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20200429 Nicole Sandler Show - Another Wednesday from the Quarantine Zone- and Don Siegelman Too

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20200429 Nicole Sandler Show - Another Wednesday from the Quarantine Zone- and Don Siegelman Too

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. If you're this question advised Nicole's questioning authority. That could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey you do the music. Venue here beneath my voice is from broadcast. Sound Library that I paid for an Hamlin receipts that you're happy right violation right here and now here's Nicole. Welcome to a Wednesday. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to you. Live at Nicole Sandler Dot Com. Also facebook live in addition to Youtube. Where we're branching out over here and You know doing things just so you know working behind the scenes trying to get the show out as well as we can and to that end. I know I've been trying things with the equipment here and you know it's always hitting with my show. Technical problems are us but I ordered a new piece of equipment today. We got our twelve hundred dollar government. Payoff check not that you don't do much good in the big scheme of things that hundred dollars honestly in twenty twenty dozen go very far. But I'm pulling four hundred dollars out of it to buy a new audio console which hopefully will take all of my different inputs and and Give a better end product. So keep your fingers crossed. It should arrive on Saturday and I know what I'll be doing this weekend studio rebuilding yet again so Hey we got that to look forward to right so that's on the docket Coming up in the show today. I'm I'm I'm excited to talk to Governor Don Siegelman. Hopefully you know if you've been a listener of this program Moore paid attention to progressive politics for any amount of time. You know the name Don Siegelman. He was the governor of Alabama until he became the subject of a political vendetta really waged by. I believe Karl Rove and To make a long story short Don Siegelman wound up being persecuted. I prosecuted and persecuted and wound up serving five years in federal prison for a bullshit bribery. Charge it. This was a political prosecution. This was he was a political prisoner inside the United States and what happened to him was a travesty. Well thankfully he's out of prison but it was a brilliant. Political career was derailed. I mean Don Siegelman could have an would have been a great president should have been president. He was the first progressive politician elected. Governor I think in the country certainly in Alabama and and again he was targeted by the Republicans by Karl Rove by the Bush administration because he was a progressive. Anyway he's got a new book coming out and the book I I'm just starting to read it now. It's called stealing our democracy. It'll be released in June so we're not going to talk about the book today because I really don't want to get into the book until I've had a chance to read the whole thing and then also watch. There is a film called Abacus versus the architect the political assassination of Don Siegelman so when when the governor joins me again in June upon release of the book. We'll get into all the gritty of what happened to him. And in this case it was what happened to him. It's not anything he did. He did nothing wrong but was targeted again as a political assassination that's the way to put it And wound up five years in federal prison but the governor sent me a text last night and I know this is something that the there's something he's really concerned about and I know how much it weighs on him. He wrote a letter to The Wall Street Journal. Couple of weeks ago that was published. I can't pull it up because behind a paywall but I know he wrote the letter He appeared with both Thom Hartmann. And Brad Friedman in subsequent weeks to talk about the issue of Cova Nineteen and prison and it is ugly and so at the bottom of the hour will be joined by Governor Don Siegelman. I urge you to stay tuned. He's a fascinating man if you don't know enough about him. You should preorder his book stealing our democracy in fact put a link on the blog at Nicole Sandler dot com after the show. Where I post the podcast to a place where you could buy it. That's not Amazon. In case you know in case you're interested so we'll get to Don Siegelman There's a lot of news to get to today and I gotta Say I'm I'm disgusted but we've been disgusted. But the gas lighting coming from this administration is just atrocious. It's I mean listening to Donald Trump. I know again. It's it's it's my job so I feel like I have to but I also get into that thing where I turn it on. And it's like the train wreck you can't turn away from. I can't stop because I want to know. What kind of fucked up? Bullshit thing. He's going to say next. And for instance yesterday did I did I. I don't know if I didn't pull anything from yesterday. But instead of playing something from him I want to play for you. Something that happened this morning on Fox in fines. I know it's Fox and friends. You know. Cut Me some slack here to me their fins. They're not my friends. I know they're not your friends so they're fiends anyway so yesterday we reached to pretty horrible milestones right the US past the the the million mark one million plus confirmed cases of Kovic nineteen in the United States and globally. It's just over three million so a country with that has the four percent of the global population accounts for thirty three percent of the covert nineteen infections on the planet. Just let that sink in for a moment how badly we failed and then yesterday we pass the fifty seven thousand Americans Dead Mark. Fifty seven thousand and the reason that number was important. It's because that's how many had so many lives America lost in the Vietnam War so more people killed in a matter of what two months from this virus that got out of control. I say due to the negligence of this administration and the world on the world stage we have a third of all confirmed cases while our population represents four percent of the planet's population. There's something really seriously wrong there. So you think perhaps perhaps the Gov- The government should take responsibility for their actions. So what happened on Fox and fiends this morning? Well Jared Kushner. You know the first son-in-law who say you know what we may as well be in some Banana Republic where the leaders family all has important and jared Kushner. You know he's the guy who is in charge of everything right. So Jared Kushner is on Fox and friends this morning and he actually had the gall to say this and again we're on the other side of the medical aspect of this and I think that we've achieved all the different milestones that are needed so the government federal government rose to the challenge and this is a great success story. What it's a great success story. We have a million plus confirmed cases of Kovic. Nineteen and more people have died in the last two months in the United States from it then were killed in Vietnam War. That's a great success story. This has gas lighting years ago. I coined a new phrase and granted. It didn't just grow out of the trump administration. I've been using this term since the Bush years. And it's you know it's when I get so crazed that people are saying people elected officials mostly say one thing when the truth is the exact opposite and I call it opposite world. You never knew it. Sideways is straight ahead. No LONGER MATTER. Reality is now fiction. There's the signpost you're next on the world we live it every day and you listen to this moron open his mouth and every time he does. It's just spew bullshit. The man is a consummate liar. The only thing he's really good at lying and bamboozling at least thirty percent of the American people who actually will support this maniac. It's absolutely incredible. And then you know he'll say. Things like injects disinfectant or stick an ultraviolet light up your ass to cleanse your body and then when states report. Hundreds of calls coming into their helplines about ingesting disinfectant. He says the I don't have anything to do with that. Ryan Carom who was one of my favorite members of the White House. Press Corps was at the briefing yesterday. Was it yesterday two days ago whenever it was two days ago. And he asked him about this and Donald Trump's reactions will exactly what you would expect people using disinfectant. These talking about please in the back now and that other states governor Larry Hogan specifically said they seen a spike in people using disinfectant. After your comments last week I know you said they were Sarcasi- I can't imagine why I can't imagine why yeah. Responsibility Auburn Imagine. I can't imagine that. Yeah go ahead please for it and that was it and he just writes it off. I can't imagine why because you told them to do it. Even though you are a bumbling fool a complete Joe tarred thank you Kim Jong. Hoon for the word and a more on an idiot. You're also the president of the United States and there are a lot of people you know those poorly educated people that you like so much who listen to what you say yet. You take no responsibility. It doesn't work that way. You can't take no responsibility. So there was a a a an editorial printed the other day in the Irish Times. And you know I I call all over the world doing my quarantine calling. I like to know what people in other countries are thinking about. What's going on over here because I can just imagine right and now we have an insight. I wasn't going to read this because it's long but I reached out to the writer. A man named Fenton O'Toole and sadly I haven't heard back from him and so I am going to share this with you but before we get to this because it's going to Piss you off a little bit. Let's take care of some fun. I'd like to start the show with something funny because things are you know tend to get real during the course of the program and yeah so laughter's important medicine and we can all use more of these days so for the next couple of minutes anyway. We'll listen to a group that I've come to love. They're they're fairly new producing parody videos. On Youtube they go by the The name founders. Sing in this case. It's not a founder. Who's singing Well I'm turn remember who it was. Who who is doing the vocalizing too. I don't remember we'll just have to watch it to find out. Take it away founders. Sing heard a lot from the salt. Those remember like your Rut Gold drunk on Hi Hi hive takes the cake. When he got on the mic shop that that does aside and then put out a call to try. Lies have y you get so well as la. La Allies saw the world's a while Wii last so say Bang Some screen times. Wow Not oh you know I. It was was My Corona that everyone was parenting and now they're all parodying the kinks. Lola la La La La. I saw that. Courtesy of the founders. Sing you can find them on Youtube. Of course I will post the video to that wonderful parody that will be stuck in your head all day on the blog it Nicole Sandler dot com all right coming up governor. Don siegelman joining in. And if time what's news 'cause there's news trying to think if there's anything that I need to tell you know it's the same old shit so let me share with you. This editorial that appeared in the Irish Times on April twenty fifth so just four days ago because it is so spot on in a couple of people shared it with me of the email and social media and you know again my first reaction was. This is well. It's painful but every word of it is true and Well so here. Here's a sort of a snapshot of what the rest of the world is thinking when they look at the disaster. That is the United States of America. Today Under this Kovic nineteen crisis. He writes well. The headline and chances are right the headline because most article or op ED writer. Don't write the headlines. But the headline works in this case the headline reads the world has loved hated and envied the US now for the first time we pity it. Oh proud to be an American thing. Everyone all right so here. Here's how it goes over. More than two centuries. The United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world love and hatred. Fear and hope envy and contempt. Aw An anger but there's one emotion that has never been directed toward the US until now pity however bad things are most other rich democracies. It is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for Donald Trump. In Two thousand sixteen yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist to instead of protecting his people from Kovic nineteen has amplified. It's Li Thallady. The country trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful will America Prestige ever recover from the shameful episode the US went into the corona virus crisis with immense of ages precious weeks of warning about what was coming. The world's best concentration of medical and scientific expertise effectively limitless financial resources a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world's leading technology corporations yet it managed to make itself the global epicenter of the pandemic. Ain't that the truth. It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a national disaster or natural disaster. Quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time willfully malevolently vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail as in one degree or another. Most governments did quite another to watch a ruler in his supporters actively spread a deadly virus trump. His party and Rupert Murdoch's Fox News became vectors of pestilence pestilence same thing I just mispronounced sorry. The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people. Some of them armed to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives as the manifestation of a political death wish what are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge have been used by trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror. Show in which all of the neuroses that haunt the American sub-conscious dance naked on live television. If the plague is test its ruling political nexus ensured that the US would fail it at a terrible cost in human lives in the process. The idea of the US is the world's leading nation. An idea that has shaped the past century has all but evaporated other than the trump impersonator jared Naro in Brazil who has now looking to the U. who is now looking to the US as the exemplar of anything other than what not to do. How many people in Dusseldorf for Dublin? Or wishing they lived in Detroit or Dallas. It's hard to remember but it's hard to remember now but even in two thousand seventeen when trump took office the conventional wisdom in the. Us was that the Republican Party and the broader framework of US political institutions would prevent him from doing too much damage. This was always a delusion but the pandemic has exposed it in the most savage way what used to be called mainstream. Conservatism has not absorbed trump. He has absorbed it almost the entire right wing. Half of American politics has surrendered objectively to him. It is sacrificed on the altar of Wanton Stupidity the most basic ideas of responsibility care and even safety thus even at the very end of March fifteen republican governors had failed to order people to stay at home or close non essential businesses in Alabama for example. It was not until April third. That governor Kay Ivey finally issued a stay at home order in Florida or I am hello. The state with the highest concentration of elderly people with underlying conditions Governor Rhonda Santa's Ah trump many be kept the beach resorts open to students traveling from all over the US for spring break parties even on April first when he issued restrictions disentis exempted religious services and quote recreational activities. Georgia Governor Brian Camp when he finally issued a stay at home order on April first explained. We didn't