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"donner party" Discussed on Bay Curious
"Used for the benefit of others. Miss. School way. Oh. Need Sorta I quote at the local people to work fort and when he met those, who wouldn't he brutally forced them into what a visiting settler called a complete state of slavery the man burnt down. ME. Walking. Round houses as a way of motivating people to work harder. In that's the equivalent of burning down somebody's church. When the two men from the Donna Party reached Fort, they were given those life saving supplies to take back to the rest of the party in desert's, and because John, satellite to flex his power to white visitors, he also sent to young me Walkman from the fought with them to help take the supplies back to the party and to stay with them the names given to them when they were converted to Catholicism by the Spanish missionaries will Luiz and salvage for we don't know much about them or whether they labored by choice at Sutter's fort that story often gets lost in the Donner Party saga but given what happened to the next we're going to follow that story show You. The Food Luis and Salvador helped deliver back to the desert from John Sutter saved the Donna Party, and after multiple weeks in the baking heat. This hungry group finally reached the granite cliffs of the Sierra Nevada just as it was starting to snow. This exhausted crew of eighty. One people rested where Reno is now and then edged slowly towards where truckee now lies. Far. Slow. Could be said. That if a rested up for four or five days in Reno. Down the hill from US had they left one day earlier. Because he this group filled with families with young children was attacked by shockingly early snowstorm that kept piling snow as high as fifteen feet deep on the ground around them. And it wouldn't stop. You have been in a place like, Tahoe. When bad weather hits. But the snowstorms. Most of us have seen in our lives are nothing compared to what? Donna Party saw in October eighteen, forty six it was snow that literally buried them where they stood. And when they realized, they could not go any further. They made camp at the place where Donna Memorial state. Park now lies by Donald Lake right below indistinct hazy. But a quarter of them including the Dawn family themselves was stuck miles behind a place called older creek show even though the party is Donna. Party. And this is Donald late they make it this far that snow lost. Days, and this is when the real ordeal began. The Donna Party started desperately constructing shelter from the elements some somehow the strength to fashion rough cabins. Unbelievable conditions others managed nothing more than lean to tents. Couple of sticks laid up against the trunk of a tree and put buffalo robes and canvas. Over those. The families of the Donna potty both that cabins and shelters startlingly far apart. After six months of chaos and violence on the trail, these people were sick of the sight of each other. So by this time, there's no love lost between the families. Let's every family of themselves the health anybody. Already. Running dangerously low on provisions. The travelers trapped in the snow killed the loss of that oxen for food eating. I. The meats then they're hides a few attempted to travel through the snow to the other side of the mountain, but the snow is just too deep. The Patriarch of the Green. Family. Patrick Brain started keeping a diary. It's the only first person account of the Dawn Party horror written at the time that seen the light of day. Snowing fast snow higher than the Shanti. Must be thirteen feet deep. Don't know how would this morning? Stretch A true battle for survival had begun. and. All around them as the days turn to weeks, the freezing snow just kept coming provision getting very scant. People Getting Week. Living on short allowance of hides. The. Camps were filled with children of all ages enduring one of the most traumatic events imaginable. Elisa Donna was the youngest child in the family and she was only three years old at the time she survived and eventually wrote a memoir of the terrible isolation up there in the SIERRAS. Oh, it was painfully quiet some days in those. Great. Mountains and lonesome upon the snow. The Pine had a whispering Homesick Murmur. and. We children had lost all inclination to play. Inside their makeshift cabins with families huddled weakened by hunger to escape the elements it was dark and increasingly battered especially when people started to die. Days at a time sequestered in the cabins. You can use your imagination and imagine just how gross that was you know from sanitary? Things to accord slang and the corner over there off to a month and a half it became clear that if anyone was going to.
"donner party" Discussed on Bay Curious
"You remember from part one how the first cannibalism happened not at Donna Lake. But when a band of the strongest on a party members strapped on diy snow shoes and made a break for it across the mountains. To. Young Me Walkman traveling with the Donna Party. Called Luiz and sophomore where with them. And when supplies ran out on the journey, one man shot and killed those too so that the others could eat their bodies. That man was called William Foster. And because of who he'd killed two native Americans rather than a woman like elisas mother foster never faced a reckoning for his crime. As Greg Palmer says it wasn't even seen as a crime. We in foster was never charged and they got to California the eighteen forty. It wasn't a crime. To Kill in India only Indian. So that was the. Mentality of the de. Foster ahead even joined the rescue party to voluntarily return to Donald Lake and bring more people to safety. To The white world in California foster was a hero, not a murderer. An condemning what I it did. It would have meant condemning mindset and a way of life that had greatly benefited many people who came to California to claim for their own. And many more were about to make the journey. As dramatic as Donna, parties life and death story was the immediate aftermath actually marks this moment in time in California history that was like the calm before the storm. In the short term, what happened to the Donna Parties? Scared people, Greg says that for aspiring emigrants contemplating the same trip, it was a cautionary tale, the overland emigrant traffic drop down to almost zero. There were a couple that made it but the vast majority didn't because it what happen. then. In January eighteen, forty eight, just nine months after Lewis. Keys. Berg was dragged off the mountain. Gold was discovered in California. Those small flakes of gold in a river changed California forever. And most of all for those that had lived here for centuries. In it's just incredible that indigenous people indigenous to this land could go from being the ancestral stewards of a place since time immemorial twelve's en just being a resource to be used for the kind of capitalistic growth and enrichment of an American society that hadn't even been on this continent established as a nation for a hundred years. This is Dalton Brown a member of the Wilton run Sharia tribe outside Sacramento. His ancestors the me Walkin Nissan people of this region had made this land their home for hundreds of years. Settlers like the Donna Party wanted it, and now with gold everybody else did too when white migration into California which would be just trickle became a flood. Seven eight year period of time that saw. One hundred thousand forty niners rushing to this geographic area where I sit now. Looking to make their their wealth earlier colonizers had ready hugely disrupted the lives of California's indigenous residents. But it's believed that just those first twenty years after gold was discovered eighty percents of California's indigenous population was wiped out not just by disease the by destruction and murder. Those that survived found themselves displace and.
Spooky Stories Week
"This week's theme comes to us from Shane McClellan and is called spooky stories. Here's why chose this theme he writes Hey. My name is Shane McClellan. I'm the creator of the files podcast and theme I chose is spooky stories because while October the spookiest time of the year. Here, are the episodes chosen by Shane for this week's theme along with short descriptions of each episode. The first episode comes to us from old gods of Appalachia and is called prologue. It's nine minutes long. Welcome to our APPALACHIA. We're hearts are good. Hands are. And no one wants to talk about what sleeps beneath us. The next episode comes to us from the cue files and is called the Donner Party, it's twenty three minutes long. This is the horrifying story of the Donner Party told like never before. Next up is scare you sleep and the episode is called Cannibals it's thirty seven minutes long. Spooky soothing unnerving bedtime stories. The next episode comes to us from stories with Sapphire and is called Dula for death. It's twenty nine minutes long. Listening for unique perspectives on death. and. The last episode of the week comes to us from euphemistic and it's called a vampire feeds. It's thirty three minutes long. Here's the description real vampires the draining of blood, the feeding on others and the quest to keep others fed. Those are the episodes chosen by Shane for this week's theme Spooky Stories.
