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Fresh update on "donald trump." discussed on Mike Gallagher

Mike Gallagher

00:36 min | 2 min ago

Fresh update on "donald trump." discussed on Mike Gallagher

"Now, Alicia, I think probably Has a good reason to reject her doctor's explanation that that's the guy. That we should all listen to Matt Taibbi in this report or his column that I saw New York Post said. He writes Politifact, which now basically exists to deflect criticism from the Biden administration rated false the claim that Biden and Harris actually had reservations about the safety of the vaccines. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it. Mm Matt Taibi says Politifact's excuse Is that the then candidates Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, We're raising questions, not about the vaccines themselves. What about then President Donald Trump's rollout of the vaccines, But if Donald Trump tells us I should take that we should take it. I'm not taking it. Uh huh, Politifact said. It's false that Kamala Harris Had reservations about the vaccines. Matt Taibi says. Wait a minute, Politifact says. It's false. What the hell does that mean? That it's okay to have reservations not just about the White House, but about the CDC, FDA, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna and every other institution involved with the vaccine effort. If you don't like or trust the president But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it. Matt Taibbi asks. Isn't.

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President Trump Would've Defeated COVID-19 by Now Compared to Biden

Mark Levin

01:54 min | 15 hrs ago

President Trump Would've Defeated COVID-19 by Now Compared to Biden

"I'm not an anti vax. I know they're out there. And of course they accuse you of this. They're the Anti-vaxxers as I recall all last summer. No, I'm not going to trump and I don't trust him. You know, I'm not going to be vaccine so forth, and now they embrace the trump vaccines like there's no tomorrow. You realize this folks? But for operation Warp speed and President Trump and his entire team His outstanding team that was mocked and mocked and mocked. Including by Quack quack Fauci. I mean, ultimately. We wouldn't have these vaccines as soon as we did. What would Joe Biden be doing now? Have you ever seen incompetence like this before in your life? With such a serious matter. On Donald Trump's watch were hit with this virus. The big issue is Don't call it the China virus. Why? Well, but then you're racist. What came from China? That's right. So he spent weeks on that The outbreak happens in Nancy Pelosi's running around Chinatown in San Francisco and terror. He follow me. Don't hide, Then the number one man. Infectious disease man. Don't wear a mask. I'm sitting there with my medical student. Step daughter and my wife and I said, Okay, we're getting masks. What do you mean, Marc? I'm no doctor. But if he says, don't get a mess, that means we're getting mess. Why? How many surgeons Conduct surgery without a mess.

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Fresh update on "donald trump." discussed on Morning Talk with Martha Zoller

Morning Talk with Martha Zoller

00:33 min | 55 min ago

Fresh update on "donald trump." discussed on Morning Talk with Martha Zoller

"Then instead of bring him in for a hearing and then turn them away. Wow, because only 13% of the people that have been assigned to hearings have checked in with wherever they ended up. To get find out when they're hearing is And of course, that's true. Of course, you send somebody into the country. They're going to disappear. And then you tell him now go check in with your local immigration office and find out when you're hearing is I'm surprised 13% have done it. I want to get those 13% should be legal People see their variant is what I've what I've been saying. That is one of those things that Trump did write that got overshadowed by all of the rhetoric, the games, the back and forth the childish stuff. It's not that he didn't do some good things that he absolutely absolute great things on the border head. He did some great things on the border, but he just he just wouldn't leave other stuff alone. I hear you there, but then is President Biden a grown up? And why would President Biden's first you know somebody's got to stop the cycle? And if he has run as the guy that was more of a grown up than Donald Trump, which he kind of did, then.

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Biden and Democrats Were the Original Anti-Vaxxers, Anti-Mask Wearers

Mark Levin

01:54 min | 15 hrs ago

Biden and Democrats Were the Original Anti-Vaxxers, Anti-Mask Wearers

"I'm not an anti vax. I know they're out there. And of course they accuse you of this. They're the Anti-vaxxers as I recall all last summer. No, I'm not going to trump and I don't trust him. You know, I'm not going to be vaccine so forth, and now they embrace the trump vaccines like there's no tomorrow. You realize this folks? But for operation Warp speed and President Trump and his entire team His outstanding team that was mocked and mocked and mocked. Including by Quack quack Fauci. I mean, ultimately. We wouldn't have these vaccines as soon as we did. What would Joe Biden be doing now? Have you ever seen incompetence like this before in your life? With such a serious matter. On Donald Trump's watch were hit with this virus. The big issue is Don't call it the China virus. Why? Well, but then you're racist. What came from China? That's right. So he spent weeks on that The outbreak happens in Nancy Pelosi's running around Chinatown in San Francisco and terror. He follow me. Don't hide, Then the number one man. Infectious disease man. Don't wear a mask. I'm sitting there with my medical student. Step daughter and my wife and I said, Okay, we're getting masks. What do you mean, Marc? I'm no doctor. But if he says, don't get a mess, that means we're getting mess. Why? How many surgeons Conduct surgery without a mess.

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Fresh update on "donald trump." discussed on The Ross Kaminsky Show

The Ross Kaminsky Show

00:34 min | 1 hr ago

Fresh update on "donald trump." discussed on The Ross Kaminsky Show

"You can join us in studio. Okay, we'll take care. That'd be great. Thanks, Tommy. Uh, all right, so he clearly didn't want to talk about Donald Trump and I get that he wants to be focused on the midterms. That's what I would say Two. I didn't bring it up with him. But I would note that In his endorsement in Primary and run off elections. And so on. In recent months, Donald Trump hasn't done too well. There was a race in Texas between two conservative Republicans. Donald Trump endorsed one of them. The other 11 There have been, I think four races where Donald Trump has made an endorsement. Since this year, let's say this year so since he hasn't been in office and His candidate has won one time and his candidate has lost three times. I don't know that that's a big enough data set to say that Donald Trump is losing influence might be might not be. It's going to be a really interesting dynamic to keep an eye on. We'll be right back on the Ross Kaminsky show.

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Appeals Court: Arbitration Won't Shield Trump From Lawsuit

AP News Radio

00:51 sec | 16 hrs ago

Appeals Court: Arbitration Won't Shield Trump From Lawsuit

"Hi Mike Rossi are reporting an appeals court rules arbitration will not shield former president trump from a lawsuit a federal appeals court has ruled against former president Donald Trump and his three eldest children allowing a twenty eighteen lawsuit filed in Manhattan federal court to go forward in a written decision the second US circuit court of appeals said trump and his family members cannot force the lawsuit into arbitration the lawsuit alleges trump and family members misled the plaintiffs with their endorsement of telephone company AC an opportunity L. L. C. the appeals court citing claims in the lawsuit said statements by the trump that they had conducted extensive due diligence and research and had inside information and personal experience with ACN or untrue the lawsuit alleges the trump deliberately failed to disclose they were being paid millions of dollars to endorse a CN hi Mike Rossio

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Fresh update on "donald trump." discussed on The Ross Kaminsky Show

The Ross Kaminsky Show

01:01 min | 1 hr ago

Fresh update on "donald trump." discussed on The Ross Kaminsky Show

"But no matter what happens, we have a deep bench. And, um, I think every single person that I've heard might be running on the Republican side. Is a lot stronger than who we have on the Democrat side, whether it's Joe Biden Kamala Harris, or, um, you know. Any of the others. You mean at the presidential level. Correct. So Right? I. My gut instinct is that if Donald Trump runs again, he would be, uh, something of a weight on Republican candidates elsewhere and since Democrats scared the bejesus out of me with what they're already doing to this country, and what they would do if they If they stay in power. I hope that Donald Trump doesn't run. I'm wondering. How you think your job would change based on whether he even announces that he's going to run? Who look I'm 100% focused, as is the rest of our team on the midterms, taking back the house and the Senate. And, um, if you think about it, History is on our side. Barack Obama in his first term, Lost 6 63 House seats. Bill Clinton 54. Um, they even overreach more this time than they did and Obama's radical, um, first term. Yeah, so that's what we're focused on. We have to. We have to win back the House and the Senate and put pressure on Democrats. Make sure we don't federalize elections. Make sure we don't allow them to spend $6 Trillion or whatever the number is, Uh, you know, the latest number is Because that comes back to haunt the American people. It's for the Democrats. It's about politics over the people, and they think they can buy your votes. But the end the end result is When you do pass a $6 trillion budget, you cause inflation when you cause inflation. That's the ultimate tax on the middle class, and that's the that's the heartbeat of America. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I do think. Let me just back away from politics and ask you more of a philosophical question, I suppose. I think about it is $300 month payment to, uh, parents for for their kids and and, of course, the $300 a week. Sit on my ass bonus if I feel like not working, and I look at these things as a test of the American character, you know, And will Americans say no, That's not us it We don't want to live by stealing. Other people's Children's future earnings. Or are Americans going to say? Yeah, give us the free money and and go along with Elizabeth Warren and people like that, who just say the rich aren't paying their fair share in yada yada yada. What What do you think about the state of the American political character right now? I think the American people When they look at themselves in the mirror every morning when they wake up. They want to know that they're producing into the economy and helping our country. People want jobs they want to work. And we're sitting here. In a country It has almost $3 trillion in debt. And if you think about it, if you if you spent $30 per second, it would take you 32,000 years to pay that debt off. Think about that. Mhm. Yeah. But Americans here these numbers. I think for a lot of people here, you know, we're close to $30 trillion in debt. That number is so large as to be meaningless. I think for for a lot of people, and I don't know whether it bothers them as much as it bothers. You or me? I think it does. Well, I think in the end the American people want To have jobs They want to Have opportunity, and they want to leave the country in a better place for their Children and their grandchildren. And right now we're on a dangerous path with excessive government control over Lot of things and That's not how you create economic opportunity. And people get that Mike. Yes, Tommy Hicks is co chair of the GOP Tommy. There's uh, There's this sort of division in the Republican Party. I don't want to overstate it because that's really what Democrats spend their days doing. But clearly there are candidates who are much more sort of Trump aligned. And this is not a question about Trump, but much more sort of mega type Republicans and then others who you might call more traditional slash establishment Republicans. How do you as a guy running the party? Make sure to maintain a big tent, so because you and I both know in some districts, the Maga style candidate is a better fit for the district and in some district You know, the more ists moderate slash establishment. Whatever kind of person might be a better fit. How do you keep that all together? Well, I mean, we go around the country, one of the great opportunities I have with my job right now. As I get to go all over the country, and I'm going to Colorado to New Hampshire to me into the state of Washington, you know, not traditional Republican places, and we talked about How important is when back to midterms and, uh, we have. We're investing all over the country. We're really excited about our opportunity as Republicans. To take back the house, the Senate and you know what we're recruiting some great candidates all over the place really excited about our future, especially for the next 18 months as we go into the midterms. Yeah, I think so, too. I see Republican candidates around the country who seemed to me to be very appealing. And I'm I'm quite hopeful. So alright. My my last question for you as we again think about big picture stuff here. I've thought about redistricting. Here in Colorado. I haven't Read much thought much about the redrawing of congressional maps around the country. And I'm just wondering if you can tell us a little bit about what you think that's going to look like and who you think it might. Benefit or hurt in an electoral politics since well in Colorado. We're excited. We think we could win back at least one seat because of redistricting. But that's the process of which candidate we are able to recruit to run and who can deliver the message to the people of Colorado, but we should pick up to in Texas. We should pick up one in Florida. We should be able to pick up enough seats it through redistricting just because of the way the population has shifted across the country to win back the house, But again, our goal shouldn't be just to win back the house. We need to make a statement. We need to make sure that the Democrat Party which is not the Democrat Party of JFK understands that they've gone way too far to the left. For the American people, and here's Here's your wake up call. Yeah, You know, it's funny, so I that I mean, JFK would be a Republican today. I I used to say it's not the Republican Party of Bill Clinton. At this point, I actually I'm sorry Democratic Party of Bill Clinton at this point I don't even know that it's the Democratic Party of Barack Obama. I mean, I think he's to the right of a lot of these nuts. Well, just look at the squad AOC and her colleagues. Uh what their anti Semites, you know, Where does it stop Like the American people are smarter than they think they are, And they're going to have a huge awakening in 2022. I hope you're right. And I think you're right. Tommy Hicks, co chair of the Republican Party. Thanks for spending some time with us today, Tommy. Appreciate it. When you get to Colorado next, please let us know..

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Geraldo Rivera Can't Decide on the Narrative of January 6th Either

The Dan Bongino Show

01:54 min | 22 hrs ago

Geraldo Rivera Can't Decide on the Narrative of January 6th Either

"Last night, Geraldo can't seem to determine if his friend with air quotes Donald Trump incited a riot or not either. Check this out. I supported President Trump until the period following the election, leading it to the despicable events of January. 6th on January six we brought we bring you want for your damn people. The world and history an apology. But damn budget are all those wrong on both fronts. Profoundly wrong. How the president I have his transcript of what he said. We're going to go march to the capital peacefully. Unpatriotically is inciting a riot is quite confusing. I don't know if you need a thesaurus and dictionary. I don't know where you get what you just Making that up. I don't understand. Like the narrative goes back and forth between this was a planned insurrection to then Trump incited an insurrection despite the fact that Trump said, Go March peacefully and patriotic Li Oh, God, I don't know why you're making that up. And I was a friend of president trouble. Little bit friends like you. You know who needs enemies? I mean, that's being a friend. Two, man, I don't want any friends like that. You imagine that? I I tell Jim and Mike Mike Gold march on Cumulus headquarters peacefully. Unpatriotically. You guys deserve a raise, And then they go there slamming on the door and a cumulus blames me. Fred. Can you imagine that? I mean, I see it. You can folks you can listen to. I don't need to play it here. The transcripts out there. You've heard it 1000 times. Everybody knows what Trump said. But understand this left this cannot decide on a narrative and there's a reason I do. I talk about this stuff because you have to be able to dissect these people when you're able to dissect them and look at what's on the inside. You see, it's never pretty. The reason they can't settle on a narrative is because of what I just said. They're trying to determine what does the maximum political damage not with the truth. They don't care what the truth is. They're not interested in the truth at all. I'll get to that in

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Democrats Can't Decide What's the Narrative of the January 6th Events

The Dan Bongino Show

01:37 min | 22 hrs ago

Democrats Can't Decide What's the Narrative of the January 6th Events

"When they listen to show because they can't settle on a narrative because they can't decide if they want to stake the claim that this U S soil since 9 11 by a bunch of planned, violent extremists have been violent the whole time, therefore be attack against every trump supporter because they want to associate everyone with some of the violence that happened on that day, right? That's so they don't they don't know if that's going to be the better narrative to indict half the United States population or is the better narrative because Donald Trump might run again? That it was definitely Donald Trump, who did it. It was a largely peaceful rally. Until that point, you get that. Do you understand that? Does that make sense? You got to get that before we move on because they don't understand. What they're basically doing is they're balancing two competing narratives, both of which, factually can't be correct. It was either a planned insurrection or Donald Trump instigated it. You can't have both of those stories don't make sense, right? Again. I know the coins begun in 11, even though you know, semi reasonable Democrats are like, Yeah, well, you know, he's kind of right. You can't have both of those things at the same time. The semi reason it's a very small portion. Maybe 001% But they're trying to determine which one of those narratives does the most political damage. Do we want to make sure Donald Trump's political career is over and that we destroy him and make him public enemy number one? Satan incarnate. He incited this. Write him. He didn't him alone so that he can't run again. Is that more important? Or is it important to destroy the reputations of anyone who voted for Donald Trump and associate them with some of the things that happened on January? 6th by saying No, No, this was planned. All these Maga people knew about it.

