the hallway with a gun the acid goo. So we see this Unum more come down from above. And then also on the side, and sometimes that didn't work, and it was kind of disappointing. Terrifying. Did it was all spill out in like dropping down on did see ONA? I like had a near panic attack every time until she grew up large and magic nations, she does vivid. You do. Well, and so we we get through that. And I'm a big fan of the scene because I like HR Giger, and I like his aesthetic. And so to be able to go through mistrial is really cool. So then we pass through a curtain of fog, and then we get to raiders of the lost ark. And we hear that great theme song music from John Williams. And then we see off to our right? We see Indy and Sallah lifting the arc from its resting place. And then we breeze past them now. And we look we see these giant jackal statues. Am I made her cool making this up or can you look up and see the like the the open portal, not the portal? But like the big open door not, but whatever up in the middle like with the with the rope hanging down my making that type thing. Yeah. And there's a there's a row pain down. Right. Yeah. And they're snakes everywhere. There was a hidden Donald. Oh, amy. I'm surprised you're bringing that up. I think you're just gonna have to listen to next week's episode. And so you go past that they're lifting it just like one child of the eighties. I just love this so much to be able to see that in here. Really? Feel like it's so fun. And then we go pass out into another room, which is very similar. We feel like we're in the same space. But it's just a different thing. Now there now we're basically at this gyp Shen temple altar in a pyramid. Maybe I don't know where exactly are kind of feels like the cover your heart Indy. Yeah. Like temple of doom perhaps. And so you're you're looking up at the stairs. And we see we see that. There's this jewel. Kind of is it in a bug or something like it's in and is is much more sellable to the gangster wanting to go get the jewel. Yeah. Cowboy what does he do gangsters that big old piece of ice or whatever? Yeah. Like, they ran up there. But I don't remember what the cowboy says. But they they run up the stairs. And they grow they grab it will it will. Here we go. We have this piece of audio here from the right? Gone. The new. So two notes on this number one. The guy sounds like will Ferrell. I don't know why we all have to pay with our lives. Right. Number two. This guy would make a terrible church greeter. Unbeliever? Is the tour guide. Well, they. Yes. We didn't see that yet. But the cooked mysterious figure that we see saying all of this is our guide is our tour. Right. So so the the cowboy or the gangster runs up the stairs reaches for that jewel. After hearing that warning does not heed the warning. And there's a big puff of smoke. And then suddenly our tour guide turns into a skeleton. Yeah. The gangster tour turns or the couch turns into skeleton, we applaud which is weird. We're the happiest place on earth. And and we're applauding someone Mets demise instill turn into a skeleton mysterious figure or tour guide takes the cloak off to the side and says scene, and then that's when we all clap fake it. Okay. We're good. Good. Okay. So then quickly than we move into the next room, which is kind of sills like we're in the same space. But maybe at the end of it, and we see a bunch of really quick it's quick it's a protest collection of of and almost zombie like creatures. It's definitely. The horn like red. And then we move in then to Tarzan and classic movie. Still weird to me that they really committed all that space to Tarzana. And then when we look to our left, we see cheetah we see Jane sitting on elephant. And then we bounty of fruit. Yes. And then to our right? We we hear that distinctive. Call. Thank you. And then we see a very very glossy Tarzan comes winging through. I don't know. They just like they put extra shellac on this guy. The maybe he got caught with the alien. Maybe he did. And he was sweated out on the no Strom. But any case if you end up in the Weissmuller, I think, isn't it. If you end up in the back, you see that that part at least ten times, and if you're sitting more you get a good look at that him swinging by and then turning around on the vine and coming back, and for some reason sounds like a tree is about the fall every time he comes through. And so then we move past that, and then we get to this nice little scene of CASA Blanca, and we'll see a Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman who looks like who my friend. Betsy looks just like Berman Berkman. She does shot off the Betsy. Hi, betsy. She's a sweetheart. I'm sure Ingrid Bergman was too. I have no idea. And then then we see the plane kind of starting up there doing the classic lines there from the movie, and then we then move past this, very brief part. There's an it feels a little weird. It's a little awkward partner. It's a corner. There's a reason why this is awkward and you can find out next week on our companion episode. But. We we see Mickey to our left. We see the sources apprentice the classic seen from Fantasia. And we see Mickey commanding the waves in for very long time. It was very grainy. It was weird. It was one of the few times that we saw Mickey featured in an attraction yet. It was terrible footage. It was weird back projected and stuff. I get it. I get it because the age, but you would have just thought they would have been like way touchy about making it awesome every other room that you've been through as like so detailed, and so everything, and then you get to this corner really corner, and it's a black room. Yeah. Well, there's a reason for that. Well, I don't like this. I did his I remember go through it. And it was the coldest room in the ride while really. So even the Orlando weather, you don't want that coldest room. What? Did I I said, I don't like it. What you do? Because if. Oh, yeah. I don't follow. But okay. I do. I do. Next. And then then we get into this. I mean, this is fantastic. No wonder this is the finale or the at least the last big seen that we see and we get into the the land of Oz. Perhaps not even the land of. I'm not sure technically I'm not that well versed in the stories, but we get into munchkin land for sure in fact, we hear the munchkin singing the song munchkin land. And then as we kind of slowed down, and we we we look around we see the little houses we see the yellow bec- road. We see, you know, them coming up out of manholes and poking their head out of windows. It is very very fun. It is super super cool. And then of course, the wicked witch of the west shows up we see the wicked witch of the east actually little turtle toes are all curl that awesome tights underneath the the Dorothy house, and then as we get to the front there. Then suddenly, the spectacular animatronic very well done rivaled a lot of a lot of the other more sophisticated animatronic audio animatronic, but this is the wicked witch she makes them threatening stuff to us and the the tour guide blows it off. And then we just begin moving through again. And we just say she'll bite her time by your time and your little dog too. And then we get the yellow we hear all the yellow brick road. And and then we moved through we see one final scene witches. The poppy field in front of emerald city where we see Dorothy. Unmanned scarecrow and the lion. And then finally we end up in this grand finale theater scene, where at least in the final years of this attraction, we had Robert Osborne from TC M setting us up in basically sets up a three three minute film on Taj, and let's take fifteen seconds to name all the films that we remember from there all sorts Star Wars. Hello, Dolly, good morning, Vietnam. South by southwest. Some Charlie Chaplin. Maybe tangled. What's that one where he kisses her on the beach beaches? Oh from here to turn any now. That's one way kisses around the beach. Okay. Evanger, bur Burt Lancaster in Donna Reed said that is a little boy, I bet that was wrong were really wrong. All vendors. Indiana Jones Tootsie Chicago of the jazz singer. Lots of them. And so there's three minutes, they cram a bunch in its everything. But guess what? No, universal films. Of course. And then finally we move then through. And this is the really where you get the sense. Like, if you if you've not figured out before it's when you when you move into this this area to watch this little montage that the other car pulls up next to you. And you realize oh, I've been sitting in like a theater seat this whole time. So that's kind of fun. And then when the stunned the doors open, and you slowly move through and you go back through the sound stage and. Do you see the same kind of backlots the the the the same area? Same. Yeah. But maybe you see a little bit more of kind of the corner turn into it. A little extra. Yeah. You see like more like elect-, electrical stuff, you know, boxes, and and all the circuits and all that end. Then finally come back feeling you don't I'm gonna fire this up more time because I want you to give us the safety announcement on behalf of the Disney's Hollywood studios, I'd like to thank you for joining us on the great movie ride now before we do wrap this production. We still have one more scene to do is called the exit. The action begins with you remaining seated until we come to a complete stop. Then you all of your personal belongings and take a small. Small trial by the hand small child. Children right hand. Now. Once he's doors open, you'll rise dramatically to your feet and make a grand exit directly to the rare vehicle. Oh, and one more thing when I call action don't forget to don't forget the thunder supplies for your guide. Action. Now, I will suggest that you do rise dramatically you will get laughs. And that's a good thing. Entertaining. Perfect. Perfect. So that is our right through of the great movie right next week. Join us because we're going to have a companion episode for the great movie ride. We're going to talk about the secrets of the rind the history of the ride hidden Mickey's of the ride as well as other places in the park that shoot in the parks that you might experience this, right or pieces of right? Yeah. So that should be fun. And we're really happy to be doing this kind of companion or this this kind of extinct thing. We'll try to do this more often. But this was a lot of fun. What do you guys think? What do you think about the upcoming ride? Many and Mickey's runaway railway way railroad. Mixed reviews on that. Because it better be darned good taken out the great movie ride. Yeah. I agree. But listen, everything rests in that Mickey basket, there is no way they're going to mess this up. I want to say the name before we got to far I actually don't think Jesse rise dramatically because you can't do that anymore. Maybe doing another rides. But when anytime you can get a laugh for rising dramatically, do it. Do it. But yeah, I I don't I don't wanna talk about it. Okay. The next ride. All right. Maybe we'll get something out of you for the companion episode next week. All right. Hey, we'll listen. We want lists. How? Hey, y'all. Thanks for listening. Just a quick reminder. You can you can keep up with this throughout the week on our social channels on Instagram. We are at right through pavilion on Pinterest. We are at right through pavilion, Twitter, we are at right through pod. And if your podcast app allows you to review a podcast, please be sure to do that it it. It allows us to. Be more relevant number one. We'll take what you say a heart. But also, the more reviews, we get the more relevant. We become to people who are looking for podcast like this one. 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Ep. 1: The Type that Sends Roses

Cold

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Ep. 1: The Type that Sends Roses

"This podcast includes discussion of rape and sexual assault abuse murder and other criminal behaviour listener. Discretion is advised. susan Did not expect what greeted her when she walked through the doors of the america first credit union branch where she worked a dozen yellow roses in a bud vase sitting on her desk. They just had a little note on them to a friend. There's his thank you for being a friend or something like that. What friend could have sent her a dozen roses without so much as signing a name. Susan moved the flowers to her credentials. Thinking it must be a mistake. Accepted happened again. Another dozen yellow roses arrived a couple of days later again bearing a card that read. Thank you for being a friend. She again set the flowers aside. I mean they were beautiful flowers. But when you're getting getting them so that they don't even write their name on the card. It makes you nervous that feeling only intensified at the end of the week when a third batch of roses arrived they had come from a place. Called gabby floral. Susan phoned the company and asked who had sent them. They told me that it was a young kid. Came in pay cash for and said some flowers. This would mirer. Game was not endearing. Some stranger who refused to identify himself was harassing susan. Her unease soured into outright fear. Because every day. I'd walk out looking around the credit union thinking. You know what's going to happen. She told the florist not to accept any more deliveries in her name. But susan once again received a dozen yellow long stem roses at the start of the next week they had come from different florist. A place called candlelight in the nearby city of layton and i called them and they said the same thing happened. A young kid came in pay cash for him and they send them out and i told him i wouldn't accept them. This flood of flowers had to have cost the sender. Hundreds of dollars while yellow roses are meant to symbolize friendship. Susan couldn't shake the sense of dread the blooms had brought with them. She wondered if someone might be trying to manipulate her. She did after all have access to sensitive information. She didn't dare think what other intentions the man who sent the flowers might. Have you know who it is. If you know the person and you know a reason but for any normal person roses every other day like that you did i mean to me. It is what kind of guy would blast the woman. He didn't know with a barrage of bouquets scared to death. This is cold season two episode. One the type that sends roses from podcasts. I'm dave collie we'll be right back if you draw a line on a map between the cities of minneapolis. Minnesota and winnipeg manitoba. Then stick your finger in the middle of that line. you'll find yourself pointing at a small college town called bemidji george and hold a feigel. Residents of bemidji welcomed their third daughter. Joyce lynn fagel on january third nineteen forty-six. Joyce had two sisters the oldest. Dorothy was nineteen years. Joyce's senior edna. The middle child was also significantly older graduating from high school. The same year as joyce's birth. The final family lived on a farm on the outskirts of time. The older girls helped to their mother. Raise little joyce nicknaming their baby sister pinky a reference to a popular brand of pacifier. George fago worked as a groundskeeper at the bemidji town and country club. A post he had held for decades but by the time. Joyce was old enough to enroll in school. George was nowhere to be found as teen. Joyce met a boy named mel roberts very attractive grow. Miller was a few years older. He was a senior in high school. When joyce was a freshman and found himself smitten. She's had a outgoing personality. Friendly bubbly. happy go lucky. They dated for the better part of a year. You know we'd go to football games and basketball games. we'd follow the like during the tournaments and whatnot. We we go watch. The highschool teams play. Their relationship took a turn. No when at age fifteen joyce learned she was pregnant. Hold if. I took news of her unmarried teenage daughters pregnancy hard. I went out to her house on saturday morning and walked in the our shoes in the kitchen make mckay. She worshiped around. I walked on. She spun around and left. When was victory the fagel family traced its roots back to germany and scandinavia. Been lutherans long as anyone could remember. They went to church religiously every sunday and she went through her. The lutheran confirmation with his two years. Hold a told joyce she shouldn't raise her baby shows gonna put her in a lutheran home. Give the baby up for adoption. Mel had a different idea. Keep the baby and to get married. Joycean i sat there and talked for a few hours. And then she finally came in may now headed by. That point started classes at bemidji state college. When i found out she was pregnant. I dropped out of college and when found a job lacking experience or references. Mel went from business to business knocking on doors until he ended up at a metal stamping company. The manager invited his office. He said you have a girl pregnant. And i looked like he was on mars. Come to find out. His son was in the same circumstances. Similar age to me. And i was guys think. That's probably why this job interview took place at about three in the afternoon. The manager told male. His shift started at six. And i ended up working in that business restaura- joyce and male married in january of nineteen sixty two. Joyce gave birth to a daughter whom they named him about four months later. Joyce became a fulltime mother at the age of sixteen. She dropped out of school and moved with her new husband to minneapolis a year. Later they welcomed a second child a son named greg. You look back on how you survived. It was pretty amazing kids today. I couldn't do that. They made friends with their new neighbors. But didn't have much time for socializing. Mel worked non-stop joyce's favourite. Pastime seemed to be sunbathing guys. Land the sun when it was forty degrees up she would even drag the laundry into the yard so she could do the ironing in the sun. Each summer choice would take the kids and spend a week or two visiting her sister edna in duluth on the western tip of lake superior and spent a tremendous amount of time with kim and greg when they were little dorothy joyce's oldest sibling had by then moved away to utah. She and joyce struggled to stay in touch during this period. Relying mostly on letters back then. It wasn't like you had cell phone store. We didn't come from wealthy families so long distance calls back then were expensive. Long distance phone calls were not the only luxury they had to forego. Mel joyce were in over their heads. The odds of that succeeding are pretty remote. Joyce took jobs waitressing in the evenings. She couldn't find better paying gigs in part because she had never finished high school. The stress of her situation began to feel like a vice. She wanted out. Joyce filed for divorce after just a handful of years. Had we not been so young a sure the relationship would have been far more successful. The separation did not solve joyce's problems. Instead it brought on different set of challenges. Money grew even more tight forcing her to work two or three jobs at a time unfortunately had workloads so the kids spend some time alone and whatnot but every choice dating in her early twenties with two young children also proved difficult. She had a few bad experiences with boyfriends. That left her. In mel's words screwed up by that show and i think she struggling about schmidt as well mel had remained close to joyce their children. And even joyce's mother hulda in spite of the divorce but forces beyond his control soon swept him away. The government drafted mellon to the us army in nineteen sixty eight. Joyce needed a fresh start. She decided to leave. Minnesota to take our kids kim and greg and had west following her sister. Dorothy trail to utah. Monin level had three sons the oldest nineteen year old russell was playing a game with seventeen year. Old royce at the family's home in the city of you into utah. The baby of the family fourteen year old doug watched from the sidelines moaning interrupted telling the boys he ended their mother had news to share. Doug could tell it was not good. I remember thinking to myself that they were going to tell us someone in the family died. That is not doug's actual voice. But they are his words taken from a letter written many years later. Tears welled in moans is. He told his sons he and his wife shirley were divorcing. After nearly twenty years of marriage monin saw of shock on the boys faces. I never seen my mom or dad fight and neither had my two older brothers. We were the perfect family. So i thought except they weren't royce was beginning to dabble with drugs. Doug had been getting into trouble himself. He had gone to juvenile court a year prior when he was just thirteen for theft. I can still clearly here. My father's voice saying you kids need to decide who you want to live with. It was more than i could handle. How dare they make me pick between them moan and told his boys. He was moving out of the house that very day. Doug bolted to his feet and ran out of the room it was september of nineteen seventy-two russell. The oldest would soon turn twenty and could live on his own rois. It was decided would follow his father to his new apartment. Doug would remain with his mother. Shirley doug level had spent his earliest years on a farm on the fringe of utah's vast west desert. Both of his parents were themselves from oak city. We had all the animals that belonged on a farm and then some animals were the love of my life. And i had lots of them. The farm life was not to last moan and had taken a job with the us air force and when doug was ten moved his family north to the suburbs of ogden near hill air force base. Doug started finding trouble not long after he got into schoolyard fights remember back in school. When two boys had a problem with each other they would meet after school and fight. The worst that might happen is a bloody nose or black eye and developed a habit for swiping property. That did not belong to him. Doug turned fifteen in january of seventy three days before the courts finalized. His parents divorce. He landed back in juvenile court. The following november on criminal counts of theft and burglary. Soon after at age sixteen. The courts decided he could answer the same question. His brothers had before which parent would choose to live with. I never could pick. I stayed with mom. And then i felt guilty for not being with my dad. I always felt whoever i was living with. The other one was thinking that i love them. Less monin remarried two years after the split from shirley to a woman named dorothy she brought seven children of her own to their blended family. Doug bounce back and forth between his parents until in the summer of seventy five. He lost the ability to choose. He dropped out of school and once again. Run afoul of the law. The juvenile court sent him to the utah state industrial school. For a ninety day observation and assessment. The industrial school wasn't a prison but life. There was not like home. Doug could not come and go as he pleased. He lived in a dorm with other kids. Whom the state had also deemed juvenile delinquents. Schools stated aim was rectifying behavioral issues underlying criminal activity in wayward kids helping them correct their courses before they became adults. That time was fast approaching for doug. He finished his assessment at the school and turned eighteen in january of seventy six. He moved in with his brother russell. Who was then living in a mobile home in the city of clearfield. Doug worked menial jobs to pay his way and spent his free time. Hunting playing in the mountains and riding his dirt bike Joyce arrived in utah with her school aged kids and greg and no safety net. She moved her little family in with her sister. Does who lived in the suburb of clearfield. Just west of hill air force base. Kim remembered her mother and aunt dot. As dorothy was known being very close they would laugh and laugh laugh. They had so much fun so much fun soon. Found work in the nearby city of ogden. A now defunct department store chain majority owned by the church of jesus christ of latter day saints had a few years earlier opened a sprawling branch store at the corner of ogden's four th street and washington boulevard. Joyce took a sales position at the cosmetics counter. Greg told me his mother did well at this. No doubt because she looked the part. She was dressed to the nines. She had a lot of close in working at c. Semi in bond. Marsha she'd she'd put things on and they'd go on sale and further sailed further salad. She'd end up with these outfits for next to nothing. So joyce had developed this sense of frugal fashion very young inheriting from her mother. She used it paired with her gregarious personality to great effect. I still have ladies of come up to me until i knew your mother and happens all the time. Securing steady work allowed joyce to move out of her sister does home before long. She found a place not too far away in the neighboring community of sunset. The landlord lived in the basement and his son and we lived upstairs. She also met a man by the name of george jooste. George drove a buick electra. Two twenty-five he car of titanic proportions. We could swim around the back of their tickets to get ice cream. Just always take a sunday drive. Go look nice homes and things like that and go get ice cream at far. Nobody had seat belts on. Joyce and george married this. Cotton mel roberts joyce's first husband by surprise. I don't know what that whole deal with about. Maybe security. I don't know the last ten years so of joyce's life had been turbulent but she seemed to be putting down new roots her george but holmdale giorgio spot home together. This did not last. She was married to george host for about three years just weird elementary school and junior high. Joyce divorced george. After just a few short years leaving her to once again provide as a single mother monin level and his second wife. Dorothy rose early on the morning of january. Sixth nineteen seventy seven. They had plans down south in salt lake city. They were just on their way out the door when at about eight thirty. Am their phone rang. Dorothy answered a man on the other end of the line identified himself as office parks from the ogden. Police department parks said he needed to speak with dorothy then. Twenty one year old stepson royce. Dorothy said royce was asleep but given it was the police calling. She decided to wake him. She ended the phone off to royce. Then she and monin left. They return about four hours later around noon when they came through the door of their home. They saw royce on the floor in a corner of the living room between the couch and stereo a small prescription pill bottle containing the psychotropic. Anti anxiety medication. Librium sat on a nearby table in a panic and grabbed his son and pulled him into the center of the room. Thinking he had just passed out. Royce had not passed out. He dead royces brothers russell and doug. We're working together at the time. Monin called russell and told him to grab doug and get home quick. They came through the door and saw royce's body. My legs gave out. And i found myself crawling to him as i held my brother's lifeless body in my arms. I remember pleading him to wake up again. Those are doug's words taken from a letter he wrote years later. Monin and russell had to drag doug then just weeks shy of his nineteenth birthday off. Royce's body this demonstration of emotion was notable royce and doug had been at one another's throats constantly as children but their relationship had deepened as teenagers. I always seen my brother is being bigger than life. Just being with him. I always felt safe insecure yet just the day before royces death he doug had had a furious fight. It didn't quite come to blows but it was close. I remember us standing face to face shouting at each other. We were so close i could feel the tiny splashes of spit and the warmth from his mouth. Doug had expected to take a punch. But roy said instead walked away after the fight neither brother would reveal to the rest of the family just what it had been about. There was no doubt that i loved him. In fact my love for royce was so strong. I have traded my life for his the police. Cain monan. Dorothy told officer what had happened. How they had found royce in a bizarre position in a corner of the room. They mentioned the morning phone call from a man calling himself parks with the ogden police. The officer called ogden pd and asked to speak with parks. Only to be told there was no such person employed with the the officer noted something else a scrap of paper sitting on the floor near the front door. It appeared to be a page out of a paperback book printed text on the page read sugar and spice and everything nice acid and smack no way back. This was the tagline from a bestselling novel titled. Go ask alice written. By a woman named beatrice sparks. The book was originally marketed. As a true account taken from an anonymous teenage girls diary of her slide into addiction and debt sparks is dead now but her claim that the manuscript was a true account became a matter of some dispute later in her writing career. Suffice it to say. The book carried a strong anti-drug message and was widely popular in the seventies. How a page of. It came to be in the same room. As the body of royce level was not clear an autopsy would later revealed the presence of the needle tracks on royce's arms and legs. Toxicology testing showed the presence. Not only of librium but also valium and amphetamines in his system. The coroner listed the cause of death as an accidental overdose. Monin had his doubts. He told investigators. There were other circumstances surrounding the death that made him believe it was not an accident royces. Death came just days before he was scheduled to act as a state's witness in a robbery case at the mortuary mona noticed what he thought were bruises on his hands neck and across the bridge of his nose. A small ceramic dog figure that typically sat on the fireplace mantle in the same room. Where roy said died appeared to have been moved as well suggesting to monin someone might have used it as a bludgeon. Police were never able to verify these suspicions and they closed the case. Joyce had not been divorced from her second husband giorgio host for long before she became close with another man his name was floor and be nelson was a big part of her life for many years nails as he was better known was an air force. Man he'd been born in nineteen twenty one and played football for the university of utah before joining the us. Army air corps six months. After japan's surprise attack on pearl harbor nails ended up piloting the revered p fifty one mustang fighter during the second world wars waning months flying combat missions over europe. All of this before joyce had even been born nails owned a boat on summer weekends. He and joyce would take it out on willard bay a freshwater reservoir adjacent to the great salt lake where they would fish for walleye. She loved to sunday than she looked. Go boating with nails big part of her life. So greg was in the ninth grade. When he told his mom he had decided what he wanted to be when he grew up told her and her sister island be a dentist and they just thought that was so neat. You we didn't really have any denison family. Sure winds chose that they made quite a big deal of it and it kinda be meted a bigger goal of mine to have their support. Mel felt a little more skeptical of his sons plan. Yeah i don't know where he where he ever came up. There was nothing. I promoted was nothing choice provided but greg had his mind set. It was just something that he wanted to do. Monin level tried to cancel his wayward son asking why doug kept breaking the law. It seemed to monin that doug had the mind of a thirteen year old. Even though he was approaching twenty his single piece of advice stop committing crimes. Doug did not listen. He was picked up for possession of a controlled substance in late. Nineteen seventy seven and sent to jail for three months. Doug went out and stole some lumber around this same time and was charged and convicted of felony theft. In fact he had two separate theft cases going simultaneously in two different counties. They each qualified for prison sentences but the two judges after comparing notes opted for probation. This was rather remarkable. Considering dogs rap sheet there was a hitch though doug had to serve part of that probation period at the lake hills community corrections center a halfway house in salt lake city there doug was to receive training and treatment to help him reform his pattern of bad behavior. Doug had to live at lake hills during the week but was free to hold a daytime job and to spend saturdays and sundays off site a far less restrictive punishment than prison. He attended a party with a girlfriend in the city of roy wile away from lake hills on one such weekend a young woman. He knew not the girl he was there with. Spotted him coming through the door. She stood up. Laval what are you doing she asked. It's been so long. Her name. Was rhonda butters doug and rhonda had. I met as kids when they had shared the same sixth grade class at club heights elementary school. They had never been close but were acquainted through junior high and high school. That is right up until doug had dropped out dog and rhonda started chatting much to the annoyance of doug's date. He eventually took that young lady home then returned to the party. To continue. Flirting with rhonda. They ended up leaving the party together. Later that night in rondos camaro they bumped into each other again a short time later while attending a funeral for a mutual friend from this spring the seed of a relationship they started dating. Rhonda would drive down to lake hills on friday nights and pick up her new boyfriend. They would go to dinner or the movies before. Rhonda would drop doug off at his dad or brothers place. Then on sunday nights she would return him to the halfway house. This continued until april of seventy eight when doug completed his time at lake hills and once again became a freeman closing. Time was fast approaching at the you. Save market the grocery store at the corner of ogden's seventh street and monroe boulevard typically locked doors for the day at eight pm. Bill workman the manager at the stores for end was in the process of counting the day's receipts when at two pm. Two men came through the door. One of them pot-bellied and wearing a plaid flannel shirt. On buttoned down the front carried a handgun. A nylon stocking obscured his face. The second man who was thinner followed a step behind the lead man pointed the gun at bill and told him to take them to the safe and open it. Which bill did the second man then grabbed a pair of cash drawers which held the bulk of the days sales as this was happening. Another you save employee named kelly sherrod was closing up her station at the back corner of the building. She wasn't able to hear the commotion upfront and the store was really quite a large store. Kelly was eighteen fresh out of high school and working at the save market six nights a week that particular day in august. I was working the drive in window in doing the gasp. So the drive up window allowed customers to pull up in their car asked the clerk there for a few items then pay without having to step foot inside because what happens. Is people line up in their car. Get their gallon of milk or soda. Cottage cheese can you run across the store and get me some cottage cheese. Come closing time. It was kelly's job to shut down her station. That meant going outside to lock a metal grate over the window to disconnect an air compressor hose and to record readings on a set of gas pumps located in the parking lot. I would have to subtract the digits from the day before and that way they can measure how much gas had been used. Kelly carried a pen and notebook for this task. She stepped out into an alley behind the store and was startled to see a car parked. There you know so the car was there to way it was a four door. They all along with a man crouched down near the back bumper. The car was parked near the air. Compressor hose kelly thought. Maybe he was filling a flat tire except he wasn't using their hose. I popped it off of the building it up and set it just on the ground. I didn't take it back. In many cars built in the sixties had their fuel caps tucked away behind the rear license plate. Kelly next thought the man might be stuffing a rag down the tanks filler pipe. Yeah 'cause i thought he had lost his cap. She had to walk past the car and the man in order to perform other tasks. So i said hello to him. He jumped up. Kelly told me the man acknowledged her with a hello of his own. I knew he was close to my age despite he had long hair. Very distinct mustache. Which i noted and i know that he had the same color. Blue is as i did. That's how close i was to. She continued past him rounding the northeast corner of the building. She walked out to the gas pumps then turned around to face back toward the building. And i'm standing at the gas pump. And i noted that that car had kind of pulled out just then two men came running around the front side of the store. Off to kelly's left. They were sprinting. She saw one of them had a handgun and these till individuals running down. The side of the store took nylon stockings off their heads. The front end manager. Bill workman wasn't far behind. He didn't chase them just to the edge and he yelled we're being robbed and that just changed my whole thing. I'm thinking okay. I'm gonna write down license plate. The two men dove into the car before she could do anything of the sort. The heavier guy. The one with the gun landed in the backseat. He noticed her standing at the gas pumps staring a guy in the backseat. Told me if you know what's good you'll stand so. I stood tires squealed in a burnout as the young man with a moustache stomped on the accelerator and i actually saw the license plate. They pulled out. I had a notebook. And i thought all this right down the license plate it was covered so he was not putting a rag in the gas tank for missing cap. He was covering the license plate. The car roared into traffic into disappeared. Kelly scribbled down a few notes about what she had just seen. They proved useful when ogden police showed up minutes later. When out and talk to me about where were you standing. what did you do. Kind of reenactment wrote a verbal report. Probably spent waste an hour hour and a half with them talking to us. Meantime officers were tracking down the car. They found it parked outside an