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SNCC Activists on What It Was Like to Work With John Lewis

TIME's Top Stories

04:19 min | 3 months ago

SNCC Activists on What It Was Like to Work With John Lewis

"We were the sum total of our work. Activists Dorey and Joyce ladner recall what it was like to organize with John Lewis in the nineteen sixties. Dorie ladner retired clinical social worker is a former s NC seafield secretary Joyce. ladner sociologist is a former SNC. See Field Secretary. Dorie Ladner. Sister and I met John. Lewis in Jackson Mississippi when we were students had to Gallo College. He was one of the freedom writers who returned to Mississippi to settle some matters related to parchman penitentiary where they were all jailed in nineteen, sixty one after being arrested while defying segregation, they came back to pay their bonds and settled their legal issues at the time I was learning about nonviolent action and community organizing, and after I started becoming involved with US NC see in the movement I would often see him in meetings along with the rest of the group's leaders Diane Nash. James, bevill and others. Joyce Ladner The public is attaching words like saint to John But. We certainly didn't view him that way. He was arrested a lot back in the early years. You put your life on the line for a purpose to get freedom for black people who were denied the right to vote. My sister once asked him John Why do you keep allowing these racists to beat you over your head? It was the times in which we lived. It was not black lives. Matter Times. Times but a small band of young southern, mostly black people fought against extraordinarily powerful people and structures, and helped dismantle them will were the sum total of our work, Dorey I ended up dropping out of school in December of nineteen, sixty two, and went to work for SNC sees Atlanta office, which was the size of a closet, because history was being made, and I had to be a part of it. We were all in our early twenty s trying to. To figure out what we were going to do with our lives, and how we were going to survive making nine dollars sixty four cents a week after taxes moving from place to place, not knowing where we were going to sleep the next night or eat, we lived off the black community. The people fed us and that's how we survived. That was the whole concept of SNC see and the movement. For the most part. We were all of the same mindset. Mindset. Doctor King had more elevation because of his stature. He was a family man of some means, but we were students. Singing was one of our primary organizing tools. John couldn't sing that well, but we all enjoyed singing singing brought joy and peace and calm to us. It's very difficult to organize a group of scared people in Selma, Alabama and Albany. Georgia, but once you start singing, everyone joins in common core, and it gives you more power and strength. Joyce. Before, he announced his diagnosis. He came to a gala at which I was honored. And I noticed he was smaller. We were going to get together for lunch, but I never followed through. We embraced, and he asked me about my sister, and that was it, but he was the same John. The Public John You saw speaking on those stages was not that different from John Our friend. Daury. Growing up in Jim Crow Mississippi. Our mother trained us to stand up for ourselves John, Lewis was soft spoken, so I tried to get a rise out of him. Sometimes, it was all in good fun. He laughed it off John Admired strong women. He admired intelligence. He knew I would go down fighting and he liked that about me and I respected him for his beliefs his nonviolence. We learned from each other that even though we all had our beliefs, we were in a common cause for justice and Equality, and we would do whatever is necessary to try to achieve those goals as told in two conversations to Livia be waxman.

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Dorie Greenspan:  Ice Cream, Lobster, Ice Cream

Your Last Meal With Rachel Belle

34:25 min | 1 year ago

Dorie Greenspan: Ice Cream, Lobster, Ice Cream

"Your last meal is sponsored by heritage distilling company craft and small batch vodkas Jin's and whiskeys drink locally drink responsibly by Rosie Etel. I'm Rachel bell. And this is your last meal a show that famous people in the stories behind the foods, they love most today on the program prolific cookbook, author Dorie Greenspan doors thirteen cookbooks, including an award-winning baking book for Julia child. She has five James beard award. She's been on the New York Times bestseller list twice. And she writes the on desert column for the New York Times magazine, her latest book, everyday Dory. The way I cook came out in October. And it's one of Dory's you cookbooks that isn't entirely focused on desserts, but Dori loves sweets. If this was a small town local TV news broadcast instead of a very sophisticated cliche free podcasts. I might tell you that Dory is a sweet as the desert she bakes because it's actually true. And for her last meal, she plans to bookend her dinner with desserts deserve I. Yep. What was the say? Life is short. Eat dessert. I yeah. That's what the little button on. My wall says the for a last meal really is short dessert. I so we're gonna talk about the benefits of eating dessert. I with food network and today show food and lifestyle expert brandy Malloy, and I'm bringing back one of my favorite guests from a past episode. I IRA vedic counselor. Jody Boone says if you're somebody who loves sweets, then you're going to desert anyway. So eat it first. So that you don't end up over eating. Do you eat the save lunch? Every day. Do you always have a hard boiled egg for breakfast? We're gonna talk about being a creature of habit with the most intensely habitual creature that I've ever encountered Donald Gorski from Fonda lack Wisconsin is in the Guinness Book of world records for eating more big Macs than anyone else on the planet. How many are you up to at this point eating at least two a day since nineteen seventy two. Number thirty thousand four hundred ninety three intrigued good. There's a lot more coming up from Donald and act three of the show. But I right now my interview with Dorie Greenspan. I want to know about your history because I learned a new word today. I saw that you were going to school for gerontology die pronounce. All right. Yeah. You take you did a good job. And then you quit that job and got into cookie baking. But first of all what is gerontology? What were you studying? How did you transition to cookies so join tala jeez. The study of aging so I got married when I was nineteen years old junior college never cooked before. And all I wanted to do was learn to cook. And so I cooked baked in cooked baked in I got a job, and I went to graduate school and got this degree in gerontology. And when actually I'm all, but dissertation couldn't be finishing. I didn't want to do this. I couldn't face going back to work. And my husband said, why don't you get a job baking you love baking? I had no skill. No training. No talent. But but I did get a job baking got fired a month later, but that's a whole. Other story. So the transition really was from following a very sit traditional course to saying. Hey, this isn't what I wanna do. Yeah. And starting to bake the reason that you didn't cook. Until you got married stemmed from something kind of traumatic that happened in your childhood. Well, it was. It's yes. My poor mother. I burn the kitchen down like completely burning around. No, kind of the cabinets above the oven. Okay. Trash the C E N. It'd just been renovated. I tried to make frozen. I'd never cooked anything. I wanted to make frozen French fries for my friends in. So it said fried, and I thought you need all and I put a big pot of boy of oil up to boil tongue twister put a lid on it. And when I took the little out came these they were mazing flames. They were blue. They were yellow they were orange and we call the fire. So you got the marshmallows out and you made s'mores instead. So I hadn't cooked before I wasn't allowed to cook. After how old were you? When that happened. I was seventh grade. So what was I twelve twelve? Yeah. You on a James beard award for your last book, which was all about cookies. Yes, I know out of a huge book in a lifetime of baking. You can't pick one cookie. But what is your go-to cookie? What is your favorite or your most requested so morally, I would say I can't pick a favorite. But there is a cookie that really special to me, and it's the world. Peace cookie the world peace cookie. So it's the cookie this on the cover of Dory's cookies, but it's also a cookie that I've been making, you know, it's now almost about twenty years. So I the recipe came to me originally from peer air me, and it was called the Korovou cookie. And he hit created. He's a Parisian pastry. Chef he created for restaurant in Paris. And I published it in my book, para sweets, and I thought finished that's it. And then what was coming? The Ovid or New York apartment and neighbor said, you know, those cookies I love them. I don't know what you call them. We call them world peace cookies, and I thought with the name like that they're going into my next book. If you Google world peace cookies there are now over a million. I mean, it's just like become a worldwide thing. It's chocolate cookie across between a shortbread and the texture of a chocolate. Chip cookie has chocolate chunks, and it has salt in it. And it's very simple. It's a slice and baked cookie. It's magical and the name the name is so great. Yeah. Why did they call the world peace because they said if everyone in the world had this cookie? There would be peace. Do you have to make this cookie? Do people expect it they want this cookie? Yes. Exactly, let's talk about your last meal. What would you choose to eat for your last meal something that took a really long time to eat? That's what all the smart people say when they come on. Mine last meal to think about it, actually. So I used to think that my last meal would just be ice cream a lot of ice cream like about tubful. Yeah. Like that would do it. But now, I'm a grownup and more sensible, and so I would start with scream and a love lobster. And I love inspired less meal. I can do anything I want right, right? So I can really like eat it with my fingers and chew on the knuckle bones. And and that takes a long time. Right. So I would have I think I would have ice cream lobster lobster lobster and then for desert I would put hot fudge sauce and toasted nuts on the ice cream. Okay. So it's like an ice cream sandwich. I love I love that idea because I find that by the end of the meal a lot of the time. My palate is fatigued or I'm not really hungry anymore. Eat desert. It's still good. But if you eat at the beginning, it's a real good because you're still hungry, and it's like a fresh flavor. So I like dessert I deserve. I what kind of ice cream would you like on either end of your ice cream sandwich? So many flavors. I like I like anything that has chunks of chocolate, and I'm a sucker for mint chocolate. Chip had the mint chocolate. Chip. I get me ready for the lobster and then have chocolate coffee and hot fudge sauce, toasted nuts crunch. Maybe a cookie whipped cream. I don't care. Oh, no. I like I like whip cream enough but hot Sijun ice cream. That's where it's at. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. Dori told me a story that illustrates just how much she loves ice cream has been mine have the kid. I've stop calling him that because he just got married. He would always say that he wanted ice cream for dessert. And it would always be just a bit time. And I'd say to him you go to sleep, and I'll tell you what you can have ice cream for breakfast. And he'd wake up in the more. This post those terrible mother. I was going to say mom of the year. No, no. Because I ate the ice cream between the time. He went to bed and breakfast. I will have finished. I'm out of control with ice cream is the only thing if you put it in front of me, no matter how much it is. Yeah. I will eat it. And so I took food and of the baby's mouth that is terrible. He's still me. Did you have the intention of giving it to him in the morning? Were you trying to eat it? Also, you couldn't have any. Really meant to save some for him. Terrible terrible. Okay. So desert. I do you ever do it. I'm not talking about mindlessly snacking on sweets before dinner. I'm talking about purposely planning your meal with the desert. I I only have one memory of doing this. I was out to dinner with a friend all day I had been craving chocolate and we're looking at the menu. And I'm like, I just I just want to eat dessert. It's like you're trained so hard by your parents that you're not supposed to do that that I asked my friend for permission. She said, yes, I asked for dessert menu. I got my dessert. I I can't remember what I had it was so satisfying. And then afterwards I had like a tiny salad or something because I was artful from desert, but it was totally worth it. So when we come back, we're gonna learn the benefits of eating dessert. I from a scientific point of view from an ir vedic point of view and just bring joy to your life point of view. We'll be right back. It is cocktail hour here on your last meal with heritage distilling company in if you're like me, and you are not doing dry ury. And you need something to do on these cold dark winter nights. If you happen to be an Oregon or Washington, go to a heritage distilling company tasting room. They have six of them. There are two and gig harbor Washington. 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If your childhood was like, my childhood you had to finish your dinner before you could have dessert was your childhood, like, the seren- Mason. Oh, yeah. Very much so head to clean the whole plate. Yeah. And either you were the kid who sat there for hours crying because you didn't finish. And you never got dessert or you like Hort the whole thing down, and almost choke to death just to try to get to your milk and cookies, well, it turns out, maybe our parents were wrong. Maybe this is why we're all in therapy on antidepressants eating something sweet before a meal might actually be good for us. Jodi Boone is an ir Veda counselor and therapist in Seattle. She's also my yoga teacher, and you may remember her and her very soothing voice from the Nicki Bluhm episode that we did last February. That's when she explained Veda an ancient Indian way of living that translates to the science of life. Vega is about creating balance in all aspects of your life. And it focuses primarily on how we eat how we sleep and spend our energy, so depending on your body type your temperamental, gut health. If you run hot or cold it prescribes you certain foods, the idea is that food is like medicine. So for example, if you have a fiery personality, and you get angry easily IRA Vader recommends eating cooling foods and spices. I actually had a consultation with Jodie. And I was telling her that. I am always cold here in the office. And she asked if I drank cold water, and I said, yeah, I always drink cold water from the little cooler, and she suggested I start drinking room temp water or warm water, and I've literally never been cold in the office. Again, I am fouling down to IRA Veda now. So there is a lot to Vega. I recommend going back to that. Nikki bloom episode from last February if you really want to learn more, but today, we're talking about your veta- with Jodie because in my research, I learned that the practice recommend eating dessert. I. I so are there many schools of thought with eating dessert I and so on a really practical level in our veta- are six tastes. They're sweet sour salty, bitter astringent pungent in sweet is the very first taste. We feel it on the tips of our tongues in. So we know digestion starts the moment. We take our first bite and so sweet can really help prepare the body for the digestive process. And sometimes we hear O our Vida. You can eat dessert. I and that can be true bit sweet, also, isn't grains, milk, sweet vegetables, carrots, and sweet potatoes cucumber, so people often think of sugar and sweets in desert as the sweet tastes. But it encompasses a whole range of foods, including fruit. She explains that an India, you often get a desert like rice pudding or a milk and nut base suite with your meal. So you can eat it. I swear. We can cause hunger. Which is another reason why you might eat dessert. I because it starts the digestive process. And so then you have your sweet, and then you can move on to the savory foods. The other reason to eat sweet. I is our says if you're inclined to eating sweet if you're somebody who loves sweets, then you're going to desert anyway, so eat it first. So that you don't end up over eating. So if you eat the sweep first, and then you enjoy the rest of your meal, presumably you'll stop once you're full. But if we just eat the meal and dessert last we might tend to overeat, plus the sweet taste is heavy and too much. We can really slow the digestive process down. So let's we've had a home meal, and then we pile on top of it desert. This can also cause in digestion gasp alluding fermentation Jodi says when she's really hungry desert. Just doesn't sound good to her. So she'll start her meal with a less sugary. Sweet like roasted beets carrots. But my next guest is all about having a little chocolate or even whole cupcake before a meal. Brandy Malloy co host the new food network show. Let's eat she's a food and lifestyle contributor on the today show, and she's a judge on many food network shows like the very hard to say guys, grocery games and chop junior. I did it and brandy is pretty much. A lifelong proponent of eating dessert. I my dad's served in the army forty years, and one of the places that we were stationed was Germany and in Europe. It's very common to start a meal with a little bit of coffee and pastry or some chocolate, and that's kind of like, you know, your teeth before you have your actual meal when you eat dessert after then it just becomes the cycle of cravings because you have dessert, and then you want something salty. And then you want something sweet again is that something that you've experienced. I totally said this two nights ago at dinner. Yes. I think that is absolutely right. A lot of times you have deserted the end, and then it's almost like a restart in. You're like who I want something salty. But then he after you something salty want something sour, and then you're kind of going through all the different flavors. And then you're having a second dinner. I totally think it's it's the bad way to go about things. And listen, I'm not talking about eating a sleeve of orios or going to town on Sunday, which is a little something that you actually enjoy an what I love is. I did a article about this several years ago when I talked to some doctors in clinical nutritionist, and I was really happy to discover that one of them said that when you do eat dessert with a higher fat content or protein content like ice cream or an avocado based chocolate pudding. It actually helps lower the glycemic load of the meal. It's not just all sugar. So it's not like your blood sugar is gonna spike, and you're gonna have a sugar crash. It's something that's gonna help make you feel more satisfied. And therefore, you're probably not gonna eat as much for dinner with. It's all going to even out but aside from the health benefits and the digestive benefits. Jodi, says desserts are connected with the heart. But I'm not talking about the one that's beating in your chest. I'm talking about the one that inspires you to hang pictures of Jordan Catalano, aka Jared Leto all over your room that you ripped from the pages of teen magazines. I love you, Jordan. The only thing too. That are Viet is says is sweet equals love. So we have to really watch when we are craving. Sweet. We are craving love. And so if we're excessively craving sweet, it might tell us something about what our heart needs are what we need physically. And so the sweet taste can also Volk joy and compassion and love, and, you know, maybe this is why we share, you know, suites with each other and fake, desserts and things for each other the shore love and affection and utter ration-. That's true. I never thought about that. You never give someone like love crackers. Love broccoli. No. I wonder why. 'cause there's plenty of food. That is like crazy delicious pizza like I'd love or someone to give me a love pizza. But it's never it's like Brown think about Valentine's Day, and you just go to Bartels in the whole. I'll is just candy and chocolate. That's right. Exactly. Yeah. Because love equals sweets. We equals love. So my one year anniversary with my boyfriend is coming up and our first date was on February thirteenth, and we shared a fried chicken sandwich on our first date. So I feel more attached to that in my heart than I do for chocolate. But I always joke with him. I wish that are anniversary was February fifteenth because that's when all the candies on sale like on the thirteenth that is the highest price. You're gonna pay for chocolate so really poor choice for a date. Okay. Time for a break. But when we return Dorie Greenspan talks about the lunch that she ate every day for years and years, but there is a man named Donald Gorski, a real creature of habit. He has pretty much only eat McDonald's Big Mac since nineteen seventy-two they've made up ninety five percent of his diet since then he's amazing, and you're gonna wanna hear this. We'll be right back. I mean, we'll be right back. It is cocktail hour here on your last meal with our sponsor heritage distilling company. Now, if you're a fan of whiskey bourbon or rye instead of just buying a bottle make your own they're selling company has he's really cool experiences. So if you join their Cass club, you get to design your own custom age, whiskey bourbon or rye. So you tell the distillers exactly what you want you get to design your own recipe. Add some coffee flavor, add some dried peaches, make it a single mom a double mall, you get a custom label, and then you get to decide how long you wanted to age. 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And then for lunch. I would have it at room temperature with little olive oil over at salt pepper nuts, and raisins, and then whatever was left over. I would you know put away we he'd or fry. I just hit this thing for race years. It lasted years. Are you a creature of habit in general just with the rice guess things that I do all the time? But in Fant I am somebody who just follows her wims on one of the things I do. The kitchen all the time is not do what I say I'm gonna do. So I can plan a menu, and my husband will come into the kitchen and say, oh, I thought you were making chicken, I think I had another idea or, you know, I'm the kind who goes to the market with a list and comes home with nothing from the. So I'm not really a creature of habit. But lunch. Yeah. Yeah. With launch makes it easier. I mean, you're probably coming up with recipes all the time. And so it's like one less thing. You have to think about is your lunch. I also liked it. Was just good. I am fascinated with people who can eat the same thing every day because I am. So not like that. I've tried to be one of those meal planning people that you read about in women's magazines where you're supposed to make a big pot of something on Sunday night and eat it throughout the week and by Wednesday. I hate this dish, I can't eat it anymore. I literally don't eat it ever again. Sometimes because I'm so sick of it. But Donald Gorski takes the cake in the creature of habit department, even though he never eats cake because the only it's big Macs. Let's start at the beginning. When did you have your first Big Mac? I Big Mac on me seventeenth nineteen seventy two. And it was the day. I got my first car. And when I got my first car I wanted to go with McDonald's. And then I went to McDonald's, and I bought three big Macs. And I my three big Macs. The cartons in the backseat. I ended up coming coming back. A couple more times that day for three times eight nine big Macs on may seventeenth nineteen seventy two. And then I started in big Macs. Every. Ever since in. What prompted that? Why did you start eating them everyday? And why were you eating so many like so many I probably 'cause compared to like eating chocolate for the first time or something you can't get enough of it at first. And then after a while you just can't eat as much chocolate as you want anymore. I quite a few big Macs for about a month. And then I started coming down into a phase where it was like three a day or down to a day. But it wasn't never doing nine. Again. What gummy started on? It is just that Big Mac or my favorite food, and there's nothing better in the world. And so I just wanted to leave my favorite food every day. So what's your first ever big neck on may seventeenth or had you had them before? No. That was my first one ever was may seventeenth nineteen seventy two in. So were you still living with your family when when you got your car in nineteen seventy-two? Yes, I was my mom later on made me promise each one a day for a while. They're in a little bit worried. Just eat those all the time. So there's. A fan of about maybe think about six and a half years right state wanna day because she told me to try other foods and stuff like that. Then when nineteen Eighty-one think April first, she said that if they didn't kill me by now, I could go ahead and start eating two a day again if I wanted to so it's been pretty much to a day ever since. And so I understand now you don't always go out for a freshman every time you keep them in the freezer. Is that true? That's right. I only go to McDonald's twice a week. And I'm like waiting in line for food and stuff. So like today was Monday. So I bought six big Macs. So that's good for Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday, always by eight. And then that's my Big Mac for Thursday, Friday Saturday and Sunday, I've acquired a taste for microwave Big Mac. So I like eating them like that. And other people might go. Yuck. But it's just an acquired taste I've had ever since seventy two since nineteen seventy-two Don has eaten more than thirty thousand big Macs. He keeps tracking his purchases and a little note. Book he saves all the receipts and all the boxes that the burgers. Come in. Another one called Baltin of mine that I can't help. I'd have to say in the house right now, there's got to be well over twenty thousand Big Mac cartons. I also have saved every receipt that it gave me, but a lot of people don't realize that receipt. Started at my McDonald's on October twentieth. Nineteen ninety four so there's quite a few years at McDonald's intervened had receipts, though, the only way I could prove my and stuff like that was to save cartons, Don has a wife and kids, but they aren't sleeves to the golden arches like he is he proposed to his wife and McDonald's parking lot. And he used to take his two sons on his Big Mac missions when they were kids. But it's kind of like the idea that if you don't want your kids to smoke, you'd make them smoke a whole pack of cigarettes. So they never want one. Again, he didn't do this intentionally but by taking his kids to McDonalds so much he says, they just lost interest. They are not McDonald's people and on a daily basis don's wife Mary eats her own meals and Don. On each his big Macs even on Christmas. But there have been a couple of handful of days when you couldn't have a Big Mac, right? If that I missed out of forty six plus years. The first time was like nineteen eighty-two snowstorm in. I worked my way over to the McDonalds, but they never opened. And so that got me into the habit of keeping them in a extra ones. Refrigerator extra ones in the freezer, or whatever the second one I missed it was a day. My mom died. It was a just a dump promise. I made my mom that I wanna eat one on a day. She died that way. I'd never forget the date, and then I missed three because of traveling it's hard to believe he can travel around the United States and not get a McDonald's for six hundred miles. But that happened to me about three times. And then a couple times missed because the work because I worked as a prison guard, it's kind of the military. So if they tell you you have to stay then you have to stay in. So them are days. I couldn't control so them don't bother me as much and then the last one was. November twenty third two thousand. That's the last day. I missed was more than eighteen years ago that was Thanksgiving Day. And of course, they're very knows. Mcdonald's is closed on thanksgiving. I thought there was more big Macs and a freezer, but I was wrong. There were none. And so my family's very patient with me that day because I got really, hyper and stuff like I usually do and even though L McDonald's or close they let me drive to them all and just check the door at all see if they're close. So if something about me only for that day, and then after that day's over them, you know, everything's back to normal. But for a day, if I'm if I'm gonna miss I get really, hyper and stuff like that. Does the same thing happen? If any of your other routines change, you said, you're very ritualised and other parts of your life as well. Not so much. I'm pretty good at not letting you know other things bother me so much who is kind of important to me. Do you? Remember what you ate on the day that your mom passed away. When you didn't have the burger. I'm trying to think it's I'm sure it was something that the wife made for herself. And I shared in it because I know I didn't eat very much at all. When that happened just wasn't very hungry. I mean, like for me, I can black out eating if I have to you know, and that's something like that would probably make me black all eating John says he has other rituals in his life other habits. And there is one other thing that he does every single day that is particularly endearing, but my mornings now, I write a letter to they're like eight eight widows and widowers I used to work with them. I write them a letter every day. So I do in the morning if I get all going to sell that I write a letter to all of them. And then I go out on errands. I built Mila letters. They love the letter because I I gotta work sense of humor from working in a prison so many years, so they got a kick outta my letters. And that I appreciate that. And so if they like them, I'll keep them coming, you know, that's really sweet I like to write cards and letters to. But I find that people. Don't write me back because most people don't write anymore. Does anybody? Right. You back very seldom, you know. But it's it's funny. If they miss a day of a letter, whatever they'll they'll call you aren't going to stop Remy letters. Are you? So. They want to keep coming. That's funny. Okay. So at this point, I'm sure you're wondering what's up with don's health is he just a walking Big Mac are his veins filled with American cheese and special sauce. His doctors say that he is fine. His cholesterol is great. He maintains a healthy weight. And I think the idea is that he eats junky food, but he doesn't eat that much of it. So his calories are under. I don't know what this is doing to was heart or his mind, but he's fine. Stop worrying about Donald everyone. He's fine. Now before we wrap up. Let's check in with Dory. Like, I mentioned she has a new cookbook out called everyday Dory. The way I cook. What is one recipe before? I let you go one recipe that you'd say you have to make this from your new book. Oh, you ask, you know, US a million questions. And now you ask the hardest one. I'm a hard hitting journalist story deal with it. So when like so many of them, okay? I was going to tell you to make the oven chored tomato stuff peppers. But instead go to the desert chapter. I'm there sin the back your there. Look at the triple layer parsnips cranberry cake. Yeah. That sounds so interesting. It's such a good cake Pige to sixty six so that's what I think you have to make because it's easy to make. It's very simple cake thing CARA cake, but parsnips, oh, it's got the sweetness of carrot cake. But parsnips have they have carrots sweetness, but they have a slightly mentally vigil tastes that is so delicious with sugar and with cream cheese frosting. And then there's a make it in ten minutes cranberry jam that goes between it so parsnips cranberries cream cheese. I love that in parsnips. That's my mom's secret ingredient to her mom. Soup that I always put in that. I think sets it apart. That's the only thing I've ever made with parsnips. Well, now, you're gonna bake with them. Okay. So bossy, I am just. I want you to make that triple layer will we're going to come and burn my kitchen down. No, I'm I'm over that. Already. Those are your wild teenage years, and that was story Greenspan's last meal, you all thirteen of her books everywhere. But I always recommend that you shop at a local bookseller trying to keep them in business in here in Seattle. We have this fantastic all cookbook store, it's called the pantry and there are others around the world. So if you're in San Francisco, I recommend going to omnivore books there is appetite for books in Montreal Canada. And I have heard from listeners who live in Australia. So I wanted to do a little Sydney shout out. There is a cookbook bookstore there called cookery book cookery cookbook bookstore. 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Like, what is that other five percent that you're eating? Let's see like. Okay. Like yesterday. I had some potato chip, you know, because I was watching the football games. I don't crave hurts. Too much. I just don't have a sweet tooth. Really? Oh, there's another thing. I do eat almost every day. And the par phase that McDonald's make though ever since they came out the white maybe promised eat apar- fee every days. So that's kinda like closest thing. I have to Virk usually every day our faith is that screamer yogurt yogurt. And then there's a strawberries and blueberries in it and the white things at least something healthy everyday. Food wise. This episode was produced by Aaron Mason in me, the music prompt, Wayne, if you like the show leave a review you can just five stars. If you're in a hurry or you could leave a heartfelt response on apple podcasts or Stitcher. That's it. I'm Rachel bell. And this is your last meal.

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The Scorn of Candy Corn

FoodStuff

34:28 min | 2 years ago

The Scorn of Candy Corn

"Today's episode is brought to you by splendid table this thanksgiving. Make sure that the splendid table podcast and radio show is your kitchen companion throughout November Francis lamb and the splendid table team will be covering all the bases from life-changing gravy techniques to drinking more and better. Champagne, we always approve of that to a soul food thanksgiving celebration with chef Carla hall and on Thanksgiving Day. Don't miss their annual Turkey, confidential. It's alive Colin show for a full two hours Francis. And it's liberty guests Dorie Greenspan summing Nosrat and Patty hitch will answer whatever questions you may have on the busiest cooking day of the year. You can listen and call in from splendid table dot org or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hello and welcome to savor. I'm and I'm Laurin Boko bomb. And today we're talking about candy corn. We are. We really missed an opportunity to scary like pun name. Oh, well, yes, we're talking about. Which I guess if you're listening to this day, it comes out, perhaps you're near post Halloween Hayes. Maybe you still have some little packets of candy corn sitting around. Yes. And maybe you're really excited about that. Or maybe you are very not excited about that. Because people tend to fall into one of those two camps. Yes. The polarizing candy. It is extremely polarizing I would say one of the most divisive of the candies. I I think the circus. Peanut is the worst. Oh, heck, okay. All right. That's a whole other episodes tastes, like styrofoam banana flavored styrofoam. Does it happen? NF waiver. Yeah. Usually well time called candy corn the most polarizing candy of them all net basis. Brand passion index found them to be the most traditional candy of Halloween. These two loved by consumers one that generated quote, the most negative feelings in the words of Lewis. Black candy corn is the only candy in the history of America. That's never been advertised. And there's a reason all of the candy corn that was ever made was made in nineteen eleven. Or you have this from Chow hound quote. I think only serial killers eat candy corn. And why a person would choose candy corn over literally any other Gandhi that's on sale. At Walgreens is beyond me. Okay. Or how about this headline from atlas obscure, quote, a cloying kernel of evil the history of candy corn or this nickname statements earwax or this claim the leftover crumbs guy fear. He's go t would taste better than candy corn. Oh snap. Yeah. That's an image. That took me to a place. Does it really paints a picture? Apparently. There was a cartoon character named moose a moose on a past Nick junior show, moose Z that was known for among other things his Halloween song called. I don't like candy corn. But me, personally, I'm actually kind of ambivalent about it. Yeah. Okay. That's very measured of you. It's fun. When I was a kid. It was definitely low to your candy. But you know, candy it, right? It's still made of sugar. How about you? I like candy corn. I sort of like the texture in just the sort of like nice mellow flavor to it. And I mean, but I only ever want to eat like six pieces of it a year and indefinitely does not come in bags of six pieces. Right. And so I don't know like once every couple of years, I like let myself by some and then I have about six pieces, but I'm like, okay. Done here, and then just slowly goes stale. That sounds like a fad short story. That's metaphor for something else. You know? I'm not sure what I'm gonna ponder on that later. What's your least favorite candy? Oh, goodness. I guess smarties. Like, I don't really understand why they exist. Yeah. I did rebuilt a lot of people who like candy corn likes smarties. Really? Yeah. I think it's the texture is similar. It's not similar at all. I'll some people think it is. It's definitely. Very share about this. If candy corn I'm talking about like, the powdery the Chaki smarties, not the like chewy candies smarter candies are just fine with the chalky ones. You're like why did you press sugar into this format? Like, why would you do this? Explain to me. Yeah. I demand answers. Well, you know, where to reach us. So if you need to get the most angry mail said we've ever done Lauren likes candy corn side note the day before Halloween October thirtieth is candy corn day. National candy coin day here in the United States. That's right. But this brings us to our question candy corn. What is it? Well, candy corn is what's called a Mallow cream mellow Creamer. Malik cream candy. It's made from different kinds of sugar and his flavored with a little bit of vanilla to taste sorta like marshmallows, but the texture is smooth and creamy like a less chewy caramel or or like room temperature chewy ice cream, a like, solid frosting like smoother marzipan. I feel like you're trying to fit an idea. My face is like. It is increase frantic. And he's not buying this plan. They usually have a shiny glaze. And they are super sweet like I would say that the main flavor profile is sweet and candy corn in particular is shaped like kernels of corn. And is typically try colored white orange and yellow one of the sugars used to make it is corn syrup. So yes, there is some Cornyn candy corn, technically. We should call is in defensive candy corn. Man. I can't stop what video game is it. That has the character named Mallow. Oh, goodness. I'm not sure. Well listeners right in because now I'm consumed with this one thought. What K was that? A knee looked like a big marshmallow now that I look back on it. Anyway, you have a whole Google a whole Google just for me. Well, another thing for me to do later. But for now, let's talk about. How candy corn is made. Yeah, it's pretty cool, actually. Okay. The process can go a couple of ways, but basically start by heating up a blend of table sugar and corn syrup, and then whisking in some more sugar and some gelatin and whipping that to create like a sort of stiff fluff like meringue almost fondants is then added to increase the density of the fluff. And then you separate it out into different batches for coloring. It is a molded candy and the molds can be made either by packing cornstarch into frames. And then stamping the Colonel shape into the cornstarch or you can get a plastic mould and coat it with a fine layer of cornstarch. But either way you've got these molds and the the colonel's in the Molder tip down. Yeah. And so then pumps inject the batter into the moulds layer by layer starting with the white tip. And then the orange center and then the yellow top or. The bottom as the I mean, however, you want to look at it. Yeah. That's your worldview. Oh, are you bought up? This got real deep it did. But yes. So once they are in the malls, the candies are left to cure in those molds for a day or two and when they are hardened. They are kind of shaken out of the molds, and then coated with us, shiny wax, and packaged the whole process takes three or four days and funded. I mentioned is one of the ingredients. It's this pliable sculptural sort of Sugardo if you've never heard of it. It's made from powdered sugar corn syrup and water and maybe other stuff like gelatin or melted marshmallows. And if you've ever seen one of those fancy smooth sided cakes on TV or like at a catered event, it's probably decorated with funding. So yeah. One of the ingredients. In candy corn is more other candy. Different. Other candy share? I thought funding for a while was pronounced fund you, and then it was just a, you know, beard, spelling. Yeah. And I thought it was melted. Chocolate like fondue. Oh, yeah. That's not what it is. I know you can make a chocolate funding. But it's one of those things I'm not sure why ever thought that. But my brain was trying to make here you go. That's what that is. No. And all those different types of sugar are used because sucrose aka table sugar really likes to be in crystal form like big chunky crystal form, it's molecules just like stacking up together. Like that to convince it to have a fine smooth texture. Like you want for confections like candy corn? You have to kind of trick sucrose into not chunking up and corn syrup is a good stabiliser f for this. Because it contains available glucose and glucose molecules are a little bit smaller, and they started like bust up in between the sucrose molecules and like interfere with crystallization process. So yeah. And he disapproves of all of this. And I would argue that this texture is the primary part of candy corn that people who like it or dislike it are thinking about because the flavor is really mild. It's just like a little bit of vanilla maybe a tiny bit of like Honey kind of flavor in there. Little bit of like burnt sugar kind of flavor. But I Representative from jelly belly told realist that the flavor is quote, a blend of creamy fund rich marshmallow and warm vanilla notes those form vanilla notes L. Yeah. Wonderful. Jess. Symphony show that is an interesting point though. Because a lot of the complaints. I read about candy corn word texture based and for most of my friends a lot of them. They don't like a food. It is texture related. Yes. Kind of an interesting thing. I don't think I have a food for the textures the main thing that turns me off her onto it. I don't know. I love the texture of some foods lets by like, I guess like bread and pasta and Comey's so much. But yeah, the same batter. For candy corn is used to make other shapes. Sometimes like we do pumpkins and some people love them in two thousand sixteen bona petite ran a article with the headline the best candy is mellow cream pumpkins because this isn't even a contest. Didn't vote if the once it was the worst kid, you know. Oh, phone a Petit. So how does one eat candy corn? There are actually instructions about how to do this area's eightfold. Forty three percent of us. Go top down nibbling at the narrow end. I like how most people not me. Eat a piece of pizza about forty seven percent. Eat them whole and the risk. Oh from the bottom of the triangle up, which is how I eat my pizza. For the record. There's no difference flavor. Wise between the three sections. I mean, I guess you're getting the highest concentration of glaze when you eat the white tip and the the highest concentration of Mallow cream when you eat the wide yellow end. But yeah, they're not different flavors. Yeah. And another searing essay, I wrote on candy corn wrote or read read. Yes, I have. I have not written a searing us and candy corn. One of the writers complaints was as a kid. He expected. Different flavors saw the three colors. Yeah. And he felt lied to. Oh, I see. Yeah. If you wanna be upset about something. I recommend googling candy corn on the cob because there are photographs of this out there. And it's I was upset personally you can create a decorative corncob. Using candy corn kernels stuck into the base of like stiff modeling fund enter like cookie dough something like that. I was mad at it. I don't know why I got so angry. But I was like this is natural. And I disapprove I putting by foot down. That's it humanity. But what about that, but pumpkin keg? I showed you where the it was a pumpkin cooler and the people had just oh, that's great stuck the the next beard. I mean, it's also upsetting a certain point. But like, it's one of my favorite images. I've just randomly stumbled upon for some reason, I was picturing when you mentioned you said candy corn on the cob the colonel's pointing out like pinhead almo oh, that's also a little bit upsetting. But exciting, but it doesn't make sense. I mean, the whole thing doesn't make sense. But you know, it also doesn't make sense is that apparently people deep fried candy corn yet, no humanity. You can go right to your room. We're done here. If we're talking about nutrition. I mean, they're mostly sugar herpes. They're only about seven calories. I mean there candy. Yeah. They're fat free, but sugar isn't a health food. Nope. Nope. That's probably not news to you. If we look at numbers as of twenty thirteen nine billion pieces of candy corn are produced a year. That's thirty five million pounds jelly belly. Which is one of the premier national makers of candy corn says that they make most of it during July and preparation for the Halloween season. And according to Brock's, they make which is one of the other leading manufacturers they make over two million pieces per day when their line is like really up and running. Wow, you can get other varieties rather than the classic the Halloween fall colors. You can get red white and green for Christmas. That's reindeer corn pink red and white for Valentine's Day cupid corn and for a while candy corn was a popular addition to the garden of Easter baskets. Bunny corn? Yeah. There's also freedom corn for the fourth of July freedom corden corn. Oh my goodness. But most everyone if they're eating candy corn. They're eating the Halloween slash fall variety. One study from the national confectioners association survey found that candy corn was the preferred Halloween candy of only twelve percent of respondents, which seemed to me, honestly. But it was number two after chocolate. Yeah. Which was like seventy percent. So it's not really a contest. But I mean, yeah, I don't know by sales data from two thousand seven to two thousand seventeen candy corn was the favourite Halloween candy in seven states, Alabama, Idaho, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico and Rhode Island. I don't want to keep hammering this point home. But I read so many essays about why people hate candy corn like passionate essays. And I think it was somebody from Michigan wrote, essentially, I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. Did when they heard. Candy cardinals their favorite candy. Oh, favorite Halloween. Candy specific. Yes. Yes. Still. But yes worth noting. Not only this you can get candy corn flavored bagels. So that fall into your realm of acceptable bagels. No, no, I cussed really loud in my head. When I read that actually, I suspected you might. Yeah. You can get candy corn flavored Oreos, candy corn, coffee, panic Cada and all of the Drake's candy corn. Cocktail Cain corn. Beer candy corn jello shots. Starburst? Flavored candy corn pumpkin spice flavored candy corn. Apparently opened candy corn can last sixteen months. If you start properly an airtight container or in the fridge. There you go. Make your candy corn last almost all year. Well, that's our overview of this most divisive of candies. But how did candy corn get here? We'll look into that. After a quick break for word from her sponsor. Today's episode is brought to you by Hello fresh, which is a meal kit delivery service that shops plans and delivers step by step recipes and premeasured ingredients. So that you can just cook eat and enjoy there's something for everyone with hellofresh selection. There are three plans to choose from classic veggie and family, and the thing I love about it is that it convenient. I don't have to go to the grocery store. I don't have to plan out a meal, it shows up and everything is there and pre-measured and ready for me to start working. And it's fun. 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Unlike most candies candy corn pretty specifically American, according to the trade association. Candy corn was invented in the way, back the way back in this case being the eighteen eighty courtesy of an employee of the Wunderle candy company named George richer out of Philadelphia. This is sort of the trend at the time so called Buttercream candies molded into different shapes. But what really made candy corn stand out from the pack was those three colors are a real pain in the butt to make at the time. The end product though was eye catching and new they sold the recipe to another candy maker one by the name of Google. That's candy company. You may know it by another name, let jelly belly candy company. They came out with their own tri-colored candy corn in eighteen ninety eight. The glitz family had been in the candy business for a few decades. But candy corn and other mellow cream can. Indies then called butter creams were there runaway success at the time. This candy was made manually in decent sized kettle. Candy makers would mix a semi liquid sugar court surp- funded marshmallow and water the resulting slurry was poured into buckets called stringers. And then these dues called runners would walk in rivers pouring, the mixture into Colonel shaped molds each layer was Horton by hand from these stringer buckets on an individual run down the line of malls. So, you know, one free color and the buckets were called stringers because they didn't have like a single spout. They had this whole row of spouts or sort of like funnel heads kind of. And so by reaching the stringer out over a row of molds and tipping it. Just so you could fill the whole row in a single poor cool and the molds were made of cornstarch as they are today. Sometimes this was an innovation in candy making from around that time, and yeah instead of using a metal or wooden mold which you might need to Greece somehow to prevent the candy from sticky. You could press shapes into firm packed cornstarch. And you know, your candy batters sticks to that a little bit too. But that's actually a good thing. Because it imparts like a fine layer of cornstarch on the candy that helps it set. Another thing about the time that's important to this is that about half, the American workforce were farmers that meant that a lot of companies targeted them and their families directly with these farm, adjacent shapes. Yeah. Other shapes for mala creams included. Yes. Pumpkins, but also turnips chestnuts and clovers, although it was only made for a few months out of the year due to the labor intensive creation process. It was marketed as a year round treat, the Gould's is would eventually develop a machine that made hand pouring the candies. Obsolete supposedly after one of the owners woke up in the middle of the night was shooting back pain from having poured candy out of these stringer buckets all day fix. I've got to put an end to this. Yes. No mall in the nineteen twenties. Folks, gave candy corn the. Possibly affectionate named chicken feed. The manufacturers sold it in a box with the chicken on the front. The motto of the Gullit's candy companies version was quote king of the candy corn field something worth crowing for and I will say it was sort of a a gimmicky candy for children at like county fairs. Yeah. Hey kids, it's like chicken chicken feed malls. Yeah. Yeah. Prior to World War. One corn was a food Americans generally a skewed. It was seen as a poor person's food, and the teast wasn't really that great animal feed not human food, but thanks to wartime shortages of wheat Americans came around to corn candy corn, though that caught on pretty quick also that the sweeter hybrids of corn that we eat fresh today hadn't been developed yet. But yeah at the time even like grits and corn flour and stuff like that. We're looked down upon by some segments of the population. We wouldn't get more dependable hybrids of speak corn. You know, like the fresh stuff that we eat like. Vegetable until like, the nineteen thirty s and onward from there. And this just about brings us to Halloween, but I it brings us to one last quick break for word from our sponsor. Killer murders, gripped the small town of hollow falls a decade ago by the end of the killing spree six people, including my amp Beth were dead. The police discovered a handwritten note next to her body and decided it was her confession. But my aunt was no killer. The mission of this podcast is simple to uncover the truth to clear, my aunt's name to put the real killer behind bars or die trying. I'm Tig Taurus. And this is lethal. Lethal lit a Tig Torres mystery a six part scripted podcast series coming to your favorite podcast app. Mondays starting October twenty ninth. Subscribe now to never miss an episode. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you. So when did candy corn become associated with Halloween? You ask we hope you ask because we're going to answer and the answer is sometime in the nineteen fifties. Interestingly though, and add that came out in the very same decade. Declared candy corn eight year. Long candy a nineteen fifty one grocery store at read quote. The candy all children loved nimble on all year long. And there's a nineteen fifty seven Brock's ad that includes candy corn in his spread of summertime. Candies. Summertime. Gandhi's up until this point candy corn was sold as a penny candy candy targeted towards children that were sold in bulk also up until this point lots of candy makers were in on the game. A lot of people were making types of candy corn. But nowadays, we have jelly belly and Brock's. And that's about it on a nationwide scale. That's just about it. Ads for candy corn in the fifties. Other than that, though, largely went all in on them being a Halloween, candy way more. So than other candies to the point that people started to think it was weird to eat it outside of Halloween times, they succeeded in associating it with Halloween, but then it became all just Halloween. Exactly, basically. Yeah. And this was also the aero when Halloween became associated with candy in general prior to this trick or treating might have not used some homemade baked goods or homemade candies but post World War Two and post the sugar rations that came with World War. Two candy companies started marketing, they're packaged candies is this like cool inconvenient handout for trick. Or treaters and simultaneously trick. Or treating was really cemented itself. As like a family tradition in America yet. A nother candy corn related thing that happened in the fifties candy related illness after one particular Halloween a lot of trick or treaters experienced gastrointestinal. Stress or even rashes and welts the cause was orange die in a member one and only enlarge amounts was it causing these issues. It makes me wonder just how much these large amounts. We're talking. It wasn't. Just candy corn that used orange-dyed number one all kinds of things did from hot dogs to candy pumpkins, though, it had been approved all the way back in nineteen zero six it was actually poisonous. Yeah. Yeah. It was made a coal tar. Well, it was derived from coal tar, which isn't aspartame again, like we are all made of chemicals things can be derived from a number of petroleum products. And if you have a problem with the use of petroleum products in general than that's a bad thing, maybe environmentally or or something like that. But the chemical itself, you know, isn't maintaining some kind of property of coal or Trillium its chemical. We are all made of chemicals every time you say that it makes me think of the Moby song you're all made of stars. I like my version better. So yeah, it was a really big thing through the fifties and the sixties, and then we started to get the more modern eras of candy making with all the, you know, sour flavors in different weird chocolate treats, and all that kind of stuff and the dominance of it through that specific era has led some candy experts to speculate that it's an established thing for the baby boomer generation who grew up with it being this specific Halloween treat, and that it just confuses the heck out of gen Xers and millennials who, you know, had more options when we were kids that makes sense. Yeah. Nostalgia is a powerful thing. It reminds me of this experience. I had when I was taking a lift couple months ago. It was really late. And I lift driver was an older African American woman. I was clearly like out of it. She says would you like some candy? And I said, oh, and she's like take some candy. And I was like, okay. So no, no, no, no, no, take some candy. I take it. And it's a candy. I've never seen before. Lord. I I don't know. What it is. I can't tell you what it was. But it looks like a lifesaver believe it was called apple. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. I put it in my mouth, and it becomes clear that this is a candy. That's never going to go away. Oh, and she sort of Snickers, and she says back in my day candy was going to last you for months. Okay. Andy these days, that's not the real thing. That's not. How candy supposed to be? Then she wouldn't all these stories about how she would take this candy and put it in like a Kleenex Ellen like stay home back for later. And she teach her grandkids a lesson because they would come and try to steal her candy, and she'd be like well jokes on you kid because that was. It was quite the memorable lift that's great though. It was it was I thought I appreciated the whole thing as we record this Halloween has not happened yet. And as I mentioned in another episode, I have five candies. I have to get for free. And I have all but one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And our office manager saw me like dive for an almond joy the other day, they're very rare. So I gotta find a butterfinger. All right. Cross your fingers formula news. I think your finger thoughts. To be free. I can't buy it. This is the rule. I don't know. What will happen? I think the university. It'll be like the end of cabinet in the woods. Oh, yeah. Get. In everybody's best interest at this happens. Yeah. All keep an eye out. I will. But I think if you buy it won't count either it has to just appear somehow. Okay. You have to forge it in the wild. Exactly exactly growing nixes some Sean drills. Well, that's my next couple of days just searching for a butterfinger. If you see me wandering around. Well, good luck. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And meanwhile, that concludes our candy corn episode and brings us to Liz. Our first letter is from Kevin Kevin wrote when I was in college I worked at fast food restaurant having been raised by frugal. Parents. We are brought up not to waste food or anything really so working at Hardee's making sandwiches for the potential customer throwing them out if they weren't purchased within fifteen to twenty minutes was quite a pickle to be in. I remember asking the manager about all this waste and being told that company policy and Furthermore, the health department didn't allow it to be given to the hungry. I recall a particular breakfast shift working with a co worker who put the biscuit making into high gear and sued the oven stuffed with pans of soon to be biscuits. However when the breakfast menu was closed at ten thirty. We still add biscuits baking being the clever college student I seized upon this opportunity, I did mostly as company policies policy required. But I I needed a fresh trash bag from the stockroom. I counted the trays of biscuits as I dumped them very unceremoniously into the bag. I reported the count to the manager who surely rolled her eyes that the excessive loss, and then proceeded to take out the trash which was one of my normal duties, However, I did not head to the dumpster. I walked straight to my car folding bag of biscuits and put it in my trunk some were bit smashed and miss shaped from rough treatment, but they were so much better than Pillsbury biscuits. From Ken mom, put the bulk of them in reuse schwann's ice cream buckets and stored them in the deep freeze. Sadly, the ice cream is not consumed by us as shrines brand was a bit pricey for our family. I've never heard of schwann's browned. However, we did have delicious biscuits for months, which were even better eating in our kitchen with mom's. Homemade probably strawberry preserves. Oh. Yeah. Save those biscuits, save them. So it's so funny to me, I just always assumed that food fast food restaurants just sat there forever. So this is really only a couple of hours. Well, I I'm happy that these biscuits found a home right in your stomach, absolutely. Especially. Yeah. Especially something that freezes that. Well, and like, you know, doesn't involve meter veg that we'd go off. Yeah. Sharing that would torment me too. Absolutely Laura wrote one of my friends posted a pick of something she found at the WalMart made me think of one of our previous episodes and of some funny, childhood memories of weird foods, and she attached a photograph and the photograph is of a squeeze bottle of green stuff, and it's labeled. Great value. Nickelodeon slime sauce. Yes. It's that vibrant on green color of slime. And Furthermore, the label says that you can add some fun to your plate all caps on the phone all caps on the fun. And it specifies that it has made with great value, ketchup and. Yeah, so. Yeah. That exists. Yeah. Nickelodeon. Good job. You know when I was a kid. I think that that would have been branded as ectoplasms like. Yes busters. Slimy ectoplasms or something. But I I appreciate that. Other brands are carrying on the proud tradition of unnecessarily coloring things green and marketing them as goop to children. I think that's beautiful. I think I saw Burger King us at Halloween. Burger right now in the bun is purple catch up. Yeah. All right. I'm in the market for Halloween recipes right now. So maybe I bet I'll never find this anywhere. But it's an idea. It's an idea. Absolutely. Yeah. Though, I suppose catch-up is. Already. Already. How? But it's not as novel. Anyway, thanks to both of them for writing in. If you would like to write to us if you want to tell us your opinions on candy corn, we would love to hear them. Our Email is Hello at saver, pot dot com or also on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram at saver pod. We do hope to hear from you. Thanks as always wore super producer Dylan Fagin who says that candy corn is his fourth. Most hated food. Thanks to you for listening. 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Ep 64:  An Entrepreneur's Life with Miranda Bennett (Live at SXSW)

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Ep 64: An Entrepreneur's Life with Miranda Bennett (Live at SXSW)