know that the virus can be spread by people without symptoms until the last twenty four hours now. I'm adding this part. Proving that he's a fucking imbecile. Sorry this is not mere ignorance back to the written text here. It is deliberate and Homicidal Stupidity. There is as the demonstrations this week and US cities have shown plenty of political mileage in denying the reality of the pandemic. It's fueled by Fox News and far right Internet sites and it reaps for these politicians millions of dollars in donations mostly in an ugly irony from older people who are most vulnerable to the corona virus. It draws on a concoction of conspiracy theories hatred of science paranoia about the WHO. Deep State and religious providential ISM IN OTHER WORDS. God will protect the good folks that has now very deeply infused in the mindset of the American right trump embodies and enacts this mindset but he didn't invent it the US response to the corona virus crisis has been paralyzed by a contradiction that the Republicans have inserted into the heart of us democracy on the one hand. They want to control all the levers of governmental power on the other. They've created a popular base by playing on the notion that the government is innately evil and must not be trusted. The contradiction was manifest two of trump's statements on the pandemic on the one hand that he has total authority and on the other hand that I don't take responsibility at all caught between authoritarian anarchic. Anarchic IMPULSES. He is incapable of coherence. This great line but this is not just donald trump the crisis has shown definitively that trump's presidency is not an aberration. It has grown on soil long prepared to receive it. The monstrous blossoming of misrule has structure and purpose and strategy behind it. There are very powerful interests who demand quote freedom in order to do as they like with the Environment Society and the Economy. They have infused a very large part of American culture with the belief that freedom is literally more important than life my freedom to own assault weapons. Trump's your right to get shot at school now my freedom to go to the barber in parentheses he writes. I need a haircut. Read one banner this week in Saint Paul Minnesota trump's your need to avoid infection usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself. There's the comforting thought that if things were really serious it would all stop people would sober up instead. A large part of the. Us has hit the bottle even harder and the president his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks. There's been no moment of truth. No shock of realization that the antics have to end no one of any substance on the. Us right has stepped into say. Get a grip. People are dying here. This is the mark of how deep the trouble is for. The US is not just. Trump is treated the crisis merely as a way to feed tribal hatreds but that this behavior has become normalized when the freak show is live on. Tv every evening and the star is boasting about his ratings. It's not really a freak show anymore for very large and solid block of Americans. This is reality and the it'll get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months power in his inaugural address in two thousand seventeen. He evoked American American carnage and promised to make it stop but now that the real carnage has arrived. He's reveling in it. He is in his element as things get worse. Help pump more hatred and falsehood. More death wish defiance of reason indecency into the groundwater if a new administration succeeds him in twenty twenty one it will have to clean up the toxic dump. He leaves behind if he is reelected. Toxicity will have become the lifeblood of American politics either way. It'll be a long time before the rest of the world can imagine America being great again. Now you know I had to read it to you again. The words of a a an Irishman named Fenton O'Toole that was published April twenty fifth in the Irish Times. If you're wondering what the rest of the world thinks about us there you have it. Stunning absolutely stunning all right. Let's do a little bit of news shall we? There's there's some new news I already played. Ya The jared Kushner thing. We'll do we'll do a little bit of it lies okay so we told you this already. The grim milestone of one million confirmed covert nineteen cases reached in the US. Yesterday the country as I mentioned earlier with about four percent of the global population is reported. One third of the world's Corona Virus Infections and fifty seven thousand was the number of Americans who died in the Vietnam War. We've passed that. We're as of as of this morning. There were one million. Nineteen thousand one hundred seventy confirmed corona virus cases here in the US and fifty eight thousand six hundred eleven deaths. And should I remind you of? Of What Jared. Kushner said on Fox and fiends this morning and again we're on the other side of the medical aspect of this that we've achieved all the different milestones that are needed so the the government government rose to the challenge and this is a great success story. Oh God Hey. Donald almost caught don. Jr. There's another John Junior. Hey Jared I got a little song for you moving right along. Here's the news from today. Despite Donald Trump's frequent claims that created the best economy in the history of the world? We have been writing the longest ever economic expansion following the great recession. It's an eleven year old growth trend that started under the Obama Administration after digging out from George Bush's Crash. Well that eleven year growth trend has now ended this morning the Commerce Department released its report on the GDP and it's official the US economy shrank by four point eight percent in the first quarter the biggest decline since the great recession and and economists are warning quarter to is going to be even worse and trump in his idiocy was like. Ho quarter three and quarter four. Or you're GonNa be great giving me the best average great time to buy stocks now after saying originally that they would join the Senate and returning to DC and reconvening on Monday. The House majority leader. Steny hoyer yesterday announced that after consulting with Capitol Police who said or I'm sorry the Capitol physician. There's a doctor who who tends to members of both chambers of Congress. The doctor said there was a risk to members that he wouldn't recommend taking by returning to DC. The House run by the Democrats. Said you know what we're not ready yet. Everyone's going to stay home. They'll keep doing their work by telephone by conference call and everything else but we're not coming back yet because the numbers of infections in the DC metropolitan area are still rising. This has not hit its peak in Washington. Dc At now is not the time to bring hundreds of people to a very compact area so they reversed their decision and will not return By the way the Yes. The capitol physician advises both Houses of Congress. The Republican led Senate has chosen to ignore his recommendation. Unbelievable the other thing is i. Don't I don't know where Donald Trump stance that's not that that's anything new but you know he how he said your head will spin. Well yeah because the other the last week he was criticizing. Georgia's governor camp for reopening the statement. Yesterday he's praising Texas and trying an encouraging Rhonda racist to open up Florida. So you know any way. The wind blows doesn't really matter to him. What else is important? Oh God Mike Pence. Did you see this so Mike Pence yesterday towards the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota? One of the nation's most a respected medical institutions right and the video comes out and shows Mike Pence. Walk in in the Mayo Clinic. Walking around and without a mask on everyone else was masked and that the clinic did issue guidance if you go on their website their guidance is their policy requires masks for all doctors nurses patients and visitors but Mike Pence refused. Cnn asked him. Why didn't you just walk US through position? Not Wear Masks Clinic. Said they tweeted that they asked you do some well. Let me say as vice president of the United States on tested for the corona virus on a regular basis. You know everyone who is around me is tested for the corona virus and when the CDC guidelines about wearing a mask it was their recognition that people that may have the corona virus Could prevent the possibility of conveying the virus to someone else by wearing a mask and since I don't have the corona virus. I thought it'd be a good opportunity for me to be here to be able to speak to these researchers these incredible healthcare personnel and look them in the eye and say thank you Mike Pence. I got a song for you too in other news if ever you were thinking of becoming a vegetarian and swearing off meet. This might be a good time unions in the US. Meatpacking Industry say Donald Trump is jeopardising lives and prioritizing cold cuts over workers health. He invoked the Defense Production Production Act to force meat processing plants to stay open even as the virus spreads among workers. Unbelievable in other news representative. Justin Amash who last year left the Republican Party because he saw what Donald Trump is and was doing not only his party the country. Well I appreciate everything just cinemas done but now he has formed an exploratory group to run to throw his hat in the twenty twenty. Ring to seek the Libertarian Party nomination for president this scares me because I'm afraid it will take the votes of those Republicans or former Republicans who would never vote for Donald Trump who would vote for whatever Democrat was running and split them thereby making it easier for trump to win a marsh. Do the right thing. Don't run. You can't win and if you make it easier for trump to win you're really fucking us all over all right enough of that. I told you a few minutes ago. Don Siegelman is going to join us. I WANNA share with you. Just the opening video the opening segment from this movie that I guess is sort of a companion to the book. He's got coming out Don Siegelman. If you're just joining US former governor of Alabama who in I believe nineteen? I want to say one thousand nine hundred nine but I'm so bad on dates. Don't don't listen to me. Who was targeted by Karl Rove and his cronies for political prosecution and he wound up spending serving five years in federal prison. It's unbelievable so he has a book coming out in June called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. So we'll reconvene in June when the book comes out when it's officially released but Don Simmons going to join us in a few minutes to talk about an issue that that he's current issue. It's something that he's very passionate about and for good reason. Nearly you're in a moment but I want to share with you. Just the opening the opening sequence from this movie that's called Abacus versus the architect the political hold on political assassination of Don Siegelman. And here's the beginning of that video. Our criminal justice when it goes wrong can go wrong. Horrendously prostitutes jail. Yes they should be in jail. That's smart but we know she's logged government. Spare no resource. We had to do a week to make sure he wasn't re-elected because he was an ongoing threat to our clients they started to manipulate the criminal justice system one purpose was to keep that from being the gum and the state of Alabama ears. What we call a fraud on the courts no doubt in my mind that Don Siegelman was. They had to get rid of him because he couldn't beat him parents where I think he's a mad. I WANNA GET SOMEBODY'S NECK IN MY HANDS. Twenty degrees injustices of our time. This is one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice that I've encountered some long Alabama. This situation Chris out for the correction in just that is Governor Don SIEGELMAN AGAIN. The beginning hold on. I'm trying to bring it over. There are governor Siegelman. I've got his picture up on the screen for those of you who are watching on Youtube So that was the opening sequence of a film called Abacus versus the architect the political assassination of Don Siegelman and. I'm thrilled to welcome Governor Don Siegelman to the show Governor thank you so much for being here. Oh It's my pleasure. Thank you go you know. We spoke years ago. I think before you reported to prison was that in two thousand twelve yes in two thousand twelve either net bridge nation or the Democratic National Convention or online. I'm not sure yeah now. We spoke by phone. It was definitely a phone interview. I haven't I have not met you in person and I. Yeah I haven't been to any other yes it is well. Thank you so much for being here and as I've been telling the listeners you do have a book coming out. It's called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. You're kind enough to send me an advance. Copy a couple of weeks ago that I'm just beginning to read. I know it's going to be released in June and I hope you'll come back on at that time when we can spend time talking about what happened to you really get into the nitty gritty. Because you're prosecution was an American tragedy and travesty and something that everybody should everybody should know about it and unfortunately they don't but it is relevant to what is going on today with Donald Trump limit. Living just give you this one brief comment about what's in the Book and Donald Trump's pictures on the back along with Jeff sessions in Colorado. Say A is because the the abuse of the abuse of power that that targeted me to silence me to get me out of the picture is something that is going on today. If you do not believe. The Department of Justice can be manipulated for political purposes. I would call Donald. Trump is my first witness a fire. James coming up against Sally Yates J Andrew. Mccabe right are hired and fired. Jeff sessions is southern white boy buddy from Alabama and then he hired bill bar does everything he can to manipulate justice to protect Donald Trump. So there's a reason he's all right and there are correlations. I mean for anyone just looking from the outside in. I would say this Justice Department as a lot scarier than the Bush Justice Department who went after you and had you in prison for five years well a and also you know they fired a number of Republican. Us ATTORNEYS WOULD NOT DO CALL. Rose political dirty work including David Iglesias and six others in the but the Department of Justice. We've got to stop the abuse of power that as we got to change our criminal justice system and that was the purpose of this boat is to To to show the public and to build support for changing the justice system. So it can protect those who are most vulnerable. Well good speaking of the and again. We will reconvene in June when the around the books released to to really get in depth into happened because again. This is a story that everybody in America should know with the in order to make sure it never happens again. This your story is not supposed to happen in America but it did right so when I was in prison. That was in prison of with a lot of young men of color and Unfortunately the prison algorithms work against those people in terms of the release early. Release that Bill Bar ordered on April authorities believe it was Of those who are considered non violent and not a threat to public safety. He asked that they be released. So they would reduce the possibility of the spread of corona virus. Well under this offer in under the Federal Bureau presents algorithms only silicon percent. Only seven percent of the african-american organs are going to be eligible for this early release because they view drug offenses as likely to be recidivist. And you know we've we've got to change that and these people need to be need to be lined up right. But that's not the case. So what what? What is the prison that you spent most of your your time in jail and prison him? Well I was in. I was