"donner party" Discussed on Today in True Crime
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"donner party" Discussed on The Practical Wanderlust Podcast
"Not either need to put chains on your car or have have all wheel drive very important definitely recommend especially if you're renting a car. Just go for the four wheel drive. It's worth it because chains you can't rent them because you can't like reuse them you can by them along the way you can buy them along the way. They're fairly expensive. Depending on where you go you can get them cheaper if you get closer to chain control but you're just kind of rolling the dice there that they suck doc to put on this sucks so much to put on because you're just like in the snow putting on chains. It's the worst thing called. It is almost as bad as getting stuck there for four months and having. I'm sorry I couldn't almost that. I made it for math so these days. We go at least once a year at least sometimes more honestly eh usually bring a big group of friends and we get cabin. We gotta make sure that there's like a hot tub. Everybody brings snacks and cook a big meal together and have us go. Go to a ski resort. It's really fun. And it's like one of our favorite things to do. We actually just got back this last weekend. We went to a group of friends took ski. Listen I did. I took one ski. USN go cried like a lot. But I finished it. which was my goal? My number one goal was finished the ski lesson. My number to stretch goal was like don't cry so I didn't hit that goal but I did finish the ski lesson and I'm very proud of myself. You can see me being a majestic baby giraffe on skis on my instagram stories under the Tejo Highlight we usually go to South Lake Tahoe mainly because I really like Sierra The thing about Tahoe in the winter though is that in the summer are you can drive from north to south and that's totally fine and it's a beautiful drive and you should do it. It's a beautiful drive also beautiful hike but in the winter you have to commit to North or South because you can't. I usually take the highway route around because it's usually snowed in Yeah so we usually do. South Lake Tahoe but actually both of them are really nice. There's there's very similar things about both of them. Neither of them have like a very walkable. Downtown area I've heard truck. He is really cute but we haven't actually been neither of them had like amazing. Seizing food like Tom. Who is not a foodie destination? Hold on there's the German restaurant I do love the German Restaurant House House. You've never really good special there. It's like my favorite post hike post skiing now that I've done one ski lesson food. And those also Bob dog the dog a bout. It is pretty good pizza. But it's not it's not like a foodie place you don't go there for the food so honestly picking North or South Lake Tahoe depends entirely on which ski resorts you prefer. and which ones you're going to now. You should know before you go there if you're an east coaster who moved to California and you're like I have skied before you skied a hill. These are gigantic granite mountains mountains. And I say this as somebody who was born in Massachusetts and went to school in Massachusetts and. Yeah he's right it's totally different so there are a ton of ski resorts in Dachau and we can't cover them all here but we can talk about some of our favorites. What is your favorite mine? I always go back to his Sierra. Tahoe it has a special place in my heart mark. The first one I went to. It's the first major wine you hit when you're heading into South Lake and it's one of it's one of the cheaper options and they have a lot of really good I'd like beginner. And Intermediate runs their blues are a little bit easier than most places. So beginners have a lot there. it's also the least crowded. I don't think there's ever been a day where I've where I've waited more than two minutes for a ski lift. which is crazy yeah? It wasn't all this weekend and it's one of the only remaining independently owned ski resorts in Tahoe. Which is really nice? You can tell it's got that like family kind of vibe. It's not like one of the big crazy ones that has like the flashy village or whatever never in it's also sponsored by Subaru which has no bearing on your experience but I just think it's kind of a fun fact. Is that because we own a saber. Al Yes the Saverio belonged to my late grandmother who was also a Subaru Person. She was wonderful. See people we love them. There's boreal mountain boils like probably the most budget friendly but the thing about it is that they have have a freestyle terrain park. That does not sound like my cup of tea. There's there's runs. That aren't the train park. But that's like the main that most of them are terrain. And you pass right by the Donner Party Memorial morial on your way there take it back. We have to go there. That's my new favorite ski resort. I love free styling. I love people. I have to sleep next tonight. This is weird. There's home would which is on the West Shore. It's really small inexpensive and it's got the best view because it's right on the shore. That sounds sounds actually really nice. View is the priority. Then that's the choice for you. Yeah actually that sounds wonderful and last time we were at Costco because we always stop at Costco. Go to see if they have discount lift tickets usually they have Sierra tickets But this year they had homeward think. There's they've stopped carrying zero. It's hard to know but definitely stop by Costco to see if they have discount lift tickets because they usually got something home woods mostly intermediate. But it's still a fantastic option. Let about the Philly higher priced options. So so there's two that immediately come to mind when you think of Tahoe and that Squaw Valley and heavenly it is actually so having these avail L. resort probably the most famous in Tahoe. It's also the largest. It's got a couple of base lodges in one of them is actually in the town of South Lake. Tahoe if you like a walkable area with like shops and stuff heavenly village is definitely what you're looking for. They have a Gondola from the actual town. That's like on the main dragon. A teachable all the way up the mountain and it's right on the border with Nevada. So if you like casinos. They're right there for you. Listen we're going to be honest. We are very very biased towards the California side notice. We have not talked about the Nevada side at all 'cause casinos mostly sorry and then there's squad Alpine So a squad is like for serious people or people who WanNa get lost in Siberia It hosted the Winter Olympics in nineteen eighteen sixty. So that's like that gives you a gauge of how challenging the terrain can be. But it's you know it's like an all all levels resort because it's a major resort. I've actually heard that it's like a really early. Like advanced resort for people that are like very serious about being eighty ski montage stars. They do have beginner runs. But they're typically at the lower side of the mountain and then sugarbowl resort. I like sugar bowl resort because it is another independently owned resort and their claim to fame is being one of the oldest ski resorts in the West and having the deepest pissed and most ridiculous. No out of any of the tahoe resorts and also and this is fun. Little facts which is a semi related. It's located on Donner summit at Donner Pass whereas Donner Pass. Jeremy What does that have to do with We're just talking about. Do you do you everything to come back to the Donner Party. Everything has has to come back to the Donner Party. But also Disney which is my other obsession because Walt Disney was one of the original founders of this resort. That's going to be a trip soon. Actually that's GonNa that'd be the next episode. We're GONNA do it. There are some luxury ski resorts. Kirkwood northstar lovely. How are they couldn't tell you? Never been if you are the type of person who goes to luxury ski resorts. Please let us know how that is. How how that life is like? We are very curious. Now you might be asking like isn't Lake Tahoe. Oh always expensive and the answer is that it doesn't have to be. It really doesn't like you'd think that you know everybody going to Tahoe. Every weekend is super rich and yes. It's true skiing and snowboarding are not the cheapest sports but it doesn't have to be you. Don't have to go skiing snowboarding. While you're there you can go to a budget place and get a cheaper ticket. There are so many ways to make your trip to Tahoe. Oh affordable and the first step that is just google anything about budget tahoe winter and go to our website Yes that's so convenient that we have a giant practical guide ride to planning a lake tahoe winter trip on a budget or you can just click the link in the show notes that works so you might be asking. What else is there to do? If you're not into skiing skiing or snowboarding because you know Donna party breaking your leg all right have. We not moved on from the Donner Party. Jeremy it's just getting really annoying at this point and I wish he would stop. So there's sledding into being you can You can tube Sierra and you can rent the tube and go up this little moving sidewalk or or you can do it the hard way and by a to Amazon. They have some really fine line animals in silly shapes. There's like a fire dragon. He's Kinda my favorite and you can just like go to a good health so we went to spooner summit last year and just like walked up Capitol Hill and then tube down the Little Hill and It was a very good workout and also a lot of fun. There's also snowshoeing. Most of the major resorts will have snow shoe trails. uh-huh Kirkwood has like a whole snowshoeing center. Yeah which is basically just hiking but like legalizing on top of this now. She's pretty awesome. There's my favorite Tahoe in winter. Tippety which is just sitting in a hot tub if you're GONNA rent a cabin and Lake Tahoe which showed there are some available like VR B. O or AIRBNB. There are some. I'm pretty strict laws now surrounding that. But you can still find them and do not rent without a hot tub because they should have one that is like that is a requirement. I think that I think uh-huh some point it might have been state mandated that. Yeah Yeah it's actually part of the like contentious new laws about AIRBNB. Apparently some do she millennials from in the bay area where like enjoying themselves too loudly in the hot tub And that is why Verron out stricter restrictions so if you go to the hot tub you do so quietly also trying to slip on the stairs because I did last week and my entire but is black with bruises. Yeah it's rough speaking of falling on your but you can ice skating at heavenly village. That sounds Cathodic so hard. Pass on that. There's dog sledding. It's coie which sounds adorable. There's huskies that you can you can. Dog sled with sounds amazing. I'm not sure the ethical side of it though so you got to look at it. I'd have to do some research. I have been dog. sledding in Norway in it was ethical you can definitely have awesome ethically responsibly treated dogs but they are not. There's no consensus on whether dog sledding is ethical. It depends on the place so I can't tell you if they have been vetted or not. I have not done that research. If you want something that Leah will never do or I will never do you go cross country skiing Royal Gorge which is the largest cross country ski area. Are you in North America. I don't know why you would say that I would never do it because you should know that. I love Scandanavia one of my favorites. We've come full circle. I really do want to go back to Tahoe again. I know we were just there two days ago days ago. It's been it's been a while I would like to go back really miss it you know. Yeah and while we were there I would like to go to The memorial please. Please take me v Memorial. Yes you know the the memorial gets buried in Snow Right. That's traction well. Hopefully this has gotten you guys a little bit hungry to visit my brother cannibals. It's all we should do like a count of how many times we talked about it on her party in this episode. Because I feel like a lot. Yeah can you guys let us know how many we did. And I think that it would be appropriate to to end today with Some pretty radical eighty ski montage music.
