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Thank you. For listening. Downloading streaming all that good stuff. It is greatly appreciated as you probably hear from the audio quality. I am on the road this week coming to you from Los Angeles for my monthly visit here at the rainbow where I perform or I should say. I host. I guess there's some performance in all this. Well, but I host something called the trunk nation, LA invasion, and that happens with a bunch of great guests. And at the time you hearing this open. I'm getting ready to do that. And that's going to be happening. This time around with Sammy Hagar and his band the circle record coming out as well as Duff MacKay gin who's going to be joining me with shooter Jennings. So that should be a lot of fun. And that's what I'm in LA for also had a chance to host the latest DO cancer fund event for the ride for Ronnie that went real well nice surprise when Dave Grohl came down and joined us in jammed a little bit was a big big cool moment that nobody expected Dave lives in Encino, which is close to where which is in the in the place where we do the right for Ronnie for the deal cancer fund. And he literally was walking by earlier in the day. Saw the stage salt was going on came back and played a couple of songs with the all star band. And that was assembled and it was really really cool. They did jailbreak by thin Lizzy, and they did bomber by Motorhead. So is a great day for a great cause for the deal. Cancer fund. The latest event is in the books. Thanks to everybody who came out. I'm here in L A as I said, I'm recording this on the Monday prior to the Thursday that it debuts. 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I think that's how you say his name first time, I had a chance to meet C P and snake, of course, is an old friend for decades now, and this interview happened onboard the monsters of rock cruise is the Bammer getting ready for their performance, which they did an amazing job on this this year. They really did. I mean, they played only one time, but they brought the house down packed the theater, and it was the first time I had a chance to see the band with z p their current lead singer. So you get a little sense of what he's about and get a little update on skid row, and what they're doing again this originated live on board the monsters of rock cruise in February. And then the second interview a little more recent recent call in than it had with Glenn Hughes, of course of deep purple fame. Glenn is currently touring doing a deep purple set around the world talk a little bit about that his future plans and some other stuff as well. 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Don't feel compelled to clap is really not warranted. And meeting meeting for the first time I met for the first time yesterday, and I'll cease perform and sing for skid row for the first time ever on this cruise tonight GP tear in my saying that right close enough. We'll take that close enough. I'll take that c p welcome in nice to meet you. How many gigs are you into how much time or do you have logged in skid row at the moment? Have you done a year yet? What are we looking at three years three years? Yeah. Oh my gosh. And you're still doing it and wave you've been you haven't had enough of this guy by now. Well, he's grading a little. I gotta be nice. Well, I got to be nice little as we'll talk a little bit about your your how you got into the band, and how this came about for you. Well, this is gay chat line online. Eddie trunk. Dot com. I've known Rachel for awhile. And when the opportunity arise he give me a shout. And we just took it from there. Where was your first gig with skid row was in Mohegan sun? Connecticut. Yeah. And how was that for you? It was great. It was about five thousand people. We get the fire. He'd always interesting is that when when we started going through this search and things fell apart with with Tony Tony hornell had been in the ban. What six months, maybe ten ten months. I saw one of his early show in Vegas. So things fell apart as they do and. Rachel z said, Rachel z known each other and see it actually in one of his previous pants hit done a UK tour with US Open up for us in a band called IM. I it's so Rachel said why don't we fly Z over and jam with him. And see what happens and we were like I personally was like. Okay, cool. You know, anything's going to be better than what the situation that we had and he shows up, and he knew more of our catalog that we knew you like new late twenty songs route that he's we're like, what are you going Jim on thinking, maybe two or three songs? He's like, hey, go, man. I know all this. So whatever you wanna do I got and we went through a bunch of stuff, and I was really really blown away by just the the work that he put into it and knowledge of the songs and also the respect that he showed those songs from the past doing them Justice and and serving. You know, the legacy that they have Surinam being respectful of were those songs came from. And and how they were recorded previously and stuff and yet, but yet still taking ownership of them as well, there's epee where did you grow up so Africa, South Africa network skid row, a big deal in south out? We're still not. No, I got hold of the records. You know? It was the soundtrack of many crazy adventure my childhood. So I knew the lyrics just it was playing non stop, and you know. Had to do it. It was there. Any reservations for you going into a look we just had before you came on this show. We just had queen's Reich on right? And you've got a guy in queen's Reich in toddler, Tori, who had to step into what some people felt were irreplaceable shoes with Geoff Tate. He's grape and has been unbelievably embraced by the fans. And I think a part of it to not only his Todd done such a great job. But he also took the whole band shifted back towards where fans wanted him to go which was in more harder heavier direction. But for you was there any reservations, you know. You're no dummy you're coming in. Now. There's two guys before you that may be softened the blows a little bit. A lot actually. L? But so it's not an immediate thing. But, you know, you're no, dummy, you know, that that things always going to be hanging over you that comparison to to Sebastian what he did in the ban on those records. So was there any hesitation for you coming into this thing? Now, I don't even know if I want to be dealing with that it's not at all not at did you embrace it. I do I've got so much respect for the band and the music. And I didn't care. I needed to do is get in there. Do my best. And dude, do it the way that if I was stood in the crowd. I begun. Fuck can deal with that, you know, and just do that. And what everyone there's no shoes to fill. I don't step in other people's shoes. Just go to do what I gotta do. And if I'm happy with it. I don't care what anyone else thinks. That's what happened. And that's kind of what when we jammed for the first time it felt like really easy. It wasn't difficult at all. And I had my guard up, you know, and I was I was ready for a fight and almost just waiting for some sort of confrontation to occur because I was just I was pissed at what we had been through up to that point. And he made it so easy, man. Just think things unraveled so badly with Tony. Why do you think things didn't work out with Tony? We didn't know him from a work standpoint. Like, we didn't. We were never see we were friends outside of bans never worked with before. And just we have our way of doing things for better or worse. We just have you know, we started the band in eighty six and we have a way that we run our business, and it just didn't jibe with how he runs his life. It just didn't work. How close were you after the departure or dismissal of Tony to doing a reunion pretty close? I imagine the pressure had to be pretty big from every quarter at that point to go. We're going to go to a fourth singer. We're going to go. I said pretty close. That's actually, not true. And I'm thinking about it because we didn't get beyond text messaging each other to be quite honest. And again, it was it was for whatever reason there was all this stuff. I think I just lost you when Mike's up your mic out. Anyway. So this is where everybody wants to hear for Christ sakes. What are you talking about the Mike you hear us back there? Yeah. Mike in the room went out. Okay. The PA was to win out. So good continue. So we we didn't get beyond the text messaging phase. And it was same old stuff just seem to exist. Where there was you know, this confrontational sorta demeanor going back and forth between myself and Sebastian, and so it got to the point where I I'm I'm so proud of what we were able to create throughout the entire history of this band, and that will never change, but some things just don't work anymore and people go their separate ways. And it's just you can't get back together. I'm fine with that. 'cause I play music to be happy. I don't play music for paycheck. It's great to get paid to do what you love. But I don't I never done it for the money. It's always been about my love of music. And that's what it still is at my old crusty age. It's still because I love the Qatar. I love creating and I love the responsible being able to. Connected. Some way with an audience. That's why I started playing music. It was because I didn't know how to communicate. So it it came out through music through song and playing with Z in the band is brought a real joyous. This back to our lives. You could see it. It's not it's not faked or phony you can see it when we play. And that's what I live for. I live for those moments of just absolute joy. A reunion would have been great from a from a for a lot of other people who want who wanted to see that happen. But for us. It was not it would not have been pleasurable three quite honest last thing on that. Did you read? Did you read Sebastian's book? No, you have no interest in reading it. I you know, what I don't. I don't I have. I have you there. I looked I buy friends that I have read yet. So I might want to get to those first or do you want to do a book one day now, no interest? Now, I tell stories to you. That's more fun for me. He ripped my nostrils out last night. I did my head. There's a there's a series of photos ice simple photo op. Snake and Steve Brown as I was saying earlier this show turned into an all out assault sauce varies literally, aren't you show you on my phone literally took photos about a string of like forty and it literally looks like an assault. Someone's pulling hair out snake literally has his fingers in my nostril. Yeah. And it's just like, and then he walks up to me, just how'd you sleep last night? Purchased. Great a thousand beers, my hair and nose out. It was wonderful. Oh my God. It was a good time. We're watching faster pussycat great. And and it was great to why we're now. And it's great to see how well it healthy Tamie is also man because he I mean, he I was saying earlier he was in rough shape for there for a while. He just flipped a switch one day and became a different guy. Well, you know, what the world needs guys like him. And and too many of our of our compadres on our brethren or by the wayside. So I personally didn't want to lose him. So I'm so happy that he's doing as well as he's doing absolutely C P. What did you grow up listening to in in in South Africa? What what kind of music was on was big. There was on your radar as a kid. What was on the spin grown up? There was always ready to radio plane was always music in the house. But it was more local artists Afrikaans sorta stuff that. By any big American rock acts or British rock acts there though that really resonated. Heck Queen was quite a big, you know, Jovi right job is huge. Yeah. That's huge. Yeah. Mcgregor now than they've been in forty years. And I kinda cut my teeth on the first on the job stuff and. Doing a couple of shows with punch Lovie, by the way, you are. Really? Yeah. In Europe in I think, it's July. Oh, wow. Now, Austria talk about full circle man because everybody knows the history will your friendship with. But also the history of the early days, the New Jersey and all that. I mean, my, wow, that's really cool. That's awesome. So so you were saying see so. Yeah. Like when I grew up my brother's five years older, and he brought music from school. You know, when I was a kid, and it was lettered German pop for some reason, a ha and. Wow. Sandra? And that sort of crap grant halacha just cover take on me, by the way by for in in concert. They played they played they played it as goofed because they were in the city where that band destroyed. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where all kind of started off and then. I got introduced a skit road and everything just went wrong. Wait, you you haven't even see the start of it? Yeah. Right. Remember, something I've done an interview like this three other times. That's the first rodeo here. I wish. Are you living in the US? Now, I'm between houses. I reckon. Yeah. Put your basement UK. I spent a lot of time here in the early history of you as the singer in this band. What's been a highlight? So far, I know it's been only been two three years. And I know you're working on a record which were talk about in a second. But for you, do you have a personal highlight. I mean, maybe it's coming up opening for Bon Jovi, I would think possibly. Yeah. But but so far is definitely being the first show. It was just there's the deep end boy, jump and swim. If you can that was it. Yeah. Definitely. And what do you have favorite songs that you like singing the things that you really get into that you wanted in the or wanted to be sure that we're in the sadder personal favorites to you. They're all there. And there's there's only a lot of amount of time which we could play more. But definitely quicksand Jesus probably one of my favorite. Yeah. It's a really deep track. Yeah. Early. Get stuck in with that. Yeah. I'm still work on him and Rachel hard on the sub human race album because I love it might be my favorite skid row record. They continue to shun it. They continue to Paco minds. Contain to continue to do you like that record Zee on of them all human race? I didn't frozen and fireside and my trying to get them jog his memory, the great. So we're talk and all I hear. Remember, I can turn your mic off. No, you're obviously when you do sets the the bulk of the sets coming from the first two records, and are you doing anything beyond that at all like the the United world rebellion or I think there's great stuff on thick skin listening to fix all the time to I think we're doing ghost rate song. Great song. Born a beggar great. Which goes back those on Monday. That's just remember yet. But so so much good stuff so much no shortage of great material. And we're gonna take a break we come back on the break. Let's talk about new material. That's coming and it'll be determined. If it's great or not. It's highly suspect he considers things. There will be a new skill a long-awaited skit row record. I'm assuming coming. I know you're working right now on it. 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So far is I knew the plan was with thirty P. Or now, if you change your going to do full, it's a full length. We did we've worked with Michael Wagner, again, which has been just absolute he's been. It's it's amazing. You meet people over the course of your life. That are just they're woven into the fabric of your life. And he's that guy. He disband what he sits with us. He brings something out of all of us as individuals, and as we should before you continue. We should just tell people aren't that well versed in making records, Michael Wagner is a producer. Who did verse to skid Row Records? And did he do it a rebellion? Eat one of the. Zoe. Oh revolution for many. Which was the second record, Johnny. Okay. So this'll be this'll be return to work with him. Yeah. And it's it's a it's a different set of circumstances. Obviously Z's I record with us. So that's exciting itself. But there's just like there's been this like amazing amount of positivity in our camp for last couple years since he's join abandoned we've been doing a lot of shows we've been fortunate enough to be able to tour consistently and the writing process was in the past. It's always been really really difficult, and for some reason Rachel I just you know, it worked it worked even back in the day. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I record second Eker difficult difficult. Why? I a lot of for me. It's very frustrating for me because I have a hard time. Extracting ideas. Like, I hear something in my head or feels inside. But articulating that properly it's always been difficult. Rachel forget it like he writes lyrics and comes up with so much more fluidly than I ever have. So I'm kind of the weak link of the of the pair to be in the balance of the writing and the history of skid row with you. And Rachel writing the bulk of the material, and there's been some exceptions over the you're obviously there's certain songs of other writers or song only you or song only him. But, but basically, the balance of the partnership of the two of you guys who who generally does more the lyrics versus. He he's he's more the lyric. Yes. Without the more the music. I I you know what? Lyrics. He's he's just better at it than I am like he's just more fluid, and he just knows how to be more poetic than I am capable of. I add or critique, whatever that's what we did. We just it's a back and forth, but you've out your moments like like, I was talking last night with somebody. We're talking about about just how much I love so human race. But there's a song that submarines breaking down what you wrote yourself. And I mean, it's a brilliant song lyrics. Well, so you have those moments where that comes to you like few and far between. The thing is is our our relationship. Obviously, we're best friends, but we we realized a long time ago that there's certain things that he does really well that I don't do well and vice versa. So we complement each other and were able to create skid row. And so with this record, though, the songs a lot of them. Is sounds very cliche. But a lot of them kinda wrote themselves. We're kind of just conduit if you will sitting there in the studio at his place in Nashville, and it's just command. I don't know where this is coming from just it's happening. The most prolific would you say is Risa writing for? I don't want to say that. Because it's like putting a jinx on something before anyone's heard it. But I think I'm not saying it's good. Prolific Cape from it. Biggest well of material to pick from to make I think so it's been quite a while since again, we just got in his own two of us. And we're able to just things just flowed, and it's a very positive record lyrically and vibe wise. It's up, you know, it's like it's got a great energy about it. We've finished bass drums already on the twelve songs that are going to hopefully, make it on the record. And once once we're done with vocals and whatnot. We'll we'll see what the record will be. We may have to write more songs who knows? But right now, we're really confident about about where it's at. What was the first song? You guys ever wrote together song called telephone that never made anywhere. Not even a demo. No odd. Maybe we might demo on in Rachel's. Parents house would a eight away drum sheen because use the program eight oh, wait and four track. So yeah, there's a possibility terrible. It was terrible. Absolutely awful. What like your show? Go ahead. Sorry. He forgets you bring it so quickly that I'm probably pretty much the only one on the planet. That's going to play this year. Especially on national radio show for tastes. Exactly. Right. So when you wrote when you wrote when you guys wrote eighteen in life youth, gone wild. I remember you did you know, when you were writing those songs that they were going to become sort of career defining songs now where they just songs for the record. Okay. No. My ego wouldn't have allowed me to think that way and still it's like, you guys aren't as truth, you just hope to be able to connect someway with people. And so when when eighteen life story, connecting we were get chills because I was blood still blown away when I see people singing those words back in a live setting. I'm like, I'm like, oh my God. Like, I was privileged to be part of something that is still resonating with people thirty years later. That's an amazing humbling thing for us. I remember you nearly didn't make the record. We wrote it Rachel I wrote it and we were like all right? And if had it not been for Scotty, Sebastian Scott McGhee or former manager being a rehearsal room in Tom's river, New Jersey and to garage going. That's got to be on a record. Rachel. All right. Do we didn't see it the way everybody else saw it? And thankfully, we put it on the record. And you know, it's become, you know, obviously, a main stay in our set and something that helped like define the band. Was there a song that you wrote you guys wrote back in the day that you thought was a slam dunk and didn't become one that when you finish shit. That's going to be huge. And it just didn't connect. Breaking down. Thought I felt breaking down was was going to. I thought it was I hope they would have done better than it did which is movie, right? Wasn't a movie soundtrack profits office. Right. Christopher Walken movie again from subhuman race Z for you, you know, into this ban. Now, a couple years bunch of life shows under your belt. It's got to be really exciting for you. I would think to now be able to really put your stamp on being a part of the ban by having a record. I mean, I think that's the real sort of sign that somebody's really made their Mark in a band. Yes. You can do all the life shows you want. But then you've got a piece of the catalog where you're actually on record. So for you. This has got to be an exciting time. Only dude as a kid we I'm going to be on the skid row rag. How many people can say that over the moon? I couldn't be happier. And if you got have you been brought into the process yet in terms of whatever. Oh, yeah. No. He's he's contributed to the songwriting as well. So wow. Okay. Yeah. It's been we've contrary to popular belief. We've always had a very open policy about songs. Best idea wins, regardless of where they come from. So other people could say what they wanna say about that process past and present members, but that's the truth best idea wins. And so we're we had this one track. It's it's almost eight minutes long believe it or not for us. That's that's crazy prog. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Run the wrong cruise. Right. Exactly. So, but and Z contribute to that. A lot of the lyrics and melodies and stuff like that as well. So the target target date for the record. I think this year, I hope so. All right, cool. All right. Listen, I've got about literally four five minutes before the show right to the second. Anybody got a question for the guys come on? Jay, great shirt draw the line shirt on. Great. I'm Jay exit three. Yes. Good, man. Thanks for a lot of your efforts. We've enjoyed usually should ask this out at the Cuna. But I asked you what state in the United States has the greatest ball busters. What would you say jersey question? Okay. Question about. The only state utilized jerk off. Jersey, right. Yes. Along those lines. We'll tell you a story that happened very recently snaking, I as I was saying last night, we were drinking hanging out. I said, I literally don't stay snake. Well, over thirty years, we grew up not far from each other. I saw skid row before Sebastian was in the in the clubs. I saw these songs being you know, Matt Fallon say studio one all that all the day's remember when they got signed everything. And so we've got this history. He's always been this. I mean, this has total compliment he's always been the same dickhead. Weather. On MTV every two seconds or whether he was broke playing a club. He's always been the same idiot. That's true. And and we were I'll never forget this for those that don't know snake. Also is believe it or not despite appearances actually successful manager. He manages artists through McGee entertainment, and I was when snakes and management mode. He'll wear like a button down. Real. So I'm I'm at siriusxm headquarters in New York. And I'm doing my show this I'm I'm sitting in the studio, and I'm interviewing Taylor Mommsen from the pretty reckless, and she doesn't know anything about she's even know who shouldn't even realize who he was. But I'm in there. And I'm in the middle of this pretty intense. I forget we're getting into some heavy subject matter, and we're talking and I have no idea he's even in the building. And then all of a sudden in the middle of conversation like a blur. He comes running through while we're live on the air. Punches me hardest. How right in the shoulder turns around and runs back out of the studio. And she, you know, she's like thirty years younger than us. And she just looks. She goes, whoa. What was that? She goes that looked like some sort of like, really weird friendship or something or something like that. And I was like pretty much was that's how we express ourselves. I yelled into your mic, like you're listening to you on a radio is like sniffing, really bad fart. Yeah. Yeah. Ran out. And then just held on my shoulder with the look of her. She was horrified like security like what just happened because it was in and out like that. It was amazing. If you ever see there's an old skid row. Video was it. Roadkill guys are in the airports, and you're. Well, it's it's never ending hijinks. Catching any of that is the new guy in the band on dishing out? Look for you. I had to figure out is very quick ITO beaten meeting. Oh, my. You may want to invest in an athletic Cup too. Because they've been doing. On your outlook any other which are no fun at all. All right. Well, listen, we gotta end on the second here on time. So I appreciate you guys. You're by I'm looking forward to seeing you sing for the first time. And it's thanks. Great songs. Can't wait to hear him one of my favorite bands. Everybody knows that skid row, and they'll be performing tonight on the monsters of rock cruise. Hey, it's Eddie trunk and this is the trunk podcast in. That was snake in z p from skid row from the monsters of rock cruise this past February good to visit with those guys. Good to meet z p. And of course, always great to bus some chops and talk to my old friend snake Sabo of skid row. Take a break. We'll come back interview. Number two on this week's any trunk podcast. Is with Glenn Hughes newer interview, talking about his current touring playing deep purple and some other stuff you'll find interesting as well, Glenn is up next on the trunk podcast. Gassed? Hey, if you like my show checkout to producers guide Todd garner and the Hollywood elite on podcast one. And this summer things are heating up as Todd sits down with podcast, darling. Anna Farris and the director of the ventures endgame Joe Russo download new episodes of the producers guide every week on apple podcasts. And of course, podcast one. This is the Eddie trunk podcast. Welcome back any trunk here. As promised Glenn Hughes took some time out to give me a call a couple of weeks ago as he was getting ready to do some US dates for the current touring. He is doing still doing the all deep purple show a phenomenal show if you had a chance to see it I have, and it's really pretty amazing. So Glenn wanted to call in with a little bit of an update. And here is what he had to say. He is a rock and Roll Hall of Famer, Mr. Glenn Hughes. How are you? Glenn on great hope everyone out spending wonderful very sunny day in New York. You are on Long Island. You're playing the paramount in Huntington tonight, I've never been there. But I hear it's a great venue. Everybody tells played California tweet about four or five years ago. I'm looking at someone Eddie, I'm very good. Glenn busiest. Hell like you. You know in a million directions. Like, I know you are as well. But no complaints when you're living the dream plane rock and roll, right? You know, crazy that. I think I'm busy now than I've ever been made is seventy key. But I've never been done. Visit really playful that he's incurring. How do you feel healthwise? I mean, you've been through a lot. Everybody knows you at heart surgery human you've been through a lot. And I saw you play last summer and it was stunning. And you look and sound as good as ever and I'm saying that sincerely. But how do you feel Glenn? How's your health everything? Good. You know, get my sleep been a lot of war. What's the Kathy exercise read books points? A twin say has called me many possible for someone like both pills. So I just twin and and say calm as possible to get again. Honestly. Yeah. That's what they tell you. What about why why is the caffeine is that because of the heart issue that you had to stay off of that? I you know, I felt for his stuff red bulls in the months to stuff. He's just me. I'm a lightweight regarding caffeine. So I just Kendrick keping after eleven o'clock in the morning. So, but that's really no issue for me. I'm just an a place in my life. Now at the very old where I'm going. And obviously about from from so all in a living in this moment is president. He's care about this moment right now. Hey, going are you a little off the phone because you sound a little distant as far as the phone is are you on a speaker, something, no? Yeah. Because we want to hear you a little bit better. If we can. Yeah. That'd be a little bit sounds a little better up. Yeah. Way way better. Thank you. So so all is good. And you're out still doing what you've been doing now for a little bit. Which is the deep purple stuff. Right. Yeah. You know, like I want to reach wait what Tokyo last year Eddie when we go to find three years ago this last month. I post all kinds of office and stuff to do that. Like, you see that? I did in the seventies. You know, I've never done a complete depot show before. And I thought he wouldn't be that much of a stretch to out a few extra Soames to do. And you know, the opportunity to travel around the world for the last almost two years now doing this show. And it's, you know, an amazing event for me to do and like its own of the legacy that I did back in the seventies. It is an incredible show. It's unbelievable. How great the band is. How great you are singing it playing it. I cannot recommend it more highly having seen it myself. And I gotta ask you along those lines since you're still doing the purple thing. Of course, the time you were in deep purple you were in the band with David Coverdale as well. And I just saw David recently. And I'm going to see him on Thursday. And I know you guys are still very close. David David make some news recently where he made some statements about you and him being inducted into the rock and Roll Hall of fame with purple and now he was not necessarily made to feel comfortable or welcoming environment. Can you speak on that? How how was it for you? I think in general most people a lot of people know, India's, maybe I think maybe some fun. You know that this this no relate like don't have a relationship with anyone else in. That's all although we did work with John Lewis Indian pace. We just don't have relationship. It's very difficult to being a bun with someone when you're nearly twin is all laid almost beauty converse. No doubt. So David had to sit down. And do, you know something we're gonna go get a war going to sit table and fun foamy, cheap, terrific, Sheryl Crowe? And Chicago at the end of the show. I really, you know is disappointing event. Most of those because it didn't feel a family, and as we all know out that people listen to this lovely show a lot of from the sixties and seventies and eighties. That'll retold to anyway. But he was so obvious that ninety his strange, but I will through it. Go wrong with it and David had a lot of fun, and we all very close. And I love them to pieces. So did you not have any interaction with the those other guys at all was there? A did you acknowledge each other was there anything? I you know, me I'll put my hand out into that. That's a that's why I've always done. There was a lack of communication. There was no it was very I know this is good copy at. Yeah. Know people probably loving to hear this stuff. The potato. I was a little bit. It was been heinous. I just thought it was very inappropriate. We're all in this stage as druthers I didn't feel a sense of summer, Audrey. I felt more closer to loss than anyone else. But again, David annoy accepted won't be Grayson, but very very excited by. What do you think that's about Glen? Do you just think it's you know, I I know that you don't ever relationship there anymore. But do you just think that it's about well, you guys are different era or I mean, obviously, it was a different lineup. But he and paces there he was in the band with you. I mean, you guys at that time. What do you think is at the core of that is a business thing is an ego thing? What do you think it is? I think a core of all the things you mentioned nothing gets business. I think it's personal. I think it's. I don't you know, I have scratching my head news and years ago asking that same question, I think it affected David little more than. So I don't know. He was very we won't sing with them. You know? And I think he spoke if he called England up I said, well, good luck didn't bother me. What so ever canoe full shape was going to sing at the end of the show. So we got to look for every couple small one two three four. I think everybody would have to burn. And you know, the fact is that I knew going into it. And you wouldn't happen. David on the let me in killing. Did Colin and I it didn't go. Well. So I only want to wish all men deep purple past present the very very desolate. Come from me. I have no fuss. I just had David on the show the other day, and I'm going to see him in Florida and a couple of days and the other thing that David is in a mode in his life. It seems where he really wants to. And I guess this comes with being older bury the hatchet with anyone. He had issues with just you know, wants to connect with everyone again. And to that end, you know, he said he's been trying to have in reaching out and having some dialogue with with Blackmore or his wife, and or his wife have you any dialogue with Ritchie and all you. And I haven't spoken about oh, maybe we have just gotten two years ago two years ago. I got a call from one of asking me if I'd like to be caught of what was now called rainbow as a singer. And I thought about it must be really great connected which have lunch with him on Long Island plane fly out, and I I'm saying this love and respect. I got a call the night before I was in high. This would have been eighteen months ago. And and. Said that a new single would be Rony Romero. And would I like to join the to say? You know, a background singing vice play on always sit to myself. Let me have one second thing about that. Look, you know, anyone wish Michio Lavori best all fun, but I have to decline that offer. Because I am thinking, I she know. I mean, come along way in the last four years to get where I am now is a singer. And I only feel comfortable doing what I think is appropriate. Again, I would have looked to done to hand with Ritchie and have some fun with a lot of fun here. Not. But it wasn't meant to be. So I don't I see no no one really get speak to cheat. I think they all speak, Carol. I have no almost any of the company to rainbow. But only one wish him only the very best. Let's talk about what you got going on. So you're playing in the at the paramount tonight, which is on Long Island. You've done you've been all over the world doing this deep purple show. And I'm looking at your dates your past dates and your your upcoming dates you've literally taken this all over the world. You have a stellar band that plays it with you? Again, I've seen it. And and your your voice is stunning as ever what is the reaction been? What did the highlights for? You Glen to revisit this material and to take it around the world like you just have. Well, I know, you know, this is a fact because any anytime from seven she's still going or anyone from still able to get up there. And do what they do. He'll she I look in the audience, and I see people of funds follow. Hey, flows of my age, then I see their kids, and there will be plenty mixed city on playing or you know in in Morgantown or Taiwan. And they're they're all singing the woods. All these teenage this thing in my words, you know. Oh my God. It's so overwhelming to see the audience in any country singing the songs, they may not speaking we can sing meaningless. So I'm overwhelmed with the fact that people come into see this, man. She's me do the legacies that created over those years ago. I'm humbled by it for breakfast. And it's almost like. I don't wanna stop this train is moving so quickly. But I have to censor myself. But enjoy it. I don't wanna think about some RO show or on thinking about is to night in Huntington of the comment. I can't wait to get there. Well, you're at the hunting. You're the paramount. Then you're at the Wall Street theater, Norwalk Connecticut, and that is tomorrow to shows that less Paul's legendary club, the rhythm in New York. That's coming up the twenty sixth and twenty seventh a very small intimate venue, which amazing to see you there. Eddie ammo gonna get my nice region. Then you go. Hi, oh, the empire theater. I'm looking at your website, Fort, Wayne, Indiana, the CLYDE theater and the Arcata theatre Saint Charles, Illinois, just outside Chicago. Then you've got Michigan. And then you're going go into your native land, you're going to the town. That's pretty much sold out. So a lot of these events are sold out selling out creek now. So, you know, again, I'm would Eddie I'm working my last show is. Funny. My last show in how how do we in Moscow? And then I'm going to no, I'm wrong. Again, this another English to happening at the end of November. So November twenty I'll be twenty nine I'll be sending home to LA where I'm gonna take them off. Can you believe I'm on the road from nine months again this year? How wonderful is that? You can find out all the information at Glenn Hughes dot com and find out if where Glenn is in the world where you get an opportunity to see him. And you know, what Glenn I got word on something you're already doing in twenty twenty which I've done and really enjoy. I'm sure I'll be a part of again. And that is the what's called the on the blue cruise which is with Justin Hayward. And that and that that's you're already booked on a cruise for twenty twenty enjoy doing a cruise. Yes. I see less