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MTTA 122: Jennifer Graeser Dornbush

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MTTA 122: Jennifer Graeser Dornbush

"You're listening to meet the author. The podcast right. If you writers of mysteries thrillers and suspense books i'm host. Alan peterson and this is episode number. One hundred and twenty two in this episode of the podcast will be meeting. Jennifer grazer dornbush. She is a writer speaker and forensic specialists creating a diverse range of stories that shed light onto dark places of human experience. She's the daughter of a coroner so she corron death he's also author the top selling nonfiction authorities book forensic speak us not only by hollywood show runners and writers but also crime investigators and line for her latest novel. Hole in the woods is based on the true crime case of shannon ciders and is available. Now we'll get to jennifer about all that and a lot more so stay tuned reminder before we get to the interview please visit thrilling reads dot com for slash rate to rate and review this podcast ratings and especially written reviews. Show that you liked the hard cast and it will help others find the podcasts and gave it listen. It's the best way to help me. Get the word out especially on sites like apple podcast but wherever you're listening to it please. Moment to rate and review it go to three weeks dot com for slash to just that all right. Here's my interview with jennifer grazer dornbush. Hi everybody this is allied with. Meet the filler author. And on the podcast. Today i'm gonna interview jennifer racer bush. She's a writer speaker Forensic specialists secretes a diverse range of stories that shed light on the dark places of the human experience favorite type novels. Jennifer will to the podcast. Anc you thanks for having me so you have a public background. That i've seen with a forensic specialist your data's medical examiners you like literally like for real groping dead bodies how is all that like and you realize you. That was being unique. When you're going up yeah. I just thought everybody had you know said bodies that they're out how the world works. I yeah i mean. I didn't realize it you know for a while. Probably till i was seven or eight. You know when you start to become a little more cognitively aware of what's going on but yeah my. My dad was the medical examiner for three counties in michigan and the office was in our home so literally. Everything came home And people came to the office. So you'd have you know police detectives or morticians or family members from from victims needing paperwork and it was It was just like any sort of medical examiner's office except it was in our house. Yeah the of course autopsies. He did at the hospital. There was a morgue that he actually had to actually kinda struggled to get that setup and the ladies auxiliary cause. The hospital had a ladies exhilarating. That would raise money for things at the hospital needed and one year they raised money for coolers for the morgue out. My dad sat up jeff crazy. So that's how it's really done in small plane so ladies are like you know making baked goods to to buy a cooler for the dead bodies. So so yeah that was i. Don't know yeah. I just i know when i was a teenager. It was kind of i felt. It was like really weird and embarrassing before. Csi made it really cool and you were you interested in reading mysteries and thrillers. When you're growing up did that come later. Or have you always been interested in the genera- you know yes like i kind of read everything so i. It wasn't like. I don't remember being drawn to one particular type of literature or anything. But i remember reading mysteries. Not in like abundance but I remember liking. And it's funny like i. I just kind of like my tagline. I just always gravitated toward stories. That maybe How do you say kind of got into the underbelly underbelly of humanity whether that was mystery or whatever and then but there was hope like he didn't just leave you there they you got in there to see like the inner workings of of kind of the darkness of humanity. But then you were lifted out at some. somehow. I don't know that's that's always interested me sort of exploring. Why are we evil. Why do we suffer. What because there is so much craziness in the world and suffering and i think anybody struggles with that at some point you know so. That's kinda what. I gravitated toward. Yes i was familiar with the shed insiders case. So what is being prepared for the for this interview and you book a hole in the woods. We'll get into that is based on that case in inside google that and holy land. That's terrifying what happened to that. Poorer of the poor girl How did you hit your radar. And when did you start thinking that maybe you could write a novel based on that. Yeah so i So shannon and i are while she were alive would be the same age so i didn't really know her even though i grew up in a very small community i didn't run in the same circles. Didn't go to the same high schools but then what but you know people involved and when she was killed of course my father was called in to do the autopsy and to examine so i know he went out to the scene and was involved in the case for many many years and spent many years trying to figure out. There were certain tool marks on her body that were left and it was very unusual. So i know he spent a long time trying to figure that out. So i don't have just been with this case from the very beginning and as a young girl young woman you know she was eighteen. I was eighteen when something like that. Happens to appear of yours in the small community which you've grown up thinking is safe. It really shakes you and it shakes the community so again. That's kind of one of these stories of like how does darkness touch community. And what is the community. Do and than twenty five years later. This cold case team comes in and they're able to dig in and uncover things and start talking to people and actually get down to the bottom of what happened in eventually making arrested with this case through trial and now two killers are in prison for the rest of their life. So it's got a it's got a hopeful ending to it which not all of them do. and so. that's really when. I always thought it would make an interesting story just because there were so many not just about the brutal death of this girl. It's about how it touched the community in how it ripples through the community for years in how it my sister says it kind of put a dark cloud over our community in certain ways. And it's more about that in the secrets that were kept and howled and why Which that's what i find fascinating so when the trial so what. I what. It was kind of like okay. There's but there's i need like stories. Need resolution right like we watch mystery stories we we re read them because we get a resolution. We get justice in this. One didn't have justice for a long time but then when when they finally took the trial was able to sit through the whole trial for three weeks and then my writer brain started going. And i was like. Oh my gosh. this is amazing. Like there's a resolution to this. There's a really hopeful beautiful resolution to this now. I have a story that the challenge to when you're writing a fictionalized. The story on real events Was that did you find that challenging. When he actually started prepping for it or did you just hit you. You're ready to go. No was challenging because there are so many puzzle pieces to this story. And you can't put everything in you know so you do have to kind of cherry. Pick 'cause you know when you're creating a story you has to make sense logically. Real life doesn't make sense. Male life is a mystery everyday case in point. We're at election day. This is a big mystery day. But i'm and we'll probably never understand today this years. From now we'll be unraveling host gordon up right now. So yes where. Where are you in san francisco. Oh got yeah in l. a. too. It's all getting bored us exactly. But what what so you when you create a story you get to have those logical points. So i had to figure out what we're the logical points of of her story. Which again. I totally fictionalized the the logical points of the actual case. But then you want. The actual story was Resolved an and discovered and delved into by five cold case. Detectives worked on it for two years straight while. That's amazing great resources to have an case. But when you're writing in store you don't get to have five protagonists. So i had to figure figure out to okay. The protagonist tour we following through this case so that was some of a challenge to figure out. What does she know who is she. Why this. why is this case. Important to her and so the book is a hole in the woods and it's out now so now listeners go go go pick it up. Go pick up copy up so with that story about i know. It's based on shannon's Case bill that gets us about the woods. Yeah sure quickly. I'll say it is told in multiple points of view. I like russia iran so it it but the main point of view is our cold case. Detective riley saint james and she's up early thirties. Really snappy young woman. Who's been working and living in detroit. Her whole life and she gets assigned to this case which is in northern michigan. And so she. She is pulled out of her big city. Beat cop kind of life into this small town which she she never lived in town. So she's this real fish out of water and she has to uncover all of these Secrets and figure out. It's not so much a who done it. It's not structured that way. Because you you figure out you learn pretty much in the first couple chapters who did it. It's not a big surprise. get it. it's more that they are a threat in the community and now she has to figure out what how going to actually prove that they did it without getting myself killed in the process. I love the says. there's a crime thrillers. My favorite john read And so as fascinated to to find out that you worked this cold case foundation when you were releasing your book. And if he's telling me tell us a little bit about that and how that came about. Yeah so how came about is. I've been wanting for years to partner with nonprofit organization moves working somehow in law enforcement or or justice and Because i i think it's great that we write these fictional characters and all that but the real heroes are the people who are actually working in the field and so i knew that eventually slow on to find an organization i could support financially or how however i knew for sure i wanted to know support them financially as as a philanthropist. But i didn't know. I just want to know how that would would spring about so. I actually found them very randomly. And i started to research some like. Wow these these people are exactly like have my heart for what they're doing and it's so what i'm doing for them. Now is basically the woods. The the novel. I'm giving a portion of the sales of that book a donation to their organization in perpetuity. As long as the book is out there and making money so so a novel with a with a cause and then soon there they are as i started to partner with them they have a real heart for. Will they help people who have been victimized by crime and the cases have gone cold so you as a as a family member or as a law enforcement you can go to them and say this is my case. We haven't been able to solve it. Can i get some other is on it. And they have a huge team of professionals. Who will if they take on your case. They can bring that case to the professionals that those professionals will start to work on that case to offer another set of eyes or any resources that they can to help give it to solve it honestly so and it's all free. It's their nonprofit. In all of their services are free to law enforcement because there's such a lack of funding for for supporting cold cases and so that is really cool. I love that the second thing that they are starting to develop which i will be more a part of is they do a lot of victimization training which is basically how training people of all walks of life young middle old any profession. How do not become a victim of a violent crime. What to look for what to be aware of just bears They have a very interesting way that they look victimization and so we can start to look at ourselves that way and an awareness of more awareness of our surroundings and they have a lot more to it than. i'll go into here but they they. They're really their goal is to start training communities in victim prevention so. I'm going to be helping them do that. Yes a fantastic organization and you know from i like to watch the true crime shows and like the read. The fiction books and and the unit realize how. Many cases are unsolved. Actually dhaka's looked into the head. That's a lot of unsolved cases of their cases. Yeah so now of is was holding the woods. At first booker you've published other books yes I published books published a nonfiction book called forensic speak which is a guide for writers. Also make great coffee table book. Just if you're like a csi fan. It's basically the forensic science academy in a book. and then i have another series called the corner. The corner and secret remains those of the first student in in the book. It's the coroner's daughter. Serious those are more like traditional mystery novels so and going to be expanding that serious cool. Yeah it was silent website and you do a lot of speaking training for writers and there's a lot of writers that listen to this podcast. A chef go. Check your stuff more courses out there and stuff. How do you get into that field in the enjoy. Enjoy that come about young. I love it. We'll see okay before. I actually started really taking my writing seriously. I was a teacher and taught i. Gosh i taught middle school. I taught high school. I've taught college is still teach college here. And there i'll pick up a course here and there and teach so he. I've always been a teacher. And i don't know what when i when i wrote this forensic speak book than people just started kind of asking like hey can can you t just about. How do we make our forensics more authentic in our in our in our the way that we right. i don't know just kind of was a natural progression. I yeah that's great because especially nowadays you've readers. Sometimes they know so much so upset if you get things wrong so it's good to have people. There's others out there who help out riders out to try to get a little bit more realistic in our in our right right right exactly. And then there's some things that like because they've been like we've seen him on tv so many times we think they're true really. Not drill actually doesn't happen you've been trained to think it does with they call it the csi effect even like in core cases. There's like the go well. Why don't you do this man. Like this is exactly doesn't quite work that way. And what was your writing process like when you get an idea and you start deal you plant them out alive or you start to write them with your writing process like yeah i am strong plotter and that's because when i started writing i actually trained in screenwriting so i started i trained in screenwriting. Starting in two thousand two and screenwriting is very structure heavy. Because it's i almost it's almost like poetry you have to be so structured but within that form there's so much Freedom as well. So i love being very structured. I like really needs to know where i'm going. I spend a lotta time. Mapping things out and then once i have it all mapped out. It's almost like i can just relax like oh good. I know where i'm going. And then i just sit down and then i write and of course things change in morphine in move around. But i like to know where i'm going. Especially when you're writing mystery because or thriller because you you have to have those logical points that get you. Will this happen in there for that clue happened in. That clue led to that and that you do both at the same time. You're writing for screen screenplays or and then the books at the same time would like to tackle the different projects of time. Where you know i always have about four four or five projects. Spinning some are screenplays in summer novels. And just watch the video on youtube Behi behind the scenes or behind the curtains of alba screenwriting though until they had the writing room guys of of breaking bad and like you said it was an how everything is just like the whole thing can cards. And oh man. That's cool because especially when you're writing tv you know. You're mapping out what tanner probably ten episodes. And so it's all like each board is an episode. And you have to really know where you're going because when what you're doing an episode to might affect episode eight and you go back and reshoot that next production doesn't doesn't frowns upon that so and so. Have you ever say you wrote the true crime book to you. The enjoy writing about Non fiction or have you ever thought about writing true crime stories because of your background. I love true crime. And i love actually spoiler or big announcement or whatever. I'm actually working on a project right now. that's true. Crime and is non-fiction. It's a book that We're getting ready to pitch based on a very famous serial killer. Say oh cool yeah. I'm guilty of being fascinated with the old days. When before the internet access checkbooks have in the library and in remember. My girlfriend at the time was very worried. But she's my wife now so she did figure out too bad. I guess start with stuck with u books sticking out from the library but just a fascinating Like you say it's the how can a human do that to other human stuff mind boggling. It's boggling. And i think that's why we're fascinated because those of us who aren't psychopaths or how does that mind work. And so. I was like to ask. I guess to them on the writing tools to use like word or use a different software program to write a book needed to the screenplays. Or what are your tool. Okay so i use a plain old fashioned notebook. I'm just like i coming up with ideas and kind of plotting structure. But yeah then i just use word and then For screenwriting when. I'm finally ready to go to script. I go to final draft simple. Yes pretty sinful. And i'm not really a note card person i tried and i don't know it got too much sink and so i was gonna do now. Has the pandemic change your your writing process at all i'm imagine has change. Everyone's lives much. This year i would say ninety. Eight percent of it is the same. The two percent of it is is so miss going to coffee shops writing. I miss it. I miss just going out or just going to a coffee shop. I'm that classic. I want writer in a coffee shop. I there's certain yeah can be very conducive to writing. I've really missed that. But otherwise my my routine is pretty much the same. I was always writing from home. So like i'm like welcome to my world. Everybody like my wife now has to work from home. You know i've been doing. We've been waiting for a long time exactly. I know my husband's working from home shoe. And he's like this is kinda weird like i. don't see a people unlike. yeah. I know it's great to become an interview for those senior extrovert types there. It's a struggle for birds. Yeah it'd be curious result over like if there was any way to possibly study like how many extroverts got covert versus. How many introverts like did they actually push the women and go out more like. That's not cool. Nineteen twenty twenty one happen. I can So what are you working on. Next is a hole in the woods. Is it a standalone. I a lot of places in the air. Yeah yeah no it is. I've always kind of pictured it as a standalone So more on the corner series going to keep working on the corners daughter series and then this is true crime. I'm working on a short story for an anthology which is called murdering music Based off of one of the eagles albums so they picked by nine of us authors. Doing one of those They're all like mystery. Mystery authors so Yeah there's a lot of other stuff spinning and we'll just see where it goes. You know just pitching and developing and see where it lands base for sprang riders. Listen to this podcast. Close it out with that question. I'm sure they heard million times but honestly like you really just have to do it. I mean you just have to sit down and do it if you wanna rice. I hear so many times. People's own right the stricter. I had this idea for this booker. This screenplay whatever in The simplest advice but probably the hardest advice and just sit down and do it. Carve out time in your day your week. Whatever that looks like for you and commit to it and maybe just start with like amongst commitment or a three month. Commitment whatever's comfortable for you but that's the only way it happens I ran from my calling for a good twelve years. Like i knew i was supposed to be a writer. I knew i was supposed to be doing this. And i just found ways to other found excuses not ways but found excuses to do other things and other pushed it aside for twelve years and no one. I sat down like okay. I have to do like you're gonna die someday jennifer star. You're gonna do this or not like are you going to be at your death bed saying i wish i would've or you're going to give it a shot and i'm like well i'm going to give it a shot and then at that moment well how you going to give it a shot okay. Well i have to rearrange my schedule a little. I have to do this to fit it in. So i'm gonna try it. I'm going to try it for a year and that's how it all happened. A year became eighteen years. That's i mean it's simple advice but people are looking for the magic pill and it's he's to sit down and do it. There's no magic. It's hard money as i don't wanna do it. And so what's the best place for listeners. To find him soon as at your website. That's perfect yep. The jennifer dornbush dot com a checked website. I highly recommend that you have a lot of great information for writers to so. If you're right as listen listening go check that out do classes and everything so hopefully hopefully turning twenty one but let's get back to normal a little bit overly. Yeah me too. I did some online. This year will see what happens next year. So we'll thanks. Jennifer in a hole in the wizards out. Now thank you. So much. For being on the podcast. Thank you readers and writers. Thanks allen by thanks for listening to meet the author podcast be sure to visit through authors dot com to join the conversation access to show notes and discover great thrilling. Read if he'd rather podcast. I love to pre to subscribe. Ray give review to it wherever it is that. You're listening to this podcast items Apple podcasts google podcasts. Stitcher tune in spotify. However it is that you're listening to this right now. I would appreciate it and please check out my own thriller novels over at my website at alan peterson. Dot com style.

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Elden Ring, Dead Space Previews Are Promising - Podcast Beyond Episode 716

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Elden Ring, Dead Space Previews Are Promising - Podcast Beyond Episode 716

"Hello everyone my name. Is jonathan dornbush. This is podcast beyond ideas weekly playstation show and weekly. Return of the jedi spoiler cast. Of course we're diving deep into the show that we were all talking about research this episode of during this week by brian altana. I still don't know why. The rancor keeper pride like that but it's one of the most heartbreaking moments in the whole film bergen spend a roughly about twenty minutes later on that. So i wanna joint. We're joined this week by mitchell. Saltzman everyone angel and also joining us. This again taylor lyles teller. Thank you so much for joining us as well. Thank you for having me door and tell her especially. Thank you little peek behind the curtain lucy. O'brien was going to be on this week's episode But there's massive construction happening at her apartment building so last minute. She had to duck out and taylor gracefully jumped in at the last moment. So thank you for hopping until last minute. I appreciate it. We are no problem. I guess you could say. I'm the real mvp today that's that. Please read. put that as tellers lumber third for before we go on just briefly. Say thank you to everyone who tuned in for our games come episode we recorded it before it aired but it was live during a whole games. Come show thank you to everyone who tuned in for the entirety of the games com coverage that show is obviously a huge undertaking for the entire aegean staff and a ton of work went into it across the board. So thank you. Everyone who tuned in for that as well and i also wanted to just say thank you to everyone for the podcast beyond fans who have been talking to twitter on twitter recently for the last couple of days. Just thank you everyone. There's been a lot of kind support for the show. Just wanted to say thank you because you all are wonderful and we love making the show for you Before we get into the topics for this week which are gonna include a playstation plus games. Some more elden ring. Out of follow up on mitchell's handoff preview. And if you ever things. I did briefly also want to put out a call for more memory. Heart stories have a few left in the that who used to go back through and make sure i didn't miss a please continue to send some more in and preferably keep them a little bit shorter I i read every story that we get. Some of them are amazing but some of them have been like college essay level length. And we just probably can't read that long on the show. I can. I appreciate so much people sharing that we're just for the sake of brevity and time if you can send something a little shorter basically if you've gone past the double spaced age onto far on the long one and then also have the t. l. Dr version at the bottom under. Yeah like if you if you want to share that story with us. We're grateful to that really really appreciate the candor and honesty that everyone shared with these just in terms of sharing them on the show. We want to make sure we can you know crystallize them in and get them out there for the audience. So appreciate if you're willing and able to do that but other than that i think that's all the housekeeping for the beginning of the show. Let's jump in before we get to the return of the a discussion of course Let's in briefly. Wanted to mention This month station. Plus games were announced The day according this they include overcooked. All you can eat which for. ps five. That is the overcooked bundles. So it includes overcooked one and two and a few other of the pack and things like that and then for ps four and that of course He has five backward. Compatibility is hitman to and predator hunting. I'm so this is a pretty heavily third party obviously month for it. I think if you've missed out on any of those games it's a pretty wide selection and so hopefully. There's something that appeals to you. It's definitely sort of an odd mish. Mash of things Brian i'll just thirty quickly. What would you feel about the this month's games I'm i'm into it actually. I mean i personally have all of them. So it's kind of a bummer. For me but if you have been on the fence about getting any of these. This is a great opportunity. Just been a overcooked. We everybody has said enough about this game. But it's worth saying more time that if you are looking for a really fun coop couch game to play with a potentially somebody who doesn't play a lot of video games or you're trying to like a friend a roommate your partner or something like that to get into video games this is. This is a great one and it. Maybe we'll make them never wanna play video games again to she'll be fighting over you know. Burn food or whatever great More hitman awesome. Hitman is one of the best games this year. So i hit into an predator. Hunting grounds is a like a a really really interesting really fun. Sort of asymmetric multiplayer. Game that i really good time with. And they're continuing to add new skins and deal see to it all the time so Made by ill phonic. They've been doing costa recently so yet donald games. Check them out even if you don't get to him immediately just huma put him in your library so you have them forever. Yeah it's it's a good Sorta jumble of things and yet has as brian said. I think we've talked about overcook. Plenty on the show but just for reference all you can eat is a ps five version so it has improved frame rate. And that's definitely been one of the things sometimes those games when you have four people going. It's as crazy and complex. The game gets it can run a little bit slowly. This kind of improves all of that. And like i said it has all of the content from that series so definitely go check that out and have predator started a little bit rocky but as he said they've been supporting it since launch ilana has been doing a really great job of that They just released arcada an earlier this year as well. So they've got. They've got their hands busy with multiplayer yet. Cool to see those. And i'll just say that it meant to is my favorite of the hitman trilogy so like if you have not played hitman. Please get on that train because you're missing out and like i've seen a bunch of people like this year. Who jumped on with hitman. Free him in three. And i've said that. Like i know pass on this game for the longest time and i went back and played off all three of them. So men what a what a game. It is that the one with the race track race trash. That's why jaber levels owned by right that mission. Good taylor. I don't know about your you. A fan of any of these games are your interest and check them out. If you're not actually interested in playing hitman to are is it the game that also that like meringue looking suitcase hands throw the boomerang with their own jetski. When i saw that i it was on twitter. I saw that on the scapegoat tree. Replaces puzzles wow. This is even more of an incentive for me to play the game. Yeah it's definitely a good one to jump into others no commentary on the playstation blog at this point so i don't know if it's true but i know that in hitman three you can import the levels for one to i know there's been some weird stuff where games or available for playstation plus but didn't like always give benefits like that so double check if it does let you import after you. Download it and play everything in hitman. Three it hitman three amazing and i keep forgetting that came out but yeah we have a lot of other stuff to to discuss for this month. Those come out next week. I believe tuesday tuesday. September seventh will be available to monday. October fourth So let's jump into some other topics as of course if you listen to last week's episode Or watch it live. You'll know that mitchell gracefully jumped in the midst of preparing all of his preview content for elden ring to speak to ryan. Max a little bit about The hands-off view that he had of elden ring. And i thought we could take this as an opportunity to now. It's been a few more days you've had a little bit more time to think about it and also You know people have had time to see the the breath of your coverage. Get some questions from the audience. But before we jump into it mitchell and i apologize that you're gonna have to talk quite a bit naxi minutes but i did just want to say. Is there anything that a few days removed like. What really sticks out to you. Like what you saw or people's reactions to you know descriptions of what people have seen. What sort of in like sticking your mind about it The one thing that. I've i've learned that surprise surprise. The ring community is very hungry for new gameplay and i hate to disappoint anyone there still will not be any new game play shown in this. This podcast You know it's always a bummer. When when you get to see something really cool and you're not able to actually show what you saw. I wish i wish i was able to. You know just project from my mind into all your mind. Everything that i was able to take a look at But yeah i mean. That's that's the big thing. The bummer of not being able to to show people what the fifteen minutes that you know the the select few of of media people got to see. Yeah you know. I still stand by everything that i wrote. In the preview. I thought looked amazing. Um i cannot wait to play it. And i think ellen ring is doing a lot of things very interesting in the soul space that i think people are gonna be into and i do hope we get that cerebral asked technology one day to see what's going on in your brain but yes speaking of that. I guess a few questions is sort of talk about l. During in context of other souls games. And i do want to get to that. But i also want to. Of course get as he said. Don't expect to see new gameplay here Of any higher obviously just still going off of mitchell's impressions didn't give any sort of public announcement on when there will be new things shown correct kazaa. Few people don't ask about no reminds me of was it cyberpunk a few years ago there was like a big e thing And a bunch of people press people got to see them weren't allowed to basically league at a reveal show and we decided to do a lot of very old school. You know magazine style coverage where for screen shots and then a lot of words. But yet i mean don't shoot the messenger on this. I saw a lot of comments. Being how come. There's no new gameplay and it's you know mitchell had to play by the rules and i'm glad that you got to see it and write about it and talk about it because that's as good as we'll get for awhile. Yeah and luckily you know. We're less than half a year away from the release date so it's it's not too far off but to jump into some of these questions I one from phil. I want to bring up was. I'm from what you saw in talks a little bit about sort of the the map integration for this game which is unique for altering compared to other souls games like did you get a sense of how big the map is how big the world was in general based on what you saw especially like is any sort of breath of comparison to other open world games that you can pull from. Yes so when they brought up the map a they kind of panned a little bit too like left so the first area is. Is that the first area that showed was that earth's open area that you've seen trailers It's the one with like the tree in the background. Then they pant to the left and it ended up being. I think it's right. After the first lacey dungeon and it was like a huge open valley with a forest in the middle and then there was all kinds of stuff. You know to the to the right of that so you know. I think in comparison to other open worlds. It's probably not gonna be as big as the witcher it's not gonna be as big as no assassin's creed odyssey. But it's it's one of those things where it's going to be very dense map I think the biggest the biggest clue to how big this world is gonna be is that they've set up there's going to be six actual areas And each of those areas is going to have its own legacy dungeons so just imagine like i wanna say. Imagine like oblige town a big area before blake town. And then y'all bunch of dungeons all interspersed in like in that area and that's one section and then there's six of those. So that's that's kind of how. I've been in reconciling the size of elden rigs map in my own head And that's it was of it. It's the map. Seems big. i'll just say the Absence very big went on the same level as necesary aussie or or three. That answers the question. I'm very okay with that personally. Because i feel like they're at least for a while. There was sort of like an arms race to see who could make the biggest open world game. I think there's value to that in some in some ways. But i also think that like i'd rather have something that's a little more sort of like constrained in bespoke interesting than sprawling endless. I actually personally get overwhelmed with like when open world games get too big and there isn't like a ton to do there. I appreciate sort of minimalism of some of them. But like at some point i just go like i'm never gonna see all this. You know this is a game where i probably will explore every corner because one of my favorite things to do in games like this is to tread into an area where you're like. Ooh am i supposed to be here yet. Oh no i'm not. These things are ready to murder. Me like yeah. That's that discovery and immediate followed by immediate. Humility is is one of my favorite cycles of the souls born genre. Yeah and i think you'll get that nelson ring for sure like there are definitely areas that i looked out on the map. I'm like oh man. If like it seems like going left is the way you want to go and going right. It's just like a recipe for destruct. For so i think it is that kind of thing where like dark souls. One is no real guidance. On where you on where you go but you get beaten. Path tried to go to the graveyard and go down to the giants straight away. You're going to get the heck denied you buy skeletons and then you're just gonna wander into a dark area that you're not going to be able to see where you're going. I started reporting that game a couple of weeks ago right. Exactly what you're talking about. And i was like i'm just gonna run full speed down this everyone's like i. Well i envisioned elden ring being very similar along those lines awesome. Yeah i. I'm very much the same way. I would always prefer a smaller. But more as brian. The spoken and dense world than they're as there's value in expansion and seeing what you can do with wider spaces. But yeah something like this. I'm cool with it being smaller but having a ton to do in those spaces speaking of sort of talking about the space of it as well. A time lender asked in the end. This may be something that's hard to see from from what you watched. But was there any dynamic weather or like. I'm just curious. What is it like being in the world because it we are seeing different times of day. There are hints at some different like weather patterns. But was that changing as you entered to does he. More like location. Specific there was not dynamic weather. I'm pretty sure the the conditions of the weather are very dependent on what area. You're in what. I am urine so like that like. I said that. I open area. Has you know very yellowish sky. And then The second area that we saw the one with big valley and the like forced in the middle It was much more overcast and kind of like a bluish cloudy sky and then right here is the first Legacy dungeon if you're watching on video and that's also in the first area and it gets a little more little more cloudy as getting further into that. Yose that second area with the bali So yeah. I think that the areas are are very dependent or the weather is very dependent on what area you're in moving from their damon asked Seem like elvin rings jumped mechanic made an impact in combat. I in combat jumping his vital whereas obviously in the game. You're more grounded literally. So did it feel like you were more anger to the ground lakers game or did it feel like jumping. Did really play an impact. The gameplay you saw. I don't think it's going to have the same impact as it doesn't sec euros comback than secular. Ou's jumping as like a one of your main defensive tools like if enemies are sweeping. You're gonna have to jump over that sweep. I haven't i haven't seen anything along those lines in ellen ring. It does seem much more like the traditional soul style of combat. But what they did say is that you have a jump attack and jump attack and and blow away guard so it's kind of like another another heavy attack. It's another attack. They have in your arsenal. And i imagined that attack is going to be very specific depending on what weapon. You're using so i think it is going to be important in that way. You're going to have this new attacking your arsenal that some enemies are probably gonna react. No maybe or two. And if you were just two regular week attack restoring attack gotcha if that makes sense. Yeah no totally. I mean honestly everything you say just telling me more about this game is like oh i just really want to play record. So it's good to hear all of this. 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Ryan said given the beautiful. Game's we've experienced this year and after seeing. What blue pointed with human souls Graphics feel underwhelming Or did they feel up to par with current games. Do you think it will be an issue at launch in any way. But what. What did your i guess. What was your general impression of it. Graphically i know from soft makes some beautiful games. you know. it's not on the same level as demon's souls because obviously deemed souls was made from the ground up or playstation five. There's no playstation four version of of You know the demon's souls remake so this this has a look that is kinda reminiscent of dark souls. Three of bloodborne if feels along the same minds equality but that said like it's still absolutely gorgeous you know the the draw distances super impressive The art design is second to none terms of this style of game and yeah. I was super impressed by. But what i saw but not not blown away in the way i would be if it was a playstation five exclusive or a game that like screens know. Current gen place can five xbox series x etcetera. I don't think i can hear you anymore. You couldn't my michael. I i obviously tell me. If michele and brian if i'm way off base and taylor i actually before we go any further. Are you a huge holes person or are you someone who hasn't played. Are you interested in all during like where do you where do you sit with. Seoul's forums. yes so. I actually do like a souls board games. I haven't played yet. But i'm really excited for elden ring. And just like echoing with. Brian said earlier too. You know i think if it was like a bass open world. I don't know how much i'd be. Invested in searching every quarter I feel with some open world games on that issue of a quantity over quality. So it's like. Oh there's all the stuff i could do but if it all feels a little bit the same what difference that make if i complete all of it. You know what i mean so. I'm actually kind of curious to see what they do with elderly ring just a teaser trailer. That we saw like the announcement. The reveal trailer. I was hyped where it reading mitchell's preview. I was like. Can i play this right now. Just a time machine and just skipped to january play. Yeah there's a lot of cool stuff coming out in these few months but yeah. I'm really itching for january. But yeah i. I feel like with seoul especially the from soft when it comes to their games like even when it isn't pushing the boundaries like on a technical level. They always seem to really have this style. That i think riots through an even something like you're saying you're just dark souls remastered like i played it a few months back for the first time. Yes it doesn't hold up to modern souls games of course on a graphical level but the art style is so interesting end so engrossing that it kind of doesn't matter isn't yeah art direction. Goes a long way in in video games. Especially i m. it's such a visual medium rate. And it's also. I think that like the from soft design. Philosophy is so rooted in Quintessential classic horror movie monsters. That i love so much right like one of my favorite genres in the world. There's a practicality to the way Their enemies and creatures are constructed. It almost feel like something you would see like vintage clive barker movie or something like that like. It's very much like you can it. You could feel like the theoretically these would be practical effects if they were to make a movie out it's right like there's tattered pieces of ragged hanging off in like weird skin bones jutting out. There's all this like really really cool stuff and so i will take a more condensed open world. It's rife with horrifying creatures and monsters awesome. Awesome things to you. Know shriek in awe at a rather than something like you not to throw assassin's creed under the bus. The recent assassins creed games have been vast massive. But it's mostly like i understand who i'm interacting with. It's it's a lot of the same people over and over again. And i'm i'm like i love going into this sort of like high fantasy corners of video games like stuff like this is where things get really really interesting. I like some of these creature. Designs are incredible. They're so cool. And i i just i can't wait to turn a corner and just go. What is that. No i i really want the jim. Henson company of the eighties like the dark crystal era to like a real life puppetry of seventy of these creatures. Yes mate mak- a puppeteer kids from soft. Tv show her from soft. Jim henson company. Obviously call us working out. Did you see there was an artist. Twitter recently retweeted him but he was he showed images of basically a muppets. And sesame street characters yet drawn in bloodborne art style. Way too well to see this. It's amazing i gotta see this find. It will lincoln after the show. It's really through just a couple other questions. Some some random internet named red eye asked who is the protagonists favourite band. This is such a good question that i actually ask utah assan while it had my qna. I'd surprisingly he said bt s. s. is the tarnishes the tarnish ribboned. That's not gonna like permission to danced final looking forward to look forward to the ring mcdonalds meal coming in your cpac where your character gets to dress as jim. And there's gonna be fantastic moving on from there last. But not least. Casey also asked again casey defer staff heard about the summons in the game. And obviously i know this is something that's been touched on. But is that something you can use whenever you want want you get it or are. They're very specific conditions. Which can summit. India's speak a little bit about what you know of someone to so from what i have heard about. Summons a summons are like a stat that you can spec your character into so if you go like big on summons you're kind of limiting the amount that you can spend like vitality endurance strength etcetera etcetera and they also said that there are like monuments that you can. You can visit to the summit at those mom monuments. So i think it is. I don't think you can summon everywhere if i like. I think i had the the actual quote prepped here And then you'll you'll keep these as infant use items that you can use it special monuments around the map especially in places where there are a lot of enemies present. So you'll be able to summon them and use them to fight alongside your prepped alongside at your preference. So yes so you'll you'll get a summit item. Basically that item will be for specific monster. And once you get it you have unlimited uses of it but it seems like you have to use it at certain spots so you can't just use it throughout the whole world but those spots are usually the places that you'd want to use them in any way if that answers the question you had mentioned last week that like gathering though summonses as sort of like you know passover aria of sorrow or something where you're repeatedly fighting grinding on enemies until they drop a thing that you can then equip yeah but not not all spirit. Summons are gain that way like I've i've found out that some of them are but others you can find in bender's others just find out in the world that's like a shiny so there's a lot of different ways you can collect use summons. I don't think it's like exactly like castle where you know you. Just you go to a bonfire. You killing enemy. You go back to the bonfire. you're killing enemy. Go back to bonfire. he'll let me. Oh i got someone can move on. Marathon like entire. Tv shows while doing that. Just running in a non fighting the same like merman over trying to get through podcast of your backed up. Yeah that's i'm really fascinated to see more of that aspect of the game. I think it's a really interesting. Twist on a thing. That is a core part of those games when it comes to like something other players but the idea that this is a more complex and within the game in alden ring and something that you can you know and build into is is a really fascinating little between. Obviously you know your discussion last week on the show in and all the questions here. Is there anything else that you want to make sure we touch on before we move on to other topics or anything. You feel like in in the elden ring hole. That you've learned that you feel like hasn't got and think just maybe like highlighting the fact that this is a world where there's just so much excitement for for exploration like one of my big takeaways from from watching. The demo was just how much i wanted to take control away and be like okay. But what if we went here from what this way. What would i find like. I mentioned the preview. Like even just during the the legacy dodging and you think of these legacy dungeons that's like self contained dungeons but as i would like looked off. In the distance there was like a lone house on a bridge. She's like man what is in that house. How do i get there. Is that tied to the legacy dungeon. Is it something i can get to. After i get through lacy dungeon so just like the feeling of of wanting to know what's beyond certain certain barriers is like the most enticing thing i think That can take away from from watching that. Elgin ring hesitation awesome. Well thank you again for answering all these questions and thank you to everyone out there. You know responded with those as curious as we are about this game and mitchell you've continued to knock it out of the park with coverage and even though we only have a few months before it comes out. I hope there will be more beats for you to continue to show off. How awesome of a knowledgeable source foreign person you. Are you talk to you about it. But yeah and as Was probably referenced because well but You can check out all of the coverage of coverage our discussion last week. I'm beyond video preview again. Not with new gameplay but going in depth on what saw and we'll definitely continue to talk about that one as we get closer but moving on to talk about a few other subjects I one we're gonna jump into From some of the recent conversations going on is a more playstation related conversation. And that's when dealing with Naughty dog and crunch and this is of course something. That's come up a lot in the last couple of years related to obviously the last of us partout and sort of broader looks at naughty dog and and other companies than the gaming industry when it comes to the discussion around crunch. This is something that continues to come. And this time. It came from an interview with Naughty dog leads. Neil druckman and evan wells in game informer. I believe it wants. I swear i just heard some croat's yeah. What was that that was that was that was me. There i warned has has you know entered into my reality. I was like we're in algebra. There isn't exclusive elden ring. Preorder bonus for they do send you three live crows house for a couple of months to help you countdown mccain. Apparently i just turned did you. Did you hit the summoned fun facts. I was reading. Apparently crows can be extremely kind and recognize people. And if you're kind to them they won't be kind to you and essentially like kind of protect so mitchell be good to those gross anyway shifting back to you know something completely related to those crows playstation going to talk a little bit about this discussion. I just want to pull out a few highlights from this. Obviously there were stories on jan and the full interview is on gaming. Former that you can read with. Evan and neil goes through a ton else than contract obviously the crunch aspects out. Sort of the the focus of discussion on one or two of the things that were discussed were both punch and unionization on the crunch side I did wanna poll a couple of specific comments. These are In response to a question naughty doug is such a proven track record. But that hasn't come without a cost over the years you've come under fire for studio crunch. Could you speak to your personal experience with orange and how that's affected studio. Evan replied. I have definitely personally worked very hard over the years. I think some of that has helped me out where i am in my career as a studio. We've all worked hard together and we are working very hard on every project to find the right allen's just like we do in all of our technical aspects of creating a game we postmortems and we look at how the animation went and we look at how the design when we dig really deep into all the things that we could That could have been better and the things we got right. We do the same thing with production. We look at how the whole game was created and where we can make improvements. And how constrict. Right allen's between giving the opportunity to as i mentioned earlier Leave their mark on the industry and advanced or craft in ways that have never been achieved also find space along that spectrum and the neal said we have so many talented people that are good at solving problems whether the creative technical let me go back to the last of us per to some pillars that were important to us where diversity diversity in the people we hire in the characters that we have in our game as well as accessibility in. How do we make our games accessible. Likewise we are looking at quality of life for preventing burnout complain the brain power. We have in our studio and we started coming out with working groups to talk areas in the studio where we can improve. We worked a particular way when we were forty people. Now we have to evolve as we keep out an and there's a little bit more as they go on. Neil says everyone has a different definition of what crunch means. I guess for us. We think of it. As how do we look out for the well being of our colleagues and everyone that works at naughty dog which is some combination of how many hours you work and how much stress. You're feeling whether that's something. That's going on the officer home. We find that there is no one solution that fits everybody. Everybody has a unique situation. We might need and brian with you because obviously we. We've talked a lot in the past about obviously not dogs games and the crunch sort of discussion around it. They're clearly not denying that crunches happened at the studio and but obviously talking about some of the. It's this weird comics conversation. Where i think they're talking about some of the benefits of how hard their team has worked in the things they've produced like the accessibility advancements that have happened over the last month and things like that but at the same time the reality of is causing burnout. Within the studio isn't this caused like advancement shouldn't come at ee disregard for for employees Livelihood i feel like is is an important thing that they seem to be talking around here but i feel like as a key component of of a way to solve crunch. We'll talk when you talking around the exact that i think you know that right there. That's i won't call it a non answer but it does feel like they are kind of beating around the bush here. The thing with a lot of of this is like people historically called crunch culture and that doesn't necessarily mean that there is a specific demand from the higher up in the company Forcing people to be reprimanded if they don't stay pass a certain hour but there is that sort of like you don't want to be the first person to walk out of the room when everybody's working late and everybody listening to this show has worked a job Where they had to get there early or they've had to leave league and many of you have probably found that in those margins outside of what you are sort of a specifically hired to work in your your hours You might find goal like might actually find some wonderful solutions to things like there is a bizarre creativity that comes in those weird pockets of delirium. That happened. I've i've been privy to that you know i've just we just almost wrapped events season. There are a lot of early mornings a lot of late nights and weekends and stuff like that. And i'm not gonna pretend like my job is any harder than anybody listening because you know i'm not a Building construction sites and breaking rocks and stuff like that working in a mine. But i do think that there is over the last few years a conversation. That's happened a lot. In the video game ministry where a lot of the negative traits that were normalized for very very long are starting to come to light and a lot of people are realizing. Hey it is possible to make games without this and or maybe without it being one hundred percent thing But maybe pulling back a lot right when when this generation or last generation started rise. Rome was one of those flagship launched games. And the studio behind. It famously. tweeted out Bragging about how many pizzas. They ordered further staff to work late at night Crunching on that game. And that was one of the first times i remember watching a bunch of devs on twitter and a bunch of fans as well sort of reacting. Go way. don't don't make this like a normal thing like there's you know. Obviously you guys hit a deadline you you had a deadline that was supposed to be a big flagship launch game for the xbox time and This came at the expense of your employees and reading stories about the the personal ramifications of the stuff in even with the blizzard stories. That just came out recently. There are people there you know. Their relationships failed their. You know they got divorced and get to see their friends and their family or their kids or anything like that. I don't think that personally The the selfish benefit of of of my satisfaction and playing video game by x. Date is worth the personal unhealth ramifications of those sacrifices and so. I'm glad it's something it's going to continue to be talked about. I hope that because it was a fire under naughty dog's asked last time around. It seems given this interview that there will continue to be that for their next game or whatever they're working on next. There's less of a pressure on their staff to do that. And so i'm glad these conversations are happening again. everyone listening. You probably have a hard job. You've had to do this. I think those situations should be rectified as well. You know this is not just the you're listening to a video game podcast. It's talking about video game problem but this is a problem at many many jobs. And i think that having the conversation here you know. The rising tide raises all boats. And i think that sort of openly discussing crunch culture and overworking employees and underpaying them is a big part of like the human experience right now and it's important talk about that and i hope that naughty dog sees that it continued to see the backlash on this and they make the lives for their employees a healthier and safer and better. Because i'm glad to wait our long. It takes for whatever they make next. Because i know it'd be great. Yeah i obviously. I think it's safe to say it but it is always of course for saying here that like in no way. Do we want to support crunch in a way that says it is okay for people to you know. Continue to have to suffer to make a game. As as brian said like we are always willing to wait longer for a game to come out. If it means people have a better work life balance. And i i think the you kind of hit the nail on the head in terms of like why think. This interview struck a chord with a lot of people in in a frustrating way because of the talking round of things in terms of like it is a it is a systemic problem that goes far beyond naughty dog in like in the wider industry in in just our wider lives and culture. But it's this idea that. Oh maybe they're not telling us. We have to work eighty hour weeks. But i see this other person on my team working in eighty hour week and they're doing a lot of great work so maybe i need to do that too. And it's about the company's finding solutions to help solve that and obviously art of that. That often comes up is a thing about unionization. And i think this is a thing that people really were frustrated by it. I i think quite understandably was a little right after that the interview. Ask one of the things that the industry is talked about as a possible solution genius. Ation you dawson unionization and ever replied. I haven't put a lot of thought into that. I don't know if that would be a solution for crunch. I think they just shouldn't have said. I don't think a lot about that. Because i think it's impossible to not be the head of a company in an industry that talks about unionization lot and not have thought about what it would mean for your employees to unionize. Good or bad from your perspective like that just has to be a thing. That is on their mind as well. It's not really bad. Yeah i agree and it's also this these are not. This is not an indie studio making like a point. Platforming game this is. This is a studio that is making aaa You know deliberately. Cinematic stuff that i would say is at its best at off there with top tier hollywood movie productions. They're working with actors. Who are you know. An mokaba actors voice actors. You know one of the same these days. Many of which are unionized It's not like they are completely separated from this like in the movie industry there are. You don't necessarily have the same exact thing where a game raps and everyone gets fired or movie wraps never gets fired. Those teams will move from production to production the the the the production teams that we specifically partner with during events. He isn't it. i Are are people that are working deliberate hours. They get delivered. Lunch breaks and stuff like that. Like that is very organized. That's that's a big part of hollywood. And so if you're going to be like oh our games are the movie experience and even getting you know. Hbo adaptations google. What a unionist. Look it up. Yeah i think quite understandably that that answer really bothered a lot of people myself included because it's something that just has to have been on your mind and if it isn't that is of a very worrying concern. I do think in terms of the the broader point. And it's one of those things where it's like i don't i am not saying what they're saying is a justification for allowing crunch to continue. But i think the idea that there could be a multifaceted response to crunch is a is a reasonable thought to have and i do think it's worth pointing out that a developer from naughty dog Anthony vaccaro environment sort of responded to this a little bit on twitter. People talking about this interview and said The effort put in by leadership and employees over the last year plus find multiple solutions were conscience studio. Culture is dramatic ending the balance of letting devs push for things. They are passionate about one not causing themselves or others is difficult and takes time. The one size approaches always failed in leads. Recognize that to the whole team is working hard for multiple solutions instead of leadership. Just telling the studio y will be the solution. They have engaging the entire studio to speak up participate in finding ways to back from various different angles. And what's important each employee nor work-life allen's change doesn't happen instantly and takes a lot of hard work from all members of the team which thankfully we have you and they were responding someone else but i think that is a very valid point to be made that like in a creative pursuit like this. You have to allow for people who do want to engage with their work for. Perhaps as you were saying. Brian like during games. Calmer during events season we will work nights and weekends to be able to get this stuff delivered. Then we take the appropriate amount of time off afterward to make something like that happened in that. That's not always the case everywhere. But like that's something that we were fortunate to be able to engage in but like finding solutions for things like that across different teams and ideas that can apply but so can unionization. And so. I'm making and something like unionization at its base level will ensure protections and safeties. So that hashing doesn't turn into Abusing that passion to get work done at a at a demonstrably in a way that demonstrably hurts the employees. Which i think is why people pushing Totally agree one last thing. I want to say before. I feel like i'm hung on air here but the the the thing that i think a lot of people are forgetting is that These games aren't made an vacuum anymore. these massive aaa games are made by giant studios that are also connected with international like basically development houses third-party outlets that are doing things like animation and texture gathering and you know asset all that kind of stuff and so even if you can fix the problem internally at a studio like naughty dog they could potentially be outsourcing from a studio in a an international company that does have a culture of crunch and so that's something that has to be sort of rectified. As well these are not just games at. It's it's not just twenty people in a room working on a game anymore right like if you look at the assassins creed games. They were made by massive massive studios rockstar games massive studios people companies all over the world a pocket studios all over the world are helping in conjunction to make this stuff and sometimes they are reaching out to third parties And small independent places that are basically just gathering assets or creating textures and those people are working nights and weekends and we don't really hear about those stories as much so i. I'm hoping again that all of this starts to come to light and we do find a solution for everybody. Michelle taylor. I don't mean to hug the discussion. I gotta stop doing that. Every time i take a drink. I just don't want you to hear my weird mouth. Mona's i obviously you know. Brian and i have been covering this a lot on the show. You know throughout the years. Until i don't want to prevent either of you from from jumping at about spa. It's it's something that i hope. We hear about the solutions as well. Obviously you know a lot of the crunch stories. Come out from reports in people speaking up anonymously for for fear of retribution. Things like that. But i do genuinely hope. We hear about these solutions. That may be being worked on and whether they work whether they don't enter of the processes that get put in place. If those things are being worked on. Because i do think i like one hundred percent believe unionization is very important and if developers can look for that that is massively important. But i also want to know okay. They are working on this. I would love to hear the results of this and as the developer. The environmental artist. Anthony said these things take time and so. I'm not expecting them to you. Know come up with a solution overnight. But as naughty dog into development of his ex games i would love to hear about their approach in in changing things to what they feel needs to be changed and and how it's received i think it'll be very interesting to see what happens in the production of their next game but mitchell just thirty i. I don't know if there's anything you want to add to this conversation. But yeah i mean i've been following the conversation along twitter and i see a lot of people that are responding to this article and just being like known it. Is that simple. Mandatory forty hour work weeks. Like that's what other other companies do. That's what should be done. And you know i'm not a game developer. I can't speak to to what that would be like. I could say that if there was a mandatory forty hour work we get aegean it would cause me so much stress coming down to the end of the day instead of it being like oh mansa. Almost five o'clock. I like samba. Time to go home. That becomes like i have an hour left to get my work done. And like you know when you're when you're in new home to to writing reviews. Aiding reviews sometimes. It's it's much less stressful on my mental mental health. To be like okay. I'm gonna put in another hour to so that. When i wake up the next day i can feel better about the amount of work that have to do to get this thing done rather than you know. I have to cut off at five o'clock and now next day. I have to rush and get everything done before before my deadline or have to have that uncomfortable conversation with my boss and tell them that i wasn't able to get it done in time so i don't think the solutions crunch are are super simple. I don't i agree with the sentiment coming from what was his name anthony. Mci the developer. Yeah where you know like this this. This has to be a process. They have to figure out something that works And i also agree with neil where he says that you know the definition so of cruncher. Different I am one hundred percent against the idea of crunch where you know. It's mandatory ten to twelve hour workdays for a condensed period of time to get something out. The door like that shouldn't happen. I am against the idea of people sleeping in their cubicles. Because they need to get work done can they. You know they feel like the can't go home. That is a massive problem on the production side that needs to be addressed. That said the idea of crunch being you know people who are who want to get something done or wanted to put a little extra polish something before they wrap up for the day You know. I i as someone who who also feels like that You know i. It's hard for me to get behind. You know the the solutions that would snuff that out. Yeah yeah it's excuse me. It's really complex. In that way. Especially as i think you know people across the board who have create like we have creative Buy into the things that we're making and we care about those things and so it's that balance right of making sure you are putting in. Maybe those extra hours for a day. But that shouldn't be your day every day or if you're putting that in for a particular review at you know at least on my end danner reviews editor is pretty good about telling me make sure to take a cocktail for that because you know you did a weekend day for that and and things of that nature and and there's things need to be sort of like stated hilton practices as part of a company culture as he said like when things get to that level where people feel the pressure to do that where there were there sleeping in their cubicles where they're working constantly for Demanded for six weeks at a time to work twelve hour days. That's a that's a failure on a production level in that shouldn't exist. And i just wanna to go back to what you said about dan like i want to say you know as someone who does a lot of us who does a lot of edits want out dan and destin or just being wonderful. Whenever they know that i've been working working long hours and your day they in i like mitchell you have to take time off and i'm like okay. I will take time off speaking. We'll get to just the shared number of incredible reviews. You're able to pump out in a little bit. But i before we switch anything. You wanted to mention the topic before we switch gears. Yeah i mean just just echoing with What everyone else aside. You know. I will gladly wait longer for a game. If that means that developers do not have to crunch in basically get rid of any sense of personal life they have just to make sure. I get to enjoy this game. You know the game development is not hard. I never develop game. I'm not gonna say. I have but i can see that. There's definitely a lot of work. That's put into it The times i've rate stories of like some issues like bugs and things like that. I for some reason i keep thinking about that. Sky rim blah or the be kept causing it was a virtual being an actual bug it was a virtual mean causing chaos. And i was like. I was like wow the fact that something like that happens. Those like i i just. I can't even imagine how much headache it could be. Just like the the step of just making game from start to finish. It's just it's it's crazy. It's impressive. I wish i could do it but you know when i hear stories about how games i love and hearing about people who worked on it basically having to essentially suffer to make sure that this product comes out pretty polish it makes me feel guilty and mental health and things like that and people who have to you know. Basically rind to get a game out in getting the product out on time for for further management for for shareholders. All that stuff. It's a little disheartening. Because we see that there's burn out in game development and the turnaround and the short like retention at there is forgave development. It clearly crunch is not helping in this. So if there's an opportunity where they can address the crunch at of course purchase always going to be different and things like that and i can't speak too much about about working extra hours. I'm a little guilty of that. But you know i. I liked that Management tries to hold me accountable. Make sure like hey. I know you're putting you were stayed a little longer. You should try to a little early the next day if you can't and things like that and the fact that this is still ongoing problem in game development is is loose and i wish that there is a more firm solution to fixing this because i don't know it just kinda stinks when you hear people saying how they really wanna be a game developer and then they stay less than five years because they just get burned out so quickly like that's not okay. Yeah yeah the turnaround in the burn up. That feels so prevalent in especially in stories that were hearing is obviously a result of things like that across the industry. We're not just talking about not inaugurated in in that regard and it's something that we continue to hear about novices something. We want to continue to discuss on the show. Because it's important in our minds. I think as everyone has said we. We love playing these games. We are so impressed by the incredible amount of work that goes into all of it. We never want that work to 'cause people's lives to be hurt. Because they were making a video game no one should ever have to suffer making a video game to get us a a cool weapon at a game like that. Just shouldn't be how it and so we. We hope to continue seeing this change. Obviously as we hear more about these stories at playstation studios at third parties on playstation just general the the industry will will talk about it as it comes out but Yeah as. I mentioned that as an interview Those those type from her larger interview on game informer's can go check that out for a full five air But to move on a little bit to something else that we've seen this past week. I do want to briefly touch on it because we were running a little short on time. But i didn't want to let the especially taylor now that you're you're on this week's episode. I without quickly mentioning Something interesting in terms of game development. A seeing really really early production on a aaa third party game And that's the dead space remake. Currently being made at motive as part of this was announced earlier this year and we got a livestream earlier this week of a couple of the leaves on the game. Showing extremely early looks at this. The this was stuff that was legitimately like You know wire frame test rooms where they were trying out combat where nothing else but the player and the The enemies were at all polish. Like it's it's very bare bones and some places because this is how they're testing things out how they're developing things we got a couple of shots that were elemental moods and ideas of what a hallway might be like if you're if you're watching the show I recommend checking out hugh shadow to also former podcast guest Cleef adams who was hosting co hosting that stream. I was really well done i. I loved this really really early. Look i loved. They were being so honest about this. Because i feel like when it comes to triple a game development it is always so secretive and obviously this is a preplanned stream by the dads showing specific things wanting to show it in a good light of course but i think this is a really interesting approach and i hope we see more of this not just from deaths face but in general like i really appreciate how honest this was like. You're seeing a lot of really unfinished off here. But here it is for everyone to see not just behind closed doors demonstration. Here it is for everyone to say ob- ryan briefly. Start with you it. And then tell i want to hop over to you brian. Would you think of this. Yeah i know. You know that. I'm i'm such a geek for behind the behind the scenes making of stuff Historically i'm not crazy about win games get announced with these sort of navel-gazing videos. Ea had a history of doing that for awhile of sort of being like yours. Me on my computer. And i'm making star wars game on my can. I see it known And that's not the case here right. I think this is a remake. So we we sort of understand what the skeletal frame this is going to be like a. We played it before many of us have. And if you haven't please do because it's great Be just really cool to see you know. Here's the here's them presenting problems and solutions talking about that with transparency in sort of saying this is this is a concept art. This is the mode the mood. We're going for here. This is we're gonna flat out. Say there's no micro transactions this is you know some of the ideas and some of the tests the triumphs and failures along the way. This is so so cool. And i appreciate that. They're they're bringing fans into this and really going. This is really important franchise to a lot of people. We recognize it. It's sort of lost. Its way here and there but also the the core philosophy of of dead space connected so well with so many people and we wanna talk to those people and we wanna see what we can do to make them happy. And that's that's really really awesome. So yeah perhaps it prompts. The ea for doing this. Yeah i think it's really cool look and yet ties into their broader theme of trying to bring in sort of like community councils to to help advise on making sure they get it right. I think it's a really cool thing. But yeah taylor. I wanted to thirty just like huge debt. Space fan i know what would you think of the first. Look how. how is this sort of living up to your expectations. And what you think of this kind of like early peak at what. We're hoping to say man just watching. That was a real treat. You know. I i loved the first step space. I think back of the memories of the first time. I saw the commercial before it came out i was like and you know Dead space two was great. Deadbeats three that but you know with the fact that the the series had had the full that it did that the fall from grace that it did and when i heard that they were going renamed the first game and i was. I was really cautious. Just because it definitely has the the series progress with a few games that it had definitely focused more like that action kind of thing to back the horror. the i think there was a little bit of apprehension that at least i saw online where people are like. Why are they remaking. The i gave the first game was great. It was great but at the same time to like i. I'm not sure. I think this is probably the best way for them to go with remaking the game in the fact that they're they're this like they're showing us early production development bill and just like. Hey here's what we're working on. This is what we got. So far that level of transparency. I think is very crucial. When developers are taking the mantle of a beloved franchise. it helps engage the community. It helps get community feedback much earlier in the development and not only is it beneficial to the developers but it's also beneficial to the community and just the fans of the series as a whole and just just looking at one of the comparison pictures of the first from the original to the like a develop build. I'll say yes i know. This is early. Built like the lighting. The atmosphere the detail on isaac's arbor. Just they're they're striking. Somebody good cords with me. And i'm excited to learn about this game. I'm excited to see how they handle the scale. Because i was. I was like i don't know who else could handle dead space out. Visceral is gone. Like i don't know if i'd want anybody else to touch it but this put me a little bit better. He's of mine. I want to see more. I'm hoping they show us more soon. But i think this is They're they're moving things in the right direction. And i wish that aaa developers did more of this. Especially when they're bringing back a dormant franchise that everybody's like. I don't know if. I really want to work on this or something like that. So it's obviously with something like a remake. They have a little bit more leeway showing things because the full game is known in comparison to say like if they had been doing this with the last of part two on the just it might have been weird for them to show too much but with a remake they. They have a little bit earlier but yeah. I totally agree. I i really love the precedent the sets. I hope we continue to see it with future games. Not just the da. But broadly mitchell any thoughts on on the live stream if you just you know the general. It's just such a breath of fresh air to see a you know a big publisher like ea be willing to show when in-progress look of like this really big triple a game Because usually what happens we see. We see vertical slices. We see really know really beautiful trailers. That aren't quite representative away. It's actually going to be when the game comes out. You know not not in the way of like this. This was but in the opposite direction of being like way nicer looking they actually ended up being. So it's it's just such a refreshing change that they're willing to be almost as vulnerable with with this game and show you know it's so early in development So yeah i i love i especially love what they're doing with the the damage models or like what what how enemies react when they get shot like chunks of their their arm get blown off very much right. Excuse me very much reminds me of like maternal just in terms of like the way enemies know where their damage which is exactly what you would want to see the game like that space so i think they did a job. A good job of answering. Why dead space could could use a remake because so many people were like you'll need to remake that spacex races perfect So yeah i love this. Yeah i think it was really cool. Luckily confirmation that The original voice actors reprising real for for isaac and some looks at things. Like you said the dismemberment is such a thing that synonymous dead's base and so yeah finding ways in which they're using the technology to actually upped the ante of what that means for for combat and things of that nature is is really looking at it. so yeah hats off to the motive team for doing. This is what we see. More of these dentists. Because i'm just really really interested as humans we all are in it but Yeah i get to see more of this You know i get that. It's a worrying thing because it can create sir expectations from the audience of like well. You showed this what happened. Thinks change all the time in game development. Of course that is very understandably a worry But i appreciated the way they couch this the way they framed it and what they showed off so really happy to see that and again if you wanna check out the full stream it it's out there. I definitely definitely recommended Whether or not you're huge essays. Fans just a really interesting look ultimate for erupts into. Were pretty late on time. I do want to briefly throw to i. Guess sort of a combo of slash things you've been playing slash things you might want to promote content that. You've been working on anything like that. So brian i'll start with you. I've been playing saints row. two. I went and revisited. That game after the reveal of the new saints are reboot. Because i noticed other large conversation among that audience that i guess i'd never really put together. That audience has been completely splintered and split in half for a very long time now between people who really like saints row too because it was you know semi gritty and serious at times while still being Slapstick and cartoony all over the place and saints were three which like totally veered into a kind of nonsense world and was really loved. Both i've always preferred three. The developers the reboot said they're like looking at three as the sort of boilerplate in or the template for where they want to go with the new book which obviously You know kind of frustrated some players. But i'm playing to now to sort of reconnect with that franchise have been doing that. A lot with im's when when you know wound far crisis got announced on me. Go play the old far against And i'm really enjoying it so i'm almost done with it actually and i'll probably talk more about it next week but Yeah i'm i'm just happy. They're making central game so less and mitchell one thirty you've since we last had you on not last week but before that you've been in quite a busy review period you did the ghost of suma expansion review you just put up. I believe today. Did you do sonic colors. Ultimate cycle is ultimate. Sokolow's remastered about those reviews. But yeah so. What have you been playing what. What do you want to people. Toward a i gotta be careful here. Embargoed stuff on the next war is great. I agree it's elden ring. Tell the crow to accept. Obviously sonic colours ultimate. Which you know. I i really really enjoyed I've been playing have been put. Oh you're obviously guilty. Strive i always played guiltier drive. That's just a game. Bow will probably be planning for the rest of my life. And i mean outside that you know apart from some of the embargo stuff. I be playing. You know just games with friends. I'm sorry it's a weird tales. Or i'm trying to solve the puzzle of what they could be by game. If it's a review. Mitchell might be doing it because he he does those game reviewing but anyway just wanted to point people towards your review. It was a really great Review as of course. He reviewed the original game as well so people have probably already jumped into the expansion. I know that the The standalone legends mode is available. Starting this friday for people obviously go check out the review. If you haven't end if you're a sonics fan. Go check out eastbound coltman. I've never played colors. So i'm looking forward to this one. The best marne song game. So he's you're at all curious about sonic definitely check it out. Always curious about sonic. That's how thin the internet's great for that. Flew hedgehog to run so fast. Survey the power of ben schwartz voices. What i imagined. Taylor anything you want to point people towards slash would've of you. You've been playing. They highlight well. I recently beat psycho nuts too and going to start playing. Oh yeah it's so it's so good I it was well worth the fifteen plus years that we had to wait for for for this game but also about to start Ghost of sheba director. Scott i waited to play this game. I because i was like Do i do. I wanna buy it on. Ps for the release it again on ps five. I'm glad i did that. So i'm gonna play that sued I am game for review. I cannot say what it is unfortunately way so. I'm gonna try to split times for that but obviously the reviews deprioritize for me. But i'm excited to play goes to sushi originals review for both of the expansion and the base game and i was like. Oh god i the so bad. So that's that's all my current plate right now let's trade. Nda's i'll tell you. I'll tell you if you play the backwards you actually hear every game. They've been playing but yeah tell her. I hope you enjoy ghost definitely a lot. Roughly double the time you expect to play to also include photo. You're gonna spend a lot. Yes taken and petting the animals which there's now even more iki island. It's great to just go to a bunch of monkeys and and hang out. That's wonderful actually super envious have you that you're playing but that's like one of those like i wish i could white my mind and play it from scratch You're gonna have so much fun with the game it so lawson in it. It's just such a beautiful world. It's such a it's so good. It's good we'll definitely talk about ghost more on the maybe a quarter week but we ought to talk about via checkout mitchell's piece. The both iki island review and the seller colours review and all the work mitchell's been doing recently. But yeah i played. I've been playing iki island. I i started up engine impact. Because i need to get away. Because i'm a playstation podcast hosted. I need a lawyer when she appears in another game. That aren't high at the beginning of the game. So it's still pretty much like the basic people in cobb whose names i'm forgetting but The the ice guy the fire woman with the bow the lightning librarian and my character. So yeah it's really fun. i like it. it's a very pretty world. I like just hang out in and Yeah i've lost several nights already this week to it and that's probably going to be the case for awhile but that pretty much wraps us up or this week's episode of podcast beyond Thank you ryan. Mitchell and taylor for joining me for this week's episode Thank you all for for taking the time and thank you to read our producer as for making the show happen. I and thank you to everyone out there for watching and listening and thinking everyone who sent in questions and everything for this episode as well. We hope you're safe. We hope you're well and as always yacht beyond beyond.

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GTA Trilogy Remaster Hopes, Konami Rumors, and More - Beyond Episode 720

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GTA Trilogy Remaster Hopes, Konami Rumors, and More - Beyond Episode 720

