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AM QUICKIE: September 13th, 2019 w/ Sam Seder & Lucie Steiner
"It is Friday September thirteenth. I'm Sam Cedar and I'm Lucy Steiner. Which one of these stories will you be talking about today. During during last night's democratic debate in Houston Joe Biden got roughed up so badly the poor guys teeth fell out meanwhile the Supreme Court chief justice. John Roberts reportedly changed his his vote at the very last minute to reject trump's notorious census citizenship and lastly trump's ruthless war on the environment continues as the Administration Gratien announces the repeal of Obama's Clean Water Act. You're listening to the journey dot. Fm Am quickey and these are the stories you need to know there were no clear winners in last night's democratic debate in Houston but Joe Biden spent most of the night fending off attacks from the left and and center on everything from healthcare to immigration when the front runner wasn't receiving body blows from the likes of Hooghly on Castro Biden repeatedly stumbled while answering questions is referring to Bernie Sanders as the president and at one point even struggled to keep his dentures from falling out of his mouth while answering a question for more analysis of last night's debate check out the majority report today at noon. CNN reports that while Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts initially wanted to rule in favor of the citizenship questions addition to the two thousand census change of tune led to a final deterrent of the trump administration's attempts according to CNN Roberts was set to side with Commerce Secretary Wilbur Barossa and the trump administration on the census issue after hearing arguments in late April however he reportedly changed his mind the following weeks when he came to the conclusion that Ross invented the rationale for the questions addition that may have been helped somewhat by a deadman's hard-drive. We've talked about that on the majority report. We'll talk talk about more. CNN said that Roberts declined to comment publicly on the decision majority DOT FM. AM quickey is fueled by. I just coffee DOT CO OP. Just coffee is a worker owned coffee. Roaster based in Madison. Wisconsin has sponsored the majority report for nearly a decade check out their collection of fairtrade roasts including including our own majority report regardless of what you order receive ten percents off your order when you use the code majority at checkout and all shipping is free. That's coupon code majority just coffee. Dot Com on Thursday the trump administration revoked in Alabama era regulation that shielded many US wetlands and streams from pollution but of course was opposed by developers coal miners oil and gas drillers political reports the action clears the way for the Environmental Protection Protection Agency to finish renewing regulation in the coming months that could leave most of the nation's wetlands without any federal safeguards environmental groups groups and state attorneys general vowed to challenge the rollback arguing that it jeopardizes drinking water supplies for one hundred and seventeen million Americans now for some quick quickies wick wicky a the Republican controlled Senate on Thursday rejected democratic attempts to cut trump's latest border wall requests and prevent him from again funding the project without Congressional approval politico reports the US Air Force's lodge judge crews at Donald Trump Scotland resort up to forty times since two Thousand Fifteen Elizabeth Warren and Ron Wyden dropped massive social security expansion programs yesterday we will talk about those plans on the majority report today Gregory Cheeto the black man president trump wants described data rally as quote my African American has decided to leave the Republican Party and run for a seat in the US House representatives as an independent in two thousand twenty any this according to PBS news hour cheadle said his breaking point was one trump told four progressive congress woman of Color to go back to where they came from court Koi. That's IT folks. Thanks for listening majority dot. FM M.'s A._M. quickey Lucy thank you sam. Don't forget to check out the majority report today at noon wherever your podcasts are found.
Could new, unsealed documents push Congress to impeach Trump?
"So the president now only knew about the payments he knew and help to hide the payments in the reimbursements to you we discussed everything had to go through Mr Trump and had to be approved by Mr Trump and now you're going to prison and he said and I'm going to prison yes Ma'am to those who support the president and his red and his rhetoric as I once did I pray the country doesn't make the same mistakes that I have made what pay the heavy price that my family and I are paying good morning and welcome to am joy well. We've got a lot to get to today including the latest on Donald Trump's reelection strategy of stoking white resentment international reaction to his racist attacks on four congresswoman of color and the latest just reporting on how his team tried to bail him out amid the growing fallout but I you haven't seen much of the guy that you just heard from Michael Cohen lately because well he's in prison but back in February Donald Trump's longtime attorney a. and fix or gave that explosive testimony before Congress mincing no words calling trump a con man a racist and a cheat and pulling back the curtain on trump world to reveal a vast operation of lies and crimes including including then then candidate trump directing hush money plan during the two thousand sixteen election for stormy Daniels a pornographic film actress who alleged affair with trump this week the department of Justice closed its investigation involving all the trump and these payments with federal judge in Manhattan ordering the release of some investigative documents and those documents have offered new details of trump's involvement in the case the most explosive details offer more confirmation that trump knew about the hush money payments and was personally involved something he has actively denied the documents detail that trump was in close communication with Cohen while the illegal money scheme was being arranged they he also revealed that hope Hicks trump loyalist and his former communications aide had a more substantial role in bringing in buying stormy Daniels silence taking part in a flurry of calls in the days leading up to the payments to Daniels with Cohen Trump stormies stormies attorney and to American media executives trump's involvement is no longer in question as these newly unsealed documents show for the very first time but so far he has faced no real consequences quences Michael Cohen the man who covered up the crime is now in federal prison for breaking campaign finance laws on Thursday. He reiterated from prison quote. I and members of the trump organization were directed by Mr Trump to handle the stormy daniels matter including making the hush money payment the other major characters hope Hicks who is walking around free despite these new court documents suggesting that she lied to Congress Congress about the cover up while the third and Most Important Unindicted Co conspirator in this crime is sitting in the White House or today. Maybe at a golf course while you are paying the bill and let's be clear Donald Trump's current the primary address being sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue is probably the only reason that he's not facing indictment joining me now is Timothy O'Brien of Bloomberg Opinion Maya Wiley Senior Vice President for social justice at the new school and Jill wine banks former Assistant Watergate special prosecutor and I'm going to start with you because if somebody told someone else to rob a bank it's go and get me a thousand dollars from the bank and the person robbed the bank and that person was arrested in jail typically the person who ordered the crime or asked them to do it. Would they not be indicted so is donald trump literally only free of being indicted with Michael Cohen because he's president. Yes is a simple answer. A conspiracy makes everybody. That's part of the conspiracy responsible for whatever crime is committed. If you rob a bank with someone who has a gun and that person kill someone you're responsible for the murder justice much as for the robbery and the only reason that a person wouldn't be indicted in those circumstances is if the office of Legal Counsel at the Department of Justice said you cannot indict and this is just so much like Watergate Watergate because it's not fair when the main actors in an event are free like the president but the people who carried out his policies and orders and did the crimes go the jail that isn't fair the American people should be upset about the fact that the president gets away with doing things and Michael Cohen goes to jail in the same way that Haldeman and Ehrlichman and John Mitchell the attorney general went to jail in Watergate and stay with you for a moment because it was during Watergate it was it was after Watergate this I issue I came up about whether or not the president and <hes> could himself face indictment in nineteen seventy-three just a quick thing here from Reuters in nineteen seventy three in the midst of the Watergate scandal engulfing President Richard Nixon the Justice Department's Office of Legal Council adopted in an internal memo that position that a sitting president canopy indicted the department reaffirmed the policy in two in a two thousand memo saying court decisions in the intervening years had not I changed its conclusion that a sitting president is constitutionally immune from indictment and criminal prosecution. The nineteen seventy-three in two thousand memos are binding on Justice Department employees including Muller according to many legal experts. Do you agree with that Yeah Joe Weider Bang fit those memos even though they are not laws are binding on the Department of Justice well. Yes I agree. They are binding on the Department of Justice but I think they are only binding so long as no one is willing to challenge them and this willing to change them because I believe they are legally and constitutionally invalid. They are not correct. I didn't think they were correct. In nineteen seventy-three I argued that the President Nixon should be indicted for his clear her involvement in the Watergate case and I argued that twice once while he was sitting president and then after he was pardoned I argued again that he should be indited. We failed to persuade Leandra Warsi to take that action but we were at least able to name him. An Unindicted Co conspirator and the evidence against him is what led to his forced resignation so at least there was some consequences to Richard Nixon for his crimes times. I hope that there will be but in this era of the multiplication of media and the fake news at Fox where people do not believe what is written in plain paper. If you look at the mall report it says we did not not exonerate the president and yet we are behind in terms of the the people who watch Fox News actually believe that he was exonerated they believe the narrative created by the president and bar and I think what people don't understand is that the difference here between civil and and legal consequences for a sitting president because I'm old enough to remember that Bill Clinton was allowed to be sued civilly while he it was president and it's always the argument for not indicting president is that it would interfere with his duties as President President Clinton was still acting as president and was still still actively doing that while he was being sued <hes> and and and just to be very quick in one thousand nine hundred seventy supreme court ruled nine to zero and rejected the Clinton administration's argument to put off the sexual harassment lawsuit against him by Paula Jones ruling for the first time that a sitting president can be sued for actions outside the scope culpa this official duties Supreme Court today decisively rejected President Clinton's request to delay proceedings in a sexual harassment suit brought by a former Arkansas state employee Paula Jones and that was in nineteen ninety-seven so can you explain this disconnect as to why a president could be allowed to be sued especially to like this which brought out all sorts of sort of gross personal details about his life made a very serious accusation one that now has been made also against the current president. So why can you eat a president be sued but not indicted well not that I want to be sitting in the position of defending the office of Legal Counsel memo because I'm with Jill on this one but I think there is a difference that we should acknowledge which is the consequences of losing a civil case are very very different from the consequences of being indicted <hes> and ended up in prison. If you're sitting president so in one case you pay money in another case <hes> you're literally potentially ending up in in prison and so you know essentially if you look at what the argument is that the constitution creates the power in Congress to determine whether or not a sitting president duly elected should be removed from office and that it shouldn't be in the hands of prosecutors on the theory that you could potentially politicize an office. It's supposed to be politically neutral if say some prosecutors just want to go after the president because they don't like the president and so I'm not that's that's an oversimplification of what the legal arguments are but but it is the difference in consequence and the fact that there is a mechanism in the constitution. I think part of what's so troubling for us today is we are not seeing that constitutional additional mechanism working and I think that's part of the tension that we're confronting and that's that's frankly a new one for us as we saw with Nixon at least we had even Republicans members of his own party willing take up the inquiry willing to look at whether or not there were serious allegations that required consideration of removing him from office. Let's play <hes>. This is <hes> Anderson Cooper who actually had an interview with Jim Komi who was a former F._B._i.. Director who was fired by Donald Trump and he's talking about the conclusion that came out in the mother report and the report is separate from this because this is talking about the unindicted co-conspirator potential title of Donald Trump there but here's Mitchell his call me talking to Anderson Cooper tickets so in your opinion there was corrupt and ten at least in several of those episodes of looks that way from the reports <hes> factual recitation if there now I think it's up to eight hundred former federal prosecutors have worked in both Republican and Democratic administrations who've signed a statement saying the Muller's findings would have produced obstruction charges against president trump if he weren't president. Do you agree yeah. I uh no doubt no doubt so tim if we have you know Don Donald Trump's former lawyer sitting in prison for a crime that he says that he did at Donald Trump's behalf so that's one thing you have donald trump's former former aide whole picks apparently he's also facing consequences who may have lied to Congress but there's no consequences for her and then you have the former F._B._I.. Director saying that he believed there was corrupt intent and potential obstruction of justice committed by this present. That's multiple things that a regular personal it'd be indicted for but there is now also not an opportunity or not a possibility of him either being impeached which is the only other option so you can't be indicted and he can't be impeached or what we looking at is that Donald Trump is going to get away with all of this. Well you know he can be impeached. I don't think that that's been they will come to the house. Leadership does not want to compel the House to move in that direction but I think that that the very question can he be indicted lead. Did you ask about impeachment and if you say no to both I think what you're then saying the president exists above the rule of law and I don't think that's what the framers of the Constitution intended they otherwise they wouldn't have put in a provision for impeachment impeachment exists exists as a cure to the reality that he may not get indicted through the regular judicial process and I think what we're confronted with is very question. The examples you gave also left out Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort Paul Manafort was his campaign manager. Michael Flynn was as national security adviser. You had people with real power and influence who are paying the costs of breaking the law because it was clear as day that they did. I don't think anyone including the eight hundred prosecutors who've read them all the report and watch how William Bar acted around it and read what what Robert Muller's conclusions are have very little doubt that the president obstructed justice there is no doubt in my mind having read that report twice now that the president obstructed justice us and so what do we do as a country and what do we do around that reality if we're not going to indict him we have to take very seriously the reality of impeachment and if we don't then the at the end of the day what we're saying is where we're creating a president of the United States to exist above the law and I think that's a bad result yeah and that's a frightening possibility okay. All of these guests are going to be right back so please stay right there and coming up Lordy. It's finally multi next hi. It's is Katy Tur want to keep up with M._S._N._B._C.. While you're on the go subscribe to the M._S._N._B._C. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news text M._S._N._B._C. Two six six eight six six to subscribe. Under long standing department policy a president president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office that is unconstitutional even if the charges kept under seal and hidden from Republic View that too is prohibited special counsel's Office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy charging the president with a crime and was therefore not an option we could consider nearly two months after Robert Muller signed off as special counsel. He is set to return to Capitol Hill on Wednesday for a set of back to back public hearings before the House Judiciary for an intelligence committees. The New York Times has framing this as a make or break moment for Democrats but at this point house until Chairman Adam Schiff says that he isn't quite sure what to expect. Here's what he told my colleague Kristen Welker yesterday. I am very realistic in my expectations. He is clearly deeply. Reluctant to testify he has made it clear that he doesn't want to go beyond the report and I wanNA make it clear. That is a choice that <unk> Bob Mueller is making that is not required by law that is not required by regulation. We will be doing our hearing after the Judiciary Committee so we will get some sense of how worthwhile it is to fight with him over areas outside the report back with Timothy O'Brien my wiley and Jill wine banks and Tim is you just look at this. <hes> sort of outside of the process looking in is this entire process like a month and a half too late because you know for the most part art people have formed their opinions on what they think is in the Muller report because although it is now a New York Times bestseller most people haven't read it so most people just heard about it and heard the spin from William Bar and Republicans and Fox News or they've heard or donald trump or they've heard various Democrats or people like on these shows talking about it so people already have an opinion and it's not likely it doesn't seem that Muller is the type of guy who's going to come out there and and try to change anything he's just going to repeat. What's in the report so AH innocent? What do you make the fact that this much time later now Democrats are doing this kind of a hearing well? I do think the Democrats have been too slow off the mark throughout this whole process I think Bill Barr who has operated very much. It's like a political operative and IT media strategists around this rather than the nation's top law enforcement official. I think recognized early on that. It was important to craft a message about what the Mullahs report said and to get ahead of that in terms of the public conversation and he was very very effective at that he dissemble about what the report said and he offered a very soft take on what it presented for the president and I don't think the Democrats or members of the legal community ever really caught up with bar more on that I think I think people understand now. The Bar was a bad actor in this but for most Americans wondering about how they should think about this. I do think some of this is settled. I don't think most people have read them Mullah report nor do I think they will and I think think about all of the momentum that went in prior to the Cavanaugh hearings or Michael cones hearings people watch both those things with great attention attention and emotional attachment. They saw those important moments. I think some of that momentum has gone to having said all of that so I don't think you can discount how powerful television is as a theater and I think this could be very powerful learning moment for most Americans if this plays out in a way in which they realize how dramatic dramatic and damning this report is the most I think damning report that's ever been presented for a sitting president and I think that that's been loss on the public and I think strategically it will really hinge on how wise judiciary and Intel are in Stage Managing Robert Muller's appearance yeah so let's talk about the content could actually be my gym called me has given his thoughts on on what Phnom should be asked of Michael Cohen. Just give you a few of them did did you. He would like to see Mr Muller. Ask did you reach a judgment as to what the President committed obstruction of justice crimes. Did you find substantial evidence that the president had committed obstruction of justice crimes for example. Did you find that the president directed the White House counsel to call the Acting Attorney General and tell him the special counsel must be removed. Did you find the president later directed the White House counsel to say that he had not been ordered to have the special counsel moved and did you find the president wanted the White House counsel to write a false memo saying he had been ordered to have special counselor moved in. Did you find the White House counsel refused to do that because it was not true. What do you want them to do is ask yes or no kind of questions? Did you find that this person potentially committed this crime which seems like it would be smart because that's something Democrats could potentially be a useful. Do you think that's the way the Democrats should yes or no questions with with I I would absolutely go that way. We know that by the book Bob is going to stick to his report and what that me and the what the House Judiciary Committee Committee has done at least if if if the news reporting is accurate terms of which parts of the obstruction remember their ten areas of obstruction they've highlighted five that they're going to focus on. They picked the right five because those five like mcgann like Corey Lewandowski. Those are the examples where in the report Robert Muller said Obstructive Act. He said a connection to a preceding Donald Trump knew there was a grand jury proceeding when he was aware of it he was talking about he was concerned about it and thirdly that there was substantial he literally uses this language. There was substantial evidence of corrupt intent. Essentially which is those are the three elements of the crime so what Democrats can do is literally say on page forty seven you found in your report obstructive act trump knew there was a proceeding and there was substantial santeuil evidence. Is that correct because then he's going to answer. Factually I think the other thing Neil Kochav made very clear and goes back to Tim's point is they should ask very clear broad questions about bars framing the report meaning. You did not find that there was no collusion you found significant interference with your ability to investigate didn't you so you know they can unravel that. Some of the damage that William Bar did in painting the report inaccurately yeah and we know that the Republican Strategy Per Matt Gaetz who has already said that they want to try to go into bias they WANNA try to sort of beat up on <hes> on <hes> on Muller and try to allege that there was some sort of bias in the investigation. You are obviously a student of what it looks like when this kind of a hearing. This isn't quite a Watergate hearings that level but it's it's a public hearing at which the principal investigator is sitting in this in in the hot seat if Republicans go after him. It was just not what happened during the Watergate hearings. Is there a possibility that this could be more useful because it will force muller to defend himself so far muller or has not shown any instinct to defend himself. I keep hoping that he will <hes> but the accusations against him from the Republicans have been so absurd that maybe he feels it isn't necessary. He's been cleared by everybody who has officially looked at his supposed bias or his hiring of Democrats. Prosecutors are not Democrats or Republicans. They are people who are charged with finding the truth the facts ax and that's what Robert Muller and his team did I think that both what Tim and my is absolutely correct. The questions have to be framed as this is what you said on page so and so is that correct act you have to stick to what's there and he will do that and it can be a smoking gun. Yeah it'll be interesting but really quick before we go. We are out of time but very quick answer tim do you don't claims he's not going to watch the Gene Muller testimony and that it's all over already do believe he's not GonNa Watch it. I think he was going to be very very enwrapped. In all of this. I think this is this is what he lives for. This is actually his own that he he lives in day to day. I don't think I'm GonNa miss this any of this. He's getting he's in a live tweeted probably and really quick the banks. What's your pin? It's a Muller Pin Shows Muller against a background of the flag all right well. We will all be watching. Thank you very much. Timothy O'Brien my widely jill wine banks. y'All very much coming Yep. I'll explain how trump's attack on people of color could be a national security threat that is next sort of language go back tweet came from you. Don't belong is sort of language which I've heard in my lifetime from racist and fascist never from a mainstream politician will hey you have the president of the USA using that same sort of language the outrage over Donald Trump's racist tweets and attacks on four freshman house else Democrats of color isn't isolated to the United States. The attacks provoked revulsion from many of our allies around the globe trump's comments were even condemned by Boris Johnson. The conservative politician poised to become Britain's new prime minister who trump apple's just secretly flattering last week. If you're the leader great multiracial multicultural society you simply cannot use that kind of language about sending the people that win that decades and decades ago thank heavens for that so it's totally unacceptable joining me now is Paul rakoff host of the podcast angry Americans great great to talk with you Paul and it goes around the world. I mean just to stay in Britain for a moment. The outgoing British Prime Minister Theresa May who just treated trump to a state visit enforced the royal family to wine and dine him. She put a statement out saying the prime minister's view is that the language used to refer to these women was completely unacceptable from her spokesman. You had the British a British politician and David Lamb as a donald trump telling four ethnic minority American car go back where they originally came from nineteen one thousand nine hundred eighty s racism straight from the White House any British politician fit to serve as P._M.. Would condemn which Boris Johnson did it goes on and on and on for bear so when our closest allies condemning the American president. Where does that leave us it leaves us in in very deep waters it precarious times the president's tweets are racist? The president is racist. The policies are racist and the command climate he has created is racist and that's ripping our country apart more than half the country views him as racist and our children are watching. All Americans are watching the military is watching but the world is watching our allies are watching and they are now looking to us to correct this to check him. This is more than a tipping point. This is a defining moment. This is a gut check time for America to find find out who has integrity and who doesn't in the media in politics. WHO's going to call it what it is and who's going to recognize our enemies are also watching a divide America's a weakened America? The North Koreans are going to push us. The Iranians are going to push us. They've now taken a British tanker even this morning Southern Command is tweeting about Venezuelan jet and pushing the stakes there so the stakes couldn't possibly be higher and we're in very very deep waters and I think that's a really important point. Let me stay with you on that for just a moment because the reality is that post World War due to the U._S.. Really organized those are the last man standing literally last man standing after it was devastated after World War Two and then we had this primary rival we thought then allied with the then Soviet Union but are you know what the U._S. has used to say. No Oh you need to stick with us and stay on our side of what was the Cold War was these values that we weren't always living to blunt we weren't living at all when it came to raise but that we said them right and so when you have an American president who's coddling dictators cuddling up to people like Kim Jong own hanging a photo of Kim Jong Hoon in the White House right and then at the same time he is stoking these racist elements within our within our country the same way that the leader of Poland is the leader of of other countries are that we consider to be you know sort you've falling toward a fascist element. What does that do to the organization up the world? What does that do to national security for us and rips it apart? I mean these stabilizing force for for our country but for the entire world we're looked to to be a pillar of stability of strength of integrity and our commander in chief is a racist and most of the world sees it so I think it really behooves the rest of us to try to figure out as we say in the military how to adapt improvise overcome. How are we going to work around Donald Trump? How are we going to put other faces forward award and especially frankly white people white people need to speak up and call it racist and this is gut check time for all Americans but especially for the National Security Community for retired generals for diplomats for other people who can show a contrast to donald trump? You're doing it on your show. We do it here on M._S._N._B._C. but it's gotta go a lot broader than that to show the world that all Americans are not racist yeah and you know it's interesting because Germany which obviously experienced firsthand what it meant to have an extremist extremist government that did you know the worst of the worst a year ago and this is circulating again on twitter and it's interesting that it certainly again stern which is the most popular magazine in Germany literally depicted Donald Trump as Nazi on its cover. That was a year ago. That's circulating. Circulating again today following his attack on these women angle Merckel who now in many ways is the leader of the free world for a lot of people because she's standing the strongest for multi-ethnic democracy in Germany fighting against far-right forces she came out and was asked to you personally feel solidarity with the women men who were attacked and here's what she said Zinzi because unfort- tunes easy presently salita averaged a kitten followed cheating easily dollars and I don't have time to read them all but you've got the leaders of Canada attacking denouncing Donald Trump Scotland attack denouncing donald trump the leader of New Zealand who just had a horrendous anti-muslim attack in her country coming out and condemning Donald Trump but when Germany when the leader of Germany is as well and when a German newspapers depicting the American President as a Nazi. Oh my God I just get your company upside down world and Boris Johnson Right Boards John Now checking trump. That's how far it's gone. Look my my podcast focuses a lot on independence and people from the National Security and defense community veterans. I think we as a community are extremely concerned here because we understand how this endangers every single platoon every single squad in the world that stands on indefens- on behalf of America that goes from border security all the way to the Middle East so the stakes couldn't possibly be higher and that's why trump's racism racism in dangerous. All Americans endangers the entire world yeah absolutely and I'm old enough to remember when Ronald Reagan being vilified around the world met him being depicted as a cowboy okay as a cowboy that was that that's how you know and this is how far we take this point yeah yeah. It's pretty pretty far down Paul Rakoff always bits talk to you. Thank you very much appreciate. Thank you coming up. I'll tell you about the latest on the man-made crisis in Puerto Rico. That's next thousands of protesters arrived here. cobblestone streets wipeout authorities acted more police around the governor's mansion I should the governor resigned the other demonstrations in Miami D._C.. And New York Hamilton Creator Lin-manuel Miranda's sounded all supported that people this week protesters flooded the streets of San Juan Puerto Rico to demand the resignation of Governor Ricardo or CEO after nearly nine hundred pages of his private text messages were leaked in them he and his eleven of his closest aides and cabinet members use defensive homophobic and misogynistic language and at one point even joked the victims of Hurricane Maria doing now is Victoria Leandra multimedia producer for vice news so just give us a bit of the background for those who have not been following the story yes so the protests have been going on for about a week now. It all started because of the leak Chad but the protests are not about it. The protests are this is something that has been bottling up for Puerto Ricans for a long time now. It's about the corruption going on the island. It's about the failed response to Hurricane Maria. It's about the years of mismanagement and the island has had to its own people so now it's a turning point from Puerto Ricans and that's what they're going out on the streets and so just to give both they're they're. They're calling it. Ricky leaks is nicknamed for it but there were points at which according to the reporting the governor