"donner party" Discussed on The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
"Gave me stuff and Mass Doug Lewis also had two hundred and twenty five dollars worth of gold from from Tamsin in his waistcoat so the rescue party interrogated Lewis must have quite territory yeah. I'm sure tell me about all the body parts everywhere. I don't know what the J. he admitted that he'd eaten Tamsin. Samson does that to start that album but he said he did not murder. He waited for her to die of natural. 'cause I was a good guy about it. He confessed to taking the daughter's good. It's the Gold Bundler stolen silks jewels firearms but he said Tam Senate asked him to gather the donners goods and give it to her children. well almost must unable twenty first the fourth relief left with Lewis on April twenty nine th eighteen forty seven exact almost exactly a year from their departure the the last member of the Donner Party hobbled into sutter's fort and was reunited with his wife who aided immediately eight him of the eighty nine immigrants forty five survived thirty. Two of them were children. The reads and brains were the only families survive without a single loss on average. The women survived months longer than the men okay that doesn't have to be we don't have did didn't make gender lines. William Etty started searching for Lewis to kill him but James we talked talked him out of it. Tamsin donner gained a cult following and became the heroine of the Donner Party her loyalty George and I love for children were commended my men and in women everywhere not so much for Lewis Casper interesting what happened news of the Donner Party spread across the nation of newspapers and by word of mouth. The cannibalism was shocking. Though many members of the Donner Party eight people Louis Kiss Berg took the heat because he was really eating people know we'll try to macaroni at the end of the buffet really good try him with a biscuit. You will not regret it. He was known as quote the savage eight humans for pleasure journalists dubbed him the Human Cannibal and report and he murdered Tamsin Donner as fact the human cannibal. I know no shit. Eh like this this Cannibal here man. It sounds good. I know but it's really good extra word it works. It's redundant. It's one more word art works. I got paid by words. A rumor began that Lewis went to bars and bragged about eating people what he was at eh bars like he goes every like Apache era Murphy. Excuse me fucking great this go eat. It's people once you start. You're like this is fucking awesome. People like I did it up in the mountains uh-huh but now I'm just like all the time so I hang out at the beach lots and when people blocked by them and I just dig a chunk other leg or whatever and they can't get it back because it's dumb thome you know what I mean. I'll take another shot so nice. Bar is taking a shot of Flesh Human Cannibal mechanical the pool get up. Uh The rumor was he was going to bars saying human was more delicious than California. No you hold on there. Sir sure imagine like and I kinda I I'm not trying to. I'm just going to say his head space the head space I am now the guy who eats humans. I have now been that's when people see me they go. That's the humans okay I'm GONNA lean in. That's what I'm GONNA do. I'm so sick of being categorized as a freak that I'm now not no longer. Was it survival rival based solely. This is actually the better meet. This is the other white meat this is I'm telling you we should get like people arm yeah and just raise people and we should ship that out to Oregon and see if they like it right by the way the horror people feel over that in Oregon well the note like if we were to eat people have been fields like being. I let us out yeah yeah I like. What do we have that we can see that they just don't speak English but they are out there like hey? There's some beautiful cow ranch really gorgeous. It looks so happy yeah so they also said the rumor was that he said towns liber was the sweetest morsel guy who's trying to own this and and then he said and then he looks at me and he goes was the sweetest morsel everyday face which is what brings me to my cookbook how to Egypt House the the best media of ever had have you ever had a Powell chilly philly appealing so Lewis was tried ride for murdering six immigrants but acquitted because there's no evidence well I mean good Lord except for all sitting there like there's nothing uh-huh no evidence you say when we're going to but his reputation is a disaster I wonder why he sued a rescuer for slander and one but only received a dollar in damages and I had to pay court fees ranch in eighteen forty forty eight John Sutter hired Louis as a captain on a merchant ship people to follow this guy for sure just seven months later Heinrich Doc Heinrich Lionheart wrote quote finally sutter decided to replace Mister Kessler G- because so many passengers complained that the boat traveled so slowly early down the river that when they ran out of food the captain who is accustomed to human flesh might kill passengers who were asleep and eat them my own feeling is that sutter invented this story. Sorry I completely understand when imagine where would you sleep. Eat your arm. That's going slow now. I'm your Spaghetti. So after this Lewis worked in cinema for General Vallejo before for running a boarding house at Sutter's Fort Okay in eighteen fifty want he bought a hotel in Sacramento stop. This reinvention is probably not not going well and the rumors started in skies just earring whispers everywhere he goes people should stop it one time for the year enough. Lord rumors started in Sacramento that he was running a restaurant uh-huh. I mean look this is what you eat a bunch of people sorry. That's going to stick with you. He didn't survive you've yeah but it felt like he was revelling a little more than everyone else. I mean. If you're last man standing sorry you're just going to be the guy like he saw the hotel but it was destroyed by a fire the night before the purchase was official so he got no money no. Let's let's not feel too bad for this. fucking no known cause of the fire next he ran the Phoenix brewery and advocate worth fifty thousand dollars aw but it was destroyed by a flood okay he was broke again in eighteen sixty six Lewis moved to Calistoga and became a partner in a distillery life went well until his wife died in eighteen seventy seven they had yeah you know what we're just GONNA go ahead and do without a burial take care take care of the figure the best way to save on some of these commission cremation fees. You're talking about is is to we will get rid of it on our own. Last thing we want to do is take a plot or anything like that. We know away that she will be with us forever and not you sums not sitting right classic her Nag Nag Nag Nag Nag Nag Nag even from dummy so they had four children and in two of them were intellectually disabled okay. CF mcglashan was writing and writing a history of the party said of Lewis's children quote Bertha and Augusta Gusta live with the father at Brighton Sacramento County. Both these children are hopelessly idiotic well. There's that empathy we've read about the time Bertha's twenty six and has never uttered an intelligible word Augusta's fifteen and possesses only slight traces of intelligent both are subject to frequent and violent spouses or epileptic fits the state provides for insane but not idiots they they scream so loudly while going into their spasms that he cannot dwell near other people he therefore lives isolated in a plain little house back of his brewery here he lives the saddest loneliest most pitiable creature on the face of the earth. What the fuck now you feel bad for him? Yeah I do feel bad for him. Well not for him for the kids. It's not good for anybody but yeah sure so. When Lewis was sixty fifty five years old he was living near Sacramento and this author mcglashan found him and he said Lewis was afflicted by quote misery and desolation tormented by enduring during accusations that he was a cannibal? The writer got well to be fair. It's not even an accusation well but they're saying he keeps doing it. I mean Oh oh yeah for sure well again. I mean you eat thirty people. Let's see now you're doing it. He didn't eat thirty people. You eat some people he had a good amount of people what I know about thirty though look dude he won he won. Sorry sorry this. This is the downside delivering that is actually what he said when they came to rescue them long motherfucker Ooh ooh millionaires right away Dave how long until there's a reality show of people eating other people for weight gain five years the Max the biggest winner it's eating other people's.