apartment. Two miles to the north cash and change littered the floorboard along with a box of twenty two caliber. Ammunition knocked on the apartment door with their own guns drawn. A man wearing a blue flowered shirt answered and handed over his id. Which bore the name. Ray dodge ray was the guy who had grabbed the cash drawers from the you save markets safe. Ray had spent much of his adult life in prison in the late sixties. He had mounted a legal challenge. On behalf of some fellow state prison inmates resulting in two thousand nine of them going free. There were two other people in the apartment with ray but neither matched the descriptions of the gunman or getaway driver. The officers interviewed them and determined the driver. The guy with the bushy moustache was a twenty year. Old man named doug level doug had swapped into another car a seventy-three pontiac grand am as soon as he arrived at the apartment with ray and the other robber the officers put out an ap. Be on the pontiac and utah. Highway patrol trooper founded abandoned behind a car. Wash a couple of hours later. Police wasted no time securing an arrest warrant for doug. He surrendered the following day ogden. Police soon identified the other. Robber as cheryl chestnut like ray dodge cheryl was a career criminal he had. I gone to prison in the fifties for burglary soon after his release in sixty five cheryl had taken a pair of utah highway patrol troopers captive at gunpoint during a traffic stop. How had a young man like doug level fallen in with these kinds of hardened ins both of whom were at least twenty years his senior. He was a young kid. That was doing the wrong thing. Kelly picked cheryl ray and doug from a lineup and she realized it was not the first time she had seen their faces. I knew when. I pick those guys out of the lineup. I had seen them in the store they had cased the store and planned the heist. They had known what time to arrive. And where to park the getaway car to avoid being seen they had made sure to obscure their faces and had accounted for contingencies. Other than i don't believe they knew what the back window cashier did coming out and that doug could have rolled over on his accomplices. But didn't it made little difference as sheryl and ray were quickly convicted and sent back to prison. Although doug had only acted as the getaway driver under the law he was just as culpable prosecutors filed. A first degree felony charge of armed robbery against him. He went to trial in november of seventy eight. I did get called as a witness to go to court. On doug level. The prosecutor jones told kelly what to expect. Kelly felt a little nervous but also confident about what she had seen. That confidence only grew on the day of her testimony. He's cleaned up. He's in a business suit. But i knew it was him. There was no question. Doug had supporters in the courtroom his new girlfriend rhonda butters among them. The judge had assigned dug a public defender by the name of john kane. John was a young up and coming lawyer. Who'd been admitted to the bar. In the fall of seventy three and almost immediately gone to work on a major death penalty case the ogden hi-fi shop murders. I will have more to say about that in a later. Episode canes defense proved insufficient kelly. The only witness who could place doug at the scene of the robbery shared her account with the jury. I do know that. His role was to drive that car. The jurors found doug guilty utah the penalty for the crime of aggravated robbery at no less than five years in prison and possibly up to life but when doug went back to court for sentencing a couple of weeks later judge ronald hyde said he would not be sending doug to prison. He instead enrolled dug in a course known as the public offenders program at the utah state hospital. This was a treatment focused inpatient program for quote emotionally disturbed individuals the state hospital and asylum operated under the direction of the utah division of mental health. Doug would have to meet guidelines set by an agency called adult probation and parole but if he kept out of trouble he could serve a much abbreviated term at the hospital while retaining many of his personal freedoms just as he had done at the halfway house and the state institutional school. It didn't work. Parole officer wrote dug up for failing to abide by the treatment program. The following june judge hide ordered. Doug back to court and imposed the original sentence so on august eighth nineteen seventy-nine almost one year since the robbery. Doug found himself reunited with his accomplices. Ray dodge and cheryl chestnut as an inmate at the utah state prison. Joyce joost's daughter. Kim roberts met a young man through some mutual friends not long. After starting classes at roy high school his name was randy. Salazar randy would at times drop by to visit kim at her mom's place that's how he was first introduced to joyce she's goodly worker. I'll tell you what as well as kim's younger brother. Greg remember within lived in herefordshire apartments in roy and even joyce's boyfriend nails and her sister dorothy and uh whenever there was a barbecue we got together dot would be out there with her little drinking or cigarette and twists view after two. And we just. We used to have some pretty good than people. Randy was a few years older than kim. He graduated ahead of her. They stayed in touch though and even started dating. that quickly. progressed to marriage in nineteen seventy. Nine randy was twenty. And kim was seventeen. She loved randy Granny he's a character. Kim had married young just like her mother randy for his part got along very well with his new mother-in-law amid some she gave me some advice. Some some stern advice which is good. You know joyce was herself only thirty three years old at this point but she had been through two marriages and knew a bit about relationships. She was still dating nails. Who had been married before and had children of his own. Neither joyce nor nails seemed in any kind of rush to get married themselves. They had moved in together though sharing a condo. Just west of state university. Greg who was still in high school lived with them. Randy sometimes joked to his young bride if she looked as good as her mother did in her thirties. He would be a lucky man she she was a very very acid buf- lady she was. She was always dressed. Maxwell lips were always just read with another ten on of lipstick. Her hair was always fixed up. Nice her make amateurs just. She was very very beautiful lady she was. It wasn't just joyce's physical appearance. That impressed randy. She was hardworking. Darn good provider. Not only joys work fulltime at m. i. the in kenya. She's to sell estee lauder and she was pretty darn good at it too. She also supplemented her income cocktail waitressing at night. Elks club lou. Monaco's in roy It's the name of that. One in my lai lamplight lamplight. Joyce would come home from her shift at the club after one. Am m knowing. She had to rise early the next morning to be back at the cosmetics counter. She did it so that we had everything that we ever wanted or needed. She made sure of that but we didn't have a lot of time with her. Doug level was just two days shy of the one year anniversary of a rival at the utah state prison when he received his chance to go before the utah board of pardons and parole on august. Sixth nineteen eighty the board of pardons had and still has today broad authority under the utah constitution. It's the board of pardons not any judge that decides how much time somebody who has sent to prison by the state courts really serves impressed. The board and you can shorten your stay. Board hearings are audio recorded. Those hearings should be retained in state archives. But when i asked the board for a copy of doug's nineteen eighty parole hearing. I was told it no longer existed. It was just too old. What i can tell you. Based on other paper records is doug presented as a model inmate at his hearing. He succeeded in winning over. The board members known had bothered to ask kelly the grocery store clerk whose testimony had helped convict doug. No i'm was never notified into maybe it wouldn't have mattered. I didn't seem as threat that particular day. Other than being scared of what was going on. He'd only been the wheel man at his trial. Doug had presented as an impressionable kid pushed into the crime. By two notorious older felons. Doug had entered a program upon arrival of the prison called first offenders. It was designed for inmates who were young. The program operated out of the prisons special services dormitory or ssd. He minimum to medium security section where inmates were afforded more luxuries than in most of the other housing units doug had quickly discovered good. behavior was advantageous. It allowed him to remain in sd. The judge has sentenced doug to a term of five years to life. The parole board decided because of his model behavior. He should serve just half of the minimum two and half years. They scheduled his parole date for february. Ninth nineteen eighty two. Kim and randy salazar were still establishing themselves when about a year into their marriage. Kim learned she was pregnant. I remember joyce saying no this favorites. Not gonna call me. She said she's should this get a coma choice. As time went on coaster. I remember she. She couldn't wait to be cover him. Yeah kim gave birth to a daughter. Melissa in december of nineteen eighty. Joyce met her first granddaughter so she was iraq and thirty four year. Old grandma. She loved it. Yeah she did. She soaked up every now. Joyce had always gone all out on christmas. Oh my gosh. It's an understatement. The there'd be the christmas tree and there wouldn't be much carpet left because she would she would shop and shop and in a gift she thought about you during the year. it was underneath. That tree tradition dictated joyce. Take her children over to her sister. Dorothy house each christmas eve. The two sisters were known to gab for hours. You know when we were little bit cry because it was time to go. 'cause we were going to miss santa claus and they'd be laughing and carrying on we wouldn't be going and we'd be mad as kim and greg had grown. They had found themselves more and more a part of the family traditions. We'd begged to open one gift. Just egging begging begging then. They pay little strategy. You'd always get lame four bad cologne or something. Now that kim had a baby of her own born just two weeks before christmas. Joyce shifted her focus to her little granddaughter. Joyce just she bought her somebody. Christmas present by time christensen there. It was crazy and she just loved her You know most. It can open the gifts so she would open gifts a little bit and shore. You know like most really didn't care but the joyce got a lot of enjoy mad the early nineteen eighty s brought some hard years not only joyce but also for millions of people in the united states. The nation went through back to back recessions in eighty one and eighty two at its worst. The unemployment rate climbed above ten percent randy found a job in the shops of the utah transit authority. It required he work in salt lake city so he and kim moved south. I think it was kind of hard on her. Because kim was around a lot. Sweat comeback every weekend greg. Meanwhile had finished high school and enrolled at utah. state university. Come home on the weekends and she'd do my laundry impact me up with groceries. You know greg's dream of becoming a dentist. Had dimmed. Mel roberts told me. He encouraged his son to pursue a different path. His first quarter was in computer science. Any joyce split up with her longtime boyfriend nails and moved out of their condo. She landed in a small apartment. The bottom left-hand unit of a four plex on fortieth street in south ogden and she used to lay out in her front yard at the time and and after we had melissa she would be on the lawn in the summertime with melissa. Just just being a good grandma. Kim and randy. Welcome to second daughter melanie at the beginning of nineteen eighty two. Joyce and her sister. Dorothy would often make the two hour drive to west wendover nevada on the weekends where they would play the slots randy remembered wants running into her there while he was visiting wendover with his own parents. She told me just display. A dollar machine sells diamond nickel machines. I seven nine Just just try it. So i did. I hit one hundred dollars. Like just broadway just right. After that i hit another hundred dollars enjoys his kind of laughing at me saying see see you can do it. Joyce flipped away to win over by herself on occasion. She didn't always bothered to tell kim or greg about those impromptu trips so she called her weekend. Kim would worry about her kim. she's all right. Act at your mom. You know your mom. Greg decided to switch schools after finishing his first year at utah state he transferred to weaver state college which sat just east of joyce's apartment. She had spare bedroom and invited her son to move in which he did rhonda butters had not waited for doug level after he went to prison in nineteen seventy nine. She had soon married. A different man named richard ryan. S- cullen they had had a baby in eighty one a little girl. They had named alicia their relationship had proven rocky. Though rhonda felt unhappy and by eighty-two was considering divorce this was a daunting proposition rhonda thought about separating from her husband and moving back home with her own parents but while visiting them one day she received a phone call from doug the utah board of pardons and parole had led dug out even earlier than planned. He had left prison in january of eighty two and rented an apartment. At a place called pepperidge in clearfield his finances were in shambles upon his release. Doug's parents had connected him with an employee at their credit union. A woman named susan murage. I i met doug when i was collection officer in the collection apartment and i was collecting on a long that he'd had prior to going to prison. Susan was ten years older than doug. He seemed like a child to her young kids. Sandy blond hair bushy moustache flight frame and she did what she could to help them. Sort out the mess he had made like telling me what you gotta clean up your i you know i mean it wasn't like me talking to another adult. It was like me talking to a kid reestablishing credit and pulling his life around part of dogs post prison plan involved rekindling his romance with rhonda on this phone call in early eighty two. Doug told rhonda she should forget about moving back with her parents and instead move in with him at his new apartment rhonda vacillated her attorney had told her the divorce would go more smoothly if she wasn't cohabiting with another man. You're so wishy washy. Doug had said i wish he would just make up your mind. Rhonda did eventually choose to move in with doug at the pepperidge apartments. She brought her daughter alicia with her but soon found this led to problems. Doug told rhonda when he looked at alicia. All he could see was her estranged husband. Rondo told her friends. Doug scared her. They argued a lot. She would take alicia and leave when their fights became heated sometimes for a day sometimes for a week but he always lured her back late on the evening of january fourteenth. Nineteen eighty-three doug rhonda and alicia together in that little apartment watching tv when they heard a pounding at the door. Doug leapt up as the door. Jamb splintered around the deadbolt. He final thump sounded and the door swung inward revealing a man standing on the threshold. Rhonda's husband duggan rhonda's marital relationship was not a secret to ryan s- cullen but according to police reports he had had a few drinks that night and decided to confront them about it. They grappled rolling out of the apartment into the parking lot clearfield police responding to reports of a domestic dispute arrived minutes later to separate the two men. They arrested ryan on suspicion of burglary disturbing the peace and assault on a police officer official reports listed doug level as the victim later that same year duggan rhonda moved out of his little apartment. They up sized renting a little house near the border of clearfield and the neighboring city of sunset. They had been there just a few months. When in october of eighty three rhonda went into clearfield police headquarters. She told an officer doug told her he intended to kill her ex husband. She took the threat seriously because of their fight back in january as well as doug criminal history. According to a police report. Rhonda explained she had moved out of doug's house and back in with her ex. The officer warned rhonda. It could prove difficult securing a training order due to the different jurisdictions. They arranged to talk with the city attorney about that issue the next day. That meeting never happened. The officer called rhonda while later to find out why she told him she had changed her mind. She no longer believed doug was a threat or that. He intended to kill her ex. Police closed the case as unfounded. Rhonda's reunion with ryan cullen didn't last long doug level lured her back on january twenty second nineteen eighty-four doug and rhonda married in elko nevada. Kim salazar delivered her third child. A son named michael just days after christmas in nineteen eighty. Three joyce joost now had three grand. Children just made her whole world. She was so excited. Her first grandchild melissa was growing old enough to accompany grandma. Joyce on trips into downtown ogden she had got her one of those little furry map things for your hands. 'cause ladies didn't put their hands in their pockets and just always trying to make her be just just right. Joyce had become good friends over the years with a man named gordon kaufmann and his wife. Terri did go to lunch. Tiffin room and they stole became real tight. Friends gordon was a fixture of the downtown ogden business community. He had managed a morgan jewelers. Location near joyce's work for twenty years before opening his own store. Joyce sometimes took melissa there to show her off she said she remembers the big chandelier when you walk into the jewelry store and she knew better than to touch anything in there. The kaufman's weren't the only people to whom joyce expressed pride over grandkids and one of my favorite photos. Is that picture of holding melissa. I at the parade down to hogben in cheese driver. Arguing car temples in the background glowing with homeless in arms. Joyce owned a one thousand. Nine hundred seventy six oldsmobile. delta eighty eight convertible. She's driving around town with that. That car the probably wait. How have i don't know how much away. But it probably only got like five miles to the gallon. Sometimes the top put work and she wasn't going be late for work. She would literally drive that car with the top down man. The rain holding an umbrella. She was crazy she gets some funny stuff. These kinds of little setbacks were nothing compared to the blow that landed on joyce when my informed her. the company was terminating her employment. After twelve years of faithful service you know. She always thought that that was why they let her go was just because she. She was about to be eligible for their retirement plan. More bittersweet heartbreak came in the summer of eighty. Four her son. Greg had completed his undergraduate studies and was accepted into dental school. Out of state. I tell you what she was so proud of him. Greg packed his things into a little u-haul trailer which he hitched to the back of his honda accord for the twenty one hundred mile drive to the medical college virginia in richmond jewish member pulling away from you know joyce and greg had been close but they had grown especially so during those two years. He had spent living with her while in college after he left. I think she was little lonely. You know she wails to buddy-buddies you know. She filled that void best as she could by deepening her social life. Joyce dated several men none of them seriously and found a new job working for the weinstocks department store in the fashion place mall forty miles south in the city of marine doug level wind to the ogden main branch of america first credit union on saturday january. Twenty sixth nineteen eighty-five with his wife rhonda and her then three year old daughter alicia. He was there to secure financing on a car and he knew just the person to see susan rich. Doug told susan. He wanted to buy the car from a dealership in town called lincoln auto red. Rx7 this audio. I should mention as well as the earlier. Bids from susan in this episode came from a later police interview recording susan. New cars from lincoln auto were sometimes problematic. Lincoln dealt with a lot of wreck and salvage vehicles. And i went out looked at the car in inspected it to make sure that the car existed in the sierra l. number match doug rhonda and rhonda's little daughter alicia followed susan into the parking lot. Susan could see the car was all. They're a small sporty. Mazda coupe with flip up headlights and he just talked about how excited he was about having the car. The car wasn't the most practical choice for a family. But doug didn't mind he could afford it as well as the home he was renting. Thanks to a job. He'd secured with the help of his father. His dad had pulled strings to land. Doug ig driving a cement truck. Susan determined the mazda was in good shape. I booked out the vehicle for ninety four hundred dollars. The only need seven thousand dollars to purchase it. The credit union cut doug a check for seven grand but his name wasn't the only one on the pay to the order of line below. It was the name even fluker. I'll come back to marvin in a later episode for now just know. The calendar turn from january to february dug arrived at the credit union. With his paycheck he strolled into the lobby made his deposit and applied some of the money toward the car. Loan while there he dropped by susan's desk and noted the huge array of yellow roses arranged on her credentials. Oh i see you got the flowers. Doug said realization dawned on susan. Just her secret friend was. He told me he sent him. And i told him it was ridiculous that he had a family. It was stupid for him to be spending these money like that. A small. thank you gift was one thing but two straight weeks of roses. Every other day was over the top. It had freaked her out. Susan told doug she had a mind to call his parents and tell them what he had done. Oh yeah oh he knew about it. I mean i. I could have done these net or doug seemed crushed as though he didn't understand why susan hadn't seen the flowers as the nice gesture he had intended. I'd let him have it from one end to the other and first place. Why spending money. That was stupid to be doing that that he scared. The living bejesus adamy little. Did she know doug was about to do something far. Worse rays of sunlight scattered across the waters of the great salt. Lake's farmington bay a little to the east. A big boat of a car pulled into a parking stall outside of a strip mall in the city of clearfield joyce joost stepped out of her convertible and head for the door of a supper club called the peer three. It was mid week a wednesday evening and she was stopping off on her way home from work to meet a friend gentleman. France apple seven data. Joyce's own voice. From one of the only known recordings of her describing. What happened on this night of april third nineteen eighty five. This season will include a lot of rough audio like this from old analog tapes. Some were made under less than ideal circumstances. Others are second or third generation copies. That have degraded over time. I've done my best to clean them up back to the story joyce and her friend. A man named alexi baer spent the better part of three hours that evening. At the pierre earn a couple of times lex was sixty two years old to joyce's thirty nine. The age gap didn't bother her. Many of her closest friends were older including her sister. Dorothy as well. As gordon and terry kaufman and joyce dated alderman before like her ex boyfriend nails as the evening waned joyce and lex prepared to leave. They walked out of the pure three together at about a quarter. After ten and the gentleman i was with at zombie cohen. I have my own vehicle and you walk me to my car at gave me a kiss that my commerce it good night. She pulled out of the parking lot and headed for south ogden. She went from stoplight to stoplight. Her mind on the events of the day and on the social outings she had just enjoyed. Follow me ain't any attention to seep in vegas meet. Somebody was following her a little red mazda with flip up headlights bobbed in the rear view. If you or someone you know has endured rape sexual assault or sexual abuse of any kind. Help is available in the united states. You can call one eight hundred six five six h. o. p. e. or visit our a. n. n. dot org to connect with free resources through the rape abuse and incest national network. No one needs suffer in silence. You are not alone. If you haven't already please subscribe to or follow cold to make sure you get every episode. You can also interact with me and the cold team on facebook. Instagram and twitter at the cold. Podcast cold is researched and written by dave collie with editorial oversight by executive producer cheryl wars worsley additional executive producers. 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WW 723: Save the Date - Goodbye Flash, Windows 10 21H1, Halo Infinite

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WW 723: Save the Date - Goodbye Flash, Windows 10 21H1, Halo Infinite

"It's time for windows. Weekly paul theroux. Mary jo foley here. there is lots to talk about. Twenty one h one finally available somehow to download. We'll have the details on how you can. You can get ready. Prepare yourself Some new features for teams especially for education and then A big story. Microsoft is lowering game developer fees on. Pc might be coming to the store on. Xbox plus paul figures out finally had to get rid of the date in the task. So coming up next on windows weekly podcasts. You love people you trust face is tweet biz is windows weekly with paul thurrott. Mary jo foley episode seven hundred twenty three recorded wednesday may fifth cinco de mayo. Twenty twenty one. Save the date. Windows weekly is brought to you by bandwidth bandwidth understands the challenge enterprises face when migrating direct routing for microsoft teams. That's why bandwidth launched duet for microsoft teams. 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I'm on my risk wash. And i ever seen i think after it so maybe it was just a just a somebody was teasing me. It said bill and melinda gates. Were getting a divorce. The fact that mary jo. I have spent approximately an hour discussing the line. Right we've got a big not a big steel. But i think you know the in the world of gossip it's It's relevant it's germane and i'll tell you what they were a power couple Especially in terms of their philanthropy. It said that bill gates was not a philanthropic fella till he met melinda gates that she convinced him even before he retired that he should really be doing this. They founded the bill. And melinda gates charitable foundation sure man contributed about what you say from a percentage perspective. Personally not melinda melinda. Well she's getting some money. one point. Eight billion dollars in stock was transferred to her on the day of the divorce news. I don't know if that's the settlement or if that's just the beginning because it's not. It's a fraction of the bills total. Well it's all private right like the way they filed like the terms are going to be private and such but one thing one. My biggest surprise that i read on tmz. Of course. because we're very joe hangs out on l. dollars they didn't have a pre-nup that was my biggest surprise. I'm like are you kidding Really well i'd like to see to adults and then adult fashion and maybe married the richest men in the world and you didn't get a pre nup. Nothing says love also and how blind people can be to their own intelligence like that. Well i'm gonna. And i'm also thinking about of course jeff. Jeff bezos is divorce and his ex became A massive philanthropist with her the amazon fortune all on their own and really has been wonderful. I think of steve jobs widow lorraine who has taken who unfortunately was not able to convince him to be like. This has been an incredible incredible person. Yeah and she's taking that huge fortune yup Which includes disney pixar an apple and putting that to very good use. I thought soon. So maybe this just you know just like splitting microsoft would make two giant companies of equal value. Maybe this is just going to do that. Maybe you remember last year. There was a bill gates documentary right. Everyone was all guys amazing. You know remember that. I was thinking to myself. You know. people obviously don't understand or remember what he did. How terribly was as a person They completely whitewashed that. The documentary. Which i found you know a little off putting it was t g. Bt yeah too good to be. Yes yes. But i found there. I i actually. I will say i found their relationship. I commented on this to my wife was not interested in a commentary about the quality of their relationship. No interest in this. But i i i found there and i just find their relationship to be unusual like they. Don't they seem like an odd couple. So i'm kind of curious what's behind this. You know A product manager microsoft when they met for the for office Who's the only way to save her job waiting. That's called meet cute. Wow it's melinda. We're gonna kill microsoft bob But would you like. What are you doing so they were. They were married a longtime twenty-seven years they have three kids age eighteen to twenty five. I can't help but notice that the youngest is eighteen there is. I think you know this kind of interesting thing in the kids. Leave the house and the dog dies. Then you're on your own and they maybe they maybe they. Maybe there were strained relationship. They held off until the last one was was out of the house. I don't know but you know that's none of our business really accepted. This is a massive enterprise that gives her a about five billion dollars a year They say they're gonna continue to work together right at the foundation who would not want to work with their divorced wife. I would love that. Don't depends you know if it's an divorce. I've been through this a couple of times and if it's a makeable divorce It's not a problem you can really like each other And not want to live under the same roof. That's not unheard of so You know Maybe they're a victim of covid. They're stuck with each other for year and they were like you laugh but they're going to be a lot of divorce in the next few months seriously guys they have one hundred room house for however many hundreds pretty big isn't it is. Yeah xanadu to have the left taffy like i mean. I'm just saying if they could have gotten away from each other during kovic right. It's going to be really interesting to see now. The time says they are believed to have a prenuptial agreement. So that's the new york times you know Largest owners of farmland in america was surprising. When i read that i was like their russian oligarchs says something i actually knew that we we talked about it on twitter about two months ago When somebody discovered this because they did a lot of a lot of holding companies and stuff Cascade investment which manages mr gates personal wealth owns large stakes in the four seasons hotel. Chain the canadian national railway and auto nation the nation's largest chain of car dealerships. The families homes and properties included sixty six thousand square foot washington state mansion of sorry. Sorry sorry size is sixty six thousand sixty. Six thousand has a trampoline room. Hold mix hundred would be a mentioned. What do you call sixty. Six thousand dollars is too big. It's not even a compound compacts. You need a golf cart to but it's one building you need hitler. Kerr was smaller than what are you talking about. Hitler didn't have a trampoline room to our knowledge. A screening room not room library filled with documents and artifacts. Remember didn't ibm vinci codex. And i think at least a couple of davinci objects. If i'm not mistaken. Ms gates has her own firm pivotal ventures which she has used to invest in issues related to women's economic empowerment. Mr gates has his own private office. That's what you do when you're very wealthy family office where it's like it's like schwab but it's just for you just feel the office to it's in the dining kitchen table yeah literally even dining room gates ventures is his private office It's interesting she may be some have said. She may be very progressive. That's what happened with mackenzie jeff. As ex and laurine both were all three Both seems i outside and you can't forget his mom rate. His mom headed up united way. I think in seattle. So he ha- he came from a family that understood charitable giving and philanthropy right And then he and melinda created the giving pledge along with warren buffett which is that effort to get the very wealthy to commit to donating a majority of their money to charity before they died Some people signed up for that. Some did not. I can tell you this. The reason i knew this was a big story. Even though i don't really cover bill gates anymore. Was my mom called me that night and said okay. Why did they split. I'm sure you know the reason so mom. No don't need some sources mary jo. she's like. I'm sure you know but i'm sure you can't say i'm like mom i don't know i haven't covered even if you couldn't say when you told you so my mom actually genuinely believes i'm in the cia also so somebody did covance twitter and said We were having a conversation club twin. They said you've got to get married. Joe to tell more stories like this. They love the story. You you told what mike was on about. You know getting your sources to fess up more spice stories from mary. Jo is the number one request. Saying yeah no so you know what this reminded me of the whole split and everything so when i just i think i had just started at pc week when this happened. It was in twenty sixteen So bill no sorry in nineteen eighty-four. This came from when bill gates got married on nineteen new year's day four. Pc week had an employee who lived on the island in hawaii where he got married. Couldn't have been you mean. You must be the ninety nine hundred ninety four. Sorry nineteen ninety-four right. I'm like messing up on my dates here. But they had a guy who lived on the island and they they had so much security. There is to keep people out from the wedding. He snuck in because back in the day. That's what we did at pc week. We were really good at sneaking into things like it was kind of a badge of honor. Everybody who worked there had to be really good at sneaking into stuff and he snuck into the wedding and wrote a whole car about was this didn't take over an island was glenn i took over. I think he like pretended to be a waiter in the catering company and like got in there like he went all out air traffic so helicopters hover over it. it was such a big story in la ny. the time hadn't really been much developed. It has now since. Larry ellison bought it but So we're we're thinking. The discord chad is thinking. We should start a series of non starting with fully identity. We could do the whole premise. The foley ultimatum. The foley legacy the fully betrayal the fully sanctioned. There's a whole series year fully. The same rains series are you isn't somebody named foley and they're oh i didn't know that foley is that tom lancy that's interesting. There's some famous spy character. Who's that's really area. Something foley is in the jack ryan. Ed fully appears in the jack ryan. Edward ed foley. He is director of central intelligence in the early two thousands. That was dad. Right and Joe foley wife wait a minute yes. His wife's name is mary. Pat foley right. Cia case officers in moscow under the cover see covers of as us like. I didn't really wanna show my mom's right. She is communications. Agent named oleg zaitsev. Contacted the police plan to kill the pope. Oh yes tom. Clancy right to provide information on the session. Nation plugged in exchange for his family. Safe extraction of the soviet union foley and his wife were still working undercover as embassy press. I love this that you see. It's totally true guy. I didn't really want to come clean on it but here we are so you know. I'd the reward. Jack clancy novels. I got some catching up to do. I didn't realize jack ryan became president. i got a lot to read here. Okay okay wow. There's a new. There's a new clancy. Universe starting up on amazon. They've got the john kelly and it's really great But for that. And i. I'm sorry to bring you in a zone. It was not was impressed. I thought wow they're really sticking news here gone back and forth like is this gonna come. I actually forgot about you. Ought to know leo's going to go for the salacious. Yeah it is a big you know what. Bill gates left the microsoft board last year. And so i'm like okay by here an interesting person and you became. We're done we're done with you. i'm with you. we don't. it's not part of our beat anymore. right I wonder you know i feel like midlife crisis. Except he's sixty four kind of Just i don't think he has come on this guy whereas sweaters drinks tea. He's not going anywhere and he doesn't seem like a womanizer. He was as a young man. He was quite famous. Yes he was on that topic. No more on that. I see if you think well we know something. I don't know he's not talking. That requires all year. Maybe we'll have a special edition. Just for club twit. mary jo. yeah. I'm wearing joe doesn't know we've got a camera trap. Mashed potato and our chat says what's wrong with wearing sweaters drinking tea absolutely not exactly nothing him. The richest man in a world It'll be interesting if mackenzie and What does she. She doesn't as us anymore. I can't remember her last name. But anyway if mackenzie bazo saw that and and melinda gates get together the stories. They'll tell anyway enough to live with a bond villain. There's only a few of those women around. Exactly exactly. I mean i mean in some ways. Their lives are probably very similar In some ways very different. I don't know it'd be very interesting. You've flown a helicopter to your house on more than one occasion. Probably but that's probably wants to similarities. I wonder if bills personality will change. Because it is widely considered that she was a mellowing influence right totally and also much more social and sociable rate than him. so it'll be but yes and the kids probably had the same impact. I know when i had kid does change your point of view. You know i. I had to work for a living. i guess. build a problem I wonder you know he. For a longtime he and esther dyson. We're good friends. And then when blad and wind bled. I remember he dated venture capital became very close at like. Do they almost get. Yeah yeah. The rumor was his mom was like hands. Actually both anna. Nestor are great people. I really think they're great people and the thing is they're super smart. Which bill is. I mean whatever you think of him as a businessman super smart right now and he when blad used to go away for like. Think we things right i remember. He brought all of professor I wanna say feinstein. Feldman of the caltech professors vitamin thank. You has very famous read books. They're very difficult. Physics lectures on a getaway with an. I think he's already married with an win. Blad yeah and they and so this was like a separate giant just the two of them went on to read the and they would do these. They would read these heavy books. Yeah that's really interesting. Friend of mine was invited to an i. Guess for a while gates would have events in special places in this case. He had rented a private railway car and invited ten very well-known influential people. Warren buffett was one of them and their wives and each night you were supposed to. Each couple was supposed to put on a presentation on some heavy duty thing. Although he at my friend told me that mostly bill and warren went off to play bridge in the puck in the backroom back. Car the caboose how to every year gates would have these these retreats for for the most influential interesting people. So it's it's really fascinating so we're gonna do a new show. I want to announce it right now. The club's wit. Mary jo knows and And doesn't tell it'll be very short very short. Tell you that. I can't talk about that talk about that. You know we have people. Tell us that every day. I'm sorry i can't speak to that issue. Or whatever so i that would be my answer on all of this So you know. I'm sorry to bring up the gossip but it's it's some say it's a light moment we didn't talk about it at all. I know that would be weird right but would say we'll what are they hide. There they go again protecting them. We'll get back to back pocket and lennox you an xbox all the things that you come to windows weekly for Before we do that let me do our first commercial so we can separate this bill gates tawdry trivia from the actual meat of the show. And i don't care what brad sam says we're gonna do it. Nobody does what did you say that he gives as something if i press. Be on my My keyboard here. Brad pops up. I don't know why he's like our show today. 