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Hearing Exposes TV Viewers to Blunt Language, Racial Slurs

AP News Radio

00:56 sec | 1 d ago

Hearing Exposes TV Viewers to Blunt Language, Racial Slurs

"The first is the house investigation into the U. S. capitol insurrection because many TV viewers to cover their eyes and ears violence profanity racial slurs most lot of that and much more during the coverage of the investigation into the U. S. capitol riot those tuning in for live coverage on the networks got to see the kind of scenes and dialogue more fitting for an R. rated movie as profound as the words might have been the scenes were poignant as for police officers who defended the capital on January sixth describe what they saw heard and felt as supporters of president Donald Trump tried to disrupt the certification of Joe Biden's election CNN fox news channel and MSNBC all carry the hearing which lasted more than three hours and full NBC preempted daytime programming to air most of it that CBS and NBC provided as optional for its affiliates I'm Oscar wells Gabriel

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Mark Levin Reacts to January 6th Hearings in the Last Hour

Mark Levin

01:53 min | 1 d ago

Mark Levin Reacts to January 6th Hearings in the Last Hour

"I listened to some of this hearing. I didn't watch it live. But I listened to some it literally in the last hour or so. And, um Tremendous amount of drama. Lot of graphics. Adam Kinzinger was crying lose, Cheney said. Sometimes you have to pick country over party. Ladies and Joe, this is this is really, uh Too bad, quite the spectacle. That this committee is loaded up the way it is. If Adam Schiff on this committee Who led an insurrection against the Trump administration. You have this guy Raskin from Maryland on this committee. Push for impeachment twice. Then you have Cheney has always hated Trump her father's always hated Trump. The Bushes have always hated Trump. And then of course you have King Singer. Who lied to the people in his district when he ran as a tea party candidate, flipped into Rhino land and has always hated Trump. Didn't vote for Trump. Now we had some police officers giving testimony. I don't condemn them. But we only had certain police officers giving testimony. You don't have police officers giving testimony so far, who let People into the Capitol building. Maybe maybe they will be questioned. You don't have FBI officials being brought into this hearing. Maybe there will in the future. Explaining why they failed to provide information to the police officers when they had it 48 hours earlier. You don't have any answers right now. Why Nancy Pelosi and nobody in leadership. Accepted Donald Trump's offer of 10,000 National Guardsmen.

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Trump Didn't Know He Was in a War With the Deep State in 2016

The Eric Metaxas Show

02:36 min | 1 d ago

Trump Didn't Know He Was in a War With the Deep State in 2016

"Do you think trump has finally woken up to the idea that he kind of squandered opportunities that he was like me and like many persuaded that He might be able to get some things done not aware that he was in fact in an all out war. Yeah i would. I would cut trump's some some real slack for not realizing that the left was not going to permit the legitimate transition of power in two thousand sixteen and they never did. The left rejected the the results of the two thousand sixteen election and use every method fair and foul terrorist methods. Creating a fake dossier that links an american citizen like donald trump that links into the farm power and suggests that he's committing treason making up the lab dossiers putting him in hotel rooms. Doing disgusting acts with prostitutes taking bribes from foreign governments making all of that up and then the fbi knowing it is a pack of lies and using its power destroying people's lives going to go after. Mike flynn george popadopoulos. Pablo carter page destroying people's lives in service. What they knew was ally. This is how the east german stasio operated. So i don't know. Donald trump did not realize that the deep state were anti-american evil terrorist force. That must be rooted out of america and the hundreds of these people deserve to spend the rest allies in federal prison. That's how bad the fbi is. The fbi should be abolished at every executive members should be investigated with an inch of their lives to find out how for instance so many of them could go public and say the hunter biden. Laptop was russian disinformation. They said all that just before the election they said the case against donald trump was solid. They lied to us. They used our own government against us just as surely as your andropov used his government against the russian people in the nineteen eighty s. We are dealing with a domestic dictatorship. That is using facebook and twitter to get around the first amendment censor free speech. You can't even ask questions about the legitimacy in the last election. Or whether it's a good idea to take maxine. No you're going to be silenced. And the federal government is going to coordinate with these allegedly private companies in order to silence your free speech. Are you alarm yet. Are you angry

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The Tower of Babel and Christian Nationalism With John Zmirak

The Eric Metaxas Show

02:28 min | 1 d ago

The Tower of Babel and Christian Nationalism With John Zmirak

"One of the episodes in the old testament. And it's very interesting to those of us. Who are we get cold things like your christian nationalists and of course you should take time to unpack bad. What is christian nationalist. What what isn't even me. Well if you actually look at what it's supposed to represent you realize. Oh it's the worldview of pretty much every us president before george h w bush and also that of donald trump. It is you you. You believe that christian mores should infuse the government that natural law should be the basis of positive law. That is what you could what you could know as good and evil based on reason that reaffirmed What's taught in divine revelation. But you're drawing it. At of reason. You know we hold these shoot to be self evident rational arguments based on human nature. That should be the basis of morality not tribal solidarity like black lives matter on new black or white lives matter or any other kind of tribalism and not class solidarity like marxism or socialism and not theocracy where you say divine revelation what it says in my sacred book must be imposed by no natural law which you know are reflecting on what mankind is and who we are what we are people that should be the basis of law but you don't wanna global dictatorship a global oligarchy like the united nations. Are you back to the tower of babel. I can see. I know. I can see you getting there but for second i was like wait a minute. Where's he going. But now i know joe so keep going keep going up. You don't want a global lists remote oligarchy like the un or the eu or napoleon's empire or the soviet union or the new world order. You don't want distant remote elite bureaucrats imposing their will on ordinary people. You want people to be elect governments in their own countries. You wanna have an independent hungary and independent poland an independent united states. That's the nationalism part. So nationalism sounds so scary what's the alternative marxist

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Will Donald Trump Run for President in 2024?

The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

01:55 min | 1 d ago

Will Donald Trump Run for President in 2024?

"President to santa's is sworn in at noon on january twentieth. Twenty twenty five is the first guy he fires chris. Wray or general mark milley. Well i would. I would actually think since one of his campaign shirts Says don't sell my florida. I think he's i think he's might might be looking in that direction. i Race we we'll see. I think that all depends on what What former president trump decides to do. And then i think we're going to have a ripple effect from there. Well my my thought. Is that the president who has a big supporter of and i went to nevada with rick. Grenell to lawyer on his behalf after the disputed election of last november. I kinda i kinda think. Donald trump probably not going to run for a of reasons All of which make make make good sense you know. He's he's getting older ones. Spend time and i think he'd make a heck of a kingmaker. What do you what do you think. Do you think suppressants gonna run again. I think if If the decision were today. I put my money on he does. He's still fired up. And every time i've seen he's got a lot of energy and and what i enjoy and talking to them is just talking about all the things that he got done. He did it nearly as downloading What he what. He got accomplished that people in washington. Dc been opining about and hand wringing about for decades. The democrats had been asking for justice reform for decades Really joe biden's nineteen ninety four crime. Bill

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Nancy Pelosi's on Her Last Legs

The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

02:08 min | 1 d ago

Nancy Pelosi's on Her Last Legs

"Let's begin with nancy. Pelosi making what i think is a grave error. I think she always hear about. Donald trump destroyed the norms. Okay nancy pelosi as speaker is wiping out the all the customs traditions of the house of representatives and she must pay what she did is on this baloney january six commission. And i gotta tell you about january six guys. i keep hearing how. It's a giant riot and insurrection. Look i was in the los angeles riots. Fueled by maxine waters not democrat. I was on the streets for three weeks with third battalion. Hundred and sixtieth infantry. That's a riot what happened on capitol hill was a frat party. Okay no comparison all right and the only person killed on. Capitol hill was an unarmed trespasser veteran. Shot by a cop whose name we don't know. Dozens were murdered in los angeles. So you know. Save your drama for your mama. 'cause i'm not entertaining. It and nancy pelosi wants to have this kangaroo court commission so she appoints liz. Cheney nominal republican and now she's going to appoint adam kin zinger the r-enfield of the gop caucus but she's not allowing kevin mccarthy to put jim banks big friend a show and jim jordan on the committee. She doesn't approve. She is picking who the republicans can put on committees. This cannot stand. This is not happened before. Now they strip marjorie taylor green her seats and that was a bad precedent. But it's special. This was a merger we we had to do it. If kevin mccarthy doesn't retaliate. They've set a new standard. He he needs when he becomes majority leader. He needs to and in fact he needs to announce it now. I'm going to strip all you democrat committee chairs

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The CDC Never Considered the Opportunity-Cost With Mask Mandates

The Dan Bongino Show

01:49 min | 1 d ago

The CDC Never Considered the Opportunity-Cost With Mask Mandates

"Has it ever occurred to you that there's an opportunity cost to this? I'm serious. Opportunity cost for those economic economics majors out there. That the relentless focus by the CDC and liberals on putting a face diaper on your face against your will, In many cases, that this relentless focus and this nonstop And vaccine mandates has taken away from measures that may have actually stopped or mitigated this pandemic significantly like treatments, hydroxychloroquine ivermectin. Remdesivir whatever it doesn't matter. Has that ever occurred to you? That this relentless focus you've cost yourself time. That there are other things out there other than face diapers. Has it ever occurred or you so focused on this? Because Donald Trump once said he wasn't so sure about master whatever. That you're never that This is the only thing you're going to talk about forever. And why haven't you applied? Then this same approach to other viral infections and respiratory. Are we going to do this now? Every cold season. You understand there's a risk here. If these things work to face diapers, then why didn't they work? Jim, are these dumb question? I mean, in my, uh Okay. Thank you Think. Why didn't why do we have to keep doing it then? Masks will stop this spread. We have an outbreak of the deadly No. No Mass will stop the spread. This time. There's a lamb the very never no mask, you'll stop the spread this time. This mess. Definitely stop the spread in India. India has an outbreak. No, they'll stop the spread after the outbreak. Why do we live with crazy

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Charlie Kirk’s Exclusive Conversation With Donald Trump

The Charlie Kirk Show

01:59 min | 2 d ago

Charlie Kirk’s Exclusive Conversation With Donald Trump

"Let's listen to my exclusive interview with the forty fifth president. Donald trump audit results route. What are your thoughts while the results are just ridiculous election in so many states not just arizona but in so many safes was false. It was rigged election was stolen. Everyone knows that a lot of writers like talking about it but the real republicans wanna talk about it and you see the kind of crabs we have today the so angry and arizona. Too angry in georgia. They're angry and michigan and pennsylvania. And you know we won most to these say we won florida and records. We won ohio. One all of these states but five or six which is terrible. What happened probably happened in the other two. But you're looking at the same way because you but the the level of the crooked and corrupt politics. I don't think has ever happened to the extent to shame. It's a shame and then destroying country so a lot of republicans are getting in the way of the audit You are the head of the republican party highest approval rating ever for a president. What what's your message to republicans that are in the way of election integrity. What's not allowed of republicans it's a small group of republicans. But you know they're in the right places. They've been there a long time. They want things to be the way it is. They probably have their own deals with democrats. Leave us alone. Who knows what it is you know. Why would somebody not want election integrity. Why would they want a forensic audit in other words. Let's check to see whether or not it's right but they don't do it charlie. It's the level of corrupt nisa level of Political shenanigans gone. You know wisconsin's coming along great. Now they're really into it because they see what's happening and a lot was learned from arizona when the really brave senators from state senators from this state. They went out and they did something. And all of a sudden they started looking. You see. what's happening in georgia georgia. The numbers are unbelievable. What they're finding so we'll see what happens. It's going to be very interesting ballots going through multiple times and it's worse than we ever

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Trump Says Americans Not Taking COVID Vaccine Because They 'Don't Trust the President'

Mike Gallagher Podcast

01:18 min | 2 d ago

Trump Says Americans Not Taking COVID Vaccine Because They 'Don't Trust the President'

"President trump was at a rally with thousands of screaming excited kids over the weekend phoenix turning point. Usa he's been very consistent. Of course trump wants people to get the vaccine. His administration introduced the vaccine to the world in record time. But he also believes in america's right to make a decision about what goes into their body but not the left doesn't but here is trump and trump in trumpy. He's this is donald trump at his best. How about the vaccine. I came up with the vaccine. They said it would take three to five years gonna save the world. I recommend you take it. But i also believe in your freedoms one hundred percent but just so you understand it was a great achieve but then we started. We're doing a million people a day and they said we're gonna put a pause on one of the vaccines what that did that senate back so badly and so now. They're saying what a wonderful job he did. They don't say too much anymore with respect to giving the vaccine. Now it's turning out that they can't say that anymore and what they've done is because they don't trust the president people aren't doing it and that's simple as it can be

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Pelosi Appoints 2nd GOP Critic of Trump to Jan. 6 Committee

AP News Radio

00:57 sec | 3 d ago

Pelosi Appoints 2nd GOP Critic of Trump to Jan. 6 Committee

"House speaker Nancy Pelosi has named the second Republican critic of Donald Trump to a special committee investigating the capital riot congressman Adam Kinzinger of Illinois was among the ten house Republicans to vote for trump second impeachment he joins Wyoming's Liz Cheney yes the committees to Republicans in a statement he said after months of lies and conspiracy theories the American people deserve transparency and truth on how when why thousands showed up to attack our democracy house Republican leader Kevin McCarthy accused Pelosi of appointing members who in his words share her preconceived narrative saying it will not yield a serious investigation but an ABC news is this week with George Stephanopoulos pelo see had this maybe the Republicans can't handle the truth but we have a responsibility to seek it to find it in in a way that retains the confidence of the American people Ben Thomas Washington

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Biden Hits Campaign Trail With Terry McAuliffe in Virginia

Guarding Your Nest Egg

00:17 sec | 4 d ago

Biden Hits Campaign Trail With Terry McAuliffe in Virginia

"President Biden on the campaign trail this weekend, stumping in Virginia for Terry McAuliffe, who wants to be governor there again, and I share a lot in common. I ran against Donald Trump. And so is Terry and I whipped Donald Trump in Virginia and soul.