"donner party" Discussed on The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
"But that's like veal. You know what I mean so this location would later be called decamp of death finally finally a good name so the made from the bodies did not met last that much longer and they began eating their shoes. What wait a minute who goes human human does shoe you go shoot a human what the fuck well that was? You're probably eat the other things we could since Patrika the teenager dead and in us our shoes it really go for another Patrick. Though of course we all right. We're not doing it. Let's dive Retro Causes Now. Everyone ate their shows. Not the Nike all right so much suggested killing and eating their to native American guides Luis Listen Salvador by the weight of course of course of course white people like should we eat the navigation should be crazy but another man was appalled by this and he warned the to native Americans who ran away into the forest there we go. We've got a real win-win that guys the next to get eaten by the way Lewis Lips eat dips Louis from a nearby Milwaukee village but a few days later they keep wandering and they find Luis and Salvador dying in the snow the guy who the first guy who suggested they should eat people shot them without hesitation and then they sliced allies and dried Luis and Salvador packing meat packing January seventeenth the snowshoeing group eating a lot of people on January seventeenth snowshoe group reached Lewis Listen Salvador's Milwaukee village. Oh no hey we haven't seen them. I have your son right here. The they were so thin the Milwaukee thought they were ghosts and ran away by the way right move entirely a. r. and run yes always run from white people yeah for sure white people but they show up gaunt and fully your friends take off. Hey No we're not the regular assholes we're desperate so soon they realized that these were starving people and they actually cared for them until some recovered. They didn't have much mostly just had a cornbread but they shared it with these people have been eating friends at shoes. They'll take corn bread after week. Take to native Americans led William Eddie to Johnson's ranch which is about fifteen miles away the settlers at Johnson's ranch were absolutely horrified lied when they saw Eddie and they quickly formed a party to go help they followed Eddie's bloody footprints to the ME Walk Village and this is very clear actually it's a clear path very clear we call this group.
"donner party" Discussed on The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
"Molecules separate uh sort of friends so the men wanted to return to donner camp the women angrily opposed demanding that they find help silly rationality then they all became so hungry they started hallucinating eating and then someone suggested they eat one of them. WHOA so I have an idea so they are tripping my ideas? We eat frank because I fucking hungry. This is why we should've kept Har- group around by the way you cannot get offended in the story in this audience right now so they're desperate and they talk about it and they agreed to draw straws and decide who will be eat what what what what what about the Doodoo smokers Piper died. Why not go back and be like this dude? He's still ready those five days ago. They walked away from him. Ah Timelines off obviously yeah. I mean okay so he's Christ surprised. Drawing straws existed that early but they couldn't do it. They couldn't bring themselves to do it. They couldn't cut the small one yeah so they decided to wait until one of them died and then they would just eat that person within within three days. Patrick Dolan died and was eating. I Jesus Christ Dave. This is the slow down three people died. Patrick was eaten first because he wasn't related to anyone anyone idea of some sort of categorizing of this okay so they hadn't gone on an here I want. I want them to know how to eat them. I that's awesome congratulations. What did you guys I? It's awesome what a a history teacher and he came here tonight and I was like you know my podcasts about. He's like no and now he's GonNa get eaten. What Turnaround Cinderella story so the Patrick they were so you were Dave? It says a lot about where we are that you just said they patrick. It's actually my uncle's name which is hilarious yeah. Why's he leaving? You can't get far old man. I'll see you on the rock-hard goop yeah so they scared him on sticks over a fire at least a nice way to do it. Are you going to do it yeah. Tuck turn tournament rotate them. Patrick look good before but he looks great now. It was a great guy to which they think is going to really help. I really liked him. I've never had a connection like this to the food I'm going to I've never known them this well. I had a chicken name Bob that I used to have sex with. This is different. What's that what was the middle? Maybe hallucinating you better be. You never all righty. They didn't look at each other as they ate Patrick. Shame shame yeah. It's awkward. That's a hard meal well. What are you GonNa do like fuck guys? You guys try there. Dipping sauce good you feel pure. Shame Shame Anthony Bourdain gene. No no no no no no get more aglow. Give me more glue workload pounded Dow with they also didn't look at each other when they cooked and ate twelve year old alum Lem you'll Murphy.
"donner party" Discussed on The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
"What does that even mean so now. We're not percents yet but they didn't do any proof so on October sixteenth the Donner Party arrived in the Sierra Nevada's. That's when the front axle of the Donner Party wagon broke and George cut his hand very badly making a new one. It's slowly began to gangrene. Is this the expression the wheels coming off because that's pretty quickly deteriorated well. We lost a wheel. He's got gangrene. My God it was five minutes ago. The donners starter Carter lagging behind the party by now many families had lost most of their cattle to starvation or native American thieves. Food and supplies were decreasing rapidly in early November. The Donner Party moved with urgency share hoping to make the steep crossing before the snow came my God yes Patrick Breen quote wrote the weather was clear but a large circle around the moon indicated an approaching storm eight inches of snow fell that night. Give me fine. It's not not good. This hasn't been read arrived at Sutter's fort over weeks. He put together a group of three men. Many horses food and supplies were healed. The Donner Party would be when the party arrived at Truckee Lake in northeast California. The snow was several feet deep. They decided it to set up camp around the lake and hold on through the winter. They set up camp right near the lake well yeah there's actually abandoned abandoned cabins around on there for whatever reason why makes more sense so some of them took the cabins. There's just had to make shelters. It's kind of like the beginning of a reality show. Everyone picks rooms. I accept your life depends on some made lean-to's Louis despite his lean-to's airy lean in something up against Weber contrary or another building and then you cover it and that's what you're in relaxed survivor expert. You're the one who watches which is naked and afraid. I'll just watch it. I'm naked. I watch that show and I'm terrified. The only way to watch that show is naked and afraid to watch it outside on an IPAD in the cold naked the poor Jose. He's with me Asshole so Louis despite despite his injured an infected foot built this shed for his family okay. The Donner Party settled on the other side. Is that kind of like a dig at argued like he's. He's got a fucked up foot and he's like I'm building a shelter. Remember why he got the fucked up foot today say he just fucked it up. Somehow so the party said on the on the other side of the lake and another cabin snow starts falling harder and harder snow chips are growing tolerant taller. The wet firewood is impossible to burn. She feels like you're using hero. Yeah food went on uncooked food. Cook does not the right thing to sing and food was not cooked things to eat were roasted mice ice and a fatty glue like broth from boiling cow heights. Oh by God you can either eat mice or drink glue. They are the options yeah fucking a welcome to winter. I'd rather be hard coop at this point in December snowshoes bunch of made snowshoes out of the remaining cattle hides they make seventeen and they gave them to the strongest and healthiest theus members of the party. The hope was could make it over the mountains and get help at a settlement okay so they set out with six days of rations okay on on December seventeenth to return to the lake exhausted. It's not good news at all. We just left we left. It's really hard to get up. There and the shoes are ruined so five women nine men and a twelve year old walked on that twelve year old is like I wanna die. I'm ready to be a foot four can boring. Yes I see the snow fucking inch shut up dad. How great would it be to be able to take your twelve year old that put them in this situation for just ten minutes? Why don't you go to that upset about the mood you use your imagination todd and just think of stuff? You're out here in wonderful nature. Take it in gene. We're dying. Fuck Fuck. You Dad yeah. I said Fuck You dad. I've been gene hazings up because it made sense. It was a shortcut. It was only one hundred twenty eight miles out of our way. I'm going to your I doubt that probably maybe not have happened. Love You son in the summer twentieth like a breakthrough for you. The twentieth they reached Yuba Bottoms Nobody Uber but was at the original Namur you'd be okay but some snow but some snow shears had now gone missing. Patrick Breen wrote quote tough times at the end of the Journal entry for the day. You know you're a tough EH tough times but not discouraged our hopes are God amen aw man how Great Guy Right now God is great fuck you the idea that God God won't let us die no he will. It'll be you remember hard. Coop flapping on the rocks like a newborn penguins yeah. It's over on December twenty first. The rations ran out Charleston say Christmas Charleston was two weeks ahead back to camp and he sat down the snow pulled out his pipe and there's last tobacco and told the others to go on without him man man. That's by the way that's pretty. That's a pretty great way to go to just be like I'm just going to smoking die. Go ahead. I'm just going to have a bit of a pipe and then I'll just have a good day. It's his final words. were quote. Yes I am coming soon. He was never seen again. It's five days later on December twenty sixth La- The group was completely lost frostbitten. They drank melted snow. The men wanted to return to Donald by the way the men wanted water it also melted snow technically water.