attacked the San Juan Mayor Carmen you lean crews exchanged conversations nations with the chief fiscal officer of Puerto Rico at the time and the and the persons on the Federal Board responsible for managing the island's finances and they tweaked. They joked about salivating to shoot her and he the governor said You'd be doing me a grand favor favor. They joked about Ricky Martin and made fun of him making fun of him and saying that likening his sexual orientation to patriarchal oppression because he didn't think women measured up just all sorts of crazy things but also talking talking about the financial situation and having some colorful things to say toward the the board that governs the finances of the island so is this at the end about the the the the rivalry between Carmen Julian cruise and the governor. Is it about fight over the finances what what what you're saying. It's not really just about the the text messages exactly the text messages just prove something that has been going on in the island for many years and that is that had the political class in the island has thing corrupt so this messages are approved of that now. That's the last straw that Puerto Ricans need to go out and actually fight against this political class last because Carmen Julene Carmen's union comment on the jobs doing comment is only it's only homophobic. It's misogynistic. It's sexist but it's corruption that it's the thing that is the main problem in the island of now right and just really quickly prominent politicians that are now calling for CEOS resignation. Jet Representative Jennifer Gones Cologne. Who's our resident commissioner of Puerto Rico who serves as a non voting member of the House of Representatives says it's time to stabilize Puerto Rico to continue its reconstruction Senator Elizabeth Warren as the people spoken loud and clear concrete resigned Hulan Castro has said he he's not affecting these to resign? Even Senator Rick Scott the former right wing Republican governor of Florida. WHO's now a senator to the needs new leadership ricky? Martin issued a statement saying that this chat also contains vulgar references to him and he's sorry. Did he ever response here. Sorry I'm getting this wrong but he does not have have a comment on it. He was just one of the people who attacked is the governor is planning to resign. Is there any instant. Is there any chance that he's going to resign from your reporting governor will say you will need to resign. He has no one left on his own party and in the in the party that supports him he doesn't even have many of the support of the Republicans and Democrats here in the U._S.. Like he has claim that he has a very little amount of people who actually in the islands still support him actually let this past week. They communicated a march for his stay in power when no one attended so ooh just to fort where we are at a time. I just want to let people know that he has issued a statement. He's spotted on Tuesday that he was not proud of what he did but he is not going to resign. <hes> thank you very much. We're out of time but Victoria Leandra. Thank you so much really appreciate you being here. Thank you for having me. Thank you very much more drafted to break. Hey very special thank you to everyone who was bought my brand new book the man who sold America trump and the unraveling of the American story which is now in its third week on New York Times Bestseller List who you can get your copy wherever books are sold and if you already have a copy and want to get it signed. I'll be at politics and prose this Tuesday at seven PM. Just check my social media accounts for more details and on other on this and other book events more Andrew after the break once you start telling American citizens to quote go back to your own countries. This tells you that this President's policies are not about immigration. It's about ethnicity and racist is on morning and welcome back to A._M.. Joel Bronx Congresswoman Alexandrio Cossio Cortez laid it all out on Saturday as new reporting from the Washington Post reveals their firestorm in the cleanup operation that hit the White House following Donald All trumps racist tirade when we go today according to the post trump's top aides didn't think that he fully understood what he had done since last Sunday when he fired off a trio of racist tweets before a trip to his golf course after days of damage control control aides reportedly believed that the worst behind them until Wednesday when trump leaned back stuck his chin in the air and just took it all in while his supporters erupted into racist chance of send her back in response to trump's attacks on Somali born American citizen citizen and Congresswoman Ilan Omar The post reports that Republican leaders including Vice President Mike Pence Republican House leader Kevin McCarthy and Congresswoman Liz Cheney huddled together at his house the next day to figure out how to deal with the danger aged of the chant catching on but with trump doubling tripling quadrupling down on attacking the congresswoman even this morning and with this poll numbers among Republicans going up since his racist tweets it look like that ship has sailed joining me now is tiffany cross of the see Andrew Feinberg of breakfast media Jason Johnson of the Root Dot Com Republican strategists Kate Dawson and M._S._N._B._C. media analyst Eric Deg and Tiffany a little bit more from that post story trump defended himself when he was supposedly confronted by his aides he'd been watching Fox and friends after waking up he wanted to elevate the congresswoman as he had previously discussed with AIDS. The president said the he thought that he was injecting himself into Democratic Party politics in a good way so he thought that he did a great job and wanted to keep doing it and some of the AIDS it supposedly sat down with him thinking Liz Cheney went out and her damage control was to start yelling about Democrats being baby killer so it's not anybody knew what to do but they didn't do anything right right and this is nothing new I mean this is something I think when we all this attention on trump and his rhetoric look obviously I think to ask the question I still see time and again members. Come on television and hostal ask so do you think the comments the president's comments are racist. We can stop that question has been asking right answer. We can stop wasting. Everybody's time asking that we can stop wasting time pretending this week. Walk back means anything other than a failed attempt at controlling whatever damage they did with their their base in Republican Party if any was done but this did not begin with trump's presidency. This is the president the Republican Party created for the past few decades long before trump came in office. You had white supremacists roaming the halls of Congress. This is even the first time a white supremacist has occupied the White House so we have to start identifying these things and demanding that the media call it what it is call a thing a thing. I remember when this happened and I didn't even flinch when it happened but you wake up and you see the breaking news banner trump said something racist Oh it wasn't racially charged today or comments that some people bound to be racist. We're finally ready to call thing. Let's do that and I think if if I may say if we had newsrooms that were more representative of the country with more people of color in them than I think we would have a lot more honest discourse about identifying these things as the racist comments and white supremacists compensate and thinking about it is that right I think because people in the media have have been so reluctant to really go straight on at things like racism it does kind of give Republicans a cover to say no. It's this is another thing thing is racially charged bad language because there is a cover that they're under but it also does seem that there is a scramble that Republicans haven't figured out when they when they know they clearly know that this was bad. This looks really bad and but they don't really know how to you. Don't have to do about it. I want to show a confrontation between yourself Andrew and and Kellyanne Conway who at this point they sort of defacto the White House spokeswoman. She's the person going out to the press and trying to defend him and she she clearly didn't know what to do here with your interaction with her. The president was not telling these these four congresswoman to church. They're supposed to countries of origin to which countries was he referred what you're missing. You know because as you question my ancestors are from Ireland in Italy drove into the question it is you're asking about he said originally you said originally from what did as you just give us your reaction to that. I mean my my reaction at the time I'm used to her being inappropriate with me and responding to legitimate questions with often insulting questions but <hes> that one as I've said before was owed a weirder than normal and I don't think that she really knew how to answer the question so her responses to deflect but this time it didn't go so well yeah clearly. It didn't didn't let me read another piece Washington Post story for you and the trombone doubles down its advisors new talking points for trump and handed him reams of opposition research. He doesn't read lots of stuff but okay they wanted to read opposition circle the Fort Congresswoman pivot to patriotism they said focus on their ideas and behavior not identity some would still see a racist agenda the argument went but at least it would not be so explicit so it's clear that they understood that Donald Trump had been blatantly only racist towards these women and they want him to backpedal into attacking their policies but isn't the fact that since his he wrote it down. It's on his twitter feed. He said the country's you came from. He didn't say anything about the green new deal or Medicare for all backpedaling into those things it just it was too late right well. It's sort of like listen. The first chapter of your book joy I read it and enjoyed it and finish. This weekend was no matter what you hand Donald. Trump is an operative motive. He's going to do what he thinks he needs to do. He did it with his opening. Speech had a speech in his pocket. You address it in your book. It's true and Donald Trump has instincts that certainly have probably fared him well electorally but not. The folks around him so Donald Trump's not donald trump's not one that's workable or one that is manageable as far as his rhetoric especially as twitter feed so what staff says and what he does is two different things donald trump so far you're inside the base has an ignore ability factor that people will look past what he says. Pick out what they like an accentuate that that's what I've seen in this instant so far right and do you worry that the you know I've likened it to just because that's in my head really from a book and thank you for the compliment on it that it is similar to the way that you saw the nationalist party. They called the National Party in South Africa kind of morph right that it'd be formed around white identity and just took it from there. Do you worry that the image of the Republican Party has a poll out. We don't have it this morning but our at my predecessor David Gura talked about it that among younger people the Republican Party's name is mud at this point they just they can't get anywhere because they are being the your party is is becoming identified with this kind of racism and nationalism and white nationalism and isn't that a problem I'm not I don't fully agree with that. I do agree that the tone is what bothers us that elect elect people to office. I come from the electoral place where we put people in office. We recruit Tim Scott's Nikki Haley's we've tried to diversifier party and the tone matters to me as far as the young folks who I think the economy matters to him. Some things things that Donald trump should be talking about that he's not talking about. This is all purely political. This is about reelection for Donald Trump. This is about Democratic Party versus the Republican Party. I took a big note from what happened at the Democrat Democratic Congressional meetings that they had for the congressman and and for the governors and the Democrat governors are the ones that I read that concerns both ways that Donald Trump gave them huge wins two years ago and now with this presidential primary up and the rhetoric the twenty you're using now. I never agree with Terry McAuliffe before but I agree with him now. The Democratic Party is not talking about what matters to the voters voters in these young voters at the same time. Republicans are not taking advantage of a primary that is going on this getting a lot of coverage that is I would contend not in mainstream electoral politics right now. Well let me let me go to today's on this because so there's the politics of it which Keeton obviously knows their welcome party politics very well and then there's just the optics of it and I just want to get your this because you're out in the world talking to voters Jason. It feels to me like over the past week we I have not talked at all about whatever it is. These young women are for in terms of policy that whatever policy Republicans thought that they were going to benefit from saying they can demonize the green new deal through them. They can demonize Medicare for all through them. That's gone the Democratic Party is now all united the German chancellor is united with them and the leader of Canada and on and on and on in just saying their bodies who they are is Donald Trump attack like that's what they are now. They are now elevated in stature. They now are really beneficial to to the party in a way as far as particularly with younger voters people who might not have been that excited by this presidential race there now really useful with younger voters now young people know who they are if they didn't already and even on the other side of it let me Omarosa has I said this is coming from Donald Trump's own friend that he hired that he made star. This is what she said on our air when she was on yesterday on Saturday night politics take a listen at those rallies these things or choreographed there are section leaders who helped to start those chance and so it was intentional and we know that they did it so that they could start these chance so he tested okay Omarosa but she's saying she is now going up as a former White House okay and say Nope Nope they did strategy. Zone friend is saying that former friend get your thoughts Jason well so a couple of things one OMAROSA has no the Donald Trump was a racist for years. She told me that during the debates I say that now that's not that's that's not new. That's not a surprise but but I think joy really dangerous issue here is that we always want to make sure that any discussion of how racism these being used politically what we understand that the consequences are actually life and death. I vehemently disagree with what Keeton talking about here that this is all political. Maybe political for you. It's life and death for these women. It's life and death for people at the border. It's life and death for black and Brown and yes heather higher white people in America when you have a president who says that my philosophy a fee for staying in power is to demonize eight imply and suggest and encourage violence against people who don't look like me. That's the problem and everybody knows that he's doing it and the only difference is that some people say that it's politically convenient and some people argue you about tone. I want to live in American. I encourage every single person to have this conversation. This is not a strategic issue. It is a national security issue. It is a moral issue. It is an ethical issue into the degree that we allow trump to make this about policy when the reality is we know he just hates for Brown. Women these sort of Modern Day lynchings these Republicans would have been mad about these four women regardless of what they said and did we have to understand that this is not strategic. It's moral. It has to be looked at that way. You haven't come back before I go onto the Pentagon. I'm going to come back to you on this kate and because right so so there there is these as you said it's not strategy for the Washington Post Donald Trump just sort of burp this out this tweet did it and then the team trying to find a way to make it seem like strategic back strategically into it and then he goes to this to this rally where Omarosa is claiming the way they did. The rallies was they set it up whatever you believe them or not. She's saying it's something they wanted to have happened. It happened. He basks it and he literally basked in for thirteen seconds which T._v.. Time is like half of a television commercial. Okay okay so it's not strategic for him. It's him and what it's unleashing. NOLA DOT COM in New Orleans has a piece about a police officer suggesting that I was under Cortez. The congresswoman needs around Gretna police officer officer posted a comment on his facebook page this past week calling for representative Allesandro Casa of Cortez call her bile idiot who needs around and I don't mean the kind she used to serve as a waitress. It's unleashing real violence. It's unleashing violent threads threads inside the far right. Donald Trump won't reject so isn't that more than a strategic problem. Isn't that a national security and Domestic Security Problem Keeton well. I think when you have have the rhetoric that we've we've seen that it is problematic. I don't agree with everybody on the panel today of where it's