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Thank you bandwidth Let's talk about something like important. Like windows windows. Ten news windows ten news. I i think it's against that. What's the window news update. I wasn't able to do the tuesday patch. Tuesday update from Was it yesterday. no it's coming. No no no. That's why next week actually. So we should. That's something we should talk about this and not in the notes that the. What's it called the news and information pop up. That is the the weather so that's actually not. Yeah that's not hard of a specific version of windows. It's actually being added to all supported versions window so What are the things i. I noticed I guess it was over the weekend herbs. Just before the can or something was that you can install an update preview through windows update. And maybe get it. And i say maybe that's the truth is not everyone is getting it through windows. Update it so it's kind of a weird deal So that's out there so if you have basically any supported version of windows and you want that maybe that should have been a tip today action and i'm thinking about it You can you can get that if you want so. They kind of announced this last week but they made. It's so confusing in the way they worded it like they were like yeah. So it's it's happening today. And i said well. Why are you saying it's happening today. And they're like. I don't know and i'm mike. So is there something else happening today. That's triggering it. So yes there was. There was a preview. Update rate update. Yeah so i think a lot of people if you read carefully if you look at windows update he won't install it automatically even if you seek you can trigger the download but it's literally an update preview so This technically ship in april. So it's an update preview for a preview. That broad -ly may meeting next tuesday on passionate so i don't know why i said that i but the reason i said that Microsoft has essentially finalized windows. Ten version Twenty one h one right. The next major release such as this it will begin deploying to users soon. There's no actual date on that. But you know. We kind of speculated patch. Tuesday whatever will say You can install it now if you really want it going through the windows previous that are cetera. there are no major new features. I the one. I can think of off the top of my head that has the ability to have multiple windows. Hello webcams which is useful for people working from home especially but just working on off of laptop as you have a docked. Oftentimes the laptop will kind of be off to the side. You'll have this display in front of you with the keyboard mouse and you can put if you can put a camera up in front of you. That's a more natural way to sign in so they will support that and kind of about it. It's like some wonders windows defender application guard and management instrument instrumentation group policy stuff but. Yeah very minor update. Yeah so like the past couple of the updates. You know same thing enabling package. It's the same underlying code basis the previous two versions of windows. We use the same drivers the same. You know basically the same updates even though the probably give different names depending on the version but anyway the point of all that is when you install this. You might think you're going to get that feed thing and you're not Not necessarily that that comes from a separate cumulative update For some reason so right. Now oh and i should say sorry Even that not everyone will see it so even if you're running a supported version of windows ten to his update check for updates. It might not pop up there staggering that releases well so you can manually download the kb Ese if you want to get it installed now for some reason. I happened to get it. I just installed it. I saw the preview thing. I didn't know what it was. I said share. Whatever i say yes to everything. i'm beloved by people. Like jehovah witnesses but anyway I just don't. I didn't mean to get it but it appeared and i was like. Oh there it is. How do you turn that up right. Click nice and that. Was you know that that's why you did it. You're seeker by may be your memoir title. I didn't mean to get it but it appeared. I saw a light coming down the tunnel. And i went toward it was i was thinking. Yeah anyway it's it's almost here. I feel like we've been saying it's almost here for like almost ten months or something like it's almost here now. Hip almost here comes. But i think. I think my guess unless something goes horribly wrong with testing between now and next week. That'll happen on patch. Tuesday will be like okay. It's patched tuesday. People wanna seek those you can go. Get it You know put it. Put it in the volume licensing channel. Put it in windows server. Update services do all that stuff so but we haven't heard that definitively but that's i that's reasonable and that follows the schedule and right. Yeah you know somebody in our chat room rat cutty love his name says i got it and i'm glad we have the option to hide it. Yeah so you know you you see. It's a it's a little weather icon on your task bar. You naturally click it. Actually i think he just to muslim it a second start menu pops up and it has rounded rectangle tiles with Msn news stories. I don't know if you've ever seen msn news if he's microsoft edge you have. It's not great. It's not what i would call a high quality News service You remember. I remember weather bug. Oh man that was kind of it wasn't malware but it was aggressive Kind of sales where not nor but Discreet chances it would save me from removing weather bug from computers all the time but people like weather. There's something about weather. I actually don't mind. The weather icon on the task. To be honest. If i could have that without anything ever popping up That would be fine. But because i can't i forgot about weather bug everywhere whether it's in your calendar now it's everywhere you know in on your home screen style. Lennox it's right there the top. I have a command line. That will give me latest. Weather actually draws the sun. It's really cool. I spent a considerable amount of time. Researching you can. You can Customize the way that the date and time are displayed in the task bar right so not surprisingly of different regions different ways of displaying. That information you can customize it to your heart's content With different numbers of Numbers before and after the call in in time and whether or not you can do all kinds of stuff you don't you can't do that is just have the time unless you shrink the task. That's what i really want is. Just that's what. I really want to because shots for the buck. I don't want the date in there. Yeah yeah and that is literally not one of the things you can do that so annoying. I'd rather have the weather be there. What do you do you blurt out. You have to just leave it alone. But i'm thinking for the future. I've been thinking about this. Like i said i just researched this. I i take as many screenshots. As i came without involving that i may literally descended. Hide the menu. Bahrain the took you have. Sometimes you have to show it because you're showing that that thanks joe and full screen shot. Whatever and i think. I'm going to manually edit them so that the date is centered. And it's i just. I just don't want the the No i understand completely. I want to date. Yeah tat anyway. Sorry that was just an aside. But it's it's interesting. How what you can and can't do when when it comes to customize and the task bar so like you know the they whether it'd be nice to have a little weather display and just have it be just weather but okay take should i. Okay i ask you this. Every time when i do update i always get this optional. Cumulative update for h. Wha twenty. I think it's twenty one h one i don't know but it's optional or it should i do it like it's like a test thing or is it real the test. Things are the ones that say preview. Yeah i think in radio. I have to look again. I find it. I think it's disgusting. At microsoft sends pre be updates to. Don't show me that option quality update available cumulative update preview for windows. Ten version twenty two. So that's a thing right so the you're seeing that because next month you're going to get the real like the non preview but i'm not an insider i inside. That's what i'm saying like. I don't understand why this. I don't microsoft not to my knowledge never came out one day and said hey by the way we're going to start doing this new thing But they quietly when they started doing this new thing where they started shifting remember when they were explaining week. Be week see weekday. I'm like most normal. People are not following this like they don't see weekday right and they and they don't even know like downloading preview. Might not appreciate like it's just. I think it's just a way to get more people to test it right. But that's that's not a right. I'm just saying never be a seeker. Never be okay all right. That's a little so you have to for your job. People shouldn't be seekers. Yeah i yeah. I don't know why they do this. So y- you have to the names of these. Things are so long to they take up the whole you kind of read through it and then like thirteen cents previously like i- people shouldn't have to worry about that kind of thing so I tend to knee jerk. Install stuff because you know. I do this for a living but you're right. No one should be installing. No one should be no one no house to the anyway but i know my mom. Otherwise no no role abby normal here it's okay Yeah i mean look the the technical types listening to windows weekly. We'll be doing this too so they don't they don't need ours one way or the other but i just find it. Reprehensible at microsoft ships preview updates to everybody in the world that's some of them will install them and not not that there are stories but things going wrong or whatever. But you know these. Things require boot. I n necessary is it. That microsoft thinks that normal people just never see that windows update control panel that they just. That's why i like. My job knows my wife actually met my wife as well. you know. she's a smart woman. really smart woman. i this is years ago but one time went up and looked at her computer while she was working. And i said what's this. It was like a window off down in the corner and it was one of those little pop ups. Like you need to install this update and reboot. And she's like. I wouldn't get out of the way so i dragged it off to the corner like stephanie. What you got. You got to install these things like if it's if it's so serious that it's popping up saying please reboot right now. I mean maybe it's time to take ten minutes or whatever. It is parenthetically pogue in our chat room. Says he's found a link that says how to make only the time visible in the task bar. I would may already know about this. This is from the windows club. Time looking for this so you know by the way does it involve shrinking the task bar. Yes does it does that. I'm not interested. I said front knew personalization. You can use small task bar buttons. Yeah no that's awesome. Task bar in the date is no longer. You knew this already. I said it this. I think i said guys come on. Okay okay okay to to yes. You could hide the clock in turn system icons on our apps toggle switch for clock off position. But they'd so you wouldn't get the clock or the date. Guess that'd be okay. The time i want. I do want the time so i wanted to resemble what people see right is you. Don't want to be two hundred hundred. I hear what you're i could be really dumb about it and say to change the date temporarily to one one set your system year. Twenty five twenty five at public. Oh wow he's living in the. I'm trying to wipe out a little white out It's not that kind of a book. virtual white out. Can't we use i would. I would be shocked if someone came up and said there is a way to do what i wanted to because i i really did look into this and i don't believe there is a bit. Sorry i told him what you said. And he laughed. Thank you for trying to help. I have exhausted that resource. Of course i would be remiss. If i didn't mentioned that you can do that in lennox but i don't think you should have your windows. Fill screenshot saturday probably best placed. Okay weird that we cannot customized society. You buried the the really really good news is not this calendar or anything it is microsoft is finally removing flash permanently irrevocably from windows. You might ask what took so long. Yeah even adobe stop flashing microsoft announced that we're going to do this by the way in twenty seventeen. Wow yeah know. It's the same reason microsoft. Can't do lots of things Legacy yeah well they are getting rid of it now so you you can. I believe as you know a user even as an organization bring you know install flash right and if you want that i suppose i don't know why anyone would other yes backwards compatibility but There is actually by the way We were just talking about preview. updates That is also available as a preview there. Now i wanted to wait next next. Tuesday it will just come out. Oh i'm sorry you know. What extraordinary bed now. i didn't. I never installed flash so microsoft wasn't installing flash right or were they. I've never installers. No there is a flash component built into my god. Yes for internet explorer. Originally i guess a convenience removes that If you upgrade to twenty eight hundred by the way flash will be removed as part of that It looks like the pre into the the. The preview version of the update is available. Now it's versions eighteen o nine and above. Actually i'm sorry that's coming out in june and the final version comes out in july and it'll be included in subsequent cumulative updates blah blah but if you're using an older version of windows ten sixteen oh seven or fifteen seven which by the way is the one That they'll be k. Becoming out in july this is they're literally gonna strip this from all supported versions of windows. This includes windows eight one when server write windows embedded standard. It's they're going to get rid of it everywhere over the summer. Wow it's going to be a cruel summer. Got some eleven. maybe you're not getting. Oh well oh well oh well oh well she will find the cascades Lennox this We were talking about this on the untitled. Lennox show which we do a saturday in the clipped. The i'm sorry is really called the untitled. That's my favorite name. they want to call it. Like a tux. Tux times tux weekly. I think no the untitled lennox show is the best. Sounds pretty good. Yeah that's what i mean. If you guys all were at tux every time he recorded the show anyway. We were talking about this. That i didn't really have any insight into microsoft has bought a lennox vendor before we before we talk about this. Could i say thank you. Mary jo for not making this the number one starting this in. Oh i did bill gates divorce or flat car lennox like which one is tough people know so i i did not know ken. Volk is the name of the company The creator and distributor of flack. Her lennox flat container lennox. Sorry the where container is very important here because if you look at what microsoft's thinking about doing with flat car lennox Flaker container lennox has more to do with the container than it has to do with the lenox They're going to make this somehow fold in with or at least have their engineers who work on. Flack her Fold into the azure cooper. Nettie service so you know managing containers as your arc which is a management service for Microsoft azure services on all kinds of clouds and unspecified future projects that will expand as yours hyper container platform capabilities. This is all about containers right. Not so much about like exxon azure. It's more about containers But still kind of shocking right. Can you imagine like even a few years ago. Microsoft just bought a lennox company rate like they have a lennox distribution. I mean microsoft already. Has its own lennox distribution colonel for for wfl right. Yeah and they built one called cbs. Mariner which they use an azure they. I wonder if this replaces see bill. Mariner they didn't say that Couldn't could you know. I mean lennox buying lennox destroy. I'm not sure what you really must be higher right right. They want the container experts. Who work there that makes sense. Yes because you know it's all open source you guys. Can you tell us. How can we just have the time in our task you there. How would we do you know how to do that. We're gonna buy a company just and do yeah. I still surprise though at made fun of windows. Central twitter because they put microsoft buys yet another company and unlike Say makes up by a lennox vendor. You might get more clicks than yet another company. Everyone's so cute these days with headlines. I also think some people are trying to make the point that it used to be so shocking anytime microsoft did something open source related or lennox related and now it's like they bought a lennox disco. Who cares rate But still i think. I think it's interesting in kind of telling and long way from lennox as a cancer to we're gonna buy something. Yes yeah no. I'm glad i you know this has more to do with azure and Does and so forth. But it's still it's not like they're going to release. This has microsoft lennox or something no no now says prophetically and then like a year round As well you know. I'm on record for you know saying that eventually microsoft to replace windows with lenox have a lot of people think that a lot of people think they feel like they're inching toward. I don't see why they would do that but it feels like they're toward they. Just don't think it's worth the investment but yeah is already here. Lennox's lennox you can use. I mean look i. Do you want the apps right. The reason we run windows because they and guess would the ability to run all windows apps on lenox be desirable. obviously right obviously. Does it behoove microsoft to make that happen. You know now now. I mean by the stat. We keep talking about more than half of work. All workloads on azure are lennox based but again. That doesn't mean you have to replace windows with lennox right. They want to give people the option. I think what you're really seeing here is. The option is the key word is in the long run. It's not gonna matter what os you're using. That's second that's that's managing your hard drive in random. You know keeping the fans go to be more unusual that you can't find something whatever platform from chosen because it's all going to be in the cloud right virtual services you know w v d thirty. Yeah anyway it was still interesting. I was still like wow okay. By the way everybody cuts at. Mary jo and i will be playing on the deck of the ship until it goes down. So don't worry about that. The future is absolutely that are genius. Yes now and then just as a related semi related note because all things open source when you hear the word open source automatically think of microsoft rate so microsoft open sourced a tool that they built called counterfeit count like not spelled counterfeit but counter like a counter and fit out again. Which is odd. It's a tool to stop your ai. From getting hacked is how described it. Is it a robot. Dog is involved in any way not really no But yeah it. It's it's kinda hard to explain this but it's it's a tool that shores up your ai system for machine learning a tax rate and so microsoft built this they put it on. Get hub It's available to anyone to use as they see fit. Mark percentage tweeted it. So he's a big believer. I guess in this whole more open source more open source. He is actually like he's the guy who said maybe one day microsoft will open source windows. Remember that he said that like several years free motive thing there's too many swear words in the source code. They can't that yeah. Yeah it's still kinda cool though every time they do. You know they have an open source project office at microsoft and a lennox office of microsoft. And they do any of these things. I guess because i'm so old and i've covered the company for so long. I'm like yeah. It's it's different to see this year microsoft. I'm even old and i think that. Wait a minute yeah. It is a very different microsoft. And it is i love it. I mean it's a much better microsoft to them bad old days to be honest. Yeah i think. I do too. Yes and also if you want to attract pleased as you can't be an adversary to open source because the people you wanna hire people who use open source tools on our steve. It's a very good point. Yeah that's that's the entire explanation. For w esl by yeah. Yeah yeah i mean rich turner. I forget where he worked before he came back to microsoft. But he's like you guys need to do some lennox tools for windows guys like command line and like get the get lennox on windows. He he was saying if you if you want developers you have to do this right. Yeah and they're you know the reasons why you'd wanna hybrid too. I mean i think it's the best of both worlds right. You get A mainstream operating system with a lot of mainstream apps. But you also get the belt and tools you want. I think it makes a lot of sense. Frankly by little too. Okay counterfeit not a good name. Yeah just saying spelled the way you would think f. e. i. t. under fit is what i do at night. They have a giant ball cheese balls on a bench presses against your counter while you're eating yes spill with fit. Although i honestly think probably most people think that's how you spell counterfeit hasn't counterfeit who knew. Fifa i t i mean come on. What is that a german word. Where'd that come kim. Volk which data from germany so microsoft is acquiring berlin. Same as window. The kids right yet. Kim to paul. I'm sorry you wanna say something. Don't microsoft has a nice office in berlin. that was formerly in their checkpoint. Jersey wonder under window is gone. I think yeah yeah similar to do and it's okay. Yeah and and the window. Kings made wounded list ousted. M s office. Three sixty five. I'm sorry microsoft. Three sixty five right. We don't say officer although they did on their last earnings your that was a mistake or not but yeah yeah so. This is teacher appreciation week if you didn't know that And so microsoft announced a whole bunch of features coming through from may to august so right ahead of the new school year for teams for education and there are a couple of interesting ones here. One is call a tool called reading progress. Which is meant to help. People learn how to read out loud better. It corrects you. I'm pronunciation and gives you your stats like must pronounced x number words you. You're reading things quickly or that quickly. And they said you know this is good for people who not just not just well. It's good for everybody who needs to learn how to read faster better but it also is good especially for for people for whom english is not their first language and people with dyslexia. This could really help those two groups quite a bit and so they're building this for teams as a free tool for education. Yep that's pretty cool They've got something called supervised chat and teams. That's going to let certain teachers are designated. Teachers manage an initiate chats with students in a secure way so that people are in a safe space instead of teams. That's coming later this month. There's calendar integrations to let people Students in their classes are when their assignments are due. That's super handy. I if i were a student using teams. I would want this right. That's coming in august. there's group assignments so teachers can assign groups of students a certain Assignment as a group rather than as a bunch of individuals so it's all these kind of incremental updates that they're adding teams getting people ready for the new school year assuming there will be in person learning and if there isn't at least the continued remote learning or hybrid learning and then they also went down some minecraft education addition things so they're integrating minecraft education edition with teams and with flip grid. I don't know how many people know what flipped. grit is. Do you know what that is by the way i thought flipkart wasn't that a kind of a service studio type thing or am i thinking. Maybe i'm confusing. Google thing sounds really microsoft. This video product For education called flip grid and let's students can can make recordings. It's almost like tiktok for education. That will go quite that far but similar concept to that kind of so. They're integrating Minecraft education edition with that. And they're going to change the licensing. So people can use minecraft education edition outside the classroom. You couldn't do that right now. so you can use it at home school for home schooling and camps and clubs and things like that so he. Yeah lots of good stuff. If you're a student or a teacher who wants to use teams. Goodness i think google. What was the gogol. Competitor surface stadium. I think that might be chambord thinking jam were. it's funny. Did you see that hysterical. Sunday times article about the new google offices. Yes oh my you gotta watch it online though because the print will have these animated gifts but for one thing the pods all have jam boards all over the place. So we now know is playable walls inflatable balls. So you say i guess. There's a button you presidency. I want privacy and a robot comes in that expands but but looking at the animated gif it takes. Looks like it takes like fifteen minutes to slowly expand and slowly like a balloon. Deflating sound looks like something out of Invasion of the body snatchers. Like it's a pod that's about because it's kind of shiny rainbow colored uh and it's slowly expand like it's really organic and creepy and weird and your meetings over by the time it actually fully ban because i mean if you look at the animated gift that the new york times had people are moving like this really fast and the thing is low. Everybody built these open office spaces now exactly what it is. Okay so invent this. Yeah that was a that was always. The open office thing was always a mistake to me and i raised. My wife has come up twice. My wife has this story from when she was in high school. They briefly tried this thing where they had those Temporary walls partitions between schoolrooms. And the idea was that you would sort of take in what was being taught in the next classroom and all it was was loud. You know it was just annoying or two kids who get in a fight in the wall would crash down you know and i feel like open offices. Same thing you get. Since we're taking on the walls down and then everyone buys noise cancelling headphones you know and i. It's just that was never a good idea. Yeah so there's the chambord me this wall thing. Oh yeah you gotta see this thing. By the way they're setting up cameras in the parking lot with adirondack chairs and microsoft has a tree house. Come on well. I'm wondering if google in this no microsoft's gonna do you track the college right. Get the millennials call whether it's event blowing straight at your head. That's the blow the germs away. That's the restaurant. Yeah here it is okay. That's amazing now. this is the end of it. It'll it'll reset okay. So there's the robot now notice. These people are moving very quickly. The robot is slowly going this way so i would have traumatic stress syndrome from this thing. Inflating sounds like slow it is. I guess that doesn't scare you. I don't i don't seem it's more scary to me like it's creeping up on you. My god it's almost like organic. It looks like you're in the pod. The pod people are gonna grab her and phoebe seymour isn't that i guess you get used to this. This is what happens if you have more money than sense. That's what i did you. So i want now from you guys. I want the story on what microsoft is gonna do right. Yeah yeah all that open office space right before the pandemic great as part of their campus vitals apple and all almost instantly people were complaining. It up. I can't get any more. Microsoft was to sleet. Apple is like all the people that ran into the glass walls when they're clean. You can't see them. Oh that's right. That happened that happened. The apple campus. Because of course they're very clean glass and there. There's no seems a and people were hurting themselves. Those there's no sprint salt that's awesome. I shouldn't laugh. They ended up putting decals on my because it was actually hazardous. Gonna do i do. I wonder what they're gonna do well on the one hand. I don't know it seems like the people who design these actually. Don't work in them. No kidding right. Microsoft was famous for having offices for every right this now and then when they started building the open remember when they started to build the open office space and they made all these. Like pods for huddles and stand community stand ups and stuff like that. Were separate look but they showed that you still need that kind of Secluded space and they still have conference rooms at microsoft. I think you still need a mix of spaces right here on a private office if you can get it in the meeting. Space like pause we have small groups people whatever. The open space for people can kind of gather look at. We're not hate open spaces. I well. I hate open spaces as the only thing in a building. That shouldn't be the office. There's no it's okay for there to be an open space. But they should also be able to go back on the our old studios the beautiful per casts gorgeous studios You know we got kind of booted out because they were selling the building and the new owners who came up from san diego and really didn't know what they were doing. Turn it into a co working space. And it's all and it's like studios beautiful but but i never. Nobody wanted to work in our studio like an office please. Can i have a corner. I don't wanna be in the middle of this especially with cameras rolling. You know you're on camera and sure so. Yeah i kind of like in a house. I like having a big Open space for kind of the great room. The family room kinda. I don't mind that our kitchen is in a very open dining resistance but it's all open but then you go to your when you go to bed. You have a private space. Yeah that's how. I built my house and val heim. But that's another story nine ninety days till the end of support for skype for business online. Is this the beginning of the end of skype is. The is the clock ticking. Now they have said that they haven't said it. And they keep making the case that there's a reason for skype consumer to exist alongside teams jokes exactly because if you think about it like teams as the everything platform like the everything store. You know that kind of thing and skype just as that's like all it does right And teams is your operating system basically but on the business side skype for business online in this is because they're trying to move those that group of people to teams right and they've they've been warning them for years that we're going to phase us out here comes july thirty first two thousand twenty one. That's it guys. that's over. Not the on. Prem no skype represents server will continue only the online version will go away then like we like we say all the time it's because of legacy microsoft never does anything hasty when it comes to businesses. They they try to get people to move but they give them a lot of runway to do that. And there's lot there's a whole series of steps that microsoft advocates. You take like all these different things that they're gonna they're gonna take away over time right like so. I services that integrate with skype for business online go away then you won't be able to move online users out of teams only after a certain day like there's all these steps like it's like okay. We're warning you warn you. It's gone hard time letting go but you bring in somebody from google. They're so good at killing. How do you guys do it. Oh we just we just kill it. you know. it's like tearing the bandit off the one there. No that's the difference between being an enterprise company and that's true apple and google. Both you know you can see the difference between them and microsoft. You know yeah microsoft. There's no technology they'll ever truly behind if somebody needs it. You know right now. It's fair except one day internet explorer. One day we don't know when that is but with but i mean. How many years has this taken. When when when was the current version so to speak of internet. Or i released right. It was like a decade ago. Wasn't it eleven. Is that the most recent a eleven. I think i don't know he. yeah anyway. Twelve between out now. I don't even know it was so long ago we cover. It is yeah yeah. Yeah but skype consumer we i. I have not heard anything that makes me believe. There's an imminent plan to kill it. Maybe there's a long-term plan but right now there's no imminent plan. Was you know we've pretty much abandoned it Yeah i partly because tech mostly because it's technical reasons. But i always had this kind of feeling that we should probably find a solution and alternate before you know. One day i wake up and We don't have using now. And i don't think zooms going anywhere and we're getting. I think we're pretty happy with a picture in the video and working well works. Well yeah i mean. I started using skype in two thousand five. Let's incredible yeah. There was still some pascal there. That's but that yeah. They weren't owned by microsoft. Yeah that's when We started the show. The podcast that we're going to fact if it weren't for skype i wouldn't have been able to do it because nobody was intent. Nobody lives in petaluma. Me right And so Skype i thank you skype We'll miss you but also miss my non electric typewriter selectric at the time it was Yes great yeah. I still wish i had a selectric then with the ball. I'm still the ball out and use different. Yeah different funding the ball. They had a big speech writer fought. That was really big now. Learned how to learn how to type on a manual typewriter. Or i got me to amazing. I was like oh man. It was so good when we got elected. I'd really strong finger muscles though back in those that and working on the grill. At mcdonald's man my fingers you stand down. There'd lethal weapons. You don't even have fingerprints anymore. Longtime remember them that when they're teaching you the grill. I say just put your fingers on the burgers when you're flipping. What do you mean they're hot. you'll get used to it. You'll get us good burn hill. That doesn't hurt. It's that you can't just don't care. Slow changes come to excel for the were show changes so oh not sludge is does this. My only issue with the story is that it's what is what is the deal with putting stuff on the web. I don't understand why is it always first right. Yeah i guess because it's easiest. Maybe but i i wish i'd like to see microsoft Develop a strategy for new features in office products where it appears i on the web and then after thirty days appears on desktop or something like that like some you know because the inevitable question is okay very interested in this feature. When am i gonna sorry. No one has said of show. Changes is a way is basically that Unlimited undo type of thing where you can go back and see all the changes over sixty days that any person has made an excel spreadsheet because you can collaborate with others obviously. And that's that's awesome right. That's a great feature. i'd love to have it real excel Or desktop alert. If you want to call it but anyway right now if you want this feature it's generally available on the web only right no idea if it's ever coming to other platforms item to be super super popular based on. It tweeted about people like flipping game chat and now thanks to Kev brewer in our discord. 