in Oakdale Louisiana which the Wall Street Journal said was president under siege. The Washington Post said it was the epicenter or Ground Zero it was a a focus of NPR Because of the first six inmates that died in the United States five of them were were from oatmeal place where I spent five years. And there's a reason and most people are aware of this now but the prison conditions virtually all prisons in jails city and county jails throughout the country are overcrowded. But when you when you have. Inmates stacked up as were up the hill at one point I was in a room with twenty one people. We called it. The Submarine Submarine Room. Because they were the beds were stacked not just too high but three high Michael Ports. You got into your bunk. You couldn't sit up because there wasn't enough space. You could literally reach L. From alcohol and touch the other bunce. There was one door going into this room. And that was the only entrance and exit and there were no windows no circulation so any virus or any infection that anyone had could easily be passed on to the other end nights and when you have communal showers and communal soap and urinals that are just inches apart is I virtually impossible. I felt like I've got something to help you. Okay I think it's just from talking too much but the it's virtually impossible twos two separate properly and you know the the Attorney General's order that we should release. Nonviolent inmates who are not a threat to public safety raises the question. Why are they in their good question? Right there L. involved and not a threat to public safety. And what are they doing in prison in the first place so hopefully as we form new economies out of this crisis they were going through. Hopefully we'll also see changes in our criminal justice system. I hope so now. Let me ask you this governor. What before this happened to you before you found yourself in federal prison was the subject of prison overcrowding for profit prisons the prison industrial complex. Was that even on your radar. Was that an issue. Your concerned with I was opposed to private as I am now. I was able to get one one person off of death row because they had withheld exculpatory evidence but what? I was convicted of something. I'd do. It never happened. I just sent a shockwave through my body and I want to thank those involved in the innocence project and the equal justice initiative who have managed to get one hundred fifty people off of death row because they were proven to be Edison. So we've got a long way to go in changing our justice system and again the purpose of my book is not to promote the story about me but is called action so that we can change our justice system again to protect those who are most vulnerable right and obviously that's of paramount importance right now. We're seeing persecution of people who shouldn't be prosecuted. Your story is the perfect example. And then we see I mean just watching this administration in action hearing Donald Trump praising. Michael Flynn hearing knowing seeing him. Pardon People like Sheriff Are Pyo and I can't even remember some of the other people he's pardoned. I don't even want to think of it and think who might be pardoned in the future there. Has Roger Step well? He hasn't pardoned him yet but no doubt he will. Apparently Roger Stone found Jesus in prison or is waiting to go to prison. The thing that our justice system is truly flawed and definitely needs an overhaul l. Let me ask you this governor. Siegelman you were at the time. I think went. When did when were you? Run out of office was where it was a two thousand four. I was I was reelected in. Two Thousand and two election was stolen. And that's when I could give you some background. The Justice Department finally admitted actually was revealed through whistleblower in the In the House through the House Judiciary Committee in a sealed. See a letter. From the Department of Justice to then chairman John Conyers that the lead prosecutor in my case the lead prosecutor was emailing my Republican opponents campaign manager giving him updates on the investigation and yet the Department of Justice told John Conyers that my prosecution was not politically motivated ran. It was it was it was started by car rose client. It was advanced by car. Rose business for this wife who was bush-appointed. Us Attorney the money for my defeat was raised by Jack. Abramov twenty billion dollars. He admits this in his book. And also in the documentary. My election was stolen by Karl. Rove's client and the list goes on so the Both the the election big stolen that my prosecution or definitely political he liked it gets back to my point about Donald Trump. We've got to stop the abuse of power and it starts with changing our criminal. Justice system definitely definitely be very quickly for those who don't know the story. What was the charge that they accused you of? It was bribery right young at the time. That the that Jack Abramov was funneling. Twenty million dollars of Indian casino money into Alabama to defeat me and to defeat my papa education lottery proposal. It was a ballot initiative designed to give every child early learning and free college education grains and at the time that they were funneling in twenty million dollars illegally to defeat me. I was raising money to promote the passage of the constitutional amendment. I accepted a contribution from a fortune. Hundred five hundred Ceo and reappointed him to a board that he had been on for twelve years only about two Republicans and one governor before me come on. Democratic governor before the Fourth Governor to appoint him as God as my witness when I called and asked him if he would serve as my right hand did. If I'm like the what I asked him to serve on the board he said Oh governor. Do I have to? I'll have gone and that guy surf of years. Wow robbery and he didn't even want to be on the guy. They went after him too. So the point is I want to make another point here so I was. I was sent to prison on the basis of the campaign contribution to Education Lottery Foundation. There was no no evidence of quid pro quo much less than expressway but in my book also talk about the impeachment trial of Donald. Donald Trump In that trial we had express evidence of audiotapes of of the president swapping military aid for an investigation of Joe Bod Yup so but the Republican asserted decided that even that wasn't enough to Return on articles of impeachment. So we've got this dichotomy and you know. The law applies to some people in one way into others in another way gets back to the point of my book. We've got to change our criminal justice system without a doubt. But here's the question. I was going to get at. Did the Democratic Party. Come to your aid at all. Did they do anything to help you? As you were under siege from Karl Rove and the Republicans will let me. Let me let me let me say. Let me ask you this. In two ways some self selected members of the party Steny Hoyer And a number of other members of the House Judiciary Committee one of my champions was of course Jon condoms and but I want to quote from the Los Angeles Times of January the Fourth January the fifth two thousand and ten David savage the legal correspondent for the La Times said in a hearing before the United States Supreme Court President Obama's lawyer. That's General Argh ID the following and I quote. Us citizens United States do not have a constitutional right not to be frightened. Now think about that. Do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. Okay that the government of the United States the process lawyer is telling the United States Supreme Court that the that the federal government can frame citizens in. There's nothing indeed about it well. The problem is the solicitor. General was correct because the Federal Tort Claims Act gives immunity prosecutors willfully and intentionally framed. Some water withhold exculpatory evidence. Another jeep the Chief Justice Night Circuit Alex. Brzezinski said the withholding the withholding of exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is epidemic. And but there are ways that we can we can prevent that. I've laid out a clan in my book so that we can. We can bring some make. Some sense of this. Obviously prosecutors should not be allowed to willfully intentionally framed someone in the case that I was just mentioning. There were two African Americans from Iowa. He'll have been frame for crime that they didn't commit. They spent twenty five years in prison. And we're suing the prosecutors for civil damages so yet we've got to make some changes and I hope that people I look forward to getting the chance to come back and talk about the book and encourage people to to read it and understand why we got to change our justice system definitely and again. It is available for preorder now at you know all the usual sources Amazon. There's a new place called bookshop dot org. That actually helps out independent booksellers to plug them. Anyway it's called stealing our democracy. There really stand I believe is June sixteenth. So we will have you back on again because I've got. I've got a million questions around this. I was mad. That Obama didn't Parnu but we'll get to that next time right now. The immediate concern is all these people who are stuck in prisons from jails prisons who have no freedom who have no no control over where they are. They can't socially distanced from others. Because there's not this space there and they're being held and they don't have the freedom to leave. So what what can we do? What do we write to somebody? What do we do? I'm concerned about one inmate within my served. He was a conduit for information. I was getting information from him. Indirectly in passing it on to the House. Judiciary Committee through a congressman of a Hang Johnson in Georgia. And what? I'm I'm concerned about this inmate because I haven't heard from Info for a week which which means well it needs it. Means he's in solitary confinement and I don't know whether he's in solitary confinement as a as a measure of quarantine Before they release them because he is in danger of contracting to grow virus or whether he's in solitary confinement because he was releasing information to try to protect 'em mason federal presence. But I can tell you this. I was put in solitary confinement for talking on the Tom. Hartman show Also put in solitary confinement for talking to Robert Barnes of the Washington Post It is it is not uncommon for the for the Federal Bureau presents to retaliate against inmates. Who are whistle-blowers? Wow and that should be illegal and we have an administration now. Unfortunately who wants to go after whistleblowers expose them prosecute them everything when they should have protections one quick comment? One of the whistle blows number whistle blowers in my case was a Republican paralegal. Work for the Department of Justice. She filed a former whistleblower complaint stating that. She was present when the key witness in. My trial was pressured and can Joe Cajole to remember things. The prosecution wanted this witness toll. Scott Pelley of sixty minutes that he was interviewed or met with prosecutors or investigators over seventy times in made to write and rewrite his proposed testimony in a loose leaf notebook to get prepared for trial so the whistleblower in my case was guess what she wasn't rewarded she was fired and it was signed off during the Obama Administration by David. Margot's was the number two guy in the Department of Justice sees recently passed away but on so not only not only do whistle blowers not get rewarded. They get punished if they expose things that could be embarrassing to the Department of Justice. You hear these stories and we think that these could never happen but it does it. Has It happened to you? It's happening to people you know. And I'm I'm worried about your friend Somebody and there's no way you can find out what his status is that. There's no way at this point which is after wait awhile and see what emerges of we will we will hear from you. Venezuela's in solitary confinement for fifty nine days. One time in forty nine days another so that It can be. It can be a while before we might hear from this. This gentleman governor. I can't even imagine I'm on. My one experience in jail was almost ten years ago now. I went to what was supposed to be a town hall meeting with my then Congressman. You might remember crazy Allen West. I'm in Florida. And I tried to ask him a question about his vote to basically privatize Medicare and they weren't having any of that and basically. I was a objected from the room and because reporters were trying to ask me questions and stuff long story short. They arrested me. Threw me in. Jail kept me overnight and they put four of us in a in one cell. That was used to store mattresses while they cleaned the the cellblock as it were and forgot about us and left us in there for like an hour and we came out. I told the guard that he doesn't apology. Well for my troubles I got thrown into a cell by myself and left in there for a few hours. I heard them calling my name. I knew my husband had come to bail me out and they wouldn't let me out. That played such tricks on my mind in just a couple of hours. I can't imagine what it's like to be thrown in solitary confinement for days or weeks and you had to live through that I it's just horrific. I can't even. I imagine how they did this to you. I'm asking asking you and your listeners and viewers to help me gain the credibility to stand before Congress and argue for changes that will protect the least of these yes able with L. Voices and without power. Okay well we're here for you Is there anything that you want my listeners to do now? Is there anything we can do to help the prisoners who are stuck there with way out or or do we wait until you join us again next month to figure out what comes next? You know that I honestly don't know what can be done other than you know. You're calling calling your your the local mayor the the county. Sheriff the Governor of the president. Well the a waste of rain members of Congress. Certainly the house. Judiciary COMMITTEE IS FIRED UP. And they've been putting pressure on billboard to release an mason release information and the one one point. I want to make again before I leave is just. It's okay to release them now. Why why were they there in the first place? So let's we got. We got a job to do in this country and your listeners will put me in a position where I can do that job. You got it. Well Don Siegelman. You're welcome here anytime anytime. Just call tax whatever and we'll do whatever we can to amplify it on this end a lot of people in chat room saying how do we? How does he want us to amplify so-called your your congressman? Call Your senators saying if people are in jail for? Nonviolent non victimless crimes. Let them out the sentencing them to death. Sentence it's just it's inhumane so I guess that's how we start also go to Amazon or your local bookstore pre order my book which Paul Helped Propel this conversation and into a national dialogue will give me a chance to get full congressman. They make an argument for those people who need help. Absolutely people can find more information about the book at stealing our democracy dot org you can also go to Don siegelman DOT ORG ALPA links to all of it on my blog. Nicole Sandler Dot Com along with the podcast governor. Siegelman thank you so much. I'm I'm I feel weird saying I'm a fan of yours but I've been a follower of your story and I'm so appreciative of all the work you did and I hate what was done to you. So thank you for joining us and I look forward to our next time talking. Backlash Nicole look forward to seeing you again. Me TO TAKE CARE. Thank you so much. Bye Bye you too governor Don Siegelman and with that. We're we're done for the day. Wow ordered the book again. I'll put all the info on the blog. It Nicole Sandler Dot Com. Thanks for listening everyone. We'll see tomorrow. Stay safe by.