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Do remember that is that she thought that's what I really liked which is true. She's not wrong. No. I love a bag of halls halls feel free to sponsor this podcast. Yeah. I am. I am sick. I have a Rica's myself. Oh, no. No. Thank you. Interesting. All right. Do they actually stop your coffee? You just like the flavor. I think they help. Okay. Yeah. Now a little bit. I find myself getting like addicted to the halls. I just chop on them all day long and gum. So I'm in that phase of this cold right now, it's fine. I just have a cold. But it still lingering. My youngest daughter has a cold. And then my oldest daughter had the legit flu. Yeah. Like the scary. Flu hundred four point three. Lever flew out of school for five days. Flue? She was so sick. Yeah. It was really scary. Actually, because I didn't I we've never experienced that. Where you know, we get the flu vaccine, we get colds, and norovirus and all that stuff. But we haven't really had about of the flew flew. And she was whole loosening at one point which doctor on call who I immediately called was like, oh, that's just the flu. It's the fever. So that was a journey. I was up a lot for like three or four days at night with her. So it didn't help my cold. But you know, what I have just mentioned last week leaned into being sick. Yes. So what does that look like, well what it looked like was me going to my local like, Rite Aid and whole foods and just buying a lot of things. Now, and then just taking them. All okay. Vitamin C wellness drops. I've been hydrating a ton. What about Umka, you know, what the uncut let me down this time because I felt sick. I started pounding it. I always have some at my house and did not do anything to keep this cold away. Dear. But part of me was also thinking, you know, I don't do a lot to like care for my immune system. When I kind of posed the question of people like what do I do to help with my cold? So many people are like, I take elderberry, blah, blah, blah, and I'm always taking vitamin C and echinacea and oregano oil like it seems like some people have worked immune care into their daily practice in life. I don't even think about it until I'm sick. Yeah. I mean, I also wonder like how much that stuff actually does anything or is it all a placebo? Yeah. Who knows I will say hydrating has been the most helpful thing. Yes. Hydrating? So important, and I joined sleeps hydrating and sleep truly is what makes me feel better. Yeah. And like a warm chicken broth, that's kind of also my other thing that I like so I made a lot of bone broth. But yeah, you know, I've just been kind of trying to take care of myself, wiping down all the surfaces of my home. So the germs my oldest daughter who had the flu then also threw up a couple times. So you know, it's been a lot of just germs circulating. Yeah. And trying to avoid them and stay healthy while traveling and all that jazz. So don't get close to me. I mean, I've been at your house a bunch the sickness started and you're doing okay. And I'm doing okay knock on wood knock on it. I was also I stayed at my sister's when we were at south by south west and her daughter had the flu, man. It's like you can't escape. Yeah. And she's only three and she never gets sick that she was so sad. So sad and sick doesn't feel good to be doesn't. But I was like. Wow. Like if if I was meant to get sick. I'm going to get sick. They're trying to not a ton. I can do. But so far. I'm okay. Which you know, I did get the flu vaccine. Maybe that's helping. I do think it's interesting that like in both houses only one person got sick. Yeah. I know. So I like that makes me think the vaccine maybe does actually work. And I mean, I believe in it. So yeah. But I haven't gotten a cold so far, which I'm hopeful as impressive doesn't happen. I will keep covering my mouth. Although I apologize. If I am coughing throughout this episode. I'm trying hard to keep it in. So so tough tell me about spending time with your family. How does it in Austin? Yeah. Oh, it was great. I mean, it was it was sad that my niece was sick. But she she was like actually pretty good spirits most of the time other than being a little sad. And then my other niece, who's eight months old is just like such a great baby. She's like the baby of babies she is kind of like the baby to end all babies. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you met her did great baby. She's a great baby. Yeah. So that was fun. Love a good baby. I love a good baby. Also, I was I was sitting with my three year old niece at her art table, and we're drawing, and she drew, and then she goes v and she'd drone she dropped a letter v. And then she drew another letter. She was w and I thought, oh, I guess she knows how I guess she knows her letters like, I guess she knows how to how to write letters and then a couple of days later. I texted my sister. I was like, oh, you know. Mattie was like drawing letters when we were together. She was like, oh, she's never done that before. Oh, I was like oh you got to witness. The I I think it was year aunt influence. Well, my sister has a theory that whenever I come visit them they like they want to show off for me. So they like reached some milestone that they hadn't reached before. That's right. So, you know, maybe this time it was letters. So that was fun you bringing out the just you know, what I'm here for. That's true. Yeah. And you know, I was a little nervous about flying whilst pregnant, and you are now grounded for the rest of your pregnant. I am grounded. Yes. I mean, I'm not thirties. Well, I guess if I had to take an emergency flight in the next two weeks. I could okay because you're not supposed to fly after thirty six weeks. Although there's not like. There's not like a reason it would be harmful. It's just you don't want to go into labor in the air. That's the that's the real reason. Which is legit. I have a friend who was do three weeks before me. And she went into labour two and a half weeks early. So I was like, oh, yeah. That can happen. Feeling a little bit. Like, the end is nigh gotta start packing, or you gonna pack a hospital bag. Yeah. So I was actually discussing my hospital bag with my sister. I ordered some button-up pajamas loose button pajama that zones cozy. Yes, slippers GAC and get some slippers. I don't want to over pack, but I wanna be comfortable. I'm going to bring my own pillow remained toilet paper. Oh, no. That is a smart thing. I never thought to pack, but a softer toilet paper brings some whites. Yeah. Okay. 'cause that first poop after the baby's born is a journey. Yeah. That's an experience. I mean in my childbirth class they described it as like basically giving birth to another child. I think it's that's not far off. All right. Yeah. Can't wait citing to look for to. Yes. So I need to pay my hospital bag. I mean, also feel like our listeners are so bored of this already. But like, we are we continue to be prepping the house to get ready for the baby we did make some progress map made some progress while I was gone. He moved the couch and the digital piano out of my office, which you know, if it was still in there that babies not gonna know you could the baby could live in an office. There's literally no to like their Faeroes space put notes it the the room is seven feet wide. So gotta get the piano. Yeah. Like there. You know? We talked about this on excellent adventure bunch. And we kept hearing people that that were like, you don't need to do anything to get ready for the baby. Like, he just needs to place to sleep in a place to be changed. And I was like, right. And you don't have like literally there is no room for that. Andy wear. So like, please just let me try to get this. Arrange like, I appreciate your trying to make me feel better. But like it is not applicable to our situation fair. I ordered some furniture that is supposedly getting delivered on Monday. From our good friends are good Swedish friends at IKEA. In a second. Dorie? Tori went why did you make that choice? I'm normally the one who makes weird word choices. I'm just trying to make it sound more cosmopolitan. I k- I think Ikeda is how they say it in some foreign countries. Well, how do they say it in Sweden, isn't it Swedish? I don't know. Well, you dish listeners get out of this is the new my seller me solarge. How do you say I key in your time, which we went over in the mini episode yet he said, we'll never mentioned again. Yeah. I got address her in a David I love, I mean, we've established this is the bet I know I've had hit or miss experiences with their furniture, but it's a nursery. Yeah. Get offs gonna get. It'll be vying. So. Yeah. So all of that. Is happening. And oh and also the the the long rumored window work that I've also been talking about hot topic weeks window work. Finally started today or he's houses fucking getting done. Oh my God. It was delayed by like three weeks because we've been getting so much rain. Now, we have butterflies now we have butterflies and it's gorgeous out. So like, it does finally feel like okay stuff is happening. And I have like five weeks to go. Right, right. The clock is the clock is ticking. And then the only other thing that's happening is you're throwing me baby shower this weekend. Oh, yeah. And like let me tell you everybody in my house is preparing. Sorry. No with wonderful. My in-laws are visiting right now, I should say so worth my my lovely amazing unless they still be here what they will. But they're taking a journey with the rest of my family have kicked everybody out of the house. But my inlaws have been prepping. They they are like the most helpful people to ever exist on the earth. I love them so much, but my mother-in-law washed windows today, she cleaned her outdoor couch, less her, oh, truly I've done some prep. But it'll be my inlaws who do the bulk of this baby shower. So we are going to have a shindig for you. I'm so excited. I am to oh. It's going to be it's going to be great. Yeah. And then the toast, you can't wait. And then the next day we're taking we're going with my nieces to Disneyland. Can you ride a lotta rides pregnant at Disneyland. I think you can ride the rides at my three year old niece would wanna ride perfect. It's a small world. That's like the perfect Disneyland. Yes, exactly not going to be going on. Splash mountain or space mountain. No mountain. No mountain. No mix Sunder. Yeah. So yeah. No, Soren hate Soren. I hit somewhere into. I'd hate star tours are very lucky to live in southern California. We can have opinions about these about. So we're about. We realized that it's very amazing. The reason I don't is the reason I don't like Soren is because I get motions to Dory. I'm just like this is not fun. The only thing that Soren is the vomit out of our stomachs. To show. I mean for the record. I also don't like the Harry Potter ride at universal. Yeah. Because it's also like that weird like screen. Yeah. Makes me very, nausea. It's gonna be fun to see Disneyland through the eyes of. Oh my God. I am. I am so excited that's magical because she is obsessed with Disney. Now, she keeps asking my sister. Like is this character going to be like she was like is Daniel tiger going to be a Disney? Oh. He's not. No. But you know, she's excited to visit Mickey's house, so fun. I so so excited. So I think it'll be a good weekend. Oh, it'll be great. He'll be weakened all about you. That's weird. You just have to lean into it. Okay. You just had to kind of an IRA sit because it is weird when you're the person who's being showered or celebrated it feels weird. Yeah. I've never like I didn't have a bridal shower. Did you for bridal shower? I did a little luncheon few. I also in my situation, I got married. So soon after my mom died that I think many people were being very generous with their time in stepping in to kind of do stuff, my mom. I'd have done. I see. So I did have all those little thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll thank you to everybody who did that ten years. Did you have a baby shower? Oh, yeah. Too damn girl. I had a friend's one. And then I had a family. Whoa. Oh, yeah. I'm I was showered. I'm very spoiled people were very high now so had a bachelorette party. I did too. I to actually wants all see look at why LA one in New York where you had to buy you would buy coastal bachelorette. Yeah. But New York one was a weekend. Wasn't the LA when a weekend? Also. No, it was just an a night out. Okay with Carrie. Okay. That sounds like a pathetic. It was great. I had fun at both know you see it's easy can be celebrated once. All right. I'll take it. I just roll with it. Thank you Dorie before we take a quick break. Can we just say that we had the esteemed privilege and honor of meeting forever? Thirty five listeners in Austin. Yes, it was so great. Thank you so much everyone for coming out truly blown away people drove from Houston and San Antonio. I mean what I know it was so so so much fun to get to meet listeners at and if you couldn't tell we were both a bit like shocked little deer in headlights a little overwhelmed at first nervous. But boy forever. Thirty listeners are just amazing. Yeah. You guys are the best. Thank you. So it was also encouraging to be like, oh, our fans will come out. This is great. And gave us some ideas for how to like hold meet ups in the future when we possibly Ernest terrified totally. So thank you Austin eits for being our Guinea pig. Yes. Thank you. You were amazing pigs. It was so great to get to chat with all of you. We talked about book recommendations. Yeah. 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Thirty five there is no coupon code just use our URL and the discount will be applied again. That's thrived market dot com slash forever. Thirty five for twenty five percent off your first order. We are so excited to be here at south by south west with our guest. Miranda Bennett maranda is the founder of Miranda Bennett studio, a brand known for its wearability commitment to environmentally sustainable practices ethical manufacturing partnerships and advances in the use of natural dyes in commercial scale Miranda is a native of Austin. And when she graduated from the Parsons school of design Eugene Lang college, she launched her first clothing line. And since then her work has been sold globally and featured in publications, including the New York Times and Forbes among others. She spent twelve years operating in manufacturing in New York and then relocated to her hometown of Austin in search of a more meaningful way to work within the confines of the fashion industry. And the result is Miranda Bennett studios. Mission oriented clothing line that strives to marry aesthetically compelling apparel with meaningful production practices focused around circularity environmental stewardship and managers say that her clothes are gorgeous their impeccable their impeccable, comfortable sleek, they're great. And she just opened her first brick and mortar store here in Austin. So miranda. I would love to start by talking about your line, which is beautiful and also size inclusive, which unfortunately is still rare in the fashion industry. So I'd love to hear about what it has meant for your brand to be size inclusive. Yeah. So how I came to that decision was really a very organic extension of the aesthetic that I. Felt naturally drawn to which is sort of trying to pare down into still just the essence of the garment removing like any unnecessary, and any unnecessary flourishes or details that sort of muddled just creating a garment that would drape according to the figure of the woman wearing it. So a lot of our garments. When you lay them flat. They have like these very geometric shapes these very simple shapes. And you know, the thinking behind that is that when they actually like engaged with the person wearing it that it will it will wear differently on different people. And that's actually one of my favorite things to see is different women of totally different statues and build side by side in the same top. And they both look beautiful, and they both look beautiful and in different and unique ways. So that's kind of the the why of it. But I have to say as you know, now on the other side where we do have a lot. Out of like, you know, we're tagged in a lot of imagery on Instagram of customers, Bering, our garments. And I have the experience now of being in the store where people come in and for any number of reasons, whether it's that, you know, they're very they're four foot eleven and like e-e-e-e-no size to or if they're like, you know, five ten in a size sixteen on and everything in between to have the moment with them in the fitting room when they put something on. And they're like, oh my God. I feel beautiful and that was so easy. And this never happens, and there's been tears like there's been, you know, it's actually like that is really powerful. And I've personally experienced that that challenge of you know, I remember once my fiance was like I want to like, let's go get you an outfit. We're gonna we had this a special occasion coming up, and he wanted to treat me to an outfit, which was such fun. Like Pretty Woman moment, minus the prostitution. And be like went to several stores. And I nothing looked good on me. And it just kept getting the the sort of emotional impact of that continued to increase throughout the day. We went through that experience over and over again. And then you know, it kind of it then became like just a cocktail of like frustration. And then also body shame and just all of the stuff. And I think that that's why you know, for me now to be able to deliver that to women feels like, you know, both from having experienced it firsthand. But then being on the other side of seeing the joy, and the ease that it can bring to a woman to just finally feel like, okay? Like, I know that this works for me. That is like so meaningful to me as a designer can we talk a little bit about some of the challenges Hugh face as an entrepreneur. I think you know, we'll one thing I think is that it is hard in the social media. Age that we're in you know, on the one hand that's such a boon in a benefit to business because you have this like direct line to your customer. And I think it it creates this type of engagement that that can be so informative and also such a more like excessively format of even just advertising, you know, which for a lot of brands that's kind of their primary like, you know, program for advertising now is through these like, you know, different channels like Instagram, and you do all of your own Instagram to. I do. And I really you are the head of a company who founded and you do your own social media. Yeah. We were just really cool. It's cool. It's you know, it's funny. We were talking about this. It's hard for me to let it go because it's our voice. And I think it that's the part that keeps stopping me from like eat it over one attempted. I quickly was like I can't. I'm not ready. So it's both just having that trust and someone else really conveying the voice of the of the line in the brand. And, you know, just the tone and everything, but it's also that I get so much insight from seeing what we're tagged in reading DM's that we get reading comments that we get. I mean, it's like it's literally a direct line to the people engaging with the brand. And that's pretty incredible to have that, you know, especially as someone who. Now, you know, I do work really long hours and really long days, and I'm not like doing the networking and the. I like going out in the evenings that you know, and and I live in Austin, not New Yorker LA's. So there's a lot of sides of it that make it really a great space opportunity to get that insight but going back to your original question. I think the double edged sword of that is you know, you fall into the sort of comparison trap. You know, you start to look at other people in the same space as you. And you know, I think sometimes with being based in Austin, I feel a little bit like I'm a little bit on the outside of the mainstream industry. And I think that's kind of for better for worse. I think that that's what gives us the space in the freedom to sort of innovate and do things not within the sort of very traditional paradigm of of running an apparel company, but other challenges I think are just resources I think with being a small business and with you know, doing so much of the production in house. There is there's a lot of long days. And there's a lot of days where you're. Anything from like, you know, the garments. Need tags on them or the bar codes need to be printed for the store, or you know, we need to drive out to the sawmill in bastrop and pick up some more e-e-e-e-no wood shavings for this next like lot that we're gonna experiment for dice stuff. Like, you know, or there's a pop up, and we need to like set up and breakdown, and you know, it's just there's I was actually in a in the audience of a panel yesterday in gen Gotch was saying that about her business that that's like a really big part that they opened with when they're interviewing is just to share like this is gonna be hard. And this is going to be a lot of really unglamorous stuff. This is going to be a lot of you know, I mean fashion general, there's just so much slapping like, you know, and people don't know that side of it necessarily do public social media adds to the illusion of ESPN glamorous when they actually are. Absolutely. And you know, I even feel guilty of not sharing more, you know of. That side of it. I feel like at something I kind of took from some of the conversations I was listening to yesterday was like, you know, it probably would be more meaningful for our customer to see a little more of that grittier side or the lead. You know that the by the scene. Yeah. Although sometimes it's like, well, how do I show you that I'm on my computer at three in the morning trying to late redesign her website. I think that is, you know, how do you even that being able to step back to sort of tell that side of it requires a certain amount of bandwidth that isn't always possible. Yeah. Totally speaking of Instagram. I am curious how you have worked with influencers and kind of few could expand a little bit on how Instagram in particular has been useful for your brand. So to the first part about influencers, we really don't work with them enough. And it's something that it's actually like on my agenda. Whereas I like to call it my to do scroll because so much more than a list Ravil it. So that is something that's actually, you know, very much at the forefront of my mind going into this year. And we recently had a conversation at one of our studio. I'd meetings were having each member of the team recommend one influence or that they personally follow and feel like, you know, very engaged with very much speaks to their values and their point of view, and we're going to be reaching out to each one of those and sort of trying to do like a more strategic like sending each one of them the same garment are are everyday style. Which is I like to call it the northstar of our collection. It's the style that sort of has dictated like the mood and energy and cut of the rest of the garments. That continue to be added. So the idea with that being to really show like how it really is about highlighting the person in the garment, and it can be such a diversity of people that can all look really wonderful, and it and do the things that they do in their life and their work. But the second part of the question was kind of how Instagram has been beneficial. Yes, hugely beneficial. I just think in general social media and the space that it's created for brands has completely like change the paradigm of what it means to be a company, or at least how a company presents itself to the market when I first started my collection that was Instagram did not exist. You know Facebook did. Although I don't really think it was being utilized in the capacity that it is now by brands it was still very much a personal platform for college students college. Yes. Exactly change. It's changed a lot. And I think not to mention all the coterie of other, you know, platforms that exist. What you know, my experience that first time was very much this idea of trying to sort of present myself as the other brands, and has sort of, you know, legitimate in the space that they're in. And so, you know, at that time, there was a lot more of that posturing of just sort of, you know, presenting yourself as just the other sort of, you know, companies that were on the market, but not really trying to stand out and certainly not really sharing what was different or unique about your production process. Let alone, you know, showing any part of that where I think social media has been so incredible. Is that it's created the space not only to share that. But it's created like a hunger within the sort of consumer to see that. It's like they've been introduced to that now. And so there's kind of no going back. And I think that that is. Also, what's really demanded? A lot more transparency from brands is you see one company showing that and you start to wonder why these other ones aren't like are they trying. What are they trying to not disclose? What is you know, or how far away are they from these parts of the process that go into the making of the product that you know, perhaps, they don't even know what's going on around the production floor. So I think it's really created this engaged and informed and educated consumer that I think I'm just like I'm so psyched about because it means if we take the time and effort and utilize, you know, just our resources towards these endeavors that are more labor intensive that are more expensive that are more challenging for a host of reasons. It's really incredible to know that there's actually people on the other side that are like their game because they're following along. And they wanna know, you know, all about that. And it's it's not just about the finished product anymore. It's like all of those steps lead. Up to it. Right. How do you if someone who's up at three AM redefining? Yeah. Your company website. How do you then implement your own personal self care? Do you have it? No, I really don't just being totally honest. Like, I really wish I could come up here and say like while I start the day with my phone in the other room and meditate for two hours set. My intentions have a juice. But I don't. That nobody's ever really wish her life. Yeah. I really humbled in the pursuit of getting that more inbalance. I think it's hard because there isn't there? It's an infinite amount of things that can be done at all times. And I think with the introduction of the store as well. You know, that's like Ben a completely new business for us. And it's really different from our, you know, our existing business. So I find myself kind of like straddling needs to really trying to lead these two endeavors that are very interrelated. But also, very different in their practical reality, and that's still very, you know, we just opened the store in December. So it's still something that you know, I'm hoping that this time next year. I could say, you know, I'm at least like stretching or something. Touching your. Something. But yeah, I think it's it is something that, you know. I think there's a lot of pressure in the social media space to sort of be you know, that person that is really doing it all and, you know, she's doing yoga, and she's running a meeting, and, you know, she's a brand ambassador, and she's ITO. But it's the reality is when you're passionate and you're engaged. It's like you wanna be doing the work. I worry about you know, being a present partner to my fiance. I worry about being a friend, you know, to the people. I I mean, it's hard because you do run a really feed all of those parts of yourself. But it does feel like the the businesses. Always the thing that kind of is, you know, it's the loudest sort of, you know, part of my my mind and my day, and I'm lucky to have a partner that is incredibly supportive of that an incredibly understanding because I've also had partners that weren't, you know? So I know what that looks like to. And I think that's the thing. It's kind of being a business owner and a small business owner it's a lifestyle. And I think you kind of have to go into it understanding that that's the case. It's not it's not a nine to five. And it's definitely not something that you can necessarily dislike leave at the office. You know, right. You are the off the office. And that being said, I'm I'm all for establishing boundaries and for your personal life. And being able to really delegate more. And and also like understand that delegation means like someone else is not going to do it. Exactly. Like, you would do it. That's like the biggest part that's hard. And I think that that's why it's a slower process. You know, for me in particular is like letting go of a little bit of control, you know. Yep. But yeah, it's challenging self cares. But we were I think we had talked about this on the phone. That's why sheet masks are. So great. Just like or just those little things you because I think that site of self care gets kind of branded as being more frivolous or something. But the reality is like I can sheet mask while I'm answering emails, and that's something that's a place to start. I think also there is this other side of self care where it's like pressure to do to do it where it's like if you're not meditating juicing who the fuck are you? And you know, that that also is work. It is work to do all those things as well. And so like, you kind of have to set boundaries with what right? You're going to do to take care of yourself. I'm pressure. You're putting on yourself to do that. Hopefully, you really have to hold space for that. 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And you also recently launched a line of nail polish and you're carrying items now from some other brands, so I'm wondering if that is going to kind of expand. And like what else is on the horizon for you like what goes into making a nail shit that. I mean. You took that on in addition to everything else, and that seems like that's a huge chunk of work. Yeah. You know, the beauty of that was that we worked with a partner that created the polish itself at its a seven free formula cruelty free made in the USA. The thinking behind it was here's a way to make this part of our collection. That's so special, you know, the color make it accessible at a price point that it's eighteen dollars a bottle or three for forty eight plus zero weights pouch putting that out there. But it's been really that's actually been a really fun endeavor. Because it's such a concise product the cost is so clear cut. It's so different in that sense from our collection where you know, depending on how the Di process win with the dyestuff for each particular panel of fabric, the cost can be wildly different which, you know, from an accounting perspective is a total nightmare when you're trying to get your cost of goods in order of. So the nail polish has actually been a really fun endeavor. And something I look forward to continuing to have in the collection to like be able to add to with each new edition and the reception of it has been really fun like we've been selling them. Really, well, but also just to be able to offer something so different. But yet that so clearly reinforces the brand is really it's it's been really cool to be honest. How did you land on nail polish? Is it the thing? You had always wanted to do or it was actually a conversation. With my dear friend, Jessica primary for deodorant. She's the best and it was a concept. She had and I just I'm not sure where it came from for her other than she does a lot of like, product development and has a really really rich background in that. But it was something that she kind of came up with you know, we just having like a she's probably like, my number one go to friend for discussing business with and it was something that she brought to my, you know, fraught in front of me as something to consider doing, and then really helped me facilitate that and I wouldn't have necessarily done that on my own. But it was such a, you know, it's one of those thoughts for as soon as she said it I was like could I really do that? Oh my God. I could. Yeah. Let's let's do it. And then in terms of the other brands that were carrying in the store like that process of being a buyer has been super fun for me because you know, there are so many awesome brands on the market now. That are using ethical and sustainable practices, and I really loved having sort of the guide of like thinking of who are person is. And what they're looking for who they're shopping for or even like, you know, a traveller in town who is coming to visit the store for the first time, and they forgot sunblock where they didn't realize you know, that we have I've forgot Yoder. And that's about it. I was I was like who's why I carry that such as moment to see it in action. But you know, like so being able to pick like one or two or three options for each of those key things that you like either put on your body or where with the collections. So, you know, having a really solid sunblock having a really solid like even natural lake mosquito repellent or a great hat, that's like affordable. So it can kind of speak to both our person that lives here. But also a person that's coming in to travel. And you know, I think it's fun now to think of like, the brick and mortar side of our business being something that can, you know, expand in the future and being other cities as well. It seemed like most of the brands were women owned brands, the that definitely is the case say majority women owned, but it's not like not not harake girl. Yeah. Definitely. Because I think that that inclusivity does go and both sides, you know, and for me, it's really more. About the values and ethics of the company, and the sort of just integrity of the product at self. Well, we love everything about what you are doing. Yeah. It has been a real treat to get to observe and then get to come in and get to see it in action. So you guys should all go. It's an east Austin. I think we have some time for questions from the audience Amax. With social media and running that all yourself because that's a lot to take on. Especially as noted entrepreneur. Do you ever feel like you're always kind of standing by for messages from your consumers, and how you kind of balance that with? With all the other stuff you have to do when all the other hands. Yeah, I've tried to be better about, you know, if we get a DM that's specifically like a customer service related question of affording those increase directly onto our sales team to provide that support because they can provide that better than I can from my phone, you know, out in in the world and stuff, but I do I think probably the days that I'm kind of the hardest on myself at the end of the day about what I've been able to accomplish are the ones where I didn't get that post up or I didn't do stories about X y XYZ thing that happened. There's definitely a constant sort of, you know, demand in the back of my head with having that as part of my like, you know, my daily responsibility. And I that is honestly why that's something. I'm like, I need to learn how to delegate some at least some portion of this. You know, I think sometimes the challenge with delegation is. Amount of preparation you have to do to really effectively accomplish it. So I can't just say, hey, take care of the Instagram for me. You know, it's like I need to really like set out like almost a manual for. What that looks like, you know, like what is the criterion for what gets posted what is the site. Like, what's the voice that we want to have like? What are sort of are like, you know, go to things I can prepare that person taking over to sort of know to be able to address. So sometimes that can be the real roadblock is being able to step back, and do the do the sort of homework to to hand something off can I piggyback on that? And just ask how do you an and maybe you handle this with ease? But deal with kind of if there's any ever any the negative comments the negative side of social media since it's so personal to you. You're managing something that has your name on it. How do you navigate the hat and set boundaries with that? I feel like I'm fortunate that I I'm trying to think of like, you know, specific examples of comments or anything like that that were harder to see your here. An unfortunate that I don't feel like that's like a ton of the type of sort of interactions that I ended up seeing. But I feel like, you know, it's really you will you will sort of hold and your energy will go to what you are focused on. And unfortunately, I think often you could have fifty positive remarks and one negative remark and you'll focus on that one negative one. So one practice I try and maintain is just like to really reinforce the good not to ignore the bad too. But to remember to keep that in proportion, but also win there is a critical comment or feedback. I also think that there is a lesson in there. I think. There's actually the opportunity to learn like why where it's coming from. And if there's merit to it. I don't like rule it out just because it's not pleasant. I really try and take even just like, you know, your size inclusive, but you don't have my size like, oh, what's your size? Let's talk about that. Or you know, I wanna I wanna engage with your brand. But I can't afford it. And like, okay, let's be better about having our studios sales section online like readily stocked, and like make sure that you know, or even things like expanding our zero waste products to have more of just like price diversity to have products that do start at like fourteen dollars rather than two or three hundred dollars exclusively. So I think the key with like, the negative commentary is like you kind of have the access to a focus group innocence. So think about you know, if there is actually something that you can take from that and do better from. This a very mature perspective that I would like to absorb. It's just sore. Don't get hurt. But you you do you are sounds like you are living in action Dory's favorite phrase, which is rephrasing of the narrative, totally re you're taking it in. It's such a different way. Then I feel like many of us to colluding number one me. Thank you. Well, I think it's a muscle, and you're very strong. Know you have to practice it over and over. Other questions if you have. As someone who's new to the brand. I you know, I was looking at your Instagram. And while you guys talked a little bit about the fact that you're very body inclusive. It also feels like you are diverse in other ways in the looks and the styles in in the ethnicities that you're showing is that something that you think about or how does that play into both like the development of your clothes in your styles in your colors as well. As the way that you present yourself. Well, I think the the minimalism of the aesthetic of our line is what lends itself to being able to speak to really diverse audience diverse in terms of ethnicity size age. So that's really like kind of a guiding principle for me is, you know, I'm so flattered when I hear that, you know, a mother and daughter can share a garment, you know, or that it could be the first kind of big purchase for someone right out of college. Or, you know, something that a woman in her seventies is purchasing and buying. So I think that it's not so much, you know, strategic on the back end of like, you know, what will speak to whom of this, but more so that it's just kind of an overarching design philosophy of really considering how the person inside the garment is always going to be the sort of focal point. And that the clothing itself is really there to sort of support and work with them for whatever, you know, sort of portion of the day they're wearing it through her station in their life that they're in. Hi. So I'm just wondering about making ethical and sustainable fashion acceptable to more consumer. So you had mentioned the price point can be a barrier to entry for some. And I'm curious just about how you think about your pricing strategy. I mean, of course, there's a good reason that ethical unsustainable goods are often more expensive. So how do you think about that? And then over time to make. Ethical unsustainable faction accessible to more people. Do you think it's more about educating consumers around by less and spend more on high quality goods or companies being able to lower the price point overtime to make it more accessible? I think it's honestly both. But I do think. Yeah. There is that sense that we do need to reframe the paradigm of how we're consuming. So, you know, yes. Like a three hundred dollar garment. I mean, I I understand that. That's a lot for me. You know? But it's also understanding that that feels like a lot more if you're also purchasing, you know, ten other things a month just as like standard practice, right, which is very much the way that people do consume. It's not a strategy of like here's my apparel for the season. It's just a often more spontaneous. And almost like recreational activity in America to shop in this way. That's social it's sort of on the fly. There's a sale you ended up your target to get toilet. Paper. You tripped over a collab- that they were doing, you know. So I think it's also understanding that you know, if we're considering the way that we're purchasing in a more mindful way, then yes, there's that side of it. That does the I do think makes it a lot more accessible if you really being conscious of like, you know, how and where you're spending. But on the other side, I think, you know, like with our line, for example, there are some items that were wholesaling that are died where we have a very very slim profit margin, and we're subsidizing that essentially through our non dyed garments. So there's also strategies like that that you can utilize as a business. To basically offset and sort of spread out some of your operational cost of goods that you have to consider. But then, you know, as a as a consumer, I think, you know, it's there's a lot of creative ways that you can also engage with ethical brands. You know, there's like I'd mentioned the studio sale. But you know, there's buying secondhand. There's that great Instagram. I always just say the name forward rather than backward, but the fashion bizarre the noise off. Yes. You know, that's like such a cool marketplace for people reselling specifically, like ethical sustainable, independent lines just going to studio and sample sales that other lines are carrying you know, sort of maybe also supplementing that three hundred dollar garment with you know, at garments as well. I think there's a lot of ways that we can sort of rethink where we're shopping and how we're shopping. Kind of be more mindful about it overall. Hi to kind of piggyback off that question. It seems like you're really mindful about the partnerships. You make with the folks who are producing numb your garments. I'm curious to hear how you with the fifteen folks, I think you said who you employ like how you make sure that you're able to provide those folks with like, a livable wage, and how how you sort of think about the sustainability of of the folks you employ, and like how you're able to do that as a small business because I know a lot of small business owners. That's a big priority that they'd like to be able to accommodate. But sometimes that's not the reality that they're able to do so. Yeah, it's definitely something. I think about a lot. And it's something that I I really want to ultimately. Always be mindful of passing on our growth to the team that we employ. So actually, Jessica had given me great feedback. When I was I really like getting a larger team for the first time, which is you know, you can offer your employees, you know, finance fit fun. I think the other one was another f word that covered title that. I can't remember. But that you might not be able to offer all of those. But what can you offer of those and being mindful of where you can't offer one being able to offer some of the other? So it's like if you're not able to provide the salary that you necessarily want to provide be mindful of providing a title that will give them the capacity to move onto another job with, you know, a better resume, then, you know, had they not had that. And also be mindful of really, you know, your position as like a mentor and a coach, you know, as the leader of that team and giving them the skills that. At that will allow them to grow professionally beyond their time with you, the fun part is, you know, for me that like I think initially I felt this obliga- to sort of almost be like a Silicon Valley like tech like Bing, Bong tables and break and Napa rooms and not. Yeah. Yeah. But like thinking about like having this obligation to provide all of these sort of like, you know, things that I really when I started to look back and look at the cost of like having these sort of like little like fun bonding things where they did actually start to financially add up, and I kind of step back. It was like, I think that this would be more meaningfully spent on their wages, you know. And I think at the end of the day like I can create a like peaceful and respectful, and like, you know, like an environment that you look forward to working in and that has, you know, functional like, you know, dialogue based work ethic. And you know, we're there's not dysfunction, and there's not, you know, a real sense of like, you know, I can create an environment that people want to actually be in the other thing too. Is that, you know, understanding as a small business that there is that pace car also for us. So you know, one thing that. My Liz who directs by studio, and I talk about in anticipation of each year is like what is an improvement. We can make to our benefits package. So, you know, it's like thinking about additional days off that we can offer like having more PTO is something where you know, we can give people more of that balance in their own sort of work life, but it's not necessarily like, you know, it is an expense. But it's a way that we can kind of we would already have anticipated spending that money, but we can give them more time to themselves next on my agenda is like healthcare like being able to provide that a lot of that stuff is really daunting though. When you you know, you have to also be aware that the best way you can be an employer is to have a financially sound company. So you have to like be making decisions in a way that's actually feasible to you because I am never going to bounce a check to teammate. You know, like, that's the other part is like you have to actually be able to back up what you want to offer. And to me be make. That you really can. Well, thank you Miranda. You so much you guys. Yeah. So Kate last week, and we touched on this a little bit earlier in the show. But you said you're going to lean into being sick. How did that go? Well, it went okay. In terms of like purchasing items to help me feel better. I did not sleep or rest because I was caregiving for a child. So it was a little tricky. I would I was up all night for three nights in a row with my daughter. So once her flu kind of subsided. I was able to get some rest, and you know, I was sick while we were travelling in Texas, and I really took it easy while we were there arrested. Yeah. I ate you seemed okay, though, I felt good. I mean, I think also just removing myself from my sick kids, which was I have to say I had a lot of anxiety about leaving them. But I left them in the very capable hands of my in laws, but I had a lot of guilt anxiety about it. But I also think it's probably good for me just to go somewhere where I could sleep and not be able to physically care for them to be. Out of the house of germ. Yeah. Out of the house of germs as they say. So it went okay, I'm still leaning into it. But I'm going to bed early being gentle with myself, not pushing myself too, hard and unfeeling. Good good. Tell me about hydration because I've seen you drinking a ton. You have to waters on the table. I do I have been really making a concerted effort to drink a lot of water end actually water with liquid IV in it. I don't just say for the ad. I think this whole forever. Thirty five team. We all liquid IV. And so yeah, I mean like at night, I've been putting I have like two pint glasses worth of water, and I drink it throughout the night. That's great. Yeah. So that's I mean a pint glass, I think is twelve ounces a lot. So it's twenty four ounces of water in like overnight. I mean, I'm peeing constantly. That's a that's a lot of work. What are you gonna do? I don't have another ultrasound for another couple of weeks, but the last ultrasound things look good. So I'm trying to stay on that. Track. You're taking care of yourself. You're taking care of your future, myself trialed. Yeah. Good work Dory. What about what's on tap for next week? You know, what my intention is story. What's that to watch? Tv who great intention. Yeah. I'm really enjoying shits creek. I started watching it this past weekend. I'm obsessed with it. And you know, like when we've talked about not making room for books. I also don't do a great job making room for like, TV and movies and my life. And I think they have a lot of Allieu. Yeah. Definitely. So I am going to. I mean, they pay the bills around here. We both are married to TV writers. So we're very lucky in that regard. Everyone keep watching watch TV. But I just was like, you know, what this is fun for me to have a show into fault like to enjoy this. And just it's been really really fun and good had a bunch. I've been doing a better job watching TV lately. It seems silly to try to be do a good job. TV? But there have been times where I've had no shows in my life. Yeah. So making room a sad time when that happened. Yeah. Like to be able to participate in pop culture, and also like have something that makes me feel good. I feel like I need to make a list of shows that I wanna binge when I have a newborn binging TV with a newborn babies, really satisfying. I got through like, what am I gonna be? Have you ever watched skins? That's the show. I watch. I watched the first season. Okay. All right game of thrones. Nope. I want a second. I watched the first two seasons as they aired. And then it like it got so violent that it was like hard for me to walk. Not a great show. And if you want something relaxing. Yeah. So I don't think game of thrones. Is it I've read all the books? Oh, I didn't know that about. Yeah. Read all the boat outlander. Maybe it also I've also heard it's violent. It is is there an iconic show that you've not watched Seinfeld. Oh dory. You've got. Watch seinfeld. It's too late. Like, I weirdly just started rewatching like the first season of Seinfeld. And it was very satisfying. Maybe I mean, maybe I understand it's too late for me, and like Gilmore girls say yes, just not gonna happen. Right. It's not. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know I'll have to. I'm sure there's something else that like, oh, you know, what? I've never watched the good wife. I've never watched that either. It's supposed to be fan. It's supposed to be fantastic. So maybe that will go on the list, and there's like they're twenty two episode seasons because it's on network TV, and there's at least five seasons. So that should keep me. Busy dig into some Canadian TV. All right. I think we'll shits creek is Canadian. I should just rewatch. You can't do that on television and icon ick. Canadian television show, your good Canadian show that at the time as a child I didn't know was Canadian team because at aired on Nickelodeon. Yeah. And also, your worldview view is like say with degrassi. I did know that was Canadian did I I don't know fifteen on Nickelodeon. Did you watch that that was Canadian, and oh, it's really good. You don't watch fifteen. This is getting way off topic. But. It was fantastic. You know what else? I never watched that we discussed on excellent adventure. Because I think I was too. I just mystic too old is Pete and Pete I was that means nothing to me. Right. We missed it. I don't get it. But my husband who six years younger was obsessed with it. Yeah there and remember when Pete and Pete had like kind of like a nostalgic return. Yeah. Years ago feed was really on it really end up Pete. All buzzfeed. Yeah. I it was like it was meaningless to me. Yes. Aim. It's very weird. Those moments were like a generation as having like like Hansen. I'm just like. Oh, yeah. But new kids come on. Donnie wahlberg? Would you know, he is still a honk to Joey had those dreamy blue eyes. He did. And you know, he seems like a good guy. I hope so me too. Yeah. Oh boy. All right. Well, that was journey Dory. What's on you? What's your attention this week? I just want to express gratitude for the great some of the great things in my life. Like my baby shower while I mean, let's wait to have it before you want to express credit expressing my family a lot of whom are coming in. My parents are coming in tonight. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And my sister and her family were coming in on a couple of days and my health very grateful for my health, especially as a pregnant lady. You know? Yes, I do know a lot of shit that could have gone wrong and still could go wrong. Yeah. But but this moment and interesting amendment. Yep. Things are things are good. I'm grateful for your health to we'll think you had mine and yours well Daury. This brings us to the end brings us to the end. 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The Kist & Solak Show #17: Eagles O vs Titans D Preview, McLeod's Status

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The Kist & Solak Show #17: Eagles O vs Titans D Preview, McLeod's Status

"Michael kissed Benjamin so lag. It's the Kistin Solex show presented by SP nation and leading nation. You are flying high on the kissed, and so lack show. This is episode seventeen brought to you by the fine folks at Espy nation and league. Greenish I am your host. Michael kissed follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL ks as always joined by the best Doug on co host in the game Mr. eight year streak without a bad day, Benjamin, so lack follow him on Twitter at Benjamin. So like that's SOL AK ban how you doing brother sad, Mike. Every day to be alive, but I'm sad, Matt till the people while your side because I'm sad to feel you because we recorded a podcast yesterday and there was something that we recorded that like became news relevant and it was something else and it was a good like we did a good job on that. I love when that happens. And then like two hours later, Derek gun of NBC sports had the report that on the clouds torn MC l. n. would likely be out for the rest of the season. Accordingly, we'll high and we were just singing the praises of Rodney McLeod guy who like, you know, before the season, you know, you're looking at a places to save money in you said, MacLeod you know, is a big contract, nine point, five million, hey, coming up next year. Like maybe that's a spot of course, Philadelphia, their money elsewhere McLeod stay on the roster at least for this year. But then with the way he's been playing with what he's able to do for the defense seems to really take a step forward in his game for a season because shores heartbreaking. So we hope that's the case Peterson end. The eagles officially have commented on whether or not McLeod is out for the season. They just know that he's not playing this week, but the way man. Rodney socks sucks that his his MC l. obviously has some issues going on there needed surgery on it and it, like you said, it hasn't been confirmed these out for the season. The the best thing I'm seeing out there is is twelve weeks from a cloud. So that's best case scenario. Hopefully that is the case, but it's not looking. It's not looking to great. And I said the report about him was pretty ominous when it came out that they needed one more test, there were rumors that it might just be a contusion pro football doc, Dr Chow said that it looked like it was just a from the sounds of it. It was just contusion turns out it's a lot worse than that. Yeah, I and that means we could see more of Corey Graham. That means that de'andre hall from northern Iowa, the safe that we that we traded for from the Chicago Browns seventh round conditional, pick revise foced, go, read my post on him, did a full report on him. It's on. On the, it's on the time line and put it out there. But yeah, he he only had six special teams snaps last week. He may be looking at a bigger workload. I think he's capable of it. I thought he played well in the preseason. His issue has always been getting straight in the offseason or off the field is where he's had a lot of his issues in the bears, just finally gave up on that gave up on the player or the person before they did the player. The field product is fine. Ben. I mean, where we go from here, do we do? We play more nickel because of that because we're playing a lot of three safety sets odyssey. Now if you know we bring up trae Sullivan, it's not going to be the same impact that we had before. How do we hide Corey Graham? What does that change for you? As far as what the defense needs to look like from from a deployment and schematic standpoint, the biggest increase in snaps probably does go to Sidney Jones and not to say that said he's been taking a low number of snaps because he has them, but simply at this point now when you are in your base, which is nichole, you're not. We're going to be looking at three safety sets nearly as frequently. You're going to be almost very heavily in three corner nickel sets the more traditional nickel if you will, does that mean that you have to play exclusively single high because you wanna be keeping a amalgam Jenkins down in the box? No, it doesn't, but that's very likely what you're just gonna see predominantly, the main thing that this does is it just limits your your versatility. Right. And that was what we talked about is what I wrote about what we talked about when we said wise McLeod off to such a hot start this season. It was simply that because MacLeod was being moved from that deep centerfield position more. So this season than we saw in previous seasons, Philadelphia had the freedom to do more things with the defensive back five or the back seven, whatever you wanna say in terms of coverage shells. And in those variations in those changes, they've creating bay turnover worthy opportunities right now, you know, we were highlighting a lot of the near interceptions in actual interceptions do not come from the eagles cover three shell. Rather they came from when. In Philadelphia shifted out of it, do you have as much freedom to shift out of it? You don't have because Corey, Graham is not a guy that I think you can really trust anywhere up. But if you're gonna trust him somewhere out, think he's a guy. You can necessarily trust so much in like man coverage on tight ends the way that you know McLeod and Jenkins you felt comfortable leaving those guys man coverage. If you had to, how much do you like Corey Graham as deep center fielder Mike, I just flashed back to that Kareem hunt touchdown against Kansas City to last year record grams of one of the most offensive angles I've ever seen coming downhill. Right? And everything bad about Jordan. I was like, what about the do behind Jordan Hicks to remember that now? Yeah, grandma's not a player in whom I have a lot of trust. So with de'andre hall, a guy who's got great size and length, whatever. If he can become a more reliable underneath defender, man, defender on big tight ends or whatever. Cool. But you're really banking on a long shot. You know what I mean? And so you're likely going to see them is still. Ills Darby in the outside Jones on the inside Jenkins and Graham being the base nickel, Graham will stay pretty consistently in deep middle or deep halves, and Malcolm Jiang's will be the the only safe. They wanna bring down at the box. They do bring ram box allot, but if you're bringing grand on, if you're bringing three safeties onto the field, it's trae Sullivan. Graham and Jiang has there's no way you're playing Sullivan deep over Fram because Sullivan is is stronger, safety type. That's just the way his Bill is. That's where his his talent lies. Now you will hear. I'm sure you've got the questions. I've got questions, Jalen hill safety reps, receiver safety wraps these player. This was haven't cross trained safety. They have not taken any practice reps they are in. So that's one that's some serious on the job training right there. If they were to do that, they haven't even flirted with it yet. So like wall Jalen mills n. Russell Douglas are playing deep thirds when they're in cover three, we're talking about drastically different run, fill responsibilities, massive changes in terms of what happens. With pre snap motion. Right? So even if after the snap, oh, like, you know, deal deferred. What's the difference? Yellow before the snap fitting within the scheme of the defense and not giving up for yardage via miscommunication. It's just it's very difficult. I on possible. Ask the player to just do that. I do not anticipate seeing Jalen mills or of us taking any safety style snaps, even though those are two players that eagle fans were. They have their teeth in the idea of one of them playing safety in the future. And you know, Jalen mills will the safety news freshman at LSU, but just because he did it six, seven years ago doesn't mean he can start doing it. Now. That's the situation. It's a lot easier on mad into switch guys to safety than it isn't real life, especially in the middle of the season. So I doubt we'll see anything like that. I would see the next question is, are we looking to trade for safety? I know there's a piece on bleeding, green nation dot com. Right now. Not exactly sure who authored it, but it was twelve safeties that the eagles could look at bringing in. So go check out that piece that was g many rain. So, yeah, go check out that piece by the highly. Elevated Beal g. making forever Ben, we might as well get to the rest of the injury report for the eagles. This is the whole show. We've kind of gotten off track as this. This breaking news with MacLeod the hold the the rest of the show. After this injury report here is going to be a preview of the Philadelphia Eagles offense against the Tennessee titans defense. Yesterday we flipped it. We did the Tennessee titans offense against the Philadelphia Eagles defence. So today with flip it around and will look at some of the individual matchups overall feeling about the titans defense, what they'll try to do to us before we get to that. Obviously, house cleaning needs to be done for the Philadelphia Eagles did not practice Al sham. Jeffrey do not panic. It was for an illness according to the team parents. He still clear for context. Good to go running back. Darren, sproles with the hamstring is still out JJ. He's back to full participation. And he revealed some interesting news that will get to here in a second. But also in that running back room, running back, Corey climent, dealing with quad, he was. Limited and then wide receiver, Jordan Mathews takes one week to land on the injury report here in Philadelphia with a hamstring back to jolly. He said that he has a fracture in his back and his ability to play apparently is going to be very dependent on his paint tolerance. And if I had to guess it a transverse process fracture which is something that Derek Carr, the quarterback from the Oakland Raiders play throughout the season with, but you know, very two different positions when it comes to taking on contact as a running back, you're getting it literally every carry as a quarterback, maybe not so much bad news about a giant man. I, that's that's definitely I think at the very least it limits his snap count, puts him on a pitch count just to kinda keep him nice and healthy and and feeling good. What do you think about this injury report so far then? Well, I I want Darren, sproles back. This is like, you know, a Jonah pitch count. Yeah is okay. Giant gone was on pitch count when he first came who you want to call it, that in the sense that that we. Survivor the Gye sharing time. The thing is you need a healthy, stable backs, right? Bright. I don't see Wendell small world regardless inva- giant is a pain tolerance thing. Will we have to ask ourselves how valuable or games in week five, six, seven, eight. When hopefully the are gonna be playing eighteen nineteen twenty and twenty one. You know what I mean? You obviously don't want to run that player into the ground. Of course, if this is a long-term season issue for giant, he already has knee concerns. This changes the way you view him as a long term contract player as well. So there's a lot going on with how you manage a giants reps, which is tricky because you want to run the ball against this defense against the way the titans deploy their their scheme. You'd love to run the ball quite well against these guys. So I anticipate seeing some giant. You know what I mean? Like I don't think that they'd be treating him as such. It were too big of an issue at this point other, not that bereft of talent just yet, but either way a jibing on a pitch count isn't nearly the. A big concern for me until you take Darren sproles out of the equation. That's where it becomes a problem. Absolutely agree with that. Okay. So titans injury report a go through the did not participate. I offense of lineman. Dennis Kelly. You can argue that he's never participated in a game of football. He was out with an illness running back as a second day in a row for him to shots. Denny Dennis Kelly. I don't think he's, I don't think he deserves that, but I feel good about it running back David Llewellyn still dealing with the groin quarterback. Blaine gabbert has a concussion in full participation. This is interesting. Marcus mariota returns to full participation with that elbow injury that we've talked about. Also Jack conklin with the knee, which is definite upgrade for them at right tackle. 'cause Pamphili was out there on the right side and I don't know if you saw Ben, he was bad, but he was also guard trying to play tackle and wasn't really a great spot for him. Also, full participation. Comelec Correa with his back, Ryan suck up was a full participant Dorie Jackson with his concussion Kendrick Lewis with. Foot, and I think that does it for them. Anything stand up for you there? If I think from what it looks like it sounds like Mario's elbow in fingers are are starting to feel fine, which could definitely impact the way that the the eagles play the game on Sunday or game plan against him on Sunday, stood out for me is J's the titans of Kamli Korea the trip for about telly. Miss that two things happen to me. Why was like ways everything that happened? A number one is the titans faded for Kamli Korea and to Jack del Rio coast. The Oakland Raiders. I totally forgot. That was the thing. I guess it's just being by the fact that Jon Gruden is now coaching the raiders, but Jack del Rio was like a kind of successful at some point coach raiders in the way those the two things that blown online today, but yet, no, Mario, being back Jack conklin being back Dory, Jackson, being back Bom, you know, the kind of guys that were question marks for them coming into the week. Look, they're all playing at least the big impact guys. Obviously, there's no Delaney Walker. But yeah, the titans. Should be at relatively full strength. As far as that offense goes than having a door is also big deal, and then they have restored Matthews was the news today. That was the other thing. That's what I said. We were talking on with a report. The podcast I was like, I've heard that Ricciardi gone. And then after recorded I swear, I swear to goodness. Rappaport was like, yo retard Matthews's gone. I was like, Ian, how you source me next time. But no, you're fine. Yes. So that was interesting. I was listening to my friends in Tennessee radio today. Go back and forth about that in its Becky was losing snaps anyway. He had one target early in the game against the Jaguars. He dropped the ball on third in one, he had a three arteries after that. He was playing special teams. He was losing snaps to guys like what's his name? Darryl Jennings from mistaken, no respect. If I screw up your first first name there, Mr. Jennings in Tehran Taylor Tozzi sort Rowen snaps there. So he was on his way out. He had issues with previous offense coordinator, Terry rediscovered in, obviously it's not working with the new staff there for. Matthew. So he's out not not a very big impact whatsoever, but still news of for that section there. Okay. Then let's preview this matchup with the Tennessee titans defense against the Philadelphia Eagles offense. Just just first impressions out of the gate of the Tennessee defense as as you watched them. I know one of the things that that I really liked an in, even though they they didn't get any pressure on on Tanna hill in week one, they harassed to Shawn Watson in Houston week two. And then they were up and down a little bit against accidental week three. But overall, you look at some of the blitz packages that they bring to the table with solid cover men behind them. I think that they could have at eagles have strong struggled with stunts and they run a lot of games with what they like to do. They'll give you a different looks before the snap. They'll send people from different directions and try to get themselves in advantage. And then when you throw in herald Landry, they're who they had on a bit of a pitch guy. He's more like a sub package guy. For them as a pass rusher, but he's dangerous on third downs. I like what they do in the stunt games in the us federal with before this thing that stood out to me the most is us having to be sound in our protection. Make sure that we're communicating pre snap what's going on in what we need to do, who we need to pick up and making sure that those are sound. What did you see Ben from this defense? That's only allowing sixteen point seven points per game, dean, pees events coordinator. Yeah, was it was the ravens divas coordinator, retired and then came back the titans defense coordinator. Very interesting situation with obviously might rail. There's defense, mine, head, coach, I love zone, blitzing defenses. They are like like a guilty pleasure of mine. I know they're not good for me. I know they're not really good for the league anion end. You shouldn't miss difficult to be very successful now until eighteen with the zone, but to defense. But I still just can't quit him. I love him blitzing defenses. So what happens Tennessee's got. We talked interchangeable safeties Tennessee's got two different safeties that they trust to play much everywhere, and that's can't even car with a pig above the street from New Orleans who's playing quite well for them, which doll shocking we'd car was good, and then they got the young Cam Byard, young, middle, Tennessee State Kevin VR Kevin, third year player is the bureau barred that was barred. He's got, why do you say the why it. Okay. So be a RD barred. So be YARD is not like a silent east Jewish in man. You're, I think you're really like you're putting a lot of like a button into it. You're saying beyond initial Byard. So Kevin county. I'm I'm really questioning myself now I'm gonna hear it. Oddly the rest of the podcast, but Kevin Tennessee State safety thirty year as great young player who big fan of him and when he plays, they're interchangeable. So what you can do with those two guys and then also the corners, Dory, Jackson's, stellar athlete, Malcolm, a great cover meta. As you can flip, they give you covered to look at. It goes cover three and they give you cover three into becomes quarters. Gave you cover one. It becomes cover zero and they move those safeties no secondary men pretty much everywhere and Nichols, the new base. Logan. Ryan is a great nickel. So throw in the fact that now you've got not great front, four obviously herald Landry would for him to earn more snaps, rusher, Ryan ragged clothes, always like a disruptive guys on China, shop guy, but he's not. I'm not sure how much you can rely on him. Derek Morgan on us snapped at basis. They got DRO, Casey draw cases the for command control, Casey, but either way he's a bad effort. Yeah, for sure. You've got that front for. It's not necessarily talent ridden, and then you lost every Williams in free agency. So right now you're, you're Rockin. Wesley Woodyard was playing pretty well. Jay on Brown, marshawn Evans, their first round, pick some nice developmental pieces, positive guys. You've got some veteran guys in Bennie. Logan was he would your Derrick Morgan Bryner I got DRO Casey's or feature fees, whatever your zone blessing with those guys, Mike, five of them on the line almost every given time overloads like crazy favorite part of the zone, like nine tech and every else's. Like either opposite three Tekere further away. What are you doing insane? Go respect. Nothing is sacred and you have five or six guys up on the line. Got linebackers hopping out of gaps, pop out gaps, and you don't really know which way to slide protection of where the pressure's gonna be coming from, and people drop zone blitz. Defense is very, very fun. What's the? What's the weakness there happen? You attack them? Well, number one, I said, kind of in twenty eight teams own blitz defensively are harder to pull off because if you can execute it good. Spread style attack. A lot of priests motion a lot of quick screens. Lot of jet style sweeps and swing passes like a lot of ad behind the line, but was green ticky tacky stuff. You can execute that. Well on eagles Cam, they've evidence that over wtrw since tenure than you a lot of problem for Joan defenses because you're basically asking three hundred pound defensive linemen to get into the boundary in cover running backs, anti-death ends, and that's very difficult. So Philly should be able to attack it. But this is always has the potential to be disruptive as potential Jimmy turnovers because of the amount of rotation that happens in the back. So it's an exciting defenses, fun to watch. Just from pure schematic standpoint, thankfully will handle it, but I appreciate it. Regardless. Do you think that as far as the offensive line goes, you look across the board, I think with you as far as not necessarily worrying about the individual matchups I'm more worried about the stunt games in picking up some the blitzes that they have, but Derek Morgan, Brian Iraq. Poed don't necessarily concern me against lane Johnson and Jason Peters inside. What I'm trying to do if I'm the Tennessee titans is find a way to get drill Casey on Stephen was new ski and see if he can muscle him around a little bit and run stunts to that side because they got beat up by stunts a little bit last week against the against the colts. And I felt that there was a lot of defensive holding happening there too. That was causing that was going on. The players talked about after the game, they're like, yeah, this house all the time. The only reason you'll survive that fourth down play was because lane Johnson got held a little bit like maybe this much and lane through his arm back and caked up into the air through a hissy fit was held the penalty, which it's, that's what you gotta do it. I don't hate it felt like a wide receiver defensive player getting held than than you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm not worried about the individual individual matchups just, you know, for v five getting pressure even if we have to pick up one of those one of those rushing linebackers. However, I will say if it's one of the smaller guys like Darren sproles Corey Clement, and they have to pick up Sean Evans, I remember what Rashawn Evans did two running backs tried to pick him up in blitz pickups in college, and it was nasty. So overawed you're more concerned. I think the same same as I am just the blitz packages and making sure the is communicated beforehand not getting caught out by stunt. Sa's definitely more important than are more worrisome than the individual matchups. Yeah. And when it comes to running backs in pass protection in general, right? You love to get the matchup with them because most time you're Russia's can blow him over. But the best Russia's you get is when you force a running back to make a choice because a running back isn't a guy who has the mental schema for being installed within a group unit off line union terms pass protection, right? So he doesn't have kind of a stall mindset. So what what I think you loved you as his own defense number one. And number two, what Rabl NPR able to do quite successfully is get that halfback to step up into an air gap to to deal with a linebacker closing from depths to deal with one of those green dog style not agreed. Agassi's me like eagle double mug, sort of a situation when knowledge you get him to step up into that. When you run stunts with that attached, then you're now forcing that running back to become part of the office of line shifting rights. Multiple times. I noted a lot against the Jaguars. They would send a linebackers Blitzer, but he would be the crasher in a stunt writing the penman he'd be the penman. And so what you're doing is that running back as king the linebacker. That's what he does, right? That's his job that linebacker comes crashing on the gap. The running back goes to take him. All of a sudden on the defensive tackle the be gap, comes looping over the guard goes to shift, right? I'll take the panel. You take the Looper running back on how to do that. Wine trail, right? They have no idea. They never did not entrain this until you get you buy yourself a free rusher in that regard. And so- exposing running backs and pass protection is even more than a physical matchup and absolutely Corey command. A good has walking running back. No running back has built the handle cross dogs, including Durell fricken Casey who is the most flexible defensive lineman in the league at three hundred and five pounds. And it's just, you know, they're not built for that, Corey lament. Nobody's I did see, I know exactly what rep you're talking about with the against Jacksonville, actually have it up on the on the time line, put the vict- up. It was Wesley wintered coming in as the smasher and he takes out the running back in the guard with them, and then it was Derek Morgan coming into to hit Blake Bortles who ended up misfiring, which she was misfiring for a lot of that game and his receivers, anything, and they were just bad offense. They were so bad. Just a real quick moment here for the Jaguars offense. Rest in peace because. That performance after the New England game was so bad. Did you did you see their wide receivers in a first half ended UC Bortles in the second half. It was like, how is this offense ever gonna score again, lesson. Leonard Fornet thirty five carries every game. This is not a fantasy related tweet sentence sentence is not a fancy related sentence talking in tweets. Now feed Leonard, feed the beast, moving onto some of the secondary matchups that we are going to see Jordan Mathews. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, it just I mean. Maksim adventure time nonsense his a, he's an average wide receiver dealing with a hamstring injury already. You don't really know how much is gonna play a hope. Alshon comes back. If he does, then he's probably gonna see, I think it's a lot of Dorie Jackson in that situation playing him outside against the door. If it's Matthews against adore, Jackson Matthews, doing jackal day Nelson galore in the slot against Logan, Ryan. I like that matchup other than that, Kamar Aken a really put it onto Kamar Aken Jordan Mathews against either Malcolm Butler or Dorie Jackson, you might as well just shut down the outside passing game unless you're moving tight end out there and you can open up that way like they did against the Indianapolis Colts. And I feel the way that they deploy their coverages is very similar to what the what we saw from the colts, but it's more of a cover three shell than it is a cover to shell. They like to play some soft zones like everything in front. They like to come and swarm and tackle as is a lot of what I saw and they've got the coverage guys to do it there little bit more dynamic with talent in their defensive backfield. Field. They can do a little bit more than the colts did, but the philosophy to same in the Jaguars tried to attack vertically, it wasn't happening that could move the ball same situation with the colts. You've got to be able to, you know, pick them apart, move the ball. Downfield might maybe take a shot every now and then, but they're not going to be readily available for you. They're not very risky defenseless or coming on those blitzes. You need to get those big plays when those blitz happen by picking them up. Because other than that, you're really not gonna get those chances. What did you see from this Tennessee titans secondary, but I have a point of umbrage to take with you. The eagles should not move a single tight end to the outside entire game. I pigeon never report once under no, Kate. Here's the only reason why I would do it. I'm not moving that out there to go face a Dorie Jackson because I feel like it's a better match up. I would rather the door Jackson by playing Jordan Mathews if they move a tight end out there and they get a linebacker out there with them. Now we're talking a little bit, but Mike, I still do like the titans better in the slot. This all if you want. To open up outside passing game. You're gonna have to do something because it's not happening with those guys period. No, I'm saying I don't think they're. They're like they're not gonna play enough man coverage. I think to get linebackers consistently mashed up on tight ends in one on one situations outside. I grew break because you would be bananas to be like, all right. We've got a door, Jackson, Malcolm Butler facing Jordan. Mathews Nelson Aguilar Kamar Aitken we should probably you know what I mean? Like like men on that. Like these guys like to one on one end leave Wesley Woodyard and Jaylen Brown Rashawn Evans on governors right leg. Plus, if you have plus linebacker tight end match as you play hack? Yes, lockdown situation guys, here we go you, you know what? I'm thinking. I'm thinking because I'll give the titans linebacker some credits because this is not third linebackers your Franklin out there that we're just going to pick on or Anthony Walker or something like that. Here's a little bit better than that. But at the same time I am not manning them up with those two. That's not my game plan. They're definitely going to get a car involved in an unbeaten involved with with covering those guys right when it's man coverage. In my opinion, obviously, Dory Malcolm on the outside. You get low Ryan on a slot. It's eleven situation. You Kenny Vaccaro when your man guys Jaylen Brown the fifth rounder UCLA a linebacker who they've they're nickel Sal of linebacker. That's who I would you get even then I think hurts on Brown is busy. Push alerts are thank God her on Vaccaro slash Logan. Ryan is a push to God her. The thing is talking about the zone blitzing ideas because of the nature of the drops you get on zone blitzes in the underneath areas, you immediately scheme yourself out of coverage, and the goal is to keep the quarterback confused long enough that you can spill and get your front seven guys into their covers quickly enough. I think about, you know, you watch the eagles eagles have four down linemen and then they have their, you know, three linebackers two linebackers in a nickel, and they got their their their two corners. Gonna be off. They're gonna have one safety down the box once. In the middle of the field this the shell looks like cover three before this now, right aid, it's irregular, not. You know a majority of the time, but still compared to NFL defense relatively. It's irregular for the titans to be in their posts, snap cover shell before the snap, because round much movement. They d- right, like I've seen reps, Mike, were they moved from cover to to cover to? They just switched who went wear, which like, okay, fine like, that's, that's. That's the thing that other teams do. I don't think it makes a lot of sense vote ever. So as a result, when you have those front guys spilling back, you bet defensive ends dropping into flat zones and you've got diva the tackles dropping in the hawk zone, which is a thing that they've done in those immediate moments. After the snap, your receivers have been very alert to if they are uncovered in space. Get your head. Turn ball is coming your way right? A you. Gotta hate Greenberg with. That's why said like sweeps and screens. And then the end, the jet motion oriented offense is very valuable because when you incorporate present motion against the zone blitz, right number one, the zone Blitzer are going to have to. Adjust into which gap they come through because they do have to adjust strength the formation because of the threat of the run. Right. Kate just stay where they previously aligned before the motion. And so when you force them to change what gap they come through your likely making longer paths for the droppers. Right? Because you're moving guys around from where was on the truck board, the chalkboard the drop, the most advantageous way they can writes, priest motion is great. When you work those the, the flat in behind scrimmage into the boundary will you're basically looking at there is some of those linebackers gonna be coming. They're gonna be closing those areas. They're not gonna be able to buzz to them very quickly because they didn't align five yards off the ball in the usual spots. They were upper scrimmage, so you get those little swing passes going. And then to the point with tight ends, you have all those linebackers running around. You have them coming to the tight ends coming to the seems disadvantageous angles, and you have safety spilling into an out of various seems as they rotate coverages. You have to be heading, be careful because you don't wanna throw into a rotation. You're asking for. Six ball's gonna fall right in somebody's breadbasket. But when you can throw behind a rotation to the area they spill out of talk about, you know, their blitzing from the the offense is right with that means the defense. The offense is left. Those defenders are gonna be flying to the right. You have further left. You gotta throw away those defenders. Vacating hit those spots behind defenders yet bequeathing every snap. You gotta know what you're looking at. Why Blake did bad. You gotta you gotta be very, very aware of the situation. Carson's good at that. Doug is very good at generating. Those quick throws. I have good faith in the offense. We prepare quick question before we get to some of the predictions. We kinda scan. No, that we kinda skipped past the running game. How do you feel this running game matches up agai Tennessee. Titans defense might. I'm very glad you ask them tell you why the Tennessee titans on from numbers that you usually you do it me so get ready scared. The exciting will while you're pulling them up all say that the Tennessee titans ranked second in red zone defense. They're kicking butt in that area. So even if we do with the ball, twenty twenty against them, once we. Get to the red zone. We gotta buckle up. We got, we got play real good. Yup, real good down there. That's my my hashtag analysist. Wow. It's very. All right, Tennessee breaks twenty fifth in the league defensively, in terms of explosive, runs allowed this because you have guys, you have all your your gaps accounted for when you're zone blitzing, but you have guys coming from crazy angles, right? It's gonna make it a little bit tougher to traffic to win because it's not just the four guys who expect coming straight downfield wherever I see that as much. But Mike, the crack toss from lambing, yes, in a big way in a very big way because you can run that into a blitz and into the opposite side of the blitz and both will be equally successful again, getting the ball very quickly into the boundary this what we're talking about and then pure outside zone, which obviously a giant availabilities helpful there, but they ran outside gem was small would end they ran which all Adams God knows why successfully against girls so you, you hit outside zone and again, ball quickly into the boundary. Anything about inside out inside and outside zone off of linemen are not coming to play. Players, they're coming to landmarks. Rights doesn't really matter what Tom foolery the defensive front seven getting up to off. It's going to the same spot. They've got to be able to think into a just on the fly as guys stunned they twist. But that's one of the best characteristics eagles off into flying said they're fantastic dealing with that. We've been playing together for so long. So I think that ripping off big chunk place in the running game. Mike, there were, I think, off my head of five runs for the eagles against the colts over ten plus yards which is not regularly that is very, very strong, very impressive. I expect to see a similar performance against Tennessee, and I think it's gonna matter in a big way to this is the tendencies decent unexposed plays against the past. You're gonna give up some big ones, but I think against the run, they're going to be notably week because the nature of the defense you gotta take advantage agree with you there. So I think that we are a plus in the run game ended his very nice unlike with what the titans have to have an offensive line with the athletic profiles to be able to do these fun zone, blocking things that we need to do to. Operate our game plan. Van, let's get to predictions right now. The line has moved to four and a half. The eagles are the favourite and the under his starting to move the over under starting to move down a little bit. It's at forty one right now. What he have titans have scored above twenty. I'll see them correct. Don't know what it was last year by. Don't think that though, scoring twenty very frequently either. So do not have a good yield trust in this offense ju- hang up the points. We talked about this on the last episode, right? Yeah, definitely Philadelphia's offense, obviously, you know a giant question Mark al-shar question Mark. So in general, this is a game I would be staying away from bedding because the eagles offense could come out with like two of their primary weapons or zero of their primary. What like you know, there's a lot of variants for their, you shouldn't despite the eagles to win the line movement. Does make sense when it started with three. I thought it was going to go a little high Philadelphia and it has. I would still take a Philly against. Spread if I had to make the peck and then the over on better with Philly on the road, it's a little bit more shaky, but I probably still lean over in that way. I know I said over last week against the colts, I didn't check the weather report, so that's what led to that. But anyway, I will take Philly would take points on a game sort of twenty seven to seventeen Philadelphia on thinking twenty four, ten, Philadelphia. I don't trust the titans to score in the red zone, very much. They may get down there two or three times and come away with one score that's about the rate at which they're hitting it now. 'cause they're, they're very, very bad in the red zone as be covered in the last episode. I think the eagles are, I think the eagles are able to punch through this. This red zone defense that the titans have. They aren't just gonna have a whole lot of opportunity. So it is going to be somewhat low scoring. They're going to again antitrust the that they have the right game plan against this defense like they did against the colts and they get some better execution overall, not just from, you know, taking the penalties and everything like that. But also with Carson Wentz being a little bit cleaner. And I am looking at the weather report for Tennessee right now, and it's looking like eighty five and sunny, whether should reflect the game. So, yeah, I'll take twenty four to ten, which means I'm taking the under for the the third or four straight game with the eagles in its. To be great. I wish someone would be great and hit the over. I was the eagles would put up forty points like they were accustomed to last year and we could just move on from talking about how the eagles offense is struggling despite the fact that they have seventeen weapons out right now it feels like, so I'm taking the eagles in this one, twenty four to ten, low scoring affair pretty pretty boring game. Just like a lot of the titans offensive drives have been, and she's going to kind of drag the game down for me. Of course. I know a lot of titans fans follow me. I am. Sorry. I've been so harsh on your team. I am frustrated in motion because I want this team to be good on the mariota. Mario, excuse me on the Mario fan, and I wish they would get their crop together on offense and start running it in a more efficient manner and show some balls when it comes to their fourth down decision making. That's what I would like to see. So sued me if I've been harsh on your team, you know, I love you guys. Thank you for for following here on a Philadelphia eve. Eagles podcast. I appreciate that continue to give me crap online on Twitter and I will respond and Ben, would you say goodbye to Argenta listeners? I mean, sorry, also Tennessee lets you don't have to apologize for anything. It's on me. I'm putting this on me. Don't make it about you and this is my meat. Bad. Like, hey, sorry, I beg screw you guys. Kiss Solex apologize to Ron Davenport or something. I dunno shutout Theron let me Theron shout out to the beat reporter who will remain nameless. I apologize to you because you just published a piece about one of the corners, playing safety, and I rolled my eyes in a big way on seriously doing this. Like what does the Kistin. God wouldn't do. And dude I interest in that. I'm sorry, I, I'm derailing. Your whole send off. I'll do like the like odor like Michael kissed. And so I. Kistin. So actually open aerodyne. That's that's how I hear the intro. That's how it goes in my head. Oh yeah. Who called it? Baby making music. Do those dude on Twitter last night, a love that comment. Apparently, a, we get him in the mood with that opening intro with the with the music. So what we call it, it's not. It's not a podcast, it's a mood. It's a mood cast. It's a mood cast, or my vote is it's pood- it's upon and mood. It's pood-. I think that sounds really professional on grey Alana tell my mother that I'm I'm recording new tonight. I feel like she really enjoy that. Maybe we need to make that a Twitter poll and people can vote on what it should be less end us on Twitter with polls is a bad history. Usually to task fans, banner. I like it because they're compliments or so genuine. Awesome. And we love them. And then we just come out with unique. Who hasn't seen it before it goes like, no, he like a love you guys even both gray for like Jews. Eleven. You gotta put the listeners through through Gogi man. They gotta know they gotta be hard and they gotta be wore ready for the bad times. This is his show. You're listening to the Javer think like somebody listens to our by gas. Well, those were really good. Football takes out tra- like these guys are there's no way and that was true. So well, put together for the first thirty five minutes. And then what is happening here who these people that's. 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Ep 61: Talk It Out with Nicole Byer

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Ep 61: Talk It Out with Nicole Byer

