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The 'Shadow GM' Causing A Rift In Dallas

The Lead

20:35 min | 4 months ago

The 'Shadow GM' Causing A Rift In Dallas

"Over the past week dallas mavericks front office has basically been vacated. The dallas mavericks saved. They mutually agreed to part ways. With general manager. Donnie nelson rick carlisle who led the mavericks to that championship. Ten years ago informed owner mark cuban. Today he will not return as their head coach next year. This is a huge change in dallas mavericks. But what makes this shakeup. So unusual is its connection with the controversial person within the mavs or an analytics expert and former professional gambler. The athletic a bit of a ball show for four earlier today. And it's around this shadow up for today. The cato who broke that story joins us to discuss. Why mavs owner mark. Cuban hired a former professional gambler in the first place. How vulgarity has been rubbing players and staff members the wrong way and why so many people within the mass organization. We're willing to speak with him for historic. the reason. A lot of the team sources spoke to us is because there are concerns that the way they are operating would lead to a situation years where it was possible they would look back and say man. We We really screwed up and nobody nobody around. The steam wants to look back and have that very humbling unsettling thought from wondering athletic. I'm honored scelzo. it's monday june twenty-first and this is the league so tim in the past week. The dallas mavericks have lost their longtime. Gm and their head coach been quashing. Rumours about their biggest star potentially leaving and their owner mark. Cuban has called reports of dysfunction quote. Total bullshit so my question for you is how are you doing man. Have you slept at all the past week. Man it has been a weird week. I think that's fair to say. But i'm finally catching up on sleep messages. Several glasses of water. You know making sure. I remember to eat all those good things but he. I think i'm finally that all caught up now. It's been a week for sure. Hydration scheming hydration is all right. Well tim you and our colleague. Sam amick recently wrote the story about the guy who seems to be at the heart of a lot of the turmoil that we've been seeing within the dallas mavericks. So i what can you tell us about harare. Labus bob vulgarities. What's his background. Yeah bob's back. On his interesting he's been a public figure since really. The beginning of the twentieth tens and to my right is the most successful. Nba better probably ever so. He said that the other day did the privacy of your own home. You said that she was someone who i think. Probably a lot of people. I interacted with them or became aware of his existence on the bill simmons. Podcasts rabbi bugera's. Favorites i did. You have just out of curiosity for mvp correct. Yeah i had a tough one before that pretty. His background is mostly details that he shared so it's his telling his own story but according to him he was a gambler starting in the late nineties mostly on the nba and he initially made money through his own instincts. Back when i started the bookmakers this hard to believe. They're even more coolest than they are. Now i mean so it was. It was really really easy to exploit what they were doing. Nowadays on these started telling him. And that's when he came back a few years later with an analytics model events and employed math prodigy who remains anonymous but is commonly referred to as the woods. Together they built a model doing algorithm that simulates a game the basketball between any two teams and creates a projected. School full has described ewing as the greatest thing when it comes to sports betting that he says the spread at more than five percent of the time. Butch when you're gambling the type of money he's supposedly is obviously. That's a great return and in the past few years he's been involved with mark cuban and what was mark cuban thinking in bringing in a guy like kim who's essentially coming from gambling background. Like what were the skills that mark cuban thought he might have. That would translate well into this new role as a director of analytics for the mass. Well to me. It's no surprise that him and mark were people that connected and bonded while they both have similar backgrounds. As you know self made wealthy people they both have similar interests when it comes to crypto currency. Actually we started accepting bitcoin. Thousand seventeen is when we started. I mean obviously familiar with bitcoin. You know initiation at least my initiation to it. You know two thousand twelve earlier and just generally dealing in these business circles that you see owners and influential people around the league beyond that we've seen the analytics movement and the increasing influence of sports analytics throughout every single sport especially over the past decade. We went from just fit biz with basic sensors and heart monitors blood pressure monitors. Now everybody's trying to push the envelope for new types of sensors and so new sources of data is the first and then the second so in that sense it was also surprised. That mark cuban would look at someone with the analytics backing that he has and think. This is a good person to bring in someone who's insights. I've gone to over the years even before he was officially hired by the team. It also wasn't a bad idea for the mavericks to add a new voice to a franchise and a front office. That had been very tenured over the course of decades. Donnie nelson for a brief moment was the longest tenure general manager. He had been around in that role since two thousand five likewise carlyle was hired in two thousand eight and he had also become the second longest tenured head coached with only gregg popovich serving longer than him. And so when you consider that the mavericks had not won a playoff series. Still up not wanna playoff series since two thousand eleven championship and when you look at the results and returns of their front office i definitely think that it was time for a new voice and for somebody that could offer different way of thinking and a different way to go about trying to build a roster around luca dodge and i know it's hard to tease out. Who's responsible for what especially these front office roles. But from what you've been able to gather. Tim what positive impacts has bob had on this mavericks team since his rival yeah. I do think it's important to say that. Bob is a very smart person and his grasp of analytics is at a high level. I have no doubt that a lot of what he brought. In terms of game plans and strategies and adjustments that stuff is really valuable to have. And so it's the mavericks are both a franchise that does have this history of listening in valuing analytics and bob represented that as well and was very helpful to the team in those ways. Well despite the good things that he might've been doing on the analytic side it sounds like there were some ways in which bob'll garrison was really creating friction within this team and this organization and to you wrote about a few of these incidents in your recent story so i can you tell us what happened on the night of the twenty twenty. Nba draft the twenty twenty draft to me it was kind of an inflection point where bob's role and his influence was made very stark and clear. She was physically in the draft room and many of the scouts were not a lot of them. Were joining over zoom with the eighteenth. Pick in the two thousand twenty. Nba draft dallas mavericks. Select josh green from sydney australia and the university of arizona and the first two picks the mavericks maeve pick eighteen. Which was josh green and pick thirty one. Which was higher all terry. Both of them were made by bob. You could argue that. They are made by cuban. Who was listening to bob. But however you parse the details it was clear from those people in the room and people on zoom that bob very clearly had the influence in that room he very clearly was the one that mark was listening to to the point that the scouts were not even really consulted and they have differing opinions about who should be drafted for. At least one of the its and that was an instance where it became very clear that there was a level of dysfunction. That this rule that bob held than it was something that was that was affecting the overall power structure of the team and how they went about making decisions. And can you tell us about some of the confusion that existed around the league about. Who's actually running this team. Yeah another thing reported was. There was a moment where trades were discussed with a rival team. Bob was talking to this team. And so was donnie nelson and the team felt they were getting different levels of information from the to about what was actually on the table. What was possible and trade. That happened or caused confusion in that specific manner but it wasn't incident where those around the league were looking at the front office looking at the mavericks for an office which has always been viewed as donnie nelson being the figurehead and cuban. Being the one who makes the calls and all of a sudden it felt like donnie was still in his role as the president of basketball operations as he had been for sixteen years but he was almost operating on an island. And and then bob on this other side. They were the people who are actually making decisions on this team. Donnie nelson whose role is very clear. He's should be someone you should be able to talk to you about. Transactions like this and they weren't sure whether that was even the case anymore and so in addition to all this confusion about how much power bob bulgars really had within the organization to me also wrote about a clash between vulgarities and the team superstar luka doncic. Can you tell us exactly what happened between them. The first incident with luka doncic came in early february two of the biggest stars in the nba steph curry and look at their first meeting of the year he was playing the warriors. They started the season. Slow tensions were already a bit high. And when you turn the ball over you know just threw a pass. He didn't even have forced it. Pass wanamaker with steel brought with the foul too. He's all bob on the sideline and perceive a motion. That bob was making towards him. A kind of calm down with both hands motioning down. She viewed that specifically directed at him and yelled at him. Don't fucking tell me to calm. Down and bob told people later on that. You wasn't specifically motioning. At luca was a misunderstanding. But because a lot of players in that locker room luca included already viewed him as someone that they didn't really care for that ever up them the wrong way. That was just really representational. That bob physically being around the team is presence around. The team was not positive. Thing for the beverage in that incident definitely showed that something else we reported was luca's a highly competitive person and has been his whole career and again the mavericks ended up losing he notes. Bob leave the court with about a minute left. Apparently this is something. Bob would actually do often. It was was more meant to be prepped. To debrief with the coaching staff after the games but lucas perception of that event was that this person he already had issues with with someone who left the court before a game that they were losing was finalized and he viewed that as bob quitting on the team and told people after the game as much and that was the last game that bob physically attended the season including through the playoffs. Even though he's still was involved in his role providing analytics insights adjustments. He wasn't around the team after that anymore. To me that was a telling moment in the power structure just fracturing to even another degree so when you boil this down tim does. It seem like a big part of the problem. Here is bob's difficulty maintaining relationships with people across the organization and is this an example. Maybe of of a guy who's more of a numbers. Guinan analytics guy. Lacking the sort of human relationship side of things to be an effective person in this organization. I think that's one takeaway. That shows in points to the dysfunction. In this team i think that the undefined role and influence that bob had in his role in the front office. I think that was another issue. That caused a lot of confusion and i think ultimately to some level. This is a story about mark. Cuban another quote in the story from a team source said you know the most powerful person in the organization is mark cuban but whoever is listening to a second recently. It's been bob bogus. And i think that is the big question about the mavericks going forwards especially as we look to hire a general manager. Is this going to be someone who has say an influence someone who listens to but it's still mark ultimately making the calls at the top essentially functioning as general manager of the team. 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Thousands of great cars within the dallas mavericks recently hired franchise legend dirk nowitzki to serve as a special advisor as they searched for a new general manager and head coach. What's your interpretation of that higher. I could at safer sure. The exact reasoning behind this e clearly is a pr move in the sense that it is good to bring your franchise legend around the team in a moment of unusual instability. But that might have just been a bonus on the side. I mean it's worth noting. That dirks role is not gonna be to today. And all they've shared about it is hoping these two hires for these to open positions they have and if we don't really hear anything after that i think it's fair to say that. Yeah it was more of a pr move. That said we were just talking about mark in who he listens to. And i think if there's anybody who can look at mark and say you're wrong or you need to do differently or you need to listen to this person. I think someone like during vicky is going to have that ability in that level of influence over him to say that. And i think there's definitely value in having someone like that in the room so many of the questions around. This team's future revolve around luka doncic whose contract expires next year and in a press conference the other day. Tim luca did not sound thrilled. About the fact that donnie nelson this gm who reportedly started scouting him when he was just fourteen years old with leaving. We know all like donnie I know him since. I was a kid and he was on the jacksonian know and it was tough for me seeing that. But i'm not the one making decision there so This is Whatever the dolphins is making just. How central is luca to the way that this team rebuilds. Its front office. going forward. Every decision the mavericks make from this point out is framed around luca as well. You know. he's the future of this team. He's a generational talent the talent of his generation. I think it's fair to say and as the mavericks fords. They have to make sure that they're making decisions. That are right by luca. Making sure they put people that he interacts with that he gets along with around him and putting players around him. That can bring this team from one. That's lost twice in the first round the past two seasons to one that can be actually continuing for titles and championships but at the same time every indication is and sources say that he does plan to sign his extension. The super max extension. That's going to be for five years and worth more than two hundred million dollars and things are certainly not at such a perilous situation where there's any fear that luca would consider not signing that max extension that said the reason a lot of the team sources and people who spoke to me and sam amick for the story spoke to us is because there are concerns that the way things were operating would lead to a situation a few years where it was possible they would look back and say man we had luanch and we really screwed it up and nobody nobody around the steam nobody on franchise wants to look back and have that very humbling in unsettling thought and so. I think that's why this story came out. You know in why so many people were willing to talk to me for. It is because there is a fear that that could be the direction the franchise is headed. And it's not too late to change course at least for now bob. Bulgars is still in the same role with the mavs but looking at this long-term tim. Does it feel sustainable to keep him there. I mean if you think about the way. That a an incoming. Gm might feel the possibility of their power sort of being taken away from them by this guy when you think about the rifts that has formed between him and luca is his long term presence. Riskier than it's worth. It's hard to say. I stay right now. Whether he wouldn't back with organization or not were it would be a role very similar. Perhaps even more remote. If he's around the team less and interacting players less maybe there is a continued value to having him providing these insights that he is supposedly very good at that. Said you know. I think if i'm a general manager and i'm interviewing for the job one of the questions. I asked mark cuban is. What is bob's role going forward. And can i trust that. I'm going to be the one you're listening to not him. Well tim thanks for your reporting on this and keep cutting up on that sleeping so much. You can read tim. 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6/18/21: Juneteenth is a national holiday...and more news

The Dallas Morning News

03:09 min | 4 months ago

6/18/21: Juneteenth is a national holiday...and more news

"This is the dallas morning news brought to you by taking the outdoors with nature valley. Granola bars it's all the sounds of hitting the trail in a micro cast so you can recharge with nature whenever you need it. Find it everywhere. You listen to podcasts. It's friday june eighteenth and this is your dallas morning news. Today's weather it'll be hot and humid today with a high of ninety five. It'll cool off this evening to an overnight. Low of seventy two here are today's headlines tomorrow. June nineteenth is officially a national holiday. A bill recognizing juneteenth. The day long recognized as the official end of slavery in the united states was signed into law by president biden texas republican john cornyn and houston democrat. Sheila jackson-lee led the push for the new holiday and stood with the president as he signed the legislation. Juneteenth has been a state holiday in texas for four decades in other news. One win a free gift card. All you have to do is get a vaccine a raffle for people who were vaccinated between june first and july twenty third could get gift cards to places like walmart target and starbucks. The raffle was announced by mayor. Eric johnson it has been more than six months since covid nineteen shots became available but fewer than half the eligible people in dallas are fully vaccinated other prizes. Include airline tickets and autographs dallas mavericks memorabilia. Good luck and get vaccinated. Meanwhile it's been called the biggest and best gunman law this session. Texans can soon begin carrying a handgun in public without a license or training. Yesterday governor greg. Abbott signed legislation allowing permit 'less carey and people twenty one and older who can legally possess a handgun will no longer need a state issued license to carry one outside their homes or vehicles at the at least twenty other states already have some form of law that allows people to carry a gun without a permit. The law here in texas takes effect. September first and parting is such sweet sorrow. Dallas mavericks head coach. Rick carlisle is leaving the team. The news comes after. The mavericks lost first round playoff series against the los angeles clippers and one day after the announced departure of longtime president of basketball operations. Donnie nelson carlisle was the mavericks coach for a franchise record thirteen seasons winning more games than any coach in team history and the only championship in the team's history. Thanks for listening for more on today's stories and for the latest breaking news visit dallas news dot com and don't forget to check out the dallas morning news rewards program for our virtual events for more info on upcoming events please visit rewards dot dallas news dot com. Enjoy your day spoken layer.

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The Mavs Move On From Their Long-Time President

KILF Morning New Podcast

07:16 min | 4 months ago

The Mavs Move On From Their Long-Time President

"Go baby could talk a lot. You know what she's thinking and what makes her happy but unfortunately baby kit or remind you. You're the one taking her to daycare today and she won't speak up if you drive street to work like any other day and never think to the vaccine every year. Dozens of kids die from heat stroke in cars no one is perfect so set a reminder and always look before you lock. Where's baby paid for by nitsa. This was this was a big surprise. Really why. Excuse me. Steve lamb joining us now to talk about a little bit morning steve. I'm shocked his as you guys are. This might have something to do with this story from the athletic that came out a couple of days ago about some problems internally in in the organization with who's who's making the decisions right now there's a guy that was hired a couple of years ago a professional gambler. That's a weird story to eight and and it really is. And i don't know how much that plays into. He's apparently like way into the analytics. Yup and stuff. If the story is that he he had some he. He offended lucas. Somehow if you ever saw the movie moneyball there was a guy that they hired in. He was just a guy that was a number cruncher. That's that's what it is. Almost as far as i know every team has won and so bob. Bulgaria says come in the last couple of years and is having a lot of say in the decision making some people are saying that went as far as him having the lineup for rick carlisle is this. These are the guys you should start in. Tonight's game which. I i just don't buy that at all. I don't think carlisle's going to let anybody telling while there's another rumor. That carlyle is interested in moving on himself. Right to to the milwaukee. Yeah that's that's the way to always get a raise. Isn't it maggie. So do you think. Donna left on his own or with our staff. No i don't and the reason. I say that is because what i heard on the jump. Yesterday for marc spears. Donnie was fire. let's just be real downing was fire He's been there for since nineteen eighty eight. And i've heard that one guy that's really upset about it is guy. You don't want upset. I'm not the one guy. Luka doncic they were really really close And actually don six in slovenia. He's Working out with just of indian national team getting prepared for the olympics and he will have a statement tomorrow really at a press conference. i'm not sure what he's gonna say but apparently he's gonna make a statement about donny's firing tomorrow also being told in terms of the two hundred million dollar extension our talks going People close to him. Were saying what talk decided. That's not that's not. there's no talks right now. Show the two thousand dollar said that. That's for luke right right in. Because he gets the supermax contract after being named for the second year to wrote to the nba first team for what people saw during the regular season. But if you're listening to that. If luca doctorates isn't happy we got a real problem and people are already putting pictures out there on. Different sides of him wearing a lakers jersey. And you see him and lebron james how how terrible well in we just don't know a lot of details because dining nelson didn't say anything we haven't had it right and that's why that's why it sounds so ridiculous to say a mutual parting of the ways. If a guy is leaving on his own he says so. And i've decided to leave. I've had a wonderful career here. If i wish retired is on right and all mark cuban says is we were. He'll always be a part of the family. And i want to wish him all the best round so. This is a big void for the team to feel. I waiting for cuban to meet with the media. He doesn't do very often. But we're gonna have to have something it come on. The ten year anniversary of winning the championship wasn't the yes and donny is credited with signing the two biggest players franchises ever had in dodgers in dirk. The street did. Our building is named after high. Were aren't address here on the vicki way. All right But donnie nelson audios going. He'll go and hang out with his dad a little bit little bit. I guess over in hawaii boy. If he does that he's lost. You can weed elsa and the problem. They steve steve lamb with that. The city of salona has passed frisco as the hottest new home market in north texas. Yeah all the building is moving north because frisco starting to get built out i mean there's still land to build but not as much as there used to be getting overbuilt if you ask me. It's getting it's getting a little bit cheaper. In the further you go the sure gotten so expensive in frisco almost bought a house on anna at one point. Goodness you would have to charter a southwest flight. A we have a friend who works with carolina in denton lives in oklahoma really. Yeah wow she makes the drive everyday anyway. Selena has issued one thousand three hundred fifty two residential building permits through may thirty first of this year compared to friscos. One thousand. Two hundred eighty. Three crisco has about two hundred and ten thousand residents when we moved there. You know how many how many people live there fourteen now. It was like ninety nine thousand eight hundred and that was fourteen years ago. Yeah that crazy. Yeah the the northern the the communities to the north of gela floating about thirty thousand people right now selena but obviously that's going to grow and very that lives on a big farm in salon. She loves it. He's not gonna love it after moving. Here that's right because texas seems to have a way of Approving you housing without approving building new roads or expanding existing ones donkeys and bs. That's wonderful that's cool. Get this. there's a there's a family in texarkana to likes to procreate and september pair of specific day. that's anniversary. I guess i don't know they have three kids with the same birthday and they're not triplets. There's no no twins involved just three separate kids with the same birthday. That is so random for privacy. The family chose not to reveal the exact date. Okay let somebody do the math. I think scott do the math. And i say okay means september's their big month. Yeah they must've gotten married that.

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SportsDay Insider: All-Star Rangers, Mavs recruiters and a fair deal for Sha'Carri Richardson

The Dallas Morning News

39:30 min | 3 months ago

SportsDay Insider: All-Star Rangers, Mavs recruiters and a fair deal for Sha'Carri Richardson

"Hello north texas. Sports fans welcomed a sports day insider from the dallas morning news. It's your weekly on all things. Cowboys rangers mavericks stars. Should i go on. I'm kevin sherrington. i'm evan grant. And i'm david moore we break down the calls the playmakers and all the inside scoop right here. Every tuesday and you can stay up date on every sports day insider episode and other great shows just followed the dallas morning news. Wherever you get your podcast and if you like what you hear don't forget to rate the dallas morning news feed. It really does make a difference guys. Can we get the show started. Let's do it here. We goes sports fans. Hello everybody welcome into sports day insider with evan grant. I l pal. Hi evan are you hello kevin. Hi how are you. what's what's going on. That is the worst hulo ingredient you've ever given me first of all took you like ten seconds to figure out what to say and then you sounded so bored when you did it. Did the message come across about the big delay in production. Yeah one of our members seemed to be a little confused as to what the vacation schedule was that we agreed upon a couple of weeks ago. I guess that would be david moore. Who is the third member of the bar little troika here and he's he's on vacation so he's he's out today. Let me ask you this. I've been what you. What did you do for july. The fourth Let's see what do we do for july fourth. We had a great big misunderstanding with my mother-in-law law that lets you her not. Oh real fireworks were there were. I wouldn't say it was fireworks. It was just kind of a. We're going to use those services just kind of a dud and then you know we bought this This fancy townhouse down here in downtown dallas so that we could have this roof deck so that we could watch fireworks off the bridge. I mean that was pretty much. The entire reason for buying this house is that what tells you know that was. That was my thinking. Because i'm very rational human being And so this is the third consecutive year that we've lived in a house that we've managed not to see any fireworks off of the bridge because there weren't on this year. That's terrible so if you had been with me here in russellville arkansas where. I met my in-laws and where my brother-in-law left us. I dunno i. It seemed like a thousand dollars worth of fireworks. I mean these were large boxes that you that you lied to fuse. And then these rockets go off. I think that this is what you know. They have north korea that they're setting up in these silos in china. And i'm telling you it's unbelievable but they what we set those off and manage not to kill anybody so it was really good so we What we did is young stepdaughter had a party out in flower mound. And she went there and we said look just have fun. We'll we'll we'll pick you up later on so We picked her up. And we came back home in We got off a thirty five at wycliffe thereby the anatole and kinda came over the bridge. That is wycliffe slash. Sylvan and At eleven o'clock at night both sides of the bridge were just packed with parked cars The median of the bridge was just packed with park cars. And if you slowed down at the top of the bridge in just looked out over west dallas. You saw what amounted to be professional fireworks going off because the entire neighborhood was just going crazy And then i got up the next morning. And i read about the columbus blue jackets goalie. Who was killed in a fireworks accident. Terrible story wasn't it. Yeah i just. I don't even i don't really have it straight exactly what happened. Then he got hit in the chest he fell. He hit his head. There were a number of things that seem to have happened and it was just a terrible terrible. I believe he was in a hot tub at the time that's what that everybody was scrambling to get out of the hot tub. And that's an. And the i i don't understand the actual events that happened but it was a terrible terrible so i i had to tell you. I'm very very nervous about this whole fireworks thing here. Usually the extent of my fireworks is the hannah sparkler to one of the kids. And say here. You go so. This was a little different for me. I like watching fireworks. I don't like having to deal with Our dogs when the fireworks go off. But i am completely okay to leave fireworks to the professionals. Yeah and then. that's the case. Pretty much a nice. Segue the rangers as well. They lead the fireworks to Other professionals for the most part Although this year we have not one not two but three rangers made the all star team. Evan this is this is what is the last time you're supposed to know this kind of stuff. When is the last rangers had three as many as three representatives on the all star. I think you have to go all the way back to Two thousand and nineteen two years. Is that what it was. The last all star game that was actually played. Yes they had Mike minor hundred pants. Who then was replaced and joey gal hundred pants. Yeah that that was the last swansong for him. Yeah but i. There's a lot of different ways you can look at These three all-stars Being on a team and one is this is a rebuilding team in here. You know it's one of the youngest rosters in the big leagues and you've got you've got three stars. So does that say something that you've got something of a core here that you can build around or does it say that You've just gotten lucky in in you should trade these guys as quickly as possible The other part of it. I think is that you know you look at the journey that these guys made to be all stars in kyle. Gibson was a free agent signee. He's the third pitching free agent. Signee over the last three years with the rangers who has been offered a spot in the all star game as we mentioned mike minor in two thousand nineteen lance. Lynn was offered a late spot in two thousand nineteen but declined and gibson is is going this year Certainly seems to indicate to me that the rangers are doing a good job lately of identifying Free agent pitchers that can be successful. adult garcia is an all star. This is a guy who was designated for assignment. Twice and traded for cash. Certainly appears to be a good With a good scouting decision and a good development of plan. And then there's gallo and you know he's been in consecutive all star games now He is an elite defender You look at i. I've started looking at his war over the last three years. And certainly he's not mookie betts or might trout but if you compare him with any other outfielder over that time period war wise if not you know batting average and necessarily any of the individual numbers war wise he stacks up as an elite outfielder so It does give you some pause as to exactly what the rangers need to do here. Yeah that's that's the issue for me here in discussing all and and and you're right to bring up the fact that the rangers of have done some good things here you know. They have They figured out some stuff they they've starting show they do a good job Fixing you know. Free agent pitchers that's I kind of surprised that hasn't gotten a little more traction nationally the fact that they've been able to do this i don't know i guess i don't pay enough attention to what everybody else is doing. And what other clubs are doing. Are they had the same kind of success that the rangers are having or not but but these are guys been major only three pitchers and all of big league baseball giving you have to understand that. There's jacob degrom there's a Shohei otani and There was up until this really horrific situation that appears to be going down in los angeles. Trevor bauer and nobody paid any attention to anybody else. So yeah these are guys who have been you know a major trade market speculation Not maybe maybe gibson a little less so For whatever reason. I'm not really sure why that is I guess because He had not had the success that minor or or that land slanted had before. But let me ask you this about that situation so. I think you know what's going to happen here. If the rangers hold onto these guys you know any of them. Two of the three all three or one of the three And then that then that player does not come back. Next year. The big year the reaction will be will. What a huge mistake the rangers made. They shouldn't have been trying to do that. They should they should have gotten rid of this guy when they had the opportunity to do so. And if they Of course or if they trade these guys And it doesn't end up to be a great player you know good Return on the On the trade and that guy goes on to be a superstar which frankly. I still think that joey gallo has that potential as we've talked about before now only because of what we seen with the with the sticky stop. You know what his what his record has been since then and a what we might see if if if shifts are outlawed I would think that would have a big bump and what joy can do and when you combine that with everything else that he does defensively run on the basis You know He's got a lot of potential to be really good player. So and i think i think that fans still believe. There's at mark to share a trait out there that you're gonna make an and i frankly just don't believe in that kind of thing anymore. I think that's all from the past. I don't think anybody's made that kind of trade recently unless it let's fernando totti's junior is the closest thing i can think of to that kind of deal. Yeah and that was you know. It wasn't even a high profile a really terribly high profile. deal I feel like the market. Very much is a buyer's market And has been for the last couple of years Maybe because you've got control of gallow you'd have control of gallow for another year after this year And maybe there is the thought that hey as early as next year maybe shifts could be outlawed that gala would see a big jump I just i feel like we keep trying to compare joey gallo to conventional numbers for elite players. And i think that what has changed is that what now defines elite is not the same as it once was and sure you would like to see him have a higher batting average. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities. Think this guy could go from say two thirty five two to sixty in the course of a season and if he does then he's an mvp candidate because job. Ep is going to be well over. Four hundred and a slugging percentage is going to be well over five hundred And then you've you pair that with really good base running. He's not gonna steal kind of basis but he's a very good base runner and he's faster than people believe and he's he's the best he's as good a right field defender as there is in major league baseball. Certainly right now the best in the american league. So you factor that stuff in and you've got you've got a very valuable player. I think the biggest strike on gallo for me still is this. The and it's it's hard to define kevin but i think the eyeball test aren't gallo. Still says look when the game is on the line he still. It still feels like he's an easier out to retire than maybe he should be. And i think the staff that i look at about the third time through facing pitcher. His numbers actually go down Could those things improve. Yeah i think those things did improve and if they do then again i mean this guy goes to the next level and the question here i think is if you let joey gallo go At the end of all this he's potentially a three hundred million dollar player on the free agent market. If you sign a now and you you you give him say one. Hundred fifty million dollars. Maybe you are overpaying. But that's a wide variety in terms of value to potentially let go And that's my big concern is it'd be my concern as well. And and of course we know on the dallas garcia. He's under contract very minimal terms for the rangers for five years so that whatever happens with him he ends up being a star he ends up being danny santana You know they're not out any money for that And it didn't cost me anything to acquire this is. This is a win win situation for the rangers. Whatever happens with a dose at this point Certainly kyle gibson a guy that And i don't know if we've ever talked about this not that it really matters that much but But you know besides a really good pitcher. He's really good guy I wished i could spend some time actually talking to him other than just on a zoom But you know just seems to be such an upbeat really nice guy really good teammates and then of course that's what everybody is saying. In judging by joey's comments about adults is the same way Everybody joey saying that he was as happy that adult that it always made it was that he made it you because people like him so much and i guess this is one of the unfortunate sides of what everything that's going on now is that you know we're not getting to know these guys as well. Certainly you know them a lot better than i do but It i think those are kind of factors going forward. You like having these kind of guys in your clubhouse you like having guys that that that get along with the other players well at are that are good mentors and certainly in a pitch and staff it. Isn't you know the whole idea of the rangers at this point going forward was that not that the the rotation would be fronted by the guys that are coming up from their system. They'd be fronted by guys they'd sign sinus free agents right and so while you have one of those right now and and obviously you've only got him for next year this year next year but i would certainly think that he would be amenable to a contract at this point and i think that there's Even without the contract talk. I think there is. There is a a conundrum there to to to the d you kind of described on this is as we've mentioned this has been a buyer's market the last few years So don't expect that you're gonna trade kyle gibson and get somebody's top prospect. So that said you've got you've got a picture here who has contributed with with really strong performance but has also contributed embodying to the idea of. I need to help. These young pitchers grow whether that's through performance whether that's being available to talk whether that is through simply Just being an ally and then you factor in also that. Hey this team wants to make a jump next year. They may not jump into contention but they need to take a step forward on the field. This is going to be their fifth consecutive losing season. The longest stretch of losing seasons in rangers history. They need to show some improvement. And a guy. Like kyle gibson in the middle of that rotation or in the top half of that rotation gives them innings gives them some stability In the salary is only seven and a half million dollars. It's not like they've got a lot of numbers on the books. It's not like they have to dump the salary to To really get their payroll down. There's not a lot of reason. Betrayed kyle gibson unless you feel like you get real value for him. And i still feel like it's going to be hard to obtain that in this trade market. Yeah i think so too it just hard for me to give up What seems to be unknown quantity for something that you just have no idea about all right. Speaking of which we have no idea about Let's look at the the the mlb draft that's coming up this weekend And the rangers of course with the second pick been las speculation about what that would be. I know that early on. I was all over. Kumar rocker I think that the conventional wisdom says that's not such a good idea even my wisdom says it doesn't look like such a good idea with the second pick anymore. I gotta tell you i am. If he's available. I am now jack lighter guy with the second pick. Yeah i you know. I think the argument would still takes place inside. The rangers for an office is is is gonna come down to what's the potential best value in terms of long-term long-term commodity And the three shortstops. That's always going to be look. If you get a franchise caliber shortstop that's always going to be more valuable than a number than even top of the rotation catcher. The wildcard is is. Henry davis the catcher from louisville. Because as we've talked about. And as i've written i think the catching position is going to change. Pretty dramatically with some rule changes over the next couple of years So all those all those conversations have to be had. I i'm with you. I've been a vanderbilt pitching fan Really from day one. I think that rocker is probably fatigued. And maybe a little bit hurt this year In i think over time that's gonna come back to be to be shown That he'll be he'll be just what people predicted he would be But certainly lighter has outpitched him this year. If you go with either of those vanderbilt pitchers. I i've gotta tell you that from my perspective. I think you're strengthening strengthen this organization right now and you're to have somebody who can move quickly and help the steam. And i think either one of those guys is going to be a long term contributor. Will it be the best potential player in the draft. Don't know that. I can make that call but i. I know that. I need to get a guy who's going to contribute long-term and i feel comfortable with both of those guys in the rangers. Don't have a great record in a draft. We all know that even going back further than The john daniels years But they do ask. Success with college pitchers that they take in high. You know kevin brown. Bobby witt's those were guys that That did some good things. I just feel like if you don't take. And i know that you know the feeling. Is that those shortstops are really good But one is not a dominant player. That's the problem with this draft. There is not a player that everybody says. Wow this is clearly the number one. Pick of this draft One of these guys may turn out to be that. I just feel like with as much trouble as the rangers have had finding a pitcher in the draft. If jack ladder ends up being that guy or kumar rocker ends up being a guy that who's like that and they don't take him. I think they will never hear the end of it so so that that's going to do it for our rangers Segment of the podcast We're also going to talk about today. a couple of things and our little Potpourri segment here. You know we were off last week and we didn't really talk about the confirmation of the fact that both jason kidd was returning To be the head coach of the mavericks and that nico harrison and executive with nike would be the new general manager. You know one of the things that the mavericks lost With the dismissal. Of donnie nelson Whatever else you think about him. He was a terrific Connection to players in europe There wasn't anybody isn't anybody in. The nba. Has more connections in europe than donnie does His right hand man was was fired in january over pro sexual harassment and assault allegations. That were made against him last year. And now donna has gone as well. Those two things don't have anything to do with each other The the issue that. Donnie had with mark cuban was over the presence of bob bulgara's and the rise of the former professional gambler or he may still be a professional game for all and the organization so So now what the mavericks are going to have to rely on with. Nego harrison is that they do a better job a in the draft and be signing free agents. This has been the The big black mark against mark you. And i think probably a little unfairly us. You know if you're if you're not on one of the coast it's hard to attract big-name free agents So we'll see though. What nico harrison does you know. We saw some speculation last week. That the The mavericks would be among Two or three teams. That were be chasing kawhi leonard And i know you would ask. Why would kawhi leonard. Leave the clippers. Well co is a little different He's he's a kind of The kind of who marches to his own drummer. So we'll see what he does. Do you think evan. That's We should be judging nico harrison now. By what the mavericks do and free agency this summer. It sounds like the go ahead and take a drake before you talk though ever go right ahead poking on something kevin. It sounds like you joking but don't let that stop you now. Well stop talking about my writing. Okay i. It sounds like that. Basically what the mavericks have done is put together a nice recruiting team. And that's what that's the way. They're looking at the coach. General manager's position They have failed on on on luring the big time free agents that they wanted to ever since they Ever since they won the nba championship. You know that should have been should have been a springboard into The potential of an era of dominance. And it really wasn't. It was kind of the end of canada the the beginning of the end. So it's hard for me to grasp exactly what it is an nba general manager. Does these days because so much power. It seems just rest with the players players often dictate. Who the coaches the coach As you said it's about building relationships and making it a desirable. Place the play and i think the general manager in the general manager roles into that the biggest difference i think is that you know. Donnie nelson was a big time scouting guy and they've done a great job on scouting. They've done a great job on international scouting and i'll be interested to see how this impacts that. Yeah this'll be interesting Going forward i. I'm not gonna say that nico harrison's a failure if they don't come up with something this summer for for one thing they don't have a lot of money available to them. They can't give out a max contract now if if they don't resign. Tim hardaway perks of all that that would be an issue. They don't resign tim hardaway. Yeah then they're gonna have about twenty nine million Available to them I i i think that would probably be a mistake. Not to signed tim hardaway. Although he is coveted by miami and he has indicated he might be amenable to that kind of thing So we'll see where he goes from that standpoint but If they if they reassigned tim than are only going to have about nine million laugh. Probably and i don't know what you do with that you'd have to make a trade at that point you'd have to do a sign and trade with somebody probably And that would probably include someone like kristaps porzingis. Who's under a max contract. I don't i don't know that anybody's gonna take kristaps porzingis right now and give you a superstar in return and i guess you know the trouble that i have is. It does seem like you know so much would of how nico will be judged is what immediate impact does he have on the organization and to me it runs kind of it's diametrically opposed to how i would view a general manager. I view general manager as as long term. And i think everything in the nba. Right now is what can you do for me immediately and can you. Can you make a a championship team basically overnight if you can't then it's on to the next guy well and that's especially true though when you have a superstar point guard and you don't wanna be wasting those years in your potential of becoming a championship team When you you got a guy like luca danni rich who just now lifted slovenia to its first Olympics berth ever So congratulations to look for that Did a great job. I'm not really surprised that that happened So you know it's interesting. How ethnic kevin. I just i just want to go back to. I want to go back to this. I just when luca was on. When luca played will the mavericks were basically almost unbeatable team. The you feel like there are enough solutions available to the mavericks this year to make them a championship team. Because they've got they've clearly got to be more than just luke an-and chick in the in the don jets. Well if you get yeah thank you. That's very nice If you get it presents comes back and plays like zinc is supposed to play. Then yeah sure you know that's If look if lucas number one and kp is number. Two and tim hardaway has number three. Then that's very nice that sets up very nicely right there then. There's a then at this. You know you would hope that. Maybe josh green you know the first round pick from this last year takes a nice step up and if he does the ad in that you know jalen brunson did not play well in the plan did not play well against the clippers at all. Here's a guy that was who's been very effective for for the mavericks. And and the clippers are neutralized him. Frankly he just he was. He was not so yeah. I think there's a there's enough there presume steps steps up but it doesn't take a step up here and play like he's supposed to no i don't think they have enough. And that's why you know. The one thing that mark is good at is at figuring out a way to make people take a contract. You know that you know they got you know Sacramento take harrison barnes contract. I didn't think was possible. They could dump that now as it turns out harrison has made himself into a pretty nice player but they he is pretty good at figuring out ways to get rid of contracts and manipulating roster and enabling them to free up some money places. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to do that. Frankly but we'll see what they can do. I want to cover a couple of other areas here before we get out of here. We want to talk about A couple of things one of them. the fact that Carter high schools sha carry. Richardson was found that. She tested positive for marijuana at the olympic trials. Her times are in her first place. Time was thrown out She was given a month long suspension that month. Long suspension really. It was not an issue that much because The track and field portion of the the olympics in tokyo don't start until after her suspension is over. The problem is is that they threw out her times and so under the way that the. Us team is selected. It's not just a we like these people. We're gonna take this one on this one and this one. It's all judged by your times at the trials so hurt or times her out so she will not be running the hundred meters At the at the tokyo olympics. Now it's still possible that she could run on the four by one. Hundred relay And frankly i think that that that probably not only will have them but adds to happen at this point the groundswell of public support for her and this particular issue I wrote about this last week. you know i. I thought she handed all very well. She didn't say hey. You know woe is me. I got screwed on this deal. She said you know. I just found out my mother had died. I didn't handle all that well I knew what i was doing when i did it. i accept the consequences of that and i'm not asking anybody to feel sorry for me or anything. Which is the perfect response to something that she did raw. She had done wrong And i think because of that that will help her case on the four by one hundred frankly I think that they will be more amenable to to say all right. We're gonna let you run in this because we don't We can we can do that. We had that kind of latitude. So i think that could happen But i also think that the that the rules are rules right. We get that but this world is wrong and it's wrong. By the way water applies the rule. There are three three areas in which wada says you had to that. These drug issues have to affect impact two of these three areas. Number one is. Is this a health risk for you. Well you know we'd is not really a health risk if you're smoking a lot. It's like smoking cigarettes. Yeah it's bad for your lungs but it's it's not doing anything for you against you. I don't think that you're talking about long term health risks there. I think you're talking about health or you're talking about short term yet. Yeah i'm talking about gang. You're yeah you're talking about something as a immediate impact on your body number one. So that's now number two. Is this a performance enhancer. All right. i'm thinking that. Unless i a reason why my grass would be in a performance. Enhancer for you. It might be a performance. Degrade her for you. I would think that if this was the nathan's hot dog eating contest. Smoking a lot of weed. Trotter would probably be a performance. Enhancer could gotta relax you a little bit kinda get everything going if it was a doritos eating contest. Probably that's for sure sure he knows. Yeah yeah i. I've never heard of pot is a as a performance of hanser In any way shape or form. It's it's supposed to be a chill enhancer if it was a performance enhancer. Maybe i'd go out and find my local pot dealer. Yeah the one thing that i in my research limited research that i i've seen about it said that yeah sometimes in training it can help you bounce back the next day you know with this. We're not talking about training issues. Where we're we're talking about if you smoke a joint before you went and ran into race. Would you run faster. No you would not not right that and let me just say this if if if this is this big deal. Okay to the. And i'm not even gonna get into all the doping associations here but if this was this big a deal then don't run. The olympic try the the olympic qualifying track meets in a state where weed is legal. She wasn't doing anything illegal in the state of oregon at that point in time. So this is the dichotomy and the the issue that we've got a in the in the states now is that it's it's legal in eighteen states and it's decriminalized in a number of others in so in that regard. I don't understand how this can be. How how this can be a disqualifying method. Now go to rule number. Three number three is this. Does it violate the spirit of sports. Now that's a nice broad umbrella. Isn't that the spirit of sports I'm not even sure there is such thing as a spirit of sports anymore. I it's a sports is all about making money And that's and that is. The spirit of sports is a big dollar sign. So that's a that's a ridiculous thing to bring up that just some way for you to say yeah. We got one of the other two. We needed one more for sure. We'll say it's the spirit of sports. You know i mean. I think the spirit of the sport element comes into this. There was a long period of time where we viewed the olympics. Right is some kind of pure athletic competition and that it was pure bodies in amateurs and all this it is not it is. It is a money making opportunity just like you said it is a commercial it is a commercial event. And if that's the case then we need to rewrite these rules as to what violates the spirit of the sport is it if it's cheating is cheating but there's no way that somebody's smoking. A joint could be considered violating the rules or the spirit of sport. And i think it's it's just silly at this point in time that this has become you know such a big story should have done it. No because the rules that are in place. Say she shouldn't have. But i don't know what my coping mechanisms would be in that situation and clearly. She didn't feel like she had somebody she could go to. Who could offer her a better solution. and that just comes down to again so many times people are just left on their own to deal with whether it's grief tragedy anything like that. They have to search out and find what works for that. No question about that so it anyway. it was. It was a sad thing to see habits She was a great story We hope that she's still gets to go to the olympics. And running the four by one hundred. I think that'd be terrific And i think that's probably what is going to happen here. But we'll we'll we'll say i would not ever say that That people are running the usoc running. The olympics are doing anything associated with logic. So we'll We'll reserve judgment on that one last thing before we get out of here you know name. Image and likeness came up Last week and So that's been Approved for players. Athletes men women. And we've seen all kinds of things here everybody's gonna get a little bit of the action now. So evan You and i want to sign up for this In i l And we're looking for a sponsor. I'm thinking just looking at the two of us mr clean would be really good as a sponsor for for us Not that i mean just from the neck up we got that. Look you know not really from the neck down so much but neck up. We'd have to shave our old man. Go t's kevin. Well i'd be willing to do that for a little cash. I'm willing to do anything for a little cash. You know you. You tell me that you're gonna give me money for that. I'm all in. You know. And i think even more so my lovely wife is all in for that you know she would. She would tell me. If i gotta put you know something across the top of my head advertising space up here. She'd be offer that to whatever whatever brings in a little dough. So you your your choice would be mister clean. Well just off the top of my head so you think you're off the top of your head now. I think you have to consider a few things. Okay one is the money and let's face facts at the money that we're both going to give is going to be very minimal okay. Number two is the product like our salary. Exactly is the product that you will receive as part of this endorsement. I don't need mr clean. What i need is i need pizza in this house. So i since i already have a name image and lightness so to speak pizza at county roseau. I will sign her for the for the pizza program. And i don't care if they give me money. Just feed me. yeah. I forgot about that. We i've been trying to put that out of my mayor that that that large cut out figure of you bigger than life. Size actually That's that's very disturbing. I have a few times. I've awakened in the middle of the night screaming at the at the mirror. Image of that. Just the photo shop where they did. It made me very much more slim. And i think gina is looking to replace me with that car which would be really good idea. I think this has the same personality. Yeah absolutely all right. That's going to do it for our podcast this week. We appreciate you coming in and listening for this week and be sure to come back in two weeks. We're going to be off next week Just a boondoggle ear. Nobody ever works. 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He is not jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I think rick either knows he has options or knows that that he has a job lined up. Which explains why i've been at wbz. Cumulus radio have a pair shoes. I don't have something jump to their sally. Beside the point the point the why wide open right now. Yeah the nba it the room areas milwaukee which is still in the plowed boston and i keep going to back if the mavericks beat the clippers. We're not having this conversation. I dunno i. it's just it's turned a mess all of a sudden and some people are pointing a finger at lucre dot. It's saying that the relationship between and rick carlisle wasn't that great and you can watch a game and how they will go back and forth and luca for for for all of his athletic greatness. He is a little bit of a baby. Still at this point yet. A still a young guy just finished his third year so he he he will get better going down the road. I did like what Tony kornheiser on. Pti their show on espn had to say when the news was raking yesterday. This is a starter. We're carlisle is out. as head. Coach of the dallas mavericks. Carlyle says it was solely his decision to leave the team after thirteen seasons nine trips to the playoffs in one title. He had two years left on his deal. He says he looks forward to his next coaching challenge solely his decision win. The decision was made to fire. Donnie nelson. right that's where we work. kyle rick carlisle. I think and we haven't heard from immediately released a statement said. I'm out here in phone calls for his next job. Haven't heard anything from marquette. Either right no he Cuban needs to step up and say all right. I know there's a lot of talk going on and most of it's wrong. And here's what went down now. Yeah and we've talked this story that amy mentioned the athletic about this guy. Bob vulgarities right. Who's a number cruncher. And all of a sudden he's got more say than some wanting to have and it's not set well with nelson and maybe with carlisle so two main pieces of your franchise are gone to. Who do you think it'll be the new head coach. Have no idea. But wouldn't you wanna coach luka doncic and makes your job pretty easy. You have a superstar talent brought is. They've got to find him another person. And you're going to go. What about stop porzingas. You gotta get a general manager. I i would think before you before you hire a decent coach and we all know how this works you. You want to work for that. Gm you wanna work for that coach. But if you don't feel comfortable you're on. I'm not going there. I don't want to be part of that. But a mess. that madness. for instance downstairs at the ticket say it's it's time for carlisle to go anyway. I just all i know is the longest tenured coach in this town right now. Is chris woodward. The manager of the ranger was about three years and three years on the job and they're the worst team in town. They know where to go but up for sports fans in dfw. All right coca cola heineken. Spent i don't know millions of dollars probably sponsoring this big event this twenty twenty this euro twenty twenty Soccer tournament of course a huge thing. Yeah yeah but Both portuguese forward. Cristiano renaldo and french midfielder. Paul pogba. are they snubbed. Coca-cola and heineken nathalie bottles from the sponsors away from themselves during separate press conferences. Right this putting one of them even held up a bottle of water instead instead. Agua later pogba. Who's a muslim. I don't know what that has to do with the story. Removed a bottle of heineken beer from conference muslims. Don't drink alcohol. So i guess he probably had more of a more of a reason to do that but still look. They're just sponsoring the tournament the the sport that pays you more money. I think rinaldo is making more money than anybody else in professional sports in the world. He was said he was trying to set a positive example for young fans and showing his disdain for sugary drinks. Okay you can show your disdain by just ignoring it. It's just a bottle sitting on the desk in front of you. Just leave it alone. No one no one said you had to drink it these some of these professional athletes. Not just in this country.

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06/16/2021 - HOUR 3 - Kevin Durant, Stephen Jackson & Rich Klieman

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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06/16/2021 - HOUR 3 - Kevin Durant, Stephen Jackson & Rich Klieman

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Two days after a story breaks with multiple leaks inside the mavericks organization. The guy leaking the story with probably donnie nelson does mark cuban. Just said zia am i. Am i not thinking that it's not. It's not far off because the article was essentially. Everybody was mad because this guy this former sports gambler who's in analytics gotten very close with mark. And it's all the only person mark listens to so we kept saying there's envy in this organization. Multiple people are leaking so two days later the gm gets dropped by the way what that tells you is. Mark could have waited a long time to do that. Mark decided do it now marks messaging to all of us is. That was the leak. Well the story did also say that. Luka was having some issues with several members of the front office if i recall so yeah if you what's happening in the nba cranky. This is so stan van gundy fire. Gandhi brooks fireworks. Somebody else dinelson. Donnie nelson just got fired and we well and then of course all the injury news and then there's a chris paul. Paul is out indefinitely. Protocol covert now. He's apparently jalen rose has reported he is vaccinated. So if you're vaccinated you get a comeback sooner only if you're exposed if you're positive you after probably still do the full two week. Oh boy that blocked the whole because it doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not if you if you're positive like the purpose of the vaccination is obviously to protect you from becoming positive and if you do become positive that you won't be sick you won't be as sick but if you're if you're positive which we don't know but if he is positive he would have to be out for two weeks. Stephen jacqueline leonard. Yeah stephen jackson joins us in about fifty minutes. Rich climbing k d's manager will be joining us and you know there. There are a lot of people speaking of the bucks on the net. A lot of people these days that call them experts. You see him on. Cnn msnbc nominee expert. But after last night's performance kevin durant is very deserving of that title in offensive basketball. That's what an expert looks like. He can he can fade. he can hit threes. he can drive. he can finish. He can slash. He is a complete offensive machine. Do you know how exhausting it is to play forty eight minutes of an nba game. How exhausting that is. That's a nine thousand calorie burn it. It's not like katie's got extra pudding. He's a skinny great player ever. He plays an entire game. Forty nine minutes. Seventeen rebounds. ten assists has to defend. That was an all time performance. In what just remarkable last five seasons in which he's been healthy at the end of it he has been the best offensive player on the best team so this is not a surprise and that game. I mean if you really think about it. Now that lebron's older and his out there really is no competition for the best player because this has always been a seventy five twenty five offense over defense league. Janas can't shoot kyri has struggled with injuries. Dame's a small player. Lucas to young. Ad can't stay healthy. Embiid got injuries. James harden has no playoff credibility colli. He's hurt again kind of a question. Mark this is now lebron's out lebron's has been sort of the roadblock now that he's out this is kevin's league it should be kevin's leak the last five seasons in which he's been healthy at the end he's been like the best player on the best team and it was really funny watching this game last night is did you notice how emotional durant was and steve. Nash was at the end of that game. Like kevin's not on the floor. He'll be frustrated time to time but he's not. He's not a fist pumper. That's not really his thing right. he's stoic sometimes. Did you see how emotional he was. Because i think kevin knows last night's win. They're in the finals. I don't care about philadelphia. i don't care about atlanta. I don't care about the bucks. I think kevin new i gotta buy time tonight. Kyri will come back eventually. It's probably the next series and harden was obviously going to be rusty. He was that first quarter. It was like has james ever played basketball. I think kevin new. Can i buy us a night. That's it. I just gotta get us a night. If i can get us through this same way. I look at the football season when join. I go to football season. You can't take a day off for five months. And i always look at thanksgiving if i can get the thanksgiving. I'm not sick. i'm ready to go. I can see that the next monday. I show up after thanksgiving. I can see light at the end of the tunnel. I can see christmas vacation. I thought kevin durant at the end of that game. he knew. Okay if i can get past tonight hardens not going to be really good. He's not gonna be one hundred percent. He's not going to have as timing. he's not going to be able to really defend any got him through it. I mean that. That's what an offensive expert. Looks like to be that effortless officiant in the biggest game of the year against us supposedly great defensive team there again. What's amazing about great players. And i and i know we talk about him nonstop. But i've said this multiple times. does everybody understand. How much greater like peyton. Manning brady kobe bryant michael jordan durant art lebron thing about this every time kevin durant in his entire career after maybe his rookie season goes into a game. The whole game plan is stop that guy and nobody can i mean. That's that's what greatness. Is kobe for most of his career. We stopped koby tonight. You looked at film kobe. Nobody was sitting around breaking down film. On derek fisher or brian shaw. When you really think about how great peyton manning was he got. Everybody's best shot like defensive. I've talked to defensive coordinator. Oh yeah peyton manning week it's payton. It's tom brady week where you don't want to be humiliated. Like milwaukee does not want to be humiliated when they play. Kevin durant hardens. Not one hundred percent kyrie's playing milwaukee this great defensive team new. Just stop kevin stop him. They didn't there was even a speed. Bob i mean what you watch last night is the jordan. Sixty three points against the celtics. He lost a playoff game. Is everybody knew michael. You gotta stop. Michael weaken web. Nobody could stop michael. That's why when we say when people come up to me and goes you guys talk stars too much. I'm like do you understand how much better and chris middleton is a good player. He is a nineteen point a game. Nba do you understand how great the truly grates are chris. Middleton's not getting doubles. And he's given your nineteen. Kevin durant the whole focus of milwaukee last night. The coaching staff the players. And that's what you up. I don't wanna hear about ufo experts. I'm done with ufo experts. That is an expert in offense. And steve dash afterwards in awe historic historic performance. Maybe he played the entire game. He barely missed. You know we know he's capable of nights like this but to do it tonight. You know we lose by. James obviously is soldiering through is ailments down bodies were wounded and for him to have the toughness mentality. that's what makes him one of the all time greats. And so this is a performance that signature for for kevin and it was beautiful to watch also coli leonard out indefinitely for the utah for the clippers. So the utah jazz. Now are favored by seven points tonight. Utah will take a three two series lead with a win tonight. It would be shocking if the best home team in the nba. Lost to a clippers team. That could not beat the jazz in utah with coalisland. The best pure player overall talent in the series. So the concern for the clippers is kawhi leonard acl tear. That's the concern. He will miss game. Five according to reports colli has told teammates. Expect me to be out potentially for a while. So that's your story there. does it change. What the clippers. Look like in the next couple years you know. We don't know. I do think it's an opportunity for paul george to seize the moment play. Well even if they lose. If paul george plays well katie well plays well. Plays harrowingly gives you twenty eight pretty efficient. Then steve bomber can look at that and say you know what that's a guy. I want to go to the well with and coli. But if kawhi leonard departure means paul george is front and center and he really struggles. Don't be surprised if this changes the all entire organization going forward. Stephen jackson will join us next his thoughts. He knows he's been traded. He's moved around this league. He knows these big decisions. You know the playoffs. The intensity gets ramped up. I mean we've had two coaches fired today. Donnie nelson mavs. Gm just got running dallas. Meaning you know. mark cuban. There was a story ripping the mavericks. Lots of leaks. Mark cuban going public and getting rid of donnie nelson tells you it to me. This won't be tolerated. And that was the guy that leaked it. What it tells you when you get all this intensity quick decisions. Punitive decisions are clearly made wolf in shepard. I'm wearing a pair of my wolf and shepherds. Today is the dress shoe and worn by athletes. in fact i was watching the box nets game last night when it was over and they were interviewing durant i could seat my my wife pointed it out. She said somebody over there is wearing wolf and shepherds. Yes they were. it's their crossover. A founders of former track athlete and designer brought athletic shoe innovation and dress. Shoes invented a crossover. It's business meets athletic shoe. You get the full grain. 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That's all i'm going to say right there that is a nice looking blitz so nobody has better than you always tell you that. Thank you so stephen. You've played with co. I and chris paul and blake griffin tobias harris. You've had doc rivers popovich. Tyron lou and boone holzer as coaches. So you've been around this league. You know it so milwaukee and the nets in that series last night. I'm not a coach. I'm not saying. I am and i know durant going to get his. They didn't double him that entrapment. Half court get the ball out of his hands. You know booth holzer. He was part of that spurs system. Where you a little surprised. In fact i never put on him. The best defender in the league or you a little surprised by milwaukee's defensive game plan against kevin shock mortar. Surprised like you say coast on the pop pop and don nelson with two best coaches ever. I got a chance to play for. They will great at making adjustments though a great Taking advantage of mismatches and bud and do that at all. He didn't he didn't go james harden with a bad leg and all last night and and they didn't make the adjustment they needed to make and that's why they lost the game. We all know kevin covered around. It's hard to stop. You just gotta make it difficult form but let them see one on one match ups. He's gonna shoot over any and everybody in the league and but you have to take that take that challenge or brook lopez and And it's not the postal guys when when they when they get these switches they did not take advantage of none of the mismatch last night. And that's why lost that game. You know it's interesting ben. Simmons didn't take a shot in the fourth quarter. And and i would say bend the want to go to the free. Throw line last night. Stephen on a couple of occasions look like he didn't want to go to the free throw line. He's doing a fall away. And you know these are great athletes and you would think you guys are all confident. But i'm watching the honest late in games. And i'm thinking he he's doing follow ways would james harden he literally doesn't want to initiate contract contact and i'm thinking to myself all year years of the nba. I th i would think all you guys walk on the floor and think you can beat the world but did you ever play with guys whose confidence wavered game to game. Quarter to quarter are. Yeah you got. You got some guys competent. You like i said earlier you got some guys that bounce shooters sports analysts consider the best some of the best shooters in the league when it come playoff time and in big moments they can't get shots and that's just what it is man. You gotta take challenges. And then he's shooting forty percent from the line. I wouldn't wanna go to the line. Should shooting forty percent. But that's one reason why i said the two years you want. Mvp it was never the best player in the world. You can't be the best in the world shooting airbus from the line i give. I give shack a pass shackles. Seven put three hundred seven pounds. He's not he's not considered a shooting. Guard jonah shoots threes and he brings them to i. Just i always say middleton was the most talented guy on that team because he can do it all. You can't really take nothing away from him. And i think milwaukee need start approaching their team. Like medicine is the go-to guy so he can cook 'cause he he's the guy that close the game for him. Well it has certainly much much better shooter note. No denying that you know it's funny. Everybody said well. The clippers have bad luck colleagues hurt and i would say this stephen. There's a reason somebody wants in america. Invented resumes so you know what you're getting in life. Right and anthony davis was hurt in new orleans now. He's hurt again. Kyrie irving was hurt in duke cleveland. Now he's hurt again the truth of the matter when i looked at coa. Leonard the my theory is. They knew what they were getting with. Paul george and kawhi but there the clippers and when you never had a star fall in love with you when to fall in love with you you just say come on. We'll deal with all the stuff. I kind of feel like you. When you sign kawai. Leonard stephen you know he's a little bit of a mystery right. Let me you played with him. He's a good guy but when you played with him did you just feel like he was a different cat. He's he's hard to read. He's eating that really outspoken. And sometimes he's the type of guy you don't know if he's not you know because he really gonna show too much emotion but injuries are part of the game. And you can't escape i think With a guy like hawaii with the talent greatest years. That's you gotta deal with. They a lot of guys arrested because of injury these days and more than ever it did. We took a. We took a pride trying to play. Eighty two games and i was playing so they're wrestling lot of gay guys now in the games are different but they have played a lot of basketball in the last year and a half. So it's kinda understandable. I talk to. Gary payton the glove last night and gary was a guy like you. He played hurt. He played eighty games. He didn't take time off and he said listen. Some of its condemned schedule. He said but the more powerful players become an all-sports. They tried to get less practice time. They don't lift as much. i mean. listen. They don't wanna be dominated by training staffs and coaching staff like they. They'll work out their own time. And gary said you know we used to be in the. We used to lift two and a half hours a day. And it makes you that's gary's takeaway was some of this is condensed schedule in some is as the players have gotten more powerful. You can't force them to go in and lift every day and some of these are the they're talented but they're more brutal. There aren't as strong. Is that fair. Criticism is just different. You know the the the air is different now you know. I played two years with a with a fractured toe. Just because i wanted to be there with my team. Just because i knew i could still get the job done and deal with their pain. But it's different strokes for different folks We took pride of being out there and we could walk. We could play. And i know some of these guys are the same way. But i think with the with the coaches Kind of catering to these guys and willing to give them games off. I think they're embracing it and we didn't have that. We'd have the when i was planning coach trying to give us a day. All we had to earn at and he and even when they gave days off he wanted to play. Sometimes you know i. i've seen planets alcopop wanted to give. Tim duncan games off. Tim was like. I'm here to play and i'm going to play and you got someplace like that that you can't say no to you know chris. Paul can wear out teammates but in phoenix and oklahoma city. They're mostly kids and they're willing to listen to him. You played with chris paul. Are you surprised by a success or do you believe because of his personality. He's probably best. Serve stephen plan with younger guys. Think he's i wouldn't say that i say he's he's he's best served with young guys that want to win. They got the same passionate him part his the dog everybody in the nba player. Chris part because you knew what you was getting at the point guard. You're getting a leader. You get somebody going fine. Which ain't going into the trenches which and every night. And i'm glad he's having assessment getting his just because he's been great all this time he just been a crazy situations. But i remember when i signed with indiana pacers and i was gone To open my to find my house in indiana and chris. Paul is at the airport with me at the same time and i gave him a ride to the hotel and we talked about one day planned together. You know i wasn't. I didn't get the good opportunity. When i was with clearance. You know. it's actually play with them but he somebody that all the players want to play with. Because he's the is. Oh school point guard and you need to run your team and when you have a great core young guys like having phoenix you need cap and you need a quarterback. Nobody's perfect and chris paul. You know i'm gonna take utah now to win the series without kawhi leonard or do you believe there still more athletic. They're still deeper. They've got a championship coach. And paul george will carry them. What do you believe today. It's kind of hard to say They haven't won a game on a roll week with with kuwa- so it's hard to see him. Winning without podge is definitely coming into his is starting to play the play offs that we know he could be. I think They're going to have to switch it up and ask them different dynamics. I still think they have the tupper team. The more physical team if they can boogie can come out and contribute if some of those other guys they continue tribute without kawhi. They still can get it done. Remember you can never count nobody out. I was a part of ac beat the best team in the league in the first row. So anything can happen. It's about how they approach the game and how they play. How bad they won't it by the way you got all those shoes behind you. Is there one pair of shoes. You really loyal to or did they just all blur together. It's hard to get into any pair. I'm still join brand. So i'll get a box on. Was every two months about twenty pairs so i really don't fall in love with him but the reason why. I'm not a sneaker head. I wear my shoes. I just collect them and put them up our all my shoes so they they all mean the same but i grew up not being able to afford them so to have them. Now is a blessing a blessing and i just appreciate getting them good for you. Part of the jordan brand. Stephen jackson love having you on fox sports. all right man hydrocare. Hello at mercedes g. Giving one hundred ten percent is impossible. It's mandatory check out their site. All they're beautiful cars and suv's and coupes m b usa dot com slash. Amg mercedes amg. Driving performance. joy. Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the third line news. How many sneakers. I have a running pair. They're bright green. So if i have to run late night or early you can see me on. Workout shoes sneakers none none. That's not true you have. I wear those. Oh sees those earning sneakers. Have they called those fancy shoes that switzerland one and got you know. Fancy ones yeah. I'll think of the name of them. I think you're talking about the. Oh sees that's the roger federer shoe a those. Ken is tennis shoes. I'm i was never a sneaker head. We couldn't afford him. I know we have to get you some. We have to get you some jays. I think i'm going to get you some jordan ones some jays but why wouldn't they would wear them. Would i. yeah win the show okay. The james harden and return to the nets last night after missing most of the series with a hamstring injury. He played forty six minutes. We only scored five points on one for ten shooting after the game. He said he just tried to go out there and do the best he could. He also hoped he gave his teammates some encouragement and life. I mean it was good to see him out there like obviously we knew he wasn't going to be one hundred percent or forty minute decoy. I mean there's some value absolutely and it definitely shows value phalle hit free throws katie unbelievable game. Obviously but kyrie irving was forced to miss the game due to a sprained ankle and steve. Nash said today he will also miss game six. I think we can at this point. Assume we're not going to see him in this series at least the nets are reportedly preparing for him to be out the rest of the series. So this this game last night to me was really just about katie showing how incredible he still at and the bucks showing that they are not willing to adapt enough it this. The nba playoffs all about adjusting. Forget the injuries. It's just game to game you've got to adjust and i just. I thought the bucks defensive game plan left me scratching my head. I just i would think i would trap. I would get the ball occasionally out of katie's hard and being out there as long as he was. Stephen just set it nixon earlier. Why are you going. Jim jackson earlier. Why are you not going at james harden attacking not one hundred percents like even if you know. There's certain things like you know. Katie is going to get his on a normal night. We'll he's on fire last night. So why not lean into whatever your own ability is on that on that side of the court and you know that that's hard and you know he's not one hundred percent appear golden goose. That's what it is go. I have pair those. Yeah i have do those candidates tennis shoes sneakers. Yeah all right. I got one pair of sneakers. I once so the nfl pa released their influence. Our hot list which ranks players with the most total engagements on social media. Engagement is important. You got the comments and the lakes and shares and such very important. Tom brady took the top spot. Boom he's followed by patrick. Mahomes russell. wilson. Jj watt and gronk in the top five and. They've all got kind of different things like brady est. Funny russell wilson's committed. Jj watt is a little funny gronk goofy beckham. there's a lot of ads on his social. He does a lot of that. he does. because he's broncos and spend as his salary lives off of his endorsements was brilliant on jayjay has like a lot of the motivational stuff to odell beckham into fashion. So as cam newton. They're six and seven. Do we know he does the tiktok and reels. there's a lot of different ways to engage. Yes i think that this this is actually to me. I know we're talking about how. Tom brady is aging. Which is obviously incredible. That he's at the top of this list which means he which he has like just recently really leaned into social media. But also with this list tells you is the. Nfl has embraced social media. Which for short amount of time they were resistant to put highlights on twitter and it was like a whole thing. They were not letting guys celebrate. Like leanings what everyone's doing. The younger audience likes consumes social. Me i do. I'm i'm mid fifties. Yeah i'm i'm on instagram. Every day. of course but you really want to lean into the new way flies is what's this is. This is what we don't do snapchat. But i'm big into instagram. Big into twitter and again i watch tiktok. I think it look silly but snapchat. i'm out on. i've never gonna snapchat person. are you snapchat. i have snapchat. i haven't used the last shot. Do lincoln if i don't have your phone number are not interested in talking to you. I don't need to have your business connections. I've got your phone number. That i care about your business and you and if i don't i'm not going to join lincoln you con- coward can pretty much get anyone's contact that you need to like probably on planet earth probably through my presentation network so tonight. We have two great crucial game. Fives both series tied at two games apiece. sixers host. The hawks according to fox bet they're favored by seven and then later the clippers will have to go to utah without kawhi leonard and the jazz are also favored by seven in that game. All take the jazz minus seven in the hawks plus seven. Seven is a of point for points for that they've been also atlanta's one of those teams where you can beat them and they have a flurry of three pointers late. The back door cover. There's certain teams like offensively gifted teams. You know you gotta be careful about betting against them. Because even if they get outplayed like atlanta's one of those teams that been burned by atlanta can get totally outplayed. Dallas has this ability. They keep it close because they score late when you go into a prevent defense absolutely. That's why seven is a lot of points for them. But with kawhi out indefinitely the jazzy could probably going to win easily. Tonight's the clippers are afraid. He's suffered an acl injury if you missed any of the flurry of mba news today. Chris paul's also out indefinitely and health and safety protocols announced they'll give the next update on his satis on saturday name. Now there's there's some talk out there. Tmz sports has that he is tested. Positive it's not been confirmed by many other people whose pole yes because he's reportedly vaccinated jalen rose cities vaccinated reportedly tested positive positive. Bill maher so you have to be out of the bill three out of the building even if you are vaccinated so we'll get an update on that dinelson. His out at the mavs salmon. Ghani is out. The pelicans and scott brooks is out at washington. Just wild day in the nba. Today the intensity of the playoffs he gets rubbing your face if you didn't make the playoffs and you're watching your rival in the play. Offs like the clippers now are in the playoffs. They beat dallas and seven. It gets rubbed in your face and you get reminded. We should be there story. Jobs and the huge dysfunction. Yeah so donnie. Nelson out of there. There's report that the mavs fired him before the article but a way it works when there's a big damaging article coming out the athletic they call you the day before. Would you like to comment on the article so sunday night. Mark cuban found out about the damaging article. That was going to run monday in the athletic and sunday night. Wack donny nelson's out so if you say well he got fired four. If you're gonna a damaging article somebody right to article on fox. They're going to call you the day before. Would you like to respond to this negative. Chris wouldn't if you have the sources in the building and we're gonna let him go. Wouldn't that have been in the article. Good point it's wire on tv expert joy the news. Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lying rich climbing kevin durant manager. What a night for him. 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Go tankless navien. Tankless water heaters fifteen year limited warranty rich climate kevin durant business partner co founder of thirty five ventures founded by kevin and. I still gotta be high what that performance was last night. You know it's interesting in life like unless you're a doctor or a lawyer where you need like a degree or accreditation. The answer usually if you're looking to hire somebody is just hire smart. And they'll figure it out and i'm watching the steve nash last night and everybody say he's got no experience. But i've known steve for awhile. Steve smart he's just figured it out. The criticism is going to coach. He's facing who's been coaching for. Twenty five years enrich climbing joins us live now. I want to start with that is that it was asking a lot of steve. Nash moved to the east coast. Kevin durant kyri. James harden blake griffin. It that's a lot. That's a lot for a veteran coach. And you've got kind of i and you see how it's working. How is kevin and steve's relationship how is it molded over the last five months. Yeah i mean to be honest with you over the last five months. I've really only seen what you've seen like. I think the sacred like locker room dynamic that they have i stay out of. I have my own relationship. Steve and i met steve obviously through kevin. They've had an incredible friendship. Prior to this. You know both on the court working together. When stevens a player when he was coach the warriors but also just in light of their real friends but the dynamic. I'm sure has changed to some level but you know i see what you see and for me. I think steve is doing an incredible job from the outside looking in it just temperament tavern alone when you have the circumstances they faces year without that kind of like level of leadership that he brought in the trenches in the wars that he's been through himself like i don't think that could be replicated that experience. He has obviously transitioned into coaching. You know it's interesting when kevin got hurt this year. How frustrating was it for him because the expectations are so grand there are so high and then he has to sit for over. A month was at tougher to the understand. It's good it's fine all be good. Yeah i mean definitely going to heal. And i'll be good. You know the thing that we always talk about as these things continue to happen might just in life like everything happened with everyone in our whole world the last year and a half is just how many of these fires we've been through you know like how many times he's having injury or a circumstance where it seems like everybody in the world turned on this things that have happened and we just get through. He gets through it. He's as mentally tough of an athlete. Is a person that you'll find. I think by. That's something that in the wrong way was never attributed but i think people are seeing now like this is someone that's just been through it and you know the sheer was frustrating. But he just keeps working. I think in any in any passenger like just keep going and keep doing the work that things will happen. And it's always philosophy. Listen when you play with two other stars like kyri in harden. You can't be too consumed with stats. Because they have to flourish to kevin's never been kevin's never really been a stat guide me. I've never. I've never thought about that. He just don't see him as a stat guy the guy that staring at his stuff stats all day it. How does he look at his role with the nets because you got three stars. Your coach is star. How does he view his role like really tactically. You know like he likes to play basketball very high level and likes to play the game at every particular side of the ball. Right like on defense and offense in in terms of being able to read screens everything that he does. He likes to master craftsman. When you're playing with two players that have also been cut from that cloth you know look at their stats note but the the stats happened. Yes because when great players play with each other this you see what happens right. But for kevin i think for him is really like playing at the highest level and like last night. There was almost kind of two reactions. Obviously there's this incredible like reality of the fact. They gotta still go play six walking when the championship last night but he could take a second understand that like from a forty eight minute body of work to be really proud of like playing ball level and i think that's always been the most you know it's interesting. I said yesterday that you know the cabinet. I am not sure if it's a criticism it's a reality. He's been impulsive sometimes in his life. I didn't love the golden state departure but whatever to his life it's not mine and he's flourishing but when when during season is your relationship is a business partner does kevin ever looked just kind of a rich. Give me five minutes here. I got to get something off my chest to the internalize stuff. Because he's when you're in. This pressurize world of kevin durant. You're on top of an industry. Do you ever see little pressures or does he just kind of internalize it handled himself I mean i think he's just like a human being. I mean i know that you want but like you know we have a real relationship like we're friends who were business partners. He's also has his space and there's some things we don't talk about but for the most part like you know. I think he probably goes through experiences. Similar things that all of us do in in their life it's obviously amplified and there are certain things like we just can't understand that they go through right but i think that there's nothing that he is thrown off by. There's nothing that he doesn't understand comes with the job he really loves. This chilean chose it and he's blessed. Mike feels that cry. And i think the excitement of last night for him. I said it's just like when you can play the game at that level and can enjoy the what comes of it like he really loves that. So you know. I think that like you would talk about your work with somebody. There's frustrations ups and downs throughout a season. But personally as a team. But i think all great ones all great. Ceo's all great athletes like how can you at that level continued to thrive for so long and be letting yourself get caught up in the ups and downs. What goes on especially in a social media age especially kevin durant right does he hold. Lebron james and kevin durant allowed this stuff on a daily level to have something they internalize. It couldn't be. They are part of it he. He looked happy last night and there was a moment at the end of that game when he made a play and he just turned and you could just see was so happy and you know what it felt like rich to me. Kevin was saying. Just get me through tonight. Hardens can get healthier. I'm gonna get kyri back. Like i thought he was. He was outwardly emotional playing he knew forget him he knew how big it was for the brooklyn nets. I felt that last night watching him. Did you mean men. That's what every brooklyn van every mba. Finish who want out of players had to rent felted and he understood it and he thrives in like man. That's that's what you train for to play for. But i do think. I mentioned as to whether it was him after the game to someone else i do. Think it's like a mainstream sports fan. There was dislike closing loot that everybody you know. Allow themselves to have last night. I think real basketball people don't even play into that. You know what it really is joined knows what it really is but like a sports fan that has just read what they read and is like. Yeah we'll kevin is incredible but he hasn't done. This has just caught up with that. Like i think everybody understands that like sometimes these games put some silly conversation like that to bed. It doesn't affect the series two games or one game possibly to the play. But i think that kind of conversation that whether it's relevant or not is a part of being in the nba last night it like we can put that to bed and fans needed to close that loop so he can stop talking about the old dot sets. Yeah hey great senior new york is flying. They're doing some construction behind you. You're out there and chelsea a beautiful cool part of the cool guy. A cool part of the country and It's great seeing you congratu. Price still along cloud nine from last night. I would imagine it. That's going to last a day at least for you it. All last day lasts a day. I'm enjoying and get ready for tomorrow's gain. I like talking about kevin but man come on. I can tell you everything i'm doing. Can i just talking about board room and all my fun. Denver's talk all right. We don't but i'll say it right. Now he's got a podcast it's called boardroom. Out of office. He's super smart guy. I don't how many managers do i bring on one his boardroom out bring managers. You're the only manager you're i know. But you're the manager. I bring on the whole world kevin durant. That's it by most managers know there. You go you're not. You're not dealing with the some local cable access show. Here's a big. Wanna talk about my business. That was the best you could say. All right rich kleiman boardroom. Out of the office. The podcast kevin durant manager smart guy. He's a good friend and kevin durant. Yeah that that that one last night is it is crazy. How exhausting. So i remember. Years ago talking to an nba player. He was a great college player. I don't wanna call him out great college player and he went in the nba and he was still a really good score but he admitted he's like you know in college to guard guys because you're not facing nba guys and he said when you have to in the nba. I'll get my points but you have to defend or you. Just give them all back up right like everybody in the nba. Now especially can score. Bruce bowen was a defensive player in the nba. He was a good offensive player in college. So the idea that kevin durant played forty eight minutes like i would totally understand if in the next game. Kevin was a little off. He didn't get to stay home now. He's gonna get a plane now. He's got to fly to the mid west. Now he's got. I mean it's like that performance would set most players back. Charles barkley said the other night. He goes old charleston. I want scored thirty six. When i was an old guy he goes. 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Hour 3: Landing Luka?