going whereas coming or the danger to national security. I and I do think that the tone is is not proper but it does go back. Donald Trump wouldn't be doing this if there wasn't election to twenty four months. I don't think so he has this New York five literally literally on your own argument the summit I'M GONNA go. I WANNA get digging into this because the media does have a part to play in it we showed earlier the interaction that Andrew had with Kellyanne Conway but on a bigger picture the media in responding to what they've seen this week has done a few interesting things as Timmy's he's. They're still fighting about whether to call this racism because this is like this isn't just like the guy at the end of the bar racist the president of the United States and the idea that white nationalism is a whole different level than racism right and we're not they don't even go even close to that you had what I just showed the potential violence and you've seen instances of violence increase according to him and the media decides. Who should we talk about this? Who should we get? Who Can we oh Richard Spencer? Let's let him comment like he got to comment on TV Chris Cobalt who couldn't get a job in this administration. We're Stephen Miller in the abandoned abandoned used to work because he was in his background profile. They were found that white supremacy might be a property. He couldn't even get a job here. Here's what he had to say on C._N._N.. What would you do if the president said I am a racist? That's why I said it. What would you do then I would then I would not defend him because there's no excuse for racism in America? You're still support a real resident. I don't think he's racist. Okay so that happened right so I mean is how do you assess Eric as a media analyst how the media is sort of handling this this situation which could be dangerous but I don't know how doing well there's a lot of things that impact there for sure I would say in the CUOMO interview. That's that's a pretty good example of taking someone and holding them to account and showing how how so many Republicans struggle to reconcile their support for the president with his racist actions having someone like Richard Spencer on a different issue because for white supremacists like him being acknowledged by a major media outlet like C._N._n.. That is the victory he wants to be seen as a valid mainstream commentator on race and social issues so the minute you put them in front of a camera he's one and so you have to ask yourself as a journalist. What am I going to get out of talking to this person that is going to make it worth validating him as a national spokesperson on issues of race and media and politics and so I think that was a was a mistake <hes> I would also say that there are not a lot of media media outlets out there that I mean there's a lot of media outlets out there that are using word racism and racist to describe what President Trump is doing and I think the thing that is frightening to a lot of people is that there's a frustration in that even though those words are being attached to what he's doing? There's still a significant portion of people who will not reject him <hes> even though those toxic words have been applied to what he does <hes> there is some discussion in media about when you make that determination nation but a google search will reveal that there are a ton of major media outlets and have called those treats racist and have called what happened during the rally racist. We're sort of beyond I think that <hes> now and we're we're we're in a uncharted uncharted territory where even calling something racist does not call the cost some people to reject this president or his policies right and I think partly tiffany because you have the right. There's a there's an idea that as soon as you hear the race in their mind turns off because you call everybody racists very I've seen people argue about that on twitter they're not every racist is a white nationalist. Every white nationalist is and there's a very big difference between being racist which a lot of people may be and have bad feelings but still be able to watch N._B._A.. Basketball and Michael Beck later tonight to be but all the idea that this is supposed to be a white country right the underlying message of what Donald Trump said. It's worse than racism it saying this is a white country which is what white nationalists nationalists say right so Donald Trump has crept over the line. I think in this state which is why so many Republicans even themselves freaked out because saying this is a white country if you're white and European you can criticize the country like he did for twenty years say the country was garbage yeah until he was president. He said it was garbage to do that. If you're German right if your grandparents your mom was Scott as you finally yeah right I mean so we were we losing the language well at first of all we think the Magara crowd is intellectually sophisticated enough to be able to dissect racism. I'm from white nationalist. We are hopeless because that's not going to happen and I think you know. The deal is a lot of people I've never met a racist. Who Say oh yeah? I'm totally erase it. It's like you you nailed it. You call me right or yeah. I'm a white supremacist. Most people like to cloak themselves in their own false a blanket of security and equality until you start talking to them. I'll tell you quickly to trump supporters. I was on vacation and they were trying to convince me that they were not racist they said do you know how many black people I've kissed. Hello since I've been on this island and proceeded to tell me they had eleven people below. That is the most racist thing you really didn't matter then. You wouldn't know how many black people you touched or spoken. I think people have this false expectation that if I'm not walking around in the clan's hat or if I don't have a Nazi symbol on my arm I'm not a racist and that's just is not the case and just really quickly. A lot of the reason is because of the media. The media has legitimized people like Richard Spencer putting him on the media is scare and when I'm saying the media I mean mostly it's general cable news and it's like if you had more people of Color in the executive executive in the C. Suite making these decisions they could stop a lot of this from happening and say yes guy. This is a racist tweet. There's no debate here we this is the second round of debates. We're having presidential candidates where there are no black women apart of these conversations the backbone of the Democratic Party a why C._N._N.. Had what effect where they call Kellyanne conway a bad ass woman she was one of the feature start calling these things out. This is the ability all around very quickly. There's something else it's not just that there's not enough representation of people newsrooms. It's that the news industry has always been given a form of P._T._S._d.. By decades of being bashed as the liberal media and what happens is I think a lot of editors and some reporters think themselves will if I go too hard on this they're going to call me and they're gonNA call me liberal and they go really quickly Eric Eric and then I'm GonNa let Jason Beckett but Eric. The other thing that Donald Trump has been able to get away with doing this week is to try to loop Israel in and to even though he has re tweet he just re tweeted and a woman who was so anti Semitic. She lost her Murdoch. Doc Industry Columns Katie Puerto he re tweet areas retweeted her before he's re tweeted Neo Nazis multiple times during the campaign as his son but he's still trying to do this thing where they pivot and and grab Israel Israel and in order to defend themselves against the president's racism and he's really allowed to get away with that why I think the president is taking advantage of the fact that <hes> Hello I think the president is taking advantage of the fact fact that a lot of Americans don't have a real in depth knowledge of the issues that involve Israel that involve the Palestinians why some democratic and progressive politicians are criticizing them at what that criticism means and and <hes> and and and taking advantage of <hes> you know a tendency among evangelicals to silver warmly towards Israel now and taking advantage of people's ignorance. You know one thing I wanted to say that is fascinating me the about this. I think the president and other people engage in talking about race the way he has they're trying to move the goal posts in what we define as racism what we define as racist talk and that's one reason why it's so important to push back against yes and I also find it interesting that even in this moment people who are white supremacists do not want to be called racist which I don't WanNa be called racist and and and that's one of the enduring I say that's one of the enduring achievements of the Classic Civil Rights Movement is they have managed to move these words racism and racist to toxic and it's important to not allow those goalposts and we we're out of time but Jason can you hold your comment till the next block because you're going to be honest with us again all right so tiffany. Jason are GONNA come back with Mr Jason hold onto it. Keep it inside of the Commercial Break Andrew Fiber Keeton does and Eric diggins. Thank you guys very much coming up and so you would hold it for one more second because the next segment is your moment coming up maxine that's next on this vote the yeas the as are three hundred and thirty two and the NAYS are ninety five with one answering present. The motion is adopted without a Jackson. A motion to reconsider is laid on the table this this week the House of Representatives overwhelmingly voted down a resolution to begin impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump but the impeachment by a growing Group of Democrats is far from over and join me now democratic congresswoman maxine waters of California. She is the chair of the Financial Services Committee and and has been one of the most vocal proponents impeaching donald trump congressman is so great to talk with you. Thank you for being here and let me just ask you about this. Vote Boomberg reported that it's possible. Let me read what they wrote it. It's one interpretation of having having that vote that representative Al Green Force onto the floor is that speaker Pelosi simply wanted to mollify pro impeachment Democrats such as yourself by giving them an easy opportunity to express their views. Another interpretation is that the speaker isn't as opposed to impeachment she he is let on and is using this vote to gauge sentiment within the caucus or even to demonstrate that support by the support for ousting the president is growing. Did you read that impeachment vote as one of those two things well. I think that the speaker certainly has to reconsider the leadership that she's provided against impeachment. Yes I think every time there's a demonstration of an increase vote among her caucus of people who uh either a moving toward impeachment inquiry who've been away from the issue who've not supported impeachment at least they want to get into an impeachment inquiry and I think she's going to have to reconsider it as the votes Mount Yeah and if that boat that represented green put forward based on Donald Trump's racism had that vote instead been on obstruction of justice or on his participation in the crime that that Michael Cohen is in prison for or those ten instances of obstruction laid out more if he had put the if he had put that inquiry for that vote for it on that. Do you think it would have gotten more votes you think he wanted to even pat. Thanks that's great possibility because I think as members look at what is wrong with this president and all of the information that they've received about what he has done. Collusion and obstructive of justice certainly has emerged as significant issues. I think they all can be combined with racism and I think that certainly would would lead many of the members to want to go toward impeachment inquiry at least that yeah and let me tell you what Donald Trump's reaction to that vote was here it is I do Sir that the United States House of Representatives has overwhelmingly voted to kill the most ridiculous project I've ever been involved in the resolution. How stupid is that on impeach? I WanNa thank those Democrats because many of them voted for us. The vote was totally lopsided three hundred and thirty two to ninety five to one carry your reaction well. He's such a liar and he takes every opportunity to put his label on whatever is going on so you know I expected anything from this president and what he has done is he's. He's taken a boat where the impeachment inquiry perhaps is rising despite the fact that it was table and he's trying to make it seem as if it's failing and that no one of basically the majority <music> certainly do not believe that he should be impeached and he's just doing everything he can to make it believe that we those of us who want them in peace away off base that we don't know what we're doing that is absolutely witch taught it so but we believe anything that he says does is a lawyer. He is someone that has misled this country. He's a divisive president and so he is Donald Trump. We've waited too long way too alone and he has gotten away with too much and what has happened is the more we wait the more ridiculous he gets and so when we should have stopped him a long time ago and got into the impeachment effort. I think that he would have backed up. He would have been focused on. What could he do to keep the impeachment from going forward even more and so? We've waited a long time but I'm still hopeful. I'm still hopeful that the members of Congress will rise to the level of <music> our responsibility to deal with the president who is unworthy whose device it in his dangerous and do you think that the congress also waited too long to talk to Robert Muller. He's going to be here next week. Do you think they waited too long to speak to him. And do you think that hearing we'll have it make any difference. It's well you know what happened. Was the members of Congress put their efforts into saying we've got to wait for the Muller report. When the Mullahs report comes out will know what to do and he'll be able to justify impeachment so he put out his report he led us right to the point where he knows that? If we take the responsibility that is mandated to us by the constitution we would grab onto what he's given us. He's given us the fact certainly on obstruction of justice. I think there's enough there to prove collusion also then that wasn't enough and now the members of the Judiciary Committee GonNa have him before them and they're waiting to see if he's going to expound on somehow if he's going to be bringing out more information about his investigation basically what he said is. My report speaks for me. He may just get before them and say well. I'll refer you to pay one hundred thirty one online. That's my answer so I don't know if they're going to get more than they've gotten in the report very quickly before we go. The New York State of New York has passed a law saying that the Congress could have dumped from New York State Tax Returns Does Your Committee Committee has the power to get it and do you think that Congress the ways and Means Committee which definitely has the power to get those tax returns should get I think that would be in the hands of the ways and Means Committee. They're the ones who have gone after the tax returns and certainly I'm very pleased about what what happened in New York but it would be the ways and Means Committee who has oversight over tax returns okay congresswoman maxine waters. Thank you so much really appreciate it have a great Sunday. Thank you and coming up. We'll take a peek at what's happening on the other Sunday shows that's next coming up. Donald Trump's most loyal adviser Stephen Miller returns to the Sunday shows the try and spend the president's racist tweets. We'll show you how that worked out. Spoiler alert that will detail when we come back I fundamentally disagree with the view that if you criticize somebody and they happen to be a different color skin that makes it a racial criticism in fact offering whether he's in South Africa you saw from Congresswoman Presley this week that she was saying that if you are you're brown you have to speak like around person. If you're black creek like a black person that's the kind of ideology the president's rejecting thing Stephen Miller was the White House's choice to put on T._v.. Depend Donald Trump's racist attacks against the squad this week and like most trump as he could tell you deny the donald trump's attacks had anything to do with race here discuss tiffany cross the E._J.. Deal in Washington Post columnist then yellow gives Jay from the Center for American progress and Jason Johnson from the root dot com days. You've been sitting for good ten minutes thinking about this comment that was boiling inside of you ten and a half minutes ago and so I'm going to let you go first. We're going to be our first Sunday sample or you can. You can do what you had to say and then respond to Stephen Miller go well. The pressure is I just don't feel pressure already feel judged by tiffany. I'm really well. They're all expecting big things from you right so I I I WanNa talk about Richard Spencer which is not a sense that you've ever heard coming out of my mouth but I talk about retrenchments because it has to do with this idea of how the twenty four hour cable able eat ecosystem decides who isn't isn't an expert Richard Spencer is not an expert. He's just a racist you