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I am Kate Spencer, and I endorse Chevallier, and we are not experts. We are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums, and we're going to be doing that live. At south by southwest in Austin, Texas on Saturday, March ninth a to a two pm you do need a badge to come to the show. But if you are someone who has a badge, please come to the show come to the show. It's going to be great. We're gonna be interviewing Miranda Bennett who I'm obsessed with. Yes, she's a very cool sustainable fashion Desai's size inclusive like her closer, beautiful, comfortable jumper situation. She's just really cool. And yeah, I'm just so excited to talk to her. And then for those of you who don't have badges or for or if you do or if you do to spend the whole weekend, we're doing a meet up with natch Butte, which I'm also beyond excited as how many honeys in the how many? And that is going to be the following day Sunday March tenth from five to seven PM. There is an RSVP it is free. But we would love to RSVP. So we kind of know how many people are coming and we will link to that RSVP in the show notes. That said we'll be there. We will be are excited to meet self cardigan, self Kerrigan's, whatever we call ourselves. Still don't know know forever heads. Nope. Nope. Nope. We're still figuring it out. But we would love to say hi in person. Yeah. You can look at our skin stunk it to close the feel the cracks and crevices there. Got an I've got a lot of like gentle tiny black heads on my chin. Spoiler alert. I can't see them, and I'm those hitting like to away. But this is a this is a good conversational. It is. I don't feel like I'm invading your personnel space if you were six inches. You might be able to start seeing whatever's growing down there. Okay, noted, you know. All right. I'm only human. How are you doing Dorie? No, I've been spiraling. Oh, but I'm pulling out of it. I don't know I've been spiraling. And then I've been trying to figure out why I'm spiraling. Which is a whole other myrow. My the anniversary of my mom's death is fast approaching. When is it? It is March fourth. Okay. But also like I don't that often. What happens is in mid February. I start getting like really rage e and angry at everybody and just like really in kind of a shit mood. And then I'm like, all right? It's that time of year. Again. I don't know if that's this. Also, you know, I'm now this will be the twelfth anniversary of my mom, passing my. So that is a very let's longer time doesn't mean that I still have grief, but it's not the same kind of raw feeling like one year. So, but I don't know. I'm just kind of I've just kind of been like digging around in my negative negative self-talk space and just now I'm just trying to like, you know, gently back out of that. Okay. So. So are you back? Have you backing out of it by telling myself to shut the fuck up? Oh, okay. Like just by. I how do I wanna say this a lot of it is body? Just more fun more young a lot of it is that and which I do not I do not want to be a person who spends all their energy, it's exhausting. It's a zaas thing. So I'm just thinking about that is this what how I wanna spend my mental energy when there's so many other important things going on in the world. And also, I'm a person of value, like whatever, you know. I'm just really trying to break through that shit. And man, it's just been chasing me for thirty nine and a half years. I hate when it like rears its ugly head when you think you're over it. Yeah. And it's also kind of like, it feels it feels dumb, but it's a little it's kind of embarrassing to admit that I'm still plagued. By a lot of thoughts like self loathing and not living myself. That's you know, I want to be especially with two daughters. Like I wanted to be like, I love myself. No matter what I feel great all the time. I believe in myself. Like, I does that's unrealistic. It is kudos to the person who exists in that space because one person I would honestly find it stressful as a daughter of someone who is like that. That's a good like, you're right. Then there's no space for you to be sad. That's true. So I think it's important to show. Kids. You know, I say this as someone who doesn't have them. But soon enough, I think, you know, you wanna show vulnerability. That's definitely tried to. And I do I do cry in front of them when I do like express when I'm frustrated or sad or. But you know, like, I want to also like endow them with self esteem and self confidence. So it's very humbling when I struggle with my own self esteem and self confidence, and we give you a little bit. Okay. Don't comment on other people's appearance to your kids. I don't think I do my mom. So your mom would comment about other people like look at that person. They're this. They're that are they're so beautiful. They're usually negatively, and you don't even realize how that affects you know. I mean, I I mean, I have a different situation in which my mom was very self deprecating. And now, I am very self deprecating, and that's my go-to for humor. And I don't want that to be nuts. Very hard to snap out of. Yeah. Do you? Did you pick that up? Like, do you? Also, I've never really heard you come in on other peoples of no because I became I became aware of. Yeah. Oh, my mom's. So judgmental. Like, it's hard. I must have been really hard. I don't want to. I mean, look in the grand scheme of things. It wasn't like the hardest thing in the world. Of course as a scale of are expected. Have this sort of like, I did have a growing awareness of like, oh, that's not like a great way to be, you know. Yeah. So worked through that. And just trying not to I don't wanna like impart that everyone else, I did make an appointment with my therapist. I didn't Email my therapist because I have been really bad about consistent therapy in the past couple of months. So I did send my old therapist in Email. They replied right away. They're the best. So I'm gonna get you know, get back into that. Are you going back to make regular appointments? I was going once a week once every two weeks, and then the holidays just like I just like threw me off and I never got back on track. And I really need to be consistently in therapy at the. This moment in my life. Sure. I will say Dory. I did mention my back pain, and I've had to really kind of like transition my thinking on my whole getting jacked two thousand nineteen. But I did a whole lot of back care stuff last week. I saw my doctor I set up physical therapy appointments. They can't see me for a few weeks. But at least have have it all in the calendar for like, two months and went to back pain, yoga class went to a chiropractor who's very gentle and really helped my back pain. Oh, good. And I went to an infrared sauna look at you. Anyway, tell me your life. You're writing every day you're productive you're pregnant. Your skin's Dewey, your hair's thick. Keep going. No, just kidding. I have in writing every day. So remember, I was like I'll get to this later a little bit more. When we talk about our intentions, but I had been wanting to get on a writing schedule because he wrote a book. I mean, you sold about I sold a book. Right, right and commit just explain real quick. I don't know if we explain this in Las episode when you sell a book in this situation. Yes, you're selling you've written part of it to show what the idea what the general vibe would be. But you haven't like we're just kind of shooting around the term, I sold a book. But what does it actually mean Dory? So in this case, it meant that I sent editor my agent sent editors I think we sent in four essays. And then like a letter about what the rest of the collection was going to be like and why I wanted to write it. And then I had phone calls with the editors who wanted to buy it. And yes, so now I have to write the rest of the book caught him. Thank you for clarifying. You're welcome in fiction. You usually have to write the whole book before you, sell it. But in nonfiction, there tends to be people people tend to write it like a proposal. Yes. That's what I did. So instead of writing on a specific schedule, I have just given myself the mandate to write five hundred words a day. Which can feel like a lot and it also can feel like a little yes. But I found that he doesn't manageable amount. For me. I'm able to get it done. I've been able to get it done. So far. Do you have a doing the same time? Every now, okay, which I thought might be a problem. But I'm I'm actually finding that. I like that better. But I can just kind of like fit it in when I feel like fitting it in. And I know I need to get it done. Have you done it yet today? No, okay. But the day is still young the day is young. I think I know when I'm going to do it, right? And yeah. And it's been good just feels much more manageable that way able to just like I think what we've been talking about. Just getting something done. Putting proverbial pen to paper is important because then I can go back in at it. And I I like editing, and I'm good at editing. And so just like getting everything out is the hardest part. For me. And so that's what I'm trying to do. I also made a Spotify playlist for labor and delivery. What are you gonna what are you aspiring to give birth to? Well, it's like an eight hour long places. Labor can be day. Labor can be long, and I've been listening to it just to kind of like make sure that I like the song shirt. Nothing could be worse than having contractions to a song. You are like, oh, no. This was a stake. It's very calming. It's very heavy on songs that were like big on mix my summer camp mixed tale. Wow. Crosby stills. Nash dude is Sweden. Judy blue eyes on it. I love that song. You know, there's like, Tom petty Fleetwood MAC cleverly classic rock, but then there's also more contemporary stuff. Nothing too high energy who's like the most unexpected artists. You've put on this playlist. Oh, goodness. I would have to up doors opening computer? But you know, I figured it's never too early to make your labor and delivery playlist. No because you don't know where you're going to go into lake that is true. So I don't know it just oh indigo. Curls on how. Well, your your blazered mix. It truly is camp in the early nineties. Yes. I mean, I also have some Motown some Marvin Gaye I have a let's see Miranda Lambert brandy Carlisle, Natalie merchant Destiny's Child, great, Whitney, Houston, Cyndi Lauper, the Gogos. This is such an interesting vibe for labor and delivery is it I love it. Yeah. It's cool. Errol crow understa, Cleo letters to Cleo, Sarah. Smell like a nice feminist bent to play, you know, just try to. Just trying to put on also was I was like I'm going to put on songs that I like and not care about like what Matt might wanna hear what you know what? I mean, like your doctor or nurse was like that'll merchant wanna hear this Natalie merchant's song right now, he's has forward. Yes. So that was fun and. I've also been so I've been watching something on Netflix. I've never heard of this. I'm very into and I'm very sad. Because I'm on the last episode was only two seasons. I've been watching steal. What is St. SEL? It is an Israeli show about an ultra orthodox family in Jerusalem. And it's just like a family drama. But it's funny. How did you? Discover it. I feel like I'd seen someone like mentioned it offhand. And then I don't know. It's just like on Netflix. And I think it came up as like new on Netflix. Is it all in Hebrew? It is there's subtitles you understand Hebrew, though. I ju can listen well enough that I can watch it without subtitles for some reason our TV in the bedroom. Like when I put it on the subway the subtitles weren't working like door, you better give your Hebron. It was like meeting I can watch this. And then I was like, no I can't. But it's so good. It's just it's it's really really well done. So I recommend it. Do you have a show lined up because I know the feeling of like when you that last episode has done in. You're like what? Now when you so sad, you have something kind of at the ready. I have been wanting to watch Penn fifteen he'll get ready. I do need to finish Russian doll. Okay. Those are two that I need to do. So. Yeah. Both of those trying to think if there's anything else that I've been hankering Jordi sex education, kind of get on I loved sex education. I really enjoyed that some next after penis pen fifteen whatever we want to call him. Yeah. So yeah. So that's that's what I'm sounds like you're if you're in you're kind of in the lake pub culture nesting phase, you make your playlist. You're watching shows you're kind of like hunkering down and just enjoying. What else do, you know? What else I got this week that I haven't used yet? But I purchased it. I've bought a book light, you told me you very excitedly. Did you did you whip it out when I was at your house? I think it arrived when you were at my house. I was like, Ooh, I think this is my book, we're so great. You're like, I just realized there's so many books. I wanna read that aren't on my kindle true. So and I was like, but I like to read in bed. And I don't like to have the full light on. And then sometimes when I wake up in the middle of the night. I'm not going to turn the light on. Oh, you can't awake mad up. So we'll also could come in handy. If you're when you do have your child, if you're up with the baby if you whether you're nursing or bottle feeding or whoever you are feeding your baby you're going to be up throughout the night. Yeah. And I spent a lot of time just like scrolling on the internet, but you could actually like read books during that time read books. I could read something that just got sent to me in advance copy of a book oboe that I'm very excited to read comes out March twenty six and is it about a character who rhymes with flip flops? Sure is that's right. You guys there's a new maisy dogs but coming out at the end of March. I just like drilled on myself. That's how excited you are so excited. I can't wait to read it. Yeah. Just very there's so much happening in the Macy Dobbs world so much yet. There's there's two maisy Dobbs books. Coming out one is like the next in the series. I'm on the other is like a like a journal type thing called what would maisy do. I'm so happy for you. It's really really special big for you. That's big. Thank you before. We take a break though. We have an update we have something we need to mention this would be a correctional correction, and I think correction clarification clarification correction corner, I think is what they say and my favorite murder. I don't want to hijack another pert podcast term. But we do need to say that we were wrong g mail. You might have heard one of our many rants about g mail folders. And how they just aren't to our liking we received numerous messages from people who have a way better understanding of Djamil than we do, which is that g mail does have folders. So here's just an Email that we got this is one of many messages in regards to your comments that Gino does not have folders that is not actually true. You can in fact. Drag things from your inbox into your list of labels, displayed on the side of your inbox. And they will move there and disappear from your inbox. You can also click on the message or open it and then select move to which is the image of a folder with an arrow on it. Google still calls them labels, not folders, but they function as both you can label things in your inbox and have it remained there. And also move emails to folders as someone mentioned in an Email to in today's episode. This is from earlier this month, you can even have sub labels, for example, file all my e receipts this way with individual labels for various stores under a larger shopping label, which can I just say is very organized you that. No, I've never even which is so great because I just end up like searching for like anthropology, totally. Anyway, this person was very sweet. And they said if I knew how to make a little video demonstrating, I would do so, but I'm not that computer savvy. I hope this info helps though it does help. Thank you. And you know, it's funny like the day after we like had ranted about not being able. To move things to folders, I was in our g mail account. And I was like kind of filing things away. And I clicked I just did the move to an Email disappeared. And I was like, oh, we're wrong. Like, I saw it happen. And I was like oh my God. You're so wrong. Fortunately, no one died. It wasn't. You're saying like it wasn't a big deal that we were wrong about it cracked. No. But I do love like we were really worked. We were. But you know, what? Live and learn thank you culpa. Thank you, everyone who educated us on how to do, gene L. And if you want to provide us with more tips, we're into melts Chapas, Hugh knows Abbas on the genes. Don't do that. What called g mail James? I think it's kind of cute Zappa step us. All right. Let's take a little be right back. Tis episode is brought to you by pretty litter. Kate have you ever walked into a friend's home in? We're suddenly imbargo did a door overwhelmed, shall we say by the smell of cat urine? Yes. I'm sorry. To eagerly interrupt you. 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She's also the star of the Facebook watch sitcom, loosely exactly Nicole, and you can see her thirty minute stand up special on Netflix is comedians of the world and listen to her discuss dating sex and her always changing Tinder profile on her very hilarious podcast. Why won't you date me? Which is so good. Thank you. And so wonderfully awkward sometimes. Yeah. The earlier episodes right interview, the dudes I've hooked up with get a little awkward yet. Because we don't normally go back to the people we've ever even dated much less just had like a random hook up with. And then be like, hey, why didn't why weren't you into that? And why didn't worry era Puta? Arup unit. Is it a ha- you've been doing that podcast for a year? Yes. And I've run out of people to agree to do who looked up like hook up with some more people. I hope it now I'm like non comedians. I'm like are you just looking up with me to get on the podcast, right? Which is an insane thought. But I mean, people are crazy people are crazy. So is it something that you would recommend for somebody like in their regular life? Who's not doing a podcast going back in and checking in with some because we always wonder like, hey, why didn't that work out? Or what what did we have? And you would very openly get to the bottom of it with people. I think it's helpful like I had someone tell me someone I hooked up with in my like early twenties. They were like you were emotionally like a baby you were not emotionally mature enough to be in a relationship. And I was like that is fully correct. Yeah. And it was nice to be like, oh you recognize that. And that's why we didn't date, but I think now as a thirty two or thirty three year old woman. I think I wanna be in a relationship. We're both mature enough to have a like a debrief closing conversation. Be like this. Is why didn't work no hard feelings toodle. Oo by by as we used to call it in the marketing business a post mortem, you would after a big event you'll meet and discuss like how you screwed up and what you were going to do better next time. I think that's good for relationships has then you can take it. And you know, apply whatever you want to the next one. Have you had that conversation with a partner yet that happened at a relationship? No. But one one day. I'll have a nice relationship, it will break up and have a lovely conversation about it. I've never been in a full-fledged relationship, which is the point of your podcast, right? I'm trying. And I've been dating real hard, it's exhausting, and I hate it. It is like aiding is exhausted. Yeah. We've talked about that a bit on proper thirty five where it's like a full I met my husband on Tinder. Yes. I did years ago. We met in two thousand fourteen. Yeah. I think I missed the golden age of actually meeting a person on tender is. Yeah. I mean, I haven't been on a few years. Yeah. That's what I've is not gonna. I mean, look it wasn't great back. Then I because I went out with I counted I went out with thirty five people before I met my husband. I don't know if I've been out with thirty five people that is a lot of it was a lot of fucking people. What is the timeframe it was about a year? Okay. And it was really really dedicate. Yeah. I put in the time like it was kind of intense, and I would go in spurts with for like three or four weeks going on a ton of dates on. It'd be like this is so exhausting. I wanna die. And I would go for a few weeks and new take myself off the apps and go cold Turkey, you date multiple people at once. That's but not for like extended periods of time. Like, I might go on like three if I got on like three dates with someone I would still go on like a first date with someone else. But how many people at once you juggling? I wasn't. I was never sleeping with more than one person at one L. Okay. Okay. For I guess in in in some way, like that was like a Lun in my head. An arbitrary line. I admit, but. How many people have you juggled, Nicole once the most five, and it was the most exhausting, and I really hated it that it was confuse it. Yeah. They'd be like we I'm going out with this person went in. I have a planner I read everything down. But you know, I don't write everything down, and then I missed aids. And then I'd be like, I'm so sorry. And then I'd be flying somewhere. Then flying back. It was awful. And I hated it. And now I'm back down to zero. Which is are you comfortable being at zero right now is that where you kind of want to be are you pulling back and just dating yourself? I'm trying to do things that bring me joy. And right now that's poll dancing. I genuinely love it. It's not everyone's like bly field weird being sexy. And like, you should see the women in the class that nobody sexy our teachers like fit and beautiful, and she's sexy, but all of us are like just little monsters. Let me showing no I actually went to high school with a woman I hadn't seen her for like twenty years, and we had a little high school reunion here in LA, and she she was like this cute little preppy girl in school, and she became a pole dancing instructor. And I know it's a very like one. It's super epic super hard. And I'm winded winded at our warm up. It is the warm the warm of is a yoga based warm up where you do like hand and wrist isolation's, and your twirling your rescuing this is stupid, but by like minute to your like Marissa gonna fall on. And yet it's like a lot of stretching and moving your body, and then some teachers do flora work, so then you're just like rolling around. And you're like, this hurts my hips. How did you get into it? My friend Gilly has a show called getting gross with Gilliat UCB. Luckily, isn't guilty. The best don't get the best. You gotta meet her. They'd love to this show is fucking bonkers. And the best way he does her monologue Pantelis and underwear list I've seen Gillies vagina more times than I've seen my own. Wow. Yeah. She and she commits, and she commits fully, and she tells very good jokes. And like that's not the joke. I love her. But she did a segment where it was like doing things we've never done before. So group of us went to poll dancing class and the teacher was fine. And I was like by one like master this. I wanna like learn how to actually do a full rotation. So then I asked to Shiro's like would you go to Poland's in class? It was like a year later, and she was like sure then we went and then after class I was like I want to do this every day. We went and bought shoes. Who so you have like the sexy heeled boots? I have shoes real big boots that aren't that sick? But I'm afraid to wear them. Have you warn them to the class? So these are like a nice he'll like a super high heel is I think is standard stripping healer dancing. He'll is six inches. She's. So it's like a four inch heel. But it is a little scary ankle breaker. Yes. So that's why I'm afraid to and that's why I bought boots because I feel like boots are a little bit more sturdy, but I'm just terrified to wear them. And how often do you go? I try to go once a week. And what is it about the experience is joyful for you? There's mirrors everywhere. So you can watch yourself do a spin. So it is a tangible thing you can see where like I like weightlifting as well, but that's not super tangible. You're just like our lifting things, but this is like you move your whole body. And then you're like sore, and you understand why each muscle is sore because the move you did you were like working this muscle. Yeah. It's just it's not empowering, but it's just like your body can do so much, and we don't do anything with our bodies, really like some people run some people weightlift some people dance. But like pull dancing is just so interesting. I've never moved my body. Like that also be satisfying to see the progress you're making. Oh, yeah. Like my first class. I couldn't do a Firemen's been which is the easiest one. But our that's like such upper body strength. No, it's more. Oh, geez. And when you're not climbing, you're descending. So you don't need to pull yourself up. You're just you put your hand up, and then you just slowly descend or fast descent, if you walk into your spin and everyone in my class has different body types, which is nice because I've been to like Zimba classes where everyone's like very thin knows all the moves. And I'm like that. I'm the fat lady in the back like dice step too far the wrong direction. This is like just different sized people at different skill levels. I don't know. I don't know. I really just like it one thing that you've talked about on your podcast, which I listen to pretty regularly. It's very funny is starting therapy, which you've done this past year. I love them. I really liked talking to someone who doesn't have an investment in my life. But cares about my life. If that makes sense. Yes. Like, yeah. Like, Mary cares about me for the hour, we're together. And then I'm sure she thinks about me a couple minutes before I walk in. But for the rest of the her life. She's living her life. I like it because your friends can only handle so much of your problem. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of the time. I will talk about something for a full month before I'm like oh. Okay. I only see what Mary was saying. And not saying because she does like me to discover things on my own and I'm slow as fuck. But I love her and I was having issues with like performing Soleil. I would be doing an hour long set. And then in the middle get really confused and be like, I don't know what's next and same thing was happening in like sketches. I was like, I know and it was easier in sketches because I was responding to somebody. But like when I was by myself, I was like who am I responding to? And then just through talking Mary was like, I think you might have ADD or like I brought it. I was like I think I have ADD, and she was like, I also think you have ADD, but you don't seem to be affected by it. So I didn't talk about it with you. And I was like, okay. So she was like you should go. See a psychiatrist went and saw this woman. I talked for like, maybe fifteen minutes. She went it's severe. And I was like oh. Yes. I got put on a I could up my dosage, it would probably be helpful. But I like the low dosage of five ants. It also helps with binge eating which is also another issue. So it's been very nice to have a tool and at first I was like, I don't want to take medication. Yeah. And I think that stems from black culture where black people are like gear, a strong, independent woman. You don't need therapy. Like, I told my uncle that. I was doing therapy in the nose on medication. And he was like you don't need it. And I was like, well, what do you think is wrong with me? He's a I don't know not that. I was like all right. All right. Okay. Do you think that's generational in the black canoes? Well, like have you experienced that with friends? I most black friends. I've spoken to are in therapy. But their family isn't. Yeah. Interesting. And I guess it just stems down I marry explained it my therapist. Explain it in a way where she was like, it is generational. And it's. Like, it's from slavery. Like, you're told to just grin and bear. It you just deal with it. You just roll with the punches, and that's just how it's been passed down. And I buy into that. I think we all black people in America, hold a lot of trauma from slavery. Which is something. I never realized until I spoke to this. Nice. Whoa. Quite lady. It was like if you think about it like the trauma is being passed down. What they saw overseers doing is what they would do to like real their children in. And that gets brought. Yeah, it's it's a whole very interesting thing, and you're just carrying that with you. Wild and also white people hold trauma to from people doing bad stuff. And then you kind of it's we're all little fucked up monsters who should be in therapy. A we are don't worry. We're heavily Medicated and therapy over here. I think medications great. It's weird though that hesitation because I have I had definitely felt I'm on back now. And I was like I don't need it. If I just cut back on my caffeine and just get back into my yoga practice. I'll get this under control. It was like, oh, no. I don't have power over this. This is my chemical fuck and makeup and a lot of people have chemical inbounds lake. Why would we ever think that we're just meant to be here to just be on our own and just live? It's like they made medication for reason. Get so how have you noticed? Your medication changing, you it is so much easier to perform. That's fascinating state that you were all of the sudden in the middle of doing standup forgetting because stand up seems like a hard ass nightmare. Anyway. I mean, remember it is hard because you remember an hour of material that you wrote cell. She's and you got to remember the setups in the punch lines. And sometimes I would switch the two, and I always had my settlers next to me as like a little crush because I was like what if I lost my now, I can go on stage without a set list, and then also insert new jokes. And remember what I did the show before. Like there was one time in Chicago. I was doing three shows in a row the second show almost every joke. I started with have you heard this book? Because like would not remember what I said in the first show and in the second show, and it was a living Knight. And I was like this is bad. So like, it's been helpful that way, it's also been super helpful to learn lines because I do procrastinate, but I'll like clean, which is great Belva clean room. Yeah. I'll be like well, I've nothing else to do. And you have to learn those lines just learn them. And then I'll do it. It's nice. I really it's a very useful tool for me. I must feel really freeing to to now know this about yourself. Yes. In a lot of things I did in my childhood makes them where I was just like, so the SAT's me, and my mother got into a huge fight about the PSAT's. She was like did you sign up for them knows? Like, no, mama. I'm going to be an actress, I don't need schooling. And she's like what you have to take the SAT's, and I was like whatever, and they put me in his big room with a window. And I was sitting there, and I was like. Wow, life is. Going on out. Talking to do. Oh, that's a nice dog like ten minutes left. And I was. I hadn't even written my name. So then I just like quickly filled in everything and was like, I don't I don't know how I don't know. And I scored very poorly. And then like elementary school when we would do math. I remember this one teacher, MS gizine, sheeting Hughes me of cheating because I would guess the answer and then worked backwards, and she was like there's no way you could have done that. And I was like, I don't know. That's just how my brain works and still it works that way. Like, I can guess I love going to storm being like what's the sale price? And then figuring it out and then working backwards. It'd be like, ooh, I'm right. Oh, wow. Yeah. Like a wizard. Harry Potter here. We better like, I'll tell you. And she look at me of cheating, and then had a conference with my mother and made me take different test. But it was like the same like, multiplication, whatever. And I did the same thing. And my mom was like there's no way she could have been cheating. She was sitting outside while we were talking. And then this gives you is just kind of mean to me if the rest of the year, and then that day on I was like, I hate math. Yeah. Just destroy your self esteem for I mean, I don't want to speak for you. But I have similar experiences and my self esteem like I'll go to therapy. My fourth grade teacher, and it stays with you just a dolt told me, I was bad, and I wasn't doing anything wrong. And then I just talked a lot in school. I would rush through my home where my schoolwork to help the unfortunate children who were stupid. In my brain. Like, mommy's other kids are so dumb. I have to help them out. Let me teach. Maybe like you have to do your own work. I already did. Yeah. As an awful because I just and ADD and little girls manifests differently than boys like girls, become busy, buddies, busy bodies. And then Spacey, I would go inbetween spacing out and being over like a overactive. And I think they were just like, she's just annoying. And now, I'm ill. Diagnosed thing, but an ADD or anything related never came up when you were a kid bird, which is crazy. It never ever ever came up. But it like it, select, depression, and anxiety and eighty everything not everything a lot of things are very connected. So I started taking my medication. And then because I would have a lot of stuff to do. I don't know how to get any of this done. I'll take a nap. So then I became a Napper. I would sleep and sleep and sleep and be like, wow. This is mounting up. Go to sleep again. It might be okay. But the medication like it doesn't keep me awake. But like it's just like a little thing in the back, my brain. That's like say, yeah. Maybe do what you need to do. So for me. I like it some people don't like it. But you just have to figure out what works for you. 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And then if no one complements me, I don't care. I feel pretty and I feel good your lashes on your stand up special or amazing. Thank you. They looked really good. Those are more lashes. Ten dollars a pair, which is a little expensive Beaumont I washed them, and I keep for too long. Wow. Well, they look gray. Still still don't understand how lashes work when are you mean? I mean, I just have my own. I've never had or they the magnetic kind of the glue a use a non late. Tech's glue because I'm allergic to lay time I are not allergic. But it hurts my eyes. Yeah. You just glue the strip on and you go about your life can the therapeutic feeling of doing makeup it like it's it sounds very like you're using your hands you kind of get zone. How did you learn to contour and to actually like do a face YouTube? Oh, God, I got better at watching YouTube tutorials hoop and then trial and error. And was there a particular person or people on YouTube that you would recommend? Nope. Just a bunch of drag queens, black queens. I would look at at first I was looking at white people. And I was like this doesn't apply to make those people don't have mosquitoes tone. That is silly. I started watching black drag queens, and then black YouTubers, and I truly learned how to do it because I would get two jobs and make up artists would not have a complete kit. They make me look gray. They wouldn't have my color. So then I started doing my base. I would just do my foundation and conceal her. And then let them do the rest. And then I was like I don't like the way he did. So then I would just come full faced. And then maybe like, oh, this is so nice. Okay. All right. And then I was like, okay. I can look the way I want to look. But now it's now it's more therapeutic. I've been luckier with things I've booked where people have a full kit and know, how to do my face 'cause you look great on TV, Jane, q for my specially Demeo Minka. Oh, you did. Because you knew exactly how you wanted to look. Well, we didn't have a makeup test anytime. There's no makeup tests for something. I will just do it. Because if you don't wanna look at my face before I don't trust you to do it on the day because all faces are different. Like do you watch drag race? Yes. So rupaul got a new makeup artist raven and I took raven about a season and a half to get her face. Right. That's about the time. It takes to get a face and get it. Right. And get it exactly. How you want? It. It takes a while. Because it's a learning curve you're applying makeup to somebody else. And that's hard in itself. And then to have it look spectacular every time. That's crazy. But I did it because there was no test. And then I got there and the woman literally had no colors darker than me. She was like I'm going to contour you. And I was like with what nothing is darker than me. And that's what a contour is as happy that. I did it myself. I also let this man do my hair, and I hate how my hair looks in the promo. So I just did it for the special. He didn't even have a a curling iron because I was taping with three other men. So the woman just gets left out. I did watch the special that was after yours and he comes out like dress like a teen. Like, you look up like I got to be hard when you. And a lot of people in their specials. Didn't dress up to meet this is special. Yeah, I've wanted this for a very long time. And it took me a very long time to figure out my outfit. And I wanted to look very pretty did. Thank you love us, Kurt hew. I found that in a in a resale shop it was like twenty dollars, and it was cut to the perfect wave like someone cut it. And I was like this was cut for me. Someone did this for me. It looked to me hang you dialed your whole self for your special to. Yes, anytime for the most part anytime, you see me on television. As me, I'm I've done it all is that true for Nelson. Also, no, that's not true that I have a very lovely wardrobe woman named Dr Shawn and then a beautiful makeup, lady, racial. We've had a few of our listeners contact us about like how to talk to a partner about their sexual desires or even. I'm just like wanting to have an orgasm. And I'm curious you talk very openly about sex or sexuality, you're dating. Do. You have advice for people who are not comfortable having those conversations and even aren't just even comfortable like exploring their own bodies. I think it starts with exploring your own body. I I think if you know how to make yourself come. Then it's easier to explain it to somebody else. And I can't imagine having silent sex sense insane to me, and I know people do it. But I think communication even during sex is good like if someone is doing something, you don't like your well within your means to say, hey, I don't like that. Please stop that. Can you do this instead? And then maybe four play you can say I like when you do this. Can you do that tonight? I don't know how to help someone get comfortable and like get there. Other than maybe like fake until you make it like watch a little bit of horn. Even though porn is not real. It's not real the way. Women react is not real. But sometimes they they talk. So maybe take a little bit from there and talk to your partner. I think you should always be talking. You have this joke in your at the beginning of your stand up special. Will you verse volley preface your whole special? I tell a lot of fat jokes told to not do that. And you did it. But I did it. I didn't specifically because I've never seen anyone till thirteen minutes of fat jokes before. What how do people because one of the jokes that you tell which I really loved which I also made me just reflect on my own behavior was when you're talking about how people would do not at Kwait fat will. Yes, you to fall and a lot of female comics have this joke. And then we all put our a different spin on it. But I would start doing. So we started doing fat material. It was a whole journey because I would do it. No one would laugh, and then people will be like, Nicole. You're not fat, you're beautiful. And I was like, but I am fat. Like, I'm standing in front of you. I know him. Yeah. Yeah. I know I can't shop at every store. I know you know, what what what is this? What is this little weird denial? Yeah. Minute was like being on being beautiful. They're not mutually exclusive. And that was like a thing in and I had to tell audiences that up top. And then for them to not feel bad for me because it's also weird to feel bad for somebody on stage because it's like didn't leave my house. I didn't put makeup on to get on a stage to have you feel bad for me. I don't feel bad for me. I wouldn't get on a stage if I felt bad for me, that's an insane thing. And then it's like. It was just very confusing to me and then. Yeah. It was just it's just weird that I have to tell people that. I literally tell people I'm like this. You're doing this because you think that is ugly. And it's like, whoa fat. There's tons of beautiful fat people. And then fat fetish. Just something you have. It's not something you are. Yeah. You know is just very interesting trying to work out that material and the only fat like Monique would talk about being fat and being like empowered. And I feel like that's a like a stereotype of black women like like fat black women are like they don't need nothing. Whatever they're confident they're strong. There's a comic. Now who tells a joke, but it's like you can't insult a fat black lady. I'm like, you truly you. Absolutely can. And then we go home, and we cry where people to. So I wanted to come at it as a way almost like how the world views fat people. So that's where I was trying to do jokes before we wrap up a have to ask is it overwhelming being on nailed it a show beloved by all in which there's a catchphrase people can just come up to you and say all the time. Yes. Louis small children like mine. Are madly obsessed with you. It's very weird to have children like me that you get that a lot right like people's kids are obsessed with you and show. We'll want me to host their nailed it theme parties, which blows my mind because I ask you to do that. Now. One hundred percent Joe for you. Because I know you, thanks. Okay. I'll call you next week people. I don't know. I'm not coming to host your nail that even have to pay me an astronomical you'd have to pay me. At least my episode agree. A TV phoning. That's I mean, isn't that much? But like, but it's gonna have to pay me. It is just so weird that kids like like my little cousins, it's weird because my family knows me. And then my little cousins vaguely knew me because I see them once a year and this year my little cousin London was starstruck. She couldn't believe. London. You know, me, and she was like, we know each other. Yes. What did we do? And then she made me sign a piece of. So you're gonna see me next year. You're going to see me so many more times. So like that's been weird the little boy I used to nanny just called me the other day I have to call him back. But he was like no Cole. I do you want me to play it. Yes. It's the cutest thing in the whole wide world. It's essentially like the kids in his class. Can't believe I used to babysit him. I'm Hyun to say, I love you. And then I think nail it. Awesome. And all my friends love it. And then they're just like what the cool byrant your babysitters. From when you were a kid in and I told them. Yes. And they're like, are you serious crazy? That's all. Boom because this is my he was my best friend. Because I didn't have money for therapy. And he had a really big head and his body. Just kind of grew a little slower. He's like he was super tall. Like by the time. He was like to but I would put him in this little Donut pillow and talk at him. Why doesn't this man? Love me. He'd be like. And then like, I he would like say funny things, and I would laugh, and then he'd be like, oh, that's funny. He was he's great. He's I haven't seen him in years and one time he dragged an Oprah magazine into his room and went col-. No. The he's the best way love him so much. So I guess I do like, listen, just well behaved, hugs. God. I'll try Nicole. This has been the best. Yes. Thank you so much literally the best. Thank you. Thank you for coming on the show. If people want to search for you in a non creepy way, where can they find you on my Instagram? It's at Nicole buyer. My Twitter is at Nicole buyer. I have a Facebook pages. I very rarely update you can search for it. And I won't tell you what it is. And then my website is Nicole buyer was taken dot com. Because Nicole buyer was taken. Awesome. Thank you. Gotta think they. Thank you. It's okay. How did finding a recipe that you're excited to try go for you? Well, I've picked the recipe, and I'm gonna make it tonight. Do you know what I've decided to do what life favorite food like one of my favorite favorite meals. Eggplant parmigiana who I love Clint parm, but I've never made it. Oh, I've just eaten my grandma's or my mom's or just like eating it at a restaurant. I never actually made eggplant parmesan. And weirdly in the New York Times recipe. Weekly recipe Email they had a link to a quick a crunchy eggplant parmesan recipe. It was Kismet. I kind of felt like it was so I'm gonna make it tonight, yum. So I'll be reporting back next week. But I'm really excited. I'll share a link to the recipe of sleep also cookbook that I've mentioned before treachery ah, which is by Patricia wells, also has an eggplant parmigiana being I was gonna make that one. And then I saw the New York Times one. And I was like well, just try this. I'm going to try both. I kinda had this whole eight I'm gonna perfect eggplant parmesan s. I can't wait to. Come over and eat it, and nobody in my family likes eggplant. So I will have it ultimately health or to share with you. Thank you. Let's it's not full. It is my pleasure which like that to be a meal. I bring you during like God early baby days does I plant parmesan Matt's talion. That's right, man. I of course, he likes yard naked through the family. So yeah. So that's where I'm Dory. We you've already nailed your intention. Yeah. I mean, I discussed it that that my schedule has just turned into a daily word count goal. You're getting it done you're chipping away and done. I do think to like the practice of writing everyday can be applied to anything like putting your laundry away. Hopefully, you could do just a little bit of day. Yes. I mean, these are things that I know to be true that trouble executing in my real life. Totally like, so there's it's not like there's a deadline by which like I need to get all my laundry put away. Whereas there is a deadline for my book. That's true. And also, no one is paying you to. Get your laundry away wreck to you are being paid to write a book. Indeed. But you know, we all should put our laundry, wait, some point that's true laundry. Hot topic on this podcast. Right. Very hot. So what's on the intention calendar for you this week? So this week. I was just I was sitting at my desk this morning, and I was like, oh, there's a lot of papers just papers on my desk. And we just need. We don't know when we're going to be able to combine her offices because this whole window situation that I've referred to previously. I texted my landlord this morning. And I was like, hey any update and he was like, no I'll check in. So I don't know when that's gonna happen. But I would like to get everything prepared. And so that's that needs to start with getting the papers and all the clutter in my office, work Anais d-, and how do you have steps laid out with how you're going to do that. Well, I have a filing cabinet. Okay. And I have a shredder great. So those are two key part. They either going one pile or the other centrally right? So yeah. That's that's kind of it. You'll get through that. I hope so thank you. How about you? I, you know, I'm going to try to start reading the intuitive eating book. Okay. Many listeners have mentioned it as a book they have enjoyed and recommended it to me when I get into my like, I'm having. My body image issues at my food is shoes and all that fun stuff for the benefit of our listeners. What is the title of this book, so Dory? The book is the official title is intuitive eating a revolution. A program that works by Evelyn Trimboli T R I B, O, L E and Elise rush. I'm pronouncing their names horribly wrong. I'm sure and it says make peace with food free yourself from chronic dieting, forever rediscover, the pleasures of eating those are three things. I'm really working hard to do. Well, I look forward to hearing more. So I figured when I was in my like negative world brain spiral. I was like what are some steps that can do to maybe just like get out of this. And I did some like positive thinking about myself, I reach out to my therapist. And then I was like why don't I make this my intention for the week? Great love it. So I will let you know. How goes hopefully, I read a page great. That brings us to the end. Oh, boy does it ever. But I just want to remind everyone south by south west Saturday, March ninth two PM for a badge holders badge holders. 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Mini-Ep 47: Pardon My French

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Mini-Ep 47: Pardon My French

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That's baked by Melissa dot com slash fiber. Thirty-five promo code over thirty five now, please note the last day for standard shipping nationally for Valentine's Day is February twelfth at two pm eastern. And here's the show. Hello. Welcome to forever. Thirty-five a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Doria freer. I am Kate Spencer. We're not experts. Nope. Just two friends who like to talk about serums and welcome to another Minneapolis owed where we take your emails and voicemails and answer your questions to the best of our ability of our bills and adore. If you want to reach us. I don't know why directed that. It you Dorie if you wanted calling in. This is throw your voice, look if you would like to leave us a voicemail, the numbers, seventy one five nine one zero three nine zero and our E mail is forever. Thirty five podcast at g mail dot com. Nicely done K. I was nervous, but it all worked out. So let's hear a voicemail. All right. I'll we shall we kick things off like voicemail. Let's kick a door. Here. We go hiking Doria the cast. And I was just listening to the most recent episode where somebody wrote in about fired I had to call right away. I was in this same situation couple of months ago. And it really shook me I loved my job. I was shocked to fired and my job was so much of my entity. So it was really hard for me. And I totally empathize. The solicitor. It's so hard not to have your self confidence. Shaken in a situation like this. And just now coming out the other side, I have a new job, and it was really great to realize how off my work life. Balance was I was working all the time and being fired kinda force me to reevaluate. That anyway, my for the list would be to schedule things during your week. I think it's really easy to be at home on the couch and your pajamas job searching, and it was helpful for me to force myself out go for a hike, meet up with friends who may be working with them for lunch or coffee or something just to force yourself to get out of the house. That's really helpful in there listener is going to be okay. And it's so hard to see that now. But it really is. Anyway, thank you so much left podcast. Tonight's. That's such good advice. Very good advice. And I do think it is really tricky. When so much of our identity is tied us in her ch- could be anything for me for many years. It was my job. There was a really great article in the New York Times in the last couple of days. A by the time areas it will be like a week old. Just talking about how millennials in particular are just so wrapped up in their jobs. I've read this article and are being encouraged through different various different outlive him. I don't know what the word is. I'm looking for organizations. Yes. You're the world to really identify as the work that they do. Yes. And that, you know, working hard is seen as such virtue and working eighty hours a week is it's just it's all right? Lex yourself. Word yourself worth not. That your self worth is tied up in your job. And kind of coupled with the conversation we had recently with an Helen Peterson about burn out. I think this is a really real thing, and it's really hard to strike that work life balance, especially when you're working at a place where this over work is encouraged and enabled. I I really when I left my job at VH one. That was such a big part of who. I was that. I went through a long period of like who what am I now? Yeah, I was identified so strongly through what I was doing. And I loved what I was doing that. It felt like a deep loss, even though it was my choice to transition out of that. It was still very weird and took me a while to kind of be okay with the fact that that wasn't a part of my identity anymore. Like, I didn't feel like I had anything to offer. Yeah. Oh, totally totally. It's hard. It's very hard. And I do think I loved the advice that that caller gave about scheduling. Yes. Hood it in the cow put it in the cow just put hike in the countless, even if it's take a walk or just setting up times to see people, especially if you were working in an environment where you had a lot of human interaction that can be really hard to to have it anymore. Anyway. Thank you. We love advice. We to join if Neil here, we sure do that as a person who recently went to Paris. That would be you. I feel like you might have something to offer shall we? Give it a read. Sure, I am forty two haven't been to Paris in sixteen years in that time. I have had three kids. My twin daughters have been begging to go to Paris since they started kindergarten. We made them save their allowance and plan how much a trip would cost in seven years later. They finally. Have enough for their portion of the trip. So he pulled the trigger and are going with my inlaws total of ten of us. This listener clarifies that they're not actually making their kids pay for the trip. It was just an exercise to teach them about saving. But I say make your kids pay for that trip. Anyway, on that note listener, they continue I know it won't be a relaxing trip, and it won't be like travel before kids. So my expectations are low for what I will actually get to do. But if I can buy some skin care products that are only available. There are available with better ingredients there or are cheaper to buy their than they would be in the US. I will be so happy, which did I get is P fifty a French product are there drugstore items? I should look for. This was also asks for a low key. But fun place to get a facial, which listener, I don't know the answer to that. But I'm including here in case, somebody in Paris is listening and wants to help you out or I would suggest checking our Facebook group or asking or Facebook groups, we do have we do have somebody there who might be able to help you as well. So I don't have a fun, but Lok? He place to get a facial recommendation. I finally got our audience might be able to weigh out. There have been a million threads about Paris. Both in the main Facebook group, and in the travel Facebook group, so go there that is where I would suggest starting. But p fifty is a French product is made by Bill logic ratio Raisch whose headquarters is in Paris. And they visited did visit I paid paid a visit to the skin-care mecca that is Bela g grey shares and they have facials there. Ooh. With Bela decreased reshare products, you do have to make an appointment in advance. If you don't want to do the whole facial. They also have like a skin analysis that they'll do I did not make an appointment, and I was not able to do this. But I just got some product recommendations while I was there. So I would do that. Even if you don't end up doing any treatments there. It's fun to just visit take themselves. Very seriously thorough wearing lab coats. You know, it's it's they'll speak French, and they all speak French surprise. It's crazy, but the other place that like everyone goes to is city pharma, which is this big pharmacy in Paris where they sell all kinds of delightful, French drugstore products, and French drugstore products are like not American drugs for products. Like, I think they're generally a little bit of a step above look if you've ever been to say Bigalow in New York City like a like a fancy drugstore. That's more the vibe in the in these Parisian drugstores. So I would I would check out city pharma. Kate. I know you have been a longtime. Devante of the Knicks. Knicks our favorite thing. Dishes when we say things on our wonderful French accents about a few years ago. Dory. I went what I started to kind of get more curious about skincare, basically, just started googling how to be a French person. And then imitating what I thought a French person would be and I bought a ton of French drugstore products. I mean as one show so the nut anew X e were of course, I can only speak for myself. But I'm confident saying everything wrong. I love that body oil. It's a dry oil. It's smells fantastic. It comes in a little bottle. It's not something you use a ton of I find just because I'm trying to save the oils much as I can. Yeah. Another thing I love which you can get stateside is the bio Dermot missile our water. I now I'm able to just by that here. But you know, what if you want to buy it in France, go for it? Another thing that I bought when I was going through this phase is something I found like a goop list of French pharmacy. Buys because of course. And I bought something called homeo- plas- mean, which is like a dry skin balm that I think in something I had read it was on a few of these like French pharma lists. It was something that it fashion shows makeup artists put on models lips. And as a person who loves in a lot of fashion show. As a model myself. I really I could relate. No, this is more as a person with dry lips. Oh, yeah. Okay. Also that so I bought that. And really liked it chlorine, dry shampoo. Yes. That's a fav-. That's a fav-. It's a powder, which I didn't realize the first time I bought it. But that's a classic French faith. But I I would say listener after reading your Email might my gut reaction was to be like go with whatever moves you. Yeah. I do have one other specific recommendation, though, what is it to buy cow delete products? There are they more they're cheaper love it. And they have a lot of they've lot of boutiques. I think I went to one in the Marais, and they just had so many products, and it it was cheap much cheaper during Cal arrondissements. Isn't it in? I believe the cut Liam did you take French with high school? We we was. Shoop Lou show Blee beaucoup different. I'm trying to say. Yep. Three remembers better than I do. But I. Well, this is turning into showing off. But yeah, just by like that sounds fun to stick to browse. And. Yeah. Things up the other place. I would say you must go even if you don't buy anything. There is the bone marshek. What's that? It's a department store that is so lovely and fancy and they have like they have a whole department of like paper products like markers and pencils and beautiful clothes if a beauty floor, and then they also have a food hall. That's amazing. So you must go there. I believe that is in the seventh. Can you say that in French Setia idiom right around e small are only small with? Well, listen when we take this show on the road. 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We sure did that made me chuckle. Would you like to read it? I do I wondered if you could shed some light on your laundry garment care routines. I fluctuate between carefully hanging or laying flat to dry versus shoving everything in the dryer. And hoping nothing shrinks too much would love to hear how you each tackle laundry and caring for your clothing, and I chuckled because I am the person shows everything in the dryer and hopes it doesn't shrink and then it shrinks, I don't wash. I don't put my underwear in a bag and wash it that way. I don't I don't do anything. I am the worst here. Not the worst the worst. But I don't have like any sort of laundry care habits. Okay. In fact, I've just recently have started kind of remembering to read the tags before I wash because I a few years ago. I bought all these made well tank tops. And I made the mistake of assuming they were just like, I don't know cotton. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. That I washed them all and they were like viscous. Oh, yes. And they shrank and they strength to like crap tops. Yeah. Which isn't my look I mean, it could be maybe in two thousand nineteen made four dig those backout. So do you have good laundry habits have sort of basic laundry habits? I don't separate me neither lights and darks. No way. I just wash everything on cold water wash or the delicate cycle. So that's one thing. I do. I do some handwashing of stuff that I know is delicate is truly delicate or, you know, hand wash only and what would be two questions. What's an example of something that's truly delicate? And when you ha I don't even really know how to hand wash. Do you fill the sink fill the sink? I put an capful of Woolite. Okay. I do have some of that you let it you. You really have to let it soak for few minutes, and then you kind of rinse it out. And then you kind of. The best way to describe it. Like, you don't you don't like ring, you don't ring it out, you kind of like just. Removed smooth all the water out not all the water out. But you try to get some excess water out, and then I just hang it up or lay it flat, depending on the instructions is laying flat. A thing that you're supposed to be doing. Sometimes sometimes on the instructions, it'll say lifelock out to dry, the only thing that I have adopted that I do really enjoy is that I bought a drying rack, and I dry clothes outside. Yeah. That's nice because we do live in a wonderful climate for and I have friends who have a clue who have closed lines. And they just they don't even use dryer yet that was that's been something. But like I wanna start doing that. I just haven't done. So I will take things out that are not supposed to be put in the dryer. Like if stuff is able to be washed in the washing machine, but it's not supposed to be put in the dryer. I'll take it out and hang it up, Oregon if it says leaflet to dry will lay it flat I do wash my bras in a laundry bag in the washing machine. And I hang them up to dry don't should ten. Don't put them in the dryer. I don't even wash my bras ever. I not really. Okay. I wish my underwear. All right. I don't think I've ever really watched my bras. Okay. Okay. I've got a lot of work in this department. So you've and I mean, they might just you if I googled lingerie bag with the right stuff. Come up. Yeah. Okay. So. Yeah. Now, I'm also washing. My reusable bamboo cotton rounds. But I think the most kind of I don't know I should be. I should be air dry. My clothes. That's number one. But another thing that I do to try to reduce my washing. Clothes footprint is just not watch things that often. So I will put out put underwear in the laundry basket because like I'm not really wearing underwear kind of gross. But like all we're a t shirt a few times before I wash it totally. I'll just I'll give it a good sniff. And if those pits sniff those pits, and if it smells, okay, like it's going back in the drawer. I think that's our biggest piece of advice here with how we tackle on this. We sniff the pit also like that that makes your clothes last longer. Not washing them. Yes, I have gotten less. My kids will wear something for like two hours. And then try to put it in the laundry, like do know you're going to wear that for a week. Yeah. I mean, even workout clothes unless they're really, stinky. They're just wet not smelly interest. I won't wash them. I'll just leave them out to dry. Oh, okay. Yeah. Great. So, and you know, I'm more sensitive to smells now that I'm pregnant so a so you're what you're saying is you're sniffing is really on point. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, I don't think it smells. It doesn't smell right, right? I'm gonna have you come into my bedroom. Nip out the laundry on my floor. I mean, even sucks I will ris wear I do too. I also sniff those you'd be too I sniff them to feel the smells like feet. I don't wanna wear these again, though. But sometimes I just wore these like in the house with my slippers on like easily to be wash. Are you like wet out for an hour? And then you came home you don't need to wash those. Save them safe them. It doesn't matter. Well, glad we solved that. I am to you. And I are just in our homes sniffing glue for we like actually do smell like me. Because we can't tell because we're into the smell exactly I will say since I have stopped using any per sprint the pit sniff. It's a little it's different type. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, that's okay with that. It's just life. It is just life. Well, we do have a voice mail that I would like to play. Okay. Great. I key in Dari and forever thirty five. My name is Allie. And I'm from Saint Paul Minnesota with negative nine degrees outside so and thinking of ways to stay inside. And I just turned twenty five and I thought maybe I would call you guys an ask what you were doing when you turn twenty five. Okay. Loves the podcast by. Happy birthday birthday staying warm up there. I hope you're eating soup. I thought you were going to name check like a Minnesotan. No, I've never even been to Minnesota. I went for just a weekend. And it was lovely. And they noted I do get very on brand for the state. It was April my flight got canceled. But I did eat a juicy Lucy, which is a hamburger with cheese inside the meat. Oh, that's brilliant. It was so good. That's so smart. Yeah. Well, why don't we have that here? Because we now get on the smartest people in say. Apparently, what were you doing at twenty five when I was twenty five I was in grad school, no z are no in Philadelphia. I was I was he's righty. You've got to degrees. Is that? Right. I do. I'm a masters in history and a master's in journalism. Why not why not a lot of useless degree a master's in history. Yeah. I was in a PHD program. Holy that I left early because I was like what am I doing? I don't I don't wanna PHD's. But when I turned twenty five I was still in the program. I didn't leave till the following year. And were you in a relationship at twenty five? I was I believe at that time. I was dating. A guy who was. A few years older than one of the few older gentlemen that I've ever dated. He was five years older. He was divorced. And he was a union organizer. Oh boy. Yeah. Something very sexy about is gonna say that sounds sexy. Yeah. A divorced thirty year old union organiz. Yeah. During has a really wistful. Look, I think he's divorced again. I'm just say anybody who lives near him get. No. He was really he was he was great. We just we kind of just like drifted apart in. He was traveling. And remember who's traveling a lot for work because he was organizing grad students. And he was spending the week like at another school far away until we didn't see each other that much and it just got it just got hard. And so we eventually ended up breaking up. But I think when I turn twenty five wait. I'm lying. I was not dating him. When I turned twenty five I dated him later that year when I was twenty cows. I feel like we're talking about the whole year of twenty five. Okay. Yeah. I did. I dated him later in the year at that time. I might have still been dating the optician the for the ex Mormon optician, I dated a former Mormon. Oh, you did you we've never talked about this. So we'll have to talk about this awful mind with not an optician. Who is a rocker? Oh, also, he didn't really date. Oh, loosely loose, Leslie said the term date. Anyway, another story, I think I was hating grad school. But I feel like I was having a lot of fun. It was very fun to be in Philly like my mid twenties because the city was really cheap. There are a lot of young people around. I went out all the time. Good time. That sounds like a fun life. Yeah. It was a fun life. But I was also like, wait. What am I doing again? You know, it's kind of in the back of my head like I mean this grad program that I don't like or see a point to. But now, I'm in it, do I just finish it. And then I was like no like a year later. No, what were you doing Kate? Twenty five I was living in New York City. I was performing improv comedy very regularly at the upright citizens brigade theatre. I was dating. My now husband think we were living together actually where were you living in Chelsea in a studio apartment? That had truly the smallest bathroom you've ever been had like a quarter tub. Oh, God the work. Cockroaches would come out. My cat would sit there and wait for the tiniest. It was really an one time. I overflow that toilets and then left my apart. I didn't know I left my apartment and it poured water onto all the way to the first floor. No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, dear. Those were the times those were the, but I was also going through a lot of weird stuff which was like, I was working actually think I was being sexually harassed at my job. When I was twenty five Marie working. I was working for a company that I had kind of intended to be a day job. But it actually was filled with really wonderful people, and it was was fulfilling in a lot of ways. And then at some point a co worker started sexually harassing me. And that was really confusing. And didn't know how to deal with it. And I didn't I didn't really it was a small company, and I had felt too scared to go to our if that makes sense. So I quit and took an internship. Oh, and then was a temp. So I would temp at like the most doing the most bonkers thing. Yeah. Like fi I mean, the driest host shit. And this was like I didn't have an iphone till like secretly look like, you know, I was on craziest temp job. I just have this. I did a lot of temping as a receptionist at McKinsey McCann, Lincoln's McKinsey, which is like a brother work, there tense consulting firm. I mean, like I once handed out metro cards in front of port authority as some sort of rand gig. I've had a lot of weird jobs. Can I tell you about my youngest temp job was in Boston? It's like one of the summers of when I was in college. I temped for WG be h ooh and love WG eight and they had a division. I don't think it still exists, but they had a division at the time. I might have talked about this before were they provided close captioning for different shows who should clarify WG beaches, the PBS. Yes station of station affiliate whatever raider Boston in Boston. So they would like like TLC would send them a show to like close caption, for example. So they had me go. They had me captioning episodes of dragnet that sounds like kind of a fun town was just watch dragnet and close. He was also I worked the Fordham midnight Shitsu shit. So was like it was just it was it was just like this bizarre felt like a different sort of like an alternate universe. Yeah. Like, I just would show up at four PM put on headphones and watch dragnet. Translation, that's a weird job. It was fun. But also weird also weird like when every time I tempt because you're like a stranger going into family. Yeah. And everybody has routines. And then you're just kind of this random person who's there for the day. And you don't know why they need a temp or like, you know, it's just like always very weird mysterious, but I did start an internship at like twenty five I think, and I felt very weird about it. Because all the people I was working with and working for. We're like also my age intern. When I was twenty eight really, yes. Well, it's now I'm like that sounds so of course, be an internet whatever age you want. But at the time I felt this weird casher to like Martin. Figured out. Yes, I did feel behind, but I'm really grateful for that upper -tunities because it was I was writing and I got to and then then kind of kicked off my professional writing career. Did you know that you wanted to be a writer at the time? I remember I had always thought about being a writer, and I had applied to grad school in the nut gone. And yes, I knew that the my day job that I was doing was not what I wanted to be doing. And what was the what was the general area of your day job production of marketing and production? And then when the co worker started harassing me. I was like honestly was like it motivated me to leave even though I I wish I had handled that situation differently. But that's just a that's an offline story. But anyway, that did I left because of that. But honestly, you know, it it did work out 'cause I found an internship and found all these weird temp jobs. That's what I was doing at twenty five. So wherever you are twenty five is great. Yeah. Thirty five forty five fifty five be an intern at any age, totally might even get to, you know, make a movie out of it. Starring Robert deniro. So there you go. Well, daury. Yes. Now that we've relived those memories, I think we can wrap it up. I think so too. Thank you. Everybody for listening talk to you next week. I.

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Hail Seitan

FoodStuff

24:22 min | 2 years ago

Hail Seitan

"Today's episode is brought to you by splendid table this thanksgiving. Make sure that the splendid table podcast and radio show is your kitchen companion throughout November Francis lamb and the splendid table team will be covering all the bases from life-changing gravy techniques to drinking more and better. Champagne, we always approve of that to a soul food thanksgiving celebration with chef Carla hall and on Thanksgiving Day. Don't miss their annual Turkey, confidential. It's alive Colin show for a full two hours Francis. And it's liberty guests Dorie Greenspan summing Nosrat and Patty hitch will answer whatever questions you may have on the busiest cooking day of the year. You can listen and call in from splendid table dot org or wherever you listen to podcasts. Oh, hello. And welcome to save her. I'm and I'm Laurin Vogel bomb and today, we're talking about say Thanh. Yes. Satan, not say ten let Satan, no different thing. Very different probably not vegetarian that second one. I don't think. So. But you never know you never know. No, we're talking to you about Satan, which is flavored wheat gluten sometimes called a gluten gluten reproaching or wheat meet. It's tofurkey slices. Yes. Yes. But. Really, though is it. Okay. Satan is a protein product created using wheat? Gluten gluten is the primary protein wheat. It's stretchy and sort of Linke and the texture of Satan is well, it's a it's a lot like meat maybe more so than other meat alternatives. It has a sort of fibrous chew. That reminds me a lot of chicken, or at least a chicken nugget actual chicken and you make Satan by a first coaxing the gluten out of wheat flour. And then by encouraging that gluten to lock up just right to give you a nice chewy texture to get the gluten out you make a sort of dough of flour and water. And then soak a need it with a more water like a lot more water. Gluten is not water soluble. So it will stay put in your sort of dough. But the starches that make up the rest of wheat flour are totally water soluble so they will eventually wash out you're then left with gluten and okay glue. Eaten is made up of two types of protein molecules gluten and bleed ins, plus a smattering of a few other compounds like Sistine, which is an amino acid and all right under normal circumstances. Gluten is a sort of gel like suspension of this stuff, and maybe some molecules of water, but, but when you mess with it, both physically mixing or kneading, the gluten and also chemically changing it's ph by adding stuff like vinegar or baking soda, those Sistine will make the gluten molecules link up the gladdens are smaller, and we'll get trapped in these like cross linked matrices of gluten molecules like a, okay, imagine imagine you have a few strands of giant Christmas lights. Oh, I do like. Like like the bulbs are like the size of normal lamp bulbs. Okay. And these strands are just super tangled up don't know as they do. And for some reason you and all your wisdom decided store a bunch of biddy little like pinky sized globe ornaments in the same box as these strands of Christmas lights. And so when you take this mass of tangled lights out of the box, all of these little ornaments come with it trapped in the little like pockets made up by the twisted cords at my mom puts you up to this. Gets a lot of work taking down the decorations at the end of the year. Mom. No shame. No shame. Okay. Okay. Does this imagine that you can eat it? Oh, does that make better than I don't don't tangle them? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's sit-on. Cool. Guilt free. You can also make it at home. It is notoriously difficult to get the texture. Right. But yes, you can totally work your own gluten out of flour. Or by wheat, gluten often called vital wheat gluten in stores and use it to make your own Satan. You can also use vital week Luton to up your homemade bread game. Who I'm always looking up my homemade bread game. If we're talking about flavor, I actually don't have too much experience with Satan Satan. Yes, the former foreign movies but say ton. No, not really I do remember having a hearty meaty texture absorbed flavor. Really, well, it can mimic some of the flavors and properties of meat. So well that it makes some vegetarians or vegans suspicious that there might actually be meet in whatever vegetarian. Vegan dish ordered the head. Stay in it. Yeah. By itself week Luton is pretty bland. But say time is usually made with flavor additives to. Make it taste meaty common recipes recommend savory things like nutritional yeast Tamari and or sincere sauce and for talking about nutrition say Thanh has a good amount of protein. One outs comes in round twenty one grams of protein slow fat, low carb, but obviously not gluten free. If Sealy axe are gluten intolerance is something that you deal with. Yeah. And this this package of a really high protein with really low fat and low carb is something that some people find very desirable and numbers wise in two thousand twelve some research put the meat alternatives industry in the US of which Satan is a part of at five hundred thirty three million dollars. So it's making some money. Yeah. It's making some money. And if we look back at the history it features a cameo from someone I was not expecting that. We haven't talked about in a while in this show, but you're gonna have to wait to find out who it is until after this. Quick break for word from our sponsor. So I can't believe that. I'm about to say this but season one is over. Yeah. That's right season. One of committed finished, so many incredible episodes, so many great stories we fell in love. We had our hearts broken. I'm still in awe of all of the work that we did this season. And if you have it, listen, all the episodes. They're not going anywhere. No, no. They're not you could go back and binge the entire season right now if you wanted to and why not grab some wind. Grab a cupcake binge all of season one or maybe you already did binge season. One. Why not go back and listen near favorites? Send them to a friend, send them to your mom. Mom's actually loved the show. I get so many comments from my mom's friends. It's amazing now we're not going to far away. In fact, all I'm doing over the holidays is working on season two have committed. We'll be back in early twenty nineteen you won't have to miss us for too long because we're gearing up for an amazing season two. Thanks for listening. Thanks for being a part of the committed family. I can't wait to bring you the next season. So listen subscribe and review committed on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you for centuries. Chinese and Japanese vegetarian Buddhist monks have eaten Satan or not exactly a ton. But who Romanized either h u or f you, but yeah, who is not exactly what we think of when we think of Satan today, but is also a product made from wheat gluten that has been processed to form chewy protein products. It's usually a little list fibrous than say, Tom more like the texture of seafood than chicken or sort of spongier like a sort of springy cake. Yeah. There isn't too much when it comes to history recorded history when it comes to say ton. But I do know that some people ignore this whole thing in say that this isn't say Thanh when they're talking about the history of Satan. Yeah. Depends, you know, mysteries of history. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. It's been a southeast Asian diet staple since sixth century, see e. In Japan, for instance, where for centuries up until the nineteenth century eating four legged animals was forbidden this resulted from the arrival of Buddhism circa, sixth century, CE compounding, existing Shinto beliefs against killing are eating animals because of that Japan and also India which had a similar story. The idea of mock meat wasn't really think for a good while because there wasn't really a reference point. Yeah. There were pockets of cultures that ate meat anyway in Japan, but it was not widespread. Like new emperors had a long standing tradition of as as they rose to power reopeing that edict against eating mammals writes, the same wasn't true in China. Not for the common person at any rate. A Buddhist monks on the mainland and increase wouldn't eat animals, either poet, Iran may included a recipe for a Satan textured to be similar to goose in the book recipes from the sway garden journey to the way. West book out of the Ming dynasty comes with several wheat gluten mentions. One involves a demon trying to trick a monk into eating human flesh and brains that resembled wheat gluten tricky demon. Oh that sounds like it could be a future fantasy food. Oh journey to the west is full of. It's the legend that we got so many other stories out of like palsy and Yuki and all of these weird pro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Revisit that for sure. Yeah. Who or you know, whatever precursor to Saito near you wanna talk about did feature pretty widely in Chinese art. There's a poem from the eleventh century, CE book dream pool essays that said steel is to iron as gluten is to flower. It's only after thoroughly washing the DOE that gluten is revealed. Wow. Kinda wanna go think about that for. But I suppose we should continue in eighteen ninety five vegetarian restaurant number one opened in New York. Thanks to the New York City vegetarian society vegetarian restaurant number one. I love how on the nose that. Is we have a restaurant similar to that in Atlanta? It was similarly named but the opening night menu, included, fruit and grim bread. Yes. That graham. But that's not the came you. I'm talking about although related George Ohsawa came up with him say ton in nineteen sixty one he was also the founder of the macrobiotic diet and indeed states on wasn't that common in cookbooks until the nineteen seventies that word anyway. And like, I said earlier all veterans history. We we've been talking about some folks dispute it saying that Satan got its start with the macrobiotic diet in the nineteen sixties. I think say Thanh is based very heavily on who like to the point where you can really call it. I mean that you can you can count the history of sort of like a progression. Yeah. Absolutely. It's just an off shoot. Yeah. I agree when Mormon settlers were making their way to Utah in the nineteenth century, they needed an inexpensive protein source and say Thanh was their answer. Oh, and also, you know, who was a huge part of this movement. One John Harvey Kellogg Kellogg that Kellogg as part of his whole health sanitarium thing that we've talked about it in a few episodes. He was looking for a successful meat alternative for the vegetarians in his Faulk. He and his brother will Keith through some weird circumstance came upon the conclusion that try wheat flaked super well, and you add milk while a toasted weed flakes now Kellogg and his brother will Keith out a huge blowout. When it came to the profitability of the cereal of many leading to will spinning out the Kellogg. We all know that company and John Harvey Kellogg starting the battle creek food company. This company's product line was primarily mock meats, the most popular of which was known as protas. It was a combination of soy peanuts. And wheat gluten sort of the first commercial approximation of Satan, some Seventh Day Adventists fans of. Got the idea for mock meats, more closely, resembling, hotdogs and hamburgers. And adding more seasoning for flavor, including one Dr George Harding, a relative of award g hurting. Oh, yeah. We're going to all kinds of surprising people in this episode from this came the Worthington foods company and their two canned imitation meat products in nineteen forty nine. If you're wondering because we were meatless wieners still available. These days be looking for a throwback and soil on steaks. Although legitimately made me a good. It's a good pun. And we talked about these meatless wieners and our hotdogs episode. These were maybe the first veggie dogs on the market, eventually worthington's got bought out by miles laboratories, and from this came a brand you've probably heard of MorningStar farms. Yup. That one they were the first that we're really able to commercialize the mock meats market in the US like the chick with a K Patty that was them MorningStar went through several companies before once again falling under Kellogg's ownership. Satan's success largely depended on the public at large accepting vegetarianism, which for awhile was a tough sell in the United States, especially for middle America in the nineteen twenties would have America's first chain restaurants. It was called child's attempted to transition to a full vegetarian menu at an affordable price at the behest of owner and vegetarian. William Childs folks didn't go for it though. Sales plummeted and child was removed from his leadership position even progressive. New York City was iffy on the idea of vegetarianism during World War Two inter cranks in nineteen sixty one in all vegetarian restaurant that went on to attract famous fans like Linda McCartney and Princess, Diana. And I wanted to put in here at the end that these days Satine is pretty widely available in supermarkets. But if you're looking to expand from say Tom into who territory, the fresh stuff that's mixed with glutinous rice in Japanese called NAMA FU is is hard to find in the west, but you can probably find a cooked and dried who called a Yawkey who or yucky boo in whatever agent import market is in your area. I'll have to keep an eye out for that. This episode has inspired me to try try some more Satan. Yeah. Me too. I'm. Sort of I'm craving it right now. I've definitely had clear breath Japanese soup that has these little it almost looks like a like a little spongy cracker. And that's definitely this this like yucky who like tried and. Yeah. And I'm just like, oh, it's nice. It's soaks up. It's up. The broth that's a nice little texture difference in the soup. Yeah. Oh, man. I got a craving. I've I've said it before. And I'll say the end the temp episode to date is the one that has changed my diet the most because I eat Tampa all the time now, really. Wow. That's so cool. Yeah. Oh now, I want to I want to like pick your brain for recipes and stuff. My goodness. How do you like cooking it? I like a good simple stir fry with soy sauce and a little sesame oil. Oh, yeah. Sesame oil makes all the difference. Yeah. But now, I'm hoping maybe I'll have a similar revelation about Satan. But in the meantime, it is time for listen nerve male. That was good. That was on point there's hand gestures now way coordinated but it wasn't coordinated but it ended up working out. We're taking the straight to Broadway. It would be really off Broadway. But actually before we get to the listener mail. We have one more quick break for you for word from our sponsor. See thousand four in a tiny town. A young woman named Rebecca Gould was brutally murdered. Nearly fifteen years later killer is still on the loose. Suspects work everywhere. So we could have already talked to the killer. It's just really surreal walking around. I left Arkansas became an investigator. And now I'm coming back with my team to finally get Justice for beca. Yup. I'm Katherine towns, and this is Helen gone. Now available on apple podcasts. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you. And we are back with a letter from Jared. He wrote I heard you were looking for food poetry while not a poet myself. I wondered if you had heard of the poem address to a haggis by Scotland's most celebrated poet Robert burns as Scottish American. We celebrate burns his birthday each year on January twenty fifth. And traditionally there is always a Haggas as part of dinner. There are all sorts of rituals and whatnot. And the evening is generally spent with friends and family reading some of Burns's poetry, however, during the opening sequence of the feast burns night, her burns feast is what the event is traditionally called, and is celebrated as a national holiday in Scotland the presentation of the haggis before dinner is accompanied by a miniature parade from the kitchen to the dining area during which a variety of tunes is played by a bagpiper. All things nine is another poem written by burns. And then later set to the music, we all know and love. And the recitation of the poem addressed to a Haggas. It's a lot of fun. And since some of Burns's poetry can get a bit body. There's plenty of laughter. I've included a link to the poem below for your pleasure. It's written in the Scots style of English. But this one includes a translation if you haven't yet done an episode about Hagous, perhaps you'd like to consider it as of today, you can't get real high in the US because of laws regarding the consumption of sheep awful. So perhaps it'd be fun to research. I think so. Yeah, lovely. This the best kind of party a parade a bagpipe poetry readings posting. Yeah, I've never had real haggis. But I'm I'm into the idea. I had it once and I liked it. Yeah. Yeah. It was a you had to get over. At least. I did because I was pretty young at the time in relatively young. And I had to get over all of the the context is the Dino in the US we make a lot of jokes about it. Yeah. But it's just it's really just sausage stuff. Yeah. Yes. It was good. I believe you. But yeah, if we should post the poem somewhere, it is pretty it's pretty excellent. Oh, we'll have to do. We'll just have to do an episode on Haggas and do a dramatic reading. Oh, yes. So in. Brian wrote. Can you imagine manny's on Hawaii in pizza? Nope. No, I wouldn't want to either. But Nevertheless, I was witnessed a such a huge by shipmate some years ago. I was working aboard a traditional wooden hulled schooner where several crew lived in a rather dank foxhole that smelled of wet would see salt rope people end the more pleasant to me, at least odor of Danish. Pine tar I've never been seasick, but the smells of that boat. Plus the site of our boatswain slathering man as a top her slice of steaming. Hot Hawaiian pizza seeing melting into the ham and pineapple was enough to make me just Ted green. Don't get me wrong. I like mayo, but this is not an acceptable. Use for such a condiment even once-over overs is mayo. I am from Connecticut and still live there. But work on a tugboat down south where the Cajun crew has converted this Connecticut Yankee to dukes having been raised in the north. I had never heard of dukes helman's, and it's a busy. Approximation called miracle whip were I new, but as soon as I tried dukes on a cucumber sandwich. I was elated to find that it was less. Sweet. And pleasantly Tangy turns out these others were right about their preference for dukes. Unlike their preferred treatment of lobsters by boiling them with crawfish, seasoning or crab, boil blah. Oh, I love it. Who'd opinions or so. Yeah. Yeah. Neither endorses nor nor denies. Get cards. I yeah, I didn't include it. But at the beginning of this letter, Brian wrote don't show this to anti it'll make. Or something. And he's right. I got a little queasy man that description that's an intense condiment usage. Yeah. I've never witnessed such thing. And I have no desire to I don't approve of warm applications of mayo. Okay. I think it's I think it's basically a cold sandwich. Only condiment. Okay. Yeah. Florence food opinion. Yeah. I can I can see an alii. You gotta go case by case, generally. Yeah. Yeah. You've you've really got to step up the spices. Somehow if you're going to apply a mayo product to a warm sandwich or cetera. Yeah. It's all I'm saying, I'm sticking I'm sticking with that. We should really have a a book of your. I love this this kind of stuff. Keep track. Thanks to both of them for reading in if you'd like to write too as you can our E mail is Hello at saver, pot dot com. Where also and social media, you can find us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram all @, safer pod. We do hope to hear from you. Thank you so much to super producer Dylan facon. Thank you to you for listening. And we hope that lots more good things are coming your way. Hey, Matt I have yet to ride one of those birds scooters 'cause I hate those things that does not surprise me at all Joel. But you know, I've been getting Instagram adds to give me to become a Birger to join that gig economy. Oh, that's right. Just like Hoover folks are getting targeted to start side hustles to make an extra buck or even to try to make a career out of it. But should you? Do it not all side hustles or created equally? Exactly every week. We dive into practical money topics like this on a podcast. Listen to subscribe to our show on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcast. Just search for how to money.