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Hour 3: Landing Luka?

"Jason jay williams the podcast bag forty new york city crunches on the pair right now. Limit pepper j. wilson presented by progressive insurance extra crispy all hell and presumed it is please what extra us be all flats of. Let's all talk. I mean going wings. I can't get a thigh gesture right wing. The thighs are different. Atlanta louisville wings louisville. He did you. What did you say wings. Man louis wheel have wings. This leader is out of the will had wings. Yesterday is the sixers could knew anything with him. The defense the sixers couldn't do anything with anybody of the hawks in the second half again. The bucket a bucket get a variety. Yeah he in atlanta now to this chick atlanta. Hey atlanta's it right now. Going home post game three to come to us by. Yes i do it all. I can really are you. Are you really. You have to make strap lou. Williams is that when he got traded from. The clippers of the hawks actually thought about retiring. He actually sat alcohol while saying. I don't know if. I wanna play and now look like he's one game away from the conference final post game last night. He said that he loved the way being around the younger guys. It made him feel rejuvenated that they've accepted him and they know like hey he's the og. Still thing. I didn't even realize he was his is all just didn't spin around for ever. They might as well. Yeah i exact fifteen or sixteen. He's played abe's had to the second time around plan for the hawks but he certainly calls atlanta home and even has his own as you mentioned wings named after being around in trae young and all those guys all the time i mean. That's a date pull respecting their name. Nobody gave the hawks other than the hawk bands like i work one retailer. Every single day talks about her own heart brands. Nobody really gave them a chance to be in this position up. Three two against the seventy six hundred certainly. Didn't they quietly finished the season. Twenty seven and eleven cook quietly. They shouldn't be up three to though though the seriously and i give them credit for the seventy sixers have collapsed in games. Four and five. Wow based on based on being by eighteen and twenty six you would think it would be over with serious series should be over but that was yesterday that game and then paul george performance was a cap on a day yesterday for the nba. That was just one new cycle after another one story after another one alert after the other whether it was coaching changes that were made in new orleans in washington whether it was the kawhi leonard injury and what that now means for the clippers is. He didn't play last night. Might not play the rest of the series. If not more. Chris paul now into the covert protocols for this you have him out and how much will that impact. The western conference finals is. The sons are waiting to see who they'll play so chris. Paul can't do anything right now. Right away from his team just sitting at home so it depends on how long the utah clipper series. Go if utah wins tomorrow night. They'll play again sunday next. Start until the following tuesday tuesday so that could be added but the clippers win. The clippers went tomorrow night the the then all of a sudden up on sunday and he could miss time the another another thing that happened yesterday. That was said yesterday in a bit of reporting that we talked about earlier. Show in j you able to confirm from what you know as well with something that marc spears senior. Nba writer for the undefeated was on the jump. And he said this about luka doncic now remember in one of the other things that happened. Yesterday was at donnie nelson. Who was the son of don nelson. The longtime the great coach. He's been the gm with dallas mavericks for twenty years twenty five years right and he's just suddenly in dallas unceremoniously just gone and apparently that is something that is not going to sit well with dallas biggest star no talks on two hundred one million dollar contract that he could sign and get that done. Not even talking about right now clue not happy. We'll see if there is a statement for him today as he is overseas. So we'll see if that happens book. Is i mean this is this guy's one of the faces of the nba could be the face of the nba in the near future and his dallas. Playing with fire here. You know as far as extension goes to go get that from close to it or whatever from wherever he winds up at the dallas though they thought it was no brainer. And now it's not like i was. I know i know. They thought he figured two weeks ago especially when he had the press ganey said well what do you think they asked him if he would sign like will tickets but now is a lot to think about. I was telling a friend of mine with the knicks. You should hire donnie. Nelson now does bring him. In pullman enrolled is just put them in the front office. They look going your plane jones. Checkers tamper hey. It can't be tampering. Sounds like tampa. They're really smart executive. We'd like to have our our front office. He's done great work. The report that came out by athletic really dug into the relationship that luca had with the code general managers how they refer to him in an article shadow the shadow. Gm vulgarity vulgar. And and how he was. A professional gambler gives great great context to his history and how he got. Put that position and the article made it sound like there were some issues that were happening there. With the way vulgarity. Communicated things to look at times. And we're luca belic the franchise was with that shadow. Gm writing so then with donnie nelson. Get him fired considering that luca did have a great relationship with him. Those are things that of just shifted undermined somebody yes sounds like it. Sounds like a house of cards scenarios. Happen over somewhere is going on there. They have put the porzingas scenario as well as people really well in the bubble with luca and this year they jacqueline could not connect on the court. And now there's a lot of people. I wonder how long he's going to be there. Can they find a better running mate for luca but you know we were talking about this during the break. And you know i'll ask you. I mean i. If let's say luca would go to a big market major made mark new york right it again hypothetical if the knicks somehow were able to to get here we go what would he would. He instantly the face. Italy see faces in the league to me. He would be one of because there's really until you are kobe. Lebron michael magic and bird championship caliber type shack. That's when you become face lee just because you're really good and you're an all star and you're in a big market you've got to win. They're not gonna they're not going to catapult you to be the guy until you get those rings. You just doesn't work like i don't know if it's different in the nfl. Delete doesn't catapult you to face you catapult yourself to be the facebook one of the ways you help yourself get. There is by winning a world championship but the league signs off on it indirectly median owning the media fans made in the league. It's all mental so if the league doesn't build off of it and they don't sign off on it when i say sign off on it that means build off of it nor it don't become the face of the league eighty eight say. Espn eight seven to nine. Three seven seven six question ago jay but yang nfl and nba so different. No but big. I know i disagree with you on this because i agree but think about it for a minute. You all the way back to larry imagine. They're the two individuals that took the eyeballs to television in the league built that they solicit built in the college game remember it relates shipbuilder college game but he came to the nba the nba's struggling and they said you know boom. They took those too stuck up to another level. Broadly and dr j. kinda of move. That thing around created this. Michael combs he wins championships. Michael becomes the face of their fading out a little bit now. Kobe combs kobe. Winning these championships alone shack is kind of now. Can i point something out pini in there for a little bit. I'd be out what you just and again this was. This was david stern's brilliant. And what does all of that. They all have one thing in common. Everybody you just named big markets yes yes big market and what has happened since then san antonio spurs right the small market like you started to see more of the small markets getting more attention new orleans tonio championships but nobody in san antonio championships was being pushed as the failure facing jaanus is a two time. Mvp and never never has been the face like you would think the mvp back to back you. You would be the face of the league right. But he never. He's not because he's not going to surpass lebron james right he lebron. James is the face of the wound. Guy that dana small market and became the face. Well he really didn't stay in slowly with the miami and one of those championships with back. Let me keep you know. Here's wanna differences. I think between football is definitely gotten their right but like would you. Guys disagree is basketball at the epicenter of the cultural experience as it relates. Sports i the way they can move the needle basketball players as opposed to football players. That's why i kind of disagree on influentials. Nfl the blessing from the league to support you as one of their all time greats and it's like it feels like the nba drafts off. Who the people tell them is the base of the league. Nba you meet. His promotion goes yes. Yeah when there's momentum behind you. Yeah then you i think. The league rides that momentum the league size. I don't know if the think the nfl starting to do that now. Yeah but the. Nfl's more about the quarterback. It's more about the she'll being the brand nfl shield players in be. I think players. Then i think the nba. Let's see my perspective isn't coming from the nfl. My perspective is coming from being around the nba for so many years in watching it and see how if a guy like daimler lease porton instantly gets catapulted out at a different time. Worry don't where he goes goes even though we know who he is because we're nba guys. There's a lot of people out here in the universe. That's like okay. We know dame is but they don't really know like they don't understand who he is. And i think for people to really dive into understanding it. He needs to be in. La crazy because dame's on every damn commercial but you see him all the time everywhere parts to well. Let's bring in nba player. Quinn richardson q. Rich align friend of the show. You know just based on what we were saying. I'm sure you've probably heard a little bit of that from your experience. You know again on you know around the league and your time. It's the small market. Big market thing is always been something that the nba started to downplay like everybody's equal everybody's the same but is it is it that way is playing in one market versus another. Is that different for every player that different for it to take a player who's already a star tournament to a megastar I i believe he can. I definitely believe. Can i mean dame is a great example of me. I mean like they will say. I mean on the on the endorsement and money side. He's as big as you could possibly get. I believe i mean. He's on all of the commercials. He's got Plenty of endorsements he's making top dollar from the nba. And i'm pretty sure from the shoe and thorson deals. But i mean i do feel that if he played in new york la he would be to the people he would be a much bigger figures he would be. He would be more known they would know more intimately about him. And i think he would just be More likely than more more more Put up on the On the superstars type pedestal if he was one of those cities because he got all his snap crackle pop waiting to he does now luka doncic. We've never really seen an like an international player. Get to that. I mean dirks close. Is i think we got to with somebody. That was just really beloved. But you'd still did. He really get to the megastar level. If you don't know basketball you still know. Dirk is could luca. Do that if he like. You know of course me me. I'm always trying to pull an angle. If wound up in a place. Like new york. I mean obviously if you went to new york or somewhere you could do that bad thing i think lucas doing just fine right. I think he's well on his way to light like like. He doesn't say if you win if he gets a championship. I mean i think you'd think about dark. That's when burke became his biggest when he beat the beep the he beat. Lebron won that championship and was the mvp of the finals that raised seventy put him in a different place. Historically i feel like i feel like luca. He's well on his way regardless of he lived the championship or not to being. One of those guys is like one of the guys the faces of the league. He's first team all already. And i mean he's he's he's gonna be and become. Mvp conversation literally probably every year and If he gets a chance to where you know dallas puts the team around him and he gets to make the playoff run and gets a chance to the finals or something like that. I think you'll really cement his position as one of those guys when you talk about a team. Let's let's role play here. You are doc rivers You're the head of one of the best teams in eastern conference. There four minutes left to go into game. The game is a tight game. Do you play. Ben simmons for those four minutes. Yes i absolutely do play in those four minutes. But i ben. Simmons has to understand how he needs to play. I don't i don't i don't i don't want a passive aggressive or nine nine nine attacking. He can't be afraid to be filed to be. You know once they start doing the the fallon hackensack putting them on a free throw. He has the those are those are mental block. I mean i feel like he has to come to understand that. I'm you make miss these free those but that can impact my aggressiveness. Because if he is when he does that that takes his total game away from because he's an attack mode and he's going to the basket aggressively and posting up again. But he's he's a problem but if he's going to be hesitant and kind of numbers that Going to get fired. And i had the free throw. You can see the difference in his game. He only made four field goals and then went four or fourteen from the foul line. Which was you any any of us who plays they will. We know what's going on in that players here right now. He doesn't even want to touch the ball because he knows they're coming two thousand and he eat a they take that long. I play with the white house when they used to do this to him all the time and that has we talk. I was in studio last. Nba tv immune three d. Then it's got we were talking about there. He played with say though that type of deal when when the team starts doing the hacker sek thing. And if you don't have if you don't have the ability to try and play through maneuver through it saps the team because you think about it. Every time i get the ball. Filing everybody goes walking down the court work waiting to be looking at him and he's looking scared and then he so like screwing up the whole rhythm you the team you guys are looking at like. We can't do nothing because they don't file them and then it's like you know he's missing all these different things. It just turns the whole game two more like a messed up situation and the rest of the players in it. They don't bet on the debt. With so i can't believe we're back at this point because this this topic dominate the conversation two years ago and i thought it went away if they lose to the hawks. Does it broach the conversation about kim. Ben simmons and joel embiid be on a championship team together. I believe they can they. I mean we've seen them and do think i go ahead clinton richardson i just i i when i look at it. I don't see you know like when you fairly are phillies. In the prime position they got of the two of the young elite stars in the league. Now in my opinion. It's billy's dive to figure that out and make that work. You don't try and get rid of talent because whoever whatever it's not it's not working for whatever reasons for me i i totally feel that ben simmons can be an all star in this league wild plans next to l. and be who could possibly be the mvp all well. I don't see that not. I don't see that being a proud to me. Say i i don't know i thought in the nba. The the the goal was to accumulate the most talent and then mess that time together and win championships and pains. Most talent usually win those championships. Now obviously you have to have a coach and and you know you know. Coaching staff and make fat work and makes everything go well together but in my opinion i haven't seen that those who can't work together. I've seen a lot of different things when they you know somebody heard people saying this. And that but i've seen run a going on good stretches together as a team where both of those dues driving forces in balling out for clinton richton former nba player co host of the knuckleheads podcast. And i'm talking about literally in la knuckleheads darius smiles. Know how many times. I had to have conversations on the side park with my young bucks man. We come up to rain all the contract up in the cold now for so being an ex clipper what did you make. Paul george's i guess you would call it epic performance. I loved it man. I was extremely happy for him. That you know the that he had it went when everybody was anticipating it and saying that he needs to have it and all those things. Because i feel like he you know he gets. He gets a a tougher. Look at some of the other guys for whatever. The reason is you know how that goes. Sometimes key and jay light. It just happens that way. I think he gets you know. Kinda like the ira of of of the of the the. The lightning arrives of criticism. For whatever reason. I i've always been a big fan of pg and his game and where he brings to the game. And i knew he was doing what he did last mile just glad that he got a chance to kind of get people off his back a little bit into this next game and see what happens but i mean he. I always believe that he's been totally capable of having that type of game and leading his team being a guy that he would last night. Not knowing what's going on with kawhi one hundred percent can clippers. Come out of here. Can they khanate get out of the west. I mean at this point. I think is is wide open. Man i when the lakers went out like to me. I was wanted to lose like okay. How healthy ad and lebron are are not until they get out. I'm picking them. That's just what i was to do. I was going with that until somebody actually put them out. And now that they're out is just like i feel like anything happen out west. I feel i phoenix. I feel like you tie these teams game. They they all have that chance. Because lebron is sitting on the sideline i mean. It's that being. The man been ten nine ten straight year to the final. So he was out. I was i was. I was going with him and now that he's got. I feel like the clippers. Even without kawhi right now they want last night they showed they could beat you time. Now they're going home. They got a chance to you. Know to put them out at home and their so. I mean i feel like is wide open and i feel like utah You know they got a lot of work to do to get back in this series but on the flip side of that standings waiting and and i feel like either the clippers can be next or go either way with with or without go. I think the clippers have a great chance to get to the finals this season. Kill janas after katie's epic performance over epic performances. What he signature performance really the other night for the nets after that game janas who barely guarded him said he's you know one of the best. The best player in the world like he really through a lot of flowers cope. And they know yeah. That's you know where i'm going and then low. Today's like yeah. I probably should guard him now. Honestly all that stuff. So tell me why. You're saying nope i know why but explain. I've talked about this yesterday. And i think is a dolly way. I can kind of wrap my mind around it. Because i look at jonathan's like the ultimate type predator he he strikes me he seems that way so the only thing that i could kind of make the connection to try to give them a pass on his because he's from overseas and he didn't grow up the way we grew up playing against people and he didn't maybe he doesn't know that mentality that i if i'm planning and she never about to tell you that you you the best or whatever. I don't know that that's blessedness to me. That's not. I don't. I don't care if i was playing against michael jeffrey jorde. You ain't about to hear me say in the post game and the series still is not over like if i was janas teammate. I be looking at him like what is wrong with you. There's serious and i'm not trying to be. I mean. I think that's just something that he doesn't know where he needs to know. And then the other side you said that you know the defend them no like you. In my opinion i don't. He's the best. I shouldn't have guard guard Jd he's a. He's similar in size athletic ability. He's the best option. It should be a no brainer unless you get in trouble. You garden k. d. spending measures. I think jay. That's different to me in this generation. I think you know you got a couple of guys that are take that initiative could see draymond or jae crowder somebody or talk wanting that match up in asking for it but i don't know how many of these other guys in the league on stand up in knowing the practice session film session when coaches telling them you know these matches their you know the generation we come from a coach could sit there at the beginning of the game. And just tell us we're going gonna start off dublin player exit. This meeting gums. Oh i think. I deserve lisa shot before. We put the whole team world's because you said this yesterday. I imagine a look as a teammate. If you're teammate and coach but was like all right p. pj tucker you got him and yannis is like all right a you. Imagine how to intervene with authority. Like i won't help up. Yeah and that didn't happen and he's saying it now and certainly it's desperate times and that's why i asked the question because i knew pitcher so folks because if he doesn't do well against what's gonna happen to me. Yeah that's true. That's how we'll watch certainly tonight appreciate your time. Cue thank god having clinton richardson fantastic answer and you knew i knew he was going to go with that. One aren't the nba playoffs on. Espn radio to to tonight game six. The nets hosting the bucks will jaanus k. d. presented by indeed coverage begins eight pm eastern. Our most espn radio station. So coming up. Why one playoff appearance in over a decade has people talking super bowl in the mid west. That's after key. Has this from indeed. The good news is your business doubled. Even better news is indeed can help you hire the right people without the wait times of the typical recruiting process. 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That had lebron james and steph curry and coach k. And other notable legends of sport and we end up with our with baker mayfield and yati molina. It just shows you the support. They both get from their markets. You can still vote right now at key. Jay z on twitter baker. Mayfield trailing yati molina. Yes what sixty two point. Seven percent for yati thirty seven point three percent for baker. cleveland's gotta show up for their guy but we know the saint louis market shows up for their guy. I mean molina has run through this tournament in in in yati just got there. Like he hasn't been there as entire koreans but they love them. They love they love their baseball work. But we learned about. Cleveland is they love baker mayfield and but not enough to surpass the guys. I guess another day. Another day of voting. If this was taking place in the middle football season it'd be different. You think so. Don't you think thirty three hundred. That's the question yesterday. If he's winning yes if he's losing well how much. Winning will baker in the browns. Do this year's the question as we've talked about you know jarvis landry saying you know we try to avoid saying super bowl but why should we. That should be the goal you know. Can they be that kind of team. One player that can certainly make a difference for them would be the return of odell beckham junior from injury adding to the weapons that they have on offense for baker mayfield and he talked about how odell has looked. So far yeah. He'd coach saying that. Baker baker baker. Saying that is you know is one thing i wanna hit a trainers. I want to hear what trained doctors. Yeah i want to hear what the doctors say. O b j you know. Injuries are always tough to come back from no matter what the injury is and i think it starts upstairs with his mental capacity. Now worrying about the different cuts at a different angles. Is it gonna pop again. Just go out there and play in. Let it do what to do. I think that's where he needs to approach things whether it's a training camp preseason regular season whatever the case may be we think about a torn. Acl guys do comeback from it. A lot faster nowadays because of the medicine opposed to in ancient history. My point when i hear a player have a tornado. Jet ten years ago mcmahon like. How's he going to be. Like i remember when baron davis towards aco and you're like oh is he going to be okay with embiid came back more athletic than he was before. Zach levine torres. Acl dunking champion. I can go through a list of players de rose tours. Acl still not the same spring but still came back and we kept having injuries. I was the difference with derosier. Benard king blew out his knee in nineteen eighty five and that was thought to be the end of last year he was the first player to come back and play again and became an all star. The think about that like back then. That was the death knell. Yeah playing. now you're right now you can come back and be a player. But here's the question about odell. All mizzou is it. It's all mental. It's it's whence body trusting your body and trusting. Someone's not going to be around your legs especially his position. His position is different than tom. Brady's aco his because he can get hit a million different ways he stopped and he's running full speed in an dropping his hips and coming out of a break drops his hips and come to break that. Think a pop again. But he can't worry about that he's just got to go out there and play and let it do without in mind. The worry port let me ask you key especially you from you being a wide receiver. We know with odell early earlier in his career. Obviously especially when it's time with the giants it is. It has the stories always been his frustration when not getting the ball and not being targeted coming back from an injury with a team that likes to run the ball. The two headed monster that they have is oh do does odell have to reach points. Crew does change that mentality of wanted to be the main target. No he does know. Let me ask you a question as in u. n. j. with giants. Any damn good. Good football team. They lost yeah they. They were good football team or bad team. When you're there were good and they were good because of what because they defense they use oh. Bj they use them. When you gotta talent that knows he can help you win football games and you're not utilizing in you're losing those games frustration sets in. But when you're on a good team that is winning all you want to help them win so anything that you do. You're happy with as long as you're winning you supposed to take. That damn attitude was the question. I wanted to ask you key. Not sure how it works in football but a lot of times within the basketball rinks you get your money. Obviously i right. It's about you and then you start looking into like hey okay now. I don't mind playing with other guys now. Because i feel like i'm secure and i do want to win i. When does that happen in football. It happens it happens immediately because when you think about your team having success and you a part of that success that's when you get rewarded individually being rewarded it satistics don't mean that's always been the thing when the team played when the team has the individual have success but with odell be all eyes on him because he really could make a huge difference for that team so baker mayfield. It'd be jacob degrom in our market madness contests and now degrom well. He's got bigger issues to deal with right now with discuss that next radio and on the espn app. This is a metaphor for your business journey. Sometimes it feels like the world is throwing everything has at you and to succeed. You need someone to guide you through. That's what dell technologies advisors. Do they have the tech advice to help you. Navigate whatever challenges. 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Degrom just continues to you know digress. He's just been unbelievable. Even in his three innings last night was dominating and yet had to leave getting an mri now on the shoulder. He did have some other issues physically with him a couple of weeks ago but he's clearly frustrated as he should be. He's having an historic season with the level of concern. That you would have over him. Getting a emory on the shoulder. And that was heartbreaking watching that last night because he was so good early on in the back of your mind. You're thinking boy. Is this going to be the night that he's gonna set. Some kind of a strikeout record is gonna throw a no hitter are really into it. Gets an rbi hit. And then he has to come out. After three innings in the air goes out of city field. Yeah it's a big concern. He indicated after the game that he really feels like the physical problems that he's had our isolated his elbow issue last week was a big deal he said last night he didn't think his shoulder issue is a big deal. He's had a core issue. The mets internally have to have that conversation look. Are these related or all. These part of dominoes. And i gotta believe that they're gonna have a conversation about velocity. We've talked about how he's increased velocity his age about four miles per hour in the last four years. He's unprecedented well. You know what. Maybe there's some risks with that and they've had conversations with them about the risk reward of throwing that hard for so long when you really think about what he's doing he's like a miler mile sprint mile runner. Who's basically coming out of the gate running as fast as he can and try to maintain that all the way through as opposed to pacing himself picking his spots to use his velocity. It'll be interesting to see if there are any changes with how he pitches as we move forward. Buster prior to the injury. He was just rolling again. He was doing you know dylan right in. How can you find words to describe exactly what he was doing. It just reminds me of guys that have been great pitchers that had injuries but come back and just continue to deal one word. Unprecedented ever seen anything like it. Last week i had a conversation with an evaluator said that jacob degrom we're seeing right now is the best pitcher that major league baseball has ever seen. He's faced two hundred and thirty two batters this year guys. He struck out one hundred and eleven of them. That's forty eight percent. You see that with short relievers. You don't see it with starters. You don't see starters throwing one hundred one miles per hour consistently from the first inning onward a and you love for it to keep going. He clearly right now would be the front runner. Not only be the cy young award winner but the mvp and the national league. But the mets are going to have to be. I think very circumspect on how they handle them so so if he gets healthy. What's the real look realistic chances if he the of getting that. Mvp oh. I think he absolutely will get the. Mvp if he winds up making say twenty five to thirty starts absolutely because he so dominant. And there'll be some. I think old timers you might say. Well you don't give an mvp to a pitcher if you look at the total number of plate appearances that each players involved in degrom is right there with all the position players in terms of all the impact that he hasn't guys he's driven in six runs and he's allowed only four runs the whole your four and runs in eleven weeks. What last night. Actually as well in. Rbi it's incredible. Exactly then there's garrett cole who said this after pretty dominant start versus the blue jays last night russell. Your thoughts well first off. How he cast is right. I mean this is major league baseball taking unusual step enforcing a change a significant change on players in the middle of the season. We don't see that but you know part of the reason why there hasn't been talk is because the two sides the players association and major league baseball just haven't had dialogue. It's the worst working relationship. I've seen covering a baseball more than thirty years. You wish at some point that major league baseball in the player in in collaborative collaboration in a productive relationship could've talked about a middle ground. Okay we're not gonna laugh spider attack but we'll let the pictures have a little sunscreen. Those conversations don't seeming seemingly did not take place in fact in this issue the two sides were effectively talking through the empire's association. They weren't talking with each other directly. I tell gary cole- look gary. If you get clayton. Kershaw on josh donaldson and john carlos stanton and you call the commissioner and say you wanna have zoom call to try to find a middle ground. They'll do that and it's shocking. That type of conversation really hasn't taken place not only this year but the last ten years when this has been festering than buster how about giving the umpires more reason to slow the game down and give them more command of the game of the search player. Now check a player. It's always going to be put on the umpires. We had tom glavin on yesterday's show. And i found it very interesting that when we when we played for him with tyler glass now said about his partially torn. ucla and the impact. He felt it had on not being able to use what he said sunscreen that it would mixed with rosin to give himself a little bit grip. He blamed it on that. And glenn actually shot it down. He was he said to himself. He said that he didn't understand like how much you really needed. Something like that like. He felt like he was. He was overreaching a little bit. What did you think of what glass now said blaming his injury on not being able to use any type of sticky substance to grip the ball. My instinct was the same as tom. Glavin but look. I didn't pitch. And so i called a bunch of people yesterday around the sport and there were Front office executives. Staffers in pitchers that i spoke with who believe that they may have been related. That you could see during tyler glass. Start the other day that he was trying to find a ball that he could grip. He was throwing baseballs constantly. He was trying to grab them differently. And who knows. I mean no one really knows the answer. This would say this tyler. Glass now is earnest and direct and self deprecating person. As you will ever see and again. I go back to. You wish the two sides could talk to each other. The players association major league baseball talk collaborate. Try to get the sport in a better place you feel like in the nba. Adam silver could call bron james and say look. This is the place where we want to get to. How can we do this. That doesn't seem to exist in baseball. Both thanks so much as always appreciate. You are buster. Only on the line keyshawn j. zubin we are presented by progressive insurance nets. Books game six. Hey this is bomani jones. What's your favorite podcast. Let me tell you what it'll be number two after you listen to my three times a week going to challenge you to keep up with me. As i discuss topics from the latest in technology and music camp people getting dogs also get the very best analysis of the games and we watch it with a psychopathic level historical connection. Plus we have got a community of guests that you'll feel like oh your closest friends in no listen to subscribe to the right time with bomani jones. Podcast wherever you get your podcast.

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Mailbag Episode: One Trade to Fix Everything; Should Kristaps Get the Ball More?; Luka & KP's Relationship; Josh Richardson + More

Dallas Hoops Fancast - A Podcast for Dallas Mavericks Fans

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Mailbag Episode: One Trade to Fix Everything; Should Kristaps Get the Ball More?; Luka & KP's Relationship; Josh Richardson + More

"Hello everyone and welcome to dallas hoops fan. Cast i'm your host sydney. And i'm here with my co host. Martin we're on the internet at dallas hoops. Cass dot com. Check out our breakdown of the second half of the mavs schedule on the site that was just posted in this episode. We're doing a listener. Mail bag episode. We were just going to do one segment but we got so many questions that were dedicating the entire episode to this. If you're listening on youtube leader questions in the comments section and i'll respond to those But for our next listener mailbag episode. If you wanna have your question in their follow me on twitter at underscore sitting myers that way. You can Respond and have your question in future episodes. But let's just go ahead and get started because we have a lot to go through. So i just thanks to everyone. Who responded these bills questions. Yeah i was. I was surprised that we did get such a good response. And some of these questions are good. And i'm really excited to talk about them so i'm going to shut up and just ask the question. The first one is from ads. Hamel go hard. The there's two questions from this person as to the first one is what is the one piece we could add to our existing roster that you guys think would make an actual make us actual contenders. Obviously you have to give up something to get something. But i'm curious to see what you think if you think whatever. This system is missing could be embodied by one player so if you had a pig one player and it sounds like he's talking about a trade since he mentions you have to give up something to get something so we'll just we'll narrow it down to traits. What's one player that you think would solve. Their problems are going to have to give a specific player. Name or type as specific player named Because there's just not. I mean there's a lot of good players out there. Obviously that would improve the team. Yeah but for me. The guy that would fit best would be klay thompson now. I know he's injured and they're not getting him. Yeah yeah so. That's why i was wondering. Is there perhaps a mold that we can build to me. They don't have a guy on the offensive end outside of luca that really puts fear into the hearts of the defense and porzingas hasn't really done that this year Really since he's been here but a person like klay thompson who you have to account for. Even joe harris honestly joe harris would have been a second alternate and much better defender. He's than he's given credit for. Its averaging fifteen points on a the guys averaging fifteen points a game on a team with kyri james harden and kevin durant so clearly. He can flat out shooting fifty one percent from three. Yeah you know. I did a piece on players maverick should target in the free agency whereas trades and joe harris was one of them and whenever you really study his game he's kind of like a poor man's klay thompson not as good but his skill set is the same. He's not as good in their skills but he has the same skills. He's does the same things. well in. And you see the loss of seth curry How it has impacted. The mavericks was such a good three point shooter that the defense has had to account for him every time he was on the court so even if he wasn't getting you fifteen twenty points just him being out there made it so much more than for the rest of the team and i think that's what they're missing this. You're hardaway is he's too. He's too streaky. You know like yeah if he gets hot off the bench. he's yeah he's green. And i don't want to be broken down that's great. Yeah so. I think a guy that puts fear into the opposing team shooting the ball. Yes oh. I think you mentioned klay thompson. We mentioned him all the time. It just anytime. We're talking about building a roster. We talked about klay thompson. Because i think he would be a perfect fit. Another guy that i think would solve a lot of their problems. Jimmy butler oh yes. Because he's also apps rape playmaker great defender. Now i know me comes to play. He's not a long range sniper but just his scoring in itself. I think is enough because you can surround them with other really good shooter. Yeah well in butler has a knack for making them when it matters. Yeah he's imply you're you don't leave but we're open yes so i would say i guess aren't available yet question realistically who is available that the mavs could put that would make this team. I think bertans is a guy that puts fear into the opposed to. I mean. i'm not saying he's an answer. I'm not saying he's klay thompson but they need a sniper from three and they don't have the sniper. Times is only a sniper though. So seth and again you see. Seth was a good playmaker. he could do that. All i'm saying is we're missing the sniper from three the guy that the opposing defenses had to account for when he was on the court. The mavericks don't have that the guys that are shooting their threes dorian maxi josh. Richardson jalen brunson. Chris and tim hardaway. So are you saying. They only need a sniper. Because in the past we've talked about how they need a playmaker. Are you saying the sniper needs. Obviously it would be great. And that's where klay thompson comes in because clay could get his own shot if you had to okay. But you're saying if you can only get one of those things it would be sniper and not playmaker is sounds like i don't know i don't know you know. The scene has so many holes has so many like obviously they need a real playmaker. But i'm just thinking about players that are actually available. Yeah where they could potentially get. They're not gonna they just don't have the pieces to get a star and a star would be jimmy butler klay thompson type of player. Yeah well okay so guys that maybe are a little more realistic. I think well okay. So jerry joe harris is signed But i did really want him to dug into his game. I was like dude. This guy he would be so great. I just want you to remember who that bug in your ear. It was me no no. It was me and i kept mentioning joe harrison. You can kiss him. And then you're like. I'm gonna do some research and then you realize joe harris was yeah so he would be a really good fit he would be the more like attainable version of the best case scenario. Yeah or we also talk. About tomorrow to rosen. Now i've heard some bad stuff about derozen. I wanna take into him little more into him and see if he really is or. Is this another. Andre drummond where it's not as good as again. I didn't mention derosier. Because i just didn't know if he was available. Yeah well i think derozen. Joe harris are more available obviously than klay thompson jimmy. Okay his so the next question that he had also do. You agree that every city edition unique. We've had so far has been total garbage. Do you think cubans the main reason the main person choosing the designs he's always had horrid tastes in my opinion Ps i've always despised. His horse. logo were long overdue for a brand refresh in general. Well okay. so i'll start. I of hated every single mavs city jersey and they've just gotten worse every year Their first year. Was i think the neon it was like just black with neon sides. In retrospect it wasn't that bad when you go from might the grief graffiti jersey. Which i hated and i looked at those. I was like you know. I didn't know how good we had it. And then the year after that they did this sort of like light. Blue logo and the grey jersey is the graffiti jersey odyssey. Everyone knows i hated that one. But i really like this year's this year's i think is one of the best in the league and i love it so i would agree that all of them have been trash except for this year. I think i'm one of the only people out there that actually liked last year's a lot of people like the graffiti wars twitter. I personally like them. And if you wanna go to war and can go to war now this is well yeah. I think the very first ones they've done where the one we had the skyline on the front was like back right. Yeah yeah yeah but anyways. Yeah i like them. They're okay none of them have been awesome and i can't really say that for any team. I haven't really liked any team. This year is has been this very definitely they are. They're awesome and it's funny because they're just simple. Yeah it's i just. I like the gold. I think they're cleaning the wings on the side. You don't like the as. Yeah the find. I'm not i can't. It's not going to be perfect. I know a lot of people do think that human is a main person behind some of the designs. And as i've heard a lot of people who want a brand refresh a lot of people want them to use their green more. But i've heard that kibben. Hey you've been doesn't like the green so he doesn't want to it. Yeah well one of the first things he did when he bought the team was getting. Yeah yeah it's still technically a part of their color pallet. i think maybe not. Because i never use it. Only when they do the retro which they only do every five years so Okay next one. This is from at risk it for d. biscuit. I hope i said that correctly. How much smoke should there be to have fire. And how much fire should there be to have smoke. That's that's the question okay. So i'm assuming we're talking about the porzingus thing and there's a lot of smoke either that or he's going to fire. I can't help you with that. But just get a fire log. Is it easy easy. But if we're talking about trade rumors with porzingis and how much smoke there is around to me. There's too much smoke. Yeah like occasionally something will come out there and it's just completely not true That story dies. Yeah but with the porzingas situation. There's just too much smoke out there and it's coming from multiple different places to me. There's a huge fire under yet all. Yeah we actually talked about that a lot in our post game road dallas whose game cast is our post game podcast last night their game against the nets how they posted up chris. Tops like twenty times and it just seemed really strange that they suddenly changed their whole philosophy and that combined with how he had been out for multiple games with like back whatever and then the rumors and then there was the thing where he didn't get the ball last night and so he was like he got upset. There were reports people that were at the game said that after kristaps got upset for not getting the ball he and carlisle went added. Had like a shouting match. Kristaps kicked a chair. Something either just like there's so many things that individual you're like calm down you know. It's nothing but you put them together. He's definitely getting traded. I don't know if he will hear. There's something there outside of luca in dirk carlisle's gonna win that. Yeah he's just he's given a free unlimited pass. He's here forever. Yes he's alive he decides he's done. Yeah and whether you agree with it or not or you agree with his coaching methods. Or whatever i i'm not gonna touch on that. The fact is second in command. Actually he is okay. Let me do so. It's cuban donny. Luca actually it's cuban. Luca danni carlisle. Yeah and then mile nothing and then it's porzingis so it's the whole situation with rondo car out. Unlike him rondos gone. Yeah i just. I do think there's too much smoke for their not to be a fighter. So yeah i. I don't wanna talk about it a ton because like i said we just spent like thirty minutes talking about it in last night's episode so you can go listen to that i'd be some subscribe to that podcast. If you wanna listen to our post game episodes okay. It sounds like you're editing that in I'd be surprised if he doesn't get traded at the trade deadline or before the trade deadline. I don't know because the mavs every year they're like we're wheeling and dealing were always opportunistic and then they do nothing because they have no well. You have nobody to treat through with the time they did have somebody to trade the gop morzine but they don't have anybody to try. Well i guess they do. Yes so okay next. This is from at oh. I can't at ads kabamba sports. This is actually a mom. Podcast will the name of the podcast is caban mavericks. Podcasts makes sense okay. The question will mavs fans apologized to. Kp get some games together and is playing great again hashtag patients. I hope so. I hope my ultimate dream is that porzingas turns into that guy. The unicorn the unicorn franchise the second star the second fiddle to luca and they become this duo. This dynamic duo and they're awesome and they win a lot of games and they're contending. That's my alternate dream. he's healthy. yeah. But i just don't see it happening. I think the way if you look at porzingas history and a lot of it is rumors around his agent brother and how they're high maintenance and to be fair like the mavericks have done a lot like. They hired his personal trainer. They brought on his His doctor his psychiatrists like all. They did everything they could. They offered him a max contract even though he hadn't been healthy. It's like what more could they do for him and yet he's still not hell well. Yeah and so in this game against the nets we gave you the ball every time down the course and then you didn't get it. Thank you for your share and yelling at like well. Good god man. Like what more do you want. Yeah and so the whole at first when the the situation with new your can come out. We blame new york because we hadn't seen that guy that new york had talked about. But we're starting to see that guy. Maybe i mean maybe he's right maybe he should be getting the ball more and you know what was crazy about that. There's a huge argument to be made that that is true because we want we've watched the mavericks and they'll go through this decision. Making where jalen and josh richardson. And tim hardaway jr and trey burke. We'll be the primary playmakers and it's like how if you're kristaps porzingis. How do you stand there and watch these guys. Turn the ball over. Shoot up a stupid shot and say hey how come. I'm not getting the ball and to be fair. He hasn't been productive when he's given the ball. But there's a huge case to be made that he should be given the ball more. Yeah i think it goes both ways. One he should get the ball and then to he needs to make the shot and really make a good play. Yeah yeah not always gonna make it but yes and sometimes neither one of those things happen. Sometimes he never gets the ball and then sometimes when he does he never makes a shot. and so it's it's both things but like like you said if he is now just great he can become that guy off all along. I want them to work it out. Yeah me too in the thing is i think. A lot of carlisle is in affecting porzingas mentally because carlyle keeps saying bad badshah badshah bad shot and every single bad shot is what porzingis does well in his mind. Yeah so every time he gets the ball and he wants to do something carlisle's in the back of his head saying no no no no and it's like that affects his play on the court now. He's just he's just he looks like he doesn't even know how to play basketball. We'll talked about how he's thinking too much. That could be why. I mean to be fair. He seven three. What is a seven three guy going to do other than an play in the post. He's not going to be running around like a guard. So i mean i can understand his side of it yes exactly. It's one hundred percent. Carlisle wants him to be a force baiser. He doesn't want to be that he wants to be in a star now again. He hasn't been great in the post. And we talked about that on the pod. Last night he was good last night but he hasn't been great in the post. However i think there are things he can do to be good there if he faces up rather than backing down. That's great but again he hasn't been consistently. I think he's better than what he shown again. I really do think carlisle his impacting him. Because when you're constantly under pressure yeah to do something that you're not really wanting to do or what. You wanted to ask instinctively. Yes and so then when you missed the shot in the the weight just gets heavier and heavier so i really do in carlisle's not an easy coach to play for. We have countless history of that. So i do think. That's impacting him. He does deserve a little bit of freedom to allow him to be who he is. Yeah i think that's just having that that little bit of freedom now luca he gets tons of freedom because he's one of the greatest players in the league. I'm not saying that. Chris tops deserves that but just maybe a little bit more and maybe if you give him freedom then he doesn't have carlisle's boys in the back of his head every time he shoots then maybe he can become that guy that we always thought and then it is productive to give him the ball on the court and let him producer. Make a play now. All that being said he has to do her. Yes he's got to deliver and he hasn't done that consistently so that is that's just melting. It's there but if he can deliver than short but that that much responsibility that comes with responsibility making those well in in. This was the point that we had talked about a long time ago about him requesting longer stretches of minutes And like you see you only get one time to request that. And at least he did deliver. Yeah there's no maybe he'll do it again but the biggest thing with me is he's got to be a star when it matters and that's what i haven't seen from him at all and now maybe if he's given a little bit of freedom and he's allowed to just be who he is maybe he'll turn back into that guy that we thought he was going to be. Okay let's move on this. One is from at alley. I'm not gonna say this right allie. Why why come i. Approach is okay. The question is merck. What are teams the mavs should be. What are the teams. The map should be avoiding in terms of first round matchups in the playoffs. I think the signs jazz blazers lakers are teams. Amass should avoid in the first round. Yeah i'm not. I don't know if they need to avoid the blazers. The mavericks have historically played well against the blazers now. Obviously if you get damian when he's having a hot series then you don't have a chance but he's only had like two of those every other series he's been trashed and he's free pass trash but anyways so i i'm not too afraid of the blazers and i'm also not afraid of the sons. I know this is beat us. But i just think that if the mavericks are fully healthy and they're clicking on all cylinders. I think they might be right up there at the same level as the sons sons are early. Enough in their roads who contention that they can still be beaten. They're not like you rarely just go from not good enough to championship. I think they could be. I just don't think. I think they're a good team. But they're just not that team like curse. Paul and devon booker are great combo. But they don't really have a whole lot of talent outside of those two and deondraye aden's okay. They have is. They can have good games. They can get in a playoff series solid. It's usually yeah it's accurate. So i i i'm okay with facing and the blazers. I'm okay with facing in the clippers. i'm okay with face. Spur of the clippers. Yeah but there. I mean they are bet. You don't think they're going to do that again. Choke in the playoffs. Lucas living out their number. He's what about the spurs they're currently now not no. I'm not afraid of the spurs at all. I don't think the spurs are very good. I know their record is is good. But i don't see them maintaining that. Yeah i would be okay with the spurs the blazers and the sun's just not the league and i'm not jazz. Yeah i'm not saying they would beat those teams. I think the mouse would probably lose. Especially if they're like a seventh or eighth seed but it's their best chance of winning. Okay next question. This is from at brent edmonson. What players do you think the mavs trade for to help us now in the future and in the future i don't know if he means like should they trade for or if he means like what's a prediction solicited. I mean it really all depends like we talked about before on the porzingas. If we're gonna assume porzingis not traded and they wanna fill their roster outside of that they have no assets. They're only main asset is jalen brunson so with brunson if another team feels like. He's a starting point guard which was great that the media is starting to hype that up. Because that's just increasing his trade value and there's a team out there that needs a point guard and has yes well but do the cooper's have any pieces that we want so it's got to be a perfect scenario. The team's gotta yeah. I mean i don't know if i'd trade brunson for a thirty two year old walker how old ivanka's and besides if you're gonna keep porzingas ivanka's kinda pointless so you would need wing depth or a secondary playmaker. That's better than brunson and can start. I was talking to a bulls guy this past week and he saw a lot of value in maxime as well as brunson. I think those two kind of had the most value to him so mattress. You maxi for zach levine. You know like it's not like they have a ton of value but just on the mass roster those two guys have the most value. What could you get for. Maxine brunson. I don't think a whole lot. But i don has more value. So what the mavericks can offer. A team is really similar to what they did. When they got porzingis they can offer a young asset. Who's actually better than dennis smith. Who and they can offer space very much of a burn. I think i don't know anyways. So they can offer a young promising player. Yeah and they can offer a whole bunch of cap space with hardaway and james johnson and josh richardson's contracts. You just got to find the perfect scenario. You gotta find the other porzingas. That's on a bad team. And they're looking to move on from them and their gm's so the problem is all the teams have players. I want they don't need cap space and they probably don't need a point guard yeah So yeah. I was talking to him. I was like well. Would you take maxine brunson for window carter junior because i think he would be a good fit and he was like now so mean guys are value but not in knowledge. Not a whole okay. Next question this is from. At lucas skywalker. Seventy seven is donnie nelson overrated by fans. Deal the front office will change. Its offseason approach from dwight tiana dwight howard to janas and all the bargain been one year contract dudes the trailed off but i mean look the whole free agency thing that they've done over the last couple of years actually since two thousand eleven has been some of the most frustrating experiences and it hasn't worked and it's embarrassing. Is it silly that they're still doing it. yes. I don't think it's donny that's poland. Those strings cuban. Yeah we just sorry go ahead. They haven't paid the luxury tax in ten years. That's not donnie. Don't care like what all that crap. i think. It has to get permission. Yeah anything that shows that cubans kind of industries and you have the example of the twenty thirteen draft. That came out and donny wanted to draft him. But cuban wanted to save five dollars and so he was hundred thousand dollars in mba. That's a nickel. Yeah you know so. He wanted to save a nickel or a dime and by saving that nickel or dime they got nobody got nobody and janas was drafted by the bucks and donny wanted him. And then in the case with luca danni had to basically forcefully according to the reports. Yeah slam his head down the tape career on. It's actually and offer the first year round. Pick for the next year because cuban wasn't really sold on a luca cuban. I love cuban. But if i really look at his history since he's bought the team he hasn't made really good decisions. The steve nash situation were never letting that no because it was the dumbest decision ever it was just dumb and then the tyson chandler situation champion on another level. Yes so. I question his decision making and he's been great and the mavericks have had a long run. But how much of that was. Just dirk cuban even said in a video. I think with g. cue that the reason they didn't draft janas was because the scouts and donny were really big on him but he was like. We didn't have hardly any footage. It was like you know these. vhs tapes in dark. jim and there was just nothing to see. And i'm like that's why you have scouts. 'cause they fly there and watch the guy and then they tell you it's like why do you pay these guys if you're not gonna listen to them. So that was ultimately his decision. He didn't listen to the people who knew what they were talking about. And again to save four hundred thousand dollars so they can go after white howard and they didn't have a chance of getting him any ways because you had nobody else on the team. Yeah so no. I think is great I think cuban has been the main culprit for the mavs failures bad decisions. I think if you give donnie nelson asks free pass. Yes no assets. He can do amazing things and before the championship when they were willing to pay the luxury tax he made moves all the time now. They didn't win a championship. But at least they were always in contention but yeah they did eventually. I mean yeah. I think donny does a great job. I just disagree with the whole free agency plan. I think it's ridiculous and hasn't worked and even if you thought it was a good idea for a few years in a row look at what point are you like. Maybe this isn't a good plan. You know yeah. I don't think that's donnie. And then do. I think that they'll move on from that plan. I just i don't. I don't know the willing to pay the luxury tax. Then that's it at some point they're going to to if they want to actually truly contain campy a good team without paid luxury tax money ball this situation and in the nba stars. You gotta have guys that make shots when they matter and get stops when they matter. You can't moneyball yes okay. Next question is from. Be truthful at being teased. Zillah guy question. I actually yesterday question. I don't doubt the mavs might be shopping. Kp only lucas truly untouchable. But is there actually a package out there that they would do it for any realistic trade targets for the mavs during the season before the deadline you had an interesting theory about the warriors. I did yes. Would you like to share it if you could remind me what that interesting so there was that whole thing where chris kristaps likes tweet by somebody who had just randomly say like welcome to the warriors because they thought he was getting traded. And he's like mine with be the warriors and chris. Tops liked that tweet and there was like video evidence. I mean it looks legit. I don't know he unliked is you can't see anymore. But he had liked it. Originally and your theory was. I think they probably had a trade ready to go. And his agent or his brother was aware of it and blah blah blah. Al came out. And then it kinda crumbled last minute and so he had to go back and unlike it. Yeah so people found out the yeah. So it's it's a theory. Now the two teams that have and i don't remember the podcasts. At wake aside inside pod. I guess they had found out or saw through. Sources that the wizards and the warriors with the main two teams at the mavericks were. Were interested in porzingus. Sense for the wizards. They're trying to keep pat bradley beal. They might be team. That will make a desperate move to keep him much like the mavericks did for luka they wanted to bring in another star So the the wizards and they have a lot of other pieces and other young and they're unproven. But it might fit for the mavericks better now the warriors. I don't know where they fit in. I don't really want andrew wiggins contract. Yeah that's what the trade. Yeah if we're in a move on from porzingas bad contract. I'd rather just start over. Start over while we still have young. Luca we still have a couple of years to rebuild. I really agree with the whole decision to get porzingas. I thought it was the right. Move to make. It just didn't work the way we wanted it to. I have no interest. In andrew wiggins warriors trade would center around andrew weakens. And he's fine. He's nine garbage. But i don't know if he really doesn't move the needle. Yeah it doesn't move the needle a wizard trade would probably send her. Well not really sent her around. Anybody think guys would be like ryuhachi. Mara mentioned in some of the somebody. That's who is mentioned on that. Which is theory yes yeah. I don't think they're getting bradley. Beal no i. Don't i don't think washington's going to move on i yeah. But if washington's desperate you might be able to gut their team and their draft picks for porzingus true and maybe turn that around for something else. Yeah you know. Unlike select thomas bryant. This year he was average detour before that he was averaging fourteen points a rise averaging thirteen i mean noth- nobody on that team really excites me. Because it's like the team sucks. Like how good can players really be. I mean even with bradley beal. I'm starting to kinda doubt a little bit because it's like they're you could make arguments stretch the argument that he's has outside of the whole porzingas stuff. You actually know it. You could make the argument. The wizards that bradley beal has a better supporting cast on luca. I mean less is better than porzingas despite all the whole noise about westbrook. Better on your court. Yeah he's just a better player and then outside of that it's a competition of dorian against rui maxi against protons. You know it's like it could go either way. I think there's a huge argument. He has a better supporting cast. And now maybe some of these guys would work. Better with luca. I don't know yeah so outside of those two teams. I just don't know yeah. I mean that's the thing like the maps are really tight lipped like we really have no idea who they've been talking now. We've heard the warriors and the wizards but other team. I would look into would be the hornets in davonte. Graham terry rozier because lamelo the way he's kind of become a pretty good player in maybe even a future star and so maybe they want to move on from rozier and porzingas kind of helps out. I would like to take rozier off their hands if they wanted to give him away. So yeah i mean. I don't know if they would. I don't know i mean why. Why would they want like if they got their their new. Maybe rose years part of those plans Yeah it's like. I said that you never really hear anything about the mavs. So any says they are a top notch. But like anything that we guess which spe- guesses like there's no rumors at this point other than that. They've talked to other teams i. I would say that if pausing doesn't play the next game due to quote unquote back tightness. Resurgence whatever i think. The whole brooklyn game was kind of a showcase game. Yeah the trade is in play. Were just waiting on something and and one thing that the guy mentioned on that pod was batons isn't eligible for trade until like march something. Oh yeah and maybe that's what they would be waiting for okay. The next question is from mark schindler from premium hoops at m schindler. Nba He has okay one or two. I don't know what are your thoughts on jay. Riches season josh richardson. Obviously he has struggled from the outside and underwhelmed offensively. He has a player option this summer. And it's just kind of murky what his future is in dallas if there is if there is one from either party Josh richardson. I think i was talking to somebody else. I don't know in lake. He's been a little disappointing. He's averaging less than thirteen points this season or maybe right at thirteen points this season. He has flashes where he can be playmaker. But it's clearly not him like that is not what he does not his skill set. His individual defense is pretty good again. You know kind of like sometimes. It's they're locked down and sometimes it's just okay. Really josh richardson. I couldn't care less what they do with him. I've been really underwhelmed as a whole. And i just i think at that guard spot. You really need that second guy that everybody talks about for the mavs and so he's just taken up that spot and saw whatever i couldn't carry out i mean. Richardson is the fifth guy. If it starter like he's really. He's the tony allen type guy. That's out there for good team for the celtics. Tony allen was her defensive lockdown guy. Yeah but that's really it like. He doesn't move the needle much. And if i had known the season was going to go the way. It's going now. I would prefer to have just kept seth. Yeah not that. Seth is like seth is only averaging. I think fifteen points but it's different kinds of points and i don't know if the defense is that much of a drop off But to be fair the maverick's defense has shown signs that it can be really good in the last four games. They've been number one in the league and sensor many all all-star break that they got for you know due to the weather here and i think he's had a huge part of that because he i know it doesn't get a lot of box score you know kind of. I can't think it doesn't get a lot of attention. But i think he's having an impact on the defensive side of the court. Yeah i think first of all just. The trade was a good idea aggressive bing. It hasn't really worked out. Obviously if i could go back in time. I would do the tree but i'm not upset that they did it. They took a good risk. And i'm okay with it now. I am upset that i think ultimately their underlying motivation was because richardson has the player option. And so is theoretically cap space. I hate that motivates all of their decisions. But if you're just looking at the the players. I you know the trade made sense. And then yeah i you know again. I just think that second that guard spot would be where you put that kind of second playmaker but you know it could also be at the wing spot where you put that second. I don't know maybe he's still fits. I don't know if we're really that's important where that guy is because once you get past. All those guys are kind of interchangeable. Yeah yeah you're right about that so But still just because he hasn't been great. I am like i'm indifferent to what they do with him. Now do i think do you think that he'll opt in to his player option. This doubt it like even if he if he just continues to have the season he's having he's still so young. You're you're going to get more money long term than you would get on this last year. Which i think would only be like ten million eleven. Yeah so i think he opts out no matter what interesting. Yeah okay okay. At mavs main did not have a two part to his. Oh yeah but the second part wasn't actually a question was i've had this on my radar for a bit from an outsider perspective. Love him as a player and locker room presence definitely interested to get your thoughts. It just hasn't had the impact. Yeah that we that we wanted and we were expecting based on based on what he thought. That's who thought we were getting. Yeah like same. Seems like a really great guy. he's always goes and plays a lot of trouble. Gives it his all. He's just not a very good player. Yeah okay okay. So this one is from at mavs. Maniac eighty four chris lopez. Mfl his question is who's on the trade bloc this time around and i responded i was like am. I picking up on some sarcasm because we're always putting people on the trade bloc but you know just assuming. This is a legit question everybody outside of luca and not not that lake. Everyone is actually being shopped. But yeah they're basically they're available. A teams can call and ask about them and say hey were willing to do this or this and the mavericks and say. Yeah but i think every single player outside of lucas available including krista abs. Yes yeah if they get the right package but one of the things that on the jump. They had marcus spears. Were marc spears. It's marcus mark. Marc spears either way Spears was on and he had mentioned that. It wasn't just the defensive problems or the injury history. It was the fact that porzingas high maintenance. And i guess he has gotten sources saying that. That's part of the reason why the mavericks were willing to move on. Because he's such high maintenance and we saw in that brooklyn's game like in order to get him involved in the offense. You have to stop everything you're doing. And just bloop gave him the ball. Let him go to work. Yes yeah so. I heard that that report was totally bogus. Who said that cuban i. Maybe somebody said that. They think that's just somebody from new york putting that out there because they're still salty. I mean i mean that's just what i heard. I think new york has a whole new brass. I think they're done. They moved on from that whole situation. Okay the next one is from ads the k. King the question is thoughts on trade options involving powell and bobin i mean i i would prefer for what you're going to get back for bo bon. You're better off. Just keeping them just for his locker room presence. Yeah his friendship with luca his joy. You wouldn't get anything back for him. That would make it were. Yeah well powell. You want to get rid of at this point because i mean no. I don't mean that a main getting ten million dollars a year the next two years. So you got i will take a second round pick for wipe i would take cash Nothing for i will give you cash to take two white powell. I think for the from the mavericks point of view. Having him in the locker room is worth more than a second round pick. It's worth ten million dollars a year. I mean you wanna talk about him contracts. Yeah because he doesn't ever Yeah you know after the achilles just before the achilleas. I hate how people are putting that anecdote asterik. Before the achilles he was a non player in this league. I was like i feel like now all the dwight powell lovers are just using that as an excuse. It's like this is what he was like before. I mean he can't jump for the. But oh god dad now you know whatever whatever i don't want to bash powell again i. I don't think they would get anything for power. I don't think there's any team out interested in him likewise with on. I think you'd better off just keeping them just for his locker room presence. Yeah i don't think either one of them have value. Okay love to get terry rozier for them. But it's not gonna happen. Um next one is from at direct show ten. The question is how much value in a trade do expiring contracts of james johnson and tim hardaway junior have at the nba trade deadline. I mean depends on the team. I know it's no. It does not what i was gonna say. It kind of depends on the team. That is what their decision is. What their plan is for the future. Is that team. That you're trading them to wanting cass base like new york when you did the whole cap dump for them. Yeah they were wanting to sign max guys. They thought because they were new york. They'd be able to do that. So you would have to find the right scenario. I don't know if tim hardaway like has a lot of value like tim. Hardaway's value is for a contending team. Like he would be the final piece that a contending team like the clippers say for example they just need one more schuler warrior or the warriors. Well they're not really contending. But the top near milwaukee. They need one more shooter you know so those kinds of teams. Yes exactly so they would. They would have a wad value for tim hardaway. But if they could guarantee that they're gonna he's gonna resign. Yeah unless you're going win now mode oh yeah so yeah outside of that. I mean it really just kind of depends on the team that you're dealing with because they may have a lot of value depending on the team or they may not have any value basically. It's really just about the record like a a really bad team. Generally doesn't care about cap space because free agent destination. True like the mavericks young. But i mean yeah if if region destination yeah but for the most part aband- bad team is not going to lure a lot of free agents. That cost a lot of money. Or i guess maybe they might overpay but generally cap spaces for the bigger teams the really good teams that have a guy they know they can sign him or they need to add a couple pieces they just need to throw the money out there and they get them that those teams i think i really think would or or it's in the has like a super bad contract. Yes yeah i really do think a trade centerpiece much like the one they did. When they got porzingis were centered around brunson and the expiring deals. They might be able to pull the trigger on a guy out there. I just don't know who that guy is. Yeah and you know that really kind of is the only thing that would prevent them is is that guy out there in his at ti wanting to move on. So i definitely think expiring contracts have a lot of value but only for certain teams like for a team like the bulls. It has no value but for a team that would ever that team is needs it. Then yeah it has a ton of value okay. Next question is from at san antonio smart it is if the mavericks by some people make the playoffs. Who are they replacing. So let me give you the current nba standings so we can see who they who is placed. They might take so currently in the west. It is a jazz lakers. Clippers suns spurs blazers warriors. Nuggets the are currently ninth. They're a game and a half behind the nuggets for eighth and two games out of sixth and seventh. Yeah so first of all. I don't think it's a miracle for them to make the playoffs. I think that if you take away that whole cova situation this team has been pretty good. They haven't been there not contenders but they've been pretty good but this this last stretch where they've gone like seven and two or whatever that a lot of that was really those were really bad teams so i mean the record still seven into like what happens when they play normal teams. Like five hundred. I how that's how you win in this leeann is the teams are supposed to be. You have a really high record in teams. That are really good. You have a decent record against them. Yeah so i think. I'm not convinced of san antonio. And i know that guys san antonio guy. Well his his name is big d and then he's at san antonio's smart. Okay so i mean it's what area he again supporting. But i don't see san antonio maintaining their record and i am not sold on portland. I think the warriors have a better chance of falling out than portland or the spurs. I think those three teams are the teams that the mavericks would really fighting for and and one of those three would be the team's a fall out. I know portland. Had that nice little run where they were eighteen and ten. I think the record is a little misleading like every year. Any time portland wins. Four games in a row star. Wars portland's always the dark dark before they got willard when the mavericks played them in two thousand eleven they were projected to beat them average portland. I just don't think they're that good. They're sixty four of their last ten. They've four in a row. I think since they beat the mavericks. They've lost four in a row. So yeah golden. State san antonio portland. I can't see denver staying at eighth but you never know like denver's lost a lot of people. Did over the last couple of years and michael porter. Jr. he can put up some stats. But he doesn't impact winning losses when wins and losses. I wouldn't be surprised if they ship porter somewhere Would you want him now. He's too much of a liability on defense. okay yeah. I agree i think the warriors have the biggest chance but i guess i could see the blazers were the spurs pulling up. The spurs are really. I mean they're seventeen twelve. I think they're staying. Might not remain the fifth. See but i think they're staying next This is from accident. Show ten again. What's luca in capeeze. Chemistry off court best buds. I have not seen that. I don't know i mean. I talked to luca three days ago. I don't have any sources or any context insults. How do you think we have a podcast where we trash everybody team. I'm there's one video that Always comes into my mind. When i think about their relationship off the court and that was in the bubble in the bubble there is this video of all the euro guys It was yokich. It was luca vucevic All of them they were all gomez. Yes they were all hanging out like. They were best buds. Pausing wasn't there well. Maybe he had a date in the bubble. Oh it was in the bubble. He couldn't go anywhere maybe he had a haircut. Okay whatever excuse. The fact is he wasn't there and everybody else was like hanging out and he wasn't and i feel like he's kind of a Not aloof. I don't know if i want to say that word but was with the introvert. Yeah i think he's an intro. So yeah i mean that up to yeah. I don't mean it in a negative way. But i don't think him luka quite gel on the court you ain't friends court. I don't think they hate each other. I think no. I don't think they do. I think they just sometimes you click with the person and sometimes you don't but that doesn't mean you hate them. It just means you don't click your best friend but you. You don't have a problem with them. You like them. You respect them. Whatever but you just your best buds. And i think they have that kind of religion and i think ultimately we just don't know but i have not seen them hanging out outside of yeah i i don't think that they're super close friends now but i think they like each other and they're all that and i don't okay. Next question is from ads. Real ish podcast. Should we tone down the k. P. trae talk should we or should the mavs. We may be mad as i mean. First of all trades are exciting any year. so that kind of gets everybody chooses. going in. porzingas is kind of a hot topic right now because of there's the side that love. Kp there's aside. That's done with them. And i don't think it's going to stop until the trade deadline's over. Until then i think it's just gonna continue to to have rumors and woes or zach lowe will come out and say there's something going on and of course. They may do that. Whether there's something going on or not. Just to irk cuban because cuban attack low. And they're going to get them back and all that stuff. I think that things just keep happening. You know there was the rumors. And then there was that he was out and then there was the nets game and things. Just keep happening that kind of worship yet. We'll just keep stoking the fires as long as those things keep happening. It will continue to be talked about. And again i still maintain that. It's not that they're not shopping him. I think they just. They were looking for his vow. Maybe maybe they are shopping. Hates it here. I don't know. I think he requested the trade. I dunno bro. okay One this is from at ethan. Are you buying all the kp. I guess we just answer this. Yeah definitely think. The rumors were legit. Yeah next question at larue. J. j. j. at this point was the. Kp trade still a win. Oh yes yes. It was because one ninety nine percent of draft picks. Turn out to do nothing in the league absolutely nothing. So it's the mavericks weren't gonna have a top round pick. They weren't gonna keep dennis smith anyways. Dennis smith has turned out to be a non player in the league. He's not good. Yeah he had his best year his rookie year and then has just steadily declined. And now he's i don't even know if he's playing in detroit he is and he had a really good dunk. The other new he needs to be let loose. He needs to be free free. Dennis smith dennis smith is not a good player for u-turn. Dennis smith and wes matthews and andre jordan those expiring contracts into porzingis and hardaway. You almost won the trade just with hardaway alone. Yeah so yes. They definitely won. The trade here was the full trade. the mavericks traded away deondraye jordan. Wesley matthews dennis smith junior. A twenty twenty one first round pick and a twenty twenty three first round. Pick top ten protected so two first round picks in those guys they guides. Kristaps trae berg. Tim hardaway junior. And courtney lee so. I think it was a win because like you said they got tim hardaway junior. Who's been key whether he leaves her not. It doesn't matter for the years that they had him he's been key. Trey burke has been all right you know we got that alone makes it. He's done things. Okay deal and we got rid of wesley matthews okay. That was the biggest win. And regardless of what those players have done for the mavericks. Regardless of what you think of lee your hardware burke or even kristaps. The fact is that none of those players that they traded to the knicks. Are there any more deondraye jordan. Wesley matthews smith junior. They're not even there anymore so that valued at that you gave them. You don't have that. They're not doing anything whereas the mavericks are still getting production from their guys. Now the two first round picks. That's obviously it remains to be seen. Who knows but at this point. I still think they won. I think first round pigs are just completely overvalued in the nba. It's so tough. It's not like in the nfl where these guys played college football for four years they come in ready to contribute on a super bowl team in the nba. There are so many busts. You don't know what you've all like every draft. There's maybe five guys that are actually in the league. Yeah every one of them all the other ones have just follow the fifteenth guy. And so the cia. Look josh green. Everybody was so high tyler bay everybody was flipping out about these guys and i was like these guys suck like. I don't understand why you guys think these guys are going to be any good in the nba. Their second round picks. There's been like four in history. Second round picks at turned out to be good draymond manage nobly and i can't think of two others There's another one okay. That's my point so to think that these second round picks that the map may be jalen is one of the goods sector around. That's a good example. But it's like these guys aren't any good and unless you have a top five. Pick the chances of anybody outside the top five being any good are so remote for you to get that guy is. The chances are so low. It's not worth it. Trade the pick. I am not a bad draft guy. I think like so obviously every nba player was drafted so including the really good ones is not true there have been a lot of undrafted yes every. Nba player was drafted. So it's not like not true. It's not like you can't get good players in the draft. Obviously that's where they come from. But i think the you're the kind of guy that would play the odds and the odds are that you're with your one pick. Are you going to get the guy. Those odds might not be as high as if you're trading for a guy that's already you already whiz. You know he's good in all ready seen you know that his game in college translated to the nba. Yeah i am better with that now. If it's a top five pick. I might keep it and i might take my chances but that man open for business okay. This is the last question from at nba. Seventeen seventeen one. Or maybe it's one seventy spend twenty minutes numbers. Their last question does luca win player of the month for february. Ooh that's actually a good question because their record has been pretty good and his numbers. I think he does i. I do i think he does. I'm gonna look at look. look up. Look up his splits for february. He has averaged thirty points. A game come back. I think it was thirty. Eight and eight thirty points. Seven rebounds eight assists he shot. Where's his shooting. Percentage forty forty eight percent overall forty-three percent on three pointers. And the record. I think is what Good eight or something. So yeah i. I do think he wins player of the month now like i don't know what anybody else did. So willard's lost four in a row. Maybe he should be star. Yeah i mean that freaking like ob top. It went off or something. It's east and west. Yeah yeah you're right. You're right. And obi top and really. He was his name. A lot on the twits. So the twitter's yes. Thank you for finishing that off. I was about say we should edit that out. But you do so yes. Those are all the questions. Thank you guys. That was pretty fun. Like i said if you're listening on youtube leave your questions and then all answered those and we can do that there Those are really good questions. We're really gonna see ninety percent of them were about. Kp and i get it because you know it's huge topic. If you've heard me from a longtime now i've been saying move on from porzingis. Yeah so again. I would encourage you guys to listen to last science post game. 'cause that's we talked about how it's just a cloud hanging over everything so we can't even talk about the game or this or that it's always just this cloud of what's going on with that And just general if you wanna listen to our post game pods. That's dallas hoops game casts. It's a separate pod. You can search for it wherever you listen to podcasts and subscriber follow but that's it for this episode. Thank you guys so much for listening or for watching if you're on youtube and see you guys next sunday or after the next game if you listen to our post game pod We'll see guys later. Bye he gonna say by. I never do. Okay my thing wow.