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20210428 Nicole Sandler Show - Ratfucking Then & Now with Don Siegelman

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20210428 Nicole Sandler Show - Ratfucking Then & Now with Don Siegelman

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language of your discretion is advised. Jeez got the news. She talks with newsmakers. She encourages us to laugh and she cries with us. Speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. It's the nicole sandler show all right. Welcome to a wednesday. Everybody i am. Nicole sampler coming to live from nicole sandler dot com. That's where the show is based and should you ever. You know get to five o'clock eastern pacific on a weekday and we're not being heard in the usual places you can always go to nicole sandler dot com you. Click on the listen live and there are links to the various streams to the progressive voices network which at progressive voices dot com to my stream at nicole sandler dot com which you can also always get at nicole. Sandler stream dot com. If all else fails you can always just get the simple audio stream. Their links to our video streams these days. We are on facebook live. We are on twitter and we are on twitch. We are still suspended from youtube for a ridiculous reason that i've already spoken about. I'm sure we'll. I'm sure i'll rant about in in days to come before. Suspension ends the end of june ridiculous But that's again that's the story for another day today. Let me tell you what's going on. I we are. I know. i seem to dwell on this theme but we live in a world. I mean we go along you and i. We're we're relatively saying. I'm not saying that. All my marbles are where they should be know like anybody else. I have my issues as we all do. But we we by we. I mean progressives democrats. We're painted by the right as crazy people. But we know that they are guilty of projection. This is what they do. They take what they do and push it off on us. I just heard the craziest thing in fact. Let me play this for you while a while i still have it here on. I'm thinking about it. I think i pulled the video. Yes okay so orange county california. Oh shoot this. Won't this won't work. they're all right. I'm gonna play it from from the from the website. Hold on one second. I just gotta get it. I gotta get it up as they say all right so orange county. California is not my favorite place as somebody who lived in los angeles A very liberal person. We always used to joke about you. Go into orange county and the things behind. The orange curtain are not quite so democratic friendly. It's kind conservative down there. But i didn't realize they were just really stupid to and i bring this up because there's a hearing the orange. County board of supervisors is having a hearing. I guess about the vaccines. And i want you to hear what one of the supervisors said. And i can't make this stuff up. It is real. I just saw this moments before coming on the air. So it's fresh in my mind. You're ready for this all right. Let's go to the videotape It's only at the patient's request correct does it. Is there any intention of tracking folks. Donald wagner supervisor third district. Is there any in the vaccine we heard about an injection of tracking device is is is being done anywhere in orange county witnesses laughing to compose myself. There's not a vaccine with tracking device embedded in that i know of exists in the world period period. Okay now the idiocy is just astounding. This was yesterday at eleven fifty am pacific time. Orange county california. Donald p wagner supervisor third district. Hey orange county california people seriously. You guys need to turn off the fox. Because they're doing the. This is your brain on fox. Your remember the old commercials is your brain on drugs. This is your brain on fox. These people are demented. They are they are nuts. The kind of shit that they're spewing is frankly embarrassing and and their spawning all of these crazy fucking people around the country. So i read a story the other day. I'm in south. Florida or florida as i like to call it and see a story about a school called center academy and i. My heart skipped to beat. Because i thought it said center academy because that's the name of a school that my kid went to in ninth grade for half of the year. Thankfully it's not the same place. The one she went to was a little bit better than this. So center academy apparently told it's parents that no or told told staff and teachers that nobody is allowed to be vaccinated if you do get vaccinated. They do not want you to have contact with children because they're afraid that you that the kids can catch something from a vaccinated adult. This is a school a private school. That has a pre k. It goes pre k through eighth grade. I tried calling there and the phone just rings. It doesn't go to voicemail nobody answers i wonder why but anyway i was able to pull up their website center. C. e. n. t. n. e. r. academy dot com and look at their twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two tuition and fees part-time pre k. To is well. It's only a very reasonable fifteen thousand one hundred and sixty dollars a year. Preschool i guess this is full time. School pre k to to pre k. Four twenty two thousand four hundred seventy five dollars a year. Okay then kindergarten to fifth grade. Well now you're an actual school so it's a little bit higher twenty four thousand five hundred dollars a year and for sixth through eighth grade twenty nine thousand eight hundred fifty dollars a year but wait. There's more the matriculation fee what is twenty two hundred dollars. The technology to fifty the computer fee is three fifty and the smart tuition fee. I guess as opposed to the dumb tuition fee. It's fifty dollars. Oh and there's also a two hundred dollar application fee. Tuition insurance and protection is not included. Monthly payment plans incur a one hundred dollars a month. Surcharge and lunch is billed separately. A two hundred and thirty dollars a month and by the way they will not allow any teachers or staff to be vaccinated because they believe that being vaccinated poses some kind of a threat to the children in the school who they and it goes back to. They actually have a vaccine policy. Here's their vaccine policy at center academy we value individuality and honor freedom of choice. We are proud that our happiness school our happiness school does not mandate vaccines of any kind and we accept religious exemptions. Oh my god. So this is in miami miami proper. There's the preschool. Campus in the elementary and middle school campus. I'd call them. But i'll try again. I tried calling a little while ago and again there was no answer. But i'll try again. What the hell. Because i really. I really wanted per calling governor academy. They're going to school. Campus press one for the elementary and middle school to want to press to. Let's see if anybody answers. Because i really like to talk to somebody when i called earlier to see. That would go through if they even answered the phone at just. The message repeats connecticut somebody answered. Hi my name's nicole sandler do a radio show. I'm curious about your vaccine policy okay. I'm doing what was your name again. Nicole sandler on the air. It's an internet radio show. And so i wanted to and they have. I'm sorry you call in the main line. Can i go ahead and have your information. And i kept someone contacted well. See i'm i'm on the air now so i'm trying to get an answer about your vaccine policy. Your i apologize. You're calling school phone in order for us to go ahead and speak to. Parents need pick up through student. Oh i see okay all right and there's not another number i can call. I can take your name and information and then just have someone contact you. You know what. I'll call back another time. Thank you very much. Thank you so much von. Oh well at least they answered. Okay so i guess they're still doing business. Who would send their kid there would you. I guess maybe the orange county supervisor. Except he's in california or maybe they're joe rogan listeners. Joe rogan who. I guess does a popular podcast. Who know not a doctor not a scientist. As far as i can tell but he goes on the air to his millions of listeners and apparently yes he has millions of listeners. A suppose and tells them well if you're young and healthy and you work out. You don't need to get the vaccine. Excuse me what this is the problem. This is where we are in the twenty first century in the united states of america people who have no bona fee days who have no scientific expertise. No education tell you what to do with your body and how to fight this global pandemic. that's already killed almost six hundred thousand people in this country alone. What is wrong with people. If i need medical advice i certainly don't go to my account or to the guy at the gym. I go to a doctor. If i have a scientific question i go to a scientist. This is this is indicative of where i hate to say it. But we're the last four years has gotten us. I won't place all the blame on the last four years but certainly a lot of it comes from there where you had idiots who didn't know what the hell they were doing telling we had people lehman in the trump administration celebrating that they got the cdc the centers for disease control to change their verbiage and their their guidance into to use their language rather than what the medical experts say. I just i just don't get it. I just do get it so their stuff going on today. By the way. I'm looking at everything that's going on and realizing that if somebody high enough up in government wants to do something to you they can we as citizens have no recourse and this was brought back to me in a big way when i got an email from from from don siegelman. Now if you've listened to this show for any amount of time you're familiar with name and if you've if you've been involved in progressive politics for any amount of time you should know the name. Don siegelman he was governor of alabama from one thousand nine hundred ninety nine two thousand three. He was a progressive. He was just a rising star in the democratic party. There was talk that if he were to win. Re-election as governor for a second term in alabama that you know he could be a potential presidential candidate and he would have been great. You know a southern progressive would be awesome. And then well. Karl rove went after him. And don siegelman wound up railroaded. He wound up in prison. He wound up no longer governor. He wound up in solitary confinement. He served a long time in prison and finally he served out his sentence. Nobody came to his rescue not to party. Who knew who he was. He wound up serving years in jail and then he was under supervision. When he was finally released he'd just finally got rid of that and now you know he. He wrote a book. We had him on last year when the book came out called stealing our democracy how the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. And now he finished doing the audio book reading the entire thing. So it's in his voice and and so i don siegelman has an open invitation on this show anytime and actually. It's good timing. Because i wanna get his take on what is going on. And and for example who is worse. Who was more of a part of the term. But it is an actual political term rat fucker. Who's the biggest wrath. Fucker was it karl. Rove or is it roger stone and again you know wrath fucking has been around for for a long time in fact i think they said donald gregg back in the nixon years was the original rat. Fucker wikipedia says wrath fucking is an american slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks particularly pertaining to elections the thing that makes the trump people so horrible is they are rat fucking on steroids. Because this is the projection rat fucking. They did all the dirty tricks deal the election. They turn around and accused our side of doing what they did it. It's almost too complicated. It's enough to make your head explode. So it'll be interesting to get don siegelman take on that and find out who he thinks might be worse. you know if it was if it is karl rove who went after him who got him. Good tell you that. Or someone like roger stone in the rest of the cabal that surrounds the former guy. Speaking of part of the cabal that surrounds the former guy. It's great timing because today. Yes this morning This morning the feds rated rudolph giuliani's upper east side new york city apartment and his office building on park avenue. I love this hakim jeffries. Who is trying to position himself to succeed. Nancy pelosi as speaker of the house. I'll reserve judgment on that. Well i know where i stand but we'll go into that another day because i don't have time today. But how came. Jeffries tweeted quote. It's official rudy. Giuliani is now under federal criminal investigation. Yeah so here's the story rudy's apartment on the upper east side and park avenue office building where bolts searched by the feds devices at the crux of the probe. Investigators have been trying to figure out whether giuliani lobbied trump illegally for favors spur ukrainian oligarchs who are helping him sniff out. Biden controversies one of the key. Questions has been whether he was paid for trying to persuade trump to oust. Us ambassador. Marie ubon bitch. We remember marie-yvonne bit. She was one of the heroes of the impeachment. Her testimony was jaw-dropping. It was just just great and you know. Donald trump always threatened by any strong woman. Anybody who who'd stand up to her. Well there's more. Let me tell you. More harry. Littman tweeted out. Hold the phone. Fbi now at advert victoria. Ten things house. Oh now victoria tensing. It's a lawyer. Wife and partner of joseph degen uva same circles is rudy and trump. This has the hallmarks of a bigger day at doj. And she's probably not expecting it on like rudy. So not only did they re raid rudy giuliani's apartment and office but victoria tensing and joseph degen. Remember they were going to join his defense