"And hello everyone. My name is jonathan dornbush and this podcast beyond ideas weekly playstation show covering all the latest in the world of playstation whether it be new releases new games the hottest new rumors and anecdotes about my dog. Because i have one of those coming up but before we get there. I'm joined this week by brian. Altana give an anecdote coming up a dog coming up. Because i need to prepare. I mean i'd love if loki would just come into the room on command at that point. But he's he's a little too independent for that. It is a playstation related dog anecdote. But we're also during this week. I met kim as well. Allow happy to be back. Allow happy happy to see. You both know i did. It was a realization. That my girlfriend and i had this morning but i just felt. I had to share on a playstation podcast. So our dog when we're on our couch. Our dog loves to cuddle with us like he does not like to be alone he just has to be sitting with us and what he's now learned to do is when he hears the noise of the. Ps five turning on if he is in another room he rushes in because he knows we are sitting kaaba with him like it is now something he has pavlovian. Lee train janu. I was about to say pavlov's playstation. That's very soon run. that's amazing. Yeah so like if he's in another room and he knows we're not in that room hell and he doesn't hear anything he will give it a couple minutes because he's like maybe they haven't settled. Maybe they're not ready for me. I will come in just yet but if he hears that. Ps five like he. He will skinner her across the wood floor and rush to us because he knows. Oh it's time for me to sit down for at least probably an hour. So thank you playstation for training. Dock to no one ed when it's amazing special. Yeah it's a really great bonus feature of the latest. Ps five firmware update that i appreciated them adding But before we get to any other playstation news for the ps five. I do want to give a slight. Psa at the top of the show. We've been covering earlier in this year. Of course these sort of a closure and the nondisclosure reversal of the ps three. Ps vida nps stories Those obviously a big thing. We talked about earlier this year. I think it was earlier this year. I don't know how do you know hitman three came out this year. Eight was this year. I yeah i was thinking about that. I was like i love village last meets last higher. What monster hunter rise the best game between nineteen. You know. yes it's christopher nolan's the dark knight came out this year. Oh my god. I would be crazy to think about time. And we're getting the reboot. They already this year or two that. It's not the final episode of seinfeld aired like but it's in the wrong format now on netflix. So you don't get half. The jokes like know. He's in a courtroom. It's really anyway the we we're getting this whole thing about the playstation store's closing they didn't close but for those who do have their. Ps threes there. Vida stolen are buying games on them. It's going to become a little bit harder to do so a starting believe october. Twenty seventh. I do have a copy of the email that was sent to playstation neuter users shoutout to beyond listener damon. Not our co worker damon but david who sent in The letter to me and mentioned how starting the letter states from playstation starting october twenty seventh. You can no longer use a credit or debit card. Ori payment methods such as paypal to buy a games or add fund to your wallet for ps three or ps visa. So basically you will need to get playstation store like gift cards to use those to put fund into your account for three in vida to buy things on there. Why don't know. But why because the because the vita store is still up right. Yes yeah it's just now really inconvenient us and so while they want you to buy vida games. They would also maybe suggest that. Hey maybe if you don't buy two games that's that's anew are. They avoiding the credit card fees associated with like those purchases. They are they do. They have to kick fifteen cents to citibank every time. Somebody buys pat upon. I don't get it. Yeah like i have to assume brian. It leans into that because the other really. I guess cynical thought is just that they really do want to stop having to support these stores and so they just make it harder. But that's really awful. And i hope not a true practice that anyone would engage in and so the only thing i can think of genuinely is that it is a like keeping these stores running when it relates to the various credit card companies and pay pal like there are probably deals that have to be in place for it to register those stores and it's just not worth the money to them But yeah so it will no longer be able to use the store that way. So you i must add sufficient funds to your wallet and you can do so by a redeeming a playstation or gift card via your yesteryear. Ps vida or by using your credit or debit card or pay pal on a desktop or mobile device device. So you can basically still use your credit card. But you have to do it. Not with the consuls. And you have to do it via a ps four council or your pc. So just know that. Like starting tober twenty-seventh if he wants to be still buying game intervened. nps three which. There's a lot of backward compatible stuff to buy. You can't do it just via credit card simply through those stores anymore. You do have to kind of go in a different data mascot the white vida out best one off you know now. Okay so first of all if you're watching the video show right now matt. Jonathan both wore yellow shirts at nakayama. Also both have vitas within reach. I did not get the memo. Either mine's downstairs. I would love to hold at my wife vida in where. I don't even own a yellow shirt. I'd figure something out right right trustee. Ps throw away. I don't have that. That's too much for me hand. I love console. That was by the slim slim's a slump. History is such a. yeah. I love my vida and when they announced earlier this year that they might be winding down shop. I the when. I gotta make a list. I got by all these games that i gotta i gotta get before they close africa right at and they're like oh we're not closing. I'm like oh that's good and then now they're like at the end of the month. I wanna make it really difficult for your by game on the store anyway. So i'm like now. I gotta get my list again by the lease purchase with my credit card before they make a force me to buy. What like sixty dollars playstation point cards at adult safeway. Yeah i mean things end right things. The stores closed this stuff happens. We saw that mad dash with the with the nintendo. We in the we you a couple years ago and i i. I think the three d. s. one is coming up as well. And it's just it's a bummer. Something goes from being immensely popular or in the case you know big with a small group. I love it right. Beloved cherished criminally ignored. I would argue by everyone. Not you out there. You're listening europe-wide you probably helped but the rest of you really dropped ball on the but this is such a bummer to see it sort of like ends with a far like this. You know like. I said this before the homeless again but i really wish there was a way to future proof. These purchases to bring these games to modern platforms. People can them a. That's that's my soapbox. I'll just say again urge gonna say that's all totally there with you and i think as we've said on the show before the the real big frustration for me as playstation fan as like there is so much between the generation of vita and the ps three. That is just stuck there. And i just wish there was a way to bring it forward even of stuff like if you a big ratchet clank fan and you wanted to go back to the old games. There's you know a couple that you can get on. Ps four via like ps now and things of that nature and obviously the two thousand sixteen game but the record collection and you know so much more of the future series is is mostly stuck to the ps three unless you do now subscription and things like that and so. It's it's just a bummer. That there is not a better future. Proofed way for all this stuff as you were saying. It's been the same problem. Unfortunately with nintendo this generation as well something. I think the very obvious thing. That's been coming up this week and i know you even like slacking a little bit to sam about a so sorry to blow your spinal tap with royd you like. Here's the next to detroit. Shame can't play any of those old. Two d metros in the easy way on nintendo switch i. It's just a thing that you know. Xbox is definitely been getting right this generation. I wish and hope we can see a little bit more from playstation but those stores are still available for now and so if you are worried and you want it to be the easiest way possible to get the games that you still haven't purchased on your your wishlist for ps three and vida Go do that as soon as possible. Anyway with that sad. Let's get into the rest of the news for this week. Starting with a little bit of an interesting thing that he has five games are sort of being tested for. but it's not worldwide. I love demos to start off. I think demos are so cool. Bioshock is one of my hair games of all time. I don't know if i would have loved it so much. Had not just download the demo on a whim and been like oh. This game is incredible. Need to demo desert so so cool and playstation seems to be trying something that i kind of appreciate it and hopefully see. Though there are some kinks to work out with. Sony has apparently begun testing free. Ps five-game trials so euro gamer originally spotted. This as it's something that to be going on in the uk as far as we know but this feature appears only working in the uk on just death stranding director's cut and way big adventure. Essentially you can as if you're watching the video version you'll see. There is a free trial option to add the game to your library. And then you've got a specific amount of hours to play it so you with australian. You get six hours of gameplay and sack boy. You got five hours of gameplay which is far more than i think most demos would ever give you a something your progress carryover. I believe it does. Because i believe it's creating a sort of a safe state for you so this would allow you essentially to be like. Hey i really loved the first four or five hours this game. I don't stop. I'm going to going to download the full thing now. I think there's a very very smart and clever way to get people into some of these games especially big ones like death stranding where you might not know what the hell it is That said the actual amount of time that players will end up spending. The game is likely to be considerably lower because in a strange decision the trial period for each game has been set to trigger from the moment that you select download trial on your console or at library from the web as opposed to when you actually start playing the game so if you have a slow internet download speed If you're downloaded most things it's taking awhile. That could eat up literally a third of the time if it takes two hours to download a massive game So you know something like i think. Sixty eight gigs for string. That is no small amount to download especially for people who don't have gigabit internet which isn't widespread right. High speed. internet is still a problem for a lot of people not just in the us but worldwide. And so you could eat into the free trial. Time just by downloading. Which is you can hear. Could eat to all of it for some You know a lot of people do or download games overnight to be able to play at the next day. And so yeah. This could be thing where you download it. Sorry you don't have any time left. There's also scenarios where like. I do have a gigabit internet at home. And it's and it's it's awesome when you can hardwired directly into a router which i can't do with my tv downstairs. And so sometimes. I just don't really have an option of like if if the internet starts hiccuping downstairs because the wi fi like being stupid and that's just a problem. I have to deal with an. I imagine for a lot of people. If they're councils aren't directly connected into their air internet than just hoping for the best like totally sucks. Like i i i was about to be like i really love this because sepcially fantastic an a game like death stranding frankly personally i would have played five hours out for me but thanks for offer whereas i think The little big planet software game. I would've played five hours in. This is awesome and a sleeper hit. And i was not expecting this and i'm buying this whereas something like canine. I think you can get through. You could get through half the story in so yeah and so brian to your point. I want to hear from both on this. I feel very much the same way. I think conceptually. This is awesome. And i hope they keep doing this. Because like you said it is such a user-friendly experienced feel like. I'm not sure if i'm willing to spend seventy dollars sometimes allen. Ps five games getting to play. And it doesn't have to be like. I obviously think they should get rid of this weird thing where it the timer triggers when you downloaded it. Start with you. Open the game but even if you only got like two hours to play that's a pretty good idea of what you're putting all that money into and i think it's so awesome but yeah they're very fairly clearly feels like there's kinks that need to be worked out of the system you meant you mentioned like the bioshock demos. Some of my favorite demos of all time are Kinda demos you can beat in twenty thirty minutes and they convince you immediately totally With the game is trying to do. Gameplay wise with the game is trying to do Like i've talked about the resin before demo bunch like that immediately sold me. I was like you know this is interesting franchise for awhile. It's got these funny ten controls I love it. Like essentially is a horror fan. These this is great in the revenue. Four demo came out. And i repeat it like one hundred times because i loved it so much and the same thing with bioshock fight night when that demo dropped like I think especially at the start of a council generation like. It's such a cool thing to be like. Here's this you know. Sort of sampler. Platter of different things. I can try out before. I dive in but i. I don't need it to be five hours. Two hours is great. But if those two hours are gone wanted know a wifi signal pinwheel or like a meter fill up. And screw that yeah. It's it's a frustrating element of it. That obviously this is still in a trial period. If it's just in the uk so i hope it's that they adjust if if they expanded more widely and i do hope they do but matt i want to hear from you just in terms of what you thought of of this edition because the at least for me like seeing these sort of. Ps five updates trickle out of nowhere. It is interesting to see their approach to something that i think had fans known this was happening or be a wider service. That was being included. People would be really happy. I'm curious hear what you think of the services a whole on what could be you know. Tweeter kept the same for. Yeah i mean. I'm with you right. I want to believe that Because obviously looks like a trial because it's only one country right like they're gonna get numbers back in like whoa a lot of people who out the demo stuff only actually played like hour of it because they spend five hours downloading a game like a like a string right and at the same time in two minds. I like demos. do i like intentional. Demos you know. I like i like like this. This is a unintentional sliced. That will give people to sort of like encapsulate what we want people to experience or like. Get a sense of because like you play the first sicklets that you. Let's get an instant download stranding ride just hypothetically get thirty minutes downloaded for game that game opens with like an hour or two of cuts. You're not even getting six hours of gameplay you're probably getting like two hours and then the rest is like a movie mother way. I loved us stranding. I'm on the strengthening apologist year. But like i think it might be better if you do actually just like an intentional. Our slice up that stranding that's more purposeful than just the beginning of the game because having played the beginning of that game. I know that i wasn't really invested into detrimental. A hit like our ten right. I six hours were kind of difficult So you know. We'll see. But i like the idea. I like And you know this is one case right district and it's just one game whether demo format might be weird for but yeah i think i think is a great idea i hope they i hope they fix the the start timer or but yeah yeah and and to your point by the way Like it is cool. I think the fact that the. Ps they're taking like an iterative approach. Like ps five features is knee. Because you just don't know what's going to happen next right it can a pavlovian dog beecher in the neck real and you'll never know exactly. Yeah i it will just be built in for me i. I won't see it as a big deal. But yeah i'm with you. I do think when possible bespoke demos are always more interesting. I agree. I agree with you on particular. I think it's like the my favorite section of that game is when you're building the roads and you know expanding the network in that way but you don't do that as you said for at least the first like heavy showers. It's much simpler. So i game like that. I think could benefit from bespoke demo. But something like boy. I think to brian's point you jump into that you kind of know what tack boy is the second you start playing at nitrite. It just gives you a better feel for the controls. The art style and things like that and man i. I know it's not something that every game will wanna do especially to your point of like canes You could beat half the game and then you get into that weird you know the the steam refund thing where you can refund a game before two hours of play so can i beat this game in two hours because then already fund and that's a horrible thing. We the have recently right where his game was two hours long. Everyone finished it and refunded. And there's really there's no there's no workaround for a system like that if you make short game. Yeah yeah and so. I don't think the game trial if it expands. And i hope it does should be applied to necessarily every game because it's not fair to a lot of games but i do think especially for these bigger games especially ones that are maybe harder cells giving people again. It doesn't have to be five or six hours but even like two or three is such an incredible benefit and honestly. It's something they could probably say as a ps plus benefit and. I'd be like yeah. That makes sense that in there. And i've been on i mentioned revenue before i'll say that like a i mean i was. I was in that game no matter what but the demos were something. That immediately made me go okay. I've really like tony where this going. I hate that. They time them hated that so much. Not only were they time but i believe he could only play them like in specific specific weekends or something like that asked. How does it like time periods within those weekends. Yeah and i mean that is like like you gotta wake up early in. Play this game with a gun. Your head is antithetical to the way i experienced that genre like I like to. I like to creep around slowly and tiptoe and collected everything in a game like that and like having having a rush through a demo to make sure i hit the end of it which you know to be fair. They were fairly generous with how you could do that. I saw some players in reach the an-and that's fine but That i wasn't a fan of that despite loving demo and ended up loving the game. So i think like i'm glad at demos are are still here For the longest time it was you could download them or you could get a a a disk and playstation magazine. And there'd be a bunch on there or you get a demo disc in you know as a pure boehner system like that. I love stuff like that. I hope demos never go away. I understand why they're a pain in the ass for companies to develop a vertical slice of something that has to function on its own virtually problem-free outside of a game that they're already developing so i think it is smart to go. Hey the game finished already. You can just play the first few hours of it or something like that so i yeah i hope i hope we figure out a good push in bull here because i want demos to stick around forever in some form totally. Yeah there's there's no one size fits all for that. And so i think both methods are totally viable to matt's point like i totally love bespoke demo but if if a developer didn't plan for that in in in their scope and production pipeline. It could be a massive cost and so a game like this. Let's them have another outlet to do that but if they did plan for it we could get something really really cool in that way. So yeah it's it's an interesting thing. And i don't think will be perfect for every game. But it's really cool to see and playstation. Please keep trying to make it work and embiid interesting. Use of the service because i do think it is an awesome addition for for. Ps five players. Sure moving on from there did wanna talk about what i've dubbed in our run of show the worst kept secret and gaming at the moment The gte trilogy that continues and continues to leak I feel like this is just one of the funniest stories. i've seen a while matt. I know the news team has been covering it a lot. So i don't know if you want to discuss any of the finer points of it Obviously there have been rumors for that. There was a classic trilogy coming. We've seen logos achievement images like database entries from rockstar in their launcher on. Things taiwanese ratings him. Yeah yeah that was one of them. I'd love to take credit. I love to be like. Yeah we we we. We followed the clues uncovered this but they just put it out there. We're just logged into the internet. Like up there it is. It's and then like every subsequent week is more evidence that this is a real thing and it's just you know at this point i'm I'm willing to eat a hat if it doesn't exist but it so clearly does obviously because he said there's just references to it like within the data of the rockstar launcher the logo and the achievements leaked today and you can just look at all of them The ratings or thing is the reigning raining for stuff is not a hundred percent all the time. But it's pretty damn close. And i believe it was raided by multiple countries at this point so yeah Yeah this is just no real effort on our part. We just woke up one day and it was there a massive digging. Once i am this this was our spotlight watergate. I like the idea of a movie adaptation of like. Somehow you guys have been working on a story for months and the rockstars like oh she just put in the right now. I'm hoping this follows. The trajectory of the recent kosovan advance collection. Which went from. I hope this is the thing to. Oh sounds like this might be a thing to playing it. That went from. We got rated and a week later. You could purchase it for twenty bucks. And i did immediately And that's that's awesome. I think that's what should happen here. I also think that like this is. This is kind of a very good. I mean there's no good time to launch games. 'cause we're inundated with video games now owes our forever for some reason now. There's just a way to work. You know christmas is all your now but the recent Gt five trailer on. Ps five is the most down voted five trailer. Ever people are utterly fatigued by that game despite the fact that it still makes it literally billions of dollars every second. My numbers could be a little often. But it's immensely successful people just want. Gt a six. But i think this is a good sort of like stopgap may make good is to kind of do a victory lap. That said it is and we screw is screwed this up yesterday with the fix on this story in our headline we said it was a remake remote. We know it's not it's a remastered right so don't expect a full on demon soul style. Blue point thing happening here But that said like you know having this this game run natively on you know next. Console is end looking really clean. Sixty s h may be thrown in cool rape It is also true. The rockstars sort of been systematically pulling down a lot of the fan mods for this game been created over the years although the hd remakes of the gts games in texture packs and stuff like that which sucks to see but it also. You know where there's smoke there's fire so i'm down to play these games again especially vice city. Because i think that's like one of the best open world games ever made super fun. And i just hope this becomes real. I just hope they put it out. Because we're rapidly approaching this week alone is like far cry. Metro dread the switch lead like nickelodeon all star fighting boys. Or whatever. is this man. We're we're in nonstop mode. The idea of like three obviously remastered older open world games but three quite lengthy open world games turned into the mix as you said. There's no good time for that but probably before twenty twenty. Two everything is being released is is a better time. Yeah i'll make time for this now. Not not elven ring. Time when he comes out like get outta here choji remassed. Yeah god just thinking of next year is like scary and exciting and the best and worst ways. But i want to ask both of you. Because as i've said on on the show before having grown up in a good catholic household is not allowed to play to the older. Gta's until i have never played three vice city or senate us. And so i guess mad. I don't know your history with them so on lead them. I'm with you. I also never play the original games. Gte f- or was my very first uta game and that wasn't even mine like borrowed or friends copy. Yeah i'm excited. I've heard so many good things about vice city for so long that i'm really excited. Tried out at long long last. Yeah me too and bryan kinda wanted to hear from you have just like where you think is a good starting point for for people who do on. These have mean assuming this this. This trilogy is is priced at a at something. That doesn't feel like a total screw job to the audience Then i think start with. Gte three and just jump in and go. Hey what like this is. This is one of the most definitive open world games ever made even from a historical standpoint. What's it like to experience this game. Now how much did This influence sort of modern open world crime driven game And then from there you can kind of hop around. I like i like i said i really really love by city. I think that that has one of the most coolest color palettes and tones of any open world. Game it's It strikes really good balance of being like fun but also having some totally serious stuff in it a without getting bogged down in the sort of separate tone filter that i think Yacht entity four specifically side note. Gte for seems to be this. Like red-headed headed stepchild for them. Like that it's just not like yeah. Yeah i don't know why and it made a billion dollars to again numbers could be a little off there but hugely successful game got some great. Dlc packs and it just doesn't it doesn't get talked about by like so much focuses on five and now we're talking about the trilogy again But yeah vice. He's awesome Got this awesome. Sort of like pseudo. Florida like eighty s. You know just greasy scarface like cocaine like tommy. Bahama italian crap going on. It's just so much fun In it's like i think that these games hold up like there's my big concern with these games honestly and the sort of quality of life stuff i want. Is that one of the biggest issues playing them back in the day which i guess we didn't notice at the time was at the mission structure specifically for when you die is a massive pain in the ass. It is not only a part of their design philosophy to make your replay everything that you lost but also make replay a lot of the sections where you're driving to the mission to start the mention. This was later rectified in subsequent she games but early on this is a problem. And it's one of the things that keeps me from wanting to revisit these games and so i hope that stuff like that gets tweaks. I hope there's little things under the hood that become a little easier There's also like in a little while for these games. Get going and i think a lot of people just want to jump in and start causing chaos. So i hope that kind of stuff that they fixed too but i mean the idea of being able to play these games consoles. Pc's or even switched was part of the rumors is super cool. And i think the You know just for people that have played. Gte games in the past like a really fun to revisit. I don't think you need to finish them. If you don't feel like you have the time to like packaging all three of these games. I don't really see them. I don't really want them to charge more than thirty forty dollars for all three of them. Who knows maybe there's a bunch of new sort of bells and whistles that they can justify the sixty bucks seven rice range for but these games have been dirt cheap on legacy consuls for ages now and pc ports have been dirt cheap. So i really hope. This isn't like a big rip off thing we'll see. Yeah it it's interesting not to know the scope of it. And i guess just before we wrap up and move on. That was sort of. My big question is like it's very funny. Just how obviously this is a thing that is being made and yet rockstars not set a thing in my. My only thought is that they are waiting for a similar to to castle. Vania here it is and it's out now for the anniversary. Which is i think coming up later this month of. Gt three so. Like i assume that is the reason we are not getting acknowledgement. But before we do like either of you have any other theories about why it just seems to be. This keeps leaking. But we're just not going to not going to announce it at this rate we're gonna get we're just gonna get price leak if we don't get an official the prices just gonna come out in some twitter ad for that. Wasn't supposed to go live or something i mean. They're a notoriously secretive heavily guarded company. That doesn't let a lot of secrets out. Which is uncharacteristic that these leaks or even happening to begin with. But i went on like a visited. Their offices When i was in town new york comical years ago. I got invited over. And they're like oh we'll give you an office tour and this is before red was unveiled. So i got there i got on the elevator. Saw the rock star logo. And they're like well. That's all we can show you cigar cool so i get it you know but i just yeah i hope i opted these games. Get a good price and i hope they get a release date soon ish. Yeah it definitely feels like this fall would be the good time to release especially With the Always amusing fact to me of. Gte five being delayed is just the funniest things to be able to say. Twenty twenty one so gte five delayed. Hopefully these games come out this fall. Because i yeah i. I'm totally with you. I really would like to spend some time with them. And this holiday season feels like the right time before as he said elden ring and horizon and god of war and gotham knights and thirteen massive open world games. Come out would not hurt to be able to jump into these now with that said. Want wanna move on to just a couple other pieces news before we jump into water playing briefly. Want to mention for those who do subscriber for those who are interested in the service and keeps a watchful eye on the october games for playstation now include. Actually the last of us part to fallout seventy-six desperadoes three final fantasy eight remastered a and a few other games are joining lineup. Joined yesterday so they are currently available in playstation. Now i had to move to see the date on my computer screen so those will be there like with other big sort of playstation first party games in. Ps now the last of us will leave the service on january third. So if you're subscriber you kind of know how much time you have to spend game. Luckily it is not a three hundred hour world games. You should be able to buy them. I'm brian just too quickly thirty you. I think it's really cool that we continue to see these headliners for ps now of like really major especially recent station Four exclusives i just. It feels like there's something missing to the service like it just feels like they are not capitalizing on what could be a bigger deal. Yeah this is a like. It's an amazing restaurant with terrible signage. And like the story of the storefronts just beat up in miserable and old in. You're like what's going on in there. And it's like really great food. Like it's kind of a bummer. To me that this is like first of all. It's awesome that these games are coming up. He has now. If you're subscribe to that service that's a tremendous value add and being able to play a big ask aaa first party game like the last of us to is huge. You know. I'm not crazy about the sort of limited time limit. You have to do that like you said. Jonathan like plenty of time to play that game That said in. We've said this in the past. I wish there was a a playstation lust. Here that just bundled this. I would gladly. I would gladly pay the extra money to make this one sort of concurrent annual payment. That says here's your. He has now games with month. Here's your plus Online access and you get access to discounts the store. That's your service at your tier done. You know like. I personally don't really understand why these these services feel like completely different divisions under the same company on the same consoles perpetually bizarre to me i i also got like a sort of a soft relaunch in twenty nine thousand nine. I believe yelm and most of you don't know that because by you because that's not that's not really been the thing that they're they've really pushed front and center. It's odd right like it. Just feels like this service that they own that. They're they're proud of that. They are nurturing in some capacity but the average user isn't talking about it or using it and this is anecdotal. i don't have the exact data on how many places now subscribers are arbor's. ps us. But i can shot in the dark guests that he has pluses significantly more popular with users. And that's a problem. Not a problem that he has plus popular. But it's a problem that they have the service that it is being ignored and you know i. I don't think it's my job or any of our jobs particularly to get on shows like this and be like yes subscriber like. It's on sony to go this. What this this this adds to the value and this is how we can roll this into something. You're already paying like seems pretty simple. Xbox has a game has ultimate thing they've dipped in gold and stuff like that different tiers. It gets a little wonky over there right. Nintendo's now about to announce it pricing for whatever their sixty four Structured here of nintendo online is going which online expansion pack the expansion that will tongue in cheek joke based on a like a little red cube thing inside your system that you see. There's there's something here is a cool. There's multiple cool services here. That should be a jammed together and make something enticing for for people like us the de-subscribe all at once simple is totally for reference. I just sent you were mentioning. As of march thirty first. There were three point two million playstation now subscribers and as of june twenty twenty one there were forty six point three million playstation plus subscribers. That's that's absolutely abysmal. Like i'm sorry that's what how many how many playstations are currently being used between. Ps four nps five three something million. That's abysmal. yeah and there's some it feels like if you told people this was a thing more or as he said bundled the ps plus it would be such an easier. I think for a lot of nimble madame curious on your take on a to don't think we've had you on we've discussed. Ps now like what's going on there but you know asking back and forth between this game. Pass them curious to hear your thoughts. I mean i'm sure. What i'm going to say is not something that hasn't been discussed on this show before you know my. It's it's weird right because it's not even like this like crazy out there concept right. East kinds of services have now are popular on xbox It's not like there's a big heavy lift to try and like explain this to people. 'cause you can really just be like this version of that and i think people be like. Oh yeah i get that you know. So it's it's a little weird. It's a little weird that a and like they were ahead of the time for so long is now eat came out way ahead of its competitors was rough at launch from what i've heard but like it was an interesting and they. They bought an entire like cloud service company to do it so it it sucks to get a head start on something and maybe just a little too early with it or or some sort of concept that i you know. Yeah no one. Obviously you said it. Like three million people is is nothing in terms of the user base nobody is using the same essentially. and so. that's just it's weird. Yeah it's like. I think you could have probably put in with every five years know six months to ps now to play some of our older games. You probably get at least a couple people to keep that going. Even if it's just forgetting to cancel their subscription on their credit card Yeah it's a service. That i think all of us here in bryan know we've talked about before we don't personally subscribe to You know i've i've dipped into it here and there but i don't keep a subscription to it but if it were consistent part of i think the wider offering i would care about more right and yeah as you said it feeling like it is a separate division just makes it feel less important and i think there is a a future where it can and should be part of. Ps plus just a another part of that offering a like maybe free trials like some other stuff but again i just until it is. It's this weird sort of thing in the corner. That could be a great opportunity but just doesn't always seem to be taken advantage of. Yeah i mean it's worth. I think it's worth putting. The xbox game has has what just under nine hundred million subscribers globally and. That's not the most amazing numbers in the world. Especially if you look at the plus numbers you just sat right but the difference is i feel like microsoft is just constantly yelling about it and constantly adding new games to it and making big thing about it whereas it does sort of feel like i mean there was that shawn layden quote the other day about their playstation games coming to pc And he talked about how like. They aimed the those first party games coming to pc as an opportunity to reach an audience. They hadn't reached once. Those games had already sort of hit market saturation on consoles and i do wonder if they look at station now almost as a competitor to themselves because they can make seventy bucks off of i already game or sixty bucks off of Game like of us or they can drop it for free on there or you know for a subscription fee for a couple of bucks a month and that does take away from the big picture of them. You know dominating sales charts. I think that's just a different philosophy than and microsoft has right now for better or worse. It seems to be working well for sony. They are still the market leader and they're making a ton of money so i do wonder if that's part of it if they're just sort of like we're doing this but we don't wanna make a big deal about it That's like you said. Jonathan it is a great place to find older games. And so i wish i wish they marketed that aspect of it especially while they are simultaneously being like. Hey it's it's we're making it really difficult to buy old games now. yeah. I'm very much like i understand. Why they are aren't and probably won't for some time if ever put day and date release is on a thing like ps now. And i. i don't expect them to for their first party games. And that's fine Like the strategy is working for them and while continues to work. I don't expect the change. But yeah i'm very much in favor of like. He has now. Seems like a great way to showcase the wider library of why you care about playstation not just this generation but older and it is a thing of like all i really loved the last of us part to and maybe you bought it. Maybe you played through. Ps now i wanna see what else they've worked on. Oh i never played uncharted. Because i just bought. Ps five and didn't have a ps three ps four. Let me go play them on. Ps now opportunities like that feel like what could be doing and it just. I wish it was a bigger thing. But for now A cool month of offerings for people especially if he didn't pick up loss west per to launch last year. I actually does take advantage of the. Ps five patch for sixty frames per second. So if you are planning on. Ps five via ps. Now you can get that and that's really cool because they haven't yet introduced. Aps five games to ps now. So that's a neat little bonus anyway moving on from there. Though the last thing i did focus on was just another sort of long just eating rumor that came to a head with a bit more of a wider scope of what may be going on and that is what's going on with these days. Obviously brian we were talking last week about castleblaney advanced collection which we both love those games in that series now a wide report from vga and a few other places Seems to confirm and double down on rumors that they are focusing not just on silent hill which has been along just dating rumor but silent hill metal gear and castle vania are all in various stages of some production so the just to kind of run quickly through them. Vga reported that nahmias refocusing on developing games within best series. One of those first games will be a reimagining of castle. Vania being developed primarily by internal studios They are also planning masters of the original metal gear solid games for new consoles as well as a potential full remake of melba solid. Snake eater euro gamer also reported a head considered. An md has three remake for some time and then early scrap version. Apparently even used the fox engine from five Anyway and then moving on from there of course is the sort of reaffirming redoubling down a things that we've heard for some time that multiple silent hill games are in development with one at a prominent japanese developer and of course the continued rumors and speculation. That bluebird team may be working on to silent hill. Game as well matt. I do want to start with you just And and do not of course but matt from your side. Wh which of these would you be potentially most interested in like which of these areas do you have a vested interest in order. Just your general thoughts about where canabis out right now boy. That is a loaded question. John okay okay. For the longest time it was obvious sun hill. I love horror games. I'm in for lucy here. I love horrigan. That i love sound hill but i have a you know. I've been saying it for so long. That i'm sort of just cooled on it myself. Even at this point i just showed it to me like at this point. I'm no longer like anticipating or thinking about what a nissan hill like. I'm just like whatever you got working on. I'll see it. And then i'll make judgment there so for honestly. Now it's probably the m. Three full on remake a light. That is a game that is that still holds up. But i mean you know. Even if they're not using fox engine like new magin just current gen assets visuals for mgm. it'd be be sick as hell. And i'm so excited for that. I've never been really a big gasoline guys. But i've played enough and i've i've enjoyed. Would i played. But i'm not like a castleblaney of and so i'm interested to see what they look. I did play that could Reimagining the lords of shadows tally. Yeah yeah it was awful. I hated sucks. So whenever whatever new castle vanity make. I hope it's sort of like what you're doing. What metro you know like they're doing. Msci dread which is as like modern take on the old to the formula. Think that really good way to heckler franchise and not turn it into something. That is not because i want to reiterate lords of shadows. Yeah castle vigna had a weird sort of comedown period from man that awesome. Just run of gpa and ds es releases just back to back toback. Kind of really awesome bangers. Even the worst of them was still very good and so it was really great to see an hour in this place of like. I don't know what Castle via is too and brian. I do want to hear your thoughts on it because like they have been focusing on these these remastered collections of of the older games. Not just the ones previously so like. They know people love these older games. So how how much are they gonna re imagine it like what. What would you wanna see from a modern castle. Vania i love matches said about The metro dread approach. I think that that's the way to do it. And there's a similar franchises. Interestingly metro in savannah because they started off as two days they've been Somehow joined together in a genre term forever whether they like it or not And they they also had weird experiments in three d. some of which were successful son worm. Lords of shadows was kind of slog and. I'm kind of a bummer. And not really what i wanted. I i think that there are people who really like the old school sort of hackensack Sort of straightforward calvin games. That are two d- You know stuff like dracula acts in super castagna and then those people that love the sort of metro vania castle stuff. That's you know you can get an item and you come back and break door that you couldn't kick down earlier you know i. I love that stuff. I'm really happy that they Putting some of the legacy games on modern pod people can appreciate them this. All of this feels like on hd master of rumors that we've discussed on the show. Before like i. i'm with matt as well. I just want this stuff to start materializing. I want to know what it is It's I read something the other day that they're sort of like asking indie devs to come up with hitches for games and whoever won would get a eighth eighteen thousand. Us dollars. that's socks. I'm gonna call administrative say that sucks as much as it sucks when influence or goes on twitter and goes. Hey fifty bucks. Whoever makes me the best logo sucks do not do not gamified. Contest at of people out of creative types with a paltry rewards. It's miserable and pathetic. Don't do that. what they should be doing is using their keen is which i assume there's at least a couple left at the company. Look around and go. Hey who is a really awesome company that matches our aesthetic and our our consistencies games right. Now who should make a modern metal gear game who should make a modern silent hill game. I mean i think everyone who listens to the show could sit down and tell you right now in the comments. Who's who's who's like way forward would make an awesome castellini game yacht. Club would make an awesome castle game like there's a bunch of bill you compare with who make great hard game you know like who could make a great Silent hill or a three d gas with this all these options there. And i like that so much better than just being like. Hey you know. I'm i'm a big king. All the justice coming as jokes and i'll throw rupees at your feet like that sucks. It sucks so much. don't do that. So yeah i can. Nami is it had a really really crappy decade or so. And they've done really really stupid stuff and they deserve to be roasted over the coals for a lot of very very bad decisions. They're also responsible for some of the most legendary. Ip's in video game history and to see those things get squandered Has and will continue to break my heart so yes take these. Take these games. Take these franchises compare them with competent an excellent developers and pay them for it and give us great games. It seems pretty simple to me like if you can't make them yourself because you too busy and pachinko land or schoonover. Your healthcare of your employees did pay people to make your franchises in the great modern games instead of squandering them simple as that. That's all a there with you. It's wild how for so long it has just been like. They hold the keys to the kingdom of such beloved franchises. And get to your point. I don't know what melchior would look like. Obviously i haven't played the series much. But i know about it in the ether in. It's so to be joined with kajima. Newer games would be like without him. I think they really need to kind of figure that that vision output remakes of the games that are beloved ways of getting them off councils like m. g. s. four is still just locked on the ps three getting people access to those games and showing them why they care about it but go a really long way and it just seems like such an easy win well so they they did make metal gear without could most called melchior survived. It was not great weird weird not rate thing but yeah i mean we're in we're in this world of of ip is king know dan stapleton roy is ears are burning right now. But but yeah. It's true like they've got such beloved things and it's just okay so you know how there's rumors forever right. And so apparently like there's a bad blood between konami and kajima when they when they parted with each other and that's why it excludes for all the all the weird shenanigans but like it's free real estate right just unbe. Pt for sixty f- ps selling for ten dollars. And that's just money right on the table and it's just weird that they're these things that they're just not doing because or whatever reasons either either. There's some sort of weird legal stuff or really is just like nursing. Yeah like it's just crazy to me that were in twenty twenty one. We're now just like we might make games again. These three pillar franchises that everybody in the industry loves heading. Be a very significant factor honestly. They there was outspoken. Notable craters at worked on and pioneered these franchises that had fairly public breakup with nami. And maybe they're just like an angry about it and they don't wanna touch these things but then these rumors start coming out and you're like well and do something. please do. So yeah it's and bryant here put like it's been a decade or like there's just been such a long stretch of silence for so many of these these franchises as matt. You're saying that hillary's of the industry that pretty much. Everyone agrees if they made something. Good at new lot of people would be happy. And it's just yeah. It feels like such a missed opportunity. So i am very cautiously hopeful for things but yeah as as you pointed out like there is a lot of bad blood between the creators of these franchises and the company who still controls them until like does the company who still control them have the foresight and ability to put them in the right hand. Even if it's not those original creators some don't know some of the most important video game series in the history of medium have have passed through. The hands of different craters have switched genres entirely. They've switched perspectives entirely. Sometimes unsuccessfully but many times successfully you know like the the people working on the first resin evil game. the people. Working on the newest rosen. Evil game are not the same team of people you know. Metro prime was not developed. I you know a team of people that were developed by people in austin texas. You know not a team of japanese game devs like there's things change things evolve and the but the fundamentally these stories in these franchises in these games characters are awesome so like i personally like you know. We were talking a bioshock before when we finally do that. Bioshock four. reveal. Whatever like two ks rumoring for years. I'm i'm open minded about it. If it sucks it sucks. But like i'm down to try it. I'm ken levine. Won't be working on it. We know that. And that's okay. But it's it's a cool concept and if someone wants to take on that story and make something new with it. I'm i'm knocking just protest. It just in in theory unless like it looks like garbage dollars if this is a bunch of problems about it then you know. Screw you but i'm down to try new things based on old things that aren't being made anymore and i think it's also something that just speaks to a general thing that i think we tried to make sure we made clear on. The shock was talking a little bit about the creators in konami having blowouts and that causing refs but none of these games are single developer. These are games that especially as the series went on our can be made by hundreds of people and so an totally tier point. Brian like i am totally fine. If really beloved series changed hands it is just a natural part of the way i p as matt was saying d. Dan would hate. But as i works. It's just a changes hands. And so that's okay. I just hope they're baked some like. I just want something to be made at this point. It is as you both are saying. It's like we have such a quiet time. Just make these games and if there had they're bad but at least you tried something yup Actually i want to add one quick thing. And that's just because he said something just now but like to be economic. Did you know like silent hill changed hands right and i think i think we have to kill our on our end as as audiences in place. We'll have to be willing to meet them halfway killer darlings right because they made sound hill a shattered memories which was made by completely different he not at all by original team and the hardcore sign hill and basil out. We won't touch anything. That's not by team silent right but shattered memories is one of the sound hell games. I've ever i lost that game And it just didn't get a fair shake because there was like a really like calcified audience that really just only want latest one one one group and so i think you know i think maybe if they and you know obviously they also tried with melchior survive and to those more great so but you know i think maybe you know i could see a thinking where we gave it a shot External teams and just people didn't bite. You will then give it shot. So why bother you know so. I think there's a little. There's a compromise that we can reach. When i think maybe by me time right and people are just at this point. We'll take anything you know. We'll we'll do whatever at this point. So maybe maybe now is why. The rumors starting yuck totally. I really just about to be cliche. Time heals all wounds But maybe hopefully it does when it comes to corporate ownership and the way those things change hands because van. i'd love to see some new castle vania but obviously if and when these things happen we will be reporting on them on jan will be talking about them on the show and i hope there are some surprises in store they. They've taken their time so let's hope they're cool. But in the meantime that largely wraps up all the big play station news for this week except for of course whatever playstation announces between unrecorded and this post but i to move on from there. Let's talk a little bit about what we've been playing brandon. Do wanna start with you because as you matching this very busy week releases. Some of those are very nintendo leaning But one of them is multiplatform. Are crisex which. I know you're playing a fair bit of here thoughts on so let's get this out of the way real quick. I love cry. I'm a huge fan of it. I have not i've not reached. I've been there. But i haven't reached the level of fatigue that others have experienced with a. I'm also one of those people that I play one of these games every two or so years. I played for thirty forty hours. I don't sometimes i- hundred senate. Sometimes i platinum it but these are really fun. Giant who fee occasionally serious sandbox games for me that i have an absolute blast lying in one of my favorite video game franchises. Ever just as you're alone. I replayed about four or five of them. I'm working on some features about far cry. I love this series owes. Have i think it's it's absolutely been hit or miss in the past. I think that Five was neither to goofy nor too serious. I don't think. I don't think it truly succeeded in any of the things that was accomplishing. I appreciated it for what it was trying to do. But that said there's a lot of sort of contention around the series that people are like it's the same thing over and over again. it's too stale. it needs to totally reinvent itself. I personally don't think that it needs a complete overhaul. But i think that far cry six is adding new stuff to it and trying enough new ideas while still kind of far cry comfort food that i appreciate the hell about a of of what it's doing. I really really really like far classics. Really do I think that it brings back a lot of the sort of like fun colorful crazy. Open world you know. Tropical nonsense of far three. I think it brings some of the Functionalities sensibilities that we saw in foreign five a at a lot of really great features in terms of reversal and sort of like diversity of The way you can approach a any a given objective and it's just a absolutely gorgeous game. I really love Danny role house the new Protagonists she's wonderful. I think it's moved away a lot from the sort of Early two thousands. A extreme gopro edge lord like like the series longtime. It's way less x. Games now it is kind of a more grounded although there's still a lot of goofy nonsense my Animal companion so far in the fifteen hours i've played has been wapo. The alligator who is a old tooth alligator with a t shirt that eats enemies on command. I agree yes. He's so great. Yeah i was gonna say not to interrupt you but yeah like i. You definitely have way more deep knowledge and love for this year than i do. I loved three played a fair bit of four but dropped off relatively quickly played a decent chunk of primal dropped off a bit quickly and then pretty pretty quickly dropped off of five. But i'm right. I'm so really having a lot of fun sex. And i do think a little bit of it is like i do play other ubisoft. Open world games and so the fatigue hasn't said in for me because i skipped so much a far cry recently but yet there's like in the first couple hours as you were saying. I have a friend buddy alligator who will trump enemies on commander. Let me pet him. I have a flame thrower a car with a massive machine gun on it and a backpack that shoots missiles like. It's just silly in a in a fun way. yeah no. that's exactly. Yeah and i think that like the so. They act the skill tree in this game. Which i was immediately kind of like upset about it because i i love. I love the kind of mild. Rpg elements they put in previous far. Cry games refill meters. All of a sudden. You like killed you know x. amount of people. I can put some points into this and blah blah blah blah. But it turns out that that was for the better here because this game has more rpg customization than i've ever seen in of our card game and frankly in most first person shooters and like a quick background. On that i actually. I think i really like first person shooters and i hate online multiplayer like and and so that doesn't leave me a lot to work with I don't wanna play call of duty multiplayer every year in like you know run around those same environments kill streaks and stuff like that not really my thing. I don't really care. But i really like the metric prime games. I think that there's a lot you can do with that. Perspective in terms of like platforming in grappling hooks. And you know all that fun stuff. And i love the playground element of these games. They feel more first-person. Gta to me and they do like a first person has hasn't creed or something like that. So while yes they definitely have a little bit of that. You saw formula. I appreciate that these games take on different settings and this one specific specifically is letting me play with all these crazy. Low doubts i can. I can Find a bunch of scraps and customized gun my weapons political perks on each one of them. I can you know. Hang weird keychains on the front of my rocket launcher. I can a upgrade my alligator. I can you know outfit my car that i can call on command with all this crazy stuff and i'm just having so much fun playing it. It's also a game that lets you be stealthy when you want to. Which i think like another thing. I really like stealthy stuff in games but i don't like games. That are entirely stealth. I spent an hour and a half this morning playing game sneaking around the compound just like you know systematically knifing people in the back of the neck and then a helicopter spotted me and started shooting missiles at my at my pet and blew a mob and i ran over to save him and then just how to pull out rocket launcher and just go loud on everybody and it's just fun as hell man. I think that that's just like a thing that like we kind of lose track of a lot with video games. I think that like sometimes it's just really cool and they're just really fun and this is really fun to me. And so i think if you're looking for like a big old new open world game and you don't feel completely fatigued on the series Then please check out mark's like it is it is just like just a really really fun game it's challenging. The world is gorgeous and massive the new cities they added a really fun to explore reversal. Verticality weapon options are great. You can do all sorts of horses in this game. this is just. It's just a good time. And that's that's what i need right now. I haven't traveled at all in two years. So i don't know robert around a tropical island blown-up stuff and the ho- hop on jet skis a shoot dudes. The now like i used to shoot took vacation. You know said too much i mean i like big big hearty two thumbs up for me on this game. I love it. I can't wait to play more. I'm happy it's here. yeah. I'm glad you're joining the i. I've been having a lot of fun with it too. I've definitely much earlier on. But i'm i'm very curious to see how i feel about it as you know. We've talked about the us off fatigue. In terms of how. I feel forty hours in but now i feel like it is different enough from the fatigue is kind of feeling with assassin's creed that i'm enjoying and want to keep going. Yeah there's just something loud and fun about the game options in. I'm not nearly enough in the story to commentate on how it how it's tackling the issues that it seems to want to tackle but At at least on a mechanical level. I'm having a lot fun with it. Yeah really really glad to hear you have been as well. Are you okay so you. I'm fine gotten cat. Wants to leave the room. Okay feel feel free to quickly literally out of course and while he does that. I'm going to say matt loves far. Cry is well. I don't know if that's true. But before before we get to games mass pike. Anything else anything else on on your recent like play doctor that you've been enjoying no finished circle of the moon. In the castle collection. I moved on a harmonized distance. Which is A comically over compensates. For how dark the first game as just one of the most neon castellini games in existence. And because of that Eat soundtrack takes a hit. It's all a bit Is they put all the skill points into the graphics department. I think the soundtracks awesome The the game itself is kind of frustrating. Because it's kind of a pain in the ass to there's a lot of backtracking in that game uncovered fifty percent of the night before. I unlock the double jump. So i'm yeah. I'm excited to chip away at that. And make my way to area of sorrow which is just the best. My favorite tutti house of any game up there with symphony that obviously. That's such a treat to get access my favorite trilogy so yeah so plan that love him. So much yeah. I am still in circled the moon but really enjoying that trilogy but going to find time between that far cry and it just everything else have one or two games read. How dare you. You've showed the xbox on the trailer now like fools how that's for the video version of the show for anyone watching anyway. Matt i want to hear from you. What have you been playing recently that you've been jar. Yeah i didn't fill out this beforehand so realize this just may have made it difficult for read i'm I'm sorry but i've been playing judgment. I'm still early in. It's a long game as yard. G g studios games are fun basically Here's what i'm gonna say if you love yakuza and do not like turn based jr. Bg's in are kind of just bummed about the about the new direction. There's a perfectly good judgment right like it's the exact same cockney you know just beat up lows of dudes with insane combos and hit him with nearby bicycles traffic cones and beat up teenagers. Who are rude to you. It's great you just you could just kick butt and take names and there's a there's a very serious someone died. There's a murderer at the at the center of the story and that's pretty dramatic and that's pretty different from the other stuff. But if you're like i would like to. I would like to walk around this town and beat up everybody. Who looks at me mean you can do that. It's it. it's really funny. I always hear that dismissal. With these games and i played a little bit of the first judgment. Want go back to it before i jump into law judgment but it is that funny. It's like yeah. There's a murder mystery at the center of it. And there's some really serious things. But the thing i keep seeing like oh but also you can inspire kids with a dance routine at the raisin and i just love that that distance of the of these games. It's it's great. You know how you know how you see a little like that. You'd be soft. Dna right you can get losses created in your front cry alright. Sega makes a lot of good rhythm games right. I don't know if you've ever played the Coup rhythm games right and you get a little of that in judgment and yahtzee and all that stuff little sampler of some good stuff in there too but yeah. It's very funny to talk about that game. Because like one of the best opening moments of it is. There are a couple of rude teenagers. Bullying this hapless match right and they're just snot nosed punks. Beat them up and the game. Yeah yeah so you do. But then also the the main central story is really just like heavy touches on like bullying and japanese culture and stuff like that and and and really serious issues. Which i'm not too far in. I've read some read some criticisms that game kind of dropped the ball in this subject matter. It it's really. It's really tough to stomach. at some. at some points but again dance contests fight beat up bullies the bullies Lot of flavors. I love it. Those games have arcades in them where you can play classic sake against two. that's Like what you were saying unlike celebrating sega's legacy like they're so good at that in those games. Is it matt for you are you. Did you play like a dragon. Like how do you feel about the split between the two. I like both dragons. I'm not super big into jared. Pg's but i don't like hate them. And i felt like a dragon was a moderate. Like it's not too heavy right like it's kinda like persona non same way where it's accessible to me. I'm revisiting some old things. Like i played on fantasy ten recently. And that's like a hard core old school j. rpg. And i cannot do it like fashion for me so in i need a little something a little lighter a little little more like add friendly. I feel like that kind of weird. Like i do. Have a short attention span for this kind of stuff and you really have to either really into numbers really into intimate maxine. Or you don't have to be and so like a dragging great for me. But i also like lhasa gal because the games so i have both i really both and it's great. Yeah i really appreciate that. They were like we feel like we found something really cool with like a dragon. They wanna keep focusing on that but they didn't wanna take away what people love about yuccas in general and it's like well. We have a spin off series that we made that was well received. Kind of is a similar game. So let's just put the attention. There can have these two tracks going at the same time as israeli interesting. I really want to get into that series. But man i just i look at it in the same way that people look at me when i say kingdom hearts and like other like twelve of them to to play through it yeah. It's it's definitely daunting. I put about twenty six hours into Yuccas zero and loved it and then it just it just kept going and there were parts of it that grabbing then ultimately i got distracted and then knowing that there were so many other games between that and Like a dragon. Which i really wanna play. Because i'm a lot like you. I really dig like i. I love a lot of things about rpg's and then there's a lot of things i don't about our rpg's under there's some of them that just like totally nail the parts that are specifically for me Like the south park rpg. I loved because it was just like. Oh you guys made like a weekend. Rpg for may you know twelve hours long and it's got it's got stats items. You know all that fun stuff. But also i don't feel like i have to eighty hours in an yakuza games are like here's a little bit of that but it's still going to be eighty hours. Man this is tough. But i i appreciate how those games are really really wanna get back to them. Yeah it's it's here. That i keep saying i'll make the time for and haven't yet i. Maybe just need to bite the bullet and do that. It's not like there are any remastered trilogy of open world games out this fall to distract me. Otherwise but yeah. That's basically my problem right now. Is i went to look back at things. Like i was starting far christ six. I played a little bit of nickelodeon all stars silly fight buddies and was having a lot of fun with it as as a smash fan who kind of fell off smash for awhile is and as an old school nickelodeon fan. It's just really fun to have. Spongebob beat up. And then april o'neil from ninja turtles shows up. And then what are the real monsters. They're also to taunt your nightmares. It's great and we are never tar and rich are just comes. I like i love the silliness of that. But like i played a couple of matches of that was having a really good time like if i don't put it in fifty hours to this i'm not going to be good at this game to like fight on a competitor whatsoever and so when we can definitely won't have mitchell saltzman on the show he is he's busy working on coverage of this game so that's why he's not on this week but when he can be. We'll definitely do a longer talk. Because he and. I are big playstation. All stars battle royal fans to and without that getting sequel. This is sort of our next best hope on playstation at the moment and it was having a lot of fun with that i was dipping into far cry. But then i looked at oh. I've stopped playing like ten different games in the last two months. And i just need to go back to some of them had finished them and that is like the scary call that i have to make right now is like i just don't know where to go next. I've said this for years. But i really wish every game had previously on this new game. Yeah and it was just baked in. I know that's extra development costs and time but like if you go a couple months playing a game and you come back and it'd be just nice to have something go. Hey you're old and dumb and entire ears Here's where you were last game. Yeah and i'm like holding a key. And i have no idea where i need. I need control. Refresher is that's right. Yeah yeah hey. It's been like two months since he last played this. Would you like to learn how to control the game again. Yes please yeah. A lot of games have decent like lower backdrops. That i guess i can always go check in. But yeah it's totally. I even just going back to like goes tsushima for the gallon expansion a month or two ago i was like oh i forget how to play this game and i could not walk or or perry correctly for the first like three hours because i was just a mess of timing but That would that would be nice to have in a season like this just a here. Here's how it works again. Don't worry but yeah there's a lot of games. Please let us know what you've been playing out there. Please let us know which of the fall games we haven't spent towards time on that you want to hear from We dig it an email recently from someone asking for tales of horizon impressions which i don't think a- any of the three of us have started yet So definitely want to get someone who's play tells verizon soon but yeah there's just so many games haven't gotten the time to get to them all but we will try to cover them as well as we can before the year ends because we got a vote on those at some point anyway but with that said let's move onto memory card which is of course our weekly segment where you the viewers and listeners. At home right in with your sad weird happy wacky. Whatever memories of your gaming life We read them on the show One of this week's this one comes from a k babs a frequent commenter viewer of the show Shadow today babs. Who wrote in a couple memory card is gonna read one of them this week. the first story has to do with ratchet and clank. Because this is me talking about k. Bob says for doesn't okay. Babs is a huge russian client fan. I think actually might have worked on our guide idea for the ripped apart. So there you go back in two thousand. Three i was playing my first ratchet title and managed to one hundred percent the game. This includes buying the rhino weapon which costs one hundred and fifty thousand volts. I for perspective. It takes about two hours to save up for the tesla which cost thirty thousand. I spent several afternoons and evenings. Replaying all the levels of the game getting the cash to buy it now at the time my sister and i had separate memory cards. Minefield with jack ratchet massaccesi files and hers kingdom hearts and sing star. High skorts With her permission she led me to back up my route to save to her memory card in case something happened now. Here's the foolish part my overconfidence. I showed her. The process worked. By intentionally deleting save on my memory card only. When i checked hers there was nothing there. It took me a minute realized what i'd done wrong. Instead of copying to save to my sister's memory card. I copied the save onto the one that was already on overwriting itself and so it just deleted and that type. That's how i learned that money growing experts exist. But in artifact down i've since one hundred percent ratchet clank one again not just on ps two but also the h. deport on ps three and the port of that on vida as well which is which is quite commitment. And i do like the idea that. Like oh i burned myself once but i'm never gonna burn again to make sure i get this back but cave apps. Thank you for the memory card related memory card. A appreciate that and thank you to everyone. Who's been writing in with those. If you'd like senders and you can read into beyond aegean dot com with the subject line memory cards so i can easily find them and we'll read them on the show each week. But that's gonna pretty much wraps up for this week's episode beyond before we go brian anything. You want appeal toward that. You've been working on recently or shut out not So much but at the same time. I came. Yeah i do not know a lot about it. Yes you've been very visit said don't worry about at all But matt anything on on your you wanna point people to yeah. I actually think i'm allowed to share this. But i am working on a preview of the next fancy fourteen expansion and walker. Which will be out next week. I think sometimes and so look up that and i looked to come back and talk about that because that is a playstation title that it is so i'm working on that right now. I i if you play fourteen to very excited. Awesome looking forward to hearing your thoughts and yet definitely wouldn't have you back on soon for that as well and yet just on my end as we've been in the last couple of weeks all the contents out but go check out all the incredible work that went into june twenty fifth anniversary stuff and one of the final pieces we put up was My of the level on the last of us per twos rat king ossified are really really awesome. Product to be able to work on a huge. Thank you again to all the naughty dog team that spoke with six people on the team across a bunch of disciplines there about the creation of this boss fight. It's a lot of really cool inside from them. Pat coughlin on our video team just did a tremendous added of go. Check it out us on ideas on youtube long. But i think it's a really fun and i hope you enjoy it. But that's thank you for shit that that's going to wrap us up for this week's episode of beyond. Thank you brian and matt for joining me on this episode. Thank you to read our producer for making the show happened and thank you to everyone out there for listening and watching. We hope you're safe. We hope you're well and as always beyond beyond yawn.

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Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart PS5 Review Impressions - Podcast Beyond Episode 704

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Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart PS5 Review Impressions - Podcast Beyond Episode 704

"This episode of beyond is sponsored by indeed beyond and. Hello everyone my name. Is jonathan dornbush and this podcast beyond aegean's weekly playstation show where we cover all the latest and greatest in the world the playstation even if they're not any three luckily we have a major playstation released to talk about this week ratchet and clank ripped apart. This whole episode is going to be a spoiler free thought breakdown review impressions of ratchet clank all four of us. Get to my panel in just a second have gotten to play it but obviously we know. It's a few days away from release as a recording. This and as you're listening so don't worry we're not gonna spoil the ended the game. We're not gonna talk about the master chief cameo. We're not gonna talk about any of the big stuff we want to save for you in the full game. Of course she store no you just. It's the best part of the game. Obviously not to talk about all ripped apart except for the stuff or not allowed to talk about this week. I'm joined by simon cardi. How lo- i am here and still haven't had a haircut for seventeen wants now. It's getting too much. It's too warm sweaty hair. It's not good. It's not great but as one of the two chaos boys. It's great to have you here. Of course this week. By steve sailors. Thank you so much steve for joining us this week. Hey thanks for having me on. This is exciting to talk about this finally. Yes yeah happy to have you back on the show and we're also joined this week by one. Member of the carpool crew. Unfortunately the whole gang isn't here but work medina. Thank you so much for joining us. It's true i am here. Mitchell did tweet that he's very excited. reveal his review of i think it was tolls of destruction on twitter because he hasn't played ripped apart yet so look forward to that on on mitchell's twitter also simon. I love your hair. Don't let anyone tell you any different. I'm sure they know. I mean i tell myself every day could the door that leads outside. Not today you're smart enough and gosh darn it people like you but you just can't having my mom on the poco go the opposite anyway. Don't get enough water hydrating hydrate everybody. I have plenty. And i'm sure it'll be gone within two minutes because of all the shenanigans. We're just gonna talk about hair for the next fifty minutes. Actually what we're talk about both hours and the for many aliens you mean ration griffin and that's my segue a click meet exactly. That's how we do it around these parts avenue. Of course we're all going to be playing a we're going to be talking about rationing clank. Which we've all played we all as far as i'm aware have rolled credits on it and we'll be diving into the game. Play the story The visuals the audio the accessibility. All of what. We've gotten to play of course while keeping spoiler free for the later bits of the game so you can all injury at don't want hear anything. Turn this off and listen after you've played but we hope you'll stick around and listen. I did of course to start off by mentioning. I reviewed rushing friday and you can check out my full review on idea in written form as well as video on there and youtube which was edited by mark medina. Who's right here with us. Go check out that video. It is a phenomenally edited edited video review marketed. An awesome job. So thank you for putting together but yeah definitely recommend you check that out but just to give a quick overview in case wondering i ended up giving it a nine. I really loved it. I've been a fan of russian clank since the original games. Play the original trilogy back on. Ps tune of kind of been with it. Since then i thought this one is probably the best playing of the whole franchise. I think it's one of the best playing sorta action platformer that played in some time. I think the the arsenal of weapons is a really really great. Load out for the series. There's definitely some of my favorites. That aren't there but there's a lot of like new favorites for me as well but i think the big things as aps five dedicated five exclusive. It is ridiculously pretty game. Like this is definitely the prettiest. Ps five game. Probably one of the prettiest games. I've ever played in general and the but it's backed by a pretty meaningful story. I think the game does a really great job of getting to some surprisingly emotional places. It's still really really funny. Like if you're someone who loves the humor ratchet and clank. I think it's still there. And i think it's still very funny. Approachable for all ages. Funny but i think the the story that they set up especially with ratchet and clank sort of throw line from from where this picks up after into the nexus. But even if you don't know about that. I think it's still introduces everything. Really well and the introduction of rivet and some other characters i think is just so all done i think jennifer hale as rivet is phenomenal. And i can't imagine this franchise without her like. I think it would be very strange to start adding too many names to these. Titles and calling it ratchet and clank in written three other people's names but like to me rivet as is as integral now to this franchise has ratchet and clank. And i hope she's around for some time because i really really enjoyed the character. Work there but Yeah that's sort of a brief ish. Ub check out my full review on jan. but i want to hear from all of you Especially because i wrote thousands of words about it so that people can read all that. I want to hear from all of you about sort of the game in general your brief thoughts and so before we get into specifics of things simonov. I'll start with you. What sort of your general thoughts on ripped apart. I would have given a three. Yeah no it's it's very Off the phone is like you said is bread and that kind of insomniac of as close as they can perfected the formula. I think of righteous client quite the action platform. You talk about is so smooth. We've rally any hiccups. Lisette the story did surprise me. It was a story though. As maybe expecting. I think the twenty sixteen marching clunk is a good story basic fairly a to be. You know exactly what the story is not much to. It's it's a basically a children's film in a game but this. She has a tender moment. Slice at river is fantastic. I enjoyed my time. If ribbit ribbit ribbit the fro action is my favorite bit slamming. Rivet probably enjoy my tyrod ratchet and yet light said jennifer is fantastic in it and yet there's just so many things about it's game but yeah the first thing you do notice is just how good it looks and i felt the twenty six raptors one of the best looking games. I played even when i went back recently to look at it. This is just one step beyond rarely. Yeah it's really impressive. I had gone back to play the twenty sixteen because of the performance patch for ps five. And yeah it was a very fun enjoyable pretty experienced but then yeah you see the step up to ripped apart and also knowing that this is just a briefing but like knowing that this is the start of the generation like this is their first dedicated. Ps five exclusive. Like what we're going to get to years from now. Real like that. What that could mean for that is really exciting. But what did you think of the game overall. Yes because this is my actually my very first ratchet game I don't have a lot of sort of ties to the to the universe. I know it's a very long running franchise. But i will say that even with that and jumping into the story. I still was able to kind of play along and actually know kind of what the majority of what was being told. Just like minus obviously any kind of special easter eggs that i didn't catch because i didn't Chance to play him before but for me this game was like and i know this sounds weird like knowing that there was a and clank movie like this feels like pixar made a video game it is gorgeous it just it plays really well. The stories fantastic like you said rivet is just a great character. I can't even now imagine. Actually this series without without either. And i'm just like now i'm gonna feel weird kind of going back to play previous racha games. And she's not in there. Jennifer hill does a fantastic job with that. And i think it like if like if astros playroom was sort of like the tech demo of what the five can do. This is what this is that but on a larger scale it's pretty much like insomniac was kind of like let's just throw everything at the ps five and just see what it can do and it's able to do a lot of all everything in spades and it looks and plays extremely well with the new five hardware and this is a true next gen game in like you said john essentially it's like it's gonna be interesting to see what the couple of years now down the line is going to be like for. Ps five games because if this is what it looks like now at the launch holy cow award. We're going to be in a in a really really fun. Ride on the playstation five generation. Yeah you know. Obviously they've been longtime partner for a while. But i think it was pretty savvy of Playstation two pick up those that indie studio. You never heard of insomniac as fulltime. I party team from the launch of the ps four. They've done spiderman remastered. Miles morales in our action and clank within six months of this console being out like kudos to them for being able to do all of that and for hitting the quality bar that they have just been hitting consistently here. It's really impressive. Work mark what about you. Obviously you didn't just edit my review of course you you've played the game. He experienced quite a bit of it. What did you think about ration clank. Yeah i'm like one trophy away from the platinum. But i've been just so busy with the room i was. I was just wondering i work. I hate the cliche of saying it does everything that the previous game does but better but like i really can't think of a better example where that's that. That's more true than with this story. Gameplay visuals obviously there's console generation there are there is nothing that ripped apart does that is worse than two thousand sixteen. It does everything dramatically better. It's a little hyperbolic but a few people on staff have been asking like. Hey so how's ripped apart compared to twenty sixteen. I'm like ripped apart. Makes twenty sixteen. Looks like a look like absolute garbage like fool dramatic but reservoirs the freeze just threes. Ronnie has gotten you to say this. But i should have talked to but yeah no twenty. Sixteen is a fantastic game win. We did a white elephant at gm and gave that was my gift was twenty sixteen and people were like fighting over it. I love that game. And i wanted so many people to play it So to get ripped apart and just to have everything about it. Just be just scaled up to eleven is. It was a joy to play from start to finish. I love this game a lot. I would have given it a twelve whatever well staples improbable discussions over broken the scale. Yeah i guess for reference because that seems to be some discussions. Go i didn't. I felt a amazing made sense for this one. I really really loved the game. Overall i think some of the stuff loses a little bit of the momentum specifically the Spills that you can hop on the back of that are these space logs essentially and you can chase them around. I don't think they control super bowl. And i never really found those portions of the game fund. They're not again the foundational part of the game but they pop up often enough that i never really enjoyed them when they did show up. There's there's a few other little side bits like that where it didn't quite land as well as the rest of the game did for me but that's just because the the the parts that do land solar at such a high bar that they just quite didn't landon. I almost wish they like word. They're like. I wish there was another way to get through the level of that point. But i wouldn't actually a three. That was a lie or wealth. Because you can't a or nine. Probably i would similar with you. Think jonathan some of the science stuff does let it down slightly. I think the main campaign is great. That's a good probably la eight hours playing normally. probably. I recognise. Probably speed on this game about three. If you want it will quicker. Mark probably knows more about that than they just the skip. Cut scene options. So you get a pretty quick now. go ahead you will one trophy away from the platinum. I got the platinum in about fifteen hours. Which is quite short for a aaa game. But i also didn't really mind because i would. I don't mind insomnia making a fifteen hour game once if this inspired. I'm happy that. I'm doing ralph the game every three years. Yeah i think in my review and i had placed things. I was at ninety percent in about sixteen hours total but that was also a lot of time spent in photo mode and a lot of time just like a a way to make the the hunt for collectibles. A little bit easier without spoiling too much. But i didn't find that thing for a little bit. And so i was definitely searching a bit here and there for extra time but yeah i think i wrapped everything up in under twenty hours. I'm on my challenge mode run and having a blast with it and challenge does return and without saying too much. It's kind of what you would expect from a rushing challenge mode but i i am fully enjoying my second playthrough platinum. But i'm just having fun. Upgrading the weapons. Even more just exploring these worlds again like it it. It is just such a fun. Joyous thing to be going through the experience of it and i want to sort of get into the the nuts and bolts of this entire game in. That's another platforming franchise for you and not the most beloved entry in that badger series. So you're in charge of hiring for your company need help making your shortlist of quality candidates. It's like you're looking for new members to join your party in an rpg. You need a hiring partner. Who makes your life easier. You need indeed indeed. 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Seventy five dollars sponsored job credit to upgrade your job post at dot com slash beyond get a seventy five dollars credit at indeed dot com slash beyond indeed dot com slash beyond offer valid through june thirtieth terms and conditions apply. But i do want to get into sort of the nitty gritty of it. All and i start off on the graphical audio side of it. I wanna hear from all of you but just to give a sense of it. I think as we've been saying like this is just a crazy pretty game. And i do think i think mark mothers bows score is really great. It basically sounds like he did another ragnarok score which. I'm all for because i love that score. I think the three d audio us comes off very well but they they use it specifically once in game play early on which you've seen in the state of play for everyone out there and then this is a really get after that in terms of a mechanic but but time what did you think of it just on the presentation level of like how to these simul so all for the scores. Well someone's folks if you were making terrible puns. On a us everyone yet. The music did stand out to me. Alive was just come there. It was just like space roku times it was electro simple at times. I really enjoyed it. I like you said it. Remind me thor ragnarok olov elements this game to your mommy full record at times and nuts never a bad thing for me so on a sound level and the free audio headphones on his own. Just sounds amazing. You always know where we're going to be which you know it's not challenging game in the world not not me anyway but not that maybe it was. Yeah yeah i'm going forward. He before is just absolutely stunning. I don't know what more you can really say about how good it looks apart from. If you've seen any trailers in this game you know how good this looks. I mean you don't need to be told early. Yeah it's it's pretty apparent from from the gameplay there sean but steve. I i want to get into a little bit. We were talking a little bit before the show like how much can be going on at on screen at sometimes and obviously talking about the the volume of stuff going on. How was the experience from you. Just in general. How do you feel because i want to get into it throughout the show but you know. Obviously you've done a lot of fantastic work with the accessibility community with gaming. How did you feel this balanced accessibility options for visual audio aspects of the game. Yes oh i mean. Insomniacs had a really good history with their accessibility journey As far as like as miles and in the remastered version spiderman actually even going to the original spider. There was some pretty decent accessibility options that we had not seen in the community before which was really cool so insomniac. We knew going in the bay cared about accessibility. And in that sort of sounds like there is a lot that's That's here in regards to sort of the graphics and audio there is moments in this where there is a lot happening on screen especially in a combat scenario where it's like there's just a lot of effects happening. There's a lot of enemies that are around you. And they can and they can can swarm you pretty quick and so for cognitive accessibility aspect. That can be a lot but there are certain options that can be able to help. There are high contrast modes which they kind of took from their own For miles morales spiderman but then also Looks like the kind of took some pages out of naughty dog's for the last of us when it comes i contrast where you can actually be able to turn off the background in sort of like a muted sort of black and white and you can sort of have a shaded color for yourself or any enemies or anything you can interact or or basically destroy like any of the crates and stuff like that and that can definitely help eliminate a lot of the noise that is happening. It's beautiful noise but it's still to be for for some Can be a lot of even for myself with visual disability. It can definitely be too much so having that high contrast mode is great. And you can customize that actually even further than what last of us did they were able to in this able to sort of kind of you can turn off and on certain aspects if you want to have high contrast mode but you don't wanna had the black and white sort of background you can. You can have. That be turned off or turned on but also as well. You can have your character whether you're playing as as ratchet ores rivet. You can have that where you don't need to have. High contrast color turned on which is really great and then you can also be able to adjust the colors of certain things so certain colors. Stand out to you. More you can customize the colors for each of the either enemies or things you interact with the game which is really neat audio is i was able to play a lot with the three d audio headphones That are provided by sony and it helps a lot for someone like myself was blind low vision. Three d audio is really really helpful because aid allows for a lot of immersion but then also it does help for knowing where enemies are at any given point even with a lot of things that are happening on screen. Having that knowing that there's an enemies behind you in the three. Three d spatial audio space is really really great and i think it's definitely insomniac. Should be applauded for being able to kind of take care. And into their and again also the soundtrack l. I love it as well. It's weird that essentially the guy who wrote the song whip it essentially elected compose this entire game. Which is really really great. So yeah it's just it's definitely gorgeous but it can definitely be a lot on screen and actually i will mention one sort of featured that essentially the only way i've been able to play this is there are ways to to adjust the game speed and i think you mentioned in in in sort of the preview. When you saw they mentioned it is actually helped me out so much. I basically had a thirty percent game speed turned on. Were like it. Could down the game. That i was able to go into combat situations where i was able to knock anyone out and also like being able to dodge missiles which is something that in this kind of a game. I usually very terrible at and being able to dodge like pulse beams or just missiles just because of the game speed was able to be slowed down enough that because without it. It's frantic if you're not moving. You're pretty much you're gonna die really quickly but with this it was like it was just enough of a slowdown that i was able to get past certain parts including like this beetle areas where you're having an ultra fast chase sequences and grinding on rails and stuff like that like that helps so much that that's probably the one feature used throughout the entire game And it doesn't even as far as i was able to tell it doesn't even sacrifice frame rate for that. Either it really does should sir showcase the power of the ps five and that. I didn't really notice any frame drop offs Like in my sort of play through even when there's a lot happening on screen probably might have been and maybe i just didn't notice but for me it didn't feel like that. It was slowing down in parts or stuttering in sports because the games be was turned on so graphics and audio was fantastic. Yeah that's really great to hear. I did want to get into the game speed option when we talk about gameplay do but that's really good to hear because he i i it feels like the biggest possible like really new addition like you were saying it seems like i was trying to go through the options as much as possible. Just just to get a sense of what was there. And i think you're totally right. There's very clearly like some learning going back and forth between the sony studios which i appreciate where like the last of a strides that were made and learning. Something's here learning some things for what they did was spiderman and putting that forward i the the feels like a really foundational step forward and the fact that as you were saying like doesn't sacrifice the look of the game it doesn't sacrifice people's options to earn trophies and things like that but it just makes that stuff more manageable especially when battles are bigger than they've ever been in the series where there's more enemies at the time than ever before. It's it's nice that that at least for you didn't feel like it was sacrificing the experience in anyway. Oh he's actually was able to. I was able to enjoy it a lot more because of that. And that's something to like trophy thing i. I'm about sixty one percent completion for for trophies. Right now and some games are kind of been. The only ones that i've been close to getting platinum platinum marvel spiderman. That was the very first game. I ever got platinum trophy in. I have one trophy away from for miles to get platinum. And i think actually this one sort of an expert so does trophies in a way. That are approachable are not hugely skill base that it may be possible to build to not only accessibility angle but also be able to like you if you wanna go platinum. There's definitely that possibility in there Depending on which spectrum the disability maybe an yeah which is awesome to say especially as someone who really loves talking about trophy hunting. I did want to get. I know you said you played a little bit of and mark. You did as well. And so i want to ask a little bit asthma recording. I'll i'll have impressions review. But i haven't gotten to play with the The performance modes outside of the standard fidelity mode which is the thirty frames per second for k. Retracing on and all that sort of mode what has the experience and markle start with you been for the other visual fidelity modes that they've had in their. Yeah so they're they're. They're very similar to miles morales. Miles morales launched with a performance mode. And then eventually came with the performance ray tracing mode this game luckily is launching with both of those modes so behind me. I have a four k led tv. And i i will tell you that in my old age pay all that stuff doesn't really like blow my brain apart. I'm way more about frame. Rate i if i wasn't a playstation gamer. It's because i'm a pc gamer. So i'm used to playing most games at like hundred forty four hertz or 165 hurts so me. I'm all about frame rate. And when i swear we didn't get to play a lot of the game in any fidelity mode because the patch wasn't out yet and they just released the patch over the weekend so i jumped it. I tried performance mode. Which is like i said. So there's performance mode. Which is it tries to keep the resolution up while giving you sixty per second to me. I felt like that was kind of the worst mode of. Because you're you're you're just keeping resolution to me. It was kinda like me. But then there's the performance ray tracing mode so then that lowers the resolution even more but and it's still a variable resolution but then keeps on ray tracing and to me that is the absolute best way to play the game if you can because it's like it's still looks super shiny. You still see all the reflections but that sixty fps in a game like this where the action is all over the place. I will say. I have a little bit of trouble going back to fidelity mode because most of the review won't actually captured infidelity mode. And so i. I did a little bit of capture in the performance. Rt and had to go back down fidelity mode. And i was like. Oh these thirty frames man. Get a game like this where it's like it's so action orientated. That sixty fps to me is like it. It's super needed. And then also just like input. Delay the game. Just feel so much better when you're running at sixty fps versus versus thirty. So i will say if you're not incredibly sensitive to four k stuff like me. I can barely tell the difference. I can definitely tell the difference between thirty and sixty and performance ray. Tracing is my recommended way to play this game. I'm i'm definitely excited to jump into it. I'll be honest with you before this generation began. I was very much someone who having really never played anything on. Pc and just accepting games as they were offered to me on on consoles was like. I don't understand why people care about frame rates. I think this is silly. I want it to look as pretty as possible but all the real with you anytime. i've gotten a game that plays sixty frames on a ps five man. It's hard to go back to the game and non sixty frames per second. So i i get it now i understand. You said you've been able to play a little bit around with these or my incorrect to play around with performance mode to a little bit over the weekend and i definitely agree like it's thing that like sort of fixed sort of sixty frames definitely helps and it will actually also improve. If you're playing the game in slower game speed it definitely kind of makes a little bit more smoother not to say. A previous mode wasn't smooth. It kind of adds that extra bit of frame rate which is really really great to be able to see and i think for me the yeah. I'm the same. It's like visually impaired. It's like four ks cool Retracing looks better for me. Because at least it's something that i can actually see a sort of the pixel fidelity that comes into four k. Never understood sort of that aspect. We never want like salivating over it. But to me like ray tracing. That's like that actually looks really cool. I love seeing the reflections and sort of the different sort of lighting effects that are throughout the entire game especially even with your weapons. You're a lighted effectual. Which looks really cool and having that in sixty frames it. Just it's like. I was like okay. This is what i wanted to build the play. The full game in an all the times on go back and try to be able to play more of it And challenge mode and just kind of like a really saturate myself in the in in the sixty frames. goodness yeah. I'm definitely excited to jump into for food. Run as well and you were talking a little bit about the weapons. And so i want to transition to talking a little bit about game play for sure. I think we'll probably keep things relatively light on a story for now since people experience for themselves but i in terms of the game play. Yeah as i had mentioned. I think this is probably one of my favorite arsenals. I know i'm. I'm a bit more familiar with the series then the rest of the panel so in in general. I think this is a really really solid lineup of fashion client. There are definitely some of my favorites including some in the two thousand sixteen game but don't return But there's new stuff in here. As i mentioned my review. Like the topiary sprinkler. I think is just wonderful to turn all of your enemies into plants. I think as much as i miss having zircon with you mr fungi. Not just because of the name is a really great addition as well. But i want to hear from all these sort of on the mechanical side and just enjoyed the most in the lineup. Simon i'll start with you over some of your favorite weapons and well as well as being a chaos boy. I'm just. I was a show up on boy for most of the time. Look especially once you upgrade at that like the matt damage you can do especially to just a horde of light ten minutes let you can pretty much bubble the because the way. You cannot graded spacey. Make explode three or four times in a row which one pressburger is very satisfying are really enjoyed. The head hunters. Well just because if you can landau headshots on some of the bigger enemies makes light work of them very easily enjoyed that and it slows down time and that always just looks cool. Doesn't it so those are probably my two favorites surprising the game play word that clank sections because in the two thousand sixteen game. I the klang sections weren't great. They were every time. I in count one of those. Let me get through this next bit please. Of course what's not pay to the two thousand sixteen version. And i just thought they were just a lot more interesting. There's no combat really as clients. You're just doing pure puzzles. And i they get fairly complex near the end. They never like to too difficult there. There were good level and pecentage price. How good the puzzle. Bits of the puzzle platforming where at times. Yeah these are definitely just for some context. I think the these are much more. Active of some of the ps three ratchet clank games in terms of what the client levels do and i i really love when they when they bring stuff with client commit more it to the forefront of the fold because some of the some of the stuff in two thousand sixteen and obviously it was a little bit hindered by being a remake of the original to a certain extent. It works find enough in the context of it but it. It's rather unremarkable there. But yeah these puzzles. I think are more clever and play a little bit more to what they've done with. Clanking the pat. I really love and like honestly if you just kinda wish. There were more of them. If there had been like five or six more of those. I would've. I wouldn't say there's a new. That's the sections of a glitch. An kinda turned into the clank equivalent of the two thousand sixteen version for me whereas like can we move on from this piece. Because i didn't think i personally didn't think sections were very interesting. I know other people may a force on those bits as well so that we can talk about in my review. I love the glitch sections for glitch. I think the robots characterize eighties phenomenal or piece of software. I think is really well executed on a personality level. But i agree the are rather simplistic and don't really escalate in an interesting way. They just sort of isn't escalate to be more more enemies thrown at you and not in a way that is like clever to figure out how to get through see. How did you feel about the glacier sections the glitz section. I think it was probably like the surprisingly most charming aspect of the game wants to kind of get to sort of know the personality of glitch. It was like all. I just want glitz to be my friend. Do and it's like the. Yeah you're right. The game play of it is is a little bit repetitive. As as you go in there is like a little bit of esscalation. But you're right. It's just kind of like it's just more More to do without repetitive. Of it. And i will say there is definitely going to be a little bit of an accessibility issue with it in that there because of without really spoiling too much essentially you're having to be able to like climb up walls and ceilings and that might disoriented you if you're prone to motion sickness and that that's the core mechanic of that section so in there are sort of like motion sickness. Kind of like settings you can able to on a if you're if you're prone to that but usually stuff like cameron shake in motion blur that can be turned off but that can like for me was. Can the camera can be a little bit disorienting. When when you're having to be able to do those actions i will say still. It's probably my favorite sort of like little like throughout the entire game. It was really cool but yeah and then going back to the to the weapons. I usually whenever. I'm playing games that have multiple different sort of like really crazy wacky weapons. I usually find like one or two. That are just kind of like my twos. Then anytime like. I run out of ammo for those. I'll just switch to whatever's available and just be like okay. I need to build able to get past the section. just whatever and i've got laughed loud. Figure it out. But this is the first game that i actually was to utilize in pretty much. Every combat situation pretty much a majority of the weapon arsenal that i had the most were the executor. That's sort of my gay kind of like a lightning shotgun a lot when you're having enemies kind of like around you all the time And i shouted bomb was definitely one warmonger was was another one and i think I i i try to build to use. It was like that one was a little bit difficult for me visually. But i was able to. I think probably the one. I enjoyed the most anytime i used. It was the ricochet which essentially like you shoot a little little tiny little robot thing that will just keep hitting the bouncing back and forth of the enemy that you're shooting against which is like it was kind of fun just to kind of like watching a little animated of dislike again. There's a lot there. There's a lot happening that if if it wasn't forced on the accessibility options that were there. I probably would not have enjoyed his game as much as i did. And a lot of times actually generally when. There's accessibility stuff. I i use them for for quite a bit and sometimes it's like but usually if i don't necessarily need to be able to use them as much when i'm when i'm playing a case in point. Essentially they make a lot accessibility options. I use the kind of make the game played a little bit more comfortable. So i can actually be able to lean back and actually able to play. But this is a one of those games that in order for me to be able to get past sections. I had to use accessibility options. And i think in a way that like is good and also can be bad especially for accessibility. Well i think we'll get touch into a little bit. But essentially there can be like the game play aspect of. It is probably still for me. Platforming is still hard to do. But there's enough in here. That i mean i was able to roll credits and for me. That is actually rare to build to actually roll credits on a game especially nowadays So for me. I think that that game play was just. It's it's good. But there's definitely stuff that i absolutely needed in order to get past a lot of the sections in the game. I turn and yeah i wanted to do more of a deep dive and look at the game. Play at large and how those options did didn't really contributed to stop with mark. I do wanna touch on briefly. Your thoughts on the weapons and also. I think that. I love the added to the review. Was the showing some of the dual sense examples of the way it was reverberating on the triggers and whatnot. What did you think of the weapons in general and what did you think of. The dual sends implementation. Yeah it's it's kind of strange. It's something i never thought about. Wanting to add to a review especially because of the custom capture it takes them setting up amer and stuff like that. But yeah i agree with steve i. The record was my favorite weapon early on also. I think it's really overpowered early on. Because not only does it. Hurt them a lot. Because of the homing damage but it also staggers them. But yeah it's the spot weapon where you shoot it. And once a hits them it turns into this opens up and turns this white little ball and then you push the trigger again him again and it becomes this dance of a. You know trying to stay where you are dodge kind of move around not get hit but then you're also like actually doesn't even look like you're it's weird to show the game play of it because you don't see that in the background you're using this gun that's kinda bouncing off the background when you're looking at the game play. You just see ratchet kind of jumping around and you're like no. There's i'm shooting a gun. Trust me it's just hit macaroni. And you don't see it. But yeah the reason i felt it was really important in the review. Reviewed actually show. That is because you mentioned about how the pistols feel it. And you do your shooting. The burst pistol. That you see on screen and you feel that in the controller you feel that dick and so in the can't wait for someone to sound byte that out when you when you do the ricochet when you shoot it you can just mash the trigger if you want. But the dole makes a little bit of a sound effects. It does a little bit of a bleep or whatever. And that's when you're supposed to pull the trigger. And so i felt important. Show that not only are the sounds in the game amazing but the controller itself also has a lot going on as well like every time you dash you. Hear a little bit of a wash from the controller. It's it's funny. We were talking about audio earlier and so for two reasons. I didn't play with the three d audio because when you play with three d audio it doesn't capture properly because it's trying to. It's trying to come through on seven different channels and that doesn't make for good video editing and then also something to be said that if you don't have headphones don't want to you'll be able to hear all the things. The dole sense is doing as well. and so. that's that's a nice little treat of the shea super overpower. Get it as early as you can. I agree level. That thing up quickly. But you're totally right. It's that weird balance of. I think three d audio is a really really great addition. But i do like when the speaker is used on the controller and fund ways like. I don't want it to be too overwhelming because it can be a little distracting sometimes to hear from your controller when you're focused on what's happening on screen but the the touches like the ricochet i feel like aren't intrusive but a nice little addition as you were saying for like the timing mechanic of it but yeah the the three audio general i definitely recommend like i played a bit of the game as well just on my tv speakers and my sound system just to get a sense of that as well if you're playing the game that way. You're not in for a bad audio experience. In any way like does still sound great. The soundtrack still comes through. It's pretty well-balanced but yeah if you have a chance to listen with three d audio. Both in terms of like game played benefit and just a listening benefit. It's really worth hearing the way they bring these planets alive off her. I want to reiterate that. It's it's so funny like when you when we play games during review periods there often is stipulations. On how we have to play you. Don't you know this is a first world problems to complain about how we have to play a game but like sure my preferred way to play this game would be sixty. Fps performance ray. Tracing with my pulse headset during the review period i had to play infidelity with with just the speakers and i still love the game so that should tell you how great actually is made it. Where the challenge mode. I'm like i can't wait to jump in because there are so many there's a whole different side of this game. I haven't got to try it. Yeah you you still wanna give it a twelve despite having not even played a second. I play performance ray. Tracing that's when bumped it up to a twelve three sixty s just like simon. I was. I was at three nine other points. That's how how y'all admit. This is how games for second points. That's on how many frame rates are getting and that's how the review scores go. Every game started a three. We're down or up from there depending on the frame rate. But no yeah. There are a lot of different ways to be able to experience the game. But i do think all work very well and i think insomniac has done a great job for if you are listening with. Three d audio enabled headphones. If you're not you'll still get a really great experience if you're playing and listening to the audio the the sense feedback on It's really fun. But i think if you take off awesome. I'm glad there are options. And i really had a conversation about this in the coming out steve. So forgive me. If i'm wrong but early system set levels where you can say what you want the sort of rumble feedback to be when you go into games correct. Yes yes so system settings you can go in and adjust the intensity of the feedback or also the adaptive triggers The intensity for For that as well not old work within any game that you play. Yeah and so. If you're someone who needs to turn off at stuff because it can be a lot of feedback it's definitely. I don't think any weapon is as tough as the shotgun and some the rifle in resident evil village as a recent example. Where i i needed to go to the gym to be able to pull the trigger back. Sometimes it felt like but here there is a lot of feedback especially as you're switching between weapons constantly but if you if you need to turn that stuff off you still have a really great awesome showcase of weapons going on onscreen seeing a lot of stuff there. There's a lot of gameplay stuff. I want to touch on running a little short on time so i do want to mention. Because it's something we haven't touched on. Though is the the rifts in sort of the multidimensional nature of the game. I think obviously will will save story stuff and spoilers for for people to be able to see the themselves but the rifts are for those who are wondering essentially throughout the game either in combat or platforming scenarios there will be risks that are apparent out in the world that you need to be within the correct proximity to essentially like zip line to pull the world towards you These can be used to let you get around the battlefield easily to let you get to a place to get a collectible to get to the next section of the story. what not. they're not something that you can just put out a rift and go wherever you want. it's not like a portal sort of scenario well-defined places. But they also come up within the story and you'll be unexpectedly thrown between different locations actually the optional. Riffs that you can jump into to collect some side content of marcus to go back in reverse order. I'll start with you. What did you think of the rift addition to the game in general did you did you end up using them. A lot in combat Beyond the required areas he needed to use it or did you leave them to the side. No i use them a lot. They're awesome visually there. It's so at first. You're like wow. That's wild and the new eventually get used to it but yeah you know. It's essentially a hook shot. You know you you see something you tether to it and you pull you pull yourself towards it where yeah like you said instead. You're you're pulling the world to use the character itself really isn't moving it all she jumps up you see at tether on and then you just pull the world to you. So visually really really cool. I do wish there was a little bit more of them to be honest with you. They they don't show up. They show up pretty often. And i would love to show have them show up almost in every combat scenario because it really adds a dynamic to the combat that is otherwise missed. The other thing i really liked about there are different types. There are times where you you look at something like if it were hook shot you look and you think oh their stuff in the way if i can see and it says i can target onto it but if i try to hook into it you feel like you're going to run into those things and it's not going to let you but because of how the risks work you're pulling yourself through it instead you miss all that yeah. I love them a lot. I wish there was more of them. There is a lot of them fair enough us. What did you think of the titular rifts of ripped apart i think it's actually it's a really cool mechanic and enough for me that i was able to kind of get out of the way if i'm being overwhelmed by enemies but i agree with mark essentially. It's like there there is a lot. I wish there was more because being. It's kind of kind of put them into different sort of like platforms and different sort of levels in in your combat sort of zone. That i kind of like are able to kind of pretty easily build kind of get away. I used a lot of them. Kind of definitely near the end Just because it just when things start to kind of get escalate which helps so much and in a way. It's a really cool sort of like mechanic a lot of like like. Ps five behind the scenes. Kung-fu like code comfort to be able to do all that. And it really does showcase a lot of kind of what the five can do. Especially when you're having to be able to like jump between areas of the world and it's just like yeah you're right it just feels like the world's coming to you and said you go into it and a. It's a definitely a technical achievement. And i love to build a see like a breakdown behind the scenes like how they are able to accomplish that I know it's sort of like the that particular mechanic may not be necessarily new two games to like to be able to do it on this scale in and actually work really well and really fast a low yield to know what like how they how they went about making that because it was really really fun. Yeah it's it's really cool and really has to be hopeful that eventually if not in maybe the next one but at some point we see some spiderman multi-diverse shenanigans at some point. Simon what did you think of the refs in riffing on a similar page to everyone else let. I really enjoyed them. I just wish there was more of them. I wish i wish there were more dynamic. And they weren't inset places in each arena. Just pop up here and there and you can. They'll take you to a different place. Each time. That kind of in the same tool free spots in every arena. So you know where they're going to be not a wish. That was a bit more randomness to it. But i think she enjoyed the merger in the platform more on rail sections normally. I'm not a big fan of on royal sections in games but in this game they do it so well the kind of taken some of those great like spiderman big action moments kind of rivaling on cello it for some of those as well. One of my favorite moments in the game is thing in one of the trailers you see a giant robot unlike edessa looking planet. I think that's my favorite moment in the game and there's a couple of the game which is another great setpiece like there's some amazing set piece in this game and just how they use the rifts and there's some really clever stuff is the dimensions as well like there's a couple of levels in the game. Which kind of riff off the effects and calls mission from time full to if you're familiar with will crack in the slob if you're a dishonor fan the kind of doing that ben. That's quite clever. Ads bit more not not necessarily puzzle to because it's quite obvious what you need to do but i. I wanted them to do that. When they first announced the rift in the dimensional stuff. And i'm glad got it. 'cause yeah there are definitely some morals that use the ideas on display about. Without spoiling i do think are some of the best use i. I'm pretty agree with all of you. I think it's like it's a really great first. Iteration of it. And i i just wanted more. And now that they've kind of shown this proof of concept whether or not they do it again with ratchet whether they spiderman or find some other us. I hope we see them this mechanic because i think it's a really great concept and idea. We're unfortunately running a little short on time. So we'll have to wrap up in just a second but stephen moore talking overall. I did want just make sure that we sort of covered the gamut on the excuse me. I'm losing my voice. I'm the accessibility topics not had enough coffee this morning. Because i do think it's important to see some of the strengths that they're making an end the stuff that they're working on but was there anything that felt a little bit lacking for you in terms of what they they could've done here. Hope hope that you hope they can aerate on in the future. Yeah i think that there is definitely a lot there if you're kind of looking for the breadth of options that say something like the last of us to had. There's definitely a lot of that. There are certain to kind of see games that have a lot of options in there but it would be like. That's kind of part of the accessibility picture. You generally options are great but you have to kind of have accessibility. Part of the design of the game from the very beginning in order to build kind of make it possible where options aren't necessarily a needed as much. But it's there. If i if if you need to kind of adjusted or tweak it or customize it i think in this particular game. They're definitely going to be some sort of some gaps in the disability spectrums whether it's from hearing cognitive motor are blind low vision that are going to be definitely some dealbreakers for some however is sort of kind of been disabled to describe it. There's a lot of nuts and bolts. There i just hope that insomniac will go in and tighten them a little bit just to kind of make it a little bit more accessible experience like we've within day one patch that was actually even more accessibility options that they added in. That actually does help. And even some of my friends who played it that essentially. It's helped them to be able to kind of get past. Certain parts of the day found difficult. And i just hope that essentially insomniac. We'll be able to do more and add more updates as they go with more accessibility. Because there's a lot of really great stuff there. And i think that this game is a definite recommend from accessibility standpoint issues. They won't be able to hit every single thing. That other games have been able to do so. I hope that insomniac. We'll be able to kind of do that in progress on it because this is a game that definitely should be played one hundred percent. If if you're if you're able to get your hands on a ps five of course. Yeah the the biggest caveat of all the for for our audience of course. Not everyone out there listening to podcasts beyond has a playstation five. And don't worry we'll be back next week talking about a wider spectrum of ps four nps five topics but with russian inclined. Coming out this friday. Want to make sure we covered our bases on it We're unfortunately out of time. But there's so much more to discuss with this game. I feel like at some point. We need to spoiler castro certain extent to get into the nitty gritty of it. All but i. I really appreciate you all taking the time to talk with me about. Regine client You can see all of our full coverage not just my review but a ton more content on idea dot com as well covering a wider gamut of deep dive into some of the features on the game Some of the weapons performance reviews of the visual showcase options that you have there and a lot more so please go check all of that stuff out. of course you can find us all over the internet. You can find us all on twitter. I'm at jam dornbush. Simon is at cardi. Simon steve is at steve. Sailer and marcus at mark underscore medina anything in particular that the three of simon. I'll start with you. Wanna plug any worker any out in particular cinco love a couple of features going up this week thing if you want to see old. Twenty weapons and action. Before he played the game that will come out in the next twenty twenty days in the next two days even twenty days yet. Keep jean francois summer game and stuff and every friday. I'm on the uk focused so if not why don't you go look out for simon's work before the end of june. What about you anything. You wanna point people. Yes so on. My youtube channel youtube dot com slash no-ball. I have a very jam-packed accessibility review. I have a conversation with gordon craven. Can i play that and stacey jenkins whose cognitive accessibility specialist. We go in through really in depth than the acceptability of it and then i actually will have as well sometime hopefully this week. I'll actually have an interview with the game director from. I'm talking about accessibility. And that's all gonna be on my youtube channel. Youtube dot com slash. No-ball yes that is the actual euro. I count since two thousand and five. That is impressive. I i need to talk to you about the banking on accounts that i made the future. That's very good russia. Go go check these work and yes shutout to can. I play a fantastic work as well. Mark anything you wanna point people toward of course other than your fantastic video cut for the rich watch. Watch the ripped apart review. That was my weekend and we tried to do as many special out of the box kind of things things that i was messaging bush over the weekend. I'm like they're either going to like this or they're going to tell me to cut it but that's how you know you're making a good video and taking risks is when you're pretty sure there's at least four things in it that they'll wanna cut and Shocker they didn't cut any of them. So i did my job. There also eat three. Is this weekend holy smokes. So i'll be on a few panels here and there for that. Please be excited for three because we missed it last year and it looks like it's going to be super super good this year and we'll have a ton of coverage and i don't summer of gaming on aegean all all summer long but especially tune in for for the following days for a ton of coverage of all the crazy events happening in the days to come but anyway with that. Thank you all so much for joining me for this week's episode of podcast beyond thank you as always to read our producer for making the show happen and thank you to everyone out there listening and watching. We hope that you're safe. And we hope you're well and as always beyond beyond beyond.