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S2 Ep 30: The International Draft

Chad Ford's NBA Big Board

55:48 min | 4 months ago

S2 Ep 30: The International Draft

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I want to actually kick off this. Podcast talk about a lot of international prospects. Today we were. We were talking right before the show started. Fran and i had this amazing opportunity for for really more than a decade to travel out to treviso italy and be part of what was the start of the euro camp and this was the first sort of major scouting event that was focused primarily on international players. Fran was a coach in that event for many years. I came out as journalists. Many of the top general managers and scouts came out to it. Used to be kind of a small affair and it kind of grew and grew and grew and You know with donnie nelson leaving the mavs. After twenty four years we thought it might be nice to just do a little shoutout to him because he was pivotal in making that work A real pioneer in the international basketball realm and You know fran maybe you can reminisce a little bit. You know about all those times that that we spend interviews together truly the coolest most intimate scouting thing. That i've ever been part of no question chad and it's missed you know it's kinda fallen apart. They you know. The nba combine is still going strong but the euro camp was. It was a hidden jewel for us. You know donnie. Nelson and kiki vandeweghe particularly Along with one of my former players who was scouting for the mavericks. At the time. And a guy. You got to know. Really well pete filo started to camp and you know that was at the beginning of my time. Espn basically your time at espn would was right before me and i remember going over there because it was going to be my first year on the coverage to tv coverage. I walk into the gym. And of course i. By that time i lived in dallas. I got to know donnie. Well because it's hard not to get to know donnie nelson. He's such a people guy and remember saying what are you doing here. And i said well covering the campaign he said. Knock your coaching. You're going to coach into camp. So he threw me in there. And then you. And i were part of a golden era of international basketball. The league had not yet accepted the the international guys away. They do today by the way three of the five first team all nba guys international players. It was it was a new era people mba. Scouts were trying to figure it out. You and as journalists were trying to figure it out and dotty along with being. The guy really started the whole width away. Nian marshall onus deal going back to the late eighties and early nineties. Donnie was a complete pioneer. And even up to the drafting of luca dodge in the last three years so Many great memories and donnie nelson is really He's one of a kind. And i'm sure he's going to be back in a somewhere. But those times in treviso italy i will never ever forget. Because of a not only watching some great players like janas and surge baga and bella nelly and dragen and many many others but just to come rotary. We all had as sort of an mba scouting family. If you will and donna was a big part of that yeah and you know one of the things. I i just wanna shut out donny. Is you know as a journalist. I'm not an nba coach. I was not in a front office. And sometimes seen as the enemy in certain ways like i'm i'm trying to get information about the strath information that they don't necessarily want to give me but dottie would have nothing of me being separated from that i was invited to dinners when they put together a general manager. Mock draft. remember that one day. We're all sitting room and about that. I was just gonna do is a mock draft together. And i'm like this is the single best information i've ever gotten in my life and not only that but donny an and others mentoring me and teaching me. How about the scouting profession. And how they go about it. And and i think there's a misconception that exists a stay and he's part of that old school group that in some ways kind of getting moved out of the nba a certain way. And and i think it's a mistake in not because i'm anti hannah lyrics because i love analytics. I think it's a very important part of the game. But to donny. A lot of it was about relationships and and getting information and understanding the human being. That was gonna be the basketball player. Something that analytics can't tell you. And and this is where. I think donny was genius. He had so many relationships new people so well. He didn't just know what the player could do on the court. He knew everything about that player off the court and was because so many people loved him entrusted him that and he had just a great sense of characters. Well i'm that he was able to get that information and so to me. They're still a big role that that plays in scouting. Because these are human beings that we're talking about and the stats can tell us a lot and you have a famous line about well. Let you share. But they can't tell us everything about what makes someone tick and ultimately what's going to make them great. I totally agree. And you know probably. The one of the most important aspects of scouting is certainly background info. You know this you you lived at your you You know you you what you covered the draft. And i've been burned by it before to darko millage being sort of a great example of that. Yeah well you know. I was just thinking about wait. We've had this discussion on your podcast. In the past about darko milicic but even back in the early part of the thousands thousands we were all learning to translation of a of international kids to the nba. No team really had it down pat yet. That's why there were so many mistakes early. And now because of the resources. Because guys like donnie nelson we now understand why A albarn shin goon may actually translate to the nba. And we're gonna talk about him but we didn't know that back then none of us really do the translation and was ahead of the curve on figuring out what works taking a kid out of the euro and putting them in the nba now every nba team. Pretty much has a feel for that. But we were all pioneers. Twenty years ago honestly donning was at the forefront of that he really was and look. We're still learning there. If there was a formula for all this every draft would look perfect and every draft doesn't look perfect and even teams like the mavs or the san antonio spurs that were on this early and have have been spending decades now doing this. They still get. They still make mistakes. And and so. This is one of the things i love about the draft. It's you and i can have strong opinions about these guys. And sometimes we're right sometimes. We're really really wrong about things and it's it's to me. What makes the draft fun as well and fun to have these conversations with different people. And so we're going to dive into it fran and we're we're gonna talk about international players but not just players that are playing overseas but also some international players who have already made the trip to the united states and whether they're playing in the g. league or or college basketball on their international players that that's becoming more and more common road for some international players to go ahead and make that transition earlier rather than later so we're gonna talk about all of them are actually gonna start there so we're gonna to talk first about some internationally born prospects who have been played in the united states in the draft. And we'll start with jonathan coming up. Who is a top. Probably top five top six. Pick of the draft. I'm not sure exactly where you have him. Slated i'd say most teams probably four to six as is where he of sits right. Now what do you think about coming. I just got a chance to see him. In orlando two weeks ago actually a little private workout which i was fortunate to be a part of just you know nothing fancy just some shooting moving dunking and Of course i watched his g. week. Stop and i thought john hollander had some great stuff on your show a couple of weeks ago about these guys but it's really interesting in a top five. What's to say. There is a five and you know there are some people that have committed to six or seven because they consider him raw. The thing that impresses me about him is that first of all nba body right now all day. Long the kids built. He's six maybe probably to twenty-five no fat on 'em moves well Graceful in many ways for guy that size. I was really impressed chad with his in a workout now. His shooting ability in other words as a coach. I see very few mechanical flaws. I think he's going to end up in a really. Let's say an above average nba shooter from range But i think. I think that there's still a rawness about as game that when you get him on your team. They're still going to be a lot of development. He's going to a bad team. So he's gonna mike we play right away unless the warriors take him at five or six or seven But he's definitely in the mix in that top five. I don't think he's as polished as some of the other guys at the top of the draft. But if you told me in this draft that any one of those five guys is going to end up being a multi time all star jonathan committing. A has that look about him. So there's nothing really to knock about him except that he's probably a little more raw offensively with his ball skills and passing than the other guys but absolutely looks and moves like an nba starter and potential star. And he's a year younger than all those guys which we should point out because he reclassified and and so some of that when you think about development and you have cove the year before yet which wreck some development on. What have you you know he. He should be not as far along as those other prospects. And so that's right so that that makes his floor and little scarier. Then then you know jalen green or cunningham or an evan mobile era jalen suggs. But i agree with you. The ceiling is right there with all of those those other players right now and and let's also just point out that the g. league competition that he was playing against was was a very high level of competition for an eighteen year old. Essentially reclassify loses somber. And then come in and play against men every night men who have been drafted men who were first round picks in the draft. That's a that the fact that he struggled when you think about the level of competition was playing against. I'm not sure you would have struggled that way if he played it. Duke or or kentucky Where i don't think the level of competition they play against was quite as tough so unlike kamanga and jalen green who spent time in g. league of this past year a lot of these first round picks are going to be in the g. League next year commingle gets that advantage of already being a professional player. A kid like jones and other international kid. Young man from the bahamas is a perfect example. Been watching him since treviso three years ago at the nba global academy and his raw upside his tremendous. He's the best runner in a draft. He shoots it from three and he's six ten six eleven but physically will not be ready to to give an nba team quality minutes early in his career. So that g league's going to come in handy for a lot of these guys and and kaisa perfect example I i like a lot of things about him. He's a great young man. He loves to play being around him. He has a feel for the game that a lot of kids that come from the caribbean usually don't have on but at the same time at about two hundred twenty pounds and six eleven. He's physically going to need some time to mature. Yeah jones is one of the most interesting prospects for me because he's one of those guys where teams love the potential but they all seem a little scared. Yeah to drafting. Because they just don't know how long that investment is going to pay off in those of the guys that in my experience typically are going to be higher on the big board on draft night than their draft night draft places but my ultimately for the right team right development then draft. I think so you know again like i. I'm one of those guys that love to find these guys early. Then the the crowd jumps on. And now i'm at the point where i'm not sure he's not going to go to high Because i really see. I had the i think there's a lot of risk lottery reward kyw jones and the question. I have for teams when i talked to. Some of my scouting friends is. Where do you plan. Is he a small ball. Five-man at two hundred twenty pounds. Is he a four man. If he's a does he have any ability to beat people off the dribble. I don't really think so. But he switchable defensively on the perimeter. He's she shows ability to shoot the ball but he's gonna get pounded inside if had if you have had to give him a heavy dose of playing in the paint right now until he grows up and twenty four twenty five. You may have a really good. Nba player but right. Now we're talking high risk high reward and that says nothing about his character off the court. He's a beautiful. Let's talk about franz wagner out of germany who has also been rising on draft boards pretty dramatically in a sophomore season. He's quite young. He's actually the age of most of the college freshmen. This year. i'm as two years of experience Underneath underneath his belt brother mohawk obviously made it to the nba was drafted and As a role player bit role player in the nba. So far i think most people think franz is is a better prospect What do you think about his potential. I you know. I like is pro potential. I don't love it. I think he's going to be a role player in the league. Also i do. I think he had a really good opportunity late in the season. When isaiah livers went down from michigan are arguably their best player. You know franz was probably the second best player but one one. I would argue with that But i know. I i think he i think he's got great length. He knows how to play. He was in a great system. Which you want howard. They run great and ba type offense. He moves without the ball. He's a reasonably good shooter. I don't love his overall athleticism. And i don't think he gets shot off quick enough not to say he's not going to be a first round pick But i'm not as high on him as i see some of the boards have him. I look at franz wagner in a league of four hundred plus rolled wires and say. Yeah i could see him in a rotation player. I haven't done a board yet of my top thirty. But i would have him lower in the first round twenty to thirty very mature. It's interesting about fraud. Because when i talked to him on a podcast early in the year he would have been a terrific player at alba berlin. He would have been one of the key guys. The german week as a young player chad and and i thought his stock would have gone up staying in europe like it sometimes does but actually his stock rose at michigan. So if he's in those first fifteen picks good for him. He's gonna make a lot of money. I see more as a role player. I don't see a lead athleticism. I don't see one skill that he can hang his hat on and say nba starter. That's just me. i hope. I'm wrong. But i love him as a kid. I think it's the the ability defend multiple positions that that is that is getting teams excited. And he's an analytic sky all the way because of his high steal rate in high block rate which are unusual together but are one of the things. If you're wondering why guys get why analytics guys get high on people. i think. Go look if they're still and block raider high together. It's it's something that they really like and it is something that you know for. Example seemed wagner. Play scotty barnes. Yeah you know in the ncaa tournament and give. Scotty barnes some real problems. Because i'm a big scotty burns guy. I think he's he's got a lot of talent there. You know that you know. Those are the sorts of things that you're gonna point too. I think the shot is going to be the swing skill for him for sure if he becomes a thirty eight to forty percent. Three point shooter. I think gonna really nice career in the league if that that number is more like thirty two to thirty four percent then then i think he's more marginal role player. Can i use my mic quote here That it's that's we should at least avenue in every podcast with go for that think. This is the one you like statistics accuse analytics indict but videotape. Convict's that's the one. I like to use and see i. I was watching franz play against ucla. Which was the last game. Michigan played and i was disappointed in was a game. He should have taken over the game and ucla who had a great year but they had that mick. Cronin toughness day Hymie hawks says and johnny dusing and some of those other guys just bounced him around. I wanted him i wanted. I wanted that be his coming out. Party go get me. Twenty four and twelve in a high level game and he didn't do it and it doesn't mean anything that one games ought to be all end all i you know. My personal opinion is mid to late first round. I like him. I don't love him and you know again I like rocky road and you liked bonilla. Said that's how that's how this whole thing works all right. Let's talk about one other guy that is looking like he's going to be a first round. Pick chris duarte. Out of oregon. Obviously one of the best basketball players college basketball this year for sure. Yeah has has this asterix next to his name because he's twenty four years old and that's a real deal not just for analytics people but you're compared to twenty four year old to an eighteen and nineteen year old. They should be significantly better. I with all those years of experience under their belt but nevertheless look at as a twenty four year old or twenty three year. Old at oregon. He has awesome This year what do you think about his prospects. Well the knicks the knicks have a bunch of picks. In that way. I and tom typical is gonna love this guy. Because he's old. I love this kid. I old and he plays hard. Yeah i think he's one of the most now again factoring in the age and we know the analytic deal on this. You pointed out. Younger is better. But i think he's one of the most ready made players in this graph to step in and play a role of being a top eight. I think he's the rotation diabetes which he reminds me of a. I'm going to say this up a poor man's klay thompson he shoots it. He is a very good defender. He has a good feel for the game. And what i say shoots he makes shots wada guys in the draft that shoot it but they don't make shots this kill. His efficiency was off the charts. The shiite absolute offensive efficiency. Yes yes he and he does. I think you plug him in from day. One again now. Are you taking them with the eighth or seventh or six picked. Probably not. But i gotta tell you chad out there like no in attendance twenty and are not worried about a twenty four year old. I think he plays as early as almost anybody in his draft because of that maturity and the efficiency and by the way let me just add. This k- i talk to the oregon coaches. They were screaming about two guys over the last six or seven years. Kid by the name of dillon brooks who they loved to try to get the nba to like and they added on hollinger alert. John holland john. And i love doing. I'm going to be covered the olympics for nbc. I hope canada's in it would applaud their love. Dillon brooks i saw him at the pan am games in two thousand fifteen and he had a swag about him then so kudos john hollinger and the other guy was chris boucher who has made himself into a good nba player. By the way. Chris boucher was older senior. And and so. I see chris duarte one of those guys and by the way kai jones. Mike com for jones. Chris boucher long skinny stretch. Big who can run block some shots and make make three so but anyway getting back to crystal art minus twenty four years old. I loved the kid. I think he's a plug and play guy. You know so interesting. My editor royce web had to correct my column today. Because i referred to chris boucher as one of the raptors young cord. He's like he's twenty eight and so that also tells you a little bit about you know. 'cause you're looking at chris boucher now sort of coming out. Yes twenty eight years old twenty eight right and so that's the issue with with the age when we come back we're going to talk about some prospects that are coming across the pond Who have been playing Basketball internationally with fran for shila. Espn you're listening. Chat ford's big board lockdown podcast. We're i wanted to talk about our new sponsor. Rock auto dot com. It's a family business. It's been serving auto parts to customers online for twenty years. And if you think about chain stores and they have different price tiers for professional mechanics offers. Rock auto dot caused. Prices are the same for everybody. There reliably low. 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Let's talk about the guy who's the highest rank guy on my board. Though it's close josh giddy out of australia. Big point guard point forward exceptional feel for the game. Toughest nails actually having a pretty productive season as an eighteen year old in australian league. What do you think about his pro prospects. I like them. Like i like the big point. Doored stuff he really sees the floor. He's you know he's well coached. I hate to say it this way but those kids are probably going to get better. Coaching than college. Coaches give a college kid. 'cause he's around men pick and roll in in in australia. Chad just like your is really important to an nba. Point guard so he josh has that and that and that is to see over people And again kudos to josh for having a great year as a as an eighteen year old and a man's leaks. I'm one of those people now. My boss. I have a lot of australian friends. Who probably gonna listen to this. I don't think the australian league as is as good as everybody makes it out to be not to say that lamelo ball can't be rookie of the year which he was this week. Here's my thing with josh. Gotta shoot it better. That's a big concern for me. Is that you know you. And i will read the euro camp to mention euro camp again when we had the youngest player to ever come to that camp and i think he was fifteen or sixteen. Tomasa taransky yeah. You remember when yeah doors. And he was very excited about him. We were all excited to see two sixteen year old kid play play at the euro camp and hey he's in the nba in eighteen minutes a game now. But i worry about josh long-term if the shot doesn't come around because then. I think you've got a big point guard who people can go under screens. Playoff of but and again. He's a kid that i'm not sure if he's taken eighth thirteen fifty in that range that's going to automatically step into your rotation. I think you're going to nurture him. He needs to take a step. That is not necessarily a lot of cry level and be a minute so you might see him jumping back and forth but hey at six eight seized the floor. Great feel tough kid. Basketball background family background in this draft. It's good it's a. It's a good pick that you know i would say ten to eighteen range. Yeah like ricky rubio another great example of a of a fee nom who was an afi nominee nba because of that lack of a of a killer jump shot. It's obviously a concern. He's young and you know there's things that you can teach things you can't teach the way he sees the game at his age can't teach that shots do get better for some prospects. Yeah and you know a lot of people throughout ben simmons and say you know. What is this obsession with. Big point guards of can't shoot. Ben simmons actually think ben simmons in some ways is an outlier in that not only has he not gotten better but in certain ways he's kind of regressed at on on on the shot and i don't think it's fair to just point and by the way ben simmons is still very valuable. Nba player because he's whether top five defenders in the in the game and that that's going to get you something but you know that's that's the question for me for me off the jump shot. And he's not. He's not an elite athlete agreed. Agreed i wanna compare to you. Know you're we have a lot of mba you'll at you have a lot of mba with saying to santa ronchi. Who is that why you know. He plays eighteen minutes a game for the chicago bulls. He's been illegal. But you know. Full maas always had that stigma of having a really good feel for the game at six seven but not being able to keep a defense on. So josh josh can do that. I and again. We can't expect a kid like this. I don't care if you played at duke this year or play it australia to come in right away. Take the league by storm but at six eight great field with the game. There's a lot to work with their no question about it all right. Let's talk about opera singer. Yeah is probably one of the most divisive prospects of this raft. He's putting up monster yonkers in turkey and a really good league as an eighteen year old. You can't ignore that John hollinger's pointed out that if you look at the history of players that are that successful in europe at that age none of them wash out in the nba. It's it's a it's a telltale sign when you're able to do that at that high of a level but there are questions about how his game translates to the modern nba where teams want bigs that can stretch the floor. Teams switchable bigs. That can go out and guard on the perimeter. Worse sin goon for the most part right now is playing a more traditional center role. I'm at turkey though. There's there's clearly some potential there for that to be a bigger part of his game. What do you think about ultimately his mba prospects. Well i thought john holliman what was into your podcasts. At john really broke down. Well go back and listen to that. That podcast with john gotti really nailed it. You know. it's funny. When i first started hearing about this kid started watching him jet. I thought what everybody else thought. I said there's no way is translates to delete. This is back in the fall. The more i watch the more. I pay attention to more. I see some things that he does. That are gonna work in the league. You take nick bucci. Who's now a two time all star. Who is really a load inside And he comes to mind. Obviously and his canter chris at a turkish background I totally i think he's gonna make it. I think he's going to be. I think he should go higher than a lot of people have him. I don't know where you have him. But i kinda board right now in my head he would be inside my top ten and one of the things. Here's my tiebreaker chat. I been doing this for fifteen years whenever. I'm not sure about a guy like this. I figure out who my contacts are my former player contacts. I did this with casey. Shaw and devon booker's dad about gallon are years ago because they were on the same milano team. I called ca. I call kyle wilshire. I've talked to a motte 'em by who played at oklahoma. My son was his best man and now is a star and a turkish league and is going to start with the french. Olympic team will be the only non mba starter. Both of those guys. I talked to mont last night. He said he calls me coach. He's a coach. He is way stronger than you realize. He said he is a monster inside physically. And those guys bolting. He will translate to the league high. The i gotta think the analytics are off the chart on him. They're off the chart. Yeah i got it and what he's done to your point and john's point in that league which could be the second best week. After spain in europe domestically is. There's gotta be twenty five nba former nba players. In that week. I saw him dominate. Jonas go into turkey. Sweden match in february and jones is a pretty solid bill kid riding. The kid is going to be a good nba player. You're going to have to figure out how to use in the way you j- you use of it or or and his canter. I think he's better than those other two guys and he actually could be a really good facilitating low post passer. I also think shot is not broken and at some point in his career in the nba. He will make threes. all right. this is this. Is you know for listeners. This is one of the most polarizing prospects i. I've talked teams. That have him like six. Yes seven board Especially teams that rely a lot on analytics. And and what have you. I have teams have been the late twenties and this is very rare at this time of the year. That you're going to see this. Polarizing of a prospect be really interesting to see where he goes on draft night and how how translates one last thing. The kid at eighteen was the. Mvp of turkish repeat turkey. Sleek does luka doncic. Yeah and i'm not comparing them. They're not anything like each other's basketball players but that was the level of production. That look donncha was doing now even in a better league obviously but nevertheless i'm impressive stuff. Use manga rubel plane for real madrid plane for big time. you know. International team can't really get better level of competition Plays play significant minutes as a young man. Defensively projects is an absolute monster in the nba. I don't think there's any question. That's why he's on the floor. Offensively major major question marks about what he's going to do offensively. Where do you have high. I have high when i say hi. Certainly inside my top fifteen sixteen seventeen Again young player at a high level. He's this distinct he has to do. Better one thing interesting about him. That i think is a big plus is later on a second half of his year real madrid. He's actually shooting three and making threes. Which is not part of his game as a player. But he's gonna be an acceptable three point shooter in the nba. If not get all the way up to average but what you love about him early in his career is first of all. Hi motor kid. Places but off Ability to a rebound the basketball he can defend multiple positions including some guards offensively. he's russia's morale he's a role grim. Roller catch lobs and stay in the duggar spot. But for a kid this age with this much energy athleticism as a role player on your team. Second big maybe a small center multiple position defender. I just loved the kids potential as a really good. Nba role player. I got i as people compared him to ginobili and i had lunch with sergio scarring olo the spanish national team coach who is obviously with the toronto raptors about a month ago and i asked him he coaches at. Oh gee said no not that good on the perimeter but can guard bigger guys inside and to me i would say and if he ever turns out to be this good he'll get he'll be a really good player. He's a cross between a quint cappella and ojea. We somewhere in that middle range but defensively chad to your point love. His energy love his athleticism to to really be a good defender. He's going to. He's going to be a monster on. I don't think there's any question on the defensive and is seven foot three wingspan. I'm at six say built. Nba body already nba athleticism. You know probably at this point where you're getting offensively gravy right now but but you know big question. Mark there okay. Those guys kinda clearly clear. First rounders probably lottery picks all three of them yet. Who's your next international guy. Like if if those guys are gone. This is where i think. Consensus breaks down a little date. Yeah who's your next guy You know the guy that. I'm not love with Prodigy from croatia. But because he's six eight six nine job very young again another eighteen year old kid in an putting up good numbers on a on a so-so in associate leak so league. Yeah gas also league. That's produced guys that are now in a league being stars like yoga example but inside approaching an nba player. I just don't know what it is yet like. I'm not sure if he's going to be like a he's basically a four man who can play away from the basket. He's a pretty interesting athlete. but he's he drafted him at the end of first round. You're a playoff team and you want to even keep them in europe or another couple years. Put them in a euroleague with another team. I'm okay with that. I liked joke. I liked the guard from lithuania. Joke abide us better as he translates to the nba. I thought last year had he stayed in the draft. I was kinda hoping he would stay because he would have been a great second round stash. And what happened to joke us this year in jugaris in lithuania heating. Get worse but thomas walk panels the ball a lot at the point at a new coach. martin shila. Who came in from the salt lake jess all city. Jazz did a great job but they had three point guards on a team. But joe biden is if you're interested in him following him your listeners. He's a six foot five with the wanian. Point guard lefty Great and pick and roll pretty good shooter. Pretty good athlete and what i would do if i were a team taking him. Maybe in the late first or second. What i'm hearing. Chad is that he may sign with a team like barcelona and we'll scour tesco moscow right. Those are the two teams that are which should tell you something by the way when those teams are going after him talent there. There's talent there and did all my again. I've heard kept my guy. Kevin pangalos maybe to cesco. But if it's yoga bite us there or to a team like cesco or or barscelona and you have his rights ura. let's say the knicks. They got a second first round pick at the end of the draft in ended the first round. And you're not worried about bringing them over now leave him over to euro week for a year or two. And then you've got a twenty two year old six smart hard nosed tough athletic point guard so i think he translates quicker to the nba than proxy. Yeah and you just might be patient that it might be a couple of years before he works in mba by out and comes over but but but that's okay look when we come back. We'll talk about some of our second round sleepers now with france shila vsbn. I'm chad ford. You'll steph towards a big board and lockdown podcasts. That work. I wanna talk to you about my favorite protein energy bar. It's bill barr. 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We've worked on draft together probably now for fifteen years a lot. One of the things about friend is the amount of work he puts into this Scouting talking to contacts. I've sat next to him on the set where he's got this thick book that he personally puts together with every prospect in the draft. It's incredible brings great perspective as a coach as well and Just just loves perspective right. Now we've talked about kind of all the guys that are obvious first rounders now so. We're going to dive into the second round a little bit. And i want to start with a guy at belgium that i'm really intrigued with. This is a guy that i'm wondering a little bit. Why he might not be higher on boards rafael barlow. Updraft junkies has been on him for a long time making videos about him. I've rinse blind burke out of out of belgium who to me friend sort of fits the bottle of what. Nba teams are obsessed with right now. He's got size. He's he's a good ball handler. He sees the floor. Well he can shoot the basketball. He's a solid athlete. He kind of fits the mold of this six ten three in guy now. He's doing it in a league. That a game isn't isn't the euro league is at the turkish league. What do you think about heavens nba prospect. Well he's intriguing because of everything you said. He's really a six ten playmaking forward. If you. i wouldn't necessarily call a point guard chad. I don't think he can. He definitely cannot guard point. Guards and physically still immature does not have an nba body yet. He's probably won ninety but at six ten. He's a masterful pick and roll player. He's a great passer in half court I could see a team. If he stays in his drab. Take him in a second round and again work with them because he is a unique player. I worry about some things physically and on the defensive end. And i'm not convinced that his shooting is where it needs to be right now. He's made a big jump in his shooting in a year but again at six ten and as good a passer as you'll find outside of maybe some of the top guys at the top of the drive all teams should be taking a look at this. Kid is a second round stash guy The week heard some a little bit. But he's made a big point in euro cup. I believe so. He's he's he's getting some competition air but he had a really good year and he's a unique player. Because you don't see guys at that size be that kind of have that kind of playmaking ability. Yeah the the more that. I watched the tape on him. The more that. I i just wonder you know especially when you're getting in the twenties now in this draft. Yeah why he isn't worth risk. And you know i'm not comparing him to poku but at a certain point you know you take poku because of how you need is even if you don't know how any of this is necessarily going to translate an and his body is way ahead of poku point even though he he needs a lot of work there. Let's talk about who porty big time center defensively. You can see the appeal definite questions about offense. Been a bit of a turnover machine as as well. This year How's he coming along this kid if you if you walk down the street or you saw him at a workout. You absolutely fall in love with them because it seven feet as a tremendous athlete. He's a he looks the part Interestingly he was in a really good club in germany ludwigsburg with a a great coach. There he left there to go to lithuania and play on essentially the worst team in the lithuanian week There's a lot of intrigue about him. Because of the size and athleticism my intel tells me maturity issues and work ethic at an early stage. Delight has not come on yet. But you watch them on tape and you watch him in a workout. You will love this kid. I think he's a feast or famine boomer bus guy Because of the size but i also again You said it earlier intel background information critical when you draft an international die so teams are going to have to really dig in my sources in germany. Say he's a nice kid but there are issues that he has to overcome. I mean work ethics a big deal. Believe it or not you know to be really good. Nba player work. Ethic is a big deal. So the jury's out on him not from a physical standpoint but from how much does he want to be a good nba player. But he's he's there for the taking in a second round. I personally would not use a first round. Pick on johann bagger in a french combo guard elite athlete humming along this year playing in paris What do you think about his nba. Prospect let me practice practice for my all. My radio shows juon begged ron xuejuan bigger on juon baited on and see i've ever ride okay. interesting comes from a place guadalupe which has which is a former french colony of although they still may be part of the french i don't know if they're a protectorate or not. I don't know my geography. Michael came through yes Roddy roddy roddy blah. Who saw euro camp rotatory ops. Oh the one thing you know about those kids from wattle hoop as they come over to france and play in step which john did was They usually very athletic. All those guys. We mentioned very athletic. i am. He's intriguing to me at at his age. He only played this year which is a little lower level than pro away but still a good level. He's one of those kids. I tell people. I turned nineteen in august by the way. He's one of those kids that you see on the aau circuit in america. And you hear he's going to auburn or kentucky. Georgia you go yes. He's an sec athlete. He's built like a linebacker. Great downhill terrific jumper There's a lot of things like about him. he's got really good ball skills. he's not yet a mistake. Free player he does a lot of crazy stuff on the court. That's going to be weaned out of his game. But i gotta think there's some teams that he stays in second round steel at his age. Athleticism off the charts. all right. those are those are those are some of that interesting. International guys coming across the pond and talk about a few second rounders who have been playing college ball international players yet we have. We have a huge following friend. Know i don't know from portugal. Yeah And every time i mentioned niimi is kate My twitter account blows up every time. The entire country of portugal. Right now is hanging their hats on this. So we're gonna. We're gonna talk about kate out of utah state. Who was a really considered. A potential draft prospect as a freshman didn't have a great sophomore year. Came back as a junior to really dominate year. obviously can rebound block shots. You know offensively. There's some really intrigued their questions. About how foot speed a little bit about how he's going to be able to defend on the perimeter switch defender what do you think about his mba prospect You know i i. I happen to like him. I haven't like now one other piece of information between his freshman and sophomore year. He suffered a serious injury so a sophomore year was up and down because he really never got back into the groove and this year he did Seven feet to forty twenty one years old What i love about him in a league again with role players. He's a rebound shot. Blogger rim to rim runner offensively. Not bad at. He uses both hands around the basket interesting about him for a kid to forty is. He's got to improve his lower body strength like he gets pushed off a little bit too easy for me but if you're looking at a big kid to develop in a second round You know great up about what i've been told really good kid. He's not horrible offensively. I think there's room for him to improve second round guy you grab him and you work with them. You g. league whatever but if you could get a seven foot two hundred forty pound kid who has that ability to block shots and rebound like Like this kid you grab him. I like him. I'm a fan of his in the second round jolie i-i-i out of gonzaga who gonzaga fans you know when you have corey kiss berg. Who's going to be a first round pick maybe lottery pick Right at jalen slugs going to be a top five pick in the draft. You know you can kind of get lost in the shuffle. A little bit. He had a really productive. Season comes out of france really productive season for gonzaga. Where do you see him in the nba. Second round I can remember when he arrived at gonzaga's a freshman house up there watching practice. And i swear to you mark few said. I don't think this kiddo ever play for us. He had such a great rep coming in. He was a two time all under sixteen under eighteen player in europe and they thought they swung and missed on him remember. He's a fourth year junior at redshirt year. So he's ready to leave and start his career. I like him. he's a three and d guy. I wish he was a little more physically built. He's a little bit more slight but at six foot five with his pedigree. His shooting ability is defensive ability. You know i. I haven't down here a bike. I like him as a roster spot guy to start his career. I like him making a team. And be an up and down with a g. league franchise but a lot to like about it because he could be a guy. Someday we're gonna end and go to the exotic locale of canada. Where josh primo Who played his freshman year at. Alabama has really started to be a riser on draft boards. Right now he is an intriguing wing player. Who can shoot basketball good athlete. You know took a while for him to get it going at alabama. But he's young. And we were talking about brand boston and zaire williams and all these young prospects didn't necessarily show what we expected them to prima seems to be getting some buzz as maybe even cracking the late first round or early second round. What do you think of his mba to like about him. I just watched as landscape of its career against again. Ucla again did not have his best game. But the interesting thing about josh. Primo is he went to a team of alabama this year. That had a lot of veteran players a lot of veteran wings. You think john. Petty herbert jones guys like that. And what. I love about josh. This is the example. I'll give you with josh. You're kansas city guy at one point in your life. Think of the kid at overland park. Let's go. Let's go bit bishop as uk the catholic school in kansas city. The baseball pitcher who throws ninety eight and he signs a scholarship wetter with arkansas and all of a sudden a team major league draft him in the first round. that kids. Not gonna arkansas for major leagues because of money. Josh primo is one of those kids if you draft him in the late first round or somewhere in a second round. You're getting a long term prospect. Who could be a really good player. He can really score. Ted he could shoot it. He's athletic. he's got size. He can really score the absolute potential overproduction guy. You're looking josh. Primo three years down the road at twenty one or twenty two. And you've got a six foot six two hundred fifteen pound to guard. Who can really score. So there's a lot to like about josh. Because he can put the ball in the basket. He's friend for shila. Just crushed this podcast. I mean if you don't think this guy is prepared. 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Mavs dysfunction, Injury woes, and Sixers collapse

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Mavs dysfunction, Injury woes, and Sixers collapse