can find one of those et an uber driver and we've seen this happen all the time diamond and so hard experts on black people the bad haircuts some of this has to do with editorial decisions and look. I wouldn't ask Richard Spencer to come discuss racism anymore. That would bring an r Kelly the talk about Jeffrey Epstein the same kinds of people could be more intelligent. Ah who we bring in to discuss these issues now with that being said Stephen Miller is not only a racist and a white nationalist but he does happen to work in the White House so he has some insight that is actually an expert but I'm not surprised that he saying what he saying because Stephen Miller politics policy she says always been very clear and as we've seen every single time he goes on a Sunday show his job is to push back an attack the media because he is playing for the audience of one which is president trump so I'm not surprised by anything he says or Marc Short says or anything else like that they they believe that this is a winning combination strategically and also morally it is a moral imperative for them through immigration policy through housing policy through economic policy to make America a wider nation they are white nationalist and so therefore he's doing his job and up to expectations. I WanNa know did he. Did they attack you. Not Living Down Malign Danielle or when news Sunday shows all call the White House and say. Can you send US somebody to talk about Donald Trump's racism or they probably said his racially charged language originally originally they had a tinge of color you know hit sauce when they called and asked for that the only person willing to go of course Zim possibility that he's doing the speaking because he's all they've got and he believes deeply what he's saying just like Jason said it's like of course he wouldn't have somebody come out from the administration and talk about your your racism and you're white nationalist policies and send out the white nationalist and Stephen Miller God bless him he never for desks himself any favors when he goes on the show but to Jason's pointed it is an audience of one it does he doesn't care what we think is. Just many Donald Trump thinks. Donald Trump thinks he's a fighter yeah. Let's play it. Let's play a little bit more of him. Here's Chris Chris Wallace and who's actually taking him on on this question of stoking racial the division here it is I've never called any of those tweets racist but there's no question that he is stoking racial divisions Chris. The core element of the president's philosophy is America first saying that America needs to improve to get closer to in America first ideal as the president did as a candidate criticizing Obama criticizing our trade deals our foreign policy deals our immigration policies is out of love for America saying as as representative of Cossio Cortez did that illegal immigrants are affect more American than Americans is fundamentally okay. Let's American statement okay so putting aside the lie at the end of that statement that you know they've never said that. Undocumented people are more American the American that stupid nobody ever said that but the start of what Stephen Miller said I thought was very instructive. He says that the core of the element of the Americans of the presence flossy as America first which when it was in the nineteen thirties that was a fascist idea <hes> and so that that's where the roots of it are but Stephen Miller is writing the policies for the trump administration whose undercurrent is that this is a white nation and that there needs to be fewer brown people in it so they need to be deported and he'd be fewer Muslims in it. They need to be band. There needs to be no people coming from Central America. They need to be band. No asylum-seekers from Africa or the Central American they need to be band that is white nationalism and I think people freak out when you use the term white nationalism because it sounds like epithet but what it is that if you look up white nationalism in the dictionary and Merriam Webster's it is a belief that this country or any country that the white nationalist is in is a white country and that anything were added to it is not of that country. That's what he just said. You know what the great irony here is. If you go go back to the immigration of groups we now think of as white starting with the Irish and then going through Italians Jews Poles others from southern Europe the anti immigration people then were trying to otherwise them by saying they were people of Color People here who are white who descended from people everybody now agrees or white when they got here this same racial wine was going on. We are trump has started with his racism. A fundamental debate about what it means to be American America first he said you're right the roots of that were in opposition to getting in the war against Hitler but his America is defined not to include immigrants and not to include people of Color and let's just state the obvious if you tell four women of color three of whom were born here right that you should go back to where you came from kind of St Bully Epithet that is rates right yeah and there's no denying it and they want to have it both ways they want to say we weren't being racist but by the way we have the same definition of what it means to be American as you do white national in store person backlash person and they can't they. I think they had a bad ed week. Because you know trump had to change his tune more than usual. He went forward then back then forward again and they know they've got a problem and I call that a full Charlottesville at this did he's now completely new rate of a worse. Here's the thing is that we didn't even have immigration laws in this country until like the late eighteen hundred eighteen hundreds right for they were always to exclude people to exclude it was to free white Americans. You could come. We had open borders to White Yeah so essentially it opened boards you could just come show up in America and eventually would matriculate you went to be white then you could come and the only immigration the only way to stop it or to say that southern Europeans weren't white enough that Italians aliens were wide enough to pay which was about twelve bucks right and so the point is this argument that we can only be the America we used to be if we have closed borders. That's the opposite of how Americans got here so that that makes makes no sense yeah but Donald Trump really has revealed something which is not just the racism. That's the stuff he's been. Doing that is white nationalism. Is it not to say this is a white country and if you're not white you're not really American like you're not really French. If you're North Africa live in France but you're not French. That's what we've always criticized about. The way that Europe had used to operate yeah I think this is something that his supporters and we have to start calling his supporters supporters racist as well that mega had mega symbol has come to represent something it is the new Nazi symbol. It is the new new could the Klan Hood so I I think they don't feel comfortable describing themselves that way and so this president has to say oh. No you guys don't worry about it because this is what I mean and he says America first he means White America first and that's something that people L. Racism is so ingrained in this country that when you criticize it people feel like you're criticized you. Don't you're not a patriot and I think particularly for black people. We have such a complicated history with this country. We're no less patriots. We've always known who this country was. When people say this isn't who we are isn't it though this is exactly this racism is as American as Apple Pie? We love this country for the promise of what the country could be and if I may address what Spencer said or not Spencer I get them so confused it Stephen Miller Congresswoman Presley <hes> she she was not saying that you have to talk like a brown person she was saying we don't need people in Congress who show up with Brown faces who don't want to be brown voices with black faces who don't want to be black voices because we all know the two are not always the same. I mean you can take Omarosa for example. She was a black face and this administration. I don't know that I would describe her. As a black voice you can take the new omarosa Candice Owens whatever her name is she is obliged face. She certainly isn't a black voice and so I don't want him to have the opportunity to misconstrue saying and even his language itself was very racist. The term illegal immigrant is overwhelmingly offensive then even that comes with Aidid. It's outdated Congressman Joaquin Castro Chair the Hispanic Caucus introduced legislation this week to remove it from the federal government lexicon so we can start having a more inclusive government and live up to what the promise of what America's determined in media we don't use it anymore and it used to be a very common thing they let me play one more clip of Stephen Miller and this was talking about the way that Donald Trump used to talk about America when the president was black lack when it was brought up President Obama take a listen he wrote the United States under President Obama has truly become the gang that couldn't shoot straight everything he touches turns to garbage and you'd see through that doesn't A._F._C. Donald J this interview Chris you continuing to Conflict Donald Trump's criticisms of president Obama versus deep and systemic criticisms of the country itself Danielle uh-huh who don't curse don't curse I mean are you. Are you kidding me like the Donald trump he should leave by his own standards because he used to criticize as we saw right there this country under Obama all the time because he cannot. I'm not stomach the fact that it was led by a black person and again Stephen Miller God bless him he tried but you cannot erase the words that were right there in front of us. I just have to say I want. I want to piggyback on something that Tiffany said again that for black black Americans are relationship with this country is very complicated. My parents are immigrants. I'm a first generation American thing. Past Week has been really really difficult but I will take a back seat to no one when it comes to loving this country and with that love comes the right to criticize. Is everybody including the President Yeah absence to way of being the very beginning yeah. That's the whole point of it. Okay what Tiffany Jay Jason hold it in. We're GONNA come right. Back hasn't come back Danielle. It gives Jay thank you very much for being here and for being here here in America appreciate all of us. We ain't leaving Lavar we go to break. We do have to say goodbye to somebody who diner gives stealing. She's taking a wedding was because he's going to work. Here's agreed with embarrassing. What about T._V.'s conceive ashamed that he's leaving A._M.? Danieli was up there. Dare you cook your off visit. You unannounced many occasions N._B._C. Way. No we love you okay. I'll just admit that only this one time congratulations congratulations time to find out who okay you know what time it is time to my home on the week each seventy Catholic priests <music> who sat in at the Capitol to protest the barbarism of trump's immigration policies and an interfaith group that included a lot of Jewish progressive activists who also sat in at ice or the WASCO. Oh great radical had a t shirt that said resisting tyrants since Phero I think to see at a time when religion is much contestant when it's being used on behalf of trump to see religious prophets and eighty year old nun's a ninety roll nonsol- away in handcuffs tells you what religion the message religion can send it supposed to send it and I hate the fact that trumpism has eaten up religion and gobbled up and now people think of Christians that and it is not that at all that church that had the friendship Baptist Church that said if you date America leave that is not that these folks put their lives on really depressing week yeah you could sort of look at them and be inspired it for them. Well God bless them all right. Let's go to tip off and one of the week. I'm Michelle. Obama won the week and I'll tell you why turns every week me by watching this week. She kicked off a new program with her initiative. When we all vote where she is laser focused on getting young people to vote now in the midterms we saw a surge across the country of young people voting but really it so wasn't enough? Only one in three young people voted well in twenty twenty. There'll be over three point five million young people who are currently high school students who will be eligible to vote yeah and she has kicked off a program with them the N._e._A.. AF T- teachers organization says they encourage these students to register to vote and she's not telling them who to vote for wink wink but she is trying to incorrect and not for nothing. I think it's something still that she is one of the few people across polls that shows can beat Donald Trump in the double digits see an oprah personally. She's the most women in America yes. She is phenomenal and she's not just about wearing cute. Balenciaga boots days and the pressure is on those were two options. I mean then you gotta go and go up against Jesus so much to do but go all right so I am here in San Diego Comic Con the largest Comic Book Convention in the World. You have fifty thousand people all erases all sexualities all bodies all different kinds and my winner of the week goes to the only twenty twenty Democratic candidate who came to COMECON and that is cory booker came here and said he is a Geek a geek. He's always science fiction. He's always like Star Trek. He said that his girlfriend Rosario Dawson introduce him to Luke Cage daredevil. I know he won't impress tiffany because he said he has seen the last season of game of thrones yet cory booker credit for being the only Democratic candidate who was pushing to win the Nerd vote in two thousand twenty but I couldn't see him that picture did he costly. He did not cause what he dresses a senator but he did do V._R.. Glass he talked about his favorite star Trek. Be just fine. That's fine. That's fine no. I'm glad that he quit because look. I'm very jealous that you're a COMECON by the way like extremely jealous or I should be wearing green gelling. It is cool that he went there because he has geeks rule we do you cory booker is I can see him going because he is. He just has a fun anyway. Yes I think he would have gone anyway all right good for that all right. That's good that's great. I think that's great. God bless him for going but my winner is yeah. I think you cannot beat this. You guys sometimes. I'll let you listen it Sunday. Thank you sorry I worked on Sundays. I apologize for that as well. Winner of the week is Katherine Johnson the Great Katherine Johnson the groundbreaking African American mathematician. She's celebrating the Fiftieth Anniversary of the moon landing which was yesterday coming out with their own memoir. It's called reaching for the Moon Johnson's handwritten calculations with a hidden figures behind NASA's first crude mission into space despite having to work in a male dominated and segregated space donald was the first woman to put her name on a report and her work laid the foundation of Nasa Space Shuttle Program that later put a man on the moon the two thousand sixteen movie. I'd read this now that our producer thank you for writing this down. I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything so I had her. Write this up for me. The two thousand sixteen movie hidden figures portrays the Work Johnson to other African American Women Dorothee von and Mary Jackson contributed to NASA nineteen sixty to launch she was awarded the Medal of freedom by President Obama in two thousand fifteen and here's the best part about it. I don't know if you wanted to M._S._N._B._c. but this is one hundred years old. She's going to be one hundred and one and she is still rockin still the smartest person on earth and so I had to pick Katherine Johnson as my who won the week she won the week. She won the last fifty years. We have this kind of science fiction if it weren't for her so then Yeah Kabakov so I appreciate that but I mean very quickly let's say politically very quickly lightning around Jason who won the we politically this week. Actually I'd say people to judge I mean he actually rolled out his Marshall. Plan is Douglas Plan. He's been talking about Outta immortal. I'm very impressed and I'm surprised okay okay Egypt quickly. I think all of the Caucasus in the House Democratic caucuses who kind of reached an agreement saying let's stop attacking each other a while Smart Smart Congressman Presley because I know the squad gets a lot of talk about their push back but they actually deuce pretty solid legislation this week she introduced a bill to laser focus on student debt and huge issue for a lot of young people across the country. I on out of the squad watch her fingering her in the Boston Globe Yeah. She used to work for yeah. She's going to be I promise you that ladies and watch her autograph but watch out oppressing. This is a special nomination. Oh wait but the A._M.. Joy team the people who greeted congresswoman ill on Omar when she returned to the Minneapolis airport this week. That is some week winning wonderful patriotism you go girl. I think that was great for all those people also so the congresswoman yeah she gets a new girl. What's her name would have said the congresswoman Marianne Williamson he did and he said you'll beg for more? I'm joined the break.
