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Introducing Conviction

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Introducing Conviction

"This is proud to you by the all new Toyota RAV four if you think, you know, row four think again underneath route four is rugged good. Looks are capabilities that expand the potential of where you can go on or off road. The all new route four comes to their vailable features like dynamic torque factoring, all wheel drive, which delivers superior handling and control and multi terrain select which offers traction on various terrain get to know the all new route four for yourself. Visit Toyota dot com slash Ravello. Four for more details that's Toyota dot com slash route four. This sort of conviction is brought to you by HBO's true. Detective the third season stars Academy Award winner. Mahershala Ali in an all new case set in Arkansas when two children go missing a pair of detectives try to solve the case. The investigation takes place over three different time periods and drives them to the edge. You can watch season. Three of true detective now Sundays at nine pm on all platforms on air streaming and on demand. Learn more about the characters and see exclusive behind the scenes footage at HBO dot com slash chew. Detective that's HBO dot com slash shoe detective. Hey, everyone. This is Alex. We do have an episode of reply all coming out later this week. But today, we are very excited to share with you and episode of a new Gimblett series that's called conviction. So conviction is a true crime story, which is reported by a very talented journalist named sake can affo- and it's about a private investigator who is trying to exonerate a teenager accused of shooting but pretty much right away. It just becomes so much more complicated than that the story plays out over seven episodes and the whole series is available right now wherever you get your podcast. So enjoy this episode of conviction, and we'll see you on Thursday. Can you tell me what's your name? You kidding me? This guy kidding me. Breaking my balls away. Seriously. Well. Just a mess. I'm like, I'm introducing you did. Yeah. No, we know each other. But for people who don't know what's your name. I'm private investigator manual Gomez. What do you do? I hunt down bad guys approved people innocent I bring in rapists, murderers, and serial killers. So you've said this before rapists murderers in Syracuse. But that's not really what you're known for. Right. Mostly now lately, I've been known for getting innocent people out of jail proving a medicine. A see myself as a as a punishment for the week it and see myself as a bringer of Justice for the good and protect the week. Manny Gomez private eye lives alone in small apartment in a quiet part of the Brahms. He's got this watch. That's really a camera, and he has a pen. That's really a knife. He says his favourite book is the bible, but the one he talks about most often is the art of war. I met Manny more than two years ago. I'm a reporter, and I was covering criminal Justice. And he said he had a stroke from me story that would expose just how crooked and broken. The Justice system is in the Bronx. This story. It was a detective story with some of the usual trappings of detective stories a shooting a suspect. A cop who bends the rules mysterious set of circumstances? And in the middle of it, all Manny, Gomez, brash PI who turned out to be something of a mystery himself. In his mind. He was the hero of the story. But a lot of people saw him as villain, and as I followed him on his investigation through the neighborhoods and the courtrooms of the Bronx. I often wondered which version was true. Took me more than two years. Two years of interviews of tracking down documents digging through the pile of lawsuits that people in the story filed against each other. But I think I've finally got an answer. From media. I'm sake can affo- and this is conviction. A lot of detective stories start with the blonde manny's happens to be one of them. I'll never forget this. I'm walking out the court building, and is blonde Spanish mother curly hair long curly at comes over to me and says I've been looking for you. You're that guy. She goes my son needs your help. We're being harassed and tormented by the forty second precent. And I was told that you're the man to get it done. The blonde was Jessica Perez should come to many asking for help with her son. Pedro who is sixteen years old at the time. She said the police were targeting him for crimes he didn't commit. I said I need you to please gather anything you can. So they can stop harassing my son. I don't know what else to do any help when I met Jessica at her part men. She told me the story. She said patriots troubles with the law. The troubles that brought her to Manny started all the way back in two thousand ten. At that time, the South Bronx was one of the most heavily police communities in the history of the country, New York cops with teeny stopped and searched people on the street, and the vast majority of the stops took place in low income black and the Tino neighborhoods like the one Jessica Lipton. A survey taken not far from Jessica's home found that three out of every four people said they'd been stopped at the cops. And those stops could get aggressive. Young men would often get thrown up against walls force down to the ground. People who are stopped run. This time often described the experience as scary and humiliating. Jessica was worried about her son. Pedro who's about to become a teenager? He was getting taller he'd grown his hair out into long braids. And she said she felt like those things made the cops more likely to stop. She also said it wasn't the kind of kid who just went along with things that seemed unfair. He talked back. Pedro was more of a. What's the word in in in Spanish, recall them, corn noon? I don't know what you call it in English. Yes. Something like that. He got boys may the type of kids that I don't care less scare. I'm not gonna let them search me. Why they gotta be searching me whenever they feel like it or I'm doing this going to the grocery store days that just says that his patriot got further into his teens. He got stopped more and more. It seemed like any time something went wrong in the neighborhood. He got picked up I first shooting than another shooting than a robbery it was arrested six times and just two years. But patriots says he was innocent. And the prosecutors kept dropping the charges suggesting that the cops hadn't found enough evidence. Patriots says that only seem to make the harassment worse. Five comes into this is Pedro they most Saint small one. One just come out all without the guards on your way. It'd be our own you've got guns guns. They searched me. Find nothing demand the call and like Barrington or sun everywhere. I go coach won't find enough. There'd be I'll go to my friend's house. I go to our I'll come right back outside. I think I want to get something in search me again. 'cause like if I had a checkpoint every time I was leaving my house like. Then in July two thousand sixteen page was rested. For yet. Another crime a shooting the thirties said he shot a fifteen year old boy in the foot during a fight in his neighborhood. It was arrested and charged with tempted murder again page of said, he didn't do it. Nevertheless, he was thrown in jail on Rikers islet. The next month. Patriots bail hearing a prosecutor stood before a judge in the Bronx courthouse and asked the judge his head of very high bail. Noted that page. Oh, had been arrested many times before he claimed that Pedro was a gang member that he was quote out on the streets and had no fear. Patriots court appointed lawyer tried to push back on those claims he pointed out that the cops had history of arresting Pige. Oh for charges that ended up getting dropped. And he asked the judge to at least consider giving Pedro a bail that his family could afford. So that Pedro wouldn't be stuck in jail while waiting for the trial await the collasped months or even years. Instead, the judge went with the prosecutor and said the bail had a quarter million dollars an enormous sum even for someone accused of violent crime. Some that Jessica can never hope to pay. On our next visit to Pedro, Jessica drove across a long narrow bridge that stretches to record silent a bridge some inmates. Call the bridge of pain. She says she had a steady herself for the task ahead of her. She didn't look forward to telling her son that she had no hope of bringing him home a person in the state of mine of Rikers island is ready devastating is ready bad. They know they locked up. They know they can come out. That's a normal, man. Rikers island a child. In the hands of right design makes it even worse. So when I told you how to become coldhearted that I face it. It was in being a bad mother. But I had to leave my feelings. In my car, right before crossing that bridge cry cry cry cry. Because I knew if I cross the bridge in went to visit to tell him he had to stay there because his Bill was too high. And we couldn't get him out. It will made him worse. Either him via bad. It may be hurt. Somebody else or him hurt himself. That was the day that he first told me. This is making me feel like I wanna die. And that was the day that I came home, and I had two options. Half the same feelings with him. He wants to die. I wanna die to or get mad about it into something about she decided to do something about it. What they're meant for Jessica. But then meant for a growing number of families in similar situations throughout the Brock's summoning certain private detective, I believe this. I. Because it was too freaking outrageous. It was too out there. But the one thing you have to do as an investigator is eliminate all the variables and whatever's left no matter how -rageous from how crazy how ludicrous in my scene. That's the truth. The South Bronx where Jessica lived Manny was becoming something of a folk hero, complete with nickname, the Spanish shaft, assumed Blanco. He taken on a bunch of cases, similar Pedro's cases. Where people have been accused of crimes they said, they didn't commit and it helped him get out of jail. Get the charges dropped. For a lot of people. Manny seemed to be a solution to a big problem. A problem. That's especially big in New York. The state is one of four in the country was something called a blindfold law, which means defense attorneys have very limited access to the prosecution's evidence in pages case the paperwork that the prosecutors turned over contained only the most basic information it said that there was a shooting in which a fifteen year old got hit in the ankle. And it said that quote one or more witness or witnesses and picked page out of a photo array as the shooter. But then reveal who those witnesses were who what they claim to have seen or how many of them there were was it one person to dozens it didn't say prosecutors argue there's a good reason why they keep a lot of information from the defense. They say they have to do that to protect witnesses from retaliation. But a lot of defense attorneys say. That makes it almost impossible for them to defend their clients that you do get as heavily with acted to the point that many times, it's unintelligible. This is Marty Goldberg a lawyer with thirty years experience as both a defense attorney and prosecutor in the Bronx, he didn't represent Pedro. But he's represented a lot of kids in patriots situation kids who've been arrested and thrown in jail with very little information about their alleged crimes. You get discovery. So heavily redacted that okay? It's missing the name. Right. She don't know who said it used to give you vamp. It'll say, you know, I did you'd blank on such and such day at blank address blank pulled me that blank said the him that blank blank and blank with the gather. When Blake said to that's that's what you have a fuck. Do you make any sense out of that? This is where Mannie comes in many prides himself getting information that lawyers can't get and that's what page needed information. The prosecutors weren't going to give. To him the law wouldn't help him get it from them and his attorney couldn't seem to get either. But Manny, maybe he could. Can you describe where we are right now? Well, Boston vote in the heart of the southbound on east one hundred sixty ninth street, and one of the first things he did when he took the case was go to the crime scene. You later showed me, and my producer may where it all went down. Actually matter of fact, you are at the actual spot where the shooting happened which one hundred sixty ninth street between Clinton and Boston world, and this is the shooting that patriots actually deal for shooting that page ios in jail for your Indians. Zach location. You know, the shooting the one that got patriot thrown into Rikers took place on the evening of September. First two thousand fifteen according to the official account to rival crews of kids were fighting outside a supermarket when one of the kids began firing a gun into the crowd as the crowd, scattered a bullet hit a kit in back of the ankle for months, the case remained unsolved. But then nearly a year after the shooting Hagia was arrested and charged as the shooter. Manny wanted to find out more about the shooting. And he knew he was going to learn anything else about it from the prosecutors. So we started walking the streets to the crime scene talking to people joking around with him. You wanted to get them to open up. So that it could find out what they knew about the crime. I went to the playgrounds. I went to the libraries. I went to the schools. I went to the the social corners was people gather near day where the music was I would always go around those spots. I would drive around listen cruise around tap down. And look what spots where people hanging out after months of looking man got a break today is Tempus seventeen two thousand sixteen Fermi is a direct eye witness that saw shooter and shooting of September first two thousand fifteen send you to Yama saying saying. Okay. This is a video that many recorded from his cell phone. He's taking his statement from one a patriots, neighbors donnas her most. Lordy. Okay. Just the old man in the building doesn't bother him retired. You know what I mean it was coming out back of cigarettes. He had his little groceries, and he described everything to the team to be a suggestion Perreault Hernandez Everton why not? Lot misset Bernabe memento Hermosa knew saying that page wasn't there when the shooting happened? Okay. Blake career the way. Darrow. If you more. The Buttle if well more than what? What he's saying? The shooter didn't even look like Pedro says shooter was black patriots Latino the light Brown complexion. As many continued to canvas the neighborhood. He's spoke with other people who are claiming the same thing. What is your name name Sokol J? Please tell me what happened on September. First two thousand fifteen while I was woken some founds seen Gupta. Kiss on the stream seeing black issue at the crowd. Doc for safety, and then hop will pick with the now when you saw the shooting was Menendez involving shooting. So he wasn't you didn't see him shoot or twenty. Eventually found a third person who said they witnessed the shooting and a run me is missed near the site level that could you say that a little slow. What is it nailed aside? 'bout who toured? This woman tells Manny that on the night of the shooting. She was crossing the street with her baby headed to dak- when she heard a commotion. I seen like a group fighting how many more than five year more five, and they was black guys. You're black. Okay. So then what happened on the flight? So there was fighting and from out of nowhere just in this guy. The group. And then what what happened after that? Not everybody loves shooting. Everybody's running. Have my babies, I just. She too said the shooter didn't look like Pedro. Manny now at four different people who told him that they'd witnessed the shooting that patriot. And do it. Many still needed to talk to one more key person. The person who Pige oh have been accused of shooting. That's coming up after the break. This episode is brought to you by the all new Toyota RAV four if you think, you know, route four think again, the rat for limited comes to impress available. Features like dynamic torque factoring, all wheel drive, which delivered superior handling and control and multi terrain select which offers traction on various terrain, the route four also features cutting edge technology, like first valuable camera based digital rear view mirror. Best of all the route four limited revolutionized designed delivers an elevated driving experience with features like an available panoramic glass roof and eight inch touch screen multimedia display, the more the wrath for limited gives you the confidence to answer any what if in your path and off the path yet to know the all new route for for yourself. Visit Toyota dot com slash rather. For for more details that's Toyota dot com slash route four. This episode of conviction is brought to you by HBO's true detective the anthropology crime series stars Academy Award winner hersal E in an all new case set in Arkansas spanning three time periods. The story begins when two children go missing setting to detectives on a path to crack a case that alludes 'em for decades. Detective Hayes could you tell your time line of events. Nineteen two kids supposed to be home by five thirty never arrive. Bro. Brand Butch missing pieces. Think you did. Deserve to suffer. You can watch season. Three of true detective now on Sundays at nine pm on all platforms on air streaming and on demand. Learn more about the show and get exclusive behind the scenes footage at HBO dot com slash shoot. Detective again, that's HBO dot com slash true. Detective? This episode of conviction is brought to you by Uber rewards, a new rewards program from Uber. Here's how it works. 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Terms for details at Uber dot com slash rewards. The person Manny was looking for the kid. That patriot allegedly shot was named Sean NAR Doni Manny said a witness told him that on the night of the shooting. He'd seen Sean Doni limping down the street headed south. So Manny started canvassing the blocks in that area. Asking if anyone knew where the kid could be found one night. I got a tip on a street that Sean only was I've escape board. In the park in the projects. What group kids is sped to the park in his silver, corvette, convertible, wearing one of his signature double-breasted, suits. So I went out they about Senate clock at night night. It's like eighty degrees at night. I show up listening to fill comments, pumpkin. Phil Collins, and you're gonna go try to speak to a witness or like lists in the air tonight at night top down. You wanna come in like music Laron? You wanna make a press? You don't wanna come in? Like, you know, like some kind of detective if I come in there. Listen to journey some music, they see that all shining crisp and the convertible top kids like, Wow, I've called they're not gonna think detective Collins popular, the Bronx. Nah, it's not. But I gotta make state. But you know, what it turns hits especially that job sequence. So I come in kids turn heads get out the car. Leave the top open woke up says. Little Sean Manny says that as soon as he called out Shawn's name, Sean took off an escape board. Now, many he's got sort of the opposite of runner's body. His built like a save very strong. Let square he sets off and foot after the kit. Got a one FM on his freaking skateboard, three bucks. Sean cop. I'm gonna tech Amita help and supporting dot park where the visibility tough that good. I'm dying blue pinstripes to fricking pink shirt on high standing out like a sore thumb. He finally stops. I told them listen. I know your victim shot hurt you now last time somebody chemo, he talked me. They bested me and beat me up. Put me in a precent this what he shouts. Whoa. Gonna mess up by suit the beach, you up right now your mind told. Well, by the time many drove away in his vet. He'd added another video to his collection in front of me is Mr. who. Okay. And September first two thousand fifteen what were you were Unibox? What happened to you? Doc was shot. Okay. So can you tell me a little bit? How it happened? From girl or six nine. To see so crowd of people. Okay. Walked up. Away. From seconds later heard shots shots. Okay. And then what? Apparently call I can't he speak up apparently fell into call. Why you were shot shot where we've shot my leg. Okay. In the video Sean tells Manny he didn't see who shot him. He says he was taken to the hospital came back home, and eventually was picked up by the cops and broad into the precinct answer questions about the shooting wherever you taking fully second. Boy second. Okay. Sean says that when he got the forty second precinct detective tried to get him to identify the shooter. Started to ask me questions for like three or four hours three hours. Okay. Then about one trying to make me tell some some last kid try to make you tell them some light seen kid is that what you just told me. What are you try to make you tell it's hard to make like make me testify they shot from? All right. So did you tell him they shot him? I did not recognize the kid from. Too many. This was big he'll ready had statements from four I witnesses saying that Pasia wasn't shooter. And now yet the victim himself. Sean our Doni saying that a cop relentlessly pressured him to pin the crime on someone even though Sean insisted he didn't see who shot him. Manny thought all this new evidence made the case against pesos in thin and suspect at best. And he was sure it would be enough to get the charges dropped. But that's not what happened. The prosecutor didn't drop the charges. Instead, he auto sudden changes his story the prosecutor put forward at different theory of the case patriots next court date. The prosecutor said that picture wasn't actually the shooter as the indictment originally claimed. Instead, he said Pedro handed the gun to the shooter. It was still a serious crime page Joe would have to stay in jail. At that hearing the prosecutor also suggested that he had questions about manny's evidence that manny's witnesses might not have been totally forthright. But he didn't say much beyond that. And a spokesperson the DA's office declined to comment on the case. Mannies attempt to get Pedro at of jail had failed. But he wasn't done trying. If anything he was more convinced an effort that the thirties had it out prepared tro. And there was one cop in particular who Manny believed was responsible detective David Terrell detective Terrell was the cop who questioned the shooting victim, Sean nardone. Savell for me his questions tomorrow. The okay. So he bought you in a room. And then what Shawna Doni claim that when he refused to identify the shooter detective Terrell threatened him China. He's on the CC said it was a called stop playing the Ryan plus my head into the world. So let me see my heart correctly protective Tyrrell told you stop playing mom punches heads of wool year wall. And why because I could not tell tone waiting wanted to hear. Terrell would later file a lawsuit claiming he had no quote personal involvement with Sean or Doni I've actually sat down with Terrell, and I'll get into all that and future episodes for now what I can tell you this, Sean, our Doni wasn't the only person who told Manny that he'd had problems detect Terrell. Jessica patriots, mom said she'd had problems too. According to Jessica, those problems started a few years earlier when one of her sons pages older brother started having run ins with cops. She said one day, she got a strange phone call. Receive a call. Hi, this is officer to Royal from forty second. I'm like, yes. Can I help you on calling you? I was wondering vehicle bring me lunch. I would love some Spanish food. I said, I'm not the cooker, and I'm not your wife. So you got the wrong girl. Good afternoon office. I hang up the phone. Jessica says she didn't even know how he had her number. Maybe he'd found it on some paperwork the station, according to her this wasn't the last time. She had hang up on him. He will call me randomly from a private number seven in the morning. Hey, good morning miss Perez. And my husband will be next to be host is all this is officer tomorrow. How you doing everything's okay. She says she got so fed up with this that she had to change her number and the next time she saw Terrell. She says she confronted him about it. So I told them I would appreciate if you don't call my phone, you're now my son's arresting officer. You have no business calling my phone and stop thinking, you're going to be dating me or you're going to have anything with me. I don't care why you'd think no you're not my type you're never going to be my type. And no you understand like I put him uncivil enables in front of another officer. It was a white chubby young officers little office. I forgot his name and the officer laughed at his face say, she puts you in your place, according to Jessica, this only seem to make things worse. One time. She said she was sitting in the car with her mom when police car pulled up alongside them, and she turned and saw familiar face. He lets me. Hey, Jess this time. It's not miss Peres. Now is just. On that that him. I'm thinking he's gonna come harassed 'cause I'm double park or something. He tells my mother you mommy, and she's like, yeah. I'm her mother. He tells my mother, oh, she a rough one. She she a strong one. My mother said. Yeah. I know he said, yeah. But the Maury I'm gonna make sure I break into her. My mother looked at him. And my mother told them, I don't know what you mean. But you're not breaking into her. He just laughed. Kept it going after that. I started seeing visits Toronto in my building often off the the super the neighbors will tell me he was offering in the building looking into cameras trying to get my son into something. So I'll probably have to go into his mercy, you know, or. Explain that. Jessica says she eventually began to wonder if this was part of some strategy. He was trying to use his power as a cop to get women in the neighborhood date him. If if my son got in trouble, they do my son will get a free pass and woke the precinct. If. Son got in trouble. You will make sure the case got Trump because I exchange favors which room. In his lawsuit Terrell denies involvement in any wrongdoing related to Jessica and his lawyer would later characterize allegations as false and laughable, but I spoke with two different people close to Jessica, and they confirm her account and a background check confirmed that she did change her phone number around this time. The Manny it was all very suspicious Terrell had been hanging around pages building he allegedly harassed pitches mother and the kid who paid your have been accused of shooting Terrell had allegedly threatened to punch his head into a wall. Everything seemed to point to Terrell so many says he set off to find out more. Went back to the streets to schoolyards and playgrounds wherever young people were hanging out. They all start to talk to me tell me about well. All of them were victimized out all of the new other kids, and then I had a real as Asian that. This is huge. This is way bigger than when I thought it was I knew it was big when I got him out. But I didn't realize it was going to be a nightmare gargantuan nightmare of corruption on this level. That is a frightening and entire community and entire police precinct. That's coming up on the next episode of conviction. Thanks to our sponsor Toyota. The all new RAB for is here. Learn more about the unprecedented capability and versatility cutting edge technology and revolutionized design at Toyota dot com slash route. Former that's Toyota dot com slash route four. This episode of conviction is brought to you by HBO's true detective starring at kademi award winner MMA Herschel holy season. Three of detective is out. Now, you can watch it on all HBO platforms on air streaming and on demand. Learn more about the show at HBO dot com slash chew. Detective that's HBO dot com slash true. Detective? Thanks to our sponsor Hooper rewards, a new loyalty program that gives you points for every eligible dollar you spend on rides or Uber heats. 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Episode 62: Work From Home One Life One Device World

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24:38 min | 9 months ago

Episode 62: Work From Home One Life One Device World

"Welcome to an all new episode of what the Texas happened as of this recording on May twelfth there over four point one million cases of Kobe. Nineteen globally with over one point. Three million in the US alone as millions of US remain working from home. You might be wondering. What risks are there to yours security network? We are going to be talking about people converting their houses to smart homes today. And how you can prepare yourself and your network to be safe as we all move to this one life one device world all this and more on today's episode of what the Heck just happened. Good Morning Rob. Good Morning It's beautiful shining day today. Where still at home And I think people are getting beyond board and move into their new normal happening on outside here because I don't think I've seen it in a while. I don't Well yes there is. Actually a world happening Golf is starting to open. Do want to make a mentioned too that. I'm actually going golfing today. Don't tell my boss but I'm going golfing today. Yes boss may find out I do here. He's a listener of the podcast. Yes Oh my father-in-law's also Goff Golfing today and lots of rules around. It's white actually. This'll be a great topic free to come back with what you're doing. Yeah I'm I'm interested to to hear all the things that they're doing for the social distancing. I don't think that the clubhouse is open. I think they're doing like then. Mo type thing to pay and One person on each of the the carts and I also heard that they're not doing flags sticks that there's going to be like a cup. That's upside down and if you ball hits the Cup then you consider it in the hole so. I'm like Oh good I can keep fly that thing into the cup and look at me. Go all of a sudden. Everyone's golf scores are GonNa be way about everyone will be under par. Did I get that golf term? Play yeah so golf. Courses are reopening. Some retail has opened hairdresser. Here in New Hampshire anyway should have that caveat that everything of course there's different across the United States But Robin I reside here in the lovely state of New Hampshire. So we've seen Hairdressers opened up yesterday. Limited retail and golf courses Opening up this week with restaurants to follow with very strict guidelines around outdoor seating and reservations for indoor seating If possible so it will be interesting to see what happens here in the next couple of weeks but I know states like Ohio have also started to reopen so we shall see interesting experiment interesting experiment indeed so as we Even though a lot of people are returning to work people like you and I In many of our listeners are still working. Ramon those of us. Who have maybe traditional office jobs that have you know? Spend our days on. Laptops are home and those of us who are home tend to get a little bit bored and I'm GonNa make a confession about my boredom today are you. I know we did. We chatted a little bit before this episodes rubs a little unsure what I'm gonNA confess to know so we had a conversation just to sort of set the stage a little bit paddock conversation with our security team at connection a back in October for cyber security awareness month. It was Steve Doni and rob and bill and a great team chatted with us and we got onto the topic of smart homes and all of these gadgets and Alexis and Google's and series and portals and Whatever it might be from whatever manufacturer and I remember recording not episode. I think it was episode. Thirteen was our first episode in the series. So what are we at episode sixty one now? Yes that was. That was a long while ago. Feels like a lifetime ago? So I'm so thirteen through twenty we dead all about cybersecurity and I remember rob telling us about his smart home setup and I. I got chills from it because the thought of being so connected to the Internet in your like everything in your home creeped me out and you don't have a Smart Home D. Rom. Well I would say it's maybe half smart home so I I started. I was one of the first adopters of yeah. I can't remember how many years I've had it now but And then I just started adding things on I had the smart plugs and then some of the lights so I'm getting there. I'm not are all the way there. I don't have the ring. I don't have the the nest thermostat and things like that but it's amazing how quickly you can bring it up to par and have a you know. Have a smart home. It's interesting. Yeah so my confession is that things have escalated very quickly in the house. When it comes to smart homing it all started when my husband was cleaning out his closet and found. Google home mini Just this little teeny stony speaker and we got it. I remember we signed up for spotify forever. Go which by the way combined this podcast on spotify by searching connection to experience rob. You will fix that. I know it Because that's platform I listen to it on all the time. So he signed up for an account and got this little. Google home mini and it's been sitting in his closet for like a year and pulled it out and he's like you know what I think I'm going to set this thing up and see what it can do on Mike. Oh God here. We go if we remember in episode thirteen. I think I talked about how I had. Microsoft exploit connect on my TV for a while and I would walk into a room and it would say good morning penny an like the thing came off the TV as fast as it went up sitting in the basement of so fast forward to corona twenty twenty. And I now have a google not only google many but as soon as he took the thing out he remembered that he had some like a what it's called but the whatever you needed for the light switches to be smart so like the main face switches. Yes smart switch on the they have hubs too. So I don't know if he connected to a hub his all sorts of ways of knowing it he he now. My husband's attrition so not uncommon that he like we'll just by random light switches and store them. This is a regular occurrence. He comes up from the basement with this Ben of pretty much everything you need to set up smart switches awhile. He's got the hub he's got some extra switches you went to this. He ordered more on Amazon over the week. So every single light in our house is run by a smart switch. Let's see if I can do this right now. Okay Google Turnoff Lucy's bedroom light. It's still on this. Well done. Yeah so all of our smarts. All of our lights are now smart which you know fairly small so it doesn't make that big of a difference but let me tell you what has changed my life being able to tell tell. Google what time to wake me up in the morning without having to pick up my phone. That's cool right over like strangely Kwalik. I remember this going to make me sound so lazy but I remember sitting in bed going. Oh should really set my alarm on my phone but the mere thought of picking up my phone and setting the alarm just seemed like such a turnoff. It so google does everything. I am talking to Google all day long as I moved through the House. So I WANNA do something cool here Alexa. Turn off the Alexa turn on office Alexa. Change office to blue. Ooh Ron is fancy. How cool is that? It's so cool like I I have to say I almost want to write Rob An email and the other rob. Not You rub. I almost want to rob on our security team and email saying I feel like I might be officially convert dead to the smart home and really the only thing that is smart right now is late switches. But there's more to there and we have a nest camera outside of our house. But now I'm like what else can we get? And he so we have the mini and then he went and bought like the bigger like the console that like Filters are pictures from Google We can talk to it and make a shopping list and it connects to our phones. Everything's hooked up in my house and I am happy happy as a clam and could not as a consumer have even like it was all in the back of my mind the whole security thing knowing how easy it was and seeing how easy it was but as we as we owe and and then of course so this is what happens with me. I can be so against doing something and then I do it and I become obsessed with it now. I'M GONNA get everybody else to make their house smart home so I'm already like for my mother-in-law's Bertha am buying her a Google home mini and a thermostat because she doesn't like to walk all the way across the House that night in the dark to turn down the Thermostat so we're going to get her a smart thermostat and I do want to say as representatives of connection. We don't necessarily advocate this as a good security practice shield remember I would director security here has no I o At all in his house and he said simply I know security and I know how to protect things and I can't get there with anything that an Iot not a really good way yet to secure these he goes so I will not make my house vulnerable so I just want to put that out there. That as good reps for security that we maybe should advocate to get these however we do know that rob on the security team has as pimped his with security devices and Iot or not Security but IOT devices As as myself and it sounds like pennies on the bandwagon. Yeah and remember. We talked to David FROM CISCO TO. Who runs you know? He's there You know security security for our might be getting title wrong for a business development specialist for Cisco Security and he himself said I want I forgot it off the top my head. How many devices he said he had but pretty much is entire house was run With smart apps and so this is why. I think it's such an important topic for today. 'cause I referenced it on another podcast that there had been some articles coming out where companies like law firms and you know people doing Telehealth from home and things like that were being asked by their employers to turn off things like Alexa and their Google home stuff because you are disgusting Not only proprietary information but personal information In the privacy of your home. That's now being picked up by a device. I think while we don't our security practice doesn't advocate for this because we don't have you know us as a layman in our homes don't necessarily have you know the know how to make sure that we're secure. I think it's something that. It directors and chief technology officers and network administrators. All all of. These people are going. It's going to have to be on their radar. This is the new normal. I am stuck at home and I don't WanNA walk in turn on a light switch anymore. I don't WanNa pick up a remote control my TV. I you know I want to. I don't want to handwrite my shopping list anymore and I think the more that were home the longer that were home in everyone's there. This is what happens. Boredom creeps in you. Start adopting new technology. You're seeing all over TV and so this might actually be a good time to consider reaching out to someone. Like a Steve Nardo Doni and his team and having that conversation of you know how do I make sure that what my employees are doing at home? You know with their smart home setup and they're using their d their home device with their work device and all of this has sort of CO mingling together. What's the strategy now? So I think those protocols are gonNA escalate with covert nineteen the talking about the Digital Transformation and how that was going to take years and now they've compressed that down in two months weeks even even days for some companies and I think that this particular protocol the Iot the insecure ways of Iot now because a covert. I think that that whole process is going to be compressed into you're gonNA start seeing better more secure protocols coming out to the point where Steve Nardelli go all right. You know what we found something. I can now start installing until he starts saying. I'm like I'll still be skeptical. I was skeptical to and not not to say that I'm not still One thing that my husband always says he's like what to we his point of view. His what do we do in our home that we actually care can be brought back? Like what are we? Doing that can be used for bad but anything could be. It depends on who the bad actor is and what kind of information. They're trying to get people like my husband. Don't necessarily think about the fact that I'm sitting here on a work device with Google listening to me and I'm connected to my google like this is where I think the part of the rest lights less around what you're saying and what's getting picked up but when I go onto my computer and I go onto google dot com or G. Mail. I'm logged into the same account. That is picking up my voice and it all works together like few. Have you ever have you started to receive notifications from or summaries from Google about where you've been in the past minds? How many people do that that would that would freak me out a little bit so he gets a daily or weekly report of all the places. He's been how long has traveled. Time was a list of all of this and he showed it to me the other day. I haven't gotten one of those so we must have something turned on. But that's where I think the risk is is that it's not just in your home anymore. You are interacting with Google and Google Google's just one example at there's tons of these Think that And I haven't experienced that and I'm not sure how I feel at all if I saw a notification showing all the places I've been I mean it's okay if you see it but maybe you don't want somebody else's but the you know I'm connected into my company VPN while I'm browsing or while. I'm logged into my Google account while I'm talking to Google so all of these things are starting to Meld more than they ever ever have before. And so this is you know we've been talking about the return to work and having to take people's temperatures and having to social distance but one thing we haven't touched on and we've said security but I think this is digging that one level deeper. Is You now have very little control over what your employees are doing in their personal life and how that is interfering with their work life in terms of someone gaining access or using information you know against them or for bad things like that so as you sort of plan your return back to work here? I think the planning for the remote work and how you handle security and potential threats through smart home capabilities and Iot devices It's going to be super important and part of that strategy And I know that our security team if not already is developing major strategies to help you navigate. That's kind of thing. Yeah and we're going to be doing a lot of stuff as we lead up to national cyber security awareness month in October we have a webinar series. That we're planning. We have another podcast series like we did last year that were planning And a couple of other events so those are things as as we lead up to it. These will be some of the topics that will be discussing. That can help folks out. Yeah it's it's all going to be good stuff and I the security pieces always super interesting because like Jamal has said and Steve has said you don't necessarily know all the threats until or your weaknesses until someone makes their way through. I've just been thinking about the greater. The greater landscape of competition in general for different industries and security is going to be no different in terms of the the bad actor competition. That's GONNA come out. I saw I wanted to tell you this too because I saw A post on Lincoln. This was actually one of our account. Managers Daryl masterson out of our keen office. He every a few of our account managers have really like drilled into the security piece and are really in tune to what's happening and are using that as sort of their their own practice as they talk to their customers and he posted a little summary of an article that he read listen to the headline men fall victim to cybercrime more than women. So not only. Are we better drivers? Were supposedly more secure just overall smarter. I get it but I'm going to debunk. This thought process a little bit so here. Here's what the article son is at the theory behind. Why men fall victim more than women is because men tend to use the same password across multiple accounts where women are more likely to have a different password across accounts. Rob True or false true. I say false. Oh okay no you're right. That's what the article is but for my personal experience. I'm maybe I'm more like a man than I thought Because that has been my strategies since the beginning of time and quite honestly when I when I'm working with like an apple product apple has like all these requirements for a password. That is so off of my normal like I had. I had one. That was a dollar sign. That was one of my passwords and I found out. Can't use the dollar sign anybody? Why is that a thing now? I could go back and change everything so every time I signed into apple. I have to change my password. And that's what made me laugh on the episode that you were talking about the the the Iowa caucus where where they got. The past forgot their password. Like that would be me. I'd be like oh well. No I'll just log into real quick. I'll just log into the APP or re download and then have zero access Because I don't remember my password or what email it's linked to and all that stuff so I just thought that was funny but I I. It was an interesting an interesting sort of call out from the article about men and women and their how they handle security. But what it comes down to is whether you are male or female you could click on anything and let me tell you. Passwords might be one piece but we know that like malware ransomware and all that stuff. That's coming through email or I was talking to you about an article on linked in that I thought was actual click bait and it was going to download an entire virus onto my computer because of the title of it alone. I clicked on it. I clicked on it. But you know I clicked on it because I am going to give a little plug here using HP device which has a sure click unsure. Start that When I click on something malicious will actually. It's built into the device to quarantine Ed and protected. And we'll you know. Ask Me if I think it's questionable and nothing happened so and even if it did. Hp HP's device would've protected so your confidence. Failsafe I'm confident. It is the world's most secure. Pc applying well done. Yeah so in Summary. If you obviously you are managing a remote workforce or if you are at home and you are part of the remote workforce something to just keep in the back of your head. As all of these smart devices become more prevalent. We're doing more online ordering than ever more online accounts with passwords where our credit card information is in there. You are dotted line to your company's network while you're on your device doing all this stuff so a part of the new normal preparing for the return is developing what this new strategy looks like around cybersecurity a different threats and sort of managing this one life one device view And making sure that it did. It doesn't really create a A big space for Malicious activity to happen on your network. Or on your your. You don't want in your home network. You don't want people on your home network either. Let's that's just as dangerous so I will say we use a VPN at home so we do have like one teensy. Tiny layer of production little firewall. Little little teeny tiny firewall. But I think that's probably a good place for us to leave off fund. Today's episode so if you are concerned about what your employees are doing at home. I highly encourage you to reach out here. Account manager like I said many of them are are proficient Insecurity as well as our security practice. Steve Nardone and his team and go back and listen to says a great refresher to listen to episode thirteen through twenty on. You know cybersecurity if you're looking for some new strategies around how to handle Iot and beyond so I think that's a wrap for today Nice job. Yeah good stuff So what on on whatever platform you are listening to? Please make sure you like follow and share. I can also feel free to leave us a comment and maybe tell us what you've been doing while you've been bored of you been equipping yours your home with smart home devices or you actually enjoying the nice fresh air outside yet. Alan Golf Today. You can also email us at podcast at connection. Dot Com. If you'd like to share something with us or be a guest on our show. We'd love to hear from you on with that Ron Have a wonderful day and enjoy golfing. Oh I won't tell your boss will tell him not to listen to Jake not tracking me as well. I can I. Can I see you in my office? I see why you didn't go to that meeting. You know what rob I will say this just in case. Your boss is listening. You put in more hours than anyone. I have ever seen where I think you deserve to take an afternoon. And some time for Yourself Penny Jeff as I was slacking you at eight o'clock last night and you responded instantaneously Is Like the sky. Works too hard all right. Everybody have a great day and we will see you back here next week on what the tax just happened talking today. About smart homes security rests on your work. Can we start that over? That was imposed. All right now I just want to make what three bullet points and everything okay working.

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I'm Having Boundary Issues With My Parents

Ramsey Call of the Day

06:28 min | 4 months ago

I'm Having Boundary Issues With My Parents

"It's Monday and this is the Ramsey call of the day part of the Ramsey networks. Joining me today is Ramsey personality Dr. John. Baloney. Scott is with us. In Atlanta Georgia, Hi Scott what's up man? Hello Dave a doctor Doni Personal Dave. Congratulations Faculty is such a great addition to the lineup. We'll thank you we agree. Brother Scott and your check in the mail rather. All right waiting for that since I'm on. Right, now, so anyway, to my question my wife and I like I said, we're on baby step two. We've got a ways to go currently cash flowing kids through college my parents who are eighty years old never saved for retirement They've I called in last. Ti- last year You help me guys guide through bailing my parents out of a financial prices and then you send them through FPU and set them up with a financial coach they fully completed both and you also sent me boundaries which I read. last month, they called me to tell me not ask me that they needed need to co-sign a loan for them because my mom wants cosmetic surgery, they can't afford. At eighty though. Yeah. I don't even WANNA ask Ya. Yeah I I could make it exciting but it's It has to do with dental work. So I told them I was not going to dismiss the principles I live by to enable their behavior especially after they have sensibly learn the same thing. I did anyway my birthday was August thirtieth it came and went without a caller card. My father now spends time posting passive aggressive stuff on facebook about how children are supposed to treat their parents. Now I know I'm right by co-signing. And I'm not sure from a relationship standpoint what I'm supposed to do here I wouldn't let them starve or be thrown out on the streets but this is a want not a need. we're all angry obviously one of us who's right. But we're at astounding. Hurt, so bad I'm sorry. Ask got hate that for your brother. So. Here's the deal when it comes to what's the right thing to do financially of course, you know that you're right men when it comes to the right thing to do relationship of course, you know you don't need validation but you're right you drew a boundary that was best for you and for your family and you held them to it and I'm proud of you for that and you're getting to see what the other side of a boundary looks like when Someone Ping's off your the walls or the fences or the boundaries you drew and they choose to react immaturely and the hard part. Is You love your parents. You Love Your Mom you love your dad individually and together, and they're choosing to make their own path as adults are able to do, and that hurts in that stinks and you're going to have to grieve that But the reality is there eighty they're allowed to do whatever they want to do and I would suggest you turn off facebook and don't listen to the nonsense and you continue to be mature and you continue to be adult and yes, you send them cards on their birthday because children honor their parents and you make sure they are included when it's appropriate but. You'RE GONNA have to grieve this part of man because I just stinks. I'm sorry. Hey, for the only the only recompense you've got this, there's only one kind of a relationship that requires money to be transferred. It's called prostitution. And so if your relationship is money dependent. You're in that class. You don't have a relationship in other words. Because that's not a relationship that's a transaction agreed. I agree and so. I'm just saying it's the only way you're. You have to get your brain around Oslo. It's chapter two. I believe maybe one even in boundaries. That says you're not crazy. Remember that chapter. You're not crazy you because when you get this paying off the boundary, John described it. What you start to feel is is that you're crazy like you did something wrong I, a- bad son and my being a legalist being too hard core and so forth, and it's like No. Sky You're just asking how to deal with this. Well. Yeah. I, mean nobody wants to pick up the phone at this point. In so here's the deal call men and check in how's everybody doing. You can be the mature grown-up when there and if they choose to respond in immature ways, then then you can begin to develop new boundaries against that. The challenge with boundaries is we feel so good and we finally draw and we forget that boundaries do have consequences and boundaries do have emotional and feeling you know responses and sometimes people don't respond well to our boundaries and it hurts boundaries when someone feels like they're boundaries, me someone feels like they're entitled to something of yours that they're not entitled to. And you tell them that. Almost, always, there's a response of anger but I think we get so excited that we're drawn boundary that we feel good and we do it and it's like. We forget that tim be up against it and say, well, then you're not my son I, don't love you or if I really do cocaine and the living room. Dad Than I just won't let you be my dad if you're going to throw me out for doing that. I'm sorry we don't do cocaine. We're living room or it's going to be your fault that my. Kids are GONNA fill in the right. So people get to respond to that going to respond grandchildren are going to be hungry because of you because of you giving this thirty six year old without job for two and a half years any money you know this kind of thing and so your it's your fault. Somehow it's not your fault man I'm it does hurt when. It does breaks your heart, and so but I agree with John I mean just call them and have a conversation but here's the thing. Don't try to call them and fix it now doesn't fix they can't they're not there's no fixing this they're just going to get over it or not. Yeah I. Always want to encourage people to be mature party respectful party the relational party, but also protect yourself. Don't keep putting yourself in harm's way. For Scott. Thanks for tuning into the Ramsey call of the day check out all of our podcast just search Ramsey network on apple podcasts spotify or wherever you listen.

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Adrenoleukodystrophy Pt. 2

Medical Mysteries

47:43 min | 1 year ago

Adrenoleukodystrophy Pt. 2

"Agoo still a donate entered the master bedroom where his eight year old son Lorenzo. Lorenzo slept confined to his bed. And reliant. On a feeding to Lorenzo's mother Michaela had dutifully cared for him all day. And now it was a Gustavo's turn to watch over the boy in the winter of nineteen eighty six this had become their routine. A- Gustavo caressed rest Lorenzo shoulder seeing his son like this put him close to tears only three years ago. Lorenzo had been precocious five year old boy who spoke three languages. He loved opera and Greek mythology. He had around angelic face adorned with a charming smile. Lorenzo is is charismatic enough to get away with anything and he knew it but the boys life changed when he fell ill with adrenoleukodystrophy. A little loon disease that took away his hearing and sight as well as his ability to move swallow and speak within a matter of months now. His parents cared for Lorenzo. Twenty four seven in their Fairfax Virginia. Home they read to him play his favorite music and try to make his life as comfortable as possible. Doctors told the Adonis Lorenzo had two years to live at most. There was nothing they could do to save him. But that was something Lorenzo's parents wouldn't accept and on this night in one thousand nine hundred eighty six as Gustav watched Lorenzo in bed thinking thing about all the medical research done inspiration struck. Augusta's suddenly had an idea that would change the course of modern in medicine an idea which to this day is hotly debated but Augusta was a father. And he'd try anything to save. His son's is life when our bodies he's fail we trust doctors to diagnose the problem but medicine isn't always an exact science. Sometimes it's a guessing game with life or death breath stakes. This is medical mysteries a podcast original. I Mali and I'm Richard. Every Tuesday will look at the strangest real real life medical cases in history and the experts who raced against the clock to solve them as we follow. These high intensity stories will explore a medical medical research. That might solve the puzzle next week. In part two will analyze all the evidence in trying to find an answer. You you can find episodes of medical mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream medical mysteries for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type medical mysteries in the search bar at podcast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. This is our our first episode on Adrenoleukodystrophy. This rare genetic disease came to global attention. Thanks to Lorenzo Adani a young boy who is diagnosed diagnosed in one thousand nine hundred eighty four this week will explore the early years of Lorenzo's diagnosis and follow. His parents. Frantic search for a cure. Next next week we'll learn how Lorenzo's parents caused controversy in the medical community and how Lorenzo became a household name thanks to an Oscar nominated film denial anger bargaining depression acceptance for some the five stages of grief start immediately after a grim fatal diagnosis. It may feel like your world is. He's literally collapsing as you. Sit in front of your doctor. Receiving the news even more devastating is grieving for your own child after they've been given in mere years to live. However even in the darkest of circumstances a glimmer of hope can survive after all there there is nothing more determined than a devoted parent and there were none more devoted than Augusto and Michaela Doni their son? Lorenzo was is borne in Washington. DC On may twenty ninth nineteen seventy-eight Augusto and Michaela donate a new right away. Their son would be special he he was a gifted child with a Cherub face and a mischievous smile and his parents believed he would grow up to be a genius after all a Gustavo and Michaela were geniuses in their own right. A Gustavo was an economist born in Italy who traveled the world. Aiding Developing Countries Michaela. A publishing editor was granted a Fulbright scholarship in her youth to study in Grenoble France while teaching English to locals with such an educated lineage. It's no wonder that Lorenzo is bilingual in Italian and English. By the time he was three years old his natural gift for languages continued to serve him. When in Nineteen Eighty Augusta moved the family to the Comoros Islands in Africa as an employee for the World Bank Gustavo? uh-huh accepted an assignment to create an economic plan for the small french-speaking nation. Lorenzo picked up the local language quickly. Thanks to a teenager named Maury three in exchange Lorenzo who was just a preschooler helped him with English. He was a natural at making friends in his new home. Well meeting local children for the first time. The three year old spoke his first full sentence in French SEM Worley Chef Sweden Amoah law translation. I'm the boss. Follow me. Michaela was astonished and a little embarrassed at the child's bossy confidence but that was Lorenzo. He was a natural born leader completely comfortable in his own skin. Michaela described her boy as a whirling dervish combination Shen of Con Artistry and fair play. Lorenzo knew that he could charm anyone he met especially his older half siblings from gustavus. First marriage his brother Francesco who he called DOTTO and his sister. Christina who called Nina Michaela is quoted in the Washington Ashington Post article fatally ill as saying he was so beyond my dreams that I said thank you practically every day. The an unusually bright child even enjoyed opera the Washington Post article in pursuit of miracle notes. A day when Gustavo Asked if he was enjoying poverty on the radio. Lorenzo replied Papa. You mean you don't know the difference between poverty and Placido Domingo. The family lived on the island for three years. According to the article trying to will a miracle by Michael Ryan in Lorenzo's spent much of these years sailing around the islands in his father's boat watching dolphins and wild monkeys in the lagoons. When the Renzo wasn't on the water he was reading Greek mythology and listening to classical music? It was an idyllic life for an exceptional boy. So however five-year-old Lorenzo's idyllic life changed when his family moved back to the outskirts of Washington in DC in one thousand nine hundred eighty three teachers. At Lorenzo's Montessori School notified his parents that he was having trouble concentrating. Andrew who is throwing tantrums in Class A Gustavo and Michaela couldn't believe the teachers were talking about their mild-mannered Lorenzo. But Lorenzo was soon soon having daily tantrums at home as well he became angry at the slightest thing and wasn't shy about kicking and screaming in public. The outbursts often left the child exhausted. His parents thought that behavior was due to Lorenzo adjusting to his new life in America. Ah this wouldn't be that unusual. According to the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry moving can be difficult for children particularly particularly those in kindergarten which Lorenzo was entering at this time a child who is emotionally affected by a move can experience depression irritability ability social withdrawal and other mood and behavioral changes. But his tamper wasn't the only thing changing Gustav recalls trying to teach Lorenzo a puzzle game outside of school. The usually bright Lorenzo was too confused to understand after that Lorenzo started started slurring. His words this again was all chalked up to the move since he was transitioning back to speaking only English after three years of speaking primarily French on the Comoros Islands. People joke that the slurred speech was just him becoming Americanized but on Christmas. Nineteen eighty-three Lorenzo fell off his bike. A week later he fell again in his room. He was having an increasingly increasingly hard time with his balance and coordination so Augusto and Michaela brought Lorenzo to interrupt gised. The doctor ordered a cat scan Gan and said there were no irregularities Lorenzo's brain. He assured the Adonis Lorenzo was a fairly normal four year old boy perhaps just mildly Lee hyperactive hyperactivity refers to an abnormally high state of activity often present in those with attention deficit hyperactivity pretty disorder or Adhd a child with hyperactivity could be constantly. Fidgeting have trouble concentrating or have problems albums was quiet activities such as reading but reading was something. Lorenzo excelled at sometimes doing it for hours at a time. His parents I thought the hyperactivity diagnosis made no sense at all. What the Adonis didn't know? was that the radiologists that administered the cat scan. It did notice abnormalities in Lorenzo's results however the neurologist ignored these findings then within four months of the cat scan. Lorenzo started having strange lapses in memory. Agusto had to lead Lorenzo to his classroom every day because Lorenzo Renzo couldn't seem to remember where it was he also continued to have trouble with his balance. His symptoms resembled those of a stroke victim. Psychologists even suggested that he was brain damaged soon after the memory lapses began. His parents asked his teachers to be on the lookout for for any strange behavior. The teachers reported back that Lorenzo was often unruly or disoriented and couldn't follow lessons. They suggested he might have an auditory processing problem. Michaela also noticed Lorenzo's auditory difficulties. Lorenzo told Michaela that he didn't want to go to school anymore because he didn't like how noisy it was according to Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center having trouble with noisy. Noisy areas is a symptom of audio processing disorder. Children with this kind of disorder have trouble remembering directions focusing in loud rooms or telling the difference between similar words such as cat and hat around this time. Lorenzo got the flu when his mother was reading to Him. He interrupted her and asked if she could read louder when she obliged Lorenzo said he still couldn't hear her her Michaela called her husband telling him that there was something wrong with their sons hearing alarmed. Augusta left work and raced home. Aw Doctors couldn't find anything wrong with Lorenzo's ears but it was clear that he had sudden and extreme hearing loss. His parents were directed to Dr Dr Donald Fishman one of Washington's top neurologists Fishman noticed irregular formations in Lorenzo's brainwaves. These results and Lorenzo symptoms reminded Doctor Fishman of an article. He had read about a devastating disease. Called Adrenoleukodystrophy we know Luca dystrophy also known as L. D. it was largely unknown in the medical community at the time according to Gustavo Fishman himself wouldn't have even known it existed. If it wasn't for the single article I recognized in Nineteen twenty-three Al Diese as a progressive genetic disorder that affects the spinal cord adrenal glands and the nervous system Ale de attacks protective. Sheath that coats the brain's neurons called mylan when the mylan is destroyed neurons become unable to control the body's muscles or central nervous system simply put the brain loses its ability to tell our arms to move to swallow according to the Stop Ale de Foundation Asian. Al D affects one in eighteen thousand people in the beginning Stages Childhood Ale D. I presents itself behaviorally. behaviorally like Lorenzo's temper tantrums. Then as the disease strips further away at a person's mylan they become blind deaf half and paralyzed. It usually turns fatal within two to five years of diagnosis while Ale is very rare. Lorenzo symptoms fit the description. Doctor Fishman quickly admitted Lorenzo to a children's hospital for testing if he did have adrenoleukodystrophy time was of the essence after being admitted to the hospital. Lorenzo's blood samples were sent to Dr Hugo Moser director of the John. F Kennedy the Institute for Handicapped Children in Baltimore. The Columbia graduate born in Barron. Switzerland was the leading authority on AOL de working in their lab. Dr Moser and his wife had created a blood test that could diagnose the disease in nineteen eighty-one prior to this is test l.. D. was diagnosed with an adrenal biopsy or more commonly with an autopsy in April Nineteen eighty-four a month before Lorenzo's six birthday Dr Moser's test results San Lorenzo's blood came in Doctor Fishman. The SAT Agusto and Michaela down in a windowless room. With a matter of fact tone doctor Fishman simply said it's L. D. it's neurologically progressive and children's survive on an average two to three years after diagnosis agoo. Still asked if there were any exceptions to which Dr Fisherman replied now. He told the parents that Lorenzo would lose his ability to walk his sight his speech and soon soon his life alien children is essentially a death sentence. Augusto and Michaela knew everything. Lorenzo loved playing being with Friends Opera Reading Classic Stories of Heroes and villains. All of this was about to be taken away from him by his own body. Of course course. He didn't know that yet but his parents did their brilliant Lorenzo was supposed to grow up happy and achieve great things but now it seemed he wouldn't get the chance a Gustavo called his daughter. Lorenzo's half sister Christina. His voice trembled as he gave her the news. WHO's the doctor told us to go home and pray? There's nothing to do. Meanwhile Michaela was on the phone with every priest and friend she. She knew asking them to pray for her boy. Augusto and Michaela couldn't accept the horrible diagnosis and sought a a second opinion. They went to Dr Moser directly and he confirmed Lorenzo's fate further. Blood work showed that Michaela was the genetic carrier carrier of the disease. It was likely this wasn't the first case of Alien Michaela's family. They later found out that her uncle who died in his forties ladies do to unknown causes probably suffered an adult form of the disease. Michaela was horrified that her own genes had delivered the devastating stating condition to her son. But if it was her body that gave Lorenzo the Disease Michaela decided that her mind and spirit. We're going to ended where other parents may have resigned themselves to their grim fate. The Oh donets thought that may be what happens to everybody else else but not our kid coming up Abu. Sto Michaela hit the books to find a cure for Lorenzo. Hi It's molly. It's no mystery that I'm an animal lover. That's why I am so thrilled to tell the podcast. Latest Series Don Tales. Dog Tales tells the true stories of heroic canines who have gone above and beyond their best friend in duties. The dog and my life is named Corona. He's a rust. 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Gene children usually succumb to the disease in two to five years but Lorenzo's parents resolved to save their son's life in the ECE Lorenzo Gupta recalls one day soon after the diagnosis when he brought Lorenzo to the town pool. Lorenzo had loved swimming before for his diagnosis. He jumped into the pool excited to play. Gustavo soon realized Lorenzo was no longer his old self he had completely -pletely forgotten how to swim and splashed helplessly in the water. Gustavo had to hold Lorenzo the entire time. They were in the pool. As one of of his son's favourite activities became a thing of the past in the pools locker room when Augusta's back was turned for just a moment. Lorenzo wandered away. Gustav searched everywhere but couldn't find him he called Lorenzo's name but got no response. Luckily another they're men found Lorenzo and brought the crying boy back to a Gustavo. Lorenzo was confused and disoriented. He hadn't returned at Augusta's frantic calls because he couldn't hear them or anything else. The disease had almost totally deteriorated. His hearing a Gustavo tried his best to give Lorenzo a normal life but everyday activities became more and more difficult one day. He brought Lorenzo to a football. All field where neighborhood kids were playing soccer. Lorenzo used to play the game back in the Comoros Islands when he was a healthy boy. Full of Energy T. but now L. D. had caused muscle spasms and the loss of his fine motor skills. Lorenzo couldn't stay upright for even one quarter. Lorenzo could only watch the other children play wishing to join in on the game. He broke down in tears knowing something was wrong but not understanding what Gustavo heartbroken cried along with him. They returned home where the walls were now padded to protect Lorenzo so he was losing his balance and falling down so much that it was all they could do to make sure he wouldn't hurt himself. The disease was progressing cing faster each day. Al Dis rapid development is related to the body's inability to remove excess amounts of of very long chain fatty acids or V. L. CF. They are a chemical found in most bodily tissues while healthy people. People have V. L. C. F. A. Males with AOL DE accumulate too much which creates degradation in their mile in. It's unknown exactly why this occurs but when the excess amounts of E. L. C. F. A. Strip mylan from the brain neurons it inhibits the the patient's ability to eat comprehend language move and breathe the disastrous effects of excess veal. CF as in Ale de not only present themselves in men as the AL D gene is linked to the x chromosome. Women are born with two x chromosomes as opposed opposed to men who have only one since women have to usually one L. D. affected x chromosome is balanced by another healthy X.. Since men do not have a second X. They're L. D. gene runs rampant in their body in order to help lower the excess via L. C. The F. A. Levels in his AOL patients Dr Hugo Moser created diet that limits a person's intake of red meat and other saturated fats PAT's while it wasn't always effective it did seem to help some patients via L. C. F. A. levels stay within normal limits and and slow down Ale Dee's progression Lorenzo hated this diet often crying over the foods he could no longer eat beat and after about two months of being on it he had no change in his very long chain fatty acids. His parents asked Dr Moser any other treatments that they could try the article in pursuit of a miracle by Carla hall notes that the genius CBS. Lorenzo could tell something horrible was happening to him but his parents didn't know what to tell him. The disease was progressing so rapidly. They couldn't predict how it was going to affect him day to day. They tried to console him without scaring him. They insisted that. Mommy and Papa OPPA. We're going to help him. BEAT A L D but inside Michaela and Augusta were growing increasingly frustrated as they watched their son's body A. and mind erode. They decided to take his life into their own. Hands began researching a L D on their own in the hopes of finding a cure. They asked every doctor or researcher they could find about the disease. One resident Dr Dismissed questions saying to not bother looking into into amd because the literature on the condition was scarce which was true as we mentioned Doctor Fishman only new you to check Lorenzo for L. D. because he happened to read an article about it. He estimated that only fifty percent of neurologists even knew about the disease at at the time. Lorenzo was diagnosed according to trying to will a miracle by Michael Ryan L. D. had only been seen at about one thousand thousand American families the lack of knowledge about AOL D. was the reason. Lorenzo was initially mis-diagnosed. In fact Lorenzo's says initial diagnosis of hyperactivity wasn't so unusual the most common misdiagnoses Ale de our attention deficit disorder and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Aka. ADHD other typical misdiagnoses included vision. Problems epilepsy epilepsy asperger's syndrome and even brain tumors. If the doctor had only told the Adonis there wasn't much information on AOL D it may have deterred them. That wasn't all he said according to the BBC news when Gustavo asked if he could read medical papers on L. D.. The doctor said don't bother you won't understand them. That was the wrong thing to say to the donets. It was true that as educated as a Gustavo and Michaela were in their respective fields. Neither of them had any sort of medical training but what they lacked medical expertise they made up for with strong wills and an unflagging love for their son. The dismissive comments sent the Adonis to the National Institutes of Health's library with a medical dictionary in hand from then on when she wasn't caring for Lorenzo the Michaela's spent her free time there whereas Gustavo used his lunch breaks to visit the George Washington University Library. They read about Al during the day. Hey and met up at home to share their findings bouncing ideas and research off each other well into the night. They hounded their biochemist friends with the questions hoping to understand the complex words and phrases they'd never heard before they intensely studied excess. VLC FAA's as and the role. They played in Ale the not wanting to lose their precious son they thought. What is the enemy in this business? The bad fatty acids. Let's find a way to kill them. After countless nights searching the catacombs of the Library Michaela branched off reading articles that weren't specifically about AOL D.. But in the same category storage diseases. According to the National Organization of rare disorders storage diseases are inherited metabolic diseases that are characterized by an abnormal buildup of various toxic materials. In the body's cells Michaela described disorganized way she zigzagged through articles as something that would make anyone anyone with scientific training cringe. Eventually she found a Polish medical study that examined genetic defects in rats within the English abstract of the article. She learned that the study lowered the fatty acid levels in rats by feeding them. Different fatty acids that counteracted. The ones they were trying to lower Michaela wondered if this technique could work in humans with high VLC FA levels. It was a theory that the donets kept in the back of their mind however the more troubling thing they had noticed was that the greatest minds steadying a LD worked in different fields and countries all of these researchers labored in isolation and didn't directly share the results with each other her to rectify this. The Adonis formed a closer relationship with Dr Moser. The family wanted to bridge the gap between AOL the experts and and asked for Dr Moser's help organizing symposium. Maybe if all of these great minds were in one room it would lead to a breakthrough Dr. Dr Moser liked the idea but he didn't have the funds to support such a conference. Agusto immediately took out his checkbook and gave him six thousand thousands dollars. If the only thing that stood in their way was money it was a small price to pay for Lorenzo Gustavo and Michaela then went to to work raising more funds for the event. Thanks to an article about Lorenzo's journey and their fundraising in the Washington Post. The Adonis started receiving donations nations from sympathetic readers combined with the generosity of business associates family and friends. The funds soon reached thirty six thousand dollars. They were even able to convince to airlines to provide free flights for the thirty eight L. D. experts who hailed from North America Japan and Europe Europe to attend the conference thanks to the Adonis Dedication on October Twentieth Nineteen eighty-four. The Kennedy Krieger Institute in Baltimore held the First Worldwide Conference on Al de Augusta's Co workers. Family and friends ends volunteered. Free Rides and food for the experts was Gustavo cooking the final conference dinner himself according to fatally ill by. Hi Judy Mann. Doctors visiting the conference hope to understand the specific defective enzyme. That caused Ale. Enzymes are proteins that cause caused chemical reactions such as digestion and DNA replication in Ale de the enzyme responsible for breaking down via l.. CFA It doesn't work and thus the V. L. C. F. A. Rise to dangerous levels the Adonis took notes and all the lectures looking for the key he that unlocked the door to occur sadly during the two day event no great discoveries were made it seemed like the whole conference conference was for nothing however just when their hopes had nearly been snuffed out an offhand remark by one of the doctors sent the Adonis running back home to save their boy coming up. agoo stow n Michaela invent a promising missing treatment now back to the story after their son. Lorenzo was diagnosed with a terminal illness in Nineteen eighty-four four a Gustavo and Michaela donate buried themselves in medical research to try and find a cure for his disease adrenoleukodystrophy dystrophy or a L. D. during their research they found that the leading minds in. AMD research worked in solitude so so they organized a symposium for the brightest doctors in the world to share their findings on am L. D. and collaborate on possible treatments in in hopes of saving Lorenzo. The Adonis saw their symposium of AMD researchers as their saving grace. Unfortunately it looked like a conference was going to be a failure. That is until Dr William Rizzo of the medical. College of Virginia spoke about V. L. C. F. A. The excess acid that roads brain function in L. D. patients. Dr Rizzo discussed his findings on oleic acid a fatty acid which is found in olive oil oil as well as other vegetables according to Dr Rizzo awake acid might lower high. VLC F. A. Levels Michaela recalled the Polish that she'd read which showed dangerous fatty acid levels in rats could be decreased by counteractive fatty acids could combining signing these two studies be the breakthrough if they could give Lorenzo oleic acid maybe it would lower his VLC FA levels and bring him back to his old self however all Dr Rizzo Studies have been done in a test tube while oleic acid worked in that kind of study he. He didn't believe it would work on humans. He told the family that they shouldn't try to give it to Lorenzo because it could disrupt his intestinal tract but Lorenzo was running out of time. A couple of weeks later around Thanksgiving nineteen eighty-four. He was no longer able to walk when week after that. He lost his ability to speak according to in pursuit of a miracle by Carla Hall all after losing his speech. Lorenzo found other ways to communicate. He signalled yes or no with dramatic movements a deliberate blink link for no and a dramatic. Look to the right for yes unfortunately. Al De soon took away his ability to move his eyes at all with Lorenzo quickly deteriorating doctor Fishman told the family that he would likely die within weeks afterward. Michaela's sat beside aside Lorenzo. She told him to keep fighting the monster wreaking havoc on his body. He had to find another way to communicate. She stepped back back. And Sola Renzo wiggled his fingers. These wiggles became his signal for yes or no. He wasn't ready to give up just yet and neither were Gustavo and Michaela with no other options. They decided to try and find oleic acid even even if it's effects on humans were unknown. It was the only viable solution. They had so Michaela picked up the phone and started started trying to track down a source of oleic acid. She called chemical companies across the country. But all of the company's hung up on her when they found out she wasn't dr over forty companies refused to help her but Michaela kept calling. Finally she found a subsidiary of Stokely Joke Van Camp in Columbus Ohio that made an edible form of the acid in an oil the agreed to send it to the family because of Dr Dr Rizzo's warning that the oil could disrupt Lorenzo's intestinal tract. The family needed to test it before they gave it to him. Michaela's sister Deirdre Who moved in with the Adonis to help care for? Lorenzo stepped up to the plate. After Lorenzo's diagnosis every member of the family was tested for the Ale. The Jean de Dreux had tested positive for it and found out that she herself had high. VLC FAA levels. Since she was a woman it didn't affect her body like it did Lorenzo but Detroit agreed to take the Olympic acid oil and be their guinea pig. A Gustavo began again cooking all of dangerous food with the OLEIC oil after two weeks. Dangerous blood work showed that her V. L. C. F. A. Levels went down by fifty percent they blended the oil into Lorenzo's food immediately. Miraculously the OLEIC ACID had the same effect on Lorenzo. It cut his VLC FA levels in half though they remained two times higher than they should have been. The Olympic acids effectiveness impressed Dr Moser enough to start recommending oleic acid to other patients. Even though the acid didn't alleviate Levi Lorenzo symptoms. He did outlive. Dr Fisherman's prognosis of just a few weeks. The donets believed the OLEIC. ACID was slowing down the disease's progression motivated by their success. They continued to search for treatments. That could save Lorenzo. Still aw while they were. Slowly making breakthroughs Lorenzo's health continued to decline Michaela. Left her job to take care of Lorenzo. During the day creating detailed lists and instructions for other nurses and medical professionals that visited the house. She was meticulous about the way they prepared aired his food and massaged his body proud of the fact that Lorenzo had never once gotten a bed sore so common in immobile patients. If if a nurse treated Lorenzo with any ounce of disrespect they were fired immediately. Michaela's care plans were applauded by every doctor that came no no Lorenzo story according to the Myelin Project A nonprofit organization researching Ale de Michaela dedicated her life exclusively to Lorenzo. She sacrificed any type of entertainment for herself and set by Lorenzo side reading him stories or playing classical music she caressed him convinced that he still felt comforting tach and sought to make their home as comfortable for him as she possibly possibly could. Michaela courageously watched Lorenzo get weaker and weaker but never lost hope in her exceptional child according being to loving Lorenzo by Jerry Adler Michaela would tell the Renzo everyday. You are special. You are the most important boy in the world. She only took breaks at night when it was Augusta's shift to care for their son after work Michaela described her marriage as ships passing passing in the night. People often ask them. Why didn't they put Lorenzo in some kind of facility which would care for him without disrupting their lives as much? Those people didn't understand that Lorenzo wasn't inconvenience to the Adonis. He was there darling boy and and he became their sole reason for living. Lorenzo was the center of their lives figuratively and literally. They placed his bed in the main room of the house insisting that he wouldn't be shoved away hidden from the world they believed Lorenzo. Could still understand everything going on around him and made sure he felt involved in their day to day lives around a year. After the diagnosis the donets sent a letter to a family friend. Back in the Comoro Silence Maury Hassan. The team that helped Lorenzo learned French years ago. The letter told Amaury about about Lorenzo's health and asked if he would come and assist them in taking care of him. Maury immediately agreed when Amaury arrived in America. Agusto warned him that. Lorenzo wasn't the same precocious boy. He wants new even with the warning. Omori wasn't prepared to see the emaciated and emotionless Lorenzo. Maury thought back to the boy that he used to build sand castles and fly kites with the prodigy child L. to help teach your Maury English could now only make involuntary grunts. Maureen knelt down and grabbed Lorenzo's hand. He remember number two song that they used to sing together. An island song with words he knew. Lorenzo couldn't pronounce the to use to laugh as Lorenzo. Messed up the lyrics inevitably blaze singing gibberish now. When Amaury sang the song to Lorenzo all Lorenzo could do was turn his head and wiggle a finger omori amaury looked at Michaela? He could tell on her face that she hated seeing Lorenzo like this but he also sends a determination in her Michaela. Michaela often referred to as Lorenzo's mother tiger was going to save her son. Maury decided to help in any way he could over the next few days. The Adonis explained Ale de to amaury in detail training him on how to care for Lorenzo. Maury made sure to start right each day at the Adonis home by coming into Lorenzo's room and greeting him. He knew that his old friend still felt his presence. Every Minute Maury was carrying for Lorenzo Agusto and Michaela were researching. LD though in one thousand nine hundred eighty five researching such such an obscure subject was difficult. Augusta used to wish he had a personal computer. Something that wasn't in every home back then but a- Gustavo Oh Kevin at it he knew if they could figure out how oleic acid decreased the FAA levels then. They could figure out other ways to help help Lorenzo. Suddenly he had an idea if two different fads which attacked VLC F. A. were ingested at the same same time Lorenzo's body would be so busy with the good fats. It wouldn't have time to create excess V. L. C. F. A. if if they could combine the oleic acid with another mono unsaturated fat. It was possible Lorenzo's levels could be lowered even more. Maybe even completely over breakfast the next morning Agusto told Michaela that he figured out how they were going to save their boy. Oy Michaela responded. Bravo Papa you. Did it even without a computer in a couple more weeks of research agudo found found that larussa acid also lowered fatty acids however there was a problem. Most medical literature said that a ruzic acid was toxic in rats and mice. It might be toxic to humans as well. Their new theories seem to be a bust. I until they found a Canadian study that discussed how horrific acid was found in rapeseed oil a common food in Eastern Europe and India. This proved that a rubik acids toxic qualities had no effect on humans. They went back to the phones to find a company that would send it to them unfortunately no. US company had an edible form of the acid the donets expanded their search and eventually found found a company called Crow International in England. They spoke to a biochemist named Don. Suddaby who was wheelchair-bound from connectic disorder. Himself he was close to retiring but connected with the Adonis mission to save their son. Don spent the next nine eighteen months trying to extract an edible form of Larussa G- acid. He worked twelve hour days seven days a week. Finally a batch of the acid arrived at the Adonis door in December nineteen eighty-six Lorenzo's and de Dra agreed to be the Guinea pig. Once again after eleven days of taking the new oil. She went back to the doctor for another blood test. Her doctors called the O- donets convinced that there must must have been mistake divas levels for the first time in her life were normal. According to trying to will a miracle by Michael Ryan Dan. This was the first time in medical history that someone was able to kill very long. Chain fatty acids Lorenzo was close to being in a completely vegetative state and the Adonis discovery was the only hope and returning their son to normal with the blend of OLEIC SAIC and Larussa acid cure him. Thanks for listening to medical mysteries in part two will explore a Gustavo. Oh and Michaela's new treatment for Lorenzo and how a movie based on the family brought worldwide attention to AOL d but with that attention came aim widespread controversy including accusations that the Adonis were nothing more than snake oil salesman for more information on adrenoleukodystrophy dystrophy and Lorenzo Adani amongst the many sources we used we found trying to will a miracle by Michael Ryan extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of medical mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite Britt music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like medical mysteries for free from your phone desktop desktop or smart speaker to stream medical mysteries on spotify. Just open the APP and type medical mysteries in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. 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Adrenoleukodystrophy Pt. 1