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Pelosi Defends Decision to Reject 2 GOP Lawmakers for Jan. 6 Committee

All In with Chris Hayes

01:54 min | 6 d ago

Pelosi Defends Decision to Reject 2 GOP Lawmakers for Jan. 6 Committee

"Nancy pelosi put an end to the republican effort to disrupt the work of the select committee on january six. Today there's new reporting the speakers adding even more republicans to the already bipartisan investigation. Many hossan and katie hill are here to talk about at all next. You had hundreds of thousands of people i would venture to say. I think it was the largest crowd. I've ever spoken before. It went from that point which is almost at the white house to beyond the washington monument. It was an an wide and But if you could win was a loving crowd too by the way there was a lot of love. I've heard that from everybody. Many many people told me that was a loving gra correspond with president. Donald trump talking to washington post reporters carolina and philip rucker about the loving crowd at the january. Six rally. just before the insurrection. Now more than five hundred people from the said loving crowd who marched the capital and started a riot have been arrested as a massive investigation into what happened. That day continues the house. Select committee is now moving forward. Today speaker pelosi defended her decision to continue without any of the five republicans picked by house. Minority leader kevin mccarthy after she vetoed two of them and he pulled the three. Select committee is bipartisan. And it has a and it will do. The job it sets out to do. Is my responsibility as speaker of the house. To make sure we get to the truth on this and we will not let their antics stand in the way of that. One republican liz cheney wyoming remains on the committee. They're reportedly been discussions about speaker. Pelosi potentially adding others like congressman adam anger of illinois.

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The Absolute Farce That Was the Joe Biden-Don Lemon Town Hall

Mike Gallagher Podcast

01:31 min | 6 d ago

The Absolute Farce That Was the Joe Biden-Don Lemon Town Hall

"Last night. Was a town hall over at cnn. I heard one of my colleagues really rip the decision to have a town hall hosted by don lemon. Well i don't know why. That's any different than sean. Hannity hosting a town hall at fox news with donald trump don. Lemon r- democrat cheerleader. Don lemon hates republicans and boosts liberalism. I mean the only differences. He pretends to be a newsman. And he's not he's an opinion host. Pretend you've been newsmen at hannity lauraingraham and tucker carlson and the rest of jesse waters. Those are all opinion guys and gals laura ingraham. They're not newspeople. They are opinion people but over cnn. Maybe that's why their ratings are so wretched people are onto them. They pretend to present present straight news when it's a bunch of leftists who despise half the country so i don't think it's any big deal. Dine lemon was chosen to of course he was. It's a it's a friendly atmosphere for an out of touch president. A president who thinks car prices are used. Cars are now cheaper than they were prior to the print depend. I mean maybe tomorrow he'll tell us that. Gas prices are lower than they were prior to the pandemic. Maybe maybe he'll tell us that. Inflation is only temporary. Oh yeah he did say that. Come to think of.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

05:14 min | 3 months ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

08:17 min | 3 months ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"To that. Because government is so essential to every single thing that the democrats want need to do to address all of those crises we discussed and government itself is poorly understood and has pretty poor approval ratings among the american public and so the sense of being focused on delivering as opposed to beating the drum that you know government has been corrupt. I could see how they could make the calculus that it's actually more important to show good government than it is to continue to as if they were in a campaign rail against bad government at the same time. I do agree that there seating high political terrain on these issues of corruption and in fact the message research around how to frame. Hr one before the people act is really actually shows that framing around corruption is is the best way to get sort of bipartisan. In cross ideological support it would be a shame if donald trump remained the standard bearer for draining the swamp. Right if he's still had that as his he's model and not the people who actually want to root out corruption in government which tend to want to obviously be which tend to be democrats and and there's a way to do it right. You can talk about the corruption in our democracy as the corruption of politicians picking their voters the corruption of big money in secret money in politics as well as the corruption of of gerrymandering and of politicians who get into office and i don't think they can win again so they try to change who gets vote in. How and that is all corruption brain and i agree with you on the basic point that that is high political terrain. It has always been as long as i've been alive and it will be continued to be so we can't take our off that ball. We need to be able to both in the policy in the substance and in the messaging. Remember the way. People of all ideological stripes feel cynical about their government and want someone to come in and clean house. One thing. that's been dogging me about this episode specifically sort of how to temper. What i think is totally valid enthusiasm for how things have gone so far with the murkiness of what comes in the next hundred thousand days so the two most consistent things we've heard from our previous guests are one basically how pleasantly surprised they are by. How biden has done out of the gate. I've been kinda surprised. It's kind of been refreshing to hear how we sorta found a middle ground march particular real high on climate and. I just think they're really doing well. I would say i like. I have been pleasantly surprised. I think biden has actually been surprised. He went there on the policy. And the other is all all the high mindedness and righteousness and the world isn't going to amount to much if after the first one hundred days. His agenda dries up because democrats can't bring themselves to get rid of the filibuster. Yes that's a angry so if you if you'd asked me after barack obama's first one hundred days how do and where things are going and say you know he. He did a lot. There's the recovery act in ledbetter act and a whole bunch of the bills and now they're gonna do financial form and they're going to do health care reform and it's going to take some amount of time but he's off to the races and we can see pretty clearly like where they're going and won't take to get there and with biden. I don't have any sense at all. Because he doesn't have the same kind of majorities like there's one vision of the future where they get it together get rid of the filibuster and do a whole bunch more stuff and then there's another realm where maybe they get one more bill through because they use budget reconciliation or maybe they don't do anything at all and i don't know how to wait those two possibilities and so it's hard for me You know hosting the final episode of joe biden hundred as five guests to say you know. They set themselves up man for better things in the future. I i wonder what your senses well. I think it is helpful to point your listeners. Towards something to watch to know whether or not this administration will be a success on all of the goals that it set out or not and that is whether the jim crow era of the filibuster remains. And it's it's really not much more complicated than that. This majority was put in washington to govern the ideas in the policies that are still on the table that are mostly wrapped up. The american jobs plan american families proposal are highly popular with you. Know in the sixty and seventy range most everything in it from raising taxes to massive infrastructure spending to paid family leave and child care and home healthcare cancelling student debt which is still on the agenda and being discussed all of this. Is you know. Sixty seventy percentage point popular stuff. This should be easy to do in a well-functioning representative democracy and yet we have these structural barriers to democracy most of which were either designed to maintain white supremacy or. Were you know sort of honed. In their current super format as as is the filibuster today to maintain conservative white rule. And it's really a question of whether or not the multiracial democracy that this country has been for the past fifty six years since the signing of the voting rights act is going to be able to persist in the future as our country becomes more diverse in as an over represented minority of conservative. Wait mostly man is seeing their power wayne and therefore getting much more brazen about rigging the rules to basically sort of reinstitute reinstituted white male property requirement in in our democracy. And that's really where we see. How racism and the structures of racism. The tools of racism ended up having costs for everyone. So i wanna talk about how. I would be helpful for people to think about the future but i wanna do it through the lens of your book. The some of us in the intro you write about how coming up in the policy world. The consensus within that world was that Egalitarian policy would advanced racial justice. But we should not mention that because that's leading with our chin we don't want to activate white identity this zero-sum mentalities like very easy to gin up and people And it's kinda funny. Because the first excerpts that i saw of the book came from enthusiastic liberal walks of that school. I think they seem to believe that. The book was an endorsement of that view but then. I read the whole thing. And i started thinking. Maybe they did they. You better read the book before you tweet about it. So here's where i think it's. I'm i wanted my book to have a little bit for everyone. I wanted in many ways for this to be something that can help. Create a common story in conversation Among the broad multiracial coalition that needs to be the enduring governing coalition for an america that survives much less thrives right. And that's a big tent. It includes a lot of different cultural backgrounds and ideologies and my book has a very strong point of view but it also comes from twenty years of working in that field in seeing those debates and so on the one hand you have people who were very much from that school who are sort of white progressives who wanna just.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

03:25 min | 3 months ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"Labor unions used to be the backbone of the democratic party but over the past several decades political and economic trends in the us and around the world caused a realignment. Republicans had declared war on workers trying to ram through a so called right to work law. It would essentially gut the state's neighbor movement including his historic auto unions governor walker. Today sat here at this desk assigned the right to work legislation and make wisconsin the twenty fifth state to have it majority. Republicans approved a bill to strip most collective bargaining rights public employees. The right went to war with unions. An increasingly new liberal democratic party sometimes joined them trade agreements globalized markets union density plummeted the damn labor alliance weekend and the cloud. Unions held within the democrat. Coalition shrank the white working. Class drifted toward the gop and donald trump accelerated the drift. He came to our members. And said i'm going to change the rules of the economy and they believed him unfortunately the rule. He's changing hurt them. He's opposed every increase in the minimum wage. He's changed the regulation to take over time away from a couple of million people. He's proposed a trillion. Dollar cuts to medicare and medicaid He's done all rolled back health and safety standards doors worker now. Trump has gone. The economy wrecked his promise to those workers. Almost entirely unfulfilled in many political observers. See a dilemma. President biden can seek to rebuild the obama coalition of educated white americans and minorities of all economic classes with multicultural appeals or he can try to reverse the hemorrhaging of working class whites from the democratic party with economic appeals. What if these visions aren't in conflict at all. And what if unions are the glue that can unify a multiethnic multiracial working-class under a single political umbrella biden. Seems to want a test. The theory us put power in the hands of workers. Union lift up workers both union and nonunion and especially black and brown workers rhetorically. He's the most pro union president we've had in decades one of the first personnel decisions. He made after he took office was to fire. the union. busting council of the national labor relations board more recently. He thrilled organize labor supporters. By endorsing the right of amazon worker at a warehouse in bessemer alabama to form a union free from the choice to join a union is up to the workers. Full stop full. Stop over the next few days and weeks. Workers in alabama and all across america are voting on whether to organize a union in their work. It was a historically pro-labor statement particularly compared to recent us presidents and the battleground was striking a union drive in the notoriously anti union deep south of a majority black workforce against one of the most powerful corporations in the world.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

08:16 min | 3 months ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"To me so it sounds like the proposition table is something like if biden wins he gets to pick up the pieces of a bunch of shattered alliances and a corrupted foreign policy and have to convince the world that the us hadn't fundamentally changed despite everything trump did whereas if trump had one you know who knows where it would've ended but we would have been further down the line of the us forming a partnership among global autocracies in in rivalry with european democracies which are kind of in their own fragile state. I think that's exactly right. I mean listen. We are all accustomed to the post world war two global world order where you know. The un has been a key actor and a lot of debates and conflicts where nato is a global line structure that we value in lean on In nc is critical global security. We have all these alliances in asia and for some reason trump just slowly walked away from all of those alliances right. I mean he refused to recommit to article five which is The provision in the nato charter. That says an attack on one country is an attack on all basically the the fact that us would come to the defense of nato country if attacked which essentially just unravels the entire line. So yeah i mean he. Basically was walking away from the key. Alliances that every president since world war two has leaned on and he was oddly A big fan of berating leaders of democracies especially women. Right so like you could see that. A lot of countries whether we're talking europe or asia. We're trying to figure out what a post united states path might look like for themselves. They couldn't depend on us anymore. I was kinda raised on a on a sanders. Ask critique of us military hegemony. I still hope that in my lifetime someone with sanders is doubts about the way. Us wield its power in the world. Institute's a more humble confident approach to To us global leadership. But i i kind of think that in practice. What trump showed is that the proposition on the table. Right now isn't whether america will be a big imperial power. Not but whether will use imperial power for the most base corrupt purposes At least some higher values will be driving things and when you serve that choice. A lot of the higher minded critiques of us foreign policy kind of drain away. Yeah me like you. And i kind of like came up in politics during the iraq. War or the run-up iraq war right. And i think you know. Wait when you look at the damage. That conflict did to the region into the entire world. It's hard not to Have a ton of sympathy for the leftist critique of us hegemony in us foreign policy when you really dig into the things that the cia was doing in the fifties and sixties and seventies and the coups. We're fermenting and the dictators propping up. The guy. I think i'm kind of like a elizabeth warren domestic policy brain and then more of bernie sanders foreign policy brain which might surprise people since i worked for obama. Who's called the liberal. But you know. I think there are areas where the united states has and will continue to provide indispensable leadership for example. I think that if the us is not out leading the charge on climate change we will not any targets. We need to meet to prevent the plant from melting. I think of the. Us is not in front leading the charge on developing nations vaccines in improving vaccine equity. Then no one will do it. So there's a clear role for the us to play in the world's that doesn't have to be militarized one though. That's kind of the key distinction. Yeah so biden. Talks a lot about foreign policy as a as a matter of relationships and specifically about his own longstanding relationships with a lot of global leaders today so as relieved as some of them have been to to see biden win into now. Have a familiar face charge in the us. Do you have any sense of how rattled. They were by trump and whether the experience of living through the trump presidency is complicating binds efforts to work multi-laterally with them like. Are they suspicious. It's a great question. I've wondered that myself. I would imagine that there will be countries. There will be partners who feel sufficiently burned by the us. Walking away from promises. Or or alliances that del rethink like forging ties that close. I'll be honest with you. I would be surprised if there are that many countries that feel that way i mean most countries understand that like us political leadership changes And and that you know our approach to foreign policy can change with it. I do suspect that. There's a lot of relief among traditional you. Partner countries like australia countries like Germany who like for no reason. Donald trump just loved kicking around markle. Who has been the stalwart leader In europe for like a decade or more. And so i. I assume that set will be relieved. I think a lot of allies in asia will be relieved. I kind of interpret everything we've talked about thus far too. That biden has a couple main overarching tasks. One is convincing purely eaters that he specifically is a trustworthy partner with sound judgment and the other is convincing them that. Us democracy is healthy enough. That while party will may change in the us. We're not inexorably on a road to kleptocracy. And they can look ahead to the future with the us without wondering if we're going to scrap alliances with democracies and forged them with russia china saudi arabia. Yeah i mean. I think there's a couple of ways you can quickly summarize. Maybe the trump approach right. It was it was capricious one day. He would just get mad in tweet about something. And all of a sudden we'd be in a tariff war with china. I think countries like moving on from that. But you're you're right to flag this kleptocracy piece. Because i think some countries quickly figured out that The way to his heart was was through his wallet that they could offer personal favors and that would be kind of a new and exciting way for them to do business and get around Traditional hurdles that they dealt with when to share with the us all right so then. Let's talk about what biden has done. So far into extent day advance his goals and to what extent that cut against him. It seems like the big faith restoring steps. He's taken are still works in progress like he rejoined the paris agreement. Which i i kinda took as a bit of a gimme but beyond that. He wants to reenter the iran deal. He wants to reform the two thousand one Military force authorization He says he wants to withdraw from afghanistan and more recently he's his administration has talked about reviving anti corruption as a foreign policy goal. So what do you make of that list. And how hopeful are you that he'll accomplish those things. Yeah look i agree with you. The rejoining the paris climate accord's was both a gimme and also i think probably largely symbolic We need to tighten down those targets if we're really going to prevent some of the most devastating consequences from climate change. That said i mean. We went from having a president of the united states. That rhetorically was to the right of the president of basically every other country When it comes to climate change to that is actually committed to it and that is trying to embed Climate change in all parts of the us government in all policy making. So i think you know ultimately that's a really good thing and there are some reports yesterday. Brian that the the us might be considering essentially doubling the targets for for emissions reduction. that's.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