"donner party" Discussed on The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
"The on September Thirteenth Party can't that place called a read called the mad woman woman camp and he's just riffing right. He's got no idea what's going on. We read that diarrhea because quote all the women in the the camp were mad with anger yeah but not because of the location because of the experience boy. What is it about this area that makes women go Kuku Okubo Nana's like we're dying? Here's something which by you we are. I just Kim the wives dislike do fucking Watt. Hey guess my hasty fucking who guess what's GonNa make all the wives happier naming it after that God you guys are so fucking crazy. I'm calling this mad wife Alex. Hey guys I know you're pissed but I wanted to let you know kind of an Omar's moment. The in honor on September twenty fifth apart party finally completed pleaded the hastings cutoff told you tell you a quick. She tells you be easier. Sorry your family's dead so much closer when we were it took sixty days way way longer than it should. Have you know sometimes shortcuts aren't shorter. I don't know if you guys know that but they're not always so now. They're back on the original route insanely behind schedule. They're back on the original route good work. That's amazing. Tensions ran high between members of the Party. The read family teamster and the graves family teamster got into an argument as their wagons became tangled together. Well that'll get them. untangled read tried to make peace doing the men and pulled out his knife to cut the tangled ropes on the wagons one of the teamsters curse at read and hit read on the head with his whip handle repeatedly giving read a wide wide deep cuts on his face wake he whipped him. He hit the handled pistol whip. I'm familiar with a hit him with the handle the whipping we're panel like that'd be demeaning beating. Did you not respect affect me but my whip you little bitch. This isn't looking Chand. Get hurt not much but it's really are out the I hi it's volleyball's. You deserve the other end. Stab me like a man baby so then that was happening so Reid's wife rushed into help. Oh that's GONNA help his case. Leave my husband alone. I'M GONNA beat him further with the but Louis hitter yeah so then the teamster step toward the wife and read thought the teamster was going to attack his wife so he's in whip cussed by the yeah not sure what's going on so he stabbed the teamster in the chest Jesus Christ simpler places to start with that move the teamster bled it out pretty quick and died all the guy who was just hitting a guy in the face with the handle of okay demeaning meaning we look we all have weird favorites teamster to was my hero. Even though it was self defense many in the party turned against read but it wasn't really self defense it was like it was Kinda. High Enough Defense Sorta he'd been beaten with the Butt of a whip so it was a little woozy but then he was like don't touch her because the fuck you I was going to hug her. I people didn't like the reads because they were wealthy and start out with a ton of supplies and animals plus read was stubborn and arrogant so the group met and discussed it some wanted to read to the law wants to reach California. Okay others wanted months away. Yeah others others wanted immediate. Justice Lewis hated him in no read one Lewis hated him and wanted him Hong immediately in front of his friends and family income on. I let it be horrible dollars. Should we do it. We should do it in front of his friends and Family Sapa this dinner and then we'll make them eat them Goulash. That'll teach them one of the parties that Lewis began to quote convert a wagon tongue into makeshift gallows almost immediate weight so says some other German German psycho patches. Here's like a bit of that. I'll make a gallows. No we haven't signed off on anything just yet hang God worry. I made an iron maiden Aden got a whole setup over here didn't take too long either so it was pretty quick sweet how long before we go just I just think that would drain all his blood of this and then we feed our. I'm not sure I made a lot of stuff. There's a lot of options so many options we could do them. All we do one. I don't know let's there's make a day of it. That's what I'd say in front of his friends and family. They have to beat out for that pot. I want to see the look and his daughters is hot. Autism is open. Don't show them what I've done. A PA fuck with me instead they decided to banish Reed and they allow them to have a single single horse and that was it the gallows guys like I mean okay. What do I I said Yeah give them a horse? Good call who needs to severance package most saw this as a death sentence but read just road nonstop until he caught up with the donners who the two days ahead. What are you doing shits five back there? Let's tussle up hustle up on with you they send it to race and we need to beat them. The magic catching up with the Donner party being like few. I'm home again so read another man from the Donner Party road ahead to Sutter's there's Ford with a letter asking for team of oxen and supplies to survive until California on October seventh. Someone noticed the the Belgian man hard coupe was blessed gap doesn't help his name in either was missing. I mean I'm not gonna I pretty much forgotten about heart group so he's been missing for me for quite a while. Now he was in Lewis as wagon and Lewis said he had no idea where he was you. All BENJI named Belgian named hard goop just walking around lost so someone backtracked several miles and found around hard coop on the side of the trail. I it all halo going. His feet. Were bloody race so we'll get a bleeding so swollen. They were split open. It's they've got a real kind of a BIF- affiliated quality. Now he said Lewis had kicked him out of his wagon to lighten the load and left him on the side of the road days before all right. Now I like argue now poor little argue with his penguin feet and flapping out about their he's set just stay here but I will so get over here here so it's your feet they really are. It's like watching block so he brings them back to the group but no family would take our coop in their wagon had so they just left him again. Yes we sure did Hargopal. Fortunately yes assets so I know I remember when I found you. You were very dehydrated. Were stationed this yes and I oh I can't wait once again to have a Belgian pen. They let well the whole awful hold on their hardware. Let me let me do some of the awful I just. I'm so crazy I don't I underst- I I mix up pancakes and of course yes yes yes. I've ever really needed jump in right here right now of course park no no no no no and by the way that would be called a hard group Hug and no and let me tell you I think you're fantastic and I love everything about what's going on in the New Year. I think your feeder tastic. I really do going to scub- don't point them near me. What I'm trying to say is that unfortunately after pitching some of the families about taking their wagon? Unfortunately there's just no takers so we're going to have to twenty wagons. It would would appear to be so but again I mean I can't I can't I can't jammie into one of them. I can't let's just not my role here. My hands are tied. I can't do oh anything so sadly. This is kind of a second goodbye. Why yeah why wow well just because well? I don't like the attitude shift fucking Shit asses come back from me argues targeting argue. I'm I'm not gonNA end onto sour note with you because you're a bunch of fucking should ask is fucking dying each other fucking well well well. Someone's English is coming along suddenly okay okay all right all right way tried and I was very nice to you and here take these grains. I'm rubbing my foot. Dust you leave her alone. That's ADA. She's so much better than that Petra Tilda report so he just died out in the middle of nowhere just died out in the middle of nowhere. They're like okay bye. Hey we can catch Ya apo- you can now die further from those spot urine before which I think is really Nice for you on October fourteenth. Thank Mrs Whoa fingers husband was missing okay. Everyone assumed Lewis killed him for his money if so as busy Louis what I didn't you another fucking Guy I am ninety percent I did not.