you, you know, and just really the friend of mine thirty one Eddie, you know, this whole signed the moody boots label official in the seventies. Trapeze so of known just in for ever loving piece is not an opportunity to join this this cruise and do what I do. And I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. That's going out April one through eight of twenty twenty on the blue crew's headline by Justin Hayward, and and actually John lodge produce trap. He's. Right. He did. I recommend. I your veterans. Yeah. Well. Really good friends of mine who can imagine bond. Anybody could bring an unknown from from coal trapeze from the UK to Los Angeles and undo some shows about an album being out. He's incredible. So Glen when you're done doing this run of of these dates this year's doing the purple set that you're doing what are you plan to do beyond that are you going to continue doing purple or you're gonna change other solo album? What what are you thinking? I'm not sure about reporting to sell 'em right now. But I am going to do something else. Calendar. He's coming for me. I'll share would you little agent in Europe. Eddie, we'll come to you know, I always do that. But I will be doing the deep legacy show whenever I can. I just need brakes into this. It'd be to tune us full months of constant touring Anita. I need a breather. So, but I think of the things in the pipeline. I'm really excited about a challenge for me. I love a good challenge. And of course, he did a black country communion record. You did BCC four another record in the pipeline with that band you'd like to do. I spoke to Jason soda looks at Derek. And Joe that's probably about us. Ability doing more. Whether it's we know we're going to record an album of we're gonna play law. That's my home. You know, look Hetty, we'll note BCC's on rituals petitioning credible band. Or I wanted to do was this form of Joe facing and play these songs, it's been typical. I'm not upset for resentful over that. But I'm so done busy. Now. I'm just hoping we can get a window of opportunity to do what we do. Yeah. Everybody has so many different things going on at the same time. But it would be great. If you guys could make a make a carve out a month or something to be able to do a run a show because I've seen BCC live in it is it is also incredible. In the great to get people chance to take that out on the road and see it one more time. I just love. I just love all these guys in this. I mean Joe's pretty good family him so much and of Jason's he was in. Come down. I was staying Jones house in nineteen seventy to come down to says, I'm here. Jason. Unbelievable. Yeah. And of course, he's out there playing with Sammy Hagar now. And you know, I'll be seeing him soon as well. And he's seven a lot of fun doing that. I know one last thing I want to ask you going because I have when people ask me and we talk about singers. And I don't you know, I'll never forget. Kevin, Shirley, I think it was made a great point. He said, you know, so many people talk about Glenn's voice because it's so stunning that sometimes his his bass playing which is also phenomenal gets overlooked. Interestingly enough, you you you were on Joe saturation his last record and only play bass, not crazy. And when I when I had Joe on I said, how do you have gone us on your record and not at least sing a song? And he said everybody asked me that he goes. And that's exactly why didn't do it because everyone would have expected that because I wanted to show Kate Glenn's Glenn's showcase glints playing. I'll make it brief. Old time making the album, coding Soames. We coding live. Go to Jones say don't you feel vocal in there? Every song. I'm like don't you hear inflection on vocal there? But it was it was fun. I'd do it again. I just love playing basis. You know, everybody knows about my focus. But the only thing is I just love playing based on really. Joan. Yeah. So so what am I point was that whenever whenever we talk about singers? And the guys as they get older who's good still who who lost something. I mean, you're the benchmark. I mean, and I have no problem saying that you are the benchmark anybody that knows anything those you are the benchmark for greatness in singing. It's it's it is there's no other word for it. But stunning what you do. And we still got ask you a quick thing though, have you ever seen or heard or do, you know of the singer by the name of j Buchanan from the band, right? Son's close friend of mine, and I love what you're saying about him on the bond. I had my own show, you know, in in London plenty about seven years ago. And I remember meeting giant Scott associate party, John eight in Hollywood, I met these kids I'm thinking, I look like welcome owes. They hundred me out and called pressure on can you play. Yeah. Let me I didn't even listen to just put it on. And I'm going what is this? Of course, all these two very close friends that they caught producing them as you know. And he produced me when you have a look the fine. I think they all the great Joan talented ban in America for Schuur. And I only one of wish them all that follow. It was gr- just if you don't know who they often cut cold survival barrows one of the best because of in the last ten years old how it's you. And thank you so much for being so kind. Fundy? Well, I agree with everything you just said. And that's the only reason why do it because I feel that strongly, but I just saw them live and watching Jay Singh. He is the only guy of ever seen that has a power similar to yours. I mean, he has the mic down, by his way and vocal is ridiculous. And I'm like. This this guy Glenn Hughes? It's like, I mean, you guys have different ranges to your voice. But it's remarkable watching him sing just like it is watching you sing. Of course, you've got some years on them, which makes what you do even more insane. But it's just stunning to watch guys. Do what they do like that fucking shed this. Okay sends but he's very very, decent spiritual. I'm walking the same. We do we do about this. I just love the way he's chosen to what all those years ago. I was on nut passing fan now. But I just I just cooked up and chase them wonderful young guy. You know? Well, my thanks to Glenn Hughes right there and earlier in the podcast, my tizzy P and snake from skid row. Appreciate you. Guys, listening to the to the Eddie trunk podcast. It's new every Thursday, always free podcast, one dot com or items and be sure to check out my daily radio show if you live in the US and Canada on. 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When Science Is Partisan
"I'm Michelle Goldberg. Frank Bruni and this is the argument before we start. Michelle and I want to congratulate Ross. On the newest member of his family. He posted a picture of baby rosemary on twitter. A totally adorable. You can take a look for yourself. Ross's twitter handle is at Dow and Y T THAT'S D. O. U. T. h. At and T. Okay on with the show room. Ross is still out on leave this week but you eleven is joining us to talk about fake news real facts and what both mean for public health. People tend to think that the expert is just a person with information. And so now information's available anywhere so anybody can be an expert but an expert is a person with experience from the very start of his administration. President trump has shrugged off expertise. He's outright mocked experts and he has shown special disregard for science even more dangerous. He is frequently presented fiction as fact now that habit is front and center and it has greater stakes than ever see the disinfectant. Nazi out in a minute. One Minute and is there a way we can do? Something like that By injection inside or or almost cleaning how can a president who dabbles in junk science guide US through a public health crisis of this magnitude Yuval? Levin is here to help answer that. Michelle and I invited him. Because he's one of the most thoughtful cool-headed Conservatives writing about government today he also has experience working in the house under president. George W Bush. You've L was a member of the domestic policy staff and the executive director of the President's Council on Bioethics. He's plenty critical of the trump administration. But it's failures. Don't rile him at least not as obviously as they do. Michelle on me. You've you've studied the federal government's response to this pandemic. Does it reflect and incorporate a sufficient regard for science. Well I think the first thing to keep in mind in in assessing the response we've seen so far is that this is after all a massive global crisis that came on suddenly that surprised everybody including the experts so there was bound to be some period in which our government was just overwhelmed and bumbling this is a bigger crisis than any that was faced by the the last couple of presidential administrations and some problems like the testing fiasco that resulted from mishandling by the FDA in the CDC could easily happen in any administration. I do think there is a more significant problem in this administration's response that I would describe not as a technical or logistical failure. But as a kind of decisional dysfunction a continuing inability to build a coherent structure of decision-making around the president and to enable the federal government to handle enormous strain of this crisis and that does have to do with President Trump. Just thinking out loud and living in the news cycle rather than in the kind of logistical cycle that the government has to live in now so there are days when he listens to the people around him and his advisors inside and out of government. There are days when he just repeats things that he heard on knows. Where and the real trouble when you think about this. In the context of executive crisis management in our in our history is that there's not a consistent coherent strategy. That's in part a problem of not listening to experts. But it's mostly a total lack of focus that has just been absolutely disabling for our for our federal government. Michelle is that too generous. And maybe a bit too cool-headed yes. I think it's way too generous. I mean I think there's two parts to this radio. You've obviously right that you know. This has blindsided governments all over the world right governments. I would consider admirable governments. I would consider despicable have both been In some cases seeing their societies disabled by Corona virus and there are countries in Europe that have higher death rates per capita although not higher death rates. Total than ours. Do I think the difference between say Italy and Spain is that we had the opportunity to see what happened in Italy and Spain and use the time between It kind of reaching that level in America to to to to take precautions to speed up production of p. p. e. and ventilators and you know kind of call social distancing the way they did on the West Coast and you know and raval to really head off some of the worst carnage that we're seeing on the east coast. And so I think in terms of trump's personal culpability it's threefold right. I there these. There's this story in the Washington Post about. Us intelligence agencies issuing multiple warnings in classified briefings in January and February. He also has you know kind of systematically purged the government of responsible professionals right so we saw the removal of the person who's basically in charge of the American vaccine effort in the federal government was reportedly removed because he questioned the president's fixation on hydroxy chloroquine which tests have now shown that this official was right to question and then the third part is that he kinda keeps giving these demagogic fact. Free WILDLY RADIC PRESS CONFERENCES. That all of us can kind of be sophisticated about it and say yes. We used to a president who lies and talks out loud and you know floats weird musings. Nobody takes him seriously but actually people in this country do take him seriously. And that's not out of the realm of possibility that there are people in this country who watch television and think that the president of the United States wooden just randomly say something and must at least no no something of what he's talking about. You know your your point that the any government is going to be overwhelmed by this. And the edit no government despite in reading papers or getting briefings is GonNa totally expect this to happen when it comes. That's an important one but Michelle notes and this has been noted many places and I've never seen a compelling contradiction of that. Trump has gutted federal agencies that he has certainly sent the signal with whom he has chosen and whom he's discarded That he doesn't have much regard for expertise that he's not someone who cares greatly for science. Aren't those chickens coming home to roost right now? Oh absolutely I think. That's an element of what's going on here. And in both in terms of attitude toward expertise but also as a matter of just feeling federal offices. I mean the fact is this. Administration's had a very unusual number of either vacant in important of offices throughout the bureaucracy or people who are filling offices as acting directors of this or that when there ought to be a Senate confirmed appointee and that kind of thing matters in a moment like this so in a moment of crisis is when you have to have a reliable chain of command. People have to have confidence that the process that they're called on to be part of make sense and that Scott to be built in good time so that it can serve you in bad times. I think there's no question that this administration has failed to build a functional chain of command around the president. Very senior officials have spent their time deciding on their own which which orders to take seriously in which not. We've seen evidence of this over and over in different parts of the government and that just can't happen in a crisis like this where you can't have people making different decisions in different places in the government in crisis we really do call on the president to do two things in particular to to coordinate federal action and to communicate to the public the nature of the strategy and Reasons to be calm while it's going on and this president obviously is not done either of those things so I think we've suffered uniquely because of failures of leadership here but I would only say it's important to put that in perspective. There are ways that the United States has done better than Than than some European countries are health system has done better on the whole federalism served as well. They're certainly ways. We've done worse than I think. A lot of those have to do with leadership at the very top of the federal government. But what I don't understand is sort of how you can concede leadership failures on that scale and then still. I don't know minimize alarm about this presidency. Except maybe out of kind of temperamental. Anti Anti trumpism. Yeah I don't minimize alarm I'm I'm a critic of trump or have been from the beginning from before the beginning so I I certainly wouldn't suggest that there's not reason to be alarmed here. I would just say that our system is bigger than the president. And that on the whole if you look at the system as a whole again our health system if you look at how governors have reacted and that is a function of the way. Our Constitution is designed. We have ways of handling problems even when the president is failing. But I certainly wouldn't deny that the president's failing do you do have governors who've responded really admirably but all of them have been pretty clear that there are certain things that it's very difficult for them to that yes they can procure some of their own equipment but it puts them in a position of competing against each other and bidding up the prices. And so you know federalism has been maybe a backstop for a totally failed federal response. But I don't see how even the the most kind of I don't know. Avid proponent of states' rights could see that this should be you know that kind of testing and the procurement of some of this equipment and a coordinated response should be the responsibility of governors. Yeah I couple of things first of all public health. As a general matter is the responsibility of the states but obviously there's a huge role here for the federal and in a lot of ways it has failed now. I wouldn't discount the enormously important work that a lot of men and women in a lot of different places in the federal government have been doing well in this process. They have been disturbed by the president and so important ways. But we've seen incredible mobilization in response to an early failure on testing for example. And that matters. I mean I. It's taken too long. It was too hard to do. I just the reason I stress at the outset that this really is a massive crisis in this actually is the big one that that everyone in public health has always been preparing for but somehow never quite believed was really coming and that means that our government was going to be overwhelmed. Whatever happened here. The chat. The question is not was our was our government ready. The question is have we responded and mobilize since then in the way that we should have the answer to that in a lot of ways at the federal level is no and there's no question that the president has had a lot to do with that but we should also see that there are some impressive ways that the American federal government and certainly the states have have responded impressively. And we're getting our act together. You know the public did react. I I would say I've been surprised that the willingness of the American public to basically shut things down the way we have in the course of a couple of weeks. I think we're now in the course of the next few weeks going to start gradually reopening things and I would just. I'm overly influenced by my own experience working in White House and working on some issues like this on a much smaller scale. I think pandemonium in response to a crisis. This massive is unavoidable. The question is how do you mobilize and we are mobilizing despite some some enormous problems at the time you know you have written that the way we recover from this will hinge in great measure on the rapid development of treatments and that science. That's research do. You really have confidence that the climate exists right now. The climate established in large measure by the trump administration and by the president that the climate exists to facilitate and speed that research as much as we would want it to be when we have a president who called climate change a hoax who wondered about windmills causing cancer. Is that really a situation in which we are going to get the best fastest from the world of science well look. I certainly wish he hadn't done all those things in them. Some but I think that the American biomedical enterprise which is an academic and government and private sector. Enterprise is rising to this challenge in some impressive ways. I think there needs to be more urgency on the part of the federal government and that's Congress and the president in pushing four treatments for the worst cases here because that's the only real near term way out vaccine will be great when it comes. But that's a long way off and I would say we haven't seen the necessary urgency at Congress asked another bill Just last week that patched some of the problems in the Care Zach and did not focus on treatment and the way they might have did not empower the NIH in the way they might have in some ways. We're lucky here. I think the National Institutes of health is extraordinarily. Well run institution in this moment. It's leadership at serving it very well but they need resources and that means Congress and the president of gotta be ahead of the curve. That can't be responding to problems that they failed to address two weeks ago all the time they have to be thinking about what we're going to need in the coming months and so far that is not happening. Michelle has congress as culpable as the president. So look. There's I think there's a lot of priorities that Congress should be funding and that they aren't. I think that to some extent. Democrats have been really hamstrung by the fact that things that should be consensus positions like more money for testing or more money for hospitals have been treated by Republicans in Congress as concessions that Democrats have to rang out of them in exchange for a bill by. I'm not sure that you can blame the House of Representatives for having to deal with the you know kind of total obstructionist nihilism Mitch McConnell in terms of the just the federal government. I think. Obviously you've always right that there's a lot of important. An admirable work happening on the kind of professional level out of sight of the political wrangling. But I do think that it seems pretty clear that there was a directive from above again in terms of treatments to focus on hydroxy chloroquine because it was recommended by the medical experts on Fox News. And I don't know that we totally know the extent to which those directives have Deformed research priorities. There's obviously been massive investments in just buying up hydroxy chloroquine and it's not clear that all of those pills are now to be useful. And so I just. I don't know the full picture of the opportunity cost of the federal government being directed to this fixation of trump's at the expense of other things. I keep going back in my head to the images of Dr Burks and Dr Couch. -I at those briefings. Not just because they're the generator of all sorts of Internet. You know twitter gifts and memes and stuff but when I watched them do that tightrope walk. You know where they have to try to give good information but not try to correct or contradict the president. I mean it seems almost impossible to find the right language for them and I think if this is what it means to advise this president if this is the way in which the people around him feel. Hamstrung and feel gagged. I don't know how he can be a president who leads us effectively and as quickly as possible out of this Tony found. She has a real job and it's an important job right now. It's one of the most important jobs in our government and has to spend an enormous amount of his time both preparing four and actually going through those kind of bizarre public spectacles. Robert Redfield is at these press conferences. A LOT HE WORKS IN ATLANTA. He runs the agency that is in charge of responding to this pandemic on behalf of our country. It is bizarre that they have to spend this much time. Basically soothing the president's EGO public you've al. Tony vouches been on my radar for decades. Because way back in the day I wrote about AIDS and he was very involved in the response to that and yesterday I was doing a long interview with Laurie. Garrett she wrote the book the coming plague and then she wrote a book called betrayal of trust. And if any one was a Cassandra of this crisis. It's Laurie Garrett and I was asking her since she did predict that we would be in a moment somewhat like this at some point given all the failures of society and the things that we were not preparing for. I asked her what surprised her about this moment since she predicted. So much else and she said it was the way in which our federal government had been depopulated gutted to an extent where could not be ready for this and she reminded me going back to the AIDS crisis that back then you heard experts from the CDC you saw experts from the CDC the CDC initials the CDC logo were a part of your consciousness because it was such a robust organization and it was so centrally involved. That's not the case now and we're paying a really steep price for it are we not. I think it's absolutely right. And and and you know part of it is in some ways. The the political leadership of these organizations appointed leadership is trying to protect some of the career officials from getting caught up in the daily circus. Which means they end up being less visible less involved less engaged. I work with factory back in two thousand and five and six I was. I was a health policy staffer in the Bush White House and we actually went through a whole process of of pandemic preparedness The literally the president had read a book about the nineteen eighteen flu and came back from Texas saying we need to think about what we would do if this happened now and we went through a two year process where we basically thought through how the president. How would the government respond to a pandemic influenza and Tony? Factory obviously was read at the center of those efforts and it was very striking. How his his level of experience the calm and the knowledge that he built up over decades would be so crucial in any response. And I think it's very hard now for him to deploy that experience that authority because he spent so much of his time again trying to Plays Part in the circus so that he can do job the rest of the tenant you fell. Michelle said if a Democratic president behaving this way. We're leading the crisis. This way. Every Republican would be calling for his or her resignation. Do you agree with that? I'm not sure I don't know if calling for resignation. Something you'd see very often I mean I think we would've seen it just given the atmosphere of the last few years. If Hillary Clinton had been elected probably would have seen some kind of impeachment process as we have seen around trump but in a crisis like this. I don't know it's very hard to say how people would have been responding. I'm GonNa make your little uncomfortable here you've out. Would you feel more secure right? Now is an American in this pandemic with Clinton as president. Now that does make me uncomfortable. I think in this case I would. There would have been a lot that I would disagree with the with a president. Hillary Clinton about and there's some that I disagree with the President Donald Trump I. I didn't have anybody to vote for last time. It doesn't seem like I will this time and I certainly think there are a lot of ways in which almost anybody who could plausibly have been president would be doing a better job now because president trump sense of what the presidency is is so perform live is so rooted in his own background as a kind of reality television figure. He's the first of our president who has not been either a senior military officer or a high ranking elected or other official in our government before becoming president. And you know we've been lucky that we haven't had a crisis like this that has called on that level of experience in the past few years but here we are now we do and it shows that that extends not there M- okay. Let's take a break when we come back is this just what happens when science becomes partisan. I'm Donald Jim McNeil Junior. I'm a science and health reporter for the New York Times when pandemics come along. It's my job to cover them. We've been doing this at the New York Times since eighteen sixty one. We covered the nineteen eighteen Spanish influenza. We are now facing a serious outbreak of disease. And we're going to keep covering it accurately as we can. We kept living the paper in nineteen eighteen. We'll keep delivering the news now but we need subscribers to keep up this kind of work please go to NY TIMES DOT COM slash subscribe beyond the president's disregard for Science. There's the arguably bigger problem of science literacy in this country does it. Even exist can an uninformed public. Tell the difference between information and Misinformation Michelle. How much does that concern you? Well tremendously and it's concerned me for a long time right. It's obviously a huge problem. In terms of climate change in terms of you know all sorts of health and safety regulations. And I think you've seen the kind of grim results of it in both in all sorts of ways right in the weird nihilism about the viruses danger and I say weird because it comes from you know some sectors of the right that have been most concerned about a culture of life about kind of liberalism tendency towards eugenics have now basically taken the position that there are more important things in society than protecting the week you know particularly the health of the economy. And so you've just seen the extent to which political polarization trumps everything even concern for your own constituents and the lives of your own voters I think you see some of the people who are at these reopened protests which Leo. Let's be clear are still a kind of fringe group and in some ways. I wish that they hadn't been treated as such kind of manifestation of the popular will right But you see a lot of them saying that if there is a vaccine they won't take it right because there's this ven diagram overlap between people who don't believe that the corona viruses that dangerous and people who believe that basic vaccines are dangerous and so that could end up being a problem when we need to get very quickly if there is a vaccine. We're going to need to get very quickly to herd immunity if you have a lot of axiom. Denial ISM and you know to be clear. You've got you've got vaccine. Denial on the left to. But I think it's more marginalized at least within left wing politics right. Yeah well look I think that the the the basic question of science literacy is a problem is a concern as Michelle. Says you see it? In some ways on the margins of both political parties or both sides of our policy left has some blind spots on science sometimes around. It's always vaccinations. Maybe around nuclear energy in some ways even around abortion. The right has some of these blind spots especially around environmental issues. But it seems to me what we're seeing here as more to do with kind of resentment of expertise that also has very deep roots in American life where people view experts as trying to exercise power over them rather than as applying knowledge to addressing social problems and again. There's a certain kind of post modern version of that on the left. But there's a more populist and and broader form of it on the right and you know we're we're seeing that play out. I mean it is marginal if you look at the polls. Most Republicans support the restrictions that they're living under now and social distancing and the rest of it large majorities certainly even larger majorities of Democrats support them. These these protests represent at this point at least a very narrow sliver of the public But it's their part of the public debate and I think as we move into a phase of starting to gradually lift restrictions in different places Will probably see these kinds of arguments even more on the surface. I was talking to somebody recently. From Edelman you know the Public Opinion Agency that does these trust. Barometers were measure people's trusts Across different countries and different institutions and the United. One of their points is that the United States is a low trust country but one of the things that that this guy said to me when I was talking to him about public trust in the context of crooner viruses that you know upper middle class people tend to have more trust in institutions because institutions. They understand the better and they worked better for them and you know whereas You know people who only kind of interfaces with Baroque rats are hostile and frustrating. Have much less trust in public institutions? There's also a way that pandemics in particular epidemics bring out a certain kind of conspiracy mindedness whether that's the the antisemitism that rose up around the black death in Europe or the oral stories about yellow fever and Philadelphia in the seventeen ninety s where really prominent physicians persuaded the public. That people of African descent were immune to yellow fever and so they were sent out to do all the old horrible work and of course they were not immune and and there was just immense human suffering around this this the moment of an epidemic tends to bring out the worst in a society's underlying attitudes and conspiracy has always been a part of that and a moment like this is just bound to bring them out but there's a there's a dynamic were not mentioning especially relevant when you say conspiracy theories. We're not mentioning the disgorge of the Internet right. I mean you can't. You can't separate resentment of expertise from the degree to which everyone now feels that he or she is his or her own expert. You know they go out they click. They can find the information they want. It's usually the exact answer. They've been looking for that validates what they already thought. But I feel like we can't talk about any of this stuff the polarization the partisanship the resentment of expertise unless we reckon with what the and social media have done to fracture people to use the word from your book title. You've outright the fractured republic. You got into this. They're right what the Internet has done to us. Yeah you know. It's interesting because one of the things that brings out is a kind of misunderstanding of the nature of expertise where people tend to think that the expert is just a person with information. And so now information's available anywhere and so anybody can be an expert but an expert is a person with experience and what you find in people like Tony Voucher. Deborah Brooks people with decades of experience making decisions in crises. Like this and they have a sense of kind of knack for how things go. That kind of experience is really what expertise brings to the table. It can't be replaced by Google search but when we failed to have an appreciation of what it is that they offer decision makers what they offer the larger society then we tend to think. Well now I know I can look it up and so I know better than you and I understand what this model says and and you know you get people who become kind of amateur epidemiologists arguing with one another over the dinner table but do we not have right now. President Google Search. I mean. Isn't he modeling and encouraging that very behavior. How many times have we heard? President trump say someone said or they sailor. I heard I mean he's he's he's the model of I actually think president. Google search is a little bit optimistic. We have liked president comic right. We have president four Chan. What can we do to get back to a place where there is more respect for actual knowledge for proven expertise for science? Look I mean. Look the only way that you get there. Politically is to vote for Democrats. I mean that's just a photo right. You're that is if you have a democratic administration you're going to have an administration that respects Science expertise because respect for science and expertise has become a matter of partisan polarization I don't think anyone has the answer to sort of how you tame the epistemological chaos that the Internet and kind of social fracturing has brought us but maybe another part will be greater respect for scientists greater respect for doctors. You'VE L. This resentment of expertise polarization of science. How much of that is a failure of public education? And what kind of role might public education be able to play to repair it well? I think there's an element of it. That's about education but it seems to me to be in particular a collapse of our political culture. A sense that what happens in our politics just isn't very serious and it seems to me that there's not the solution to that isn't simply to say as As former Vice President Biden said this week that if he's elected then the science will settle questions. I actually don't think that's quite right as an understanding of the president's job the president has to take advice from all kinds of directions from all kinds of areas from all kinds of experts in a case like this you would have to hear the scientists and take them seriously. You'd also have to hear people who express concerns and offer facts about the state of the economy and you have to make trade offs. It's an extremely difficult job. And you know the the the solution to the kind of frivolity that we see now in the president's attitude toward his job isn't just about science. It's about a more profound understanding of the purposes of all of our different institutions including our political institutions. I think our our political culture has become anti institutional in in recent decades in a way that has has had just immense costs for country and our recovery of some respect for our institutions. Certainly that includes science and the professions it includes the academy it also includes constitutional system. I think just as got to be part of a way back now. There is a way that crisis like this makes us more serious. We understand now. I think much better what it is that experts do and why it is that we need to take these things seriously and it's a magical that we come out of a crisis like this with a better attitude about these questions you've out. Thank you for being with us. We really enjoyed it so much but before you go before you go one more thing. We'd love a recommendation from you. We like to leave our listeners. With something to help take their minds off the news. Can you help us out? Well you know I. I think if you're lucky enough As I am to have a nine year old seven year old in your home. I've found that just going outside and playing catch every day is just about the best thing there is for my soul selling. We started doing to To more in the baseball season but by now it's just this great soul opening ritual for us every day. I I pretend I do it for them. But they're doing it for me and it's the best thing in my life just now Michelle. You must have some sort of equivalent with your kids right. Yeah I've got a five year old and a seven year old. Neither of them really likes to play. Catch my son inherited. His parents complete disinterest in sports I guess would be are equivalent would be climbing the property that were on has this kind of gorge with this stream and a kind of fell tree that you can use to cross it and it's actually extremely dangerous in my kids completely love climbing down and going across it so but in general. I think getting outside every day which is easier for some people than others but is you know the only thing standing between me and total madness. Thank you to for leaving me and everyone else with images of the outdoors and fun. I think we all need them right. Now that's our show this week. Thank you for listening and thanks again to you. Eleven for joining us if you want to check out more of his work head to National Affairs. Dot Com. You can also buy his most recent book which came out earlier this year. A time to build. It's about reviving American institutions. 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Steelers' Hangover: Steelers Nation wanted Duck Season to start, but can it extend into January?