07:50 min | 4 months ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"So democrats aren't really out on much of a political limb protecting voters overwhelmingly voters of color from voting rights restrictions. The other part of it is that voting rights isn't the only civil rights issue. The country faces right now There's still a mass uprising against police brutality. There's a backlash to that. There's scapegoating of immigrants. And i wonder if you see a difference between how the democrats have responded to the voting rights threat versus the bigger picture of threats to civil rights. So they've been pretty upfront in dealing with this. Seems like they debut. The voting rights issue is one with their on. Pretty safe ground politically like. There's no risks like we invoke the idea. Jim crow like the you know he sort of went there and use that direct language. He used language. Obama often avoided as president about describe republicans because obviously is republicans. Some republicans are being racist so he didn't use the word racist. He's definitely been much more aggressive about making those kinds of remarks in that kind of a mostly democratic party has been pretty aggressive about suggesting. The republican officials not Rubbing officials are being racist about voting ones. Now outside of that. I think is a little harder because on the policing issues based on polls for boaters is i don't support defend. The police also don't want the police to be too mean to black people. So what the sort of policy looks like. They have the the bill that they passed on the george. Floyd active bands released from show kohl's and increases training. And so on this like a bill that both is probably popular but also probably doesn't address. The problem is the people who work on policing would say so. They be policing is not clear as easy solution on policing that activists a would actually help the problem but is also politically popular on. I would say for example. The activists physicians you've got to really reform is change is used to be more humane to people trying to come into the country at those positions are a little less popular little. The polling is mixed obviously do not separate children from their families is popular. I think you know giving people in dhaka the ability to stay in the country and not be deported popular. A path to citizenship actually pretty popular. So it's not as if everything's unpopular. But i think the voting rights issue has the very the democratic business popular position is not popular and there are clear legislative policy solutions. That democrats can't embrace filibuster aside in a way that i think other civil rights issues. Don't really fall into that same. Well i should say like the equality. I think i think generally provision in wish you say. Lgbt people should not be discriminated against. They're actually truly popular. You know another place where the republicans are in a bad place to equality act would pay would pants. Overwhelmingly is not something. You're going to see the average. Rubble criticized too much is hardly magin. They'll be able to make the for the people x. Unpopular those are the like should there be early voting for three weeks. Look on this. Harvey imagine they're gonna make that unpopular. So what. I think is more likely they will drive up opposition among republicans. Like the right. Now as all of the people act in the language there they've settled on is this is a power grab by the federal government so in control elections. My guess is power. Grab democrats will make sure you saw. The summer was the at some point. Republicans were able to increase the opposition to black lives matter among republicans. Like the majority or plurality of americans still supported the movement of black on black lives matter movement republican from the thirties to the forty five. So the key thing would be they get their own base to lend eighty percent disapproval before the people act. The that'll show the knows. What's an issue is. Partisan is the bishop a mansion in cinema. He'll be very sensitive to that. So i think the key thing is to make the opposition in the forties to the four people like and i think that's very easily do in fact the fact that stacey abrams in other black democrats are the most prominently. Featured people advocating for hr. What will make extremely easy to make it. Sorta racialized than partisan is that will draw republican opposition. Okay so i'll take that to mean that you think that the for the people at the john lewis act there probably immune in some sense from being turned into unpopular bills because their provisions are like mostly unobjectionable. But that doesn't mean that republicans can't successfully polarize the public around him in a way that might make it harder for democrats to just forge ahead on a purely. Partisan basis so by visit is approval rating is fifty four forty. Something like that but with the stimulus was like seventy thirty or something like that so the stimulus was so popular. It get outside of the normal partisan box but in most issues they're the republicans are smarter than they can get it to where they're forty percent who disapproved biden also move of his bills. Demis in a biden. Bill that has forty percents disapproval. Among america's overall is probably at fifty five in west virginia and probably forty five in arizona. I still think on for the people though. The democrats are invested in that. I don't think they're going to like sort of wimp out on that issue is much as they would others because of the coalition who's leading biden is president mansion as a lot of power. But i don't think a lot of things in which jim clyburn says. This is a commitment to the. I do think sort of black wing of the democratic party when it makes moral claims like they're making on. Hr william john lewis. Bill are actually fairly popular and are not. They're like the democratic elite establishment has no problem distant left when it's necessary i'll be. I don't know there is comfortable. Dissing stacey abrams in japan. Clyburn in raphael warnock on racial issues. I think even at this warren popular stay in the conversation. I do sort of see what you're saying that like as as much as maybe democrats lean too much into public opinion on certain issues. They do seem to talk about this bill. The talk about this issue in a way that you would expect them to if they saw themselves in a moment like nine hundred and sixty five. This is a defining issue of the time. And there's like a bigger issue of principle at play here than anything that we should allow whatever. A public opinion poll says at any moment to war so it is really talk about it like it can't fail like Like failure is not an option. And i in a way that i haven't heard them talk about any bill. Since maybe the affordable care act in and maybe not even then so maybe. That's the the right note to end it on. Is it as the public opinion lens. Through which so much of Like legislative politics is look through might actually be the wrong one on this particular issue obama. I'll be honest. Rarely says really sharp partisan things when he said in john lewis funeral that the compared the filibuster to a jim crow relics. And if all this takes eliminating the filibuster another. Jim crow relic in order to secure the god given rights of every american. Then.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

07:14 min | 5 months ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"Something for rudy to think about how you're right. That's absolutely right on. In fact if i had a magic wand the first thing i would have happened in washington is for congress to get its subpoena power in order. It has inherent contempt powers. No one knows how far those reach. They should be enacting into law. They've got the control of both houses and the white house taking dopp it so they actually can effectively hold investigations. And that's that's something that should have happened yesterday and they should be devoting every bit of attention. They have all the committees to being able to actually get witnesses and force them to testify. So joe biden. Did a town hall on tuesday and he said i don't. I'm tired of talking about donald trump. I wanna talk about him anymore. But what do you make of that and can biden play an appropriate unnecessary role as an agent of accountability. If he's simultaneously sort of operating with the goal of trying to push trump out of the spotlight well if if you recall what he did after making that statement it is news conference. He's turned around and started talking about trump. I if we if we try to sweep trump under the rug and try to ignore him. It will only compound the circumstances in situations. He's left us and these things to be addressed I can appreciate why biden doesn't want them addressed but if they don't address them they will haunt us. There was some of that toast. Watergate were jerry. Ford one of the recent he pardoned. Nixon was to make it disappear because he was getting lots of questions about This document that document. What should be revealed shouldn't be revealed. And he said god. I'm just sick of this. And it just messing my ability to govern. Well that's true and part of the reasons that we have. Trump is not everything was cleaned up During nixon many of the issues that came up when you had another president who didn't wanna play by the rules was the rules hadn't all been established and set up. Some of it was as left as norms. What seemed appropriate. What was inappropriate. But some of those could have well. If they'd have continued pursuing them have ended up as laws and made it much more difficult for trump to undertake the activities. He did I'm one who thinks it'll be a disastrous mistake. If we don't look hard it went from did because he is a threat to democracy. If you're advising biden what would you tell them about how he should balance his positive vision. His desire to govern with these More trump said trick questions of truth in disclosure and and protecting democracy. I'd advise him to just keep governing as he is doing right now. And let the media and the public deal with these other issues and trump. It's not gonna go away if trump is invited in georgia. Do you think that the news media is going to ignore it that day. Of course not. They can't now people are interested. It's why why there exists to report this kind of thing. And i think that biden has what he's got to do is explain to people that we need to get this kind of behavior out of our system and we need to take people who think this is acceptable heavier and get them back under rocks where they'd live for so long and that's about as far as they should be advanced In a modern democracy final question have you ever thought about what the world would look like. If forty five years ago you had not gone public. The republican party had decided to protect nixon at all costs. He had not resigned. He survived his impeachment And congress had not passed post-watergate reforms. Where would that have led to a very unhealthy place Democracy as we know it would probably be long gone Democracy is something has to constantly be attended to it. it doesn't work automatically if you have a dominant interest that is cheating to control the system That doesn't work so well for those who play by the rules. Nixon was somebody who didn't play by the rules He was not anywhere near as bad as donald trump however to it's gotten worse and by ignoring it we will again Lived to regret it. I'll leave it there. Then john dean. Thank you for your time and your insight. My pleasure keep sending us. Your questions are email is rubicon at crooked dot com listener. Michael writes in. What is the responsible way for the dem's to exploit fractures in the gop without inadvertently raising the profiles of extreme right-wing primary challengers. This is always a tough balance to strike and it doesn't always work out. Well the theory is that more. Extreme candidates have a harder time winning statewide or national elections. So if you can coax your opposition into nominating someone from the fringes. You stand a better chance of winning in the end and more often than not. That theory is true. It worked out great for dams in the twenty twelve missouri senate race when incumbent democrat claire mccaskill helped elevate the profile of the most right wing. Republican senate candidate running. Gop primary a guy named todd aken who wants to claim that women will miscarry pregnancy stemming from rape but only if the rape is quote unquote legitimate. Republicans nominated him and he lost years later. Democrats even want a special senate election in the deep deep. South state of alabama after republicans nominated nasty racist and accused sexual predator named roy moore to their ticket but they tried the same thing. In the two thousand sixteen cycle on much larger stage when a seemingly unelectable guy named donald trump entered the republican presidential primary and well ultimately though the fact that republicans have become so extreme. Isn't democrats fault and the responsibility for the consequences of that extremism lies with the people and institutions in and around the gop who intentionally radicalized their supporters with lies and propaganda for power and profit. Rubicon is written and hosted by me brian. Boiler it's produced by andrew gardner bernstein broncos. Cincinnati is our audio engineer. Production support from brian. Semel thanks for listening. We'll be back next week.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

03:15 min | 5 months ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"Senators america we need to exercise our common sense about what happened. Let's not get caught up in a lot of outlandish lawyers theories here exercise. Your commonsense have which just took place in our country. There was a moment last saturday. The final day of the second impeachment trial of donald trump when it seemed like the reckoning republicans plainly. Fear was coming. We would like the opportunity to subpoena congressman harare regarding her communications with house. Minority leader. kevin mccarthy we'd be prepared to proceed by zoom deposition of an hour or less. That's jamie raskin. Maryland congressman and a house democrats serving as chief manager or prosecutor for the impeachment trial after the main presentation phase. It ended raskin. Shot the senate by requesting the power to subpoena witnesses and documents and make republicans pay even greater political price for voting to quit the man responsible for the january six insurrection. We know republicans were scared because they absolutely lost their shit. None of these depositions should be done by zoom. These depositions should be done in person in my office in philadelphia. That's where they should be done. That's civil process. I don't know why you're laughing. It is civil when a bipartisan majority of senators agreed to raskin's requests. I thought to something ruth. Ben yet told me on last week's show. Transparency is about showing respect and for the people. You are governing. It's it's a form of humility. it's showing respect for accountability. Because if you don't have an accounting of past practices history shows that people will do the same thing and more then seemingly for no reason at all democrats balked they wanted to call republican congresswoman jaime herrera butler to testify fifty. Five senators voted to hear witnesses. Then after all that the senate decided not to call witnesses what happened. Why vote yourself the power to expose trump more thoroughly than ever before on the biggest stage imaginable and then not use it. It was a low moment and a decision. The biden white house at some level must have supported so now we're left to wonder. Can there be a do over and a party. That surrendered a golden opportunity to tighten the vise of accountability on trump even want one after voting to acquit trump. Senate minority leader. Mitch mcconnell suggested that trump might still face civil or criminal liability for things he did as president would biden's justice department. Go for it on monday house speaker. Nancy pelosi announced the congress will establish a nine eleven style commission to investigate the instruction. Will it have the power. It needs to fully expose. Trump's roll can.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

08:00 min | 6 months ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"Like how people interpret that for all the political violence we have in have had. We have been blessed in this country. Despite big disagreements with like for the last forty fifty years like they're just that kind of thing has not been part of how we expect the public to respond to being defeated politically. Is they'll start killing senators or judges or wherever yes right. yes and. that's i feel like the spooky part of this that when i see republicans aside out you know we can live with four dead people five dead people in the and one hundred million dollars worth of damage in the capital and we'll just move on and pretend it never happened is that it's like okay. Well that just means let's figure out what what else they'll tolerate ya at. That's that's the really dark thing is like what what would change their mind. What would have had to happen on january six for there to be sixty seven to to convict. That's dark thought experiment. The let me just say the let me hop onto the other side and say the following things i think are on the other side. Alleger one. is that like democrats. Win this improbable. Incredible victory in control of the senate right. Joe biden did win by seven million votes like there is again for the first time in american history. One party won seven out of eight popular votes. In presidential elections. There is it is hamstrung majority. But there is this majority in the country that is on the side of both sort of a centre-left majority but but more importantly kind of pro democracy majority and the pro-democracy majority i think is even probably bigger than those votes. I think that there's a way in which i think the capital riot and the spectacle of were radicalizing in the opposite direction. We're repellent to a lot of people like so if you think of it as like the popular front right like spanning the noam chomsky to bill kristol people invested in the continuance of american multiracial democracy as such. That is the. There's more of us than there are of them. And and we're on we're right substantively and we have more people and and that gives me hope you know i. You know w- there are places where the majority's on the side of the bad guy that's when it gets that's when it gets really really dark. Yeah and a try to tie this. Because i did ask this because i do think it ties into the cova question and i think that there's a prevailing hope that if biden really executes. His corona virus response. Well that democrats will be rewarded politically. And it'll solve or at least defer some of these democracy problems right that like if democrats have been rewarded for governing well in the face of pandemic don't win elections and we don't have to worry about things like the electoral college gerrymandering or whatever else and i'd like to say i believe that But the baseline. I carry it around for like the first ten years of my career. That good policy is good politics and the economic fundamentals kind of rule. Everything has been pretty badly shaken by the last several years. And i hope that there are people in positions of influence who realized that this kind of vid reductionism or cova determinism or whatever you wanna call it the get this right and everything else will fall into place. Given the prevailing state of the republican party is a huge risk. Yes i mean the way that i've come to think of it is that doing the right thing is necessary to political success for probably not sufficient. That if you don't if you don't do a good job governing your screw for sure so you might as well do a really good job help. People and hope for the best but but the idea that that will transmit automatically into political victories. I think has been a little untethered. I mean the people point. Florida where the minimum wage thing got sixty percent and one and biden loss state. And it's like well if democrats remorse essentially committed things. I've been in ways. They do better. And i think there's i think there's some argument there. I think we saw it with like the checks discourse down the stretch for knocking off hand. Those are two different things whether people should get paid when wage and which people are in control are different votes and it may be the case that there's an there is not a widening gap between how people think of those two things like i want. My people in control is a more important driving question for a lot of people then like what they will do when they get there. And if if we can get the minimum wage by referendum. Maybe you don't need that other parties so much another point. I'll leave it there. But i'll close by saying i'm really grateful that you are where you are covering these issues the way you're covering them And thanks for spending all this time with us. Yeah that was great. Thanks a lot brian. thanks man. email. Chris a different. Chris sent the following question. I understand the frustrations of mitch. Mcconnell using and threatening the filibuster for everything under the sun however if it was removed couldn't he use it to pass lots of harmful legislation in the future if republicans win the senate again similar to how they use the nuclear option. That harry reid invoked to push through countless conservative judges. Would it be better to make them. Actually use the filibuster and make them stand there and talk. I worry a lot about what harm. Republicans can do if they have a senate majority with no filibuster. Here are few thoughts in response. I if republicans win big and a future election much as we might hate it and oppose it and try to discourage it. They should be able to implement their agenda salons. It's constitutional that's how democracy works and to great extent. Republicans already get to do this. Their top priorities are cutting taxes and stacking the courts with conservative judges neither of those things subject to the filibuster and when democrats tried to filibuster a republican supreme court nominee in two thousand seventeen. Mitch mcconnell just got rid of it but a lot of things. Democrats and progressives care about like civil rights laws are subject to the filibuster that means abolishing. It won't make life much easier for republicans than it already is and we have recent history to back that up there. Twenty seventeen effort to repeal the affordable. Care act failed. Not because of the filibuster. They tried to go around the filibuster. It failed because they couldn't get fifty votes for their bill. They were hobbled politically by the unpopularity of their agenda. Now that doesn't mean the filibuster couldn't be reformed rather than abolished as it stands. A single republican can hold a bill to a sixty vote threshold simply by raising his hand. Democrats try to change the rules to make that threshold apply only so long as a minority holds the floor and keeps talking to jimmy stewart way but then pass their bills by simple majority when the filibuster loses steam. That may in fact be where we're headed. Please continue sending us. Your questions are email addresses. Rubicon at crooked dot com rubicon is written and hosted by me brian. Boiler it's produced by andrew gardner bernstein. Veronica simonetti is our audio engineer. And we'll be back next week..