"donner party" Discussed on The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
"So to get people to go to California hastings made the trip sound super easy but we just ran into this and another one so what is just like Oh. You'RE GONNA love it it. Could it be easier. It's like taking a sledge downhill. It'll be fun and just like people die and you're like what am I a liar. I'm I'm sorry everyone died I really I will. I don't care about the feelings of others he wrote. A book called the Immigrants Guide to Oregon and California Nia was full of absolute bullshit for example. He claimed that travelers would not have to worry about native Americans because quote the desolating ravages of Intertribal war have been the chief causes of now abandoned villages which are covered in human skulls. Wait that's to make people feel better. The real burst does not want to make you go there. No don't mind the skulls it's just black US don't pathway ask and and the Wilderness Committee of that these tribes are such that upon the appearance of white persons at their villages all of the males both old and young immediately flee in the utmost confusion super we're running into each other at an an an an an in name to the surrounding hills and mountains while all females remain and commence of the most doleful moaning and crying in this season's great late so the idea is that that if you're white and you walk into that area the man I don't know what to do and just run around like Benny Hill and the women fall down and start crying. Yes sure that sounds that's pretty logical. Yeah who needs motivated actions so a lot of pioneers were into Hastings Book Including The reeds and Donners Jacob Donner past his copy around to Evanson the group and he would discuss it often one one big lie in the book was about the Hastings Cutoff which is supposed to be a shortcut that hastings had discovered by looking at a map now is that how one finds the shortcut that's right north away so they missed a thing here. Knock real close there Arthur. There's that thing look I can make my finger do this. That'll be easy on foot. Basically the same trip just with feet vit that was easy. Shortcut was actually one hundred twenty five five miles longer longer than the usual route. It's weird shortcut shore. It's not your traditional Shoka and hastings that I've never travelled it okay well. I'm starting to I mean I kinda forgive him now a little bit they really was just like you go that way. Fuck up getting there later now while they were there read ran into an old friend who was a season mountain man and guide all over the West but that's pretty lucky yep and he said that hastings book was fucking bullshit and Hastings these things was a scammer and he'd met him and he had no idea how difficult the journey was and he told read absolutely do not take the hastings cutoff now Dave. Why don't we just go to the next sentence where you tell me that they took the hastings? Has that sound who needs it experienced mountain man when some guy was like you go there you you don't need a guide. I found a piece of paper a guide. What do you need a guide for? He's got knowledge. Take this paper so the men of the parties spoke all night with the experience guide and some tickets warnings and kept going on proven route but others like the reeds donners did did not quote told me to take the regular wagon track and never leave it told them of the great desert and the roughness of the Sierras but he quickly we responded. There's a higher route and it is of no use to take such a roundabout course oh man okay. It's going to be fine yeah with the little knowledge I have. I know it will be fine so the party split up one party on the original route while reading the others including the Casper follow the hastings cutoff. This group was officially now called the Donner Party enjoy joyer. Enjoy your fingers ways. They're serving fingers tonight. I believe you for way too long at the sweetwater river in Wyoming the Donner party was given a letter from hastings good news I found an even shorter out there at Fort Bridgier and it warned of going to Fort Bridgier warned of pop possible Mexican attacks ax and said if if they met him at bridge or he would personally lead them on the hastings cutoff across the desert and mountains okay. That's nice. It's nice but it's total total bullshit in some way for sure they arrived at Fort Bridger on July. Twenty seventh hastings just left to join in another party dammit what they were what they were told was a lot of previous travelers at Fort Bridgier at left letters to warn other emigrants to did not go on the hastings cutoff where the letters but the owners of the Fort didn't want to lose any business so they hit the letters. Oh my God well Ahmad. That's GonNa Affect the cafe business a lot all them letters that say don't go this way. I just ordered a case a coke welcome to survivors cafe so the Donner Party was now seventy four people Jesus Christ east at Weber Weaver Whatever and Utah on August six they found a message from hastings on a stick aw you gotta feel good about that they like cow's worried for a minute but then we got to stick note. Give me a minute. I'm avid twig read. I'm happy with what's happening over here. Good News. There's a letter on a stick. We've got another branch book yeah it. It said the Canyon was impassable and drew a new route over the mountain weight. Okay so if you're going from book to you note on a stick not as good. You're like Oh wait sorry. There's been an update. Thank God we found this note. Stick otherwise we would've been fucked. He also said to send someone to catch up with him so he could show them. The alternative route read into Med went ahead and caught up with hastings okay and then he talked hastings into writing back to the Donner camp sure to talk to these people but hastings stings a little ways out had second thoughts and said he felt really bad about a banning the other group he was leading so he just showed read the route. I guess on the ground that's good. That'll that works. It's just like drawing up a we're in there and you're fine. You're this and then you just keep going. You'll figure it out. Just just keep going down but the route was so vague. That read just ended up picking his own trail well. That's not good right now. It was fine now okay. Why actually no it not to be fine well? You don't know that I'll be lies. What if everybody you? It's all fine now while they were waiting now while they're waiting even more people join the Donner Party was now eighty seven people. She's Christ now. They all headed out on reads path summer day no that he's he's just sort of like Improv path now. I don't think providers I think he came back and said it's this way so he's just like a really good talk with Eh. It's fine. It's right over here. Let's go this way summer's now over. That's a good sign. One young traveller dried up indict of consumption. Lewis's wife gave birth to a baby boy. That's a good time he was named Luis Junior. It took them three weeks to reach Salt Lake instead of the couple of days that hastings had promised him that's good so today's three weeks sure water the water there was undrinkable undrinkable so they had to gather water and grasp before heading into the desert which delayed the more okay hastings said the desert was about forty miles wide. He said the desert was forty forty miles wide okay eighty miles white okay within two days. The Cattle Ellen Horses started dying. They couldn't pull the wagon some broke free and ran off. Those are the the by the way it feels like that's the last good moment of the episode episode. Just general vibe goes like this. The last time we feel happiness for those cows go go yeah learn and be free without their horses. The read family had to abandon most of their wagons and they had to carry what they could now walking through the desert so I we at the point where you're like that hitching son of a bitch point civil pitch. No this is great. This is really close. Short cut super short really close off the Casper gues also had to abandon a wagon each wants across the Salt Lake Valley they took inventory and found they didn't have the supplies to make it to California -fornia well. That's a problem so they sent to mend ahead. Get help from Sutter's fort in Sacramento where they found own gold here you go. You probably expected bigger applause on that. You were like this is a beer time. No I think all of these people are bored et Cetera for they all went there. It probably went on like three field trips there as a kid and they're like okay Agai- gold okay good gold easy my dear what you say fuck someone John Sutter Johnson fucking we'll get to that later. That's a that's a different episode but let's just put it and I think John Sutter worse than Larry.
"donner party" Discussed on Survival
"Died penniless and friendless in eighteen ninety five live the last survivor of the Donner party Isabel Breen died on March twenty fifth nineteen eighteen thirty five at the age of eighty nine. She was one year old when their parents took her across the Sierra Nevada Mountains Lansford transferred hastings the man who set the Donner Party on the path to failure and was arguably the reason for their horrible fate remained involved with their lives in the years that followed he worked with James Reid and donate to orphanages the donner children stayed at but never expressed any remorse the misleading information he put in the emigrant's guide the California and Oregon in fact his penchant for poorly thought out plans continued throughout the rest of his life during the civil war hastings served as a major in the confederate army after their defeat he set out to to found a confederate colony Brazil with the aim of writing the emigrant's guide to Brazil. He died on route today. The Donner Party is remembered as one of the most infamous disasters in the era of Western migration too many who grow up in California the name Donner is synonymous with starvation cold and cannibalism and even if you've never heard of them their name now adorns the very land killed almost half their group the lake were were. They wasted away with nothing but hope to keep them going now. Bears the name of its survivors and the gap between the mountains were so many of them perished from hunger and hypothermia is now known as Donner Pass..