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Because i'm going to say the best stories last okay. I dump the fluff buddy. So microsoft was ready to spend. What was it eleven. Twelve billion dollars in discard twelve. Right twelve said. Yeah and then. Sony partnered with this like three days but a- if that's any different than microsoft has an xbox partnership with discord are radius right. It's not exclusive It doesn't wrote anything microsoft can do with disorders already. Doing yes right. But no more in on dischord then. Microsoft is yeah yeah. They're going to fully integrate it with a playstation. So this is what you know. Microsoft could still do this right so i wouldn't. I wouldn't give pope on this but i think when when they lost out on discard it was like. Oh well. that's the end of that. You know they could still use right. I mean that's an idea this by the way we should mention that you know we you When we started club twitter about three weeks ago by the way thank you to the thousands of people join and yes. There's room for you. Seven bucks a month gets you add free shows including this one audio and video all shows at free. So there's no tracking. There's no ads Also get a discord and the discord has been so much fun. i understand. Suddenly why kids are so excited about this court. It's it's i feel like it's a modern social network. It started with gaming and so it makes sense for sony and microsoft used that with their consoles. But it's you know it could be anything it's it's so it was a good with the kids did you. So yo hello fellow. Kids up dogs. It's what is your handle. Going to be mc paul and say coming at you know that's old fashioned hamid mc thoraya. I am hamid. You should do a boston thing for sure. Have an awesome idea for a boston. Based a goal call it a sitcom called townies. Yeah yeah it's basically just me and my friend. John's sitting at a bar. I never never changes. It's always this one play. Hold on good. John and i are quite funny when we're together sure but every week there would be different people would kind of come and go from the bar and they would supply the the variety. Does everybody know your name at this bar. Is there guy named cliff. That's kind of a know it all. He's you know kind. Always say and We have no no no no cast of characters per se you characters and then it isn't. It's only a show about nothing mc cod I think you. Mary jo could actually do a i new. You're both from that. Region could really do this whole show neck. Maybe april fools next year. You could do the whole show in a boston accent. I was left that man. The only way my accent comes out. As if i've had too many to drink suddenly all the ours are lost. And we'll we'll do uh sam. I'm sorry this better boston beer than that is better. Give me my giving my trillium right. Truly delirium trends. That's a different one. I'm sorry i'm learning the linguistic. When i met my about three my sisters from my my dad my real father when i was a teenager and so they spent many months. Just trying to get me to say things in a boston. Like they say cats park the car yard amac. I'm the only one the only one in my family who doesn't have the boston accent. Wto i loved the boston x. every america zabad today. I told this story. I must have. I was in banking in phoenix for the one year. I had to go back to work. Because i couldn't get in state tuition and i was working as a bank and i was talking to somebody at work and someone else i worked with was just kind of staring at me and i was like what and he says you know. You can do a really good version of that. Ask not what you do for your country. Spatial country can and i was like I just kind of resolve that. I'm gonna work this also. That's not a boston. Continue on with the wicked cool. Yes news so I'm sorry i'm the one who's so every month. I usually twice a month. Microsoft announces games. That are coming to the game pass platform across a console. Pc and cloudbursts. Well it's really mobile. Whatever you wanna call it the cloud streaming service Last month of. I'm not mistaken. I think actually at three separate announcements but based on the first announcement for this is going to cover the first half of the month so they build speed to again but they did just not several new games that are coming to xbox game pass Depending on where you are just caused for reloaded. Big game last two. I think it is right around older red dead or is this So i'm not this. I don't know what this red dead online as opposed to red dead redemption. One or two I don't know i've never heard of that. Yeah that's a fun Yeah yeah fifa. Twenty twenty twenty one Lots of good stuff. So that's good. That's all good final fantasy so that means you have a game pass you play these for free. Basically yes you get. Yeah you get it as part of your subscription Last was february. Maybe microsoft announced some features coming to xbox series access off for old against Auto hdr fps boost. Right so auto. She our ads. h. e. artifacts. Two games that were created before there was hdr because each year Automatically without any requirement for the developer to do anything. So it's kind of cool and then the fps boost is typically designed. I would not always. It's not always as clean but let's say games that were running at thirty frames per second canal. Run at sixty frames per second using one of the newer. Nice tonsils right. Yeah so when announce. Fps boost They were probably twenty something game. Maybe they're twelve or something out of ten more of a tie there. There were twenty something of them. But as of two days ago ish There's almost one hundred now. They added seventy four more games to the list. That support this feature which is up. That's awesome right so if you have one of the newer consoles this is part of the the promise of xbox upgrade your games come forward and they become better on the newer platform so that's neat paw paw is back. He says he's talking about the he says there's a date an error in the date. Format and the old control panel and removes. The date only shows the clock if you use as the format lower case four space capital m. in the short date field or d space capitalism. Yeah lower case four ds. dd space. Kaplan i guess not right now. 'cause i'm talking mary. Jo is probably not the settings panel control panel in the region settings additional settings date tab the short they'd see as part of your regional settings you're saying in my world we live he di di di apple as catalan in my world. We say a phone sounds like there's a four character day of the month plus a capital month and that breaks things. Yeah aleka try it. This would be cool. I'm going to try log is get a dog may get his red denver dempsey and that's true yes Okay moving right along okay more. Let's go mark he was doing. I was looking. I was looking at it. I believe it occurred to me. Maybe not doing it on the news every day. You know it's just screenshot. I have a right. I have a machine just for screenshots standards ahead of the show's over all i will i will. I mean myself right now. Yeah why not quite a while your time about exit. Okay mary jo. You could do this with me. Yes i recommend it so anyway. But i will try. Thank you okay. So where are we must Got fbi xbox game pass okay so As you probably know this isn't really a topic for the show per se but epic. An apple are actually in court this week. Which has as excited as a little girl in the first day kindergarten. Ooh and There's a lot of stuff coming of this but Among the the de it was probably a deposition came from. I think epic vice president. Joe kreiner said that They are not gonna put fortnight on xbox cloud gaming previously surprise Because they see it to be competitive with their pc offerings that same old epic. Wow interesting Wow this is. I gotta say one of the nicer things. That's happened over. The few years is kind of an opening up of cross play. We'll call it Sony was very much against us for many years. They've opened up You know to it finally actually. I think i played a role in making that happen And little things like this. It's like like yes whatever. It's never going to be perfect right. I don't know how. I don't play fortnite so i'm not sure what the cross play situation is on fortnight but obviously this is a game available on consoles. Pc ville mobile not an iphone You know it's it's basically everywhere so there must be some cross play right. I must be right. But i don't know i don't know how that works. Anyway it's not coming to exploit the xbox xbox gaming so there you go epic Oh halo infinite. Right so halo. Infinite was delayed the office. Yeah yeah yeah. They should be because they're gonna use this full year to make it better game and one of the really cool things they're doing with. It is actually what i just talked about. Which is They're going to add cross play and cross progression across pc and console. As which i kind of expected honestly But they're also gonna support it. Features like ultra wide displays. Oh nice Which is really interesting. Of course yeah. A frame rates and resolutions and all that stuff so If you are a pc gamer and you looking forward to halo. it's actually. I'd say it's probably going to be a better experience on the pc So that's cool zero date yet on Yeah i think it's just i don't know the exact day but i'm gonna say probably november this year. Okay and to the okay. I think there's a date i believe. There's a date i'd i think. They delayed it literally one year. But maybe maybe there isn't a final remember. We saw that and the launch video. I will never forget it. Because i waited so the wizard of is like i was like this is going to explode into some modern. Awesome other moving to the next thing. What is this didn't know. It was like watching like doom sixty four. You'll like it looks better than the original but it's still really old. Yeah anyway gonna fix it. It looks guy with everything they've shown far Since then has looks fantastic. So i i think this is. This is one of the bigger stories. I would say of the week and it's still kind of hanging in the air because it's not completely told as of yet but microsoft. This past week announced that they would lower their fees to game developers. Only in the microsoft store for pc's below that industry standard thirty percent. Right right so now. Developers are going to get eighty percent of the revenue. Awhile dig the seventy percent right so used to seventy thirty split now. It's an eighty eight or will be innate twelve split. I think this goes into effect. They're so smart because of course right now the epic trial against apple is going on the f. All eyes are on this Good timing thing. Three i saw. Can i say one thing about this. Of course of course like to me. This was like a no brainer. That microsoft did that because of the trial right. But then i saw people saying i wonder why they decided to announce that this week. And i'm like wait. Are you kidding me like you think. It was coincidental incidental. Well so here's here's what's truly interesting about this This information is contained in part of the evidence the apple versus is internal documentation microsoft supplied that dates back to. I wanna say december. It's not december january but it it it dates back a few months. And there's a couple of really interesting bits in there One is the thing that they just announced that sometime. In the first half of twenty twenty one microsoft was going to lower the The split from thirty seventy thirty two eighty eight twelve for the microsoft store. Pc's but the same document says that sometime later in the year. They're going to do the same thing on console. And i gotta say that was my first reaction to this was. That's that's really interesting but the microsoft store on windows. It's not a huge deal. It's probably pretty good for games but you know compared to like xbox durable starts. It's not a big thing. The bigger deal would be if they did this on xbox consoles that would be incredible now that may not be happening right so The verge got a quote from them where they said We have no plans to change. The revenue share for console games. At this time. I would say that doesn't necessarily change anything because the document says the plan is for that to happen later in the year so it could happen later and it doesn't make the quote wrong. They have since seneca microsoft right. they can't communicate so they since gave them a second quote. That basically said that you know we don't have any plans to change. We're not changing it. But i i would not lose hope one hundred percent yet like this could still happen this type of thing. That should happen now because this would really hurt apple and i. I'm surprised they can't do that. But my suspicion. And i think mary jo probably agrees with this is that it's probably too expensive for microsoft to do this. From xbox xbox is a business. That really doesn't make money at all and this would make it lose more money and you know and by the way would probably be really popular would probably bring more games for the console. They probably lose more money. You know it's kind of a weird deal. But i love. I don't think they can afford it like they're losing money on every xbox console they make really wow yup yup they were going to make it up in the store but now under you'll lose money period. Well that's always been the theory right. It's the razor blade plan. You know you lose money on the initial hardware purchase but you make it up over time because there's some kind of a fee associated with every game you saw cetera et cetera. But i don't believe xboxes ever been profitable. I mean they may have had the one quarter here or there but Or you know what now that we've written off the know seven billion dollars to build the xbox one or whatever now now this quarter we were profitable. It's like well okay. But over time this is not a profitable business. I started out. I really don't feel like this is over yet. But maybe there's a different percentage change that would make sense. Maybe this can happen. I don't know. I don't know but the if you look at that documentation it literally says calendar year Twenty twenty one. We're going to do this on xbox. That was the plan. So i would like that to be the plan but interesting. That's the big one interesting big one elizabeth grabbing his chest as he says all right i. I think it's ready. We're ready to go to the back of the book. If you already. We will do that. Let's start questions from digital nervous. I'm so nervous about going to the back of the bucko. don't go to the back the book yet. Do you want to take some questions. Sure actually can. I ask you a question. Yeah i though if you're in the club twit discord hand. If you have a question. For paul mary jo or comet with a couple of people in there. Go ahead. Also raise your hand if you have an answer this question. Because i'm interested about all right so. Hp sent me this elite fully. Oh which is the kind of special successors that leather covered laptop. They had the which was called the spectra folio Basic form factor. The exterior is a vegan leather. Like letter which by the way is awesome feels nice. I really liked the form factor. It's windows ten arm this time. So that's the big difference right We all know the problems with a center on our but my question is my understanding is i. Don't run windows ten day to day. I just haven't thought about this but now that this is arrived in thinking about it again is if i were to run x sixty four apps on windows ten arm. I think i still have to get the deb version of the windows inside our preview. My question is is that true or is this capability available to some other channel in the windows inside program. Because honestly i'd rather not go to dev on this thing. I'd like you know i wouldn't mind going Like beta or release preview. Obviously because those things are coming out soon but that's a question so i don't know if anybody has that i believe it's only on death i did not have to remember is because i downloaded windows on arm for the Virtualization on the mac. That's the only way you can do right right. And i didn't have to join anything i didn't have to be anybody I just was able don't know it's not that so the channel. It was on to explain it. Yeah so to explain. Why what the issue is there The deb channel is not associated with a version of windows. Right yeah i. I don't mind you know in other words if if someone's if it was like like it's Well beta and release pre right off. I'm not mistaken. I think are both twenty one. H one stall right so that would be a really safe thing to go to. That's going to be released any day. Now it's not a problem deb. Channel is a little more. If to me because i don't know how you get out of it and i don't wanna have to wipe it and i don't you know it's like it's arm box like i don't wanna screw with it but if i could install something semi safe and get x sixty four. I'd be all over it. But i wanna so doing a quick bang on this as when does yes it does. I see you Windows on arm can run x sixty four epsom beta bit. Where did you see that. I see it on. Those tens of aid is better than death. Way to release esera. Let's see search for december. If i'm not mistaken it was dev only originally but maybe that maybe maybe this is a mistake. 'cause i'm looking at now on. I'm like i think that. I still think it did it. Ever go to bay that after that raphael's telling me it's Dev only is. They're still devastating. Yeah so that's a mistake was twenty one to seven banged it. I shouldn't have been the guys should have wrapped it. Let me ask you to the stage. And i should mention that this is for club twit members. If you're not yet a member you go to twitter dot tv slash club. Tweeting about seven bucks. A month I have invited not in orbit recoup and x minus on stage waiting for vernon vincit. Let's start with recruiting. Because he was the first to raise his hand on me your mic and say hello to paul and mary jo. Hey guys Yes we great. Where are you from chennai india. Are you calling from tonight. That's awesome welcome. Nice to have you. Am i saying your name rank. Kuti no actually That severe using my name is scott the cutback okay all questions. Cutie is a great name to go ahead. Basically means that The animal so my question. My questions to paul. I know he has. He used to have a microsoft abandoned here right now. You spend bit. So i was just thinking a clear league that is a marketable because like fed bitten apple. Watch out selling like crazy numbers. Do you think that the surface team we know when the service go does a hotbed. They really do their research. And like they hardware exception I as far as i know so do you think down the line. There's a possibility that the day me have a second goal at wearables like that is clearly a space in the marketplace to you know they provided right so i i don't think they will do it again but i i will say this like the When when the first version of the band came out the thing that was unique about it was just the sheer number of sensors. That had had Today that's actually pretty common across smartwatches than even fitness bands. But at the time was a real differentiator and of course microsoft is one of those companies that most people i would trust with their data. They have healthcare connections and so forth like it seemed like a good fit The second version of the band Mostly some of the problems they have with the first version Around learn reliability and all that stuff and it just seemed like a like a market. They should stay in at the time and to me even now i. I understand why they got out of phones. I kind of don't understand why they got out of fitness bands and I i do use a a fitbit smartwatch. Today what i really want is a fitness band sized device like the band like the microsoft ban But with a color screen and fitbit just announced the first version of a product like that like last week. And i'm not going to get to watch. But i'd like that form factor better than a watch. You know which is like this. Big thing sitting on your wrist But i i just feel like from a capabilities perspective. Unfortunately i don't remember how many years it is now. But the fitbit's and apple watches of the world of kind of caught up from a capabilities perspective. I just don't. I don't think i just don't see him getting back into this too bad but i wanna throw a but in here but microsoft said they would never make a phone again and then raided the surface duo which is not really a phone but sort of they could do something like that with the ban like they got totally out of fitness bands but they introduced some new kind of form factor like a bracelets type thing or whatever that is a smart bracelet or some kind of smart device and say well. We said we weren't going to be in fitness fans. But we never said we weren't and is the micro band was such a perfect compromise between the time basic fitbit bands in full full blown Apple watch types watches They seem ambivalent about health. They got out of microsoft health. I know in the privacy considerations that they don't want a consumer health right they got a ton of of enterprise hell froze stuff on the back end still right. I wish things never let this market. I really like my wife and the last band broke right. Like the hardware was terrible right. It was like it was the first thing i won. Those fell apart. The second I didn't experience that myself but yeah may be. The first one was a huge problem. You might remember. We went You remember the The danish bar in san francisco The kelly thank you And so microsoft showed up and swapped bands for me. So i could get a. That's that's fun mckellar. do you have one Is that what you're asking or what's your interest in the band. I haven't used banned. But i do own several pitch. Like six hundred sh. They all went through the laundry. So food policy mentioning that is sort of reason why they left phones and there's a reason why again like trying back on the phone but the industry debatable industries alive. I don't see point why they need to need that market. I don't i explain it either. I i really wish they'd stuck it out But microsoft could be wrong about this bit of it. But i feel like microsoft might have been one of those microsoft products never made it outside the united states is. That's right like i. I think it might have only been available in the us. For the short time it was available couple of years whatever was cartagena. It's the middle of the night. How are things in your area of india. We hear terrible news about india and covid nineteen. How're you doing your I'm working from home actually So i haven't ventured outside quite safe but the other things up pretty Stuff it's tough well. Our our thoughts are with you and Do stay safe and it's great to hear from you. It's so nice to have have you listening especially in the middle of the night. Thank you thank you and carthy let me move onto not in orbit who has a lovely raccoon as as turi not norman. I'm one how we doing. Great where are you calling from. Nowhere near as interesting as karki. I'm ann arbor michigan in arbor. That's interesting what. What's your question for paul maryja have. It's not a question that i have an idea for you about a windows subsystem for lennox last couple weeks you all have been asking. Kind of what is the point. And i feel like you've sort of danced around what i think. The point is i haven't quite nailed it. And i think it's for enterprise system management. Yes i'm i think you're right security pro. Yes this admin. And i've got a lot of tools for managing windows systems. Nev- related limited capabilities for doing lennox and mac system. So if i can get the tools my users need on windows boxes. I can sell easily manage those systems without having to stand up a bunch of extra stuff for the mac and monica environments makes perfect sense. Yeah thanks a lot of sense Which which lennox district. You use From the microsoft store. Do you have a preference. I've got kelly running on my system just security tools and much of a lennox. Caesar yeah but but but having those available on your users systems you gives you some capability. Wouldn't have with windows. Otherwise fresh teams more looking things. Like mapping drives to our windows back end servers giant pain in the by on mannix mac systems. Being able to do that. Our windows still has mannix utilities. The dab team the research scientists want is going to be huge for us. That makes a lotta sense. Great great to hear from you. Thank you not nor but we appreciate it. Thank you move on to Let's see x. Minus t i think we talked to his t before i x t- good afternoon. Everyone welcome hi was wondering as my hearing feedback or is it just me. It must just be you sound fine yeah. I was wondering Everyone microsoft have the single sign on service passport That was the very first before buddy. Yeah that was a hailstorm. Yeah yeah yeah is that what was called. Originally hailstorm was the overall It was the only thing they ever yet articles them. So but i was. I was wondering so now. Apple's getting into the single sign on google for says there's and i'm trying to get off of all google services as many as can and i switched over to outlook. I have office three sixty five subscription I use outlook for my my desktop blah blah blah. I'm trying to get off google services and but there's some things i can't get rid of and i was wondering if microsoft would ever consider having a single sign on again. Oh they i mean they do You so kind to do with their with the authenticator. Yeah i was wondering. Yeah just like random websites and they. There's probably a service that they would agr- passport was an idea before its time had done it now. I think they might have been a huge success. Yeah i think so. There's no good name for this but microsoft ha obviously has defended cater but they also have this kind of back end Password service that is part of microsoft edge and you can bring it to mobile through the authenticator app so that your instead of using google's password autofill capabilities or on. Is apple's you can use microsoft's instead And i i did. Actually i wrote something about that. It back in march. I think And i'm using it now but i but as far as you know like password management and No like what microsoft calls password. Less signing I actually think they do a better job of it than anybody. So i just as apple. Also that's why. I would be interested in seeing more widespread than the two things i really like about. It are I i signed into a computer to review type in my Email address and hit enter. And then i type you know. I go to authenticator up. I don't. I don't remember the password. I don't have to worry about that. So that's cool. the microsoft does right. That apple and google don't write drives me crazy. Is fused windows. Hello and windows. Whether it's a pin or a fingerprint or a camera you never have to type in your password. Ever but when you sign into a mac or an eye west device or google android device every once in a while it will say For better security we have to. You have to type in your hands for the way. These things are better security like these microscopic never makes you do that. yeah So i think the closest you can get to. What i think you're looking for is what i just described so obviously windows microsoft's and Whatever mobile platform using You can replace the autofill use microsoft authenticator and then replaced the autofill which works for websites and apps on that platform Through authenticator and it mostly works. I mean i. I said only because The unfortunately most people who are using well just a byproduct of most people who've been using google all along every once in a while you'll see something called like i think it's Google smart lock will pop up your passwords. The kind of still there or sometimes you'll you'll be hitting like a password field in an app waiting for the little thing to come up with a keyboard we can use a thin and it never appears I think that's just because it's new. I think that will eventually happen. Or maybe it's hasn't moved to the way you know absa written but i think that's that's the modern version of the passport in new. I think the your your review a couple months ago said that the authenticator Just come out with the power till answering. I think you said it's a little early days on and i was just wondering. Yeah yeah and that's and that's the type of thing. I'm talking like every once in a while for some reason it just doesn't do. The mechanic can't no way to know why you know but mostly mostly works great. I mean you see you go to a website. You'll see signing with twitter signed with google with apple c- even have signing with microsoft. Now do but you never see it anywhere except on microsoft yeah Bruna was known that out in the case the air is you're using microsoft edges the browser or you're using a chromium based browser with like the I don't remember what it's called but the microsoft Add in that will enable the same functionality. I have to say in most cases the signing with facebook twitter google apple is really just a ploy to gather information about you. It's it's so maybe microsoft just doesn't have the same interest in You know david. If i'm not obviously not a mac or an apple guy i i. What with me co-hosting podcasts. And everything. But if i were i would trust apple right with this information. I think they're trustworthy kind of company. So come mac. Ios guy. i wouldn't have any problems that i'm not so As microsoft guy. I i do trust microsoft. They certainly trust microsoft. More than i should say. Google yeah And understand your desire to get away from that as much as possible. But right now i think this is as far as you can. Go with that I don't know that you'll ever see a sign it with microsoft. I don't think it's one hundred percent necessary because if you're using the microsoft back end stuff however using it where literally through edge on mobile through this password microsoft authenticator. It's not really necessary. You know i do love the single sign on thing though where you just you log into windows and says are we're gonna send you a message on your phone. That is that is. I think that's fantastic more widely used. You know what you know where that doesn't isn't supported though oddly as in Native store apps on windows right so you signed in with your microsoft account. I mean you can't do it like a microsoft apps do this they'll pass through your signing right which is what you want typically They'll let you sign out and sign into another account. If you want an individual apps. but i don't you don't see a lot of that in third party apps for some reason. I wonder if that is it using. Oh off to or is it some other technology and wonder yeah. Hey thank you x minus t did that. I don't even know if that answered the question. I'm starting it's enough you raise you raise an interesting point you know. Microsoft was very early on single. Sign on i think i think hailstorm failed so badly They kinda got cold feet about and there were some fundamentally good ideas in there. Yeah we'll take one more. This is fun you guys wanted to one more. Let's get one for. Mary jo in here though vernon vernon vincent's next tele verdon. Hey guys can you hear me okay. Clear wonderful wonderful First of all. I do want to say what a what a pleasure it is to talk to you guys. I followed paul since the mid nineties as when he was covering the microsoft antitrust trial. And it's it's just been really exciting to just kind of watching those weekly over the years and all of that. So i want to get my fan boy out of the way. This is great. Thank you also I i bet married. I recognize your face. Oh yeah yeah no. I tried a consistent graph. Yeah so anyway. i'm here. I've been watching as you know. Some people have the the apple epic trial which has just been fascinating in the the revelations and the various leaked emails. It's like watching teams as leo. You know. I put some thought lately into you know the app store issue because i kind of agree with the thoughts that multiple app stores just won't work. They've proven that they really don't. They're not a viable solution. But then a few weeks ago i had read about microsoft maybe opening up Opening up their store for developers to host their own apps on their own content delivery services and then hooked those into their app stores and that kind of dovetailed with something. I was thinking in my head. Which was maybe google using like a federated solution for apps like Like the way podcasts. Do you have a file. It gets uploaded. And i just wanted to get your. Your guys is thoughts point of view on that. Because that really seems like it would nicely handle apple will never go along with this of course but just wanted to see if there's any if there's any pitfalls or technical issues i hadn't really thought about on that well there. There is the rumor that with the new windows. Whatever that is coming up When microsoft reorganizes the app store that there could be a way to have Apps from other vendors like like have almost like a sub store of amazon a sub store google inside of the microsoft store or to show up in the microsoft store is one rumor. I've been hearing more lately And that would that would kind of give us the clue you know about the rumor that Around project latino which is the android apps running on windows because we keep saying. How is that going to happen. like how. How physically is that going to happen. Well maybe that's the way that happens rate. So i i don't know technically how that would work or if it would just be a pointer to the other stores or whatever but i'm sure microsoft would have loved to have their store be more than just you know. Apps of developers built for windows. They wanna make it like the universal store but again how that happens and if that can happen what say amazon and google would get out of that happening. I don't really know. I think this kind of goes back to that. I think you talked about this last week. That conversation with kevin gala two years ago at bill at the time the plan was that microsoft developer microsoft focused developers could take apps privacy had to be distributed store and would allow them to be distributed. Anywhere the problem. There was that one of the promises of the stories that somehow these apps are vetted and they're supposed to be trustworthy users and they hadn't figured out at that time how to make that work right and now we're hearing rumors that that's finally gonna happen so two years later. Maybe they have figured that out. Maybe this is all part of that plan. But i don't know i. This is kind of tangential to this. But i the more. I think about it. You know when you think about apple and african spotify the stuff that's going on in the court cases. I think the behavioral change it has to happen is more important than i in fact as much more desirable than multiple app stores right. Like i'd rather. I don't mind apple having their own app store. Google does whatever. But they're being unfair right now right so if they could solve this problem to by lowering fees by not letting or by allowing developers used on payment systems by allowing developers to contact their customers. You know that kind of stuff I like what constitutes a store right if if the kindle app lets you browse the store of kindle content is that store on a star or You know get back. Wants to sell Little things for fortnight night inside a fortnight. I mean is that a store technically i mean they you know. I don't know i don't i to me. Those are just in-app purchases. I understand store literally store. Maybe in both cases I don't know and then you know windows. It's a completely different thing. Because unfortunately or whatever display way of circumstance windows windows. It's desktop operating system. I mean the weather store has not taken off in any appreciable way. If it wasn't there. Would it matter. I don't i don't know i mean it's it's got no k. I think for people who play games on. Pc it's another way to get games on the basic you know. It's not replacing anything kind of sits alongside steam. Which have their own stories. Yeah i would. I would though like there to be a place. Where if i needed a productivity app or some non game app to that i could go. Just go and feel like safer about downloading it. You know i mean there's still can be malware and stores and there are a lot of examples of that happening. But i guess i would just feel for quote normal users. It feels it feels like an extra level of protection instead of saying to them. Yeah go download chrome because there's so many fake points good licensing associated with it. I always use the like photoshop. Example like photoshop elements you can install it on however many computers you have associated with your accounts fantastic So i like that stuff. But i i. I don't know it just. It doesn't feel super essential it. It hasn't replaced anything else you know and by the way microsoft doesn't use themselves for a lot of things you still go to office dot com office. Can't download the office apps. I can you know even on the mac. I can download just word. Just excel if. I want that In their student right. Yeah so. I mean like visual studio any less safe because it's not in the store. It's still coming to you from microsoft obviously to. I don't know it's it's it's something know for some explain this i. I really wanted to tell us what's going on with this sun valley and all that you know it is too well and by the way so we keep always punt. Thanks for like you know. Build is coming. Maybe we'll talk about it then right so this is a really good example. Something has to be disgusted bill because it's developer related right so if whether they talk about sun valley explicitly like new features and the new. Look and feel whatever Anything that they're doing that changes. The developer story should be discussed the bill so i would hope if this is happening this year. Whatever it is that they do discuss it build and that's only what three weeks away so that afghan we're gonna we're gonna cover the keno because you told me to we've way but where are you located. I am located just west of springfield illinois. Nice it's great to have you. Thanks for coming in. thanks for joining wedding. We really really appreciate it. this is becoming an exercise in talking but not necessarily answering questions like how can i mean it's a conversation. It's kind of unanswerable. I guess you know in the sense that like we don't literally know what they're doing so it's kinda hard to say. Yeah but it's raising an issue. I have no problem with Thank you to all our callers. I'm we're not going to get jack and Crazy andy roy. But we we will do it. Roy jenkins yeah. Well i asked him. And that's exactly where it comes from. He's a gamer in knowsley jenkins Let's do the back of the book. Thanks for listening to