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

12:04 min | 1 year ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"Susan Susan Hennessy. Welcome to Rubicon. Thanks for having me. So we're at a bit of a disadvantage in that. We're recording this episode on Thursday but the key vote on whether we're going to have anything anything like a fair trial in the Senate for Donald Trump's impeachment won't happen until Friday and we may not even know how that vote is going to shake out until it actually happens so for the purposes of this conversation I wanNA focus for the most part on the proposition. Trump and his lawyers have put forth and how Republicans in particular Picula have reacted to it because it bottom Republicans seem prepared to accept it whether there are witnesses or not at eventually. The story ends without sixty seven votes to remove Donald Trump from office. How would you characterize the proposition that that? They're preparing themselves to affirm mm-hmm so nobody ever wants to be considered naive in this town. And so I say this with with a risk of being proven wrong in pretty rapid order. I'm still just refuse to believe that the Senate would actually be willing to not even call John in Bolton as a witness because that would be an expression that impeachment is not a genuine constitutional remedy. It's not a real check on executive give power it's just a raw measurement of how many members of the president's own party sit in the Senate and I think what we're seeing play out right now. I'm is the terrible terrible choice. The Republican senators have created for themselves because on one hand they want to be perceived as you undertaking. A legitimate should image investigation a legitimate trial. Even though they know full well that they intend to quit the president at the end of this and and of course I think something like seventy five percent of Americans say `I I they believe that additional witnesses should be called. I'm but the senators have a really big problem because John Bolton has come out and he's said I have a story to tell and it's really bad and it shatters a lot of the implausible deniability that you've been clinging to an. I'm going to tell that story eventually. I'm gonNA tell it in a book. I'm going to tell it in an interview. This this story is coming out and so what Republican Senators have to decide is do they want to be confronted with that story under oath and then have to actually cast a vote wrote not a furrowed brow in a Senate hallway. Not a disapproving tweet about being gravely concerned but an up or down. Vote on the question of whether or not this is acceptable. Whether or not this tolerable and I think if we get down to it and the balance of fears between between Senate Republicans of being perceived perceived as a not undertaking legitimate investigation versus the consequence of undertakings illegitimate investigation. I think that's the anguish that we're seeing. I'm playing out right now I continue to think I too hope that there will be four senators who realized that this is just not not that this that this impeachment trial simply would not be perceived as legitimate by the American public. If John Bolton doesn't come to testify but for the purposes of this recording. I think that we have to you know we're in the dark for the next twenty four hours As to how this is actually going to play out and by the time people listen to this. That question will be answered one way or another Either we're going to be in a world where John Bolton is going to testify or we're going to be in one where this is all gonna and we're going to figure out what his stories later. I just think that whichever happens. There's one more vote after after that. which is a a a quitter convict and even today? I think I count enough. Republican senators who have essentially said. Even if what Bolton's book is purported to to claim is true. I'm we're just not going to convict trump and so if we just Liba ahead to the assumption that he's acquitted what do you interpret Republicans to be saying by having acquitted him. Does that make sense. Yeah I interpret Republicans to be saying that it is tolerable. Acceptable for the president of the United States is to use the powers of his office to extort a foreign leader into becoming an opposition researcher for his political campaign. I I would say that these senators senators are voting to say that it is acceptable to have a president and in this really goes sort of the core argument. We loud in this book but a president in who does not view the interests of the office of the presidency as in any way distinct from the interests of the occupant that those are completely completely merged in political interest in financial interests. And and this really goes to the heart of trump's vision of the presidency this sense that the purpose of the presidency she is to serve the president and it serves the public only coincidentally or when convenient or as an afterthought and that isn't a question of you've expanding the edges of executive power the ordinary sort of areas in which we're used to debating limits of presidential power it it goes to the very core and it says that the president can use the these really astonishingly Empowering Authority ordeal that the constitution vests in him. I'm for his own purposes and not on behalf of the country and and if that is true and if the Senate is willing to tolerate hollering that that has long term structural ramifications across lots of different axes and and the Senate may may try to sort of kid themselves by saying. Oh No. We're making a very narrow vote about the nature of this form of an impeachable offense or that form. But but this is a blunt instrument you're either impeaching and removing the president has an or you aren't and so they really are fooling themselves if they don't think that the ultimate statements that they're making is. This is acceptable acceptable and they are accepting. I'm glad you brought up John Bolton for this reason because you're a you could in theory imagine a situation in which for plus Republican senators not enough to convict him but enough to say. There's a real problem here get together and say look like we're not going to there's no reason to To to draw this proceeding indefinitely but we acknowledge something terrible happened here and so we're interested in is in. What can we do as legislators power to say okay? We're not going to remove him from office office but we are going to take some steps to make sure that this doesn't become the norm at least in our Party and censoring him. Yo ramping ramping. Up a regular oversight activities and that's just not in the cart. Nobody's even discussing that as an option Which is why I feel like take the emergence of Bolton and and and what we believe we know he is in his book is so revelatory Is like most trump scandal seem to follow this pattern where he and all of the principals deny whatever their alleged to have done outright. Then say it didn't it didn't happen but if it did happen it wouldn't be so bad and then finally I did it and it was awesome and to me what striking about the role. The boat revelations have played is how how quickly they moved us from step two to step three where where Republicans and trump's lawyers have been kinda stuck saying could pro quos normal but even here Democrats Kratz haven't proved that trump ever explicitly linked Ukraine aid to Sham Biden investigations. Bolton's you know book the details of what's in Bolton's book book come out and he says that's bullshit and actually trump did exactly that almost overnight. We we get to trump and everyone around him kinda claiming dictatorial power to cheat in his own election which leaves no space for any kind of intermediate remedy. Does that make sense. I think it does look. I think what has been happening. Is You know the idea that there were there were senators who And you know in good faith were looking at the the record produced by the House and they saw this evidence and some of it was somewhat troubling. And Gosh Gosh it really does look like the president did one investigations into his political opponent. Joe Biden and his son or at least the announcement of those investigations. And Gosh. It really does look like the President United States frozen military aid to Ukraine and then lied about it in an head why he did it from Congress but shucks. I just don't know how we could possibly tie those. It's two things together. which by the way what people like? Kurt Volker attempted to testify to a while. We knew there was this one bad thing happening knew there. Was this other bad thing happening. But you're telling me see these two bad things were actually about the same thing or it's a whole game has been this completely implausible story. That's how these two things were not connected. And here's John Bolton coming forward and saying they're connected and I can testify to what the president actually said putting both of these things in the exact same sentence and what that does is it pops sort of implausible deniability that we've seen so many actors operating an in bad faith and we should acknowledge that they're pretending right it's not that they actually. They're actually stunned by this new revelation. They're pretending because they know that they eventually are going to vote to quit. The president of the United States and so the problem is is that that now requires a pivot right. You can't just say well. Of course it would be incredibly disturbing if the president tied military aid to abusive investigations nations. Something that Lindsey Graham and many others actually said at the outset of the revelations of this scandal you know but we're not going to call a witness before for the Senate who is who is a person who's imposition actually. Tie those two things together. You can't make that argument plausibly. And so instead you have to move into this really astonishing initiative constitutional argument and and really that is the heart of the argument. The heart of the argument is that the president of the United States is allowed to use the powers of his office for any purpose. He'd like so long as he can articulate at least some rationale for why it was in fact on behalf of the public interest even if there's also a corrupt motive present present and it doesn't matter how how implausible or contradicted by the documentary record. That sort of that rationale of why he was doing on behalf of the public might be so long as you can say something and really what we're talking about here is is a completely unconstrained unconstrained executive an executive that does not need to in fear impeachment and removal and the exercise of his office so long as he knows that the Senate is controlled by members. I have his own party so in researching on making the presidency. Were you struck by any historical examples of the presidency. Changing alarming ways but in ways. That didn't didn't ever stick in hindsight we can kind of say. We dodged a bullet entered. Johnson is probably the best example of this so Johnson actually is impeach although not removed. She's the first president to be impeached. And he's sort of trumpy figure right he's He's a demagogue. He've he allies. He you you know. He insults his political opponents. He's actually one of the articles of impeachment is. It's for the way he speaks and sort of his language. I'm in search for for being a little bit like a like a trump rally actually was one of the articles of impeachment and of course for ignoring the log knowing the constraints of the law ignoring ignoring the The legislature as a CO equal branch. And he's impeached. And it's kind of a blip People talk about Johnson now but but just as a negative example for rape kind of president that you don't WanNa be and so you know.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

05:23 min | 1 year ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"Hey Rubicon fans. It's Brian if you're listening to this then hopefully already know that we've just launched a new weekly newsletter here at crooked media. It's called big tent. I write it and my goal is to walk with you through the big debates unfolding among Democrats in real time from the campaign trail to the Senate floor to the most productive venues twitter. And I want to do that because the issues we argue about and how we work them out. We'll both shape the future of the progressive movement we share and probably also help determine whether Donald trump gets a second terminate. The first edition just came out on Friday January thirty first. But you can subscribe today at crooked dot com slash big tent I'm really psyched about this. I hope you sign up and encourage people you know to sign up to China.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

11:57 min | 1 year ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"It's complicated because in ordinary trial. You're completely right that the prosecutor would say and you will hear evidence that one thing. The prosecutor can't do in a trial title because it's not lawful is to say in the opening statement in front of the grand jury the witnesses already said thus and such and so therefore the guy is guilty because you can't in ordinary trial refer to evidence that was gathered outside of the trial. The whole principle of due process of law is that the evidence has to be brought to bear right there in front of the jury. So that's not what happens in ordinary trial at all the prosecutors here. The house managers had no choice but to do that because they may not have a chance to call any witnesses but they did have more leeway than an ordinary prosecutor would because they can refer freely to all of the evidence that was gathered in front of the House House which you could not do it in a criminal trial. The Way I think about all this is that there are signals the Senate can and has in the past provided to indicate to the public. I guess that the trial outcome ref would reflect impartial. Justice like one is through. Consensus is if if senators agree on the trial rules. One hundred zero like they did in the in the Clinton case. That's a pretty strong indication that the Senate believes it's equipped to to render judgment fairly and another. would be like the completeness of the record you know if the question is has it received or sought all the information it needs to make decisions about guilt. Answer's yes that's a pretty strong indication that the public whether they're happy with the outcome or not should treated treated as legitimate. Yeah you're right and I know what you're saying which is completely true and correct raises a really fascinating question to me which is is given that the Republicans in the Senate no they ninety nine percent likelihood have the votes to vote not to remove Donald Trump from office purpose and given that they could get the legitimacy you're describing by having farrow and agreed upon procedure and then listening to the witnesses and then voting. Why aren't they doing it? I mean that really is a hard question and I don't mean to ask that in some. You know purely rhetorical by saying. Why aren't they doing that? I'm trying to force them into doing it. I'm actually asking a genuine question. What is it that they're so concerned about? I mean if John Bolton testifies and says his worst do we. I really think that that's GONNA move enough senators to change the outcome to get us to a two thirds majority necessary to remove Donald Trump. I would be stunned if that were the case. Yes so I mean. Imagine the worst thing that John Bolton can say yes I went into Donald trump and I told him. This violates national security and it's an impeachable offense and he said to me I don't care you know I wanna get reelected Ima- imagine that that was the testimony. Do we really believe that would get us. Two thirds majority of centers. I kind of don't and so I don't don't really understand at a deep level. Why the Senate majority is taking the risk of the whole trial being seen as illegitimate? Unless you think that the the answer is that they are so committed to the idea that the whole process is illegitimate. They're so committed to Donald Trump's narrative. The whole impeachment is as he keeps on saying a hoax. Folks you know fake that they think there's nothing wrong with doing it their way as a hoax and as a fake and then they'll just say yeah well they did a hoax. We did a hoax. I do think that Jr on a cer- like working on a on a completely different plane that there is something important about trying to get Congress to win in this basic question of whether these people have to testify whether these documents have to be produced in an impeachment that's in part about obstruction of Congress that that whether it has any bearing on how the senators ultimately vote or if senators enters ultimately vote to acquit on charges. Anyway I if this process ends with the obstruction both having been You know Attempted and then be having been successful and see he gets acquitted. Anyway that's just a roadmap for future presidents to engage in wholesale cover-ups like this and I mean maybe that's Maybe that's a kind of argument that that the house managers should be making about. Why testimony is important even though there's already enough to convict But that's one thing that's actually worried me about how what's going to happen if they get to the end of all this they Vote not to hear any more witnesses see anymore documents and then quit and then I have you know in a in a trial that was about obstructing congress in part. That's a great point and I'm also worried about that. You know one thing that I have been saying. All along about the obstruction of Congress articles of impeachment is the reason you know that it was appropriate to impeach the president as if Congress starts impeachment inquiry in the present. stonewalls says. I'M NOT GONNA cooperate in the end. The only remedy left that saves us from a presidency. That's completely above. The law is impeachment. Like that's the only thing you can do if you're the house right you say you're gonNA impeach and and the President says I won't cooperate you know you can't go to the courts and compel it not realistically and frankly it's entirely possible that the courts would've said not our problem impeachment is your soul power. Not Ours is an all you can do is to impeach under those circumstances and if you know the president is then nevertheless. LS Not removed from office. It does send that message as you say that the president can just get away with it. And that's very worrisome. For the basic structure basic structure of our government. Some future presence might not want to be impeached and I will say that. The second article of impeachment was unnecessary from the president's perspective. Active he could have fought the individual witnesses one at a time without announcing in that grand way that he did that he wouldn't cooperate in any way and if he had done that he would have escaped that second article of impeachment. So you know that was I would call that an unforced error. I actually think he was an unforced error that should be attributed it at least in parts of the White House counsel who wrote that letter and signed that letter and who is now defending the president so apparently the president doesn't think it was an error because he's relying on the same guy right now to defend him. That's a separate question. Like why is that. Okay but bottom line there is a serious serious danger that if president think they can get away with two stonewalling that the congress congressional power to impeach will just eroded to nothing. Let's let's wind down on on that point because I think think it's right to say this will be the first time the Senate has used it so power to try impeachment to conceal rather than consider evidence period. Right I think so. Oh Yeah I mean. I can't think of any prior example. Where they're where they're not trying to get witnesses not trying to get more information so just taking it as a given that impeachment supporters and Democrats and you know hopefully a growing list of people as time goes on Talk about it that way and try to leave an asterisk next to this trial l.. What will the consequences for the impeachment? Power be going forward or can we even say anything about that before the next election. We'll as you say. The election is hugely significant and we will interpret events in light of that election after the fact even if there's no good hard scientific reason to think they ought to be so. If trump is not removed from office as seems probable and is then reelected right we end the judgement of history will be boy. Impeachment has completely lost the Umph that historically had you know the idea that you know bill. Clinton's legacy was seriously tainted anted by impeachment. The idea that Richard Nixon resigned rather than being a running the risk of being impeached not just removed but but impeach that will look like a a very faint relic of a of a lost time if on the other hand trump is not convicted and then loses in the election even if he would have lost the election anyway. You know people will say well you see. Impeachment is vindicated. Maybe you weren't able to remove the president from office but the taint of impeachment was so significant that it had an impact on the presidential election. And we'LL WANNA tell ourselves that story because we want to legitimate our existing institutions creaky old constitution. You know two hundred and twenty five plus plus years old and there's a way in which you know no other country in the world still runs its affairs in this way since we enacted our Constitution. France has been through five reboots right Francis on what they call their fifth republic. That's their five point. Oh their version. Five point oh of their constitution at a time that we're still stuck doc with basically the same thing although with you know at the reconstruction amendments added in but when it comes to impeach him. We've got the exact same creaky thing we've already had always had and it's possible that it just doesn't work anymore and that's something that's painful but we need to confront that reality. I want to offer you a close on on a happier. Thought of you have on for for listeners. Or if if there's any sort of optimistic side to how you you see these events playing out well there is. There is because right right now whether you and I are speaking. We're we're in the middle of events and I think you know it's appropriate for us to be honest. I think you've been and I'm trying to be also about the genuine threat to structure of our institutions that exists but we are not speaking right now at a point where those institutions are destroyed. You know the president of United States took actions agency that to my mind at least are clearly at the core of what the framers thought should be impeachable and he was impeached. So in that sense offense. The institution is working correctly as we speak. The institution is working correctly in that impeachment occurred. The trial may insert raised illegitimate the non-removal of the president. If that's what happens in certain ways be a legitimate. They're all these problems they're real. We've been talking about them but it remains possible still that our democratic institutions will be robust enough to save us. You Know Donald Trump could lose the next election and then we will be able to tell ourselves with some credibility we got through it. You know our long national nightmare there will then in some way over. We shouldn't be naive about it. Even if that happens we should go back and look at what we can do better but that is still a possible outcome..