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Breaking Down Recent PS4, PS5 Release Dates and Delays - Beyond Episode 712

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Breaking Down Recent PS4, PS5 Release Dates and Delays - Beyond Episode 712

"Yawned and hello everyone. My name is jonathan dornbush and this podcast beyond episode seven hundred and twelve of weekly playstation show covering all the latest and greatest in the world of playstation until they announce things that we then have to catch up with next week. But it happens anyway. I of course am host for this week Lucy o'brien is currently still off in new zealand. I assume hanging out in hobbiton as everyone does when they go to new zealand. Even if they're from there Max meanwhile is hanging out on dagoba naturally learning from a master. Brian is making his way through italy. Trying to find the perfect recipe. But we have an amazing show for you this week. I'm joined by mark medina alot. Yeah i just realized this cast is. We've been simple to cast of characters. Hemingway i mean i'm including myself this is this. I'm with two people. I've never podcast is with this great. Look you're one. Half of the carpool crew. But i think even without the other half. I'm really excited to have you back on this week. Also joined for the first time on beyond by taylor lyles taylor thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. I just realized. I wear glasses. But i put my context right before we started recording. And now i feel like the odd person out because of my glasses are cast member. Tom marks is also not wearing glasses unless he puts them on midway through the show just to surprise us all now. I won't allow enough. Hello good good too happy with us as well this week. I of course you know before before the show starts recording. I do need to warn everyone. Of course we were heavy into pc gaming talk. So i don't know what's going to happen from here You know. I'm a little concerned. This has become the pc cast We'll see what happens. Probably not gonna talk. Too much about steve deck. You never know with with this wonderful group. But now i'm excited to get into. We have a lot to talk about this week. Just a very quick update that. I put it into the show for recording a because of course playstation dropped a little bit of news This wednesday morning recording today Confirming goes to see shimon legends new content. That will be coming with rectors cut which is out on august twentieth so there will be a new mode where essentially two teams of two are competing against different waves of enemies They're competing against each other but not fighting each other directly There's a few other updates about a new additions to legends mode. Some cosmetic additions a difficulty for the raid. I believe and also the fact that they are going to make legends available standalone on both for nps five for twenty dollars starting on september third. this is of course previously been available for free to all goes tsushima honors and will still be the case with the director's cut and going forward. If you have gus tissue get access to legends but you can also purchase standalone if you're not interested in one of the best amps of last generation. But if you're not you can still get there. Really cool multiplayer experience. I actually don't know if if any of the three of you have laid much of legend. I personally haven't as well. I'm i a andrew. Go far please. Don't be mad at me out there. But i'll get to win the director's cut it out. I think it's really cool to continue seeing the support that they've shown for this mode For something that This is excuse. Me sucker punches. First multiplayer mode really So to see them really dive in to give this much support for to continue to be supported. As i think is a really really cool. Move on their part and is really exciting to me. I don't know if any of you are legends fans. Tom i played a little bit of it. Not a ton. But i i have played a little bit of it and it is really cool. This sort of thing reminds me. I really like what's happened here because it reminds me of like it's kind of the antithesis of all the way a lot of multi-player games get made nowadays where like a developer just like hey we need a multiplayer thing where we need to compete with overwatch or whatever the case may be and just sort of like shoves this thing out on people were the flip of it where it was like an already fantastic single player game just got like a free update that added a mode that was sort of its own thing and people were so into it that they now are saying okay so if you are only interested in this we can let you buy it separately. I think that's like it feels more natural it feels more like it's catering to what people are actually interested in and want rather than just saying. Here's this thing that you're gonna like like if they had just like released this for twenty dollars at a alongside the original game. I don't think would-be nearly as interesting or a successful as it. Is this way where it's like. Oh yeah this is cool. An audience kind of formed for this and now they're catering to that audience Yeah i was gonna on. So i just looked and ashim still forty dollars a new at most places and so. It's like you know for to to be able to buy if you want. If you have a friend that is just like hey we want you to play this all mine mode with us twenty bucks. That's that's not overly expensive. I don't think for twenty dollars more. You can get full game but you know that's fine but it's something read did recently as well where they spun off their read that online you can get read that on line five dollars or it's free. I can't remember but it's like look just just to get people in to their online modes. They're like hey we'll just spend the soft and it'll be cheaper. I think that's cool. I think eventually the game you could probably find a physical copy of the game or around twenty bucks. It'd probably won't. It'll probably be a lot longer now. Now that it's coming out for spy the prices will probably hold for a little bit but yeah. I think it's super cool if i've also never played the modes though but everyone who has played. It seems to like it a lot. It is surprisingly robust is kind of the big takeaway from. It's not just like a dem. Selling for twenty dollars is not like a surprising thing to me. In terms of like what is available at makes sense Yeah and they were adding content after they dropped at like a rate and some new stuff as well. So it's really cool to see. By the way i looked and i did have to lie to steam and tell them i was born in nineteen three But read done. Online is currently available for twenty dollars. The five dollar thing wasn't introduced but still the rockstar. Comparison is a really good one because it does have hints of read online in gta online. Which is now more popular than gte five and not to mention to when they re re release on. Xbox series accent has nps five. They're gonna do that. Standalone release fergie. Ta online so. I think that's actually a really good comparison. But yeah i i just feel that with the way that those have done pretty well as their own. It's not surprising to me that that ghost of sushi having its own kind of like saito released for that feature now. Yeah and it's a cool precedent to see. Because obviously you know what. The last of us partout. There wasn't expectation for a while that factions or whatever factions becomes was going to watch the game and then naughty dog announced that that was laid out can be part of the full release but that they were still working on the multiplayer thing. I think the successive legend shows that a thing factions could probably stand on. Its own as well. I wouldn't be surprised if factions comes alongside. Whatever last of us are two director's cut. End up. Probably happening at some point but that the original factions was robust enough to be spun off as his own multiplayer things so i could see potentially a a similar case there with something like that but it it's really cool to see especially with You know. I think when we talk about playstation. I party studios. Multi-player is not often thing. We currently associated with them. There's obviously been multiplayer player experiences in the past So common in Grandma multiplayer in so many other things of course who could forget mag but you know it's cool to see them moving in a new direction with a little bit like a so. I'm i'm really excited to see. I'm hopeful for a continued lifer legends. And it's just a cool new part of the sucker punch sort of focus right. I'm really getting about the hottest online game right now. Playstation destruction all stars. Of course the game. We all played for one night and then uninstalled off. They did at a big update. This july i that was supposed to make a lot of improvements so actually going to go back to it Soon but unfortunately. I don't think i'd quite impacts. They probably wanted moving on from the ghost of excited to jump into the new legends content. And of course the island expansion when it comes out later in august Do want to get to a pair of delays. One rumored one can confirmed about developers. Let's start with the rumored or reported one i Late last week Sort of following up on something. We've kind of talked about the show that we feel is inevitability a bloomberg reported following up on a report from Games beat as well I believe that horizon forbidden west was being delayed out of a planned or expected anticipated hoped for holiday 2021 release date to a alleged q. one twenty twenty to release a playstation hasn't confirmed this yet as of recording. Usually the way this goes. Confirm it after we record us. Oh please feel free to laugh at us in the comments if that happens but right now we're still waiting for any sort of confirmation on that previously Herman host had said it. Back in june that a horizon been westwood's on-track to release this holiday season but didn't actually confirm a exactly state or release window for holiday so we didn't have any sort of release month or anything markle start with you on this one Especially as we've had you for so much of our horizon forbidden west coverage. I think a delay if and when it finally is confirmed if it ends up in confirmed would be surprising in the slightest based on sort of the reticence affiliation to confirm early staple what about you a at this point you can of start seeing the writing on the walls when it comes to games like this. I remember when god of war was announced in its twenty twenty one. I don't know how many people actually believed that. I think at first we were all very hopeful and then as you went and they kept having conferences and they never mentioned god of war. We still don't even know what the new games called. There was that investor call where they called it. Got four ragnarok. But that's that's they've since is said that that's not technically the name not. That's not the name but that that was not them announcing the name. And so you kinda were expecting. You're like this game coming out and twenty twenty one and then sure enough. It's like yeah this game's not coming out and so it's kind of the same thing with horizon is we. Were like his it going to actually hit this year and they did this big stage play and you're like all right. The game looks. It's looking good. But then i don't know there's so much about it when they ended this press conference and we said this in our po- show the fact that they still didn't say released a they just said holiday twenty. Twenty one mike. But you're like this is this is your blow out for the game and this is you guys saying it's like it's ready to go the fact that you can't put a date on. It was super surprising and kind of just put the nail in the coffin that it's like this probably isn't going to be so so when the reports started happening and they're almost certainly true when you hear all of these notable people hearing the same things so he's just trying to find a way to announce it and i'll usually come with something good. It'll be like you know we're going to do a big showcase and here's all this really cool stuff and then horizon. Here's a new coal trailer and then at the end and just say february twenty twenty two or something like that. That'll be their way there. I i'm not sure if you're going to get a blog roll or blog posts. That's just going to say it's delayed. I think they're going to kind of sneak it in there somewhere. That being said twenty. Twenty two shaping up to be a really really really good year for video games in general but especially for playstation if these games in two twenty twenty two which they probably will yeah a year with both horizon end. A new war is not a bad year for playstation players. On top of whatever else is going to be like swire. Tokyo and india's like stray. It's it's going to be a very good year if horizon gets pushed which. I think we're all expecting it to happen at this. Point is that it's just sort of waiting for the official reveal of that Know horizon one launched in february of two thousand seventeen and was a massive success. So i don't really think leashes probably worried about the timing in terms of like the success of forbidden west. I think it really will come down to what the team feels as feasible. You know to be able to accomplish to get past that finish line. I don't think they're going to try to push this one for the holiday. If it doesn't make sense to tom i see your your. Your hands are a little bit by your head. Is that just resting or are you in a thought process just imagining a world. I i agree with everything. Mark said this doesn't surprise me and it also is like not the end of the world if they need more time on it. The endemic affected everybody in ways. That are very unseen. And i'm sure that this has something to do with that as well The thing i was smiling about was just at this moment piece together that we now might live in a world where horizon one came out right next breath the wild one and then horizon. Two's going to come out right next breath of the wild to and like man. That's wrong that would give meds about today. Obviously that would require a lot of different things but like timing wise. Could be what we're heading that. Yeah that would be an amazing hilarious coincidence. I feel like it's probably not going to happen. I like i don't i in half of yeah. I would expect horizon toward the beginning of the year and breath of the wild to if it does happen next year which like even their wording like the wording for horizon on the inside has been loose like. I could see that something to twenty twenty three avenue. It would be really funny if like the week. Horizon comes out there like by the way. Here's the title of the next. It would be amusing if these games just never could live outside each other shadow i can. I can see them being in the same year. But i i personally don't expect the next breath of the wild until fall shedding earliest of two thousand twenty two. Because i still firmly believe not. To get all nbc. But i still firmly believe that there is a new switch and that that new switch is going to launch alongside the new zelda and we won't see that new switch until until until twenty twenty two. I'm not talking about little. I'm talking about the switch pro love course and we'll welcome to nintendo voice chat diving into the latest new temps rumors No i am just bring it back to horizon. I think in the same way that the god of war delay announcement when they said it wasn't going come in twenty twenty one really. Put the emphasis on like. Hey we want to make sure we can make this game and Make sure we're we're caring for the health of our developers who yet there's obviously still a ton of remote or happening these development teams which is not the way you know a lot of these aaa games have operated so yeah. You're still working through a lot of stuff. Go ahead and especially after last year where you had a. This is the weird thing about how the pandemic has affected game development and game releases in delays from major studios in. My mind is like last year. You had a lot of games that were got delayed. But we're so close to their release date. They felt a still needed to come out right and they had to come out because of investor pressure. Whatever you know the. I'm sure there are dozens of reasons. But then you had these high profile Like disasters of launches like avengers which was a buggy mess. Like i in my review vendors. I was like this is one of the most buggy triple games. I've played in a release in a long time. And then a couple of months later the cyberpunk one up and you had these games that were like very clearly probab- like needed more time probably because of stuff we didn't hear about with endemic for like this kind of last minute polish. That usually happens in that time was affected badly by that and now we're going into the year where games are getting pushed because developers are looking at those late twenty twenty releases as cautionary tales. And saying we're still being affected by this work from home stuff we're still being elected by this pandemic so let's just not do what happened there and let's take time we need because the writing is much more clearly on the wall. Now in terms of what will happen if you ignore those signs. So i think that some of kind of the behind the scenes stuff. This is speculation. But i think a lot of that is yeah is what's leading into stuff like this is just like unseen issues. That are coming up at. They just need the extra time. And i don't blame them. Minutes also agree not entirely a surprise. Yeah i mean it's a miracle that games with hundreds of people making them sometimes thousands in cases of things like assassins creed or other ubisoft games that they come together at all in a publishable state is incredible with how moving hands are in there. And so yeah the the way. The development pipeline has to have been demonstrably affected. I everyone being remote just the different processes and the things that have been adopted even eat like no matter. The game wasn't development. When that all. I hit they're still being impacted in the fact that so it's it's something that like. I completely sympathize with them. Having to figure out the right way to message this as well which i'm sure is not an easy thing to do but like for everyone out there. Please keep in mind just all the crazy. Things that are happening are found development right now and how difficult it is in a normal situation. Let alone right now so. I'm hoping the team can take the time they need to. If and when this delay announced as i joked on twitter when this report i happened. I'm still working my way through games from last year at this point like i've got to play. I am okay. If this fall is not including a horizon for west but teller. Where where where do you fall on. The horizon franchise actually don't know your history with e. I won in two thousand eighteen. And i really enjoyed it then. I played it again on. Ps four right. Before the pierre's five came out i liked it. It was it was definitely different. I didn't know what i was expecting going in. But i was actually really impressed with the game play. I really liked the story. I was really excited. That a sequel was announced But yeah i when they said it was still coming out in twenty twenty one and they had that showcase and they didn't even say when forbid west was coming out i was just i was wondering is like isn't really going to come in twenty twenty one or are they just saying that it's like a like a safety net so in the event that they have to delay it into next year which i feel is really plausible that. I wouldn't be surprised that did happen. That you know. I and i was just thinking about it too. I mean looking at the rest of the year. I'm just. I wondering i was like. Where could they release this in not Have to compete with multiple other different like high profile games. I feel honestly. I feel like a twenty twenty release honestly would probably be in the best interest. I also am not worried that regardless of when it releases it will sell. Well i mean it's a sequel. Everyone loves the first game. It has that reputation so it has that brand behind it but again at some point we kind of get it need to get like more of a firm release date. If it's not a twenty twenty one released date at least tells like hugh one twenty twenty two or something but yeah i. i'm. I'm just curious when this game is coming out but the pandemic all the stuff so who knows what's going on i i i'm not engaged development but i'm curious to see what sony will say in the coming weeks months about forbidden west because that's really what people are waiting for them to say like. Okay here's one it's coming out. Yeah speaking to that and and mark what you were saying before it's like we got this really big showcase for it to like we've seen gameplay whereas got four is still. We don't even have the full the game named yet at this. We are still. That is so many mysteries on top of mysteries. Khobar lack of course jokingly on twitter just says he's never heard of the game at all so god of war to me is just so much more ephemeral that horizon where it is. We have this fifteen minute. Gameplay chunk i and several other people interviewed the developers about its development like there are tangible things we can point to about this game and so yeah i think they need to just kinda rip the band aid off when this happening. The reports have been saying possibly some sort of september event where they would confirm this. We'll we'll see what happens. But i expect probably within the next month or two. Well at least get a trailer if not at least just confirmation this delay to that. Yeah if i may. I don't disagree with any of that but at the same time you gotta remember like. I don't think this is the case with forbidden. West genuinely don't like we've seen vertical slice hen. Demos of games like you know anthem that then reports came out later that said oh yeah that was all smoke and mirrors. We developed that specifically to be shown off right so again. I don't think that's necessarily the case with what we've seen a forbidden west. There have been instances where we've seen games. That look like they're done. That apparently have barely even begun proper development. So it's really hard to tell what's actually happening behind the scenes will hopefully for something like this again. Not saying that this is real but you know when you get a game place like this every every everything happens in this fifteen minutes like you. Just saw a san francisco landmark right there at lombard street and like it shows the underwater. It shows her fighting humans. It shows are fighting the big creatures and then writing something. It's it's a very curated. This is the most gameplay in fifteen minutes we can shove and obviously not every moment of this game is going to be like this new element. i i definitely don't have that worry. This game has been in development. Long time you know. The original horizon came out early. Two thousand seventeen and then frozen. Wild came out late seventeen. I think of september so yeah right and so and that was that was the game was built fresh from the ground up and this is just taking what made that game great and building upon it. But it's been in development awhile. I definitely think it's there but we're gonna talk about china right now and it's like i'm wondering if it's finally getting to that point where studios are saying like we can't he this whole crunch thing going. And if it means instead of working eighty hour weeks for a month we have to go and stay with forty hour weeks for two months. It seems like a lot of studios are just making that choice. Because i have a list here. Our outriders returnable new world. I guess new twice death loop a bunch of ubisoft games and now kina back for blood. All of these are delayed. But they're delayed like not that long and so if horizon gets delayed and it comes out in february. That's probably only like two months away. So that's that's not a lot. That's just enough to make it where they don't have to crunch hopefully. Yeah it's obviously something that you know. I think the the crunch conversation has become more and more of a important thing to keep in mind for for these development eats especially for these delays Obviously it's you can only take certain things at face value. And something like a official company statement from herman or even you know a press release statement about got being delayed and wanting them to keep in mind. The mental health and and the safety of their developers is are the reason for these delays. Obviously you have to take some things at face value but like it's good. That stuff is just in there at all. Like the fact that that is becoming heart of the reason they are saying they are delaying a game and knowing at least some of the people who are behind these games and and the way they care about a product some teams they work with. I hope does translate to as you're saying like the ability for them to ours things past the finish line at a reasonable pace and not all we need to get this thing out in november to hit you know a q. Four and year sales thing like horizon can still sell very well in the beginning of next year the developers more time gives us more time to catch up on her backlogs. I am hopeful that at whatever point comes it is at a piece that makes sense speaking that as you were saying mark. Yes we did get word. Officially the of spirits is delayed just by about a month To the end of september. I was originally going to come out in the end of august but it is now hitting on september twenty first Developers at number labs said this was specifically to polish the game across all platforms is coming for. Ps five in pc so. They're probably just wanted to make sure it's running smoothly and welcome those platforms. This is a a a small team. This is their first game. As a studio i i can understand them wanting to take the time to polish it as you were saying like. I'm more than happy to wait a month for them to be able to do so it puts it at a little bit of a somewhat quieter time rudely. The end of august is is quite busy tom. I know we've talked about this. The review side like looking ahead to everything happening reviews wise right next games. Com then of august is really busy. So i'm kind of ham. That can't yeah something we talked about previously also is like you know it's right next to that was going to be right next to second nuts too and they're obviously very different games but very similar in terms of like the type of game. I'm in the mood to play at that. Given moment right the sort of three d action platformer stories sort of thing so this is a little bit disappointing that it's getting pushed by month but absolutely just not. I don't blame them. I'm happy to have them take extra time. And i'm happy to be able to play cycads before this rather than during it's definitely i think it'll be great for them to have that little bit of wiggle room. I'll double check the release schedule but yeah right now on the playstation side. The only really really big thing at the end of september is The district directors cut death. Loop will be a little bit earlier in september. I don't think either of those games are really competing with the qena. Like crowd of of interest. They are definitely different games. The trio of them. I'll be playing all three of them. but Taylor what about you what. What is your sort of excitement level for an i know talked a little bit about it. Like off the show on fox and everything. But wh where you you're acceptable. I'm pretty excited for it. I off when i saw it. It looked amazing. I was a little worried about whether house gonna split the time. Just like tom casino psycho. What's coming out. I've been really excited to play that game. It's an over fifteen years and we're finally getting the sequel for that within. This new aim is coming out on playstation ivan other consoles and platforms. But you know. I'm glad that they're taking the time to just like polish it up a little bit big sure all versions of running good. I don't know it always makes me sad whenever i play a game. And then they're like. Oh yeah well. There's a certain version of it at doesn't run as well as the other versions. And even if i lucky enough to pick the one. That's you know optimize better. It's still always you know. Sucks to hear when people are saying. Oh yeah. I'm having issues with playing this game or things like that so i'm glad that the team is taking the time. This is their first game as you mentioned. I'm really excited to play. It looks beautiful. Am curious to know how how they're gonna take advantage of the dual sense. Because i will be playing. Ps five. but i'm also just curious. No in general like how the game is just going to just be overall. It has so much like interesting combat. just i'm emotionally invested in. just everything about it. Boasted the story just because it looks like there's a lot going forward in terms of like world building and things like that. But i am happy to wait just a little bit more just to play. This game gives me a little bit more breathing room and gives me a lot more time to play other games that casino. It's coming out at the end of september. So by then i'll probably be playing death luke finishing that probably go play debts straining because i haven't played that yet so please don't hate on me for not playing that game yet south. That will take quite some time. So yeah maybe start kim. Before you you jumping point you'll have a lot of routes to pave say kenna looks like a nice little breather game between death stranding sessions giving the that's yeah exactly joan vibe of these games looks very different. No they're actually weirdly similar. No i'm actually really excited to jump back into deaths surrounding but that'll be a conversation for later in september mark. What about you where you on. The the averse death stranding divide that i'm here to talk about channing. Yes so august. Actually doesn't really have a lot of things that are actually really excited for canada was kind of the thing. I am excited for that game. Twelve minutes on xbox. Pc so that'll that'll that'll be there. But for the most part there's not a whole lot this month and i'm really excited for maybe lawnmower simulator. That could be But I i'm not i really anything about psycho noughts and so i. I won't be playing the second one but september. Yeah i really do want to play of the two director's cuts were getting ashim and straining goes through shema as the one. I'm least excited to play. I the deal. Sea looks cool. But i don't think i'll be replaying. The game where districting. I envision i will play the entire game over again because i love that game and i've been wanting to play it so the fact that it's getting re released is great. Yeah death loop warrior. Wear something we station games. Game that i it competing with the will be competing with my time to go on new world. Just got delay. September twenty eight. September is actually shaping up to be a really really busy month for the mark medina's of the world. Everyone thinks is the lead to other mark medina and he's a sports guy he's a sportscaster and in the bay area and i'll get tweets. So what'd you think of the lakers. And i'm like ro you got the wrong guy actually talked about like i'm like yeah. He's like yeah. I get video games stuff. Oh loved yongbyon. Love john unlocked and he's like what. What are these things separately. E should meet up sometime. We should start our own podcasts. That would be great. I think i. I think the fall season overall is starting to. I know september still kinda summer. But it's like that's that's kind of the on ramp until the fall season. And i think it's starting to piece itself together and i think it's fun. I think there's going to be a lot of games for people to play keno looks amazing. But it also doesn't look super long. So i i think that's something you could probably being out in the weekend. Short games are great. But yeah. I'm finally as speaking back. So what you're saying mark. I'm just glad. Kajima is finally getting to create his vision of granting after he was hampered previously. Doesn't we don't need to go down right now. hey i am making. that joke. Is someone who really really enjoyed training. And can't wait. Actually go back to my favorite thing is that he eventually was like. Yeah that's a dumb name was my directors like it's not one hundred percent just marketing. I'm gonna absolutely play whatever. The racing sim part of that game is now. I'm very hers. Yeah it's it's exciting but Either way excited and hopeful dizzy. Whatever the ember lab team let's together with the final spirits which is a little further off. But i'm i'm very excited. Jump into that one helping to also piece together both the fall and looking ahead to next year we did also got a few other release dates that i want to briefly mention. Abby annapurna interactive showcase. The first one they've ever done debuted end of last week and we got news that solar ash which is a as far as i know right now a station platform exclusive is coming october twenty six or ps ps. Five in. This is the game from the hyper light drifter a studio that. We've seen a few times a playstation showcases previously. I and then unfortunately stray cat game is not coming until two thousand twenty two. I believe we were hoping it was gonna hit in two thousand twenty one but alas we will have to play that adorable journey next year. I'm excited for both of these though We do also know that outer walls. Dc is coming later this year. As well and tom. I know you're in outer wilde's evangelist do ana briefly jump in before i i am sure i mean this is incredibly out. If you haven't played out awhile jet so good. It is just one of the best adventure games and i mean adventure in the classic sort of story based adventure games i've ever played. I know a lot of people get turned off of it because of its flight. It's like flying controls. If you're one of those people. I would highly recommend it again because the controls are tricky but once you get a handle of them it doesn't take too long to get a little more comfort for them with them and realize it that like dying is part of it so like dying a few times while you're getting your bearings doesn't mean anything in terms of progress or like anyway. The point being the fact that they're doing for this game is incredibly surprising. Way that they're implementing it in the trailer that they put out. Looks really really cool. Just integrating it as if it was always part of the world so if you are coming back to it you can go directly to it and if you've never played you can It'll just be a seamless arnett and yet this game. There's just very little very little like outer wild. That exists in games. And i think that is so valuable so to get more of that is just super excited. Also wanna throw in. The ship does have an autopilot. But sometimes it betrays you. It is a straight line autopilot. You it's like it's it's got autopilot. If you're like okay. I see the thing but if anything in between you crash before hustle is running stop signs but that's the thing like a lot of some people may see that as a bad thing but like to me like the first time that i hit the autopilot and it got me a little too close to the sun and the gravity just pulled me in and burn me alive. I was like that's amazing. That was like a great story to me right because then you just know not to make that mistake again and you do it. You just keep going like. I don't know that was that was always a feature. Not a bug in my mom i played about. I wanna see two or three hours. When i came out believe on consoles it started with xbox. And i really really enjoyed my time with it and then just i felt like i had to really be in a guess existential mood to play it like i really needed to think about my place in the universe and the meaning of life and death so i just kinda stopped thinking about that for a little bit because i got very stressed about all the things happening in the world but i do really want to get back to it. Everything i've heard from people who play it is like generation and love for how unique the that's also very relaxing game but at the same time pretty complex. Some of those puzzles are tough. But it's also a fun you know just like you can play in a relaxing mode but like it's games got it all looking forward to it but yeah no deal is coming out later this year. I believe a stray coming in twenty twenty two not a ton to say about that except we finally got a little bit more game. Play of you jumping around as the cat. I love that you're jumping around. Is the cat and the cat scratches up the couch. Is he like a cat in pretty much every way possibly could. I thought this was an adorable slice. Of gameplay. And i i can understand why by the the cat hype. Continues to build for this game taylor. I don't know if you check out the full and apprentice showcase but was anything of those three or anything else from the show. Stand out for you or what they showed that it was. It's definitely stray. I wanted to see more of the cute cat with a backpack. It was i. I was telling this person updated how excited i was for the game. Also you play as a cat. And i'm not talking about like anthropomorphic cat links. The time supercell like you're playing is an actual cat who acts like a cat. You walk around as this cute little cat. It's it's adorable. I'm so excited. I will still patiently keep waiting for this up if they want to. Just slide the release date for next year my way like a firm one not just like an launch like a window be happy build up my hyperloop it more but i'm just excited to play. I enjoy games like this. Where i it seems like it will be monday. But it's far from it and i. I'm just excited to just play as a cat. You know because this is the closest thing that you can get to being an animal with not a whole lot of stress not worry about things like taxes and bills. So it's like this lobby to escape in that way unless you're playing attack simulator. Which i'm sure exists marquee. A you have a cornered. The market on simulators. I'm sure you can tell me if there's ever a tax simulator but that's just during your taxes there. Is this other cat. Jim that existed i. It was like pretty big and like indie ichijo where you just like run around the room and you just like you're swiping everything off the tables that so far is the best cat game. That's the game to beat. Know we'll see fucking. Let's make it happen the game whose name you can't remember the gain share care so high. Remember the games name and so good you just run around the room and you just swipe things you just hit everything off the table. That would so. I mean i know the audience and the audience knows what i'm talking about. And they know that's the game to be. That's what matters. Yeah i might not know but they based on and i have confidence. Stray might be able to live up to that game. That you all know the game that we're talking about that game we. We don't know that we don't blow but yeah very excited for that one etc for solar ash hoping to see more of that one soon but for now want to move on from there briefly on dimension For those who haven't seen it team sobe the astros playroom devs are teasing. Sort of their most ambitious game yet. They put up an official website. Now that they are an official team within playstation i due to the japan studio closures and restructurings that happened Obviously after play room was a huge success and so just wanted to mention. We'll be keeping an eye on on what they're up to following a. We don't quite know what it is yet. I hope and assume it's astros but i. I hope we actually get to see. This is smaller games from them. Like i don't need them to make a forty hour astros game. I want a cool new astro game from every couple of years. That's just fun and happy and delightful battles is still like the bellwether for like ingenuity with the dual sense as well so i'm fully exactly what that team can come up with especially now that there's a little more structure around what they are as a team within tony. Sort of probably imagine a little bit on the development side. They've got a little bit more support as the team. Now over there in japan But whatever they do next. We don't really have too much detail. But i love astros and now did. Up song second my ahead. i've just been thinking about a few minutes. I did want to move though briefly to just mentioned something that came up and of last week as well The he has five system. Update beta has been introduced in so. This is a bait update that not all players of playstation five have access to currently but it is new. Sorta system changes in its. These include the ability to add three d audio via your tv speakers. Rather than needing just headsets that have three d audio capabilities there is also of course Major ssd developments that. I want to get to in a second but also the ability to track your trophies and things have changed slightly. I've gotten to mess around a bit with the ui and thankfully The the beta version of it presents trophies as acilia changes this is a major one for trophy hunters like the things are now back in a easily accessible vertical list rather than a horizontal list and my god is that. Make a huge change. I don't know i. It sounds silly. At all. I when i was looking over the beta stuff i was just like oh thank god because i'm sorry i love playstation like i s. I play everything on playstation but my god the cards are awful. I hate them. And i need them gone and i guess like the tips ones are fine but the cards being in the trophies is it's just a mess having to go to your trophies and then by earned and then actually go into the. It's a mess. They need they need to back to how it was on. Ps four and it sounds like they're kind of moving back in that direction. Because i'm the same as you. I was doing ripped apart. The the amount of steps it takes to have to go and see what trophies you need it. It's just a nightmare and the fact that the game's going to the fact that it's going to have tracking on now is awesome so that way like my last ripped apart trophy was like get headshots with that one gun or whatever it was that one thank you remember. I know twenty utah trophy. You're talking to platinum the game. It was the one everyone did last. Because like sucked. No it was the war you. You absorb void repulsive yup yup. That's the one gotta. I hate it a trophy and i'm like i. I did the pirates stuff so many times. I'm not seeing when it's happening. You'll have to do it like ten times. I did it like probably a thousand. So it'd be nice to be able to see the tracking on that. I almost gave up. i was on. That was my last trophy. And i almost just like you know. What am i doing with my life. That'll make it a little bit easier to know that i'm wasting my life instead of just assume wasting my life. Yeah it's it's very specific and planned for time list abano. Yeah basically the way the tracking currently works for for some games. I've messing around with it. Is that essentially you can Sort of pin the five up to five trophies per game that you want to really be focusing on at a time you can switch those out at any point you can kind of surface those so that like when you are going to check on trophies. That stuff's what services i unlike the card system and whatnot so you know that if those are the trophies you want to be getting you can see those right away. The so far as much were navigable. It's it's better overall right now And even though it's just a change in how the ps four work. I'm pretty happy with it. But one of the major updates to this with the beta is the addition of Is it i. I don't know this is gonna just expose how how at i technology whether it's m two or m period to who's to say but to ssd support is his. I tell you. I appreciate that because in my head i was like i don't ever really say dot unless it's dot com and this is not a website euro- but you know i'm going to go with it anyway. Assist supporters being added via some software. Update four beta users currently so not everyone wide. But this is something that taylor. You've been tracking quite a bit. We've been having sort of coverage of like the best options currently You know for commercial. Ssd's that are supposed to be available but sort from your view of what is what has the opening of the ssd floodgates in like for playstation with functionality. Finally being added at least even beta form well for one thing. There's definitely a lot of hay house. I remember the first twenty four hours. There is a lot of panic of people freaking out about the. Ssd's i was by. I guess wondering how many of these people have access to the because how many people should be worrying such but you know i felt formulated. You know they gave us a list of requirements or i should say recommendations of what these. Ssd should have and you know. But of course a lot of people probably don't really look at those type of specifications especially like when you think about previous times even like using xboxes example because of the seagate Kind of how they streamline that expansion what you know the there's just been a lot of. I've seen a lot of misinformation in a lot of people having discourse on how sony and even xbox has been approaching. Sst's and i you know. I like both ways. Maybe it's because i build. Pc's so i totally with just slacken end. Just a third party assist in my ps knowing. I'm not going to break it but you know there. There's been a lot of people. Say oh do. I don't think i really need this heat's Oh i'm gonna wait 'til sony drops a full list of vessels like. I don't think sony is going to do that if anything you're gonna see lists from companies but you know what's great about this in the next year once These out there's going to be you know these companies are going to say. Oh yeah this is. This is made for the ps five. Ps five ready similar to what they did with hdmi. Two point one where they just started marketing saying yes. This will work with your your new architects thirty card. If you got one of those or if you've got the new next gen consoles at work with that. But you know i've been keeping tabs on just on what kind of sst's will work with that. I've had some people kind of replied to me on twitter. One person almost bought a say. Oh don't buy that. What because that's a gen three. Pcie gen three ssd. It needs to be a gen for sony said so i don't make the rules. You know i. I've seen the verge on some pretty good coverage as well. They did a test today where he did. A the sequential read recommends that saudi recommends is. I believe it was fifth. Like like five thousand five hundred something like that but they did one. That was way below the recommendation level. And they were reported they said. Oh yeah the low times they did. I think they were Transferring the game for for ratcheting clinking. They said it was the same for another. Ssd they use. That had worth like recommended specs. Sony like asked for. But i think if you have access to the firmware beta in you're totally fine with opening up your ps five minute scary. We've also that most of us probably have seen that tear down. But what i'm thinking is i. I feel that we'll probably have a better rep of what. Ss's will work by the time. Update rolls out. So i feel the people who might be trying to panic by seagate. Fire khuda latest. Ssd for that or things like that. I think they just take a step back in just like pause for a second but also people are now starting to realize that. Mwss's those are not cheap. So i was like if there's one thing that i also take away with that is that a lot of people have not been is because i've always been just like. Yeah he seems. There's just so expensive. But i'm kind of glad that sony taking this approach. Because hopefully they'll be a little bit more affordable down the road like obviously not in the next year that's unrealistic expectation but if it did happen i wouldn't complain in the next two years. It'll be like more affordable. I'm excited i. I feel that it's actually great to for them to do this. I mean i. I know that people are freaking out because you have to open up your ps five and then install this end the directions and just like everything can be a little intimidating but at the same time too when i look back at the comparison with like seagate expansion card for xbox yes streamlines everything and we have to do just plop it on the back of the xbox series excess in there you go but again only comes in one terabyte but so he's like oh you can have up to four terabytes but i probably would recommend buying four terabyte. Ssd because those costs a lot of money. So i mean it's it is. It will cost you a pretty hefty petty. But if you want to teach your own but you know. I feel that. There's a little bit more flexibility that there's a lot more options even if there's a lot of people who still have no idea what they need to do you know. In the next few years there will be like. Ssd's that will streamline be like. Yeah this will work on your five. But until then i will continue to do my best to try to tell people like a okay. Yeah this'll work or if they have questions or if a company tells me. Hey taylor just wanted to slide it in your inbox. And she's like you know this this. This will work with your if you wanted to do that. But i i would love to just like test out a whole bunch of different dot. Ssd size should probably go pitches to my manager but i be really fun but i definitely think that the people that are worrying. I don't think it should headache that much. I mean maybe panic a little bit about the prices but you know black. Friday's coming up soon. So just by one of the black friday or cyber monday. I mean i am dot to ssd like the was. The samsung ninety zero saved over one hundred dollars on prime. They just waiting for that. But you know i. I love that this is finally coming. I just wish that it was a little bit more. I can't even say streamlined. Because it's a beta. So i wasn't even expecting it to be as clean cut but i just wish that there were of irish people that were worried about testees to not worry so much. I think there's reason to stress but at the end of the day. It's not that big of a deal. Eventually companies will come out in start marketing these societies and say. Hey if this is which want used for your. Ps five yeah. We're just fine and as you were saying like especially over time Competent the fact that these are an open competition will kind of lead to them really wanting to make their marketing toward that audience. Probably the leading to prices going down over time. Obviously as you're saying things are really expensive now. But it's yeah it's good that the floodgates are finally opened it is currently as a small of the user base that has access to this and then even when it gets more open wide. I'm sure there will be a lot of questions. But you and the team already both on the tech side macabre set of have been doing a great job of giving people as many resources as possible to As much information and figure out the best way to open up your ps five and pick the best option of avenue ssd so hopefully all of that goes well as we continue coverage but people go check that out on. I unfortunately yeah go ahead. I was just going to add on really quick. Now there's two things for one. The places is meant to be open. So it's not like your you know you're breaking warranty seal or anything like it is meant to be opened and should be no problem. I personally am doing a little bit of a wait and see approach. Only because my five has this bug i think others do as well. Where if it goes into sleep mode doesn't like to wake up and then it tells me that it's it was turned off wrong. I've seen that turn. Bronx screen so many times with my playstation five th eventually just turn that off because i'm terrified of breaking this thing because you just can't get them. I'd be a lot more be a lot more into trying stuff. Experimental stuff like adding an ssd. If i knew that breaking my ps five meant you know best case scenario sony can replace it or worst case i can just walk into a target and buy a new one but seeing as if my population five broke right. Now i'd have to steal amanda. Wouldn't have them for. Probably months makes me very skittish about ever about wanting to touch it. It's it's very it's right there behind me. I don't know if i'm turning directly but it's right there it's it's very open air. Nothing can nothing can make it overheat. And i'm just. I'm just i'm gonna say it's perfect. Say i'm always nothing touches it. It's hidden behind a tree so nobody can. Nobody knows it's there a playstation at all. Yeah yeah yeah exactly. I is that some trees give off a sort of like pollen though that can get in the vents and break the knob just making even having christmas trees from target on civically fast from bottle yes is breaking trees in two and a half feet of appears five. It's toast so yeah. I think it's totally fair to take the wait and see approach and make sure that this thing that it's safe but i definitely would taylor's things like look at look at jan and the virgin websites that are curing. Ssd's for you to buy. Because i think that's going to be your way to go. Because i don't think sony's joined recommend one because they don't make one so they're not gonna agree. I mean it's the same thing with. I'm sorry the same thing with when everybody was trying to wonder like oh is not gonna work with my my xbox that i was able to somehow pre order seeing sony release a list of tv. Maybe for their for their own. Tv's 'cause they make their own. Tv's but you know things like that like especially when sony doesn't even make its own sst's. I would not be holding my breath for sony to release a full list of. Hey here's all these third party. Sec's at work. Because my guests. And only because i had a couple of companies. Tell me that they were doing. This is that they're currently testing all the to assist us that they have that fit those requirements that they're asking for and then once they finalize that list they're going to put it out probably like on a blog post or something on on a direct website that they had like for their website. And things like that. And say okay if y'all want to update your dot to sst expansion on the ps five easily. St's that we have that we offer these configurations we have probably have ones with heat sinks because some of them do have heat sink options as well as he'd say please by the heat sink by the way do not i don't want your five to overheat by. I know i've seen people say no. You really don't need that. I was like. I think you don't need it. Win costs a little bit more. But i promise you please just by the heat. Sony is even telling you to recommending. I should say to get just get it please. Marzi he tweeted out which. Ssd he got so just get together. And you're fine. I look playstation five. Just get the one he got your fucking come away with any lessons from this discussion. At one you know take your time and learn which. Ssd by keep an eye on everything especially the nigerian free information on what to buy and to. Don't buy target trees and put them next year. Ps destroying one thing. Mark cerny recommends against. He's like this is the this is the i'm getting. Also these trees are death. Yeah it's wild that he sub to its target all the time but you know they they are selling place he sub to you everything in my room. He just Just a thing between marks. i suppose. Unfortunately we're running a little bit short on time so going to skip over what we've been playing this week but hopefully can talk about some some stuff. We've been planning next week. I apologize tom. That i won't let you talk about scoured sort this week on the i'm devastated but it's i can imagine But we'll have plenty to talk about The games that we've been playing in future weeks to come But unfortunately do have to wrap up here so taylor and when we get back next time wanna make sure to make time for your memory card story Civil include that next time but in the meantime This has been episode. Seven hundred and twelve of podcast beyond. Thank you mark taylor and tom for joining me. This week. You can find all of us on twitter. 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PS4 and PS5's Early 2022 Games Lineup Is Packed - Beyond 722

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"This episode of beyond is brought to you by Demon Slayer, kame su no Yaiba the hino kami chronicles. Beyond and hello everyone, my name is Jonathan dornbush, and this is podcast beyond IGN's weekly PlayStation show covering all the latest and greatest and strangest in the world of PlayStation. That's right, we're getting strange probably not. It's going to be probably a pretty normal episode. But actually, we have a lot of fun stuff to talk about this week. And before we jump into all of it, I'm joined this week by Jada Griffin for the first time, Jada, welcome to the show. Hello. Hello, everybody. So happy to be on beyond finally. Great, great to have you here Jada is our recently joined community lead here at IGN. We're a really excited to have you on the show. Yeah, you know, just I needed to take a break from chatting with all of our lovely viewers and readers and come chat with some of my coworkers for once. So yeah, we never hear. Yeah, I'm very quiet and slack. Exactly, yes. And we're also joined this week by the king of fighters himself, Mark Medina. That's me. It is my job this episode to make it abnormal. Since advertising is normal. It's now my goal. You know, based on your recent comments on last week's game scoop for listeners of both shows, I'm sure you'll have no problem accomplishing that in short order. I just saw I got a Twitter DM and I was like, oh, it's about the game scoop thing. It's never ending. People are leaving the Facebook group. Look, people, me and Justin were friends, okay? Stop leaving Facebook groups over funny arguments. Meanwhile, I am a mortal enemy of Justin. So please continue to leave those groups. But no, to bring it back to PlayStation this week. We've got a few new stories to go over including some recent great PS5 sales news as well as a last minute addition to the lineup of another PlayStation exclusive coming to PC. But before we get to all of that, I did want to start off the show. This is like the best way. I feel like we can kind of do a catch all of some of the recent release date changes and things that have happened. Some of the most recent being that Eldon ring was delayed to February from its January release date so about a month's delay there. And then also, just this morning, somehow, The Witcher three and cyberpunk were both the late again. The next gen versions of those games are going to be coming out next year. I believe cyberpunk is Q one 2022, they're targeting and the winter three next gen version is Q two. But basically, I want to talk about we are in a very, very strange and interesting place and Mark I kind of want to start with you just because we were talking about this when we were planning the show. There are still some really exciting games coming out this fall. But especially for PlayStation, the beginning of next year feels like the fall season. That's where it went, right? Yeah, it's so weird. I have so next month I've been at IGN for 6 years. And every year is like, thank you. And every year, it's like this crazy blitz during fall, right? There's just huge games coming out every week. And then yesterday I was in a meeting and we're talking about things and I'm like, okay, so you know, we have Guardians of the Galaxy is next week and then after that we have it's like for horizon and Call of Duty and battlefield and then halo. And I'm like, wow, that's it. Which still sounds like a lot of you plan on playing every single one of those games, which I kind of do. But still, it seems very it's very low. You can tell the pandemic is finally having that effect. The people that you thought that was going to happen last year, but games were kind of able to limp over the finish line. And now it's like you're seeing these delays. But like a lot of the delays are like a month. And that's like totally fine. Like kina was a month. And the game's great, right? And horizon theoretically was only a few months, and now and now Eldon rings a month. I don't care if a game gets delayed a month. That's totally fine. Oh yeah, give them the time they need. And so yeah, right now, elden ring has been shifted from. I believe it was January 27th or 25th somewhere around there. 2 February 25th. And so we're looking at this screen situation where from February 18th through to the 25th I'm just going to go to PlayStation 4 and 5 players can look forward to horizon forbidden west, the new destiny two expansion the witch queen, seafood, aldering and saints row. And there are a couple other games coming out in there, but that's sort of like this big major lineup at the end of February. And that feels like what the fall normally is Mark to your point. That rush. And glut of things in such a small time. It feels like the fall. And I guess Jada, I want to throw you just ask one, are you pretty excited for most of that lineup? And what do you do? How do you approach when so many big games are coming out all at once? I don't sleep. But it's simple I don't sleep. I'm kind of like a bear. So when a bunch of games come out, I play them all at once without sleeping, and then I go and hibernate for 72 hours straight and then I go back about my normal day. So if you guys see me off for three days, that's what happened. Yeah, no, I'm seriously excited for everything that's dropping. I was never a huge thanks ro fan back in the day, but I'm really excited to see how they revamp the series. But I'm a huge horizon, huge souls type fan. So elden ring and horizon look great. Seafood looks like it's going to be one of those really cool ones just that I'll be able to blow through in a weekend, hopefully. So it won't take up too much time. But you know me, I've got to get as many platinums as possible. So I'm going to be just all the way all in on all these games. I feel like seafood and horizon will probably be more achievable platinums in the short term than eldering, just a guess, but we'll definitely. I think what's weird is going over the lineup of all. I think what I'm finding weird about fall is there's no big open world game. Like I haven't played Guardians of the Galaxy. I don't think it's open world. The closest would be Forza horizon 5, which is, you know, let's open world racing game. But like, you know, you get horizon and Eldon ring for all intents and purposes. And saints row like these big sandbox the open world games where this fall is like it's all shooters. Call of Duty, battlefield, halo, like, that's what's like kind of weirding me out. It's usually it's like, cool, I'm gonna play Call of Duty or I'm gonna play halo and now I'm gonna play Assassin's Creed. And you just don't have that. It's so it's a weird feeling. You know, it's kind of great though. I really love it because we always complain about having too big of a backlog as gamers. We always complain about that. So this Q four in the holiday season is the perfect time to start building through that working through that backlog. I think I talked about it the other day, Mark, but I dedicate the last week or two of the year every year to just finishing everything that I've played that year and getting as many platinums as possible. I think I'm sitting at 33 right now. So I think I'm gonna be able to hit that big four zero this year, which is excellent which is awesome for me. And I'll probably add Call of Duty and battlefield to that list. But we'll see how those work with the trophies when they get released. Of course, the halo halo infinite platinum. The platinum. Very easy to do that. It's very easy to get. But yeah, I'll be playing a lot of halo on Xbox, getting that gamer score. Gotta get that hopefully a thousand only. We'll see. We'll see what they do for points in that. It didn't change it up lately. You know, it's a meaningless number. Unlike the PlayStation trophies, which are now I've got a 120 K on the happy. I'm happy with my 120 K on my Xbox. I do have a couple question follow-ups from that paja. I do want to first ask what you had mentioned like maybe hoping to get Call of Duty and battlefield. What are the platinums that you're currently tracing? To the platinum chasing this year for sure are monster hunter world and ice born. I just have to get the tiny and miniature crowns for those ones. So those are the trickiest ones. What else am I going to be working towards this year? Dying light because I'm rethinking that on PlayStation. I played it on Xbox 360 or Xbox One back in the day. So I'm replaying that right now. And then also I am playing far cry 6. So far cry 6 is another one of those. So those are your four at least right there. And there's plenty of others. I'll probably go back and finish hell blade and for its platinum and just one trophy. Oh, yeah. Hellblade everybody missed one program. I missed one schedule. I missed one sibling. 'cause you play that game and you have every trophy just from playing through the game, except for the one trophy, which is visit every sigil. You'll find out just one. I'm so mad. But I was like, but the good news is I love the game and so I'm excited to go back and re experience it later and not and look at it from a lens of no recency bias or anything like that. I can actually sit there and pick it apart piece by piece. Totally. Yeah, I would, yeah, I think that one is an achievable platinum like it a weekend. You shouldn't have any problem down that one. But yeah, that one's a really rewarding platinum to chase. So I'm excited to hear about your progress as we get closer to the end of the year. But I do want to Mark you were mentioning a thing of just sort of like the interesting way. It's this genre buildup that has happened where it is very much this fall is a lot of shooters. Next fall is next, not even spring the winter is this open world sort of fast for everyone. Does the pile up of genres wear you down ever? Are you someone who playing similar games back to back kind of wears you down or do you not really get bothered by that? I try to honestly I try to not play too many games at once. I'm doing something very weird right now where I'm actively playing like three different games, and it's not something I usually do. I think what I find most interesting about this fall is normally there's something for everybody, right? And that's what's kind of weird. It's like, if you don't like shooters, there's not a whole lot for you, 'cause like, you know, I don't wanna say Forza is niche, but it is a racing game, right? So, you know, that's not for everybody. And then yeah, and then you have your couple shooters. So like Guardians of the Galaxy is like if you want to consider that a guy may I guess you would. It is fall. That's it, right? Unless you're gonna go for the smaller games or replaying backlog or we don't want to discount the fact that there was just a ton of games released in far cry and death loop. And so luckily someone like me, I'll get through the fall just fine because I play like an hour of kina, I'm still working through far cry. It's a game I plan on planting, so that's going to that's still a journey ahead. Let's team up for it. Mark, let's get your platinum score up. Is there is there like co op trophies? There are some of them that are like single player ones you have to unlock on your own, but lots of them you can get in multiplayer. Yeah. And Jada's help. But yeah, I think that's like the weird thing. Is everybody kind of has their game this fall? And not this fall. But like most falls. And so it's a little strange that that's not happening. This year. I think it's going to be interesting to see the holiday shopping list for parents and such this year. Because normally there's all these new games that are just lining the shelves. And by the time everybody's finishing up their Christmas shopping, a lot of these games will have been out for two, three months and we'll be seeing those discounts those even bigger discounts. We'll see far cry will probably be on self for like 30, 40 bucks. Battlefield and Call of Duty, you'll probably maybe go like ten bucks off at best. But other games like kenna, we may see a $10 discount, which is already, it's already a lower budget title. But yeah, I think it'll be really interesting. I used to work in sales. So it'll be really interesting to see how this stuff kind of pans out. Yeah, my plan just because everybody's just been getting on my case about it. Is my plan is to wait until I'm done with far crying death loop, and then play metro dread because I completely dried yet. Every time I mention it, I was in a meeting yesterday with my boss, who chastised me for not playing my short dress. Go play metroid dread. Like shiny, look at, look, I got the shiny oled. I need to play to get it out of here. What are you doing Mark? Come on. There's a veto on my shelf right. I'll accept that. Oh, wow. No, I'm very much with you. I haven't started to metro dread either until I finish a couple other games because I just don't need to do that to metroid. But yeah, you're totally both right and I do want to talk a little bit about the sales news story in a sack, but it is also that interesting thing of hopefully this fall will be at least a somewhat decent chance for a lot of people to pick up PS5s who haven't been able to do yet. Obviously, the supply chain isn't any better, so there will still be limitations. But people will be getting them for christmases. It'll be the first time people will get stuff. 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Just a before we move on to talk about that stuff just to take a little bit more of a look at February and then march, I don't want to discount as well because there's Gran Turismo 7, stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy origin, the souls like wait for that. Very excited for that and all of the limp biscuit to come with it. Tiny Tina's Wonderland, marvel's midnight suns. And then, of course, as I mentioned, that strange case of The Witcher, cyberpunk and GTA 5 are all set for early next year too. So we're in this strange place where there's I think a really, really packed couple of months there that for anyone who is like, oh, it's a little bit of a choir to fall. I guess take some holiday time off in the first quarter of next year because we'll have a lot to play. But just like from this combined list, February and March, Jada, what are you most looking forward to playing on PlayStation? And I think also what platinums are most looking forward to potentially going after. Hands down my number one for if we're looking outside of that late February that early march from the ones you just mentioned, the Final Fantasy origin stranger of Paradise is hands down my top one. I played the demo a couple weeks back. I was playing co op with my partner. And we were so easy to drop in, drop in co op, the class switching system was amazing. Super easy to swap from black mange to red mage, to warrior to knight to dragoon monk. They had I want to say it's like 13 or 14 classes in the beta, all went to 30 with their own unique styles of play. And it was just a lot of fun. It was also not super punishing for a souls game. So I think it's going to be one of the better entry points for a lot of people to get into soul's game. And with a franchise that other people may be enjoy already. Final Fantasy. But also tiny Tina's looks great. I've been playing a lot of that with my friends. I've been playing on borderlands three is my Friends. I've been playing tiny Tina star guys here, breaking the bargain. No, this thing a lot of more than it's three with some friends who just got it. So that's also nice. Exciting. But yeah, I think those are both gonna be great. I platinum portal ins three, so I imagine all platinum, tiny Tina's. And I'll probably platinum. Final Fantasy origins. So stranger of Paradise Friday it's a hell of a mouthful of. Oh, my goodness. Easy. It's chaos. It's literally chaos to say. The name itself is chaos. Saying the name is what starts the chaos. It's not true. You know, there was I want to say there was like 90% less chaos in the actual demo than there was in the trailer. So I mean, at least in the dialog. I crunched the numbers. Related about 90% less chaos in the actual game. The dialog had less chaos. The gameplay is very chaotic, but it's really good. I really like the blue mage system. You automatically have this ability where you can absorb certain skills from enemies and then use them against your foes. And they could just sing on screen there. It's a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. Highly recommend it to anybody who has a PS4 or 5 to download the demo. I think it's also an Xbox if I remember correctly the demo. But three player co op, a lot of fun. And you can kind of play. How you want to play? Yeah. Chaotic. I'm very excited to see what the chaos per minute of that game is. The most important trick of any game. Market about you, but before we move on, what from that February March region is most of interest to you to play. Yeah, for sure. Obviously, horizon forbidden west is my most anticipated game like in existence right now. But then beyond that, you know, saints row looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm a saint's rough fan of saints row three and four. Those are the only ones I've played. And then yeah, tiny Tina is a big borderlands three fans, so I would love to play more of that. I'm very like itching to play GTA 5 again. I'd love to see how that's gonna look on PS5. And then mark the reason why we're not saying the reason why we're not giving GTS. That's totally me. Someone who's clocked maybe 7 hours of GTA online. I did spend the casino wheel once. You put a $1000 in those 7 hours into it. So to be honest, exactly. But I think midnight suns looks cool. I'm really into I'm really into this game. I can't think of xcom. And so I think these I think that game looks great. It looks a little rough around the edges when it comes to some of the animations, but it's still got a little bit. And the thing is, it's like, this isn't like, it's not really what you're looking for when it comes to the gameplay. It's the strategic game. And so I'm excited for it. Yeah, that one was really, yeah, I'm really hopeful for that one too. As you said, it being alpha gameplay as they always put on the screen hopefully means that that stuff kind of comes together toward the end. But you're right. As long as the strategy of it is really cool, I can forgive something like rough around the edges stuff. If it's fun to plan and figure out how to dominate sort of each level. So that one should be really cool. But yeah, as you said, also horizon is the one we'll be discussing quite a bit whenever we're able to start talking about that game next year. Because we've all been playing it already, but I just mean, hopefully we'll be able to talk about it for launch week. But that one should be a really fun fun one to cover. You know, I just need to finish two more trophies, Mark, can you help me with the co op that they've been keeping a secret on horizon forbid west after the show? Absolutely. Yeah, I love horizon forbidden west. The game we've all definitely been playing so much. I just turned on my second PlayStation 5 and played with myself for a while. That's what's less likely. It's not that we've played horizon for a bit of west. Is that Jada has two PS5? I don't buy it. The illusion is broken. God, yeah, that really broke our joke. No, I totally, yeah, I'm very much with you all. I think it's wild how much is coming out then. And it's good to know you're both potential wonderlands fans because I do want to jump into that one, but don't know if I have a team just yet to play. But it's going to be a sword. Appreciate it. There's a lot to look forward to in the spring. I forgot what season it is at that time of year, but I think it's vaguely the spring or the end of winter. So, you know, whatever else comes out the end of the year will be discussing some of those games, but very much looking forward to that early 2022 lineup. I'm also very excited for all the people who have been able to buy PS5s recently. Because apparently that's been a decent number of people according to recent sales figures that I wanted to just briefly touch on because I think it's a really interesting thing to note. The PS5 in September finally broke the Nintendo switches 33 month streak at the top of the MPD sales charts is North America sales. So that's obviously not worldwide. But the PS5 was the top selling system for the month in September and also is the top selling console for the year. But this is like a really interesting thing because we've been getting since the PS5 launched PlayStation has talked about, oh, it's the fastest selling PlayStation console. It's passing these milestones quicker than anything else that we've ever done. It's doing these tremendous sales figures, despite the supply chain shortages, despite all those issues around the world, so why September is the month that it comes in first for the first time is a really interesting thing that I know we were talking a little bit before the show, but Jada one authority first, what do you think about it sort of finally becoming the number one console North America? What do you think might be behind that? Well, like I said, I bought a second one so I could play horizon forbidden once with myself co op. So there you go. The numbers prove it. There's faxed back me up now. But no, I'm super excited that there's more and more people are able to get these in their hands. I have a lot of friends and even family members that are looking in for them still are hitting me up and I'm like, I'm like, follow this person, follow this person. I'm messaging them when they go into my life catch the restocks for them. But it's super exciting that this is happening. I think it's no surprise that this happened right when Nintendo dropped the switch oled because I think people are now trying to get the switch oled at the same time, which means they're not buying as many of the older switches. So I think it was I'm glad that Sony was able to increase production and take advantage of this change in the market for what people are looking for and not looking for. Yeah, I actually completely agree on a consumer experience standpoint, which is, yeah, that's why I have my switch all right here is like, I was going to buy a switch about a month ago. I was like, I feel like it was time. I still have to launch switch and I wanted the battery bat. The better battery life one and all that good stuff. And then I thought about it. And I was like, wait, I might as well just wait for the oled. That comes out, you know, in October or same day as metroid dread. And so it's one of those things where it's like, is that like topping the sales chart going to carry over into October? Probably not, because they everybody that was waiting to buy no lead has now bought an oled. Oled sold out. So when I went to GameStop, the morning that the Oleg came out and there was a line, right? So it's like, I don't think that they'll hold it, but it makes sense that they would get it right before, you know, before the before the oled. I know some people call it the OLED. Call it whatever you want. I don't want to get the old. Rolls off no easier. Yeah. She's here. No, I'm totally there with you both. I don't know if it's necessarily a factor of anything PlayStation did. And more so, as ibo said, an interesting thing put into practice that when they announced the release date and had the oled as a viable thing, anyone thinking of buying a switch immediately would be like, well, I'll just wait. And that's an interesting test case because we haven't sort of had those midlife cycle changes in any way. Obviously the oled is the same power and performance, but I don't think two dissimilar from the idea of like, oh, they've announced the PS4 pro. I'll just wait to buy a PS4 until the new more powerful one is out. If there's a better option, there is a subset of the audience thinking of buying it that will wait to buy it. I think it's not like a crazy assumption to make. I don't know what you both. Yeah, when the switch, when the better battery life one came out, right? They didn't really advertise that. That was just like, you know, you had to go to your target or your Best Buy or whatever. And look at the product number to know. Like, okay, this is the newer one, right? Where it's like, with the oled, it's very obvious that this is like something new. Not that it does anything new other than have a better screen. But like, you know, you can it's very like easy to notice. I would say the only thing I don't know about when it comes to PlayStation is I don't have my finger on the pulse when it comes to like restocking, right? Like, I know it's almost impossible to find one right now. Obviously, people are finding them. But if you follow those like Twitter deals like, wario 64 and IG and deals and all that stuff, are they coming into stock more often than they did two or three months ago? I have no idea, because I don't follow any of those, I don't follow any of those deals, 'cause I will buy too much. I have a pound of those atomic fireball candies from one of those deals. 'cause I was like, $4. Absolutely. Mario was advertising like a 7.5 pound Hershey's chocolate syrup tub like a couple days ago for crazy cheap and to a couple of people. And they bought it because it's like, yeah, that's a pretty good deal. I'm gonna do that. I feel like when you follow those deals, you get a giant bag of these freaking things. My mouth is completely numb, like from eating this. Taste buds are gone. It's impressive you can still talk through this whole show then. No. Because you've just been eating them all this morning. But no, yeah, it is very interesting, Janice, you're probably like I'm very curious to see what next month will be like as well. If things will stay the same. You were talking about like anecdotally, Friends, you know, hitting you up asking for help trying to find this stuff. Has that felt like it's increased throughout the year for you or has that kind of just been a sustained thing since these consoles came out? I would say it's sustained only because as I help people find them, other people hit me up. So I have a constant flow of publicly at any time, 8 to ten people that are hitting me up like, hey, I'm still trying to get a PlayStation of wizardry stocks. I'm like, I work at IGN. I don't know when PlayStation builds their systems and ships them to GameStop. That was my best life. You don't have an exact beat on the supply chain like that? I mean, I have drones and cameras and microphones everywhere around the world. You know, I've got to run my network of self she has Mark cerny's apartment bug. Exactly. You know what I gotta get my data? I gotta get my data somewhere, you know, that's how you run game power. You have to have information, knowledge is power. Read those books, kids. Yeah. No, it's been a steady stream, but it's, you know, it's I'm happy to help people because it gives me more people to play with. And waiting for the day that I can walk into a target and not see an empty container where their PlayStation 5s are supposed to be. I feel like it's never going to happen. But it's got to happen one day. It'll happen at some point. I do think it's one of those things where because we're all so much more online than we were like, you know, this was a problem for the Wii. The original we was hard to find for people for a couple of years. And you would hear those stories. And obviously, we're in a much more unique situation where the pandemic has happened. They're crazy supply chain shortages, boats are getting stuck in canals and delaying shipments for months. The chips have all been eaten, I think, was what happened. And so we're in this weird case where I think we're just all aware that there are these are harder to find. But hopefully things even as there are supposed to be sustained shortages for a little bit. Hopefully, more people will be able to get them this fall. I have reached out to ask Seth Macy from our deals team just because you both were talking about it, whether or not even anecdotally they've noticed if there have been more restocks or not recently. So if he tells me I'll report back in. But yeah, it's a curious thing to see him. I definitely want to hear from people out in the beyond audience about if they've been able to find PS5s more recently if that's a thing or if we're just kind of looking at a lucky month of people not buying the switch as much. But we'll see what happens in October. And whether or not you just were able to buy a PS5 are looking to buy a PS5 or might have bought one back at launch or have two like Jada, you may be wondering to yourself, how can I make it look cooler or different than just the standard white PS5? Well, good news, lawyers be damned. A plate customization company is trying to make sure that you can get your hands on changing the look of your PlayStation 5. So this is actually a different company than for those who might remember when the PS5 was first coming out. There was a company called customize my plates and they were offering PS5, customize different differently colored plates and then just disappeared because of I think seasoned desist notifications and things of that nature. So that wasn't that plate station. I believe their name for a second. Yeah, I think that was also the egregious name that they tried to do on a friend who ordered those, and then they canceled their order. Oh, man. That is, yeah, that was a very weird week or two for that company. I'm sure. But so dbrand, they originally put out that they were doing this. I think got a seasoned desist and then came back and said dark plates are back, CheckMate lawyers. So this company called dbrand has shown off what they're called the dark plates two. To give a little bit of an idea as for those who are not watching the video version, they are slightly differently designed than PlayStation plates and maybe this is how they get around lawyer issues. They're missing the fins at the top of the plate. So they're just rounded curves on the front of the PS5. And they also have a large sort of exhaust area to let more heat and let the fans breathe a little bit more than just these solid plates. So they're offering these in just a couple limited colors right now. I think it's just black gray and like a sort of off white, but you can also buy LED lights to put around these sort of light strips for your PS5 as well. And they're offering different combinations of those things for those interested in it. I do want to get to a little bit of the interesting things they've mentioned about their case. But Jada just to start with you, you know, whether or not for both of your PS5s or not. What is your interest in general in customizing your hardware? So most of the time I end up not customizing my hardware, just because I'm generally okay with the vanilla look, I guess is the best way to put it. But I usually end up getting two to three of each console each generation just for whatever reason when they release a new version or if one happens to die, for if I win one, which I did during the PS4, generation. And so I generally don't, but sometimes I do get to do some cool. I get some cool little swag, and I was a big hyper dimension neptunia fan back in the day. And so nice. I threw this guy on my PS4. And it just kind of added some nice little flavor for a game that I enjoyed. So you know, not my favorite skin of all time, but I enjoyed the game for a bit and I got the free skin, so I was like, whatever this PS4 is just kind of for show for the most part now because I like when we PS5, so it's just kind of do that. Yeah, no, that's awesome. I loved actually the way they used the PS4's tiered structure on what you just showed off. That was really cool. But yeah, I usually don't customize too much. I customized my DS way back in the day and put like a big lightning decal across it. It was like a lightning storm evening decal for some reason. And that was what I coded my DS and I was like, now it looks silly. I don't know why it does. Mark, what about you, though? Do you like to customize? Do you like to buy official options? What is your go to? Yeah, no, not really. I really like how the PS5 looks. I like that it's white. I like the controller. I have a white controller here. I also have a red controller that I use primarily because this one got a little bit of drift. But no, I can't, when I look at these plates, I'm like, for one, I don't super love the rounded edges. I kind of like the fins. Yeah. Customizing the colors also doesn't really do much as far as the LED strips because the colors mean something, you know? Like blue means it's like booting up or it could be some sort of error and white means it's on and it's running. So I don't want to like, and then orange means it's standby mode. So I don't want to confuse myself by being like, oh, what does red mean? I don't know. Sounds bad, though. I can tell you that. There's also been a little bit of buzz on Twitter about how the plates are specifically designed in a certain way on the vanilla PS5, and that adding those vents that they've added actually kind of messes up the airflow interest of the PS5? I don't know like I'm not a scientist. So, you know, I haven't sent that down to the boys in the lab yet, but we'll figure that out eventually. But no, I don't really have any interest. I've seen like I've seen like the PS4 pro, like the big Spider-Man one, it's like red and I'm like, that is just terrible. I think they went all. I'm way more. Sorry to anybody who has out there. I just don't really like them. I'm more like special editions. But I like it to be kind of minimalistic. That's just kind of like how I like to show my fandom for a lot of things is I like to be very minimalistic, but the people at the keen eyes are like, oh, she's a Final Fantasy fan. Oh, she's a God of War fan. You can tell just by just the little things that I do. Yeah. Yeah, if you wanted to do something like that, like maybe a subtle color scheme, right? But like the giant Spider-Man logo on the side of it. And you're like, cool, it's like the last of us edition. That's like a picture of Joel on the side and you're like, no, I don't. I don't want that. Because it shows dedication so much to just one game when that the PS5 can play minigames. Yeah, I'm very much in that route of like I will get, you know, differently colored controllers here and there, but in terms of the console, I stick to the pretty basic colors. And maybe that's boring for the people out there listening. Maybe people love to do crazy customization jobs. And I'd be curious to see some, but yeah, for me, I'm always like, I don't want the console to necessarily say this is the one game and the one game only that I care about often because it does like right next to my TV or the thing that I'm staring at every day and just to see one game every day. I mean, I do have art hanging up and you know, the art doesn't change, so I guess the joke's on me. Weird argument to make. But yeah, just something about the consul itself. I like the original state of design, especially for something as sort of goofy as the PS5 itself. Except for the SpongeBob Xbox Series X that is the only good customized ultimate custom console. So it was made for him. There is one interesting thing though, because I was thinking, you know, during the PS4 generation, they released a lot of special edition consoles and chances are for the most part unless you were crazy flush with cash. You may be bought one of those if you already had a chance for. Because buying another full consoles very expensive, I've always wondered why, you know, at least from the launch of the PS5, the plates are easy to take off. PlayStation could sell customize plates or differently colored plates as official things that you can swap out. And it would be kind of close to the Xbox 360 faceplates that you could change. And I feel like I would remember those back in the day. But dbrand on their sort of like deep dive of why they're doing this and all of the legal hurdles they had to jump through, did say something that I just wanted to bring up that I thought was interesting. And again, I don't know this for sure as not an economist or anything. But they said, it probably isn't in Sony's best interest to sell direct to consumer faceplates. In a world where transport fees are dictated by dimensional weights, the sheer size of PS5 faceplates relative to their potential MSRP is far less appetizing than say a $500 PS5. What we mean by this is that it would probably cost about as much to ship a PS5 as it would a set of faceplates for only about 10% of the retail revenue generated. Which I guess I never thought about the idea that just the sheer size of those giant PS5 faceplates might make them a nightmare ship. But if PlayStation did decide that was worth the cost of they figured out a way to do it, would you be open to switching out your faceplates or the side plates if they were the same design like if they sold official black plates or blue or a specific color that you wanted would either of you be interested in that? Yeah, I would. If they came out with official ones that weren't as expensive like the dbrand that's like 6 $70, a little too much for me to wanna change a console that, yeah, you're seeing it now. But like, for the most part, I'm the only person that sees this gone. Are you by game for that price? So probably the other thing I want to mention is, I know it's just faceplates, but I am terrified to touch my PS5 right now. Only because something happened. I don't care. Are you okay? Never mind. Now I hear you. I'm laughing. And it was the most silent laugh I've ever heard. Oh no. Like, if something happened where I shattered my TV, right? What do I gotta do? I got a target and I gotta buy a new TV. That sucks, but I can do that. I put a two terabyte hard drive, my PlayStation. I'm just like terrified every single day that I did something wrong because if that thing breaks I gotta hit up Jada to help me find a new one. I just don't have to get to the list. To the bottom. No, no, no. If you agree to play some co op with me, you'll at least get like a middle seating. Okay. Bigger coworker holds no clout with Jada. Her mom's like, hey, can you get me a PS5? She's like gonna play tiny Tina Wonderland with me. And then she's like, I have no idea what that is. Yeah, no, I get what I mean. That's a good game to play. I can't. I can't complain. Yeah, no, I haven't customized it in that way, Mark, like I haven't added an SSD, but I'm with you in terms of just like, I'm afraid to do that to my PS5, right? Because I'm nervous. I don't want to mess this down. Yeah. And yeah, right now when they are scarce admittedly luxury items to have, it's like, I don't want to do too much to mess that up. So yeah, I'm especially with like third party things that are still trying to figure out the best way to sell these things without legal repercussions. I probably won't be buying any of those places just yet. But it's cool that those options are beginning to maybe come out there, hopefully PlayStation just lets people license it so that they can sell these things officially and don't have to deal with a bunch of lawyer emails, but it's an interesting development to seek into trying to happen in this early part of the life cycle. I opted for just an external drive for my PS5 for that same reason. I just don't want to I know installing a heat sink isn't a super crazy technical process, but sometimes I mess things up. I'm just not, you know, fully there when I'm installing things and I was like, you can also order one with one installed. Didn't because I don't know the deal I had was without it. It was very easy, but still terrifying. Not all of us can be Henry Cavill customizing PCs. So yeah, that was me. I did 17 push ups and then I customize my PS5. That's the prerequisite. Yeah, once you clear your head with a couple of push ups and you're good to go. I could only do 17. That's a good number to be Frank. But anyway, I used to be able to do. Moving on from the push up game, I did want to talk about some of the games that we all have been playing. Jada, you were mentioning you were playing far cry. I don't know if you want to talk about that or anything else, but what have you been playing that you want think of a shout out to? Yeah, so my regular rotation currently is far cry 6, back for blood, new world, apex and dying light. Those are the 5 that I'm currently devoting my time to. Far cry 6 is a blast. It's kind of feels like it took a lot of the best features from a lot of the far cries and combined them together. There's some smaller hiccups, like climbing has been is kind of harder and picking things up is kind of weird, but I feel like those are things that can be fixed with a patch very easily. Picking things up is surprisingly weird. Okay, I'm not good. Yeah, no, you have to crouch down and be staring it in the face to pick stuff up. Okay, I never thought about it, but now that you've mentioned it yet, that's really dumb. Yeah, I have that's why I try to stay in a vehicle at all times 'cause I have, I think it's gloves or boots that pick up items automatically if I drive by them. So now I don't even have to worry about picking things up. I just hop in my car, and I just drive by those picks it up automatically. Drive it through buildings and trying to get those down this whole way. I really need 6 bullets. Hold on, sorry. It's just easier than been looking at it. Yes. But yeah, no far cry 6 is great. The music I really loved the music and the soundtrack, I was one of the things I wasn't a 100% certain I was going to be sold on, but from, you know, I'm probably about 12, 15 hours in from the beginning of the people now. I'm with loved just about every track I've heard. So I'm super excited for that. I'm still grinding away at new world, trying to get that mining and logging skill to like 200, so I can mine all the good trees and rocks. Because, you know, I just like being an NPC, and hitting trees and rocks. But yeah, that's pretty much me for the most part. That's the good life of an NPC. I understand very well. But yeah, that's great to hear. I still need to get back to far cry, but it was really enjoying it as well except for. It's a very good to know. The picking up things is awful. What the heck? There's a wild thing to have to complain about. But anyway, mark what have you been up to and of course I know I mentioned before the show one game I want to ask you about in specific, but whatever you have been playing. Oh, boy. Yeah, it's actually not that different. I played a bit of new world. Still still playing. I'm only like level 25 of the 26. That game is super fun. I need to get back into playing yeah. I haven't played it in like a week. Yeah, far cry for sure. Fantastic game. I'll give death loop a shout out just because I mentioned on game scoop that I wasn't playing it and a lot of people got mad. So they just released the DLSS patch or death loop on PC. And so I'm playing it on PC, but that game is pretty fun. Now that it's smoothed out. And then I also started playing what is it called the golf club wasteland? That is a fun thing. Oh yeah, my plan on platinum being as well. It's just like a chill, you're just an astronaut that comes back to like post apocalyptic earth and you just do some side scrolling golfing. It's really, really fun. That came out pretty recently. Isn't it? Yes. Within the last month. Okay, yeah. That's generally what I was hoping to hear. Yeah, I saw a trailer for that and it looked very, very interesting, but I haven't been able to try it out yet. It's one of those things where it's like it gets kind of puzzled 'cause it's like hit a ball off of like a thing to like angle at a certain way. And avoid water, but then it also does this really like it's one of those games that almost like hellblade. It tells you to play with headphones on because the art of the experience is like the atmosphere, right? And so it's like there's, you know, what would you do if you were playing a golf game that didn't have music? You would listen to some chill music or you would listen to like podcasts and stuff like that. And like that is like all integrated into the game. It's got like really chill music. There's podcasts where you hear like different news stories, about things that happened. And it's definitely an experience. But it's good fun. That's cool. I will have to go check that one out. I didn't know much about it, but it sounds really cool. And then I also, of course, want to ask you just how you're because I think you tweeted it that you have over a hundred hours in Death Stranding and don't have the platinum yet. So how is your Death Stranding progress going these days? That is a platinum that doesn't want to get God for sure. Do you have the death training one of them? I do not. I think I made it probably like 20, 30 hours into walking simulator. And then I had to stop for a bit. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed it while I was playing it, but something new and shiny came out and it first drew me away. But I might pick that back up with the director Scott, and we'll see. Right. So that's what I did is I played this training on PS4 and beat it and was like, cool. And then when the directors cut came out, I was like, I don't want to start over, right? I just want to see the new stuff. And so I started playing it again. Then I got addicted. And me and my friend, we would share our screens, 'cause then he got directors that we would share our screens and we would just sit there and build free ways and stuff like that and it's like obviously we're not playing together, but at the same time we kind of are. And it got addicting, but holy God. It just will not end. So yeah, I'm like a 120 hours in at this point. It's a great podcast game. Like I watch YouTube like long form YouTube YouTube videos from this one specific channel the average like 30, 40 minutes long. And so I'll put one of those on and then just like, I don't wanna just sit here so that I'll just play dead stranding. You know, millennials. They have to double conceal. And so that's just what that's being born from is like, I don't want to play far cry. I want to watch these YouTube videos because I'm addicted to this channel right now. And so I'm like, so instead, I'll play, I'll play desk stranding. I'll get it eventually, but God, man, that game. It does a really good job at not letting you get the platform. That's for sure. Because you have to I do the same thing with new world. Anytime I'm playing new world, I have Hulu or crunchyroll, something on in the background because I'm just cutting trees. I don't really need to pay attention to this. So I'm going to watch a show while doing this. That's totally fair. And I mean for describing because one of the big trophies right is to basically 5 star every prepper like output correct. You have to yeah. And I only have three to go. Okay. And then my last journey would be getting every memory trip, which is actually a lot easier than 5 starring every prepper. Like 5 starring every prepper is very, very hard. But especially now that your backpack has like jets and stuff like that. Getting those memory chips is not going to be hard. That's the thing I'm saving for last. I'm not working through doing the prepper thing first. But I only have three to go, so I need to just buckle down and get it done. I believe this. Yeah. Let us know how it goes when you make that final delivery and how it feels. The joy in your tone, I can hear it already. But yeah, I've been playing just continuing to kind of do the same games I have been, so hot wheels, what else have I published? Hot wheels unleashed. No, just with my real hot wheels in real life, just in the mirror in my house. You know. Not ready to be unleashed yet. It's not quite yet. It shouldn't act stay inside and I shouldn't tell people about it. He is playing. He is playing hot wheels leashed. But he's gotta try going from his house to his neighbors. I'm just having a really fun time with that. It's wild how beautiful that game is on PS5, like it is so I really want to play that game. Yeah, it is ridiculously pretty. I'm definitely feeling the pain of not the grind to get new cars because it's all random chance. And I just want the Batmobile. I just want to have the battery. Oh yeah, I forgot about, yeah, there's a ton of good like cool license options, but you can only get cars via the blind box system. And you don't have to pay real money for them, so that's nice at least, but it is otherwise just a grind through the game. And I like playing the game, so it's not bad, but I wish there was a little bit more options in that regard. But still really loving it still one of the more fun racing experiences I've had in quite some time. And yeah, during it quite a bit. And then I don't really know if I've played anything else worth mentioning that I haven't mentioned for weeks on the show. So I'm just going to move on to our next segment. Look at that. What a transition. I do want to actually because I put it in the runner show very late and forgot to mention earlier, just want to briefly mention, of course, there was the news this morning that God of War is coming to PC in January. So for people who listen to this show, but don't have a PlayStation console. If you have a PC, you'll be able to play out of war. In January, the latest in the sort of PlayStation exclusive lineup to get this sort of three years after launch PC push will also be getting uncharted at some point next year on trend for and while legacy to really great uncharted. Just very quickly, I guess for the panel. I think this is a smart move. I think this falls in line with everything they've been doing with their PC model, which is, hey, after we think we've sold about as much as we'll probably sell on PlayStation, let's open it up to PC to get people excited for the sequel. Yeah, the only thing I can say about this is more people getting to play God of War and uncharted is only a good thing. There is zero negatives about that. So if you find a negative and people on PC being able to play these games, you've done some weird mental gymnastics. It is only a good thing. Yeah, I'm super excited just to see I might pick it up on PC have already platinum bit in done my new game plus play through. But I'm kind of excited to see what it looks like on PC. Just because I've got a nice PC and I'd like to push it to the limit. It's why I can and just kind of I will never say no to replaying God of War. I love the out of four series. And so another excuse to play on PC, sure, why not? Oh, totally. Yeah, and all the technical details of what that PC version will encompass are both on the PlayStation blog and IGM so you can check all that stuff out. But yeah, to mark's point, it is not another sign that we're losing the exclusives or that PlayStation will stop publishing exclusives on the console. It is a very smart marketing tool to say, hey, why don't we open this up to the audience before ragnarok comes out? And if they want to play ragnarok, they're going to have to go to a PS4 or PS5. And so if you can capture that mindset, probably only helps sales in the long run, especially three years after launch a game is not really at the top of its sales charts. And so at that point. Which makes it completely obvious that they're going to announce a new uncharted game next year. I'm just saying. It could happen. It could happen. Sony. But yeah, we'll have to see what happens there, but I'm very excited as JD were saying to see how it runs on PC. It should be a lot of fun to see that in action. Also, can't wait for whatever weird mods people come up with. Oh my God. Oh boy. But before we get to that strange and uncharted territory of God of War mods, see how I changed uncharted in there. I do want to wrap up this week's show and before we wrap up proper, I do want to do, of course, memory card, our weekly segment. Were you the viewers and listeners at home right in with your sad? Weird, happy, wacky, whatever memories of your PlayStation gaming life, and we read them on the show each week. If you want to write in with one, you can write into beyond at IGN dot com with the subject line memory card, and we'll read them on the show up. But before we read one from one of you out there, Jada, since this is your first time on the show, I want to open the floor to you if there's a memory of your PlayStation gaming that you want to share. Yeah, so I'm going to take it back to the summer after the PS two launched. My grandfather had bought one for my cousin and who was staying with them. And so I would cut and my grandfather literally lived two minutes away from my high school. So I'd literally come over to my grandfather's house every day after school. And since my cousin had the new PS two, that's what I was doing every day after school. The only thing is my grandfather was old at the time. He's older now, obviously. But he didn't know to buy a memory card for the PlayStation 2. And he bought my cousin, Jack and daxter, the original and dark cloud. And so we were playing those two games, nonstop, and I would literally, I was the older cousin, so I kind of come over and take over because that was just kind of my thing. And as older cousins, siblings do. And I would tell them my cousin, after I left to go home for the night I was like, don't turn off the PlayStation. I'm going to come back and we'll finish it tomorrow. And literally every day I would come back, the PlayStation would have been reset or turned off, which I can't blame them in hindsight. It was his console, and he probably wanted to play something else. But I would literally come back and play the same freaking levels, and I'd get further and further every time which meant by the time I eventually got my own PS two. That was able to just roll through those games really quick. The fact that Jada's memory card segment was specifically about memory cards. She understood the assignment. Yes. Very good. Absolutely. I love that story and thank you so much for sharing it. Yeah, I it's sort of almost brings it back to the older days when there weren't memory cards. And you just would have to leave a console on because that was all you could do to keep making it progress. So I love that. And I appreciate you sharing that with us. I do want to also read one quickly from one of our listeners this one comes from Matt from the UK. Matt wrote in and said, don't worry, this is a positive story, but slight warning, this is a story match telling about his sadly past best friend. But Matt wrote, I have countless PlayStation anecdotes from over the years, but the one I've chosen to share is bittersweet as it involves my daily departed best friend. We grew up enjoying countless PlayStation experiences together, like sharing Final Fantasy 8 tips over the phone after school, perfecting the original medieval and staying up all night through runs of Silent Hill. One of his favorite games was from the seemingly forgotten God game genre, a game called populist the beginning. For anyone unfamiliar plays, you play as an omnipotent or excuse me. Omnipotent deity, directing the plight of your shaman and her tribe of followers. I didn't play the game myself, but I was always happy to sit back, watch and soak up the chill atmosphere. The music was incredible. My friend was also the guy whose house served as a hangout for her entire group, a sanctuary where the door was always open. I've gone out late one night to the local dye for college kids who preferred alternative music. My friend hadn't joined me on the occasion around 12 a.m. I decided it was time to get the last bus back to my town. I also decided to walk straight past my own house and go see what he was up to. He'd stayed at home because he had something important to do early the next day. So you can imagine how he felt when I came knocking far too late at night and a little too inebriated. But ever the gentleman, my friend let me in and endured my drunken ramblings for about as long as he could. But my last recollection of that night was him slightly firing up the PlayStation letting that super awesome populist music sent me to sleep. I love that memory and I miss him every day. I love the show and keep it up, kind regards Matt. And thank you for sharing that memory with your friend. We're sorry for you and your friends loss of such a friend, but I'm glad you have those memories to look back on. It's a very sweet memory. Yes, yeah. Thank you. And thank you for being willing to share that. And again, if you out there want to share a memory with us, you can write into beyond it, AG and dot com. And we'll read them on the show each week. But that is going to pretty much wrap us up for this week's episode of podcast beyond. Before we leave, Jada, where can people find you and is there anything you want to tout about what you've been doing in IGN recently? Yeah, so you can find me on IGN dot com or IGN boards. At ri in a, or on Twitter at Jada, arena. And yeah, I mean I've got blogs that I've been really seeing. I just released my first blog, which updated our new Twitter spaces that we do for gaming every Tuesday at two p.m., we so far we've covered metroid dread in yesterday we did back for blood. Next week, we'll see what we're going to talk about. It might be a little bit of a surprise. So I'm excited for that. But yeah, there's a lot of lot of new things coming. I've got community office hours from 1230 to two, our schedules in that blog post. So if you have a question for me, our community or just somebody else at IGN, but you have a hard time contacting them, submit a question during office hours, and I'll get it to the person who needs to hear it. Awesome. You've been doing really incredible work with the reach out to the community. And it's awesome to hear about all the updates that have been going on recently. A lot of good people there. Yes, for sure. And Mark what about you? Where can people find you or anything you want to point people to? Yeah, I actually listen to that Twitter spaces yesterday for back for blood. It was a good time. Yeah, you probably on Twitter at Pringles official. Always tweeting about chips, what new chips you can get, so that's fun. But we have I run desert to sweet runs at IGN and we have Hina this weekend, so very relevant to the PlayStation audience. That should be a fun one. We barely recorded it yesterday. So there should be a good time that'll go up on 8 30 a.m. ET on YouTube, and IGM. Awesome. Check it out. If you beat keena, if you haven't been keen up, you're gonna see the end real fast. And of course, tweet your impressions of that speedrun two Pringles. And apparently they'd love to know what you think of the speed. Definitely gonna love the fallout of that. And of course you can find me at JM dorm bush. Nothing from this recent week because I took a couple days off. But have some fun stuff coming up in the next week or two. So we'll talk about that then. But that is going to wrap us up for this week's episode of beyond. Thank you, Jada, and thank you, mark for joining me on this week's episode. Thanks for having me. Hi. Goodbye, Mark. And thank you. I wish you just like ran out of frame at that point. I was like, I don't know how these outros go. Bye, everyone. Just spin your chair around. Doctor evil. For the first doctor evil. And thank you, I thought the rest. And thank you to red our producer for helping make this show happen every week. And thank you to everyone out there for listening and watching. We hope you're safe, we hope you're well. And as always, beyond.