twit and crowded field of digital products and services. You can stand out by. On the twit network we offer customized host. Red adds a elevate. Your services and products to are tech savvy affluent audience twit as authentic specialized and oliver shows include video. Which means we can show off. Products websites and customize videos visit twit dot tv slash advertise and launch a tailored campaign. That's twit dot tv slash. Advertise pulse orion. Kickoff thing that you've been putting it off now it's who We talked about windows. Ten version twenty one h one and You may remember. I don't remember when this ended exactly They made a change in the windows inside a program that kind of removed this necessity but they used to be this thing. I called the magic window and it was this period of time. Where if you were the insider program you were on the next version of windows and the next version of windows was coming out. You can kind of get off the train and then you would just kind of pick up normal Updates like through the stable channel. Essentially going forward you know. It's kind of a neat idea. I think sometimes people test version of windows while they get kind of burnt out from testing at one. Install the bills. And they're like you know what just want to be in stable now for a while and maybe in the future switchback so we don't have to do that anymore. Because now there's a switch in settings where you can just literally on the windows insider page and settings you can say when the when when this version of windows comes out. Take me out of here right so you don't have to build that anymore. It's nice but we can still get windows ten version twenty one h one early. We want it. I've had a lot of people. Ask me why they would want such a thing If you're asking me that question you don't want it. That's a silly question. Why why why does why did they did. The man climb the mountain because it was there you know why does the windows enthusiasts want the next version of windows windows. There's yes you know There is no major new feature as me discuss. But if you want it you can get easily enough and There are a couple of different ways the way that i have done. This is just to Enroll your computer in the release. A preview reboot come in and check for updates. You'll be offered twenty one. H one install it reboot and then then there's that switch show if you go look and see what it says if you go to Settings update and security and then windows insider program. I can't see because i'm not on the inside of program here There'll be a switch. The bottom it says Get me out of this program. I'm paraphrasing give me out of this program When the next version ships all right so you just flick it to on and you're good you'll you'll get updates if there are any before it's released and once it is released you'll get updates through stable channel normally in windows update so super easy Not as messes. It used to be not a huge reason to get it. I mean for sure and then For the app pick It's i feel like every week. There's been It's like browser browser browser proud. A lot of new browser stuff going on so This week this past week bill. Bali announced the latest version of their chromium browser Compared to things like edge or chrome itself. I guess or Opera or else is out there brave. I don't remember what i've said air. But also other chromium browsers. I think the big differentiator in vivaldi is just the customization star. So if you want a browser that you can literally customize every little thing and make it looked exactly you why you should be looking at the kind of amazing But one of the things that they added this week was a feature called. Cookie crumbles which i just love the name of Which is based on their ad blocking feature which by the way it's also another built in feature of bill. Volley it what it does is. It eliminates most of the cookie warnings. You go to website late whether it's a mobile desktop where you know it's like this site would like to send you notifications These things Or i'm sorry. I'm they'll like a cookie. Pop like confusing things Couple summers ago. We went to europe. Every european website has like a cookie thing. It's like a gd pr Feature or gdp our requirements. I should say yes. I've already agreed cookies. But you have to agree every single time. This will turn those off for most Sites and they use To public third party block lists To determine Which cookies to just kind of cell by perfect apparently It but it should work properly with most websites and like an adblocker. You can say Turn this feature off for this particular website if you're experiencing problems so i think just a mortgage sweet delicious pastry named cookie cookie. Cookie crumbles rummler unnecessarily cute. But i like hey by the way. I just tried pogs tip in a works does it does but good luck. Getting into the classic control panel in windows ten. Because apparently it's it's it's hidden deeply away in Twenty h one. I found An article on how to do it But it's yeah they they buried it. You have to actually do the run command and type in an obscure run command. Yeah it is It is Yeah but you can get to it. Explorer dadi exc- space. Shell right triple colon and then you have to know this long good crazy but once you find that you can get to it. You have to go in the date Region settings the date settings and without getting back into the modern settings panel and Yeah if you do. D d d space capital. I see no date on my task bar. I like it which. I'm now wondering. How do i get it back. Actually but it does. It totally works. It totally works. Yeah nice But i do think that you're probably up today. Which means you can't just go to the classic remote control panel anymore. You have to jump through some hoops to get to figure it out. Really you want some help. Paul come over. I can do it sure okay. Mary jo came up with this hobby. Paul i don't know where he found it to get the day back. Hit the reset button on that page. Obviously back to the rich paul. You've done it again. Oh my might be much point Let us let us go to mary. Jo foley and it's time for her enterprise pick of the week right. My enterprise pick is goals. What kind of goals. You may ask goals empower. Bi of course so microsoft announced a feature this week called goals impact or be i which as the name indicates builds on top of power. Bi goals is something that people care about performance management type products will care about unless you measure your key business metrics and then use those against goals so that you can figure out in a where am i. Where do i wanna be and create goals for yourself and your organization and kind of keep tabs on your towards them as one of my colleagues. Fz net said goals makes your kpi's. You're okay ours and your scorecards remarkably easily connected and integrated with other apps teams. If you don't know what those acronyms you probably don't care about goals actually. Kpi key performance indicator okay our objectives and key results. So if you are somebody who who's kind of been scarred by scorecards through the kevin turner error episode for soft and the word. Scorecards really scares you. You might wanna rethink it and try out goals so right now. It is in public preview. ultimately it will be built into power. bi premium which goes for twenty dollars per user per month or ten dollars per user per month. Add onto power bi pro. their data. well goals go. Go go go. We got two hundred prospects today. We do the second enterprise pick since we were talking about windows and where is it along the roadmap earlier. Let's talk about windows server. Twenty twenty two. Because of that name you would you would think it was either be out next year or at least towards the end of this calendar year. And that's kind of what we've all been thinking all the way along but we may be in a situation where microsoft is going to under promise and over deliver remember that from the good old windows as yet it's back i think windows server twenty twenty two maybe out before the end of this year because Some things changed last week with the new build around it There was no more water. Mark on it People were having trouble using their existing keys. And we'll be asked microsoft. What's going on with server. Twenty twenty two. They said we have no comment. So i think what's going to happen is they're going to make this available earlier. I don i won't say before mid-year i think you know maybe a row midyear and here's my plug if you want to know more about what we know right now about server twenty twenty two where we think it is. I did a very interesting microsoft chat. Recently microsoft chat called. Mj f chat on petrie. Where we where. I talked with my special guest. Michael irs all about server twenty twenty two and what we know and don't know it's free. It's on petrie dot com and there's a transcript a podcast we. We don't know more than we know at this point but still we do know a few things so if you care about the next version of server you should check that out. Could you pretend to use a surface book. Isn't that sweet. Get that maybe. That was year old circle. That's that's my surface laptop three okay. It looked like the nets picture at ampara. Took that picture of me. When i was at twit the less time. So it's the greatest. Yeah he just took a candidate. I'm like wow. That's agree picture. He's such a good photographer. So unobtrusive to just a guy that big with muscles sneak up on you but he does. He's very good photographer. So sweet that you just kind of you know you kind of go with it. So that's at petrie. Dot com p. t. r. dot com the j. f. chat most recent one cool. Now now let us let us get some beer in here or not a beer. It's qanon tales. It's cocktail cookie. Leo yes it is cinco de mayo today. What oh my god yes so. Mary jo asked my wife. Maybe had a cinco de maya themed cocktail for today. She has liquor she does the cocktail everyday. Than's and why and So i'm actually not. I've not heard this term before but her the drink is called a pink paloma and plumber is apparently a kind of a cocktail It's grapefruit juice based which is my wife's favorite honestly with cocktails. This doesn't surprise me But basically four ounces of pink grapefruit juice We have a we have a neighbor. who's yeah we. Of course. The name one of the cocktails. We have a neighbor whose mother sends him crates of citrus. Every month. i've no idea why We get these giant grapefruit All the time and use them for cocktail sweep basic by wife has like an industrial juicer. And she juices For the neighborhood but anyway four ounces a pink grapefruit juice One half of lime juice splash simple syrup and two ounces of tequila or meskel which is interesting because this is a very different Most cal is Very smokey usually which is eli is a mess. Cal by inserting. But there's so it's in the category as cal but it's a kind of moscow. That is not good. Yeah okay. That's i only know that because mike elkin told me because we're going to drink a lot of mess cal enough in october so yeah yeah so I think it's from that area like this please. They make it feel it. Yeah yeah right. Well they typically you. Don't take get tequila in oaxaca. You get miscount. Because that's what they. They drink given a tequila. His ms count which is complicated those scurvy. That's the good news. That's right. This is a combination of a health. Drink in a cocktail. I love it right. You know why. I don't know it's Fifth somebody told me to get rid of my date in my system. I had no idea of a bigger fan of cinco de cuatro than the fourth we celebrated. But i'm getting some tequila for tonight. That's fun so It's called the pink paloma As palomo horse. I don't know what i don't think is apparently not put it on my lanka. Oh this is a tequila based cocktail. Drink is most like lime juice grapefruit. Flavored sodas fresca squirt doritos. All right. so she does say it or thing. i guess oughta times you can add if you so she's using actual lime juice right so you could add a splash. A club soda. Oh it's tony. It's a dove white dove. We're not paloma blanca. It's a white dive so But paloma. It's a pink paloma grapefruit. Pink redford mary jo. I cannot drink this but We'll just drink straight. We'll be happy. Yeah great now. I had mess call with virgil last week. Yeah you did. I didn't try it though i like. Oh that seems to smokey smoking. You know i had a grapefruit come buccio and it didn't knock me out so i don't know Company is the best. This was a good come buccio. When you come out here we'll We'll have great kombucha. We went out In fact. I think it's gonna be our new monday night thing. There's a a downtown. There's a little tiny square and there's a restaurant right on the square where you normally eat outside But they have been bringing bans in monday night. Now there's we sat outside. We had our meal delicious meal and then danced. It was like the covid never happened. It was slow very excited. This is how we come back. You know you have these little slices of normal and it starts to feel normal and you do have to injin. It's i was thinking it's kind of like the monk munchkins in the wizard of oz with dorothy house. On the which i just i. They're reluctant and they slowly tiptoe out pretty soon. We're rather than suggest party all right. I'm sorry i've been seeing. No you've gone too far when you look over. You're hugging someone. You don't even know what is happening it was. It was like that. It was like a hippie festival. it's hysterical is as well older people because the young people didn't you haven't yet got accident so they're standing at the distance. What is going on and all the people my age you know. we're old hippies. So much fun have a video. But i won't. I won't burden you with. Thank you paul. Thank you mary jo. It is so nice to see you healthy and well as we head into summer a brand new summer i think it's going to be great Paul thurrott at threat dot com his book. The field guide to windows. Ten is always updated. It's available lean pub dot com on the nice ways of you know if you buy a digital book you can always get those updates which just great although if you like paper they did. They still have those posts because they are the best posters ever. Yeah we do but i. I think those are going to be a lot of being by the wayside for the next version. Yeah they're great windows ten You know how to post you really love them. Mary jo foley. All about microsoft dot com. That's the website for zd net blog. Someday we're going to get the the fully ultimatum and that's what you should call this podcast. Yes the fully. Oh yes the foley identity And we will learn the secrets of mary jo's Sources but not a to. We do windows weekly. Every tuesday of sorry wednesday eleven. 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MM152: Normalize Pores (w/ OhnoBravo)

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MM152: Normalize Pores (w/ OhnoBravo)

"In her hello and welcome to the mobile minutes podcast. I'm stephanie. thank you so much for joining me. You can find podcast on apple podcasts. Stitcher radio google play tune in cast box iheart radio and spotify find this on any of those platforms or where else you get your podcast also. Still soliciting for ratings and reviews. If you'll be so inclined please leave some five stars. Leave some reviews what greatly appreciated. Also you can find me on instagram facebook and twitter at moga minutes on all three of those platforms. If you want to shoot me an email give me some feedback other than on those three places. You can email me at moga minutes at key. Mail dot com Hello and welcome. Back to the podcast. I'm stephanie thank you so much for joining me. So i had deemed because literally twenty twenty has been the longest decade of our lifetimes only one year and i said for december now that we have voted trump out. He is denying it. I don't give a shit. 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And i also now follows well which by the way i love off of the show because i didn't really like him on the show and now i kind of like him and he also likes to get naked juice is like the only Redemption ark on bravo that. I believe like he's the only only bravo bro. That has gone through that. i've changed. i'm different and i'm like you know what i believe you and you're the only one i believe absolutely because the the troglodyte from last season it was like. Yeah all of them. even tanner. Especially tanner fuck him. Okay like throw all the way and this new season. I'm like i don't like any of you. I don't like cheese. Stu captain lee is fine. And y'all brought back eddie. And i'm like this is how long i feel. Like below deck has been on for like a millennia. Because i'm like. I don't even remember eddie and he's also in baltimore and i'm like what the like me. What no. I completely forgot about him. And then i had on the instagram account. Blocked by jackson for this for the blow duck premier and. She's like she goes in on blow deck. And i was like okay. Can you remind me like. Do we like him. Do we hate him. Like i can't remember what where he ended. Jezek oh remember rockies season. He was that huge dick to rocky and i was like. Oh now. I remember mel lucky. But i'm a weirdo when it comes to blow people rocky actually so that was when my husband i got in below deck is like a gateway drug for husbands and boyfriends. I feel like kinda if there are any listeners. Out there trying to sneak attack. Their their partner below deck is a good one. Because it's like a workplace drama so my husband got really into below deck in rockies season was the one that he got into and yeah interesting because i went back because so many seasons of below deck. It was hard for me to go back. But below deck med. I was able to go back to. And i'm because one last season i was like. Why does she like bugsy. I don't actually remember like each other. And i'm like oh now i remember because i had to go back and watch and i was like. Oh yeah yeah yes yeah fucker. I'm good agassi. Why and now. It's like the two chief stews was like. Oh they're both gone and they got this new one of my girl. I don't care it's like the one. I tried below decks sailing yacht. I ended up engineering because hello we're in the pandemic. so what else am i going to do. And i've been told season i was like. Oh this is not a bad season. And then i get to the reunion. I'm like i i. i don't care reunion as donald. I'm like yeah. Zoom unions nissan dull. It's like the in person reunion. I'm glad that they figured out a format to make it work because it just makes such a difference to have everybody so question for you this is like a good litmus test. Are you a hannah person or kate person when it comes to chief still. This is hard. 'cause god 'cause i was learning about the puncher to face but i'm kate person i'm a person but only up until she was like being really shitty to that. Student wanted to quit and then she had the radio in front of her dorm. Like she's better make. I literally would have beat her as like full money on your ask my we'll beatrice okay all right so this is antagonized. Ramonic- that is that is like okay. You want to fight. You want violence. Then that's fine. But i'm more of a kate person but i kinda. It's so weird with hannah because i actually like him. It's weird. I feel like i would like to hang out with her but i wouldn't want to work with her. Yes that's how i feel too. I feel like kate would be a better boss. Because even if she's like snarky to you know her expectations whereas hand. I feel like just like passes off all our responsibilities. I would to like. I would probably want to hang out with both of them but like i think i could be friends with hannah but i would be like i would hate her as a boss. Go yeah i'm like she's like i'm so busy i'm like gurianov chiefs. Do you're supposed to be dizzy. Why are you talking to me about god. I have so much to do. I have to call this mariachi band. Like she's like the coworker that comes in and it's like always sighing. Like she's at the next to you and she's just like oh god like what are you have to do. Today is like the fake little in fine. everything's fine. how are you. Oh my god i have seventeen calls me literally just wanted eight fine. I am good. I wanted to fake answer. I really didn't wanna know what you were doing by. Her baby is very cute. And i'm like. I was while hannah liked but i'm like to work with her. It's like i would have health her. I wouldn't go to a bar. Go to the club de good working with you. I'm like no because you doing dumb shit. Like what the fuck are you. my how how. How savy micromanaging you Yeah and then issues. This also such bolt below deck this season because literally. They have the most capable chef. I've ever seen okay so this is wasted on a chef. That literally can do all the ridiculous things that people ask for. Y'all lahser fucking caviar on what the fuck happened. But it's like lost their shit. My god i'm like here's the crazy part but still it's kind of going back to the original below deck format. I think though we're like in the back in the day actually hired capable people and then it was like a true workplace drama. Where like the all i love. I love a petty fight. Like i love a fight about cutlery. Like yes give me all. Give me like the pettiest shit. You know like. I wanna see people like i wanted to snowball. And it's all because of a knife or a fork and you see this but just like fish knife. I love of cutlery fight or any of that laundry fight love it so i think getting back to that format for a while there. It was like they were casting people who clearly had been in yachting modeling women. Your model like what's his name. The really tall hot firemen that was on below deck. I literally can't think of his name. And i'm like what he was like. Sits what five. My oldest is break. You big dummy. I love you like but then they end up always getting fired or like the whole season is about them learning basic tasks. And it's like okay. We'll i'm here for the fight because you didn't fold something properly not because you don't know how to do your job. I'm like wait a minute. How does this whole oh why. Why are we getting educated. On what shots mean. Give me like wait a minute. Janos below dixies. What are we doing any want season one. I'm like i feel like this. Go to hannah school that she allegedly alleging that she stole from someone else. And like you you do. Last training for a yod is not an original idea Most there's a lot of train. What are you doing. Hannah stolen guests. Because hannah knows who the fuck you are. Actually that could be. The new show is then. Take it back a step. Kate and hannah like train their full during their own stews. And then have like a stew competition of like. Who's going to get cast on the next who's gonna judge sandy. I don't know she's the best yet. Maybe and then they can find the captain from the first season below deck. 'cause what i was like when i did my rewatch i'm like she's not original capping. I would like. I need to speak to management. So maybe you can find him like i did sailing yacht in. This is a great season but terrible reunions. Or maybe that captain to me. I don't know mike. I don't bring back sailing selling out. It's great to binge. But god i would not want to watch that for a season. I don't i don't care. I think below deck is a better been show. I feel like it could go on netflix right. Now it's like oh this is great. Just shoot all of this together dumping off a one weekend and you can watch it but sometimes like waiting. I'm like i don't care on the god fires it definitely is a. It's a great hung over show. It's a great like laying on your couch. You're going to die just like watching other people's drama. But i guess that's why it's literally like you turn on bravo in the daytime. It's alec hit info. You're like oh. I don't remember i don't remember none of it. Yeah we supposed to be talking about below deck. What i'm gonna wake up in the middle of the night go. That's his name. Can't you your listeners. Right now are like hitting their steering wheel. Yelling at us. The name it's like. Oh i don't know. I'm sorry i feel like a board game show and people are like yellow people not know the answer. She's on bravo right now. I don't know so. Let's get some brown before we talk our ladies of atlanta in potomac. So this this is the funniest thing. 'cause this is your life with me and you're like breaking news jackson's not returning. You're like wait what it's like. Wait a minute. House is happening on a friday night. So after eight years it feels longer quite frankly. Eight years sounds super long. But it's like. I feel like it's been really like twenty five years. Jack's is not returning his pregnant wife brittany after five years is not returning I don't know why they liked to Bait the bravo verse pretty didn't delete this fast enough. Because she literally copied and pasted. Exactly what we. I don't see me and britney you are britney brittany sorry about returning flow. Yeah that was like honestly the best way to find out was during my life. I love that you are recon specialist. I was like okay. You guys don't leave the slide. But i need one of you to go on it and i miss them talking about. They're like oh he's leaving. Wow that's crazy so anyway this drink that we make a like. This is how. I missed it because literally after the beginning because i think i last saw the thing like oh jackson going live is like oh is he doing that. I mean i don't know anyway. So i got this book. We've had it for a whole year. You get the cocktails out. I'm like okay. I don't care i'm like i don't think sandovol would actually care 'cause he's like and i was like all last season i was like fuck. Y'all from making me defend. Tom sandoval. 'cause i got he's right and this makes me sick when i mean he and i but i also like it. It makes sense. The two of them don't really seem like the messy. I don't see them going live on instagram. Spilling all the t- like it makes sense. They're like oh man that's crazy anyway. Back to our why. I'm getting coming here to actual paycheck because this show might not be continuing. Let's focus on the cocktails on the looks people but now that was a made. I literally like sometimes things will happen. Where the comments start coming in on my live and there's enough of them now that i need to ask the question because somebody was like britney announced jack now time out what is happening. I live on my phone. So i can't scroll what's here again. Just like wait. This is so weird and then rumors like we're flying at the show was cancelled in some of that. I have it on good authority that they are shooting next spring. I'm like kay since you wanna hear my blind speculation. My prediction is based on nothing. So don't think i have an inside sources just coming from my brain. This is my blind prediction. Because that's what. I like to do things and then by state enough all of a sudden it becomes a rumor and then it comes true. I can be like well. I told you guys and if it doesn't come true then i can be like well i mean i told you. I'm just speculating. So you heard it here first right now. i think i predict. I bet that vanderpump will get picked up for another season. I think that it will probably focus on the lake newbies and it will go back to that. Og format of like maybe the next generation And then i have a feeling with rand and la la and their connections. Like i would be very surprised. I think that redacted schroeder is a very smart businesswoman like. I think i would be surprised if they weren't secretly filming throughout the pregnancy. Like and they're not like shopping around their footage to a network. And i could see them taking it to a different network calling it something else and like having all the. Oh jeez on a different show. Yeah yeah you know. I think it's been tossed around the vander bump rules because literally four people are pregnant so crazy. I i'm sorry. I'm not signing up for redacted shoulders. Anything unless she's gonna pay me three times whatever. Her black lives matter teachers. Making you pay me four times. What you're paying them. I'm still not going to help you. But i'm that hugh her teacher is. Has she announced like your teachers black. I need to know who's teaching you. I can now say why black lives matter. I'm like so high redacted this tamarin this is not holder she looked like what are you talking about. What are you doing girl that interview with. Like i was like i want to give the full disclaimer. I was a stasi apologised for way to long island. I o one hundred percent. Like i need to. I need to talk to a tone for the town. I mean they were. Like i let so much i let the metoo stuff slide. I led the you know. All the oscar. So white stuff slide like there were so many times i kinda just like well the doc- blah blah blah and then finally like i mean it comes to a point where like i think everybody needs to look inward and be like okay. At what point do i need to stop like there are plenty of other messy people that can have a platform that we don't really need to be giving this one tenth chance like she lost oliver Her podcast monster ships three summers ago and then she kept talking like at some point. Just navy stopped talking you honey. It's okay if you don't give your whole opinion. Which is why the whole oscarssowhite thing so me and on our nail married because she was like this is white privilege bullshit. And i don't like it and like yeah. I like her good. Have you heard the rumors of what's dausi's new podcast might be called. Do you want to know or should we do next time. Go ahead tell these article entitled af it's like basically like she's taking the basic brand and then allegedly just doubling down and like you might as well just make privileged af like. Isn't it dan how she might actually try to do it. And it was like you know. And it's so weird. I'm glad you've like been delivered from that. Because quite frankly look looking at like some of the rules one. Oh my god. I would not watch it if ashley is not fair. Great because i'll need your ass. They're tired of you. Honestly like and i mean i can only again. I'm a hypocrite. Because i've for a long time i wouldn't say i was like doc- defender but i definitely was like dossier apologised where i would just be like. Yeah that's shitty and then kinda still be like chuckling at her little confessionals but dossiers fan group now is like an online all lives matter brunch like her comments section at any given day. I'm just like ooh like. Oh my god. They're all eating goat cheese balls. Npr entering penal greasy. Oh that's all they're doing like a girl. I'm not arguing with you and somebody else's fans. I'm not arguing with his kelly dots while he's so she has apologized Girl it was like a hostage situation. Like i swear that there was like a teleprompter like behind her that she was just like memorizing her script. Like that whole one hundred like okay. 'cause they all of this big letters. Say this like a girl ma'am. I'm sorry we're not watching your fucking show. Okay we're not gonna watch us long as you're there and even if you leave i'm sorry i don't care about that much is like it should've stopped a long time ago. It's like no and i like brooklyn. So this sucks. It's like. I wanna see brahmins journey but i'm like no you got way too many people on there that i'm like. Yeah i don't care. I don't know who this person was like. She needs to go. Gina's hair is horrible. And then there's emily though emily low key allegedly allegedly allegedly people. But like i think. Emily shares some beliefs. Kelly died but she's just smart. She's smarter and not say it. Because i think that. There's i think there's something there for people to investigate. As far as like what she feels. But yes unfortunate. Bronwyn actually has an interesting story to towel. I don't i don't i don't i'm like i feel i can just call you brown with. Can i call you. Can we just talk about your journey. Don't wanna watch it okay. i don't wanna watch it. I'm not telling people not to watch. I'm like saying. I am not going to watch it and not in a self righteous. Let me get myself in a magazine. Way yeah i. Yeah i Brown was on actually on my lap. Not on my life ascoli received but she was in the comments of my live out in the universe. Brian money talk the brown i would. I would die. But no she was in the comments and basically Some of the salt lake city housewives. Were there too. And i'm like bronwyn. Can we just get you to move to salt lake city. I think he would actually fit in with that cast months. Just scoot john over there. Then we can watch you. Like os see like an again if people there are so few things in two thousand twenty. Two sparks joy that if watching c. Is that for you good for you. I'm never gonna say. Don't watch a show because it's bravo like if it's gonna if it sparks joy for you watch it i personally just don't need to relive covid through kelly. Dodge is and there's just like and then for her to like okay. So she sends the first half the episode apologizing and then the second half of the episode basically insinuating that bronwyn is like faking her storylines. Yeah it was like. How do you go is like ab so good at this. 'cause it was like if he had asked her like two more questions she'd a win a win off script rail quickly. She's like i mean. I'm just an idiot i'm like oh i'm sorry that's not an apology. You being stupid is not oh. I'm sorry i'm stupid okay. You're not that stupid. Like i'm sorry that's just make me feel better you like. I'm a dumb say dumb. Shit you've been on this show how long you've been saying dumb shit since you've been here. It was just fine because you were just going after vickie and so we're fine but it's like yes. She still an asshole and now. She's just showing her racist side of her being an asshole and if one more person says she can't be racist she's mexican mexican is let's see in. It's not a race. please don't do this but also you can still be mexican and racist. I don't understand this. i'm like that's not. That doesn't stop. You know now. And i yeah and again maybe like i feel like i'm in confession like i feel like your priest. I'm confessing my sense to guess. Who else was in my top five going into quarantine. Kelly died. So i don't know what what is your top five it straight up. I i need putting people up there when i definitely need to do some like journaling. Some introspection i need to be like maybe get therapists like because the liberties that i have drawn to are like the chaotic. You never know what's gonna come out of their mouth type of thing but the issue with that is that the chaotic energy combustion. And then i'm always left holding the bag. You like. i know too. Because your top i i i was like i got my top five because i feel like you shouldn't be out there alone. So this is my top five in the top for me. Personally what is mimi. Like levi's my top and my number two is one that i'm like. Sometimes i can't fucking stand her. It's theresa because see like miss to the mess to would also i'm like i don't know theresa does but i like excuse. Me she is her franchise. They moved recording and filming because she was in jail. I'm like oh shit y'all can't have jersey without teresa. I'm like i'm sorry. You bad as number three is bethany number. Four is our buddy luanne. I'm like excuse me this biscayne saying well. She got out. She got hits. I don't understand the lael and delusional like i love. She likes. I'm mike the female berry. Wait hi hello. So my dad has vinyls of barry white and i can almost guarantee you or not but the reality. I'm sorry i don't let it is such about such rounding on my top five is candy. You like you like big dick energy. Do yeah i can respect. That's a solid top-five mine. You know what. I'm not even announcing it. I need to like sage it in the new year. Because any time i announce top-five like no i literally like it is curse the just the other month for no reason whatsoever just publicly announced that i was going to air ca jane and their why i don't know i just felt like it and then i think i manifested this shit. Now she's like a straight up. Be roxie hart in jail. Like i'm not announcing i don't live anymore should go i. Can you badgen. Tall told. Reuters saying mister cellophane. I can't do this now. Like somebody said that. The song like i cannot sing but she stood ride. You should try. It was like this. Oh great i'm like yeah. How's your tap house meeting number one. I'm like really there. Were no one liners. Before any leaks. She did make the so. I'm watching from season one on my page on. Which by the way i need to have you on because i'm starting season to now be bear. I love it. Yeah but ni-ni made the franchise like made housewives what housewives was like. She made those like those confessionals. That are like those giftable moments. She made those one liners. She made that like funny she. She brought the comedy too. Yeah now everybody after that is doing just but it was. It was niimi far as like nothing. There aren't other gifts or gifts. I don't care how y'all fuck and pronounced please. I'd give jif girl whatever potato without or whatever floats your boat. I don't wanna hear like well the guy who made it. I don't give a goddamn he don't he don't live here. I don't care but whatever you wanna say this on the dislike endure. I feel like she went out kinda sad kinda but i mean i don't know it's like you think of like. Oc new york in atlanta. It's been on forever just like these are the top three. They've been on forever. And it's like really. this is really season thirteen of atlanta. This is really what say this fifteen mayor remember with all those ladies and had that one shirt i'm like why are y'all scholarship. And then i block them so they didn't sponsor y'all that's crazy. That's how you know it was. Og housewives that they weren't getting that sky top sponsorship swept up top. I feel like was like around ten. They would've and there was a time where but see. This is how. I'm glad i waited my top five because i would've put gretchen in there and got him so glad i didn't put her there. Yes no a thousand times. No it was like you girl. Is that even your real face. Is that how you auto to filter like. How do you do this. How do you. How do you it literally. Not only is she using face tune. But she's going old school she's rubbing like lean on the lens like she's giving yourself that soap opera filter. No but the weirdest part okay. You know i'm not gonna you do what you gotta do for your self confidence. Whatever do not face tune your baby. A baby does not need to be faced Not a baby has pores it's okay. Let's normalized pores on babies in twenty twenty. Please us normalize book title normalized. Like i say like And i guess the last bit of bravo news is dallas so there was like a little screenshot going around saying dallas was going to come back twelve. Thirty one is actually coming back. January fifth and the new trailer has dropped and i was willing offensive. I really wanna watch this. Because kerry still there But then they introduced us to doctor moan. And i'm like also i'm in so i'm very much here for seeing dr moon. I'm here to be seeing her. Dig and brandies ass. I'm also here's c. Cameras and i'm like. Can we talk about this pink. That does not turn dogs pooped pink. I mean maybe we'll come back to that. I mean i don't know but what did you think about the dallas Trailer it intrigued me again. I'm going to announce another sin. If i have any followers left by the end of this miracle but i I actually have never gotten into dallas. I meant to binge it like. I had it on my like lineup of i'm gonna do a binge and then the leeann stuff happened and i was like do i want to binge this so i've been been summer house instead went on that journey and i just like i think i'm gonna give you my journey because you're the reason why i been summer house. I'm like oh my god what the hell like why i still watch this. Buck kyle cook. Will you know that i got. I got my loverboy sponsorship. So can't speak. I can't be besmirching really if the t. better okay. here's my honest opinion. So the t for me is actually like a top five summer summertime. Drink like this. It's very refreshing. It's very easy to drink. And it actually tastes. Good this spritzers for me. So i don't like sweet like sweeper. Sin so the two of their spritzers the The mango and then their most. Recent one. the like guava whatever they came out with. I like those. Two blueberry one is like way too sweet for me really. Yeah but my sister-in-law loves it and she has a sweet tooth. So maybe actually my bottom line is like of all of the bravo liberty products. It's actually good. Like i could see it being sold rather than and that's not even just because they actually sent me some it was i've been. I've been shamelessly promoting them before they were even. What is this. Because i wasn't watching the show so i only say fuck called code because you know he can't stop getting drunk in putting his dick and lips on people and so like. Yeah that's that but I think the loverboy concept is actually kinda cute because even when people are is really expensive. He's like so first of all. Fuck you and second of all by shit. I was like well okay. Is this a white people by yosef. Because that's what scares me. This is why. I could drink bud light so first of all. If you drink bud light. They deserve everything you get. That is like a illegal under twenty one college. I gotta get drunk fast. Drink loverboy is not for is not his clientele beloved. And y'all know how i feel about carl radke. He is for the streets that whole is for the streets. Try and turn into a house. What i don't know. But you know quarantine carl and his beard now. He's a bearded hoochie. And i'm all for this. Quarantine cut quarantine. Carl is like who my. I always called vampire like you could always tell when he was perhaps indulging allegedly in some like late night activities. You know what. I mean like you could tell when the vampire carl came out and there is like a little more rubbing of the knows a little more. Like shaking of the head and cease looking really healthy and lou carl. He's a hope for the street anyway. Long story short. I got into summer house not into dallas. But i'm gonna go into the season. I think just completely blind. Oh and blonde. Because you don't need to go back to season one and see great value keith. Urban and i am and tiffany was actually editing. She was a bad housewife. I think for them. They're like they're looking for the drama and tiffany's like i'm just trying to live in dallas and live my beautiful life with my great value keith. Urban i don't have time for the drama. And that's why she. I think she was a friend of season two and then you didn't see her 'cause i mean i think her n. Leeann are still friends. 