team and then like the next day said no. We're not and i don't know what that was about whether it was just. They didn't wanna lose their lucrative fox contributor jobs because they get money for that and they probably knew that that donald trump is a notorious shirker in other words. He doesn't pay his bills. So i don't know but there's a lot going on here and yes so this is good. This is good news about something that that judged in obviously a judge cleared the way for these raids carried out and they've got rudy's phones and computers and all right so that's going on hoping to get some bit of justice. Another judge made a ruling this one in north carolina. This one. i'm not so happy about superior court. Judge jeff foster today ruled that today issued a decision to not publicly released the bodycam footage of the fatal april twenty first shooting when when cops in elizabeth city north carolina shot and killed andrew brown. Junior remember it was. I was just yesterday. His family was supposed to see the video. They go to the courthouse or the police station or wherever it was they. Were supposed to see it and they were told. We're not ready for you yet. We have to redact some of the footage which is nonsense because this is not the media. This is not the public. This is the family of the man made killed and so they had to wait so when they finally waited they were finally brought in and shown twenty seconds of video. Twenty seconds when the video started shots had already been fired so the shooting was in processed in progress they have. They didn't have any context. They didn't get to see what precipitated it. They didn't get to see what happened before the shots were fired. They were shown twenty seconds and even at the twenty seconds. They said what they witnessed in. That twenty seconds was an execution now. The judge says no no video for you. We are not gonna show you. What's on this video. i'm. I'm sorry that's just that's just flat out wrong so now i'm hearing well we may get to see it. Let me see. If i can't find this other story that i was just looking at now. I can't find it. We may get to see it after thirty days. But they're saying the judge said his decision not to release. This footage was based based on. I can't make this up. Was based on the footage potentially affecting a fair trial if there was to be one and possibly jeopardizing the safety of the deputies in question now remember there were like seven cops and i don't have the exact information in front of me but there were seven officers suspended. A few were fired their stuff going on here and and for them to say. Nobody is seeing this video. I i think what is on. That tape is devastating and by not showing it to us. You know what we can conjure up in our imaginations. What we think happened is going to be worse than what did happen. Maybe or maybe not. Maybe it's just so horrific that i certainly don't want to see it but we need to see this stuff and i'll tell you something. This story comes out. And and then i see this one and i wasn't even looking for it but let me show you this today. April twenty eighth daily beast one fifty two. Pm eastern time bodycam footage shows fatal chicago. Shooting of anthony alvarez. This is never ending a police watchdog agency in chicago. Released chilling footage today of a cop fatally shooting twenty two year old anthony alvarez from behind a march thirty first incident that took place less than forty eight hours after the fatal police shooting of thirteen year old adam. Todo the in bodycam footage from the officer who filed the fired. The fatal shots we see him run past another officer in pursuit of alvarez who appears to have been holding an object that look like a gun and i the the cop says hey drop the gun drop the gun as he comes up close behind this twenty two year old kid. I'm sorry twenty two. He's a kid. The officer then quickly fires several several shots at alvarado as he fled. Alvarado then is hit. He's moaning in pain. He says why are shooting me. The cop says you had a gun. Just i haven't seen that footage either. But according to the daily startled says there's no indication from the footage that alvarado pointed the weapon at the officer. It says in in what is presumably a security camera at a nearby home footage from that al alvarez does appear to be holding something shaped like a gun. The object falls to the ground after the incident and the officers on-scene repeatedly expressed concern about keeping tabs on it. Even as they attempt to render to alvar alvarez. I guess they rendered aid while. That's a difference. Should we be happy about that. I don't know what the answer is. I do know that there is legislation out there for police reform. And something's gotta be done. Oh and by the way there's more here's another one. Police relieved footage released footage of the events. Leading to the death of mario gonzalez twenty six year old latino man in alameda california showing officers kneeling on the man's back and shoulder until he became unresponsive. The video contradicts officials original account of the confrontation. Three officers involved have been placed on administrative. Leave i mean it's just the never ending story. I don't know what it's going to take until these cops stop doing this. Take their guns away. If a cop is on traffic stop duty. He doesn't need to be armed or she. I'm just. I'm just disgusted. Then there's a follow up to the story. I told you about on monday. Karen garner the seventy three year. Old woman who was tackled to the ground by loveland colorado police. This was horrific. I played the video. This frail eighty pound. Woman was tackled to the ground by this cop later on you see him in the squad room playing back the video on laughing saying there's the pop and he laughed about. He said that was her shoulder. He also fractured her arm. And now her family is speaking out. She's got a daughter daughter-in-law and a granddaughter and they're all saying she has not come back. She's now living in assisted living facility and she is anxious and scared and it's not the woman that they know and love. This is just disgusting. Something's gotta give all right enough of that. I see i see. The don siegelman is is in the zoom room. So we're going to talk with him just a moment but we're also waiting for the not the state of the union address. It is joe biden's first joint address to a joint session of congress. It would be the state of the union address if this wasn't his first year in office but because usually it's delivered earlier it's like in february or maybe march but usually like february. And by that time. I guess they figure that the incoming president hasn't been on the job long enough to actually do a state of the union address. So it's it's a. It's an address to a joint session of congress. Well this year. It was delayed for a number of reasons. One is of course. Well cova everything is cove related but the other is because the this speech will be delivered tonight from the same room where insurrectionists broke into congress and you know wanted to kill nancy pelosi and hang mike pence and this is the first time that they were doing a big event in in the capital again. And i'm sure there was a lot of trepidation surrounding that. And i'm sure they took great security measures And now we know that there will be a maximum of two hundred people in the room as opposed to being a packed room. So it's going to be a different kind of speech than we're used to aside from the fact that it's not actually a state of the union address but joe biden's also going to be delivering his new newest plan and it is the this is the second part of his infrastructure proposal. This is the what are they calling this one the american. Oh god i don't even know i hold on. I've got it right here. i have. I have the Let's see it is the got a scroll up to the top of the pdf like a fifteen page document. The american families plan. It's all related. And i guess if he had to split them up into jobs infrastructure families. That's okay. I think it's it's. It's the was the rescue plan the jobs plan and now the american families plan. So there's a lot of details there. Maybe we'll get into it. Maybe not but i see our guest is here and let me get our shots at up and i wanna bring don siegelman in of course because he is our guest today so i will say hello governor and welcome back to the show thank you. I'm glad to be back. And what a what a great day to be back. As the last time we talked the future of the country was not quite as clear or as bright as it is today but thank goodness we have major change and there's a new president a new direction for this country. I'm really so proud. So blair the biden administration zone. As i governor. I got to be honest with you. I was not that excited about a biden candidacy and even more worried about a biden presidency. I didn't think he could win. And i certainly didn't expect the progressiveness we're seeing from him. I i said it a few times. And i'll say it again. I've never been so happy to have been so wrong at least so far knocking on on wood. Laminate you're a progressive. So are you surprised at the direction. The the The biden administration is moving. Well as you. I am pleased. I think new president's choice they can either start looking toward the next election and choose a moderate and cautious path forwards. Not so they don't really take chances. Don't rock the boat. Don't offend to many people or as Joe biden is chosen One to go all al recognizing that you know. He knows he has four years. And that's all he knows he may not even have for years but he knows he was elected for for your term. And there's no guarantee. The reelection is in the future so he is. He is decided to make chain. He's putting people in place who is appointed people who also want change. And as a result of we're seeing that the fulfillment of his campaign promises. I am delighted and encouraged yes. It's a good thing and it seems like you know he's listening to the people that bring him there. As it worked. I was worried that bernie sanders was going to give up the power base that he had look. He has had a huge following and he brought a lot to the party to the election without bernie sanders supporters. Joe biden couldn't have one but it seems and i was afraid that he was going to sort of push them off to the side and say get out of your kid. You're bothering me. But he didn't it seems like he's really taking a lot of of what bernie is suggesting to heart except you know. Of course they were going to be things so we noticed in this new american families plan bernie's suggestion that in terms of health care that they lower the age the medicare eligibility age. I think to sixty or fifty five a few other things. Those suggestions were not taken instead. What they do is they. Basically shore up the affordable care act and and make the the addition to the subsidies last longer which is one of the things they did in the in the american rescue plan. And i know that it's true because my my insurance from the exchange it's through healthcare dot gov and after that legislation went through. I said well let me go in. And see if i can get you some help on my premium and sure enough. My premiums came down about one hundred dollars a month so the help is there and he. This plan now makes that extends it further to give more people help. And i guess to get to ensure another four million people so at least it's going in the right direction. Well it is going in the right direction and needs to go further in the left direction and no one should go to hungary hungry or homeless without healthcare. And we still have a long way to go. I am pleased that the biden administration has picked up on a bernie elizabeth warren of call for of universal pre-k early learning all kids and everyone should go to college and we should forgive student loans that we should reform taxes. We should Raise the minimum wage and create new jobs. So you know lots is going on and again Joe biden has chosen a path of change and Clearly understands that this is his moment in history. If he's going to give back to. The working families of america now is the time without a doubt without a doubt. Now there's still a long ways to go and you mentioned the the education this new plan that he's going to really introduce tonight in the speech calls for it says four more years of education free education. It's two years of preschool and then two years of community college but they're also talking about more money for pell grants and more grant to historically black colleges and universities and other schools that cater to low income people and minorities. And so it's really you know. Finally i feel like we have an administration who's looking out for the little guy which we haven't had in a while. Frankly so you're absolutely right is crystal clear that President biden has placed at the top of his agenda. The working families of america which includes and understanding that. The parents want the best for their children to get there. They've got to have pre k. Tab some promise of higher education We've got to have tax reform higher minimum wage better jobs and he's moving and all of those directions. You know the other thing. That we haven't mentioned is is push for Toward and understanding of the climate crisis. He's he's you know. He jumped out of the box with that. Right headed in the right direction so more applause. Yes we talked about that yesterday. Here on the show that he convened this climate summit with forty world leaders the zoom but is committed to doing something which after coming off a four years of a guy trying to reverse the course on any progress. We made it's refreshing. But he wants to take it even further. So i'm thrilled about all that but here we are today. Don siegelman talking. And whenever i think of your story i get angry. I get so angry. And i'm looking at it today. I'm thinking about you and what what was done to you for those. Who don't know. And i think most of my listeners are familiar with your story. Don siegelman was arising