AM QUICKIE: September 9th, 2019 w/ Lucie Steiner & Sam Seder
"Breath it's Monday September ninth. I'm Lucy Steiner and I'm Sam Cedar. Which of these stories will you be talking about today. The US Air Force force admits their crews have been staying at trump struggling Scottish resort a lot more since he became president probably just a coincidence meanwhile Corey Lewandowski is set to become the first trump associate to have a public hearing with the House Judiciary Committee and lastly Hong Kong warns the United States Congress to stay out of their affairs after thousands of demonstrators marched on the US disconsolate on Sunday to appeal for support from Washington. You are listening to majority. Fm Am quickey and these are the stories you need to know politico reports that the US Air Forces ordered a review of how it chooses overnight accommodations on long flights after it was revealed. Vietnam aircrews have been staying overnight Donald Trump Scotland resort well refueling at a nearby airport Lieutenant General John Thomas the deputy head of Air Mobility Command said he could not report how many of these overnights may have been at trump's resort but politico notes that the frequency of those stopovers has tripled since then and overnights have increased more than fivefold from forty overnights in two thousand fifteen to two hundred and twenty this year through August the House government oversight and Reform Committee launched a probe of the Scottish operations in April out of concern concerned that the Pentagon has been helping to keep trump struggling Scottish golfers or afloat trump finds all kinds of creative uses for the Pentagon Air Force officials. Tell politico that there has been no oh evidence uncovered of wrongdoing but the implication that the military is enriching the president is damaging trump's former campaign manager. Corey Lindau Ski will be testifying defying public when he appears before the House Judiciary Committee later this month according to the daily Beast Lewandowski is set to appear before the committee on September seventeenth to answer questions questions related to the panel's investigation into possible obstruction of justice by trump the spectacle may inject some life into Democrats impeachment investigation which Nadler and other leaders have made made four more explicit over the summer. The high profile testimony will also come amid speculation that Lindau ski may mount a run for US Senate in his home state of New Hampshire Majority Dot FM's. AM quickey is fueled by just coffee DOT CO OP. Just coffee is a worker owned coffee roaster based based in Madison Wisconsin that sponsored the majority report for nearly a decade check out their collection of fair trade rose including our own majority report land and Dan regardless of what you order received ten percent off of your order when you use the code majority at checkout all shipping of course it's free that's coupon code majority it just coffee dot co op the AP reports that Hong Kong government has warned the United States Congress to stay out of its affairs ears after thousands of demonstrators marched on the US consulate on Sunday to appeal for support from Washington House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said last week that Congress is looking forward to quote quotes swiftly advancing the Hong Kong bill but in a statement released Monday Hong Kong's government warned that quote foreign legislatures should not interfere in any form with the internal affairs. There's unquote of Hong Kong. Meanwhile thousands of Hong Kong students formed human chains outside schools across the city Monday to show solidarity with the continuing demands for democratic attic reforms and now for what we're following today some quicker quickies former South Carolina Governor Mark Doc Sanford formally announced his bid to challenge President Donald Trump for the White House on Sunday he faces long odds and a fractured Republican Party. CNBC reports the J. P. Morgan has created an index to track and quantify trump's tweets and their impact on bond volatility and the financial market. It's come to this. Reuters is is reporting that nearly a week after Hurricane Dorian made landfall some seventy thousand people are in need of food and shelter private forecasters estimated that three billion dollars in insured property pretty was destroyed or damaged in the Caribbean and lastly a very cool. Texas man was arrested in New York City on Saturday after he attacked the famous Wall Street bull with the homemade Banjo while screaming fuck donald trump leaving a hole in its horn way a <music> well. That's IT folks thanks for listening to Majority Dot. Fm Am quickey Sam. Hey thank you lucy. Don't forget to check out the majority Jordan report today at noon or later wherever your podcasts are found.
Day 967: Trump DOJ says Dems shouldn't get the goods from Mueller's grand jury
"Tonight the Justice Department claiming House Democrats shouldn't get access to secret muller grand jury materials in part because they can't say whether what they're now doing is actual impeachment or not well Andrew McCabe asking that same Justice Department his former employer if indeed a grand jury failed to indict him and so far the DOJ is not talking about that and in his search for a fourth national security advisor how's the business of national security and how does how's the world view the American President these days as the eleventh hour gets underway on a Friday night well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day nine sixty seven of the trump administration and just tonight. There's a new problem with the way House Democrats are going after and trying to use what are normally secret grand jury materials from the Muller Investigation the Democrats argue. They need them for an impeachment inquiry. The Justice Department though is pushing back saying the Democrats haven't made it at all clear that this is an impeachment beechman inquiry. This question is now before a federal judge and in court papers trump's. Doj specifically mentions the messaging by the Democrats has been all over the place specifically they say quote the Speaker of the House has been emphatic. The investigation is not a true impeachment. Proceeding they add the committee's own description of its investigation makes clear that it is too far removed from any potential judicial preceding the filing even sites news media reports reports on the Democrats conflicting descriptions of just what they are doing here it includes two stories from Andrew Desert Darrow who joins us in just a moment in fact we at at this humble broadcast had noted this same thing earlier this week and we add the following as proof that no two Democrats are saying the same thing on impeachment for anyone that was confused. We are in the midst of an investigation we will be here for the purpose of investigating the possibility of voting articles of impeachment against the President and chairman as described well. We're doing tomorrow is is adopting procedures enabling us. I do it more effectively so it's a bit technical inside baseball. Maybe essentially the impeachment inquiry has already begun. People can call this whatever they wanNA call well it. I don't want to get caught in semantics. Do you purchase a portable phone with articles of impeachment. I think we should move for four-way on on things James leading up to that only vote that is ultimately going to matter is whether we vote to impeach him. Today's move by the Justice Department Auburn comes one day after the House Judiciary Committee voted to ramp up as you heard Chairman Nadler allude to its investigation of Donald Trump involving more hearings more aggressive awesome tactics when it comes to handling witnesses tonight Jerry Nadler spoke out about the latest effort to thwart the investigation we have been very clear clear for the last several months in court filings in public statements and in proceedings in the committee that we are in fact conducting an investigation the Gatien preparing to decide whether to recommend the articles of impeachment now this is another instance of the trump administration trying to cover cover up and hide from Congress and from the American people in this case from Congress 'cause the American people wouldn't see the grand jury information all kinds of mission. Meanwhile the word impeachment appears to be very much on the president's mind of late just this morning he asked. How do you impeach a president who has helped create. Perhaps the greatest economy in the history of our country done more than any president in I two and a half years despite phony and fraudulent witch hunt illegally lead against him you don't impeach presidents for doing a good great job and it came up last night when he spoke to a gathering of House Democrats in Baltimore. They told Nancy Pelosi and have to do something other than try and impeach somebody. That didn't do anything wrong you have to. I said it's hard to impeach somebody who didn't do anything wrong. The Muller report is out this no collusion after two and a half years president also got a big assist today from his loyal House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy who criticized criticized Democrats for their handling of the investigation of this president. The leadership doesn't even know what the committee's doing. Let known the conference itself. They can't even determine whether whether they're working on impeachment or not the Democrats are making it an issue and I think it's a wrong issue for them to even talk about then. There's this as all this unfolds. The Washington Post is reporting that House Judiciary Committee is negotiating to bring X. Attorney General Jeff sessions to the hill to testify before them the mullahs report detailed how trump had pummeled sessions and tried to to pressure him to reverse his recused from the Russia matter. According to the post sessions lawyer says the only way as client's going to testify under subpoena the Judiciary Committee also scheduled to go to court next month to try to force former White House counsel Don mcgann to come before them at a hearing and former trump campaign manager. Corey Lewandowski when dowse key is scheduled to give public testimony before that same committee on September seventeenth to answer questions about possible obstruction of justice all all this leading us to our leadoff discussion on a Friday night and for that we welcome any Carney White House reporter with the New York Times Jonathan Allen. NBC News National Political Reporter and Andrew Desiderio Congressional reporter for Politico Returning Veterans all Andrew because your name was invoked. I'd like to begin with you. What what does this filing. What does this dust up with justice mean for those House Democrats right so this is exactly what House Democrats. Let's have told me all week that they feared the idea that essentially the inconsistent impeachment messaging could undermine their central claim to the grand jury information that was gathered others part of the Mueller Investigation what the White House and the Justice Department have been able to do as a result of this filing is to take advantage of the fact that House Democrats have not identified a unified front on this issue saying no they aren't engaged in a formal impeachment inquiry and therefore they do not have a right to the smaller grand jury information earlier earlier in the week. It was more a political misfire. Now has the potential to become a tactical misfire inadequate actually hurt them in court and he loved reading your contributions contributions by the way on the live blog last night during the debate really enjoyed it around here on tonight's topic. The president seems to think that impeachment Richman is a clear and present danger. He does and just to be clear in his speech in Baltimore last night. He touched on impeachment. He touched on it that everything you ever talks about that. He he gave a sixty eight minute rambling speech that was sort of supposed to be counter programming to the democratic debate that was going on the exact same time so I don't think it stood that in the vast array of topics he likes to touch on it was almost a laugh line for him but we saw the tweet this morning saying you can't impeach the president. Who's doing a great job. One thing that struck me as impeachment didn't come up once at the debate last night among the presidential candidates when being out front on impeachment used to be a real way to stand hand out in that field there was no discussion of it in that we're a lot of people tried to target trump instead of targeting other that stood out but again this this this confusion on what the House Democrats are actually doing are they conducting an impeachment and career are they conducting a probe to figure out whether they will impeach him. does seem to be standing exactly in their way and what what surprises me is. They know the Justice Department is going to take every chance they CANTU block any handing them over any grand jury information anything. That's what this administration position has been on everything did. They did anyone when they're not foresee that they would use this messaging issue to block this and John. What enders reporting gets to of course is that impeachment is a turn one of a term of art. It is a legal trigger in other words. Yes we will break the seal on this confidential grand jury material if if you are speaking with the authority of the House of Representatives and you're going to impeach this Guy John what has been behind the muddled messaging on this topic doc Jerry Nadler again tonight as he did in mid summer appeared on CNN then came to this building to appear on this broadcast on this network tonight to say in effect. Oh we're we're so impeach. You wouldn't believe it. yeah impeaches though were a flavor that you could draw from Jerry Nadler. Doing that would be the impeach yes. I do think that what's behind it. Brian is Nancy Pelosi's desire to keep control of the the House of Representatives in the next congress. there's intellectual push their electoral desire She wants to make sure that she's not losing house members. She doesn't want to go too fast. She it doesn't WanNA force tough votes on her members. for many of them it would be difficult to have a vote on impeachment of basically. Pitt the liberal base in their districts against more or moderate swing voters that they need to win and so I think that's what we've been seeing for months and months and months now as a practical matter you know this question of impeachment and the courts whether or not Democrats are moving forward the courts have ruled on this in the past in terms of grand jury testimony there is going going back to the to the to the Nixon period and Watergate the house's power to impeach its and its power to investigate toward impeachment. is something that is absolutely recognized by the courts as a reason not to go and unseal that grand jury testimony for the Congress to go look got it and so if that was to be overturned that would be a reversal of what the court precedent has been before. I've talked to a number of lawyers about this. folks have gone back in the Justice Department as far as the Johnson administration so pre dating that Nixon error that doesn't mean the court wouldn't change its mind based on what it seeing today but it's no wonder he said that the Justice Department under trump is making this argument and and who knows how far it goes along in the court baby some of the justices the president has appointed into the Supreme Court would end up having different view than the court has had in the past but that impeachment power and the ability investigators is one that is recognized and the idea that you would have to