'cause i think last season when she got married. Tiffany came back on the scene. Now like doing here like we're still friends. Like oh okay. Is this season for season. Five zero five okay. Well i tried. I was like yeah. I don't i don't care this much. I just wanted to see. I'm like i didn't watch the first season i got into. Maybe like three cousins got into it. They both loved it and they you could really like i think you really like it and i i mean i'm a slut for bravo like anything. I watch pretty much ended up liking. But i was just like. Is this something. I really wanna be binging. So my followers were pretty split half of them. Were like you've gotta get the back story and half of them were like going on. I'm like i'm going to go in blind. And if i love it if all of a sudden like oh my god. I'm a dallas stand. Then i'll go back like add up really care to at this point in time. I feel like it's like for me. I was like yeah. You could go either way. Because i guess it would explain why the brandied lianne friend frenemy literally. Since the beginning of this series. And i'm like yeah but liens diving on anymore really matters. I don't she's not even there anymore. So i i feel like you can just go in blind like seriously because i mean i think yeah no. Brandy and stephanie are originals. Knew okay yeah yeah. Whenever i'm look i'm all for it. We got salt. Lake dallas coming back in january right now and people like me at four housewives on at the same time like we do come back to where. Oh you're talking about orange county. We're not watching that since so you can just. It's three four note. Donald shock now this week. It was like three strong ones and i was like okay. Okay i can do three strong ones because even when my dvr like you know how some people do the dvr like. It's just a couple of minutes before the show starts minus setup for that for salt lake. I'm very much. I keep forgetting to this so this is now a reminder for stephanie to change that to win the show starts it was like yeah. I don't i don't care about anything. Well let's see. I don't care about whatever's going over there. Like i don't care i still love. I really do. I love you for real. I just i just want to. I just want to pick you up and move somewhere. Yeah this is what. I really anywhere else anywhere. Please go somewhere else. please please. just leave us alone. Just go away okay. so let's start with. I missed sunday nights. like this. where it's too good shows back to back in white. Oh i missed it. Used to be married to medicine and then they lost damn on fridays like andrew. Andrew sunday. Hello no no put them back and then they ended up running back. Oh yeah we had no bitch. You lie y'all tribe. China on friday nights like no we. Why are you doing this there. In atlanta with atlanta housewives. They should just be on sunday. Isn't lanta night. What are you doing with. Shah's on friday there nine lanta sorry. I don't know why they push on sunday. One cares yet. It's weird the decisions that brought like why is salt lake city on at ten pm on wednesday. We already have a housewife show on a wednesday. Why any other day can we do another day. 'cause yet ten o'clock is for tardy for the party. Wing wants I'm so tired i'm tired. I want to go to bed. Watch it live. I'm like okay girl. I can't do ten o'clock i'm like. Dvr helped me do how i know. See my dvr did not forget like. I didn't watch salt lake city to. I think saturday i'm like oh shit on on in the shot squad like kicked me out and tell me get the fuck out. You don't watch it on wednesday but his dinner class tired. I'm like a three year old by like ten thousand. Five hundred dollars please. I can't do to go to bed so that's just me. I can't do ten o'clock. They need to move. It is especially when people are watching. And they're very active so yeah now move salt lake city or just which assail me. Yeah so we're not gonna honestly. I bet that that would work better. For their ratings that there would be people that are just like already. it's already on bravo than it would be a great leader in 'cause it's like salt lake said. He really doesn't need the leave him. Everybody's watching it but everybody has such momentum of this is going to be really good so let's head to atlanta so we are at season thirteen of the real housewives of atlanta. We have a smaller cast. Which has been small in a while. we now have five housewives. It's porsche candy. Cynthia kanye and drew is coming. She was not on the premier. Only thing i know about your door is that she busted up. Melanie darwin's marriage because she Her see this is what happens. When like i've seen her before she the girlfriend. The game that darwin's fucked up their relationship. You dumb ass and she was. Actually i guess playing herself as a singer so she still pretty so very excited to see her. So how were you going into this season thirteenth thirteen unluckily number but thirteen is my favorite number. Because when i grew up. I grew up playing sports and i would always say it's unlucky for the other team but oh no no i. I wouldn't do it so i again like i. I've been in and out on land that hasn't been. That's the reason. I'm doing the rewatch on my patriot to like really 'cause i kind of like so i got into bravo. Maybe like like five years ago is when i got into it like i would dip in and out. I've always loved reality television but like five years ago was really when i like kind like all. The housewives came Me though i. I didn't really know the full back story of atlanta for all of the history of all of the relationship so i'm still kind of going into a pretty blind as far as like. Obviously i know the big players. I know the big fights. But i don't know all the true dynamics And to know that this series is on at the same time as orange. County is actually like so poetic of where our country is right. Now that those two franchises can exist on the same network filmed in the same time period and just like the differences of what even just like the general tone of what's being talked about. Because i mean i. Land southern charm like euler. All we talk. Don't do this to me stephanie. This like so. Fuck pringle in all of them except for level because craig windham instagram. Tommy larry and i have to say it is like they don't talk him. I say you know what. I won't stick a pillow up your ass. Have you lost god damn mind. It's like you and all of this and then watching how they're talking about kobe. I'm like so madison madison. God yourself fucking responsible so anyway your party than at throwing. Did you see. They're still going at it on instagram. Like there was like a common spy bravo thing. Where austin was commenting on kristen's and cavalieri unlike the medicine commented on her ex husband's thing jay cutler he looks like a tow and second of all what is wrong. Girl open up. It's like girl. Don't you sunrays out really if he liked her. He wouldn't be sending me songs at midnight on my girl. Why is he not blocked. I don't understand. I'm like shut up. Madison madison madison madison. Might see this is why people say you know what fuck this. I'm out hamels like fuck this fuck you. I'm leaving i'm gone. Niamey left in chelsea Yes she left all three of my life. I'm like y'all gonna just got tired of me. Like catherine like a girl. Y'all film with catherine for years. Please don't do this. Oh my god main camera friends hi katherine. She fucking hated you. She's aided you the whole time you've been on the fucking show. Mike you her friend. What are we doing. I'm sorry sorry. This is not about beloved. This is not about southern turned. But this is what happens when we talk bravo. Now it's like we think about all three of these places east coast west coast in the central. Technically atlanta is the south facilities charleston but it's feeder replaces and they're all reacting to cohen totally different. All adult have marlow in your city. Because i literally screen for like three minutes. I'm like so first of all. Marlow is me i was like no i take it because i will walk. Rescues me i need to take your temperature bringing out the tape. Measure oslo man so if everybody remember when they had like photos from cynthia's wedding that these people were mask. I'm like i feel like y'all just talk about marlowe. Because i didn't see any picture of marlow without that mask on. I was like damn myrtles. Very serious she had her mask because she was like nope masters on. I was like yes. So this nato since. I like honestly refreshing after seeing like what. We've seen so far of how. Kobe is rolling out like it was pretty refreshing even like cynthia had that one talking head of like well. Dr fauci says the master the way to go. So i'm asking up and i'm like oh so we believe in science on this franchise wonderful. This is great. I still remember when people will like you. Like i guess news talking has been talking about all the protests during the up uprising and is processes gonna look to an uptick in kobe cases. I'm like so you haven't met any black. We are black. We are not going to do this. You look at those protests. Yeah learning nine hundred. Eighty five percent. Eighty five to ninety from being correct They had masks on. Yeah no we weren't the ones but you go to people. I'm gonna have this no mask test. I'm a have this no mass march. We're going to march with our guns and to City halls and old often. All these people getting sick and like yeah. It wasn't us wearing masks or what you doing. Literally i remember like the week after the uprisings in all the protests and all that i had some family members share on the lovely site that is facebook being like look at all these spikes blah blah blah and then one of my family members so i love was like and what was two weeks ago. Oh memorial day. That looked like a lovely barbecue. Barbara like why do you think there's no this doesn't happen in like two days later. There's an up now like ron's is a ten day incubation period. I'm sorry you're like fuck science. I'm like okay so fuck google to. Is that what. We're dealing now with thanksgiving. All we're doing. We're going to see this uptake. I'm like yeah because y'all had to have turkey outside of your home you couldn't have just like a turkey sandwich or better yet just home. It's like i gotta get on a plane. I gotta have twenty. We all Ford together did you see Elizabeth from from orange county got ordained as a minister. So that shows you can have it. I said you piece of shit. I'm like so when. I saw the supreme court do that. A whip see this is why voting is important folks because the senate controls the supreme court we don't have a red supreme is a red senate so they're just gonna do this shit and then you want someone. Oh no you can do this outside. Nope you can have all these people if you are a religious space and i'm like okay so y'all just wanna you think autumn people wanna heaven. That's what you're saying. Okay i can almost guarantee there on that. Like what are you doing. You're just like oh this. Tim dated like pray it away. Like that oracle nothing can pray the gay away because what's wrong being gay and it's like You can pray to strengthen your spirit that's it but y'all dumb. Y'all are so stupid. You are dumb ho shut up and i really like kenya. I liked the break from cayenne. Now like having her back at super weird So it looks like as i did their interview look in august. Which is you know. we're into summers. It's not that long ago so it was kind of after the uprising but still were in a pandemic so we're starting to see where we're seeing. How the season is shaping up. I well we're seeing the emergence of sense. And i'm like you know what i'm all for this. First of all cynthia. This is not the dungeon. Why are you dressed like this. They i mean i enjoy it. Everybody enjoyed them. Like y'all thanks right. Women don't like we do cities you you're a model. You're gonna take lynn award. I'm like and then we see. Kenya is still with that man. I don't care if he gave you pretty baby. Please drop him off on the curb where he belongs. Because i'm like i had. I definitely had my issues with kenya. She is the villain that atlanta needs. Apparently she is the villain. I was very happy when she got married. I'm like she had a baby and i was like. Yeah i may not like. She's not my girl on the show. But i'm like i think the babies adorable and i like i like her. I like she was the show. So where aca see her coming back. She's fine and now you're watching her like i'm trying to make this work with this man. I'm like girl mark. Daly is not that cute. I don't give a guy down. I'm like he is not that attractive. I know she's cute. I don't think you're having another baby so you don't need as firm so you can just dump them off. Yeah mark with the see of. I felt i actually like really felt for her. That one scene. I don't know what it was. Maybe it's just because i'm a terrible driver. Her getting lost talking on the phone. I like started tearing up. I have been there have been a hot mess missing it trying to do here. Do i'm like yeah. It happens when you're on the phone and you've got the russian girl. If you don't hang up i know that. And then you to make a you ten motherfucker. I know i'm supposed to guy turnstile telling me like and she's literally like she was like i'm so lost and i was like and it's not just about little driving. Is it a like. Oh my i'm literally like you are way too pretty for this for mark daily girl. I wish you would dump his ads leasing. You love the hot. Mike moment with her lawyer that they did the bravo scene. They did the bravo. Seen here. your options and blah blah blah and. When are people going to learn to wait till the mike pack is off before you walking. We're getting like moments all deadly. Oh fourth wall broken going damn do you look. Quarantine has made us lazy. We are not adding more like y'all need to see that this is not fake way. This is real life. 'cause he's like you need to get yourself together like oops i mean he won't is like a nail that'd he's black women. These black slabs get what these men. I'm like yeah. I'm glad you're saying this. 'cause i'm sorry. I dropped mark daily right on off. I'm like you this in his not his failure but it's kind of like they are going to blame kenya. 'cause they're looking at how she was on the show and it's like oh how can she maintain a good relationship and i'm like her being doormat is not going to make her. Look any better. Because i thought it was shady. Hell when they say. I'm a good communicator. And stuff and i was like what he's talking about y'all shady hill. I was just about to say that. I actually thought that was super fucked up like i know that. The editors that's their job that they have this footage they're gonna use it but like in a way almost made it like it almost made it like what she deserves. What she guy deserves to be in a relationship like that like yes. You obviously have some self self work to do. You have like things to work on. But we all do and i. I didn't like that. They chose up opportunity. I loved the flashbacks. Yes picking new pick a different but like but in that instance. It was just like okay. This is like this is kind of up. And it's like as soon as she said. I'm like they go show where she roll the roll. That beautiful bean footage. I'm like oh god but the bad part about it is the one day shown those were once i was thinking of. She's been worse so it's like they were being nice in messy at the same time. It's like she's been worse than this guys. You can get off my boat. It's like note there so inept bad part. She has much but still she needed to get off this ride. And now we're gonna see that i didn't know riley was eighteen. I was like she's eighteen. she's graduating school. I should've realized because she did graduate. And now we're bringing back up the tail of block in how he owes candy child support and raleigh's like girl is like yeah he could pay for the school on the only in a relationship with him but he can pay for this school and i know candy has it and i get that she has it but that is going to nyu. So that's nyu and our state tuition. So yeah no blocking like pay for like two semesters. And i don't like the argument of like just because somebody has something means that they don't. They aren't deserving of help from the father of their children like he's still the father he still even if he didn't wanna make a financial contribution he had every opportunity to make a person contributions by being a father. I just like i feel for that. And i feel and i always hesitant when like you bring up. People that aren't the didn't sign up to be a cast member but at this point riley's eighteen. She's an adult if she wants to bring up her dad's Her relationship with her dad like that's her choice and that's her right because she went through it now goes eight hundred is like there's a point where is gonna stop that your child is going to want you around this usually around fifteen so it was like She's a little bit late aghast but probably the first time she said on camera like yeah. I'm i'm good on him. 'cause wine her mother is married to todd. So it's not like she doesn't have a male figure in her life. And i know there's probably other men around candy so it's not like she is lacking but i think she's got what you'll get to that point of he. I don't need you aim my life anymore and that's sad when you think about it because like this is still your dad and is someone who really close to her dad. I'm like otto nova time there. I'm like yeah. I'm kind of good on you. But that's mostly because he's in my life so there's so it's like wasn't in my life i'd be like yeah probably would feel the same way like yeah. I'm i'm good on you and it's like you can't force her to do it just because i'm dad. I'm like okay. Prove it like do stuff that dads do. Don't do it for show. Because i'm like is now like he's hurting. He's not Charades has been gone. Look i got two nickels to rub together. So i can't help you. It was like no boyfr- no this just whatever. I think her seeing that he had. He has the capability of being a father to other people. I can't imagine. I cannot imagine how that must feel like it's not that he's just the guy that's like doesn't have the capacity to be a dad. He's literally choosing to be inactive father to other people but just not. You gotta stay. Yeah like you're saying you're being father two other kids in your can't even call me. We're not even facebook friends like come on absolutely not. Yeah fucker oh please We peek into cynthia. The bridezilla which i would not surprise by but then. I thought about her weddings so the one and willa. I'm like i feel like that's not something i want to. Because it's the file renewal. But yes i could see why she's like no. We gotta get. I gotta get this nasty taste out of my mouth and y'all are never gonna let mallon her mom arrest she will. They will never know peace because every time they will bring up the fact that you're head that y'all never let this go. This is great. I'm like oh this is betsy. Sale like people were haters. And you're going to use her mama and her sister y'all come on but yes. She was like torn up emotionally about this wedding and now she's financially in a better place. 'cause i also think i don't even know if mike is better off financially. I don't know that was like but also he's not peter thomas and there's a part of me that really's attracted to peter and i think 'cause he's jamaica. I don't know why i can't explain. Y'all i don't know what it is is to make it and it's choosing jamaica. I don't know what this is say. I can't explain it. I mean we were attracted to who were attracted to. I know we'll get into potomac. But i cannot help myself brown nick chris like that man is higher on. The house has been list him. And sean sean worked his way up he. Pk we're like oh showing off in the pandemic. Okay finally get on the list on wall on one is the list he lists like joe gorgas on it. Yeah you can now. We'll no no his his instagram inspirational quotes. Really yeah they're like cringe. Cringes like pretty Boehner killer there when he's his misspelled in three. That's the wrong there. Joseph what is this like so Yeah i mean they got married. Those like i'm like no how this ends radio got married so was fine but it's going to be very interesting but i got when mike was like aren't enough and almost like she said women are different. I i was like no known but also we did not get married in a museum but the dinosaurs you did and so i can see why you're like i gotta fix this but please have it outside but i think they wanted to have it outside but it rained that day or is going to rain so they moved it inside which i mean it ironic and i don't think anybody's really saying at but it's ironic that there were two bravo weddings that day and perhaps one was more safe than the other. The one that was safer was to fox news anchor like kelly in cynthia got married the same day and kelly was like this. Intimate four thing with masks and cynthia was a two hundred fifty person wedding. So i mean yeah insulin it is i think just like we all hate kelly dodson like and we like cynthia who we're like you know it's fine but it's like it's like it's not. The good thing is that. Nobody got kobe but still somebody could have. It was more risk at yours. And like cynthia looks amazing. I'm like i don't think know we'll get into this will tell me because like you give more grace to your faves. If we fucking hate. Kelly died and then she was sniffling after like. I hope you've got cold. I'm like i really don't hope anybody gets. I don't wish her still like i would like. Oh you're single. We're just knipling. It's mcelwain i'm like okay. I don't care i understood. What makes it though when he was like. Do you want the marriage or do you want the wedding. Like i think that that was a really poignant point and i think that it like i think a lot of people are going through that right now like i have some friends and some family members that are figuring out what they're gonna do with their wedding and they're they're having to have this conversation of prioritizing of like do we wanna do a courthouse wedding and then have a celebration we can. Do we want to just like put it off. And i don't think there's a right answer but it definitely makes it awkward when it's clear that one party is cool. With the like small intimate. Let's just have the marriage certificate and call it a day cynthia's like i'm no no. No no. I'm going to have the big tv wedding. That's going to be somebody. I love that. I get a do over. Yeah like so. It's funny you bring that up. Because you know sheila's wedding planner to mike shea so we each other. It's the ground because she's still does weddings and she gets all her story. Like what the fuck is wrong with all of you. Why do you have all these people. I will keep reporting you. Like i'm like i love her so much. She is hilarious. She stickler on no cut it down. We're having micro receptions. Were not doing this. I'm like wow they. Actually i think i did find her instagram that day. That there is that vanderpump rules reunion and she was going off because it was like showing was. Are you serious issues like show answer. You like girl. Are you saying like okay like this is so great this is so great and i like she home like sina i can both like sheena and also imagined her as bride and know that perhaps the wedding planner is being honest in her recollection was like okay. Let me tell you y'all so see this. Let me tell you exactly what happened. I'm like oh oh okay okay. Okay like i like you. she's fun she's fun instagram. I gotta find her name. 'cause i i'm blanking on name 'cause sometimes i miss her stories so i guess the last part of the premier is porsche porsche. Luther king as marlowe colder said. Please leave us alone. But yeah I don't know what happened between now. and her. finding out the underground railroad was not in fact train and her realizing that hosea williams is her grandfather. It was like she knew it but it was like she didn't understand the gravity of it and now you see her doing everything and also seeing the part explaining how she how she got arrested like you got arrested. Because they didn't tell them where they were going in march two different places. The final stop was the house and they didn't know that was just like oh so then it's like oh we're going to get arrested. It's like oh okay. And they stay out mike. Yeah so he was ready to charge him with felonies. I'm like sold is very interesting. Your quick to charge them from being fun of your home but literally one hundred twenty days. Brianna tell you didn't even bring them any kind of charges and then when you did. It's i'm gonna charge the wall you arm to also wall all walls. Manner is just gross. So i think seeing all of her Her footage because really was like a lot of it was from her cell phone. So i it's just really interesting because i think probably some of that footage i don't think i love his bravo cameras and just the news because unlike some of those clips. I'm like like. I saw that on the news. I honestly feel like there weren't a lot of bravo cameras. They're like i think there is that one clip with like cameras off cameras off. But i don't know if that was bravo cameras news cameras. Were there to it like it. Almost in a weird way. I mean it was powerful regardless like i had chills like the entire time for all the scenes but it was almost like more powerful that it was just her phone camera because it really shows like. She was not doing this because she's like oh atlanta's starting. This'll be my story line like she was doing this because she is an activist and she's making a difference in. She's using her platform to really do the right thing. And so like the fact that like yeah filming was starting and she wasn't going to be there to shoot those scenes. she's like no. I'm going to kentucky. I'm going to. Yeah like. I think it was just so powerful to see and i'm in a weird way. I'm glad they brought up the underground railroad thing. Because i've seen people use that as well. She's not this because she's not true. She thought the train. I'm like yes. Google search woulda helped are was ridiculous but also like let's also normalized along with normalizing poor. Let's normalize personal growth in two thousand twenty. Let's normalized learning new information and changing our mind and doing better and like what a what a fucking way to start the season for porsche. Rysley even her like going. Line with john on premier day. She could be doing stuff and she wasn't 'cause she's always telling her sheets. Which by the way. I do want some because i'm like i'm a sucker for some ice sheets. I used to work In domestic said macy's so i'm very much like when people say i gonna get. She's from target. I'm like i'm like it's like three fifty. Is that good. No that is a bounty paper towel. Get my face. You would be a palled at my sheet situation. I am sleeping on sheets that i had and like college. Like if you ever come and spend the night. I'm going to have to go out and buy the new. You bet against gives me six over six hundred hundred count. I'm just gonna sit in my on like you're gonna sit on my guests bed and look at me and i watch not that tired. I think i'm i'm just gonna go sleep in the car. Like why are you gonna be the. There's even a slide into portions. Dm's i really do next time. Can i get a sponsorship. I just i just what does she's i think one i one let me see the thread. Count let me I'll safe now. I'm getting now getting all behind the scenes yellow. What the hell pima cotton girl good poly blends no but if you give a thousand twelve hundred thread count. If there's a poly cotton blend is probably gonna feel like fouts. Five fifty six hundred. All cotton gets very hot. Why people like blooms on. Sorry here literally ducey. I'm like you're speaking a different language. But what i know now is that when i finally going to trade in those college sheets. I'm going gonna. I know who the enzyme sliding into support shy. Now you listen. Won't you send over two days. Please are you kidding me. I just love her so the fact that she was like no. We're on talk about the runoff. Because i mean we're this is in december. Run office I james today was the last state of registered. Today was an important day. Yeah i think it is the last register which is super weird. We can think about it. 'cause you're like election day was typically as that but because of the runoff is like. Oh yeah we can extend it because we got another election so this is going to be very interesting. I i think there were a few people going. This was boring. And i'm like i don't guys. This isn't a real housewives of new jersey where they had the christening and they fought in the premiere. This is not that and it's like also with all the protests with all the paint we're the fucking pandemic. We're not doing this and it's like it's good to just catch up with people because you know this was an honestly i don't know i don't know if it speaks to your point earlier of our favorites more lenient or not but like hearing them talk about the pandemic. Even though yeah. They're all way richer than me. They have the big houses. They have the pools they have. Whatever it still was like more relatable to me like. I liked the way that they were all talking about. How like yeah. We have x y and z. But like we're still losing our shit too. It was weird. There was a weird connection. There for me that i was like okay. This is the first group of house. And maybe it's because we're going into the season already in the pandemic we're not seeing the shift but like i found them talking about it to be way more relatable than how we've seen on oc or southern charm. Like i was like okay. Yeah like i also can't stop eating and yes also. I'm fighting with my husband about the dishes like go on. I'm gaining weight. I'm like because nobody knows. It's because i give but darryl like how gain weight because you know we couldn't do anything we couldn't leave the house and even when kenya's felt like a prisoner in my own home and it's like to get that 'cause it's literally been since march in his now december so i'm like yeah it'd be a year in pandemic is like like i'm sorry. I don't think january one anything is going to change is going to take a few months. So yeah it's going to be about a year. I'm like am. I going to have a pandemic anniversary march thirteenth team. Let me just go myself. A pandemic party in the house. That'd be awesome. That's what we're gonna do remember when we were all watching tiger king. Baking banana bread. Like wasn't that just like such a sweet little time for us always sweet summer children fox. This year i dunno bird boxes but love is blind. Remember we we all watch. Love is blind. we all watched that Not love island. What was the one. that was They all the most convoluted net flicks We've binge-watch didn't like one day. Me and my husband we went. I couldn't get into the circle. It wasn't the circle. It was the one that they were all too hot to handle or something where they were all supposed to be so hot and they couldn't sleep together. That was like literally. Couldn't it's at this point that that phase of pandemic has passed if you didn't get into it then. There's no reason got into summer house. I don't know how i got there but got into somehow below decks sailing yacht. She's like yeah. I'm halfway done is completion. I gotta finish it. I'm like it's not a bad show is just i felt. I don't get seasickness. A motion sickness enough that motion sickness watching the show where they just okay. We're sailing and we're tipping. I'm like well the girl who it is. Who can get the yacht. captain louis. Where is the study of the. Because i can't do this little. I'm sorry failing yet and i don't even get to sleep here way. I think you sleep on it. I don't know i wasn't paying attention. I was like darlene too much for me yet. Now i guess next week. We'll probably see drew. Hopefully we'll see more of is hurting can kenya porsche and tanya are cool. Kanye went on the wendy williams and said they not speaking. nfl friends. And i'm like. I feel like imports arm friends. How would you know that yet. Sorry if you hear this. My daughter is now deciding that right now is the time to make her strikes noon eight advancements and she is always awake. I'm like we're going through like this. You know just real life shit but yeah. We're going through asleep progression. So i have not slept in like three days so i think i'm extra loopy on this because they have okay if there are any parents out there listening please slide into my. Dm's ono bravo. i need help. Please like unsolicited advice. Welcome because they have so. My two daughters have bedrooms that are like right across the hall from each other like occurred so if one of them gets going than the other one wakes up and it's like back and forth you come one of them down but then the other ones up back forth back and forth so yeah just living the good life over here. i'll it's like. Oh oh yeah. Okay all right. Let's let's get the potomac so sleep the finally At the finale. The finally. Because i swear i am. I feel the frustration from people who are not team. Monique may be like team candidates or they may be like me. I'm team both sides. But i'm leaning towards kansas because i don't like liars i'm like i don't see i am not blind and i'm not stupid and what you won't do is try to act like i'm stupid. Who you gonna believe me or your own is my own is bitch own is. That's what i believe so going into this. People were like who are either team. No nicotine candidates. They're not necessarily budging. I i will say that. I have a from My friend has text me. Say you know atlanta's back on. I'm like man. You know me better than this friend. I love her. She's probably listening to the supportive but she's just she's a casual bravo watcher. Like there's people like us like there's two types people when you hear somebody says. Oh my gosh you like bravo and then you ask one question. You can kind of gauge. Which type of bravo washing. So my my one friend is like a very casual watcher like two days ago. She's like oh my gosh. did you know that. All the vanderpump rules people are pregnant at the same time. I sure did thank you for that newsflash love. You had been years. I've been talking about it. Landed on my mother just started watching atlanta out of the blue and she's all in for potomac i was like honey is candice. She team monique so she's team. Monique how is interesting. Because i was like yeah. We can't talk about this but we don't talk about religion politics. Because i'm here to do any of this. 