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Fall 2021 Games We Love So Far - Beyond Episode 719

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Fall 2021 Games We Love So Far - Beyond Episode 719

"And hello everyone. My name is jonathan dornbush. And this is podcast beyond aegean's weekly playstation show covering all the latest in the world of playstation there's playstation news there's playstation games. There's a lot to talk about this week. So we're going to get into in just a second but before we do. I'm joined this week. I brian altana. Hey what's up. Beyond on. Brian and special guests joseph marin joseph. Thank you so much for joining us to have you here beyond thrilled to be here having me very happy to have you For those who may not know you. You're the host of the trophy room another playstation podcast. That if you aren't out there listening to you should be listening to one because you can never have enough in your life too. Because it's really great show i. I've been listening since we first of connected on twitter. I you guys put together a really good show but for those who may not know what you want us to give the elevator pitch for the trophy or man so the trophy room is a playstation podcast made by the players for the players where me and my best friend. Kyle talk about the latest greatest in all things playstation each and every thursday. You can find us on spotify. Google play apple podcasts. Wherever you find your podcast surface of choice and we're greatly inspired by a podcast. Podcast beyond we really want to just have a sit down which is two friends in a room chatting about playstation having fun bringing all sides types of different people to the podcasting round to talk playstation. It is one of my favorite things to do each and every week and that is because my co host kyle is possibly the greatest human being. I've ever met. So if you're into playstation alike have a good time every now and again with playstation and all that jazz go check us out on the trophy room. This is very good pitch really thought it was the yorker best through like. Maybe i stop giving up halfway through like he's not committed to this thing. Great jonathan it is worth pointing out that this podcast currently. You're that everyone's listening to it home. Is i believe sixty six point. Six percent new jersey. Yeah that's right so one hundred percent The tri-state area right. That's right. It's very important for everyone. in the tri-state area. No you're at home. You're with family on homes or we have we had right before we started recording very jovial slash heated debate about pizza and best of the pizzas. And we're we're we're in good spirits. That i am starving and it's something in the morning which i'll let you both know and obviously You know it with your permission read. Our producer was capturing a little bit of that so we can post some of it. Maybe we can throw it into the but anyway listen. It's it's a big time in jersey right now because we got many saints in newark coming as right. It's almost like it's it's a little like holiday happening here. i think i've i drove pass satin dolls which was bought from sopranos. Seven million times right. Yeah how many what's the what's really sad about. It started. heart hijack the show. It's right next to a party city. Which is a children's accessories store so it's super weird because it's like you have the sopranos strip club. All the crazy stuff went down on that show. I believe they have a buffet. Have never actually gone in it and it's right next to party city for all of your children's birthday party needs so he gets. Yeah absolutely incredible and yes so for all of those out there in new jersey know that you have family here even if i'm from long island but the only thing i was gonna say was just to to cap off. The new jersey talk was we were in a one of our Igt morning meetings recently and lucy. O'brien of course. Not from new jersey amazon had to pronounce the many saints of newark. And let me tell you when you've never been from or near newark currently newark because not the easiest name to say. Gave her some trouble but it was a very funny moment. She's like oh yeah. Newark was just the thing that i talked about all the time because the newark airport i was just gonna hang actually had a co worker. Reach out to me after that meeting and he was like. Hey i'm just checking in a uk. I heard the way. Lucy mispronounced newark. And i wanted to make sure you're doing right. You took a couple of days off. After that i remember but like it's okay it's just a newark And from my family to go through very difficult for us a very difficult time we'll We'll have our many scenes of newark spoiler cast in the coming weeks. But before we get there other is plenty of playstation news to talk about this week including of course one of the reasons we move the show to record on wednesdays so that we don't miss the playstation plus games for a whole week on and we were rewarded with october's playstation plus lineup Station on the playstation blog posted that starting tuesday october fifth. You'll be able to download these three following games for playstation plus users. Hell let loose repairs five mortal kombat ten at the most recent combat. Ps four and he g. a. tour to twenty-one or ps four as well ryan together last sch- as we've always wanted mortal kombat hitting hitting the links in the middle of hell let loose is the newest game of the group and just to give a little focus of that. Because it's name. I heard in recent months but didn't know what it was. The official description reads this world. War two inspired multiplayer layer. Excuse me title spices epoch. One hundred player battles with a unique resource based artists inspired meta game where commanders direct the flow of battle and coordinate powerful in game abilities that influenced the teams marched victim. He up and tackle enemy combatants online and fifty fifty skirmishes across a dynamically shifting frontline. She was one of fourteen playable roles within infantry recon armored unit types each equipped with authentic buttons vehicles and equipment. That's a lot of industry jargon and their scrub the game. I just said i don't know if this one has been at all on your radar i've seen a few people tweeting about a recently by I i like when multiplayer games like this launching the playstation plus because it gives them the audience that they need built in. But it sort of. I really has not had this one on my radar so i don't know if you've done such kind of various here. Yeah no this. One is absolutely new to me as well. I've heard a little bit about it here or there. But it's something that i'm definitely going to be trying out because it's on playstation five and i'm lucky enough to be one of the chosen few So yeah i'm. I'm actually really excited to check that out because i love a good world war t- shooter because i'm a big history buff so to me. I'm excited for that mortal combat. I can't wait to just get destroyed by the easiest ai. I kind of a bummer. Because that's a that's part of the position collection on right. Oh yeah. I believe in so like i feel like that's kind of a wasted slot for repairs. Five owners I guess if you have a ps four. that's a deal right and there's millions out there if you have a ps five already you one of the lucky few off joseph in a parking lot new jersey. He's a huge scalper which he also it's not very my ten in my trunk right now. No atmosphere babbitt will actually. You're you're sitting on the throne of right now. I feel like that's kind of a bummer. To me 'cause i would've loved to have something else there that i don't already have access through collection but if you have a. Ps four a definitely a coalition. Superfund game what's interesting to me is when these sorts of games come up and just curious to hear your thoughts. The thing that we talked about on the show a lot with playstation plus like man at such a good way to get people a spotlight on games. They may have missed or new games. That you know might be worthy of attention so game like hell loose being in here from the jump. I i get as a game to get people's eyes on it but stuff like mortal kombat tannin. Pj twenty one. I like i. I guess they are good. Inclusions if you miss those games. But mk eleven is the most recent one. That's where the player basic going to be. That's where people are going to have their focus. It's it feels like a missed opportunity of a slot. But but how do you generally feel about like the playstation plus collection playstation plus lineups. Excuse me and honestly. I think they've been really good for the past year if giving me a lot of opportunities to check out some games that i normally wouldn't have like the first one that actually comes to mind is man eater much dumb fund that game actually is. I know our community is super site for plague till innocence. Which i've got to play. But then i've gotten to re jump into it with the playstation version. So you know there's been a few mrs here or there but it's been it's been a couple of bucks snacks along the way get excited. I think this month to is is pretty good again. Like with hella lusa is more playstation. Five owners something to play and then even when it comes to like an k. ten. I did not know that was on the playstation plus collection. And i was just like you know what maybe i'll maybe i'll actually jump into. That game is while. I know like tj is is a series that is ever growing in the two k. Lineup so i think overall i'm pretty satiated burnoff. Yeah it's definitely and bright. We've talked about this a lot. It is definitely been a better year in the last year. Then there was a quiet doldrum year or two where it was kind of like what is playstation plus anymore. Yeah this is probably my least favorite month in a while I think there's some interesting stuff in there but like for somebody who has no interest in golf already has access to mortal kombat ten and hasn't laid hell at loosely. I'll give that one a shot for sure but of the three. I mean i'm thinking about the days where we used to get like four or five games. Now we're down to three one of my already one of them's golf so on though it's not even everybody's golf measure just some people's golf some people the tours cough but anyway that is the lineup that you can offer to next week. Starting tuesday october fifth of those games interested. And you're from plus subscribe. You'll have access next week. Moving on from there though did want to mention Another story that popped up this morning so that we didn't miss it. I am the big news here. Is that sort of another playstation. Acquisition was announced because now playstation studios themselves are acquiring students This morning we got word. that fire. spy I think the newest studio to join the playstation studios lineup announced that it had completed the acquisition of a manchester based studio. I'm probably going to butcher the pronunciation but Fabric games Which is you know shortly after. The irish fight was acquired by playstation themselves. So i looked into fabric a little bit. And they seem to have a They apparently did work with the studio previously on the persistence. Which was i t- Last big game i team to dabble both in vr and horror a little bit to a certain extent so The it seems like they are probably prepping to help. Hires fight with whatever they have coming next and that just sort of ups the number of people this now puts the studio at two hundred sixty five employees which is a pretty massive studio to just gently during the fold brian. I did want to touch briefly on the idea of like well. The playstation has been on this earth acqusition bent that they haven't been for years and suddenly in this year. We've seen a lot more from them. An acquisition like this might fly under the radar. But i i think it's really cool to see such a brand new studio already making moves to further solidify their base We haven't talked about firefight atanas on the show. But i'm curious what you think of. Just like these new stadiums coming in sort of shoring up their staffs. Is that getting ready for his elections. What do you kinda hope to see. You know going into the psi from them in the other acquisitions i mean the the vr hoorah thing is like very very exciting to me is a concept I feel like they are charging is like huge laser beam when it comes to the yes five. Vr psbr to whatever they wanna call it It's gonna take a while to get there right. We've talked about this in the past and the show about how it's impossible enough to find a ps five right now so selling a hundred something dollar peripheral fort is probably the best call right this second. But they'll get there eventually. Those those planets kind of aligned. I like the idea of them. Basically building like an entire army of studios here studios under those studios. If we get more horror stuff more first-person horror sophomore vr herself. I'm very into that. I'm not necessarily saying that's exactly what they'll do. That's me openly asking for that because that's awesome. That's exactly the kind of stuff. I want those experiences. I want in in vr a like. I'm a huge horrified. A huge fan of horror video games. And i love the ourself. And that's i don't usually get scared playing a traditional really open world or a third person. The stuff resident will aid had some like like definitely creepy moments and some cool horror stuff in it but vr man. That's that's that's that's when we get into the change the boxer shorts territory. I haven't put my pants forefoot. Bruno's firefighters be the first team the first time for everything. Yeah fires fight challenge. make us. we'll see you in a few years for whatever game justify. I'm curious theatre from you. Both i guess on the horror side but just in general on the on the acquisition side of things. You thought about all stations. Recent moves this these moves. He's really interests me. I i really like the the relationship playstation seems to have with these studios before the their acquisitions and when i see this one with fabric. I'm saying fabric. It's faa b. r. I k. I assume there is some sort of vowel pronunciation item butter in there. Well then people have that studio eight my fault lanes bush. It's that's a really interesting one. Because i know you know from from a little. I know this industry. I know sometimes does like the partner up with each other on projects to push certain ones along the way House mark i know has a buddy studio that they kind of have a buddy cop relationship with when they're creating their game so to me. It's like okay so they have a really tight knit relationship and they're kind of wanting to solidify that even further that's exciting and when it comes to what fire spreads actually making. That's the other thing it's like. Yeah this could be. You know some vr stuff or you know some big multiplayer thing because playstation seems to have that little bit of an obsession with a as of late and yeah that really excites me because as a ps owner and someone that loves that tack. I feel like as years go on if you like. It gets and less loves so much. So that's kind of. It's kind of like evita situation where it's collecting dust. So i would love to see them. Have some type of element horror game In there and as a great son that i am. I know i'm going to put. Vr goggles on my mother and she's going to have to play hard really great son. I did that with her in the kitchen demo and it was the funniest thing i've ever seen in my life outta that you have as right there for you. That's perfect. I know. I totally get where you're coming from and brian to your point as well what what cool i think about what i did with. The persistence is originally was for it. Came out in vr but they did make a version that you can play out of. I would imagine most likely i would. I guess brian. I'm curious to hear from both of you but like that idea right now. Brian as you were saying asking people to buy one hundred dollars more a couple of hundred dollars more attachment when they can barely find the council in the first place is a big ask so i i wouldn't be shocked. If a lot of the vr games. We see as cool as they may be in vr. Have some possibility in you know non. Vr i guess to screen space because the end of the day. You need to be making sure you're making games for at wider audience too. I think you nailed it. Yeah that's actually hadn't really considered that too much. I just keep sort of in my brain Thinking that pse are two games will largely be yard to exclusive right. I mean we saw stuff like batman. Vr there was a bunch of other games around launch. That were sort of Adjacent to that console or you know peripheral and made you want to buy it for that reason. But i think when people think about ps vr. One of the most memorable experiences have is resident evil. Set right and that's a game. That was awesome on every console. First person horror game revitalize the franchise in many ways and also if you played it in vr. Gotta change the boxer shorts like it's just no end bruce as back sardonic. You don't put we on that bryan you've brought it up guys. Keep talking about this. I don't know how to get you to stop you. You keep talking about putin the pants. I'm just really trying to calm everybody down on anybody should poop it personally unless you have to do it. You know. go go for if that's the thing no judgment. Just don't have time sometimes. Busy right i will. I will say you're starting to get a little bit. Like lucy mispronounced newark. So just just let us but just before we move off at the. I'm just curious about like your hopes. I from what you're saying. I assume you're a bit of a fan. I love so many of the the original games that were made for truth. Astronaut rescue mission can go on. But i am curious if like do think they will try to focus mainly on. Espn exclusives or games can live in both worlds. I think they're gonna try to focus on things that could live on both worlds because when they're when you're looking at what your if i'm playstation i'm looking at what the competition's doing with their studios and consistently trying to churn out a massive game either every quarter or every other month. It's like well we. We can't not do that as well. We have to ramp up and while at the same exact time support to these pieces of hardware. So how do you do it. And i think ryan either. You hit it out of the park. It's it is with those hybrid experiences. I though don't wanna lose those specials experiences with like a ghost giant where it is in vr. And that's what makes it so special or even like a moss or even about where these games if played outside the vr headset. There are really good platformer but the things that make those game. Special is the vr element. So that is the one concern that i do have with. If this approach is really the one playstations going for his. What are the experiences. I can't get anywhere else. Because if i could get get you know. Whatever their experience on playstation. While then. I don't really need the vr headset. So what's that thing gonna push me to it so no and you know what's interesting with that. I think it a point. It's it's tough to tell when you play a game built for vr but you played in non vr mode just how great it will be in vr until you try it yourself and it's hard to get your hands on something like that you know nowadays especially It's i believe it was like one in twenty years four owners auto pse vr. That was like one hundred. Fifteen million total units sold on of beijing for total as across a multiple skews. And then it was only like five six something million total sales of ucr. And that's like that's that's a pretty low attach rate but one of the things that they did note was at the people that did buy a ps vr off a ton of software. Which is you know. I think they can offset that and so part of that. Is you get people in the door. And they want to start spending money on south. I know i did the same thing. When i got an oculus quest i was i went in. The store went on a shopping spree. You do that when you buy a new console right you. Despite a bunch of launch games. Kind of go crazy. Like i remember when the sixty four came out i bought four controllers yemeni launch morton for controllers on the end sixty four zero. Yeah i just. I like i'll get four colors and then i can play mario sixty four levels with the yellow on and then switch over to the green one There's no reason to do that. But people just kind of go into a buying frenzy early on which is a smart thing to do to how all that stuff available as a playstation fog media remote. Yeah yeah. I have an apple. Tv there's no need or you just had to do it right. Yeah yeah. I i had. I had that preordered. And then i was. I stopped myself. So what are you doing double down. Yeah i watched max's on boxing videos like yeah i've seen enough. I'm good yeah. It's it's one of those things. I am very curious how they end up Pricing it in sort of what their their rollout of stuff will be. Because i think that'll make a huge difference because the the vr space is in such a different place than it was. When i came out especially with the proliferation of brian as you were saying quest as a standalone thing as wires free and obviously they're saying like this will be kind of wire situation cut. It's going to be really interesting to see how they price point it. And i think also how future proof the technology is because as we've joked on the show. The vr is using controllers that are for three now like three generations ago. It'll it'll be very curious to see what they do with it but yeah once once we get a bigger sense of what looks like obviously be talking about it on the show and i'm glad these studio seemed to be gearing up to support it in some substantial way. Moving on from there though did wanna talk on just another quick news topic There was a brief brief. I should say other was a pretty lengthy playstation blog post about how a guerrilla games is evolving a loy for horizon forbidden west Comes in a design area attack area game. Play sort of all across the board. They talked about how they're adjusting things. But there were a couple of quotes from it that i just wanted to read that kind of sort of leaned into the idea of like okay. This is across generation game. How much pushing things will the. Ps vr players be hind. Look air so just to quickly quote from that blog post. Each generation of consoles brings extra power that lets us. Add even denser polygons or character models. So he can create finer details such as each fuzz. Smooth contouring or finer extra texture. Excuse me details. An accurate material expression and not only do visual aspects benefit from the new hardware. We've also increased the number of skeletal joints. Do bring our deformations and facial expressions to a whole new level for more credible embers of character performance. All knowledge dream come true for both players and developers but the block post went on to say just because the team has been pushing the boundaries on the. Ps five version doesn't mean eps for version will be compromised We actually developed and tested game the game simultaneously on both yes for ps five because it was very important to us as a studio to ensure pius for players in equally immersive experience with our knowledge from horizon zero don. We knew that we still had some unexplored resources that could push the realism and quality of character assets forward. It's great to be able to tap into that knowledge and experience for the sequel so to start off on i guess first part of that Brian i'm i wanted to sort of put this in context of like for a long time leading up to the vs five weeks. We talked about an tom marx. Wrote i think a pretty great Op ed about this last year of like. Don't expect the biggest graphical leap with nexgen immediately. Like that's not what we're getting out of out of next gen and i think it's it's talking about things like this like such small little things that you probably as a player don't always even notice or things you wouldn't know her in there but things like skeletal joints being added and things of that nature to allow them more flexibility in their innovation everything. It's a very small minute detail. But i imagine it goes a long way behind the scenes. I'm curious what you think about like hearing about these. Things is like the big ways. They're able to adjust games going forward. Yeah i mean. They're they're treading interesting. Kind of thin line here. Because there's there's been a lot of debate from playstation fans about whether or not you know these studios should be supporting what is now seven eight eight nine year old hardware. This this is like the. The the is archaic system that said No one played horizon. Said god this game looks like crap like no one. No one did that right because as one of the most beautiful game for made. Dlc is even prettier. I i still think about like you know running around in the snow there and watching the sort of the big Sort of deform. As i stepped like there's so much amazing stuff going on on the hood. That's it. I can't wait to play that game on. Ps five. I've noticed to put that game on ps four Hopefully more people can play it on five at the time it comes out so it's it's kind of difficult because they're they're telling everyone you know you have to buy this new system if you want to see the best do but also not forgetting about you in the past. It reminds me of a lot. What hbo. Max is doing right now. Weirdly enough every one of their marketing. Campaigns is like seeing on the biggest screen possible but also please subscribe to hbo. Max where you can watch it on your phone. That's every commercial for dune suicide squad every all the big sort of like a day in day home release and big theater things like you got to see it in the i max is all these these things being like red doubt your entire town projected on the moon and then at the bottom of their lives. Please get max like they don't wanna leave their entire audience behind here on. Ps four. there's you know like we said before hundred million even more than that he has four is out there in the wild. I imagine that number is going to go up even more around black fire this year and so they don't wanna leave that audience behind You know santa monica's doing the same thing with got war. It's really tough to walk that balance of telling people you gotta get this new system. If you want to see the best you can possibly see this game. But also we didn't forget about you know hundred something million plus he has for owners and so i understand the the sort of disconnect and the debate here is a lot of playstation. Five owners are ready to move on and they just want they want. They think that the last june is holding back the next gen and gus. The developers have constantly started reiterate. That's not the case. I don't know if the audience will ever fully believe that right because we don't really know everything happening under the hood here. I have no idea how they made anything. We're looking at right now. Magic to me and source lizards But that said. I'm i am glad that they are sort of doing this right now. It does again fly in the face with sony said early on of we believe in generations. But i'm hoping that the bridge ends in twenty twenty two. I'm hoping that we get the we get the we ragnarok we get You know the the next rising game and then we move on right and then we can kind of. Leave everything behind it. Sounds like spider man and wolverine those games. I think they're gonna leave the last generation behind if they're gonna go fully forward in action only and that's a that's a good place to be eventually the kind of like older ripcord but that's the system still impossible to get right now so i don't think it's the worst thing the world they're making these big games accessible to millions of people. Yeah and joseph. I do wanna thirty. I think one thing friends that you were you were just saying that was really interesting to me to think about when it comes to that cross generational thing is and i'm not saying that like this is a definite but when you think about these two games in particular god foreign horizon guerrilla made ills channel fall for launch and then horizon two thousand seventeen and deal sea and then was pretty quiet for the rest of the generation. God of war. We got in two thousand eighteen and before that after santa. Monica was pretty quiet for that generation. Were getting both of these games at the very start of the. Ps fives life. And he has five has a life cycle. That goes for as longer near as long as the. Ps four chances are we're gonna get at least probably one more game from these studios obviously their studios that mind taking their time. They absolutely should take time. When it means better health for their employees and them getting to create the nation they want to but it gives us more potential. I think than we had a last generation which is also one of those reasons where people are like. Oh but it's holding it back. It's like but we're just at the star like you as you said they're not going to ignore the hundred us million people who could potentially by this game or the ten million who could And i get that. But i do think there's so much more to look forward to but joseph. I'm curious what you think of this sort of like generational bridging or that were in. It's a reared one. And i think yes. Sony is going to constantly fight this battle. Because i think they open their mouth way too early way too soon when it came to. Yeah we believe in generations and that is a fight that i think you're always going to kind of lose. Unfortunately until yeah you you draw that line of demarcation say no more for ps five games. This date i do think spiderman is that But yeah like even even with that said scheme looks gorgeous alloys model x. Insane like you can zoom in and you can see the peach fuzz honor cheeks like. It's it's insane the level of detail that they have on her character model alone so for me. Yeah i'm gonna be honest and say right off the bat when i saw more place for. Ps five cross games. I was disappointed. Because i listen. I have no idea how and what it takes to develop a game but when you tell me you know we believe generation so then all of a sudden your actually. I do get a little disheartened. But as i've seen throughout this past year anything like you know. A miles morales has shown that no even if this game is cross generational it's still going to be a really impressive experience so for me you know. This is a ps four ps five-game. Doesn't bum me out one bit because even with these two versions being out there you see it every month on any chart right. Mas morales is still on. That number. Five lists should five continued to sell out. So it's not like you know. We're there's playstation fives on. The shelves. just started to get those in so it's nice to see that. Yeah people really just want that true nexgen experience and it seems like even with caution ration- games it's still being driven there. So yeah it's i think you're totally right there in both of you really sort of spoke to it. It's a strange situation that they got themselves in. I do not think it would be such a sticking point. If sony just hadn't said things so definitively what us in this market situation we'd be in a very different like i think explanations would go a lot more with the audience like the audience would have Kind of gelled with it a lot more had those things not absolutely yeah. The reality of the market and how much games cost to produces. You're not gonna leave the potential of ten times. The number of audience could buy the game Just off the tape. So i'm really still excited for both. Those obviously will be covering them a lot in the month to common especially when they come out next year but before we get there One less news story before we get into games. We've implying. I do just want to briefly. Touch on there was a Last of us day celebration this past weekend Teela day orderly outbreak day. But you know sensibly. They stopped calling it that after the world through its own pandemic out not day. We got a little bit of a tease. Were playstation was essentially. A were still working. Naughty dog was like hey. We're still working on our multiplayer project. It's still happening so don't worry about it. We'll tell you more we can say more and the other big thing that we saw was the first image of the austin. Tv show that action. We'll get to the last of us. Tv show in a second. But i do want to start with you because you did put in the run of show. Joe has a few things to say about the moment. Two hundred so i do. I do want to here. Yeah first off. I loved factions. It is so it was so good. It was one of the defining moments going into the playstation. Four for me. Where for months on end. That's literally all. I played and when i talked to some of my xbox friends about there really. Is it really that big. And i'm like no absolutely was people loved their experience with it and so going into factions to the one thing. I really want to stress. Here is this needs to be free for people that have lots of us. A partout I think more so. This game needs to be a more than just playstation four and five. I really do you feel like this thing needs to be out on. Pc as well and that goes for any way station multi-player experience because to me as much as factions is amazing. You're going up against what is probably the most competitive area it's ever been in. That's the multiplayer reno when he got the likes of you know your fortnight your apex legends and all that this has some competition in a in a in a mountain to climb so to me the best thing playstation do is really put it up on as many there's words platforms as possible because i i want that thing to grow. You think it should be free to play if they could. Yes that's kind of where my brain's been going to. And i know that's like those are key words right but that that's where we were mentioned before about. Ps vr and like how it's the markets in a very different situation right. Now it's like you just said the multi-player markets in a very different situation too. And i don't know that a multiplayer only spin off to a for me beloved but too many divisive sequel coming exclusively to a next gen council. That still pretty hard to find. An i imagine still will be pretty hard to find by the time. This thing comes knowing what we know about chip shortages of his crew I i'm kinda with you. Hear a i i think that putting this on a bunch of different platforms and boosting that player base. Getting a bunch of people in the door. That's how you that's how you make a hit multiplayer game right. All the games you mentioned before are successful. because they're easy to jump into they They are accessible on multiple platforms. Sometimes you in mobile not saying that. That's what playstation should do here. But you know getting getting this in more places the better right and figuring out a way to sort of like really. Make us enticing. The thing things you mentioned You know. I think about it for night and apex. Those are those. Are you know over watching. Even suffer gut last of us is really violent brutal. Like i think that's where it can kinda set itself apart. From some of the competition it's got it's built on some truly visceral just bloodthirsty kills and next napping and you don't bash do from the heads Like just very guttural just cut people open blood shoot. Never that's i think a gift and the curse right because that sets it apart from a lot of sort of like free to play multiplayer nonsense. It's out there and also maybe moves a lot of children out of out of the scenario. Although they'll find a way to sneak in iowa's did came to watching our stuff for plenum rated cell phone. I wasn't allowed to fit. Like i walk down a highway new jersey to by the original mortal kombat and mortal kombat to when it came out. I'm after saving lunch money. I was a child and you know someone told it to me so evil. Get into matter. What but. I think that that's a good way to separate itself as soto. Here's his ultraviolent multiplayer game. It's different than your four nights. It's different than even your halos and stuff like that. And so i think that that's a smart move but yeah it's it's going to be tough for them to find an audience there if if they don't make is as accessible as possible to as many people by putting it on multiple platforms by putting it in the hands of people Maybe making it free for a little while or something like that. So yeah it's it's an appeal battle and i think like the interesting thing about this story is. He doesn't seem like we're going to be playing this game anytime soon. Like it seemed to live further away than i thought it was. I thought this was going to be something that was gonna be around the launch last of us to which is now a while ago and then got pushed. No doesn't sound like it's ready yet. I totally expected a year. One sort of he has five surprise. Type italy's where it was like. Hey we have one more thing for you as going into you know maybe there will be sort of like an alpha or a beta or something in the next year or so but i agree with you. It does feel like it is further out than i would have thought because they probably have teased an art asset or the name or something here and we didn't get anything to that nature and and maybe they're just trying to keep things really close until they're ready to show it all some developers to prefer to do that obviously but yet were really space with it and justify totally think you're right like getting this to as many people as possible as a across platforms or whether it's free to play like whatever they do is the way to set it up for success at this point. I mean halo. Infants multi player is going to be free to play at his absolutely the the xbox multiplayer to play the reason they want you to probably get an xbox series x is principal and not that the last of us multiplayer will necessarily be the reason to get a ps five for many people but it could potentially be such an awesome experience. You're saying joseph like actions was so good and to think like just the additions of what was partout. Mechanically did for stealth and a and things of that nature like. There's a lot of a lot of potential there and so it would be a missed opportunity to knock it into as many hands as possible to ensure its because i think the thing factions had against it was that it kind of was ignored because the last of us was so focused on the single player in its marketing in the know in the celebration of at year's end awards and things of that nature actions kind of unfortunately got forgotten despite how good it was In the wider few certainly people loved it but and if if there's a game to take notes off of it is actually halo infinite and to see how they're rolling things out with that free to play structure and seeing how they also handle things like battle passes. If i am naughty dog and they're economists that they hired. I'm taking this. Sit back and jot down notes and seeing what what happens there because yeah mistakes are going to be made along the way and you kinda wanna wanna make sure you're going in at with the most paved road as possible so these multiplayer experiences. I also think that one of the sort of the dots. We haven't connected yet right here. Is that the. When the show launches its going to reach an audience. That game never reached right. It's going to reach the you know casuals but it's going to reach people who watch prestige. Hbo television and they're going to get hooked on it. I think people burned out on walking. Dead and i think the last of us presents a world. It's different there in terms of sort of zombie. Jason stuff and i think that it's going to be a hit show and i think naughty dog will need something day and date to capture that excitement and fervor around the show and to have a video game that people can access. Whether it's you know. We read the rumors a couple of years ago or a couple of months ago. actually about Sort of the last of us remix tweak. If it you know. It's two years. And i think it'd be very hard for them to have something present there. That's that's how you solve the problem of. How do you get an audience to play this game halo i. They've dabbled in television experiments before. But this is this is going to be a big. hbo show. And so. I think that's a really cool thing to to go. Watch his show. Go os based on a video game. Oh there's a video game right here. I completely free to play great amend and they try I think that that's a huge sort of way to bridge the gap there An and boosted the numbers on on your multiplayer game. it frankly your average multiplayer. Experience doesn't have a big procedure. Hbo show to back it up. So i think there could be something really cool there if they if they can align the planets and the game is ready for. When the show's ready. I know that's not how game development works chose. Don't notoriously get delayed. The same reasons aims. Do you know like pedro. Pascal is not gonna get stuck in the geometry for a couple of episodes and they'll have to delay the show for a year. he might. I watched that they actually do need to do a patch update to patriots. Firmware should delay the chauffeur and actually they did have the delayed a week because he was stuck in craft services in the table. Yeah his jacket. Textures did not pop in time for the. Yeah those are those imax cameras that you just to briefly touch on that. Of course there was read. I don't know if you have the image. But there was that first image of the last of a show. Which i i more than seeing the image itself. I enjoyed the rumor-mongering about it. That came out after. I don't know either of you caught this. But essentially people are like. Hey last us. They happen and there wasn't really any big news in the morning. It was kind of just like here's some of the merge that we're doing here's an and it's cool stuff. I think it's a bit much to expect. Like brand new announcements every year from a single franchise but he will seem to want to know a little bit about what. The future of the last of us was hours later randomly in the middle of the night on sunday. Here's the first look at the last and it was this behind the back. Image of elian joel Looking out at sort of an abandoned abandoned a a sort of barren hill There was a sort of crashed Airplane believe it's an airplane crashed airplane there. It is for those watching the video version off in the distance. And that's pretty much it i. I don't think we need to link like too long on this. But brian just quick fought for me. Sure does look like the last of us. It does I remember the last time. I saw like an image for a movie or tv. Show that made me want wish up on the joystick and just walk into it. Like that's there's something very special about that and again this is you know Territory that we all know well but the show runners and writers have said that they're going to deviate from the source material bit here so i think that's really cool like at the very least. This is an awesome to introduce an entire new audience to to a story. That's really great. Maybe you don't like last. That's on you whatever but If not then for people like us who played those games. Think of this is sort of like an alternate retelling or drc or something like that like this supplemental content for something that we love and for other people. It's an introduction into this world. That i think we can all agree whether or not like all the stories go i do this is this is. This is a place like this is not a great place. It's a terrible place with this is this is an awesome place for a story and there's really really cool stuff happening in this world and i'm excited for it. This is this is spot on is looks like i want to show to look so. I'm in in in brian. Don't apologize for like in the last part i won't i won't yeah those twelve people on twitter saying i feel like i have to like every opinion has to be by this impenetrable circle of making a force field so i can say to myself like i like this. It's okay if you don't like it. The thing is that to get into this again here. We got recorded. The thing about the last of us to is that there are people who have legitimate qualms gripes with the story and they unfortunately get lumped in with like you know garbage people to and that sucks because i think the last jedi is the same situation there to serve fried political minefield ryan. I'm here to tell you. I don't like the last jedi. I and i perfectly fine with you like that's okay. That's okay. But i think i think with all those things. There are reasons to like it. There reasons to not like it and there are people who are like mad at it for like very stupid reasons. And all of that gets lumped in together. And i think that's unfortunate but i think the show is going to do interesting things. I think the show is also going to divide people who like oath games because it's going to do new things there too and that's okay as well. I don't wanna wanna one retelling of something. I've already played so. Bring it on. Yeah no sign of for me. I just thought for the casting. It was just this. This is a joke stole from twitter by the way. Is this very brave choice to cast. Chris pratt is ali. I just thought it was very brave. But it's really interesting honestly to take a look for the most part. People are really pumped to see pedro as joel and as a hispanic. I'm very excited to see hispanic play one of my favorite characters in a video game but it's awesome to see people for the most bark and he gets them toxic people in their go. Oh my god pedro's in here the mandatory himself he loves. Fetch quests. Let's go. Let's do this. And you get the opposite response when you get the announcement of like chris. Pratt being mario because when it comes to pedro and when it comes to this the cast they've got for the last of us. They have such range to them. Like patriot can be the action star. You've also seen him in serious roles as well. And so when you take a look at bella ramsey as well like she performed so well on game of thrones. They kept giving your scenes because she just kept eating among so for me. This screen shot. Give me exactly what i needed to see. Which is what. I would think it would be in a tv production right in front of me and i'm all in man very excited totally bryant to your point earlier if like wanting to push up press up on the control stick. When i saw the back of pedro in that shot i was like. Oh my god. I have seen the back of dole's head and torso so much in my life and van. They really captured that out which was like such a weird specific thing. Obviously when people watch. That's not going to be the important part man. It really did get that good. And so i appreciate that. The the first look was a video game. Ask screen shot. I think to help bridge the gap people but yet really excited to see that. I guess we'll be starting to cover movies and tv on this podcast because we've got more a station. Tv shows and movies on the way but a twisted metal show. Anthony mackie yes. We've got that we've gotten goes to see shimon movie last of us. I can't wait for ape escape reality show but until we get covering all those. Let's talk a little bit about the games we've been playing before we run out of time and just i do want to start with you. I know you a before the show. You've jumped back into death. Stranding have yes Came out last friday. i think it was. I forget how dates work So this is of course. The director's cut version. That kajima wishes wasn't called the director's cut version but is a director's cut version Ads in while the of life update some new items Some new missions in their erasing many games sort of sorts in there. Just how did you approach jumping into direct. Oh man so for those of you. Who don't know does she. Ending is my first. Kojima game. Average jumped into i dove in because for me i was a wee little talk in the ninety so i never got into metal gear. It just never caught me at the right time by the time. Like four or five came out on mike. It's four or five games deep. This is a lot i'm intimidated. So distracting was like perfect. Get to see. How weird kojima is i get to you know. Go into this universe completely fresh and i get it kojima zone weird man. But i appreciate all the weirdness that he throws and for me as someone who's enjoyed the game more for its actual gameplay than the story itself this director's cut actually didn't kind of entice me too much. Because i actually like industrious. That i'm not. It's not always shooting shitty bang bang. I'm causing all types of explosions. It is just more of a tranquil experience of plotting out your your map going from point a two point two point z and even on playstation for pro where it was beautiful here on place asia five. It's absolutely gorgeous like the draw distance and the details in the draw distance. It's one of those things that i love and video games. Where devs do something and it breaks my brain. How did you do that. that's wizardry. Yeah this game looks drop dead. Who are just. And i think for me when i was jumping into this game. There is one part. I needed to see for myself. Which is chapter six chapter eight where you're in this tundra and blew my mind on playstation four where it's just like it really felt like i was in this blizzard like i was getting chills and so jumping into place five with ten percent and the three d audio and all that it just it just sounded incredible and with the haptic features. It also feels pretty darn good though. I do have some gripes with the dual. Sound support like kajima. You're weird dude yet. Weird with the dole sense. And i feel like a lot of the times he he played it safe there but for me. I didn't get to dive into a lot of the extra stuff because the shooting again. Does it really impress me much. But i wasn't able to because man the way you you cross jen. Savviness appears four. Nps version of the game is Say it's a lot. Yeah you brian for And for those who don't usually have to go in game and deliver your save to yourself. Yes so You have to make sure you don't have other deliveries going on you have to kind of situate- yourself specifically in the game To get things where it needs to be in order to up that safe you know what as as an outsider. Who won't play this. I appreciate that level of frustration. I feel like that's very on brand for a kajima and be this game. So i also understand why that would be a pain in certainly not out of stuff but a step but does of i totally there with you. I jump back into my like endgame. Save at the final chapter just to i. Didn't i loved building roads in that game and genuinely really really enjoying that section of the game. But i didn't really want to just rebuild all my roads all of a sudden. So i wanted to be able to jump into the little bells and whistles that were added. But i'm i'm with you. I think the shooting is the thing that i like. The combat is the thing i cared about offering strength and it was the expiration and the the building of structures and the giving likes to people so that our structures were mutually benefiting each other and things of that nature. And i like if you didn't enjoy that experience in in the base game. I don't really think the director's cut well. Demonstrably change all of that again. I didn't start from the beginning but i. I like those additions. I do think there are some cool. Things we're seeing like. The catapult catapults is really cool and silly. And i love it. Yeah some better support skeletons. In ways to bring more stuff with you at the jump rap to which i kind of had to really get the hang of how it properly jumps jumps you that. There are some additions that definitely help that. Oddly soothing grind of delivering packages that. I enjoy like if that was. You didn't connect with. I don't think these things will make it more fun for you necessarily but i didn't. I do think it makes it a little bit easier for some people who who maybe had some some difficulties with The delivering capabilities or some of the limitations there. And like you said. I think i think for what it is as a game that was essentially a remastered to the ps five and not a game built with the dual sense in mind. I think you know. The feeling of the the rushing river is goes by. You feels pretty great. It's directional and things both from the sound end the dole sense. But you're right. It immediately made me think. Of like i i hope. Could you might make some other playstation game. I know there are talks about him. Partnering with xbox hope he makes another playstation game. I want to see him get real weird little sense like he seems so perfect young and i do want to just say shout to game that has predicted what we're going through in this global condition that we find ourselves in because at times. I'm playing this. I'm like this is hitting close to home. This is really like door. Dash in a post apocalyptic situation amazon just delivered twenty nineteen save file. Today i have to install that i there were those city getting hit by the hurricane and seeing like there was a viral twitter video where like adored ask driver was going through the just entire servants. Like oh yeah. That's kind of what you do. Norman redesign this game off so it is. It is scary impression in that way and it is interesting to revisit that world and you. I don't know from going to spend quite a long time with that game. I think i've spent like sixty hours. I don't know if i'm going to spend another sixty with it. But i'm enjoying dipping back into it for for a little bit for Moving on from there joseph. Anything else that you've implying that you even drawing particularly on a shutout shoutout akina man. This game just punches above its way constantly through. Its visuals. how how you can see. They love the themes and the tone from legend his own mature as mask. And you know. I was listening to last week's episode when y'all talked about their their short film that they did with majority asking how it plays with that tone. I actually think of of of what i without going to. Spoilers the tones of mature as mask in this game and how they handle it just even better. I really love the little story that they're telling here and just the musical score as well is so legend is outed in me that i was like am home this this. I'm reminded like i'm transported back to when i was nine years old in the gang water temple. It's it is just such a great experience. So if you are playstation five user Is definitely like a musket. Must by just for the habits and will alone welfare little indie game which i feel like indies have out used that haptic or the adapter triggers. All too well hearing the little creek of the bow. God bone arrow arrows. Definitely gonna be. I think a common way. We see the triggers us. But this probably is my favorite so far of like a trigger. Pull in that way. It does really the tension of it works really while the reverberation of it is is is very well communicated through the tickets. It's really impressive Brian have you gotten a chance to play. More cannot a little bit more. I so screwed up and i Decided to like show this game to my toddler. And she's obsessed with it. But i also don't play unless she's there now so i've i've kind of handcuff myself to her schedule tiny but i try to make it like an experience. We share together so even though it does get a little dark and scary at times. But i'm still chipping away at it. I got sidetracked by some of the games that we'll talk about in the second but his man it's been another giant week video games. I don't know when people are a supply everything leasable. Yeah and it's our job to and i am struggling to find all the time i do. Yeah i can't recommend enough that people have you beaten. Can joseph or all i've platinum okay. Now for the for the does there. I platinum completely non cheese completely legitimate. Oh wink arrigo. I was rating. Because no i totally use the exploit. Some people treating me like hey. I hate difficulty trophies. I just don't think yes. I actually really like master difficulty. I was playing. I played about halfway through. And i think the challenge of israeli fun but for like a digital fake reward. That kind of means nothing to ask me like i'm not. I'm not gaining an award for playstation. If you wanna give us awards again for at great I it just doesn't add. To the extent it makes that way through feel like a chore rather than an opportunity to engage with the game on a deeper level like the absolutely is if i have this podium for just a second to any developer listen. Please don't lock your trophies behind difficulty settings totally it's just inconvenient for me i got so much time in a day and for me platinum trophies means i loved my experience so much. This is a token of my love for example love bloodborne and by the way it's been two thousand three hundred eighty one day since la i that game i love it so much. Shame harry yeah. Well it's just like a token of gratitude and also we have one hundred and fourteen days since or l. during so whether everybody now that's that's a much more exciting than the other one. Would he said i know right. It's like when are we going to get that up please. Joseph i will say an amendment to your difficulty is that i think that if new game pluses implemented i think that like sort of eases. Is it a little bit right. Like if if Finish qena and then all yourself carries over jump over the higher difficulty. And that's that was. That was my thing with resume before you know I one of the reasons. I play that game. All the time is like you'll beat the game and then you can move on to like sort of new game. Plus situation with a higher difficulty said That i love. I think that's great sort of make good to get people to repeat by through but if it's just playing the entire game again from scratch on a slightly harder difficulty i don't i don't think that's the most creative use of a platinum trophy or and there is no new game plus qena which makes it more frustrating. I think if there were and it was like. Hey there's one more ability to unlock it in master or there's you have all your stuff from the beginning so you're you're getting the hang of things more as you go throughout the story. He wouldn't feel as as tough. And i agree with you. Joseph i think like locking platinum behind that when i feel the exact same way a platinum trophy to me is like i loved this game so much that i strove for this because i wanted to see every aspect of the game not that i beat my head against the wall in order to get this thing every time. And so yeah. There's there's a balance to it but other than that huge fans of canada here so absolutely one of my game of the year and this year is tough. It's a great year. Yeah i do want to get into a couple of other games in one that brian. You had put down and that. I have played as well is hot. Wheels unleashed and before we get into that game. I do want to briefly throw to actually spoke to the executive producer of hot wheels. Only to talk a little bit more about the game for those who don't know milestone the developers has a long lineage and recent game so he's a little bit about that a little bit about Their plans for postwar support. And kind of just how they're huge hot wheels nerds and wanted to make a really great hot wheels game Let's throw to that interview. Now allow everyone. I am very excited to be talking about hot. Wheels unleashed which comes out this week. September thirtieth. i've been playing at a bunch and absolutely loving it. I'm very excited. Because we have an executive producer of the game. The cal colletti. Thank you so much for joining me to talk about hot. Wheels unleashed Really appreciate you taking the time. I've i've been having a blast excited to jump in about a little. Thank you for inviting me. And i'm eager to talk about the game so i wanted to start off with A little bit of a wider picture. Big picture question. Because obviously milestones in the development team has such history with a really authentic racing experiences. Whether it's under gp rider or various other games. Obviously hot wheels unleashed. I would say it's very authentic to the toys but you have a very stylish sort of hyper. Realistic racing series. Here may be in comparison. How what was there any major difference for the team. I suppose in tackling hot wheels unleash compared to pass series. The team has been so great. It's developing well yes. There has been some huge differences because When you move from a game like the no modal. Gp or cross to appeals to reset everything and we start from from the idea that we wanted to make a game. Didn't feel like the usual heart game. You're used to so very script based with very light physics. We wanted to have a different approach. And i think it's shows a lot in when you pick up the game so we had to reset to this side with were the ingredients the basic ingredients of the game so we had something to do from the very blank page and we started experiments so our our out degree our tradition of using physics and taking a realistic luke to to the sports into the racing game genre shows because we wanted to recreate something that felt substantial. Didn't have to feel to lights to too easy too. Simplistic so overall the game feels like that. A carson underweight. Everything is not so easy. Not so super simplified. While bang still doable while being still fun all the time so we had to change perspective. While i think some of our dna shows through the lines and you can read through and see our heritage in even in hopeless unleashed so. It's something that we have a long time to prepare a. It was not something done overnight but the more we were experimenting the more we understood that the way was paying off so the result is now in your hands and it's an absolute blast play. I've been having a lot of fun testing my skills and and definitely getting beat here and there By the way. I but it's as you said there's a it feels like it may be simplistic at the start. Because you're playing a hot wheels game and you may think oh it might be specifically targeted to kids. But that doesn't feel like the case of all the second you start playing. There's a easy to pick up and play but there's a lot of complexity to it as well and one of the the things that you mentioned was sort of the physics focus. And i did want to talk about at the really interesting ability in particular to sort of orient your car while in the air you know while going over a jump you have a lot of control over sort of the the direction that your car is going to land. Was that something. That was there very early in the creation of this game. And how did that affect development of the tracks that you're on the level layout well starting from scratch we. We started with the idea that the game didn't need to be too simple. But it shifting the focus towards the basic driving skills. I meant that avoid to overload the player with things to do to keep in mind and to care about for example. The first result in the prime result is the absence of weapons. Not only because of the licensed mama not only because we want them do differentiate from other games but also because mentioned hot wheels with the complexity in the driving is slightly higher. In other arcade games adding weapons. It would be simply too much to frantic too to too too much to dominate. So when we were starting to experiment with physics and with the basic driving we understood that at the same time we needed some in air control. That goes away from the actual physics from the book but it was needed to land correctly was needed to do some jumps. And that unleashed hand. Sorry for the job. And unleashed some civilian is like there are some tracks where midair you have to flip the car completely to land because you are asked to a matinee and then so when gravity san you you land on another part of the we need to flip over so the more we add some tools to experiment the more our imagination and creativity was was enabled to to to to bloom into the truck designed into the environment's so it was something like you start with some idei. You take some consequences you evolved from that and you think. What can i do with this possibilities with this stills and this not only related to physics of to the graphics because you know it's the first awesomely hawkers game with a realistic visual approach and this was a consequence because it's based in our dna to route some realistic physics own graphics so it was obvious for us to do such a thing and that leads believe Amazingly to the next thing that i wanted to talk about and by the way. This is filled with a wonderful puns and jokes. so that fit right in with our usual but I did want to talk about. This game is beautiful. i. I think that wasn't necessarily thing. I was thinking before. I decided to play a hot wheels game but it is absolutely gorgeous. And the both the level etele around you in the world as well as just with the cars and all the different types of materials that they're made out of sort of the the dedication to making those really come through is it's so impressive to see in motion and i was wondering Both perhaps obviously this cross christian available and multiplatform. But i did having access to next gen consoles. The now. Current consoles allow the team to to amp up that dedication to those very realistic very beautiful physics or excuse me graphics while it's been one of the biggest challenges of the game because when you come out with nintendo switch through the past generations through the max so current generation are pc. You have to care about lots of things to sustain performances visuals quality but on the very Basic choice words to have a realistic look. So we usually studied mania. All the hawkers games in the past. And you know. There has been something from playstation times until very very recently and in history. Hustles games three visuals in simplified way sometimes because of the performances of the hardware because our old of games of mobile games sometimes as as choice like it's not the toy it's it's an ideal vision the toy inside the game or sometimes it's a real size car like enforcer so it was basically the most obvious choice to do and the only one that was not being taken to represent the cause as they are and to also the moment we tried it. Lazarus canning some some some cars and putting them in into the into the engine. It just sound felts super good because these are the cards we love not in our diversion not stylish version not a real life version necessarily these were the causeway loft and so putting this style in interview environments and an into the trucks was something like again consequential some choices you make on again di environments needed to lots of reworking. We had to work in a way that we never did before. Because usually we re copay real trucks so it's not something that we're used to so we dropped in. Some white box is so some very draft with only shapes of the environments just stand if the cise division of environments The shape of the job were were too many too few very friendly to creating the trucks so redirected a lot in we just only some high level ideas like we want to make an abandoned garage. Okay but what should we put into the carriage. And so sometimes we're the were too few elements. Sometimes there were too many so it looks like good but we. We were never able to rake tracks in a breeze inside that environment. Manley settle do some compromise to achieve the best effect in terms visuals gameplay Being able to ask something. I agree for the creators of the tracks. That use the the edito so it was something like we were learning along the way to do something we had never done. But we were with some very clear ideas and removed With these ideas in mind in trying to reach the ultimate goal so it was something that looking back. It was the journey. But i think that we've stick to our vision. I at least for me personally. It absolutely paid off as a kid who had more hot wheels than i could count and would prefer to admit It's it's really impressive to see them. Come to life in this way as you said it is a. You're taking what they actually are in real life and putting it into the game rather than making this as you said sort of idealized version of what that car might look at it as a real sized car and it's it's a joy to both with those because of that nostalgia but also because it's just a really beautiful fund raising game that you that you all have created you. You didn't touch on something. I wanted to mention which was the the creation sweet elbow here. There's a really in-depth level editor and car customization Abilities in here with deliveries and everything for your car they able to create a and i've i've had joy i've already lost several hours. Trying to perfect looks for my car is and i was curious about why for the team. That was such an important part of of including the game or You know decide on how expansive to make those elements because for me. At least they feel quite expensive but like really easy to get into an anna joy to kind of build. The truck editor was the most complicated and technically challenging to implement at because he's the very same tool that our designers use the create the trucks. You can find into the game so this was the very very same tool that we are offering to to the players so we can expect to have some designs up to the level of what we have done or possibly even crazier because we had some how to tame our attitudes to do super crazy tracks because it could be something like about puzzle race but we don't want to have an in game tracks building and to be a much towards being a challenge. They have to be enjoyable. But these this editorial allows you rake bonds special parts. Great tons tweet Banged the pieces. So it's quite of our technical technological challenge because it's all modular it all works from intend to switch ought to be so it's been a white variety to to to create it and it was interleaving with the creation of the transfer of the game so it was very very complicated to to work on but at the same time this was very very basic me off the game because it's the very spirit of hotrails the strike. So where else should they run. We use also art of the environmental We expect players to use the environment as arc of the setting but would not be helpless game without the iconic orange truck so it had to be this way again. It's something that is not a usual because such powerful. I think it's the first time you can't see it. But it had to be this way. It was one of the pillars of the game. Livery editor is not something that you immediately connected to the operas franchise because you know hopkins cars. They come in multiple liveries over the years. The same casta will be re should in different liveries so it's one of the parts of the joys to collect. All the differently varies that will come out through the years but again being game we wanted to have something for the players to to play with to create to be attractive to personalise themselves when when the go online for example so again from our other game sites preternatural to introduce the editor and When you put your hands on oculus carbon delivery editor you understand the full potential. Because it's something very very natural. Do you fly some sparkle the ada you start attaching stickers and. It's super nice in this way. So even if it's not immediately coming from hopper franchise soups perfectly for the game against the big challenge because this muggles are pretty complicated to to be able to be painted on again. We're already seeing some crazy. Liveries opping out. So that's the missions. Yeah i i can't wait to see you want. The wider public is really in there on mass. Of just how. How many amazing you know. Concepts and car designs people are able to come up with You're seeing a few already it. It's been really exciting to jump into that. I i was curious of course because as you said you know hot. Wheels you may see the release overtime indifferent Ormes and whatnot but obviously there is a sort of course selection of i believe over sixty cars in the game at launch. What was sort of the the car selection process for the team because obviously there are those who may not have jumped in yet. There are stats. Teach the cars that you're able to upgrade and whatnot. So so how did. The team decided on what cars to included in the sweet. Go with well if you like the mix of abro and very santic approach so and everything in between because when you well. I'm a collector of our people. The teams are hopkins. Collectors are a former players some some decades ago. And when you understand the hotels world understand that there are the real world. Cars are the original hopeless modal saga. There are people that one the other. Both of people focused on single tanneries like muscle cars. Some there are some people incredibly crazy about a single modo so we had to find a way please. Some how old is possible. Owens's and in this way we have to find a good balance of between super famous moguls. Something that was impossible to me. There were accelerators found. There were fans like me real world cars so we had to to try to move from three hundred hours selection for daily on than one hundred fifty down to a reasonable number in order to find a good balanced and keep in mind that the cars into game. I'll only be. Visually estimate also graded in terms of gameplay if you find something like of a car and you like it to be brought onto the higher levels. You can't Power rates using the costumes and to to empower the car. So you can make it faster and moving on than other categories so we try to give something that would please possibly all the. It's possible completely. No but we would all possible efforts to capture old. The hotwheel lover tigers in into the game and the response of fargos. Good it it definitely. I'm sure it is no easy task as you as you were saying but it feels like the sweet available cars here is is a really good sort of a cross section of all the various types of hot wheels fans. You were mentioning to make sure that there's something here i think for everyone and as you said if you you find a common car. They're certainly a few that. I've collected the game. But i i really wanna stick with them. I've been upgrading them. And and boosting them up can And that new joy to keep them with me as progress. I did of course ask as well. There are plans though for those who may want even even more cars. There are postal entre plans for the game as well. Yes there are are in game. There are some newt boxes that are not actually loot boxes. Because you don't have to pay for them so the overall locking system works in this way with without the use of real money while in the future in the near future and for a long time to be a number of hate additions to the game from even also some of them will be free. So there's gonna be some vehicles young so single vehicles to be added to the game. There's going to be some season passes. There's also some other contents with some more full flash expansions introducing possibly new themes. and you. thanks so is going to be revealed in detail along the way. There's going to be ray season so like many. Other games are using seasons to unlock something. That is free and then something else that he's a paid with some more content to be a loft so the the the basic game is very very full-fledged. Nice there's got to be something coming on for many many months so brian paid so there tends to enjoy a hot wheels now. An in future and also layers be producing content on their own. So there's going to be a tone of content to be enjoyed from from on the fan base. So i think it's going to be quite lively for a very very long time. I hope it will as well. Because i've i've been having a blast these last few days within as he said i appreciate the the approach. The team has taken a everything in the base game. You're locking at as you mentioned. The the loop boxes are not paid for. It's just with the in game currency that you're collecting And it's really great to just even cursing me to go back to the races to. Oh i miss that time trial let me go try. That one can get a few more coins to be able to get another car to. It's it's been a really great Joy to experience all of that and to see what other players are creating. And i can't wait to see what's what's ahead from the team our. We're just about at times. I did want to ask since you were mentioning. Sort of the The decision making process of it all was there any particular car model that you really wanted to make sure it was in the game that got in there launch. Well now that you talk about it. Let me say that. Might possibly favorite endgame could be the audi quattro nice. that's great. There may be other like that obviously will be in the future in the game that maybe didn't find some spot into the game. But when i see this one. I really love it. There are other cars that are have been actually scammed by by by my own. 'cause so it's very nice to know that your car is actually physically somehow into the game. That's amazing i. I love that so much the team. Obviously they're huge hot wheels fans on staff but as a fellow hot wheels fan. I just wanted to say it's it's been incredible to to play into the attention to detail and care that went into this game Southern cal thank you so much for joining me to talk about the game a little bit of and having a blast and definitely recommend everyone out there a checkout hot wheels unleashed if you need even more convincing our review is up on. I gave it a nine. It's amazing totally stabbed by that. It's a blasted cal. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks jonathan as always for that amazing interview brian. I do want to hear your thoughts on how wheels since i spoke a little bit about it in the interview. But how how are you feeling about it. I think it's fun as hell. it's a. it's incredibly toy epic which is a word. I think run out around a lot. But in this scenario it totally works when you get cars and you kind of pick them up and spin around on next gen the. It's it's pretty tough to get those textures down of something. That's like a metallic or plastic or something that looks like a hot wheels toy you had as a kid and they nailed it here I really also like the the track design in the way that it. You'll like something that you could conceivably lay out in your house if you are extraordinarily rich as a kid and your parents just left and were never coming back but they left like a million different ramps around the home. It appears together building taxes. Superfund to My gripe with this game is the economy in the way on lockable rollout or lack thereof early It's kind of grind to unlock cars in this game you do so by basically getting lube boxes that you can purchase with in game currency hard dollars. Whatever they're called. I forget and ninety five hundred to get har you yamaoka about thirty of these car bucks her race some races. Don't even give them to you and so do the math there. It takes a little while to unlock one thing which you open and you might even get duplicate when you open it so doing that gives you a chance to sell it back or a trash it for parts we can you. You can use for upgrades if you wanna buy cars individually. There's a shop at are like like twelve hundred or more car bucks each day and it's a grind to get them. I'm not. I'm not gonna lie like i think that's like one of my biggest sort of like a gripes about this game is that it is so much. Fun gameplay is so awesome. The cars are gorgeous. The really fun to customize. It's got this really awesome sort of action figure or like you know blind box approach to it which i dig. It's scratches a lot of sort of like very primal kid collecting toys sort of things in my head total and i just wish it was a little bit easier to get the cars which like i don't think it's like battlefront to launch bad or anything like that but i do hope that developers take note of just like how kind of grinding it is right now and they like it takes a while to get the delorean. Yeah bummer yeah. I i would say a good aspect of it is that you will good and bad since it's a grind. It almost makes you want to be able to but there's no real world money that you have to pay any of the car. It wouldn't be bad to be able to kind of pay if you really really wanted one. But at least like to. Brian's point that these aren't like these are blind boxes. Essentially you're never being asked to pay five dollars to get a blind box thing like that so at least it is all in game but i agree with you. I've i've been loving the aim. My girlfriend has been creating amazing custom versions of the cars. You can you can customize your own cars but it is taking a while to get more than four or five cars in my garage. One one thing. I do love about this game. A lot is The boost feature every every game has sort of act that netra boost button and most racing games. Either give them to to you. After a successful power side. Mario kart or just let us basically three per race right in their finite here Depending on how you're racing you're constantly filling up is circles and successful power sides. Fill them up faster. You can boost like puns of times peres so like the faster you're going the more your power citing the better. You're playing the more you're boost is is filling up and you're just like constantly in this zen groove of just like constantly going faster and faster and faster which i totally love. It's got this awesome. Archaic field to. I recently played a cruise in blast on switch and that was that was really fun to and so this has been a really cool month out of nowhere for kind of like vintage arcade racing style games And this this game is stunning to. And it's got some really fun to yeah. Yeah i i did not expect a hot wheels. Game would be the game. One of the games this year or the most i went. Oh wow this is beautiful but it is us. I'm planning on. Ps five at is surprisingly gorgeous game. any brand. It's really fundraiser. i agree the grind. I think is the biggest problem there will be a as mentioned the interview post launch Both paid for Like season passes as well as free on walkable cars and seasons of things that you can You know as you go so there will be a balance of those things to come as well but I have a question. Yeah do ascend support. What's what's happening with the triggers. Look like that's my big thing. If you got good happen. I'm in that's up to five. Got me yeah totally. It's i would actually say it's not like super noticeable. You can feel the engine abet. I would say in the triggers ryan. I don't know if you've been playing on. Ps five or elsewhere. But it's it's not something that blew me away necessarily. It feels a little bit more subtle. It kind of feels like standard rumbled. Emulate the engine. The feel of pushing in the the right trigger to go kind of has a little bit of give to 'cause you're you're pushing into the pedal cars works. I can't drive. I'd like out of this world interesting enough. i would suggest remapping that controls. So that your your gas isn't on the trigger enough because it's you're holding down the trigger the entire time and it's just a lot you know it. Yeah it can be a lot. Yeah gen- generally really fun can check out our full review and jan for more and thank you again to the executive producer of how unleash for taking the time to talk with them. I'm really excited to see what they add amazon. Last not least just briefly mentioned for after about brandon. You've been playing a little bit. And i've implying just not sure if you have a hassle vini advanced collection on now. I have yelled about wanting this game for years. And then they finally surprised us with it in the playstation direct This is a compilation of circle of the moon harmony of distance and aria of sorrow. I could've said any words and probably would have sounded like a castle. Vania title believed you. Those are the three gb games. As well. As i think dracula x which is a much older castle vania. Um those three ones were the the way i was introduced to castle vanya and i have such fond memories of playing the gbi a on car rides with the magnifying light attachment that you would put over the screen to be able to see it in the dark but it's still barely was noticeable especially circle of the moon is a very dark at points but i've i loved these games. They were foundational in my love. Metro visas and i'm so happy to have them. I'm playing through chronologically. Some stone circle of the moon. It's been nice to revisit them. I there's this weird debate that suddenly is retroactively. Saying some of them are bad. I don't know about that. i'm enjoying them. Brian as a. I think even bigger castellini final andy. Here your yeah. I've been playing castle video game since the symphony tonight. One of my favorite games ever made phenomenal phenomenal game. Just if. I don't know if you've played that i'm not a castle. Genia person at all. I know i'm surprised because you love blood. It's so much of the similar dna. I in in. That's what gets me very excited about these. I'm actually debating hopping into these games. Begins my love bloodborne. Well it's not to be a salesman here. It's i think it's twenty bucks. It's a yeah it's only twenty bucks more. I bought this instantly without even thinking about it. But i'm playing through chronologically as well. I'm trying to hunt percentage map apologies. Tim do games. I i excuse. I'm playing stuff from literally. Twenty years ago. Several the moon is awesome. If you wanna play if you want to relive what it was like to play the game on gpa near tv settings from the brightness all the way down to basically nothing and then hold a flashlight and pointed screen. That's that's gpa mode. Yeah there's a podcast beyond exclusive note. Please let game like that now. These are gorgeous. Play them in pixel perfect mode. Turn off the settings pop up a description of it. There's like a weird hard that pops every tile. Yeah you hit an enemy. Turn that off. I would also. She's just remapping the controls. So they're the to directly under your thumb diagonally not across That's excellent excellent. Excellent games I'm i'm sort of crushing through them. anticipation of measure dried. Which is next week as i just. Yeah i love these games. I think they're so great. If really awesome features each each game has its own sort of gimmick it goes with it and i mean that kind of a good way. I'm there's definitely a little bit of like oldy locks porridge too cold to hot. Just right with these three games i think. Area sorrow is her fict- yum and then the other two are kind of flawed. But still really really fun. But yeah i think they hold up tremendously well. I'm chasing the hell. Out of the rewind feature. I'm old and i don't care vietnamese games before. Don't judge me. Yeah they're excellent excellent games if you haven't played them which you might not have. Because maybe if you're an old school playstation fan you didn't own gb when they launched and these games are actually pretty expensive to buy in card form. Please check this collection out. I implore you also all of the old castle vinas are on sale right now as well. I believe you can get the original castle collection for five bucks so this is a good time to just start collecting the castle video games. But i'm there for a rainy day. Spooky month is here. Halloween is here. there is also. I believe a. I'm trying to look it up. So sorry if you hear my keyboard lacking but i believe a symphony of the night and rondo flood double pack as well in addition to much. So yeah there's no shortage of classic hustle mania that you can access on playstation and you absolutely should before we wrap up. I do of course on make some time for our segment memory card. Which is where you the viewers listeners. At home right in with your sad weird happy wacky whatever memories of your playstation game life and we read those on the show you can write in to beyond june dot com. Thank you to everyone. Who's been writing in. I have a few that will be reading in the weeks to come. But just since you're our guest on the show this week. I want to open the florida. You i is there any sort of place memory. You wanted to share with audience. Yes so before the show. We talk about how. I used to work at game stop. That was my big thing back in the mid to thousands and during that time i've always been just let the viewers now lucky enough to have all the consoles so i never had this like console allegiance of which i have to fight and die on the sword for so like as a kid like my wella would offer playstation one just so we could go over house. That was. That was the selling point. Yes to was my platform system as a kid and when it came to the. Ps three era is my biggest time without a playstation. It wasn't until i was working at game. Stop one day and some guy came in and if you work retail you know what i'm talking about. He wants to trade in its console for cash yet. none of the wires now the controllers. Now these guys you saw this. I'm like being about employees. Don't do this well. It's my lunch break. Abide off you for eighty bucks. And i this guy's ps three yourself and you did up. Yeah oh oh again. I should have been fired. That don't do this much. Good a playstation. Exactly like this man. So i turned to my friend. I was like okay. I've been out of the game for so long here. The game i need to get and he goes untreated too. I'm like we're skipping one. Skip one gopher to the first thirty minutes of playing that game. I was blown away. I was like what is this. I've never played anything like it. And it was that point that solidified me as playstations going to be my predominant place where. I play an oddly enough. At this time it was two thousand. Eleven i believe during the playstation blackout. So while everybody was furious up in arms go. Where's where's my online. I was actually falling in love with zeeshan houses. And i got a free plan out of that and because of that blackout era. I tuned into my first episode of beyond. And it's been history. Ever since. I was a big deal back then. Yeah the cout episode. I remember very well listening to back in the day. And that's in since that day. I've been a fan since every iteration. It's been an awesome experience. Why it's such a full circle moment right here where i'm just sitting down watching all talk and like also now is it's it's been awesome. Having you on also reminded me that uncharted two probably has i mean we should rank these day but probably one of the best openings of any video game ever. I'll find the right like that. Is that is seriously off. They're just as opening moments that opening area with nathan drake climbing up. The train is just. There's really not like man. I can't think of a game that i played up until that point. The boys immediately that harrowing and cinematic and just just a gut punch of just like okay. Here we are. Wow doing this go ahead just like that. The train sequence. You're like what like in in the mid two thousand that is breaking again. It broke my brain on my holiday doing this magic. I hope Yeah that that opening i think is the openings are so often mike hamstrung by having to to'realize everything and there's obviously a little bit of tutorials ation there to get used to the controls but it's in such a climactic moment of what the hell do i like. I need to get out of this and it. It just blends that like needing to introduce people to playing a game and introducing a really gripping story just so I'm glad it was there to entertain you all the rest of us were freaking out about not being able to log in to down. I was literally the of the dog where everything's out fire knock. I'm fine honestly as a predominantly single player game or at the time. I was like adult victims. I got it. I got it. I understand why people are mad. I kept trying to log into the mag servers. And i just thank you so much for sharing that story and thank you for being on the show as we we wrap up. I know you mentioned at the top of the show. 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PlayStation Had a Big Gamescom (Without Its Own Showcase) - Beyond Episode 715

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PlayStation Had a Big Gamescom (Without Its Own Showcase) - Beyond Episode 715

"Hello and welcome to a very special games. Come studio episode of podcast. Yana weekly playstation show. I'm your host brian. Altana with me today. Is mexico ville jonathan dornbush and lucy. O'brien i didn't know which which which version of you guys were going to pop up. Which order but i'm glad you're all here beyond friends. Hello the games the odd Well This was not exactly a big big playstation show. Right like this wasn't. We didn't really get a big playstation showcase or like a e. Three shaped press conference really anything specifically from them. But we did get some great news and Some sort of like playstation adjacent stories and stuff like that. So that's very cool so let's break down some of the biggest things that happened First of all obviously horizon Got some updates brand new release date for the upcoming horizon game and anew patch for horizon zero dawn which just five just sort of quietly during the middle of the show which is a nicer person. Sony's has been A little perplexing. But let's get into that jonathan. Tell us about the horizon. Forbidden west release date We know it's february. Eighteenth twenty twenty two on ps four and five. How do you feel about this. I mean i think it totally makes sense. You know this is We're a few weeks out from those reports where we were going to get where we learned that there was supposedly a delay for horizon and sony never commented at that point. My guess is because they wanted to actually put a specific released date to it. And they weren't just you know Wanting to put out a message of like we're moving to two thousand twenty two. They wanted to move specifically to a specific date So i think february it looks great. It's you know. It's the time of year when the original horizon launched. So i think it's gonna be a probably a pretty good time to lunch or horizon sequel. Yeah lucy what are you. What are your thoughts. Here are your. You're excited for this game right. Oh definitely I mean in terms of the release date delay. I think the messaging of it was really well. Handled like it was presented to something. That was quite celebratory as opposed to. We're really sorry. But we've delayed this game The reports obviously quite watertight And the messaging was we needed to give out team some work life balance like the pandemic is real. The pandemic has been a background saying during the making of this game and over lifelock missing was really healthy. And celebratory in. And i'd like to see more of that when it comes to delays rather than. Oh this is such a bummer way. Really sorry there's nothing to apologize for. This is the right move. I totally agree actually really appreciate the sort of like video messaging rather than just like the rectangular j. peg on twitter. I feel like cyberpunk did that for so long that it just became like me at this point that if you delay a game using an image on social media it just doesn't have the same heart as you know getting some figureheads from the studio b like we're hard at work We're really proud of it but Things are difficult right now. So we're gonna take sweet time. We'll see you in a few months now. The j. peg is like texting to say you're gonna be late but like really kind of phone and in. I'm sort of like as much as i would love to sort of get my hands on a big huge open world game this fall I'm kind of okay with you. Know with a february release. The first one came out Was that it was like a march release. I think and it was february. Twenty seventeen okay. Yeah so that's they've got a pretty good luck with that with that window there. And i don't know i think were sort of accustomed to huge game coming out in the fall and frequently. There's almost like you're almost overwhelmed by that. But i feel like we're more and more sort of seeing this games. Kind of stakeout their own little corners of of the year. When they come out so this is you know. that's cool. And i also like to lucy's point like it's a very healthy very healthy reason the push again and be like hey and also like i appreciate them not being not giving the ambiguous like. Hey everybody were sad to say. The game isn't ready yet. We'll have more news soon dispelled. Hey here's a release date and it's still totally possible it gets pushed again. That sort of thing does happen. But it's it's a we have a date. That's that's cool to go swimming now. In twenty seventeen horizon zero done did launch in february and just a few weeks later breath of the wild came out. And i know people get upset when you sort of like a conjoined these games in your brain. But that's really just what happened at that period in time and we still have that sort of floating nebulous idea that breath of the wild to will happen at some point. Do you think that the these games will just be forever. You know sort of d'appel gang of each other like breath while to come out very close to this and compete for time again. I remember i. I believe the original horizon sold around ten million units and breath. Wild has sold around twenty two twenty three so far so you know. There's both were wildly successful. But i feel like one sort of dominated the conversation for a while there. I mean we also got that funny thing. Were there deal sees were announced right alongside each as well there. Is this sort of this repeated pattern. i mean. Obviously i know. We're not nintendo voice chat but you can always of course check out there. I feel like personally. There's no way breath of the while to comes out that early next year. I don't like if that game even hits before the fall. I'd be shocked. So i don't expect them to go head to head. I think it would be hilarious. If timing worked out that way but at this point i'm not quite expecting it and the beginning of two thousand twenty two is already pretty packed with like big game so breath allowed can kind of go whenever it's ready and i'm sure they'll be fine and we date had grave like one thing that i just want to just quickly mention is that i always really dislike those comparisons of someone who reviewed the original horizon zero doin- and also adored breath at the wild. I got really frustrated when people were like. Well it's basically the same game because he's going to an error fell on your head. That's what name they really really different games. And i i was also i. Don't blame people jumping ship from horizon to britain the wild at the time because the wild ed's As he said altana dominated conversation. I i agree with Britain welter is going to come out february. Next it's just not going to happen if it does. It'll be really bummed. Like i get that. It's going to be ironic fun of you know. It's hilarious rights. Like no way. I felt really bad that the original horizon head to sort of containment that i read. I read a rumor on game. Facts that said that Horizon actually breath and while copied all of horizon in the two week window between those two games came. They actually saved a file of horizon as dot switch to the carts. And that's how it works. The same sort of full circle thing is a lot of people have drawn comparison to an impact making a few Taking some hints from breath of the wild Stylistically mechanically And then they went ahead and put alloy in against an impact. So what's going on here. Know yeah. I do appreciate that that. That is sort of funny. You know a little anecdote right there now One of the i always forget. This game takes place in san francisco and it's funny to see like a dilapidated diner in the background. So when we started this year. Or especially i think when we when we pre-ordered ps fives last year. We're going back to the old times now And we got our. Ps fives in the mail. You know we're some of those lucky few people that were able to secure preorder. I know so many of you are still fighting for those out. There was this idea that twenty twenty one was going to be horizon in god of war. Those were the big big tent. Pole games big playstation. I party exclusives happening this year. Now obviously we did get some other stuff. We got ratchet other things here and there but Those games have now. A hundred officially slipped into twenty twenty. Two meeting that playstation doesn't really have any big first party games this fall. Obviously there's debt stranding directors cup which was talking about in a second. But how do you feel about that. Do you think does it does it matter. Are we worried. Are we worried about the billionaire company. Not having any because of this fall. I'm i'm shaking in my. I know this is something. We talked this week about on next gen console watch sony. Pretty historically doesn't put games out in the fall. They like other than the. Ps fives launch last year. And you know spiderman in september de-stressing notwithstanding they typically for most of the beginning of the the life cycle left the fault of the third parties for the ps four and put out their games like uncharted. Like the last of us. Partout like ghost Like so many others in the first half of the year so it kind of just feels par for the course and like you said we got ratchet. We got attornal. We're going to get a bunch of third parties. Excuse me this fall also. I think we'll be okay. I think the the multibillion dollar company will survive. Max feel about that. You're you're busy right. You have a lot of a lot of stuff to play this fall. You're going to be okay. i'm fine. I mean you think about how many people are still hankering to get their hands on a ps five I feel like sony's more likely to put out a bundle when we heard about that. Sort of newer slight need a slightly lighter version of the. Ps five that's sort of hitting some territories and i. It wouldn't surprise me if we saw like. Oh it's the spiderman bundle that you know because that's a hugely popular game Like why why. Worry on trying to ship a brand new game for this system that owned gate their hands on when you could focus more on getting that system in people's hands And of course there are also. I don't know there's there's a lot of a lot of these games are coming to. Ps for nps five So yeah i again. I think. I think it's gonna be. It's funny to think of death stranding as being like their big holiday release because that's such a bizarre obtuse game that is you know it's hard to imagine somebody just opening that up on christmas morning and being like oh boy. The sad mailman game okay. I'll check it out and we've got death loop the xbox now published so we're here playstation exclusive programs timeline. We did a mention it briefly earlier. We did get a quick update on horizons iran which is available now. It's been available for years as we talked about but it got it got some big sort of technical upgrades on ps five lucy. You review that game do you or do you have any plans to jump back in there and sort of refresh yourself before a february in the the comes out. Definitely i you know. I i feel like a record recode at this point because i said this many times that when i played horizons zero to one I was it was the best looking game. I played on the playstation four two dice. Yeah and the me is sort of on so excited to say what this full k. Sixty frames pacific Update is gonna look like on the ps five. I just think it's such a beautiful. Will i think there's so much sort of grandia. Smith's that's not a word grandiosity. What other what other made up. Where can i say something as there's so much randi oceanus grandiose big beautiful wells end those machines so intimidating and ridiculous and i'm just really excited jumping again. I think i'm actually gonna do a full place i mean. I know there's a lot like we've got a lot of a penalty. Shame right now. But like i am very keen to jump back into that game. Now that it's got this this quality of life upgrade. I'm very excited. No i'm with you. I feel like the pandemics all about going back to comfort. Food games for me some very down to play that one again but we do have to take a very quick break but coming up in just a bit. We're going to break down. Some of the biggest indian third party games coming to playstation in lieu of all those triple eight. I party exclusives so do not go anywhere because we back with more podcast beyond et games comes to you live right after this. Welcome back to podcast beyond our weekly playstation show here at jin were right in the thick of games. Calm right now actually. I don't like saying that expression. I'm never going say it again. I'm never going to say that's a very bad expression. And i'm done seeing it anyway. Games is happening right now and lots of really cool. New games are coming to playstation. So let's talk about starting with jet. The far shore which comes out in october the game. It looks red and jonathan. You've actually played it already. Tell us about this game. So i've played. Probably i wanna say maybe four or so hours of it I played a good chunk on a a pc preview build but it is coming to both ps four nps five. This is the latest game from super brothers. who are the creators of the beloved sorcery. But they haven't really made another game since then they've been pretty quiet but I didn't really know what to expect going into this game. It was revealed back at the june. Ps five showcase last year as one of the big indies coming to to psi. It got delayed a little bit and what not october release. And we've seen gameplay since then but i. I still didn't have a sense of what you'd actually be doing in the game and after playing this is one of those games are i. It is both hard to explain. And also i don't wanna stop explaining it because it's interesting and weird It's one of those games that i really really hope people people check out and don't sleep on because it's so singular to me in a certain way. So essentially the setup is you are this space explorer who is part of expedition That is going out in search of this thing known as the him wave and the him wave is a thing that this society that you're a part of has been spending generations trying to build toward finding essentially like they believe it's their salvation. It's sort of like a mix of religion and science sort of belief system going on here and finally you are one of the people who will be going out into space to find the hemingway of And so you're set out on this journey and primarily. There are some like first person Interactive scenes where. You're talking to other characters getting learn a little bit about the world but primarily. You're playing in a jet which is a jet just with two ts And it's a game where you're essentially researching world surfing around the surface of jumping from like skimming the ocean to skimming the land using some of the alien flora and fauna to like. Oh this sort of seed. I've discovered happens to be explosive if hurled. So i'm going to throw it to open up a pathway over here. Or oh if i lied these animals over here. They cause vapor to omit and the vapor helps keep my engine's running more smoothly because the vapor on the world helps keep the the pressure down. It's it sounds all weird and disparate but it is like the the best thing i can say about the game is that it it imbued the sense of wonder and off in like it's trying to capture the excitement and the trepidation and fear of space travel and it it pulls it off. It's really cool. I'm getting on the way you're describing. There's there's like sort of notes of no-man's sky a little bit. I hate to just sort of like you know pigeonhole this but it also feels Sad like there's sort of like inherent. Yes i've missed his. No there there is. It's it's both sad and exciting and that sort of thing is like together. The hardest spaces is sort of a lonely experience in. Yes you're going on with this group but the way this world is sort of like desolate that you're exploring and your you know your essentially invading this world. The don't belong there but you believe you're on this mission. Your team believes they have to be here. And they're compelled to come here and so there is like the thing that i love about. This game is the moods. It's evoking in me as i'm playing. It is that joy in that wonder of like controlling. the ship is like controlling a skater. Tony hawk based skate ship like it. It nails that sort of like movement and speed and you can do little hops and dodd rolls and like hitting those different little vapor points to keep going at the top speed that you want to and then pulling like a sharp curve up amount inside. Is this incredible cool feeling. But also you're like oh i need to go sort of explorer. You see in some of the footage what that strange obelisk sort of pyramid thing is in the background. So there's a little bit of journey there. it's i. I'm with you like i kept trying to pigeonhole it into like sort of. No man's sky meets the outer wilds meets journey or You know meets at x. y. z. By it really like singular in kind of how it meshes all those things together and it does have like a structure to it. You are sort of going like mission by mission you're giving you know in one mission explore this outcropping and learn as much about the different animals in the different plans as you can and kind of get a sense of what you can actually do on this world. Another is oh. Let's go to that interesting. Obelisks sorta thing like there's there are actual missions not just set out onto the world left to do anything like nomads guy. there is structure to it. But i'm getting some real like relates scott alien but not just not just the alien lake sort of series but specifically his vision for alien which is alien and then prometheus in covenant is. So you've got like a very kind of seventies a spaceship. Interior design vibe with obelisks and all the strange objects that are imbued with huge amounts of meaning in in history. That feels very much like his kind of prequel Ideas like aesthetically. It's very much reminding me of and it's it's all of that in one rather than like peace out over decades. Yeah it's it's really smart about how it does all that out and like the thing that i love about. It are the things that are almost like indescribable on an emotional level. Like it was. This sounds very cliche. And i know it's extremely hyperbolic but just getting to pilot the jet for the first time like when you're set out was one of those like oh. This is why i play video games. Sorta moments like it was one of those. Oh this is just such a wonderful unique fun experience. And i am controlling the ship and i'm not doing anything too crazy but there was just something like serene and done about it but like actually said there is this creeping undertone of sadness and worry and mystery because it is like this is what a civilization has been building for generations to get to. And now you're part of it and it's like. Is it living up to their expectations. What is not sitting right with them. What is sitting right. There's like beautiful incredible of like grandiose elements of like some of the animals you encounter and things it so cool and i don't want to say too many specifics because i genuinely don't want to spoil this experience but it feels like one of those things where i remember Outer wild coming out and people are like. I can't tell you anything about it but i loved it and you need to go play it. This feels like one of those things and it's not like a time loop game where you're sort of thing but it is. It's a really special experience from what i play. Your spaceship isn't made a woman. You're not chasing banjo music. That sounds great. Yeah it's it's a little bit of a the v. Soundtrack is by a scientific does a lot of great video game scores including the oxen. Free score which i adore. So it's a really moody really residents or a sound that i think again captures those moods. This game is so much about the moves of oaks and and letting you piece together. What you care about the story with your own emotions like it's genuinely in moving so you mentioned there being missions. I'm curious like sort of structurally. Does it feel like does feel like unexplored territory you just kind of pick a direction and go. Are you sort of in or is there a way point are you is it. Is it open world. I guess. I'm i'm just sort of curious about of how you go from point to point and no totally so the way at least the the bit of the game. I was playing. That kind of happened over a couple days on the planet like in some of the game play you can see us kind of Dropping into the atmosphere that is like the first mission out on this planet and you spend a day exploring because you are essentially the lead explores. You're the first one's kind of put out there to go explore and find a good place for everyone else to land still up in the space station so your charting the territory and the game lead you along to places so it's like there is a pretty wide expanse of ocean that you can kind of just be surfing around and explore but your eventually led to go to like but there is an island over here that might be a good habitat for us to go explore. We should go over there and there was a way point on your map that leads you there. There are constraints but never felt constraining. If that i'm guessing you can't just land anywhere and get out and walk around. There's like certain sort of hubs that you can exactly and eventually like without spoiling it again but it is something. We're allowed to talk about like you. Do you can see it. In some of the footage there is a mission control base. That you eventually you know plunked down on the planet and that sort of where you go out from to do your missions going forward. Sorta thing cool. yeah i imagine. You're gonna have a full written preview for this camera. Yeah we have a written and video preview up so people go check that if they they wanna see a little bit more. It's as story spoiler free as possible because again. It's it's the thing that i think you want to witness that for yourself. The first time around but yeah that is jet. The far shore comes out in october. So you don't have to wait too long We also got a new look at seafood. Which is coming february twenty-second which is now four days after horizon. Forbidden which is kind of crazy that we went from being like where the playstation games and now we have these these. These games are coming out back to back very very different. obviously who. who's excited for this. Because i know i am. He can't pay me. Remember sleeping with that number. That horrifically underrated sleeping. Dogs are the best open world games where you could beat the crap out of somebody with like a fish. I'm so stoked on this. And when they were like yeah. I mean i feel like some of the stuff we saw made it look a little more sort of cinematic camera angle wise. And in this case there were like ed's kinda like arkham combat and. I'm like you know what it's been says. We had that. I'm super down with a kung-fu setting. I love. how stylized as is minimally and like doing that stuff like flipping dude into a you know a shell full pottery or watermelons or whatever super it and also like it. Seems like there's that kind of you know robe-like Element to it where you die and then you come back and you're older which is sort of how i feel playing games. That are heart. I love the art direction in this game. Especially some of the lighting some of the more sort of like neon magenta areas especially but just like all the characters look super clean. You know you've got some splashes of blood here and there and some incredible lighting. But all in all i really appreciate. Just how cinematic this game looks very overused descriptors but I dig it like. I feel like we don't get enough games like this anymore. This is. i've been replaying river. City ransom like the original one. And this and this this feels like you know in the same way that yakkers games do that. This feels evocative of of of the beat him from that era but obviously a lot more stylized which i'm totally all about. This is detailed in the right places like there's a lot of it that's very minimalist but then there's clearly parts that are you know there's a lot of focus on it and i think it's what was there was their last game Absolve zone. Yeah like that was obviously very kind of you know low poly and i think this is like it feels like a step up in that area. But there's there's a little more to look at. There's a lot more of visual density and i'm i think they've found really really good sweet spot aesthetically well if you like characters Do some butt-kicking. We are going to take a very quick break but when we back we are talking about new games in the marble. Saints wrote ninja turtles and lego stores universes. I feel like all those universities are going to be one universe someday. Thanks disney I cannot wait for all those things. But in the meantime don't go anywhere because we will be right back with more podcast beyond a games the alive right after this. Hello and welcome back to pass beyond part of this year's games come studio show right here at jin right now. We're talking about the big games coming playstation soon and soon ish so let's get right into it starting with the brand new announced midnight sons Marble and calm coming together at last. Jonathan you're excited lucille excited for afford. I'm excited for it max. You're the biggest comic book fan on this panel. What's what's the story of this game. So this is this is all new story which is is kind of a relief. Because if you're you know if there's a lot of marvel baggage to unpack this is kind of a reinterpretation of a team. That i believe debuted in the early nineties and basically it from this out of the universe is kind of gone to hell. And so all of earth's mightiest heroes the avengers and you know the other. Other ones have teamed up to the fight the bad demons and the bad guys. And so you've got kind of the occult side of marvel so you've got like doctor strange and blade and ghostwriter and then there's also like wolverine and you know ironman eleven Be so the whole. It's a whole new kind of unique university of they've created this original setup which i'm excited about for access you know. Obviously a lot of comparisons can be drawn. But they've kind of stressed that this is you know less about making you feel powerless. Like you do an x. Calm and a little more about being superhero. I don't think they're they're messing with the permits so much it's They wanna have a a style. That makes it immediately. Recognisable as its own thing which i don't think means specifically everyone's gonna be worried yellow and black armor with with ruins on it but you know they're obviously there's going to be like costume changes the thing. I'm most excited about here. Is that in addition to sort of turn based tactical rpg. Gameplay there's also going to be like a social hub which they they kind of like in the normandy in mass effect where you basically can go back and you can have relationship not romantic relationships but like friendships with different marvel heroes Which will be interesting because you're playing as an original character. Who's the hunter. Or i guess the not not the hunters that's dc character. But you can kind of choose your krieger and character your own gender and everything and Kind of determine how you interact with these different characters at your little your little homebase. But it's it's you know it's uncharted territory. Like it's completely its own own. You know infinite arthur. Whatever it's its own its own time line. And i'm i don't know for accesses. Their ex cop speaks for itself. They know what they're doing over there. They make some really cool games and From the sound of it like the the people marvel games are big like x com dorks and they basically were like pretty stoked about working with access and they know what the studios capable of. So it doesn't sound like it's going to be one of the situations where you know you've got you know an ip holder forcing a studio to get out of their comfort zone. It sounds like they're kind of like you know players strengths. Do your thing take readers and have fun with it. We had the dubs on our show on our show just the other day. And they they were talking about how marvel- came to them with the pitch because they are compounds. I think that's super cool. It's really awesome to see marble games sort of like branching out in so many different directions. You know we're getting so many movies and tv shows action figures all that comic books obviously still forever but to see so many different games in so many different genres happening at the same time is super super cool. I just want to add that. I love love. Love the aesthetic of this that the nineteenth trading catis Gorgeous like foiled trading cards that marvel released during the nineties. Every single shot of this trailer is like one of those cards. How they've they've completely placed it in a very kind of nineties aesthetic. And i'm just so here for this game you know what you know. What's cool about this is that it looks nothing like the like. It's not even go anywhere near. it's totally doing. its own thing. They didn't try to make. I don't know they didn't try to make doctor. Strange looks like benedict cumberbatch. They didn't try to make wolverine look like hugh jackman. It's looks like it's own. Its own game. Which i'm very relieved about not to throw shade at any other marvel gangs now totally I wanna talk about saints route. Because i'm a huge fan of the series. I know a bunch of you are It's been what almost nine nine years since we've gotten new. Gte game the last one. We got ta five out again this fall. I believe Calm but but in the meantime saints wrote was a franchise that sort of like ran in parallel with. Gte for a very long time. You know it had its ups and downs It started out kind of a little sort of grounded a little bit and then got totally over the top and then went into superhero stuff You know there was a thing in one of the games where you were the president yet. Blowups it's just it got crazy but cena was back. We got a brand new. Sort of tone piece teaser. Followed up by a some game. Play on jeff. Kelly's opening night live. I'm really excited for this game. I feel like it's obviously a you know a lot more colorful and a little bit more modernized and i think some people were expecting but you know this is going to be the biggest city we've seen so far the franchise it's obviously over the top There's three different sort of gangs running in perpetuity right now and you've got dune buggies sci-fi weapons explosions. You can create your own character. I'm really excited to see saints row coming back. I miss open. World games like this How do you feel about us. I'm a jury is still out. I'm very happy we're getting new saints row. This is a little bit divisive for a lot of people. But i'm willing to give it a chance because the thing with saints row has always been you create your own character like you can go completely nuts. They've said this is going to be the most robust character creator. You have yet Various if that's going to extend to like what your gang looks like I see people like talking about how you're basically playing is like a bunch of a bunch of kids you know. Maybe it's the fact that we've all gotten a lot older since the last saints rogaine came out but i don't know it's a new setting. It's nice to not revisit that same steel map. Whether it's like the the matrix or brian lehrer version or whatever but Yeah i'm i'm just i don't know i'm i'm interested to see what they do with it like i. I played the played saints row. Three as like a very overweight adam sandler with like an m forty one pulse rifle alien so like they show in. The trailer is usually not indicative of what your experience is going to be. You know and i mean they. They said there's character creation. And there's vitale jets and there's crazy weapons in like that. Sounds like they're you know it's not agents of mayhem like it's not a hero shooter. It's a saints row game. It's a big world saints row game. So that's you know. That's what i want to hear. More of Yeah it's very trail was extremely polished. Which which is great for a trailer in the stand the thinking behind that. But when i'm when i'm picturing saints roar it's not just about like 'cause flying through the air it's It's about like the more ridiculous things you can do with your characters and and and the world itself so this is a great little taste but i'd indifferently came to see more again. I'm very places is happening. I love as as mentioned. I love i love or promote games Like this where the whole ideas to wreck havoc But yeah i just kind of want to a little bit more of the chew pizzi behind it. Because that's that's what set of waves through saints. Rose veins me. i agree. yeah it was always about magnifying. The the the sort of goofy parts of gte with right you know ufo's and jet packs and stuff like that and Gte really kind of moved away from a lot of that. Obviously they roll out of that. The gti mind. But i saw people comparing this to watch dogs to in a negative way. And i personally like i feel like a lot of people loved watchdog too. I think that sort of vibrant Fund sort of street gang approach also still murders stuff is is is a cool aesthetic But anyway speaking of street gangs. I do wanna move onto one of the most vicious street gangs in the history of pop culture. That's the ninja turtles and they are coming back with. Tnt shredders revenge and we got a really cool thing that happened yesterday. where dot mo. Who's developing this game. Did the recent streets of rage games They added april as a playable character. Who now literally drops the mic and wipes her came around. Beat up people jonathan. Are you excited this game yet. Totally i like. I am definitely. I would say it's probably easy to say. I'm not the biggest. Tnt fan on the on the cast. Right now. i feel like it's hard to take that crown. But i grew up with the the arcade game being like such a staple of my life And so to have a game like this from such pedigree as them like. I loved what they did. Streets each four. I'm really excited about this as a kid who had a stupidly huge crush on april. O'neil often. I'm glad she's in the game and i will play in this version of and i'm i'm really excited and everything we've seen from. That just seems like they. They know how to nail the style and the feel and what people are looking for inner in arcade revival like this. So i i can't wait to play yet to me. It feels like we might This might lead to dlc with casey jones. Maybe some other characters may splinter But yeah this game still a little ways away but it just so gorgeous and it's totally hitting the right notes for me in terms of like an old school arcade Sal beat him up the pixel arts amazing. There was something in the last trailer. Where like all the all the foot soldiers are like typing on computers and the turtles run in and they just jump out of their cubicle desks and start fighting. That's awesome Lastly i did want to move onto lego star wars which is like one of the biggest games for our audience. Every new trailer for that game does half a million views. People are so excited for this game. We still do not have a release date for lego star wars. The skywalker saga a spring. Twenty twenty two is the closest. We're getting right now. But no solid date yet. Some new footage a ton of new characters. The game looks gorgeous. The lighting is awesome. I can't wait for this. Yeah i've been such a fan of the lego game since sirte which was star wars. And so like i totally trust and t- games. I assume they must be doing something huge with this because like no disrespect to them but they were able to turn out. Lego games like pretty regularly sort of down to two a year. At least minimum and this has been i feel like the longest development cycle. We've seen for one but it also feels like the most ambitious. They've ever done like they're trying to make the combat a little bit more tactile. I guess they've switched. Where the camera angle is. It seems to be a little bit more complex. It's it's more open world in terms of choosing where you get to go And obviously encompassing nine movies worth of cannon so it's not a small game by any means but yeah i'm like i'm more than willing to let them take their time. Just we've now known about it for it'll be close to two years by the time it comes out it comes out in the spring so i just. I can't wait to see what they've done with this one they. They know how to make a great game and and it feels like they're really upping the ante hair. Yup well we are going to take a very quick break but when we come back we're actually saying goodbye to jonathan and lucy and hello to mitchell saltzman who got a brand new behind closed doors. Look at a small game called elden ring and obviously maximum. I have a ton of questions for him. So we're going to pick his brain about alluring in just a minute. We will be back with the back. We'll be before podcast beyond held in ring right after this beyond boo back. This is podcast beyond games studio. Live on brand tunnel. Along with max go bill and mitchell saltzman who just got a behind the scenes. Look at the upcoming from soft game elden ring. One of the most anticipated games of two thousand. Twenty two dare. I say all time. Mitchell first of all were extremely jealous of you suck. I did it but it's good to see so you saw some brand new stuff from elder ring. You saw somebody playing the game in front of you. It's real it exists tells about it. Yeah so. I actually enough to kind of get to two experiences with during the first time i got to talk with you here talking as ocoee and just you know pigs brain about the game and this time i was given basically fifteen minute presentation and that fifteen minute kind of curated game play walkthrough of different different sections of the game and yeah. It's it really is they. Keep saying that's the culmination of everything that they've learned over the course of like dark. Souls game seco- bloodborne cetera. And it kind combines. A lot of those those learnings into this gigantic open world. That also has these. They're called legacy dungeons and those are kind of the more. Traditional dark souls guided areas. Where you you know there's a lot branching paths. There's a lot of places you can. you know. Find hidden hidden alcoves to find really cool items weapons and then they're punctuated by these gigantic boss fights so so yeah i got to. I got to see the way they split up. The open world is that they have open fields which are a typical open world. You wander around if feels like anything can happen. There's there was a moment in the gameplay demonstration. Where i i walked a to a group of enemies hang hang up by bonfires and all of a sudden dragged swoops in all the enemies out typical dark souls fashioned but then that turns into a boss fight and you have the choice of either fighting that dragon or running the hell away. There was also a moment where you you'd see like a caravan of enemies like a bunch of enemies all all guarding this treasure carriage. A make the choice. Do i want to engage them. Or do i want to just leave them alone and come back when i'm stronger. That's like the the big thing that i keep coming back to one things that sake. Sawn really harped on idea of freedom and choice. That's the big thing that i think separates elden ring from from their previous works. It's a game where you can really you mold it in the way that you really want to play the game. There's stealth now really viable option. There's some in so even if you don't want to engage with p. b. p. any summons kind of like castle bamieh simply or the catalina artists. Sarah where like you would kill enemy. You get their soul. And then you'd be you'd be able to use that seles part of your own little arsenal weapons and spells. So it's a ton of customer customization in your options. The summoned thing is one of the coolest things you could possibly tell me personally today. Because i like grinded on those enemies in areas are all the catalina games forever which you know. What's interesting about this. You mentioned like there's there's a lot more choice than ever before. I never really felt like those from south games. Were lacking in that department you have. You can choose from character classes. You know different starting gifts and stuff like that but it seems like they're opening that even more than ever. Now yeah for sure it. And that's one of the things that i talk about. It's it's on top of everything else that you already have in the in those games. Now have this option of doing stealth viable option. You now have the option of spending to summons as your main method of of dealing with tough scenarios. There was a moment in the game. Play where he came up on this enemy. Camp were like there was just a whole camp of enemies and he summons six dudes six. Pv monsters that all fight alongside of them and you just basically summons an army to help. Fight him to fight this. You know any encampment. And i actually asked them. I was like. Don't you think that that might make this a little bit too. Easy and Kitale son was the personnel talking to and he basically said like you know where well aware of the power of some of these summits and we kind of balanced it so that you know you get some some much later into the game. Some you actually have to spec into the path allows you to summon some of these more powerful ones. so it's all very calculated. Feels like i get the sense that that would be in some of the. It's like if you wanna do like arcane stuff in bloodborne. It's usually kind of tougher at the front half of the game. But then it gets towards the way i it that'd be the same deal with summons now talking about talking about how there's like legacy dungeons is this sort of like is this. Would you compare this to like sorta breath wild in that. There's this sort of the which didn't have dungeons but like there's different beasts that you can approach a order like you can just go to run into any direction and pick a dungeon and see what happens or so. I will say there. I think there are probably a little bit does a little bit of breadth of the wild in it because you have the spirit steed and there's a lot of verticality in buffalo wild right and i think in in the ring. Verticality is one of the big things after four in the open world. there's actually little platforms that you can go to while you're on your spirits seed you can leap up the on them and it'll just send flying into the air so they can leap onto you know the tops of cliffs awesome bets. That feels like something like was paying piggybacking off of seco- because that was one of the first games that made you go like. Oh i can go up there. That's cool yeah and also the seat can double jump. It doesn't seem like it takes fall damage so there seems to be a lot of freedom. Indeed the exploration of the open-field. What's different than breath. The while breath wild literally. You can go anywhere anytime you get a. You can tackle the four beasts at any time. I was told that there is an order. Elden ring like there are certain lacy dungeons that you might find earlier than you can get. They can actually explore them. Because you'll need something that you might get from one of the other legacy dungeons in order to get through. But also one of the things i want to. I want to make clear. There's a map in this game. would there's a there's a map bring up by pressing a button. You can actually collect map fragments to to build out the map that you have. And it's one of the coolest. Most stylish maps of ever seen like it's illustrated it's like cartographer in the actual world. Actually hand drew it. And there's like illustrations all over the place The way you you actually get you know the way you actually mark places you have a you know a set of markers put maps. You can put a a marker for like. There's an nbc over here. You put a marker were that says there's a. There's a really tough enemy over here. There's a dungeon entrance over here so it doesn't it doesn't it's not like one of those ubisoft things just bombarded with icons and You know way points. It's really just a matter of whatever you put on. The map is what it shows. What's interesting to me. is that you know. We're talking about flexibility in in terms of play styles. Your different spirits that you can bring it in stuff like that and i think some people are going to look at that and kind of be like. Oh you can make the game super easy if you stack a bunch of stuff on each other but i also see it as like there's going to be a ton of pro players that look at this as a challenge to go like i'm gonna bring one of the more to spirits with me to one of the hardest areas in the game and publish. Let's play of me just like dominating that's really cool thing about the long tail on the on. The soles games and from games in general is washing people. Beat them with you know guitar hero controllers and you know they're naked. They're fighting with just there as like a lot of fun stuff happens here now. Obviously you talked about the impromptu boss. Fight that happened. Were there any other bosses. You got the check out as as as part of his preview. Yeah so you know one of the things about the open field is that like. I said. It really feels like anything can happen. There's actually feel boss. That is just kind of hang out in in one of the locations. Where if you get close enough. It will just trigger a boss fight. There's no fog door. There's just a really tough enemy. That's guarding this spot. And then as i said the legacy dungeons are capped off by like a really big boss. Fight these lacey. Dungeons are basically the tacoma nation of one of the six areas of the games. And so there's demi gods at each of the end points of these legacy dungeons actually I don't know if you've been watching the the bureau but the boss fight di- did see was one of the ones that featured in the trailer. It's the guy with like the the fifty thousand hands. Five different weapons and his arm transforms into a dragon head So yeah so. That was the day that i got to see. It seemed like the most souls souls boss i've ever seen You know he. He has really big sweeping attacks with his acts. Has been a big ground pound Eventually it seems like there's a second form whereas armed transforms into that dragon head which gives him this unblock grab. They just grabs you with the dragon. Just spews firewall your insights mouth. It's very very cool. Now mitchell one last thing before we go and very very very quick. And i know you don't have the definitive answer here but do you think from soft will be able to stick to the january twenty first release date on this one. Don't ask me that. I won't be so heartbroken if they don't but also understand it looks like it's ready right or it looks like it's ready i. It looks like it's it's in a in a form that is not only playable but in a playable form that i really really really wanna play right now so i think know. I'm cautiously optimistic. Time game yes we visit. We need this game immediately. Elder ring january. Twenty first mitchell. You'll have a preview. We can read a can always for this game. We're all very very excited for it. In the meantime we've still got tons more games studio ahead including brand new looks really cool. Games like a on-drive arcade again in canada and tons more so stick around because games studio will be right back after this at until then beyond.