"This is Sean Rama's firm the host of Boxes Daily News. podcast today explained you know since late September. We've done probably close to a dozen shows on this impeachment inquiry from the early rumors of a whistle blower complaints to Nancy Pelosi launching the formal impeachment inquiry to the whistleblower complaint coming out wrote the so-called transcript coming out to the Republican counter narrative to the White House stone. We've done it. All all felt like it was leading up to this moment of love. Televised impeachment hearings and the event of that event was the testimony of Gordon Sunland and we wanted to make sure. Are we made an episode that properly showcased and explained the significance the historic significance of that testimony. And we did it and we want you to hear it. It's available in our feeds right now today. Explained episode is titled Impeachment TV. Mr Sunland goes to Washington ten. It's a must-listen I wouldn't say so if it weren't go check it out and enjoy. Thanks good afternoon good evening wherever you may be. You're celebrating the steelers right now. And they're sixteen an in victory over the Cincinnati bengals which was not a pretty one but it got the job done so Really you're where you need to be right now. What you're six and five if you're the Pittsburgh steelers and you're back to sixth place in the conference A lot of sixes. Because it's your sixth win of the season it is your urine six place and Tony. My good friend. You are now being led by number six so welcome to the steelers hangover my friends. My name is Brian Anthony Davis. Thanks for joining me. Twenty four hours or so after after the steelers big victory in Tony. Welcome aboard my friend. Great to be here as always man great. But here's always take over the five hundred mark. Yeah you back over the five hundred back into into the sixth spot and I was going ahead and I was looking at everything there and and You know I published an article Tony Every weekend. It's the steelers routing guide. Now it's not exactly the easiest thing to do because you know when you're looking at some matchups you're like Whoa we pick this matchups. We picked we pick this winter. I mean like who do you root for in some of these games and one of those games over the last week was The Los Angeles chart ex- excuse me not the chargers. But it's coming hang up this week with the raiders in the chiefs because you know at first glance you're thinking. Oh Yeah. You need the raiders to lose but a lot if you look at it you need the chiefs actually lose and get them out of the playoffs. Altogether let the raiders. Go ahead and win that division with them coming up. Ah because it's actually getting that close So there's some games like that that you know what against Houston and India over the over on on Thursday night. That was another one. That was actually a pretty tough to decide who you wanted to win. But that was the one you just Kinda let play out so with that being said welcome to the hangover and as always you know this if you wanna show there's ways to do do it and the best way to do it is click subscribed click like friends about it go ahead and share. Just let everybody know about this. This little party that we have the day after And we are hung over during it. Sometimes it's a good hangover. Sometimes it's a bad one year like I don't know how this thing's going to shake shakeout but I'm living so that's a good thing that's kind of how we feel today with the the steeler victories. Great but there's more questions than ever and that goes to the very top of the list and we'll get to that to that in just a little bit. The very top of the list is doc. Doc black-wing guys you wanted duck season is here. Duck season is here. But here's the big question Kate. Last asked can sustain until January. That's one of the thing we gotta talk about and go ahead and look at the actual quality of the play in that game So there's lots of big things happening Turkey days coming up. We've got a big game on Thanksgiving Day. Tony as well. And we'll talk about that Nationalist LASOTA right. Now you know you and I we we have no. We have no format. We didn't like to go ahead with it Africa. So okay. There's three games this weekend Chicago Detroit. You're just a you're just hoping not to fall asleep in that game. Then then the big one on for us is buffalo coming off a win against Dallas coming off of a tough maybe a little bit of controversial loss in that game to new New England. They are at home. That could be a very big game for the Pittsburgh steelers. So if you're steeler fan you're really going to go ahead and take a peak of that won't peek at that one if you love football and you want to go ahead and watch New Orleans in Atlanta in the evening in your Thanksgiving days over. That's that's not not really a bad of a game because actually Atlanta's coming on and and Orleans is is a fantastic team but who what we really want to talk okay. Let's talk about that game just really fast. The reason you want buffalo to lose badly your two games behind them you have them coming up December fifteenth and I preface and you know when we publish these articles. There's always some guy or some comments as well the steelers just have to take care of their business. Like yeah we ed work that way because that way we understand we've we've seen them take care of their business and Ryan Suck Up. Hit a field goal all all the way to the right and blow it for him so you know you do gotta look at other Games at times. So that's something that we have to do so with buffalo coming up on the Fifteenth Eighteenth and the steelers hopefully taking care of business they have New England again they could lose some games so This game against Dallas. I know it's sacrilegious especially especially to some of the The older steeler fans from the seventies that just for the Dallas cowboys when my buddies was sitting with me last night and I was saying during the game actually and I said to him. I'm like what do you think Mike Death if you took one team from the NFC that you hate the most. Would it be. And I knew he was going to say Dallas because for me. I think it's Philadelphia. What about you Tony? What do you think well? Actually I like the cowboys I always have so. I had no problem rooting for this Thursday. I know it's GonNa make the sound like a jerk but a lot of people think that about me anyway so this week I can root for them without any guilt. So look this data shared and seventies what about the fifties and sixties like me Dennis. I know you're rooting for the steelers. But were there any bad guys. Yeah I mean everyone was beaten our butts. They have any rival. Expect back then maybe the maybe the day but they were laughing at us. I think Dennis you don't look that older. I'm not trying to flutter. Yeah because you already like me but with that being said I wanNA know oh who the WHO the main rivals were back in the fifties and sixties. I'd guess maybe maybe that's I don't. I don't really know who that would be the debt Dennis. Oh Yeah I guess yeah. The browns were the That's where that rivalry Kept on going so I'd I bet you that's his answer but Dennis hit us back on that I would like to know about that But with that being said so yeah go ahead I'll be. I'll be cheering on the cowboys with no problem. This week. Back that reason I mean I still don't feel as dirty as I did when I when I rooted voted for the Patriots over over the Ravens. And every time I do that it blows up in my face. So I'm I'm Gonna I'm going to be does doesn't look seventy five years old. Did you like the cowboys at all. When you were a kid or absolutely I grew up in you know? I grew up in Johnston. PA Well I do. Because I grew up in Heart Pittsburgh and I I still liked him. I mean I like Tony Dorsett because because of Pet even though even though that was still still cowboy. But I really had no problem with them I I always thought the Thomas Hollywood Henderson story was just absolutely amazing. You want to go ahead and read a great book of Books Probably About Thirty two years old now but it's a really interesting read. Any book published from the seventy. I mean not from the seventies but about players in the seventies like Ken Stabler Neighbors Book. Bradshaw was John Madden's books those. I mean what those guys didn't training camps sneaking out but Thomas Hollywood Henderson Guy. That guy was Really something else. And he He actually overcame his demons and ended up. Winning the lottery. Bob Eighteen eighteen years ago so a really interesting story and he put a lot of that money too good but we've gotten way off track here. Let's get back to the game and Tony. What was your initial official knee-jerk reaction when that came is still see rose zero and mix the you know they're struggling? I wasn't surprised at all. I played out pretty much thought it what I thought it would be a an ugly offensive struggle for both teams and it would it would come down to a couple of plays and and it turns out that it did and it came down to the the duck dynasty being involved in one of them so it pretty much other than the quarterback change it transpired transpired the way I thought it would be something here because this showed up the other day and I know I want to listen to everything you say but I just got distracted. I know I'm not supposed to give distract. Bring this up. Dallas puts this up and I saw him post this too jeff or Dave the other day on one of the chats and he's posting Google video to youtube. Stop reading from the truth. I will go anywhere. See anyone stop running. I'm not sure what I'm running from. And I'd love to have more clarification of that but you know me Dallas. You know me everybody on this live. Chat knows me knows Tony that we don't run from anything. I'm not sure from here. You know like If he challenged he can do a Dole. I mean what yeah. That'd be awesome. I don't know I mean that's really interesting because I never really kicked field goals. They was trying to get me to kick when that day and I was like man. I can't can't. I'm terrible. I mean but actually I did get some length but I got it in the air and I was happy. So that's a Uh Oh it's okay there we go there we go. It's everybody's jumping in. Thanks thanks to Kim. Thanks to a few people. It's from capper Nicks video so I I did not. I did not go ahead and make that equation. Thanks thanks FELLAS. I appreciate it. That's that's actually funny. Yeah we're not running from anybody we're But we don't need a kicker right now either so Dave's Job is safe. Actually funny thing I I heard the other day that Carli Lloyd who the the reason this whole thing started said that after the Olympics she is actually she's actually entertaining going to an NFL team after the twenty twenty Olympics. That's that'd be really interesting. We could we could even pull this whole thing back out again. But let's let's get back to the game. Actually let's pull this up because we talked about this Denisot in the sixties. We hated Oakland. Houston why well I mean they were. They were rivals rules. Coming in. From the I know in the seventies seventy late seventies. They became really good but they were coming in from the AFL so back that could have been something to man he still had really cool. The powder blue helmets to that was that was really awesome. But let's let's get back to the thing at hand so you knew Mason was going to be coming out or did you. Because Jeff Hartmann. I shared the same sentiment I listened to him. He never. I thought they were going to do it and me. I was thinking the same thing. I never thought they were gonNA pull them out. I didn't know whether it was just a becomes because of stubbornness let them play through it. But if you're watching it with me and I'm starting to think like okay. This is not good. This is just getting to the point where you're not getting any better in. There's some things happening either the concussion He hasn't been amazing. Since the concussion we we do know that it's also the fact that And Jeff mentioned this Jeff Williams mentioned this yesterday on the post game that you're maybe it's the fact that well it's definitely between his ears but the fact that he's just trying not to make that big mistake and maybe that's what what happened. 'cause he's not he's playing so awful right now and this is not as bad as he was playing precondition. And as far as I'm concerned I thought he played a whole lot better. But maybe it's just everything and then throwing the whole I would be distracted with a whole myles Garrett thing too because not gonNa really break and get into that entire thing but That accusation mutation could really ruin. Somebody's career and if you want to really listen to Listen to some of. It was really waxed fantastically about it was Sir Lancelot Williams the other night on your said it about the whole situation. I really I really loved what he said about. See I'm starting to listen to the shows. Now I've I've been told I'm not a key team player and now I listen but that's really affected him and he even came out after the game saying again that the those were completely false accusations so anything anyways. What's happening right now is the fact that you're in the third quarter? He comes out later again. Another third out against a team that their defense is not that fantastic whatsoever and when they trucked out number six Devlin Duck Dynasty. Hodges I was like why not right. It can't hurt. So what were your first impressions of of Duck because we saw we. We've seen them before we saw Tom. Come Out Against Baltimore. We saw him come out against Los Angeles and play the whole game. But he wasn't sterling silver. He wasn't amazing. During that gave me did enough and had some weapons in he played with Moxy. So what were your impressions. Tony well I thought you know he was. He was who he. He's been this season he he he he. He looked confident. He looked composed. He was mobile in the pocket. He had a better pocket presence as Dave Scofield said yesterday when we were texting about the game you know. He didn't didn't set the world on fire. What this episode is sponsored by Stash? A SMARTER SIMPLER WAY TO START. Investing with Sash you can begin. Investing in a wide array of companies diversified funds. For as little as five dollars stash offers unlimited trading with no add on trading commission. So you can invest without worrying about getting nickel and dimed. You can choose your own stocks and funds to build a personalized portfolio. Were let stash. 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I'm the king and the bud I'd light commercial that another king but I'm the the Old Bud light night and it's just not getting to go to the party. Well any better with a mistake thank you know. Don't add me now. I know I don't want to be added now. I mean my feelings are hurt. Yeah I mean I I bet ya I can get you know what you know what I'm GonNa do I'm GonNa get during the game I'm going to. Let's pull some names appear I'm GonNa get a Deal with it. I'M GONNA get Logan Dealer. Enzo Michael Tool Dennis Sheridan Mr Marcus. Thirty seven getting bent with Bo. Just see on the screen right now if I leave you out. Don't get upset but I'M GONNA have my own chain and I'm GonNa talk to them during the game and not you guys might be brothers that have just Aw I never felt like that. Yes definitely can McNair Junior. I actually have his phone number. I can call him right now now and talk about it but you guys. Oh you're killing me here so everybody right in the back ed right in the back. Actually I don't want to really I don't what it takes to you guys because I'm too busy writing that article. So Jeff Man. This is great. Laugh out loud. No one wants to hear bad complained about the rafts. Yeah yeah I I guess I do try to this year or any year. Actually you would be I. I'm pretty low key. We actually watching the game. I get excited but I'm actually I feel like I try to be more of a student watching the game games and just try to absorb as much as I can because really I watch the games differently now that I write that article during it. But here's the best part about it. I get to tell the great thing about that article. I get to tell my wife and my family that Hey I get paid to watch the games I have to do this now. I mean it's it's kind of my job and so that gets me. They gave me a free pass. Every Sunday I get to write it on the calendar I get one dealer games so so it's This is the best thing so I I really feel good about it but I would love to go ahead and I'd love to have a Great Watch party with all of you guys. That'd be awesome like texting. It'd be cool just to hang out with all my bts's friends. And I would invite you. Tony I can't believe you Tony But let's get back to the game. 'cause I'm I'm really getting off track here so they bring them in and just like that too completions nations and what happens more yards than Mason Rudolph the thing about him. Tony Is Duck Dynasty Devlin Hajjis Cayman Amen. And he's playing with house money. He's got nothing to lose here. Because here's here's the thing. If they lose the game he's just he's just your relief pitcher all right if they win the game look what he's got he's got a starting job and I know they haven't named a starter but come on everybody. He knows that he's the. You're not going to go ahead. Especially against Cleveland. You'RE NOT GONNA put Mason back in that situation right away and so. So here's the thing for the organization there May. I was thinking about this even last week. I was thinking you know why not bring him in at this point it because you have nothing to lose you either one. He does well goes crazy and he leaves you towards the playoffs or two. He's everything that we thought auty. was he not ready for Primetime. And you're like hey. We gave it a shot. So that's pretty much what's going to happen here. But the the third thing now too is You're keeping MASON RUDOLPH OUT OF THAT CLEVELAND Game Too so the big thing is. This is a huge audition right now for Devlin. Hodges okay. So he gets an opportunity. Tony go ahead and win the job. This is this this is the big this is preseason game number three for devil and hodges is what it is he can win the game when the job for the rest of the season. And we're GONNA know who who really has the job barring injury if he goes ahead in starts in Arizona in week fourteen. So that's really what we're looking at here. Plenty of folks we've got hundred twenty-three in the live chat Tony Right now Why don't you tell them to me? Favorite teller friends. WHAT THEY WANNA do if they want to go ahead and ask question in Super Chat Forum and exactly what they need to? Do you need to donate money right. Is that how it works. Yeah you have that little that little dollar sign down at the bottom and and if you WANNA go ahead to get to the top of the line so well no. I don't either right now but I actually. I did it actually during the game yesterday and and that actually happening right now were were youtube giving out Free live chats. If you've done it so many times I'm like I'll do it and then I had to pay for it so oh but anyway. So if you don't WanNa go get to the top of the queue that'd be fantastic That's how we get contests and Do stuff like your Jersey Gibbs giveaways and t shirt giveaways and the David decastro signed ball and stuff like that so feel free to go ahead and if you do want to go ahead and support the show that way you can but remember subscribe and like to our Youtube Channel is the big way to go ahead and do it so the big question here ear right now. Tony let me preface this with five for eleven right duck. Hodges was five live for eleven he led them to a win and we know it's it was a two. AM tape win but can he sustain Amos conduct season. Go all the way to January. What are your thoughts? Honestly I. I don't I don't know at this point. I think when you have two young inexperienced unproven unproven guys like this. I think it's a week to week thing quite honestly I mean he did okay in La against the chargers but you know it was more like a game manager thing. He did a lot of dump off running backs to James. Had A nice game and and Benny Smell that day. So what I think you're gonNA see just like any other position but too young guys. You're you're GONNA see a week to week thing you know if Dakar just comes into next week in an has a decent game then he he s to be your starter the following week but if he struggles even even if they win yeah I think you have to keep reevaluating position each and every week and by the way this does not right off Mason Rudolph forever. I think I knew a lot of people want to do that already. They WanNa say we wash it for nine games. That's it he he doesn't have what it takes to play the toughest position Team sports so we're done with them. I'm not I'm not saying that at all. What we're saying is to win this game this week? I think Devon Hodges is the best answer. He's he's the the the guy you have to put it in there To try to win this game. It's a big game this critical game for them. So you don't want Mason Rudolph in there after everything that's happened. All the distractions he. He's to be asked about that all week. And you don't want your young struggling quarterback deal with that and get rid and and get ready for a game against your. AFC North rival so can't stand it to the end of the year. I don't know but I think he definitely meaning Devon Hodges. He is the answer for this week. He's your best chance to win. Yeah I I really think he is going to bring this up. Quick just to bring this up here. still fifty eight. That's his Communist. ext steelers bring cap in for work. Please hey if you want to listen to a fantastic question was on the post game yesterday. Eh Go back and listen to that show I love how jeff and Lance went ahead and talk about that. Talk about where where I how he would help would not help the team at this point. I'm arm really GONNA say about it But if you really want to go ahead and listen to that. Check that show out yesterday. If you didn't hear it. It was a great show and I really liked the way they They talked about the whole Cap Situation because you know hey. Hey that's out there snowman asked you think the steelers will make a change at left tackle. 'cause big house has been playing like small. Paul Allen has not been a good year for him. You know what. Here's here's what I'm hoping here. And I'm hoping that he's just having a boss while year but we've seen some signs of brilliance out of them this year but man it's been a rough season for big al.. I just really at this point. I think you need to go ahead and ride with them and the reason you need to go ahead and ride with this Guy Snowman is just for the fact. That who else are you putting it left tackle right now. szucs szucs was. Here's the thing about szucs. Why didn't she szucs szucs yesterday? He's active list. Good Point Yeah I mean they're they're seeing nothing out of him right now and he's definitely on the inactive list. So you know. I really don't think that there's a good alternative right now. Because here's the thing with Zach banner anybody. Anybody could see Zach Banner but Zach Banner when the when they needed another right tackle. It was chokes because Zack has his own physician And I don't even know if that's working anymore and if you wanna hear someone that that really I it sticks in the craw Dave Scofield the fact that they They basically advertise. What they're doing when they go ahead and bring this guy in at least they pass it yesterday for a change? I guess they were trying trying to mix it up. Yeah I like to see them do that. More if duck shows more than mason the next five games should steelers consider shopping mason for picks given how little picks the steelers have. You know what I'm GONNA say. Yes Tony The reason being because you expect to go ahead in have been rothlisberger next back next year. Even though you don't know you don't really. He can't really see the crystal ball but I mean I still have that gut feeling that he's playing next that year but the thing about it if yeah if he shows enough yet he can be the number two and you go ahead and pull the plug on the experiment. I meant I mean. That's not the craziest thing in the World Tony. What do you think I wouldn't do it? I mean I think I think I'm still. I WANNA give him another year ear to to prove that he can. He has the ability to even be the number one low low number two. I don't know if he has that ability but I you know I think you had to give more than than eight or nine games and and how much you're going to get for many way if you shopping for X.. Maybe a seventh round pick. Is that really going to help them. At all you got a fifth out out of just stops. Yeah I know but but the but the the arrows pointing down for him right now public opinion everything for for for Mason Rudolph. I mean maybe maybe if he even a fifth when he was more valuable finding out if some guy in Russia can be the heir-apparent that your franchise quarterback or a fifth round pick. I think it's worth finding Out About Mason Rudolph for one more year. Anyway I you know what That's not a bad problem to have and we're going to worry about it then in but I mean I hope that's the problem that you have the fact that you still have an I get what you're saying but you know that's a great problem if you end up having duck finished the year well getting them to the playoffs and maybe he could be your number two. And and then you have maybe trade or you have a chance to go ahead and give Mason the opportunity to win his job back. And 'cause really hey. This is a rookie year. I know it's not his rookie year but didn't play a game last year. So you know. That's that's that's all I can say about that but I'm actually gonNA bring this up because this never happens someone saying the words. I agree with Tony. I don't get anything for Rudolph. Maybe a fifth or sixth. I agree with Tony. Rudolph's upset is worth more than the crappy lay pick up. I can't disagree with that So there you go but still fifty. He's going to give us a warm six pack of old Milwaukee uh-huh for Rudolph. Well you know what. I'm just going to say status. Welcome to the eighties. Welcome that we. Brian and I had to deal with growing up as kids for those who are too young to remember number. What life was like before a big Ben? You're going to be seeing a lot of this. Maybe two weeks from now trade deficit for a six pack. That's just how it is now. You have. You have all all these improvement quarterbacks. And you're trying that you're trying to find out if they can provide a spark and the chances are probably not because you're not gonNA. You're not gonNA replace a hall of fame quarterback with with with with a third round pick or a undrafted free agent out from Stanford. It's just not gonNA happen so get used to it. This is where we're going to have from now on when Big Ben Retires. We'll throw out some names. MICROSCOPIC CONTOUR from Cox has all your favorites all in one place and with the contour remote you can use your voice to fund them on live. TV On demand and streaming APPs like netflix prime video and more see Cox dot COM com for details. Mark Malone Scott Campbell. Do you remember Scott Campbell. I do and he was. He was Hajjis back. Then he can do. He was actually he was an actual draft pick. But you have like twelve thousand. Traffic's right. Yeah Yeah I'm actually twelve rounds but From purdue ekstrom is another one that comes off the head Walter Bubby Brister of my all time favorites another very fun number six David Woodley who was in the Super Bowl actually two years before coming over to the steelers a tragic story he He drank himself into the grave. That was very tragic. He was a good quarterback one time and he lost his job to Dan Marino. which which a lot of people would have lost their shame in that so I said if I didn't say Mark Malone you know it taught lack leads one? Here's the top ten pick by the way and he. He didn't really yeah not too much not for not for the steelers but for whoever picked him initially the Kansas City chiefs yeah channel. We also had a Mike Tomczak. We'd can't Graham in there. Yeah of course Kordell Stewart Neil. Donald Jim Miller right was another one. I mean so I'm I'm throwing some names out there and Neil O'Donnell was actually really really good and if you can get either one of these guys to be the next Neil Donald. You're doing yourself a great service because the oddity happening pretty long. I know I went off on that a couple of weeks ago I thought Neil O'Donnell look at his stats Niro donalds a very good quarterback He his last game here of broken hearts and just now. He's he's the devil in Pittsburgh. which I'm Ed Donahue was played really well Ritual rivers brings up Tommy. Maddox I love Tommy. Gun Ever tell you that I met Tommy Gun in the airports the year after that I mean In early two thousand three so and what was really cool about. It was was This I mean this is not too far after September eleventh and I was on a business trip with a couple of buddies and we were wearing. We were in business suits and my buddy not just me he's like hey look over and we're going through. TSA and so. We're the checking checking bags. They're they're this is when they first made you take off your shoes. So we're taking their shoes off. He said look over there. Where it's Tommy Maddox? And it was may so you knew he was coming in for minicamp in meetings and he was wearing golf a golf shirt and shorts and he's like hey should we go over talk to them like the guy is it all man I tell you what so so we got through and he got through right at the same time but he was about. This was in Pittsburgh this was about we were about about two or three rows apart and so I just yelled over to them. I'm like Hey Tommy. We love you here in Pittsburgh and I kept walking he made a beeline. He lied to us he just made. He didn't really run but he came straight over to us and he's like. Hey guys where are you from and I said well you know right now. I'm a Johnston kid but I I'm living in Clarksburg West Virginia right now and my other buddies and we didn't ask them for autographs or anything like that. We Wanna one of each be shook her hand. That's pretty cool. And that that was just awesome and this was after his big season and so it was just really cool. And I'll never forget that so I used to send out eight by ten to steelers and I got a lot back over the years. Some big names. I got back over the years to some didn't but I sent one to him and I wrote a note to him and I mentioned that experience and he he sent me a cool autograph back with another paragraph but like couple of lines in. It was really cool. I always have a soft spot in my heart for in two thousand and two season me and I am Tommy. And there's a lot going on in my life at that time and Tommy Maddox you. You can say what you want about him. But that's season kind of took me out of a little bit of a funk and isn't that mortell about stuff like that that's that's that's that's what those are the memories that's extinct for saying that Tony. Yeah it really is. That's that's really what it's all about so late getting back to what you said though Tony before we I I'm the king of Tangents so No no I'm the king of paint I'd go off so the thing about you really sparkman. When he said look we're spoiled and we were spoiled and and because not many teams can talk about out to hall of fame? quarterbacks are the Patriots talking about two hall of fame. quarterbacks I mean if you WANNA waxed poetically about Steve Grogan. Who's not a hall of fame quarterback or is pretty good? Yeah but but not hall of fame. He didn't give you the ring even so I mean we could talk about how great Mister third and Fifth AB was. But here's the thing didn't give didn't give you the ring right. So that's what I'm saying we are. You're absolutely right. There's going to be some down seasons seasons. You're not going to be like the colts and go ahead and and have that one bad season. Pick Andrew Luck but entry luck. Didn't give them Emma ring either right. But that's that's still I still. I don't think Andrew Luck would have given him a ring them a ring if he didn't retire and and if he had stayed with it and he was okay to do it. I just don't think that would have happened. I thought it was a good quarterback I just don't think that he was going to lead them to the promised land. But Oh that's just my opinion but with that being said right now. What are we hoping for? We're hoping for a healthy the quarterback in his seventeenth season right. That's really what we're help open for at this point and go back to the drawing board and find somebody go you know. I mean you could still have a pretty satisfying season. I mean we're not we're not expecting either one of these guys to go out there and be a hall of fame quarterback replay at that level. But you know if you can find one of them you know can can just be efficient and and play within himself and and play within the offense and and let the defense do its thing and carry the team then it could still be very satisfying Season we have to also realize that the the skill set players are just so who Compromise right now I mean we're we're we're talking about guys that were on other teams practice squad that contributed yesterday. That's that's a reality. So Oh you know all the way around offense. It's compromised so you know even if the like either. Mason Rudolph or Devon Hodges. Could it'd be a great quarterback but we might not even find out this year because the offense has been so compromised. I WANNA I wanNA touch on what you just said. We're talking about guys that were on practice squads elsewhere and we're talking about Gareth white good performance from him talking about Cain. Well I'm excited about Dan Kane but when it comes down to it. They're still in practice squads at the being the year so not ready for prime time but guess who wasn't on the practice squad and that the person was a duck dynasty right. I mean he was not good enough to be on. Someone's once practice squad but he's good enough to have a He's got a one zero record in the NFL. And that's that's a pretty big deal so we're going to see. This is a huge game this week. Anybody kid because ask not only and people don't realize this and we were talking about the standings earlier. Here's the other thing what Cleveland's record right now. Five and six six five and six and the steelers are six and five. You lose that game. You're out you're done right at this point but you're ah yeah you're really on on life support. Yeah because you're not only sure you're tied with them but you just lost the tiebreaker. And there's no getting the tie breaker back you. You have a better chance of getting the tiebreaker back from the Ravens Right. Then you do the browns. I know they're not gonNA. They're not gonNA cut the gap with the Ravens. The could I mean the next two weeks they have the rams and forty niners. I don't expect them to lose both of those games. In fact I think think at worst. They're going to be one on one if they don't want them both. But so I want to bring this up Dennis Jarrett and ask I do not says I do not see a path for US winning Sunday. Tony how did they win Sunday. It simple I mean it starts up front with with with big Alan Matt Matt Father and Ramon Foster those guys were struggling against the I don't think foster played but but to let the tackles we're definitely struggling and it's going to help Garissa in there for for big AL so starts up front. You GotTa get a big player to from the offense. That's pretty much all you're going to get. I don't see this offense being able to sustain drives so you get a big big player to like it did yesterday and then you rely on the defense special teams. That's how you win this game. Let's let's remember As as much as the browns round dominated the steelers two weeks ago or a week and a half ago they still only scored two legit touchdowns heading ended the last five minutes of the game before Mason Rudolph Thread I picked down at the four yard line so if the defense can just hold them to ten fourteen seventeen points maybe you do enough on. Offense scored art fourteen. Seventeen twenty points and win the game so it can't happen as long as as long as defense keeps bringing it it has been. That's that's very true. Six is the new to like that But I was bringing this up. Kurt Warner was not good enough for thirty two. GM's as well You know I can't argue with that as well so I mean I look I want I wanted Mason Mason Rudolph to be the Guy I want. I want a devil and hodges to be the guy and I. I'm rooting for both of them Is that move. That move. Had to be made. Yeah yesterday and we'll see whether they even expected to be a longterm move because like I said if he if he plays off against the browns. You're probably going to mason back in in Arizona but the big thing about it. Is You just you. Also I think they wanNA keep them away from the Cleveland game and because they're noticing the people that that there's a lot in Mason's head right now right he has a lot to deal with for a young guy like that trying up become a trying to make it as a starting quarterback in his first season as a starter. After deal with all that to have you know so many people. They're hating them for no reason. That's a lot to deal. You were so you know. It's best if Mike Tomlin keeps them out of that game and puts in Dodge's who has that off shocks kind of demeanor you know that little little swagger that maybe can get him through a game or two or maybe more than that we'll see. So here's here's an answer. Andres Ross a asks asks and I don't know the answer to this. 'cause I really wasn't paying attention to the game who replaced myles Garrett who is that. That's that's a good question that's something I should have been more prepared so if somebody knows that Yeah and another thing that that I was thinking of when we were talking about all of that. Look you were mentioning. How bad Cleveland was against Pittsburgh? They were really bad to any team could have beaten them that day but one thing that they got out of it they got even more of an us against the world mentality now and that showed against Cleveland they destroyed. Excuse me against Miami. They destroyed Miami. However we'll see what happens when these teams this is going to be? I hate to the break out the old. I'm not even going to give credit to Jim Ross. Because it's actually not. Jim Ras line. I'm going to give credit to Paul. McGuire he so you slobber knocker I and this is going to be an absolute slobber knocker but you mentioned some guys earlier Tony I really. He liked what Dion cane can do. I like what karat white can do. And I would've actually consider keeping them in there along with Benny Snell I would. This is this is what I think is is asking you. What will take to Cleveland I think it it takes going ahead and bringing back not bringing back. But hopefully having healthy James Connor in a healthy Juju Smith shuster and then them being the leaders that they're supposed to be strapped with teams onto their back. And that's that's really what they can do with a guy like dodges in there too if you the formula was a lot of passes in the backfield against Los Angeles chargers uh-huh that worked quite a bit and then helped open some things up so we need to see A. I mean I don't know who is going to be in running back but I'd love to see the speed of care th white in their more. I'd like to see what he can get. I mean Willie. Parker was in that same type of situation situation at one time so I'd like to see what he can do and see if he is for real. Because we've seen it happen so I mean but I wanna see Jalen Samuels as a third down back or as a backfield option really we like to see James Connor back and I would assume that. I think he's going to be back this week. That would be Andre. Ross as says we Win If we have Juju and cornerback I think Be really good to have those guys back in there. But I love this Matteo. Cecilia put Jalen Eland slut in heaven play more receiver. That'll be another weapon. Hey we've seen them do that before he can do that. Swiss army knife. He's he's very versatile permanent Most versatile guy they have on offense so that could be an answer to finding some mismatches down you know with the linebackers and safeties. The fourteen music group says says man bad if he can catch with those burners. Oh my gosh if if white could catch the ball I mean we haven't really seen it. I mean I I don't know but if he can catch out of the backfield wow he will be. I mean he could be something. And beyond Cain look there's no reason not to keep the on cain around because who you're wide receivers it's Juju Deontay Johnson. And it's James Washington who I thought. I thought both of them. I had a really good game yesterday. I thought change Washington had argued nearly good game the the stiff arm. Let's see if I can tell hammer there that was that's not quite valuable who has completely disappeared. that's not quite Vance McDonald from week. Three and two thousand thousand eighteen but that was a pretty good stiff arm and now he just toppled Venema white van. So I mean there's so many things that need to happen in this game this this is somebody mentioned the live chat. I'm not sure who it was but mentioned. Maybe the signature game. The defense is giving you everything they can. I look at the defensive standings things they're number two in sacks there the five points per game defense in the National Football League. We didn't dream about that in week. Three we didn't even dream about not that they couldn't hold back then. No I mean that's so if you could erased week one two and three. They're probably the number one defense in the League Maybe maybe New England New England's is not giving up any points but you take you get rid of those first three games. It's just it would be amazing. This defense is found himself found themselves. Yeah Heat and save your season out. Yeah and and it goes and we were talking a bunch about Minka and I got a I got. My Jersey showed up the other day so I'm really happy about that. This is not an old Willie Parker Jersey. I promise but he you know what we're talking about Minka but the the guy that doesn't get credit and I think get brought up a few times Vince Williams. When Vince Williams came back? You don't happen. The started stopping stopping the run right. They weren't stopping the run against San Francisco but when when Vinnie beach came back against the Baltimore Ravens and they stopped the Ravens. Run better than anybody has this year. Yeah I think I think at this point mark parents kind of a liability a AH I think you see it every game except team the rams he hit a nice say he Brutal sack. Yesterday it was nice. Yeah he's not the the guy in in in in pass coverage I should say he's a liability in pass coverage which he was brought here for but I struggle with that last year. I guess that's why they bring them back. But that's really a liability is an impasse coverage over this. It's up not an old Willie Parker Jersey cheap Chinese Jersey. I see I mean but yeah okay at least at least with the I. E. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why Tanaka. Maybe this is why I don't know I haven't seen the back of it yet. So now. Here's the big question for you could. Let's bring this up. I this lead into my question. Bad and Tony from Dante Harris. Can we just say duck is a better quarterback than Mason. I feel like that's where we are. And what the narrative should be. What are you basing that on? Uh Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown forecast your avengers of college football podcast successor in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is. It's all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable pants. Were in middle school. We also do talk about college. Football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early. And unfashionable. Pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. or in your favorite podcast APP. Because he didn't he didn't set the world on fire against the chargers he he played decent. But like you said so did make some up until the concussion. So what are we basing it on as far as duck. I don't think he's a better quarterback yet I think he's a more poised quarterback at drank right. He's got nothing to lose. He's he's got moxie he's got swagger and he's he's going to he's the fit right now he's the guy that that they definitely. We need right now. And if he can't he's the best option were week twelve. which was yesterday and we thirteen which is coming up so mason had a seventy six yard? Td also I get it and we. I mean we could go back back and forth and and we are forgetting that Five for eleven. I mean he wasn't pretty in that game right but he got the job done so and then shared and I like this. So I'm I'm gonNA bring this up. He's decisive Mason is indecisive. I don't think Mason Jason was as indecisive BC before concussion. And not only that. And I've complained about. The coach is his handling randy features handling of him. It's almost like I feel like he's doing everything he you can to please this guy and it's like I picture him just walking past him in the hallway and fiedler walking past runoff. I'm sure that hasn't happened but I mean that's just what I picture. It's just like 'cause he's Benz Guy and Guys Ben is his guy so that's just what I picture in my head but I'm not saying I'm right or wrong all I know. Is that an Andres. Roskin say here DOC truck to Devi yesterday and that was epic dairy guts. He is a fighter and so and fourteen music group. I'm I'm not gonna read this whole thing. Well I guess I can for. I should for anybody that is listening and not watching bad. I Bet I'm the coach but Mason just doesn't have it man. He doesn't even have Tom Brady. Six round pick motor. We should lick our wounds. I mean I'm all for that and I understand that. I'm I'm hoping that this is the move that does it. And I'm hoping duck. Is this guy but the question in the name of the show. The title of the show is can duck dynasty. Excuse me duck season last all the way into January. And that's the question we've got to ask yourself so I'm going to ask you in the live chat. I just want yeses house. Let's see let's see what we get. Katie last can they go to the playoffs elsewhere. This guy and that's the question so but that's what I'm going to ask from you. Yes or no. Kate extend all the way to January. Forty says yes. Tony Kaelin sustained. I'm just I I can't I can't say. Es At this point. Because I I just don't I just don't offense is just so. So anemic right. Now I'm just GonNa say for now I'm just GonNa say no show show me next week and then we'll get back to it. I'm GonNa lean do that now. Because here's the question I mean. Well you're not on the preview so I can ask you. I won't make my pick. What's your pick doc? Excuse me for this game. Who You picking this game? I'M GONNA pick another Ugly game and I'M GONNA say steelers by feel okay seventeen fourteen so if the if the if that's your pick that means that he's good enough to beat a surging browns team and and and With that being a tough game with the scheduled coming up with the bills who I don't believe in with with the cardinals. The jets missing. I'm out of order there and and the Ravens to end the season and which you might be looking at trace mcsorley in that Ravens game right or Robert Griffin the third or something like that so and now I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say that he's the best option. I'm hoping so I'm going to say I'm GonNa say that you can win this weekend right now in November in late November of two thousand nineteen he is the best I bet now in training camp let them battle radio and you might see a different guy you might see a gut UNC. Chris Boswell type type situation to where you're like. You challenged me all right. I'm going to show a better off. I'm going to show you that I'm the guy. And no one's complaining about Boswell. No one's complaining Barry so there there are some tough games coming up to even though the records aren't great for T. l.. Says I think the trap game so the steelers are the cards. They're on their trap games for the steelers anymore. Th- their offense isn't good enough for them to have trap game. They're not supposed to beat anybody at this point. I think every game's going to be a struggle and that doesn't mean they can't win these games. They can win it. But they're not they're not there's a sufficient on offense and defense is so dominant. You just have to hope that each each game unfolded away yesterday. Way The rams and the colts and all this kind of game show. There's no trap games from them anymore. not this year so with that being said we're going to go ahead and wrap things up here Tony What are your final thoughts? I'm fired up this the most fired up. I've been all season. I think I'm I'm just. It's really excited. I'm just this has been so much fun for me to watch this team this year. do what it's been doing with all the problems had and I can't wait. This is this game against the browns. That's coming up. This is the biggest game between them to you. You mentioned Tommy Matic. Since that wildcard game this is going to be so much fun and hopefully it just stays fun. It doesn't get into the ugly route because we you don't need that. I'm just looking forward to this Sunday and happy Thanksgiving. You mentioned that browns game. That just made me smile. I mean that was just natural. I just smiled when he said that. Because while was that I watched that not too long ago when he's doing because McMillan and wife all those old games McMillan and wife Dot Com. It's amazing and I I was doing. That series throwback Thursday and I would do it in depth recap of the game and I. I watched that game and I was like. Oh Wow that was something at the end. That was a crazy crazy game one of my favorites of all time. I believe thirty. Six to thirty three was in the final Chris. Full Monty Mile I collapsed on the ground. For like a minute I was so I was so exhausted after that game. It so much fun. Of course they want us. What made fun at the end? But but that was just such a treat and you know what I had a guy I was at. I was living in West Virginia at at the time and I would go to One of my good friends Tom. Regan Great Steeler Fan. I'M GONNA go ahead and name drop them and We would go to his house all the time for the Games. He wasn't there that he was actually at the game. But this was the guy he wouldn't tell you he would not tell you if he wasn't going to be at the house because he didn't want you to not show up so I mean you knew you can get in. We'd go in at the time and watch the game. And we had a buddy from Cleveland that big Browns Fan Dan and he was. He called with about sixty seconds. Left to Brag. And we're like yes. Thank you and I just GonNa Komo thank you. You've just did it for us. You sealed the win. 'cause you never celebrate into derails sales on the clock and it was so surreal. Because even hines word score the touchdown at me to close. The stadium was like I don't know and then what's his name for. The browns dropped that would be would have picked up a first down pass on third down and then everybody just knew you just knew they were going to do it then you just knew they were going to score a touchdown that's definitely Well so I want. Everybody have a happy Thanksgiving but before I do that I wanna bring something up near and dear to my heart and I know map. Nineteen nineteen sixty three is is from the Johnstown area and we have other people from the Johnstown area. I've gotTA bring up my richland. Rams from from Johnstown Pennsylvania coach Brennan Bailey and that team there in the semifinals and they had a big win the other day in Chambers Berg Pennsylvania which I had a chance to go to and I did not make it. That was actually close enough to me but never in my wildest dreams would ever think the team would be this close again and they are. They weren't back in my days so go ramps and anybody in the Johnston area anybody from richland class awesome eighty nine and just like go richland. I would love to see them this weekend. Get A ticket to the final and I will talk. We'll talk about them like crazy because I love my richland Rams Blue and red. Let's go ramps so with that being said another. Let's go rams because Monday night football tonight. If you're watching this on Monday the Los Angeles Rams Baltimore Ravens. Let's go rams that not Anton Dun Dun Dun ten grand okay with that being said we still have here. We go steelers. Undermined remind a big game coming up next week. We'll talk about that more on the steelers preview. Which is actually going to be on Friday this week but don't don't forget standard standard? Don't forget the burning question. Don't forget the scofield static. Please don't forget any of them. This is our steeler community. We love having when you around and if you would keep us around all you have to do is hit like subscribe is free to do so. Just be a part of our steeler family family. I love you guys Tony. Happy Thanksgiving my. BTS's steeler family. Happy Thanksgiving enjoy Turkey. Don't have too much trip to fan because that's a big game at four thirty. I believe Let's go bills the thought. Excuse me. Let's go cowboys. went to so with that being said my friends the steelers won sixteen to ten day. They're six and five in sixth place and you my friends have just been Tony State with a over over good night.