progressive star in the democratic party. In two thousand to you. You're coming to the end of the first term as governor of alabama. You had already been attorney. General secretary of state lieutenant governor and governor only the only person to have held all four of those offices in alabama. You were running for reelection and you were considered to be a great prospect for the democratic presidential nomination. Going forward you were. You're the guy. I mean to win in alabama and i don't think there's been a democrat who's one state office. Since you left. I could be wrong. But i i don't doug jones right so and then they went after you you were targeted and it. And if you wanna tell the reader's digest version of the story for those who may not know what was done to you can do about show that was targeted from the bush white house. I was getting ready to launch a campaign. Against george w bush karl rove and his second lieutenant woman named kidding mccullough cain alabama state here throughout the campaign. She was one who was given credit by the state republican party for finding the votes necessary to swing the election to my opponent The election was illegally certified call robes client the state attorney general There was an influx of some twenty million dollars from the indian casinos mississippi by way of jock. Abramov ralph reed to call rose college buddies and so you know colorado singer prints were all over. The case have sworn testimony that he was involved in it. S the department of justice to presumably. I was brought to trial Thirty days before My reelection by the wife who is a us attorney whose husband was running my opponent's campaign. Us husband was running my opponent's campaign. I was brought to trial thirty days before my reelection in two thousand and six. So that's a thumbnail sketch my book. I'm excited about this and the goal has just. I'm not talking about the audio present right. Just finish the audio version reason. Why took me so long is because our listeners. To hear at bob boys not a hard gun. Come on and so. I'm really excited about that. So it is now available like through audible and the other places where you get audio books. So it is called Stealing our democracy. How the political assassination. A governor threatens our nation This this the original print copy. I devoured in about a day and a half. And i couldn't put it down and it so upset me and really and i go back and i think about what was done to you and how long you spent in prison. How long were you in prison. I was i was sentenced. Sadie eight months of ultimately served five years Came out with a new in criminal. Justice reform play this before our time runs out. I am pleased that we're moving forward with this. George floyd act to justice reform. But the waiter fix this. we've got. We've got to allow a lawyer for the families of victims of excessive use of force by police. A lawyer to be in the grand jury as because prosecutors present can knowingly and willingly present false evidence or testimony or withhold exculpatory evidence. There is no guarantee that any grand jury where a policeman is the target of the grand jury that the prosecutor is going to present bodycam video for example. They don't have to present the all the way they can present whatever evidence they want so we need a lawyer for the family in the grand jury. That's a great point. Because we've learned after the fact that the grand jury who heard the case about the the murder of brianna taylor in louisville kentucky they were never presented with any any prosecutorial information about the cops who actually killed her the only ones they heard any any evidence about was the cop who fired a bullet into the apartment next door and there was a charge filed there for like reckless endangerment or something but nothing about the cops who killed brianna taylor and then later we found out because they were never even presented any anything to to bring them up on charges so with if brianna taylor's family had a representative in the room. This would've that couldn't have happened. Is that what you're saying that we brought to light. Let me mention one other thing that most of your listeners probably not going to know and that is in grand. Juries one questions who the grand jurors are looking all for example they could all have been related to members of the police department and brianna taylor's guy so they have been members of the klu klux klan for that matter. No one no one for dyers like they do in a civil or criminal trial. The jurors racially balanced or that. They're not prejudiced in some way. Or another wow. I did not know that. So thank you for letting us know. So yes there are so many things that need to be fixed and you know obviously right. Now we're talking about a seems like an epidemic where people of color mostly black men but women and in some cases like we just saw video of an seventy three year old eighty pound white woman. Who was brutalized by police in loveland colorado police need to. I think they all need to be fired. Trained and rehired the ones who are worthy of the job. I think too many of them are there high on the power something that they have give. They've been given authority that they do have not earned and they don't deserve well. We have a better better policing better policies more better laws and we've got elect politicians who care and want to make a difference and i think we have in joe bud you know. I think that people were after trump. Were looking for someone who was both the civil and coast to as a role model for our kids. Someone who respected the rights of women someone who understood the importance of free press someone sense of history and someone who is going to pursue justice and that was Equal justice social justice racial justice environmental justice and criminal justice reform. And we've got that now in joe biden and kamala harris. I think so too. And i think we're on the right track. I'm happy with it. But i still you know i was. I was heartened to see. Today that the feds went into raid rudy giuliani's apartment and place of business and they also went after went to victoria. Tensing and joe degen of ass- apartment to so they're not leading the crimes of the trump administration. Just go obviously. There's there's an active investigation there. I have to ask you the question because it was one that i posed earlier. I was thinking about the story. And there's a term a pardon my french but a term called rat fucking which is known as political dirty tricks. Obviously karl rove was guilty of that. He was the big one during the bush administration. Who's who's the one is. A carl rover roger stone and steve. Dan in the rudy giuliani and the people. Trump surrounded himself with the go. What what has happened because we did. Not hold karl rove accountable his clones. Google put in place for inspired by the fact that he was able you know he started out with with richard nixon. The dirty tricks apartment of dancer grow the. That's right. I wouldn't call rove was involved of through ralph reed and grover norquist's in the demise of gray davis and i wouldn't be surprised if his fingerprints are on the current definition. Wow i wouldn't be surprised either. This stuff goes on and and you're right the fact that nothing was done about this is also what angers me the fact that they could do this to you. A very popular sitting governor in a southern state. Nobody came to your rescue. Nobody from the party said wait a minute they targeted this guy. What he did first of all the thing that they got you on was a contribution for a state lottery. Which i understand now. What twenty two years later or something or almost twenty years later is is just past the alabama senate again and they're waiting for the house to pass it that where they are now on a new lottery with the contribution that they alleged was a bribe was from a man who served on a nonpaying board. I was the fourth governor in a row to appoint the guy to the same board and served all. He didn't want to jog again right. There was no allegation that i benefited by cycle penny. You'll have the distinction. According to the eleventh circuit of being the only person public official ever sent to prison Under these circumstances but be that as it. May you know we've got to. We've got to change our justice system to protect the innocent. And to hold the guilty accountable. So i'm looking forward to playing my role. Oh by the way. I got my license return. They voted the bar. Association voted unanimously to return to give me my license back so this week. I was able to put down in my desk drawer. So that's another step in the right direction. Well i'm glad because it should have been done years ago. It should have never been taken away. But there's that that old adage too little too late. I'm really angry at this party. For not not coming to your rescue if you can be allowed to languish in jail for five years for not committing a crime just being a target of karl rove in the republicans they did open the door for donald trump to let a roger stone keep doing his dirty tricks to let steve bannon and the rest of them dealer stephen miller oh my god these just horrible sorry excuses for human beings to perpetrate their ill will on our nation and i. I'm angry at barack obama that he left office and didn't pardon you. What did you have. Have you ever spoken to anybody about that. The other thing bill. The piece of this is a hundred thirteen former state attorneys general from around the country. Lots of them. Republicans lots of democrats road to president. obama and and called on him to issue a pardon but anyway nothing was done and i'm i'm out. I'm pushing for a criminal justice reform starting with its. You know straightening out in holding police accountable for their excessive use of force against blacks in this country is just got to come to an end it. Does i see that you don't want to go there. I'll do it when you're not on the air with me. Because i'm i'm angry about it and there was no excuse for that. I'm sorry and if i ever get the chance to interview barack obama you know that's going to be one of my first questions because it's built up in me for years it just but so don siegelman have you had any contact with the biden administration. So president biden a the sixteenth street baptist church. The african american church for young girls were killed Shortly after george. Wallace raise the confederate battle flag over the capitol in nineteen sixty three. But anyway i had a chance to speak with him. Personally there and i'll have been in touch with a couple of folks in his policy office and i'll tell you that he's got some very good sharp. Caring committed people working for him. So i'm i'm proud of the quality and commitment of the people that he has on stuff. Well good. I'm glad to hear that and i agree. He's he as opposed to the former guy who said only the best people biden's actually surrounding himself with mostly good people. There are a few. I take exception to but hey nobody is going to be one hundred percent in lockstep with me so i understand that. I'm willing to compromise on certain things you mentioned. You are now in working in in criminal justice reform. are you anything in the state of alabama. I wanna go back. Why are you still in alabama well but my dog is here so i'm here got actually. We just got a little chocolate lab up. We're this is. This is for the for the moment. But yes i've been. I've been working quietly behind the scenes in the deep red republican. State trying to impact Criminal justice reform And there are there are some republicans who are also at work trying to do the same thing. So i am cautiously optimistic. This some good things hopefully will happen. I hope so. I'm glad you have your law license again. Would you ever go back to practicing. I mean you've had a big gap in there but but it's not like you ever stopped doing the research in the work. Well what i hope to do have docked on justice as soon as possible volunteering to work with the lawyers on jury selection or a criminal defense issues where i feel the state or the united states since on in the wrong direction so You know a hotel leaving an imprint there and again the the key for me right now is having having gone through all this if one is to find a pro there's purpose in everything or one is to found a purpose and everything that happens. They my purpose now is to him. Background justice reform. And so that's why the dutch with the biden administration. I'm trying to Make my way into the this new george floyd act because i think there there's some is a good step but there are some gaps there as well. What do they what is the answer. What do we do about this. Seeming epidemic of police violence against mostly black men but not only black men. It's a power trip. I think it. What do you do about it. How do you fix this. Well i think again. Because i think it starts holding police accountable and thank you do that about by repealing the immunity given to prosecutors in the investigators and the federal towards claims that in one thousand nine hundred seventy six supreme court in something called the case gave prosecutors unlimited protection from civil liability So that they can present. It's also evidence testimony or withholding scalpels jury in order to get into dighton conviction. I think president biden's should step forward one in repudiate that in an executive order and secondly till his attorney general that while president Prosecutors and investigators may not be sued civilly for doing those kinds of willful withholding oriented falls out. If they are to have done so they will be fired. Think they need to make it clear to the fbi and other agencies and to prosecutors that if they misbehave and think they can get away with framing an innocent citizen through false testimony or evidence. They're going to be fired. So there's some pros and biden. Ken do through an executive order. That will make a difference right. But what one thing that we've discovered that we we kinda new but now we're seeing it in black