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86 | True Crime | Hole in the Woods by Jennifer Graeser Dornbush  with Interview!

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86 | True Crime | Hole in the Woods by Jennifer Graeser Dornbush with Interview!

"Weirdo bookworm unite we want to share our love of genre fiction with you. Some readers out there may look down on you for your love of horror, sci fi and fantasy, but not us. So stop by as we discuss what we've been reading. Hi This is Sandra and this is Scott Look Continue Andrea. Junkies. So I was going to make a joke about how it's a very special episode of challenge and it is a very special episode of Johner Junkies. They're all special. This is essential special show full of special special people and tonight is no exception because we have another author interview, we can't yet another innocent soul. To letting US review their book and then talk to us about it very, very excited tonight's episode. Will we're going to talk about it in a few minutes. But Jennifer Agrees Dornbush the author of hole in the woods is going to join us for tonight's episode and You guys are GonNa love her you are going to adore her so Scott House things well, everything is on fire everything's on fire. We're old looks like we live on Venus or. Planet. Planet yes we can't go outside. Can't because the air I mean like we can but the air is unsafe and has been four days. Yeah. So yeah, that's how things are going. Stitches puffed up like a little Chinchilla, which is really cute. We still have Jalapeno the Caterpillar here live in with us. I think he might make it with us through the winter. At this point I think he's like you know I don't need to be a moth. I don't need to fly who needs to live this life where I got wonderful plants and people caught on me and the cat watches me out of the corner of Rye. And wants to eat me but you know there's worse things it spread into him that like everything wants to eat him. so He seems to trust you pretty well. Yes. While he's my child let's move. Let's see. I was trying to think if there's anything else super exciting and thrilling, and there is kind of something restarted watching the umbrella academy finally. My God. Thought there was something else. Okay. Okay. Let's give the umbrella academy a moment. Probably. By the time you hear our next episode, we will hopefully be caught up on seasons wanted to that's the plan. That's the plan. My mom is a huge fan of the umbrella academy. She's been harassing me since the first season came out watch this total you know how it is you guys are readers to, and we talk about this all the time. There's stuff that we like to watch, but it's just it's just hard and also is somebody that is on a movie review, show the coach show, and sometimes we review movies for Spooky Slumber party like it's really hard for us to find the time the time to like do whole seasons of shows and we love her shows, but we just it just takes a while. But right now we're just like what are movies let's watch the umbrella. That's way more important. No. I was GonNa say we have our TB are for October. Yes, we do. Go. To. Yes that's okay. Man and we'll put it on social media as well. You know, yes. October is all horror all the time and we usually throw in bonus episode in there as well. So. This this October will be no exception sell. Are you guys ready for the October? T vr it me with we are going to review three books in the month of October because otherwise we'd only be reviewing books and that's not enough not enough for horror October loopy season. No. All right. We are proud to present the genre junkies Halloween October we are. Okay. We're going to kick it off with the latest novel from our friend David Sada Grin Maggie's grave a horror novel. Okay. So this is about a small Scottish town. It says the small Scottish town of Aachen Milan way DVD didn't tell us how to pronounce this word could Milan okay. A small Scottish town and Is Dead and has been for years. It sits in the shadow of a mountain forgotten and atrophying in the perpetual gloom forty seven residents are all that remain. There's nothing to do there nothing to see except for a solitary grave near the top of the Mountain Maggie. Wall buried here as a witch reads the faded inscription but sometimes the dead don't stay buried especially when they have unfinished business a relentless Folk Hor nightmare from the author of the Forgotten Island Maggie scrape will disturb and shock in equal measure will yeah it's a David's autograph book if it doesn't disturb shock equal measure I don't want it. I will read anything that he writes but I would be shocked if he did not shock into stor. Very excited for that, we love a folklore moment. This is going to be great in this going to be precipitated. I'm super great and to David Books in a year to David books in three months is just got me jumping up and down with glee yeah yeah it's juicy juicy. Okay then next book I'm. Queen to have some special guest reviewers on for this novel. And that is we'll. We'll tell you closer to to the time, but we are proud to present. I don't I don't know how to present the second book for October T. R. is Adam Caesar's clown and a Cornfield. This book has broken the Internet and social media amd. We will not doing our due diligence as. Horror reviewers if we didn't get in on the cloud in the cornfield great title absolutely attractive book I am absolutely shocked you have chosen to read a clown novel I know I'm afraid of clowns. This is partially why we're going to have some very special guests on the very special episode that we're going to be holding about this book because we'll see a sanders able to make it through. So just to briefly tell you about this book in case you're not aware of it couldn't make brick and her father have moved tiny boring kettle springs to find a fresh start. But what they don't know is that ever since the Bay Penn Corn Syrup, factory, has shutdown kettle springs has cracked in half kettle springs this continent battle between old and new tradition and progress. It's a fight that looks like it will destroy the town until Frendo the. Bay. Penn Mascot. A creepy clown in a pork pie hat goes homicidal and decides that the only way for kettles springs to grow back is too cold. The rotten the crop of kids who live there now it's it's a child murder horror movie a horrible I think so but I don't think it's GonNa be like on are now I mean I think it's kind of retro slasher feel as opposed to lake your kids probably means like high schoolers. Babies. This book just sounds like a lot of fun and so tell me about the third book we're going to be covering this book. I am very very excited for this one This book has a lot of buzz lot of I've only read one thing by this author, and that is Stephen Graham Jones is the only good Indians I. This is one of my highly anticipated books of the year I've been waiting I've been waiting Lebron saving it for justice chest this time a tale of. Revenge. Cultural identity and the cost of breaking from tradition in this latest novel from Jordan. peele of Horror Literature Stephen Ram Interesting comparison. Yes. Seamlessly blending classic horror and a dramatic narrative with sharp social commentary. The only good Indians follows American Indian men after disturbing event from their youth puts them in a desperate struggle for their lives tracked by an entity bent on revenge. These childhood friends are helpless as the culture and traditions they left behind catch up with them and a violent vengeful way and. Steven cramped. Jones is a first nations person and so this is on fleeces not something weird. You, know what I mean. I. Think it's important. One that it is own voices but to that, we're going to be reading and own voices story I. think that's cool. That's always yeah. That's always good. Always always always got especially when it's something where you're you're really delving into a culture and a heritage you want that. Really from the source. And not some weird watered-down colonize version of the source. Isn't listed. Great TB are are we so? Excited, and we'll probably read more staff up in an extracurricular fashion but this'll be that will the episodes on my gosh. So speaking, yes of episodes. Let's get started. Okay. So speaking of episodes, let's jump right into tonight's book some going to give you a little synopses. We're GONNA talk about it in a spoiler free capacity. We're GONNA jump to the author interview and then wrap it up with spoilers. So here we go. Jennifer GRAZER DORM, Bush's Woods. July nineteen eighty-nine in a sleepy Michigan town high school Grad Nina Laremy. Heads out with her friends and has never seen alive again. Later, her skeleton is found near a remote party spot in the forest. The me determines Nina has been brutally raped and bludgeoned to death fear and anger ripple through this tight knit community. When the case goes cold thirty years later, Riley Saint James, a Detroit PD assigned to Nina's case is determined to get her first big cold-case win despite having a similar pass to. The victim relying on her investigative prowess and gut instinct Riley tracks down a witness who saw Nina Larry me's murder. But as the truth comes to light, Riley must face the killers who want their secret to stay in the whole in the woods, and this is, of course most importantly, I guess to say based on the real life true crime case of Shannon siders. In Michigan which was cold case that went dormant from one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine to twenty eleven and then Shannon's that case did and justice. Yes So does synopsis kind of berries the lead when it comes to that like this is based on true crime yes, it is. It is a fictional story. Yes but. Know with fictional characters but the the the the basis behind it is based on on reality. This. is also a very personal case for Jennifer. Author because her father was the me on this case. And we talked to her the energy about her dad and it's growing up in a medical examiner household wild and it should be a TV show 'cause it's wow. She lived such an adventure she really did is very, very unique interesting and you know kind of an exciting experience in a way like he has definitely shaped her into at least what she does if not who she is today I think yeah. I can't wait for you guys to hear that part of the interview. It's so cool and I think that that would be i. mean of course you know we don't know exactly but I think that would have been an environment where Scott and I would have thrived growing up in that household for but for very different reasons for very different. You you would have loved it because you're a creep. I would've loved. No. We both would have loved it because we're fascinated with science and we're into learning about death science and biology and. True Crime I. Agree with all of the science parts. Yes. But you're the murderer. No, I am a murdering. I am onery now. So Oh my gosh. What a cool perspective though to write this book. Is. There's there are some very unique perspectives presented in this book that Jennifer. Gives to the audience, for example, right off the bat. I believe it's chapter three. You actually hear from the first person view of the victim, of Nina. Gosh it's very powerful and it's a very different thing. I mean already, this book is a fictionalized account, right? Like names have been changed and you know we've added him this whole narrative about detective Saint James but you don't get to hear how the the victim speak and it's unfortunate that we have to say victim not survivor because of course, she didn't she didn't make it and that is I, mean obviously kind of goes without saying if you're sensitive to the content that we've already disclosed this one beat the book for you. So I'd like to go into my experience right off the bat go into has this book was is still an absolute obsession. I loved looking. That's our highest board. I loved it. For just for what it was as a wonderful like thriller mystery. Yes. But then I had to know more about the real crime and I listened to true crime shows with you on occasion but I don't like get really deep into the weeds and true crime. It's something that I enjoy with you but not on my own I guess is what I'm saying. Yeah. But this absolutely got me as both true crime and as as a a novel and I'm just I'm I'm just absolutely head over heels obsessed with this book still now he's buzzing about it I think this book is worth. All the accolades you just said, one hundred for me. This was a page Turner Book I just was compulsively getting through it and it's not a long book or anything but it just like the way it reads is you're just like I don't WanNa draw towards the end but I want to draw towards the end you know what I mean yeah. Yeah and. I WANNA point out what makes this book so strong for me is the characters that are in it. This isn't just a okay here are here. Here's the evidence that's discovered or you know a few kind of faceless detectives just discovering things as they go along. These are real characters with real lives with with even though some are pretend people I mean they're. They're pretend people. Yes. But there, but the story is driven by the characters. Yes. By the case, I totally get what you're saying it's not a procedural. No, it's it's it's a drama and I don't mind procedural any bit but I some reason. For some reason that would have felt wrong for this story, it just would have. Just really impressed. I'm really impressed with Jennifer and how she treated this book and You know one of our goals we like to do here little old genre junkies is to try to get books into people's hands and I don't think this book is in enough people's hands I I. Agree we're you eat our part to try to force it on everyone because it's really good. It's really good and true crime I don't WanNA say true crimes having a moment because been having a moment since before. We were born You know what I mean but I feel like people are constantly discovering true crime either they get into it from Netflix documentaries podcasts TV shows whatever it is like and there's such a huge depth and breath of of like media to to digest in true crime and I think especially reading a really well written fictionalized account is something that I don't think a lot of crime fans have done. No. I mean when it comes to the entertainment categories true. Crime is the second most popular category when it comes to podcasts next comedy, which is so broad I mean. There's a reason why that is people are fascinated by this as a reason why law and order Svu is on twenty, four, seven on USA. It's because there's an audience for it and and you know we can. We can go on for days as far as the psychology of that of why were drawn to that. But I really I. Don't know that I can fully explain it. So we talk a little bit too Jennifer because as you said I'm a murderer. No. Stay. Sexy. Don't get murdered. Huge Fan huge fan of those ladies over at my favorite murder. Shoutout. Plugging a podcast not related to us. Help. One of them is from my county. Karen's from Soma County. So that's like she's you know we feel like we know her anyway Yeh. So as I When we talked to Jennifer, I have been into true crime since I was a kid I've been to anything true and Dr Cryptic words. TV shows alien. TV shows go shows at anything like that where people have accounts of like what happened to them true crime is something I got into because of my mom who is into it and it's something that we enjoyed together and we still do. Enjoy and for me, it's it's hard because a lot of people don't get it and they think you're just a Sicko or they think it's weird or perverse or whatever, and it's like it's so much more than that. For me. A lot of it is about with any of this true stuff I'm talking about I like to have people tell their stories I, think that everybody deserves to have their story told specially when something tragic happens to them, and I, of course, want there to be justice. There is nothing as satisfying as when you get invested in a true crime story and there is a sense of justice of resolution and even though it's not perfect somehow in our lizard brain, we want it because we're like, yeah like I know that it's not going to bring this person back and know that it's not gonNA. Change. What happened to this person's loved ones but it's like we want that though we want that like some of it was righted this wrong was righted. Yeah and this yeah. What. But again, what is so unique about this novel in my experience is when you listen to true crime podcast when you read true crime novels a lot a lot of times the victims are introduced. This is kind of the life that they lived in the very beginning of a story and then and then everything after that is really just all about the facts of the case and there might be tidbits of something that was going on in investigators life that informed the investigation but. There's not there's a there's a disconnect. There's a lack of humanity in the storytelling. What this does is by creating original characters and creating a slightly original story it humanizes the experience it makes these people real. It makes the emotions and the terror and the joy of having justice. It makes it more human I totally see what you mean, and this is not one of those true crime stories. The focuses a lot on the criminal mind and criminal motive. So if that's not so much your. then. 'cause I know for some people it's not this isn't one of those. So know that going in if that's more how you like your shoot crime is from Canada, the other side of it. Cheese I guess like I don't Wanna I don't even agent more because it's just WanNa can let the interview speak for itself and then get into the spoilers. But I will say we kind of mentioned this the fictionalized detective. Riley Saint James. She's very fabulous and I really liked her really really later a lot. I did too and I really liked who ends up kind of being her partner in the investigation Kinda share crimes. Yeah. Yeah is. Not, the not a perfect person, there's a lot of things about him. That is questionable but again, that that complicated relationship that they have and that the understanding that they're able to come to at certain points as far as they both care ultimately for different reasons is. You know I really enjoy I really enjoy a both of those characters. Yeah. She's kind of works with a couple of different law enforcement men in law enforcement, and you know this is a little bit of. A, little bit a book about her experience as a woman in this world and not saying that the things she went through men and men investigators don't go through but because she has a past this, not entirely dissimilar as it says, in the description she brings a different perspective to the investigation and there's something really really cool about cold cases deming justice that has beyond satisfying. So we'll talk more about that in the interview 'em spoiler section as well. So if you haven't gotten it from at least what I have been saying I, believe that this has a mass appeal I agree and especially more than anything else just knowing how much people love true. Crime, there's no reason that it shouldn't be mass-appeal reason I don't even have a whole I. Don't even have a whole like lecture to go into what I think is mass appeal I feel like we've already said it. Yeah. Because it just comes a thing and even if true crime is not your thing if you love if you love good stories, good characters and especially if you love thriller mysteries, which whole lot of people do yeah. This is still a fantastic book and you should check it out. Absolutely. Good good point there Scott, should we do it? Let's do it. Okay everybody. We're so excited to introduce you to tonight's author Jennifer Grazer Dornbush enjoy the interview. Join the show. Leave us a review. You can find us on Instagram at John Junkies as well as GENRE JUNKIES DOT com. Now back to the show. John Junkies please will come Jennifer. Grazer Dornbush author of a hole in the woods. Welcome welcome Jennifer Inky. Thank you I. Think so much for for being here we've We haven't had gender from the show before we're obviously revealing her books. So we'll try to keep the interview was spoiler free, and if we have some spoiler sections will hide him. We'll hide it later. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Are It's hard, but we'll do it. So Jennifer tell us about your background as a writer and crime novelist. Sure. So a very unlikely pass or maybe very likely I'm not sure. It seemed unlikely to me but I so I grew up in northern Michigan and in a very small country it kind of place and my father was the medical examiner for three counties up there in the office. For the medical examiner was in our house. How so yeah. So I grew up around death investigation since I was a baby. And forensics a on it was literally you know on our kitchen table in the Home Office morticians coming to the door families of victims coming to the door eating things lease detectives like it was literally was like I was living in my own CSI world right. I had no idea that was cool. It certainly unique. It's those things you. You don't think about because we're used to TV show versions right of. Of How that looks and that's not necessarily accurate. Right and it was years it was years before TV made it look really cool. So I was kind of like embarrassed by it. You know why you like a leg in your? Body parts in your. User like some weird horror flicks. But yeah, it's the way I grew up is very different than what you see on television and it was just what we lived in breeds did my first quote unquote death investigation when I was eight years old with my dad and my little sister and we it was just what we did by my dad also a physician. This was like his part quote unquote part-time job but he averaged about one hundred deaths a year. So seeing a one every three days or so wow, that's like I mean it's so. It's so cool that you grew up. So immersed in science very immersed very he's very scientific have been a very scientific home like when I was learning my anatomy, we had a skeleton that we named Sam and say was an anatomical skeleton. It was a real person. This is before they just when they used to actually take real people and make teaching skeletons from them you know like donated bodies So I got to learn how my bones and fishers and everything on real skeleton who lived with us. Anymore. Many lessons. But yeah, it was just I didn't think anything of it until you grow up a little bit and you're like Oh wait you're you guys or do this it right? Literal skeletons in your closet. Somebody hasn't skeleton in their closet. Also had I are. Here's an here's the funny thing because everything was a lesson, right? So my dad would put put a cigarette in Sam's between its teeth right? It is now. A Dad why does he on smoking? 'cause like we did not know that was taboo no-smoking does that's how he died died smoking and don't you ever smoke going to die in that's you know I later. Did He? Brings home a set of black lungs from an autopsy done sets it on the kitchen table girls set a black lungs. I want to show you what they look like. This was a lifelong smoker. Here's a set healthy lungs is what it should look like any of the lesson goes on and not but that was just yeah that was the day day in the life effective lesson. Yeah. Not Am I says and I ever slowed. Like not only with the science, but and obviously, of course. That's a lot of tragedy and everything to with people's deaths. But I appreciate that kind of like like a realism to it kind of a death. Positively it sounds like she went away. You know that like this is what happens and this is what this stuff looks like. Yeah because it's it's mixed right? Because if you do learn to understand the cycle of life in that death is part of it and I think for us. mystifying how and why people die and that it is a fact of life and then allowing the grieving process because my mom was like the counselor of the family. So so when people would come she, she did all the office managing and such. So when people would come to pick up paperwork I remember times when she would just let them talk you know pull them aside, sit them down explain to them things at anything had questions. Let them talk about their loved ones because a lot of times when people die the family members don't know what to do. You're not. You don't know the process and the steps in and you're in shock morning and. So I got to see this very, very humane gracious side of the death process but also this scientific process and as a result of that they, it makes you it also makes you realise like you gotta live every day to its fullest. You don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. You don't know if you're GONNA make it. So tomorrow and not in a morbid way. But in the sense of being grateful for everything, you have ever relationship never wanting to let the sun go down on your anger it really puts life into perspective. and. We got that from a very young age where you know I don't know how support it was you thankfully I grew up in a house where people were the family. It was very much. My parents were very much about this is life is precious in amazing. And yet can be snatched from you anytime. So be careful how you live in and live it to the fullest. That's incredible. So cool. So when did this experience of your? Turn into a passion for writing and and you decided to start to write about true crime. All that slash therapy. Let's see. So I really, I, always wanted to be a writer and I did different careers like journalism in public relations and things that included writing. Later I taught high school and college for a long time and taught writing and grammar and literature, and all of that, and it wasn't until my late twenties when I was like I really want to write like. A writer as a profession I better figure this out life is passing me by but if a better stop take the seriously and it was at that point when I started to walk into that path and really get training and take it seriously and make scheduled time in my life for it that you start thinking like, okay, I'm a writer. Great. Am I right about? What am I doing what am I putting on page? That is my voice or unique to me or something that I think would be interesting for the world to share with the world and all of these like crime mystery stuff started to bubble up and I know it sounds crazy. But I literally had not put the two and two together until that point that all of this forensic stuff in this way, I'd grown up in this way of looking at the world and I really did not put together until I started looking at myself as a writer and so we took a bit in and then people actually had to me. Jennifer you have all the information on alleged that most people don't have and I was like Oh really and I just didn't 'cause you know it's kind of like when you learn look if you learn a second language when you're a kid, you don't know that the rest of the world doesn't just speak two languages like right it's just who you are. So I had learned all this language and all this this world and I didn't realize that it was different or interesting. I really didn't. You didn't think it was interesting quite honestly know how? People were like you know when you start to get feedback from people on your writing and no this is like you need to lean into this. This is Mike Oh and then I went back to school actually because I was like, yeah, actually I kind of like this. and. I. Kind of want to dig into this went back and got more training in. That's when I sort of fell in love with it more obviously more from the academic side because I'm not a practicing forensic specialist I don't go out and solve crimes. Just sell fictional once so. I I love being met world with the real professionals and learning from them, and now a lot of them are my friends and I could just call them up and say, Hey, I'm having a question about this or that or. So I actually now Kinda love being back in that world in the role that I'm in as a storyteller. So that's how it happened Oh. That's really cool. So tell us a little bit about your your writing process and what your favorite part of the process is my writing process is like a day job I realized. That if I was going to do this professionally I had to treat it like a like a job like a professional. So. I'm very and everybody has their own system. Right and everybody has their own life that's going on in what they can do I've been blessed to be able to treat it a professional job. So I keep professional. I give myself time off on the weekends I'm not a late night person like I'm glad I'm not a late night writer I I'm like I need my waking hours my work hours. Let's that's how I do it logistically I pretty much the I would say the the one thing that shocked me about becoming a writer is how entrepreneurial it is in. So how much time you have to spend actually marketing yourself in marketing in publicity in social media and all that stuff that goes along with it. So that's That's been a bit of a challenge for me I think I'm getting it getting the hang of it now after you know fifteen years. An and we help I definitely have learned to try to incorporate help in the air or I'm just not the strongest. So that helped me be able to keep focus on creativity moving projects forward. No. High of media I don't love publicity marketing, I can do it but I don't love it. So if I can get somebody to help me with that which I have one bull then I'm happy and I'm like, okay now, I can focus products. And I can feed her content all day long but then I don't have to manage it. You know. Yeah No, and that's I think that that rings very true. This entrepreneurial spirit so good for you for for making it. Work is taken a bit but I think I think we'll gotTA. System. So this on the real life case that the novel is based on there's a very interesting connection between that and your dad we were talking about yes. Right. So this real life case is based on the case of Shannon insiders who went missing in nineteen, eighty nine. After she'd been out with some geist partying basically, and they found her body three months later, and that's where my dad stuffed in because she was obviously dead in the woods and so my dad stepped in as a medical examiner and that's the first time. I actually heard about the case and I was I was not even living at home at the time of my first year of college actually and but I was. So enthralled by it. Because again, coming from this role small community setting this very egregious rape and murder was just not something that happened very often in our community and it really put a dark cloud over the community and I just thought I was kind of fascinated by and they just they couldn't solve it and consolidate. The thing is a lot of knew earn very strong suspicions about who the killers were and that. Hung over the community for twenty five years and those people were in the general region you know area within fifty miles or so their entire lives. So it was that fascinated me as as I tracked the story you know you you move on. But as you track this story would come up from time to time and my dad would talk about there were a lot of details he didn't share with us the family. It was an open case, but I just found very fascinating, and then in two thousand eleven, their document airy a local documentary that was done on it, and then the cold-case team started to become involved, and then we just kept tracking it and we were all we attract something that long for twenty five years and you get to know the players right? You know the characters you know the family, you know the friends. And you're like accounting on this plays out. And I was able to go to the trial. They were able to make an arrest of these two brothers and I was able to sit in on the trial five years ago and I'd always thought this might make for a really interesting story but I don't know a lot of the details and I knew a lot of the details were going to come out in court, and so it was a three week trial with two separate juries at the same time. and. Twenty? Four people twenty four jurors up there and I was like the best entertainment ever I mean on the sounds terrible murder shot but it was. I couldn't wait to get to court every morning and find out stuff find out more bad over seventy witnesses and it was just fascinating and as I. Sat through this day after day my mind started to click my writers minds are clicking like Oh. Yup Click Click Click and things started to click into place and I started to figure out how I wanted to tell the story so. I. Think. That's so fascinating. I've I've been into true crime since I was a kid, my mom kind of like got me into it and I still am into it and there's something about win that justice is served and I think that's why a lot of us are into crew Trimbe. I'm true true crime where whatever is. One of those words because it's it's so many moving parts and it's like, of course, it's not gonNa make everything right for the families and the victims and all of that but it is so satisfying when it's like got it we got it right it is so satisfying in your right I became good friends with the victim's father Bob and when all this trial started and I knew I wanted to write about something i. Approached him immediately to ask for his blessing I, didn't really need his permission because I was gonNA fictionalized it but wanted his blessing and a small community I wanted him to note I was up to and he's absolutely he I've had wonderful conversations with him over the past five years and he will say the same thing he'll say it doesn't really give you closure but there is justice in there is a sense of peace. That whole he says will always be in his life always in his heart, but there is A sense of peace that came from an sense of justice. So yeah, you're absolutely right. It's we want I think as humans we just desire that like there's something in nate in us we. That the world is in chaos, we want order if somebody's done something wrong we want it it and that's what happened here in an amazing. Really. Dramatic way. So I was like I need the world to know about this and that just the real case. But hopefully, the fictional case I was able to I wanted to fictionalized because I wanted to have some liberties with the main character to be able to bring her through a journey. And through her own journey of peace of something that she's dealing with. So yes. So that actually leads into my next question is this is a story that is based on our on on a real true crime, but with unique and original characters, how do you go about creating and introducing these characters into this very real story? Yeah I. I don't know I. Think it's part of the magic of the writer brain that happens 'cause I. I don't know I know that I can say like there was I. Did this this this? As a listening to stories. All the stories, all the characters in trial I started hugh pluck. What I thought were the most interesting and emotional pieces. And then there was so much evidence I had to figure out. Okay. I can only I can't do everything. This is crazy. So I picked out like the ten pivotal pieces of evidence that really turned the case from point to point. And then, I, there were actually five originally five detective on the cold case team working this case for two years before they made the arrest will you can't have farm. I mean, come on your readers will be getting confused and now there's too many. Yeah. Game of thrones. I'm. Not There yet. So I was I get I. Just need one I knew I wanted a female I knew I wanted a fish out of water and who was broken and damaged because, right we wanna see broken characters be whole because whole. So that's that's she's probably the most fictional character in the other ones are all sort of loosely based off a combination of characters who stories I thought were interesting I totally. Yes I totally fell in love with detective Riley I thought she was just absolutely amazing and. A really cool character for us can of feminist folk because she's she's vulnerable, but she's tough and she's smart. She's not a superhero absolute Kudos, what a great hair one. So, much. Thank you. That's exactly what I was going to do. I'm not at work for you. A follow up to Riley to. So Riley reads why books to unwind and we love that because we like to read why books to. You write about such intense stories. How do you unwind? Yeah I watch comedy. I do read a lot I do eat a lot. I love biographies. I Love I do read why I love why not a ton of it but I I do read it. I. Honestly I right I mean, sorry, I run I do Yoga I. Love to garden I like to do stuff physically you know I like to cook. I like to knit unlike boring person on. You? Reading off the list of the things that Sandra Knight combined light to do. Dhabi's yeah. Should all get together and just never something? I love it I don't hate this idea at all he great because that's important. Yeah. Funny. Like during Cova, I'm really really cut down my viewing habits. I watch I mean our television is barely ever on. It's interesting this year how I've just turned off the dial. Wow that's cool and I mean especially Lino it's anything you can do for escapism you know. Exactly. So how has your writing process in your experienced changed in two thousand, eight, hundred, twenty? That's a great question. At all a single that. I was I was pretty much living the copay life for. Thirty living. Poor teed cottage style. Right exactly I was well prepared, I've been preparing as preparing for this for twenty years. I. And by the way I'm the person on the airplane who like wiping everything down. I was doing this years ago people on us and. a new really. So gratefully, it hasn't because I do so blessed to get to work from home. I have a lovely little office. I have my writing routine already set up and covert didn't change that at all because I've been working from home for a very long time. So I just the thing I don't love to. Nobody's loved. This is not being able to go places I. I'm not a hermit by any means. So that's kind of a bummer just not because I love going to coffee shops to write. I like I like to write it home, but there's a especially, the part in the process where deck first draft you just you're pouring so much energy into it. I for some reason, I love to be more around people when I'm doing that part of the process and that energy. Yeah. Yeah and that's been sad to me because I can't go to my coffee shops and Sit there and write in. Yeah I'm I want that back? Yeah. You said a magic word when you said that you had your office, what do you surround yourself in your office when you're working? Yeah. Painting a picture lettuce, your office liquid. We'd love to ask This I. Love It. I happy in my office. Wallow. Show I folks. Book friends. I have a lovely chair that I can lounge in and there's always one or two of my dachshunds in the chair. So right now, my little dachshunds Sedona is sleeping keeping me company. And a lot of like inspirational quotes hanging from the door is my skeleton yet magical skeleton. So my best friend Amy when I was in high school and we were all departing for college she gave in like one of those like they're like maybe a foot tall and they're like at Halloween those rubber skeletons. Yes you know that. Yeah. So she gave me one of those in she dressed to embark be close. And I know. But I spend like my tells since I left is. Always with me Oh and. Is. It is we do Paul Samya. Junior I it won't feel. So what Kinda cute about that is. So my best friend Amy. From high school she. See loved. My Dad did and she became a nurse and she started nursing school in she would accompany my dad on autopsies so that she could learn anatomy. Cool. Yeah, she loved that. So she to work with my dad a bit and he always was teaching nurses EMT's and stuff like that. So he's like, yeah, amy come along. So she loves hanging out with him learning stuff so. She was part of my my coroner's world. That's cool. That's so cool. On a kind of a serious note to tell us about how this novel is in part a partnership with the Cold Case Foundation 'cause that's something I haven't come across a lot of crime fiction. Thank you. Thanks for asking that I'm really excited about this. So I. Found the cold-case on mission about a year ago but I had been looking for a long time for some sort of organization philanthropist. Har a love. Supporting amazing causes and donating my time my money whatever it can. And I want something that ties into my brand that that support forever you know that that is just part becomes a part of my brand what I'm doing and that proceeds of the things I'm working. In a person. Can support the real heroes because it's like writing about this I can kind of do it from the protection of my lovely office in I can create these crime worlds in these heroes. But the I've known a lot of the real heroes out there and they are the people who deserve the real praise and I want to find the right. Organization to support and I came across them very randomly or Providence. And I. Think. Wow. I started reading their website like, Whoa, these people are exactly who think I'm on a partner with so I I kind of them in. Succession of conversations with the Executive Directors for both former FBI profiler their former law enforcement, and now they've been running this in a profit organization twenty fourteen it's amazing. We call Nick The avengers of crime because they have. This is cool because they have like not only. Do they have this FBI profiling background the US and they it's very unique way of investigating cold cases that most people aren't doing and they have this pool of like twenty or forty, and it's growing professionals from all over the US and the world. Who are the some of the field? So they can tap into arson or DNA specialists or forensics or medical. For. The list goes on. So it's like they have these vendors at their fingertips. So when a case comes in and currently they're working out about two hundred when a case comes into them, they can say, okay, we'RE GONNA put pool team together to go take a second look at this cold case because they really believe that every case can be solved. It's just the there's usually what happens is there's a lack of resources lack manpower women, power. There's a lack of. Just time to to be able to do this and so after about a year case goes cold doesn't mean that it can't be solved just means that the Police Department Law Enforcement Agency has had to move on because they are concerned about what's happening in the present in the future like let's stop present crime. Let's stop. And the the past. Always there's not always the time money for it. Yes. So anybody who has a cold case can apply victims families can apply law enforcement agencies can apply, and then they will review the case and if they're able to work on it, they'll pull the this team of crimefighting avengers to get on the case and and use fresh eyes and fresh technique to to solve it. So I fell in love with them and they have my undying support. So absolutes superheroes. Sokoll keep fighting the good fight we believe in you out there. Absolutely. Absolutely. And they're the kind of second cool part to that is they're starting up a victim prevention program, which is a little unique. It's also kind of unique unique techniques to it I feel like. Inkerman on. Techniques and they they're getting this ambassador Ambassador Program together and I'm going to be one of their first ambassadors to help them train others victim prevention Rach Elation. Yes 'cause you know we read about victims right about McDonald's it's entertainment for us. Right we watch these shows but. None of us want to be a victim. Right. So what can we do to even young? It's so important right so there's some very, very simple things that I, even I had never thought about that their training in ways that their training unlike, yeah I. WanNa. Be a part of this I want to. The it's fun to read about him. It's it's escapist. All right. In our real lives let's let's completely try to reduce our risk to become victims of crime. That is so cool and kind of on that note to where can listeners and readers find you and follow you on your journeys and. Find out what's next? Yes. Come. Join me on my. Part of the journey. Why website has everything Jennifer Dornbush DOT COM TO ENDS DENVER DORM BUSH DOT COM. D. O. R. N. B., U. S. H. everything they're all the social media links all the book saw the everything forensic resources than kinds of fun things. So yeah lots of lots of new journeys ahead and I welcome anyone into the community. We will be joining you there. We will be at least. At least. There's many many good things to come. Well thank you so much. It has been such a delight to talk to you and it has it was such a A. refreshingly unique take on the true crime Jon Rao we really appreciated. Thank you. What a cracking good interview. It was cracking good. We don't say that in. America. So it sounds really fake when I say it. because. It is pretty fake when we say it but I like that. Turn of phrase. It's really good cracking thumping it just. Yeah I can't sell it but it was that good. Okay. So from here on out, we're going to talk about spoilers. So of course, if he don't want to be spoiled read the book come back and then join us again. Yeah. That's how we do agenda Junkies. Okay. So the first thing that I want to address is it's very, it's I. It was very different for me to be reading a book where I knew who the the the the culprits were at the very beginning that I knew that the brothers are the ones who did it I kept expecting there to be some sort of twist that it wasn't them because that's what I've been trained. Yes to expect but no, they're assholes. And they did it and everyone knows they did it. That's kind of the. That's one of the crux of of this whole book is that when something happens we've had conversations about this someone knows about it somebody always knows and it's just they don't talk about it. It's the town secret. It's a secret for some reason it's a shame it's things were not. uncovered correctly, you know it's it's complicated how these things have to work especially in a real life context I'm Scott Not in law enforcement. So we don't really know what we're talking helped, but like you have to have the right evidence and everything and you know there's there's a process to go through, it can't just be well, we all know they did it. So arrest them like you know how this is how it works and I think sometimes these things take a long time for the people to have to be accountable for their crimes. And I'm so glad that in this book and in the true story of Shannon that this that happened for her yes, it's. Take I, WANNA say it took too long because it took long as it had to I don't WanNa. I feel like saying took too long as assigning blame to the investigators return to the investigation and don't. Yeah. Yeah. But it did take too long. It took too long because you know like again like the tower and the people had to live with this people had to live with these. Really Awful people that committed this and you know. It seems like this sort of thing. It tears a place into and it really it really spoke to me when Jennifer talked about her father and how he he investigated like he tried to figure out what the murder weapon is for years after this, it was. It became a part of him and part of his thoughts so much because of the the horrible nature of this crime, it affects so many people right and. We all know that the weapon was this tool and that's not something that everybody would know what that is like. I probably wouldn't recognize it like if I saw it someplace and I probably wouldn't have even with all my amateur sleuthing. been. Like Oh, that's clearly bla-bla-bla. Jennifer did a really good job of describing exactly what the tool would look like and I kept trying to wrack my brain. Okay. Let me see if I can figure out what would cause this sort of thing. Yeah and I couldn't come up with it either because if you've never worked on roofs yeah. You probably have no reason to ever see that tool and you don't want me to work on your. I would get disinterested and leave and the job would never get done. That's not the point. So. The fact of the matter is is that it's a good mystery kind of because it's real. You know like not that there isn't wonderful fictionalise mysteries, but it's like since this is something that really happen. This is why was hard to get the case from point a to point B and a have to imagine that that has to be very hard as an author to take a story that anyone can see. Okay. This is based on this real story. Let me read all about that real story first and then read the book and then Okay Well, how do you add surprises? Interesting that point right? And that's where her incredible characters come in right and. In a way, this sounds bad but it's like, how do you make people care like how do you meet people care about real cases and real things that happen well, take it but make a fictionalized account and she does a lot about talking in this and in the afterward portions we talk in the interview about coal cases and you know that foundation and stuff, and so then it's like Oh okay and you know that somewhere someone's going to read this book who might not care that is now gonNa care about real people's crimes. And I think part of that is sometimes it can be so cold and so text book to read just like this is a true crime this is what happened but if you can flourish it and breathe life into it, it's a lot easier to have compassion and maybe you know fictionalized was a really important way to do that and as much as I. Love The fictionalization as as much as I love the characters. The thing that made this book for me more than anything else is keeping Nina alive. Yes. Yes. Being her consciousness alive, right. It was such a a refresh, refreshingly unique take on the true crime Jonrowe which we really appreciated. Thank you. Thank you ta down this interesting. Tell me what you mean by that. I love that where it's Kinda unique. Refreshing. Well, I think I think there's a tendency and I- as somebody who's like I said a life lawn true crime. You know follower that we get a little. Everything seems a little same Z. Sometimes and formulaic in how you tell the story and it's Nice. When you can look at it and you see this different perspective like I, Know Scott one of the things he's referring to is the perspective of Nina in this story very much. So and getting some humanization, and of course, in the real world, we have Bob's note at the end and you know just kind of this feeling of like this isn't just same old same old paint by numbers true crime it's humanizing varying. Thank you that means a lot to me. Thank you. and. I. Love that. kind of what she's going through is tied into her as. An indigenous person to I thought that was really really cool. Said this before. I'm not a fan of whitewashing everything in Abraham ACC- religious overtones. And And it makes it so much more special that this is. We're seeing through Nina's is her account of her being kind of stuck in a way that feels true to that person some sense it does make sense. Yeah and I also feel like while her spiritual journey if you will was rooted in in a way in her indigenous roots, it wasn't going into a whole explanation or a or a magical is ation of yes heritage. Yes you know she used her. Heritage and things that her mother had told her as ways to frame what she was experience we're experiencing. Yeah. But it wasn't because she was indigenous that she was experiencing there. Yes. That was a frame of reference to what was happening. I agree like from our perspective as non-indigenous people I would say it didn't do that and it was like a breath of fresh air and very much like Oh. Thank God. Like that that didn't happen. I hope that that is how other folks interpret it because I feel that Jennifer was trying yet again to bring a perspective, a humanization, a this this person and their life in their experience, and you know instead of just this is a girl and you know she was in the wrong place fron time and she was a loose loose woman. Is What happens to her. You know like Jennifer did not do that at all and it's it's wonderful and she brought so many compassionate touches and I did not come into the book with really any. Fears or Yes. Yeah. It's only after the book after I finished the book that I really started thinking back like, wow, this could have gone into a bad direction. Yeah. Totally I'd be I'd be interested to hear from other people. Who Do have prejudices about true crime representations and when it comes to you know as you said earlier tonight, you know people who think. People like Kramer Sickos be interested in their perspective of this book because I think that I mean, if this is as as as humanizing as you can get right I totally what you mean there I also want to say I absolutely love that she adopted a retired police dog. And and Sand I. Both had the same reaction I, know when this dog was introduced if you hurt this dog. Dot It. Yeah. We riot. Yeah and I think part of that I. I don't know how well we discussed the subject in the interview or if that's GonNa, make it into here but you know like I think part of it is just when you're reading about things that are terrible and that are hard such as someone's brutal rape and murder, you need wins you need. Someone so then it's like you know you get this adorable wonderful dog and it's like, okay I see what you could do here. Ma'am but I will ma'am you if you do this. Like no just let us have. Let us have some wins here and the other thing I don't know if this was intentional by Jennifer or not but you and I have very similar viewpoints when it comes to the idea of the guard dog and. She didn't go pick up a pit bull raewyn picked up a trained professional who she loved and cared for and loved and cared for her in return. Yeah. And just was highly trained had a very specific set of skills size. Liam. Niessen of dogs and in case you can tell how Scott was meaning that we love pit bulls we'd door them. We're saying like don't take something be. Like this killer and like, yeah no that would have been so gross and I probably would have called her out about that. Yeah, and then I guess the final thing that I wanNA talk about is and I should've asked Jennifer if she fly fishes. Yeah. Because Oh yeah, there's a whole. There's a whole fishing thing which as we know that's very relevant to our beloved Scott here and Because I do not meditate, I am not a meditative person I meditate, but the closest I get to meditating. Is Fishing and it is. It can be very calming even spiritual. Experience that just that quiet with the sound of the water in all of the nature around you and and I I appreciated that viewpoint that that way of of disconnecting and especially when he said, hey we don't talk about those things out here on the water. Yeah. That's not that's not what this place is for pumped here fist and. Like did. You, don't bring that drama here. That Air I'm GonNa have to imagine to like. So it like I. said I I do meditate and I'm a Yogi and it's like, I, imagine that sly fishing in those motions are a lot like yoga in a way you know there's kind of like the the repeat and like the pose the action and away to focus but also be. Late to clear your mind, but also be very in the moment you know yes hundred percent. Yeah. Says a muscle memory to it, but you always have to adjust for the conditions and yeah, and and so there is yes all of those things that you know maybe we should start like how go yoga Thing like. Fly Fishing Yoga. Yeah it'll be. Perfect, perfect combination. Stay tuned. That'll be a patriot level. You can. You can join our fly fishing yoga studio for nine, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, and ninety, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine. Sewing ourselves a little short arms. We need a lot of money. I think it's time to give this book reading. Let's do it. Okay. So I'm GonNa go first then. Okay. So Very, very, very, very much enjoyed. This book I enjoyed talking to Jennifer I highly endorse this book being read and I found it to be. Very very satisfying Very satisfying very. Reflect full moving great experience, and for that, I shall give this novel eight. A half case files out of ten out of ten out of ten. Yes. Okay. Well, done well, done my friend. I am also going to give it eight and a half case files, but out of five. You just. No. But seriously, this is in contention for book of the year for me. This is the Scott Book of the year this this is. It. Took me by. Surprise. I was. I was a little bit hasn't to review this book for the show something different for us. It's something different for us and it's also something different for me. It's out of your comfort zone and so I mean, maybe I've discovered a new genre that I like that I didn't used to be super into or maybe this book is just such a fantastic combination of the. The the the clinical fascination with true crime and the and the the beautiful creation and discovery of characters and their life experiences. I Adore this book and I think it is more than perfect mall. Can I I mean? Can I get a little bit of a shout like I've tried for fourteen years to get you into true crime you have and and Jennifer succeeded stop head. Take that that you you absolutely laid the groundwork for me foundation. The wish build. What you could build upon my friends you you gave me the vocabulary with which to understand and then and then Jennifer wrote the story for me to fall in. Love with perfect. Thank you, Jennifer so much for writing this incredible incredible book. Thank you for sharing with us and the readers this story the. Of Your father and so much about your own personal life and thank you especially for for doing our show this week we were so honored to have you and we look forward to speaking with you again. Yes. In reading more of your works to come. Alright everybody that's it for US Scott Sandra. Thank you. Very Ju- stitches. Thank you. And readers and listeners at home, we will talk to you. We've got one more novel for this month before we get into Tober and it's GonNa be quite an interesting fun. SIS Buki read Kinda getting a little bit of a jump grim little bit of a jump in October. Alright everybody. Thank you so much and please keep reading pasture bedtime. Way Your headphones are right now you look like a turnip because you just have this little piece of hair styles because I'm balding sits right on my bald edges here I know we looked turnip I need I need I need headphones that kind of do this? They make some that have both that's probably worse. Very. Comfortable please it was just the darndest thing I just looked over and I was like. Okay You have to cut all that.

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News Roundup - Donkey Kong Country comes to Nintendo Switch Online plus Bugsnax info!

This Week In Video Games

07:55 min | 1 year ago

News Roundup - Donkey Kong Country comes to Nintendo Switch Online plus Bugsnax info!

"Welcome back to this week in video games, and this is the news roundup giving you over the latest video game news. You need to know in just ten minutes. If you find this useful, then don't forget to like us, share and subscribe on Youtube, or if favorite podcast APP links NAM below in the description or the show notes, says the ninth of July Twenty Twenty said. Let's get into the news I up in the news this week. Donkey Kong country. Country Joins Nintendo switch online. This one is by Tom Phillips. How of your agape? The snacks classic don't come. Country arrives unintended switch next week. Father Nintendo switch online APP as Parvaiz July fifteenth, update res- PLATFORMA is a highlight for this new era with ahead of its time, visuals and gameplay still stands up. Today is success help propel Dunkin Inter cultural icon and has been ported endlessly since is joined by fellow snacks. Title Natsume Championship Wrestling Anez Game The auto. Originally released in Nineteen, ninety, the immortal is a dark and bloody tangent adventure we bow goblins and trolls. Mixed News bugs next. devs on using the PS five cents, the mysterious story and more. This one comes from Jonathan Dornbush Allergen. Since. It's revealed during the playstation. Five showcase is been difficult for many. Myself included to get plug snacks alvar heads. That's both thanks to the earworm of a song that debuted in the announcement trailer, and the unexpected and peculiar trailer itself which whichever tease what plugs, thanks be was leaving plenty of mystery about what the game actually is while they're still purposefully Pentti. Left has mystery ahead of his planned holiday twenty twenty launch on playstation, five and playstation four with Phil and Kevin of developing a young horses to learn a bit more about the game itself. What goes into making Tischler smack and how catching the theme June came to be the first of a war. Is Bunk snacks well? We still don't entirely now. In box hold completely, and that's by design very just gone its announcement even in the craziest. He's the idea six years ago, but at least we know what since players to the island, full of creatures, combining both bugs and snakes. Though the team has spoken a bit more about bugs, next central conceit in the past, the developer's elaborate on the narrative focused adventure. You'll this journalist who's received an invitation from Elizabeth the character you see the trailer. She's told you I've discovered these bugs. Thanks come to the island and report the story and interview me, but then you get the she's gone. Nobody knows years, and so you're in this quest to finder. Find out what happened to her. On the way, you may have friends. The other people who are living on the island with zone said it's a pretty narrative driven game, and while the island and fighting on these people follow Elizabeth to the island. You finding out what exactly they need, and what their problems are and trying to help solve through bugs Nex. While the trailer presents a seemingly cheerful vibe is final moments in something darker is happening in a snack tooth Ireland. Zone antipathy wouldn't let slip what those dunker aspects might be. It did out the studios last game octo dead as emblematic of their approach to bug snakes. With Alto data is pretty cute and fun. To tweet game on the surface has some stuff in the story that was actually deeper than the surface level appearance, and I think you can expect a similar level of depth from box Nex Timoteo he said so. How does bunks next work on the PS? Fine big game coming so early in the life of the PS five bucks snacks aiming to take advantage many of the new features of the console's controller sense. Previously on pretty much any comes. The has vibrational rumble nice. Sometimes can make things more massive, but haven't found anything quite intricate and sensitive Jones's haptic feedback Sibito ski said in our game, being a first person running on different terrain, jumping in and out of water or running into fuck snacks. You can feel the difference between running crafts, but he's running water buses, running on sand or snow. is whether or not game emphasis, thunderstorm and things of that nature you can feel whether sound is coming from through the vibration in addition to using that those sense speaker to play sounds. Ferris Bucks next Mike Young horses is also using the juice. Tree is in the process of trapping, bug snacks, or even years in the light on the controller to display. How endangered you are of the bug snack escaping from a trap Roseau. Using the at that triggers Polski set different tracks have different functionalities, and some of those are best exempted through tension in their triggers to make. You feel like you're really using them. Next stuff in the news. Vari-, upcoming out tradition skins turn weapons into living dragons. This one comes from Boston Goslin. How polycom Oh, so royal announced a new line of violence skins, on Thursday that are more complicated and elaborate than any other skins. We've since I fall in the game. The new skin line is called the elder flame and the games I l tradition skins bundle appears to feature foregone skins. Knife thinned out a fire breathing dragons. Skins for the operator, the vandal frenzy to what might be the judge, and while all the skins have the same general theme, black cow dragons that breath fire, each one of his only innate Living Dragon, the elder flame line like many veterans, other skins will likely be bought with veteran points in most of the previous bundles players going on to buy only specific skins. They wanted rather than purchasing whole bundle, and that's not the case here as well veterans elder flame skins will be released into the game store on July. The twelfth next up in the news the Dark Pitches Anthology Leo. Hope has a new release date. This one comes from Joe Juba of game, informer. Last hope is the latest entry and supermassive Dr Pitches Anthology. Initially scheduled to release this summer. However, it got delayed an uncertain point in the future today. That point is no longer uncertain. The new narrative adventure will release on October thirtieth. Revised eight make. Sense! Hope Spooky game to release during howling season, isn't that? However it was a means that little hope Amana Dan the previous dot pictures games that came last oldest would be releasing over a year palm, falling short a supermassive original go releasing two installments in the theology per year. And finally in the news this week you pay plus trial. is you access to more than one hundred games free? This one comes from Sean. Prescott PC Gamer so if you fancy free access to more than one hundred ubisoft Games, the publisher is offering just that at the moment. This subscription based you play plus services available free for seven days, but only until July twenty seven pretty much. Game with playing on their ranging from new titles like ghost recon breakpoint assassin's creed odyssey through two year old stuff like beyond good and evil brothers. Games service usually cost fifteen dollars a month and a week is hardly enough time to complete one of ubisoft massive open World Games. No, we liked. Burn through eighteen Tom Clancy Games on offer. And waste your time watchdog, too. That's going completely free next week. Well that's it for the news today and thank you so much for watching or listening for more video game news content like this. Subscribe and share with a friend. 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What PlayStation Director's Cuts Should Be Next? - Beyond Episode 714

Beyond!

53:10 min | 2 months ago

What PlayStation Director's Cuts Should Be Next? - Beyond Episode 714

"Beyond and hello everyone. My name is jonathan dornbush and this is podcast beyond episode seven hundred and fourteen. And no you're not in a groundhog day. Scenario or anything along those lines. A half to us for everyone who is watching. You're listening last week. Accidentally called that episode seven fourteen. This is seven fourteen. That was seven thirteen. We change the title. But i couldn't change my voice. It was to the episodes already posted so my apologies but hope hopefully You know that there is another lost episode but we do have another episode seven hundred fourteen for you this week. And i'm joined finally after a long return by lucy. O'brien lucy thank you for joining me is good to be back. I was in the old country for so long. I've forgotten how to podcast. So i apologize if i'm a if my accent has come back stronger If i am a bit like all over the place it is being hot. Second since i've had to pay attention to play station news. But i'm very pleased to be back. It's a i. It's not any stronger on. Like i listen back but if we get into sort of near or near situation again that's months ago i am sure we'll be able to play with it. I'm sure it won't be an issue whatsoever. Excellent but as as anyone watching the episode. It's just lucy for this week. The be full wide idea team is in you know games comp. Prep advance mode And so everyone is super super busy right now. Maximum brian i think have to write. It's approximately seven thousand hours of live show coverage or something like that so they are very busy but hopefully we'll be able to join us back next week. But that just means lucy. We get to make up for lost time since you haven't been last few weeks. Yeah it's one of me and you buddy. Let's do it exactly. Assume we're gonna jump through a few lighter topics sort of as we have discussed earlier on the show. Obviously playstation likes to dip in and out of being vocal about things. And then we'll get to a little bit of that because lucy. I don't know how much you've noticed. While you're there was a rather amusing trend of state of players that popped up over the last few weeks but Before we get to that. I wanna start off the show with a little bit of self promotion from our end because lucy on the side. We put up a piece today as the day. Recording absurd It's the latest in a recent series that we started called art of the level and this one should interested the beyond Audience because it is all about a ghost Title card opening sequence and luciano. If you want maybe give like a primer of what the series is what. It's been too it kind of came before entering the the feature steam fish. Shaw i mean other level is a relatively new series. We've were running three episodes date but the goal behind it is to do a very sensitive deep dive magnifying glass on a small section of the game right. I think in reviews and and various other critical analysis. We tend to talk about things in an end and games is like from a really holistic standpoint from a really point of view and audible evil Does that but through a very very specific lynn's and i think what Doing with a write up produces in of course. Dvr for this particular patient randall. The interviews end the pages long that goes to sushi matale sequence which is one of the most iconic moments in that game is kind of like encapsulation of everything that makes that game so wonderful end. What is particularly about this patient that we got sucker punch on board to actually speak to the conception of that title sequence the evolution. H-how it sort of almost didn't happen Again it really speaks to the broad themes in the goals behind gore sushi as a whole and that's outlive was all about and i think you did such fantastic job and i don't as well this to be like a big joke like it it it is it is something that i'm really proud of I think that we'd love to do more of these. If there any dibs listening to this episode ed. They've got something they really wanna go deep on. Please hit us up. We wanna do more. Yeah it's it's one of those things that i think it's probably the most fun i've had working on a product and sometime and the one. I'm most proud of in quite a while. It turned out really really well. Pat coughlan on our video team did an incredible video at it and transformed it from. I think we talked about it like we didn't expect it is a little bit longer. It's it's twenty two minutes long so it is kinda like sitting down for a half hour of tv but like it goes by really quickly. It's it's really super. Well paced from from pats edit and it was one of those things where we started and i was like okay. This is going to be too long. I feel really bad about this. And then we all watch the cut. It was like oh no the story sucker punches telling us how willing they were to share with us was so fascinating like we wanted to keep as much as possible in. I haven't actually told you this. Because obviously i was staying with my parents in new zealand and i was working While i was in new zealand where he on this particular project. And i showed my mom and dad and they totally dug it and of course you know they. They don't they don't video games. That's not the thing at all. But it is such a wonderfully told story that it's compelling regardless of your knowledge of go shema. Yes it's i really can't recommend checking into enough especially you. We posted this week to line up with the director's cut which is launching on friday. And so i. If you haven't played goes to susan before an are with a director's cut. I'd recommend you know. Play the first hour of the game and then watch it. But if you've already played ghost which i'm sure a lot of people listening watching have a go check it out. It is about the top card sequence but The entire soccer team we spoke to was really really a gracious and giving with like behind the scenes info and exciting little bits of information. About how how. All of this came together and how it was kind of one of those like magic moments that Not totally cribbed. From what one of the data says but is like the magic that you can't plan for when developing a game like this was a moment that was not some meticulously engineered thing from day. One of the game at kind of happened by accident but it was the happiest of accidents for the team And it's it's a really radical peace and thank you to everyone on the sacramento side including Our old friend andrew goldfarb For helping to put it all together but yeah definitely please go check it out. Just want to open up and let people know. Because we're super excited about the piecing. As lucy said we want to make more of them and do actually have in the works another playstation related one coming up in the next month or so that should also be of interest to a lot of people who listen to watch the show. I am very excited by us. I should put together soon but anyway you know it's it's a busy time of year. Some august is the busiest time of year. All of a sudden. I did want to briefly touch. Obviously the director's cut is coming up on a friday. I i did want to touch on sort of an interesting thing and lucy. It's it's been a topic that i know he addressed a little bit Last on the one of the last year on the show. But it's also something that's come up since then as like the whole idea of what a director's cut is what it means for sony. Because there was that whole serve many controversy but kajima basically coming out and saying like i don't know why recalling in a director's cut but we are and so. It's obvious thing that police station wants to be doing with their games but my question is like where do i guess they go from here. Because i was trying to go through the list. I feel like there are a couple obvious ones but beyond the obvious ones beyond i don't really know how deepa series of director's cuts. We're gonna end up getting at this. Yeah it's a derek. Discount is like a really tricky nebulous tomb in the games face a because it tends to be like this is the film director. Roy wanted to make in the various reasons. Steve you're middling a the state of the world finances etc. They couldn't originally saw. Get things like David finches academy liens free. That's the thing. But like in the game space instantly strandings case it's seems more like this is additives content just seems like this is like what we would typically cool. Dlc isobars but it's been cooled It is it is it. Is we it because if we think of something like the loss of pot too you know which i get seems like an obvious case. Study from from all From what. I know that that was the game that they don't want it to make you know the the the line is always being that they had a great deal of creative freedom but then i think ultimately with all the editions that days gone received. Its lifetime it kind of dig a direct. His cut like what what days gone is now is very different. What was launch Again there are very few otas in the space. I just i'm unsure of what that term means I think is pen. It definitely feels like a marketing way to not say like game of the year addition or or to say we're doing an expansion for a game like you're saying i mean for literally for the initials of it in his dlc minus the l. At that point like it is just goes tsushima dc. but it. i. I agree with you. It's like it hasn't very certain connotation the film's face where there is a lot of different oversight that happens and not to say oversight doesn't happen the games industry but yeah with stranding the whole thing about that game was that was the game kajima wanted to make and it does not smack studio middling at all no i and obviously you know there have been divisive opinions about that game to say the least. I had a wonderful time. Just carting around that world building roads. But i don't think like build build. A highway is really a promotional thing. You would expect to see on like sony first party game. So it's yeah we're in an interesting spot in the same thing with ghost sushi ma. I interviewed some desperate. And they were like yeah. The director's cut it. Lets us add some things in and revisit the world that we didn't think we'd have the chance to so it's it's not as if it was cut content and to your point about the last of us to that one feels like it's inevitable to get to get a director's cut. I just like other than multiplayer. I can't see them adding. Dlc to like a a story bit. i don't quite know what nine look like I mean unless they did a Another lift behinds file expansion. But again that wouldn't be a director's cut because that's very fully realized standalone expansion Sir i agree with you. I think multi-player is really the only thing i would expect to see in a director's cut of the loss of us Data's anything else would feel superfluous. Yeah it it very much as you're saying like we. We spoke with neil and halley after the game launched teams like the told the story that they at the end of it all wanted to tell that they were able to get the scope of it. Without going to spoilers. You could almost say some of it. Was you know multiple last of us entries almost within one game because of the event because of where it went and so it's yet it's a really weird case we. We do know that there was recently. And i want to make sure i give the correct credit but A youtube youtuber named Spec leuser was going to say specialized but there is no extra. I in there. I did some data mining of the last host partout and found essentially things that seem to imply multi-player assets that we're still in there and we know they're working on multi-player for a pretty time and that they still have some intention to follow up with multiplayer that feels like the most obvious thing to add in with A director's cut at this point. But i also do wonder what the successive like goes to see shimon legends as a free multiplayer addition that they added in means for them to then say. Oh but we're going to charge for the last of us multi-player like it might be a weird case of where they draw the lines there. I'm curious to see what happens there. I don't know about you. yeah no i again. It's this is just one of those. It just feels like a marketing that we're trying to ascribe sort of function to banaras real functional like the you know the nature of video games as Evolving things means that that yet direct Just it's very hard thing to define. I would like to see Us factions common free absolutely in the same vein as As a gossip. Sushila are like i want to see that free. That would that that is the natural thing And maybe in the end you know. they'll be packaged. it would be fantastic. It's a standalone expansion lightly behind and said the multiplayer and the original game will packaged up in a game of the year edition. Cool that direct is cut. Yeah it's an interesting case where they're they're kind of using director's cut as a catch. All the island expansion that is within the ghost of directors cut seems to be very different from. What's being added on the stranding side. So it feels like as you were saying a marketing term more so than Any sort of specific thing. I i don't ever going to be like this is what a director's cut entails because it's kind of think whatever they want the term debate. Obviously it'd be great if there was just a bloodborne director's cut music run on. Ps five swiftly. Wouldn't that be cool. That whatever the hell they want. Yup like anything. And i'll take it. That is the one for me. That feels like the most obvious like older one that playstation fans with demand because i was kind of going back through like playstation classes and like you said like days gone. They did a lot of updates. Smooth out the performance. They added in post launch challenges. And things like they were doing what probably would have been director's cut at that point and now knowing that they're working on a new. I don't know how much they would be inclined to revisit days gone as a like game of the year style edition director's cut at this point Absolutely i mean again bloodborne. You're right bloodborne is the only one i mean. Blood moon right now is just such a strange case. I know we go on about it too much but it is just such a strange case that it's just received no quality of life improvements. It is. i mean it's not the original original game because obviously when we first played it. It was the loading screens. Just bloodborne like they would even tips and the minutes longer right from they was all along. It was so long. Which of course related. Yes regained where you dialogue but Yeah it it. It does feel like just the stubborn like the blood. A stop an old person you know like in bloodborne. We'd those people in the in the chairs and the rocking chairs with shotguns. Yeah like bloodborne kind of is that character right now just feel. It's just sitting there with a shotgun being lack. Leave me lonely milan. The dark house. I just want to be in this dog house with my creatures around me. I don't want anything to change. We're just gonna reset every time you spoil it. Just it's very kind of poetic in that way but the the grandma and the sloppy boys house bloodborne a house. I know very well at this point. But yes Yeah it feels like the most obvious candidate. Because i was going back through and similar. Today's gone. I was gonna say like oh. I'd love to see gravity rush but team siren. That made gravity. Rush is no longer there. Because the executive producers who made those games left from their own studio sony japan got you know restructured to only be team of sobe i. It's a strange cat. And then something like i was thinking. Oh well maybe concrete jeannie would be really cool candidate designed to game i love. It's a smaller scale. Sony first party game. That may be a lot of people might have missed giving it a second chance at life would be great but also that team is twenty people big and i don't know if they have the bandwidth to also make dlc while they're making their newgate. You know it's it's a strange and then of course insomniac just seems to keep making new games at this point. So i'm i'm fine with them to just focus on on spiderman whatever the next spiderman is and hopefully you ratchet clank but yeah it's a. It's an interesting i guess fraternal maybe return with seve state as a directors would go a long way but yeah i sure sure or just you know pech patching the game zad also works. Yeah let's let's just do it. The traditional ends. It is slipping jogging on exactly. It's a it's a strange time for that but whatever new director's cuts we get wall. Obviously cover them on the show. I can't wait to jump into the new goes to show a content and honestly strandings content while next month. It's some nice stuff to start off the fall with games. That i know i already enjoy and not as i enjoy them and be able to jump back into those worlds for a little bit exactly but i do want to talk a little bit about another thing. That's sort of been. It's an ongoing topic. I think we we probably address it to a certain extent almost week on the show and obviously probably did the last time you were on but and it's something we talked about. I think a lot last year Is sort of sony's current pattern of being really quiet until they're not and sony's rate now in this lull of not saying too much had a state of play earlier in the summer that was relatively lower key than i think what people were hoping for because it wasn't You know in e three level event. It didn't have got of war. It didn't have horizon. That didn't have grandma didn't have any massive big reveals from sony. It focused on death loop which is a ps five exclusive at launch on consoles. But that was really the the focus of it and that was about it and so every week i seem to see at least one or two leakers. Say that a state of play is going to be announced this week or the next week and then the week passes by. It doesn't happen and here we are again and it feels like the the runaround that nintendo fans we're going in for a long time when nintendo didn't have directs for like over a year and it was just kind of dislike any morsel of an idea that they may say something is is something people latch onto immediately and and i guess my bigger question is because the more i think about it the more it bums me out as a fan because i want them to have big fanfare. I want there to be a big production but they are selling out of the. Ps fives as fast as possible. It's the fastest selling council from them. The fastest selling council in america. They've released to game of the year candidates with turtle and ration clank. They released six games at the end of last fall. I i like. I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts. I think the silence frustrating. But like i guess from corporate level. I understand why they're doing it. They don't really feel like they need to like what. Where do you feel about the silence and occasional. You know check ins with sony. I mean. I think that as as more sort of intense playstation fans i hesitate to use would hot core but those of us who really invested in in playstation and playstation future You know it is frustrating Being edge like this it is it is it is frustrating especially when you say xbox for example having such a great show or a three in the vision seems really clear end with lifting the doc on the other hand a from what we have been told a with the sales numbers. They're still names about the rarity of playstation five's the average playstation five. Ona may not really care. You know what. I mean like they going out. And they're buying said potty games they buying in they're buying a whole bunch of the buying card and all. These games are not necessarily sort of synonymous with the playstation brand and the fact that they can play It looks beautiful in its exclusive is just kind of a bonus i think it is. It is really frustrating. I i agree with you. It's i. I get it from a corporate standpoint standpoint. It would be wonderful more communication. I've wasted that like the more communication That playstation share with fans the beta a Money's aches and if they don't need to go out prematurely with anything The remained silent. And i get it. It is frustrating. It is frustrating. Like it is it is. It's it's annoying. i. I wanna know more. I want that fanfare. I i missed that fanfare. But i get it. That's where i'm sitting. It's kind of like it's it's it's. It's a slightly deflated place to be right now as a playstation fan but again always say this is just a moment in time and we'll wait and see what the future holds the. It's it's that really weird balance of. I think it's it's more in stark relief. I guess that's what i'm trying to say because as you were saying like xbox is socal like i feel like every time i go onto twitter everyday. There is information about xbox game pass games or things of that nature nintendo even though they were really doing direct for a little while have have gotten back into the rotation of doing that. They're they seem to be a little more focus like we six games. They have coming out in the next four or five months we. We have like a bigger understanding of them. And it's like playstation we know horizon. We know god of war grant is no but that's it and we haven't seen god of war yet at all Grant we've gotten a trailer to four and we got a really big rise in state of play. But we're in that we're place where we're all kind of like but it's not gonna come out this year and sony hasn't said anything there have been reports of course of the delays Schreier jason trier for blooberg had a report recently so he hasn't commented on that issue. It's just that weird silence indefinite to everything else but like it like. I'm frustrated as a fan. Who just wants to hear more and wants to talk about these things and selfishly wants to have things to put on the run of show every week but as as you said it's like but they are selling like all of their councils they are. They're not hurt in a place as he said. With the sales numbers ratchet and clank was a you know a million sales and that's phenomenal but that's a tenth of the ps five player base which is of crazy right to me. That's like the the reason to get a. Ps five is to play that play returnable and and for it to be only a tenth of the player base is really big but also just odd that no but the other nine million people. What are you doing that. I mean there is something to be said for the power of again. The rarity of this machine isolate like a main the other day was like a woman throwing. She'd been dumped by a boyfriend and she was like throwing the playstation five into the ocean. Or something you know which is like the worst possible thing. You can do And it's it's it's there is something to be in for for that narrative that still exists like the playstation five is the machine to get And and i people are buying them. The playstation brand is still incredibly strong in again. It's i. I don't necessarily think people buying them because just because of that. Incredible fist pie a lineup. The playstation can boast or other brands. Right i think people are buying them because it's an awesome console. It's hard to get and you can play all of the big dame's on it right like it's it's not necessarily because of the grand playstation vision in his potty output. Sorry i didn't on as i said it's it's a frustrating time to be a fan like i'm not gonna lie but I i'm certainly not worried for playstation what we've got a plan for us in the in the years ahead the silence at least for now is not worrying and it goes back to the thing of like i was saying. Return on client gar. I think in most Seeing most conversations from different outlets ours included are some of the game of the year. Front runners are some of them claimed best reviewed games of the year. Like they're certainly not lacking cool games this year whereas you do like on the xbox side we're slowly getting there halo is still set for this fall. But that's really that and microsoft flights coming to xbox are really the the microsoft things right now but because of the factor of game pass coming up in conversation every week because they can announce new games coming to that every week whereas playstation plus drops. Three games month playstation. Just right now doesn't have the things that let them say new stuff every and they're also not jumping at the chance to for the moment. It's the apple. One harps that her. I mean one hopes i mean one would would very. It's very likely that what they're doing is is taking some time portfolio to to stay back in assists. What the The future is for playstation. Right like it is an interesting spot for them to be in Game pass is such a. It's such a big deal. It's it is a system sullivan. Many people and and Playstation is currently in not in competition with that Sir know i do heart. The silence is more like we're taking our time to really assess what what what we want the playstation brand to be moving forward what we want to offer our audience moving forward rather than just like silence because they're waiting for the knicks state of play to talk about more about horizon. You know what. I mean like i. I hope that there is that the next things we hear from playstation moralistic and the years. A couple of games. You know what i mean. Let me know. Noah slight into games but again what we were hearing from xbox Future focus and it would be nice to have a similar vision outlined to us as playstation sense. Yeah the last week on the show. Brian max and i were talking kind of how police station did one of those. Here's a few indie games on the playstation blog spotlighted. It would be cool if that was like a more regular thing that we got kind of maybe once a month or once a quarter that was just more of a built out thing but yet in terms of think you hit the nail on the head like a forward looking sort of future statement. This is probably the least. We've known about playstations. First party slate in some time like yes. We know those three games that we've been talking about but that's largely it at this point and that's a really weird place to be an an. I don't know if you think it is. But i almost wonder if it's a reaction to the last few years of the. Ps four which we definitely. I think criticize them for on the show. But essentially the last three or four years. The ps four was like here of the same four or five games every three every every game com like they just had to keep showing those because those were the games that they had announced in. Those are the ones coming up but it meant that you kind of got fatigue seeing those games just wanting them to come out. So i wonder if they're now going all the way in the opposite direction and just saying oh absolutely. I mean. I totally agree. I think that Playstation was really burned by that lost a three that they attended in particular where it was the the three games we'd seen over and over again and it was just a very confusing showing from playstation And yeah absolutely. I think that they don't wanna do that again. That they're being cautious. But yeah i do think. There are a lot of other conversations going on behind the scenes as well. Yeah yeah it is a really interesting point nine tulsa were saying i think that we We do know obviously there sort of doubling down on third party exclusive partnerships studios like jade remittance haven fire walk studios that doing multi player game. deviation games from the former call of duty deaths but all of those games do feel harry like okay. Those are probably three years out. Maybe exactly exactly. Like i. I get being sort of done with that really long tailed hype cycle and i think that a cyberpunk toward us in everyone. A lot of lessons about I get. I get being cautious about saying too much too soon. Are i get it. There are lots of third lots of reasons the the the silence could be happening but again i have. Faith worried about the health of playstation. Yeah this is. I think not a conversation about like. Oh no sony's in trouble is just more of a like it. It feels weird because we want to be able to talk about these things we want to be able to say like. Oh the latest thing that sony announced was very cool but if it feels like those just happen less frequently than the naming. Doing it doesn't help that. We're on a playstation podcast definite. It's like come on give us something. Overseeing is herman please make news specifically for the show thank you. That's just just a couple of pieces of news for us specifically. I'm sure it get announced right after the show we record so it's but yeah it's it's weird. Place of technically horizon is still officially set for twenty twenty one right now like that's kind of where we That i don't hit like before. This is the thing we you and i talked about this before the official reports from bloomberg etc came out. I mean there was no one. I think on the shore that sought horizon was gonna come out this year at There was nobody was like. Oh yes definitely definitely gonna hit that. That originally reported release date. No i mean it it it it. All signs pointed to delay. And and so. I'm really surprised that it hasn't been officially announced. I'm not quite sure. What the weight is there. Yeah i like in the back of my head goes. Does that mean it. It will come this year. But i also a yeah i just i feel like it has to be laid out in this year and i think it's definitely were saying especially if anyone from guerrillas listening like one hundred percent that is not a question of the team's ability is simply a like the reality of the world they're developing in the state of things and and just hearing what we hear from developing any game of any size during this pandemic that is still ongoing. Let alone a game as big as this as anticipated and on multiple consoles across generations like this has to be one of the biggest undertakings for real. I would in their history and so we just have to take the time. That's the thing. I mean we were in this really weird space where we sort of talking about it being poisoned pandemic but it's not post pandemic. Some people have shifted back to the office in some people. Haven't i mean the a huge amount of moving pots that come from having worked on something. Having a had a sit up in your home for so long and then suddenly needing to pivot back to a Vansh i i don't know what the situation is at gorilla but just from sort of common sense point of view. It's definitely not gonna have been a smooth ride. The sorry our i again. There are many reasons why. I think this will be delayed. But yeah we're not. We're not postponed him. it yet. like this. A lot sway of it is a lot of bad things going on. And i can't imagine anyone hitting originally announced release date right now in the aaa space. Yeah it's very much one of those like i. I have a vague enough understanding of the production difficulties of us doing everything from home and doing some things occasionally with correct cova protocols in place in red studio and the mammoth undertaking. That is for us. Like i can't even imagine what that means for a hundred plus team member team making a triple a video game and like the amount of hardware and engineering and technology that goes into that It it cannot be in any world a simpler easy process. And so i think when we talk about. Oh it's got to be deleted as just one of those like we just wanna make sure. They're taking the time that they need to. Don't feel the pressure to hidden arbitrary holiday exactly exactly especially because there isn't one sold phenomenally in february of two thousand seventeen like they don't need the holiday bump for horizon to do well So i'm hoping they take the time but yeah we're we're in that strange place of death loop is out in a about a month we've got director's cuts and then we have these three games. That will hoped hear more from but it we do. You'll hear us probably say man. I hope we more from sony soon. but i think all of that is also to say that like when you see someone on twitter. Say there's going to be a state of play a week. Maybe just wait and see until playstation actually tweets it. Yeah yeah 'cause we hear that a lot. And then. I have to spend half of a day trying to talk to people to find out if there is going to be a state of play. If we need to move this show that it just ends up being a lot for my week. So i'm saying as a personal favourite of me. Maybe just don't retweeted instant benign. There have have a ton of commonsense about that stuff. And we'll just have to wait. I i hope we get a new state of police soon. I hope they feel comfortable to announce the delay if it is indeed happening. I hope we see a little of god of war before the end of the year but other than that. We're going to have a lot of games to play in the coming months so we'll probably have lots to talk about their Before we we started getting a bit of wrap up. I do want to mention it was sort of our headlining topic on the show. Last week and lucia. You and i have talked a lot about it. And i do just want to briefly mention it because we had said we would follow up on when and if it happened and this is of course abandoned which i don't spend a ton of time on a because it is still an ongoing thing but the abandoned time experience at finally launched the end of last week after we recorded after a few days delay. It launched with a single about five second video which was a video blue-box had put on twitter earlier. Obviously the reaction from myself included was not that positive about the rollout of all of that and especially the continued sort of stroll out of all of this We do have a new interview with the head of blue-box hassan koeman forgiving. If i'm buttering your last name at all The discussing The rollout of abandoned recently. And especially just rebels from her news. Teams spoke to hassan primarily about the disappointment that they've been facing excuse me from people and sort of the the Alleging of a history and a pattern of games that haven't come out and the worry from people that abandoned is just going to be another one of those and sort of addressing the back and forth of all of that studio's been facing Lucy obviously i know we've talked a lot about it. Because i'm i'm in the middle of writing and op ed about all of it. It's something that we're going to continue to cover on an. I tweeted this nice still say i'm not particularly interested in covering it that much more show until the game comes out and we see the game but i just wanted to kind of briefly. Throw to you if you if you had any sort of thoughts about the the tangled web that has been this abandoned unraveling. It's not not. I'm sure you talked about it a lot on the show last week. So i'm not sure. If i've got anything else to add but i have seen some sentiment that is is like our dame is love conspiracy theory and in this instance the conspiracy theories differently were quite overwhelming for a small team and i feel like they had a lot of unfair pressure put on them and i will slaughter on the other hand feel like they didn't make the right moves in. What is the deal with that pressure. sounds like victim blaming but like obviously the the tweets Did not help 'cause sore. It's a it's a really confusing Kind of sad bemusing situation. Obviously it's been really hot on that team. So i i feel i feel bad but i in the same boat as you don't like i don't have that much Mitchell bandits lift for it it. It's kind of just a just sort of trailed off really sadly this is the whole thing is kind of sad yar like at the beginning of is sort of like ooh this is. This is intriguing that so many people think that this is this big conspiracy and maybe it is. And what how the team reacting to it and it was kind of voyeuristic in that way. Now i'm just like a this is just. This is like an old lady editor at a at a nightclub on twelfth glass of wine. I i just. I don't wanna look anymore. I really wondered where that metaphor was going. I felt like there could have been so many possibilities. And i get it now but yeah. It's it's a strange case. And as you said like i the tweets that they were putting out didn't help their cause at all. It is a bit of a there. There's issues going on all all facets of it. It's a i think they just need a marketing person. To be honest. I think they just need to hire someone who knows marketing. Because that seems to be the issue number one here but suffices as i said like until there's actually a game to see or game to play if if that app does have a demo of some kind maybe we'll check in on it but as for now i don't really think we'll be touching on abandoned too much until there's actually a game to discuss And we said speak to abbott speaking. Before we wrap up eliza just wanna know. obviously i know are away for a long time. And you weren't by your precious playstation council back home but is there anything that you've been playing recently that you want to speak to either. Yeah yeah i mean i I was playing. I was played on switch. But it is available on on a playstation four as while i played some dragon quest echoes of elusive age When i was in managed isolation. And i tell you what if you were if a In a situation we all have been in the last couple of years. So i know you get this. Everyone was saying but if you're ever in a situation where things it's like really kind of boring and miserable and like you've just go out. I mean if you're look down for example shout out to everyone in new zealand right now. I know it's i know it's tough But that game is just such a like at tonic. It is such a confiscating op. Pj it like Jared petty actually recommended the aegean alum jared petty average avows and and he recommended it. He said it's like job. He g the gop pg and it really is like. It's a couple of years old so i know that probably the great deal people have played it already but it is it is just so perfectly comforting and it's it's it's every hits every kind of like comforting soul food bait you wanted to j. Pj and it's it's really big and it's you know there's so much to win it. It's it's really encompassing. And it was exactly. What i need is played always alison hours of this thing when i was stuck in that in that tiny room with a fresh sr. I really recommend it especially for those. Listeners are still currently lockdown This is a really really really good game to play what you don't have to. It's not emotionally taxing. It's not too difficult. It's a it's kind of just right. So that's what i play. I am. I've never played the dragon quest series. I assume it's like final fantasy. You don't need to have played the history of them to jump in. Oh and then. And i can just jump in and it's all it's all very familiar if you've played any g. j. Pg before it is it you'll you'll feel right arm. Sure i just thought there was an equipped little bunny suit on on the screen on the john about his jr. Pg yet they right yeah it. I've only heard amazing things about this like it. It feels like the one where people are like. Okay if you've never been a dragon quest person like this is the one to jump into especially the the addition that you're playing this sort of directors cut edition if you will right was is the definitive way to play it. I think it'd be beat on. Switchmen is everywhere else. Including ps four in it. It's like one hundred plus our incredible rpg. I feel like i need to make the time for this one. I think you'll really enjoy it. It's very very accessible. And that is something. Yeah they think he Yet bring that up because again. I haven't played enquist for for a long time and it was so easy for me. Jump right in. It's it's very familiar. Is this also. Forgive me if you didn't talk to this at all is the one that also is fully in like a sixteen bit version as well that you can swap can switch between the two. Yeah which is just wild of fifth and it is. It's amazing it's amazing. But yeah it's one of those. I the only dragon quest games in my life i've ever played was. I don't know if you've ever touched them. But there were. I want to say it was on gabler advancer. Ds the were essentially like pokemon. Ask dragon quest games called like dragon quest joker or something like that. Yeah i remember i. I never played them. Because what. I liked dragon chris. It was exactly what i just described was the blake the classic j. p. g. experience. But i do. Yeah i do know totally different. Yeah i figure that was the case. But i'm excited to eventually. I keep telling myself. Yeah definitely gonna get that backlog and then like ten things come out and i don't know where to spend my time especially with the one hundred plus allies too. It's a difficult to the thing to yourself to but it's also one of those games that he really playing the background jump right in and it's very easy to write in even if you've lifted for a few months totally i mean. I am a person who is committed to a second playthrough of persona based on a week by week playthrough podcasts. Right i'm no stranger to committing two hundred our rpg's but i need to make content out of it. Otherwise what's the point you know. What else is life if not content off statement. Yeah well anyway to get away from the depressing nature. I did just want to mention. I can continuing to play eighties. This is just my weekly reminder to play haiti's phenomenal. I beat eighties for my first time. On playstation i'm now three defeats in of his On my position and that game just continues to be phenomenal. And i'm really enjoying playing it on playstation because i do think it's ideal for is being able to just have it hand held on the go like it's incredible to play that way but there can be a lot of effects in any given room based on like how many boons you've acquired from the different gods and how many powers you have at one time and the switch definitely did not like that The frame rate would slow down to a crawl sometimes My my switch would get very warm uncomfortably so and this is just like it runs so smoothly it looks great. It's still the phenomenal. Like based game there's content but it's still such a reminder of how great a developer supergiant is and i don't know if it's still the case but all their pass game were recently on sale on playstation. If you haven't played those go check out bastion transistor and pyre. They're all phenomenal games in their own right And this team is just so great. I i will follow them into whatever project they do next but hades is just is is one of my favorite games. In the last few years so play. Haiti's i also just briefly dimension jumped into a vendor's again to play the war for conned expansion. That came out this week. 'cause it was kind of the like the thing everyone's been waiting for vendors to do And i'm only a little bit in. I don't think it completely like revitalizes or changes the game. It's still the game but it plays really well. The work they did to make real wauconda its own. Location and feel distinct is really well done The artistry there. They really really tried to create their own vision of what the will content sort of utopia of technology would look like for them Just and everything down to like the way doors. Open the the way. They're architecture's different. It's a really nice change of pace from the like three cities and a snowy mountain you play in in the base of interest game. It's a it's a really cool expansion and christopher judge who plays a crate of course credits is black panther and he does a really really great black panther. It took a minute to like. Oh yeah. That's christopher johns like you can hear it. But he's slightly. It's funny combination because his voice is so deep and so resonant but he slightly pitched it up a little bit here but they're still that deep residents And so it's a really great portrayal so far of the character in. I'm sure it is not an easy character. Shoes to step into obviously given everything around chadwick presidents passing in all. He's doing a phenomenal job. So far in it feels like a really great expansion. I don't think if you got bored of vendors. Core like luke grind. It's probably not gonna change your mind but in terms of like a cool black panther story it seems really good so far and it's one of those things that me go man. I wish they had just let crystal make six different single player games. 'cause which is kind of what we all thought even when we've got those details I did when we first heard about that. Grand vision for it was just like this is too much trying to do too too much. And i feel like that ultimately has been the case would have been great to have had. It rolled out that way. But i'm pleased that this expansion is is good. Yeah it it's definitely like well made in call you know. I hope that like guarding the galaxy turns out really. Well ido sidon and it shows that they can do. A single player focused narrative only reading the same thing as jet. I fallen order no micro transaction single player on blade. No we're not going to trick you with anything. I hope on the square side. They can do that networks while but it's yeah it's one of those strange things were i just. I wish it were a different game. But it isn't and so. I'm trying to appreciate. What is there in. What's good because there is a lot of really good stuff there buried beneath a loop grind. I don't care about anyway Playing that and then a lot of stuff that. I can't talk right now. But we'll be able to next week in the weeks after and somehow the fall rush of games already started which is crazy to say mid august but here we are lucy before we wrap up. Is there anything that you wanted to plug. Otherwise that We've been working on the feature side it. Well obviously other level please please please out of the level Already spoke about it. Very proud of that We have a great piece. Coming up. This friday by rib valentine on us team. She spoke to a whole bunch of develop his About the seemingly simple things video games like opening a door that are actually a total nightmare to implement an and why like it. It's so long and i. I was going through it as copy editing. And i was like i don't want to cut any of this because every single example is sort fascinating and of course. It's like really important. I think insight into the challenges of of development. We take so much of this stuff granted and it's really really hard. I mean it's it's developing video games. The nigh-on impossible little or no appendix. Please check that out because it is. It is really fascinating. That'll be going live. Friday not entirely sure what type but yet. Check it out when it goes live. Yeah that piece was really really cool. I did a draft read of it before you while you were out for a couple of weeks and i had that same reaction rebels. I i feel like. I should cut some of this down before. Lucy takes a look. Because i don't want it to just be this eighteen page document. And i was like here are some suggestions for what to cut but yeah like as you said it so many fascinating little details and as you said give such an insight into how every little thing literally even to like does a button press work correctly a herculean task. There were i think. Without spoiling it one of my favorite ones was related to thinking about what to do with water as a concept and a video game and just like it's not water in real life. So how'd you recreate the idea of water in video game is it's also fascinating a yeah. It's a great. I'm excited to see the final thing. Go live it should be a really great piece for everyone to check out But yeah i think other than that As we mentioned please go check out of the level. If you like it also please share it. We as lucy said we wanna keep making more of those It's such a fun piece to be able to make and we hope we can deliver more. Someone's like that to you in the future and end of last week just since they're not here. I'm max had a things you didn't know about aliens game piece. Go up on nigerian games on youtube. Go check it out. It's a really really fascinating Deep dive into aliens game history. That even if you're not a big alias fan. There's so many interesting tidbits about the history. There that i had no clue whatsoever about. It's it's a really great read and watch because you can only watch it. I read it but you can watch us so go check that out. I don't know what words are anymore. Lucy we're at the end of the episode. I fall apart is naturally But anyway that's going to pretty much wraps up for this week's episode podcast beyond you can find lucy and be on twitter. I'm jay bush lucy's at loose o'brien. You can find us definitely talking about the ghost of Level but also a whole bunch of things like the white lotus. We'll probably guy. I was gonna make a joke at the top of the show that we were just gonna do a white loaded spoiler cast today and i forgot so i'm saying it here now exactly about that short forever so you can find is talking about various things on twitter and of course you can find all the great work From the wider team on a and this show every week wednesday's at three pm pacific normally Barring any random state play that might happen. We hope every week but you know not this week But other than that. That's going to wrap us up for this week's episode of podcast beyond so thank you lucy. So much for joining me. This accepts Gray tabby back. It's great to be back and thank you to our producer for making this week's episode happen and thank you to everyone out there for listening and watching. We hope you're safe. We hope you're well and as always beyond beyond.