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Adrenoleukodystrophy Pt. 1

"Agoo still a donate entered the master bedroom where his eight year old son Lorenzo. Lorenzo slept confined to his bed. And reliant. On a feeding to Lorenzo's mother Michaela had dutifully cared for him all day. And now it was a Gustavo's turn to watch over the boy in the winter of nineteen eighty six this had become their routine. A- Gustavo caressed rest Lorenzo shoulder seeing his son like this put him close to tears only three years ago. Lorenzo had been precocious five year old boy who spoke three languages. He loved opera and Greek mythology. He had around angelic face adorned with a charming smile. Lorenzo is is charismatic enough to get away with anything and he knew it but the boys life changed when he fell ill with adrenoleukodystrophy. A little loon disease that took away his hearing and sight as well as his ability to move swallow and speak within a matter of months now. His parents cared for Lorenzo. Twenty four seven in their Fairfax Virginia. Home they read to him play his favorite music and try to make his life as comfortable as possible. Doctors told the Adonis Lorenzo had two years to live at most. There was nothing they could do to save him. But that was something Lorenzo's parents wouldn't accept and on this night in one thousand nine hundred eighty six as Gustav watched Lorenzo in bed thinking thing about all the medical research done inspiration struck. Augusta's suddenly had an idea that would change the course of modern in medicine an idea which to this day is hotly debated but Auguste who was a father. And he'd try anything to save his son's NHS life when our bodies he's fail we trust doctors to diagnose the problem but medicine isn't always an exact science. Sometimes it's a guessing game with life or death breath stakes. This is medical mysteries. A podcast original. I Mali and I'm Richard. Every Tuesday will look at the strangest real real life medical cases in history and the experts who raced against the clock to solve them as we follow. These high intensity stories will explore a medical medical research. That might solve the puzzle next week. In part two will analyze all the evidence in trying to find an answer. You you can find episodes of medical mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream medical mysteries for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type medical mysteries in the search bar at podcast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. This is our our first episode on Adrenoleukodystrophy. This rare genetic disease came to global attention. Thanks to Lorenzo Adani a young boy who is diagnosed diagnosed in one thousand nine hundred eighty four this week will explore the early years of Lorenzo's diagnosis and follow. His parents. Frantic search for a cure. Next next week we'll learn how Lorenzo's parents caused controversy in the medical community and how Lorenzo became a household name thanks to an Oscar Nominated Film Denial Anger Bargaining depression acceptance for some the five stages of grief start immediately after a grim fatal diagnosis. It may feel like your world is. He's literally collapsing as you. Sit in front of your doctor. Receiving the news even more devastating is grieving for your own child after they've been given in mere years to live. However even in the darkest of circumstances a glimmer of hope can survive after all there there is nothing more determined than a devoted parent and there were none more devoted than Augusto and Michaela Doni their son? Lorenzo was is borne in Washington. DC On may twenty ninth nineteen seventy-eight Augusto and Michaela donate a new right away. Their son would be special he he was a gifted child with a Cherub face and a mischievous smile and his parents believed he would grow up to be a genius after all a Gustavo and Michaela were geniuses in their own right. A Gustavo was an economist born in Italy who traveled the world. Aiding Developing Countries Michaela. A publishing editor was granted a Fulbright scholarship in her youth to study in Grenoble France while teaching English to locals with such an educated lineage. It's no wonder that Lorenzo is bilingual in Italian and English. By the time he was three years old his natural gift for languages continued to serve him. When in Nineteen Eighty Augusta moved the family to the Comoros Islands in Africa as an employee for the World Bank Gustavo? uh-huh accepted an assignment to create an economic plan for the small french-speaking nation. Lorenzo picked up the local language quickly. Thanks to a teenager named Maury three in exchange Lorenzo who was just a preschooler helped him with English. He was a natural at making friends in his new home. Well meeting local children for the first time. The three year old spoke his first full sentence in French SEM Worley Chef Sweden Amoah law translation. I'm the boss. Follow me. Michaela was astonished and a little embarrassed at the child's bossy confidence but that was Lorenzo. He was a natural born leader completely comfortable in his own skin. Michaela described her boy as a whirling dervish combination nations of Con Artistry and fair play. Lorenzo knew that he could charm anyone he met especially his older half siblings from gustavus. First marriage his brother Francesco who he called DOTTO and his sister. Christina who called Nina Michaela is quoted in the Washington Washington Post article fatally ill as saying he was so beyond my dreams that I said thank you practically every day. The an unusually bright child even enjoyed opera the Washington Post article in pursuit of miracle notes. A day when Gustavo Asked if he was enjoying poverty on the radio. Lorenzo replied Papa. You mean you don't know the difference between poverty and Placido Domingo. The family lived on the island for three years. According to the article trying to will a miracle by Michael Ryan in Lorenzo's spent much of these years sailing around the islands in his father's boat watching dolphins and wild monkeys in the lagoons. When the Renzo wasn't on the water he was reading Greek mythology and listening to classical music? It was an idyllic life for an exceptional boy. So however five-year-old Lorenzo's idyllic life changed when his family moved back to the outskirts of Washington in DC in one thousand nine hundred eighty three teachers. At Lorenzo's Montessori School notified his parents that he was having trouble concentrating. Andrew who is throwing tantrums in Class A Gustavo and Michaela couldn't believe the teachers were talking about their mild-mannered Lorenzo. But Lorenzo was soon soon having daily tantrums at home as well he became angry at the slightest thing and wasn't shy about kicking and screaming in public. The outbursts often left the child exhausted. His parents thought that behavior was due to Lorenzo adjusting to his new life in America. Ah this wouldn't be that unusual. According to the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry moving can be difficult for children particularly particularly those in kindergarten which Lorenzo was entering at this time a child who is emotionally affected by a move can experience depression irritability ability social withdrawal and other mood and behavioral changes. But his tamper wasn't the only thing changing Gustav recalls trying to teach Lorenzo a puzzle game outside of school. The usually bright Lorenzo was too confused to understand after that Lorenzo started started slurring. His words this again was all chalked up to the move since he was transitioning back to speaking only English after three years of speaking primarily French on the Comoros Islands. People joke that the slurred speech was just him becoming Americanized but on Christmas. Nineteen eighty-three Lorenzo fell off his bike. A week later he fell again in his room. He was having an increasingly increasingly hard time with his balance and coordination so Augusto and Michaela brought Lorenzo to interrupt gised. The doctor ordered a cat scan Gan and said there were no irregularities Lorenzo's brain. He assured the Adonis Lorenzo was a fairly normal four year old boy perhaps just mildly Lee hyperactive hyperactivity refers to an abnormally high state of activity often present in those with attention deficit hyperactivity pretty disorder or Adhd a child with hyperactivity could be constantly. Fidgeting have trouble concentrating or have problems albums was quiet activities such as reading but reading was something. Lorenzo excelled at sometimes doing it for hours at a time. His parents I thought the hyperactivity diagnosis made no sense at all. What the Adonis didn't know? was that the radiologists that administered the cat scan. It did notice abnormalities in Lorenzo's results however the neurologist ignored these findings then within four months of the cat scan. Lorenzo started having strange lapses in memory. Agusto had to lead Lorenzo to his classroom every day because Lorenzo Renzo couldn't seem to remember where it was he also continued to have trouble with his balance. His symptoms resembled those of a stroke victim. Psychologists even suggested that he was brain damaged soon after the memory lapses began. His parents asked his teachers to be on the lookout for for any strange behavior. The teachers reported back that Lorenzo was often unruly or disoriented and couldn't follow lessons. They suggested he might have an auditory processing problem. Michaela also noticed Lorenzo's auditory difficulties. Lorenzo told Michaela that he didn't want to go to school anymore because he didn't like how noisy it was according to Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center having trouble with noisy. Noisy areas is a symptom of audio processing disorder. Children with this kind of disorder have trouble remembering directions focusing in loud rooms or telling the difference between similar words such as cat and hat around this time. Lorenzo got the flu when his mother was reading to Him. He interrupted her and asked if she could read louder when she obliged Lorenzo said he still couldn't hear her. You're Michaela called her husband telling him that there was something wrong with their sons hearing alarmed. Augusta left work and raced home. Aw Doctors couldn't find anything wrong with Lorenzo's ears but it was clear that he had sudden and extreme hearing loss. His parents were directed to Dr Dr Donald Fishman one of Washington's top neurologists Fishman noticed irregular formations in Lorenzo's brainwaves. These results and Lorenzo symptoms reminded Doctor Fishman of an article. He had read about a devastating disease. Called Adrenoleukodystrophy we know Luca dystrophy also known as L. D. it was largely unknown in the medical community at the time according to Gustavo Fishman himself wouldn't have even known it existed. If it wasn't for the single article I recognized in Nineteen twenty-three Al Diese as a progressive genetic disorder that affects the spinal cord adrenal glands and the nervous system Ale de attacks protective. Sheath that coats the brain's neurons called mylan when the mylan is destroyed neurons become unable to control the body's muscles or central nervous system simply put the brain loses its ability to tell our arms to move to swallow according to the Stop Ale de Foundation Asian. Al D affects one in eighteen thousand people in the beginning Stages Childhood Ale D. I presents itself behaviorally. behaviorally like Lorenzo's temper tantrums. Then as the disease strips further away at a person's mylan they become blind deaf half and paralyzed. It usually turns fatal within two to five years of diagnosis while Ale is very rare. Lorenzo symptoms fit the description. Doctor Fishman quickly admitted Lorenzo to a children's hospital for testing if he did have adrenoleukodystrophy time was of the essence after being admitted to the hospital. Lorenzo's blood samples were sent to Dr Hugo Moser director of the John. F Kennedy the Institute for Handicapped Children in Baltimore. The Columbia graduate born in Barron. Switzerland was the leading authority on AOL de working in their lab. Dr Moser and his wife had created a blood test that could diagnose the disease in nineteen eighty-one prior to this is test l.. D. was diagnosed with an adrenal biopsy or more commonly with an autopsy in April Nineteen eighty-four a month before Lorenzo's six birthday Dr Moser's test results San Lorenzo's blood came in Doctor Fishman. The SAT Agusto and Michaela down in a windowless room. With a matter of fact tone doctor Fishman simply said it's L. D. it's neurologically progressive and children's survive on an average two to three years after diagnosis agoo. Still asked if there were any exceptions to which Dr Fisherman replied now. He told the parents that Lorenzo would lose his ability to walk his sight his speech and soon soon his life alien children is essentially a death sentence. Augusto and Michaela knew everything. Lorenzo loved playing thing with friends opera reading classic stories of Heroes and villains. All of this was about to be taken away from him by his own body. Of course course. He didn't know that yet but his parents did their brilliant Lorenzo was supposed to grow up happy and achieve great things but now it seemed he wouldn't get the chance a Gustavo called his daughter. Lorenzo's half sister Christina. His voice trembled as he gave her the news. WHO's the doctor told us to go home and pray? There's nothing to do. Meanwhile Michaela was on the phone with every priest and friend she. She knew asking them to pray for her boy. Augusto and Michaela couldn't accept the horrible diagnosis and sought a a second opinion. They went to Dr Moser directly and he confirmed Lorenzo's fate further. Blood work showed that Michaela was the genetic carrier carrier of the disease. It was likely this wasn't the first case of Alien Michaela's family. They later found out that her uncle who died in his forties ladies do to unknown causes probably suffered an adult form of the disease. Michaela was horrified that her own genes had delivered the devastating stating condition to her son. But if it was her body that gave Lorenzo the Disease Michaela decided that her mind and spirit. We're going to ended where other parents may have resigned themselves to their grim fate. The Oh donets thought that may be what happens to everybody else else but not our kid coming up a boost and Michaela hit the books to find a cure for Lorenzo. Hi It's molly. It's no mystery that I'm an animal lover. That's why I am so thrilled to tell the podcast. Latest Series Don Tales. Dog Tales tells the true stories of heroic canines who have gone above and beyond their best friend in duties. The dog and my life is named Corona. He's a rust. 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Gene children usually succumb to the disease in two to five years but Lorenzo's parents resolved to save their son's life in the ECE Lorenzo Gupta recalls one day soon after the diagnosis when he brought Lorenzo to the town pool. Lorenzo had loved swimming before for his diagnosis. He jumped into the pool excited to play. Gustavo soon realized Lorenzo was no longer his old self he had completely -pletely forgotten how to swim and splashed helplessly in the water. Gustavo had to hold Lorenzo the entire time. They were in the pool. As one of of his son's favourite activities became a thing of the past in the pools locker room when Augusta's back was turned for just a moment. Lorenzo wandered away. Gustav searched everywhere but couldn't find him he called Lorenzo's name but got no response. Luckily another they're men found Lorenzo and brought the crying boy back to a Gustavo. Lorenzo was confused and disoriented. He hadn't returned at Augusta's frantic calls because he couldn't hear them or anything else. The disease had almost totally deteriorated. His hearing Agosto tried his best to give Lorenzo a normal life but everyday activities became more and more difficult one day. He brought Lorenzo to a football. All field where neighborhood kids were playing soccer. Lorenzo used to play the game back in the Comoros Islands when he was a healthy boy. Full of Energy T. but now L. D. had caused muscle spasms and the loss of his fine motor skills. Lorenzo couldn't stay upright for even one quarter. Lorenzo could only watch the other children play wishing to join in on the game. He broke down in tears knowing something was wrong but not understanding what Gustavo heartbroken cried along with him. They returned home where the walls were now padded to protect Lorenzo so he was losing his balance and falling down so much that it was all they could do to make sure he wouldn't hurt himself. The disease was progressing cing faster each day. Al Dis rapid development is related to the body's inability to remove excess amounts of of very long chain fatty acids or V. L. CF. They are a chemical found in most bodily tissues while healthy people. People have V. L. C. F. A. Males with AOL DE accumulate too much which creates degradation in their mile in. It's unknown exactly why this occurs but when the excess amounts of E. L. C. F. A. Strip mylan from the brain neurons it inhibits the the patients ability to eat comprehend language move and breathe the disastrous effects of excess veal. CF as in Ale de not only present themselves in men as the AL D gene is linked to the x chromosome. Women are born with two x chromosomes as opposed opposed to men who have only one since women have to usually one L. D. affected x chromosome is balanced by another healthy X.. Since men do not have a second X. They're L. D. gene runs rampant in their body in order to help lower the excess via L. C. The F. A. Levels in his AOL patients Dr Hugo Moser created diet that limits a person's intake of red meat and other saturated fats PAT's while it wasn't always effective it did seem to help some patients via L. C. F. A. levels stay within normal limits and and slow down Ale Dee's progression Lorenzo hated this diet often crying over the foods he could no longer eat beat and after about two months of being on it he had no change in his very long chain fatty acids. His parents asked Dr Moser any other treatments that they could try the article in pursuit of a miracle by Carla hall notes that the genius CBS. Lorenzo could tell something horrible was happening to him but his parents didn't know what to tell him. The disease was progressing so rapidly. They couldn't predict how it was going to affect him day to day. They tried to console him without scaring him. They insisted that. Mommy and Papa OPPA. We're going to help him. BEAT A L D but inside Michaela and Augusta were growing increasingly frustrated as they watched their son's body A. and mind erode. They decided to take his life into their own. Hands began researching a L D on their own in the hopes of finding a cure. They asked every doctor or researcher they could find about the disease. One resident Dr Dismissed questions saying to not bother looking into into. AMD because the literature on the condition was scarce which was true as we mentioned Doctor Fishman only new you to check Lorenzo for Al D. because he happened to read an article about it. He estimated that only fifty percent of neurologists even knew about the disease at at the time. Lorenzo was diagnosed according to trying to will a miracle by Michael Ryan L. D. had only been seen at about one thousand thousand American families the lack of knowledge about L. D. was the reason Lorenzo was initially mis-diagnosed in fact Lorenzo's says initial diagnosis of hyperactivity wasn't so unusual. The most common misdiagnoses Ale de our attention deficit disorder and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder Aka. ADHD other typical misdiagnoses included vision. Problems epilepsy epilepsy asperger's syndrome and even brain tumors. If the doctor had only told the Adonis there wasn't much information on AOL D it may have deterred them. That wasn't all he said according to the BBC news when Gustavo asked if he could read medical papers on L. D.. The doctor said don't bother you won't understand them. That was the wrong thing to say to the donets. It was true that as educated as a Gustavo and Michaela were in their respective fields. Neither of them had any sort of medical training but what they lacked medical expertise they made up for with strong wills and an unflagging love for their son. The dismissive comments sent the Adonis to the National Institutes of Health's library with a medical dictionary in hand from then on when she wasn't caring for Lorenzo the Michaela's spent her free time there whereas Gustavo used his lunch breaks to visit the George Washington University Library. They read about Al during the day. Hey and met up at home to share their findings bouncing ideas and research off each other well into the night. They hounded their biochemist friends with the questions hoping to understand the complex words and phrases they'd never heard before they intensely studied excess. VLC FAA's as and the role. They played in Ale the not wanting to lose their precious son they thought. What is the enemy in this business? The bad fatty acids. Let's find a way to kill them. After countless nights searching the catacombs of the Library Michaela branched off reading articles that weren't specifically about AOL D.. But in the same category storage diseases. According to the National Organization of rare disorders storage diseases are inherited metabolic diseases that are characterized by an abnormal buildup of various toxic materials. In the body's cells Michaela described disorganized way she zigzagged through articles as something that would make anyone anyone with scientific training cringe. Eventually she found a Polish medical study that examined genetic defects in rats within the English abstract of the article. She learned that the study lowered the fatty acid levels in rats by feeding them. Different fatty acids that counteracted. The ones they were trying to lower Michaela wondered if this technique could work in humans with high VLC FA levels. It was a theory that the donets kept in the back of their mind. However the more troubling thing they had noticed was that the greatest minds steadying A. L. D. worked in different fields and countries? All of these researchers labored in isolation and didn't directly share the results with each other her to rectify this. The Adonis formed a closer relationship with Dr Moser. The family wanted to bridge the gap between AOL the experts and and asked for Dr Moser's help organizing symposium. Maybe if all of these great minds were in one room it would lead to a breakthrough Dr. Dr Moser liked the idea but he didn't have the funds to support such conference Agusto immediately took out his checkbook and gave him six thousand thousand dollars. If the only thing that stood in their way was money it was a small price to pay for Lorenzo Gustavo and Michaela then went to to work raising more funds for the event. Thanks to an article about Lorenzo's journey and their fundraising in the Washington Post. The Adonis started receiving donations nations from sympathetic readers combined with the generosity of business associates family and friends. The funds soon reached thirty six thousand dollars. They were even able to convince to airlines to provide free flights for the thirty eight L. D. experts who hailed from North America Japan and Europe Europe to attend the conference thanks to the Adonis Dedication on October Twentieth Nineteen eighty-four. The Kennedy Krieger Institute in Baltimore held the First Worldwide Conference on Al de Augusta's Co workers. Family and friends ends volunteered. Free Rides and food for the experts was Gustavo cooking the final conference dinner himself according to fatally ill by. Hi Judy Mann. Doctors visiting the conference hope to understand the specific defective enzyme. That caused Ale. Enzymes are proteins that cause caused chemical reactions such as digestion and DNA replication in Ale de the enzyme responsible for breaking down via l.. CFA It doesn't work and thus the V. L. CF a rise to dangerous levels the Adonis took notes and all the lectures looking for the key. He that unlocked the door to occur sadly during the two day event no great discoveries were made it seemed like the whole conference conference was for nothing however just when their hopes had nearly been snuffed out an offhand remark by one of the doctors sent the Adonis running back home to save their boy coming up a Gustavo and Michaela invent a promising missing treatment now back to the story after their son. Lorenzo was diagnosed with a terminal illness in Nineteen eighty-four four a Gustavo and Michaela donate buried themselves in medical research to try and find a cure for his disease adrenoleukodystrophy dystrophy or a L. D. during their research they found that the leading minds in. AMD research worked in solitude so so they organized a symposium for the brightest doctors in the world to share their findings on am L. D. and collaborate on possible treatments in in hopes of saving Lorenzo. The donets saw their symposium Ale researchers as their saving grace. Unfortunately it looked like the conference was going to be a failure. That is until Dr William Rizzo of the medical. College of Virginia spoke about V. L. C. F. A. The excess acid that roads brain function in L. D. patients. Dr Rizzo discussed his findings on oleic acid a fatty acid which is found in olive oil oil as well as other vegetables according to Dr Rizzo awake acid might lower high. VLC F. A. Levels Michaela recalled the Polish that she'd read which showed dangerous fatty acid levels in rats could be decreased by counteractive fatty acids could combining signing these two studies be the breakthrough if they could give Lorenzo oleic acid maybe it would lower his VLC FA levels and bring him back to his old self however all Dr Rizzo Studies have been done in a test tube while oleic acid worked in that kind of study he. He didn't believe it would work on humans. He told the family that they shouldn't try to give it to Lorenzo because it could disrupt his intestinal tract but Lorenzo was running out of time. A couple of weeks later around Thanksgiving nineteen eighty-four. He was no longer able to walk when week after that. He lost his ability to speak according to in pursuit of a miracle by Carla Hall all after losing his speech. Lorenzo found other ways to communicate. He signalled yes or no with dramatic movements a deliberate blink link for no and a dramatic. Look to the right for yes unfortunately. Al De soon took away his ability to move his eyes at all with Lorenzo quickly deteriorating doctor Fishman told the family that he would likely die within weeks afterward. Michaela's sat beside aside Lorenzo. She told him to keep fighting the monster wreaking havoc on his body. He had to find another way to communicate. She stepped back back. And Sola Renzo wiggled his fingers. These wiggles became his signal for yes or no. He wasn't ready to give up just yet and neither were Gustavo and Michaela with no other options. They decided to try and find oleic acid even even if it's effects on humans were unknown. It was the only viable solution. They had so Michaela picked up the phone and started started trying to track down a source of oleic acid. She called chemical companies across the country. But all of the company's hung up on her when they found out she wasn't dr over forty companies refused to help her but Michaela kept calling. Finally she found a subsidiary of Stokely Joke Van Camp in Columbus Ohio that made an edible form of the acid in an oil the agreed to send it to the family because of Dr Dr Rizzo's warning that the oil could disrupt Lorenzo's intestinal tract. The family needed to test it before they gave it to him. Michaela's sister Deirdre Who moved in with the Adonis to help care for? Lorenzo stepped up to the plate. After Lorenzo's diagnosis every member of the family was tested for the Ale. The Jean de Dreux had tested positive for it and found out that she herself had high. VLC FAA levels. Since she was a woman it didn't affect her body like it did Lorenzo but Detroit agreed to take the Olympic acid oil and be their guinea pig. A Gustavo began again cooking all of dangerous food with the OLEIC oil after two weeks. Dangerous blood work showed that her V. L. C. F. A. Levels went down by fifty percent they blended the oil into Lorenzo's food immediately. Miraculously the OLEIC ACID had the same effect on Lorenzo. It cut his VLC FA levels in half though they remained two times higher than they should have been. The Olympic acids effectiveness impressed Dr Moser enough to start recommending oleic acid to other patients even though the acid didn't alleviate alleviate Lorenzo symptoms. He did outlive. Dr Fisherman's prognosis of just a few weeks. The donets believed the OLEIC. ACID was slowing down the disease's progression motivated by their success. They continued to search for treatments. That could save Lorenzo. Still aw while they were. Slowly making breakthroughs Lorenzo's health continued to decline Michaela. Left her job to take care of Lorenzo. During the day creating detailed lists and instructions for other nurses and medical professionals that visited the house. She was meticulous about the way they prepared aired his food and massaged his body proud of the fact that Lorenzo had never once gotten a bed sore so common in immobile patients. If if a nurse treated Lorenzo with any ounce of disrespect they were fired immediately. Michaela's care plans were applauded by every doctor that came no no Lorenzo story according to the Myelin Project A nonprofit organization researching Ale de Michaela dedicated her life exclusively to Lorenzo. She sacrificed any type of entertainment for herself and set by Lorenzo side reading him stories or are playing classical music she caressed him convinced that he still felt comforting tach and sought to make their home as comfortable for him as she possibly possibly could. Michaela courageously watched Lorenzo get weaker and weaker but never lost hope in her exceptional child according being to loving Lorenzo by Jerry Adler Michaela would tell the Renzo everyday. You are special. You are the most important boy in the world. She only took breaks at night when it was Augusta's shift to care for their son after work Michaela described her marriage as ships passing passing in the night. People often ask them. Why didn't they put Lorenzo in some kind of facility which would care for him without disrupting their lives as much? Those people didn't understand that Lorenzo wasn't inconvenience to the Adonis. He was there darling boy and and he became their sole reason for living. Lorenzo was the center of their lives figuratively and literally. They placed his bed in the main room of the house insisting that he wouldn't be shoved away hidden from the world they believed Lorenzo. Could still understand everything going on around him and made sure he felt involved in their day to day lives around a year. After the diagnosis the donets sent a letter to a family friend. Back in the Comoro Silence Maury Hassan. The team that helped Lorenzo learned French years ago. The letter told Amaury about about Lorenzo's health and asked if he would come and assist them in taking care of him. Maury immediately agreed when Amaury arrived in America. Augusta warned him. That Lorenzo wasn't the same precocious boy. He wants new even with the warning. Omori wasn't prepared to see the emaciated and emotionless Lorenzo. Maury thought back to the boy that he used to build sand castles and fly kites with the prodigy child L. to help teach your Maury English could now only make involuntary grunts. Maureen knelt down and grabbed Lorenzo's hand. He remember number two song that they used to sing together. An island song with words he knew. Lorenzo couldn't pronounce the to use to laugh as Lorenzo. Messed up the lyrics inevitably blaze singing gibberish now. When Amaury sang the song to Lorenzo all Lorenzo could do was turn his head and wiggle a finger omori amaury looked at Michaela? He could tell on her face that she hated seeing Lorenzo like this but he also sends a determination in her Michaela. Michaela often referred to as Lorenzo's mother tiger was going to save her son. Maury decided to help in any way he could over the next few days. The Adonis explained Ale de to amaury in detail training him on how to care for Lorenzo. Maury made sure to start right each day at the Adonis home by coming into Lorenzo's room and greeting him. He knew that his old friend still felt his presence. Every Minute Maury was carrying for Lorenzo Agusto and Michaela were researching. LD though in one thousand nine hundred eighty five researching such such an obscure subject was difficult. Augusta used to wish he had a personal computer. Something that wasn't in every home back then but a- Gustavo Oh Kevin at it he knew if they could figure out how oleic acid decreased the FAA levels then. They could figure out other ways to help help Lorenzo. Suddenly he had an idea if two different fads which attacked VLC F. A. were ingested at the same same time Lorenzo's body would be so busy with the good fats. It wouldn't have time to create excess V. L. C. F. A. if if they could combine the oleic acid with another mono unsaturated fat. It was possible Lorenzo's levels could be lowered even more more. Maybe even completely over breakfast the next morning Agusto told Michaela that he figured out how they were going to save their boy. Oy Michaela responded. Bravo Papa you. Did it even without a computer in a couple more weeks of research agudo found found that larussa acid also lowered fatty acids however there was a problem. Most medical literature said that a ruzic acid was toxic in rats and mice. It might be toxic to humans as well. Their new theories seem to be a bust. I until they found a Canadian study that discussed how erotic acid was found in rapeseed oil a common food in Eastern Europe and India. This proved that a rubik acids toxic qualities had no effect on humans. They went back to the phones to find a company that would send it to them unfortunately no. US company had an edible form of the acid the donets expanded their search and eventually found found a company called Crow International in England. They spoke to a biochemist named Don. Suddaby who was wheelchair-bound from connectic disorder. Himself he was close to retiring but connected with the Adonis mission to save their son. Don spent the next nine eighteen months trying to extract an edible form of Larussa acid. He worked twelve hour days seven days a week. Finally a batch of the acid arrived at the Adonis door in December nineteen eighty-six Lorenzo's and de Dra agreed to be the Guinea pig. Once again after eleven days of taking the new oil. She went back to the doctor for another blood test. Her doctors called the O- donets convinced that there must must have been mistake divas levels for the first time in her life were normal. According to trying to will a miracle by Michael Ryan Dan. This was the first time in medical history that someone was able to kill very long. Chain fatty acids Lorenzo was close to being in a completely vegetative state and the Adonis discovery was the only hope and returning their son to normal with the blend of oleic Laic and Larussa acid cure him. Thanks for listening to medical mysteries in part two will explore a Gustavo. Oh and Michaela's new treatment for Lorenzo and how a movie based on the family brought worldwide attention to AOL d but with that attention came aim widespread controversy including accusations that the Adonis were nothing more than snake oil salesman for more information on adrenoleukodystrophy dystrophy and Lorenzo Adani amongst the many sources we used we found trying to will a miracle by Michael Ryan extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of medical mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already. 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"Coming up on all about Android this week. We're going to discuss Google's Android concession to the EU. We've got amazing photos to show off for the pixel three. We've got a hands on with Matteo Doni on the wall way, may twenty throw, and we'll talk a little bit about some of the other way devices that were announced that their event and palm has this tiny new phone that we're gonna talk about all that and more coming up next on all about Android. Casts you love from people, you trust. This is. This episode of all about Android is brought to you by last pass, secure every password protected entry point to your business. Join over forty three thousand businesses and start managing and securing your company's passwords today. Learn more at last past dot com slash twit and by digital ocean, the easiest cloud platform to deploy manage and scale applications over one hundred fifty thousand businesses rely on digital ocean to remove infrastructure friction and deliver industry leading price performance, sign up today and receive a free one hundred dollars credit at DO dot CO slash twit. Welcome to all about Android episode, three hundred and ninety. One recorded on Tuesday, October sixteenth twenty. Eighteen your weekly source, the latest news hardware and ask for the Android faithful Jason, how and on Ron Richards, and I'm Florence ion Hello to the three of us combat Jason. Thank you. It's good to be back on the guys ended list you last week. Yeah. I mean, that's the excitement such a hard episode dimiss we do this show and that's the episode that I ended up not being here for. I wanted to be here with you guys, but you held down the fort fantastically. I'm not gonna lie. It was a little fun to do it without you. It's okay. I mean, it was. Challenge and I'll be, I'll be sure to tell you though that the next day and the day after I remembered all the things we forgot to mention, I was like, Jason. Yes, e c don't ever. Let me go on vacation again. Better than to actually brains are better than three to be completely honest, because we have Matteo donate returning once again, and I'm pretty sure sacrificing his sleep. Did. Did you wake up for this show? Matteo. New. I've actually just got back from an event will be talking about s- they told him to thanks for having me back on the show. So you've been at the events which we will talk about later in the show and they've wind you and they've dined you and it's amazing that you're upright right now. Is that right? Thank you. What I thought knows. Maybe we'll be talking about assassin wearable device. Again, we'll see how that works out. Yeah, we'll see if it rolls off the tongue quite as magically as it has in the past Matteo Doni of course, tech travel geeks dot com, and frequent guest always great to have you on Matteo thank you for jumping on once again with us. We really appreciate it. We will well, maybe I should say this subscribe twit dot TV, slash a if you have not already, but you probably have. But if you haven't, there you go now, Victor, it's time for the news. Welcome back Jason. And here's an. That was my favorite. Sincere. I know that's all I really had to be originally. Thank you. It's great. ABC news. I love. Something about like still still free. It's Android news. Still not charging for it, Android news. I think they'll do. Yeah, I agree. I agree. With the way you went froze. Appreciate minimalism. Yeah, you really spiriting with some minimalistic approaches to this new from her. I really appreciate that. Okay. So Hiroshi lock Heimer announced on the Google blog that Google is going to start to charge Android device makers in Europe. So this is Europe only in order to place the Google play store and Google apps and services onto their phones. The first time they've ever done this, the new licensing fee was instated as a response to the EU's five billion dollar antitrust ruling that we talked about last July AO going to continue to be free. Chrome bundled with Google search is also going to continue being free. But things like the play store g mail calendar and YouTube. Those are all going to require a as yet unannounced. Yeah, strange unannounced licensing fee in order for device manufacturers to include them. And I think this this enables device manufacturers to do something really interesting. We haven't seen on Android at least not Android with Google's absence services on there, which is to mix and match for them to really decide like we want these components. We don't want these. Usually they would ship on the layer and they'd be kind of baked in and included that way. Now it's really kind of up to the manufacturers in Europe to decide what pieces they want. And I imagine play store will make a lot of those because everybody wants to play store right. But and also the manufacturers gonna decide how much more they're going to charge the end user. So job Europe. Yeah, right. You know, I mean, you have to imagine that if there's licensing fees suddenly being charged like they're not gonna have the, the manufacturers of the devices aren't going to be the ones to pay that we'll probably roll off onto the consumers and they're already very expensive overseas. Yeah, devices? Yeah. Sell. If if only we knew someone who lived overseas anyways, next story. Oh, wait a minute, no materials Matteo. I wanna hear Mateos fight of it because I mean, this is going to affect you. We're fine. I'm Sandton by this. We already discussed this when the original judgment was passed earlier this summer and I was on happy then I'm just as unhappy now. It's really sad that it's up to this point. But then again, I'm sure that as all well run businesses do they'll find some way to carry two to implement these charges, but find a way around then. So I wouldn't be surprised to to see Google saying, well, by a license from us for these at and we will do some coup marketing around your device through Google channels or give you x. amount of of absence credit for whatever. Appetizing. Credit manufacturers use this uncommon in other areas of business. So I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen in this instance as well. There's a governmental ruling regarding taxation or rules and calm. Comply, but there's always some way of making sure business goes ahead as usual. And that's the other question around Jason. You mentioned how they'll probably go for the Google play store because everybody wants that. But is this an opportunity for an alternative Google Playstore over the European flavor to emerge? Very well could be right any any time, something like this that has been this way for so long anytime that that's disrupted, that's always a window of opportunity for someone to come in and possibly get involved. Although they're, they're going up against, you know, the the gorilla in the room, which is Google. It's really hard to compete Amazon, you know, of course they can still companies like Amazon that are shipping, Android, that's completely stripped of all of this. Nothing changes for them. As far as I can tell, they're still able to do things the way that they are and they have shown that they can be at least competitive to a certain degree. So it's not out of the realm of possibility. Bully boy, exactly. These changes are going to begin October twenty ninth. So not soon and and also should be noted that Google is appealing. They are still in the process of appealing this decision at the EU. So it's possible. I don't know how likely it is, but it's possible that something gets reversed. And at some point they would have to change things. How do we feel about kind of, you know, we don't talk about fragmentation or the f. word very much these days, but this is kind of that, right? Like in the European market. This is gonna fragment things to a certain degree even more than we think that's going to have any sort of trickle down effect. It depends. It depends on what the results are. Depends on what manufacturers play long, which ones don't like that mix. You know, what is the offering that is available in Europe and that will drive whether you know it could be the license fee could be so minimal that they all play along and it's no different. Yeah, Samsung will be fine. They've got. They've got all their own versions of everything anyway, so they could just be like, oh, this is great. Finally, people will only use our stuff so that'll be that'll be a win for them. I don't know if it'll create fragmentation among people as much as it will create fragmentation for Google because it's going to fragment it services across the world, and it's going to have a different impact in different regions based on this. And so it's almost like maybe Google should start thinking about something else well or elsewhere. Well, yeah, if and if it does like we're, we're kind of on the on the cusp of of seeing some of these moves here in the US, right? Like this is kind of bubbling up. This could serve as the template for. If in win that happens, right. If if the ish really hits the fan, this could be that template and they've, they've kind of done that work in advance, and this gives them chance to kind of ramp up and you know, develop that out, however, whatever way is going to go. So I also, I guess I don't know how this works, but I mean, is this this isn't going to affect those of us visiting? No, I don't think so. Unless you buy a phone, right, right. I think it's just the devices that are sold in the u.. I'm trying to think what I'm trying to think. What happens when you start just buying. I mean, does that mean that Europeans will have to come here and basically by devices to have them unlocked the way that we would go to China by devices that are not sold here. I don't know. What do you think potato looks like? You got something. It depends. This is this is quite an interesting challenge from a question of booth device. Many. Softer. I says. And how to ensure that particular devices with particular software loads are delivered to set to markets. So obviously, Android is a great platform and as with mobile devices, the booth developers and the operating system have a lot of understanding of what's happening on the on on the device. So they can tell what nationality, the sim card green devices. They can tell what I p address folks, location of devices and they can setup device accordingly. So it's not necessarily the most straightforward of solutions, but ensure that they'll be able to do that. Yeah, yeah. In the same way that the different stock keeping units pair. Para device in particular Durance of the rices. Good south to markets and not others. All right. Well, we made it through an entire story where her Oshii lock Heimer wrote the blog posts, and we didn't even speak to her Oshii. But. Maybe where she had to do this. He didn't want. That's the difference. We'll give you a break. You can take the tide offer. She won't force you to come on our show tonight on next week, though, we would really appreciate it. Ron? Well, yeah, so so last week I thought I'd get to see our good friend of the show Sundar, but I saw her friend, Rick Osterloh instead who I don't believe has we have a little chatty bought for. But I was on Twitter this past weekend on Sunday with Leo in the panel, we were chatting about the Google event, and I was glad to talk about this story. I brought this up reminded everybody that throughout the entire keynote at the pixel of last week, Google never said the word, and you might think I'm saying apple, but it's actually Android similar to Samsung. Googled never said the word Android in the whole presentation, nine to five, Google actually reported this. They picked up on it according to the transcript of last week's event. The word Android was not mentioned a single time. Google's done this already with many of us products like Android pay, Andrew, Android messages, Android wear chrome OS. Now Chromos now refers to compatible, Android apps simply is apps instead of Android, Google focused a lot on chrome OS. And so this begs the question, why is Google backing away from the Android branding? Are they do? They think that the, the green Android is maligned. It we make. You think so because there was that was the big push. What was it to the first pixel right, same but different. That was the whole Android campaign. So no, same. But different came out before the pixel. Right. Was the last year of the next six pay right here? I think there was also a very similar campaign back in two thousand fourteen which is beat together, not not not the same. Be together, not the same. I remember that about the same, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. You don't. Samsung Samsung went through this too. I remember this exact story being a story that we talked about on this show probably like three years ago and it was woes. Samsung just had their keynote and they never said Android once. And we just kind of all Sumed. That is because Samsung has its own thing, and it wants to detract distract away from the fact that it's Android because Samsung gets nothing out of the fact that it's Android, but it gets everything out of the fact that it's a Samsung device and that marketing has really worked for Samsung. It's just interesting that Google is the creator of Android yet that's their their approach to. Beginning it wasn't Android. It was droid. It was marketed by Verizon or I mean, for. That was that was success by marketing. Successful marketing in the way it was successfully marketed because when you talk to somebody about an Android phone, they don't think of it. The call it a droid or they call it a galaxy. Yeah. So that's what people call it all depends. It all depends on whatever their first experiences when I whatever their first phone is into that into that world. True. But I think this is less about them backing away from Android and more about leaning into Google. Yeah. And the assistant GM is a big part of it. The the assistant that does all the magic like Android is Android is great, but it's not doing the magic that is being sold to us on the marketing and as yeah, and that's the thing. I mean, like rule has a strong brand presence. They've been around for twenty years now, stock prices crazy. Everyone knows what Google is. Right. And then so much so much of that. We talked about this last week, so much of the presentation was, yeah, here's the hardware, but this is the what the power of Google has hardware is the computational support. You know, the computational stuff on the chip and using our cloud servers and doing all this. When you buy this phone, you're tapping into the power of good. She'd learning. But he's nailed it there on. I agree with what you're saying. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. And this is a great segue though, because Jason you, you've been on the reservation, you've been away. What did you make of the event? Well, I mean, obviously I didn't watch the full event, so I've just seen the products after the fact. And I mean, I've got my pixel three preordered I got the white one k the not pink or whatever. I. Zoomed so that we would have one, I would order. It lasts a little splash of color. This one time I want to white. Last time I did black last week. We played the game, rank, three announcements. I would love to hear both Jason, what you Matana the thing, or the winners of the of the of the announcements Ray the promise. Yeah, it was the pixel slay the pixel three and the hub. Like what is the standout device. Three, two one. Oh, boy, that's really hard. I know that I know that the home hub is is, is low on my list. I don't really care much about now. So it's between the slate and the phone man, that's that's an impossible to city. I think I have to put the phone at the top. I, I have to say that the pixel phone is the most important thing. That's the thing that's going to sell more than the than the slate. Let's be real. You're gonna. They're going to sell more phones than they're going to sell us late. Indeed, but I'm very intrigued with the slate like I'm really, really interested in their idea of like recommitting to the tablet form factor. I want to see how much that changes versus what my experience with chrome OS on a tablet has been, which has been very hit and miss. And so hopefully on the slate, they've put in a little bit more work into that. I have to imagine that they have so that that won't be that won't be kind of, you know, step by step as much as it has been for me in the past. You know what the pixel slate and the pixel have in common the name pixel. No. Google? Yeah, just hunting in your point run. Yeah. Well, that's that's exactly why why I completely agree. And I, it sounds like we're on the same page like that's why this was a made by Google event, not an Android event, not pixel event. Now it was made by Google Google Mason stuff. Yep, it hired some people to make it some stuff, and it did all of the fancy stuff on the back, all the machine learning school, that data. Made a product? Yeah, for you and we put it in this little shell. Know and maybe one day you don't want that shell. You want a different shell. Guess go get a new shell. It's also called best buy target. I thought I thought you were going all existential. That's where my mind was going. Well. Matteo. How would you rank things? Yeah, so unconcerned be the wheel here and say that I was most excited by the home hub to start off. You me. Yumi brother. You may lie. Page. What what about. And the reason is, is aids very affordable. It's not a true impulse, I, but for people who want to make their homes smart and have a window into the Google ecosystem. I think it's a great product and I'm going to be getting one myself. And I think that that point is very, very sweet because it makes it available to almost everyone. Of the rest of the Google portfolio has priced itself in that premium category, which in a way makes it inaccessible to many. And I think this is a bit against the whole philosophy of firstly, Android products, and then Google products is that they should be acceptable to everyone. And for that exact reason of the pixel three in the pixel XL in second place. As far as smart fans go there, not too high in price, they, they actually are accessible to those who want a high end smartphone and put the pixel slate of the bottom because of the pricing. It starts at reasonable pricing, but you get the relatively underpowered chipsets. You need to buy the keyboards and stylists separately. So I was very disappointed with the level of pricing. They puts it that, especially in the context of there's competition on a completely different platform with Mike soft surface go. I have recently purchased one and very happy user. The soft service go because it does everything I needed to do. It's a four double. So I think that that's my order is I'm very happy with the home hub. Second place, the pixel three and pixel three excel. I was quite disappointed. It'd with the pixels late. Interesting. We're all across the map, I think so totally. Anybody was the same in that group. I guess in that case, Google did a pretty good job. All those things have in common. They were made by Google by. I didn't all those things also have some very nice hipster reviews with, of course, in tonk music in the best thing. It was the the, the, the music and these videos is getting to be too much. It's like. Yeah, it is flow. The pixel three pew. Oh, have my favorite is when they put it. Imagine dragons soundtrack. She went and there's just like the most epic lie. Okay. You know what is pro? Well, maybe not as epic is what I was describing, but definitely iterative is the pixel three camera. So we've got reviews that went live this week on the internet's if you've been on the internet slightly, there's been reviews. Everybody posted their review seen posted the review, the Burj, the review, BuzzFeed posted their review. They actually did a little different spin on its. Definitely check that one out. Every, you know, Android, central, everybody all the people. And so now we have samples of what it looks like between the pixel three and the other phones that are out there. So a couple of things to note is that the pictures are stunning are they are really good. I mean this dog does look cute and look how sharpen snuggle that dog. The way the way these go. Actually, it goes iphone. Ten is the first photo iphone. Ten, asses the second photo and then the pixel three is a third photo. So that's on the tweet right that that's sorry? No, no, no, that's okay. But it was, but that's actually a really interesting kind of side by side comparison. The first, like you said, the ten, the ten as an third one being the pixel. I mean, the differences are just, I mean, literally day, right? So. And that's the pixel three, which I'm assuming is using the new night-sight probably I forgot what they're called already, but it's definitely using that new little algorithm to lighten things up in their those deviled eggs. I can see him. She all the details on the plates. Yeah, they look taste. I'm definitely hungry right now. Are we surprised? I feel like I'm not surprised. I expected the pixel three is going to be worth worth the money that I dropped on it. No. I mean, I don't. I'm not surprised. I'm very impressed by this whole super zoom, whatever they call it thing. Oh, the super team. Okay. So I did check out some of the super Zubin. In some instances, it was kind of like me, you know, like if you took a super zoom of just like a random shot and you in it just looks like may maybe because the content. Yeah, maybe because the content was not that dynamic. So I haven't really studied like the super zoom on, you know, a pedal a flower pedal or a tree in the distance, like that's or maybe even a cat. Actually, I wish I had super zoomed this weekend because zoom. Sorry, I wish I had super resume over the weekend because there were two I was ping, which is the thing you do, and there were two woodpeckers just outside my window and they were just picking. And I tried to zoom in on those guys. Can't really tell what they're woodpeckers kind of bumped didn't come through for me in that moment. Blurbs. Yeah, they, they just look like little. Blobs knocking on a tree. Anyone else. I'm excited for Jason for you to get your phone and play with the top shot function because I think that's that that. At least, and I know that that has a similar, you know, kind of option because they take a little burst of video and you could choose from that. But like the whole Google AI recommending the best photo, fraught like that. Just the scene mind-blowing. I wanna see that in action, so, but yeah, these photos of great, I'm I'm interested in that, but there's always that little part of me. That's like, how? How do I know this is the best one. The trust, how the trust the sentence of the chip inside your phone, it's telling you what's better than what you're doing those other photos, and I'm going to keep the one that it says the best little. Do I know the Pulitzer prize winning photo in an alternate universe just got thrown in the trash look, super detailed. It looks like somebody went into light room and went to the the detail slider and just moved it up. Yeah. I mean, it looks good also looks. I mean, I really need to play around with the phone to to get my own opinion about it, but I, I'm worried about it looking like fake. Yeah, or like just to processed. Well, they've been doing lot processing a lot of AI processing and the last, especially in the last year have looked very much. So naturally snap a photo at the viewfinder in the pixel two. And then it comes. Out a completely different result because all that stuff happened in the background before you can even see it. It's just fascinating. Will it really replace the depth that can be provided by two separate cameras on the back? Nobody knows yet, but I'm sure we will eventually find out. We will find find out trying to figure out how I get back to my doc. How can you get back to the doctor? Syn dockside there's a video mail waiting for us. Oh, that's right. Now that the pixel three was announced Steve Senate a video mail, talking about the price what she got rolling roll at Victor, but you got Steve, you talking to us AAA. My name is Steve Boland in Saint Paul, Minnesota. I wanted to ask you guys to talk a little bit more on last week's show about the made by Google announcement, kind of skipping over the pricing on the pixel three, we've jumped to eight hundred dollars for the entry level version of the hardware from six fifty last year from what used to be under four hundred dollars for an entry level phone from Google. We're just getting priced out of the market. I th I think you guys talked a lot about all the cool stuff that was coming up, but that's a really steep price point. And I'm thinking a lot of us are going to be thinking about Android, one devices that we might have to import in order to get access to that pure Google experience without having to shell out. That much money every year. I think they've just crossed the line love to hear your thoughts. Thanks. That was my by the way for not mentioning the price actually because I was the one that was in charge of that news item and it was in the dock. I put it in there. I did, but we definitely out jas Jason be here to be or moral center. We definitely things like I said earlier in the show, you know, two days later, like always talking about that. Oh, well. Well. Looked at my Bank account and I was like, how much money did I just spent because I didn't think anybody when I didn't. I had no idea what I spent. I really realize the extent of what I had anyway. Steve is absolutely correct, and it's ridiculous that I still, I mean, there's three pixel three iterations of the pixel. And even though I didn't say last week I had mentioned it would Leo I, it kills me that they're not making a mid range, you know, like a lower cost addition were version of this, you know, going for this high end, you know, eight hundred dollars is ridiculous. I didn't buy it. What was the high end last year? Highest picci's. Really high end now. So am I probably about eight hundred dollars probably relatively close. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it wasn't seven hundred nine eight hundred base price base for the three. Yeah, for the sixty. Fourth of the pixel the pixel XL came in at eight forty nine. Okay. We're, we're talking similar price pricing area, right? It's still it's the hundred dollars on the smaller. Pixel three is it's a big shot. It's a big shot. I even was just like, oh, whatever. I'm just going to do it because whatever saw work. Yeah. Well, let me so much Texas can cover, but yes. Well, and and not everybody. I mean, almost no one listening is it probably a write off for them, you know? So. The point is the people out there who are wondering, you know that this is the phone that will be a big consideration. For Steve out there. The just a little note that you don't have to import Android one. Actually, you can buy Android devices on project fi for around four or five hundred dollars, but even still you're not gonna get the same Google assistant lead machine learned performance that all the other phones are getting at that price point and that is the real bummer because, yeah, I get it. It's supposed to be like a feature phone. And I I, that was a big question that a lot of people were asking me, and then I was like, oh crap. I did not think about this because I just like don't money was why? Why does the stuff cost so much? And I just I feel like the only answer is that it's to compete with everybody else because it certainly doesn't benefit me as a consumer to pay more like, I'm annoyed. What do you think Mattel, if you're ferociously nodding your head? Yes, I agree, obviously, good. We'll have had some position pick. So as a an aspirational product, they need to get that thing that's cool to have. And one of the few ways to do that effectively in the market is to make it out of three of many. Well, I don't agree with that. That is the way Google gone about it. And to a certain extent, they're very successful. So yes, I agree, Android one is probably the best solution to have that Google experience with some trade-offs. So you may remember a few weeks ago I had the show me eighty two and the Xiaomi eight to light and studio, and we were going through Android one devices, great devices, but there were some very big trade offs in terms of hardware such as new NFC or you had to settle for an older chipset like Snapdragon six to five and might progress be for charging or you'd have to sexual for new new headphone Jack courage for, so it's going to be difficult butts. Let's not forgets companies like l. g. are starting to to experiment with Android one. And I believe there's a variant of the l. g. g. seven with Android one that's been announced. I and may be coming to the US. Am not one hundred percent. Sure if it is coming to the US but hopefully it does. Just a little price history. Thanks to down climb in our chat. Next four sixteen gigs cost three forty nine the five thirty two gigs cost three ninety. Nine fifty dollar upgrade their next to six thirty two gig costs six forty nine. That was a big job. Next is five x thirty two gigs four thirty. So that was the lower price point there. The pixel original pixel thirty two gigs six hundred forty nine dollars pixel two thirty two gigs six hundred forty, nine dollars the peso three sixty four gigs seven hundred ninety nine dollars suddenly out of nowhere. One hundred fifty dollar jump. And so what you had there was the next five in the next six you had a that was next to six was when they went big right? The next day was my wonderful, perfect little phone that I used for years and the next six was the first big ones. That's the big price. And the next two. Six. And the pixel and the pixel two had the same price and we I, if I remember correctly, we applauded the fact that the high higher sized phone was stayed at six. Forty nine. And because it was. Portable and it wasn't a crazy, eight hundred dollar phone and now we have a crazy, eight hundred dollar phone. Yeah. True. Very, very good. Yeah, those two down climb. Thank you for we're gonna. We're gonna talk more about Android one in Email later in the so stay tuned for that. So I would like to to point out that some people would be happy to pay the hundred fifty dollars extra as a new notch tax on the pixel free standard size. Notch, people need to get over themselves. I mean, I'm serious. I'm. 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And not only is it hot, they've done what they did with the pen, the pixel XL it and give it all. That's great. This is arguably the critised phone of twenty eighteen while on a doubt, anyone will be able to overtake it, but we can go into that in a bit more detail. So to the I was a guest all quote, wait at in London at the launch of the hallway mate twin t series, and I'm going to series because they launched more than just one device. So what is the point? We made twenty, which is the standards or base model the while they mate twenty series. They won't the way meets twin Pru which is similar, but has some significant upgrades over meets twenty. The then also launched the while mate mate twin x. which is a family with seven point, two inch screen and same cameras. In the Kway meets twenty Pru. So significantly a bathroom device for some types such as gaming or consuming video without access to power for a long time and a teardrop notch see as they are being come, come to notch on that. Sorry, I should clarify on the may twenty acts the seven point inch version of this has the teardrop notch. So, yeah, why we have obviously embraced the notch have made the room to fast and extent, and as well as the also the while we decide the port designed quad way mates twenty are is which is what we've made twin prove with Porsche designs and strove design and know how adding some letter and some very strong reds and very black culinary push. Yeah, very first leather standings. They also launched the while way watched GT now. No giggling Rahman and Jason I to any through that l. many many moons ago too late too late. But yes, the way while we watch GT is the new coach which is felt very compelling products both in its base smart, watch features and specifications, but also in pricing because it starts one hundred one thousand nine euros. So it's going to be a very foldable smartwatch, and it's the what way won't choose. Wow, nd it's wound through good, very good. So obviously I would say arguably, many people would say that in the last couple of years, you know, kind of setting aside the designer, watch styles, but like the technology watches the original while way watch was. Oh, you walked into it was the original while way watch was one. Those, I don't know, light designs and then they follow it up and it wasn't nearly as impressive. Does this get back to the original design? Do you think? I think we've taken elements of regional design and the follow up while we watch to the more sporty on and they've it's rated on the internals significantly. So it's a new chipsets new. It has iae on the on the smartwatch, so there's a loss to like, and it also has a heart rate scanner and NFC. It's a very, very attractive. Watch in it soon. Like without being smart Welsh, it looks and feels that impressed. And in Paterson it's actually slimmer than I was expecting it to be. It's not as chunk as filter. It'd be slimmer for a large wrist or for. Wrist. Is is quite small and scrawny. So I'd say, okay, it's it's, it's come principle of Mirus. Okay. Hey, Victor, can you slut? Can you actually scroll through that page? Just look at the pictures of them on the wrist of there's absolutely no women on this entire page. This is not a watch me. You're right. It's sad. The whole page is just is just a dude sport in it and all the watches are super dude, like dude in their extreme I roll. I'm sorry, it's just like it's just it's just very hard for me to sit here and be like this watch. Sounds great. When it's like obviously not designed for me. No was wall way. There's no way to do this without tons of ws, hey, was was while way one of. Wanted to watch. What are the watches? The creative. One of the watch the women won't wear. Well, they have. I, I guess my point that you'll do. They had had one that is tailored more and it was a little bit smaller and or was it smaller? It was pretty okay. It was like a watch that you would wear as a piece of jewelry. So so why why? Why. Meanwhile way, why? I'm sorry, Metairie I just need to point that out. It's it's. It gets gets very frustrating when I see it, I can think of the women. Yeah, sui Asli. Oh, man. Control. I know why do we always go here? You need them. Elmer Fudd, obviously, this new KC straps, but there was no. Well, my bit first wraps either. What. All right, so so we've heard about the watch. I'm and the whole series of phones. I mean, they've got all of these different categories. It was small, large everything. What what appealed to you like what was the most impressive to you? So I've had been more hands on time with the quote way mate, twin proof, and this is the the twilight Guam, I'm holding. True things out to me. The first is the inscription, fingerprint scanner which is much faster than I expected. So there is new other fingerprint scanner on the device. You need to tap your finger on the screen in the touch area. Okay. And it just unlocks immediately. Impressively FOSS. Wow, that looks really good. So does that mean that you have to put your finger on that particular dot on that screen like that that's small little circle circular area? Or is it like the bottom third of the screen, all that's available? Or what is that? So they should be just that particular dulled on the screen. All right. And I haven't tried going all the rights above and below, and it doesn't work as well to how the immediate CUNY do that. Some optical fingerprints, which means that it will work with wet hands. One, it's similar to the one we saw in the owner, ten, which is great. If you are looking at the screen and you knew where to position your thumb, but there's new tactile fields where you're putting your hand the in our chat import. The thing is you with a fingerprint scanner. It's good to have some sorts of contour around the area where you're going to be putting your finger. So if it's on the back, you can feel the fingerprint scanner. If it's on the fronts, it's nice to have something around around the area so that you can feel it, but you don't have, but that's not the only way to unlock this device as well as poss- goods. They it also the twenty Prue has very advanced facial recognition system, which uses a system very similar to the iphone x. and food excess and iphone excess max. Which is works in the doc. It's three, the face scanning, and that's even foster. I was sitting there setting up at west. Miriam was also to house, and we were really impressed by how quick that face unlock is. It's really taken it. So the point twig, I have the feeling that I will be using face on walk more than I will the the finger unlock in the device. That's the reason for the not being much either on the meets twenty Prue and the course design meets twenty RS. So. Those are the two standout features that come to mind? I, they, obviously there's the overall designed, so lovely industrial design with curved screen at the edges, and the back is curved implant. So I believe someone it was a super Seth said that this is what happens when Samsung and apple have a lovechild. This is really an impressive vice to hold and to look at. It really feel feels amazing. Yeah, looks. It's. It's. It's as if the essentially what why did will say of de will look at what everyone else is doing, and we will make sure we do Victor. They've really thrown the kitchen Sinkat towns of design and also the the color of options. Those quite a wide number of colors available those colors. If you have the twilights one such the one of the I have, it's a plane gloss back. But the other ones have assessed and laser ching to to them so that the they're much easier to hold. They don't slip around as much and fingerprints on a visit as they as visible on them. So that's designed goes, it's really impressive. And at the back that one of the biggest features, industrial design is that a four dolts design module. And when before dots camera mode, Jill, I mean, there's this square with four dots in it. One is jewel tone LED flesh, and there's three cameras. That's one's a fourteen megapixel color camera the others at twenty megapixel colored camera. And then there's an eight megapixel debt sign. So at this differs from the way p twin Prue because there's no moon monochrome Saint. So that means that the EMMY, why software while we camera softer at can play with some other features and the main things that come from this, are you have the option school wide-angle with the twenty megapixel Saint so. So they've essentially. It's the why dangle lens into and in the US x. for the camera. So the u I use to control the camera. You can go from zero point six. Optical zoom to five primes loss Luis the loss list Digital's at passing by three times obstacles. And did they explain because I know while way has their own, you know their own, Karen chips in there that that are doing a lot of AI crunching similar to what Google is doing and and largely defining Google's pixel photo experience and and the results that we're getting there. That's pretty much similar to what always doing right. It is. So what they have is obviously the their own Kirin ninety chipset. This is a brand new, seven nanometer chips that which means the transistor's even smaller. The device becomes much more efficient and it's able to process more information with less power. So this has to NPS or mule neuro processing units. In means that there's two day to Kate to chips for a such as seen recognition, handling multiple exposures and blending into each or to identify issues such as issues such as low light and engaged as quite as nights moods so that the might smooths I've tested this on is really, really impressive. The mates twenty Pru is a step up from the p twenty proof, which was ready. An excellent camera phone. So. All this industrial design chipsets cameras is powered by anyway, nine, that's while ways under the solution based on Android, nine pie. So Google was on stage at this launch saying, how importantly, why way partnership is to them. And this is one of the first of I says, won't with Android pie on it and they were very happy about it. Obviously there lots of benefits to that around security. So the mate series is also aimed at enterprise much lie, but the Simpson notes series and they went through all the benefits of Android pie. The are implemented in emulate nine. This is another. Thanks for showing. This is another example of one of the features of the camera calls. They have a wide angle lens and the the. Amazing camera setup with lak- lenses. They can do my crew photography. You can be up to two point, five cents meters, prominent object, and you can zoom in them. The detail of the cogs of that watch. That's good. I deliberately took this one with light reflection on the gloss to that make can isn because you can see how well and naturally the camera softer has handled that. I mean, that looks really good. There's a lot of detail on there, and I feel like I feel like macro has really kind of fallen to the wayside. I feel the on camera phones. Yeah, it's, yeah, exactly. They've gone wider and macro comes in really handy on some pictures, and I always wished that I had better macro performance. Yeah. Zoom zoom in on that. That's really detail. That's crazy thing. Truly not. Wow, that's really nice. So question yourself, do you really need that magnifying glass more. Good point. Yeah, so, okay. Well, this is really impressive. And you know, again, probably probably worth pointing out while way in the states has maybe less of a presence, but everywhere else in the world. Why is giant Norma's? I mean, one of the biggest phone makers in the world. So these events, I, I feel like get less play here in the states and less attention and everything that doesn't detract from its importance. These phones are a really big deal while way were sold here more mainstream, or I guess more widely. I mean they would be the biggest competitor that Google has in terms of AI. Yeah, cameras, right? Yeah. The to mention it, their interface, like I, I just know from some people in my life, like their interface tends to attract to the people who don't really want like an apple product but want the performance of one. And so. You know they've got that niche going for them. Yeah. Interesting. Wow. So you to to use young person's language. Are you saying, quote way would be woke. Oh, move on. We may have killed that. If you if you go back a bit the to the, there's some pictures. I. Allow Matteo after that. We've sanction run. I'll just explain some was really impressed as so there's a selfie with Milliman. I as some challenging lighting conditions. So this lighting rights behind us, which with moose moose, selfie, cameras would struggle to pick up the the people in the forefront because of that lightening. And if you go forwards while there's one with me with all the lighting behind me and it still manages to see my my face, which is impressive as far as that, and that's again computational photography at work. It took multiple exposures blend to them understood what was in the foreground of what was in the background and came out with a usable picture. I tried taking the same picture on on by black bricky one, and it was unusable. I was completely in the dock. In that context, you're in the done. If you go forwards one, one of the things I wanted to show this is using wide-angle lens. This is what you see it zero point, six times, Zun zoo. And then the next few is increased in this one time zoom and this is three times optical zoom. So completely lost Lewis. And then the next one further in is five times loss Luis Digital's in. It's pretty good. A little bit of softening, but it looks pretty good. It's still you can still read the sign. What are you couldn't do so in the original two shots? Absolutely. That gives you an idea of the range of it, and so I was really impressed by that right on moving on. There's another few examples they have there. So this is something quite freaky, which walls to. I hope it was purely to give us a some under a chance to use that wide-angle lens. They had some very shiny costume play these on stilts walking around the positive floor. Of course they did, and it was really quite impressive in again, very light conditions with very bright light sources on stage and behind this. It was a good way for them to catch capture. How good these cameras out in challenging conditions here you see, Michael Fisher super-safe and myself. We were just about to take a selfie and skillfully the in instill some Chinese next turn, and we will kommt. It's not that happens. You know, this is an example of really Lou light picture and handled gracefully you can actually see Michael fishes impeccably gruden's facial hair here. I mean, you kind of can. So are, are you going to be posting a full review of this on tech Travelgate. So where can people find kind of your full right up on this? Yes, you can see the. I've already done him boxing that visible on the take title geeks, YouTube channel over the next few weeks. So be going in that in the camera to the use of the device will be getting used to the in screen fingerprint reader and face on unlock and covering that one take travel gays. So yes, Tocqueville dot com. And the take trouble geeks, YouTube channel. And I think these some initial impressions out from all some some other friends of the show. So as we saw microfiche was there million was at the launches well, and she seemed very positively impressed by the may twenty Pru. Yeah, I just a quick note. Everyone who is there that I knew was a bit. Disappointed that the mate pointy aches. Let's seven point. Two inch of the mate wasn't coming to their markets because this is the one with the Louis price point, the biggest battery and the biggest gaming and media consumption credentials as in the space sheet is is really impressive for that, and it's a nice big screen. It's an led screen. So that's the only slightly less positive note of this event is he. He let things up. So that things I'd say for the this launch, their two things to take away one while we have length of the last few years and now have a really, really polish way presenting launching product. In this case, a whole series of products and the other, they will not afraid to. Goo feature by feature of the new smartphone and compare it to apple products into Samson products and the then some of the presentation saying, we have the best smartphone now, and I think the consensus in the group of people at the launch and other people have spoken to online since, is that what we have out of the ballpark with this one looks really nice. I can't wait to get one kind of in the studio so we can see firsthand pod at a little bit checkout kind of its picture taking capabilities. I'm so jealous. I'm Joan jealous Matteo. Yeah, toilet is is amazing of itself, but so is that little red Buckton? Yeah, I'm a fan of the raven. I like Paul thing. Yeah, you know Ron and his bling runs a big fan of blinks saying, I am. You know it doesn't have as much bling but makes a great gaming. Phone is actually another phone release that came out in this onslaught of phones that are some getting launch now. I yes. And actually this one is costs as much as the pixel three. So it is he razor phone to? Yes. This gaming phone is out. People have been talking about this for a while. It's got a five point, seven inch. I g oh, l. c. d. display with a one hundred twenty Hertz refresh rate which is crazy fast. Snapdragon eight forty five between six thirty GPU and eight gigs of memory packed into this little package. It's got vapor chamber cooling system, which sounds something sounds like something you'd put into your PC and which is which is exactly why it sounds like that your car. Yeah, it's got a Dobie. Atma certified audio. Twenty-three bit DAC dual front facing speakers, which is something that is becoming more standard these days. Thankfully, for those of us media junkies. This is a gaming phone. Of course, four thousand male aunt battery with quick charge for plus support, holy specs, Batman, mirror glass back with light up logo just like the razor mice that you may have and the other performs hanging around your home in matches. My you could set it up to sixteen point seven million colors including a breathing color mode or a spectrum mod that switches through colors, which I'm still trying to figure out how to do with my Philips hue bolts. But I'm Jay into. Or the color can be based on notifications. Just like the unification light on OG Android phones of the past. It's also has a completely redesigned camera. Twelve megapixel on the rear eight mega pixels on the front, who knows if it's going to be as good as the the other two phones we just talked about, but hey, HDR autofocus algorithms added in there. You know, just kind of help take away from the fact that the razor one phone did not have a very good camera and you can pre-order it all for the same price as the regular pixel three eight hundred dollars. All cool stuff like the cooling ran. But make a backside that lights up different colors. Yeah, mine kind have a set to notifications and stuff can have a a light switch rave with your phone. Sure. If as long as you're wearing that little vibration vibration, it's still have the watch, but. Oh, do you. There's all use it with the switch. So skyro- I could see that. Ron you. You were the next bit Robin user of the group this basically the spiritual successor of the next bit. Robin, it is, and I saw lots of people very excited for this phone. Yeah, I saw really positive reaction to the announcement. I think I think they are taking our wonderful next bit Robin evolved into I honestly, I think they've merged it into the razor brand pretty nicely. It makes sense as a as a razor product, you know, in their larger products, suite of of stuff aimed at the edgy gamer, but. I think this is this is a pretty impressive phone. I think this is this is a neat nation. I'm still rooting for them. I'm not getting it, but I'm rooting for them. I'm down for a gaming phone. Good for you for doing something good with Android. Gaming phone. It makes sense. Like we're getting a lot more kind of console quality style games. You know fortnight just as one obvious example, but. In another one coming out that's popular on steam, but there isn't. There is a need like there are definitely mobile gamers. Mobile gaming isn't just popping balloons. You know, it's it's stepped up on cards, although it is still my favorite thing. It's got a lot of debt. So for some people having a phone that's dedicated to gaming on the inside is gonna make a whole lot of sense. Right? Wants to phone. Sorry. I was trying really hard to transition. Oh, I was hoping. Just look at it just gets worse. What about on the other side of the spectrum? Ron. A funny story guys, friend of mine here in New York at about, oh, I think it was last winter. Early spring worked worked at a very popular clothing company. Clothing start up here in New York said, hey, I'm moving to San Francisco and I'm like, oh, but you get to work on saying, I can't tell you. I'll tell you in the fall and turns out he was going to work on the new palm foam really. And I was very excited for them and the whole team, and it's it's, it's bonkers and bananas. So I hope you're sitting down. So the new, the new palm phone, which is not called the Pepito. The leaks suggested it is like the Pepito leaks, a very tiny, tiny phone about the size of a credit card. Although it's quite thicker than one the, the new palm. They bought the rights for the palm name was bought by TCL last year. So this is branding similar to the way with h h MD global in Nokia. So it's not palm the legacy of palm. Pre and all that stuff like we know the you know, all that great legacy of the palm handhelds, it's you just they bought the name. That's all and it's Verizon exclusive. They're gonna be selling this tiny phone as an add onto existing plans similar to like a smartwatch. So if you were to buy a a smart wash that's tied to your Verizon plan. This phone works in that way. It's meant to be a supplemental phone. It's got a three point, three inch LCD display at four hundred and fifty five pixels per inch. That's right in the Snapdragon four thirty five with three gig ram thirty, two gigs storage. It's got a twelve megapixel rear facing camera eight megapixel selfie camera. It's got an IP sixty. Eight rated eight hundred million battery. It's got USB no headphone Jack thank God and believe it or not. It runs Android, eight dot one. It is running Android. It is a tiny, Android phone, and one of the function and feature of a feature set of this includes a life mode that activates a do not disturb mode and low battery setting. So when you're you're living life, you can go to do not disturb and save your battery. It's got notifications. No wireless radios cell in wifi, only activate with the screen on, so it's totally optimized for being out there. It's a total different approach to phones and it actually reminded me of the light phone if you guys remember which now is on the second interational included the link there. The light phone was that was that phone that was the size of a credit card that only didn't have any buttons and only work to call people. No texting, no anything. And now the light phone to is coming out in their adding limited texting capability in bases, a little phone where you can do less, but it's part of this minimalist phone movement where you know, get off the smartphone, move away from it, moved to a smaller phone that doesn't have big of an imprint and can actually do less and just allows you to communicate with people so PA, the new palm. It's it's interesting. I don't know if it lives up to the legacy of the old palm, but it's it's a thing. So so it also. Bay area fans, Steph curry is involved in the somehow he, he designed a bunch of the designed cases for it like a sport, oh, case that you know, you can put a little phone on your shoulders and play basketball, like Steph, curry. He was a longtime sponsor of the warriors by the way, not not. Yeah, didn't? Yeah. Steph, curry is creative strategy director at palm, not bad goes. Yeah, I know. Right? The money to be made them. What do you think Matteo. Three company names HTC used to do a little phone for your phone. I think it was three or four years ago. You could buy this all little hat. A headsets, boy, not headset handsets that wasn't accessory to your HTC smart from just for making Kohl's and takes. I mean, I think this is in a way that good, but was a bluetooth only the vice, but it's it's interesting and I'm questioning the pricing of this because it's an extra is at ten dollars a month or. Your sim cloned onto this. Yeah, I think. So over the course of two years, that extra two hundred and four hundred dollars plus you'll need to pay some angst up front. It's quite expensive for walk to his. Then again, the palm brands may be that nostalgia brand people were willing to pay for. I'm I. Nice to. I don't think I don't think they're going after. I don't think I truly don't think they're going after nostalgia. With this one, I think they're literally going for, hey, it's a device that fits in your palm. Let's call it palm. Okay. Let's by the word palm. You know. And I don't know. I haven't talked to my friend who works at the company so I don't know what they're I am regent him and maybe maybe we can see even get someone on the show or something like that. But I, I think they're truly playing up the, hey, this is a small phone. And I, I honestly don't know if this minimalist, you know, kind of, you know, you know, light phone get away from your smartphone movement has legs because I think I feel like it's a, it's a tough pill to swallow to say, okay, great. I've got a smartphone and I'm going to get a smaller phone that does some of it, but just smaller. Yeah, it's, it's it's, it is a bit of a tough sell its very first world way to solve a problem. Yes, not really a problem. And if you just put the phone down kill to have a constant on phone all the time. So. So just in that context, I'd say what's the difference between this device or ending? Say, thirty nine dollars on the new Kia one and just popping your sim card out and pumping tin when you want to have some meat time. Yeah, yes, airplane mode. Put it down on its face and just walk away. Yeah, that worked overseas for some people. Those will work for everybody taking out the sim card. Like that's easy. I'll say, air quotes, easy. That's easy Ross. That's pretty well. And I, it's just a, it's just enough of a her. Can't do that authorizing. Right. I think they underestimate the number of people that would get this as a primary phone. I actually think there's themselves business people a lot of business. I think I think they're selling themselves short as making it an ad on that. If you actually put this phone out and eventually you'd be surprised at how many people would would go for it. Yeah, extra for it to per month by the way at ten dollars extra the same. Yeah, kind of price similarly to like a smart washers, all like that. But. Ruin the palm name with something. Creating a little harsh. Sorry. It's okay. It's okay. Come back to us. Hey, let's take a break. We're, we're gonna. We're gonna shake this off. Let's shake it off. Shake it off, and then we'll come back and do some apps, but before we do, let's take minute and thank the sponsor of this episode and that is digital ocean. 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It's amazing. This never happens early. So this is cool. I like this pocket apparently has a feature that escaped me until I read this article today. Pocket, of course, is a read me later app. It's the one that I use to Mark stories for the show. They released an update that there was a feature in there called listen. It's a function that will play back the content and for saved articles through Texas speech. Apparently it was implemented but didn't sound very good. It was one of those things where you do it at everything so like a robot will they have made an update there now using integrating Amazon's Pali text to speech service at sounds really good. I thought I'd show it off here, so I'll show kind of the UI on this a little bit. So you've got your, you've got your your list up here, the headphones tap into that, and it's kind of like a playlist of sort right, like this. These are all the stories that I've saved to my list, and then you've got your standard controls. Five cameras published by the urge on October two thousand eighteen all too often evaluate shows pretty darn good. Good. I mean, it's it's a little robotic, but in a pinch, like if you're if you're marking stuff and you wanna drive, but you wanna read on drive. You want to read. This is alternative. I just thought that was kind of neat, our dictation of something like an Harding, and you can take notes like like the prime example for this is like every once in a while, people are sharing around those like Newark time, articles that are like so long. It's gonna take you an hour to read this thing turned into a podcast. Yeah, Jim, you know what I mean? Sites have been doing that too. We're getting a lot of those lately. So marketing your in your pocket and then listen to it later, and I'm sure, Yep, leaks posting. You know, another app that does this should there are a lot of apps that do this sort of thing, but the sounded really good line. You already use pocket. You probably already have five thousand articles save from the last ten years. You haven't read how many of those have you read? Seriously? You lied to catch up. Do you know what else you need to catch up on what. Oh, in star valley, star valley is a really fun, indie farms simulator game. It's it's pretty popular in gamer circles. It's currently on windows OS. It's on MAC, OS lyrics PS four, XBox switch FIDA, and now it's coming to Android. Well, soon it's for those who don't know. It's very similar to harvest moon. You just basically got to check in make sure that your plans to grow in people, happy, stuff like that. You know, just good. Nice little tending. It'll cost seventy nine with no in-app purchases. Once released which I quite frankly appreciate because I would rather just give you money up front and have you never bothered me again. No multiplayer though which some of the other platforms do offer, and there's no release date, but we know it's coming soon. And it is just an exciting thing to think about, you know, apps like roller coaster tycoon, if you liked playing that back in the day or vailable on Android. And so if you've got a tablet or maybe you're getting the pixel slate, this is a great kind of game. On that platform and think about like roller coaster tycoon. Let me tell you, you put a stylus that thing. Try it, try it until we what you think the stem thing. I know I'm going to do that right now. I, I have to install it though. Don't go down that rabbit hole. All right. Next, the next app is one that I seriously cannot I when I read this earlier today, I was like, how is this? That happened? Already? Adobe announced premier rush. CC will be released on Android sometime next year. And it's targeted at YouTube creators, and it's a trimmed down version of premier pro. Many features are intuitively, and my thing just crashed. Many things are too. I'm back. That would be okay. Many visas are in tune designed for touchscreen environments. Let's got integrated motion graphics for titles, lower thirds of that. The need for after-effects audio, adjustments and tweaks without needing on dishing is included with the creative crowds cloud suite or nine ninety nine a month. Nine dollars ninety nine cents a month per per month standalone. So if you want to be an aspiring YouTube creator and you're on your all about Android checkup, premier rush CC because this will let you make your YouTube videos with your phone and the the in all the Dobie stuff behind you. That's pretty amazing. Nice so cool. And I think I saw that they're getting like they've adobe considering the next version of Photoshop on the ipad to be like the official Photoshop version. I wonder when some of that love and the ends up hitting Android or chrome OS yeah. Well yes, we're using chrome OS thr- Android. So it's kinda interesting that adobe is totally like. Doubling down on on Joey. Give me your ups, gimme some of your apps. Now that doesn't work. Hey, Tom wrote an Email to say, first of all, keep up the great work. Thank you says I have a question that I don't remember hearing or reading from anyone. Can I install Android one on a non Android, one, Android phone? Why do I ask because I am so tired of waiting for the fracking. Yes. I'm about to start galactica fan old and newer versions. Android update from LG Samsung Moto, a sous, etcetera, etcetera. Android, nine pi has been out for a few weeks and my phone. The Moto g five s plus is still on seven point. One point one, June twenty. Eighteen security and Suzanne pad. Three s ten is still on seven point o. every place I've served say both will get Oreo soon really soon. Like when my Mets or Baltimore Orioles win a World Series. Sorry. Ron says Tom, never now has always next year always next year. Always next year. I think the answer to this is that no, you can't install Android one on phones. I think it's just kind of thing that a phone is made with Android one. Maybe there's a way to install a wrong that integrates the Android one, you know, OS dump or something onto another phone, but I'd be really surprised if that got regular updates from this was that Google would be the one managing. Yeah. So I'd be really surprised if that was solved your problem. Make sure that no one takes advantage of people who you know nobody takes advantage of low end phones because a lot of scammy things can happen on this Cami things scant gammy things Matteo d- are you aware of this? Like is there any way to install Android one on the phone that you know, although your, your eyes are closed, you're frozen you. You may have just fallen asleep. I think. I think we've lost battalion think you just fell asleep now. Actually, internet connection is kind of a body right now. I, I really think maybe I fell asleep. Okay. Matteo we know you're up really late. They they wind you and dined you at the wall. We event we get it. We're sorry to ask you to come back. We'll see if we can get it back on, but I think the answer is no, you can't install that on, but maybe you could buy one. I honestly, I don't know what to tell you as far as concerned getting the regular updates via Android one isn't something that you can choose to do as far as I know that anyone knows differently AAA at twit dot TV and let us know. Yeah, welcome back Matteo we've my food and decided to disconnect. That's okay. Well, it looks like he's asleep. It was great. Yeah, you you, you froze with your eyes closed. We're pretty certain that you just decided to go to sleep now. It's okay if you're sleepy, we understand. I am did lead to flights by way of. Hi, this. Let's seriously. Let's stop joking around. Let's get you out of here. Let's it into the arenas that Matteo can sleep for a change. Thank you for the bumper. Here we go. Oh boy. So cute. I just there so. Wasn't nice, shake animation. There. Slash triple a poll three nine zero was where you went if you to the almost dead Google plus to place your vote. Listen, we've got nine months. Yeah. So that's ten months where we can really drive it into it. You know this whole time we could just talk about how dying it is Google trips. I mean, you guys, you guys allowed to Google app into the arena. This is what happens when you do that? We did. Yeah, I know I was. I was curious to see what would happen. We knew what we've seen what day we figured it was. It was, you know, it was his first choice and it wasn't like, you know, a o p level. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't like you don't get Google trips on your phone means so so that that's that's part of the reasoning why it was allowed as more experimental. It's not very experimental. Nobody. Nobody try that on us. I have to say Google trips is an awesome app. It really is. I would agree so that awesome app got the guests another win, which they are just honestly running away with it then yeah, calendar is flying buying. I'm trying to do the math and figure out a well killing will the guests clinch it because I like it's any week. Now. The guests are in first place with one hundred twenty one points. I'm still solidly second second-place one hundred four points trying to catch up Jason. Third with ninety. Eight points and flow is in last eighty-five points. I just want to say that I heard from the developer of quite Harrow and she appreciated that. I and I'm glad I brought it. Yeah, because I love her art. So based on that, I believe the order should be Jason flow. Matteo me Jason missed the show floor given last potatoes, the guest, and I was the highest ranking person here. So okay, Ron. Oh, hey, fine. Ron. Mine is going to be really quick because I've already talked about this thing, huge amount that many times on the network. This is the spire studio. I love it. It's a multi. This little digital multi-track box. I can tell you it's like eight, eight tracks. If you're a musician, you can just lay tracks really quickly. The reason I'm bringing it up is because they finally released an Android version probably about a year since I, I talked about this on the network and it just came out. So it's I, I have to say it's a little buggy, although I got a an update earlier and it fix some of the problems. But I thought I'd it off real quick, the user interface, you can definitely tell like, I've used the IRS version of this on on an ipad in order to use the spire studio. And so the the the you I on this is definitely a little bit different, but you can see these are all the songs that are stored on the hard drive right now in order to actually get into one, it needs to kind of load it over and it's it takes a while because. These are eight solid tracks of audio that it's kind of bringing over and it's essentially sinking up the phone so that it can control all the all the multi-track stuff that's happening on the spire studio that I have right here. And so it links it up. Like I said, there was there was a little bit of an update, a firmware update when this finally released. Prior to that, I was getting some some choppy playback on the songs that were stored on here. And now now it should be good to go knock on table. But anyway, so you can see the UI the interface here. This is a full eight track recorded song that I actually recorded in a cabin a couple of days ago. I did the bone bony ver- thing and went to a cabin and records music. And I had a, I had a blast that night, but the layout is definitely a little bit different. You can see there's a little trade on here that you can slide up so you can right now. Monitoring is on that means that this microphone on the spires is active. I'm going to block that out so that it will cut that out so that I. Don't blast you. Victor, you can go into the recording facts and it has all the the effects. You know, you've got a bunch of different amps. If you want to put, you know, plug a guitar into the unit. I've got a bunch of like reverberate delays and stuff, pedals, all that kind of stuff. A lot of fun to stuff to play around with keep in mind that all the actual stuff that's happening in here is happening on the hardware. This is really just kind of like a user interface for it, and it sinked up up to it and then you can kind of go into any of these tracks and re record. You can see the the levels kind of balancing when I tap on a track is bouncing and get more information here. If I want to trim out some noise beforehand or delete the track or just muted entirely, I can do that. And then let's see here. And then you've got your mixed page, and this is where you take all the sources and you can kind of play around with the stereo field this being center left and right, and bring up in volume, bring it down and volume kind of span it all out. And it hopefully. Is it playing. Yeah, yeah. So, and you can kinda, you know, you can skip around. If I wanted to punch in right here. I could hit that and then hit record and now it's recording. And so I can just kind of like jump in and record and then stop and everything. But I'm gonna go ahead and undo that. 'cause I don't wanna ruin the song. But anyways, I I'm just really happy that they finally paid attention to to Android. I knew that they were working on it that they would do it. Eventually, it was a surprise to me today that they finally got it and I always love, you know me. I always loved the the professional audio stuff finally hitting Android, and they did a really good job with us. It's a great start. It is missing some things though. On the IOS version, you can actually assign tracks little icons that denote what it is. So you could make this guitar logo, make this a drum logo or whatever. And then that makes when you go into the mix, it makes it a little easier to know what you're playing with and everything. But for a first version, if they've done a pretty good job and of course you can import other projects. You can export out too. Multiple tracks and the share that with somebody or export out to a single audio track to be shared too, like soundcloud or whatever. And yeah, I'm happy that it's on Android. Finally, it's called spire studio, and it's a cool little multi-track mixing and recording interface environment to go along with the spire studio hardware. Good job, too. Is atop for finally releasing this. I'm really happy. They did spire studio. Okay. So who goes next? I missed the orders me. Okay, so flow? Yes, flow will go next. And then and then Matteo and then Ron, is that okay? Correct. All right. All right. So last week, Google had an event, but it didn't really say much about photos besides well did say much about photos, but it didn't say anything about that one feature we've been waiting for for the last three I os, which is removing fences. So I went in search of an app that would do it for me because I'm tired of leading. Yes, I know. This is ever going to happen by the way. I'm still holding. This app is cold, touch, retouched, touch Tibet, retouched. Okay. Are just anyway, so this is a picture of the scenery that I had well Lamping in beautiful Healdsburg, California. So I'm willing to show you a demo of how this touch retouched works. And so what we were going to do is we're going to remove, we're going to remove an object, so I'm going to tap on object removal. And now I'm going to try very carefully to remove this fence. So first we're going to zoom in. Okay. And then we're going to. And then we're gonna. Cana- do. Just, you know, like remove it. I'll show you. I'll show you goop soup. Sorry, everyone. Jake. Like kind of like magic because I didn't. That one didn't work. Let me just show you what I did so far. So I managed to move half of it. The fences just there. I would like to show you one other demo, but Victor, if you wouldn't mind just going quickly through the play store page while I set that up. So we're not looking all way photos. So the nice thing about this is it. It does cost a little money. I actually don't remember how much I paid because after you buy, it doesn't show you and I haven't logged in and out yet. But it is somewhat effective which is which helps you know, which makes you think that this is something that you'd use in addition to photos and you can actually export your photos directly to this app if you need to. So the next thing that I'm going to show you is now the pixel still does this annoying thing where when it takes photos with lights overhead like this, that these come out, this glare and this lens flares annoying, right? I want to remove that lens flare. So we're gonna do is we're gonna zoom in and I'm going to go to quick repair, and now we're gonna try and repair this and remove it. And it kinda works. I mean, when you get to more sophisticated areas, but when you zoom in really quick, you could see it's not like a perfect. It's not perfect at all, but but man. But many remove a little bit of the glare. I think if I popped a filter on top of this on Instagram and did a little bit of like up and down on the exposure and contrast, I could maybe look it make it look like sharable enough on the internet without all of these, but it's. Yeah, see that one didn't. It didn't do that well, but you want to sorry about all the glare. Everyone you want to do it kind of like incrementally to have it really work, but when you're all done, well, you have to save it. Boom, it's done. It's finished. Little, save. Boom, get rid of those fences. Touch what's up Matteo both really interesting. How do how do we know this isn't a giant mechanical Turk to power Google's fence removal service. They're like in there like we promised. We have no idea how we're going to do it. Let's. Everyone else to figure it out for us. Yes, it's a dollar ninety nine by the way support your dad's. It is an app that works. So if you have like little things, I don't know if it's going to do the fence removal the way that Google promised us that we do. But, hey, let's me touch up some photos pretty quickly worth two bucks. It's better than the camera app that you have. That doesn't remove anything. Right, right, right, right. But it is free and like Ryan nights is all anyway. Alright. So strap yourselves in here we go. I'm not. I'm not sure about this one. Miyoko, but I'll show it off you. This might be the episode where you fall down just saying it might be. And when you say that the gut's might full down, it's almost literal. So Google gut's is an app. It's it's a bouncing jumper app, which means the goods. Climbing an infinite mountain, and you need to jump on up along platforms. Brunches will break and you won't be able to jump very high and you just carry on claiming. I believe I've wanted to see missed one of putt foams full down that sits he needs to start again. So the further up you go, the more complex, the platforms jump up, the mounts enough. The further up you go, the more boosts and coin collection opportunities that are. So the higher up you go, you might also encounter some boosts. And as I say, boosts is an eagle, but will fly you another thousand feet up. There's a jet pack and various other ones. So I'd like to. Close. It was close. And the the controls to this game really, really simple. It's using several mature on your smartphone, so you don't even need to tap the screen. You just need to tilt it and control the the angle at which the goats is jumping up the mountain. Perfect. At this game, Jason, you were having a legendary game right now. I'm the baddest of this game. There's ever been. Who are you going to bundle. It's a bubble of immunity wouldn't get hunt by the votes. Oh, Cal. I don't wanna die. Go. That was a bad landing. Gets. All right, we'll go. Go is free. It is ad supported, so they are in the ads in the app, but I think is it's worthwhile. It's a fun little game to play it airports or when traveling over and commuting. It doesn't take too much thinking, and it's just a fun, fun little game. You don't even need to have a very powerful smart for them to play it. Yet installed really fast, so that's my Hillary. Good. Bye. Yeah. Nations. Good stumped really fast. I'm hoping Google gut's can seal the years victory for team GD and g possible very possible. We have to get the third g on the what are these days. We'll get her good at that. All right. My app very quickly. I'll do is very simple. Most phones now modern phones have the ability to you just hold down the home button at the bottom, and that triggers the Google assistant. What if you don't want it to, you can change it with assistant shortcuts. This is an athlete less remapping, the Google assistant button on your phone to do something else. So you have to do the the negative this is that you actually turn off Google assistant. So you as part of this, you're, you're agreeing to. I don't want Google assistant. You're going to move to assistant shortcuts, which is fine because then everybody wants to use Google assistant or use it in this way. And once you do that and hit it again and you've turn on the accessibility, so you've, you've said it as the assistant. So go back Jason. Okay. Went to swipe land now set assess ability in the attorney sensibility on right? So they can go there and, and now you're all set in. You're all done. So here you just went away from it. Go back to the app if you set up all I see. Yeah, yeah, setup anything. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I'm trying to what. Phone doesn't work anymore. You can choose what you want to enable when you hold down the the notification about and you can you can enable. They misspelled notifications. I just noticed that, but you could use not. Can it notifications that's more efficient? You can. You can have the assistant button open up the notification panel or open up your quick settings or if you're running Android p you can take a screen shot, which is very handy because I hate the power button, volume combination of screen shots, the classic turn on the flashlight, or you can enable rotation locking, but it doesn't stop there. You could also switch to the two functions within your phone instead of shortcuts the buttons where you can switch the last zap or go back or recent or home, or enable slit screen, or you can have it launched specific apps. If there's a specific app us all the time you can map s is the button to that app and it just one tap and you're good to go. And then if you whatever Jason, you've said it too. Yeah, I'm going to use this all the time. Hold on. Is this the button and launches the goats game? Yeah, just look at that. It's amazing example assistant shortcuts free in the Google play store whom when you want when you don't want us instant. But you want that goats game the gogo goats. That's that's how you doing, hey, goats. There we go. Awesome. It's called assistant short cuts and his free in the play storm. All right. Twit dot t. o. slash triple a poll three, nine one to place your vote for your favorite app this week. Is it spire studio for Android? Is it touch? Retouched, gogo goat or assistant shortcuts? Twit dot t. o. slash AAA poll three, nine one. And we will check in on that next week to see, but we have to wait for victor's. Victor starts off. Yeah, he starts us off with. Yes. Oh, touch, touch. Retouched. He's all about are moving fences. I'm shocked. I'm all about bringing down those fences too. Darn it. Mike stands. I got a removed from some Aristotle's. I understand. I understand. We've all been there. Mike stands and stuff. Think about it by like the seventeen thousand time. They've invited hundreds of parents over and they all have their pick foot. Anyway, we had cameras around for a while. People like pink about the parents thing about the parents. As parents give them a photo sexually, like photo journalists accepts. It's just like a little box of parents. I mean. Technically the audience section, right? Yeah, that's true for a recital is probably all parents. Let's be real Matteo get some sleep. Thank you. Thank you for she ate you. Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure to being back on. Thanks for putting up with the dukes and the the w thing. We wouldn't have it any other way matab we know that you bring the goat with you. We know it's not just you, it's you and to go. So for scale at a while. That's okay. Make sure I do. All right. Put that on your list. Kidding. Tech travel geeks dot com to follow. Matteo z- review. I think of the of the wall we phone that we spoke of earlier, so you can find all that stuff there. And I'm sure you'll be on once again very soon. That phone right there. Thank you Matteo very pretty. Very shiny are usually enjoying this. Don't drop it though. Don't don't pull a me and drop it. Okay. Yes, democracy dial case. Okay, good. I knew were smart flow. What's what's up, put you. Actually, I don't know the silence. Each of my, I don't know what of my stories of posted. I haven't checked on those in a while, but I'm hoping to belong to this week at Florence lion dot com with some updates. And I'm, I'm here nine. I have another podcast and the real FM network, and I won't Twitter the flow. I'm just working. I'm working working working where can work in? Oh, I just recently, I'm still waiting for this to go up. I don't know what it's going up, but I did a story for life hacker on using windows apps on chrome, some still waiting for that one to go up one that is, but stay tuned. People should check out life hacker over the coming days and you'll find some slow, goodness there. Certainly hope so off. Slow, goodness flow and Ron goodness. Yes. As always you can follow me at Ron Akzo on Twitter and on Instagram, and I've been plugging into the past couple of weeks, but please, if you haven't subscribed to my new podcast, finale podcast. You can go to finale podcast dot com where you can subscribe to finale or me, and my. 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Well, I believe that one, I think I'm pretty sure we've all seen six feet under, but the trick is finding the venue Graham between shows that she hasn't watched shows I have watched, but everybody is six hundred is one of the most popular last episodes of TV show it all pales in comparison to the greatest last last episode of any TV show of mash, which was the best one. Oh, yeah. Okay. But she seeing then, I think so. I don't know. You're gonna see. Spoil any surprises. Find out. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Victor, appreciate you. Appreciate you. Victor. No problem, man. Sorry, I froze earlier. Don't be sorry. Oh, it was perfect own it. Yeah. Perfect. I was going with the minimalist theme. A few times this episode like it. Yeah. Trying to sell us a palm phone. That's minimal. Yes, exactly. Thank you. Victor handling my mice balti- internet connection because of the great work like magic. No one even knew until we started talking about it. Earlier. It's all good. 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AAA 473: OnePlus 8 Pro's X-Ray Specs

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AAA 473: OnePlus 8 Pro's X-Ray Specs