and white is how these officers these defending officers lie. They lie on the police report. In the case of george floyd we saw the press release issued about. He had a medical Incident and then later died at the hospital. Not a word about holding them down in the knee on the neck or any of that stuff which we would never have known about if not for that brave young woman who videotaped it by the same token and this is a totally separate and different thing just past the ten year anniversary of my arrest at a town hall meeting for trying to ask my then congressman a question and the only reason i bring this up is because that officer lied on my arrest report as well. He said that. I got physical with him and that i pushed him. The truth is and it's on videotape. He pushed me. Numerous times. And i finally elden amazon. Get your hands off me. That's when he put me under arrest but they lie with such impunity and it seems like it's just common procedure they lied. They make up what they wanna make up and put on the arrest report. How do we change that again. I think if if if we're going we got a whole we've got to start holding people accountable. We've got a repeal. The immunity gave We've got to have a lawyer present for the for the person who has charged in the grand jury as a check on truth to jug albums by the prosecution or to present evidence of their own such bodycam video or other videos that the grand jurors would not see otherwise. Keep in mind. In many cases prosecutors police and judges see themselves as playing on the same team. They see themselves. As being part of the government's team well smooth prosecutors frequently cover for police and you know the the. We have seen tragically that the deaths of box at the hands of excessive use of force by police is seemingly usual happening all the time holding them accountable as was done with derek. Chauvin is is an anomaly. Right so we. We've got to straighten that out and the way to do that is through some of the ways that i just mentioned. Gotcha i want to ask you a bit about alabama politics Last year the state did not reelect doug jones who who plays a part in your book and if people get the audio book they'll hear doug jones who is just starting out but was was was part of the story he was the senator for one term and now he was beaten by. Tommy toubon ville Watch a hell what we've gone the way of gone from some some great representatives who are in their own right You know the civil libertarians and cared about people They were somewhat constrained by by voters but they generally found a way even during the sixties to try to do the right thing to now. We've got You know a film in congress. Saying we've got another one that tempting than dummy bill right so mo brooks is now going to run for richard shelby seat. And we could wind up with no brooks tommy tucker. Would you ever run for office again. don siegelman. Well it's given the the makeup of the alabama. And i don't think i was. I was the last democrats standing in alabama and probably the Well as you mentioned the only one do all those before top offices. So i'm i'm happy with that and you never say never probably probably because it's a it's a different world than it was twenty years ago right. I mean very different in many ways. That's really sad. Do do you have any contacts dylan state government or you just kind of doing your own thing. Well i do do for some republican friends. Who are in in. I have of course democratic friends and members of the house and senate but And i'm again. I'm quietly trying to have an impact. Where can but It's difficult in this in this climate and of course with donald trump still on the loose There's a lot of pandering to the public Saw him elected officials. And that makes it difficult to to have the kind of impact on for example criminal justice program red state like alabama. The republicans are meeting. This week i guess last weekend and the week in in orlando and there was another gathering somewhere else of the republican senatorial committee or whatever they're still pandering to donald trump. Do you think that the republican party is going to survive. Because the last thing. I read a something said there's twenty. Five percent of adults will identify self. Identify as a republican. Do you think they can survive this especially now we see giuliani and the other people being rated. Hopefully there's investigations going on and they will be held accountable for what they did to this country can the can the republican party survive this. I think they will survive. I'm not sure how they will emerge and let's hope it's not in the in the shape of a trump. But you know we've got people like hawley and ted cruz out from texas and brian. Kelly from georgia. I mean they're they're doing. They're exhibiting some horrible traits and again. I think it's all pandering to the base and you know but we have to hope that that dissipates quickly right. My only concern of the republican party not surviving is that more of them will come over to the democratic party and try to pull us further to the right which is not what we need right now. They screwed up their own party. We don't need them screwing up ours where we're finally moving in the right direction so You know let them let them deal with their own. Mess don siegelman. It's always it's always great to hear from you and you know you always have an open invitation here anytime. The book is available and now the audio book is out stealing our democracy by don siegelman. Read by don siegelman. So get i mean just hearing. I read the book and a hear your voice in it hearing you tell what happened. I'm sure as just another adds another dimension to it. Thank you for sharing your story with us and again on behalf of the american people. I'm so sorry that this was allowed to happen to you. It shouldn't take you great to be with you. Look back sometime me to anytime great to talk to you. Thank you so much but by all right. Don't forget tonight. Joe biden first address to a joint session of congress. Not quite the state of the union. It'll be a address of a different kind because everything is different. We'll see how it plays out what's most important is what he says. And i think most people are going to be happy with it and we'll talk about it tomorrow. Tomorrow's thursday howie. Klein will be here but we'll also run through the speech. So if you miss anything. I'll try to have the important parts for you. All right as always thank you for listening. Everyone see tomorrow. Keep the faith and vaccinated by i. It's time for new sandler's what's news from nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices network president. Joe biden will mark the eve of his one hundredth day in office with his first address before a joint session of congress nine pm eastern wednesday night for the first time ever to women will sit behind the president who will also for the first time. Say the words madam vice president as he begins his speech. The president will introduce the american families. Plan that's a one point eight trillion dollar bundle of proposals that includes four more years of free education universal preschool for three and four year olds and two years of free community college. It would also provide additional assistance to low income students by increasing pell grants and also provide direct support children and families and extend the tax cuts under the american rescue plan that benefit lower and middle income workers and families. There's a lot more for instance. The american families plan will also extend the expanded health insurance tax credits. Those credits are providing premium relief. That's lowering health insurance costs by an average of fifty dollars per person per month for nine million people. It'll also enable four million more uninsured people to gain coverage the plan would also create a national comprehensive paid family and medical leave program and will ensure workers get three days of bereavement leave per year. Starting in year one it will also reform our broken unemployment insurance system it would extend the child tax credit increase in the american rescue plan through twenty twenty-five and make the child tax credit permanently fully refundable. It is ambitious. It would be paid for by increasing the top tax rate and capital gains tax and by cracking down on irs enforcement of tax evaders. Of course president biden will touted the great progress made in the last one hundred days in the fight against covid and four vaccinations as well as the aarp and. Oh yeah jackson. The male only two hundred invited guests will be in attendance due to covid restrictions. Republican senator tim. Scott of south carolina will deliver the republican response and jamaal bowman. The freshman congressman from new york will deliver a progressive responses well democratic congresswoman ilhan omar is reintroducing three policing bills. She hopes will end up. In the bipartisan packaged. Lawmakers have been fine tuning for weeks as pressure mounts to pass meaningful police reform legislation. The most significant of these bills would establish an independent federal agency to investigate deaths in police custody officer involved shootings and usa force that results in severe bodily injury. Meanwhile incidence of non lethal use of force are getting more attention like in a federal civil lawsuit filed against four officers north carolina alleging that they grabbed a black woman by her hair and pulled her out of her. Suv during a traffic stop in new jersey. Two officers are facing civil. Rights charges for allegedly assaulting an arab teenager and then lying about that on a police report and on and on it goes on tuesday. The fbi confirmed that it was launching a civil rights investigation into the killing of andrew brown. Junior forty two year old black man killed by sheriff's deputies in pascua tank county north carolina. His family's attorney said that a private autopsy showed that a deputy fired a quote. Kill shot to the back of the head as brown sat in his car outside his home in elizabeth city. Shortly after deputies arrived to serve search and arrest warrants connected to felony drug charges attorneys and local officials also called for the release of more bodycam video after the family was allowed to see just a twenty second clip on monday and a keeps happening. This time police. In alameda california. Released footage of the events leading to the death of mario gonzalez. He's a twenty six year old latino man who died after officers knelt on his back and shoulder until he became unresponsive. The video contradicts officials original account of the confrontation. Three officers involved have been placed on administrative leave. President biden is nominated the sheriff of harris county texas and outspoken critic of the trump administration's immigration policies to be director of ice immigration and customs enforcement. Ed gonzalez was a houston police officer for nearly twenty years. He's been the sheriff of one of the nation's most populous and most diverse counties since twenty. Sixteen he publicly criticized. Trump's policies during the former guys term for focusing on who did not pose public safety threats. Ice has not had a director confirmed by the senate since twenty. Seventeen all right. Here's what those of us who are vaccinated have been waiting for the cdc on tuesday revised its guidance on coronavirus precautions saying that those who've been fully vaccinated can safely go without masks when walking jogging or cycling outdoors or win dining with friends and family had outdoor restaurants. The new recommendations apply starting two weeks after people received their final dose of an approved corona virus vaccine. The change came after rising pressure on public health authorities to relax mask mandates for people who are outside where social distancing easier and breezes quickly disperse airborne venus particles more than fifty two percent of eligible people have received at least one dose the. Cdc has released new outdoor mask guidance saying fully vaccinated people can forgo face coverings at small outdoor gatherings or when dining outside with friends from multiple households unvaccinated. People according to the cdc should still wear masks for such events and even fully vaccinated people should take similar precautions. In larger denser outdoor settings president biden touted the new guidelines as a reason all americans should get vaccinated another day. Another mass shooting one woman was killed and a three month. Old baby was left in serious condition after an unidentified gunmen opened fire on a group of children in richmond virginia on tuesday evening. According to the police chief the shooter fire on the group outside an apartment complex before someone else returned. Fire and the gunmen fled. The victims are believed to include the baby and two adult women. One of whom has died. The shooter is still on the run. Police are appealing for information. And i wonder what the president will say about guns in tonight's speech while the popularity of the united states has improved significantly among several us allies since president biden entered the white house. This according to a morning consult survey released tuesday. The most dramatic swing took place in germany on january twentieth. Only twenty four percent of germans view the us favorably two months later. That number increased to forty six percent australia. Canada france italy japan spain and the uk all saw double digit jumps as well while mexico registered an eight percent increase among the fourteen nations surveyed. Only china reported a notable downward trend. Though it's possible that would have happened. Regardless considering these state of affairs between washington and beijing biden has made a point of telling other countries. America is back and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nicole sandler if you're appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. I can't do it without your help. Find out more nicole. Sandler dot com. Please click on that donate button.