'cause that's like i got why she had like soul. She's the one who has always liked monique and does not like candidates. So like for me. That's like a baltimore. That's a pittsburgh steelers fan. That lives in pittsburgh. Live in pittsburgh. Of course you'd like the steelers. I'd like them so it's like i get it. I was just like i didn't like me. The one of them coming into this season and then the more i watch. I'm like i don't like being lietuvos like so okay. I feel like something's going on here. Because what am i missing like. I don't like this so now we get to the the. Finally the finale and we go into the christmas party. Oh that's right. Robin gets engaged. Like somebody else's big to happen. I'm like what else is going to happen. So we see karen trying to explain. She's like i've got my receipts and as you can see. I am not a liar. I'm like so karen you set out of your face that she wasn't invited and it was like week. Karen dearest grondahl ron ladies. Don't have the fucking lie for nobody. If cell is not you like if you feel like to know giselle is below you or you like hang out of town. I can do nothing for the fucking line to hurtful. Why are you doing this. Because i would just told her straight up also about the drinking thing is like are like why are you. Why of all people ashley is like. Oh my god. Why can't you be auto skews me. Your main reason why you don't like kansas is that she was questioning you about the drinking that you said you were going to stop. It was like you're the last. I i know you're not sitting here. This is why. I'm like y'all need to leave me alone about the whole thing. I'm like she was an asshole before that baby. Now she's an asshole for baby the baby on the way. Why i have ashley amnesia. I actually had the baby and this whole season. I'm like oh my gosh ashley. She's so relatable. I love her journey. Motherhood like maybe it's just i was resonating too much with it. And then i had people like to rea- and real housewives orders like i had people being like screaming at me like don't you remember. And like ben this this last couple episodes. I'm like a migrant. Welcome back to the stage ashley. Darby on my. This is ashley we kept talking about. I'm sitting here like actually is going to do this thing like you won an apology and when you get it you're like i know forever only wait then that means 'cause when the whole statement i was like okay but then when she started off with i am your friend. I was like punched her right in her face. I'm like are you kidding me. Oh my god. I i choose violets with you. I can't even talk to you. I choose violets. I i had a very i had a unique situation going into this into this season because i again. I think i'm down to about four followers at this point. Just might as well finish myself. I like i wasn't og candy galvastan me. Real housewives orders. There's probably one other person we heard. Bill let me see what the there's probably like one other person in our support group that we liked. I liked kansas. I always thought she was great television from late. You rarely have a first season housewife that jumps in meshes with everybody gets messy. Gets their hands dirty in. That was her for me. I also think that she has the potential to go full villain. She's just always fighting. It and i thought. I got this weird intuition like going into the season i was like i think she's due for a good at it like i think she's due for it and she had the good at it handed to her on a silver platter. And what did she do. Her little thumb's got tired. Tweet tweet tweet. Tweet tweet like if anything if she logged off of social media for this entire season and just let it play out on television. I think that the audience's reception would be much different but she just shot herself in the foot at every turn with her hateful shit with her aggressive shit with just her nasty should online. That like i think people already have such a blind spot for her because they find her knowing and where where where i get lost in the candice in mooney thing because actually my favorite type of housewife spite is win. The audience is divided. I would rather have like. I would rather have banter and like good conversation. Going on in my. Dm's thoughtful empathetic insightful. Responses to my ideas. Because i liked that i liked that banter back and forth like i actually enjoy that when it starts at the end of every season. It kinda gets to this point where it's like okay. It's time for the season to be over now because you start to see turning from empathetic insightful discussion to like full-on like we're kind of forgetting this is a television show when it becomes personal attacks like oh you're at team this person wolf fuck off like that's where i'm like okay. That's not my vibe. Like nothing i don't want any part of that. Yeah 'cause i think 'cause i going into the end of after the reunion. I was not a candidate person. 'cause i was like larry you're calling ashley a bedouin ch and then tried explain it like no. You're still wrong. you know. And then she called her a roach. And i was just like so typically dark can call roaches. Lighters can like goes like. This is very interesting and i was like okay so can as you needed to stop just didn't get on twitter and then when the fight happened and then the story leaked then. All of a sudden it turned into people start attacking her because the story was. She threw a drink on monique. Who was a fan favorite too Because i didn't like mony either 'cause everything that people hate about candidates moaning to the same damn thing and i'm like y'all don't sina. She's doing that because she's lodging against the somebody else that you don't like giselle. I always i always liked. I always liked monique for me. Monique was always like one essential oil from telling me she had an exciting business opportunity for me. She gave me that kind of vibe. Where i'm like are you going to slide into my hands and tell me i can be a boss babe like i just i like. I always like i i liked. I think i would get along with mony in real life. But i i. My thing is imagine. if you're candice this is my final plea. For the. 'cause i and i i see the i have empathy for both. I'm not. I don't think this is a black and white case. I think that like both were wrong. And both were right in different ways. And i can see both sides but this is my like plea to the people who are like die hard. Monique fans imagine. You were canvas Imagine that yes you went into it thinking. It was a housewife shows. You're going to give them the old razzle dazzle you were going to give them a housewife fight. You were going to be shady. You're going to be messy. You're filming a television show where you're literally getting paid to be shaded to another person and then it becomes violent. Not only does it become violent but then for an entire year you have all of the social media outlets saying that it was your fault when you know the hands or put on you first. And then at the end of the day not only are the blogs and instagram's and everybody coming at you but now the very people who are actually present and witnesses are telling you that what happened isn't what happened and that you were just as much to blame like that is such a mind fuck and i can only imagine like i too would have posted notes. Saying you're okay. You're okay. You're okay 'cause we asked ladies fuck this. That's the way it was kinda like. It was starting to give me lucy. Lucy apple juice e. t.'s. About how literally anytime. Anybody other than lisa vanderpump tweeted. People descended like locus. I was like oh. This is why i'm like. I couldn't get on twitter when beverly hills on went. Vanderpump was still there. And i'm like y'all don't feel vanden is the villain she is that's why she's so good. She's so good at it. But i was also the team. Were not mad at his love. No not matter. I've always loved to read. But i honestly in that fight at the end of the day She dropped off the dog at a kill shelter. Why are we not talking about that. Why are we talking retarding. Retarding sorry but returning the dog you gave it to another. You gave it to another family and they took it to a shelter. I'm like so first of all. Why are there killed. Shoulder is still around. But you know the i am not. I'm not the governor. So i can't tell you but i'm just sitting here like why are we. Why like. oh my god. I just had to get rid of the dog so you didn't do it properly. And now we're all mad at lisa vanderpump because she's the villain that johnno about because she's so good at it and now it's like wait. Why are we now. I will sitting here like y'all and then she had is really good at it last season. Like what the fuck. I loved three. I've always loved jerry. I like i like why you getting good at it. I'm like i don't like to read. She should get rid of a dog why this is the cognitive dissonance for me. I am the biggest dog lover. And i still like a door. Jury just i i. I'm sorry dog. I love when it comes to torri. I just you just like the like fashion because her instagram is just like it. Kills me every time. Like this is so great. I love this so much signing right valiente and his face tune bureau of investigation anytime to read po. Something right i know what's coming. He posted on. Like i know what poses coming next ryan's doing is he. Is he post yet. Let me put. Let me put them on. So i know exactly. But don't you think that's what karen was trying to pull was the mvp behind the scenes. Thank you not 'cause karen. I actually thought played it. I believed her when she said she was going to support. Both women and i actually thought that one scene. She had with candace where she was like. When you messed up. I was there for you and i'm going to do the same for monique. Like i thought that was a really poignant important scene and then it's like you made it this far care and then you just fell on your face. 'cause now both of them has you because i thought it was really weird that monique was going out of her way to say how supportive she was. And i'm sitting here like that is because you know is like moaning a lot of things. But she ain't all that stupid so no she can't shit on the fan favorite from the theories so even though your fan favorite is treating you like the side check. Because she didn't tell her main chick like try to sneak you around. It was like karen even if that's not your intention. I need you to dial back realized. That's how that looks. Because you're saying oh i told her for told you very soci- hands clean. I'm like so here's the thing you're forgetting that you called her and said come at five a five fifteen five thirty and she just happened to be late. What if move me was late and she showed up at like four forty. Five to five northbound can see that and she'll be like you said she wasn't invited. It wasn't that you didn't say she was coming you. Are you inviting no. I wouldn't because you don't like that and see. This is why i don't understand. Why karen did that because she's been very upfront the entire season. She hasn't hit the fact that she's gonna stay supporting monique's why couldn't she have just said. I understand that you guys would feel uncomfortable. There is the law is involved. You guys camp in the same room. I'm gonna have her come early because this is my brand. I want everybody to be supportive of this brand. That's all should do because she had already laid the groundwork she'd already pissed off candice by saying she's not going to pick a side so then just say that but instead by like having this lie. It's only gonna bite you in the ass even if you had the purest of intentions which i'm not sure that she did but like let's pretend she does do like the call. Sheet is going to be there. They're gonna see that. Monique was there. Darby ashley darby is not going to tell everybody please. Nobody's for on on that show. She had no problem throwing and right under the bus. Because i think i was watching the show. And i should have told ashley i'm like. Yeah see. I don't think this would have played. Thought she still wanna come dress she because she had no problem telling monique that. Oh yeah she says gee weren't invited like oh really like yes see. Monica plan is very smartly. Can huber's fan favorite on that show. It's apparently subjective but now leaning filming with her. what is she going to do. I assume she'll do you. Wanna it is probably at this point karen in maybe ashley even though it was like she had nothing to do with the rumors. Okay so what are you coming out with this now like. This is very interested in a way. That shaw moving. And it's like you just recognize. So when i look at how kansas reacting to karen it makes see this is wise like going back to watch. This is like this is a lot. So when ashley was attacking karen in net car in season three moni was laughing and chuckling. Candice said leave barron alone. She made so for. What on notice with candidates is like she'll have a clear side and if you're her friend she will be on your side. And she's watching. The two people that can can art on their side in is rotating around. Ashley is moaning. Did it to her. And now karen is i was like and i felt for candidates again like i. I wanna make it clear. Like i also felt i feel for only gonna understand where she's coming from do like i that there be seen of. Monique like that was a lot. And that was like. I showed like i was getting teary eyed. Like i understand her pain. I understand where it was coming from. I wish that she had the ability to then go in a confessional and just say i made a mistake full. Stop and not like continue saying you know but i was defending. It just makes it like it makes all of that important stuff that came out in the therapy just mean nothing. If you're not gonna like make any changes but with the end is the thing that i really resonates with me is. I always think that. She has viewed karen as that like surrogate mother figure because she has my personal biggest trigger on bravo dorothy the human equivalent of like a thumb tack in the toe like i. A woman is said. No i did. Her wedding was at the beginning of the season. I'm like oh shit is at the beginning. I thought it was like in the mid point or towards animal over starting the season with this okay Like i just she is so i think that she really viewed karen as like really important relationship to her now for her to realize like. Oh maybe karen didn't view me that way. I think canvas. unfortunately her go to thing is to be vicious when she's hurt and so rather than just being like my feelings are so hurt karen. She's going to be just vile at three union. I can just feel it in my bones towards can towards karen and and is going to sound bad but care is going to have this coming because like you can't sit here and say you've been stella friend. I'm like no stella friend does not allowed to me in my face that is not stellar france. The most pull her aside and say i you know i'm having his part i'm going to bring it up to the group. I'm letting you know that. Whole one issue came from robin. But i feel like to everybody else's asking if monique is coming and not kansas and she's the one that got assaulted by. Monique is like she should be the one because what i have a feeling like she finds out that she's not to okay but i won't be there and it's not that i don't support you know i'm just not going to be there. 'cause giselle wasn't there. It had nothing to do with monique or candidate or anybody. She was like no. You're you're person is a piece of shit and he was like y'all keep my name out your mind from like. Why are you at like you didn't talk about her. So this is so weird to me. I mean honestly they need another thing another chair at the reunion. That's just like this little. Scroll because that's it. You're acting like she had so she she just put up with it. Oh what you're doing. And i did feel bad promoting because i was like. Oh we wanna hear something so when she was talking about being only black child in an all white school. Were not feeling like you belong. Almost like yeah. I can feel that. This is where i got off on the train. You had no problem if kansas did. Not apologize ashley you would have been fine with are being iced out you fine with it and like so while i hear you. That's it makes me think about how she's acting with this group of women because the person that clocked her as a social climbing opportunist was cherise. She clocked at real quick. It's like oh so you're not really my friend. You wanna use me as a step store. Oh my god. Why would you think that in this like she has several reasons. But that's fine. It's like okay you don't you don't understand why that's fine. That's fine so it was. Like i get her wanting to be long and that so because she seemingly has busted her ass to get to a place where she has. You know fluent lifestyle. She's in different rooms. She has the lifetime a lot of people want and to see somebody. I would live in that I liked the lake. How i know like like house. There's no service i'm sorry. Peace and quiet. there's a lot on. I'm like peace and quiet silence so to watch her state that i don't care that giselle doesn't like me. I'm like i can tell you baby. You're full of shit you you it really bothers you because you're like mattis point in for somebody like a giselle to just go. That doesn't impress me now. What else you got in his like. You don't like me. Well i am. I'm the shit and her past a clock that on her. It's like people don't like you have a big problem of that data like say. Oh no i don't care what those things like you do though but honestly and i like to though you should actually pay her. Dust is like girl you see like if your home is happy and you're like is happy. Why the fuck do you care about what zell bryant thinks Like why do you care like you. Hair stop lying. If we're you get your Someone to ask you. If you remorseful. I am around marswell for my actions but i was defending myself and that is when you saw a lot of people go done i. She had me. She has and she's had me a couple of different times in the thing about. Monique is like. I actually find her. The most likeable when she's not trying to be perfect like i find her so relatable when she is being honest about the things that she is insecure about or the things that she's struggling with or the things that she is not happy with because unlike. Oh you're stunning you're perfect you have this great family. You've got this beautiful husband in baby in family fish tank in houses in all of this and like but like you still struggle to going back to that fish tanks take. It really is goals. I'm not even going to live. I'm like a guy literally i will. I will bird those like your you. Keep that potty training bird that you well. That's where actually if i'm being honest. That's where my team canada's allegiance. Start at the top of the season when she had that bird potty trained and i had a two year old looking at me in the eye and just peeing on the floor in defiance like like that birds plug member now but but i thought that therapy scene was so an out. And also that scene with her pastor. There have been these glimmers of like. Oh okay i see. I see what's happening. I get areas. Why it is an. But then she doesn't have the ability to just like sit in that vulnerability for a minute to chance it in that uncomfortable feeling of like shit. I'm not perfect. Having one confessional where she looks into the camera and she says i fucked up. I fucked up. He'll terrible and. I wish that i had reacted differently. And yet she can still say things are never going to be the same with candice. Candice pushed me to my brink like i. I was to push to a point of no return. But there's nothing wrong with saying mean cancer never going to be friends. I don't fuck with her anymore. And still saying i am so sorry for my actions and i'm wrong and i want to do better. But she like literally. Can't she isn't at this point in time and hopefully at the reunion we'll see it but i don't think so i she's going i just don't think she's comfortable enough just sitting with the fact that she's not perfect right. 'cause i even the way that the fight happened is based around you wanting to seeing perfect on the show you want to control the reality that we see and i'm like sometimes. That's not see this you mummy. You've been on this show a little too long as long than three seasons. But that's not. The point is like well. Four seasons at this point You you've been here for a little while you know for a fact you try to keep shit secret. It's going to come out on the show which is married cosby is like input on the shit out okay. Let me tell you everything. I'm going to be looking little girl booby about. I don't know how the internet works. And i'm a look like a loofah but still i'm like you know she's gonna put it all out mike. You can't control this. And i'm like i'm sitting here like you hit kansas. But not because she didn't like something out of the way she didn't because y'all going back and forth weather like she got in your face and try to jump in your face. Because when i think about the near violence you say you are pregnant. I'm like this is a red flag that this woman don't care if you are pregnant with your rainbow baby and you're saying i will drag you pregnant and all i'm like okay. So see this but this is the person you want to deal with. Because she ready fights you pregnant. No no no. You don't wanna mess with somebody like that. 'cause she's crazy so then when i think about her in robin is like this is abc must have his part of that blackout. Which is why it's like this is like potomac full of shit. So i forgot the part. Where monique's that they were arguing far away. Money excess. Come stay that shit in my face and robin walk right up to your face. what are you gonna do. Yeah but ribot is the one robin. And i have said this. I'm like i'm like i'm from baltimore. So robin we will true as see. We're not going to start no fight but we will finish. Please don't test me. i'm like yeah cause problems about the beat ashley's as to see. That was a fight that i wanted to say. She's like always. Dan cameron beat her s. See she has a reason to beat your ass ashley. She has a reason to be serious. It's like i just. I just that i mean just be honest to say i'm there's a lot of shit going on my life i am mad. You can't sit in front of that. Pastor that man of god and cry and say she didn't deserve that you can't say to ashley and then we at the finale. You go and i was defending myself. But you told your pastor there what happened. She didn't deserve which one is it. Mo- nina says where money glossed me. The first time was the fact that up intel the fight. She was saying that the wind came and she reacted. And it's like okay. Clearly you had the footage you know. It's one happy it's one thing and i've been in situations where things happen and everything's happening so quick you're adrenaline going and like you don't quite have the pieces all together. I get that. I get in the moment if she's thinking okay. I felt a nudge. There was wine. And then i just reacted okay. Fine you blacked out. You blanked out whatever. I don't know if somebody who's blocked outrage within like calm themselves down enough to be able to like sprint. After somebody but that's neither here nor there but you have the footage to know what actually happened. So then for us Like perpetrating this narrative that you were responding in defending yourself also like i'm sorry candace is a lot of things. Is she gonna like if it came to blows. Are you ever defending yourself against candidates like she. She's somebody that's gonna be like. It is really interesting to watch two people. Try to apply hood rules to candice candice. I from the hood so she don't know these rules because one i'm looking at it like been in the hood a little bit you flip my head. That means you ready to fight because one. i know. Kansas didn't wanna fight. She walk around that table. she really wanted to fight. She got in her goddamn phase. You won't stop orbiting like stop touching me. Stop touching me. It was like she wasn't ready and then when they got separated. Shane try to beat her. She was like a lot like y'all got to get off me y'all to get her away from me because i'm a beat. Her s none of that happened. That's not candidate. So you can't apply hood rule somebody who been there. That's like trying to apply me to farm rules. I'm the fucking is. I get up by sunrise. Okay well i know i adds up. I had the best comment on his actually from somebody who was team mony but the way that they phrase those like. I was cackling to myself. They said candace was playing Public school let me. Let me make sure i get this right. Handers is a private school girl playing public school games. Lady millions running her mouth. She was playing her games like she was going to go back and forth she was twirling she was doing the twirling cheetah print. She was not expecting it to get to via understand and yes. Kansas is extra all that. I don't think that that means that. She's not capable of being traumatized. And i think that we need to stop thinking that everybody's threshold of trauma is the same. Like i believe that she went into this thinking. It was a housewife. You know she's gonna give the best housewives fight. She's gonna make that trailer all it's literally what they are paid for like in real life if there was not cameras yes than maybe her going back and forth. I never a proponent of somebody's like asking for it. But i understand somebody being pushed to a breaking point and i just day like candace was never asking for a fight and i hate the butter knife thing. I hate us. Because i'm like young. You know what you'll really funny because you were acting like somebody like ashley could talk. Cash it to you in your home. You ask her leave. Wonder shimla okay. I see adamantly. Chris get her the fuck out of my house. Get the fuck out. So you're acting like she is not within like she threw she she. Someone said it was on the table. She had it as a microphone this she started tapping and then she was like get out of my house like you not she was little. I feel like you my home. And i'm like see this is candace you better than me because i'm i noticed bitches not talking about my mother. This is my mother's house. I'm like your husband. Bought your mother house you can shut the entire fuck up the sheep pays your mom of mortgage heaters is split the mortgage with bob mother and also i come from generation of well. I know you're not talking. You dirty raggedy bitch is so much to say well actually and like and she tries it. I'm like why are you acting like she's coming out her face with nothing like you bet in the me if i told you to get the fuck out. Y'all gonna beat her ass or i would've. I'm like i told you. Grabbed her by a little puff. When i hit the fuck on my house. I told you to leave. She was scared because she came back in twice. So please bear with his fucking butter knife. And i think the thing was the butter knife i mean teresa my My bravo lawyer. My talk to my lawyer she will dam. Just like how. I'm stephanie's lawyer so let me just tell you so episode free. But she made the good and again i. I am both sides. I see both sides but in this particular argument you cannot bring up the butter knife without also bringing up the umbrella. If we're going to go tit for tat we're gonna look history than there are two sides of the story and i'm personally saying i don't think any whim either one of the women have quote unquote history of violence of a history of aggressive behavior. I think they have a history of being on a housewives. Show like at any point. Any of them could roll the footage and there can be like you know that's literally they're paid to be confrontational and this is just an unfortunate thing because i think it got to a place it didn't need to get to like of course it didn't need to get violence and then i think if monique hadn't had to take the time to apologize or could have just said. Hey i need time to myself. I'm gonna get there like just take this communicate with our. I mean this is almost a month after charges and then candice pressing charges elevated it. I understand her being like okay. So i'm not going to get an apology. I'm gonna get something out of here now do i do. I think that she needed to pursue it to the fullest extent of the law. Like she sent no of course. Not that's this. Is you know that laws are so different everywhere else. Because one is like second degree assault is a misdemeanor. I was like shingle. Get town wait. How does mr who have five to ten years of jail. What's a misdemeanor it's like this is crazy. But she's also first time offense. She's a like she's in a well to do. She's a upstanding pillar of the community. Nothing is going to happen. And i like how people like. Oh that's because they could see the fault. Mike it's also because this is the housewives. They can't put this in the court. There is like this is not the first time someone's press charges against another housewives and they always make go away and think it was allowed loud. President can't they can't sue each other. Which is why vicky heads like. Drop her suit against. Kelly died or the reunion. They couldn't do that. It's like we so. We can't do this because i make hello porsche. Got charges pressed by hair on by kenya. No told king she was wrong. So that's the part that i'm like y'all being super weird about this because no one told kenya that she was wrong to press charges. You actually kinda figured she would because they're not friends. This is different. These two people were friends and this was not the same thing as 'cause literally it was like. She kept putting stuff in her face. She threw that separate. So that should have been your clue leave her alone and it's like these were mony. Can candice were arguing and moaning wants to be like. I wanna see clear fault. I'm like yes so it's not as clear which is probably also reason why got dropped is not that clear is like right if it's like semantic somewhere in there like but you're still not owning your part like now and i just think the thing that's like not getting lost and all of this is actually that it's super sad that like they could have been. They were friends even if neither of them will admit it. There was no love lost there and i actually think the two of them could been really for each other in a friendship like i think that that candace is authentically herself. Good or bad. And i think that would be so refreshing for monique to hang out with nc. Somebody who's like authentically. Themselves messy good moaning and her very very fun talks and then monique could have taught candice about like reeling. It back in and like thinking before you see you know. There are things that they could have learned from each other but unfortunately the bad part because one. Monique is the one who encouraged candidates to go after cherise inches mostly cherise and it was like y'all encourage them like y'all liked her mouth when she was defending you. But the minute stop old. Your mouth is a problem. I'm like so either it's a problem or it's not like oh it's fine when she's defending is is but it's not when she's like. Why are you treating me this way. It's like yeah. It's just a mass. This is terrible like these. I don't think either one of these women are not redeemable. Because i think one that defensiveness that mony is doing about this. She's always done. It is always done it. You invited robin into your home for a party. You wanted to sit down and talk to her about you. Know the your brother's eye. Gpa's i just want to see what's going on. You didn't like robbins says well. I ain't got time for this. I got a party to go to. I'm like you you engaged me. Ma'am i was not going to bring this up to you because i'm not going to bring this up. This is our home. I'm not gonna bring up at a party here you go. It's like movies always done this defensive thing and i'm like it's probably has to do what she brought up in her in her in her Counseling session about like always being on guard because of not having a fight to be fit in so it was like i. I see my baby. I'm a black girl to. I see why you're like this baby. I need you to get into real therapy. You're gonna know few years. I would say about that. You need to actually get into an actually deal with your shit without blame. Somebody else you hitting. Kansas has nothing to do with candidates and everything to do with you. And the minute you find out is when you'll see your breakthrough but sorry just does not need to like you can is do not make you put your hands on her. You did that. This is a choice. You made a choice. You are not going to stay here and actually say you need to care more about my kids and not do. I'm sorry sweetheart if you have more to lose why are you making this choice putting your hands on hers. Choice is not a choice you should have made is not a choice that i'm going to be like overly judgmental with you about because i understand about snapping. 'cause i saw them when she was like black people. I don't think she blacked out. I'm like oh she did. It was there is a darkness is like sh. She was standing there holding candice's hair and not moving is like let me go like okay. She's gone that's the moment that she blacked out. Yeah she was gone. There was nothing that you could have said. I'm like she's not even trying to do anything. She's standing there holding her hair. That's it like she's gone and it was like you can come back from this. You really can but it requires you to be a little bit more humble and baby. She ain't doing it especially because she is a fan favorite people in her corner. Who are gonna love her unconditionally. Who are going to actually probably respect her journey more and there are people like me who like. I'm not necessarily a. Monique stand. But i get it is e her like i might not get it fully like i'm white girl but like i get her i get her like but you know what i mean like i get her i see her like i understand what it's like to like. Wanna be so bottled up in perfect and like portray a certain image. And it's important for this and like i resonate with that. I get and i understand what it's like to snap and be like mortified and be like fuck. Fuck fuck fuck. I didn't know fuck moment for her. She got messed up is like i can't believe she took me there. I'm like yes so that means you're pinocchio you are a puppet if she can guide you anywhere baby. No you a lot stronger than that. I get that you gotta have the reputation that you're a black woman you're in these rooms that are majority white you live in tomac. Potomac is very white. And i think people keep forgetting that because this is a black franchise. I'm like topics are very white city. I remember when potomac as i'm maryland girl too i remember when they announced potomac and i was like even with atlanta they introduced it with kim zolciak mike but the very black city and then all of a sudden she left but it wasn't instant they did were married to medicine to they can't cari and unless like very interesting wabi besam l. potomac is like the first all black initial cast obviously like the whole like joke of it was like what's potomac who wears but we're so people assume a certain thing about potomac and then you know so i yeah it is a very white area like it so i can understand if she is like considering herself to be like the only or one of the only black people in a room and having that extra pressure we had that conversation of like interesting though that the two white ball on the cast went out at and nobody's saying that they're disgraced to microbes. Why are we not having this discussion about how darby can't go. Nowhere without causing a scene is like why are we not having this conversation that the two black men has to calm him down and i think a lot of people missed when he said. I'll grow like honey. You can't get involved in this. You're not white come on over here. on his clothes no she was all about the fact that the these two white men can get out the gate you cannot want. You cannot do it either baby. We didn't see rae. Rae was nowhere around. he was like nope. We're not doing this. Karen said grab your coat. We're above this was like yeah so it was kinda like so when people were talking about what wendy said. I'm like you do realize karen chin a gated it on twitter. But she didn't it in when he space 'cause she didn't disagree but let me just say like so bitch y you a said in the god damn. Why don't you say okay. So maybe we'll be back with the black woman thing. I get what you're saying but this is just about money because they don't represent everybody and that's not fair to make she represent all black women. Because there's no possible way but that whole reputation that i've got to remain poise. That is the plight of black woman in corporate. America is like i can't do anything race at all. I'm the angry black woman. If i'm doing fighting i'm always going to be aggressive fighting black woman. And that's something that honestly. Monique needs to get delivered from baby. You can do everything right. Never layer handle someone and some still gonna hate you because you're black like mo a make. You should be better than this. And i'm like i'm just as just disappointed. I'm like it's going to take some time you've had a whole fucking year. You should be at this place of. I can just apologize. And say i'm only my part instead of. She needs to understand that she don't need push people. I'm like so i well. You don't think you telling her that your friendship is beside. She is dust behind me. We were never real friends. You don't think you went too far because you you started at physical and you started that that verbal fight to. You could just let her little toast. Even if you feel like you wanted to be shady in your little thought bubble you had to say. Oh you love me now. Because you've got some looking. She'd been doing the whole damn season like girl is she. Reacts i thought the twirling and stuff like i was laughing and i thought with cheetah print. And she's like twirl inch was yeah. We're bringing shave us being fun. I thought it was something like that. I would have done to kind of be like because i'm like the class clown right like my role in the group is like if i feel tension. I'm gonna like hey look over here. it's like. I almost thought that was her trying to lake. Cut tension a little bit. And i i. It worries me when. I see the previews of the finale that monique is coming with the binder. Because i'm like that does not at all yet but it's like that for me. That doesn't scream. I've done a bunch of work. And i'm ready to apologise sociopath that screens like i am and i know that i can't win with canvas so i'm going to drop a bomb over here and let's just sit back. I also like i would love to see this. Exact same cass next season and. I know that they're rumors that monique is gonna leave. Kansas is going to be fired. And we're going to be like all. I want it to be the setanta one hour. I'll honestly i do too. I don't think anybody needs to be. I feel like if monique doesn't come back is gonna be her choice. It's not gonna destroy she's gonna be like i'm yeah like you don't and it's like i want you to get here so i have a. This is a hot. Take about dorothy. 