impeach the President before you could investigate whether to impeach him have the tools to investigate is probably at least a illegally tenuous tenuous one so Andrew the Democrats have to hope that that same holding applies to them. That's exactly right and I think what this reflects is. The competing political priorities within the House Democratic Caucus Right now speaker Pelosi. We've talked about before Brian surely has to balance the two sides of her caucus. One the more progressive flank that wants to have a more aggressive if posture toward the president wants to make it seem like they are on a path to impeachment the second flank is the more moderate flank of the Democratic Party. The more vulnerable members in twenty twenty whom Nancy Pelosi needs to ensure that they win their reelections because many of their victories in two thousand eighteen were key to Democrats winning over the winning back control troll the house rather so this super important to her and those moderate members do not want to embrace impeachment for many reasons number one being it's probably not popular in their districts and be republican-leaning districts John. You're just back from Houston. You were there to cover last night's debate. Consensus was the biggest moment kind of backfired a bit on a former Secretary Castro who went after Joe Biden appeared to all of us on memory. It appeared all of us. It was something he had in his back pocket and ready to go before we talk about it. Here's a both men reacting to that today. Your campaign has called what Sexual Castro called said. Last night is a low blow a cheap shot. He said it wasn't personal view what he said you and your exchange. I don't view it as anything. I think he's GonNa specs. We're up there to debate and that's what I was doing. I pointed out that Vice President Biden's plan would leave out ten million people. I I think that's significant and I would point that out again. Jon Allen question to you was real damage done last night and and and or is this just something for us for the chattering classes to chatter about. It'll be interesting to see Brian. I think most voters probably we aren't into the weeds of the policy and certainly don't probably don't care a whole lot about the personality pieces of this but there are important dynamics going on here about the differences between these healthcare plans and I think there are some things that the voters care about in terms of you know which candidates are attacking being which ones might be trying to get cheap shots and also whether the vice president you know it was having is having difficulties that some of his rivals are suggesting you know. I watched watch it happen live. I went back over the transcripts. it looked like these two were talking past each other a little bit the appoint. Castro makes about the vice president's health care plan that would require some people to buy and therefore there would be fewer people insured under his plan is is an accurate distinction between between the Biden Plan and the Castro plan and the Biden plan and many of the other plans and Biden's point that some of the other healthcare plans would be extremely costly because they would cover cover. Everybody is also a salient point. I think we ought to wait and see what voters reactions order this before we judge who's going to be hurt by and who might be helped would say this if if you're holding on Castro in your polling two percent or three percent somewhere along those lines the likelihood that this is going to be devastating to you beyond you know sucking away way a little bit of what you have seems pretty small compared to the possibility that you might bring in some attention bringing some money and maybe attract a few people to your campaign anti Carney a couple of things as you mentioned the president's what sixty eight minutes speech in Baltimore last night at the end of this broadcast tonight we have a as best we could a compilation of the greatest. I hints contained therein I said at the top of the broadcast he spoke to house Democrats. That would be interesting in reality. He spoke to House Republicans. We heard the usual attacks on the usual suspects among the Democrats but anyone you talk to people in that West Wing. Anyone connected to the campaign when they're being honest I. He's got to have an opponent at some point. Is there one they fear more. I mean it hasn't changed along with his status. Like Biden is still bill. Among the people I talked to that are connected to the campaign seen as the most difficult challenge for them to take on it would be the candidate who who is the hardest to make the socialist argument against and they think that is a good and winning message for them. It's a candidate who could eat at trump's numbers numbers with working white working class voters in the Midwest and the rust belt states that he has to win and states. He wanted twenty sixteen that being said they still I feel pretty confident about him. They think he's a very flawed candidate. If they're being honest looking at the field they think Elizabeth Warren is is the strongest natural talent on that that stage but they think that she that Biden because he can appeal to some of trump's voters would be the toughest matchup head to head thank due to the three of you for helping along our conversation at the end of another long week to any carney that Jon Allen to Andrew Desert area we greatly appreciate it and coming up for us as we continue on this Friday night the mystery surrounding the case of Andrew McCabe former number two at the FBI will he or won't he be indicted and later the president search for a fourth national security advisor as the job is vacant again. Where does that leave us. In terms of North Korea China Russia Iran the tower ban for starters as the eleventh hour is just getting started on this Friday night. HEY MSNBC listeners. It's me Chuck Rosenberg this week on the oath. I I sit down with lead nine eleven prosecutor Rob Spencer when needed to treat this as a regular murder case except with nearly three thousand victims rob was the lead prosecutor in the trial of Zachariah Araya Moussaoui the Nine Eleven conspirator and the only member of al Qaeda ever to be tried in a US courtroom. We're able to give even our avowed enemy who told US trial trial that could he come back and kill every one of us a fair trial join me for that conversation with Lead Nine Eleven Prosecutor Rob Spencer. That's this week on. MSNBC's the oath available now wherever you get your podcasts former FBI deputy director here Andrew McCabe wants to know if he's going to be indicted and he wants the Justice Department and turned to show its cards. We learned yesterday. It seemed the government would pursue criminal final charges. McCabe is accused of lying to internal investigators. It's the kind of thing that would typically be handled administratively but in this case a grand jury was reconvened leading most to believe an indictment was coming but that didn't happen in a letter to the DOJ McCabe zone attorneys write quote we heard rumors from from reporters starting this morning that the grand jury considering charges against Mister McCabe had declined to vote an indictment. We believe that if the grand grand jury has in fact voted and here they use a legal term well explained in a minute not a true bill the justice manual compels you not to resubmit submit the case to the same or different grand jury as the Wall Street Journal Headline Puts it tonight. It's a sign that the case may be in jeopardy former. US Attorney Harry Littman a frequent guest of ours offers this context quote a grand jury's refusal to return an indictment is something that happens. Maybe once every five years in a given office if it occurred here given the magnitude visibility of the McCain case it is a stunning and humiliating rebuke for overreaching and playing playing politics well joining us tonight Katie Benner Justice Department reporter for the New York Times and Cynthia oxy a former federal prosecutor herself Cynthia Thea. Please start us off with a definition of not a true bill. Not a true bill would be when if you went into the grand jury room mm-hmm and you asked the members of the grand jury for an indictment and they said no. We're not GONNA do it. I mean it just doesn't happen that you don't get you get a not a true bill it. I probably have indicted a thousand cases. Maybe two thousand I don't know you just that's something that you do so routinely and I've never had that happened to me and here's why because the grand jury room let me just bring it to life for you for minute. It's like a like a sixth grade classroom and and you have the members of the grand jury and they're twenty three and you when you have a long investigation like this one. That's eighteen months long. You're in and out in front of this grand jury. You basically get to know them. They know your witnesses. You know what they're thinking. They ask questions you understand what's happening and at the end of the grand jury what you do. Who is you say to them okay. I'm in a really quickly. Summarize the evidence for you and then I'm going to explain the law to you and you do that and then you said. Does anybody have any questions questions and if the question is what happens if we don't believe you know witnesses. Ab and see what happens if we don't think you've met the standard that then you know you're you should not submit the you. Don't get a no true bill if you're paying attention and you're doing your job because you understand what's happening happening in the grand jury room with the most simple of people skills so I would find shocking if they got a notre. Bill would be horrifyingly embarrassing for the prosecutors. Okay Katie given that terrific and vivid example of what it's like inside the grand jury room remind all the good folks watching watching tonight what this case is about and why McCabe might have gone public in such a public way of course so you have to go back in time to the Russia investigation investigation. Andrew McCabe was the number two F. B. I. official he was overseeing that investigation and certainly that's something that made president trump extremely unhappy during the course of the investigation investigation during the course of the Hillary Clinton investigation as well which McKay was deeply involved in Andrew McCabe authorized people to speak to the press in interviews news with the FBI. When that was investigated he was found to have lacked candor about that. He did not immediately say yes I did that. He wasn't forthcoming keep in mind right as the number two F. B. I. official. He has more than able to authorize people to speak to the press but that lack of candor something that he was criticized for by the inspector general enroll in an unusual twist he was then that was kicked over and turn into a criminal prosecution as you mentioned at the top of the show that very rarely happens usually it's dealt with administratively creatively there've been people have shown all sorts of examples where an where FBI or DOJ employee has been found to have committed sexual assault sexual harassment and lied about it and they were not criminally prosecuted. This is something Andrew McCabe doing something that he's allowed to do having lack of candor about it and then being criminally prosecuted for it's highly unusual Katie you. We have a plight gear byline to another very newsy piece just tonight in the New York Times. There's the headline Justice Department to to honor team that worked on Cavanaugh confirmation process. Here's the quote the Justice Department will present one of its most prestigious awards to the lawyers who worked on a highly contentious Supreme Court nomination process of Judge Brett M Cavanaugh next month Attorney General William Bar will present the Attorney General's Award for Distinguished Service to those who worked quote to support the nomination of judge according to an email reviewed by the New York Times Katie who normally really gets these awards. Doj So normally a prosecutor these awards an FBI agent somebody. WHO's really helped with a case that has been a landmark case for the justice. This department in these awards are extremely revered. I think what's interesting here and a way to tie what's happening with this award ceremony next month and what we're seeing with. Andrew McCabe case is the people have been worrying that the Justice Department has become extremely politicized. The Justice Department is working in order to please president trump now whether or not that's true crew. Neither of these things do a very good job of dissuading people from that notion. Cynthia is just as as a DOJ veteran. Is this just another norm to fall. It just makes you sick to your stomach. I I don't know what to say. I love the Justice Department and it's just not the Justice Department that I love anymore four and and Katie so much nicer than I am. People are worried about it becoming politicized. It is completely politicized. It is this Andrew McCabe. K. Prosecution is completely politicized. Tonight's response on the grand jury evidence that should be with the house is completely politicized. BAR GOING TO TRUMP's spinning thirty thousand dollars is completely politicized. There's nothing normal about this justice department and I don't know no if we can get it back. I get so depressed when I think about what's happened to the Justice Department and ponder what how I used to love to just look at that statue Robert Kennedy and be so a proud to be there and now it's it's a disgrace. Both Katie and Cynthia have agreed to stay with us over this break and coming up when our conversation continues was a lawsuit against the president resurrected given new life today. It's about something Cynthia just referenced more on that. When we come back you guys benefiting financially from the president. It's ridiculous. I mean first of all. He's not involved at all with someone cheeseburger at the trump hotel. It's it's Asinine and you've seen that you've seen where the emoluments suits have gone there just trying the amount of incoming he's taken but really the family and the business anything in a desperate sprit attempt to stop him president's favourite morning program those comments from the president's eldest son came at the same time a federal appeals court revived a lawsuit involving the president and his aforementioned properties the suit filed by the group called crew citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington and claims that trump is illegally profiting from foreign officials who do business as DC hotel second circuit of the Federal Government Court today said read the complaint is valid and rejected a previous court ruling to dismiss the case Secretary of State. Mike pompeo was at trump's. DC The hotel today couldn't resist taking a shot at the media. I look around. This is such a beautiful hotel. The Guy who owns it must be going to be successful somewhere along the way that was for the Washington Post in case in the back. Okay all of this also comes as we learn more details tales about those military stopovers that trump's hotel in Scotland politico reporting today the US Air Force has lodged lodged crews at President Donald Trump Scotland outlined resort up to forty times since two thousand fifteen a figure that is far higher than previously known all of this is also the subject of an ongoing ongoing Congressional Investigation Katie Benner Cynthia Oxen. He remained with us before we resume our conversation. Let's listen to the executive director of crew on this topic of emoluments. Your monuments clauses of the constitution were not household names. It was not something that most people knew about because presidents just followed them. Presidents didn't try