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

16:34 min | 1 year ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"The GAO report that you mentioned earlier. You know this finding finding that yeah the military hold violated the law All of that in a political sense is giving an enormous amount of momentum and I think you know whether it'll break the damn on Senate Republicans holding trump accountable. I mean I still people are pretty pessimistic. But the pressure is just like Ruben. Ratcheted up and ratcheted up. I think way more than had none of this come out in the interim from the time that the articles were voted on and then if they had been transmitted right away I think in the space that was created by Polisi holding them back and the amount of shoes that have dropped in the meantime have you know. Put the pressure on you know just made it feel more urgent and I think for the trump administration must make them feel incredibly really nervous. Because I don't think they know when the next shoe will drop. I think they know what shoes could drop because they know exactly what happened. But they don't know when they'll drop in like for example today Robert Hyde who's this Republican who's running running for Congress in Connecticut who was the one who was texting with I love Parnasse about possibly serving Marie Ivanovich in Ukraine. And you know whether or not they were like contemplating depleting a hit on her as it sounds like but that they've both denied sense His house was raided today by the FBI. So like who knows knows what's coming next is is how I see it i. I'm really glad you put it that way. Because you're scoop underscored to me exactly why. The trump administration obstructed congress in the first place in by Republicans particularly the Senate have done have signaled that the desire many of them have to keep as much new information from coming to light as possible but also I think illustrated a lesser disgust. Piece piece of the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi's decision to hang onto the articles for a few weeks Like we we tended to discuss that tactic through the lens of weather. It would force Mitch McConnell till admit defeat in some way or or or whether Senate Republicans individually would come out and say you know I'm I'm GonNa Not Vote for any motion. That doesn't allow us to call witnesses. And so you know now that the trial is getting underway and you know sure ince's of that sort have been made You see a lot of You Know Post Game Analysis of this decision. The policies gambit failed in some sense. But I think that's totally wrong right In part because this this flood of information that's coming out is is so unsettling that it seems like like it will make it very difficult for fifty one republicans to vote to shutdown new factfinding But also so because Pelosi kind of created as window right like that irrespective of what Republicans were going to do with their votes or how they were going to allow the trial to be structured assured the there was just this opening she created for people with information to to come forward right like. There's a strong indication that the Republicans in the Senate are leaning towards not allowing witnesses not allow documents To to come to light so in this limited period that Pelosi created stuff has started to come out Do you see. Do you see it that way or did you see it when you were reporting out your story that this was like an effect of of her having created some sense of uncertainty about when the trial would be allowed to start. I definitely didn't see it when I was reporting my story. I was sort of head down and you know oblivious because it's the holidays I'd his own I don't I'm not can't get in her head so I don't know how much I mean. She certainly didn't know in to some extent what was coming down the pike. I mean in terms of my own reporting I can see. That's for sure the partners I mean left parts had certainly indicated before that I believe if I'm remembering correctly like I'm GonNa Talk to Congress and I'm GONNA turn stuff. He might have already turned some of his documents over. So I think that and everybody's aware that this documentary evidence is out there So it I mean. In retrospect it seems like it was you know a wise move move on her part Trying to think there was something else you said but I'm now Oh I was thinking about how you said about Mitch McConnell and the Republicans like at this point they basically have to you know. New evidence has come forward and it now when they if they don't call witnesses and if they don't subpoenaed documents you know it'll look like they're not acting upon you know new evidence that's come forward that you really need you know. Oh you should be required to investigate and it reminded me you know on the one hand you think. Well they now have to do that like how could they their backs up against the wall but it reminded me as you're you're talking of the cavenaugh hearings and you know new. Witnesses came forward. And you know there was all this pressure to open up the FBI investigation. And they did did the sham process and call today so it's certainly not beneath them to do so do the question. What's the political cost? I I guess of doing it right right. The I mean the the Parnasse case. I'm I'm glad you mentioned it. I think it's like the most irrefutable refutable testament to the withholding the article strategy. Like he didn't his lawyer produce these incredible documents to the impeachment. Investigators and I think they like literally within hours of the House. Vote to refer the articles of impeachment to the Senate so like barely in time to be included in the factual record. And I wasn't aware that that your article had also gotten looped into the same factual records. So it you know the there. There is a quantifiable amount of information. That just was not known and to the impeachment investigators after they voted to impeach trump that became known to them before the trial began. And I think that makes it like fairly irrefutable refutable that the strategy strengthened the case itself completely apart from the question of how Republicans will vote destructor the trial or whether they'll allow allow any of this new information to affect their strong inclination to acquit trump. Did Gao finding. Today I mean I would put it in the same category gory it. It makes it really uncomfortable for the Republicans know violating the impoundment contract was not part of the you know was not an article of impeachment mint. But you now have this independent body saying the trump administration violated the law in connection to this story and you see already today today. Republicans sort of saying well the GAO's not that independent. which is you know? If that's your argument gets a losing argument And or you see them avoiding reporters they. Don't I want to comment on it. It's too it's too awkward And so the I will say from the time that the that the House voted on the articles to to where we are a day right now it is different information environment and it's a different a different political environment. I think for Senate Republicans that were already feeling a little bit uncomfortable up with just like cleaning their hands and making this go away as fast as they could. Yeah I think it was earlier today. Chuck Schumer tweeted something to the effect or said something to the effect of like you know. God Forbid Republicans. You know try to see all this information Render judgment against trump one way or another based on the incomplete record and then after they've already cast their votes to cover up whatever equipped trump the the whole truth comes out and not only have they voted for the cover it but the cover up fails retroactively and I'm watching. At least the Republican publican leadership grapple with this essential question. Like they must be aware now like it's like I think that they probably thought once the House House had voted to impeach trump that they would have a lot more control over the information environment Then they did when the house was running the show and the last two or three weeks have proven that they really don't right like there are still they're still foy they're still leakers. They're still witnesses. There's court cases that are ongoing and And these bombshells will continue to drop like in in the middle of the trial after the trial and so they are actually weighing this basic question. It's not cover up or no cover up it's it's Should we let all this information. Come out at once in the trial and then rip off the band aid and be done with it or let let it all Kinda dribble out slowly after we've already communicated with our votes our intention to to not let the public see this stuff. Yeah I'm two things I think they have to continue to obstruct because on you know I the information that's coming out is so damning and I can only imagine the information information that's being most closely protected like the Blair Duffy emails or whatever. The State Department e mails show are even worse. Like that's why we haven't haven't seen them And that's why you know the witnesses that haven't been allowed to testify Mulvaney. Blair Duffy John Bolton you know they have the worst stories to tell and so I can't imagine they take all right. Actually you know just that we can control. It will let everything come forward because it's You know it's like president. The president shooting someone Fifth Avenue. Like it's all GonNa be right there for us to see I think the other thing. That's a little tricky maybe for Democrats. It's not tricky but on the one hand there is plenty of evidence to explain what happened. between trump and Ukraine. And and you know him soliciting foreign interference in the election on that phone. Call the ties between asking for that investigation to Joe Biden and holding the military aid. The evidence is there that said. Is there more evidence out there absolutely so I think there's like this. Tricky thing that Republicans are also playing on where it's like. Well if you don't have the complete clete picture how on Earth Are you impeaching him. If there's all this stuff that still remains out there then you didn't do due diligence and so both things can be true. You can both have enough. Evidence is to move forward and there can also be plenty of evidence that still being obstructed and I think some of the allegations that Parnasse has raised just raise completely new questions like up until now the physical safety and the circumstances of Maria von riches being removed from Ukraine weren't part of the story really and as the FBI raid today shows the that's a new avenue investing of Investigation that cannot be you know just ignored or forgotten like we. I think the American public has a right to know Whether she was being threatened and back whom and where did it stop. How high up did it go? So a couple thoughts on that one is the this talking with the Republicans really have taken to about how this information coming to light just underscores that the house didn't do a very thorough job in its impeachment. Went totally allies. The point that trump has been impeached for obstructing the inquiry. Right like there's a reason. The House's factual record is incomplete complete and it's almost entirely because donald trump refused to cooperate with the inquiry. And so now he's they're going to have to vote on that article of impeachment and you the logic of what they're saying is that basically they're going to they're going to neuter their own institution and its power to compel executive branch disclosure of information. And I'm not sure for the trial will allow the impeachment managers to confront Senate Republicans with that contradiction that internal contradiction. And I'm curious to see like how how individual Republicans Republicans as a whole grapple with it The second thing is that I you know the the environment is uncertain enough that the White House is preparing for defections or at least is claiming to be preparing for defections on the question of witnesses and documents and trump himself after kind of pretending for awhile to want a fair trial. Trial now says that he might claim executive privilege if witnesses appear normally fights over that are resolved by AH accommodation between Congress and the executive branch or by courts..

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

14:44 min | 1 year ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"I have been directed by the House of Representatives to inform the Senate. The House has passed h read seven nine eight a resolution appointing and authorizing managers but the impeachment trial of Don. John John from he has been held accountable. He has been impeached. He's been impeached forever. They can never erase that. There's conventional wisdom in Washington. That goes like this. Nancy Pelosi delayed the start of Donald Trump's impeachment trial for several weeks to four Senate Republicans. Not to rig it. And since it's Mitch. McConnell didn't agree to hear from witnesses or subpoenaed documents that means she lost but the conventional wisdom is wrong. She one to see why imagine policy referred the articles of impeachment right after the House passed them. McConnell could have buried the trial in the Christmas holiday or convenient right after the New Year Senate. Republicans have dismissed the charges or acquitted trump based on the bad faith argument that the house didn't hear from firsthand witnesses. All of whom of course trump ordered not to testify testify instead Pelosi created uncertainty. There'd be no trial until we know whether Republicans plan to engage in a cover-up or not what and that left every Republican senator hounded by a simple question would they allow witnesses or would they block them. McConnell didn't quote quote Unquote Cave but it sure seems like his members did Maine Senator. Susan Collins told reporters on Friday that she's working with a small group of fellow all over Republicans on ensuring witnesses in the trial. I can't imagine that only two witnesses that our democratic colleagues would WANNA call would would be called. Sally should the Senate consider new evidence as part of the impeachment..