'cause a lot of people were talking about like. Oh my god. They're such good space. I'm like out of a heartache. Dorothy didn't like monique. She's never liked monique so she's actually fine with this. Was like get her the fuck out here. I don't think dorthy ever liked her. And i'm like this is my heartache about dorothy in that codependent. Massive relationship dorothy. I'm not exaggerating is my biggest trigger on bravo the equivalent of stubbing your toe in the middle of the night like the woman is makes my blood pressure rise. I think it's partly because she's a therapist. Partly because she is just like. I cannot imagine at like anything that canvas does. i'm like. Yeah you had dorothy as a mother. And i understand why you might be a little like looking at it and understand why she gets she. She gets from what kelly thinks he's doing. If you throw a knife on nuke that is actually can is does. But i think it's because i can't talk back to my mother so you think i'm gonna take some bullshit from you. You have another thing coming slit her whole life. Her mom is expensive. She's probably been told all the things to get. You should together. I'm like you're my mother. You raise me. What are you doing so this is my thought about dorothy. I think that basically this whole situation pushed candace back into dorothy arms. That candace starting to grow some independence. She was starting foster her own. She was starting to spread her wings. She was starting to develop these relationships. She had this relationship with karen. She had these like healthy female friendships that. Maybe she could talk openly about what's actually going on. That started shining a light on what some things was wrong with. Dorothy right and then all of this happened. Basically candidates had the rug from under her every single relationship. She had it again and again. I with mooney than with the rest of the group now with karen and then she pushed back into north arms. And dorothy is gleeful in that scene of like i'm an and then she's like joking about kidnapping her grandchild and i'm like dorothy is not kidding. She's gonna kitchen because even because you saw her on. I think thanksgiving and how it's like two different people. It was like this is so interesting. And i think it's mostly because that is not dorothy house so it's like oh i really she really. I can't that was over. I can't hold. I can just sell this cows right up from under you. She can't hold that on her more so she got to be like. Oh she really is adult in my is now even though it's like so would you give it a house for if you were just going to hold. I'm like girl is like she now has a husband who by the way chris. Bassett is literally chris number one show for me because the when he said you can talk to your wife. Anyway you want. You will not talk to mind that way. I'm like oh while i i mean that song. That's my type that's might. He's quick toward it. This is the thing first of all it must be said. I hope that he sought medical care for the brown. Dick's that's not normal. A medical professional about that. I hope he got that sorted out. I will never stop thinking about his brand. I feel like i feel like that. But i don't think that this is what makes him. Actually an excellent househusband is that he always. Let's candice fight battles. He is never getting involved. Like without needing only ever does is to protect her. Like okay what we're not gonna do. Go after ashley. I'm gonna sit on you. It's gonna be fine. Don't don't don't go too far. Don't go lets her fight his like they're over there. Having a finale fight this is what her job is. She's having the finale fight over here and he's doing what he's at the bar because he's like okay cool. She's earning that paycheck. She's gonna do what she's gonna do. And like i again can only imagine what the past couple months have been like for him as the supportive spouse as somebody who support them very leery so he was very very supportive. Because he didn't just it wasn't chrysanthemums. One that's embarrassing. He was like giving her tina next day. Are you okay. How are you feeling in with her on the cast trip. Don't worry so different. I'm like he was like performers. Like i'll know and you know he really does love her. He actually does care about her. You know like yeah. And i'm kinda glad she has risen highlight. Because i feel like it's a single this be a whole lot different. She probably would go somewhere a little bit more downward spiral and it's like really grounding for her like i really is really good for her and i. I know what this says about me. I've said this before. I see myself like my relationship with my husband who i call. Dr bald like we are very are dynamic is very similar to kenzi whereas like he will sit there like shit. She's hundred hundred tequila whereas the not gonna go but like he's very supportive. He like tequila. Katie are you kidding i. I'm more of a cairns. Like what the hell's gonna come out of my mouth but no but show. But he's like he's supportive of me and he loves me unconditionally. He knows. I can handle my own. But like i imagine if someone is okay so if michael darby came up to him at a bar and tried to talk shit about me he'd be like excuse me sir you sit yourself down. Go back door him. Michael dhabi's can we call them dhabi. No no no. We liked dobby album. We're not doing dabi. Dabi apple ever no because we don how else. How dare you know. First of all fuck you second of all. How dare you. You will not recipe god. I'm sorry i'm saying. I just i didn't realize this until someone pointed out. That party was the first time they had been in the same room since the reunion. So as like michael. Don't fuck with you and chris damn show. Don't fuck with you. So you running up to him like y'all had some sort of compensation been in the same room he was like get the fuck away from me and i. It's so interesting to see the people that are going to have the narrative of this person's right in this person's wrong of like we caught em see he's violent too and i'm like these are completely two different situations. I'm sorry hit her. He did not hit him and and when he was asked to leave he left. He didn't cause a scene did not Darby who then was going in picking fights with other people in there like i. I just think i can only imagine like put yourself in his shoes that for months for for months he's had his wife be torn apart on social media in the blogs in this in that land. Now like you're just trying to get through this reunion. You're trying to be there for your wife. You're trying to stay the fuck out of it and sorry. I'm cursing so much like your but like but he's just trying to stay out of it. Get through the night at the end of the tunnel. This has been so matt on your family. You know that they are talking about this every night. He's like living this. He's trying to be strong for his wife. And then this fucking bridge troll comes up to him to be like you better control your way. I can imagine that milwaukee better than me. Because i think i would have punched him and it's so interesting where he's like. Oh you're touching you touching me baby. I know i wonder this fine. So i get it but one dixon manhandled you a lot more than chris. Bassett even came near you. That man was like holding you and holding. Try to get face not getting your face but try to hold you back like relax com nail. The why he's like. I'm gonna put you in jail. My that is hilarious. Coming from you like you that we actually have video proved you touch somebody without them wanting. Do you try to make him like. Oh you're trying to make this happen trying to put me in jail in the first thing i'm gonna have you in jail. I'm like and they hit come hickam scrappy. Do with the pony. See this is the second time that you have walked into a fight. You all know what the fuck is going on. You're going to open your mouth. And they came at candice. Hey you go pointing your finger and her face and christmas face yoga upstate note. Let them white people know get questions crystal beat his ass. Go right ahead. He's drunk. It's fine let them beat his ask. Why people fight. I'm not doing what you it's like. First of all somebody punched mickey darby right in his face and then you're only mad at him for. You're embarrassing me. In front of production. My he calls three scenes tonight vis israel and you went on vacation the next day. And you're having baby number two girl you're not all that this was from december. Did you hear that horror music that they put on. That's like almost like i. Cannot you know what i need. I need a show about the production on potomac so we can hear what they think. And what what must happen. That dozen air asked option. Does oh you see more of the producers in our after show. I'm like see. Ya need to have your old show. Carlos carlos king hello. Can you come over here interview them than have them own reality producers. I would love it actually. No screw that. Excuse me Is is are any potomac producers listening. Would you like to come on. Mocha minute stephanie. Can interview you. Let's many questions. I'm like girl. Just go what what's in. It's like mild you got the to the to wipe us fighting. Karen versus candice and candice is like emotional like karen. How are you both sizing this anything. Like this is the same karen who told robin that. She should both sides this. Where should we were on in. They were going back and forth and she flato giselle to our face. I agree with cherise and those like okay. 'cause she realizes up they actually are friends so for carrying to go. I don't have to pick a side. That's not what you tell robin you you give advice. You don't follow it and the theme on his no. She's frustrated because blindly aids on. Karen had an issue with somebody. Candidates took her side. It didn't matter she was just like i really. I'm your friend it's like you're more of a loyal friend. Can is the more loyal karen than she is to kansas. I don't think she's a terrible friend. So i think she gives good advice but she don't always follow through because there's no way you can't karen you can word this differently heavy maliki house. Of course that's going to hurt. Because if she had just said let me just be very clear. If you had asked me to do this i would have said yes to you too. Don i'm like. I'm in the middle. 'cause i love you and monique. So this is not me saying. Mony mo right. But that's not what she said. Baby the then cairns like you're going to see the truth and it has to do with cans using the word released. I don't understand. I actually know five or it doesn't make you just in self-defense. What's the truth here you were there. You weren't there you like i. The truth will make but she were there. And that's what i i understood. Candice getting elevated about that of being like what truth do you need to like cut out. Ashley ashley wasn't there. You were like you didn't see. I saw another video yesterday. When i noticed something. I didn't notice before wendy did. Try to break them up but it was too late. She had already grabbed her hair. She was like. Whoa what are we doing so it was like miss. This part is when he was like no. We're not fighting ladies. please toppling air like what she. I don't even know karen. I don't think you're a terrible friend in her. You're you weren't a good friend. 'cause it's like you don't because you're not listening to why she's upset and because money gets just rubber-stamping you because well she knows better rate is like your fan favorite. I can't go against you because nobody has dispelled my hypothesis. Is that if in some upside down. World mony and karen got into a physical fight and she had hit karen. Nobody would be team. Monique ever they'd be like how dare you violent piece of shit. How dare you hit caring like nobody's like there's no one told me. Oh that's not true. I'm like yeah literate. Hit karen you know what's so interesting so i do my polls every week in my stories. One of the questions. I asked was if the roles. If everything about this fight was reversed. If monique was twirling and candice reached out and grabbed her Would the audience be divided and it was like a percent said no eighty percent said it wouldn't be as divided as it is now and i'm like well at least you guys have self awareness like i understand and i actually i give people credit like i've had so many. I'm getting ready to do my teddy talk of the season of what can't wait data. I've got my charts. Like i'm like yes all weekend putting that together but i'm asking people for their opinions and i've gotten some. Dm's being like. I just don't like candice. I'm just and i'm like you know what i said that i appre on us. I'm like i'm just team. Only don't matter what she do. I am still not monique. I'm like so you sound like a pittsburgh steeler fan to me by the way for everybody. The steelers are no longer undefeated. They lost to the red cross to the washington football team. I was gonna call them. Washington racial slurs. But you know. I am i growth. Okay my brother was on it. We were talking about football. I'm like when we were talking. I was like. I think we brought up like do you think the team's gonna be undefeated. I'm like the team. That's going to give them. Their first loss is not who you're going to expect. It's going to be somebody that's like. Not a good team is going to be like. It's going to be the we're like any given sunday shift. It's not gonna be the it's not going to be the chiefs no no. It's the washington football team. They lost to them. I'm like yeah see see that. Don't make no sense. It's like on paper is like they should have home. And i'm like. I can't wait to take my brother and my you see who they lost you right like washington like not. Who's a steelers fan. Though i know can can. Can he get me. James conner for christmas. Goes man he's pretty. He's a cancer survivor. I know he is in quarantine for co. i can't it but He give me james conner for christmas but here let me do it again. Santa listen to this. Wild like is be running backs up like him is todd. Gurley is richard jennings. I'm like what is this much. Running backs is what it tug early. He's just a hazem boy. My i'm like he's like so much younger than me. He's twenty five and it was like what i'm like. What pinch his cheeks. James conner for christmas. Santa i've been somewhat of a good. I have been practicing social distancing santa this automatically puts me on a good list. Indefinitely does for james conner. I'm sorry i was gonna say something nasty if not after ten pm yet. Guys i will say monas- news for twitter and jonathan. So he can pay. Hey hey we're not the timelines that sleep mike. Tomlin never sleep jonathan. I'm saying. I like a beer. Whom she he's a beer into so we're getting three parts so as not parts of reunions. 'cause no i know we're getting three parts which kind of figured it would be and i hope it's not like you know how the three years the first one was like okay. We begin stuff in the second episodes. Like what the fuck is this and then a third was. Oh yeah okay. We're here so hopefully we get a good solid but You know if that binder is full of laminated pages. Talking about jamal brian stick. I'm like girl we don't care we also know we also have google we as girl we don't care i'm like if that is your thing that is also a deficit to mony mike. Monique you have spent all of this time to keep your personal business. This rumor about this trainer. That i don't know what he looks like. What apparently he's fine. And the paternity of your child off show for you to turn around and go to the reunion say. Let me bring up everything about jamal. Bryant i'm like man this is where you lose me because they can't be don't bring on my family. Lock out since you wanted to this. Let me bring this up on. My girls is all you. That's all you have on giselle coming. At least herring got every beauty and like but okay. We gross not seen it. I just assumed that we stopped making it. I i mean. I don't care mine hot take. I almost wish that they would put a gag order on housewives during the season. Like i don't like the tweets. I don't like the going live. Like i think it actually takes away from the show because some fan like i. I don't really follow it unless it's sent to me and then we've got people like ob. And theresa. who were like i swear. Have their own little detective agency. There like sorting through all backstreet. Is the reason why. I'm like a blocked up the lake z. You know what i mean. And then we're like we're arguing with people that have different reference points and it's like i almost would rather we all just watched the show for what it is and then you can bring it out. Bring out all the reunion at the reunion. Give all the behind the scenes details. Tell us what was act like this. How we used to be especially remember the early season varnish it up till the reunion where that's originated where they'd pull the file from behind the and like everybody print everybody going to kinko's print out text messages. I'm like i miss like right. And that's that would rather i would rather have in that format so we could all talk about in that present us with that because i think it gets so convoluted and confusing when like not every not even getting covered on the show right. And it's like y'all the reason why we can't do live anymore. Mony can canvass and it's like you do realize we stopped because you bringing up something that's now being covered on the show. You're doing all of this. Because is like they used to do lives last season because carrying used to go live after the episode after episode. But i think it was just kind of those who maybe think i think monique to. It was like they would just talk about what's on the show. Get shut down last year. Because karen is just talked about the show whatever they saw what. Y'all just all to that okay. So let's talk about it and you know what's even so messed up in this. Just be my own delusion. This is neither here nor there. But now i'm trying. I'm very delusional. Seven sliding into many bravo levies. Pay an bravo live. Fridays and sundays. And i have to go through bravo now because they don't approve bravo liberties to go live on instagram. They have to approve. It has to be an approved now. And i swear it's because again this is just based on speculation but i i have to imagine it has to do with those lives of like they need to vet people of like. It's not. what are you guys gonna talk about live. because it's live can't be edited. You can't enter anything out of alive so i don't know even if like if you even if you don't save it it's fine but people can record. Yeah live which is why the whole thing. And and i'm not gonna touch too much about this. The whole thing with the black socialites. It seemed one-sided because kyle didn't save his lives that's why people don't know and it's like if you think that cow was just laying there and take it girl no he wasn't and he shouldn't have they're going back and forth because he was one of the first people bet reported what happened at the party and he is maintained which is why give him a give him a lot of grace air not just because he. He's no longer here but because he said this is a story that i was told so. He is saying he's saying i gai- i objectively reported a subjective story. So it's kinda like you see that and then even like in late september early october he was like i'm no longer talking about potomac and i'm like so on what. What would he stop doing that. And then you see where All true t. not all about the t two totally different pages. Put up like screen shots of kyle saying that I was lied to about the fight and someone was using me as a pawn. And i'm like so if you look at a lot of the bigger bloggers if you look at some even the write ups of the recaps. They're not candice friendly and they're also not objective. So it's kinda like that's very interesting because it was a concerted effort to make. It seemed like candidate started fight so people walked into the season. Arguing already hate candace. Because i know she threw a drink on my queen. So guess what fuck her forever. And i'm sitting here like i'm kinda like that too but it's like i still. I'm like i don't necessarily like monique. 'cause i don't like the way she plays some time. And it's like giselle. Dust stopped paying paying attention to hurt girl. You have a nice life. You have a beautiful children a husband. You have four homes. You have a seemingly good knife and this is when you know. There's cracks in your. There's cracks in those veneers and you see it by the way that she's acting because he's not owning link or you're too old to be doing this and you like you were so much older than candace. You are three years apart and she is not the youngest person in that show. That is ashley as her up. Because he has a kid. And i'm like so she is. She has a little bit more responsibility because she has a husband. She has kids. She has all of these going on. But that doesn't mean candidates not a person and she don't have a life because she's not. she's not a mother that doesn't make her less important. That doesn't make her the youngest. It doesn't make are immature. 'cause is very immature to you. Oh you want me to hit you or you want me to hit you. That is immature. Why the fuck are you putting your hands on me like monique. You need to stop. And i'm like it's gonna take her some time she might need to step away and let but also i don't wanna fired. I'm like you know she can get like porsche and come back and it was like. This is why. I'm glad that fight with her. Grabbing kenya happened to reunion because we would have got the same damn things like are we dot dogma this anymore we don't care is like you put your hands on her and you're dead as wrong. You're also data's are on a thing that well she baited me. I'm like i'm sorry. Is this middle school. I actually feel this might be a hot take actually feel robbed by the season. It was a great season. But i feel robbed. We didn't have the opportunity to see all of the women interacting for an entire season. I think that there are so many more dynamics play out i've maintained. I think dr wendy. Monique have a lot in common. I think it would have been so interesting to see their blossoming friendship. I think that that would have definitely like put a wedge between dr wendy and candidates. I think there are so many things to play out. And i know it's probably not looking this way. I say again. Like i would like to have this exact same cast for another season and make them all film together. Obviously as part of signing onto agree that you feel comfortable and willing to film with everybody but if you think about it despite happened so early in the season that i feel robbed. Because i actually think this is a perfect cast. Dr wendy was a great addition. And i if you think about it like we really didn't get a full cast anything except for like the winery. Yeah and it's like we. Their cash trips are always fun. is like should happen because even like they're think pairs trip was after the whole umbrella thing and they were making fun of it right. It sounds like and they worked. It out is kind of like you wanted that. And it's like i wish it hadn't gotten to Physical because i feel like if it was just arguing kinda pulled them apart or she just walked away like she had been doing literally this entire season. And it's like. I think we could have gotten it because you know people are like. Oh my god can't using this as her storyline she doing. Hey hi. she signed a record deal. She recorded a song. What was leaks. Storyline please tell me. I don't know it can't be that podcast shadow to mind but also know sarah frazier from the hague Or sarah frazier. Now she was on. I remember talking about her. Doing the podcast. So i knew her pockets was in november. So i knew wasn't tober. Because i remember talking about it was like yes this way after the fight. Yeah yeah i. I mean honestly. This was a great season. I think it's come to an end at a perfect point. Because i feel the tension i know it's and here. We are like two hours at still talking about this. This is what i. I can't talk about this anymore. Anyway let me tell you about the best ensemble Like i know everybody has their favorites. But it's like i think as an ensemble they're spectacular. Yes early seasons of atlanta used to be this to a certain extent. Sometimes new york alcee. I feel like they've never had a stellar ensemble. Ever beverly hills. I'm sorry. I miss taylor just me or i don't know but it's like i feel like they had a good ensemble but it wasn't as cohesive as a potomac is like bell of the ladies need each other it doesn't work never as beverly hills was never as funny or as light like when they had a good on was that they could all mesh well in the drama. Where i actually like. I love a housewives that can have fun together. Like i like when they're laughing and not fighting i. Actually i liked when they played the prank. Dr wendy like. I like when it seems like a girl's trip i could be and i think that that potomac does that really well of balancing the mass and the drama with the good times in the funny and the starkey in the witty and the like just good like happy vibes and i think like i almost feel like we missed out on a little bit of that because it got so dark with the fight and i think that the fight became more than the fight and they've had so much more on their shoulders where like we've seen fights on better pump rules and new jersey and like all these other backhanded kristen. She did not like jal was like. Oh wait a minute. She didn't get reprimanded. No one says she should be fired. Nothing right she just punched. She liked backhanded her like you. Didn't i use one dollars a night. One whiplash shake like horse. Collar drew sh- child like theresa flip the table. The joe's literally multiple fistfights. It's like this is not new. It was like yeah so this is not like i'm sorry y'all and then maybe just because we are old school old like we are not new to this we are true to this is like we have been watching like this is not the worst ever been on. This is just the one that didn't handle. Jump cuts yes. That is the difference. This is a straight continuing anytime soon. My fights there are jump cuts. They didn't do jump cuts with this. And i'm like that's because you want people to watch this season. And i feel like y'all thought johnson have a season with out this and i'm like so that's not fair to kansas normal meek right it's like yeah so they can't heal if you're still showing this and people are still talamona. No she deserved it. I'm like so yes. No one deserves to get sold in this. Like see it gets really to align of that. I'm not comfortable with because i get. Sometimes it's like what she did what she said to monique. Nothing she said was fighting words. Shame dog her chow. She spit in her face. Seemed none of that. She just couldn't take her teasing her. And it's like girl that's not that's not hey ends worthy. This is not her. She didn't shit on us even say our friendship didn't mean shit that was you and and i mean and i understand the like the straw that breaks the camel's back type of thing it just had it and she would have that level and probably realistically kansas said anything that day and it would have come to that. She misses there. But what i wear. He again loses me as like. I see her liking the instagram posts in the tweets of like candace. I would love for monique to say. Thank you so much for your support. You know i've been doing a lot of work. Candidate didn't make me do anything. I made a bad choice. But thank you for your support. I'm so glad you're team. Monique lemieux my oils. Whatever like you know. Let me give you podcast. But for her to be like on one hand saying she's doing all this like introspective work in working on herself and look away to blame camden dill finding away to blame candidates. And it's like that's not it not work. You're not doing the work whizzy. All i'll she's a friend lance onto you and i love her. I feel like we like. But what would you have done differently. Well what if it was like girl. You can't keep blaming candidates for your actions that is childish immature is like do and on the flip side of that candace when your therapist is literally begging you. Please take some accountability. Just saying you know what. I think i probably could have stopped provoking her or could have like maybe not taken it. Just candice all like not sort of like some responsibility but i find it so interesting. People get so pissed at her for not taking accountability when nine of are two sides of the same coin and a liberal or is like they really are a lot like it. Still ball still blows my mind. That kansas entered this franchise as a friend of ashley you realize. She didn't come in his morning's friends. You came in as ashley's friend. I'm like oh okay so this is fun. This is terry are because i'm sitting here like candice made it a point to say he was talking about the physical part of the fight and i'm like okay. I feel like. I don't know if you could have did something different. 'cause when it happened so fast but i feel like y'all to arguing is like y'all is about to leave and it's like i'm not putting any blame anybody else around them but if y'all like seeing this why didn't anybody say you know what it's time to go wild charges sit around and just if you're invested in them actually working this out you'd be like hey why don't you just go meet for okay. We're gonna go okay. This is over like y'all could do that is like if y'all saying she's so immature and she needs help fucking help her. It's like this is really weird to me because that'll be my thing but it's like of course we can sit here in like we're looking at it bird's eye view of everything about what we would do but honestly for in this situation. I don't know. I'm like i probably would have been wendy. Hey hey wait wait. Let's not throw hands okay. I probably honestly would have been rob like backed up. Drinking wine is helping just calling her pet bird and now we're fighting okay. I wasn't prepared. Yeah so girja loins because three parts of the reunion. And i think a couple people say if you're gonna leave here to monique if you're a team canada you can leave your tim canas. I'm like so that sounds fun. I'm like i'm really productive because like i might. Psa for anybody listening who yes in season is upon us. Let's just like okay. My number one thing is if you can't say it nice at least say it funny and just remember like at the end of the day this is bravo show and we love this and the fact that we all are so passionate about bravo is actually something that brings us together. So let's stop with the bullshit like it's not fun when i see people like going after each other's characters per being team muni team candidates empathy. How could you. She's a person in. What are you doing. I mean honestly. I don't think it's been this divided since bethany. Carol right nine nine teams you thank you. I own is unlike bethany. I took a trip. She does not own you sizzle. Carol did the bike. You bitch you take your sitting girl and sticking straight up you're like are you like carol doesn't have the life hugh and you would lily. Doing what chill did to you and you like. She didn't see where i'm like. You do realize you were mad at carol and you're doing anything that jodi into you like i helped you. I did this offer you and now you're acting like i'm like you don't see the okay. That's fine bethany but because everybody likes bethany and they were like bethany that burlington so she kind of is but this is also a relationship. A friendship is a relationship. And y'all gonna have to do it but carols like girl. I don't wanna do this. I just want to wear these big old ugly earrings and sits in the cafe and eat. But you wanna have a discussion. I don't this is a lot like you're doing this over text message. I'm like so. I can't take you seriously. You wanna have a whole discussion over. Not you know where i live. You can have faith time. You have it. You have an iphone. What are we doing girl see. This is what i know. I've watched rebels along. Because i'm like. Oh my gosh. Oh no bravo that yes bravo. I wanna know justice for top chef because this last season of top chef all stars was so damn good and i'm like lashing me low. I need to get back into top chef so when my husband and i first got married we had a roommate who It was funny. He's like the manly man ever but he would watch top chef and that was like a show. We would all watch together then when we moved out and had kids and stuff like now. It's like i realized. I only watched because of this roommate but i need to get back into it all. That will be my pledge to you. I'm gonna watch. I was like. I didn't really like the other alzheimer's disease. This one is the pandemic. I just liked it. But i'm a sucker for restaurant wars so i'm like it's my shit i just love it. I'm like i just like washington show of stuff that i mean. If i went to culinary school. I probably cook it. But i'm just gonna watch. Y'all do it reductions. I literally like burn eggs. Like i can make rahman i can make bagels by putting it in the toast. That's pretty much the extent of my cooking. So what about reduction like google should meet low. That's how you turn on my go. My fiscal shopping with no food. After i wanna go play some top chef. I love and maybe i will get back into See realized this is a bravo. Podcast now right. I was like i had to i. I'm putting this out there. That i am formulating a bravo. Podcast that's gonna be off shoot of momentous so this is just crazy and i'm just like i watched so much stuff on bravo discussing stuff. We're bravo okay. Yeah it's like kyla when you came on my live. Which by the way people if you have not listened Shameless plug it saved my. Id tv. it was a very good episode again. Almost got banned from instagram. I swear so. Go and check that out. It's my tv or my patriot. The audio if you prefer to listen to it like a patriot. But i loved that. When i gave you the little outline i was like okay. Does this look good. And you're like it looks great except I'm not bravo pod class. I'm like well. I don't believe you but okay you're like okay. I won't tell them that this time but next time up. Bravo why you listen everybody. Excuse me this is our turf. Believe me i've heard the stories about some folks in in our sphere. And i'm like girl i just wanna have fun. You want to be famous. And i'm like girl. I wanna be famous and have fun. What about that. you're different. You're like i want to have fun and also what's that mother shuckers like. Oh man we still talk about. Corn corn will corn will come. And we'll go. I just i needed to have a line in the sand. Mostly because like i love it i love my followers. Very passionate people might where it's at. It was getting to the point of like ninety percent corn. And i needed to maybe take a step back from the kernels. Just a tiny bit everyone. It'll be brothers dockers. I still love you. Guys still somewhat a corn account. But i needed to draw the line in the sand at some point. Gosh well sounds like we have a show but before business almost one before we get out of here. I thank you so much for being here. I really really loved having you on your 'cause obi from odd black individual i'm like when he came on i was like yes. I need you to get podcast. And he's like oh like he's like. But i now has a podcast. I'm like i feel like i manifesting. That's because i see folks invoices. I feel like should be there so i mean you know if you wanna have the motherfucker pod. I'm like no going to name it. I mean i mean miano point. Say i will say this in the new year. There's gonna be some changes. It's not going to be a traditional format but there will be more opportunities to listen to me rather than see me. I'll put it that way. So you can manifest that to many exciting okay. Okay okay But please everybody. I mean i feel like i've kept saying it. But how can they follow bravo Bravo on instagram on. My do have a patriotism that. I'm dedicating a lot of time into like i said i'm watching atlanta from the beginning i'll be signing into your. Dms by the way for to get you on the books. Here dr nine. So my husband. Dr not a medical doctor just demand went bald at twenty two. I've got him on the patriot. A couple of times breaking down some stuff. He is like all in on salt. Lake city's so i'm definitely going to get him. Omar where so is he in the show squat or is he with swinger He likes the swinger. He does like the swinger He is very very concerned about jen. Shaw's i'll put it that way. Oh because her husband's salary is public record and it does not support a forest type of lifestyle. I'll put it that way. She lives skiers or maybe she printed it out. I'm like look let me know if it's like someone because i want to stay at the ski chalet. That's what you said. can we airbnb. And i'm like all we need is like thirty five of us to afford it like. Can we do record because it would be a little a little. Bravo podcasters excursion. The could be our retreat. That'll be our bravo time. Yes oh my god while also proper con twenty twenty one asking but anyway if you wanna see more of me i have insane wigs and ramona. Is i go. Live on. Fridays and sundays. Five pm pacific eight. pm eastern. All of previous lives are saved. My id tv. And i will be having you back now to get a wig. I got hit the well. Thank you for having me this So much thank you. Thank you so much guys. I will be back next week with somebody else that loves the top bravo with me so excited. Oh just this month is gonna be great and folks. I will say this. I know i'm gonna be talking about bravo but we're going to be talking about like stuff off reality. Tv but this is a lot of stuff as you can see. We've talked a lot because there's a lot to talk about And also january twenty. I cannot happen. I'm like yeah. January twentieth january twenty. First outsourcing reporting that account so he can get off twitter because we couldn't do it while he was president but once he's not he's gone so reporting with me. 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