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Episode 111: Soaking Up Energy with Beth Newell

Forever35

00:00 sec | 8 months ago

Episode 111: Soaking Up Energy with Beth Newell

"Hello and welcome to over thirty five podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer. I'm Doria free and we are not expert but we are two friends. He liked to talk about about serums. Welcome to the latest episode of our show. Are you deliberately talking like that kind of am? Okay I'm actually trying to calm myself down because I'm feeling a little bit hyper okay. So that's what I'm talking in this boy. Okay it's a little weird though right. It is an unsettling a little bit. You don't want to hear it for an hour I need and thank you Welcome if you have never been here. Thanks for thanks for common. Yeah thanks for joining us. We're GONNA be talking about all sorts of things but we do talk about products and we will be mentioning. Any we mentioned on our show is on our website for over thirty five PODCAST DOT com. We also have merchant our merchants gone through a little refresh. 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You can leave us a review on apple podcast. We love when you tell a friend we love when you mention US and social media we appreciate it all and you can follow us on social media an instrument for thirty five podcast and on twitter at forever thirty-five Hod. Sorry I'm so hyper. Today is quite all right. I had a cup of DECAF tea. Oh boy but I did have a lot of coffee this morning. Sagana exercised at seven little bit. Okay I've been up for hours already so like you know that you when you have that kind of like a week adrenaline. Yes do you. Tend to crash after that re o'clock or after we're done working today. I'm going to be kind of in the fetal position on the couch because yesterday I woke up at four thirty and by like one I was like I need to sleep and I couldn't. I ended up taking a nap at six thirty at night. Yes Oh no a late hour because I just I could not function matt myself to record our podcast and I was like I need to take a nap. How was it waking up from that nap because I find when you nap and then it gets dark and then you have to wake up and your body's like sleep is nearer? Yeah it's a real rate and I'll tell you Matt Did Not think that I would actually wake up. He was like I guess. We'll just record the podcast on Monday and I know wow. We're recording it. Look at your commitment to making a podcast so I mean it s me you are very committed. I am committed. Yeah ooh I'm sorry. Just the thought of sit like going down for a nap at six thirty at night. Yeah you do what you gotTa do. But it was definitely not ideal. You GotTa do what you gotTa do. Exactly how's it going? Well here's a question for you. Yes do you think my skin looks good right now. Yeah I do. Do you think looks like better than normal or the same not to put you on the spot judge my skin but do I have glow you but I think you always have a glow. I recently Tried a new product that we've mentioned listeners. Had written about and I like. Oh Yeah have to try that. I'll give it a go and then we'll try to things I did. I mask okay on Saturday night. Watching my new obsession love is blind same and that mask tightened and made me glow doesn't normally happen and I was like what was your mass. Okay hold on brought it here. It's five Yuna Divine. All seasons bio cellulose mass. Wow where did you purchase this? I didn't purchase it. My friend gave it to me so I didn't buy it okay and I was just like well. I'll give this a go. Sure why not and then it was like I looked in the mirror. It was also like nine o'clock at night and I was in pajamas watching. Tv On my phone. It seemed like a good mask like going out because my skin looked height Like just like in a good way. Yes but then Dorie I use this yesterday. This tart. Knockout tingling treat then which many listeners wrote into us about as a duke for P. Fifty. Oh yes and I was like mom it just gives us a go and then I woke up and my yesterday after I did it. My skin looked so rate and smooth that I was almost like am I. Am I playing mind games with myself and I used it again today. Which probably isn't the best idea. Because it's because it's chemical so oh whoops it's ten. It's ten percent acid complex a blend of salicylic and lactic acids. Oh Yeah and then I lathered my doctor al-Qaeda's oil on after so I'm just giving it like. I don't know when you use new skin care and you're like am I glowing or is this just my brain wanting my face to glory so wear. My Skin looks sneer. Scare does look really good of and I don't know if it's the stuff. Yeah I don't know anyway just. Fyi How often are you really supposed to use that? Well I normally only use like my Pixie Glow. Contact me as a chemical expedient once a week right right right the recommendation of Courtney Chissano yes facialists to the stars stars being us so I would imagine it's a once a week thing and I grabbed just because I was like taking around my little like been of skincare stuff. The other two products so a lot of people recommended this as a dupe for illogic. Reshare P fifteen. Which have you started using again? I have not. Are you over it. I'm not over okay. I just I feel like I've been giving my skin a little bit of a break from chemical experience. Not for any like real reason. I still occasionally use this. Totta Harper resurfacing serum But I do like that. Actually kind of reminds me of good genes. Oh interesting honest. But I haven't been using a ton of them and yeah I mean I. There was a time when I was using using the P fifty. Like almost every when we started this. Podcast you're an everyday P fifty user. Yeah and that. That quickly proved excessive. It was to exfoliating. Yes but I don't know maybe I'll go back to it I did. I did really swear by it. Yeah like you were a die. Hard advocate and. I did not find that it really did much. And then I purchase this other stuff by Yuna Which is another kind of exfoliating. It's vinegar smelling. I think actually does have vinegar in it but I didn't have. I didn't actually really see any results with that. And that's why after using this tar knockout tinkling treatment. Stuff and I said yeah after one use. It is a little sticky going on out. Doesn't have all the ingredients on this. Probably just on the box live to give it a googles. Yeah I I was Kinda like well. Hello Hello you okay. So it has a lot of ages. Yes that's why like I should probably only be using it once a week. Especially CONSIDERING AMERICA. You are slathering on sunscreen right yes. I SLAPPED HER ON CENSORING EVERY ACT. Because when you say you've got two sons anyway so that so. I didn't mean to put you on the spot of like look at my face and judge it but I was genuinely curious if I'm just imagining things if something's happening. I think you're looking great. I post a question on our shared documents. Yes and what's funny? Is that you answered in the shared. Yes so here's the question I posed. How do you take care of your skin and hair after really sweaty workouts? I am like talking getting drenched. I tend to just white myself down with wipes and get on my way but that feels like not enough question. Mark like a mini up with justice. Yeah that's true. Why not so kate. Yes as I wrote in our in our document. This was my whole conundrum when I used to work out all the time because I felt like I couldn't just give myself a quick wipe down and beyond my merry way. I was like way too sweaty. My hair looked way too sweaty and greasy and it was just like no. I had to shower like I always had to shower after my workout now when I stopped washing my hair every day I did start not always washing my hair after I worked out but I also feel like I'm not working out as intensely as I used to. But would you give it a rinse at least not use? Shampoo Times. I would do that sometimes. I would just use dry shampoo. But what do you do for the rest of your body? Just wipe it down with wipes? Yeah you can like give yourself a quick rinse. Just wash cloths other some. Do you have access to a shower. I do it's more just honestly I have gotten into this really nice rhythm of not showering that much which I feel like more than anything saves me time totally so what I will often do. If I'm at the gym and I don't WanNa wash my hair as I bring a shower cap to the gym and I just like I rinse off my body and that takes two minutes interesting and then you just dry shampoo your hair. Yeah Right. That's an interesting aspect. I think the Rinsing Office most important. Because I don't mind myself being sweaty for the rest of the day. It was more like last week. I exercised very intensely. And then I think you and I were meeting or I was meeting with another person. Who's going to be in close proximity to my body and I was like they don't need to smell like my scent of my sweat cooling against skills. I think it's just nice to like like rinse off that activity. Uh-huh that's all also probably a better point now. Yeah so just a quick rinse. You're saying. Quick rents wonder over. Think it then. Yeah I mean I feel like this was actually more of an issue when I was doing like more like boutique fitness classes where they might not have showers at the location and I had to be somewhere like not. I wasn't able to go home which was always an issue in New York. Oh yeah like the only places that had showers were like the big. Jim's yeah I would do like a very sweaty yoga class and then just be like well. Yeah I'm to meet people for drinks exactly okay. I'm so yeah okay thanks for the I just. It's just a new world for me to like be drenched from workouts. Yes and I'm really enjoying that aspect of it but it's like Oh have to wash myself a lot more. Yeah and how do I balance like not wanting to over shampoo my hair shower cap shower cap okay? You actually gave me one awhile. I did I big fan of shower caps. Do you have do you. Do you like okay so I have. I have a quote fancy shower cap called the shower cap multiple multiple. H is it was. I feel like it was something that was like advertise on instagram. A lot like a year or two ago and they come in like all these like cool fancy patterns are pretty. They're very pretty. They're like forty dollars. Cash TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST. I actually like the like five dollar one. I got at many so better than my forty dollars shower cap. I don't like that the shower caps don't have elastic in the front. I couldn't handle that. Don't love it I don't like I don't love how it fits on my head but I'm like why spend so much freaking money on the shower cap. I guess I'm just GONNA use it. I've only ever just like when I've been in a hotel room taken the shower cap and brought it home with me and then just use that for years. I love having like a real shower. Can I will say I. I do think it's a better experience and using one of the little like thin plastic ones. Okay I can. I can get out the one that I gave you. I have it. I know exactly. You should use it right pink okay. I'm on it. Thank you for your advice. You are so welcome. I to have a little conundrum go on. I would like to pose to you on this story and Kate. Talk to each other. Yes episode. I as you know. I love wearing an eye mask to sleep. An eye mask me. Oh like the thing that goes over. Your Eyes Okay. Yes yes a mask for your eyes for some reason. I thought you meant like like a skin-care yes no but I do feel like it makes me break out along. My hairline at my temples like where the elastic kind of hits my head. And I'm ninety nine percent sure that this is what is causing these these breakouts because when I stopped using the I'm ask for a few days. They like stop appearing to have one right now. Do I pick them? Okay just looking at your face trying to see it. But I don't see any kind of buried like in my hair okay. But they're kind of uncomfortable and I don't love it and also as we've discussed when I have I wanNA pick them. I don't WanNa like go down that road so I'm wondering if this is just how it is. What kind of mask are you wearing and wearing one? The someone who met us at the South by South West. I know that one they gave it to a gave it to us. And it's it's really nice and I wash ed like it's not it's not dirty but and I don't think it's because I've used other imus in the same thing happened right so it's just having. I think it's just that contact. Yeah is for some reason causing me to break out and I'm I think it I think it might just be. This is the way my my skin works. No I'm ask is going to be is going to really work now regards. I'm wondering what people if other people have had this issue and they have found something that works for them. I would love to hear what it is now. Are you willing to sacrifice and live the no? I'm asking life or do you. Is it really crucial to your sleep to have totally crucial like last night? I slept without an IM ask. I mean I will sleep. I've been sleeping without an MS for the last few days. Because I don't want to break out anymore but I'll go on and off like all I won't sleep with it for a few days and then everything will serve subside and then I'll go back and where it again for days after a few days on notice that zits coming back. Wow that's so fascinating I don't wear I'm ask consistently although I do really want to buy a fancy one The loonier brand. It's very substantial. Yeah which I feel like would make me break out. Even I feel like you need something that just has the little string. But that's also what you're wearing the actual string I think is what's causing the issue. Here's a question. I don't know enough about masks literally only just started using them for sleeping last year. Do they make like Tinier ones? Well what I do think they make. They make ones without the band. But just sort of like mold to your face thinking of and this is going to beat me and also reference a horrible choice I made in my past. I'm thinking of tanning goggles. Yeah something that totally. Which if you didn't grow up going tanning beds in the late nineties. I will tell you used to get a little tiny para goggles that you put over your eyes and then you'd stand tanning bed and it was not a good choice that I am proud. It's on a choice. I'm proud of but I did occasionally do it. Story scrolling on her phone. I'm as far. They all look big. They all look quite big. There's a two hundred sixty five dollars Saatchi home. I'm the one for you. Two hundred sixty five dollars. That's so the only thing that I'm wondering is what if I did something where it's like the the the strap is almost thicker like. I wonder if that would help. Maybe it's the rubbing drug I think it's the rubbing of the strap and I wonder if because the strap is so small and narrow that it like rubs more and so I wonder if a thicker strap would actually be better because like the the the friction would be like more distributed. Yeah I'm wondering what's causing is at the is it the contact and the friction or is it just having your skin covered for nine or eight or seven or four hours a night but then when you think I would be breaking out all my face. Yeah so I'm not I'm not breaking out on my face where the actual mask is. I'm only breaking out at the point of contact. Seems like a real history. We need the skin care active. Imagine if we wrote a cozy mystery about solving what's causing your is it the I don't know the answer to that because it's so confusing to me what causes breakout again. Correlation might not be causation. Your favorite Mike to say to say I believe I have isolated the issue like I believe it is an eye mask shoot but maybe it isn't. Maybe it's something else that I'm not even thinking of that. Just coincidentally coincides with when I wear an eye mask had a good answer for you. Real mystery by a bunch you could buy. I like two or three two I did. I have a couple that I have rotated because I have the same thought Kate. That is exactly what a detective do for Detective. Dory and the mask escapade. I wonder I mean my advice. Also have you changed products recently? No you're still just squally bio-sensing up So it's not it's not I don't even I don't put moisturizer in my hair like I don't see a hairline. I think it's it's a hairline big and I think the only thing is my I ask. We'll say hairlines. It's are so fun to pick out. They are extra satisfy them. Yeah I know which I know is not what you want to be doing so if any listeners have any advice or thoughts I would love to hear them but I also want to hear about your nail jury. Oh okay so I am on a nail journey because as mentioned before I was really kind of addicted to powder to your immune support is part of the reason. Not only or my nails very short. They're very thin. Maper paper thin and so the thing I liked about powder. Dip AS OPPOSED TO GEL or regular manicures. They add like this hard layer on your nails for the first time in my life. My nails don't feeling bendy all that being said the removal and the wearing of them really kind of messed my nails and they were very fragile and dry and just cracking. How long were you leaving the powder dip on like every two or three weeks? I would get it change. And then finally I the One person doing my Medicare. Let's give yourself give you a break. And that was about two months ago and my nails have had a very hard time bouncing back like they haven't really been rowing. They've been really just breaking. And as I've mentioned on this podcast before I have had very low self esteem about my fingernails. Since I was a child this is like the ongoing quest to have. The details of my dreams has been since. I was seven. I'm also nail biter nail chewier like I remember doing Lee press nails like elementary school. Because I just wanted like long deal I mean hands are great but my nails grow long. Yeah it's hard just being like well. That's just what it is an notably acrylics over and over again but that also just destroys your nails so I've kind of trying to take the path of acceptance unlike learning to love how my hands and my nails look. Jay Really is so S- like not silly but it's such a small thing but we're all insecure over the smallest thing real big to us so what I have been doing so I was at Ulta with my child The same time I bought those press on nails which I did really like wearing and I bought myself They had very specific offers. And what are those things called? Filers mail files files. Four like very thin now so interesting. Often I get file. And it's just like it's like sandpaper nail just like flies away. Yeah you need a very fine nail fund. So I bought them. I've been using those to shape and buff my nails and I even have like ridges and dips on in my nail bed and all the stuff and my nails have felt from the buffing. Really good And I've been shaping them in a way that feels kind of Nice and then I have gone back to taking collagen powder every day. Just no longer choice for you as a vegetarian. Correct but it is a choice for me as a non vegetarian and I have really found that that is the only thing that makes my nails start to feel hard and strong and I can. I can notice it instantly. Wow Yeah so. I've been trying to be really consistent about that. I take vital proteins. Collagen powder that I got in a big Tub at my favorite store. You know the one Cosco and that does seem to help and like numerous people have given me mixed thoughts on Collagen. Yeah I think I haven't listened to it but I think Jane. Marie has an episode on it. Oh and the news of the training season of the dream. Yeah I mean it might be total BS. I don't know but I have actually really noticed. A correlation now the person who was zapping. My Bikini line was like don't do Collagen because it makes everything grow so it'll make your nail stronger but like also it's GonNa make your pubis stronger. Maybe I want strong pup- stream I don't judge. Yeah but but you know what I also would like to pronounce to be like strong. So they aren't always get caught like a thread and they rip. Yeah that's really frustrating. So that's been my journey so far and I think I have to have to fully walk away from the lake hard gels. Yeah all that stuff because it ultimately even though it looks so gorgeous in the moment and I can get all these fun extensions ultimately just kind of wrecks what's underneath which is my true nail so you need to love my true nail as much as I love fake nails vignal so much but you know I think you can save them for special occasions. I think you're right and tell them just doing them a couple times. A year is going to be fine. Definitely GonNA powder when I go on a family vacation and may vary but then maybe I'll take a step back so that's been my journey. Anyway thank you for listening and hearing me out of course any nail experts out there. We've been called out on our lack of nail expertise to visually so if anyone wants to weigh in Holler at me. Love to know your thoughts. But I've done like everything to strengthen my nails nail teats. Oh yes my mom and I like all through high school. I've done like horse. The stuff that like put goes I kind of feel like like things that promised to thicken your hair. The stuff is like for the most part. It's kind of like the hand you're dealt genetics. Genetic like there's not going to be a ton you can do just like there's not a ton I can do to have like a long mane of beautiful thick hair like it's just not going to happen. Do like how this is. All vaguely horse related. No worries along main. I mean yes you're right and I do think you know like the mini episode that we recently did talking about gray hair. Part of there is. There is a lot of self acceptance involved. Hopefully that is can be very hard anyway. Should we take a short break okay? Okay let's do our guest today. Is Beth Newell Beth? Welcome to old forever. Thirty five thank you. Thanks for having me. Were thrilled to have you a we start every interview with the bio. So we're going to read this and if we leave anything out let us know. Bethnal is the CO founder and editor of the Satirical Women's magazine reduc dress. She Co authored the new book. There's no manual. An honest inquiry wisdom about having a baby with Jackie Rees and the book how to win at Feminism and her work has been featured in the onion mic Sweeney's and the New Yorker. She hosts the PODCAST. We knows parenting along with her husband. Peter mcnerney and Beth was named by rolling stone as one of the fifty funniest people right now and one Time Magazine's twenty three people who are changing. What's funny right now? And perhaps funny. She gave birth to her daughter in the back. Seat of a Honda fit not a large car. A lot of room to really spread out all your birthing angles. Oh no but my. My pillow is in the car with me and she had me on my facing out the back of the car if that makes sense and it worked out pretty well so was she on the other side to catch the baby. She was in the back seat with me while Peter was driving the car. So I Didn't pull over. He did hello but Basically what happened was I. I must have been fully dilated without realizing it when we got in the car. Walking out to the car must have shimmied. My daughters had much lower and so when we were driving I told the Dula that wanted to push and she was. She was Austrian woman who is like do not push and then without trying to push. I had a contraction that just shot my daughter's head out of my body so yes I was like the head is out and then everyone just had to deal with it in the moment and she made it. And you're and you made it and Honda hooked you up with a new car my right. I remember this from twitter years ago. Yes a dealership in Brooklyn one hundred dealership gave us a free three year lease on a car which was great. Basically if you're going to give birth safely and can do it in a car Honda who had a Honda we. We're Honda driver. Crv will the SIERRAS. What the car we got and it was the car I had been telling my husband we needed to get for months and Right yeah I think I manifested it because our car. We brought it our car in for inspection that week and they said it was undrivable and not safe to drive so basically. We lost our car the week I gave birth and then I gave birth in my sister's Honda fit. Oh my God. Yeah Wow oh my God. That's so intense. Well we're really really happy to have you here. Obviously you're the right person to CO author a book that includes honest and gory wisdom about having a baby which we will talk about but could we kick things off by having you share a self care practice. Whatever that means to you does not need to be anything fancy or it could be but how do you find ways to take care of yourself especially as a person who is writing books running an internet company parenting being who'll yeah My biggest self-care thing I think is taking salt bats. I really Like to just get in the bathroom. Soak everything out of my body And I see it as kind of like a spiritual practice. 'cause as dumb as it sounds identify as an an path. I feel like I soak up a lot of energy throughout the day and so I get in the salt bath and I feel like it kind of takes that back out of me so we take us on the sturdy. You isn't there you're using EPSOM salt. I do a mixture of salt and sea salt and that is what my psychic recommended to me. I like sea salt. Lake the kind you just by the grocery store. It can't be that I've started ordering it in bulk on line so it's the kind of get. I think now like Dead Sea salt but the sea salt you get into grocery stores. Also fine new do a mix. Can we get the exact measurement? Just doing a complex one two one. S COPS. Yeah it's kind of one to one but I it's. It's like a cup each but sometimes I go overboard because I find that like the more salty. It is the better in terms of soaking soaking the bad energy. Out of me of path question again doing this every night. No it's only like once a week but I think if I'm going through a really stressful phase of my life. Sometimes I'll do it. I'll feel like I need to do it like every day and I really do. It's one of few things that helps outside of like exercise or getting a massage or something like that. I have a question about the logistics of very salty baths. Do you then feel like you have to like rinse with freshwater afterwards like do you feel like of a thin film of salt on you like you would when you go into the ocean. Yeah I usually rinse off in the shower right afterwards because it's very salty. That's hadn't I've been doing more salt baths myself but more for sore muscles than like energetic purposes. But I should rinse off after. I didn't even dawn on me that you're right like I'm just sitting in saltwater and thought about that but for our audience who might not be familiar with the term impact. Can you talk to us a little bit about what that means? And how you experience it. Yeah so Being an impact the idea is that you are more sensitive to the energy of people around you than other people. So you pick up on people's emotions on you pick up on the energy in a room and If you're not careful with it you are soaking up that energy in taking on if I was a more evolved 'em path with better boundaries. I might not have to take as many salt baths. I think there's a lot of protection techniques you can do like you can imagine a bubble around yourself when you go out into a crowded public. Plays on you. Can you know do chocolate? Cleansing meditations in different things But for me. I find that things like the bath or tactile thing like massage exercises more helpful. Because it's just I. It's sometimes hard to get into the head space of like really believing that the meditation or whatever you're doing is helping. Yeah and it's just I. It's funny because I think the term impact gets thrown around a lot in these spiritual circles by people who I don't think they always fully understand what it means because it sounds like it's just like it. Sounds like a mind reader in a fun way when in actuality I feel like I sometimes pick on people's energy without realizing I'm picking up on it so I'll be around someone in a bad mood and then suddenly I'm in a bad mood and it feels like the mood is about what I'm experiencing but I am not realizing that I just picked up somebody else's bad vibes so it's not as fun as it does. It sounds exhausting. I mean the bathing sounds fun but the other part sounds challenging. Yeah it's hard and I think Hopefully I will get better at it and not take on so much and like ideally. I would be kind of like witnessing other people's emotions and like being detached from them but it's it's very hard not to get sucked in so let me ask you and this is kind of a twofold question because you mentioned a psychic. I have. I don't know if I've talked about it too much on this podcast but I visited a couple of psychics in my day and I would love to talk about like how one goes about doing. What are the reasons behind it? What has the experience like? And then how does that factor into your life when you are a person whose job it is to also poke fun at these things like? How do you kind of find that balance between engaging in these practices and also finding the the humor in them if that makes sense? Yeah it's hard. I I found my psychic back in two thousand ten. I think her name's Jemma Deller and she operates in Brooklyn and I just right off. The Bat had very inspirational experience with her where she was channeling brother and it felt like she. I mean she is just such a funny person like she's a very like tough-talking no-nonsense Brooklyn biracial lesbian so I wasn't getting like sort of like fake empowerment by from her. It felt like she was channeling. My brother in a sarcastic way. That felt very much like the way he would communicate with me and I just felt like she really validated things. And at that time I was feeling very lost in my career. I had been taking Improv. I had a major in illustration and she told me that I was a writer and over the years. She said various things to me. That really resonate in that way where I was you know. Has this really feels right on to me and I understand the flip side of the. Obviously I'm I consider myself very skeptical person but I do think we all kind of tune into our own gut on what feels right for us where we're supposed to be in our lives and what we're supposed to do. That's beautiful. I I mean I. I also saw psychic to communicate with my dad. Mom and I have many people in my life. Who are like just someone to scamming you. But I also which I don't believe but psychics are very divisive topic of conversation. I have found. Yeah and for me. It feels evidential. I know no one else can really like believer appreciate that. But the summer that I found Gemma I had a couple of different instances where I would be alone and like something would fall on my head from above like a chrome or like like some physical thing would fall on me in a moment where it felt like. I was getting these messages. That this doesn't there's no other explanation for these things. You know what I mean. Yes I think. My mom communicates to me. Have you ever had a dead person talk to you know do you believe? Do you believe that that kind of communication can exist? I believe that people believe in it. Skeptical Fred no like. It's the kind of thing where I'm like if this works for you. And you you get fulfillment or calm or whatever out of it and it's not harming anyone then fine. Yeah I think if it's harming people or or if it's harming you like the story in the New York Times about the man. Yes like gouged out six hundred thousand. Yes then that I have a problem with and I do. I guess my issue with some psychics in particular is that some of them tend to prey on very vulnerable people. And so that is a problem for me. Yeah I do believe that. There are a lot of fakes out there and a lot of unethical psychics and I. I've been really avid listener of the psychic teachers. Podcast for years and they always have a very strict set of ethical rules. Like you. Don't just go up to someone in start giving them a reading. You don't give someone reading that they don't want you'd end and when I first saw Jemma she told me right off the bat like you should not come back here for six months to a year because people get addicted to the sort of validation and at the end of the day we all have free will we all have to make her own choices. Like no one can tell you exactly what to do. They're just get a conduit for some validation. That's the psychic I saw said as well and I I that resonated with me because after I had experiences like a psychic medium talking to my dad mom I want until I go every day and see what my mom was up to and that was very emotionally challenging was it was a weird experience. It ultimately was helpful but it was. It was a lot. Yeah I could see how someone who doesn't have as strong of a sense of self as I think Beth. You Do Kate. You do could be taken in by someone who is perhaps not as scrupulous the people youtube both seem to have found. Beth and I found good psychics. And then Beth you that was kind of a a moment where you realize you wanted to be a writer. Yeah I think it kind of you know. She says these things to me that feel very true. But it's kind of speaking to inklings of things I felt in the past so is like I as you know I had done Improv for awhile and I never really fit in as the performer actor type and I just we should clarify for our audience that you and I have known each other for many years because you and I are both performers from the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater which is Improv comedy that you reference. Yeah and yeah I always felt like I never really found my place there. At the time you see didn't have sketched teams. The way they do now there was sketch classes but it just never. I had never had that connection of like. Oh I wanna be a comedy writer and I didn't. I didn't find that avenue so when she said that to me it's sort of felt like all kind of click together like everything I had been trying to do. Yeah and let's talk about reductions because it is one of the smartest and funniest things on the Internet period education point for anyone who's not familiar with reductions. Can you give us just a little bit of Info about what the site is? And what you skewer on the site and what your experience has been there sure. selectors started as a satirical women's magazine sort of poking fun at the tone of Women's media. That was always trying to Empower women while actually trying to sell us things that make us WanNa fix our flaws and all that But it's kind of grown into parodying not just women's media but the female experience more broadly and we've had lots of writers over the years You know pitching ideas about women's media about their experiences with man S- planning and all the little fun intricacies of being a woman. I'm looking right on the homepage right now. This plant care tips. You'll immediately abandoned. After anything at all happens how start drinking more water by sticking your whole self worth on ed which is wow really what. I feel like I do every attack. I mean I DRINK. Water obsessively the the headlines and pieces I I think the most amazing thing about the site is how unfailingly like there's never a dip in the brilliance of the content. It's so sharp and so funny consistently which is kind of amazing to me and also speaks like I also feel very seen all the time like for example. I hate the city says woman who only goes to three places. What's the process like there? It's a little bit based on my experiences when I used to intern at the onion. So we have most of our writers work remotely and they pitch US ten headlines at a time and then we go through all of those on a weekly basis and I would say we probably take one or two pitches. Outta ten Which is how we keep the quality high end than we have in house writers who are pitching in helping us right of those articles. How do you think this is kind of something during I talk about a little bit like? How do you reconcile participating in the things that you're also making fun of like we? You know we talk in a very critical way about a lot of practices but we also participate in skincare and makeup. And enjoy it like Wha- what have you have? You had to kind of find that own balance in your life. Is that ever been something? You've thought of yeah. It's it's difficult. I mean what's hard about reductions is that you know. We're this tiny company founded by two people who never had any funding and because there's this double standard for women. Sometimes we get criticized as though we are a large media conglomerate that is taking advantage of women if that makes sense and it's hard because we're doing our best and we are listening to feedback and trying to do the best buy are writers and With the amount of time we have which is very limited. Because we're a small staff and I think at the end of the day. Sometimes I think you have to really reconcile like what am I putting into the world versus? What am I wear my failings because I think you could easily choose the past the path of least resistance which is just to say nothing in not have a company and you know not. Try to help people. But I don't think the end result would be better for not having tried you know And so I don't know it's a very hard position I find to be in the to be trying to help. Lift up other people's voices because you're always going to be failing everyone in some way And you kind of have to learn how to deal with that. I think that's great. That makes a lot of sense. Let's talk about your new book because you you wrote a book. A book that many people who've gone through pregnancy or childbirth have wished existed Because it's very honest upfront. You talk about things that a lot of literature does not talk about. How did that come to be and what? What are you hoping readers take away from it? That's exactly the reason we decided to write. The book is I knew Jackie before I got pregnant. I met her during her podcast. And when I got pregnant I realized she was one of the only people I knew who is pregnant so I reached out to her to try to get some insight on what the hell was happening to my body and I think we learned slowly over the course of time that we both had been taking notes on this idea for a book because we wanted to spare people what we were experiencing which felt like we were just so in the dark as to what this experiences was gonna be like you know. There's all this information out there on all everything that could medically go wrong in your pregnancy. But there's not a lot of encouragement for everything you're doing and a lot of empathy for all the disgusting things that are happening to your body and all that so we just wanted women to feel seen and feel encouraged to understand that there is no right way to do. This and Jackie did all the illustrations in the book. And I'm like sitting here laughing at one of them because you have a diagram a woman who has given birth and it says circle where it hurts a postpartum activity sheet and save space to complain and like that is. That is something that I can really really to. Walking hurts hair's falling out in clumps creaky painful joints c section scar burning just so many things that like nobody towels you still right. Yeah and then. You finally start to get that validation from people but it's like piecemeal like did this happen you and let it. It's all things would have been nice to hear before they happened. What was the what was the biggest surprise for you about pregnancy? Like what was the thing that you were like? God why did no one tell me this I think I just didn't. I don't think I really appreciated how much everyone would want me to like. Take care of their emotions about my pregnancy. If that makes sense like if a leg I like with Planning the birth and making decisions about the baby. It just felt like everyone wanted to weigh in in a way that was not necessarily helpful And you know we have a section of the book that's like don't let them visit or I forget. Exactly what the title is but you know everyone wants to come see the baby. Everyone wants to tell you what you should be doing for the baby but not a lot of that takes the form of actually helping you take care of the baby or helping you recover from birth. Just takes the form of like them wanting your attention for some reason. Yeah I did not I. I luckily did not experience that with my family but I have heard many a story of people who did and that sounds really fricken. Hard Beth we get a lot of requests for parenting podcasts. And you have one that you do with your husband. Which are there times where you want to gently push each like what are what are the challenges of discussing something as hard as parenting with the person that you're doing it with? It's really hard. We've we've gotten a lot better at it over time But we are. Podcast has frequently taken the form of like couples therapy that we are living out loud for strangers and I think ultimately. It's been really helpful because we have this crazy schedule where we're kind of usually passing the kids back and forth to each other. Although that slowly getting a little less chaotic and so this had become the only time during the week where we would actually compare notes on what was happening. And so yeah. There's been a lot of arguing at a lot of me trying to explain the female perspective on these things but I think it's really helped us work through a lot of stuff and I think our listeners seemed to enjoy hearing that and I think sometimes they feel seen by hearing that process. I also have a podcast with my husband and I have had the same experience like I've said many times. If we didn't have a podcast together like we would never just be sitting down for an hour to an hour and a half every week just sort of going over what's been going in our lives and it has served as a kind of couples therapy with. I guess our therapist being our listening audience kind of forces you to speak somewhat respectfully to one another and I think that's where it becomes actually productive. That's so interesting. I will say that like the episodes where we kind of got in. Fights have been kind of our most popular episodes because people the response from listeners has been like. Wow you guys really got real. That's like kind of I don't know I always feel weird when we fight on the air. Yeah we've had that response from listeners. To but then we also occasionally. We'll have a response from a listener. Where they're like Beth was to mean or like I feel like someone's like projecting their own like internalized sexism. That me in a way that I'm like exhausting but it's mostly a good. Yeah Beth can I ask a question? I'm just circling back to us. We get a lot of questions from people that are like I have this idea but I don't know how to get off the ground or don't have the confidence to do it. I don't even know where to begin or it's already been done. Is there a bit of advice that you have for people who have a vision of something they want to execute creatively professional or just a like a passion project in actually doing it? Because you did it like you started something. And it's now been this amazing thing with longevity and reach. What's like the little bit of advice that you give people I think you should sort of. I don't want to say we started small but I think you need to start with like a manageable goal and let it snowball over time because if if it if it's resonating with people it'll pick up momentum and you'll find what's fun about it but I don't think you can force it too much because it takes so much sustained effort over time. I'm sure you guys know doing a podcast like it's so much work to put something out week after week after week and so if you don't enjoy doing it it's very obviously gonNA fizzle out Especially when you're not really making money off the bat me up. Yeah totally agree. Yeah well this has been. It's been great to get to talk to you in a professional manner. Where careless earns find you? And where can they buy? There's no manual. And where can they hear? You give us the rundown you can find me on twitter at Beth. New You can find Funny Videos of my kids on Instagram at Bethnal. you can find. There's no manual any bookstore and you can listen to me on. We knows parenting podcast. You are everywhere. Thank you so much about your best. Truly pleasure yeah. It was great to talk to you. Thank you so much for doing it. Thanks for having me so hates. You're just tick talking away this week. I had to like take a freaking hawes from talk because I'm a. I'm a ticketed. I see what you did there fun Pun and I respect it but I don't know that I endorse all I want is your respect. Yeah I had to like pull back on my tick talking because it was starting to be like just too much yes. Did you learn a dance because that was your that? Was Your intention from last week. I learned to dance and then I did it. I did it in the mirror and it was so not cool like I did not look. Didn't it just didn't look cool. It didn't look cool like the teens of Tick Tock but I will say I did start the forever. Thirty-five about four people follow it. But if you're on tick targeting me. Yup Come Watch me. I did a dance while washing my face. Yeah you did. It was very cute so I'm going to. I'm thinking like how can I? How can we make more like skin and self care related talks? Ooh right. I'M NOT GONNA be dancing like Addison Ray. Okay but could we possibly do something on there? I think so. I look forward to all of your ideas. Yes so so. What are you doing this okay so this week? My intention is to nail moisturizers every night. I am really enjoying using handcream which is a new thing for me well go. I really feels good to be here. Forty years to figure out the joy of hand cream I keep. Avena skin relief intense moisture handcream by my bedside table. You can see. I'm almost done with the spot. Yeah so I do that. And then I use ten over ten rose oil cuticle oil a rub that Oliver my nails and my nail bed which we should say that forever. Thirty five FACEBOOK GROUP. Admin Queen Heather. Oh Kanka Heather. You're the best. This is changed my life. It's amazing it's really great. It's so easy just to keep your bed. It's really tiny and also the way you apply it. It's like cute little roller yeah roller you do you love to learn more. I do look to speak my truth. What can you say you love roller so I use that and I also wondering if that's making my nails feel better feel good is. I'm just enjoying like these. Little NAIL SELF CARE PRACTICES. That are not about having like the longest dreaming snails but just kind of making them feel good and this for you. How about you you? We're going to get your office in a state where you could do working and guess what you did it. I did it and when I was putting my stuff in for this week in our in our shared doc. I was typing it from my desk. Good for the off as it. Feel like a space of calm and productivity. It's getting there it's getting there. I mean certainly more than it was. You have a space that you can actually put your computer down and do workout. Yes and I have my desk chair. And it's like okay. I can see where this is going. Good then you know what I mean like. It's all kind of getting setup. You've gotta lamp have a lamp. Well it's getting there so that's good and then this one of you. Thank you matt and I are going away together alone for the first time since Henry was born so my attention this week is just kind of relax. Just try to enjoy myself. Reconnect reconnect recharge charge. That's exciting are you having big feelings about it or you fill in okay like are you worried or nervous leaving him or you just like peace out. I am a little. I'm a little sad about leaving him. I feel like I don't know I kind of like we're going. We're leaving Thursday coming back Sunday. Kinda WANNA come back. But I don't so I have to figure out. Well I can tell you he will be okay. I know he'll be fine My parents are coming and it'll be great. It'll be great and you will. Maybe you're going to do anything like are you gonNA get a massage massage and we have a dinner reservation on Thursday night to be nice. Then we're going to see my husband's favorite band. The Dave Matthews band talk about Self Care live in concert. I've seen them with him once before I'm and was very intense and be a great show. Does a great show very talented? Their fans are intense But Yeah I'm I'm looking forward to. It's going to be a pretty a relatively small venues. I think that will be fun. That's great yeah. Well if you have a great time thank you so much. You want to say this or do you love to do it. Dory forever thirty five is hosted and produced. I meet or. He's a freer and Kate Spencer and produced and edited by. Sammy who neo and SAM. Reid is our project manager and we will talk to you all next week.

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Mini-Ep 57: Gaslighting at Work

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Mini-Ep 57: Gaslighting at Work

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But if you wanna leave us a voicemail, it's seven eight one five nine one zero three nine zero in our Email is thirty five podcast at g mail dot com. So hit us up as Kate would say on the jeans. Ooh, I like where you're going with that on the gene have used that have that as a Kate ISM. Did not make that up you. Oh, so charming horrible. I winced. When you set it. You know, what you got me back by recently using the word prod shirt in our spring good. That was a good one prods still makes me laugh. Speaking of prods, we have a question looking for prod recommendation, right? Let's hear it. All right. Hi, Kate and Dory on my name is Anne. I'm calling from Lancaster, Pennsylvania. I'm calling because I have been listening cheer podcast on twenty eight years old. So I'm not quite thirty five. I'm a little on the younger, and you know, just getting started in my career a lot of money to spend on skin care. I, you know, I'm curious in my question is you guys have any sort of recommendations or like a starter kit for someone that you know, doesn't know much about skin-care or what kind of products do you use or what to use them for because you know, they've been listening. I've been literally binging your podcast all day every day at work. So it's a lot of information being thrown out me and little our default. So yeah, I was thinking of these is to come up with some kind of starter kit. That'd be cool with some products that I can like, you know, start off with. I would be great cool. So hopefully, I will get some feedback on that. Thanks have a good day by well. Hello Anne in Lancaster pill. You welcome. Mish. Country a beautiful place. Lancaster is certainly is. Well, wouldn't it be fun to make up our own starter kit? It would be I don't think we're quite there yet. We do have thought about this definitely thoughts on how you can make your own starter kit because it is a little bit of trial and error and finding what you like my personal suggestion would be depending on what you want. If you're really interested in natural beauty line checkout. A cure a C U R E, you can get it online. You can get it at whole foods this target to target. There you go. They have they're they're on the national side of things, and they have a really great price point. I've I've used a lot of their products, really like them. And I think when it comes to kind of setting up your starter skincare routine. How simple you wanna go is up to you. And what you need. And if you're not having anything going on with your skin, I think you could cleanse moisture is and put on some sunscreen, and then if he wanted to add things in you could get a kind of balancing toner, you could expose. Fully eight with either a scrub or a. Knicks like the pixie glow tonic is is somewhat exfoliating not they saw that a target. You could add in a vitamin suit serum like the mad hippie vitamin C sarum that door uses. These are all things that I think are within a reasonable starter kit price point. But I also think you could just think sunscreen is the most important thing. Yeah. Provided you're trying to prevent Sunday ge- keep your body safe. Make sure you have a sunscreen. Yes, I also just want to say that people love the Sarah v line, but they do have parabens in their products, which some people. Do not want to use an thank you should avoid another people. Tell us don't worry about them. So really, I would encourage you to do your own research on not just parabens, but any product and you're looking into make sure you give it a research. That's important to you Dorie your thoughts. Well, I was just, you know, you're you're twenty eight I was just thinking kind of depends a little bit on what your skin care goals are and what kind of skin you have like if anti aging is the important thing for you. I would get a retinoid. If your skin is, especially dry, you'll want like a richer more hydrating night cream or even perhaps an oil or oil oil. Yes. Squalene maybe something with highly Roenick acid in it. That really comes seals things in the ordinary has a really good price point. And I think available at Sephora it's available. It supports also available on their website. Right. And I think they are really good way of trying out some stuff and seeing what you like what your skin responds to. So that's where I would start. I think the most important things that you can really keep it simple. You can keep it. Some do not need as enticing as it is to have like fifty steps in little guests jars of things you really don't need that yet. So keep it simple. Most important thing. Kate, set, his sunscreen. I would also add taking off your makeup. Great idea. You know, what I found some makeup removing wipes that I really like. Oh, yeah. That I think you could probably get a target thereby honest. Jessica Alba slide. I somehow like just have them at home, and I've been using them. They're really nice. Well, there you go. Well, there you go. Thanks so much. Jessica alba. Dori? Yes, you want wanna kick off the Email? I would love to. Hi, Kate endure. I'm planning a trip to California to visit one of my closest friends who gave birth about two months ago. This is her first baby. And I wanna be a respectful guest will also making our visit fun and a bit of a break for her. We've traveled together in the past and are both really looking forward to spending this time together. Do you have any suggestions of self care activties, we could do together any other tips on how to be helpful when visiting a new mom her husband and parents live there as well. So I wanna make sure I'm a stress reliever and not stress addition. I think just having that thought makes you a wonderful front is very aware of the situation. You're going into I was hoping you might be able to answer this as someone who has had to children's were like, can you think back to those early days, and like what would have been welcome? And what would have maybe seen like? It would be welcomed. But in fact, wasn't I'm a little confused because I can't tell if you're going to visit this friend and the intention is to like help out or you're going, and you guys are. You're going to visit this friend in you're going to do fun activities together. Right. Like, it will because you said, they you travelled together in the destiny she says they want it to be a bit of a break for her. So, but what I can't tell if is is this person providing the break. Oh, I see or are. They are they participating in the break. Do you know what I mean? So listener first things first I would say go into this with zero expectations because you don't know what your friend might need what might be going on with their child with their relationship with their partner just be have zero expectations as maybe don't over plan. Definitely don't over bad. Because really what your friend might need is just like a friend to sit on the couch with while they feed their child or they might want you to hold their child. Will they go take a nap or take a shower or even like, you stay like not to say like you're going to visit this friend to babysit? But like that could be it. Go offer to watch the kid one afternoon while your friend goes and does something. It feels good to them. Sees a movie alone goes to a yoga class, whatever may be offered to make dinner definitely offer to make dinner do lot. See what if there's stuff that needs to be done? You could if you know, your friend like likes to micromanage, maybe chicken, I, but if you think your friend could handle you just doing the laundry without them asking you just say laundry. Yeah. Just do it helping out in little ways like that. Like do the dishes after you'll have dinner. That is just give them a little bit of a break. Yeah. I had a friend. Once I was really stressed out. This happened two times one time a friend came over and she just cooked eggs. Oh, it was so helpful in another time a friend was visiting from California with her visiting her inlaws, and she came over to my house. Folded my laundry for me. Oh, we just sat there and talked. And she folded, my laundry, and those little things like that are so helpful. Yeah. But I also think you know, if you are participating in self-care things in your friend can take a break from their child, you know, plan whatever's in your price range, a walk a manicure together. Yeah. Like, a spa activity or just even like, you know, I was going to also say like, I don't know exactly where we're going in California. But if they have a service late glam squad got a blow out get like get you're gonna blow out get up get your friends to get a manicure in their home. You know, that's one of those services where they come to you. And that could be fun. And then you know, she wouldn't have to worry about child care, and you could do that together. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, I think you're you clearly are going into this really thoughtfully. Yeah. And I think just kind of assessing what you our friend needs because self care looks different for every person. And they literally just need you to like sit there and hang out or they might be like ready to go out for a night on the town. Yeah. It's just play by ear definitely brings some sheep. You know, you can't go wrong cannot go ahead knock around with a sheet mask, right? We're going to take a short break. 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Twenty five percent off your first order on milk and Honey dot com, just use code forever. Twenty five to redeem again, that's milk and Honey dot com code forever. Twenty five or twenty five percent off your first order. So dory. Yes, we talk a lot about therapy here on thirty five two. And we got a really helpful voicemail that I wanted to share with our audience share it high king Dory. Actually, tried to leave a message on before. And I can go on and on about their for so long that me out. So let me try to be very sustain. I love how much you guys talk about therapy. I am a therapist and my sister's your doctoral student and kind of psychology and I go to therapy myself. And and when listening to you gotta talk about there being always so happy to hear you guys talk about it and your experiences with it. I think it takes a lot of courage, and it's also something that I think is changing and society, and we talk about it'd be more in. There's really no shame in it. I just wanted to say something quickly about your recommendation that people see see. Therapists. I'm so glad that you had a good experience. She can wait for a lot of people. I was the second enemy therapist. I've gone to see BT feet, and it's been really helpful for certain things. I've also gone to secretary therapy tuna feet, some of people on issues relationships for south in with my parents and with I work and because before either they they also can do that work. And it's like, oh dynamic therapist will argue that they all said you to work, the Phoebe or stew. But the research shows, this is the most important thing that I wanted to say the research says that it's your relationship with a therapist. That's the predictive actor route. So not the modality if they're not the type of therapy, but the quality of that relationship, and the research is time and time again that that is the most important factor for read it that everybody go to therapy. If you think that you want to. And definitely can't shop around. It's not so much. Whether you gotta see BT or second Antic therapy or any other Serbia assistance therapy, pick your one on it's it's the Ripa therapist. So thank you guys so much for your podcast. It's meant so much to me. And so many of my friends, and how do they think? Well, that was helpful. Agreed is nice. Yeah. That'll so maybe it made me think about my therapist who. I really just like. Yeah. And it was calling. Oh, yeah. Right. I just feel safe with this person. Yeah. That's so important. Yes. I thought that was really great advice from an actual therapist. Thank you, caller, Sarah, color therapist. Why don't I read this evening? I would love them because I think you're going to have great insight here. Why thank you. I need your help and thoughts and how to get over a case of being emotionally manipulated and gas. Let I am a successful career woman with children, and he's strong happy marriage. Last year. I started being setup for a well deserved promotion by my new department lead whom I had had a previous business relationship with that was positive. He built me up, and we got close I trusted him very much long story short about halfway through my working relationship with him. He started to gaslight me insulting me telling me, I wasn't as smart as I thought I was even though he told me the same many times and making me doubt my own memories and self worth. I'm not the only person he is done this with is doing this. With fortunately for my sanity stake. My body threw me into meltdown mode, and I decided to take a promotion in another department at the end of last year in order to Kate take care of myself and get away from him. However, all is not well that ends. Well, I can't seem to quit him. He continues to insert himself into my life. And if I'm honest, I keep trying to let him in. And sometimes I'm even the one engaging him because I genuinely miss him probably because I'm a victim of emotional abuse. And the cycle starts all over fundamentally. I think I do this because I want to convince myself I was wrong about him. And I want the good memories. Back and then I just keep beating myself up because I should be so much smarter than to fall for this. I know I need to go to therapy. But any other thoughts and how I can forgive myself for falling for this. So I can move on quitting my job and getting away from him is not feasible at this time. Hate this guy. I mean just now that we don't like him. We cannot stand him. I mean, I think the first thing to do is. Acknowledged that. You sounds like you have been the victim of a very manipulative person. This is not your fault that you that you quote unquote fell for it. There's a lot of you have a lot of self blame here. When in fact, like this is someone who from what you say has made a habit of doing. This is very good at doing this. This is not on you that this happened. So I think that's like the first thing go away if you can the shame and the blind. Yes. The other thing I would say, and I feel like we've mentioned this before. But it does sound like there's some co-dependency happening here. The kind of coming back and wanting the gases it also sounds like he's obviously gratified by this relationship in some way, and needs it to break that cycle. Unfortunately, like you're gonna have to be the one to walk away. So I would I know we've recommended codependent no more. But I would I would check out that book. I think there's also groups on codependency that might be helpful especially since you say you have been the victim of emotional abuse. So I would go there. And I think you know, as much as you can given that you do still work in the same company as him try to set boundaries. And I don't think it's probably not feasible few to block him. But to the extent that you can try to cut him out of your life at don't interact socially. Yeah. All correspondence is profession is about work. And that's it. And that might I mean, it's really hard to do this kind of stuff in a workplace, and we have no idea how big or small your workplaces. And what the interactions are like in the company called Sherman. There's so many factors, but protect yourself up some some things in place, so that you can exist. I also pause for a second here is this something this person can report HR. Yeah. Good question. Like goat. I don't again. I don't know what your H R is this actionable. Yeah, that's something to consider as well. And I think, you know, setting yourself up so that you can thrive and not have a relationship with this person beyond. Whatever is expected of you at work is and I would say also find some other allies at work. On some other people that you can be whatever that you can be friends with whatever it is that you're getting from him minus the manipulation and the emotional abuse try to get that somewhere else. Good call. You know? Yeah. Maybe you need that positive reinforcement that he, you know, dangles in front of you every so often, but it sounds like you could get it in a healthier way from someone else. I'm sorry. You're going through this. Yeah. It's really tough. All right. So we have one last Email that I enjoyed going to read it. Hi, kate. I was listening to another podcast. I like reply all and remember that they started a holiday slash tradition. A few years ago, you might wanna consider as a part of self care Email debt forgiveness day, it's April thirtieth and the idea is that this is a day when you can respond to any Email that you've been putting off no matter how many days weeks or years have gone by. I know I have those emails that I meant to respond to but then waited too long. And now it is turned into a across the nation. Shame spiral cycle. The idea of Email debt-forgiveness really appeals to me hope you like the idea to maybe a joint episode with reply all is in your future. I love Email debt forgiveness day. That's such a great idea. Yes. Because I need it. Totally. Oh boy. It's like, oh, yeah. There is that Email that oh there's hundreds of emails for me that like now, it's just you feel like it'd be worse to even respond. Yes. Yeah. So everyone April thirtieth just resurrect those emails. God thought of it gives me like makes me almost nauseous don't have to feel bad about it. Right. Because we all do it. Right. We all do it. So now, we are all going to do it together. I also like that reply. All just created a holiday like I want to create a holiday tradition. Let's do it. Okay. Let's think about that. It's come up with one. Great. Okay. Perfect. Well, we'll get on that. Hey, and that's what that's what we'll be doing. We're not making this podcast. We'll talk to speak. I.

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Seasonal Eating Is Sexy

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Seasonal Eating Is Sexy

"Hi. This is Dorie Greenspan. Enjoy the Baker. You're listening to radio cherry bomb. You're the bomb you are. Hi bomb squad. Your listening to radio cherry bomb. And I'm your host carry diamond each week. We talked to the most inspiring women in and around the world of food. Let's thank our sponsor handsome, brook farm, pasteurized organic eggs, handsome, Brooke farms secret to making rich flavorful eggs is simple. The most possible space, the best possible feed and lots of love. It's a healthy and humane recipe that makes your almonds cakes custard and everything in between taste better want to get cracking. Of course you do. Visit handsome brook, farm dot com. Alright some housekeeping calling all green girls, the food waste fair twenty nineteen is taking place in Brooklyn on Thursday may twenty third joined the cherry bomb team and other zero waste peeps. 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You've got asparagus, rhubarb ramps, so many vibrant things I was very excited to talk to Anna about what seasonal cooking means to her since that's a major focus of the modern cooks year before we get to my conversation with Anna. Let's hear a word from our sponsor handsome brook. Farm believes that organic and pastured is the way to go when it comes to eggs, pasture-raised means better lives for hens. Better lives for small farmers and better eggs for you. It's also better for chefs who depend on rich flavorful, eggs, handsome, Brooke farms owned flock of amazing chefs their mother hens count on it. You not add mini is a mother hen. She's also the celebrated chef behind team Balibou STA and Kish cash in Manhattan want to learn how Sheffi not whips up her red shock Shuka an aromatic, spicy tomato sauce into what she nestles eggs and lets them poach to perfection. You can find Sheffi knots Middle Eastern, egg Centric, recipes and videos on handsome, proclaimed dot com. You can find their eggs at Publix. Kroger sprouts. Farmers market freshdirect and many natural food stores across the country. Enjoy my talk with Anna Jones. And jones. Welcome back to radio Terry bomb. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. Well you're one of our favorites. And I love the British bomb squad so much. It really makes me sad. I don't get a lot of foam, but I definitely get from when I see everybody's pictures and see you all hanging out together without me. Well, you know, you're welcome anytime. You know with with we're always the owing right away. Yeah. Is a plane ride away. I know I've been teasing this for years, but we are definitely doing an event in London. At some point, I swear to God before the next president is elected. You have to you have to because the also many people he just love you guys and would love to support you and I'll say seventy people who would just love a little lo pace of cherry, Boma Renaudin, both so many of you, we love from afar. Yeah. But today we get to love you from a near. Not a word you are here to talk about another gorgeous cookbook that you've done called the modern cooks year. And I just I was saying this off Mike earlier. But I don't know how you do these. They are gorgeous. They are beautifully designed and photographed. And then there are these just incredible recipes and you literally want everything in these books. Thank he added Jones. How do you do? Well, sometimes I'm actually quite sure myself this the first couple of books, I right before I had my little boy, but this one, I right when the my little boy was quite young, so actually was a bit of a blah. I don't quite remember how I came together, but also save for some reason in this book, I decided to write like a double book. Let the cherry bomb cookbook, and this is like twice. It's like I think it's over, like two hundred sixty recipes which is kind of wild and I just couldn't create doll, couldn't start writing, which I think the beginning of writing book is such a process, isn't it in the beginning? I always have that writes explore can I count quite, you know? Place the book and you have to sort of let a book have its own knife. So as you start writing it kind of bills momentum. And this one just wouldn't stop it. Just like I just kept going and kept going going, and also because the book is written around a year in my kitchen, it felt like you know, it didn't want to write just like ten recipes full spring. It just didn't feel generous enough, and you know, to get all the whole all of the, the whole kind of like change in mood and ingredients and just couldn't. How do you even approach a book like this? Did you like how much time did you have to work on? So I probably I think I wrote this book over year, essentially. I mean you've been writing at your whole life. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I think season -ality in seasonal kicking assay central to what I do. I'm tightly vegetarian. So a new the recipes in the book of vegetarian on all of them vegan cooking seasonally is super important to me, and because vegetables are at the center of. Well, I d so them being in season. Them tasting amazing is just so central to see how I cook in how I've kind of always cooked as a chef. Did you grow up eating seasonally you? I'm not sure that it was. I didn't. Yeah, that it was majorly a thing. I do. Definitely remember moments in the we wouldn't have like stowaways or cherries, or those things, will you around there would definitely be moments of the year. Well, you know, special ingredients came along asparagus, those kind of things, but it wasn't something that was explicit. I don't think you know, my mom wasn't someone who loved being in the kitchen. She definitely cooked. She's a great cook, but she couldn't more out of necessity. So it wasn't something that was kind of lay, but I've or enjoyed lamented in the same way as. Cook, slowly and enjoy the sort of cooking process. And I think it's definitely been a bit of a sort of paradigm shift in the whole of cooking. You know, that was kind of, in sort of my stay in, like the eighties and nineties when I was growing up. I think my mom thought time the kitchen was a bit of infringement on her sort of liberty in a lot of ways, you know, we could save that our moms are kind of robbed of that. I think that we get to enjoy that so much and for them, it was a completely different experience. Yeah. No, it does make it does make me sad actually, and I think my mom, my mom is a, you know, a sort of staunch feminist than so fajita. She kind of couldn't. She always couldn't be that mom that, you know, baked cookies, and digital these things, she, you know, she, she kind of made use of like microwaves and, you know, she's still this, great nutritious food, but it was like getting on the table as quick as possible, and using shortcuts, which I'm still like a superfan of myself, not necessarily microwave meals. Shortcut. Yeah. I think we are in a really lucky place now with food, and with feminism where we can kind of, you know, we can pick and choose a bit mole. We can know everyone, but I'm the lucky situation where you know, I can choose to cut my family dinner if I went to if not, my husband cooks, if no, you know this all these other options. So see Stephan even a change. But yet a easing seasoning, wasn't something, my family, did Stephanie, something that I learned as a young chef. I think one of the really grounding experiences for me as a young, chef was going to the mock every Sunday, all the kind of young chefs from London would me up at bar mock, it will go and get a coffee at Monmouth coffee company before had like cues of, like one hundred fifty. Every morning, and then we'd go, and we'd look and we'd see what was in season. We'd connect with connect with the food. And, and not definitely has been one of the sort of formative experiences of, of kind of setting up, how I cook who were the big proponents of seasonal eating in the UK. I'm like here. I'm thinking Alice waters, people like that who really helped us. Well, I think I think Alice waters had a massive influence. I think ever in the UK as well, especially within the kind of food he community. I think kind of Alice waters were probably raisin Ruth from Meriva cafe. They ready ready sort of flee the flag for seasonal eating and seasonal cooking, which then kind of I think, trickled down brilliant, people like Nigel. Slater has always sort of let the rhythm of the seasons of guide his cooking. And I think but I think a lot of the people that kind of cooked in that river cafe kitchen like Jamie Oliver. Have then gone on to either write books. We'll have restaurants that have been informed, you know how we cook and Jamie, obviously as a huge huge I worked for Jamie, Ashley of quite a few years. And so that was definitely something that sort of was part of the rhythm of what we did that too. We had him on the show a few months ago and we name drop du shells. I mean yeah. I mean, we're kind of like the same level on the giants. Jimmy Alva say, thank you. Yeah. He was a fun interview. It was so short, that was the only bad part. But, but he was very interesting to talk to, and it was we asked him about his female mentors. And it was it was really amazing to hear him. Talk about Ruth and rose. Yeah. And yeah. The impact that they had had on his life and career. Absolutely. And he's an he is a huge. He backs women, Jamie. He's, he's absolutely brilliant. And you know, eighty percent of the people he works him all women. He's a great feminist Jamie of he also loves his wedding photo ever comes up on Instagram. I know it comes up on Instagram all the time. And I can't tell us at like a quarter ROY powder blue sued or just show. But we have to get the inside track. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I'm like a free Shah and stuff. Yeah. Definitely, he's, he's got a bit of a retro vibe going on that. But he looked amazing super. So how did you get your start actually with Jamie Oliver? So did you go to college? Did you go to culinary school? They do. It's not quite the same thing here in the UK, people are few of culinary schools. But that quite expensive the sort of state education system runs, cookery courses. And I think a lot of people trained that way. But yeah, I love people in the UK actually, I think they're experience just in kitchens and Lun kind of on the job, which actually, I think, was definitely, my mice powerful source of learning. But yeah now I didn't economics degree, which oversee is very little to do with books. Or maybe. Well, I mean, yeah, it's, it's definitely been something good's, good to have done on goods. Have come time us that advance. Yeah. Exactly finish this book, I'm still trying to work out. But. So, yeah, I my sort of, I guess, my break was actually fifteen so Jamie, Oliver did this training program called fifteen while he got fifteen young people on set up a restaurant, and those young people sort of man, the restaurant, along with some chefs and I was in the second group fifty. Yeah, I know about his fifteen project. I didn't know you were part of it. No, it was kind of a wild story because I was kind of just doing a job. I wasn't really that connected with and decided I wanted to do a cooking, course and literally Google this cooking 'cause I'm fifteen popped off. I'd never heard of it. I'd never you know, this is when Jamie I just had one back out. He wasn't you know, a major kind of worldwide deal that he is now. And yeah, I just thought, oh, give ago, and I think I actually bumped off work on the Wednesday afternoon and went to an interview, and then that weekend, I ended up in typical Jamie, all of his socks, they were filming ole for like TV show. So we went down on like an hour. Outward bound if that makes sense to you go as weekend and we did like team building house, like build bridges with, like twigs and all of this stuff to see like how he works as a team. And then at the end of the weekend, they will. Yeah, you're in. You're in you, you've got a place on that just didn't quite know what today. So I quit my job. Yes. Started cooking and, and all were you. I was twenty four. Okay. All happened in the space of like seven days from the moment of, like, you know, a light bulb going off and me thinking, I want to be a cook to having a job in a kitchen, and you know when well for me in life when things like that happen. You know, it's the right thing like is almost like something else has taken over few. So. Yeah, it was really lucky. And then I spent seven years working in Jamie's kitchen. And then for him kind of pus in the helping him with his books and feed, starting and stuff, which was quite a ride. So how did you start to learn? Like what you were good at what, what emerged knows early days? I guess cooking is always. Always something that I have done on the I knew I was get up never really considered it, as something that could be a career, I think I was pops up in a family where you academia, unin a school wet academe year in those kind of things with a bit more celebrated. And I think we've had a great kind of resurgence of creativity over the last fifteen or twenty years haven't, we wear will these creative jobs are actually, you know, considered on the same level as being a lawyer or a doctor or not that I'm saving lives massive respect to doctor. But things that weren't careers or know. Exactly, exactly. And I think, you know, when I started out being food stylist or gross, it wasn't something that I could have been written down on my kind of my school out -plication phones, or anything. So I guess, the, the real kind of galvanizing moment for me was when I read an article in one of the Sunday papers about kind of working at your passion was and for me. Me. I knew it was kind of cooking restaurants. It basically said, you determine your passion by which part of the kind of Sunday supplement papers you turn to you. I, I remember you telling me that story. Yeah. Which is actually, so cool, because it was so instant, and so clear for me. And I think when that light bulb went off, I just thought actually, that's, that's the route on need to go down. And then when I go in the kitchen, I think I realized that I was I really enjoyed the creation, the kind of recipe creation PA. I really enjoyed that creativity. I really enjoyed that part, the end poverty, everything on the plate that delicacy that kind of telling a visual story with, with how plate looks and I, I think I was in a lucky position because obviously, as Jamie's business, grew and grew the worthies of a sort of outlet, the wolves this whole media side of Jamie's business which I could quite neatly hope into. And yeah, I think it's been it's been a process of working out. What I'm good at ready. I knew I love writing new. I loved kind of like visual in that creative side of things, I think I knew I always wanted to cook. But I used to do like cookery show is to, like Paul plants in my mom and dad's kitchen. You know, when I was like, seven, eight nine so it was that, but it so funny how we don't consider these things, isn't it? These things all tree passions. How we don't necessarily consider them. Why think is back to what you said, you know, back in high school recipe developer was not the job description food stylists, not a job description and today. I think that's also an interesting thing about women in the industry that because for a lot of them kitchens were not an option being a chef was not an option that they've kind of carved out these careers for themselves in the food world. I mean, I'm, I'm still amazed like when we do events, how many young women come. Hi, who are recipe, developers doing things on Instagram? I mean really creating their own paths into the food world. Yeah. Well, I think that's kind of what I felt like I had to call out because I when I worked in restaurants, when I looked ahead. I just couldn't see how that could be a possibility. And I think for of women. You know, I can count on one hand the amount of women. I know who have kids, he still work in restaurants is changing, I think, but CPA slightly, I just opened up to chart pasta for Dylan. Speaking of kids. Yeah. Yeah. Cooking for them. I mean, honestly on every needed to start reading some of the pages of book is falling open to cotton yoki with Brown butter tomato sauce with the most gorgeous photo. Thank you. I love not so much. Yeah. I mean it's I think that would definitely definitely be off in my top five. I think nookie is just anything with, with, like tomato sauce, a bus three to multi source. I mean tell us about this dish. I think a lot of the, the recipes I cook, quite often come from a restaurant or a fancy technique, can I try and kind of ground them and in the day to day? So being a mom of a young little boy, I don't have as much time to cook anymore. And that kind of pressure has never been real for me of like having to juggle millions of things and get dinner on the table pretty quickly. So this is kind of based on a new de recipe, but I've kind of sort of tell people. Nudie argues nudie, these incredibly delicious kind of cloud puff, like recruiter. Nakir sensually, but you make them kind of forty eight hours ahead. They stay in the fridge for a couple of nights, and you must put no flower into the court that almost just kind of like recorder and you, you, you kind of toss them in semolina, or flour, they hold together when they cook. But I mean unless you're a serious, serious food geek, who makes anything forty I was public enemy, too. So this is a recipe where I've used a little bit more a little bit more flour just to make it easy enough to make an hour. So I'm ready. Simple tomato sauce. But then finished off with Brown butter. So that's the kind of thing that I try and do, I guess, in a low of my recipes is draw people in with something that feels familiar that doesn't fail to scary? But then give them something at the end is like a different Popa flavor. The is something. Unexpected in this recipe it's the Brown butter, which actually, you know is super super easy to do. But it's something that perhaps people just restaurant. They might know e- home, but it's a total game changer. Is that basil? Yes. As say British person, so that was a little basil just a small amount of basil on top a new so herb hub. Yes. Yes. Not herb, not herb. Like we said, I saw something in here with pink pepper corn. Feel, they're having such a moment. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's one of the things I love about food like a, an ingredient will rise to the talk for a while winter and then it will get kind of like slightly of yeast and then it will get put to the back of the shelf again. And it's really nice like the I think pink pepper corns is such a brilliant ingredient. They add like a. They had a spice but it's like a fresh rounded, warming, kind of slightly zingy peppery now. And they work really, really well with lots of things. And I think it's one and also there's something that can sit on your spy show for, like quite a few months. Pretty low maintenance, it's not like something that needs to be refrigerated, but they can add, you know, incredible pop. I think there's a couple of recipes in here that use them actually, she, there's a raw squash salad recipe, which I make kind of like the end of the summer when the squashes adjust coming in, and yeah. The in the dressing is gold pink pep cones in which just adds like a warmth fit just counteracts that kind of sweetness of the squash. There's also a, a Gratton, which uses potatoes, beetroots rubab and pink pep cones, which perhaps are not the sort of thing that you would put together in a Gratton, but it turns very cherry Bom actually, because it turns it turns the cream pink. So we only eat. Exactly. But yeah, again, it's not kind of like unexpected twist at the end where you like I know what this is going to taste like hold on a second. But I think that's how we get people to like step outside their comfort zone in food. Because if you create like a really fancy recipe or something, far fangled in crazy. Then people aren't going to do it, if they know like ninety nine percent of the recipe and then this one little like tweak hit change. It's. It's not a nice way to explore new flavors. I feel like Americans are finally starting to accept rhubarb into up. Yes, they look in the UK that was always a thing. It is a massive thing because we, we have we have an area called rhubarb triangle, up in Yorkshire, which is, again, this, like full three towns of full, there's three sides are trying Alanna three towns. Three towns in Yorkshire, an inbetween them as where we'll rebuild grows rhubarb triangle. So it's not like the Bermuda triangle. Lives, never actually. Get get myself lost and rhubarb triangle. It sounds quite fun. I think you know, in the U K rebuff crumble is something that is quite accepted that people make. But people don't use it that much outside of that. But it's actually a great thing to use in, in savory cooking. Because it's not sweet asshole, it has wonderful. Acidity the tart. Yeah, a little tar, you can pick let so you, you know, in that Greytown it sort of it takes the place of pop some lemon or something else like that. I pick Lear home as well. I quite often the last few weeks, I've been doing a tray bake with lots potatoes, fetter, and some really, really funny sized rubab my son wouldn't go anywhere near but that's another story. But it's just it's I think this these moments in the year when these fresh bright colorful, ingredients pop up and actually just so cheering. Do people here? L O revolve. Is it not something that is really palm thing? It's changing, I think I think people have gotten over their fear of cooking with beats beats have been accepted. Rhubarb is still. Yeah. It's yet to, like, have it's big moment, but you see it more and markets, you see it more in recipes. I feel the same way about brussel sprouts. Little like yeah. Muscle sprouts were just so maligned. Yeah, because people cook them so bound for so long. And I think even rhubarb my dad had like bad experiences with rhubarb as a child. But now, people are understanding what to do with it. Yeah. Another recipe. We just open to the blackberry, bay leaf and Honey tart bay leaves totally misunderstood here in America bay is one of my favorite hubs and it's fresh. These are fresh fresh bay leaves. Yeah, I have a big batery outside my house, of course you men and bay is like, I'm no God. I literally kill like every plant, but bay leaves are impossible impossible impossible to kill. They just like it's. Reese, sprouted everywhere, so fresh bay, you could use dry bay as well. I think we're so used to just seeing bay in like a Basha Mel source or in like a bull in as sauce or something like that. But it's go in a bay is just a really lovely subtle verdant, but slightly sweet flavor. I don't think I've ever used anything but dried bay leaf. Yeah. Well, the, the fresh is definitely more powerful. When you scrunch up, you can kind of smell the amazing. Quite heady, but very green sort of smelling, smell of bay, an unadulterated aunt. You know anything fresh adds an extra sort of fifty percent of flavors. You sort of need to use a little bit less, but it's brilliant in sweet cooking. So a panel kata with a bay leaf and some lemon tutti Frutti ice cream. That's what, what bay leaves are used in that traditionally. So that's what creates the that flavor of got us. I don't know what tutti fruity two free T, ice cream is this ice cream. The I think must have come from this liaise lots and lots of chopped kind of candied fruits, it's vanilla. And then it has this kind of, like underlying kind of like almost difficult to place, sort of spice and it's bay. And I think quite often difficult place spice is bay. But bays, the kind of like, it's the base level at such a generous spice because it doesn't show it doesn't make you think like, hey, you know, like Korean though or tarragon. They're literally like hey, notice me. Whereas bay is just. Like it's quite gentle, it's like a really friendly like warming flavor tarragon is one of those herbs that I just can't embrace like, hey. Yeah, I love a tiny little bit of paramount like an a chicken salad or something. But the second is just like too much down. I'm not with me. You my target solid over, then his basically just target. I'll make note of that if cooking for Kerry strike off the towering. Glad. How are the rest of our friends than the UK do? What do you think the British bombs play lots world? Is this just lows of amazing stuff going on, at the moment in food, and particularly with women in food, Elissa who I was on the show with last time? Is just yeah. Our good friend, Melissa. Tiny. Yeah. She's just brilliant. And this is just a good vibe around the moment in terms of food, which is good because there's some other different vibes going on in politics. I did not prepare you for this. But can you shout out a few places that if anybody from the bomb squad is going to London would be remiss not to see or visit or stop by whether it's a market or a restaurant? Yeah. Well, London is kind of crazy. I live over east. So my leaning is always, always, always I ever that side of town, one of my favorite places to go the restaurant could Lyles, which is in shortage. The chef there is a guy called James Lowe, and he's brilliant very kind of progressive kitchen, and he cooked seasonal British food so so so beautifully. Another favor is Luca in Clark. Well, which is a restaurant started by these a couple of young brilliant. Chefs as well and it's very pastor kind of centered it's like. Like a beautiful dining room. Yeah. I absolutely absolutely adore at their markets. I mean, I would ascend people down to mopey streets, which is in sort of south east London. It's a little St. there's lots of street foods tools there at the end of that street. There's a place called spa terminus, which is kind of a bit of an underground food market, but it's where all the people really in the know. Like you might see occasionally like people like Nigel slate down. They're buying groceries. It's gotten incredible. Honey company, a brewery, a butcher's if that's your kind of thing it's always you don't mind. And then a couple of ready. Ready? Amazing vegetable shops, but it's, it's not the kind of tourist Ibarra mock it it's a bit off. The beaten track has my favorite Rochelle's can't Rochelle canteen, Rochelle, canteen is an absolute cracker. Yeah. In the summer. I mean at some beats boy, you sort of eat outside under this sort of Pergola, refines, and it's very, very, very simple cooking. Imago Henderson who's partner? Fergus founded Saint John's. So it's kind of that style of very simple kicking, but it's, it's just so beautiful. There are just so many places so any place in London line right now, another another favorite of mine is Marito Pov, the Mara family. So that kind of that they've actually got three premises now around town, and that's kind of like Spanish, North Africa and inspired food. So really, really, really big on flavor. I mean I can literally list restaurants like three and a half hours on it will have city guides. Yeah, I actually and if you'll going all out treat yourself, then spring in Somerset house is kind of unbeatable. It's this be the most beautiful restaurant in the middle of Somerset house, which is useful incredible old sort of museum style building and sky Gingell is head chef kind of at the helm there, Sheesh. You know, even just down. Into like the serving staff kind of uniforms, I just want. I wanna live that they Melissa took me to a great dinner that sky did that was all about food waste. Yes. And she just made all this incredible stuff from things that normally get thrown away in the area. And they had these plush giant stuffed vegetables. Yes, that I'm I have been meaning to find out who made those for like two years now. And I never found out. But I don't know if you saw the pictures, they were like giant, artichokes, and carrots and onions, and they were the most brilliant, things that sounds amazing. But I know that they do so, so spring, the restaurant, you know, is, is definitely a treat restaurant for me. But they do do a lunch. I think I'm out in that little courtyard area, which they cook just from the kitchen waste, and that's much more affordable. And I really love that this kind of, really like, you know, quite upmarket restaurant is kind of making their foods available an unaffordable to everyone in new still get sweet in this really beautiful environment. And it was like stop talking about fake vegetables. Okay, we're going to do a you drown lovely. Okay. Most treasured cookbook that you didn't write my God loving right now to earn a by Georgina. Hayden. She's a friend who I worked with Jamie Oliver's. She is a large the knife, wonderful Greek Cypriot. She's written this book called to Verna, which is all about her family's greets. It creates Ciprian heritage and is very, very beautiful. She was a food stylist like me at Jamie. So she's got that touch but it's telling her whole family history, and I literally want to make every single damn thing, the book favorite kitchen. Utensil. I a speed paler. That's what we call it in the is a why pin. Is that what you call it? Hey feed tennis. So that's kind of why Penn is that you can you pill potatoes with but you could say like ribbon courgettes or carrots. You can also you know, the side off a bit of lemon IRA bump. I no one has ever said that. I just think it's useful. You can't say meat for this next question. But a food that you would never eat aside from me, aside from meat. You know, I'm not great fan of walnuts warm. I Leon I know I like the flavor of them, but for some reason. Okay. Well, I might make you stuff with walnut. K wrote make me Suffolk tarragon is a deal is a deal. All right song, that makes you smile, I'm going to sound Sudan, cheesy here when we will out of a wedding. My little boy was six months old. And we had three is the magic number by delessio playing as we walk back down the aisle, and Dylan was on John shoulders, and it was. Just a pre dreamy moment. So that always makes me smile. I love that song dream vacation destination. I have a law of dream vacation destinations at the moment, because with three year old we're kind of going on slightly less dream vacation holidays, but that will change. So we're going to be okay. I think the at Phnom that has been top of my list for so many years. I've never actually made it there, where I live in east London. There is crazy amounts of Vietnamese food. So I just feel like I need to together, eat the food. My favorite cuisine and my favorite place. Visit mazing people mazing place last question. If you had to be trapped on a desert island with one food celebrity who would it be? And why why God. That's such a good question. That's such a good question. Wow. That's really, really hard one on with one feed celebrity. I think I'd actually choose Alice waters. I'd really really like to like, at like to know what she's just. Such a pioneer and I, I would let I would have like a million questions to ask her about how she did what she did and why she did what she did. And how like you know, I'm what her plans for like new things on? I think she'd be great cook with I think she'd be brilliant at, like foraging for some food. So, you know, it's like a self care thing as well. What do you think else? Waters wants to be trapped on a desert island with. That's a really good question. Maybe like. She picked someone ready cool. Maybe some mean. Yeah. Maybe one day, we'll get to the bottom of that. Yeah. Anna, I'm sorry. The interviews coming to an end. Keep you here all day. I could sit if hours and hours. This has been so fun. I just absolutely love being well, just chatting away me too. Thanks, thanks so much. That's it for today show. Thank you, Anna Jones for coming to visit cherry bomb. HQ make sure to check out her new book, the modern cooks, here, as well as her other brilliant, cookbooks. We'd also like to thank our sponsor handsome, brook farm, pasteurized organic eggs for supporting this season of radio cherry bomb radio. Cherry bomb is a production of cherry bomb media, our show is edited engineered and produced by just Seidman ARA theme song is all fired up by the band Tra LA LA, thanks for listening. Everyone your the bomb. I'll have what she's having. Hi. 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Bonus Interview: Changing How We Farm

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Bonus Interview: Changing How We Farm