"Coming up on all about android joined by Florence Ion Ron Richards and our guest Matteo Doni. We talk a little bit about changes that are happening in the Pixel Department or changes. That have happened. What might mean for Pixel phones going forward? One plus eight pro has an x ray camera not really but kind of. Matteo of course brings his harsh to the show and we have an in depth look at our experience using youtube music over the course of the last week. A whole lot. More coming at you next on all about android all about android is brought to you from last pass studios. You're focused on security but are your employees. Last past can ensure that they are by making access them at seamless whether they're working in the office or remote visit last past dot com slash twit to learn more podcasts. You love from people you trust. This is this episode of all about Android is brought to you by Ziprecruiter. 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Wow that's the internet was all messed up or did it just sound like I'm as low as my brain feels today welcoming back to this show Matteo Doni. How are you doing over on the other part of the other side of the world? Thank you thank you for having me back on the show. I haven't had to hear since the last time I was all about android and I agreed to have my partner. Candice do my here for me. I love it. I love it Taylor. Showing these giant and since since flu was having all the fund with Princess Leia phones a couple of weeks ago. I thought I would try and up the game here. The game has been have I exactly? I saw it on twitter. I saw your hair kinda growing out and getting a little longer and everything on twitter. I was hoping we'd see some sort of hair show today and it turns out that we have so. Thank you for delivering. We appreciate that. Miguel was just going to say like to think of myself like an aspirational Craig for the year of the android world. Oh Boy oh boy. I've never seen Craig Rocket Hairdo like that but you know like like dry. Yeah Verses Take Travel Geeks One All right should we do this? We might as well take advantage of the fact that our Internet is actually someone stable right. Now we've got some news to talk about so let's dive right in Burke. Nice script writer for baby shower. Droid of this. Doing it from home. Is the stress that poor burke is under and try to it really is. I mean he's doing great burke doing great. Yeah we appreciate I fly. You've got the top one you know who's not doing great. Google's hardware division. There have been a lot of shakeups and if you have been following along with the news as of last week then you might have heard about some. You might have heard about some t that's been spilled over at mountain view. Hq So as we learned from this very revelatory article published in the information which is a subscription only publication We are actually going to kind of give you the Quick Little T. L. DR points since not everybody can go immediately and read it So I one of the big reveals was that Mark Levin the person who is basically in charge of that wonderful Pixel Algorithm that made photos look so nice He left back in March. So actually since we've been in quarantine probably maybe right before he left who knows So that along with the departure of Pixels Mario Qudos last August which was kind kind of quietly You know snuck under the rug. This wasn't really something that we knew about. I mean we just found out about this last week really Sooner approach I was actually on the latest verge. Cast to Talk Abou this particular report He said that hardware is hard and that Google's playing to continue playing the long game by integrating the Hardware Division with nest absorbing ACC's mobile division and a couple of other little bits. They're just KINDA UNIFY. Those teams versus having them be in kind of their own spaces. He also talked about two to three years for deeper investments to bear fruit. I'm assuming that was you know relating to the Pixel lineup but we are coming upon the what the fourth bill for this one You know this also could possibly tied to the rumors that Google is creating. Its own chipset. And there's a lot of folks out there wondering if that news is something that's going to Kinda herald us into this new age of Pixel devices. What do you guys think or? Do you think this is all just kind of a don't you know? Let's Ya tempest tempest in a teapot. Yes yeah I mean I guess the question is are we worried about where the direction of Pixel phone when you've got the person who's behind arguably the critical key feature of the phones from day one along with another person who's critical to the division as a whole stepping out does does that signal any any warning You know any warnings Well yeah any warning signals around that I'm not sure how much effect this change would have on it. How much of Their DNA is already placed on the Pixel Brand But I mean you know it's also really important too to note that the Pixel devices as a whole hasn't really lived the world on fire. They certainly have done what Google intended for for them to do. I think they probably intended for these. These devices to go toe to toe with with the devices like the iphone and Samsung devices. And they're just not I mean but we are on. I'll I'll take all object to that though based on what though I don't I don't get the sense that Google ever expected this to go toe-to-toe the iphone in any capacity. I think that's I think that's almost a foolish endeavor. I think what I always took away from the from the Pixel. The pixels placement was to create the best in Google class. You know device to show off everything to do with android to really set the bar for Samsung End. A she see end one plus and all the other folks all the other. Oem that are using the the operating system. I think to to try to put out a device that would go toe with the iphone. Would would you know like it's you can after all this time period right? So what you have to do with the lead. By example so in that regard I think the Pixel has been a success. I think I personally never expected pixel sale. I think it would be it would be ignorant. It'd be naive to think that all of a sudden the whole world was going to be using a pixel been you have so many millions of of people who are in the Samsung ecosystem and so many millions of people in Motorola or whatever. It might be so I don't know I and I don't know what their goals are with the program. Who knows. I think if you if you if you create a piece of hardware correctly it. It doesn't have the DNA of just one person it could be said that the fund was Steve Jobs as last big project at has. Dna was all over it. But here we are. You know fifteen years later and that that piece of hardware keeps rolling on. Yeah so I it's. It's the future of the device will be defined by if they can outlive people who come and go and the you know becomes its own entity that other people you know becomes a some the sum total parts of everything every every put into it devices. They were the consumer friendly version of the nexus. That's kind of all that. Well it's only this right. How was the nexus not not consumer friendly like I mean like it's funny because she was prettier? May maybe a little more you know. I'm an design at the time to think of why we waited the that the nexus devices weren't as consumer-friendly as the pixel devices they weren't available in carrier stores which at least in the US is keep forgetting about that There was also with the nexus line of things. There's a completely different products development approach with the next line of devices you had the manufacturers like Samsung like htc like a hallway. And they'll g all going and pitching the hardware as a almost done piece of of product and Google was shoehorning the the next session of the operating system onto that hardware with the Pixel lineup. Google took ownership of this and started designing the product enter end without the full The full hardware stack being built by a third party. So it's a very different products consideration in the way things were dumb but the whole intent of nexus and Pixel was to to have what good looks like for everyone to follow on and to every for everyone to collaborate on and as far as I know there's a lot of collaboration that was sparked by the Pixel Program Especially between companies wanting to work whether it was on camera camera optimizations or battery optimizations or just making android bit better. It was in a way an incentive for external. Oem's or the ems to participate in the open handset alliance but obviously we don't know what's the recent departures effect will be and we probably won't for at least another eighteen months. Realistically because hardware is hard and the pipelines for those products are not six monthly. There are at least eighteen months long especially right now to with hardware. I'm sure everything is slow down. Shutdown delays well not. I mean I mean it's it's at least China Bay stuff is is back somewhat back. You know I I say this because I'm in the midst of working on a hardware project where I believe. We say hardware is hard several times a day at this point. But but you had. But but the most of the factory from what I've heard at least on the hardware side is that China's kind of up and running again and products is flowing but yeah definitely taking a hit and Matteo. You're right I mean like the the next device will see the impact of this will be you know the the device after that maybe even the device after that especially with the way that it takes for like a team to integrate in work together. I mean just talking about the the people who are designing this thing and the people who are you know melting heads There's I mean we could maybe see a lot of change. I feel like we've kind of been on this autopilot. It with the Pixel like even though it's only been four iterations. We kind of figured out what to expect with each new Pixel and I wonder if maybe this swell ultimately be good because if if I mean if we weren't wowed by the Pixel four third. I mean it's got to be something down the line well on the Pixel five Heavily rumored with more and more confirmations coming every day that is not using the top of the line processors can the snapdragon seven sixty five. Gee I believe so. Not The eight hundred series And you know Big Question. Mark there as far as why? They're doing that. What the what that will do. Will people who expect a premium phone? Be Happy enough with that. Will that lower the price enough that maybe it makes it more consumer-friendly more consumer like more appealing to consumers. Because now you know they're creating a product that's maybe a little less expensive. I know big question mark. But that's what we're gonNA find out near the end of this year. We still have to get through that for a whenever that comes out sometime in the next couple of weeks so long road ahead of us. That's for sure. Yeah so but in the meantime luckily we can reset the counter on one plus while it's been a while since one plus has had a had a marketing gaffe or some sort of a forehead. Moment slop the forehead moment but for those tracking and following this along. This has been a very amusing story a couple of days ago and I just laughed so the one plus eight pro has a color filter camera on it right but it was perplexing because a lot of people thought it was an x ray camera which it is not it is an IRA camera. It can see through certain kinds of plastics and in some cases see-through fabric but it just led a lot of people that thinking that one plus at quietly launched an x ray camera which is just baffling so one plus is GonNa be pushing on the was. It's going to be one. Plus is going to be pushing out an update to the oxygen coming weeks to disable this camera and it's already disabled the camera and Hydrogel as Operating system that's in the Chinese market but for a moment I was like hey man I gotta get one of those x ray cameras you know. I went through my house with One plus eight pro and the the photo chrome filter. Which is what I have running right now. So plus you have a disabled it yet and I pointed this thing at every little black piece of technology in my home and I could hardly get anything to show the only the only thing that I could even get any sort of like. Oh I can see the inside. Just barely was my its insignia. Google home clock that we have here and it was just it was just barely it was like I could see these tiny little dots that I couldn't see to the naked eye. So Yeah it works but it's very like very specific as far as what kind of device. Apparently it works really well on an apple. Tv interesting. Gee I wonder what a bizarre why put wife an infrared camera filter enough or filter. Whatever but for a camera software in there at all. I'm just trying to think what what we use case that solves. I step boggled my mind when I reviewed the one plus a pro to begin with. It's like literally you know all this camera hardware that you see on the phone one of these things which you know when you add it up like each of those components adds cost to the device. One of those is an infrared camera. That's meant to be a photo filter. Just doesn't make sense like I don't understand the rationale. If it's it takes really interesting looking photos this one like filter like we've done filters for years we've done filters that didn't require extra hardware. Why is that there? And why are we paying for it? Maybe it's there because I don't know what do you think? Matteo so I have held about this before and this was something that was demoted to us. I believe. Nwc last year in in twenty one thousand nine hundred and it was For smartphones that are used for for business purposes. So the ones that you for example Hamilton. Delivery pass and we'll be scanning your parcels with and in some contexts to calibrate infrared blasters such as the ones you get on smartphones like Xiaomi or while we that have the infrared blaster at the top to calibrate them. You use the camera on the smartphone to copy the the signal that's being sent by another remote device with an infrared blaster. So this is something. That is a very niche product. It may just be the one. Plus or their parent company sourced at vast number of these sensors and repurpose them for use in the devices and the basic firmware for that component and the drivers were still the same as the as originally and no one really tested it properly. But this isn't it isn't completely unheard of. It is a very niche area of the mobile industry where those infrared cameras are actually have a practical use interesting. There's a very specific case there. It's a very specific use case but this is my my take on why we're seeing this in the in the one plus devices. They didn't really bother going in depth into this. Say Look we can get this filter effect threats into the camera settings without actually testing it properly. And that's what I think is really confusing to me. I feel like Anyone who's creating a smartphone especially the big names that are creating smartphones. There has to be a lot of thought about every single component. That goes in there because it either drives up the cost or at ads like perceived value for the consumer this particular feature like one plus did almost no like promotion or teasing about like why it was there it was just like an. It's got a color filter camera. Okay but still people were scratching their heads. Why does it have that? We already do colored filters there was no real messaging or it feels like any real thought as far. And if there was thought it certainly hasn't been communicated why that hardware even exists and now one plus has to go in and deactivate the hardware you still paying for the cost of the hardware. You can't use. It's just weird. It's just it's a strange move. I feel so that's A. That's a journey. We journey just took us on of insanity like that's just crazy but it's one one plus I don't know why should be surprised then again The scale one plus the moments that they probably go a really good deal on those components I was just gonNA say true. Take the free stage guys. Just take the free stickers. It's fine always want. It's Nice we're paying you to put this Kelly those color filter on your phone. That's not how good a deal. It was giving money back. Let's see here. Oh boy. This got some chatter over the weekend Google suspended the PODCAST APP. Podcast addict. You've undoubtedly heard about this APP. It's been around forever that's pot catcher. The finding a place with that is an amp pruitt. Use It oh I can't remember. He in fact anyway. Maybe he mentioned that on the show. You're right I'll check with him. Hopefully we didn't get that wrong. But so basically Google had suspended the APP for policy violations related to some new cove in nineteen policies. That Google has a whole has been put in there. They're trying to kind of fend off. You know misinformation around code nineteen that sort sorta stuff and apparently the policies that they had created extended into. Podcast Sorry the podcast. Addict Out Because well yeah you guessed it. There's podcasts about Kobe. Nineteen all over the place In fact also in Google's own podcast APP But it was just. This was one of those situations where we've heard the story a million times at this point where a developer. Here's from Google. Google says we've suspended your APP. You violated this thing. And the developers are scratching their heads. They're like okay. Well what is the thing within that thing that we that we violate in and Google doesn't have a lot of answer there they've just said no? Here's the thing we listed they give you the heading. But they don't give you the details and so then as a developer you have the dive in there and you have to kind of Parse it yourself and hope you get it right and if you resubmit too many times you might be flagged in that for that reason alone as well if you don't do it fast enough then. The APP can go away forever. And that's what the developers the podcast addict apple. Were afraid of like. We don't do something in the next fourteen days or however long it is. This APP goes away all of our years worth of ratings and reviews and installs and everything had to start over all because Google called us out for this thing. That all PODCASTS. App Have Cove nineteen podcasts in there including Google zone just felt like a very hypocritical thing but also really details the kind of the challenge that developers face when they come up against this with Google because as we know Google is really hard to talk to about certain things and this would be one of them Matteo you might be the closest of all of us to You know realizing a reality in in your own world and development where you might come up against this. What's your take on this? It's it's really really difficult. Because on the one side I I really feel bad for the PODCAST ADDICTS. team Because for them it must have been really devastating to be pulled off the play store and not have a good reason for it. That must have been really tough but on the other sides. I understand what Google's doing they're trying to curate not so much curate but police a marketplace that previously was criticized for allowing very harmful APPs to be out there and it's passionately I would profess to see Google make mistakes in good faith as they obviously did in this case because it makes for a safer Google play store and on the other sides You didn't see this happen with the Amazon APP store. Podcast addict. I believe is still available there and in the other APP stores Globally so yes. Google plays the biggest went out there. There were mistakes made. I'm sure things will get fixed at some point There will be an account manager Google. Who will reach out to the to the team and to their marketing team? And I'm sure they'll be able to make things right but it it. It's it's a tough situation to be in Hiroshi lock. Heimer has already tweeted out you know. Hey apologize about this You know we're working out the kinks here. Carry a carry on with your podcast folks. This APP should not have been removed. So Google is already kind of you know in contact with podcast addict to kind of Figure this out you know somewhat related push bullet which is an APP. That's been on the show. Many times they have a chrome extension that Suddenly they got the fourteen day. You know fix this or or it's going to be removed from the chrome web store again. Google is very vague about the reason. Exactly why and like I totally get it like Google wants to police. It's it's It's stores and they had to do what they had to do. But also an somewhat aware tangentially aware but not directly that apple may have some sort of. I don't know if it's like a like a fee that you pay to get direct access to apple in the case of certain things like this to note to basically give developers the ability to look deeper into the why what around these things. Google doesn't seem to have that and I want that. Don't don't think that apple apple gives to don't get apple gives developers too much more to work with. I've worked in several companies the several different APPs of apple where you submit an APP and It gets rejected for one reason. You and they tell they'll tell you what it is. They will communicate what the problem is. Or whatever it might be and then you'll fix that and you'll submit the APP again and gets rejected completely different reason and so so so like so. The the apple APP review process is very much. Whoever the person that's reviewing it at that time and a different person looks at it every time you get it and so you know so like no matter what neither apple or Google have figured out this process. Clearly because because they're they're you know the within with apple you're paying to participate in the developer program which is supposed to give you inside stuff like that a lot of time left pulling your hair out as well because you're like apple come back saying we don't like the wording of that which is just baffling and just you know very frustrating. I completely agree. I've been there as well At previews in up stores are always the the most worrying part of a a an ATP release an or an APP fashion release. And it's not just Google and Apple Samson with their their APP store which is very popular in Asia even always APP gallery and Amazon's APP store they all have these review processes which are not clearly transparent because they don't want some developers to be gaming the system What I will say is if you have a very popular APP and you have very successful. Metrics which differ from APP STORES APP STORE. Maybe for market market. You will have an account manager from Google or apple who you can pick up the phone and call so if you have a big successful up. You'll be looked after but the number of people who have that realistically is so minimal. You know what I mean like I would honestly pull. It has been around for years and has established that I would be surprised that they had that level support clearly. They don't right so yeah. I mean that favored nation crap is just that. That's what pisses me off about it. So much is that of course. They'll bend over backwards. Apple Bend over backwards to support Pandora or whatever it is but if I'm an upstart startup that's doing a really cool music APP yet. No support you know that I mean yes meritocracy and I get it but that's just even more disappointing in the whole thing. Works develop friendly. We not developer friendly at all. Yeah so so much. So much of this world is not independent Don't get me started on and all that so that sort of stuff because it's like you know it's it's it's slowly edged the independent creator out of the APP development or media or whatever it might be it's like You know it's getting very close to capitalism versus other mache models and things like that but it's very very frustrating. Why don't we move on and take a break and thank our next sponsor our first sponsor the evening This episode of all that Android is brought to you by Ziprecruiter Listen During this time of change and uncertainty in the world around us. We want you to know that. Ziprecruiter's focus hasn't changed They're still doing what they've always done. Helping people find work and helping find the right people for their open roles. So if you're looking for a job ZIPRECRUITER's working with you to find the right job faster. 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We've got some hardware to check out in the hardware shack. Let's jump in Berkey nailed it right. I wouldn't I wouldn't say ask sure I would say I was. I was hoping for them. The press of the wrong button in that regard but okay all right depends on who you ask for. Us audio listeners. We saw the video. Bumper of mateos hardware jack which featured a four level. Four four lettered a four legged animal. Eating some flowers and I was hoping with with vicar. Not being here that Burke would be on the on the side of angels but I guess not no thank you check fight of angels assist devices what you got yes so this for this addition of the speed check Why have three devices? Let's start off with the Nokia. One point three which is the most affordable of the three and I would say one of the most affordable android smartphones on the market at the moment so the Nokia one point three is sixty to seventy pounds smartphone depending on where you purchased in the UK. So it's just under one hundred. Us dollars from the KEA. Which are now Is is the brand of Hmd Global it's an Android goodish in smartphone based and running android go the cut down version of android made for entry level devices and it's based on android ten so the latest fashion android. And what's really interesting about? This is that it's also the first time we see the camera. Go APP so Google had been working on this for years. Apparently and it is a an optimized nationals. The camera APP that we see on the on the Pixel devices and which has been optimized for much lure cost hardware and a hardware that is included in these low cost devices. And it's really impressive usually under hundred. Us dollar smartphones. Don't have decent cameras and the camera experiences very very lagging and not very nice. I'm surprised by how good this is. And also by how good the Nokia one point three is overall When you have a hundred dollars smartphone. You don't have great expectations but what. I was really surprised by here is not just the Cameron. How relatively snappy it the devices You get a lovely screen. So this is an HD screen or a seven twenty by fifteen twenty Screen it is really good for watching video. You can see a good quality youtube streams on the device. It's overall it's amazing. How far android devices of come in just a couple of years? So I'm still doing the fool review of the device at the moment but the travel geeks have released a series of videos on the table youtube channel where we go through the camera go. App. We have some videos taking a HD video with the device as well as going through some other features of android go Such as dark modes one of the most popular things that people have been requesting. So we go through all that but overall if you're looking for to spend as little as possible android smartphone and get as much as possible the Nakir one point three is a great option. It has expandable storage it comes with sixteen gigabytes built-in It's one gigabyte of Ram but with the android go the cutdown APPs. It's a great experience for the price. Compared to what we've seen in that market segment previously and battery life is amazing. It's running on a snapdragon to series chipsets. Which is a sort of re purposed snapdragon four series from a couple of years ago but overall the battery life is really really good. Low Power Chipsets but decent experience overall. So I think that's everything for the Nokia one point three. We will be doing a full review in about a month's time when I've really put it through its paces Moving onto the next device. Burke I've got the while we he forty in the dockets so the While we pay forty is not the flagship from highway which is the way. P foresee pro or the upcoming way P two pro plus which is going to be released in June. It's the premium smartphone which is part of the series that was launched as the Hallway P forty series. So if you think about it in apple towns this is the same as the standard iphone. Eleven. It's not the iphone eleven pru. It's just the standard one and probably like about the way before is that it's a really really Compact device it has a six point one inch screen but it really feels nice to hold. It's not a big device much. The same whiz run was saying that His wife is looking for a device. That's the right size. This is a pretty much basil screen with a cutout for a selfie camera. In the hand this feels like a four point. Seven inch iphone. Se It is slightly bigger but overall the experiences great and it's not a curved screen. I hadn't realized how much I don't like curved screens in day-to-day use. There's a lot less mistakes who can make typing Phantom touches and so forth and overall the hardware is pretty amazing whether that's the battery which is a three three thousand eight hundred million per battery but with the new current chipsets and the MUI optimizations overall. It's really really good smartphone. What I haven't said is obviously we are lacking google place out of us as and that involves also the Google play store. I went through a of a different setup for the other reviews. Lots of people. Were trying to use them or side Lewd Google services. I embrace the fact that this is a google this phone and installed everything. I could from the hallway APP store. Which for most people is what they actually want. Facebook APPS the Amazon APPs and so forth and then I also side side looted or installed the Amazon APP store which you can do so Quite easily from the Amazon website and got all the rest of the absence services. I needed on that so I am using tentatives to the Google. Santos's I'm using Google email addresses in the I'm at Email clients and I've also been using services like The Amazon full services to replace Google photos Amazon music instead of Google. Play Music or Youtube Music and the overall experience is it's decent but if I want the pure Google APPs That's not really an option at the moment When it comes to the camera the camera on the way P forty is very very good. It's probably the easiest point and shoot camera. I've used and I see that whilst having used it side by side with an iphone. Eleven at the camera on the way before is truly a really easy to use camera. It has a Wide Angle Lens. It does really good. Bouquet overall fantastic cabraha sharing to apps like facebook and Instagram isn't a problem so things work. Just you have to bear in mind. There's new Google play services. It's not the Google Experience. Many of the really strong passionate android fans like so it will take a bit of a learning curve on the other hand if you're someone who's heavily invested in the facebook ecosystem so what's up instagram facebook and that will do the job so overall the way before is a great device. I haven't finished the review yet. I'm putting it through its paces and also be doing side. By sides comparison with the iphone eleven as far as cameras are concerned. So it's just a shame that this is not available as widely as While we devices used to be. It's only downside. View is that it doesn't have a full waterproof rating tonight. P Fifty Rating. And there's no wireless charging so it's only charging over USB type C. What does the price on that one? Kind of roughly in the UK including tax It's a six nine nine. So seven hundred pounds exactly the same price as the very basic iphone eleven. Model the difference as you get expandable storage. Because it's using the Quad Way Nano memory cards and it has the entry level model has eight Gigabytes Ram and one hundred twenty gigabytes of storage and the latest Current chipset the cure in nine hundred ninety. It's also five G. device but I haven't been able to test that because we live and where I'm staying at home We don't have five G. coverage at the moment but from four G. coverage standpoint. Really good really fast. It works on my five Gigahertz Wifi. So I'm I'm happy with that. And obviously we'll have more content on the tech travel geeks website and the take travel gates Youtube Channel once we finish that review who flee after bits of travel to put it through some handing off between a cell phone towers and maybe doing some roaming as well just to see how it handles that and I think lots to further speed shack of the day is another Chinese food. Ron Can keep your eyes and that's not okay sell but it is very very tiny but I don't think you can say that will agree to disagree on that but the show me read me notes. Nine S is a much more affordable device. It's a roundabout two hundred pounds sterling so under two hundred fifty. Us dollars and unlike the P fourteen. This is a big phone so it's an almost six point seven inch smartphone with four cameras on the back this features the latest. Qualcomm snapdragon seven. Twenty G chipset. So it's an eight hundred meter chipset which is very power efficient and it has a five thousand million power battery. I have not been able to run this device flat in two days since I got it And I'm looking forward to seeing how long it actually lost indata these now. One of the things is Is quite positive about the red meat is the big screens and has a big screen with a whole punt. Selfie Hamra and it really works well for streaming video. It really works. Well for video calls Ivin really enjoyed using it so far And it also has a side side mounted fingerprint scanner. Which is quite useful especially when we should won't be using facemasks if we go out about overall grape device USB type C. It comes with a fast charger in the box. Offer under two two hundred and fifty. Us dollars again. New Wireless charging no waterproof rating splash proof. But one of the most important things is. It has a courage port at the bottom The courage three point five millimeter audio Jack as well as an infrared blaster the tall. So if you are traveling if you're going in those hotels with grubby remote controls you can just use your show me. Read me note nine s to control the TV instead which is is a fun feature and the Quad Camera. Setup on the back is a fourteen megapixel Main sensor with a dedicated macro sense over the dedicates debt sensor and a wide angle lens so all the cameras that you will probably need and the mystery which is dedicated macro cameras me. Have any view really used the macro cameron a smartphone? Try to find a macro. I haven't I'm a big fan of the macro shot like sometimes you're walking down the street. See some flowers or something like that like sure. You can take the picture from faraway and it looks okay but having that like creative ability to get really close to it and get it nice and close and in focus and everything with good macro like. I love the shots that I can get. Sometimes it's super cool but it's not something you use every single day with your camera. That's the thing but neither do you use the color filter on one plus pro every single day. So sometimes I impose. It's it's kind of Nice to have that option but God and so that was my my speed shack but I'll say in terms of overall experience. Obviously you get what you pay for. We've seen three different phones in three different categories here One thing is for sure despites the limitations of the low end of the market the overall experience compared to even just a couple of years ago on an inexpensive phone has got gradually better the justification for a thousand dollar plus smartphone is starting to be a bit questionable at this point. Yeah it definitely is. And this is the right year for that for that question to to continue to persist. We're GONNA see a lot more of that throughout the course of this year. Potatoes speed hardware shack. Thank you material for all three of those devices. Everybody that wants to Find the the reviews of course go to tech travel GEEKS DOT COM Those would be posted soon. Great thing So I wanted to touch really quickly on some news that I saw earlier. That Walmart cost series of tablets. You may remember what was it a year ago. That Walmart had the on tablet that was released and I got super curious because I can't remember how much it was. It was like fifty bucks or something for. It's at ten inch tablet. I was like okay. How good is this really for fifty dollars? No Web got one. Did a review for hands on tech you can find it twit. Dot TV slash age. Ot well now. Walmart has updated the series so they've got an eight inch on eight tablet pro which is ninety nine dollars they say it has an HD display in two gigs of Ram. Then they the ten inch one It's a ten point or sorry on a ten point. One tablet pro for one hundred twenty nine dollars. It has an F. HD display and three gigs of Ram. Both have two GIGAHERTZ OCTA. Core processors vary likely to be media tech system on chip. Which is what the previous one had. And I've found it to be a horrible performer in that regard. So keep that in. Mind both have thirty two gigs of storage headphone Jack. Mike Rusty Card. Google play services of course Us SPEC- ANDROID ten. And if it's anything like the one that I use a year ago it's very close to stock the only changes that the little navigation bar has a little walmart button on it that when you press it. It takes you to like a folder of Walmart APPs. I did down on the left side so you might not like that but I did find a redder who bought one of these and said hey what do you know you can go into the settings and you can actually remove that button very easily. You don't have to hack into it. You can change the navigation settings and get rid of it so at least there's that are we interested in the on ten tablet look at Walmart being user friendly. That's fantastic. I I mean it's hard to argue a low price tablet to get people's hands to you know to to watch for media devices and things like that it does like we talked about when we review the the first time around. It definitely has a purpose given that Walmart has invested in streaming services and things like that there are people who that's their ecosystem. So why not have a tablet for them? I and this this actually gives me flashbacks back to two thousand and thirteen two thousand fourteen in the UK. The supermarket TESCO had exactly the same thing it had its ecosystem of services and APPS and its own brand tablet the TESCO huddle tablets I believe I brought. I reviewed one on all about android back in two thousand fourteen so these devices have purpose at just as much as the Amazon fire tablets. Do there is a market for this. Not everyone needs a high end device depending on what they're doing. This might be the Catholics BBC I player or video streaming service at device for use on the SOFA. Houston bed. Yeah I think that's exactly what a device like. This is kind of best for. You're not going to get this for gaming you're not going to get this for high performance even the one that are viewed a year ago. You might not even get that for media consumption unless you were giving it to like your kid. Who has very you know a lot less discriminating eyeballs because it just didn't really good at least on these they have High DEF displays. You have to imagine it. It's GonNa look okay so you can throw a net flicks on here or watch youtube and had a larger screen to have it on for them under the tent. If the tablet that you reviewed last year was the right idea a too soon and now these displays have become more affordable and they got the ninety nine dollars price point and all that sort of stuff. And maybe now is the time for the tablet on tablet. Man I mean I have get one of these on tablets. I think did though you have to go into the store. You can't order this online. If I'm if I'm not mistaken so then I'd have to like walk into they. Probably they probably have curbside pickup now. Lay You could probably. Yeah so you still have the on the tablet from Ostia. Yeah I still have it somewhere. I meant to pull it out. So there's new on section mood of ordering an on tablet from an existing on tablet on unannymous. So I mean getting. It's definitely worth an article on a site somewhere for sure. If only one of only one of us is a freelance writer. Way People all right. Let's let's move onto some email and as we're talking about streaming content watching media. We got a little rant. He recently about chrome cast last week on the show and Marquee more Roden said I've been using chrome cast daily since it came out many years ago. I've had the same issues mentioned on the show and for those who didn't listen or watch last week. We were talking about how chrome cast could lose the connection. And we're just become very like the sitting down and watching an hour. Long program was a challenge because of that and lots of problems Marquee goes on to say when the chrome cats ultra came out with the power adapter that included an Ethernet port. I all my problems. Were solved. Wrong the disconnect issues persisted agree that there are issues with crow on APPs particularly around the terrible. Hbo Go Slash Now APPs. Something that wasn't mentioned. That actually helped me was turning off battery optimization for all chrome cast enabled APPs. I suspect do. The various ways chrome cast was implemented within APPs and that many versions of Android floating around that the battery optimization is breaking the connection between the phone and the chrome cast device and that is fantastic advice. And if I hadn't given up on chrome cast I'd give it a shot and try it but now I moved over to Android TV where it never have this problem But if you are using chrome cast definitely looking at turning off battery optimisation for those enabled APPs that could be one of the things to to help it so really really really good tip there. Thank you Marquis and I wish I had put it in there because marquee was not the tinder right with us. There was another emailer who wrote in with similar tips. So thank you to you. Both great great tip. They're definitely something to to check out next time you're experiencing that or just do it now. Maybe you'll never experience it again. I wonder I wonder how many other things are floating around in the battery authorization that would affect the way these apps and things like that so if you have another tip that's not battery optimization that helps you get a more stable chrome cast make sure email us you can email us at a at twitter dot. 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We've got the APPS bumper. We might as well roll it. Because his one big APPS section devoted to you to music. This is going to be something I hope. Everybody's buckled in. Wow the most of us are in right. Yeah so the day at least the day after so last week the day after we did the show when we honestly had a great time Talking talking with Now blanking on his name Brandon. I'M SORRY WE AGREE. Tucker Brandon from Youtube Google Youtube about you to music The next day I got my transfer note and was able to transfer my google play music library which I think was in around like forty five thousand songs were in my library. It went by the transfer they said might take a few hours. It it it. I didn't time it but when I went back to check on it it was done and I was like. Oh that's great and sure enough. When I opened up the APP in the library section I saw populated with all all my stuff which is awesome and then I dove into the APP and and that happened. I didn't get lost. I got I got immediately got frustrated. I Dunno Jason. What what was your experience like. Yeah I mean I've been spending time with just trying trying through like Osmosis to understand just to understand the logic behind some of the choices some some of the stuff really doesn't make any sense to me and I really wanted to work because okay great so when you're when you say feature parody and by the way I don't believe that but air quotes feature Perry Between Google play music and Youtube Music. I'm like okay. Well then there's nothing stopping me other than just trying it because now everything is over there. My full library is there. I gotta say the the full integration of search. That were that that kind of in Google play music you had the online library that Google maintained and then you had your own library and how it was all intermixed into one kind of cohesive experience if I do a search for this band it pulls me results from both places if I'm looking at a band and all the albums. It shows me all the albums. Not just the ones that I've that I've got. You know in my down uploaded library and not just the ones you know like it. Combines everything so it removes. This layer of confusion of where we're going to find this. Where am I going to find that And you do not get that new music and from a usability standpoint. That goes a really long way for me to just kind of not enjoying the experience. I think it's it's almost like they get wise to my music. That's what it feels like because because you go so if you're in the APP you know there are three navigation tabs on the bottom right. There's the and actually burke if you want to share my screen and I can. I can illustrate what I'm talking about here. I'll be happy to do that. The I'm streaming now the link is in the arena. If you go to my APP there right I the rock star. Yeah so yeah. So so but In the APP itself on the bottom of the of the navigation you get home explorer and library right so those are three you know and here we are. This is my youtube music. This is the main thing and I've got a couple of interesting examples here but here on the bottom. You see got home explore on library right on the home. You're getting a whole bunch of recommendations that know the moment I transfer my library. These came over and we're relevant quicksands one of my favorite bands who Ghazi one of my favorite band getting stuff that is similar to it When I immediately noticed was that similar to quicksand is six point six point two two thousand subscribers. It's like what does that mean and so I tap through on the band and realize like Oh you have to subscribe to it the same way you subscribe to a Youtube Channel which was just somewhat baffling to just for Macon's concept stamp. What whatever I'll go with it but then when you continue to scroll through it's like all right we'll see banquets in helmet bad brains one thousand homo. Dj's I've never even heard of that right like like they're just. There's some weird stuff that that that crops up in it because what what makes me worry like exactly what's going on its algorithm but we're again at is if I go to library and the on the right side and if I go in here I can see my library and it's telling me the last things that I played and here. I can go to my albums and this is where the ghetto happens. Where you get up tabs at the upper part that that divvy up YouTube Music Apollo. Which is my library that. I uploaded you know to you know to Google. Play all those while ago and then files on your device so it's building that wall between what is considered youtube music. And what is your uploads and intermingling doesn't happen anymore. Which is a Mesler frustrating and then additionally there is no way to just scroll through my library like I if I wanna go by artists. It is literally just artists glance. Primary artist albums or songs in your library will show up here. It's just like one of my favorite things and we'll say one of my favorite things about itunes back in the day was that I could just scroll through and look at album covers and look at my collection and it was like the feeling of flipping through the CD been or the Vinyl Ben or whatever and with this. Almost I'm searching for a specific Bandra Specific Song. That serendipity of getting lost in my own collection feels like it's gone. That is a really really good point That you you put words to kind of what I was feeling here because I totally agree in Google play music. I can open that up and get stacks and stacks of covers. The album art cover is is a big focus in the U. I experiencing will play music and a lot of the other apps that are out there here. It really gets kind of buried and especially if you're going through any of your collection I mean everything's so small like like you said you really got to know exactly what you're looking for. There's no kind of like going in there running across something going. Oh yeah that that gives me a right now that I want to listen to it. Like that just doesn't really happen. Also you mentioned the subscribe to an artist. What exactly does that do? Because anything that I've that I had added to my library and Google play. Music is now in youtube music under the Youtube. Music Tab Right so it's there permanently. I couldn't remove it if I wanted to but yet if I go into the artists that's air if I'm artists in Youtube Music. I go into that artists. It's still says that I'm not subscribed to that artist when I subscribed you what exactly am I doing. You have to subscribe you. You have to subscribe to artists that are already in their library where seem as baffling subscription piece of it will feed into your various algorithms playlists and and things like that that are suggesting. But they're not doing. They're not giving you a reason to tap on that subscribe but they're not telling you why or what am. I be so is this from sort of future. Seo For music so when they lay down the shooting with a Bass Solo at the beginning of track. They might be whispering or shouting outs at Lichen subscribe. I hope that So I have two two other notes and then I know flow played with it a bit. I WanNa hear from her but like one of the things. That frustrates me. Is that like the the context understanding within the Algorithm which is frustrating and they end when Brandon was on. You know they love the we know you're at the gym so we're GONNA play you. Jim like music. And you know it's morning so it's going to be more chill stuff and I get that but what they've done is they've got these. You know context things like Romantic Moods and whoever is reading this and making one called. Punk rock love and look at that stock photo of a Pumpkin. A girl like as someone as someone WHO considers myself who've gone up punk like that's not that doesn't that doesn't resonate like that's not. That's that seems like pandering right. And then what's also interesting? Is that if you look at my my library. It is clear to see what kind of music that I like is right. And what what? We're what the interesting things are. And so that's why I'm looking at it. I'm like Oh cool. They're recommending top artists pop songs. Sonic Youth Awareness. Great home runs. Those are excellent. Drake no right. Dj Khallid No. You're not pain like there's no. It's it's proving to me that the they they're not looking at my. What my likes are what my interests are. And then you know by suggesting like there was earlier there was now we're in chill-out mode but earlier there was like happy hour music and it was two thousand are and be jams. And if you like show me the algorithm that is going through my library and the artists that I brought over and tell me that I have any interest in two thousand Zombie music at all. 'cause there's nothing in there and and then finally the thing that just baffled me and actually if you want to go. I have a screen shot that I loaded because I didn't realize GonNa do this but I did A. I did a quick radio based on you know just like I said Great David Bowie. Let's see what this gives me? And it plays David Bowie Song and then the next song up is American Pie by Don McLean. And it was like really okay. So they're both in the seventies. I get that but as someone who's listening David Bowie. I'm not really into American Pie. But then it gets back to you know to Lou Reed into velvet underground and blondie and you scroll through and if you scroll down you know we get a little. We get a little talking heads. That's great and then it gives me touch of grey by the grateful dead. Okay so show me anybody. Who's who's WHO's listening. Who's listening to Bowie? And the velvet underground who's actually would want to hear that song so like it's just feels like they're putting the energy of the algorithm the energy of what Google and Youtube can do with none of the human influence and none of the the way people really listen to music or the way people really consume music and it's the against that context you know and it's like the other example. I gave when I share with you guys that I started a radio station based off superchunk right classic all throughout College Rock. You know great thing. The second song was a was a song from and fire which is just like okay. You got nineties. And Two Thousands College Rock and Seventies. I and the thing the other thing that gets me is that there's no way to go through and say no I. I don't want that you know. Because it's only binary like or don't like and again it goes back to that context where there might be some sort of mix where it's picked up that I've listened to fleetwood Mac before but I'm listening to a bunch of other music and fleetwood Mac. It's recommended I might say no. I don't want fleetwood MAC in this context. But I'll listen to fleetwood MAC later on and as far as I can tell that nuances in there. So they're they're biting off a lot with this and I think it's hard to it's hard to to do it right in my like in the actual like it's easy to whiteboard the concept but then in the execution it falls apart at least in my opinion indeed PLO. What are your thoughts so I have? Thoughts of this is a longtime spotify user. Funny enough the Google Play Library that I transferred over to Youtube. Music is the last bit of music that I had in two thousand eleven. So the library that I uploaded was that library from what nine years ago which was a very different flow very different time of my life and also the trends of Music. That was listening to. You is very different. I mean I'm really like innocence. Wave and she'll hop these days and back then I was listening to a lot more indie pop and that that sort of thing. So it's hard for me to get on the pulse of whether or not the algorithm. Was You know knowing what I wanted but I did kind of get some? I did kind of get a look into how this algorithm tries to work so I also brought a little gallery Today class I brought a gallery for show entail to walk you through what might transfer experience was so I did this all through the browser and burke when whenever you have a chance there's a link in the dock to a google photos album and we can just go through that from start as a slide show in and go through that so the first floor verse three photos kind of show what the transfer is like and basically you go to the url you click on a button that says transfer music and then it starts the process of bringing over your Google play Music Library to Youtube Music. Okay fine that works okay and then you go to the next and you wait you wait for a little bit. You wait for a lot. Depending on how big. Your Library is my library. Much smaller than Ron's on Google play music. I was in the ten K sort of environment. Not Ten case gives me actually probably less than that environment so learner a little under that And again these are all dissolve music from twenty eleven so it was all stuffy useless too so I didn't even know that the transfer process was finished until I got an until I checked my email to see that there was confirmation from Google that From Youtube Music that my library had transferred over and so I get in there and then Burke there's a photo of that recommendation engine so I kind of went in there and I noticed first of all. Wow this really looks like spotify down to the backgrounds of the US on these playlists I'm you know I'm just saying it looks very similar. Now maybe spotify. Their design is slightly different. But it's still the same concept of like there's an artist in the background. There's like bright color. That's for that supposed to kind of give you an idea of what the genre is so pop music. Very Bright Vary like inviting country music like a Red Brown tinge to it that kind of thing so I was like wow okay. This is very very much on par. With what spotify tries to do and then below it was suggesting to me. I listened to some. I'm sorry burke that I'm jumping back and forth here but below it. They had offered me some stress relief playlists which is around. I think the screen shot around two o'clock or something like that I was wondering where it might have gotten the suggestions to give me. Lo Fi chill indie nineties wrapping R&B. Because I've actually been listening to this music but not spotify. I've been listening through because I'm so kind of disenchanted with these algorithms. That exist on spotify. Google play music. I pay for digitally import it and they have a bunch of APPs that you unlock with it with the membership and I use that for radio and I find it to live up to my expectations and so I wondered where might have gotten the idea that I wanted that particular music then. I thought about the fact that this is tied to Youtube and I have been down some rabbit holes for chill Hoppe for Lo fi to drain line. Some chill stopped. Listen to and I realized like I'm wondering of this is pulling in from what I was doing. It is playlists. Yes that reminds me I ran into another thing where I started. It was off the homepage. I forget what triggered it but was like here's a mix of things you like and there were three songs of legit bands. I like and then it went into a twenty five minute live set. From one of the band's I like that was on a youtube video and then an eighteen minute live set from another band. I like Youtube video and it was just all live footage of U. Two's exactly the thing I asked about. Let's talk to brandon where it mixed in. Mp Threes and mixed in songs with live footage from you too and treated them exactly the same. So yeah I kinda I do want to do and off just to Kinda I did take a little screen recording Which work was on kind of a second ago Brooke? It's that last little video. It's it's about two minutes so he can run it as just be role but basically what it is is I went in. I started manually adding things. And I realize that when I'm when I'm adding like Ron Experience I'm actually subscribing to these youtube pages and so what I did is I went in. I look for some of the artists that I listen to now and I added them to to my library. I checked out a couple playlist. See how these John Rose you know if they are kind of similar to what I get on spotify and I noticed okay. Same Bit of artists here is on spotify. Okay we're we're staying in that drama then. I pressed play and instead of just playing the song. I hear the fans in my laptop ramp up and it's playing the video. The actual video from the band that exists on their youtube page. And then when I go in to the APP again doing all this through the browser I did not use the ANDROID APP to test this. I did this through Google Chrome. I'm looking through. What is effectively video playlists from these artists? And I still have the video playing in a little window. The same way would on youtube and that just immediately made me. WanNa just get away from the screen. Go back to spotify. It was just funny just based on saying that flow. I just thought Mike let me go over to Youtube and look at my youtube home screen with the same account because I have looked at it since I am music and I know these recommendations from Youtube to really well because with the kids um constantly were put up youtube stuff just to entertain and all this sort of stuff and now I'm seeing in my recommendations. I'm seeing music videos from the artists that I subscribe to Youtube Music and they have a little music note next to them now and so. I am seeing results in Youtube based off my behavior in Youtube music showing on the Youtube side. See that's the thing. There's just so much I understand what the idea was here. But there's so much integration with Youtube that I'm immediately I'm just immediately feeling a lot of trepidation about it. I mean I love to go to youtube and watch music videos like I'm still into that. I WanNa see the full different things. It's a different experience. It's like having podcast in your music player. It's great for the convenience factor when you want to create a playlist of sorts. But I don't WanNa have to immediately go from one experience to another if I'm not in the mood for it and I don't want it in there. And maybe that's a purists take Maybe that makes me old school. Or maybe it's just the fact that these are different mediums. And you know it's GonNa take a lot to kind of get me to feel like that. Is the experience that I want compared to what I've had all this time with spotify and other online radio so yeah that's how I'm feeling I'm not feeling very good about it. I'll be like super nervous about it. And I'm going to give it more time because I kind of feel like part of me to right so I'm gonNA give it more time but there's still a whole lot of features that are missing you know android auto support is not there just up. There's a list of things it's like a head scratcher. I will say that I immediately jump from to music and I loaded up plex amp and I started a radio based on superchunk and I didn't get any earth win is a win Matteo win win. This opens up to other parts of the of the this planet Earth Are you GONNA jump on? I'm sure you'll probably check it out. But what do you think based on what you've seen Yes I'll probably jump on to youtube music in a way been flip flopping between Google. Play music with my music at my playlists and so forth and Youtube music which has different selections of Music which. I quite enjoy so musically. I'm I'm a bit of a an outsider by really only listened to music in narrow window of time between Nineteen ninety-six in two thousand and two so as far as I'm concerned all good music is pop from that period of time and that's it But I have discovered new music Through Google play music Occasionally as stuff like yellow gold music and a few other indie bands that I had never heard of but I found them on on Google. Play music at quite. Plunk their to Jason. But it's one of the things I do enjoy. Youtube music for is a lot of live Experiences are live recordings so things like the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain. One of my favorites. I musical entertainments is pretty much only available on Youtube and through Youtube music. I can use it on my On my g home Services and I can ask it to play the play that we'll play that Music I've been flip flopping between the two. I hope that by the time I'm invited to a lot of these issues. That we've just described have been solved What I'm going to be interested to see is how successful it is and if there will be behavioral changes driven by as we've said subscriptions likes and a other things to sophist new music part of the whole thing about music is discovering new content and that is going to be a behavioral change not only on the provider of the service but the people who create the the content. So this is definitely one conversation on this week in Google Going forward but it will be interesting to follow this through time and see how that happens you. You touched on something that I that I forgot to mention. On which is the discovery aspect is completely broken or not working and it was exactly what? I was worried about was like if you go in the explore to have and then in the APP at the very top of it there's a button for new releases and you tap on that new releases and it is just a. It's literally in a section called albums and singles and it is just a mishmash little excited because I saw this a new record from one of my favorite bands is that there's a the the magnetic fields of a new record. I was like Oh cool and literally next to a single by Katy Perry right which is like you know and if you need it which is literally next to a single from the Jonas brothers which you know like Ns. Somebody who and I get it. I know music snob. I know I'm the high fidelity type and all you know I'm GonNa go listen my vinyl and all this sort of stuff but you want you know like there are a lot of people like me as well to and. I never WANNA SEE. Jonas brothers record recommended in any capacity. I WanNa see new releases organized by genre. I want to separate singles from albums and it just like well. They're like well. People are GonNa want new releases dump them all there because we're we don't think that's important so we're going to deprioritize it and it just and like that's the experience that I want. That's how I want to discover new music like what came out like what what hardcore records came out this week. Awesome and then go from there. I don't WanNa have to. I don't have to you know sift through a bunch of you know stuff that isn't catered to me when you're the you're the company that caters content to me and do it very well in other in other capacities. So it's it's it's very frustrating. Sorry all right. I'll stop the the risk here is that we have a sort of music service. Fragmentation that a musicians and music creators will need to choose one platform over another and It will be back to the good old days of two thousand and two when I had to import Jennifer pages new album from Germany from Amazon Germany because it just wasn't available in the UK. It wasn't considered a viable market for the music label. Therefore we had to jump through hoops in may be that people will be doing the same with your music going forward. Now I'm screen sharing again burke. If you want to show the the the I can show you what I was talking about what? The new release kind of experience so we have a context for everybody of Urasoe there. I'm here in the APP. I hit the explorer button at the bottom. And you up top. You see new releases but you also see albums and singles and here. There's the Katy Perry's single you know. Jonas brothers right did not even show that. There's the magnetic fields. There's the band that I was talking about. You know and then you go to see all and it goes to the section where it's just all dumped in a way that is not. There's no way to navigate by genre. There's no way to filter by album or by single it just the and also this law this ends this you can scroll all the way to the bottom of this and the well. It's got a little more results but the other day ended after like twenty records and really. That's it it just seems like they just completely disregarded the need for this. Yeah it really. It really feels just as a whole deemphasizes albums the idea of an album. I mean that's been a big discussion in music. You know over the past many years as you know the the importance of a single and and individual tracks now that we're listening to things in digital format ipods. Kind of started this will. Maybe albums are being the emphasized and it's all about individual tracks. I get an album. I don't listen to start to finish. Maybe that's their thinking here but it misses the. It misses the mark for me as far as what? I want out of a music APP. It makes the whole process just frustrating and very unsatisfied. On when I'm in the mode from music like I want a satisfying user experience. I want to know how to navigate it and that it's tailoring. What what I'm looking for and I don't get that with you to music. I'm GONNA continue trying to play with it but right now. I'm not getting it and if I continue feeling this way. I'm totally jumping ship. And that's a bummer. Because I actually really like Google play music and here. We are again in box. Dang it again reader. Yes I'd goodness why. Okay Google W- yeah let's break thank the sponsor and then we'll get into the arena and talk about some apps we do like Minnesota all that android is brought to you by last pass is always important to have a plan for the unexpected. 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On at twelve percent and fourth-place quick cursor at nine percent that's fair so some interesting results based on that through you know through one thousand nine weeks in the arena jason and floor currently tied for first the forty eight points and with me coming in last. I am now tie in that last week's Paul I'm now tied with the guests for a second place or last place depending on how you want to count with forty one points so really fascinating to ties at the same time amongst people. It's fascinating stuff set me. That means I go first so we're GONNA to restart screen sharing so I this week. I've got a pretty easy APP That is great. It's going to change your life and it's nicely designed as well. It is called rotation manager screen orientation manager and you know in the past. We've looked at these kind of rotation manager APPs but this is the latest entry to it. I was really impressed by it so one and allows you to do is it allows you to apply. Apps specific rules to screen rotation Which is Great? Because I love to keep my phone in auto rotate mode and I curse. Every time I opened slack and it pops into landscape mode not portrait. I go now with this. I can set slack to always be portrait not landscape And no matter what mowed my phone currently is in which is fantastic so here. I don't burke if you've got my smile screen up there I can show everyone who's watching the video once you do all of the All of the permissions. You give it a civility rules and stuff like that when you open it up what you get is you see the up top. You see the APPS that you currently have settings for currently settings for slack and then you can have all you see a rundown of Oliver APPs in Alphabetical Order. And now let's say I want to change the CBS APP CBS. All access where I watched the good fight and picard you just flip the switch and it comes up dialogue the says. Do you want it to be on auto rotate portrait or landscape? I'm GONNA choose landscape and hit close and then you'll see now that the APP appears up. Top is one of the opposite. I'm managing which is Great. It's all very simple. And so now if I go there to the settings Various kind of standard Settings module You know I can choose to enable the rotation mode So basically whenever you Exit an APP. It will be no change to the existing notation Rotation mode of course it's got a dark theme which great everybody loves a dark theme and then of course it also has a notification that can give you a notification for a change a change rotation mode from the configured up so really really simple really nice elegantly designed easy to use rotation managers screen. Orientation Manager She replaced whatever using for your APP. Level screen. Rotations may go free into Google playstore. Love it some apps you want to rotate in some APPS. You don't and that's what. That APP is all about rotation manager good pick. My APP is well. It's no stranger to people who have watched or listened to all about android and basically the twit network in the past but it's never been in the arena and they are not sponsors. Now they were once answers on the network. It's head space and I'm bringing it up today. It's kind of a little timely First of all over the last couple of years. I've gotten very into meditation and founded should be very effective to just kind of putting putting me on the right head space to be honest. No no pun intended At the start of each and every day every day and I love it And head space is one of the few. Apps that use on a regular basis. But the reason I'm bringing it up today is aside from the fact that it's designed really well And there is a whole host of really useful meditations throughout that are all themed and grouped according to what you might be using a meditation APP for. Maybe yours really stressed out. You WanNA relax or maybe you're worried and you WANNA have meditations that have you kind of explore that a little bit or maybe you just want a silent meditation where you can kind of go in Wherever you want to go and not be guided through it has just has a whole bunch of different avenues that you can go down so truly great from that perspective but they have a free version which includes ten basic meditations three everyday. Meditations that I think change they also have a whole section for falling back to sleep winding down that sort of stuff that you give for free but right now they have opened up their their APP. In a couple of ways based on the moment time that we happen to be right now with Kobe. Nineteen and sheltering in place and all this stuff first of all they have select meditations that are free during the Nineteen Moment that we happen to be in however long that extends called weathering the storm and that has the number of meditations that might be useful for you. You know maybe if you have You know if you're dealing with anxiety that sort of stuff if got a number of them in there that are completely free so added on top of the normal free plan That are very good and I can't remember his name. The guy who does these Who Walks you through these meditations? He's really good at what he does. but I think it was just today. They announced that if you happen to find yourself unemployed right now as the result of everything that's going on right now. Don't even think you have to prove that it's a result of anything going on right now. Is You have to fill out a form and let them know yes. I am unemployed. They will give you one year free head space plus membership so you get access to everything. Basically for the year which I just think is a really great thing for a company like had space to do yes. It's going to get eyeballs. It's going to get people to listen to the meditations at actually use the APP and everything like that but when you're talking about a moment in time where people are really thirsty craving Some support and some help through Through everything that's going on right now from a mental perspective emotionally all that kind of stuff I can. I can think of a few ways that you know. That would be really helpful to help people in that situation out. One of them is meditation and This is a really great way to get access to some pools that are excellent in my opinion And to get it for free and is just what what sign of goodwill to say. Hey you're unemployed right now. Here's a way to kind of help you through it I just think it's a really really great thing that they've done. So it's called head space check out They do have like I said the free the free aspects to it. Otherwise if you're paying for it you're employed his twelve ninety nine a month or you can pay for the year sixty nine ninety nine for the year that works out to about five. Eighty three a month and Again it's a commitment something you've got to kind of commit to really feel the difference From doing something like this but I can speak for my own experience. It certainly helps me So maybe it'll help you so check it out. It's called head space and you can find it in the play store all right. Matteo you are up next what you got okay so I am going to break with tradition again and Gupta Nougat has been before so I have chosen a star Trek game which is Star Trek Fleet Command so star Trek Fleet. Command is Massively multiplayer online game with A twist to it. It's based on the Star Trek Franchise and even though we are in star wars month. I'm quite comfortable with being a fan of both franchises. Without living in denial. So what happens is with the the Star Trek Fleet? Come on game. You are put in an independence part of space in between the federation the KLINGONS and the Romulus and there's also the presence of the arguments and you need to build up your space station. You're a fleet of ships and gradually build up your presence and choose aside. So I've been playing this game for around about six months when I got the Dodji Sixty eight pro and I've been playing it a bit daily almost like a Jason is using head space and it's a fun fun game but there's nothing really revolutionary about the game. It's the usual. You have three base resources that become six with their variance. You can create alliances. You have shields you encourage to do. In-app purchases to get boosts to boost your competitiveness. And it's just a fun game the fun thing about it is also that you have multiple star trek timeline. So if you're a fan of the original shatner Captain Kirk. That doesn't necessarily live in denial of the the newer Captain Kirk and you can Because of all the different timelines in the Star Trek Universe that's ultimately have a three different ships all kept in by Captain. Different captain cubs. It's quite fun in that way. And you have to collect officers. You need to train them and upgrade them at just as you do upgrade your ships Ann's Then the online's part of it is fun because you create alliances and actually interact with people and it's A. It's a pleasant environment. There aren't any very nasty people. I haven't encountered any untoward behavior in the things that seems to be at least and it's a generally fun multiplayer game in an open universe so I would recommend at trying it out. You don't have to make any in-app purchases but there are some available if you really want that competitive boost and Yeah that's a new goods has been before star Trek Command. I'm not convinced that there isn't a goat hidden away somewhere inside that APP. Why else would you bring it to the arena? I'm serious if you if you look at the enterprise upside down and turn your kind of looks like a goat. Well you're this kind of feel like I feel like I'm watching that scene from Superman Where the people are trapped in the screen. So that's the phantom zone gets another franchise there we go. Okay Good Matteo where we want you all right Burke Scott a little wild right now I love it. Excellent Star Trek Fleet Command flow. You around in us out what you got. I am an actually. Just give me a quick second because I did not move fast enough but I'm going to start my screen share and while I'm starting I'm GonNa tell you about the APP that I brought today. Now some of you may be at home and you're still working and you miss having a CO worker to bounce grammar and writing off of well. The good news is that you don't need a CO workers do that. You could do that with an APP. Thanks to the magic of artificial intelligence so an APP that I brought today is kind of a competitor to Graham early which used to be a sponsor of The twit network but this APP is called pro writing and I came across it just kind of randomly and it works very similarly to Graham early in that you feed it you're taxed and you hit a button and then the engine just does it's magic but the APP does a couple of extra things to And it's a particularly good choice for folks who need a little help. Translating maybe their native language into the various types of English dialect on this APP can help you without so pro. Writing Grammar. Style and spell checker is exactly what I described as so I'm gonNA show you a quick little demo here on my screen. Now that I'm showing off so they give you a demo texts texts to start out with which is awesome. And so what I'M GONNA DO. I'm GonNa hit this button inject the grammar and so the engines going to do it's magic and now I'm already paying for the pro version and the pro version. I will tell you the price when we get to the end Because one of the reasons I picked this out is because it's a bit more affordable than Grammar released monthly offerings. So this one gives you a seven day free trial. That's what I'm using right now so back to the APP It's very intuitive to use. You just tap on what? It is that You would like to address and blow. It will give you the defense suggestions that it offers for your grammar or your vocabulary. So with this demo taxed I can go per line and Change. I'm just going to do this for Demo. Sake and change effectively. What how it's suggesting for you to change the copy you just tap tap tap and it'll do all that for you and the Nice thing is. You don't have to write in this if you don't want to you can just copy and paste your own taxed as you see fit this also has a synonym it also has a cinema sit in summum synonym engine And so the way it works is you highlight or excuse me check cinemas the way you wouldn't grammar and then you can go through the suggested words word so for the word sample. I've got different. You know whatever sample however you on is the same way as when you're doing the grammar check Now another couple of features that I mentioned before include translation Ability so earlier today. I translated a typical Romanian sang And the cool thing about this. Is that Actually I did something wrong. I apologize for that schooling about this. Is You can go to your settings. A you go to correct or settings and you can choose between your different language preferences and so when you choose a language will say New Zealand. You can go back into the translator and it will translate it the way in that particular English Dialect that you chose Almond so this is very helpful for folks who might be English as a second language speakers to just of learn how to spell things maybe get a little grammar help and what you would do is so you would type it up here Blah Blah Blah et Cetera et cetera. Translate into English in the new. Take this English translation and you would copy it and you would toss it into you. Switch the corrector and it would toss it in therefore you now. I accidentally highlighted the wrong thing when I did that. And so the idea is tosses it into the engine. Then you can go and do the grammar check and then when you're done go ahead and copy everything and then paste it into the APP that you'd like to go through so as I mentioned there is you have to pay to get like the truth features of this app the features that you want which is the advanced grammar checks the style checks contextual syndromes of vocabulary enhancement. You want all of that stuff when you're writing and so to unlock all of that. It's four ninety nine a month. Which if you're looking for something that's a little more affordable and includes all that basic ability of a grammar checking engine. I think this isn't a bad deal. it if you'd like you can pay for it per year and all of that you know out of the door But otherwise if you just need it maybe for one assignment one project he could just pay for it per a uses with Google Payment. Google pay payments system in so. It's nice and easy that way. So pro writing. It's excuse me pro. Writing is what it's called. You can look up in the play store for Writing Grammar Style and spell checker. It's ADS has ads. Unless you pay to unlock. And get all those neat features It's just a nice way to have a little grammar help win. Maybe you're feeling stuck on your end. Nice pro writing one word search for that and play store and you'll find it search and you shall find go to twitter DOT Twit Dot T. O. Slash triple eight four seven three to place your vote for your favorite APP. This week is a rotation manager Head Space Star Trek Fleet Command or pro writing. Burke will give us the very first vote of Star Trek Avatar second. Didn't see that one coming. Although I know burke really well he loves rotation. He's like a big rotation fan android user so when he's got a gripe he wants something fixes. It isn't that right burke that's right Fat Is it for this episode of all about Android. Thank you everybody watching listening. And thank you Donnie. For hopping on tonight. What time is it by the way where you're Adam afraid to ask is just after three? Am here oh my goodness holy cow Okla. Well it's time for you to go to sleep. Yes it's it's a pleasure to being all about android. Thank you for having me back and putting up with my terrible jokes anytime we love having you on the Dow What do you want people to know? Obviously Tech Travel GEEKS DOT com. Anything else yes Take travelgate dot com the website We have been working on releasing daily content on our youtube channel. The Tech Travel Youtube Channel where we break down the reviews of the new smartphones and devices that we think are to be useful for travel once things open up again and focus on more bite bite-size contents at more regularly. So this is what I spending all my free time on at the moment is creating this content and just generally testing out a new smartphones on and taking pictures with. So if you want to follow me. I'm at totally on twitter and the same on Instagram Feel free to reach out and again. Thanks for having me back on and thanks for the chat room for the amazing star. Trek Gut's related ship names such as the USS Mutton. I really love it. The tail always a pleasure getting you on the show. We'll talk to you very soon. We'll have you back again Soon who knows sooner rather than later? We're all still stuck in our home couple months from now. You just never know these days. Thank you Matteo. Thank you well. I'm certainly not planning on leaving anytime soon. So I'm here at home thinking Matteo for being here today. I Os appreciate your informative reviews as for myself. I am hunkered down doing a lot of work and also raising a child which is just so much work and it's and it's great now rambling Anyway I have been writing actively writing. You'll find some of my latest work at android police to find So my latest work at life hacker or excuse me and gadget. Palsy liked life. Hackers soon have been pitching them So just kinda working here on. My end have an updated the website in a while. I am kind of focused on paid work right now but in the next week or so. You should be seeing some updates. I'm doing a lot more online hangouts by the way so hanging out animal crossing. If you play that game let me know. Come Join MY DISCORD FOREIGN ZION DOT COM for a link I'm opening up my island this week to have a little meet up for people who might want to exchange items and also hoping to do another twitch stream very soon Haven't decided exactly what I'm going to do but It was fun last time. So I think I'll be think I'll be doing it. And thank you. Burke for having my twitter stream available although I guess I do have linked to that at my website. So thank you. He's good he. He rolls with rules with him. They feel bad. Because I didn't put the your on the dock and so I was thinking out loud anyway. Everyone thank you flow Iran. It real simple. Follow me on twitter and Instagram at Ronnie. So I'm not gonNA worry at any other nonsense standard ski rolling along working raising raising two children not playing animal crossing there. Yeah there you go scorebig dot. Io also if you wanna find your hardware is hard are whereas hard. We're we're we're we're working at. Were chipping away soon. Awfully thank you Ron. Thank you burke in the studio for pushing buttons and making this show happen. We appreciate that you go into the studio each and every day to do your job and thank you for helping us out also big. Thanks to victor who behind the scenes is helping up to produce the show. And then edit after the fact although today he had to step away for a short little bit but it was excused because he was finding out whether he and his wife were going to have another boy another girl and we know now and he gave me permission to say that he is having another boy of amazing. Congratulations that's really all about android. You won't be getting another for be though heck no happen a unless you consider my shows my babies in which case spinning one. Jason. I'm sorry. It's all right. I forgive you. Twit DOT TV slash. Hoa Is Hands on Android. That's my latest show Which is kind of my baby. I suppose requires that much commitment in time. Totally totally last week's episode was taking an android device and turning it and bringing some features from eleven and ten the episode. That's coming out. This Thursday is some advanced. Tips and tricks for chrome in android. So you find out how to use flags and that sort of stuff and a chrome APP in android that's twit. Dot TV slash. Hoa To subscribe and hope that you do that. Is it for this week? This show all about android publishes every Tuesday evening after Victor has spent hours with it. Because usually there's some work to be done so we appreciate it again. His work on that twit DOT TV slash. Aa's the show page where you can go to find all the episodes if you want to vote for a particular APP in the arena. Go to the show page for that particular episode if you go to twit DOT TV slash. Aa and then click through the episode. That you're listening to. You'll find a link on that page to vote for the APP in the arena. Had people wonder about that? So there you go but other than that. I think we've reached the end of this show. So let's routed out and just say thanks for watching listening. We'll see next week on hall about by everybody. I check out other shows here on twit TV. Include my show hands off photography on this show. I'm GONNA show you how to get the most out of your camera as well as be a better post processing so head on over the twit dot TV slash and subscribe now.

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Huawei Watch GT 2 First Look

Hands-On Tech

12:19 min | 1 year ago

Huawei Watch GT 2 First Look

"While we has a new smart watch the alway. Gt to gotTa right here and we actually took it for a little bit of a spin on all about android this week with Matteo Doni. That's up next. This is tweet. This episode of hands on tech is brought to you by last past visit last past dot com slash twit to learn more. This is a device that was launched at the same time as the why we make thirty pro last week in Munich and why we very kindly provided me with a review unit of the While Way Watch. Gt to this is the forty forty two millimeter model which is a chunky smart big one. This is the biggest one I think there's also forty six millimeter actually actually show the show that with if you somehow can choose Berlin frisky okay all right good a lot thinner than some of the the past is it's actually very very big size surprisingly lights for smartwatch of the size considering there's a battery in it and the components that are inside it so this has gps tracking built in It has a heart rate monitor. It is Bluetooth truth only in this model which connects to any device with while way health APP and it is a basic smartwatch which I can answer and receive phone calls you can receive notifications from the majority of APPs and view them on the display but you won't be able to compose replies at this point in time it does sleep tracking. It has a two week battery life declared I charge this up when I am boxed on Saturday and just check what the battery life is like. The two weeks is what they're touting you. Charge it up and then you got on an airplane Yes Dan the bitterly. I got on an airplane. We're still eighty seven percents of three days three days three hundred holy cow so the battery life on this four smart watch is really really impressive. That's an unprecedented and and they're touting two weeks and I feel like anytime. I read something like that. I'm like yeah but I get under what conditions that's still really impressive. the thirteen percent this is with heart rate monitoring on says monitoring my heart rate and sleeping during flights and travel it's ongoing heart rate monitor yes on out. Remo uh-huh balancer easy and using it through the health APP. You can see all your trains get some insights from it. You can also set the type of exercise. You're going to be tracking whether it's cycling the treadmill indoor cycling yeah as Switzer really impressive device. This is my heart. Rate is obviously elevated because you're super stressed right now. Super stressed I haven't set up the stress modest yeah but it's it's there and it also gives me information on the weather and other things the speaker on it is really impressive so this can play music as well as Kohl's so. If if you're really wanting to that guy on the train you can play. I can feel it rattling my body right now. It's just Yup. That's the track and ads. We can discuss that later date this is a pretty impressive device for the price. Out Looks looks kind of familiar two hundred. US dollars at this is the health tracking to see how I've been progressing through the full circle so yeah okay okay alright. How's it going to say. It looks kind of familiar but it has a really clear amyloid display or rolaids display. It's four hundred fifty three pixels by four hundred and fifty three kind of fool round one just like the original hallway. Watch from the all about android incident of two thousand fifteen believe that was the one where you Iran and I- Jason were on all about android got confused by saying what by the amount of ws that that are involved with with pope with lollipop the android o s a but this doesn't actually run android this light. Oh ask right yes. This is light us which is why ways own wearable operating system okay and that's optimized for this device the interesting the thing is that they have their own dedicated chips at. It's a hallway chip for the way watch not using qualcomm no they're not. They're using the Yolk in two weeks of battery life. Yeah possibly so the cure a one ship right. Yes so I'm putting it through. Its paces so far. The software soft doesn't seem to be fully optimize. Obviously this hasn't been released on on the market yet but it has a bit of lag in responses but just as with the first while we won't. GT that will in my view improved through software updates yeah so nice looking display display to like. It's a really looking at it up close. It's got a really sharp like good pixels per inch yes. The Pixel density enthusiast in me is is is happy with the divine. Yeah I mean it looks solid and it looks pretty much like a watch before it's smartwatch you know it's interesting interesting that it's not running where less because as we learned from some of the stories that was going out. That was that we're going out last week. the market share for for where is really small in comparison to what companies are doing with just the sap like just putting that on a watch putting their own spend on it right. I mean you're getting two weeks out of this. You're using the walkway fit APP correct and that one it stinks I think with popular wraps extrava it syncs with a bunch of popular third party APPS so you're not like it left out of other people's ecosystems like you can join in you can synchronize the way health that with Google fit okay do that as well like Samsung doesn't do that yet interesting so but what about the APP store situation so there is new APP store as such this is more of a Bluetooth display for your notifications indications and a music player. It doesn't have a sort of full. Third Party reminds me. A lot of the wall way fits. That's why I was thinking fit because my husband used to have one of those black and white ones that these two have great fitness tracking but very little yes yes. This seems like they're kind of positioning this more for fitness than they are for like to be a true fully-fledged smartwatch. Yes it's it's interesting. I would like to see if there's if if there is any data on how many people who have fossil we're os device what they actually use that smartphone for are they using luke laps or is it mainly a notification triage service as well as a fitness tracker and Heart Rate Monitor. This episode of hands on tech is brought to you by last last past the number one most preferred password manager. Last past has a new business lineup. There's last past enterprise. The now includes single sign on technology did you with more than twelve hundred pre integrated apps last past. MFA Goes Beyond Standard Two factor authentication through the use of biometrics and factors such as Geo location location and then last pass identity which is a combination of the two you can visit last past dot com slash twit to find out how they can help you. That's last pass dot com slash twit run. I don't know if you have any insights into they saw any thoughts on the matter in you. You're someone who's quite into the the triaging of messaging and efficiency. APPS IS CAM to use a smart watch. Would you be using it for fool abuse or would it be a triage device in your case well. I think the fact that I don't use a smart watch is my statement on how my approach to notifications Susan triaging messages. I've gotten really in the opposite direction of late but if I were to use the smartwatch I would use it purely in triage Asian not for full response. Ronnie's run tastic. Don't you to do on my on my phone yeah. I don't need all the bill. I'm a contrarian kind of responsible this. I don't I don't wear a watch. I don't need a fancy thing. The phone does everything I need for it so it's cool but to me it. I was so excited when when you know and you know the first Google Watch came out because I thought this was going to be great and it's going to be the good connection between the phone and a device nice on your wrist and stuff like that and ultimately I realized it was kind of you know just a glorified little toy so meanwhile demonstrating the the watch straps replaceable. I have already ordered a couple. Lavallee Express Mauka dial straps for the While we watch good good about time auto manufacturers to come out with that that little clip clip on mechanism that's so much easier than the beginning of the days kids when you'd have to go in with a screwdriver removed and then lose tools that's right now. There's so much easier to remove and and the flights and only Samson we're Weser android where smartwatch which launched at the same time as L. G. at Google Twenty fifty yes those the was it twenty four hundred twenty four. Oh yeah but in the in the winnable space I think that Google do not dominate the non fruity side of things absolutely not they are like number four where Oh asses. I I is is the off brand. sansone sounds pretty solid is its own show me has it soon thing as well well as while we're having it soon fitness bands which are a separate thing from the watch. Gt Not a bad little wearable here. That's pretty solved. The Wall way watched gt to does how does it look on flows rest. No that's too bad. I don't want it to go there I'm happy with my Samsung Galaxy active. It's staying on me until they come out with something better. Watch the real test selected the flow tests understood this watch because it works it works really well and it and it fits your wrist in bits of tracking my my heart rate all the time all the bikes. It's funny how amazing when something just works how great it is now. That's all that's all. You need to do just work. It's so two hundred twenty nine euros for the forty two millimeter two hundred forty nine year olds for the forty six millimeter. Yes and there's also a smaller model that I believe that's the forty eighty or is it a try on yeah. That's the one I saw Isa. Tech as her wearing not one. There's a slight treat tradeoff there. It doesn't have a microphone so you wouldn't be able to sign and it can receive kohls Dot Inspector Gadget dog inspector flaw but it is much lighter heels Nicer Mirus. Even this is quite heavy for me. I'm not used to such large smart devices or makes yeah yeah right on the way watch. Gt to keep up with all the hottest. Tech News and gadgets visit twit DOT TV there. You'll be able to find and subscribe to all our tech. Show's thanks for watching hands on.