to keep global businesses going while they were serving they didn't take money from the federal government and the states and foreign governments while in office they they just followed the law okay Cynthia so we have all learned. A lesson in this emoluments are not an ingredient in handcream. They are in fact aspects of very basic constitutional law. The question to you becomes uh-huh. Why are these cases proving so hard to prove well they alert. They aren't being hard approved. We aren't even getting to that point. The the cases are all being hung up on the question of standing on who really gets to do the challenge so the second circuit case was dismissed and now it's it. One of two things will happen to it either. It will go back to begin the discovery process which I have to say. We'll be fascinating. I would do anything to help in that world. They'll find out who spending spending what money in different hotels and restaurants and that discovery process would be fascinating or the White House could stall and take it up to the full second second circuit which seems on brand for them as my children would say that's on brand. They stole everything so that those are the two options for the second circuit case but there's two more cases out there also on the standing issue about who gets to sue they have conflicting results results and so what's likely to happen at some point is the supreme court will decide who really gets to sue when the president is taking all this money from in foreign people through his businesses. Katie as you've pointed out time and time again completely uncharted territory as Mr Bookbinder just said the the apartment you cover the attorney general has already booked the trump hotel for the annual holiday party for DOJ. You've compared this to kind of the legal version of Russia if you're listening because this is happening in plain sight correct yes absolutely and so the process it's Cynthia anthea. Just described is the process that we believe in right. It's our core process and hopefully with this amount of deliberation this much careful effort this much back and forth will come to a final final decision that we can work with as a standard going forward that we can agree upon and we think is fair now. The problem here too is that president trump and his family moved much more quickly quickly than the courts. Do they would move much more quickly than law enforcement does and so what we're seeing is. We're seeing them set enorm-. We're seeing them set what is acceptable. Will they are changing what the public will bear with the public except we see that in Pompeo's joke and so by the time the courts do finally rule no matter how that ruling comes out of course I will be impactful and of course we'll be very important but it's hard to deny that we as a public and as a country will not have changed in a way that significantly could impact how much we care about that ruling Cynthia. What an important point Katie just made the first family moves faster than law enforcement right well? That's the problem is they have figured out at the name of the game is stall and it's working for them. I mean it's working in these cases. It's working in not turning over tax returns. It's working in improperly happily claiming executive privilege. It's working in not turning over the documents from the Department of Defense about these staying the stays over in Scotland. It works for them because our system of justice moves slowly and at some point we will all gonna come but it may be long after he's president by the time we get all this information so what's going to happen is once we get it and we realized that he's broken. All the norms Congress Congress is going to have to pass actually do their job and passed some laws that say that that that frame exactly what the president can't do because the emoluments arguments clauses to a moment's clauses in the constitution and there are a little vague but there they don't spell it out in a way that can be quickly enforced by the trump's on the trumps of the world and so we're going to need actual very specific language institutes that tells us exactly what the president can and cannot do in terms of a business while he or she I hope soon is the President United States Okay and of course when I hear Congress legally bound to invoke the phrase what could go wrong our thanks to these two guests tonight for both the journalism and the law aw of what we're watching before us to Katie Benner to Cynthia alchemy thank you both for joining us on a Friday night and coming up for our broadcast tonight from cancelled sold meeting with the Taliban to the ousting of another national security adviser a recap of trump's chaotic week on the world stage from a Guy Guy who covers the world stage. I think he's fantastic but I actually spoke to Mike Mike pompeo about that. He likes the idea of having somebody in there with them and I do too. We have fifteen candidates. Everybody wants it badly as you can imagine and and we'll probably next week sometime make that decision. It's a great job. It's great because it's a lot of fun to work with. Donald Trump and it's very easy actually to work. Would you know why it's easy because I make all the decisions already. The president now needs to find a national security advisor the third person to hold that job John Bolton who the president wants called Mike Bolton as trump prepares to meet world leaders at the UN General Assembly next week the US is facing several several foreign policy challenges for example. Taliban leaders were due to arrive as house guests at Camp David before the President Nixed that idea president continues to send conflicting messages on Tariffs with China now says he's open to an interim trade deal of some sort he also seems open to another meeting with Kim Jong UN of North Korea. Even as the Treasury Department imposes new sanctions to punish North Korean computer hackers so to sort it all out with US tonight. Christopher dickey a veteran foreign correspondent journalist author. He is the Paris based World News editor for the daily beast who happens to be with us here in New York tonight and just in case as people don't recognize you. I have something prepared for people as we normally see you. There is the Schanzle Liza Christopher dickey tonight. We're getting the New York Art Christopher dickey. What a treat to have you. It's my pleasure. I have to start on the darkest note. Tell the good people watching at home what you said to me about democracy in the break. Oh I think I think I think in the United States I think in Great Britain and across Europe to some extent. We're seeing the death of democracy. We're seeing the rise of what is calling itself. Populism realism claims to speak in the name of the people but in fact is destroying the basic institutions of Republicans smaller Republican government when the history books are written a that is one of the more chilling things said at this table be when the history books are written how much credit or blame will Mr Putin. Get get well either. He's very lucky or very skilled in the nippy relating this situation or both I think both I think he's been he's benefited from characters like Boris Johnson. I don't think Boris Johnson's necessarily working for Putin. I think he's definitely benefited from the election of Donald Trump he's benefited from the crisis of migration and other issues that have created a sense of really great misgivings in Europe and he's basically taking revenge because you have to remember about Putin that he feels and there's always felt that the western intelligence services were undermining inning his authority and interfering with his efforts to rebuild the Russian empire and so this is his revenge he he saw the weakness in the in the Western in systems and he went after them and the first and biggest target well not I but the biggest target was the United States he used on US techniques that leave us in the Baltic republics and other places and they were very successful the UK right now is a mess if it's not a mess it'll do till the mess gets. Let's hear will we look back on Brexit as the first probing of the Russians to see if they could not affect a democracy you and the Atlantic Alliance. I think they didn't have to do that much work in on Brexit. They did try to influence the brexit situation but I don't think that they had really prepared for it that much because nobody really had seen it coming. I mean when when David Cameron called for this referendum although he said he would do it. It was one of those things that people go do it. I'm sure it's going to do it then he does. It and he was sure that everybody would vote. Let's stay in Europe at least most people would but no the result it comes out and it's based on all kinds of things resentment of rural populations fears of migration this kind of thing thing and the Russians the Russians tried to feed that were they really went into went to work on the United States that that we see very very clearly from the Miller report this whole idea now that somehow the mullahs report was some fabrication irrelevant. It's very clear it's very very detailed. It's very unequivocal. The Russian set out to have a profound effect on the elections in two thousand sixteen team. I don't think they thought that trump would win but they thought they could undermine the authority and the credibility the legitimacy of of Hillary Clinton by the Guide to games that they played and then when they saw that trump could win of course they put as much effort as they could into into supporting it before we send you back to the Schanzer Leeza at the conclusion of your brief trip home. If I begged you to end on a hopeful note maybe an post markle Germany. You may be in Europe. Where would it be. Where do you find hope well. I think their frustrations in every every one of the countries I think think that Emmanuel macron although the president of France where I live. I think that he is trying to do the right things. I think he is a Democrat although he his authority is very powerful but I think that he understands the kinds of things that we're discussing miracle also although she's on her way out. She's is a lame duck. She's still a powerful influence for democracy we saw in. Spain people have been hanging onto democratic institutions country. Still Remembers Fascism for what it really was and I think there are signs of resistance many signs of resistance and people a lot of people thought that the European Parliamentary Elections a few months ago would be swept by these far right parties and that didn't happen in in fact the parties that are on the rise are the green parties in Europe because in Europe unlike in the United States the environment climate change those are huge and vital issues for voters at many levels but particularly for the young people of Europe and they just basically don't want to inherit a world. That's we'll. They'll be burned alive. Thank you for always getting up insanely early to talk to us. Say Safe travels. Thank you great to see you always Christopher Dickey here with us in New York coming up as the president promises hundreds of miles of new border wall new warnings about national security wrists real risks it created by using military money to pay for it when we come back and that wall is being built and it's being billed rapidly and we hope to have as much as five hundred miles of wall built by the end of next year five hundred miles. That's a lot that's about what we want president boasting about his yet to be built wall of course building it brings with it heavy consequences as you may remember the administration is taking three eight point six billion with a B. dollars from the Pentagon to pay for the barriers these funds have been earmarked for nearly two hundred twenty different projects on US military terry basis here and around the world and B. C. News obtained a report compiled by the US Air Force that lays out numerous ways this move of money impacts ax national security one example stood out to US Incirlik Air Base in Turkey the Entry Control Point at the main gate degrading not properly configured figured to provide proper protection for pedestrian and vehicle passage quote if not funded the main gate remains vulnerable to hostile penetration in the midst of contingency agency operations and an increased terrorist threat then there's this at I also on Air Force Base in Alaska boiler failure. Excuse me a boiler Taylor failure at a facility that provides all electrical power and steam heat for the base is imminent with temperatures as low as sixty sixty five degrees below zero failure would be devastating to facilities and the missions housed by them within hours congressional officials officials worn. Many of these projects could be set back a year or more. It's also clear the US military in its own way is trying to protect its own on funding and facilities especially where it affects readiness which of course is job one for the Pentagon another break for us and coming up an event that got drowned out by ten Democrats last night when we come back a prominent Republican had to say last evening that you may not have heard last thing before we go here tonight is about last night while we were here watching and then covering the reaction to the Democratic Debate in Houston the president slip into the city he associates with Vermin Baltimore two more Maryland which he famously called a rat and rodent infested mess he spoke at a gathering of House Republicans and Mary out ballroom for sixty eight minutes and and he covered it all lightbulbs paper straws cows stairs and again last night he was literally tilting at windmills. Hillary wanted wind wind bills. They make noise. They kill all the birds. The energy is intermittent. You happen to be watching the Democrat debate and the wind is blowing. You're not going to see Charlie what the hell happened to this debate pocahontas sleepy Joe Food Edgy Edge who'd edge they said think of it as boot and then an edgy edge because nobody could pronounce this guy's name Buddha edge Buddha judge. I've had him up here and presidency of China China. He is tough for boy. He's furious kind of guy. Here's she had a big meeting. Today and Chuck Grassley was there and Joni Ernst and John Thune. Mike Pounds Mike Pounds Hillary should make two stops and she'd say I gotta rest for a couple of weeks. Ah Let me rest for a couple of weeks now. She didn't like stairs green new deal. That's a beauty no more the cows no more planes. I guess no more people right because Kevin is just like a couch just smaller. I had to pick somebody for that. One Kevin and I just looked at that beautiful political face a US and then they talk about plastic straws. I said what about the plate. What about the rapper. That's made out of a much tougher plastic. People said what's what's the LIGHTBULB. I said his story the bulb that were being forced just to use number one to me. Most importantly the lights no good. I always look orange and so do you. A great guy got on in Texas that he's wearing this big a cowboy hat this beautiful hat which we could wear them. Nobody would have a look of my hair and criticized good where that happened. I'd never taken if you are a terrific group and I know almost most all of you. I like most of you. I know all of you and Kevin Kevin is just like a smaller and everybody I wanNA thank you. This was an incredible evening. Our President of the United States condensed from last night in Baltimore to play us off the air for this last broadcast of the week hoping your weekend is a good one. That is our Friday Friday night broadcast. Thank you so much for being here with us good night from our NBC News headquarters here in New York. 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