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Bonus episodes of saver will want your podcast queue forever. That was her are evil plan. We're going to present you with more content. I think that is a thing entertainment overload. It's a thing. Anyway, this is a positive thing. It's a wonderful interviewee. Did I out in the woods? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We were interviewing Jamie, acre of hickory nut gap farms, which he's a he's a fourth generation farmer, and he invited us out to his farm and our podcast studio for the day was like in a Glenn of the woods with a babbling brook next to us. We were sitting on rocks. It was so it was so if you hear a lot of those nature noises in the spun it's because it's because we were having a beautiful time. Yeah. We didn't. We didn't ask you for producer till into those in really happened. We have pictures to prove it. But yeah, this was another great interview that we were fortunate enough to get and we thought that we would share it with you. So here we go. How did how did the farm start start out four generations? Well, my great grandparents moved here in nineteen sixteen. Then they migrate. Grandfather was a minister he was a Presbyterian minister from the northern suburbs of Chicago. And he fell in love with a banker's daughter. My great grandmother was Elizabeth Skinner, Kramer McClure, and she the came through western Carolina on their honeymoon. And they found this farm, and it was owned at that time by eighty year old man and his twenty two year old wife, and the story is that Nygard grandfather went upstairs to kind of make a deal on the farm, right? But the real deal happened on the porch where my great grandmother whose father had the money to buy the farm and the twenty two year old wife discussed the fact that the twenty two year old wife need. To get back to towns. He was really tired of being so far out here in the middle of nowhere. So my mother said I think we need to do this. And so no now, I've got twenty some cousins around here. And and we're pretty rooted in this little piece of land. It is beautiful. What particular part of the property? Are we sitting on right now? So right now, we're sitting on when I was a little boy we had a dairy farm here. We milked about forty some cows. And we my wife, Amy, and I graduated from college in two thousand from Warren Wilson college, and we got interested in the whole idea of local food and direct marketing, and and sort of raising animals in a way that was good for the environment. That was a more humane for the animals and doing all those types of things. But in addition to that. Deform here, we realized was pretty close to ashville. And so we could also do some agritourism out here. And so when I was a little boy, this was all sort of concrete we had dairy cows in here, and it was year everywhere. And all that and overtime. We kind of took a lot of that concrete out and planted grass and just kind of made it more as statically appealing. And so this stays here is just a nice little tucked away area. Can sit by the creek, and relax and. Yeah, this I do have to say this is one of the loveliest places we've ever podcast from where are usually in a room about the size of this rock. Mary. Nice real nothing. Nothing against our studios. Back home. But oh, heck. So so you say that you you got interested in this in like after you graduated from college did. Before that point. Did you think that you weren't gonna come back into the family business? So when I was little, of course, the farm was hard work and you got all sweaty. And it wasn't necessarily something that you really wanted to do all the time. But then when I was in high school, you start to be able to physically be able to do stuff, and it feels good, and there's something about the human experience when you're a teenager where you want to sort of use your muscles and use your body and just be physical. And and so I liked it. I liked working in high school a lot. But my parents never really maybe my parents would disagree with that. Just want to put that. But, but I was never really encouraged to like try to make a living with the farm that was never really making us any money or anything like that. So so whenever I went to Warren Wilson, I kinda got introduced all these ideas of how you can, you know, ro- animals in a more sustainable manner that than, you know, the costs with growing, you know, farmers for the past one hundred years I've been incentivized on economic level with one thing, and that's just a low cost because there's no way to control the price because everything was commodity driven. And so so the fact that we were sort of trying to do things and environmentally friendly. Way was exciting to us sort of his young idealistic people straight out of college trying to save the world, and we can do this. You know? And so that concept to me was really exciting. And so and it's funny because now forty we have three boys and they're fourteen and eleven eight, and I'm still fired up and idealistic and feel like maybe a little bit more, you know realistic now. But yeah, that's basically that that experience of of feeling like you can make something happen and make change. And and and be on the land in pay attention to to the grasses. You know, it's amazing to be able to see a cycle over and over and over again, something like a farm because farm is a, you know, the seasons and the weather matter and so every day there's an awareness to. How the weather impacts the land. And so, and that's and that's like one statement that that is very complicated. And so, you know, one example of that is always fun whenever we see like that. I really hot day of the year, maybe like towards the end of may or early June, and we hit ninety some degrees and all the little crabgrass. And all the warm season. Grasses you start to see come up or the wind berries, grow in the woods, become right? But it's sort of like, okay. That's what happened the morning that Amy we had Cyrus are fourteen year old son. I mean, I picked wind berries. And so you have all these sort of connections to to the civil land over time that kind of multiplies, and it's it's really amazing to see. And then you. After a big rainstorm. It's like, wow. This. This whole thing is just crazy right now. Yeah. Yeah. You feel it becomes a party. What about this land produces good product in the end. But but good healthy animals. Let me one. So the farm here are our general philosophy is to promote biodiversity on the landscape. And and so, you know, in in nature, you want sort of a mixture of pasture land and woods and creeks and healthy water. And so in order to have that diversity you need to have you know, animals that compliment that. And so I was feel like cattle in grasses the impact they have with the soil. Are are really amazing because you're taking a grassland ecosystem, basically. And if you go out and do one of our pastures, you'll find ten different species out there yesterday with a group, and you know, we've got Timothy right now, you've got some crabgrass. Ragweed red clover, white clover fescue, all Brome grass all these different types of grasses. And and you know, basically with cattle and. Raising management you're turning those grasses into high quality beef. And if you can take those grasses and we'd practice what's called a rotational grazing, which means you rotate, the cattle on a frequent basis, and so the grass gets to grow up big thick and deep, and then you graze it off, and you leave a lot of poop and pee behind. And then you move the cattle on and it, and it sort of mimics the way that nature has always been grazed like the bison on the planes because you have this prey animal like a cow or vice in her deer that travel in herds, and so those animals in nature travel come to an area grays at off and then they move on. And so we we can manage that with electric fence on the farm, and and when you do that you you end up with a grazing management system that actually build soil. And so it's it's sort of beyond the whole concept of sustainable, and it becomes a much more concept of regenerative because you're taking the soil when you when you graze this way, you're you're stopping down a lot of the grass right because it's big and tall and the cows recouping on it. And so that soil surface decay in manure and all that actually build soil organic matter, and so the the plants utilized carbon out of the atmosphere when they grow because that's the plant human relationship, and then and that's just to photosynthesis. And then whenever you graze off a lot of that litter comes back, you're building soil organic matters. We'll organic matter is basically carbon so you're putting carbon back into the soil here regenerating healthy soil through that grazing process. And not, you know, I feel like a lot of the environmental. Language deals with sort of mitigating our environmental impact, you know, lessening damage so to speak. Whereas it's exciting to me when we look at these systems that we can actually build soil, and that concept is like, wow. That's that's a really cool about human nature dynamic. It's exciting. So so if you were starting about twenty years ago, you you got in kind of on the on the ground floor of Asheville sort of Morphing into what it is today from it. It had been so economically depressed for a long time. And yeah, you guys kind of came up alongside the the beer scene, and and the and the restaurant scene downtown how. How has? The business and the area changed since you've been working pretty remarkable over the last, you know, since my great grandfather came here in nineteen sixteen western North Carolina was basically sort of just post civil war poverty. Appalachia you know, that sort of negative stereotype that the Snuffy Smith cartoon sort of a pit of my sins. Oh, you know. It's it's it's neat to see the blossoming of an incredible food scene. And and for us. It's been really amazing to get to be a part of that. Because it's something much bigger than what we are out here at this specific farm, but the whole the whole appreciation of quality the appreciation of care, you know, the human relationships that that get developed through that process. You know, there's chefs in town now that one example is the chef Zomba's, and they have copper crown to and they're good friends of ours and their children and our children all go to school together. And I remembered making delivery there maybe fourteen years ago it was like a big fifty pound case short ribs. I'd had them as freezer guys this like, yeah, I'll take it. And chefs love short ribs. And nobody's no cutting people don't know what the. Do with short ribs. But chefs not to make them really good. And so they had just had a baby. And and I had just had a baby of here before our oldest is Cyrus. And so. You know now now this past year, I got to coach their son is in seventh grade now and basketball. So it's kinda like I get to like, you know, we we sort of seeing each other all mold and change in grows human beings in the process and not just as like business relationship, chef farmer kind of things, but it's we're we're sort of, you know, community basically and the community part of of, you know, looking after each other's kids in and caring about how each other's businesses are doing because they matter to to us for economic purposes. But then there's also the emotional friends and connections that really make a living. We have even more of our interview with Jamie. But first we're going to pause for a quick break for word from our sponsor. Over three hundred twenty five years ago. The community of Salem, Massachusetts was rocked by something that few ever thought possible. 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You know, what we we have a we sell to about forty different accounts all over ashville. And so that's a lot of weekly collaboration and partnership, and you know, really tell the story about the history and about our philosophy because what we've realized in this was sort of interesting thing to realize is that you know, when we first started we were thinking about grasp it beef and how we can do a good job raising. These cattle in and focusing on better systems for Cal in halls and raising hogs outside and developing those systems, but what we what what's what's exciting to me is that we can not only, you know, have neat little story here the farm, but also because we've done the hard work of marketing. In branding and sales, which drives business that we've been able to really think about how do we change agriculture and the in the way people think about food and are much more comprehensive manner. And not just the fact that you know, it's it's from this. You know, there's this unique production model that really think about how do we how do we change farming? And how do we how do we rethink how farmers produced? So we actually now have a producer group of farmers that we have a wholesale side of the business that we work with a bunch of other farmers. And so now, they don't wanna be out marketing and selling and all that stuff they wanted just produce. And so now, we feel like we can go to these guys and say, hey and girls, we say, hey, guys. This is this is a good opportunity. This is workable, we have a market. Here's the program. And and it allows folks to. To stay on the farm, which is a big deal and be developed a different model for for their farms that they don't have to just stay on this commodity gain. And so that's always a a win for for everybody. And so. To me. It's exciting to sort of consider how we are production paradigm because like feedlots and all the big agriculture stuck came about just because of the business opportunity that was there and somebody started figuring it out. And and so now people, you know, there's a whole nother generation of people asking questions about how does this get done? Who's the how do we how do we sort of understand the impact of our eating when I eat a steak or some hamburger or something? What what does that look like all the way through back to the farm back to the environment? And and so, and that's those are not questions that people have historically pushed on and so now it's like, well, let's let's get that all that consideration. Which is a big thing because the meat and culture are big industries. So oh, sure. Yeah. It's you know, it's this is the second time. I've said this today sorry podcast listeners. But yeah, it's checkers once said like we've we've got to eat and. That's right. And yet, it's it. It's gigantic. And it's it's like I was sorry. No, no, no, no. I was thinking about one time. Oh, the whole marketing and sales dynamic and a member one time I was trying to sell Abon in rack like a pork chop Iraq with ten bones in it, and I was selling chef in town, and we're trying to get cut right? And our butcher was kind of a small butcher. And he didn't quite know how to cut it just ride aid. And and this is there's a million challenges in the whole local meat seeing. This is just an example of one. But I remember I had done deliveries that day and dropped it off. And it was frozen when you got it. So you couldn't really look at it. You know? So he thought it, and then I came back to the farm, and I out with the pigs way out there doing something, you know, fixing the fence or checking them out, and then he calls. He's a pass not quite wri. Can you? Can you bring van and he brought up now not sure ran Eyal. Yeah. Let me go look in the freezer, and so that I can find so I'm like back in the freezer like manure on my moods. Trying to find some frozen, pork. And I'm like five title, this cool, and until it's not doable. So, you know, there is some supply chain segregation that might be appropriate. That that was a good example for me on what I what I was the entrepreneur side of of table meeting, a roadblock. It's it's cool to hear you talk about other other farmers in the community, and what they're doing, you know, the idea of lifting everybody of it one of the common threads everyone that we've talked to in town has has talked about how it's it's more spirit of collaboration than competition. Right. What? Could could you talk a little bit about some of the specific breeds that you guys. For for hogs. We use mostly Berkshire dear we have a red wattle bore at the farm here right now. So some of them were heirloom tight breeds that are a little bit more marveling a little bit more fat. That's always yummy. And so that's that's certainly the breeds using Hong side for for cattle. Well, we've found for grass finishing cattle is that you know, when in a feed lot, there's a lot of corn, and soybeans, and whatever sort of cheap by products are available and that puts a lot of weight on these animals quit when you're in a grazing paradigm. You're not going to get that consistent kind of weight games ever. And so we we look for animals that you don't have to take the fourteen fifteen hundred pounds to get fat. We want a smaller frame the animal, and so we use a lot of like Angus genetics of smaller frame thing is there's a lot of different breeds within that that we use. But smaller framed animals that will and primarily what it ends up being the English breeds work. The best like Angus Hereford Devon those type breeds. Because it seems like there's the continental breeds which is more like the French name limousine sharla and all those breeds. We have a harder time finishing adequately in aggress based system. And so so those are the breeds we mostly used. How much is scientific and technological developments changed what you do since. He started. I think that there's there's more transparency there's and I'd say like, you know, social media in these types of things are the real. People asking questions, there's there's a lot more of AOL ability for information. And so and then people are really clueless about stuff. And so we should probably do this podcast. And so I feel like, you know, what's like the technology. You know farm is electric fencing. That's really like it's not super new. But it certainly is a technology that we use all the time every day because it's very portable and it easy to change. And so when you're in the farming systems that we use that's an important feature. Because you're kinda like, oh, it's this grass got away from us. There's a ton of grass in here, we can cut this paddock and half. And not have everything so bins. He just wants drain electric takes ten minutes to put up get hot. Bam. You're good to go. So that would be really good technology. Square for a little farm store is great. That's a pretty mainstream, ipads and stuff like that. But then there's also technology that I see coming like blockchain and stuff like that. That's going to help us. You know, take a animal one animal, and whenever it's somebody's eating it on a plate. It'll be some app that'll easily that animal to the farm. You know, what I mean, which I think is going to only continue to build this line of of communication of partnership that that we really wanna promote. So I think I see that as like something that we want to embrace. But it's also how much does it constant? And every all these all these techies are trying to figure out what there's like three or four different companies trying to figure that out. And then you don't wanna like. Be their protocol necessarily. I mean. Yeah. Always going to be that. But it's also like the you have it, right? Or do you have it right because I don't know any of this -nology stuffing now, usually like guys or girls that don't have any real experience on a farm. So it's like, you know, we can just stick it on this thing. And then you gotta go to the creek. And it's not gonna you know, not work, then the farmers alike. That's that's always a good balance. What kind of what can I I know this is a large answer. But, but what kind of products, do you guys create, and and how has that changed over the course here, so we create, you know, a on a live animal basis, we raise or live livestock or farm production here at the farm. We have cattle if pigs we have some pasteurize chickens, and so we we have a portable house and move those chickens every day, I'm gonna let me process them on the farm here and sell them through our farm store and two local restaurants and stuff like that. And then we have. Blueberries that we do when we also have some apples. And so when people come out here, you know, our mission here is to sort of connect people do the family farm experience and give them a place to come to learn about agriculture is that's kind of who we are. And what we're about is is is a place to kind of come, touch and feel it and not just kind of reading the book because that's different. And so. But that's the physical items that we pretty so importantly when you kill a cow process. Cow harvest account, whatever you want to say kill Spahn you end up with one animal equals fifty different items. You have rib is by vets they ground, sir. Long lane ground beef. Blooms mixed bone backbones, the head cheek all these different pieces and parts. And so you've gotta figure out how to market and sell those parts evenly. And so it's one of the big challenges of the sort of local pasture based industry is we end up with a lot of sales on your rib is and your New York strips, but you end up with lung ground beef or chalk or boosts net pieces are round or whatever. And you can't you know from a cash flow standpoint. You know, this animal, you know, you have a lot of cost in the NFL. And so your margin on selling all that stuff isn't great. And so you're forced to make sure you sell evenly because you have a customer that consistently. Want stakes just killing an animal for the stakes. We kept we we also their stuff piles up, and you're gonna lose money. And so you got gotta find sort of an even market for all that stuff. So making sure that you pay attention to that. And so some items that help with that are, you know, like meat sticks and stuff like that. Which also happened to be very popular with people when they drink a lot of beer, and they are at a brewer there's a meat stick where it's nice and salty, and it costs you two bucks. It's like, yeah. I mean that thing so it's a good good partnership for that. The local folks in Asheville, we've got a little bit more of this interview left. But first we've got one more quick break for word from our sponsor. Humanity has spent a long time distancing ourselves from the animal kingdom, we wear clothes over our nakedness use the stock market and go to the bathroom and specially designated areas. But if you take a closer look at the animal kingdom, you'll find blood bands and treachery that make game of thrones seemed like a dumb show for babies, I'm Katie golden. I studied psychology and biology at Harvard, and I pretend to be a bird on Twitter, and my new podcast creature feature brings you tales of love murder, sex, betrayal and deception in the lives of both animals and humans. 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I mean, we we've we've talked about how you know. They're being more information and people ask you questions are just like the the cuts of meat or the or the types of. Types of stuff that that chefs that consumers are asking points. Not changed. Yeah. I mean, I think people nowadays like no of it, flat irons. There's more vernacular common knowledge about those cuts, and then it's funny because some chefs, you know, one of feature a local item, and so they'll they wanna do like appetizer like pig years or something like that. Which is great. But it's also like, wait. You can't just let figures like we also have other too. Sort of this whole movement towards using the whole animal, which is great. But it's like all of a sudden piggy years become the most valuable piece on the animal, and you're like, this is we we still have to move the whole pork chop and everything else too. So that was a funny moment. That kind of just all he wants us figures. Like, okay. What do you do about that? So I think people are more acceptable. Like nowadays, you can go to restaurant and order pig years. Right. I mean, that's something that happens legitimately eight. Yeah. The love it. It's fun. And it's a sighting and its inventor sums up feel like people are, you know, more stepping out of their box and looking for that creative artistic experience of that chef provides an Ashley Scott, those people, and I feel the kind of town that. You know, it's becoming more like you can just get a job. But people that wanted to live here you just had to figure out how to make it work for yourself. That'd be an entrepreneur you had to, you know, get through the money making a living is important when kids and and so the ultra preneurs seen here and the service based economy that we have all the tourists, certainly lends itself towards people that live here are artistic types. And so a lot of chefs for like, those great let's start a restaurant, and it's just kind of blossomed into an artisanal place to do business. Do you have a favorite part of the job? I guess it's changed like, yeah. You know, you're you're always changing as a human being. So so like always I've enjoyed this walking around the phone, you know, and like not being super focused on this is hard, but not being super focused on. All the tasks that need to be done. But just sort of trying to be delivered mindful of just like, let's just be in it and walk around the farm in that space and not in the sort of that needs to be done this needs to be done on their. And so so that sort of just just watching paying attention. I think that's my favorite part is just like. Just being being watching the change happen. You know, paying attention. You got a good warm day in February and see what grad school a little bit. It's like cheer not you know, and then. And then people I like people and the people person. So it's neat for me to interact with customers to see to see what this looks like to work with farmers to see what that looks like how do we solve problems too? So I kind of like stress bringing this is a good problem. Let's figure it out, you know, and that's an and this type agriculture where the prototypes are not dial. In yet. You know, what I mean like feel like we can wrote gross will pretty high quality grass-fed beef at this point. But we have an apples and do I feel like we can do our Ganic apples feel convincing that that's a good idea for other farmers to do. I don't feel that way. You know? I feel like we have we're not we're very humble in our approach towards sort of the concept of sustainability. And then the the the reality of the marketability and sales and the business side of executing on that vision. And so we we keep our eyes sort of wide open in both those places. And so it's you know, there's a lot of great concepts and ideas. Out there. How to improve things, but you know, there's a jillion details in that that you have to pay attention to and then you have to sort of wrap it up for the consumer and make sure it's clear what we're doing. And not just a then not just a concept that has no basis in reality. Like, you can grow organic apples. It looks like crud that you can sell for twice as much that doesn't work. Yeah. People people want pretty apple and I picked about apples out of the band, but my kids are human beings. And they haven't really been educated. Like, I have been they always go for the pretty one. I'm like, yeah. You're that's just that that what you just did drives me crazy. That is who you are. And you it's it's almost like something to do with the garden of Eden or something. I feel like sometimes ugly winds tastes better. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Maybe there's this whole ugly food and ugly fruit movement that's going to have some traction. But my retail experience apples in the falls led me to believe that people like Big Apple with no blemishes and. And that's that's hard to do our weekly consistently year in our area. I you you managed to answering the question. But is there anything that you're experimenting with right now that you're looking forward to future? So that's one. We're we're doing a lot of different things. We're also we're actually I'm sort of an idea person in some ways having lots of ideas, which which can get kind of overwhelming sometimes for everybody. So I'll put a moratorium on new ideas for the time being, but you know, everything from making these sausages and the butcher shop here to trying to do the apples organically to we had a little project last year with some. What was it? The. The the soldier flies where you can generate that we had bringing it a little bit of brewers grains, and trying to ferment that and turn it into soldier fly larvae that we could feed the chickens sort of took off kind of. A nice concept, but it was very sort of rotten base porn of the barnesville pretty bad. You know, experimenting with the best way to. Get your kids to like farming. So that's a big one. That's a big experiment. And I'm happy to say that my fourteen year old says, that's what he wants to do behind number two behind being a professional athlete. And so I'm cool with that. I feel like that's a winning to. That's good. An NBA star or. Yeah. Something like, yeah. That's that's that's that's that's that's way, better than I anticipated. And it's funny because I didn't really know this until he does like a presentation to school about what he wants to be. I'm like, really? Okay. I just learned a lot about you. How do you? How do your parents feel about all this seems all these changes? They like it. They they're into it, a mom mom's around all tongue and mom trumps anything. She's I think I meant charge or you know, we might have some conception that we should make decisions. But if she disagrees then. Just what you do. But we get along just fine and me, and my mom are pretty similar. We kinda liked to go and do it and have fun together. And it is she wears a blue sweatshirt as often as she can't especially in the winter. That says the boss, that's so that helps clarify any confusion. Anybody might have about the situation, but they liked being around the farm. They've been around the farm their whole lives. And so it's neat to, you know, integrate summer camp and all that stuff, and there's a million things in the middle of it all in all eating, and they didn't tell us this. And on having me crazy. Where's the tracker? Mom's got her. Bob got started. And she calls me because mom does all this. She drives the tractors. He does all those. It's kind of fun too. But in the back of her mind, she's annoyed by me because I took this little piece off. I don't see I can't find it. And so that's that's that's partly a relationship. You know being on a family farm them being annoyed by one another's inadequacies. That's human nature. That's what we do. And so Willie Nelson said you can either enjoy that. And appreciate it or you can get really frustrated annoyed by that. So Willie's got good advice. Just about just just be in it. Stay cool. What are some of your favorite things? What do you think makes ashville ashville? What do you love about it? So I think I think like all sort of artistic parts of of the people here that are that are want to be creative that wanna be things differently and think about things differently. And how do we? Think about what it means to have a really crazy type of beer, and that you can actually sell it and people are coming here for these different products. And it's not just a story. You know, this is like we're experimenting with really unique in crazy ideas in sort of this entrepreneurial artistic ecosystem that is generating some really interesting stuff. And that to me is probably my favorite part about sort of being an Asheville and going to check out a new restaurant. And there's there's enough people that are sort of part of that experience. Now that are able to. For period that other seas. And you see it more out of their cities to now. And so it's cool to be able to to have been on the ground with a lot of that got started. And so that and then just the sort of community piece of it. It's still pretty small town. And so you get to know other people, and you see people around, and you know, communities great because you sort of accountable to one another, but it's also in Wayne 'cause you're accountable to one another. Yeah. That's that's I like that. It's been here being annoyed. What about if you could? Share some message that you think the average American consumer doesn't know what what would you tell them? He could grab my shoulders, and it'd be pushing. That there's more more to sort of just an item on the shelf. You know, like story back there. There's a people back there, and we all impact each other. And and and the sort of old paradigm of of regulating, the correct behavior is ineffective, and obviously to some degree. And so we've got to find a way to build accountability, and integrity, and all the things that we want with food with products all that kind of stuff consumers drive in that at the end of the day all day long, and that Matt so they're buying choices matter, you know, you vote with your dollar way more every day than you do with your vote boats matter to, but, but you know, there's a there's a sort of general everyday vote that also really matters and incentivizes the type of future that you want as if. They're a dish to you that you're kind of like. Miss Daljeet four the is like when you think of Asheville of your childhood. What is the food that you think? Well, I grew up with my parents on a big garden. So that's all kind of what my experience was with like summertime, pork chops. That was always favorites his kids like mashed potatoes out of the garden that are new potatoes. Yeah. Just hanging out of the garden and small and really yummy. And they lots of butter and then. And like, you know, maybe some. My salad something like that. Or some peas PD's were always good. Although we never really picked these because we went out there and ate him, Bradley. That was on. So I guess with Asheville gosh, it's probably like crispy figures are alive. What what can we make out of this? And and so. I'll always order that you know, as an appetizer. And then share? Do you have a favorite of of meat? Do you have a favorite like if you're going to? Yeah. Like, I mean, I think that it's hard to be rid by. But at the same time, some of the more unusual ones like a flat iron stay because really good state for the price point. It's you know, if I like had to buy meat, which I'm lucky I'll have to really, but that's what I would probably buy more frequently just for the prices and then. Pork chops. For up to release good. Yeah. Can argue true science. I do love. We've heard a lot that ashes artistic community. I think a lot of people forget that cooking can be artists tick. So I love that. That's happening here. Yeah. And it's chefs artists. Yeah. Yeah. That's it's like artists can make a living. Cool. Let's chef like. I think it's great. This brings us to the end of our interview with Jamie. It was such a pleasure. It was a lovely day. And I hope that we can do more. More outdoor interviews on rocks. Absolutely. Yeah. We can goals. We can make happen happen. Thank you so much to all of you for listening for joining us on this and other bonus if you would like to Email as you can our Email is Hello at saver pod dot com or you can get in touch with us via social media. We are on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at saver pod. Thank you as always for super producer Dylan Fagin. Thank you for listening. And we hope that lots work things are coming your way. Hello. My name is Kevin Pollack. Yes. The award winning funny fellow from that film and TV thing that makes you smile every darn time. 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Episode 47: Gratefully Yours with Emily McDowell

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Episode 47: Gratefully Yours with Emily McDowell

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Thirty five to redeem the special offer just for podcast listeners. That's. Code forever. Thirty five at citizenry podcast dot com slash river. Thirty five for fifty dollars towards your purchase of two hundred dollars or more citizenry podcast dot com slash Feber, thirty five code forever. Thirty five and here's the show. Hello. And welcome to forever. Thirty five a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Kate Spencer. I'm dory. Schiffer, and we're not experts that we are two friends who liked to talk a lot about serums dorey. Hello, kate. You texted me because you did something in your home this weekend that you had not done since moving in. Oh, yeah. Do you want to tell her listeners? What happened? I do. So let me just set the scene. I love when you set the scene that is a thing you do. And I have to just go on record as saying I love when you do it. Thank you, Kate. Hanes a lot pictures. So we live in a house that was built in nineteen twenty four and some of the features of the home not been updated since nineteen twenty four including one of the bathrooms. So there's a tub in that bathroom that my husband uses it is quote, his bathroom, and then I use the bathroom that has off our bedroom. But you know with the bay coming. I was like, well, it's good. We have a bathtub because babies need to take baths. And then I was like looking at the bat. I'd always been like about type is like one of those bathtubs that never really looks. Like, it gets clean. No matter. How many times you clean it? You know, those bad size you I've had so many of them. Yeah. I feel like they're like a real New York thing. And so I had always been like like, I don't wanna take a bath. And they're also we didn't have a stopper for the drain, which is a very very easily thing very easily remedied. Yes. And very affordable verifiable. I just never done it. So, but I really think I was just inspired by this podcast this podcast forever. Thirty-five this podcast that we do every week forever. Thirty five and I was like I have a bathtub what am I doing? So I went on our friend Amazon, and I ordered a bath up a drain plug. I ordered the thing that goes over the thing per jasmine galleries her jasmine, you know, what I'm talking about saying that goes over the thing, and I ordered a bath pillow. Oh, I'm talking. Plot up. And then so all that stuff came the other day. And then I was at sprouts recently. And I was like, you know, what why don't they just buy one of these eucalyptus bath salt packets, and I'll buy another one in lavender. They're like three bucks. I was like this was just amp things up a little so. On. When was it Friday night Friday night? Filled up the bath. I got in. It was a little too cold. But I was all right. I also, you know, when you're pregnant you're not supposed to take like super hot bounds. But I put my kindle in a ziplock bag per jasmine gillary. Jasmine, really is our guru. I gave his AP bath. She teaches AP bath HD writes the test. Anyway, I put the eucalyptus in. I got in the bath. Put my bath pillow on lay down. I was like reading I was like this is the life. What was I doing? All this time, this bathtub was here. What is wrong with me or tub fell so neglected until you got in it? I mean, my husband takes showers in it. But he doesn't take baths. And I was like oh my God. This is a new life. So then I took another bath last night. Oh my God. I used the lavender stuff. What are you going to do? Now, you ran out of stuff. We gotta go back to sprout. I gotta go back to sprouts. And last night. I have to admit I made it a little hotter. I lay at lean back on my bath pillow. I close my eyes. I'm not gonna fall asleep and Brown in the bathtub, but I I just closed my eyes just to really take it all in. I put on a face mass. And I was like I have never been so relaxed in my, holy moly. I'm so happy for you. I have breaking the seal. Thank you. So I've also bought. Some you have these the the LED candles. Oh, yes. I love them. I bought smelly t Campbell's. So my next plan. Oh my God setup. Some LED candles. You are seducing deal. Maybe some music. Yes. A little bluetooth girl. Yes. Dim the lights and make it really relaxes when I'm talking about. I as you were describing this it really did feel like honestly that you were seducing yourself, creating this amazing luxurious. Yes base. Just for you in this top. That's like kinda grows gives us shade. Exactly. And honestly every tub new old clean dirty. They're kind of gross. Yeah. So just get in it. But I was like, oh, and I brought my bath by bathrobe in. So just you know, I was able to just get out rat myself up on my bathrobe and lotion, I love oiling up after a hot bath. I mean, I was like I am a new woman that you also feel like kind of that. Nice heavy tired feelings. Yes. Crawl into bed. All yes. Yes. It was the perfect way to like wind down. I have do you know what I'm doing tonight? I'm taking about I have at my back is really bothering. I am I already mentally in my mental schedule. It's like, well, I'm reading busy Phillips's memoir. And I'm getting in the tub with busy Phillips. So speaking of seducing myself. Yes, I also took myself out on a date on Saturday night. Tell me everything. Well, I believe I texted you. That's right. When you're like, I want sushi that I was craving cooked sushi. So I took myself to the grove, and I had some sushi, but I also while I was waiting for a spot to open up at the restaurant Mosey over to Barnes and noble. And I was looking in the magazine section, and I noticed magazine called willow and sage Kate. Are you familiar with this publication? No, I'm laughing though. What will it would say? Yes, apparently, it is a publication that. They focus on like crafty things like they'll have an issue devoted to like making your own candles, and this issue was devoted to making your own bath thing, did you buy the magazine. I didn't might go back and buy it though. Because I was like I could become a person who makes their own bath bombs with this is a family could do workshops. He is Beth homes are expensive. They're like six bucks. E no, I think you could one hundred percent to it. I would take. That course. Right. I just need to buy some molds. Couldn't use like an ice cube tray because you want you up a nice round -ness of them you want the really look like bath bombs, but they'd have recipe for an oatmeal one. I was like, oh, this looks good. Get some of those homemade bath bombs will say. Willow and sage hover all the cover lines were in that like Pinterest. I can already imagine. It's a soft calligraphy. Curses exactly willow, tree is my life. Now. Like every time I passed the magnolia table, Joanna Gaines cookbook bags Zach and other is a whole Joanna Gaines display at Barnes and noble. Gay. Anyway. So that has been my new life dating yourself like seducing yourself is such a what a sexy activity. I'm gonna try it. Riot especially because now that I'm pregnant I'm not feeling like, particularly sexy. I mean, I know I look at you. Thanks, girl. But I'm not like feeling that your body is changing. Yeah. You feel so it's nice to just sort of like getting the tub take care of yourself. Take care myself would love to know what dates listeners take themselves out or how they seduce themselves. Yeah. What else has been going on with UK? Well, daury. Yes. I had a bit of a health spiral. This. Dealing with some sort of health stuff. But it was a really good exercise in like working on my executive, and like the the the the urge I have to spiral. And instead, I tried really hard to follow like grounding practices that I knew today would make me feel better and have some control over not the health stuff on. But just control over how I'm feeling otherwise hate your trying to reframe your own narrative. Listen, and I love it. I am in cognitive behavioral therapy in a major way right now. And it's working I have to say I feel like I'm starting to implement some of the tools earnings. So, you know, so I have I had to make a bunch of doctors appointments, and I had the urge to not do it because I'm scared. But instead I called first thing this morning and made my two appointments and then like last night after kind of a tough day. I made my. Self do my gratitude practice which helped because I was I think it's very easy to list. All your the things you're grateful for when you had a great day. But when you're in a shitty day, and you're like, what am I grateful for all this hard stuff is going on? It really does help you find like, the the wonderful good chunks of your life. And then this morning, I showered I oiled my body with some almond oil. Nice. I did my lemon water. Nice lemon water. I ate a nice big breakfast. Nice. It some eggs on corn tortillas. Ooh. And then I like just took in my fresh. I put on a dress. Yeah. You let kidde tried to make myself just feel good. Yeah. And you know, I'm still feeling panicky. But I also feel like I'm in control of what I can control. And everything else will just play out. Yeah. So that was an interesting. It was an interesting kind of just observing myself. Now, I I, you know, health stuff is very scary for me. It's like where my anxiety lives in a lot of ways. So so that was the journey. I went on this weekend. So here I am. Yeah. But I feel okay. I'm glad that you kind of like re-centred. I did reframe that narrative. Fully did the reframing. Yeah. Yeah. It does help. I mean, it doesn't make anything easier. But as it does help. Yeah. So yeah, that's where I landed. Good. Thank you for asking. Of course, how did your selling of items? Go. Well. I I'm perpetually purging things your purge my house, but you know, of course, being a purge master raises. The question of why the hell did I have so much stuff to begin with? I do have to tell you every time. You do a purge. I'm amazed that you keep finding my sister has said this is well, she's like how do you have stop let you and it's like good stuff. It's not even like you're now getting rid of like your missed. No, no now, I'm getting rid of the good stuff. So this is stuff that you at first for the initial purges you held onto like I was like, no, no, no. Like, these this is too nice. Or this is I need to keep this. And now, I'm like, I never wear it. It needs to go. I just can't believe like every Perdue. I'm always like I want all of this. You can have a good. I I'll give you a discount. I'll thank you code forever. Thirty five promo code. So I there is some stuff that like I thought it would be easier to invite people over to buy stuff. It turns out people don't like show up stuff. So only a couple people came. But one of the people who came was a woman I hadn't seen in twenty years. All my gosh. Yeah. What a cool excuse to get together. So it was great to reconnect with her and she bought some makeup. I put a great like a killing two birds. And then so when the afternoon was kind of winding down, it was becoming clear that no one like another person came just to kind of say, hi, but it was clear that like no one else was going come and actually buy stuff. I was like let me just sell some stuff on Instagram. You're so good at it. But what was great is it? I had already been inspired to kind of gather all this stuff together that I wanted to get rid of. So I wasn't just sort of like cherry picking from my closet was like it was all there. So I just started selling stuff, and I sold a lot. Stuff. Like, I feel like I made a really good dent in some stuff that had like this was stuff that I've had for a lot of it with stuff I've had for a while. But I haven't worn in a long time that I was just holding onto for whatever reason really nice bags some really nice bags. Those went quick. But I just don't use them anymore. And so like, why keep them set them free and let them live another life with a new person. Exactly. So that felt really good, and you were donating part of the money that you are in to right? Yes. I was going. I'm going to donate some to every town for gun safety. What a great can another killing two birds with one stone. I'm just a one too. Yeah. I need to decide I knew decide how much nothing. But yeah. So that felt good. Happy pershing. Thank you gotta feel good as you prepare to welcome. A new person into your home to just kind of make physical space for baby. Boy, chiffre era chiffre IRA chiffre IRA. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Fire. Yeah. We both have a lot of stuff. And so it needs to kind of get. Oh. So the lesson. Most want to mention before we take a quick break is there is a new podcast out from our friends at the wing, which is a network of women's co working and event spaces in New York DC San Francisco and soon loss Angeles weight, and they have a new podcast called no-man's-land that is kind of an off shoot of their biannual magazine also called no man's land. And they are focusing on kind of like bad ass. Women sort of like bad ass forgotten women throughout history. So cool. Yeah. It's really cool. I've listened to the first episode. It's amazing by the time. This comes out there should be two episodes available. So I would encourage everyone to check that out. I will you should. And now, we're gonna take a quick break. Today's episode is sponsored by four Sigmatic a natural SuperFood company. 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I'm not always consistent with it. But I try to be fairly regular and that can be anything. I think sometimes when we think of gratitude practice, it has to be like, I'm grateful for the wind blowing through the trees. But instead it can simply be like, I'm grateful for ice in my water total and can be simple. You put ice in my water. Did I'm not trying to hint that you should be grateful for it. So grateful. I'm just I'm just saying, you know, it's sometimes I think we can feel. Self-indulgent grateful for my face, whatever it is. I'm not explaining this. Well, but I I'm just saying you can be grateful for anything. It doesn't matter. You don't to show this practice to anyone? It's really just a way to check in with yourself and reflect on the positive things that happened for you on a daily basis, I find it can be very helpful turning my perspective around especially when I'm going through a really tough time. It's not fun to to do a gratitude practice on a hard day or during a heart episode. But it does really help. It does help me see the bright spots. Even the hardest times that I'm going through. So you you have really sold me on gratitude, it, I say this a lot, and I feel like it sounds kind of dorky, but it has been really transformative for me. It is a real real way of pulling myself. I tend to get into negative space or I start to kind of panic or get really overwhelmed with anxiety or dread, and forcing myself to sit down and really review my day. And I now do it with my family every night at dinner. We have two everybody has to share a high and low or if you have no lows to highs from your day, and it just really it just really helps to talk about. I don't know. It's just it's changed me. It has changed me. So my first thing is that I have gratitude for gratitude. Yep. Grateful for my health. Okay. My family's health. Yep. Our general safety and we'll being. I'm grateful for the communities in my life that nourish and support me. I am grateful for sexy. Hot romance books. They give me swooning feelings. That's my favorite feeling in the world. I just read one that gave me this feeling. I did the like stay up to one thirty in the morning finishing the booze. Yeah. I love that feeling more than anything. So thank you, especially to sexy. Romance books that give me that feeling most of all? I mean, I'm grateful for Dory thing Sammy Sammy everyone who has helped us create this podcast and the community around it and the listeners guests who make forever thirty-five what it is. And trust us with their questions and comments and experiences and feedback and I am grateful for people in our country who work tirelessly to make this world, a safer more kind and fair place. And I'm grateful for all I've learned this year. That's very broad. But I do feel like I've learned a ton about myself the world other people it's been a very. I don't want to say transformative again, I sound like a life coach. But you know, it's been a long two thousand eighteen spin a year. Yeah. And then yes, I want to conclude by saying that I am grateful for Costco. I mean, you should be their big ass containers of organic raspberries for their coffee beans for their skin care products. For the bulk preparation H but wipes I buy there for the vitamins for the granola bars for the cheese with I mean, I could go okay. The organic male the the bubbly water, the she. Okay. So dory. That's my that was my general longer two thousand eighteen attitude list. And I'm excited to be spending. My time with my family this very very grateful for that. Well, I am also grateful for a lot of things this year. I'm grateful that knock wood IVF finally worked. I'm grateful that we have a house we have a roof over our head period. Period. I'm grateful that our landlord is installing a dishwasher and a new sink in a garbage disposal because our sink was sinking. Quite literally literally sinking. I am grateful that key more stuff keeps appearing in our neighborhood. Like, a they're they're they're building a coffee shop across the street from me. And I love living in a neighborhood that I can walk places where you can walk places because in L A, that's kind of rare the community. Yeah. Ish ish. But yeah, I'm very grateful for that. I'm grateful for my husband. I'm grateful for my dog. Even though he was very annoying on his walk this morning. I am also grateful that I'm close with my family because not everyone is that's a true gift. Yeah. Vote both physically close and also emotionally close. I'm not physically close to my family. But I am emotionally close to my family. And I'm grateful that I'm spending thanksgiving with some of them and spending thanksgiving with my sister and her family, which I'm really happy about. And I'm grateful that the Democrats took the house eight. Amen. I'm grateful for this podcast. I like it too. And for you. We'll say eight and I'm grateful for my friends. I'm grateful that you know, crippled, and I still have friends. Like, you know, we hear like, I would say friendship is one of the top three things that we hear about on this podcast. Not interesting. Yeah. And kind of navigating adult friendships is complicated, especially when a lot of your close friends live across the country, but FaceTime to the close friend yesterday who lives in New York, and that was really nice. It was like, oh, I miss her. Did you express your gratitude for said friend in your conversation? Yeah. I mean, we were both sort of like, I miss you. I love you. Also, her daughters, so cute and starting to like crawl around. Yeah. So like, I'm grateful for all of that. And I'm wondering have you expressed your gratitude, you mentioned your family. Have you told them that you are grateful for them? No. But I should. I mean, not to nudge you in that direction. But I wonder if he wrote a letter. I don't think you know. How would it be received? They'd be like what the fuck. You know? I think my I think everyone would be very touched. It just like it's so like not something that would happen in my family like at all. And I think you bring up a good point certain practices aren't great for everybody. Like, I think they would be touched and also sort of like are you okay? I did that to my dad. I wrote him. I in therapy. I talked about this this like some of the things he did for me when I was a kid. That I had never really thanked him for like when I was a teenager like once I was at a fish concert in Albany, New York, and the people I happen to be with who didn't know very well started using hard drugs, and it freaked me out who God. And I called my parents. And I was like, hey, I'm leaving Albany and driving home to Boston. This is like at eleven o'clock at night on like a random was you supposed to like stay was in a stay over at this person's house, then drive home the following morning. And I I was really uncomfortable. And my dad this was in nineteen ninety seven my dad, drove out on the mass pike and met me like they picked a rest stop and met in between. And then we caravan home together until like two in the morning, and I hadn't thought about that in years. And so I wrote him, and I wrote him this like heartfelt card, and then I got this was like banks for letter, you know, like dads. They don't write in full sentence. Yup. But I have to think hopefully. But I'm sure it felt good. So, but you know, it it felt good even. If even if he I think he did appreciate it. But it felt good to just aknowledge because I think sometimes as a kid at least for me, I happen to be a very I think a bit of a selfish kid and took for granted. A lot of the things that my parents did for me. So starting to kind of come out of that now as an adult feels good this is sounds a little selfish. But it felt nice to be like, oh, God the thing. I didn't appreciate when I was eighteen. I appreciate a lot. Now. Totally. So anyway, it worked for me, you might not want to do it. I mean, we'll see. I don't know. We'll I excited to spend thanksgiving with my sister and her family, I love your relationship with your sister. Something. Daria say, I'm grateful for it. Oh, it's cool. Seeing people model relationships. I don't have a sister. And it's I like learning from you guys. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. You have daughters who are sisters. Oh, I do. Yes. You do. And Lord help me. I'm grateful for them relationship with each other. But. Do you have specific thanksgiving traditions that you do as a family? That's a great question. It's changed, you know, because we used to go to my grandparents house and have a very talion thanksgiving with the lasagna or manicotti as my grandmother used to say, which is not any sort of pronunciation, but it was her Connecticut accent anyway, but they've passed that my mom passed away. And then a new tradition was born on my mom's side of the family and like the entire extended family gathers. So all my mom's cousins, my dad goes, and my step mom, who are they're still very much a part of my mom's family, even though my mom's passed away all these just like extended cousins and kids, and they all gather at one person's house, and unfortunately, it's a little bit hard for us to go because we live on the west coast. But that is, but I still we always face time with everybody, and I'm seeing just this huge extended. I think that's really that's really special. Even though I'm not there to be at it. Totally this year my family. My immediate family is going on a little vacation, which I think we really need some quality time together. So I'm so excited for you guys. And speaking of gratitude, I'm very grateful that we are able to have the means to do something like this because we haven't just the four of us kind of been together as a family unit, and like a relaxed way in a long time and I'm excited to make some new memories. Oh, that'll be so fun. I think so. Yeah, I'd love to hear about our listeners thanksgiving traditions to I would too and how you've made new ones. Yeah. I think what's what's tricky about traditions is sometimes it can feel weird to organically start one. Do you know what I mean? 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We are going to start things off with a bio, which is what we normally. Do. We have a guest on yours is extra special. Do you know why I don't know? Okay. Your friend. Carey shaping wrote us an Email when she found out you were going to be on the podcast, and she asked if she could write the bio for you for your. Yeah. She didn't she'd it. Oh my God. Okay. So we didn't actually write this one Kerry shape, and thanks so much for writing us, and for giving us this bio of your dear friend, Emily. All right. You're ready. I'm ready. Our guest today is writer illustrator and entrepreneur. Emily mcdowell. She is the founder of Emily McDowell studio, a stationery and gift company that helps us all say what we really mean to the people and the relationships we really have. She is the creator of empathy cards and co author of the book there is no good card for this. What to say and do when life is scary awful and unfair to people you love while all of this is impressive, it only scratches the surface of what makes Emily special, Emily is the human equivalent of your favorite, yoga pants, comfortable, cozy and irreplaceable. And just what you need at the end of the day. She is the serum of your dreams in the form of a woman, always willing. Plump up your spirit, heal your emotional blemishes. And make sure that you are glowing best version of you that you can be. I hope everyone who listens to this interview is a lucky enough to have a friend. They love as much as I love. Emily mcdowell. Okay. I'm crying. That made me weepy an I don't we just you, and I just met, and I don't know. Carrie, well Carey is the one who told me about this podcast, thanks, Kerry and Kerry washes her face because of you, oh, and because of your podcast work here started washing. I mean watching it in a in a in a detailed way, and it's changed her life. And I started washing my face, and in detailed way because carried it and told me how much it changed her life and told me about this podcast, though, you are responsible for so much face washing and life changing which is responsible for nighttime. Face washing everywhere drill contributions. One. Skin is remarkably smooth. Oh, thank you. What do you do? I mean, we will talk about your very impressive resume, but I'm happy to talk about. What is your face washing regimen? Like, what did you dive in with Hollis choice? Oh, we get a line of emails about policy. So this was a carry. This was I basically was like Kerry tell me what you do, and I will do it. And so she sent me photos and very detailed information about all of the products. And then I went and did my own little policy choice information thing like you can go on their website and tell polish choice what kind of skin you have. And what your problems are. And they will tell you what to buy. And so I use a. Well, I I use a missile or water missile. How do you say that word a we don't shake me solarzone salarmy, but that could be copy wrong? John Paul Mesa Larr. Exactly. Okay. I use that. And that I just got it like vaughn's like. Yeah. Something von's, and then I use a policy choice face wash. And then I use one of their toners. That I think is called like resist just wanting. Very on point very on brand. And then I use one of us like two percents some sort of salicylic acid or some some sort of serum which I think they're serums are great. It's really good. And then sometimes I'm feeling extra fancy. I use like a extra moisturizer on. My skin is really oily. And so generally, I'm not, hyper moisturizing, and I use their own. Now, I use sunscreen, I've lived in LA for eleven years, and I started using sunscreen just seven months ago. I know the never never, and it's this lightweight moisturizer sunscreen that they have that's that's a perfect regimen. Yeah, it's great. It's great. And it doesn't take that long. Like, it's not. No, it only takes like three minutes. Like, it sounds like a long time. But you were not a face washer before not in. A I wasn't either. Not in a very I mean, it's not that I didn't ever wash my face. But I I wasn't loyal to a product. I didn't really know what water things were supposed to go in. I didn't understand like Sierra. Like, I, you know. I just kind of would I would see something that had good packaging or I would like read something in an alarm magazine on a plane and be like, yeah, I'm going to get that. And then I would get it and use half of it, and like polish wise, I just this is my first time ever. Reordering products when they run out like that's test. Right. Like like of somebody who's committed to something. Yeah. So yes, you I follow. I followed you on Instagram for many years, and you've talked a lot about how you've kind of been taking care of yourself nurturing yourself differently. This year is that has been part of. Oh, yeah. Definitely. It definitely has been a part of it. I basically worked myself into being like a shell of a human. It was it's so interesting because people because I have this this brand that. Is really like is fun. You know, like the stuff is fun. The work is fun. And you get all the time. I get the comments like your job must be so fun. And like, yes. Like part of my job is fun. But I was up until this year the soul artist end writer and content creator. And like, you wrote all the marketing emails, and designed all the blitz as in the website and everything and then also ran the company, and so I had a lot. Yeah. It was a lot. And I had we had a warehouse in Las Vegas, and we had an office here. And I had six remote employees, and we had eight in the warehouse, and it was a it was just a it was a lot. And we went through a lot of we went through massive growth, which is very fast, which is great. But also was so challenging in that we were a different company every three months for you and a half years. And so it was every time we created and figured out how to solve the problem. The solution would be outdated like three months later and running both the wholesale and website parts of the business require totally different. Things and different staff and different thinking and resources. And so I had just gotten to a place. Sort of in the spring of this year where? I was just like running on nothing. I mean, I was I had only cared about work for five years and at the expense of everything else in my life. You know, I was unhealthy. My my like, I never saw my partner like our relationship was like, hey, high five and a hallway like it was not, you know, like every I was I would spend whole weekends asleep. Like, I was really really I was really depressed. I was really just not functioning. And when it came time to sit down and do the work, and the work is supposed to be like joyful like this is supposed to be the fun part and it felt like digging a ditch. And it's like, you know, writing some writing like a funny greeting card shouldn't feel like digging a ditch like that's not what this is. Right. And so I actually made a big change to the business model at the beginning of this year. We merged with a company called knock knock which is a gift brand gift and publisher that. It's been around since two thousand two they are much. They're still indie company, but they're larger than we are with a much more established infrastructure and a much more sabotaged wholesale business. And so that gave us the opportunity to sort of meld with their infrastructure, and to take some of that management responsibility off of me. And so now we along with a third a third smaller brand called it was formerly sisters of Los Angeles. And now, it's called people places and things and the three of us are the who's their group, and I am a equity partner and who's there, and I still run Emily McDowell studio, but we have a lot more in terms of resources and people and things people who aren't me doing things and people who aren't me helping to manage my former employees who came over and who weren't getting mentoring because I didn't know how to mentor them like we had hit my ceiling to and so it was like we were all kind of the blind leading the blind. Like, I don't know. Like, I guess we'll try this. And then we'll try that. And then we'll try this. And now they have people who can teach them in in a better way that I could teach them. And so it's it's a lot better. And so one of the things that I've been able to do even though this year has been really busy with the merger is like I took my first vacation and years, and I went to Bali for two two weeks to months, I wish two weeks two and a half weeks. And in may, and I really unplugged. It was the first vacation I've ever taken since starting this company. Almost six years ago where I didn't look at my Email every day like where I didn't work every day. Right. And I've only taken I've only taken I think to vacations period in that time. And so it it was really transformative. And it's funny because it was a relatively short period of time. Right. Like, you think two weeks is kind of like not anything, but it actually really likes. I feel like something happened to me on a cellular level while I was there some sort of shift that I came home. And there was everything felt different. Like, my nervous system felt different. I was like instead of sitting there watching TV and like twitching and picking and like not being able to focus on anything. And like having my partner we like what is wrong with you. You know, like every five minutes it was like a columnist. It was a it was a totally different. It felt like. The in my I can't even describe this very well. But it felt like the insides of me got rearranged and put back into order, and I did a lot of like I did sound healing like one on one sound healing that. But in Bali, so basically our trip to Bali was like healing one to one like we got some sort of massage or sound treatment or therapy or IRA thing or facial or something every single day. Like, that's all we we it was a friend. And I went and a friend of mine who is leads meditation retreats, and is a great friend. So she was like I'm going to be. You're like I'm gonna make sure that you do this for yourself. You had a guy I did have a guide and she'd been to Bali three times, and I'd never been. And so she she knew what to do. And she kind of booked everything. And and I was just like just you take care of it. And we'll do it. And it was amazing and Bali is a culture in which self care is really important. Like they have charts in the airport bathroom that show. You what color your P should be and aren't because they're like hydrate like in the airport bathroom like this care about like. And so there are an and so like the ball unease will they get massages twice a week as part of a self care regimen. And so it's like twelve dollars an hour for a massage. It's it's an incredibly inexpensive. When you go there as someone from the US to be able to do like three treatments a day if you want to and so that's really it was like this intensive like. Total. Switch around for me of being in my body for the first time in years. And it was like you kind of knew that you had to do total reset. Oh, yeah. I knew that. I was I didn't know how it was going to happen. Like, I was in that place where I was like, I am a I am like a disaster of a person right now. Like, I am I feel like I felt like I was living from the neck up completely like whatever was happening down. There was like it was like it was like not really a thing. Like looking down the rest of my body doing like, oh, there's an arm. Someone's arm if it's mine. And I gained thirty pounds since twenty six to in two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen from stress and starting with the election. I really think like collectively as a nation. We we that. Didn't that didn't help us are healthwise. Like, everyone I knew at gained stress wait after the election, and I just kind of kept going, and so it was I was just everything I was eating I living on sugar and like. Yeah. I was I was in a bad spot. And how did you how have you been able to kind of maintain some of those self care practices are just prioritizing your needs like that since you've come home? Because obviously. Yeah. Came home from a beautiful vacation. And now, it's like you're at your job, and you're back in your home. And I was terrified that was my biggest like I came home. And I was like how am I going to do this? And so a few things happened. I quit eating sugar at the end of my trip. And so now, it's been almost five months. And I am a person who lest you. Thank you cannot quit other. I am a person who have attempted like seven whole thirties in the past. If like whole for was a fag. Be like so good at very you're very good at I'm super good at home for but I had done one whole thirty successfully in two thousand fourteen and like white knuckling it like, you know, and and. Cheating like just not doing things, right and immediately. It was like day thirty like the bell rang. And I was like face I, and, but I'm sure. And. This time I stopped eating sugar. And it was literally it was I noticed it was like, oh, I've gone a day and a half without eating sugar. What if I just keep going because I've also been having I I'm forty two. And I I'm in the massive paramount pas, which is happening a little early for me based because of the chemo that I had twenty years ago, and my symptoms have been real bad. And that was another thing that's been happening. These last couple of years is like just everything from the brain fog massive mood, swings like confusion thinking you're going insane. What? Nights wets, like waking up having to change my shirt like three times like really, intense stuff and. I can't do bio identical hormones or any thing like that because of medical history. So I was just kind of like. Okay. Like, I guess this is gonna just no one can tell me when this will. And so I guess I'm just gonna live with us. And you know, and. But then I was reading about how quitting sugar, and and all the things you don't wanna do like. Basically whole thirty style eating which is like whole foods, and no processed food and no alcohol, and no sugar and all the things that you sound that sound totally on fun. Helps with symptoms. That's like one of the very few things that actually helps. And so I was feeling motivated by that to like, I'm gonna just I'm going to just stop and see what happens and for whatever reason. It hasn't been hard. And I don't know why. I don't I wish I could explain it. I wish I could. I wish I could bottle it and explain it not just because I would become a billionaire. But I, but because it's I would not have believed you if you'd ever said, you'll quit sugar and like everything like Honey maple syrup like all everything except fruit like, you'll quit sugar. You'll quit drinking and that's inclu includes hall to. Yeah. I've had a couple of glasses of wine like my twentieth. College reunion happened like two weeks into this. And I was like. And so I did drink a little bit then. But I really I've had a couple of glasses of wine here and there, but for the most part sugar was a bigger problem for me than alcohol, Mike, I wasn't a huge drinker before. So just saying no to most of it hasn't been that big of a deal, but the sugar was has been a really big deal. And so. And I was already gluten free. So it's already like, you know. So the restrictions felt the restrictions. Have always felt like oh, that's too much. But for whatever reason, I don't know why it was like my body was like you. Nope. Like, it was like a self preservation instinct, kicked in like, no, you got to you got to figure this out and my the symptoms. All of the the paramount house stuff has gotten so much better. Like, I would say at least a seventy five percent improvement. Oh that must be such a relief such a relief. And so that is a motivator. You know as much as anything else to keep going. I really think my skin has gotten way better. I really think that's a results of no sugar. I've lost some way seventeen pounds or something over five months, which is which is great. My husband. It's been doing. This has been has been eating similarly and has lost like forty five. And so I'm like. I know. But you know, he's a dude. And like that's what outright so he's like wearing his clothes from college. And I'm like, oh, cool. Good for you on me. But, but yeah, it's it's it's been it was really just it was really a shift of I had to decide. My inner peace and my personal happiness have to come. I like they have to and my health and. It's a choice that I have that. I am continually that you have to make seventy five times a day. You know, like to say do not work isn't important. But this thing is the most important thing. And so the rest of the choices that I make are going to support my health I and my mental state and my physical state and everything else gets woven in around that instead of. I can fit I'll fit health and sometime later, you know, like, which was my attitude for so long, which is just like, a totally different mindset, totally different mindset. And so I've been working with a coach like I've been I've been really like in it and and reading a ton of bucks doing a lot of work doing what of spiritual work. Actually, you talk about that. Because I. We saw it on your instincts. I remember when you. When I liked him out. Reread that posts last night. And it was great. We're like there's stuff you might have noticed that I'm a little different in. It's because I'm like deep diving into spirituality, and I would love to hear if you're open to sharing. I would love to hear more about that. What you're reading what brought that on. And how how it's impacted you. Yeah. So I have been it's so I was raised totally not religious and religion was never a part of my life. I didn't I was atheist agnostic. It was just like I come from like an east coast intellectual family. So it was like not a thing. And I have been interested in. Basically the central question of like who I am. And what I'm supposed to be here for like what my purpose is for for quite some time. And actually in two thousand eleven I started a spiritual psychology program at the university of Santa Monica, which is here in LA, and they do an online program to and they've been around for like twenty five years and at the time it was a two years master two year master's program. And I think they've changed it since since then, but. It was a it was this intensive basically exploration of who am I? What what is my purpose? What is this universe all about? And what is the role of something bigger than me? Whether it's whether you call it God or spirit or energy, or whatever what is that thing. And how does that impact me and how and how do I live with it and work with it? And what is it? And it was a great program. And I went I went to it because I had quit my job in advertising. And I didn't know what I was going to do with the rest of my life. And what ended up happening was really as a direct result of. Going of what I was learning in this program about stripping back. And remembering who I was and like unlearn a lot of the things that I had learned throughout my life. As a result of living in this culture and unloading that in going back to what do I love? What why am I here? Yeah. That was what starting company came out of like it that was that will any worse. So we had at work. Actually, it was what was what turned into a company and because and it was like cool. This is great. This is amazing. This is why I did that like I did this to figure this out and a lot of people. It's a it was a program was so interesting. It was in its in my class. I think the youngest person was twenty one and the oldest woman was eighty. Wow, man, and people came for all different reasons. And I think the the majority of people were mid-career successful in one had been really successful as a lawyer or accountant or whatever and saying what else is there like this? I climb the ladder. I did what I thought I was supposed to do to make me Abby. And it didn't. Really like it didn't pan out that ladder was like leaning against the wrong wall or the ladder lead nowhere. And like, what am I supposed to actually do? And I was in that camp and the company got so busy that I had to drop out of the program. Like, I basically had those the company took off really quickly and I had to choose. Okay. Do I put all this energy into this company or do I say? Okay. Great. I'm going to honor this I'm gonna honour this program and finish out this two years. And I decided at the time that I should take advantage of the momentum of the company and that if I wanted to finish the program, I could always go back and do that and finish the second year, which I didn't actually end up doing not because it wasn't great. But because I've been just neck deep in the company since two thousand twelve q toggle little bit about the early days of the company like what kind of lead you to even start. Yeah. Well, it wasn't a company. It was I was freelancing and advertising. I was in this program on the weekends. And I started writing and illustrating comics and going back to the stuff I like to do as a kid, which was that. And so you'd never done that proportionally. No, no, no. I was creative writing major in college. But it was pre computer like cork, I graduated from. In nineteen ninety eight. And so the and I was an art minor. But it was like fine. Art, like, it was you know, I did like fiber art, which super employable. Creative writing and fiber. Art, major please, hire me and computer, it wasn't like computer designed or anything. And so I learned I learned that through being an art director and advertising, and then be and then had become a writer and advertising realized that that I that I liked that better. And so I, but I'd never done any kind of my own stuff professionally and so I just started a tumbler blog, and and started posting the stuff for my friends. Really? And people started saying I would buy that like I would buy that. I would you know, you should you should sell those things. And so I was also lettering and lettering, then wasn't a huge trend. There was a Merrick. Eight mcdevitt was doing it. And Jessica hitch was doing it. There are few people. But it wasn't like it is now. And so I started lettering and drawing and Pinterest was just getting started. And so back, then you could put something on Pinterest and. Just by virtue of it being up there. People would repent it because the volume of traffic wasn't as high as it is now, and so you could put something up, and if and if it was interesting to people it would spread and they would repent it. And so I started doing that. And I was like, okay. This is people are liking what I'm doing. Like, this is cool. This is this maybe could be a thing. And so I opened on Nazi store, and I couldn't think of a good name for it. And I just wanted to open it. So I just called it my name, which is the reason like to this day that the company's me not the best idea turns out. But yeah, I had an see store, and I saw prince for awhile that I just printed on a fancy Epson that I bought and shipped out, and I couldn't and I really wanted to do cards. But I felt I I was not a business person. You know, I had not run a business. And I was an I was like why how can I make money on something that costs like three dollars? You know? And yeah, when I can make this I can take the same art and put it on a print and sell it for twenty five dollars. Like, why would I sell it for four dollars? And then I. Then I learned a little bit about sending it to a printer and life. You know, what could happen? And and but really what the impetus was it wasn't even that to start doing cards was. Really starting to feel like. I don't even know if I'll ever make money doing this. But this is what I, but there I feel like there's an opportunity to say something that isn't being said in this world, and I'd always had trouble. Finding cards at the store that felt like they actually spoke to the relationships. I had like they were always really gushy poems about mothers day or the the look like the boyfriend cards were never appropriate for like, whatever weird as relationship. I was in an so Valentine's Day was coming up. And I it was like, you know, what I've never seen a card that is to give to the person that you're like kind of dating, but not really and Valentine's Day comes and you're like shit, like do I give them a normal card, and then give them a speech? Like, this isn't that big of a deal. Like here you go. Or do. I not get them anything. And then that's weird. Because what if like if they give me something laying and like, should we knowledge this do we not like, how do we what how do we deal with that? And that's like there are so many like millions of people in relationships like that. Yeah. Valentine's Day who don't know what to do. And I'd never seen a card that was appropriate for that. And so I made one that was basically the text of the speech that you give to somebody when you would hand them normal guard like I know we're not like together or anything, but it felt weird to not say anything. So I got you this card, and it was just a little thing at the end like the whole little sort of ranch. And at the end of just says forget it like really little letters. And I put it in my out to shop, and I figured and I had like one hundred printed at a local printer because that's the that was the lowest number I could make and I felt like maybe I'll you know, if I sell five of this those five people are going to be so psyched, like, I don't know if I don't know if people will see this. But I, but I felt really confident that if people did see it they would buy it. But the piece of it that I could felt like I couldn't control. Will people see this like who knows? I don't know. And what happened was at sea. Put it on their Facebook page. And that and that was before the algorithm changed like remember when brands didn't have a different algorithm as regular people. And you know, they just anyone that followed at sea would see its posts. And this was during that time. And so it ended up being at sees most shared and most liked post of that whole year. Oh, my go- shared it. Yeah. And they and it was like on everywhere from like Cosmo dot com to the it was on the front page of read it it was on like it was on funnier die like it was it went just super super viral, and I had basically a week to ship them becomes. I didn't really think about the timing. Like, you think about you have to ship a Valentine like if you if someone buys a card for me right thing to ship it the day before because they have to get it. You know? So you have to stop shipping at like a week are more in advance of the holiday, and so I basically had one week. To sell these things. And I ended up selling seventeen hundred of them only my God one by one like you were doing all the shipping yourself. I was in. I didn't even have a room in my house. I mean, I had I had like a laptop in my living room. I was and so I was buying envelopes at paper source like I was like, I don't know. Like, I don't know how to do this. And I just kept calling the printer because I didn't know how many more to print, and I'm to be like one hundred more one hundred more than that became like, I guess do three hundred more because it just kept going, and there were guys that were ordering like ten of them, which was so funny God, and like creepy, and like, you know, and then and I had guys that were like, and it was really cute there were there were like several guys actually the bought to that that support a note in that into like notes to sell are saying, I'm buying an extra in case. I screw up the first one, oh, which I thought was so cute since we, and they were and there was like people trying to order them from like, South Africa and let you know and like. And like where it would it would take a month to ship it. And I was like you guys just print it out. Like don't stress out about this. The shipping is going to be dollars. You know, like, this is a piece of paper. I appreciate your enthusiasm. But but so it was nuts. And it was like round the clock that week, and my my stepson was like seven at the time six, and he was like putting cards and together. Like, it was just it was it was like mayhem. And but at the end of that week, it was like, okay. I think I'm onto something here. And I think that I could figure out a way to do this. Because I know that I have a lot of things to say. And I it feels like the audience is here. And so it's a matter of figuring out the logistics of this thing, and I think I'm up for that challenge. And so that was the beginning of it and having gone through that, and then that has grown into a company, and then you've merged did you do you feel like through that experience that you did find your purpose? I feel like part of it. Yeah. I found part of it. I think there is going to be. There is going to be another stage that is that is that is coming that. I think is going to be more about one of the things that I'm really excited about with what's coming next. And with the merger is that we are. We're going to be bringing in some other artists and other writers and other people to do both like. Licensed collections and other artists and writers to work under this brand. And there there may be there are some changes in the works that I can't quite announce yet. But that are that are super exciting in that direction. And we have a big collection launching in January with a with an artist who I can't say yet. But as a friend of mine who I'm super super excited about and one of the things that that's this move is going to allow me to do is be more of a. More of like, a host of a variety show and a curator and a creative director, then actually executing all of the work. And so I'm really excited to I have this platform that we built and to be able to be like everyone. This is dorrie look how awesome Dory is like go, check out Dory's collection. Go check out Cates collection. Go check. Today, and I'm really excited about moving more in that direction. And then also at the same time, then being able to do more podcasting. Do more writing do more speaking. I wanna do another book. I wanna do, you know, they're all of these things that I wanna do that go beyond making products. And so I'm really excited that it looks like I'm going to have the opportunity to do those things which is great. That's cool. I wanted to find out what what you're kind of daily spiritual practices aren't because we talked about. Yes. Taking that intensive yes, not promoters program. What do you do go to kind of ground yourself? So Jolla, here's what I do. I get I quit watching TV period. Like for the most part like period for four months. And then now I watch like maybe an hour a week. And it's really mindful. Like, what do you watch will right now? Right now mindful. I watched bachelorette, exactly. Was here. It was a spiritual one I'm wanting. No, it's not about the mind. It's just I choose. I'm not just like it's not just like consuming like whatever on TV. But right now right now, we're watching the newest season of insecure. Yeah. Which is great. And so it's like this is something I really wanna to walk. It's not just like bachelor in paradise or something Random House, hunters Marathi. Exactly. Right. Right. Like, I'm not right. No one's not watching people flips something like, whatever. How chip and Joanna. Yeah. Now that it's not great. But it was like, okay. I have to be. It's basically been a really really like strict is the wrong word might like purposeful. Curation of my time. Selective? Selective? Right. Select curated my time. And so I get up. I write in a journal most mornings some mornings, I don't do it. But I try to do it. I I work at the office three days a week Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday, which is a long commute for me. Which is why I'm only in the office two days three days a week. And then Monday, Friday, I work from home. And so every day includes journal journaling, which I had not done for years, and I'm back into and I really liked doing it. And I and I do not let myself read it once I've written I can go back and read it like a couple of weeks later. But like my tendency because I've been writing to to turn it into something for so long like the re the the the synapses in the path in my brain is writing in like, monetization or connected. And so it's like can I what do I turn this? What will this become and it's like, no, just right? Just right terrible. Crap. Like, you don't it doesn't have to become anything. It doesn't have to be don't have to have a higher purpose for this writing. Just just right to right. And so I do that. I meditate sometimes five minutes sometimes like up to half an hour. Guided meditations are great like I think that a lot of people think that guided meditations are somehow like cheating more like that. They're less like that. They're like less effective or that like in order to be a real meditate or you have to like sit there, you know. On a hard cushion and just be with your brain. And actually, that's totally not true. Like the effects are the same. Whether you're doing that or or or or listening to somebody and I find that guided meditations. Especially in the beginning. When I was learning to do it were so helpful in terms of having something else to focus on and getting out of my thoughts. And being able to feel like I was connecting in that way. Do you have an app or like a program that yes, I love insight timer? I tried to do head space. But I didn't like how you had to head space. Kind of makes you listen to things sequentially and you have to like unlock things by doing other things. And I was like that's too many rules. I wanna be heavily listen, and it's like this, and it may be different now. But it was like this one guy. And I was like I like I like to listen to a lady and I liked like, I just had like different. I had different. I wanted to do different things. And so I love the insight timer app because you can do a guided meditation or you can also like have it just time you and do and you can put bells at certain intervals like sometimes I'll do. A practice that gosh, I think it I think it was like Tony Robbins or somebody that I I heard about it where it's like you do three minutes of gratitude, and then a bell rings to signal that that to shift shift you're thinking and then three minutes of manifestation of like feeling into the things that you want to create in your life and then three minutes of. Like loving kindness like sending loving out into the world. And I really liked that practice. And that feels like because it also feels like when you have something to focus on in your brain. Instead of just your breath. I find that's really helpful in terms of quieting the rest of my mind and having the time, you know, and not just feeling like I'm sitting there. Waiting for the time to go buy or like trying to get out of that crawling mind feeling. What else do I do? I'm working with a woman, Robin rice who is who's who's amazing like she's a she's a shaman, and she is author and she is. Like us. I don't know how to describe her spiritual leader elder. The wisest person I've ever met in my life like basically every like, and I just working with her has been so helpful, and we talk we Skype twice a week. And. Are working on sort of a project a project together. That's basically. Helping me. Figure out the next iteration of my voice in the world. And also helping me learn to. Let go of a lot of the habits that I had created that. We're not serving me and replace them with habits that do serve me and. A lot of that is connecting spiritually and learning to trust my intuition and learning to trust. I'm not like I sounds like such a cliche thing to say like trust the universe because I certainly I'm not going to be one of those people that says, well, everything happens for a reason. But I what I do think is that shitty things happen. And that. It's of course, you're gonna feel shitty about them like that's human, and that's normal. And like that's a that's of course. But that you also then get to decide what that experience ultimately is going to mean for you. And how you're going to use what you learned in that experience. And you it doesn't mean that you say, oh, I'm glad this person. Do you know like it's not like, oh this person died, and so therefore have to turn it into this like? Internalize it and turn it into this positive thing. But it's more about this thing happened, and I get to choose now. What I do moving forward, and how that affects me, and how that and really and really making conscious choices and understanding. The space between. Action and reaction so taking that taking taking that pause and being able to respond instead of react and. Cultivating. Which which helps, cultivate, detachment from emotions and helps, cultivate, like because for me when I'm really driven by emotions all the time. Like, that's not great like, it, it it it contributes to depression, and it contribute like it contributes to exile. And and so a lot of the spirituality stuff for me is about learning how to take a step back and. Get quiet in my body and feel an and feel into my life like. On. It's it's so much on learning. It's so much on learning. I feel like I'm not explaining it. Very well. And I think one of the things one of the things that's really hard. I find explaining spirituality, really, really difficult and. One of the challenges that I have for myself is to is to figure out how to explain what I'm learning right now in a way that other people can understand and people who are turned off by the concept of spirituality because the concept of spirituality comes with a lot of like weird baggage or like, oh, I don't want another book with a rainbow on the cover. And and unlike it's just it just sounds like me m- city, you know, and a lot of people saying like love yourself, and you're like cool. How the hell do I do that, you know, and? One of the big challenges that I'm posing for myself that I'm that. I'm excited about is starting to write into that space of. Not that. I can tell you how to love yourself. But I can tell you how I'm learning to love myself. And maybe that will help you, Emily. This was amazing. And you're amazing. Thank you. So happy to be here. Yeah. It was just so great to talk to you. And we love everything that you do. So thank you. Love your heart, your heart sent so many of your cards drank out of so many of your mom. Where can people find you people can find us online at Emily McDowell dot com? They can also find us at fifteen hundred or so retailers, and there is if you go to the footer of Emily McDowell dot com, you there's a big there's a retailers link that has an orange and people can click that and look up by city and state where retailers are locally retailers won't always carry the same like the whole the only place to get the whole whole selection is on our website, and we do free shipping over thirty five dollars. Just throwing that out there. But yes retailers are also great if you wanna just pick something up locally, please do thanks so much. Thank you again to carry. Yeah. That amazing by love you carry Jake. Ben. Thank you carry Jason. So kate. Yes. How did good old honoring the cold go? Well, I did shoot. You a text message on Saturday. Do a lot of we do a lot of texting we do. And I was I said something the lines of like I just woke up from a three hour nap. It's so I'm I'm so discombobulated, and you reminded me you I believe you were also like I'm so annoyed. Like, you you expressed knowing I felt like I had wasted the. Yes, exactly. But I've been really tired and feeling really rundown in the nap did feel great. And you reminded me that I said I was going to honor my stupid, cold Kate. This is honoring your coal. I this cold has been chugging along for two weeks. Now, I've had it for a while still don't feel great. But I did slow down a little bit. So I guess I did honor Michael good. Yeah. I I don't normally. I normally kind of try to plow ahead when I'm sick. Yeah. And it can be hard to slow down. But I did it. Hopefully, how is your. Your gift figuring out going for your husband. I haven't landed on the gift yet. But I have started doing some perusing. I'm sorry. I feel like I'm like circling around the gift. Do you? Give yourself a deadline for when you wanna have all your holiday gifts purchased by. Nope. Okay. Then. I guess the actual holiday. In the past. I've been known to try to do it all like a couple days before which is not the best. I'd use that overnight shipping. And yeah, like that like run out to the mall. I mean, it's just it's too hectic. Remind me to you and Matt exchange gifts at Hanukkah at Christmas or at both like we exchange gifts at Christmas. So this will be a Christmas we commemorate Hanukkah, and I think like when we have kids I would like to actually like do Hanukkah, but no right now, we just do Christmas. And usually we got our actually now I'm thinking about it. We usually get our Christmas tree over thanksgiving weekend. So we'll probably get it. We're coming home Saturday. We'll probably get it Sunday. You do a fresh tree. We do a fresh tree. I know you have a great fake tree. I love my. And I never thought I would be a fake tree lover. But I love this. Maybe this is the year, we just bite the bullet and. Get the fake tree. It's a it's expensive. I mean, it was like two hundred dollars. Yeah. But by trees are expressive tree. I feel like every year. I feel like we spent we've spent over one hundred dollars at home. And like we go to Home Depot and get the tree we're not going to like fancy artisanal Christmas tree farm, willow and sage Christmas. I I will say the cool thing about my fake tree. If you are eight Christmas celebrator is that it switches light color. So I can either have white lights or colored lights. Ooh. And you don't have to buy separate Lilo the lights come on the tree. Switches to whatever your mood is lights on his so annoyed. The worst. Are we getting fake tree? You got to Costco, right? Chorus, nor I remember you told me, you know, I live in a Costco. Right. I'm gathering. No. I mean to fair you also do you live much closer to Costco than is. There's a Costco, seven minutes from my. Yeah. So, but it's this is getting when like I haven't been to Costco, and so long, but usually we'll do because we're kind of equidistant from the atwater, Costco, and the Burbank Cosco. So we'll usually like plug it into ways and see which one is quicker depending on the time of day. Can really vary. It's true. So just want to welcome one in Alta Cosco. So dory. What is your intention for this thanksgiving week? Well, you know, I think I just want to kind of be in the moment with my family. You know, I I know that that is kind of similar to your intention, but let's have matching attention. Yeah. I just you know, I just wanna be grateful that I'm able to travel to see my family that I'm able you know that I am close with my family. I want to spend some time with my nieces, and you know, my older niece is going to be three in January. So she's starting to be a real. Person, you know, Mike, I don't know. Maybe we'll like baked cookies or something you totally will get to spend quality during other. The my younger knees is turning. It's like a real cute chunky baby. I just want to like, yeah. So I'm very excited. What about you? Mine is very similar. I'm going to be on a vacation with my family, and I would like to disconnect from social media and just focus on I put us, but just like be really present in the moment. I enjoy each other's company. Whether we're squabbling or having are having the best time ever live. It'll take social media off. My that's what I was thinking, you know, just really tried to to be present. And also just slow my my brain down a little bit. But like, you just really appreciate the fact that we get to spend this time together. So thank you listeners. If you are not you celebrate the thanksgiving holiday. We are grateful for you. We hope you're having a lovely day. And as a reminder, you can always reach us at seven eight one five nine one zero three nine zero and our Email is for thirty five podcast at g mail dot com. You can join our Facebook group Facebook dot com slash groups slash forever. Thirty five podcast the password is serums. And if you like the show, we would really appreciate you leaving us a rating or even a review on apple podcasts. It helps people find the show. And if you mentioned us on the social media outlet of your choice. We are also very grateful for that. And for thirty-five is hosted and produced by Dory. Chiffre hearing Kate Spencer and produced an edited by someone we're very grateful for Sammy Hunia, thanks for listening.