"donner party" Discussed on Survival
"The same time the other leader of the group. James Reid was suffering far worse. He became almost completely snow blind one day into the blizzard. The party were effectively stuck and almost completely out of food on March seventh. The snowfall stopped read having recovered covered. Most of his site proposed. They forage forward but the party had suffered immensely over the three days during the chaos of the storm storm. Elizabeth Graves starved to death. Never learning that her children. Maryanne and Sarah were waiting for her on the other side of the mountains she was joined in death by two five year olds her son Franklin Graves Junior and Isaac Donner the son none of Jacob and Elizabeth Donner out of options Reed and mccutchen abandoned everyone who was too weak to go on the only survivors who could join them were reads to young children the Group of four had to continue on they didn't WanNa give up and starve arve when they could bring more supplies back the whole that they left the brains and graves in would later be known as starved served Camp Patrick Breen watched them. Go praying that another rescue party would pass them soon. He huddled with his family with with no food save for the three bodies of their friends lying on the outside of the snow pit as has read left the eleven survivors in the mountains. Tamsin Donner received terrifying news backed by Alder Creek Elizabeth Donner had died. I two days earlier in two of the men who had agreed to look after her family. Charles Stone and Charles Katie were planning on heading back west on on their own fearing they would be abandoned. Tamsin promised to pay the men to take her three remaining daughters over the mountains. The the men agreed taking the six year old Francis four year old Georgia and three-year-old away with them however by the time they reached the lake camp. They realized they could not carry the three children through such thick snow so they deposited the donner girls in the Murphy earthy cabin. There were four living individuals in the Murphy Cabin at the time Levine Murphy her eight year old son Simon her one one year old grandson George foster and the increasingly wild Lewis Keys Berg despite reads attempt to nurse him back to health <music> keys Berg had grown distant after being abandoned by his wife and surviving daughter sometime after March eighth keys Berg took the child titled George Foster into bed with him extensively to keep the child warm the next morning George was dead Lavina in a Murphy accused keys Berg of killing the Child Keys Berg did not respond to these accusations but merely laid the baby's body not on the floor of the cabin and returned to bed sometime later the donner girls saw keys burke walk over to George Foster's body <music> pick him up and hang on a peg like a cut of meat back at starved Camp Camp Patrick Breen had given up all hope lying at the bottom of the hole in the ground staring up into space his wife Margaret kept their children alive on pitifully small doses of T. heated over the fire and Sweden's with the one lump of sugar she had have left but this barely took the edge off the ravenous hunger consuming the eleven survivors one night. She woke Patrick in a panic saying that her baby was dying. Patrick Breen replied. Let Him die. He will be better off than any of us. Shortly after Charles Stone and Charles Katie passed by on their way back from the lake camp seeing the three bodies in the snow. Oh they looked into the whole making eye contact with the emaciated survivors and soldiered on unable to help at some point went after they left desperate for any kind of sustenance. Mary Donner suggested that they start eating the dead days later on the afternoon of March twelfth. The third relief arrived at starved camp. This party was led by William Eddie and William Foster to surviving men of the forlorn hope they were both motivated by the same urge back to find their youngest sons what they found at starved camp was horrific by the whole in the snow was the butchered body of Elizabeth Graves and a pile of child sized bones that had once been Franklin Graves Junior. The third relief were faced with a problem Mary Donner and the graves children were strong enough to continue with the Breen's. Were too weak to make get through the mountains without help carrying them. The whole way back would mean splitting their party up leaving only a few to go ahead to the lake camp. They took a vote on whether to leave the brains behind all but one voted to leave the Breen's. The outlying vote was from a man named John Stark the next morning the party Split Eddie Foster and two others continued going East you want another two men took Mary Donner and the infant Elizabeth Graves John Stark took charge of the remaining graves children and all the breen's the children took turns writing on his back on March Thirteenth William Eddie and William Foster arrived arrived at truckee lake several weeks after they had left it they made for the murphy cabin where Reid had told them their children lived their two sons. Were nowhere to be seen. They only found Levine Murphy her son. The three youngest donner girls and Louis Keys Berg Eddie Confronted Keys Berg demanding to know what became of their sons keys Berg told him the two boys had died and been eaten Eddie was infuriated. He almost killed keys. Berg on the spot. He stopped stopped himself reasoning that he would not kill a starved man on a rescue mission instead. He promised to kill him if they ever met again in California foster and eddy left the cabin where they encountered tamsin donner stumbling through the woods she had come from their camp looking for her children. Eddy in foster escorted her to the Murphy cabin allowing her a brief reunion with her three young girls. Tamsin was overjoyed. They were still alive and insisted they go with the rescue. Group uh-huh Eddy in foster attempted to persuade Thompson to come with him but Thompson insisted that she be allowed to take one last visit to the alder a creek camp to save George Donner was still alive. Eddy in foster could not wait their group left immediately leaving Tam Samson behind she began the arduous trudge back to Alder Creek where her husband still stubbornly clung to life by this point his arm was completely rotten with gangrene and he was barely conscious he to insisted tamsin go with the rescuers skewers but she would not let him die alone. Only four members of the Donner Party remained in the two camps George Donner remained in their tent by Alder Creek in a cabin by the lake one man and one woman remained remained who were too weak to travel the starved Levine Murphy and an increasingly desperate Louis Keys Berg when we return these four final members of the Donner Party reach a gruesome end now the conclusion solution to the story by mid March eighteen forty seven the horrors of the Donner party were almost just at an end three arduous rescue expeditions had attempted to bring the encamped survivors across the Sierra Nevada due to continuing continuing harsh weather and the bare minimum of supplies. Many of the survivors had died during transit and even more died by the lake while they're rescued family members were taken to safety by the time William Eddie and William Foster caught up with the remainder of the third relief leave. There were only a few stragglers left at the camp as far as they knew George and Tamsin Donner remained by Alder Creek and Lavina Murphy was living by Truckee Lake. With Louis Keys Berg Eddy in foster encountered a camp on the other side of the mountains accompany led by Salem Woodworth Eddie told Woodworth. There were four people who still needed to be rescued but the man refused is to go back for them. His priority was to transport those who had already been rescued to Johnson's ranch the first settlement on the west side out of the Sierra Nevada's when the survivors gathered at the ranch. They took stock of their situation. Most families were in tatters ragged and diminished incredibly both the Breen and the read families were completely intact though they still required weeks weeks to fully recover from their starved state the reeds were the only members of the party who had not cannibalized their fellow members to survive on April thirteenth a fourth and final relief. If party set out east toward Truckee Lake led by William Grow Fallon and experienced mountain man the only member of the Donner party to go back with them was William Foster who wanted to see if Levine Murphy his mother-in-law was still alive.
"donner party" Discussed on Survival
"It felt like the cold would never end. Elisa Williams uh-huh trudged through the snow legs aching with each step the twenty five year old woman had come on the journey west with the read family as their cook her brother and Albino man named bayless had been working as a handyman for the reads as well it was good employment and the two of them had looked forward to a bright future in California but once they arrived in truckee river valley. Everything went horribly wrong. The entire Party became became snowed in with supplies diminishing rapidly at first bayless and Eliza took care of the children but only a month after getting caught in the valley bayless died of fever. He was the first to perish at the Lake Camp as rations thinned. Elisa found her own position. Even more tenuous having their own cook had once been a luxury reads could afford but now that food food such a scarce resource. She was merely another mouth to feed. She had to fend for herself. When Elisa Elisa finally reached the breen family's cabin she pleaded with the occupants to give her a bit of beef. She couldn't stomach the scraps of ox hide. Mrs Graves Graves had given her she received sympathy but nothing else Patrick Breen's diary noted simply. Elisa will not eat it hides. Mrs Read sent her back to live or die on them. Welcome to survival apar- cast original. I'm your host Irma. Blanco and I'm Tim Johnson every Monday. We'll take view inside incredible true stories of life or death situations you can find episodes of survival and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream survival for free on spotify just open the APP and type survival in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help this is our third and final episode on the Donner Party a group over eighty would be settlers who became trapped on their way to the largely unclaimed territory of California this tweak we'll follow the remaining survivors to the end of their journey.