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

13:18 min | 1 year ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"Greg Sargent thanks for coming back on the show. Thanks for having me on Brian. So by the time people listened to this episode. Donald Trump will be impeached beached He will probably be very upset about it But because of the holidays will be in this kind of little phase where the process is still underway. But nothing's is happening If you're vulnerable Senate Republican are you happy about the pause or would you rather get it over with sooner rather than later. Well I think a lot depends on how the break goes right. I mean if they start catching hell in their in their states about from constituents who are who are angry about the potential for a sham. I am process Sham trial. Then I think that they hate to have to wait. I mean it's GonNa be on democratic groups and pro rule of law groups to kick up a lot of fuss during that period and get some pressure on them along those lines. Those of us who supported impeachment from the outset have made the argument that there's this value in doing it even if Republicans are going to make sure that trump's days in office Because the process the forcing Republicans in the House and Senate to take votes it all those votes essentially constitute them his corruption their own. How do you think that proposition looks today? Well I think it looks really good and you can see that very clearly in precisely what Mitch McConnell is doing to try and turn this trial Ryland to a very quick little. Donald Trump was out there and I don't really think we should place much stock in this. But he was out there saying oh I want to turn this into a AH a festival of of baying for Hunter. Biden's head on a platter and Mitch McConnell Essentially shut that down pretty quick and said no and I think as you wrote somewhere Mitch McConnell was saving trump from himself. And doing this as well as saving his own marginal members from long drawn out trial. Point being though that Mitch Inch Mitch. McConnell understands as well as anyone else does that the more facts that are brought into evidence the worse it is for the marginal Republican senators and tough places like Susan Susan Collins and main Martha mcsally and errors in Arizona and so forth. I had direct experience of that earlier this week. I was able to get The video of Susan Collins in Nineteen Ninety nine during the Bill Clinton impeachment trial calling for more witnesses and evidence. I am willing to travel. The road owed wherever it leads whether it's to the conviction or the acquittal of the president but in order to do that I need more evidence. I need witnesses and further evidence to guide me to the right destination to get to the truth and I was surprised that they got back to me. Pretty quick with a quote from Senator herself saying I haven't made the decision on the witness issue in this particular case now. This is only a process question. You'd think thank right but it's a tough process question. Do you want to vote for the cover up or do you want to vote for transparency and truth and The fact that Susan Collins this is struggling with this I think shows that even just going through the motions is tough for them. Yeah I mean it's there's you know multiple all steps here right there's Probably going to be some sort of resolution to establish the ground rules of the trial and then at some point votes on witnesses and then the vote vote on whether to acquit or convict. And it's obviously Mitch McConnell's goal to make sure that the Republicans vote to convict and ideally the Republicans ever have to vote for any witnesses at all so that just that means he's going to try to around fifty one votes to basically basically dismissed the charges Before you even get to place where house. Impeach managers can request or demand Mick Mulvaney or John Bolton testify before the Senate every phase of that process the the cost to Republicans I think becomes higher her but that just means that at the at the early phase you know. Are we going to. Are we going to have a fair trial at all Mitch. McConnell can lose two or three senators give them a free free pass to say I want to hear from witnesses but if you get fifty one votes to dismiss they can say look. I tried tried to vote for A process where Where we heard from witnesses? My colleagues disagreed. So now I have to vote With what we have before us from from the articles articles of impeachment in the presentation of them by by the managers. And I don't think there's enough there to convict so I quit. And thus every Republican Senator Votes votes to acquit. And I. I don't think that that's like a highly unlikely outcome And I guess it just it gets to. It gets to my thinking about like like what more Democrats could do. I obviously votes to cover up Trump's crimes you know say no to any witness testimony are going to be bad for whichever vulnerable. Republicans have to take those votes but you know should Democrats have. I've been beating the drum starting in September that that Republicans need to be committing to a fair trial now should Democrats be withholding unrelated legislation education. Like the Defense Authorization Act or the The NAFTA UPDATE and just saying we're not going to play ball with you on on other things if what you're going to do is complete the cover up. Trump is asking you. Well I just want to return to something you said earlier about the scenario a scenario ruin which Mitch McConnell. Let's to two or so of the marginal senators Make fake noises about wanting a real trial and then still oh passing a quick Acquittal with fifty one or passing the initial steps to the acquittal by essentially getting past the process stuff with fifty one votes I think the calculation there becomes complicated for them right because even if they do that even if Susan Collins and Cory Gardner and Martha mcsally or whichever three you pick are allowed to to sort of make their fake noises. If the whole thing is a sham. It's still bad for Senate Republican. That's true right now. The the because I mean in this era of nationalized voting right everything turns on the national narrative and one really interesting thing will to track will be whether they're those marginal senators privately go to McConnell and say we really need a real We need a real proceeding at least something more or than just a quick fifty one vote now right and if that happens of course then they run more risks in addition right. That's that's really the spot they're in so I mean I guess the in terms of messaging it seems like the thing that Democrats can do that could be most effective. Active is just to continue to spotlight the facts right. I mean look how quickly the debate shifted when Schumer just sent that one letter now. I think there's an argument that that shows. They should have been doing it more more aggressively earlier but it just goes to show you that just one. There's if there's one thing that the press can get right on this stuff it's a cover up or not cover. I'm right right do house. Democrats have any substantive role to play with their own powers Going going forward now that they've passed the articles so I think there's all this talk about them holding onto the impeachment and not sending it over one thing one reason I'm a little skeptical optical of that and I'm happy to be told I'm wrong about this you know there's been a lot of criticism of leadership for doing it too quickly for doing it. Too narrowly and so forth. I was for for a broader impeachment. I would've been happy to have a little longer or somewhat longer but I really wonder whether there's a genuine risk of some of these moderate starting to drop off off if it if it drags on right now. I don't know what happens from the point of view of those moderate members. If you pass the articles through the House the impeachments done and then you hold it. I suspect that they'd still not like that right. Because what they want is for took pushed over to the Senate I mean they want the hot potato out of their exact hands. But I'm going to switch metaphors. There's no such thing as half pregnant with impeachment Schmidt right you can't vote for the resolution that sets the rules of impeachment And then learn all this horrible stuff and then vote against impeachment. Which is why you know you? You have a basically unanimous democratic caucus voting for the articles of impeachment. Having voted for them. If more bad news comes to light about trump nick more evidence that he committed further impeachable offenses comes too late. You don't get to you. Don't save yourself anything by ignoring them. You've already voted for the impeachment. If you're scared the the voters in your district are going to be mad at you for that. It's that that ship has sailed it's overwrite so there's an argument that I think leadership should make to them though like we should press what we have to our fullest advantage and if that means is Holding more hearings damage trump. That's good for all democrats If that means You know holding the articles impeachment in order to make a stink about About the fact that the Senate majority leader has already announced. He wants to read the trial. That's all all to the better like the the the hard part is over the you know they are already You know going to be Identified in ads ads or whatever and Republican campaigns in the fall has members who voted to impeach trump. It's already happened so it reminds me in a weird way of back when Congress was debating the affordable care act and in Democrats were agonizing over whether they should do a public option or not or a national exchange versus a state based health insurance exchange and it was just so beside. The point is like it's obamacare either. You're going to vote for Obamacare or against it so stop agonizing over the little details If you decided that you need to vote for this because it's the right thing to do but you're scared about the political consequences down the line. The picayune details details aren't GonNa be what what causes you problem. It's going to be the vote. Will the votes done. So now. Just you know. Make the most of it That's sort of how I see it I I guess. I'm curious for your thoughts on that. Well I just want to try and step back and and raise a bigger point about all of this. I think we're almost pinning too much on some of this process stuff we know he's getting acquitted. Right we know that's going to happen. Okay we would like there to be a trial that's real. I think we don't know whether even if that happened. How much we would get from Bolton and Mulvaney although I would love to see it tried right so I don't? I don't know that that we can actually expect too much of a range of options at the end of this chapter right here right to me what I think really matters. There's more as what happens after the impeachment on the equival. Right if the Democrats continue to prosecute this stuff in court if they try to you know get testimony from people. Oh and by the way to go back to the point you raised before the possibility of other things breaking. You know. There's this I think there's a sort of illusion out there that this ends with trump's trump's acquittal right it doesn't I mean all these Republicans who vote no on the articles in the House and all the Republicans who vote to acquit. The Senate and. I think it's almost certainly going to be near unanimous in both right. Yeah what really is going to end up mattering over the long. Longterm is what comes out after and I think there's a extremely good chance we're GONNA get incredibly big revelations down the line that are at least as bad as the ones we already know the trial unless something unexpected happens and who knows maybe by the time you listen to this We'll be in a very different place but the trials probably going to start Artan early January. So we're talking a couple of weeks to To communicate to as much of the country as possible that Senate Republicans are going to try to short circuit witness testimony to complete a cover up for Donald Trump. How do you get the message out there? If you're the Democratic Party you know everyone's going to scatter the four To the four winds in and people are going to be with their families on Christmas and new years. And how do you. How out of you before before Mitch? McConnell manages to get that vote done. How do you get the word out in this environment on the short timeframe well? I don't really have an answer to that and I don't think anybody does right. I mean the information environment is really screwed up right now unless you're running official proceedings. You can't really get the sort of punch that you need..

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

07:18 min | 1 year ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"We need to show that they can get things done in Washington but if you if you if you draw the like that like the fallacy is pretty obvious there right okay. So why don't they just pass everything that Donald Trump wants. It'll prove that they can get things done. Of course that means Donald Trump will become more popular and suddenly their ability to hold on to their districts. Democrats ability to hold the House Democrats ability to beat trump in the election and starts deteriorating right so like at some level down to how much of an emergency do you think we're in right and the frustration. Is that Pelosi and some of these other Democrats crats are not treating this like it's sufficient emergency right. It's an it is to my mind and emergency that overrides. All other policy goals right. We have eleven eleven months to decide whether we're going to continue to be a liberal democracy or not and whether or not you got a better deal in prescription drug prices the prescription drug prices are really important. But they're actually not as important as that. Yeah so I I actually think about this in almost the exact same way is that if Democrats rats are going to like cut if they're going to quote cut deals with trump They really ought to be a one shot deal. You're not gonNA have a second. The second chance to to get this done. That really advanced the ball on some progressive goal and They should also be issues issues. Sort of code as a Democratic Party issues so like I traced out a hypothetical that if trump were willing to pair a big minimum wage hike. Fifteen dollars minimum wage. Whatever in order to get this trade deal done like I'd probably get there? I think that that ends. You know you you get so much out of it that it might be worth it. And it's clear that trump gave some to get some and so it's not just a a straight victory for him but if you don't have that kind of You know situation at hand If the benefits are marginal or if you think that future Democratic president can do as well or better than you just don't do it right like this is not cutting the same trade deal with Mitt Romney it would be totally unremarkable of Democrats. were making this deal with Mitt Romney But in a world with democracy under threat and the US president is the single biggest part of that threat then handing him easily spun on victories. That validate key parts of his message. Seems like such an obvious mistake that I'm kind of stunned and I WANNA go back to this idea of despair that I was talking about about earlier because you know it's it's obviously not just me right. I mean I wrote this thing because I had this sort of ambien sense that it was happening The reaction to it was has got a ton of feedback from other people who are feeling the same thing. Recently I started reaching out to therapists to talk to them about what their patients are saying about trump I lasted this in the run up to the election I started talking to therapists about patients who had a lot of anxiety that trump would win the election. It's kind of heartbreaking. Because one way that they helped them manage that anxiety was to help them. See how unlikely that possibility was. She's obviously not possible anymore. Right so I've been talking to therapists pissed. You know in in blue parts of the country but who say that trump comes up in almost for some of them. Trump comes up in almost every session right and and I was just talking to somebody this morning. Who was telling me that She feels like people have moved from the state of hyper Hyper vigilance to a state of despair and that despair is I mean. It's dangerous for them but it's dangerous for all of us. We cannot ah go into election with are people feeling that By the way she was saying that some of the people that she treats they're having the hardest time with what's happening are are Holocaust survivors. And so I think that our people the people who are going to hopefully have a chance to save democracy In eleven months. They need to feel like they have a champion. They need to feel like there's somebody who recognizes the scale of the emergency who recognizes is. How terrified they are and who can stand up for them and inasmuch as we have everybody focused on this little tiny demographic slivers hours of these front-line districts? I don't think we have that and I think it's it's really really dangerous before wrapping it up. I did want to talk to little bit about the trial. What you anticipate it looking like stipulating that Sitting here we don't think that there's anywhere close to twenty the republican votes to remove him. What do you think it looks like? Are you concerned about these murmurings among moderate Democrats. They might prefer censure rather than impeachment. Of course I'm concerned terrified and I mean it's it's it's so self defeating it makes it makes my head want to explode. I mean I cannot fathom why they think that kind of getting to this point and then let essentially leading donald trump off the hook would be You know an a good idea not just for a good for the country but ultimately a good idea for them but the other thing that concerns me about the Senate trial With Bill Clinton's Senate trial. I think there was three witnesses called. I would be surprised if there's even that many I mean from what I've read there's you know there's trump who wants to turn it into a big circus and try to call hundred Biden and try to call all these other people in some sense. I feel like that would be the better situation for Democrats. Go find you call Hunter Biden but we're also calling Rudolph Giuliani and we're also calling. You know life partners and all these other figures a trial in which kind of nobody's but he's called and it's just kind of a bunch of Senate floor speeches seems really anticlimactic all right. Let's leave it there. Michelle Goldberg. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. That's it for this week. By next week's episode. The impeachment of Donald Trump should be complete and we will be awaiting the trial of Donald Donald Trump in the United States senate. That trial probably won't begin until January But that doesn't mean everything will be on hold until then there's another transcript out there. The Democrats want to see this one between Ukrainian President Vladimir's Alinsky and vice president. Mike pence so the chase is on for that will also likely learn whether and when the supreme cream court will hear arguments over president. Trump's challenges to all these subpoenas of his financial records and one silver lining of a narrow impeachment investigation.