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AAA 388: Pork Pie Portrait

All About Android

1:42:00 hr | 2 years ago

AAA 388: Pork Pie Portrait

"Coming up on all about Android. We're going to talk about a lot of things. We're going to dive into the ten th birthday of the g one and share some kind of memories from our beginnings with Android. Also the wall way may twenty light the Xiaomi eighty two and a two light blue stacks for Google lands, apparently coming to the pixel three camera app and so much more all about Android is axed. Casts you love from people, you trust. This is tweet. This episode of all about Android is brought to you by rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans, introducing rate shield approval. If you're in the market to buy a home rate, shield approval locks up your rate for up to ninety days. While you shop, it's a real game changer. You can learn more and get started at rocket mortgage dot com. Slash Android 'em by WordPress, reach more customers when you build your business website on WordPress dot com. Plans start at just four dollars a month. IGT fifteen percent off any new plan at WordPress dot com. Slash all about Android. Oh, welcome to all about Android episode number three hundred and eighty eight recorded on Tuesday, September twenty. Fifth 2018 where weekly source fillet this news, hardware and apps for the ad rate faithful. I'm Jason Howell and I'm Ron Richards and I'm Florence. I on low and welcome. Welcome back to the studio by the way that was really out. It's all good. It's great to have you here. Also joining us here in the studio Matteo Doni the triumph unt return. Thank you for having me back came to to reuse the hardware shack again. Yes. The entire section is actually some- somebody's to clean up that shot shack. Those goats left amidst shrill. It's just a, it's a little. You blow into town, you leave a bunch of goats and some hardware, and then you get back on a plane. Lord knows where you end up. The grass looks ice, but everywhere outside of the shack is really lush. You've been writing horses all day. I have been. That's been your afternoon or your morning. I don't know if he's your morning or afternoon, but you're going horseback riding horseback riding rights. He around the corner in Glen Ellen. Oh, of someone? Yeah. I was gonna say your face matches the red honor, Shirley. I'm a identified nuclear reaction in the sky. We don't know what that's. We're still trying to. We've got a lot of fun stuff to talk about this week as we usually do, and we're just going to jump right into it before we do subscribe. If you haven't already twit dot TV, slash a, that's our show page on the web. And if you haven't subscribed, you really need to do it right now. And with that Victor, it's time for the news. I, I was wondering what this g one was since Matteo was here. I thought it had something to do with goats. Here's your Android news. Yeah, goat one. They launched the goat one. Mogul goat one Bravo Victor at the relevance, very, very good. And what he's referring to is that ten years ago, ten years in two days ago, in fact, Android made its triumphant ceremonial. I don't know what it is. Some insert adjective. They launched ten years ago and today, ten years in two days ago, t mobile g one hit stores as the first Android handset available to the public marketplace over the weekend. A lot of people learned us to socialize, saw Jason tweedy about it. I piggybacked on Jason tweet and we figured we had to reflect on ten years of Android here. So everyone at the table has got a storied history of Android. I wanna know to celebrate androids birthday. I want to know what was your first Android phone. And what was your favorite thing about it or about Android general, once you got your hands on it. So Jason logic wanted to kick it off. I'm not as as mine doesn't date back as far as some of those here at the table, but mine was definitely the Motorola droid on Verizon victory by the way I got a cheers. Yeah, there was such a marketing like push behind. Way, and that was that was totally my. I like truly smartphone state from Lucasfilm by the way. Droid name. Yeah, that's right. And it came with the there was a white variant that had are to paint the back. Remember, really friend. My friend was still using that phone like three years ago. How are you still using it? Ford and that phone, you go back to that phone now. It's just all it's, it's, it's painful, but then it was power. It felt like power having that phone. And I think the thing that I loved most about it and it wasn't specific to that phone. It was just the idea that I had the desktop browser experience in my pocket it because before that you could get on the internet, but it was a little like, you know, it was made for your flip phone or whatever. It was like a a tailored version of the internet of browsing live journal for my phone. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have a live journal in town. Well. But it was just cool that like I could go to website and see the actual website and not some like tailor-made, like mobile stripped down version of a website. That's what I love most. What what about you? What about me? What about me. What about you though? I your first Android phone? Android phone was the ACC incredible on credible red credible, and I had that phone for three years at actually died at the end of a ES escalator because fell out of my hands and it went poop booth who've done this long escalator, Caesar's palace. And it ended there for me. So the droid incredible came out in twenty ten. Yes. So what did you use before the droid incredible like to know what the what the phone before Android was ju. Yeah, Jason, I wanna hear what yours with, because I think that's a big distinction as well too. I had a texting phone from Eljay. Wait, say with not a capacity of touch screen, but my God, I forgot the name I on their kind of touch screen. That's not capacity. It was. I forgot because I haven't used fan. Yeah, it was awful. I had to really press delete push number. I remember that Arab because there were a couple of years there where it was still like straddling between capacity and resistance. Yeah, I can't remember. Mine specifically may have been an LG chocolate or something, but it was a total phone. You know that that could play a handful of like diner dash was on it. You know that I'm gonna plan. By tetris on every phone that I got just like have one game. Yes. So so flow. What did you like about Android in the droid? Incredible. What's your hands on it? For me, it was about at that time I was working at MAC life. So everybody around me had iphones and I was on Verizon. Verizon did not have the iphone at that time, but also I was still really into building computers. So it really like intersected not vendetta gram of, I want something really customizable that is not made by apple. Exactly why geared toward. And then from there it was. It was instant love. I had maps, so able to more easily get around the city that year when I got my phone, I took a bunch of road trips by myself in my car because I had Google maps, free, Google maps at my fingertips. I didn't have to pay for it long as I had that was. Penny go out on my own, and I had so many adventures with that phone and I still love all the pictures I took with it even though they're so low rez. Like I have them multiple backed up because it was just like I had such a great time with my little smartphones. Good era. Yeah, so good. What about you? Matab Matteo from Europe. I Android device was a t. mobile pulse. This was back in the just the Lincoln to into the spreadsheets. So the t. mobile pulse was rebranded while we device for a mobile phone nights when I was gonna joke and say, it was your first device awhile way device. But of course it was. It was. It was rebranded alway device and at the time while they were an unknown brand, even in Europe. Oh, they used to make the net took branded devices. They used to make the business focused nitric Brenton's vices. And this was the first pay as you go. Android device t. mobile was the launch partner for the g. one in the UK as well. And this was the first keyboard 'less Android device, and it was the first that was also available without a contract. You could buy one of these less than two hundred pounds. So that's essentially the first Android device. I got moving up from a new kit 'n seventy three, an iphone three g the first one that hit the UK and Nokia e seventy one. So the new Cain Seventy-three was the camera focused three megapixel Nokia, the iphone walls. Well, everyone knows the iphone three g ands. The nookie seventy-one was a brat blackberry, like Nokia with the keyboards that was running Symbian I know what you're talking about. I remember people used to hack that. And that was the whole point I have specifically the east seven two on the end Seventy-three on the t. mobile pulse was you could really do almost Europeans. I know where they were just like they were doing all this cool stuff with their phones and every time I'd go to Romania, it'd be like, look at this cool thing. I did essentially the t. mobile pulses. What got me into being quite active on a website called mood. AKU polar Brian's website. I then became a contribute to and writer for his sites. And that's what got me into I am now. So it was very interesting time I land to louts these devices enabled me to to actually take my passion to the next level and gets into the into it to the point where my employment is. Thanks to the experience as I had with that. Yeah, that's a big big moment. Three point five inch display three twenty by four eighty pixels. Android one point, five hundred nine ninety two megs of storage and two hundred billion power battery. And it has a tractable which was amazing of, yes, there was the trackball era. I remember this. This is this is the thing speaking of the trackball way to my first phone. Yeah, which was the g. one. I actually I'll never forget it. I was I. I was working at revision three in San Francisco, and I had a, I was on an HTC. I don't know what device it was, but it was on HEC windows phone. One of those chunky chocolate bar ones. But with a slide out keyboard, like with the thicket blackened ten that stuck out. Remember those. And I went to have drinks with a friend of mine who later went onto work revision three. And he was also a much like us, rob Danilo, good dude. And he had just gotten it and he showed me Android played with it. I literally left the bar and walked across the street to the t. mobile shop on the corner of third street in San Francisco and signed up and got the phone immediately close literally went from the bar straight to the phone. I was just trying to look on my t. mobile candidacy if I can find the day open my account, but sadly all their online data stops at twenty sixteen. So it doesn't go back to twenty seventeen. So I can't see my account history, but yeah, so I don't think it was launched day. I think it was like a week later. So Ron. Beat us maybe old school. Oh, yeah. Most I would say so Ron be everybody on. I knew that I knew that you were there. At long. It was August two thousand nine. This quitely Tom. I mean, it was I was I was dying on that clunky windows phone because I could taste the internet, but he couldn't actually use it. You know, it wasn't awful and I got him it that that that that dang trackball was amazing if that holding the g. one even with a slide out keyboard. But with the with the orientation, the full screen, the full screen and the the, you I and also it felt like the first time I was holding a device from the future. Yeah, like you know it, it really felt like that was the moment where like, okay, yeah, I get this. This is gonna be awesome and never looked back ten years later. Crazy out. Cool. We'll get choked up, getting choked. Okay, wrong. Okay. Take a break. Happy birthday, Android, we wouldn't be here without you. Thank you. We wouldn't wouldn't be all about Android if it weren't for Android, it's true. I know it's, it's set the path. All right. So that was awesome. Let's talk about some other things that are going to be before before we move on, though. I do wanna share the fact that Android has given us so many wonderful things. It's given us. This show is giving us each other. Yeah, it's given us years and years of memories, and it's given moments like the other day at work when the head of our at work, the head of the technology group slapped me a link and said, oh, we were just discussing a are stickers and look what I found. And it was a segment of the show me talking and reacting about AR stickers on the pixel. The Star Wars guys. Oh, no. It was like, I was like, Yep, I'm like, I get around so well, at least they didn't find the blast video. I moment. I thought it was gonna be the glass, but it wasn't anything Android has given us a legacy of people saying, hey, I saw you on the internet talking about that thing. It's so true. So true. So obviously the g. one was big deal for its time would we also say that the Lenovo Mirage solo is is as big a deal as now we probably wouldn't. But it's interesting and apparently they've got some new updates to Google daydream for the Lenovo Mirage solo headset, which I actually reviewed a few months ago. It's a standalone daydream headset, but that gives you some at least minimal head tracking. So when you actually move your head in space, you get closer or further away. It's not just rotational. So it was kind of cool, but apparently they're, they're doing some updates to this, and I have a feeling that these are updates that will kind of spring into future hardware. Maybe we're going to learn more about more hardware at the upcoming pixel event or made by Google event. But the new update allows for six degrees of freedom hand trackers. I, including a design for controllers that will enable. Even even more more control. It's not just pointing your control anymore. It's actually tracking your hand in space. So these things are getting so little more Oculus like versus the old version. Whereas just you waving a wand, pointing it to the right place. It was never. I mean, honestly, it was never aligned properly. I always had to align it in the middle. Even on the Mirage solo. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I think this is good news for I kind of the stripped down version of VR that that is kind of mobile VR. It's interesting what they're able to do in in essence, Villanova Mirage solo has really become kind of like the developer device for this next wave of daydream devices. Google doesn't have its own official headset that falls into this stand alone category, but it's a pretty pretty important. I think to the daydream development and VR for Android, the devices become pretty important for that. It's also interesting to see that Lynn ova continues to be Google's partner in this space. So they did it with the first AR device in the another. Moving on to the the virtual reality headsets Il is that's very interesting thing that Linda was the perfect partner noughts other, yeah, of the others of the Android partners who maybe have thrown Veon activities in the background. I think you're talking about somebody's because I think your sub tweeting a specific company. There's both Oculus with Samsung and HTC with five there he goes, I just got you. I. It was implying something. Exactly. RLS t-. All right, Florida. The next one. So this makes me really happy being a person who learned how to drive onto Yoda pickup. I imagine in the future I'd like to have another Joe to pick up and now to we'll have Android auto. So this is great. I don't have to put a sticky thing in the window to have Android auto in Tuva so that because now apparently after years of resistance to has agreed to add Android auto to its cars, they had announced carplay back in January. And so now Android auto is likely to follow. And the official announcement is likely to be an October. I'm imagining will be one of those addendums during the pixel event. And I guess last week when I when I was out sick, you guys covered the Renault Nissan Mitsubishi alliance to bring Android auto to their fleets. And I, I just think about how this just needs to happen and especially for Toyota, which it's in in card like system was just not. Of this generation. It was very, it was very, like. In the past for versus like when you go into a Hyundai or even a Chevy. So and I'm just what's the matter with Chevys. I mean, shit. I just I just need him like Geno. You said it. There was this day like. Like technology. Going on in their cars. I feel like this is the this is the car, Domino's fallen, yes, right. Like I feel like the car companies have tried to do it on their own or not at all the flows point. And now they're like, all right, fine. Whatever you guys do it obvious. Obviously this is what people want. Obviously you do it better your software company. We are not, so all right, fine. Just give it to me. Just give me Android auto. It doesn't need to be like let me get into a rental car and plug in my phone. That's that's fine. When did enter it auto launch officially is must have been three or four years ago at this point. Four. So two fifteen. Yeah. So it took a little bit of time to get to this point, but at least they're getting there. We don't celebrate Andrew, Android, auto, his birthday, do we came out March nineteenth, two thousand fifteen twenty fifth, Mark, the Martha date, everyone. We'll celebrate his birthday next March of his fourth birthday. Perfect. Old doing a show from a car. I really did idea. So I actually did that one, Android auto came out. I did a lot of videos in the car. So it made sense like the experience do Eric. I think it's Eric. It's probably actually, Eric and I miss typed his name. Sorry about that. ERC wrote an Email to say. I've noticed Jason has mentioned on several occasions that the Lenovo smart display would give his children access to YouTube. Yes, I have complained about probably too many times at this point. He says, I own one of the Lenovo ten inch smart displays myself and love it. So I looked into it in the home app. There are actually several settings for YouTube for the smart display, including content filters and disabling YouTube for guests, which are unrecognized voices. He says, I've tested it and it does work included the screen shot to kinda show you from the home app from the menu. Go to more settings under devices. You'll find your smart display. His is called kitchen display and you'll find the options in there and what is it? It's YouTube restricted modes. You can turn that off or turn. That onto hide songs and videos that might contain inappropriate content. There's a content filter for you to TV to kind of adjust per ratings. So you know, only limiting it to g. and PG and that sort of stuff. And then like like he said, disable YouTube for guests. If it doesn't recognize the voice. The problem is my big problem with it is that in the visual interface, it still always shows YouTube there and you can just tap it right. And you just tap a video at it will play you video. It's not like it says now, say something, so we can identify your voice and, oh, you, we won't play that because you are not the identified voice. So it's still there on the screen. I want to hide it entirely. Options are good, and he's more options. It's so weird because you can you can long press on apps on the screen on Android and remove them from the main screen, and they stay in the app draw. Why wouldn't you be able to do it on this device? You know why? Why can't you choose what apps you wanna bubble up in the Hyde. The ones you don't wanna use? That's weird think it's because they haven't actually planned out that part of the home screen. I sometimes food at the smart display is a little while it's the the product is great. I still feel like the software is a little under baked because that whole last screen on there is. I mean, honestly, it's just extra I, I appreciate the instant access, but like I don't really need it. And because the Leonova smart display isn't just running, Android is running Android things from what I understand. Different things entirely resting, the plot thickens doll. So thing Android things is rather BUSTER man to celebrate. Too many birthdays on this episode, tracking everything going forward. The birthday episode. All right. So it's so thank you though. Eric for pointing that out because obviously more control is is awesome, and it's nice that they do have some controls in there for controlling the content, how I'll remove you to. That's what I want. I think that we should talk more about this and it. So no, I just seen in the sense of like we should continue to era grievances with the new visual representation of the Google assistant because they think you know, Google wants children to watch YouTube. Sure. I get it. They are customers as well, but some parents on why you too. Yeah, so I make it an option. I think you're, but back to your point is I think you're overestimating the thought they put into it is that I think that they just haven't finished. They haven't finished at how many, how many revs of and. Why did it take before we had a Finnish version? Yeah, Yep. But there should be some sort of family like umbrella that goes into every Google product. That's sort of the family link. We kind of should just be this. I don't know. I'm making this up and I don't know how challenging this is, but an API that you could just plug in into something like Android things and immediately make it like child safe. I think that would be also would be good look for Google to have that ability because surprise if they didn't move in that direction. Something like this mart display. Yeah, they're already showing even with just the Google homes they're showing they're, they're putting in a lot of features and functionality that Taylor two kids content for kids like they have kids in mind for absolutely cases for that device. So I imagine they do the same thing for the smartest place in its early. I get it so I'm not holding it against. It should be like after all. So I'm not going to, but I think you'd be a higher priority. I, if you are trying to sell this to parents, it should be a high priority. That's my two cents for households. It's important. And once they finished looking after the children, I would like them toll. So have cats pills. Don't want my cats watching YouTube and gets unrealistic expectations of what happens on the internet through YouTube cats are allowed to do. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Now. Climbing all climate on your furniture. Yeah. Dolgin tell you in this way is how he ended up with a gold hardware shop. Parental controls. All right. We've given you plenty of of ways to make your next billion dollars Google. So you're welcome. Let's let's make our own next billion dollars by the sponsor of this episode of all that Android and that is rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Who knows, maybe we're going to save you a billion dollars when you buy your next home. Let's talk about buying a home for minute. 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That's rocket mortgage dot com, slash Android, and we think rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans for their support, and we're going to jump into hardware, but it's not quite any normal hardware. It's Matteo hardware, chef. Yes, take it in breathing. This is this is like you're shining moment. Matteo not one, not two, but three devices, and you've got the hardware section. Let me put my little laptop away and here's your room. Great. Thank you. What you got. Thank you. So let's start off with a while way, make mate twin t lights. So this is the hallway mate, twin lights, which is a change in step from highway because they've launched the lights fashion before the actual flagship, which is rumored to be launched on the sixteenth of tuba. It's a preamble, it's a preamble or as some have referred to it. It says six point, three inch TS. Oh. Device with a six point, three inch display and watch. It's minimal basil at the Boston because the fingerprint scanner has been put on the back on the back. It's a pretty capable device and the lights moniker in this case means that it's a mid range device. It's using the same design language and the same looks as the remote upcoming flagship, but it's actually mid range device. And this is now on sale in the UK for just under four hundred pounds. So it's not a fool on flagship, but you're getting a lot of value for money. So as you can see, it's a gloss back. It's very shiny reminds me of the honor. It's not the ten or the online aura back, right? Is still quite shiny gloss while we haven't told us exactly what and gloss it is, but it's pretty safe to to seem that it has been hardened and. It's a nice, nice design. It's reflective and you can see there's a fingerprint scanner and LED flash and two cameras. One of them's a twenty megapixel sensor the others, a two megapixel depth thin. So so it's a pretty capable camera. I've been using this on vacation so far here on my road trips in the unites. It's performing very well. That second camera is all about just depth detection as a matter that is to make pixels not you're not using that for actual image. Exactly. It helps with portrait mode. If you didn't qualities opportu moods, it recognizes gloss much more much better of cats, those that the depths effects really works quite well. Now, it's a combination of not only the hardware, but also the software while is softer over the cameras still excellent in a way that our heads of many other companies in that respect and on the fronts in this relatively wide notch. Let's see if we can get light to catch it appropriately. You can see. Chew selfie cameras. One is a twenty four megapixel camera. That's a lot of condition. And the other again is a two megapixel that's perception on so you selfie portrait's are very good, but they're to shoot looks just like the actions as well as well as the the excellent sell fees. While we softer have selection of filters and mosques and backgrounds that you can adds to yourself fees including some very cheesy music. So this is me in the office wearing Mexican wrestling mosque by so. Kind hurt horrifying gas. So this is our peeking through there. It's a little Mexican that looks Asian. I'm outlets that looks. What's that. The Chinese or something. Yeah, it's true worldwide wrestling. Exactly. So, yeah, the the selfie camera is a very capable one. I, it has beautification mode. It's has a HDR. It's a, it's a good healthy camera. The only thing it doesn't have his optical image stabilization that old unin softer. It's a twenty four megapixel selfie camera. Well, yeah, and wow way has been known on their the recent phones like they, they have an emphasis on a I working with special chip on the phone for that AI functionality in specifically how that ties in with the camera. Yes. And this has that functionality. So if you go into the cameras in the camera modes, you'll see there's an AI icon there so you can switch on and off. So by default, this will recognize scenes or objects. So if I were to point it and my cats, it would recognize cats, dogs dogs. If you were to pointed at a a pork pie, would. Wow, you, let's see. So this is a pork pie delicacy from the UK. Yes, you can see that it has. Recognize. Fluids. See what happens. Will be able to see the, oh. Use there. That's okay. Does it say person? I'm usually it says, portraits, poetry or pork pie depending on where you position. I've just taken a screen shot of the camera you. I hear. Yes, it will show portrait modes. It has twenty two different modes that the chip and software will recognize and speaking of the chip, this is a new chipset from while we, it's twelve ninety chipset so slightly smaller than previous ones. Okay. Not quite apple, seven nanometer. No, not. But at a not quite always upcoming in nine eighty, but it's a cure nine seventy. So it's a right. This is a in seven, ten since a new mid higher mid range chipset from why we and indeed to the use. I've had no slowdowns. It can quite happily handle multiple multiple apps including heavy ones. And this is a selection of pictures. I've taken all taken with AI modes enabled. This is rain at my field stadium west as watching a rugby game as it handles HD are surprisingly wealth. Super sharp. By the way these I'm assuming system borough. Yes, this is a super sharp. I can see like all the details on the buildings, and I imagine those buildings have a lot of details in person they do. So it's sometimes over soften some details such as markings and buildings, but it is a enhance khloe in hindsight to in. So let's parliament square in that this was the writing of the marches around just over two hundred horses rose up and breast high streets, including my better half candidates. And yes, the the camera performs really well. It's not super professional. It's not as good as while we p twenty pro or Samsung s. nine plus. But for mid range device, you getting a very good camera. The only issue is of the lack of optical stabilization, but the software makes up for that. And this is just an example of the splash modes. Yeah. So this is something you do in editing after you've taken a picture while we offer the option of you select manually, selecting a color from the picture and everything else in the picture remains black and white apart from that one color. So here I've taken a picture of a red flower and a red flower beds and just left the reds as the one color, Alex. And it's a really cool software feature added into the native anyway, eight point two, which this device comes loaded with. So while we have thrown out a very, this is the original picture by the way with full-color why we have thrown out a great device with good. Software this, as I say, there's a six point, three inch tees for the upcoming while way mates twenty prove which we're expecting to be announced on the sixteenth Tober in London. So. Would not sure yet we hope to see a great device being launched then. But in the meantime, if you don't think you spend as much on a smartphone, this one has some advantages as well as the notch. Some people consider that as an an advantage has occurred port. It has a courage foot. It has a USB type seaports. Yeah, we'll put these on. The pork pie. So you see it has a speaker grille and on the top is just plain, does not for raids port as we've come to expect. Why way? Devices recently, and it is a jewel sim device with Mike Christie expansion. The device I have here has four gigabytes of ram and sixty four gigabytes means down all storage expandable with up to two hundred and fifty six gig and the battery life. The three thousand seven hundred and fifty million at eight one. Performs really well with the efficient chips that you get more than a day's use even gets more battery than we do in the US. That may be released into the fact that your network coverage is a bit more patchy in less powerful. So your phone to poll and nature. Nature. It's more often. It's it's our infrastructure. You hear that. Infrastructure structure was. I've noticed that even with my my own devices rooming on US Twix their battery life has decreased anyway, sitting. People, and yes. Oh, I see Victoria's phones. One of the highlights of the selfie camera embroiled in new I might needs flew flew to jump Geoghan ridi q.. Is that what they call Modi's. You jumping in influ? Yes. Come on. Hello? Oh, okay. So Hello there. Hello. Look at. I don't have braces hot. Now. The interesting thing is some of them will actually recognize you your expressions and change according to your mood. So do an angry face. It should go. Oh, they get has an angry face and this is angry. Oh, I saw the the is kinda get angry. Oh, there we go. Oh, there we go. No, I think it just detects your sunburn. Yeah, probably the son. Let me go. You do gets the equivalent of an emoji what's having fritzy fritzy branded version is. Yeah, and that's all. Thanks to always MU. I saw that's loaded on so cool. I'm, I'm really happy with this twice. I've been really enjoying using it on my road trip and vacation. The pictures are very goods. If it took control, there's a couple of examples of sunsets, the AI mode enabled and disabled that I put into this show album. Does it have an Obse let me check in store in the chat Wade county us in the chat room. So I figured other people might have the same question since I do know sometimes you might sometimes these things don't have enough c. which may twenty light features. Yes, NFC. Yes, it does. So you can use this front pay. So this is an example of sunsets in normally each the with the enabled. There's another one which black. So this is with normal. This is normal. The other one's with a enables soot gives it bit more of a red tune and mute some of the other dynamism. I spell that word and never say it, but dynamism. Yes, it seems to emphasize more of the detail in the sky dozen the ground. Yeah, everything gets a little darker on the ground. So that sunsets in Fort Bragg, California. Very nice that it is awesome. So that's the wall way. Twenty light, yes, right. And moving on, we'll pick an hundred one device. In this case, the Xiaomi a two light. So this is a six inch full HD plus display. From Xiaomi who shall not Matt back by the way real quick. Yes, it's a bits of a fingerprint scouts. Okay, think so. It's brushed metal finish. The antenna bans are very subtly embedded in the bottom and it's a metal end to the device. So it's a from a hardware standpoint, very nicely crossed the device which is relatively slim. This causes the cameras to create a bit of a bump on the back. You can see that from a design standpoint. S- I'm okay with this because it's an inexpensive device surrendered about one hundred and seventy five pounds, but I would have preferred had it not had such a big camera bump and they put in a bigger battery because this is just the three thousand million power battery. It's. Bump looks way deeper than it does on their site with the two lights you're showing this is the a two standards. Oh, sorry. There's two of them McCain. Got it. Got it. Got it. So this is very similar in hot wet to another device I have, which is the show me read me. This is the reds me notes, five pro. You see that they've puts less of a bump on the camera, but they've put a four thousand million power battery into this phone. So I'd prefer profoundly had done that button. Obviously, there's a product decision in a project manager involved here. This is only three thousand million power battery. It's non expandable storage at, but it is Joel sim. So it's a, it's a strange device, but it's Android one, which means it's Google's experience of Android. So it's the Google launcher. Also Google feed. It's got that in. It's called the Google feeds, showing me news about far away and other it listens to you say yes. So this is essentially a pure Google Android experience on show me hardware very good show. Show me hardware with a Snapdragon six sixty chipsets. This particular model has four gigabytes of ram and thirty two gigabytes of storage on the back. The cameras are in this case. We'll check. I'm going to move these pork pilots so that they're not there swim this case. It's a twenty two megapixel camera with a twelve megapixel camera on the back and LED flash in familiar, vast ical caravan new hip thing to do now is again new obstacle image stabilization, but Google softer and the camera softer. Okay. Seems to handle things more graciously than the mates twin t tell you the. Yes, the mate twenty lights. It was inconvenient give you the Moto x. four. And have you compare that Android one experience to that? Because I'm very curious if it's if it's different depending on region, you know? Oh yeah, that's a good question. I mean, the pretty the software experience will be pretty much the same. How Google's camera app interfaces the the the hardware API's for the cameras themselves may differ? Yeah. So there is a. Combination of hardware and software. In this case, what I've noticed is that compared to Xiaomi is cameras. There's less bells and whistles as less features. Yeah, but some things get handled the Google away. So so things like HDR plots, things like portrait modes. I'm sure that the equivalent Chow me device that this is based on, I will have different performance in the camera department compared to this. Right? Like those Google play a dish in phones. We back directly, but I have noticed a monthly software updates with security updates do come to this device at. I have been disappointed by one thing. There is no courage ports. Those USB type season only fun goal. I'm there. So this is the good news about this USB type c is show me hardware so you can get the fifty nine cents adapters and jewel adapters they will work with this device. I'm being chopping on Elliott express both to selection of them. They do great with so you don't need to buy the super expensive at that to go with this tonight. Right? So that's that's a plus sign. And it also has an infrared blaster at the top. One of my favorite features that's such a and that's in very much an international phone feature like the phones in the US rarely seem to have that IRA blast just to have that remote on us all the time. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. The good news of this is if you're traveling a lot in a hotel room, you can use your phone rather than the the hotel room. It control that can sometimes able you to change eight CMI inputs unplugged device in out the TV. So very useful feature for trials. In the room. So this is the show me eight to the traditional model. No, not sure the top relatively slim Basil's, but nothing to shoutouts about it's a good mid range device quite affordable at less than two hundred pounds. Sterling. It's Avila already available in many European markets as well as in Asia. It's not officially available in the UK yet you can parallel import one as I did, but it's rumored to becoming later in the year to the UK one thing. What do you mean by parallel import? I've never heard that. So rather than buying the device from UK retailer themselves or known as a great foot, you go straight to a retailer abroad who is willing to shy. That's okay. Alley express. Yes. Like Elliott express stores or equal Samuel learned something. So this is a device. I putt, just from an retailer out with the u. outwith UK and they just shipped it. So this is a show me a two and yes, so good device. But there's another one which much happier with which is the a-2 light. So this was year with the to light this I'm gonna pop. So this is about fifty pounds less expensive than the show me a two. It's a smaller device. It's still has a full HD plus screen, but Green's my Google feeds, you'll notice it has a notch unlike to. Yes. And this is a much more basic device in, let's it has a Snapdragon six to five chipset it's re- relatively old chipset, but it's still a fourteen nanometer one, which means it's power, efficient and in a device of the hundreds. One hundred twenty five pound price range. This is pretty incredible. Despites the screen being smaller than the two. They have put a four thousand million power back in the back of it. They've cut back on the design industrial design. So the top and bottom of the device of plastic rather than matches a little like, I don't wanna say cheaper, but it does look. Yeah, they definitely. Yeah, that that two-tone look always kind of. Yeah. Yeah, but is thicker. It's heavier. It has less with a camera bump as you can see. Yep, shallower it's shallow, but in day day use, I actually prefer this to the to have also noticed reception between the two. This has much better reception probably down to the plastic space for tennis, the Snapdragon six to five chipset performs pefectly well have had no problems with even playing simulator. There's in this case, four gigabytes of ram and sixty four gigabytes of storage. Unlike the two, this is expandable with Mike Cristea. So things like pocket costs, al-dibel net flicks I condemned alludes shoes store them to the d. cut and for traveling. That's big advantage. Yeah, not only that it's Mike Christie charging which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but at one hundred twenty pounds. Nothing to complain about. Don't micro ESP. Yes, Mike charging card, that's the next generation of power just wanted to Claire. I'm out the top. There's a courage port, so there's a headphone, Jack and infrared bluster. All right. So this between in my personal opinion, is a much better by getting much better value in terms of overall performance. The only real thing you'll miss out on is some high end gaming will walk back on the two and a two will take four k. video recording this Max's outs at ten eighty p the cameras are stepped down from the tube, but still pretty decent. It suffers a bit more in lieu lights. But if you're taking your standard food pictures, cat pictures panoramas in good lights. It performs pefectly well, you're eating. That's a Scandinavian bakery near my office. I can tell you wanna eat. It looks looks too pretty. And this is just a some pool of ten ATP video in some challenging light conditions with fused lights, and they writes raise it performs pretty well. So for one hundred and twenty five pounds of just over one hundred fifty dollars, you guessing a lot of smartphone and it makes you question. Why would you spend. Let's say four or five hundred pounds on some other devices. When you're getting this much value and the pure Google experience at that price point haven't learned that in the US yet. Interesting. If you go to the androids one webpage and changing location to the UK, some devices won't be visible there. Whereas if you go to the US fashion of that, the two in the light are listed. Interesting. So who knows? They might be coming to the US soon. I'm just making an assumption based on what's on the Android one websites? Yeah, in terms of what the showing off as part of the Android one program, that would be a lots. I think that's a really smart move because it's very hard right now for in this particular political climate for Chinese companies to really think about the strategy here. So I would think piggybacking off of Silicon Valley giant would be the the best way to do it just say, hey, you know what? Google will let you take care of it. Can you just put our branding in there? I feel like that's makes sense. It's it also I'd say alleviate some of the doubt. Some people have about Chinese software. It says. His whole good or software show of solidarity and of itself. As long as someone understands what Android one actually means right. Like there's there's still a little bit of education there for someone to be like, wait a minute. One heart. My other device has end with nine on it. What's the different? Right nines bigger than one. Nines bigger than one. Yeah, very true, right? Yes, that's the Shami a to light. So there you go. Obviously, these are shown me devices in terms of hardware, Google softer, greats experience. If that's what you're looking for, you may lose out on some of the software features that MUI brings a particularly MUI ten as I have on my device here. This is Google. Launcher is a very clean. You very nice lesion shed. I'm still not a fan of it's. It is very functional. It works well, pulse are a lot for me bubbles on squirrels, squirrel example. They love those growth actually out doing update your pixelbook because yeah, that's right. I know lots of squirrels there. So there we are. That's my wish for this week, enjoyed it. Yes quarter. Okay. I will look to renew my lease for the hover attack. That's a soobee that's assuming the Lisa's renewable. I believe there's a high rise going up and its place. Now I don't know if you notice it. Real estate is really, you know, it's really expensive like we get a lot for your shock towers and pets Luma. All right, absolutely. All right, Ronnie. Thank you. Yeah, what everybody seemed to have loved the Randy mail last week, but I don't wanna courage, everyone. The Email in rance, but that said right. Ryan wrote in and says, I'm going on the record. The folding phone is the stupidest idea never heard of and we'll be the biggest letdown of whatever years released the full will never be perfect enough to make the idea at enjoyable experience as switching back, the plastic from glass Wally cheapen the field, the device that being said, I hope Samsung does it. Everyone hates it long live the Google pixel don't forget. There's a, there's a, there's a smiley face. Smiley. I have to say Ryan, your your tribalism in your in your alignment with Google pixel versus Samsung, and and your your positioning against the foldable phone is a concern that said, you are wrong of the full of fully phone will be the greatest innovation to come to Android in the next ten years. All right. Long. There you go. All right, let's break and thank our next sponsor. We wanna thank WordPress for sponsoring this episode of all, but Android and listen. So when I had a website, I had a vision, I knew what I wanted to look like. I know I wanted what I wanted to do. And when assess when I sat down to do it, I chose WordPress dot com because of WordPress, there are no limits. I was totally free to create the ultimate online hub that was truly mine and with room to grow as I aimed higher. It's a lovely story and it's totally true because WordPress is awesome, and they let you turn your vision into a reality. When you launch your website on WordPress dot com. 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Let's see here. Yeah, I'm surprised the one that was buzzing, didn't take the rest of them out. Many of them are slippy. Yeah. Oh, yes. Of course they are. I, it's time for some map news. Time for the chill portion of our. You're going to talk about something blue. We're gonna talk about Android apps on the PC in case. You're wondering you can use blue stacks, the Android emulator for PC. It was updated to version four today is based on seven point. One point to it claims to put such an improvement in performance that it beats flagship device performance. It claims to be six times faster than the fastest Andrew advice on anti to including the iphone ten and galaxy s. nine it really depends on what PC hardware using though in this case acquired seven processor were sixty gigs of ram and g force GT x, ten seventy GPU will we'll do it for you. It's a good one. Android immolation on PC's certainly has come a long way, but I'm here Florence. I on to say that it's always much better on chrome OS. Thank you. Is it. Is it of curious to know better. That's very good. We need to do that every once in a while. Yeah, I do. Definitely think it's very interesting. I'm on the opposite side of the fence right now. I'm trying. So I forgot what happened is that I have installed on here. Pixelbook pixel book, but it lets you emulate windows because we keep talking about that future that's coming. Sorry, I'm distracted. I'm trying. I don't remember what it's called. So I'm, I'm on that Tra trajectory right now trying to figure out how to get full usefulness out of my Chromebook. Well, and there's even hints that that Google might actually be allowing windows tend to be installed, which rhetoric excites me a separate volume or incredibly as I was so excited. They came up backwards. But blue stacks, like I feel like emulation on, you know, Android Emily elation, for for however long we've been doing this show has always been kind of, I don't know a running joke as far as a running Android apps to the same speed that we're used to on a phone, but on a PC and never really. I never really understood why that was, but blew tax is just one way to do that. Apparently they think they've, they've cracked the code as a as a form of taste engineer who used to set up some systems to run apps in an emulator environment to test features or services. Yeah, it is very difficult is very resource intensive. Any improvement is always welcome those quite a few vendors offering options for mutation over and above Google with Android amulets a through the end through Android studio while they had big announcements about that Google speed improvements. And so everyone's working on it. It's maybe not something that will affect most. People in the streets met most users in the world. But for developers, this is very, very important to be able to run automated tests on your apps in a cloud solution or on various devices to be able to emulate different conditions is is quite important. GT x, ten seventy. That's pretty fairly recent GPO. So it's not like super, it's a euro. It's not super cost prohibitive. I should say. So you can, you know, you can do what you need on a PC. Do what you need on PC running Android apps. I mean, I get all my work done with a PC and a Chromebook. So I'm I'm having nice, perfect little. I'm nestled perfectly. Plus you can run limits on windows ten now. So that's trail. The world's going crazy. Yeah, right. I'm so excited. Have gone official yet. I know it's not, but I just I can't wait to. It's it's this is going to be perfect. I'm not gonna need anything else ever ever in the history of you running away with my pixel after that happened to the sunset. So you travel with your travel with just one device these days? I do. I've I've really pared down when I travel with and I do this. Do that doesn't an experiment to show people like Cam. Yeah. So now I only travel with mine intendo switch my pixel book and my pixel two, that's it. I don't even carry a camera separate camera anymore. I don't need it the pixel two. Awesome movie bring us which to of course, playwrights are so boring. I could skyrocket like organizing my things and my house during that time. Anyway. Transitioning in different direction. I need to stop recommending apps, Jason. They get bought out by other companies. Full disclosure, slack is the twits sponsor, but longtime favorite app on the show. We talked about it many times, Astro dot a. i. e. mail app with artificial intelligence, kind of baked in smarts in there to kind of help manage the whole process is been acquired by slack. Slack is apparently aiming to unify its messaging with Email communications slack at, you know, recently got a very large round like a large amount of funding, and so they've been kind of on a on a a, a buying spree of a few companies. I think this is their biggest yet so far, no terms of the deal shared Astro services are going to end on October. First while the technology gets integrated interest like it sells. This is such. This is such a rough one because on one hand, Astro was great, and I want good things to happen to the people who made it. And on the other hand, I love slack. I use it on a daily. Basis. I haven't always agreed with slacks anti Email positioning like slack slack originally was meant to kind of like, you don't need Email. You've got slack now, but we all know there's a as someone who has spent a lot of time, thinking about productivity in workplace in Email and chat and all this sort of stuff that there is a need in a place for Email like you need to be able to correspond people outside of your organization, things like that. And I've wanted slack to kind of embrace that. If that means there are bracing one by favorite Email apps. That's awesome sucks that they're shutting down like in less than a week and who knows how long it will take to integrate the the stuff. So we know good stuff is coming from slack, but what am I supposed to do until then. The bummer. You should use inbox for no eight now, no. Talked. I then see foots tweets about that. He said, well, that's one way to kill Email. Go ahead, slacks whole reason of existing is that's emails considered to be inefficient in many organizations strike does away with that inefficiency and one way to kill Email is to buy one of the popular Email clients out of obviously buying Astro doesn't necessarily chief that it really. It really does seem like, yes, if there was if slacks m. o. was while we we do what we do and exist outside of Email because we think this is better. I mean there at least in this day and age, there will always be teams and people who still insist on using Email and so can't. If you can't totally eliminate them might as well offer a product, and then catered even more people as a result of an integrated in some unique way. And you know, maybe they can come up with something even better so. And if you could make it, yeah, if you make an integrated so your existing within the slack environment then like you can write an Email from slack and you don't even know the difference. You know, like there's, they're definitely as a way to bridge the two. And I'm excited that they're gonna. They're gonna work on it, but now I'm in the market for new desktop. You got gotta week out. So well, I, I've got a couple of months before I have the transition away from inbox to wherever I'm going, and I'm kind of in the same same boat in the sense that I'm like, well, maybe I just need to turn off the band aid because it'll be easier later if ideal that now. So whatever you choose, let me know Ron and I'll check it out too. We'll do not quite sure where I'm going to go. I guess I can go back the Polly mail. I don't know. Let's see. There's no like Email. I think I agree with you. It's there's been a lot of moving away from Email and it's the whole inbox closure. And I don't know, just I like Email because also I'm sorry, but I don't like setting a precedent that I'm always available, and that is the problem with a lot of these, like I understand. Yeah, for sure. See and whatever it makes people easily accessible and you can do VoIP calling, but I don't wanna be acceptable to you after like five PM and anyway, we'll do a whole show on that. As a whole nother conversation, but flow his, here's the secret, don't respond. I now, one of my vacation is thank you for sending me your Email. When I return on x. date I will respond to only one Email from Pathfinder and bear in mind. You've already sent me one Email. I thought you were going to say, I'm going to respond to what Email maybe it'll be yours. Democratic one person that's still sounds like too much work because if you're getting Email by twenty thirty people that's twenty thirty emails, you gotta send. When you get back is eight just offer. You know, it's, it's just a luck of the draw lottery. One of you lucky Allers is going to get a response. Everybody else. Sorry. All right, Ron. You got the next one. I do have the next one and I was looking for Email apps. Oh, right. So. So the Google camera app that ships with the unannounced. Pixel three, we'll have Google lens embedded in it as we can't go week. I thought we'd make it a show without talking about something leads from the upcoming Google announcement. But here we are so Google lens embedded in the Google camera app, you'll get real time of images in the camera without needing to launch the features. Specifically, there's a video revealing. This came from a leaked pixel tips app that is expected to be on the device. There's another leak. The video showed the lens functions scanning a business card for Email opening on composed window for that Email address, which to be honest is pretty cool. So this is the case Google lens, goo camera app, merged into one makes sense. Yeah, that's grin right in there where you expect it to be winnow the take fences out of my pictures. Yeah, I don't think they're going to do that or maybe they will, but I don't think they're doing that on any sort of timetable from a couple of. Years ago. I Google just say that Google has been amazing because I have been buying some very fashionable clothing off of Allie express. I've just I've found like the good brands. I do a lotta research to buy like true Chinese and Korean, like stylish clothing, but all the washing instructions are in another language in a character. I've, I characters, I don't know. So Google lens you is just, you know, scan it, and it tells me like how many know sit agreed degrees, I should be washing it in and if I should tumble dry low and I really appreciate that. And also I also tweeted about this, but a nanny day fiance has a lot about using Google translate for like. I know we're talking about Google lines, but anyway, I just turn Google beyond saying no. No. I was just thinking about all the people use. Google translates like have relationships anyway. It's just crazy what I don't even know. I'm just. Translated the instructions for me, and then it made me think about all the people out there who have relationships just with Google translate as their only way of communicating hang onto Google translate, translate Florence for us. 'cause I'd like to talk about. My brain win onstream thoughts. And I'm sorry, everyone experience. Is this your talion friend, feelings, Yanni. Yeah. All right. Weekly, that's our weekly check in on Google pixel three leaks on as a running along. Let's let's actually to voicemail. Okay. Let's do the voicemail quickly. Tony, what are you got to say to us. What are you gonna say Tony. Throw, hey, Indiana, second time, caller. Thanks for the wonderful show. My question, what I'm needing some help with today is I haven't elderly parent who is still on a flip, flown, non smartphone and my wife, and I would like to get her a smartphone more so that we would kind of have location ability to keep keep tabs on where she is. And if she made it home safely, that kind of thing. My wife has an iphone user, so she's advocating that we take the lead to an iphone boo. Whereas on the other hand, I would like to get her something on the Android. It needs to work on Verizon and it needs to have about as large of a screen as possible. I don't think she's going to have heavy duty technical needs. She probably will play if you process drian games, but nothing too heavy duty but was looking for some suggestions of what is a good. Bye. Non-contract kind of phone that works on Verizon, you know, sort of in the Moto g kinda line, but maybe with a bigger screen like a galaxy note or an iphone plus size phone. So thanks for the recommendations. Love the show. Thanks for the house. Having Goodwin ninety. I feel like the Verizon requirement makes things a lot more. I just wanna say the contract thing is very difficult to do, especially with Verizon, I, you have to buy the phone from them outright for it to be not on a contract. And sometimes it's a very tricky process. Because you don't own the phone when you get it from them, you pay for it in increments because that's how they keep you can't you buy like all up front with? Yeah, but I just want to add that caveat. First of all, they're on option. You gotta make sure that you're doing? Yeah, you're paying up front, but I, you put an option in the dark night. I agree the motos e three was four hundred eighty bucks, which is, you know, I don't know your financial status, but I, you know, it's a lot better than nine hundred dollars for SAM's price. It's got a six inch just play, so it has that big display and because it has monal buds, it could actually be my find. It could actually be a rousing device to to give to someone who maybe isn't used to having like a smartphone because they can. You know, you can get these Mods that turn it into a bluetooth speaker, and you add extra battery, which is nice and helpful, and also will be five g. capable. So when it launches. And those might not even matter much to her. But you know, as far as just fighting that the cost of four eighty, like I was looking through the Verizon list of phones and this was really the only one that wasn't like a like a no date would be another alternative, but that's one hundred dollars less than a note nine. So it's still really expensive. So I just don't think you're gonna find anything for like two, three hundred dollars when he said, Moto g that kind of indicated to me the price point that he was possibly looking for and the z three was the closest I could find that if you wanna keep it. I mean, honestly, just drop them. It's like their project. Yeah, yeah. But the thing is, is that for apparent when they have a problem and say what you will love or is it a house walk into that inherited them true. I don't. I don't think elderly parent and project fi or a good marriage there. Right, right. Maybe t mobile, maybe, but I still think for is is service beats t mobile. It's also true. I know however, at the same time, if you if you were able to get her over to t mobile, you suddenly the doors open on the possible by it into that category. You may even want to get his e too. If you want to deal with that because I, I would take Motorola phone. I mean, you've Matteo maybe maybe a some of these devices that you played with are coming to mind because that's what I think when I think of carrier in the US that's friendly to like some of these other devices buying them on locked off contract, you know? Yeah. The lots of devices I'd say Mosul have a great portfolio all the way up from the e series. So the new e five plus the, the larger one has a is a good option. And from what I see, it's also available on Verizon. Obviously, there's some trade that you don't get as good a camera, but is pefectly usable camera. You get a good screen. Good battery. That's a good option as well rather than the g series which has may be a bit overpriced for what it is. Yeah. If you have the option and you have the budget, I'd say, look into the new Android one devices. You may need to parallel imports it from outside the US you referred to earlier in the show to know what parallel import means. Yeah. 'cause we defined. It you might want to buy it from abroad and pay some input duty if it comes into the country. Yeah, but there are plenty of options and Android one gives you that peace of mind of the Google updates on the security updates, something that previously didn't have with some of the ride, other Android spins that some of the the, the yams no dams come up with that would require for this parent to transition over to team. Oh, that might be too far. Let's say, in that case, moved to a love a have the e five available on Verizon. At the moment I saw I saw one in in a store the other day, and I was quite impressed and I thought, well, it's a good option despite the limitations of horizon now. Yeah, in terms of of the store and see what she likes store also, she knows who are people are to help her there. So the move to e five play is available as a prepaid device from Verizon from ninety five dollars. It's a prepaid device, but you can also have a hundred tied. So the device, a hundred bucks and it's a good overall hindsight's. I've played around with one of these. It's not the best device outlet, but you get in good value in mid range. Phones are a great value. I would carry them as a daily driver. If I didn't have my pixel they work. They do the trick screen size on those five point two in for the five play, you can't increase the size. I can't increase the font and and interface size and go in and see some of the accessibility settings and play around with those and see what might be helpful. All right. Hopefully we've given you some tip, Tony. Yep, the more you know, and now it's time for the arena. Oh, no. Oh, come on. Thank you. Is there anything sacred come on and. Knock, hush. Thank Mirka. Wow. I feel so welcome. I'll think rasberry happy about this multiple offers on that hardware shack. I say, we make this move. We're sitting on land mine. All right. Let's see. Last week's arena. Last, wow, I did not expect that last week's poll. Let's see your. There were three apps and bouncer was the winner at sixty four percent bouncer was yours, right? I wasn't here wait a minute who brought him about. No, sorry, that was rose. Those rows. Yeah, there's the guest step was Bihar awesome job for the guest second place radio Graham. That was the one that I brought twenty six percent. Third place. Odd man at ten percent, which is a which is a third place, not only for me, but for Burke. So just saying that also I feel like we're doing a disservice to our audio listeners. We were all reacting to the arena intro that was taken over by goats once again because Matteo is with us that said, thirty eight weeks through the arena flow. You were out last week. So you were sitting in the basement in last place. Eighty points, Jason. You are in third place with ninety two points. Okay, I'm in climbing up a little. You know, every little bit helps. I'm still in second even though I came in last, I'm still. Got ninety six points and Matteo represents the guests who is sitting pretty in first place with one hundred nine points. And now as the week is the calendar keeps flying by the days. The weeks turn in, you know, summer turns into fall and fall will turn into winter one must wonder. Will anyone be able to beat the guests at this point flow? You might be mathematically eliminated. I don't know. We're gonna find out, but. We will certainly find out it's going to happen sooner or later. It's going to happen sooner than you think, oh, I mean, if the guests keep keep bringing it to the arena, the way the happen then yeah, defend will. So we're gonna cigar plead to the audience, do not encourage Matteo. Jim Soleil, Jason, Jason taken away. Actually, let's let's thirty you I flow because you were outlawed. I yes. And I wrote an app today on my Chromebook so that I can show you all what it is that I do with my Chromebook. Okay, nice. It's different. It's different. Let's make this. So let's see. So today to the arena I brought up play on cloud and what play on cloud is it's a service that logs you into any of the streaming services that you pay for or that are free and you can pay for credits, and these credits will record the videos for you, and then you can download them to your device. And so excuse me, this past summer I've been working on a home archival project archiving my photos and my movie library and kind of getting everything from physical media in into digital storage. And part of this is included creating a little channel for myself. So I have little channels that play throughout the day when I'm feeling like having TV on in the background and I'd like to just have shows play in a certain order. It could be shows that I'm watching currently or it could be shows that I am wo rewatch. Ching. We all know I do that every year annually with Beverly Hills Leno to winnow, which is why I'm the expert. So what I do with play on is I will record these things all record from HBO. I'll get my episodes of insecure and put them in there. I'll go to Hulu and I'll get my episode actually. I've got some movies from there. Recently go to net flicks and get my Riverdale and get all of that downloaded. I can go to. Let's see, we've got. I know spectrum is, is a cable thing. People use if you've got log ins for the CW and CBS and NBC you can also go in there and download crackles. Got it. PBS which is great and YouTube. Oh, what is this thing running around on your screen? It's not my app. Oh, something off. Is it a, oh, it's a one of those Nico at Sumi things right. To turn it off. I'm sorry. Okay. I can't turn it off. Just going to have to deal. Sorry, I want to be clear. It's another Android app running. It's a little character. It puts on your screen anyway. This is my love Chromebook. This is my wanted to show you my Chromebook. So do all of these are the channels and you go into the channels at, sorry, refreshed, let's go into Netflix, Netflix real quickly, and I am going into my account and. I don't know. This is only downloaded. I don't know. We're just going to pick something Bill nights, science guy, so you can go in there into the collection and then you tap on the episode that you want, and then you add it to a q. and below it. It'll tell you how many can't see this, but I will tell you what it says. It will tell you how many recording credits you have. They vary in price. We'll get to that second though. Let me show you the rest of the interface. So here are the recordings I have from today as you can see, I have the first four episodes of the first season of Highlander, which I'm putting into a fall playlist. Lots of dark themed shows I'm putting into the run. I also have catfish which I also feels a very dark show about social media and how it can you know, affect us. Some dark stuff just the and that over here is my cue, and this is the recordings I have queued. And what you see up here is a loading bar, and this is the current recording. It's currently recording catfish, so it's playing in the cloud and recording it just like a DVR would I have to wait the full forty one minutes and nineteen seconds for I have to wait for the full recording to record before it's ready for me, but after it's done, I have it. So today I downloaded Power Rangers the movie. I Tanya some episode of the catfish. More from power or. Yeah, I have like a whole thing. And then I'll give you a little messages. Let you know when stuff is done and then you can go to the settings. And go to a storage plan and see plans. So you can pay for plans or you can buy credits so it it's up to nineteen dollars a month for a terabyte of storage. That's what I'm reading for you off of here. It's okay. It's actually just my it's just my crappy mail, so it's fine. It's the Email I use when I don't want it connected to my regular Email or you can buy credits. So what I do is I buy credits. You can get one hundred thirty bucks four dollars ninety nine today they gave me a deal twenty five for three ninety. Nine. So I jumped on it. I and I bought credits and that's why I ended up downloading the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. That's what I would have done to and you can choose your video quality. I just use standard def because I don't care. I don't need high quality. I ended up. I end up downloading it off the Chromebook and I put it onto the plex server media server and her house. And then that's how my plex server is is local only. So it's only playable at my house. But if I'm on the go, I'll put it. You know, I'll transfer it to my pixel two. Does it cost more for HD versus standard? I know it uses more storage. So if you're paying for storage than it's gonna use up more storage, but I like to watch things on my tiny little pixel two. So that's why also got standard def rises, plus your selection of programs is not high def, filmed in into town reminding me how low deaf our childhood was. Just just finished rewatching, Stargate type Star Trek, deep space. Nine, and it's noticeable how will h day, how on a four k. TV also good, so great for storage, great for funds. So one thing about play on just to keep in mind is they will not keep your recordings for you in the cloud. They will remove them after seven days. So you basically are using the DVR for the reason of playing back off line. Also you cannot. Log into anything. You don't pay for. Don't have a valid subscription for and you are paying for recording so it can add up, but it's just a nice useful thing. I have really. I've really enjoyed this process and that's why showed it on my Chromebook because what I use on my phone. Super cool. Question on your Chromebook. Can you store to SDR Mike, Christie. No, I don't not on this one that so many. Plea book play on Nabil's you to store to in a USB, and then I move it because right now, unfortunately, windows file system is not supported by Chroma, so I cannot drop it onto the family server, the DC. I know I don't know if that will change, but I hope it does. That's that's the other reason. I really want it so I can play. So I can transfer files between the family server. Awesome. Play on cloud. Great demo, love. It looks great. Check it out and play store. All right, Ron. You're up next. I have your up installed. Oh, show it off with. Yeah, so I was gonna. I was gonna pick it other app this time around, but then I saw this this morning and I was like, oh, that's so neat. And I immediately made the impulse choice to go with it. I know we're seeing a lot of different kind of interfaces and different ways to, you know, use gestures and in terms of interfacing with our phone. But this app is called fluid navigation gestures, and the ideas that it's really centered around the bottom portion of your phone. And as phones get bigger, we recognized that we only have the, you know, kind of our thumb is the main kind of thing that we use. So what this does is it creates this kind of bubble. Like guy that pops up on the bottom that you can program and on the sides. You see, Jason kind of pulled it there. So if you swipe up or swipe from the left or right, that little bubble kind of comes out and depending on how far you pull it or how long you hold it for it can either be used to make, you know, kind of go forward and back on your phone or to launch specific apps. So you're able to program the left the right and the bottom three areas of you. You kind of get it there. It's kind of Boston, the one that I have a hard time with that because your phone, but yeah. So have you swipe up from the bottom there? You can go bottom left bottom center or bottom. Right. And you're able to you see that we'll pull up your notifications pain. If you slide up there, it is. If you pull it up slide from the, I think I go above the there. It is there. At home. That's the, yeah, that's the home one and then go to the last their, they're, you know that that launches, what is that a this assistant? So there it is. That was great is that you can program these? You can. It's totally customizable. So if you go back to the app itself, Jason, you can you are able to hide the the software navigation keys if you install the version with route. But that's a whole thing. You don't need to route the phone to use this, but hearing on the actions of triggers. They're on the bottom edge. So if you wanted to edit what the bottom left side was, you could tap that one. This is a system, sorry. Sorry. Yeah. So you can enable it or disabled it, and you can make it for the quick site swipe to launch assistant or swiping whole to do voice assistant. And here you can change it to a bunch of different actions. And then if you do swipe at hold, you can change, you can launch apps. You can launch shortcuts fully customizable and just gives you another way to basically interact with your phone. And once you start using it as a. Using today? Right now, it's a little awkward because we're kind of we're pulling it the show you what it looks like. But once you start using it and see it, you know it just like you don't even notice that. It just happens. It's like launch assistant in it, and the little bubble guy comes up and it doesn't. And when you're using when using specific apps that will launch the play store, they go, there does. It just becomes another way to kind of interface with your phone very quickly. It's one of those gesture based tools that you'd have to very, very seamlessly. So it's called fluid navigation. Gestures is free and the Google play store. Trust me, watch the video on it, play with it. It's kind of hard to demo is one of those things that you just use when he start using it and you're like, oh, cool, I get it and it's free. So check it out. Fluid navigation gestures. Nice fluid, fluid navigate chancy ju. I just love the little it just like it's picks up from the battle of the little black Bob and kind of. It looks cool, so nice. Reminds me of something I've seen in some Chinese web browsers in terms of interface. Yeah, it's a different way to do it. Yeah. Evy pro version. By the way dollar ninety nine that alum allow you to do a whole bunch of other assigning I think the more than one app with free. It's kind of like a trial. But yeah, that'll open up all these apps if you do the dollar ninety nine. So very nice, fluid net navigation gestures, right? Matteo what are you have? Well, it would be wrong of me to not carry on with even so. So today my app is find it. In, oh, darn. He can't find it ladies and gentlemen too bad. We're going to have to. Oh, so it's goo horrible attack. How I thought this was branding for US food on Verizon, but goats, turbo attack isn't very simple game with left and right controls. And it's essentially the aim of the go to create as much mayhem as possible and as well as potentially being hits by lorries, you can go around and eventually destroy buildings, collect coins. And if you can find them chilis and your goats becomes more powerful and spouts flames, creating even more mayhem. So it's a bit of a disaster game enthusiasts, and I really enjoy it because it's very simplest, just left and rights deer goats to me him. And the graphics remind me in a way of crossing goats, the other game. Yeah, I brought to the arena in the sense that it's nice and block key and allows me very lychee to, yes, I think potentially deliberates. But yeah, it's enjoyable. It's a bit retro without being go ahead without being completely Rachel. So I find this this, you have your thing, my dad, this is fun. Kuts this as ad-supported as you can see that spot your dad's, you can unlock the ad free fashion with an inap- purchase, but just generally for bits of fun with some fun music and background noises I think goats attack turbo is worthy of votes in the AP marina. Obviously it's not just for myself and the guests, but also for team g g g. Yeah, you guys are on a roll. Even these goat games said, we have to stop the madness people. This is called coat turbo attack. If you've been wow, d- by this demonstration goes, please really. Sorry. Not for you. Get out of the play store. Goat turbo attack amazing stuff. Great. Plain top top notch. The kids. It might come back with the go-to Noddy the the Luma goaty now I don't know. I don't know, but it's something along those lines going with the Highlander seem that flew stocks did I think it was something like could go can only be one. Mecca go. All right. I've got a game, but it's different. It doesn't have any goats in it does have cards in it because I like me a good card game. This is the new game just released by noodle. Cake, studios called flip flop solitaire. If you'd like solitaire game, this takes solitaire and kinda changes the rules a little bit and flip flop. Noodle cake did Altos odyssey. I mean noodle, Kate just has a ton of games. You'll recognize half of them if you go to their store page. But anyways, let's see here. How do I show this off easily when you when you you can get it for free. So there is a free version or you can pay to ninety nine that lifts some of the limitations on some of these other games you can. You can do a game where it sticks to a single suit or obviously two, three, four suits five. And you know, just different types of game play. I'm gonna go with a single suit to kind of give you a sense of of how you play this. So it's five different stacks. A couple of different cards in each stack as you can see him just playing single suit. So they're all going to be in the same suit here. And the idea is that you can stack similar to solitaire. You can stack up and down on numbers. Of course, I got a really bad hand delta me, so there's not much I can do with it, but so I could go five. I could go three to four, four to five, which is kind of like the standard right? Or I could go eight. Oh Dan, I was going to go the other way eight to nine, but you can basically do it in either direction. And you know the idea with solitaire is still very similar, right? You want throw all of those stacks up there and eliminate everything. And I think they say something like ninety five percent of the games that are dealt are totally solvable. You just haven't figured out the right permutation to make it happen because it gets really difficult as you play playing with a single suit is obviously going to be a little bit easier than some of the other versions of this game. But obviously when I get stumped, I don't. If I'm necessarily stumped here yet, but if I got stumped and I couldn't move things over, I could only I can only move over runs. So we'll see how this is eight nine and then six. If I wanted to move this, it would. It would require me to move only from the nine and that gets more complicated as you have. If as you go with more suits, if you play a game with more suits, you can only move runs of that suit. So if you had like five different suits here, even if they were a run of eight, nine, ten, nine, eight, seven, eight, nine or whatever. You can only move the ones that our hearts are the ones that are, you know, clubs or whatever it gets it. It's maybe complicated at first to kind of understand. Although I think the singles who kind of gives you an pretty easy indication as far as how it plays and you really just running against the time and you want to clear the clear the tables, fast as possible. Go ahead and quit out of this in just show you real quick. What a five suit game looks like. I haven't played five sued actually. But I mean, it's pretty much what you expect and you don't have the alternate the suits. Right? So I could have the same suits. Go in there. No big deal to a have anything to play here. I have the nine could go ahead and do that. I could bring the eight, I because these are both the same suit. I could actually grab from the aid move it across. And so similar similar rules to solitaire but definitely played differently and it's a lot of fun. It's called flip flop solitaire. It's a really nice game to just kind of have installed for those boring moments on a plane when you need yet. Another game too. You know, last you twenty minutes until you kind of decide, all right. I wanna play something else or four hours. Sure. If you love solitaire, you might actually play this before hours. It's called flip flop solitaire and you should check it out. All right. So I'm gonna go ahead and hit publish on this, and then I'm gonna hit copy on this and then paste on this and then public. Because I forgot to do it. All right. Got twit. Dot t. o. slash triple a poll three. Eight eight is where you go to place your vote for either play on cloud fluid navigation gestures. Goat turbo attack or flip flop solitaire and I don't encourage them. Yes. Victor, are you going to encourage him. Flip thought solitaire book. Each one has a serious, dramatic click. Yeah. I got into it. Victor for your vote. I appreciate it. The checks in the mail and we will look into the winner on next week's episode. That's not how you play. That's how I play. I'm losing. I'm losing too. So I'm, I'm pulling out the stops. We've reached the end and Ron, I know that you had to go. So we will wrap this out. We're good. But. Absolutely. Matteo always great. Gets you in the studio, man. Thank you. Thank you for having me again. Yep. Again, I will return to the shack when when it's available. Radical? Yes. What do you want? What do you want to believe people with? Where's people can't follow all the stuff working out? Well, I'm still working on take Travelgate. So night colleague and friend, Luke cash publishing is a bit limited at the moment because I'm obviously on vacation here in the US and Lucas on vacation in China, the movement. So we'll start publishing more rate regularly very soon. So expects more bananas for scale. Okay. Simulates guesting of smartphones and. Yes. There's going to be a lot more more content coming up soon. We've also have a YouTube channel. Take travel geeks on YouTube, just as you subscribe to all about Android on YouTube, you can subscribe to us there as well. Very nice and our podcast. I also have the take tougher geeks, podcasts, and I believe tomorrow I'm recording. Miriam's rows. Move out. Tech show. I'm against guest them hotel there as well. Awesome on they had a and fourth. Fun on the show right on potato. It's always great to get you in here. We always know that goats are in store for us, and that makes at least a couple of us happy makes one of us will Langree I think it's fine. I can hear his eyeballs rolling from. Yes. Thanks to give it to flow. What about you? What about me? You know, I am taking a little break right now because I had a really busy summer, so laying a little low on work, but I'll tell you about what I'm doing at my blog at Florence ion dot com, which will be updated soon because that's the next thing I'm planning on doing once I am fully recovered from whatever sickness knocked me out this month. Yeah, I haven't updated since June, but I'm planning some. I'm came up with a tagline. I have some blogs planned. I'm planning on going full like personal blog mode, Ocsar hard. I grew up in the area of blogs. We're like girl. Hell out of us cows were on the internet and we had blog networks, and we were had a lot of online friends just from blog networks that I belong to because that's how I made friends, and we would just write about our life. And so I figured I'd like to go back to that for some other for some inspirational reasons. So what's incubating in the house of flow right now? Right on the house flow flow. What's going on in the house run? Well, despite it being muggy and humid and gross in New York City and me having a head cold for some reason. Second episode of my new podcast launched flow. You didn't even know did this go to finale podcast dot com and today the new episode were me and my cohost carry analyze the series finale of smallville which was a TV show that was about superman that ran for ten years and carry. Never watch a single episode of it, and I watched all of them and we talked about it. So if you go to finale podcast dot com, you can listen to that. It's a fun half hour of trying to explain why you spend ten years watching a dump superhero TV show supplies go subscribe, go to podcasts, or I tunes or radio public wherever you listen to your podcasts, finale podcasts dot com. Check it all out. There follow me on Twitter Roenick so and on Instagram Roddick. So they. You need anybody to come on and talk about that. Oh, of course. You see, you see, the whole premise of the show is the whole premise of the podcast is we talk about shows that carries never seen. See not to it. Oh, God has seen Kardashians keeping up down. I've done with them. They become problematic to problematic speaking. How about Star Trek deep space? Nine. That could be that could be eligible. I liked that on androids birthday episode. We talk about Florence maturing to move beyond reality, television. Television. Threats, but it could be the beginning of the end. Thank you, Ron. Thank you. Thanks to you for. Well, I think for upsetting Ron, I think is what you did, but I thought it was pretty interesting teething with all the camera angles we had today. That I introduced at thank you Alex for hitting the remote a couple of times and thanks to Burke for also hitting the remote. A couple of times. I think we've thanked everybody. I'm Jason now. How will you can find me here on twit? I'm I'm just here. Oh, I do start know-how, though. This Thursday, by the way. Congratulations. You've reached the end of internet things. Know how to take a break down. Yes, good. You deserve it. I'm taking over know-how for the next twelve weeks and I'm going to be doing a gaming focused season of know-how along with Sam Scoville from ars Technica. He was actually out here for a couple of days, and we were recording a bunch episodes for the series. We had a blast. It was so much fun. So I'm really excited for you guys to check that out. 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"Coming up on all of that, Android. We're going to Scott how Google likes to kill its darlings also flows busted pixel what to expect to Google show. The amazing cameras on the wall way p thirty pro and so much more all about Android is next. Cass you love from people you trust. This is tweet. This up soda of all about Android is brought to you by cachefly. Give your users the seamless online experience. They want power your site or app with cachefly CDN content delivery network and be thirty percent faster than the competition. Learn more at twit dot cachefly dot com. And by legalzoom check out legalzoom today to see how they can make life better for you and your business. Visit legalzoom dot com and enter a at checkout for special savings. Hello and welcome to all about Android episode four hundred and fourteen recorded on Tuesday, April. Second twenty nineteen source. Latest news hardware and apps for the faithful. I'm Jason Howell, and Ron Richards, and I'm Florence ion. Yeah, you are and you're back this. We have you back for having me back, of course, all wheel here. Always we are also welcoming back Matteo Doni the return of the guy who sacrifices sleep for this show. Welcome. Down that by the way. Thank you very much for having me. I'm it's always a pleasure to be on. If I'm not watching live. I do my best to stay up and actually speak to you. Well, we appreciate it. Although I'm realizing you've infiltrated the show and more than just one way this week. Apparently, you are so important that we have changed the all about Android logo to feature a goat. I was wondering about that. I didn't want to call tension to it. Oh, just from a tale. Oh, so you switch to the wide. And it's not there. Oh, it's only. Look at that. How much this is another another feather in my hat. I didn't wanna make Ron mad. Too. Many too many goes. It's not going to fit in the door. Right. Well, hopefully that Sudan. Well, we'll see I don't know how we won up this at this point. You've got a bumper. You've got his third. The gauntlet down, man. Just just let me I have to think. Victor who is also my Pook them on Google. Best frightened now. Trading. Victor, obviously has your back. Yeah. Because he's the one that made a lower third. So he's like oh. So what kind of trade am I gonna get next time? I am. I am curious now with the goat infiltration the great goat. The go full trae Shen Mattel, you got to be the most frequent guest on the show, right? Yeah. No, probably probably up tally that up someone in the chat room is the tally of having sure that he is just based on anecdotal in my mind evidence. Usually that is the sort of thing that when we say it randomly without any expectations. Patrick Daly had any other room. Suddenly comes back with statistics not applying pressure. Patrick. Might be the one to be able to. I just did a quick find on our dock and how deep it goes. But there are twenty seven instances of the word Matteo on it. Oh. Maeve another guest that could even match that number. I don't even know Matteo marathon, and it would cover a whole weekend of content. So we started the Ron saying, you know, we didn't want to like make make Matteo 's head Kenny larger than it is here. We that's the irony job. Ron this is why. Tonight to be on the show, exactly. The tale was inside of us all along we're better than caffeine. Matteo? We wake you up. Don't you? Definitely do. It's not the crystal breath breathing crystal smartphone, I have here. Boy, we are going to talk about that. I was like what kind of crystal. Are you having for breakfast? Yeah. Yeah. You might you might ask yourself that question by the end of episode what we are going to get there. Quite yet. We are I gonna take dive we're going to jump off the edge right into the pool of news. I totally wasn't on the stock media site looking for pictures of goat's. So here's Android news Victor frantically clearing his browser cash. Let's see what was it private shopping mode. I wasn't looking at goats pictures of goat's pictures of goats for the show wasn't me. We go. So we like to do a little show and tell here on all. Tastes in the ways. Looking at me is pretty intense. I'm very curious to hear the story because I know very little so last week. I went to a women's conference called alz summit in Palm Springs. I had a wonderful week. It was full of raw raw go girl girl power. Unfortunately on my last day in Palm Springs when I was out playing tourist enjoying, you know, my day off after many days of conferencing, I dropped my pixel three. Oh, let me tell you. I dropped it by the way right in front of Malin. Monroe's house Marilyn Monroe, though. Okay. She's if I recall correctly, she passed in that house. So I'm sure that the Marilyn Monroe's ghost came in haunted man, my pixel three, and that's why it fell out of my hand and onto the floor and shattered thusly. My phone is disgusting, but I'm not going to clean it because there's all these shards of glass in it. So I mean if you can see this. It's it's pulverized there in the corner is it fell on the quarter and then face down like that. And there's this giant lake the entire screen is just cracked from here. All the way to the edge. There are a little holes missing out of it all not all the glass state in their glossy. Didn't the phone still works, by the way, that was hurting question the ten million dollar questions? Does it still work? It is funny works the touchscreen. Actual. Really, I tested it carefully here in the corner. I don't wanna turn on because I don't want to deal with notifications and stuff, but tested it the touchscreen still works and everything. But you know, I have to send this off like I can't use it like this. So it is sad. This is the first time this has ever happened to me, I first screen destruction. Yeah. The first green destruction. Never forget your first drops phone it. So now, here's the jas. Jason, you know that very close. Here's the question though. What does your recourse is it under like, we just get it replace then everything will be fine or USO oil? So I very bad at taking the advice that I give people. You know, I'm like I'm afraid to say this out loud. Because a lot of people. I've been getting a lot of messages like this way. We're a case. This is why you do a thing. And it's like, yes, I know it just so happens this fell in the Riverdale case that I bought off valley express. So that was a bummer. So clearly doesn't protect anything in my life. So that case is more like a cosmetically. Tax your with my friend that day the entire week. I was wearing this nice thick case. And like everything was fine. And on the last day when I wanted to get fancy and do Instagram photos with my really good friend like, and that's the thing is just that really is a bummer. I brought outfits for every day of the week for the phone by the way because that listen, let's think about really get into it. It's super fun. I love having fun with this stuff. Unfortunately, it didn't fare so well in the end so right now, I've paid Google. None of the in-person repair services that do the pixel repair program are available near me the nearest one is forty miles away down in Fremont. Which is like quite a commute for me. And I'm not doing that. So I'm doing it in person, I've already paid Google my box should be in the mail tomorrow. And then I'm going to send it in for probably about two weeks. What does it what does it cost? To get a screen replaced by hundred dollars. Holy cow. Wow. That's expensive three hundred dollars. Well, when the phones thousand dollars, and I already paid full price for the phone because I bought it, you know, but I give up on it at that point. Could pay the three hundred dollars get the screen replace put a case on it. That's tech that next time. I'm just going to stick with the heavy duty case, and I guess put a screen protector on there. But you know, I live this life. So I can tell her other people about it. You know, what I do for a living is I mess up. So you don't have to. And so this is what happens and do the pixel warranty program. No, it's extra money. And it seems like gosh, it's like a hundred extra dollars, but it's way cheaper than the three hundred you'll pay for the broken screen. That happens you pay that. And then you never drop it then it's wasted money. Right. That's that's always the question Mark with insurance programs. You know, it's like, yeah. We're really you. Don't know what's going to happen. You could pay it not need it or need it not pay it. And you just never know. Well, and here's the other problem, and I'm bringing this against all about Android, and this is very much related is, you know, we don't have apple stores where we can take our devices we have to find reputable places that can repair. This. And so for all the people screaming at me to get this repaired nearby. I don't know does pixel stuff near me there's a lot of iphone replacements that have happened over the last seven eight years. However, many years we've had the iphone, and I just I don't know if it's the same with like I'm dubious, I haven't maybe I haven't done my research, but don't have time right now. We'll sorry Rondo I will say with my limited experience with the apple store the genius bar. It's that's not a great experience auditor. Yeah. So just because apple stores doesn't mean that they're fixing things and making everybody's life that much easier. But but my limited experience was it was annoying of noxious. But maybe I was biased. That's fair. I just think now in terms of knowing exactly where to go. You know, there's a there's a storefront in my neighborhood that opened across the street from my apartment building called you break it, I fix it. Yeah. That's just one that Google contracts with and those are the ones that the nearest location to me is forty miles. It's the ways to go in the area. Go home. Go home. Live in the rural part of the bay area. That's the problem. Yeah. Yeah. Google only just started repairing these things the specifically these things pick threes in March. So, you know, maybe maybe it's just limited. But even even if you took it to you break, it fix it. It would probably be three on like it was still cost money. It's still to eighty it's like two hundred eighty dollars or something like that. So how many phones have you broken Matteo? I'm surprisingly through few considering my throughput of smartphones. Yes. Tons of smartphones. I'm lucky I think the only one I've completely smashed was my Samsung galaxy S five that was the band-aid one. And luckily I had insurance. I always have that you it was replaced by my insurance company, very very rapidly. You buy insurance specifically when you buy the phone, or is this like general insurance that covers you on all sorts of things including your phone. I know this is a part of my Bank account service in includes a food inch smartphone insurance as well as travel insurance and other benefit benefits. So I use that it's quite common in the UK to have that either as an add-on for your current account or as a as a part of the service. But there are plenty of options in the UK for puchasing insurance separately. Yeah. I'll visit the value in the quantity of the access. Is it depends on the service provider. Right, right. But I'd say I'm I've been quite lucky ends. Also, I always love us lovely KC cases, or as I've been doing more recently phantom cases or fake denim thin. That's Matteo the tear. You haven't visited me in a while. Nobody's brought me any Maka dial cases. So now, this is your fault. Yeah. Fluid for inviting me to your birthday party. I will bring your phone case offend him phone case. Yes. Fem sounds like a drug it does. Speaking of there's no segue from that. So we are speaking about phones. Breaking now, I'm not I'm not buying any new phones. I obviously I'm going to get this one fixed. I'll let you know all about it when that happens in the interim, no I'm not buying an old because all because cools not selling many more. Neither am I buying the purported mid range pixel three a and three a X L three. Yeah. I know. I I'm sorry. I missed that opportunity. No, it's okay. I just really wanted to like put my devil. We went. We went and deepened. Yeah. So. Cell theory is no more pixel twos into XL's because the three three eight three ASL low. It's not organic to me to think in that, man. Those are coming are coming. Yeah. I. Who do you think has one probably Hiroshi lock Heimer? Our dear friend of the show who recently tweeted a reference to an unreleased phone so Hiroshi lock Heimer was hanging out with Bill at the Bill Hewitt, and Dave Packard office. That's of Hewlett Packard from the sixties and says, it was super cool, but I took pictures released phones. So I probably shouldn't share them here. Hey. He's been on the show. As welcome back row. She it's good to hear from you can just showing off going out and cool release phone. Can we talk about Bill? Ryan packard. Dave Packers office for a moment. Sure. What do you? Want says printer printers everywhere really just laser joke. Meanwhile, I'm like when did you go? I would totally. I had no idea you went. You should have brought a phone that wasn't unreleased. When you went gladly put a Hewlett packards office. You know? Bay area Silicon Valley legends monument for printers. Shoutout to deter Boone of the jets probably had the best Twitter reply to that tweet I've ever seen. What is saying? All I see I'll come on photo. Maybe photo number three. No, wait. The alternate version of photo three Collett. Three eight. Little bit sees down there. You almost miss it. If you don't look hard enough for it, possibly a great greats. Shoutout to the rumor of the name of the device, the three eight and three exile three XL, which will be the apparently the affordable pixels. Yep. To be really soon. A stand for a Ford -able, maybe. Could who the heck knows? Who knows? I can't wait to hear. Apple pie. Apple. Maybe we'll maybe we'll know what the stands for at Google. Well, maybe also known as flow and Mayes birthday party. Yes. In Mountain View. Oh, we are less than two months away from Google. I o twenty nineteen. Less than a month a week. Time means that the time has no meaning to me anymore. But yeah, so we are less than a month away. That means that Google has a released the schedule so anybo- acquiring minds. I wanna know what's going on. And I can check that out. And you can find out that the big keynote will happen on Tuesday may seventh at ten AM followed by developer keynote, and then there's the usual session topics like material design assistant gaming chrome etcetera. It's got how developers can tap into Android. Q system-wide dark mode, which you know, everyone dark mode is all the rage a deep dive into the newly announced Google stadia gaming platform. Lots of stuff that AR integration and Google maps Lennox and chrome o s a new platform called goo Google coral for on device AI and machine learning celebration. And then interestingly enough, there's an Android fireside chat at the very end of Thursday at three thirty pm. Yes. Just don't think when you see the keynote that you can't steal the state of the very end. You know, stay the end. They put a really good thing at the very very end. Of course. Yes. Now, you might remember it was at last week or the week before I predicted that we would find out more about Google podcasts. And what they're doing with audio and looked at the schedule. And at least in terms of what's been announced. Nothing the word podcast never shows up in schedule there. There are couple of sessions about audio. Specifically the audio assistant stuff that they announced couple of weeks ago. Like, the the hearing the excessively stuff as well as some audio processing kind of core programming stuff. But nothing about about podcasts. But as we know this is just a little bit of the schedule. They'll reveal more after the keynote. Yeah. So I can still be right. Who knows? Yeah. I think you probably are rate. You know, they always open up a certain number of sessions after the keynote that have something to do with surprises because we do not know everything. There will probably be a lot that we don't know during that Kenyans so Matteo are you going to flow birthday party? I'm it's still to be the fine. But I just happen to be in the bay area that week. We're so weird. It's it's it's an amazing coincidence. On vacation. I was I was thinking maybe you were like part of the keynote, and you just can't tell anyone. I would love to be a shoutout to Google. If you're looking for someone to come on stage and talk about goats in mauka, dial please let me know. Project in an Android cue. We believe really project goat. It's the greatest of all time. Matteo if you do make it to the birthday party. You could probably see a interesting demo that's going to happen. The folks that nine to five Google saw some code that points to an announcement around assistant functionality that reaches into chrome for Android directly. So think about that for a second assistant in chrome directly. So for example, you have a trip that the assistant knows about you, go to national rental car. It sends a command to assistant to pull in your trip information automatically to make booking easier and chrome so even deeper integration of assistant into chrome, which looks to be like a big thing. Of course. This is going to be assistant assistant assistant again once again. Yeah. Yeah. I'm that's great for consumers who may be on as used to assistance. If they stood suddenly start having more functionality through the web, not native apps. I'm sure this will we'll give it the great appointments. Yeah. That's yeah. At least at least until they shut assistant down in two years. Oh, great segue. Ron thank you. You basically serve that one right up for me today is the day. The day that Google killed two products. Google plus may it rest in peace. We definitely need some music on this because Google plus has been there through the thick and thin and we've run Kohl's with Google. Plus, we've met wonderful people through our community on Google, plus. So sad. Victor, go to plus dot Google dot com. Going to plus Google dot com. I think tells you why are you here is this? Yeah. Google plus is no longer available for consuming personal and branding from all of us on the Google plus team. Thank you for making Google, plus such a special place, but get out of here. What was the name of the exact that that was all about Google? Plus, what was his name? Could acid. Yeah. We're do. You think he's upset? Well, he li- he left you. I mean. That was like that was Mark. Yes, he left that kind of was the writing on the wall because nobody was hired after him to take over as far as do. You think he goes drinking with his friends, and he's just like man, we could have done it. We could all snuff at Facebook done it with Google. Plus man, the just didn't understand it could have been a contender Google, plus ten didn't get it. Guys sundar. He just came out of nowhere. Around or shots of a. Google. It's so sad suicides. I I remember watching the launch of Google plus on Twitter on this weekend. Google it was when they shut it down. It was a sad time for me. And it still is now I met a lot of great people Google, plus the community was excellent people make careers on Google, plus like on like on on existing on that platform, they became so visible in so notable in you know, in Android, and all that kind of tiger fee. The photography is a huge area. Yeah. So. Yeah, goo plus Dunn's. Oh, also and this one hurts me right now. Plus, I I'd I'd let go of a long time ago. Inbox really hard. It is trial Kreis. Stay tuned for the arena. And I have a solution for you Jason. Okay. I'll stay tuned for the arena, but still a more. The death of is that fair. In boxes. Just it's it's really good g mail will never be that way unless it will immediately. But it isn't yet. Here's two things about g mail, and like, I said, stay tuned for the arena. But number one, ironically, today's G males fifteenth birthday. Yeah. Yeah. And so they've got the little birthday kind of thing that they kill inbox kinda funny. And number two. I gotta say the g mail app on Android. The latest update is really gosh darn good. It. Yeah. It's better. It's not inbox true. And I and I hate to have to always go back to that. But it's just like replacing something that was really great with something. That's just kind of it's slows me down. I'm just I I don't like I got an earful from a co worker who lived in died by inbox. And he was like Ron why are they getting rid of it? Did I can't pin things in g mail and ranted fifteen minutes, and I was like, oh, jeez. Just an app. Yeah. But but it is just an app, but at the same time like you build your entire workflow like emails around the most critical things that we do love it or hate it it it just is. And when you build your workflow around that. And then that rug gets pulled out from under you, you're forced to take a look and everything else. It's just not as good. I mean, it changes everything. So stay tuned for the arena because Ron might have a solution for you, this changes everything case literally for the worse. Yes. But I I will say Rodham audio posted a really great article on ours Technica, and we talked about this on the show in the past. But just this idea that trust around Google products is, you know, with when this happens it erodes further and further, and we saw evidence of that with the stadium announcement where stadia is a really cool. Interesting different powerful. You know, potentially very influential announcement that Google had around gaming, but yet it was definitely temp. With a lot of people that have just kind of hit their point with Google products to wear when something great is announced by Google their immediate thought is. Yeah. But for how long wind is Google stopped caring about this. Why should I buy into it? Because you just never know if you're on borrowed time. And we we said the same thing when we talked about stadia, we're just like this great if they stick with it. Yep. So. Matteo matteo. What do you make of it? Do you think can be trusted? I'm I think they do and the decisions they make obviously data driven. But also, they know that it's the right thing to do to move the resources from those products to two other ones. I'm I'm not to best buy this. But probably because I'm not being scouted by the shutdown of all of Google inbox for some reason, it never really caught on with me. And I've always felt more comfortable in g mail and the more more recent iterative updates to the g mail app have made me happy. But I haven't really. Being a believer in inbox. It hasn't made my life that much better for me to feel scarred. The or unhappy today. Yeah. I understand can I make an observation. I feel like we're being very cynical about all this instead of looking at the way, the big picture, which is how Google has grown to become more of like a mainstream company, and I feel like a lot of these shutdown of things and reorganization of things is all in an effort to just make things more concise have particular. Particular pockets for every certain thing without it being too vast. And I think for I feel like the most complaints I hear are from us enthusiasts in super tech fans and not so much if you were to ask a run of the mill Google user like they would have no idea that I don't think they would have any idea that Google plus shut down. They would just be like oh. Gone. I wasn't even using that. Anyway, or even in box. I don't think a lot of people because the inbox was not installed by default on Android devices. That was an extra thing you had to download. So you kind of had to knew that that existed and for us. I mean, we're diehard Google folks, we've been using the stuff for a long time. So we know about like a wave, and and read and all the things, but the people out there who Google really wants to use their products like the main focus of these products. I don't think they've really notice all this. I think they don't wear cynical about it because we're seeing Google change a lot to be a bigger player. And I think it's just hard on us for that reason. Fair. So fair point. Flow. That's a beautiful way of letting me know that I'm a normal passan. All we are. It's just look I don't expect everybody to know everything about nine hundred. No 'cause nobody's watched as much as I have. So I feel the exact same thing. Same way about Android. Nobody that is as into it as I am. I mean, I'm breathing eating sleeping, Android. So of course, I know about all this stuff going on in the world, but most people with the galaxy probably have no idea any of this is happening. And they're just like they don't know what they're missing within box. But I do agree that there are things in boxes had the definitely needs to be brought over to Jameel one hundred percent or three. It'll probably happen. Have been nice to have it at the get go like it's not it's not fair to be teased like that to have it taken away Google's done that before they released something. And then they do like a new version of it where this these features are taken away and then somewhere down the line there added back in as if they're new brand new features. And that that's just kind of knowing if you noticed those features when you think about Google away, for instance, like that whole back end is integrated into Google docs, like the article on the Atlantic a couple of weeks ago about how the kids are using Google docs. Now, that's just the way Google away was supposed to be used. But instead of it being a separate thing. It's just a part of Google docs. So I think on Google has a bigger plan for us. I think we just like don't know what it is right now just have faith and trust the process. Rose google. Do you trust Google to come up with a name for Andrew? So we actually got some lovely emails. Just kind of opening our eyes to some other desserts around the world, this has been really fun because we've been been we've been introduced to all these new desserts. Maybe we didn't know about because of our very like narrow minded like America, brain, just Peric. Peric just fair. And so we always appreciate when folks come out of the world works and go. Hey, this is actually a thing. So our first letter comes from Kori K who says who writes the answer to Andrew cues name is quite easy. It'll be an I looked this up today. I'm going to let me read you the whole note. And then I'll read play the translation. So the answer to Andrew accused name is quite easy. It'll be Kirkwall chin quirk balls. This is our traditional German snack, very similar to donuts made from yogurt like fresh cheese, essentially, they are the German version of Donut holes and are quite delicious. Good, by the way. Did you ever think that Google has no idea what to call these versions, and they use the community to come up with name ideas? Well, Corey if they are you gave him an idea. Although I wonder how many of us will be able to say this. Let's see I'm going to hold this up to the let's see if this works. Bacon. Baked bacon is how you said in German introducing Android. Concord. Everyone out there. It is. You're waving your hand if you know how to say this properly. Yes, please. I'm going to them a conspiracy theory rabbit hole here say that if they choose this name, this is the best way to make friends in the EU, and maybe get discount on those massive. Oh, that's right. In brussels. This would be very very cool to do in Brussels who who better to make friends with than the Germans to to get a discount on your finds in the EU. Have you had quark balls before not that I'm aware? I have they're really good. They're really me. Cock baller Jackson got combined. And I'm sorry joins out there. We also have another Email from Jim. And this is about a cute as ERT from another part of the world. This one's from Puerto Rico. But I also found that it's there's a recipe in Columbia as well. So you continue to debate name for Andrew Q. But I never heard why you originally discounted kissy tho a cheese filled pastry from Puerto Rico, Ron was originally bullish on the idea saying that it checked a lot of boxes, and I agree cheese sugar pastry syrup and drawing attention to Puerto Rico, which is still trying to recover from hurricane Maria sound like sufficient. Reasons to make cacique though the front runner for this next version of Android. I'm sure you would enjoy taste testing. These once a week until Android are found that some of these come with jam in them or I guess like a fruit filling. So. Oh, yeah. I I went and I found those images earlier. Nice. See look up. Nice. Yes. Love it. Both both desserts. Look, really good. Yeah. Yeah. So who knows I mean, I can't wait to see what they come up with. I think they have no clue what they're gonna watch. It's quick. And then we'll be like, really? And they'll be that rabbit will just come out at like Google. They'll just have the rest of person, you know, a person in a rabbit suit somebody on on on read it I saw posted a theory that because q is so difficult if you look at the Android Q logo, it the Q actually looks like the numbers one zero for ten so that maybe it'll just end up being Android ten. And that fellas go this route. It's I don't know why they do that because it's Android nine. But anyways that was their theory. Is it isn't it? Andrea andrea. No, you're right. You're right. You're right. If it's under ten I look forward to the brands tie up with my favorite gin brands tankry because they have a very good Jin. Cole tancredi. Jin Android after dark. All right. We gotta move this show long. We got we got we got a lot of stuff to talk about. So let's think the sponsor, and then we will get into the hardware shack. This episode of all that enter it is brought to you by cachefly. So you can give your users the seamless online experience that they want. I can power your site or your app with cachefly, which is just an awesome CDN content. Delivery network that's going to enable you to be thirty percent faster than your competition. No matter what industry you're businesses in. 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So the internet has been a buzz suddenly exploded everybody had their articles about how gall Dern and mazing the wall way p thirty pro is as a well, maybe a phone, but definitely has a Campbell's low light shots alone that people been posting against the pixel yell not just low light. But also zoom. I saw really interesting video that focused in no pun focused pun intended, on zooming capabilities of this thing, and it's like ridiculus if I do. If I do say, so myself. So it tells what do you think you have the way p thirty pros, right? Yes. I have the P thirty pro which is the flagship of the p thirty series this year from from highway, and I'm blown away by the camera. So I'll give credit who's Jew of led several of the vegeta- degrate s-. Great obstacle on the light bits and let him cover that. But I'd say in normal daylight enormously use that I haven't been going out of my way to tested in lieu light. I'm blown away by all three three cameras on the device now three because while we sell this device is called camera device. One of them is a time of flight Saint so so it's not it's not a proper camera in in of itself. But it does help the others through software to better understand what's debt what's in moving autism. So. Obviously victim was showing the the vaginal by Vlad's about the lights comparing it to the pixel three exile. And it really does make a difference in the light while we are seeing that one of the ways they've made the way peace t pro better in low light is that they've made a fundamental change to the way the camera sensor works. So for those of you who don't know digital camera Saint says are by nature monochrome, the black and white and to get color on the the sensor they have a filter before the black and white sensor. So traditionally those are reds green and blue RGB senses, which then with the black and white and shades of shades of gray that the monochrome sensor get put together to figure out all the colors are with the way p thirty proof while we have made this fundamental change where the Saint so is a red. Yellow yellow blue saints a filter, which means that it will give you a power up to forty percents more lights gets captured by the sensor with the same lines as well as that. While we have made Peric scoop camera, that's the one if you look at it closely. It's the the one at the end of the camera module near the lake LeBron's which has a periscope, which means the saints who is quite far off from the lens itself and gets filtered by five lenses. That's an eight megapixel Saint. So that gives you five times optical zoom. Then using the other lanes is in while ways clever software that can give you ten times loss Luis. So I I see the links are ready in the in in the docket. If you go to the first Google photos album, the I prepared for this show. You'll see there's a picture of EDNA. I believe this isn't the why is this this is that dang wide. Yeah. So this is a wide angle shots at it. Just highlights how good the high dynamic ranges in even in that one sensor. That's the sun behind the clouds in Admiral, and it does really good job of not blowing out the sky. It actually detects clouds and gives you good definition on the buildings at does. So moving onto to the next when you see the the one time zoom the dynamic green is even better. There's a lot more detail on things, but you don't have as wide shots. It's the usual trade off. But it's good to have the choice in modern smartphone. And then if you go to the next one this is using five times optical zoom on that eight megapixel saints, no loss of detail. The what is a tiny detail in the white angle. Shot becomes a good shot of the statue. In the distance. And if you again, the should be a ten times optical zoom shots, just the bust of the statue. Again. Very good definition. This is an hybrid shot. It's a hybrid shot. But for most consumers this is as good as optical zoom. Because it's taking the information from more than one sensor putting it together and processing it to give you as good as a normal optical zoom shot at ten times. It's not perfect. But for most uses this is more than enough. This is yet another reason for the average consumer to say, well, I don't mean the camera anymore. My food is good enough and big if you go to the next shop, I've just highlighted the fifty times, this is all digital crop. But it's in the camera interface you consume in all to fifty times and see the fate the face on the statue. And the seagull PU. Poop on the statues. Well to choose needed to see that. Yeah. It's impressive. If you if you go back to the white angle shot and then look at how far in it consume fifty times. This is impressive. I really best buy this. You're really far there. Exactly. So that's the white Anglo lanes. But as still it's it's quite a distance to be able to get that amount of detail with a mix of digital end optical zoom. Now, if Victor if you go to the next at Albany, we can play a game here. I deliberately set this up because I knew I was going to be on all about Android. If you go to the wide angle shots. This is the Champs Elysee in Paris. This is with Neo with the the while way. Peace leaders launch walls, and it's wide angle shot of this amazingly, busy and complicated. Roundabout with very ornate center as you can see nice dynamic cranes. Nice shots few to the next one. You'll see one time optical zoom. So note, no magnification knows zoom. I'm still very good detailed moving Qasr get captured. Well, moving on to the next shots at you may not notice it here. But I've put a little special thing in there. Lots of detail here, you can actually see the marble, the the Dutch on the marble, and that's five times op. Tickles zoom coming out of that periscope camera. And if you go to the next shots, you'll probably see it yet. But this is a detail of people that and in the Las shot at fifty times optical zoom. I. But on a for scale banana for scale, which cheese applause, sir. Plaza went very far for that one. Thank you. So far are fifty times. Yeah. I estimate that the took me a roundabout two kilometers of walking to do because that's an amazing complicated. Roundabout and to get the the the the Arctic Trump from Champs Elysee at the right tangle in the right, son. It took a lot of walking through tunnels and around the square. I I went and took that banana back. Get your banana, it's my banana, and I read that in the following shot, and then ate it. So I have another. What you got to do with the banana? I mean, seriously, but unofficially. So this is a wide angle shot of a lovely park in Paris, not far from the Detroit that we were looking at Erla nice urban setup lots of detail in this wide angle shots, the dynamic rains again is quite good considering the sky was bright, and it was a little bit dark in the punk the zoom at one time salt to is obviously closer to normal shot, but still very good camera shot zooming into five times. You can see a statue lots of detail there from the five times out sickle zoom from something. That was just a minute detail in the white Anglo shop lightens and zooming into ten times to consume you'll see the statues there, and if you're looking very carefully, you can see the banana for scale and. Last one. The fifty times optical zoom. You can see the banana sitting on the statue resting on the statue flooding ready to be eaten. Yes, it's giving clear indication of how how loud the statutes. So these photos, all bananas aside, these photos, look, really good. And like the zoom is like you're not gonna use a fifty x zoom and expect it to look amazing, which it doesn't. But the fact that can jump in that FARC beer. It's just it's striking like the arrive phone outside. Yeah. Absolutely in what we have really thrown it out to the ballpark with this with this camera setup. At the optical stabilization is excellent even five times optical zoom. You don't have much shake fifty times digital zoom. That's what it's really difficult to four. Focus on an object. They didn't comes quite the challenge there. But I'd say overall, I'm blown away by this camera. Not only that overall. It's great smartphone. It feels really nice to hold as well. As looking gorgeous with that s- with that breathing. Crystal color at my colleague, yes, it's breathing. Crystal my colleague Atta chief aperture officer of trauma geeks. He has ordered the aura color, which is a mix between last year's twilights. And as I didn't feel where the. On or cut gloss Bax that are all remember resistant to at the top. There's a YouTube video that we put together just highlighting the the the looks and feels of the of the device is right next to the p thirty pro link. Oh. This is it right? No. It's a pop that too. It's just it shoes. In in this video we show. How reflective it. It is it's it's very difficult to describe in words because there's this gradient between. A partial and whites. And I think my co Fisher Mr. mobile has a great description of this on Twitter, which was it's a mix between lithium crystals and unicorn kisses so. His it's very difficult to describe in wants. But it's breathtaking in. In in passing to see an also looks goods to to to those looking at it. And it's one of the good things while they include a case in the box. So you're less likely to have a disastrous drop. And then it goes, there's also quite the selection of cases both available from highway and a third party retailers on the front while we have done a good job of its rating upon the may twenty screens curved edges at Fronton back. It has a water dropped not to the front. The screen is lovely. It's a full high definition plus one but honestly in day today use I don't notice the difference with the the qh the on the may twenty pro or even the qh pixel three excel for normal use. There's no new real reason to have high-resolution screen unless obviously you would like to use this VR purposes. I'd say the storage options are very goods they start at one hundred twenty gig of eight gigabytes. There's also two hundred fifty six gigabytes and. Five hundred twelve all these expandable with while ways, new standard of memory cards, called Nanno memory card, and that goes in a second sim sought. So the sim card tray takes to nanna Simms or one sim and the nano memory card, which is a great option. They they haven't really killed. Expandable storage as we thought they had with Petain pro last year. So overall my first week with a device, I'm blown away, and I've started migrating all my food number related services onto the p thirty pro as a, hyper as for me. I'm I'm really won over by this device. Five out alone. Those of you in the US will have a bit of a challenge getting hands on. But then then again, that's part of the current situation with hallway in the US, right? That it is. Indeed, the big uphill battle right now for while. I am for anyone interested in in like, you know, politics aside, just wants to get their hands on cutting edge technology, or you know, what what I've read from a lot of people who have used this phone that they say this is the best camera phone out there. So, you know, certain technology enthusiasts are going to want to get their hands on that regardless of of any of the the stuff happening in the us. So might might have to work a little bit harder to make that happen. Sounds like. Another thing that I haven't mentioned the battery life. This is a four thousand two hundred million power battery, but MU I in the two migrations they've made on that and the Android pie. Leave me flabbergasted about how good the battery life is. So I can use this device for normally use in a day and ends my day at about six seven pm at a roundabout about sixty seventy percent battery life out foot, which for me is unseen. Yeah. Wow. That's really impressive. While IP thirty pro. Are you gonna have like a full review on tech Travelgate, or where do you want people go for that? So our current content is on YouTube of the tech trouble. Geeks YouTube channel we have the full on boxing ends our hands on video, and I in precious video that's obviously lots of hard work has gone into that from our chief appetite of officer Liu catch, but it is a wheel. Doing most of the content, but the full written review and the full video review will be out in about a month because we want to really use this as our main device for awhile. Excellent. It wouldn't just be made Lucas will be having fun as well. So cool check out. So we have a couple of other things from you were low on time. So give us kind of like a quick quick. Look at the way peace mart twenty nineteen another phone that we probably won't get here in the US. I don't think there are any plans for that. But was this all about guess? So this is the actual opposites end of the portfolios spectrum for while way. The peace Mont twenty nineteen is an affordable. Android smartphone. It's not made out to gloss. It's made out of plastic on the Bank, but at less than two hundred pounds, sterling or less than less than two hundred fifty US dollars. You get a lot of smartphone. So it's the same chipset the Kirin seven ten the same chips that we saw in the while way mates twenty lights last year that I brought onto the show when I was in studio and the overall experience on the smartphone for most uses will be indistinguishable than that autumn. A true true flagship for the price you gets lots of smartphone. And a lot of retailers in Europe are doing some excellent deals on it with subsidies from knighthood. So you can get hit for as little as a hundred and fifty pounds less than two hundred dollars. If you go on a pays ego or prepaid plan at the time of purchase the fingerprint scanner is very very. Fast. It's very good the cameras bits of a trade off. But for the price range is a very good one. At the battery. Life is another really good thing that while we have have really optimized on this and relatively low end device. It's a very good overall experience. I would say the only time I've had any issues with it is when playing Pook him on go and then switching to another app. For example. Hang outs. Then message someone and then go back to put him on. Kgo MU is a bit aggressive in its memory management. Because the way peace not only has three gigabytes of ram that. That's. Handled by the software gracefully. But for some uses that may be annoying. But I'd say overall great value from an for for a very affordable device, and you get a good battery life, which is one of the highlights of while we are doing and Leslie for the third Matijas hardware shack the Xiaomi eight lights. This is a device. I brought into the studio last year when I was lost in studio. We did a quick overview in review of that. Now when he was in Paris for the way of ants. It was quite sad to see the blues quite side to see the shops all with smashed in windows because of the recent rioting and one of the shops that was damaged quite badly was the Xiaomi one to the point that they've had to close the ground floor of the Xiaomi store in ashrams Zeh and the have. Slightly more limited stock as a result. But if victims the fuss picture, you can see the front end of this flagship store in Saint of Patterson is all boarded up because it was. Sadly hit in these riots. But then one of the things they offer in the store is leasing grieving. And I just happen to have my while way site, my Xiaomi eight two lights with me on the day. I was there and one of the services they offer the store, which I wasn't aware of is laser engraving of your shell meat product. He the back is made of glass is not made of glasses ceramic. So in this case, I took my eight to light which has a metal back and had it laser engraved. And I just find found it amusing. That's the actually went to heads with allowing meets in grave my other Android smartphone is way on the back of my champion to light. Wow. Plus plus trolling Matteo a plus. Yes. Actually, a testament to how show me a two light is that I'm still using it or travel the battery life is really really good. It has a three point five millimeter all do Jack, courage boards. So I am still using this device and using it when traveling, and so I think that it's a bit of tonic tongue in cheek and it highlights it's this is this Android one show. A to light is still valid device for most people. It's very affordable at this point in time. It's less than a hundred and fifty dollars and you get plenty of storage, expandable storage and very good battery life. So so I'm looking at the end graving and the engraving quality looks really good someone in chat said a fool youth. They didn't center it LOL. Is it true? I'm trying to figure out if it's just the way that this is skewed in the in the shop. But it does kind of look like it's off center trail. Hotel. It was saying to with the laser laser pointer that they had on the Ingraham tool. It's probably I've skewed it slight half. I like this angling smartphone. So the the the braving is shown a bit more. But that's the the aluminium. And I'm going to say aluminium with stress on the I there as the element graving makes it look as if it's almost to shop on that. It's totally. But I have the the actual device here that it is the real engraving. It's pretty center to me. I don't know. Maybe my. It's okay adds to its charm. My smartphone. Now right on that's cool. I like it. That's my friends was Matteo 's hardware shack Matteo. Thank you so much for that. And for thanks through having. Absolutely. But you're not going anywhere. Stick around. We've got more hardware to come after this important break from Ron Richards. Yes. Matteo always the the light. 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Legalzoom dot com now and get special savings when you enter a checkout. That's legalzoom dot com and enter AA for special savings legalzoom where life meets legal. Thank you legalzoom. All right. We got more hardware. This is hardware that we don't actually have in our hands. Therefore doesn't qualify as hardware shack. It's just more hardware. More goats. No goats. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, come on. Okay. Stock footage that girl. I'm going to be honest getting awkward. That one nine. A little too affectionate. I fear for the future. Because there there might be more who the heck knows late in the day. You know, I gotta do some. We gotta wake us up. What you do in your spare time is your own business. Are you Matteo share your your goat stock photos on the show, Android? All right. I'll keep it to Android. I'll give you some Andrew. Actually, I don't know if this is Android, but whatever it it qualifies for the most part Google, apparently by accident updated its store page to include an unannounced product, something called the nest hub max, which is essentially for that can tell like a Google home hub with a nest camera built into it and large, right? They had this whole interface where you could take a look at the smart home. And if you hovered over these areas instead of saying, Google home hob, it would say Google nest hub max, which is a product that they have not announced. But apparently, it has a ten inch HD screen stereo speakers built in Ness Cam for motion sound alerts also that brings a camera to the home hub families who do oh video halls. I'm thinking. Let's hope that when they put it back on the store. They have a new name. Yeah. It was the Google Google nest hub max come on. It's like it's like it's like they put all the all these terms and buzzwords into a hat and pull them out. It sounds like a men's dealer in. Is five Jeevan ocean? I don't know. Should there? Be. The five. That's all the five G at the end. Here's a controversial loss it. Here's a controversial statement say should get rid of the nest brand. Virtual that's controve lie. But why because because it's. If you're going to sell the Google, home and Google home, mini, Google, home hub and your cell nest thermostat and nest Cam owned by Google it. Just confusing just called the Google Cam called the Google thermostat. Google home of max, you know, and just do a home as the brand just get rid get rid of nest that there's no brand value anymore twenty nineteen. Yeah. That's a really good pilot. Actually, I would say there's a lot of brandit criti- in nest. And also if a lot of consumers, particularly in the US here that there's a Google in front of it. They make the assumption that it doesn't work the iphone, ipads, I MAC. It's. I think the brand has a place in in the market at this point in time until Google get strong enough and manages to communicate the Google products. Do what life ans tell I don't know. Man nest is funny. I just did I just googled nest brand value, right? Just to see what the results would be Google. And in the little people also ask box. The first question is is nest owned by Amazon. Oh, I see Ron is making a good point Amazon, his just gobbling up companies left, and right, and then just putting under the arm. So why doesn't Google to the same understand you run? Yeah. I understand. I don't know they bought it. They bought a five years ago. I just I just since two thousand fourteen I don't see a ton of innovation value around the nest brand that give it the same gravitas. It had five years ago now. True does seem like it's kind of faded a little bit. Yeah. That's concerned fading for me. Just a segue here. The think Hugh brand really from L G. I just I'm still kind of perplexed on what thank you. I am. But that isn't stopping algae from launching phones. Think you affixed there at the end so L G if you remember back him WC awhile back, which now feels like eons ago preview, the G eight thank you, and now are pricing and availability. So yes, I know we were all like swooped up in the galaxy S ten stuff. But now, I'm so pre orders have been underway as of March twenty ninth. Now, April second we are doing this. So had a couple of days in the US. Early release on April eleventh, which is next Thursday all major carriers will carry it. It will be sold. Eight hundred twenty dollars on locked the inside some quick run off. Sam dragon fifty five processors six gigs of ram onto twenty gigs of storage six point one inch quad HD plus Ola display to ole-ry cameras. Thirty five hundred million battery Mike restes slot and it comes with Android nine pie right out of the box, the special little quirk of this is what is called the z camera. Now, this is a front facing camera used for in the air gestures for device control things like snap a photo or whatever. Thing or things like switch between apps control the volume take a screen shot answer a call. This phone also does vein scanning for indication. So if you like hold your hand over the camera it can detect. And that's how it determines. You are. See I was about to go on a whole rant about miming with your phone to like to use the gestures. But then you then you sit vein scanning, and then I just veered off into gross land. Yeah. Don't go. There. Don't go intervene ass-. I want to log into my phone. Remember remember years ago? The RFID implants were let that was going to be the future. And so if you had the ability to implant a little chip in your hand that will unlock every phone you own and only you for the rest of your life. Would you do it? I don't think so money. I knew it. I know it I might altogether. Party trick. Would you would you go for the invasive RFID installation in your hand? It depends on how how that would affect my my Google ranking or whatever the next social thing is your social value at point scribes by your behavior tax points. I would think. Any Google juice can get. Increase value because you would be like one seventeenth part robot totally easier to track. Now, I would do that. Because. Try the government, which why would I put technology inside of me with on the promise of this will be your identification for the rest of your life like technology just doesn't work like that. It's good to do that for the next five years. Maybe two for two years until Google. Was that what we have to tell people when they freak out about surveillance in the futures? Like, don't worry, whatever they decide to survey with who we have an out of date. In twenty years the nest and implant will still be rolling. Jeff Gaul hand implant you'll be able to turn on the heating or the or the air conditioning with the click of your hands. Yes. Yes. Now finger in RFID or a flick of your SPN. And if you're looking for that s pen USA. To that as a as a segue. But now if you're looking for a new tablet Samson recently quietly released its new smaller tablet, the galaxy tab eight a oh, there's another eight like the three that there's an eight ASL the galley Aleksey Edey is an eight inch tablet. That's got a display resolution in nineteen twenty by twelve hundred LCD display. It gets the affirmation SPN using previous generation as pens that don't require charge. It's it's running on an ex no seven nine four. It's got an eight megapixel rear camera. Five megapixel front camera. Three gig ram, thirty two storage Microsoft slot. USCC forty two hundred million battery LT, and it's going to be available in Cambodia Laos, Malaysia, New Zealand Philippines, Singapore. Thailand, the UK via carphone warehouse and Vietnam. So if you're in any of those places, you can get it no pricing date yet. But it's coming. So everyone Vietnam. Meter new tablet and New Zealand's. I'm the UK Vietnam. So. I'd say this is this is a nice premium competitor to Amazon's fire fire ten tablets. There's there's still a place in the market for these devices, especially for families with children where they want to have goods parental controls. And also people who just like sitting on the sofa watching TV but want to keep an eye on what's happening on the internet. I think this is this is a this is a good product. And it seems to be going by the other tab a-series pricing for devices seems to be in the hundred hundred fifty pound or some two hundred dollar price Wayne's. So I think this is this is this is going to be interesting to see if it gets used much for content consumption in particular, what would you say the longevity of device like this? Is you buy it for like two hundred two years and at that? Point. It's just kind of chugging along. Not getting security updates and a two year device. I'm I don't know. It's it's difficult to tell because I'm spoilt by my Amazon, fire tablet. I have a fire seven which is now coming up to being four years old. And it's still get softer updates from Amazon. It's. Roaches. The whole the whole the the post apocalyptic digital landscape is littered with fire tablets. Yes. In price the really affordable. And I love mine for travel because it fits in jacket pocket. It's not too big. And the battery life is I pick all works on it beautifully. So I and it's good for sitting on the sofa. I. I know so many parents who bought those for their kids. They're just disposable tablets, I, but I sent it back. Barron special. Yeah, I didn't work for me. But I understand why why by parents like it. I think my kids are just they knew what it was like on the other side, they knew normal, Android and so hard and Android. Hey, I felt like it was my duty. It was my duty as one of the hosts of all about Android to make sure my kids know about Android. And now it's time for the arena braced for the drop. And see if there's a goat there. Really just kinda went for it this week. You got. Goats takeover. Start getting big goat on this until I give us money because this is getting ridiculous. Big surprised. Big goat is hasn't caught onto this yet? I wouldn't be surprised if one Mr. Matteo is not on big goats payroll as a. Excuse my parents. But what his big, you know, who big owed is. Many questions. Yeah. We're through the looking last year people. Is it safe to Google? It's big goat is in cahoots with big banana. Yeah. I I see pictures of big, but no pictures of the good with banana for scale. So that may be American joke. The idea. Sorry. It's it's a it's a capitalist. Like, the big data big tech, big dairy dairy. I understand it. Now. Thank you. Warn who? You know? All right. Let's big arena last Jason bigger this last week looking at the poll, and it looks like light beam wins fifty nine point three percent. That was wrong. It was a video chat that also you can cast your screen to the people you're video chatting. That is a good one. Sorry. That's how that's how you win the arena with reactions like that. Ron wins kind of finally moving on from your drought. After that, baby. I'm back back this week only. Help sink was my app second place. Twenty eight point eight percent third place was energy ring the one that goes around the the whole of the while. That's a fun novelty app. Very limited audience. Yeah. Well, so because of that I've broken my bad streak. I'm back baby. Although I am still in last place. I've got twenty three points. Jason's in third twenty nine points and flow and the guests are tied for thirty points. But you know, I'm climbing back from the basement it's good to be back. Thank you, wait county for the for the standings are so flow. You're out that means you go. I all right. Jason, do you mind? If I use your for this demo. Sure. Okay. So have your what's at the ready? Okay. No that I'm going to need you to switch over when I sent him. Oh, it's okay. All right. There's no surprises. This is come into our our our direct chat in what's happ? Is that what I'm looking? Individually, but yes, it will come out about Iran with this. So I have brought to the arena today. Firefox send now this is technically an unreleased app. But it's like in development. It's in the store you can use it. And what it's used for is in credit is incredible utilities. So I would say go and check it out. Download it. If you need this utility, I'm often sending folks links and things from my dropbox Google Drive. And I find that stuff just kind of gets lost in the third after awhile. And then I'm just have this like thing that sitting in my cloud accounts, and I don't want that anymore. I would like something that would expire so fire FOX said, let's do that. Basically, let's share files with Christian, and it sends off a link to the other person that automatically expires you set the time, and you can also set whether to password protect it if you want if you're sending some supersecret Infos. Okay. So let us show. Oh, you now what you can do the cool thing about this is that you can share up to two gigabytes of stuff excuse me. One gigabyte no two point five gigabytes with a free fire FOX account or one gigabyte. Okay. Now that you've got that. I'm gonna show you how this works. So I we're going to turn on the brightness. Because I think I is a burning add this is a Samsung phone so that phones much brighter I've been bringing here. All right. So I'm gonna send a file so I'm gonna not send that I'm going to send this thing. That says happy eastern Romanian I'm going to send that to Jason. I'm gonna wish him happy happy Easter. So we're going to select here you can select multiple files if you like, which is kind of exciting. So I will send another picture of church. Great thing. I collect those share. So you can choose one expires after how many downloads up to one hundred downloads. I'm gonna let Jason download this twice. Just in case the first time, and then I'm going to choose an expiration. So you can do five minutes or up to seven days. I'm gonna give Jason a data. Download this. Okay. He doesn't need more than that. I'm not going to set a password because maybe maybe you wanna share it with somebody and I'm going to upload. So now it's uploading into handy. Zip file, and now I am going to not going to copy the links, click okay, and now going to share the link. So now victor's when you would. Willing to send this to. Oh, there we go. Okay. So I got that down at the bottom. And then I tap it tablet. Oh, I think I've selected by other hand. Okay. So tap it. Tablet. Download. Chrome needs storage access. Okay. Go ahead. Sure. Did that work? I probably have to do it again. Now, it's all tablet. Or did it already? Download Dallas should be in the midst of the toast message. Hey, is that what you sent me? I actually sat you that earlier actually earlier. I sent you the end of the wrong link. Okay. But expires because I've clicked through on it. It's done. So that was the other link set up earlier today, actually sorry, essentially the wrong one. Okay. Yeah. Well, this is the one that I just got from you. Okay. So it gives me this which says that it's expired, but that's because I just download it. So you sent me the different one. Okay. All right. So it's all good. Good good. That is fire FOX send anything else. That's it. That's it. It's free and it's in development, so enjoy ruddone fire FOX and love it winning that like that is free. I've got a free app for you. And actually, this comes I have to give credit to Mike rife who emailed in to say, hey, saw that you were featuring health thing which is the app that I brought last week. That's how you sink between Samson health to Google fit or Fitbit or all these different different places. We live in. Yeah. Done. Fortunately, he says I have a Fitbit one, and I'm using an app called fit to fit by Tom. Tights. I'm not sure spells process last name to copy my Fitbit, data to Google fit fit to fit has an auto sync feature and a whole bunch of other things. So so thank you Mike for pointing this app out to me, I'll show it off. I do not have a Fitbit. But I'll show off the app nonetheless. This is this is fit to fit, and it can handle all sorts of things when you set it up, you know, can handle steps activities distances heart rate, sleep weight body, fat food water, and it's all about sinking from your fit bit app over to Google fed or your Fitbit stats over to Google fit. So you set it up you can go in the settings and up auto sync. If you like, and and there are settings around determining how often that happens. Some that happens every day or do you want to happen? You know every half hour. However, aggressive, you want that to be when it happens all that kind of stuff or you can just. Have it as a manual thing to go in here, and you could transfer data manually just transfer, and you tell it, and it goes, and they even have in the settings away the setup daily notification, it's like a reminder notifications of you if you're dead set on doing manuals thinking, which I don't know I'm having a hard time knowing why someone would wanna do that. Maybe they wanna say battery life. Maybe that's a good way to save on your battery. Well, then you'll get a reminder and a reminder pop up say, hey sink, and then you can hop right in there and set to sink it. But. Yeah. I mean, there's really not a whole lot to it. Other than the fact that is totally free. There's no ads. There's no pay or anything. I think can donate through his website, and you should support your debit devs. But yeah, this is all about taking your Fitbit data sinking it over to Google fit. And it's one of those apps that does one thing. And according to Mike does one thing very well. This is an app that he uses all the time. And he says that he loves it. So it's called fit to fit if you have a fit bit and you want to sink your fit bit to Google fit. Oh, boy, this is how you do it fit to fit. Nice. Got there. All right, but Tayo you're up next and I have your app installed. So helping. Thank you my app for this week is as usual gut's related one big surprise and. Curry van rubbing off on Jason apparently. Well, I'm sure Jason's maybe frustrated having all these goat related apps on his phones. I've got a whole folder full of goat goat games. Now. I got a magic what this does to your recommendations. So this is curry goats revenge Christmas edition. Why not it's a pro Christmas is just around the cone of. So let's look at the Christmas edition of this game. At curry goat revenge is essentially an unlimited running game. So you're a goat's you're trying to get revenge for your friends who turned into to carry goats, which is a originally Indian as in Asian in acquisition delicacy, which seems to be also very popular in Caribbean. So this is a a friendly related runner where you're you have to hits locals in the Caribbean with headbutts, you need to void boxes of curry goat falling out to the lorry at the same time and progress through the level as it becomes gradu-. More challenging. Time at so your vengeance. Your friends who were goats and have been turned into curry. And there's a truck in front of you throwing boxes of your dead friends as food that can hurt you. Yes. Wow. What's? Plus you avoiding those books is you need to also hits as some people and get extra points as well. As says, he go, and these are Caribbean people. Yes, why why so many classes? Because curry goat is a Caribbean. Delicacy they have their own bashing of curry goats in the Caribbean. And this is also shout out to our friends Marlin from from the all about ambulance community who guy from. Exactly. So and this is a local delicacy, and there's lots of quite quite suites at goats jokes throughout including fake gut's product advertising as well as some real ads depending on how long you play for at it is a very enjoyable game. It's not to involving you don't have to spend too much time doing it. But there's some interesting game if -cation and challenges to to reach Sefton levels of run there's also an ad free option that's ninety nine cents in the US. It's ninety-nine Pence in the UK, and it's not too demanding a game. You don't need to super high end smartphone to play this game. It works quite well on the Kirin seven ten ships at in the way peace twenty nineteen for example. And it's just a fun game. So I would say thank you. Thank you for letting me demo yet another goot related game. And as usual this is a game. Brought to you by team g g g that's team Gina guests and goats. Yeah. In the lead at the moment or tied in the lead anyways with with flow. So, you know. Even even go curry. Oh, my Lord. All right. Avenge coats curry goat revenge Christmas. Christmas. Christmas and April there this. All right. So we can cleanse our palate and go back to earlier in the show. And we're talking about the death of inbox. And Jason is the questions for you. Okay. What was it about inbox that you liked? There's an organizational aspect of inbox. That really liked bundles primarily it was very smart detecting like like if something comes in. And I wanted to go over there. I just move Email over there and then from that day forward, it's automatically like the filters set up. So that all those outs go into that bundle. And then I can dismiss that whole bundle in one button instead of having to go through manually number of reasons. But those are some of the reasons. All right. Well, what if I told you today, a new Email app came out for Android that could replace inbox for you? Almost seamlessly. What what? All right. So you're gonna wanna you're gonna want to check out spark Email at by Riedel, a spark for Android, and it's funny because spark is actually early in the show someone in the chat room was was chastising me for making fun of the death of inboxes to see how you feel when apple of dies. Let's not forget several years ago when inbox gobbled up by dropbox, and I cry shed at here, and I've been looking for a desktop Email app for years ever since and remorse. More recently, I settled on spark, but the only thing missing was an Android app. And now literally today sparklys their Android app. Which is amazing. So what what sparked does it say, it's an Email app. Much similar every other maps that are out there. You can log on with Google account or other accounts and things like that. And it allows you multiple council and one thing it has a smart inboxes. What Jason looking at here, which allows you to allows you to categorize and collect emails in groups whether they're in bundles Jason. Whether it's personal or notifications or newsletters or promotional type things very similar to Google smart. You know, they're they're kind of the g mail classifications. If you don't like the smart inbox option, you can hit the hamburger button and just go to your regular box. Right. You see up in the upper right hand corner. There's a pin icon guess what you can penny males. How about that? Jason all your pins. But it has pinning ability. It also has snooze and pretty much every modern thing feature that you would think so. Yes, if you swipe right you can pin it and try swiping left and there you can Mark it as unread, right? If you tap on an Email or just full swiping you archive at there. Right. So from here, you can you can reply. They're smart replies. You can auto reply can archive it you can hit the clock button in the upper corner and snooze it. Right. So you can get back to it when you need to you can tell it when you wanna snooze you can have it send you a notification spark really is the Email at that. I think people who are looking looking for a inbox replacement is what this is the solution that they're looking for. So you mentioned that snooze. It's got send later you can schedule emails to send the later time period. You can have reminders and follow ups. You can cuss them on heart's content. Got great search, you can customize your your signature so incentive Nina, you can choose from different signatures. And then one of the things they've been pushing the fact that they have Email for teams. So if you've got a bunch of people that you work with you can build together a team, and you can respond to emails together or have it be shared Email and create links to that Email, and she can share that Email on slack or a slim Salesforce or anything else are using on your team. It's really really powerful and really really flexible so far. I can't I don't wanna go into every nitty gritty detail of it. But it's got so much personalization. You can specify what the swipe SU there. If you hit that personalization in the settings. Jason you can specify what you see in the sidebar. What other can you customize your hamburger menu? That's amazing. You can specify what the swiping does. So let's say instead of archiving. I want swipes to do snoozing. Right. So I can do left long, and I can change this news, and I wanna make swipe right to pin. Right. So you can write long. Instead it there. It is. Right short is pending. So you can customize all that great stuff. So spark Email for Android. It's free the Google play store. What I love about. It is the fact that I've been using the desktop app for so long. And in fact, everyone remembers my Email woes with my pop three server, right? We we laughed about that. I've moved completely off pop three. And now, I have I will count it for you here. Now one two three. Four five six seven eight nine. I'm accounts that were that were all set up on spark for desktop and when I logged into the app for the first time it sinked with the desktop and all those accounts were preloaded. Remember, the ones that had pinned. I can start an Email on the desktop and move to the app, it's completely seamless. So if you're looking for a desktop phone app combination. You don't like g mail, honestly, spark is super powerful super mazing. This is an Android app. People waiting for it's finally out. So you know, today's a perfect day that killed him box. Switch over to spark you you'll thank me for it. So check it out spark Email for Android free. I will check it out. Ron is working out right on awesome. And by the way, they planned their Android launch perfectly. Don't you think? Pretty smart. Pretty smart. Everybody was installing this today. Everybody sad and installing this. So they did a really good job. We are sad. And after we lose someone someone leaves us we go and we try to find. Replace arms of just anybody any worse person through literally anyone anybody wants doesn't set the go Email. Except that cool. So we got four apps for you to vote on this week is it is your favorite Firefox send fit to fit curry goat revenge Christmas edition or spark go to Twitter dot T O slash AAA poll. Four one four twit dot T O slash a poll for one four place your vote, Victor is circling. We all know who victor's voting for today. It's no surprise. Oh, wait a minute. Nope. Spark attorneys a new Email out. Okay. I just thought he was going to go for the like the of go to the very end gave him three bumpers sorry because I spent quite a few hours last night trying to figure out filters and making the same filters. Screaming? A fresh ruined for my save time. Thanks. All right. So spark victor's vote and right now, it's a head at fifty percent of the votes. Twit dot CO slash a poll, four one four and dot is it for this episode of all about Android and Matteo Doni. Are you going back to sleep? I am. Yes. I have a great day plan the heads in the office before heading to BBC in Glasgow tomorrow evening, so yes, I will be going back to bed. Well, we really appreciate you a coming on be bringing your goat crew with you. And and of you know, warping victor's mind in the world ago. NC sacrificing your sleep because it is a big sacrifice. And it's just really great that that you're willing to do that. Thank you, really. Appreciate it. Well, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure. And hopefully next time I will be in the studio. Yes, absolutely tech travel geeks. They should just do a search for tech travel on YouTube is that what you want people to do to find you or sue. We have our sights we're focusing more on the travel side of things on our site. But most of the take is on our YouTube channel at this point in time. So we've been focusing on that because there seems to be there was more of a challenge setting that's up with quite proud of the fact that we set the channel out police ju just over a year ago now and have already reached a certain level where we can consider ourselves monetize. Thanks to everyone in the all about Android community for subscribing and supporting us we cover not only smartphones. But excessively. Gadgets that make the overall travel experience back to and my chief aperture all Pacific. Luke cash manages to shoehorn Awasa drone footage into each review queer with where he can. So keep an eye out for those. There's lots of little Easter eggs and video we we've maybe spend a bit too much time on that compared to the rest of the content. Any bananas plays on his goats. And other things are in the Lucas spends a lot of time on the attention to detail side of things off, but thanks to everyone for supporting us and thanks for having us on on all about Android. Absolutely. Always pleasure Matteo. Thank you so much. Appreciate a Ron. I imagine you two will be going to sleep soon. I will. Yes. Just a short short subway right away. I don't know. I don't know if I'll be going to sleep actually, I'll be trying to get some little ones to sleep and stay up late. But yeah. But in the meantime, you can follow me on Twitter at Ron excel an Instagram at Ronnie, so and I talked about it last week. But if you're independ- baller into hardware. Check out my new project work on called scorebig. At scorebig dot CO recently launched our website, and we're taking reservations on orders of our device. Very exciting. Putting connecting pinball machines to the internet. It's pretty cool working on his work on the app last night. Hopefully should have the app rolling out this quarter. So I'll keep everybody posted on this project. But it's fun amazing about it. Yeah. And then flow. It's great to have you back today. Thanks back. What you got going on? I've got a lot of stuff going on actually. It's just I have to do it. I before. Baiting. Well, a little more than incubated. Like, I have a list of stuff that I am now going to be doing up until August, which is great. But until then you can actually just come to Florence. I dot com. The up dating flow feed within the next couple of weeks with some new tidbits here. And there if you wanna come and join in the discourse to come join us in my discord, I'll post links on Twitter there expiring links because that's what how I feel comfortable. I want this to be a a good and safe community for folks to come in and talk. So every day, we kinda I just hang out in there as I'm working, and we talk about headlines Twitter links all that sorts of things. So come join us, if you're just looking for a safe space to just talk about all the random stuff tech, the tech, and all that awesome. Thank you flow. And thank you Victor next week. There will be no goats on the show. Okay. Good all except to that. Let's see here. What do I wanna promote? I my review the ten galaxy S ten was on hands on tech a few days ago. 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AAA 505: 2020 in the Rear View - Biggest stories, our favorite hardware, disappointing trends, important apps