#54 - Hold My Leash (Smosh Advice)
"The ramble were least how your feeling to that person about. Hey I want to be your friend. I really enjoy spending time with you. What what's up with this? Why do you keep blowing me off? Nothing wrong with hanging out with a couple. There's no such thing as necessarily being the third wheel when you're all adults just hanging out and having fun. It sounds like this person might not want to come to terms with it but you might be emotionally detached. If you're thinking about this because no the rockies eighty actual rock graphite sluiter. Lightning struck a boulder out of it. He Walk. If you're like a superhuman and you could hear really really well this could always hear people farting and how often in like you could probably hear so many disgusting sounds I think most superhumans would just go absolutely insane. Somebody's like gut just like row but then drives me nuts. When someone's like chewing gum stood up mouth open. Courtney was doing it for a bit the other yesterday during try not to laugh but even then I was like I wanted to hear that surround sound from like ten feet away from the like a cafeteria. Which is Gordon well? Hey howdy folks Welcome to the smash cast. Gosh it's been a while since I've spent hot Mon ben on here Today I am joined by the illustrious the elusive the illest Damien Haas and Mari Takahashi illustrious. Yeah we're the alumina. Naughty Triangle it Israel. It's funny we are as as most people saying smash Laura. We are the big three I said that the meeting when they said that we were going to be working together. It was like Oh the big three which I say about everything and then for some reason. That was the time people were like. Wow you just gave yourself like a title. No say this is another episode of the advice. Cast where you guys sent in your advice and we're going to give you the most expert advice that totally backed up. We Are Board Certified Expert Advice Givers but before we get to that I'm Ari. How are you and good when good? What have you been doing? Where even going? What's what crazy lands. Have you explored recently? Actually been local. Like I haven't gone anywhere lately and I think this year I'm really going to work on staying here. What is everywhere last jets hilarious. Because I feel like most people like I want to. Travel more yeah. I don't want to leave my house. Yeah I'm on a really great creative kick right now and I feel like I've been in a creative Rut for a while and it's a kind of a long story but something hit me in December i. I was following my mom around when she was doing her last nutcracker shows and I realized while falling around I really have not like done a good job. Documenting her and like Syrians this together and so I was following her around with the camera. Just because I wanted to like get these moments and it's something stuck in me where I'm like. I WANNA make content with my mom a yeah so I I've been on this creative kick since then. It's great yeah that was back in December and so. I'm excited for for doing stuff easier. What exactly are you? Are you filming with your mom. Is it like kind of like a figure out? Like who she is is a person. Yeah so I want it to be Daimiel this. It'll be an interview show but we'll be speaking Japanese with it titled Because Communicate or you can just guess what we're talking okay. So this is the part where they both are seen if they're caught up on the bachelor and who they like. I don't know this is where they fight and fight. Smiling can can papa Takahashi jumping for occasional like comedic relief. I really want to do a segment with him called. Bdo with dad which means beer with some beers with my dad. I don't even drink. You're not you're not a drink alcohol but I think I'll just maybe have not alcoholic beer and my dad can us? Yeah Yeah Yeah I love You Dad. He's a he's a character I really do. He's got to come by the studio. Who Want to look at all? This radio meant. Oh Yeah. Because he's a big Ham. Radio Guy is. Yeah it's got a ham shack in the house which is for Radio but just let me imagine what I think. That is for a moment. Just just for me. Hamshaw Ham radio is like you've just tuned to a random frequency. And then you hope that you get somebody else. That's on a ham radio and they could be completely on the other side of the world right and you know how my dad talks. He's just like how does this is you know he's just kind of like just really out there and super unabashed but he's really proud because he is If there's any emergencies that take out like telephone poles and stuff in our city or no in our county. My Dad's the go-to person that's cool and he's just I don't know if he's prepared but he like Really proud of it. That's really cool. Well that's all we need people like that. Oh yeah we need a terra. Yeah well everyone. We stand needs teacher. Well Okay let's Well Damian have you been? I've been pretty good. Thanks loops the flukes. Flukes are good. They were definitely happy to see me after tour They're going to be missing me once We were filming this right before we go to Australia Australia. So it's been. It's been a lot of fun the past month. But it's also been a lot of life maintenance. I haven't been really starting anything new because you know we're in between these long periods of travel so it's once again just been. I've got a couple of voiceover job one and doing tomorrow which is cool. Been doing the normal like we film some days I stream and then some days record voiceover additions than I go to bed like. It's very like business as usual right now. I think I think it's easy to kind of lose track of like all the things we're sort of doing when you're doing so much stuff and then and then if you're not doing anything it's like. Gosh. I wish I was doing something. Yeah no you're never going to find that balance but I think I think important to you know. Try to not let everything blow by acknowledging kind of the the awesome opportunities that we have and oh totally three is going to be awesome for sure. I sure hope I didn't come across that. I'm going to Australia like no. It's incredibly exciting. It's just you know when it becomes part of your day to day It is your day to day like I. I've been doing a lot of like a major cleaning of my room like I just want to feel more comfortable in space and I've started finding all this like video game merch kind of stuff that has just piled up. Some of it has isn't even open in our member being a teenager watching things like e three seeing a t shirt with the video game title on it. And I'm like I want that that's all I ever wanted like. That'd be so cool and now it's my day to day life and I'm like I need to start giving way to friends. I don't have room for all this stuff so it's like it's not like you're not grateful it's just like it becomes your life constantly adjusting that bar and sometimes it's hard to like just step away and look at where you are 'cause. I remember at the end of last year homage. Nothing this year like I was so down in the dumps and then I started writing like what I did last year and by the end of it. I had this list of like things that I you know moments that I that really meant a lot to me and You know accomplishments or whatever and then I look back and I'm panic gets stuck in my head like I feel like a do nothing and then if I actually right and I'm like okay. I did stuff. I think the tricky thing about that is. It's in a way you're superpower or like it's the superpower of a creative individual that actually gets to have creative job where like you're not satisfied with what you've done it doesn't feel that special right away so therefore you're always striving to do the next thing and do more and that's what pushes you actually do it. I feel like I would have a tendency to rest on my laurels. If I really sat down it was like. Wow what an awesome thing. I did last month and that was just last month. They've got all the time in the world like you know yeah. Yeah it's it's definitely a double edged sword it is. It's about that balance like you said. Maybe maybe it's impossible to find true balance between the two but I think you should always strive to do so. Yeah let's let's get to the. Let's get to the advising showy. Let's do advice. How do I fix a context that is screwing on? Abc switched around route. Clean OUT BARE hands. Stick your whole life context not anymore. I got sick like still still good. Still Redo it every forty five minutes. I hope not. Because it's a horrifying search or some deteriorates I know with with Ryan Higa. Yeah he was lying about it. Who's lasix starting to like? Get a little Sasso Mines Gadston. That's good. I've I've been thinking about sorry anyway. This first one comes from super super s superstitious chain. Zip prest Super Shane They said I'd really frustrating conversation with a friend about him not voting yesterday. How can I help encourage him without being a total butthole? I think a lot of people get so caught up with the they think voting is just voting for the next president And voting is so much more than that. Is You know your local elections. It's your local council members. It's I mean the big ones the things that are most important to me like the propositions of like you know we want to build a road here or oh we want to fund schools more. Oh we wanna you know do this. And this and that. And those are the things that encouraged me to go out and vote because actually feel like I can have a say in my community voting for president. Some people feel very disaffected. Because they're like. Oh well you know electoral college. I can California. They're like well. It's not really GonNa make that much of a difference. I still think people should vote for who they want to be president. Yeah that's very important. But what's what's you know even more important as things at the local level things that things that actually will affect you for instance In two thousand eight There is a proposition called property which you may remember Mary which wanted to ban gay marriage in California and It actually passed Banning gay marriage because like everyone thought like there's no way that's GonNa pass and they didn't vote. There was a very. There's a very large campaign funded largely by a certain organization. Check fillet no you're getting. You're getting warm so I think a lot of people just kind of went along with it and there was a lot of these commercials and they kind of seem to be alluded to like. Oh what if there's like like gay parents like you don't want your game you don't want gay parents spreading gay the gay agenda and all this. The sanctity of marriage was a huge debate of like well. If it's not you know if it's not sacred any more than what is marriage than your marriage to man and a woman means nothing now and there's a lot of literal contract with. Oh Yeah. Oh Yeah I remember. I remember some people being like well. We're just going to let two men. Mary what's next? We're GONNA marry our dogs. Yes like no man. Is that something you actively wanting to do? And if so we should talk about that but how do you? How do you deal with that and explain those kind of things to people and not be a jerk about it? My thought would be you straight up. Just don't be a jerk about it like don't let yourself get too emotional and upset as talking to you every like if you're trying to convince someone they're throwing it like things that you like doesn't matter give them a counterpoint as calmly as possible and be like what do you think about that. What I've just said and if there said no as just being like well no no. I just know. It doesn't matter. Then maybe that's a wall. You CAN'T BUDGE. But my thought about it is then afterwards That friend is not allowed to complain about literally. Anything ever again be like a president or a situation. Or they're like man there's a pothole in this road and you have to look at them and be like shut up like he cooks for measure. M. Well that's the potholes. No sorry that's literally. I had a lot of conversations for the last presidential election. Like it's it's a matter of you know people are like well. It's not gonNA matter. It's not like I don't I don't like either person I'm like well then shut up forever. Shut up forever. I think things are so politically charged right now. Ways really heavily on people as soon as you start talking about or your voting. Are you not voting? People feel really defensive all of a sudden it's kind of like you know talking about really charged things like religion or your lifestyle. It's like you're asking somebody to do something that they had not done before. If you go at it in a in an attack full way. They're going to run away and ultimately that's not what we want. I think you're really right. We have to empower people to understand that they have the power to make a difference. And I think for me. It took a long time. I'd I'd always voted since I was eighteen. But until I started really like like marching around like Congress in Washington. Dc like talking to legislators which. I never thought that I had any sort of responsibility. Power nor like audacity to do. I didn't realize just how much power we do have. Citizens elected officials who work really for their people and for their constituents and for us. And I think if that's the conversation you can have with people know the power is in your hands. You get to do this choice and you make changes. I think that's a better conversation than like. Why aren't you doing it? You know you're responsible enough. And if they're not convinced we we should. Just you know ship those people to a country where your voice isn't heard. Yeah those still sure. Yeah Yeah I mean we. I think we take it for granted that's true. I think you brought up a good point by saying everything is so politically charged. Nowadays between like the multiple sides are just two sides. It's sort of now more than ever become like a team sport where it's no longer you don't even know what you think about a certain topic until you hear. What is my team? Think yes? That's what my team and I think that to like people. I'd have so much more respect for politics. In general if people would take a specific talk topic and talk about both sides and let you sort of figure out what you think but now it's literally about like. Hey vade WanNa take this from you. We got a beat them and it's like well they want to turn everything into this. We gotta beat them and nobody's actually talking about fixing anything like it must suck to grow up right now and think. Oh that's what politics are of course your solution. That doesn't make any sense so it's a good idea to remind them. Hey this is what it's actually about like you were saying but it's also but it's also more than just it's more than just the president it. It's IT's your Congress People. It's representatives like Sorry senators it's here representatives like it's that is so in a Lotta ways more important than the fresher because they're the ones that are passing the bills laws the president can they have rights. Allah. Yeah and then and then the Senate says in the Senate and the house they say yes or no to it. It's so much more important to vote on things beyond the presidency and I know a lot of people. Just get really hyper focused on like no. It's the big guy at the top it's like malt government is is structured in a way that you know as long as we keep voting and as long as we keep staying engaged in politics and and staying engaged as citizens. We can't lose it but but the thing is we have to stay engaged. And we have to stay informed. I think it's really easy for it to feel too big to change. There's a John Mayer Song and like the it's called the audience wonderland close waiting on on the world. That's right and it's like it feels too big to actually make any impact that you just kinda sit back like someone else will take care of and young and that's that's how you lose your freedoms democracies really fragile and we have to always keep fighting to keep it and the moment we stop fighting to have the rights that we have right now we can. We can lose it very quickly so I think as long as I mean. I think it's it's kind of A. It's our responsibility to stay. Informed last piece of advice lead by example. You'RE NOT GONNA change that person but you can lead by example all right. Let's move onto. Something has a much happier Melissa Joyce said would you stay or leave a ten year relationship even if you love the person so much but you're not as happy like you used to or do you think there's a way to make things work? That's your thank you shit. Well Mari. I mean you're the only person that that made it past a ten ten year mark almost march fifteenth will be our tenure got married on the ides of March now eating. We got married April fifth but our ten year got it is march by what is that. What's the IT's a? It's a thing. Where the. Beware the ides of March. And it's woman Julius. Oh all right. I'm not Greek is Julius. Caesar Shakespeare Romano. I don't know Shakespeare or the ides of March. I half a theater degree so my previous relationship. I was in for seven and a half or eight and a half. I forget which one I think it was eight and a half and we were on track to get married do the whole. Shebang and walking away from that relationship was surprisingly the easiest thing because I was emotionally detached for so long and it sounds like this person might not want to to come to terms with But you might be emotionally detached if you're thinking about this if you're not happy that's a really really good time to readjust and re caliber and I think it's really scary when you've been in a relationship for that long because there's so much pressure everyone around you your whole life. Everyone knows you as you with this person there is probably you know just so much history behind it and without it you feel like you can't stand up on your two two legs but you can people's life is too short. I say that life is too long for you to be unhappy. Well that's good. I I would say though that this person says you know even if you love the person so much but you're not as happy like used to be so it's like are you to be expected to just be like super happy forever with this with this person or do. The benefits outweigh the negatives. You know what I mean like. I'm Kinda I I don't really sit on either side of this because I because I can see both I can see both sides like I. I feel like after ten years. You're sort of objectives. Might also change in a relationship like maybe you're madly in love with this person. You were obsessed with you. Know something about them and then over those years things change. They changed you changed. Is it so much about being as happy as possible? Always like that's we all know. That's not possible. Well but you should. You should strive for it though. I'd say right like the very fact that you're asking this question means that you are not happy where you're at right now. So at the very least that should be your goal to change somehow. Whether with this person not with this person. I'm like you. It could go either way. I think the important thing is if you're recognizing this for yourself. It might be a good idea to as hard as it is communicated and maybe saving go to couples counseling. See Guys WanNa work through that together because you do deserve to be as happy as you can be If something lies within your power to change and if there's no change that happens then you go from there. It's not the craziest thing in the world to leave a ten year relationship. I would assume it's like you said you've you've built your life with this person. All the memories you have of recent years involve them to see. Don't necessarily know who you are outside of that but like you're not happy right now. That sucks and I think you can still love a person for the rest of your lightly and that's something we don't hear often enough Or it's like you can. You can love all of your past. You know people that you've been with it doesn't take away anything from the current status of anything. I I a a truly believe that but it's scary to think it that way as well so you'll have to define like what you're looking for relationship wise because like I'll I'll be honest. I'm pretty like classic guy like I would like to be married one day and it would be nice to have that partner forever but at the same time we are sort of conditioned like that's a social thing to be like you will marry one person and be with them forever and that's what that's not necessarily how we're wired all the time. Not some people might be but some people aren't so sometimes if you have a partner for ten years that's fantastic. What an awesome ten years. Thank you for that gift but like trying to conform your happiness to you. Know I've been with you for ten years. And that's the normal maybe detrimental figure out what relationship? Ideally would look like to you. I don't know yeah recalibrating. What that happy is you know. It's labor it every single day. Then it's something that that can change or NFL can't then. It might be time to make that hard decision sauce. Okay to be alone to normal Where we're at a time. Were rewriting. Everything about social constructs were what relationships were. What jobs were literally rewriting everything? This generation is bananas taking everything just being like no wiping it clean. We're starting over And so and if you don't WanNa be alone it's just a swipe of a foam. Yeah it's it's kind of. It's kind of crazy. Yeah is literally if you don't WanNa be alone right now for the next hour than it's a swipe of a of a phone right like it's I. It is the freedoms that were never talked about a loud. It was always just this Stigma to it and so. Don't be afraid to rewrite it. Ten years is a long time. And IT'S A it's a time to cherish. That's a good one. That's a good run but I mean yeah it's it's not really about the length if you're not if you're not happy if you're not completely happy. I just people people define happiness and fulfilment in different ways if you know if you have a kid like maybe maybe that's where the happiness is directed towards or not towards your partner. I mean assuming my friend about like is a forever relationships something something that we think is is possible and they were talking to their friend. Who's WHO's married with a kid and like about like passion between partners and if that's important and and the the woman is like no not really like we have our child and that's and that's the focus and we understand that and like we we we get along great and like it's great but like the passion between us is not important to us. Sure and I'm just like WHOA. Yeah so I mean things shift when you have a child. Maybe sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Sometimes people are just shitty parents too but again I think you can draw that back to like you define what a relationship with your desires. What everything is to you Also I think it's very important to know that The ides of March thing could have also come from King. Lear oedipus I forget thank you. Beware the sexy mom. Yeah let's oedipus yeah all right well that's GonNa make no sense for anyone that doesn't know but had that that was it right. It was like guys attractive. Mom Okay Well. Yes and no. He was tricked into like he was abandoned as a baby due to a prophecy that he would like screw a bunch of things up and then found by different couple and then Became king through doing that and Married the current Queen and then it turns out. Oh that's the couple abandoned him so he ended up accidentally marrying his mom View that as bet type of theaters like all about punishment by the gods and all that stuff because of all these things but God timeline doesn't work the same ways. People timeline is so he was punished for getting together with his mom and the punishment was being abandoned by a baby and then having stab out. His is later so literally sits goofing. Leads to the thing. It's kind of like back to the future a little bit. The punishment led to the thing that he did that made him be punished. And that's the logic of the gods cannot run away from destiny. Doc Brown's destinies pretty good keep updating the game. That's what I thought desk band. She had a kid Giovanni kid they formed the band. Destiny's way talking about I don't know we're stuck in a bit onto the next Cleveland in Denver's D'Amato said one of my friends have been blowing me off for a few months and talks to me less which obviously upsets me. But I'm always happy when talking to her and don't want to end the friendship. What should I do Communication I think most times when people ask advice the advice the answer is always communication First of all your friend might need some space and it's okay to give your friend from some space but it's also okay if you're comfortable enough the front in the friendship to check in about it and be like. Hey you know. I've noticed I've seen a little bit less lately. I would love to see more if that's okay and also if you want a little space whatever but just know that if there's something I'm doing and you WanNa talk about it. I'm always here like in meaning that earnestly don't say it with any expectation of you have to come back and fix this problem. Just let them know like. Hey this is where I'm at. It's simple as that. I think it's it's also one of the hardest things to be like. Here is my gift to you. I expect nothing back because we're human. So it's it's it's it's trial and error and I think for me. I didn't really start communicating with people until very late in my life like it just wasn't a part of my mo of like growing up you know communication with my parents was like. I was told what to do and I do what I do and so. I grew up with that for a long time where I justin communicate and so you know everyone's very different with where that were that is so take it day by day. I think it's also like I don't know how long this person's been friends with with this person but people change and you don't. You're not required to stay friends with somebody. And if and if that person is less interested in being your friend and doesn't WanNA spend the time with you. Then maybe take a hint and and and say like okay like here. Is this where I'm thinking? This is where we're at like like. Are we not really friends anymore? Because that's kind of what the sounds like. Sounds like this person's way more into their friends than their friends into them and if their friend is not giving them the time then forget about not forget about. Yeah but again. I think that's a fair point though but that also brings me back to like if that's where you're at in. The friendship really is ending because that person wants their space then at this point you don't really have anything to lose by checking in and be like. Hey Shirt let's clear the air And worst case scenario is they voiced that and then you don't have to wonder anymore. It's the same thing when people are like. I don't know whether or not to ask out my crush. I'm like well. You're miserable right now. Check in Nevada. I think communication is a superpower. I was like I was at an event and people are like really taken aback by like I wasn't at an event recently where Ended up running into this guy where like we had like a little bit of like minor say beef but there was just a little bit of like weird energy between us from the last time. I'd seen him. This is like Oh weird how you said that. Nah We didn't really connect on this thing so I literally just like when I saw him. I was just like hey man. Last time we saw each other this happened in this happened. Like won't say no hard feelings and it was literally moment of. Oh yeah that's where this was coming from and that's what this is coming from. We ended up talking for like an hour. And just being buddy about it like it's so hard to mentally break down those barriers letting yourself no that that something you can do but that's something you can do and people are like shocked when you just talk. Yeah it's I mean some. Some of the most growth comes from having an uncomfortable conversation like you have to have those uncomfortable conversations. If you want any sort of like this is this is clearly bothering this person's so yeah just to have the conversation and if they're like yeah Than I feel like if you if you always tackle things especially communication with a level cool head and don't try to put too much pressure on anybody else. Basically be like is good version of yourself as possible in that. Then you don't even have anything to lose in terms of reputation like if you were just like really like to talk about this in that person goes like did you hear such and such tried to talk about their Razi. Like that's not something that's going to happen. Also don't expect complete honesty from from the person in front them because if somebody confronted me like hey like we're not really friends. It's really hard to be I. I wouldn't I wouldn't expect the person be completely honest back but to at least voice. How your feeling to that person about? Hey I wanna be your friend. I really enjoy spending time with you. What what's up with this? Why do you keep blowing me off? Like at least put it out there. Put Your cards out there and see. See what they throw back. Yeah and just make sure you're not accusatory either like you have been canceling plans just like. I feel like we haven't seen each other as much if there's something you WanNa talk about. I'd love to. There's a lot more people out there. That will probably treat you right. It's hard to divorce friends. It really is but it's time you know if they're not giving you the respect and the time of day and the knock calling you back in Texas can you back. Then it's difficult but there's plenty of other people out there. Plenty of fish. Fish should be Brazilian. Speaking of Plenty of Fish Aussie ZOMBIES S. How do you break up with a girl? And the nicest way possible Well I think I think this is something that that I've kind of learned over overtime. Like don't don't think of yourself as like like oh but I want to be like the nicest person like oh I have to like come out being like the good guy. It's more about just being honest and if you want to break up with somebody just break up with them. Be Honest about about how you feel and say like. This isn't working for me. Obviously like yeah. Don't be an Asshole. But you can't be vague fry for the sake of being nice like don't don't think of yourself as like this nice like oh but I have to be the good guy like yeah. That's not really possible you you have to Be version of yourself that you can be proud of as kind as possible would be as straightforward as possible. But you also have to remember it's a break-up and if the other person still wants to be in relationship there's not a single version of how you can say a thing where you can do it when you can do it. That's GonNa make them stoked about it right. It's sort of like how do I tell someone their loved one passed in a way that they're actually gonNA be Super Chill with it like you can't. It's a really hard thing and you're starting grieving process for them. So do what you can be as honest as possible and then move on because you know. It's IT hurts breakup suck. It's going to hurt the person a little bit but you can't stay forever just because you don't WanNa have that conversation. I remember my friend. Didn't break up with his girlfriend at the time for like six months because the girl was going through a hard time she was having like she had like her exams at school. And all these things and so. He kept making excuses for continuing the relationship because he wanted to be the nice person and not put on more stress for her and then years later I realized that wanting to be nice is more selfish than anything you like. You said you want to be seen as the Nice guy or the nice girl. And that's why you're not doing the hard thing but I think it's important to remember not how you think you would want to be treated by how you think that that person wants to be treated and that person probably wants honesty. Not a sham relationship for X. amount of months because you're trying to be nice guy. You're not doing them a favor by pretending to still be happy and I'm sure those six months in that relationship were probably not that great rhino. Like it's just like then just being miserable like oh but I should do is now a good time like super selfish. Your string you're you're screwing that person over like six months of their life of that sort of process that they're going to have to go through much later. That's yeah it's not easy. We acknowledge that it's not easy. But you gotta do it. Goes back to communication right. I think a lot of these answers are going to be just communication and and you know like we we've gone through a good amount of our life and it's still hard we still like still. It's still a thing where it's like. It's not the immediate action you have to. You're like okay as you communicate this all right. I'M GONNA put myself up to communicate here. We go we're GONNA communicate. And then you know you. You bust out the question. But you know it's it's a it's a journey and I think everyone goes through it. The break-up might not be a list of things that they did wrong. It might just be a feeling I feel this gut feeling and and you don't have to be prepared with a list of reasons in excuses of why you WANNA break up. It's this doesn't feel like something that I can continue And this doesn't feel right to me like it's okay to to end something on a feeling this goes back to the ten year relationship one too but a lot of the times. I had a hard time Letting go relationships because I felt like I failed like I. I like there was something wrong with me that I couldn't keep a relationship together like I had done something terribly wrong than I need to. Continue trying to fix it and fix it and fix it. And it's okay to not be able to fix something else especially. I think it's just so human to want to be like no you know like I can I can. I can put it back together. And it's a thing that holds together and it's beautiful and sometimes it's okay just leave it Speaking of fixing things Jordan Ronald Asked if you're in the same job with the person who was a bully in highschool. Would you be friends with or not? How do you do it in this situation? Wow I mean I think it's also like a thing where it's like. How many years out of high school is this? I mean people. People are entirely different people from high school out Like I would. I would give the person a chance. I guess. But that's tough if they're just like a big piece of shit in high school I would say You're not required to be friends with somebody at a job. And in many cases it could be detrimental. And if you already know that they were a Bali. I don't know you don't need to be you. Don't need to be friends with somebody at work. It also depends. I think on what kind of bullying we're talking about. Bullying of any kind is not okay. But there's some people that like actively go out of their way to ruin your life and be like. Hey what's up? Whatever nickname I've come up for you know for you every single day and then they like push you down or there's someone who's just like that dude was kind of weird to me in high school. I would consider them a bully. Sometimes the latter don't realize they're doing it. Teenagers are just awful in so many ways and so for that very reason if it's that kind and they weren't actively going out of their way to Ruin Your Life. I would give them a chance like you said at the same time like you like you said he in. It's okay to not be friends with people at your job. But I think the thing I would want to avoid is treating them a little bit less properly than you would with another employee because then it falls on you unfortunately like if you say to someone job. Why are you treating a Greg Williams awe well? He bullied me in high school. Yeah you're gonNA come across as like Okay okay do we need to talk about this with? Hr like it's unfortunate but sometimes bullies. Don't always get what's coming to him. You just have to be as you can only control yourself in that situation and I think you know that they found a lot of bullies are bullies because of things that are going on back at home Scher maybe. They escaped a great environment after high school. You know maybe they're better people. Maybe they've come to terms with their behavior they've improved and I think it's I think it's good to give somebody the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't mean you immediately have to forgive them because like I know when someone is mean to you in high in does whatever they do that affects you forever like it really does and it it sticks with you but you do have control over what you do now and hopefully. Hopefully they've changed somehow. That's a difficult tricky one. I think it's just a an exercise of can you rise above it. Can you lead by example? Can you be bigger than that that you know that event and then experience in that person and can you lead with compassion? It's hard I mean. We're not all the Dalai Lama like I think it's an exercise and think it's new onset because we don't understand what the relationship is like now but just know that there are layers and you know who knows. Maybe that person feels really guilty about it and they are ready to communicate and say sorry just yet so there's probably a lot of layers to it that interesting now. What if our next tweet is like? Hey how do I apologize to CO worker? Who used to bullying high school? Like that's an interesting thought and it goes back to communication asking the hard question. All your life's problem. Surprisingly a lot of these are just solved with just being honest and communicating. I mean that's that's most problems in this. Gosh darn world. What can we take from that though? Like the fact that everybody's problems are so different but it all boils down to that one thing like how do you day-to-day work on that as a muscle and build that like I'm honestly asking will? Here's here's one that may be can't be fixed with communication The Hanna Hanna. 'em Bunch of numbers. This one's funny funny for me. I'm constantly third wheeling one of my best friends and his girlfriend and it's really uncomfortable like literally right now. I'm just sitting on my phone while they are canoed alling help. I think we can gauge from this question that you are most likely in high school and if not then your friends are a little bit immature. Nothing wrong with hanging out with a couple. There's no such thing as necessarily being the third wheel when you're all adults you're just hanging out and having fun but if they're just like hey. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. That's gross in weird so it might be who've you to communicate that you would love that your time with them is oh what was a know. Nothing asare you looked like a Bush baby. No it might. It might be who've you to Communicate that when you're with them you'd love it to be a little bit more involved for everybody and then you'll give them more space and more time for them to be on their own when that time comes but again if you're on the younger side they may not take that properly they're gonNA be like. Can you believe Hannah? She's acting so crazy. I'm sorry I don't know. I wish I had more for this. I just started talking. I think it's it's it is good advice that it's like does better. I feel like I've been a third wheel in many many dates and it doesn't feel like the date in me like it feels like three people hanging out. They might be in a relationship. But it's not like they're making out in front of me and so yeah like you said that's an adult three wheel relations. Less I went to Japan. It was with Kevin and his wife Lacy in me and it wasn't like Oh yeah I'm going with my buddy and his wife. It was like three friends. And that's an tollway to do things. I mean Yeah Lacey. Lacey was the third wall now on. Let's be real well. We holding hands but then at a at a point at a point you broke off right. But it wasn't because they were like smooch in and being like highlighting bear like is because I desperately enjoy my alone time and you wanted to explore the world alone. Incredibly safe country Maybe Hannah if you if you think this is uncomfortable maybe you should just stop. Third Wheeling like they. Maybe they don't have a problem with it. But if you're if you're uncomfortable by it you don't need to hang out with them when they're both together like if you wanna just hang out with your friend be like. Hey what are you doing today? And he's like oh I'm hanging out with my girlfriend would probably gonNA like connubial for watching moving noodle. You're like okay cool. Just let me know when you WanNa hang out just like you and me like if you WanNa do something just you and me be like all you know if it's like the three of us is in my intruding. Do you guys want a little bit of space yet? Maybe they're like newly dating so they're just like all over each other and I love you know I love you and yeah I don't WanNa be around for that. Of course I'm going to be reminded of my my singleness Yucky. They're smooching. The ultimate advice is to get yourself a partner and out canoed all your friends now. No no no noodle him and that's coming from licensed marriage and family counselor in thin from smart shots right okay. So here's this. Here's this one on the dating world. Whoa Alex. Fatima said I just got a dating APP for the first time. And I'm not that great at condos any advice take it away my dude Semari. You've never used a dating before because the Internet didn't exist when you started dating Peter now sixty four years ago when we started dating. I now didn't exist. Time ageless being. That's the new lower around more time. Lord time would Damian have you Yeah actually I was in a two and a half year relationship of the girl that I met on tinder and that I've used dating a little bit but never went on more than a couple dates with any girl that I met on there So it was literally either the longest relationship ever had or dislike. That didn't go anywhere that nothing against them. It's it's tricky to get a conversation. Started for sure I think for me. It's like if the conversation starts. If you know you. Connect with the person make little funny conversation. Whatever but really like. Get down to like core values for for me. It's like Kinda get a couple of things out of the way but I don't WanNa have a a thirty thirty lake message long conversation. If I think that their values sort of lineup than I just WanNa meet them interesting conversation over Texas. Not a real conversation. I agree and you can't get a real feel for the person until you actually meet them face to face. I think that's a that's a big issue. Some people just continue to taxed on there and then they meet the person and then they have all these like sort of like preconceived notions of who person is or may or. Maybe they're like well. I already put this much time into it so I need to like see it out interests like no. You just need to like go. Just make the conversation of shortest possible and be like hey do you wanna meet up like. Do you want to get some coffee? Do you want to get a drink? Do you WANNA get some food. Do you WanNa do this. Whatever just pick something and just set a date. That's really interesting because I hearing that. Now that makes total sense in like looking back at the time of dating APPs. I'm like Oh yeah. I probably should have done that but at the same time I always feel like for the safety of both parties like I imagine especially as a woman being on the Internet being like hope. This guy's not a murderer. Whatever like jumping into that quickly like do you WanNa meet up like how do you not come across spooky? Will you you pitch a public place? Well yeah I I mean like I'll generally I've I've left it up to the woman to decide where I'm like Mike. Do you WANNA do like. I always pick a coffee in case there. You know drink sounds a little too you know. There's an implication exactly Mnuchin women are dumb like they. They can do their own research like if they want like. I've I've gone on dates with with girls that are like Oh yeah I looked you up to like. Make sure you weren't a psycho like okay. Yeah like I think. That's that's just what you have to do. Although there have been a couple of people that have like we can go to this place near near my place. Just show up at my place and we'll just walk over there and it'd be like hey don't do that. That's safe because you don't know who I am like I could be a I could be a creep and you just give me your address. Don't so that's the biggest advice I can give Ladies and men don't give a stranger your address that's very true you don't know who they are released their the murderer and they're trying to lure you in. Yeah no that's true but I didn't go into third place. I stayed outside like that's funny. This looks an awful lot like an abandoned warehouse. And they're like yeah. I get that hipster right anyway. Come on the I think for me like it also weeds out the people that aren't serious about about it like some people. They're just playing a game on apps like they just want to have the conversation and get the endorphin rush of like who this person injury. So there's been times when I had like a fun. Little teeny tiny conversation. I'm like hey let's meet up and then silence on my cool. Actually the one bit of advice that will actually is great advice. The one bit of Advice. I can also contribute from my limited time on dating. Apps is whatever stigma you have about dating apps like don't people just want to always hook off. People always wanted whatever there's every type of person on dating APPS and they all want different things and something will line up with what you want. Yes there are people at only one hookups. But if that's not what you want also the people there who are like maybe just like you like. They've never had a dating APP before their friends are like come on. Bethany just download tend to for a minute okay. Maybe I'll meet someone nice and then you're both. They're being like hi. This is so weird right. I don't know but you would both be. Ideally like a relationship like someone exactly like you is on their. Don't be afraid of recognizing when someone's going to want something different and moving on. That's that's the thing enough. It don't fit get Oldfield on now. Gale I'm ready for Australia. England in it. Would you'll hippie turn love and I don't know early days in an love island. Yes Australia so nat V. Ninety seven asked how to motivate yourself to go back to the Jim. I used to go a lot. Currently I haven't gone in five months. I need to go back there myself. I think a big a big part of its building routine like like. She said she used to go a lot and she hasn't gone five months. It's it's so much like once you start going and you build a routine for yourself as humans were very like habitual kind of routine animals so once you once you kind of start to build that. I think it's a lot easier to go if you just commit to going for a lot of people eating better. Also encourages like that cycle of of going to the gym as well. That's me at this. I'm at the same point where like I was traveling going on dates instead of going to the gym. So I've I've been I've been out of. I've been out of the loop as well. We gotta get back to the Jim Bo. You GotTa do it my dude. Because that's the thing like everything Ian Just said you know. The answer did that all make sense. Everyone's like eat better sleep. Well go to the gym but like there's advice that you hear and you're like yeah. I know but sometimes you actually have to let yourself here. It like really you have to in that moment be like. Hey right in this exact moment. I have the power to go to the gym. I am tired. I don't feel like I had a good meal. I had such a long day at work in that moment. That is the time where you have to do it. How do you start going back to the Jim? You do it once because once you show yourself await I can go. Even though I'm tired I can go even on a little bit hungry and my tummy's a little off like that's when you get back into the routine and it is very much a routine. I used to be at the point. Where if I missed the gym a couple days a week. I would be like I feel awful. It sucks now. I haven't been in the gym in a few months and I have no problem with it but I just need to decide. Hey today's the day I go. Maybe today maybe after work today. We're GONNA film like seven videos today. I'm going to be so tired but that's always going to be my life so I'm just GonNa go. I think also find a gym buddy. Find a friend that that is in the same position as you know one goes. Jin like find somebody. That can hold you accountable. If you're GonNa find the Gym Buddy. You don't have to like workout next to them. Just be like hey meet you there this time great. Maybe I'll pick you up. Maybe you'll pick me up. Just go there. You don't have to see each other While you're there you just need to get there and once you're there you kind of have to workout. Shane and I used to go to the gym. And it was so much easier. Now you'll be like. Oh Yeah I'll see there are four and then we would never work out together. 'cause Lord knows he's way stronger than I am but it would still be this moment like I said well I'm going to get back to my set also. The Gym isn't the only way to get exercise. Anne Marie obviously you haven't said anything yet and I know that there's a lot you can say because you've done a lot of different things but it's you know I don't know if you live near the Ocean but surfing is like probably one of the best workouts you can get rock climbing aerial. You know there. There's a million different ways of getting of getting an excess pole dancing and you could speak to all those things. It's really about finding your sort of like flow like finding something that you're that you're excited to do. And maybe you just haven't found that specific thing. Yeah because the Jin is something. I hate the gym. I absolutely despise it. I get so bored within minutes. I feel like I don't know what to do with Kettle Bell. If someone's not telling me what to do with it I have to play like that's the trick myself into working out and that's me and everyone's different there. There are people who can go to a gym and be like all right. I'm doing twenty five sets of Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and. They know they have a regimen. And if you work that way work that way if you don't there's so many other options you can get just try out a class here and there. Maybe you were going to really like Like exercise hip hop classes. Maybe you just WanNa go on tick tock and find a ton of dance videos and do it that way. Maybe you just want do just stands you know. Maybe you just WanNa do ten pushups ten birdies in the morning. It takes less than five minutes and that is a start but I think it's a journey in you don't like we've all been on very different journeys and you know for me. I went from dancing eight to ten hours every single day. All except for weekend so like six days a week to an extremely sedentary life when I was at Smash Games and I was perfectly happy just sitting around for eight to ten hours at work and now I've found a balance where I sit around and play video games a lot still at home. I like to move. I just I want to and sometimes if I don't WanNa go you know like workout work out then. I'll go to a park the school and then there's a jungle gym and it makes you really tired after like ten minutes on. Donald Jim But yeah it depends on the type of person you are. Sometimes you know if you're a really analytical and strategic you can just print out like a a regimen and just stick by that and it'll be dope I'm I'm on this like Colt fix for place called F forty five right now because they don't have a mirror you just work out to like a W- like the yourself. I can't hate it looking at yourself at the gym. I don't That's the whole point of going to the gym. Seems sort of like check yourself on the Mir a little bit human years of ballet is looking at myself. Djing actually can imagine Kevin. What's your workout advice? You're the shredder for multiple hours. Workout advice is the body knows always listened to the body so when you go. You're going hard if it feels like. You don't need to go as hard. Don't go as hard because you don't want to hurt yourself And form over weight yes. That's the Big Corn. Form is so big 'cause you could go lift weights but if you're form as bad you'll break your body Case in point example I I just Devoted my weight's recently because my form I felt was off so I'm not lifting as heavy as I was but my form is on point. Hell Yeah Hell you do. I think that is a that is a big thing. A lot of people especially people that are getting back into working out there like I need. I need to lose weight. I need to get writ. And they just go frigging hard for like a week. And then they injure themselves do stop working on the News said Yep Yep Yeah I think I think we're all we've all kind of been there. We go a little. We get a little too excited. We want immediate results and we're not thinking we're not thinking instead of like. I need to look hot by summer you like. I think it's probably more. I think it's probably better to think. I want to be mobile at sixty. Yeah you know like I WANNA be. I WANNA be able to still be able to run not have bad knees when I'm sixty. I WANNA be able to travel. When I'm seventy like we should be thinking longevity. Just the long game not I need to have gigantic biceps and be able to lift a car with you. It's not how you look. We should be thinking about. How do we feel that's true? That's true and you know even if you do have a little bit of vanity goal along with that. That's only human. It's only natural but it all comes with it. You can have it all by focusing on the health and how you feel if you feel healthy odds are you're probably gonNA look a little bit more healthy as well. But I want to look like J. Lo at fifty dude right. She's a dancer she has. No the rockies eighty Rosen actual. Rock IS GRAPHITE SUITOR. Lightning struck a boulder in out of it. He walked he was so that does it for the advice castle. WanNa finish off the The podcast with a fun little thing that work on shoot dude where you guys have submitted some stories that may that make go shoot dude So this one comes from a former. Spencer's employing them. It's going to read this one. Spencer is the store. The store answers gifts so Spencer's gifts. If those that aren't are not in the know is like a novelty store has a lot of gag gifts just silly stuff also like lava lamps and everything. That's lava lamp adjacent circle plate. That has like lightning going across. If you press it. It's like oh the lightning's going to my finger it's like VAT store irreverent shirts like your mom's hot daisies. Mom's got going on. It's also the place that you know as family went to and thought it was funny to have their little tiny toddler. Daughter Suck on like a penis lollipop. Oh yeah they thought it was funny. Oh Nice family each anyway. So this person used to work at Spencer's So they goes like this so the story begins a few years ago when I was but a naive twenty two year old working at Spencer's gifts as a manager. I was by myself. When a woman walks in with a man on a leather dog leash casualty trailing behind her to say that was caught off. Guard is an understatement. But Hey I'm not one. I guess to kink shame says the man on a leash. I don't know if he's on all fours but I'm assume he was. Their visit was pretty normal until it came time to pay when the woman said. Oh I forgot my wallet. Would you care to watch him for me while I went to the car and grab it and proceeded to hand me the leash? Everything went in slow motion in my head. I thought customers are always right and I just said sure and I took it from her so she took the leash so now she is in possession of a man in a leash. Then she goes on to say She left and this man is just staring me down. Not Saying a word but I can't stand the silence. I offer him some cookies advice the register. That's when more customers decided to walk in. They get up to the register. And all these me holding a man's leash while he gives me a what the fuck you're crazy. Look while I'm feeding him Orios. I have zero filter and tell these ladies. If you give me a minute to tie 'em up I can be right with you. That's that's really funny. Needless to say they didn't want help and left because that's the normal thing to do in that situation. The man's owner comes back soon and after comes back soon after and thanks me for watching him and asked if he was good like he was her poodle. I tell her he was because I wasn't GonNa lie to her and he was very well behaved because my experience with Leeann is limited and I thought he was. You're not supposed to give orioles two poodles. That's true who's cleaning that up Look that's a great story. That's a Bagel shoe dude. I'm not one for King Shaming but don't makes someone else do something don't make them to new my my man pet. Yeah it's like you're the DOM now wow How your retail sucks Really take away. We can have working retail. So Yup biggest. Spencers store is probably the best place that that could have happened hot topic or hot topic. Yeah I walgreens and you're like Oh this is happening now I like. I hate the obsession with the customer's always right because that's never been used to anyone's advantage craft like. It's literally like when I worked retail. This woman was trying to return shoes at a stain on them. That were like two years old and she was literally just constantly like well. I'm customer's always right. I demand speech corporate on the phone. It was like Karen Energy Times. A thousand we need to get rid of the customer's always right policy. It's like hey maybe sometimes they're wrong and maybe it's okay to look at customer and the eyes and say hey. I'm not doing that. And then they don't have power to do anything and when they call corporate corporate goes you were going to try to make them hold a man on a leash. Maybe don't do that. You piece of garbage slater said yes. I would have held them just for the story. No I'm just. I'm just too nice to say no I would say to hold us. I don't know if I'd feed him oreos though that's really funny. I think I would just ask what's going on. I would be like sure I can hold i. Can I can do that for you and be like so she your mom. What's this like you know I? I think I would just ask questions. Yeah I would say I are. Store has this. Is I understand that if this is your service animal. You're going to need to take them with you because if they're not with you they're no longer a vest and they wear the like now. I'm on duty. Well that was the advice cast. Let us know if you guys want to see more of this also The next time we do it please submit your advice. Questions Murray Damian. Thank you so much for for delivering some wonderful advice. You got it if somebody ever hands you a leashed person maybe not doing that and also if you want to submit your shoot dudes all do is email shoot dude at smash dot com. Got More Weird people unleash stories? Yeah too bad. We already started there. Where is this second? GonNa be like you gotta shoot dude submit it all right. Well thank you so much My favorite coffee still exists. Get some because it's still delicious. As all HECK SMASH DOT store get all the new sort of Damien don't Damian is wearing a nice little there and anyway we'll see you guys later. Thank you so much. Pain he He passed out.