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

12:47 min | 1 year ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"Some of you on this committee appear to believe Russia and its security services did not conduct campaign against our country and that perhaps Somehow for some reason you credit. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by Russian security services themselves. And there's a story about impeachment that goes like this. Democrats moved to impeach Donald Trump two months ago because unlike the Russia scandal the Ukraine scandal is simple easy for the public to understand if you've heard that story before you may have heard this one that actually there are no distinct Russia and Ukraine scandals. There's just one scandal through two weeks of impeachment hearings. We learned a lot about the Ukraine backstory. The hoops president trump and his subordinates jumped through before he hopped on the phone with his Ukrainian counterpart Vladimir Zelinski. And said. I would like you to do us a favor though but what the hearings left fairly murky is how and when trump came to view the allied government of Ukraine as a target for and partner in corruption. It's not as though trump had a normal relationship with Ukraine before he became nervous about the twenty twenty election and then pick Zelinski is name out of a hat to understand how we got here. We have to go back to the beginning long before Donald Trump became president. You were reportedly the closest political geyser American Political Adviser to victory on a coach of Ukraine. Frayne who is a close ally Vladimir Putin Russia. If you're listening I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing being. There's been some controversy about something in the Republican Party Platform. That essentially changed. The Republican Party's views when it comes to I Ukraine. How much influence did you have on changing that language? Sir I had none in fact I didn't even hear of it until after I convention was over. Where did it come from then because everybody on the platform committee had said it came from the trump campaign if not you and frankly that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama the people of Crimea me up from what I've heard would rather be with Russia than where they were? Let's talk about this new reporting from the New York Times this morning about Paul Manafort and his dealings in The Ukraine with Viktor Yanukovych. He was a consultant for Victor Yanukovych and apparently the times and investigators have gone back and found these handwritten ledgers breaking news. Here more changes at the very top of the trump campaign. I'm told that this morning. His Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort offered and Donald Trump accepted his resignation. Paul Manafort joined the trump campaign in March of twenty sixteen around the time. The campaign came came to learn that Russia intended to leak dirt had stolen from Democrats at the time. Manafort was deeply in debt to a modeling Russian billionaire named Oleg Der Pasta and yet he agreed to work for trump pro bono. By that point trump had already made a big bazaar showing his admiration for Vladimir Putin but Manafort's unexpected arrival on the scene brought someone who had been at the center of the struggle between Russia and the West over the future of Ukraine into the heart of the trump operation seven and he was firmly on Russia's side between trump's deference to Putin and Manafort's lasting influence trump's relationship with Ukraine crane has never really been on the level last year. The Ukrainian government froze all of its ongoing investigations of manafort including its cooperation. With special counsel. Counsel Robert Muller in an Echo of the current extortion scandal Ukraine took that action just as the US finalized the sale of Javelin missiles to strengthen Ukraine's hand in. It's hot war with Russia. The country's president time was pets report. SHANECO who was once a client of you guessed it Paul Manafort and pour a Shaneco who's going to manufacture dirt on trump's political enemies until he unexpectedly lost the presidency to an anti corruption. Political reformer named Vladimir's Alinsky Alinsky or consider the Russian conspiracy theories that Rudy Giuliani pedaled on trump's behalf about the Biden's and Ukrainian interference in the two thousand sixteen election election. The became the subject of the trump Zielinski call on July twenty fifth. Giuliani pluck those from Russian aligned. Ukrainian oligarch named Dmitri for Tush. who was once business partners with again Paul Manafort and where did for Tosh get those conspiracy theories we'll probably from any number of places but the vector who imported that disinformation into the United States needs no introduction metaphors former or deputy Rick Gates has testified that manafort began pushing it starting before the twenty sixteen election? So this question. Why did trump takes such a predatory Oy posture with the new government of Ukraine? The short answer is simple. He wanted to cheat in the election but why pick on Ukraine in the first place that is part of a much longer story. My guest. This week is frank four. He's written extensively about Manafort and Ukraine in the Atlantic Manic. We'll look back at the origins of the Ukraine scandal and how they disappear into a larger story of corruption Russian election interference and the two thousand sixteen election. I'm Brian Butler. And this is Rubicon. frank thanks for being here pleasure So for a while. Now I've thought that the best way to kind of place. The Ukraine scandal in the wider constellation of trump's corruption is to just try to answer the question. How did the Ukraine scandal start? Because when I tried to pinpoint an origin I realized that the DOTS actually extend way into the past and it didn't just begin at random in May of this year when trump I had a freak out about about his standing in the election and having to run against Joe Biden. So how is he as you understand it. Did the Ukraine scandals start so I go back to this core question that critics have always asked about Donald Trump which is is this guy vulnerable to foreign manipulation and and people ask that question because of the wide array of properties that he owned around the world and the way that his business interests were tangled up in places where you authoritarian governments who just weren't abiding by the same sorts standards that that we abide by it. So I think you kind of have to go go back and look at the long history of people from the former Soviet Union trying to manipulate trump in various area sorts of ways and some of the relation is is willing and trump is fully aware of. What's happened a lot of it is subconscious and I think when you have oligarchs from Russia or Ukraine they look at trump and they say oh? This guy is a totally familiar figure. We understand how his mind works. We understand how he can be. He can be influenced and so people were using various channels to try to to sway way Donald Trump. And you know I think the first time. We really started to acutely conceptualize what was happening. I think is with the Manafort Fort Scandal where you said. This guy came from came from Ukraine. He was working for the Pro Russian party. Why was he why did he descended on the trump campaign? But I look all the way through and I see I see you have oligarchs In Ukraine rain who have constantly been trying to figure out. What's the right channel? Is it the campaign chairman. Is it the personal lawyer They're hiring Fox. News commentators as their lawyers are getting columns placed in the hill by by columnist who they can pretty well be sure is going going to end up in Donald Trump's twitter feed and so there's also the sense of they know exactly how to rile him up. It's a look at that Ukraine scandal. You know the the the narrow question that shift is focus on is. was there a quid pro quo. Was He trying to extort Ukrainians wins in order to get dirt on his political opponent. But I look at it and I say if I look at the transcripts now look at the whole narrative of the scandal. I'd say the president was very actively in successfully manipulated by bad actors in this part of the world who who were very very successful in shifting the foreign policy of the United States to suit their aims. I'm glad you put it that way because you listeners. who heard the INTRO Will suspect that I think Paul Manafort is a big part of the origin story of the of Ukraine scandal. And I definitely believe that but there are these episodes is it. Don't quite fit the picture right like after After trump's been elected and MANAFORT's no longer in the in the middle of trump world. There's there's this story about this Ukraine peace plan right that that makes its way to Mike. Flynn who was then the national security adviser but it doesn't come from manafort directly comes uh-huh maybe not for Manafort at all. It comes from Michael Cohen and and Felix Seder. who were You know in league with the same same sort of shady people that you just described but on a sort of a different channel and even I wonder you know and I'm pretty pretty thick and all this like how critical critical Manafort is to the story. Because if you imagined he'd like never worked for trump Trump was still very much in Russia's debt When the election and ended He was singing Putin's praises long before Manafort joined the campaign. He was working on the Moscow. Tower project independently Manafort and and. It seems conceivable to me that we were always going to end up here. Because Russia help trump win and Russia's leverage over trump and so trump was going to side with the store corrupt factions actions in Ukraine rather than the pro-western reformers. No matter what I think. That's I think this would happen absent. Paul Manafort because you you have a lot of people in so I think that the the actually the crucial thing is the development of the relationship between Ukraine in the United States. It's and I'm just GONNA. I think this is a foreign policy story in addition to being a corruption story which is that Russia is a revolution in Ukraine in two thousand fourteen. The PRO Russian government. The Paul Manafort works for gets swept out of power they get replaced by By by a more liberal democratic regime albeit still oligarch kick and the United States starts spending a lot of money protecting Ukraine and that gives us leverage over Ukraine. So you have somebody. He like Ambassador Marie Ivanovich who's in Ukraine. All American ambassadors always wanted Ukraine to behave in a less corrupt sort of way they've always wanted presidents to challenge Ukraine's oligarchy system. But finally we had all this leverage over the government and the government starts taking actions to clean clean itself up and so you got a lot of oligarchs who were suddenly very much on the defensive. Paul Manafort's clients were on the defensive. You've Rudy Giuliani's kind of new clients and the people that he collaborated with in this extortion scheme were suddenly on the defensive and and so they needed to find a way to undermine the US embassy in Kiev and so they see that Donald Trump was a guy who they could manipulate into doing their bidding. They're and they're the way that they were able to entice. Donald trump to their side was to feed him a lot of bogus. This conspiracy theories that he bought into because they were They all adopted the kind of the memes of Donald Trump. They there were arguments about the deep state. They were arguments about how he was. His opponents. Were manipulating things that were arguments about. How Ukraine was the one manipulating the election? Not Russia and so they knew how they knew how to to to to to go him they knew his psyche..

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"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

12:20 min | 1 year ago

"donald trump." Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"Jurassic. We'll discuss the dots left unconnected by the impeachment been increased so far and what we risked by not connecting them. I'm Brian Butler Quinta Jurassic. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me so I guess. Let's just start with your global assessment of the impeachment process as it stands in specifically what you thought when you read Gordon. Silence is opening statement and then he washed his hearing and all of the revelations that came out of that Schorr. Well I remember seeing someone roads In the morning before silence hearing that it wasn't going to be very notable unless he went full semi the ball. Sammy the bull vulgar. No the famous mafia figure who flips turned on the Mafia gave testimony against them. And I think it's fair to say that he went full Sammy the He really turned on a dime from what he'd said during his testimony which there plenty of questions about that but he was was incredibly damning what he said about the extent to which everyone was in the loop I think was the exact phrase and that really just knocks down defense after defense after defense the Republicans had been road testing. She wrote a piece for the Atlantic earlier. This month about how it's folly. To assume career government officials will save us from the threat the trump and his supporters pose to democracy and the piece itself off is about I about Robert Muller and later about the diplomats Who testified at the first impeachment? Hearings I wonder how Fiona Hill's testimony that that ended search just before we record this fits into your view of that so my argument and the piece was that the first two civil servants who testified instantly kind of became name of online George Kent had the bow tie. Hi Bill Taylor had this great Walter cronkite voice and they sort of came forward as the voices of almost authority from a different time I'm of you know America Apple Pie and that's really appealing right now. In a sort of the bleak period in which we're living and the danger is that those civil servants are not there to be heroes. They're there to do their jobs. which actually Taylor in Kent kept saying over and over again? You know. I'm I'm nonpartisan. I'm telling you what I know. I've been called to testify and I felt it was my duty. I don't WanNa be here with Fiona Hill. She's a little bit differently differently. Situated than Kent in that she's technically was a political appointee in this administration but I think she does speak to that kind of ethos of public public service in the in the way that she was testifying and in the same way as you saw Taylor can't allow a lot of people right now. Said you know Fiona Hill Forever Fianna Hell Fan the club. You know I've been self you and a hill twenty twenty. It's like no there. Yeah right she unfortunately cannot run for president And there's a similar dynamic. There is the one that I I saw with Kenton Taylor. To that Fiona Hills job was to work in the National Security Council in Europe and Russia matters and her job now as she sees it as clearly to come before Congress and tell Congress what she knows she kept emphasizing again and again. I'm a fact witness. This is my purpose but she's not going to ride in and save the day and what I mean by that specifically is that she's actually she's she's been an incredible witness Just in terms of I mean her own performance. He's given these amazing speeches but however many speeches she gives they're not going to break through to the gym Jordan's of the world and so does it help the Democrats and the impeachment. The effort that they have this amazing witness Fiona Hill that she tells a clear story that matches up with everyone else's strobe -solutely but it's not going to solve the problem that you know at the end of the day Jim Jordan and Devin nunes are still going to be up there yelling about the steele dossier. So I've been struck a few times as the impeachment process. This is unfolded by so the flip side of this like th. They don't have a magic ability to convince Jim Jordan and they might not even feel like It it's their role all to involve themselves beyond whatever legal obligation to Congress is by how this process has revealed. How these conspiracies can fester and develop even as people of genuine integrity witness them unfolding get folded into them and they're still kind of no way for them to to do what we might imagine? The heroic thing is right like I think a Bill Taylor first and foremost in this. Because he knew something was up and he could resign Zayn and he could have blown the whistle but he worked through proper channels to try to stop the conspiracy from taking effect and he tried to help the people of Ukraine and yet from from his perspective. He prevailed right like the. The Republicans are so fond of noting that quid pro quo was never fully consummated and having succeeded why would he then speak up. Lose his post throw the Ukrainians that he clearly cares about to the very wolves he just save. Save Them From and so if it hadn't been for the impeachment process I don't think he would've ever said anything about this and then separately. There's this really dramatic matic testimony from Fiona Hill that we clipped played in the intro. A big part of what I think she was talking about. There was perception right from her perspective. There was this sort of wrong but limited meddling happening in Ukraine policy but then from Gordon silence perspective he was just carrying out policy what he believed the US policy to be and so the whole notion of conspiracy is kind of the wrong language for either of them to describe what's happening and so there's nothing thank really for either of them to do to alert the public right and so it's not just the bureaucrats can't save us because they can convince the broader public or they can't Stop Stop Republicans From acting in their own political interests but they can't save us because sometimes they just can't see that there's anything to save us from they have equities to protect attacked or they're just kind of in the fog of it and blind to all the dimensions of what they're living room. Does that make sense. I think the the best example of someone who's who's struck in the fog seems to have been Kurt Volker and in saying this I'm drawing not only on Volker's own testimony which seemed to me like he may have I've been trying to intentionally obfuscate his understanding of what was going on but The testimony of others including can't Ann Taylor who kind of indicated that they felt Volker may have been drawn a little too far in that. They didn't question his motives but that he was thinking a little too much. Sort of tactically step-by-step. How do I mitigate harm and that lost the sense of when you take a step back? This is really something wrong. That's happening and in that way. Volker is actually a really good example I think of the sort of the corruption of Donald Trump right the the way that people kind of get sucked in and and lose their perspective regarding the other people involved. Here you know Taylor Kent Hill would. Would we be hearing from any of these people. If the whistle blower complaint hadn't been filed. I don't know and I agree. It's a really disturbing bring thought not only because you know how many other instances have there been where a whistleblower complaint wasn't filed and we didn't find out what happened vend but also because I think it goes back to the same issue with Volker. You know this is a case study of how difficult it is has to be a moral person and serve your country which all these people really do seem to have that. We're doing under incredibly difficult. Circumstances in a government run by someone who's actively trying to undermine you they're all these people trying to do the right thing and some of them have even come out of it looking good and at the end of the day. There's just this lurking question of did they let themselves has get drawn into far. I mean we we can zoom back. To other controversies other officials. Who we were told were the adults in the room who were trying to keep trump on the rails keep policy in order in in many cases? It seems like what that ended up forcing them to do was try to cram a corrupt endeavor into a facially legitimate government action try to find a legal pretext text for it. Try to find a policy rationale for it that could be explained to Congress to the public to themselves probably as you know maybe not ideal policy and maybe not wise but acceptable within you know with you know on the rails in some sense and then they leave and we never get the full story because you know either they succeeded in cramming trump's corrupt objectives into whoa facially non-corrupt box in a bail or the try to stop it and they resign and they go back to their private lives and in almost all these cases with like like the one big exception being Jim Komi we just never hear from Jim. Mattis former defense secretary from DNA Powell former deputy national security adviser iser nature. mcmasters another good example of this and it makes me really worry about what happens on the flip side of this impeachment process is that we're going to go back to that. And trump is going to be at the apex of his corruption because he's going to have survived the one confrontation over it. The Democrats were willing to bring against the question should Democrats wrap this impeachment up without making some kind of maybe time-limited but serious effort to compel testimony from the principals. I suppose right. The bureaucrats won't save us with any of the political appointees. Have the information that's needed. If not to remove Donald Trump then to strip away the legitimacy from the things he might do as he abuses his power going forward. So I think that the clear implication of Hill's testimony is that John Bolton knew a lot more about what was happening in real time than she did and he tried to shield the National Security Council from it and Democrats haven't even issued him a subpoena. Is that a mistake Bolton. I don't understand what Game Baltin is playing to be completely honest with you. I mean it really seems like he can't decide Reid who he wants to go to the prom with he he kind of you know. He says he doesn't WanNa testify and then he dangles you know. Well I have all this information that I could give you sort of one step forward one step back so I'm going to be completely honest. I have no idea what game he is playing. I agree with you. That based on Hill's testimony it seems like he has a lot to say. Based on the testimony of two Morrison Hill. Successor is seems like he has a lot to say because Morrison Morrison was an incredibly frustrating witness. Not even talking about the public airing but just by his deposition. If you read the transcript. He basically says John Bolton you know went into this room and had this conversation and then he came out and he's asked what did he say to you and he basically Gli says I don't want to talk about that over and over again and so we get these kind of hints that John Bolton must have known more and must have. You've done more without that ever actually being fleshed out soon away..

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