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AAA 505: 2020 in the Rear View - Biggest stories, our favorite hardware, disappointing trends, important apps

"Coming up on all about android. It's the end of year year in review. That's right twenty. Twenty what a year. It's been and a whole lot happened in the world of android so florence. Ion and ron richards are out. So it's me jason. Howell joined by my friends matteo. donny. And miriam zhawar. We walk you through all of the biggest android news hardware disappointments and our favorite apps of the year next on all about android long podcasts. You love from people you trust. This is hello and welcome to all about android episode. Five hundred five recorded on tuesday december. Twenty ninth twenty twenty year week the source the latest news hardware and apps for the android faithful. I'm jason howell and today florence. Ion and ron richards are with their family. They're taking the evening off. Because schedules kind of weird the holiday schedule At twit olsen is kind of weird like that. We have this last episode and between christmas and new year's it usually doesn't work out that way this year does which gives us the perfect opportunity to do a look back at the year's biggest and most interesting stories devices Favorite apps that sort of stuff. And i've enlisted to amazing people to help me do it first off welcoming back. Matteo doni from tech travel geeks. Course you can go to youtube dot com slash tech travel geeks. What's up matteo. It's great to be back. All about androids With a bit of a haircut. Compared to last time i was on the show and Yeah i'm really looking forward to wrapping up between twenty and looking forward to what happens in the android world in twenty twenty one holy cow. We've got a lot to talk about to. We're all throwing notes into the dock. So we've got an earful for you today. Also joining us. The return of museums tank girl mobile tech podcast dot com. I'll just say all the things you're doing mary. How're you doing. Hey good to see you again. Good to see a material and Thanks for having me on. I think he's going to be a really good year. We've got a lot to talk about. Yeah and i actually also notice. You did a Episode like i think the last day or two kind of a look back on on the year as well right mariam homework already. Yeah honestly. I copied that over. I think that i want stick with my recommendations. And we're gonna get to that. I think Yeah i just did my recap show. Was this past week. So check that out on multi. Podcast com awesome right so today's formats can be a little bit different. I mean obviously if we're looking back at the year we're not going to be doing like current news. We don't have an email segment. So i'm sorry for your for the folks who did right into us we will get back to your e mails next week. But we've just got a bunch of stuff to dive into. So why don't we start like we always do with the news. They'll be no cancellations on android news. What's left of too late too late. There were already so many cancellations this year. It's not even funny So this first block is really just kind of taking a look at the news kind of threads the threads that that we saw throughout the year related to android of course and And we just you know. We put our heads together. We filled up a list of a bunch of things. So let's jump right in and right at the top of my list. I think burke you're probably referring to the fact that obviously you know the thing that everybody talks about in these wrap up shows for this particular year is the effect of covid nineteen. And i'm happy that have both of you on because what a big deal. It was at the beginning of the year. To find out that i mobile world congress was cancelled and then i think it was like a month later. We found out that. Google ohio was canceled and while that seems like an eternity ago and i remember at the time being like oh well you know. Maybe things will return at the end of the year. Having these rose tinted glasses and boy here we are at the end of the year. And things haven't really changed. They've gotten worse but How did How did the the cancellations of these of these events effect you and kind of. What are your thoughts on on these events going forward as a result. I guess miriam start with you. Yeah sure well so for me. I think the thing is. I was kind of like you. You know we're a little optimistic. At first i go. Kay going to be a bit of a mess but you know i was thinking potentially getting to epa in fact. I was invited to eva by the people put. Put it together to f- to fly out there. But germany didn't let anybody into the country so at the last minute fell apart but those only attempt really beyond cs. Anyone i mean. Obviously there was mobile. congress my sponsor. We were all set to fly. And that never happened. Right off but Take away from me from this year. Is that things have shifted a little bit. So obviously you know. It's a bummer. That i've been traveling as much. Because i love traveling at travel. A ton fork. So that's a bummer. I miss it. I miss fly. Miss going to places other countries other cities like i used to like spend about one hundred days a year or traveling generally outside of my own. So that's a lot But what i'm finding is that we got a pretty steady stream of tech news this year. it seems like more kind of like consistently than usual like because it wasn't driven by these events it was just kinda like continuous flow and in fact the fact that i was working from home all the time which i always normally do too but i mean i wasn't traveling means that there was no downtime from flights jetlag or whatever and so. I was busier than ever this week this so year. This year was a crazy busy week for the mobile tech. Podcast for myself as a freelancer writing various publications. There's just really intense. And i'm a little burnt out at the end of twenty two hundred. I feel like it's both the burnt-out from kovic and all the you know struggle and the pain and the hassle and the wind is is going to be over for vibes but at the same time the like i've been working my butt off all year more than i ever remember. You know. yeah definitely. I would completely agree with that. It certainly feels that way It tayo like what. What do you think this means for these kinds of events going forward. I mean obviously had i imagined. They've announced that mobile congress. Like i can't remember off. The top of my head is not happening in its normal traveled to form in two thousand twenty one. Do you think there will be a time to like looking forward. Are you optimistic about a return to this or do you think maybe this is rewriting. How these How these conferences will go going forward much the same way that you know Working from home is kind of rewriting. How businesses are going to operate largely going forward. Yes As i said i believe it was in february. Time is in the bay area at this is the perfect excuse for all the big mobile phone companies and also the smaller ones. The app developers the agencies to skip out on the trade shows the value that they br- brought s- has been diminished business. In general will be travelling less. So i i don't think that big trade shows the way we saw them up to late. Two thousand nineteen will ever happen again. It's difficult to justify that expense as a business if you've been in A situation like through the this couva crisis and reorganize the way you communicate the way you engage with your partners. It's all changed and it's not just the mobile industry. The world of travel as we were saying a lot of businesses have seen. There's no need to travel for business as much as people bef- before this pen bit pandemic i don't think will ever go back to that. Applications for video calling like skype zoom google meets. They've all taken off and a lot of people in business. Don't need to travel anymore. So i don't think the value of these trade shows is a thing that we will see ever again in that format. I expect that there will be some sort of travel to events but it will be much smaller much more targeted audiences right rather than everyone in the industry That's right i feel. I feel like. I feel like this is where we're headed. I think that the big trade shows are over. I mean not over completely but they're certainly not going to be quite popular. And i think a combination of you know even if covid if we get vaccinated and kobe gets improves i think. There's potential strains of covid tacoma long that mutate. I don't think when out of the woods yet and i think that As jason said a lot of companies are understanding that there's just no value in it like it you know samsung and other big companies like apple. I've always had their own scheduling vents. Right sometimes samsung will be back on him. Wc and stuff but usually they do their own thing. And i don't see that. Changing what i do see happening is as we get vaccinated as coup Is less of a threat. Is that to differentiate themselves. Some companies are gonna sponsor influencers. Youtube creators journalists. I don't analysts to come to these one dying you know Events which i think is going to be lovely. We wanna get chester traveling. But i think there is something about being together. The group a lot of my trial was a texture on. This was obviously to get the news and right and cover it but the secondary reason i did it so much is assuming assuming you can travel. Because you don't have a family to worry about in terms of children and stuff is is that i got to see my friends. I got to see my colleagues in the media folks like mateo. Like you jason right and it's like you only saw them like maybe two or three times a year these things whether they were big trade shows or these little gatherings Through together by company. So i think that's critical that the built community for us. That's much tighter than what you can achieve through zoom or or skype or whatever right so i'm looking forward to that resuming. Hopefully companies realized that that's a differentiator for them because we we. We're humans we need. We need contact in person. We don't we you know we can't do the remote thing forever right So i think that's where we're going as for 'em. wc the last rumors. I think matteo. Correct me if i'm wrong. It was june right june in barcelona which is a crazy time to have things in barcelona in my opinion. That's that's the expectation Whether barcelona can sewers can handle the influx of people in june will be. I feel like I feel like we can You know we can anticipate to potentially even not have at this point. I think it's too early to tell but my feeling is also. I've heard also rumors that they might your student china. They might just be shanghai this year. Nothing else and could very well be. I don't know what to expect franken. Yeah even if it does happen. I expect at least twenty twenty one probably into twenty twenty two it will be digital only affair for most people so it will be digital webinars digital broadcasts I think that the the euro going around booths and not shaking hands Is is past. i'm sorry. I'm a pessimist here. But realistically i look at some businesses Who i've worked with. They can't justify spending hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions of dollars for a standard a trade show for week when that save money can go a lot further in online advertising or engaging directly with influences. Yeah that's a really good point. How could you after this year and potentially the next couple of years of a rebound recovery by that point. You're two three years out from the from what used to be the normal it within your business and your business structure has completely changed to really good point. related to covid obviously. Is this whole contract tracing thing which we don't have to spend a lotta time on because there's not a whole lot to say which is just kind of strange right like apple and google. I think it was april. Basically banded together to say. Hey we're gonna create this covid. Nineteen contact tracing api and. We're going to work together and we're going to control it out and everybody's going to be in on this thing if if you opt in and if you cross paths with someone who test positive report self reports it then you will be notified and you'll know and like i like i. I've had it running on my phone for a couple of months. I think the california app only released officially this month but they had the beta it out a couple of months ago like it just doesn't seem like there's any sort of critical mass any sort of critical awareness about it now that the technology is moseley out there so just kind of seems a big fail. Great idea but amiss and execution. I think it's due to human nature. I think that you know especially in the us where people are just terrible about you know To caring for the other folks in their lives. I clearly as we've seen pita not willing to report That they are sick and they are certainly not willing to find out if others are sick because it's more stress and i don't agree with it but i think that's a reality that we have to a You know understand from human factor perspective. You know yeah. There were also in the development of these apps and services. Lots of very strong assumptions at the beginning that each person has one phone and they always have it on them and there are some some use cases probably cases that would have invalidated the whole thing for example someone leaving the phone in a car outside the exit to a train station or a mole. would have indicated that hundreds of people had been in contact with this one person when maybe they hadn't so. I think that it's a great idea. It was in some cases really well executed but the the issue is. There's some fundamental assumptions. That i think that made the actual value of this app. Be less than it could have been and definitely a lot less than was promised to the health organizations and governments that spent a lot of money on the shore. I mean who knows. Maybe in the next couple of months suddenly proves itself. And we're like. Oh i'm really happy. That's in place. But i just don't see it happening. I see it always being just kind of like on the edges of anything you know. That's that's even close to widely adopted Why don't we jump to you matteo. You have one in here. About while way which i mean wa way of course. Was the big story last year. What what's your take you so obvious in twenty thousand nine hundred While way fell foul of the us government and was sanctioned They were put on an entity list. And why we couldn't operate and do business deals with For example google so since late twenty nineteen while we devices have had no google services twenty twenty just got worse at the solution that we hooped was coming didn't arrive and Even more sadly all the devices that previously had had google services weren't allowed to get any security patches or any contribution from google to improve their code base so for example hallway the hallway p thirty pro was not allowed to get any further updates to the operating system. Because way wasn't allowed to work with google. Even though this device had been previously certified at to run google play services. So it's really sad to see a company that is so good at the hardware and integrating their own hardware components with their hundred distribution. Mui it's really sad to see that happen. And is forced their hands to maybe fork android into harmony less. So we'll see where this goes in twenty twenty one but we're already seeing The first results of this with regards to With regards to while ways road forward and as part of that road forwards they've decided to spin out or sell on a consortium of investors and institutional investors who are going to take on her out of the hallway company. They will no longer be related directly. they will have to license hardware or from or other companies for their manufacturing and product development and This is maybe a good thing for honor. The me gets Google place out of his back once they are no longer part of why we so he needs to see how this plays out but essentially. We're seeing honor spun out of the digital native brand of the hallway. Product portfolio is no more and so this is just happening now. It's likely to be eighteen months. Before we actually see a finished. Product of this there will be a lot of patchwork in the meantime but after we all know that product development in the smartphone space is hard it takes a long time for these devices to go through the development pipeline. So not next year. Not twenty twenty one. I expect in two thousand twenty two. We'll see the first honor actual honor smartphones hitting the market. In the meantime maybe some really good hardware with google. Play services who knows yeah. I wonder how that will affect the the design kind of a coach of honor devices. Because i've always actually really liked the design Kind of the or aesthetic. sorry Give he would give me a really big row for saying shyness phones right back. See the shiny the shining thing it will there. There's also the The potential impact of at least here in the us new administration coming in to lead lead the country and how they will approach this whole a story. We know that trump has been pretty pretty pretty hard on the company to say the very least it'd be interesting to see if a biden presidency kind of follows in that follows in that path. And what that does entr in helping the company kind of regain its status or its composure. who who knows but be curious to see changes thing i'd say the quote we saw get started long before trump the had already been warnings and actions taken under the the obama administration. This is a much longer game that we've we've seen over the years but yes trump has been the the flag bearer of the anti way action We'll need see if if this is more than just the administration. Yeah it's Is going to be a tough one because i'm not yet. i hope it relaxes. I think the biggest challenge right. Now i feel is that there should be a separation between the consumer products while he makes and the networking. You know Phone infrastructure right and there isn't in the eyes of the current regime which is as we know really messed up. They don't understand the difference. That scene lumping together. I'm hoping the new regime gets around to understanding that. Why are we meet tweet. Phones and laptops and every many countries use these devices. They have been scrutinized by the secur- security industry right. And nobody's ever found any indication that there's a new brisk bear and as such relaxes at least things like gm s. Because i would love to see wah wah make a make phones. At least on the global versions are available with gm s. And because there's such they make such great hardware. I'm currently reviewing the p forty plus Sorry pre p forty pro. Plus the camera centric phone from the summer. Also have the made forty pro here and and they're great hardware but like you just. You can't recommend them at least not here. In north america or europe or parts of asia. Even because you can't run google stuff on them and notchers google stuff but things like you know. Lift an uber and other stuff because it requires gems. And i'm a little concerned with the direction that while taking in terms of its messaging towards us media which has been gung who raw robot hms which is substitute for jam s and 'bout app gallery. They're terribly Unpopulated op stories. When it comes to western apps and and their stance towards you know the general the general lack of of gm s and they're kind of digging in with it. they're kind of saying harmony. Us coming they're kind of saying hms will solve all this and we all know that's not possible. It's just not going to happen. I think why we if the regime the new regime relaxes saying should be wise to make versions of their products that are sold in the global markets only with gm s or easily rian able the gm s Looking the other way and just swallowing their pride about hms ops at gallery and harmony west because the frequent hardware and we wanted with our frigging software. I mean that's the reality like just get get get that done while we when you can. Yeah right when you when you have the ability to actually take control of and make that happen because right now they they're really hamstrung as far as that's concerned miriam Your next one is definitely a story that i'm happy. You brought up talk about it. Yeah i mean. I think that you know this is something for all of us to talk about. I'm a little distraught by one. Plus strategy in twenty twenty mercy. Because i don't understand it and it doesn't have any cohesion to it And it could be just growing pains. I don't think it's a not very concerned long-term about it. I think there's tons of room for quote unquote recovery. If you even want to say that there was a a missing the first place. Some people don't feel that way. But i feel that it started off really well. We got the one eight and oneplus eight when we got the oneplus. Eight pro which i feel is finally a on. You know unrestrained full-on flagship from one plus with a price tag to match although it's still relatively affordable for pro for flagship but it has all the ingredients. We've been long. Clamoring for like wireless charging a really good camera system. It's very much an underrated cameras system. It's almost the same camera system on the apple. Findings pro that sony. Ibm exceed nine on that fallen. On the main sensor the forty eight megapixel sensor is too tall unsung hero of this year's sensors like it's so good and oneplus did really well with it so and then having a a sodium x five at six forty two megapixel ultra wide which is makes great photos with auto focus on top of that. It's a fantastic phone. It's my daily driver. Some a biased but it started out well and then we got the nord. Which really got everyone excited. Because the nord that you're now holding was essentially plus eight was snapdragon. Seven sixty five g for two thirds or less than two thirds of the price like less than five hundred dollars. And this is. I think the problems began. Frankly like not with the phones per se but with the strategy. Because here's the problem. At least in the west here in the us and canada europe the oneplus eight got taken up by the carriers right. We got oneplus. Eight on t. Mobile and then even a oltra wideband millimeter wave version. Four reisen and now these carriers you know they don't then they can't move as fast as one plus like when the. At came along there was no way. The cures regarded opted. This'll sitting on stock of one plus eats right so now the nord comes out and they can't sell it in the us because it's so good not this please. let's not. Let's talk about that later. But i'm talking about the nor the original. This thing comes out and it's basically it makes the oneplus eight completely irrelevant and redundant and yet the carriers are you know. They can't take the can't sell this in. Us now because the cares we get so mad at them because it's almost as good as the oneplus eight and cost like two thirds of the price or less so that was a strategic mistake in a way that they didn't i think they should have held back on the eight sold the eight pro in the us. And then i these hel held back on the eight with the carriers and then made the nord the carrier form for the us and of course of it. And then i wish they had brought the north of us saluting and then of course it kind of continued falling apart with the ten five g and then one hundred which are both pretty terrible. And i'm not you can get phones from bb k group. The parent company made by lake. Real me and apple up. Maybe not because opposite a little pricier. Bali surreal me seven five g. Recently reviewed on hot hardware is such agreed phone. It is so much better than ten five g. eight is more affordable. It is exactly what you'd expect from one plus at that price point and how is it. That oneplus failed on that. Like how is it. That real me is stealing their show at that price. Born of three hundred. Four hundred dollars. So i don't understand it and My review of the ten five. John reflects that i was like. I think this phone is amiss. I don't recommend it. You know and this whole strategy of going down marquette like why lake like really an upward doing that like just why can't oneplus to stay in the upper ranges of thing. I don't understand why they have to go down low and if they did they should do it right to should. Just just do a real me copy. I mean it's not unusual for group phones to overlap completely so why not overlap completely instead they deliver something that's lesser for more money and doesn't live up to one plus as expectations in terms of performance. It's silly so. I'm kinda bummed in annoyed and confused and i think a lot of people are bummed annoyed and confused and we want to know where this is going and then of course a middle of this. The pr nightmare happens of copays. Leaving the company. Just like oh. I don't know this is for somebody who has a oneplus phone as daily driver and has finally made at oneplus daily driving because finally the oneplus eight pro delivers all my expected features. No matter the price. I just like i switched from a pixel like i'm not the pixel five didn't do it for me. We'll talk about that now. But i feel like i'm i'm kind of confused as to warren pluses going and in this ties into some of the things we're going to be talking about around. Some features are becoming very popular and twenty twenty. That are completely silly. Like these what. I call the sticker cameras the two megapixel useless cameras that might as well be sticker sticker. You look at the seventy last year year ago you had telephoto on that and then we went to the eight and they had no telephone. You had to go to the eight pro for telephoto is like why like. What are you thinking. And then the t is a great phone but the is not that much better than the eight and so it's really hard to justify foam to people right like especially in the. Us where we can only get it with twelve gigs into fifty six towards making it more expensive. And then and then on top of that to add to all of this one plus confusion. Samsung comes along and one plus one plus the s twenty f e. V Five g not the regular for the next two those but the one we get in the. Us is in every way a better phone. that anything. s- oneplus cells at that price point absolutely undoubtably one of the best phones of the year. And we'll talk about that interesting. I can't add anything else to that. You you summarize that perfectly. As far as i'm concerned Yeah very very very boggled by the last couple of devices that oneplus this year. Not because they were a low low price point but because i've always considered one plus to be a value brand and value doesn't necessarily mean cheap value means less money more features like like a punching above. You know above. Its if it's wait Class and these last couple of phones the antennae one hundred just really don't Don't qualify in that in that description. That makes me concern for going forward. What their quality level and You know focus will be going forward. I will say that. I spent my pocket. Money and bolt Oneplus nord en one hundred which is the lowest Entry level oneplus nord so far and putting it side by side with the upper fifty. Three it is identical. It's the same phone. The only difference is the sticker with the brand and oxygen s. Maybe that's the value. They're trying to sell oxygen alexis. The feature that differentiates the device but colorado is a great android distribution. I don't see that there's that much more value in the oneplus brand. But i suppose we'll need to see in six months time how well devices did and more importantly how oneplus going to support the software going forward. Well they're not gonna updated for more than one zero s update and for more than two years of security updates. So they already breaking their promises right there so i think this is the problem right. I feel like. I feel like we're not getting a oneplus experience here. Sure the n ten five g that i runs oxygen west but it's slow for is actually than the real me seven five g that has a dimensity chip from media tech and is a five diamonds. Eight hundred you think and it's slower than that and the west is it feels less. It feels heavier on its feet and it's oxygen so i don't understand it. It's like hobby. They screw that up right. No alerts slider who doesn't one plus slider at that point selloff freakin oppo phone. Like doing it doesn't make any sense. That's the thing that confuses me here is that as as you said jason. There's nothing wrong with going on price. And don market but really is definitely showing the way right now how to do that right. Like that's seven five g if you go to look for one on my last reviews a roomy seven five g just blew my mind for the money. That's exactly what we'd expect from oneplus. This is the phone to get. If you're looking for three hundred and fifty dollar five g phone that kicks serious spot. That has a faster west of fast experience. A good camera. Everything is everything is well-balanced whereas the ten five g is just a lopsided phone. Everything like the six ninety just wasn't impressive at all. Like i expected more for one. Plus and that's sixty four megapixel omni vision. Main sensor is a disaster on the five g. It's just like what were you thinking you know. So i don't know. I just feel they miss the mark and this is something they can fix next year you know. Hopefully they heard feedback loud and clear and we'll see where it goes. We will see where it goes We've got a lot more to talk about real quick before i round this out. I'll just put out a couple of of other things that we had in here that we really don't have the time to talk about Goodbye google play music. Hello youtube music and anyone who watches. Listen to this show is probably like okay. Cool you are gonna talk about it. 'cause holy cow about that on the show like almost every single week but Let's just say i'm not. I'm music is not my music app so i i moved away. I'm not. I'm not satisfied with it. samsung i thought i thought that samsung committing to three android updates was a big deal not just in the story itself but in the potential ripple effect that i hope moves like that by big players and android have on the industry. I want more better support And in upgrades and samsung committing to three full major os upgrades. I think is a good step in that direction And then of course ours. Es return services Just kind of becoming a little bit more ubiquitous right Baked right in there to android messages. Getting end to end encryption When and which used. By the way. And i love when i see the little lock on. The screen comes up and like yes. This is the way it should all along. So the way this is the way it's like actually really do enjoy chat The only time that. I don't when my data in my data connection is wobbly and all and then i get the kind of confusion between his sending. Sms or chat is my message being hung up. And i have to go in there and like tap the message and senate force it to send sms instead but small price to pay. I'm so happy for the changes that are cs brought so Up next we're going to talk about some hardware and boy. Do we have opinions on the hardware of twenty twenty at qualcomm. We believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five. Jesus has transformed telemedicine supporting remote education empowering. Pc's the invention ages here. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age. All right so this so this block you know yes. It's hardware thought this. I kind of section we could focus on the wins the like the like thumbs up of the year and i and so you know we don't have to spend a huge amount of time every single one of these. I can see right now looking over these lists that let's see. I know i have it here that the pixel for a is at least. It's on my list as far as one of my favorite burlap actually Yeah yeah indeed But the pixel for a i just. I was really happy with this my wife. It's her phone. she's totally happy with it and we were talking about value earlier. This is just one of those devices that i felt really proves how would the strength of value and especially the moment in time. The value is well valued as much as it is right now. Three hundred forty nine dollars. You get that amazing camera The small form factor. Which i'd say is a is a is a big bonus for a lot of people. Maybe not so much for me. I do prefer larger phone. people are always happy to have the option to have a smaller form factor and the displays really nice great oh led display pixel for a. Were you thoughts on that. Man i think google nailed it. I actually think that google makes better low end phone then high end or mid range phones. I feel that looking back at all of two thousand twenty with the four five g in the five in the mix I feel that the five is amiss. And i will talk about that later It's not a bad phone by any means. But i think the four and to some extent the forty five g represent exactly what google is good at very generic hardware but done right has all the right ingredients and then exceptional hardware software and of course the imaging that always stands out but i think with the four day. They went the extra mile. I feel like it's really the like shows how phone should be. It's like if you completely the antithesis of a chinese phone at that price point right because the chinese price point would have like four cameras in the back. Two of them would be two megapixel You know sticker cameras. As i like to call them completely useless cameras. Spend that money on a good means sensor at that. Price point makes way more sense. Maybe an ultra wide. But that's all you really need right. You know put more money by instead of one hundred twenty hertz. Ips green that jitters put on sixty hertz. All displays exactly what they did like there are things that look great on paper like high refresh rate one hundred percent on board. But don't do high refresh rate on ips. It doesn't work very well. Doesn't look right so like stick with what you can do that. You know that's good. And and this is exactly i think google is in a massive showing the rest of the world. This is how you make an android phone like in indy. Gm tradition of an android phone. You know what i'm saying and to a great extent we've seen the same from apple with the right like the. Sec is kind of like the four as seo the android world enron and there's bells and whistles is just just the basics but to eleven every single dimension great battery life great performance build quality super great display super great camera and all the google goodness software. Like i mean to me. This is the mo the affordable phone of twenty twenty one hundred percent barn on you know yes the real me. Seven five years talked about as a great phone in the same price range. But it doesn't bring you the same level of delight it just doesn't it's a very good phone and it does give you some other things like five gene high refresh rate a multi cameras but ultimately if you want the best you can get three hundred and fifty dollars. It's the four that's it. Yeah i would agree and actually this this merges nicely into your Your first pick matteo the oneplus nord. Which i would consider to be the potential Kind of runner up to that if it was just available more places but more in the five hundred dollar range if he became available here in north america is true. So i think it's a different dimension right. But i i picked it as well and i want him matteo way. Yeah so i'm i picked the oneplus nord. I saw jason is ready. Picks the google pixel for a. I was running the pixel for a oneplus nord side by side and they're two completely different devices. And i think they suits two types of people in different markets that have different lifestyles altogether. The pixel for as great if that's not your main computing device. It's great if you have access to tablets T a big tv or a computer but in that price ranger at the point where for some people that smartphone that three hundred and fifty pounds sterling or that three hundred seventy nine pounds sterling is your main computing device and for that price. I think the oneplus nord delivers a lost. It's a lovely big device is. It's not too big. It's not humongous. the battery. Life is excellent. there is as we say. It's the sticker cameras on the back. The main sensor is very good though. It's not pixel foray levels but that forty eight. Megapixel sensor indecent lighting takes excellent pictures and overall it has warp charge. It has all the basic features of a smartphone which i most consumers will be the main smartphone. They'll use for a couple of years. And i think that oneplus nord the original oneplus. Nord has a very good set of tradeoffs for the price point. Now just as a personal thing. I really like the fact that the oneplus nord has dual. Selfie comes and it brings back that wide-angle selfie cam that we saw on the google pixel three xl. And overall i have to say four. The three hundred and seventy nine pounds. If that's going to be your main computing device. So you don't have a computer or tablets. I think the oneplus nord. De maybe a better option and i can also see why Oneplus decided to go with a sticker cameras and go with a spec sheet Comparisons it's because that's targeted at specific markets. Where the consumer doesn't really care if it takes good pictures or not. The important thing is to be seen to have four cents on the back of your phone because it's better than just having one so i think that it is for a different market different type of consumer. The oneplus nord is in that sweet spot price point with still accessible and gives you a really good smartphone experience Our full review take traveling exists. Now live on our youtube channel. It is a device. I really enjoyed using over the course of a few months and during a long-term review of i really hope to see more of this from one plus rather than what we saw with the oneplus nord in one hundreds or the the five g. Let's let's hope they do do that. so when plus it's a bit of what the hell year for them but then again the walsum rough gems such as the oneplus nord. The cannot do that I think the The nord is kind of an unsung hero. Twenty twenty but it's an unsustainable unsung hero. There is no way oneplus making money on that phone. It is a oneplus eight with saffron seven sixty five gene all practical purposes. They are raving thin margins on this phone. And this is why it couldn't sell to the carriers in the us and if you go to my You can go to hardware review at read about it folks But the the reality is this is that this is not a fun. Wish compared to the rate at all this is a phone who should compared to the four eight five g because it is a five g foreign the rest of the world and it is also in the same price point around five hundred dollars once you translate right So really the the very flawed one plus n ten five g. The the one that i talked about earlier. That is not so good. That competes price-wise more directly with the pixel four a so this is more for five g. competitor and that's why separate it out has one of my favorite devices because it's not at the same price as a foray that being said though we need more of this from one plus it is such a form it is so fast. It is almost imperceptibly as fast. I mean very much you have to put side by side with a oneplus eight pro or something to notice the difference between that and the nord. It's incredibly well executed and to me. That's why is one of my top five. You know i would say that the business model did change with the oneplus towards I don't know how much you looked into this but There was quite a significant amount of bluetooth have preinstalled on the oneplus nord. There was all the facebook gaps and other apps a radio on the device. So i think that they may be doing what xiaomi traditionally does is sell their smartphones at a loss. Because they're making more money out of the pre installed apps or pushing other services on the device and that's That's what i think. The oneplus nord is a bit of a they didn't want to dirty their main line of smartphones with it. But they're playing around in that play grand all let's see how much we can balance pre installs and make money out of the people wanting to pre install their apps against the idea of oxygen s being Oxygen s being blue free. now mariam. what do i know next. You have a samsung. Which which one do you want to five featuring that you have an years ron order. I kind of broke it down. And my podcast with into price category. So less than five hundred for me was the pixel for a oneplus. Nord is five right up at five hundred sweet spot where also the forty five g lives and honestly you can't go wrong with either if you north few north america. You can't do five g on the nord so you might wanna pick for forty five g And then you've got the next one. I think is kind of an unsung hero again and is also showing that. If samsung wants they can eat your lunch. And that's the samsung galaxy. S twenty fan edition. Five g the efi. This phone is unreal for seven hundred fifty dollars. It's way better the oneplus eight in my opinion or the. At now the only negative on our that. It has a plastic back but at that price porn. That's a compromise. I'm willing to make and doesn't have a more than six gigs aram in the us which is a little tight for right but if you think about everything else on that phone it's crazy it has basically a snapdragon eight sixty five nine. No big deal but it has a telephoto which you don't see that price point anymore. It has wireless charging and reverse wireless charging which you also don't see a a a commonly this price point and it's basically as i said before out plus one plus All out one plus one plus it's like basically Some sun going. Oh yeah let's show you how it's done oneplus like we have the infinite budget to completely undercut you and we're going to do that and i still think that some songs making money on this thing so it's impressive and i've only started using it recently. I just finally got a device. I i've been kind of hypothetically talking about it for a long time based on some brief hands on with it. But i think this phone especially in north america where you know it supports all the five g and everything is just a sweet spot like i think the oneplus should learn for the nine and the nine t you whatever not the pro that. They're next that this should be the phone to go after that. The next phone price point needs a telephoto needs wireless charging if they don't do that then they're missing out on how you do a seven hundred dollars or seven hundred and fifty dollar four. And so far. They haven't shown that they're going. That drought there. No confirmed while charging on the nine rumors. There is no i. Pure existence confirmed on nine rumors. And there's certainly no telephoto confirmed online room. Sure the nine is Oneplus nine supposing is going to have the fastest chip as usual lots of ram storage. But i don't care about twelve weeks. Aram i eight is fine. I just want or six is not good but eat is fine. Give me eight but give me a better camera. Give me while charging you know it's your sake me like samsung. I sense on fan. Like i am surprised that i think samsung really did an incredible job in twenty twenty weather device lineup again. We're not even talk about e series but in the foldables. I mean there's so much good stuff in their lineup and the next thing for me that's a really good thing is the note. Twenty ultra five g. Which if you wanna spend more than a thousand dollars on a phone to me. There's an ops. I mean short of going to a full two z. Full to like you have in your list. Jason which i think is another phenomenal phone. But it's two thousand dollars so short of going that high she wants just the traditional form factor phone that just absolutely kicks ass in every possible way and supports every band. You can imagine in every country possible. Get yourself a simpson note. Twenty ultra five g. It is really amazing. The camera system on that thing is one of my top. Three cameras of twenty twenty Alongside some of the weiwei phone and the pixels Forget the iphone at this point. I in my opinion and those are fighting words. But there are there and you know and between those Between those two samsung phones i just mentioned is the phone that you picked. Which is my daily driver which you mentioned before. Which is i. Think the only one plus phone other than the north this year. They re delivers what we expect from one. Plus and that's the oneplus eight pro. Give me more of that one. Plus that's what i want from. You agreed yeah. The eight pro. I think i think oneplus did a great job of kind of delivering a on their kind of basically bringing out like if oneplus was to do a true flagship. This is what it would be. And i'm really like i. I completely agree with what you were saying. As far as the cameras concerned. Like give me a good camera system in the oneplus phones. And i'll be pretty happy because for the most part at least in the early part of the year and before you know for years before they're they're getting the design they're getting the software right. I'm happy with all that. It's always the camera that becomes the downfall for me. So i was happy to see what they did with the a pro but also i also want to To tag along on what you were saying as far as the camera system on the note The note twenty ultra five g. Which is what. I have right here. for For as long as i've had this phone it has been the main b roll device that i've used to shoot reviews and stuff for twitter. And i mean it's solid right the pro- Mode that that you can fire into both for video and photos. Like i do stuff with this and i would send it to anthony or whoever was editing and he'd be like what camera are using they think that was using like a dsl or of some sort. It's oh no it's the it's the note. Twenty ultra five g so Big time agree with you on that but of course you know it is. It is a a costly phone not nearly as costly as a phone. That i don't have in my hands. Unfortunately but i did put on my list like you mentioned the galaxy z. Fold to which i put in here not necessarily because i think it's a phone that everybody's going to get because like you mentioned it's two thousand dollars. But i was impressed by it. Yes it was. The first foldable. True foldable That i had the opportunity to play around with. But it was the first one that i really wanted to. Because it really seemed like a lot of the lessons were learned and it was just executed. Well and in my time with it you know. I only had a couple of weeks. But i really enjoyed my time with it. I don't know. I don't know that i would necessarily spend two thousand dollars on that particular phone but for a foldable for someone who really wants a well-executed foldable. That's great for multitasking That's you know really powerful. Samsung really didn't hold back as far as the the power and the jews inside You're gonna get great device you just paying a lot for it and i think that's commendable at least at this point because we did see some pretty turn tastic foldables leading up to this so at least we have one that we can point to and say see. This is what you can do when you really focus on it and deliver a good good experience. So that's why i put that in there. i think i think it's totally legit. I think that samsung really executed like a boss. This year. i as much as one plus astrology was. What the hell this. Their strategy was rock solid and it really shows. They learn from their lessons from last year. Another phone that really hit it for me was the flip flippin as you flip five g. I've had both and honestly those phones are so polished. You put the razor next to them and it's a joke like that both and i seriously like you can't even does not even be. It's like apples and oranges. You're looking at completely different universe. And and i think that you know in the past. I've always had all the samsung flagships but i spend a week with them and put them aside. I'm like yeah. They're great phones. Everybody's going to buy million of them shrug right this year. I could not put down the note. Twenty ultra five g. I could not put down the fold to one hundred. I could not put down my z. Flip i just keep using the fee. Now there's this little as twenty feet seven hundred bucks like what is happening. I wanna hate you so much yet. I can't like you're doing it right doing it. So right samsung. Jeez i could you make one of your batteries explode or something. Come come on matteo. What you to get in there with your last two picks as well what what do you got. So my loss to pigs are two very different ones and just like miriam. I'm going in a specific order. Started off with oneplus nord. I think my runner-up so my second best phone of twenty. Twenty is the vivo ex. Fifty one five g now. Vivo is a smartphone company. Chinese smart company Which has just really launched in europe. In the last few months they went really present previously but in asia. They're really really big. Brand especially in southeast asia so in countries like the philippines malaysia indonesia as well as their home turf of china now vivas part of became the same company behind one plus apple real me and other brands but the eggs fifty one five g Is surprisingly good smart van. And it's one of those devices that has filled the void left by the p thirty pro for me the while we p thirty pro was an all round excellent smartphone with nice industrial design. Good battery life. amazing cameras. The eggs fifty one five g in a way has filled that gap. Because it's a not full on flagship smartphone. Because it's using just like the oneplus nord Snapdragon seven six. Five g chipset with five g but the camera system is astounding. It's i it's a gimbal mounted main sensor and that gimbal bound to mean sensor is a forty eight megapixel f over one point six so really really good in lowlights really goods in handled light. Just an excellent camera. The that's period. With an eight megapixel periscope five times optical zoom camera Just as we saw in the p thirty pro from while we it then also has a thirteen megapixel two times telephoto which is optimized for portrait photography and an eight megapixel ultra wide sensor so a really good camera setup very versatile overall and peered with some very good software. That does the computational photography stuff really. Well so i'm really really impressed by this device. Vivo have a winner on their hands. Here they're only issue is they. Don't have the big deals with network carriers in europe yet but the ready starting to sell in multiple retailers here so overall i'd say it's a great smartphone. It's just. It's not unknown brand yet but what people are doing is they're filling in that gap in the market while we laughed when they stopped being able to access geomancer. The google services that make in most western markets make the smartphone experience. Very very good. So well unto vivo. On this device i would say is. It's an old scream. It's ninety helps. Refresh rate screened really nice screen. I was surprised by how good that screen is in direct sunlight. This is the smartphone. I now used for flying my drone and using the dj app in open air indirect direct sunlight. It works very well So i'd say vive will have a all round winner here. I don't think it's a full-on flagship. To competes with the likes of the p forty pro plus or the the samson notes series of devices. But it's a very very good all-round smartphone okay. And so i've talked about expensive smartphones. Twenty twenties. Been a tough year for a lot of people And globally at that was noticed in the smartphone sales in in in the markets. We see this from data from various sources showing us that If anything consumers have reduced the number of upgrades to their smartphones and where they have done so they've opted for cheaper option than they would have maybe two years ago so my pick for best smartphone of twenty is the xiaomi redmi nine it's a sub hundred and fifty dollar smartphone sub hundred and fifty pounds sterling here in the uk including taxes. But overall you get a five thousand million power battery you get a plastic body with a nice big six point. Five ing screen It's all round a really goods smartphone for the price. And it's has usb type c. It has a headphone jack. It has a quad camera setup on the back but most of them are sticker cameras and it has a fingerprint scanner on the bag. So this fantastic. Plastic smartphone is accessible in price. It's available with google play. It's available not only from the network carriers but to buy some free and offers amazing valley. It's not powered by the latest and greatest snapdragon chips it. It's a it's a mediatek. Helio g chipset but in terms of performance. I've put side by side with a snapdragon. Four sixty on the nuclear three point. Four the redmi nine actually performs better. You can play call of duty mobile on it. You can do some lights video editing on. It's it's not It's not what you'd expect from one hundred and fifty dollars smartphone. And i think that this is the overall the best smartphone of twenty twenty because it offers so much value. And with me you. I or mealy Xiaomi's android distribution it's bound to get updates for at least two years so i know this is a an enthusiast show about android but i think that we need to remember for a lot of people anything more than one hundred and fifty dollars for a smartphone is maybe not realistic to spend and i think the redmi nine is really The smartphone of twenty twenty jason. I have a couple of things to add very quickly. I know we gotta move on but I had the vivo x fifty pro five huge exactly the same fallen global version of it And that vehicle form is absolutely one of my favorite camera of twenty twenty. If you're into imaging it's up there with a p forty forty plus note. Twenty ultra You know iphone. Twelve pro max. It's in terms of imaging and it's a six hundred fifty dollar phone Was not bearing seven. Sixty five g so i completely agree with what matteo was saying. On the vivo a superbly impressive. Full news no secret cameras on that thing. All those cameras actually useful and do a fantastic job and my pick for really cheap a really amazing phone from the same company xiaomi. That just came out recently as the poco and three hundred fifty dollars kick serious ass on one hundred fifty dollars. That thing is amazing. Poco m three check it out. Poco is is a brand that. I have not spent any time with but i always see it and i'm always very curious about it so i'm very intrigued to hear you say that. Seems like it seems like anytime. I read about it. People are are about the poco series phones so thank you for bringing that up all rights we're not verging too far away from hardware up next. We're going to talk a little bit about some hardware disappointments so many empty there. We go sure why. I mean for for video of for viewers thinking goats for audio listeners. They're like wow. I haven't heard that audio bumper in months. Thank you thank you and everyone in the background making this happy yes making the goats return to the show. So yeah so this is really hardware but not just like phones that were disappointments kind of thinking like phones. Yes but also trends. Are there trends things that are happening right now that we're seeing that we hope. Kind of changes for instance at the top of my list. Is this this whole paying extra or it seems that we're paying extra for phones. That have five g capability you know. I always read about this. Well you know. Part of the reason that the the price is more expensive because the five g Chip inside is more expensive chip. So you've got to cover the cost somehow and knowing that if that is true and then realizing the gains that you really don't even get right now when it comes to five g you know most of the phones that have tested this year That are five g phones. I've seen five g papa. Plenty of times. I've noticed zero speed improvements of any sort so anyone that's buying any of these phones and paying extra for them and then expecting. Oh well now. I'm going to get the really fast. Five g speeds that i keep hearing about just. It's a myth at this point. Maybe someday that'll be true. Or maybe you're just really lucky and you happen to be exactly the right place at the right time But i just. I hate pay seeing. Anyone have to pay extra for something. That just kind of isn't happening right now. So that's bugging kind of want to agree with you and disagree with you. Okay okay. i'm with you because yes At the high and the sixty eight hundred series chips of it's out of control like the pricing is of these chips especially because the mortem is separate the eight sixty five hopefully eight fifty the eight eight hundred eighty s be announced is going to solve that pricewise somewhat. I don't think the prices go up again because of that but they did need to go up this year. which sucks. but here's a reality. There is an unsung hero here. And that's the snapdragon seven sixty five g that chip kicks us in every way possible has integrated five g and honestly it's worth it's price and all the devices with it are really affordable and you get five g if you want it as a bonus so i think that's okay but i want to also say to you that i felt the same way about five g low band mid bands. It's been pretty slow at least in the. Us might wanna talk to my listeners. In other countries. I'm hearing lots of great things about five g either pretty happy. As tech savvy early adopters and more importantly. I now live in millimeter. Wave land and. Let me tell you when. I go out my door. I get some crazy performance all my verizon phones right now. The millimeter wave is unbelievably fast. Now of course only works. I don't imagine you know if you wanted to step out of the house. Go for walk to the corner store or whatever and get yourself like a. You know a beverage with something and at the same time you upload that video. That's an hour long like it'll do it in an instant while you're walking and trust me. This isn't i was kind of a bit of a skeptic about the whole five g until i use millimeter wave. Now is it viable. Is it worth. I'm not sure my biggest gripe is that we're sometimes paying for millimeter. Wave when we needed like. I'm not rising customized only testing verizon phones. I'm on t. mobile. I don't need millimeter wave yet. If i buy a pixel five. I have to buy it with millimeter. Wave and pay for it versus europe where they get a cheaper pixel five which i think represents better what that phone is worth so. There's things like that. So but i don't want to. I think you're right on the high end. I think in the mid range now like that dimensity. Eight hundred you from mediatek. That's basically a snapdragon. Seven sixty five g. Competitor is a much cheaper chip than the seven sixty five. And it's on that real me. Five seven five g. I mentioned earlier and it is kicking ass in performance and it's got five g low band so i think it's i think is changing. I think it started off the year like that in. Us we have this weird weird view. You know it's like this view of people go to carriers to buy the phone and have a monthly planning. I've no reality how much a phone really costs. Which is why those five hundred seven hundred dollars. Phones are very popular if you can buy a galaxy note oltra Note twenty ultra for forty eight dollars a month on payment. You know you're getting a a really great phone for the money and you might not really notice the pain right versus you. Know buying a fighting to buy it up front when it was brand new saying. Yeah so that's kind of my take on that. So i think this is the two sides to the story but in general. I feel that you're right that we should have to pay for the five gene. But i think that's going away this year certainly in twenty twenty one hundred. I don't think we're gonna pay for five g. It's going to be there. i'm sure yes. And an as five g becomes more ubiquitous as the speed gains. Be become more dependable than obviously all of that. Changes is just I i think you're i think you're fortunate and you're lucky that you live right there. I'm very lucky with millimeter. Wave and i think a lot of people are going to get it thinking that they're gonna get that exactly and they aren't. That could be a bit of a bummer. So materia what's at the top of your list I would say one of the things that i agree with his obviously five g. I think there's a bigger conversation about infrastructure being The the cause of these issues and that in most countries the infrastructure for that speed is down to the back. Boone more than the actual transmitters now five g is great But i think that another thing. That's i was a bit disappointed in in. Twenty twenty is the continuation of the trend in mostly asian markets of having lots of specs and cameras as we've called them as sticker cameras to be there just to make them look good on a spec sheet. I think that both ourselves here at all about android and our other shows like mobile. Podcasts should be that maybe educate consumers to say having more cameras doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to take better pictures it might be better to have less For for better quality and it's it's really difficult to communicate that especially when a lot of the flagship phones. Those pound phones have big camera modules So the assumption. Is that a big camera. Module with lots of lenses is good It's very difficult to convince. The the average consumer in some markets. That's the pixel for a approach to product development is probably better suited to the consumers needs in many cases so that was a personal Peeve of mine and obviously the while we issue as well as is another one But that's a. We've already touched on that. I think i would like to see the whole issue be resolved in in twenty twenty one mainly because while we is a great innovator it really has pushed other. Companies like samson to up their game in smartphone feature areas such as battery life and cameras Miriam what's What's burning you can second matteo on the useless. Two megapixel cameras at a sticker comes And i'm looking primarily a bb k group. Xiaomi group here they're the worst offenders and then i would say the lack of telephoto. Lg's worst offender. They're not even their flagship v six years until photo anymore Come on like That's a nine hundred dollar phone my. Let's get real put a telephone that I think i wanna see more telephoto as and less useless micro-cameras basically Another thing is We touched on the oneplus nord and ten five gene and one hundred and how they were disappointing phones for one plus and at oneplus to remedy this. I'm not gonna talk about that I won't talk a bit about the pixel five and in general about the lack of wireless charging as a normal feature in any phone over five hundred dollars. I think that if you spend that kind of money five hundred bucks you should have wireless charging on your phone and should not even be an if or but like it should just be there. And i think that you know. There's a lot of debate about that. When i talked to. My audience is a lot of places people in places you know that just like tell me like why we don't i don't use it. I don't need it. I don't want it and i'm like but those people who use it a needed they now want it like once you have it. You can't go back. And if apple can make a foam. The costs four hundred bucks like iphone. Se the has wireless charging you have no excuse manufacturers this easy dollar part at best okay. Just stick it in there and we can all enjoy. Some doesn't have to be the fastest. Strategist just put it in there. There's this tendency. For chinese phones to not have wireless charging even at the high end like the apple finds pro which is basically a fancy premium version of the oneplus. Eight pro. that phone is oppose was opposite. Best for the first half of the year and doesn't have wireless charging yet. Oh does make phones of wireless charging so it's really weird to me. That's not a standard seeing these days. And i think it needs to exist because those of us like i the reason i wanna buy flexi for thousand dollars because i want wireless charging i could perfectly fine with the oneplus nord for five hundred bucks but it doesn't have was charging. And why do i spent seven hundred dollars for pixel five to get wireless charging when the pixel for a five g is arguably in every way a better phone for the money other than it misses things like water resistance and unwise charging. Why do i have to spend three hundred dollars more two hundred dollars more for that feature google right now. You're going to say well. It's gets more premium phone and but spec wise you know like that's i don't i. Don't get the pixel five surprising. I get doesn't like i feel that the pixel forty five g is the better phone yet. I can't use it. Because i need wireless charging in water arisen and also the five has smaller screen. And i don't want a smaller screen and also has millimeter wave that i'm paying for and i don't want millimeter. Wave because i'm on t. Mobile so it sees little things that i think make the pixel five hartzell and overall i wanna see more manufacturers with just wise charging across the board in the same way as nfc for a long time wasn't available on chinese phones and now we're seeing it happen that much more reasonable price points even though in china. It's not a big deal. Trevon if seen nobody really uses it so i like the fact that that became commonplace and now on i want the industry and twenty five a wish for twenty twenty one. Is that any phone cell. Sold for five hundred dollars or more automatically gets wireless charging why. Why do you think that isn't included if it's a part or a feature that's so like because you can save money it's more it's more profit on the bottom line. It's like a dollar per thousands of phone manufacturers saving money right but at the same time it's because they're counting on the fact that the consumers at that price point heaven only experienced it but unfortunately companies like apple and some companies like samsung who've been putting charging and pretty much everything you know have kind of spoiled us and i think in north america where ninety percent of people walk into a in to a carriers joined by either an iphone or samsung phone. You end up with people. Expect was charging to use on their phones. And so then. I can recommend a vivo. You know x fifty pro. Whatever you know or like a great other phone because they tell them in there. I go but doesn't charging. I don't want it you know it's one of those features once you have it you don't want to go back. Nfc once you have it. You don't wanna go back right. It's so funny. Because i have had it and i've not used it for months now and i think the reason was because i probably started using. I mean i'm back on the four xl. So i could totally use it. I just don't i choose not to which is weird because i i would. In theory i would totally agree with you I think what i've realized for me. Is that wireless wireless charging for me is not a necessity. I don't consider it in sesame. It's nice to have. But i'm just as fine plugging in probably totally outlier. I completely agree. But it doesn't bug me that much but if it's expensive to add like for me it comes from the fact that i have a pixel stand on my desk ever since three and i started using it and so now that's hard charge my phone. I leave it on my desk. I don't even my night table. I've got google speakers to talk to. If i wanted like setting alarm whatever and so i leave it on my desk and it's also nice to be able to charge a halfway through the day or whatever just slowly while i just it's it's the second display i get my notifications as i'm working on my mac because obviously i don't have The integration of the messages. I could do that but it's a pain. So i'd rather have a display for that and then i you know i have a tesla so i was charging in my car. A lot of people you can buy in every hundai made this year. Twenty twenty has wireless charging built in so people are starting to get used to just throwing their phone in the little middle cubby thing of their car when they were walking to their car and have an avid charge right. And there you throw in so many phones in the center console attends led to charge and then realize wait. This doesn't have wireless charging and like wise. My battery dying. Like it's right you get so used to it. That point just becomes the norm and this is why it to me is such an issue. Is that you again. If i wasn't used to it. I wouldn't care but i'm used to it right now. I can't i can't undo it. I can't unsee it. You know you've taken the lead at the red pill or whatever matteo got. I'm not used to wireless charging yet But i'm sure we'll be soon because in twenty twenty My partner candice. And i are obviously not traveling and we decided to upgrade our sofa. Too smart sofa which has wireless charging in the sofa as well as power recliners and way so. I'm getting used to it. But i'm not there yet As far as i am concerned at the moment. I agree with jason. It's not really a necessity. I would much prefer to have. Maybe better battery life together. Make it a bit thicker or use. The space that the wireless charging would have gone into at a few hundred million power Of battery capacity for me. Please yeah well this kind of ties in with one of one of yours. Actually since we're on the topic of battery matteo you're you're talking about fast charging standards. That's so. I'm one of the frustrations that came to me. from twenty twenty Was the fact that there's so many different smartphones with the standards for false charge. They've got qualcomm fast charge. You have one plus with warp charge. You have vivo. And people in oppa with their own false charge. It's starting to get complicated and the ideal of having that single standard for fast charging Is is now a mirage. There is some light at the end of the tunnel A lot of third party power delivery gon charges are hitting the market not just anchor. But there's a lot of different brands out there offering gallium nitrite Charges so we may see that the the standards for charging maybe settle on one or two if not What's what apple and samsung are doing in the twenty watts Fast charge space. But it's a was a frustration for me this year. I have to say. I being able to fuss charged some devices but not others and then have to go and rub injured in the box to find the appropriate charger and speaking of boxes and charges. jason what what. What are your thoughts on the matter first of all just to piggyback on what you were saying i i will i wanna throw out one of my one of the moments in android. That really pleased me. This year was was the oneplus. Eight t and the warp charge sixty five t which is the charging brick that yes charges that phone from zero to one hundred thirty five minutes. It totally does pretty amazing that it does but also. They finally kind of made that charger a more universal fast charger and one plus has been has historically made their fast charging bricks only fast charging for the oneplus devices for that standard and with that charging break they kind of opened it up so you get a fast charge on other devices not quite as fast as what you get with the but still a pretty fast so so i i applaud oneplus for at least exploring that because i thought that was a move in the right direction so just attack that on for you but i maybe. This is less of a trend. Well i guess it's i guess. It's now a trend for this year. Because the the latest iphone ship without power brick and his show me me levin that was just announced going to okay market trend that we're gonna see more and more. Obviously this is you know. There's an obvious try definitely going there next. Yes absolutely and You know like we've had the debate on the show on whether you know how we feel about it like you know i find myself very torn on it because on one hand okay. I totally get the green the green perspective. We've i definitely have a drawer as i'm sure the three of us totally do a drawer full of chargers and everything and So do i really need another charging breaker cable. No i probably don't. But i think for the white majority of people buying these phones that really does feel like a nickel and dime okay and now they expect me to drop. You know thirty bucks on a charger. If i want to charge my phone. I don't think everybody is us. You know not. Everybody has the stockpile of charges and everything and i just think. That's kind of a bummer. Though i also kind of get it because of the whole green green said the double few from apple was the fact that they shipped. The phone's not only with a charter. By whether usb c two lightning cord which is you can imagine for most people new species. Still not their thing especially appetizers. Unless you're like an ipod an ipad pro or accuser with which all have usb c like chances are if you only have that cord. You've again lot of cars and twenty twenty. Come with usb c but who's gonna brand new car right like so i hear you on this but i think that in markets like north america this is going to be relatively easy to achieve this not having charter thing because of the anchors of the world because of what you talked about because pd par delivery. Usb pd is becoming extremely commonplace now. You can buy chargers for really cheap. That are really good. That do op to you know. Thirty forty five sixty five watts and have one of those around and you can charge your laptop your ipad your phone with that you know. Pd support so that's the thing. I've experimented a little bit and did a bit of research here. I wanna fill you in. Because i haven't written about this anywhere. So this is exclusive new content for twit. I had done a lot of research on all the phones. I have i have pretty much all the flagships of twenty twenty and all of them support some sort of pd charging a fifteen to twenty to twenty watts. So no matter what phone you buy today. That comes with a custom. High-speed chargers a thirty water. If in the case of the oneplus. Eight t you know sixty. Five watt whatever crazy charger that might come with in the the iphone. Not come with. You can use a pd charger to get fifteen to eighteen to twenty watts of charge on all of them too. There are standards matteo this but there are standards all bbq group phones apple. Vivo real me. All those use the same bricks you can interchange them one hundred percent. You just have to manage the naming right so super. Three is equivalent of like warp charge. Sixty five right and they work. I've tested it. You know who else does go. how did they do. But it's inconsistent so for example. The new oneplus nord en one hundred ten five g have watts charging power delivery or eighteen. Watch charging over usb type. A it's not consistent. Luke is maybe for particular devices in the portfolio. But it's not a standard across all of them. I agree with you. But i'm just saying at least within companies as working but it's even better than that all xiaomi phones while we phones a compatible for fast charging pro proprietary chargers so shami and while we group are using the same technology for fast charging. So if you have a xiaomi charger you can charge a phone at high speed and vice versa right now of course you have to match them. It's a sixty five watt on foreign thirty one the charge. You only gonna thirty one on the phone right but tip different gentlemen either backwards compatible and it's interesting to see that at least two brands shami group and why we group which is now only way but used to be honored as well is compatible and that bb k pretty much all four bb k brands us. Chain a changing sharing the same high speed. What's interesting is at. Samsung is pretty much writing the pd way for their phones And so as apple and so is moto and so is google and so also this quick charge which is generally. If you have which qualcomm you'd both pdf and quick charge and quick charge right now. There is one standard of quick charge. I think it's quick charge five. That isn't really up anybody yet. But it's out there and it's one hundred watt. Nobody used it yet. So i don't know we'll see how it goes. That's the only thing. I agree with you that it's still not harmed percents standardized but i'm seeing some really good progress to see these brands at least sharing technologies with one another or at least within their some brands and but i am definitely feeling that you know. Pass thirty what you really need to foster like i i. I don't think so like i feel that. Yeah it's miraculous but you know how much it kills your battery to charge. Sixty five watt. It's not good in fact. That's what the software win all these phones to stop charging at ninety percent. It's like you don't want to charge it fully. But he's not good for it. yeah. I totally agree. But then in the travel perspective. I like having a sixty five watt or hundred watts. Gallium nitrite type charger. 'cause just take one with me and that charges my laptop my top my fire tablet. And my phone's all from the one one challenger. And i think that's where the versatility of the sixty five. What hundred watt charges will come into. Its own as long as the phones knew how to limit themselves and don't start a fire. Let's look at note seven. I'm sure we'll be fine but at the moment we're still not were in in the same situation we wear with operating systems and operating system upgrades on android roundabout seven eight years ago. Yeah def word. Yeah i think what i wanna see more. Pd high thirty five. Watt forty watt pd. A board so you can have your hundred watt custom charger wa wa or bb k group or whoever but peace gave me at least more than fifteen eighteen twenty one of the charging support and as as jason soul smartly brought up do what one plus stayed where the charging break if you buy the super fast charging break is also a perfectly good. Pd charger I think the one on the. At is sixty. Five watt proprietary. But it's up to thirty one or thirty. Five watt pd which is really great again. You can charge your macbook air with that so they go indeed. Yeah that's one of the things. I really liked about that Matteo you have one last one. Is that right or did we already talked about that one I think we touched touched on. Okay visit five. Ships are becoming much much more expensive. The market is moving towards the low end because of some economic reasons in two thousand. Nine hundred ninety. I think that's just the same way. Google spent a lot of time. Developing the google pixel for a A lot more smartphone manufacturer should be giving love to that market segment rather than the flagship Yeah for sure agree agreed awesome. Well that was a whole lot of disappointment because Next we're gonna talk about some of our favorite apps of the year old music house week. Four own alright. So like i said earlier. We don't have the Segment this week. We will get to a next week in its place. We're gonna talk about a couple of the apps that have happened this year that we either love or love to hate in the case of at least one of these that i see but i'll go first And i had to check just to be sure that it was this year. Because wow this has been a year but and i know i've talked about it on the show already and i think even google highlighted it a couple of weeks ago in their In their best of Play store awards but dolby on is my pick and realizing the link i put in there is not the right link so They're go burke. Has it so basically. This is an app. That is it's really. It's an audio recording app. But i man. I love it if you're a musician. This is an amazing app for just like scrap Like ideas that you have on the fly. Basically the idea of this of course dolby creates his Very world renowned. I noise reduction algorithm and all different types of technology around noise reduction and improving the recorded. Sound and everything. Couple that with the fact that you know smartphone. Recordings aren't always don't always sound amazing right. The mike's on smartphones aren't aren't excellent. At least not not on most phones. So if you're recording like Say i down a record an idea on guitar. It sounds fine but what this does is. It actually analyzes the sound the noise print in the room and applies the dolby noise reduction Kind of filter to the room when you're recording so it eliminates all of this extra and i mean i've just had some excellent results where i sit down even with like an unplugged electric guitar so it was just. If you've ever played an unplugged electric guitar you know. It's actually pretty quiet. It's kind of twangy and really high pitched and very quiet versus like a big booming like acoustic guitar. And when you record it with this app all the smarts inside make it sound amazing like suddenly it sounds like a full vibrant guitar and It's just a really great It's got a whole bunch of other features you know some like effects and stuff. I don't really touch those. But basically i use this to record ideas and then i export that as an audio file an mp three file and put that into evernote which is where. I like document all of my song ideas. That's like my my catalog of song ideas And it's just it's it's become Just at the top of my list of of favorite new things that keep me being creative so it's called dolby on worth checking out. Yes if you're a musician but also if you're just looking for a really unique and interesting audio recording app It just it does a really good job. So i think it's worth checking out. Tom and it was called by google. So i think i would agree. The design of it is really interesting to and actually matteo. Your app was also called out by google on the best of twenty twenty awards. I didn't check it out though. I'm yes so. The reface app is an app. Which essentially allows you to take selfie or take a picture of yourself and share the outcome of replacing your face with a celebrities face and come up with some funny Funny outcomes and it allows you to not only save the videos as videos but also animated shifts or gifts depending on your your regional pronunciation so the reface app is one of those apps. That many have jumped on the privacy bandwagon saying. Oh you're just a training some system to recognize me better in the upcoming next regime of evil people. But let's face it is just there for the giggles and it is hilarious. Some of the clips. They get they licensed from celebrities from movies. it's just a a good bit of funding my view and burke jason. I think if you check your email shared some examples of re faces that are available. I've re re faced myself in them and you can pick things like for example the great gatsby or scenes from long vac chilly. Replace your fa- your face at over the one of celebrity that's In in that movie or tv show It's particularly disturbing if you do things like replace your face on on the face of someone like kylie jenner. Who i'm told is not occurred. That's jordan But one of those people the celebrities that i'm not really aware of and it can be quite disturbing so this is me as the great gatsby. Go back oh my gosh. Wow that's really well done well. Similarities gotta say some real good deepfake going on here is that this is this is available as an app if you do more than three or four of the you have to watch ads or you have to pay unlock the premium version to do many many new ones. I'm it's it's quite amusing and it was one of the things that i think. In twenty twenty. We needed to have a smile heavily off. Plus were all locked at home. So this is my face superimposed. Over hugh grant in love actually After die hard. One of the best movies of christmas movies of all time So that's just one example. And this is jennifer thank goodness. Wow this is okay. I got to check this out. Can we go back to love actually for a second. This is totally unrelated to andrew. But but this is. This is one of those things where you know like when you when you buy a new car when you decide you're going to buy a new car and then you look around you see that everybody has that car. This holiday i feel like was one of those years where suddenly everybody had an opinion on love. Actually is this a movie. I really need to see. Maybe we don't talk about it on android show but you you brought it up. Is it a good movie. Because it seems like everybody's talking about it and i've never seen it. It's one of those ones. That i think is quite deep. It makes you realized that there's a lot of people with different back stories that it's everyone is a human being and i think it also shows off some of the best things about The multicultural society we live in the uk. it's one of those films that shoes some ugly realities but it also gives you some good laughs and food for thought as well as having a an open ending and as well as being Being a movie that you too can star in if you put the app reface on your android device awesome. I've happy show that off. I've been meaning to check out that up at the as kylie jenner. Youtube jordan's awesome. Reface is the name of that app. Now miriam yours. Was the app that i referenced as loving to hate so about it i. It's hard like. I didn't think i couldn't think of a really good app. That stood out for me. I'm not a big academic up experimental but if you have to look at the disaster that was twenty twenty you have to say that one up stood out for everyone and that's zoom right. I think that's why i picked it. I think for better for worse has a bunch of issues privacy's being an issue with them and and of course you know The thing that we have to acknowledge though those of us here especially on the show will use skype for everything. I use skype for my podcast as well right so i mean it's type is not easy to use. Skype is not intuitive. Zoom made this pandemic possible in many ways vice versa right. The pandemic needs zoo possible. I think it's we have to acknowledge a fact that accompany just like instagram finally made it easy to upload photos to the internet. I mean sure you know of those of us were photography. Buffs had flicker before that and other things like remember twit pic but i mean ultimately zoom made this super easy for everyone so like and not just within an ecosystem like i o s or apple right but across the board you can give zoom link to someone they click on it. It will automatically install the app if they're on every device if they give it permission to and then they're in business they. I'm on call video call so for like our families that are less tech savvy less early adopter than the people listening to this show. I think that it's been it's been a lifesaver. And i think that people have managed to keep their sanity because for better for so. I figured it was kind of like the app of the year in many ways. You know i. Completely agree is what i love to hate. I knew i don't like it easier that much but i think that you have to give it credit for what it's done for us right in no question. I totally agree. I would say honorable mention to Google meat which was folded into g mail this year at that made sharing links very very easy. It made families be able to keep in touch. Maybe not so much in western markets but in the middle east and asia. Google meets his head a bit of a surge in use see microsoft teams Definitely exact opposite of of zoom or or whatever. It's such a bad up like i just. Oh man. I mean skype honestly. Skype is not that great like we know how to use. So we're comfortable with that. We work with its quirks. Skype is challenging. I guess with my guests. I've obviously all the guests on my show. Our journalists and people intact in the industry. We talk about renewal tech savvy. Stuff a lot of them like when i'm bring up skype. They're just like you kidding. Me and i'm like come on just play along like i know you don't like it just these but it does the thing we needed to do. And those who are clueless. Just send them to a zen zen caster which solves the since. I'm audio only okay. okay. yeah i mean you're right we have to give zoom a whole lot of credit. They took whether whether we feel. The app was designed Well or poorly or whatever. They took something that before. All of this pandemic craziness was a complicated mess for the majority of people and made it a household name bike. there probably. aren't that many people out there. that have any sort of familiar familiarity. Be deep or shallow a technology that haven't done at least a few zoom calls in the last year and probably at this point. Many of those people have done many of them This thing that could have been incredibly complicated is now very easy for the so you gotta give them a whole lot of credit for that and it. It has improved over time. It's just zoom. Exhaustion is real cool. Let's look at a meeting hall i. It doesn't matter what the app is. Just virtual meeting torsion israel right. Yeah absolutely agree. Well wow that was a lot of fun Thank you so much. For hopping on this is a great episode when a little bit longer but i think you know why because we have a lot to talk about. This has been a crazy year twenty twenty. I has been crazy for so many reasons. And actually it turns out The world of android and twenty twenty has been pretty Pretty crazy and good in a lot of ways as well considering all of the hurdles that It has faced along the way so Really just so psyched to get you both on matteo. thank you so much. For hopping on I always have to ask this at the end of your your appearance. What time is it there where you're at right now. it's just coming up to three. Am god but i'm work- i'm i'm i'm transitioning to working north american hours in my new job so this is actually a great. It's a bit of a training and preparing for what's to come in twenty twenty one totally intentional. That's exactly why we brought you on to train for your youtube dot com slash tech. Travel geeks. anything else you want to throw out a plug. This is your your moment. I'm obviously a take trouble. Geeks is my passion. It's what i work on with. Our chief aperture officer liu cash. We've been not been traveling. Much twenty twenty unsurprisingly. But i will say is we've had lots of market dial cases and lots of smartphones to review and lots of accessories that we think will make the travel experience better going forward but also a lot of those Sort of practices. That we used was traveling can be used for working from home or staying in lockdown. So it's great to use all these technology Gadgets and things that we we use to be able to stay in touch with our families using tools like zoom as million was saying and other things to just communicate. Stay in touch and more importantly a communicate. That's that's it so thanks for having me again On all about androids we'll to have you both back on the take trouble geeks podcast soon. Do it sounds like fun. Thank you miguel And i'm happy that we at least got to go transition there today. We didn't leathers those two. There's a very well hidden one earlier. I think you're welcome to burke victor for for sex. 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Giddy Up Podcast Season 2 Episode 8