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Dorie Greenspan and Joy the Baker Make Some Magic

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Dorie Greenspan and Joy the Baker Make Some Magic

"Hey everyone. Welcome to Radio Cherry bonds the podcast it's all about women and food. I'm your host carry diamond. Taking a little time off. Into the archives for our latest episode, we're bringing you a conversation with two of our favorite people Dorie Greenspan enjoy the baker. Joy. Interviewed, Doriot at last year's Cherry Bomb Jubilee Conference in Brooklyn and it was a lot of fun hearing and seeing them together. Speaking of Dory, we have some good news to share jewelry is a grandmother for the first time congratulations to Dory and her family baby Jemma, no doubt has an epic birthday cakes in her future. Thank you to the folks at Sonos for supporting today's show. Stay tuned to hear about my experience with the new Sonos move. What else we have a brand new section of Cherry, bomb dot com to check out it's called members corner and we're celebrating official members of the bomb squad. You can check out remember spotlights plus the products, services and cookbooks from our talented friends. Here's one I. Love La Vida Verde Plant based Mexican cooking with Authentic Flavor by Joslyn Ramirez. It's a great addition to your cookbook collection. If you'd like to become an official member of the bomb squad visit Cherry bomb. Dot Com to learn more. We'll be right back after this word from Sonos. have. You ever wished your home was wired with great sound I. Know I have and the folks had Sonos have made my wish come true. They recently sent me their Sonos Move Premium Portable Smart Speaker to road test and I'm an audio heaven with great sound in every single room I just pick up my Sonos move and go for my bathroom to my kitchen to my Home Office also known as my living room I can control everything I listen to write from the SONOS APP on my phone and Switzer my favorite new wave playlists to the podcast I listened to cook clean workout, or vigil. Probably more edging out than working out but whatever. I love the crystal clear sound and the rich base, and I also loved how easy my Sonos move was to set up I charged it downloaded the SONOS APP and set everything up in about five minutes for those of you with back yards or Patios or pools you can take your Sonos, move outside or invite me over and I'll bring mine. The long lasting battery provides up to eleven, hours of sound and bonus. The speaker is weather resistant. Wants to surround yourself with beautiful sound. Maybe it's time to make a move go to SONOS DOT COM to learn more. Now for Dory and joy introducing them as Christina. Co Founder and Co owner of macaroni Parlor and meow parlour in New York City. I'm so excited everyone came up to hear me talk. So my name's Christina, I have two main interests, cookies and cats. And I do both for a living I've bakeries called macaroni parlor. Then there's meow Parlor New York's first cat cafe. UNAI throw the cat equivalent of this jubilee. Call Jackson Galaxies Cat camp. I'm a lucky person. I have a wonderful family. I have amazing friends. I've great employees have helped over five hundred cats fine homes. However things weren't always this way. The loneliest period of my life was about ten years ago. I'm not sure what I was looking for when I moved to. New York but I knew I was afraid to stay in the suburbs and afraid that I would just settle. As a teenager I didn't know what saddling was I didn't know if it meant fulfilling the dreams of my immigrant parents by becoming a lawyer or it was choosing a path because it seemed easy. I don't know why but I had felt uneasy for a very long time. So I just kept busy. I graduated college in three and a half years then went back to school to get an associate's and then back to school to learn how to sew instead of pursuing higher education as just signing up for school for the sake of filling my time I took internships and eventually jobs and my dream companies to around one day and wonder why I didn't fit in. I'm introvert who felt so uncomfortable in a city of eight million people that I was thinking to myself. It was my mom who encouraged me to sign up for my first speaking in class. At that point, she knew I would never be a doctor or a lawyer and she knew what unhappiness look like she told me that when I was in preschool a weekly baking class news my favorite thing in the world she knew I was lonely than to partly because they didn't speak a lot partly because I didn't understand what people were saying and partly because they constantly felt like other. But food has no language. Barriers knows my favorite part of the school week. So as an adult I started to take baking classes. Over time late nights of anxiously waiting for the night to end and the next workday to begin turned into hours spent on the floor with my feet propped up against the oven watching breads, rise cookies, Caramel lies and magic happen. Finally something felt right. I'd spent. So long chasing a shadow, they never stopped to look at what was in front of me that in a city with thousands of restaurants, fast casual joints and cafes. The thing that made me happiest could be a career I went all in. I use a recession as an excuse to shrug and say, the dust job wasn't going anywhere anyway within a year. I was in pastry school met my now husband who's over there and we started macaroni parlor. But anyone who has opened a business knows the first few years are still lonely. You don't have time to socialize because you're understaffed. You're afraid to step out because replaced my burn down in fifteen minutes you're gone. And you go to sleep. So late that you wake up tired but that kind of loneliness didn't her purpose and it was tangible and things felt right. During this period I didn't have many friends, but I had the Internet. I used to write about my life about owning a business and the things I was learning. I didn't write for an audience I wrote because for the first time in a long time idol. And so I wrote into the abyss of the Internet. Much to my surprise. It spoke back. If you love New, York has a cat cafe. It only exists because my business partner sent me a fam- letter five years ago. And I was so touched that I hired her to work in my kitchen. Someone who works for me? Now read my blog when she was in. Pastry? School Last month someone from Australia message me to say that she thought me recently because you starting her own business. I haven't written for many years now because I'm not lonely. But there are still people out there looking. It made me realize that we're all looking for some connection. It's what makes us alive Dory understood this years ago before we had twitter and instagram that will food is a necessity. It's so much more than that. It's about people. It's about connecting with others about memories and experiences. Her cookbooks were the first. I had ever read that included stories about a recipe. Thirteen cookbooks in Dory's invited people all over the world in some of the greatest kitchens and more recently into our own kitchen. I I found founder through her world peace cookies name because they are good enough to bring world peace. Then, there was Tuesday's with Dory where people connected with each other from their own homes by blogging matter recipes, entire communities sprung out of doors writing and everyone who participated how their own story to tell she helped people create memories. Today we have so many more tools at our grass to allow sustain touch to meet new people to double tap or Swipe. Right. We can invite people to peek into our kitchens with photos taken out on a phone or quite literally like joy invite people to cook besides us in our actual kitchen joys. One of those people who figured out a way to combine storytelling food and the desire to connect both on and offscreen using these new tools. She gets it our it'd be surprised that's helping out someone who is lonely today. Food has stories to tell people to feed, and they'll look forward to listening to these women talk about their careers, the human element of food and how social media has impacted the landscape their first cookbook to now. Dory was one of the first people in the food industry. I men in a mentorship program and for years she sent me words of encouragement every few months I'll get an email from her about something. She saw that she wanted to share or to see if I was practicing self care. Or just to send some love. Doria was one of my first friends is an adult and she claimed she had nothing to teach me. She may not know this the much of what I've learned from her has shaped entirety of my career. So with that off my chest, I'm so happy for everyone here to listen to the Magic to come because I know it's going to be so beautiful in you. I'm going to start off my conversation with Dory today by telling her story. So I was saying in two thousand six, I was working as a baker in two bakeries. I wasn't joy the baker. So it was funny that I was a baker in two bakeries because I was an enthusiastic home. Baker. And I had finagled my way into to baking jobs because I realized that if you like to bake and you will get to work at three thirty in the morning you're hired you know. So I would get to work at two thirty in the morning and start baking. Because a lot of times, I would mess things up and have to throw them away. So then at three thirty, when real bakers came in I'd be like, Hey, guys just starting fresh. Just here ready. That happened a lot I ruined so much chocolate Mousse. Okay. I'll get to it. Wait matching you in this bakery like coming prepared with extra black bags to throw. Yes right and. After I get off of work I would go home on the way home. There was a bookstore and in the bookstore was your baking from my home to yours. And I couldn't afford to buy it but I would sit in the aisle and copy down your few recipes word for word. It's no problem. And then I would take the notebook to the bakery at two thirty in the morning and try some of your recipes and what was so that wasn't the one that didn't work was it. That you know they always. And what was so wonderful to me about that book is that your technique was so helpful but it was written from the perspective and from the heart of a home Baker, and so I could take it to this new job in a place where I was making friends with my fear and I got so much comfort and skill from it and I bought the book. I eventually could afford it. I had to save a, but but the mother, and me is thinking if only I had known this I would have since you the book. Story. Don't do that. People need to buy books. So. Yeah. So I wanted to tell you that story and then ask you thank you. Ask you how your kitchen journey started and what were the books that maybe you held close to your chest as you were embarking on your journey from. Home Baker to professional person Home Bega Home Baker. Yeah. No I I am a home bigger nitrous. I worked with Julia Domna answering your question but I will call okay. So I had the amazing amazing good fortune to work with Julia. Child in the nineties I wrote baking with. Julia. which was the book that accompanied her TV series and we would shoot every day and one day Julius said I want to play Hooky we'd play Hooky with me. and. So I had I still have it a little MIATA, which is like a car the size of a Jelly Bean holdaway. You have a Miata a red one. Red One. And it's it was it's a convertible but Julia. You couldn't you couldn't take the top down because her hair and Julia had sized twelve or thirteen feet, and so I kind of had to plead her to get her into the car but this isn't. But this isn't the story I want to tell you so. Julia said, let's play Hooky IRA her into the car. Her idea of Hooky is going to the supermarket. And so we're shopping around she's helping people choose a good Mellon and at some point she turned to me and sheep put her arm around me. She's six feet tall and she said, you know we make such a good team. And I was really touched and she said, we make a good team because we're just a couple of home bakers. And even after all the Julia had done and all the Chia taught all of us she really thought of herself as a home. Baker and I have never stopped thinking of myself. And so I burnt my parents kitchen down when I was twelve I wasn't GonNa do this very quickly I wasn't allowed to be I got married when I was nine, thousand, nine, hundred I'm still married to Michael Greenspan. And I learned to cook and Bake Because I. I learned to Cook Because I had to and I learned to bake because I really wanted to and I my book the book that is. Tattered and has spots I thought they were chocolate I have no idea what they are. They're all over the place. Is Me to hear she was my does it does anybody know mediator? So she was my hero everything. I made from her books worked her directions were so. When I started writing about food. I had made it in my my head she was. She taught me to Bait. What is your favorite thing of hers to Bake? Do you have a favorite? She had lemon cake in her first book that I made four. I made it every year for. Our son's teachers for their Christmas gift. I made it for pot lots. made it for everything and when her. The paperback version came out that recipe wasn't there and. One book later she wrote and she said, here's my revised version. She said I can't figure out why didn't work but people started writing to heard this was writing that in and it didn't work and she retest it and she claimed that it didn't work because there were demons. I live in New Orleans and Their demons, every demons and ghosts are everywhere. So I learned I learned to bake from meter from guests on the note when his first he's a he's now dead but I think is the father of modern pastry and when his book was first translated into English. That was that was my book. Do you write in your cookbooks? Do I write my own cookbook? No I know you. Yes. I do right in my cookbooks. Yeah. I make notes ice I had my first cookbook. I got when I was twelve years old. So like one of those paperback church cookbooks and in it every time I made a certain recipe I, write the date and right my thoughts about it. Opens journaling and my cookbook and I still have that book has lots of took. My Mother didn't make when my parents moved to Florida. My mother called me. She was so excited she to ovens and I said but you don't Cook or bake. She said Moore Storage. So I never had I I didn't have a cookbook until I got married and it was the New York Times Cookbook. That's it's my first bill. What was food like for your family when you were growing up so my father owned a supermarket. So there was plenty of food nobody ever wanted to cook it, and so there was a housekeeper in the housekeeper cooked I don't remember my mother cooking I have no memories of my mother's cooking or my father I have new favorite dishes from childhood. And I think. Now as I look back, it seemed perfectly normal to me I. Didn't know anything else but I realized this I think back on. How important it was for me to make a home when we got married and for me home meant being at the table having friends at the table I. Think it came from. A kind of. Deprivation in but it wasn't but I was happy I. You know I hear you but you want it's like a way of nurturing. You're building a way of nurturing your relationships and Romantic and friendship and everything I know that I. I'm sure I didn't know what I was doing but boy I'm glad I did. Because it is it is about having. Through food that we make relationships in that, we make memories that last in case you didn't hear me like singing happy birthday from the rooftops yesterday our son turn forty yesterday and it was birthday cake and it was looking at pictures of him blowing out. Candles. Three candles, twenty candles making the same cake that I've made for him for years and years and years. What is that cake So it's a chocolate cake tweaked it a little bit to make it a little less sweet. It's a dark chocolate cake with butter buttermilk cake in it. Scott Chocolate frosting and it can hold lots more than forty candles. I'll make your ready. Do you make. Okay. I have a lot of questions I want to ask you. But since we're talking about birthday cakes, do you make your own birthday cake? Do you. Yes. Is that because you don't trust anybody else. Who makes your birthday cake and what is it? So it's interesting, I was so set on it's not interesting. It's just it is. I was so set on having traditions. Because I didn't grow up with them. But I have no particular birthday king now now. I mean Joshua has his chocolate king. Okay I want to ask you about. Food writing because I think you are such a beautiful food writer. How did you transition from? Your work in the kitchen to writing about food. I started as a writer. So I went to Graduate School I'm all but dissertation for a doctorate in Gerontology the study of aging about which I can tell you more now than I could have one I was in graduate. School. And I worked in a research center for many years grading and I think and I was very lucky. I work for someone who really encouraged me right and who was a good editor and I. I never saw the separation between developing recipes and writing to me writing the recipe instructions was a form of creative writing. It was a way of. Imagining somebody in the kitchen imagining targeting to them it was a conversation for me. So it always felt like like grading it always felt like like I was talking to the person who would be following my recipes. So that was I don't I hadn't odd experience. Of Friend of mine. Akali friend was going to an award nomination and a book of mine. What was the baking? With Julia Book Was Had just been published in and she said to me. I hope you don't get nominated. And when I could catch my breath, I said, what are you saying and she said, well, all you did was write the book. And I've thought about that twenty some years ago and I thought I always think about that because I think about what is it about? Is a cookbook just the recipes. Is a cookbook a cookbook is something you right? Do we think about the importance of writing when it's instructional I think it is whole peace and it never occurred to me that being just the writer was anything less than being. So it's I. Think about this a lot. I think that I would to seek cookbooks thought about as. Books that well as cookbook pieces of writing, there is so much personality that goes into the even just the instructional part of a cookbook. It's unique to its writer. Yeah I. Mean You have a very particular way of raiding your recipes of it's it's it's our voice. And Yeah it's instruction and pep talk and like walking people back from the cliff you know it's like particularly with baking. Yeah. Thank you very much. So in working I would love to hear more about your time working with Julia and what it was like to work on that book. Soup I had met Julia in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, one in my first book came out. It was my first time ever in front of people. I was the kid in the back of the room because I didn't want to raise my hand. But when my book was published, I had to actually get out into the world and like make sure somebody other than my mother who I knew would never use it with by it, and so I was invited to give a demo at Bu, and on that program was Julia and Jack Pippen and me. And Julia befriended me at that I mean she just she saw a lonely scared young woman and she. took me around and we kept in touch and when she was working on this book. She asked if I would write it but I had just started working for the food network and I was in show business and I said No. I said I'm not writing anymore I'm a producer. This is my new life, and after about six months I realized how much I missed writing. And I called and said WHO's writing your book and she said we haven't found anybody. I. Mean I almost missed that opportunity she is everything that you the Julia that you see on television is the Julia that you see. All the time shoves so smart. So funny. So curious about everything she on her computer broke and my my husband was up while we were shooting and she said Michael go upstairs see what you can do with it and he was petrified that he was GonNa ruin Julius computer but he went upstairs and he sees he turned around and Julius there and he said Julia I'm. Working on it all she said, no, no, no I want to see what you're doing. You're not always going to be here. I WANNA learn how to do this. She wanted to learn everything she called me one morning. Shit, you have a bread machine. I said, no, she said aren't you interested asset? Not really she said you should be I'm getting one today and you should too. She was really an intellectual. She really studied everything. She knew the history of thing she wanted to know everything when she was. She wanted to teach people her whole. If you've never read a book called if you're interested in Julia, if you've never read a book called. As always Julia, it's the letters that she wrote to Avis Devoto who helped her get mastering the order French. Cooking published. You get to see the way she worked the how important every detail was attorney has she wouldn't let anything go it had to be right. She kept polishing she kept working her work. Her Work Habits were extraordinary her commitment and I took away from working with her that kind of. Focus and how much you have to demand of yourself to do good work. Another through line with fat feels like constant curiosity only. which which is required to push yourself forward and better what are you curious about outside of food? What am I what are you serious about like? What do you owe like? I'm curious about of you. I want to know everything about like where you've got started you know what you WanNa do how you make things work I'm curious about people I'm in love with Paris I've been lucky enough to live there as a part timer for twenty years but every time I go like. I want to learn something new. I want to eventually no to cut appear amid shaped cheese properly. It's mostly people. It's people you what am I curious about? Oh, my gosh so much every year I. Try to take on a new curiosity because I don't know how long I'll get to be in the world. You know just like every year let's try a new thing. Last year was yoga this year I'm learning how to sew. And a two years ago was paper flowers. So. Just like dip into at I think that working outside of food also helps feed my creative work in. I think that. Breathing helps. Fuel. No there's there's there's no. There's something about just being out in the world being aware of what's around you. You find inspiration absolutely free world a quick non-related. Story. I did a book signing years and years ago with Pierce Air May. Paris pastry chef. We had written a book together and a woman came up and she had a little baby and peer smiling kind of chuck the baby under the Chin and said, what's the baby's name? And the mother said, Celeste and he said the beautiful name and then he took his notebook out and he wrote it down. And I said what are you gonNA do with it. He said I don't know it's just a very beautiful name. And about five years later, he created an entire pastry collection and called it Celeste. Oh. My God. So you never h- you know you never know where something is going to come from. Warren, idea will come from sometimes I see a color and it makes me think I can make a dessert from it. That's really beautiful can. Can I ask you about Paris can ask you about? I know you live in Paris also Connecticut also New York okay. Casual. Casual. What what parts of Paris do you find you bring back? American kitchens and what parts of like cooking in the states do you take back to Paris? So I probably do more cooking in Paris than I do anyplace else and I think it's because it's so easy to have people over. I don't know why nobody seems busy in Paris you. You you. You say hired like, know like going to the market tomorrow do you WanNa come for dinner and people say yes, in New York it's like. Could you go to the market in six weeks and invite. Takes too long so I. It's really ingredients that inspire me that make me think you know I've never know what I'm going to cook until I'm out there looking around I love to cook some American Food in France for my French friends so. I like to do like Burgers for a whole dinner and put out the put out different things that people can mix them. They never do the French would like my French friends would like me to either give them the food exactly as I want them to or they will just line it up. Very, very beautifully. So how often do you know some American things in Paris and have fun with that I used to bring back literally bring banking gradients don't need longer because everything is available but I sometimes feel the first week that I'm in Paris. I feel like my head is exploding I feel like there's something in the air that makes you have a trillion ideas. It's a spot for you. It's Yeah. That's exactly right that spot there is there was a connection is the first the first time I put my foot down on the sidewalk in Paris I thought. My mother had me in Brooklyn when she could have. Had me here. So rude. And Brooklyn was not hit groovy then. I feel that way about New Orleans and also in New Orleans people will come to dinner. They are busy they make time put did I want to ask you next? I want to talk about. I'll help you. Thank you. Tell me about your cooking school. I home. Right. Yeah. I do I. Have a I. have a cooking school. In New Orleans it's called the Bake House and it's a double shotgun. So half half of the House is my studio and it's a giant open kitchen where twelve people come. Three or four times a month to learn how to cook with me children ever children children. I. Don't know about them. I just. I knew about one. I knew about one don't know what they can do what they can't do. You know I just know adults. Yeah, but it's a really wonderful way to bring. You know my work my creative work on the Internet into real life, which is what I feel like we need. Real life is not way. I was GONNA say real life is not underrated, but it's real life is not overrated rate. Depends on what you're trying to say. We'll life is great. It's lonely out there in cyberspace. Sometimes I think we have kind of reached the peak of of what we can do only on the Internet. I sent but I really. Because I'm not a millennial because I'm not a native digital person because I started working. My husband just found my proposal for my my dissertation and it's on I missed that paper that kind of specialty onion skinny paper that I used to type my proposal on. But because because I'm essentially old. I'm excited by the Internet when when it arrived I couldn't believe they did there were all of these people out there that I could learn about the first time I saw somebody post a picture of something that they've made from one of my books. I started to cry I can call has been in. Because as a writer before the Internet you sat at home and you wrote and you didn't know who was out there. You just send your work out and every once in a while you would meet someone maybe who knew something about what you were doing you had no sense that. There was no way that the work came back to you that you could see the reaction and I have never stopped being excited about the Internet because I feel it does bring us together in a way where we can share what we know. We can learn from one another and I thought to see someone make that chocolate cake in two thousand and eight I was apart my blog I just started I was part of Tuesday's with Dory. You were Oh girl yes. Yeah and so every Tuesday, there were maybe fifty of us on the Internet. We would bake one of your recipes from your baking book and posted every Tuesday and it was such a beautiful way to have community on the Internet. I'm still in touch with a bunch of Tuesday's. So this was a group that was started by a woman whom I've never met in Pittsburgh she wrote to me and said I. Just got your cookbook I'd like to bake my way through two of my friends and we're going to blog just the three of us is that okay and there was this was two thousand seven and I didn't know what came in 'cause I didn't know what the Internet and I thought. This is really yeah this is great and I remember going to a conference a year later and having people say to me. Aren't you afraid it will hurt your book sales. Do you want your recipes all over the Internet. Do you want? And I thought Gee I do I do I want these people to be baking and and sharing what they know and? I think I was right. You were right I think I was right you're also very generous. No because I think it's just it doesn't. It's the opportunity. For peop-. Okay I'M GONNA. Do I have a second to preach? I'm just glad. Okay. Just tell you how I feel about baking case you don't know. I feel that baking his magic I feel that. This isn't. By felt it from the store that were transforming ingredients with our hands more. So than cooking I mean when you make a steak, you'd look at the state you cook it it looks like the state but with baking everything you do is a transformation magical changes with the same ingredients you can make a thousand things and you make with your hands and you make it to share with someone because even I don't make for myself it's. Meant to be shared and and there's a sense of satisfaction of having made something from start to finish yourself and so when I saw. People out in wherever Internet people are. You don't baking and writing about the fact that they hit made these recipes and talking about whether they serve them to their family or they took them to a potluck dinner or was part of church reception or a woman who sent me a picture that she hid made all of the the desserts for her brother's wedding. This was extraordinary. Share the magic with you. It's but I think this is what? Food. is about absolutely We only have a few minutes left and I really must get this piece of information from you. It's a question I like to ask. Anyone I can. So the question is what it's two parts. What is the best piece of advice you've ever received and what is the best piece of advice you've ever given? I think the best piece of advice air for gone and so fierce said it as well is the same piece of advice that I give okay and that's say yes even when you're terrified Always. worked. As a baker and you said, you. I worked as a Baker when I hadn't. got fired very quickly but. But I briefly worked is a bigger when I had no experience and all I had was the the desire. The I mean, this is what I wanted to do, and I mean even even going to that demo where I'm at Julia I was so scared but I knew I had to say yes and so yeah, it's the same piece of advice given an taken put. It's a making friends with the fear and pushing yourself and just so you don't feel alone I've also been fired. To Baker jobs. I was fired for. It took me it took me years to realize what how fabulous the reason that I was was at the caused whatever she said I was fired for was really a great thing I was fired for creative insubordination. Pretty. Great. It took me years. It took me your yeah. I changed the recipe and didn't tell anyone. You are perfect. Thank you Dorie. It's things. Sir. That's it. For today. Show I hope you enjoyed the conversation between Dory enjoy both women have amazing cookbooks. So be sure to check them out. Also. If you're looking for some grownup summer fun, check out camp joy on Joe the Baker Dot Com for activities, recipes and more. Thank you to Sonos move for supporting today show Radio Cherry Obama's edited by Cat Garelli. Our theme song is all fired up by the ban Challah. Radio Cherry bomb is produced by Cherry. Bomb media hanging there everybody, and thank you for listening. You're the bomb. I'll have what she's having. 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Mini-Ep 89: Protect Your Heart

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Mini-Ep 89: Protect Your Heart

"Hello and welcome to forever thirty five podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dorothy I'm Kate Spencer. We are not experts. Just two friends who likes to talk a lot about Sierra. ooh Jazz Ange. This episode where we hear from you share your comments and thoughts and an answer questions to the best of our ability and we always ask that you do please remember. We are not experts. We are just podcast hosts so we always encourage you to seek support first and foremost from a doctor or a mental health professional as needed. And if you WANNA reach us our voicemail is seven eight one five nine one zero three nine. Zero r e mail is forever thirty-five podcasts at G MAIL DOT COM. Let's kick things off with a message to you. Dorie thank you kate. Very sweet sweet message or literally and I'm all about right now all right and catching up on my magazine reading. Because I love on and off and Marie Claire Magazine Holiday Issue Outward Affection is my lawn and the profile is written by one story should fear and I literally sat out loud. We don't door which is weird because I I don't know you and you're very successful writer and my surprised that you're in Clare excited for you and I'm McCauley's which I've never done before but I love you both and I love the podcast and I just wanted to say congratulations. You guys are meeting and you make my life and just wanted to thank you for that. So happy holidays. Happy Twenty Twenty and Thanks for being you I know thank you go door things came. I wrote a profile of Jennifer Lea. Remember when you're working on that is the chief creative officer of Disney animation and also co wrote and directed the frozen 's it sounds amazing. She's extremely cool. Well look listener. You do know us we do. We do. Wow we do know you and we love you. I mean we know each other and kind of magical weird podcast way. Yes I do feel like we all know each other kind of yeah totally and I mean look we know you're in the topless reading a magazine because then that was not too much information. I didn't all is there ever. I love with listeners. Call it sorry this is. Tmi Dot dot dot never team oh you literally know about our hemorrhoids. Our bodies Dory's blasting water upper button day. I mean you know the details the two of those three examples. Where about butts? I love by care about bringing back butts for twenty twenty. Hey you know what. I'm all about Butts and twenty third overlook part of our body because it just you know not by us. Well that's true anyway. That was really a sweet message. So thank you for that. We've got another voicemail here another nice but we're just playing nice messages today. Here we are indoor. I just had to say. Listen to me that you had with your husband's You guys are so funny. It was such a United States with a pot and I I think it would be a good I get back at another time I just had to tell you because I think it was a great year and It was really good conversation here yet so I loved Pat. Thanks Kate episode. That we did with our husbands has met with great acclaim. which were truly thrilled about? We are his. We didn't know how that was going to go. We didn't neither did. They know they didn't they were. They were good sports about it. They were really good sports. I think I think they enjoyed themselves. House feel like we learned a lot like I didn't know they had thought so much about hair plugs. Yeah you know. I think it's a big source of anxiety for man you you know. I don't want to be like well good but like I'm glad that they have something. The structural system in which we live in which that's true the burden often doesn't fall on the old white men's to feel bad about true but anyway they were really really happy to have them on and thank you all for receiving them so grindley signed. Louis I really. I really got a chuckle out of all the enthusiasm with which they were greeted. Their silly guy they are they are big goofs Eh great people and they have good chemistry to like with each other. I know I would love for them to they. Were Yukking add up. I mean we had to cut a lot of the COP OP dead. There's just trim on the floor of them making lots of jokes about how they like. Jokingly love construction right they were they they were really they were making jokes about masculinity and yeah yeah they're funny they're funny story yes and depend depend on other VM. Here do it. Dang it's the knee from Denver again. I forgot I wanted to thank you guys for not letting your podcast CIA into seasons. I love that you play it straight through the whole year. I understand you take like a week off or two weeks off depending on vacation but I really appreciate the full time hot and I'm also curious if you ever GonNa do a live show or start doing live shows and she. Do you better come to Denver. I love that she just ended. You'd better the Denver Nuggets. I would love to come to Denver. Okay so first of all. Thank you for liking how we structure the podcast. Yeah Yeah it is you know we are trying to make more time offer ourselves because I feel like the first year and a half we just like blasted through Ooh down and then we're like. Oh this is we. We have to take like full rest. Meaning we're not thinking about the podcast for a good week at a time. Yeah wouldn't you say that would be good for mental health. Yes so what we just did. Yes and we're working on just figuring out how to do that in a way that it's also not like disruptive to the to. You're listening to this fear Yes yes but we do love doing this consist. Yeah it's a real thrill it is as for live shows that is I would say on our top up of our podcast to do list and twenty twenty. We're really trying to figure it out. I mean in the interest of full transparency laid out there during. It's hard to know. Oh how many people would actually come to a live show. Would anyone come like we know we have listeners. But to and the rubber hits the road good. Are you all going to buy tickets to our chef. You really want to come to show. We don't know and it's okay if you don't it's totally fine but it's like when we're planning a tour and we're we have to sort of estimate like how many people would show up and book a venue. It's like oh it's truly. We have no idea we've never done before. Yeah we'll probably start smaller. I was thinking like arenas it's going to be an MSG just me and you and a couple listeners. Listeners eleven arena. She'll say a no. We definitely want to do it. And it's been I will say the Times where we've done live events certain kind of like an had a meet up. It has been so incredible like meeting listeners in connecting with people's really fun and it's also really cool just to seep the listeners. Get to know each other all immune in a space so we are thinking about it If you have leads on locations in your cities hit us up. Yeah probably has to be a more major metropolis right now. Yeah but look. If you own a venue in Hawaii or or Hawaii or Hawaii Hawaii let us know we are coming. They're only doing a Hawaii tour. Doing all the islands and that would honestly be so much fun so amazing. Let's do it okay. We have an email here before we take a little break. AAC email is really giving the other email a run for its money although but do you know what this means. We have thirteen year old listeners. Yes multiple we have multiple thirteen year. Old We love you so much religious. Okay okay hi I am from San Diego I am also thirteen eighteen. Just like the past listener clear. I am a ballet dancer and have seven classes a week. That are all very long. That isn't even including all the different types of rehearsals performances school and extra school activities activities. As you can tell there is a lot going on and I was wondering how I can cram in time to do things with friends. It's always sorry I have ballet and I want to transition to sure I'm free three. Please help he s my little sister and I love your podcast and have cherished every bit of it my little sister so we have a listener. Who at least one listener? Who is younger than thirteen? I'm blown away next thing. You know your daughter's right in I mean. Did I tell you that one of my daughters started reading my books. One of my Book My Book Doc. The only book I've written so far no about my mom and was like crying about it. I was like wow. That's that's a story for another podcast or back to this listener. Low thirteen-year-old listeners is tough I was thinking about this and I will tell you listener was as I saw your email. I had just had had dinner with one of my oldest friends known since I was about eight or nine. And she's a dancer and she had this kind of schedule. Our whole lives all through through middle school and high school danced everyday for hours and tons of rehearsals and was also on varsity soccer. And I am going to ask her how she did it because she she also made time for her friendships and relationships. But I think that can be really hard when you're young and passionate about something and also schoolwork. I'm wondering if maybe maybe it would help you to keep a calendar and you might start to be able to visually lay out all the stuff that's on your plate like even just just a basic like twelve hanging on the wall calendar where you write everything out and then when you see the spots where you have time free you take the lead on making king plans with people. I like that I was also going to say I would. I would look at your schedule and see if there's anything you can cut out Like you say extra school activities. Do you a half to participate in all of those school activities. I don't know what they are. Yeah but it does sound like something's going to have to give a little bit in order for you to make time for your friends and look we're not your parents or your teachers or your coaches or whatever none of those things so you know take this with the cream assault but your your social life is of value as are the activities that you do and they they need to. They all can balance each other out and give relief from the other. Yes so if you feel like you're not having enough time in your social engagements I think it's okay to put some value there again. I agree I'm not a parent but please posted. Yeah and thank you so much for listening shoutout to your little sister. I hope we have said anything inappropriate for sure. We have to just go on about butts but everybody has but butts aren't inappropriate all right. Let's take it okay on that note. We're repack well. We say forget. I'm like Oh it's a sued doing the podcast. Why did I not waiting on anyone know? Okay let's kick things off here with a return to product conversation. I K N Dory calling you from Palm Springs Because I just had brought up that I wanted to share with that is maybe sometimes the reason that we don't think a product gotta work because we're not using enough of it. I figure this out using living proof in shower styler because I had been playing things for a while and I liked what it did my hair but I didn't feel like it was always a dramatic enough styling products and then I put more on my mom's day when he's in the shower and blonde hair and I really pleased with the Gel and this was just something that like maybe some times. He's changed the way we're using our products the nature reserve being effective The only downside to this is this is like how cheap for me and I'm like oh I love the south but you know. Aw It's GonNa be a tree and trying to get us that about Catherine setting it that I love all these things that are like maybe a little out of my budget for this time. 'cause you know we're doing our best. I think everybody has an I just love you guys for coming this resource to talk about all the things. They live Yeah have a great day bye to rest. Does love poem spring. Yes love all those things. Uh this made me chuckle. Because I wonder if you're like me in which I buy myself a product and then I'm just gonNA use drop this because I gotta make it last for two years. They spent money on it. It's hard for me to like dump the product out in my hand and really go for it. I have been noticing lately especially with Moisturizer Zor slathering on and make it better. I think so. Yeah it's GonNa feels good. I got I love this epiphany and you know again. This might be the kind of funny that is for for you and for somebody else may have an epiphany. That's like any loss of this product for our effectively for me. But I don't know becoming more one with our products hopefully great it is consumerism. That's a tough one it is. We haven't solved it and we're definitely not going to. What's read an email? Shall I read it. Take it away in those dulcet tones. Hank you can't I think I will. High Cain Dory. I'm a longtime listener. First Time reaching out. Oh my God what you said. He was dulcet tones. And using the tone do much. It's so soothing. Calm down my anxiety like dropped okay. I'm sorry can continue. I'm twenty six really starting to take my health and self care seriously. You're pod really makes a field less overwhelming more like the gift it really is. I need your your help. I'm passionate about nontoxic and natural skin care products after pushing past the hype. Seeing how big of a difference they make in our overall wellness. My Skin is both incredibly oily and hardly dry the most combo skin there ever was. I have the hardest time finding prods. That work for me any any now recommendations would be so so helpful was like Asmar. I honestly have like that. Weird neck tickle. Ah I'm gonNA read all emails. Oh my I just want to thank the listener wrote that email. That are being the our youtube channel. Holy moly how to recover. I wish you could see me. I was like the listeners. Visual experience seeing okay. Well this listener you write this at an interesting time. Because I am revisiting visiting yield squally oil and I wonder if this might be a good option for you now look again not an expert but I believe squalene comes hums the closest to mimicking your skin's natural moisture wail my right. You know it's funny. You say that because I was going to recommend bioscience oh I do like BIOS. And they use squalene in most of their product do and they have a light they have some nice lightweight. Um Products. Balancing the oiling and the dry that's really challenging so I'm also wondering if less is more for are you rather than trying to put this on balance and do those not just maybe Hold back a little bit. Go very simple. And let's see what happens. I don't know I would say. Lay off the cleansers. Lay off the exfoliating. It's be really gentle on your skin. Maybe just like what Kate was saying like one serum and a moisturizer. And and that's that's in your sunscreen dory the squalene oil that I've been using is by indeed laboratories And and it is derived. I'm quitting from their website and also caroline higher on Uses it as well and has written about it on her website but on their website website. They say it's one hundred percent from sugar cane so it's not from palm oil or pardon royal And it's just really I don't know it's a really hydrating grading I love it. So and it's twenty dollars. Sounds great pretty good price point I would say they begin. Animals Listener. An let's it's open this up for the listeners and you know also there is a forever. thirty-five natural beauty subgroup. That I bet would have a lot of great answers. Yeah Yeah Yeah So. We'll try to reach out there. Yeah we've got a long email from a listener. I'm going to read it. I'm not going to do it in a dulcet tone. When a regular tones find dear kate and Dory I'm forty three years old and I have a busy job and two youngest kids ages seven and ten last? You're my mom was diagnosed with Alzheimer's she lives on her own because my parents are divorced and she and my sister are estranged so her care and managing. Her illness has fallen on me. Here's the positive sort of side. She's still in mostly spirits and we have a great medical team taking care of her. I'm in Canada's a medical costs are not a worry. Although the funds required for eventual supported housing are she lives nearby so I can see her frequently. I've got a great husband who supports me both emotionally practically my dad. Even though divorced from my mom's still helps out by doing her grocery shopping. I am seeing therapist. Who knows me well in whom I trust? Here's what I can't seem to deal with. How alone I feel? Despite the positives mentioned above. I can't get over the fact that the buck stops me and no one else really gets it friends. Avoid the topic or talk about how they dealt with their grandparents who had alzheimers parentheses. Not the same as mom. It seems that for those around on me. I'm in a grey zone. My mom hasn't died. She's not actually ill in hospital or anything but watching her decline and taking on the responsibility for her care is incredibly painful. I'm sad about it all all the time. I have tried reaching out to some friends to say that I'm having a hard time. But they don't really know what to say beyond that they're sorry. How do we deal with this? I don't know exactly what I'm looking for aside from some acknowledgement from others. I don't know why I'm so focused on this sort of recognition. Others are busy and they don't really understand and I get it. I know I'm still care for and love. This is made me so resentful and angry especially a friends complain about their parents or their siblings. A mean and ugly part of me always wants to remind them how lucky they are a hate that this situation in is making me bitter like this. Do you have any thoughts about how to begin to overcome these feelings or to reframe this narrative actually do have some thoughts thoughts. Let's hear him. Can you find a support group. Yeah that was my first thought. A caregiver and preferably with people who are dealing with Alzheimer's loved ones with Alzheimer's because I think then you would find people who truly understand what you're going through and you all are kind you've dealing with the same stuff. Yeah and I mean I I think it can be really hard for people to understand. Yeah Yeah it just in it and that is it is so isolating and being a caregiver is so intense and so hard and my guess is there other listeners listeners who are caregiving for ailing parents. Right now who see you I just know having done it briefly with my mom and when she had cancer and a totally different experience but I I know what the challenges were for me in that in that time and it is very lonely and I do want to validate your feelings. Is that that you feel resentful and angry. Especially if people complain about their parents or their siblings I really this resonates with me personally. I really went through this. I've gone I mean it's still pops up for me now but especially in the recent years after my mom died. Yeah Man I get it totally we get it and you know sometimes like I just WanNa say like. Sometimes it's not the right time to overcome the feelings or reframe the narrative like it. You don't always always have to put a positive spin or change. What your feelings are? I think your feelings are valid. And you know just because you feel that doesn't mean that those people don't appreciate their parents or or whatever but like I get I get what you're feeling I get it get it I get it I see you. It's it's really hard to sit and listen. Does someone complain about a healthy parent. Even though you know I always knew if my mom was healthy I'd be complaining. You know certain you understand it. But I'm rambling. I just one of the validate your feelings and I do think we set a support. Group is a place where these feelings would be very validated. and seeing. If there's not when you can get to in real life I would. Let's see if there's something online or a facebook facebook group of people who are in your same situation. Good luck yeah or hey forever forever. Thirty five listeners. If there's even one or two of you out there and you want a former facebook group together about this go for it. Yeah you know all you need is like one or two other people who who get it on that note. Let's take another quick break and we'll be right back. Let's do it. They talk. Well we're going to switch gears a little bit and we have to relationship topics we do. First One's pretty intense. It is to read it. I'll read it. I don't Torri Dental citoyens. No Dory Tons K. High Hindu. I'm twenty five and currently living with my boyfriend. Eight and a half years. He's smart funny. Supported adventurous never complains and splits the housework evenly and willingly with me in short. He's a wonderful life. Partner recently came up that he's not quote certain of me meaning. He's not one hundred percents certainty that the person for him. He elaborated saying that he didn't feel like we have an. We'd had enough series conversations about our life goals aspirations etc for him to be certain I honestly was both shocked and heartbroken shocked because it never even crossed my mind eight and a half years in that he might still be testing the out heartbroken. Because I'm certain about him and it hurts. It's that he's not in the same place weekly. We had a follow up conversation. I answered his questions about career goals. Kids where I wanNA live I wanNA retire etc and I listened to all his answers. Yeah he's still not certain and he's not even really able to tell me why he's uncertain if I had to guess though I'd say it's because he really values independence struggles with making long-term term commitments. We ended the conversation with me saying I understand that it's a big decision and I don't want to rush into anything but I would like to ask that out of respect for me and my time you start actively trying to get to a place of certainty regardless of whether that means you're certain you WanNa be with me or you're certain you don't. He agreed that that was fair and said he would start doing that now. I feel like I'm just waiting for him to break up with me even though Oh he might decide that he certainly wants to be with me. And it's devastating. I'm not exactly sure what I'm asking here. I guess maybe I WANNA know if I'm handling the situation correctly is it okay. That eight and a half years in. I'm still waiting for him to be certain about me. Or my selling yourself short by being with someone who has to decide whether or not I'm the one eight and a half years in is it okay to give him an ultimatum to tell him for my own sanity either. I need to admit that I need him to make up his mind sooner rather than later. Any advice or words of encouragement would be so so so appreciated. The thing I keep coming back to you is is that. Why does he get to be the one to decide? I think that you get to make the decision for how your life goes and in my opinion if you're with someone who's not certain of you. It sounds to me from reading this that that that you've said that's made you heartbroken in because you are certain. And he's not and so you get to decide if you want to be continued being with this person right now doesn't mean that you might not still end up with with this person and married and for one hundred years but I think that you are the boss of your life here yes kate. This person is the boss of their life. I also think it's it. It must be especially hard when you've been with someone for that long and you're so young you must have started dating him when you were sixteen or seventeen eighteen seventeen sixteen or seventeen. Because they've been she's twenty five and she's been with him for eight and a half years so you know it's it's hard to break up with anyone anytime but but I think especially when you've literally grown up with someone. It's really hard to imagine your life without them now. But I'm saying you need to break up but I'm just saying like in the universe of possibilities that is one possibility ability and it must be difficult to picture that My my take away from this is is that he's now put this out there and I feel like no matter what decision he comes due to. Its now out there that he was uncertain about you after eight and a half years and like maybe that we'll be something you could get over. I would have a hard time. I personally would have a hard time getting over that e getting over you mean it would constantly be in the back the brain yes and I feel like I would always be waiting for the other shoe to drop what I am going to suggest and again take this take it or leave it. I would suggest a trial separation. Would you suggest couples therapy with the two of them. Sure maybe couples therapy and a trial separation. Yeah take take a break I mean. Have this be your decision as kate within. That's yeah and and I think a trial separation might help with that you might. You might have a trial trial separation and say you know what this really is. My person and I'm going to get past what he said. And it will be fine or you might say you know what now that I have some some clarity and some distance. I can see that. I don't really appreciate the way he treated me. I don't know or could be somewhere in between how about we get to this place. What about this this listener decides they are certain about this person there? This boyfriend the boyfriend says actually no. And how do you then or is this just talking about something. That doesn't happen yet or like how. How do you then process the fact that you feel like? You're you've had you've made your person and they said Nope and now you have to deal with that. I think it really sucks but at least you know. Yeah you're not in this like weird limbo. Yeah that's what I think. I feel. Oh protective of your listeners. Because you've now placed in this slim in limbo like having a slender weight makes you not feel good about your so am I I I I think you've been extremely patient and generous. With him and mature. Michaud are as follow up conversation and ask ask him to actively get to a place of certainty and and I understand that it probably feels forced and artificial to say you must decide by February retentive whether whether you're going to be with me or not but also like you've also kind of given him a way to to to keep living in this a place of uncertainty which seems very convenient for him very convenient very comfortable for him so I I think you have to protect your own heart and meaning meaning like this. Is You have more agency in this situation than you think you think you do. And you're I do think that ultimately your heart You deserve to belong to not belong. You deserve to be with someone who is certain about certain about you. Yes I'm also a heavy word. Yes Oh because there are times in any relationship really. Oh my God I don't know what am I did. I make the right choice here like it. It is okay to grapple with uncertainty. I think that is say some poboy going to potentially controversial. Oh my gosh here comes. I think he's waiting for you to break up with him. I don't think that's controversial at all. It could that could I'm reading this and I'm getting. This is a person in who is too cowardly to break up with you. So he has given you every thing thing in his arsenal to present himself as unworthy of you and he's waiting for you to pull the trigger because I don't think he's going to who having been in a similar situation. Yeah Yeah that's where I'm reading where this is coming from. I just feel like these types of guys. Don't actually want to be the one they don't want to be the bad guy especially after eating for eight years a longtime so they're trying I this again. This may sound harsh but my read on this when all is said and done is that he is kindly manipulating you into breaking up with him. I don't know that sucks. Yeah so I think that's what I mean when I say. Protect your heart. Yeah yes yeah I I know what you mean so you have value you. Sound like a great press. I say this all from a place of love and support. Yes and look he could come in tomorrow and be like you know what I am certain. Swath fuck was I thinking. Yeah totally yes. Let's do it and then like great great only you can know what is true and right near relationship. Oh sorry. This is a dory moment tight. Just his Co. like answer all his questions about career goals when I want to retire like is this a job interview after eight and a half years I just I just don't I don't I don't get a good feeling. I'm sorry. Sorry I don't get a good feeling. Speak your truth. Dory's says my truth I just don't get a good feeling. I also just want to say relationships are really hard and suit thing from the other side. It is okay for another person to not know if a relationship is right for them totally. I totally I wanNA make sure like. I'm like doing the best to see all sides. Yes and of course we all come to advice with our own biases Um that is true so and I acknowledged that all seem like we're passing judgment on you but I also feel like sometimes sometimes radical honesty is the kindest path to take any words final words of encouragement for this listener. They asked her words encouragement. I think what you just said like you are a worthy person. You sound amazing. You're deserving of love true certain firm Yes love from this person or another person or many other people down the road who knows what life will unfurled anyway. This is really hard listener really hard. You can see it's hard just by how long we've talked about. Yeah and thank you for asking us and you know what if you feel up to keep us posted and if anyone has been here Holler at us. Well look. We're going to end on a light note. I was gonNA say hi now. I know too late. Note kind of ending back where we started. Good Point And we have another listener embarassing moment. Were so grateful for the US. Thank you for sharing your truth cells with us. We will play this and then from there I captain door Just calling in with an embarrassing story for you guys but I thought everybody would like I'm taking a break from baking cookies with my five year olds because yeah need to break But your boob story three on the Horse reminded me Of A vacation. Actually it was my honeymoon. I was on with my husband. has nothing to do with food enforcers but Embarrassing them the last. I was having a lovely dinner with my husband in Jamaica Ran. I decided that sitting around the a fire Outside would be romantic removed outside and as we were sitting there. I think the dinner wasn't sitting so well with me and ended up leading to go. Use the bathroom but instead of walking maybe five feet. The nearest bathroom. I who have a problem. Using uncovered restrooms decided. No we needed to get back to our hotel room which was on the other side of the resort so I decided you start walking. Go back to the hotel room and my husband's solitude well about halfway through this jungle walk You pases in you know resort I decided that it was now or never. And how they bridesmaid moment In the movie where she basically we check in the middle of the street So Yeah I had a beautiful frawley romantic dress on for the evening and more or less pooped in a Bush on my honeymoon. Yeah I tell the story most of the time to pretty much anybody who will listen. But I thought I'd share it with the world now if you do decide to play this Even better part of the story was the group that I couldn't manage to get back to the hotel room with In the Bush kind of lingered for the rest of the trip breath really gross. I know but it was that or Qiuping address having to figure that whole mess out and it was a whole thing. My husband loves to laugh at me about this and I Yeah I live with shame and and Whatever you WANNA call them day to day basis anyways hope you guys are having a happy happy holiday season? Please don't prove yourself and Rubbed everyone by what a great note to end on. Please don't poop yourself yourselves please. Do you know what sometimes it does happen. It's Okay Amen. Twenty twenty here. We go is going to be a year all right bye everyone i.

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The Kist & Solak Show #109: Eagles-Titans Preseason Recap

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The Kist & Solak Show #109: Eagles-Titans Preseason Recap

"Hi this is jim from the step over the radio ballers podcast talking seventy sixers tune in this off season. Season is my co host. Maximize talk next steps and solar recovered from sixers raptors game seven over a span of many many months were listened back to old episodes and make fun of how wrong we were. Let's be confident only on the e._s._p._n. Podcast network michael kissed listening again benjamin assignments so land. It's the kissed in seoul action presented pine espy nation and bleeding green nation. Oh you are flying is somewhat on the kiss ten solex show. This is episode. One nine brought to you by the five unfocused s._p. Nation and bleeding green nation. I michael kissed follow me on twitter at michael kissed n._f._l. That's k. i s. T. is getting hard to get through this intro because alls i can think about clayton thorson and but i am joined by benjamin sollac who has thoughts on the matter. Don't don't say that name do not solely the podcast with the men fled. I i mean you said you wanted to go after it right after the top hand so upset and you would think that because i knew this is what it was going to look like that same it'll be less upset you think the fact that we both said the moment to pick happen that this was a complete waste of an objectively on valuable but still draft pick you think they will make it better but it does not you would also think that an organization like the philadelphia eagles a very smart organization with a very loaded roster would not make a pick as bad as clayton thorson and look. It's one preseason game. He's a rookie whatever but to for nine seven seven yards a zero point zero for ninety. Seven yards watched the player play the game. I mean there's there's missing thing and then there's just existing on different ethereal plane and the rest of the other physical bodies that are currently on the football field i was i was selling your buddy. John ledger that he should be dropped off in in the himalayas and tracked by national geographic camera crew like he's a snow boulevard like this. This is this is crazy. This is crazy that a quarterback that is drafted spoi- orange believe he's playing on this week. He's doing like what what what shape the footballs on the plane that he was born. I want them to interview him. Ask it after the game in ask ask him what he wants to be on. He grows up he clearly. It's not n._f._l. Quarterback now it's clearly not n._f._l. Quarterback and that's an issue for the eagles because of the news with nate subtle talk about that or we continue to rip on thorson. I'm good either way because even like like there. There were times were receivers dropped the ball form and you know he's playing with fringe roster guys to but at the same time like the interception he was totally clean had time through bad ball thrown a ball to the flat. They called it pull in the string as ross tucker said canadian complete that the interception was one of the most amazing as i've ever seen in my entire life in terms of i think every receiver besides the target was open within a half a second of that route concert developing as a quarterback. You know hypothetically where the receivers were headed within a half second of that play development. I could've told you that a deep day was not going to be open now and that's not like oh that's okay. I don't know jack daily about football and i could have told you that that was not gonna open. He had a safety over the top them in a linebacker singing underneath route. It's not gonna open and he had he had a flat bed and he had the the <hes> the the the other out route outside open now and he just stared it and chugging completeness. There's just nothing salvageable about that. Play whatsoever now now again. It doesn't matter but because it's a very good team with very good players and so if you just save yourself okay we have round pick. We don't need any players. We're gonna draft quarterback. We're back if you hit on a quarterback as a good situation right cool but like john walker daria sleep in science smith garner menchu <hes> david long who was just playing for the tennessee the titans trace frigging <unk> get jerry green mississippi say there's so many players like actually have legs in the world rodney anderson the markets christmas this mike weber just like people who could actually stick on n._f._l. Roster there's no point. Have we believe that claims is gonna make this roster and now it's even less likely i with the injury. Now it is actually likely gob with us and you know ben you stay up until four a._m. Writing a fifteen hundred word piece on nate seinfeld and how he can use the next four weeks to prove do that. He can be a capable spot starter if need be and it's a position you know the backup. Quarterback position is very important in philadelphia has proven to be over the past couple of years and and the guy goes out there. He's seventy five yard touchdown marquan michelle who somehow bird like olympic speed guy dorie jackson and then he takes the hit falls back in the next thing you know he's being carted off with an air cast on his arm a similarly because something happened with the rest and it sucks man because southfield is one of the more entertaining -taining backups that is seeing significant playing time in the preseason because he's not like a dinka dunk guy he gets after but also this might be the only type of real action forum to show that he's the guy that he can be the number two that that is on a contract year by the way it's extremely unfortunate and for more context on it a shoutout to gil saunders of the the fourth john crew for posting the video of the injury i added dr chow aka pro-football documents heard of him and he chind in by saying that the video looked like a left wrist fracture. It's to his non throwing hand which is a plus and quote not done for the season but a while on quotes that it's bad news all all around for the eagles and just thorson looking the way that he did made it even worse and we can talk about kessler being like a decent backup quarterback back like that's kind of his ceiling he did go to in two as a starter for the jaguars last year but he also through for like an abysmal yards per attempt than they averaged ten point four points when he had significant playing time in a game for the jaguars last year so we saw combat at the quarterback spot the backup quarterback for the eagles now there's like there's a reason that teams did not want to guess. Certainly there's a reason why the eagles were able to sign him as q._b. Three now when you have like you know a young guy that you're trying to like the eagles subtle right then you don't want to bring in a casler unless is going to be reported back for you so i still think he's a very serviceable quarterback. Do you could survive with him if you need to do but in the event of a long went injury that's not a foles you know like situation. Listen i would argue cellphone was also not bad despite kind of the cult following that he has and seinfeld. I mean he's he's. He's just a rocket on a stick right like there's not much germs of of of mental processing is is significant players backers the he's an absolute host like that. That's good but i agree with you in the sense that like this is gonna hit free agency next year so this this was a huge opportunity for him to showcase to the other thirty one n._f._l. Teams that he'd be worthy upbringing in as as a guy is gonna continue to be a backup in the n._f._l. That this was his opportunity so him the the six to eight week timeframe. That's weeks three five the regular season. The eagles would probably be okay going the first four weeks n._f._l. Season without carson wentz this having a a significant back-up. They really think seinfeld's can be able to make it back by week three big four on but it's just a shame because the preseason diabled for nate seinfeld personally from the showcase his stuff is best that he could use. You can get a tunnel times eagles. Were not gonna risk wentz playing much if any football on and he's gonna hit raising next year you get it up soon to make some money so that's that's the real zapping their the other disappointing part is it's now harder to evaluate the eagles pass catching threats because suffield gave them the best chance like the best ball all of the night in terms of an ability to make a play was the the earlier single whiteside from where do job has ended up coming down with that made a pretty good plan the football ends of transient against the ground but like like you're not going to get those throws from kessler thorson and so you'll lose the opportunity to evaluate your plight your your weapons in an in game contacts with a player of sells arms frankenmuth. This is willingness to test a downfield coverage. So that's the disappointing eagle side from the the subtle zayed simply the money he could potentially made in twenty twenty just got a funny comment from emma listener marcos levy at mark levy a he said mike don't be rude is a mike don't be so hard on thorson had more completions than interceptions. I guess that the that's the bar you're the setting for thorson to ratio babies how we like it. Let's do some stock up stock down and we can just kind of move around the different position groups. That doesn't have to be in any kind of order in this. What is twenty seven to ten loss for the philadelphia. Eagles very important game doesn't share anything <hes>. Let's go stock up. Eljay eljay fort will go the linebackers. I really liked the way that he moved around and he's a little bit undersized is about two thirty but i mean you talk about a guy who is definitely making this roster in my opinion and the sideline the silent did he show at two thirty a. size at this point like i wouldn't even call it on her size. Yeah undersize strong but you know what i mean. He's not like two forty like brad. You know what what i mean so it's it's a little bit on the lighter side of the spectrum but stock down nate gary getting washed out just looking lost sarah guys down here the touchdown thrown on now i was i was talking about the touchdown before i think that was jonathan ciprian fault. I think ross tucker said the same on the broadcasts you thought the same thing <hes> ciprian acting like it was his fault so don't put against four don't put any disrespect on his miscommunication yeah. I'd like somebody who was wrong with them right and stock down for gary. What what do you think about those <unk>. I'd just i just like like the nate. Gary experiments probably over right. You know it's it's very good in the sense that you have eljay for you have paul war or allow zac brown nisab rodham the question mark is it how long has come out <unk> out long-term. You're probably still keeping gary but it simply like there's no reason i was even talking about this a little bit last year but it was only a second year bigger. Whatever in the gary was kind of in that will fighting the job even last year like this is no reasonable garrison gonna successfully translate the linebacker. You drafted a guy late at for a positional switch good dart throw. It didn't work. That's totally fine move on. He's gotten bigger but he's lost speed wasn't bitterly fast to begin with is not a good cover man. He's an accident. <unk> does not see place available does not have a good head for the game bob abune in line via bad one bad preseason game but this is not like a take. I decided to make today. Gary is not able to to play since since he came in so i i i don't see him as a desirable roster candidates specially if grace you know a healthy enough such that you want to keep him on the roster we've won four yet. No no fort ford had a solid game against twos threes. You know what i mean. I still think it's a backup player on special. Teams is gonna keep him on the roster fisher i wasn't like i don't think i'm super stock up on four and that's what i expected if i could from him but like you know it's obviously good to see a guy turn out the way that he did. In defensive backs wise on its stock up probably stop still wear vantera mattis was yes. We thought madison was good and he played good. It stocked up branches today. Homes certainly a player who's going to who he's guest anna. Oh yes ghanistan roster. I mean let let's let's make that clear so we can stop getting that question because i get that question all the sunday who is worth more than a fourth round pick right now. I'd like the fourth round peg leg if they did they cool assuming the coolest ciprian be the end <hes> safety three weeks ciprian played that bad mike another that might upset. You didn't think separate bad. I'm okay with it but now he's really good closing down here. I don't think he's super grayson savell behind him. Run on ideal for free safe you but there's a reason why it's not a star in the league anymore and that's part of it is a safety threes exactly what you want. He's not corey graham. He's not an idiot on he. He brings up playmaking ability closing down mills tackler right. I'm feeling real zastava tonight. Michael fire also clan verses got me cooking and so oh so so where does your safety three yeah stock down with the safeties though i gotta go with blend countess and trace alvin sullivan was really bad tonight man and he's he's got like a weird high that people that really like him but he was allowing easy completions tight ends he followed by filling incredibly poorly in the alley on a big inside run for the the titans <hes>. He's going to have to fend off late. Countess who got first team reps over him. If that tells you anything so beyond deo and you know we'll see what ciprian it does but it doesn't look real great for the safety position which you know isn't the worst problem have but at the same time is still could be a problem especially considering the injuries that this defensive backfield face last cheer what about offensive line stop andre dillard stock down jordan my lada. Would you agree. I wanna say stock down. My lot was not going to be like a lot of good. The year two it would be massively shopping needs played football for a year. Let's all chill to me. My whereabouts expected to be which is still bad enemy what i mean like that's that's really okay my may to clarify something ben when i when i say these stocks it's it's not necessarily our stocks because i think we both agreed that like my lada was going to be a the project. I think we both thought that like four would be solid but unspectacular like like that's like our stock is different than like what a lot of different people think and i think a lot of people people had the expectation that might lot of in your to was subtly going to transform into fringe starter spot starter capable guy. I and it just turns out that the n._f._l. Is like really hard right and yeah. I mean like i'm not trying to like pick on your stock upside down just trying to like have conversations with other place flight me ben yeah yeah. No this is serious and podcasting your gang stock on that prior gob a play out penalties especially when there's a very crowded guard tackle room and you are a guard tackle and just the you know you can't be have multiple pound <unk> agreeable problem yeah yeah no i in generally like not super effective active <unk> dillard. It'll get washed over that dillard still not super comfortable coming out of his stance on getting into a sad. That's a he's still a little bit all over the place because he was highly effective and he's affected rostker called camelot korea pretty good pass rusher not not bringing capacity is pretty bad. Pass rusher actually but like you know he. He's still stonewalling second teamers. That's okay 'cause you're second team so you're being out second team. Zero schedule dillard's looked looked like you'd want your first round. Pick an office tackle especially when you knew you were getting into which yeah he was getting into his sets perfectly but if they work they work at the end of the day and he was the fact that he's along super nimble and he looks he looks sick. He looks really really fully up the n._f._l. Size which is great so stock up style dillard star down for me. Matt pryor announced napa wine defensive line stock up literally. Everybody stevens allies so good they i'm. I'm watching qassim edibala. Whenever like used name is and i was like shit. You must roster this kid here. We go the new joe houseman but not all joking aside. Dacia holds great as an extra round. Pick people forget about this now now. He has the advantage of grown up a second teamer. When joshua was gonna be the first teamer interior lewan right that's correct yeah lewan verse sweat yeah bernard while he has longer sweat but then competent wasn't out there against right additional hall. I thought a okay regardless. Even independent of that hall was effective. Sweat was effective active in z had against a guy like one he lost several and that's part of playing taylor. Lewan hill was one of the best left tackles in the game right now on able to to push bush the decree pressure the ball rush rush with good power. He still has that ability to get to the outside shoulder to attack points for the nicely when you at hall and sweat rate with a winning winning off the outside corners the way that you did you generating a rarely can a really consistent pass rush. Yeah like there wasn't a good pass rush on the tannehill touchdown throw but like i mean station sean hostile one was named gary. There's some you know just odd attribution thought. Bruce actor played well. The trayvon has played well. Hassan ridgway was playing notably welfare. Yeah foregoing down with injury. Ridgway was really impressing especially in the run game as interior guy so every every edge everyday of the tackle that i saw was putting out significant qualities the sheriff miller had a couple of plays rather even survey smeller now deal stevens align the who they keep is going to end up being valuable for them. They got a ton of good options. Yeah i agree an update on ridgeway. He was being evaluated for a concussion so we'll keep you updated on that. Maybe douglas speak on in the presser. That'll be up at the podium a._m. Tomorrow also charles john to the wide receiver he picked up a foot injury during the game and did not return will be come back. We'll do some more stock up stock down as we recap the very exciting exciting in erotic week one preseason game between the eagles and the titans coming up next here on the coast and select show. We'll be right back. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson <music>. I'm ryan nanny. I'm jason kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast says in the script to riff on what that means and basically exclude every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as long as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app and we are back here on the kissed and zolak show episode one zero nine by the fine folks at s._p. Nation and bleeding nation michael kissed here with benjamin solich as we recap week one preseason action of the eagles and the titans titans. Let's do some more stock up either. Note officially announced by peterson the press conference nate setup broke his left wrist in surgery in the morning not season ending. I wonder what the recovery recovery time is on that but he's definitely going to miss a significant amount of time with that. It's good again that it's not his throwing hand so not the end of the world there so let's go back to <hes> stock up stock down on some players. Mark and michelle dude like okay so we start to look at this wide receiver position. We still haven't seen my collins. He was out there before the game catching some. I'm one hanters in the back of the end zone as branly out was was pointing out before the game but we don't know what's going on with his status. He's been day-to-day for. It seems like a year you start to look at the wide wide receiver position battle guys like shelton gibson. I didn't really see anything from him tonight. You see mark on michelle winning that that was seventy five yard touchdown. If i'm not mistaken yes seventy seventy five indeed and listen. I'll tell you right now. Eagles wide receiver core aside. You beat adore jackson for deep touchdown. Teams are gonna take tension brought that mattered yeah. I'll tell you all you don't wanna ask <hes>. I mean he he goes to the door. Jackson man garbage posted posted a good ball on. He addressed ego to address a he. He took it. Allow a jazz had a chance to make a plan the ball in our life from to go high on it but but san stern apply <unk> really quotas the met him to like he he was really excited and that that's that's what's fun about the preseason watching the guys react as they score. I don't know if it was his first touchdown but was obviously a big touchdown michelle stock up. I do not think you know the eagles wide receiver core is going to experience what for movement i would be surprised. If any of these <unk> godot c. edmark michelle potentially make the team but that play lately that plays gonna matter for michelle when other teams come calling to practice squads and felt the bottom of the bottom of the rosters that was a very high quality and a bloodline steel sony's brother oh souther michelle to have a brother or cousin yeah very nice okay yeah early in the game to just talk about people that were looking good. The eagles had three consecutive plays. I think it was on the second drive for the titans from the defense where the coverage was just outstanding <hes> with not just the quarterbacks which were jones maddox and residual but soon deo as well encouraging stop. We talked about him already but like overall encouraging urging signs. Zac brown was making some place like it's hard to find other than the safeties though we talked about earlier and dodig gary as well. I really didn't see a whole lot of bad other than the deep deep cornerbacks when you're getting into the depth chart that kinda struggled a little bit but overall like not not too much bad from the defense even though the scoreline won't own exactly tell you that but that's kind of part of the offense giving the ball up not convert on fourth down <hes> we can talk about thorson for the last ten minutes. If you want to go back to that now i would say that the all the significant move of running back would be stopped down. Josh adams campbell the football brother and also. There's no reason he's gonna give you targets. So what are you doing. Throwing screen passes to josh atoms. Get it. Yeah i mean like i guess twenty. Throw a designs in the breezy eason so yes if it's stocked down home for josh adams knocked down boston skies implies down for clemency doesn't play and sacramento smaller is said so which means five proxy z. by virtue by relative measure stock up okay what about telling you right now that flat out in third and one was going to house play dorsey good keven develop. Frigging turf is incredible. He couldn't hit him. What about dallas qatar and early in the game. He was best best player on the field best best offense weather on the field for either team in in the first quarter. Yeah i mean just an and the the he's gonna begins not scrubs. He's going to his wesley. Woodyard is going to be lose. The titans starting defense and there's just no you can't you can't he's too big and too quick to stack on. Who's great are also look good. I said well you gotta get a diving. Catch was able to get in a scramble cash and a little comeback rally days for your well. He had that that round or jackson where he was pendulum. Scourge made a good plan early on the ball as best you can so this tape wave single. Whiteside is our fago. I'd say excuse me figure whiteside yeah. I have not going to be able to say. I don't know if i can go outside our data whiteside. I think it's how you tend to be pronounced. The suss sound in spanish will traditional spanish. That's fantastic taking. I don't know if i'm going to gobble up all over again exactly but no you mentioned the match ups and you're right like yet preseason season but you're going against some of the ones and jay was going against one of the ones he when he had that diving catch that he was just not able to haul in that was against malcolm welcome butler and he did a great job. I mean good spot yeah. Sud feld sees the the one on one coverage and he's going to take a shot. We knew that coming into this thing and he got clean separation. He attacked you know the cushion. He stepped on butler's toes so to speak and you see you know he's got a step of separation and he's in great position. This is what i'm talking about when i say that he's not just a jump ball guy the actually the guy can run rounds. The guy can get open so very encouraging signs from j._j. Our website there anybody else in the offense standout today. Josh perkins wasn't bad now. That's pretty much the run a bit. I think that you're not you're simply not gonna see much movement on the eagles death dr so that makes preseason a little bit less interesting from that perspective active but then when you flip on the side. There's just a lot like we talked about this reviewing the game. The depth chart is so good that they're gonna put good players out there like dallas. Does ninety be seeing seeing that action but he's seeing the action <unk> tied into despite the fact that he is the fourth best tight end in the league so peaked before the humane snuck in the fourth best hiding the league. Show up very proud of you ben. I don't you know that that's how it feels at ease out to prove that angus year and i'm very very excited for it and what i was gonna say was i peaked in on the beginning of the giants jets game because that started at seven p._m. So he gave me a little half hour to see to see eli and i adjust absolutely adore the giants running a drawl on third and eight on their first drive and getting booed which might set a record for time time to boo in the preseason it was it was a beautiful sight right now. One of the trends on twitter as a rookie cure by gang jones is the talk of the town in n._f._l. Season opener which i mean the first drive looks fine now like tiles tyrod the frigging thing that's color murray had any kind of wedge speaking of which edge of me writing things. We have conversation yup. Why aren't we doing preseason broadcasts for the eagles. It wasn't my fault. That ross tucker got was laryngitis. It wasn't your fault either. We had nothing to do with that laryngitis. I also thought i was going to have all summer to campaign. I thought teams made this choice aren't really four days beforehand but confirm talker like in may some <unk> begun my campaign who color kander but i'm just saying the people are asking for it michael and we need to deliver you gotta get espy nation on the phone. We gotta get on the phone. Gotta get you know the commissioner schnur roger goodell and also i don't know like the supreme ruler of the galaxy. We gotta get the right people. I know we can talk to them. We case colonials preseason game and not a regular season game i want to do that. That's serious and those are actually good players on call preseason game and i demand my contract. I'm allowed. Let's say bad things okay so clean dourson. I got i got. I can't promise anything but i can reach out to some people because i know there's a format we can do this on. I did this last year with booth cast for for the <hes> fractured bearskin which was crazy to do it for because that ending but i will reach out and i'll see if i can get approval to do with ben. I'm just saying that we are very we have a lot of the podcast. We do a good job and i think we have a lot of people who listen to podcast which is a great honor and i'm not trying to stunt. I'm just saying that i think a lot of them within listen to our broadcast and i think that we would make funny jokes and i would have a good time. These are things that i think as long as long as i can get that audio file ellen dumped into the b._g._n. Feud i think we're good here so definitely check into that about i would love to call a game with you especially a preseason game where we can be silly not really care ideally the fourth preseason game <hes> the most meaningless of them are now a chance. There's even a starter on the exactly a love it ben. I think that's gonna do it for the kissing select show one nine you wanna say goodbye to the gentle listeners in thank them for tuning in for the super important preseason week one recap if you <hes> i if you go ahead and you just close your eyes for a second chapel listener you give a nice wefa breeze you smell. That's eagles football. It's back in the air baby. Welcome to the preseason twenty nineteen welcome to post game recaps on the kissing selection winners losers analysis up on dot com. You you bet your bottom. There's gonna be some film recaps up as well because there are at least seven significant place that talk about. I'm gonna watch every single one of them. Write about. We got takes deathshot movement. We got practices. We have a regrettable injuries but there are movers and shakers down the world of philadelphia football and it is a very very good thing. I am ben always on twitter at measurement so like he's mike as always on twitter at lucas n._f._l. That's k. i s. t. 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Carla Hall Does It All