"The love post is brought to you by goodyear. Helping you discover the road ahead. Goodyear more driven everyone We recorded the tim. Macmahon section of this podcast before news broke that riccar. Lyle had informed the team he would not be returning as head. Coach of the dallas mavericks. the pod is also relevant and and everything. Tim says there is still relevant. But just fyi on the timing of that thanks for listening and now the low to the low post podcast where we are high on life because the last thirty six hours in the nba. I don't even know what the hell just happened. Kevin durant played one of the greatest games ever and the bucks collapsed. That was interesting chris. Paul went into the healthy health and safety protocols right is the sons were during the conference finals. Something always happens to chris. Does it have to be this. Does it have to be now. Kawai leonard as an acl injury. Stan van gundy. Everyone mutually parted ways. Half league mutually parted ways. It was all mutual. everything's mutual. I wish all my breakup with girls were mutual parting of the ways over the years. It would've been a lot less awkward. Steve and gundy mutual and scott brooks mutual d- in washington. I'm probably forgetting another mutual. That may not have happened. And then and then the philadelphia seventy sixers blue. It's not even. They blew a lead. They they took a big old poop. Great on ben. Franklin's head at center court and and they're now down three to an unlucky was disrespectful. There was no poop in there. I'd glenn davis glenn davis lucky got kyri back for stepping i forgot. I love playing davis. Lucky and then. And then the clippers without kawhi leonard employ. I didn't think they had that without kawhi leonard because their identity is so based on their stars and their best was gone. And paul george showed up. Reggie jackson showed up. Terrence man's showed up and they clippers go into utah and beat the jazz at a. And i'm not gonna lie. I was up to a one in the morning eastern time watching that game and i was drinking in the fourth quarter because it was just that kind of day and i was like. I don't even know what the hell is happening anymore. Let's start out with dallas because we didn't even mention the dallas drummer. That's the mutual. You forgot forgotten. Mutual to macmahon. How are you man. I'm doing all right. Hey listen for the first time in a decade. We're talking dallas mavericks during the second round of the playoffs. So you got some good news right. Yeah yeah absolutely. Some great news Donnie nelson was mutual d- in dallas. He's no longer the gm after twenty four years of working for the mavericks organization. There was apparently a power struggle. We've all heard rumors of this all year. Long between bob garrison the former professional gambler. Now something at the dallas mavericks in donnie nelson. The athletic exploded that into the open with a piece this week. We can talk about that issue. And so that all of that is going on. In in the backdrop of luka doncic now in slovenia is eligible for the mega extension. And so let's just start there. Tim macmahon does any of this effect. That lucas signing this extension right. That's like that's that's going to happen. Yeah i do not think any of this impacts what lucas signs this summer right. Because you're not turning down a one hundred one million dollar deal that you can't get elsewhere. He's not leaving dozens of millions of dollars on the table What this has done is is all. It's it's basically kind of put into the spotlight. What really you knew. And that is luke is not going to be dark. You're not getting two decades of blind loyalty. You better handle your business. Put him in a position compete championships or a few years. Down the line you know. Things could could get messy with him by messy. I mean james harden in houston this year sort of messy and so The extension five years two hundred one million dollars. Go ahead and pencil and the player option because of donovan. Mitchell getting it i believe tatum's getting by the mavericks have no leg to stand on their. So he's going to have one year left of his rookie deal. And then halfway through the four guaranteed years on that on that Supermax extension if the mavericks have not handled their business. Then you know who knows what could happen. But this has been an absolute mess. There's really no nice way to put it And there's a lot of messiness left for the mavericks to to figure out how to clean up and how to deal with your more well connected with the mavericks than i am. I is it fair to say there has already been some trepidation with a new organization about luka luka not being a lifer about making sure luca is happy about fearing that. Luca might leave sooner than they would. Hope yeah But you know you know how this is. I think it's probably fair to say not that. I'm real close to the situation. I think is fair to say. There's that same. Sort of trepidation. In new orleans was i honor. You know we go ahead and pick your you know you have to with these guys. You have to handle your business and put them in a position to compete or there's going to be trepidation I you know. I would say that there are some unique relationship dynamics with luca and to me. Here's where if you get into the concerns about donning out donnie nelson. Essentially what happened is cuban lost faith in them lost trust in them. You know things. Got messy and cuban reacted by fire and donny. That that's basically what happened here and this is not going to be about you. Know bob bulgars former professional gambler term mavs analytics whiz no shadow. Gm whatever you wanna call him. he's not going to get the he's not going to be the president of basketball operations. He's not going to be around the team. Because luca doesn't wanna murata team so that doesn't make sense now. He might continue in that role. That that's to be determined. But donnie nelson and lucas said it at the prearranged press conference. He had in slovenia today was practicing on the slovenian national team. You know he said it was tough on him. he's donnie. Since he was a kid. I mean don has been scouting lucas. He was like fourteen You know and he likes donny. But as luka said. But i don't make the decisions around there well. Luca's going to be able to make decisions that he wants to make I think were were dining was really important Just in terms of the of the luca dynamic is not just the. The relationship had luca but the relationship that he had with bill. Duffy with with luka's agent and look there the mavericks well before luca had had. They have burned some bridges duffy. Bill duffy was steve. Nash's agent cuban had a multi-thousand word blog post blasting bill duffy after steve nash's departure to the sons way back. When bill duffy represented darren collison represents rajon rondo. Rick carlisle had disaster. Those guys had disastrous brief messy contentious stints playing for rick carlisle. Donna was the guy who you know who had those will end and build up his ultimately going to do. What's in the best interest is client. But i my point in all this is i. Don't think that these guys are going to get the benefit of the doubt you give. I don't think they've earned benefit of the doubt with him. So you know all that's a concern and then the other look. They haven't won a playoff series in ten years their roster building since they drafted luka has not been good and so yeah should there be trepidation. Should there be trepidation. Yeah absolutely let's let's step back for a second you said it's been a mess. It's been a mess for awhile. What's been a mess. So donnie nelson finally ended up on the losing side of power struggle and there have been a lot of time. Donny's don his decision making power influence. But here's the thing you have to understand about the mavericks jerry. Jones the dallas cowboys general manager mark. Cuban has that same role for the mavericks. He doesn't have the official title but mark. Cuban makes all the basketball decisions. It just comes down to who's advice as he taken at the time. He took down his advice with luca. Actually i think i think bob vulgarity was also strong push for lucas thousand consensus decision. But you go back to you know. There was a time when dan fake and a lot of people. Consider dan fagin late. Great former player agent when they considered him to be somewhat of a shadow general manager for the matt. White dwight's agent. At the time i believe right in dwight was one of many many widely stuck star free agents who did not come to the dallas mavericks also andres and he had delivered deandra until deondraye changes decision and fired. Dan fagin also was channel. Parsons agent that's right. Chandler parsons in on. And i wrote the a big story on on after the parsons cuban bromance break-up but chan parsons had major major decision making influence for awhile all names. That are important. And we're gonna talk about later in terms of how did the mavs get to this point where there seems to be dissatisfaction with the rosser round luca all of these characters. You just mentioned. Rondo parsons this isn't that they're all still relevant now. And look member gerson roses ninety day quote unquote. I forgot until i just earlier. This morning i went back and looked at every dallas mavericks transaction for the last eight years just to refresh my memory on some trades and stuff and i there it is gerson is hard while i forgot about that one. So just to refresh people's memory on that gerson rosas now running the timber. Wolves basketball operations was insistent. Gm houston the mavericks hired him to be gm reporting to donnie nelson. Basically he wanted more say than donahue was willing to give up. Power struggle ensued after ninety days. One of those mutuals mutual parting ways and cuban explained to the media. They hire gerson roses as the general manager on a trial period at like ninety like like he was a mattress or something. I don't think the don't money back. But so look messiness in the mass front office is not exactly what you would what you consider to be. Some sort of recent phenomenon. Talk to me about bob vulgarity. And the shadow gm. Because i had heard about but just couldn't nail down. The incident did reported about lucas snapping at him at a warriors game. And i've certainly heard murmurs of this power struggle but like you said this is. This is like a semi annual thing with the mavericks to who has cuban rumor mill. I do not by the idea that he is dictating. Rick carlisle who. Rick carlisle one of the greatest coaches in the history of the nba. Play i do the idea that he is suggesting riccar loud should play by the way. Almost every team has people that are doing that one. Do some people are listening to in. Some people aren't but but talk to me about know in bob. Bob myers has been credited or blamed depending on who you talk to for the pick of josh green bay. Which by the way. I kinda likes josh green spot minutes this year. I could see what the mavs were going for. And i would say rick is if rick is just taking atlanta being dictated to them. The rotations are being dictated to them. Jazz scream would have played more minutes. I do think that's safe to say so. Like did he did bob. Bulgaria's consolidate power in it. Sounds like sounds like little finger or something. Yeah did he gain mark cuban's ear so like how other than by being smart i guess well and and that's the thing cuban respects. The guy is information and that. That's real cuban. Thinks this guy knows basketball does really good homework per provides insightful unique data and you know we can go kinda move by move sometimes it gets fuzzy is just was this bob as donny. There was consensus on this one. He's had his hits. He's had his mrs dhillon right wh- that's a pretty big mess when when your team has got major cap space and dhillon right kind of your headliner Summer you know he was pushing for them to try to move up for halliburton this year. That would have been a huge run. They weren't able to to To pull it off But cuban respects the guy's information and that's why he's gained decision making influence within the mavericks. Donnie nelson quickly came to look at bob bulgara's as an adversary things like holding staff meetings and not inviting him. You know the the that started happening pretty early on you know the other thing is bob bulgars. I'm just going to be. Blunt is incredibly arrogant. He rubs people the wrong way. Like if you think. Donnie nelson was the only source in the athletic story or was even a sore. I don't know if he was a source. I'm going to put like this if you're looking for people who are going to you know. Talk behind bob. Bulgars is back with the the mavericks organization. Throw a dart. you'll hit one. It's a dirty business. Sometimes and he doesn't have he does not have people skills right. There's an arrogance about him. And then i think perception became a problem with him and in. Donnie was concerned that nothing. That's why donna came to look at them. As you know the perception the bob bulgars had the power became a problem. And it's it's been an issue for it. Because i do know that players a lotta times will blame vulgarities for rotation decisions lineup decisions. Those kinds of things that they don't like and you know Windhorst past this autumn early in the season another team executive. I was able to confirm it. another team. executive is back when the mavericks didn't have fans in the stands so if you're sitting down a floor you can hear everything. It was a time out. Luca as tends to happen was was pissed and he yells at rick. Who's in charge. You are bob. Well yells at in front of obviously in front of all the mavericks players in front of all the assistance. You know anybody down on the floor here. And then look the luca rick relationship. It's a dicey spend the other murmur. So let let me. Just step back for a second. I have not heard the thing about. Who does the outburst winners told you about who controls the team. You rick. i have not had people. Tell me that bob says arrogant. I just looking at his podcasts appearances and stuff. He's definitely not shy about expressing opinions. I think that's part of the reason that people gravitate today met i dot some rising to me that he's going to rub people the wrong way and by the way it's not the only people the only person in the nba. He might he might. He might not operate with what is the sort of typical sheen of politeness that most people the passive aggressive politeness. Whatever rubs people the wrong way so that. That's that's not that surprising to me. So let's talk about lucan. Rick because that's been the other murmuring all season what what's going on there because my my thing when a hero this is i tell people what what exactly does luca. What in a coach. Because he can do whatever he wants. He wants nine hundred pick and rolls every game. He takes his many step back through. Says he wants the entire offense and he is the alpha and omega of their team. It's literally not possible for a coach to give him any more freedom or control of the offense and rick to his credit realized. This pretty early on in lucas rookie year realized that you know controlling luca was not in his best interest was not the team's best. Interest empowering luca was and so he made that shift based on what. I know it is a. It's a clash in personality. It's a it's a clash in you know. Just not a strong personal relationship. I'm an and look rick. Carlisle think we can agree is one of the best xs and os coaches and league. Rick carlisle in terms of relationship management. he can be quite abrasive. I would say. I think that's safe to say and you know it's not. I don't know that it's even necessarily abrasiveness towards luke although there was certainly some of that early on but i you know i've just given example when luca danni came into the league solemn measury. Somebody i'm sure most fans have forgotten about as she was on the mavericks roster big sala sala the ball. I call them the mitch. Leggett the measures dirk so so wants to. What is this bala. What what does that mean. But the measure and he was a guy who was one of lucas best friends because they had played together in real madrid He was on the real madrid team. Luca came up as a kid who could barely had a mustache Really really close and honestly solid felt like he was rick. Carlisle's jest whipping boy. like in. and. I think when you when you look at this whole situation things like that matter. You know the way. Rick treats other people. I think has created some resentment. With luca and luca i gave the example of. Who's in charge you or bob. I mean anybody who who watches the mavericks bed. Can you can rattle off the top of your head. Numerous times where. Luca has shown up rick in the middle of the games. Whether it's you know yelling at him while he's on the floor about Not call a timeout in milwaukee or yelling at him in the middle of a playoff series. You know motioning to him the middle of a of a playoff game about calling a time out or gets pulled from the game in foul trouble. I think it was game. One against the clippers and stands on the sideline for two minutes. Just shouting at rick You know i mean. There's a long list of those things that the other part of this is. Luca is a twenty two year old. You know hot tempered guy and call it competitive call it. You know immature. Call it some kind of a blend of that His you know he he runs hot and you know he might run hot the rest of his career That that's part of this whole thing as well by the way rick runs hot too and so i i just think there's some natural clashes there but cuban on the record with me the day they got eliminated. Said rick carlisle will return as the mavericks coach. It was not the strongest vote of confidence that ever seen. You know he basically said. Let me tell you my philosophy on coaching. You don't fire you. Don't make a change just to make a change unless you somebody thinks much much much better. You can keep moving forward with what you have. There's no question. I think i think rick makes it to the season opener but rick is on the hot seat moving forward and if lucas ultimately decides he's had enough. I don't see how that is going to continue. Wow that is that is explosive stuff. Tim i mean this is rick carlisle understand. They won a playoff series in ten years. I don't i don't recall. You can quibble with a move here therefore any coach right like a dope. I'm just a dope watching on tv or in the stands. Do recall l. was a great Nba player for a long time. It has been coach for ages. He knows more about basketball than i'll ever know by an exponential amount and definitely knows more than dallas twitter egg suggesting rotations in the playoffs. The grass is not always greener when you fire a coach. It's just not like now. That was cuban steak. And like i say all the time you know the best thing the heat ever did was not give into whatever pressure. They felt from their star players to on from spoelstra. And because you do that you risk becoming the king's where you can't even keep track of how many coaches the owners paying and maybe you don't even make coaching changes. Because you don't wanna pay yet another coach to do nothing on your dime blitz talk about the roster because there's a lot of angst in dallas about the roster just being good enough particularly you mentioned the summer of twenty nine thousand nine when for what feels like the seventh time since they won the championship. They had max cap space in. Came away with dhillon. Right seth curry probably resigned cleveland by that summer. I can't remember all is liba. Cleveland and durham. Finish smith both of which by the way were very good value contracts boban. But yeah you so. So so the angst essentially comes down to this roster around. Luca isn't good enough boy. Does this front office suck. They've done a bad job. Look at all these players. These players are just nice role players and really the the players are just nice role players right but they're good players like vinnie. Smith's a good player. Cleveland is a good player. Brunson second round. Pick good player. I think the issue is that the gap between put the player spots. Two three and four. Just aren't good enough. R- they've done a good job building out the back into the roster its players to three and four dead cap. Space is not yield enough enough enough things. And in the seth curry josh richardson. Trade a trade that in full full admission. I liked for both teams. I thought it was going to help both teams. I thought it. I thought it addressed need the mavericks fan for another wing defender and that playing next to luga josh. Richardson with speed up. His three point shot released a little bit. Which is something. he's talked about. He'd attack off the dribble board. None of those things happen. He became a complete offensive liability in the playoffs. Seth curry is apparently. Now the lead ball handler for the philadelphia. Seventy sixers and shooting the crap out of it So that didn't work but really like this just comes down to spots two three and four not quite being good enough spot to this year. Was tim hardaway junior. Who's a really good player. He's probably a fourth or fifth starter. On a great team spot to is supposed to be kristaps porzingas who had an okay regular season before you know sort of falling apart in the playoffs. And if you wanna talk about what's wrong with the roster it's that section of the roster that isn't good enough and really it's that porzingis wasn't good enough porzingas. Were a real number two. We would not be having this angst and when you look at you know. The hawks are sort of the irresistible comparison because they have trae young and the massive luka doncic. The hawks got one bang-up free agent in booked on bogdonovich would fit amazing in dallas the other bogdonovich and utah have been a free agent target for them to not sure he chooses her life but he's a very good player and then they actually got stuck. The they made a killer trade for capello who the playoffs. Who's been a better player than porzingus. Right yeah and then they got stuff in the draft. Other than trae young kevin herders become a player. Deondraye hunter was a player. Then they dot the roster here and there they just got more stuff in the mavs. Their number two guy hasn't been close to number two guy and just all of the years of just big old nothing in the draft trading out of the lottery trading down trading out of the draft trading pick for rondo trading a pick for odem trading the pixel porzingas which again. That was a fine. Don't mind that all of that stuff using the cap space on wes. Matthews and chandler. Parsons that just became negative value. Couldn't do anything with it. You can flip the all of that trading throwing jae crowder into the rondo deal all of it just starts to catch up to you and you haven't turned enough stuff into better stuff and that's where we are. It's those roster spots two to four that that's really the issue i mean and it's a big issue. I don't know how they solve it other than porzingas got to be better. That's step one well. And and look this off season really. it's about. How do they deal with the porzingas problem and the problem is you need him to either. Be the second star or the ticket to a second star and it's hard seen either of those things and i don't. I don't think that trade was necessarily a mistake and you know what they gave up. Dennis smith obviously was as another drafts. i forgot about. That's a. that's a huge draft missed especially given the donovan mitchell when a few weeks after but you know and then is expected deondraye which had unload in an expiring west was expired and the two picks whatever you could argue even hardaway's justified the two picks whatever it's not the trade and i think when they had a chance to get a talent of porzingas caliber. You had to take that swing especially the way to age matched up with luka so on and so forth the kat pausing his contracts the problem the fact that they didn't know if if joel embiid signed a contract with major engine protection with the philadelphia seventy sixers. How did the mavericks not get any injury protection porzingas. When he hadn't played a second for them he hadn't played a year and a half coming off the knee injury. That that's problematic but still you're still the same spot you don't have the number two guy on the roster and then you've got the porzingas luca dynamic which is awkward at best You know just plain simple. Porzingus is not at all enjoying playing for dallas Put like this. I you know it's not like he's going to storm in their demand. A trade you know understands. He's not net kind of position. But i don't think his heart would be broken if the mavericks traded on this summer. But the problem is what's a trade that you know who's going to give value back for porzingas given that. He's got problems with both knees. His mobility was drastically diminished this year. And he's owed one hundred one million dollars over the next three years on his deal And the other thing. I'll say about porzingis. I feel like the clippers was just the absolute worst case. Matchup for him in the up. Because like the porzingis luca pick and roll whether they're going out to dinner. Not the zingers. Luca pick and roll was highly productive. When they're both on the floor this season they had an elite offense again. Those guys as far as high volume pick and roll partnerships put up the best numbers in the league cornell the second spectrum data in terms of points per possession but the clippers are going to go small. They're gonna switch everything you know bob bulgaria's data as well as everybody's eyeballs tells you that okay. They're small let's feed porzingas and opposed is a really bad idea. So porzingas senate he was. Kp tucker's what i call you know. He's like pj tucker in houston except he didn't help you on the defensive end. He's going to stand in the corner spot up and get a few three point shots every game. So that was that was specifically terrible match up that really kind of Exasperated the issue with porzingas. Being you know maybe say a distant second third guy behind hardaway and it's a situation. Porzingas is frustrated. He to his credit his in view talked but he needs to be able to expand his skill. Set his game figure out ways he can help but he's frustrated of of you know basically being an afterthought and that matchup really put him in distant afterthought status you know i i was reading somewhere looking back at the mavs. Twenty nine hundred free agency other alternatives. That maps fans wanted think it was mas- moneyball dot com. Which is a really good blog. They do good. Work there. Talking about terrence. Ross and jeremy lamb does not Those that doesn't those are nice players. It does not changing your life. It's about porzingis Those are those fourth or fifth guys. Just like what. They have now The clippers were nightmare matchup for poisoning for all the reasons that you suggest denver with a traditional center phoenix with a traditional center. Utah with a traditional center would have been better match ups for dish. The issue is that for that to be the case. He has to play center if he's not playing center. Those matchups are going to be switched to the likely you are in the further. You get in the playoffs. The likely you are to meet an opponent with defenders who can switch between dodge porzingus right even if they have to rearrange the matchups elsewhere and that becomes exponentially easier when the center can guard. Dwight powell or bo-bottle around which or even maxine cleveland. If that's uncomfortable like he has to play the five in order for that. Pick and pop game to sing o almost no matter the matchup. That said you're absolutely right. The clippers the perfect team that just sort of expose him and leave him you know on the side of the floor and then even like he did play center the vast majority of his time this year maxi maxi had a whole ton of health issues from cova do achilles to win that series if maxi is is healthy yeah yeah it's not like the mavericks are bad. Team took the clippers of seven games with kawhi planned out of his mind. The last five of them home but did play center. The vast -ment that since he's been dow's he's been the center of the vast majority of the time so the problem is kp after coming back off. The meniscus surgery was horror indices. That's that's what they discovered that we can't protect enforce now. And you know obviously they had to go zone in that series and you call it. I thought you were crazy when you said it when we did the podcast bucolic if obama and their play zone because he ca just and as great i like in from february fifth on. That's really when the mavericks started playing. Well they were five years under february fifth and then they finish strong from february fifth on the average something like one hundred twenty two points per one hundred possessions with kp and luke on the floor at his read that's historically dominant. They gave up one twenty. That's problematic even the even the kings relate that seems bad. we the remember harrison. Barnes is on the mavericks. You know what salary dumped him to get twenty nineteen cap space. Here's some good player. And so i ask you. This would have been better off with the dhillon right thing. If you want to trace it back you know. They're they gave up second round picks pop up essentially they got. Jj redican street clothes and nicole meli out of that. If you want to trace all the moves. Right and then josh richardson. Would they be better off with harrison barnes or that collection of guys to harrison barnes and and and the harrison. Barnes thing not only i think can you in hindsight say. Hey you've been better with harrison barnes. Who was a. He's a great locker room guy. He's a great community. Dude is he a star. No but he's he's a good player right is he's a. He's a very good player. You i think you can say basketball wives. You'd have been better off doing that. And the other thing is when you talk about mavs messes to the way that trade went down. I these things hurt you when you trade guy and the news breaks in the middle of the game. And he's polling. He's over there sitting on a bench and it's awkward as hell like players. See those kind of things those those things do not help your reputation throughout the lead. They don't have to reputation when players. They don't help your reputation with agents. You know we can sit here and have harrison barnes wanderlust ultimately. He's not a number two guy either and it's funny. Rarely day almost victim of luca being so good so fast like rarely usually the opposite happens. Usually a team gets a good twenty two year old player and we ended up criticizing them for going too fast too soon for flying too close to the sun before that player was ready. Lucas created the opposite situation. Where he's ready and the magic. Oh god we gotta we got start getting stuff now. Even the hawks threaded the needle really nicely with with young and other than galadari sort of young ish veterans around trae young again to hurt her hunter. They got stuff out of the draft at the magic. Didn't get but the bottom line. Is you can talk about harrison barnes. This and that you know the second the second best guy for for them to get where they need to go for luca to be happy the second best guys gotta be way better and porzingas was really good in the regular season. He was really good last season. he was really good. Offensively defensively. you're right. Yeah yeah he was really good in the bubble and even last season now two seasons ago i guess you know after the mavericks really after struggling when porzingas played without luca those minutes became a source of strength for them up to an into the bubble. Now it's like the minutes without lucar precarious. You can barely watch well and so if you want. If you want to be optimistic you can say well. You know porzingis it was. I mean it was a real massive challenge for him physically coming back off of the knee surgery in a compressed season all those things right and obviously the mobility was drastically diminished. If you want to be optimistic it is hey kristaps porzingis actually going into an off season healthy. He's he's gonna be able to work on his body all season work on his game all offseason if he can get back to move in the way he did you know the first year the first year porzingas is actually a pretty significant plus defensively his first year playing for the mavericks the first year. It looked like they've got it. Figured out like yeah. They got to improve here there. They've got to put like did look like this could be because luka was so good it look like okay. They've got the bones of something really interesting and and there was there. Were still questions about whether porzingas was that could be that number two guy but at least the the kind of the scouts executives around league. I talked to there. There was mixed opinion on that. Whereas this point i don. I don't know anybody who's who's firmly saying. Hey yeah porzingas is definitely Capable of being a number two guy on a on a championship contending dane and you know and then what really complicates is. Just the fact. That zinc's luke do not like each other and sometimes you know cuban always wants to throw out dirk jet as an example of a relationship that evolved and those sorts of things you know. Perhaps that happens but it's a. There's a lot of those kind of issues at all different levels of the mavericks. And it's a it's a franchise that hasn't i don't think has been cautious in caring enough about the human element and you know if you if you have a data guy analytics guy who has significant decision making power. That's going to be a blind spot. you know i would say i think darryl boys moves houston or or an example that You know something is something as simple as i always go back to it not having. Jj bray is the fifteenth man on the roster was a major mistake. Their hope was. 'obon can play that role bogan can be the intermediary between luke and the coaching staff and lucan. Kp and those kind of things bulb on is a fun guy. Luca loves him. He's makes great material that you can put on the jumbotron. He's never going to tell somebody you know. Hey this is the way it's gotta be. They didn't have that they hope. Jj redick brings that. It's hard to come in midway through the season and suddenly emerges a locker room leader so they missed all that as well. You wanna remind like the a good team us. Every year and the luca trade is going to be fine. Like like is obviously going to turn out find. He's he's an all time superstar level player. He's going to be an all time superstar player. The mavericks are not the kings or the timber wolves who are in the lottery of rio. You have to credit for that but it sounds like there's a lot going on there. You brought the information today. We're going to be having you back because this isn't going away now at this. There's a lot of things the mavericks figure out a lot of things to clean up but quite go for forty five and game six. We're probably talking about how the mavs matchup against the jazz going into a game. Six of another series. That ain't the way it went down. Donnie nelson gone and things. Are harry down here. Tim macmahon your work. You can also listen to him on the hoop collective podcasts. Where he referees fights between. Brian windhorst and tim bontemps mr mcmahon. Thank you sir. Appreciate brother commercials support for this podcast provided by better help in. May's mental health awareness month in throughout june. The low post. Podcasts is proud to join the cause of these stigmatizing therapy. 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That caused a little bit of a ruckus inside olympic tower if anyone's in olympic tower in the nba about injuries. Being up the season. Mr holmes our you dumas man. Thank you and when there is an injury. There is one twitter account that i go to i before anything else and that's industry close. Mr jeff stotts injury expert. Because i know you'll have the goods on the history of this injury. What the recovery. Time usually is the specifics of some of the goods will have words that i don't quite understand but you are good at making them into english. Everybody your is your twitter. What's your twitter. Handle in street grows. Everybody needs to follow history. Close jeff starts. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Appreciate zack. i've got a credit. You i mean you were a big influence on me starting site. I don't know if you remember what we had a conversation back in two thousand twelve and a knicks mavericks game. My wife surprised me with a trip to new york from my thirtieth birthday to see the mavs and madison square garden. And you and i had a conversation. I was like kicking around this idea. That i've been building this database. And you said do it do it. I think that would be awesome. And so you're the last push. I needed to really dive into it so i appreciate it. Hap- happened to repay the favor. The the information is is is just invaluable. You great job And i really mean that when there is an injury. I'd like sometimes like the injury news broke ten minutes ago. Where's the tweet. I leave the smell. Poor guys like digging through the tweeted. Come on i need it. So let's just do so you know the nba releases so the elias sports bureau releases a stat that you guys you. Kevin pelton mentioned about the twenty-seven all stars this season missed three hundred seventy of a possible nine thousand nine hundred and forty four games nineteen percent the highest percentage in season in nba history. And so that comes out and it makes waves and then lebron talks yesterday about how i told you so. I told you that to condense season. The compress schedule was going to cause a wave of injuries. And of course that's a five alarm fire that's beyond five that's like. The building is burning down at the nba for lebron to do that and so the nba comes out and says well actually in your story and in response to lebron baxter. The nba comes out and says well. Actually injuries are not up. Injuries are at the level. They were last season. Basically injuries in the first round. I've heard about at the level. They were last season injuries. To star players are about at the level. They were last season. Absences of more than five games are about at the level. They were last season. But we're really seeing is an increase in conservative load management. Where guys are missing one game here. One game there. And that's inflating the scams statistic. The idea of whether injuries are up or down. Flat is not all that interesting to me but it's really interesting to the nba. so jeff you've got to database. I'll start with you are injuries up. Well let me let me tell you. I've asked that question every single year. Since i launched the site every year everybody wants to injuries up and the short answer is yes a little bit according to my my data because we're trying to compare seasons don't have the same number of games when i like to look at the number of games lost per the number of games played so that allows us to compare last year's bubble this year. Seventy two game season even the lockout shortened season things that have impact the schedule and look at how much how many games are actually lost. And they are this year but it's not significantly raised compared to years past that being said it was a seventy two game scheduled so the total probably would have been higher or on on pace to be one of the highest given given recent seasons and in how the injuries have trended up really since two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen. And baxter. I think the league would look at that. All-star stat from elias. And say well. That's cherry-picked right. I mean that's this season's specific all-stars. There are other star players who are not included in that database. What is your response to the. Nba's response to your story. I would say that data you know people can look at data any which way and there are. I mean we talked about this before with analytics. You can find numbers to kind of support any narrative but i also think it's not necessarily fair In some ways to talk about like okay there were this many games this season and this season. It's the same. We don't know why people are complaining or whatever because the numbers don't necessarily take into account what is an extraordinary season playing outside of bubble of during a pandemic. The numbers don't take into account. The kobe protocols the commute amount of stress fatigue sleep loss. You know that everybody's been feeling. I kind of look at this in a in a chronological way. Season shuts down in march. And then it's like okay. We're gonna have to get back up and going for the bubble but all these practices are shut down. Their gyms are shutdown. Playgrounds had their hoops and nets taken off with them. Everybody is sheltered home. We have teams are sending workout equipment. How can we get guys in game shape. This was a concern like last year before the bubble in the bubble happens. But it's like okay. You know there's a lot of games happening. There is no Travel going on so they could start wrestling recovery then obviously short off season For a lot of folks coming into december and there were concerns about the ramp. There were concerns about the teams that had been off for how many months that never went into the bubble. The so those concerns were all there. i remember talking to a lot of teen health officials next round the league and wrote about it back in november and they were voicing that stuff the the concerns and fears picked up even more at towards the second half of the season when teams are playing making up a lot of games in the second half of the games were postponed due to cope in the first half and then we wanted to and work with jeff on this and kevin get a sense of like okay. What are the numbers kind of looked like and again. It's hard even looking at some of the numbers because it's the most since this season or it's the most since the lockout well during the lockout the world was going through a global pandemic where we compare it to any other season and this is just. It's been an extraordinary season. A lot of ways. I think that nobody including in the league office went deny that the amount of stress anxiety sleep laws and banged up. Banged up this word that everyone is feeling as at a rate that we probably can't really compare to so. I know that we can talk about numbers a lot. But i think that that understand the cumulative toll from from the shutdown ramp up to the bubble the bubble. The quote the turnaround to this season. You know the protocols everything else know is very very real. And i think that this will probably hold true the short off or the the off season to next season to the To the end of next season and then we'll look back in a few years and see what the ultimate cost was. Yeah we got another shortened offseason coming around the corner. And i think that's starting to dawn on people like everyone's excited for the nba to get back to its regular counter but that involves another accelerated offseason and by the way with tons of guys playing international. Basketball people have already gone overseas to start practicing with their team. Someone is going to go from game six or seven of the nba finals right to tokyo to start playing in the olympics. That's that stuff takes a lot of basketball. My conversations with people around the league team executives and health officials. They have talked about like look when when this season ends a lot of people because they feel so burnt out from everything are going to want to get as far away from basketball is they can't and this is going to be tough because they may feel burnt out physically mentally emotionally everything and then we're going to have to ask them to get ready in a short amount of time for the next season when basketball. Maybe it's one of the last things you want to do. And look we know everybody in this on this pod everywhere else knows that the driving factor for a lot is this money and having season but it was. It was well understood. I think by every party involved. That having a season under these circumstances with all the factors that i mentioned with likely going to exact a physical toll and a lotta people talked about that before the season like we're doing this data season to keep people employed to make up money to have jobs and whatnot but the point that you just mentioned about this coming off season and the turnaround that's the biggest thing in my conversations with people around the league is like this isn't going to end just when this season ends like we're going to carry this toll into next season. We are going to be a load managing guys all through next season. And you know trying to repair whatever injuries already happened. That maybe haven't had a chance to heal and again five years from now. We'll look back on this the span of time and they'll be big question marks about if certain guys blew out you know had whatever injuries and whatnot and it wasn't just the acute affect of so much basketball anxiety sleep laws always other stuff plane during a pandemic so so you bring up two important points number one. The players agreed to this. You know they ca- they can say whatever they want now. Their union agreed to everything that happened. And there's been this conception that is it a misconception. I guess it is that this is just sort of unilaterally imposed on players that they're helpless victims of of the nba's dictatorial fiat. And that's just isn't true. That said i don't think in a case like this. It's a fight between equals. It might be like a sixty five thirty five of the players are just more disparate body with disparate interests. They're harder to reach in the offseason. They're harder to get on the same. I don't think everyone really. I don't think they i. I just don't think it's apples to apples. But but they did have a say. The second thing is the money and you can just say it's greed it's greed. It's great of course like part of. It is greed people like money. They just want money. People deserve business people. Rich people wanna get richer the but you did face a thing where it's like. Do we want to have a business for two years or do we want to have a business. Are we prepared to lose half our business. Are we prepared for mass on employment across media arena workers that those it's not just fat admitted his fat cat donors trying to stay fat but the trickle down effects of like this was a fundamental. Do we want the nba to continue to exist at least over this two to three year window as we have known it or do we want something much less than that and what are the economic ramifications of that going to be for everyone I in my talk with gm's you know throughout the season who were watching It seems like you know guy. After guy on their team suffer it could be soft tissue injuries or whatever and they would be commiserating with their teen health officials or their peers across the league at the end of the conversations. They would say you know what like this sucks. And we are all running down and releasing guys left and right and there's so many blowouts. The quality of play is terrible. And we're having to put backups into starting roles and they're having to play a minute loads that they're not used to and then they're getting hurt and it's just you know the night after night like the play is is bad but we we signed up for this and like we get it like you know. This is to keep the trains running on time. It's to eat the whites on it to keep people employed and whatnot. I do the interesting thing when it comes to health though. And i'd like look. The rubber meets the road when it's like. Is this the right thing to do. But there's also you know with respect to like health and wellness whatnot and there's also the science or sorry the business aspect of it But the they would they would kind of say like. Yeah i i still do like. I understand why we're doing this. Why we all signed up for it. But man i really do wonder like how will look at this down the road you know. And maybe it's it'll be one of those things where like. Yeah we you know we. We lost a lot of guys or maybe some players at short and careers because they suffered x amount of injuries. Or i mean who knows what could happen during the span and it's hard to even tie it back to certain things necessary. But yeah there. There's an acknowledgement from virtually everyone. I've talked to across the board like we're doing this for financial reasons and it really is very hard in a lot of ways and we may regret certain aspects of it down the road. But we know why we're doing this right now as hard as it may be in for me with with tracking the injury data and everything that i've been following for so long. I have learned over time over the decade. I've been doing. This is the more variables you introduce. Just like any any side. Basic science experiments the trickier things get and we've got a ton of new variables thrown at us given the pandemic and its baxter. Hit on the head with the we had some teams our on break for four months. We had rookies. The hadn't played in over a year because their season was suspended. We had guys that had seventy one day off seasons or you know so. We had tons of variables going forward and information. That's really what we need to focus is we're looking at these rates. They might not be that drastically different than last year. But how can we improve knows how we have. Our focus should be trying to pull those rates down. And so what are we going to do. What are the concessions that are we. Were going to implement moving forward. That are to help everybody. That's going to help the players. The staff's the training staff. Zaps the in house serena those kinds of things because we've gotta get everybody back on the beats that that's what i took away from. Lebron's tweet was dot. He's an individual who knows body better than any athlete. Probably in history professional sports. Kino's the beats of the offseason. He knows what he needs to do to be ramped up other players know those same beats. They know they need to to really prep teams. Know that you know. A lot of the teams us we call the acute chronic workload ratio to to balance the low. That's where the term load management came from to balance the stressors placed on these on these on these players and that was all going out the window the moment we had to shut down and isolated. And you could some some at the. They couldn't get access to a court. I mean this is a just an mba thing. Either you look injuries or up in major league baseball this year. Football had some issues coming in So so it's it's not just isolated the nba cumulative effects of the pandemic of everybody. I mean my movement patterns changed. I don't know about y'all but the last eighteen months from everybody's movement patterns to change so we've got to get us back to the beats by making concessions to build building things that control some of those variables that we've discussed. That was one of the nba arguments. That i've found at the very least slightly disingenuous was saying well. If you look at the last twenty months players have actually had more downtime than they would normally have over a twenty month period and my reaction to that was. The hiatus was not downtime. The hiatus was mental emotional trauma and fear physical isolation and. I don't care what equipment the team sent. and how much. Stage zoomed training sessions. The lack of physical did just. It's not the same as practices and games and shoot arounds and to go from that to. Let's ramp up. The bubble is a different thing. And i think the nba and the statement. Do you think framed. It is sort of like well. Look at the hiatus time off. They had more time up to me. That was like i said at the very least slightly disingenuous. I want to touch on this real quick. Because what what you just said reminded me of a story i'd worked on where It would kind of focused in part on the italian nba players and the point when they were here watching their country. Basically be the epicenter of the deadly pandemic and they were. You know you talk about the. I remember talking to them. The amount of calls and stress and anxiety that they felt as they were concerned about their loved ones in what they were going through however long way meanwhile their shelter home. They can't really do much. So yeah the stress and anxiety that everyone felt during that time was extraordinary and basketball. I'm sure for a lot of people during that period. A during this last year is probably when you know the the last things in their mind. I would also note that even when the it's like okay. Facilities are kind of open and and you know varied state to state depending on what restrictions were there. Were still various restrictions and protocols that teams had to fall. It's like okay. You can have so many guys on the court for a workout for a certain amount of time you. You have to be like individual workouts or this or that and i heard plenty from teen health officials in executives around the lake. Look we have guys in gym but we're not able to really do stuff that is going to prepare them to play on the court and for like a game like environment. It's very limited the amount of things we can do. So yes the the your comment about like. Oh it's excellent of time off that time has not created equal. You know it's it's it's just not and it doesn't take into account so many of these other variables Bid jeff is pointed out. It's just it's and this is why i think it's hard to even compare like will the schedules of the same or it's you know whatever. The lockout year was worse again. The lockout year. How do you compare it to a year. That the this past year spencer. I just don't see it. Well so jeff you just nailed it with the last thing you said. Which is i believe the league when they say injuries are essentially flat. I think the data is the data. I think maybe you confirm it one way or another. I believe that data. I just do. I think it's i think it's essentially accurate. The bottom line is it's high whether it's whether it's higher than last season by two percent one percent negative own percent. Whatever it's high and i bet when they factor in the second round of the playoffs like the first round sure it was flat to second round second was going to be high like this is an abnormally large amount of guys that are injured. And you can tell me and yes you kit. Connect eight a b compress schedule injuries in the playoffs. It's not a clean line. Kawhi leonard was low managed. The whole do we know for sure that his injury is because of the compress schedule. Donovan mitchell a fluky ankle sprain thing you know a kyrie irving landed on his foot all of this stuff like there's no through line. The bottom line is this. It's high and we should be trying to make it lower. We shouldn't say it's flat. It's like about on par with other really high data points. That's not good and and the other bottom line is this structure of the season did not help how much it hurt is impossible to know. I'm a dope. I have no idea how this stuff works. Jeff use words. I don't even understand he start telling you anything above ligament like. I don't even know what that means but i can tell you this. It didn't help and it probably did a little bit. How much. I don't know it doesn't mean you could connect the line from the scheduled to every injury that's happened but but it for sure was was not ideal. That didn't help that's for sure. Is that fair jeff. Yeah i think. One of the things. Baxter and i did when we were on his piece that he did was. We looked at soft tissue rates so injuries that potentially can be linked to things like fatigue and we noticed that the trend shows the number of soft tissue injuries. At least for sure the games lost increase as the season along so you had more increase towards the last quarter of the season. And so you know that that's again like you said you can't not every soft. Tissue injury is the same. You have a guy like kyrie roles ankle. He came down. Someone's foot that's hard to predict but some of these non contact hamstring strains that we've seen some other soft tissue injuries those potentially could be linked to fatigue. And things like that. So you've got to look for trends in the data and that that's where like i said now the seeing this data what can we use what. How can we change these trans to go the other way because to be honest you in two thousand thirteen. The two thousand fourteen season. The number games lost crossed five thousand for the first time that i might total and then for the next three seasons it went down. It went down each season and then we had this massive spike in two thousand seventeen thousand eighteen and that season started offer. Reportedly that was the your hayward broke. His broke. this located in broke his ankle on opening night. Jeremy lin ruptured his patellar tendon. On opening night. That was the ramifications of the lingering recovery for zach levinas aco porzingas. Acl that you're Demarcus cousins toward his achilles that year colli was dealing with his final year in san antonio and all his quadriceps tendon issues. So you've had kind of this huge massive spike and it's gone down since then but not. It's kind of fluctuated so again. Focus still needs to be what we see these trends to improve. And what concessions can we start. Making is that i wanted to build on so that you just said in the jeff said With respect to like you know injuries in the playoffs. One thing that i've been thinking about and kind of kept in the back of my head Builds off a conversation. I had with a veteran team official. Who was asking just like you know. How are you guys doing what not and he said. Well you know the second half of the season. The pace of games has picked up a lot. Because we've been trying to make up games that were postponed the first half due to cove it Or kobe related things. We'd been playing a lot more. It's been a long season. The protocols like all these other things were pretty by this point but the games are picking up. He said the thing i'm concerned about is us and other teams are right now. Kind of running on fumes because of the pace of games and all other factors. And then we're gonna come into the playoffs. He's like so. This is the basically the point of the year where the games for most intense. The energy is the highest. And we're kind of running on fumes this point we and we have various players. They're banged up and he he said i'm worried because it's been a very unusual season but we're coming off a stretch. It was especially taxing. And then we're gonna vote right into the playoffs. And i you know he's just like this. We are really going to keep an eye on our guys and this is true for drought. lee said. i wouldn't be surprised if we saw even were injuries because the games are were intense and everything else so again. I know that as you pointed out it's hard to draw one to one things in especially in a year when there's so many especially over the last year there's so many variables and so many things that are cumulative that had built up over time. But i've been thinking about that as i've been watching the playoffs again. I don't know you know it's hard to draw one to one things. But i think a lot of people felt burnout tired. Bang-up out you know on fumes heading into this stretch and then it was always going to be intense because the playoffs always are jeff. Let's talk about the things that didn't happen this year because a lot of the focus on why this year has been stressful as everything that baxter just said stuff that did happen. Lots of games. Lots of tests in the middle of the night or when you get the hotel lots of sleepless nights all that stuff. The thing that didn't happen practice and we tend to think of part of the whole load management teams. Don't practice anymore. Teams have shoot around blah blah. But i keep hearing from team. Sports science people practice is really valuable. Because that's where you build up your your your endurance your body so that it is prepared for what becomes a very stressful load in competitive games. And when you just ask practice i yeah. The players can do stuff at home. It's not like these guys are out of shape. They're seeing in great shape but like does that make any sense like the people that these people are telling me that practice is the lack of practice. Maybe i don't know if it's contributing injuries but it's not helping explain that a little makes sense while i'm going to start by avoiding and alan iverson practice joke completely ran going off there but We are talking to practice so the big thing for me. There is your i mentioned earlier. The cuba chronic workload ratio. So cute is what happened. Basically in the last week a lot of cases and then the chronic workload is rolling average over the last four weeks. Let's say and so you don't want spikes either way right so if you don't have practicing you're able to load your body in this particular way and all you're doing is games. You're going to have these drastic spikes we know games are more intense. You know nothing. Can simulate a game in practice as much as you want it to. So you're talking about these potential spikes. The other thing is just general time right so instead of being in the facilities doing preventative care whether that's mouth actual release rolling out. You know Massage ice heat. Whatever whatever modality the training staff using players were going to get tested or they were doing this. So you take away from the preventative care which is integral in of winning injuries. And then now okay so now. An injury occurs so the training stabs now dealing with the maintenance that injured star as well as the after that entered star so My colleague will carol who of what i do but for baseball he coined the death spiral phenomenon. That's basically where once most injuries occur. The training staffs starts to struggle from the standpoint of bless time is given to preventive care and more time is given a rehabilitation and management of of injuries. And so that lends itself to additional injuries and suddenly you're just over tax with with all these different injuries. So that's where back to those variables. We talked about. Come into play against taking practice out of that attributes to that last question. And i'll let you guys go jeff. This is a stupid one for you. Colli leonard is out with an injury. Obviously we don't we can't discuss civis specifics of it because we don't know the specifics of it but it was reported. I think the athletic had at first that there are fears of an acl injury. So here's my question. What is an acl sprain. Because we don't. We don't know what the injury is. But what i've heard and read and been told as if it's not a terror which we noted acl tear is. It's bad you're out for a long time. It's a sprain could be a sprain. It could be sprain and there's swelling involved and sometimes i guess the imaging of what's underneath there is not always crystal clear so like what if it's not a terror like what probably is. What even is an acl sprain. At what are the recovery time lines like. So let's start with the word. Sprain so sprain is used to describe ligament injury. Any injury areas of tear is a a spring. It's just a high grade sprain so a grade. One sprain is minimal damage to the ligament a to is often referred to as a partial tear so individual fibers of the ligament have actually been sworn and then great three or four depending on the joint involved is generally a rupture complete tear. So we know that it was a well. We heard that it's an acl sprain. So hopefully that is a low grade sprain which means surgery would not be necessarily needed now that would depend on. The stability of the acl is within the joint. It connects your upper leg. Bones your lower leg bones you take your middle finger across it over your your pointer finger. Put that on your knee that middle finger. Acl one behind it is. That's the pattern they do because they cross and that helps with translation of your leg bones and whatnot. It's it's the ability for the if that is sprained and it's mild and they'll grow integrity of the knee is not compromised. Surgery would not be warranted now. Granted that does not happen very much. We've seen a couple times in the nba. Jae crowder did it when he was with with boston. But we don't have a good time mind because he. It occurred a season ending loss in the postseason. The only other example. I have a low grade sprain in the nba. Since two thousand five hundred and six. With jared jeffries who suffered a low grade sprain the preseason and missed five games i think is roughly three weeks overall and he came back and played now he had previously torn the acl. But this was locates in the second time around so the hope is regardless of the swelling. That the sprain on quiet. Low low grades brain ill avoid surgery and potentially could return depending on the associated symptoms and how they feel about the integrity of the knee. That was a very good answer. I feel educated. I also feel tired now. So i'm gonna let you guys go. I know you both have things to baxter. You can read all his stuff on. Espn thank you for joining us to starts. Just indispensable follow on twitter. 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The other who lives in california is very busy. It's very hard to get everyone. What gordon spike asking. How are you oh man. What a night. What just a just never been prouder to be philadelphia. Seventy sixers podcasters today. just unbelievable. so what did you. when did you think they might lose. We were up by twenty six might lose. When did when did it dawn on you that it was a reality. That was possible her to tell so. This thing happens when you watch the way you watch the nba and the way watcher a really different in the you watch everybody. I ended up seeing everybody. But only through the lens of the sixers. Ed because we watched every game for you know eight nine years whatever. It is every minute and what starts to happen. Is you start to get this little feeling in your stomach. Good or bad and you tend to sense things that maybe somebody else doesn't sense. Because you're watching every single minute and i swear i think it was the even in the second quarter. Something felt like unsafe. Now when it really felt bad was the middle of the third like when when they brought 'em bead back in and it didn't or was that even in the fourth when they brought him back in and didn't solve the issue date blame everybody back with like a nine and a half left in the game because it was like all right. None of this is working everyone combat. Joel everybody everyone back. And there was joel. Had a couple of buckets and it looked like maybe it was gonna be okay but it didn't stop the hawks from pushing and when that happened it just you know. I was talking to mike. O'connor who writes. I good good sixers writer and we were talking earlier in the series. I think it was It was game two and the sixers started off really hot and we re they had a great first quarter and at the end of the first quarter. They only had thirty three points. And it's this thing that happens with this team because they don't shoot a lot of threes and even when tobias harris cook in it's only you know two points two points two points and against like atlanta. You always feel like this is possible. Because they just don't score enough points. And i i just. I've seen them lose games that they had leads in before it just like the the horror and the tightness that you could see in their faces last night like they looked genuinely shaken by the entire thing last night. Ben was obviously shaken. You could see it embiid. Embiid was nervous. I never see him tight. But he looked. Tighten the last five minutes of the game I wasn't even sure. Tobias harris had played until i saw the box score cutter like it. It was just four points right. Four points four points to shoot a free throw. Didn't show freak. I'll tell you did she. Freeze ben simmons and trae young. But especially ben simmons so the moment where i thought. Oh this might actually be beat. Be thing that's happening was. When john collins banked in three pointer to cut it to eight in the middle of the fourth quarter from the top of the arc as shot clock expiring. They're all those little moments in games. Usually it's like an offensive. Rebound that sorta hit somebody in the face in the bounce right where we like. Mark that little bit of good fortune down. If this turns that was i gotta buckle up because this is about to get ugly. So what are the most defense or the offense obviously when you are on scored forty two in the fourth quarter. Both ends are just malfunctioning going haywire. But when you're when you're getting your agenda what was a day later. What concerns you the most. It's always been the offense. It's always been the offense because you just in it doesn't seem like in the nba in twenty twenty one. You can be that even the effort that it takes to be as excellent defensively as you need to be to be as as average offensively as they are just doesn't seem like you can keep it up and i mean you know me. I am and my frustration with the team. We were on. You know with the Few months back and my worry has always been and my concern has always been in the playoffs. You need a player who you can give the ball to a guard usually or you know a wing or something like that and say get us a bucket or get yourself into lane get somebody else. A bucket in the sixers. Don't have it. And i just can't think the history of the nba a team. That won a title. That didn't at least have one of those players and watching them like not able to create any reasonable shot for anyone throughout the fourth quarter without going to embiid. Because you know it gets harder to go through embiid. The longer the game goes on and the more at tightens up. It's just the offense was horrible and the offense in these situations was horrible and on top of that. Think about this man. They were playing lou williams and trae young at the same time which i didn't think they would ever. They never did in the regular season. I didn't think they would have the courage to do it. Even with hunter hurt even with reddish or even with hill borderline on playable even with snell getting a spot shift even with all that. I still didn't think they would do it. And the sixers don't have anyone who can make them pay for it. They don't have anyone that can make him pay for it and that obviously both those guys can score. Both those guys can create obviously is going to be hard to guard both those guys at once but the sixers didn't even make it difficult on him and the fact that they couldn't i mean throughout the series they haven't really been able to target trae young defensively and for them to put lou williams and trae young in the same time. It's almost like an insult. It's almost like they're being teased or something and they couldn't do it to me. It was the offense. The nate mcmillan. The gall to cook both of them out there in our faces. Yep yeah to me. It was the offense. Was it the same for you or is it different. Well it's funny because the defense like it wasn't as good by their standards. Obviously particularly the first two quarters eight were smothering like they've been for much of the series in much of the season and you know like lou made some tough shots. Yeah there were some ups and coverages but like he's still made some tough shots. Gallo made some tough shots. Trey got cooking at the end. But he's a great player like there were it was. It was bothered some. But i i talked to some pretty good shot making from the hawks. Aided by mistakes and look tired at the end of the game not challenging shots are under new normally get to but to me the defense it all flows together. I when they don't get stops. That's ben simmons really becomes not quite as useful an offensive player because they can't get out in transition they all the ends together and they have to play a half court game on every single possession. And look you and i talked about it with mike like the sixers have never been my page out of the east this year. That's like the team Kind of obsessed with team but the reason is this game this game was the embodiment of why that was for. Exactly the reason you said in the last eight minutes in particular was the embodiment of why that was and let me let me just so sixers people. Aren't that angry. I the teams really good. And let's zoom out for a second before we go into death mode this using for second you like they should still win the series if upbeat healthy. They're the better team they can go to atlanta and win a game and they have game seven home if they're able to do that the bucks. Do you trust the bucks to cross the street right now. No no nets are a mash unit. The last is a complete mess. Like not a complete mess like well. I mean who knows what we'll have to have. Because paul it's still there it's there's a roadmap that still there. It's just like get it together. That's my. I just had to get the optimism out will but the that's fair but the road that roadmap is there for everybody and the bit the odds except we'll right but i guess my point is yeah sure. There's the problem with the clip out and utah is falling apart and conley's hurt and and hardens hurt and irving serpent could look at the sixers and say hey embiid's plan on one leg and you know they're missing danny green and they still don't have a guard so i think the best case scenario is you could go well. The sixers have six percent chance of winning the title. Just like everybody else around there. Does maybe a little bit less but i think i think it's for them but that game last night looked like the sort of game. That's very difficult to wash the stink off of the data. That's my concern. You're looking in their eyes. That's the way i felt. We saw what we saw. Really when we're talking about you know the lack of jimmy butler type for instance to use the name from the best. I think we saw that. There is a limit even on a hot night to how much you can ride. Seth curry like steph currys of really good player for what he is. The you start being like hey man can we. Can we pick and roll with you every single time. Because that's all we got right now at the at some point that play is going to run into a wall and run out of gas and they just didn't have anything left like they just didn't other than posting embiid which becomes more difficult when simmons and or both on the floor. Because everyone's in the paint just didn't have anything. Well let me ask you this. So beads obviously been exceptional this year arguably the best player in basketball. And one of the things that we've talked about has been the conditioning. That's what everybody's talked about. The thing that i try to. And he he was not the same player in the fourth quarter last night as he was in the first half and he of course the bad second-half in game four. Am i excuse making by saying that. By the way he gets his points offensively and what he has to do defensively to carry the team on both sides makes it infinitely more difficult for him. Even if he's in good condition to be that sorta player in the fourth quarter when you compound it with how much more difficult it is to be his kind of player in a fourth quarter rather than perimeter player. Am i making an excuse by saying he's gonna get tired if he has to do that. You know that's. I think you're being realistic particularly with a meniscus injury that he's playing through and look we've seen it even with leonard like you can't ask why leonard to guard luka doncic and run the offense every single night it's just it's too hard and embiid also like this one of the stories beads clears that he's just made a tiny concessions in how he plays in some of his choice in. Somebody's not but you know he's become a three-point shooter to accommodate simmons key love shooting threes. He's talked about how he doesn't love shooting threes. He never roles hearts at the rim. Because ben simmons is down there like he's had to reinvent his game because of of how their roster's constructed but no i don't. I don't think it's excuse me. Lucky you just have to watch the game. He comes out in the first quarter last night and he looks like he's on fire like he looks like he shot out of a candidate can't do anything with him. Then down the stretch a little bit yet. The it always comes back to simmons. Unfortunately i it's unavoidable. Yeah this is where. I've i've ended up on him is that he. It is clear that he is a really good player is also clear that he could be a meaningful player on a really good team. What is finally clear to me though and has been clear to me for a while is that he cannot be the point guard on a championship. Team he just can't there's just there's just nothing about the way that the nba is now a days especially when your best player is a seven foot three hundred pound center who you know who will shoot threes for you and is a three point shooter. But it's certainly not kristaps porzingis that you are brook. Lopez wants to hang around on the perimeter of the whole time and the the thing that is frustrating to me is the insistence from everyone from ben to doc rivers that everybody else's crazy that everybody else crazy and they're even as far as announcing him as point guard right like even as far as is saying he is. The point. guard has prevented them from obtaining from being in a position where now they either have to trade ben to get james harden they have to mortgage their future to get kyle lowry at i mean they. They tried to trade for two point guards this year and they traded for a third one so i just think that they've put themselves in a position where they have to hedge one of their starters with another starter just because they've decided that ben simmons has to be a starting point guard and it just. I don't think this was anything that darryl could've fixed as quickly as he got in here he i guess he tried with harden but it just comes down to. I can't imagine another player. Another point guard in the playoffs being taken off the floor in closing minutes in important offensive possessions for a like a playoff team. It's just it's absolutely insane. And they're now in this insane situation because of that he used to Like brett brown actually made some hey having set flare screens and do things like when he doesn't like would you don't have to all you gotta do something now. He doesn't have the ball he just does. Nothing and stan stan. By the who. I understand like stand down there. It's not a valueless thing can get offensive rebounds and put back sees a threat to get little dump off passes but it's really hard in the nba if you're on all thanks to stand Hard when you stand near the rim. It's usually you have to stand around the arc for i facing and look. I voted then soon his thirteen. It'd be a last season like don't want to hear about how mean to ben simmons and i hate benson's he was on my all. Nba team last season. So really good player. I voted him a third defensive player year this year. Even though i don't know embiid better defender that he is just a matter of games. Played if you just if you are still in the wall. Why don't we talk about all the good things he does can't we. Do we talk all the time even saying. Why don't we talk about all the good things he does. You're talking about all the good things. He does indirectly it. Stare you in the face. The play offs are like this every year. The boston series is like the toronto series. He had four games of ten points or less. This series has been even worse. It's it's every time. Did i don't know i don't know what you don't pick and roll see. Randomized site is about him. I'm sure zero one to the lowest amount of the entire season for lead sentence. Less when you just watch from the start of the game collins has already decided. I'm giving you fifteen feet like the very first possession. The sixers had ben. Simmons was standing outside of the three point line with the ball and john collins was in the lane garden and making they were making an embiid sandwich colin collins and cappella all that all that does make life harder on embiid and the fact that the fact that he won't see that space he gets compared to rondo. Allot borana would see that space and use it. That's not what ben does benz benz not that sort of player. And when you talk about. Well let's talk about the good things he does. It's almost like if. I said my starting center is chris paul and say look at this look at all he does is the starting center. He's incredible ball. Handler is incredible passer. He's got a crazy. Mid range game is a great spot up three point shooter and you eventually somebody would go right. But he's the center and the center has to like block shots and patrol the lane and you know and set screens. And you're like you're you're missing the point chris. Paul is a revolutionary center. Who doesn't do any of the things that you need. A senator to do but he does all these other things that the other position plays and i'd i'd i just don't think now we're at a point where it is more important. What he doesn't do than what he does do for the position he plays. It's just more important as preventing them from winning And it was a big part of last night in addition to the free throw thing which is he's never really gotten any better but he's obviously shaken mentally on the free throw thing which has made it all worse yet the free throw thing i mean. There's no artful way to talk about that. It's it's it's like when collider gets hurt. Everyone wants to take Bad pass with the clippers. Like the free throw thing is disaster mason. He's twenty each shooting thirty two percent from the line and they're having to take him off the floor because the the hawks are wasting fouls on have. It's it's just a disaster. There's just there's just no other way to say it and look. This is why one of the reasons they just can't afford an even mediocre to bad defensive game because they can't get out in transition if they're not getting stops and if they can't get out in transition he becomes if not a liability on offense and certainly on some nights he is a a just sort of there and you know he's also like this. You mentioned the spacey. He gets used to really cut a lot to like. You can see him get when they would pop joel two to three line and he would catch a pass like simmons defender would shade over there and he would like zum diagonally to the rim and get dunks and we don't even really see much of that anymore it's like some of the verve. His game has been sapped. And they've gotta find a way to get it back and and you know there are ways to do that like seth curry back screens for lots of people have been good for the sixers in this series of digits. Gotta find a way at the easiest ways to get stops but even beyond that. They've got to find a way to get get some juice back. Yeah i don't have a lot of time to figure it out. It's your point. They went on friday. May maybe maybe this game becomes the you know. The spark that energizes them and bring them together. They wouldn't be. It wouldn't be the first time that a favor team got behind in a series came back and won Even when when it looked terrible wouldn't be the first time it just. I just wonder who's going to be. What is going to be the impetus for that like. Who is going to be the player on the team. That makes that happen. And as much as i wanted to be embiid a chest i just. I just don't know. I mean that was a that was pathetic is showing from the sixers You know watch some bad sixers teams over the last decade but that was as bad showing i've seen what's what's the solution to the bench problem because the bench mob is unplayable. Andy tobias plus bench mob lineup which was successful regular season. Mostly because of defense has fallen on its face in this series for the most part like what. What's what are some ideas to shake that up. I always a been a brett brown defender long long long. And i always every time that somebody would criticize browns rotation. I would say well if you don't want that guy in a different guy has to go in and chances are the like. That's worse option. So there's the problem and a lot. A lot has been made of of docs bench. Lineups all bench lineups. He's very committed to them. The bad but even last night when it was bench plus tobias harris. That was bad to the problem that he faces is that it seems like the. He can't depend on anybody all the time so he just plays enough of them to see if one of them will pop and is able to carry the offense whether in for a little bit. Maybe george hill gets a good run. Maybe it's maxi may be korkmaz. Gephardt zabel hot is able to carry it. Docks problem is is that normally or on a championship level team. You would hope that there is another player. There's two players that could carry a mostly bench lineup you to starters could do it and the sixers only have one eye so when that's when that's the issue when it can't be simmons because simmons can't really play with viable and can't really play with dwight howard particularly effectively We saw what happened when tobias harris than it's just embiid woody playing embiid for forty eight minutes. It's like you're only solution. I i don't know in my head. I can look at a lineup with band. George hill You know. I can korkmaz shake milton and and i don't know a danny green debt. Denic not yet. Not simmons at center basically right but it doesn't work it just doesn't work. He he defensively. He gets compared to draymond green a lot in his best. People say he should be like a dream on type. Player or dream ends a lot stronger than ben is and draymond is a lot better of a rim protector than anna's and draymond can legitimately play center when you need him to in the playoffs effectively. Defensively and simmons can. So i don't know what do you think the solution is. I don. I don't see a solution with bench line. I think that might be worth a try as long as the problem is offense which it is and as long as the hawks are not putting size out there. That really frightens you. It's not a great rim attacking group that they have. Although congress last night was a game changer for them the minutes he gave him. I think that might be worth trying. You're right. I mean the issue is really the simmons howard combination being toxic. Because you wanna say well. Couldn't they bring like maybe they should even get really desperate and try bringing him beat out like a couple minutes earlier so he can play with the second unit. But then you're playing light with swiss that lightly simmons or you're just playing blake but you're playing with simmons and and so then you say well maybe they can bring simmons back in earlier. really stable. Dinner playing symington dwight. And maybe you're playing simmons harrison dwight which has been the worst trio on the entire team and plus might all year i it. Maybe it's just seth curry. Can you extend seth curry even more. Just that roving shooting presidency brings i. I don't know that there's a great answer. But i know that simmons at center thing has not been super successful and does not work in real life as well as it works on paper. I think in this series against the kind of small in financy hawks lineup. It might be worth a try. You know but you know what you say this. If tobias harris makes three floaters on the pick and roll that's all you survive based on those shots right well. I also wonder given how simmons is playing right now even if you put him with four players who are capable of shooting in surround him with that. What's he gonna do it right like what what is in our in our mind. He is attacking this open. Middle of the court in kicking it out to guys who can shoot. But he's been resistant to that. His offensive game has really become. He gets the ball he tries to beat the defense back and getting open dunk. If that's not there. He hands the ball off to seth curry in stands by the who. So it's worth a try. I mean it but every time they've tried it it hasn't really hasn't really you know you mentioned hardin. They definitely tried to trade simmons for hardin. That was the thing that happened. It and houston said no i would think and i. I definitely agree if they lose the series. I think they have no choice. But to explore simmons traits at this point right. I don't think there's any way he'd be on the team next year. If they lose this i i i don't know how else they don't know how else they fix it by trading except for trading him. He's he would be the most valuable thing they would have to trade. Maybe the the tricky part is is that i think has value is probably very tricky and specific in very high to maybe someone the maybe that someone doesn't have what you need. Then it gets complicated. Because i i really don't think a lot of people talk about houston making an error trading for what they traded for instead of simmons. I think you could pick apart little things. Like why didn't they. Just keep jared allen. Why didn't they keep But when i looked at package of it. If i wanna rebuild i don't know have is having john wall and ben simmons taking up eighty million dollars of capra is. We're seeing mud last night in this series is one of the reasons why just in case we ever get good again in the next five or six years always shared that this could be a crunch time offense guy but i look at the nuts. Hards hurt with hamstring issues right. And there's been rumblings about his off court whenever for a long time now as he ages durant and kyrie had both been hurt. The chevy houston is betting that this team falls apart in for years. And i i actually thought they did pretty well in that trade. To be honest they got the most possible draft compensation they could have gotten from another team if you're just talking that teams draft compensation right and for a essentially it was down to two teams so i thought they did pretty well. I i definitely think they would trade simmons and i definitely think he's the most valuable thing to trade but i guess i just don't know what the trade is and if anyone's gonna find it daryl morey will will attempt to find it but i don't know he's a he's a tricky thing he's a tricky thing to trade especially if if they if they get their asses kicked on friday night and simmons goes one of six from the line. I if i was a general manager. I maybe i'd still be willing to trade for ben simmons but i definitely think about it more than i thought about it sixty days ago. I have news for philly fans the gm's of the other teams watch the play very close right. There are definitely teams that i have talked to in the last forty eight hours. Who were once you on. Simmons who say at least to me could be posturing and we're a little lesson than than we used to be some of the rebuilding teams have already there. So deep rebuild. It doesn't make sense for them. Some teams have pivoted from their vision. Already i mean. Here's the thing like in the past when you've done these fake simmons straight. It's been like what about susan's for devon booker. Welfare wouldn't do that or phoenix wouldn't do that. Whoever fitzsimmons for donovan mitchell like are off the board that's over Bill was the thing that everyone pivoted to after this after the hardest thing fell off. I mean washington washington. Tommy sheppard watching these games. I and i think the problem you're gonna run into. Is you have to win now today. You can't you can't trade for the thing that the rockets got for heart. You've got to get someone who helps me win right now. And if it's not an all star caliber player joylin b.'s. Looking around be. Like what the hell did you just do it. So we go through the other. Do you want me to go through some fake names just for fun. You're sure sure. Let me be clear. These are fake trades. I just made them up out of all. This is based on nothing. No insight no sources. Nothing this is what the internet is for. The internet is for made up. Perspective trades to talk about. That's there's nothing more fun in sports than made up traits. J. mccollum has on a. I was out of station portland this morning and they they asked me and i said well what about the other guy and they both laughed at. That's the range we're talking about right. That's that's the layer level player. Think they could hope for You know he would certainly make them a better offensive team. I think he would certainly fit really really well with embiid. I think there would have to be another move. Because i don't think that you start him. And seth curry in the same back court. A you're just Seth curry has been obliterated. Defensively in this hawks series. I don't think you can start mccollum. And and seth. But i think that's a name you have to consider. I know sixers fans will be disappointed because even a week ago they were talking about lillard an hour talking about mccollum. But i think you have to consider it Lillard only becomes in play if he demands a trade out of moreland and the market is dried up. And you had a lot of stuff to ben simmons and then then becomes something at least at a meeting about. If you're the blazers i've not even. I don't know even know how realistic it is. And it's been mentioned before but not really for simmons. But a zach levine. Well i'm a big being do that in a second now. I don't think i'm not sure chicago do. i'm not sure chicago. Why would they right. Why would they do it either. Talk yourself into like. We have a perimeter shooting center. So like he doesn't love each post set up a lot for this. I don't they would do it. Because they see the levin extension looming and. They're like. Ooh i i'd he. Hasn't we've ever really ever won with him a but but i don't know we might have a different view of zach levine's career if he played with joel embiid. Yeah we do. We never really won with him. Question may may dry out relatively quickly if there. If he's playing with the the best center in the league to your point and to the point about the lunar conversation we are not even eighteen months removed. Maybe two years removed from if you just had all twenty nine teams and said. What's your best offer. Simmons had as much trade value is embiid because of the health concerns about embiid and because of all that stuff. It's obviously embiid is arguably. Mvp the league. This one is going to hurt you. You ready gordon hayward stuff from the it's man one trade. I always used to koz when the sixers had horford was i was like. Can we swap horford in hayward. Can we do that. Everybody will be happy. And i think if if hayward healthy hayward's helps them more i think it makes them better his his health over the last few years i just man him and embiid a do they ever play a game together if if if they're on the same team but i think that would be pretty depressing for sixers fans for to be hayward right. It would be a good player but that would be pretty depressing. I'll tell you a team that's got a lot of moving pieces to this. Offseason is the pacers malcolm brogdon plus a lot of other stuff that doing for you. I think brogden player we've talked about is heard a lot as well but i guess you know you take what you get. I don't know that brogden is type of player. Who at the end of the game Super thrilled about putting it in his hands. He's pretty good but he's not feel much better about cj mccollum or zach levine than brogdon. But i think brogden is a you know a good player. They do have a lot going on there. Would you give me brogden end Avert was the vert is he up. I might just for the but then symington bonuses is like it just doesn't it's awesome. Yeah this one. This one made me a little bit. Only have serious about it. De ngelo russell. I'm i've been are andrew. Sharps they dangelo russell guy and even during his good season i kept telling sharpie sucks dude. I'm telling you shocks there. There's no way that's real can't do dangelo russell. I can't. i can't be ingram just because of the draft class. You just can't it's not gonna you're just gonna be bowling ball's Into if sixers traded for ingram mike levin would have to swallow a lot of his ingram slander over the last several years. A lot a lot. They're just i think honestly they might either look two series isn't over. Obviously i just think if they ever get to this bridge they might almost be better off waiting for the landscape of the league to change in some way that that end for for simmons's game to pop a little bit but look spike. Somebody three to this. Oh i have your game and everything looks rosy but that last night was what a week in the nba. Just unbelievable last night was all. The news happens all day long. You're out of your got finally got to calm down and watch games and the games are like as crazy as the news. Both of them. Yeah i. I woke up to the paul george game you know. I went to sleep after we did the podcast last night. Just sure that the clippers lost the. There's no doubt in my mind that the clippers had lost. That is that is crazy. I just i know they can win. Games six i just. I can't shake the feeling of game five off of me. It just hawks go up. Tend to in game six. That game's over the that's what we thought when he was thirty. Eleven mavs that's a good point. I the clippers. Look that's why these next two nights or so fascinating the nets in the bucks off in four hours or so in the bucks after watching that loss off tomorrow night. The sixers have to watch that loss on spike. The rights to ricky sanchez You've made fun of me a lot of times. I still listen to it. That's that's the ultimate ultimate compliment and And and i'll tell you this. After this week i might have more than one beer on one one day when this round is over i might have a couple of beers all my goodness two years two years spike asking. Hey congrats on the new job at wfan as well that i grew up at wfan listener that places like a temple of awesomeness in great. 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Nets/Bucks Game 6 recap, Take Your Pick, Giannis' legacy, Kemba Walker for Al Horford & Moses Brown trade