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Abandoned: The Strange Saga of the PS5 Horror Game (Plus Cris Tales Interview) - Beyond Episode 714

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Abandoned: The Strange Saga of the PS5 Horror Game (Plus Cris Tales Interview) - Beyond Episode 714

"And hello everyone. My name is jonathan dornbush and this podcast beyond episode seven hundred and fourteen. And i am very angry this morning but i'll get to that in a second. I'm joined this morning by brian. Altana it. I do it now. You didn't do it now. It's not your fault. But i'm also doing by mexico village. Not his fault either one of those people if when you're extremely angry i can't tell which makes me just so scared that you're constantly serve upset you guys. I'm upset because i had a ton of couch funds prepared for this show because there was a possibility i was going to have a couch delivered while we were filming. This episode and i was so prepared. Had like a dozen puns ready to go and then this couch showed up like two hours before the episode. There is and it's it's just here dog. Your dog loves it. That's yeah he's he's snoozing he he's for more cameos. I guess But yeah so. I lost all that pump potential and so now we just have to talk about police station. I'm sorry that's we have to do on this playstation But we do have a lot to talk about this week including and let's begin with i think as always the continued saga of abandoned aka. The thing everyone hopes is metal gear solid or silent. Hiller kajima Those who weren't paying attention this week after the delay a couple weeks ago of the abandoned real time experience app which is available has five The the first update to it which was supposed to have a teaser. Sort of real time trailer in it. Were not exactly clear what it was supposed to be was supposed to appear as of recording yesterday at noon pacific. It was supposed to show up in the app. We're supposed to have access to it and be able to see what this game actually was. And then it got delayed Right around about twenty minutes after the app was supposed to launch with trailer blue box studios the company behind whatever abandoned is tweeted out about how there were problems with the update and they would get people as quickly as possible. They were working on it. There was an update later. In the evening yesterday it was not updated by then and there was an update earlier today Just read it on about six hours ago as a recording the delays taking longer than expected which is kind of what a delay is some. We are fully from art delays. Right on time me. Thank you for the patients and we apologize for this. This is the third tweet sort of chain from blue-box about this continued delay. As of right now it's not a available again. Given the way the show works it probably will be available after we recorded in before the show post it to cut to clarify. This is not the game this app to access the trailer. Guess though it is the the way that the developers have explained it. Is they want to prove that. The game is as high quality as they are promising and rather than just making a pre made trailer available. They've said they will also put the trailer on youtube at the same time with company app. they want you to be able to see it running in real time on the us fi even though it will just be a a trailer as far as we can tell that just kind of running in the. I also don't. Oh i the the trailer can't be on youtube at this point. This is of course for for those who don't remember. We talked about abandon a few weeks ago. When the The the breadcrumbs and conspiracy theories on the charlie dame come to life that is what is abandoned sort of took over the internet for a little bit around e-3 and this is the game that i think. So many people really really hope is kajima pulling another moby. Dick studios is konami trying to pull a kajima and take a silent hill game. I don't know about you guys. But i like. I've always stuck by the belief that this is not any of those things in his just an in-depth and in over their head. I feel like this. Roll out more than anything kind of that. This is just not equipped for the amount of probably exposure. This game has and as having to scramble. I there's a there's like a a very specific tipping point that i think it happens with kind of hype levels Before something gets announced. And i think the team is now pushed past that russia having having like that announcement setup for yesterday and then saying it was delayed and then just going radio silent is bad but also like i think there's a little bit of responsibility here on playstation side. I mean she was tweeting about this yesterday and like that. That dude is high enough high shoe. If you're listening big fan love you but you're high enough in the company that like you know either you know something or you should know something or like you shouldn't be in the same place for the rest of us are where you're kind of guessing on what's next year. Look there's this surprises should be sort of Minimalized on your side It's also like with the certification process of getting something published on the playstation store. I didn't know it was something. You kinda like. Just jerk around like this like this feels like what. The app store does on on iphone. Where they're just like oops You know there's there's a new game out in skyros here. Something of getting a release date like this is. This is how video games launched in the eighty s were. They just appeared in some stores. Some days i feel like a lot of goodwill has been burned out here by the studio. I feel like they are in over their head. And i feel like it's it's like it's it's crappy to the fans not because they've kind of gone wild with conspiracy theories to to a certain point i don't i don't blame them for that. They've been fed the breadcrumbs. I'm you know sympathetic. To the limitations of the technical size of an independent studio and sympathetic to everything. That's going on with the with the world and why that code and will and has delayed several things but at some point you have to go like put up her shut up like show us which you would you on here like if i'm i'm cooking dinner and it's taking too long and are screwed up. I order pizza. I don't just like how my family to go to bed hungry. you know. throw everything out like at some point. You got put some food on the table here so i hope they do that soon. i fear for the backlash. It's going to happen if it's not anywhere near what people are expecting. It's a and what they frankly kind of lead people to believe it might be yes in the sense of getting. Is this like it's a. it's a trailer app. Meaning that it's it's just it's not. It's not a demo right. It's not like a gay. it's not playable. it's not going to be a playable teaser. If you why not have been why like why it seems like completely just i get that they wanna show off that. Yes is actually running on playstation five hardware but like having a little thing at the bottom of the screen and having your video up on the playstation official youtube channel. I feel like covers that for the most part. Yeah i am in. I would just as soon a hold off and wait until they have a demo. I don't i don't know. I don't want to download the app to watch video. That's it just seems like it's like a completely arbitrary way of showing off identities. The yes i don't know hassan. The the the front person essentially for the studio who many people have assumed as the hired actor to kajima frontman. I just actually a developer has said the reason they created this was because a as an indie studio their their budget for marketing is very limited. They thought something like this would bring more attention and show the fidelity of the game and like granted. It's really bringing attention Obviously i think a lot. More people are paying attention to this because of the kind of roll out of all of this but also because you're saying like the very mixed messaging that has led to the conspiracy theories and things and it's something that like i i think you know i. It's it's a little hard to separate for me because we often talk a lot about having a lot of sympathy for the developers who were put under enormous pressure for things but this is also a game where they've been marketing it and stumbling at every point the point that for me it feels intentional to lead you on like there was the most recent keyser image before the trailer sort of ease was you know yet ready for abandoned on july twenty seven with a blurred image of a guy with an they know people think this is kajima economic involved. I know they've put out tweets that say they are not kinami and i believe that but they know the vast majority of attention is as people think it's that and to do that. Just exxon those conspiracy theories and again ranted man. That really brings people attention to your game. Like you've are definitely paying attention. But i got to imagine it's going to earn people when the game gets revealed the end. I believe we may very well still be proven wrong. But i believe it is not kajima. Yeah no i'm with you i. I've been thinking about a lot when i was a kid. I went with my family to washington square park in new york city. And there was this dude doing street magic there and at the beginning of it he got like a whole crowd of people around and he was like at the end of this show. I'm gonna climb through my hat. Nobody's ever done anything like this before. But if you all pay me. I'm going to do the trick at the very end. And so he did all these like kinda low levels magic tricks not even like david blaine stuffers levitating just like card tricks and coin from the ear like uncles do and at the very end He had like this chug antic hatful of money. And he's like you all. I mean to climb through this right now right but Yeah well we're gonna have to do that another time. And then he left with a full of money and everybody. I've just i remember being like hid being twenty five. People just got ripped off in the middle of the park. We got tricked socks and he left. And i was like that. It's sort of like this. Is evoking similar feelings. Obviously we haven't paid for this but we are investing time and sort of like our our brain power in debating and discussing Who do we blame the fans. Hyping this we blame the devs for hyping this. We blame kajima blame. Sony like it's just a whole it's a whole big thing that hasn't really lead to anything yet. And it just hide. Feels like we're getting hoodwinked right here. I i have to just keep reminding myself that there. You know there has to be a better way to drum up attention for your project. Like i understand that. It's a competitive market out there and it's it's cutthroat in. It's a hundred games released every second at this point with got to be a better unless nefarious unless sort of misleading. Way to drum up support and attention for your for your new game like i just gotta be like this. Just doesn't feel right so far. Yeah yeah just. It's it strikes me. As like i mean we're i feel like we're good at being professionally disappointed and frustrated by things and i think a lot of people the audience or you know the people who are expecting this to be silent hill game where people who have like you know taken. Those hints in those teases in those Did these people have pr. Because they have a pr person. Who's in charge of of their if they don't have enough money for marketing in the conventional sense and they're doing a label he's our app or whatever but like i feel like this. Just this is going to be a disaster map Yeah i think people are gonna get angry boy who cried wolf stuff like and it's it's yeah. I think it would almost be. I don't know. Is it preferable the have a you know a game. That's that's received quietly or you know quieter than you might like. But maybe operative or a game that's received with outrage and disappointment on a grander scale like what it seems like kind of a gamble and yet again. We're we're talking about david. Nothing it's this trailer we've seen so far. The minute is a bunch of shots of trees just trees in the win. It looks gorgeous but it's also like that's i mean that's like tech demo stuff we've seen we've seen that and get that they want to show something off that's like oh here's what the gameplay looks like in action on your ps five. And that's that's great too. But like i just i don't don't yeah. Yeah i mean it's and again we are incredibly simple sympathetic to to the way the world has impacted aimed. Have if you look this fall. It is unrecognizable release wise from what we anticipated even two months ago. Right like so. Much stuff is shifted. i feel like if and what we've seen with a lot of studios is they put out like an image twitter and they go. Hey like you know. Given the safety of our company and our employees and the wellbeing of everybody. We've made the hard decision to move our game to hugh won twenty twenty two and if you read the responses outside of a couple of garbage boys. Most of the people are overwhelmingly sympathetic to that. I think all of us are kind of like. Take your time do your thing. We all have the news. We know what's going on out there like do you think this is. This doesn't feel like that's what's happening here. It feels like they're just kind of dragging this thing along and you know misleading the audience. And maybe we'll publish on this episode and be totally proven wrong and it would be amazing and we can all reflect on this frustrating time. The having this conversation if they hadn't teased the trailer so hard. Yeah like we see this occasionally with like with movies where they put up a teaser for the trailer. And it's like tune in thursday for the official world premiere trailer. They show ten seconds and then they slap those ten seconds on the front of the trailer. And it's like you start trails. You don't need to do that. But like i winced. When's the last time you remember hearing about a game trailer. Getting delayed it just it. Doesn't it doesn't happen. You know when you have you have demos that there was a final fantasy game. That had like a demo. Go up and it was like really were screwed up at first. Didn't work like that's understandable because it software but it was up there but they also didn't tease that weeks and weeks in advance. you know they. They weren't like alright so mark. Your calendars everybody. Here's one it goes live. It's kind of like all right. Check it out. it's out now know. There's there's a user on a are slash the blue blocks blue-box conspiracy pillbox. Is the company making. This game. Called tic tac. Paul shot at the He put together. This thing called a blue box game studios timeline which is basically like a tr of all the times. They like attempted to do playboy teas or stuff. Like discipline Here's the times that they had sort of kick starters a failed or disappeared. Here's their history of unfinished stuff and again making video games is very very hard. Incredibly sympathetic to that with this This does feel like like this. There isn't really necessary like the biggest history behind us now. Granted there are studios that have had a bunch of bad aims that have gone on to rake games. That happens all the time. But it's it's not it's not adding necessarily like a amount of optimism on of this situation already to kind of see their fans have the time to put this kind of stuff together and go or not missouri advantage. Just people kind of watching. What's happening here at ango eight. Maybe this is. Maybe these guys have been doing this sort of sight of hand stuff for a lot longer than and we think. Yeah it's it's just been as as he said that it's pattern. That feels like extends beyond the times that we've just had this game teased in it's a it's just frustrating. Because it's like i just would like to know what the game looks like so we can all move on from this and it either as cool or it's not and i think like something bad i kept trying to put into a tweet like figure out the right words was sort of like there are just so many games being released and having trailers that are that are out there and that are worth a lot of time and looking into investment in. It's frustrating that this feels like it's sucking so much of around the room. I mean we're talking about it for fifteen minutes. It is one of those things that it's just like. I am very looking forward to the day where we just kind of. Get the trailer and i wish it was just as easy as putting a trailer on youtube for the meantime. It seems like we're going to be continued to be strong by whatever screen shots what blake put up concept art. Like put up some the show. Something like i understand that. This dude like hassan. It's great to humanize your studio and show that off. But like i just being these these constant like hey sorry running but little bit late like what's that thing words if you think you're running ten minutes late say you're running half an hour late and then you'll show up early like you want you want twenty bucks for fifty and maybe maybe you'll get lucky you know like it's just i don't know it into weird case to me and obviously once we find out whatever this game is will will definitely mentioned on on a this show but i know that especially a lot of the audience and a lot of people were awaiting this as much as i saw a lot of comparisons to connie dropping donde very much feels like we're in a situation like that i think kind of funny had jokingly tweeted like what if donde drops via the feels up. Were there a lot of people. Were saying that you can't you can't spell Donde without abandoned singer thing is great. Yeah i mean he's not to give you the benefit of the doubt but he at least i'm moving into my second studio album is that dude is outdated here. Yeah exactly you have heard that album but yeah it's a. It's a strange case to be to sort of go back to. I was saying about like there are games to focus on. I do want to highlight a few indies. That playstation recently highlighted while sort of shift away from abandoned There was a s lazy tends to do every few months feels like this is their version of india road showcase which we just got nintendo this week. I do wanna talk about at expo. Got a sort of a series of blog posts highlighting eighties which is out this week. Playstation as well as announcements or carrion. Which has been available on xbox impasse a short hike which i believe has been on c. in switch on seoul christo which comes from platinum games and as a revival of a schmuck franchise from long ago. Which would which is looking into game and oxygen free to which is of course oxfam free. Our which is now set to playstation and other consoles in twenty two We got a series of blog posts about all these games I personally am super excited about all of these. I haven't made a carrying yet. The have excess. Yeah i i think i platinum net game. I love that game so much. It's you could probably finish it in three to five hours so if if it looks if there's a long sale or something grab it there It's also on game as we mentioned before but yet play it. If you only have a playstation and you love metro advantages these. Play that game It's a little bit of metro casavant little john carpenter's the thing you're is a giant sort of blood tentacle beasts that increasingly gets bigger and bigger. It's more and more powers And you sort of eviscerate scientists out of a lab and try to for yourself. It's so much fun. It's so cool. It has some of the sort of most unique tutti platforming player movement that i've ever experienced in a game. The bigger you get the more sort of menacing an interesting it becomes to navigate these environments cling to ceilings hurl dudes around And it's super violent but in a fun cartoony way. I think if you if you like this genre at all and you want you want to feel accomplished in just crushed you a game in a couple hours lease play carrying. Because it's it's like a reverse metro-wide vania where you're you know your blob and you're getting new power ups and stuff but all of the all the guys you're murdering they're also gradually getting more gear in the sense that like normally video games like you get you get this. You get the flame thrower early. Learn how to do this. It's like you just killing those guys. You're just eating them. Great time it looks like a really fun. I'm excited for that to hit later this year. They didn't give him exactly state but hopefully sometime in the fall. Short height is a useful. Any that i've heard amazing things of it. It's apparently also like a two hour game to experience. I've seen a compared to like basically a mini open world adventure game with some animal cross. Dna in there It looks really really cool. But i have really wanna play that one. Yes looks nice. Yeah i mean you can you. Can you blame me. I my mental image for. This was a dare. i say it walking simulator. but it's like you're. You're a little like your little penguin or a little bird. You walk around seems great. You're going to. You've got to drive a boat. There's apparently some fun mini games in there. Looks really cool. I'm excited that that one's coming this fall as well. Uh soul crest is platinum games reviving a space shooter series from ernie six years ago And wrote a comment wrote a post on the playstation blog about the making of it. I'm not a huge schmuck person. But i think it's really funny and interesting to read this. Because he talks about how he loved a moon kresta and tara christo which were the original games. And how this was something that you love the series and was thinking about how to re you know. Bring it into the future and briggs of the ideas forward but they didn't own the rights to this game and so he had to go pitch the company and they knew the people there but he was extremely nervous out. He was worried that they weren't going to give them the rights they were. They were gonna like laugh. It's a really interesting story that he tells them that. I definitely recommend you read it I i've enjoyed schmucks in time. It's just not something. I played time recently but it seems like i definitely check out. Platinum has agreed tracker. Actually really i really like schnapps but there's like a bizarre tipping point with me where like this sounds like kind of weird but like when when the bullet hell gets to bullet hellish i kind of about when it's like that thing where you're just like you're fidgeting tiny little player movements in between like these just absolute just rainshowers of bullets. I really love stuff. Like radius and Life forces like one of my favorite games of all time aka salamander And i get schnapps here and there is really great too even though it's hard as hell This one looks really cool. Also i suggest if you're one of those weirdos like me that has one of those like a rotating ec monitors up your ps five to that and by schmaltz like that as its last to play Basically in hate motor totta whatever they call it Playing some like a giant vertical screen is super super fund. That's a really good call just to kind of keep going through these Which would is sort of like a very beautiful looking picture. Book ask adventure game out with a very heavy focus on crafting and brewing oceans and things of that. hr spells in what. It looks really cool. I i'd never heard of this game for an kind of why i love east sort of relaxes. You get to hear a little bit of a games like this other also or i forgot to mention at the top of axiom verge to was in this rollout and as we learn from the inner world showcase without today on Apparently it is essentially like to ames in one I was reading our view of it. From i believe it was tristan. I and basically there are two different worlds that you can jump at Defiant early interesting and then oxygen free to is delayed till next year but is coming to a decision for him as five i to see that one coming as well but i want to talk about this and just kind of get your guys thoughts because with really interesting to see this rollout a blog post and i think a lot of really cool games you know. This is not something. They've it's on a brand new thing. They've done this before. But especially in light of the recent conversation that we had on the show and a lot of people have like stations focus on india's and the commitment to indies versus. Something like we have the xbox indie showcase yesterday or yesterday as a recording and era showcased today from nintendo. We feel like playstation should adopt a mama more like that like should they start dipping into state of plays. That are all indie focused. We feel like he's Noth- like what. What do we think. And i think i think adhering from them is never a bad thing right. It's always good especially this year where it feels like communications a little slim. We talked about in the past like sort of looming together. A bunch of these data players and they would have made a sort of bigger shape press conference. But i'm totally down for this like what's awesome about. This is a gives a sort of a vessel to highlight a bunch of stuff that maybe people might on and be sets the expectations. Really well like it's i. I think when they when they take a couple of india's and they connect them to something bigger. Like goes ma or horizon or something like that. I think that's cool because it's sort of like when they show like a you know a short film before like pixar movie or something like that like. Oh that's cool. I might not have seen that on. Its own But i think we're all here. Were all present. I if they just came out and said hey we're going to do a little indie to play. I'd be like rate i'm in. Let's watch every second of that Rather than sort of being you know kind of like a a little order before like a big big meal. I'm hungry today. The i haven't eaten today either. But max what do you think about their their yorker brian. I think Saying anything would be great. You know we spent the first twenty minutes of the show talking about an app getting delayed like i feel like maybe sony should be a little louder like a blog. Post is great. If it's two thousand into like. I don't know maybe put video of your video games up and i get that. Maybe if they're if they're sandwiched between xbox having any showcase nintendo having it indie showcase or whatever they call it like. Maybe there's maybe there's some weird deals with you have to be like oh like real it on nintendo switch thing but not say that it's coming out there things sony sort of piggybacks on that by being like it's also coming are thing which we see all the time with like you know when a game gets revealed on you know during a whatever platforms three showcase and then it has to basically sort of have a little addendum in the press release being. It's also coming to other platforms. We just exclusively revealed it over there. You know like. But i know i think saudi they. They're one of the big platforms. They can actually scuba indies. And be like. Hey you never seen this before. Here it is. Here's a reveal right here. Check it out like it just seems really odd that like a blog. Post is great but like that's i mean if somebody keeping the lights on then that's like if you you know you have one of those little timers that turns on your kitchen light at five. Pm every day so burglars don't break in like a show so some more signs of life plays. I think something. Like a showcase. And i think there's definitely middle ground like The xbox indie showcase that happened this week was a little shorter but the first one of these didn't in recent memory was like four hours long. And that's just too and then conversely there's the india royal showcases which were like eighteen minutes early indies. That are coming out. We'll see you later like there might be a middle ground. There's a happy medium between a blog. Post that is written on site that people maybe don't even know about and a four hour live production. Just split the difference. There's definitely a middle ground that i think playstation could be heading. I think you're totally right of like. If they did a state of play india's it also becomes an appointment at people then go to and it is something or more inclined to go check out and they put up four or five blocks. Maybe i'll go check out even to max what you were saying Someone tweeted out yesterday. Because i tweeted out the all world trailer that had tweeted and i don't want to put this personal spots in. But they were like. Do you think this was supposed to be in a state of play because it seems weird that they were just us. This is like well no it was in both of your saying it was at the the xbox show. They just aren't going to say that on the playstation but it is weird to see that trailer just out of the blue on the playstation as brand new spotlight for a really cool upcoming indie. That's going to be on playstation and if they you know these are really great and a lot of really cool information like i said the the sole kind of story is not something that i think. You'd want to spend five minutes on a in a indi road. Showcase style video about new blog post is a great supplement. But i think having a montage show that brings all that stuff together. We're kinda just pointing. I think we can all use a little more stuff to look forward to and having like a regular ties thing. I've been saying this for ages. It'd be really cool. If we just like the first thursday of every month we get a new playstation thing. We got a little reveal and maybe they show off the last of us part three or maybe they show a bunch of india's that already came out on pc like it doesn't it doesn't matter to have something you know. I think you could like nintendo director. Are there sort of sort of unscheduled like they're they're sort of irregular too. you know. they're not like the exactly the same date. I think they do. Well like one. Every quarter abouts us. Yeah days in the good day was there was a stretch that recently. We had the longest stretch between nintendo directs in history. Yes i forgot how long it was but it was. It was like we had never been that far before any like i was inside. Xbox tried experimenting with that for a while. And i feel like their format was bad. It was just like people sitting around in lawnchairs Again away a little too long. The inside xboxes could go like two two and a half hour sometimes and they were. They were often live so there were hiccups there and things like that. Yeah i agree. There's definitely a middle ground. I think but max speaking to your point of irregularity. The thing that is regular on tender side is even the stretches between directs indie royal showcases our yearly. They do them right before or around. Gd and normally right before around pax prime which is kind of what this would be your. You know going to pax prime but it's one of those things where one of my favorite things is. People are like all i hear. There's going to be an indie showcase in a couple of weeks. Of course it's a right. You're the past four years but if they did that that would be great like there are indies hitting playstation every week and and as you said if there was a monthly check in. Here's the state of indies yet. Next week's netflix does netflix youtube channel. And they put up like every week. It's a quits coming to netflix this week. It's very frustrating. Because we do one. That was monthly and we try to keep up but they know their secrets because it's their platform but like i don't know like sony the drop like every week it'd be like here's what's coming out this week and it was like it was super handy but now we just get these sort of sporadic blog posts. That occasionally are like. It's here's a cross post from the head of epa games talking about something or other like it's seems grossly out it. It's it's a weird. What is that blog. I think. I think that's a good solution. You just pitch their right like like if once a month on twin youtube and they're they're social media platforms. It is go. Hey here are the playstation games coming is five and bs for this month yes. Vr kit get like an intern. And adobe premiere subscription and let them cut together a bunch of trailers that maybe are already out there and just you know put like a now coming up going later. This fall look forward to this. See you next time like just the robot up knicks. There's going to be a big squirrel. Who are you ready to lower the next game. Jam packed with comedy again. I think keeps coming back to this and we have to constantly. i think. Sorta grounded in this In twenty twenty one sequel the twenty twenty in ways that we didn't imagine and hope we were probably be in a different movie by now but here we are again In the same way the hangover to is the same exact ought of the first one. Here we are again I feel like i'm an idiot. They literally did exactly the thing. I was saying that. It was six days ago playstation indie spotlight august fifth. They put a video up one minute long and it just has a clip of all the trailers and it just says that they did it after this series of blog posts. But yeah i. I know you mean like doing something a little bit more fully each or does a pack. But what do. I think that a lot of people went into this year with big plans. Sony obviously was like. We're not going to do three. But we will have some stuff here and there and then you know things State is difficult as they've been for eighteen months now and again. I'm sympathetic so like i do think they're going to have a big showcase thing eventually but also like this like we said before the fall just looks different right now than it. Did you know who've been really Almost it ever has right like this. Feels like there's gonna be some big stuff obviously but this feels like a pretty some fall like at horizon is is not part of this anymore. Got or is not part of the. It's we know. Alleged horizon wasn't officially delayed right. They still haven't said anything official and like clockwork and brian actually did wanna bring this up because i. I know it's something that you guys have had to deal with. Unintended voice chat for years were we. There was another one of those. Of course like all. I hear is playstation showcase coming up in a week and there was no announced at a right but those now happen i feel like as often as intended to rack rumored to be revealed next Things were happening for a little bit there. I feel like this playstation silence bubble in and granted. We know there's big stuff coming up. It's that lack of monster. Also like we're two weeks away from games come and there's inevitably hopefully going to be some stuff there. I mean even if it's not you know sony proper like i'm sure they'll be a bunch of dumping stuff but again like this fall feels weird like it feels. I mean last year. I think it was kind of a pretty excusable. It was definitely a strange situation because we had next gen hardware launching. But you know things were kind of delayed slash radio silence slash. I completely disrupted and you know twenty twenty one sadly not our first rodeo and it seems it seems especially slim for the first year that we do have new consoles. you know. usually it's like the first you know launch stuff is always kind of either sparse or so or just kind of like a weird mixed bag but like you know once. There's there's been like a proper time to sort of you know. People do attached to the consoles Up it's usually the you know the second and third years where things start really pick up and it's like we're going into this one and there's a few you know there's there's a few games i guess but it's also don't know it feels it feels semi and i wonder if there's if we just got attack on an extra six months to account for all of the stuff that got after by the by the pandemic and we're just gonna see like a really really huge like a spring and summer next year. What yeah yeah. I mean it is. I've been doing this for a long time right. I'm an old man as you can tell from my head and my face but fight. I worked in antenna voice chat when we were covering the we you right. This is not that we're not there now. this is this. This show is specifically covers the fastest selling video game console of all time. It is not even making it to shelves. Because they're selling every single one they print and every one of their studios underneath sony's guys right now is is currently working on what i imagine will be some of the most incredible video games ever made like i really think that like stuff like horizon gotta war and it would ever insomniac. Does next like these are going to be amazing. Amazing video games. They're just not there yet and there were just not there yet. This is not one of those times. We were just like fighting for scraps like we're going to get there and when we get there it's going to be fantastic and the install base is going to be huge and people will be excited. But it's definitely taking a little bit longer than i think. A lot of this expected to charge up at gigantic laser cannon and start firing on all cylinders like right. Now we're just kind of like you know the biggest games as your or like a you know. Some new content is coming Sushi amazing can't wait my favorite game last year. New stuff is coming to stranding rate for people who love that game. That's all. I'll say about that but this this this is this is not exactly like gigantic. Anyway just got rushing. This is not a gigantic gigantic. Sort of aaa exclusive brand new video game year for sony just yet and i think we'll get there It's only gonna get bigger and better from here but for now you know we are. Yeah i think the thing with playstation and something that i think i'm definitely guilty of forgetting when we talk about the silence. You know at the moment what's to come. All they had a extremely busy fall last year with launch. Like got you know five or six either. I party or first party. Published games with the launch on both pius for psi like there was a ton of stuff that was across japan. And that's just not normally sony's ammo like they very rarely a lot into their all released calendars often. Because there's so much else coming out that they don't really need to worry about that sector. Got war last of us ghost Horizon days gone so many of the biggest games of last gen for exclusives regains. That came out in the first half right so we're used to quieter falls with them. But yeah i think it's just in the knowing what's to come in and both unannounced and announced it's kind of one of those. We just want to get to that moment. They've they've had a lot in italy. It's a great. You know exciting moment for us to come. But it's just that moment of like i wanna hear about it here in if anyone's if any was mad at us for being for being like negative and whining about this. I feel like we do this every time like this time of year. You know because like for the most part we've got no the big sort of announcements and reveals and then it's like you know what you're getting for christmas. You can't open it yet. You know known to play the games i always. You know. we're we're even events. Season is kind of a non event this year. It's i think it's still sort of wears out and you can only get. You can only get so hyped for so long before you're sorta like all right. Well let me let me play the thing. I don't know. I'm sort of dying to play some some new games and i'm gonna get my hands on far crisex. I e the absence of a playstation event like we yes we did have the recent state of playing. We played earlier this year but like nothing is the level of any three showcase this year mike. Xbox had three showcase doing games come showcase they have these other indie showcases in the middle nintendo. Had you know each re-showing and these other graphics it's it's just like comparatively or we're not doing that same volume ask for a lot of at. I think i think you nailed it back there. Jonathan about Sony sort of historically keeping the fall kind of clear for third parties Which you statistically sell best on on playstation or at least have for a while. And i think that's going to continue to happen. This fall like they're going to be sort of fundamentally aligned with battlefields in the far cries and the colonies when that in empty roseanne. You'll probably see a lot of those new. The best numbers on bass asian. I mean who knows that things are a lot different. We have all companies are selling really well right now. Most of those games all those games. You won't be able to play on switch. But i think that that's that's sort of interesting factor to it. They don't really need need right. Air quotes to have a big triple a first party game this fall when there's going to be so many third-party games that will associate with On station it even if they are multi-platform so yeah i mean there'll be stuff to play it just necessarily won't be from sony. I mean on. Ironically i say this extremely seriously if neither gets delayed the two two of the biggest games of the fall will most likely be. Gts five in the winter when they get an extra those wolf rally. The assembly games. We talk about the most or are played in discussed the most to see what changes either revisiting or or looking at them for the first time. I think that's going to take up a lot of room honestly finally takes off. I really think not enough. People gave their game a chance. Take that that's two generations all that important so that is arguably going to be one of the best selling games of the fall. I would say. I have a lot of exciting stuff to talk about. As as we mentioned there are a lot of really. Cool looking indies on the horizon Including just this week haiti's coming playstation. Which if you haven't gotten a chance to play haiti's before play haiti's it's at like i know. We talked about this sometimes and people get upset if you happen to have both if on game pass and so if you're subscribed to gain past go check it out there if you don't wanna spend the twenty bucks even though it's well worth go play that game. It's phenomenal i. I've been playing playstation. I played you know. Eighty hours of it on switch. I'm just suck in all. I love this game so wholeheartedly and love supergiant. In general and yeah. There's there's a lot of these on the horizon. I hope we'll be able to discuss the more on the show. I and speaking of indies before we discuss a little bit of what we've been playing in just some other loose ends. I did want to throw to earlier. this week. i didn't interview with carlos rojas silva who is a director of crystals which is a recent That came to a stations other platforms. I talked a little bit about the style of that game Some of the interesting i'm mechanics. They're doing in the combat in the storytelling us. Oh i'm gonna throw to myself and that discussion with carlos which is a really. Thank you jonathan for that wonderful introduction that. I'm sure you gave that. I definitely will remember said this when we record the full episode. I am here and very very excited to be talking with. Carlos from the tells developmental policy or the director of cristelle's and it's a wonderful rpg that i've really been enjoying playing over the last couple of weeks it's currently out on. Ps four nps. Five as well as ten of other platforms as well. But i'm really talked to you a little bit more about the game. So thank you so much for joining me to thank you very much. Running binding mean to hold team on everyone columbia super excited that people all over were are blink pre-sales so we're very humble number you on our to show the the whole world where we were capable of doing in this whole developmental i. It's it's a really spectacular. Rpg that of course i think For many like myself included I hadn't interested in it because of just how beautiful you know. Visually it is. But now that i've had the chance to play it. I want to go a little bit more deeper into it without spoilers. Of course for those who are who are just jumping in themselves after listening to this but before we get into some of the stuff that i've really been enjoying just for those who may be interested in it Do you want to give a brief overview of what chris crystals is so increase sales. You play as crucial these young orphan. Who requires these hours very early on that. Allow her to see the past. President of future at the same time and us player will do that. Just the same in both the adventure mode ending battle mode chris. Rails is a turn based are based on the classical games such as super mario or bg krona trigger and final funds sakes. That's my all time favorite game video game. And it's taking a lot of those design elements from Golden era of your veggies and mid senate allowed we. Today's modern design elements and we're trying to innovate by also the same time being home match. Those wonderful games that we played when we were younger. So i'd really love to dig into some of the stuff you're talking about because i do really feel that sort of there. Is this clear image and a love for the genre the you know the gop genre and much about it but there's a lot of really really cool stuff you in the team are doing within cristelle's as well that i wanna dig into and of course i think the central thing to have to dig into that really want to is the the time mechanic and as you were saying this is something that's really central to not just battle but You know exploring the world and some of puzzle solving and character development as well. Can you tell me a little bit about the inspiration of wanting time to be such a focus and how the team sorta settled on this past present future motif. That's in the game. Yes so much for that question. I'm also the great director and game designer maintain. These are the game so i came up oriented with that idea a few years ago around five years ago and i really audie was very interesting to see how in the same screen you could see vice-president future at the same time actually came to me while i was in development video games for thirteen years now and other means that i would be on before we bring your company. You love the game. Scold asteroid orders fairy tales and we were aided One of the final four indicate gene and we went to los angeles. While will were there. We were looking at other really great. Gains and one of them was these vr experience. That was really interesting where you could see in the vr. Like being in their goggles. You could see a rule sifi side of sort of setting any of you like your hand. You could see the past and if you if you put the other hand you could see like the future so that was very interesting. You surf a puzzle type of game. I really liked that a year. And i was also very excited about there but i had very recently played with you I really loved as well so it came to me. What have you could seeing the same screen the past the present and the future and we started. You know developing this idea. We'd him yell. Who's director and young side Erector and we started laying with these ideal. How this could develop into even after we that into screen. We were thinking okay. This looks amazing. But it's just puzzle game for now and what we wanted to do is like would into frame that could make a lot more sense or more. Let's say mainstream game that we would really enjoy yourselves and we really love jerick. Jeez so i came up with this idea of you being able to also send your enemies into the past or into the future and remember all those fights in the older. Bg's where they could do attack on you and they will appear on both sides. So what i wanted to do with that. That every fighting christmas would be like that and you can send the enemies to the buzzer to future and they would have different abilities. Different looks a lot of different. Things are but the most important element that i wanted to explore. Is that what if you could also use built us battles ailments and by that i mean if you boys enemy in the present and you've sent him into a future instead of him receiving little damage turn by turn you them receive all of the damage all at once so with that idea. I said yes. We found the gold mine. We found something that we would explore a lot more. And that's how the original idea came. Be any journey to these digit these therapy. But it wasn't boring. That what he was just born exploring the stack idea. This just really crazy on walkie dog. All you seen being able to see bath president of future the same gotcha. That's that's fascinating to hear. Because i think the you know the combat side of it as you're saying the ability to poison someone on one turned sudden them into the future and and caused them to get like stacked build up of all that poison immediately is such a sort of as you were saying it. It pays a moderate to you know status elements that have been around in jr pg's forever but it has this new twist to at i've loved loved experimenting and trying to figure out you know new combinations of different powers and especially as you get new teammates at. It's such a joy to figure that stuff out. Maybe this is a little bit of like chicken. Neg sort of scenario question. But there's a really great cast of characters that you build your party. West did deciding who those characters would be. Come as a result of of thinking. How could you play to this time mechanic in different ways or or did they come from you know Character stereotypes that you wanted to look at maybe dig deeper into How did that sort of samba company. Well it's a mix of boats. There were a few voters that some team members wanted so we wanted to create gotti kudo just like every interesting. Gardeners will gain sensors and greece of ores. But as i was writing the beatles. I was also the lead designer underwriting side i wanted them to have a direct relationship with the time mechanics so everything in the game follows the Philosophy learn from the past acting the person. Create your future and we that we that might. Everything has to revolve around that. So if you're playing with tying powers if you're playing with manipulation of redoing things or affecting things. We'd time one of the first idea that came to mind is what changes a lot when you look at it through the ages through the years nature. So that's how i can of this nature manage with real hell so we majored your cd's little see that's very very small. Budding hundred years e concerning to these huge tree. So i love that idea of how that could change much would be noticeable. Also these other ideas so just had the idea of the sculptured named sats and she was sort of crazy and interesting. And i thought okay so we could do something also related to time that what we gambler one more than. Try again and again. That's why we came up with the idea of this. Random base carter like censoring found funds. So that was also related to to the time. I left people. May we may be done this even better. But you know my favorite guard service. Daycare seven twenty one She is unaffected by time. So you know. Some of them are very affected. Some of them are not affected old. So that's why he can grab enemies. Simple them into the other side of the screen. Do these other sort of really weird stuff. So basically they all have the relationships these relationships between their mechanics and dead the element of the game and based on that we came up with their personality. He's so random that's why Jay are so The stoic and so thoughtful really fast and you know that's why Christopher so explosive With with his elemental base magic. So that's how it will be of why they are old. They way they are. It's a really fun. Ensemble does sort of mix and match not just for their personalities in the story. But you know for the battles you were saying something like wilhelm the sort of seed based mechanic as you were mentioning the nature may just a. It's a really interesting on a game. Play ideas that. I know how to poison the character but to seed poisoning so that it becomes stronger later or or manipulate time. So that it it explodes sooner than than they expected Twist on gameplay that. I've i've been playing for years and decades. It's really nice fresh introduction of that but as you were saying not just this unsolvable but but all the characters in general You have this really unique opportunity to explore their past the present and future and when you're exploring most of the major township areas i guess is the best way to put it through the hubs that you visit throughout the journey. You often get to hop. Between all three time periods you get to Take on side. Quests that allow you to affect how things might might go within these cities for some of the characters. A how important wasn't to make sure that you are building these spaces to also take advantage of that time mechanic outside of battle and what was the approach there so it west noelene borden for those leith To be different from each other like how does the evolution of a certain place can be noticeable but also wanting to be impactful with the messages that we were saying we the game because personally i think that means our form of art and the weekend sale. Let us messages using these these medium. So bring us in in the one of the first series. You'll be distinct clarity That he's actually based on real cds from the coastal atlantic Side of columbia. So we were i mean. We are based in columbia so we to color inspiration from other places. We visited and clarity. You can see that. There are a lot of problems with sewer system so the the streets get flooded and we wanted to play with that idea because you can see the flooding happens in the present and it's alert. I mean he'd affects your little but he stole arable but in the future you can see how everything it's completely flooded and we really like that idea of you being able to see the consequences of today's problems when they are not being trying to be sold so we really wanted to see how this evolution of of certain events that you can take. Barring can devolve into something very negative or can give you the motivation to try 'em big so that was extremely important for us. Let tried to Message each plays some places have these other concept of inevitability so anything that you do you will inevitably have something negative happen or you can see how maybe you can support these or other bar but not help everyone so it was really really important for us or the people to see that these philosophy lynn from the bass acting the prison raid your future depended allowed on their actions and their decisions throughout the game. It's really fascinating to happen for anyone who's seen any footage of it. You have this sort of a triangular based viewpoint when when you're in the cities of you in the president as chris bell and your party members and then of course the the past and future on both sides of you and it's a as you were saying i it's really affecting to be able to see in something like saint clarity of the seeing things are overtaken by by the water and and just completely flooded in in the future and instilling that as something that will drive to want to affect the story as well is really smart idea. Did that take a lot of fine tuning though i guess to make sure that for lack of a better way of phrasing it the past the president and the future didn't lead into each other as the characters moving around. What was that something really hard to to nail down. it was definitely hard especially from brother chan standpoint. So you can. Do you remember well like the old are. Jesus had all of these in very basic generic. Nbc's and increase sales. We don't have a lot of Embassies because we wanted to tell a story we each and every one of them we very small team. We are twenty five people both within six Inc where the two companies who are covering this game so if beans such small assemble of evil we really these these really high bar of trying to show every so we really see little stop by just walking walking from ranked left seeing the past of some wants in the future of someone and that will be hard to do. I'm also a set of the The programming and the assembling Really hard because sometimes you make this decision. We have to check that. Okay if you do all of these decisions that you can see the future changes into this or if you do these other things you can see the future changes to this other thing so it was relieved demanding and it was really difficult also to the sign so if you decide at we we had to sign also again if this happens. This person believes in these in these tragedy happens. They will believing these other thing and the dial has to change alongside so dialogue wise for action. Our programming it all had to make sense and finally when we were able to allow people to test it had to feel right it had to feel like it made sense and we ended up changing a few things here and there but for only we didn't have to change so much because it would have been so much harder We had very little time to to trianon. Iteration all of that. We wanted because we we had a lot of times rate on the combat but on the town's part was to redo arthur's over and over again so for delete worked out but Yeah it was a close gold. I will really impressive effects as your walking around the world. I would imagine especially to with having the game be fully voice acted as well. Only further complicates that to a certain extent. Of course it does end. We had to write the the lines for every card. Turn and lines for the different possibilities of the future so that increase the time that we had for the recording. The voice actress was it was definitely demand me but it brings a lot of life to the entire ensemble in the end which which is really enjoyable to get to know these characters both on the good and the bad side and as you were saying to sort of bespoke. Npc's that you encounter in every town so of course i'd be remissed before we wrap up to not mention something. That was the reason. I think chris tales i caught my eye and i think many people's is this incredible art style. That you in the team have have fashioned built a world out of Within the game for those played yet. There's this beautiful mix of You know you're in a three d world but some incredible tutti are oregon and then sort the marriage of two d and three together in really really unique and beautiful ways. But i was curious if you could tell me a little bit sort of about the the inspirations of the art style and what the team hoped to evoke yes so first of all they are styled eats also several. Who's the director. And he wanted to the concept for chriswell was what if a veasley. Princess was born in. Columbia. and what if she had her castle there. So he came up with these ideas of these girl from genius like a real place in columbia and alaska That's the inspiration like the real time version of one of the first cathedral said you meeting the game and actually took all of that and mixed it. We'd a lot of influences from jag officer home for magic friends anyway. Of course the old these nee and makes all of that degrade this unique ourselves that blends so well together we We detain mechanics. And i would of course have to mention Also came up with this idea. Like gameplay director came up with this idea of the triangle that's like a main staple of the game and also like two point fifty way that you walk around the world and it allows so will to see the ourselves so well depicted at well also for trying that it's all too deep but in sort of tree day two point five the world. It's you know inspired by games. Like dome star or we actually at the beginning wanted to talk down through name but it ended up looking this way which we believe protraits In the most beautiful way. Yeah it's it's a really great marriage. She's head of a of a two point five in between two and three d. That especially in some of the really big open areas that when you get into a lot of the exploration combatant things you got some breathtaking vistas and creations up than you of course have those cities as you were mentioning. And he's beautiful cathedrals in everything to to explore. It's it's it's a beautiful game. And i've been having a blast with it so far so i really appreciate you taking the time to speak with me today. Carl thank you so much for your time nobel than we're really excited to be able to show the world to show. That colombia has so much more on to be able to show a lot of the culture and the talent that we have is end so that All over the world can experience these wonderful experience that we've tried to cry for them. Increase sales awesome end. It is currently available on. Ps four ps five digitally and physically as well correct. And if you buy the retail chain you will have these wonderful Oser but it's also of course habitable on the bsn and we've been extremely fortunate to be featured to have been featured for like two weeks on the wet hot sex Five as four and also on the monthly bigs. So we're extremely excited to have so much support from sony playstation awesome well Hopefully some of you beyond listeners and viewers out there who haven't played yet pickup. Chris sales i've been having a blast with it and colors. Thank you again so much for your time and we'll head back to whatever else is happening on this week's episode of be. Thank you so much. Jonathan for taking that time just pizza carlos carlos thank you so much though for taking the time to speak with me. It was really great conversation to have an. I hope you'll enjoy that other. I wanna jonathan fellows going places. He's really he's got some moxie that kid you know. I hope so i. His background was much worse. There was no sleeping dog in the background. Which is a defec- against him. But hopefully avenue. We definitely want to have more in-depth on here in the future and speaking of if you happen to be in any have including any of the as we just mentioned hit us out beyond ideas dot com with like to help schedule some more of these out. We have some plans for the future. Chevy really fun abba would love. Toss spotlight those on the show up before we wrap up. I just wanted to give shout to tell her. Lyles a who's on the show last week didn't interview about the creation of the dual sense and the technology within it. I'm that interview is on. Aegean right now She had a really really great discussion with sony. Interactive entertainment product director toshiaki about the creation of the dual sense. Some of the design choices they made and a little bit of hints about like kind of why it makes sense that the vr controllers that were going to be getting also have so much in the half ticks in it. And why they they made such a obvious sense to include that as part of the larger package pulled out with a yard or there was a report from earlier this week to about Allegedly playstation met recently with vr devs. About how the focus for pse are two is going to be sort of looking for concept polity aaa experiences a lot of stuff that played in vr as was out of this is of course allegedly from report lemme source up but this report from youtube channel. Espn without role About a recent alleged sony private event. I think that's a really cool potential for espn. I think it makes sense. I know we're all fans of espn. But it's i. I would say i. Maybe i'm alone in this out about you guys. I haven't really used my. Ps vr and quotes. And i would really like to see what this next gen of. Vr allows for especially if it is really focused on big immersive experiences. That rich the gap between playing out of the are were also in a really sort of interesting in different time right now where i feel like At the time of the launch of the of the espn do other companies obviously dabbling in vr right survey Vr and a million other different in google cardboard all different stuff but it was a very splintered thing and there are a bunch of deb's sort of tweeting recently about how they don't even bother making games for pc vr anymore because oculus is predominantly where. They're making all of their money like it's it's like ninety percent. Ninety percent ninety nine percent of the money is coming in the oculus. Quest to that thing is just like having like a a standalone. Vr had said that you could buy at bricker brick and mortar stores like best buy is doing tremendous numbers and at the time vr for. Awhile was the best selling headset for. Vr oculus quest to came in and kinda just like unnecessarily ate their lunch but like really kept going and going and going while it feels like kind of slowed down or up. Esp are a little bit. I think it sort of the balls kind of in sony's court to come in and wu developers and go. Hey here's what's different about what we're making and here's why you should resources to 'em here. This is significant player in the field. Now in that territory. And i think that's like really exciting. Because that's you know competition innovation. You know it's funny to think about 'cause like when the ps vr came out like it was competing with the oculus with kickstarter money. And now they're competing with the oculus with facebook money and we've seen it. It's also crazy. That went from being a weird thing. You plugged into your pc. And now it's a thing he just put on your head and it's got a pretty pretty good library and it's growing. We seem like more and more games. Sort of pop up. And i i mean. I really hope that when the ps vr to inevitably launches. That it kinda comes out swinging just ports over a bunch of those sort of established games that we've seen maybe they popped up on peace. Maybe popped up on a platform. You just don't have access to or you're like i want to check that out but i'll wait. I think it'd be really cool just like. Hey here's half-life alex here's resident evil four here's the sniper what. Vr onward all the all the games that are like really big fisherman story whatever. I don't remember what they're called. But like a bunch of those star wars galaxies. Ed just get all of those like front and center in like really show them off like when the the ps vr. it's dated tech that it feels old. It's got controllers from two thousand and nine and it you know the resolution isn't isn't phenomenal and it's It feels noticeably. Clunky compared to sort of more recent gear and that's even just sort of aside from the quality of the software and i don't know it's and i'm excited to see what that looks like. I don't think everything needs to be necessarily aaa quality but if i think if they can sort of. I don't know maybe maybe thin out a shovel wear like there's definitely a lot of. There's a lot of like you know we games. You play with something on your head on. Yeah on the side of things they're gonna have to really establish themselves. This is why you need this thing versus the oculus because i mean the barrier to entry play. Ps vr to is going to be a four hundred five hundred dollar council. That is hopefully easier to buy them. And then re hundred four hundred to who knows. How much headset. Which has to be heather. D- to your five hundred dollar council which is then connected to your television like there's just a lot more there than sort of walking in a store and seeing like the packaging for the oculus. West nacchio's cost to is a headset floating on a box. And it's like that's all you need right like i think that's like you know not not to spend his entire show kissing that things asked but like i think that that's like it. The the the battle has changed a bit right. And so i think that sony needs to adapt to that and i do a lot of the stuff max said which bring over a lot of the games that people sort of identified with oculus and bring them to the to the audience but also create brand new experiences and maybe make something more powerful maybe set the bar higher with new controllers like there has to be something in the tech. That makes you go. This is different. This is better. This is worth you know splintering and fragmenting the audience even further. And this is worth me getting this over or oculus quest or To complement my close. Yeah it's we're. We're going to be more than half decade removed from when the first espn headset launched. And as you said there's this space has changed quite dramatically. Since then. I hope whatever it is obviously i think using the habits and all of that makes total sense and i think will make for some very cool hopefully unique and exclusive vr experiences. But yeah. i really can't take down when we're going to see that right now because of just the way the world is like i would have thought and of next year but now i'm thinking twenty twenty three is probably it. I dunno it's it. It is true that we know what the controllers look like. Yeah like that that feels. I'm glad like it's cool to know it. It's called the know that investing in vr. But it's just it's so weird that they like randomly put up pictures of the controllers one day. And then there's been some like you know like very fragmented little details here and there but nothing really ever since and we've talked about this before like it's stupid to make a complimentary. He's of hardware to a sort of primary piece of hardware that is impossible to find right now But it is. It is bizarre that we've we've known for a long time now or months and months with those controllers. Look like the headset. Looks like no idea. What the timeline. For finding out war or released date i mean. That's that's how that's how they show off the the dual sense. We saw the dual sat months. And it's always the controller. I but that makes sense consoles. It makes sense when the the main thing you're going to be. Engaging with is something you have to put on your head like navy showed that off a little bit. Yeah it it made me think the vr a to was way further ahead and we thought but now because of silence. I think it's not but who knows. We'll obviously continue to cover it. We're all really really excited. What Yesterday are two could be. But we'll we'll see that whenever chose up. I'm before we wrap up. I did wanna just briefly check in. I know we were all talking about it before the show. But we've all been bouncing around a lot with what we've been playing but was there anything that either of you to shut out bryan sir with you I started restarted. Dark souls remastered I think i needed something like dark and depressing brutal to playthrough right now. Because i i read the news ninety too happy out there. It's too happy out. There needed to bring a little sadness home with me no. So that's that's been really fun. I never finished that game. And i i i realized that like i played it a little bit when it originally launched and then i played a bunch aim to switch which was not the place to a dark souls remastered. Because i didn't really kind of like benefit or really recognize a lot of the improvements. Visually attacks realize emit wise all that stuff and playing it on on like a big powerful next gen. Consoles is night and day now and so really. Enjoy enjoying it. Chipping away at it. And i'm i'm further than i ever have been before it's fun because it's like there's so many resources for that game out there now and i'm basically playing it in the kind of the way i travel which is like i have a general idea of where to go based on guidance but then once i got there i kind of find my and so yeah i think like i got bit the elden ring bug again a couple of weeks ago and i'm super excited for it and so i just wanted to something like brutal in soles in on a creepy and scary to play so and it's scratching that itch. Did you ever when you play. Dark souls one. Did you ever play the deal. See i was in there. I can't believe this is me giving a suggestion to you about a dark game But the dlc fight that game that is legitimately one of my favorite souls fights that i've had across any of the games that i've been dipping into recently from it. It is fantastic. There's some like kind of art of the deal that feel a little bit like alert But i think it's the final boss fight in it. It takes me two hours to get all of it is so good. It feels like a fighting game fight with souls mechanics in terms of splashing and everything. It's so good. I can't not to go check up. I will absolutely do that. I i look i i i almost screwed up because i feel like like bloodborne is one of my favorite games of all time and none of the souls games have ever come close to hitting that high for me. They get up there right. And there's definitely moments but lebanon is just so it is so extremely my ish and it's it's just so high up there for may it's like regularly in my one or two favorite games of all time and so like i feel like i it. It makes it harder for me to play other games. But i still really appreciate what they do and i really wanna to dig in all so just kind of backtracking and giving them the respected deserve. Awesome and max. What about man. I wanna play dark souls. I to jump in dark souls three but i bought a physical and really discus now. It's even harder than it was. I can't even open it. no. I've been i've been bouncing between a bunch of stuff. I got my hands on a series x and so i've been Taking advantage of the quick resume which lets you have just the worst eighty date when it comes to playing games. Because it's like oh. I'm gonna have like watching eight shows. Primetime basically But i've been bothered between like a bunch of different things on there. I played a a ton of Destroy all humans. This last weekend which i never played originally came out. And it's the you know the remastered wanted had like the ramstein trailer at games common ever yet. And that's like such just the right level of stupid for house feeling this last weekend it was kind of like an not twenty to law cows or whatever And i've been chipping away Wolfenstein two and apparently i wasn't killing enough nazi so Sniper lead four which definitely has If you've ever slept on this this has some solid five. Dna to it. They definitely have similar similar feeling kind of movement and which is really nice. Because i miss your solid five. And i shouldn't i shouldn't replay that again. We i jump back into. I realized i haven't. I haven't finished yuccas a three and i figured out why because i hate playing it. It has the most frustrating combat of any of those games and they they sort of remastered updated most of them but that is sort of they ported over the ps three version for the remastered version. And it's still got a sickly. Just really it's just like chip damage fights like i just the kind of thing where you like. It's not even it's it's not challenging in an interesting way it's like you're just punching repeatedly and he's just holding his blocks up and then you'd like eat a bunch of like a bunch of vitamin shots. Get your health backup. And then he comes over a front flip flaming kick on your head. And then you die. Nearly this is dumb find out. They attacked the orphanage. I don't know i'm trying to chip through that. And then so. I can jump into the four and five because those are always good. Yeah just good sort of standby games. Yeah it's it's just it's kind of like it's you ever have a thing where you just you hit you hit something that just slows you down and just makes you not want to do it anymore. And it's like. I'm dying to play yuccas foreign five but stuck on three just because it's not unenjoyable. Sometimes yeah you just you hit one of those walls but Hopefully something can kind of get back into the next for you but yeah i. As i mentioned. I've been playing eighties. These play haiti's phenomenal. And before we wrap up amazingly before before we wrap up blue-box did tweet again and as we're ending this episode perfectly either. It's not up yet or move locks blue-box happening now you said he is. That's apropos because they said we are still working to resolve the issue. We are facing. We wanted to remind you that we are a small studio without the wide resources to quickly resolve an issue. A we are not we want to deliver a highly polished product a good representation of the game that auctions as intended. We won't delaying the patch to a specific date. She makes me think it is. I know as a release it as soon as we have resolved on behalf of the blue ox game studios team and everyone involved with abandoned. You thank you for the patients apologized so you know what what can shut the hell up is apparently blue is not. It's not a color. It's something else in blue-box tweeted that out and people are like blow trying to guess if it's like an acronym and it's just like just puzzles in the game and then put the game out like just that'd that'd be great if the puzzle. There are puzzles in the game. But we'll have to find that out in the future as we continue to cover whatever whatever else on playstation. Thank you so much for joining us for this week's episode. Thank you to brian. Amax for joining me in find on twitter. I'm jay door bush. Brian is at egypt fizzle. Maximum at max scoville. I thank you to allen our producer for producing the show. Making it happen this week and thank you to everyone out there listening watching you. Hope you're safe. You hope you're well and as always.

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Thu. 03/12 - Lego Mario is weird, Nintendo and more react to E3's cancelation, and Blade Runner: Enhanced Edition is coming to consoles

Gaming Ride Home

16:58 min | 1 year ago

Thu. 03/12 - Lego Mario is weird, Nintendo and more react to E3's cancelation, and Blade Runner: Enhanced Edition is coming to consoles

"Welcome to the gaming ride home podcast for Thursday march twelfth. I in Kyle Hilliard. Here's a whole bunch of video games stuff that recently the recently. At's Lego Mario set is a new unique type of Lego said the big publishers react to eat threes cancellation which may have robbed us of rock steady Batman and Harry Potter video game entails the Corona virus is causing east sports. Cancellations NINTENDO CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT. Takes a small step forward and the nineteen ninety-seven bladerunner game is getting enhanced for consoles and steam. The recent lego Mario Tease was for a unique upcoming Lego. Mario set on Tuesday. Nintendo tweeted out a little tease for some kind of Mario and Lego related thing. That had a strange looking. Mario mini fig that appeared to have a little screen on his chest and face. This morning nintendo revealed that it is an upcoming Lego. Set as opposed to a Lego Mario video game which was a theory but it does have some video game like applications and the mini pig does have small screens on it. The trailer for the set which I guess when it comes to a physical toy like this. It's really more of a commercial but it showed a pair of kids. Playing with the new Mario set they build out what feels like a Mario level and then they were moving. The Mario Mini fig with the little screen his face and chest around simulating jumping on various. Lego PIRANHA PLANTS LEGO GOUMAS and bouncing. From like a question mark blocks he also stands on this rotating platform that the kids were able to spin around while the iconic. Mario coin collecting sound effect played. And it all ended with a confrontation with bows or junior. Who GOT KNOCKED OUT BY MARIO? And then the kids made. Mario jump on bowser juniors back while sound effects played Yoshi. Was there too. And then Mario jumped on a flag and the end level sound effect played and a coin. Count appeared on the screen on Mario's chest so it's a it's a Mario set but the Mario figure plays sound effects depending on what pieces of the set. He's touching and the screen on his chest keeps track of collected coins and since his eyes and mouth are also screen those change in animate depending on what he's doing. They had one little clip where it looked like his eyes turned into XS. Assuming that he'd been defeated there is also a Bluetooth icon on. Mario's back so there must be some kind of application or wireless integration as well. It's really league a lot different than any. Lego said I've seen before Jonathan Dornbush for Eitan had a chance to dive deeper on the set and spoke with digital design lead on Lego. Super Mario Jonathan Bentinck about the set. You can find a link to the article in the show notes. Dornbush wrote the Lego. Mario is more than just a super sized figure. He's got special functionality that allows him to interact with different pieces of these levels. In unique ways such as greeting a friendly character like Yoshi crying out in pain when standing in lava and more the goal of these levels is to have. Mario traversed the block terrain competing against the clock while interacting each variable piece to collect as many digital coins as possible. This is a apparently just the starting line for more Mario. Lego sets to come in the future. It's such a Nintendo approach to really try something unique and different in the world of Lego and I think it looks awesome. Mario Creator Shigeru. Miyamoto has said in the past that outside of video games his always had an interest in creating physical toys so I wonder how involved he was with. A collaboration for this. Lego set three was officially canceled yesterday which was not unexpected but still a wild thing to my knowledge e three has never been cancelled due to a comparable concern and the various publishers. Who were planning on attending have all released statements about the news? Nintendo released a statement to various outlets. Reading Nintendo supports the essays decision to cancel this year's e three to help protect the health and safety of everyone in our industry our fans our employees our exhibitors and our longtime e. three partners. We would like to express our concern and support for all those affected by the C. O. V. I D. Nineteen outbreak during this challenging time. We'll continue to be flexible and redirect our efforts to other ways of keeping our fans up to date about our activities and products because of the C o V. ID nineteen outbreak. Large Industry. Events may be untenable for the foreseeable future but we are considering various ways to engage with our fans and we'll have more to share as the year continues head of xbox Phil. Spencer tweeted E. Three has always been an important moment for team. Xbox given this decision this year will celebrate the next generation of gaming with the Xbox community and all who love and play via an xbox digital event details on timing and more in the coming weeks electronic arts similarly shared a statement to various outlets that read we've continued to follow the corona virus developments around the world very closely clearly. The situation is evolving day by day. And we've been reviewing how it will change our plans for. Ea Play Twenty twenty. We will share more soon. Ubisoft tweeted the health and well being of our teams players and partners is our top priority. So while we're disappointed we fully support the ESA's decision to cancel e three two thousand twenty e three is and will continue to be a moment where we come together as a community share. Our love of games were exploring other options for a digital experience that will allow us to share all the exciting news we have planned and deliver digital a publisher who has always been at odds with the asa an e three and often resorts to renting out parking. Lots near the convention hall to share details about its gains tweeted. The week of e-3 has always been a big part of what we do and are genuinely bummed about the cancellation of the event itself. Lots to juggle BA- right. Now we plan on having a livestream devolved direct slash press conference and possibly more devolve. Her was also among the first to tease. That three was being cancelled when it tweeted. Cancel your e three flights and hotels. Y'All on March tenth. Needless to say this has impacted the plans of the major video games publishers. In a big way but it sounds like many of them are still planning on making announcements during that e three timeframe so hopefully that second week of June will still be an exciting time for the industry. Rock steadies new game a new Batman game and details on the leaked Harry Potter game where all supposedly meant to appear at e three two thousand twenty many outlets wrote about Ethan cancellation yesterday. I covered it here extensively with the help of game. Dev Business Handbook author Mike Cutter but nestled in Jason Schreier story for Taco were a number of interesting details and reveals that we may be missing out on now that e three twenty twenty has been canceled. Trier wrote in his article about threes cancellation this year. A newcomer plans to enter. The field. Warner Brothers. Games was preparing to host an e three press conference for the first time. According to three people familiar with the publishers plans there. Wb Games had planned to talk about a number of much anticipated games including a new Batman. A Harry Potter game that leaked in two thousand eighteen. And the next game from Arkham developers rock steady studios remains to be seen whether one brothers will instead hold its own digital event or do something else entirely all of those details very exciting. If True Rock steady in the studio behind the Arkham trilogy of Games and it has been very quiet. Since the release of Arkham night. I'm very excited to learn what they are working on. Next there have been rumours and teases that a new Batman game is in the works from. Wb Games Montreal. The studio behind Arkham origins that might be a Batman. Video game reboot or a game covering the recent court of owls arc from the comics or it might be a combination of both the Harry Potter game. That schreier is referencing. Here is one that leaked years ago with some small snippets of video that showed an impressive third person potentially open world action game. That many believe is being developed by avalanche software the studio behind the Disney Infinity Series of games. But that's all rumor and speculation. Obviously those games if they exist and I believe they do won't be cancelled because e three was canceled and they will be announced at some point. But if Warner Brothers had been able to show all of them in a single e three press conference it would have been incredibly exciting. Hopefully they are still able to share details about all of them on a comparable platform soon. He set not thirty. Two Antivirus. Gamer edition is legendary protection for PC GAMING PC protection by Gamers for gamers and part of that is making sure not to compromise your gaming experience no annoying pop ups like other antivirus programs. E set postpones all non actionable pop up windows updates and system hungry activities to preserve system resources so that you can stay online and unplugged longer. East automatically switches to silent mode. Any program is run in full screen mode and postpones system updates and notifications to save resources for gaming. It fits any type of system environment and saves Internet Ban with with extremely small packages. It's easy to install renew an upgrade and your license is flexible so you can transfer it to a new computer device anytime you like. So if you're looking for solid protection against ransomware zero days and hackers that's built for Gamers won't slow you down get a free trial right now at try dot e Dot Com slash ride and get thirty percent off when you buy. That's try dot E. S. E. DOT com slash. Ride for your free trial. An speaking of canceled events due to Corona virus concerns valve and the ESL are postponing. The data to Los Angeles Major and Overwatch League has cancelled events for the next two months. E twitter account at esl Doda to tweeted late last night in light of recent travel restrictions and the evolving co V. I D. Nineteen situation. Esl Is postponing the ESL. One Los Angeles Twenty twenty zero to two major while we were very excited to bring the Doda to major to Las Angeles the safety and wellbeing of our players attendees coaches partners and esl. Staff must come first. We are working closely with vowel to determine a new time and location for the major. We are deeply disappointed but believe this outcome is in the best interest of all the people who make these incredible events possible similarly the Overwatch League announced in a tweet that it is canceling events March April due to health and safety concerns. But it did follow up with another tweet saying we are not canceling Hashtag. Owi L. Twenty twenty out of concern for fans players staff and others. We have just canceled upcoming homestead events. We will be playing matches with our teams this month next month and beyond and these matches will be broadcast fans the ability to do this in the face of unforeseen challenges like C. O. V. I D. Nineteen is part of what makes our business so unique. The ride home podcast network actually has a new hopefully temporary daily show that covers all the corona virus news called Corona Virus daily briefing. So if you WANNA stay up-to-date on all the news surrounding the virus you can track that down class action lawsuit related to the DRIFT ISSUE. For the Nintendo switched. Joy Con is entering arbitration. The nintendo switch joy Con Controller. Has THIS CONSISTENT ISSUE. Where over time the control stick will start drifting and the only way to fix the issue is to replace the controller or send it away to Nintendo to have them repaired. I've actually encountered this issue myself and had to mail nintendo one of my joy cons to get it repaired. Frustrations surrounding the issue led to a class. Action lawsuit filed by a customer named Ryan D. as Emily sorter reported on the lawsuit for the Website. Top class actions which is not gaming website but rather a website that tracks the status of various class action lawsuits in rights. Allegedly Nintendo was aware of the problem but continued to advertise and sell the product as if it were free from defects to support his claim that the company knew about the defects. Diaz said that many customers have complained about the problem in online forums and have contacted the company about repairing devices. Diaz aimed to hold nintendo liable for the financial injury caused customers as well as liable for violation of several California laws according to the as the should provide free repairs or replacements to compensate consumers for the problem. The latest update for the lawsuit is that. Nintendo attempted to have the case dismissed but U S District Judge Thomas S Zilly rejected the request but did agree that the claims should be handled with arbitration. The long-term hope here is that Nintendo will extend warranty for its joy cons and replace or fix broken controllers outside of the warranty window with the understanding that this could have been a preventable issue. This update isn't a big one and frankly all video. Game companies are always fighting various lawsuits. But I think this one might go somewhere so if you're having controller issues. Hopefully they can be taken care of. Even if you bought a switch on launch day and are now outside the standard timeframe for free repairs night dive studios is bringing the nineteen ninety seven point and click bladerunner adventure game to ps four xbox one switch and steam bladerunner. The Classic Nineteen ninety-seven Adventure game came to Gog dot com late last year. But night dive studios a publisher that specializes in restoring and modernizing old video. Games is bringing an enhanced version of the game to consoles including switch and steam. The game is not a direct adaptation of the film but instead follows an original character. And it's a game that was considered well ahead of its time when it released in Nineteen ninety-seven by featuring randomize elements that would affect the larger narrative in different ways. Every time you played like which characters in the game were replicans in which were Human Patrick. Shanley reported on the announcement for the Hollywood reporter which has recently become an unexpected avenue for exclusive video game announcements and Shanley wrote in Two Thousand Fifteen Westwood Studios Co founder. Louis Castle mentioned in an interview with Youtube Channel. Regna rocks that the original source code for the game had been lost when the company relocated from Las Vegas to Los Angeles as part of the studios merger with EA Los Angeles in two thousand and three five years after EA purchased Westwood Studios in Nineteen Ninety. Eight thus making a remake impossible without spending millions of dollars. It's true that the original blade runner source code was lost. Says Larry Cooperman head of business development at night dive we painstakingly reverse engineered the code. Importing it into our own kegs. Engine a powerful tool that allows us to do console ports of classic titles even in the face of quite challenging situations. The game will officially be called Blade runner enhanced edition and it will have improved character models animation and cut scenes and wide screen and controller support. No word on exactly. When Bladerunner enhanced edition will release but it will be coming to switch xbox one. Ps four and steam. If you don't WanNa wait you can play a non enhanced version of the game right now on. Gog Dot Com. That's it for video game news. Today I played some more Ori- and the will of the wisps last night. I am still loving it I played around of warzone last night. I gotTa Kill in the Gulag in a kill out on the field after I came back to life but didn't survive too much longer after that. I'm still really digging that game though and I'm still playing murder by numbers and enjoying that as well. I make no promises but I'm trying to set up an interview with the Games director. Ed Fear for this podcast which will be exciting if you have corrections or just feedback general. Feel free to send me tweets. Dm's to either at Kyle Hilliard or at gaming ride home or you can send an email to kyle. At ride home dot info. Please consider leaving the review for the podcast. Wherever you listen to it. You can also check out my twitter Account Kyle impersonator. I'm playing through Black Mesa right now and you can find me on the mid Mac show for more long form video game discussion. I will talk to you more about video games tomorrow.

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News Roundup - Top Execs leave Ubisoft, Far Cry 6 leaks and New World MMO Delayed

This Week In Video Games

12:16 min | 1 year ago

News Roundup - Top Execs leave Ubisoft, Far Cry 6 leaks and New World MMO Delayed

"Welcome back to this week in video games, and this is the news roundup giving you all the latest video game news you need to know in just ten minutes, and if you find this useful, then don't forget to like share and subscribe on Youtube and favorite podcast APPS, links below in the description and the show notes. Says the twelfth of July Twenty, twenty said. Let's get into the news I up in the news this week. Three more top UBISOFT exects resign as publisher admits it's foreign shore providing a safe workplace. This one comes from Vicki Blake Vera game. UBISOFT chief creative officer search has co has resigned, CEO and Co. founder Veep Soft Yves Guillemot. We'll cover the post as the company looks for a replacement, the news came virus statement from the company that also confirmed that the head of ubisoft Canadian Studios Yanase. Matt will be stepping down along with global head of HR sessile cornerback, who believes that stepping down is the best of the interest of the company's unity, the fourth statement, which is entitled Ubisoft out his departures, and reaffirmed its commitment to implementing significant change in the workplace culture and is as follows today. Soft announced several significant personnel changes Thapar, the comprehensive word of companies doing to improve and strengthen is workplace culture. These departures come following the initiation of a rigorous review. The company initiated in response to recent appearance. And accusations of misconduct and inappropriate behavior surge has code is chosen to resign from his position as chief creative officer. Effective immediately, Israel will be taken by Yves Guillemot CEO and Co founder of Ubisoft in the interim during his time Mr Guillemot will personally oversee a complete overhaul of the way in which crave teams claverie. Janice Malik, Managing Director of Canadians studios will be stepping down from his role to leave the company effective immediately the recent allegations that have come to light encounter against multiple employees, making impossible for him to continue in this position for this really was off where we appointing a new global head of HR to replace sessile. Corny, WHO's decided to step down from this role she believes is now in the best interest of the company's unity. Search for her replacement will begin immediately led by industry leading recruitment fund in parallel. The company is restructuring and strengthening HR function in order to adapt to the new charges of the video game industry. is in the final steps of hiring a top international management consultant firm to audit and reshape is HR, procedures and policies as previously announced these changes are power, comprehensive set of initiatives announced to employees on July the second twenty twenty. These initiatives are guiding us off, renew commitment of fostering an environment that its employees partners and communities can be proud of one the reflexive values and And he's safe. Everyone he was off to has full insurance obligation to guarantee a safe and inclusive workplace environment for its employees. This is unacceptable as toxic behaviors in direct contrast to our values on which I've never compromised, and never will I'm committing to implementing profound changes across the company to improve and strengthen our workplace culture said Yves Guillemot CEO and Co founder of Ubisoft. Moving forward as we collectively embark on a path, leading to a better UBISOFT. Station leaders across the company manage their teams with the utmost respect I. also expect them to work to drive the change we need always thinking of what's best for you. Is often its employees more shocking allegations came to light yesterday when a French newspaper published a report on July tenth, and made further allegations of UBISOFT toxic working culture. The high profile resignations follow that of maxine bland, who resigned from his post of US off last week for several other employees, including Tommy, France-soir and Adrian finishing who suspended when the publisher developer began an investigation, after multiple allegations of sexual assault and harassment were made against a number of us off staff assassin's creed, our creative director Ashraf. Ishmael also recently stepped down after. After allegations surrounding his personal life posted on twitter in a public statement. ubisoft said it was truly sorry and confirmed that it's died by launching investigations into the allegations with support or specialized external consultants. He was off. Boss Yves. Guillemot has detailed out of changes to its internal processes and the top editorial board. We have significant work to do to improve the ways that we are praying. Collaborate and personally committed to ensuring that we make these fundamental changes. They need to be profound, and we need to implement them quickly. At all levels of the organization Guillemot, said the fresh resignations commander of today's. He was food event. I wish the company is expected to show off screen. Valhalla, watchdogs Legion and for six. Next up in the news for Christ, six leagues, five Pierce and update, and he was off his official teaser. This one comes from Dan. Tack of Game Informer. Ready for another growing ahead of its special digital event this Sunday, he was off upcoming for six looks like it's leaked via Pierce N I post on video. Game Forum raise the era details house the leak and provides documentation for materials that have now been pulled down Kiara featuring Giancarlo. ESPOSITO gives us a solid idea of what's to come. Bats best known for his antagonists role in the hit TV show, breaking bad as Gus fring Giancarlo Esposito has appeared in a time of great stuff. He's even in the mandatory into anyway. He's looking big enemy in this upcoming far cry is. Based on the town, of note, the description for the game allegedly contains description of cross buying options for the title meaning your PS. Four purchase would support free upgrade on the enhanced version on PS. Five surprising, no one the other supporting text of his the player in the role of a revolutionary fighter against a brutal dictator. Hopefully we'll find out more about cry six during use of forward event coming up today. Nick stuff in the news. Amazon delays. It's Emo new world to twenty twenty one. This one comes from Michael Water are polygon. Amazon game. Studios announced on Friday that is delaying massively multiplayer online game new world to spring. Twenty twenty one is the second delay for new world. This year in April Amazon pushed the game back from his original may launch window to August the twenty fifth. Rich Lawrence, Studio Director Amazon Game Studios, said the developer delayed. New World, twenty twenty, one based on player feedback, and attains designed to create an additional game content for the Promo-, we're may examine the feedback. We received over the last several months. My Alpha audience we saw the players like the game, and they would like to see even more of. Lawrence said in particular. We want to ensure that the DEDICA- players have plenty of middle and game experiences as they venture through the game. We want our players to feel completely immersed in the game and we know our studio stands for quality and lasting gameplay that you can trust, and that means at time to get things where we want to get them before we fully release. As a result will be changing our launch date, and correspondingly our final Beta test to spring twenty twenty one. We don't take the decision lightly, and we have an urgency about getting the game to you as quickly as possible and the best quality with some additions only experience even better. News of new wells delay come surely after a major release changed to Amazon Game Studios Mobile now shooter crucible after releasing crucible to the main public developer. Renton studios announced. The game is being put back into closed Beta. Amazon, similarly stroud finds accessible as multiplayer fancy broiler breakaway, which the company canceled in twenty eighteen, after an attempted overhaul of that project next up in the news peers, five bucks revealed with Marvel Spiderman. Mas Miranda's this one comes from John. Dornbush Abajian Sony has showcase. What ps five folks out, Willett like with the reveal of Marvel, Spiderman Mars. Morales blocks on head of the launch later this year. And you can check out the box art which sports talk bar with appears five logo as opposed to the blue top of the PS. Four Vauxhall and you can check this out on this week. Video Games Youtube Channel now Sony showed off the new design with arguably one of the biggest PS five games of his launch window Marvel Spiderman Mouse Morales. This books aren't willing. Could miles in his spiderman suit alongside of wedding and hints is unique powers in comparison to Piapot Spiderman. The are also reveals what appears to be the new standard five boxes, the white top Bar Wallace. Stark bright contrast and blue trim PS. Four boxes is very clearly the same theme, the initial design of peers five and appears five new control, the juice sense, the case itself however appears to retain the blue translucent design of this generation's box on the side panels of the PS, five as seen in the initial reveal support, bright white collar while the juice sense, itself is also. Also primarily white. It's also worth noting that the only on playstation phrasing found on Pierce. For exclusives is not included here over the playstation studios logo, which is Sony's new indicator for First Party, produced and published Games is included on the artwork. We recently learned some story details about Spiderman. Miles Morales and how it picks up mall story where it left off in Marvel's find even after some confusion falling is an issue, reveal insomniac games confirm this vitamin. Mouth Morales is standalone adventure. And finally in the news this week Sony. Invest Two hundred and fifty million epic games. This one comes from Andy Chalk. Our PC gamer Sony has made a two hundred and fifty million investment into epic Games, granting minority share of the company and opening the door to a deeper collaboration between them. Specific plans for the future weren't revealed, epoch said in a statement the investment will blend Sony's leading portfolio of entertainment assets and technology and epic Social Entertainment Platform Digital Ecosystem to create unique experiences for consumers and creators. Epics, powerful technology in areas, such as graphics places at the forefront of the Games engine development with unreal engine, and other innovations, said the Sony Corporation chairman, President and CEO can a Chiro Yoshida. There's no better example of this than the revolution entertainment experience four nine through our investment, we'll explore opportunities for further collaboration with epic to delight and bring value to consumers and the industry at large, not only in games, also across the rapidly evolving digital entertainment landscape. EPOCH CEO Tim Sweeney also suggested that the partnership will be on video games. We share a vision of real time three D, social experiences, leading to the convergence of gaming, film and music. He said together we strive to build an even more open, accessible digital ecosystem for consumers and content creators alike. Sony has recently shown the heightened interest in pc gaming, the previously peers for exclusive horizons zero dawn is coming our way this summer for one of its example lightly even more relevant to the partnership as epochs focus on bringing its technology to the world of movie, making the unreal engine website houses, capabilities, episode animations live action, blockbusters or short form content for a company like Sony in which case she went away makes a few movies here and there it could be a major asset also interesting as Nico Panacea Alice Daniel. Daniel omit loaded on twitter. Is that more? Sony's investment isn't much smaller than ten cents. Per into epic in two thousand twelve is getting a much smaller slice of the Pie. Timing is everything. The investment is subject to customary closing conditions epochs, including regulatory approvals. What's in the news today and thank you so much for watching or listening for more video game news content like this, subscribe and share with friend to join our community. Check out the discord Lincoln description, and you can follow me on twitter at Twu IV podcast. So this week in video games is also patron, and you can find out more on Patriot dot com forward slash this we can. Video Games can sign up for some rewards like early access to the podcast. Get your name in the credits of videos as well as exclusive content, especially with discord roles and community features, so check out the links down there below in the description or the shirts for more information. Thanks again, and I'll see you in a few days.