"donner party" Discussed on Survival
"Fourteen year old. Mary murphy perfect would later right. He suffered more than tongue can tell foster was wracked with guilt pike had been his brother-in-law uh he fell into a solemn silence for the rest of the journey unable to find more volunteers for a supply run or unwilling to spend all the time george donner insisted they go on with the supplies they had they moved camp and made their way toward the truckee river canyon hoping they could beat the snow by the time they arrived at truckee river canyon in late october eighteen forty six the donner party had split into three beat distinct groups the lead group with the brain family the keys burg's and the eddie's the middle group with margaret reid and her children the graves family only charles stanton luis and salvador and the third group consisting only of the donner family trailing far behind george george donner stayed to the rear of the train so their cattle wouldn't get run down by any of the other wagons he was also deeply concerned about wagons having difficulty on the upcoming slopes in wanted to make sure he could provide assistance for any that fell behind as far as george donner was concerned their a journey was still salvageable as long as they could pass the sierras before winter they would be able to reach their destination but as the donners has descended into the nearby dog valley another unanticipated disaster struck as they guided their horses and oxen into the canyon. One of the donner wagons overturned trapping two of the children in the wreckage for your old georgia and three year old elisa aisa fortunately neither was seriously injured but the accident presented another issue to the donors. The axle of this wagon had broken in a needed repairs now having completely lost sight of the rest of their party george donner and his brother jacob said about fashioning a replacement assessment axel from a nearby pine log george held the log while jacob hacked away at it with a chisel justice. Jacob was putting the finishing in touch is on it. The chisel slipped cutting a deep gash across the back of george donner's hand as his family washed and dressed his wound wound. George quipped that he had greater concerns than cuts and bruises despite his flippant tone his concern was growing. They couldn't waste time on such a minor inconvenience when they were so far behind the rest of their party at that same moment around five miles south west. The remainder of the donner party was pushing to escape the valley the other fifty nine members of the party were camped out by truckee lake. They hit awakened to an inch of snow and panicked realizing that winter was not far off without the leadership of george donner. The group decided to take a chance and try to summit the sierra nevada. They turned charles stanton for guidance as he was the only one who knew the way the to me walks who accompanied stanton luis and salvador also knew the mountains but they couldn't speak much english on november second and the party made their way to the far side of the lake and attempted to summit though it was still only fall the rocks were already slick with snow snow and ice iron rimmed wagon wheels couldn't gain any traction on the rock and they began to slide backwards on the steep incline the the drivers beat at the hawks and mercilessly to force progress but the wagons could only move forward mere feet at a time though stanton and the milwaukee could scout ahead good ways up the mountain on foot. The waggons lagged far behind them by this point. Everyone had stepped out of their wagons in an attempt to lighten the load for their exhausted animals. Some men even attempted to push their own wagons hoping that would be just the encouragement. The oxygen needed to make real progress. Almost all of the women carry their children adding to their exhaustion stanton stanton returned from scouting ahead to find the party had come to a complete standstill dark storm clouds gathered overhead some of the men lit a nearby pitch pine on fire and everyone gathered around it for warmth stanton attempted to persuade the family to press on and but night was drawing in fast the men and women were tired instead of setting up camp many simply put buffalo skins and blankets blankets on the ground laying down to sleep by the burning pine on the morning of november lake.
"donner party" Discussed on Last Podcast on the Left
"A little. No rim would be on door. Oh, I was supposed to be a forty mile stretch taken only five days. Okay, but it was actually closer to a hundred and ended up taking over two weeks. Big difference there. Yeah. Yes. The oxen and cattle died from thirst. While others just took off and search water. Numerous wagons had to be abandoned in the thick desert gunk mud that was created when water rose to the surface during the daytime. Needless to say the Donner party's spent their entire time in the desert terrified miserable, and near death by accounts. Every one was caked with urine in feces while the women stink of stale minstrel blood and yeast infections, their faces were burnt and read, and their lips were split and bleeding by the time, the Donners rejoined the established trail since leaving it at the parting of ways. It had been sixty eight days those who had stayed on the tried and true organ trail. They had reached the same point in thirty seven days. Punch myself in the face. Jackass path and to make matters worse. It was later discovered that the shortcut instead of being three hundred fifty miles shorter was actually a hundred and twenty five miles a longer. No, no. When I said shortcut emit shortcut in the way that you're going to die younger, like that kind of short. Understood. I should've clarified yet. The original train that they'd been a part of had passed that point a month before. Oh, my God. Yeah. Needless to say, tensions were running high. She's specifically towards James read, I know really understand why everybody's mad at me concerned. We should be mad at the desert. It's really the desert's problem, right? Honestly, we chose to do this. I, the human brain is what I blame is this even for having ideas. I blame ideas..
"donner party" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Number one the donner party ended up getting stuck in the sierra nevada's mainly for two reasons they left a month later than they should have and they took the hastings cutoff was turned out to be the opposite of shortcut hastings route alone cosimo at least eighteen days number two bad luck regarding whether also doomed the donners there was a total of ten major storm periods during the winter of eighteen forty six eighteen forty seven beginning on october sixteenth eighteen forty six ending in early april eighteen forty seven and they create over twenty feet of snow number three james reid was able to help organize rescue parties to save his family because he made it to sutter's fort because he stabbed dude who whipped him proving that sometimes it does pay to stab somebody number four of the eighty seven members of the donner party only forty eight survived to reach the en route end of the journey skewed me in california many of them you know had to eat the dead to survive number five new info future president abraham lincoln damn near ended up in the donner party i'm serious while working as a lawyer in springfield illinois abraham lincoln continued his friendship with james reid we talked about how they met years before when they were mess mates in the black hawk war well when reads businesses began to fail due to a national economic downturn lincoln council his friend and just before the wagon caravan departed for the west lincoln helped read through bankruptcy proceedings helped him a stash enough money you know stash of cash away that he was able to purchase land in california and many years after the donner party tragedy one of reid's daughter's revealed that abraham lincoln seriously considered joining the caravan but in the end didn't go due to opposition from his wife instead he entered politics kind of worked out for him away the donner party sucked and i just realized that politics kind of worked out but didn't work out revealing because he was fascinated so i guess yeah some bitchy was doomed to probably either star or get shot but yeah the donner party man a better getting sucked get ya thanks they think about you know them think about the donner party whenever you have a bad travel experience going forward you know maybe it's not going well but is it going donner party bad have you had to eat fellow traveler no then it could be a lot worse big thanks the time so team harmony village camp jesse donor reverend dr joe yes jona josh more on that down the road all give joe property deduction thanks to alex do get the bill looks for team danger brain eric radical queen of the suck lindsey comments enjoy that danger brain chica tila summer gap merch a hope you really like it again it's limited edition when it's gone it's gone huge thanks to og bojangles research team members lily twins pointed me.
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"He then went on to spend the rest of his life almost getting lynched by angry mobs of parents of kids he eight and credits at one last observation he had a cauldron like a fitness carryon i was a kid tested daughter approve are you can if you had to summarize what you've learned in one sentence what would that sentence be uh you you can eat a baby like an apple apparently but uh it's best to go stem down like a bow seat device according to our precept you now know as much about eating people as is possible without adding a horn losing an eye on flying so are you ready to face the panel i'm ready okay heath as you may have heard they are actually making a movie about the donor party oh i had not heard this that is because i made it up everything on thing for our show good premise what thank you what is the upcoming title for the donner party movie is the oregon and trail the silence of the sam city the sequel cannibal they very proud of this one garrison hope you're listening the nod father um i'm going to say a the oregon and trail that is correct or not all right heat so much attention is given to the donner party being cannibals that everyone neglects the humans were only part of a balance breakfast side this was the most truckee leg hey raisin brad b rig tony to see johnny cake with clara fried butter.