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Nets/Bucks Game 6 recap, Take Your Pick, Giannis' legacy, Kemba Walker for Al Horford & Moses Brown trade

"We're all shopping for essentials online these days and now you can get rewarded for it with the bank of america. Customized cash rewards credit card. You can choose to earn three percent cashback on online shopping. The essentials have never felt more rewarding visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright twenty twenty one bank of america corporation to first things first. Thanks for joining us this morning. Bucks win and we've got a game seven set for tomorrow whose legacy is most at stake. Meanwhile luca in zion are both unhappy. Campers could be on a new team by next season and tom brady and patrick mahomes share this year's madden cover with that. I'm going to bring in kevin wild alongside brandon marshall and nick right. Nick since grade was so gracious. Gracious to share the matting cover. Perhaps you could also share some super bowl rings. he asked many. Your guy only has led to the fans some of the chiefs fans out there the go. We're not starting the show with the show over okay. We're her son. Kevin wild sierra longside brandon marshall. Start this morning in. Milwaukee nets box game. Six jaanus in. Chris middleton clearly with a sense of urgency from the opening tip middleton ended up with a game high thirty eight janas had thirty in the bucks. Lead wire-to-wire in this one they get the win and force a game. Seven here with steve. Nash whose arms were not crossed during the press conference on what went wrong last night. We didn't look like we had a tone of energy all night. you know. i think we wanted it. We just couldn't find it and when you find that rhythm it makes it even harder so some kind of chicken. The i you know is the the rhythm. Because you don't have the energy or the is compounded because you don't have a rhythm self was just not our best gaming. The bills his moment simple. That and nobody is going to be easy. Yea might be hard but We are we capable of doing it. You know so. Everybody's my said was certain. Everybody came to play came to compete and That's all i can. I know for my team. Motley game seven and Game nick was gained. Six more of a dud from glenn just great execution from milwaukee. Sorry i'm a little distracted by janas hand. I feel like he should do every press conference with his hands in front of his face. What the hell is. That's why he's called the greek freak got twelve inch fingers all right now to the answer. Listen brooklyn isn't just outta gas. They they ran out of gas a few miles ago. Kevin durant admirably pushed the car trying to get it to the highway exit. But now he's heaving on the side of the road. I i didn't think milwaukee played great last night. Brandon middleton played great. I've thought janas played pretty well. And i thought brooklyn looked so exhausted and so spent and you have to be the generic. You actually also to specific brandon marshall. I think concerned that. What are they going to have left in the tank for a game. Seven right they have been. Milwaukee led wire-to-wire brandon. But it was brooklyn was always you felt like maybe they could get there and they cut it to five in the fourth quarter and because of that nash played katie and harden once again almost the entire game until he waved the white flag with the form at the four minute mark so i think this was more about brooklyn having emptied the chamber in game five and now we'll see what they have game seven because they looked like they were on bad legs last night. Yeah the books again shooting. Twenty one percent from three. They struggled in different areas. But you hit it on. Hit middleton was absolutely phenomenal this do look like katie The the the nets nets man that was brutal to watch. I'm not gonna lie to you. Watch that game. You just knew any minute or any moment. That team was going to take off the bugs taking off the nets. You had katie. Who did his job. he didn't go. He didn't go over and beyond. He didn't overcompensate like he did the game before but he did his job. He kept them in that game. James in actually contributed a little bit more but james harden need to get hot from three. Obviously he can't move the way he used to move because of that hamstring. He doesn't have that burst but he has to get hot from three. He's creating space out during the perimeter and he just has to hit these shots if he hits the shots in just a little bit more you may see them in in control last night and then moving forward and game seven you may see them and control joe harris again joe. Errors has turned himself into ben. Simmons and i hate the status. But that's that's that's what we're witnessing. Joe is now twenty. Two are ms twenty two shots from three last twenty seven shots from twenty twenty two of his last twenty seven shots from the three point line. That is a problem joe. Come on man. You need to step up eighty. You need the help. You need to contribute. That is embarrassing. Yeah when you're joe hairs you gotta do a little bit more. You literally lead the nba in three point percentage. And now you're just disappearing. Yeah yet listen. There are a lot of lebron fans out there that are saying to kevin durant fans. Hey have you met kyle korver. Because his name's joel harris the league leader during the regular season in three point shooting on the playoffs. You rely on and you get open shots and nothing and wilds. what is interesting. About joe harris. Is they needed. From joe harris. What jeff green gave them in game five so hard if you look at hardening as the combined off into performances game five hardening katie combined for fifty four points on fifty one percent. Last night they combined for forty eight points on fifty one percent now granted. It came in very different fashions. But those your two guys combined for about the same points on similar efficiencies. The difference was in game one game. Five pardon me. They had eighteen assists combined because the other guys were hitting shots. Last night they had ten assists eleven turnovers combined so it really was hardened enough scoring to offset. That didn't have an all time. Great game but no one else from brooklyn could give them anything. They had one bucket off the bench. Same with milwaukee by the way until the garbage time and they just had no juice. Okay so i thought the story was jaanus. And here's why. I think janas pulled off the hardest thing to do in all of sports if i ask nick say what's the hardest thing to do in sports like hit a baseball hall. It's a round ball with around that or maybe it's it's hit a hole in one in gaul or thread the needle in the nfl. Not it's not. Here's the hardest thing to do in all of sports home basketball. You know it. It's when you're defender says shoot that shoot. I'll give that to you and then you don't shoot it. That's the hardest thing to do and janas wasn't able to do it for the first part of this series and then finally last night. He's like you know what don't shoot the ball on. Don't shoot the ball. Can we show kirk goldsberry stack containing if we have it up. Look game one ten feet. This is average shot distance game to eleven game. Three twelve game four basically nine game five nine last night. Five point six is shortest of the playoffs. Great job kirk so nick. I thought that is discipline. Was the story of last. Night's game blake was trying to give him any everything. They're trying to bait him into taking that little foul line jumper. He was either driving. Or just kicking it out. And i thought that is the recipe for for. Excuse me milwaukee win the game also. There's no one down there. They still don't have a rim protector. So this is still working just like it worked in the regular season. And that's why. I think milwaukee could end up winning game seven and i wanna get brandon's take on this because brandon always mentions these books. I apologize. I don't remember their name. I feel like warrior athletes. One of them. Something like that. You need warrior way way of the peaceful warrior. Something so but it's about it's about the a lot of them seemed to be about the mental and psychological side of sports and brandon before these playoffs janas had a fascinating press conference. Were one of the things he said he was like. Yeah i can't promise you were talking to be different than last year. I don't know i hope it. Who knows but the other thing he said was. I need to make sure. I don't get too high on the highs and to low on the lows and what we've seen in this series brandon. Is there have been two where janas should have been or would have been low. They were down by forty nine in game two. They lost by thirty nine points and they came back one game three and then game. Five jaanus fumbled it away down the stretch and now you're seasons on the brink and katy lick you on fire. And he came back again. It really feels like he didn't let himself brandon get too low with the lows and now we hope after game six isn't get too high with the highs. You can't do it. You know like i always tell the younger guys one of things. I used to tell myself when. I play when we win. Or if i have a big game. Don't hang from the rafters. You see guys do all the time like they want. They hit a game winning. Shot in game seven. Close out game. And then they're dumping all on the score or on the scores table and energy celebrate. And you can't do that every single moment every single game and when you lose don't hang your head you gotta be even kill your entire career that the hardest thing to do i never mastered it but you hear you on this talking about it all the time so absolutely because those moments when it's a closeout game for you in everybody's saying well you're not even a number one. How do you go from a two time. Mvp back the band time mvp to now saying you're not even better than chris middleton. That is a debate. Happening other shows not Our show but there's other there's other shows talking about. He isn't he best player on his aid. So that's when that turn that into high not get too low kicks in. I will say this is before we go. You know nick you brought up something. As far as guys you know the nets being spent. I saw one guy last night jeff. Green uncle jeff. Green was terrible. He just wasn't getting back now. I love you uncle. Jeff greg thank you so much for what you did you gain five but man i need you to rest up because we got close out games that game seven. I may doughty twenty five. I don't. I don't mean to be rude here because i could've played college. Basketball's been following the nba. His whole life but brandon is getting his first taste of what we call the jeff green experience celtics fans got it got it got it for half a season with the cavs and it's like jeff green number five of the draft born. He can go thirty and then the next game. It's like jeff green blade. He was there really eight minutes. I love you so yeah we just don't know why don't forget you let them. You'd have a jeff. Green jersey apec backed up on the board. At one of these superstars is on a new team next season. We discussed next first things first. That's game encapsulates. 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Pelicans may want zion on a new team. So brandon lot of news here to breakdown. Which star is more likely to their way out. Luca or take. This is an easy answer for me. I'm gonna take all of the family matters out have been i'm gonna take the basketball out of it. I'm a. I'm a leaning into the personalities we get zion williamson who's from He's a little country boy from south carolina's martinsburg k. He's soft spoken. He doesn't he's a superstar but he doesn't carry himself as a superstar. What do i mean by that superstars. Got a little bit of superstar. Got a little bit of a whole list in them and so when you think about that. You look at luca you like. Oh you have a little bit of that in you. Have that little bit of mob mentality where you're like you know what on the court i can. Switch the switch on right. I can go take your head off and so when you to answer this question. I gotta go with luca. Because he has that he's a nice guy never really met him. He seems to be a nice guy. Seems to be a nice teammate. But he also winds a little bit. He also powell old. He also snatched on other guys out there on the court and that his teammates the opposing team. So i gotta go at luca for that matter at luca. Has that superstar diva little bit of eight. holy you know mentality. So here's the thing brandon. I know you said you've never really met luke. I obviously haven't met him. I raised them. Here's where you're wrong. Not that nice of a guy. Actually kind of a jerk takes after his dad very good at this job. Not everybody likes him. Kind of mean time. You didn't you didn't want to insult my son. And i appreciate the. However the reason i think the answer zion is because i trust the mavs organization. I don't trust the pelicans organization. Pelicans just hired stan being gundy. Nope that didn't work and with respect to stand in who everybody adores. You know how i knew wouldn't work. I watched detroit. Oh no not going to work. So i just think the mavs have a longer track record of stability i think cubans a good owner. I think the front office they have left are very smart people. i know. Luca's upset listened. Donnie nelson was in spain scouting luca when he was fourteen years old. So i understand the affection there. But luke also not unhappy. They got rid of carlisle. So i think it's probably about even for luca. And i think zion. It's just tougher new orleans unless they start contending immediately. It's a small market. It's always going to be tough to get free agents there so it's one of the two wilde's zion. Yes so i'm gonna think it's i think it's luca by a hair neck. And here's why just on this these right here. New orleans just needs a coach and to steal one of men genie's favorite phrases if they get the right coach. I'll say chauncey chauncey can go in and be a force multiplier in change everything in be cool. What happened in dallas. Because you've got the harare. Bob thing you've got donnie nelson out and then rick carlisle just basically leaving when mark. Cuban kind of like felt like it was unexpected so that one just feels more chaotic than hey. We made the wrong higher. We're going to get the right hire for you. Does that make sense. It makes sense. I just think i i look. I'm going to be a great player. maybe winning. mvp luca. Luca wouldn't be the best player that a team traded since kareem light. Lebron left on his own. Katie left forced his way out. Veal you know so. It's i just think embree bring will give up before he can do too little. Tim percent bitcoin. Maybe a little bit going. S something a little hard to lanka stamp texas A sixers hawks game six tonight in atlanta hawks lead three two brandon. There's your guy. Mbp go sunday. he's also your guy. You like six hundred hawks. i'm gonna go with. I'm gonna with the hawks look. I'm thirty nine minutes away from state farm arena in this going to be rocking tonight. I call and i was like me now. We would love to go to the game and they said it was ten thousand dollars. But i'm not playing ball anymore. I'm not making that much money. So that tells me that you're going to have the migos. There are talked to cam. Newton cam newton's courtside. And i know it's going to be rockets. They are deflated. the philly is done. I don't know where tobias got trae young who's just a just a savage. He's gonna fight for nothing. I don't need wild. I got the sixers but go ahead. Listen i got the sixers while sixers four game seven. Go ahead wild earlier. This when brandon was at his facility he added visitor come in and he was shouting off to someone on the distance. Yes tell the chef to get my friends and food. So i thought it was gonna go that way. We're not said. I thought somebody who did you call. That's just a random person. Wouldn't courtside seats. You should be proud of you. Said no i save albert. I'll give them to the migo. Please cyber wearing a wonderful. Start with the weird. Hey this is the second triple play the yankees pulled off this year. is that a normal triple. Nope just another example of terrible based running this guys in the middle shortstop you. Someone should be safe here. At least one person should be a awful play. I'm gonna call the yankees highlight. Because i'm in optimistic mood for friday but overall is a terrible terrible blake polo blue jays. Moving onto the wonderful. Hey you. I don't like the shift but manny machado is out there and right meal somebody else. Oh hey sorry chef. You're like you great way. My manny machado. I don't know how you draw this off. The you're keeping score. Grandfather problem is. He passed away anyways back. We're raised man vs randy rose arena throws his bat. This bitch way outside the base it. Hey it's a good. It's a good job so great job rainy reason. That's the weird. And the wonderful national pastime. Take you up. Take down to roller coaster. When i'm hosting back talking the honest legacy behind the line tomorrow night game. Seven head to brooklyn next. This is first things first wild migrant. Welcome back thanks for joining us back talking nets box janas milwaukee dominate last night. Game six greek freak attack the rim finished with thirty points seventeen rebounds led from start to finish to win and force a game. Seven tomorrow night in brooklyn nick. What do you think's on the line for you honest tomorrow. Not much just everything. Just as coach's job of the front office guys and how. He's looked at as a player. And i want to talk about iana says a player here because it is we've sometimes swing the pendulum to far and after game five swung too far against and it speaks to how good he is that last night he had thirty points and seventeen rebounds in a must win game on sixty percent shooting and i don't think anyone thinks he played great thing like. Oh yeah you play very well. Played pretty good. He had thirty and seventeen in the biggest risk. And we're like. Yeah that's about what we thought he would do. But he wasn't a signature moment. A but here is what jaanus can gain with the victory on saturday. Because you look at the east philly is down in the series limping literally and metaphorically and with respect to the hawks. I don't think anybody thinks. The hawks can match up with milwaukee size and now west. Who knows what the hell's going to happen is done for the year. Is he going to be back in a couple of days. Is utah gonna win. What's going on with chris. Paul uncovered protocol milwaukee. If they win. Saturday i you could. Credibly say become the favorites to win the championship and wilds. There are a lot of great players. Who in route to their first championship. Their toughest test was not the championship for michael. It was detroit. They beat them a bunch of times and then finally dispatched them. And then the finals was a walkover against portland for shacking kobe. It was portland. It was that seven game war against portland. For their first title and then it was a walkover in the finals for lebron. It wasn't the thunder who the beaten five. It was boston who they were down. Three two against and lebron played the finest game of his career. And then a damn good game seven so for jaanus if you if you win saturday and it's like oh you beat the defending eastern conference champion annihilated. Jill last year in around one year then took katie's best shot harden came back and you beat them in around two. maybe you play embiid. Maybe you play trae. Young around three eighty s. There is all of that there for the taking and brandon. If they lose. He's going to be on almost assuredly another new head coach they're going to try to re tweak the roster and they're gonna say we hope next year is different so everything's on the line for him. Yeah but i'll be honest with you. Nick them moving for them. Advancing for me won't be respected. I mean you saw wah who they were and games one in games two when when when the nets worse semi loaded. They didn't have. James harden. James horan played forty set in this series before. He came back when he wasn't supposed to and they got ran off the court. So when you look at that. I can't respect it and unless we get the hawks wrong then i can't even respect that. The hawks are playing great ball. Know nobody pick the hawks to be a contender this year. So go on. These beat the hawks. And then you got the you got philly philly ben. Simmons and two buys averaging five points in the last couple of days. I can't respect it. Now here's the deal. What's on the line. The narrative the narrative two years ago that you could potentially be the best player also like you said the coach being fired. That's a big deal. That's tough as a player when you play. And then all of a sudden you see guys being fired and in packing up their stuff literally pack up their stuff and walk out the building and you can look at us they you know what maybe if i caught that ball or maybe if i had a couple of extra rebounds still be here so the big deal. You're honest don't wanna carry de throughout his career knowing that but is a guy that stood on the table for them. They have a great relationship and he may be fired. Because of your plate you in developed quick on quick eating quickly enough to help your team contend for a championship because that's what it is and also the last thing. Wiles is the fear factor. I don't know if guys fair them anymore. I don't know if anybody fares him. You know like we know what you are one trick pony nets it so you know. There's there's some things that lose. I don't think it'll be respected. If they advance yeah. I know people definitely fear the deer but it is a good point. I don't know if they fear janas roll off the tongue. I think nick his legacy is on the line. Because you can either be tagged with the winner hat if you wear the winter hat all your flaws. Kind of go away. Like he's a winner though. He's a winner. Old tim tibo. He gets the job done. He's a winner. What he can't do this this doesn't matter. The guy's a winner janas hasn't been able to wear that hat and until you wear the winner hat or the winner. Crown memory have a little imaginary winter crown. All of your flaws are prominently on display the lack about shooting the fact that you can't go home at the end of the game the fact that you don't really have a post game the fact that you can't shoot free throws the fact that you're on the free throw line for too long that all kind of falls by the wayside it's like but you know what the guy gets it done. The guy wins so if he wins we don't have to talk about those flaws but if he loses all those things are going to pop up and wow he's the most incomplete two time. Mvp this league is ever seen. Yeah i agree. But i also think brandon's point about he won't in the in the here and the now. There will be a lot of fake asterisks attached to a lot of potential this year but over the time line of history those fade away and the guy who is as one of the most underrated players of all time moses malone. He's a three time. Mvp who did also by the way did not have a complete game was just a physical monster. But he's a champion was a champion one of the greatest teams alongside dr j. andrew tony and others and it's like oh there's nothing missing from his resume and your essentially your three rolling the rest of your career after that. I also do think that a championship this year. Which obviously you have to win games seven and then when a couple more rounds might unlock a three or better yet. Honest moving forward. Because you don't have that added weight and pressure on you. But wilde's i want to go back to something because we all talk about bud. And how buds job is on the line. It's i don't think anyone in the front office is going to be fired in. Milwaukee wanna make that very clear but if they win then a lot of this. Offseason gets papered over lecturer member. They had dom bogdonovich who right now is playing great for a team that is still playing and they blew it. They just they. They got leaked too early. The league stepped in now. He plays for the hawks the other thing that i can't believe more people aren't talking about. Is this this offseason. They had to go get a point. Guard chris paul was there. He went for over a rubio and one. Now chris paul i think preferred phoenix and he was gonna do right by him but milwaukee preferred the younger jrue holiday. They traded four first round picks george hill and another player. Eric bledsoe to get through holiday. If they lose you look at it and say guys. You think you'll to loss. If you had chris paul or would you be the favorites when we're seeing what chris paul's doing because it's not like drew has been brilliant. This postseason so it is on honest to make everybody look better to make bud in this look better to make the front office in and no one up and down off season better like all of this is on because it has great middleton his this every time it's a what's happening i'll tell you what's happening license you just you've rusher on him you buy for for year. We're i mean kevin he. He's been on bud for year. Now since i've been on this show in probably longer than that to me. I put more blame on janas than bud your superstar in the nba. Warren guy could impact the entire outcome of of game in the nfl. You need auto let all eleven all twenty. Two you seen superstars do before have we just seen it. What game five k. D. katie and a half help from joe hairs now yet. Jeff green stepped up and a monster game. But you had katie. Go for forty nine points with that type of team. Banged up james harden out there on one leg and they win so when i look at the nba in situations like this. Yes you got. You got bud. That could've done some different. Things changed things up but man. I'll put more on honest than i do. Bug a. k. o. I put it all on us. And here's the thing. Nick and i know we're up against hip but i'll throw it to you real quick. This is your best chance. This is like he thought he could beat the big right now. You've got a big one and like one another the hamstring on one in order. Yes this is it. this isn't like all. Let's get them next year next year. The team's going to be twice as good. So this is your only opportunity. If you squander this it might not come around again. Eighty is going to be very hard for eighteen that loses to the nets in their current state to look themselves in the off season. And say oh. We'll get him next year. You'll won't like this will be your best chance and so wild. I agree with that. Thanks new saying that every time off medals thirty to eleven last night colonel. That's loss no metal durant nick who did a better last night. Well the bronze medals going to surprise some people because the bronze medalist in an unprecedented occurrence for metals. Didn't actually play last night. The bronze medalist is let me explain. So i got a tweet from someone's talking about trae saying i don't know why nick right has turned on my son trey and i'm like oh this guy does the bit that i do with luca where you claim. Someone's your son who isn't so i. Click on his palm like. Oh not a bit. This is trays actual father. So i responded. Like hey when i turn on your son. So he responded as well. He's like yeah. I don't know you were always making show the tweet. You're always as you said he should have been the number two pick out oklahoma. Not sure why. You're so hard on and listen to mr young in detroit. Two points one is when. I say he's infuriating to root against. That's a compliment. That's first of all second of all when i say. He hung spouse because he hunts spouse. It's a good strategy but it's maddening so trey you get a bronze medal. Because i don't want your dad me anymore. Silver medal to people that actually played last night. Janas you honest. The silver thirty and seventeen. We just been a long time talking around. And we don't need to spend much more dot amazing first-half good second half but eight of nine in the first half seventeen points and then the gold medalist best player last night. Chris middleton every time the made a push. Wild middleton answered with one of these jump shots he was fantastic. Play to stop iran. Yeah absolutely he also had a. He had vowed on a three pointer when the nets cut to five which was massive. Shaw james harden like drawn fouls three. Who does that huge. James how you take from just missing the garbage. You know what time it is. Donna says time with this great. I'm not this went in when when don't hits in the net looks good so that went cow so then are eight more garbage time. We'll get windmill and blame. All promise also didn't count follow that midcourt. So the nazis good try yet junks one. That didn't go in one that didn't count but still you got missed the cut woman on. Hey tom brady off. Turn this off here the new madden cover not bet. Sportsbook has over reading mahomes at ninety eight and a half radiant ninety seven nap. We'll talk the cover star quarterbacks next on first thing burke tomorrow on fox cardinals braves white sox astros or reds padres all starts at seven eastern on fox and fox sports at check your local listings with the game in your area We've got some super six. Don't miss your chance to win. One thousand big ones a big papi's money during the cardinals screamed braves game tomorrow on box. Download the free to play. Fox bet super six engines about maybe aren't as seventy nine for your shocking win under the tickets are still ten. Grand sorry brandon. We got breaking news grading kemba walker and a first round. Pick to oklahoma city for horford moses brown and a second sir. Nick what do you make it straight all right. So this is a financial move. Kimble's got two years seventy-three million left on his deal. Horford has two years left on his deal as well but the last year is only partially guaranteed workers. It's two years. Forty one million so the celtics save about thirty two million dollars of that against the cap. Obviously they sacrifice a first round pick to do it. Kimball won't be an oklahoma city for long. They will move on prestige. We'll figure something out in prestigious ongoing quest to one day have every first round pick of draft. He now has three in this draft. Thirty eight over the next five drafts. Don't move kimble for another pick or at least some or second round. Pick something what it means for the celtics wild your team is. This is the new. Gm brad stevens trying to undo some of the mess. The old gm. Danny aines left it. So i i think that this is. It's unfortunate for kimba and brains. You talk about this. His body's not right is kim was not a bad player yes but he's laid so much with a bad knee that they gotta move on. While i've i feel like i'm being town. This is this bitter sweet because this was supposed to work out kimbe is charlotte was phenomenal. They make this move. And now you're talking about. You could potentially have a big three brown tatum and kimbe in that needs as derailed. The whole operation that they tried to create what those three guys but i actually liked it when they made this move two years ago. So i feel like it's a bittersweet moment and being town while it's because this was supposed to workout. Yeah i like campbell is yukon guy. I'm from connecticut. So i have like fond memories account and i hope he continues to heal up and had a great career. I want to kind of connect this to the patriots. Nick because we saw the patriots. Come out of disappointing season and once free agency opened up. They started making moves aggressively in the last week. We've seen a lot of coaches being moved. We've seen a lot of executive transactions but this is the first player movement. We've seen it makes me think. And i want your take on this. Do you think there's other big moves coming from brad stevens. The fact that he was quickly able to move kemba. Do we think. And you know what i'm talking about. Do you think either. Tatum or jalen brown is going to be on the move. Or is someone a new big free agent or trade coming into boston yet. So here's the thing. Boston has never been a free agent. Destination al horford is actually one of the only free agents to opt to go there and then he left to philly and now he's back i don't so i think this is what brad stevens trying to do. I don't think. Tatum and brown leaving. Ever or i shouldn't say ever but no time soon. I think they are going to be there. Brad stevens understand that with both of their mega extensions kicking in that cap space is dwindling. And so your flexibility is dwindling. So going from kimbe salary to a lower horford salary next year and then a far lower partial guarantee the following year gives you some flexibility wild. The guy who could be moved as marcus smart. He's on a good contract he's valuable. That's the move that i would think boston might make but tatum and brown or not going anywhere. I know you love marcus. Smart but tatum and brown or around. What are you going to do. You need the just you need that guard. The locker room that dame dame lillard can take care of the toughness of the team so dame can really be the the fire up your game. Lillard south marcus smart. Just put a call. Hey all right. we're gonna talk a game seven more. go they'll to serve. Jaanus milwaukee discussed confident now is confidence has grown throughout the show. I know wireless then game six. They had win for some seventy and they did for brooklyn. They got thirty two from k. D. but arden still not honor percent. Still no kyrie. Obviously sir nick. What will be the biggest key to tomorrow's game seven. Oh listen i think which teams complementary players are freaking out less. listen game seven is unlike anything else. In sports there have been a lot of parallels in this series so the twenty eighteen conference finals in the east cavs celtics. We talked lebron played. Forty eight is the second best player was jeff green. Katie played forty eight in game. Five second best players. Jeff green the final game dusty can fact check me on that. I think the final score that game. Seven was eighty seven seventy-nine because nobody could hit shots because they were also tight so the question here is brandon in to me. Twofold one is how many points. What's the minimum katie has to have for their team for the nets to win. You said you think he can score thirty five. I think if he doesn't get to forty they got no shot. The other question is will drew holiday. Finally make shots will pack. Didn't make some shots. John is the same approach. I think the nets are outta gas brandon. I think the game looks a lot like last night. I the bucks lead at wire-to-wire and i think it's ugly with a lot of shots. That's what i think's gonna happen. What what what. Boys can't hit shots because the nez defense is so good. It's been so amazing know. Here's the deal so look let's the ran on the side. Durant going to do what he needs to do. would you. From james harden his him to shoot early issue often and get hot. We know his quickness isn't mayor because of a hamstring. We need to see james hard and contribute out there from the perimeter. We need those shots. Go down and then you have a joe harris joe harris. I thought i was playing around when i said that. He literally turned himself into ben. Simmons here's a here's a here's a graphic for you guys look at. I'm being honest. Look at this. Med of the last twenty seven shots jaising. We're talking about twenty to miss. This is a problem joe harris. It's the thing i like about. Joe is that he's still aggressive. He's still shooting and that's good. He can continue to tap into that. It has the fall you. This is the dude that led the nba from this year forty seven. Let's go joe. Can i tell you how unfair sports are all year long. I am banged on brandon about the nets. Being terrible how. It's going to be leaving the nets defense. Might hold milwaukee send ninety points because they can't score is the death of energy away from the.

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"The goodyear knows the importance of keeping momentum as you head down the stretch. Momentum starts with movement. It's pulled from the air like a contested. Rebound momentum builds with steals and fast breaks and is proven by deep threes as the shot clock expires momentum. This how we changed the game and now it's time to discover where it can take us goodyear more driven. Welcome back to the jump. I'm rachel nichols alongside that's nba. Champ matt barnes right there welcome sir. That's the undefeated. Marc spears in the flesh. We're back in the studio and of course our senior writer ramona. Shelburne back with us as well. We got the full plate for you guys today. We will get into katie's historic game five and a little bit but we gotta start with a eventful day of nba news. And that means starting with the clippers who announced kawhi. Leonard is not only out of tonight's pivotal game against the jazz with a right knee. Sprain is what they're calling it right now but he is out indefinitely now remember. He appeared to tweak his knee during the fourth quarter of monday's when he sat out the final. Few minutes ramona. You were the one reporting on this story for us as it broke. What can you tell us about this injury. Well this is Causing concern rachel. I didn't think he was all that injured in the game because he came out. He was sitting on the bench. There is no trainer attending to him. He wasn't on the injury report in the morning and he talked about it and he said i don't wanna talk about it. Next question mean damn find next next question yet. He said i'm fine next question. Yeah that's what we heard after the game. Yeah he seemed okay answered. A bunch of questions seemed to be an okay moon Last night. I kind of got worried that the the situation that they got bad news on on whatever imaging they had done or tests they had done during the day. The fear rachel is that this involves the acl ligament in your name. They're calling it a sprained for right now but they need to do more imaging to determine how severe this is because when you have an injury in game at you know this it's swells up the next day and it's hard to determine exactly which ligaments are involved here how serious this is so right now. They're calling this right. Knee sprain But they need to do some more tests to see. How severe this is. I think right now. The clippers are prepared to be without him tonight and and most likely for the rest of the series and look. Let's see how severe it is especially in. Acl you want to err on the side of caution so he could be new. Hate to say to be the playoffs and look we saw again. I think we'll the kevin durant experience in the finals. A couple years ago looms over every decision every nba team is making now right. If there is something that looks this could be bad involving an area of your buddy. Where oh my gosh. We could have long term effects that could knock you out not just for the rest of the playoffs but maybe for a year or two time line gets longer and longer that is some of the concern was saying nah. Just go out there and play. It's such an important time of year. Matt we know now on the other side by the way that the jazz is mike conley also algal night. His hamstring of course has been keeping him out for a while now. I don't know if the jazz saw he was questionable. Original antonoff the jazz. The clippers injury report were like. Maybe you don't need to rush. Mike conley back. That's just me speculating. But matt what do you think that the clippers need to do their at least tonight to rally around their team. Right now You know paul. George is is one eight now and he's been playing well late. You just hate to see this because quite has these guys plan so well. Although they went two old down to they've come back and convincing fashion the last two games and really have everyone thinking that. They're on their way to the conference finals. So this is a huge blow to the team but one good thing for coach Lewis has buried deep team. Obviously you can't replace a guy like one or two players but by committee. Hopefully they can get some of his numbers and the defense or presents he normally brings every night mpg. He averaged twenty six when five more shots. A game terrence man. This is your time more senior. This is your time. And i'm looking at hotels in salt lake city for the west finals right park city or dow choirs the reason why there. Here's he is. They're they're superman. And he's been so much more aggressive this series into the end of last series. Like i think paul has it in but we need to see some Special performance from him like we saw from kevin durant last night for the clippers arrive in. It still might not be enough and i mean by the way we need to see like what we saw from kevin durant last night. That's a nice sentences right. That was an extremely historic performance. A tall order and by the way from a guy who is considered possibly the best in the game right now. I'm not sure that. Paul george a lot of that should be put on his plate as well. We'll see we have to move on because we have so much that happened this morning as the atlantic first reported chris. Paul has entered the nba's health and safety protocols. The official line is that he is out indefinitely. But here's what we know about a time line according to the way. Mba rules. sit right now. Of course they've evolved. If a player test positive for covid he needs to go into quarantine until either ten days passed or he can produce to negative tests that were taken in a twenty four hour or forty eight hour span and then even after that he has to undergo cardiac testing which usually takes two days because there is an observation period in between now there is no difference to this part of the policy if a player was vaccinated or not however where the word g is chris paul vaccinated. How does this affect things has come. In is that in general people who have been vaccinated and then test positive for covid have either extremely mild cases or a symptomatic and therefore produce negative test more quickly. That is just what is happened with research on the vaccine so that is where chris. Paul's possible vaccinated status comes in again right now. The only official confirmation is he is in the health and safety protocols so we don't have more official information than that but ramona. You have also been doing reporting on this. Where are you with what you know about chris. Paul well i think it's going to have to come from chris. Paul okay when we get into situations like this. There's hippo rules and and whether or not somebody's tested positive. But as you said rachel if he has been vaccinated he can move through these protocols much more quickly and i think the because the protocols are any different. It's just that he should pass those. The the best example i can give is we saw with the new york yankees. What happened in that situation where they had one person who had been back to me. They didn't there was a breakthrough infection and he was. He was a coach on the team and he had he was symptomatic. And there were seven other players who actually tested positive completely asymptomatic and they had also been vaccinated. This is what we have seen with the vaccine and this is the real world and this was interesting in the nba. This year is we're getting sort of a real life science experiment or because the vaccine was tested amongst people who weren't getting daily tested like the nba players are even if you still have to be tested. All the time and so players are getting vaccinated may not even have gone to the doctor or may not even gone for a test to go to find out if they have covid but because they're in the nba do these daily tests and so it's going to be an interesting for all of us to watch but swept wing. They have some time. Here yes well. They're definitely rooting for a game. Seven ten other series. Push it the next tuesday. I heard a couple of months ago. That the sons were one of the teams that worked. We're we're excited to get the vaccine I don't know how that change and everything but the nba is also pushing the players for their surrounding people And chris has a big following a very strong family. Like they want everybody in your circle to be Fascinated to. I don't know if they could require that. But they certainly pushing this but man my my prayers to him because we still have to caution on the reality of this is bigger than basketball. You know damon leigh golden state. He got the johnson and johnson and he ended up getting it and he was out a month even though he had gotten a vaccine so I hope this isn't the case. I hope this is short. Thing and My prayers for him that this is not a big deal that we see him play. So yeah i mean i got a chance to talk to christmas morning He is back stated. Obviously frustration on this is like mattioli do is go to games practice and come home. You know what i mean. So i just don't really know what's going on. So he said he has to as you said continue to get tested until he's cleared but just it feel terrible for chris. I mean his playoff track record. Tally is has been so injury riddled and just bad luck. And then you see in the first game of the playoffs. this year. He gets a stinger in a shoulder and can't shoot. He fights to that has been playing amazing leading team. That didn't make the playoffs last year to the western conference finals. And now he's in the safety protocols so again. Hopefully this jazz clippers jazz clippers series. Go seven games. Chris gets the protocol fast because he had vaccinated and we can see him back on the court for game one of the western finals this morning. Is there anything else shared you feel comfortable time. It was just it was just his. His energy was down. He was sad. You know what i mean. He's like he. This is the hottest team in the game. He's playing arguably the best basque play basketball career. He's leading this. Young phoenix suns team. Just hit his. His voice at his energy was just very sad so i just really felt for him this morning. Well we certainly feel for him. His family who is dealing with this and by the way you mentioned the new york yankees situation. We don't know if he's the only person on the phoenix us right. He's gonna end up with a positive test doesn't necessarily just mean him now the fact that they have not all been together i assume since they ended game four right. Everyone lives here in los angeles lives in here in los angeles does a pretty heroic job as a dad commuting back and forth with bracket practice yesterday right. Well yeah and. I don't see in that practice. I don't know if he was a light workout. Money told me it was going to be a light workout saying who knows what they all got together. Yes monty williams said that. He doesn't even want to address. Game one status for chris paul until we get closer and get more clarity. Which makes sense. Because we don't know when chris will be able to produce those two negative tests which is what he needs for the first step again. There is then cardiac testing afterward. I was on the phone with office three minutes. This show and trying to get a timeline on how long that takes it usually takes about two days because they have to have that observation in between now does those two days mean that the second test happens on the morning of a game and he could play in the game. It depends on which day it depends on correct when he clears that second negative test and when the first cardiac tests can happen. There's just a lot we don't know yet. What we do know is what you just said. Matt is that chris paul. Who's pretty bad injury luck at times when it comes to the playoffs especially in the last five years is having really bad luck again and stinks. It's stinks for the game and his stinks for chris. Let's move on to another huge breaking news story because there is personnel. The league and it is not stopping. We've got to coaching changes. Standing gundy with the. Pelicans scott brooks with the wizards neither one is with either of those teams anymore friends because they have all parted ways. We also learned that. Donnie nelson is out as the mavericks gm. So let's start with stan. Van gundy the pelicans announcing stand out as after one season as head coach van gundy was thirty. One and forty-one whoa jr and andrew lopez reporting that potential candidates include assistance. Jacques franck may daca. Charles lee and jason kidd mark. I'm putting theresa with name. I don't care whether it's in the report or change should be considered. Tell me why you don't think it worked out between stan. And the pelicans. Stan was in a bad position from the beginning because there was no real training camp because it kobe. There was not much time with the players in the off season. Like you would get time in vegas. But everybody had that but he has such a young team like his top three scores. Twenty three and younger. They didn't have any shooting he. I did think he helped progress. I am by moving into point guard. They lost too. Many close games They they had too many turnovers. And ultimately i think there was a disconnect and a lot of ways what him and somebody young guys and that's got to be tough for griff because this was his first real big higher right To hire stan and bring them in the general manager of the pelicans in order president of pelican so where do they go next. Yeah i i do agree with you. I mean zion's close with witherspoon. Let her come in and show. she's worthy job. I think at minimum. She's got to be on that staff next year. I expect her to be on the front bench if she is. But i'm starting to get rum about charles. Li i think really impressed them last year when he interviewed and per i think right now if i had to put my money on it At books assistant i think marketed on the head. I think it's the disconnect between stands old school principals and this young team. I got a chance to play for stanford two thousand nine and ten and he's just great but then old school type of basketball coach and that's not a knock on him just the game progress so much that i i said from the very beginning. Not that he's a bad coach but he's a bad fit for this team for the reason. That team is too young for his coaching mentality. In style so unfortunate situation for him for griff for this team. But you thinking about. It's going to be heading to Be on his third coach at the start of his third year. So that's never a good sign you walk. Consistency and stability for this young team specially because like mark said their top. Three scores are under twenty three years old so they need someone. This next higher needs to be a very important heart. Because hopefully it'll be there for you know five seven eight year. Run to how many coaches ingram had. Actually i mean it was a consideration here and you have to think about the quick trigger of just one season and look the conversations have been going on between management and for a while. This didn't just happen when rachel I think you made a really good point about this is the closest. I have felt that there would be a female head coach in the nba. This is the closest. I think it's come with run here in new orleans and then becky hammon is going to be interviewing for several different jobs We clarify theresa already has a position in the organization. She is close and well liked by. Those players are ready to and okay. And i'm i'm just encouraged right because this is the closest it's come well i don't know if she's going to get this job but i think as you said she should be on the staff I think becky's becky's interviewing for jobs. She's she's in serious consideration for a couple of of the jobs that are out there. Right now I wouldn't be surprised to see her. Get either the job or being the finalist round for several different. Open right now. I mean we have seen so many coaches come through the nba. Head coach. interim head coaches some of the people who haven't gotten a shot before and we're talking about assistance. Who are on the bench former players who have worked that worked their way. You don't rise for being a former player. These guys have worked their way up through other staffs. And i'd like to see them. Get a shot important to bring in new blood. I think we kind of keep recycling the older coaches in the snug in a not a knock on the other coaches. This game is just not where it was. when they were in their prime coaching. You know players get out of their prime coaches get out of their prime sometimes so this new fresh blood player blood whether it's male or female. I definitely think we're on the brink weather. One of these two women get a job this year. I'm saying within the next two years one of them definitely be a head coach and then we're going to set a new president in the nba. But i think it's very important to start recycling the same old guys you know. There's a reason why they keep getting moved on. Just like there's a reason why older players keep having who and they try a new guy there in new orleans. It's tough that's a tough situation because it has there hasn't been any consistency with someone there. So you're taking a chance whether it'd be a first time head coach or female. It's going to be a big chance. But it's something they probably have to do. It's just new orleans and stick with us but we're gonna discuss through wizard situation why they couldn't come to a deal with scott brooks and who might replace him there. We'll get into it. Good you knows the importance of keeping momentum as you head down the stretch. Momentum starts with movement. It's pulled from the air like a contested rebound momentum builds with steals and fast breaks and is proven by deep threes as the shot clock expires. Momentum is how we changed the game and now it's time to discover where it can take us goodyear more driven all right wide reporting. Scott brooks will not return as wizards head coach after the two sides failed to come to an agreement on a new contract brooks coach washington for five years making the playoffs as the eighth seed this season. So look after the strong finish to get to the postseason mark. You've done a lot of reporting on african american coaching bandits and why this league needs to make much more progress in that area. Where do you see that fitting into this search especially in my hometown of washington dc. There's a lot of argument that they should have a black head. Coach as argument for auto positions as roy was a seven dow could be. I'm not gonna speculate on other jobs and look what's going to happen in atlanta so a bidding war. That's my story right now but In washington like it has to be somebody that could fit in with. Ross and bill to me and i know people don't like to have players and part of the process they should be. Both of them should be. They they are the franchise and they. You need somebody. I think it'd be unique to have players being in the room when you interviewed these guys to. They don't wanna give them too much power. But tommy shep you want you need them guys happy so i think they should be in involved with this process and look. I've written about these guys a lot of times. There's a long list of black assistant and current coaches that are worthy for sure like i was a little surprised that this can get worked out because we all know that scotty brooks gets along really well with russell westbrook But scott need security. If he's going to stay yeah so they weren't going to give him security if it was just a what well we say for another year. Then i get. I understand why he leaves just a tough seat to be in. There's been so many big pieces coming and going. How do you really have any stability gained ob. Obviously you want that as players. But you wanted as a coach too. So you're losing someone like john wall's hurt for two years at brad's in and out. You get russ tough situation. Scott brooks but i really like him. I would keep robert pack for russell westbrook though keep him. Thank you for joining us breaking news. Day ramona oh is into the rescue. Thank you very much sort will be back a little bit later. We'll be back talking. Que did voiceover artist. I'm here to explain bottomless. How do i get a cross free refills on fries drinks. Well here goes bottomless at red. Robin means free unlimited refills on the fries and sides that come with every burger or entree that means free refills on steak fry. Sweet potato fries yukon kettle chips garlic fries broccoli side salad soft icees fred. Eleven and even root beer floats offered fire into your appetite does nailed it Welcome back to the jump. I'm rachel nichols i'm still here with parnes. Marc spears and as you just saw in that recap. Kevin durant played an absolute masterpiece. Last night. he went the full forty eight. Minute scored forty nine points to go along with seventeen rebounds and ten assists every bit of it was needed with kyrie irving out. James harden hobbled the entire game. Matt was this katie's best career performance in your is. This is definitely one of them. I mean he's had some pretty amazing performances in the finals to he's got finals. Mvp's under his belt but considering all the outside noise normally we don't care but the outside the so loud now with social media at how much people talk and so much reporting katie win in answer that bell. Forty nine point steph. T rebounds tennessee's will his team to win but also hats off to james harden. We can tell early that he didn't attack the basket one time so we knew he wasn't healthy but i think his presence is a calming presence out there got them in the offense made some key passes down the stretch for and assist but overall man katie has answered the bell. He is the best player in the world. And you just love to see it I think that finals game when they shut down the cleveland and got three at the shot over lebron james. Here's a game winning contender right. Yup but i called mike brown. Because i'm doing a story about him. Coaching the nigerian national team. He mentioned the two thousand seventeen game. The warriors went up to three. Oh against the jazz katy at thirty eight and thirteen. I think the difference. Is he also had steph curry next door. And you didn't have kyri and you didn't add james harden and so for them to put for k. d. to put the team on his back like that special special performance because that like it he definitely I it was him into miracles last night and he made it happen another teen. I got a chance to talk to katy after they Talking to everybody this team sources. You got the people. But he was. He was just very confident. Just like you know. All we have to do is go out there and play basketball. You know what i mean. And that's what his mindset is. He's always someone who is so razor locked in That he just had to get the rest of his team to believe that the some role guys haven't been as key as they normally are. Those guys stepped up last night but just overall just the belief that you can do it. Obviously being at home helps they're gonna have to go back on the road now. A lot of minutes for him played every single minute. You do you worry about that or not like coach. Nash said this is the playoffs. And we need it so Going to be interesting to watch the rest of the series. But it's been fun to watch. I did say on this show yesterday. If i had to bank on one player in the entire league and certainly in that game to have a huge game. I'm putting my money on kevin durant. The choice was kevin durant janas. And i said no disrespect tiana's who's phenomenal but kevin durant to me is the guy i would put all my chips on and after this game. Yes well heat. I like when people prove go out and prove me right But johnson's coupon set after this game. Katie is the best player in the nba. Now and this is a conversation. Matt you and i were having just a couple of weeks ago right if you had to pick to save your house if you had to draft. Nba players. who would be your first round. Pick assume that everyone is healthy. Everyone is the current age that they are now. Would you pick kevin durant i. It seems like that is the answer in you. Also gotta think he'd heard a lot of chirping because pg tucker had a good game physical and he ought to off nine kind of remind me when they said that room patterson cope stopper and cope said. Oh really so. This is kate katie and have to say now that he just came out improved but to the point. It's great you're giving someone props here in the second round the playoffs but to hear him. Say that i'm gonna do whatever the coach wants me to. You're a former defensive player of the year. You don't run from that match up. I don't care who's garnham. I'm telling my team. I'm taking katie. The best got. Yeah no i just to me. It's you should always want that challenge especially for someone like honesty need in the corner on on What's his name. The shooter joe harris. You know a majority of the night. But if i'm honest you see someone like knowing. That's their main weapon. If you're able to slow him down you can possibly win for us not to say. Hey i don't care who's garden coach. I'm guarding him right now. That kind of bothered me. Well go back. i'm gonna make katie mad at me. All right let's go back to march two thousand eighteen. I was in the house and look. We're looking at it right now. Katie had ten points. Six assists three rebounds. Four turnovers was negative. Seven nugget. Fifteen was tossed after seventeen minutes why he was frustrated. Way jaanus was garnham. Jaanus is the only player. I seen who matches his size who matches his leg. Maybe it's taller. Maybe is longer. It's like he's looking at his his Image right so why is it john. It's been on with that. Said i was at this game at this game. Talking about y'all right you don't remember that game. Why hasn't he guarded them. Like only god could stop k. D. but if i'm gonna put somebody out there is solid middleton respect. Pj tucker amazing defender. But why don't you put somebody that. His is spitting image against him. Say after the game that he wanted to do you. Think so It's too late. You think the series is over now. I just think that you gotta spent competitive spirit from the beginning this game on the jump not game even if he has to your their best option. Although you know you're still their best option understand you wanna save his legs and this guy you could rotate on them. But yana should be the main guy. Carden k. d. from game one. Well i will say this all of this sort of wow. You're the defensive player of the year. Not every defensive player of the year especially big men have gone out on the perimeter and guard wings. No one was telling hakim to go out on the wing. This is different. You gotta take that challenge. Because he's an. I'm just saying that that particular argument. You're supposed to be the first player of the year. Shouldn't you whatever i think. He should be doing it because he's janas combo because he has a defensive player of the tag right it's kasese janas and his game is flexible enough and we are in this era that we are in that he should be the one who is at least trying to check. Kevin durant why. I think he should be trying to do. We will see whether he is going to do it in this next game. If these gentlemen right if it's too late you know who else. Who's whose opinion i would respect. I'm pretty much anything. He comes out of his mouth. Yeah the nba is all time leading score time. Mvp kareem abdul-jabbar joining the jump next. We're to discuss his social justice documentary. How the role has center has indeed changed since his playing days. The bucks chase for the title. Anything that comes out of this man's mouth he weren't gonna wanna listen to. The captain is joining us. Next looking to grow your interests and passions then let the people facebook groups help. Facebook groups helps you find your interest learn new things and grow your passions through safe and inclusive communities because when other share your passion. They take to new places so whether you love basketball because of the handles on-court supporting your local team the sneakers and the fits. You can find a community on facebook. Groups find your group at facebook dot com slash groups. That's facebook dot com slash groups. Take on anything with facebook groups. We now welcome in one of the greatest of all time in any sport hall of famer. The nba's leading score the goat of goat's kareem abdul jabbar. Thank you so much for joining us. Sir i'm always so happy when you were on the show. Thank you you. You have a documentary coming out on the history channel. It comes out saturday night. It's called fight. The power the movement that changed america. What motivated you to executive producers project. Well i kind of felt that. So many of our movements in america really are based on the same thing people who feel that they're not treated very well and no chance of being able to live their lives as they see fit for any any number of reasons you know women were denied the role and they were a majority. You you've had riots. You had to stonewall riots you have the la riots protesting the treatment of bribing king. It does so many different elements of the shirt factory. That made it very obvious that we had to do a much better job for protecting people on in the workplace. All of these things the came from the same desire for equal and fair treatment so that's to be is what it's about and it's amazing They just announced that the juneteenth is now a federal holiday. That's when we'll be showing it for the first time on on saturday night sir. I thank you for everything you've done on and off the court man. It's always a pleasure to talk to you What did you think about in the bubble. What the players did. Nba players day from a social justice standpoint. And if one of them were task you what they should do going forward. What would you tell them. Well i thought the way that they saw we're able to share their social consciousness without offending people. Just show them what their concerns were and why they did it in a way that people could listen to it and it wasn't about anger who's about getting people understand what the issues are. It's very important that this is done. We also had happened with colin kaepernick. He had an issue about police violence against black americans and the people who didn't want that Subject discussed trying to change the subject and say that he was doing it against america or against armed forces or against something in all he was doing was using his platform to call attention to a very important issue. The nba has a long history of not doing that. They have a long history of trying to figure out how to give the guys a chance to express themselves without making fools of themselves. And that's what they did. I was very happy to see how they they handled it. People understood in my neighborhood which is not a black and brown they would the black lives matter protests last summer really shocking enough. All all the people that were not black people out there. That were appalled. i would happen to deploy. it's it's nice to see that The communication is starting to take cream. How you doing matt barnes again and i want to echo. What thank you for all your work on and off the court. This social fight is a new to you. You've been in this very long time so we you know you don't always get the recognition you deserve when it comes to this or basketball. I feel we definitely wanted to tell you today that we definitely appreciate you transitioning from social justice to basketball. How was the center position. Change from your time when they had to feed you the ball. And you've got to do what you wanted to now. There aren't very many centers. Maybe two they can actually throw the ball. Do it down to play through today. The way that the three point shot. It's a stretch to court here in la. We have a center. Anthony davis he's really capable of doing all he can defend and rebound detroit block shots in the pay yet at the other end. We can go out there since screens on and step back. Hit the three point or play with his back to the basket indicate when they have a higher band. So i i think the birth chile of your team and various players on your team. Really is is what this is all about. Not swipe the game is all about a centers. Now can't just be limited to the pain. Well that's that's challenge. But there's some guys they have responded and are doing an incredible job joel. Mb up awesome. He can go play with his back to the basket. Bubby come out on perimeter and defend on room and of course we saw nikolay okay to win the mvp this year so Certainly an evolution. Uk she was the first senator to win it since jack thing. Yeah absolutely now. The first since. If we're going to get into that you were part of the only bucks team to ever win an nba title and that was fifty years ago this year which underscores just how difficult it is to do in the nba. Milwaukee's what do you think of. How the bucks series against the nets has progressed. And what it would mean if they could get through here and even when a title what it would mean to the city of milwaukee in the walkie move will lose their mind because it just they. They've been snake bit a number of times by injuries. And you know had great teams. I remember we bought lanier when playing out his career and had had a great run there but they they just couldn't make it into files so they're going to have to get it done you know one way or the other and they have the horses but there's a reason why we play the games i know during the break we were talking that As you put. Kevin durant is not here to play so That that is something that will have to overcome. I wanna get into how you did leave milwaukee because it was actually on this date. We have the anniversary right now. Forty six years ago on this date is when you were traded from a walkie to the lakers. And we've talked about this before you kept that trae progress. Private played a full season without incident before the trailers actually made. You went and did your job but looking back. Why did you feel since we are on the anniversary of it. Today was the best move for your career and really you were you were at the birth of player empowerment saying i would like to be moved to the region that i tried to keep you on the down low as much as i could is because i really appreciated the way the people in milwaukee at treated me they paid me well and they supported me and i wanted to give them an opportunity to get the deal that they could get forming me in the more. I kept my mouth shut the easier. That could have happened. So i decided i keep my mouth shut from. Let them try to make the best deal that they could. Because i wasn't gonna play another union. These it all work out for me right now footage absolutely and i know that the city of milwaukee has been looking for someone like kareem abdul-jabbar since they're very happy with their two time. Mvp but they would be even happier if they could get a kareem like title. They're back in milwaukee so we will follow that as well those guys are you know i been there to see them. Play their incredible team but I i don't know what it is is. Sometimes it's just you can't get the right team to go as far as he wanted to go. But it's still a great team and wins the support. Abolish fan do you out a better. A better approach. Do you think that this vaccine the way it is now. Do you think that this team is capable of winning title k. d. with kills he finds the guy eight. You know. he could do that by himself. They gotta do a better job to the whole team has to play differently. So that k d. one guy can just dominate like. Well the have one more one more shot at it and we'll see what they can do in game six cream. i just. It is just such a privileged to get to be able to talk to you. I always say. I have the most fun job. But it's getting to actually meet and talk to over the years. You frankly and i feel like i have just the mo the honor is is out of control so look you guys know. We the social justice award. We had a meeting on that. We've got it all figured out really looking forward to you. Know making the announcement. I i'm i'm very honored that they would choose me to represent that. I grew up watching. Jackie robinson and bill russell as my heroes in ali i stand on their shoulders solo to be out like this is really special. We'll the nba is better for this award existing and frankly there is no one else who i think it could have been named after we had harrison barnes on the show earlier this week talking about his project. We've talked about some of the other projects that were finalists. Well and we will look forward to your announcement is so so thank you job. He really has right. I mean it's just so so fascinating to see cream. Thank you so much. I really cannot tell you how much i appreciate your time and tide. I always get around do as a pretty good indication of i feel because you can't be we'll let you take your call. We appreciate it. We will look forward to you joining us again soon. Thank you so much kareem. The welcome continued success. Guys thank you everyone else. Stick with us. We're gonna talk about the mavericks move next. Do you own or rent your home. Share you and i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com. Well reporting lamelo ball win rookie of the year. Lamelo averaging sixteen six and six for the hornets helped make them the east playing tournament contenders that they were that agree with lamelo over anthony edwards. Which was the call. A very close run. You know. I think before lamelo got hurt. He was the clear cut favorite. He got hurt. Anthony edwards on a run to very talented young players. But happy for mellow. I thought it was my have a shop. Melrose momentum was so so high. It's hard from wentz lamelo king back. Great like okay. So we thought he welcome back to the jump. i'm rachel nichols still joined by matt. Barnes marc spears. Gentlemen more breaking news. It never stops the mavericks announcing they and longtime gm. Donnie nelson have parted ways nelson spent twenty four years with the franchise a portion of the statement from mark. Cuban today quote. I just wanna thank donny for his twenty. Four years of service has been instrumental to our success helped bring a championship to dallas. Donnie will be part of the family. And i wish him all the best now i would have put an extra sentence in that releasing and is the guy who made sure. We drafted luca. Danni search went. Three other franchises ahead of us decided that they did not want to make that choice. I would've put that the statement but that's just me mark. What do you know about the situation. What more can you tell us. Donny was fire. Let's be real. Donnie was fired He's been there since nineteen eighty eight. And i've heard that one guy that's really upset about it is guy. You don't want upset. I'm not the one guy. Luca danni they were really really close And actually don six in slovenia He's working out with the slovenian national team getting prepared for the olympics and he will have a statement tomorrow really at a press conference I'm not sure what he's gonna say but apparently he's gonna make a statement about donny's firing tomorrow also being told in terms of the two hundred million dollar extension our talks going People close to saying what talk either not. That's not that's not being. there's talks right now. By the way met his relationship. Lucas relationship with donnie nelson goes back. The dining was over scouting him when luca was four. Turning that that's how far this goes back. And there's also rumblings about luca not really being happy with other people who have a lot of power and organization but you have a franchise and a generational town right here. Whoever he doesn't like needs to go eventually get signed. But there might be some more changes before right back recapping all of the day's news a lot more to talk about stick with us. Welcome back let's recap what has happened thus far the pelicans parting ways with standing gundy after one season is head coach. Zion will now have the third coats in three years. Meanwhile scott brooks burning away with the wizards after the parties could not agree to contract. Meanwhile here now lake. Why leonard out indefinitely after suffering a sprained right knee a pivotal game. Five away tonight between the clippers and utah and chris. Paul has entered the league's health and safety protocols the length of his absence still to be determined but according to matt barnes who spoke in cpt three is vaccinated. So hopefully you can move through the protocol. Stay the same but hopefully can move through them more quickly to add all of this. Lebron james took to twitter this our voice his displeasure saying in part quote. They didn't wanna listen to me about the start of the season. I knew exactly what would happen. I only wanted to protect the wellbeing of the players. This is the best time of the year for our league and fans but we are missing a ton of our favorite players due to injury. Sorry fans wish you guys. Were seeing all your favorite guys right now met. What do you think of these words from lebron other right you know you ever want to wonder is money. Ever going to outweigh are important. Players ever going outweigh the money. I mean these guys have been burning on both ends bubble situation short off season. Change it schedule all star olympics coming up this summer. I mean. These guys need a break. it's unfortunate. We're seeing everyone breakdown. 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ESPN's Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon

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ESPN's Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon

"Everyone welcome in to another edition of the world's pod tape this morning on the heels of boston's trade with oklahoma city. The celtics traded kemba walker in the sixteenth pick in this july. Nba draft a two thousand twenty. Five second round. Pick to the thunder and boston gets back. Al horford get moses brown in two thousand twenty three second round. Pick for boston. This was a significant deal. The first deal of brad. Stevens tenure as the president a basketball operations and gets off essentially kemba walker is contract. The seventy-three million dollars owed him over the next two years and certainly the concerns that boston has had about campbell's durability there's no other concerns you have about kemba walker the person the player certainly the leader. He's been all those things in his career But this business and he goes to okay see who now as three picks in the first round of july draft they might have to top five picks based on how things shake out in the lottery would themselves and then what happens with huston sort through all that but here with tim bontemps. Who covers the celtics for us at espn. Tim how're you doing while agent. How are you. I'm doing great doing great and so This deal for boston. Tim and how they move forward now. What do you see kinda the short and long term ramifications being a moving walker out what that means for what else they can do the summer moving forward. And then the the point guard spot in boston here in the near term while the short-term agent what this does is give spouse financial flexibility like you said kemba walker zone seventy three million dollars over the next two seasons al horford. His owed either fifty three if he's on a team both seasons. He's forty one if they move on from him in the second year that deal which is partially guaranteed unless the celtics win the title this year which if they win the title i think they'll happily pay him the full freight that following season but ultimately this allows them to have the ability to maybe resign. Forty eight as a free agent. This summer brad. Stevens obviously running the show in boston. It's been pretty abusive in his praise. For nascent he got acquired at the deadline from orlando Gives them some of the stuff. They lost with gordon hayward out They obviously still have to make a decision on marcus. Smart is one year left on his contract. They can extend him around seventy million dollars over four years to see if they can get a deal. Done there as you know. The celtics have had a lot of guys leave with no compensation the passengers of the including al horford a couple of years ago. So i think they have to come to some decision one way or the other on marcus. Smart do they keep him and extend him long term or do they may be after look trade him and then like you said long-term team has to do is figure out who they could put around jaylen brown jason tatum to get this team back to being a championship caliber roster an organization in the east. Because if you look you know if you watch the bucks and nets play if you watch you know. Even the sixers in hawks play in the other series. Boston was not on the level of those teams this year. And if they want to be back in the championship hunt even with two of the best young wings in the league. They have a lot of work to do. Yeah they do. And and part of the work boston has to do is to hire a coach. Stevens is running that process. Now and You know figure out who. The right guy is for this celtic team. You know they've talked. They've had in the first round of interviews with several candidates And so i i think for boston. They're trying to figure out what the roster looks like style of play. How they wanna move forward. And listen for brad stevens this you know when you move over from coach to president of basketball operations like these these are these are tough decisions and they're tough decisions when you sign a player of walker stature and free agency and there's always a hesitancy that does it impact the next free agent. You go after and you say well. I signed with boston. And they traded me. And i know i think the the injuries are the most significant part of the reason. This happened but even with gordon hayward and there would be talk early. On in his tenure. He had the injury obviously lung was. I think there was always a hesitancy to move him because yes he recruited a player. You sold them on something and you move out but it makes it harder to get the next guy but you also can't sit and hold onto him in hold everything else back to and so that makes it a difficult decision. And then there's okay see who is gladly there again to take your sam prestige take sign your contract. The seventy three million owed campbell over couple years and he'll do exactly what he did with chris. Paul with al horford himself with our mellow anthony. When it's time to move you on to get you where you might like to go Horford it's certainly thrilled with being back in boston. He never really wanted to leave but financially. It made sense for him to go. Do that deal with the sixers. And obviously he got traded out. But i think now prestia has three picks. Oklahoma city has three picks first round picks in the july draft potentially to fought to top five picks based on how the lottery bounces and celtics are the sixteenth pick so however the breakdown comes in the draft you had the assets to and they've got it eighteen first round picks over the next eighteen eighteen first round picks and next seven year the next. Yeah yeah so you have the ability to package not only the ones you have this year but future picks whatever it is you want to target a guy in the top five that you love and you say hey we wanna get to three. We want to get to and we're gonna offer you. And so oklahoma is going to be able to do that for the next few drafts to be able to. Even if they're not at the very top they'll have the the package to be able to get them there. If there's a player they really love. That's why i prestia was down in that g. league bubble for a couple weeks and he was a lot of looks at jalen green and jonathan kamanga. That's for sure exactly. He got to spend time and watch them in know. If they're in that ballpark are those you know to know as much as he could about those players so oklahoma city does that. Sam press d and brad. Stevens go back. I know they've known. Each other. Since brad was coaching at butler I think sam was always like a lot of nba executives was always intrigued. Yup with brad. Stevens and and And built a relationship with them. And then obviously now brad's in a position to be doing these kinds of deal also and getting the deal done before. The combine is pretty rare Typically these kinds of trades. Don't start happening till after the combine. You don't see these were the we're in. The conference semifinals. Last time. I remember a deal like an even in the playoffs happening. Was i remember. We're in cleveland for the finals. When you're on earth sunday selva got traded. Think you pretty sure you broke the trade. I think he was traded to or from detroit or something like that. But i remember that happening during the finals but like you said having happened even before the combine is is pretty pretty unusual. I it is so we'll see the combines next week in chicago so that which means all the team front office people the agents and that's where and then more importantly the draft lotteries tuesday night on. Espn of course the draft lottery events. That's where people can start to get serious about trade talks because now you know where you're picking who's where and it's a lot easier to start talking about putting picks and trades Especially among lottery teams once. You know where you fall. So that stuff heats up next week. But sam prestige brad stevens. Got this done today. And they they informed Kemba of the deal and al horford of the deal and and away in a way we go so Yeah but this. Boston team listen. The coaching opening is still very attractive. Because they have something that none of the other teams have in. Dallas has luca. And that's certainly the at twenty two years old was dame lillard you can go. Coach dame lillard Which is an extraordinary player. But lucas twenty two. And there's a much greater runway certainly a much longer runway with him in dallas but boston has two all stars under twenty five and jaylen brown. Of course jason tatum. And so the pieces are there to to reshape this roster now. That's that's what's on brad stevens to do well. Yeah and look at boston. Also in the almost twenty years at wicker's beckons cpac. Luca owned the celtics. They've had one. President bassel operations. Had two coaches right. So when when you look at this team not only having two young all star players but also having long term stability and the ability to in theory really have a chance to grow into the job You know that's not hap- something happens very often. You know part of the reason everybody has been you know. The the dallas mavericks stuff. This week has been such a big thing as donnie nelson. Rick carlisle been institutions. douse right. It's the saints. Reason that the damage brad stevens stuff here in boston was such a big thing because those guys were here for so long to get a chance to not only have team with kinda young talent that the celtics do but also a place where you are going to get a chance to actually really sink your teeth into the job and be there for a while is a a really attractive combat illeg whereas as you know better than anybody you know. Chaos reigns supreme. Most of the time. Yes and no more so than than this last week it feels. It has been fairly chaotic. You know we've got You know western conference finals. We've got obviously the clippers jazz game six in la tonight. We've got a box nets game seven this weekend and so and obviously a atlanta sixer game six that Is is going to be for that philly organization so a lot coming to ahead kemba walker is off to the thunder at least for now and Tim you You and i will certainly be monitoring all of these things good to catch up with you. 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Woge the post your first job for free terms and conditions apply back here on the woke pod with the great tim macmahon. Espn's nba reporter. Tim how're you doing all right. Woes man. I like that interim you liked it. I liked that. Yeah i mean you texted it to me last night on the new revised it this morning listening all right. Can you or i had good. I had the good reporter negotiated. We went to move to great. You started off with halfway decent. I was able to negotiate from there. Well listen a lot happening in your backyard in dallas As we reported yesterday riccar. Lyle walked away with two years. Left on his deal is head. Coach don nelson The president of baseball operations slash. Gm was ousted this week. And all of a sudden in dallas. Where you had had to figures in place. Donnie nelson for twenty plus years. Rick carlisle one of the highest longest. Tenured head coaches in any team. Thirteen years in dallas obviously won the nba title is coach in two thousand and eleven. Both gone within just a couple of days and this is an organization that has run itself very differently than allowed the rest of the league and they certainly had great in the dirk. Nowitzki are there. Were obviously won the championship. Their perennial fifty. One team Did it you know with when they won. Free agency veterans paying a big luxury tax bill when it was time to win and then how to stretch as dirk was fading into his twilight and pre luca where a lot of draft picks didn't work out and free agent signings maxed out chandler parsons. They maxed out west math use. And what targets that they without a lot of big targets they and what ends up happening. When you don't draft well is you end up overpaying in free agency and and you're you're you're giving max contracts to good players and not great ones. And that has that takes its toll on your cap your roster and and then they make the luca dodge draft night deal and all of a sudden. Now have a a a second transcendent player of this mark. Cuban era but at twenty two years old and and and with. What's ahead for lewke here. How does dallas have to approach maybe modernizing the organization and and and having something built in a little more traditional way than. I don't wanna call it a mom and pop thing but it was this group that knew each other very well that Did it differently. They just did it differently than a lot of the league. Mark cuban is has been very involved in basketball operations. No question about that. Does it have to look different. Moving forward tim. I think really. The question is is mark. Cuban willing to give up control that. That's the question you know. Donnie nelson was the president of basketball operations. But i joke that his his job that was always his title but his actual job. Can i add them float between president of basketball operations and secretary of basketball operations. Because you know. Sometimes he had mark cuban's ear and you know they they you know for example. The deluca deal was definitely his. There were obviously several others that that didn't work out. Sometimes he didn't have Cubans era and you know for example when he pounded the table and tell them. Hey this is the best player in this draft And there's been a lot of voices over the years who have kind of been the primary influence on cuban And at so. I think really the question comes down to as they're making the head of basketball operations high or whatever that title ends up. Being is cuban willing to hire somebody in give them the authority to run the franchise. And that's a that's a big question. Mark hanging over. Because if if you're going to really reset the basketball culture the franchise you have to start there. And that's it. Tim and i think autonomy is a relative word in the nba. they're very few top basketball executives. Very few less than ever who who really can do whatever it is they wish and ultimately they just need a rubber stamped by ownership more and more owners are very involved some maybe not to the degree of mark cuban but but he was the model for a lot of guys who bought into the league and they saw how mark cuban was doing it. How much mark cuban was having and i think incentivize lot of this newer breed of owner. Not just in the nba. I think everywhere. Think mark cuban jerry. Jones both both dallas figures. Were you saw. You could buy a team and you didn't have to just hand it off. But the league is changed and if they're going to attract a high level candidate for all of the reasons the jobs attractive great market in dallas a player and look adachi. Choose probably almost surely going to be a multi time most valuable player and obviously an owner mark. Cuban who's very invested. Who's going to spend the money who's gonna do what it takes to try to compete and win. Those are all reasons. You'd want the job the question's gonna be will mark. Give me the room to build. How a front office and organization. The way that i think it needs to be done or the way that i did it somewhere else and i think that's going to be for mark at this point. He's never going to be involved. We know he right. He april beloved but is he capable of taking a step back and a allowing someone more space and room to to carry out a plan and and and and to have some processes in place. That maybe haven't been there well and here's the thing. Mark cuban will listen to people whoever he hires he has to listen to that person on a consistent basis. It can't be while you're the you're the primary decision making influence now and well. I've got this analytics guy that a really like here. Well no this agents tell me this now and it has to there has to be. It has to flow through the president of basketball operations or whatever they decide to make this higher. And that's where you know in this last situation it became. You've got bob bulgars. Who's kind of cuban handpicked. you know. love his data. they can talk crypto currency. Whatever smart basketball guy but when he is reporting the cuban and you know is not in communication with donning that becomes adversarial. It becomes dysfunctional really quickly. And they you just can't have that that type of situation. Everything has to flow through the guy that you are putting in charge of basketball operations. Tim if they're going to bring in a real president of baseball operations. Whatever the title is they're going to hire a real person babul. Gary's can't be there no no. There's there's no one who's going to accept him in the middle of all this i to me. I think that's going to be a non starter for anyone of any real stature in the league. I think cuban realizes that. I think bob bulgars realizes that And you know the other thing is there are other frayed. Relationships with with vulgarity within the organization obviously the deluca one depending on what they do with the coaching staff is just. It's you know. Mark cuban will have a very strong analytics department bob vulgarity. I cannot imagine a circumstance where it will he will be charged at. Hey guys body. Armor light isn't just a sports drink. It's more than a sports drink with no artificial sweeteners. No sugar added in twenty calories per sixteen ounce bottle body armor light is changing the game when it comes to hydration body armor. Light has potassium packed electrolytes coconut water antioxidants and vitamins. Making it the perfect choice for your next workout hydrate. Like james harden donovan mitchell. John moran and trae young with body armor light more than a sports drink shop now at amazon dot com. Hey guys goodyear knows that when the seasons starts heating up so do the possibilities play off. Hopefuls are beginning to emerge contenders are solidifying. Their position from here on out game is a chance to create momentum to make the right past the right move to hit the perfect shot it takes momentum to build up to the moment but it takes everything to capture goodyear more driven. You mentioned luca. And he's on course here to to to be offered. I think all indications would sign that two hundred million dollar extension his rookie extension. He's eligible for the supermax because he's been what what is top marks who time first team all. Nba oof two time first team. All nba makes him already qualified. Players like donovan mitchell jason. Tatum signed their rookie. Extensions with the hope of making jason. Tatum needed to make all nba again. This year to to be able to be eligible for that lucas already. You know he's done it out of the gate think. Sometimes people believe that players are really tethered to certain executive. Certain coaches yeah. I don't find that that is the case i think. Luka was fond of donnie nelson. I he was very fond of and i think he was a loyal and grateful and appreciative of the fact that donnie believed at him that donnie pursued him. Got the deal. Done brought him to dallas You know he certainly knew. Donny's connections in europe and and his. You know what don is meant to. What donna is meant to really the revolution in the league that took place over a few decades of of great european talent coming to the nba. Donnie was at the forefront of that but life goes on. And i think the way lucas good a look at it. My sense is it's up to mark now to put a structure in place front office and head coach. That is going to allow luca wind because at the end of the day whether he likes. This guy doesn't like this guy's much. Luca wants to win. He's a fierce competitor. And i think all of those other things. I think sometimes we make too much on the relationships especially when it's somebody like luca who is just so hell bent on winning and so whether he likes everybody or doesn't like everybody. You better put a team around him. That's going to be competing for championships. Because the the that's what's gonna be. He has shown that that is what matters to him. And so i think now. It's it's incumbent on mark to to sell that vision to luca and certainly allow him to have a voice in this dallas is the only place known in the nba riccar lyles. The only head coach is known and jamal moseley who we know. He's very fond of and has great respect for Who is the top assistant. There and certainly will be a candidate. I think whoever gets the job running basketball operations like that's who he's known and so to expect luca to have opinions about different people around the league at twenty two years old different when you're a player who's thirty two and you've been around the league and you you you've seen in in the relationships you have you understand. Maybe better on different coaches at twenty two years old. It's not fair to expect the player to have all of that perspective and context. And i think he's got a lean on the organization now and trust them that that they're going to be able to to navigate this and get him what he needs now. Yeah and luca at twenty two minor stand it. He doesn't want you know necessarily the responsibilities of not day decision making and dictate like there have been you know there have been times where lewanda throws wait. Around you know down the roster decisions would have been made differently. He didn't he doesn't want those luke wants to hoop and win those those. That's what matters him now. And look the the rick. Carlisle relationship was Tints okay and i do think that factored into The the ultimate decision. That rick made to walk away just because my and i hadn't spoken rick specifically On this since he made his decision but it is no secret that his seat was going to be hot going into next season that there were concerns about the tense dynamic between him and luca. And you know in in defensive luke. It's not like he was the only player who was butting heads with rick who had but it heads with rick but if we're being real honest about it when it comes those kinds of decisions being made within a franchise look was the only one that mattered. I you know. You're not as concerned if the if the sixth man or you know the the four straughter or you know. Those guys are are wearing thin on rick but if it's the twenty two year old. Mvp candidate that you're hoping to keep in town for a decade and a half. Yes those things. Do become concerns. But you know again. It's not like luca. Goes to mark cuban or anybody in the front office and says hey we need to make a change. Here is just a sense within the franchise. And i'm rick is a perceptive guy. I'm sure he felt that as well. Yeah rick's going to be. Rick sees a marketplace where he He's gonna be wanted not fit everywhere right now and i don't think everywhere is a fit for rick In terms of the jobs that are available. But i think the teams who are in more of a win now mode who have playoff teams. Who are trying to either win a championship or maybe advanced deeper than they might have in the playoffs. Otherwise without him are gonna take a look at rick carlisle and so you know he walks into multiple openings around the league and and and is going to certainly have an opportunity to talk to teams and see if there's a fit for him out there so that's that that makes a lot of sense and is mark. Cuban told you yesterday. He's going to hire a director of basketball operations before he hires a coach. That's how you should do it. We've seen it done backwards. It almost never works and riot more than anything. The mavs need. They need synergy. And the way you get that is allowing that person and you limit your pool of candidates if you if you if you put a coach in place right and then try to hire the president. Gm you may this limit Who who might be interested in. So yeah this is going to be telltale time for the organization and i i just think when you think about where as they built a team around is built a team around dirk and now they try to do it around luca i think they wanna championship and ultimately you are judged on results we they fifty games multiple times and just a highly successful organization but but the inbetween time showed a lot of cracks in the processes in that organization and whether it was draft whether it was free agency trades There were a lot more misses than hits. And everybody's gonna have. Mrs nearly everybody does And but i think now there's a chance and think use this word to hit the reset button in dallas and it's gonna be interesting for mark and how he wants to approaches protest but i i think there is going to be no shortage And i've already since it there. There's no shortage of of execs. Who might be interested in finding out. What exactly mark has in mind moving forward and there's certainly understanding within the the organization starting with cuban that luka is not dirk just like kawhi leonard was not. Tim duncan and dirk gave them two decades of uncrossable. Loyalty never really considered leaving. They are going to have to convince luka that this is a place where he can consistently contend for championships And if we're being you know maybe pessimistic. But i think realistic. There's probably a three year window to do that. He's going into the last year of his rookie contract if he signs that supermax yet. It's a five year deal. But guess what donovan mitchell jason. Tatum got player options. Luka doncic we'll get a player option on that last year you could pencil it in so you're talking about last year this deal for years of that. We just saw james harden push his way out with with two years plus a player option left. And i'm not saying that. That's what luka wants At all i. Matter of fact i would. I would might feel his. Probably the exact opposite he would love nothing more than to Being doused whole career contending for championships but were they player of that kind of of talent. There comes a pressure to To compete just because your windows open and also to be able to convince him that you will be contending for your entire prime here. So they've got a few years to really kinda put those pieces in place and look. They've got the most difficulties to find. They've got the centerpiece. You've gotta fill the puzzle around him and that starts with the guy who's putting the puzzle together. What right and i think exactly what you're saying. Tim is no one's questioning. Lucas desire to want to be in dallas. I think he's going to sign that extension. I don't have any indication that there's something that would not listen. He's gonna process what's happening here. But you can't take it for granted and the days of just measuring one player becomes a free agent as to what your window is that's gone. We are in a league of perpetual free agency whether you have one year on your deal. Two years three years left namely the last player in the nba. Who said i one out of significant stature and didn't get out by the end of that season. Yeah so it doesn't matter that you have it just because you signed a new deal that doesn't mean you have you know you've got this thing in place for four years or five years because the minute the guy says i don't want to be here. They can create such a hysteria around the player and arranger organization. And you say hey we can ride this out. You can't and you have the movie and again. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen when luca or any of these other players but organizations understand that's the world we live in right now and so that is the urgency even of lucas signs that extension on As soon as he can't a free agency. That doesn't mean like you sit back and saying okay. We got him under like. That's not how it works anymore. And and listen. That's a hallmark. Listen mark cuban's competitiveness. And you have luke you wanna win and so. They've got to figure out how to reshape that roster around him. It is not good enough. The kristaps porzingis question is interesting. I think you put it a good way earlier this season to me and we were talking. I don't know if he said this on air but the mavericks best chance of winning is with kristaps versus what they can get reiver's steps right now given the injury. The injuries the con contract the performance. This season this is not a high trade value. That doesn't mean they can't do a traitor. Wouldn't it just means you are not at a time where you're getting maximum value for him and you want to wait and try to what you could get back for. Him might not be as appealing is trying to get him healthy and You know a full often dynamic with lucas. All those things yeah What's your sense on porzingas. Now where his head is how how important. I'm not a i know. His relationship with luke is not good. I also don't think it has to be it doesn't it doesn't have to be two two for two guys who wanna win and play together. I i. I just think we're always concerned what everybody's relationship is and guys win. They usually figure it out. Yeah and it's not a as far as i know it's not any kind of situation where the locker room is split and there's not you know it's not like those guys are having heated interactions. It's just kind of an an awkwardness. And i can throw out some numbers that point the hey when they are on the floor together for the most part. The mavericks are historically elite offense. You know unfortunately the last memory you have was probably the worst possible playoff matchup for us. Where the clippers were going to go. Small switch everything porzingas. Posting up is not what the mavericks wanted so he stand in the corner. A whole series You know at this point. The sense that i get is that kristaps porzingis would not mind a fresh start but his approach going into the off season is okay. Hey i need to. I've got a healthy off season which has been rare for him. He needs to work on his body. He needs to work on his game and that that he is determined To to come back and prove that he is a star caliber player You know again whether he's coming back to another franchisor or not that that's not within his his power But you know minor stand is. He had very productive conversations with mavericks player development staff going in You know he said the right things during his exit interview to the media. And you know i i. It's just very difficult for the mavericks to to make a deal with porzingas right now. That would make sense for them simply because you would be selling low. He was a significantly diminished player. This year And the circumstances were extremely difficult coming off of a knee surgery in the condensed pandemic season. You know he didn't move. Well willie move better next season if so it could be a totally different story But again i don't think he would mind a fresh start at all. But i do think he's realistic. And it is kinda looking. What can i do to become better instead of. How can i get out of here. Well there's going to be a lot here in this mavericks off season beginning with the search for a new president of basketball operations. Gm whatever the title is an obviously head coach. You'll be all over at tim. Thanks for jumping in man. We'll we'll catch up soon. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening to this episode of the pod. A big. Thank you to both of my guests this week. 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HR 3: Does fruit belong in salad?

Mason & Ireland

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HR 3: Does fruit belong in salad?

"Three o'clock route so more busy show today a ton of stuff going on and the big surprise you watch me watch dance around this. The big surprise of the day is that rick. Carlisle the dallas mavericks. I think it's a surprising. Just big news of day. Yeah it got me with a while but it was also like there's been some friction there for a while. And then there was also donnie. Donnie nelson was fired the day Luca danni had a press conference where he's like. Oh i don't make the decisions. They're yup so he's he's out already speculation the he could be in in boston. Well celtics player. I wouldn't john legend right. He was good but he he was good. Yeah wouldn't he make a lot of make a lot of sense but you know. I'm i'm really curious you brad. Stevens does in this job now. Because he's he's a coach going to be making this higher. We have no idea. What brad stevens believes is a front office. No no not at all. I wanna talk about the the big game last night philly in atlanta so at the end of that silly with a monumental collapse louis twenty six point hard to watch hard to why it was. You could see on their face. When they were broken they could not believe what had happened to them. Yeah they they had that game. In fact their social media at one point lindsay. What did you say their social media out at halftime twenty two point two liter. Twenty point lead. Yeah they've posted a picture with a graphic that had the score and it said something like. Oh so this. This is what we do. When we're were tired. I think yeah so. The social media team was a little shaping. How is this one. We're supposed to feel tired with an emoji of someone yawning. Oh yeah they blow the lead. John well i think there was a quote from clint capello where he said something like embiid wears down and game so i try to wear get him tired and then i can so beat out three shot half so it was kind of like referencing that quote. Yeah so i get it but age while i took. That's a game that philly would love to have that. Oh and that we're talking about this morning on our call me and lindsay. What's the one game in your life for a team that you love. You'd like to have back dodgers. You dr dodger. Huge vestich see. I would want game five. I know i know game whatever. Houston it was thirteen to twelve clayton. Kershaw blue five run lead in a four run lead. They were cheating their asses off. And you know. The dodgers had won that game. They would have been up three two and they would've won the series because kenley jansen closed the save and game number six so for me if we had gotten game five win. Twenty seventeen world series champions could along kenley gave up a home run. It was a game to one game two. That was a bad one too. Are you guys. Are you referencing recent games. Because of like there's nothing in your whole life that you would want to get back more than those. Well the raiders. Tuck rule game raiders. Tuck rule game. Yeah what year is that. You want to go back to nine hundred later later. Ninety ninety six hour can't remember now. Yeah yeah i mean. That's i i guess. It is recency bias because you never get over the full bill right there. Also that's teams of course it brady and the patriots career to yes it did it did the other one For me and again this. Is i guess just recently. Bias rams losing the super bowl. I was there. It's always worse when you're there when you see it with your own. Two of the world series. I was at the super bowl when the ranch last. Which one are you saying. Two thousand to tackle doesn't yeah lindsay. What about your sports fan. What's the one like back. mine would be game. Seven of the one thousand nine hundred seven world series when the indians were two outs away from winning the world series and jose mesa blew the save they had they literally had the role did all the clubhouse was covered in the plastic car and they had rolled in the commissioner walked in with the trophy and the owner of the team was standing in there. And then i remember like my dad's like mama got my. We watched it from home. Obviously i was younger and my dad was so upset. He is so crazily overly emotional about the games. He disappeared on foot for three days in the pouring rain yes disappeared yes and i don't understand this wait a minute okay. So today's so the cons loses game. No the indians lose this game and your dad in the middle of a rainstorm walks out and disappears for two days. Yes apparently he did call my mom from a payphone at some point and say he just needed to blow a walk around lost some steam. He said he told me. He walked around in the metro parks. He said he didn't sleep at all. He said he sat there on a park bench for a while and just stared and he said that it was. We laugh about it now but at the time. Obviously i was worried and also i didn't really get it because i was only like ten. You know but now. It's funny. Because like i know how crazy emotional. My dad gets crazy. Emotional i just disappear after a loss. No what's the what's the biggest game that you'd like to have back eight seven seven seven ten. Espn biggest game. You'd like to have back. I would like to have the the rosebowl bac where texas beat. Usc that could have been a perfect night. Vince young just screwed it up for us vince. Young just had a remarkable game. I mean he stole it from us but that's a game. I would love to have back loved outback because it was a perfect night it really was. It was a beautiful night at the rose bowl. Ireland and i were sitting together for that game one of the few times. We've actually sat together when when neither of us was working. And we just watched a ballgame together. Had usc one. It would have been an absolutely perfect night. But vince young stole it from us. It is kind of a gain. It is an epic look. There's so many moments that they don't look at that game as a disaster because it was as a piece of entertainment as a moment in sports as a as an event from beginning to end it was fantastic except for the outcome. Except for the yeah. It really wasn't even like the you know the decision. Where pete carroll has reggie bush go for those what was it. So bush goes for it even though lyndale white was going to even though it was available. Yeah instead they run with reggie bush like. Why didn't you run linda white. Yeah i guess what you start being able to recite actual players from those moments from those games you know. It's really one of those one of those from me. I went all the way. When you say it's worse when you're there. So i got all excited. Ca stanford was playing the fiesta bowl. And we were. It was andrew luck with our quarterback when all the way to phoenix. Got tickets and a bunch of money hanging out tailgating all that and we just and our kicker missed three field goals and we lost. Oh that's rough. And then i got stuck in the parking lot forever leaving like like you just want to leave a game like that like. Oh we lost our kicker. Then you're stuck in the parking lot for two hours afterwards. You would like to back spending all that time going to rams games. Yeah head coach. That was a terrible year. That was just the toes are totally rams first year back. I remember a rainy game against miami where we blew a lead and it was just devastating and embarrassing and we were wet. We were soaking wet. It was awful. It was awful. So i mean i'd like to have that whole season back. I think i would do things differently. Seven seven seven ten. Espn eight seven. Seven seven ten espn. What's the game you would like to have back. Also the fast food item that i will never eat. It's being advertised a lot. I will never eat it. We got that coming up for you. yeah did you notice how cleverly. We opened this hour of mason in ireland. There is not a single mention of the clippers given a hard time danced around at danced around electric. So i'm watching the watching the games last night. I don't even know what they all seem to. Run the commercials and right now. There's a wendy's commercial wendy's a sponsor so they're selling this summer strawberry salad. I know it and here's a. I do not want fruit in my dinner. Oh i do. I do not want fruit in my dinner. Fruit is for dessert. Fruit is not for dinner. I don't are missing out mace fruit. Good salad. I don't have a fast food place. I don't wanna from fast food place. But i do want fruit in my salad. You do. yeah it's really good cares. Apple's no i don't. I'm not a fan at all and then there's food for dinner. I love fruit. That's like my favorite thing in the world. Would i do not like it in my salad. You're missing out. I've tried it. It's yours are. She's cranberries out of control. Absolutely now. pizza does not like that too. It's like made chinese chicken. I do. I do love hina on pizza. Favorites harassing me. Sorry so we're talking about the one that got away at the moment in your sports fandom where a game just got away from you and you'd like to have it back. Let's go to paul in studio city. Paul you're on seventeen. Espn what's up. Man i like to share to possible when i was kid As you know when magic. Johnson lost and larry bird he got the revenge series back and was able to beat larry bird well when they forced him out of the league he had just lost the michael jordan and they're hurt me as a kid that he never got that revenge series to go back against michael jordan to maybe try to take one of those away so when i was a kid that was a big one and then when i was older. Also a big broncos fan and when andrew luck and the colts beat peyton manning and the broncos when they were having like the best year ever. I mean we were like the best often. Peyton manning threw fifty five touchdown passes right. Yes i mean. We thought it was in the bag. I took that lost so hard. I literally just started drinking beer in the bathtub for like three four hours after the game in the dark and my wife was like are you. I'm like i'm fine. I just need a minute. Th this season. I gotta chill. Just give me a couple of hours while paul lucky for you. The broncos went to the super bowl the next year in one right Well yeah we got embarrassed by seattle during that run and then yes we were able to get the job done once. We have the best defense in the league. Defense wins championships. Yes it does. I thank you very much paul appreciate it. Yeah i was at that super bowl to at the broncos carolina super bowl saying the mason. Peyton manning did not die to the mason curse. Does it n- doesn't extend to other teams. You show up as an impartial. Person doesn't show up anywhere. Well we did have a couple of suggestions on social media when we were talking about the clippers earlier they said if you really want the clippers to lose. Maybe you should start rooting for them. Do the mason curse like reverse. Like i can't do it can't do it. 'cause 'cause you're you're standing to do curse as soon as you start rooting for the jazz. They started losing. There are so many instances jazz. What am i came home. Yeah the jazz would like to have last night back. They'd like to have it back game five at home. That's rough at is rough. It's rough let's go to kisha in la kisha urine seventeen. Espn how you doing. Hi good to be with you Well i grew up a die hard. Laker fan my entire life so although that two thousand eight final game lakers against boston was really hard for me. I i think it was game four. I cry myself to sleep. But i have to say. The ultimate is mo mentioned. It the tuck rule which was a fumble charge within caused a fumble. Tom brady to fumble. That was the most heartbreaking loss. I've ever experienced in my life. I cry like a baby even and you mentioned it It was just heartbreaking and made me sad. i'm driving about his one. Be careful with beaker. Yeah but the tuck rule. Yeah definitely every raiders. Fan is is stuck in a moment. Because i was a rough. That was really never been back. That was it was a that was a peak. yeah that was a peak lindsay with the cleveland. Indians like they did get back to the world series. They lost the cubs. Like you've never what you're having one thousand two. It's been a while. And they went to the super bowl in two thousand know. Thank they were in the super bowl in two thousand three hundred forty. Yeah yeah in the meantime by the way. The tuck rule was called correctly. No it wasn't as it was. It was called own way. That was not the right club. I was absolutely in today's nfl nfl but in those days nfl. They've since amended the rules but they were following the rules and they got it right. You're mad at the rim. They have never been a rule. Like if i if you. And i look at that and go. Oh that's a fumble thank you. I can't be the only thing they officials can do is call the play by the rules right and they. They called the rule to the letter. Yeah run through the saints. You know the interception with the rams screw them. Let's go to sack on the four. Oh five accurate seven ten. Espn what's up man. Zack major can hear. Yeah gotcha. now what's up man to talk to you all. Thank you don. La sports fan. The one that i would take back in nineteen ninety three mardi mic slowly curves game. Oh yeah fans out there. i hear it. We got krinsky and all that momentum then rollerblades came out southern california hockey was on fire. We took down the lease in game. Seven we headed into the my off montreal canadian. We're gonna take them score. These scored a goal to take the lead and then they took it away and it all went away. Yup in all went away. I remember i was at that game. I think i was even doing post game for this mason. I know you want to say i've been in. Many wins have been losses. Thanks for the call man. Thanks for the call. Yeah i was there. But i was also i was there in twenty twelve when they won the stanley cup. Okay and i was there in two thousand fourteen when they won the stanley cup for those all right so you can't blame you so you can't blame me for that came. Let's let's sneak one more in here. Let's go to jose and southgate. Jose seven ten. Espn what are you doing man. Yeah hold you guys say. I enjoy your show. Toss they steve. A part of the family has season tickets so looking forward to that. Awesome stadium Who man whose house house baby you go there you go back. I'm sorry go ahead. What's the game you'd like to have back okay. So i'm gonna have snaking five in the dodgers when they got vob or our noble vengeance but the game obviously being ram game is last super bowl. Brandin cooks was wide open in the end. Suggesting that out and forget about that. How about those. No holding on cooks toward the game right before. He got through that interception. Yup that tenure lane and that Girly a call for a whole and that big run twenty. I run with a put the rams in the in the fifty yard line or something. Yup i would have to say the rams with all the other ones all the other got to win championships. The dodgers this year. But yeah with the rent i mean that. Was this harsh here. Man new quarterback new attitude new stadium. Man steve appreciate it. Like i said i love your guidance. Show miss ireland. Make make sure you stay high for him. We'll do in. I'll see. I'll see you guys in sofi stadium all right. Thanks for calling appreciate that. Yeah boy if you told me before that game that the rams defense was gonna hold new england thirteen points. Yup that was the year of the high flying. Rams i would have said. There's no way we lose that game. No way we lose a game and by the way he's completely right. Yep brandin cooks was wide open and gough missed him. And that was the turning point of the game. As far as i'm concerned because that puts back in it now would have made. That would have made the game ten ten yup confidence that goes with that right. 'cause i always wonder when a quarterback misses a receiver. What point do they realize. They missed him but is it after the play. The tape does anybody to tell them or is it like after the game. I think it's right afterwards. I think like they see it as soon as the ball doesn't leave their plays over there. Like oh it's right there then you're thinking about it the rest of the game. Yeah it's just hard to believe that. Jared goff the same jared goff that i saw throw for a million yards against the kansas city chiefs on that night game at the coliseum that that guy could devolve into what he was last year. Confidence is a fragile thing. Yeah and obviously completely lost confidence in them. Oh well he lets himself. I think too. I think so too. Yep new year new attitude new stadium new quarterback this year here momoa. I feel it home of the rams whose house rams house coming up next. They missed it last last year. They missed the fans us here. I'll absolutely did all right. So there is a very significant book. That came out on this date in two thousand three and it has impacted sports in a way. That is impossible to miss impossible to miss. It's one of the most significant sports books written in history. I got that coming up next for you. Mason ireland seventeen. Espn yeah keyshawn. Tomorrow morning search your day with keyshawn. Then you got your travis and sleep show. I heard part of that today. They were talking about cobra kai which is show that i heard that planet -olutely love. I was listening to travis today. Yeah yeah. I was listening to them. I don't know what's leeward. Has against cobra kai so weird. It's a great show. It's a great show and sleeker doesn't get it and it's not max us and then s okay. So i want to get to this. Madonna thing here in a minute and a minute. But first momo yeah one of the significant sportsbooks in history history was released on this date in two thousand three any venture. any guess. Two thousand three zero guesses okay. It is michael lewis money. Oh yeah money. What i love about. Michael lewis okay. First of all condolences diminish family had think is one of the kids was killed nicole. God really horrible. Look what i love about him. He re- he created his own genre. Yup create is on jonah. It's smart intellectual and it's awesome. I just think it's so hard to do that in this world to just come up with something and everybody now knows a money ball. It's like it's like when you when you go to hollywood pitch meetings and they say it's like this meets this yup. Do you know how many books have been so. It's like money ball. How many shows and movies the moneyball meets whatever moneyball meets whatever exactly. I think that it was the advent of us knowing about analytics. Percents no idea that this stuff going on. Yeah but billy. Bean was ahead of the game. He was really the. I mean you could say bill. James was the beginning of it. But really i think billy bean was the progenitor of analytics and major league baseball and it sorta let the cat out of the bag. All the sudden we knew how the sausage was being made and everybody began making it the same way. Do you think people other teams looked at moneyball and said up. We gotta do that. We're behind. I absolutely do. This is what everybody does. Every copycat league or not copycat is a copycat in life. Okay so if you have a movie and never goes. Oh what's the next. Whatever it's it's the next whatever and and so like. I think that moneyball was the thing that one everybody wanted to copy that as a book and a movie is as a jump and then it also opened a door. Something that's been going on and probably a lot of people in the field knew this was going on but the couldn't name it. Yes they couldn't name it. I've just got a text from bed. Lines pitch three projects a month under the. It's like money ball but for the best. I mean that that's how that's how john redefining. It was wanna bench pitches. it's fantastic. he's really good a likable person. Smart smart likable. joya work with. So here's here's the thing that i don't underst- never understood about this. Why did billy bean spill the beans. you know. He probably had no idea. That's where mike lewis was going. Go you think so. You think he didn't notice. All of the firing of the trading pain yoga and putting hattiesburg at first base and bring in chad. Bradford and all that stuff i think that he spilled the beans to michael lewis and i think everybody all the sudden decided you know what now we know. Billy's formula yet. Now we know how he's competitive despite the fact that people would come and he wasn't the only guy doing this he just didn't better he. What high would say in cleveland. We're doing it to mark shapiro. Wha what's his name shapiro shapiro jairo and then paul deep edessa all those. He wasn't the only guy doing and he was just doing it really well. And and what's great about the michael lewis books to even the blind side is the same thing. Oh blind so they come up with a concept so the the moneyball is a concept and the blind side is all about the left tackle and how important left tackle is but it's a human story too. I mean the reason those are adopted as movies because he does an incredible job of capturing these sports characters. Yeah there's no question about it. There's no question. there's a lot of heart and empathy. And by the way. Michael lewis if you want to understand why we had a financial crisis. Meltdown of two thousand eight. The big short is so good book. I mean he really does make things digestible and understandable. So yeah moneyball came out on this day. Three great science. That guys like this is a malcolm glad well really really smart guy He He came up with the tipping point. Tipping point. I read that i was in college i read. I just blew my mind. Him thousand hours. You know everybody you gotta put in ten thousand hours before you really good something. That does not all of these. You know what he's great i. He he goes and talks to these social scientists and he has all this all the scientific data research. It's kind of a mostly boring people but tells a great narrative around it and then he puts a name on it and it's a concept that people can wrap their minds around. Like i told you about confirmation bias and you guys know you just you just steal from me it's okay you don't to cite stanford psych one on one. I mean you could just. It's just confirmation bias now word that you use and you know okay. I want to get to one last thing right before we get to. We've been following the progress of madonna. And i cannot figure. Look i've bet you choosing lucky stars. One of madonna's what i have here i better songs. Lucky star i do not begrudge. Okay buddy who wants to work on their face in have plastic surgery and all that stuff but there is a point. I think personally where it goes too far. And i think she's officially gone too. Far what do you think nope. No no i wanted i i just. I've thought about this a lot because we've been talking about it for a couple of days now ways what have you. What are you basing this off of like. What made you think of madonna and pictures on her instagram page. She photoshop's her face of other photoshop's like crazy. She's got her face pulled. So damn tight. I just why not. Just be your age okay. Why can't you just be your age. Like so this listen. Madonna louis cicconi okay. That's a real. Jeez louise okay from detroit from detroit she i. I'm never gonna say anything bad about her kicks up. She made me stay up really late on a work night one night. I wonder concert what she is. Incredible about and the reason why she has been a superstar for entire life and career is that she sees what's coming next. She constantly reinvents herself. She tries different. Things she's edgy. she pushes the boundaries. And i think in this situation she's going to course correct real fast young. She's going to do exactly what you're saying. Every once in a while we can allow her misstep case. She's been going. She's holding onto sixteen as long as she can. And just come around real soon. Make us old women and that is what's happened here. And i understand i mean. She's posing topless in selfie mirrors. You're having a hard time with. What is she sixty sixty one. Yeah she's having a hard time being sixty one to sixty two. She looks great. Right looks great. She doesn't look great where into her body. Looks great. She also works incredibly weird way. Did you see the picture like the paparazzi took her recent visit to she. She was enrolled win. Go show yeah she. She doesn't look like that now again. I'm not. I'm not hating on madonna. i love madonna. I think she's amazing. But i feel like she's portraying ally here with all of this photo shopping and editing to the point where no nobody believes it. It's not realistic. And i think she needs to. Like ramona said this embrace who she really looks like. Really i promise you. Louise is going to do this like she is. She's been trying to go the other way. she's probably trying something different to look younger. And she and i think in her mind she's trying to but she will she will she just lost a little of her mo jo here but this is what she's amazing at whenever she changes before you want her to change and in this case she's a little too late on this. This is the first time this has happened to her case. Let's just give her a minute into reinvent herself again. So i got sued by madonna. What i got sued by madonna. You actually got sued by her or this year radio stunts that nothing actually happened was radio stuff but it was legal. It was a legal thing so we got a hold of madonna's like a prayer the friday before it was going to be released it was going to be released on tuesday and i got a copy of it from a guy i knew in detroit. I'll just say he was a music guy and nobody had heard this. Nobody knew what the record was. We knew there was a record coming. We didn't know what it was so friday afternoon. At five o'clock turned off our fax machine. This was a day. Days is machines. And i put that record on and i played it once an hour every hour for the entire weekend which it again. It was like a prayer. I'm sorry yeah. I was like a pretzel really gets on a great song and then on monday morning i turn my fax machine back on the station fax machine and we we got a cease and desist from madonna's people because we're playing record so of course for me. Why aren't you like that's like getting sued headed reported on. Mtv news was all all really really cool had not been released yet or said. Why are they released. I got an advance copy and nobody else had it. Nobody had heard it. The only place that was being heard was toledo ohio. A ninety three two. Wr qn positive for both of you. Good publicity wait. Did they did they. Did they say steve mation mason like so you were on bass steve. Mason program director. So you are on the news correct. I was on the news. It was actually renew. Kurt loader talked about me. I think good for you. Good for her. I think i think it worked out as well. I got a play. You one of my most delightful moments on social media in a little while k. It just was sitting at home watching this and this tweet comes across from holly rowe yesterday to share something really crazy has just happened to me because you cannot make this up It's my birthday today. And i was so excited. I'm like oh yay. I'm turning fifty. Four and i still feel pretty young and happy and active and think. I'm still sort of cue for like a fifty four year old lady and then someone pointed out to me that actually turning fifty swear to god i had no idea minds blown and each two years in ten seconds so there you have it just maybe double check hold yard because i think like everything else socal dear. I just wanted to forget. I've done that have you really. Oh yeah i've done that. How does this happen. I think when you get in your fifties. They blend together like i. I believe find out mistaken. I am fifty six right now. My mom had to seventy three year old. She turns seven three twice. But like you actually believe it. Or i mean because i messed up like you asked me the other day. How long you've been married mic. Hold on let me do the math. That takes a second sometimes. But i don't actually believe it if i really think about it. I know how old i am see. Here's how i know how old i am. I'm the same age as the super bowl. That's not an easy way to know how old you are no. It's not but like. I know for example the next super bowl the one the rams will win got rams over. Chiefs will be super bowl fifty six same age as me. I was born the same year as the super bowl. That's how i remember. But you're right. There's a lot of roman numerals involve we've got gaming games coming up next live game today. Game a game time by the way from boss. Amanda fruit and vegetables should not be mixed. Fruit does not belong in a salad. That is yes. This is amanda. Just because she's the boss doesn't mean she's right. She great on she's the boss of me so it's lindsay's game today. By the way the month of june ireland is one five times. Lindsay has three core. He has three. I have to so once again. I'm bringing up the rear. Momo has yet to scratch during this week a fillon it is lindsay's game today lindsay. What he got going on all right. So i noticed. Land ramona plays game of games with us. I feel like she often has an advantage. If i do like. You know like the lakers or any of the sports stuff. Because she's a reporter and feel like she knows all these things. So i tried to do something that's out win out of everybody's wheelhouse where you guys are big history buffs right. I'm okay i'm okay. Okay well these are fun history facts. That are too weird to be true or are they one of these. So i'm gonna give you fact and then you guys left to tell me if you think it's true or if i made it up all right. I got ten and tiebreaker. So we'll see how we got here all right number one. President zachary taylor died from a cherry overdose. He passed away after eating too. Many cherries and drinking milk at fourth of july party in eighteen. Fifty mason is that true. I know for a fact. that's true. Okay false. I think that is false. I think he died from something else. He's he was outside. And you got a cold or something You guys are both incorrect and mason is right jerry. What cherries the cherries along with. The mill believed to have caused intestinal disruption. Yeah you guys got to stick with me. I mean i. I knew that too fat sure. What was the one thousand harrison benjamin. Sit on my. Yeah you're right. You got gotta call to in ancient greece. They believed redheads. Became vampires death. This was partly because red headed. People are very pale skin insensitive to sunlight or hey is that true or false. Say true right ramona. True false false all right mason. True or false. I'm going say true. Makes you are correct along more. Hey so mason's got to or he's got one that's just like random. Its history changing history facts. That are too weird to be true or fact game track from your number three game number. Three albert einstein helped design the volkswagen beetle between stein and ferdinand porsche. The iconic bug light car was designed as part of albert einstein's revive german initiative to create own affordable and practical car. That hit on may. Is that true or false. I'm gonna go false on that okay. You revolves is so true. Monitoring will also see false whore. Hey you are the only one who got wrong. Only an american idol judgment is actually Adolf hitler who helped design the say. Data's is exactly what i knew. I was involved in a nasty stuff. right number. Four tablecloths were originally designed to be used as one big communal napkin. When they were first invented guests were meant to wipe off their hands and faces on a tablecloth after a messy dinner party. Ramona is that true or false. It sounds to me all right. Mace or hatred revolt. What's the crowd is true. All right. here's all got that one right there. Mason three jorges three and just call. You're right you're right. You're right you're right. I scored the wrong okay. So we're trying to conspire to get me not to go here. She didn't go the other way for me. Number five. the south african railway once employed a baboon in his right years of service. He never made a single mistake. Maces that true or false. That's false or true or false. I'l say falls ramachandra false. I'm just a true. Because i want the point. Well you're correct. This is this is how you make a comeback. Yeah all right elbow chances mason for or hey to ramona three left because i say stop the game stop. The i've got four left so we can do to more. Just wait till end all right. Next one using forks used to be seen as sacrilegious widely used eating utensils were once seen as blasphemous and offense to god because they were artificial hands Is it true or false. I'l say false all right to revolt true maistre false drew. You are correct. Drew a guy but he's not say the same mason's got five or got four or his out of it so let's go talk. Ramon if you get this one right and then we'll go to the. I have to go okay. In nineteen ninety eight twelve hundred bones from some ten human bodies were found in the basement of george washington's old house it was later revealed that the bodies were used in the study of human anatomy. Is that true or false mace. I'm gonna say that's false. Okay to say screw. But i think i think what it may. I mean ramona. Be the wanna go first. Because she can go the false. I'll say to use the weirdo. I guess ramona. You are incorrect daisies. Right it's false. Uis actually benjamin franklin who had the bodies in his house so ones that one meets. Let's go get and i hear you. I'm gonna call everything to a stop right now because coming up next for you is sodano. L z and cap. We are back tomorrow at twelve. Ride a effort fried. Momo here in for john's going to be weird seeing amar stick with us all afternoon. Seven ten espn.

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"Jason sanjay willing to the podcast told building. Well good morning everybody. Is it a good morning. Some people more is it is. He'll tell you what for an nba. Yesterday what a day i've my. My phone was down the lake. Eight percent by just kept buzzy almost got into four accidents on my ride home. Because i i kept getting breaking news all the time onced it. And if you're like you didn't hear what happened. Scott brooks how did scott. What what donnie nelson. Now he's out. he's been there forever. he's going what happened there and it just it just went on and i remember when he said to us like there's more to come guys show is he's like. Oh yeah. brace yourselves more to come. What does that mean well. We started to find out as the day went on and then of course it ends with the phillies special. Yeah you're the police special. Would we call this a great hawks comeback or his this. Well actually another sixer melt actually. Didn't end with six meltdown. India with paul george getting his double double that the basketball night. Pg winded at that. Yeah but it started with fairly got it for thirty four ninety nine you can own a masterclass delivered by build up the seventy sixers and how to blow comebacks thirty four nine back to back. I mean that's a discount by seventeen right up by eighteen. Eighteen game four up by twenty six game. Five twenty six is is this honestly. is this the process. I mean is feeling like the reverse process going. i'd just fourteen. That was supposed to be great defensively for a player that said i should be defensive player of the year. I just once you get in that situation where third quarter up. Twenty twenty plus points. You have to be looking around at your teammates being like we just went through this damn thing and game for like it happened in again not today not gain five. Not again not going to happen. They slowly started. Chipping away in the fourth quarter. You could fill it. Yup you start to feel the heat in the building was getting real thick and you can look at the stress on docks face as he was trolling the sidelines. Unlike yet get rid had this skin ready to collapse and then all of a sudden he got down it. didn't they went up by three two. And then all of a sudden it was like who they've pump fake it trae young. He pump fake. They fall in the him he throwing it up he get three free throws. I'm like iraq. Always talk about if you had green. Is you be different person. So i know look special i i cannot stop staring at the is ben simmons you know why because in the fourth quarter did not want the ball. There's no worse feeling in the history of sports then when you're is that though because because he's a horrible free throw shooter but what is that the what is i don't want it is it is I don't have the confidence. I don't like what is it for. Fourteen from the free throw line. He's the first garden. Nba playoff history. Key history i guard. Nba playoff history to miss ten free throws in a playoff game. I ain't never known a guard to be a bad free throw shooed. So here's my thanks usually is what i'm telling you that is your the engine of the. You're the one that needs to get the offense going because you play with pace. And they played when he starts going downhill. but when there a hacker been strategy. Bend the ball. So it's a hell of a a hell of a dichotomy from demonstrated performance. Lack of confidence also comes from shoot the ball. Even if you miss just shoot the ball you gotta go back to. When you was a kid playing basketball in. You did want to shoot because you thought everybody was gonna laugh at you and then eventually you're shot started going down or what or when you're a kid. It's like four three and he gets fouled and he goes to the free throw line and then you missed the free. Ain't doing this free. Throw thing i'm gonna just may fine. They need to dig deep and find out what the problem is. That i don't wanna shoot because this ultimately is going to cost him an opportunity for championship. If that's really really how he feels before we hear from ben which by the way talk about the look in his eyes it sounded in his voice as well. Let's point out one thing. We're talking about something that's a weakness of his. He does have one very elite strength defense and that was missing to. That's been missing as well. He's like when your controller like the battery dies and the guy just stands there on the on the screen video game like that's what he looks like. Sometimes it's completely checked out disconnect but maybe that is a result of his offense yes product of the result of the offense is now playing in his mind too so he can't focus in on what he does so well instead of saying. This is what. I would tell you if i coach anymore. I'm near. I'm just telling you straight out. Just play defense man. You see agree with that. I didn't know what he can affect the game here on the free throw line. I hear you being disruptive but the amount of ball screens you watch trae young. And there's nothing he could do is the same reason we talk about. Pg and kawhi leonard. Her sue i here in the first half trae young on a floater. Personally i mean. He spiked it. Spiked it like his pursue pursue and that pursuit was gone. Second half let me bring you through a thousand ball screens in a game and let me see how you're listening but i'm just trying to tell you i'm somebody's lead. Okay condition for that. I hear him condition for all of that. That's why we run them damn suicides on the court up and down and back and forth. Okay that's why we can this. I'm not making excuses for try all right well. Let's hear from. Ben simmons on a game that if you're a sixers fan like the one. This was painful. How did he feel one was paying. Take listen oh god you gotta do three throws i got some fourth quarter of the last two games. Ben simmons zero zero in seventeen minutes buys heresy zero a five in twenty two minutes and aling gates our producer. Your guy your mvp. Oh jewel beat one of ten phil goals in eighteen minutes. I'm saying fourth quarter stats. You're looking at your team. You're having questions about defensively and but your stars aren't performing at the level. You need them to perform in closing time. How do you feel about the alan gates. We need to hear from somebody with boots on the ground. Please listen man. Embiid beads doing what he needs to do. But when you got three hundred almost four hundred million dollars tied up in two guys who don't want who don't want to get a bucket. Ben simmons is leaving ten fifteen points on the floor running around in front of the rim and he passing the ballou j. I can't have that. I know pets. This i'm upset. Everyone's bad it's ridiculous confidence as it seems like his broken me at the rim. You pass the ball play. You can't play player of his. Confidence is broken. Your now in elimination fixed confidence because as i looked down my bench as i looked down bench and my replacement. Who am i replacing him with. What's my better option. do i do. I died with dr. Go down swinging waiting. Do i just give up. Hope it just grab somebody off the bench and throw him in givers. I'm saying i'm dying on the hill. Do i'm dying on the hill. With ben simmons. Yes why ben simmons. I didn't i inherited ben simmons. He's a star player. He's one of our max players being like. I can't just change that. Don't get out of this series is brett. Brown was one of took the fall. And ben simmons and brett brown will like this. They were very close. So you remove brett brown. Blame him for breath rounds already. So that's now dachshund relative who's next ben. Simmons is next most likely if you can move him that look there are teams that will take by the way. Be happy with it like us it. It brings me back to win. They were trying to get james harden and it turned into this major debate about ben. Simmons james harden. Okay daryl. morey was the one who went public with that too Maybe a little bit too much. They're asking for supposedly. You're giving up all of a sudden him. Ben simmons a laker team clutch. Here they come. I'm not he'd like. La does he have any connection. I don't think he really wanted magic to train him. A little bit so you know Say espn eight seven to nine. Three seven seven. Six part of this covered. There's a there's really a million ways we can go with the nba today of different Conversation to get to so a lot there to discuss so coming up though so the liberty bell. Not the only thing in philly that has cracks. That's after key. Yeah i know that was aggressive. Has this from goodyear cheesecakes. Goodyear knows when the season starts heating up so through the possibilities play off. Hopefuls are beginning to emerge contingent solidifying their position from here on out. 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Get up on espn thirty at eight eastern. And i take ten monday. June twenty first match all morning magic monday. So what's different. I just was saying about the form. I wish. i could've seen show the great western form and showtime and. I wish i could experience that god it was. It was just amazing. It was amazing it was made like for for laker games. Amazing just heard stories about like. Yeah kings kings played their how that sounded concerts in that place. Had this special. he'll to it. I snuck in one time concert there. Who'd you see rolling stones no It was prince of it was prince in purple rain. oh yeah it was concert but it wasn't purple. Relax well we spec in bene- from the hood. They'll dog we do understand. What does that mean. that's what we do. Nobody else manila sneaks in you know call up you grow up fast. So you like. He was a teenager. Yeah yes. Purple rain was being played in my house. Also of course a lot of household boys. Okay you know you twelve but you really eighteen do an eighteen year old stuff for shoe or whatever that's only exclusive to where you came from. That would be the case but you know just do stuff like that. I get you a get you in a club right to this though back in the day. Oh my god this was definitely the saying this in your car and then you're at the stop light going not talking to somebody is just epic is like the garden. Yeah smaller it was it was it was the lower seal only differs as he never mind. Yeah lot of laundry laundry Understand the hanging the raptors. That's all. I do understand that but still though that was definitely a special building but and he will be joining us monday yeah. I'm looking forward to that. Also looking forward to key. And i Today tomorrow on. I take which will have plenty. I seeing you to debate each other engaged in debate. We'll have conversation conversation. The show respectful conversation. It's a show on her point. That's what it'll be okay right okay. Wait until he gets hyped up. Now there's no need to yell a great lasting that's right. That's a good point great. Cast yes ratings through the replacement kicker the sixers when this loss again. I wanna give credit to the hawks. We want to give credit to the hawks for being resilient and everything. But you can't when you think about a couple of things and you look at all the the the hissed the history behind the meltdowns that they've had in this series like this series should be oh so their biggest lead in game four eighteen. Their highest win probability was ninety. Five point five percent. That's game four game five because lead twenty-six it'd be like ninety nine ninety nine point seven. Oh ninety nine point seven percent probability to win and they lost. This has been historic j. historic so philadelphia. There are one hundred and sixty five and zero. When leading by twenty-five at any point over the last twenty five seasons regular season the franchise and postseason yes the franchise and so they've never in the last twenty five years lost when leading by twenty six point historical meltdown. My god now. The problem is you gotta get hawks credit because they never let go the role you so yeah you gotta get into credit. Even though they apply the pressure to the sixers for the sixers fold they had to apply. That pressure started making shots. Yes the sixers looking into rear view mirror and all of a sudden you got louisville. Cook it yep trae. Young trae young type. Things in capella started to sorta kinda get in the mix. So you gotta get him some credit and they kept finding the matchup gallo at six ten with seth curry on the post like. Yeah match a mouse and a house right so last night watching the game. I'm just watching it. And i'm sitting there whole time with my hand on my chin rubbing my little morning beard. I'm saying oh damn doc down. This is a narrative this keith rowling and getting worse in dhaka's my boy and i love rock and i just glenn i just hate it for him that now i think he and i started talking about. Why does his foul doc. Is that a narrative or is it just. I mean it starts of stash. It happened to be. He's been the head coach in five of the last eight largest blown leads in the last two postseasons. Five of the eight largest five of them in the last two doesn't sit well just when you look. He's been in the chair for you. Go and you take a look at it you go. What are you supposed to do do you if you inherit ben. Simmons ben simmons down in the fourth quarter. I mean if you're in a title with five minutes left to go do you sit. Ben simmons he did address. Let's call that straight talk. Brought by straight talk wireless. I'm throwing the guy's a curve here. But here's doc rivers talking about what he should do it. Ben simmons in the fourth quarter. We gotta heat that up. Well you don't think about it is We tried our best early on to make things working in a zone. I guess they weren't there in that if you go back and you look at j. Because he played in in. You know at home because you cover. There's been other players that have struggled at the free throw. Line leading games The caveat to the situation is it could backfire on the opposing team. All you gotta do is make one right. Make one make one and then they'll slow it down because you could sustain that lead by just making that and if he can somehow figure out how to do that do you. Don't have to worry about taking modern game. You don't have to worry about. I go back to go back to his. His greatest asset is his defense. And you had the lead guess so you know. It's the same thing as had the lead. Throw it down the field. I'll say everybody. You can't have been simmons on the floor in a tight game in the fourth quarter can't do. It wasn't a tight game. I i admitted to go. You had the game in control. Get stops okay. They couldn't do it tasted gets credit. You know there's there's a hack of been strategy even if you're not in a close game i can sit there and say hey. I have to gaza on the bench. That are my go. Getters who give twelve thousand just go bid rigging brigade came. Make once yes jake. But that's what. I'm saying. That i became us four or fourteen but not all in the fourth quarter. A lot a like. I said this is the now so we have game six tomorrow night. Seven thirty eastern eight points. Espn and espn radio. Four shots just before. I just don't understand ballplayer i'm an nba. I don't wanna shoot the basketball. Even if i miss. I ain't going to where if i miss i miss. I also think there's now there's a lot of pressure on atlanta the close it out at home as well. You got game six. Nobody they feel pretty good in their building though. We're talking about them nearly enough because we feel like this more of a meltdown. This series should be over but now maybe it is not all no all in. Nba defensive layers no all nba players on their team. I mean they feel like they're under today. They got depth at straighttalk brother. I should talk wireless contract no compromise. So the hawks again in game odds to win the game last night were as long as thirty five to one. And that was at caesar's Sports book by william hill. All right so coming up utah known for its film festival in yesterday it was. Pg thirteen delivering a rated r. form. It's very creative today. And that we'll talk about after jay. Has this from indeed. The good news is your business doubled. Even better news is indeed can help you hire the right people without the wait times of the typical recruiting process because indeed has a great hiring platform where you can make calls schedule virtual interviews and talk to candidates over video right from your easy to use employer. Dashboard is just another reason. Indeed delivers four times. 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Visit geico dot com today. That's geico dot com. Philadelphia was ahead by twenty six points and this atlanta hawks team that believes never gave up never gave up. Came all the way back. And they defeat the mighty philadelphia seventy sixers. What will die one. Oh six atlanta leads the series three games to two. They will have a chance now to wrap this up and move on to the eastern conference finals. That really happened. The call ninety nine the game as the hawks make an epic comeback to defeat the sixers. One nine one. Oh six in game. Five last night in philadelphia affiliate looked like once again well on its way to winning the game and taking a three two lead in the series. They helped lead us largest twenty six points but for the second time in three nights they allowed atlanta to come back and steal the win. The laws of the sixers tied for the third largest blown leads. The last twenty-five post seasons into western conference. No kawhi leonard no problem. Pg thirteen when rated r. as the clippers won nineteen one eleven over the jazz. No kawhi leonard because he's out with a knee injury. So paul george took the wheel finished with thirty seven points. Sixteen rebounds and five assists in the first player in franchise playoff franchise history to score thirty five plus with fifteen rebounds and five plus assists to the nfl with a bears. Wide receiver allen. Robinson is resigned to the possibility of playing on a one year deal. He said in a zoom call on tuesday quote. I don't have any contract updates or nothing like that. The bears place the seventeen point. Nine eight million dollar franchise tag tender on robinson. After the two sides were unable to agree to an extension last year robinson skipped the bears voluntarily voluntary offseason workout program but reported to this week's mandatory three day mini camp sports center brought to you by dollar shave club. 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Maybe going to la subserving fee la as your western conference no way. I thought the hawks will win. Last night i turned the game in the third. All sudden. I start getting alerts. I'm like what the hell is going on fourth and then there was no way. I thought the clippers will win without without kawhi with utah. And they're d- what's happening. Utah's estimated them going into game based on being there but it's crazy. They made seventeen threes in the first half. I'm like man is some kind of nba record for threes and a half but yet there was no breakaway. They couldn't the game was still close. And you're just like man that's not a good sign leading into the second half and all given up over one hundred thirty one game and then an average of one hundred twenty four points a game in the last three games. Shut out the reggie jackson man. I'm shot. he may chucked it goes in. That's what you know. You're you're in a groove. Now they're going back to la. The only problem is cut. Outs are the cutouts. Really gonna give them a lot of cardboard cutouts really give you momentum core. What is the trying to think. What's the allowed. I thought that's what i was looking. I thought it was june fifteenth but clearly. That's not the case. I think we got look at it at some point. But if the cardboard cutouts in there then advantage probably goes to utah. Base is not going to be a strong. Pg goes for thirty seven. Sixteen and five is. I just told you on sportscenter third consecutive game with thirty points and got help but still without kawhi. We wondered what he step up. He did it and we said this. Yesterday i was like nah. I really hope. The narrative is for paul george just because of what he went through last year in the bubble. Let me look. I heard quin snyder. Talk after the game and quinn was like they got around transition. Paul george got whatever he wanted when he wanted. But he had games george's career. I think so you had to finish though. And that was co going into the game. A lot of pressure was going to be placed on him especially coming off what we saw kevin durant be able to do despite not having his running and now all of a sudden you dow kawhi leonard. And everybody's all well it's it's a wrap. Yeah we pretty much in the end. Said it will be a rap but he could have an historical moment for the most part like he did last night on the road. He wasn't even at home. Katie was at home. Here's was on the road. But can i tell you why i i give ty liu so much credit. The adjustments that tyler made in the second half. I mean look. They didn't go big. They went smaller city matched up with all the pick. And roll at the run for donovan mitchell. Donald mitchell twenty one point six nineteen and turn break this down. No it's not they. It's not their job to worry about his ankles their job to capitalize on the fact that his was her and they did that right. Whenever you kwait one point towards one shot attempt for player so for players like oh he had twenty one points but on nineteen shots it. That's what you want. It was so amazing about what jayjay said if you watch basketball and you pay attention to it. And you've been following it over the years tyler tyler. Ty lue tyler Eventually king get that narrative off his back about lebron james. The only reason why you able to do what you were able to lebron james. There's no lebron james on his team. There's no quiet linen on the scene and he continues to advance them now. You get out of the western conference final or you get to the western conference. Final you coaching. You're making those adjustments. He is and again keep in mind too if they do. Advance the play. The sons chris. Paul we don't know the extent of how long because he is in the protocol now as we learned yesterday late in the show but it takes a little sizzle away it does. paul not. Planning is the clippers clippers shifty mile. I mean that's a great story but we would have to probably wait for But still the clippers though have the bigger loss in. That is kawhi leonard. Suddenly out we wait to hear you know the the extent of that injury. but let's hear ramona shelburne. Who was part of the reporting on the kawhi. Leonard injury. She was on the jump yesterday and gave us the latest on kawhi leonard knee injury if he has a tornado they know they just don't let us know you. That's not letting whisper. That's they don't need to do more imaging to recognize a torn. Acm yeah but it could be acom cop ceo. Could be all that it can be really bad inside. So yeah you still do imaging. What's his swells up. You want the swelling to go now so you can see everything that's an ear if it isn't it could be other damage done to ligaments as well which there will be something totally dillmore. God can you imagine that now again. He could miss the rest of the series. We don't again the they don't always think yet. They haven't announced that yet but missing the rest of the series so the questions that now abound. Because you know we'll get into this little bit later on the injuries that are hitting pretty much every team except coincidentally milwaukee so far down wound shinzo. Yeah you're right. They are missing him but every team has had its has felt the effects of injuries happening. We'll get deeper into that but for the effect. It has on the clippers when you consider that before this issue they were fairly healthy and they could have been that team you feel. Why aren't the lakers are out of the way. The nets have their injuries. Could the clippers win title now. Can they do it without kawhi this year in this window. Think considering everybody whose left an extra sleep inc. That anybody can win a title this year if to brooklyn nets are not at full strength. That's how i feel. I feel like if their full-strength denison nobody's but they're not going to be at full-strength. Why not kyri. Does that ankle. So if donovan mitchell is still plagued off his ankle injury now. i mean. He's had multiple weeks a month. He's been playing on this thing. That never goes away from you especially talking it. There's a month left. that's what i'm saying. We're talking about a while from now until the championship. Saying i mean if they get their all their wrist so you you still have to go through the eastern conference finals and then it's gonna play on ankle. How will it be. Do you do you. James corden's plagued with that answering the. Do you feel that brooklyn has enough to take on either. The hawks or the sixers get past them without kyrie. I would say because. I'm assuming hardens plan so you know i mean going to play hurt. Yeah i think the whole thing's wide open this year man. See i think. I think i think suddenly suddenly wide open. Yeah i died or at the win. Still stroll phoenix committed squeeze championship. The clippers can win a championship. Utah to win a championship. Like i don't know if the hawks have your hawks in saying man we got three two lead against against the seventy sixers. I'm looking at that. They're not fully at strength and they can't go and because of that. Their defense is heavily. Compromised when james howard's out on the floor. The nets defense is heavily compromise. But if your thank you jeff vantage of it like milwaukee the there at full straight yeah. I'm helping the tape tonight. Nba countdown on. How not degar. kevin durant. I mean literally. I went back and watch it. I can give you forty place. Forty plays what. What are you doing like. There's a one play where he comes up screen and it's with brin forbes right brim fours is all about six one six two shooter right to three point. Brainiac gets out there. He high on the screen is chosen a screen writer. J. tucker comes over to screen. I'm like travel and in britain forbes runs back to landry shamet recovering recover. Recover interns this whole back. Katya why you turning your back. Decay day face. Cardi team him. Give landry shamet the ball. Because i'm sure that's fine. But i hit the shoot over two of us an pj. Eight feet tall mascot. I'm much rather you ticket. Contested shot over to people or much. Rather you have landry. Shamet feel like he needs to. I'm just telling you the plays were mind boggling. So i wonder if they have to make those adjustments tonight. You have to if you're the bucks. There's no way you can't come out of this series like they've got their now must-win mode and there's so much fallout if they don't get this. Where where's james harden's health that now though he's gonna play his trip not playing. But where's that better than daily worse in game. Five can't be better after forty six minutes that they don't know how his body restaurants he looked like he had on a michelin suit in houston three days later he looked swimmers me rape so i mean like i see what you just did. They're saying you look leaning. I'm just saying he looked like the michelin man. He really did it really a uniform. We was like quick. Well you know you know they. The uniforms very slimming. I do wanna give janas shot out there because you know. Yesterday we played sound talking about him calling. Kevin durant the best player in the world. We all agree that kevin durant right now playing like the best player in the world. He did say though he does. Want to take on the challenge of guarding kevin. Durant have to. So here's my thing i have. I have no problem. No problem like my family. I think i want a car. That's my point i would just lead with. I'm going to take on the challenge of garden. Best player in the world. He's mine. I wouldn't even call them the best way of the world like i wouldn't have said no i wouldn't have said that but i mean i wouldn't have never responded and said that i wanna do is the day that now is like now now. You been pressured. Here's my point okay. You shouldn't be cert- or say it here you go. Let's watch game six at home. He just dropped forty nine seventeen and ten. It was a horrific shot defensively. There you go. Well i'll tell you what if he doesn't get it done. There could be a major break-up in milwaukee after this series over short for saying that keyshawn j. zubin brought to you by attorneys cordell and cordell fair divorce for men. Did their call one eight six six. Dad's law thanks for attention Looking who says is. I love this song for greatest american hero. I don't know who seems in. I would think it was somebody. Put it together like somebody put it together. Somebody i love. When i was a sitcom put scarberry as the guy. Who do you know who that is. Put together probably have to check still coming in a super hubei has like he had like a play. It was like a parody of a superhero. But he was like a normal guy. Kenny g. yeah. He had like curly hair. The poodle with jaylen here. No no so go. So yeah those kind of movies. I watched this song though from your favourite show seinfeld because narratives into the george answering machine seinfeld was up. You in keyshawn lies lies lies. So so you like seinfeld over. Norton see or alabama or you sang to me right now. J. natural television In radio that you did not ever watch an episode or episodes and adam appositely within a mile impo three episodes. There you go. I did you ever only did. I ever watch an episode of seinfeld growing up. No i did. Not record doesn't reflect from music but play the day of music. Greatest american hero zeh Who's your who's your favorite character in seinfeld who's yours. I'm asking you. I could tell you anything about seinfield other than i think. It was a sitcom comedy. And that was pretty much george costanza. Who's believe it or not in his answering machine and believe it or not was also used any state. Farm commercial starring aaron rodgers in two thousand seventeen speaking of aaron rodgers transition one. Nfl jr x. Nfl gm said on a podcast. Recently that aaron rodgers is selfish and disliked by team so guys believe it or not. Aaron rodgers is selfish and disliked by his teammates. Wow who who was analyst. I xe nfl gm on a recent podcast that he is disliked by his teammate and selfish so an anonymous an anonymous. I believe it disliked by his teammates. The selfish part. I believe the site by teammates at tobu. You think both are true because it's going to always be some people within the locker room that they don't like that's true. We don't like all along with that because they didn't block in a sensitive and always. It's always going to happen in the locker room with sixty plus your quarterback by nature yourself. Oh million there the the most selfish guys. You're on a team but because of the quarterback if the gulf always receiver it's never the quarterback because they're the leader. Whatever evan who is the general manager i dunno. It's anonymous see i. I don't believe that he's still look job. I don't like when people say quote so and my god don't put my name on it. Put your name on. it is fine. I know but it's the truth is six the truth is sixty guy. Okay s. I hear you all sixty liking. Say teams i. I need to hear teammates. Come out and say what is sexy and when you say all oppose them go stand up just because a guy says it doesn't mean it's actually the guy's selfish teams teammates don't like him coaches don't like him at all about aaron star go ahead of knew he helps guys make money. He puts food on the table for their kids and people respect him for that. But it's like a power play. I can't really say anything against aaron. Even though i don't like him. I believe it because he puts food on the table family. His success. I can hear that i can understand that. I'm not saying it's part of the pressure points. We're getting there. Getting starting to become campaign is being built. That is so by the time you get to the summer or you're in the summer time you get a training camp it'll be more. This is why he needs to move on. This is not but that's yeah this will be. We don't need them we don't turn into. We don't need planted and we'll hear more positive reports coming out of training camp about jordan love as opposed to a five picks yesterday. It's all about playing. We'll get believe it or not. We'll get to two or through five interceptions minicamp believe it or not. It's a big deal. Not a big deal. It was in a monsoon and it's not training camp is building a narrative. I'm going to build a different one. Dammit i mean it was. Breathing is originally florida. It always rains and raining pretty hard at the time. Well you're always say also gonna happen during the season what i would say. When were those picks were they in one on one drills when the dvd the receiver failed down. There was an interception was it was it. I'm going to try to force it in the window and eleven on eleven and at the ten yard line is it patent goal in the dv. Decided i'm gonna mess with to these. Are the things that happened in camps where you got the guy from hostile university who can't play dead and a cowboy movie sides that he's going to not run the route properly defeat improperly stop. That's the lowest. It's come thank you thank you pass. I believe it is definitely a thing. And here's why because this is your guy this is your qb one. This is the guy who drafted and if you've got media already seeing this they're going to write about it the narrative that's what we do and that's why this is a this is a concern you don't want a you don't want something that you're trying to sell his your future to look bad enough that he's going to have to stack more than just one. Good practice to eliminate without you make the joke of. hey remember. that's how many through five picks and minicamp. He's now he has to be so clean now over the next when he gets the training camp to change that or one more here. Jaguars past game coordinator. Brian sean hammer said yesterday. The team has named a starting quarterback yet he said quote. It's too early to say how how this thing is going to play out. I can't even get through without laughing. Believe it or not. The jaguars have not named a starting quarterback yet. Wait tim tebow has a chance. She's saying i believe they haven't named they starting quarterback. Oh gee that's what the man said. Yeah if you say they. They have air but they drafted flow air. You may not start yossi autumn s. Livas it's either. His hamstring is bad or gardner. Minshew has pictures gardner reason. He wouldn't start. It'd be of somewhere. In risk fracturing his thought if general lawrence has a glimpse roy. Everybody should be fired. Everybody hey what's up everybody. This l z. Granderson here to tell you about my new podcast audio card life out loud. This show is all about preserving the history and honoring the contributions of the lgbtq community. Each week. i'll talk to some of the most fascinating people paving the way for the more inclusive world these conversations can get heavy but this show is also gonna be filled with so much joy. I mean after all we are called gay people right so gotta be some happiness in there somewhere checkout life out loud with me l z. Granderson wherever you get your podcast.