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PlayStation Acquires Demon's Souls Dev Bluepoint Games - Beyond Mini-Episode

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11:58 min | 3 weeks ago

PlayStation Acquires Demon's Souls Dev Bluepoint Games - Beyond Mini-Episode

"Janda and hello. Everyone jumped doorbuster with some exciting playstation news to discuss joining me. Is brian altana beyond beyond brian. Good to be here with you. Because of course we're talking about the latest playstation acquisition lou. Point gates very very exciting. They are now the sixteenth playstation studios. Sort of first party studio in the in the family they most recently of course made demon souls. Gps five launch title and one of the first ps five exclusives around the shadow of the classes remake on ps. Four the uncharted. Nathan drake collection on pius for gravity rush remastered. They've sort of in a whole remastered remakes face with playstation for awhile and now they finally decided to i guess like developer marry. I don't really know term is for this. You know we've seen a couple of studios of sort of adjacent to playstation get. Make make it official. Basically right we've seen it with insomniac. We saw it with house mark. Just recently These are studios that have long running relationships with playstation making exclusive games or just making games in general and now. They're getting the support of the sony themselves. Officially and that's i think very exciting. It's very exciting. For people who like these games is very exciting for people who want to see these studios thrive and also because it. It doesn't really doesn't feel like a scenario where a these studios are taking away from competition. Because they weren't really making a bunch of multi-platform games to begin with so if you're a big xbox fan like this isn't a gigantic loss for you. Either right now yeah they. They've really not been involved in the non playstation space for a while they worked on the xbox three sixty version of titanfall fall but since then kind of have been very very playstation focused. And so yeah as you said this is not like a ono nintendo and xbox will not be getting all the games they were going to be getting. This is sort of a you know this has been an obvious close relationship for a long time and as you pointed out it gives the studio stability and certainty that they didn't have before. And that's actually one of the many things i spoke to marco thrush the president of blue point at herman host. He had a playstation studios. There's a fuller interview up on gin right now. With more that you can go check out but A few things that they talked about that. I want to touch on discussed with ios. I know you're a huge fan of blue points. Work obviously demon souls in just excited for the future for them. The the first thing. I think the most important thing is that they are not doing another remake next they are going to be working on original content marcos They want to sort of focus on making their own creative vision. Come to light Marco described a little bit of how you know. There's been this progression of the studio working. On some of the earliest games really smaller games that worked on ports or re masters then went onto fuller remakes and they are a studio. The founders are formerly retro studios the metric developers. There was a whole bunch of you know long story talent at blue point who've worked on original games in the past and i think there's probably like a thirst there to one over something original themselves. I'm sure they've had a lot of ideas percolating while recreating these other games. So what does that mean to you. As as them approaching the original space versus another remake. It's incredibly exciting. Honestly and really fascinating to me. Because i think that This breaks them immediately and obviously we haven't played their new game yet. We don't even know what it is but This does sort of get them away from the pigeonholing. Originally i believe a lot of fans like myself probably assumed that they would be in forever right. It seemed like a safe good spot for them to continue to re master a remake a classic games that were you know a little bit old not necessarily like stuff from the apis era or anything like that but stuff that you know is a couple of generations old needed fresh coat of paint. But i'm i'm really excited to see what they can do that ran new because they've been mucking around in the back end of summer like a greatest games ever made. They've probably learned a trick or two. And that's pretty interesting. Because i have a feeling there's going to be a lot of naysayers might read the headline around the and this acquisition and just go. You know their report house. There are remastered studio remake studio. Whatever i can kind of brush them aside but knowing that they are this talented in this Sort of technically proficient especially when it comes to Graphics and just sort of like iraq solid approach to the technical foundation of building video games and apply skills and that history to something. New is really really cool. Yeah it's it's a really exciting potential. And i think anyone who like. I think we've even talked about on. The show is the minute blue. Point announced demon souls. Officially it was kind of like. Oh my god. That's so awesome. But what's their next remake gonna be. What should the next five playstation remakes. They handle it as you just said perfectly like it's easy to pigeonhole them in that way but there's so much talent there there's obviously creative ambition there and so see do originally is real exciting and i think it. It speaks to a little bit of the trust between them and playstation because demons shadow of the colossus originally the biggest selling playstation games ever. But they were to really critically beloved games that playstation said okay. We trust this third party studio to take our internal assets that we still have to take the bones of these games to work with our developers and learn from what they did and then put their own mark on it but stay true to that vision. That shows a lot of trust already. So i think bringing them in only only more to me shows a sign of confidence that like whatever blue point wants to do next must really be exciting to playstation. Yeah yeah absolutely. I mean i think that that probably connected the dots with both of those things right like i think they probably said i'm not sure how this pitch came together to to be acquired but i have a feeling they're sony was sort of like so. What do you want to work on you know. And they said we want to make something new and they said rate. I'm on over. Officially i mean you're already here but yeah we're gonna whatever kind of hanging out in the lobby most of the time but so yeah just like we have a space for you. Just come upstairs but yeah it is one of those things. Marco talks about a little bit of like you know obviously working in partnership with playstation. They had opportunities like having a full london orchestra. Do the do the score for demon solos or they had opportunities to work with the tech pipelines of the other playstation studios. Now that stuff is just like there's no sort of red tape that they have to go through their just part of that ecosystem if they want to rely on the amazing motion capture at the playstation studios has. It's very easy to get in contact for that soft if they if they have other ideas if they need support things of that nature It seems like just a better more stable environment for them to create. Whatever they want to go foward yeah they could have like a dedicated london orchestra conference room with the just. They're just hanging out there just there all the time. No joking a small orchestra a quartet. Maybe I think that this is something that's really cool. And like you said getting that level of resources and that level of trust is is is core to the foundation of a big studio this it means that their next game not something they have to sort of look over their shoulder about and be like this need to be financially successful. Is it okay if this gets delayed Is this gonna make or break us. You know every every Studio or many suitors sort of living die based on air last hit or their last failure. And i think this is. This is really like solid for them in in very sort of positive empowering to see that they'll be able to grow for years to come because this is not something that sony's just going to abandon after owning in a to the forefront here. I think what is sort of interesting to me is that it does. I mean i still. I still want re- masters of gangs. So i'm hoping that they can stop. They can do that too. 'cause they're really really good at that and obviously like there was a lot of rumors over the last year. Medicare solitude silent hill. Something is like sort of playstation jason or playstation parallel but not owned by playstation. There are a lot of stuff that we thought blue point could be working on There was that infamous tweet not infamous. I'm was in the tweet. There was a tweet that listed like a bunch of different video game titles before demon souls was officially announced from blue point and so who knows what the future old. I would like to see them eventually. Do both but for now. I'm very happy to see them. Do something brand new yeah. It is an element of the last few years of playstation releases that i now seeing that they're going to be doing original content almost feel like i've taken for granted of like but no i still wanna hold for those remakes to and even if it's not blue point. I hope that you know now that there are officially part of playstation. They can pass along that knowledge to another studio whether internally or a third party partner you know rather than playstation having to say okay we'll have we'll hire this studio that we like third party wise to do remakes but then we also have to make sure blue point is okay with us like working with us through them now. They're just part of it and they could pass away that knowledge in a way. So i'm hopeful for that they did marco and i talked a little bit. Obviously their next project is a bit of a ways off but they had a surprising sort of release cadence they. They've gone through things quite quickly. Not really more than three years and he said like with original content it is natural for that stuff to just take more time than and You know a remake of a game. So i wouldn't expect like we're going to hear what blue points big game isn't it released next year or something like that. Even though that would play into their remake cadence. I wouldn't expect it just yet but i. I do think this please into as you were saying earlier the playstation doubling down on the relationships. They've had and just making sure that. That is a sure thing. Playstation players have to quote to which i think is really cool benefit for the audience. Yeah i think maybe in a couple of years or maybe sooner than that. We might see position. Make some sort of like you know out of left field acquisitions or something like that. I think xbox has been doing that over the last few years to sort of fortify their identity identity and sort of you know build up their presence in gaming. Sony has that obviously xbox to right. They're doing great right now and have been for twenty years but Sony has a fantastic stable of studios underneath them and studios. That are like all but you know first party so they were always right there. And so it's it's just like we said with house mark like it's awesome to see them sort of you know put stock and investment and faith into these studios that they've been trusting for years and to make it official. Yeah totally it's one of those things where you know the. Ps four on the ps. Five i kind of just thought of how smart can blue point as part of playstation at this point so this kind of just makes it official and is a nice little stamp to know that we're going to get the next blue point game we're going to get the house mark game and they already both know their ways around a ps five. So it's going to be very exciting to see what they do in a few years but Definitely recommend everyone. Go check out the fuller interview on jan dot com spoke with both harmon and marco and lot of great fun a little insight into just how how that relationship works and really appreciate you ryan taking the time to speak with me. Yeah of course and you know for everyone else. We do podcast beyond all the time. We're talking about playstation on that show and check out. I mean just go watch gameplay footage of demon souls and shadow the classes and just to get an idea of what the studios capable of technically. I can't wait to see what they do. That's brand now. It's gonna be super cool. Yeah it's a really exciting time and there's a lot of potential head will obviously be got. Excuse me you discussing more of that. On podcast. Beyond so brian. Thank you so much for joining me and thank you to everyone out there for watching the hours.

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How Was PlayStation's July State of Play? - Beyond Episode 708

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49:09 min | 3 months ago

How Was PlayStation's July State of Play? - Beyond Episode 708

"Beyond and hello everyone. My name is jonathan during bush. And this podcast beyond aegean's weekly playstation show. We're doing live this week to cover the latest playstation state of play. We have a lot of different games to dig into including a very long look at death loop which is only just a couple months away. I'm very very excited to play it. And i just i just wanna get that game soon but we're only a couple months away from that as well as death stranding director's cut and a few other indies that we got a look at To discuss everything we saw. I'm joined this week by brian. Altana what's up beyond. Hello hey let's do it. Good good to see. Also during this week by matt. Kim matt. Thanks for joining us. Hello yeah nintendo voice chat right now. We're live we can't end. It was the switch pro. Yeah we'll we'll get to. The swish led model. Not being in a second but of course we're also joined this week by mexico the number one xbox podcast on god. I woke up the game. I don't even have to imagine the comments because we're doing this live until i'm the record. No of course we're going to be digging into the whole state of play presentation which we just saw about thirty minutes of some upcoming games coming to playstation four playstation five nps vr at not. Of course ps vr. To which just to get into the way of course if you didn't see be playstation blog announcement before the state of play. We learned that the next god of war horizon forbidden west. Nps vr to wouldn't be at the state of play so just to set expectations. We're not concerned about those. Not showing up. We'll talk maybe about what wasn't there. What could have been there. And all that sorta jazz as we go through. But i do want to talk about. What actually was there. And i want to start with death loop because that was the one that got served the murky presentation that was sort of the big advertise game of what was going to be here. We got a nine minute. Look of death loop a little bit more of the actual loop of what death loop is This is of course for those who don't know coming from arcane which is now an xbox own studio but they're making a playstation five launch exclusive for the moment The helpers of course dishonored and the most recent pray deathly. We've seen before it a couple of plays and gotten some very groovy trailers. I think the last of play in march or february whenever that was we got a sort of music video of death loop but this is probably the biggest chunk of gameplay. We've seen that yet Brand wanted to start with you. What what did you think of this latest look. And what are your overall sort of feelings on death loop as we approach it's launch At the game looks gorgeous. I feel like it looks a little bit better. Every time we see it It's aesthetically like kind of Just incredibly fun to look at just because it it really takes advantage of sort of a lot of stylistic decisions got some great sort of energy to it Some some great colors and stuff like that but the game play itself looks fun. The weapons are weird and crazy and kind of vintage sifi which i dig I don't know if i needed to see more minutes of game that like. I'm pretty excited for ready. But also you know This this is. This is part of their their sweet this year. Obviously they do want to give it some love. Yeah it definitely makes sense that we're seeing sort of a marquee one for this. I assume that means we probably won't get one of those sort of like one off state of plays that we've gotten for a few games like horizon and even stuff like destruction all stars that we've seen before but it definitely needed sort of a marquee look at what actual game play. Because i think we've a lot of very as you were saying like really good-looking stylized trailers but showing people with actual gameplay looks like a bit more makes a lot of sense for a show like this Matt i want to jump to. You actually don't know your history or whether you've played past arcane stuff but what did you think of this look and what are you. What are your thoughts on death. Loop in general yeah. I'm really excited for death lou. But i kind of right like. I've dabbled with dishonored and i've dabbled with with prey. But i never they never really kinda like gripped me in the same way that i'm really looking forward to death. i like the powers of cool like dishonored has really cool powers and the story is really great. I was actually just of bad at dishonored. And that was way worse at pray. But i don't know so maybe i might be bad at a this one too but we'll see yeah. I had the same problem. I've tried dishonored one. I want to say three times. And i'm just very bad at it. I just feel like. I'm awful but maybe death will solve that problem because the whole point of it is if you're bad new die what you just start again right down cold dark souls loop exactly Lived i repeat my favorite. Tom cruise. film max. I want to jump to you because we've talked about this definitely a bit before on the show and we were talking during the state of play and we sort of painted in this discussion. But like i'm just. I just want to play this game at this point totally a lot of it. What did you think of this latest luck. It's it's been an interesting game. Because i feel like when they first revealed that they had the cinematic trailer that kind of alluded to what the game play. The the the eponymous loop is actually about but didn't really show it in action and we felt like previous that sort of did i feel like this is the first time where what you're going to be. What you're doing is actually really clicked with me and the thing that made my sort of ears. Perk up is how much it resembles hitman like being able to sort of. You know where this person is going to be at this time. How are you going to off that person at that time at the location and the idea that there's some freedom in how you approach that is cool. It's definitely got some. You know some sort of rogue like souls like a elements to it there. Where i i like that. They said that what is it. Reprise is a is a power up. it's basically a second life. Yes you go back to your. I mean it's it's very souls to be like. Oh there's your there's your glowing corpse go pick up your crap you know. Go go get it out of style twice. It's interesting because the thing that i always loved about that. I fell madly in love with Hitman three earlier this year. I was late to the party on that whole assassination trilogy but like that was so much fun for me and what really i love about. That game is almost how sort of royalty free generic that world is like. It's very it's all very familiar. And this is kind of the exact opposite where it's like you've got wacky superpowers and everything is completely distinct and You know unique aesthetic. And it's i'm curious to see if it does like. I'm kinda like you guys. Where i've tried to get into our canes games a bunch but You know it's it's never really grabbed me. The the funny thing is one of the core mechanics of dishonored as the whole like. Was it like the chaos system. Where more you buy the harder it gets or the worst you know issue in this case. It's almost like hinging on that like it's it's a. It's you're supposed to die here you know. Yeah because the the goal at the end of the day i believe of the game is essentially. There is a number of people. You are set out to assassinate on this island and the whole point is to be able to do it all in one single loop Which obviously you're not gonna be able to do in loop one though. I'm sure i say that there's going to be a speed runner. Who doesn't like day. What the game comes out But yeah i i. It's a really interesting thing. Because all like i've heard such a claim constantly for arcane and i feel like this is the first one and maybe it's just after a year of like haiti's and maternal like it's been a very good time for rogue lights. I feel like finally a game like this might click with me with the fact that it lets you kind of just jumped through and even if you die took you'll get new weapons you'll get. You'll learn more about the area. It excites me in that way. But it's it's an interesting one. I just think at this point. Like i just wanna play will buckle up jonathan. Because i mean i think there's some bright futures playstation and arcane in the years ahead i think so too surely their next game whatever it may be. It's not like it's announced or anything won't be exclusive to another consul thing and just sorta on that note. I did want to touch very briefly on obviously wasn't here but another game when this was before. Of course Bethesda was acquired by xbox at the june showcase last year for the ps arcane announced death lupus aps five launch exclusive come to pc as well and tango gameworks announced gust wire tokyo coming to playstation five in pc as well we have really not seen goes wire in months. I want to say that. That feels like a stream. To where i think tentatively there was like a playstation trailer that dropped. Es then removed the dates of things that like pegged at for an october release. Ruin the sort of place of like bethesda is honoring these two games. But it's sort of like who who decide what gets promoted who decided to when these things take the spotlight like. I'm glad this game was here to state of play. But i don't i don't know how many of you feel it weird case to be where. Yeah who who who gets to stay with dad on the weekends or whatever it right like it does. It does feel like there's you know there's a lot of questions in sort of where the chips fall on this kind of weird custody battle that happened with this massive transaction between two video game companies. But i i hope we say it again soon. i mean if it becomes a multiply platform game so be it. I'm cool with that too. But what let's i feel like that. That's in the hands of lawyers right now. Which are like at least interesting people to talk about on a video cam platform. Unless they're phoenix right. Now i'd actually love to get into a little legal jargon loss jared segue. I'm skipping around a little bit. But i do want to. You gave me the segue. And i have to do it. Lost judgment got a new trailer. This is a game that we've we've seen revealed before it's a sequel to judgment That i like that. They're not just going judgment to or judgment her. I i like the sort of naming convention here. This is of course a. It started as a spin off of the yuccas a franchise but as yakuza went turn based with like a dragon. Most recently and matt. I believe you can speak to this a little bit more. They've sort of discussed. How like dragon yakuza. In general will sort of take on this more turn based rpg sort of scenario and judgment will let them still have their cake. Anita to by being a real time actions franchise. Yeah that was a really crazy announcement that that we were able to work with. So we spoke with negoti son when they announced judgment to or loss judgment into. I like earlier this spring and we were like. Yeah so is. What's the two pronged approach basically with between judgment and the series and. They did confirm to us that. Y'all starting with like a dragon is going to be turned based going forward and now if you want that classic. Rg studio action brawler. Feeling you're going to have to play judgment which is great because judgments great spinoff series. And so i really. Max i to thirty because i i've only played a few hours of judgment. Obviously nowhere near steeped into the franchises. You but like yuccas is our judgment. When i i played at definitely felt more like a a take on like case of the week crime investigation stories at seem to have the yakuza flair. But i didn't get far enough into it to know if it did wash judgment. Feels like it is. It is the yakuza game that you know you would expect. It feels like a kind of separated at birth like you know parent trap switcheroo where you've got the long running series about the the criminals in the street who beat people up and that becomes a turn based game with lots of stats and menus and then the game about a lawyer who talks to people in courtrooms looks for clues as become a real time. Beat him up. This is the main character is yoga. Me who is a former lawyer turned detective basically who Then we'll sort of kind of work with a with a law office to sort of solve mysteries and stuff. But you know he. Because he's not a lawyer. He can hit the street and a leather jacket. Do skateboard tricks. Beat the crap out of people. It's i'm excited about this. The first one was was good. It definitely had this sort of feeling of like them finding their footing. it felt dot light on features but not quite as sort of jam packed with them. Some you can kind of see the jump between games in the series but They had like they have like a little bit of par core. They had like drone racing. They had a You know some some wall running stuff and in this case they're clearly really leading into it and i'm i'm stoked to see kind of what they do with also apparently a sheba you know which is which is cool and he can make a bite people into i. That was a wonderful scene so it was just like the jumps between different mini games. I assume are elements of someone who doesn't know the franchise and obviously you do and brian. I don't wanna miss but you've been recently starting to pick up As well a little bit crack yeah. And i also play the first few hours of the first judgment game. I really like how More sort of vertical this going like. There's there's climbing wall running and stamina meter and stuff like that. I just love how fun these games are at sort of like presenting quasi serious themes but also mixing them with utter nonsense like sheba's and bike racing and stuff like that. That is one of my favorite things i've ever seen. Just like throwing a guy upside into a wall kicking him and then punching him in the belly until he falls on his head. That's great a more game. Should have that. So yeah. i'm totally into this Unfortunately i won't be able to catch up on all of the coups against before this comes out because this doesn't come out five years from now and those games take like eighty five hours each but i'll get there. I promise no. It does come out in september. It's a worldwide launch. And i want to talk about the the various release dates that we saw throughout this a little bit but yeah. I'm really send a jump back in max's. I know we have probably turned this question to you. A dozen times on the show but especially with loss judgment for people who might want to jump in. Do you think it's fine to just play judgment and then go to las judgment or should people be going back. Because i can't speak to it. I mean you could definitely get into judgment right off the bat. There's actually a surprising. Lack of overlap. Between that and yuccas like it's in the same universe but it's not like familiar character will will show up like a dragon is basically a fresh start. If you want to get to the. It's it's really good. I adored that game. However if you aren't familiar with With the series there is some stuff in there where you might get the full full effective it but judgment is you know. It's definitely a newer series. And if you want like a cool beat him up. That's kind of captures that same same appeal where you've got you know over serious main campaign and then completely wackadoo side missions and activities It's you know covers those bases and now there's now there's two of them. Yeah and yeah. I'm looking for jumping into the skateboarding. The boxing and the the racing whatever else oats when key thing yakuza. Like a dragon was the first game to be fully dubbed since the original. Ps two release whereas judgment is dubbed or subbed in. I mean this was the english language trailer But the first one was the first rpg game that they think had english voice acting to. Which is i know. that's that can be. Subtitles can be a dealbreaker for some people but You know that option from what i remember also from the first vr. I thought the english voice cast at a really solid job within as well but yeah this is a. I'm excited to see this franchise continue. I really really need to make the time to get into all of it. Even though apparently some of the games. I think you can just do like a sim in the middle of their and run Can't you run like businesses with became ceo. I became like an executive of like a cracker company and i wound up having a amusement park. That was run by a chicken and a giant roomba. So i don't even like finances but those that you sucked in well it sounds like fun micromanagement in the best way possible. And if you like to micromanage things one game that i loved that you micromanage your weight distribution is stranding because you got to carry a lot of heavy packages across long distances stranding directors coat was revealed a few weeks back at a key. Lease opening night live showcase. I wanna say And we got a teaser trailer for then. That was sort of very metal gear solid inspired but this latest trailer which also gives us release date again for september Let us see a little bit. More of what it's bringing that feels more like death stranding but also not the first thing i just got a point out his. There's a racing game in there now. Think that's the first thing that caught us all completely off guard mrs clearly. This is completely on brand for kajima. This is not. This is not weird. This is exactly what we've seen with like the majority of sort of version one point five's of metal gear games. He's been doing this since metal your solid to where. He was like the big. Shell needs more skateboards on it. And lo and behold he did and the seems like kind of more of the same in. That's in that sense. I'm so glad he got to finish his vision. Without the studio oversight that was all over the original death stranding you know the amount of times it can nami would kick in the door and be like wait. No that was entirely his own doing the other. So my question for this game is do you think. A lot of this content is going to sort of naturally. We've into the flow of the game. No like did you think that'd be standalone side stuff. Not you go ahead matt. You think it'll be no. I think it's just gonna be like you do a side question like hey by the way i just happened to have a post-apocalyptic racing track in my backyard. You should try it out. I i so yeah. Wh what i'm asking is like we'll be able to access it from the menu or is this going to just appear sort of like during a playthrough i think it would be something that appears during a play through but like you'll have to probably seek it out a little bit more I think stuff that like as the trailers playing as we go for those who were watching on video not listening to audio later but the there's a few new extra items that are also very amusing essentially will help you with package delivery and roussel like a buddy bought or a cannon to throw things. My assumption is those will be sort of like naturally peppered in the way that you unlocked other traverse items and things like that. I assume those will just kind of be you know put in throughout because the rest of the stuff but where was my race car in my robot. When i kept falling down that wet hill like those which one there were many in that game But yeah i met. I wanted thirty because he even playing it a little bit more. Recently you to eat play launch but you can playing distracting since then in in a year that felt very distracting. Like what are what are you like. Where were you in the game. And are you gonna pause your playthrough to jump into director's cut like where are you with the new version of the game. I'm i think i'm a. I think i'm like sixty or seventy percent of the way through. And yeah i did start at the beginning of the sort of year in which we were all sort of stuck inside which makes de stranding hit really different right like you going. You're going around this. Let's post buckled the grill. People are indoors or like we can't. We can't leave our homes. Thank you delivery for forgiving us connection to the outside world and was like yeah. I feel that that's a that's a pig mood. But no i'm having a great time with that game and I i don't know. I'm at a point where i feel like i'm close to the ending and so i feel like i kind of need to finish before playing the directors. It's i mean that bad part. If i start. If i was like earlier i definitely would have probably like wait. Wait until september. But i'm so close to the end and i oh my god i kinda. It's a tough game. It's kind of tough game to like restart you know. It's yeah i was just going to say it's kind of feels like a game that makes you go uphill both ways in the snow in some case literally and i you know i finished his game. I ground through it stupidly quickly before it was officially released and wanted to have all my thoughts on at night. I feel like it's the It's the classic seat in matilda where they make the boy. The entire cake in one sitting and i don't think i am interested in checking this out but i really hope there's some kind of safe transfer or like you know go like you played the first game. We see how many hours you sunk into it. You get the car. The cargo catapult from day one. Or like near you are. Here's all your crap on lock. It would be nice if it had sort of a new game plus approach. Because then i'd be down to poke around but you know it's it's it's a weird game it definitely it when it came out. Matt it was kinda stupid and then six months later it was really relevant in syria. So right like for months before it came out Could you most like you know i. I'm really looking at to save the world right now and this is sort of like my my my my thesis on on the current monday civilization and he was just six months early. You know yeah just off by a couple of months you know i really should replay this because since this game came out and i i played it a covert happened and then i had a kid so it might hit real different. Might be yeah. it's i i would say because maximum you're intimating on a little bit like you you crammed this game in and like a very short span and this is a game that i think like works. Best as a slow burn like it is absolutely not a game for everyone. I completely understand the false criticism. People have with it but like my my most entertaining moments of it were like i would go back to it. A couple of nights per rican. Just you know build a couple pieces of road and maybe go to like one outpost and then just drive along for a little bit and like people would give me a thumbs up. And i'd give them a thumbs up like there's there's something nice and methodical to that but as a like a thing to main line and rush this is not a game. It's also like it's a very weird sort of social game in that sense. It's kind of passive social interaction but at the same time you're in this isolated landscape and playing it like prelaunch there. Was you know people were building ramps and doing that stuff and it was all really cool but it didn't have the level of involvement that i think it would have if i'd waited three weeks or whatever you know people right yeah i i don't know if we're going to have to build that entire race course or not. I hope i hope not gonna take a while. What go ahead no i. I think what's really cool seeing like. I feel like kajima is a brilliant dude. And he's got a bunch of weird little ideas and we're big ideas and this is i feel like we're going to get a bunch of his napkin sketches here which is super cool stuff that maybe wouldn't have worked as an entire game weird concepts and designs and characters and settings and themes and stuff like that And just you know weird vehicles and robots and stuff. I i love. I love like when he can commit to something like that as a full game but also seeing a bunch of those small things is great. I mean even if you didn't like this game you can't not be happy for the people who did getting a whole bunch of weird new toys to play within the sandbox. You know yeah go ahead. No you go ahead. Yeah two thoughts one. Sirius one less series but the but first thing is i'm playing straining on right and i think aloud improvements over the ps four version again. Ps five way faster loading times Is going to help a ton for people The ps four low times were a nightmare and My computer can load up after a death in like a couple seconds and i think. Ps five players gonna get same thing and it just makes a world of difference and the second thought is a joke about bloodborne cart. Yeah yeah i like. How could you just gonna make stranding card. Yeah i mean hey if you just need a new car game just put it in an existing game proud yet. It's an interesting one and brian. You're joking a little bit about it earlier. But sort of like the director's cut naming of it. I feel like between this and goes decision. Director's cut is just a thing. Sony is doing and not necessarily like a per- like true to the game because as like as you're saying the whole point of de-stressing was letting kajima have his vision. I on unencumbered by the corporate oversight that you know it was me up in so much economic drama. It's brilliant branding. If you think about sony What they're trying to do with is sort of presenting games as these massive cinematic experiences. And it's brilliant. Branding if you don't think about it for more than three seconds at all 'cause like the directors who made these games may they're continuing to make these games and like this. This isn't really like a a snyder cut situation. Where like they. They locked the studio and they're like don't stop coming in here photo shopping. All the you know the weird alien minutes of the movie and it's also it's a mix of refinements in new additions like the the combat will be improved here but they're also be just new big battles in the same way that like ghost will have a new island to go visit but is also making updates like the the vocal track they. They will have the facial dubbing or the the facial animation matched to the japanese voice tracked. So it's like the. It's a mixture of things that i think makes sense. Director's cut is just a that as you said it makes sense for what position wants you to think of their studios. But it's you know it's there. I mean is honey with or shifts to playstation studios at very much kind of fits that you know kind of like naming convention but i. It's it's also it's it's so much less tacky than like game of the year edition. Which is what we used to get for. This kind of ryan was the this makes it feel like oh this is this is the final version as opposed to like this is the version. That's it's got the quotes on the box in it's You twenty bucks cheaper. Maybe no not really. Yeah rollover batman yes exactly and it's got a garish light. Greatest hits collection yet under ribbon somewhere in the box. Art isn't it doesn't match the rest of your other games. here we go. I didn't see any monkeys. You can pet in a district. Directors cut so ghosts tsushima still has the edge right now but i got we got we should. We should do a comparison because they did. They did not add race cars to go sushi. So there's you know. pick your racing. We don't know that you take you. Take the bad I was going to keep going. But i don't need to reference a fifty year old anyway moving on from there. There were a few other games. That i think are worth bringing up in including. Let's talk about what started the show. Because i think it speaks to. What wasn't there in an interesting way Moss to was was announced This is of course sequel to a pretty beloved probably one of the more beloved. ps vr titles available on other vr. Headsets as well but must to was brand new announced at the beginning of the state of play just for playstation vr. So of course before the show they had said. Ps vr to gen ps vr. Whatever they wanna call. It wouldn't be here so this means that this is probably a little bit closer on the horizon. Then vr to like. I wanna talk about what we think. It means for for the next headset but Moss i thought was a really really charming For the first round of what. Psbr could do. I hope this sequel takes into account like a lot of the advancement some other Psbr games in vr. In general have made but brian would you think about this announcement. I love the first moss. It's one of my favorite. Vr games ever. It's adorable. I think it does really smart things that you can't really pick up on his trailer. Where a lot of the are games. Have you sort of play in first person. Interact with stuff but there's also the ones that sort of let you look down on something as if it was happening in you know a little stream in your backyard or on a table in front of you And the this thing. This game does a really good job of playing with scale again. When you're just looking at here you wouldn't really know. But when you're actually experiencing this in vr looking down on it As as like small miniatures running around on the table. I love that so much I do think that the timing on this is very odd and that has nothing to do with the studio making this game. It looks awesome but for sony themselves to sort of be in that weird window between psbr which is not really a thing that anyone is is seeking out anymore I don't really. I can't even imagine how many of those they're selling every single month right now it's probably abysmally low Especially because it's it doesn't really like nothing about the. Ps five to the average consumer is screaming. You need a ps vr. For this right now you know And then we saw that. We were playstation blog. Thing where they're like. Hey we have the Psbr too is in the works where we can't show it to you yet and so i think it's interesting to like not have an e three press conference have a state of play a month later. Kick it off with vr game. That works you know with your hardware from five years ago. Whatever that uses controllers from twelve years ago and then not have anything to say about your new vr system yet. I just like i. I'm glad for the behalf on behalf of the developers that they gave moss to showcase. That's that's awesome i. It's it felt weird and and an off to kick off the show with a game that you know is a ostensibly on my very last gen hardware at this point. Especially unless enough for say Mistaken not forsake per se unless i'm forsaken by the playstation god's among us No this was the only vr game as far as number at least the only like vr only game and yet. It's a very weird time for vr. Because it's definitely as you were saying like it's five-year-old vr tech using controllers from a decade ago We know there's something new on the horizon. I i just like i really hope. The game is great. But i also can't help but think but what if they were just allowed to take advantage of the are too and that's not to say like they probably can do a remastered version for vr to. I'm sure like look great and play great as you said. I'm really happy for these dubs because it's a great game and can't wait to have more of this world but it's it's a very strange moment for ps vr. So i have. I have a theory there. The first moss was timed exclusive for ps vr. Then came to like quest and vibe and all that other stuff if the playstation vr to is further away than you know maybe we think it is if it's if it's still a year and a half off or whatever and this is also timed exclusive for that maybe the is want to get it out there you know maybe they just want to get out for. Ps four and then eventually it can come to a ps vr. To or whatever but it you know if they've got a time to exclusive exclusivity window like i can assume that the maybe they don't want to wait around for You know for the second iteration. Psbr to show up and right. I mean i'm completely i'm just. I'm you know spitballing here. But no i mean could you imagine them. Could you imagine sony launching new hardware right now like when they can't can't buy their other hardware you can't buy their other hardware like the install base for ps vr was it it was like we numbers Which at the time made it one of the best selling Vr headsets right on the market. But i can't even imagine them being like you know. Let's take the amount of ps five owners right now out there and then i asked them to buy into another three hundred four hundred five hundred dollar ecosystem on houses really weird thing to kick off this state of play with wesley. Yeah i mean like yeah. I was just going to say like speaking o'brien's like super excited like in a vacuum for this game. Very happy for the dubs to be able to have it out there but yet it is a it is a strange marker of what's here especially because so much of this The state of play was focused on the next three months. Like this was really about july. August september for the most part And so to have this one. In here i just briefly. I want to point to ryan. Mccaffrey actually spoke to the developers of this. He's a huge loss. Probably the biggest fan on the team so he spoke to the davos for this announcement and They said one that this the biggest piece of feedback was just that people wanted more of the game. So this one is definitely going to be a larger experience but He asked about espn and they said we don't have anything to talk about regarding action plans at this moment but they haven't announced any sort of release date as well. So it's it's a strange moment for this game and for ps vr. But yeah i. They showed off the vr next-gen vr controllers. Like a couple months back which seemed shockingly early but Excuse me like with console shortage. I don't know how you feel but like with council shortage Shortage all these sorts of things. Like i thought maybe. Ps vr to come in twenty twenty. Two i'm now thinking probably not till twenty twenty three. Maybe right maybe late. Twenty twenty two. It just doesn't feel like the right time. i think i mean. I think the only sense of urgency. I would feel if i was sony that the playstation vr no longer the most accessible vr headset on right now. They've got major competition from the quest and like every year there's no consumer grade competitor alternative facebook keep consolidating that sort of casual vr market. I know i know exactly how to solve this. I can tell this right here. sony bundle. Ps vr to with ps five. And sell it for a dollar. Less than the average scalper sells the average is five and you will still sell. Ps five units. You have a one to one. Conversion rate of anybody pyingyang. Ps vr stella. Santa loan option to for people like me. They're already have a. Ps ps five. That's the only way to do it because they're selling every single. Ps five they make and so if they glue it to something else by that logic. It's got sell to connect in the xbox one could exciting days ahead regardless but yet congrats to the moss team on poly four announcing very excited to play it but yes a very interesting time to be a ps vr owner. Want offing are. Yes i think it would be really cool if they use this game to show off the vr to whenever it happens because we know what it looks like aps vr even even if you haven't played it in vr. I feel like it's a very. It's very clean aesthetics. You kind of get a sense of like what graphically it's capable of if you know the the next. Psbr iteration is a capable of doing way more which obviously it will be that. I think it's a very. It's very easy to do sort of side-by-side graphics comparison of like. Here's what it looked like on the last one. Here's what it looks like on the new one and you can see the mouses hair as opposed to just being sort of a round white shape just to quickly double back also breaking news. The playstation from blog post for strengthening has finally gone up as we're talking and speaking to the safe transfer thing they do. Confirm that saves will be transferable director's cut. Yep that is that. That makes me so much more excited to play that thing. Because i was like i want dip in but i don't know if i'm going to play seventy eighty hours of him but yeah that's a that's a very good time They also mentioned. It will include haptic feedback. Bespoke adaptive trigger resistance Three d audio ultrafast. Ssd loading and then we'll have to Picture modes performance mode with upscale for k. And up to sixty frames per second or fidelity mode in native for k Both with ultra-wide and hd our support. I feel like you'll sense is going to be awesome in this game over different types of terrain and i feel like three d audio for the baby. Screaming is going to be the worst thing i've ever heard. How do you imagine the the feeling in your hands. When you're trying to like wade through that goop gupo yeah right. I i mean could. She made a gameboy advance game or published. One where you had to go outside to charge up vampire killing sunlight gun. So i feel like giving him a thing with haptic feedback is going to yield some interesting results. And i i. I know what it feels like to to calm a real baby. I don't know what it feels like to call him a bb when i'm being attacked by buddy-buddies from down stranding you're going to get three d audio if your kid starts crying like a really bad game to play like my kids asleep migra knee audio but then maybe it's going to be screaming out of the controller and it's going to be the same size speaker. It's not. that's going to be like how they shot the matrix but which just babies crying on the fourth of july matt anyway blown past that just as good a little bit more to they do mention the blog post basically addressing what we just spoke about. It's almost like they're listening The new content isn't simply bolted on. Either it's been carefully woven into the core game experience and we'll be made available through discovery as you play. Most of the content is fairly easy to find. Though there are some bits and pieces that will take some time to find an walk also. Interestingly all of the content from the pc version that was the half-life in cyberpunk dlc content they added we'll be available in the director's cut which is funny So yes so. So you're saves carry over but to experience all the new content you will find it naturally through playing the game so my guess is that basically like if you were starting it up for the first time it will just be woven in but if you are my my guess is like if you are jumping into a late game save. You'll get you know calls to you. That are like oh by the way. Have you checked over here. Something changed in. That area is probably a race car. Driver calls you and then like a speed ramp guy calls. I mean that's how they wove into cyberpunk. Dlc right is that you got an email like hey remember. This old area fast travel there. There's something weird in check thing. And i think it's going to be all stuff like that. I just to quickly bring in Some comments from the community foam knuckles. Said i'm going to give the director's cut. Try just looks really interesting and out of my comfort zone which you need some time so you don't get to stuck in the same cycle of games and yeah there are few things to compare de-stressing to so definitely if you're looking for something a little bit outside of the cycled games. Though maybe not the cycle of life death stranding might be across free paper. Boy yoshi island space. There you go you got you got it in one moving on from there a few things to just quickly mention Seafood got another trailer. This was premiered at a state of play earlier this year as well really cool looking beat them up action game from the makers of. Oh god i just blanked game over. Thank you thank you for that Really cool looking game as we all sort of joked about during the show and an author to you one of the most interesting delays. I've seen every a trailer. Yeah so the whole sort of like gameplay trailer thing shows a lot of different like sort of numbers that are with emotion graphic moving around and then at the end of the trailer through to the release date which we all thought was twenty twenty one and then changed the twenty twenty two which totally sucks like they. They made like a custom animation for a game day. Which i guess is funny like is in you know. In retrospect but in the moment i was like what. That don't don't do that that like i. I really wanted to play this game this year. This is like one of my most anticipated playstation games this year. And it's not this year anymore and they threw a clever animation. Which i felt a little cruel i it was just. It was really funny because it. It's mirroring as you may have seen the trailer. It's mirroring sort of the the agent up because your character every time you die. I believe you're your new characters. A little bit older and so it was mirroring. The like age effect for their transitions. They were using but yeah when it changed. I thought it was going to give us the date and russia's really funny to be like oh they're changing from the year to the end. No it's just a a year later. The release date has aged as much as your character. They should have been like you and then they put your age and then it just gets it. Nonetheless still looks really cool as brian was saying like. Can we play this one. I believe during the premier matt you're saying during the show but you spoke to the developers earlier this year when the game was revealed. A tick a little bit further. People go check that out from a few months back if they want to here. Yeah it's cool. it's a cool game. Developers are very nice people and they seem really you know a lot of them at the studio Learned shelling kung-fu. I think one of their founders is a big practitioner and because he's a big practitioner allowed the other devs like started joining him. And so now. I guess like half the team just practice kung fu in france because of of this game and good for them. So i'm really excited for it bringing people together Moving on from there a couple of the other. Cool indies. That were shown off Jet the far shore which. I believe debuted at that june showcase last year for the ps five as well This is the latest game. From these orden sorcery. Dad's we got a bit of a lengthier deep dive into this one. Max what it. What did you think of this one because you were. I think you're comparing it to a couple of games that that seemed to track with while we were talking. Sort of like flower. Ish was i say i don't know if i would. You say that. I said max but max or matt any of that was there might have been mad. Who said that. I mean it's it. Looks like a very kind of chill spacey. Kind of indie game I i'm kind of getting a tacoma vibes from the crew. You know like the you've got this strange group of characters that i guess you're going to get to know. And then the bulk of the game seems to be flying around in this little hopping jet spaceship. But then there's also first-person shots of climbing ladders. And then you show the crew hanging out eating. I think curry. And it's a yeah. It looks it. Looks definitely like one of those kind of you know a for for want to be blunt about it. Looks kind of like death stranding if you pull the camera back really far faster which seems like a nice kind of laid back experience but yeah. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this game looks like. A sword and sorcery is definitely gonna conventional game in any sense. So i it's you know this. This looks like it could be really interesting. I got real. You remember the opening shots of premier theus where that big raisman withstanding wonderful. I got like that was the only thing that i was thinking. I kept watching this trailer. I see that what if you made a whole game out of those those five minutes of like beautiful nature just that five minutes of really interesting for me. Theus mystery but the movie happen. Yeah we will talk about that. I know yeah. I think this one looks really cool in the pedigree of the studio is a really awesome one. Yeah i'm just curious to to know like this shuttle lot more gameplay than i think we've seen before but i'm just really interested to be like what is an hour playing this game. Look like you're right. It bounces between different perspectives. Different things you're doing in the ship out of the ship. I just kind of want to know what we're going to be doing. You know for a chunk of it. But i'm definitely excited to see more of this one. A few of the other games just to mention that also popped up during the show Arcade again was announced in early access. Today this is from the ill phonic devs. Who if you don't know made predator hunting grounds. This is their latest game. Free of an ip. It's it's not related to any sort of existing establish brand as they make clear in the trailer. It's available in early access right now. Matt i do believe you had brought this up before it happened and then when it happened. some s- platoon vibes definitely in there a little bit one hundred percent. Yeah i've be. You know i mean. It's a multiplayer p. p. ish with colorful goo colorful goo right the the connecting thread. It's a way to between split to this game and stranding there you go yeah it it looks cool. I'll definitely give it a try. It's nice that certainly access. And i believe we can just jump in today. S five so. If you're ps five player you might already be playing that as you're listening to us just very briefly. Want to mention fist aka forged in shadow. Torch is coming on september seventh. that was the to d- bunny game. That looks pretty cool as well We got a post launch plan to look at tribes of mid guard which comes out a little bit later this month. I believe the last week of the month we got word of hunters arena which is a thirty player battle royale coming to ps four nps five in august august third drops and then a few other updates from various other games But i don't want to talk just about overall impressions before we wrap up because we were talking a little bit during the show brian. I guess we'll start with you You know playstation wasn't at e three this year this is their first postie three event Sort of after everyone else has gone. We haven't heard from a we saw the horizon been west. Forgive me state of play right before e three but before that it was the state of play in march or february. What what did you think of this as a like a post e three showing for that. Do you feel like we're just not going to get big shows from them anymore because this felt sort of like a brief check and not like a. Here's everything playstation. Yeah i think you totally just nailed a contractually. Like that makes a major difference. Here is that this is still sort of within. The you know three was three or four weeks ago. So we're still sort of passing anat a little bit right. There was a ton of announcements there. That people are still really excited about. People are looking at john watching the trailers over every single day. And so this feels like not only. Did they miss that party. But they kinda showed up a month late with you know just a couple of a couple of beers in some snacks which is good. You know that's fun. We can hang out but like this. This doesn't really feel like they were part of the big conversation this year And in terms of the pacing on this thing that it was interesting and it had some good ideas. I'm a little bummed that it didn't have a one more surprise type thing But on the flip side ending with death loop means that. If you didn't like it you could have stopped watching. Assuming you also didn't think it'd be like a post credits stinger like everything has now but yeah all in all i mean it. It's it didn't really feel like a big hyped event. It has nicole stuff in it that i'm excited to play It was nice to hear from them. So i won't. I won't complain. Yeah it's a i. I'm really happy at the very least that they set expectations for these. They really seem to have been burned. By the first couple's data plays. And i think putting in like you know we're not doing god of war horizon. Psbr to at this. It helps kind of. Put your expectations in check. That this is not the future of playstation. This is the next couple of weeks of playstation max. Obviously we've been covering a lot of these playstation showcases the last few years since they adopted the state of play model. What did what did you think of the show of rollin. What did you feel like was this. The right i post e-3 move for that. I mean what. If we're going with the the social gathering comparison. I feel like this is less showing up to a party late with a few beers and snacks. this feels more like showing up You skip the wedding. You're showing up midway through the reception and your horribly under dress like this is this is obviously a bunch of really cool games and i think it is good. That sony definitely like you know told us to sort of keep our expectations in check. But it's also just makes me wonder. When are they gonna show the big stuff like they put out a new console last year and then they skip. D three like whoa. When are we going to see some big exciting stuff. I i mean we've got. We got that big. You know that was it. The future of the future of gaming whatever with the big. ps five reveal. That happened last summer which wasn't a state of play that was treated like its own kind of standalone event. So i don't know if we're going to get another one of those that's treated as a much more spectacular sort of tent pole event But you know this. This just felt this was. I mean it was it was it was underwhelming. I say it it was there. There is some cool games in there. But as like a as a just an overall reveal of of new games in the middle of the summer. When i i assume that sony was just sort of sitting on on something and they i mean i hope they are. They put out a new system last. Yeah i mean it was. This was this was. This was whatever there was. There was some cool stuff. But i you know i'm not. I'm not super excited about what about you for. What would you think the show. Yeah i mean. I'm with max like we know they're cool things coming down the pipeline for playstation like we know from last year's event afoul fancy sixteen is heavily tied together with the place asian ecosystems. I'm not worried about about the future but it does seem like there. Is something strange like you kind of we kinda talked about it briefly but like they announced playstation. Vr too but as a blog they sort of showed the controller a couple of weeks later and then they did the state of play thing and they did a separate forbidden west thing it. It feels fractured and it. And it's not sort of the trend that we're seeing right lane intended to wrecks and other third party publishers. An xbox doing this one big show or the next couple of steps playstation sort of just throwing random. Bits and bobs across couple of months. And it doesn't feel great to be honest. I don't know if i don't if it's an intentional strategy. I don't think it's working out for them to be honest. It's it's definitely weird cadence. Because i think like how'd you put this together with the horizon. Forbidden west state of play. You would have had an hour show. That would have been anchored around a really cool thing and i think we'd be talking about it in a different way Especially if like opened with death loop closed with horizon. You have this really big sort of moment. It is a really strange thing and i. I don't know what the kid is going to be going forward. It's it's a weird one. I as i said this covered the next few months but we didn't see stuff like qena bridge of spirits which is coming in august and supposed to be really big. Why wasn't the goes decision announcement here instead of as you know ran a blog post. I feel like there could have been more to we. We didn't see stuff like little little devil inside which was at the showcase last year. That a lot of people were hoping would be out by now. I think there was a leak trailer. That's july or so that people are looking for that. It's been a strange time for playstation. We're we're definitely looking at a lot of exciting things ahead but sort of a very immediate roadmap not a lengthy one so we'll we'll have to continue following these as they happen. I'm sure we'll have more state of place to come Brian max matt. Thank you all so much for joining me for this week's episode as always you can find us. You can find us all on twitter. I'm at jam dornbush. Brian is at agent fizzle. Max is at mexico. Ville and matt is at law of td correct awesome. I haven't had to do it on the show before so But anyway thank you all so much for joining us and thank you for everyone out there. Who watched who tuned in live or if you're watching. 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God of War Ragnarok, Wolverine, and Spider-Man 2 Wow Us At the PlayStation Showcase - Podcast Beyond!

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God of War Ragnarok, Wolverine, and Spider-Man 2 Wow Us At the PlayStation Showcase - Podcast Beyond!

"Beyond an hello everyone. My name is jonathan bush and this is a very special live episode of podcast beyond where we are reacting right after the playstation showcase that we just saw the first proper playstation showcase since late last year This was intended to give us a look ahead at what's to come for the ps five and the piece for a little bit. I we have a lot to dig into so without further. Do let me introduce the rest of my cast. I'm joined this week by brian. Altana snick snicked bub. Oh god r- already there Lucy o'brien is also with us on this. This week's episode. Thank you for being the noise. Snick it is nick. Yeah yeah of course. We're we're referring to alan. Wake here but we'll get to that in a bit. We're also joined this week by matt. Kim i almost just called you. Alan wake hello matt. Classic alan wig. No we there wasn't elderly trailer in the show. But we do actually have a lot to jump into. I do wanna get sort of like brief overview thought and then want to jump into some of the specifics so brian i'll start with you just like very top line very quickly. What did you think of the showcase overall It took a little while to get going. But then i think they really hit the pedal to the metal for the last twenty minutes not including the card game which i wasn't interested in all the games that they are announcing towards the vitamin to wolverine. More war just lots and lots of really great stuff. That's that's what i'm looking for. And they delivered their so. Yeah yeah lizzy. What about you. How'd you feel about it. Yeah i mean. It didn't help that. There was a lot of hype. There are people saying. Oh sony's this is gonna be the biggest shore for sony blah blah blah blah blah. So i think for me personally. My high levels will vary high inside because it started off kind of slowly. I was like. When is this going to start. You know when is the show gonna stop ns. but then. i'm looking for a nort's for what was actually showing off. And ultimately. I think it was a really strong shore. I mean like yes it did take a while to get to the heavy hitters but like there was some fantastic stuff sprinkled through. This is spoken ellen. White remastered ghost. Why tokyo. I mean there were a lot of good things among the big talking points as well. Yeah i feel like it's definitely safe to say in the beginning we all i. At least i felt a lot like the you know not gonna lie. Almost had me in the first half sort of mean was where we were kind of at for for the beginning. But it really got going map before. We jump into specifics. Just want to get your overall thoughts as well. Yeah it finished super strong and to sort of wrap it all together. The the ending of the show was sort of a a playstation studios. I party update. We finally got a first looks at game for god of war surprise. It's called god of war ragnarok and a few other things but i want to start with the insomniac of at all because we got to confirmed insomniac games here and i just kind of want to set the groundwork right now insomniac. Since being acquired by playstation for the ps five has done ratchet clank ripped apart spiderman. Miles morales nps five update for spiderman remastered Now we're getting Two games from them you know. We're getting wolverine and spiderman too. I think you know to go back to brian. you're opening let's start with wolverine. I think we can all attest. I was a giddy little child when that trailer came up. what was your sort of reaction to it. I mean it's fantastic. I think you just nailed it to an insomniac is is not handedly holding up the ps five right now. But they are doing a lot of heavy lifting This is awesome. We haven't had like a dedicated wolverine game in quite some time we were talking before the show about the time game that came with the wolverine movie that most people didn't like but the game itself was really cool This feels like aesthetically. Exactly what i want. From a wolverine game it's obviously a little bit bloodier than the last few insomniac games. You saw the clause pop out a. We've already been sort of digging through a lot of specific little details here. The cash register has nineteen seventy four on. It took me a minute to realize that's when the character was created There's a license plate. That says holck h. l. k. So i feeling burned me pouring through this this little teaser for awhile. It does feel like this is always off which is fine. Take your time. i'm really happy it's happening I i'm hoping it's a an open world ish game There's this allows them to get into a lot of the grittier darker corners of the mc you or the marvel marvel licenses and properties that spiderman doesn't necessarily touch on it as being slightly campy your thing so i'm tremendously excited for this. This is one of those perfect pairings. When we heard a couple years ago about marvel kind of opening up the vaults companies being able to make games you know. I think we're all sort of like. Yeah but when are we going to an expert gamer. wolverine game Like i have an excellent game running on my arcade cabinet right. I'm so excited for that. So yeah i don't wanna hog the air but this is this to me. Is the biggest announcement this show by far. Oh no please we can. I can talk about this the whole show. Yeah i am x. Men is like my foundation for comic books. And superheroes like it is what got me into marvel and comic books. In general it is the thing i most associate to a out of that universe or any of those and the fact that insomniac is doing it after they proved what they could do with spiderman is just it's perfect. It's it makes me so happy like it is hard for me to contain composure. Because i just like oh yes of course keep giving them marble games. Because they've proven they can knock it out at the park on every level This is real exciting. I'm with you. I hope it is a little bit more darker grittier than spiderman. Let's us explore some of those corners of the universe. Lucy what did you think about this announcement also just you know in conjunction with what insomniac is putting out these days. Yeah i'm with. You don't are like i x. Men were micromax as well. When i was growing up and i very very intrigued to see what they do with his character. I mean we've really only had a set of singular. I mean outside. Of the cartoons. Back in the day we've only really had huge ackman's logan in our To represent the wolverine character outside of the comics for so long. And so this is gonna be really interesting said of case study. I think that they did in some Job with pita pockets with vitamin and. I'm very curious where they're going to take this character. I mean obviously it will be adopted game. It has today because logan is daca character. But it's going to be separate from the hugh jackman character and and standalone as pita pocketed from any number of the cinematic spike's. So as as much as i'm looking forward to what they're doing with gang play. I'm really excited to say how they're going to actually bring this character to life in. Who's gonna full him. Yeah i'm i'm very curious about that. You're you're totally right like. He's such a storied character but in sort of like the modern consciousness. It's hard not to think of hugh jackman is wolverine sort of uncanny valley happening with gardens the galaxy trailer which we just saw earlier too. So you're i think you'd hope i hadn't even thought of that. Lucy you're right. Yeah it's it's gonna be really interesting to see that matt. I want to get your reaction to it but also just in general like do you think this is. I think they're going to you. Know somehow tie these things together. I don't think it's going to be separate but do you assume we're kind of getting insomniac marvel universe now. Oh yeah. I mean. I think the the the doors are wide open right. You like you give them spiderman you give them you give them all reno who's next is obviously a real question now because there could be a possibility. My biggest question though is honestly like what. What's the style it'd be like is going to be like an open world. Sandbox you wolverine game. Where is it going to be a little more linear l'amour l'amour story driven. You know or single player esque right. So i'm really curious about about that move. Yeah it's hard to imagine you know they do have their open world for spiderman. But it's kind of weird to think. Oh yeah we'll have an open. World is wolverine. Is he just running around the streets of manhattan. Kind of huffman it through like. That's not what you want out of at least not khalifa. He can leap he can. Yes not as much as hope but he can leave. He's got sick motorcycle too so he's very there could be. There is motorcycle tech and the playstation studios family with days gone. So maybe they can marry that with wolverine and we can see what happens We all know that's how video games get made exactly motorcycle paste it and assuming that it takes place in new york and spiderman swinging in the back of the game. I mean for me. It's i think you are someone else's pointing out the goodman street Someone on the staff has pointed out that that's a reference to former marvel. Ese possibly but like greenwich street is mentioned there. So like i assume at least some of this is set in new york. Right right I don't know the specific diner. He may be sitting up. Ryan may be. Perhaps you know better than me. Diner from seinfeld star. It's the same. It's i think it's a setup for that. I honestly in greenwich village of no. Of course we're we're seeing a little bit of game from the spiderman trailer as well which is worth pointing to because as you were saying. We don't have released eight for wolverine. We don't really have to full the scope of where it is in production but marvel spiderman two. I'm calling it for now until we get another title is coming in twenty twenty three. We got that released at brian. A thirty i. What did you feel about getting you know a couple years from now. Release date for this it you know. I guess it's it's refreshing because everything's been twenty twenty two for all of twenty twenty one so it's cool. They shake it up. Throw in twenty twenty three out there. I had actually thought of that year yet. I know naturally it's coming but that's not really i. I've been so focused on. Like how do we get the big games this year. So many games q. One next year Personally i'm just. I'm really happy that they're they're finally not finally. But they're they're doing venom I remember we we. We'd theorize about this for a very long time. I think everybody this is a natural progression for these games right but it's it's also just awesome that see these two spider-man's or spiderman team up you know. Hopefully that's something that we're going to see in movie form soon but also in twenty twenty three. Hopefully we'll get the switch between those characters on the fly so that'd be awesome. Yeah according to the playstation blog it is marvel spiderman too so again it feels like a good marriage of of what come so far luciano. We've talked about it. We interviewed the director of miles. Morales last year. And obviously we've been talking about spiderman since the initial release Where was your excitement level for it after seeing the trailer and kind of knowing we've got miles we've got peter and murray seem to be getting a bit of a darker tale from them as well. I mean yeah. We didn't see much story aside from little flashes you know vinny mc sitter. One thing that i'm kind of interested in is if you can switch between the two characters does that mean that. There's a potential slugged lack of two player experience. Because that would be extremely cool if you could have had one play miles Peter and they've got different skill sets. That could be really exciting but again you know this this to me is more like okay. I'm really interested in a deep dive on the game. Play that we saw. I haven't had a chance to really watch it again since we just saw it. But i think there's a lot to us of crunch into him. Team is currently pulling together a trailer breakdowns lookout for that. But yet you know look i. I love both spider-man's and i'm extremely extremely start fought for this one end that particular team. I wanna see more of the dynamic between miles of pita life. I love their relationship. I wanna see more of a mile. Obviously without spoilers really came into his own at the end of his story. And so. I'm excited to see the two of them. Were kind of both sure headed spiders ban being able to take on enemies together. I do want to point out the playstation blog post for spiderman confirms that the original candyman himself. Tony todd is voicing vent why would really cool and got a voice. I mean we heard a little bit of the trailer. That was great. Yeah we we got a little bit of voice in the trailer mad. I do want to get your thoughts on it we. We were talking a little bit as the show. Was going on the teaser. It felt like obviously there's veneman their receive atoms face. It felt like there might be points to craven the hunter as well. Maybe in there. Maybe that's just us reading into things. It's hard to say but Where were you sort of like at the end of that trailer your expectations for for a new spiderman adventure. Where does it set you off on that level. I mean i was saying when we when we're talking about the show. I'm pretty confident that we heard two different bill invoices in that trailer. And i think the first one is craven but that will leave that for the trailer breakdown. putting together i. You know i'm excited. I i know kind of already takes nexans. Insomniac has already made two very good spiderman game. So i'm going to be honest. Like i was not surprised only because i know i knew spiderman was always in the cards and i of always expected this team. I kind of always like venom was going to be in. It's actually. It's just nice seeing it but i we already kind of got the pieces together for this. You know as you said we knew they were going to be big things in the show and we did. We did get a big thing here but yeah it's it's very cool to see that all confirmed twenty twenty three makes sense. I don't know how you feel. I was trying to. I was really going through this before the show of like. I feel like we might see spiderman but it just didn't seem like it would make sense for next year because putting out horizon god of war and spiderman in a single year just kind of feels like a little like overkill like spreading things out. Seems like a good idea but yes especially for a council that you still cannot buy and that there were no announcements on that being any easier and that we know from chip shortages Which still does sound like a the name of a seventies baseball player. Then we might not be able to buy this council or the average consumer might not be able to get it for a while so twenty twenty three is maybe the same day you'll be able to finally walk into target in get a ps five. Who know it's definitely a good time for people. And i will say we're going to have to go to a break in a little bit so i wanna say full sort of of war thought because i think that's the next thing to jump into after this of course but you know. I have been so impressed by what until next done since. They officially joined the playstation family. I i believe it was twenty nineteen. I think it happened like right around games. Come that year and just them continuing to knock it out of the park like this. I love that they've got this corner of a marvel universe. Maybe lucy just wrap up with you. You know we've seen a few more playstation acquisitions. recently. I feel like you know. Insomniac has more than proved their mettle. Do hope we continue. See other things from them or use like. Where do you sit in terms of them being like a marvel house versus the other ingenuity. Dc from them. That's interesting honestly. I was just thinking about that. I mean it was a moment with someone said you know when we were talking on up among ourselves during the shore and someone was like Infamous you know. And it's it's it's sort of like this. It would be nice. I mean i know. Infants sucker punch It would be nice to see more of that kind of original style. I ip combat. I do i do love. I do love that. That we have these properties now but it would be great to see Insomniac in particular be able to flex a little bit outside of the the model properties. That will say i mean they making sunny motor money right now and and maybe a proviso okay. After this one you know you have to spy can go out and make something completely ritual the the one for me one for you. Sort of methodology eggs yeah. I'm really hoping we get to see them. Do stuff whenever. Ps to becomes a thing because they've done vr work before. And i'm hoping that we can get to see a little bit from them But quickly before we go to break. Brian matches any sort of last on the insomniac sort of you know big centerpiece moments from today's show. I mean i'm a little split. Because i love lucy's saying about like getting kind of those games that aren't on based on billion dollar reputable recognizable. Ip's but on the flip side. She's right they make them so much money. And it's like why they're not gonna reach for the off brand cereal bags of the bottom and they get the big stuff on the shelf so yeah. I don't know i. I'm glad they're sticking with what works spider-man's awesome wolverines going to be great and i. Yeah i'd love to see more strange stuff from them in the future. But until then i'm happy with marvel games being good again doctor. Strange i was gonna say like lightning round before break who what marvel characters should they take next if they continue to go down this markle train. You guys go. i don't do that. Gambit gambit gamut gambling. I'm going to say. I believe he was an x. Men called maggot where he just had to weird maggots on his arms and that was all he was a weird i remember him from the exiting the company anyway. I'm say towed. Larry anyway we've got to go to a break but we'll be right back with more to talk about including god of war regular. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back. Hello and welcome back to podcast beyond i'm your host. Jonathan bush joined by brian. Lucy and match talk about everything. Going on in this very packed playstation showcase We just got done talking a little bit about the insomniac of it. All with wolverine and spider man to now. I'm focused too. I think the other major major. I party reveal which was of course. Finally not just the name reveal. Which i think it's fair to say none of us saw coming whatsoever But also some gameplay four the newly announced god of war ragnarok rock. I'll just give you all a minute to deal with the title. I know how are y'all feeling good okay. Obviously got four. Ragnarok was teased sort of title for this game for quite some time. Leaked in cody document than not really officially announced etc etc but obviously has very strong ties in norse mythology and to the horror film franchise But i wanna talk really about you know. We're getting a really big chunk of game plan here Let's start with just like overall alternate brian. What did this sorta deep dive look do for you. And what were you most excited about seeing. I think that obviously this sort of new car smell has worn off a little bit for this. It's not exactly like that. You know the big momentous giant moment of finding out that they're making a brand new got oregon. It's it's more of a thing we loved which obviously you know that you take that down a step still amazing amazing news The last game left with some really interesting kind of doors open Which i guess they dive into right here and also like i just one of the most powerful and sort of like personal stories that we've seen in like a big triple aaa action game at no very very long time and there's a lot to explore there and you know this is a sort of like a. Hey all your friends are back kind of thing right. There's a lot of characters in this game in this trailer that we saw from the first game. There's some new mechanics that we're seeing obviously But there's also like some some new enemies from new characters. I think this is going to be just one of those sort of quintessential bigger better bolder. Sort of sequels. And i think for a lot of people. That's that's exactly what they want. Yeah we we get more of the game play. Combat lies some experts I really loved if you're watching the video version These sort of showcase of this civilization area like an actual village sort of locale because love of the world with the first game but it is a very desolate world. It is sort of a lot of structures and the sense of life in the areas. Not quite the same. This feels like there's a there's a bit of a civilization civilization going on here. There's there's more to sort of expand the cast for them. They'll be hubs right. Yeah what we're getting from all those which is cool totally and yeah. We continue to see credos. Entry is fighting to get there. I think fair to say full for the end of god of war. If you have not finished god of war this trailer reveals the thinking like you know twists from the end of god of war. So i guess you know. Don't watch the if you don't know baluchi what was what was your sort of overall. Take on what we saw before. Jumping into some specifics. Yeah i mean like. I agree with brian in so far as it is the first time we saw it. It was such a departure the departure from what we knew god of war was and this is more of more of the same but it's very much in the same universe in the same characters etc etc but one of the things that i love so much about You know that god of war that looks to continue in this one is relationship dynamics and characters and and that sort of thing i love them returning. I love that the the story line is very much a continuation. So that sort of revenge. Plotline still Freia it's still really. I'm just looking forward to kind of seeing more those characters and that story for me. That's that's where. I'm maya excitement lies i mean again. It's kind of one of those things where i need to watch it one more time to take a look at will visit of new kind of gameplay that we saw but i definitely didn't need a big departure from the formula that was already established for sure. Yeah i think there's so much they got right with that first one and it's just sort of about wanting fine tuning and finessing in extrapolation of what. They're a matt. Obviously brian lucy. And i were all we were on podcast beyond at the time. got was coming out. You're not at idea. And at that point so i don't know your full history with this scott or anything but i guess where were your your accent levels before this. What did you feel about the trailer. Yeah i mean i am. One of those people came along to god of war with this incarnation. you know. The original original playstation games didn't really do it for me. And then i saw this. It was really narrative-driven and it really just ran with a series and just took over. And that's where. I came along. And so i'm really excited. I'd be like. I had the opposite reaction to spiderman where spiderman two i was like yeah i- hundred percent expect spiderman. I kinda understand expected what we're gonna see But god of war to just is they look like they're taking directions with the civilization stuff right and i just get excited. When cradles punches things when he was punching that sent tour in the in the cut. That's a little it the yeah. The the looks at the combat. And i'm just going to say it the fact that they're highlighting he still has the blades of chaos. He still hasn't leviathan axes. He's using those in tandem again. There's a lot of like gruesome monsters and things that he's fighting in the trailer. Brian as a fan of the creature work of the star. Wars universe. I just wanted your sort of overall impression on the enemy variety that we've seen the combat aspects of what we got here because the first game you're fighting a lot of drugger you are. Yeah i mean there's there's some sort of big sort of giant troll characters defied early on and then you fight them kind of repeatedly throughout the game up but the game did get interesting in terms of creature design and a of monster ascetics which is a big thing. I love and video games and it seems like it's continuing here. That's what i love like. I think that one of the things that was sort of missing from the old old games was that sense of scale to the point of you know climbing up a giant god's hands or something like that and you know stabbing in the guy that that thing that shadow the classes did so well and so i. I hope they get that a little bit here. Obviously you had moments of that in the last game. But i there's there's a great opportunity to ramp that up more and more here But also like the combat was just phenomenal on the last game and it scaled really well to people who really wanted to get into it. You know they were the sort of alka fights that you could go in and play like you're playing a from soft games a and just really go high level or you could just kind of stick to the main path and just fight through grunts in some bosses so i think there's going to be a lot of variety here when it comes to that kind of stuff. Yeah and for those out. There know that there's no shame if you also come into really difficult lizzy i want to talk a little bit about. Also the the sort of environmental scope this trailer. Obviously you know with ragnar rockets. The idea of winter's coming and all of that. There was sort of a bit of a varied nature things in the first game because he went to different realms but it is hard to tell your like are we going to be realm swapping are we not. What was your impression of. I think like the locals embassy from the trailer and you know we. We see a lot of wintry areas supper like civilization based violate the riverside. And everything do you. Do you want something that goes pretty varied or like how how centralized you think it may be to one or two realms if you had to guess based on what we've seen totally off the cuff. I mean i'm going to kind kinda see that in a little bit of a different duration in that. I'm pleased that it looks like they're keeping this open linnea nature of the of the original. I'm just gonna say original because it was raybird you know so you felt like there was lots to explore in there was but it wasn't open weld and every single pot of it felt very purposeful in that way from soft games through that as well they should have feels like lawyers to explore lots of cool secret areas in the ob. But you'll still sort of on a moral lists linear path and that to me is kind of these days my favorite type of game. You know. I like. I like areas. That is sort of like okay. You can go here. You can go there and you can't go but this a busy path that you're obviously meant to go on. I i think that the variety of environments we will hear look right. I'm just really storks that it looks to me again. I know i'm a berko wants to be a continuation of of what we used to see. That genre should get a title look. I'm sure like every single developer. Who makes this has their own version of that type job i'm gonna say a linnea openness linnea at eight hours of day to play games. Every genre eventually gets it's weird portmanteau. We'll probably get there at some point. I'm unfortunately We're we're having a little bit of technical difficulties are actually going to have to wrap up the show in a minute. I know this is a bit of a surprise to the gas. But don't want to risk in issue and have the show crash out halfway through us so just very quickly because i obviously there was a lot more in the show and we'll we'll dig into things in the next episode of podcast beyond but of everything else shown off just to maybe quickly pull a few things that you enjoyed brian. What did you. What else was there in the show that you really enjoy just to wrap off quickly. I mean for me it was. It was the marvel stuff and got war. The big ones that means those. Those are the sort of like the big the big three for me. There's obviously going to be more down the line But star wars is really nice surprise to and that's a playstation exclusive and. We didn't really get to get into that one. But i think that's that's going to be a really really big game. The game's hard to revisit. So i'm excited to try the remake. Yeah couture for those since. We didn't mention couture's coming console exclusive to us five at launch plus. Pc very exciting. To see that remake announced lucy. What about you sorry. it's to. I know that right but like if i'm being honest i haven't played that game for for many many years. I'm so excited to actually play a remake so it will be like the game. I remember just heats beta. I hope so too. Especially 'cause i don't remember the game at all so it will probably keeps better regardless for me matt. What about you really no not really cool things japan from what i saw tokyo ghost wire in for spoken both really great Trailer is now looking for. It's both of them yet. For spokane looks really cool in the latest trailer. We saw we of course did get this. Why are tokyo trailer We got another deathly trailer. Just before launch they managed to come in more showcase and a bunch of other stuff that will be covering all on jian dot com youtube.com/ignbeyond. All of our podcast beyond probably next week is going to be devoted to everything else that we didn't get to catch up on this week but brian lucy and matt thank you so much for joining for this week's episode short but it was blasted with all you and get to talk about it right now. So thank you all for joining and thank you to everyone out there who washed along with us which the slide show. Thank you so much for joining us. 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Discussing the Director's Cut Debate - Beyond Episode 709

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Discussing the Director's Cut Debate - Beyond Episode 709