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Carla Hall Does It All

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Alison Roman for tickets to the fair or the challenge visit food waste fair dot NYC today. We are sitting down with the amazing Carla hall. She has had a fascinating career. That's taken her from accounting to modeling to top. Chef it's been quite the ride, and she's here to tell us all about it. We will hear from Carla hall right after this message from handsome brook farm. Handsome brook farm believes that organic and pastured is the way to go. When it comes to eggs pasture-raised means better lives for hens better lives for small farmers and better eggs for you. It's also better for chefs who depend on rich, flavorful, eggs, handsome, Brooke farms owned flock of amazing chefs their mother hens count on it. Suzanne visitation is a mother hen. She's the chef and owner of buttermilk kitchen in Atlanta curious, how chef Suzanne makes her French toast with caramelized bananas, the ingredients include whole milk. She about a bread and some handsome brook farm eggs to make each slice as fluffy as can be. You can find chef Suzanne's, delicious, egg Centric, recipes and videos on handsome brook, farm dot com. If you're looking for handsome farm, organic pasteurized eggs, you can find them at Publix Kroger sprouts, farmers market freshdirect and many natural foods stores across the country. Here's my conversation with Carla hall. There's only one place where we can start this interview. Where's over that? And that is Cleveland you interviewed Michelle Obama as part of her. I am becoming tour. I did. So I'm just going to hand it over to you. And let me tell you. I feel like I manifested that event I saw her in Brooklyn in December. And I I want to be one of the people who's onstage saying I am becoming. That's it. You know, those those twenty seconds, right? Because just so I saw her in Boston. So people come on stage before Michelle does for the main interview and just talk a little bit. So you one of those peop- I wanted to be one of those people. I said I just wanna get up there and say, I am becoming a woman who unapologetically speaks her mind. A woman who isn't afraid to change her mind and a woman who grows her mind, and that's all I wanted to say, you know, and then I had it on my calendar. I was looking through all of the dates that she had in her tour. And I was like, okay. I'm going to let them know when I can come in what city so I'm looking through the entire tour dates and the only city that I could go to Cleveland, and I wrote it on my calendar in December. And I put a question, Mark. And then I said in my assistant, I said, oh my gosh. It's almost March sixteen that you reach out to Michelle Obama's team. She was like, oh shoot. I didn't. She reaches out two hours later, they were asking me to host slash moderate. Now, I'm holding my phone, and I'm like, wait what I respond within two minutes. All caps. Absolutely. Just in case because my name wasn't in the text. Just in case they didn't mean to send it to me. And I was going to let them deal with the awkwardness of reneging that request. So I am sure enough they meant to text me. And I was on the docket to do this interview. And it was the only date that I. I could have done it. They had asked me for any other date. I couldn't have done it. That is remarkable. How does one plan for an interview with Michelle Obama? So I had two weeks. I read the book, I listen to it. On the audio book. I've I've only read it. But I bet it's she narrates. She said, and it's fantastic. I was making notes I had all these tabs in my book. And then when I was listening to it. I was making notes in writing questions, and after that, I just they don't give you anything, by the way, they give you nothing. They they said, you know, figure out your own arc and send us the questions a week out. So I had a week to do all of this. And then I lived no rain rules. No ground rules. Wow. Pino Browns radio cherry bomb. Now. No, really, we got your entire list of Grenville kitchen. Carla had no ground. I I don't even think to send ground rules. So so I sent them and there were two questions that were just if any way and they were like, okay, not those. I'm like, I get it. And I just went and did it, and I had my questions on white papers. So I cut and pasted them and put them on cards that matched my dress. And let me. Tell you what's the sweetest thing. So Rachel Ray sent me flowers to my hotel room, and she had done the interview in Detroit, and she's doing it again in another city, the most beautiful flowers and the card said Carla you've got this in big letters. I wish I was there with you have fun, and I took that little card, and I pasted onto one of my red cards, and that was the top card that I had when I went onstage with Michelle. And it was just I and I just kept holding. And I was like they hear Rachel and seriously, it was it was just the greatest the greatest moment. And I was really really nervous. But once I talked to her, and I was just just in the moment. It's just you know, what Karl your questions are so thoughtful, we're just gonna have fun. And what that said to me was you know, what wherever it goes. It goes we're just gonna be too. Talking here. And so I asked her one question, and I just let the conversation go, and I was and I remember everything about it. Because I was present. And I looked at my cards maybe once or twice, but really it was just about her. And she is so gracious and her superpower is her empathy and her caring, and she takes care of you as the interviewer. She will not let you fail. She really takes care of you. And it was it was just amazing. Yes, she's remarkable. The Boston one was so emotional from the moment you step out of your car parked car. And like just you saw so many people walking to where the talk was young women older women men and women people taking pictures with the cardboard cutouts of Michelle and the hallways. I mean, it was just I start saw. I mean those prize. I started sobbing like the second the music start playing and you knew like she was finally coming on. Yeah. That oh, well, let me tell you not that. It's a fun fact. But it's not even really fact it's a funny thing that happened. So just before we're in the word backstage, and they're playing the movie about her life and everything and I'm getting ready to go back out there because I introduced that little clip, and we're drinking water, and she has her little flask of water that says becoming and I have a box of water, and we're doing cheers. And I said, oh, I'm drinking with Michelle Obama, and she had laughed and whatever she Lavaux. However, she laughed. I just taken the water, and I sprayed it on the former first lady, I sprayed her in her beautiful outfit, and I have never sprayed anybody. And I'm trying not to use the word spit. But I'm just giving it a better a better name. Oh my God. And I said take on the first lady, right? And then so there's somebody out there saying I am becoming and I just looked at her wet. I mean seriously. I was like what do I do here? My god. And I saw from social media, your mom and your sister. It was so special. I'm so glad that they could come. And you know that the interesting thing about that whenever I'm talking or doing events. I'm so used to going by myself because people can't disrupt their lives to come with me, especially if it means travel, and so I don't know why didn't think that they would want to come. And so I said to my mother, I'm do, you know, anybody in Cleveland who wants to go see the first lady, I'm interviewing her. She was I will I would like to go outside. Okay. All right. I'm going to get your ticket right now. And then three days later three days before the event. My sister says you still have a ticket. I would like to go like really, but my sister is a teacher so for her to come and she has to get a substitute. She has to do all of these other things, and I was like, okay. And that was amazing. And after the event and my sister busts in the in the dressing room, and she comes in. And she's like, oh my God Carl you did. So well, I'm so proud of you, and she hung. Me and that just took my breath away, an all almost made me cry because my sister is not that person my mother's that person. But my sister, isn't that person? And I realized how I do need my own people there when I do things, and so that was even more special and just to realize that sometimes we we forget, and we just we're so busy just doing it. And getting it done and being strong that we forget that we need our support, you know, our support system there just a hug us and just to be there for us. And I'm not I'm not Carla the person on television. I'm Carla the sister Carla the daughter and an hour Carla the wife, and so that was special. Oh, amazing. Congratulations. Thank you, graduations, was something you said earlier about what you are becoming. And you said a woman who grows her mind, I feel like that sort of a central theme of the book and the tour about how you're always growing your. Always changing and growing your mind is a is sort of that. Yes. You know, when I did top chef I sort of became comfortable with being uncomfortable and throughout my life. I've had these challenges, and I and I I just look at them as a challenge to help me get to the next space. And I'm like, okay. I know this is hard. And and sometimes I have to just stop feel it and say, okay, I'm gonna keep going. I'm going to move through this. And and I'm better for it. And I know I'm better for it. Just whatever comes to me, and I don't play it safe. And when you don't play it safe. And I've I've said to people you're not going to be great. If you wanna be safe, you're not going to get to the place where you are actually making a difference in this world, and you are doing the thing that you were meant to do because you have to grow to that place. So my six word novel is say yes adventure follows then growth love. So what are you here to do? You know, when I got the chew, and that was so unexpected that was twenty eleven that was twenty eleven. Yes. I was like oh my God. Why would I be on this show? I don't know how to host what? And then I said, my prayer is authenticity. My thing. I think is to remind people that they should be themselves because everybody else's taken. And you're you're meant to show up fall fail. Be happy. Joyous. If that is what you're feeling not because that's what you think you're supposed to do. You're not supposed to pretend like you're smart. I mean, get the information and be smart. You're not supposed to pretend like it's funny. If it's not funny frigging don't laugh, but the power comes from actually doing the thing that you really feel and I think so often people forget to check in to see how they feel and even with my hair going gray. I I was like this. This is who I am. You know, I don't have to look thirty and. I don't have to be that person. Because society has told me that women on television, look better when they're look young. And so every choice that I make is I check in. I'm like who am I does this serve me? I never do an endorsement with any company that I wouldn't use my own money to pay for that thing. I don't I mean, there's a a lot of people come into me and ask me what about this alcohol? Am I eat my alcohol in dishes? I don't drink. So I don't I don't do that. And because at the end of the day, I'm going to say, I don't want. I can tell you why I wanted to do that thing. I don't wanna make up a reason why all my. I don't want to do that. And I will absolutely tell you. And I'd be very open and honest and confident why I chose to do whatever it is. I did. So I wanna take it all the way back before top. Chef I want to talk about your modeling career. I used to work in beauty and fashion. Yes. I love anything, beauty, and fashion and Paris. I love to hear got to work in Paris. Yes. So how did that all happen? I was doing accounting. I had moved. I was working for Price Waterhouse when it was a big eight in Tampa, Florida, and I done the fashion shows at Howard University. They were big, you know, for homecoming and for the spring fashion show. And so when I went to Tampa, somebody came up to me and says do you model, and I said, well, I have an university. And so it became a way for me to meet other people in Tampa because I didn't know anybody. And after two years, I was working that job. I hated it. I was like oh my God. I hated it. My grandmother had always said it is your job to be happy. Not to be rich. I'm like. Cool girl because I'm I'm gonna leave this job. I'm glad to have nothing. Nothing in front of me. I met these girls who were going to Paris. And so I said, you know, what I'm gonna do that I paid off all my bills, and I had one telephone number of a girl who knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody like four degrees of separation, and then I had ten words of French. And I just went and could you say in French back, then poeple phone stay? I don't speak French. And then I went when I got there. I was trying to order something at the patisserie. And I said on croissant tubas bossy would play the lady goes and this was in late eighties. She says. Cla salt deba-. Okay. Cassat do see play. She's like close assault do and her her mouth is turning down. And she is she is just like really impatient on my. Oh my God. I'm gonna I'm gonna starve to death here in Paris. I I'm not I'm not I'm never going to get anything to eat at the time. I didn't eat ham. But I could say hem. Oh, so I was getting a ham sandwich. And I finally got that croissant. And so it was and then I had to go through the whole thing of finding an agency which is just like finding a job. They don't just take you on, you know. So, you know, I'm one of the skinny girls walking around in black with her hair all slicked back in Shingyoung with the portfolio studying there in eighty nine. So I remember you girls. Yes. I was one of them. I mean, I wasn't the one getting the job. But I was one of their walking around, you know, with the book. But that must've been I mean looking back now that must it was to look back on it. Maybe at the time when you weren't getting the gigs. I I didn't care because it wasn't the thing that I wanted to do I recognized that period as being the bridge between what I knew I didn't want to do. And what I wanted to do. And I had no no expectations of it. You know, you couldn't tell me that I failed at modeling because I'm like, well, I don't want to do this. Anyway, I was on accountant. You're not just don't wanna do that. So I was good. I did that for two years, and then I left Paris and went to London. And and it's actually in Paris where I started finding my joy and love of cooking, which I'd never cooked. I never cooked. So this woman Elaine from Memphis used to do these big brunches with the models. So all the girls would be saying, oh, my mother does macaroni like this. And there's mostly black Americans. So we were making macaroni and cheese while they were macaroni and. Cheese and buffalo wings, and if they could find the turnip tops, they do turnip greens. So we were just sort of having an American feast in Paris, and they were talking about how they made macaroni and cheese or how their moms made macaroni and cheese. And I realized I had no idea. How was it that I don't know that I've been eating macaroni and cheese for twenty five years. Why don't I know how to make it? And so I started buying cookbooks. And I started cooking for the people who were allowing me to surf on their couches. And it was a way to say. Thank you. And I just kept doing it. I remember reading that. You said you did not learn to cook from your grandmothers from your mother. Now, my mother does doesn't cook she makes hot water cornbread. But she really doesn't cook she made five things. So you really piece this all together on your own. I did you taught yourself how to cook. And paris. I did I and then that was five years when I started cooking, and then I went to culinary school at thirty. So what were you doing in between? I laughed. I started a lunch delivery service as a fluke. When I say fluke, one of my friends who was in Paris at the same time. She had come back from Paris. I was living with my sister in DC. And my sister was having a baby shower, and I was like, oh, I let me do the food. It's just like, wait. What do you cook? I'm like, yes. Let me I'm gonna make some skulls. You know, I'm going to do some chicken curry, which I had learned the coronation chicken and London. So all of these little things that I picked up. I said I'm gonna make you some food and people were were actually surprised that I was volunteering. So I made her food, and I told my friend betrays couldn't come. I said Patrice I'm going to bring you some leftovers. So you can taste my food. It's just like great because there's nothing to eat around here. So the next day. My brother-in-law had eaten the food. I'm like, wait. What I know. I'm staying with you and everything rent-free, but this is like an interview my food here give it to my friend. So I made some stuff I'm like one going to put it in. I looked around. I was a picnic basket. I said okay on the put all this stuff in a picnic basket. So I get to my friends office. And she introduces me. Hey, this is my friend Carla. She has a business and I'm like, yes, I do. And then like what's the name? I said the lunch basket and there, and then I I gave out the food. And they're like, what are you coming back tomorrow, I left there went to the grocery store got some stuff made a bunch of things again and every day, I went door to door hair salons, doctor's office florist and within a week. I had seven clients within two weeks. I had fourteen and I continue to do that for five years. And I worked every single day for five years. I was going to say fake it to you make it. That's it you hustled. I hustle. I mean, as a matter of fact, I was offended when somebody told me that I was a hustler. But I'm I it was actually now I understand that. That was a compliment today. It's a compliment. Yeah. Art. I know right. I was like, no. And I had a a mail truck. I bought for two hundred dollars. Yeah. I mean, I didn't I could barely even get the brakes work in. But you know, if you went down the hill yet the start breaking like at the top. Oh my God. Look at you. Now. Carla hall, I know how did top chef happen. Somebody calls me from my name was submitted from John discography by Catherine Newell Smith, and they were looking to get more women to apply the day that I got the call from magical ELS, my sous-chef at my catering company said I had a dream last night you were on top chef. So when I got that call I had that message on my phone. I was like, oh, you're not pumpkin me. You're not punking me. And I didn't return the call until the next day. So because I was like seriously. But then I looked at the numbers say, oh, wait, I think this is an L A number. So I sort of it was a fluke, and I didn't know Catherine Will Smith had given my name, and I went back to her. I've never asked her for any referral or anything or reference. I went to her that we do a reference to me she said, of course, silly. I gave them your. Name. I'm like really I mean, I literally came went to her on a whim, and so it was a couple of different interviews like that. And and I had my second interview. I was in. Now, my first interview I was at the CIA, and I just did my little interview. I went back to the train station to come back to the city Cullen Sotoudeh of America. Yes. Thank you for that. It was twenty minutes from being on the train. I looked at my phone. Oh, I have a matches. Now, I've been at the train station for about an hour waiting to leave. And I said, well, let me check my messages, and it was hi Carla. This is known so calling from magical elves can you come back to get a second interview. I was twenty minutes from getting on the train. They wanted you to come back that day or the train to go back. Well, right. If I had listened to my messages, I mean, these days I'm gonna listen to him but back, then I I, you know, I like, wait the. So I went back. It was crazy. There were so many little moments that say this is where you're supposed to be. That's how my life that is my life. I'm telling you. I believe in that I exercise that muscle of listening and saying to the universe, please be here when I'm not sure which way to turn and give me a sign and it happens throughout my life. I met my husband on match dot com. The first day that I went on. He picked me up. I was on there for a week done. We were married nine months later. I mean ticket booth because you know, I don't have time for that. Oh my God. Have you written a book about your life lessons yet? Now. That's my next good. I'm doing a memoir my next because memoir, I feel like the world needs. Too much. So what is it like to audition for top? Chef when you go in the row. So you have this big twenty five page application where they ask you everything, but the kitchen sink, but you know, can we have your firstborn all that stuff? Right. And then you have to do a video. So when I did my video, I'm like, let me have fun with this. I did. Okay. I started at like this is a day in the life of Carla hall. I got up it was dark outside. I said we're going to go. We only gonna run around together. And my next shot. I was down on the mall, literally running what you didn't think regard really on Iran. We're running and I was like speeded up and running down on the mall in Washington DC. And then I went to my catering company, I made something and then at the end of the video playing yahtzee because this is my life, and I am rolling the dice. And I rolled yahtzee. And that all that was on type. I'm like yahtzee. And then I submitted that that video and and so you do all of that. And they they had me come in. And then when you go in front of all of the the decision makers Andy Cohen was there there are bunch of people there, and they're about they're about eight people in this one little chair. And then they were talking about watching top chef and your experiences of watching top. Chef will I didn't really know about the show. So I had just binged all of the episodes because you know, how they play all of the episodes before they start a new season. So I just watched them all and I was like, oh, this is a cool show. So everything was really fresh, you know, and I remember this moment where Richard blaze and Dale tally. They were at an improv house, and they were doing this food moment, and I got really excited because I'm like, oh my God. They tried this. Then I was all into it. Because I just watched it. So I think. My excitement probably got me cast it. So you did not win. I didn't top chef. But I would argue you one I think so Richard blaze. Always reminds me of that. Hey, richard. Thank you people are still upset by that. Because when they re watch they'll let you should have one. And I remind them if I had one I wouldn't have got I wouldn't have done all stars. It was it was an amazing experience. And I'm so grateful for that franchise. I really am. It was it was it was tough. But the thing was when I was doing it. And I'm like, I only have to think about one dish at a time. You know, really? I I have you know, when you're catering, and you have your own business, and you have the phone you're stirring, a pot with your foot, and you're doing all these other things, and you know, but on top chef really, you're it's one one dish. But there was a spa. Right. You know, someone who runs a catering note telephone calls. I'm like to give you my phone. Okay. What? Because there are no phones there. There are no computers. There's there's no no newspapers none of that. And you're sequestered. And for me. I was like. Waiting to exhale. It was amazing. But there was one defining moment when I was on top chef in it was for restaurant wars. And I thought I was going to go home. I oh my gosh. My my my meal. My desert was a mess. The ovens were off. I put in peppermint extract instead of a nila in this chocolate. It was just a mess, but I'm standing up there, and I'm really nervous. And then my heart is beating and all of a sudden, I realized nobody has ever died up here. Nobody has fallen out and died, and that that is the ultimate worst thing. So I just calmed down. And and then I didn't go home. And so after that, I was free to do whatever I needed to do. And that's another thing. You know, it's hard because you're in your head and that was a life lesson for me. So it's just like feel it moved through it and go to the next thing. It's interesting when you think of that concept that you. Didn't win. But you one. Yeah. Because I feel like you've talked a lot about that in life that even know something doesn't happen or turn out the way you expect. It's not the end, exactly. And that goes back to Michelle. Yeah. You're always you're not one thing throughout your life. Right. So many things Michelle talks about this swerve moment, you know, when you swerve. And there's you know, you're on this path and you swerve to another path and my entire life in the in the words of Michelle Obama, I've been swerving. If it wasn't for those swerves, I wouldn't be here. I really I really wouldn't. So yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about last year last year was a tough year. Yeah. Yeah. In a few different ways, some good things. But some definitely tough things the chew came to an end. Yes. Yes. That you came to an end. I love I loved that show. I really did. It was it was surprising. And it was fast. It was swift. We had to. More weeks. Once we found out we had two more weeks to tape. And we were like, you know, we're gonna get the efforts we can be snarky. Everybody all the fears that you had about not being picked up. You're not picked up. So where are you going do have fun? And we had the best time. Interestingly enough when when we were told to things came to mind one my husband had just quit his job two weeks before. So as we were being told by the head of ABC daytime it was wrong time for a joke. But I'm like, oh, wait hold on. Let me call my husband because he just quit his job. Maybe he can get it back. Okay. He didn't think it was funny. But I thought Larry. And then the second thing that came to mind in season two when I thought I was going to get fired because it was it was such a learning curve that it was physical. It was it hurt. My I would go home crying and my stomach was hurting somebody. I don't know this the learning curve was so steep, and I went to a psychic. And I said just tell me if I'm going to get fired because I can't afford New York. So I I needed to prepare for the Anchalee to get the heck out of town. And he was like no that show is going to go for five more years. Season seven that was the second thing that I remembered, and I was like, okay universe. So what's next, and I didn't I did go through a period of sorrow anger a little bit of grief. But I also knew ultimately if the show didn't end I wouldn't have left to go to my next space. It would have something would have had to have happened in order for me to leave it because I loved it so much, and so that's how I look at this. And I said to the guys I said, we will know within a year, why the show ended, you know, and and to have that hindsight sometimes is the best thing. But what that reading gave me was the the will to look to see to be open to go into with intention to go into life. Like, okay. I don't know. What's next, but let me be open. It's it's very similar to go into a grocery store is saying, okay, I'm going to have make something delicious. And you see the entire. Store versus going in the grocery store saying I'm gonna make a lasagna. So you see more than just what those ingredients are for the lasagna. You see everything you see the possibilities. And so since since the end of may, that's what my life has been like, and I've had some amazing opportunities and some things that I would have never done because I wouldn't have had the time to do them. So one of the other challenges of of that year was your restaurant. Yeah. The restaurant closed the restaurant closed, and I was very opening up front. That was hard. I'm still losing money on that restaurant me too. Never ends. Oh my God. I don't even for those of you who listen to the show regularly is now part of the former business owners are Brooklyn club that we seem to be gathering on radio cherry on. But it's tough, man. It's tough. It's tough. But let me tell you builds character, it builds character, I have shell Obama, having empathy. I have so much empathy for people who own restaurants. Yes. And eateries and all. It is not an easy. And I think when people ask me, oh, what are you going to open a new restaurant? And if you catch me on the bad day, if you catch me on a bad day, and usually I'm pretty upbeat. But if I'm if I'm tired, and you and I've gotten that question three times already. I have heard myself say to somebody. No, I'm not going to open a new restaurant, and I don't wanna lose money for you. I mean, I'm like Karl what the heck why are you saying that so this poor little asset? And I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's just it's just you know, it's hard. You know, I think if you toughest business I've ever been in an I've I've done a lot of things about my career now. Yes point. Yeah. The restaurant businesses the toughest hands down. It's the toughest. But let me tell you. I learned so much about myself again, I know that every single experience is there for me every single experience that I have is there as a lesson for me. So I learned about what I am passionate about in terms of my food. And southern food. If I had done that restaurant. I wouldn't have had that cookbook about soul food if I hadn't done that restaurant. I wouldn't have these experiences about going into business with other people in what questions to ask. And you know, and so it was great, and I share those lessons, and I think that a lot of times when you are public figure people don't share the real lessons about something. And they don't they want. They want to appear like everything is great and awesome. And you got here very easily. And so I shared those failures and the six things that I learned with my restaurant failed. And I talked about them about a conference for multi unit foodservice operations, and then eater picked it up and then shared it again. And other chefs have come up to me and said, thank you for sharing your story and being honest, and I'm like. I I want to I can't warn you because you you have your own path. But I want you to know that it's not as easy as you think. Even for me, I'm on television. And you assume because I'm on television that it's going to be easier that I can skip to the front of the line. I can't you cannot do it in a restaurant. And there are lots of other things that you can't skip to the front line for. But that is definitely want. It will eat you and chew up. And and you little girl who want to open a restaurant because you like food don't do it. Yeah. It is tough. We talk a lot on the show about how people finance their businesses. Yes. Because for women that's often a challenge. Yes. You did a kick starter. I did I did a kick starter not necessarily to fund the business. But Moore's a marketing tool to let people know that I was doing it. And to go on that ride with me in hindsight. I probably wouldn't do it or I wouldn't do it with that amount. I may have done it. Let's say, oh, let's do a thousand dollars. It wasn't my idea to do two hundred thousand dollars which is not a lot of money for a restaurant. But people judge to me for that. I think that we started the campaign way too early because we thought we would take people through this journey because people don't know what it's like to open a restaurant, but all it create. It was frustration ending Zaidi and hate mail. So yeah, I've I've kick started things that never came to fruition. Yanked her fortune. But yours did. I was the frustrating part. You had a restaurant and we had fifteen hundred and four people to to. And I don't wanna use the word donate to be a part of our Kickstarter campaign and supporters the supporters, and I was so grateful, and the thing that kept me pushing where those people and even though those people would say, oh, my God, you have my twenty five dollars. And they didn't realize how that meant how much that meant to me. And so every day that I thought that was one delay after another. I looked at those names. And unlike thank you to these people, even though I may not have been saying to them. And then when we actually got funded I cried, and it was because of those people and that community I was so grateful at if it didn't come across that way. You know, I really was because I know for some people twenty five dollars is a lot and they chose to give it to us. But it does go back to what you said. There's too much emphasis on. Oh, everything is success. Everything is glossy, and shiny and wonderful. And we don't talk about failure. Yes enough. Yeah. That's why I like Dyson vacuum cleaners. I I love those commercials he failed. And then we have that. Great dyson. I honestly get the vacuum cleaner because of the commercials because it reminds me when I'm using it this vacuum cleaner would not be as great if it hadn't been for the failures. And it is a mantra every time I'm vacuuming. I'm honestly remembering that failure breeds success. Absolutely. Despite what happened with the restaurant. I feel like you put so much. Good stuff and good vibes out into the universe that you have repaid. Everybody back, and that's thank you. We have so much to learn from you. It's a long time to meet, but I'm really happy that we did. And I'm thrilled. You're part of the bomb squad. Now, thank you so much. I I love talking to you carry and I'm so glad that it worked out. And this was so wonderful. Just thank you very much. That's it for today show. Thank you too. Carla hall. All for speaking. With us. You are such an inspiration. And we are very happy to have you in the bomb squad. This interview was recorded at the wing and Dumbo. 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Food For Thought: Bakers Gotta Bake

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Food For Thought: Bakers Gotta Bake

"Hi Bomb Squad. Welcome to food for thought. A Radio Cherry bomb miniseries. I'm Kerry diamond founder of Cherry bomb. We wanted to know what's on the minds of food folk across the country so last year we hit the road to eat drink and talk with hundreds of you and recorded the whole thing live since many of you are home right now and doing a lot of baking. We thought it'd be nice to dip into our tour archives and bring you the best vour. Baker talks get ready to hear from some amazing folks about their love of all things sugar flour and butter speaking of butter. Thank you to carry gold for supporting our food for thought tour Carey. Gold is the Irish brand known for. Its award winning butter and cheese made with milk from grass fed cows from family farms all over. Ireland. We'll be hearing more about their amazing products later so stay tuned carry. Gold is also helping US bring to life our jubilee. Two Point Oh conference. It's happening this Sunday April fifth entirely on instagram. You CAN RSVP via Cherry bomb dot com. We've got a great lineup for you including Alice Waters Dorie Greenspan Michelle Ma Bailey and many others in addition to carry gold. We need to thank Jane. Walker by Johnnie Walker Maple Hill creamery and the winds of Rio. Ha for their support. If you'd like to take part in Jubilee two point Oh and share something. You're making baking or doing just use the Hashtag CB jubilee so everyone can follow along. See You on Sunday okay. Everybody let's hear from cake artist. Amanda Favor who spoke during our Atlanta tour stop. Our event was held at Jeff Anchor. Toronto's star provisions and it was the very first stop on our two thousand eighteen tour topic baking in the future. Of course my brain went to spaceships. The beastie boys song intergalactic and freeze dried astronaut food. But since those are all really craft ideas. I decided to ask Instagram with the future. Baking would be. Here's what I heard. There was speculation about baking with herbs. Three D. sugar printed bakes baking with even more alternative flowers. Sugars fats superfoods. Baking on space stations. More focus on using sustainable ingredients in baking using natural food dyes baking with cricket flour and I could go on and on for my instagram research. And maybe one day we'll get together and three D. print up some chocolate. Eclair is made with cricket flour. I would eat them. Would you guys please try right? Not but I figured before we got into the future we need to talk about now and why we bake to me. It's very personal. Baking is currently a beautiful delicious way that we treat ourselves and others. It's a way to celebrate the good days and get us through tough days. I hope in the future that will be making baking mostly for celebrations Those are the most on aches but for now. I'm happy to bake the cakes for the Tina fey style. She shaking on the times when that's the appropriate thing to do and I'm happy to pan. Bang my cookies. Have you guys made the PAN being cookies? We take the sheet pan and flat in the cookies out. It's a great way to get out some angst but I cannot wait for the day I feel like when I think about the future. I can't help thinking about the events that will bake for and I can't wait for the day. We Bake for celebration of our first female president. That would be pretty awesome. I can't wait to bake for my daughter when she gets a job and she has equal pay and it's not even a thing by then she's five years old right now and I love her to come in and say I got a job. Here's what I'm getting paid and I'm like so excited because equal and I hope she doesn't even know why I'm excited another thing that we can use to predict. The future of baking is currently. Who are the baker's I lurk around a lot on social media and I've noticed and you probably have to if you follow bakers that the community is crazy strong for topic? They can go really nostalgic very gingham. Full skirts vary betty draper. I thought about wearing that tonight and then I was like The Baker's I know are thoroughly modern. The trend of collaboration over competition is something. That's talked about often and I'm really happy to say that I see it in action every day. The passionate bakers that I know are fantastic people. There is a flurry of ideas. Sharing idea honing encouragement bakers. Come up with very creative ways to help their communities and a generous sharing skills this to me is the way of the future. Women are amazing. You guys know that but sometimes I think we let the amazingness of another woman make us feel less amazing and I don't see that so much with baking in baking I see less comparison and more celebration of our differences for example something as simple as frosting a cake their endless ways to do it. You can pipe your frosting smoother frosting comb your frosting you can cover your frosting and then that's not even talking about all the different flavors that you could have but I do see that Baker's don't divide up into groups of frosting people. We don't support this mood broadcasting people because I'm smooth frosting girl or support the REF frosting people because I'm a rough frosting girl. It crosses all the lines. There's a respect for another Baker's art that comes without having to make yourself feel lesser or suspicious of the other person we learn from each other and we're excited to see the other bakers succeed because it means baking a succeeding in that means we. All win is Baker's so all that laughable about who are the bakers are and what are we baking. What is the future of baking? I think there maybe less opportunities to work with our hands in the just because of technology and all these things that are really wonderful. But I'm sure that we'll still make bread. Bakers will still mix up flour salt sugar yeast. Because it's amazing. We love to eat it and the process of making it is an experience like no other in the future. We'll be able to do even more with our devices. I can't even come up here without my device but I do think that will put our devices down. Put some candles on a cake. Celebrate another year of life and enjoy the cake together even in the future and I think that we will still no matter how much we learn about our health and make decisions about how to build our best bodies. We'll still continue to things like a warm cookie because it makes all this like shitty moments worth it to get that cookie. It's totally worth it. In the future the techniques will change. The ingredients will evolve our will look and perform differently. The future of baking is super solid because baking is a way to bring people together. It brings communities together friends together families together and whether we're living in cities on a farm apartments houses or even future science state space pods which I really like to think about. I think something sweet and baked will still draw out and draws together. It's an affordable luxury. It's creative it's comforting and it's fun and it was all of these things for our grandmothers and it'll be these things for our children too. So cheers speaking. Thank you Amanda. If any of you need some cake decorating info or just a burst of loveliness be sure to check out what? Amanda is up to on Instagram. Next we'll hear from Sam cade of cakes from Dallas Texas tour. Stop at the Beautiful Adolphus Hotel. So Hi my name is. Sam Cade a case and obviously here to talk about the future of food but for me personally when I WANNA talk about food. I really can only talk about cake. I eat sleep and breathe cake all day every day in this really all started with a major sweet tooth and I know a lot of people say they have a major sweet tooth but no no no. I have a major sweet tooth. I get messing donuts every Friday. If you know you know and I also eat cake for breakfast every day with Black Coffee. It is just the perfect way to start. A sweet tooth is something to be dealt with. So you combine that with a knack for anything creative that tends to be on the Messier side. Any Arts and crafts project really just anything. That just makes a huge mess. You put those two together. That's pretty much cake decorating. It all started. I've worked everywhere from just your typical bakery to a waffle dessert food truck. I worked there when I was down in Austin attending the University of Texas and I soon began to discover that millennial birthday cakes. I didn't realize this was such a thing these tended to be shaped. I don't know who I thought I could do shakes because I was just starting in. They were typically alcohol focused hints your twenty first birthday cake a lot of bottles a lot of drunk barbies that kind of thing. So two years on an awesome went by like a complete blur. I was attending business. Classes somewhat and baking cakes on the side and somewhat trying to maintain a social life and by the end of it as you can predict. I dropped out of school and took my last accounting final. Thank God and started French Pastry School in New York. Two weeks later so pastry school pretty much just confirmed everything I already knew and that I don't have the patience for bread. Baking CHOCOLATE MAKING. I wish I did but I really just love cake any K- I got my absolute dream job at Momofuku bar. I was so excited. It was the best of the bus but I missed doing the one on one cakes that I did down in Austin. I missed that one on one customer interaction in the custom orders so before I knew it I moved back to Dallas. Which is where. I'm from to start doing custom cakes. So that's a little bit about me and you can of realize how I got literally right here and but now let's talk about cake. I think my young cake is probably a little different than you would expect so I think we can all agree. The birthday cake is so timeless like everyone has memories of a birthday like the concept. Probably like cheers. Few things are universally celebrated as a birthday with some version of a cake. But as real no everything is getting upgraded and although the birthday cake is so intertwined with tradition it needs to be upgraded like everything else. We're competing like everyone else to me. Competition isn't really what you would expect. It's taken me. I guess. Five years of making cakes to realize that everyone has a birthday and birthdays are three hundred sixty five days of the year so there's plenty of birthdays and birthday cakes to really go around for everyone. So you're not really. I don't even think of like competing with other bakeries or other bakers as much of a thing I feel like now in two thousand eighteen and any food industry. You're kind of competing with things like pop cultural performances or like social stunts. Everybody's trying to be the wow factor of the night so really what I mean by that to put in more simple terms is I want any cake to be the most instagram aspect of an event. I wanted to be the most virtually shared. This sounds like a little aggressive. How are we going to do that with a birthday cake? It's just it doesn't matter so let's back up. I really think that it's about like balancing a mix of competition inspiration from things like food trends artists on the rise pop culture icons in fashion movements. Really anything like that. Like the best example is my most popular. Cakes are my food cakes. And if you're like what the Hell is a food cake? It's anything anything you want to be like your favorite food. Turn into a cake. So I've done everything from like a water cheeseburger for three hundred people to like a Sushi board to an officer plotter meat and cheese spread pancake. Stack. I'm sure you can find your favorite food on their. This kind of cake is a direct correlation to where think the consumer's mindset is today. If you look through your instagram feed. What is on there more than anything else? It's probably food. Okay and I know this crowds. Instagram feed is filled with food. So I think that are just like perfectly represent if you can find the balance for me. I think of balancing like inspiration in competition with the categories. I mentioned before. And then also you just need to add in that personal element that direct to that customer consumer. That's when you get the magic that's when you get the instagram. That's when you get the virtual share little things like this like I feel like every time I look at my email. I seriously get crazier request. I don't know where people get these ideas. I think it's from like pinterest and TV shows and who knows but everyone seems to be trying to order something crazier than the last. If they're not trying to beat their cake. They ordered last year from me. They're trying to beat the cake their front ordered last week. I seriously like email. I need to change it immediately. It's it's pretty fun and dramatic. I think it's unnecessary but it's fun. It keeps it keeps my day to day interesting so yeah so I feel like now in any aspect. People don't always want the bestseller or what's the most popular. They see. They want something. That's completely custom to them and just totally unique in one of a kind so really like as I'm baking. There's a few questions I asked myself pretty much every I'm like. How can the case that may today be different than yesterday? And what trends and my most excited for tomorrow that I can infuse today. And what are people doing in other industries on? How are they setting the social media bar so high? Don't like to look at cakes or food industries. I like to go completely out of the box so things like that. Keep my day to day interesting and really key. Eat Baking case different every single day. I know that sounds like can get repetitive. But it's really different. I've made about twenty to thirty cakes a week and I also got D magazine's best birthday cake two years in a row. I'm pretty convinced. They just created that category. I think they just created it to get free cake at the event to add to the open bar. But it's fine I'll take it. I'll take it so it's been. I've had an amazing time here in Dallas and I just think it's important to keep like the mindset of developed here of like constantly creating evolving and looking around so I can add onto the inspiration and definitely the competition. That's going to be waiting for me so wish me luck. We'll see how it goes. Thank you SAM. Be SURE TO CHECK OUT. Kids cakes on instagram. To See SAM's creations will be back with our next piece of baking wisdom after we hear word from Kerry Gold Carry. Goat is delicious all natural butter and cheese made with milk from Irish grass fed cows. Our Farming Families Pass their craft and knowledge from generation to generation on fifth-generation goes back over two hundred fifty years. This traditional approach is the reason for the rich taste of carry gold enjoy delicious new sliced shredded. Carry go cheddar cheese available in mild or savory flavors at retailer near you find your nearest store it carry code. Usa DOT COM. Get ready to hear from one of my favorite baking bad asses. Rebecca Mason also known as the Sugar Ferry Rebecca is the owner of fluff baked bar in Houston Texas. The talk was recorded at Nancy's hustle. One of the coolest places in that big town being the face of something is really hard right and so now I just put myself in a position where I get to do it all over again. We finally got to a point where I could hide in the kitchen and waved to people instead of actually talk to them because not everybody gets my sense of humor. You asked me what my favorite thing is and I'll tell you none of it because I've making it for eight years or are they look at you in the kitchen and they like. She looked so angry right. I've considered Bo talks. I all these things because I have a resting bitch face. You know. Unfortunately you know not unfortunately but it's a fact like our male counterparts in the kitchen. They're focused right. You see the chef on the line and he's hollering at someone. He's not angry. He's focused right. But I'm in the kitchen with the equivalent of Pastry Napalm and I'm angry so these are all these things that as a business owner I didn't think about. I thought I just get to go in and make cookies right. So let's now let's just do it all over again right so I'm going to pick up. Fluffy Baked Bar. And I'm GonNa put it somewhere else. I can't tell you yet where Lisa's signed. We're doing it it's happening but I'm not telling you where yet and I get to do this all over again. I get to learn new customers and they get to learn me and I get to find you know now now. We have a parking spots and they're all mine and you can park their right. You don't have to drive around the buildings but it's I don't know why I keep doing it to myself. Maybe it's this passion that I have this fact that I like to make delicious cookies and pies and bars and brownies and ice creams and now croissants in Karachi's and cinnamon rolls and I just keep going and going and going. It's hard though it's very hard. It's it's crazy it's insane. You know I've already mentioned. Mrs Wilson wants this. My mom I literally couldn't do this without her like they say what is it they say behind. Every man is a good woman. We'll guess what behind every pastry chef? There's a damn good mom right and she's Oh anti misuses. She's there every Saturday. Morning comes see her so these are the things that as a woman business owner trying to make my way. That are my hurdles that I have to go through every day. So if you do come in the bakery and I'm not angry I promise you can wave to me. You can say hi to me. But these are things that people don't realize and don't think about you just see this rosy cheeked ruffled apron girl making cookies and you think that's Betty Crocker. That's you know who that's supposed to be well. Obviously I'm not right but I'm still good at my job. I'm still good at what I do. I have successfully had a business for almost nine years and from what I understand. That's kind of a landmark moment and so I just want everyone who follows behind like who comes every every person who comes in my kitchen like every person that I am in the world or you know Julianne all buddy all an equity and all these ladies who are killing it in their game like we're showing future females like. Come on you can kill it too. So that's really my food for thought. Thank you Rebecca. If you want to help out the fluff team check out the fluff. Big Bar website to see what cookies and Merch. They have available for our last talk. We'll hear from my good friend. The one and only join the Baker Aka Joy Wilson. She joined us for our event at the ace hotel during our stop in New Orleans Baker as the name implies and a blogger a yoga teacher and and a teacher of baking. I opened up my Bake House home studio two years ago now and not that half an hour ago. I made a sweet potato pies with them in my house for Thanksgiving and it has felt like a lot of my work is alone on a computer and opening my house to people has been really rewarding way to connect with people in and out of New Orleans so my story and journey with food started like anyone who's obsessed with it in my parents kitchen and my dad taught me how to bake and he is a neurotic enthusiastic. Baker and didn't give me any issues. Don't worry I also learned from my aunt. Who was blinded by a brain tumor in her thirties and she baked before and after she lost her sight and she taught me a lot about being connected to your ingredients through touch. When you don't have all of your senses and then I started working in restaurants which is absolutely insane thing to do. You have to guard your spatulas so they don't use like onions. Nina and I feel when I think about the future of food I think back to a future of food. That happened in my opinion. Ten to fifteen years ago that I was serendipitous Lee. A part of a started my blog Baker about eleven years ago now and it didn't didn't know it at the time but it was a big transition in the way that people have access to recipes and home cooks and it opened up a lot of different voices in the food world and opened up access for people to have interactions with different recipes and different from different countries and cultures and it was a cool time and I still blog and I might be the only one that still does it. And that's okay when I think about where we're headed Feels daunting and exciting. And it's you know it's impossible to know but with all of that uncertainty. I wanted to steal it down to the things that are certain like the idea that baking soda and buttermilk make the best biscuits or the idea. That fried donuts are always better than baked doughnuts. And I don't even know why we do that other thing why we don't need to do that. And the certainty now and in the future that baking is a practice an art and for the people that love it a lot. It's meditation but its aim is connection connection to the people that million flower or the people that grow your strawberries and a connection over celebration or over loss or seeking comfort and I think that the future food is in the generosity of our connection in that way and it creates space to know each other to me and I know it's just a cookie or it's just a cake but it is creating a space to be curious about someone or to learn something and so I think our future and our intention behind that connection thank you. Joy Joy by the way is teaching some baking classes on zoom. That you do not want to miss. Check out her instagram for more details. That's it for today. Show a big thank you to carry gold for supporting our tour and providing us with beautiful butter and cheese at each stop. Our show is produced by just seidman. And Hey Justin I in the rest of the Cherry bomb team sent our best to all of you. Hang in there. Everybody as always. Thanks for listening. You're the bomb

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Phase II Has Begun

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Phase II Has Begun

"The You by. The. Check welcome back to the rose. Bowl and podcast otherwise known as R B. P presented by bowling media. I'm your host. Ross Bohlin and I would be remiss if I didn't start today's show by giving you an update on bullying media HQ otherwise known as my house. You're well aware of the situation that developed in my backyard over these past several months. With. The squirrels establishing their domain. Ruling was supreme authority and disrespect unlike anything we've ever seen. Last night. I Shit you not. I'm sitting in this chair in my living room. There's a specific chair I. Like to sit into chill. Fuck out when I'm too worked up. It's got this energy this chair. And I'm sitting in that chair. It's dead silence in my house. Right Pitch Black all the lights off man. I'm about to go to bed. I'm big stoned and I just got stuck to this chair on the way from my office to the bed. You know sometimes when you really really high, or maybe you don't. But when you really really high, sometimes like you'll be in your backyard and you like sweating like you know you've got your fucking chainsaw out. If you're one of my neighbors and you're, you're sweating out there with no shirt on just fucking doing man stuff and you're going to go get gatorade and then on the way to the fridge. From the outside to the fridge you forget you had that mission that original goal to get that gatorade. When you lose that somewhere along the way, and you end up on a couch or in a comfy chair somewhere lounging on a bed and then a bunch of time pass isn't suddenly. You realize what what was I doing? It was one of those moments okay. And as I'm sitting there. I hear this noise. It's almost like a chilling. Like a! Like I don't even know how to. It's coming from inside the Goddamn Wall. Okay like eight feet from me. It's like A. Tattoo. Like. It could almost been a bird or a bug like. I don't really know. I like Ross you ate. Those two edibles. Remember just chill out. Bro just try to breathe, but then I heard it again. And then it stopped. And then like fifteen seconds past, and then I heard it on the other side of the room from where I originally heard, and my first thought is fuck dude. The squirrels have breached the walls. During chitter in shit, probably harvesting nuts and acorns by the thousands in their building a fucking community in the walls while I sleep in watching me. which would explain the mysterious league I talked about on the show the other week because a squirrels her up there probably. I mean I went down the rabbit hole. I was seeing a squirrel, king and Queens sitting on thrones and Shit, so I started tweeting about it because I'm freaking out I'm in my living room on. They've breached the walls. And I swear I. Didn't even mention the squirrels because I didn't want to seem insane. I was just saying I heard a noise and somebody was like. It's the squirrels. Someone also tweeted at me. Imagine a demon scratching on the inside of the walls. which was not pleasant to consider right before bed. Big stoned, but then something weird happened. Have you ever been like in your room? You know you're getting ready for bed. About to go to sleep or whatever maybe you're already in bed, the covers up over your neck, but you not over your head. And you think you hear something that there might be something you're going to get a little scared. You pull the covers up over your head, or maybe just over your eyes or whatever? And then you keep having the feeling and then eventually you're like I gotta face. And you pull your covers down and you look around the room just to see and you're like item, but there's that other amped up version of that where it's like you get so freaked out that you're like not only do I have to face? I have to talk shit to this entity. You've had that. Have you ever talked shit to an invisible entity? Because after like the the demon tweed, then I got all jacked up and I was like. Because I got scared and I was like I gotTa fucking. Come at this thing. I got set the tone. It's like when you go into prison. You know they tell you like. Go Up to the biggest baddest dude and just pop him. Set the tone. I was like I, gotTa set the tone. Is this entity so? I was like come to demand. If you want to Stiglitz, fucking Goat like I'm like screaming my living room. That's where I met I I'm talking shit to an invisible entity. But I swear their into that. I started doing that when I was like in high school. At some point I remember being bed now. Free Del by like I thought that was a goes to shit my room and that was like well. Let's go bitch like because for real. If the entity let you talk that Maj Shit, too. It's face and doesn't come at you vignette road still your domain. That entity is bitch made no sack. That entity is not to be respected. If I come if I could getting your entities and say fuck you come at me then and you got nothing. I know I'm good. Anyway the scores of likely entered phase two. If they find my body questions, squirrels first then the racists. Or P. Three brought by liquid. IV proper hydration is crucial for you're. Boom unity more vitamin C. than an orange as much potassium as a banana delicious would IV packed with vitamins, B, three beef, I b, six twelve vitamins known to help your body defend against infections, the an easy healthy solution for dehydration I drink one before every single studio session at this point because I need water I can't drink a whole bunch of water during the hour. I'm talking to you one stick liquid IV in sixteen ounces of water, hydrogen faster and more efficiently than water alone, each serving provides as much. Hydrogen is two to three bottles of water, plus all those vitamins I mentioned. If you're dehydrated, try liquid IV. 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I can't talking to this microphone, so thank you very much for offsetting the bullshit. It means the world to me to see you doing that. So I want you to know I see happy birthday to Brantley Fuller today drew bonds. Congrats on graduating Jacob she to. RUN THE JEWELS drought. Their new album today I'm to listens through. I will review at some point last Friday's shoe off against Barstool. KFC was a great success. I will share the video on social media soon, so keep a lookout for that if you missed it. We've read chapters one, two, three and four. Of The T.F FM book on Twitch Dot. TV Slash boss role in the last three Sundays at nine PM Central, time. We'll be doing chapter five Sunday nine PM. Central time twitch dot TV slash boss rolling. Early and if you miss chapters one two and three. They're available on Youtube. Dot Com slash bowling media. I will be putting up chapter for either tomorrow or the next day before the reading. This Sunday's reading chapter five t.f in book nine PM CD First Segment. Insane headlines of the, day. On know how to segment words find some headlines there, important or funny or Entertaining for one reason or another and they're they. They're insane. They make you. Here's your first one. George George Floyd. Was a Houston rapper who worked with DJ SCREW? From vulture yet forty six year, old George Floyd. Who was? Killed By police on May, twenty, fifth. Before he moved Minneapolis in two thousand eighteen. Floyd lived in Houston. And he was active in the rap scene as reported by the Houston Chronicle of most notably, he worked with the screwed up click. The collective led by the late local icon. Dj Screw. Dj Screw for those of you. Who are unaware is one of the biggest influences on southern hip hop. Rap in general. And Especially in Houston, is an icon. When we all know and celebrate. And the fact that George Floyd worked with him is in is insane. If you told me they were that, they had met, and there was a photo of them. That'd be crazy. To know that they work together in the Floyd was actually involved in the screwed up click and potentially like the founding of in some of the stories I saw. That is bonkers. He wrapped on multiple mix tapes as big floyd during the nineties. And they dug up some tracks. And I. saw one of them circulating on twitter, and this is legit like I listened to it. It's real. It's Chris Wild. In many. He worked as a bouncer most recently at the restaurant Congo Latin bistro before it closed because of the corona virus which is now where some of that weird speculation about. One of these cops were there two or some shit, but apparently they didn't even know each other. Anyway. George Floyd. Just to even further the story of the man who lost his life may twenty fifth. Just to make it even more personal for me. As crazy. y'All know how much I love Houston Jonah how much I love Houston rap. So now we've seen all these Houston. Rappers, all dudes. I've idolized my whole life stepping up in leading the city. And I think they had a sixty thousand person. Peaceful protests are peaceful march yesterday in protest. Whatever whatever the fuck you WANNA, call it. Very, proud to see that. In my hometown. I wish I was there to have been a part of it honestly. But Yeah Dude. George Floyd. The SEC, DJ screw unreal I, couldn't. I couldn't believe I. Literally thought it was like a that was a bullshit story. There's no way was real and it is next headline. Carol Baskin. Awarded Zoo once owned by Tiger. King Joe Exotic. y'All know about. That fucking Bitch Carol Baskin. Will they were. You can't make this shit up. She got the zoo. She got Joe Zoo. A judge ruled in favor of Baskin's big cat rescue corporation. Monday of this week. In It gives her control of sixteen acres of land in Garvin County Oklahoma that is home to an animal park with an array of big cats. That, we all saw. freaking real so apparently there trashing the place to leave it for like chaos. my God. You can't destroy never ends. Story never frigging ends. I mean Joe exotics locked in prison because he attempted to hire a Hitman to have murdered. Three thousand dollars. Also that he shot and killed five tigers in sold baby lemurs in falsified paperwork to say they were donated. Not a good did just to be clear. Just to be clear, nobody wins in the story of tiger. King or Carol Baskin that fucking bitch. Headline related to Care Baskin Sheriff says will of Carol. Baskin's late husband Don Lewis was forged. So. As of yesterday, the Hillsborough County. Sheriff Chad Crawford declared the that will. Of Carol Baskin's missing husband that was speculated that it might have been faked it one hundred percent or forty one hundred percent, a forgery said. Baskin has repeatedly said she had nothing to do with his disappearance. He was declared dead in two thousand and two. Was Joe Right all along. Next Segment And now. Ross Bowling's animal of the week. Our animal the week. Is Negative matter particles. Negative Matab Nichols one of those two. It's a Chilean dog that acquired fame due to his participation in the street protests that took place in Santiago Chile during the two thousand and tents. It's the thing you saw. Go crazy viral on twitter over the last couple of days, the story this dog. He gained fame university circles of Santiago mainly in the University of Santiago Metropolitan of technology. In central enduring the two thousand eleven student protest Negro Mata Mata Pacos Matab. became known for participating in the street marches in attacking members of CARABA narrows the Chili which garnered the sympathies of the protesters crushed it. He would continue to participate in demonstrations throughout the decade, but the twitter threat is glorious. It's like all right so from this dude at respectable on I. Don't a fuck about him. He puts up. A picture says during this time of protest. We all use an uplifting story so I want to tell you about L. Negro topical. The heroic Chilean protests dog, who hated police. And as a picture of him like. Going at these cops. It, says his name means black cop killer. He was a stray dog who began showing up support. Chilean student protesters in two thousand eleven. He gained fame for never hurting a civilian, but always turned aggressive against the police. He was a fiercely aggressive fiercely protective of the protesters would accompany them into danger was always on the front lines I mean it shows them like in their getting sprayed out with fire hoses and water cannons. He never retreated embarked and thrashed in Nash's teeth because he was brave, says he gave absolutely zero fucks here. He is making love his lady. Friends in front of the COPS painted paint-splattered tanks. He's. Another dog in front of Bike riot control vehicles. He was always a backup. Friends Guy like grabbing his Dick I'm not really sure what happened He understood solidarity understood who the violent thugs were, and he was just a dog. Any never gave the cops. A moment's peace chosen like going at these cops Anyway. Apparently he passed away some point. Possibly Wild Shit Shadow. Wild. Fund In. No way shape form my encouraging attacking police officers just to be clear. The answer none of this in as attacking each other, there's a there's a definite disconnect somewhere there. We cannot just shame people. Everybody's going to have to change. On our side to on the good side, too. I'm just qualifying myself in the good side now. I'll be the judge of me. Are. Also brought to you by quip, makers of the greatest toothbrush oral care products all the land and longtime supporter of this podcast. I don't know about you, but my morning routine has not been the same in twenty twenty so more than ever. It's important that while I'm brushing brush effectively. 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Ip Dot com slash, be quip the good habits company. Next segment. Bad Ass bitch you haven't heard of. Doris Miller. Say His name Doris. Miller Doris Dorie Miller was in American sailor in the United States, Navy. Command anti-aircraft guns during the attack on harbor on December seventh nineteen forty one. for which he had no training. Absolutely zero experience with these anti aircraft guns. And, he went for it. He also tended to the wounded. He was born in Waco Texas. Texas October! Twelfth Nineteen nineteen. To connery in Henrietta Miller, that's who he was born on October twelfth, Nineteen nineteen. It was recognized. By the Navy for his actions in Pearl, harbor, and awarded the Navy Cross making him the first black American to be awarded the Navy cross the second highest decoration for valor awarded by the Navy after the Medal of honor. For his heroic efforts during Pearl Harbor. The horrific attack on the harbor. Both tending to the wounded then firing rounds dude. Nearly two years after Priori was killed in action when his ship Lipscomb Bay was sunk by Japanese submarine during the Battle of masking. After his death memorial service was held on April thirtieth, nineteen, forty, four, the Second Baptist Church in Waco Texas sponsored by the Victory Club on May twenty eighth. Margaret was dedicated and more high school in Waco it on her him Miller was officially declared dead by the Navy November twenty, fifth, nineteen, forty, four, a year, and a day after the loss of Lipscomb Bay because he was presumed missing, he was not one of the people whose body was recovered. And he was featured, actually just ran fact from before his death on the nineteen forty-three navy recruiting poster. That said above and beyond the call of duty designed by David Stone Morton. If you Google doors, Miller you will see that recruiting poster among the images that show up. One of the great black members of our navy, the first black American to be awarded the Navy Cross. In our bad ass, vet. You haven't heard of. Next, segment. Announcing Bowlin media employee number two. So I didn't really get to talk about this. When it happened a few days ago, so unless you were on twitter announced it twitch. DOT TV slash B.. O. S., R., O. L. E. IN. We have officially concluded our search for bowling media employee number two in July. You will meet him. His name is Chris Colson I basically vetted in interview dude for six months, no joke. I met him on twitch ironically enough. Played His shit tone of apex legends with him. got to talking about a lot like life. Shit Yada Yada Yada. He ended up being exactly what we need. So I flew him in for a formal interview to be certain and certain. This kid is it? We have a number two. We have a permanent coast for you will be featured on every single episode of our BP starting next month when he arrives in Austin Texas. I'M GONNA choose to leave Chris to be as much of a mystery as possible for now and let you get to know him naturally. But this kid is special. He's meet ten years ago. He's GonNa make a huge difference on this show, and in this world and I'm very story all the meet him when the time comes aside from being the coast on our VP. And we'll still be mixing in some of our old favorites as well by the way, but he's also going to be taking on responsibilities in the marketing department with patriotic as well. You're going to be seeing things. Improve across the board on social media. All over the place can't wait can't wait. For the dude, I called Kohl's. To start. or VP three or two also brought to you by Mac Weldon, which is better than whatever you wearing right now mac, and will be the most comfortable underwear, socks, shirts, undershirts, hoodies, and sweatpants, and more that you will ever wear. They have a line of silver underwear, and they're naturally anti microbial. 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I've seen the people going out of their way to make sure that they do more than just post a square or whatever? And I see you guys who feel uncomfortable by all this angles. Who are finding yourself in a position? Where maybe you're having, have your eyes open to something that you would never had them open to before in. You're doing the right shit. You didn't bounce from the show. You're still hear. You didn't freak out on me on social media. You're willing to talk. In you're willing to know that I'm not coming from this from a place of self righteousness. I have openly admitted to being part of the problem. In the past. In openly committing to being part of the solution moving forward. And I see all out there. And I see everybody poured in offset the fucks who left? To. Be Clear fucking. I always said. I don't want you to agree with me on everything. Do that would be weird, but if you're not at least willing to have a conversation with meeting. Yeah, there's not much point in you listening to my podcast. If you just here to take what I say adopted in regurgitated. You've missed the point entirely. Take what I say in. Apply it to your shit. In Find Your path in your reasoning with it and learn yourself. It has to actually click in. That's the only way it can. We lost a lot of followers man. I lost more followers on twitter and instagram in the past four days I probably did the rest of my career combined. No Bullshit, but we gained a lot too I saw new ones porn into offs I mean we lost overall, but we gained. People were offsetting some which was nice. Into those of you who are still here that don't agree with me. Totally good on you because you've made the first step toward becoming a balanced and helpful human being. Which is a step I? Try to make every single day to. In it's literally the only way to live a happy and fulfilling life in my opinion, I feel truly awful for the people who are so off. Put what I had to say in three hundred one the they they. They felt they had to unsubscribe from my show. But. To be clear on one more thing. We cannot heal through more hate. You will not reach people with vitriol. Or attacking, we need caring understanding because that's the problem if we don't understand if we just virtue signal and then get back to our lives. The lack of understanding, what's causing all this from all sides? White people didn't understand clearly well enough fully what racism means or how it impacts the lives of their black brothers and sisters in America. Daily black people didn't understand fully. That gap was as large as it was that a lot of white people genuinely didn't get it straight up. Because of the same systematic racism, we need to defeat because their parents parents parents. Parents kept the lie going on down. The family tree in nobody has stopped to teach them. Here's exactly what's happening. Here's what black people really feel and here's why they feel it. Drew brees. Is an example. Of somebody like this, he didn't. He doesn't get it man. I know so many dudes like drew. Who've regurgitated that type of bullshit their whole lives? He still doesn't get. He sees distracted by what they want him to be distracted by. He's been fed a lie his whole life. That's the the fucking beauty of this. Is that people like drew? Brees said that she today he's the brainwashed one. White Americans we were brainwashed to man. They made us believe this shit that drew brees said today. Nobody, ever told us. Oh, by the way black people They have a totally different perspective feeling when they look at the American flag or hear the national anthem which when you really think about, it makes sense because you don't. What the fuck that such an obvious and easy thing to understand why the fuck did nobody ever present that to me before like I didn't understand that dude. I never once occurred to me when I was doing the national anthem. We're looking at the American flag at a sports game Yom Crazy how much different this must be for a black person right now. Of course feel the same shit we feel. How stupid we thinking that they did. What you fucking Selfish Morons! We are I. mean me to me, Neem Ross Ross Bohlin. I was a selfish moron. Ignorant, fucking Buffoon, a needed to be further education. This is this is something that I've. Worked on for many years now because I've had that realization several times in my life at this point. It's just. I'll say this to I see black leaders and black content, creators and black athletes taken the time to explain these things to white people in a way, that really resonates like I've never seen before, and it's incredibly moving and thank you for doing that for us. Because we needed him. It's not funny like. It's funny, because it's sad that we need it, but you have to laugh to keep from crying, but it's fucking. It's so necessary that we have these tools to understand each other we've never tried to. That goes both ways a little bit I know that for a fact now without good reason, don't get me wrong. From black to white, not without good reason from white to black I. Don't know what the fuck are. Deal is just scared or something like. I have never done enough to be a friend of black, people. Never. And that's what I'm trying to say like. Not Coming out here preacher from a soapbox to people trying to tell your bunch of fucking races scumbags who like Bro I was one of you in the in the little, not racist at any point, but in the little stupid. fucking thought bubble. We got birth into where we have all these weird delusions about America that just simply false. In one-sided. In that's been incredibly. Difficult for a lot of us to swallow I, know it because I see are struggling like a motherfucker, argue individually. It's nuts. But I see. I see a lot of you. I see more white Americans taking steps to understand black people and try to help them this week than I have at any point in my life thirty two years. Thirty three Sunday I think. And that means a lot. It's another thing that I would throw up in front of the people. Do Bitch this whole two weeks. It is working. This is working. From every angle. There's nothing you can do to stop it. People done with this ship Bro. We're all done with. And we all want to move forward together though we can't even move forward if we're not together. So we have to have conversations with each other I've had friends that disagree with me, did I have I've known to be disagree with the past? Not just politically ideologically and in the reached out to me and have conversations this week, and I see people taking steps to take. Taking the right steps and doing the right things, and it just means a lot and I'm. GonNa say! All of our exhausted. I know that. I've seen it peaking in a lot of. Levels we did mental health stream over the week the over yesterday, or whenever it was super effective, it was on twitch dot TV, slash boss Roland. We only talked about mental. I took questions about anxiety depression. Panic attacks panic disorder substance abuse. Addiction. Everything and it was awesome I think he could still go. Watch it if you wanted to, but we had like seventy people in there. You know talking about this shit. At one point. We had more than one hundred fifty people in there. I think. Maybe that was different stream I never remember. But no, it was, it was that one. It was dope and I had a blast in. Thank you to everybody who came definitely GonNa do that again. Because I know anxiety in panic and depression, these things are going to be peaking for US folks. This isn't going away. The stress levels aren't going away. The Kovic Shit still out there, too okay to carry your mental to carry your fucking chicken, and as marshawn says right, and then for the love of God. Continue to stay open. My didn't talk with each other in discuss. Don't do I. WE talked about this a little bit on always juice clams, cockles are television and film podcasts here Bolan media available wherever IBP is available. Today. You can't this ain't church Camp Shit. You don't come back and you. You come back from Church camp and you have that afterglow for full month. Where you read the Bible every day, and you're praying all the time. She's supposed to be in your so close to God in the fades. The further you get from the camp experience. That's what white people don't every single time. We've had one of these incidents. I didn't realize that but I was doing it to. I'd be pissed off to tweets some shit. fucking talked to a few. My friends about how wrong it is. Couple of weeks pass. Go back to my life. No more. No Moss. We make changes and at the same time we gotta take care of ourselves because as I told everybody during the mental health stream. If you aren't right in the head. If you're not taking care of your mental health, how can you be? Productive in a positive member of any type of organization, whether it be a marriage of friendship, a job as an employee. If you're not taking care of your mental health, I, you're useless to us. And to yourself to care of your mental health. If you're experiencing anxiety, depression, panic made changes make changes. Don't just do the cycle. You're beating your own ass and you don't need to be. I did it for nine years. Nine years I kick the shit out of myself before I even started to put my foot on the brake. I still do it some days. It's fun, but I'm sick. In the head. y'All had to go that route, not nine years. Please don't. But I love Y'all got a great to see all doing anything this community. While you know if you really put it in the grand scheme of things, it's a small community you know. Let's call it. I don't know. Let's call it. Fifty thousand people. Let's say it's fifty thousand individuals. This community is very special. In there are a lot of y'all in here who I know. We're GONNA make a big difference. In your lives in a lot of ways in other people's lives and a lot of ways to because I've talked to you individually and I've seen. I've seen what the things you have to say about. These issues really really matter. And it is very motivating for me to continue to do what I do especially in a time when it has not been easy. And just just to be clear. There the decision to speak truth. In lose fans knowing damn well. It's GonNa cost me money. That wasn't the hard one to make. It's the decision to put myself in a position. Where as someone with a platform speaking out? where I now have to deal with all the negative energy in hatred bullshit that comes with it. In that being said it's also a sacrifice that I'm happily willing to make because if I. Get to taste even a little bit of what may be black. People have felt for four hundred years. Maybe it'll help me understand even further. Before you, head out to take on the world. It's time for some very important announcements. You've been saddled with three legal obligations as a result of having listened to this entire podcast. I know I'm sorry. But it happened he didn't read the fine print. You got sucked in number one. You have the rain review on Apple podcasts. No matter where you listen spotify Soundcloud, thank you for listening. Thank you for being here rate and review on Apple PODCASTS, five stars, two or three sentences about why you enjoy the show then. You can move on check that first box move on a number to show the show with one person, a friend or family member Cobra neighbor, just share the show with one person. Show the show with one person. 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I've heard from like sixty five year. Olds and Shit in other countries like you're not in. There's a lot of y'all in stop dealing weird 'cause you listen I'm a thirty two year old man. With my head screwed on straight than most of the people you know. You're allowed to listen to my show. I'm a responsible productive working members society who votes who does all the other adults shit? You do I just dress differently and have a weird career. You don't have to be ashamed listening to my show just because you're not eighteen or whatever like you're good? I promise you. We talk about more high level shit than most podcasts do like you're good. You don't have to be. This happens with younger people like in their thirties and shit like they don't. They don't talk 'cause. Maybe it's because I wrote total frat. move or something look man. I don't get that, but y'all got to help. The kids don't have a fucking problem in the world. 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Episode 408: Me & Him (1988)