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All Over Again

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All Over Again

"Hey it's dan. Patrick here to tell you about the dan patrick school. The sportscasting up teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting. Bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. You can connect with audiences no matter where they are or how they're tuning in learn more about full sail university. Dan patrick school to sportscasting by going to full sail dot edu slash espn interrupting. Got mike robot. Tony i hear. The caters are reportedly dying. Off from tony kornheiser. Now what am. I going to snack on what. Yeah so you've been some there florida and as somebody. Who's living with the cicadas. The noise is way down over the last two days and it does appear that they're garnishing so if and when you come back. I don't think you'll see any except the ones that have died on your car. Those sunday return his dad. I wanna see him in. Today's episode playoff p delivers. Rick goes out and roffe on the dog and naomi. Osaka pull out of wimbledon. But we begin today with the monumental collapsed to the seventy sixers last night at home in philadelphia they were up one atlanta by twenty six points in the third quarter. And somehow let the hawks in the fourth quarter. The hawks scored forty the sixers scored nineteen will bond. You come to celebrate the hawks or blazers. All tony i can do both and i'm happy to do both. We had a little bit of this yesterday. Didn't we with the nets and milwaukee bucks. And now we're going to have it again. I don't think the sixty seventy sixers were as bad last night as the bucks. Where the previous night. But tony benn. Where is he i mean. Where is ben simmons. He just wants to play one end of the court. Really and be a max player and be thought of as a superstar you. I'm sorry he's not a one dimensional guy. he's not the profile of dennis rodman. And so i look at that part of the sixers and say okay in bead may not be smooth and great like kevin durant all the way through but benson is where you be in the meantime. The atlanta hawks zone. They're right there with phoenix. I think as surprise of this post-season. I mean leeann hawks. They don't even have an established. Great player like chris. paul fetus. so you can do both tone. I think you have to do both to capture the essence of what's going on in that series well trae young is establishing himself as a great player. And i don't think you have to this particular sentence. i think. The hawks are relevant to this game. I think it's the collapse of the sixers. The philadelphia seventy sixers. You talked about simmons. You're right about simmons if you put them on the line he can't hit the shot. Thirty two point eight from the playoffs in joel embiid and i know people are going to say. He had thirty seven but in the fourth quarters of games. Four and five. Which the hawks. The sixers in ben joel embiid and tobias harris one out of fifteen in the fourth quarter. My if you are a team that says we can win an nba championship. You have to have a player who says when things go bad. Put the load on me through this. And i don't see that player on that team right now. That health who says put the load on me. I agree totally with atlanta's seems to have them. Atlanta have multiple trae. Young is establishing himself. He like twenty two years old. He is not an established playoffs star. But he's making he's making himself sixers. Man who the clippers were without kawhi. Leonard was still beat the jazz in utah last night. Paul george you boy. Tony lived up to a self styled nickname of playoff p. Putting up thirty seven point sixteen boys five assists. The clippers are now up three games to two with game six right here across the street in l. a. friday night. How do you explain. Last night's result okay. I'm going to explain it this way. Paul george who. I sit here and rip on a regular basis because i don't think he's ever done a clutch thing in his. Nba career rose up last night. When the best player on that team. Kawhi leonard could not play. Paul george played. Let's go over those numbers again. Thirty points fifteen rebounds five assists. I didn't see this. Common all credit to paul george for living up to the nickname that he gave himself on the other end of this game. Utah and this is surprising to me. You are at home or the number one seed and the best player in the series is not playing. You have to win this game so it seems to me to be what we thought. They were for a long period of time a team. That is wonderful in the regular season but does not have that second playoff gear. Because you have to win this one yeah on this you can easily justifiably go back to your december january february positions on position on utah until with a lot of nudging from me poking the bear you said right grudgingly given a little great. 'cause they did look great. And tony the senator rule is legitimate too. Because look mike trombley tony. I told you the absence of my collie everybody has to do a little bit too much for his comfort. Level with mike conley is not there particularly mitchell and i i presume this has been a problem. The whole series that going into game since is going to be a problem in that two of my colleagues not there and so and yes playoff. He ripped him. I mean he was clutch. This was a miniature kevin durant. I mean it wasn't you know kevin durant two nights ago but wow paul. George was great. The question now is tony with all the pressure coming from back here back behind me at staple center tomorrow night is paul george gonna be able to deliver something a ten to that. Not duplicate akin to the simple fact of the matter is that utah had its best player on the court. Donovan mitchell and the clippers did not have there been a court. And i don't know how utah looks at each other in the locker room. And convinces each other. They will win six and seven. We move on. This is a stunt rick. Carlisle is out as head. Coach of the dallas mavericks. Carlyle says it was solely his decision to leave the team after thirteen seasons nine trips the playoffs in one title. He had two years left on his deal. He says he looks forward to his next challenge. Just yesterday dallas dumped donnie nelson after twenty. Four years will on what on earth is going on down and big d. I told you at the end of the show when it was our big. Finish the donnie. Nelson was gone after twenty four years. It's only this is big trouble because this x. directly luka doncic who apparently is very fond of donnie nelson. Now what's going on. It's turmoil tony This is not just whether dak will get his money. Luca gonna get his money he going get it from somewhere two hundred million dollars of because he's a first team all nba player. But when you have. Rick carlisle and donnie nelson tony. These guys have been around forever there. It's been stable. They haven't had the turmoil of maybe some other nfl nba franchise but now tone. If you have a superstar. We seeing stars in the state of texas forced their way out of there. So you luka doncic can't do it if he's happy with who's coaching him and running the franchise. Of course he can't. I don't know specifically where this has been a problem. Percolate a little bit and now it's percolate in a lot so let's deal with this like adults who own the dallas mavericks. You have to go to luka doncic and you have to ask him. Is this okay with you. Because if it isn't he's going to leave. I love riccar loud. He now volts to the head of the line of every single coaching in the league. He gets whatever job he wants to get. Kenny gets a new coach. Mike you can always get a kayak and you can always get a gm. You can't always get luca danni so why have to assume that. Luka doncic has given his blessing to rick carlisle not being anymore because his absent. He's gone the first opportunity and then dallas into of the nba. That's what looked against read about a row. Rick carlisle who who. Who i've known since he was at the university of virginia playing basketball with ralph sampson among others and tony. That is what luka doncic didn't give his blessing to us and being fired which is what happened okay. He didn't give his blessing to that. So there's some. I mean there's some real big fences to mend right now in dallas and all the players are going to become available again. If i was the milwaukee bucks i would send a g six right now for rick carlisle. I haven't on a bench tonight. Wimbledon up to you ge- names roffe on the dow withdrew from the tournament and the olympics. This morning saying he's listening to his body prolong his career and they only soccer team announced this afternoon. She will also miss wimbledon in order to take time with family and friends but she will play in the olympics. Let's take them one at a time. We'll does the dolls decision. Make you feel more bullish or bearish prospects little dolls winding up naomi. Osaka is still taking off. I mean they're totally different places. And their reasons for withdrawing are different. I mean you know. We talked about this with the dow. We hinted at this past week earlier. You know coming out of the french open lee. Plays like a linebacker right. I mean he is not light on. You know like peter pan know of which i mean. So he needs to. He understands what he needs to do for his body to be ready for these things and talk has a completely different reason. She talked about dealing with anxiety dealing with depression that tony leads into her thinking her decision making although the olympics are different matter. I'm sure their contractual ties given she is the wealthiest female athlete. So these are very different circumstances in the dow. It's kind of like federal federal. Took some time off. He won a couple of times towards the end of that when he came out of it. Now we'll see if the dollar this fortunate yes. One is dealing with physical issues and one is dealing with emotion. One is looking at the end of his career and one is looking at the beginning of her career and trying to maintain equilibrium to have a long. She has to play in the olympics. she's japanese. She has to play in the olympics. it's in japan. I understand that it's very possible. If the olympics were somewhere else she would say. I'm gonna shut it down and take a whole bunch of time off but i don't think that's possible. Naomi osaka case being japanese. In as you make a very good point in two thousand sixteen. I think it was when roger federer was thirty. Five which is dollars aol. He dropped out of the olympics. He dropped out of the french open. He came back dropped. Dropped out of the. us open. he came back. He won the australian at an advanced age. Didn't go to the french and won. Wimbledon so probably said when people say i'm listening to my body. That's an ominous sign in. Means they see the end of a career and if he shuts it enough he can always win the french. It seems to me. But i told you like during the match with joke of attacks that you said boy the dow's up five one any looks old. He does not. He's smooth but the isn't there. That's he's awful bites his old. Let's take a break coming up. What should the mets to about jacob to guam and his sore pitching shoulder and jose iglesias. He made two more remarkable plays which one was better wasn't stories today. These are good stories. I expect that carlyle thing at all. Tony yes i'll get the show dallas mavericks. I mean there's some stuff going on. Pardon the interruption is brought to you by disney and pixar luca streaming this friday on disney. Plus as red. 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Attempted self validation. What's what should the mets do with jacob. Degrom let him pitch or make him rest art so degrom left against the cubs last night with a bad three innings faced. Nine batters struck out eight batters. His previous start. He won six against the padres. Eating gave up one hit struck out to graham. Says he's sick of this that these problems are minor. He threw ten pitches at one hundred miles an hour or higher last night. He's doing one hundred thirty eight this year next. Highest starter has a total of nine mike. He's the best pitcher no question about that. But if i'm the mets i look at where i am in the standings. I'm five clear in the nl least. I looked in my rear harvey who continued to pitch and is now on his fourth team. Since being with the mets because his arm went out. And i make sure that the ground. Mrs at least one start. I'll i'll say to starts. If we were playing what this would be colfax in i mean the brilliance of it will remind you of sandy colfax and the arm trouble while it's not the specific remind you of sandy koufax and so two starts tony. Five games of that was the first thing i did was look at the standings to starts and you take it out of his hands. Those starts and then if he's okay you wander. You know sort of spread fingers at the start. That would become the third. But i i sit him down for next. Toss jose iglesias catch the first one or the second one. Let me set this up. The angels playing these yesterday eglesias as a shortstop. Here's the first catch. He ends up. Backhanding the ball. Not even facing the infield. His body could around. Here's the second catch. He reaches behind himself. It's a long run. I think i think the second catch. Mike is more dramatic because of the way reaches back and then he does that ballet move but i honestly think the first catches harder. And here's why fielder is coming at him. They could be a collision. The left fielder could quote you. Call them off the ball at the very last minute. He relies on instinct. He makes the catch. I think it's a little better second. What he's these guys in in both. You know more in the second and seems to me but tony. I'm guessing the first one is caused by wind and sun. At least it looks like both of them. I mean. I spent a lot of spring time this time of year in oakland on that piece of property the last six years. I don't associate any wind with. There's no win. But their son. You could lose yourself in. They're both great great great great catches tony but the second one that gave me a while. Great fielder that's it i win. Let's take one last break still to come to zion. Have a problem with the pelicans. And the white sox. The pale host suddenly have the best record in baseball. But are they going to stay on top. You know what my over the course of the baseball season. Seven or eight teams suddenly. Have the best record in baseball works. More major. upton is brought to you by dave all new wednesdays on fxx now streaming on hulu. Happy time people happy fifty six birthday dan. Jansen yes chanter olympia. But since the olympic trials on tv every night now it got us into an olympic. Jansen was the original heartbreak kidney olympics. He was america's best speed skater. And a world champion and he could not win an olympic medal in calgary in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight johnson. In the five hundred meter race he fell again in the thousand meter race in albertville nineteen. Ninety-two jansen finished fourth. In and twenty six thousand again got no medals. Johnson went to lillehammer nineteen ninety-four record holder. In the five hundred finished eight his last olympic race ever would be the not only the jansen finished first but he did so when i'm never. His teammates. were so thrilled. They voted to have janssen. Carry the american flag in the closing ceremony. People talk all the time about perseverance and resilience and they use it. When somebody misses a free throw. It comes back history. The next one and announcers use it way too much. This is exhibit. A bronze at people ought to be careful about how they use those words the cheering when he won was enormous. Happy barton on this day. Twenty nine years ago. The suns traded. Jeff hornicek. tim erin. Andrew to philadelphia for the round mound of rebound barkley had been a great player for the seventy sixers but they never got on the eastern conference with them in his first year in the valley. The sun was voted league. Mvp and sons got to the nba finals. Listening to michael jordan's bulls barclays only fine barkley's phoenix and he likes to talk about the rally in the valley. Barkley had the same bad luck is john. Stockton karma drexler and others of bumping into jordan but look at barclay. Now he's beloved. He's the most important voice in sports and every day having fun. Who wouldn't wanna be him. Tony houses scottsdale not phoenix but galaxy and his charleston's on days. One hundred. Seventeen today if you says on the two hundred eighty eight war is why we live here. And he is a civic treasure in the valley and it is a rally in the valley rate chris. Paul and devon booker. His sons are playing happy trails to katy decades competition in the two hundred maryland's own caving the deck qualified for the olympics and the two hundred meter and fifteen hundred meter events by winning last night. The decky has won olympic gold in the two hundred before but this is the first time ever that women are competing in the fifteen had barely more than an hour between both races last night the decades time in the two hundred of one minute fifty five point seven seconds two seconds slower than australia's our young swim at her trials. But you have to think. The decky held back olympia strong. In the grueling thirty lap fifteen hundred and the decades time in the fifteen hundred fifteen minutes forty four point fifty was the fastest time in the world. This year. tony. I'm talking about about a mount rushmore of bethesda. Maryland sports walter johnson and katie. La- decky right now at stone stonebridge high school zone. I know a little bit about that. It's that anybody else anybody else. Second other than katie decky. Well tim kerchief. But i gotta go and it's a wonderful family. She's a great kid here. We're to finish the athletic report. Deal between zion. And the pelicans. Your thoughts is this huge tension and may not unlike luca and the mavericks again. I don't know what it's going to be coaching front office. What's going to happen there to lots of drama canadians. Even their siri. As i told you got it wrong islanders tonight who you got. I can't get it wrong any more than you got wrong lately. I'm taking the hometown islanders. The white sox tied with the giants for the best record in baseball. You can keep that up. Kept it up with marisa. Start the season they were projected to be a serious contender. Yeah are took the series and raised by the way showing that against the tigers. You excited about that. Yes he hit his nineteen th homer. Yesterday's babe ruth. He's pitching tonight. It's great last one nets box game six tonight. We got strangely enough to win. This game examined me later. Because i don't know what i'm doing. Them coach booed happy to hear that trying to next time. I'm tony kornheiser. Not the rest of my comments. Mike wilpon same time tomorrow. Knuckleheads in get the pti podcasts on the app. Podcast and now tally here. it's sportscenter. hey what's up everybody. This is l z granderson. Tell you about my new podcast. Adc audio called life out loud. This show is all about preserving the history and honoring the contributions of the lgbtq community. 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Hour 3: Winning at Augusta National

Izzy and Spain

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Hour 3: Winning at Augusta National

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast to historic night for two franchises in the NBA as players that have defined not only generation, but the cities that they played for the teams that they've been a part of our likely playing their last games at home. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty presented by progressive insurance. All guest join us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. And we've really been trying to break down the experiences different experts have had the people have been close to around not only Dwayne Wade, but also Novitsky so we're now going to go to the shell Pennzoil performance. I'm where we're joined by Donnie Nelson general manager and vice president of basketball operations for the Dallas Mavericks, Donnie, obviously historic night for Dirk you scouted him. The quote, we see is long tall skinny German drink water. What did you see in him? When you first saw him play man Jason Sarah us. He's a guy that had a knack for putting the ball in the basket from from deep and. You know, his body was just kind of you know, coming into it. But had the right stuff was definitely all of seven feet and a lot of times when kids show up from European shores. They have a tendency to sink shrink about six inches by the time. They get here. So though, no it was he certainly had the right stuff and proved it at the Nike hoop summit back in San Antonio twenty one years ago and ironically, that's where we play our last game tomorrow night. So it's a serendipitous ending to a unbelievable career. Tell me about coming to the states. We read that he was a bit apprehensive a little bit nervous. What was he like when he first arrived in Dallas? Sarah. He's a really kind of a lot like he is now he's just just an unbelievably incredible humble. You know, I guess superstar in the making back then did he was the end tip? Asus of Luca. You know, Luca really played at the highest level in Europe. And when he got here showed no apprehension whatsoever. I think Dirk had a healthy kind of respect for the jump that. He was making from Mayberry Germany, and it took him, you know, the full year and a half to kind of get a sea legs. But once he kicked in you know, he he never looked back. Was there a balanced for coming in make because you talk about the adjustment to the game of basketball? But he's also Justin to life in the US. I mean, how did he balance that in the beginning? Yeah. No. I mean to your point look, you know, we had to teach him where the Bank was how to bounce checkbook, you know, how to get groceries. I mean, it's literally literally or in a brand new culture. And that's where you know, certainly having you know, the city and the community, and you know, the Mavericks and having guys like Finley in Nash back in the day. The kind of teach him the ropes was extremely important. Donnie, Nelson GM president of basketball operations for the Dallas Mavs Spain and fits or Spain and Jason Fitz. So obviously even back at the Nike hoop summit. You saw he could ball put up thirty plus, but how long into his time with the Mavs before you really knew that you had this hall of fame generational player. Well, it was really you're too. I think when you really saw him kind of get confidence and come into his own, you know, year one really for, you know, any rookie, you know. Sands. The superstars is is really one of learning. So yeah, it was really kind of your to where you saw him to start to kind of get that that confidence a swagger. We're talking to Johnny Nelson GM president of basketball operations for the Dallas Mavericks. I'm gonna ask you a really difficult question here. But if you have to look back at the body of work, Dirk is there one particular moment that stands out as your all time favorite. Well, yes, it's it's when he brought a trophy and a parade the Dallas. And it's the first time in history. That's the city that we experienced that. He sang a very very bad rendition of we are the champions. Then. Yeah. That's that was remembered for many many years, you know, I wanna ask you about Dirk the person you've already alluded to it. But there are so many anecdotes about him. How he has an unlikely superstar won a great guy. He is can you tell us about the man off the court may be an anecdote or to that kind of shine a light on who he is outside of basketball. Well, I mean, you you can go no further than our last game. I mean here he is. He just you know, played a full contingent of minutes. And I walk out, you know, my door which happens to overlook the practice court in you know, in the bowels of the American Airlines center, and it's about eleven o'clock at night, and he is down there with attorney ill make a wish kid shooting jump shots and playing horse. I mean, it just shows the kind of part and compassion that he has for kids and certainly kids in need. And you know, really what kind of a humble superstar. He is. You mentioned the word superstar dear Dirk is obviously impacted not only the world. But specifically he's impacted the NBA. How has he changed the NBA? Well, I think you know, really the power forward position. And a lot of respects, you know, prototypical, if it was kind of one of those enforcer positions, I think Burke, injected skill into it not just being able to stretch defenses, you know, but to be able to, you know, put the ball on the ground, and, you know, you know, have the versatility of inside out in a lot of ways he kind of you know, maybe redefine the power for position a different way. But equally as effective as a guy like Kevin Garnett that did it with us lettuces them. And you know, all the things that he brought to the game. So I I think our sport is healthier as a result because the more talent you can inject too. You know, those frontline positions. I think the more aesthetically pleasing our game is to our fans what kind of emotions do you think you'll have tonight watching that final? I'm game. Oh, man. It's definitely going to be emotional. It's hard to believe it's been twenty one years seems like yesterday he had he Nash and had those really bad. Blonde ambition haircuts at their opening press conference with my dad, but no, it's just it's really hard to believe. It's it's over. And you know, the things that the fans don't see is, you know, the kind of leadership that is avoid that's just very very difficult. He's a lead, by example guy. He's played at the highest level. He's been at the lowest of lows in terms of the valleys, you know, that I go around when we didn't win the championship was very very difficult. And so no, I think were were really losing a ah basketball treasurer and a lot of respects that it just can't be replaced. We're talking to Don Nelson GM president of basketball operations for the Dallas Mavericks on Spain and fit, Sarah. Jason fitz. You've mentioned leadership a couple of times in Luca Danni his name. And and I really have to ask what has what is Dirk meant to Lucas development over the course of this year. Ever player. You know, from you know, you know, Luca Tocchet Pete's all of our guys. Really, you know, the example that he's set both on and off the floor and to be able to share locker room space, you know, pick up a couple of tips and just be around just a gem of human being like that is it's a lot of respects. It's you know, it's it's the highlight of you know, one's early career in in those guys cases talking to Donnie Nelson GM president of basketball operations for the Mavs. You know, you talk about leadership, and there's also something about deciding to stay in the place that you were drafted and not going ring chasing. I've heard you talk about how you're happy. He spent his whole career in Dallas. And he got calls from all the big boys and could have done somewhere else. But he stayed that not only affects his career and how he's remembered, but maybe the younger guys who are looking up to. Can you talk about what that means to an organization to know that he's loyal to you even as there's so much going on in the way of player empowerment and movement. Tell you what mistaken age, we're seems like, you know, guys changed teams like shirts. It's very very rare and Sarah. He he chose us a number of times. I mean when we drafted him back in the day. He didn't have to come here. He could have played in Europe for a couple of years Alexa bonus. And some of the other guys he chose to come here and to roll up the sleeves with Nash and Finley and those guys and then when he hit free agency, he got calls from all of the big boys out there that were knocking on doors, and it would've been a much easier road to win a championship. Honestly. And he he was loyal to Dallas's loyal to the franchise. And I just wish that was more commonplace. But when guys like Dirk and Kobe, and and the like, you know, hang them up. It's just it's. It's really really a tional because we have been have been just spoiled rotten for twenty one years Donnie on an incredible night. We appreciate you giving us a little time. Thank you so much for joining us more from anytime guys. Appreciate it. I think one of the coolest things about tonight's show is the opportunity to talk to people that have worked so closely with Dirk Andy Wade, it's been incredible. If you've missed any of it, check out the podcast because you're getting perspective on these guys that frankly, I've never heard anywhere. We're going to get back into twain. Wade the end of an era in Miami, some audio you don't wanna miss next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz. I tweeted Wendy's. I know this is the update the world wants Sarah tweeted Wendy's. And I said dear at Wendy's. I love you. That's all I got a response. Wow. Wendy is knows your alive and not just from the bills that you've paid them. Wendy's now follows me, and I got the emoji the little smiley emoji. With the two heart is so pretty sure I am this close to marrying, Wendy and by marrying her. I mean, just me junior bacon cheeseburger, I'm frosty day for life. That's all I want one a day junior. Bacon cheese. We're not the full thing. The junior bacon cheeseburger, which is perfect because Sarah, do you know, why the Wendy's cheeseburger is why the meat is square. I do not because Wendy's doesn't cut corners. Why see Wendy's at or is this the show now? I've no I was just just in case. When is this is this a sponsor read or just as you? I'm just saying that's a tryout. Maybe like in case, Wendy, turn me like turn. They're looking for new spokesman in case Wendy was like, hey, we need somebody to talk about the junior vacant cheeseburger. I got you girl. I Gotcha noted. Okay. Now, let's get these wrote me the other day. But you don't see me making a big show out of it. Well, you know, what if that's because reason is good as Wendy's? I mean when arby's rights, you you like when arby's rights, are you sort of that's like the first. At the bar that comes up to your like. No, no, no, no. It's in the building building building up to Wendy's. Oh, well, when you know, the funny thing is like all I get is a follow for money's. You'll be the one that gets like the big endorsement deal, and then won't show the junior big cheese per they're bad for true. But I still want them. And I love you Wendy at me. Dwayne Wade having a spectacular night, we expected this in Luke pomp and circumstances happening in two cities. And we're giving them both a lot of credit tonight. Because when we talk about Dirk Nowitzki and Wade playing their last games respectively. We think I mean, not not as security. We can't say that one hundred percent certainty. But it all indications seem to be pointing they're rolling out all the stop hundreds of their employees greeting him at the tunnel today when he arrived at the stadium there ski heads on every single chair numbers that have, you know, his number the number of years he played in the one for the one team that he played for it's pretty impressive. And what's going on down in Miami? Is as well. So far the. Videos and the sound coming out of that. It's been impressive and Fitz. Once we asked people earlier, if you could only watch one of these games, which one would it be most people said, why wouldn't I just DVR one? That's not the point of these polls. Tell you the point of the bulls that in this, particular instance, you have to pick one and someone pointed out there is more of a likelihood that way it's going to go off he's playing in a higher level right now, and they have something to play for. But that being said, there are still a whole lot of people that are in it to watch Dirk. And then, you know, are in it to kind of just see the pomp and circumstance that's going to follow with both of these right now. Dwayne Wade sixty two percent Neveh ski thirty eight percent for that pool. Well, the the people in Miami that are intendant tonight are seeing something special. We want to hear this. This is the intro. Dwayne Wade was given by his son Zaire, this was from Fox Sports, son. Check it out. Six four. Dwayne. And before that there is sort of a black and white video of Zaire fainting. As if he was picking shots around the court walking slowly up the stairs in an empty American Airlines arena. And then sitting down to yell at announce him. And then he's waiting out at the middle of the court with the microphone to hug, his dad, and Dwayne Wade gave a nice little speech pretty short but shout it all of his teammates, and coaches and said, you know, a lot of this year has been about me. I thank you for being supportive and gracious and generous with your time and in support of this run for me, and I've really enjoyed spending this last year with you. So he really shot it out them for allowing him to be such a focus throughout the year. And in these moments, I continue to think about our interview earlier tonight with Tom crane who is currently the Georgia men's basketball head coach. But coached Wayne wait at Marquette and him telling his story as we asked his impressions when when he first win win, Dwayne Wade. I went to play at Marquette, and you talked about. Coming in with the Nike bag in one hand in a trash bag with all of his belongings in the other. And you know, we forget about that journey for twin way because we're so used to seeing delayed the NBA player in D. Wade the impactful person that has influenced Miami so much we forget sort of the rock bottom that he came through and came from and in persevered through, and you know, that's such a statement tonight. That is not lost a man and continues to be heavy on my mind thinking about the journey for Dwayne Wade in how particularly special that's been. And it needs to be noted. I mean for both of these guys we're talking so much about tonight. They both had such unique difficult pass to get to where they are in so many ways, it's just it's inspiring for lack of a more inspiring word, it just truly is inspiring to see what they've gone through. Yeah. And also who they become for their communities. We just heard from Donnie Nelson about Dirk and his willingness to stay behind and take shots with make a wish kid that was visiting. We've heard count. Stories of what a great person, Dirk Nowitzki. Is you need only look at his Twitter feed from just a couple of weeks ago when he reached out to a longtime reporter who had been let go to say that he was sad to hear that and really enjoyed covering him. He just haven't heard much in terms of a bad word about Dirk Nowitzki. And then Dwayne Wade. You know, I just spoke about this on the show, but I was really moved by his eleven year old younger son coming out as gay and being at the Miami pride with Gabrielle union, Duan's wife, and and receiving this tons of support from the whole family that was there all decked out in rainbow gear, and Dwayne Wade shouting it on his Instagram and saying that they all support each other with pride that's a real tough age to do that and have the support of a professional athlete at Dwayne Wade's level. It's honestly probably a measurable, the the impact that that can have on kids around the country that are worried about the reaction to their sexuality or or how their parents might feel and having that person to look up to his massive will. And and when you think about everything so much of what we heard about the impact to Miami. These are the moments that you realize it for some athletes, especially athletes, for whatever reason, you know, with both of these athletes are there personified with the cities that they're in. And when you think about Miami and the community of Miami that looks up. Dwayne wade. He continues to use that platform for some sort of better. Good some sort of bigger good. I it's bigger than it's bigger than basketball. And that's Budweiser video showed a whole bunch of that. Right people whose lives he had very directly touched. And that's the I think the biggest takeaway from me today is that you know, the conversation is on a basketball court because that's where so much of the legend was made. But you're talking about guys that that took that basketball court and figured out how to make that platform a thousand times a million times bigger and to affect lives for generations. And that that's what what we're seeing. Today isn't just a celebration right now isn't just a celebration of twain Wade, the the the star basketball player, Dwayne Wade. The Miami Heat started this is a celebration of Dwayne Wade the human being and what he's done for the city of Miami. And that's I think the most special thing that has come across as we've continued to talk to people that have been so close to him throughout his journey coming up next. Speaking of incredible journeys, something happened at Augusta National. That's never happened before. We'll tell you. About it. And we'll talk to the person that accomplished it next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app Spain and fits it. Spain in fit Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz on ESPN radio the SPN app, Sirius XM channel eighty let's head back out to the shell Pennzoil performance line where we're joined by Jennifer Cup show. Winner of the inaugural Augusta National women's amateur first woman to win a tournament at the home of the masters, which didn't even have female members until twenty twelve Jennifer. This was the highest rated amateur event men's or women's in sixteen years. A lot of eyeballs on you. How much are nerves in play? Because of course, the special nature of the tournament more. So than maybe anything you've played him before. I would say I was a lot more nervous than they perform for going into the final round. I make we we as players really had no idea how many fans to expect out there. So I think just knowing that we were going to be playing Gusta people would be watching on TV. We would have fans I think it was all that that really made the nerves come out that night. But I think once I got to the course and was there with Maria and all the players, I think it all started to calm down. And we realize that it was really just we were out there to have fun. And that's how Gulf is supposed to be that being said Jennifer's the round sort of continued as as the tournament continued for you. Is there a spot where you still have to continually think about adrenaline knowing? How big this moment is not just for the weekend. But obviously for for golf in history. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, you have to think about how your how you look what you're trying to perceive. I mean, really I didn't think anything of it until you see on social media how much everyone loves the show that Marie and I put on of all the sportsmanship. We had towards each other. But I mean, I guess one big thing is with the adrenaline. You just have to realize that you're more pumps than you're used to. And you're gonna hit the ball a little bit farther. So I kinda had a just out on the golf course we're talking to Jennifer Cup show. Winner of the inaugural Augusta National women's amateur. I'm you played through a migraine. And I read that you've had this problem before in the past you had a fix for it. You could take caffeine pills and kind of take the blurry vision down a little bit. You didn't have any with you. So tell us what it's like to be in this high pressure moment smashed tournament. And then realize that this is coming. Back on something you've had before. Yeah. My whole high school career I had migraines. Obviously, they're not the greatest thing. And unfortunately, it came during my biggest moment that's for in my career. I actually did have caffeine pills at a about a set one. So I did take those one thing. I did it have was usually I drink coke or ice tea just to get more caffeine, and I had to wait a couple of holes before I got those Jennifer that's interesting to me because I suffer from my grains, and have for a lot of my life. And there's an anxiety that you start to get when you feel it coming on because you know, what's about to happen. I mean on top of everything else sort of how did you manage that feeling of knowing? Hey, this is about to happen. And it's going to affect me. I would have to credit my caddie a big part on that just because I told him. Hey, I'm I have a migrant is getting one of and I told him usually it takes about an hour or so for my blur in this to go away. So I'm gonna rely on you allot, and he really helped me through that. He he said, whatever you need. I've walked down the fairways with my eyes closed. It's kinda just was able to follow his lead as well as I just was taking depressant trying to get as much as much oxygen to my brain. As I could have crazy to have to fight that along with the nerves and everything else. Talking to Jennifer cop show winner of the inaugural, Augusta National women's amateur. You mentioned the the sportsmanship, and it was so great to see you and your opponent down the stretch. You know, hugging each other Pat each other on the back making sure everyone could see that you like each other's company. You were rooting for each other. Even in such a stressful moment, that's tough to do. And I think the message it sends to people is to play golf together to enjoy it. And we'll certainly encourage more people to play I wonder as you were getting ready for this tournament. Did you dream of playing the masters at your dream of getting to play Augusta? I had actually played it two years ago. Obviously before that I always had wanted to play it. I mean, I think every every kid wants to play Gus national a big other big name courses. So I think yeah, it was always a wish for me. But I think it was even greater to get to play in a tournament setting given the the history that was made in the outcome, and sort of the way it took the world by storm has there been anybody. That's reached out to you to say congrats that you've had to look at your phone. A couple of times and say, oh my God. I can't believe they reached out. I mean. Yeah, I got I got one from Ian Poulter, Freddie, Couples Texan me Nelly Korda PGA. I mean, I think there's even more. That's crazy Curtis. Strange. I mean, I mean, I could go on their list. That's crazy. What a great feeling Jennifer Cup show. Impressive back-nine eagle on thirteen three birdies in the final four holes after it's all over you've gone into the room where everyone gets their green jackets. You get you get the bowl you give it a kiss. And what does it mean? Now, what does this mean going forward for women's golf at amateur and LPGA level? I think just to be in that same place where the green jacket is given. I mean, I mean so much. I mean, everyone wants to be there. And I'm sure it will there will be even more support in the future years. And I think the PGA. I don't know if they fully support it completely right now. But I know that they will in the future really support this tournament just because it gives so much excitement to women's golf and for and I who have our PGA cards and are going on tour. I think it's just gonna be become a great atmosphere, and you will always be the first ever women's winner. At Augusta National at that women's amateur wouldn't exciting thing. Thanks for making time to talk with us today. Jennifer, thank you so much for having me what a thrill and this is masters week, which means a whole bunch of people. I work with are going to not pay attention to their jobs at all. I'll be fine. I think it's interesting. But I'm not that person who loses my mind as soon as masters week is here. We'll have plenty of get ready for that. You know what? Go ahead. What's that? Or do you want my quick master story? Sure. Yeah. Okay. So this is this is. Absolute Trump sitting on radio in Nashville when I first got the job at one or two five the game a fantastic ESPN affiliate down in Nashville before it came up here. And everybody was talking about the masters, and I was telling them how I just don't. I just I just I'm not into golf. It's not my thing. Right. And so my co host was like, you don't understand until you walk a Gusta. How powerful it is. And I was like God. Maybe during the commercial break, I got text from two different guys. That are like dude you walked Augusta. We played the eighteenth hole at Augusta on different tours. I played private events on the eighteenth hole. Augusta on both tours they asked if I wanted to play golf on the course, and I was like, nah, not my thing is wrong with you. I've just not into going golf. No. I don't play golf at all. In fact, at both both times, I was invited. I was like I like some of the crew guys really liked golf. Let them play like, I don't care about golf. That's that's my master story. That's nice of you have twice for cheetah somebody that cares twice. At the Augusta at Augusta. I passed up. I really wanna clip this off and send it to. Stugatz. Because that's like his entire life stream. I heard about it and. Two times two times. I was like, Nah, I was like and you have to wear long pants certain all it's hot outside outfits. I'm fit the model child. I am that's fair. And I'm sure that both Stu gods and trait and like, honestly, right? Trey I'm sorry in advance. I don't I bet you trace played my God. Yeah. How how is put? Yeah. How plays found his way there? Oh, there's no doubt. There's no. But he's still he's still insulted that I passed on the opportunity twice, of course now. Hey, spring is finally here, and you know, what that means mazing deals on the first tulips of spring from one eight hundred flowers dot com to order thirty sorta tulips for just thirty bucks. Go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. It's pain in fits Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz on ESPN radio took a little bit of time UCLA has found their next basketball coach, but the search was less than pleasing for at least one UCLA Hallam will hear from him. Also, the player, you least want to miss his or her last game ever. We'll tell you who you said next Spain and Fitz spills like the right way too close. This show. A lot of memories lot of memories on this show. We got some great guests props to our producer stash and hooking us up with some great folks to reminisce about Dirk Nowitzki, and Dwayne Wade who are both likely playing in their final home games tonight. Again, Dirk has not officially announced it, but I think the hundreds of Mavs employees that greeted him the big giant, Dirk Nowitzki heads on every single chair and shirts and hats and everything else. Give us the sign. We're looking for we do await the final word from him. But yeah, lots of great memories tonight. And we asked you guys here on Spain and Fitz ESPN radio ESPN app, Sirius XM channel eighty of all the pro athletes currently playing who do you most want to see play in his or her last game? Which one would you least like to miss? You gotta be there. You guys gave us all sorts of answers. A handful of them a dinosaur Ozzy Jaanus onto Jacobo Sidney Crosby. Serena Williams, sue bird, Tom Brady, Canaan Taves. A lot of people said the Tom Brady, by the way, half of the people saying we're because they wanted to see him and the other. Half said, they'll be crying tears of joy. And they're waiting for that day to finally comes that, they can say goodbye, I want to hold gospel choir behind all of that doing the class. Aaron Rodgers got a handful of votes. Lebron, of course, got a handful of votes. Interestingly I think there are some people Ovechkin another one that got a lot of votes that like people wanna see because of the legend. And then maybe because they're lacking that one person that they feel about connected to and that's kinda wear them out right now. I don't have someone who's like my old, Michael Jordan, right or even someone that was like a like Brian lacquer. But but I think right now Jonathan tapes would probably be my top Chicago athlete in terms of wanting to see that last game. And I think I'll go back to peck arena with the connection he has with hockey fandom. I think, but I think that it has to tie into the city in particularly that that's like you mentioned a kin. That's a great coal considering not now that he has the Cup. Right. Like, right. When you think about the level that that even took it to Kane and tapes, you've got this partnership that invigorated an entire franchise that hadn't won in so long, and then one three in the span of seven or eight years like that's it's been a couple years now since they did that. But when they hang them up wherever they are that they're gonna be forever. The greatest in the history of the franchise, and it gets tougher and tougher for that to be assigned to an NBA player because we're just so used to at this point NBA players just changing teams. I mean, and Dwayne Wade did that impair nece I want to make sure that we catch them separately. Dirk nowitzki. Didn't he had the opportunity to go? Elsewhere as we we mentioned earlier when we're talking Donnie Nelson like he stayed in Dallas for all of it. I don't that's going to be really difficult to imagine happening for a lot of starts. I think Milwaukee fans right now are hoping that Jaanus is the the outlay of it's hard for some of the people that you think about right now. Oh when that person. Hangs them up years and years from now, you don't know where they're going to be right. You don't know what their careers going to be the dumbest answer. And I wish I could scroll back and find the person who gave it but Zion Williamson, and it's twofold, one asset current pro athlete, and he has not declared. He's not been drafted in these never played a single game. And to how can you already say that that's the one person of everybody that exists that you want to see their final game when they haven't even played their first one you. Oh my God. Yeah. That is a that is. I don't know about that. It's being a bit sarahspain and Jason Fitz ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty we often have Sean farnum on this show talking college hoops, and he was on with golick and wingo talking about something very close to his heart. Obviously. One second shown very easy very excited about this former UCLA player, and as UCLA continued it search finally today happened upon someone anyone willing to take on the job before the name was announced. This is what he had to say about. How embarrassing the search had become look, I am a die-hard Bruin ongoing. I'm going to support my program all the way throughout but this is embarrassing. We've had one hundred days to figure out who our next head coach is going to be there are other programs that have made their decision in less than a week. We have in the last week publicly seemingly offered the job to two different head coaches that both turned us down. This is not a good. Look they need to rectify the situation. Go ahead. Well, and he's right and Mick Cronin has been hired Cincinnati head coach. But but Sarah, and this is going to sound particularly harsh. I'm sorry UCLA fans. It is time to accept that your program is now what I call a leverage program. I mean what happened? I mean when Rick Barnes was part of the conversation. Tennessee head coach, I said it on Memphis wanna talk to our buddies over there, the SPN affiliate the other day when when the conversation started with Rick Barnes. I don't think Rick Barnes ever had the intention of going to UCLA. He looked at UCLA is an opportunity to get he and his assistant coaches at Tennessee more money. I mean who would have ever thought that UCLA basketball would become the sort of job that you use for leverage to get a raise where you are. And that's where they are. And I it's unfortunate, and it's a cycle. I don't know how to break because not only does UCLA to a certain extent. I do agree with that. But there is sort of a difficulty when you play on the west coast, and we saw I mean how. Many people watch Oregon basketball this year. How many people watch Pac twelve football? This is always the the problem it's harder to accomplish stardom. And it's harder to get some of these kids to come out and wanna play on the west coast. When you combine that with the faculty are not great each. So yet that second part is the important part. It should not be difficult to recruit kids to play in Los Angeles at a program like UCLA in a beautiful city on a beautiful campus. Absolutely. This should not be an issue. Whether or not they are not as many people watching at that hour of the day come on man if this team gets wins and becomes a contender. Again. That's a great place to play. We've just gotten so lulled into looking for the reasons why it's not a good program or not somewhere that people wanna be you get the right coach. And you bring the winds back, and you manage to recruit there again. That's a great place to be the problem is you're right. It's just it's it's gotten to the point where you're you're wooing people from Texas Christian or Tennessee, and they don't want to leave right at. You know, I think that they can dig themselves out of this whole, but it's gonna take a little bit of time. And it's gonna take patience and they haven't been to a final four and more than a decade. They haven't won a national championship in almost twenty five years, but they have a name, and they have a great place to play if they can just get the right kids to show up in an actually get some wins. I don't disagree with that. I think it will take a couple of years of deep tournament runs to make them relevant. Again. I'll go back to something. And I know college football's and a little bit different spectrum. But it was a great point made by the Pac twelve when I was a college football seminar for ESPN talking to the people from the conference in their point was and if a touchdown happens early in the game on college football Saturday in an early game. You spend all day seeing that touchdown over and over and over again for the back twelve by the time they play at night. Unfortunately, the highlight would come the next morning and by then everybody's onto the NFL on Sunday mornings. It's sort of the unfortunate you re with you. Listen, I'm not I'm not saying that there, isn't that element. But that is not enough to. To change. What has been a historically great program and all of the benefits of playing their whole the benefits of trying to get guys to come to a place like Los Angeles over middle of nowhere, Texas or middle of nowhere. I alwa- or Minnesota any place. It's just I think we become so used to it not being as relevant that we start to accept some of the excuses. They've given themselves with other people have given them that are just s to me. It's just a program is not built on. How many superstar highlights you see you can tell that by team like Texas Tech or even UVA right? We see a lot about them. But that doesn't mean that that you know, we spend a lot of time raving over the highlights in the big time plays and putting them on sportscenter sufficient, they get it done. That'll will come back to what UCLA wants because you're not wrong about that my mind like begins aga-, you know, we always talk about Gonzaga being consistently very good. And again, Oregon this year, they went on a little run, right? And it can happen. But it just depends on what UCLA basket. Ball wants to be if they want to build a program around super super, huge high recruits. I don't I don't know that that's going to be there possibility which means they're going to have to accept. We wanna build slow and steady wanna be like barbecue slow and low that takes a little level of patients that I don't know that UCLA. Yeah. Right. That's desperation to get back its benefit. Speaking of desperation, by the way, Anthony Davis desperate to get out of New Orleans and Nick Redel reporting that tonight he showed up he hasn't been able to play for a while. Because of what the pelicans are calling lower back spasms. But he missed tonight's season. Finale showed up at the at the arena to face the Golden State Warriors wearing a that's all folks shirt or as the famous porcupine line at the end of looney tunes. And of course, the message that he has for everybody in New Orleans. It was on the pelicans insta- story was later deleted when I guess they realized they weren't sure what the sentiment was behind it. Right. Was it in screw you guys? I'm outta here. Or was it wasn't. You know, that was fun. This is the end. God, I hope they somehow make him stay for next year to just make him. Stay just prove a point. Thanks for listening to the Spain and Fitz podcast listened to the show six to nine PM eastern on ESPN radio and subscribe to the podcast on the ESPN app. Spain and Fitz.