Episode #1579: The New Phil Hendrie Show
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And today we're going to do an encore show but we also also have another winner in the daily Phil Hendrie talent. And here's Phil Hendrie not the red carpet. You guys are usually seen. Here's Phil Anyway. Hi It's Phil Hendrie. Welcome to yeah. Welcome to day. Four of our challenge. We you have a bunch of Jay Santos in the citizens is adjacent us. No it isn't assistive Ozil steeples out right St Boselli impressions and you know I I will but you'll take it easy listening. You want me to ease them into it. See years ago. General what did I got it. I got it I got it. I got it all right. Well Okay Phil go ahead. We'll see whether you wish you don't need our help. No I mean what happened is this guy's now I did announce St Boselli announced the actual phrase. It was. I'm Steve Brazil and my attorney asked me to take some notes and t you just base it up right there. No I did not sit up. Man I'm Steve Bozell. In my attorney to take some notes my attorney Delors blazing now that parts right was all right so that was the line and we set it not only here on the webcast. We said it on twitter. I did a little video presentation. I even gave people some character pointers. We did it on twitter. We did it on instagram. We did it on facebook. and Lo and behold Lo and behold some people got it wrong and extended it a lot of people freelanced and Phil History just wanted to go off book. You know. You can't go off to work. Well that's it. That's a theatrical term. That a lot of even filled probably doesn't understand. It means not sticking with the script so many of you went off book now when I was in camelot please. If you don't mind yes sir yeah well don't do that all stuff. I'm just trying to keep this thing rolling. You know they're just trying to keep it rolling but you know what I'd like to see you rolling down a hill off a cliff the F. B. crust the bottom over river knock it off you guys so crushed at the bottom of a river bed. No but but you're falling off the cliff. You not getting rolled over by boulder. Here's mark just went rolled over by a boulder. No I did not a we. You See folks folks. Were doing the J. J. Bubbles. Yeah Bob what do you mean Bob Bos. Al Steve Bozell challenge and a Lotta people. Yes is Margaret said. Went off book okay. So that is you didn't stick to the script and what I had to do. Is I had to eliminate those. Because if I didn't catch that stayed with the script that I had articulated they'd be angry with me so unfortunately what we're going to have to do is to make that call. Let's say look when we have a phrase is that you guys should say you should say it and stay stay in say it and you should say it right. Say the phrase exactly that we will know so If you have the essence of the character see these again things that Phil Donahue. He don't he don't he. Don't understand you don't understand right all right. We need to get the essence of the character. Otherwise he don't he don't get it. You're kidding right yes. I'm kidding so we have now contestants for in the St Boselli impression contest which is our day for contest. Here is Sean Darbyshire. Hi My name is Steve Steve Bozell. My journey asked me to take some notes. Maternity is Dolores blasingame. So there you go that is sean pretty good very good. Yeah next one. We have is D- Wayne's world. This cat was funny because this dude had his next door neighbor actually actually hanging over the fence. They did the video. And you don't have to do a video now. This is something you need to tell people. Because they're getting very confused. They think they need to produce videos. You distinctly stictly said no no no. I don't have to yeah exactly. You don't have to. But this did and he hit his neighbor hanging over the fence and it was funny. I thought don't sell a here. He is twins world. I'm Steve Sale. My attorneys asked me take some notes. My attorney Delors Lors blasingame his neighbor hanging over the fence. We'll the neighbor was standing there. I thought that was very funny touch. But that's only going to influence us. Yeah sure but moving along we have another returnee return or from day. One this this then. Is Brian Basketball. Brian Name Steve Brazil. My attorney s clicks notes attorney Deloris blasingame plot. Everyone I want to encourage everybody. And they're all very very good. Oh man what you kissing up and everything so. Thank you for giving people encouragement. Here is William Grimsley. uh-huh Louis William is the guy that misery and a small village thing guy from Ohio and you thought was English. Yeah now let's come here. He is William and he was also he jay Santos here he is with his impression of Over the cat is that he's doing. It's Steve while Steve Boz Zell. Dave is St Booze ill but I think it's dotes. My tend to told me take five attorney's name Delors pleasant last game. He didn't he didn't really stick with the script. And you told the other guys. They couldn't way off. He didn't necessarily stay with a script. He got the essential points in. Okay well I suppose we're sitting here dry air and smelling all of these parts. Tony talking about that He. He was spelled it. Debit how dare you wait. What did I tell you about trying to oak? Sorry the next one. Here is Van van down by the river. That's how this cat. describes himself and who am I to quibble obstables Zil monitoring to- master take notes Mutt attorney doors pleasant game all right. That's it a most of these guys these guys that I'm airing guys. That's Douglas a-list otherwise. I was getting those guys are GonNa get mad at me because they put the other guys on the other guys stick script say that again you know what I mean all right. The next guy here is Dan. Here's Dan Jackson. Who is our friends book Raton? Dan was the day one winner and Dan Takes shot here with St Bozo. Phil Hendrie Show Challenge Steve Ozone on my name is Steve. Moselle My Attorney Dolores blasingame asked me to take some notes who we started right there. But yeah which is about to clamp anyway but very good thank you but we stopped at there because that was essentially what we we wanted. And then Dan went on and ad-libbed a few more things again. We'd like you to stick with the script that we're That we provide it. I like I said I didn't know what else to do. So we just kind of eliminated those guys who didn't but it's okay. We've got like Six more days or whatever the hell we got next one here is Mr Joshua. Also a returning returning contestant of steeples. AOL By attorney asked me to take a few notes about attorney's name is Dolores blasingame. Very good I'd say well. They really stuck the description that they did very very good. That was Mr Joshua all right coming up next down. We have another Section now those are instagram guys. That we have here now is the. What do you got to go to facebook or go to facebook or you can go to twitter what we started out with facebook so? Let's go back over here to facebook. Brian K leads the proceedings. Here are your all this is Steve O's AOL. Mark turn it home to take a few notes. Let's see I gotta right here Her name is Dolores blasingame. Thank you. That's just do the do the funky chicken to here is Mike Meredith. My Name's depots L.. And my attorney asked me to take some notes attorney deloris pleasant game. ooh Jesus little character touching there whimpering like like that let me do this is because it sounds sounds a little boring but just you four okay. This is Dan Bear B. A. B. BE E. Why it's Dan buyers wait a minute? Bear bear aspirin as being white. He are excuse me but I'm Dan in Bay you Dan. Let's call them Dan buyers. Okay Dan by. There's no Arnett B. E. E. R. S.. Dan Bears Dan by it. Start blowing everything. Dan Bears there. That's the name that we're going to give him here is Dan. This is also a returning contestant on the world famous Phil Hendrie show. Bud Name is deep Odell. My journey asked me to take some notes by turning the morals all right now here. Is Josh Dank Josh. What Josh Dunk? The steamboat Vail. Mom My attorney asked me to take notes turning the Lord blasingame right man. That's good Hey that one was very very good. I like that. I'd like Josh Josh. That very unfortunate name though isn't it. What do you mean unfortunate? Let's like it's Dank. It stinks Nella. Dan musty Dank and muskie evening must just dunk a dank cellar and knock it off that crap. Okay okay. Thanks a lot Josh. Not butchered your last name here. Is Mike Meredith. My Name's depots L. and my attorney espy to take some notes. While you attorney deloris pleasant pleasant game who Jesus a little character touching there. Hey did you like that and there. It is the contestants for the CBO Zell. Fill Henry Challenge. Okay so well I know who I like a Lilac. Let's do a secret ballot here but who'd he lists. Don't tell anybody your vote just. Who Do you vote for adjusting? I don't say anything or something. Just write it write it down on its slip paperwork and here's mine here's mine all right. Let's this count these votes. Looks like it's unanimous ladies and Gentlemen Boys and girls yes the winner of the day four. Fill Henry in retirement or Josh Dank unfortunate last name nonetheless Barbara. I'm sure Josh also been told that his name reminds people of a place where you can grow mould anyway nice going man. Maybe maybe we get your last name. Maybe it's drank rancor dunk or something but Josh Tank Way to do it brother you the winner of the day four Phil Hendrie challenge again. Fill plays a saw. Where eight bull gets murdered? I I know but I I don't I don't I do not agree with bullfighting but I looked at mortgage. You know thank God. You didn't audition for that job. Killed someone kill some in the audition. Josh Dank Thanks Josh Way to do it. Brother Way to go beautiful beautiful moment all right all all right so as our final piece of business before we launch into our encore show. It's Day five now of the Phil Hendrie Challenge and Burma has been waiting oath. Rhode Island talked to Don Don. Come on Buddy. I'll go get him. Mr Berg's this just having some of the Caucasus. That's my that's alright. Don I have some cocoa. How you doing buddy? I'm great. Thank you down there if you want on the floor. He's kidding about that right here. Incur- Don you are going to be our challenge. The Phil Hendrie challenge for Dave Five. And now I'm curious. Why choose been done? You've the very distinctive voice masking filled. I'm sorry but that. Excuse me a lot of people. Think you kinda pompous. I I have the sound of a pompous ass. Yes but I am very serious. I didn't mean to offend your Margaret. I just if I'm if I'm brought anywhere. I need to talk directly to the host not staff. You know I'm not staff. I'm part of the panel cheat Margaret. And everybody here is good to talk to even Dickman. I'd say it. Yeah even me. I'm asking yes even Dickman me. I'm black it's got nothing to do with Robert Eitam now. That's it's unfair. Well I'll talk to anyone I just don't talk to underlings. Well I'm asking you to talk. That's not the point here. You are on the show and you're going to be our Phil Hendrie Challenge for day five so tell us what line you want people to say if they're going to imitate Don Berman. I want them into imitate the following. Good evening I'm Don Berman. Channel News this is your ten o'clock. Berman beat what. Are you looking connect with that. No that's fine. That's that's great. Well what's wrong with it nothing. It's just Berman. beat you hit it. Oh boy no. It's fine man and so say it again done good evening. I'm Don Berman. Channel Nineteen News. This is your ten o'clock Berman. beat the ten o'clock Berman Beater. Which is the name of your your newscast? Well know the name of the news is the Channel Nineteen News but the Bourbon. Beat is my editorial at reporting all right. It's a part of the peace of the channel. Nineteen US exactly darn there. It is folks your Phil Hendrie. Show Day five. Challenge Don Berman. Good evening I'm Don Berman. And this yes good evening. I'm Don Berman Channel News. This is your ten o'clock Berman. Beat Shit thank you don. Who Do I validate this with? What does that? It's a parking ticket. You don't have to pay the parking lot. Oh Shit what this. This is from the Cross. The street over that Pie joined in pay for your parking over there. No I went over a couple of berms. It's it's okay. Well you better check your tires man. No it's all right. I went over a couple of okay. Don Berman there folks so good evening this is John Berman and this is the channel. Nineteen ten o'clock Berman. Beat that's the line exactly and Hashtag that Phil Hendrie Challenge. That's Phil Hendrie Challenge Margaret. He went through. Then you do it. Hashtag it Phil Hendrie challenge inch all right. Let me just tell everybody Hashtag that challenge on either twitter facebook or instagram. Okay that's Hashtag Phil Hendrie challenge on twitter Instagram instagram or facebook. If you're on facebook do it so that it can be shared publicly if you don't mind okay. It's not a role into today's show and encore show from December the third twenty eighteen. We go back one full years. We want our encore shows. This is a show featuring dagger who wants a gay Colonel Sanders remember this because there were a lot of these member Colonel Sanders. Well they had they had REBA mcentire. I think that's what did it for you. That female Colonel Sanders. Yeah I mean it's okay. I'm not I'm I'm not complaining because Colonel Sanders after all is excuse me. I'm just closing a window. You got on me yesterday for reaching on the floor. Geno sound like this Don't let me run the technical things as I was. What was I saying? You're talking about REBA mcentire. As the last year this time they had the Colonel Sanders ads. We're rolling out and REBA. mcentire was Colonel Sanders. They had all kinds of Colonel Sanders at one at one point McDonald right. Well Normally Donald Jim Gaffe again again but then they went weird well. It wasn't necessarily weird as far as duck. Dang it was concerned but he wondered when the next when the gate Colonel Sanders would essentially happen because as Doug said they are essentially anything they wanted with the brand anyway plus more from John Berman on the impure dreamy had about judge. Genie Pierrot Chris. Norton Ah bad just listen okay Their Christmas get Chris. Norton talks about his new sex his his his his six leaking into the neurons. That control how he writes remember that that's why he goes says anyway here. It is folks from uh-huh December third two thousand eighteen on core. Show for today. And congratulations again to judge Dank winter. Yes indeed winner of the day for challenge the Phil Hendrie Challenge. Steve Bozell exaggerating. That bothers me and welcome everyone in the world famous. Still I'm market. This is general. Given Shaw Dickman Yamaha Berlin and I'm still heavily and welcome to our show here. It's a seven I'd live show. What a bizarre well you're stumbling funding about stumbling Logan fumbling about here's a guy? Fuck she should have a lot of you. Folks watching the watching the show data shows livestream and now on a video. Exactly okay okay. We'll take it from here Phil if the people are you guys. You're watching you see what's been going on here for the last half Hour Phillips Carbon has gone dead. What's awesome Tom Sweeney? What do you mean what's going on man? You're carving up all of those look some stuff. It's tough to read. I was reading some copy and I was carving it up. Yeah they're right some stuff is targeting. Some stuff is tough some stuff is tough to read. Let me tell you something. Oh God here he goes. You're going to give us the whole speech about technical writing order. I'm not giving you the speech. I'm giving the speech. The folks out there because we've heard what feels about to say folks. We've heard nine hundred times. No you haven't I've said let me just say something folks. My my best friend of the World Donald under a is a retired bank executive and all this stuff but when he was in college judge and I've known this guy since we were fourteen. This dude took technical writing and I asked him. I said what are you doing that. He says you WanNa know something. People don't know how to right manual instructions. People don't know how to write directions. People don't know how to write basically not books. We're not talking about poetry when I'm talking creative writing. No we're talking. Technical Technical Writing Technical writing is what you see on the back of a bottle of aspirin. Hey but I'm GONNA kick your ASS meeting the directions. Technical writing is what you see on a lawnmower here. Here's how to start at technical. Writing is probably the most important writing that is done in the world. Because it's telling us how to do a thing or it's giving us the instructions it's laying up the protocols it's a it's a whole bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with US writing Goddamn music and being groovy now. Here's where Phil is is GonNa get all pissed off and upset. Because he's just sick and tired of all the namby-pamby field turns into like a regular Ronald break. And what are you talking about man your sensitivity sensitivity goes out the window sensitivity to what man. I'm reading stuff here. That is so badly written. I gotta had a rewrite it myself to be able to read it and record it and the same thing goes with much of technical writing in the world so I won't be Labor the point and give a big speech because everybody here is getting there off. Oh my God he was going to say. We're getting you're going to see where you're going to say we're giving you go ahead. I'M NOT GONNA say I'm elated. You'RE GONNA say we had to have it wiped essentially yes no. I wasn't going to say that at all you know. Well she's I would fly booth. Yes what is going on here anyway screwing around so the point that I'm not gonNA stop talking about it but the point that I'm making is the following thing thing that you technical writing is very important how to write and if you WANNA take up in school. I don't know how much money you're GONNA make. Yeah what a career. Hey folks learn how to write instructions structure on an fill. You really stepping luther. Did you learn how to write the instructions on aspirin bottle. No that's not it. What kind of money is what kind of money can you make doing that? I'm just telling you as an adjunct as an aside as something else you would know how to do in your main career high. What do you do for living? I read the instructions from Monopoly Games monopoly. Now that's interesting. That's what I'm talking about. Board Games Games is a great example. You know have you ever read the instructions for any board game and you argue about them for an hour. No no you're not the second person goes in the third per- you know so so I've never argued over monopoly game. I know exactly what the rules are all horse shit so the wow never argued over monopoly game no I never have. Well sure I'M NOT GONNA go into this any further. So that's something and technical writing's important and I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't give a shit all right now. The gentleman moving along yes moving along on the program. Today I have the excuse me I have the gender right here where my glasses mortgage. I'll do what I have the lessons. These are those gigantic purple ones. Got Knott's Berry farm often do make me look like a monkey that it's a it's a podcast. It's on Video Jack. Wait a minute on the show I got it. Thank you on the show. We're going to have have John Berman back on. He's going to be talking about his his sister. Teresa what the Health Sister Theresa Mary Bill Door over there Dork mufflers. He he had a series of tweets. It's concerning his family marrying into some of these sponsors that are on our show Dork mufflers and slob breweries. You talk about the slump family. Yeah she'll talking about Phil. This is very important. It's important to done because apparently folks you didn't see this minute mark. No he goes in Florida done. It's important to dawn because apparently his his nephew. Dan Dan that would be Dan. Bourbon DOT COM vermin. Yes his nephew. Dan Married Julia Slob. Who is the daughter of Dick slob looking at him laughing? Think like a child carrying you said Dick you little fade minute Yeah Dick slob of slob breweries. So her name is now Julia Hislop Berman and apparently he doesn't like any of this. He's going to talk with us. About what Berman doing these days is he working on television. Yeah why right because he spent a Lotta time on twitter. He spent a lot of time on twitter. Promoting the damn. He promotes the Channel News. What is Dick Slob and Julia it? It's a it's an aside. I guess because he heard some of our sponsors we also have coming up. He's always going to talk about having impure Margaret's nut by go ahead he's GonNa talk about having impure dreams about Judge Jeannie and take an exciting hour. That's going to be an hour that more like twenty minutes. Well you don't know if you don't if you don't want me to have him on. Are you phil. That's an NFL epic fit down the century off me if you don't want me to have him on no no no. Oh these guys WanNa hear all about his filthy dreams about judge genie. What God and then finally Dug Dinger actually not finally dug? Dang it'd be on Doug Daniel thinks it's time if they're gonNA be screwing around with Colonel Sanders this and the image of Colonel Sanders that they have a gay Colonel Sanders. Something that is bound to happen. This is I agree with this the way what are you talking about. I'm talking about the fact that every time you see Colonel Sanders on TV now. He's further and further away from the actual guy. It's a cartoon character and Deng is GonNa come on and talk about that. Well it sounds to me you like. You're taking his side. You want some. I agree with him during a you went. You WanNa you WanNa know something yeah. So what. What about CAD forget get it? Yeah and then finally Chris Norton all right. This is the third finally. Finally Chris Norton God Damn My ears. Uh Uh I'm bleeding. CUT It out. Finally Chris Norton on how the sex has literally leaked vocal cords. And that's why he talks about people asking how come he writes the way he talks. Yeah because apparently he told me that the sex leaked onto the neurons. That control his hands. You Aleph fill you laugh and yet at the end of the day we all weep your their cackling like a mad geek and the rest of US weep into hank achieves leaves of sadness as we think. What's his name? Chris Norton Chris at Christmas but I know not but first anything Douger. Hangar is joining us from Hollywood tonight. Doug good evening. I understand you're on your way to a screening tonight Feel I am a pilot for a TV show called punch Jimmy Detectives Detective show on the new galactic network in the right now. Yeah I am a driver on Hollywood a little bit. Just come up Orange County. I heard your story about driving in the rain the other night. on your way to the family it was pouring down man and not only. Was it pouring down. But it was. It was dark highway twenty six and it was an insane thing. I can say that but you know. Got There in about two hours. Well if the weather tonight has been great but Find out look. I'm driving through Hollywood tonight trying to find a movie theater that is going to be screening. The thing wins it start three seven thirty but Street is that we maybe we can. GPS Autobahn to get on. Hold and I'll tell you what when you're dealt with when you get done talking us buttle tell you so you wrote what a column in the Orange County Courier. Today that I thought was really interesting and it has to do with the image of Colonel Sanders. Essentially you're saying that Colonel Sanders should be gay. Yeah and I'll tell you why Colonel Sanders should be gay. Why is that? He's going to say general. Say What here's here's why in my opinion Colonel Sanders should be gay. Because they've turned hurled sanders in every other thing under the sun. I mean they got colonel. Sanders is a female Colonel Sanders as skinny Colonel Sanders Fat Colonel Sanders Look as you feel about gay man of gay journalist and as as a gay man and I came out five weeks ago and I have been trotting a tough road. I mean I've been going down a tough tough wrote a discrimination and alien nation and Just people just get out of here. You're gay are you kidding. Even in this day and age well you know you. You don't know people are Nice to you but you think you think they're talk to me but behind my back. They're probably thinking there goes that you know does that. People are a little bit more especially in this town. Oh yeah sure look. Let me tell you something homophobia she is alive and well in Hollywood. I'm a gay man. In a gay journalist I write about this at as a gay man who was a gay journalist. I write about not only the gay. You know that I'm gay. Okay and how gay Hollywood is but how it is anti gay. Your Gay and Hollywood's gave its anti-gay General. I know what you think of. I'm not a homophobe. I know you'd love for me to be once. It have a good reason to dislike me. I'm just a very inquisitive guy. All these every time I come on this program you're asking Comey. All these imploding questions. What's in Salt Lake about it? Well maybe you could be clear general when he I'm asking you sit your gay Hollywood's gay but it's anti-gay that the image of Hollywood as being a tolerant city tolerant place is overstated. Yes it's tolerant but only to a point you know they throw what's will and grace or whatever the hell damn show they had the one gay guy embracing change. What Dr Greg? Don't you know man. You're a TV critic. Yes I was GONNA say. You're the one. That's you're reviewing television. I don't know the difference between they had been Gregg. Willin Braves Fan Gloria. But those are those do Lesbians Lathi you with soon as I bring up the gay as the clown and that's what I want to get to fill you laugh and yet you'll turn and look at me and say Hey Doug I love you like a brother but don't touch my ass or something like that. What does fill Henry said that a doug? That's really insulting. I've I've treated you with humanity and friendship and treated you like like any human being few to say that. I'm just saying if the shoe fits wear it if it don't fit then put it back in the back doc. Okay it doesn't fit. Put it back in the box. I'll take it in the back you'll take it in the back. I knew she'd read it that way. I it no I met on shoes failed you know. What man are you laughing booth? Can we just get to the point here because I. I think it's a good point. You're saying that the image of Colonel Sanders Image. A Colonel Sanders has been so ripped to shreds and has been so jacked around by the people run. I don't know who owns the Colonel Sanders brand but I'm sure even you've noticed general that the Colonel Sanders image is all carved a hill. You know well they had reba. mcentire's colonel so I thought that was bizarre. Now that's what does talking about taking this real man. And obviously the image of Colonel Sanders was purchased by another company. Yeah yeah well. There's another company that owns the Colonel Sanders brand right now As Gay man's gay journalist that look this up and I found out. It's something like the Swinson Company or some jazz like that. I don't