The Projection Booth Podcast

1:40:51 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 408: Me & Him (1988)

"I'm ready to take the next step. I'm ready for university. That will help me advance in my education and career a university. That will make me feel supported an connecting ready for ODU online quickness at or go to online dot EDU today. Skydiving this is a maze. Jeff. But you know, what else is amazing an iphone six s for just forty nine bucks. At metro really imagine streaming all the way down without amazing Cameron of switching that smart. You know, what else is smart parachutes? Switch to metro and get an amazing iphone six s for only forty nine bucks metro by t mobile. Phone offer requires porting of number not currently active on T mobile network are active on metro and past ninety days. See store for details and terms and conditions. Christopher media. Let's make some noise. Everyone's talking. Illo burden about me and him speak. Skeoch? It really gets inside him. You say that this voice that you think you're hearing is coming to you from your genital region. Even speaks French. It shows it's on their minds. Thank Jared fakes orgasms, pardon me. What let's real nice sure was earth. It's about communication. So glad you called. I grew that BUSTER it's about reaching out. Everyone needs a little Pat on the ass now. And then. You really see what men seen women? It's not sick. It's not saying, it's so honest if you even soon. Don't you look special incredible for sure here? If you keep it up how it shows how sensitive men really are push comes to shove thumper. Did let me take you for a ride. It's touching. It's moving. He really opened up. Griffin. Dunne Carey Lowell. Me and him the comedy that hits below the belt. All certainly will look my boyfriend differently now being here now available on videocassette, all my friends have to see this, absolutely. Time is Mr Adam Spiegelman. You can't keep me down was that you or was that your penis talking? He will find out this week. We are looking at me and him directed by Doris Dorie and released in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight the film stars Griffin Dunne as Bert rutan z a man who has a very active relationship with his penis on the day of his thirty fifth birthday. He begins hearing directly from his penis voiced by Mark linn Baker cousin Larry himself. Burt is an architect who's trained to get his plans for new marina belt. He's overly dedicated to his work while his penis tries to get him to care more about the carnal pleasures in life. I'm not sure if there's anything to spoil in this movie or how easy it is to find these days, but consider this your spoiler warning. So Adam you actually requested that we do this as an episode. I'm very curious. When was the first time. I saw this. And obviously, you must have loved it. Yeah. It was the eighties on VHS video store. I think it was last time on your show as showed a lot of weird movies. But I think mostly I wonder one time, and it was a salesman pressuring the guy behind the counter to buy all these bad films. So I think that's why they had so many cool alternative weird films. But me and him kept showing up on all these publications. You get the video store upcoming movies. And it was like a going to be a big deal. This film is coming out. I think I might have been the only person rented it. I know it's supposed to be bad, and I do love bad movies for being bad. But I thought it was good. I mean, there's a lot of bad parts, and we can talk about it. But I really enjoyed this movie. I really I think this is a sixteen year old. Holy crap. I relate to this thirty five year old guy. I think more than than I could when I was thirty five seventy and Heather I heard a rumor that you absolutely adored this fell. Rumors are false. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I totally love your backstory with this. 'cause you know at IT is the child of of the VHS aid someone who came of age like I was all about just finding weird. You know, the weird or the batter and there are some like lowbrow type movies absolutely doors. My, you know, we've covered some of them together that, you know, my quote for this movie is snoop Dogg once said that he has no love for hoes. And I actually have a lot of love for hose. But I didn't have any love from his Mathie load over rose. This could be a cool cat a point counterpoint, like a totally respect your opinion. And I actually am looking forward to hearing like your take from it and your sue Mike sucking. I think this could be very healthy experience. While I think what you said Adam is kind of telling us for as as a sixteen year old you enjoyed this or could relate to it a little bit more than you could as. At actual thirty five year old. This reminds me a lot of the Netflix series big mouth where the young boys. The pew Besson preview Bessant boys where and girls there urges are personified by these Harry demons of did you just go me, the hormone months to. I'm not a fairy. I mean sure folk around the dudes, but I'm not a fairy. And that's kind of what it reminds me of the humor and everything is very adolescent. Let's say so probably as you all maybe to necessarily identify with Griffin as much Griffin Dunne sex machine. Apparently, he can bed any woman in the world in this movie, which I just find remarkable when I think of sex usually Griffin Dunne as the first person who pops into my mind, he's just dripping with it. What do you think of sex Griffin? Don is the. Best friend of the guy, you think of it. It's so crazy that he turns on his libido. And it just turns out either since he turn on his libido. Everyone wants to sleep with them or women have always wanted to sleep with him. He just didn't know it might are. You are you saying that you feel like Griffin Dunne should have been the original choice for big Jim Slade and Kentucky fi movie. Oh, yeah. He's that kind of sex machine. Like, he just parsley the wall like a collide man look at low Moluccan. There are two things that got me to watch. Maybe I'd never even heard of this film till my two might you. Brought it up to me. And I was like I love Griffin Dunne, and it's gotta talking weighing in at. I'm like okay on sold like at Griffith done. I mean, he's great. I mean, I think he I think he gives it his best in this. I kept thinking they're like sex machine. I kept picturing like different actors though in this role watching it like I thought like it will point like what if Charles Napier was how ethic that have been. It would have been completely. Bay. But yeah, you know, be jealous. You're the good old boys. Yeah. That's right. I'm talking about Gilroy lead singer drive. The one of urban interesting. I mean that guy is like a gruff, dude. One of these guys always plays the heavy the mafia guy, or you know, the name four, sir that would have been different 'cause you don't expect like it wouldn't feel like a goofy fun rom com. It would it'd be like a guy woke up one day and his penis have get out there. Maybe darker should nNcholas cage being the remake. Oh, wow. As the penis asked. The penis be like Eric Roberts should be the voice of the penis. I don't know if you've ever seen a talking cat question. Mark. Oh, yeah. Does the voice of the talking cat? But it sounds like he did it into his phone at a bar, you know, last minute and send it in. Basically did I mean not at a bar, but at his house, the director came over and just recorded him talking the role Hoover talking. Yeah. Yeah. It shows you can talk. But only once I don't make the rules film. But let's this movie the same thing. Mark linn Baker obviously, not anyone's first choice. His audio is. So it's kinda like a talking cat version. Like, it's so not instinct with the movie, do you know what I mean? It sounds like they was an afterthought it they know effort to make same track. Gopher it's always good. When you've been fighting. Refining. I couldn't tell I thought the fight was over. I'm not a salad bar. You can help yourself to whenever you get hungry. He never shuts up. Okay enough. Can we have like five minutes without you talking? Maybe he was the word late. He he sounded he had the moist of a penis that should never get lay. Like he does not deserve to get lay ever at times. It angered me. Like, I literally got angry because I'm whiteness, man. You know, fuck this guy like he's terrible late. Yeah. Griffin Dunne's like knives. And he's charismatic you Weicker Fontan Martin Baker. Maybe he's done some good stuff. But I'm like he was the second banana and perfect strangers like count cousin Valk would have been better choice will move every year is a great movie. He's mid I just don't know. You know, obviously is what it is would bulky not available. I mean, he could have done it that would have been more fun. I if my penis talked to me, I don't know. If I wanted to be whining, dude, you have a great life. You clothes all the time. You're you're supported all the time. He's only taken out once in a while, you know, your wash. I don't understand what the way you complain. Who would you want divorce your private part like what actor maybe Sam Jackson, though? It'd be good. That's ragged. I'd have to get season title. I wanna show you violators. Nash defeats beat that. I would be honoured. If my lady parts at the voice of says, it's not almost wanna change mine to her relish as but I won't be army zombie babies. Oh my God. How about you, Adam? Well, I'm blanking on the name because I'm a hundred years old. But in the stars born who played a the lead, Bradley Cooper and who's played his brother. I mean Sam Elliott. So you know, he did like a Sam Elliott impression. All time. Yeah. I would want him doing the Sam Elliott impression because I feel like Sam Elliott was voice. My penis be way too intimidated because that's like a real, man. But Bradley Cooper doing it a person Asian of him that that's like on a good level. Like a reminds me of him. I feel cool. I don't feel uncall-. You know what? I mean. I still rule everything my brain could still take over. But yeah, I think that be Bradley Cooper doing that impression. When are they going to do the remake that has Kevin Hart with the rock doing the voice of the penis, Kevin Hart gray narrows, it could be so physical just keep thinking of all of me. This is like a perverted all of me with Steve Martin. It is so much all of me, especially the. Arguing with the voice that only you can hear. It's so weird that he's talking out loud. But the Pena's isn't voices in his head. Yeah. So why does he do that? Yeah. And in the script, the he talks out loud to the penis all the way through until right around the third act, and then it becomes Burt in over talking to the peanuts. And I don't think that ever happens in the movie, he always talks out loud to the Pena's. And then not too often. Do you get like hilarity ensues where there's a couple scenes where he will talk out loud to the penis. And then other people will be around like he's in a bathroom and somebody's in a stall and comes out, but it's still not what you would think as far as like who are you talking to or you know, who does number two work for those kind of things you don't get a whole lot of that kind of stuff which is weird. You would think that would be maybe the third joke that you go to didn't dig advantage of that. You're right. It'd seem like a loss moment is almost like somebody said, hey, if he's being alive, wouldn't you get caught? And they're like, oh, yeah. Level it's fix that. And show that is not a big deal instead of making it part of the movie and making a funny scene is people don't care that he talks himself bird isn't the high-powered job of being an architect, which I think for why was the number one movie profession that you could possibly do. It's really funny because next week we're going to be talking about a movie called heaven from New Zealand that came out in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and our main character, and that is an architect. So that's like the thing that you do if you don't know what your main characters gonna do you make him an architect? And then you also give him the big pitch and have hilarity kind of ensue around that. I mean, as I was watching this movie, I just kept thinking of other movies, but I couldn't really put my finger on exactly which movie I was thinking of because I just have seen. These story beats being. I used a lot in other films. Be it's like the whole idea. He gets up in the morning. He makes this wish for his Donna's cake. His penis starts talking to him. I'm guess I'm thinking like a freaky Friday or more of a vice versa, like father like son or eighteen again, kind of thing happening there, and then goes in and he does this pitch. He kind of lets his penis takeover a little bit. So I'm thinking maybe how to get ahead in advertising. And the he comes up with this whole whole idea of doing a like Venice by the the south pier. I guess in New York and talk about uncomfortable. Now in retrospect, there are so many shots of the twin towers in this movie almost like all the scenes of them looking at the the area where they're going to build this this new marina, the twin towers are behind them at all times. Working go wrong is what you're saying. The thing that I did appreciate this about this movie. A lot is the supporting cast in some of the faces. There are in the supporting cast. I mean, of course, we've got Craig t Nelson as the big boss, and then the very attractive Kelly Bishop as his wife, if you look at we covered another movie with this gentleman, the American astronaut, but Rocco Sisto professor s has from the American astronaut is one of his co workers, and then Blinken you miss him almost as David Alan Grier. As the guy who gives him this apartment before he moves out of town. And I would think that David Alan Grier would have been a huge presence in this movie. But I guess this was just too early for him or something, but he's in and out of this movie in five minutes and actually made me a little sad because I love David Alan Grier. And he's sumit's Brighton. Everything. I mean, you would have been a better choice for the penis voice. Like, he's funny. I mean, that's the thing about this film is one of the things I will say about it is like I mean, most of the cast right main. And supporting I mean, you've got some fantastic actors known on Ellen Greene as verts wide. She's fantastic Ellen Greene. I always liked and stuff, but she was just never in enough things. Like, I was so happy when she showed up in pushing daisies a few years ago, I say a few years ago, it was probably like ten years ago, but I really enjoyed her. She was fantastic and things like little shop of horrors and the cooler just everytime. She's unscreened like her. And I wish that she would have been a bigger actress we're going to independent film when I knew it was a cold states control. And she was in it. It was a low budget movie. And it was a weird thing where they part of the movies dirty Polaroid's resolve. And if it is I just remember him making such a big deal. Outta me getting these handing them right to him that they wouldn't go anywhere. The dirty pictures of Ellen of her. But even though it's using the movie. So anyway, just so weird to see a big movie star like that in this low budget film. But yeah, she's a great actress, I don't know why you know, why she's bigger as well. But as she gets these roll the only role she got are these like the whiny wife roles like this role is a thankless shitty role. I mean, even skip to the end he doesn't realize he loves his wife. He realizes he I if you optimistically, he realizes is not about fucking every woman in Newark, it's about his wife, but he never find that out is just like everyone dumps him. So he goes back to his wife. And so she doesn't she never gets that sexy role. You know, I I think that's part of that's probably part of it. And maybe she'll pushing daisies. It seemed like just such a perfect spot for her. And I don't get why the penis can't remember her name. He keeps calling her Anita. But a real names the net. I love that. Because he doesn't wanna fuck her. He wants to fuck every other woman around. He doesn't want to sleep with one woman that he's supposedly with he wants to screw around. So he doesn't he doesn't mean anything to him. And they took out the one joke. There was a running joke in the screenplay that was whenever the Chinese delivery man shows up that birth kid burnt junior BJ, and they never make a joke about BJ that BJ would go running to the door yelling daddy. Daddy. Daddy in that the kid actually looked slightly Asian. They cut that joke out, which I was like, okay. Well, if it's good for the goose, it should be good for the gander. But no, she is just this woman who stays home and pines for Burt through so much of it. And when ever she shows up she is upset and she's treated like shrew. And it's like, yes, she has every right to be upset about this whole situation. The way that he moves out in order to work on this pitch in that every time she comes over. He's up to no good. And when she finds the earring in his bed. It's she blows up. And it's like, yeah. I completely understand. Why she would I don't think that she's a shrew or a heartbe, but that's the way that she's portrayed in the film. Now home bag of the you know pain is not getting a name. Right. She's high. I mean, it's not just that. She's I mean, she's also like this great supportive partner that puts up with him whining, and he leaves reload with their little shit or kid 'cause that kid his hair are bowl. I kept hoping that there'd be this like this twist. Rely all of a sudden might her vagina starts talking to her. And she's like, I'm gonna get some. She goes on this big mess, Selena like style like sex bankwest where she's like, that's right part. I'm banging every hot delivery guy on this boulevard, buddy. Like that. And it's just like an ends with him crying. Like, I dunno. That's that would have been my version. She is in the given her something more than just like what comes to the apartment that. Oh, that's a great turn. She's so sexy and realizes she sex him. He goes back to her. But of course, we had another forty five minutes to kill who couldn't do that. I'm glad they didn't do the Chinese food delivery joke district. It seems out of place. Like, it's funny. But it would just screw up the plot of the film, and I feel really really weird that they would put that in because you just changed the whole dynamic of the movie his Pena's wakes up and says, hey, you should start cheating on your wife. Who's obviously been cheating on you. He's he he can't be forgiven for what he did. You can't have an out like, you know, some movies. There's Sandra Bullock, whoever it is. And they made the other guy even though they have a boyfriend and they fall in love, but they make the boyfriend or the husband abusive or alcoholic or something. So you can forgive her for cheating on him. So I don't think he deserves an out like that. Or if you're Meg Ryan. The other guy has allergies or he might mispronounce a word or something. And then that gives you perfect right to go off with whoever, you know, Tim Robbins or whoever that other guy. She is high standards. She's the worst she thinks she's low maintenance, but she's actually high maintenance. So the whom I you know, what I would have what she's having not the other person. I was very surprised to see in here is Robert Lazardo and people, you know, who Robert Louis Suharto is you just probably don't know his name. And in this movie, you wouldn't recognize him because this is before he shaved his head and has neck tattoos. He shows up in so many things now as this like really mean shallow kind of guy beautifully a drug dealer. He was in a lot of oh gosh. He's been a ton of TV stuff, and he shows up in movies and in here. He's the office guy with the white shirt on no visible tattoos. I don't know when he got his said twos. And he's like the crude young office guy who's talking about pumping and dumping girls. But yeah, believe it or not he is the guy who. Looks like he stepped right out of I don't know anarchy, what sons of anarchy? He's the old. I never thought he was at old. I didn't realize either when he started talking. I was like his voices familiar and then. Yeah, I I looked it up. And it's like oh sure enough. That's the same dude. Look at the eighties movies who's in hard to kill panatela. Get killed renegades. True. Blood mean him I was in short circuit to and moving another terrible film like he just he had all those films. He said, I don't care put me in it Waterworld. I drop zone. Waterworld automating he's slated to be in like a dozen movies that come out over the next year and a half. Yeah. I saw I am debate is all red with pre production post production, filming. That's amazing. Braille flowers push comes to show they come from. I'm over. He'll play stays. There's really not any nudity in this movie, which is kind of weird because I mean, you the eighties were kind of Scott fertile time for sex comedies and a lot of, you know, have like at the very least awful snus. Like, yo ends. This is Tammy for being maybe about a talk in Pena's pretty tame hovering. Louis this up. It is a good Wayne. Of heads in nineteen eighty six when I saw this film. I rented a movie from the video store called me and him about talking Pena's. I bring it home. Nobody's home to watch. It. You're sixteen years old. There is no nudity in this film. What is going on that is not fair in the first half hour of all these films. There's some kind of nudity for no reason. And then you keep watching hopefully, they'll be more nudity. That's the it's an agreement. We have I pay three dollars for a terrible film. And you give me a little nudity. That's it east at least get a single do. I mean at least boob. Yeah. That's all. I'm asking for forum. Sixteen years old Abu would have been fine for about a week of it. Okay. And also like, do you think you're watching something good, you know, a German director o- German director, and then, you know, you get a little nudity, and then you go to bed, but no, no nudity. It was a real film. Can you fucking believe it? We had the penis has certain superpowers that it reveals as we go along. It's kind of like the the suit in the greatest American hero. Like as as we go along. We learn more powers one of those is to allow Burt see everyone or every woman, I should say. In lingerie. So yeah. No nudity, except there's a nun in the scene in. Apparently, the penis doesn't wanna show what another looks like lingerie I found that really strange quickly responded that first of all describing your is is like the suit in America's American heroes. The best description I've heard who over time in your life. You learn more uses for it the reveal do, that's that's brilliant. I took that seem as again at a sixteen year old point of view. Your imagination puts everyone like he wasn't really magically taking it once close up he was leading his imagination encouraging his imagination to look at everybody naked. Then maybe I was just projecting. But that's what I saw the pain is like just imagine all these people naked. I can do that for you not naked. But in lingerie. Oh, yeah. In luxury sixteen and then later on he reveals that he knows every woman's name, which is really kind of strange to that was. I hate it. Is this Dom? It's like, okay why? Sure, whatever dude, you know, their names, like don't know, Ellen greens. Yeah. Hot s you don't know her name, you you don't see you don't give us nudity. His come on. Like, if a penis, you tear dudes lie admitted women are saying like if you're like looking at somebody like Alice's personality, you're not going to be tasteful about it. It's gonna look like a hustler spread probably at the very least penthouse minus the vassal lean winds. But you know, it's just it was just the whole NATO. He knows their names. It's like, okay. Whatever like this is, you know, I I started that this may be just a camps. But did he know their names didn't Hilo wounds? Name those wrong the first one. But then after that it was right every single time. And then it's basically it was just a bridge to get us to the the the the boss's wife. And then take us off on that adventure, this whole movie if feels very much like it's like little vignettes rather than necessarily a full plot. Because it's like okay now, I'm over here, and I'm going to have sex with this woman or now I'm over here. And I'm going to have the the flirt with this woman. In it, occasionally, these things will meet up like that. He meets this woman Janet in this records room, and he starts giving her a foot job, which I it's very very uncomfortable. Her outfit is very uncomfortable. It's very nineteen to ABC's fashion. And yeah, he gets his foot Kashi clamps his foot in there in. Yeah. It's it's it's not good. But in she shows up later on and she will show up in his fantasies. We get several fantasy sequences again. Nobody's naked. It's usually just you know, like, oh, hey Burt. Your wife's on the phone. And that seems to be the recurring joke when it comes to those. She ends up being with Craig t Nelson. So Craig t Nelson is cheating on his wife. And then when the wife wants to cheat with Bert. She has this the wife has this whole thing of wanting to role play and apparently. Role play is a bridge too far for Burt. He cannot handle that though it is. I wanted to the peanuts. All of a sudden, it was like ages or you're older than the peanuts have standards, which is weird because it's a penis. Isn't that what this whole movies about doesn't anything angered me? That was many one of many things that angered me in this movie was that, you know, he's been you know, just weighing in and banging random ladies at homey. And all of a sudden now like this beautiful woman, who's maybe all wet realistically probably ten years older than Burr like she's not even at all that older. We've had him make menopausal jokes. She's like, oh it gets hot in the fall. And like that's is she going through menopause per in. It's like you. You saw your terrible penis. And then all of a sudden he's like, oh my God. She's her if she's wanting to do light role play late pets, you know. It's not she's all like, hey, take a dump on me per light. You know, like, she's just I can't I can't rip this movie that penises. Terrible. And he's a he's a shame. Shame the penises of. Did you other the scene was funny? The music he comes in there. They they build it up with the music, and he's got the outfit on and they made like that was a silly thing. Like would seem like the film directors like oh limit is fun here. Finally, well, and it was fun at first. And then it's like WALDO, no, I can't do this. I know he should have just done. It did not do it because he loved his wife, at least that would have tied into the ending. But he didn't do it. Because he's seen as too good for all of a sudden right because he's having sex with the girl from the aerobics studio he's having sex with the it's not it's like one of his assistants at works of get the nice sexual harassment stuff going on there. Does he ever nail Janet? I can't remember. No, he never he never sleeps with Janet. Because. Right. I first he tries, but she just wants to be friends. And then when he finally tells us penis to the buzz off, and he gets. Libido any acts like real human beings are at treats are like human being then she wants to super them. And then he can't because that reminded me of the movie bedazzled where he just he can't close the deal be dazzled with such a better movie. Besides being a much better movie. And of course, I'm talking about the brand new Frazier version. Whoa, that's cruel. How dare you? I'm very curious. Adam how many times have beautiful women asked you to just sleep with them in by that. I mean, just sleep with them like be in the same bed with you. But NAT actually have intercourse hurriedly. I'm the only person has happened to cause. Yeah, that's happened. And I thought and I thought I'd seen as realistic. 'cause you think like I really should try something. But there's not try something. Should I try something? I jerk non for trying something. And then you wake up the next morning. You guys tried something? Or I moved to New York after college. And I was in this comedy troupe. At news is beautiful woman. We hung out a lot, and she I was living in Brooklyn. She live right in mid town. On right on Broadway. Right rolled Abro theaters. Are as she called me up at like ten thirty at night. And she said I want you to come over and sleep with me. I'm alone. Scared lonely, whatever. And like sure she's you know, I sleep in the nude, and but I just want to sleep. And I was like, yeah. Right. I got there. See greets me at the doors opens the door by the time. I get into bed. She's passed out asleep completely naked. And I just like I'm like, I can't believe I just took an hour to get here because it's the train. And I remember this is a good look at her. And I think in I've fallen for this twice. There's something wrong with me. And then just went back to bed. I either that was another funny legit scene where it's like one part of us says, oh, she doesn't want to sleep with the other side says why would you have you over, you know, you got to at least try? So I don't know Heather has been at issue even over never met. If I can ask you about that. I would feel weird about being like a teddy RV set certainly get like, hey, platonic NAN hell with me, Venice Lear sexy. Outfit, and I've never done that to somebody. I wanna judge anybody. That's done it. I will save at that saying I thought I was kinda like my grandma. This is you know, I mean like if she was wearing like, dirty sweat hands. And like Garfield teacher, then I'd be like, okay? Yeah. She's new to the city. She's just mon- company. You know, maybe some creepy. I was falling early. You know, like I could suspend disbelief, but she's all this Mary pretty light blue suit of painting and. We're not going to judge. But it's weird. But then like she's sleeping, and he starts trying to touch her. I'm like, okay. His Dixie gamer gator, basically sticks a future. Like if it's if this Pena's was a personality would have a fedora in a neg- beard. Terrible terrible you'd be harassing women on Twitter at had been like a tip my hat to you Milady. You like that? I've terrible. Would she also knows? This guy's been a pig since he met him day one like the they don't mention that. They she grabbed his foot, you know, when they're in the library when she meets at work. I don't know. That's just because there's a plot device rose in eighty single. She just didn't feel comfortable there. I don't know to seem like a weird thing disturbed nor and then vertebrae go yell go out with you. Yeah. I think they're supposed to be a lot more sexual politics going on with this. I mean, really this could be a really good plot here to have the way that she vacillates between Bert. Maybe she finds him attractive at first. But. Then when she learns that he's only a peon at the business. And then, you know, she's going to go for Craig Nelson who's the Voss, but then Birt's on the upswing. So maybe she'll go for him. It could have been an interesting character. Like kind of a, you know, like a star fucker kind of thing. But that just never really happens in when she comes in. And she finds Bert shipping. cO resign. It's like, okay. Is she upset if she not upset what's going on here in the way that he ends up like because the the the dick obviously just keeps talking to him and saying like, hey, you need to fuck in order to have creativity. And you know, let let's go out and let's fuck now. And there's one part where he's like, no, I really need to buckle down. Here. I need to work on the stuff, and then he ends up having sex with Corazza on. And then he is blowing off this really important meeting. And you would think that that would be immediate grounds for dismissal. But he ends up not getting fired for this really is kind of strange like there are moments where like even earlier he's talking with Eleanor, and he refuses an advanced by Eleanor, and you think okay. Yeah. Now, he's going to get fired. No. Instead, he ends up getting his own office. It's like what is going on here? So they are moments in the film that just don't I mean, we're talking about a movie about a talking penis. But you would think that still they would kind of abide by some sort of logic. As far as you know, if you punch somebody in the face, then they're going to get mad. But in this movie doesn't necessarily act that way. Now, there's a lot of things that get that don't really get explored that you think pay one or maybe if they should've maybe this would've been a better movie late Adam to your point. I thought that was kind of weird to you that the whole way, you know, when they meet officially I can think okay, she got to confront him. We're paying or you know, what it's like now. And then like, then, you know, not too long to that. She was like, I was stay the night with me. And it's like. This dare just tried to put his foot in your area, which is gross in a you know, because you don't know this man over his foot span it's been sweating in Hugh, New York City. You don't want that in your business Carl grows, you know, a it's I think that was just like one of my main one of my many issues, this film is that there were so many things that could have been sorta further fleshed out at like, you said like the politics. That just it's kind of half ass. You know? Yeah. I mean, this is a good time to speak about this nineteen eighty eight. I mean, I'm trying to think of when something like a working girl was was out. But like the idea of. Nineteen Eighty-eight actually. So it seems like this would have been a good time to talk about women's liberation and women's place in the office and made Janet almost more more of the main character or Eleanor, but these three very what they should be strong women characters Annette Eleanor, and Janet they end up just kind of falling by the wayside and really births. Peanuts who is an unseen character, basically ends up taking center stage. So it's really an odd. Mix of things. What does he trust in ready? When the last time she met him who's trying to put her foot foot up her skirt now, she's like, oh, you'll see my bed or not trying anything. Yes. She's a little foolish that way. She's good for plot. That's what she's like what works to move this plot alone. I'll do it. We never do to your point. Heather we never hear women's genitalia in this movie at all. And there's even a moment where right at the end of the film. The penis turns on his other superpower, which is to allow Burt to hear all of the other penises that are in the row, and I was thinking he's going to allow you to hear all in the genus. But there's even one point in the movie where Burt ass the penis if women's vaginas talk as well. And he's like, I don't care. Wow. Okay. Thanks a lot. He's horrible is terrible ever that peanuts has a good penis. I think it'd be all like I want to hear my lovers. So we, hey, we know we're like, it's a communion. We are having a great time together. Ever. It is fantastic. And this guy is total pump and dump it leased the character. That is the actual pump and thumper. He's honest about who he is that man. No seeing this. You know, he's just like, hey, it is what it hasn't yet. Don't tap that women. But Elliott, he's kept me warming. You know supposed to bird, but literally a dick dick. Yes. So yeah, he doesn't care. I thought that was I thought that was funny that yeah. You know, he just cares about himself. Just drop dead. Fred for adults album trap to see if Rick mayo had been the Pena's met funny. That's I think that's been disconnect. I'm actually I'm glad you did bring up my my fantastic year because Baker is gonna now. So, but he's not this is not a good fit for him. And if they pick somebody funny 'cause you can burp people like pull off really crude unlikeable characters to wear or stole their funniest hell, I just don't think that's happening here. There's a weird moment to where he exercises. His demon where he takes a one of the earliest known dick pics with a polaroid camera and sets it on fire in that. He doesn't hear from his dick after that. Until he tries to get it back in the has to in order to successfully get his penis back. He has to expose themselves to this woman at church, which is sexual assault. I mean. It is also the one of the only black people in the movie teaches him voodoo all of a sudden. All right. And Judah weird character to I mean, I guess that scene where she hates him. And then comes back in love them. I guess because he was being east are making a jerk that she cared about him when he was at the bottom. I thought it was funny when he finally was able to exercise his demons and get rid of him. And then he was a different person. Then things worked out for him again, as I thought that part working the movie, I just remember when I came to a point where I was like, I don't know just kind of put my brain. I and you just have a different your whole world opens up as nineteen years old. I went to a yoga retreat, and they said you do not have sex here. You're not if you're a couple on your marriage, please on of Saxon. If you're single in hair, please do not have sex. And I think that was the first weekend since you know, thirteen that I did not think about sex, and it just changed my life another totally different weekend. I didn't things because they seemed interesting that because as one that can get me laid. So that's that part made me think of just growing up and getting. Over it. I'm embarrassed exposed a lot about myself to people on Skype, but to me all the time usually with Cameron though, that's kind of. That's gotta be interpersonal experience, especially when you're -veloping because your hormones are all my. Yeah. They are large in charge at that age. Somebody we've come invasion the eighties in in ninety. I mean, we we set through a lot of bad movies on Cinemax for just a clumps of nudity. I did it. I'm not shame. It's what you did Bank. We didn't have the internet model. It's every fifteen dollars a month for a little glimpse. That's why kids knew how to set the timer on the PC are. That's true. Yeah. Because I never found always heard about the late mythical piles of like dirty nagazine in the woods. I never settled upon. But I had a male friends that tell me about finding like an old old nudie MAG going back to that whole idea the voodoo and stuff I did like the one article that I read about this film where they were talking about how the penis being clothed not being seen in this movie really helps protect Burt from castration anxiety because there is one. One point where he it looks like he's contemplating castration. But then he goes for the camera thing and the whole idea of capturing the the the dick with the camera lens of just the polaroid. And of course, we don't see the polaroid or anything. And then reversing the spell by exposing it to the the woman who then also we don't see her POV. But you know, she's the one that's exposed to the to the dick. So I liked that somebody actually was bringing that up as far as the power of of the gays in this film because there's not a lot of scholarly articles that have been written about me and him over the years. Unfortunately, though, I think that this movie does like I said, it does talk a lot about sexual politics albeit unsuccessfully, but it opens up where a lot of people's minds were in eighty eight. But then again, I tend to over think things just made it a point that is so good that the smell doesn't. Serve. I'm so I'm so sorry. I know you love his film. I I I wanna apologize. I'm being no pun intended. The about it because there's plenty of movies. I love that. I've you know that are definitely not fan favorites. Oh trust me next week. When when we talk about heaven, one of my co host does not like that movie at all. I'm basically goes on like a whole rant about the film for just about the entire running time of the pad cast so people at home you have that to look forward to what don't you like about the movie in terms of? No, I don't wanna get get defending the film. I I know it's a bad film. But I know watching is like that movie shock corridor. It's a terrible film. But there's so many good parts in it. They feel like it's a good film. But we're gonna talk about a bad part just for this the filming of the actual cinematography. I guess as her husband now, she met him. But it's terrible. It's like everything is dark even within the park stark during the day of stark in a bright room it start. It is weird for the bathroom. The fluorescent lights are dark. It is weird kind of feeling. I did you guys get that kind of like CD kind of feeling from the phone. It looked more. It was shot for television. That's how it kind of seem to be too. If it looked properly CD, I think it would have been a little horn s may bet. Yeah. It just felt that's that's gonna taking the kind of hurt is that even some of the technical elements because I didn't I didn't even like the music the to the end, it is very amusing is kinda like she's E T V, the Rhys Mike, you just nailed something. Like for me. I think because that's a lot of this is very just kind of like TV TV troves, but not good TV like bad TV troves. And you know, which is which is too bad yet. There's for whatever reason speaking of music, there's that instrumental version of strangers in the night, the plays a couple of times in here in think there might be a vocal version later, and I don't necessarily understand white strangers in the night. It doesn't necessarily play into what's happening on screen. But and then we'll. Talk about. We'll talk about the end is seen in just a moment here. But wow. Wow. But I did wanna talk again about the the moment when the dick allows him to hear all of these other dick speaking, I don't know if it came through in the movie, but there's in the script. There's this whole thing about how one of his co workers is gay, and he doesn't necessarily know it until he hears the dick talking about it, which again would have opened up a little bit more stuff. And I think that we're supposed to get that from a lion that one of the dick says about or one of the people actually says that you can't even smell the fish anymore. And then the other guy says I hate that smell. And I think that's supposed to be the gay guy as if implying he doesn't like vagina as what I got hardy Har Har leave is I'm I'm trying not to be mean of of you talked to the director, and I'm C sounds lovely. And I just. That was awful. That was another awful mainly get it. He's gay when fish. It's just it just yet. The I would've there's so much potential in this film. Now, there is so much. Maybe that is what upset me because I think Mike you want said, the most brilliant thing ever because you went told me the worst movie in the world is one that only the filmmaker and their mother has seen. I think it's very true. I don't even know if I can take credit for that that might have been skids that said that one I I'll make it. I'll give it to your mental skits. I'll get to Bellevue because he's halted. But so yeah, there there's potential, but there's like pregnant potential film. There's you know, and yet what if the ladies what else on he hear like the women talk to you. And to be kind of like a cool eye opening thing. Good point like a he cared. Great. So I have a supervisor or you can hear other Dick's talk. So how does that help me? If you're gonna get laid how does that help him if he's not gay and he says, all right? Can you hear women's body parts talk? No one's here that I do. That's what makes it a good superpower. This a lame superpower. You know? I could open jars fantastic. I can open doors. Not a superpower. I assume what other people's Knicks are thinking. I don't you know, doesn't help me at all get lead. At all. I don't know. If felt like they were just filling time the second time and watched it. I think the first time I just thought it was fascinating. But just recently went to watch it for this. It seemed like they were like what else? Can we do? Okay. What else? You know? What else? What else? We've got. We're up to eighty eight minutes, we need ninety minutes. What else? Can you do? Well, I'll tell you. What else you can do Adam? How about we have a musical number? Controversial. I liked it. It's okay. To like it. How else do you end a film about a talking Pena's? But with a musical number. Let's have all of and apparently all of these women are secretaries at the new. Otani tower, which obviously is dick shaped though to be it. Looks more like a tube of lipstick with the lipstick coming out of the top. And that's not supposed to be like a dog dick joke or anything. But yeah, these women are supposed to be secretaries in the they start singing the Bob Marley classic. No woman. No cry and then they start to build up and start doing like dances. And it's all crazy, Grafton, everything, and that's how we end the movie and yet to your point. I don't really know. How else you could end a movie like this where leaders? This go crazy and just do it. But I don't know why they chose the secretaries that me you seem way. Like, they're all objects have just women you you sleep with is that what they're saying. And why are they saying no woman cry? I'm not sure, but you know, like the end of some dog millionaire. There's that great Bollywood dance thing like what it would men and women characters in the movies in in not that might have been better. I don't know how you could -sarily make it a worse ending the nicest thing you've ever said. Well, thank you. On one hand. This is terrible. Part of the kind of like almost respected at just the, you know, just had a surrealist move lateness kind of almost kinda dot move of ending. And so I I will give props through that the musical choice. I don't yet that was but there's a lot. There's a lot of lack of logic in this universe of Manhattan. That were present too much interesting. Are you guys? Let's go ahead and take a break, and we're gonna play an interview with director, Doris Dorie, and we'll be back with that. Right. After these brief messages. I'm ready to take the next step. I'm ready for university. That will help me advance in my education and career university. That will make me feel supported an connecting ready for ODU online. Click this set or go to online dot EDU today. The iphone ten are is here at T mobile, and there's a whole lot to love like taking those perfect new year new you portrait mode selfish. You're going to share. 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Every Tuesday new episode drops us, ragging bad movies. Whereas the concerts here at the projection booths talking about good party cinema related stuff here for the cinema. Come to us for the last afterwards, we ate movies every Tuesday. I know that you were born in Germany, how did you end up going to school in the United States in stock novel places, the yeah. Because of a movie by on Houston, and I hope you know, that movie it's called fat city. Joe yet, we just did that recently. Really, okay. If you could imagine a seventeen or sixteen year old in head of our Germany watching the movie kitty, and then deciding to go to Stockton to go to school there. Yeah. That's only a a juvenile mind can pick a city like Stockton. Because as you know, fat city is it takes place in the completely run downtown, which is stuck in. But because I loved the movie so much I figured I what I what I thought. It's really, but I just wanted to go to that town Stockton. And then it funny instance, that was a cedar group they performed in Hanover. And they happen to be from the university of of fic- in stock. So these two things came together. And then I thought well, that's it stock it is. But you didn't go into movie making right away. No, no. It was too far out there. Somehow, I didn't think it was possible to become rector, but to become an actress was something that was much more imaginable, much more possible. But then I realized very soon that I was never going to be a good actress because I'm way to shy to stand up on a stage and perform, but yet as a director you have to be behind the scenes pretty much doing performance. Oh, yes. Very well. Put that's true. But it's still not your body that you have to put out there. It's something very different. When did you decide to become a director into get more into filmmaking? Well, at dropped out of school in California went to New York City studied a bit of strange things at the new school. Like semantics and symbiotic, and it'd been a psychology, and I don't know what. And then I wanted to go to school to NYU and it turned out to be way too expensive. So my mother she kept sending me the education forms for the the school Munich, and I didn't feel them out for about a year. And then I had to give up a New York because couldn't make a living couldn't go to school. And it was just too hard. So I gave in and gave up and fill those forms and got accepted at the uniform school, which it turned out to be a blessing for me because I'm really a writer more than maybe filmmaker. And it was the perfect disguise for me to be writing screenplays. And then you have other people say the lines and dialogue and turn it into something else. A movie so was your mom being supportive or was she being more get back to Germany. She was just being supportive. I have the most liberal parents. It's wonderful. I know that you were making movies pretty early on. I mean, you were pretty young when you were making your first films. Twenty one. Yeah. I always thought that I had to Hari up and be fast, which of course, has to do with the fact that I three sisters, and I just knew that my parents had to pay for their education as well. But I just knew that I had to be fast with the finishing meditating which came first the short story of men or the film of men the short story since nobody taught screenwriting, Germany. It was just unheard of because of the author's a theory of filmmaking. I just try to invent a kind of writing that I that I could use for screenwriting which meant that in prose writing in the first person, I could get into people's heads and souls, I discovered that for myself as a way to write my screen to write short stories. I get to know the characters and then write a screen because I didn't know the technique screenwriting not of the craft because it was not being taught. So that. It was my way of. Yeah. Writing screenplays, which in turn out to be another finessing because in I think it was in that was before I shut me and him. I think in eighty seven initially didn't as it six can't even remember publisher, the the best publisher in Germany, which contacted me and wanted to see those short stories and ever since then the company he died seven years ago became a publishing house, and he encouraged me to write moguls and short stories and not just as a means to write screenplays. So you to separate these two things pros and sweeper. I think now for what I understand men was really big hit men was a very very small movie that we did on a shoestring it cost four hundred thousand dollars, and I turned in my salary and put the money that they would have paid me. I bought. Thirty five millimeters instead of sixteen so we could shoot thirty five. So that was my investment in the film because I just wanted to be on a big screen and in reverse, I got not the rights to anything. But they allowed me to show the film once a defensible just a once and that turned out to be the whole film festival tiny festival and it became such a smash hit at the festival that then Studer decided to disagree with. I think five prints and it just becomes again ticket. Those elevators I've never seen. Elevators like that before they still around there called hot Nostra, pater nostrum elevators, and they're actually really smart energy conserving entity on a sword. Elevators they run mechanically. So they don't need other trysofi they run mechanically. And in those. Old office buildings. You still have them or those in the short story or did you come up with that later? No, no. I came up with that later that happened to be the elevator in the building of a biggest newspaper to tight on that. I was still working for some critic. And I was always terrified to jump into the cabins of those of the elevator. Because you never really knew who you were going to meet up with because he had just just. When the cabin comes. You have to just jump right into it. And I was terrified of, you know, getting into the same cabin with my boss, which was really embarrassing. So after men is such a big hit. I mean what happens for you? I became very famous which is very scary. Yeah. Because when you're not prepared for it or not out for it either. It was just something that I found very difficult to deal with because I was living in a commune. Nobody had money. I did any money with the film. The producers became millionaires. It was all a bit strange to say, the least, and then it also became quite absurd. Because in my commune, the telephone kept running a upbringing and people from Hollywood with call and people in the commune got really upset because the phone was ringing mostly at night because of the time difference and they refuse to answer the phone after a while. So we got an answering machine that was the first big investment for those calls from Hollywood because nobody wanted to ask the phone in the middle of the night. And then I I became very wary of some. Yeah, everybody, of course, wanted to do a sequel or wanted me to do something similar, and I didn't want that at all. So I turned around and made a really strange strange film after that call paradise, and then the biggest German producer icing was always been very generous with praise and he had called me up right after the big success of men into congratulated me and had wanted to find a project together for me or together. And then he found about a modem via you'll illu e me and him which was a smart move on his side. But it didn't really fit. I hate the movie, but it w-. A big hit. I can't stand it. It is one of the very few films that identify it. I think I only have two two movies that one in a German crime story detective story, and I never never really got inside the characters or the commercial idea. And frankly, the only reason why accepted to do that was because I wanted to go back to New York and see my my friend, my woman friend from college, my best friend, and that was my ticket to go back to New York and see my friends that was more important to me than anything. And the movie got me married because I got married to the DP who again, you know, friend of mine, and he had sought men, and he was the only person that I was loved take with me to the United States. So movie did pay for me because I got married to the most wonderful men in the world. But as a movie, I don't think it's a good movie. It's a strange turn. In for you, though. I guess I can see as far as looking at gender politics that there is a little bit of a dotted line between men and me and him. Yes. But then, you know, the the original level was all about on our Kizza versus opportunism or versus well in those times. It was really about on occasion. Yeah. I can only repeat myself, and it was not about gender politics. It wasn't about that. It was about a political movement. And that of course, got very much water down in in this movie version because bound Icaria and David Puttnam could have pictures. They wanted the whole thing to be not political that turned out to be a big fight between them and me between Aiking Putnam and myself because I didn't want to be pushed into the sexual connotations of the whole thing as much as it is now. Now. But anyway, it became a big struggle really really awful struggle, which again, I was not used to because before and after I've always just made the movies the way on it to make them. And that was the only time where I had to negotiate and into stuff again, and again, and again, the content of the film, and you know, every line of film, and so on and so forth. What was more your original vision for it? It was much more artistic much more free-floating and was not as as commercial. But of course, I mean, the producer, and he was right in the India seeing the whole thing from his perspective because the film made a lot of money, which I guess is kind of the name of the game at the same time. You wanna make something that you can enjoy in that you look back on and be proud of. Well, the name of the game for me, something different. It's not about making money. I can make money working. Mcdonald's which I did at that time still work for five years at McDonalds to be independent and to just make the films that I wanted to make and write the stories that I wanna right. And I'm still doing it that way I mean now, I can I cannot live a filmmaking, but I can live an professor a key to have. I'm the head of the chair of critics the credit writing department. I write my novels. Enjoy stories I make a movie every two years. The combination works for me. But my movies are still completely independent. Well, my news one just came out last week, and it's more experimental in and wilder than anything with before it's called cherry blossoms of demons. She wanna look it up cherry blossoms and demons. Listen, really weird for you to to be working on me and him and have it be pretty much American crew. And then all of these American actors must have been such. Difference between what you had been used to. And the biggest difference was that everybody was afraid afraid of cutting fired the actors afraid of of doing the wrong career move done was terrified that that was the wrong move for him in his career. And it's maybe hard to explain to you where we were coming from filmmaking was not a career. It was something that you did when you were completely insane and out of your mind and artist, but not a career, and we were very fearless. Because of that because we didn't want to get anywhere. We just wanted to do our thing. It was more like punk music where we were coming from. And it was not a business. It was not a career. It was not about making money. It was strictly about making art or doing your thing. Again, could only compared to punk music do the right thing likely. So that was a big clash of. Of course. Because in in the states of, you know, filmmaking making a business and people were doing the job which for us with two very very weird to be in the film business. Again, you in the film business to be making films as a job now. You did it because you were outside of society because he wanted to get to something very very different did meet him do anything for us for as your career. Or did that just not even matter for you? It did lead to of interest in decisions because I got a five picture deal with Glenn be pitchers, and I found myself sitting in in Hollywood and waiting like like almost everybody waiting for. Projects get we knighted waiting for meetings waiting for all kinds of things would again, you know, I was not used to. 'cause that's not the way things are done here, you somehow just do them. And if you don't have the money, you still just do them sort of it's very very different. I was making money, but I was waiting around. And I was not really doing my thing anymore. So after about a thinker year fat or maybe unionise my husband, and I we decided to go back. And also what I found really disconcerting was that. I was losing my language. I couldn't write and German anymore. I couldn't write an English 'cause I felt too insecure writing in English, and I somehow lost my mic round, my my language so to go back was really the right decision. Because I don't think I could have written. My my. Stories my novels mishmash stories, if I stayed on in in Los Angeles and also at couldn't have made the films that I have made never ever. I couldn't have done all the stuff that I started doing since nineteen ninety nine where I shot a movie, and then wanna story in Japan. And I discover the digital technique, you know, moving around with very small crews and their small cameras, I couldn't have done that either. Which to me is the ideal of willful making never work differently ever since we you said, you're making movie every two years though. Yeah. Well for the past forty years thirty five almost forty years. Yeah. How do you go about funding? Those or do you get funding through the German state or yes, it's a combination. It's the it's the way that the only way, and we all have to go the same down the same path. It's a combination of. Trying to get TV money, which is the most difficult, but also the most important part because it's connected to then being able to play for funds TV money for to be able to apply for funds then. So you need a TV output deal for your film, then you can apply for funds, and then you can apply for state funds, but also for local funds like the Bavarian film foundation. And then you try to combine it with the general state foundation or another state within the union, you know, within Germany with Hamburg some foundation, it's a very complicated time consuming way. But it's also quite efficient for certain kind of films. It's impossible to raise big budgets that way, but you can get your films made smaller films like I I never go beyond three million euros as a budget. I have to tell you. I saw happy birthday Turk. And I. Really liked that. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. That's the only other film that I adapted from from a novel and never adapted. Anything else? Not true. Not true miss. But was this. It was different because I wrote the screen at the school was very very different from the short story. Why notice that when you got back to Germany after me and him that you did one of your own short stories as adaptation with money. Yeah. Right. Which got remade in Korea and China? Really? Yeah. Did you see those? What were they like? No, no. I never saw him all EM curious with me and him. Did you ever watch the Italian version of that? No never. It's it's not an easy one. Yes. You'll e Louis I think it's called. Yeah. That's the title of the novel. Yeah. From seventy three a, wow, I didn't even know. I didn't know there. If this is you sure because I talked about idea the author. The novel. Yeah, I'll send you link. It's on YouTube right now. Oh, wow. Okay. Thanks sounds interesting. And it's unworkable you're saying or difficult to watch. It's a little difficult to watch. I mean, just the, you know, the sexual politics of Italy in the early seventies were not as enlightened as maybe they could have been. Oh, no, certainly not how interesting, but nobody ever told me and before the internet. There was no way to find out. But even Abby didn't tell me a while. I don't think anybody knew that. I certainly didn't know. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. And yeah, it's very close to it because I'm reading to phallic novel right now. And seeing you know, it's it's lining up seeing perceiving. Okay. All right. Oh that really sounds interesting. Will thank you so much for for the time today. I really appreciate this. I'm hoping maybe we can talk again sometime that you are your career is just so. Fascinating. And I've only been able to track down a handful of movie so far, but everything I've seen. I've really enjoyed. Thank you so much. Thank you. And thank you for your work. I it's a salty earth. You know, people who love movies and are interested in in finding out more about them, and the filmmakers, and thank you so much for that. Entrenched. Yeah. Okay. We talk about real quick Griffin. Dunne why he didn't do the show? Eric. Let me see if I can find that exact Email, so I don't miss quote him here. So you each him himself or his people because Griffin actually was on the show. He was on our chilly scenes of winter. Yeah. And I so I have as dress and I reached out to them. Okay. Wanna be on this? And he said making this movie was a low point in my career and nothing with thrill me more than if the whole experience was forgotten podcast away. But not with me. And I love the way that that interview ends where our director did know that this was actually a remake or adapted from a book the head already been adapted. Let's say as a film, cold Yui Louis, and I don't know if you guys got a chance to watch this. This is one of my favorite things where I love to drop movies and dropbox that have no English subtitles to be found ever. We just did the sun the body dip Assode with a Bollywood version of Bali body double. But here we have an Italian comedy, which is aimed at the same story. But a little bit different. I watched part of actually what I what I can see obviously, my town is not is not really. But when I'm like, you I kind of like some kind of fun to watch a movie. Without the subtitles just pissing films. A visual medium just makes you kinda work. Lars, if you were down with, but it looks better than being him the prints, obviously the print we'll add access. You wasn't wasn't a great. That's nobody's fault. It's just the nature of it. But there was obviously some weird, collars, composition and nudity or want to. Would. All right. He's a director and good. It. What I what I saw that. I kinda got it. I feel there's a little more of nod to female sexuality to which I thought was cool. His like the females mean him just seems very. Utilitarian, you know, it's kinda like the women at are kind of latent Burgess. I mean, they have about as much they don't even seem like the really that turned on by him. It's just kind of they're like like a video game. Character more seven like a person, which I'm fine with the film had been completely just like eighty Dr filming on that route. That would words, but but obviously didn't but. But what did you think about EEO Louis? I watched the opening than some scenes and had it looked leave it to the talian to put nudity in a movie about sex. Thank you for that talent. Not that hard. Why love that at the beginning? He's practically drowning in pubic hair that was pretty Nate as a little much. Yeah. I I watch on betting too much into a better data. I thought it was interesting director, right? It hadn't heard of the that. It was a movie why didn't anyone tell her that those another movie based on this book a waiver to tell you? I didn't that she didn't even know it was a book. Yeah. At least she'd met Maria and knew about two phallic novel. The movie is actually pretty faithful to Moravians book. It begins almost the exact same way with our main character having this dream and this woman. Apparently, it's it ends up being his wife her crotch, and he just does not want to have sex with his wife, and in this one in the book, at least the wife is a lot heavier. She's had his child. It's that whole I don't wanna have sex with by wife after she's had our kid, and she's put on a little bit of wave that kind of thing. So she does not look in the book nearly as attractive as Ellen green. The woman who is in the movie, I think she is very attractive. So again, it's one of these problems as far as like, hey, you have this really tractive woman. Here why aren't you interested in her anymore? So that's always problematic, and he ends up humiliating her in Ilian Louis and also in the book where he makes her act like a cow, and then rather than having sex with her after he makes her act like a cow for whatever reason he just ends up leaving her. So there are. A lot of beets that are similar between the film and the book in. Yeah. I I was amazed at how much of my talion came back as I was watching this. I was very happy with myself. He made the the wife mccown or the that was the his wife weird. Yeah. The scene of her dressed up more like a schoolgirl that wasn't in the book that might have been later on in the book, but yet goes from like her dresses, a schoolgirl to her moving like a cow and then him leaving her and humidity humiliating her into doors is point. There was a lot more idea of communism in the book, and in the movie to which was interesting, and there's a scene also which I appreciated where the director the screenwriter. He's a screenwriter who wants to be a director and his trying to find that perfect screenplays trying to get inspiration in this way. And where he. He allows the dick to use his mouth insofar as he allows the dicta talk through him. And there's a scene of him seducing woman with the Dick's voice, which I've found interesting. So if that's you know, that would be another superpower that the dick could have had a me and him, but they opted to not go that way. That's asinine thing to that. Granted own see Mark linn, bakers points, come out of Griffin. Put also like that that would have made sense that would help the plot alone. Not just like I can hear their penises. I can name women's names. The again trying to kill towers. I do the name game doors Boras. We boarder savannah of heavy voyeurs. He's just like the Pena's reciting a dirty limericks or something just we're at eighty nine minutes or almost at ninety come on. What are you got? Yeah. Had it said let me take over for a little while and given over to the deck and just let the dick have the voice, I think that would have been kind of an interesting thing and at the end of the day after watching both of these movies. I all I can say is why don't these guys beat their meet a little bit more. So the Pena's asking a little tension. That's all it's always saying, look, the there's so much potential humor with that. Because you can have light word Venus's lightning break. And he's like oh, God not again. Like, you know, and yeah. Yeah. That's like it's out. I've taken probably a weird place, but we're talking pain asus. It's already there. There's no Bester bation. Which is that's at is really weird. That's a pretty human Metron. There's a lot of your comedy when he does find in in uey. Louis there's that same sleep with me seeing that we're talking about the thing that atom actually got through experience in that scenario plays out that he wakes up the next morning and the woman is masturbating. So it's like, oh, okay. So it would have been kind of almost more of a dirty trick Adam woken up in that woman that you weren't sleeping with was there, you know, jacket off without you like I could have been a part of this would have been terrible. To do. Yeah. You Louis was really hard to find for a lot of years. Because today, I know about that movie. I don't know if I knew about that movie, or if I just couldn't find that movie when I wrote an article about talking genitals a few years ago for para cinema magazine because that that was like the it took me probably like three years after I wrote that piece until I finally got my hands on that movie. But yeah, I watched a lot of talking dick movies and talking vagina movies while I was doing my research for that to the point where when you brought this movie up Adamos, just like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm familiar with this one. So the only way you would know about it. So when paid you to watch it or told you to watch it now, I volunteer for that. You know? It was one of those things whereas looking around on my shelves here at home. And I was like man, I've got a lot of talking with China in talking penis movies here. So I should films mostly or they foreign a lot of French films. There are two French films called pussy talk. And then there's chatterbox which is a US film. And that's where the the vaginas more of a. Kind of more like vaudeville type humor kind of thing. But I what I really found. Interesting is that penises only talked to the people that own them, but vaginas talk for the whole world to here. So in all of the talking Jinan movies. Everyone can hear those vaginas and in pussy talk to the vagina is actually are staging a little bit of a revolt, and they want to take over the world, which I found to be kind of a nice thing. Chatterbox is more comedic, but it still has some funny moments. And then I can't remember people can hear lulus talking asshole. But I wouldn't necessarily consider that talking genital film. How my camman? That's it's just Franko. It's Lina Romay. It's called loose talking asshole. This knowing that exists makes my heart happy for some reason, and your article was brilliant, by the way, I hope you may. I hope you wait to it. When you have because it's intimate Hasek article. Thank you. I appreciate that. Ojos Brown eye opening little Oscar Jag. I don't I don't think we should spoil. We want people to little Oscar in the piece about that was very funny yet. And then this whole idea of a talking penis has been done. A few other times there is a Thai film called talking dick. There's two German films. One. The first one is called ants in the pants, and I don't remember what the second one was called. But it was renamed porkies college or something like that. And then the first one got renamed as perky college to which made no sense that the the first one followed the second one, but these movies are from all over the world. I was very happy to find the Thai version the talking dick movie. So yeah, the these are familiar things then there while I was doing my research finding going back all the way to cash I wanna say like the eighteen hundreds. There's a book called the indiscreet jewels. Which was about the the women around the court of one of the Louis neon Louis the fifteenth or sixteenth, and that all of their genitals could talk, and then I think Heather you, and I were talking a little bit off line as far as one of my other favorite talking. Penis movies is the the film marquee, which is the whole story. Murky decide all told through. Puppets. And there's a talking penis. And that which ends up getting I think the marquee fucking wall with his penis, which was pretty great. That movies amazing. I that's not available Blu Ray in this country. A on it really should be his murky is it is a site the hall, especially Pena's like the Pope Innocent, so cute. Like this little phase petite phase in the OEM emotional on his. I saw that in high school at I was a blew my mind, you have arcane should be out. That's that's no. That's a great fell. I we should have been talking about. Would Marlin Baker in marquee. I'm sorry. It's Craig Nelson in murky now, you waste, David. Alan Grier Marquis. I think I actually mentioned marquee cash probably about a year and a half ago because we were doing the tenant which was written by role until poor and to poor ended up doing some puppet work doing some some writing of other things with this guy. Unreal. And I'm gonna screw up his last name, but Jono or something it's ex H L N E A U, and then they decided to work on this movie together. So to poor who wrote the tenant, and in in many, many other things was part of the paddock movement with hotter outscored around. Yeah. Yeah. Back then he was doing this stuff. And then ended up in nineteen eighty nine putting out marquee. So it's got a good pedigree. S pedigree, any it's it's marquee to saw in puppet s-. I mean, I don't know what else could sell somebody on film. That's Geoffrey Rush. He didn't know Caja, but he's not doesn't have a talking penis. No an talking door weirdly door. It's cute. But you're like, this is a pain. It's like a punky Pena's like Pokemon betas the doors. So I did have one weird question for you guys. Which is and I've always been fascinated by this do you guys have names for your genitals. 'cause I know some people name their genitals, which I've always found to be strange. But if if you do have names, I'm not casting judgement on you. I don't I don't know. One thing. Emit too. I wish I did make funnier I did have a name for my cell phone that while I was on a date with someone who is back when he flip phones and she put in my name prince, Adam. And I was like, no. And she thought she'd being fun. I will back now. King speaks my last name. And then we laughed about. And she's like, oh, you think you're the king? And then I left myself, then was in a meeting, my boss's office, the ten other people in calls me back in because. And we left your cell phone near. Oh. So everyday, right. When I get the doors as king's figues. Might as well. Call my peanut how about yourself Esther role. Damn. How many get haunted by her house? Like you. Let's talk about naming your China. No, I don't the navy. I don't again pay you know. No judgment many. It's the okay. You know, take care of take care of your body. You don't need the name civic parts of it. I know what this thing for sun guys to name the genitals. Have you ever heard of a lady naming her genitals? Hey, I'm having a member. Passing me upside of a was because friend of mine a college she was hanging out with a girl that she's bartending with. And this girl was kinda crazy in light. My friend was only out this girl had this one night stand with the guy and she scared him off 'cause she kept talking to his tick. And she kept calling her her lady Parr name, and it was I guess too heavy of a scene. I can't remember. Was it depends with all the right like if she called it something Esther, always McCue like this one. They would like come on Hitler get. Yeah. Little mussalini. He's waiting for you, baby. It was a. Poland to give it up. The belt. That's not right. Oh, I can't. I it was something like it. I just remember the name of something you would give to like a fluffy dog a little poodle like camera was that. It was weird. No judgment. But you you probably if you have no one stamos somebody you probably want to make that a second nightstands or nightstand. Kind of introduction. So tips for the listeners. Go get freaky till the second. That's right. All right. We're gonna take another break and play preview for next week show. On the surface. Robert Marling had everything a man could want no matter. What happens I want you to remember that? I love. But underneath it. All. There was a world that intrigued. Helping you be like Santer said -duced him twenty bed at all. And robbed him of everything. He had can you say my name. Can we gambling at it? Now, he saved me saved. You could run didn't. Didn't. He's about to get some help from a most unlikely place believed. I could see things what do you see? Things that will happen site named heaven. What's gonna happen tonight? Good luck chump lecture and seeing anything. Stunt is gonna be bluffing on his last hand you have money. We gotta do exactly how I discussed it. And I keep seeing free and you can win fool. God help us. What's to happen to me? That's right. We'll be back next week with a look at the nineteen ninety eight film heaven until then I want this week's co host Adam, and Heather, Adam what is the latest with you, sir. Probably resents my podcast. I pod faded for while. There's a lot of over two hundred don't judge me. Some great interviews in great reviews. Just go through and look at it. You can Email me nothing which ones I recommend reach Adam and MAC dot com. But unloved you're gonna move Colt move. It's about bad movies that we love and why we love them. And why they're so good. Why should watch? And then we interview people who made them, including the the crazy guy. I'm sorry. Alan who made. UB DO and Balka goal three talks about shakes clown. And it just did interview with stuttering, John which has nothing to do with movies. But I'm putting that up. 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