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Rick Carlisle Interview: Luka Doncic, Celtics Memories + Mark Cuban

Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman NBA Podcast

49:28 min | 10 months ago

Rick Carlisle Interview: Luka Doncic, Celtics Memories + Mark Cuban

"Going to take it Jus Legends in basketball analysis with over 70 years combined experience. This is the bar Brian and Jeff Goodman podcast NBA some college little bit of everything. You know, what can I say, but it wasn't going to happen here with him. I was okay because it wasn't about talent. I didn't think all right. Let's get right to it right now. Please do welcome into the Ryan and Goodman podcast none other than Worcester Academy Hilltop Rick Carlisle class of seventy-nine. Is that correct Rick? It is you've got a good memory. I don't have a good memory. I think people know that I just knew I spaced it together with the fact that I knew you started it Main in seventy-nine. So my my birth math skills allowed me to figure that one out pretty good. That's good. Yeah, you know Worcester Academy, he's got some NBA alumni Mike Malone went there. Donnie Nelson went there with a few others. There's a son of former Spurs owner Angela Angelo drosis his his son like John went to South Worcester with my brother bill came a couple of years after me. So well, is there quite a few Craig Smith went the BC was you know playing the league he was a Worcester Academy guy and Thursday we go way back when I was a b c myself. We had a very noted Worcester Academy guy Steve Allen man, who was a really great shooter first. Anyway Worcester Academy yesterday. You didn't know about Rick Bob when he was a dog. Academy you didn't go down to the top and do a big story on him know I guess I was occupied. It was like they had some guy named Bird. I don't know. I never know whatever happened to him. So anyway, what life is so we say what capricious right now? I'm in day-to-day and you just have to look at every day and hope there's no bad news in terms of you. Know, what? Yeah, I mean, you know having gone through this now for the better part of nine months and you know dealing with the NBA on all of this the preparations going into Orlando bubble restart the preparations for this season, you know, the the level of meticulous care and preparation to detail am coming up with medical protocols that you know aren't necessarily able to simulate the Orlando bubble situation. But you know, they're trying they're trying and so far with reasonably we recently good success to create, you know, like a traveling bubble. And so, you know took this point hasn't been any Tremendously crazy stuff and we'll just keep hoping for the best. Yeah. Well, it's a crazy. Well, we all know that so you so so far so so the season off and this little snapshot we have the season how you feel about your team right now. I feel better, you know in recent games were were playing better. We're defending better. Our makeup is different this year, you know, we have more defensive players. We don't have the same top to bottom shooting, you know with the loss of of Seth Curry and but also porzingis hasn't played yet. Yeah just adds an element of shooting and spacing you down at 7 for three that's extremely unique to say the least. So, you know, we're hoping it's a matter of days not weeks, you know before he's able to to come back call back into the lineup and work his way back in but games are hard, you know, everybody's playing really really hard. We have thirteen of nineteen on the road to start the season so I don't I can't imagine anyone has a harder. Yeah schedule, you know, our first six days of the season started December 22nd in Phoenix, then we went to LA so we missed totally missed Christmas and And from the 22nd to the 27th, we were on the road and then you know and then came back and you know, and so played a couple of games and we're back on the road again. Now, we got you know that we're two games on the road right now. We're back in a hold for a day and half and we leave for Denver tomorrow. So not going on. Yeah, absolutely and your your price Prodigy looks like she's continuing on this path nicely. Mr. Chi. Yeah, he's doing he's doing well, you know his start to the season was was challenging thought. He was one of many players that had gotten the word pretty early on that. Hey, this thing wasn't going to restart until January or February. So he was you know, he didn't have his boss is preparation and conditioning back home. Where needed to be when this thing started back up December 1st. And so he's fighting through it. You know, I don't know when this will be dead. Be out there, but last night we played in Houston and he had a 33-point triple-double. So he's yeah you doing better and you know, this guy is is a very special player. So I want to know Rick, you know, we see him on the court and he's smiling but he's a killer you could tell like an absolute killer. What are his practice Habits Like like what? What is he like when we do see him but you do. Is he the same way as he smiling and having fun yet, very professional and also able to kind of have that killer instinct in practice. I thought well, he's a competitor and his practice habits each year continue to get better and better. He's a young guy that likes to compete. So when we're doing stuff offers, you know, five-on-five competition or will have some kind of a a prize for a you know, winning a drill. I mean he reminds me a lot of Jason Kidd that way and if you come up with a dog To try to simulate something, you know kid and and digest or guys that will figure out the best possible way to manipulate the drill to you know, like practicing one day where yeah, you had to make at least five passes for you got shots. So his adjustment to it was to throw it back and forth to the fight to the to the center four times in the back one and then that you know, she can play you know, and so but but this is this is what great players and some of the real, you know, survive fingers that we've seen in the history of this game. You're talking about guys like bird like Magic Johnson Jordan, you know was it was very very similar LeBron James. I'm sure Kobe Bryant was was a lot like just too but as as as time moves along, you know, the the level of growth is really there and in all areas from Skillet. I meant to to leadership on the floor in games and practice. Convention Larry I had to get to it with because of the skill set comparison the division the creativity that that Luca has them. You know, now you play with Larry at its peak. Absolutely when you came to the team Larry was in the midst of winning going to winning three straight every piece. He was at the peak of his game before his back set in an elbow and all that good stuff. So comparison in terms of what they bring to the game what they see what what they have to offer to the game of basketball Luca and Larry. Yeah many similarities thumb, you know, a a sort of savant Simplicity level of thinking seeing things before they're going to happen, you know, both guys have the characteristic of at times becoming bored with the game and and getting into a getting into a club. Chat mode just to try to break up the monotony, you know, which is a little challenging at the beginning of our season this year with with the difficulty of our schedule and the fact that he's Luke has been catching up a little bit conditioning wise but you know, the the the great players that have the skill that have the vision that have the body type a look Larry Bird could have been a point guard in the NBA, you know and at six 9 almost 6:10. He was the prototypical perfect power for a perfect small forward, you know in the in during the entire eighties and a little bit into the nineties and each kind of changed over to the four position. But you know doncic is a good choice six seven, you know without shoes on he is, you know, phenomenally strong quick and fast, but he is Big Ang. You know people that were looking at film on him from Europe and trying to trying to try to judge his level of physical ability and stuff like that. We're we're looking at game where he's playing against the the international caliber athlete which is, you know, a notch or two or sometimes three below NBA athlete and so there were a lot of people that weren't convinced but he gets anywhere he wants to on the court and he just has the ability to make something out of nothing which is very very unique. Yeah that that ability to get where you want to go. You got another guy. That's a microcosm of that mister Bronson. It gets to go and yet he's not the greatest athlete on the floor by at his size. Even right debit Brunson Prince is a better athlete than people think perhaps he has but he has basketball athleticism his basketball speed. He is basketball quickness and he has a great sense for the game. You know, it's Jerry Rice was coming out of college, you know, he didn't time particularly well in the Forty but if you hear his interviews and him talked about he had he knew he had football speed off and he knew that he was going to be a guy that meticulously was going to learn to run routes and he was going to really conquer the detail aspects of the game which would improve his quickness off. Um, even if it even if it was it wasn't a measurable type thing and and Brunson is present as much the same way. So I want to go back Rick. I know Bob wanted to go to Celtics. I want to go even further back. I have a I have a weird question for you you play for Terry Holland at Virginia? Why did Terrell Owens retire from from coaching as early as he did? He was like at an elite level like I think he went to an elite eight his last year or second last year coaching. Do you know the answer to life? Cuz it's so rare these days that somebody quits at Forty-Eight years old Shox you do. I do know the answer but I'm not saying I'm not sure it's off. It's something that would be, you know fair to his Integrity as a person. He never he never talked about there were some things that weren't sitting well with them and I think I think it's best to just leave it at that. But you know, he was he was at Davidson believe he played a David Smith. And Coach the Davidson with Lefty driesell before getting the job at Virginia. And so there was an opportunity to go to Davidson back to his home school as an athletic director. He took that he had a very good run there and then you know, I believe he got back to UVA and in some capacity and the athletic Administration there and in this past Father's Day, we had an amazing Zoom call with him and a bunch of guys. You know, that that played for him clean Rob Sampson guys from their eighty one final 14 lamp breaker, you know, all those guys, you know, Ricky Stokes and and and a lot of guys they were you know, they really really helped make that program. So cochon is still doing well. I stay in touch with him, you know in a very consistent basis he and his wife and she has a podcast to if you ever really oh, yep. Okay. Can you send me he's doing great, but I appreciate your asking that question. I was just question. That was Rick where I've always wanted to know and never really got me answer. Maybe I should dig in and look into a store. The other one I have for you is Maine to Virginia. There are a lot of transfer UPS now guys going up a level when you did it was it rare and you found it kind of seamlessly to some degree when you look at it. You're you're good at Main and most guys actually did a study this past off-season most guys when they transfer up and I know this long as you know, thirty years ago, maybe longer. Yeah, I'm giving you the benefit. I'm trying to be nice to you with your age. But most guys you cut their numbers in half when they transfer up and for you your production was about the same and obviously you had a hell of a run in Virginia and your couple of years there. Yeah, you know, there was one person that was really very much response off. For my ability to transfer there and the success that I had there and that was Jim larranaga. Now when I played at Worcester Academy larranaga was the head coach at American National College in Springfield. It was around the the time when Muriel Ellie was going to be coming there when I was in prep school. I was the protocol division to you know, Prospect, you know, six five, you know, run around dribble it be, you know, dribble make a play make a shot dead. You know New England was you know was was looking Division division to New England was was starved for guys like me and but my goal was to play division one. Well larranaga, you know, he watched me play. He he thought that I reminded him. I think a lot of the way he played when he was coming up and he was at all of our games. I mean, he would come to all of our games he'd want to talk to him. We have these conversations and stuff like that. But I was not going to American International College. I mean, I you know, if if I was going to go division to it was probably going to be either assumption or better off, you know, both of those all those programs were were really high level division two programs. But the one who's in one school that was was recruiting me was made and they were really on the fence as to whether you know, they thought I could I could really play or not an interestingly. You know when you when I talked to Skip Chappelle years later, he and Peter Gavin was his assistant and and they were recruiting me they came to a scrimmage that we played against st. John's Prep which is another Worcester school. And I remember seeing those guys in the stands and saying to myself, you know, I don't know how I'm going to play this game, but these guys have got to see that I am like the hardest playing guy they've ever see and I just remember his guiding them. Over here and and after the fact once I got there and made me have been a year or two later, you know coach Capel said and he goes listen, he goes we didn't know if you could really play or not that that one track that one scrimmage, you know against st. John's he goes we just felt like God there's a guy that's going to play that hard. I mean, how can how can this guy hurt our program? And then once I got there, you know main name was the perfect kind of set up for me. It was it was a it was a kind of a Indiana, you know, Bobby Knight's type of offense read react, you know, um shooter friendly playmaker friendly stuff like that. And you had a couple of years at a couple of years there and you know after the second year we were you know to games about 500 again for the second year and I had told Coach into the second year that you know, if if things weren't getting better, I was going to consider transferring. So what happened was larranaga ended up at the University of Virginia with Terry Hollenberg. It wasn't he wasn't long for American International College either, you know, not that it's a bad place or anything but Terry knew him somehow and so he got to Virginia and then Thursday. You know when I decided I wanted to leave in those days you had to get a yet to get a release from your school and you had to call schools, you know, and so you thought I had to go through some stuff to get a release, you know main didn't want me to go, you know, it turned out yet, you know when this happened and I talked to some other players who had transferred done the same thing. You gotta you gotta friend lawsuits and stuff like this and then generally they come around and that's that's kind of what happened. But they you know, they finally said yes and then, you know, I had three visits I visited Providence and visited Syracuse and I visited yeah, Virginia and Virginia, you know had been in the final for that year Providence was in a rebuild wage, Joe. Mullany had gotten there. I took a visit to Providence and you know, and they were they were just trying to find anybody and Gary Walters had been the coach he was still involved. With the school and he told Joey goes and Joe was Jordan was an older guy at that point. I remember how old it was, but he had to be mid-to-late sixties. I went in there and Joe was telling me that we went to lunch. He was telling me stories about coaching the Lakers and you know, given West the ball and one side of the floor and because of the Zone the zone defense of rules stand in for guys at half court and guys had to stay within six months in Westwood just go one-on-one. This is fascinating stuff and and and my second year mein. We had played a game at University of Kentucky. Who was they were a top one or two team in the country club. So I had this VHS film of me having a pretty good game at Kentucky and I said coach this is coach mulee. I said, do you want to see here's a here's a video? No. No. No. I heard you can fly often enough. So I'm like I like, oh man, I don't know about this and then Syracuse, you know, I I had grown up going to their camps for years. I worked there can log For years, I mean they they knew me and then they they all of a sudden were interested cuz you know, they probably didn't want somebody that was kind of right at there right at their feet to go somewhere else and maybe maybe do okay and so I was in Virginia was really intriguing to me. I mean I had been in Maine which is you know, as cold as shit all I mean it is awful cold up there my second year. It snowed five inches in May at the beginning of may you know, and so I I got off the plane that at in Charlottesville Virginia and I mean, it was cherry blossoms in beautiful weather and and it was like Nirvana, you know, and then you know, I had a had a wonderful Vin that met all the guys, you know, met Samson, you know lamb speaker all those guys and it turned out that Jeff Jones who was the starting point guard. We're going to be playing his senior year which would be my transfer sit out here. And then and then I could possibly just slide right in and they had a position kind of built for a player like like like him and me and so, you know, once they offered me the scholarship it was you know, it was an easy decision. Look at that point if I'm going to leave Maine if I'm all this I'm going to I'm going to go to the highest possible level and find out if I could do it or not. And Virginia was it was amazing experience. I got to ask you one more Virginia question when we're Terri Holland question. Would you possibly shed any light on something that I've heard over the years it was either a Terri Holland had a dog named Dean or Dean had a dog named Terry that there was joking about that didn't use anything about their relationship that you can shed any light on another Goodman question. That is a great question, but I'm not I'm not going to go there. Okay. I'm going to go there too much respect. All the people involved in that we're getting to work with all these questions. 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Yeah, you're getting really to the edge of the Wilderness up there. I've been I've been up there different country and Thursdays, you know, it was snowing a lot more back in those days. It doesn't doesn't snow as much now for you know, whatever. It is global warming or whatever but I've never I remember there was one trip. We took from them down to Portland to play a game against somebody and our bus had no heat. Oh and it was it was ten or fifteen below. It was it was one of the most memorable horrible experiences I've ever had that was that was another thing that kind of got me thinking transfer the second year too. I don't blame you charlottesville's. Hey, Charlottesville, it's pretty nice wage. It's warm. It makes sense. So you're in your Thirteenth Year now in Dallas, how how have you changed Rick? I mean what I always remember him. About you was you were a tough effort for lack of a better word you were tough and I know last year. I think I even talked to some people around there and players that I you know, and they said listen, he's definitely mellowed over the years. No doubt do you have to is it is it age or is it the the way the game and the players have changed a little bit? Well, you know That's that's a a good question. It's You know the level of good fortune that I've had is hard to explain. You know, I I go back to and this is this is this is a long story and this is this is not this is nuts. But you know, I was playing golf with my dad a couple of days before I went to Celtics training camp in Nineteen Eighty-Four. Yeah, I grew up grew up in some golf and I just love spending time my dad out there and so I was hitting a few balls after we played one day. And I was leaving for Celtics Camp. The next one the next day. I was I was driving. I think I was driving there and I was sitting down my arms and never forget this and one of those red shag bags where you know pick up balls you kind of plug them with that tube thing and it starts to ring then I hear some Thunder should I go out and start picking up the balls and I bend over to pick up, you know one ball that I see and all of a sudden I feel something hit me in the middle of my back just below my neck and back seats out into my fingertips. So it turns out to get hit by lightning. Come on. Yeah, I mean that had to be what it was it was it was a very glancing blow or whatever. Oh so, you know, so what are the facts as I look at my career. Look I wasn't even going to go to camp with the Celtics. I was looking for a job in like France or Belgium or something like that. I mean, I thought I'd won a championship in 84 and I was somebody that was you know looking to just try to make money playing basketball if I could turned out that you know, the European market wage wasn't very interested in me. And so I you know, I went to Boston. First of all had to not get killed being hit by lightning went to Boston, you know off Bob Ryan not too long after you know, we had this training camp, which was really unique cuz you know, two of the starting players weren't there Henderson and Maxwell were dead. All of a sudden is 14 guys in Camp for rookies and ten other vets and like I'm I'm like in the in the the starting second unit every single day getting reps and wraps of men getting in these games and off and sure enough game to at Worcester, you know, or you know where I've had a lot of history about maybe maybe even remember this game. We were playing the Rockets. I got in there, you know, I had 18 points ain't started the game. He had twenty-five and all of a sudden, you know, the organization and read was around a lot in those days decided that I'm Danny could be the starting guard and that I could be a roster player. And so, you know Gerald got traded, you know for the pics it ended up being Len Bias college. Most people are aware and that was that was the beginning for me. And so I've seen a lot, you know, and and you get to this point, you know off of gratitude and and I have just for for everything, you know, but I always had such great love and respect for the game. I think that was one of the reasons I got good brakes. I worked I worked hard but but I was I was lucky and there were a lot of people that that did a lot of great things for me. The answer of the question is, you know, I don't I don't know if mellowed is the right word, but game I've gotten smarter, you know, I think all of us do if we don't, you know, we're going to end up on our ass somewhere. You know, I've been I've been humbled too many times and it's Chuck Taylor used to say you've made every mistake there just to make I'm going to make more and I'm always going to remind myself of that and look another thing that has a you know, a real profound change on you is is fatherhood. So I've got a daughter now who's 16, you know somehow or other she posted something on Instagram and gets 2500 likes. I mean, could you explain to me how how this is possible and it's not even basketball stuff or anything like that, but I've learned a lot from her about, you know, today's generation home and and you've got to be an observer and you've got to be a learn and you've got always work on being a better communicator. You playing by the way you playing the piano with her singing was awesome. Not good. You could just tell how how cool it was for you and she didn't seem embarrassed doing it with her dad. Like that was the best part. Yeah. I had to talk her into it. You know, she's she's as you could as you can tell she's got she's got a very good voice and she's getting more into music. She's doing some of her own writing a song. She's learning about quarts of stuff like that. So yeah. No, it's it's it's really cool. Your first NBA coach Casey passed away recently your Reflections on on Casey playing for him. Well, I defied I defy anyone in this world to go find somebody that's something bad to say about Casey Jones. I mean, this is one of the the most legendary basketball people basketball men. I mean you talk about the number of championships. I mean you look at his coaching credentials. I mean, he's he's a hall-of-fame caliber coach may may have not have made it as a coach because he did wasn't in it as long as some others maybe I I don't know but I'm you know, let's just put aside the fact that the the the basketball success is there at the most some of those amazing what glass Galactic Lee amazing levels. This is off the kindest warmest human beings that was you know, categorically across-the-board loved and respected by every single guy that was on the Celtics. The subject teams when I played and in in in today's world of of labeling and and a lot of you know, negative stuff that goes on, you know, the the worm authentic memories of Casey Jones are things, you know are things to make you smile. When you did you ever play the piano with with him singing and I did one time we played a rental luncheon and I had learned I you are so beautiful, which was a Joe Cocker song. Yeah, that was one of the ones that he's saying and there was a there was a link that that went viral, you know with him. I think singing at her house Bobby probably saw it, you know you was talking about yes. Yeah. They had the mic you saw it and it is so great. I mean, it's so great me this was you know music off and and singing was one of the things that really lived him up to a to a different different kind of personality. I'm very reserved guy, but when he gets that microphone in his hand his smile and he started saying his voice was understand tacular not not just good. But but you know, really tremendous guy urge people to go six She got you two, but it's really really remarkable really worth it. The game has changed we know dramatically the three-point shot is altered the whole concept of of offense and defense team and it's a different world. So put the three-point World aside the Warriors at their best and all that. They want do you ever have you ever seen a better team in the eighty-five eighty-six Celtics if we just acknowledge that the game has changed. Of course, I wouldn't come on. What's it going to say here know which is going to see I trust this man to be honest, but I mean something leading question cuz you know how I feel I've been I've expressed myself a thousand times. It's a greatest team of all time and and the trump card for me was no other team brought anything resembling a Bill Walton off the whole bunch and trump card to me. Yeah, and and let the team was was amazingly close knit group of guys. You know, when when Casey passed I dead I sent the link out of the the thing that YouTube thing that you and I are talking about Bob and you know, I sent it out to nine or ten of the guys including you know, Parish Max bout Saint Vincent Larry Kevin Danny pipes easting wedman and talked to probably six or seven of those gay Mikhail page. Everybody was commenting. Oh, wow, you know just all these all these great things about about Casey and so, you know, the camaraderie on that team was was very very unique. Do you remember the Christmas Day game? Oh, yeah, and and that was that was a you know, that was a seminal moment because when we blew the twenty five point lead at New York your team and it wasn't very good. You know, I Christmas Day on National T, you know, the the team that I should say the veteran guys got together and Ed. Decided that they were going to give up drinking until we won the championship and you know, it was one of those groups sacrifice is that was that was really pivotal that was you know, really told a story about about the importance the importance of winning in the eighties and the importance of your team being being that team, you know, the Lakers Celtics rivalry of the eighties. It really spurned took a great interest from the Pistons Isiah Thomas hooked into it. You know, Chuck Daly was the coach. I work for Chuck a couple of years later on in his career and got a lot of really an interesting, you know stuff about those Detroit teams and and how much they were, you know, really locked into what was going on with the Celtics and later and they they starved for dead. You know their insatiable appetite to be Champions. I mean to be in in that conversation as you know, having you know having that ring because back in those days it was you know, the thing that all the great players would say is you know, how many rings you got motherfuker. I mean that was that was the moniker back in those days. But I mean you and your phone number that cuz you know when you were riding on team buses and stuff like that because a lot of that stuff flying around, I'm sure no question. What was your what was your favorite story of covering Rick? I want to hear I want to hear something crazy the game that year. I remember, you know, they went 67 games and one I do remember specifically Sunday afternoon and February in Los Angeles and Rick Carlisle had not Corner jumper and it's typical player in that game that day. So the nobody can ever take that away from them. I can tell you that right now and beating the Lakers in La that day. I remember that very very well, but you know, you know in in those days off. Those teams were so close that you know, whoever could sweep. The series was probably going to have best record in the league. I mean it was it would always come down to that and that would determine who's going to have home court, you know in in the finals and you know, I mean that was my second year and I had gotten into the rotation and had some decent games but that was a real big moment for me because you know, when I had 10 points in that game and I hit that shot against the shot clock, I you know over worthy or whoever it was. I mean, that was the first time that that wage Dennis Johnson who I I just you know, I had such um regard for you know, as a player as a talent as a person mean the stuff off of seeing night tonight, babe. The first time you ever he ever acknowledged to me. Hey, Great game. Oh it was like a huge thing. Cuz he never he never said that wasn't him. You know just wasn't really his personality be kind of a gushy type guy like that and and but but that was you know, it was it was just a moment where there was there was there was a little respect the fact that common that that I had never heard from him and even a couple of the other guys and that and that's what that's what was such a big thing with with those teams during that era was you know, what can you do to help us win a big game, you know, maybe it's like I'm Bob you remember like great kite going into some of those games, you know, just just to be a physical presence. Oh, yeah to try to you know, make it difficult on Kareem or somebody like that and you know, we end up playing a game. I mean, you know, these guys would be Would be like, hey man, you know great, you know, great job, you know all that kind of stuff and and that's what it was and we were we were all starved to try to to try to do something, you know to help the team, you know, you was a small as possible thing to move toward the possibility of a championship. Yep. So what what is it like working for Mark Cuban? Like give me give me your greatest Mark cubin story and I don't mean one when you were like, I know if you were ever in a club with Mark Cuban, but I've seen plenty of pictures of Mark Cuban in the clubs, you know with Chandler Parsons back in the day or whoever I know they could get after it. I you know, I know Chandler I've known Chandler for a long time. I love them. There's a guy who can get after it. Once your favorite Mark human story. Wow. Well, you know dead. Tough question. There's a lot of them. I think there's a there's a there's a perception and I know there was a perception when I was talking to these guys are coming here that that he's super involved and he's a meddler that this and that and the other and you know, when I talked to him about coming here is interesting. Terry Stotts. Dwane Casey had sat out the same year. I did, you know 708 and I had talked to Dwayne about the possibility of working with me, you know, if I got a job coming out of this little Hiatus thing and I had actually traveled to Seattle a couple of times cuz that's where he was living to talk to him. And I had a lot of the same views of the game and then the two of the the two of us win. I did a thing for the NBA of guys that were former players of interesting. In the coaching is like a like a two-day clinic thing and Terry Stotts was involved cuz he was doing some stuff with the NBA having to do with you know, referee, you know oversight and stuff like that. I was always really interested in that side of it. So the three of us spent a couple of days together and then, you know, I ended up talking to Terry he came down to South Carolina and visit me at our place down there for a couple of days to talk about the possibility of you know, working together if you know things kind of fell in line and so the three of us on 1 day in the spring of 2008 rent Indianapolis those guys came in town, we had three interviews from Donnie Walsh Luanne. He was with the Knicks at the time he flew in, you know, very quietly and interviewed us at the airport in a private room internet and he's guys with me and and we were kind of interviewing as a birth. Get you know, and then at 5:35 to 5:30 p.m. Gar Forman and John Paxson came over to our house in Indiana and I came for dinner and that was the second time. I was sitting down with them. In about 9:30 at night Donnie Nelson knocks on the door, and I know he was going to be coming and we just I'll never get we had just put mulch down and Landscaping so it's kind of smelled like a cow barn yard. And you know. He's from he's from the Midwest so dead. He's at the door. He's got Cowboy. He's got cowboy boots on and a in a in a John Deere hat and you know, Yeah, my wife Donna answers the door and she and he goes smells like, Iowa here. So he came in we would down the basement office me me Casey starts and Donnie and talked talked basketball for a couple of hours turned out that I was the only guy that they were really interested in talking to and so, you know, I'm kind of got moving and then the next day Mark who was Mark cubin who was had been in Chicago the previous day cuz he was talking about trying to buy the Cubs at the time he flies. In fact, we meet a small hotel out near the airport in a in a little meeting room and Mark walks in and he just starts talking, you know, you just starts talking about the teams for talking about we start talking about Dallas and it was like, you know Can I have one point as in marvelous? I just got one question for you. What if you were to find out that the team actually perform better? If you weren't in the bench area because this was one of the things you know, people were were seeing him down there, you know, someone involved and and stuff like this and and he goes, oh, no, no, no, it's great. It's great because you know, we're on the road people. Just how can we didn't bother the players find you that this that this was like never going to be a nice conversation. And so at that point in time, you know, I end up getting the job and you know, it really just ended up saying to Mark right off the bat. Look. I know you're closer to the players. I know you, you know used to be go out and and and party of these guys some I know you're going to be talking to them texting him. I said, however much you're involved. I want you to be involved even more. I want you to be around the team even more. I want to be as many practices and games as you can I want you to be in the locker room before the game at Halftime. I want you to see what's going on all the time I said, I asked you in this I had never been like this but this it was clear to me that this situation was different. Yeah, and he was that he was a very very important part of it. I said look you're living Ash is that if there's something that I need to know I say you gotta you gotta tell me and And so he said hey that's you got a deal. And and look as time has gone on it's gotten harder to keep him around the team cuz he's got yeah, he's turned into an international TV star, you know with Shark Tank and and a lot of other things and but this is still his this is still his Bay. This is still his greatest love and life, you know as as we've rebuilt the team and and all that kind of stuff. You know, he he lets us do our jobs. He's not he's not nearly as long as involved and a quote unquote Mendler as as people, you know, may may these Tanqueray want to think from the outside is he? He's not mature thing with like Personnel decision. Like he's is he giving you his thoughts sometimes on on guys who should be playing more guys should be playing less and in those things or dead. his conversations Rick Yeah, I mean, you know and and I I consider this to be one of the great things about working here for assistant coaches because well Mark will do, you know a lot of times he'll he'll go to the assistant coaches. Yeah, you don't like coming directly with me to me was stuff A lot of times although I encourage him to but but my assistance, you know Iraq had coordinators. I have a defensive and offensive coordinator and and Mark will go to these guys and talked to them directly asked questions and stuff like that. And and as you know guys like Stephen song Jamal mostly, you know have interviews Fred coaching jobs, you know, one of the things that I tell decision-makers is looked at these guys have a have a much different level of exposure to you know, working with owners dealing with ownership stuff like that. And and it's a it's a Next Level type thing and you gotta But but look it was it was the greatest decision I ever made here which was to try to involve him even more cuz it built immediate trust and you know, he has he has such a he has such presence look he's involved in all the decisions, but it doesn't mean that he's meddling Jeff if you were to Google Hopkins Berg New York under the college notable people the first name that pops up ahead of Jimmy Howard the goalie for the Red Wings and U Olympic team and 14 noted artist. Frederic Remington many people will be aware of this is Rick Carlisle. The number one notable person an atlas in Ogdensburg New York this year. I did not know that that bother well, I'm still it's quite honored to have the most notable person from Ogdensburg with us today before we let you go wreck before we let you go. You have to guess wage. At whose jersey, this is behind me Ragin Cajuns 1424. It's it's now louisiana-lafayette. It was Southwestern Louisiana at that Rodman. Nope, Southwestern. Is it pimping? No, this is your time. This is like this is your time you played against this dude, Southwestern, Louisiana. He was really he was healthier before right about when you got the boss Charles Barkley says, she's the most talented player he ever played with Wow, give me a hint number 22 for your arch-nemesis team for the team you hated. 2222 I don't know which seems that the is it the Sixers? Oh Sixers. Gosh enter Tony. There you go. There you go. Boston Strangler. Yes, for sure. I think I grew up in Boston Rick Ross as a huge. I just want against my dad. My dad loved the Sixers. I picked the guy that was like the anti Celtic guys. So that was it. I loved Andrew Toney. I mean he was just gotten great player in NBA history. Yeah, you know what his his health problems at the end of his career, we're tragic because you know, a lot of a lot of people he he needed another three years of that level to really, you know to be a historically great player and it was it was sad, you know, and like I wish that players in the eighties, you know guys like Tony guys like Larry Bird McHale, you know had the benefits of today's medical, you know, and and performance people, you know, they just it's such a dick. World the things that that that they can do to help athletes and NBA players stay on the floor for and have longer careers. So we'll listen. We we appreciate it. We've kept you long enough. This is fun. This is fun. I hope you enjoyed it. And can you can you hold up the the the the story that Bob Ryan dead? Yeah. This is a new Bob wasn't here when I saw this. It's it's showing up backwards on my zoom screen for us expecting it off with hair was dark colored hair - good stuff. Well appreciate you guys asking me on and off all the best and hopefully we'll see you in person at some point soon all the best and be safe be healthy and enjoy enjoy everything. Okay. Thanks Rick. Appreciate that. Thank you so much. Yep. Take care.

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Jalen and Jacoby

37:41 min | 4 months ago

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"Judge kobe's brought to you by goodyear helping you discover the road ahead. Goodyear more driven jalen and jacoby. He is jalen. Anthony rose jacoby on the a cool kid together. We're they this is your weekend exclusive. Podcast wanted podcast every single weekend. So you can enjoy it while you're mowing the lawn driving around along the beach or whatever you are doing this weekend. We're going to give you one every friday. John anthony rose. What up doe. I want to discuss with you number one. We talked to a little bit during the television show but not that much. What's going on in dallas. We have rally. Bob athletic article. Then don nelson's gone then one of those at a time. No okay britt. Carla had two more years on his deal for thirteen years one championship there. Why did he wake up in the morning decidedly. Here's what i believe happened. In carlisle scenario. He got options now. see indiana. see. Boston don't be surprised if the latter team hire some asap. What did you say about the boston job. We were talking about these jobs. I said that. Boston is intriguing to me. Because of their history they have a championship or bust infrastructure. They won you know seventeen chips. That's tied for the lakers. Most all time. But since larry bird plan they've won one so they're able to draw history and have that expectation. When you look up it's still see those banners and you see all of those amazing retire players. You get the plan to the banner bill. Russell are like story legends in the history of basketball. Now jason tatum all nba so is jalen brown. But you missed in the draft any age since two thousand and five have more picton. Anybody wasn't able to really secure it and take it to the next level. Took a chance on kyrie irving that did not work so now instead of boston having a big three the knicks have a big three. I would not be surprised if the team that you grew up. Praying to a larry bird. Poster doesn't mean reach out to rick. Carlisle m my indiana pacers. I believe those to be to legitimate destination. So now if you re carlisle you go into the office. where mark. Cuban the sky's the limit and the compensation first and foremost. I'm pretty sure addressed in porzingis because cuba's probably going to tell you might get pennies on the dollar. Not should pennies on the dollar not show. I'm gonna move on. But i'll try or is probably saying. Hey don't you use them. A little more impulsive. You try to like meet him halfway with this game. Type of thing imbalanced. Luca kind of playing like james harden in houston. That's really high. Plan james harden. He's when you leave out of office. And you realize that. Donnie nelson gone the been there twenty four years. I believe he hires you other. Gentlemen that you mentioned is gone when carlisle. This used to be your team. Actually he and dirt would faces at a french out. And we're left. He was the face of the franchise. Now luca is face it a franchise. Our cuba got how many years to okay. So recall talking in one or two the last almost fifteen years now. Some static interrupted net compensation. Luca because you got to take care of whatever he wants you to whatever looking to leverage. He signed sixth edging it. No he hasn't. And so. When i look at all of these moves. W w l d. What would larry do for it. Yeah what luca startling larry right. What lukudu and so. If you're mark cuban that's the domino of these moves. You hope that are going to keep him. Happy not necessarily carlisle happy. How many championships carlisle one. He hoped win luca three. How many points do carl average last year. Which doubles in. China having kind of what is because luca is getting on n. We always highly those that on because this segment is brought to you by grainger for those who get it done. Grainger offer supplies solutions for every industry backed by twenty four seven support and access to product. Experts call them or click grainger dot com slash jacoby or stop by one of the many grainger location. Jalen before we move onto things and to mention number one the ultimate fighter the reality show that brings top. mma prospects together under one roof to compete for ufc. Contract is back watch. The season premiere on tuesday. June i only on espn plus sign up now at espn plus dot com. Second thing i wanna talked about jalen if you finish listening to jalen jacoby and you want more. Nba playoff talk injected straight into your ears. We have you covered. Followed the hoop collective the woes pod. The low post all throughout the postseason. Wherever you listen to podcasts. Blue moon is on a mission to bring some brightness to your life and break up your routine. I love blue moon beer so much when they pour it a draft blue moon. You can see that color that amber color. That beautiful phone in that pint glass and then they top it off with the orange slice in that beard has that refreshing valencia orange peel for subtle sweetness with hints of coriander. Blue moon is ready for better days ahead including a return to connect him with loved ones of beer at your favorite bar or restaurant. I love blue moon so much because once in a blue moon should happen more than once in a blue moon in. I've decided that with my friends when we golf when we call get some blue moon put it in a cooler have a couple over the course of eighteen holes yourself a nice crack open a blue moon. That is where i love to have my blue moon that creates great memories. Those type of memory should happen more than once in a blue moon. Blue moon is carefully crafted for one and a kind appearance and flavor. Here's the best thing about blue moon. You can have blue moon or light sky. The lighter blue moon delivered right to your doorstep you have to do is go to get dot bloomberg beer dot com slash jacoby to see your delivery options again that is g t dot blue moon. Beer dot com slash jacoby. Blue moon made brighter celebrate responsibly. Blue moon brewing company golden colorado. Do you own or rent your home. Share you and i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowners or renters insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com. Jonathan heroes. Mavs blazer celtics pacers with pelicans magic all looking for head coach k. You've given a list of like seven people that deserve head coaching jobs. They're seven head coaching jobs. Open to place what i know i do. How about this. How i go job by job. Give them a head coach java. Sure all right let's do as i'm make acquit maths. Jamal moseley he sitting right. There was on rick. Carlisle staff got a great relationship with their nurturer right. There bone knows mark. Cuban shot to my god. Michael finley done a terrific job for a long time in the front office. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a look for. Gm stay tuned. Ooh what i do next job. Celtics re carlisle. Just take you gotta give riccar allowed. Jeff uniform you larry bird. He's the championship blah player with the team and a coach and the celtics are like the heat in a different way. Their secret society you and novel and toggles to the runner and he's a former celtic. He's going to get any deserves to give now the person that's going to hire him brad. Stevens didn't deserve that gig. But they're going to get it right if they give it to. Rick i honestly think braxton's just has that job because he signed the extension. They don't want that money sitting there. That's really what it is. They're just like oh. We owe him twenty million dollars. So we're just gonna have we'll get some four thousand we're not going to minimize it. Not man enough gray. He got fired filled up. They got enough money. They can pay them all. Blazers blazers chauncey billips. See so there The neil o'shea der resident or general manager I believe in josse. Were with the clippers at the same time. And on the floor. Garnett a respect and trust the dame lillard. A decision notice when i said dallas. I mentioned luca mentioned in dame right now. i've i've they'll have a solid relationship and i think he'll do a really good job. He's been knocking on the door for a long time. Chauncey be interviewing for jobs for a while. And he's in the current assistant with the clippers portland trail blazers. If i was choosing all of these are just if i was choosing i would take chauncey billups for the job you trade. Cj mccollum yes and. That's no shots. each now. We love he would arrive somewhere. We love. cj. I feel like both damon would benefit from ac jj. I'm pretty sure if somebody comes to. Cj and asked him about media believing in him. if be like grandma. I remember i. Was there pacers. Your pacers my pacers. Mark jackson mark jackson. He's right there for you. Got malcolm brogdon. He has a bonus got cares. The vert you're gonna get miles. Turner bet going to garner respect to the locker room because you know why because they seen them what he did in state see what the people that hire and fire. Power don't understand. His players speak a different voice in though they really do it. I'm pretty sure that if they hired mark jackson here's a love it because they saw him talking about the splash. Brothers being the greatest shooting back court. It seemed like twenty years ago now. He deserves another opportunity. I've seen tears get another opportunity. Will with a c. Stan van gundy get multiple opportunities at both tips. Damning got multi one another opportunity then another opportunity than another opportunity. Correct like he deserved another opportunity. So i'll say i'll say mark jackson indian wiz and then i'm gonna give you a wild card to make sure we get to a wild card while carton. Washington wizards bills still under contract russ was terrific when he returned about a a more attractive job than people realize to because what expectations next year waiting game. How many times a wizards been in the final zero does like back in the day west unsealed days. You know what i'm saying. And near the nation's capital major market still thinking of would get to all darby. I got you got you. I know who. I wanna give that gig to somebody. That russ is going to be able to argue with drinks with sam ka sale. Sam cassell new orleans. Pelicans new orleans. Pelicans that's where i go So they have zion. They have brandon ingram. They're in a western conference. The rosters their roster knees reconstruction. It really does. And when you have a guy. Like don't estimate is averaged over twenty five this year. Unstoppable doesn't is restricted area. Numbers are wild. He's like eighty percent in the restricted area. And stamina going did the every light is he was like we're going to keep signed the ball every possession he. We're not going to have someone else. Dribbled up and running shoes worn boston me in his hands. And you know. I've said this you've heard me say this. Many times at do he was a playmaker. He had assist office through him and he provided for others and i think that he can do that for them however defensively they were towed rash correct so it ordered to just wanted to help them improve their defense and work with their bigs leg. Zion about this darvin ham. Because here's what. I want people to always pay attention to it's more than just wins and losses that make certain players stay with certain teams in so i can speak to this. Microphone all right now. It feel like if they don't advance coach bud may or may not lose his job right. If janas didn't like code. But he wouldn't theresa you wanna reza. He would've did deluca last year. Just like luca if coach bud isn't the coach or desiigner asked leon who he wants where you want your brothers to rush on so i bring that up because if for some reason they decided to move on from coach but i'm putting darvin ham in that conversation to that was the wild card because he gonna work big make sure they played the. You'll make sure that happened. Like the books are a bit terrific defensively. That's that's what he brings to the team so There's another gig magic. Oh penny hardaway. Easy i love the magic because the magic roster is like coal anthony. Jonathan isaac marquel bolts. Mo- bomba the expectations are so low for that job. Jacoby you wanna just bought the orlando magic. We're we're a phone. Call a rod in his in his inverse phone. Call whatever you need so many pens you need i. I love co anthony. Shout nephew he got. He got snubbed. From the all rookie team. I voted for him. He deserved that The reason why. I got my hands on my chin and discussed literally is like rj hampton. I think he's gonna become a player. He got draft about denver didn't fit their he's in orlando not being. He's going to be a player marquel to show me that he's going to have a long career. I like marquel fulton. Awhile markelle fultz. Because they signed into an extension correct. They were like they saw something in the off season. I'm not there. I see the games on lee pass but they saw something in him. They said you know what we're gonna give you three or four years what position those guys. Play guard backward was penny plan. Gar was pretty good in the pinstripes for the orlando magic. If i'm literally no magic season ticket holder in the press release comes out that they hired anthony hardaway. I'm correct. i'm like how many years have these tickets five more years. I like this is what i don't understand jacoby about somebody else running the show versus if you are running the show because how many i'll say this right now i must say this no yes. Many times next season are we going to have an orlando magic topic on our in a block. Zero zero zero. How many times what. We do it if they had penny hardaway standing on asylum. So like i. I and i know and by the way i noted. He's happy at memphis. I know he's ten toes down that you know. He left coaching in college. That he would love to costa grizzlies. That's like me and destroy a detroit. Here went to michigan. I wanna be a part owner of the pistons. But if orlando let me be part honored and i'll do that to you. See what i'm saying. Also if you're if you're hardaway remember the james wiseman thing. Last year i do played a couple of games as she gets involved. He can't play anymore. They don't have those problems when you're in the league point you don't have those problems in your league you know. What else wrote the best player in college basketball. And he didn't even get to coach. You know what other problems to worry about. The gallon is tea with the small shorts. he can. I forgot about him but all honesty the orlando magic should get their brass on a plane. A lot of myths in court penny hardaway if find a way to not leave unless he's on the plane with you. How about this. There was once upon a time that the carolina panthers wooed matt rule from baylor wasn't exactly was exactly a great spot programme loma. How much money mavericks get million. Okay seventy i wouldn't even know how to spend seventy million house by well really any seventy but i know what you but that if i had to do to musical chairs for the jobs. That's pretty much where i would go about your green. You didn't play anywhere. Split the baby with darva ham. The pelicans and the books so he could be in the mix for the other game. Because i'm telling you i'm jalen rose is telling you me you had this talk about money. Williams he's doing a great job. Only get this on the podcast. I got another one for you under the radar. And i'll be looking for my okay. I might get a gig osama ma doco been talking about him for a couple of years. I i'm watching him to and so there are a couple of guys willy. Ma i got my eyes on that jurong. Alain paul allen is going to be a good one to play the pin a play with him. Actually indiana sure did a so. Those are like young upstart candidates that you're going to start seeing over the knicks. Everybody that i mentioned. Today i probably mentioned tint ten people over the next three to five years. All of them have jobs here. I on the podcast exclusive it jalen and jacoby and one of the things we love about. The podcast exclusive weekend editions. We have to hear from you more choice males call nine eight five eight zero jalen leave us voicemails and we will play them on the show just like this jalen local jacoby in a call with a follow up about the video So i just wanted to give you guys some context so since this is happening it's twenty twenty. We decided we're gonna wipe the slate clean and we've ever been this happy in our relationship currently are even dating back to them before the a tangle me Cheated on me with an x. So it wasn't somebody new muzzles somebody familiar and we just moved across the country after planning to do this for months. Now if i'm supposed to end the relationship. I'm not sure how to navigate with all of those things also being truth any advice you can give help. Thank you for taking my call. Keeps getting him. Checks shout out rage out to the whole team by kenny. I love you my brother. Piece eight town down here for you candy and you know when we speak we speak from the heart and i appreciate we appreciate you bringing into your quandary about your entanglement and how you should handle. You didn't have to call one of the most popular podcast and express himself in this way and say things that he's not proud of into the phone for us to play. And that's why i appreciate you kenny. That's over we're here. I want make sure. I say this loud and clear. This is like one of my recipes for success. I give away the secret sauce. Very oft this is like a dj trying to into the crazed angle gonna tell you what songs or chef like. What's in that sauce. Like get outta here to respite. I'm about to give you a secret recipe. Kenny pride goes before the fall. Got a humble yourself. And just because she or he got caught. That don't mean that it wasn't happening and they didn't get caught so in theory could have been happening and you didn't even know jalen. Let's say something. Say something that. I would never say if my wife listen to the podcast blessing in disguise. Kenny o. your significant other had an entanglement. You don't break up you use that that's currency you basically have a free pass. Kenneth what is the frequency. Kenneth you have a free pass right now. You can do whatever you want to call. It breaks rich. It's breaks rare. There's a utah jazz player. Whose wife in. He came out and talked about him. Getting past. i forget who that was. He was a player from overseas All care linko. Ak47 thank you davidson. I don't know if you remember that. Jacoby not john stockton donny. J. jalen rose is not one and ought tom graham via players on great. Nba put you know we doing it. Our leadership academy getting people vaccinated vaccinated. That's your choice but don't be anti that's different that's vastly different. And so i had to make sure. I acknowledged that jacoby what you're saying about kennedy situation in your outlook on it. And would he sing is vastly different. That's why i was going to put him on. The couch passed off. He does no. He doesn't when she says when they say. Wipe the slate clean and twenty twenty passes over. That was the chance to do that. Here's what i'll tell you kinney live happily ever after if she makes you happy and you guys are living your best life. Let me repeat she probably cheated on you before and you just didn't know it got a video this one so i if you feel like you want to be with her anyway as she wants to be with you anyway. Don't care about what your friends say. Don't care about what your family say because guess is going to happen at your wedding. I don't care who it is. It's going gonna be some people sitting there. Watch are going down. How trying to figure how long gonna be together. have every wedding right and no time is long enough. I saw mellow. I saw la after eleven years. Answer me a hundred eleven years. Twenty one years. They had sixteen great years together. Relationships expire not mine. Well that's because joey run. You does exactly happy with it. Right be happier. Kenny jacoby can relate. Because and i'll say this respect your lady runs you to f. I heard the tire right. Happy wife happy life. My kids know who's the bus. They're like mommy's boss rested. Ps jeanie cassandra rose a lost february. Second i walked to her house. Now jacoby and i go open up the refrigerator. I can't lie like the other day. Could've swore that she was getting no me about doing some stuff away in the refrigerator by i was bugging by. I had to go like for real doll. I had to go sit down for like our dad. Got in the pool. It was cold it was the water was cold and everything i just needed it like a like a cold like i literally was like cleanest stuff bottom refrigerator. And i'm wondering why. I'm like you like like leftovers so i'll like stuff old stuff american us again. All mom is the opposite. Mom go to a restaurant. espn or something to go. I've seen you got it from right. It's really weird when a and you're like i'll take a stake with saito salad. He was correct. And so i understand how the strength strengthen. The power of a woman shouldn't is consuming. They deserve it. They run the earth. What ajay's brown say. This is the man nothing. Nothing no well walmart. Best light kenny. But unlike jacoby you don't get a pass a pass candy. Don't worry don't get a pass but yes well. Here's what you get you the past. I'll tell you what you get. I'm gonna tell you what you get you to pass. no pass. I'm gonna tell you what you free you don't get jail for you know you got dacoven. I'm gonna tell you what you get. You get physical rise to everything you see her doing the video. You know what that means. I don't wanna know what that means. I don't wanna know that means next more about the next morning smell. Everything so hard. Do next boise. Will max boyce mail. Quick jalen and jacoby. This is mike from california. Shout al rich shadow. Mumma rose greatest name ever shout out to the jr academy because we are attributed. My son named jalen as will five. I have a question cultural regional taking your shoes off to wear lives in the car before you get into the spot like. I don't drive on my shoes on so any jordan any step. Is tom ford or anything like that. I don't want him in the car. I problem out. Only when i get out somebody location one to about the nba playoffs. Please take us behind the curtain with this older guard. Younger guard playing. Then they have right now. The tandem chris. Paul devon booker and The guards donovan mitchell. Mike conley the influence of the odor guards over the younger ours. Which is helping these guys play. Phenomenally love the pie to kobe right now. My son jalen is currently living in kras. One eddie loves loves loves day. Lasso what are you. Currently living into love defined. Y'all giving the people what they want you getting jake out to the jalen rose leadership academy because we arkan tribute or it's easy to. I'm graduate in doing that. what you do. They caller of all causes. Had much out me play. When you're in the league you're playing phoenix. You're like earth thirty minutes a game. That's how i feel right now. Mike mike you probably have my job my job go ahead. I finally south to my from kelley. We love you to jalen his son and to the teacher care rest one week in this show paying homage to care us one every hour. Show yet. we're not done. we're not done. We are not done any to say to mike. Black people don't know this. I create a show about sneakers. Hosted by bobby garcia. It's the shoes legend premiere. Kim wilde's produce that john hawke was also involved. a sneaker. Headed love sneak. I only wear kind of chuck's you know. I don't like got plenty of boxes. And i wanna say this mike. My guy you've taken it to another level it is definitely cultural. The idea that putting your foot on the gas pedal might put in your jays. Has you switching shoes before you get in the car. That is another level. That's cultural people. Don't care that much better. Cultural david jacoby on. I've been really fortunate and again mike. I appreciate the support of allay. Thank you for the grass. Shy our la detroit dot com. You can help out to appreciate you being a contributor. Thank you for the condolences for my mom. Thank you for naming your son jalen. I was just talking to jacoby about this recently. In in like the last maybe twelve to eighteen months of my life have forced me to do a lot more critical thinking. Like i'm getting closer to fifty you know were you have a will and i four people in your will aren't here anymore and like a blink of an eye lifeblood life comes as fast. How about this. You got fifteen years. Jakob the process of coming up with the babies. Nee is a community thing is this. it's not it's not. It's not a shotgun decision. No this was somebody as their kid. Jalen that's not taking a shot at the bar like that's been thought about for months on months on months everybody needs to. This has a name but they were very close to being named something else. All right everybody lists correct correct. Then you gotta talk about it with her talk about him talking about what the siblings talk about what the family talk about. What the phrase talking about. The co work like everybody chimes in as a village to decide what are prizes going to be named. And we're human beings name that child jalen. That's more rings than bill russell in my life that that that's more championship raise more diamonds than in. That's infinite you know what. I'm saying like i could go by championship ray right now ebay if i really want you see what i'm saying and i'll let me get to the old new gar commonly hasn't really been able to play but he will take pressure off of donovan mitchell but between the ears having chris. Paul have a mike. Conley is a calming influence. Especially chris paul and that's why appreciate the first thing he did was. He set the expectation. You just trying to make the playoffs. We're trying to win a championship number. One number two. I got somebody on a phone. Wanna talk to you who is it is jay z. Okay boom you know what i'm saying like i'm gonna put you contact with great and that's what we're striving for so definitely haven't chris. Paul around has truly elevated tucson's truly elevated devon booker and lastly de la soul potholes in my lawn as they some controversial. You're not gonna be happy with. I already know what you're gonna was. Never a big deal. Guy was never big trump called really. What about native tongues. No john provice. Oh tell the truth man. People don't like to hear some truth. Is my opinion like tomatoes. Either you'd like to share. I just don't just never been a big tribe guy. it's okay what do you want me to say. it's okay. we hold on dallas tom. That was a different group. You i started with you end. It would try an unpopular opinion. Okay got it. You might as well go ahead to pocket taking their to know. We'll leave that one actually next week. We will not be on monday. Tuesday or wednesday. We are preempted but we will be back thursday next wise. That jalen rose chaos done. We ought not adrian warzinski hausky. Check out my podcast with insight and analysis on the up stores in the nba. Adrian origin ascii are insider extraordinary reaction breaking news. This is the latest world it depth conversations with some of the biggest names in the league. Thanks again i'm good. Thanks for having me off our guest. 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06/18/2021 - HOUR 3 - Tomorrow's Headlines Today

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

32:22 min | 4 months ago

06/18/2021 - HOUR 3 - Tomorrow's Headlines Today

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When when i saw donnie nelson leaving the organization was mark confronted him and probably said you may have been some of these leaks i mean. Why did donnie nelson was at dennis draft. Pick the porzingas contract. The story in the athletic wise. Donnie nelson in your opinion gone today. I think colin is you know because you know our industry really well. Obviously we're never going to get into sourcing. But i will say and i haven't really said this on on a platform like yours. The suspicions that have been widespread about ninety being the root of it are completely off base and really honestly kinda naive in regards to how widespread some of this information and these insights and these opinions were internally within the mavs and then around the nba. The general idea that market empowered bob bulgaria's to the degree that he had and that from on down within their front office power structure. There was this what you know again. Widespread frustration in question of. Who's running the team. And we've now seen more and more come out Just yesterday espn's. Tim macmahon had shared an anecdote about luca looking at the bench. And yell at carlyle and saying you know. Who's running the team. You bob and this was the idea that that ultimately put these wheels in motion to your question about donnie. Listen he made it clear to mark that he had great concerns about bob's role. He was hoping that mark would essentially talk to bob and he put him in that lane that he was designed to be an initially as an adviser as opposed to taking some liberties he had taken and mark. our information is that he defended. Bob's positioning and donny was was obviously disappointed by that and then mark made the call he made. I can't speak to if you know he thinks. Donnie was a leaker. If that plan apart but again that would be off base all right how. 'bout the relationship with rick carlisle. I was told mark and rick had a very emotional meeting. Do you think that meeting in fire. Do you think the lucas situation. Your guests on wood was this in the making the last three or four weeks at ramped up. I mean relationships and a lot of different way. Sam amick at the athletic. What what is your gut feeling on why this was so abrupt and ended the way it did. I mean that's good information on yukon. You know putting the reporter hat on to know about those meetings. The thing is i was real surprised before all this drama that mark came out as quickly as he did and publicly endorsed rick and said that he will be back in. Had that quote about how you simply. Don't get rid of a coach unless you know you have somebody better and there just aren't many better than rick carlisle at that time. A lotta people around the league and certainly people with the mavs. Were not sure whether or not they believed because of the luca dynamic. You know you have from a couple different angles here. You have these elephants in the room. Where if luca has tension with rick that's not ideal if has tension with bob vulgarities and by proxy mark. Cuban questioning the way the decisions are getting made. That's not ideal. So are you just gonna keep status quo and essentially send a message to that. We're not really all that receptive to the way you see the way things run so i think it was uncomfortable to begin with. And then listen. If you're sick who. I have not talked to then on the back end. Don nelson's out that's one of your biggest supporters and now you're questioning. How things are going wrong going forward. You already felt somewhat undercut. I think by vulgarities role. I was not surprised to see him. head for. The exits is luca difficult. He's emotional as he difficult i think he's he's bordering. I mean difficult he. I don't have any reason to believe that you know he's not going to mark and say get back out. He's not but he is passionate fiery and and we see this stuff the fans and the media see in public every time he's on the floor so just go ahead and watch how he functions when he gets upset with the raff would he gets upset with carlisle and is demonstrative and has a lot to say and assume that behind the scenes he shares those frustrations to the guy has the kind of confidence that ultimately is probably going to propel him to this holiday career. And you know what's ahead but with that comes these complications the fact that he knows how good he is. He knows what he wants around him. He knows that he's a championship level player. And you're right now. Obviously there's questions about whether or not they can put that around him. Let's segue zay on you. Don't cover that story. Because i know to break a story like you did on dallas. It is all consuming. It's very i get that. The zion dynamic though feels different in that the organization is not as sturdy is the mavericks that medallions mavericks aren't going anywhere big city lot of money. Great organization won a title been in the playoffs. The zion stuff reeks of. Get me outta here before the team may not be here. You hear anything on that. There's a lot there. I every time. We talk about possible relocation guilt. Wash over me in regards to the folks in new orleans closer so tired of hearing it but it is what it is that you know that market you. You've got a knock every move out of the park. If you need playoff money you need to find a way to survive that. Uphill challenge of playing in new orleans and zay was such a breath of fresh air when they got him they make the anthony davis traded they get some great assets in return dave griffin is often running and really really strong fashion and then obviously has just swung the other way ever since gale benson by all accounts continues to be the type of owner who is supportive who is invested. But you know these numbers on the business side. They need to start matching up and that means that they need to win games. Was i on and the stuff that got out this week With some of my colleagues at the athletic reporting about his family and narrative that has been around all season long that they were not necessarily feel in new orleans is real and so now i mean they have control his contract for a very long time. So it's not a case of them being at risk of losing him in that way anytime soon but it has elements that are somewhat similar to luke. It's the price you pay when a guy has these kinds of talents. There's going to be pressure immediately to put the right pieces around him. By the way i i don't expect you to break stories but are you optimistic or a little concerned about chris paul. He has been vaccinated so if he did get it. And there's reports out there that he would probably be more possible to be a symptomatic now that he's vaccinated is do you know. Is there an and phoenix. Because boy they're rolling. I mean sam. Seven out of seven. They're shooting well. They're totally healthy. Everybody else's crossing their fingers on health. Sons arrested healthy rolling young players. Do you send some anxiety around this organization with the chris paul situation do just the other day money. Williams was asked about the prospect of them. Not having chris in game one. And you could sense that feeling. You're talking about where he said. I don't even want to think about that until it's real I don't have total clarity. On the impact of the protocol as it relates to somebody who's been vaccinated and that idea that you know if he turns into negative tests within essentially as of today. I believe that would have been possible. I don't know what the testing has revealed. and then there's hard testing that is part of it The league all season long has not messed around when it comes to their protocol and you talk about a fascinating case study now. You have a guy in chris paul. Who's the president of the players union. Yeah and who in terms of his own career as you alluded to you know. This is a long time coming this of opportunity for him. He survived that shoulder. Injury got healthy again was planned out of his mind. It's incredibly unfortunate. I mean thankfully. It doesn't seem to be. It's not necessarily a a health situation in terms of him being in any trouble because of the vaccination but basketball wise. It's a big big deal. And i hope we see him out there in game one but that doesn't seem clear yet all right good stuff sam amick rita stuff the athletic the mavs and we love your stuff. Sam thank you thank you call it. Be good you bet. Hot water never runs out. Tankless made simple dot com navien. Tankless water heaters fifteen year limited warranty. So like you said the ion stuff the family stuff. I didn't grow up in that. So i didn't. I didn't have a chirpy family. You said joy you had There was noise you had to there. Were just sheriff with each other and chirped. Yeah but at the end of the day we're going to let each other. Do we want to do well. But you know zion's a big deal a lot of money at stake is a lotta money at stake. But it's also it's standards like he's everyone's talking about girls ionised develop and he's not a certified star yet and he has long way to go like. Yeah he does. You're gonna replace zion. And they've already had two coaches there. It's a little fair to be there. Be a little anxiety about direction of the organization. Everyone needs to be on the same level like we hold. These players are very high standards as media and fans for what they're supposed to do and now they're supposed to perform organizations need to be held to the same standard. Not especially if you don't want the players going in there telling them who to hire and who to sign and you went players to do what they do. Okay do what you do. Think about this dallas mavericks could had donovan mitchell great player. They drafted dennis smith bust. You'd have luca and donovan mitchell. You'd be done and luca can make those decisions. And i don't think that like i said yesterday i don't think even though these are separate situations they have you know similarities to them. I don't think luka saying we want control the organization just get your stuff right. Just get your stuff together. we have to. We have to have ourselves together. We used to be healthy to get into the playoffs. 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So and the rams were a big topic and he said listen. They are top heavy if they stay healthy. That team could end in the super bowl. But they got like andrew whitworth. You've got a year left like the rams next year have gotten to the what the dallas cowboys have to do next year. Just draft a line. Because the defense is good the quarterbacks right cam akers star this team is stacked and then offensive. Line is good good but man it is. It is perilously thin on that offensive front. Well they have robert woods cooper kupp to sean jackson. Van jefferson well. They drafted in the second round cam. Akers one hundred junior and tyler higby tight end. They have the weapons. I can't wait to watch matthew stafford with the rams and similarly. I know all destroy things. I hate them but i don't i. I wanna see what jared goff does like. This is an incredible experiments. Because we thought jerry gaza bus. Yeah got with mcveigh not a bust. Now he's with an organization that has traditionally strong people love matthew stafford he ha- he is in their perfect situation right now. Yeah matt needs to come out and win games. We've been hearing about how great he is and he is. You got win. Twelve golf's getting you to ten. Have the super bowl. Yeah goth gone on a lot of games here. We didn't move all these number one. Pick for you in ten. I got twelve. I can't wait to watch. So dwayne haskins is getting a second chance in the nfl with the steelers. You won't be the starter ben. We'll be obviously but he hopes to show that he is the right guy. Take over for ben. One day comment here to pittsburgh is wanted to prove to coaching. Staff mature mates. I must have well football at scrape flopportunity here showing aligns Make everyone decided to take a chance and look good in this pasta cannon. Let our for itself Futa to have take on after out there big data at that time. He obviously struggled in washington. Big kid accurate aiming their stuff. There's something there he. I think he landed in a great place so do i don't know if he's the to big ben but he's very young guy. Obviously there are some decision making issues in washington throws a when he has time and sat he throws a nice ball. You find it. Looks like being ben as he similiarities is style. No listen. I thought when he came out. I'm like yeah. I get the number one pick. We asked her tomorrow on. This show is ready to play an urban said. No he's not ready to play but there's a lot of when you look at his body. That's an nfl body. He's got an nfl arm. He throws an accurate football. The my when my one knock out of college was. He's one of those guys when he moves his accuracy. Depths like some guys can throw on like justin. Herbert can throw on the run home. He can't like do. I need to good line. Which worries me. Because they lost. Trent williams left tackle. Now they're losing their right. Tackle the jets. That worries well. He's in pittsburgh. Now and pittsburgh i mean he's not he's not going to be the starter but pittsburgh's align was very lowly graded last year and they have they went and got a running back but the online for pittsburgh though is a question right now which is great because big ben is getting older obviously and did not look at the end of the season but they do have offensive weapons. Dealers is going to be consistent no matter where because it was the pittsburgh steelers but i do think that figuring out what the next step is after ben is important. You don't want to be in that limbo space with no quarterback doing a really young guy situation for him so the suns knocked the not get out of the playoffs in the second round with a four-game sweep the andrea eight and had a good series fourteen point three points and ten point five rebounds plus he was matched up with the mvp and nickel yokich and yokich sent aidan autographed jersey long to note to my brother. Da you are a beast. Keep up the good work and signed it and sent it to him. The andre posted a. I really love this. I find yoga. Should be so likable. he's just. He's such a hooper. I know the series did not end ideal right right. But he's just like he just the basketball guy. And i love it and i know that like a lot of the old school guys. They don't like everybody's like friends even though they're all friends they just talk trash each other a little more publicly but there they all like each other. I think it's time to just upgrade the of how we look at all this these guys all our friends not everyone's friends but like it's okay to like each other you can go and compete and then be cool off the court. It's not taking away. Anything from the sport in michael's era and isaiah thomas and magic sierra. The pie was much smaller. You were fighting for a piece of the pie. Ev menlo mid level guys. Now make eleven million making money. Everybody is money outside of the sport. They all grew up playing each other. They all have relationships. Like it's it's fine. I get it hurts. Some rivalries i guess in that sense it does take a little juice out of you. Know i it it lessens the villains but will always find a way to create those narratives. I think it's nice. I like it. And by the way i do know dwayne haskins played with steelers now washington. Yeah my mind i listen. I had about twice when brady last year. I- brady is so embedded doing new england. Three hours we all know you knew what you met joy with the news. Well that's the news and thanks for stopping the heard. Jason mcintyre one of my favorite segments next one more heard the herd streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen. Live or on demand whenever you like. Hey this is jason mcintyre. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast straight. Fire with jason mcintyre. 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More jason mcintyre. Let's bring him in live. We trust headlines today. All right mack. We got we two of things we want to attack. Let's not waste any time. Let's start with the nba conference semifinals. What could happen tomorrow's headlines today. What's going to be the headline. Nats bucks games seven. Why you're having a party saturday night. To celebrate game seven. The headline will be kevin. Dirt can't lead nets past butts colin. I like your milwaukee bucks. Listen we all watched durant in game. Five he was amazing other worldly read forty nine seventeen and ten but colin digits. See what happened in game six. You know like he kinda was gassed. I mean this guy had three assists. He only took two free throw. Attempts basically refused to attack the basket. And i just wonder everything broke for them in game. Five is jeff green gonna make seven three pointers again. Colin like is that happening. I just i don't see it happening. I love durant lot. Everybody says he's the best player in the nba colin. He looked tired. Unless james harden can be traffic cone defensively was engaged sick. I mean i just. I don't see it happening by the way the gambling line. Because i know you watch them. That bucks opened up as one and a half favorites. But it's been bet now the nets or one point favorites because all the public is coming in on on brooklyn. I think the bucks of the side year. You sound like a sharp tomorrow's headlines today. Seventy sixers hawks game six. I'm a fortune on the seventy sixers at my nuts nuts but the headline will be hawks prey on processed meat. Yes i'm going with the hawks only because colin you know. I think the first thing you told me. When i got to f s one five years ago we love chaos. That's what our is great for our business and call it a hawks win in game. Six trolley puts doc rivers on the unemployment line or at least he's been looked at. And you know ben. Simmons is a goner. We'll get him in a moment. But i just cannot get over what happened in game. Five by the way joel was magnificent for a half in the second half that knee. I don't know if it flared up only three for nine. Where was he in. The fourth quarter missed. Two free throws late and tobias harris. Who is paid thirty five million dollars. Highest paid sixer. He was on a milk carton in the second half. Didn't make a basket colin visit. Probably comes down to a guy. You and i both love. Ben simmons. i will admit i have been bullish on. Ben simmons show multiple times. I would build around sentences. I'm close to taking a rare l. on this one. I just colin ben. Simmons has not delivered. He has not attempted a field goal of field goal in the fourth quarter of last. Two games do what's going on. So i'm taking the hawks tonight all right. Let's talk about ben simmons. Let's shift ben. Simmons will be moved. There's a lot of rumors out. They've they've already tried to move him so tomorrow's headlines today. What would be the headline. Ben simmons to the wizards. Yeah ben simmons faked trades are fun. And here's why the first one up the headline will be seventy sixers wheel and bill to get rid of ben simmons. Bradley beal in washington has refused to commit to the wizards. I kind of put this out there a couple of weeks ago. They just fired their coach. Scott brooks in hopes of keeping bradley. Beal the reality colin bradley. Beal probably is going to say you once out here in the next month or two and bradley beal to philly gets the shooting around. Joel embiid steph. Curry bradley beal. I think that would be great. Now if you're washington westbrook in simmons doesn't quite jive but i do believe ultimately you get rid of russell. Westbrook was very good. And you build around benson. Yeah no. that's about probably about as good as you're going to get if you get. Ben simmons deal. That may be the best. You can get okay. Tomorrow's headlines today. What about. Ben simmons blazers. That's fascinating. yes you're europe. Pacific northwest guy portland. They need to do something. The headline will be no more dame time to waste colin damian. Lillard turns thirty one in july. Okay last five years. They did knocked out of the first round four times at some point. You got to quit banging your head against a wall and said we got to break up the cj mccollum damian thing. I believe if you go to the sixers and say hey we'll give you the shooting in mccollum and robert covington who you guys had a few years ago. Whoever you want. Please give us. Ben simmons and calling you know the biggest returns in life can often happen when you have a contrarian mindset and you go against the grind. I do believe ben. Simmons can be small ball five. Yes guard center in this league and colin. What's the harm if you try that. You've already tried everything with dane. You can't get to the finals. You put ben simmons at the five. Take the ball out. Dame's hands a little bit. Take the pressure off him. I think it's worth a shot in the loaded west and by the way the sixers will be very good with steph. Curry and cj mccollum tomorrow's headlines. Today ben simmons to the warriors who i e. There's a lot of talk. They wanna make deals yes. Well they're smart. Forward thinking tech savvy company that had line will be. Simmons takes us steph in the right direction. Ben simmons steph curry klay thompson. Draymond green columnists would be a dream. Okay you talk about draymond. Green being like an awesome player defensively high q. Pair him with ben simmons calling. I mean that to me is an ultimately fascinating situation. You get great defenders. This is kind of a scottie. Pippin denis rodman defensively and then you get the splash brothers back in the back court now. How does philly. Where do they benefit here. The warriors have the minnesota timberwolves lottery. Pick this year. That could be as high as number four. If you can get the fourth pick you know maybe you add andrew wiggins. Who's not that appealing. But he's a good wing. Andrew wiggins is like the third guys pretty darn good. And if you're golden state you move on from james wiseman right and find a third team. Because he didn't really click with draymond and steph. Didn't i think colin you know this you be creative. You think outside the box. Don't do what everyone else is doing. There are options for ben sentenced. Still thrive in this league. It's just not working next to joel embiid. I think it's a good point. I we talked about this yesterday. He's too expensive to bail. He's too talented bail. You can't play on a team with a stud center like embiid embiid. One of the two or three guys. He can't play with. You can't clog the lane with simmons. He's got to be able to finish at the rim by the way lebron by the way before he fell in love with his jump shot. Lebron didn't like big. He wanted kevin love and bosh to clear out. It's understandable. jason mcintyre. Good seeing you again bud. Alright pal take it easy there. Listen it is not. Everybody fits everywhere like damore jackson. Eighty percent of his games but gregg roman is the perfect coordinator foreign. They asked lamar and let him grow slowly based on what he does real well if he would run into andy reid offense day one. Maybe it doesn't work as quickly so ben. Simmons is a six ten and a half point. Great vision great ball handler. Unbelievable first team all nba defense. He's never gonna be a great shooter to me. Just hit the free throws your sixty eight percent at the line that you hit free throw and it's free throw percentage. I'll say it again. Coach colin finn. And ain't that bad. Bend the knees little just a little. He doesn't bend his knees enough. I wanna trophy in the eighth grade. Shoot i know what. I speak alright joys on an aeroplane of course she is. It's friday. we'll see monday to heard at children's national hospital. 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