know it. It's a company called the what's the name of it. I just call it the Swinson because I don't know you know we gotta get people on here that no stuff instead making stuff up and then saying that's the name of it. What does it make man? I'm a gay man. I know you're gay for God's sake give you the right to change the name of the company who cares. The fact is it's owned by a company right. Yeah the girl plan is owned by another company the Sanders family at such as it is wherever it the sanders family. But I know like I care I know there was a Colonel Sanders Julie heartless. What would you care man? I mean you WANNA protect his image. I don't give a damn about the colonel sanders image. That's the whole point. I'm trying to a gay man and a gay journalist. Alright my point you wanna make centers gay just because you WanNa what. Wow it sounds like you think I wanna put it to. I never said anything in sort of checking I wanna make Colonel Sanders Look Doug. Let's be friends here if you don't mind. We are all friends boys to come down call centers gay. Because he's already been made to all these other things exactly look ahead Colonel Sanders Woman Colonel Sanders Skinny. He's fat. He's a dancer. He looks different first of all. They hired all these heavyweights to play Colonel Sanders from norm MacDonald to Jim Gaffe again and then they turn around and I don't know who's playing them now. That they had reader McIntyre. Why not have them be gay by how would you have Colonel Sanders very very simple Colonel Sanders something that fits the image which is Colonel Sanders? He's wearing that white colonel sanders suit husband. I would think that would be a of great way of indicating that does anything overtly sexual talking about that. I'm just saying the presentation of a gay couple Colonel Sanders and his husband What would he look like now? That would be interesting. You don't want him to be overtly gay looking right now no I would think the colonel sanders husband would look like and you're gonNA laugh but I was talking about this with Toby Watson in the newsroom. I said well He says what would Colonel Sanders husband looked like if you had a gay Colonel Sanders I said probably like one. What are the Oak Ridge? Boys One of the Oak Ridge Boys. Yeah that's full of all right. I mean I don't know I would think what would you think he'd looked like colonel. General Colonel we're talking about Curl Sanders. I'm sure it's personal. I well I would think the Colonel Sanders husband would be tastefully in a business suit. I don't know get a business suit gonNA look like yourself man look Marlin Perkins of Omaha Marlin Perkins of Oberhof talk took an Marlin Perkins. A mutual of Omaha has wild kingdom. Now that we were watching it earlier he doesn't wear a suit. No but all the guys mutual mcadoo. Yeah okay that's real great great Thank you so very much for that but I'm GonNa take that under advisement. Wow fill you know what you ought to do. First of all drug test everybody. Yeah and that includes me I feel like I need to be drug tested. Every time I get done doing this show. I'm Doug Bangor Gay Man Gay journalist I'm GonNa have to do some shorthand Because I'M GONNA raise through this because I just rather theaters up ahead failed to get the Goddamn Dude Phil Are you taking. I dug Dangar. Hangar is with us now he almost did he almost did a full epileptic fit here about a half an hour ago. That was bad. Doug Dangar with us from the Orange County courier and Doug on his way to a pilot's tonight for punching Jimmy. Is that the name yeah. It's a detective. It's a guy girl. Detective thing on the Galactic Network. I'm and Galactic Network. They knew know they've been around for. They've been around Roma's. HBO The Galactic Network. Yeah you oh you do. They start out doing a lot of movies. And then they started producing original series. Never heard of a man who know man. I'm talking about the GALACTICA take a network intergalactic. You've never seen their added says intergalactic. I haven't seen it but then what cable system have you got direct. TV well they're all over direct TV. Anyway this is This is going to be a pilot street. I just gotTa get join. I gotTa do a little short and so what. I'm trying to say here is the phone thing you got Colonel L. Santa's that got sanders and what he does stop there. They got him. He's a man's woman he's a child they're going to have a child Colonel Sanders before they have a gay Colonel Sanders they'll have a black colonel sanders before they have another one they should have a black colonel sanders. I essentially. What you're saying is are you out of your mind? Are you expecting to sell chicken. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Jesus Black Colonel Sanders. That isn't going to sell any chicken just like aunt. Jemima didn't suddenly waffles. Oh Shit whatever man Dr Phil What I've tried to tell you let's not be. Let's not get racist early in the show. All right WHO's racist. You're out of black now. WHO's having epileptic big fit? You Bet that bad okay goodbye. You can't hang up getting hey man watch it. I'm saying that colonel all standards what do they begin. Hey what's Colonel Sanders. First Name. What what? What is Colonel Sanders? I deem what he wanted to know that I I just WanNa know. I think it's I don't know the answer to that. Actually been in the records. I think it's Tyler Tyler Sanders mm-hmm I thought you were serious here for a while. I'm dead serious and you serious did his. First name's tyler. I don't know what his first name is. Okay I'm screwing around what I'm trying to tell you guys if you just listen this to me is the Colonel Sanders brand has been so screwed with has been so manipulated at so twisted around that I demand that they have a gay Colonel Sanders Sanders had a female Colonel Sanders. I WANNA gay Colonel Sanders and I think everybody in the gay community. They're not GONNA no one in the gay community is GonNa take you seriously. I disagree disagree. I think I think there are a lot of gay people. Once you get past the fact that it's Doug Deng and I know you're not all that well loved the gay community because of an activist because game gay man because I tell them what I am. What I'm doing while the rest of us sit on their asses? Okay I'm telling you the Colonel Sanders. If they're gonNA make them females make them gay and make him black. Oh great once you make him gay and black. You don't have to be both. I'm just saying as long as you want to. Twist around the Curl Sanders forget it. I dropped the folded hangup theaters. Right here I go ahead. Thank you for being with us. All right hey everybody remember the Doug Dagger I'm game done dinner. Ladies and gentlemen the Doug Dang or twice a week in the Orange County courier. He's the entertainment. Editor does an awful lot of film reviews and he's indication note. He's a gay man in a gay journalist. He's got kicked it a hard road of discrimination everyday. Doug let me tell you about Doug Dangar folks because we've known dug a lot of years doug as an activist and His whole purpose is to just Kinda piss people off on purpose. He Baits the general all the time any bates man. He's doing good fun well. Doug subscribes to some very aggressive tactics in promoting. But you know what it isn't the days of act up anymore. We're not back during those times when people going into churches and I don't know we'll go easy here it's GonNa make you sound as if you're one of the year opposed to gay right. I'm not opposed impose to you know I've never been opposed to gay rights. I'm just saying Doug's one of the more active. Anyway it's the world famous Phil Hendrie show. Thank you very very much much. Doug we have coming up Don Berman. WHO's got a bar a variety of problems? He's GonNa tell us about. I don't know what but Well Don Berman has got sisters and nephews views that are marrying into the wrong families but more to the point channel nineteen has to become on the field Henry Show and explain some of his tweets the more disturbing one about having having impure dreams about judge genie. All of that ahead. Here on the world famous Phil Hendrie show. Monkey shines three days a week at the Bregman. When playhouse starring Rodrick firm get your tickets? Now Hi everybody this is Doug Dang hope you read my call implies a week in the Orange County career dangar days. I'm Doug Dagger Gay Man Gay Journalist. Hi Margaret Gray for Berman teen chocolate. Drink I know that when my son Jason J DEL Monaco gets up in the morning and says mom. I'd like a glass of Bourbon teen. I grabbed that jar and I give him three heaping spoonfuls into glass of milk. It's chocolate it's delicious. And it gives him the six essential nutrients and vitamins. What those are? I don't know because scientists as well doctors and nutritionists won't tell us simply say you need six of these very essential nutrients and vitamins. And all that other silly garbage Margaret Gray for Berman Teen Berman. Teen is a chocolate flavoured drink. Is it good for you. I have no idea. Is it good for your kid who knows it. Sounds as if it's radioactive Berman teen in the family healthy size Berman team the healthy family size. I can you scratching your neck. Sorry Berman teen in the family healthy size in the healthy family size burn teen in a healthy family size got. I'm tired. I'm sure they're not. I don't know if I communicated properly done what it was that you wanted to talk about. Well I thank you for the opportunity to come on the program to talk about. It is but I had a series of unfortunate tweets this past weekend and ordinarily. I would apologize for them on twitter But I've been you know it's probably recommended that I come on your program. L. Ron Martin wanted me to do that by the way thank you. Thank you for filling in on Friday done. Oh well well thank you for allowing me the opportunity you did the best you could. Under the circumstances. Nobody wanted to be recorded on the record as soon as they saw me coming they said Oh which you know. It's Berman. And they know what a heart interviewer I am. They know how hard hitting I am and they know that I you know. I know that you're going to F with or trying to make me look like I'm something swing from vine as we as we like to say so I I did the best I could with what I had but now I come to find out because of an innocent listen twenty. Well what you said was do you want to go ahead and read it. Between was that I had an import I had an impure dream about judge Jeanie and that that it was not the devil but a smaller Damon attempting to damage my mind. Generally if you want me to say to get honestly don't understand it's it's not the devil you don't think you in other words the impure thoughts you had was not that impure get right. I was trying to say that I had an impure dream. I'm about I dream yes. I had an impure dream about judge genie for four. Oh man done we're gonNA set this up. Why don't you guys shut up? I'm sorry so are you on edge or something a little bit. Yeah I got one Martin breathing down my neck go ahead. And what's so fucking funny. Okay I'm going to hang up on you if you don't clean it up I'm sorry get dumped it out say that again again start. was that Swahili or English dawn. Sorry I apologize a bud I gotta jump out okay. Don't dump it the fuck doc goodbye. Yeah he's still here don quit screwing around. I'm sorry I'm on edge okay. I had a dream about judge. Judy where editor Anthony. So now we know and this was the impure thought that you think is not the devil but a smaller Demon Eamon. What are you laughing that God damnit? She's laughing at you with your smaller demon thing. You had a dream about judge Judy. It was sexual Joel. Yes it was. Alright you tweeted about it did you not. I did tweet. The graphic details though I saw the tweet there's no detailed he simply said. I had an impure dream right well. The word got the Fox. She got upset at this was tweeted out. I done your prominent newsman. That stuff. You can't his his tweet this stuff. I try to be honest and direct with my audience. Because they know they can rely on done Berman to give them the straight facts at the six seven seven and eight o'clock report. Yes at the eleven. And the news infects that the once from you is your dream of having judge. Oh you guys you guys are real but head you know that. Hold on his what. General strategy is part of the news. Information your audience wants from you is is the attacked. You had judged genie on all fours I did not. It was a dream okay. So they need to know that my audience expects me to deliver the news promptly EPA six at the seven at the eight ten eleven. Do they expect as part of that news delivery your dreams your carnal dreams about judge. Janine Judge Judge Janine well. Let's her name Janine. As far as I know it's Jimmy. Peril Judge Junie. I thought it was going anyway. Well if I got it wrong I got it wrong. Yeah just you'll be getting I guess. How do you guys do you think I'm out of control? Henry you WanNa get that that whole student fumigate that studio and what. What does that mean? I'm telling you guys not. You're not even me. Let's stick to the point. You're the guy with the DA. The tweet and she complained to Fox did fuck skull. Homerun Martin some Putt pure and Fox called elrod Martin and said the judge. Judy is all upset. Because Don City at an impure dream about her and I immediately immediately in the tweet. I say that I do I. I was inspired. Maybe not by the devil but by a smaller demon trying to damage my mind. Well what would you guys. What does it mean man? Let some kind of weird religious nut. I'm trying orange. Tell my audience. But it's made up a lot of Christians that I'm aware but the devil or one of the smaller demons it means smaller Demon mm-hmm and this is something having to do with the mythology of hell. Is that right the mythology of who am I talking to anyway. We're trying to interpret what you're saying okay. So it was not the devil himself but one of his minions right and what did he do he came into your mind and turned the judge. GD Switch I. You know if I could hang up I would have hung up so hard I send you to hell with the hang up. Okay you know. What does that mean? It means I slam receiver down so hard your entire studio would be sent to hell and I'd be up here going. I aw should lay dare look. I'm worried about your your overworked. And now you're talking about having judged genie on all fours. Hey would you stop already man. Let let's knock that off okay. I mean the fact of the matter is that he apologized and and was the apology accepted. I hope so I. I mean I I transmitted via twitter as they wanted me to at. I also made a phone call and this. Wasn't it sucks that you had to talk to. I don't WanNA say some guided guided spends all day spanking it and finding reasons why he wants to soothe everybody on behalf of Fox. So they've heard oxidants sounds like one of them to be. Okay you guys get your digs in. But I'm a guy that's gotta live in that world. Okay everybody knock it off. Don Can I ask you a little bit about your family. I didn't know they married into the Dork. Muffler Osler what happened was muffler was a sponsor of the Remote that I did not the remote the report I did on efforts for family and I had some questions from people. Who Have you like doc buffers? That's my family's been going to Leffler since I was a kid. My My Sister Theresa Mary Bill. DORK and Bill expounded Dork mufflers. Yeah he's a contemporary of my fathers and she married This guy bill darkens good deal older than her. which that's a whole other story? I'm not particularly you know. I love my sister very much. She's the she's the light of my life and when she married some guy thirty years that her and you can look at him and imagine his tongue licking hey dude bow. No I'm just saying you could imagine him going. Yeah I don't know I'll get your mind out of the gutter would you a this okay. Well you. Just you know you're in trouble with judging influx. They're going to have bill dork on Yahoo not bill. Dork is not a sponsor I could care less I got more sponsors April listing. Think go ahead and pull your sponsorship. What do you think I care if I hear about you bothering my sister? He's very tour on right Well you know what I'm saying. Why don't you just just quit? When you're ahead Berman? Okay what else is your problem. What are you talking about? What else by problem do you have another family member? Yes as a matter of fact my son Dan Mary junior junior slumped slop. Breweries now. What you were talking about the names? I don't like the fact that Julia Slob. Berman is walking around. I don't like my sister. Theresa Theresa Bumming Dork. That's my family. Name is Berman in Dorset any SLOB. Uh You WANNA name yourself go right ahead you WANNA call yourself slob. That's fine but for me my family. It's the Bergman name. But these are the females of the family family and their names are GonNa get hyphenated that way. That's it's the modern saying a lot of women are doing it. They're using their maiden names Well I asked my I sister Would you please drop may men. You know don't put burns. She told me that basically in so many words told me. Go Straight to the devil Do you yeah. I get along fine with my family but we talk straight with each other just as a matter of fact having a lunch with her and and we were celebrating a birthday. I said by the way. Could you drop Bourbon. I'm from your name. And she said you and she said I love you done but you and she pointed to the cement and she said you underneath the cement and I go you beat the hell she said you got it and she sat down and finished her crab salad pleasing. Tell them about what's going on. In the studio is an obscenity filled and Berman. Both like what I'm doing I the telephone. Well it's pretty clear laughing done. I'm not laughing I'm thinking I'm smiling at the memory of the front of having lunch with my sister and she was having a crab salad. A big deal. We're talking to Vermin Ladies and gentlemen about a lot of garbage. Thanks so much for being with US dawn. You're a real done Berman. Ladies and gentleman coming up next. I've got to fill take a walk. Wait a minute go take a walk get Outta here Phil Thank you ladies and Gentlemen. That was done Berman. That was just just fantastic coming up next we're going to have on. Let's see we had done. Oh Chris Norton and Chris will be talking about the fact that he not only talks wchs funny but the sex has leaked into the neurons. That control how his hands are used. And that's why he tweets weird right. Yeah that's that's that's has basically gladiolas swimming pools you think about putting a pool in for the coming summer months too long way out. I know but now's the time now's the time because people will be clamoring beating down the doors and calling and ringing our phone off wall. 'cause they want us to build a pool so Gladioli. Pools will be building pools from now until well whenever you want us to stop building pools but but I suggest if you WANNA pool swimming pool. Get it in now. Even though it's cold and it's wintertime gladiolas pools build pools in warm weather cities. We do not build pools fools in cities where it snows so we build pools in places where they're not really all that needed gladioli pools warm weather pool company. Take like this is very exotic. Who is the twins? What do you mean the twins making stuff up makes up names Van Goghs no bans we play? I know it's one of the band's wave theory theory legal in the song is called living nightmare. Yeah it back Chris Norton longtime friend of our show and obviously a guy that but You know a guy that we'd love and admire Chris's very unusual guys. He's a cat that By the DAY IS A. He's a guy that by as a telemarketer for the pharmaceutical company in Redondo Beach California but also by day and by night he is a adult film producer. And right now he's waiting to head to. You're going to film festival right. Yes sir. I'm Ball my way to right now. All al-Moayed Adult Film Festival and Reno And this is A lot of adult films going to be looking at or what they're going to give a different wars and everything is right up for it. Yeah restaurant is definitely up for restaurant. Means rexroad rexroad. Yes I meant. Restaurant is For the heart newcomer for bought me. You know above meets a newcomer thought he missile longtime performer. Well he has been a long time before but but no one's seen him on a movie you know what what do you mean a longtime performer. But no one's seen him on a movie. The guy has been having fast. I mean Bob. Meat is legendary. What are you talking about so Bob Mead? He does just some guy that has sex with a lot of chicks. It's never been in films. Yeah and I was the one I want to say you. You know We've got a million people on this program with neurological disorders. And I've been around me. I'm trying to say that I believe on the one who is able to laugh though. His the whole strands and print it into one of the more dynamic performance of all time in films. The only the Senate History Chris One of the comments that was made. And congratulations by the way. I hope you do when the Newcomer Award Banks but what you talk about right. Not Really I mean we can talk doc more after you come back from the festival is whether or not you want. And whether or not Bob One. Well I'm not up on me. Ma Bob. Me Bought me is up for best newcomer based upon his performance restaurant climate in other words based on his performance in your field. I well. That's a that's a feather in your cap. That's a good thing Gal. We're we're very excited about it. We're very excited. We'll show you absolute to the athlon. Chaz doing it. We want to talk to you about Chris Breath. Well Robert. You've got the you had the tweet this weekend and said the reason why you right the way you write is because the sex has leaked don to your brain neurons that control your hands. I mean what happened was I as you know the SAS as my doctor indicated the reason why I talk the way I talk a very loose and sessile way because when you are loaded up with you could tell it loaded up with the way I talk. I don't. That's supposed to sound like what Chris I'll take your word for it all right. Yes okay so I believe he. You know when I'm at Rusty Pelican and a young lady walks over and it wasn't me May WanNa may my claim and I'll tell either steve or hey to go ahead and lift lift a rope and let her Iran because you're roped off. Yeah I'm roped off. You got to say like a joke or something. Velvety Beranger Barstool. Yeah and I'll tell Steve. Leave the usual guys that are at the rope. I'm telling you Matthew St or saying or it's Jack Jack Jack Wang or one of one of those guys. There's there's a guy named Jack Lang that handles Europa. Are you trying to be funny or something. Jack Wing handles your rope. God Damn wait a minute man. I'm saying is there a guy named Jack. Jack Wang at Europe. I'm giving a blow job or something. No he means someone who is guarding your stool check Wang. He's as you America's somewhere with that in college are racist man. No there's nothing wrong with it. I just got yeah Jack Wing handles my rope. Yeah let me say what man you you. You can't tie it into a lasso. So I'm Chris Norton what about it. I applaud that. So Chris tell me all about this Sex leaking into the neurons. That control control your hands. We have said so. I had a dude this weekend after I had. I tweet about I forget what it's about talk about a A sack and studios. Yeah you you right the way you talk S. 'cause that's lead you know it's leak. Take you know there's an actual medical condition of sex leaking onto anything. Well General. You should talk to my doctor. Okay who's your doctor. Dr Swinson Doctor. What's what's his first name? I don't know it's like I want to listen. You ask your doctor for his first name. It's usually there in his Carter. Something mytalkers Dr Swinson doc gets like doctors saying did de Dah. Dad's wins that are dead. Daddy switches like that daddy o Swinson. I mean I never mind so your doctor said that that sex is so powerful in you. It not only leaks on your vocal chords leaks out of my vocal cords. What he said it? It's all it permeates your movement. So that's why general you're asked me you know one of the things. I'm walking on a beach. I said my walk. You were laughing at me but when I walk okay. Okay General Yes would I walk attract women because I slice. Let her along in a in a Speedo with to Kansas Tab that I hold by the ring of the plastic. You know you when you walk you do what I'm wearing Ernest Speedo and I'm holding to Canada Tab and I walk away you know. This is the sense walk. Walk in a very sexy way. Well I wouldn't even say I walk in a anyway because that's not enough. You can't that doesn't describe Chris Norton Enough I walk. I walk the walk of sex. Yeah and so. That's example of how fast in me just speaks. You know everything I do. Is that if I talk. It sounds like asked if I write I write life says if I walk you walk like sex. What about would you take a dump? Okay you know what Man Watch the language dump that and watch the language. I don't need this man you guys. You're all friends here. I'm getting sick and tired of this. What I walk at sex? What if you've got runny diarrhea? You Know Jay General Speaking runny already diarrhoea. Why don't you shut up? Okay me you're telling me to shut up. What are you nothing more than some beat the beach bum with an over ample beato? Oh you probably get. You probably got the size of a cocktail frank. Oh Yeah right man. If you've ever seen some of my performance did you see me arrest wide okay. No there's no but you can tell by the way by the way my slacks draped I'm GONNA get up and walk out because this is turned as always do into boy time. A great wasn't me. I'm simply saying Chris. You've never actually performed a second any of your movies. I'm the producer Director Given you've done sex in any movie at all why man you want to go rent it and check it out. God Damn Dorton. All human is not exactly exactly senior performing You can talk to anyone of a half a dozen women that I have szeswith over the weekend. Okay six women over this past weekend. Yeah Yeah Yeah and also if you're interested in my anatomy I'm say look at the way. My slacks slacks drape. Can you just hate everything about. I hate everything about you. Mr Airy your show the shirt you wear the Chris Norton folks what would you hang up on them. For what more is he gonNA tell us. He was talking about the way. His slacks draped. Yeah yeah well. Good luck with that one man. But I'll take I'll take a flyer on that What's up? Yeah it's simple term that I don't know the meaning of well. The world famous fill in ratio is executive produced by Phil Hendrie foreseeably INC alright. Deserved on podcast one. I guess we'll just have to wait and find out what Phil means by half the things he says. I don't know okay. Thanks to Chris. Thornton John Berman and of course to Whoever helped the Chris Dorner we had done urban? Who Else Donald Duck? Dang thank you doug sorry everybody was hanging on each other but hey man. That's the way it is here on a Monday. We've been live here in our Sunday. Night live streaming show. Join US For the download tomorrow you guys. If you listen to tomorrow into today is tomorrow and tomorrow's Today. Welcome awesome. Yeah mm-hmm Yeah Yeah uh-huh.