Giddy Up

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Giddy Up Podcast Season 2 Episode 8

"And welcome to the giddy up podcasts. As two episode i my name is jay and i'm joined by very smooth looking triple world champion donald john. Welcome donny i tell you. It's one of those days where i feel like if i went out in public all would be probably have people asking you fucking wear a mask into my very best mustache full or remember seeriously eats. It's not really do much for we coming up a traitor it can. You can see you on a highly with that. Luca for those who are watching. It live on facebook today. If you're tuning lots of people actually watch on catch up on facebook or you've course you're listening to us on youtube. Bow on it on youtube. That will be next week. You'll listen to his own the podcast. We're gonna apple podcast. What else have we got spotify you. We're pretty much everybody's nice changed a lot by. There's nothing is probably some sort of wi fi. I think that we're on that we don't even know that gadget gobert. We have a tell you what for those who listening in niamey. Well you don yourself you know a love electric's right so there is no big time at us on even black friday their ceos everywhere now rick of course have gone. They've just hijacked bloody retails everywhere. These thing was born intellect and there was pretty much how united everybody gadget software. So i'm having a field day. So you have made shelving every all the credit cards taken a couple of weeks italian and tell me these sort of stuff so given. It's an rt sorta space sort of stuff that you've got instantly. What do you still have to whitelock the punches. And just get a smile. Leave it to you. Some some of the stuff obviously with products you just gotta white for bay delivered but a lot of stuff bound without a few upgrades on the podcast. So there's a few new textile relies sort of background building a couple of new website so we've decided to grab some download stuff nail while we can so it's not totally happening made. It's exciting times. It's been a big week but one thing it's funny talking about all these upgrades and stuff and i say you still trapped in the dungeon might sir market upgrading. Your looking out over the beautiful. We can fennell just milk. The green screen that up god at the moment of course but the office has had a big upgrade. We've got new lighting and And you which. I'm using today to switch all the division like these two one and two spots all menu buttons and everything it's all very flash might so now we could crap about black friday. We'll i could for. But i'm guessing the pun is what some of the we'd wacky stuff that we've got going on Of course and we have a lot of stuff. So let's get into it under full love that that's my favorite little jingle that one wondering about you. Donnie is that what's your favorite all by oregon. The star of the show that just gets beat really unknown and how much detail it when people need the disc. Give me a little not well. I think it's a nod for the national says anything about it on the tiger as a complement. Appreciate it so people on the button. Go your hardest like actually fairly good. And of course if you are listening law i've Started a couple of things for our listeners. Donny so before we get into the segment with the usual stuff. We've got the big wheel again. So we've got a code word donny. People he the code word. What have you got forum tonight. Well might they they yet the sacred cartridge slot taken over the tell es pilot. So what happens when pilot who actually you inside the hyatt and when we site you just go to just jump on the cable sending to the comments. You'll decide paula. And then we'll whack you on the wheel and that spins at the end of the shower. And i'll tell you what we have had some cracking cross. Give it up for the code words and that's been good. Try to calm cheese. They've got some good look. After gets an autumn. Where very county county on these long. You're looking very confident. Of course tall me have it. We got some good gave from tommy. Tommy him have cost of regular sponsors so we go to another great prize again on getting. Keep the honor again tonight. Donnie for selecting the best contributed show can be. It can be a question. It can be giant. We'll keep an eye on. And we will announce that at the end of the show. Donnie bought my final thing. He says a few calls trump rate with his character. All right so now cowan. I sorta get into i. We didn't wacky thing now. Don't you know an animal up and bit aside that i am pretty against our hunting and animal cruelty and all sorts of things. Right side Yep three story. I one of the things i love his win well. People are at hunting at dawson. Quite go to plan. Well gite if i told you about this. You have to heed these. Because if i told you that was i. Yeah well a dea. And a d. had a gun and what would you be thinking. Hold up a d. Had to come well he thinking you to come right so try to why you thinking crocodile sunday. When that kangaroo mcdonagh the kangaroo got under the well these what happened draw. They d hunters. I out hunting hunting hunting on and this chat itself and went stride. These hunters and got spooked. If i have the grab he just lifted up. The alday lifted up the head and the strap of the gown of the twenty two yup got caught on the antlers with and is a gambling took a little talk to the The hunt is had to report it to. Police is reported that to the police and of course it stain at tanya was now eight which is very much. Yes they go looking for. It couldn't find it so there is a d. on the loose with a gun at this touch scared the internet. We're going to have footage this. But of course as go at hunting and violence why it was ever going to be a photo. You but o'neill while donnie we we get the scripps or avenue is analysis and died. Well we've got the scoop Now my video looks like it's frozen. That's awkward side but we do have this group so I'm gonna show you discreet. Roy now have a look at east ready. We guy already. Tony's donis played soda slightly souped up. Not we don't know what you're talking about tony that he's absolutely knife. Fight i shopping on on the twenty two. I i k. Forty-seven good jetty. This fraud. don't wanna hear nothing. I'll look at me buddy fries. We'll get back to me in a second. Probably don't wanna look at me. Anyway on norwich operates attack you pick. I think they'll take the new now I wanted to tell me about tony hawk. These next story he might because well as a famous i again nitra versus humans and well night often has its way what are we. What are we going with me. fantastic this is not minnesota right and there was a guy who was cutting down a tree now of course now metron as on sort of feeling for the trees now again the sometimes trace it'd be hard to fight back. I mean i'm guessing that when you've got to be What do you call them. Saw or electric says how to trace the fly back then it branches and and all that sorta stuff to to hit back with however was. The guy is going minnesota. He was chopping down trees in the backyard. And what does he was dropping. Danny econo- stuff it up in the tree felony and trae falls on you. Yep the one thing you can guarantee. Is that getting back up. So that's right that's right. It's exactly right and so you would think it is going to be a bit of a problem back now by the way it was going to be a bit of a problem now obviously when a tree falls on a human probably not going to end well sometimes but this is a little bit different story. This is thought we had to bring you some footage of these now. Because he's the optima of of what happened. Now you can say to some clothes and bits and pieces and the good news easy. Didn't die where we wouldn't. We wouldn't want to wish ill on anyone but what was unique about the story. Johnnie's took board is to find him holy crap so he was set on jayjay. Go missing for four days. Well he was designed backyard. He lived out in the bush and He'd cut it down and it was only when the sheriff's department was notified that he didn't show up for his teaching job two days in a row that they thought something's not right and i sent someone random property and that's when they found him he was an iraqi war veteran and he'd been surviving of insects plants sweat and some lucky teams from water is coming down for one hundred hours stuck so thankfully he's hands when my ball and he was out of coverage. Hey shit to protect himself from bugs while he was sleeping and stuff so yeah amazing survival story really when you think about it and Yeah it's not bad and said good news He did savant and and nine loss even though you had two broken legs which is I not know amputation. Amputation needed in dot will. He's a photo of him. And this was the accident. That's human nissan which The on the go ahead had the tree Landowners so well so it made a pretty good story survival or like choline chip you come up with a few good ones so yeah cheap. We'll cheap. I wanna in well now now. In russia things things go a little bit crazy sometimes in russia. And that's good. Forty of donnie over the use of some some russian tank. Yeah good tank. Driving a couple of episodes ago but some wallets iraq port. That's right straight through the airport. I had a few little beverages before we jumped in and drove the tranquil tankan through fence. But they're at it again. Doni the russians jace all tend to guy. Doing some research showed that loosely and listen cheat and normally you can find it in russia. What am i. sit over there. Erode flop right to sell it. The the captain cuts encourages. He decided that he is going to cut a lot. Because you know there's always absent stuff so you can track with god's flight tracker app. Yeah and so. He's decided that he would. He will fly. Shape it flowing. Shape sorta okay in a Shall we say lawka mile appendage. It he's literally done the map. Some people have said on jay's if you're off this interest well we probably practical janka luck budget lines. Harry's coakley not fond for chorus so he's just sit public white couple of babies or something might be taping all plot track. And i know. I'll take these hundred passengers and we'll do eleven maneuvers and can shape it up and see what it comes up with well of course if you're if you're watching you get the privilege of a look at these now. If you're listening you just might have to tune in later. But he's the flight pop. Now you can. You can draw your own conclusions of images trying to represent doesn't take a look to work it out. My i love how you go the extra mile for research with avenue and this is put down to a drunk pilot because if you actually read the rest of the story it was in the it was actually it was purchased on. It was on those gesture of public support for soccer star. Who'd been dropped from the russian national team after the leak of a private intimate video. Fake command man looked very similarly him and so they dropped him from the side and everyone was pissed off because he is wanted a good place so the pilot decided to do a little protest in the air. That's that's what was behind the story me saying that it's a little capital. It's nothing to do with that. Old stained theories mugged by the reason fly map of what a lotta people making stained. It's right well. Speaking of making stand on our next stories again in other animals story. Hiba squirrels beautiful out. Cute if you ever watch squirrels little hanes little pool is in the way that they do not very cute chipmunks. Humongous handbook that but Well you know how when you leave stuff in the fridge like pays and that sorta stuff i can from it right and you know what happens when things for minute ride. It becomes alcoholic it. Guess what happens when Said drunk squirrel drinks eight pay. That's being donny. Yeah well you know we we have peace carols and of course i could talk a lot but you just gotta see stuff now. We'll talk through it. He can see one. Eerie body struggling. Stand up for additional tipsy right. He's gone and he's he's gonna comeback comeback he. He's just thinking about his back. He's struggling now. You'd think at that point a guy stop eight and he stuff and on. This is really going well. He's listening to decide kidding. The the forty dry. Let's see how much stuff it. I'm still going for these. This is agree. Yes drunk drunks girls. We could watch that for hours up buddy love that you've got me when you say squirrels acute all that's cool now continuing with their animal fats. And all these things we just about every week because i just provide entertainment right so With this one well going. It's hard to put this into words right but this guy in thailand. Nothing's being toughing toyland. Obviously and we've got a couple of our regular listeners. Coming from thailand. So get i showed out to you guys. They're listening. But the monkees donny. Being non they've been having a hard time. You know tourists down to the way we talked about it mean. The buddy cuts made slave slave labor and jt. Well someone decided that we need to do something. Good for these monkeys on because it's such a hard time and he thought well you know what music can be great for simony things. Why not play some classical music for the monkeys. That are at a temple as a way to calm them down. Because i'm getting a little bit out of hand. Monkeys are gonna be crazy like a tourist and lack of food and stuff so this guy is decided that he would go out and save the world. Now we've got to be the video here and look at how these guys giannis is What's this guy really really where monkeys every guy so you can say. He is playing a few monkeys have come to watch their ryan joined the show. So isn't it. Beautiful malcolm play the pot of it too much got. That's very well they turn the pipes for. Isn't that very hopeful so beautiful little monkeys now. That's really cute. And that's the guy's nuts but he's actually been doing quite a while and it turns out that pertain knees. He's been going through an elephant sanctuary and doing the same thing for elephants as a way to calm them down and hopefully he's thinking was that that would that would appreciate the classical music so i would a guy. He's just there just doing anything just trying to help. The animals feel better. Why nobody here are the wake at these rights. I tell you actually thought about that in Funny come from branko because Those monkeys stolen and everyone else. He's bena thailand. You go to hang onto your body. Five a siamese bali's doubt distracting peak peak wallet recognise hip if he kept plying down the monkeys would have worked at had. A scam it. I'm sure because they're pretty smart little buggers now. I came home with again with animals again. Now it's not always animals used for good things and in japan. They locked to do things a little bit. Different ivory japan. Think well the good thing for wiles and stuff. Simpson um Pandas as low as we're gonna talk about pandas very shortly but the centenos out. They have a few problems with bays ivory japan with the base. Jack appear on the show last week. We'd and as a stunt coming to the neighborhoods and obviously you know in humans. Probably not a good mix and while if you should have said you know what we need to do something about this. And so what they've done is they've They've done something about it. Just want to show you a clip here about the amazing solution. Got some footage. Got some pretty stunning. Believe it's With my friend is a robot wolf. It's been used to scare the is away and it comes with lots of different noises about sixty different sounds. They've loaded into it and it's actually called the hurry critic nine the munster wolf. They've decided to call it a monster monster wolf and basically it's incredible in it and i'm not saying any basement. Don't put the running away because they've done these. They've actually lowered it. We've we've what do you call it. We've what's would motion detection so it's actually since when a bay comes near and then it flies up and guys who it's It's pretty buddy impressive. I'm going to get back to scramble completely stuff that my in my video. So completed bugging everything up on the camera. Just tape some bloody going on Doesn't cameras yeah yeah yeah. I'm fixed that. The people have asian motion detection. That's just that's it means that the base becoming immune to it and so they very very might very very clever and yeah on hotel. Now you did mention of course Pandas mate well. The paint is tayo wise fascinated. The how people are coping with covid and if anyone's going to be coating with carbon it's Well it's paints 'cause i lost to do and There's a restaurant full of bloody pain. This guy talking to join flying might well. Everyone loves pandas and And so basically these going in germany's society you know. These whole pandemic getting the link penned up and he took so he's he's just going. You know what. Plenty to make the most of these things. And i'm gonna wipe panda restaurant. So this is what he's come up with. This is literally a restaurant very cute. He's he's just bought always handed and set them at the tables and it is now a pandering because he can't open so he thought bubble so he's he's little protest having a a pander restaurant. It looks like a couple of scott sundays on a lot. It's a wreck. And he if he was really smart he they regard couple having a call one. Yeah that's awesome and you could easily imagine a restaurant to how many different characters that i would say comfort and being able to create that painter into a accused the peace. He's absolutely absolutely like it. That's it and word on street. He's leading the lots on twenty four seven so he just exactly right. It's what we love to say so now the last thing we want to leave now we'd recommend wonderful segment on. We'll just put a smile on your dr we these footage of a Oh well let's say a dog having a good time and don't we all love dogs. They're having a good time right. Well what's not to like about a dog having a good talent. What's the there anyone having good now. What i want to say because when you say dope having tolan hondo shopping your store and a special thanks to the one spot one so here we go and she got these little doggy. He's just going up the stays as you can see and he's going up to the top of a big slide. Don't even go having a bony. Think be cruel of forty. He doesn't want to do that or yes he does because he's going back again and say i am going up again. Got jumping up this days. That's appetizing wiz. That i have no idea. Is it actually a or is it a humans in his office on this audit. It was just for him. So yeah cute little guys. I think stanford's sending that anyone else as any great footage make sure sent into us now because We will of course give it a bit of a run and this is promises to jacksonville happens. Might on the shot in very very very true or aren't well. It's that time. Tony when we take it awake stuff. We've often just sorta taken out of eubank. Geeky what you've done is you've actually chinese laws. Given real gripe advice tips except for that bloody double tap on the back eah find one off still got four point. six million can change it to triple. Don't you can change it to triple tap. That might cata town. If you're doing it accidentally these this was sort of interesting in a couple of ways. It's well moniker software. Look apple person as chance to smash microsoft. I'm gonna take it. And he's won a free short they've come up with these new in kota productivity scored. Now i'm just going to play the video. It's only thirty second video aside. I'm just sort of set. The scene a little bit for every run solemness place starts with being aware of how your organization works and how technology is enabling productivity and in a world of digital. Everything is just isn't. It's job any longer. It's everyone's job so today. Many organizations have individuals or teams dedicated to helping people leverage technology to make it easier to get work done and productivity score is a tool it gives them one place for end to end visibly includes insights peer benchmarks and actions. They can take to help the people there organization being more productive pretty exciting stuff probably gonna out. What the hell does all that don. In short basically what they've got his productivity school with the analyzing how people using the teams video chat chat and messaging services and trying to determine how productive meeting is right and the idea is can they can sorta got. Yeah we can say that x amount of people tuned in to this particular meeting ecstatic messages. Were saying this is how many times someone logged into their calendar. And all that of stuff right. So it's big picture if you like looking at productivity and and straight away at that point you look enough like that but but what i really wanted to bring to the attention of allison's donors they've gone one step food and they have. They've logged painted something. They calling overall quality scores for meetings. And i'll just happened to get my hands on the actual paintings and self and i'm going to put this up on screen here and we'll talk through people if you just listening to this. Basically what it does is. It's a mating inside computing system. So what it's doing through cameras and senses in a meeting room what it's doing looking. It's looking at data such as body language facial expressions room temperature time of day. How many people are in the meeting etc and it's also looking in. He's killa at looking at how much participant contributes to meeting verses performing other tasks. Aj texting checking emails or browsing the internet so basically now using all the senses and it started to find out what you're actually paying attention or you're actually sitting in the meeting and you just actually your find it takes in you might so something so that is What is coming to a meeting needs starts with me. I am coming to a meeting new. Donny what are you recognise at something. You're you're full Shit john tell you as a leader of a small that i work with. And what if i can't read the play and engage that core and get them to contribute. They shouldn't be buddy leading the yvonne eight some donkey kong told. Tell me what's happening in the word. Then you might be. This'll be awesome for people that Visually in paid in the council. They can't heal the comprehension of but apart from that bite off. Just think it's some flunk trona justifies existence in the it because y two case goal. So there's nothing to scare people about side. They give these crap around not digit. Yeah i'm with you don't like it at all and go to say some of the comments coming through. I think you got a lot of support on that one. So you don so soft soft with that technology. We don't want it. I think he's the message loud and clear. Now this is where adonia. I'll get very excited. I get my hand on the mute button and because this is where we throw it all about denise picket awake whole j. A you done have to be on tonight. I'll have enough set it on multiple occasions to non-negotiables abused women and abused. Children are across the road to intervene. It might have absolutely nothing to do with me when i say that. I've always been a believer that the behavioral passes the behind. You accept what. I've absolutely vain delighted about the los stood up saying the pakistani national anthem. Except bod don now. It was when i say name. Ron com former legendary cricket. Who's now the pm of pakistan. Who has recently chines or accepted the fact that there's going to be law. Changes against ripeness and pedal falls in pakistan. And soon as a he think to myself you bloody ripa. you know. somebody's mike staines. Somebody in a position to be able to have any influence. Not just a couple of math places in a podcast got an opinion and happy to share but somebody in a political position and so much so that these the stained and the new laws the critical ordinance that they've brought in which is going to create a law will mean that ripest and pedophile hs will be chemically castrate. It saw the basically gonna be injected that because the blades that it's a it's a problem that can control so the standard time. Well with you gotta do that. This is going to be punishment and pakistan. Have a big problem. Niger it's not. It's not a sacred. They've had some high profile cases. Where this between gripes and gang wipes and abuse of children and and the enough's enough and they're putting down there and back in a little so could not be happier when a great stuff like that. I think to myself that pakistan typically right highly on the around the world in terms of how they looked after the they women and children on the gender gap index around on the world economic forum. But a what they won fifty one of one fifty six. It's not good. Only behind iraq and yemen might the fact that they might miss stand says to me that it pushes them rod up to and says that he's good and i hope i hope other countries That incite stop making excuses and start cooling bullshit on bullshit and doing something about it. So that he's thing hopefully haven't been neutered this week because that is something that the will shoot he added. Pakistan is making a decision. Might absolutely very very well said well. Researched doni oregon. And he's almost your best one yet. You've you're pulled one out of the bag. I love it right sticky there for each. It some that's only that one. Donnie fueling depression. Jt's well donnie owner to talk about something to really well. It'd be out of the blue and i thought it was actually good opportunity for discussion because i know you had a big wake up in sydney. Getting your getting new lake right now. It's been a long time coming so our first question to you in my segment is how is the new lake. What's interesting this is a way wants. Go to carve story well. So ron before lockdown. Our went to cd and got a new lake started. And what happens when you get a leggings. I take a constantly lake. And i do cry and then with that at its core tests soccer and you go why for a couple of weeks and then you come back and you tell. It's a little bit so he can. We just modify that. And i just lemonade it up and give you the end results. Unfortunately they all walked away with it. Went into lockdown and then of course like most people drink tonight why two months just chopping somewhat Ended up causing a lot of time in didn't anymore of going up and we started a new on somewhat trip. So far has been great. I'm going back with beautiful broadening kaplowitz and we'll get it finished off before had a chance to chubby up anymore. So i circled good incentive to chubby outlet. yes absolutely. that's the nature of well a lot of people don't understand he's with the prosthetic cd's absolutely a big impact. If you do lose weight or put on might right because for the rest of us we go. Oh shit. I'm gonna have to buy an extra large or execs l. instead but for you. It's she don't need new body pot. Jt and i think for me when i think about think to myself if it's just replacing the lake on lucky because you know on not for you for example you'll you'll bank through the wall but for you to reply something we'll have china you got to have surgery might are the five year of needles so the thought of having surgery is the crap out of me but are now. You've got a sitting you last week. We're going to talk about it last night. Missed it so tell me. What's the outcome. me of opening battling For probably about four years. I think i was lucky. Enough to keep playing forty up until sort of full forty. Three forty four was unfortunately one died. Nick and at that point we had scans in pretty much told. That's the end of you. Sports at that moment literally retire instantly and given the damage to my neck. I was not able to go to gym exercise or whatever it was like painted a pretty greenpeace. Churn from a who's always fight sport my whole life and my whole career is pretty guarded by it and You know being being sort of many way back into some reasonable shape in detect a couple of months off slowly started getting backing the things but over the last three four five six months. I've just been getting some crack and headaches and nick pine and stuff. Even when i'm not doing anything and previously on you pushing it it'd be too and back off often everything and settled down but it was just getting worse and worse i had done last week and it sort of confirmed i guess what the inevitable was going to happen and It's beyond the point of number ten at the state. So i need a full disk replacement in my neck So not ideal at forty eight years of forty eight years old but Anyway the good news is the prognosis. Pretty good when i do it Out of action for a little bit obviously But then you actually you want need another. I literally take the all that stuff. Then put it in with a Effect essentially once it all. Settles down you should be good guy. We'll tell you when you first told me that story. You see sheet of might only because always welcome back. Mike may come back. And doing plying beata moss as an you tell me that nick nothing suck it up princess comply with and now you're telling me they got to replace it. Feels like a real all right ever given up yet. So i'm wanting to take a couple of weeks off just up so a meeting with a surge on On thursday said we'll find the deitz. So i'm not sure to be honest with you. Know as soon as possible or not but what the trigger was without getting too dramatic of started to lose feeling in my my thumbs a and that was one of the show signs that getting some serious damage now and the binds collapsing onto the nerves. Selling it worth so. I don't relieve that pressure oatmeal lose all sensation in thumbs which is not ideal so so i said it needs to be done sooner than later if they can do it in a couple of weeks. Obviously if it's after christmas whatever. Ibm so anyway it's gonna jt. I love it when i hear people talk losing sensation in tom. 'cause looking thumb sucking up for insist all series decide. That's how it's a hell of an action and the chats lead up pay clo- generally sending their love. It's not buddy could that you're in any time it's never been runs in pine but obviously i speak on behalf of a lot of people would say we hope you have a speedy recovery and when i say we as in may because we've got a podcast do so you'd better get that sheet sword real. I don't want to wake up for that. It learn more when i meet with this age and obviously on praised iran recovery times and all that sorta stuff so actions in some look. I've been coming from the back and scowl. Mma back of had some k hall said you poppy near and work magic and get out again. What's what happens with next feature even wanna up. We'll just say they actually go through the front believe it or not for the separation so Yeah i'll have a nice little scar the front of my nick on but apparently it's only a few cinema saudis done through ko essentially So it's all done through there and hopefully allow him. We'll be good then. Morgan agent those thursday. But for now that's sort of the advice of giving and and as i said the rehab is actually from from what i understand it. This point is actually pretty good in hospital for a couple of days and then obviously you got some rehab and recovery to be on that but yeah it's it's amazing what they can do these days. We the chaos not sort of stuff so anyway nothing crap and on what are tracking army later on and off site whole. That's exactly but the one thing i wanted to just You know. I'm happy to share these without with at least as we go through these. Just the extraordinary book that he's health system and public versus private and the out of pocket cost that you again aware for forgoing private now. I'm got private health insurance and and the paper these the people that do right. So they're the top of the food giant says the surge inside just my initial consult which is next week which will probably be twenty minute chat out of pocket three hundred and fifty bucks just for the just for the twenty minute chat little this adrian the so we might be studying at gofundme page. He's how we can do this. So listen i look. I'm we'll get the money whispering. I'm pretty sure it gives them advice. Had to get through these. I think scotches re interesting opens out so we'll keep everyone posted so anyway that was On us for this week and we'll we'll keep you posted on that and We'll now we want to get into well donnie. It's out bizarre. New segment and i love this stuff goes on now the The first story is well obviously The great sauk plan maradonna pasta way during the week which is obviously very tragic. Young and Yeah you know. There's obviously sadness right across argentina and the wider community obviously giving that much of an icon in the sport. But those three funeral wick is donny. And you never lock. How these stories gonna guard maradona. Three funeral wicker's. What can i do of gotta tena says i took shelf course i did but i take it. You don't understand these maradona other. These this is the last time you get a chance to get each just go. To wonder vets the intelligence some and they'll look again that if you're funeral having hey what's a what's a so. What's the little selfie. Who's gonna but did i posted like seriously you dumb a cell we. There's another you know what we've always said that. The greatest ninety two reputation is a camera. It's not actually behavior. Plenty gets caught a gone and take off now take and so that would have gone. I would've loved it would off. Yeah well if you if you think of love as in-depth threat and you know the name. Yeah they loved it. Obviously a lot of people felt that it was well. Let's say fairly inappropriate now. Obviously it has been removed from the internet philly recklessly. But i have actually seen the photo. And i'm not going to share it because i just think it's inappropriate But you just gotta wonder about the intelligence some people to do that. She yeah i it's it's a different thing. Isn't it when you think about having been hostile. Something that's intimate. Death is one of those things that honestly oddest stuff around with it. There the respect and giving these guys clearly god on so many levels aric in basic policy. That selfie is Ones up the last ones that i talked to be on. 'cause wasn't none i really didn't But onto something combat law twenty one. I'm just play these little video and talk through it for the ice. You can see it but some this is adding us southeastern utah. And they've come across these metal or that's about four meters heart is in the middle of the desert so you can see how these eight with a couple of people just walking around it now. People go what the hell is these big middle object doing in the middle of the desert which is a big question to Now wanna rule out straightaway it. He's not alien or do so. It's clearly a man made object but no one knows why it's there wanted doing the it was found by helicopter they just saw something reflecting in the the The surveillance the hell's that winning had a look and sure enough. He's big shiny mental thing. It's start it's got to the bottom of unlucky not not this not this date shum. But what's interesting. They haven't revealed the exact location because obviously they don't want people trying to get there and then getting lost and rescue them so they're not saying where it is. But i love how authority just have to stamp the stuff over these don because the the us bureau of land management is investing. Hello it's been there. Who done it blah blah blah. But they should remind her on. Twitter said using occupying developing the public. Land's or they resources without a required authorization is illegal. I met a witch planet. You from we talked about some. Just avoid. There exists really. Did you have to try to make it funny when no matter which plenty of from come on guys seriously and we just got a message from sarah. One of allison's just say that trump tweeted something on the lines of he was very sad to hear of maradona's death and that he listened to her music in the eighties. Uh-huh yeah we we like. We like that one. It's very good all right. So we're getting now not change. Don't need to go back in time. And i like i'm back in time because we've always got some good stories about history when we do the stone. Of course we will now immune once upon a time. Now i'm going to start off with just something more on the primary donnie. Because you don the moustache very nicely there helping rice right away innocent support you lock it. I didn't read it did. It didn't even know i did had it scripted. And i'm wondering you you. I find it very special cup. This is true stories from the victorian era back back in the day and this is actually a moustache cup. Oh so what it was it was it was there to protect the moustache so you can have a drink and you could protect the moustache. Well you need one of the thoughts. I don't know if you could comfortably drink out of that giant tate paula. It fly around the top of never looked where two lane but look. Is it just a a gimmicky thing. People actually genuinely houston. Because i didn't want to get coffee. You're frost or whatever in You know in in their In on amazon makes good sense. Because this is what thinking pinched os or wake of ain't doing this. It's like i've done any thinking i figured. Is this going next week so soon. I'm gonna need i am. I'll get a native cop with a bloody hand bus veranda guy that's quality raw astro would be you know what that is why. She's one of our multiple women. She just smart that now the other rum beating history. I wanna bring back. He's he's a little story about these kia. Oh that looks like gab. Morgan freight wealth. The nine stay morgan. Famous just look down a little bit important message. Thirty seven morgan freeman. But some just thought was quite interesting story so back in colonial america. Slaves win nick freedom through lawsuits and why there was a low chance of succeeding. Winning in court meant that the slave was now a citizen but seen slaves often didn't have last names and you needed a last name to be sita. Citizen are often just given the last name of you guessed it freeman. Jace is that but these true story. So i actually did some research back in In his seat street. And yeah he's great great grandfather and grandmother and everything slice so that's how originated so they got the name freeman that i'll tell you another story about Sued is from indian tribes one other toll of finger in the sense of wrong. I tell you. I tell you what are just challenge you here. Now give me a bid a new right. His voice than morgan for isn't it. I love his voice. He he could do anything and we've had him on the show before recently commentating on some stuff he could commentate everything him and of course What does dive and brother. They obviously the the to the two that just seem to nail it every single time right. Just beautiful this new now donny. I'm gonna throw the mock you might because this is a segment for the all things down on mongering j. Tell you what you You hit it on the head before when you say banning sydney awake the one thing. You can't do when you got to get a new lake it. You can't not say the buddy opera house and the hobby bridge. It's a plenty also now. It's stop and that's all wise book the window sage. I tell you. On the chance. That i could just have a little sneaky though and i must have beat before What was that september eleventh before you things all changed. It was quite toll jumped on the plane and the pilots had high. Might wanna sit up the front and the only told me that we flew in a. We took off over sydney and without doubt they fuse over saying more entire off was from the copy. Either cd guest spotty fantastic. A few paralympian scored only and so it was a bit of a key. Saw the bridge. And honestly i mean it's nicknamed the coathanger. It looks a bit lock. That sharp is law and not put new year's at bloody move. I works and you could possibly to get. But it's beautiful. And i thought i'll do research on the bridge and all four nanometer because we spoke about the west gate bridge and the anniversary of the fiftieth anniversary of that. A few weeks back until you get on that night. All feet of a squeeze at the at the sydney harbour bridge near jt in nineteen twenty six. The bridge began construction. Helen you reckon it took jiji wendy record. Speech was fair building so often i would have been on ten twenty years. Maybe well the foundations was did nora. In twenty-six on the actual construction began the arches began in non and twenty nine and it was built in house and you jotted you know the the luna park where it was built was actually constructed. They and then. I put it together and Onslaught as pretty impressive and that was all wrapped up on the nineteenth of nine. Thirty two and jt. What you'd have a bit of a step at these In those days we'll still it was Was it beat expensive. Bill to breach what he reckon cost. He's on the back nine. Obviously with inflation and gordon is well audit. I may twenty mule back then tonight probably more. That's only bridges stuff and what we take. The real talk about. These was that eat was paid off. So we think of investments in pine from cells in nineteen ninety eight. It was a wept up the initial for car with sixpence. And which is five. Since and the rod. I was straight two cents. So you gotta us buddy. Denominations net is pretty impressive and they still use the yet. The tunnel costs a cost the bridges stray box and they're now using that to To build the tunnel when let us that built the tunnel impressive more than one hundred and fifty thousand vehicles cross a bridge every day and up until that was built the only way you could give it to the north saw it was either a a fairy or there was a twelve bridge crossing further up the up the river so might pretty impressive structure and honestly. Jt if you haven't done can't recall if you have but if you haven't it's well worth the column it's a beautiful view anytime die alone. Near the first time i went got the outdoor twosies a disabled man. Jump up the bridge and then by the time on sort disgusted. Pasta taste had thought soland on the wool. Signed on debris such anyway. It was a must be. I think one of the things that most people around the world would now apart from knees eight was of course mandate from paul hogan of course he was original painter. Talk before as well absolutely End up went on to bigger and better things. I'll actually go find a donnie. You've the bridge as it was being built. So he's a very famous some part that was just before they Just before they joined the arches and put the riot and everything down but that was nineteen thirty. July nineteen thirty light. A tell you what is kind of balls of steel. Wouldn't have eight. He just like. That's pretty plenty all night so well. That's goodbye to the guy that stat under for these white men might very good sigmund. Tony's you've pulled one out of the bag to know you need to go away to see any more often. This incredible funny looking forward is the most sydney stories on antoni. This is a story that you. He's just unbelievable court to be quite honest And i'm not gonna do it. Justice on ny but attained in the united states is literally defied all odds by surviving a horrific forklift accident and he literally required the lower half of his body to be amputated so he was driving across a bridge. Any feed off plummeted. Fifth thing made his down and was pinned to the ground. Beneath the four ton equal and he recalls being conscious the entire time as he looked down and he says be graphic. I'm not showing anything But he said he looked down and remember saying that he's right harm had exploded and everything below he's heaps was completely squashed and i made a very bright decision and he was conscious to let medics perform what he's kota haymo corporate to me that something can never want way. Everything below. His waist was amputated to save his life. Might that's at some point you ask yourself you know what sort of law gonna have and i'm watching it literally just been amputated wrought nail knowing that it's going change that scene credible giant is incredible and he was told doctors told his girlfriend that he wouldn't have all she said goodbye seeks times and i just didn't think he was literally going to pull through The good news is donnie. He did pull through and they've been together for eighteen months and actually got engaged. A great story. Tim's of the couple. I'm gonna put a photo op here and if you're beat squeamish look away. This is not at the accident is post the accident. Just want to show you how mazing this guy is. He's a he's a photo of lauren. Nineteen i should say and you can say they're in the fight on the left. How he's literally had no legs been removed waste. He lost his right arm as well below the elbow and luckily he was able to hang onto his left hand. And you can save doing the rehab there on the right. You know where. He's got to fight calm now and a huge amount of rehab. So it's pretty much just an incredible story and then now Documenting it on youtube channel. I should say so him. And his girlfriend's siberia and loren l. In youtube channel seven interested in learning more and and listening and getting a little beating. I think to be honest. Because he's having a rough day. Just think someone like these who life literally changed in that moment and yet he's still still out there having a crack and doing everything so Just amazing run that it just really comes down to the l. true strengths humans. He's not in the body parts. Might it's own between and it's flooding awesome when people homicide and they're able to deal with whatever is thrown their y. Buddy amputations anything at all. And i mean clearly looking go i you just got every right just decide good ball. One is six times and check out all pretty sure. Close enough. those bits merck pfizer. He's he's not. They're lying in self. Pretty body couponing crackling phone plight. Thought it was definitely with. David locke and speaking is definitely worthy of shout out and as i say jump on his youtube channel coding credible he's actually filmed a lot of. He's he's joni or he's rehab center and just to say what he's going through and as well about the phantom pine around pint and his legs there and how they're trying to deal with that and a whole bunch of little obviously all the psychological trauma i guess. They've gone through something like that. Just amazing the strength of character if someone that was just thrust upon a nineteen year old. Now he's he's responded to pretty incredible skill for into that's a soda. Stop mike when when paperweights hurdle but it bloody is now because there is no doubt in my mind. Her loss is largely going to be altered her her destination. He's all with him now. That's funny guy and you get to say you hear linda from here on the channel as well so different card you to cheating all right now for something. Of course we need something donating. Just put a small and that joke or have come to or always question. Do you have to go for some real twenty very family in saif kitties iron tonight we. We're we're good. We are good Yeah there's nothing to do. Just want to say i'm just going to start off with a We just want do a quick one of course but a total is crossing the road and he gets mugged by two snails so again a turtle. He's crossing the road when he gets mugged by two styles and when the police show i might what happened and the shake into it or against on an. I just happened so fast. There's a there's a classic data. But now i'm a blind man vs texas and You know texas he's made. Everything's bigger in texas on so he gets to his hotel room and he feels the band. He's wow this is so big and the bellhop guys. everything's everything's being in texas as well so the blind man heads downstairs to the bar settles into a huge basel. Any orders beer mugs place between his hands. He's like well. These drinks so be and the bartenders lost. Well everything's being texas so after downing a few the blind man says we'll make is the bathroom. The buttons is sick and door to the riott so the blind man heads for the bathroom but accidentally into the the door now. The dole aides to the swimming pool on any goals in yeah now popping head out from under the water. He's flatly exams. Ready shouts plus thank plus. So you now have to leave you with one more on. Because i want to talk about one third bonus because all i love frenzy in thailand. We love the monks over there. Although controversial story that will have more next week about the monks. Stay tuned for that one. But every every ten years down. The monks in the monastery allowed to break the vow of silence to speak to woods so ten years guy and it's one monks i chance and he thinks second before saying food bad enough made a statement released two words. Yeah put a lot of foreign that. That's right well. Ten years lighted. He says big derives again. He says bed hard fair enough. Yeah foods bad bids on anyway. Big day comes around. It's a decade lighter and he gives the head monk along and you just comes out with a two ways. I quit the head. Monk is all not body surprised. You've been complaining since you over sticking out the better. I'm not really. I'm not really sure. Let the listeners. Tell us what we love putting a smile on the ground. so hopefully. that's done that for you now. of course we're gonna couple of segments to go and we got the money we spurs team. Now we've got a very funny media. What's coming up as well decayed of the week. What get a little bit of a run and then of course donna. You've got a fantastic fleeing that tom looking forward to getting to my device into the papal again so anyway let's give the money it's the money. Spur he with you. Weekly update on all things. Money and finance spoken a lot bet The property market in the last few weeks and All the songs continue to point to a beak property boom the next outing monster twenty eight twenty four months between governments reduce dame judi up two million dollar purchases which is interesting. The results from the auctions yesterday already suggests that people are spending more to save that Extra shame judy because By giving them a free kick to pie hoffa process. Ifa property is. That's just the basically free money in terms of equity so if you're looking to downgrade in the next couple years and it's probably best to white either mansell salman you lock to get a very good premium on your property after that we could be in some trouble bat. Knicks died eighteen months to twenty four months very very positive about the destroy property market especially re responsible lending rules lucky to as up in march which has been a big block people. Accessing funds spoke briefly back cryptocurrency in the past. I'm a massive believe that it's the future If you've had a a kid in the last year to the and you've been given money to put away opening a bank or whatever you could do a lot worse instead of taking half a percent interest whatever these just spin boss and be going. Put away the code in a draw for until the kittens twenty one and then handed over and i may well be able to buy a house with It could do anything anyway. All good and i will speak to you next week. Jeez i always got some great tips. Stony will you and i've had a bit dabble in the cryptocurrency. And we loaded well right we. We thought the money whispers voss give it twenty one years promote because we've sorta had to beaver well. We're enjoying the roller coaster that sat crypto. We we've actually rallied backed on last week but we're We're backing we're back in business. That's tonight. Bitcoin actually hit its highest ever australian right and kids. You thought it was down to six thousand dollars. Australian back in march and it was a twenty five thousand dollars las week. Sorry jiji bombing and it was with seeks grand back in march and it was twenty five thousand dollars last week so if you bought one the seeks grand in march or half of one whatever it was doesn't really matter it's going from seeks to twenty five thousand dollars since much he's jay other video haven't faint chicken why cryptocurrency of note look to the portfolio because always sort of things really slowing filmings. How does dan walkaway anyway. Just want overlooked I'm thankful it's going to pay from coming to think so Happy nice now. We're gonna talk about tonight. But i'm going to give you a heads off because already run into light so but we're talking about evidence next week. I'm going want to say about paid evans and always lease a lot happening. We pay off. Sorta dug a little bit. Deeper is a lot to do. All have all that information nicks one. I want to get people now. He's just another beautiful loft because Well donnie this is when we getting into our media watch segment now. You know we've media watch. He's the logo. Yeah we just trying to find some funny clips of stuff going on now. Admittedly a bit of a visual. But it's a quick one and you timing. Is everything donny. Comedy and tommy's everything in life and doni on now. You love your christmas. Lots and it's a big moment. He's dominique invited run randy ago. These big reveal. I'm gonna put this week join and boom the lots common. Well you know when you do that in public deal got be plunger and you want to push down and lots come on. And it's all very spectacular. Isn't it tone yes. Well let's go. let's have a look this way. Don't he had one job on each one job so again. If you're listening to the podcast habits as probably jump back on to say but at that high tea that's pretty good lord of standard. I got two days to get smacked pull up and pledge to the to the punches of more surrounds is get passmore has at some point. Because i think he's been shaky at all. I'm going to put on a held guys. Don't we want to hear. And i'm sure that is. It can't make leaving decide or overseas. We will bring video to you guys on the and trust me. It'll be with saying donny. Let's say he's he's got griswold blood. So yeah right now. Course i've gonna big be coming up soon but danica thought we give you all people out final thing. We love hearing inspiration for the week ahead gye before getting into my phone fling wanted. Just give you the single pace. We've talked a lot about the impacts of paypal. And i had the good fortune of my sisters to get up to my sister's place and surprise my mom over the weekend and we have had just a couple of cracking dies and the reason it was so glad he special east because it just seemed like yes. That is a long time ago last public keys. He's mom was going through a fait y k. Mart and doing it pretty hard and we were you know running that roller coaster with their as much as i say that nobody does as much the person going through it but Twohey mom tell me over the weekend when we will fight to feis here at. Tell me that she's going to get a neat sorted. Had during on college to at about what sort of treatment you begala tour and night said lucky tones of cancer medicines and stuff like that and and when he came back and said. We're not expecting you to nate anymore treatment choosing remission so when you hear that sort of stuff it it just seriously turns on its head as she is at spain in a heartbeat lie was just tuned. Something awesome sorry so glad moms in remission and and national have little flash alternate get that sorted should be absolutely flying and it brings me to this point about. What do we do when we when we heat with a setback and the greatest thing that we can do. In my honest opinion is to use that to our advantage that same silly decide that we could use carver twelve advantage but the truth these wrought. Now we're in a situation that we don't have to go back to the all wise we can forget about bouncing back and opportunity right now is for us to bounce forward to to create the path that we want to to use covid as a lawn in the same locked as a lawn in santa tyrod from now on of not bisness why of not been a haggar of not paying somebody who's put my hand up and use my voice hoping vocal of not change or charged into an area that want to working but wrought now going forward that's what i'm gonna do if carpets given us one thing. It's reminded us at. Tom can be taken away from us in a heartbeat. So my advice is when we get to present think about where you want to go and instead of bouncing back bounce fullwood to not and as if any time we can change the direction of loss. It's advice these. Let's do it now. Let's use these taller to hate on a new path. If that's what you wanna do if you lost white for new year's resolution do it when you decide who you want to be an so on of fling east doug bounce back but bounce for would might love that i love it Th- we give you a forum to actually help others and you know. Obviously your motivation. Speaking been doing it for a long time. And i think somebody you stories and the way you tell him Aplenty awesome and if we can get that jet more people in you know happy that we're doing a bloody good job so are excellent advice. My friend and well. It's come time for the big wheels spin now. This be interesting. Because i didn't keep up the scoring side. Just bear with me there. We go actually roy for once. We've got everyone lighting. Might so i'm just going to click on bahia. Good luck to everyone who is on the wheel and we clicking away. She's spinning jay. Thank you so much for the people that have written and said great news for mom. It's fantastic scott around sharon. Sharon has snatched it from any congratulations. Sharon you've got yourself a hundred and fifty dollars trading dot com just so Body awesome well done and donny. Of course we give you the responsibility coming out with best contributor for the not so it's time to announce weena four tonight donovan before you do that. Why you're that suspense. If you haven't already make sure you guys get on buddy lock pike so it's just tossed on facebook and just make sure you lock that page share with friends. That'd be awesome. And next week. If shooting i can work it out. We'll also have streaming live on youtube as of next week as well so live streaming on facebook and on youtube so hopefully gets us out to that bigger audiences about jt. That's all we wrought here now. That will be back on sunday next week. Said it will work for that. We'll we'll let you know when we might be sunday but if it's different honey who's doing a long hard through all the comments snow. There's been a few crackers. Aaron and we love it when jay says something funny. Feed lasts on there and stuff like that which is great but honestly contributor of the not goes to sarah with her Coleman of that tweet the tweet from trump about maradona's music back in the sarah url of the thomann voucher. so thank you everybody grandchildren. Well done well done. That's bloody griped. It's awesome that you're paying attention and you bring that to the podcast. Well he's absolutely amazing. So let's all we've got time for. It's not going to say my face anymore. Because stuff video donnie. And that's really all that is so thank you everyone.

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011 - [LIVE taping] Justin Baldoni (Actor, Director and Filmmaker)

The Good Parts with Andy Grammer

1:36:39 hr | 2 years ago

011 - [LIVE taping] Justin Baldoni (Actor, Director and Filmmaker)

"Hey, Andy grammer here. And you are listening to the good parts podcast. Xiaomi? Good. Good parts episode. Number eleven guys is really fun. This is my one of my best friends in the world. Justin, bell Doni P is Rafael on Jane the virgin, plus a director of new movie coming out called five depart. You're gonna love this episode. It's also cool because we did it as a live podcast episode. So we had a bunch of fans come to the hotel cafe in Los Angeles. And we did it in front of an audience, and that was a whole different experience. So I hope you present it it will be filmed, and you can go check it out on YouTube. I don't know if we'll put up on Facebook too. But we're going to start filming all these podcasts. So you guys can see our facial reactions as out as I like that sometimes too sometimes like listen to podcast and other times, it's fun. Just pull it up on YouTube and watch two people. So that's coming soon. And it should be out today. Actually. So look forward if you I'm sure if you look on YouTube, the good parts podcast, Andy grammer, Justin bell Doni. It'll come up. We get into a lot of awesome stuff. My favorite is his description of life after death, which is pretty awesome. So look out for that. What else we got here? It's really really sweet to sit down with not just with someone that I. Respect and 'em inspired by. But also was like, my roommate, and where my closest friends is kind of a longer episode going to be honest because at the very end we actually did a question answer with the crowd, and they asked that only Justin questions ask me questions too. So this is a longer running one. I think it's worth it. I think he'll dig it. And. Hopefully, I'm going to do these live podcast, not only in Los Angeles. So be on the lookout guys. And it's so fun to do this. I'm having such a good time. So here we are get into it. Episode eleven Justin Doni. First of all, we just got this nine Huckle is the sign. I'm like really excited about the sign. Hey, man. How are you? Hey, dude. I feel like we're really good friends. But I haven't had a good long chat with you. And we're ships passing in the night. This is really nice sit down with you. There's so many things I want anybody who's this podcast to take from you. And I wanna start with my last days because that when when we were roommates that was like the thing that really think shifted some stuff for you. Yeah. I hold on. I want to take it back one second. Okay. How cool is it that we were roommates and like homeys and struggled like all of the exact same time. Yes. And and there's a moment. Even the fact that there's more than three people here. Like wanted to come. There was a little bit of a line. You texted you text text ten thousand people, but somehow you do anyways. But how crazy is it that like we could even like people even care what it's unbelievable. One of the things that Justin did for me. He was one of the first guys I met when I moved to Hollywood. And he he was on his show. And he was like he looks like a movie star. He always did. So I get down, and I have this friend now, and we were running. He was trying to teach me how to work out, whatever. And we're on treadmills. And he looked me in the I remember this you probably even remember saying this. He looked at me. I had nothing going on like I was street performing we're now. I remember we right here. Twenty five I was stupid for me. I was like slinging CDs on the street. Trying my hardest and I there wasn't a lot of prospect in my future at the moment. And this cool guy from Hollywood look me in the eye. And he goes like if I could buy stock in you. I would. Dude. I feel the I to this. Oh, I was like oh my God. I need that. So bad right now. Thank you. So very few that I've ever believed in as much as I believe in Andy grammer and eve anyway, and I think that's the most important thing about like, really good friends. Is that even when you can't see yourself? They see they see you. They remind you of your purpose. So I saw okay. So you were you had been on everwood, and you had this kind of like rise. And then you had this moment and immediate drugs like. Only when you're close you gotta drought. And I was with you through it. And I remember you like kind of creating this idea of my last as out of it. And it was something that you've been banging on the door the acting door for while. And it wasn't opening the way you wanted it to and you just decided to go the directing route. What what do you remember how that came to you? Or what what the, you know, the origin story of my life days of all miles as tall. So my last days is a documentary series where I travel the country, and I tell stories of incredible people who have a terminal illness, but are just living beautiful lives. And it's. Actually, and I are both behind and that's one of the ways we became friends and it's rooted in behi-, quote, where says I've made death messenger of joy for the. Wherefore dos thou grieve idea that like how could that be joyful, and the one thing that I've known about it is I've always been someone that's been strangely drawn to people before they pass. So I think we spend our lives trying to forget that one day. None of us are going to be here physically here anymore. So it's like we distract ourselves with the world. And we forget that like one day we're going to die like we were born. And then we have somewhere that we're going, and we don't always think about what happens afterwards side of my how can be joyful has always kind of like how does that work? No matter how deep your faith is like how does that work? And I know you obviously have had some pretty intense experiences with it, and as have I and so I wanted to create something that helped us remember like that while we're here we should really live and what better way than to like literally remind ourselves that one day. We're not going to be here. But what's interesting about that show? Oh, tying it back into our friendship. Was that was like the lowest of the low for me like I had had everything stripped away at that point. And I'll never forget. And this is an Andy grammar story that I was in. We we live together at the time and his room was like like across the hall, and he was always like playing music and his life was good and happy, and he was torn and everything he's just about to blow up, and you could feel it's like volcano before it erupts, you could feel that his career was just going to go through the roof. And I was now having the opposite experience of sinking deeper and deeper and deeper and trying to figure out how what am how am I going to like get through. How am I gonna pay rent cars? Do you? Remember, the car thing was I liked by by cheap car, and then like lipid on Craigslist. And then flip it again and flip it again. I'm pretty sure that's not you're really. Until until I got sued, and I never did it. Butts. Andy came over to me, and he gave me a card in that card was a check for five hundred dollars. And he said, I believe in you. And I love you. And it's a gift for me to be able to give this to you. And that was how I paid rent that month, and it was right around that same. It was that month or the month after that I was sitting in the room, and it just came through me. And I was really my last days show about living told by the dying and for me like that was what I needed to like remind myself like hold on a second. There's so much more to life. And so I started the show my house went into foreclosure, remember that and. Mine tire life changed because it was like it was I realized that my gifts could be used in a way that could really help people help mankind. So so we had me on the show. I don't know if you've seen the show, I he called me. And he's like there's. Elliott. Yeah. He's like I need you write a song for this lady. Who's about to pass away? I'm like oh shit. So I did. Well, she loved him and her son loved him. They would they would watch on dancing with the stars every night. So it was in every episode was designed in a way where we gave one person beautiful experience that money could never buy them. And you were the experience of that. It was just an unbelievable unbelievable. What have you learned? Now having done so many episodes. What's the are there? Some major takeaways about living that you learned from these people that are passing away like most of them are not not Muslim. But a lot of them pass have passed away. Yeah. Taxing on your heart becomes so close to someone. And then they pass away. There's two sides of it one is I desperately need therapy. Because it's like, you you in some ways, it's like being a it's this weird thing where you you knowingly fall in love with someone who's going to die. But if you think about it, it's not different than any of us. They just know when. Yeah. So it's like we we separate ourselves from people with terminal illnesses as if we don't have one. Lorne terminal. Yeah, we just convince ourselves that we're not and that tomorrow is gonna come. And that's the one thing I've learned is that every single one of them. It's like, not don't sweat the small stuff. It's like make your life a beautiful piece of art. You have the chance you don't have to find your dying to start living all of these things that, you know, the poets and the religious teachers from millennia teaching us or manifest in these people. But it shouldn't take us having to like get sick to start living the lives that we wanna live. And then we can be proud of. And that's what they say is like you don't have to you don't have to be like me. You don't have to find out you're dying start living. And that's of like, that's the one thing that I've learned and the other thing that I've learned is when you surround yourself with that many people. And you're texting with them and they become like family like it never gets easier. No matter how much I meditate on it or pray about it. Or think about it? The pain never gets easier when you lose somebody. And and I think that's one of these strange gifts like in about life is it's supposed to hurt the difference is like can it? Can it be a beautiful thing at the same time? Yeah. Ooh. And has that you're about to release coming out when the five feet apart movie coming five feet apart comes out March twenty second twenty nineteen? So did did that spur out? It's like, so it is a love story of people that can't be together. Just as a feature film coming out the first time, he's directing a feature film give it up for him. Holy shit. It's awesome. Starring he tells a little bit about it. Yes. Kid that. Nobody's ever heard of. I hope he makes it one day. Cole sprouse in it. And. Yeah. It's just as beautiful story about two kids with cystic fibrosis that can't touch because of their their illness. And it's this exploration of love like what if you couldn't touch the person that you love the most? Because I think we need to be reminded of how frigging lucky we are like be able to just be this close to each other to hug our spouses, or parents or whatever and a real thing, it's like a real illness. It's not like a there's no one better to direct this movie after you've just done you're on your fourth season of my last days. Yeah. Yeah. Like the emotional intensity to bring that into to make this. I need to do happier. Comedy stuff. Some of my favorite times like going backstage on tour with Andy because everything is just so happy really like awesome musicians like playing happy music all the time. And I'm like, all right. Where does this? Where does this thirst for being around such like rich, emotional stuff? No, I feel like I'm just a true seeker, man. And I just think that. In the by faith. We talk a lot about like the veil that is this world. Right. Like this. None of this is real right? And if you're not spiritual than the easiest way to look at it is if you think about it like the matrix, right? Like, none of it's real. It's just all designed to distract us. And I just have always had this like thirst for wanting to know like truth and reality in like, what are we really think? I'm not good at small talk. It's why I love the good parts when that's on came out. I was like oh my God. All right. It's my first date with my wife, who's here we talked about we talked. We literally talked about the afterlife and death for like an hour and a half. And it was that was a breakfast. And then on our actual this is really this is really screwed up. But on our actual first date. We went to a cemetery because there was a celebration of Thornton chase. It was the first American by two hundred happy people, but I literally took it to a cemetery. Where are you taking me? Why are we doing? But I, but but what happened from that? Is you really get to know a person? I don't care, you know. And you sing about this all the time so preaching to the converted. But like, I don't like it's great. What shows you like or what you're into? But I really wanna know who you are. And I think for me like we have so much time on this planet. What's really going on? I wanna I wanna see I wanna see who the wizard really is. I don't know. I think so I think that's a part. I mean, we usually wait to the end to get to this specific question. But it's right on right here. So what is what do you think happens when you die? Because even say like, oh, you keep going. What does it actually mean though and having been so close to all these peop- like, so where are they? So I'm gonna use it analogy that also comes from our faith. And it's this idea that birth and death are the same. And as parents now, it's I think it's easier to think about you know. So when when we're born right? We're in the womb of our moms, and we have everything that we could possibly need, right. We have safety. We have security. We have comfort. We're getting fed like we are in our own universe. Our own matrix. And the entire time. We are co-existing in two places at once. We're both in our own universe. Right. Where we're super happy and content. We're developing things we're developing our eyes and ears. All these things. We don't need where we are. And then at the same exact time, literally an inch away. We are here at hotel. Cafe right? And can you imagine trying to explain to like the baby in the womb that there's two people that are talking using vocal cords that have not been developed yet. And then there's a neon sign here and just outside this room. There's like, clouds and sky and the solar system in a universe and assign and there's a Hollywood sign like there's no like you could never ever ever explained that to this embryo that's growing in this womb yet, they're in the same place there one in the same. And what we're told as you go through this process of you're in the womb spend nine months in the womb, ten months, really. And you're developing these things and then one day when you you don't know when you die of the womb, you die through very uncomfortable process. You are thrust out of that entire world that you know, you go through a tunnel. On the other end of the tunnel is light and your met by people who've been waiting for you, the entire time who love you so much so much in a way that you could never comprehend right? You're it's warmth. It's light. It's it's the exact thing. And then here, you are you're with your parents with these people, and suddenly you need all of these things you were developing in the womb the entire time. You had no use for your eyes when you were in the womb. But suddenly, you're is allow you to process you had no use for your taste buds because you were being fed through an umbilical cord, you need all these things the behi- belief in what I believe happens to us after we die as we go through this this process on this earth ninety years eighty years if we're lucky for summit shorter, and we're developing things as well. We're developing our spiritual arms and legs and eyes and ears. And those things come in the form of patience and forbearance, and kindness and trust and honesty, all these virtues all these things that we don't realize we need, but we need when we get tested are things that I believe we believe those arms and our ears and our eyes of wherever we're going next, and then one day were thrust out of this world, and it'd probably uncomfortable process, right? And hopefully, we're also then met with love from people and soles that have been waiting for us the whole time because we've only been an inch away. And we're just right there next to this entire universe. And Paolo explains it to us in the faith like this. And it gives me a lot of comfort to know because I have experienced so many so many little things where I'm like, there's no possible way that that there's no way that that could have been a coincidence. Somebody just did that. And it's like how it's like somebody from the other side. I got the baby was like singing to me and was like talking. Me, and like, I could hear something, and this magical thing, and I'm like, I know there's somebody that loves me over there. That's like trying to help me in assist me. And I know you've experienced those things too. And and it's just it's comfort, and again, nobody can be totally sure. But that's like that's what I believe is it so funny. It can be that. Or you just did. Very very fair options. But I literally it's the scribe everything you just said, and I I love to live that way. And I genuinely believe it. But we are we're put here with like, you don't know. Good luck. Or we could have we could ever on planets. This one makes the most sense to me to me, it makes the most sense to. And I think that you know, I was I've been talking about this analogy a lot lately that it's like we're here to play the game monopoly, but the points have nothing to do with how much you get all the points. Like how you're treating everybody while you're playing, and you actually live your life that way, and you that's why the afterlife is such a fascinating thing to me. Because if you do believe in it, then you could then you can like really think that maybe the point system isn't the correct point system that we're using that's the test. Yeah. The point system is really the test. Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting. I could talk about this all day. That's the point. That's. Something that I wanna ask you for anybody else. Low closer lo lower. Is your someone that just and we're gonna talk about more of them? But you do so many things, you know, you've like. You're an actor director you've done apps. You're you're really good at somehow coming up with a crazy idea, and then actually executing on it. And I know that there's so many people who are listening right now that are talented and smart, and they have important things to bring to this world. And the process of getting that out of yourself into the world is freaking hard. And I'm sitting next to someone right now. Who's really amazing at it? What advice would you give someone's listening? Who's like, I know that I I'm -ticipant or I know that I have a business any start. I know that I know I have something offer. There you before my last days. How do they get from there to now? That's that's a hard question. There's a few different parts to it. One. Is I feel like there was a lot of times in my life. Where I thought I was ready when I wasn't interesting and. And I been that person. That's like I'm ready to give the world everything. Reality. I wasn't I needed to go through some some pain and some heartache and some struggle, and it's through that struggle in that heartache and kind of reaching rock-bottom, I think that you really get the tools necessary to be able to to give the world all of your gifts. That's like the first part of it. Okay. It's like the idea of you have to go down before you can go up like when you jump like, you don't just get to like you have to go down the narrow has to be pulled back before you let it go. It's that it's it's and we don't always think about it that way. And I think we're also living in a time where everything is like so on demand, and like everyone wants it now, and everything's instantly inst- a cart into this since this. Now now now now now, and I think we're forgetting there's no such thing as overnight success. Like, you know, I was acting for ten years before I got Jane the virgin. Yeah. Right and five four years, I had stopped acting because it was impossible or having my first feature film, come out. But what was the first music video directed for you, very longtime very directed back home, which is probably my favorite music video home, miss me. You know, like we just so that's one of the other the other is I think we also talk ourselves out of cheating greatness. And. There's something I think we are. So afraid to show up who we are. And like give the world like are true gifts, and we talk or selves out of it because we don't know how it's gonna make someone else feel and we're also afraid of being rejected, and we're frayed of what if it doesn't work. And I think we spend more time in the what if it doesn't work than what if it does. Yeah. And if we if we just kind of four live, they're more like a ton for me. I don't think about it either way until right beforehand, and I go oh my God. Like, oh, yeah. Let's go to a podcast. Wait. Why are we doing a live podcast? We can't record anything. Wait. We have to be super intimate in front of a group of people that are watching us. And then it's like right before I'm like, oh, there's people in the audience. This is going to be awful. It's the same thing. It's like before my tedtalk. Right. Ted talk and at first I was like, oh, yeah. That sounds great. And then you just do it. And then you realize week beforehand. Did it could be not only could become like an awful thing. But it could literally set back the entire women's movement. And ruin everything in the same thing with the movie, it was like one of the worst experiences of my life because I was just like dealing with so much stuff and this could fail. And if it fails I'm going to ruin his career and her career, and I'll never and but I don't live in that until it happens right gift. So I try I do everything I can do everything I can't and not think about the possibilities that I could crash and burn until right before. And I think that's the only reason why able to do a bunch of things because because I don't have honestly in my opinion. I lot of talent I have a lot of willpower. And I just believe that anything's possible talent. I don't think natural talent not at least nothing like you. Okay. I was your roommate? True. So is that I know when I sign on to do it that it's going to be really difficult, and I just go like, yeah. I just tried to get my level of. Understood like the level of creative. Pain tolerance is just high. And I live in it all the time at a high level, and you know, you have friends that work out harder than others and mine is like people are gonna I'm stupid a decent amount of times. And I'm just gonna try to get with that. I think for both of us. We get to the same place, except we just have different processes totally minds just kind of blind optimism until the reality sets in and then it's just straight depression. My wife can tell you every time, I do a speech or everytime. I just constantly putting myself on the razor's edge of failure. Yeah. You are. And so terrifying. And everyone's like, oh, oh, just like, no, no. You don't understand anxiety straight up depression? Sometimes this awful. Why am I doing this? I would be so much happier. If I just owned a recipe in the moment. But I've seen you you probably will end up doing that. In the moment. I've seen you do have you kind of like it. It's like seen you on a video shoot. Oh, we didn't so many the jacket. It's like, oh, there's no jackets here and just hold up run up to a door and like knock on the door and somebody shows up and they're like who's beautiful, man. He's like, I need you. Jackie. Take normal for you. You live on the edge. And it pulls out like amazing things. It's like my version. I guess it's my version of like being an extreme sport junkie like a. Yeah. But it's that's what I'm getting at. I think yes, there's something there for sure where I thrive in. In this kind of pressure that I put on myself to create things, and I I like to think of it like magic loved to create magic. And the problem is that I believe what allows me to create magic is my connection with spirituality and God and. All of these things and my fear because I don't believe it's really me. Is that what if it doesn't show up one day? Right. So it's like, okay. I'll pray and I'm like, okay. I know it's going to be okay. It's gonna come through me. 'cause I don't actually have the confidence to do any of this stuff as just Justin. I don't believe for a second. That just I can really has anything to give. I think that threw me things are channeled. And the right words are put into my mouth at the right time the fear. There is that I don't as Justin have the confidence. But I have confidence in God. And then what if that one day? God is too busy doing something else. I think about all the time. Why does God care about me? Like look at our world. But I leave. Here's what's so good about one of the reasons I started podcast is because for me, I used podcasts so much I need to hear on like a weekly basis people that I respect talk about how much they fail. I need to hear it. I need to see it before. I just so that I know when I'm going to start something new that to be scared shitless and sure that it's gonna fail. That's your there. You've begun my friend like so that's why it's really nice to hear you talk about it that way that every time you go to do something you're you're scared, and I'm so happy that you're doing this. Because I remember as we were both kind of coming up together experiencing success at different times. You had said something to me that always repeat. And you remember you said that the hardest. The most difficult part of jumping is just that I like in the ground, and I don't even know if you remember telling me that, but like sunk in, and it was just like getting something off the ground like getting that I note of song or like that first idea of something or whatever it is is the hardest part of starting anything because that's where all the resistance happen. We're gravity is. And that's so I'm happy that you're able to do this and give that to so many people because I got to see you in your room literally singing for hours straight like I remember, I'll never forget. Had just gotten. I just got dumped. And I was I had no home I was homeless, and I had no money, and I came over and I slept on Andy's couch for like two months as I was trying to get my life together. Anyone who's ever heard the song me it was about this gentleman right here? And then I I got to direct video directed the video that was then my girlfriend got starring and is now my wife also it's like look at me now. Little bit. But I will never forget like I'm sitting there. I brought over my computer. I was editing like a music video that I had just directed for like five cents, and I was eating like whatever ninety nine cent like potato skins the Ralph's on the brea, and Andy was in his room for hours and hours and hours every single day. Just singing getting biggest man down writing. Biggest man. And like every time I hear biggest man, I get that little bit of because because I go right back to that like, but I knew I was blown away. I've never seen anybody work so hard, and it was huge for me. Because it made me realize like, wow, I haven't put in ten thousand hours. I haven't had ever worked as hard as Andy working on this song, and I can remember. And then I could hear the beginning of the song. And then the end, and how it how it changed, and how your voice got changed and got better. And then over the course of the time. I was like, wow, you've really literally mastered your craft which is so much more than most of us can say huge for me. I know you're never gonna fill. You mentioned your crap. Like that was a huge thing for me at that time in my life to see you just all day long. Putting in the work as used to call it, the humble, hustle hustle, baby street performer for life. I want to talk about Jane, and how fun it is to be a part of when you do art for a living. It's still really rare. You get to be part of something that good has crazy. And and that came from how did that come to know explanation for any of these things that are happening? I can't like I won the lottery. Yeah. Really? It's you might as well as you might as well ask a lottery like a lottery winner like so what did you do? I bought a ticket. Like, I'll never forget. I was I had given up acting to focus on directing these documentaries. I was I was brand just got married, and and I asked I had no manager or agent, and I had asked Emily to introduce me to her manager because they had a directing part of the company, and of course, like being my wife, she, of course, baby anything. So I went I met with them. And I showed them my last days, and I showed them all these things. And then they were like, yeah, we love it. Let's do it. And if you ever want to act like, you know, we'll send you conditioner to. And I said, yeah, it would be amazing. I kinda miss it. Like once a month and two weeks later, they sent me Jane, the virgin, and what was crazy was Emily just on dishing for the role of Petra. And I remember reading we're in bed, and I was reading her audition sides with her, and I was like reading the description of Rafael was they describe him. And I was getting jealous. If you get this who's this guy, this guy who's this guy going to be never thinking in my ever that that description could ever be me. Right. And then flash forward they couldn't find him. And somehow it just happened. And then of course, it got picked up, and then it went to series, and then got picked up again, it became this little this little lightning in a bottle show that has done so much. I think for women and women of color, and and kind of changing or industry to become so much more intentionally inclusive, and then you, and then you actually have direct and episode which is the craziest full circle. So last year, and it was so cool, and what was crazy about? It was the episode I directed. So I was supposed to direct the third episode of the season. But it was right before our son was born. And it was the son was born. There was the Ted talk. It was just everything was nuts. And that was about home birth, which was hilarious because we had this. We were very much like home birth advocates in some ways. And that didn't work out. So the episode I directed ended up being of course, about the Amar's cancer storyline. And it was just so sweet that I got to bring everything that I had learned in that world in like transferred into like, this this this show that I love so much. And it was crazy. This is crazy ways. Yeah. It's fun to see. Say they'll being weird. You're you're good looking. Okay. And sometimes. I don't just say that from like, I think he's looking. Yes, he's very good looking. But when you're friends with someone who's saying this, I so long the first time, it's the first time we met we hang out. He's like you want to go to the beach. I'm like, no. And so when you around him and the way the world treats him. Is different than most guys. I know let's just play that out there. And so also what happened? I sat by being roommate of yours watching the world cast you and see you as like, you're the Huck. I we get it. And to see you the way that you've now what you're known for who you are is just so beautiful that you're like known as the guy who is is under the virgin, did my last days gave this incredible tedtalk that I want to get into does the homeless stuff that you've been able to it was like a gift and also like a thing that you had to work through thing. Because first of all, I don't see myself that way and as Emily my wife can attest. It's a I'd even did an episode of man enough. We'll talk about body image and Dismore shooting. I was bullied as a kid. And I never thought that. I was good looking and I never ever thought that I could be an actor because I associated actors with being like my first my first meeting in Hollywood, I was twenty years old. I had this manager who took me to to a meeting at an agency. And this agency was known for like having all the best looking people in LA. And I will never forget. It was twenty we left a great meeting. And he told me he called me the next day it again, I wanna tell you the feedback. Essentially, the agent called him and said, you know, I only represent good looking people. He told me that messed up. Let's let's like that's just but he told me, but that was that was my I didn't for a second go, wait. But I'm, but I am it was like, oh, no. Yeah. That makes sense. And it wasn't until I moved to Hollywood. And they started sending me on roles where the description was like hot than I ever thought that that could be true because wasn't how I saw myself. You know, my nose grew before everything else. I have my eyebrows. I it was just you know, I I like the beginning roles. You got we're that right? We're what we're we're like Hawkeye was sure. Kind of like male escort number one. And then from my position watching you. It's like cool. That's not who is those. That's not gonna work. And what's funny about it is that it's not who I am. But I think that that's something that I've realized now is that that's not who any of us are totally in. And that's that's kind of one of the ways I realized that there was an issue in my opinion masculinity because I started realizing I was being cast as these individuals, and then I started realizing that all my way to my and my personal life to I'm also playing these roles. But anyways. Yeah. So at least means I wanna talk about this. Ted talk is unbelievable. If you haven't heard his Ted talk. If you're a guy if your girl both sides to hear it. It's unbelievable. It's talk about masculinity. Just like in general, and you want to get a little bit of the tear, most terrifying. Nailed it. It was it was awesome. So scary. I remember texting you just telling you how terrified it wasn't saying. I was like, please, send your mom. But it kind of it kind of came out of some of those gatherings that we were having right. Yeah. I think it came out of a lot of stuff it came out of. Some from the proposal, and like this the reaction of one I propose to Emily, and they went super viral, and and people couldn't believe that a man, I guess looked the way that I did or that would be willing to make that much of a fool of self dance or saying reject because I was really making fun of myself throughout the whole thing. Yeah. And then I remember being at the gym when I lived in Hollywood over there on Easton's, and this huge big buff guy came up to me after which is like, hey. You propose your wife? Yeah. Maybe cry. Anybody super-secret way where he didn't want anyone else to hear God, Betty cried? And I realize like why do we have to as men love these things in secret? And why is it so weird for so many women to like see a man, and what I saw was so many women putting me on a pedestal that I did not deserve to be on. And I went there's a problem here. Why why are we looking at this thing that I did or me as the exception to the rule when in reality like, I know, so many amazing dudes that would do that for their wives or different things for their wives. So many open men, and I see you're so many women constantly say like, we're all the good men. And I'm like, there's so many good men. Why are you hiding good men? Why are you pretending not be good men? I think that was the beginning of my exploration of figuring out. What the hell's wrong, there's something? That's not adding up. And I don't know if it's like this idea that nice guys can't win or not supposed to be nice guys or were afraid we've been we've also been socialized to like not cry and not show, our emotions, and I know you, and I are very like we're a little bit of an exception there when I do cry. I still the whole time my body. I've now got my head to the place where I'm like, I'm cool cry. Oh, my body's still no, no do it. You're you're specie. He literally is like it's fine body like chill out just cry. I don't know. How was that? Same thing. Maybe it's like, I don't know if it's like this for you in like, your dad is an example. But you know, I'm now a dad, and I'm holding my son, and I wanted to smother him and kiss him and all these things. And now, I'm thirty four years old, and I had these moments where my mind is like go cuddle with your dad and my body's like don't move. Or like I wanted to send sometimes even with me and another man like, we're good friends. Like just looking the other man in the eye for more than like, ten seconds or seconds. Or while you're talking it's hard for some reason. And there was no explanation for why? Except that we have been socialized to feel uncomfortable being intimate with each other and intimacies a whole big topic. But with men like men are so frayed to be vulnerable with each other. We're so afraid to open up and show our weaknesses because again, we're like we grow up thinking that we have to be the ALPHA's. We grow up thinking that like we have to grow up and be the leader of our tribe in the king of the castle, and we have to do all these things. And if we show another man God forbid that we're struggling or that, we're addicted to something or that we're weak in one area or that we're or we don't have any money, and we don't know how to pay rent, then our entire gender is gonna disown us. And we're not going to be able to let those are the stakes are that one of the reasons why mail sue. Side is so much higher. Like, it's it's a it's a growing. It's because we don't know how to seek help. And we'd rather figure it out ourselves. And we learned that generation Lee, we learned that from our dads. We'll learn from their dad's earned it from their dads. And now, it's like, we're realizing that doesn't work for us anymore and their space and there's room for fluidity. That was all part of it. And I was all part of my and my whole talk was just me having this kind of like open crisis in front of millions of people. That was like, I don't know who I am. Yeah. And I can tell you have never been made enough, and I probably won't ever be man enough. So why am I even trying to be man enough? What is man enough even mean, and some of my favorite qualities about myself are the stereotypically feminine ones. And you know, I just I just think it's all weird is awesome. And you really took like a whether think we started at your house where we would go and sit with a bunch of guys in your living room. And even just the the question. What does it mean to you to be a man sitting with twenty other dudes together is very profound question. And where did you learn what a man is hearing everybody answer it, and before you know, it. Everybody's like uncovering Razi shit. Crazy. Oh, well, I learned from my dad did this thing. So I think this, you know, but it's really important work to be done. And then you have this whole other like the man enough. Round the the show on line is awesome too. That's also important. Just we wanted to model like deep intimate conversations with men, and I really believe if we can fix the masculine issue, we could fix the like the issue that men have with each other. I think we can fix every problem that exists in the world. I can't think of an issue that doesn't start with in some way like us. And that's a weird thing. I know. But like, I can't think of a massive world issue. Yeah. Like, and it's probably stupid. I don't know. I just can't imagine a world world run by women where we would conquer each other and just kill everybody for you know, for like money. I just I can't imagine that world. I think that so much of that is rooted in this this I- this masculine idea that we have to win everything. So how do we fix it? So this one of the things you've done to me as you will text me saying, you're going through something which I appreciate I haven't done. It yet bullshit I go through plenty things. And I haven't reached out to you begin. I think I don't know why we look man roomies says it's like it's not personal seek for love. But seek the reasons why we build up all the barriers against it. Right. I don't know why we build up these barriers and we make it so hard for ourselves to do. The simplest easiest things. It comes back to we have been trained to to like say that we cannot ask for help. That's the only thing that comes. We've been socialized to be the lone ranger to be the Marlboro man to be like the guy that runs off like rise off on the horse and this enters into the sunset like in the western, and we we don't know how to do it. And we feel like we do it. We're betraying our gender or something this thing. It's funny to watch. We we've done it my house to where we had thirty guys in a circle doing talking about this and sir. People that are not open to it yet. You can watch them come in and go like, I feel very. I don't like this. I don't like this. And then like an hour in. They're the sweetest ones that have things to share one open up and talk, and it's almost like a cliche of itself at this point. So it is. But it's just true. It's just there that got there are a lot of guys that have trouble with that first barrier of being like, but that's all that. How do we actually connect with? But I have trouble to. Yeah. You have trouble. And I don't think there's any man that doesn't have trouble. And that's what that's one of the things that's important for me to say. I'm the guy that did the Ted talk. And I'm the guy that has the man enough show. But I am not an exception here. I am struggling with the exact same things. Every single one of my male friends. The difference is I'm like making myself uncomfortable. So that I can be better. Yeah. I'm literally using this this fake idea of fame. So that I can try to become a better man because it pushes puts the pressure on myself. Like, I can't I have to try. It's so much easier to just like accept that things are the way they are and to just become complacent. So. So I'm literally just on the edge saying all right, this sucks. Every time. I look in the mirror. I feel like shit. I should probably talk about it. Because somebody else feels the same way. Then you realize that everybody feels the same everybody even the guys that are posting shirtless. Pictures of themselves every day on Instagram that make me feel inadequate. They feel the same way. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in the GM all the time doing it. But nobody nobody realizes that. It's like this this these fake ideals that we just make ourselves believe are, okay. And really we're all trying to figure out how to get through. We're all trying to figure out it make ourselves feel like we are good enough. And that's an important. 'cause that's what I guess. That's what I'm just trying to do. Talk to me about we both have a very unique love for. Helping the homeless and your carnival of love is one of the coolest things like one of my favorite things ever with coming up soon. January twenty six you have too many volunteers ready. No, yes. But that's totally. Okay. Okay. Everybody's welcome. Everybody's welcome sign up. So let's talk about it. I four tell them that. So the carnival of love is a day of human kindness is your birthday. It was started around start around birthday. The true story is that the carnival of love would not exist. If it were not for my friendship with Andy grammer. So the thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people over the last five years would they would have not been helped and seen and heard in love had it not been for you. Because one day you decided on your birthday to make food for the homeless, and you invite all of us over, and then we made and then you pass them out. And I thought that's it. That's what I've been wanting to do forever that was like twelve years ago. So you should McDonald's. Remember that? Yeah. And then we all made all these support. So we these like really cheap to Ralph's and got like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and telling just about it. And just like, oh my God. Totally. So then Justin shows up with bad ass. Mcdonald's. Like a bunch of everybody. We it was like. If dollar dollar menu crazy at McDonald's, that's another. That's the first level of wealth. When you're really poor. Then you get to go to like a Taco Bell or McDonalds, and you go to everybody like, it, whatever you want. So true. But but I remember that moment because I was one for birthdays. I was always felt uncomfortable saying come celebrate me. And it was like it clicked this. It was like you doing that. Is it opened up my eyes, and I went that's it. That's me. That's exactly what I need to do. That's what I wanna do from now on. And so every year I started doing it. And I started inviting friends and turned into a bigger thing and a big thing and thirty people and forty people and people and then when Jane the virgin happen knowing kind of the way that Hollywood works like this perceived idea of coolness based on whether or not you're on a show, or you have followers or a celebrity. I said, well, why don't we try and experiment and see if we can use it to get people to show up to skid row. So we created this carnival. I was like what did we through a carnival carnivals are generally things that come to pretty like middle American towns to like give them a day of like forgetting that life is hard. And you know, you eat really shitty food and like go on go on things that make you then throw up the shitty food. And I was like well what we could do better. So we created this carnival. And the idea was really like this kind of group think effort where okay, let's get as many people as we can to show up. Bring close bring food bring high hygiene products bring books bring anything that. You don't need in your life anymore. Bring it, but that's not gonna change anything. What's going to change? Things are the way you interact with the person you give it to. So we thought let's create a day where it's just, you know, all of us are going to see we're gonna hear we're gonna love on these people that are so often forgotten do behind the by faith. He says tell the rich of the midnight sign of the poor. And it was such a profound thing. Like here. We are in the hotel. Cafe we're all doing, okay. But like just a few blocks away and even outside. There are people that have nothing that at night when we're being on our beds are sighing because they just are struggling with addiction. Whether they're on the street for because of their own choice or whether it's because they don't have anybody else. They were born that way. And it's perpetual. So we thought if we can just love people than that could be like the other part of a solution. You know, politics aside like you gotta fix things through legislating you need enough housing for the homeless number one. But they also need to be seen in they need to be loved. So that first year was an experiment. It was awesome. And then it grew and grew and grew and as my like dealer celebrity grew so did the carnival. And and now it's become this pretty incredible thing where we had like last year we had one hundred and eighty different service providers from LA like we became a hub for all the non who are competing with each other that don't talk to each other to show up in one place and provide services that these amazing people can't get otherwise. So it's like a it's like a job fair medical fair dental fair either getting ID's, there's like these because that's one of the things you can't get off the street unless you have an idea, but you can't get an idea unless you have money to get to the idea or all of these different things we're trying to solve some of these problems for them. But more than that. It's a. A one on one experience where you get paired up with somebody that you may probably never meet or just ignore walk by in everyday kind of situation, and you get to talk to that person. And here that that person is human just like you and maybe through that experience friendships can be born. And that's how we can get people off the street. Yeah. There's a foot washing station, and there's so sweet to see. Friends of mine are I got to do as well like someone is homeless, and and you're literally below them while you're washing their feet. It's a beautiful beautiful thing. But it comes from the bible. It's like Jesus did that. Yeah. Like, and again, I keep going back to like our faith in the by the highest place, you could ever get to is the lowest is what we're told. There's nothing more beautiful than sitting down and washing. Somebody's feet who has not been touched in. God knows how long and like talking to them and seeing them cry and just experiencing that with them. And this was the first year that actually Emily, and I got to do it. Because the last four years we haven't been able to. Yeah. So. Yeah. So our goal this year is we're trying something totally different. Okay. And we're going to look for one hundred people and those one hundred people were going to ask to commit to one year of being friends with one person that they meet on the street. Also, raise a little bit of money, and I'm gonna give each of those one people a little visa card, and they can only SP. Send it on that person that they meet for something that person needs I'm in and help help. Yeah. So we're going to try we're going to try this experiment because I believe that I wanna see what their place that people. That are listening donate to this thing. Skid row carnival, love dot org. Skid row carnival is good row carnival of love dot org. Okay. Cool. And we're gonna see what happens if these these hundred people go to the carnival with an open, heart and open mind to make a friend and to stand touch with that person for a year, and how many of those people can get off the street. So we don't know what's going to happen. But that's a scalable thing that I believe we can take anywhere. And that's like, oh, that's how change really happens. Okay. Now, I want I want to chat with you. 'cause you're so awesomely open about it in a way that I have been not as open. About it, which is the behind faith. Yeah. You are amazing. My thing, especially being someone who writes music. I just never want anyone to ever think that I'm trying to push something on them. Super freaked out and sensitive about it. Because anytime you hear any music, and then you hear like, oh, that's like a faith thing to pay thing. Your head goes like, oh, they're on the team. I'm not on the team. And so I've watched you be so open and Ernie fear about being open with your faith. I think I grew up with fear because I was always the only behi-. So I was the minority like grew up in a really born again Christian town, Oregon, and I remember like coming home crying because the kids were like you're gonna burn in. Hell do you realize you're gonna burn in hell? Like, Justin like, we love you. You're really guy. But we don't want you to burn in. Hell he's real things that you know, that you'd go to sleep like thinking there was something wrong with you. Because of the faith that you followed and. It was it was a beautiful thing for me to this day. I've never had a drink alcohol. And if we're not for the faith that definitely wouldn't be the case. Brief explanation of what the by faith faith, is the is the most recent of the world religions, essentially, we believe that God is an unknowable essence is not some guy in this guy with a beard. He is exalted. She it is exalted beyond human, comprehension. We're finite beings. So we cannot ever comprehend the infinite we could never comprehend something that is like big enough to create the universe because we don't even know how big the universes. And this basically the bible tells us that we're all one like the foundation of every religion in the history of the world is love. And from the beginning of time got us different. Teachers to help us like nudge us along as we keep forgetting purpose to get us to a place of unity and to finally get us to love each other. And that's really all the faith is it's all about service to mankind and love it's the root of why do everything that I do. And I think the reason I've been so comfortable talking about it. It's because I realized that if it were not for that faith that grounds me I would be such a mess, and none of this would exist. None of this would exist. My exploration of what happens when we die the masculinity like truly quality women and men like my work and why I'm trying to be of service. Like, it's been the thing that has grounded me when nothing else can. Because look dude, I got a big, oh I've like just like everybody else. Like, I'm I'm very. Animalistic and nature. I'm like. I'm trying my best to be quick to listen and slow to anger, but my past has always been like quick to anger, and then apologizing after I say something that I shouldn't have said, and, you know, like, even something as simple as do behind saying us words mildest milk that to me that little tiny thing goes. Oh, okay. I can get that grasp that, you know, to see no man is friend to see no ministry injures, but to see his friends like these little things like a tool kit for me. And it's why I think I've even had any success. So for me to not talk about it. Would you like to not talk about my wife, totally? But that said, I'm not a musician. Little bit different for me that different. It's it's really like I think we live in a time where everybody's just nervous to have these conversations scared. I'd made this whole fucking podcast. Like force myself and people that I love, and I'm so interested in to be like, okay. There's a lot of really interesting things about being alive that none of us talk about why not. But that's that's so you're doing the exact same thing which was earlier, which is you're creating something. So that you can become better. So that you can like dive in and become better. I think that's what it's all about. It's also really scary time in general to talk about anything. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you think about it's like, a scary time to have an opinion about anything because there is somebody somewhere with keyboard, courage. That's going to tell you, you're an idiot. Yeah. It's just it's just the world that we're living in, and I think that it's important to be brave and to have an opinion into talk about things. But to do it in a way that is unifying and tissue at your mouth. When it's not like, it, doesn't, you know. There's no I don't need to say something for the sake of saying it, if there's an issue that needs to be said, then of course, I need to say or if there's some burning thing in my good, but I don't wanna ever just talk for the sake of talking to express something for the sake of expressing something. There's so many more. There's so many amazing eloquent people out there that can do that. I don't need to for me the faith is I'm just grateful for it. You know, it's saved my life in so many different ways. And so that's why that's why talk about awesome. Okay. Said use these questions that I hit everybody with her my favorite. What is the most spiritual experience you've ever had get weird? I think there's a couple of them. I think one of them was watching my daughter born. And was probably it. And what was interesting is. Another one was definitely watching somebody pass. And every lies the same thing. Because when my daughter was born, and she came through, and I was the first person to hold her pray for her and touch her. I realized in that moment that that was not the last time. I was going to do that. And that was the most spiritual experience, I think in my life because one day when I'm gone and she's coming through wherever she's going. I'm going to be right there doing. Ooh, that's cool. That's really good. Everyone got really quiet. Good. Money. Tell me what. What's awesome about money? And what's the worst about money? What's awesome about money? Is that it allows you? To if you use it correctly. It allows you to impact a lot of people and allows you to affect and make a difference in a bigger way. It allows you to amplify anything good that you were trying to do before you had money, and it gives you resources. To to like truly make to truly make a difference. It makes things slightly easier. And at the same time, it makes things much harder. What's bad about it? What's bad about? It is that I think it is. It is one of the greatest tests that. We could ever have in life because it's meaningless. But yet it's everything at the same time. It's a necessary thing, but yet it's absolutely meaningless. And all you have to do is look through history to see that every single king and ruler Sultan, every billionaire they wind up being buried right next to somebody that had nothing, and we spend our lives accumulating and trying so hard to make money. And we can't take it with us, even though some Egypt. Do have been buried with their treasures can't use it wherever we're going, even if it's my version or the black version, right? And I think that it is the thing that that can lead literally to the downfall of civilization. It can lead to materialism itself is the opposite of spirituality. And I think that our lives were here to figure out how we can go from our lower nature to our higher nature and money inherently like there's something about it that just drops into your lower nature, this feeling of oh, I need it. Or what if it goes away or am I going to be okay without it? Or all of these things are not real. It's like the vain imaginings. It's what I talked about like the Mirage. It's literally Mirage and all it does is it just amplifies what's already there. So like if you're a selfless person without money, God willing, you'll be a selfless person with money. But yeah, it's a big test. What's the biggest myth that? You've had to overcome about yourself. You like a core. Belief about yourself that you've been able to shift. Yes. For these texting like Yosemite questions before. Semi himself thing. I was like what are you going to do? The biggest myth of had to overcome about myself. Probably that I've worthy of being loved for who. I am. And then I spent so long growing up in these places just feeling like I had to change that. I wasn't okay. As me. And I just didn't know if I'd ever really find somebody that loved me for just like the mess that I am like, and I found my wife does. Yeah. And and I think that like I'm still trying to figure out how that's even happened and how that's possible. And even today we were driving over here. I was like thank you for coming to this like infrared energy wanting to be here because we live together, and we're married, and I'm gonna go talk for an. And and I don't know. I think I think like being worthy of being truly loved having like the like the shitty. Parts of myself loves that's awesome. Can be anything. Give me one thing you love and one thing you hate can be like deep or silly. Or whatever you want one thing you love like you love one thing. You hate. I. I mean, there's so many things that I love this is a random thing that just popped. I love moments when two people are in conversation or something happens and like like a truth bomb is dropped. And then the hair stick up on my. I love moments where you're you're you're you're going deep enough that your body reacts to like, whatever it is that you're talking about and your eyes start to water and you're like, yeah, I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be right now. That's true. I love those kind of omens as it happens to me, right? One thing. I hate. Yeah. I hate when people get so mad when they're driving. Because I don't like I just like I hate when I'm trying a hate one. I'm like trying to like get turned into the lane and someone sees me, and they just don't let me in. And then I look over and I'm like, and they they know that I'm looking at them, and they just on purpose pretend like I don't I'm not exist. And then they just drive by. And there's that really awkward moment when you pull up to them because you're eventually going to meet them anyways. And then I'm gonna person that likes to look over. You know, like, I just don't get it. Why spread that like that's that? I hate that. I just don't hate road rage. Not that big of a deal. It's not going to do. I think I've even said on my biggest hate is. When because I'm at a lot of mini marts. During is when I looked them in the eye, and I'm like, can I use your bathroom like we don't have one. You definitely have one. This is so messed up and happens me a lot. So I hate that. Okay. Finally, why are we here? Why are we here? We are here. To generation by generation. Improve. On ourselves each other to create like an ever advancing civilization that can one day live in peace. And so there are kids or grandkids or a great grandkids can live in a world where they don't have to worry about. Food, insecurity or. Plastic filling up the ocean or politics and hate, and you know. People being killed just because of their skin color, or there isn't a part of the world where people have less and their famines. So that we can one day passed down a civilization that takes care of each other. And I think that the only way that can happen is those of us that are alive right now. Wake up and realize that like our purpose here is to love on our purpose. Here is to like raise kids that see unity and that despite their differences love each other. And that's a pretty big task. But like what more fruitful like what more fruitful thing to leave behind than like a generation that understands that pieces the goal. Good, dude. Right. I love you so much. Asian like this such a great great time. Thank you. Everybody for coming guys. So yeah, we do if anybody has any questions, please we're going to set this up right here. And you can I guess because I don't know yet. You can just call up and ask it, and if you do we have these weedays mugs. So for every person that ask the question, you will get a good parts podcast mug. Can I take one home to get into? Does anybody question? Please come on up. Sean hill. Up. So what actually been wanna ask you both for a while this? I've known you guys for years. The thing is you both don't like compliments, right? Is there anything? Like so weird with someone compliments you or like the worthiness, right? You talked about early that was beautiful. So is there anything that you would recommend people on how to accept those things better or anything that works for you that you let it resonate more or those moments? Like, you know, what I want to do my best to receive that? So curious Levy. Go. I this just happened on tour. I encourage everyone to do this before every show. I have a backup singer whose father was a preacher. And usually he huddles us up and gives us this awesome. Like pep talk. Getting ready to go to show and this tour specifically he made each one of us sitting in a chair, and then the other six band members would do what you're talking about. They would say look you in the eye, and they'd be like, these are the things that I see about you that I love about you that I really appreciate about you. And it was so hard to sit there. Like, again, my mind is like there shouldn't be nothing wrong with this. Why can't accept love that messed up that? I can't just basically someone's going. I love you. And I'm going like. But I don't have any advice of how to do it. All I know is that it is worth the battle to to fight through it. Because what's the sweet about is the next day then someone else's in the chair? And the only thing I wanna do is tell them how sweet they are. And how much I love them and tell them how they I appreciate them. All they do for me. And make sure that they understood understand that they're seen in their heard. So I got nothing as far as like how to do it. But you must force yourself to do it. What do you got? I think yeah, I've always been really bad at accepting compliments, but really gonna giving them yet. And by the way, that Sean hill who's an amazing spoken-word as great big out. So I don't get that minimum. Yeah. I think that I think it's important that we figure out how to accept compliments, but I think it's almost more important that we just make sure that we also give them. I don't know. I don't know if as human beings we'll ever get to a place where we just believe everything good about ourselves. And I don't necessarily even know if that's a good thing. I can tell you right now, adding Instagram and having my DM's possibly open if I believed the thousands of positive things people said about me, I would you couldn't fit my head in this room. Yeah. Like, you just couldn't. And so I think there's a beautiful thing about also just saying, thank you. But I don't know if that's true that might be your perception. Now, it's it's also not good. When you don't believe anything good about yourself. But I think that there's a balance I think that this is a man girl finger now men women thing human human thing. I think it's a human thing. I don't know if I know anybody that believes every good thing. And you know, we're all just trying to figure it out. But I do wish I was a little bit better. Like, you know, just taking it in for like more than five seconds because it just goes in one ear and out the other, and then, but if you pin me down, and you say those things. But we do that too. We do that every year for like birthdays and things like for, you know, my wife's blast birthday on our friends. Like, we just everybody surrounding say all the things about that idea. You all do that. It's amazing deal with somebody else have questions tech somebody that you have right here. How you doing? I actually work in politics, and where generally progressive organizations, so we are about kind of like spreading love and equality and making sure that people have the rights that they deserve. But like you're saying there is just so much hate in the world. Sometimes so how do you recommend bridging that divide? How do you show people that we are all the same? And like you said the color of your skin doesn't matter in that. Whether you're from one part of the world or another that we all deserve healthcare and to be healthy and happy and how the family who loves us. I have. Fortunately, don't think you could ever be solved by politics because politics are by nature divisive. Even though they're supposed to be unifying, and if you look at our current political system. And even if you look at the last election it it's just so clear that we're moving farther apart. Until we can start to see each other as friends and his humans and his brothers and sisters and still we until we can start to like, you know. See a mother who can't afford to take care of her children. And instead of just watching that on the news call and do something about it until we until we can actually like, feel empathy right? Then you could we could we could have all the female presidents in black presidents, and all Latino presidents and everything that we want. You're always going to have people on opposite sides that like ideologically don't agree with each other. And the only way that divide can ever like like continue to be shortened, his if people listen to each other, and no one's listening. Nobody's it's impossible right to both speak and listen at the same time that's an do behind quote. And everybody's speaking everyone's waiting for their chance to speak while the other person's speaking, and so nobody's listening, and until you get people together and realize that like, wait, we're the same. Whether someone has money or doesn't, and that's another thing about money is money is so directly related to politics right now. I think half of it is just about money like because we're so we're all attached to it or we're not attached to it, or it's just like there's plenty of money to go around if we just all wake up and realize that we're brothers and sisters, and we're humans, and so that's my big thing is like listening. You know, that's why I don't ever talk about politics. I don't come out with a political viewpoint. I don't come out and talk about endorsing parties. I don't do any of that. Because I think it's core. No matter how progressive somebody is or how much I agree. There's going to be a whole group of people that don't, and I always want to be able to talk to both sides because the things that we're talking about right now or not political they're human. They're just human feminism masculinity. All these things political. There's human we all we all need to be open. And I don't know. I I think it comes down to like creating songs like Andy creates the good the good parts or shows like I'm working on her television and film like trying to find. As to bridge the gap in show that we're all the same those types of things or super helpful. I salute anyone in any field that is tempting to bring white. So whatever that means to you like keep pushing any area. I think that. The quote is coming to my head is the essence of faith is Eunice of words and abundance of deeds. So I think it's just a lot about just like in your sphere of influence. How can you bring as much light as you possibly can? And as one more tiny thing, it's also necessary. Right. And like politics are necessary. Like, Emily on the way here. We're talking about how God like what about all the moms that don't have any help. Like, she was just talking about all the moms in the world that like have no help here. We are. We have some money, and we have an anti. But what about all the moms that don't like all the people that don't have health care childcare and Sweden as an example where she's from? There's all these like, they pay for you to have daycare all these things there's politics there, unfortunately. So it's a necessary evil, so but at the same time we have to figure out like how to how to make that not like just a party, right? It's gotta be universal. Like, we all have to realize like, you know, doesn't matter what our core beliefs are like we can sit here and realize we're both human. Great question much. We got a couple more. Yeah. We got. With the mugs. So much this conversation has I feel fed today. So thank you. Oh, so I'm a mom if two little boys and through both of you work. It comes across so clear that your hearts are just so strong and open and some wondering as you think back your own mother's specifically there anything that sticks out to you that they did that. Oh shit nourish. Oh, yeah. And his mom. No. No. No. No. No. No, no. This is all you. Your question is like, what am I what am I mom do? She's most of his albums. Yeah. My mother. She was like really into. It's funny because I was I was with my daughter this morning, right? She wakes up Matt early. So I was whether from like six to nine AM, and I was thinking we put on like some stupid kids show. We're watching it. And I'm going like, this isn't the best use of my time with you turn it off and start thinking like, okay. It's my job to like help pull out the weeds of you. And make sure that you are someone that's fantastic. And my mom was just really good at. Fostering, these this side of myself. I remember hearing her like she was always make sure that I was going to some spiritual retreat or that. There's a lot of thought and planning going into how my heart was at all times. Right. And I know how lucky that is a lot of times. That's not the case. And I always think with my career with anything I've ever done my mom built this like invisible city where other people will do. Physically they'll put brick by brick and make something that everyone else can see which is like a huge building some sort of architecture. My mom's spent tireless hours making me. So she didn't amazing job. Thank you. So wherever she is in the next place. And I carry myself knowing like, oh my God. I'm her building. I better like show up. You know? You know? You got a pretty mama's amazing, dude. And she anything about your mom's. It's so clear. She's still building that city like with you. You can see it like and like clearing out like other crappy houses around. You're like you're building you're invisible city, and she's just like no one's ugly. I don't want that one. They're pretty good, protect my son. I know she's doing that. She helped me and my Ted talk to straight up talk to your mom before my time. I was like oh my God. Please my mom was my mom is a spiritual warrior is. Well. On like, my childhood can be best described. My mom would tell me this straight up. She would say, okay, Justin. All your friends. They're on like eight lane highways like they can just like go from one lane to the other. It's all good. Like, they'll be fine. They can break the rules or they can do drugs or whatever they want, and there's like, no consequences, and it's great. They're lives are great. But you my son. You're on a two lane highway and there's traffic coming in the other direction. And when you decide to go off, you can if you want, but you have more responsibility because you know, your purpose. You know, why you're here. So you can go off. But you know, there's other cars coming, and you might crash, but just know when you crash that that's learning experience for you to get you back on your path, which you know, right? Why the hell would you? Tell me like twelve year old. There are thirteen year old or a fourteen year old then like every every time in my life. When all my friends were out drinking or partying or toilet papering people's houses, if I ever tried to do anything, I would get caught like the first day. I got my driver's license. Like just speeding and like going crazy like turn. It was an undercover cop behind me the entire time. Like, it's just been my entire life. Every time. I just wanted to be like the other kids. There was just like a spiritual thing that always like kept me on path. And I'm so grateful, although I was resentful for many years for that. Because that was like no mom now, I'm creating that for myself. She always was there to remind me of my potential as a spiritual human being which is something that is. So rare today like not about like, my my potential to be a great artist or a soccer player all the things that I was like materially interested in. She was there to remind me of Mike, my spiritual capacity. Our moms were very similar in that way, and visible city super grateful for that. Because it's still in the back of my head. It's still there and everything that I do. And if we're not for my mom who my first educator who taught me my faith. There's no chance I'd be sitting here with you. Requestioned got through it. Yes. I. Say it is very clear that you guys are. Both powerhouse givers. A big part of who you are is giving giving giving and I want to challenge you just a little bit Abe neighbor Rene round who I'm a big fan of great. Says. We shooting. I'm gonna blow. It have been practicing it over there. Okay. Intil we can receive with an open heart never truly giving with an open heart when we attached judgment to receiving help we knowingly unknowingly attach judgment to giving help. So I want to challenge you guys to first of all you believe that and second of all can you give an example of time that you had to get out of yourself and your pride especially where you're in a position where you can be givers all the time and accept help. Even though it challenged you. You think at the time. Yeah. So version, I mean, I think talked about one I mean just with Andy there were two times already. I think on this guys. I've talked about accepting the help. When he when I accepted, his when I when I cashed that five hundred dollar check that he gave me when I had nothing that was that was a big moment. 'cause I was like, you know. You know, because I had had I remember there was a time. When I even in my early twenties when I experienced success that I could have helped everybody, and then I did that's probably why my money went so fast. But accepting that help was huge. And then again the second time when I called him. And I was I'll never forget like when this girl had broken up with me. And which is kind of ridiculous now like it was just, you know. You know, he came over. And I remember he was crying because he just knew how heartbroken I was. And then it was like come sleep on my couch, and she's being in that position. And being so vulnerable knowing you have nowhere to live, and you don't even have the money to put like to have a down payment on an apartment. So like I was legit homeless. Save it for my friend. Andy grammer. Who also wasn't like a pretty crappy apartment. Like that was back when Andy was microwaving tuna fish. Which Asia he doesn't do that anymore. It doesn't move on. Okay. Okay. Okay. So. Yeah. So there's been so many times actually that I've accepted help when I've needed it. And I think that's another journey in masculinity as men being okay with accepting help. But I will say like Bernie Brown's incredible. I just don't know any person that I've never met that is always giving with a pure heart or accepting with pure heart. I don't know if it's physically human like beautiful, quote, and she's amazing. I think it's an amazing thing to aspire to. I just don't know any human being. That's currently like that I've met that is just like that ever one hundred percent pure in anything, and that's one of the beautiful things about being human. I think aspirational, absolutely. We should always attempt to be pure. But I can tell you right now that there's a lot of times when I give or I think I'm being pure, and then I think about it, and I talked myself out of it. And I go on my God that was so selfish. I'm an awful person. Like, I just help that person for me. I should stop doing it altogether. And then that's just dangerous place. The second we start questioning our purity, which I do believe we should do is just it's like a dangerous road. Because then you realize you're never just completely pure giving feels good for a reason God designed it that way for philanthropy feels amazing for a reason. Right. It's a reward that he built in to like a human like a so that we could just remind ourselves like, oh this good. I should do it more. I don't know anybody that's giving like whether it's helping somebody over the holidays or showing up to feed the homeless on skid row or just helping a friend in need that doesn't feel more fulfilled than the person that they gave to but then quickly forgets right and op met here, not one of my business partners, Muslim, he's the first person to tell me that the Arabic word for human in sun. Literally means they who forget, and that's our job here. We forget our human nature all the freaking time. So tying all that back. I don't know anybody that does a perfectly. I love that quote. I love for night Brown. I think she's incredible. She talks about vulnerability. I don't know if I'm ever going to get there. I agree. I agree with quote, I think it's great and trying to think of probably. An area where I've had a really learn how to take. Support or take it in is. Think probably my wife has been able to be so giving to me. And that's a relationship where you have to figure it out you have to learn how to take it. And so I. Is really a giver though. I know what you mean though, like it is it feels more comfortable giving. We've thought we were talking about this the whole time. It's just more comfortable, and you feel better. There's something about receiving either. It's our culture or whatever the perceives it as less. I know once I had a little bit of money, you start doing this thing where you think that you should just treat everybody all the time the food and you slowly realize that. Sometimes that's cool. But a lot of times kind of dick. Because there's like a certain once once it's not about the money. It's about like it can turn into power, and it sometimes giving is not giving. So you have to be really careful and that sometimes they're just accept someone else. Paying for the check something as small as that is actually sweet thing and important. That was profound as hoping it'd be but sewer Brown. But I I appreciate that. That's great two more questions. Yes. You always try to buy dinner with me what we always fight over it. It's like a sweet thing. And like the dinner thing is start. Sweet. You're like, oh, my pay for pay for it. And then like slow like ego ego. I will never forget I will never forget when he first like kind of had a big he took he took me in our other one of our other best friends. Adam was a roommate and he took us to like lobsters and steak, and we absolutely let him that was good those. Hello. Touched on a little bit of what I wanted to ask you just now when you said ego, I wanted to ask you if you have any tools that you use to connect to your intuitions, you can distinguish. You're doing the right thing. That's really the best for you in the best for maybe the greater versus like when you're doing something out of ego. And as such really good that is such a good question. Got it. Okay. There's a really cool behind quote that. I that is like the moat. The you say tool, I think of it like a tool because I think right now with so much of our lives on social media so much is in comparison living in a state of comparison that you never get to turn off. Like, it's a. Right. When you wake up your constantly comparing there's really cool behi-, quote that says I'm gonna put your it says no that was certainty the hardware in the least remnant of envy yet. Lingers will never attain my ever lasting dominion. And that basically is like remnant like you've already tried to scoop it all out and there's a little bit leftover even that's there. Then you're not on your path and from a very young age when I heard that it's been like a failsafe for me that try to use consistently. Once I start comparing myself to somebody else that comes up. That's not right. That's not in my purpose. That's not the way it was to be that has actually been very helpful for other people. It's not that helpful. But for me that quote specifically like cool. I go back to that a lot even throughout the day when I find that. I'm like starting to lose. I think there's this idea that a gun went off. The exact same time for all of us. And we started running a race. When is the most ridiculous idea ever? So to me my answer that is like comparison is the thief of joy. And anytime you find yourself doing that try to create a failsafe switching you goes. Like, I'm doing that thing where like compare myself to everybody else stop. Comparison is joy is like the perfect quote there. And then in terms of intuition and ego. I can tell you that. That's like one of the great questions in life. I don't know. That's something that any of us will ever get to truly answer. I mean, look, I'm sure there's a bunch of people on social media right now that have that answer. Like, all the gurus and all the that just can tell you. You know, all the different things about yourself that you can fix if you were to do this. I I don't know if we'll ever quite figured out. I think that that's kind of one of the journeys of life is can you start to learn the difference between a decision made of love and a decision made out of fear, and how calls ego that evil whispering one. It's really quiet, and that's just spring in your ear all the time. And it's like skating you to second guess things. And if you don't listen closely, you can't tell the difference between that and your intuition. So you don't know. And that's a really if you think about like just if you were to design life like video game, right? Like, what a crazy obstacle to not know if the information you're getting comes from like, your purity, and your intuition comes from your ego. And for me, that's where comes in which I think is like a protection even in a little moment like a little tiny prayer. Like, what am I doing? Which way should I go is this right is not right. What I've also found is that if I think it's intuition, but it's really ego fear. It's very quickly shown to me which one it is that wall shows up out of nowhere, and you hit it at one hundred miles an hour. And then you learn and that's like the beautiful thing about life. I've experienced that b-actor the other quote, I've experienced that inservice like why am I doing this right now doing this for me? Or is it for why am I giving? Wait, am I taking care? It's an every decision we make in marriage like so much of marriage is about making quieting the ego and quieting the whispering one in like showing up and being open and trusting intuition and being and it's just like the beauty beautifully about life. And if anybody's got figured out like God, that's amazing. But but I think that's that's a muscle. I can see us working on our entire lives. The question. Yes. Tell me. So I moved to Los Angeles about a year ago. So it's the most superficial city in the US, right? Sure. Moved here for graduate school. I I call it. So I I moved to superficial city to learn how to have deep personal conversations with people YouTube seem like really deep personal people. Right. Justin. You said not real. Deal with it here like and this goes for anyone how do you for those listening to this podcast? Probably really appreciate deep conversations. How do you deal with the superficial of LA of everyday life? Great question. Honestly, I think that everyone has. Weird answer. Everybody's got a grandma like everybody has something. Sweet to talk about that. We'll go deeper and in the conversation. You can always chase it there. You know, even at like some backstage of like an award show or party where all glam DUP. I find that. Everyone's receptive. When you do take the conversation somewhere else, you know, like one of the things that that I've been asking every woman that I meet. Whether they're fans or just someone in elevator. Or if I'm with someone for a long period of time. I like could you tell me about your dad, I had a daughter, and I wanna know how to be a better, dad key. Tell me some things like your dad. Did they were good every every woman goes like either they ran away. My dad sucks. Or like, my dad was awesome. These are the reasons why. And now now we're like tight now, we're like closer. I think it's a lot on. A city of people is not is not bad. They're just people. First of all, I love you talk to people in elevators because I always try to do that. And it's so awkward I challenge. Everybody in this room. Everyone listening to try to talk to somebody elevator. I hey, how's it going? Just that awkward thing. And it's even. Just can't believe you ask him in elevators about their debt. I think it's so cool. One of the things I love the most any always been somebody who's just constantly searching for truth, and all the strangest places, I love it. It's just the coolest. I think that I love LA, and I love superficial places. Because again, it's none of it's real. So I personally take a lot of satisfaction of trying to help people. Remember, why they're even here in the first place or why they moved, and I think that you have an opportunity in a superficial place to like bring so much depth than how people remember and what greater gift than like, helping people. Remember, that's why he does what he does. Like, you're sitting in LA having very deep day. Surrounded by a lot of people here that are into it. So. Yes, it's superficial. But I think like also so many amazing people here like draw like the shininess of LA brings artists, and I don't know. There's I mean poets raw like we're all like bleeding hearts that come here. And then we get lost chasing this like the money in the superficiality in the fame and all these things. But at our core, we're all kids with dream. Yeah. And I think that's what I love about LA is like, you know, if you just go a little bit deeper, you find that we're all the same also say one thing, which is maybe place to end is if you are brave enough to vocalise that you would like to have deeper conversations. I think you'll find that a lot of people will show up at our house. We were roommates. He started something called the spiritual talk, and it was basically kind of like this and just like come hang out. We'll read quotes from different religions and will pray together. And we'll go into these topics that don't get brought up enough and everybody so many people came. It was amazing game. We did it every Sunday every Sunday for years at one point. There was like one hundred twenty people in our living room every Sunday. And you just saw that everybody's craving the same thing. And if you can look like now that you just moved here if you can look at the city or any city of wherever you are listening to this any city, you go to in the world, any group of people, you go to doesn't matter. They're all the same. We all have hopes and dreams, and parents and grandma's and wants and needs none of us feel like we're enough. And we all feel like we suck. And like no one thinks they really look that good when they look in the mirror, and we're all just trying to figure this out. And we're all like learning. How to be the best people we can be. And then there's nothing intimidating about it. Whether you meet a celebrity or person on the street, it's all the same. Thank you all for coming. I had a great time. Thank you. Thank you so much, Justin. I wanna leave you. I don't know. Why was this? This came out when I was thinking of what I was going to be with you about this is my quote for you from me, you're tornado soul and inspiration that no one on this planet is safe from. That's hard to me. Fitting ball of soul milled cross. Everyone's so thank you for being here. And thank you becoming. We'll see. There you have it. Justin, bell Doni, not only obnoxiously looking also like the nicest guy in the entire universe. So I hope you enjoyed the new format is something that's really fun. Just trying the live live audience podcasting. Tell me what you think about it as always, please, please. It's been working whatever you're doing has been working this podcast has been going so freaking well, so please keep sharing it rating it subscribing telling all your friends about it. If you think something cool happen in this episode share with a friend. It means a lot it helps a lot and I love doing this. So thank you so much. I will see you guys next time. I'm actually going to be today. We'll be recording the next next week's one really good. So lookout point. Season. Don't.