"This episode of beyond is sponsored by indeed. yon and. Hello everyone. My name is jonathan bush and this podcast beyond aegean's weekly playstation show covering all the latest and greatest in the world of playstation. Nothing else whatsoever. And so of course. We're going to dive immediately into spoilers for the season. Finale of loki season one of course to do all of that. I'm joined by brian altana. We're not going to spoil lookie season. We're not have watched it yet. So we're not going to spoil and mexico. you only look we're going to be spoiling. Is your dog jonathan. Because he's a very good boy and he deserves. Some big in strips does but he's also not in the room so i can't pull him out for this job on my part. Of course we are going to be jumping into a lot of playstation news. I wanna start off by asking both of you. And i guess the audience at large. I really want to of course this week. Lucy o'brien isn't on the show and she won't be next week as well. She's a she's off on vacation in her native lands. And so we won't have around the next couple of weeks. We'll have her back as soon as we can. I want to think of something that we can do that when she comes back. We have like we pretend like there. Is this ongoing joke or thread through the show than area like it's not a real ongoing threat but we just pretend like it's a thing that has popped up these last couple of weeks and we refer back to it like how black widow and hawkeye widow is like remember that time of budapest. But we don't actually show budapest patched. Excuse me yeah. Someone has seen marvel's black widow anyway. Please read into us with your playstation show. Jonathan what kind of pranks would we do. I don't know like no. That's the thing. I just wanna do it. I don't know what the prank should be. I just. I want to do something about it. I got i got a bird flew into brian's room and was knocking over toys. It's still there too. And i haven't i haven't found it. I like it. we'll do. We'll do bird watch with you. A little bird watch with you and she comes back or know we could. We could how. 'bout we do a section called the clap where we all clap for something they sony. Did that week go now. It's time for the clap and tweet today. Let's go we all we all do this. One two three clap. That's it they're gonna play the playstation. Clap i love it. Yeah we'll just keep doing it. And lucy will be like what's what happened i love. When did this start. When i worked at when i worked at a coffee shop. We told this one girl that There was a new policy like she worked mid shift. I worked opening shift and she showed up. His policy came down from corporate. We all have to say thanks a lot when someone orders allante and we had her going. She did it the whole day man. That's really good. I was going to play a prank like that. On alana one day in the office way back when but i thought of the joke in my head and thought it was so funny that i started laughing to myself before i could even say the joke. It was to be about what we do. On president's day in the united states and how we all dress up like different president and have to always speak in quotes by them y. holiday while we're on the subject of talking about playstation for the next thirty seconds we did try to convince alana at one point in las vegas that americans at the end of a big meal clap and so we all went up to like a big hearty lunch restaurant and then at the end. We're like she started when you guys who were in the plane landed and then somebody started clapping. Right wasn't that i am. I like clapping and movie theaters on airplanes. Like i sorta get it but it's also it's always awkward because it's always starts with like one person and everyone else is like I guess clap other people like why are they clapping. No one should be clapping right now. Have been to movies where people clap at the end. And i've been on flights where people cop at the end. But in the nineties they used to show movies on flights but no one would ever cop is weird to you know housing. But that'd be weird. Everyone be sleeping everywhere to start clapping in the middle of what happened to like i finished now. You see me partout as we sorry. Go ahead brian. I was gonna say dirty plays. Didn't we all know you also always clap at the end of every video game you finish. When the name shows up the club that will be doubly true with the upcoming director's cuts that we have coming out in the playstation specifically the death stranding director's cut and the ghost of tsushima director's cut but as we learned earlier this week. Even one of those directors. Today okajima is not a fan of the phrase in some tweets. That i believe someone who said they have now been deleted. But i'm going to double check and see if that's actually true. But anyway in some tweets kajima was talking about how a director's cut in a movie is an additional edit to a short version. That was either released reluctantly. Because the director did not have the right to edit it or because the running time had to be shortened. He then followed up and said in the game. It is not what was cut but what was additionally produced that was included So in my opinion. I don't like to call it a director's cut. This is a little bit of a weird moment for a like naming convention and that kind of want to talk about the view about it because obviously we we. Also i think all three of us key now are are very into movie releases at and tracking the production of movies. And all these things in like the term director's cut does really mean something very specific to that world and so bring it over into game world. You would think. Oh it is the stuff that was left on the cutting room floor that they couldn't get into production but both this end in the goes to see shema blog post where they revealed all the content that was planned it talks about a lot of this was made in feedback to people had after the game launched so dealing with your are essentially to deluxe edition of a game or you know the the final mix version. That's the thing that kim hurts us a lot. It is a thing that has existed in games using the term director's cut has started to draw some ira from people and also some confusion from some of the directors making the games so i of wanted to start off by generally asking how you feel about the use of the director's cut naming convention. And if you feel like it's going to be a problem or it's just something that they they kind of think of some snazzy marketing term and brian. I'll start with you on how you got into this a little bit last week and it was kind of interesting that the this quote from kajima came out via his twitter just a few days later because last week we talked about Sony has is probably using this term because they want to sort of play up the sort of cinematic importance of their games right. They wanna make these big sort of like blockbuster tentpole movie you know very sort of narrative driven games with directors and with with all the feel of like a a big movie release but as video game right these are. These are stories that they're trying to tell that's been a big part of what they're doing. That said i think fit like the director's cut thing never always made a ton of sense. But if there's one thing that the snyder cut accomplished is that That sort of changed terminology forever like there was such a sort of weird back and forth bad blood on how like zach center was able to go back in and finish his film from acclaimed. Pervert joss sweden who went basically not not claim for the perversion. For i guess like people like to stuff before he was a pervert or he was perfect the whole time. Whatever maybe you still like stuff that's on you not meet never cared. But so i. I think that like zacks famous going back in finishing his movie and then. Hbo being like we're going to put all of our sort of like emotional strength behind this. Use it as a traffic. Subscription driver like there was a sort of redemption ark. Story there This is not really what's happening with games. That were completed got nominated for game of the year sold. A bunch of copies critically acclaimed for the most part reached a bunch of fans and stuff. Like that These are not people that were locked out of studio. That weren't allowed. The editing room weren't allowed to finish their stuff. This is people going back in and adding more things to it. And like max last week you know the game of the year. Monica is kind of tacky. I totally agree with that. And so. I'm glad they're finding something. But i do think that there is like there. I think there should be a different terminology here. Because if we're two games in and both of them are coming from directors at had full creative control that are now going back into add more stuff and one of which is publicly saying. Hey i don't really agree with this phrase. I think we need. We need a new naming convention here. Yeah it's obviously something that it based on this comment to me and based on it being used across different like both internal i party and first party published games is very clearly a playstation wants to put forward. I agree with you like it. Helps convey that sense of them of like very cinematic game experiences. And that's that's really what they want their mark to be in games that can sort of transcend the idea of something you're playing but some some artistic medium that that rises above necessarily jeff jeff grubb a from game speed tweeted out that kajima only put that tweet out too so he can tell his friends. Nicolas winding refn and that He knew what a director super funding to me. That's such a joke yet. It's a strange moment for the term. Because he i. I agree in yet max you had said like game of the year is is a silly terminate at this point especially because probably any game that wants to use game of the year can find a website that called them game of the year right. It doesn't necessarily mean a certain thing anymore We used to be nominated for like best music. And then that's still technically game of the year nominee so you. It's sort of like academy award winning movie suicide squad. How do you feel about the venue said trait. I think it's ironic. That the person who has a problem with the term director's cut is the director. Like maybe they should have floated that by the actual directors before being like this is their version of it. Yeah i mean the thing here is that this is software and it's applying sort of cinematic naming convention to it which doesn't always work. It's kind of weird if you look at like what. Software by design has like innovations. It's very normal for there to be like. Oh it's version two point zero or it's the upgraded version. Whatever like that's super normal for games because they are they are software and they are easy to easy to patch. But they're more easier easier to patch the mike. You know an album or movie or something like that conversely when we talk about what a re master is it's i feel like it's almost more akin to like a shot for shot remake. Has you look at what like a remasters in terms of music and it's going in and like kind of tweaking the levels like like adjusting the you know. Maybe it's it's taking the original tapes and like no running through again but they're not. They're not recreating the entire album from the ground up as we have this whole conversation about like what constitutes a remastered versus a remake versus a reboot in terms of games nowadays The director's cut seems like they may be shuttle workshop. That a little bit more. Especially if you know. Is this the the second time they've used the these two games they it'll be and are getting that moniker and they're probably ramping to use it for the last of us to totally. Yeah yeah it's it's it's it's also i mean it's if version that has additional stuff that was made for the sake of that that is that is more like the kind of snyder cut george lucas special edition approach. Where you're like. I'm going to go in and add a bunch of things in shuffle things around and change stuff up. But it's it's it's sort of funny to think about because i i don't know it's it's a weird name. It's it's very funny to me. That jima was like. I don't like this name me. The director like this well because that that game was i mean there's i you know i i'm i'm i'm stunned at the way. That game came together because that was a guy that basically very holiday left a company he worked with for a long time over creative differences Sort of famously was On capable unable to finish his last game. A of some trailers getting kicked around for m. g. s. five the other day. And there's just all this stuff in it that we're just not in the final game which is interesting. You know that that game didn't really have an ending But then he went on with his awesome redemption story in sony funded the development and he created this brand new studio. He all those people in the hallway with the statue big. He had total creative control. And that's really cool. And i think on the movie side thing you see. A lot is extended edition right or like the extended cut and that's usually when they add extra scenes. I'm actually surprised that they haven't used that freezing for Video games because like gamers love knowing that they're getting more of a game they love to know how long a game they're getting for the perceived value of how many hours or being tacked on the goes to see shema stuff. That's adding an entire new island rumored to add somewhere between like fifteen twenty hours of new content and it's odd that isn't just being called like the or expansion or anything like that but it's all just being rolled into this director's cut so we're in the case of case that goes to cmo. I feel like that. Actually that naming works on two levels because they had the curse ala mode. And then it's also game about cutting stuff so it's almost. It's almost like a wink. The play on words but yeah. I don't know. I can't wait for the fruit into director's cut. I will say so thing. I i am. The there are those rumors going around from a alleged ghost tester. I would say from things. I've heard don't put too much stock into all of that But nonetheless i do think we're gonna get a pretty sizeable chunk of new content. Here was that a rumor that fifteen hours of extra content. Yeah there's there's been a a reddit leaker who was a tester on the game. Who has all the info about it. But i wouldn't put too much stock net moment myong-chol works at nintendo and he said fair enough. You shouldn't play. This game doesn't while g. in it you know it's it's honestly it's it's weird that sony's applying this term across the board like it's kind of we all know what it is in terms of movies but at the same time movies frequently use varied terms for that like we have. Obviously the you know the snyder cutter the mad max. Lack of chrome addition. Whatever even looking at like like the alien box set is like alien director's cut aliens director's cut alien three work prints slash assembly cut alien resurrection with additional footage. It's not even like across the board like bladerunner. Infamously put out a director's cut in the nineties. It was based on. What like release scott's notes were but they didn't really actually go in and mess with too much and so it really scott actually got his hands on it. You made the final cut. Which i think a lot of people are like oh director's cut. That seems definitive and then they go on and watch the final. It's it's such a it's it's i. Guess i guess what's reassuring is that it's a it's a messy topic regardless of the medium right. I the blade runner thing. You're right because they're still to this day when people go bladerunner. I've never seen it which you know. He's fix that People are always like which versions should i watch and there. There was a debate for a while about which version you should watch. Think the video games. Don't really have that right. Because if you have the choice between the director's cut of death stranding and the launch addition or whatever like you're going to tell people to get the one that has more content. Because i don't think it's necessarily messing with the pacing whereas like i've heard people debate which version of majorities massacre shadow the classes. Should i play because these make sort of aesthetic changes in their remastered form That is sort of much of the chagrin of some diehards impurities. Yeah the these two in particular as as you were saying with end ghost as well where it's like. Hey we all know how fun and engaging it is to just explore that world and go around it and he is going to be a version that lets you that in a brand new environment as well like in addition it's kind of like there's no reason you would say no only stick with the bass game at that point. Why like unless the new island is awful. Which i'm not expecting based on everything out like you would always tell people to go for the next one and also max to your point of like the term already being kind of a mess as you were saying with the snyder. It's like well yeah. He went like he had a lot of footage. Sure but then also went and shot tens of millions of dollars more. Add to it as well. So it's like the director's cut the the blank hirszon's cut is kind of always in a strange place. It is just in a weird position right now with i think playstation wanting this to clearly a thing and one of the first directors that they have on board being like. I don't get the daming here. it's it's just a weird moment for it. But as he said. I imagine we'll continue to see this unless these versions do terribly in sales or not expecting to will probably get more director's cuts as you were saying. Excuse me the last semester to feels like the next obvious candidate. I don't know where else they would go from there in the immediate catalog. 'cause i feel like all focuses on the next guy war and horizon forbidden west so i don't feel like they're going to put new content into those games at this point right. I mean never say never right. I wasn't expecting this much new stuff. Being added goes sushi my figured they do sort of like A standalone and sort of what naughty dog does which is make an eight hour kind of spin off game Ordeal dlc or just. Save it all for a sequel. Yeah i mean. They had something similar without with first light for infamous at the beginning of the war generation. So it's cool to see them continuing support things as long as it means more playstation releases like. That's great with me a chance to visit these. I love so. I'll certainly take it your superstar. Employees left to start their own company. You're happy for them. 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We want to get the game in your hands as possible so you can experience the unforgettable version of a haunted tokyo that we've been hard at work building at the same time. We're also focused on protecting the health of everyone at tango. Our new release window will give us time to bring the world of ghost where life as we've always envisioned it. Thank you for being patient as we were to bring you an experience. Unlike anything else we've ever made we can't show you more in the coming months this. I want to ask both of you but at least for me. This doesn't totally surprise me because we've seen so little of game like since the the launch trailers last year the revealed trailers. Excuse me. we've really gotten nothing about this game so it doesn't shock me that they needed more of the time that said. I'm also glad that this comment in a continuing trend that we've seen does address the well being of the developers. Obviously this official corporate statement like you can only take so much a face value but the fact that these statements have like there's been a recent trend of them continuing to mention the health of the developers. We saw this with divorce delays. To at least. I appreciate that. That's in there because it does hold them a little bit more accountable because then if we get stories of alba actually we're working them to the bone even worse because of the delay like that begins to create a very troubling narrative for these. So i i liked. It puts a little bit of accountability there but in terms of its delay brian. I'll start with you this. Does this come as much of a shock to you. Know not exactly. I do wonder sort of what the exclusivity window on this remains. I remember reading the fine print in the state of play the other day about death loop basically said you know coming to xbox a year later so i i don't know if this also delays whatever sort of window that happens there but Yeah i'm fine for the studio taking. Its time i've never really feel like i'm you know a short on new games to play a to what you're mentioning earlier about sort of crunch culture evolving and changing. I think that's one of the best things that can happen. I know every time we bring this up. People are like well my job hard to and like you know we fix that as well but if you if you flash back to serve rise son of rome right one of the launch titles for the last xbox the studio at the time famously tweeted out. Hey we've ordered like six hundred pizzas to keep everybody full while their home working late and a bunch of people at the time they thought like that was a cute thing to say and a bunch of people were like. That's not good. You shouldn't be doing that. I was reading a piece about retro the other day And everyone loves them right. Think about metro prime in donkey. Kong people like. Wow what a great studio. They're under nintendo. You don't really hear about crunch from them. A lot development. Ira's through them showed that they were crunching like crazy through metro prime. And it's one of the most beloved games like this was such a part of a video game development culture for so long and to see that slowly change by Sort of through the pandemic and through other public means people adjacent trial reading books about and stuff like that. I think all of that is bringing awareness to a problem that is happening in video games. It's also happening elsewhere. Happens in movies but with sort of the way unions work the way people are under contract. They have to work for our. They have to specific breaks and times and stuff like that The culture seems a little bit different there. Although a lot of people have been head down in the editing room working on things for years you don't really hear about it but hopefully this is something that changes none of these things sort of have to come out. You know this day at this second that we need to demand that people don't see their families and friends and their children they're lacking there. You know ignoring their personal health and hygiene just to animate doors in a fake tokyo. So take your time. Do your thing will be here when you're ready is like you know we talk a lot about sort of like crunch culture being a like an old problem. It's just now being address which isn't a certain degree. But i imagine it's in to a certain sense. It's actually been getting worse gradually in the same way that like we video games have stayed the price of sixty bucks but they've like what quadrupled resolution and that's just that's just visually like there's there's so many new components in so many moving parts in there you know these infinitely complex massive massive He's software and i. It's i imagine that there's this there's old habits that some studios have of being like we should be able to turn a game around in three years which was probably true ten years ago. But now if you're moving with your know dealing with that many more moving parts in your developing four instead of i dunno putting a game on disk for for two systems putting it on to what five different variations of two systems italy and on disk and maybe having to patch stuff and then deal with whatever online components. I mean you've read about like you know atari development and they would have like one or two dudes would make one game in four months right and it would come out for one system and like obviously that the game would look like it would be like four blocks up into each other but like you know things things scale like now you look at something like assassins creed odyssey or Hall that one really any of them. They're just there's they're huge. They're they're staggeringly large. And that's from like a massive global quadruple a studio that has been doing this on such a consistent while i mean maybe the reason we're seeing assassin's creed games go for being a yearly releases to a you know every two years release is because to adjust for this. You know like we. Don't we've seen games get the get. Horribly rushed and this is sort of the flip side of of of crunch culture and delays. Is that like. It's a video. Game is a moving target. And you look at what games were ten years ago and it's different it's different ecosystem. They're trying to different stuff for the expectations are totally different thing. That's that's without the giant monkey wrench. That is working remotely during a pandemic. Yeah and and even just to use the example that you you're going with their with this essence creed. Their production pipeline is changing even more because of that Recently confirmed infinity project. That i believe trier had broken the news about He's off tat acknowledged of essentially. I like a platform based future for assassin's creed going forward. Even something that to me. I think of as a longstanding single player robust action adventure campaign with open world. Obviously but as one of those things is suddenly becoming more more and more of a live service in the in the past. Few games have been leaning that way but the the pure nature of live service games also just completely throw that offer wrench. there was I don't know if you guys saw but apex legends was hacked over the july fourth weekend and with this campaign to fix titanfall. It was this whole thing but one of the devastated about like. Hey because that hack was happening. I was playing with like my newborn nephew and had to hint him back to his parents. So i could go work on fixing patch over a holiday weekend like that has completely changed like all of that just so completely changes. The way in development happens beyond the the mystery that already was for so many of us right in the other side of that conversation was being like i paid money to access content here and i have my first sort of few days off in a while and i wanted to and so there was an expectation on both sides. And i don't i don't think that like the doesn't solve anything. Obviously anyone sending death threats and everybody can finish space but sorry but the i like the there is definitely like the consumer is also saying like. Hey i paid to access some of the stuff. How do i access it and it just sucks for everybody all around but like max these are. These are massively scaled new projects that are only growing bigger and bigger. They are dealing with so many more things. i like. The ford guys making the four block bumping game on atari didn't have to like figure out. How does this play through the amazon luna cloud services or anything like that like has what about people trying to remote play this From their downstairs living rooms. There's there's a lot more things that take into account now and with all of that sort of convenience of of us being consumers to be able to access her games in different ways by different platforms. You know you play them through the cloud or remotely or whatever it is Become becomes more work and more testing and more things involved and so. I don't really know what the solution is there right. 'cause there's always going to be something. We were just covering story today about a activism. Asked like this. This hacker was basically just like i have the most nefarious collagen warzone hack ever made and it's undetectable an unstoppable and he put up videos and they're like please please. Don't do that like please. Don't do that and he was like all right. I won't but like that's it. That's again is already. They've been half a million hackers in that game already so it's like you know while one evil was killed. Another will rise is like. It's always gonna come from somewhere. So yeah i don't know what the solution is. Games are big crazy now and Is going to have to be a little bit of patients across the board everybody involved. It is a miracle that any game ever gets made whatsoever works because of all the incredible moving parts in it and so yeah please You know with your with ghost wire with any of the games that get delayed. Please let the developers be. Let them work at the pace. They need to to live healthy normal lives as well. There are i. I would go out on a limb and say you probably have plenty of games that have come out that someone has told you is amazing that you probably haven't played. I myself have about seven hundred of those. So i can assume out there has at least a couple moving on from there. I briefly want to mention a couple of other pieces of news. We're going to be getting a bunch of persona announcements for the anniversary of the franchise. I personally can't wait. I will of course wait until those announcements actually happen. And i hopefully will get andrew goldfarb to y'all either smell or something to be able to be on the show about whatever they may be a grant. Most seven beta has allegedly leaked other a experienced playstation website. That sony has that basically people were able to sign up for a beta by putting a placeholder download code. of course. this beta is not officially announced but It's always good to see some signs of life for granted must seven as we wait for more news on that one but that was of course delayed into next year. So we'll we'll wait to see if there's another sort of state of play that an announcement for beta like this might come through. We also got news that final fantasy fourteen. Which of course the playable on. Ps four five is so popular. That square had to stop selling digitally for a little bit. Which i really enjoyed as just the music side. Because i just don't ever really happens with digital sales in you. Please explain that to me. Were were they worried about server stress so i think it was partially service dress because at least like the way it works is you can obviously choose which server you're on and which server you're choosing play fantasy on and that will allow you to be with certain players like i was finding with a few people from my streaming community and so we waited a little bit to get on the same server and it took like my girlfriend was playing a lot as well to get on the same server. She waited like two or three hours and this was months ago. This was when it first came to his five but she was waiting and just refreshing every ten minutes for like two to three hours to get on that server space is limited to a certain extent and so i think to avoid service stress to avoid too much happening because they have just seen such an influx of over the last few months. I think they just needed to pause sales for a little bit to be able to carry with everything. Good problem to have right now definitely better than the reverse. Yeah i mean like we've read up the opposite story. Were like online games. Have to populate their servers with ops just to get enough people to make matchmaking possible for like a simple player count So this is i mean. It's also scoring next. It's sorta famously overshot when it comes to sales expectations with games. You know like they're always like we have to hit we hit six million and seven million and we underperformed and you're like what that's a lot of millions though Physical hopefully they can. They can figure out how to get more people there like. It's of awesome. Yeah apparently it was over the weekend. I believe that the waitlist essentially had been stalled. And you can get through it out when we had checked it this this week matt kim on our news team checked it. It seemed to have resumed normal. Function seems people are able to get in but it. It has very popular specific servers as well so depending on where people were trying to get into. That could've likely affected it as well. And then last on the on the news daca just wanted to mention. Of course a man eater is getting deal. See yeah. I don't care if it's not here but i also am very excited. I put that on there. You and i both we both platinum that game. Recently man. that game is awesome. I've talked about this before it. Max max i did a. Let's play forward. That superfund that you can dig up It's just open. World shark game narrated by chris. Parnell of snl fame. It's very goofy. It's very over the top also. Has this like kind of weird. Undercurrent no Unintended sort of thematic. Plotline about sort of anti coterrorism. This is a deeply disturbed and disgusting ocean full of wretched humans dumping toxins in and still swimming around and this shark For a number of reasons gets revenge on all of them and you basically go around. I love there's a spongebob hunting down all these like you know poachers trappers and just awful people who are out at sea trying to kill you and trying to disturb the environment and it's just so much fun and so they're adding a basically this entire new area they're upping the level cap. They're adding new sort of armor sets. And what's cool about. This is like you get you get different armor sets that are kind of like a thin and teeth you can get like electric set or bone sat or whatever you want the shadow set and they're all super super fun to play with just like basically a hundred percent of this game recently. It's it's on game pass if you're looking for something to play there. I believe it was on playstation plus at some point it was. Yeah it was right and of. Yeah yeah i'm it also got recently got an action patches and stuff like that so it looks and plays very well. It's beautiful super super fun. Game very idiotic. It's not the deepest thing in the world again no pun intended. But i won't say the game play is shallow but now please please play man eater and if not just wait for the deal seekers it's it's gonna be really really. I really appreciate that. This is a game where you play as a shark. Not like a. who's a shark. Eat or like. I feel like so much of the time. And it's a game where you play as an animal who has humanoid characteristics. I mean this. Obviously the sharp jab and kick and stuff but like the fact that they pretty much designed at entire control scheme for like a shark body is such a such a novelty to me. 'cause you know the. How many games do you play. As as a person with arms and legs who runs around and jumps and stuff. It's like pretty you know it's it's kind of kind played out do that every day. I'd like to be a shark for a change and a lot of fun is saying. I also like it for like its length. It is a you know twenty hour. Rpg which is wonderful until you're constantly getting that hid of aggression progression not will also aggression because you're But the the progression of it is just kind of constant. You're getting to either do silly stuff like flopping on a beach attack humans or explore underwater. There's a lot of collectibles and stuff and yeah the truth. Quest will launch on august thirty first and this plays into the whole fact. That like the game that you're playing is also a reality. Tv show called. Maneater that sort of the the overarching thing related to chris. Cornell's lines and everything. And so i think the world has been shown the true nature of this this port and everything going on and so the The conspiracy theories only get crazier from there. It's got that wonderful. Gte thing where you sort of like rack up the kills all of a sudden you know more and more crazy things start coming in. And i believe the deal. He's bringing in helicopters and stuff like that Base game Have these sort of like the endgame had likes these sonar boats that could Like send electrical ribs waves out underwater. It's just so much fun. This game is also responsible. I'm responsible for because i'm stupid but one of the things never asked in a Like sort of trade show interview was max hour interviewing developers and i was like. There's all these buildings everywhere can can the sharko in and they were like no you see. I think that should be deal. See like because you can go up on the beach of flop ronaldo lungs and just up and he can't he can't like walker ronnie just says to flop like fifty to stay. That'd be great. The shark along the sand office shark is no for an officer so you need something for meter to. I think even elton john glasses. What's going on here this great. Oh there's the dance sequence. Good yeah isn't that you could believe there would be in this game. Yeah it's a really a lot of fun. I can't recommend it enough that he's definitely as as brian said a little bit shallow but nonetheless. It's a really fun time and a relatively easy platinum for those who care that. Look good podcast. Game which i totally agree with. Yeah it's a lot like. I think listening to it and have fun. Wall chris. parnell is telling you silly part about the story but if you're just going around trying to collect the thirty underground social hosts it is start week. It is shark week so maybe observe shark week in a good way. Yeah and you can play the truth seeking adventure in august. I guess they're also will be like a little bit of a demo. I think for the deal. Say so you know cocoa check that out but in addition to that whether you're playing maneater or something else. I do wanna talk a little bit about what we've been playing. Especially because i know you guys have been jumping into a bit of a storied franchise that we've talked about on the show before but brian. I'll start with you. What if you've been playing. Yes so they. Sort of deep sale after of e three. Whatever was this year where we got more information about a far cry six and did a interview with the lead writer and the sort of leads of creative game play a designer and it before when we were getting warmed up. Because we're working from home. Everything is like a million technical moving parts we started sort of reminiscent Or cry franchise. I just had one of those things. Click in my head where i was like. This is such an incredibly important franchise to me. It's always been so near and dear to my heart but it doesn't really. It's not really something i associate with like. You know you go like. I really love like alleged has elbow or love the last two games like you know large narrative that you connect somebody these things and they've been special to me because the card games are very similar but also largely disparate in terms of their settings and tones and a lot of ways But i noticed that like they put a bunch of the games up super cheap. So i went back and i i bought far cry one two three four and blood dragon and i think i got all five of those games for like eighteen. Twenty bucks total. So they're super cheap. Sorry mr. sale. They regularly go on sale though. And i just went back inside like tracing the roots of the series which is something. I've been trying to do a little more of the things. I love this sort of figure out like where did this start. How did it evolve. And i think there was a lot of sort of notion that this is a sort of stale and repetitive franchise. I i would say in a lot of ways. It is not really more so than the average video game series. It gets annualized And i think a lot of those get a free pass. And i i just i feel like this sort of like it's weird to say this about a franchise that routinely sells Fairly well it's fairly critically acclaimed. But i feel like forecast kinda slept on like i feel like people. Don't really celebrate this series in the way they do a lot of other big ones and watching it grow and evolve over the years going from the first far cry which is very straightforward. You don't have a ton of wiggle room in terms of your creativity but also like famously. For the time it was mostly outdoors. Right which is in an era of like sort of corridor driven. First person shooters that were dark and strange. And i want a lot of that to Including weird mutants that you have to fight which i totally forgot about going into like a large tropical setting and giving people You know hang gliders and all these different weapons zip lines and stuff like that was really clever and really cool and then moving on a far cry to which i think like suffers a lot from being the kind of the sepe atoned murky brown looking games of the era. That you know your early years of war. Your resonable fives That's when it started to move open world but three when it really sort of dislike kicked off right like three hits dr almo- almost sort of perfected the formula that we see today But it goes a chance to jump back in a four which is a game. I believe one hundred percent it went in. I came out troy. Baker plays pagan min. It takes place in korat. It's sort of is gigantic mountains but also rivers. It's got the you know. Lie tigers and elephants that you can ride bowls. There's all sorts of bizarre crazy animals in it and it does Some of like my favorite stuff and open world game can do. I think it totally does that. The thing that has always struggled with. How do we tell a serious story. But also get a bunch of goofy nonsense in here. And i think five dropped ball in a lotta ways. The setting was kind of boring in suffolk. That but it all just got me so damn excited for far cry six Which is coming out later this year. And i feel like this is like going to really bring the series back to where i wanted to be And i can't wait for it personally. So yeah cry rules. It well said. Brian i jumped into one too. I played too. I don't know a million years ago. It was one of the kind of elapsed period and gaming through college in the night. There was one of the games that i picked up. Got back into it and it was just i was blown away about how cool it looked. At how the the is it. The procedurally generated fire. We'll just occasionally work how you want it to other times. Won't it all. We have three one of my favorite games ever and it's you said it. Well like that game. Is that series. I think it's written off allott as you know just being another annualized ubisoft thing but like the problem with three is how much it completely like. Through that formula in the air and how many systems and introduced that have since been kind of like unto death by other ubisoft games with the whole idea of like. Oh go to this area. Climb the watchtower. Unlock the thing around here sneaking at the outpost. You can go louder you'll quiet and then you know i mean i. It's very rock solid foundation to the point that since. Then it's almost been like it was sporadically. He'd evolved very like cut all over the plastic first game to the second game of the third game. They were still kind of figuring out what worked. And what didn't and then the jump from the third or fourth is like added bees elephants. You know there's not a ton of new stuff in there. I personally i never. I never loved the setting for four against a really fun game but for whatever reason it just didn't gel with me but i'm i'm extremely excited for six to i think it's i had this weird thing i don't know i don't know what makes me like this. I like games on islands. There's something like about it. I think there's that there's that inherent frustration of being like. What do you mean. I can't go any further with an island. I'm like that makes sense. Islands are like that. sometimes. I'll admit yeah right. Yeah link's awakening honestly says you know. There's a finite set of tiles. You can walk on here. There's something just wonderfully self contained about that and also i know it compels you to go inward as opposed to outward. Which is it's a whole thing. But as someone who i think dips in and out of the franchise and hasn't played it nearly to the extent above you have at least from like somewhat of an outside perspective. I feel like heart of why it may be feels like flies under the radar. Sort of like a brian to your point is that after three because three was like such the acclaimed hit it felt like at least in the marketing every game after was trying to tell you how it was like three for better and worse than so it was like here's the villain who is like voss but isn't vaas here as the you know the the lush outdoor setting that will be part of it is. Here's the political but not political story. That's the heart of it. I feel like it got buried under a lot of the like. How does it compare to three conversations. Often which is often what kept me away from like. Oh i heard four wasn't as good as three hundred has a lot in common so i just gift for. I'm sure there are parts of it like you were saying. Even georgia your visit. It was something. Like oh. I heard it's like three okay. I'll move on. Oh five kind of muddies the water with its story okay. I'll move on right. I think they also they may. Maybe maybe people like this for this reason. But i feel like this is not the the primary selling point like this is obviously the sexiest part of it too. We've got this incredibly. Well written villain. It's all very you know edgy. And it's like kind of mature storytelling and like you can see they're continuing this got giancarlo esposito playing the villain in the new which is which is great. But that's not why i play for you know like i. I play far cry. Because i wanna like trick a wild boar into biting someone which is funny to me and then i will right away on a stolen jeep which is on fire like that. That level of kind of emergent gameplay craziness is like really that's what it does so well but it's also that's i think a lot harder to lot harder to market without seeming like you're just throwing a bunch of shit and seeing what sticks what would ford does in terms of what you're talking about is really interesting and in In the tribe makers pagan min is consistently more annoyed with your actions and he will radio radio into you to be like you blew up my base. You and i'm gonna. I'm gonna come kill your and stuff like that. I think that's a good way to do. It is sort of just like Murray your actions with this kind of subtext of like all right. I just wanted this. Massive crazy killing spree through bait into the middle of this base camp and A tiger attacked everybody. And then i got in this crappy little duct tape helicopter and flew away with like throwing bombs on people on suffolk that blowing up as convoys and then he calls into be like. Why did you do that to me. I hate to kill you now. I think that's an interesting way to do it. But i feel like the the i'm joseph's needs if they did in the in the next one i five was such a weird step back it. Also it's a franchise with all these bizarre diagonals like a blog and works really well because it's it's totally assertive in in. How completely insane it is. It's also three to five hours long or as far cry primal felt like an interesting experiment and a nice deviation from the norm and i was sort of a a kind of impressive at the way they were able to find parallels to make like sort of you know fred flintstone versions of all of the contemporary far cry tropes But then there's also all these weird deal sees they do from the valley of the yeti to like the weird vietnam war stuff and a lot of it just is all over the place. It doesn't mesh but then underneath all that there's this custom created a game mode. Were some fans recently built entirety of goldeneye. Like it's just it's so crazy. And i just feel like there's so much here that's cool but it's so all over the place but also say me that it doesn't really doesn't really have its place in like the video game hall of fame. Well it doesn't it doesn't have like memorable never characters it doesn't have a memorable like universe. 'cause it's game is as the namesake. It is a far cry from the last one. Like it's always it's always crazy different new place. That has a lot of you know it's a it's a wacky setting. It's you know it's a virtual tourism in a sense where you can do whatever you want. But you know it's that double edge sort of like i personally I don't know. I always hate the observer. Go You know luminosity stuff in in essence creed like as if you jump into one of them and you haven't been keeping track of what's going on. You're like what did i miss or these. Who are these normal regular humans in polar fleece fast to play for a while. I just as soon be like give me a game. Where you're inviting your egyptian guy or ninja. Whatever like let me down with like like i don't assassin's creed game is happy to jump into it and i appreciate that far cry. All kind of it's doing its own thing. Like every game is is encapsulated. Obviously there's like returning side characters and familiar themes and things you have to climb to unlock areas of the map. But like it's i think because it isn't you know doesn't have this like serialized through line. There's not maybe there's not like a pressure people to stay up to date with what's happening in that in that universe. i dunno. Maybe that's sort of the appeal to me is that it's there's a sense of discovery there because everything every game is a new is a new thing to a certain degree even if some of the mechanics are familiar. It's more like what is this place what's going on here. Yeah i think. They live in thrive on their settings. Right and you get that shit. Like as i was saying i jump in and out in like when i jump in i love it like i have a blast. Even going to your point brian like i. I really admired the bit of primal. That i played for its attempts at like putting modern ideas and competes into the idea of writing a wooly mammoth and beating someone over the head with a bone club. It tried its best but there. There are times where i think the scattershot nature of it also does make it feel like a franchise that if i miss it for a couple years. It's fine. I do play it. I i love it and play for you. Know thirty forty hours and have a blast with it. I'm excited for sex. Like as of right now. I think the setting can lend itself to to a lotta great possibilities. It seems like as we're all saying like if being on an island all your general sense of the space of it which i really appreciate giancarlo. Being in the game is definitely not a bad side to it. theresa dog looks adorable. But it's one of those things where the deal see. That's going to bring back all the villains like. I don't really care about like uprising. Pass familiar acid trips stuff which is like again. It's sort of okay. That's not what i signed up for. But like i get it to a certain extent because the villains are the things people know about this franchise and that also allows them to plan ahead for what the season passes like people may love parts of critics sex and maybe though pivot and do some dlc around it but they can't account for that due to love vaas and piggy men and josephson at least like as like touch points for those games. People know what they relate to. Until so it's easy to glut. Blood dragon is like a singular thing. And i was totally expecting that to become annualized or repeated in the way that so many south things are but to have like a short standalone. Far cry game built in the same engine. We've gotten we've got the value of the yetis. We've gotten the the weird sort of far cry five spinoff stuff and now the thing we but but it's never on that but that was that was trying out a whole like it was like a literal repaint of. Yeah it was. It was a weird call and like the thing that made. I don't know. I love blood dragon so much because it didn't take itself seriously and it didn't overstay its welcome. It was such a bizarre little experiment. And i was almost like. What does this look like if you try it. What are the different flavored versions of this. Like what if you do like a medieval version because that would sort of neo neo. Futuristic beta wave sounds amazing. Right that would be everywhere and i mean we got we got primal was a five hour thing. Kind of like blood drives only remain. It's it's bittersweet. Because like i liked i liked primal to a certain degree. I thought it was did some really interesting stuff. But it also. I don't think i finished it. Because i just i didn't. I didn't care there's caveman yelling at me in with subtitled caveman language. And i was like okay. That's cool. I got a bow and arrow. This is fine. And it was i guess. At that point there was definitely sort of like franchise fatigue because like three was amazing. Blew me away. The blood dragon more the same but completely kind of reimagined shaken up enough that it was it was interesting. Also it was short. It's like five hours long. And then a four came along and it was so much of the same with like little tweaks. It was very familiar and then by the time primal role that was like. I'm i'm good. You know one thing about about five is like i feel like it didn't really gel with any of us and it's it's definitely well made. I think a lot of that comes from the fact that we live in america and like the marketing was very much hinging on sort of like as american politics. That maybe don't really don't really joe with everybody but it's also like if you live in. I don't know if you live in france. That's probably like a crazy exotic location to go to. But if i mean if you live in linda paul like playing far cry. Four is probably like the same thing. We're like okay show. I guess. I'll go climate fake mountain that it looks like once we have here like also the timing of five just in relation to where our country then went in the preceding. That was if you need an escape from politics. Far cry five was not the best place to go. I've said this. I've said this before. But there was a lot of conversation around five sort of being like this. Spurring of trump republicans but far cry five is one of the most sort of like overtly a gun like gun proud games. I've ever played like you run around with with an assault rifle that has an american flag on it. And it's a blast. You know like. I it no pun intended. It's it's i think that that game sort of celebrates a lot of a lot of the stuff that i think a lot of like sort of more liberal people were expecting it to skewer my issue with five one i go to these games I want all of these sort of systems to be completely insane and not necessarily in familiarity but when we were doing press interviews for five i brought this up with the with the people. I interviewed the other day. I like you you. I i i asked. I asked you a couple of years ago. Like this game takes place in montana famously. That's where there's tons of dinosaur bones like will there be dinosaurs in the game. And they're like we actually got the various question a lot. Because i think a lot of people were just like see of what cows turkeys like. That's this is boring. Like what i love about. Four is that there are so many different animals in that game. it's insane. There's honey badgers in goats. And there's monkeys. And i hope he goes to florida one. I feel like floor floor. Cries is going to be like. Oh my god. Just i mean yeah. Animals unique fan boats. I think we fan vote for that guy. I can't remember should be. Yeah i feel are in three and then you can put both easily enough floor. Cry as that's gonna just beat the name now it is also interesting. We are getting just because we were going back to talk a little bit about like do people feel like they're connected to this world miss universe. We aren't getting a netflix anime. For far cry as well as blood. Dragon like six episode anime. These totally forgot about that also. They made a made a blood dragon. Trials game too. Yeah we always. It's it's such a strange franchise in terms of as you're saying. Brian like it feels like it can be all over the place and that's perhaps why it does go under the radar but when it's really fun it is really really fun. And engaging in an is sort of the prototypical thing we think about for a lot of these be soft open world ideas. So i'm i'm excited for six like especially if we see some other open world games like her isn't forbidden west perhaps not come out and twenty one. I feel like i'm gonna be spending a lotta time hanging out with giancarlo and jesse without rolls up to. But i'm glad you've both been sort of the in raising the franchise still finding the stuff that you love about it. So mushin it. Bring back as weber. Because i'm really looking for sex. Thanks for giving us a place to yell about it. Of course what what is the show. If not a steel about things briefly that either of you have been playing that you want to touch on. I jump back in a hit man. And i love that game so much. I love it There was there was one mission. That i i hadn't done like i. Basically i play three l love while the other two games went through played all of them and i think it's the last maybe the last mission in two or one rights but it's a resort. It's on an island there you go and it's it's it's interesting because for whatever reason it the way it starts you out. It's kind of like. I had a really hard time with it. And i think it starts off with less access to weapons or crapper something. And i was like bashing my head against one particular route and i just eventually didn't rage quit. I was like man. And then i walked away touch it for a while and i just jump back into it and i was like. I don't think there's a whole part of this checkout creeping around in the bushes and then just messed up this server farm and poisoned a bunch of people who have like vomit gas. And just i had. I got love that game and i just. I'm so excited for whatever they do with james bond. I really hope. It's like just even slightly on par with hitman because this series is just got it. So good i also. I occasionally jumping into do the elusive targets. Which are like the limited time. Only get one shot. It's now or never mom's spaghetti on your sweater. Whatever kind of just you gotta you gotta do it like this one person screw up. It's gone forever. And the most recent one was a pair of twins but you can only kill one of them and if you hurt the other one big trouble and i was like oh boy i gotta find this needle a haystack at a track. These guys down the creeping around this pastoral italian beach town. I'm gonna i'm gonna track. I will go around the first corner. And they're just like standing there taking a sightseeing tour or something and i was like. Oh well that was easy. And then i like like a weird pervert which is like craft around by either by their bottoms and was like looking at their risk because one of them has gold wristwatch and the other doesn't kind of find the guy with the watch on like didn't they didn't care like they were completely unfazed. I was so used to like. I dunno killing a high profile targets. Who are just like if you go anywhere near them. They're like eighteen garlic gutter but these guys were just walking around obviously just walked up right next to them and then is like shot. One of the guards. Try to shoot a mist yard. Start shooting just shoot the guy in the head and just take off running and then getting like one of those little. Mr bean cars drive off. It was like i d did the mission in three and a half minutes you get no stars. You're nydia inequality can't do that key. One of the funniest video game franchises. I don't think. I really realized that until the funny but it is so like i think you can play this game perfectly and meticulously and just be a hitman right but also there's like even before you get in the clown costumes and dressing like a complete. A food like there are so much stuff that you can do this. He's like that. That just makes the just makes me laugh so hard. I know then it gets so incredibly excited. You just mentioned that. This team is working in a james bond game. That is so awesome. I keep forgetting that's happening between that. And like but doesn't making an indiana jones game. But it's kind of like okay. That's too big projects. We've really excited about kind of you. Had max i was gonna say like. I hope that they keep the sort of sleek and very stylish design of newer bond movies but have some of the sensibilities of like the older roger moore ones if you wind up with like completely completely wingnut. Nonsense gadgets like what you do get exploding rubber dachshund stuff like that in this game if but at the same time it looks all just like hyper stylized just like oh yeah like this is a this is a cool guy who has sacks but also. He's got jet pack in his briefcase gary. That's that's exactly what i was gonna say. I was just like talking to the you can play these games. The hitman game super meticulously embiid the best hip man in the world and you can also do it like an utter buffoon and still win aisling bodies in the bathroom like like there's so much variety there and i think that does speak to bond across the ages of like you can get more serious side of it and also the whackier side where it's as i only jet packs and jet skis and the moon and like you can just go to such crazy heights. I feel like they can find that balance really well and like i think back to older on games i actually like never played goldeneye growing up but night fire was a really big touch point for me right at like i think about how those were very first person shooters cinematic campaign games like yes. There's a place for those with. But i really want them to lean in the direction of a hitman like i want them to do what they do. Well and i feel like that's the reason you go to them for a bond is right. I mean one of the first things that happens in goldeneye either movie which was recreated in the game is the james bond pops into out of event and kills a guy in a toilet. Like that's funny. If you don't think that's funny. I i don't know what to tell you. That's for killing a guy on the toilet in a suit. Full suit is funny and like they put that in the game. And i just i feel like there's you know there. There's a comedy element to james bond. Always been there and just like its for hitman. this is such a perfect marriage of ip and developer. Yeah i can't wait to see what they're doing with us. My whole thing is if if you made if you had agent forty-seven literally just say the names of the achievements are the challenges out loud after doing them. You've got james bond game because he's like you know there's one where it's like if you if you take if you poison a hot. A hot sauce shot or something or you. Just take a shot of hot sauce. It's like it's like forty seven on the scoville scale or so it's like it so in so horny and i love it but then peter parker thing right or scott like the goofy one liners. Yeah yeah there's such a. I need to go back to that one. That's just one of those things where it's like you can get lost in a level especially if you're bad like you can get lost in just a level for hours which is really thought you. I kind of feel like you need to give a lot of. It's also it's super duper forgiving with the saints coming. Which is totally cheap as hell but basically if you save before you try something completely stupid and you actually pull it off. You'll get the achievement or you got the challenges and then if you reloaded i think basically you can basically i think you can kill dude like four times over on the same save. Sort of it's it's a whole weird thing but like it's the thing that really worked for me is basically leaning into my failures and being like not trying to play it super super well and stealthy but was kind of like okay. I'm going to go in here. Like kind of a klutz to be more. Like a mr bean than a mr bond. You know unless you. It's such a great example of what they're able to accomplish. I can't wait to see what they do next with bond but yeah it's i keep forgetting hit. Man was like a game that came out this year and is one of my favorites. But yeah it's a really great time. I need to revisit that summer but anything else. You guys have been playing before we wrap up. You want to give a shout to nothing off the top of my head here for wolfenstein. Our audience won't care. But i'm ready to give it another chance this weekend. I am too. I keep forgetting this weekend. I definitely am excited to do that as well. I've just been continuing. I've been greeted stigma. Anything so i've just been playing some embargo stuff. I can't talk about nothing huge but just on stuff we can talk about later weeks and then just continuing my fortnight and persona really often able to like sticking to anything too much deeper than that but will love money talk about as more games release as we get into the fall august as we went. You will have go. Susha end hindenburg spirit. So it's actually going to be a bit of a busy playstation before the fall rush hits. But that's pretty much wraps up this week's podcast beyond Ryan and max anything you want to plug this week. got it's been busy I helped relic and sega announced company. Heroes three yesterday. We did a whole presentation for that. That was fun. I interviewed suda five one yesterday. That's gonna go up soon and then there was an. I did a did a piece on metro at republishing. believe tomorrow. so even offer that Yeah doing the weekly cannon fodder series with jessica rights and produced and then he has go in and i had a bunch of jokes and we have a ton of fun with that show. And it's just like we've been doing it for every episode of loki. we did for black widow. I don't know what happens next but will be doing one for that as well. And if you've been should be keeping track of these shows and just want the sort of The sort of dorky color commentary and all the weird background details that the show go watch. Yeah i've been really enjoying them. Especially as like a a very tightly produced like years the recap if you needed and here is the the easter egg stuff you guys have been doing and if you if you don't watch those shows and you want to pretend that you do that's also a great loophole because we spoil everything and then we do a real fast and then you can act smart with your friends. Even without spending thirty dollars disney premier plus platinum sapphire access. Or whatever it's called lame. Yeah no you've got want i. I really loved them. Especially as i have definitely checked into some other easter egg videos. That are like an hour long. And i'm like why am i here for our. I just wanna know who the background thing was and you and you get very well. It's very funny other really great. So definitely go. Check those out. But this is my long easter egg videos like that man. You know i mean. I don't know how you find the time to do that. On the side to be honest but you keep doing what you guys want to. Great hour-long easter video. My mom hit all sorts of plastic eggs and cadbury delights in the backyard. I'm going to go out. I'm going to do a real time. Easter egg hunt. See if i could find them all and then i'm gonna come inside and eat them out of. My pastel did hit on easter this year. But i only about twelve eggs. So i just kept falling behind her. Taking your out of the basket hiding like. Oh this is these are extend the game play. That's you really like easter egg producer. Would love you because you were being very cost conscious. That is yeah it was. It was like like really grinding mobile. If any developers want each brian for help on producing asset using their fault. Follow games you know who to off. But also i do on your on your directors cut yet. Bring brian. i want to just briefly mention. I had mentioned on twitter. Just in the fallout and full of all the like playstation indies discussion and whatnot. I do know some some developers do listen to the show. I if you have a game coming out in the future on station that you wanna talk about two playstation audience and people love talking about games off feel free to write into beyond an idea dot com. I'd love to talk to some more indie developers on the show. Have them on talk about the gains that they're making why they're so cool because there are so many different varied awesome indicates coming out And would love to be able to spend it. Sounds preferable spending forty five minutes talking about whether or not kojima likes the word director's cuts. Hey it was only thirty ish minutes anyway. Thank you so much for joining us for this week's episode of podcast beyond normally be published every wednesday at three pm pacific at beyond dot com youtube.com/ignbeyond and your favorite podcast services are the world unless of course. Sony surprises us with a thursday. Say to play as they seem to like to do. I will be publishing a three hour version of this episode in september. We're adding race cars and ramps so keep an eye out for that. You can also look to mike. Easter egg breakdown of the show including all of the games that all three of us leaked throughout this episode. 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Our Hopes for PlayStation's Next (Unannounced) State of Play - Beyond Episode 706

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Our Hopes for PlayStation's Next (Unannounced) State of Play - Beyond Episode 706

"There's episode of podcasts beyond is sponsored by square inex- are beyond and hello everyone. My name is jonathan bush. And this podcast beyond idioms weekly playstation show covering all the latest ingredients in the world of playstation. Even if play station was kinda quiet so weeks joining me. This week is very special guest. Frogman from the hit. Spiderman universe frogman. How're you doing good to have you here from good good to know. Also brian todd autonomous. Here's why under we've also got lucy. O'brien ryan joining us this week. I can't i'm just. I'm loan away by our panel today. His blown away by frogman and his little. Laura it's nice to be here to have you back and also joining us this week. Zach ryan everybody. I don't have any frogmen at hand. I'm sorry do you iraq nearby and he rally razzi burdensome fortunate. We always do. That's kind of how we run things here but even though we'll have plenty to talk about in the world of frogs and rats most likely throughout the rest of the episode We do have a a little bit of playstation news. We're gonna cover briefly at the top of the show and then we're going gonna get a little bit into. Obviously i was mentioning you know playstations. Been a little quiet. They weren't at e three. We had that horizon forbidden west state of play a little before three but were kind of just waiting on them to have their big showcase at some point. We're all sort of expecting it us. We're gonna talk a little bit about what we hope will see at whatever that next showcases. It's of course not announced. Knowing recording schedules it will probably be announced between us recording the show on live So we'll talk a little bit about the things. We hope that will see show up there and the things that we expect as well. But i want to touch on just a couple of other things that have been happening this week as of the data were recording this june twenty-fourth tomorrow june twenty fifth. If the day as of right now. I believe that a trailer app for the mysterious game. Abandoned is supposed to go live on the playstation five and if you haven't been following abandoned online you've basically been missing out on the latest and greatest conspiracy theory in the world gaming We don't spend too much time. Speculating on what's going on with this but long story short essentially abandoned was this First person horror game that was reeled in a playstation blog. Post a few months ago and since then everyone. The internet is pretty. Sure it's a hideo kojima game and there have been a lot of putting together very very charlie day in that it's always sunny episode peppy. Sylvia's conspiracy theory ideas that abandoned and its creators are secretly kajima making silent hills for real and this is all going to be revealed to be this mysterious trailer app. Since then the creators have doubled down in tweets saying like we are not kajima. We are not. We are not associated with any of that stuff. That hasn't stopped. The internet from speculating continuously even with the the developer behind the studio posting a video of himself on twitter. And everyone's saying see. He posted a video. He must be a paid actor. It is a very very silly labyrinthine conspiracy theory thing that's going on. I'll have a great report sort of breaking down everything that's going on with it. It's been updating delhi so not every details there but we have a lot of really great stuff that adornment women one. Her writers did sorta covering. What's going on there. And i sort of wanted to throw to the panel for you know. Get into some other stuff. I don't think it's silent hills or kajima. i think this is an indie developer. Who maybe as in a little bit over their head with a marketing rollout. That kind of got away from them. And it's the internet and you just can't stop the internet from conspiracy theories brian. I'll start with you. What your feeling abandoned right now. I think you kind of know that. I this is definitely a scenario. Where they you know the one of the heads of the studio come out and be like i'm a human person. I am a real. I'm real don't i don't doubt that there was like all this drama on the sub reddit over the last few days where people were sort of just like pulling this thing apart. I will say that like we just got be three. I love the big like hype. I love all sizzle reels and all that stuff like that video games ripped off everything from movies except for the part where they send a press release to deadline announcing title the plot and all of the people involved like movies get announced in a comparatively boring ways because the six paragraphs and it's a lot of sort of production notes and stuff like that but like a lot of details get exposed and revealed very early on in a project like i was just reading about harvey Like two days ago from you know kronenbourg son has been making movies. And he's working on a new one. They announced the pot of the movie. The there's like a two cents cents description when they're gonna start shooting when the movie's gonna come out and who's in it and like video games. Just don't do that like everything has to be this like ooh. It's a puzzle all the time like every single video game is just like oh this a countdown clock. And what are we working on. It's a it's a logo. It's everything's an a. r. g. and even when it's not even when it's just like here's what we're doing. The fans have been so conditioned to think everything is a puzzle that we warp everything into being a puzzle. And i think that like that's really fun a lot of times. There's a lot of like we get a lot of mileage out of that here at jan right. There's a lot of like speculative conversations like what is with. This could be kind of stuff. It's great like if you look at. That was like five years of like just weird short art films of wales and ink and astronauts and all this nonsense to fly to finally figure out what it actually was and there was a long time there were people thought it was a metal gear game and it was all these other things Until we finally found it's strengthening which has been out for a while. But i i kind of wish that video games were a little bit more direct in their marketing in their presentation in their reveals Because i think that we've we've backed yourselves in a corner here and we've decided that everything needs to be this mystery and i kind of wish it was. Yeah it's a i. It is a lot of fun sometimes to see the speculation. Go off the rails has not been fun for this developer. You know like if we get to this point and we do have a confirm that everything is not some silent hill's kojima mystery box airdrie going on this guy's probably had a few sleepless nights going on right like regardless of the quality of the game. It is a lot for human being nafta. go through. it's it is. But i also understand the natural hyun inclination but i totally agree with you. It's part of the fact that like the industry is built on that mystery. So much of every reveal every major game drop has some air of mystery to it and i think that's especially when we all been working from home like this. There has been so much energy. I feel like an increased energy and lucy. I feel like we've talked about this. Like there's been an increased focus and attention put on leakers and everyone who has inside information and the second sullen says something on the internet people just kind of want information and so people glomming onto these things and i think you've had a bit of like weird coincidences here. And they're like. The developers initials being h n k. And so people assumed kajima. They're like people drawing lines where they i. I see where the human brain can go. But it's it's a very strange fascinating story. I don't know how you feel about in terms of like where we're getting. This reveal but i i just don't wanna get past the point of it see. The actual game is like i hope. It's a cool hori. I i love horrigan as people. Nor but i also love a dumb conspiracy theory. I love the fact that people thought ever levin died it was replaced by corn. That actually actually john and i are. This was one of those. And i nor it stated and i do feel for them but the same time i kind of i feel a little bit the opposite he autonet like love the stupidity of the conspiracy theories that happening video games. I mean two point. I don't i certainly don't want anyone to get hurt. Anyone to lose sleek will business or a conspiracy theory but this one is saying fun to unravel just because it was it. Sort of basically didn't help cool is at a certain point of time and tweeting out things that were very leading and misleading mom again small in these over the hint i get it and i. I think the ship will be whited eventually. Once people actually see what this is finding it quite entertaining and on jordan ullman. You mentioned who's been covering it for the feel Based in the uk as he's one six people followed by this industry leader. Which means that all of these conspiracy theory is the furious uris Believed that he's part of it later. He's part of this whole grand plan to basically unravel a kajima game via. I think we should. We should probably exclusively reveal the show right now then for the suburb. Jordan is a ghost. Yes yeah yeah and stuff. So that's just you know. Just put that out there. It's time to become for that. It was a difficult on boarding process but we but mostly because he was trying to sign a contract. And it's it's funny and like i've always loved that kajima is kajima. Was like very much in originals. The white troll for me. Before i knew what truly was and i love the fact that people are always expecting him to to be. Trolling decently to track record of it again. I think as soon as we see what abandoned actually is. I think will turn out to be a cool little hard game and that will be that right. Now i'm just like this is kind of entertaining on like enjoy mansell. Well that's what i was gonna say like the reason i feel like this is a cyclical like a self fulfilling. Prophecy is because kajima is the one that sort of masterminded or engineer. The idea of like. I've created a misleading trailer. Like i've created this trailer to throw people off the scent of what it really is so the more people deny that this thing isn't what they want or think it could be the more. They're like No this is tricky. Because he's also in the media right now talking about how it's important to have misleading trailers. It's important to plant these misnomers. And so people like he's there he's saying it. Just it's the bros right now the more it becomes this this denial. The more people are like off the look harder tonight. It must be true and like you said at the beginning john definitely smacks of maybe a small team that is in over their heads because their initial response was to lean into it and be like. Yeah that's right like with who we might be. You don't know and then they're like shit this backfire. We're definitely not that. We're definitely not him and speaking of what. Lucy was mentioning. A couple moves that they've made that haven't played like that played into this hand. A little bit was like that tweet that they did where it was like. Abandoned equals s. First letter l last letter was the everyone immediately. I think that was the tweet. That really catapulted this from like okay. Maybe this could be something to people really really getting into the idea that this could be silent. Hell which i genuinely do not think it is if we get to tomorrow and it is awesome but yeah it's like going back to the kajima of all it. Is that funny fascinating thing like the last time he like. We were talking about that. Stranding marketing and and definitely there was like misleading or mysterious elements of it. Like the last time you really really doubled in number like fake developer was the phantom pain and it was it was like the most ham fisted obvious version of it. Either this is like to me. The thing is like the fact that they keep joking. You can handle the interview wrapped in bandages. Don't dom the internet figured it out in like thirty seconds. Yeah that's part of it for the fact that there aren't enough concrete. Bits of evidence here is like where we are much better being sluice too much at this point in time and so i feel like if if the things were there that really pointed it out they would have revealed themselves by now but again who knows at this point. I'm along for the ride is as you all are saying like it is fun to engage with the stuff. I wish the video game marketing machine didn't for it to be so easy to get swept up. Because i think some of the clues people are leaning on definitely are just. It's just a coincidence. Like there are genuinely just some coincidences sometimes but It's really coming to follow. Like i said this is supposed to leave the trailer app. Thing that's going to be on. The five will reveal this that the day after we're recording so i don't wanna harpen it for too long but it's been a really fun fascinating ride to watch this all unfold and i guess you know with like e three just wasn't exciting enough for people so we have this But i want to move on. Because i do want to talk a little bit odd about both the game that we've been playing a few of us haven't been on for a little while i and also to get into a little bit about tying into this like the fact that i think people are blaming onto this so much as the idea that well sony hasn't been saying much and so here's a potential. Ps five exclusive. That people wanna say other rumors that were breaking earlier today before recording about the potential for gustav deal seizing player. Dlc being revealed that a lot of people have been hopping on his well and insomniac. Just put up some job listings for a multiplayer project and so so much of what's happening right now is like okay. What is going on with sony because we got to this point where we saw so much of you know from that. June reveal event of the. Ps five were now pretty much just meeting on the first party side for horizon and gotten for everything else is mystery. And we've been getting these little bits and pieces of You know relationships not their astonishing with teams like deviation games haven studios and fire. Walk like earth. We're getting ideas of what's to come from sony but not like immediately these are those are teams that are going to be working in game two years from now. Fantasy seven remake integrate is the enhanced and expanded version of the award. 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Md the expectation that we will get a state of play soon this is not us operating under any insider information. Luanda yard game scoop earlier this weekend. Saying i don't know anything. This is not us trying to be like. Oh yeah while. I was interviewing kerman. He happened to say checkout july seventeenth but it was embedded in the background of his bookcase. We're not we're not leading to any conspiracy stuff there. But i think like the expectation is sonny needs to say something soon and this quieter summer period before we get to games come in august feels like a pretty good time to do so so i wanna go over a little bit of the stuff that we hopefully expect. We'll see as actually start with you kind of go backward from the last order from what are things that you really really hope. We'll see whenever has decided to do next state of play it showcase whatever they call these days. What are things you really really hope we get to see. I mean i would love to see ghosts huma. Dlc that's not something that i've ever actually really considered. But if they were do single player dlc. I love that game. It's the only i mean. I know this is sacrilege. Say it on a playstation show. But it's the only platinum that i've ever gotten like. I love this game so much and have the. Thank you jonathan. I have always been so supportive of me in my endeavors. I think that if they were to do single player y'all seattle be there for a day one for sure. I don't know it's just a shame that none of the four of us on this show have anyone we know that sucker punch we can contact and ask about this kind of thing. Maybe one day but in terms of like what kind of new announcements. I'd like to see. I was thinking about this last night. And i think that a lot of the outside of the sony. I party stuff horizon gabor last of us stuff like that. I think that a lot of the stuff that i came to playstation four as a kid a lot of the franchises that so closely associated with playstation like resident evil or final fantasy or something along those lines have gone multiplatform right. Those publishers have taken their games to microsoft and sony. And so when. I'm thinking about like what kind of sony announcement what i want to see. I would love to see a spiritual successor to something. That like sony japan studios had done previously like something like a spiritual successor to what the team behind the and shadow of the colossus had done right. Like i would love to see something. In that. Vein. that is more of a an art school. Approach to these big triple eight video games. That i feel like we've been not necessarily missing. But this is the kind of stuff that would really really get me pumped to see as an announced. Because i think this team's says his team was dissolved. And we know that. Sony japan studios had their reason turmoils and stuff like that as well. Maybe just the astros team is working on something right now. But i'd love to see something more akin to these kinds of these classics. Yeah there's definitely a lineage. There that i like i. Obviously we've talked about it a lot. I love the astro games. I think they're phenomenal and they're huge. Love letters to district but then are obviously not this like as he said. I think you really hit at like this art school of each that. We see from some stuff like that or even for me personally. The team siren gravity rush games for awesome and in sort of style of thing. We just don't get that much. I and i i'd really love to see stuff in that vein totally right. That's exclusive and plays into playstation legacy. Even if it's not from first party at this point anymore. Yeah lucy what about you. What are what are you hoping to see what. What do you want to shop at a potential. And i think that we will see you will see stranding director's cut fish oil like realistically. But what i what i would like. Honestly is a set of moa fully rounded state of play. More akin to microsoft three showcase where it's just basically like this is a bunch of cool stuff that we're working on you know with a with a with a great sort of a sense of hype behind it with the with. The one lost big game at the end. I kinda like. I'm at the point now with sony wet. I really appreciate very sort of focused stated plays that do deep dives on a single game but we know about horizon. We know that god of is coming. We know that there will be a dedicated. Gabor state apply what i would like is just something. It's a little bit more ordered. That is like here's a bunch of stuff that you don't know about that we've got in the where we're not going to necessarily i mean. Look at the out. Wild to wait if i use the right now. You know you gotta wrong. It's outer world out of their trailer. It doesn't necessarily need to be a massive deep dive on on any of these problems as we just kind of want to know that they are in the works and we know the playstation has a bunch of like games Know twenty five games half of which are new. Ip that was announced in may this a lot in the bank. I would like to know about it and be teases. I just wanna be excited. You know. I feel like microsoft in Like e quite well last week. And i would really like as many fans who had something similar on the that actually brings up a really interesting point that i think brian you mentioned the salafi for the reveal of the the five and everything like during their showcases. This early period is a really great time to have those teaser trailers. Because it's almost like a little more permitted like four or five years down the line and the ps five. You kind of need gameplay to show us something really captivating but like right now. We're still just so excited for new ideas. New franchises new. Ip's and whatnot. That seem like you were saying lucy. The outer worlds trailer. It's really funny. They don't have the in. I call the out of wilde's because i will forever get is mixed up. The outer lamps trailer was really outside lands which excuse me yes It inside out the pixar film but now it's this is the time of that stuff is okay it loose. You're totally right with like twenty five games in the works. Let's see at least five of them. I'm i'm really excited to see what that potential library could end up being. But but brian what about for you. What are you. What are you really hoping say so. I'm going to devil's advocate a little bit. And just say that we. I i would say playstation fans or at least. Ps five hundred eight pretty well during three because we got a triple a first party. Game launched the friday of three. That got amazing reviews. it's exclusive. It's from insomniac. It's you know it's it's it's fantastic. We also had The horizon play recently just before that we got that sort of disappointing update on god of war so we got like we got. We got a big new game to play which microsoft owners experts owners didn't really get nintendo owners didn't really get And we got. We got some updates on some stuff. That's coming and so i to me. That's like i know. They have a bunch of irons in the fire. I don't really want them to like put out something. That's like small and sort of like you know doesn't really pertain to like the whole library. I i like lucy's idea of getting this sort of just like small you know it's kind of rapid fire. Smattering of different things. At working on that would be awesome. Because i think that's a really great way to call it a bunch of like a tiny games and big games at the same time Those are always my favorite kind of threes. And i think like say the play has occasionally reached those levels. Or they'll go. Hey we have we have these three or four things and then these two or three big things. Which i kinda dig. But i don't want them to like feel like they have to rush something out this month or next month Because i i. I think that like they're selling every system that they put out the the games are putting out her. Doing our are look fantastic. Rational clank is awesome one of my favorite games of the year. I want them to be able to get more and more people's hands and Like rather than you know figure out how to like win win three a month later or anything like that. Just kinda take their time until they're ready to talk. I don't really know if we're ever gonna get like another sort of sixty minute presentation from sony that just like which bums me out because i love that stuff right. That was a blast. That was a blast. He three from from both nintendo n microsoft. But i don't know if that's like in the cards for them anymore. I feel like they will just like. They'll talk when they're ready and when they have a couple of things to show the gluten glue them together and show them And until then you know get playstation five outlet people play them and put put more games. Ratchet out for us to actually ratchet a game that you can. You can buy in play right now whereas like a lot of the stuff in the xbox conferences like you know theoretically. I don't know when. I'm playing some of those things so Same with you know Nintendo you know sort of talented. Their thing with breath of the wall to which like doesn't even really have a release date right now and so i'll take i'll take games. You know i can play right now. Reverses stuff that. I'm not gonna be able to see for years and years. I know i think i'd i'd say that. Like to compare the two. I feel like leave while everyone has been really excited on the xbox nintendo. Not that there haven't been you know. Great switch games of the last few years but like last maybe three or four months playstation has been getting the really big games and everyone else has been getting the big announcements. I think where. I'm coming from at least in terms of like what i want. Is i think back to that. Like march state of play on us and it was where like we sort of got this strange update of a couple of games coming out in the next few months but not a ton and was cool to see like seafood was revealed there. And that's really cool and we got the f. f. seven remake dlc announcement there or footage and stuff. And i. i think it's great to see that stuff. I just feel like we need a bit more of a check in of things of that nature because right now it is. We know horizon is tentatively scheduled for holiday and god of war and grandpa's more next year but other than that like the what the playstation ecosystem looks like in the months to come is. There are six awesome indiana that got an for. Ps five in those two showcases last year. Give us a stray update. Give us an update on Even something like goodbye volcano high which looks really cool endearing like there. There was stuff last year that we just haven't really heard from granted. Indie dev work on the schedules. That work for you. Obviously don't rush. And i feel like playstation could say. Here's what we've gotten store for the small size of what we have in store for the next six months you've been something like is coming out. August hasn't really been prominent. We ought playstation things. Since that state of plan march. I agree donna in. That's what i. I was on next gen console Gain scripts thing the exact same thing. It's like you know they like how do you feel. How do you feel as a playstation. Like nintendo in did so well. I said who. Who's asking you that way. That's very insidious david times. I m classics damon snatcher. He wasn't he wasn't his singing. My you know he was. He was asking the very reasonable. But it is on this. It's it's difficult when you're looking at The transparency and the well the hike that has been building with microsoft and nintendo Season and Silence from sony and. i don't think it takes much. Which is what. I said all along. I think it needs a little bit more communication. This is more communication goes a long way. I don't think anyone is ravenous for massive sixty minute date dives while i mean maybe we. We don't necessarily need that to be sated right. It's just it's just sort of an acknowledgement. That sony sees fans The playstation five is still a machine that is going to get some great games on it. and just a little update here in that would be really. This is like the. Ps five is like the. It's like the fastest selling console that they've ever made right now right. They're like like i. I'm i totally understand what you guys are saying. But i also feel like they're probably sitting there going. We don't need to do anything like that's from every system. We put out but i i mean it's it's fun it's definitely fun and i would love to see more But it's also. I don't know like it just feels. It feels like a lot of this. Conversation is happening. Sort of like on twitter and social media and stuff like that and it's a lot of like you know. Microsoft is like owning twitter. And sony isn't and it's like so what like that's that's bad website. I hate it. I use it all the time. But it's bad. But like i feel like if they're selling every system they make and they're putting out games that are selling while then like they just they really just to figure out how to make more consoles like that's that's the biggest issue in the world right. Now i mean it's and it's not even really their issue particularly. I think that i think playstation hasn't really is a really unique position because playstation at this point. Like if especially when you're talking about your audience right like playstation at this point has surpassed of needing to subscribe to those traditional media. Beats right there at a point where like like rockstar games doesn't need to attend. They'll show you whatever they've got when they're damn good and ready. And i think playstation is in a similar boat and i think it's a smart move on their part because look at a lot of the conversation coming out of three this year right how many tweets about square and capcom and take two and all these other things that had these these outlets. Are these corporations that had these presentations and the people were like. Hey if you don't have to show off don't show anything. Don't have a presentation if you're not going to show us something like capcom resident evil as my game of the year thus far and capcom showing powerpoint slide. That's like by the way we're going to start that game that you guys like so much. Who knew you would have loved to this extent. Like you know that's fine. I understand where they're coming from. But as you can see here's the playstation five but playstation specifically as in a place where they don't need to show off anything unless unless they're ready to show stuff because what's going to happen is they're going to show that stuff if you're gonna lose their minds and they have the biggest install base and it's gonna sell their. I think that they're in a great position right. The only thing the only other thing that i thought about sort of our dream pitch for the next not direct state of play. I think the only way that sony could bolster the conversation and really really help. Combat what the conversations about them versus microsoft at this point is to finally reveal whatever they're going to do to be competitive against game pass like whatever they've got in the works that will challenge game pass. That reveal will help. Like you're saying brian. Turn that tide on twitter where people are saying like. Oh twitter talking about only microsoft. All they have to do is current. Flip that switch and show us what they're working on there and it would be a sea change. I think that because they have talked a little bit about what their competitor is. But i just sort of throw it back at you. I guess. Because i thought about that a lot of of like i feel like generally. The conversation is often look what microsoft is doing for players for putting games on gay patch for getting people access to these games regardless of the fox. They on things like that but along the same lines of playstation does to say something until they feel like it because of how. Well they're selling the i think they'll have a game pass equivalent at some point but are they also interested to show that off because name like other than the mindshare sort of thing on social media they are still like they are still selling games like crazy. You know ratchet properly sold very well return on sold while these are things that they don't need to put on game pass whereas like at least at the start of things like obviously like i. I think the tide shifted no pun intended but like people really really excited about sea of thieves would see if these was really helped by being game pass letting millions of people laid insulate. I think like pretty famously. We didn't give crackdown through great score but so many people played crackdown. Three on places. Didn't give it a great score but a crackdown. Three a lot of people are like well. I just pick it up on game pass and time. I didn't pay sixty dollars. For to my subscription playstation shows people ratchet and clank and people are going to go by ratchet clank tied. I just don't know when we're going to see that equivalent. Like i genuinely don't know if that is a near term thing if that's like a two or three years down the line if and when we start to see sales level out in that's also i mean it's i would argue that that would currently cannibalize the the sales of their their pitch of you'll spend seventy dollars for high quality games like the way i've been describing it to people Is that a past kind of feels like netflix. And playstation five feels like like i max or it's like four or five times a year you you spend the extra money and you get this kind of amazing experience but netflix to you know most evenings to see what's on there and it's like you know animal dating shows whatever like gross so weird stuff i yeah. I'm not like i'm watching those things. Nope no problem with people that do but it also if you know. When i pay for netflix i feel. I'm like 'i kickstarting the next. Tlc like what is this but no it's a it. It definitely feels like there's a and that's not to say the microsoft doesn't have a ton of high quality games because they definitely do. And i think the fact that like they're taking games like forza and halo and putting the directly to game pass is awesome and i know people will probably buy them anyway because some people do that but if sony can top end. Npd with ratchet for seventy bucks and return all and they can get those games up up there. Then i don't really know if they're in a rush i like we've said this for years but i think what they really needed. Do change the branding on playstation. Now they have something in their back pocket. that's already kind of their. That can compete with it. They got a ring that bill. A little louder If you look at some of the most popular games on playstation now like they're big awesome games. But i don't think that the average consumer knows as much about or at least they don't on modern social media because we just hear about game pass every single day but there are so many awesome things on now they just don't surface as well because that's services sort of secondary to ps plus and. I mean now has to step up. Its game like i. I think that the infrastructure is there but if it's gonna compete with game haas which at this point you know. We don't know yet because we haven't seen that sea change but everything points towards a game pasta being the best value for your buck right now in in gaming that's a competitive stance. Take and if you're gonna compete with that any already got the infrastructure. Which tony does it just needs to be. It just needs to be better. We need to see like new games coming in on playstation now day one and now still as far as i know at least like the last time restricted. I don't think it's changed in the last week or two. But there aren't playstation five games on there even yet so we're still waiting for for the latest general releases but yet like going back to what's been said i. I totally agree. I think like the game has narrative is definitely shifting. And changing i think playstation. We'll have to respond to it at some point. But yeah it's this fascinating thing. Were as you were saying. Brian like they are really trying to make that. You will spend seventy bucks for this thing and you know we're still waiting on the pd for rush clink. I believe but i'm sure it was near the top if not pretty high up fraternal wasn't my top ten. As a completely new franchise on one of the least available systems around like a. There's amazing i seventy dollars. Bleak sifi endlessly killing you game like. That's that's not really one of those things you'd associate. But i mean i think that's a that's an awesome game so it's well deserved and like honestly i believe I'll say outright. Like i believe what for me. Personally lake playstation makes the games. I wanna play over xbox right like the fist putty studios games on playstation those. That's for me right end like xbox heads especially now with the Position has a lot more but like gel. When i think about it i wanna play Pots years games. What what playstation during this is like saying oh x. fox's is just killing it in crushing it but i think explosives playing a different game than making some really smart moves that sony needs to address in order to keep up because like the games will only take them so far as the as the the sort of the industry changes and as a the competition changes And that's what. I want to see from sunday because i believe that the games are always going to be like tall quality that that's how i feel whereas with xbox is more of a mixed bag why i think it's really interesting like i'm sorry to interrupt you go ahead. I think what's really interesting about the disparity between playstation i party studios and xbox first party studios is the establishment of i party studio means in respect to each of those those companies right like. I've not been xbox guy. I've always been a playstation nintendo guy but this is the first. This is the first generation that i have an xbox. And i've been playing a lot of stuff on series x third party stuff specifically because i just i'm just really liking playing games that right now however when i think of what each company has to offer when i think of sony i think a first party studios like naughty dog like sucker punch right like these studios that have made themselves synonymous with the playstation brand and. I don't think that. I don't think that xbox has studios that have that same sort of correlation right like i definitely think like like you're you're talking about bethesda as part of their acquisition in. Yeah for sure. That's a huge. Get but that still doesn't feel like an xbox studio to me that it will and that's what i'm that's all i'm getting to is a studio like playground making horizon and fable like that doesn't make for xbox but i don't think of them synonymous xbox studio in the same way that i do. But that's the other part of this is that narratives gonna change right. Because they because of the fact that they've bolstered adding of city and adding ninja theory like all of these games making games. That are exclusive to xbox. I think we will see that that that kind of sentiment that kind of conversation change. I think part of that to something that you were just saying there. That really came to mind for me is like someone who has owned since the original xbox like three sixty three sixty years before i had a. Ps three that generation. Like i associate A few like a few franchises with xboxes backs fox's output when lesser gears right. Those also changed hands. It's like right you know bungee and then it went to three for three for halo and gears exactly three for three has had ups and downs with halo where some of the multiplayer work drills people didn't love halo fives campaign. I'm like feeble was obviously lying head thing and people love playground but playground hasn't made a fable yet and so they are very talented teams. But the the franchises that all of them are associated with a really coming into their own. I think more now for those studios Obviously not like disparage. Any of the that's been done by any of them. But just like i think to your point of. I don't associate three four three as a xbox studio i associate halo is an xbox brand brand right and like just to play devil's advocate to that like obviously the four of us have been in the playstation station passion for so long xbox fans might be listening to this conversation. It'd be like you guys are crazy. Of course those xbox studios. When i'm like i totally think it's fair to say that especially through the xbox one generation which was you know tumultuous generation for them i think especially the fans that stuck with them like i plead. I'll halo one. Two and three are probably some of my most played games on all time. And but you know. I kind of jumped ship when it came to him for five and i just. I went away from them but they're very possibly people who have this very fond affection for three for three brand. You're totally right. That just may be there. It's just not something whereas cognitively close but just like at least in terms of the general mainstream conversation of all i feel like we talk about xbox and halo and gears and forza whereas we do talk about police station with the last us in soccer and goes to sue shema who we also talk about playstation with sucker punch and santiago ninety it feels like the teams have that prominence. I think xbox is getting there and once they do we're gonna have a lot of interesting back and forth discussions on that stuff. Yeah i mean if you if you look at these. Two companies racing i mean. I don't know nintendo's like in the race there. They've had the best selling console for thirty months in a row. Yeah like they're they're all over here being like what should these guys do nintendo. It's just like woohoo like so. That's the funniest thing dilemmas again. But if it's if you about it to people racing which is a very like a children's metaphor playstation has been miles ahead for very long time now You know. Microsoft wasn't even reporting sales numbers for their consoles for all of last generation because things are so tepid for a long time And they had some great decisions had some great games in some powerful hardware. They did not report sales like period. And that's very different than what they were doing. The generation before on the generation before that And so it's sort of like microsoft is making all these moves right now to catch up because they have to and i'm not sure how much of the race sony needs to spend looking backwards or looking to the right instead of just like running forward and seeing what's working like obviously there's a detriment to only focusing on what you're doing and assuming it will keep working forever right at sort of the definition of insanity but also like. I don't know if we should be giving sony like so much shit that they need to be doing. All the things that microsoft is doing because microsoft is only doing those things to get to a fraction of the level. That sony's already been at for a long time. And i'm just i'm not just talking about quality of games and output and stuff like that. I'm talking specifically about numbers at the end of the day. If you're selling a bunch of things and your third party games are selling better on playstation and you know a first party games are hitting higher metacritic by and large And i tweeted recently about how much i been playing my series x more than might be as five. I love it. And i got a bunch of shit from playstation fans and like that's part of it is every three days somebody will call one of fan boy for the opposite reason the media three days before that. That's fine who cares. We're all did. Since learning will end soon. Kids will go back to school. They won't be on their computers as much. Got anything just quickly to make it clear because this is something that comes up obviously in the comments every week and we always have to talk about we all own all of the systems. I think it's fair to say and obviously feel free to tell me if you disagree. I want both companies to be doing well because it only forces both companies to play a better game and to try harder and to compete at the end of the day. I want reasons to go to my xbox. And i'm glad that they are on the way like i as someone who really played by three sixty time never touched my xbox one even though i had one i'm so happy that for horizon five looks amazing halo infinite looks really read like two is out in a few months even not platform like coming from double all the stuff. I'm so happy that they have all the stuff on the way. Because i do think it is going to push playstation but i. I do agree with you. Brian like playstation right. Now i totally think is in the mindset of. We don't need to want to compete with them. While we're still ahead. Ben mcadoo. I'm going to say one more thing. I hate myself for doing this. Because i do. It like in relationships. And i'm like i just have one more thing to say. It's like a alarm cover. I'd love this conversation. You guys. i agree to a point. I think that there has to be understanding that what xbox is doing is extraordinarily consumer friendly extraordinarily consume afford right. And i think that there is something to be said. There's something really powerful about that you know. I think that we're going to get to a point where things are coming out on gay gay poss- that's game on us day. One and i. I can play station as asking seventy seventy bucks a game right at. It's just like you're gonna get to a point with. That's going to reach critical mass. I believe and i think that playstation does need to be more competitive. And i want them to be more competitive because playstation right and so. I don't think i think sitting on your laurels only gets you so far And as much as i believe in the quality of playstation like fish potty gates. I come i. I am astounded at how far they've come in the last like six seven years. I think it does need to be a degree of competition. The does a degree of like. Okay i see what the competition is. Doing that is a smart move. We need to start thinking about what we're gonna do. Offer that to our fan base you you mentioned earlier. They talked about the number of new games. They have the number of new games. They have in their on their slate. And how many of those are our new. Ip and that is going to be the thing that that i think takes them to the upper echelon right like those those new ip the the ability for playstation to crank out so many franchises from their first party studios new and established. I think is. Yeah that's going to be huge for them so and just to go. Sorry brian nigga just really quick i think one of the most important things you said busey was the this sort of like the consumer friendly aspect of it. I do think that like that. The those are very sort of. Diametrically opposed philosophies is to sell a seventy dollar game vs following a fifteen dollar twelve dollar. Whatever eight dollars ten dollar one dollar if you get that deal a month of sort of like hundreds of different games. I think that the thing. I do want them. The rip off for microsoft. Was that like kind of announcement. They put a few days before he three. which was. hey like we're moving towards a future where we are not just Sort of co dependent on the traditional model of a box. Play video games. we wanna put Are streaming services. We wanna put our games onto smart. Tv's phones computers. And stuff like that. I think that'd be awesome because like that's the kind of thing where it's like. I'll buy a playstation six. But if i can also access all of those games the a cloud on a laptop on a work trip or You know on a smart tv in a different room. Like i can tell my friends about games. But i don't have to tell them you have to you know. Spend six months on stock x. Fighting scalpers for the six hundred dollar five hundred or console like you. Just buy the games. i think. That's like a big. That's a big barrier for entry. That i think that we can. We can chop down a little bit. And that's what i love to see. Because that means that is ultimately to me removing the walls between The consumers and the amazing stories being told by game developers right now and sony has tons of those. And if i can tell you know my dentist and a few years i had i had a new. I met some new dentists yesterday. And i was there for an hour and a half because we were talking about video games which is amazing. I haven't talked to like a stranger about video games in years. So it's great But here's like sorta asking me. Which council would you get right now. This conversation and i was thinking about. Just how cool it would be to sort of be like. Hey what if you didn't have to have a conversation with your wife about which five hundred dollar box. You had a hunt down. What if you didn't have to follow warrior. Sixty four as like a forty something year old dentist figure out how to get again console. You could just like download an app on your smart tv and play the last of three. That's that's super cool. And i hope that's where they're heading. I think they will for sure. Can i ask you this conversation that you had your dentist. Was it while he was working on your teeth. Did he just had an appliance in your mouth of positive. A lot of thumbs up thumbs down to meantime. You were having this existential threat. Like super super awesome. Yeah you're saying the game's called toast of sushi just quickly. Because i totally agree with you. I think like we talk about accessibility. A lot on the show. And we just had steve sailer on for a russian hype discussion talking about accessibility within that game but just purely accessibility to games being able to play a game as where you find it to be available is i think going to be a huge change thing that will affect a lot of the choices people make just to go back a little bit to something. You had said zack. Animal sorta of wrap up this part of the show. But uh something. You said. That i i do. Think it's worth talking about. Whenever lesion has a circuit showcase you're mentioning like square show and capcom show. That people felt like we said on. The show didn't really need to happen. There were really big absences from those shows. And it does feel like playstation kinda had the right of first refusal for things like final fantasy sixteen which wasn't therefore offer spoken which wasn't any three four motto. Which is the one of the few officially announced cap right on the way placing shouldn't has this mine. Sure third parties as well where they are going to try to. You know get conflict sluice's. We saw that with now. Microsoft when studio with death lewitt studios with death loop and guzzler tokyo. Hey brian and so you know we. We saw these games available on brian. Bnb formerly playstation. Game no we saw these games playstations. Clearly trying to double down on the idea of like you come to playstation for exclusive experiences. i do. That's i think. Part of the impetus for me of like why. I think we'll see a showcase from them. Soon as those are really really the games. No one said a word about it right right right after what. Yeah obviously we are. We are in one of these holding patterns and the thing. We talked about a lot. Last year of like playstation silence can be deafening silence that they are choosing as they know when they speak up. Everyone's gonna listen. I think brian you're saying like they can shut up for months. And then get you know quadruple. The audience that ensure e-3 dead. I also think that we're we're kind of considering twenty twenty one to be a slower playstation year but if we get to the end of the year and we've got returnable ratchet and clank and horizon zero dawn and a bevy of awesome indecent third party games. That's pretty solid lineup. Still and like what is twenty twenty two in two thousand twenty three gonna look for this box cause i be willing to put money on it. That it's their backers like And going to be delayed. I'm yeah i don't know i feel i feel. I feel pretty confident that it won't but we talked about taking bets on games skipping lucy's but she had a best man be flexible right and it comes time like again like ambling ring over like the post is great. Okay cool not when the stakes alone. I mean a bunch of different vices during covid so throat gambling. I only go for trading places style. The only way. I tend to Saw that movie. When i was stuck with me forever since quarter blood technique out whenever we get playstation news will of course be covering it here on podcast beyond but in addition to the news we hopelessly. We've had games that we have actually seen and been playing and are playing a lot of stuff and there's a lot of releases both recent. Maybe a little bit older. That i know we all want to talk about zakho. Start with you as guest of honor. This week would have even playing recently even really enjoy. Yeah i've been. I've been slowly bouncing. Between a few different things ratchet and clank first and foremost man. I i don't think i've ever seen a game. That looks like this game like it looks amazing and every time. I think i've seen something that i'm like. Wow there's nothing that this game can show me. That will be better than this area or this action setpiece or whatever it does something even crazier like it really looks amazing and fun to play. It has like a really endearing story. Like i played a handful of ratchet clank games and i feel like for the most part i roll credits and i think okay. That was nice game. Like i had fun playing it. I don't i've never really been super invested in the story. This one different different kind of like really love story and just having a good time with that. I also played the final fantasy seven. Which i didn't love i know i know. We scored very highly of people. people online. Seem to really be loving it. Didn't it didn't do a lot for me. I thought the combat was really cool. Feels kind of like a platinum game but the story itself the length the Where it ends up like the last you know the final cut scenes and stuff set definitely set up more suffered the sequel but still no one. That's coming in so just kind of a you know. I thought it was like i thought of flying over the weekend and as of hasn't played any final. Fantasy like the the original numb. I i i kind of agree with you. I had really fun not fun. Time with individual aspects of it as a whole package it is very destroyed for carter. Whips ask though condor is incredible. I said this last week but that on mobile or make it a downloadable game. I will happily spend too much microtransactions. Absolutely yeah for condor is awesome. I liked the story teasers toward the end of someone who doesn't know where things go but it felt very like ham fisted in there. it almost felt like scenes. either. They didn't finish in time for the original release or like. Oh maybe it'll be good to have these before we get to park partout right It didn't really need to be there for this deal sea But yeah like you said you. Use combat is really cool. It is very much more action heavy and a little bit on that platinum side. It's an odd package episode and also. It's pretty short like i completion. This round. Probably take you ten to fifteen hours but like just play it front to back is about three and a half the four like i blew through it pretty quickly. Then i went back and like a bunch of before it condor and stuff. But you know i am. I thought it was fine. I was a little disappointed to be honest. And and i really loved the base final fantasy seven game. So maybe i'll go back and play an integrated now that i have In the other maybe wanna go back. Yeah yeah and then the other thing that. I've been playing. Also yeah like this this stuff at the end like you're seeing here. It's like real deep cut. Final fantasy seven. Lor this these characters from dirge of cerberus. Which is the game on playstation two that like forty people played like it's really deep cuts stuff but then the other thing that i've been playing as mass effect. I'm about halfway through mass effect. Three fricken love those games. And i love those games before i played the legacy collection. If that's what it's called legendary. I don't remember but i played mass effect in a really weird way. I borrowed an xbox to play the original one. I played mass effect on playstation. And then like years later. I don't know why. But years later. I bought a we we use secondhand and it came with a bunch of games in one of them was mass effect. Three so i played that there which was not the right choice. And you know when you're playing those games on disparate consoles. Your progress doesn't carry over the choices you make. Don't don't carry over in playing it all in one. Go playing it all in one sitting. It just feels like several seasons of this awesome scifi show and you know the the choices that you make in one totally pay in three and you run into characters. I remember this person. I helped them do this thing in such a rewarding feeling and i think that there are so many things that that playing it now especially were so far ahead of its time and you see its influence in modern games but then it's also it's also really funny to play this collection and see its shortcomings because like man. The journal sucks so much. I get so old and just like i'm so surprised that they didn't try and improve that at all. And you know all the stuff with the. Monaco is still really bad in the first game. And so it's a mixed package. But if you haven't played those games man. They're really something else to go back to brian. I know you had started playing the original mass effect and it didn't seem super hot on it. Did you stick with it or did you hang up now. I'm going to skip right to to. I got ten hours in the first one and was just kind of like you know what i'm good here like it. Just i feel like they. They put a lot of very thousand seven for short which is interesting. 'cause i i can play games a lot. Don't usually have a problem with. But i think this one particularly just something just doesn't totally gel with me The character models are super funny. Like the way it's kinda like there is all look like they like. They painted them on like. It's just there's all this like really like it's a really pretty. They put a lot of really pretty paint on something. That's like very Kind of old than an stilted. but i'm still a lot of weird graphical technical stuff that's happening in the ocean as well. Where cares will just pop into a different position or like a cut scene. What kind of skipped weird. It's it's strange. But i had like points like pop up like ten minutes later than they were supposed to like. You had to like basically like trigger them into the environment just like running. They're just like weird little hiccups and stuff like that which again. I don't really mind. Like i said i i. I'll go back and play games a lot. But i mean said into jumping in the second one because like from what i've heard i can kind of catch up on the first one so in five minutes or something. That's the thing that i've told like folks that haven't played this series. Is you can the second one when you start the second one. It gives you the opportunity to like essentially play through a visual novel. That's not long like it doesn't take very long to get through it but essentially plays out like motion comic book like where it shows you the story of massachusetts one. And let's make all of those choices that you would have made in the base game so those choices actually do get imported what you lose is like side quests stuff you know like characters that you meet over the course of your play like that don't necessarily fit the overall narrative But you can totally make those choices. Bring those choices into mass effect. Two which is like the leap between two and three is impressive with elite between one and two is staggering. Like it it is a completely different. Feel is i said to us act like i don't even remember because i played one to the exact times. They came out and it was a long time ago right. And i don't remember anything about one nothing So much about two. And yes i know that to later that it was just such a profoundly game will the end the story lines with just saw memorable and so much better and it. Yeah i just. Don't remember why i think one has a very one wears its influences on its sleeve. It's very clear that like it's pulling from a lot of these different fi tropes and like classic fi stuff. I'm to tell like a pretty. I won't say rudimentary but like okay. There's one clear bad guy and we have to save the world to is character specific driven mystery. And like it's a it's a totally different way or telling in like you know it wants you to get invested in those characters as opposed to like buying in the world and so like the first game was great world setting in the second one is like a character exploration and then the third one just kind of ties everything up and has like. I've not finished it yet. This time around but all mallet hits did fun fact. I went to the mass effect. Three what did they even cohen. These days like studio. It was like a media. Thing is like a handful of us as working for a playstation magazine in australia at the time and it was in a canada in edmonton which they bilour is based. It took us forty hours to get there from the date. We stopped on so many different places. We stopped in san francisco. And then were there for hours. And anyway we get that and we saw alike boards and then we just went much. It was a delight to be there into the sea the studio and see in our the edmonton cold But yeah it was just hilarious like making that message trick and enlightened learning. Nothing really about three. I did tricked once for a game. That was definitely wasn't forty hours but it was. It was a trip. And i watched the i the trailer on like a laptop in like a small cubicle. Went back to the airport and it was one of those like this could have been in email. Yeah exactly those yeah. Those are some interesting trips. I love the idea that are took u. f. o. Mass effect play through to get to the studio. And then you saw what essentially is like the on walk like oh we have a bonus story for you to look at too you just. Didn't we had some interviews. But it was just not. there is no no relation. I am. I am still in one but i i very much excited to get to those leaps that you're talking about sack. I can't wait to actually played through this. Because i'm i'm digging like the character and the world to the fact that to become so much. More of a focus on them is really really exciting. Yeah what have you been playing. Well i think playing richland client. Which is my ratchet and clank. And i've discovered truth things about it one is that it's got a real late nineteenth cartoon vibe which i really enjoy it. It's very so to speak to me on like that level of my childhood. Of course it's ridiculously pretty's won't belabor that point I'm really enjoying it. But it's just taking me back to that period of time. When i used to play like jack index sta which was of late teens in when i was in college And you just have all this sort of like free time when you were like avoiding studying whatever i just sit there like slumped playing these platform games and they would kind of like quite childlike but like really well crafted And would collect things but it's taking me back to that time like it's it's it. It is perfect for what it is trying to do. But it is very much taking me back to an era of a certain like type of game that i have not played in a long time. So i'm gonna finding myself like really enjoying it but disliked sitting there like slack jawed like this feeling that familiar groove of the old school kind of like nineties platform game and of course it's not bat like specific aided in many many ways But the vibe of is still like kind of old school and lake i. I'm enjoying it. i'm having lost. But it certainly feels like it is an old school platforma. That has been upgraded. You know twenty twenty one. I love this game so much. i'm. I'm so glad we're all playing it or have played it because it's like i i think it's just so special. It does so many just incredibly smart things that i think are kind of understated for example it is consistently dumping all these new weapons on you that are relatively light and ammo and so you'll run out of them quickly and be like oh crap like i was so good with that gun but i guess i'll switch over to the mushroom fake like what the hell is neath. Shoot a couple of those and they run out and you're like all right. I'll jump over to something else and you're constantly incrementally upgrading. All of those things and leveling them up as you use them more so not only. Are you rewarded for Using them sort of in. You know synchronicity and flipping around between all of them. Which gets you outside of your comfort zone. Gets you playing different weapons but also you can bring him to that. You know sassy woman who is always just like. Hey i'll upgrade your guns to you can put your little blue rocks all in the holes and they'll be strong and big and good like i think it's like super fun. The way they do that. Because they're you know fifteen ten hours the toilet we're told ours the game they're like you go to the shop and she's like i've got three more weapons for you and you like how i have twenty already and you're like a cool like a glove that shoots holograms great albeit. Let's get it. This one shoots little green robots over the crease. This turns a guy who tree by them. All sure as i think that's really smart I do think like as sort of like a hardcore sort of old school platforming guy. The platforming is amazing. I think that the level design gets a little bit falls apart a little bit when you start to dig around in the margins a little bit. It feels a little bit like when you're at disneyworld and everything is so bespoke and beautiful but then you look to a corner where you shouldn't look and there's a in the rockwall. There's like an employee restroom door of deep pockets of this game that make you feel like you should be exploring them Once you get over there it's kind of like an invisible wall of pop pursue a barrier or something like that and that's sort of antithetical to the way that i play something super mario three super mario games were sort of invited to poke around every single corner. Because there's probably going to be tough hidden everywhere. So that's one of the only downsides. But i think that's it's at the same side it's like it's it's kind of the plus that this game is so good that it has me digging around all corners like lucy or tweeting about. How like this game. Has you collecting stuff that you wouldn't probably just skip in a normal game right. Oh i am so compelled like i'm doing aca free thing here. I'm getting. I'm doing every science i go. I go in the spaceship and you see a thing you haven't done. I'm going to go do it because it's just so much fun. How can you ignore something. That's like optional. Find the missing chef yakking and be like. I'm not gonna do that. this is going to make. This is gonna make me sound like a seventy year. Old conservative senator. Who's like boycotting video games. Like the fact that when i was a kid there was like four characters on screen at once. Everything's slowed down and whatever game you're playing versus now. We're this is the busiest video game i've ever played. I switched the The little bowl collectible over to the cans some thousands of soda cans all of the ground everywhere and is lightning bolts and lasers and hundreds of enemies in this. It's crazy busy. I love it there. So much stuff going on at the first couple of hours that i played it. I had a hard time keeping track of everything completely honestly like especially in those first areas where there's like cars flying everywhere in characters walking on the street and you're shooting stuff that's exploding in all these particles and there's all these particle effects elsewhere legitimately like the first hour sauces. Wow it it's almost hard to navigate because there's just so much stuff happening and eventually like you figure out how to see the matrix and understand you know and like that's the thing about this game also like the accessibility mosul. Allow you to change all that stuff. The work better for how you perceive things but yeah man for a little bit there. I was like. I don't know if i'm going to be able to stick with this. It's making my my brain tired busy. That's how i felt like it. This is game that made me feel. i know. I made jokes about the fed. That i'm old than this game made me feel relentlessly old. I totally enjoying it. I'm still really enjoying it. But i'm just like oh the colors you know just so much going on. There was definitely a time where i was like. I have a vague. Fundamental idea of how a video game gets made theoretically now. I'm like nope. No clue wizards up at a studio for two years in secrecy and this appears i don't understand any of it it's rock solid. It barely hiccups. It's insane. I don't i don't it's i'm so happy for it. And they put this out after. Doing miles morales the spiderman remastered. Like they just keep going. It's it's wild i am. I just want to see the next vitamin like now. We've got ratchet done and we can see insomniac flex in a way that we've never seen inflicts before. I just cannot wait for the next five man. Yeah i saw people like they're like memes going round where people were just like like the when when you when you run past bush in this game. It doesn't even move. And was i was like. Are you kidding me like this. This is what we're talking about our what everything is happening here. Criticism there like it doesn't even move. There was this other trend op. Twitter of i can only assume people who hate playstation two playstation or like out. Here's the small. Little graphical thing i can point out to show that this game is somehow bad and it was all over you know. You can't just insanely small puddles It's ridiculous i'm very glad was not taken too seriously. Because it's the the work they're doing this is just. It's stunning and i am. I'm so we didn't need puddle gate. We don't need bush gate or whatever. That's yeah. I can't wait to see where they go from here. Just sort of ever running a little short on time brian. Anything else that. You wanted to give a shoutout to get into next week. I i i can live with a whole bunch of far cry games recently but i'll talk about it next time. Yeah we've we haven't talked too much about sexy out. We can definitely do that in the coming weeks. But yeah it's a very exciting time as we were saying. We can't wait to see what's coming out in the future. But if you haven't played rushing clanking have a ps five go. Pick up ratchet clank. It's very very great game right now. It's probably the best reason to own a playstation like reminds me we need to update our top. Ps five games list should in addiction. At look you can look for return later on jan. i. I do want to wrap up the show with Our segment memory card. Which we haven't done it a couple of reason we because they've been very very busy but memory card is of course our our segment where you listeners at home move right in with wacky weird sad. Happy whatever memories of your playstation gaming life and be read them on the show this week but this week i wanted to to zach for those who may not have seen this zacks last week at and he is he is absconding away from us and i wanted t