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We've had a lot of these double headed monster podcasts for the last few weeks, and I am glad to bring you another one with mix a interesting range. Range of guests here Charlie star from the band blackberry smoke coming up second and Ricky rocket of poison kicking off the interviews this week. That will come up I and I'll tell you a little bit more about both of those in just a second, but first. Let me remind you that this podcast is proudly sponsored, and we appreciate the sponsorship of goody's headache powder and their brand new product, which is called goodies hangover, which is an absolute must I, would think for anybody nursing, a hangover, and in these times of pandemic. I think there's a lot of people that are probably exactly doing that, so check out the brand new product goodies hangover. It's available at Walmart Kroger and Amazon among other places and check out all of goodies find products that goody's powder dot com. There's fast, and there is goodies fast so. 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Last week we had a great double dip with frank, cannon and Phil Collen and next week. As I always tell you guys. The interviews you here on this on this podcast originate on my Sirius Xm radio show. So they are all courtesy of trunk nation on volume, which you can hear if you're in the US or Canada and have Sirius Xm everyday live. Two to four PM Eastern time would nightly replaced ten to midnight eastern on Channel One zero six, so all the interviews you hear always come from that radio show however. What I'm scheduled to bring you next week will be something I haven't done in a while. That is a podcast exclusive interview meaning. This is the only place. It will debut. and. It is with Steve Gorman the original drummer of the Black Crowes who was in the band pretty much their entire existence except for currently. And Steve wrote a tremendous book that I just had a chance to finish and I'm really excited about speaking with him and having him on, and we will do that. 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Eddie trunk here with you on the Eddie Trunk. PODCAST has promised. We kick off interview number one this week with Ricky rocket of poison, talking about the stadium tour, talking about restarting his band, Devil City Angels and talking about his health, which for those that may have forgotten? He was a cancer survivor. And thankfully you're about to hear is doing quite well. Rookie rocket poison kicking us off. Ricky rocket of poison. How are you brother? I'm doing good to look. At least we can be Tulsa time member. I do. Latro rock remake of that one. Why not well, there's an idea well. You're two hours. Let's see I. Tell us an hour behind me. And you're two hours so yeah, so we could. We could operate on Tulsa time of meet somewhere in the middle. It's a bummer, though that none of this stuff is happening Manhattan I. Guess You guys are. Calling from weapon on last week, and he was giving him his thoughts about it, but for you guys know you're you very much looking forward to getting out there and doing this thing this summer, and it has to suck to have it back, Bernard. Yeah it. It definitely does you know but It looks like we're probably going to do. More shows next year, so I mean that part of it's good but. Was Out last year and we weren't so. That was a kind of a letdown for me. You know because we didn't get out there last year, so but you know it is what it is. My more shows, Ricky. Do you mean more stadium dates would be added or more headline poison shows. You know maybe both I don't know for sure but I know they're working dot woods, the talk and so We'll see if it comes through. How far along was poisoning because I was talking to fill yes last week about this, and he was saying that Leopard it really started to work on the staging and the rehearsals and stuff for their portion of the show. How far long was it for poison before you guys got the word that it was going to be halted did Did you guys get to a rehearsal stage? Your? Did you know sooner than that that it was not going to happen? No we didn't get to a rehearsal stage. I think we're all rehearsing individually but we. The production was coming together, so we had people in place Some of the gear was starting to get in line the buses. You know all that stuff was getting lined up, so yeah, it all got sidelined so everybody was bummed about it. You know a lot of people I mean you know we weren't headlining, so we had a little slimmed-down compared to what we normally do, but still there is some people counting on that and Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about Yeah, well, no, you weren't headlining and and obviously, but you were going to be like tonight. You would have been headlining your own show and Tulsa so there were those break off dates which I think a lot of people who are who you know, certainly big poison fans. We're looking forward to to get more of an extended set in a full show so look, everybody's been sidelined this year. It'll be great if twenty one means even more activity from the band. It sounds like that's a possibility. Yeah definitely you know I. Mean we just all need to stay? Healthy stay focused and get to next season, and in the meantime be creative and You know. Try to get through. You Know I. Mean I wish there was some magic bullet, words or Is it something but you know I got nothing for Ya Eddie. Nobody does you're right there until we get a vaccine, there is no magic bullet in everything's everything's all over the map I mean everybody has different parts of the country dealing with different things, different levels different levels of restrictions. It's just such a mixed message. I think that's really one of the big parts of the problem. So what have you been doing? Ricky and I know we're going to talk about devil sitting angels coming back here in a second, but has that been your focus with? Was that something? You were going to sort of reinvigorate regardless of if poison work this year not. You know what oddly enough. It was not a focus. I've been focused on my youtube channel. It just be a dad and done a couple of pieces for the travel channel a couple of what they're calling. Shock Docs one on Amityville, one on Halloween. See things like that and I've been focusing more on that stuff and I was talking to Brandon and I'm like look. This song is sitting there like why are we not just putting it out, and so we call? Joe And we're like look, but let's just put it out like why not and and we've just decided to do it. This song is two years old. It's ridiculous that it just sat there, but. There is a reason for that. You Know Brandon got Deal and it had made you know and poison was GonNa tour, so I'm like look, let's not. Let's just everybody. Stay out of each other's way and let's not confuse the public, but you know we got to a place now. I. Just like okay. Everybody's on hold, so why not put it out? It would make no sense not to. So, for people listening and are who are not aware of this band, the origins of this if I'm if I'm not mistaken. Trace all the way back to you originally working with Brandon Gibbs. Who is the singer in a band that played under the name, the special guest, which was basically you bobby cece with brandon singing, doing poison songs at a monsters of rock cruise pre event is. That the seeds of this whole thing. No actually it was not. Okay, so I met Brandon and his brother. They were in a band, called the gibbs brothers. They're twin brothers, and they were doing this blues days fan. They opened forest in Iowa at a Gig for poison that is and I just thought they were absolutely brilliantly talented and so I produced one of their demos, and then the brother left the ban and brandon on to do things with John Corby and all. All kinds of different people. Just you know going out and doing gigs, and so we're tracy guns and I put together the double city. Angels looking at each other going. WHO's the right singer and I said look I don't want to get it known guy because you bring known guy and then all of a sudden everyone wants to ban to sound like whatever band that known guy came from and so. I, turned him onto brandon, and he's went while this kid's great, so he was the first person we added, and then right after that we brought in Eric Birmingham who had been playing with brand as well so that's how that came together so when there was a couple of gauge that you know for poison. That didn't line up with Bret schedule. We went. We're not going to go out. There was poisoned, but let's just go play these shows and. And and we brandon for that, so that's how that happened. Because he had already met on, and you know see, she met him because you know. They came to see devil city. Play Times, and you know they're like. Yeah, this kid can bring it, so let's Let's throw him in the mix and let's not these couple of gigs out, and we had a great time doing it by the way he. He definitely did a good job with it. So my time line is because I'm forgetting that devil city angels existed before those gigs as the special guests. So that's where my timelines getting skewed so the so the tracy guns. Eric Birmingham. You guys put a record out. And then. Do. You feel that it kind of you know. The record may be got lost a little bit in the shuffle me because I. Don't think it got the attention it should have. Well I agree with you. but you know I got cancer is what happened? That was a big part of it and You know so. We couldn't work not as that lineup and Everyone's like we didn't know how long I was Gonna be or what was going to happen. If I was GONNA live die. You know be a four months six months you know, and so we're kind of destroyed that the ban and tracing. Go make a living and La guns had the opportunity to get back together and I said you should do that I mean that's your baby you know. And he did and and everybody just kind of moved on and and I was all for it. I'm like yeah, you can't wait around for me. I don't expect you to and you shouldn't and. So so that's what happened, and so we just sort of thought that might be the end of devil city officials, but Brandon I did a couple of gigs and we used Joel Kosheh. We used A. COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BASS players at different times and We just put this together for the hell of it back then it was a day off. We had a club for a couple of hours. We shot at video very very minimal, aesthetically and and then some we didn't release it. We never put it out. We're like well. Are We aband-. What are we doing? Brandon's like? Oh I'm getting ready to release other thing. They were like. Let's just put it on hold. There's just put it on hold, and so that's what we did. And that brings this kind of up to date. Really right now sounds like a lot of Tricks, but really it's. Not, that difficult to understand that the the time line I think now that I laid it out. Did you give any considering shoot? What's that? I I still like a smart ass. Just now I'm sorry. No, no, no, not at all. I'm glad I mean I'm trying to get the timeline down. Because you know, there's a lot in all honesty. Is You know there's a lot of this stuff? Especially that flies around my orbit, because I'm talking to people every day who are doing side bands, and then they break off into a solo thing and just trying to keep the lineage of the whole thing straight. was there. was there any thought given to when you started this up again just recently to? Talking to Tracy and Eric about being a part of it, or were they busy with their other stuff and you decided to go with the guys you have now. You know honestly I. Don't even think Tracy is living in this country right now I think he married a WanNa say and I don't don't quote me on this, but I think sweetest girl or something just know living. You're currently right. I speak to him all the time, but he's back now, but he was there for a long time. Okay, yeah, so we don't talk a lot. Once in a while, we'll tax you doing. Send each other pictures of our kids or something like that but you know we. We get along just fine. You Know Eric's doing the thing with most of the time So I I. Don't think that's GONNA. That's GONNA. Come back, but you know so right now. We don't have a bass player. We went outright right now and played We don't have a guy I. Mean we get somebody but so that's that's where we're at that, but it doesn't look like we can play right now anyway. Well do yeah well. Apparently, there's some places he can play, but most people don't want to, did you? Do your are your hopes now to make another record. Would you like to do that completed record with this band? I would like to. And and unless worried about doing like a whole like record as it were like they just to. You know to turn out new songs every so often I think is is a really good way to do things these days. I don't think you necessarily need to like go okay. We have to have a package of eight songs or ten or twelve or whatever you know in order to release anything I think that and be weird to do that. Do you know at a distance like us? I know that we can do a few things at a distance to do a whole record like that. We sort of would. Whether tied the band that we're a little more organic than that and we would be better off if we were in the same room, but you know you touched on something. There's so many side vans and I've been so sensitive to that. I don't I don't like to do that. I don't like I'm not one of those guys that are in a million projects and do a million different bands and stuff like that I've been in two bands. you know since nineteen eighty six? That's poison and double city angels I haven't done anything else. I mean that's. That's all I do, and I come from the old school where a band is like a and you know, and and so that that's Kinda, my head space, so it's gotta be special for me. to to really jump in with both feet. When you when you guys played with Brandon Gibson. That that time under ended the poison set under the name, the special guests, there are a lot of people that interpreted that as a shot across the bow to Brett to pull Brett back into the fold, because he does so much solo stuff and you guys wanted them. Do Poison, stuff accurate, or is that out line to think that? Well. You know what I've talked about this before and a little bit it was, but it wasn't like a major Fsu wasn't like that. At least just like look, we can do gigs to and. and that's that's all that really was you know? I, don't think poisoned. is in danger of breaking up really for any reason because I think. After all this time, we've learned to respect each other's space and we understand who each other is each other's needs, and I know that sounds all Hippie dippy, but it it it works for us. You know what I mean like you know. Brett likes to do solo stuff I mean he does he. He needs a certain amount of time to You know, go in that direction and so you know. Know as long as that space spaces given. You know you know everybody's free to do really sort of what they wanders. No reason to really put a limit on that You Know I. I wish that we did do more things with poison I do all to do a new record. I'd love to get over to and South America and those kinds of things i. don't know if that's in the cards. Anytime soon or not, but but I for one would like to do that. and there has been some talk about it. I was GONNA. Ask You? Why do you think it's because I've had Brennan here a bunch of times and it's always the the idea is always sort of like being open to making a song or an album with poisoned, but it just doesn't seem to happen, and you know you talk about the idea of all being in the same room to make record which as Iraq fan I mean I. Love hearing that because I. You know. I'm an old school guy and I think that's a great. Great Way to make music, but I have a ton of artists on this show every day that are making records virtually, and I did my stuff and I sent it to him, and although I. Don't think that's ideal. There's a lot of music comes out in that way. So why do you think it's so difficult for you guys to even make a new song given that especially now with everybody in lockdown you could actually be at least passing around ideas, or are you looking at that? Like I said there's been talk about it. but I haven't gotten a call that said Hey. We have something here. You ready to do a drum track, or what do you think of this idea? You know we haven't gotten to that stage yet I don't know why I you know I've I've done this with devil city angels, so I can certainly do it with poison. Well hopefully that happens because I know there would be a lot of people that are left to at least hear a song and I think there was even some talk leading into the stadium tour when it was originally going to happen that maybe there would be a song or something, which is something that Brett said I think on this show potentially doing a song to to sort of commemorate the band starting up again, but Doesn't sound like anything. His point. Well I'll tell you I'm all for that. I think it would be great and so you know you got my vote for sure. He's got find three more. Yeah, but Well I, said their husband. Talk about that and Cece played me some stuff on the phone and we talked about I. Mean there are some ideas floating around? For sure it's just I. Don't like to say Oh yeah. We're GONNA, do it, and then it doesn't happen, and then who's to blame and then it turns into this whole thing and rock has become. This journalistically has become this trap for like. He said she said kind of stuff and. Some you know I? Just you know when I actually when something's actually don, it's out. That's when you go IRT is. You can't argue what? You know what I mean. You touched on your health a second ago with having cancer and I remember. Gosh I remember as a few years ago. Now my time timelines are always bad, but I remember. Number years ago, I forget where we were at some festival somewhere, and and I remember you or they're performing with Brandon and I. Remember talking to you and your voice was very. You're SORTA whispering when you spoke to me and and everything, and then you know you revealed that you had had cancer, and you sound great now. How how are you health wise, we're. We're things that with that. Are you completely in remission? Yes. So, yeah, that show was that one that really turned into a mess We got paid they orders. It didn't get paid. It was that one. yeah, so that was I knew that I i. mean I had been diagnosed and I knew that I was going to have to go into treatment and a couple of weeks, so I went ahead and did that. You know that show and I. I think three or something in that period of time. And then I just basically came back and lockdown so yeah. I just had a scan a pet scan three weeks ago and I've been. In remission over four years now. Good for you man. That's awesome. The cancer was what exactly wasn't Ricky I. Remember you. Talked about it, but was it is in your throat or Tong. Yeah it was the base of tongue. With an associated lymph node which is pretty common you know as far as like met cancers these days HP. The related had that cancers, usually our base of tongue and You know there's a few people that I've. Mentor or Health Out and many of them are musicians. You know what I mean, and HP pretty ramp, you know. I mean it really is if you have a kid, get inoculated Was it the same thing. About that? Was it the same thing bruce? Dickinson hat. Was it the same thing? Bruce Dickinson? It is the same thing. Bruce Dickinson had yes, and and Dave stain. And what were your events? Well I had a sore throat. That wouldn't go away. that was the main thing and then my lymph node that was Kinda sticking out. And and that was the. Telco I mean they you know I stay, tried antibiotics, and they didn't work all than even touch it, so it was like okay. We need to do a biopsy. We're going to go down in scope and take take a little, and there was a lump down there and and you know then. It started to get you know. After a few weeks, it started to get hard to swallow. You know, 'cause the lump. Getting bigger tumor is getting bigger so I went and did you know the typical treatment for it, which is Chemo and radiation, and it did not work and that, and by the way it's a fairly terrible cancer so there's a good. There's a high especially with HP a high percentage rate of success with it of cure but in my case it didn't cure and so My options were our whole lot less. Oh. My doctor told me recently he didn't tell me this before, but told me recently that I had about a ten percent chance if I would have went down the regular path, but we didn't used immunotherapy, and it put it in remission in about ten weeks. It's when it works. It is amazing. Wow Wow thank God it did man. That's that you hear about this Tom Hamilton and aerosmith. I'm not exactly sure he has, but he has a cancer in his throat and same deal like I remember I've talked to Tom and remember I talked to same thing almost like. Oh, springtime, particularly because you can't you? I guess you just can't get air through their whatever and it's just. It's just a horrible thing. I imagine it's just to be scary as hell. I think Tom. I mean unless something has happened. Since then. He had it twice and. He I. Don't know a lot about his story I. Did talk to Him. face to face about it and. He had he had a surgery a pretty radical surgery and I think he's okay. You is back with him. Well I don't know if he's I. Don't know I I wouldn't speak on what his situation is because I don't know the last time I spoke to him I remember I mean he's so thin and I remember saying to my Gosh Tom and he said he had difficulty eating like he basically has to drink his meals because he. It was painful for him to eat so I. You know he's still play, and he's still rock, and he seems to be okay, but I. Just don't know if you know what he went through has. Unfortunately A long-term effect because you sound great and it's. It's great to hear that everything is behind you as far as this. There's no no precautions nothing you have to do now going forward. You're totally in the clear. Yeah I am in the clear I. have to have you know I get scoped every six months for a while, and I get a scan every year. and You know I talked to my doctor. You know we sort of become friends and we taxed if I have any concerns and but yeah. I think in Tom's case in a lot of people's case. If they have surgery, especially a radical surgery it removes part of the tongue, if not the whole thing, and if you do that, makes it. It extremely or impossible to speak, and that was what I was you know offered. Was this surgery and I didn't WANNA do it. a lot of people wind up with Estonia. They wind up with a bag. You know a feeding tube for life and A, and that's the worst more the worst case scenarios actually Tom has part of his his tongue, and so he can speak, but it's difficult. It's difficult for those muscles to work and swallow food and for him to talk that ad so I from. Everything I understand that he's fine now in terms of cancer, but he does have the side effects of the surgery. I can't speak on his behalf I. Feel terrorized. Saying it's just. What I know of it and what I know of other patients that went he stuff my trainer. My physical trainer went through at twenty two years ago and he had the surgery Chemo and radiation and Portas Muscle groups in his neck or missing and this guy. Just I mean there's still a beast. He doesn't Egypt. Goes for it, but you can see it, and you can see how it affected him. as far as. the radiation affected me, so I didn't muscle spasms in my neck or you know I grapple, so if you guys so sometimes, I am more susceptible to injury in that area and stuff like that, but and I eat anything I want, but I have to sit up straight If I lean back in my chair, I sometimes I'll aspirated. You know what I mean and I'll be coughing on like You know but you know outside of that. I think if you sat down to a meal with me, probably wouldn't notice anything different I'm very lucky in that way. What about singing you sing backing vocals while you play drums a lot. What is your voice there for singing? Yeah, it's fine. Actually like like I said I. Was Super Super Lucky and also? Have, somebody. If, there's anybody out there right now. That number one has symptoms and number two is going through this or about to go through this. I urge them to find a center that that offers immunotherapy because immunotherapy. You don't have all the side effects of Chemo and radiation It doesn't work for everybody, but they know how to test to find the right path ways to see if it will and I'm telling you it is a like it's miraculous. It really really is great. Yeah, I talked to Bruce Dickinson quite a bit about it, and I went to see iron maiden after he went through everything, and he was very public about what he went through, and when I watched iron maiden he, he would couple of things I noticed during the show, he he, literally in the middle of the show over the PA told them to kill all the air conditioning, because it was hot and humid in the room, but that's how we as a lead singer out how it helped him, and he had little stations all over the stage water so. Was a big issue in keeping his wife, and you would imagine me. He's a guy working a huge stage running around singing that that would be a concern, did amazingly my God. He sounded incredible. You never know, but there were these little things that obviously because I think he went the chemo route that are now stuff he just has to deal with. Yeah. It's not the chemo that that does that it's the radiation. The radiation kills the salivary glands. It depending on where the cancer is, they have to focus out radiation, and it's very difficult to miss the that they do their best to miss the salivary glands, but most of the time it hit something at least some of the over spray, and there's another reason why I say immunotherapy not to say that there hasn't been a lot of people saved from the standard of. Of Care because they're definitely has been, but that's. What does it just it just and sometimes the salivary glands come back sometimes the only come back fifteen percent forty percent. You never know. I have some issues with salary land, so I drink all the time. you know like I, when during a meal, taking a lot of sips and stuff like that especially with bread or pastas. Stuff but you know that's probably what he was experiencing, so it's the radiation is what it is. That's what does it. You and I share. The same birthday were both eight eighty dollars. Isn't it wonderful getting old and it's coming up. Fast Right. Same. We're less than a month out earn. It is exactly what these are the things we talk about now. That fans say to me all the time. Like what's it like the impact stage with these guys and no one Mike. It's great. We talk about what cholesterol meds were on. Let's. Welcome to. Be I'm going to be fifty six. Are you the same exact age as me? I am older than you. I'm I'm Mad I'm your senior come odd? Yeah Man I'm. I'm fifty eight, yeah? I got some come on. We're the same ballpark there. My God we'll look like you said it beats the alternative man. That's what's important in the you're still. You're still good, and you're still rocking, are you? Are you still doing the drum shop? Are you still doing drums? I that was another thing that Kinda disappeared with with what I went through, because it was a year battle or more, and so now I'm not and to start back up. It's you know it's possible that one day I will, but right now it's just such a financial burden especially in this. What's happening right now? They just wouldn't make sense so I'm playing Dwi I've always played D. W. Hardware for thirty years and I played their drums for eighteen or something, and so I'm playing Dwa now. I'm happy. I don't have to worry about waking up and having customers complain because. Something didn't show up in time. You know whatever? And last thing before I let you go on. Today is thirty five years ago since live aid. What do you remember live aid i? Imagine you guys were kids still just trying to get started with poison and moving La and all that? What are your memories of live eight and were gathered around watching? Do you have anything you could share? Now lie. They was the one with Freddie Mercury correct. Yeah, Queen and Zeppelin reunion which I forgot about. It wasn't on the ad I read earlier, but Zeppelin and Sabbath reunited with Ozzie and David Bowie and that was the one philly and London as sites. Right yeah, it was Yeah, that was incredible and if you see the. Queen movie that is like a marked point in time. You know what I mean. they really Kinda. Put the band back together, although it was a little, a little late in some ways, but yeah man I mean just a it was a massive massive effort you know. I'm just thinking that. Festival. Well Yeah, but I'm just thinking with live aid. The timing being eighty five I poison record was what I think. Eighty six, so you guys could be could have been gathered around watching MTV thirty five years ago today, and then like a year later senior Mug all over it, which would have been pretty cool. Yeah but you know what you know, the live aid and those bands that played that are like that the level that level. It's just like I mean I. Just you know at that time especially in nineteen, eighty six I. There was no way I would have ever. Or Eighty. Five rather I would've never assoociated, plus with anything that was happening on. That stage would have been like Oh. My God I'm not worth you know. Now if there was alive today, you know maybe would be invited to play it. You know that would be awesome. I wish there wouldn't be something like that. quite frankly with what's going on with the social distancing and all that. It's not but you know. Yeah, that would be God. Wouldn't that be great? You know to do a to do another love. Those big festivals the festival we forget. That you know that that was sponsored by Apple. You Know I. Mean How rock and Roll is apple? Wozniak yes, of course you have back in the day. And there were two of them I realize there was one there was one in eighty two, the one. We all remember his eighty-three, but there was one the year later which I completely forgot about. He lost his ass on it. I know that but I met Wozniak. several years ago. I'M GONNA. Say maybe six years ago. Nicest guy ever and just starts talking to you like he's known you always life I mean. Whatever whatever subjects at hand? That's where you'll start talking about and I'm like any gave me his card and it was this highly precision machine laser cut piece of aluminum business card and I still have it today. It's like Holy Fuck, Steve Wozniak. Business Card now I'm sure it goes to the number. He gives everybody else, but still it's school, right? That's awesome. I. Mean who would have thought wasn't the act. Was The you know one of the early adopters for huge festivals? You know. Yeah, yeah, he just took a shot. Still Counting Board stock of course. But you know me and Mike for that era, you know. Yeah yeah, well, listen Bro. It's great catching. Put My. What's that I sounds great catching up with you, but yeah, go ahead and plug what you want ahead. Yeah I just WANNA I wanNA plug my my youtube channel because I worked very hard on it and it's Liqi. Rockets legend tripping I do urban legends on here I drive all over on my motorcycle and investigate. spooky stories and stuff like that and sometimes I do motorcycle, reviews and gear or too, but once the addressing. On. What is it Ricky rockets want to? Wicky Walk? It's just a youtube bricky Lockett. Just search your name on Youtube okay. Yeah, Yup? I do Yeah it's it's fun stuff I. You know I cover zombies, and Vampires and monsters and huntings, and all kinds of fun stuff. Oh, wow, my my other passion. I was unaware of that will have to do a whole. `nother show on that. I had no idea that you were doing stuff like that, so I will definitely search it, and and check it out I. I have a little vacation home. That I've been a lot of time out of the Jersey shore, and I only have a streaming on the TV. There I don't put cable in because we're not there all that often so I'm always looking for cool things to stream and watch so I will pull that up and check it out. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah please do please do. There's a lot of fun stuff on there. Listen, man, it's great to catch up with you I. Wish You were out there rock this summer. Hopefully fingers crossed. It happens next summer and a most happy that you're healthy. That's the most important thing and I'm looking forward to I. Hope you guys make. New, music a whole record with devil city angels because this song. The reason I tell you I reached out to you inspired by how good the song was. It's a really good song, and we're going to let the audience here it in its entirety, GonNa. Take a break and we're GONNA. Come back and we're GONNA hit it for everybody, so they can hear what you're what you're working on, and we're devastating city angels are headed. Right on, thank you so much Eddie I appreciate it. Thanks, everybody for listening. I appreciate that as well. You got a man best to your family. Stay well and. Whenever. I was coming. I tell a every month, but whenever I get back out there I'll hitch up left to do something at the rainbow, or whatever and and hang a little bit, but I'll definitely be in touch. That'd be great where mask. I think we're going to be saying that for a long time ricky. Bring your hand sanitizer and bring your mask. Or you know what master on me I exactly. All right take care of yourself all right, thank you. Bye Now. Thanks to Ricky rocket a poison great conversation, check out that new devil city Angel Song testify. It is out right now. We'll come back and be joined by Charlie. Star blackberry smoke next on the trunk podcast. This is the Eddie Trunk podcast. Now our second interview of this week's podcast star of blackberry smoke enjoy. Charlie. How are you brother? Eddie I'm doing well. How how are you doing? I'm good man. I was thinking about this and I I've asked all the artists the last few months that have been on this show this question because. It's the story of the day. Where were you and where was blackberry smoke? When lockdown happen where you guys out on the road, I know you're opening shows for skinner's right. I don't know the time line on that though. No we were in Canada. We were on a Canadian tour of our own and had just played Montreal. when the plug got pulled, and at that point we had like we had eight shows left, and some had been canceled and some Some of the promoters were saying. No, we're cool. Come on! and. That night I. Think everybody was like. I think we should get home before the borders get closed because there was a big scare right at that moment to you know like Oh. If we don't go home now, we might not be able to go home. So, and then as soon as we decided okay, we have to reschedule this tour. Then all of the promoters fell into line and said okay. That's it pulled the plug. Yeah I don't remember how. Worked versus what happened here in the US because Canada and the US sort of lockdown kind of at the same time, right? Yeah. It was close I I remember that show where we were, it was actually in kitchener. I believe Ontario and The promoter came in, and we had a little meeting, and he said all right well I. Show is GonNa Happen Tonight, but we're closing and canceling everything starting tomorrow. And I thought. Well, that's odd okay and then about an hour later, he said Nope, that's it. We're pulling the plug. Go home. So I don't know I think everybody at that point US included. We're like what should we do? What's going on? You know how how serious and real is this? Is this a social media fire, or is this actually a scary thing? And then it turned out to be a scary thing, so we're like okay, let's go home. And did you guys drive back to Georgia or did you fly? Or how did you get back? We flew. We flew the bus driver at the time, said I'M NOT GONNA. Try to drive you home because we might get stopped He was hearing some rumblings in the bus driver world that the border was getting a little sticky. Because I've talked to bands that were in Europe. I talked to Oban that was in Italy. That was just just at the time of course which was like where really things got real, bad real quick and everybody's got a different story about this and most of the band's. Thankfully I'm talking to got back with the band and the crews being okay and healthy others not so much you know some of the the metal guys I know like in Exodus and testament. They were on a tour in Europe. Exodus Testament death angel in a at least how `bout guess, roughly four or five people from each of those groups? There's one bill on on touring package, but all got the virus and came back to the bay area. Really really sick and we're battling for a while. You guys got out unscathed as far as that. We did the only person that I know. that's been sick with my wife's sister and she was in China. And, she got really she got really sick, and it was really scary and touch and go for a while. She's fifty years old and But then she was okay, and and the she's a teacher there at an international school and It was really I don't know I I can only imagine what it was like number one to to be sick. With the virus and number to be that far away from home and at basically ground zero as far as you know at the time like What was going on, and but she's she's okay now, but man for a minute there. We were all just like. A wow, this is a. This is bad so she. Was Hostile Charlie. She was hospitalized over there like she. She actually lives. There then is what you're saying. Yeah Yeah, she lives in Shins and she was hospitalized for forty days, and so she was she. She went through the width and breadth of it. You know, and she's like I'm okay. I feel great, but they won't let me leave. And so they were basically poking and prodding every day for an extra three weeks or two weeks two and a half weeks. I think they were studying. You know people's cases as as to how it unfolded, and even how your body how your body works after you've defeated it or or live through it, so there was like they were drawing arterial blood every day, and do all these cultures and she's like Oh my God. Get me out of here. So, yeah, what an experience! Yeah! Well glad. She's Ok but man. That's that's the crazy thing. It's just it presents differently. Everybody has a different story. WHO's had it in? The crazy thing is half the people who have had it. They had it. Because you're yeah. So. That's what's really scary because that's how you can really spread it by not even knowing that you're a carrier of it, it's. It's it's nutty. Times A, and here's the other question asking all the artists which is you know getting a variety of answers to so here you are with your band, which is made its name by playing shows all over the world, and being out there on the road, and bringing great real rock and roll shows to the people. What's IT GONNA take for blackberry smoke to go back out on the road, or and do you have dates on the on the schedule now? But we have dates on the schedule from you know our our year that was booked, and and these are shows that obviously we a ton went away, and I, sitting here at home every day and wait for phone calls for more that have fallen you know. I guess basically what I'm saying is a lot of their shows for later in the fall, you know the promoters are are hanging on say and well. Hopefully these will still happen and I do too I mean we do just like you said because that's our living, you know I'd like to able to to feed the family and pay the bills, but. I who knows you know it seems like Every week I see more shows fall, and that are either either canceled. Outright are mostly postponed in our case I don't know just kind of waiting for the. Waiting for the For the light to shine a little brighter I don't know is just so much gray area. Are you the the you know. We're not going out until there's a vaccine in that camp or you in the camp. Where okay. If if we feel like the precautions are there enough of it subsided I'm willing to go out and do some shows. Yeah I'm not necessarily the vaccine person That gets really complicated. You know I think that we all. you know there was talk of some drive? In shows that hasn't manifested yet. But I talked to a couple of friends that play in bands at did those that hated it and said it was just a weird experiment. You know but I don't know I think that There's been talk of all kinds of things about play in shows. Than us with limited capacity that kind of thing and the the coordoned-off audience areas you know I think that I. Don't know I think that kind of thing will work I I. Don't think people are gonNA. I. Don't think people are GonNa wait for a vaccine audience and and the industry included I think when there's other ways around. It is what I'm getting at I. think that they'll figure out how to. Successfully and hopefully safely put people in a venue away from one another, and whatever that takes you know, but then again I say that and this morning I see that there's a couple of country guys that are being raked over the coals for. For playing a show, and apparently people just rely. Screw it. We're going to a show. I don't know I think people are just have had enough at this point of being. Cooped up, you know and They WANNA. See they wanna see a little normalcy, but I mean you know we definitely. We had some shows that we could have. That were offered like this week. And we definitely like I. Don't think so not with the Not with the numbers on the rise again and I don't know what part of it. Charlie what part of the country were those shows offered? What what? What states? One was Missouri and that show actually went away. The offer was there and then it was I. Think I think. Maybe some of the maybe the case numbers were on the rise, and they pulled the show altogether, but both remote type shows outdoor shows. You know and we've got a couple of guys in the band that are concerned for family members to people that have some compromised immune system situations, and I mean you. They really can't be too careful. You know it's like you're not gonNA. Put you know Fam-. Anybody's life at risk, but especially in their cases there their family members and I say that because they don't know you know like none of us. For some reason, it's so frustrating that we that none of us know the absolute, black and white of it, you know. Yeah, there's there's a lot of mixed messaging which is I. Think is a big part of the problem, too. You see things going off, you see. Some gatherings are K.. Some gatherings aren't okay. It's just there's just so much mixed messaging. It's really really hard for for people to navigate that coupled with the FA fatigue of being inside, and or trying to be inside me and changing everywhere, and it's also state by state. It's different it's. In New Jersey where I am the they were just about to open up a portion of indoor dining finely seconds ago. They just announced. We're delaying that. It's just. And then I have a friend of mine that lives in New Jersey. But he's from. Wisconsin and he drove to Wisconsin couple of weeks ago, and he went there and he's like. It's like nothing's happening there, so it's just it's really really really difficult I think for everybody to sort of figure this out and I think there is a bit of fatigue setting in and. I mean I feel for the artists. I mean I know that that's how you and a lot of other artists make your living and I had a guy on this show last week from an organization called Neiva. National Independent Venue Association and I'm sure a Bam like yours. Blackberry smoke probably plays a lot of these size venues that he's talking about, and there's an initiative. Save our stages that they've got going right now where they are trying to get Congress to help out these venues because he gave me a stat. That of the twenty one thousand independent venues in in the country if they don't get to open at full or close to full capacity because he said doing half capacity. Will cost them money to open if he can't sell tickets. They don't open significantly. Ninety percent will fold for good and go out of business within six months. That's where they're at right now with that so. that. That is like an and you. We're GONNA talk about this. In second because you guys have such an appreciation for the history of music and the history of these venues that you've gotten to play in work in. That's a staggering statistic that ninety percent could go away. Yeah it's it's. It's it's hard to it. It's real. It's hard to even record re brain around. You know I also something else that I noticed I saw, or heard, or read an interview with Sammy Hagar. In which he gave his opinion of going out and getting to work, you know and he and I'm I'M GONNA I can't remember. I can't quote him. Exactly but he said something like I. Mean You know people? We're all GONNA. Die you know. And he said it, and that makes sense. That's obviously the truth, but people were passed. And it's just so it's It's just disgusting to me. Social media is barely stand it, but it's like people that get so furious over a man who's talking about he's he's voicing his frustration and the press rations of. More people that we just WANNA go back to work. We just want to, and we just WANNA play music and spread love and do the things that we do you know in this man. He's not saying. You know. I think these people deserve to die. You know what I mean it's. I don't know I'm just rambling here. No, no, no I saw it. And I know Sammy really really well. He's a good friend and I love the guy and that made a lot of headlines, and you know as better as well as anyone that the the media the social media world will, and I've been victim of it and you avenue sure countless others have that they love. Click Bait and they love to SORTA. Turn things around a little. Little bit and come up up with the headline. Thing takes on its own life at some point to the point yet he had he had a retract from that a little bit, and he clarified a little bit, but here's the thing about Sammy. Having that position which I've said to a lot of people were being honest Sammy. Hagar does not need to work another day in. In his life for a hundred lifetimes, he him, he's coming that from that from a standpoint of his band, the venues the people that work at venues, the crew guys. He's a very sort of philanthropic film, Tropic Guy and knowing me how I know him the mentality. He's a guy that flies around on his own jet. It's not like I'm Sammy I need to work. I'm. I'm pretty sure he's thinking from the public. We need to get this thing going again and look even though I'm in my early Seventies. If I gotTA RUN A risk I'm willing to do it just to get the machine going again so I think there's a lot. There's a lot of different sides of that that people didn't really see from just the click bait headline. Yeah I what I took from. It was he was saying. Just what we're going through is not sustainable, not just the entertainment industry, but every industry. You know what I mean how it's. It's easy to say Okay! You can't open. You know this blanket statement that covers. So many different types of Businesses in so many industries. It's like, but when you sit and think about it is just like. How long can you say that? before risks do have to be taken On on all on all levels, you know like I, it's just. It's just the most complicated situation that I could of ever dreamed to live through. You know was. The the dates was skinner were. Did you. Do them already correct my time on that was that before the lockdown or was that scheduled coming up because I know you guys did updates scheduled with skinner, right? We. Did we did some? Yeah, we were doing some off and on here and they're just Just a few not on a tour like for the whole through the through the whole thing, just Just a couple of shows here and there, but I don't know I mean I think. They were starting to wind down their. Their Farewell Tour if I'm not mistaken aren't. They. They're not stopping. Another here. Longer by. Well well, that's the move. That's the new move now because I. Don't think anybody believes farewell towards to begin with, because nobody's ever held to it so the now now you move is it's a farewell tour, but it's GonNa. Take US ten years to finish it and just keep stretching it out purples doing kisses doing it. I saw skinner. Gosh I guess it was, when was it towards the end of last year I hosted a festival in Tennessee called exit. And they headline one of the days and I was talking to ricky and I was talking to Johnny and. John was Johnny just before they walked out on stage, said to me the way it goes having too much fun. Man I think is going to go for a little while longer. But let's say goodbye. It's GONNA be a couple of years I think. Young. People out there that love those songs. Why not? Right exactly. Yeah, well, I guess it was engineered that way I. think that all that was is is directly from Gene Simmons Plan Right. I think he's right Outta his playbook. The kiss farewell tour was in two thousand the. For twenty years going in counting so exactly. How I would imagine you guys went over a storm with skinner. I would imagine that I mean. That's a great bill. That had to be a blast for you. Guys I would think right. It has been you know we've been playing shows with them? Since the early two thousands I think the first time that we played with was two thousand and two. And we did every year of. They used to host a cruise. The simple man cruise we did all eight years of those, and so a lot of those the skin fans became bygrave smoke fans, and they stuck with us, and so it's A. We've got some shared love their. You know with them, and they've always been great to us and they never. They never a treated us like shed or did anything that that would make us never wanNA play with them again there they they treated us like family. Still do so. It's something we really appreciate. Tell me about the in this downtime. What's been going on because a lot of artists that I'm talking to are writing and? Recording virtually or with or some I've talked to even SORTA covertly. If gone into studios altogether, maybe the band members get tested or were there stay distanced, and they're going in and recording or doing it over zoom and producing records. What's been going on for your band? What are you doing creatively and this time I know there's a new EP. We're going to talk about here in a second, but above the on that. Are you working on writing a new record? Yeah I wrote a new record and we went in. It's it's pretty much finished We went in distanced and not bro, hug and and not high five, and and recorded a new a new album we did. It was Dave Cobb Wow, and it's. And you'RE GONNA, love it editor, because it's a great big guitar album. You guys got guys went. Well. We've talked about this before i. mean blackberry smoke so many people from in all the very much like skinner where you got everything from southern to country metal fans that love skinner I. Think the same could be said for your band, but sounds like you're leaning towards the the more rock inside. I think so yeah I. Think it just. Maybe it's the time, and maybe it's the way the 'cause you know. The song always dictates that really and a lot of these songs. I wrote while under lockdown. So they come lashing out I think, but as great we we did it in ten days and as with everything else you know it won't be mastered and packaged in available for a long time, because the whole industry has slowed to a standstill but it was a nice. It was a perfect time to while. We're not doing anything you know to to get some work done and. And we did, and everybody's wail and safe and all. It all turned out to be really great. Tell me about this. Ep you put out an EP of covers live from capricorn sound studios. I checked it out before I talked to you. It sounds great. It must have been a lot of fun to go in and not have the pressure of having a write songs and go in and cover classic stuff whether it be allman brothers or Marshall Tucker. Even did a little Richard Song obviously prior prior to him passing away, right? You didn't know at the time you did that. He died or that was before he died, right. It was before we did this back. In early February we, we didn't initially didn't start out with the goal of recording a project we were, we were trying to think of a way or different ways to promote. Tour which was going to be the spirit of the South tour with the almond bed span in the wild feathers, Jay Mo from the allman brothers band, and you know nothing is as powerful as video as far as a promotional tool, so we thought well we'll. We'll We'll, we'll try and come up with something. Cool a cool idea. You know for video and it just so happened that right in the middle of that conversation One of our friends contact contacted us and said Hey, you should come down to capricorn studio is reopened and they're ready for people to come make music. And I thought well, that would be perfect. We could go to capricorn and play. Some capricorn solves, and so that's what we did, so we call Jimmy Hall From and and asked. Will you come and sing a couple of songs? He's guess. Marcus Henderson that plays flute with the Marshall Tucker, band. He came and and we just went in one day one afternoon and I think we were the first band to go in and record in that room and like forty years, so they got you know they were getting. All the bugs worked out and. And, it was magical I mean to walk into that room and thing for us. You know I mean it's sort like What you would call hallowed ground to record music. in Capricorn Studios, but but to your to answer your question that the the idea was just Really to have some fun and to sort of pay tribute to some of this music, and it wasn't initially The idea wasn't for to be a project. But then you know here comes. All this craziness and and We thought well there. There might be people who wanNA. Hear this, so we package it up and there you go. When you go into a studio like capricorn were which so many so much legendary music came out of. I mean it sounds sort of goofy and Cliche, but is there a vibe? Is there an aura? Does it sort of? Does it sort of? Impact you as a musician. You know being in a in a place like that. Do you feel it? Yeah I think so, and maybe I'm just being a little romantic, but. They have it. They have it all dressed up there, too. It's a bit of a museum, so you can't forget because you're staring at a picture of the allman brothers and of reading. On the wall, so you you Kinda are constantly reminded, but but even just thinking about it as I walked through the doors. It was like okay. Well, this is it you know it'd be like going to muscle shoals, sound studios, or snacks, or even in son you know and you think about. You know these are just human beings that were standing in these spots, and they changed history. You know It's a it's. It's make Chuck Lavelle. He called that day. He lives in Macon and You know. He was a member of the allman brothers Band and ABC's level, and then obviously stones touring member now for since brought eighty nine but chuck is a sweetheart just a great person and he called and. Say What do you I heard you guys are Capcom. What are you doing I said well. We're going to film some video. Steph and he said you mind if I stopped buying. You know, Have Cup of coffee, say hello. Absolutely. So he came in, and and as he came in and was talking to me, I thought. Well Good God. This man's DNA is helping. Hold US building up. You know. and. I don't know those kind of things were were quite surreal for me. Yeah! I, mean I. Talk to like I know the guys in Tesla and they recently did a record two down the road and acoustic record, and I said Yeah. I mean that's got to be like crazy 'cause. They're all like everybody huge Beatles. Fans, whatever and I was like it must be now. They're like yeah, you know. The the studio itself becomes the bigger part of the story than what you're actually doing there. Because you just it's in your mind of what came out of this place did did. Why was it closed for? Why were you guys? The first worker in forty years was totally did they have a totally closed? Yeah Yeah it's been boarded up for decades There were records. They're made there. In the early nineties. I think that widespread panic was on the and the label was still functioning at that time. but but no, they the doors, and and a shutdown, the label years and years ago and Mercer, university down in making their responsible for this for this reopening and sort of preserving the history of all that music. You know to your point, too like the Tesla talking about Abbey road most of the reason why those rooms? Why there was so much great music recorded in those rooms is because they sound fantastic. There's something about them sonically. You know what I mean. are Acoustically, and that definitely is the case at Capricorn and who knows why 'cause. If you walk into Capricorn, you you. You wouldn't think oh I bet. This room sounds great because it doesn't look. Special in that regard, you know but as soon as you start to make music. It's like Whoa okay. You know and they know they're like. The drums always went right here because right here is where they sound the best and you know we adhered to that and. same with like with like sound city. You know the right there in Los. Angeles I think that they said the. Similar thing about that it about it that they you know you'd walk in and be like this kind of looks like a garage. But then think about all the fantastic music that's been recorded there. Yeah, yeah! Tell me about this. Little prior to the EP that we just talked about you released a a concert film homecoming live in Atlanta. Tell us about that one. Yeah that was recruited at the Tabernacle in Atlanta Georgia It's A. An interview show that we put on every year there. and people started to call it homecoming. The first few years, and and I don't know if you've been to the Tabernacle but speaking of good sounding rooms. That's another one. It's an old church. right in the middle of downtown Atlanta Street and it's beautiful inside and out and every year that W- that we would play there I would threaten to record it because it felt so good, and the audience was in such a mood. You know that we did it the night after Thanksgiving. That's that's our annual. The oil and we've. We've taken to do in two nights now and so last. Not last year, but the year previous. We did make good on the threat and brought in recording gear and captured it and the idea there was to try. To capture as much of that room and the people as much as the ban. You know that's the the. If you think about the your favorite live records, that's the goal that's always the goal to capture that give and take and the energy and and we got it. And I really it takes citing at the and those shows for us go so long. We play almost three hours so it was A. It was quite a job at the end of it all to pick and choose what songs should go, 'cause we. We didn't want to have a six record set. But But yeah, really pleased with the way it turned out and. And homecoming knows it and you you talk to some. There's some ways of some of the fans and stuff your fan base. WHO coming in for that show or you're talking about the band. It's pretty pretty remarkable, and you gotta be really proud of the. Have, said it so many times I respect the hell out of the way you guys have gone about Your Business and built the band in the in the following. You have in the work that you put into it, but it's got feel really good to have a fan base like that that is that passionate? You've got people I'm sure that come from all over the place. Far from from just your general area to come, see you or come to that show and the passion and commitment that they have for the band. It's a unique thing. I mean I know every band says. Their fans are the best you know they. Of course you've got that, and in some cases they they do have great fans, but there's also. Just as an outsider when I look at fan base is and see the interactivity in the connection in the the bond. Fans have with a band. There are these very special feels like almost a deeper community, and it definitely feels like that to me with blackberry smoke fans, and I'm sure you pick up on that as well. Oh Yeah and have for so long now you know for for years and years we. We toured this country in a van and didn't have that, and it was all it all always felt like a brand new set of people you know and we've been together. It'll be twenty years in a few months, and at some point in the middle of that you start to see the same people a few more in a few more. You know I I saw them last night I saw saw them last night, and the more that that grew the more the more touched I would feel about it. You know not to sound Corny, but it's like wow, these people are spending their heart. Hard earned money to follow us around. And nothing is a better X. or time or Gig is a better example of that then that Atlanta, show. It's a just like you said. People come from all over come from. Every state in the US and European fans and South American fans, and it's crazy I could barely rat brain around. It 'cause I. Don't know that many bands myself. That I would do that for other than the rolling stones and and led Zeppelin. I'm joking, but but it it's crazy and I couldn't appreciate it more and I will stand toe to toe those other bands and say hey, you don't have the best fans we do. You. Did you see the top documentary? Absolutely, so they tell that story I think it was in the documentary, or it may have been. Billy Gibbons was on my show right around the time. The documentary came out so I. Don't know if he said it on the show. It's in the docker. Both but he had said the story about the very very first time they played, and there was literally one person in the room. Curtain. The curtain dropped in the person was like felt so awkward, being the only one there they were gonNA leave and they go. No, no stay and they had the full show. And Billy says to this. That guy still comes around to the gigs to do. You have any stories like that from your earliest days now that the band's got twenty years in that you you. Do you see a couple people or no a couple of people in your fan base? That were there in the very beginning. That are still out there with you. Yeah! I think so nothing dramatic and cool. Is that story and like so many gibbons stories? You wonder if it's actually true. It doesn't have to be He's such a great storyteller. I know of a few people. That I can remember I don't know about the first. Show, but definitely early that I still see come around and you know, and that another thing about that. There's twenty years older just like we are and like. None of us were spring chickens. When we started so I started to think well now I'm seeing their grandchildren. Come in so. That's a you know we're we're. We're helping helping their kids grow up and their their grandchildren and. Yeah! It's a I mean music. How powerful is it? Look what it does for people you know just four and two people just so much happiness and togetherness and. What would we do without it? Yep absolutely well, I'll tell you what? Guys been making some great music. Twenty years on I can't believe it. So big anniversary here just around the corner and. Blackberry smoke is still a new band like you put in right in the work of two decades, so you're still plugging away, you're still you're still preaching to the masses, but still converting new people along the way, too, which I know is important. I mean it's still a thrill to see somebody that you know that comes to. Like the meet and greet after the show and says my friend Jeff told me you know it's come see I did and and I thought you know and that's all that'll never. That'll never get old. Yeah and I I'll be honest about it. I I heard your band because when we were doing battle show Florentin more t shirt one day, and I was like what's that band? And he said other kind of cool like a southern rock. Ping, you might like them, and is he knows I like melodic cookie stuff and I was just like really goes. Yeah, they're pretty. He won't do them gyms. Wise. You had a call. Check them out. And I'll tell you. What can I tell you what he told me about you? What you say! Well we played in It was in Pennsylvania I. Forget I. Forget the city. But, he came in. It was the first time that I met him. and I was blown away that he was there. 'cause I because you know. I mean I was like you like us Well I. Think at the time. He was married because he was married for a brief time and the woman he was married to was in the country and southern rock a lot so I'm not I'm not I'm going out on a limb here, but I think that that was probably his cook for getting into you from his end. Okay well the next time that he came, it was I think it was the Stone Pony in in Jersey and he brought on with them. And so, we were talking and I said well. What are you going to bring it? He goes. He's going to be a tough sell. He I'm not sure he'll be. Here you go so there you go, you're nobody can figure anybody out anymore. That's right that's right I, was like and I had to call him out like. Don't Pigeonhole Eddie Trunk that way? Well? It's funny, too. Because we were talking about this with some people the other day, because when we were doing that show, and of course you know, I'm still. Great Friends with Donald Jim we were texting this morning actually, but but as that show went on. Everybody like I've always had a certain lane that I liked more than other in music, and I was always more of like leaned a little more towards the hard rock in the melodic side, although I love my metal as well and then dawn took a path where he got like Wade Darker and heavier, and by the end towards the end of the last few shows he was like into death metal, and all this stuff, which I admittedly don't like and then gentlemen in this other area where he started getting into like southern rock and a whole nother world, so you just like everything. About everybody discovers things in changes in some people like. More than others, but I mean that's that's throughout time. I mean that's how it works. Yeah, you know I'm I met and became friends with Brian banker several years ago, he came to Atlanta and saw play from Brian Baker from Junkyard, minor, Threat Dag, nasty bad religion and he came, and we hung out backstage and our merch. Guy Who is an old punk guy went absolutely bananas. He was like I. Do you know who is in your dressing room right now? I said Yeah I know it's Bryant. He's really nice it came. You know he's He's like no. Do you know what band he was in? And I said Yeah I. Yeah I'm familiar well. We had never owned a minor threat record 'cause. That's not really where I come from. You know but musically. but Brian was joking about it. He was because I brought our merch guy and he was freaking out, and he wanted his autograph in his picture, made with him, and he had a bore minor threat shirt, and or went and got a record or something like that. So Brian, said I'm GonNa Guess that you Are are more junkyard guy than a minor threat got and I said well yeah, but so not to be outdone, I went and thought well. I'm not going to be just the junk yard. Guy, so I went and bought out of step minor threat record and I'm pro. I brought it home and I'm forty five years old and I come home I put on my record player and I turned it way up. My wife comes in the other room like what the Hell Are you do? You just let me out of my moment. Woman I'm having fun, but no I you know and that was new for me. That was new. You know I had never before owned a minor threat record and it's fantastic so. So. Yeah, it's all out there for us to discover right exact green. You don't have to love anything and I've always said it's okay. If you don't like something, it doesn't connect with you and if it does, that's great. It's like you know I. Don't I. Don't believe in guilty pleasures. If you like something and that makes you happy and you enjoy it. That's all. All that matters I. I never cared what anybody else thought I mean that goes back to high school man. That's why I didn't get invited to my prom 'cause. I couldn't care less than people thought I was on. Cool for what I like, so I've always been sort of defiant about it. I respect everybody's opinions and I think everyone's entitled to. There's as well. Yeah, that's the beauty of it. Beauty the beauty of music. Yeah, it sure is well. Listen Man. It's great to talk to you and always good. Check in with you. Everybody check out the latest EP from blackberry smoke. It's out there right now. Live the capricorn sound studios, these six tracks, these guys doing some great covers of music that originally came out of that historic studio. The live in Atlanta concert is out there for everybody to see as well. That's been out for a little bit now, but that's the most recent video thing and I'm looking forward to this record man. It sounds like the minor threat influences worn off on you a little bit. Yeah, that's exactly right, yeah! Twelve two minutes. We're holding. We're now. We're waiting for some really punky crazy edgy blackberry smoke record to come out. I love. Another band. I love that people wouldn't think that I. Like is I love soul asylum and I think they've burners, just a genius writer and I love. They made a great new record and I perner on a couple of months ago and He said to me goes. Goes the next. This record's not really all that heavy. He goes, but I'm really thinking about the next won't be a metal record. All asylum in. Would you do what you write is perfect for what you do. You don't have to make because what I really want to. He goes I might WanNa talk to you about that a little bit. I said well. If you want to, so, it was pretty funny. Man because everybody's got different issues, they WANNA scratch. You know. Yeah. That's exactly right. I mean I I've always felt really fortunate. You know to your point and not to make this any longer, but are fans. They afford us the freedom because we've never worked with a major label, so thanks to our fans, we can make a living and make the records we wanna make, and every every record gets to be like I'm like a a roller coaster. You know heavy songs and Funky songs and laid back songs, and you know if we were working with the major label, they would say hell. No, you can't do that. You gotTA. You GotTa to this formula. That's what that's. What makes money. And I like the people who like it all. Yeah well. Listen and the way you've done. It certainly worked for you. Stay well there. Stay safe best to the band and hopefully next time I talked to you at least on the air. We'll be talking about this record about to be released and everybody back out on the road. Doing what everybody wants to be doing so. Best to your. Family Charlie thank you for the time today and always good talk to you, Bro! Thank you so much same to you immigrant. Always great to visit with Charlie Great. Guy Great Band I. Thank Him for the time on this week's podcast. Also thanks earlier of course to ricky. Rocket as I was saying earlier next week, I should have all things work out the right way. A podcast exclusive debut in right here on the podcast next. Thursday and exclusive conversation with Black Crowes original Drummer Steve Gorman talking about he's incredible new autobiography, the life and death of the Black Crowes looking forward to that next week. Remember follow on social media at Eddie Trunk. Twitter instagram fan page on facebook and of course Katie. As always is the producer of the anti-trump podcast. You guys have a great week. Listen to me every day on Sirius Xm. If you're in the US or Canada live four PM Eastern time on one zero six volume, or on the Sirius. 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