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The Sexual Technique That Doubles Your Mind Power  Mantak Chia with Dave Asprey : 717

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The Sexual Technique That Doubles Your Mind Power Mantak Chia with Dave Asprey : 717

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I've wanted interview someone about for seven hundred episodes. I've interviewed various experts about aspects of sacks but I came across the Taoist teachings about male ejaculation versus orgasm, and I tested them because I thought they would be wrong and discovered that they worked. But I've never found an expert who could really answer serious questions about that and the opportunity to interview came up at you've been London real asked sixty million downloads, and you're very hard to reach because you're in in Chiang Mai in Thailand, so thank you for coming out of the show. You are in your seventies. How did you get on this path? You know when I. Think. To this path because when I studied in Hong. Kong days teenagers actually I met my senior year cosmic. Time we don't believe energy chee right okay. And and we are talking in a restaurant as Sunday a man coming and he said you, don't. You don't believe Chea- you wander exponentially. Yes I can take you to my master. It can show you the energy. So. We we met appointment pen o'clock in the morning. Come meeting in in the restaurant and go, and he gonNA come pick US optical deceased master. And when ten o'clock I sit, Dan. Nobody come yet. And senior cosmic come, and they said can we wit day becoming to wait until eleven o'clock? Nobody come so I got to see my Masto. Look at. Where the rest of the seven people say I don't know. They said they're gonNA come in. And Mass isn't Let's look you knew the only way they interesting. Yes, I can show you, so he parted my name, and you focus in the naval. And you can't mutate, you feel anything. You come to see me Bessie data. And they seat and I sit and they sit and they sit. Sunday. The energy come I already. Do a lot of this guy practice before but I know what he how me. So I get and now the next day I go to see him and they. Oh! This good got I have to explain what I feel? And he said yes, you had the same experience. So that's why. Is Right. That's it and from that to teach me. Wow, and you're in your twenties. No is. Teenagers Teenagers Yeah? And you've been on on the path. At. What point did you consider yourself a master? Actually, when I study where master and he sait when you finish teaching at now, you're a Mazda. Because my senior class make. My master, how he because he had a hot. He has a whole. So when you, Pam and pomp sometime, he he walked any tight end effet trended. It happened defended in Hong Kong on a streak and master pass by. Him! Not that teaching the thing and he get back to baton by Manuel Rico. And my master said he cannot get higher. Because his right so up that he passed me tease me and he said. Why are you so quick? You seem born to to to practice. He tells me in few day I. Go go there a practiced and explained his my experience. Oh. You can tell me off the experience except the right you get it. Could go on passing me late, so you were a natural I don't know. Any Bay quick at Garrett and A said okay. You are master, and now you can decide what to do. In in the West people look at sex as something. That's fun, but A little bit differently on. That it's both good, but also not so good and in Taoism we. When we say that a secret. Hold hold sacred guy secret because sex energy, the reunion of two metaphors love and sex. There and you creating a different energy. Because the. Have the most powerful entity can modify. Sex also have the most powerful can multiply though high creating a human. From love and sex, so it's the power of creation. The power of creation is very powerful. Now when people don't realize that this power of creation, it can do anything. And we only know that the and not no sex ready holy no, they used the sexual energy audit holy meant they said a Bassy, and if you only have so much. Power Seoul must be just them. PSALMIST knowledge because this power coming up chair now another powerful union were coming now now. 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S. dot com slash Dave free. That's massive dot. com slash Dave free all one word. You'll automatically get access to your unique code to claim your free bottle. There's a limit of one per household. This offer is valid only while supplies last go to mass dot, com slash Dave free. This up is really good. You should give it a try. How often should a person ejaculate if they WANNA maintain their energy, you know to have already seen poll number. We call a goal played. Go Stateman, actually the Dow before the the the thing is important. They actually get a goal plate and cup the numbered. Wow, this way part in. The whole key is that. The body only knit when people when the many declaration the body need to producing some. And when the sperm, not enough the body wary where distress okay, and he started to borrow so in Dowsett when we people accessories generation, the body, Barlow and the first. First author that if you don't have enough sexual energy. To order to make a baby to me ham, because the body. I don't know you make sex Nikon Baby. So they repaired the best of the best energy to make baby. Okay, now when you don't have enough is oh my gosh. No, you cannot do it. You can jackets went. Don't have enough energy for that. Because they discover that the phone. They have to have light. Dow decided is discovered. Four real real science found the for make light. Yes, yeah, I'm now! They discovered the term. They have no light now. They discover that not not carry. Life Court let me know no us. Go to the edge. Nothing happened no life court inside. And the Dow set. The light is wet energy. Sexual Energy Chart Despu. Now when you don't have that one by very stress, so they when you make love and they're only can. We don't have enough energy to do that. Because ejaculation ejaculation, so the ball of kidney joined the Kidney Is Reserve an easy for emergency. So the kidney energy goes away all right, and when they don the brain, the brain right and laid onto all and we die. I, I decided that for one year I would test the frequency Jackie relation and and for me. The equation yielded Doni Jackie late more often than every eight days. Yes, and I found that my energy went up. Not just energy, but the amount of happiness, yes, and I didn't bring. It was right at the time I was starting bulletproof. I was working. FULLTIME had a new child, and I was just starting company. That's done very well. And I do think this was part of why it was an extra battery yet that I had now. You have more. Happiness Ma arousal more happiness auto the a data Abraham. I actually daily graft it and I did have more of that and I did notice that when I learned how to have sex without ejaculation that I would have a lot more sex by why does that happen? Is that normal for students? Yes, okay, because you feel a lot of sexy energy. Yeah, you've about it a lot. Now in this energy in thousand gene, the essence of life and you and these people when they have. And then she DASS DASARATHA Mondo. There must must model. Is that. Of the sexual, not attract and Nado entity from the universe. Keep you more intelligent and more wisdom. Is that mother? Nature saying you must need to be smarter, so you can find a mate. So we're hacking that okay. A lot of people listening to this. Who Haven't come across this before saying, what do you mean? A man can have sex And have an orgasm without ejaculate eating. How difficult is it to learn how to do that? Actually ebay know understand a very simple concept, the concept way simple. arousal orgasm and each gleason is two different thing. Okay, so the Dowsett. You can't many many orgasm. I knew no need to eat APPALACHIA. Okay, so we call multi orgasm bread, so the muddy orgasms are we had the? We'll call multi orgasm for men. This yearbook, right and the mouth the orgasm for woman. Because if you're not from woman is veterans can do trick and do it all the time naturally. Because? Woman at different movement only lose one AAC okay by man. You'll lose about one hundred million to two hundred million sperm, and every sperm the body very to see they want good one. They want good one because I don't know east one become a human. So they want a good one. Okay, so try to make perfect boom boom, and a Lotta and in that they see that s why the body take a lot of resources to beautiful. So sperm is energetically expensive to make so we shouldn't waste it right to cost. He. Come from original false from our life our life. And turn into sexual energy. Now a week, so in doubt they discover we can transform the sexual in dialect back into origin fos become our life off immunity. YOU HAVE LA power at. How do you learn how to do this? Most people listening who are men have never had an orgasm that did not also have any documentation wipe. What's the first step Ho he was that they have to do some? We called year. premium and the sexual all practice. Qigong exercises, but but fancier, but better ones teach okay so there as the they have to learn how to contract different area off the pubic flaw. I know that do you can cook? Because if the pout period fall week, you cannot control. So muscle straightening out for the parents training entity training, and lit up the organs Bacar Audie Argon Year and years second Dow and the flaw are gone when the frog on sexual in Italy the are and finished norma energy. You teach a course in Chiang Mai. Mai Our world around the world who travel in the Knicks five days seven days. How long does it in the Workshop Yushi League a healing love today in basic today's okay so four days four days until also it takes someone or a couple of days to learn the techniques. How long do I have to exercise? Before I can achieve this. Some people already have some twinning the getting immediately immediately and my so the Dow set if you determine, have you determined not to each relation one time? You're my PA WOAH double. Amazing power it's true it up, both the and your determination making Ding and you manifesting moss double. The determined you can. You know if you can control Jack Lizzy, you can control anything. The first time you do it, it does feel like a victory, and it's very difficult, but. There's something called blue balls, yes. I found that went away from me after three days, and it never came back in a whole year of practicing, and you must Saad them, and you stress them. You stretch them. You must tackle in your strength that has. Peanuts, yes, okay, and you can you don't have that? Which of your books will teach people how to do that? East in in record thousand thousand secret. Okay is a classic book I. Read That Book. Absolutely. It's one of the things I read to prepare for that year so. I highly recommend that by the if you're listening to the show and saying what's going on. So. When a man learns not and have sex hill want to have a lot more sacks by and what does that do to their partner? the pond also need some kind of understanding, and that's why we are not with. The first book we call healing left that's for women Kerr and lay down. We have the Mountie Orgasm woman. Because when the man not ejaculation, it can really make the woman. ejaculation easier. So the women the women, can he? Doesn't right. I've heard from people in a lot of bulletproof followers have tried this. If they followed the content for well, but a lot of times, their partner will feel like she didn't do a good job because he didn't finish yes. How. How do you talk to your partner about this and say I'm not going to the whole key? Is that sometime had to talk, so you may be? give them watching the the. I'm watching the video or having the healing low. Okay, I'm out the our guests and woman books, so you buy them the book and say this is why I wanna do it right at least you know I'm. Only God this is what I'm looking for. In in my case, the strategy was you. My my wife was on board with it and had read some of these things but I decided that if I could. I do I say this politely if I could give her enough orgasms that she couldn't talk that she was okay with it. And this was the benefit. I didn't quite. was that it makes you a far better lover to do this. So in the book, we also talk about how new actually activate. Dear. We call them. tree water for woman. Okay, man, happy learn because all the sexual organ. of the lady a not. Actually all beautiful penis. Lied the the Qataris Clicks. Is Not for penis. Then, you have to learn how to use your tongue used your finger. In the nowaday we have by Brazier by reiter and everything, but I used to numb numbed enough. You know okay, so you're not a fan of vibrators. Mean some people they they use it, but it's not exactly what you you don't have to learn the skill how to use the finger and to work with the clinch, okay, and how to use the finger to work with the the T spot mysterious. Get because the G spot. Actually is not in the in the. Vidana is on the jury tra- Kremlin. It is a different place, so they can. Really you have to learn all of your anatomy, which is worth it now. Is this teaching workshop? Yes, okay, and for people who don't manage to find traveling You don't have an online course yet. making that you are, that would be of service to the world to be honest Is there a book other than you've mentioned? That is the the what men should know about Vaginas from our perspective as the called the Mouth Orgasm couple Oh. Okay, and yeah, the healing up. Keep a very detail, op, woman, sexual organ anatomy. Quite, because woman's a mysterious and everything is high behind. You have to look for lighter searching Easter Egg. So you look around, but enjoy the exploration right? What about people who are gay. How does Taoism of? Nothing that all in town. They really talk about that. They must have gay beautiful there. Yeah, and Now we have many people gig coming, so the Dow awesome talking about they're talking about that. melges spot is in the process gland and can risk by the NS, so Taoism does talk about that, but he's not talk about gay. Interesting, but the the whole key is that. The, the the milky spot is on the side that close to the NS. Finger going. You can reach it and the Western describe Westerner. This guy that so did using in the hospital. You have prazegaz problem so the. The the nurse going in and used the finger to mustache the prosecutor, and is t spot for man. Okay, and that will cause nor right. And now. the Dow use this. Get you call million dollar. Point this when I started the Book Orca And that is the Modise disbar. Okay, okay, but is. In the time they don't Talk A-. Talk about this. Go into Ns by the hokey. You need to practicing it, so you need to learn how to contracting the fun part the Ns and you go strict up there. That's where the parts of the men okay, so there is a male g spot there and women or men can learn to to reach at. and then for for lesbians. Clearly. Lesbian. There's so many things you do. Have to learn how so in Dallas and we teach the man or woman to walk on the Tofu. For Tofu. Because you have to get you know the the clicks. They have their the lake, the hit the lake and the body okay. So it's quite long. Yes, so it goes on the head. And you do don't get enough. You have to get that kyw Britian now so they used of though for about three layer. Okay, and if you, if you look on the soft, though foreign atop and you break, the Tofu are ladies at Kentucky. Okay don't touch it, so you teach them with this up. Okay, that makes good sense. And if you can make the though for not break out on the top, but the under the tree lay your. Though I'm by breathing doubt day in breakdown now you get it while you can actually transmit energy data. that's fascinating because you had to go to the lake and the bucket and the insight. Is it easier with her without hair? Now decree is not not matter. But in in terms of generally working on things, is there a daoist perspective on shaving? Then now we're talk about it, and then they don't have any. Okay got it. So what's what's your experience? It is shaving a good idea about idea. some people some lady when the shape when the head come back is very itchy. Okay, so that's not going to work. It's not good for pleasure. got it I I wasn't I've never read anything about that, but of course it makes sense because they didn't do it any of that back then, okay. Now. If, a woman doesn't have orgasms. According to the teachings of the Dow, what happens okay? The devastate the Lady Wendy Vidana to call. Call Cova Jonah. I mean no, no, not my sexual energy usually. A The AUKIN second down the Utah Second Dow impress on the whole sexual organ so now they don't have much feeling. Kerr and not energy not blood flow so coal with Donna. Usually, the sky of lady don't must anything now. Okay, so the way we do is. They have to learn to to contract over nine using the eco-design. Okay, so they don't squeeze AIG and pull the. J. J. K. one or two one one I. would. They can do to usually okay. Yeah I've seen a barbells for doing qigong exercises, no waits. To make it stronger right, good or bad, no way Simla practice, but we are more talk about the ache and energy okay, and then up the organs the the limiting. When this air! This is to pay workflow when you pull the when exit the period trying new learn how you know that you want to draw this entity upward duleep the Aubin the whole thing about his Auchan Stettin Dow. No. What does it do from a an energy perspective? So the the organs pushed down there so much feeling there. Is it going to affect the longevity of the women's agreeing to other things? What does? Teaching Dow all can can no work well okay? He sat down on the sexual homo- sexual sex hormone therapy to not produce and when that happens, the longevity of the woman is is lower. In men, is sex also on sexist? Okay in men. What happens if they practice controlling their Jackie relation? Do they live longer? Yes is put by WES also. pardon. Yeah, can you use? Dow exercises to increase the size of your penis. Yes, is the stretching. And that she stretching and she and usually we using. Brow Energy. We call blow off energy. You being the energy. You get the the brow. And Brow chocolate. Collar Yeah Chuck Oh Brown Round! Pick up a BRA. And you being them dot, being a eastern using in near the kidney, Erica and you bring them down and you push them in. The Penis Olympic as using. And grab an I right okay? And how big percentage can you get like a? We don't always the practice. Okay? You have stretch and push an and pushing the ORCA. became be because the penis is stressful. And expandable this how? Some people may be skeptical of what you're saying. When I did the experiment and this is in a couple of my books I. Put it in there. I I went thirty days with no touching whatsoever, and it shrunk alarmingly because like you said it no exercise now. This is not a good thing so i. did the stretching exercises and the ones? We Bang it against your leg and things like that. I was it was called. The male deer exercise is is that a part of of? To hold out, it was an obscure book. It wasn't one of your books are very obscure book that I found I gotta fix this, so I'm doing all sorts of strange things, and I like your exercise with the tongue. We use your tongue in your breathing as well. which you just taught earlier today in which is in your books in what you're teaching your courses. So I, did this and within a month it was bigger than it had been before. So I don't know what percentage and since then there's other technologies, then why make it much bigger, but you told this group something and I wanted more details on it. You've told this group earlier that. If. You could make the penis longer. It would increase your life for twenty years because the. The penis a whole by -tendance okay you election! You need tendon the. Tendon so the body have so many big tendon, an artist tendon attached to the back an affecting them, Holbeck right, and when the back when the penis are shot than bowing Brenda tenants Sharpton ow Penis pooing in. Care when it pulls and hung getting shut. Okay, he gets shot there. You get shot in the life and you're teaching us to stretch the peanuts and at the same time to go. Yeah because down. What? What's the sound you're supposed to make? It make the time. So I'm pretty sure I'd have to explain myself doing that in the bathroom after I brush my teeth, it was there a proper time to do this. Now you can do anytime anytime. And how many how many times a day you do usually i. do it about nighttime Esi, nine times a stretch date and the norgay usually every time I stress. I've few tiny. It's in the bag a pool. My back and you stressed Extrapol- any longer longer now. Here back has good. Back is good, and you'll live longer, and you're in your mid Seventies. You look fantastic. Now. How long do you have to hold that stretch? Grab it. Why and stop for a minute, or for not only a few few second. Okay, so you basically pulled pretty hard on it for well wait, but you're not jerking your gently pulling right. Okay? All right I will have to add that back into my regimen. Now. You mentioned longevity associated with that because of your tenants. How much longevity! Where did the the was it one ashes? About ten years to twenty, one inch would if you use other techniques, so Lincoln. The peanuts is going to help. Because one in energy also, there's only the energy that you're breathing in as well so it's it's she gong itself which is. Largely to extend life. That's one of the reasons created right. How long do you think humans can live? All, they can human eve. You have keeping the cells. And creating the dinner a speed mall. And that people can live one hundred, hundred, twenty, hundred for the very easy. Wow, not difficult. Now, we'll get Strut bligh expansion because we have. High blood, pressure, diabetes and their order Auto Cordeiro are blocking everywhere. I'm we eat too much in the evening? The Dow about evening. You eat too much, you you you really shopping your life in the evening? Tell me about if you eat a large meal at night. Where it goes, you know in Dallas, say issue Allah's Mute in the evening. The meaning with them at all. Will just up the we we we? We are not moving. We are not do anything so all the food stall the body a crazy. Especially when you go to fasting often, you make the body panic so when you have foot day, grab in crap, install. So end. The food store is in the evening. So eating after dark and he is when he gets the most. So in dowse at if you eat. a full meal in the evening one pot. Off The food that code to treat yourself my the adults, not a four part is going to feed the doctor. Dr, I love it. Yeah, do you eat special foods to give you more energy or does relax I just I mean my foot mostly I I in the dollar, and and we are more invested in their fresh food frustration. Volka and there are plenty in our garden. We grow our sow flute is so plenty there, and you can grow all year round. Do take lots of medicinal herbs you take lots of. I I like to do some. Human. Some so I I I studied the okay this more. I think this is good and this more natural I like to study and look at it, and they try need this. I feel good. So well because I think the Suprema, now they doing really well. A lot of people go into because people now have money. And if they few good it, but the food is one path, exercise and chief, going entities and not a pot to help. so they they go together. In terms of exercising and going for a run going to the gym Doodoo only Japan, or do you have in the Dow? They're very concerned about it if you go to one Sony, if you're younger. Healthier younger you do more strenuous exercise like jogging running and are distinct. But when you call up into fifty sixty with, don't do much on high because. Human bone and joys an can wear out. Normally, how could you? I can wear out? And are oftentimes. The body. When you court to one certain level, the body on coat don't like to go to Cairo to x two must exhausted. Excise Kerr and sometime when? We think there are many stadium anytime that people do wear extremes bought the actually not not. All of them live longer quite often. They don't and so. This is something that was in the teachings. Out Talk about that so there we do some stretching some touchy as some A. Swimming and some weight, but not that much, not that much okay, and you're clearly in very good shape, so something's working. Is it mostly the breathing, or is it the energy? The energy and the breeding, and and then I do a lot up. Meditation the light is key. What does that mean the premodern light? The light because light is everything. This is the light you visualize or light. Getting in some I know the is the premature light. Promote. How do I get primordial light so? I have to go to the workshop. Okay to teach H- how you open it. In the here, I am no time of course the new so I will i. will I mean in the Dow talk about the wildlife everywhere? Yeah, it's part of the natural SPEC. Backed them here, but that is the truth is creating light. It stop with creating this universe with this with light and energy and the south the three things that creating the will. Energy. Combined with where compose up like an and the sell. This sow is the true is the one that make breeding POW seeing Habich. And the breeding, okay, when the two thousand up. Nothing mix how? The nearby. So the the housing. The digestion. The brain thinking. And all the activity is. True sow combined with it with the three mugger light. Accurate everything! So we receive a true, sow coming in and the electron, spin. An utter that spinning spin in creating POWs and that at four weeks the heartbeat. And they mix out, and when we vaunt, whoops, take a first breath and continue on for the rest of the life. It is a true sow, but every time we use it. We have less south. So. Much earlier not state it because the wasting the energy. Or the sow I want to make everybody move. A sounds like I might be in trouble then because I seem to be talking about it for the for the show. If. Someone said I would like to. To join you on this path. How many minutes per day on average does it require to have a practice? You know in the Dow wary my muscle away. Tell me that you accumulated him. You in daytime. You have one minute. You aware you're Dante and get the ninety by burning. Why minute and you have you feel an Esi? And you have. One or two or three minute use my dow and relax. That is in the BC Day if you learn how to smile. And smited organ, and make the organ calm and relaxed now you have. To have five minute. Meeting even I know sometimes. You know you have to the how does that? You have to train yourself that my battery alot. How Oh my God. My Betty reload now you see that. Tariff on only ten ten percent. Kerr, and now we know by now how you know your body. Your body entity is low for me is very simple. I focused Andy I feel that I have in energy. My energy cannot care though an item feel warm. Heat and energy, move and Norma Energy GEIC. Is the one that support the Serre working and the energy disappointing supporting the fight a war, no entity. We lost the war, so everyone listening to the show can learn how to feel when their batteries low right because you have to exhausted, but now we don't know it when we feel, I'm tired. I cannot think and we think that if we take coffee and a smoke. And we wake up call smoke. They don't give you energy. The only fool the ignoring plan to give. You. Your stop, so you don't drink coffee. I cannot drink it. What happens because when the junior to entity too much energy. Mahaffey so fast. You're sensitive to coffee okay. It wake you up. It does and about fifteen percent of people just can't do it because to them. They don't break it down. and a lot of studies show coffee makes you live longer but there are people I know to say too much for me. Yes, so then t! Do you drink tea? Also no, okay, so you're very sensitive. Okay, yes. I the Ho- keys I I. I Lou. Yeah obviously, you're doing exceptionally well, because I, I'm the practice I know I can get Hannity on my practice, so your energy right from the error. On the air, or maybe that's always NPR. I'm I am blown away seeing you live in having read some of your books and getting a chance to interview you. in your work has great. Merit is not well enough known in the West, if guys would look at sex and orgasm as fun, any relation is something you do rarely. It seems like we'd have less disease and certainly people be happier. That was my results. You have more arrives, so you have more energetic, you more and Yuma happier. and. Maybe a final question for you. In a in a successful relationship. Is there something that a man's partner can do in order to help him not not have any Jackie relation when he doesn't want to. Who des many of them in the doubt talk about him because woman is player bigalow. Auden Pam all this technique. is in the Perez and the train concubine? Okay, how if the king want don't want to ejaculation and they need to have more fun okay, and if the delay make it, make mckinney checklist, and without the king don't want it. To get angry and the first thing when King, go out and Tau Tau. The inoke wonder service the king. knows. No not lift in the lady, or the king doesn't want someone another another child Mel that means the king not happy. Okay and salt data is lay left a life sentence. Oh, no cost you conduct, put them into the coal palace, and the rest of the live Nasi anybody own see the king see anybody'll. All okay, the food is called the policies coal until you die. Wow, he's very crew. So, they have to gain the Donna. So we call well twin with John and not train. What Anna A well-trained with our lady learn how to squeeze. Learn how to do everything and know how to control the male ejaculation. And there are many many picnic that to how men to not ejaculation. Okay, he the mental wanted all right, and you must have written a book about this. How the you must have had which one is that? Book is the multi of but Dan law new technique that we are now. We have a new book. According or new book is coming out on night. Okay, and you've written sixty four books sixty six now sixty six bucks, and that's because you don't very often. Your Energy and being. Have, Mon. Mon you know sexual is creating how it is creating a human and a very complicated human I've only written six books so clearly. I'm Jacky leading too much. No. Added thing I. DO Peace You know. There's so many. Auditing! Master Maine, Talk Cheer Thank you for being a bulletproof. Thank you for your work. And for continuing a very dinner lineage that deserves to be shown to the world. I very much appreciate you. Thank you thank you? So, do my dob. Pat Teaching is Ma in the inner alchemy and my expert, one of the big expert in China the. Want me to teach their. Wow, then no saumarez theory, but they don't know they're the real practicing the. It's fascinating that you mention alchemy. The first chapter in my book on anti-aging called Superhuman that just came out. I mentioned alchemy around the world it, because in fact, even Dow. Because this is one of the things that every culture has paid attention to since the beginning of time, and for some reason, just in the last fifty years or maybe eight years. It's become mall. Yeah, so thank you for continuing to push. You're doing good work Bengo. Thank you? If you like today's episode, you know what to do. Decide to go to Thailand. And go do a retreat, or if master Chia is in your city It is absolutely worth your time to go. See Him and to check things out I. Just I gotTa Tell You guys. It's worth your time to go see Pastor Gio alive. It'll blow your mind. 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Ep. 329 - Former U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency Dan Doney, CEO, Securrency

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Ep. 329 - Former U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency Dan Doney, CEO, Securrency

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It all goes down per year. But I really mean that when when I say you know you you come from. Very academic background of Government. Background a finance background. Tell us a little bit more about about who you are. Yeah I I love to code shows. There's that so I had a chance to work. Meetings government careers ever And attached some really neat areas in Santa government so I started in the military actually Went to the Naval Academy Mit and then spent a number of years In the Navy or non on submarines had a chance to teach at the Naval Academy said that that was pretty cool had a pack Asham for artificial intelligence starting from Undergrad and then did a look in the nineties in that field. Got Out of the military After we had our first child and then nine eleven happened and so I was recruited back to NSA and did work there in a field for almost a decade and had a chance to work with some of the greatest minds around the world. Frankly in a and it was just a super exciting time in my life. I'm my my specialty was in human machine systems and how you can take advantage of machine speed and human intuition to prostate a much faster and much more efficiently cheaper than was previously possible. Some of that work is actually still kind of message From that particular time our activities were working in was bowed. Our advanced research and development. It's later became Arpaio and their time horizon was technologies that are ten to twenty years out. So that's about right Given the timeframe when I worked there went onto department homeland security at I'd always been an algorithm developer so even before college I was As a as a young kid coding Got The very first. Ibm PC my uncle worked for IBM and a chance to Code Age. Ten and Scott Passion for I did Algorithm Development through through my career. Talk talk about what what is Algorithm Development You know that's that's kind of a funny a funny term And a lot of people might not be familiar with what an algorithm is but bitcoin has lots of algorithms in it. So so what kind of algorithms were you building? Yeah Look I. I like to focus on At at the time networks as algorithm an really dancing how neural networks worked out. This was before the top learning all nets But but I worked there. So it's real. Algorithm Development as opposed to traditional software development is much more about high end mathematical problem solving as opposed to scale systems if that makes sense. The distinction so a lot of software development is about sustainability and interoperability velopment. Just about solving really hard problems now. That switched gears from me after I left The the NSA field went to for the Department of Homeland Security. I went there as part of their enterprise service and there is really right. Had a chance to expand the skill sets working in eddings and really for scale and interoperable system so big huge learning experience for me as those kinds of systems. That kind of work is very different. I had a chance to work in identity systems then and So that was a big part of my career. Learning developed it at that point and based on that work And my earlier work in a I. I had an opportunity to become intelligence screens. I chief in a officer served in that role fence intelligence agency and that last it is cushy title one that's isn't well defined. It wasn't especially when I got there with titles like that. It's awfully presumptuous. The Bay thing that I learned is I wasn't the chief. Innovate I was there to unlock innovation. That is unlocked. The ideas anywhere that they came from inside the agency outside the agency really harnessed them to make mission impact and so much of that work really hard on how you make a big government agency in a very close closely guarded on community. How you help it. Take advantage of the best technologies that come frankly outside their walls and That involves fighting a lot of resistance to change and Putting in place structures into the actually the whole secret came out of this. If you can as any enterprise anywhere you master this. This isn't my quote. I wish it was. Joey came up with this quoted. That If you want to be innovative lower the cost of failure so so much of even world people do many year development projects that become too big to fail and so as a result. They're never able to do the quick turn. Try this to identify emerging technologies and frankly to hardest great things that happen outside of your organization so the other quote abused was bill joy from Sun Microsystems. Had matter. And I'm paraphrasing matter. How many smart people you have inside your organization. There's always more smart people outside so what really separates an innovative organization from one. It's not as how efficiently you take smart ideas from your organization really do about my approach to the space now. It also happens to be the same time when I fell in love with blockchain. Yeah I was I was gonna say it sounds like it. Alludes to definitely alludes to a lot of things that blockchain is kind of bringing his to the government. And I definitely want to kind of think about really you know. How did you kind of stumbled into this? Whole World blockchain. Yeah look so if you if you try my career you see that I I just passionate about cool things cool problems. Cool Tech Had a chance to go after a bunch of things but you know again I say well on the things that are game changing and So as I received because I remember the experience Gosh I wish I could remember his name. The Guy I talking about what Bitcoin was all about in the blockchain was was about he said Hey. Go download the well. I'll send you ten dollars. Which only at the time was about one. Bitcoin and world to be able to transmit is wow this is game changing and then even more so when I began to dig in on how that was possible. And you know it's just a spectacularly brilliant framework for the for the transmission evalu- others some shortcomings. I did not like the concept of mining. I always found the Dow was was there. Were better ways to execute the security models and it really comes. I think that that has proven to be true as folks are moving to purpose steak over proof of work models. It was to me an abomination that we used much power electrical power we did. He securities transactions and still do. But that's changing donalds are are coming online but just the sheer brilliance of the consensus. As as a way of securing a network. You know it wasn't hard to fall in love. Yes now especially with your background. I oh yeah. So you're after at first transaction I was exposed to the bad side was a research project that was mapping human trafficking and A specific gene. Who's really looking for the next year and again as and any these kinds of tragedies are interested in community is the cosmic networks. The community that the community cares very much to disrupt. And what you saw was this. Nexus between BITCOIN transactions and human trafficking that was you know alleges were frighteningly strong and so it became clear that this this model unchecked really in this. It wasn't bitcoin. It is anytime you have. Anonymous transactions and. It doesn't start with big on it. Same thing is true for cash transactions. Frankly or other transactions anytime you have anonymous transactions while good people may do good things. They're bad people just love it and so it becomes a dangerous environment so what I saw was a great opportunity based on my earlier work and and frankly I don't I don't think anyone would argue or a very few people argue things like human trafficking and governments actually have to care about these things and they do have to intervene. So it's you know I'm I'm all for censorship free value. We need this anytime. We need a candy. The polices itself in a way. It's much more intensive than Been many people in the community. Have have dedicated themselves to and as a result you get intervention and you have to as a society so remember societies themselves are consensus models right. Now it's a question of where you have to where you cross these boundaries in terms of the way that you step in and when I saw was a pathway who would actually get the best of both worlds that the power of the blockchain you have the ability to have complete traceability transactions. Okay so so that's great. You can anonymous. This transactions using your knowledge proofs in only make them available to those who need to know and regulators. Overseers have a need to know but what you want to know and this is. What's so powerful BOB? Blockchain is you know when they know so you can instrument their ability to view things in a way that's immutable so that they can't change it and you can see you can hold them accountable for seeing what they seen. We've never had an ecosystem like that. So then you'll be basically notify. Things will be anonymous and privacy preserving by default and then if the government has to look there will be a log of their views of your data. Is that right exactly and have then privacy organizations oversee what the government can see you again when you have this immutability at the core you have the ability to hold everyone accountable and and frankly as you know. The existing financial system does not have this kind of oversight right so we have a better better system ahead. There's a better system for everyone who people after knowledge that we can't have an ecosystem that facilitates unchecked. The worst kinds of human behavior absolutely agreed and so the solution that you're kind of bringing forth proposing building. I should say it's far beyond a proposal. It's built you guys are in production. A platform called security which I think takes the best of both worlds of a platform like a theory or does But kind of infusing in it. You know the law the regulations I mean actual you know taking the the law and hard coating it into how a assets issued on security Can move so. Tell us about the thought process Behind your platform and what really most excites you about it. Yeah okay. This awesome sight doing correct a little bit about the record. It's not hard coating it so even a lot can change and it's important to have this spy which you update the regulations. But let's let's backtrack a bit so I'm going to go a little deeper here. Maybe not gone in other places. If you lose if you permit me behind it to be a we came to this the very while I was still working in government settings in the evening you know given the fact that I loved what was going on in the blockchain space. I started coding and end coded up a system in about two months that allowed us to token is and I would assets and I was always interested in asset-backed models from from the get go and this was two thousand fifteen so it was definitely I think ahead of its time but what we saw the name currency actually comes from the fact that what I was interested in was commercial. How could you take and token is securitise? A pool of commercial real estate leases to produce dividend paying currency and Um so That concept that someone could invest in again real estate leases or insurance pools or other. Things was what we are after in two thousand fifteen and the model was one where you had a security and It we couldn't argue that these were securities Easier the kinds of things that you would invest in in. It was an invest an interest but it had the benefit of currency in that it was easily transmittable. Tradeable et CETERA. That's where the name security came from In in that initial mom I use ripple actually for the that I platform but I also fell in love with a theory and saw kind of like well mom. I probably want to do this in such a way that we can badgers and if I were to bet on anything in the long run the the bet that I thought was safest is that whoever the best is it won't always be the best and we needed to build in such a way that it was ledger agnostic so We invested a lot in that part of our our solution. Ch and it's I think in dividends. Because what you see is a tremendous amount of information across the distributed ledger. Space were excited about Theorem to. Oh as Bad hits the street. Be Some game changing capabilities. There we happen to love. Star actually is a ledger. They're making great progress in certain contractor super useful. Us Is is a good ledger. Get getting a lot of momentum there We LOVE AT HALF GRAPH. Transaction speeds of over a hundred thousand transactions per second are possible there and to the the bottom line in terms of as we go forward on. All of this is the only way you can. You can stray with the balance. In the CRYPTO world you have security performance in Gosh. I'm forgetting what the other leg of the triple. You get to emphasize one of those three speed speed security. And that's Dang I feel like an amateur here but in any case what what we know is different. Applications different. Use cases involve at dimensions there. So there isn't going to be one solution. There will never be one ledger. It solves everybody's problems and so what you want is a framework that allows you to use the right ledger for the rate problem. But what's more actually the ability to then move across ledgers and So just imagined switching gears. You're you've got shares of your company. You've chosen a particular ledger and ten years later. It's kind of out of favor. It's like choosing access database to to to run your system on and now twenty years later. You're still stuck there because that was your choice which is not to migrate across and even in real time where it's even up to the users where they go and so we built a veteran operability framework was really useful. But what we found was it's not just for distributed ledgers. It's for any letter so this made it. Clear is easy for us to integrate with banking systems with off chain or centralized trading systems with legacy systems altogether and that's where all the institutional values so that framework at up to and including internal accounting systems. All of this can become part of effectively a distributed ledger of ledgers. And so we're excited about the implications there. It's allowed us to be very responsive to some of our institutional customers in their needs because we have a tool that is designed with a click and infrastructure by the way we do intend. We're going to open source. We open source the complex where took and framework. We're GONNA open source. What we call our finance oncology so we broke down financial transactions into a base on is that based on policy. It's actually not that complex. There's a handful of baseline transactions that you see used in a variety of different forms that are then composed together think of him as like atoms it get composed into molecules which then lead compounds so payments are one of those transaction but a payment almost never occurs in vacuum of a purchase. So I send you some cash. Value Crypto whatever in exchange for something and not basic purchase mechanism than is part of a composite transaction Other things exchanges escrow concept of collateral the concept of loans and of assets those are basic core concepts and then there's a series of verbs that that affected the way that those concepts interact and so we built them. When you build that abstract layer that oncology it allows you to Overlay a ledger. Whether it's pay pal or Allie. Pay or a theory. We're bitcoin with basic model and then systems can operate. Even if those systems were not designed to interrupt worried with each other through this anthology you can interact across those ecosystems. So that's a piece. We intend to open source and the reason is we. Want folks to build into that oncology if you connect and it's a hub spoke model you connect into a hub which is an open source on. Haji connected to every other spoke every other distributed ledger who someone is bothered to build a connector to or every banking system her payment grits. And so that pieces is a part of our future. Were hardening knows pieces for for open sourcing In in our structure going forward now with that we built a model a general purpose permission model. And we call this. We used to call it our rules engine or calling in our policy engine and that policy engine allows me to take any policy any set of rules inside of my enterprise want people who are this level in the organization to be able to without approval from their boss. Boss they can stand hundred lit up to policy. Us Securities Regulations Are Policies Australian Securities Regulations Policies British regulations policies banking regulations or policies. Each one of these can be codified into effectively machine so we have a nifty policy editor. We'RE GOING TO PUNISH HIM. Some video and content in some training yards on. How folks can use this. But you can take and map. Those regulations would call them recipes. The recipes can be combined together and what they are how they work is. There is a decentralized policy enforcement on each ledger. When you attempt to transaction it consults with the policy interprets the policy and determines whether or not that policy is legitimate based on the regulations or other enterprise guidelines. You might have associated with your data so it is a special purpose language for authorization. Decisions for permission frameworks. That's very flexible opening. And you can connected into your existing data. So let's say you're World Bank and you want to you have contractors that you've mapped in your sap data system and you want to overlay over top of that. Some rules on how they can spend money center. You can connect using an oracle to data sources to enforce that policy in decentralized transactions so very flexible framework. It comes down to this. You generate those. They're published to various chains that have enforcement policy enforcement frameworks policies can be updated etc and this allows him to then govern without an intermediary complex regulations and rules to ensure that transactions. That take place are legitimate. So you can assign here token to your assets to your wallet to other things attributes and then based on those African make decisions on whether or not transaction kicker Toro is one of the largest trading platforms in the world with over one trillion dollars in trading volume on the platform every year and some of our good friends and they're great sponsor. Us customers can trade. The most popular crypto assets and your fees are extremely transparent. So if you're not ready to trade yet you could also practice building your portfolio with the Toro virtual trading feature the give one hundred thousand dollars of virtual money and you could start playing around with it and not have to risk any of your real money before you get comfortable with the markets and best of all you can connect with twelve million other eastward twirled traders around the world kind of like a social network for trading to discuss charts and all things crypto. So go ahead create an account today at e Toro Dot com slash crypto. One one. That helps us. That helps you. That helps them and makes everything possible here. If you guys use that link so guys start building your portfolio the smart way each Toro is trading made easy right back to the show. I think the term interoperability and this whole idea. I mean it's at the very core of what you guys are doing. You know connecting all these disparate ledgers at the very core of Cosmos network is doing polkadot. A lot of companies are focusing on it. And what what I think is so interesting about what you guys are doing is that you know. I always dichotomies or or you know. Break into to the world of Crypto as like the bitcoin. Minero whatever trying to be these stores of wealth Against regulation kind of you know Swiss bank account in your pocket as they say maybe theory could even fall into that That camp and then on the other side of the table you have you know securities the world or securitise or Tololo people that are trying to play with regulation built in so long long winded question. But do you think that these two worlds can coexist? Do you think that? There's a need for both sides of the of that equation. How do you see that unfolding? Yeah look so typically when you get into that because both sides of right and There's value on both sides. What we're trying to do it in the same way that I mentioned to you. Holding the regulator accountable or the overseer economists trying to create consensus frameworks by which people define what is possible to. What's allowed what so what we know as a society is. We trust matters and that we rules will rules must exist and so we don't. We don't have a dog in the fight whether one particular regulation is good or not on this. What we know is that there are regulations and there are rules and their reasons for enforcing rules so weak produce a general purpose framework by which people can can great manage. Ecosystems will do is put pressure on on governments who are who have arbitrary rules. They don't serve. Societal sack societal asylum purposes or are designed to really protect incumbents. They start to fall behind in a model win. You can automate compliance and trend come. Efficient capital can be allocated efficiently any society. Who's holding things up for? Whatever the reason for power for in combat for whatever will fall behind so we believe that that puts pressure on folks to on on on governments to streamline to make sure that they are properly protecting their citizens ensuring honest and fair commerce etcetera but not protecting the legacy players who are in a marketplace. And if you do that you'll lose. So that's the the framework that we look at here in terms of unifying these these world the way I would describe it as as possible but trust matters. And so the frameworks by which you got you. Produce a coalition up. Here's here's an example of a real problem right now. For the community that straddles two do to laundering. The Financial Action Taskforce is global recognition for banking transactions has pretty much laid down June saying hey look changes exchanges generally what they call vast virtual assets service providers. You shall conform to the travel rule. You one year now. It's likely that it will be extended from this gym. I don't I don't know but I think given it folks haven't quite made it there but are putting in a legitimate effort to get to this point. People know that they must support the travel rule. So if I buy crypto on finance and I send it to Polonius they have to exchange information about me as part of that transaction the source and the destination accounts and an parties involved in every transaction must be provided while the question is who who gets who gets that what entities. What does it take for you to be an entity? It says Dan Doni and his account what what qualifications to have because it'd be easy to say to create a much wallets and put artificial names associated with them throw into the next and say I'm keeping track of these wallets but if they're not real people you get a race to the bottom problem so in fact you need the community to protect to police. It's own well. Guess what. This isn't much different than the S. E. C. Had regulations at for protecting broker dealers given a broker dealer has particular responsibilities in terms of the way that they interact with potential investors. They want to make sure that you know this is a race to the bottom on this the SEC knows. They can't tap every party. Who should be allowed to do this? So what emerged was Fenra which is really a group of broker dealers who decide using coalition mall onnell who can be allowed into that what standards are required in order to hold that title. Well the same thing what standards are required to be a vast in this framework that we built a very general purpose model to do this where coalitions can come together and attest to things at stations are statements of assertions statements truth as as identified by a particular party under a particular authority. We'll turn to hut. That's really important to do when you're dealing with for example a global pandemic where you need to know what doctors are actually certified in order to act in a place. I do know that they're certified because they said so. There aren't good models to do exactly this. This thing that we're discussing here we've come up with a framework for that and so it's we're not trying to say that there's one party. United States should tell everybody Walter Behave. That's that would be tragic what you want coalition parties who have the freedom to come together in the interest of societies and begin to set boundaries. And if they don't do it well too restrictive or not restrictive enough. They'll go by the wayside or they'll get pressure from society to fix what they do and And so you get governance and this becomes the intersection between watching based Governance and societal governance. So we're excited to push those models. We've got some really innovative Frameworks there That we're looking to roll out but this has a lot to do with the way. Then you decommissioning on change for every transaction fascinating So you obviously. You know we've been listening to you speak you. Were you know we've learned that you've been part of the government before and you've got such great insight so this is a question. I haven't asked anybody who's been on the show in the recent months because nobody really Has worked for the government but from your viewpoint what has the government done right. And what has have they done wrong in your opinion in their handling of this current situation that we have unfolding with corona virus in such my. Gosh. That's alert question and one more Tell you what the government generally does right from. My experience and the government generally does wrong. But I'm not enough of an expert in Jiffy yield to say what they've got right and what they've got wrong. Look I can say this. It is very important for governments to protect the individual liberties of its citizens. And so this. This is the thing that governments out to check themselves. Because it's easy to step over lines and once you step over lines It's kind of thing that he is hard to regain that that territory in terms of civil liberties. Stictly careful in How easily just see across across the world? I'll happily people just handing over their civil liberties here. I get that it's a crisis and in in times of crisis you must society's need to react and act as a coalition to solve problems which sometimes means delegating your rights to the to the community. But man we gotta check this out just generally. What DOES THE GOVERNMENT DO? Governments are incredibly inefficient incredibly inefficient. I'll tell you this the big frustration point for me in in my rose Chief Innovation officer a lot of resources so that allows them to tackle some long-running problems but It it's not. There's no measure of mission impact so people accountable when he ran a company. Whether or not you produce like Marcus Revenue Matters. You gotTA produce revenue and so. We don't do things that we do make long bets. So we push after things that we think will produce large revenue over time but we're held to that standard by our investors and you know internally we know it's important for growth in government you don't bat and so the the lack of that motivation results in just a tremendous amount of waste and it is very easy to spend taxpayers dollars. That's not hard. There's lots of people who come to you. It's spending them efficiently. That's tricky no checks. So that's that's our there's very little checks. Yeah it's funny. I like what you said about. You know it's easy to spend taxpayers money and then on the flip side of that or I mean the same side of that coin really is that it's easy to as the Fed or central bank. Dilute every dollar holders equity in the nation by printing more dollars But do you think. Do you think this is a necessary evil? That were already married to this. Keynesian economics is money printer. That whole that whole idea. No my guy. I'm an Austrian school so no I'm not a fan now again. I'm not close to the situation to know how big the cracks are. I'm what I've seen for my vantage point. Is there some big cracks our existing financial system? And we've seen some things that are scary. What and what things just as the flash crash in overnight rates so bank liquidity is based on that the the overnight rates in last September. I think it was the sixteenth and seventeenth. There was a huge spike in overnight rates Interest Rates Yoga poten- presenters collection of again. We know it's just this. I don't think that's ever happened in our history and we we've as the one good piece. I shouldn't speak so directly but the the Federal Reserve printing money. I'm I'm not a I'm not a fan but The the one good piece is the way the banks the overnight rates in the way lend to one another because before that mechanism you had liquidity crisis in the Banking System before the nineteen thirties liquidity crisis in banking system all the time and the fact that banks have a mechanism by which they can help each other cover the shortcomings in the balance sheet result solved the liquidity issue. It's like a little pressure about eighty plus year not a triumph and suddenly. We just hit the limit. And that's scary so we these are the kinds of things. I don't know how big those cracks are. And maybe they're bigger than I realized. We're the FEDS. Got Us some things about this in any case if they start getting into that camp. This is the time for our industry as the folks in the blockchain space to be prepared for what comes next because there will be. I'M NOT NOSTRA DONNAS. I can't make any kind of the. It will come in our lifetime. Where if if the ends of transparency and clarity that blockchain provides is not a fundamental part of the financial system than we're going to have a major financial catastrophe. We got close in two thousand eight at a feeling. We're getting close now to that limit. I think I were great country. I think we're GONNA come through all this will be just fine but sometime before in a I hit. Hopefully my grave at a at a ripe old age eighty plus. We're GonNa have something and so what we need to do is establish the foundation right now financial system it's fair and accessible and transparent into. Now's the time to do this but look the flip side of this is folks in the blockchain space. Have not police their own. The ICO craze was a frigging nightmare that that was complete lack of discipline in in our space. And that's not a good sign that we are the responsible stewards of the financial system. I'll tell you defy I. Love defy defy is the future. It's we are. We are focusing our attention on defy challenges. Go into that Some more because we think it is so very important to have can be an easy to use transparent for example lending on other things so huge. But you see republication of assets in the In defy we're there's no transparency. There's no limit to the amount of lending against reserve. So there's not that overnight night rate or balance-sheet and we saw how what happened here. You know a few weeks back as they hit the limits with with the price of the theorem. It caused a Shutt- if people are not they're trying to make a buck and it sacrificing easy to do that when I when I buy what. I'm getting eight percent interest on my us DC because my that that has been loaned out in thirty times since then so that. If I ever have to pull it all out. A fraction actually exists. That's not better than the banking system folks so I have to know what I own. It has to be complete transparency about. And we're not there yet. It's a piece that we're driving to in terms of our path going forward as a as a as security because we believe that that happened in two thousand eight with the lack of transparency in the mortgage backed security space has already happened at small scale. The crypto space will happen more if we don't emphasize transparency as part of what we do and We have the right tool for it. Blockchain's the perfect tool for this. But it's it's not been a part of the ethos of our community and Meera gotta get on this because it. Now's time we can be the core finance if we do this right. Love it. Love it very very insightful. In a couple of other questions that we like to ask every guest who comes on the show closing. Tell me about one other project that you're not working on That really interests you. Maybe another company that you think is having a tremendous impact But has nothing to do with your company. Yeah mccue Gosh. There's a we have a close friend open crowd doing some really great stuff They are working with an Hash. Graph that we think is is awesome. They've got a nifty payment model Those guys are are doing some great work. Working a mentioned this and other settings for similar question on what Amazon and Microsoft are doing in the chain space that they've got some really powerful things in in their deep in the bowels of those organizations that are going to make an impact there the right players in terms of infrastructure offerings to give a a reliable baseline on which he you design a bunch of financial instruments. So that's pretty cool. Look we like the guys you mentioned for tallow this as a group. They're like Dave is his style on the folks in Benham The what they're doing with data to make it so that when you own an asset that there I think the tagline they use his Carfax for mortgages so you can see exactly what the performance of the underlying asset is Based on their data structure we intend to incorporate that in our ATF structures among other things. So great projects out there. And I even have touch defy defiles the bomb. Well let's touch on. Let's touch on what? What makes defy decentralized finance the bomb? The last question. Yeah Yeah you have. The ability is something Were we are directly rolling out so what? What were focused on is as many so having fun that manage themselves so you have to have a curator and is the person who's producing the index but all aspects of the back office components of a fun. You should be able to click a button fund fund. Shell be able to add assets to that fun of any type whether it's equities debt. Lisa's individual assets pieces of our real estate whatever into that fund structure and manage in and trade it and have full transparency those underlying assets that. So that's where our focus is on. We Wanna work with defy players to take this this fund. Shell fill it up with good stuff from the defy space like loans because we can do what the Arby s residential mortgage backed securities and commercial mortgage backed securities failed to do two thousand and eight. We now have the tools to do it at grade scale but in that we see self processing just as an example. So what we're going to fill up. Our funds was self processing lines. What does that mean? I can make in a theory in t and that he's alone and it turns out the parameters associated with how alone behaves. There's only a dozen or so whore parameters loan interest rate payment frequency Blah Blah Blah. I can I can codify that. The theorem smart contracts straight up. I can make it so that a person can pay their blown directly to the asset the NF T and so they've take their US. Dollar Tokens they Scan the QR code along. They make the payment the long process itself and pays its owner. That owner might fall under could be an individual has Bob Baloney. This is an owner of that asset as traits has absolute and complete transparency as to performance that level so unlike the big short right the two thousand eight crisis where you had the massive mortgage backed securities folios full of underperforming loans and no one knew outside a very small group of people who are snowing everybody. They didn't have transparency. We can do that. And what's more we can completely they drive down the cost of those financial so is going to change everything about the way that banking is done about the way financial instruments or issued through through these basic structures and mid and. I expect that there are others in the space completely open ended to find your own asset allow to process itself. According to the following specifications for our finance oncology and it plugs into a framework by which it can be exchange traded globally. Frankly based on our policy engine and so we're talking about bus wide open here and I know I'm just a little bit excited about the and it starts on Angel that are out there in codifying smart contracts so that they're transparent process themselves independent of specific back end systems. That are you know wearing the logic is all codified in some database? Somewhere or some middleware somewhere. These are caught into the asset itself fully verifiable fully scalable and. That's a big change from the way finance used to be done. That's a big change in big changes needed. I think we're definitely starting to see the desire for a nation to to change with with all that's going on right now in the changes unstoppable and I kinda wanted to just closing revisit that lasts or one of those quotes that you gave you know i. It was something like you know. I think it was by bill. Joy of Sun Systems. That no matter how many smart people are in your organization. They're more smart people outside and I think that the government is realizing that you know no matter how many smart people are in government. Innovation always comes from the outside and answers and solutions generally are are abundant on the outside. And I think that the government's GonNa take a lot of note from systems and Bitcoin in these decentralized innovated innovative systems and I I hope that they incorporate it for for our all our own good I mean they are Our delegates we you know we are the voters and we are the people that the government needs to represent And they are just doing our bidding. So I if you look at it like that you know just. Let's hope that the government does eventually Take note from the smart guys like Dan In order to build bill better systems that I think that's really the moral of the story here but Dan thank you so much for that. Louis acted a lot With with realtors and other folks in garment these technology very short people are so oftentimes people say remember folks you claim to get it in our world. Blew it in the opportunity they were given in? The governor's wise in your digging deeper on this and and taking their time that they adopted the standards that were in place in two thousand seventeen or two thousand sixteen or allowed that to happen her. Embrace that we'd be in a bad spot right now in terms of people's snookering other folks. There are brilliant folks in government who are taking this problem seriously and now that financial sectors you could say the same thing about the financial sector in terms of no matter. How many smart people inside? There's more smart people outside. Their being disrupted as they're not fast by what's going on the pace of change in the Fintech role not just in the blockchain world is finally shaking their foundations on it takes to work in the financial services space for good resume heist and there. But it doesn't mean you resist change. That never ends well. Let's change this place. Heck Yeah Beautiful Dan. Thanks so much for coming on in we'll keep in touch and just real quick. What's the website here for security? We'll throw it in the show notes. Www DOT security dot com security is S. E. C. U. R. E. N. C. Y. so think S E currency dot com beautiful. All right everybody will catch you next week.

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Growing Your Faith // Triumph over Temptation (Part 4)

Celebrate Community Church

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Growing Your Faith // Triumph over Temptation (Part 4)

"Everybody this. Is Keith Roy? I'm the founding senior pastor of celebrate church in Sioux Falls South Dakota, and this is our podcast. I just WanNa say thank you for joining us and it is my prayer that this week's message will truly encourage you enjoy. Struggling to make ends meet, the pastor was live it when he confronted his wife with the receipt for a two hundred and fifty dollar dress she had recently bought. Picture this. You're gonNA appreciate this ladies. How could you do this? He said to her well I was standing outside the store, looking at the window in the next thing I knew I was trying it on. It was like saying was whispering in my ear. You looked so good in the dress by. What the Pastor said well, but we talked. We talked how to deal with this kind of temptation your to say get behind me, Satan. She said I did do that, but then he said you look good from back here to. Welcome to our series growing your faith and I've entitled this weekend's message triumph over temptation. Triumph over temptation. Let me just say this. Temptation is the world's oldest problem and the most common one. It just is in fact. Paul writes I Corinthians ten thirteen. Every temptation that comes our way is the kind that normally comes to aw people. It's comet since Adam and Eve. With me on this temptation has been a part of the human experience. It just has and just like last week when I made the statement. If you don't have problems, you know Paul's. Well if you don't experience Tim Tation, you're dead. Everybody will be tempted. With me. Temptation is a part of our lives, but there's hope. As Paul said in first? Corinthians ten that we're GONNA experience temptation. Here's what he goes on to say, but God keeps his promises and he will not allow us to be tempted beyond our power to resist. That's good news. He goes on to say at the time. We are tempted. God will give us the strength to endure it and God will provide us with a way out. That's an awesome promise. Isn't it with an awesome antidote, and precisely what we're gonNA, talk about, and so if you WANNA have a mature faith, if you want to grow your faith the way God wants you to grow then it is an essential that we learn how to triumph over temptation. We have to learn to triumph over temptation. So how do we do this while I? We need to understand temptation works. In fact, the Bible says this in Second Corinthians to eleven in order that Satan might not outwit us. We must not be unaware of his schemes. To be aware of how he works. We have to understand how all comes about fact. Someone once said temptation is the devils toolbox designed to break our focus. He wants us to not have a mature faith. He does not want to grow interfaith. And, so temptation is gonNA come, it's GONNA come. It's GonNa. Come, and so if you have your bibles I, want you to go to James Chapter one because we're going to talk about. How do we overcome temptation? But not only that I think first and foremost, we need to understand how temptation works. And James is going to help us with this. So if you got your Bibles James Chapter One. I'm going to begin in the twelfth verse. Here's what it says. God blesses those. Who patiently endure testing and temptation? Again look what it says. God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation afterward. They will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him. I think you could add to those who trust him. Especially in times of temptation, he goes on to write and remember when you're being tempted, do not say. God is tempting me. God is never tempted to do wrong, and he never tempts anyone else. Temptation comes from our own desires, which entices and drag US away. These desires give birth to sinful actions, and when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death. So don't be misled. My dear brothers and sisters. Whatever's good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God, our father, who created all the lights in the heavens he never changes or casts a shifting shadow. I love those words. He chose to give birth to us by giving us his true word. and we out of all creation became his prized possession. Thanks be to God. So you've got a place to write. Let's talk about how temptation comes about. How does the devil work? To derail us to keep us from having a mature faith well, here's the first thing he begins by using desire. He begins by using. Desire. You see we all have them. And the devil knows it. We all have desires, and by the way desires are not a bad thing like the desire to eat to drink to sleep. It's a good thing, right? Now listen, he knows though when a desire is placed in a play in a in a way that it's out of control. It soon will take over control. So he'll take a good thing. And he can turn it into a really awful thing. Desires are not a bad thing, but that's where he starts, so he takes what seems to be a routine desire something we naturally gravitate because God put it there, and soon he makes it a runaway desire. And now we've got a problem, right. James told us. Temptation comes from our own desires. That's where it begins. I think you'll appreciate this or read about a guy who's trying to lose weight. But yet he shows up to the office with a box of doughnuts. And of course, his Co worker who knew is weight, issue said. Why would you get a box of donuts since you're trying to lose weight? Here's what the man said. He said I came to the corner with a doughnut shop was and so I. Ask God if you don't want me to buy a box of doughnuts. Don't let there be a front door parking spot. And yet got answered my prayer on the eighth time around the block. There was a front door parking spot. There is the problem. So he starts with desire right. But then he brings about the deception. This way, the doughnut shop isn't the problem. With me, talking to God wasn't the problem. The problem was when he turned on the turn signal and decided to go around the block. Now, we've got a problem now. We've got to run away. Desire and there in lies the deception. See, donut is a want. But it's not a need. Deception happens when we make a need. and therein lies the problem. I fourteen James says this temptation comes from our own desires, but now watch which entice us. And Drag US away. It entices us. and therein lies the problem see Satan knows are hot buttons, Doni. He. Knows, our weaknesses, he knows inside and out. He knows what turns us on, and he knows what turns us off. And he's constantly hitting the switch. If you will, it's like the woman who was swimming in the Gulf of Mexico. She was enjoying an afternoon relaxing on her new inflatable raft. But then she realized that she'd been swept out to sea, and she began to scream for help, but no one could hear her. When the coastguard finally caught up with her, she was five miles from the shoreline. where she first entered the water. Now here's the deal and I. Don't Miss It. She didn't see the danger. When she got into the water. And she got relaxed. But the danger happened when she finally got to a place. It was beyond her control. and. That's what Satan wants to do. He wants us to enjoy relaxing. Is just a desire is just a box of donuts. It's not that big a deal. It's just one good look. And then the glance turns into a gaze. And now the issue start. By the way if you want to write something down, the words entice and drag are key words. The word entice a fisherman's term meaning to be lured. And fishing they'll use lures. They use bait right certain different bates to try to catch the fish. The word drag is a hunter's term meaning to be snared in a trap. And so notice what the devil does key takes a desire. And then he starts to Kinda. Play with it. Get it on the hook, and like or like a hunter hide the trap. And you get off the beaten path and all of a sudden. You're caught. And that's where the deception comes in. So he begins with desire, something is healthy and is natural. But then he starts to deceive us. It's just one donut. No, it's a box donuts. But then. Brings about disobedience. That's the third thing he does. That's what James Rights. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to. Sin. I like to say it this way. Whatever you flirt with, you will eventually fall for. Whatever you flirt with. He'll eventually fall for. I said a moment ago. It's not the glance. That's the problem. It's when it becomes the gays. Or is the old adage goes? If you've played with fire, you get. burned. And that's where problems began. And now sin is underway by the way this is really what's behind all the advertising that goes on. When you see an advertising on television and all that stuff that happens. Their whole goal is to get you to turn a glance into a gaze, and then you start to entertain it. Thinking well I've got a habit. That eventually gone by it. So, they play it in such a way that it looks so good. At by the way, if you ever ever ever had that happen where it looks so good until you opened up the box when you got it at your, House. was was just not the same thing you with me on that, but that's how the devil works. Because the devil knows this watch this if he can get your attention. He will eventually move to action. And then the final step is from desire to deception to disobedience is death. And that's what James says. When San is full grown, it gives birth. To death. Now I WANNA pause there for moment, and let's just talk about this because. There's incredible hope because I want I to go back to what James said because that's what we're going to look at. And how do we overcome temptation? But let's just talk about what's going through your mind. I think. It's really important that I am aware. Of. What those desires are that I'm aware of what are those? What are those things that I know that Satan wants to tempt me with? Is that gives me an upper hand on. Being able to control that as best I possibly can. Putting guardrails up. Talking with others about it. So the others can help me so being aware and knowing what those desires are, I think is really important. And the desires are not with my desires are probably not the same desires. Amy's and they can even be things as desiring people's attention, and those kinds of things are temptation to worry into fear and. Just kind of let yourself. Get Down, or whatever even even those kinds of things. Are Temptations because that's not where God wants us to be anywhere. God doesn't want us to be is a temptation. I think about the comparison. Of the desires of the flesh and the desires of the spirit. You look at what the desires of the spirit are going to want for us. As we're GONNA WANNA, grow in our relationship with the Lord. When you look at the desires of the flesh, it's GONNA WANNA. Break that relationship apart that you have with Lord and the enemies GonNa pull stronger on those. We have to remember that. There's a spiritual war going on. And we I think we can easily lose sight of that. And I would say the most dangerous thing is as Christians when we grow numb to that. We get so wrapped up into worldly living. We forget that there is a battle going on. That's waging over our soul. You and yet people get caught in it and I think it's one of those things where we get numb to the desires. It's just part of it. I've heard Christian. Say you know well, we. We all make mistakes. As if that's the justification, the cross was to remove those mistakes and that we'd start living according to the spirit, and there'd be a different desire. We as humans. We love power phrases like I'm strong. I am confident I'm you know powerful because of things well in Christ? Yes, but outside Christ. No I loved analogy of the lured in snared because if you've ever been around a situation where you've trap something like squirrels that our previous House. CAUSING HAVOC SO I put out a trap sure enough thirty two squirrels round there and one of them went in caught him create the other schools tried to. Everything could to get him out well, obviously could so I took, squirrel brought him out of town released brought the case back five minutes later, the second score back in there. And I thought. Isn't that human nature? Because we think well, they'll never happen to me. I'm strong. I'm powerful. That would never happen to me. No, we are weak and if we get close enough, it'll happen. I don't care if anyone of playing with the Squirrel. Analogy can I say we're all nuts? What is it about us? It's so true well. Deliver happened to me. Oh Wow I think it's exactly what the devil wants to say. He's like Oh! This'll be an easy one. Here comes the trap. is just nuts porn doubts. I feel that we talk about it because we balance persistency we are persistent towards something that might be. It's desire that might be necessary. But. The I think it's quantifying something when you talk about. How much you want something if you're if you're being persistent over over and over again, eventually Outdo, because that that the thing that you desire is stronger than yourself so us constantly going back to that thing that we had used like you said donuts you going back to that one of the donuts going to cause you harm, but it's become a habit. I feel my my my mantra is. Everything must be done in moderation, because anything done in excess will kill you. Yeah. That's good. And, so the process of how Satan works. He takes a desire. He deceives us with it. Now comes the disobedience, and then the death, but I told you there's good news. Look what James Writes Verse Twelve blessed is the man. Who Endures temptation for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to them that love him. Blessed is the man. Who Endures, who endures? So, how do we handle temptation? How do we learn to say no in a world trying as hard as it can to get us to say yes? Well here's step one. You have to be realistic. It's just another way of saying what Chris just said a moment ago. You have to be realistic. You're going to be tempted. You're GONNA be tempted. It's not a matter of if it's a matter of when. Paul wrote that in First Corinthians again. No temptation has seized us. That is not common. What does he mean by that? Everybody's going to be tempted. Red Yellow Black or white. You're going to be tempted day and night. Okay, YOU'RE GONNA go through temptation, so you have to be realistic about it. You. You have to know you're never gonNA be numb to it. You're never going to escape it. It's going to happen. So we roller shoulders back right now, we okay. We're going to experience what everybody else experience. The devils going to try to derail us. So we're realistic about it. But. Here's step to, and this is when it starts to pick up a little bit step to you have to take responsibility. Will Rogers said at this way. The American history can be divided into two great movement, the passing of the Buffalo and the passing of the buck. Boy is true. The. Devil made me do it. Have you ever heard those words? Devil didn't make you do nothing. The devil just stuck the cared out. You're the one that took the carrot. The devil gets blamed for so much and then when something bad happens to the Christian Yelich to go, where was God? Why would God 'cause this? We. We just in that moment. You're not being realistic. Bad things happen to God's people. As they do. People are God's people. But temptation comes to God's people as it does to people who aren't of God. It's GonNa Happen. You. Know I read about. A mother told her son not to go swimming. Some you mother's by relate to this however when he came home. She noticed that his hair and bathing suit where wet. told you not to go swimming. She scolded him. Why couldn't help it? Mommy defended himself. The water looks so good. But why did you take your bathing suit with you? Just in case I was tempted. But how many times is that afterward? See if you truly want to overcome. Rather than being overcame by temptation, it's imperative. that you understand what it means to take responsibility for your life. Now we're GONNA. Talk about how you do this. But I think Chris Really said it best. Being very aware. Of Your desires very aware of where your weaknesses are very aware of your vulnerabilities. It's so important. We need to be realistic. We're GONNA be tempted right. But, then we have to take responsibility now. Here's the key to responsibility. Step three. Be Prepared. It's preparation. Peter Tells US beyond your ard. Jesus said watching pray that you will not enter into temptation. Paul wrote put on the whole armor of God so you can stand against the tax of the evil one, James said in verse fourteen each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is dragged away and enticed, but then he says this, but don't be deceived. What's he saying? Be Prepared. It's going to happen. Be Realistic. Take responsibility, but you need to be prepared. Let me just say it this way. Winners do daily. We've said it before. What losers do occasionally? Winners do daily. What losers occasionally. If you? WanNa have a growing faith. If you want to have a tour faith, you can never under value the daily need to be in God's Word and study it. You can never undervalue the daily need to spend time in conversation. Prayer with God. Because your daily Diet will always be come your momentary declarations. The media say it again your daily diets. Will always become your momentary declarations. When temptation comes whatever you've doing daily. That's about all you've got in facing that temptation. And I think it comes back to awareness. It's not only that I need to know where I'm vulnerable and where I'm weak. I better make sure that I'm doing the daily things every day. Is the old adage practice makes. Perfect! Let me, just say another way of saying this sin. Sin. Never just happens. Sin Never just happens it happens. Because of your lack of preparation. Let's talk about it. What's going through your mind thus far? I know people in the medical profession like we all do in sometimes conversations with them. Especially people who are in surgery or people that work in that way. The people that have the best recovery times or the best. He'll benefits out of that sort are the ones who coming in where the healthiest. They already had nutrition. Proper. Nutrition and exercise is a part of their program, and even if they bounce back so much quicker, the ones that don't took so much longer so when you talk about that aspect of being prepared I think that's why, like for example, memorizing scripture, not just reading memorizing it and putting it. There were times in my life when I was trying to work through ozzy. Addiction stuff I would take cards through about five parts of scripture memory and I just put them all different places, so was constantly meditating over and over and over again put. Wasn't somebody just read. It was something that what was inside of me. Ali Is. Like what I think about like, if I have a temptation like I think about. This was over a year ago now, too, but you know. Something as simple as drinking pop. I didn't drink like tons of it, but it was too much. And I went for a period of probably two months of absolutely none. Constantly just drinking water or something that was on Sweden But I can't remember what they say that time like. If you want to try to break a habit, it takes thirty days or sixty days or whatever it is. But it's true because if you can really if you can daily. really. Work on that on a daily basis I would say now I I drink pop maybe once every two weeks, and obviously it under control, but I don't have I. do not have that desire that desire is is almost gone. but it's. But it, but you have to have a daily habit. to work that out and after. took me sixty days, but It's it's. It's it's definitely workable now I like that perspective. I didn't even think about that because I've. Done that with food to you know not as many sweets, I love sweets, and all that and and my desire have been changing with that, but it didn't put it together in my spiritual life. Like thought patterns and stuff that they've had for so long, the kind of Almost overtaken my life. But that I could do the same thing with that as I do with the food so I'm going to have to process this now. Met I like that. Perspective and I I want to try that. I was in the hospital this week. Having a routine procedure. And they were asking me questions because about four months ago I, went into my doctor, and just had that checkup I. wanted to say I was doing with my health and my blood pressure was too high, and and believe it or not. There's no diabet-. You know diabetes in our family, but I I was like like point one percent away. From all of a sudden, being a diabetic and it that was alarming to me, and so he put me on a prescription. And I. I've yet to pick it up. Now partly, because being an athlete, I instantly knew how gotten to where I'd gotten. I really enjoyed Christmas. You know with all the chocolates and that stuff. It wasn't just Christmas Day. I enjoyed Christmas starting in the fall a building towards it, and so when I went in, it was not good, and I knew I was in trouble and I was. I was probably ten pounds, overweight and and so he said you really need to take this, but I chose not to out of my own frustration is. I knew how I got here, but being an athlete I knew how to reverse that. But so I was answering the question, they said. How long have you been taking it and I, said well m taking any of it. And in fact I didn't pick it up and I thought it was interesting. What the nurse said I barely got those words out in underbrush. She goes typical. And I thought about that. It hit me so hard. And I only say that to say this. How many of us? Have claimed to be Christian. And yet we're not living really disciplined. Christian life and the unsaved world goes typical. God gives us medicine. He gives us a prescription. And that prescription s to be daily if you will take. If we're going to be spiritually healthy. And yet how many of us when it comes to temptation? Read what you said. You know that won't happen to me. In, if I could say something if you could hear this boy if you could grab a hold, I'm GonNa tell you something the Bible says. It happens to everyone. We've all seen in fallen sure. The Bible says the human heart is wicked. If you can truly understand it. We all need the daily prescription from doctor Jesus, if we'RE GONNA, get spiritually in shape, and if we're going to overcome temptation, we're gonNA need victorious one who overcame the evil one. Amen to that. We need to be prepared and preparation means that that it isn't about gametime. It's about what people don't see. It's Daily picking up the basketball and practicing the shot, picking up the Bible and reading it and applying it, so it's not that the scripture if you will comes alive in the midst of temptation. Because now we need it when it's in here. It's always alive. That's how we overcome. It's about proper ration-, but then it brings us to step four. Stay focused towards the Great Prophet. You know the grinch starting crashed. You know it's one of my favorite lines in this in that movie. In fact, here's what James says in verse seventeen every good. Don't miss this. Every good imperfect gift is from above. Coming down from the father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows? What in the world is James Talking about? How how do you connect? Stay focused. Well here's the deal. Everything God gives us is good. The member I talked about those desires that we have are very human very normal. It's part of the creation. But whatever has your attention? Has You. Are you gonNA focus on the desire or the one who gave. The desire. Are you to focus on if you will those appetites that you have. Or the source. Of all those appetites. You see that's what James is talking about everything. God gives us perfect. It's good. Those. Things are coming down from heaven. And so, what are you going to choose to focus on? This is why Paul tells us and I. Keep away from every kind of evil. When Satan wants us to take another trip around the block. In fact Timothy Paul wrote Timothy these words run from anything that stimulates youthful las. He goes on and says instead pursue righteous living faithfulness, love and peace enjoy the companionship. All on the Lord with pure hearts. I if I could say this. Sometimes, we need to run from things right. The Bible says flee sexual immorality. But when you run from something, don't leave affording address. Okay. Don't tell them where you're running two. You with me on that, but it's not just running from it if we're GONNA, if we're going to understand temptation, it's also who are we running to? And what are we running to? Every good and perfect gift comes from God. I want to run to him. That's what it means to stay. Focused stay focused by the way Chapman, said it this way. My life is governed by this one rule. Listen to this anything that dims might vision of Christ. Anything that takes away my taste for the Bible anything that cramps, my prayer life, or makes my Christian worth difficult for me. I must as a child of God. Turn away from it. Those are good words. Those are great words. And so we have to be realistic. We're going to be tempted. But then we have to take responsibility, and that responsibility is what. Prayer being in the word daily exercising and being with our God. And growing that relationship. And by doing that, we have to stay focused. Keep. Her is in that. Would G, said the eyes of the lamp or the body? What you choose to look at. Its IT. That's what's GONNA come out. And I have to stay focused on my God. Oh, it's gone to your heart and mind before we wrap this up. On about your cell phones, but I got a call the other day in the word on its head possible spam. I don't know if you have that, that's what is that possible spam of course I'm going to answer it if it's possible spam or sometimes, if it's an if it's a number, you don't know either always answered I thought man isn't. You. Know if we could know. Hey, that's possible temptation as a possible. Typically, it'd be nice if we can know that well, we can't. Because the Bible says it says whatever's honorable, right true pure. Those kind of things think on those things. And it says if not then Paul pulses take every thought captive said Nope, that's not a true. Nano thought I'm not. I'm not going to go on that one. nope. I'm going to grab it right away. That's part of being prepared, but then it's staying focused I'm a stay focused on what thoughts go through. Nope, that's possible I'm not going. They're not going to do it. And thought cats were gives us that ability to do that. Are we completely? Willing to away from every potential. Those things that we're aware of those desires that we're aware of her. We are we willing to completely. You know. Not leave a little thread. Of a way that I can pull myself back to that desire. At any point in time. For me I, think I have to completely do away with every potential little thread that would get me back to that desire That's that's being prepared and taking responsibility for me, That's what I have to do. I have to cut it. Cut It completely off. Being prepared with scripture is one of the things that's. The best for me just because. Goes back to take in our thoughts captive, you know we get those feelings of anxiety and nervousness whatever it may be and. I have to remember in my heart I'm prepared with God's scripture. Already I have that that's part of me. It's built into me. It's built in my head, and that should be what gives us the opportunity to take those slots captive if we've been kind of feeding the same desire for a long time. Were comfortable there and it's almost scary. To let it go, even though you know, you'll be a better person when you do, but just I. Guess just trusting in God and who he is to just let it go and. Trust that bringing to the place through his word and faith in his word memorizing I really agree. Memories in Scriptures really awesome, because you're always going to have those moments you never expect. And then the Holy Spirit is brings that verse to your mind. Then you have a choice. To either grab on to it and faith. And overcome those thoughts or whatever? or Turn away from it, but when you have it memorized. The Holy Spirit will bring to mind. I want to add. Just one little point here when we talk about staying focused. Because I think that. If I. Don't add this. There would be a grave danger. That I think that Satan loves to do. With temptation is to isolate. Probably the most important thing that I could give you about staying focus is the necessity and understanding a life group. Having people around you. I say it all the time. And it sort of joking, but it's also very real. If you WANNA fly with the eagles, you gotta quit running with the Turkeys. And yet so many people think they can keep one foot in their worldly relationships, and somehow it's going to still free them to walk in Godly ones, and it doesn't work that way. Paul tells us be unequally yoked with an unbeliever. What's he talking about? He's talking about. You know if you take two bulls or to bison her two daughters. They put a yoke on them, and that they're side by side, which means you can never get away. You think you can. And and it won't work that way. Paul's literally telling us. You need to come out from underneath that. I have no, if you will relationships with an unsaved person. Where I've given them the keys to my heart. I'm even careful about God's children with that. But have people around you. That truly have God's best for your life. You need to ask yourself that. Do the friends ice Osi with really have God's highest intention for me. Like when I'm at my worst, they're going to still be at their best. When everybody else is checking out throwing rocks, they're always checking in and helping. If you will out the pain and the hurt I want people like that. I want people who taught God's word with me. People at truly want to pray with me. Who are in the battle with me? Had A conversation this week with someone that's. Just succumb to temptation and over and over and over again. Well as we started asking. Who you hanging around with? WHO spend time with? What do they do well? That's what the cases we said. Okay. You have to. You have to come up every thread of that. You have to delete them. You have to get a different job. Because some of those were in the workplace, you gotta get a different job. Different phone number, I! Mean you have to treat that way? Because if not, it's kind of like a cancer while we'll just take part of the cancer. No, you have to cut it all out. It's going to keep spreading. You're exactly right. Life groups are one of the best guardrails that you can. Put in your life. They're all those people are there to hold you accountable and they become family search going to build you up. You gotTA. Have friends that have eternity in mind. If a person doesn't know Christ I'm not trying to say that sound judgmental or mean I just know that whatever I'm going through. They can't see beyond planet earth. They always see in the moment. And that's the best that they can provide for me, but I want someone who has my salvation. Always in their care. And those are the people that that really are fighting for you. Can't do it by yourself. Absolutely, not. I definitely see the application of of life. Groups because. It's a way. To measure, what's going on in your life, your active life? And so as you're reflecting. On God's. Word. And what you're supposed to challenge to do. You want to make sure it's applicable to your situation, and so when you're in life group. Those people would be helping you. Stay countable to the things that you guys are learning, and that's why I feel that. It is a very very useful tool. Well, here's the final step. Jesus. Heads, the final thing that I want you to catch all of this. That step five. I share with you out of first, Corinthians ten about when it comes to temptation, I wanna read it again. God is faithful. There's the key. It's God. He will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. He Will Not pogos Andre, but when you're tempted, he will provide a way out, so you can stand up under it. And what Jesus said. Wherever your treasure is there, your heart will be also. When it comes to temptation, this isn't the issue this is. Who has control of that see the single most important principle in overcoming temptation is cheeses. Or another way to say it is this whoever is behind the wheel? Is In control. WHO's ever driving the car? They're driving the car. Who is it who you need to know? Jesus will never be the passenger. By the way it not trying to be funny, but if you ever seen me, drive there, no way he would ever be passenger. Just telling you we'd be, we'd be in serious trouble. But how many of our lives? We somehow were somehow content thinking. He's in the car. And I am committed to believe he's only in the car when he's driving the car. I won't have another God before me. We don't get to. See if we WANNA win over temptation than we have to let God the our transformation. By the renewing her mind. And all of that preparation. That were realistic about the fact. I'm going to be tempted. And I'M GONNA take. Responsibility is my life, and those things are gonNA. Come in. I need to make sure that I'm responsible and I do that. By daily exercising you know in God's word doing the right stuff. What winners do daily? I'm not GONNA do occasionally. And then I'm going to stay focused. But I'm going to need others to help me in that other godly people helping me with add, but all comes down to this. Is Jesus in control. Is Jesus in control and I WANNA. Pray right now. Because if he's not, it can start today. You WanNa win over temptation. You WanNa, triumph over temptation, while it begins having a relationship with Jesus, and maybe you need to just rekindle that in just refocus that and repent to God that that you haven't been walking the way you've needed to walk and re confess sets which pray right now, father. All of those who are watching I'm praying right now that in the true depth of their heart, they really wanNA triumph over temptation. God They WanNa have victory in Jesus and that's the key. It has to be in Jesus. God you're not a passenger in some sidecar. You're the one behind the wheel that wants to take us to where you want us to go to have mature growing faith to be deep. The God. When we go through the difficulty and temptations come our way, we will be victorious because our victor. Victoria is in Jesus. So I just pray right now. For those who just need to confess. That they just repeat after me father. Forgive me. Forgive me for thinking I can do it on my own. And my own strength. In my own way. In my own authority. God I repent of that right now. I need you. I need Jesus. God, I don't understand it all. But one thing is crystal clear. You died for me. To set me free. From me. That I could triumph over temptation. So I surrender right now to you. God It's not GonNa stop there. I'm going to be tempted. The devils going to try to derail me. He doesn't want me to have mature faith. But I'm taking responsibility. To daily be in your word. Is David said I hide the word in my heart. That I would never send against it. Over and over this Bible speaks. Of the power of your word. God. I'm going to get into a life group. I need other brothers and sisters. 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S1: Phish | EP 5: The First Forays

Long May They Run

46:28 min | 1 year ago

S1: Phish | EP 5: The First Forays

"There's always been a lot of talk about ways of including people and even if it's sort of like a joke or a Ziegler teen originals moon and this is long may they run one officials earliest Bates College was working as a Luthier at time guitars in Burlington we're Trey Anastasio occasionally stopped into chat languedoc recall will seem to want to go with us and it sounds idealistic to say but that's what the feeling is when it's good that's Mike Gordon in this House and at a certain point I was like sleeping on their couch for like a week looking for an apartment and I walked in the band was fortuitous decisions was to enlist Paul Languedoc as their soundman in one thousand nine hundred eighty six languedoc who had majored in philosophy to us and if we're being so open about improvisation than the only good shows are the ones where we're taking in people's energy and making the show out of Dan base as we'll discover the band members are not only musical pioneers technological trail blazers as well I'm Dean Budnick US trade come in and hang out and we got to be friends and then I had a fellow I worked with the shop who's actually living with trae the antics and rituals but also just acknowledging that the audience is GonNa make the show and that the vibe from the audience is going to come to achieve this objective have informed most every decision large and small throughout the band's thirty six year career reflecting on fishes reciprocal relationship with its audience the band has been mindful of this goal going all the way back to its earliest performances and fishes efforts kind of in this together you know in terms of not only knowing some of the inside jokes in the language and the context for songs and and music became very canned synthetic and hinged on MTV videos and and then leading into the nineties where in this episode we're going to examine the many buried means that fish is utilized to foster a special connection with their receptive college band at the time so we took it from there while working at time guitars languedoc had helped build a short scale acoustic guitar like to sing and I stuck my head in and I said hi and they were like trae looked at me as like let's get Paul let's get called to do it and I was like let's get Paul to do what and he said perfect etc and we didn't have that going for us so we we thought the collective consciousness was a better way to go and more enjoyable and yeah at this feeling that we're all we've had these musical experiences at band practice and we're thinking that you might enjoy it too but let us know and we'll figure this out together and an do you want to be our sound man and I was like sure I guess I don't know I don't think at the time I even may have known what a sound man was you know but they were just that even to the deepest level then just sort of saying that on some level yes we wanna go in this incredible journey together finally getting some sleep when the truck pulled into a gas station around three am it turned out that in replacing a loss gas cap at the last stop someone had put on around the gas tank with the toolbox open tools spread everywhere hammering wedging trying every conceivable way to get the stupid thing off but to no avail the biggest bands had a lot of angst that they were expressing and often the singer is you know some kind of a sex idol about even though the ban members had their doubts so the story is Mike's Girlfriend Silla she was in telluride which recounts a moment from the band's trip to tell you ride in nineteen eighty eight it reads and I quote on the way home from that trip Paul was at age monitors that he had built for the group to ensure that the band had the best opportunity to hear each other which was essential to their high level improvisation the word the unscrew the cap in climbed back into the truck leaving behind a group of wide eyed observers and he picked up the tiny screwdriver in the toolbox and gently tapped it into the plastic cap wedging it against the locking mechanism inside with the trae purchased and brought with him to Europe when he traveled there in Nineteen eighty-five with Jon Fishman for a summer of busking later after locking cap for which there was no key so one by one band and crew members began trying to get the cap off within minutes there were four people still Paul was game for most anything in on one occasion he took the stage mid set following a mishap during the band's animated rave up big black that trip to telluride during the summer of nineteen eighty eight was fishes first foray out of New England and Paul shares an interesting account of how that came in time closed Paul took a job in a cabinet making shop moonlighting over a few months to craft a new instrument tray that would become his goto guitar for years so we packed oh he's the one who taught me at the beginning there and I had to learn sort of from the ground up I didn't really know much about the stuff at the time but they were always kind of interested in having the thing too because we don't have to feel alone like we're four people trying to prove ourselves in our music and our songs and the experience more like we want to go on a journey and these people wouldn't buy anything at the bar because he didn't want support the owner so then there was this other club across the way literally across the street called the floor beyond this Paul was a true jack-of-all-trades we carried PA and lighting right from the very beginning are maybe five and one in Aspen those tapes started to circulate and so when we went back we already had a little bit of a name that people knew from related from those dates at that time the way you got new music at least in terms of fish was someone would trade a tape with your nineteen ninety-one after hearing the tapes his friends had recorded five months earlier at Rick's cafe in Ann Arbor fish wouldn't return to Colorado for a couple of years but page McConnell explains the telluride shows had an impact due to the live recordings that sir the cap would not budge slowly the truck door opened and Paula merged half asleep glasses off and wandered over to the tank he soon became a true believer driving fifteen hours to his next show which turned out to be Paul quite matter of fact about all of this and attitude that also as reflected by a story that appears in an early edition of the fish newsletter and when we out there it turned out that the club was being boycotted because he hadn't been paying his staff and so nobody would go there oh and that was kind of unheard of and when they hired me I mean Mike was kind of in charge of the PA or he knew the most about PA stuff and I mean we had a meeting about whether or not we should go and everybody made a little speech about how no it doesn't make any sense I don't think we should go but yes I'm voting to go and so we went Nat Kevin Shapiro who is now the band's arcus taped his very first fish show at the Gore ballroom in Cleveland on September twenty nine Ktar Way and one of the frets on Mike Space had stuck out at an angle and I gotta hammer and I walked onstage in hammered at back in place pretty much well they were playing tapers could play to help spread the word and in March nineteen ninety-two put this to the test secret language was kind of an and that she was talking to somebody about getting the band a Gig there and this Guy Warren stickney on a club there and he was supposed to book a tour and Colorado for the me to the Moon Saloon so then somebody asked if they could play over there so we moved the gear over literally across the street and then when fish played there the place was headed up to stuff anyway in band played to about you know I don't know eight or ten people every night for three nights in a row or something and people were just common two years eve in Worcester mass over the next few years Shapiro who was a Michigan State Undergrad and then a law student taped a fair number of gigs small rooms it was easy for them to walk around and see who is out there and meet people and they were always interested in the recording the band had come to appreciate the role that cassette tape and that's how music around and when we played in Colorado in nineteen eighty eight and we played four shows and telluride and explaining it in Providence at the Campus Club on March Thirteenth Nineteen ninety-two before ultimately encouraging fans to share it on tape finally got back to Mike and said well I don't have a tour but you can compla- here and maybe I can pick one or two other places and so we had this big meeting and I had a fulltime job at that time experiment with that feedback loop where they knew they did certain things on one night march sixth and seventh Portsmouth that by the time they arrived interesting sociological experiment to find out how quickly word can spread anyway but I explained that the portion of the shows a creature from Mars Train Mike they actually smash their guitars together words together you know and something got caught trae pulled the jokes from two weeks or two months before on the other side of the US we'll talk more about the secret language in a later episode but here's Trae you use that fact and kind of experiment with it and they like we were amazed that that would happen that people you go across the country and people would know the inside okay I'll take it very quickly here would explain it shows is that we have a little secret language A and and they finally back to him and he's like well I didn't book tour but you can come play in my club if you want you know and this was like the day before we were supposed to go and he at the campus club in Providence or you know California that the fans already knew the secret language and that can only happen through the taping and they would actively convenes I'm GonNa talk and then or any of us do that this means I'm GonNa talk if I do a certain signal that means this is basically your own bikes in our own. PA In our own white show Paul made a point to carry the spare parts needed to fix any of these on the fly as well as the that's it for them so is it time friends and stuff he recalls that the ban members took an interest in his efforts it wasn't unusual trae Mike particularly would pop out for every pair of socks purchased Baba's donates a pair to someone in need designed with special comfort innovations colors patterns lengths and styles has to draw your attention to the fact that something is about to be said now one thing that might be sad is this into some town providence or something and some guy comes off the street he's never seen finish before and walks in and he's standing there watching this concert and suddenly in middle of some big jam hundreds of people all go simultaneously or the other thing that can happen and this is what we were doing if I go like this area and the other one is this one oh simultaneously sing a random my new favorites are there new Merino wool socks designed to be breathable dry and never itchy with just the right amount of thickness I wear them every day and I'm in what are we have there's five of this one to everything to what that's supposed to tell you to do is turn around and look at Paul and Cheer at Paul if he's the bad shop at Bombay Dot com slash long run that's bombast dot com slash long run to save twenty percent let's to his soundboard but this came to an end in nineteen ninety-one not because the band had outlawed but because some of the more aggressive tapers were inhibit they're made from super soft natural cotton and every pairs designed with arch support a seamless tall and a cushioned footmen that supportive but not too thick the people doing that and you know the ban was definitely not against putting soundboard tapes out there but it was unworkable basically I definitely did hey you're recording oh cool does look like Nice Mike how are your tapes and they were really interested in it they would ask God last night out the night before turn out Hod Virginia turn out like walkaway in between sets you know and then come back and find somebody had plugged in something into the single chain so I was not too happy about that kind of thing Boura few years Paul Languedoc provided tapers with acts bamboos are perfect for the whole family get your hands on a pair of Bomba socks and your feet will thank you Baba's has donated over twenty million pairs and counting right simultaneously so that will leave the people who don't know what's going on standing up with all these people around the so the other things that can happen are just quickly hear what it is if I go like this anytime during the night page goes like this all was no longer providing patches he was recording the shows and the band would occasionally circulate his soundboard tapes you've got even doc so the number one most requested clothing item in homeless shelters will bomb us is on a mission to change that they created the most comfortable socks in the history of feet getting his ability to do his job I only had one set of outputs on the soundboard and it was just a dinky little soundboard and then so people had to chain off other people were bringing in tape decks they plug into the wall you know with set tapes Predappio and everything but you know people would start to get into fights for these tape deck anyway hey can I plug into your board tonight can I plug in and there was an accelerator plug in the back of my lighting console that didn't have a US often showy while these days it's incredibly easy for someone to discover fish through an online platform shelly culbertson began using the Internet as a graduate student at Berkeley in the eighties and continued when I finished school a time particularly usenet newsgroups and I was grateful dead fan so there was a newsgroup about the grateful dead and some people in it started talking about fish and I was interested and I went to see them for the first time in April of nineteen ninety one and his own lighting board back then when we were still allowing people to plug in some guy came up to me before the show when among grateful dead fans so it was normal for people to be sharing fish tapes and fish of course encouraged taping which was wonder up for fall fish tour when I'll be sure to wear them night in night out my feet will thank me you can save twenty percent on your first purchase earn or now and then somebody would try to patch in to the signal chain unplugged something in my soundboard and then plug some adaptor in there which I couldn't have fall and helped the music spread organically one of the places where shelly connected with fellow fans was the usenet newsgroup is one of the rare individuals who did just this nearly thirty years ago I was introduced to fish by the Internet the way I had things cable yes sure dude go ahead plug on an and that lasted for about half of the amy's farm whatever if the band like the show like the tape they would put it out and distributed and they realized that was the word of mouth and you know they would distribute that eventually nineteen ninety-four Paul's two track tapes which still got made fairly regularly because the band would use them to reference and listen to and they would often if they like to show usually come see fish are going to get in on this language it's kind of a thing and the whole concept here is that someday we go into we with new groups only created through direct appeal to an administrative body followed by a Community Vote David Steinberg a board member of the market I song and I'm sure what he was hearing on this tape was probably something like Boo boo although with the Internet that coalesced into tape trees basically right blanks and postage I'll make you a recording if blanks and postage so they would give the tape to somebody is a lot of general surprise when the fans of fish successfully met the criteria to create a new newsgroup given the low profile of the band at that time in comparison with the other bands that had dedicated newsgroups put it out in the public and that happened regularly so a great show and they would walk away a Roxy Ninety three or you know so many great shows bird foundation a fan run charitable organization that Supports Music Education for children who we met an episode to remembers at the as opposed to having to kind of carry on side conversations in newsgroups that were more general it all kind of fit that it's a lot of things that would now be deliberately included in a media strategy but that was really at the international beer garden capacity was four hundred people I'd already listened to tapes because tape trading was called chance Sherrod as a group and shared with the band and really none of it was calculated even though these days with the northbound is wreck music fish and it was a vicious fight because they were strong gatekeepers they're like no gotta prove to us this actually is the upping newsgroup and somehow they managed to say no this worthing and it became literally the fourth band together experience that we all have now with social media and grassroots campaigning and you know flash events and things will so by nineteen ninety I was using the Internet on a regular on a daily basis even though I don't think most folks were at that meanwhile Chris Kuroda who has been running fishes lights since one thousand nine hundred eighty nine recalls that few people couldn't distinguish between the soundboard the case with fishes encouragement shelly would occasionally share tapes with the community by seating tape trees in which time there were three bands are considered worthy to be a wreck band wreck music grateful Dead Rock Music Bob Dylan and Wreck Music Beatles the then hunter who co manage the group with John Paluska in the late eighties comments that was kind of the logical surprise that's one way that people like to be included as you know people like a surprise party and then especially since the band started in the eighties when this together you know the way that fishes audience grew organically and different things that the audio a straighter Aka the route would make copies for branches who would then make copies other branches who would eventually make copies for leaves who would make no copies wreck dot music dot fish which was often referred to by the acronym our MP used that newsgroup was an early version of a message board go everybody's supposed to suddenly fall down onto the ground like it's not something you do you know the simpsons thing there homer Simpson of if I do that now the whole idea here is if you get most of the people that reported on a tape or something so I don't have to keep explaining did you know that Michael and as I said we don't let fish talk because he talks about so it's basically a little musical language going on here a cut scream routes that's outgrew on route route doc so that's newsgroup and it became more popular newsgroups they proved it old I would covet those things and I would plan for people but I wouldn't let anybody else touch ID that was the thing that I was the most into so the use of Oh progression of tape trading in a certain way I think prior to that people were passing around the tapes and I mean in the early days when I was trying to get taped those were like gold yeah beneficial thing in the fall of Nineteen ninety-three Mike Gordon renamed the fish update the Donnie acsh- vice they had this channel their fans they publicized it that brought more people to the list which also brought more people to the band and it was really it was definitely a mutually added to discussing the band topics of discussion include set lists and comments from recent shows questions and answers about song titles lyrics core eight of collective sense of involvement which I think is kind of at the core of how the foundation of the audience at their place of work it has only been in existence for about three months new people are joining all the time has it's wonderful music but at the same time there were a lot of forces that really supported the sense of belonging in the community and it's kind of wonderful how long that has persisted as well Shelly soon became an administrator on a new list serve channel communication than a newsletter or anything like that so it became a really interesting virtuous cycle because we put out this list they discovered that was built obviously the audience also built because they're a phenomenal band and they're amazing musicians and you know people enjoy the music because proudly proclaimed hey college students get on the fish net what is the fish not the fish net is a nationwide computer message base too around and both the tape trading and later the Internet those were the absolute most important ways for the word to get out there along with Matt Lawrence who we met an episode one although this was not an official fish run enterprise the November December nineteen ninety-one issue of the fish update acquire live fish tapes who's on it right now about one hundred people most or college students some are people that have computer access arts reports of wild events like trae rollerblading through the crowd and lots more they're also announcements of tape trees an easy way to a pivotal in their success and they're continuing to grow their following and obviously that pre staged everything that's going on and it just kind of what felt right and helped to break down the barriers between the band and the audience to create day with the Internet and everything is available with a click of button now but that was not a foregone conclusion thirty years ago at all and again that's and then stops ringing I love doing it you will now it's on the computer but you know otherwise of the piece of paper I just spew it's just stream of consciousness for people who are younger to recognize that you know how important that was when you went to see a band you might see which he would later claim in his response to a fan letter and I quote is the feeling you get when you're with your keys to get in your house and the phone rings had a chance to see them or hear their music again for a year or years you know and at that point fish was a phenomenon that was largely undergrad this but one idea will lead to another and they would say okay we need to name something festival or whatever and I would sit there there was actually one time I actually had an office and I was just doing my own work in the fish office but the kept coming into my room with things to name so I put up a plaque on the door you know Mike Gordon Lawrence reflects on the impact of the fishnet it was prescient they realized the power of this potential channel of communication with their fans and this really more direct tamer of things. I didn't always get my name in there but I love to do this brainstorming by this time shelly was working out of the fish office as even after she took over the band's in house ticketing initiative meanwhile even though this was a printed newsletter it provided a back and forth communication manager John Paluska first full time employee although she would continue to maintain steady presence on the fish net answering questions and providing general information come together and just like how much information can dance in front of you in a good magazine so it was a promotional tool because we could put our calendar dates out and some merchandise when I was one of the big kind of laying things out person and piecing it together I like a magazine because it's a place where so many different things with fans somewhat akin to a social media platform of the present I loved doing the Doni vice there were several episodes involved but earlier communication with their fans back and forth but we certainly enjoyed making it our own fish emphatically made it their own in the February nineteen ninety-three newsletter. Mike's Latest answer to the question regarding the lyrics to you enjoy myself was water Ashley you drive Ferenza They Sang Elfin every issue I would answer ten different ways but I guess the point is we had a lot of fun with it two different mediums in a way to reach the fans and we're not the first band to have that kind of in my house there's some heated competition for available audio which is why we have three separate Sono Students Sonos team in a beehive on essential then when fish opened their latest tour in Portland Maine at the Portland Expo rather than for every letter that came in and when I wanted to stop the been said no and I said well Kinda just do the ones that have a question and they were like nope just answer every one and even if someone said we've been enjoying for quite a few years now every Sonos speaker is designed from the inside out for incredibly detailed sound and deep bass then find you guys are sending great I would send them a thank you letter and traded fish profiles and there's just a lot of funny stories around this you know like everyone wanting to know the words do you enjoy in a few minutes you're playing music TV podcast and more sonos works with all your streaming services and control is simple with the APP your voice round sound system for Home Theater or compact speakers for every room I heartily endorse it it'll make your life easier more entertaining and I promise it sounds real sweet. The band continued to develop strategies beyond the seating of tape trees to utilize the Internet in order to share live performances and Amazon Alexa Google Assistant Apple airplay to and more wirelessly connect speakers to create your perfect sounds whether that's us ace but I really like doing the corner and fighting against vicious forum back and forth and answering letters that would go in the donate exercise you know and I used to and the band and their compositions and work ethic and their dedication and unbelievable unlikely level of improvisation probably the largest contributor whether it be through taping through Internet through word of mouth through any number of other fan methods but all the Sir soon by Oscar and Grammy Winning Producers Mixers in artists starting your system is easy just plug Sonos in an open the APP for step by step instruction took place through a relationship with the digital retailer emusic Kevin Shapiro looks back as far as I recall was national skills the synergy with the audience is really the crux of the biscuit of the fish experience I mean that's the most unique thing that's going on and I think wanted happens and when it's fast it's other worldly. Their initial efforts were innovative if largely overlooked the first ship with fishes manager when he returned from Stanford in the summer of nineteen ninety four he joined the burgeoning home team Jason Remembers the screen downloadable songs recorded live in concert that very same day Jason Colton I saw fish as a Massachusetts high school senior in nineteen ninety following a chance meeting with John Paluska after calling the band's office to purchase a t shirt before leaving for college Jason Developed a working relate upload six songs the big New Year's Eve set had to MP threes or to whatever the file type was that was uploaded and so we're down to pick Cyprus since live music is at the heart of the fish experience over the course of the nineteen nineties enough to give it a go and what we did was after each set I think they're five sets big Cyprus we with MTV VJ Adam Curry and Cornell Undergrad Brad Sterling my best friend in college grew up in the town of Woodstock model and the bandwidth to launch live fish as a proper ongoing concern was still three years away that story begins rapper that prevented piracy or something and approached us about doing this for free and and hosting and on our website and I think we thought it was a little gimmicky but just interesting amble big Cyprus as a harbinger for what was to come somebody had approached us some tech company that had built some kind of drm some digital yard with the white tape in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight I think that was the first thing on emusic and then right around October ninety nine right around Halloween if not on Halloween we put out the things are of the same ilk and they're about the center Ju- between the band and the audience and it mirrors the synergy that we you know so crave the live shows and that we eat up so in nineteen ninety show from Colorado College over emusic and I think that that was the first full concert transmitted over the Internet in a commercial day it was a I it was a breakthrough two months later fish became the first band to offer banner at the original Woodstock that's what would load when you first went to Woodstock Dot Com in August of ninety four then we did Grammy Dot Com in ninety five and that was thing or not but that was our first variety into offering live fish however the vision the business lawsuit over a domain name Viacom claimed that they had no idea he registered MTV DOT com so they settled out of court and the money from that settlement over MTV DOT COM `puter center in the Cornell Business School because they had the best connection aside from the computer science building and we clicked on MTV DOT COM sawn formation about woodstock ninety four and while he enjoyed his new job circling who was an active taper of live shows came to realize that his workload limited his is what funded on ramp which was the first company that I worked at and the first project was actually woodstock so I started like the week before Woodstock Ninety and event from just trying to keep track of everything that's going on and we had committed to this digital initiative where we had to drive somebody from our office head and it happened to be the day that Adam Curry quit. MTV Ache went on the air and posted this thing on MTV dot com which he owned the domain name which actually ended up being the first cameron we're chatting he sees that I had a little steal your face grateful dead sticker on my IBM thinkpad is like Oh you're dead who started talking about Jerry. Jerry was still alive to drive like thirty minutes to a place that had fast enough bandwidth for us to upload these tracks we told fans they'd be available within two hours after the show I don't know if we made that time hoardings bread also received consent from bands such as the grateful dead and fish to place the audio files on the server for noncommercial use really what sparked my interest grammy's were a client and we went out to the shrine in La in February of ninety five and we built the site Grammy Dot Com four I wasn't able to go to the show but I was building Woodstock Dot Com and one of the first thing that I remember doing was posting this little a U. Clip of Jimi Hendrix playing the Star spangled ability to trade tapes with his friends however he recognized that his new employer had plenty of available bandwidth and he received permission from curry to host lived across the hall from Me Freshman Year and always borrow my dad tapes and he was looking for information on Woodstock Ninety four and we will go into the to accomplish with mugs dot net and recognized that sterling might be able to help so we reached out how you doing this and Paul Languedoc the and it's new years one thousand nine hundred nine seventy five eighty thousand people on site and were in the thick of it it is really as engaging and chaotic then in one thousand nine hundred seven he decided to move the files to his own site and I was flying back from the great wet I'm looking out the window and just like I'm hit become better and better at creating these live mixes with audience mixed in for atmosphere and everything who's making these incredible live recordings of every show so then it was just about figuring out how to do it frankly one of media complication is that just as the idea started to coalesce in the fall of two thousand offering entire live shows John Paluska who managed the band from Nineteen eighty-nine through their second hiatus in two thousand four noticed what Brad had been performance at shoreline amphitheatre on October seven which later became known to fans as fishes I last show I can wait about ten frames a second the postage stamps size video and we had the little camera set up so like David crosby walks off stage and sits down for kind of like plan out this fish downloads program we had a meeting a band meeting it was a critical decision on the band's part two it goes Asian of Canaan position where we are now this name is actually really valuable but that's not what I was thinking of time I just thought it was a cool play on words like nuggets and a network of nuggets so following their experience sharing audio from big Cyprus fish decided to move from posting individual tracks for every show I think there was a realization that having to determine right after a show whether show is worthy was not something that they wanted to do sat on the side of the stage at the shrine when the artist would come off after winning their award would sit down and chat with them in a chat room and we were broadcasting we had this little seamy camera which was a Ryan fish was about to go on hiatus still John and Jason Discuss potential future plans with Brad when the band traveled to northern California for but Brad remained in touch and two years later the proper moment arrived when we knew the ban was coming back in December of two thousand and two we were able to really crystalline. It's amazing I'm still alive you know I've been in jail I kicked addiction it was a very funny rock and roll mode but I knew that that right there that moment was exactly what I wanted to do with the rest of my life brothers which was then part of AOL Time Warner Presentation of what I thought life it should be it was basically an over number two thousand one conveniently overlapping betrays oyster head tour for a meeting with Bish Management and representatives from Electra and Parent Label Warner Network and it's nuts dot net so it was a nice catchy name and I I didn't even think of the time how valuable it would be as short url and I certainly wasn't thinking about the you so it was you know a little bit of a leap of faith to be like let's put out every

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Shrine Bell Story Time - Popcorn-Eating Squirrels Chapter 12

Inspiring Adventure by Vertebrate Publishing

05:59 min | 10 months ago

Shrine Bell Story Time - Popcorn-Eating Squirrels Chapter 12

"Welcome to shrine bell story time. I'll be reading to you every day from popcorn eating squirrels by Matt Dickinson. Back if you want to share any of your pictures of salty. Cassie Ben Alfie. Why not send them to us at Bray that's all a at the Hyphen Publishing? Dot Co Dot. Uk and we'll feature wrath favorites over on our instagram facebook and twitter accounts. Forget if you fancy reading along with us you can order popcorn. Eating squirrels of the world unite from Shrine Bell Dot Com Chapter Twelve. David doodle danger. Squirrels emerged from the hiding place. Keeping a safe distance from Donnie dope. Doodle gave them the evil is. Nigel held him by the scruff of his neck. We're in big trouble now than said. His voice trembling salty snorted probable push. She thinks that Nigel obey head. But I know better you see. Nigel is my Powell. Isn't that Right Nigel? The oldest story went deathly quiet for a few seconds wrong soaked. He said salty went Pale wrong. He standpoint how do you mean they is dog? Eat Dog world. Nigel said Ou should. I say Dog Squirrel. Nigel released his on Donny. Attack the day doodle lunged the squirrels scattered boy. Nigel yelled get so to ease the one she seen. I'll go get your traveling gauge bench. Shot up the wall. Cassie sprinted between two rows of seats Donnie picked Casio with the delighted. Yelp his razor sharp teeth snapping. Cassie could feel the heat of his evil breath puffing against her back no uh by say the Gobi One Nigel cold. Donnie switched to salty sweat flying as he shot down the aisle. That's eight salty puffed his tongue hanging out but on the weakest link. Why don't you Donnie? Glance to his left something had caught his high. Alfie had placed a popcorn. Continente his head and was stunned. Ding quivering on a seat. Muttering over and over Doni Spun Unto Mighty Leap. His Joe's opened wide AU fait than screened. He grabbed his young friends by the scruff and yanked him back is Danni snapped it. Ben Pushed out through the doorway into a room where a huge role of movie film was being rewound onto a spinning table. Kazumi Alfie gasped. The thin film was moving high. Speed leaping this way in that across the system of little wheels cassie came into the projection room. Second later with salty counting at the rear up then said he led the way up the moving strip of film. It was hard work like trying to run the wrong way up. An escalator don't Iranian and leaped onto the spinning ten table. His legs a blur for few crazy seconds. All five creatures sprinted at high speed going precisely nowhere like hamsters running inside a wheel. Then cassie jumped. She cried hitting elite. Them bringing the project to rewind to a sudden jarring halt. Donnie was bundled onto the floor. Jumbled into twisty straightjacket of plastic film so long suckers salty exclaimed he dashed onto the room scrambled up curt and don a bit himself free and gambled absent. Hot Pursuit. Alfie Ben Cassie followed on hiding behind some seats in the auditorium as they watched the chase salty was halfway up the cut and when Donnie shook the cloth with his teeth. The overweight squirrel bugged awkwardly. Down Gimme a break Paul. Salty beg scrambling Haya the velvet. Ripta's his claws stuck in. Donnie climbed off to him. Pumping his stills on the fabric and rising up in a series of lunging bites. Come watch casting methods Alfie Covet. His face salty took a desperate jump for the goal above him. Johnny swiped to poor clipping salty. New Salty cried. He missed the Gago by Klaus length and spun towards the ground got. Nigel said he snatched salty answer. The ask thrust him into a cage and slammed the door. Nigel snapped to the hefty. Pavlak shots they exhausted Donnie flips down from the curtain and got an affectionate pat for means master while done leads. Nigel said we've got the ringleader on the others will be running for their lives if they know what's good for them advocacy and then we'll take this past down the rubbish dump Donnie contact with pleasure. See how we get some with rats third. We'll be back tomorrow for Chapter Thirteen of Popcorn. Eating squirrels at the World Unite by bestselling author Matt Dickinson brought to you by shrine bell and vets break publishing.

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How Big Tech is combating white nationalism, vaccine myths, and other viruses

Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter

41:28 min | 1 year ago

How Big Tech is combating white nationalism, vaccine myths, and other viruses

"The bad. This is here NCW March madness. Takes the courses the big, Dan. So miss a moment of the action on TBS CBS TNT and true TV and download the March madness live up to watch every game anywhere at anytime. Live. To another wild week four big attack. And how it is shaping all our lives there. We're going to connect the dots between all of the week's media and technology headlines. I'm Brian seltzer. And welcome to reliable sources podcast this weekly podcast in between. Our Sunday television program is a chance to go more in depth with media leaders and newsmakers Puckett about how the media world works. Sometimes doesn't work and these days, it's really all about the media's intersection with the Silicon Valley. Giants the apples, and the those the Facebooks and the Twitter's here to talk through all the reason headlines make a little bit of news is over overdosing and Donio Sullivan to my colleagues here at CNN who cover this world day in day out guys. Welcome back. Thank you. I'm q- over you've been paying close attention to what Facebook is or is not doing about vaccine misinformation. I thought that'd be an interesting place. Start. Because a lot of the conversations we have about big tech and how they are managing or mismanaging their platforms. That's misinformation and this anti vacs crap. That's out there that spreads on social media. That's now a real area of focus for government officials and for journalists who were asking why these companies aren't doing more right and Facebook decided that they were going to do more, right? The on on March seventh. I believe really this month. They had announced that they're taking all this action against vaccine misinformation that was really flourishing on both Facebook and Instagram, but it seems that while they put up this nice puffy press release, and they got a lot of positive press forward initially. They haven't really followed up with some very basic steps to curb vaccine misinformation last week, I noticed that on Instagram and Facebook, if you still search vaccine in the search bar, you got a lot of results for pages that spread all sorts of misinformation things like vaccines. Kill vaccines. Autism et cetera et cetera. And so I contacted Facebook I contacted Instagram, and I got a message back basically saying that there are going to be doing a lot of things in the long term because it's a long term process. But in the short term that we blocking at least some of the vaccine misinformation hashtags things that are like vaccines cause autism was one of the hashtags. Specifically, they told me that man that said, I just probably put this podcast went on went on and looked on Instagram. Search and you know, the top hashtag result was vaccines. Kill. I don't know for the life of me, what is taking them. So long to take this action saying why is it so hard, right? The company's always say it is really hard. He now on March seventh, and we're taping this on March twenty nine it's been the better part of a month. But but donate to be fair to the company. This is really I don't say it's other hard problem to solve this other problems are hard. But. This one isn't as black and white as others. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, it's it's not it's not easy to please applaud form of, you know, billions of people would billions of posts every day that being said, they did build it. So they have a responsibility to, you know, make sure it's in some way user sponsor, what Oliver said about, you know, just those simple things that journalists like us who aren't very technical can go in like users and type in something, you know, what did you type in? You know, like, you would think that that could be when the first things on their list to say, okay, we need to figure on day one. They're announcing this getting all positive press. And the first thing they should do is just search vaccine and be like vaccines kill that might be vacc- misinformation. The reason why this matters so much right now is because of this measles emergency that we are seed in parts of the country serious. Outbreaks of measles linked to the lack of axons. So this is a very urgent issue right now. Right. I actually would take issue. I think this one's actually pretty black and white at least after they announced that they're going to get in the business of they say, they're going to do it right after they've said, they're going to do it. You would think that have a quick outline of action. We're going to take and you would think that the action they were gonna take would be to curb the most popular hashtag and our platform. That says vaccines kill people. Maybe I'm missing something. I was speaking to somebody just last week in DC us in cybersecurity. And does a lot of work with the with the government? And they were saying, you know, this is actually something on these forms. That is literally killing people. You know, we we parse a lot about, you know, political speech and things like that. But this is something where people are actually getting his information and deciding not vaccinate their children. So, you know, the fact even the fact that it took them this long to act. I mean, this was not a new issue. Right. It's been around for a long time. The fact that the announcement came in the past month or two same thing would white nationalism same thing, even with the the housing odds, they make they've made a series of announcements in the past months all these announcements, and I can understand it from a perspective of a company. That's under intense scrutiny. They'll always make the announcement and say, and we're starting to do it now. So it gives them a lot of buying time. So this week when they said, we're banning white. Naturalism? They said starting next week. We're bounding white nationalism. And then you go follow up with them. And you say, well, a lotta white nationalist, speak, even in that in even in that New Zealand suspects manifesto, a lot of the a lot of the talk was in code Certa, you know, slang said are you guys going to ban the slang? The because that's how these guys really communicates look into that too. You know what I mean? So, you know, it's it's it's very it is not easy. And I think we should we should stress that. But then you ask them for what's the actual plan and the eater either don't want to give us the details or they don't have the details. But also if they give us too much, and we publish it. Then the bad actors are going to how to get around it. So right, let's drill down deeper on this white nationalism angle because this announcement from Facebook came, you know, less than two weeks after the massacre of the mosques in New Zealand. This was something the company's been under pressure about for for a while. Does it seem like New Zealand tipped this over and forced action? So I mean, it's hard to believe it. Hasn't it? You know, the company told us that this had been something in the works for quite some time. And even some of the campaigners on this issue that Facebook had consulted told me that this did seem to be something that was coming. I what those same campaigners to me, though, is that, you know, the New Zealand attack really crystallized why this is such a urgent issue. I mean, you know, you have one side where guys are going to these platforms, and they can get radicalized there. And then the other side where they're actually using the platforms to promote their horrific attacks. They say they're going to ban very specific language like white separatism is the answer that will cause an account to be banned. But you're more than earlier don't even that the code language, the cynical jokes the sarcasm. We don't know how baseball's going to handle that kind of content. No. And you know, even though Silicon Valley was seen as being very slow initially too. React to the proliferation of Islam stays across across the platforms ad they sort of event, she got their stuff together and they began working together. And and you know, I think broadly that was seen as a success in terms of stamping out. All these groups any praise for his nominated anything like that on a lot of people have said, you guys have to do the same thing white nationalism and to be fair to them. They said this week that they will I will make the point though, that, you know, it's a lot easier for your systems, what are their human moderators or artificial intelligence to spot and ISIS Feick to say, you know, to spot the various terms and hashtags that they were using. Yeah. I mean when it comes to white nationalism for God's sake. You know, we have elected officials who are doing it does. It's a lot more Doug whistles. There's a lot more. There's a lot more nuance today. So I don't know where it starts, and where it ends, frankly, trolling to I don't know if that was necessarily a component to the ISIS thing where people troll. Ling saying they're part of ISIS, and in the same way that people troll. I mean like four Chan I can see having a field day with this and other people just posting stuff. They're going to try to walk right up against the line up their tower the line Facebook does. You know, just the idea of trying to ban an idea. That's that's a Facebook suing there, they say they're going to ban support for an idea a racist idea. It's going to be an ongoing test of the platform. Hey, look, no farther than Thursday night, the president holds a rally in Grand Rapids. And there were a lot of donate. There were a lot of what folks holding on signs and wearing q t shirts, and you know, I see a lot of people a lot of liberals on Twitter up in arms saying, you know, cues taken over the Trump crowd. But you have to wonder how many of those folks in line really believe are going along with this ridiculous conspiracy or doing too as they say trigger delivers the troll. Yes. To throw some of them are showing up with Q a pair for nearly two troll the media. Yeah. And to Detroit as they say, you know, to to drive liberals, not so seriously, the two of you take this Cunanan conspiracy there it does bubble from time to time sometimes at Trump rallies when there seems to be a high number of. Q signs. I mean, there were even signs in the crowd of this most recent rally do take this phenomenon. Seriously, Oliver I think that you have to take it seriously to some extent that are fringe people who believe fringe ideas. But quite frankly, I think that some of our colleagues in the media have put so much emphasis in or or more obsessed with this queue, and and non followers than than there might be actual fall. I mean, I think they've just given it a little too much attention to most oxygen too much oxygen. And they've made it a thing where like Doni was saying people might want troll the media by wearing these Q science because I think it triggers journalists. Yeah. I think it's such a delicate, you know, line two three. For before. I sorta for my sins. I guess was covering online disinformation in trolls fulltime I've worked in the breaking news site things on verifying content from social media, and you know, will often see now when there's a shooting here or terrorist attack will have journalists that are, you know, openly calling out misinformation in the in the first hours of a terrorist attack. And that can be very useful. Particularly, you know, if it's something about misinformation about shooter misidentifying, but I do think some of our colleagues in the media are going step too far. I will see reporters who were flagging tweets, you know, claiming to identify the suspects that and that tweet might come from a random egg account would know followers might have no favorite or no light. But yet the some journalists are gonna fly this and say there's misinformation on the platform. Here's an example of a tweet and they're tweeting that to their one hundred. Thousand followers. You know, at so I think there that's a bit would Q and onto right? But also, it's a challenge of where do you begin to actually report on it as a serious phenomena because I think in you know, in the months after two twenty sixteen election when the intelligence community came out with their report in January twenty seventeen saying Russia had sought to meddle in the election that use social media to do as a lot of folks really didn't take that. Seriously. They were like, you know, what is a few tweets and a few Facebook posts. Got a soccer to change any votes. That's not going to get people out onto the streets. Well, we actually saw we learned that it did get people out onto the streets from Saint Petersburg. Russia troll group was literally organizing rallies, stoking fears and anxieties of Americans and really getting people out into the streets. So, you know, it's it's it's difficult on a lot of a lot of the coverage isn't really any more about the Cunanan. It's not really aimed at like showing people what this is or it's not coming from a critical angle. It's more like an entertainment like, look how stupid these people? Are. They believe this crazy. They really believe in these pedophilia rings involving the Clintons and Democrats dunking on them. And it just it gets a lot of re tweets like people are loved to dunk on these people. They liked to dunk on some wing trolls, I won't mention because they want attention. But I'm not sure if it's great for the discourse to be inflating profile, you matters from a media literacy standpoint, I insofar as I like the way NBC's, Ben. But the other day said, Hugh is something that a late adopter. So the internet sometimes embrace like you're relatively new to the internet. You're not well versed in a decade's worth of internet phenomenon. You know, you log on you, you get into this conspiracy theory, and because the way the thumbs keep servicing it and keep it going you go down this rabbit hole Q shape rabbit hole. That's a media literacy problem, and that's an algorithm problem. The technology companies have I think that's India that to me that's an interesting angle of this that there are a lot of people who are still just kind of coming online for the first time. We're coming online in a bigger way. And I wonder if responsible media companies are making the right kind of content to help them understand what these crazy loony conspiracy. There is our right. Am I getting anywhere is that seems I'm off? It's it's very difficult. Yeah. I think Facebook for the past few years has tried to down rank they've worked with fact checkers. They're trying to down rank, you know, legit like false news object right for high quality news up. Right, right. What's stuff is always going to slip further track? Facebook said recently that the communities don't have enough local news, even surfaced within Facebook. And and we all know that in our guts that local news has been hollowed out. But I think it's also true. Let's take on a subject vaccines. If you wanna find anti vaccine content. There's lots and lots of that on YouTube is there as much pro vaccine content rebutting the conspiracy theories, I'm not sure if there is it's probably certainly not as compelling if there is either right? Like a lot of these conspiracy theories that have colorful characters who spent all day stoking their audiences with with these, you know, crazy ideas, and I each CDC video on YouTube, saying vaccines, don't actually cause autism or. Vaccines are safe for your children, and it's actually videos going be insatiable? Insatiable? It's not gonna be as viral colts around that video. I see this over and over and over again when when there are these, you know. Over-dramatize exaggerated right wing media stories, there isn't an effective counter with accurate information because that's not going to be as interesting as I can spread as viral early. It's not going to be as click a bowl. Let's move to our next topic which is Instagram debating what to do, but I'll Jones because that's related to a lot of ood discussed so far over catch us up on. What was reported by businesses are in this week? So business insider got their hands on these internal emails were Facebook, executives magazines executives are effectively trying to figure out what to do with Alex Jones is presence on Instagram. So he was banned my Facebook from Facebook. But Instagram said he had them violated the rules, and he was going to be allowed to stay on the platform. I I've been following when to time for a while. And he you know, doesn't blatantly violate the world is the same way. He did on Facebook a lot of it is more like. Him. He knows he's like a character of sorts supposed to be ridiculous, and you kind of plays that up on Instagram showing himself with like memes, and and things of that nature, but occasionally he will kind of dabble in some of the conspiracy theories. Racists, you know, sort of things and he did test. If you will live streaming has shown Instagram few months ago. And so these things have raised flags and caused Instagram to come under some scrutiny from journalists. Tailed Laurenz had a piece in the Atlantic last week talking about this and media matters has noted the Instagram's platform of choice in all this is created pressure and Instagram is now figuring out what to do. They don't know what to do because he hasn't broken enough rules for them to kick him off. But they seem to acknowledge behind the scenes, it's not a good look. Right. So should there. Be rules. Are there rules? What are the rules? Are they being enforced equally? That's an issue that we could coming back to in all of these topics and so one of the executives because they can't ban them for breaking the rules because he hasn't broken enough. Rules says that the internal discussions a Facebook about labelling him at hate figure, which would then be warrant allow them to be. So there's discussion about him internally Facebook about labelling him a hate figure which would then allow Instagram to bar him from the platform. And so that gets into all sorts of tricky territory here. Tucker Carlson's voice right now. Right more in about the free speech ramifications of this, right? And look within when info wars reporters, I should I call them reporters know, they call themselves reporters when info wars personalities confronted me couple of months back. They were claiming that I wanted them d- platform. And I said, I don't know. I don't have the answers for these issues. I think it's incredibly donated said, oh, it's very complicated. Right. It's a slippery slope to it's a very slippery slope. And especially when you, sir. I mean, just it's if you take a step back for a second and think how far face because come says, the twenty sixteen election. He said, we don't be an editorial company where we're tech platform. Now, they're deciding what is our political water. Not there. Working in fact, checkers to work on. What is true? And what is not they're saying, what is white nationalist? And why does not? And now, they're even talking in this space of you know, hate figures. I it's it's they've come. So. Not too late the business insider emails that they got. This was not like, oh were just casually talking Instagram or Facebook told me that they are actually discussing this. And when they have a conclusion, and when they reach it about whether that he should be labeled a hate figure. They'll get back to me. So this is actively happening behind the scenes, it's kind of nuts. It is interesting to see Facebook and Instagram treating themselves so separate entities you. Yeah. Facebook owns Instagram. Oftentimes, you'll see when when Facebook makes movements and sort of coordinated behavior, you know, when they take down Russian Iranian pages. They take it across both platforms as consumers, you know. We're all the time. Facebook is driving us to connect our Instagram and Facebook accounts. So it's interesting to see when they take, you know, a figure off Facebook, they say, okay. Well, because he broke these rules, but they then they that doesn't. Because they were talking about kind of unifying these platforms at least behind the scenes, right? So if you have Facebook, you can mess than someone Instagram WhatsApp, you can mess with some Facebook. So it's going to be kind of interesting if they are allowed to have these different rules. I think the big headache for Facebook is going to be an it's related to Mark zuckerberg's announcement to few weeks ago, where he said we're going to be a privacy driven company, and where you know, he said we've built in wood Instagram and Facebook, the digital town square. So groups would thousands of people are open feeds where everybody's coming to get her out. He says people which is correct people are now moving into smaller more private messaging spaces, which I think he called digital living rooms. We've seen that these digital living rooms in other countries where what's happ is being used. What's at being owned by Facebook? These are actually pretty big, you know, you can have hundreds of people and a what's up group would no moderation at all whatsoever. The shouldn't be called living-rooms, frankly, they're they're more like privates. You know stadiums. And. But what closed out from law enforcement, right and then sharing sharing memes and starring lies insurance mirrors, in some cases. Yeah. And so what what's up what's up point out that, you know, most of our most people communicate on what's up one to one, you know, they're pretty small groups. But a lot of people are in these huge groups, which we have seen of cause massive problems in India, quote, zap is an encrypted messaging service. I mean, I think as consumers all of us would like the idea that, you know, all our communications are encrypted insecure and campy read by Facebook. But then you look at the New Zealand video and Facebook, you know, after initially missing that the the life feet from the suspect in New Zealand's, they worked all we can they said they took down one point five million copies of the video. And then they sort of bragged about how much work they were doing to take that down there. They've nothing to stop the spread of that on Facebook on what's up? Well, it can't because then that would be reading the messages they would so that would violate the whole core. But this is what they're trying to do. But. This is I mean this, and this is a thing that they're going to have to deal with it. Right. You don't join a predecessor Marie that Facebook is kind of both a phone company and a media company when you're media company, you have to enforce standards enrolls if your phone company no-one expects AT and T to cut off your phone call. If you're being a racist using using words on the phone with your friends. Well, Facebook wants to be more of a phone company. It sounds like they want to have you have these private conversations, and thus they don't have to worry about what's being said. While still monetize it, of course, the montage yet. Let's say quick break here. More about Facebook, also Google apple lots more talk about here on the reliable sources podcast in just a moment. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place. You can go were hiring is simple, fast and smart that place ZipRecruiter with their powerful matching technology. Ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job ZipRecruiter is so affective that eighty percent of employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day and right now listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at this exclusive web address ZipRecruiter dot com slash prob-. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash PR. OB? Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. And we are back here on reliable sources podcast. I'm Brian Stelter here with Donio Sullivan and Oliver Darcy to CNN reporters who cover. This intersection this collision between media and technology. Donate tells about this lawsuit. The you mentioned earlier involves hood versus Facebook. Yes. This came as a surprise to Facebook this week. I think a lot of your listeners might recall in Facebook on a bit of trouble year or two ago when it emerged there is lots of different issues with there is but one basically that landlords were using Facebook's ad targeting tools to. You know, purposely only targets ads for accommodations to certain people. So, you know, some not Nord's might only one to advertise the white people or two people of a certain class or background. And you know, I think groups like propublica nutters, very quickly hopped on that sense. That this is a major issue journals call it out so in the past few weeks, Sheryl Sandberg actually put her name on a blog post that was put out by Facebook. Which is quite significant. A lotta times Facebook will put a blog post. You know, sorta anonymous attributed just to a spokesperson, but Sheryl Sandberg put her name to this where they said, they had come to an arrangement with ACLU and other groups who had taken issue at this sort of discriminatory policy to work to improve it into Brenda Vermont again. And then just a few weeks later, HUD, comes out and sues Facebook for all these issues. So it's I I know from speaking to people at Facebook is they, you know, I think they really. They can't catch a break at this point. They thought they had I think appeased likes of folks at and some of their archers critics then for Ben Carson's department to turn around and sue them. It does seem like every day. There's another headline about Facebook doing something or being out of combat or something you tweeted out right before we came downstairs. Take this podcast. The Facebook has taken down yet. Another round of will they call inauthentic counts. Right. What are in authentic accounts in this case in the Philippines? Yes. Facebook has found a whole bunch of accounts and Facebook groups, which I think are going to be the real new battleground of disinflationary these private groups where it's again, it's this quasi townsquare slash living room. But Facebook has been working over the past eighteen months to take down accounts that look like they're run by activists and certain parts of the world, including the US. But are in fact, run by oftentimes state actors in a different part of the world. So it can be. We've seen a lot of content come down from Iran from Russia. And in this case, the Philippines, which is the the guy who they say was behind the council's actually linked to the president there. That's notable because in the Philippines Maresca the head of rap ler. She has been arrested repeatedly by the Philippine government. She has called out Facebook saying that misinformation about her attacks against the press have been spread on Facebook, and she's linked to the Philippine government. So once again, we see Facebook trying to play whack a mole against these you know, off offensive accounts. What's incredible is we do see these announcements from Facebook every two or three weeks where they say we have taken down five hundred accounts run by Iranians forty accounts run by the Russians of a. If you look back over the past eighteen months, it is now thousands tens of thousands of accounts, right? Reaching at this point. I would say hundreds of millions of people or possibly, you know, maybe even a majority of the people on the platform having some way encountered these accounts that have been run for years by state-linked actors, and there's never going to be a way for us to truly comprehend our measure, what impact that has had undescored in this country and globally and all the things we look at of of the rise of nationalism boat here and in Europe breaks and everything else. You know, how much of that was actually stoked by fake accounts. It's almost something people who couldn't believe, you know, if you years ago like people would literally say as I said earlier, what's a few stoop is tweets and Facebook posts going to do you see it on this scale? I think. I really we really need to think about about what that's done to all of us change the discourse. And that's true on Twitter as well. Let's such on one Twitter headline from this week in the company is saying that it's thinking about what to do when world leaders like maybe President Trump tweet out something that would normally violate the company's policy. What is it that they say they might try to do? They might try to wrap it in contextualized information and some sort of label. I think say, I'm not quite sure. And they don't seem to know yet either. But it's interesting that their knowledge that they're thinking about what to do with regards there dehumanisation policy. If a world leader posts, something that's dehumanizing Twitter is not gonna take it down because they have a world leader policy. Right. But they also there's other. Basically said he said an interview with Ashley Feinberg, what was it that she asked him if he had instructed people to kill journalists whether he would take down, and he had come up with a response to remember donate what the response was. It was something like that. Certainly something we look at their looking looking looking lots of things it is interesting though, that there's a two tiered standard that Jack Dorsey effectively acknowledged that if you are in a certain position in public life that you have different rules that apply to you could argue if you win the votes tens of millions of people, then maybe you do have that different platform. I it's only interesting too because Trump always claiming that the double standard against him. Right, right. A lot of conservative leaders say, oh, you're you're censoring, the president's son, you're censoring, the president censoring, this this bias and the platform and really at least in this case Trump, it seems may have Isla Twitter's rules here and there, and they won't take those things down. And they're basically saying we won't take it down. If you do by the rules because you are president. So he. He does have a double standard it just in his favor. A lot of this could backfire to on the platforms candidates politicians might realize that getting these labels or getting censored some on the platform plays really well with their base. I can see I can see certain members of congress really going up to the line. Doc whistles on white nationalism. Right. And then turning around and going on FOX and saying they Facebook has censored me, right? They've called me how they've labeled me. And then they get twice the amount of followers that had before, you know, because they've got that FOX tension, and they tell their followers got to tell everyone spread the word or they're going to ban us. I mean if I was working in value right now. I would think we're you're sorta damned if you do and your if you don't there's a lot of truth to that really is Google CEO of flew to Washington met with President Trump this week. What did we learn if anything over about the meeting will Google released us, very corporate speak statement, didn't tell us much just basically said they talked about Google and their investment in the US. And and things like that Trump, however tweeted to park colorful statement of sorts saying that he met with Sundar is the president of Google was bothered by this that he didn't even get. Senators tunnel, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you with the CEO who right and one of the things apparently Trump says he brought up was that the conservatives are not treated fairly in the platform, at least in his view, which has been an ongoing theme from Trump and conservatives saying that tech big tack is biased against them. And I'm really curious what that conversation look like internally there, right? Because it's just it's just, you know, we've covered the so many times most of these accusations have no real basis, in fact, or are a lot of times people who don't know even how to the technicalities of using a platform that misconstrued things for bias whore. Dansk Gavino the other day, you know, this is one of Trump's aides who handle social he said that he was being censored by Instagram think was Instagram right Facebook. I think Facebook, you know, he he tried to you know, like or comment on something too many times all of us have experienced as if if I go to throw on Instagram try like five hundred pictures in a row, I'm going to get right? Lynn. But he claimed he was being censored and this. Right. Our stupid. President. You know, I'm sure that Trump's asking Dansk Gavino. Hey, Dan, is this like censorship? But conservatives true, and he's probably saying, yeah, they they ban me. And then that outrageous Trump because didn't Trump I think Trump tweeted about this makes me say they're going to get to the bottom of it makes me sad for a brilliant. Google engineer to have to sink down into the levels of these kinds of issues. But here's what we're Google have mind as we wrap up. This drip lines about the news business. I want to touch on the first is Google now directly paying for local news. I mean, this was a remarkable step companies taking I in a deal of McClatchy to fund the launch of several local news websites. Google mcclatchy. They're going to do with others as well. They say they want to do all around the world, they say they're gonna spend many millions of dollars. Anybody else? A little uncomfortable with the idea of Google Bentley financing news, anybody, well, you know, you're always going to be funded by somebody. I guess aren't you? You're always going to have some you know, goes big. Goes a big sponsor, and that's another way of beans. I mean, I think what what is concerning is this, you know, they're funding. The launch. And you know, might have underwritten it for some time for up to three years makes you wonder what's going to happen. Yeah. I mean, then, you know, do they move on. I mean, we saw a lot of the sort of first iterating of Facebook live shows, you know, Mike, for instance, basically, they blame they blame the the loss of Facebook funding on the flaps. Claps of mother, you might argue that they had some other economic or. Sure that's true, Mike, but it is true. Allow these digital media companies have hitched their wagons to tech platforms and then suffered for it. Yeah. I mean, I I imagine if you looked at the balance sheets for a lot of meteoric are, you know, Ford planning they'll say, and we expect hopefully to get this three million dollar contract from Facebook and Twitter twenty which will help people. Then when Facebook decides we're going to different approach as they often. Do it all these different projects? Then you're in big trouble. I am interested in seeing how this turns out with Google McClatchy. Th there could well be a really important new model here for restoring some of what's been lost and local news. So I don't want to be entirely cynical about it, certainly Google has been blamed a whole lot for some of the damage that's been done a local news. So let's see what they can do in order to to rebuild and that brings us to apple weeks. Other have I of course way back on Monday. I was in Cupertino for for Apple's roll out of the new streaming service and the news plus app, you have been tried as news. Plus, yet avid ten bucks a month. You get a subscription to a bunch of you get access to three hundred magazines and the Wall Street Journal and the Los Angeles Times and a few of websites. This is Apple's way of what they say is reach out publishers, you know, offering a hand in friendship and trying to make the business model work seems like a lot of folks are very. Optical about it. And this may be one of those, you know, let's check back in a year and see if it's working Ziva doing well sorts of things, but the idea of a bundle of news right on your phone is kind of interesting again, it might be another one of these partial solutions to the business model problem. What's the cost that both taking well fifty percent of some of the revenue was oh, so basically, you pay ten bucks a month? And if you spend two percent of your time reading wired magazine wires going to get you know, two percent, but Apple's taking fifty percent of all of the revenue, the one exception to that is if you're wired magazine the ads that use cell inside the news app, you get the revenue from those ads and you sell yourself, but it's definitely complicated. In a lot of publishers like the Washington Post and decided they don't want to be a part of it. They don't think it will help them. I think the next step for this'll be local and regional news though, because we only have the LA times and the Wall Street Journal, I could see smaller papers wanting to get in on this model. Even if it doesn't make them a lot of money still helps slopes a little bit and helps them reach a new audience. Right. Lotta this is about making sure you're able to reach a new audience. I was talking to an executive one of these companies that's participating this week. And there were saying that, you know, there's talk like if you subscribe to apple news, maybe won't subscribe to their actual publication. And their their argument was well, they may see our contents in apple news, see that they liked that kind of content and then what the fuller experience, and then, you know, pay the whatever ten dollars a month to their publication. So you know, you could see that that certainly playing out on apple news. I could definitely see it. There's a different kinds of customers different kinds of things. I'm not convinced lots, but we're going to cancel the Wall Street Journal. And then only read it in the news plus app for ten dollars a month. There might be a few of those I opened that's going to be. Frequent behavior by the way, when I was in Cupertino that apple now has hundreds and hundreds of staffers working on news. And that that I took a step back on that. You know, that's done include senators includes a lot of engineers marketers. We will sell in the news, plus applic-, it's a lot of different kinds of people. But you do get a sense that these two big companies whether it is apple or Google or Facebook or others, they they do have these elaborate projects now, and do you even do you know that at her about bones lower encourage Lauren current, no matter, I just met her. The apple hired her like a year ago from New York magazine, she goes over there should mass as huge team in quiet. And you know, I don't think many people really know exactly what she's doing day-to-day basis. My impression is she. And her colleagues are curated in the the main sections of the news app. So that when you log in your hopefully in theory, getting high quality news and not sensational ridiculousness. I just think it's interesting though, that we are accustomed to knowing that chiefs of the news organizations editors of the Washington Post editors of the New York Times. And apple news has a hugely influential operation, and no one really has ever heard for more on current. She's doing interviews one of the New York Times. So and if you're listening come on the podcast, apple news is done very well to not fall into the trap that Facebook. Did when day I begun to hire moderators. Remember when they had the trending or editors or whatever they had called him at the time. But you know, it was real unions who were curated content for that sidebar that was back in. I think twenty sixteen prior to the election where everything blew up where they said there is an anti conservative bias there. The New York Times huge expose on Facebook before the holidays included that definers the the pub- the policy PR firm that they had hired in DC had sent out this really terrible research documents on apple news, employee's trying to point out. They're supposed liberal bias cease. It was it was it was a it was it was bullshit. Okay. Great. It was supposed to. But it it did it did it did get me thinking that apple news. Now, given that they're putting so much money into this with hiring all these people, and they have humidity's probably does deserve more scrutiny from the press to see how they are actually making these decisions too. You know, what millions of people what news stories they're seeing not seeing when they open up their feet everyday. Right, right. It is interesting though, news was the last thing the Steve Jobs before he died of wanted to get right? He was always frustrated at least, according to the Walter Isaacson biography. He's always frustrated that that was something he wasn't able to work on. And he wanted to make sure that there's some sort of business model for publications moving into the twenty first century and hit thought about it a lot apparently. And so, you know years after his death as I watched us. It's very interesting to see apple seriously trying to do something with news. And you know, the there has been a lot of. Scrutiny about the business model and how it's going to work. But if it does work very interesting, they still can't get up maps, right though. Oh, I don't wanna hear Oliver's rant about apple. My what's your their search function is terrible on I message. You just cannot type in a word and find, you know, the conversation that correlates with that word in a very timely manner. Oliver told me about this. And and and told me to bring it up when I was at apple headquarters, I'm going to have to go to corporate Tino. Now, my second have to do it yourself and Tim cook. And you're outta way to solve the problem. Yeah. Get them to fix maps while you're there. I think the through line here is that with great power comes great responsibility and really complicated questions. Whether that's apple Google Facebook Twitter, Oliver Doni, thanks for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, what's the best platform to find each of you on? What are your? What are your? What's your preferred? Look you up and follow you platform. Why deleted Facebook? He did. I did didn't even notice that says Larry look up on Twitter and my Instagram is. And so Twitter is the place. All right Dorsey at Doni on Twitter. We just can't give it up. Thanks for joining us on this week's reliable sources podcast. We'll see one television this Sunday and every Sunday at eleven AM eastern time on CNN.

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Girls Talkin 'Boys: So ends the Dallas Cowboys season

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Girls Talkin 'Boys: So ends the Dallas Cowboys season

"What's up guys health. Charles meghan. Murray here you are listening to girls. Talking boys in partnership with sb nation as always high live. This isn't the monday s monday of all time. Here we are a work day a cowboys l. End of the season a here. We are is over almost as quickly as it started. I have been doing this for. I don't know how many years at this point and any moons ceases to just shock my system when the season ends. And you're like you're looking around. You're like oh so we're we're done done. We're actually we're done. And then they do the exit physicals and turn all their stuff. And then it's like twiddling my thumbs in mike. Alright so wind. My friends come back again. Like what's the word yes. Also i know it's early and for us. We are recording The previous yvonne sunday. But i don't know how this game will go. But i must say as a retraction has been asked of me. I must do it a sap. I can't sit on it. I can't linger on it Philly for never absolutely never goodbye. no. I'm sorry i thought for a minute but no just just never and you know what never again while Here's the thing that's gonna probably work in your favor. Because they've literally sat doger's. I don't know everyone's like oh look at all schumer to make a prediction to the next day. Power to make a prediction. I feel like you've a good shot at philadelphia losing just like carson wentz scratch. I who it really is like. Who is in. Play jalen hurts. Someone tweeted out. I think it was the ringer. The the will smith neiman. He's like he's sitting in the room by himself. Like looking around the mike bad like that's jalen hurts right now. Who is playing for you. My guy like i. Don't even know raiders active like. It's just i'm sure he is. He should be. But it's just kind of wild. So if i were to make a crazy crazy prediction that well schoeller listening to this that this has happened already. That's what i think. So yes you know. Obviously the cowboys finish their sees. Six and ten and ain't great you guys. It ain't grill. Lou way that garrod us today and just hit. I wasn't rolled. and i. you knew like you saw that pregame video of him. Jerry kind of like tapping it up on the sidelines and whatnot. Sidebar jerry looks like he has like a really has attended like layering situation. I gotta know like i bet. He has like the nicest mask available on the market. Like it's like a n ninety five with like a legacy fancy thing over it. It's probably like a titanium interviews hosted in ninety five like that to wease permeable material on the planet and they put it over the end ninety five and then he's covered it with a very demure Black masks late. So i think this might be wear glasses gates started. Didn't not oh. I don't know what you were talking about with that by the way. Okay i don't know. I didn't see him at the beginning of the aim to be very clear are bring the game. He was wearing glasses in the looked. Exactly like santa clauses and his not the season sir. He wears glasses for years. He his look different. I think a mask or what. They looked tiny. Nast was big and i don't i was just like what is this Those are readers and he's had those for a while but if you think about it makes sense when you haven't seen him for a while b