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20200612 Nicole Sandler Show - Stolen Democracy with Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman

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20200612 Nicole Sandler Show - Stolen Democracy with Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman

"The. Following program contains graphic material including offensive language fewer. This questions advised. Cheese got the news. She talks with news makers. She encourages us to laugh. And she cries with US speaking truth to power and Questioning Authority daily. It's the Nicole Sandler show. All Right? Hello and welcome to A. Friday. Oh I love it when we make it to the end of the week. I was GONNA. Say unscathed, but there's nothing unscathed about what we're all going through right now. All right well, it is Friday and today's the day. I have been looking forward to for quite some time because as you know over the last. Month or two I've spoken with former Alabama. Governor Don Siegelman on a few occasions I've also been reading his new book. The book is called stealing our democracy. How the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation and let me tell you it does indeed it does. I finally finished reading the book last night. And I it made me cry. Because what happened to a really good man should never have happened to anybody in this country it is. It is a travesty and even bigger travesty perhaps is that this story has not been screamed from the rooftops in every city around the nation now i. When this happened to Don Siegelman during that time I was doing talk radio here in south Florida then I moved to Air America where we covered this incredulously and as much as I remember most of the details most of what happened as this all went went by reading the. And reading a governor Siegelman a explanation of what happened. Just. Seeing all the behind the scenes maneuvering and what was done to this man is. Just reprehensible, it makes me so angry, and and so I, invited, the governor backed today to really go in depth into his story, because we've heard it in bits and pieces and bits and spurts, and the book lays it all out I want you to buy the book. It is officially released this coming Tuesday. It's available for preorder, and all those usual places but you must read this book and stick around. Because Governor Siegelman will join us in just a couple minutes We got a little bit of news to take care of and I want to play for you electric. Try to start each show with something, lighthearted and fun. something to give us perhaps a little laugh if that's possible in this day and age So and what I've been playing mostly over the last few months are a song parodies that that I found online mostly people dealing with the covid infection in a somewhat humorous way One is something different. It's an old friend Jill. So buell, who's been on this program many times, and is an old friend of mine from back in my music radio days in Los Angeles and she posted this video to her website last night. and and it just it works on water levels in especially works with what we're dealing with today, so we'll open the show officially with this new song from Jill, so buell and it's called owning the libs. You can guess where she's going with this one. Take it away Jill so buell. Here we go I, think no. No, it doesn't WANNA play. I'm owed no best laid plans, and all that you know what for some reason I'm not getting any audio out of there, which is really weird so I'm GonNa just. I'm going to have to play for you. The the audio version of the song because I can't tease you like that and then not play it for you so. Here, we go, Joe. You'll. Oh, no! Give me one more second oh best late. You knew I couldn't get through a show without a technical problem today right all right final final. Go here we go. 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You can always listen to what's news which is posted at Nicole Sandler Dot Com and also a podcast so here we go little bit of what's happening today. All right I'm not going to get into much of it because I want to get to Governor Siegelman, but let's start with this. Looting has broken out in Washington. DC again and this time. We knew it was going to happen treasury. Secretary Steven mnuchin is now flat out refusing to disclose the businesses that received five billion dollars in bailout funds through the paycheck protection program, claiming the information is confidential, four and a half million businesses received government funds, and normally the Small Business Administration Discloses the names of Borrowers from the program on which base the P. P P but statement to Mnuchin said his department considered that information, proprietary and confidential. Wow. And this, actually this has a little bit of bearing on some of what I'll be talking to the governor about the Republican led Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday authorized its chair Senator Lindsey Graham to subpoena former Obama administration officials about the origins of the intelligence communities investigation into Russian election meddling in a party line vote the panels Republican majority approved calling former director of National Intelligence James Clapper former CIA director John Brennan and the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded. In stunning study recently, which might be also one of the reasons why Richard Burr was pushed out the the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Russia did try to interfere on the thousand sixteen election on trump's behalf. But, but but Lindsey. Graham wants to also look into foreign surveillance applications, and why former special counsel Robert Muller was appointed in the first place, so they're are issuing all these subpoenas of course if you remember back to the molar, investigation. All of the trump administration officials denied the subpoenas. So the Democrats of course are suggesting that they subpoena as well some current and former trump allies including former attorney general. Jeff sessions and trump's son-in-law and senior adviser. Jared Kushner. Also just heading down to Louisville Kentucky from the Metro Council there voted unanimously yesterday to ban the type of no knock search warrants that police were using when they fatally shot Brianna Taylor, of course, the unarmed black emergency medical technician in her apartment, while she lay sleeping in her bed on March thirteenth, her boyfriend fired I thinking the officers were intruders well the Mayor Greg Fischer who suspended the use of those no knock warrants. Last month said he'd signed Brianna 's law immediately, tweeting out the risk to residents and officers with this kind of search outweigh any benefit that's true, but I want to know why those three cops who shot and killed. Brianna Taylor are all still walking around. Two more quick items Donald Trump appeared last night or yesterday in Dallas Texas, and an event billed as a race roundtable that he was allegedly gonNA lead it was held at a conservative and predominantly White Church in Dallas at which trump praised the national guards use of tear gas and other forceful measures to disperse Minneapolis crowds who were protesting police brutality against African Americans. He described the effort to quell a protest as a quote beautiful seen. And described where the national guard walk through like a knife cutting butter. Now trump did not mention the name George Floyd, but he said that the work of confronting bigotry would go quickly, and it'll go very easily providing we, we avoid falsely labeling tens of millions of decent. Americans as racist or bigots. You gotta be kidding me, and by the Way Dallas Texas has a black police chief, a black sheriff and a black district attorney, and none of them were invited to participate in a round-table on race and policing held in Dallas Texas with the president of the United States. It is just unbelievable. And now we learned that the orange menace will accept his Republican nomination in Jacksonville Florida in August instead of in Charlotte North Carolina, as originally planned because Donald trump wants a big crowd. He wants a pack convention center with no masks by the way and north. Carolina's Democratic Governor, said Hell no the instances of Covid, nineteen or spiking. You're not doing this in my state, and so the Flora da man chief governor of Rhonda Racist I'm Santa's obviously cares more about appeasing trump than the health and safety of Florida's citizens, so now Republican delegates will elect their nominee from Charlotte, where most of the convention. Business will still happen, but trump will make his acceptance speech three states away and front of what he expects will be a packed arena filled with without masks. But this date also coincides with another horrible day. In history in Jacksonville. It's the sixtieth anniversary of the at of ax. Handle Saturday when a white mob organized by the clan attacked mostly black civil rights protestors who were sitting at Jacksonville's whites, only lunch counters. Can this administration be that tone deaf? And and you know this is not the first instance with the campaign trail long before that with his first stop scheduled in Tulsa Oklahoma the site of one of the worst acts of racist violence. This country has ever seen next Friday a week from today. That is June nineteenth June teen a day that commemorates the end of slavery in the United States. Again. They knew what it meant and. Say. You know they knew they knew of the Tulsa history, they knew of the date but they didn't think the backlash would be so bad. Right. By the way. If you want tickets to that Tulsa rally, you can now get them. The campaign formally offered supporters the chance to register to attend, but they're requiring that anyone wishing to go. I agree not to sue the campaign or the venue. If they contract covid in nineteen, I kid you not the online sign up page, says anyone clicking to register for free tickets acknowledges that there is an inherent risk of corona virus infection quote by attending the rally you in any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to Cova Nineteen and agree not to hold. Donald J trump for President Inc box center ASM Global, or any of their affiliates, directors, officers employs agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury. That's how little regard this president holds his supporters. Forget about the people who don't like him. This is what he's doing to his supporters. They could get sick, so what as long as they're cheering me on? Our system is broken horribly so and you think it only started during the Bush during the. Floor, Freudian slip there during the trump administration. You're sorely mistaken and this hour we will. Relieve you of those notions. We're just going to get right to him I promised. You Governor Don. Siegelman and I'm thrilled that he joins me now. Hello Governor how you doing. I'm doing great Nicole. I could listen to you all day long. Thank you. It is both informative and I was smiling most of the time, because if if anybody does it believe that our democracy is being stolen just need to listen to your broadcast. I mean. How can the Treasury Secretary? Keep from the public how they're spending five billion dollars loads. Of our money and you know what this what this was. Brought up in the negotiations over the cares act that the that the the the businesses that received the P P P funds had to be disclosed, and they sorta just pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed it off. And and frankly a shame on me. I didn't follow it closely enough, but if I had I guess I would have seen that Steven. MNUCHIN never agreed to make that information public as has always been done in the past. Well let me let me I'm GonNa jump from here. Of back to beyond a Taylor and of the three police officers who? Shot and killed her. And the reason they're still walking on the street is covered in my book stealing our democracy and let me explain. Explain why this is. while. My Book is relevant to what has happened to George Floyd Eric Gardner. Trayvon Martin and so many others that have been killed before and sets. It is because. OUR OUR SYSTEM I grand jury system allows prosecutors to set. Cops who kill people free in the secrecy of a grand jury they could be no build by not presenting evidence to the grand jury that they're guilty, but by presenting evidence to the grand jury that makes the homicide look like is justified, and that's why we see so few. Police who have been involved in fatal shootings and innocent citizens convicted charged with anything and so. In my book stealing our democracy I talk about reforming our justice system. One of the key elements is to ensure that. Both targets have grand jury such as myself as I was back in two thousand and. Two, through eight or whatever it was Or the family members of victims such as beyond Taylor or Eric Gardner, or are George Floyd have the right to have a lawyer present in the grand jury as a check on truth now. Why do we need a check on truth? Because there is no judge president, it is a secret proceeding and the United States Supreme Court has given blanket immunity to prosecutors. To willfully and intentionally present false evidence or withhold exculpatory evidence to get an indictment or conviction. This up now in the in the Los Angeles Times on January the fourth, January the V, two thousand and ten the. Legal correspondent for the Times reported that. President. Obama's lawyer argued to the United States. Supreme Court yesterday January the fourth, thousand and ten that US. Citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be frame. Ahead we need to. We need to just stop on that for a second. Because that's one of the many things that I dog eared the page and highlighted in your book. President. Obama's Solicitor General. Made this argument that US citizens do not have the constitutional right not to be framed. It's also been embedded in congressional, actually federal towards claims which also limits gives gives prosecutors free hand to. Present evidence to get a conviction or to get an indictment, they they now let me. Let me say two things one. Elena Kagan. Had Her deputy. Make the argument and it was a legal it is. It wasn't as illegal fact. You as citizens can be framed, but the fact of the matter is. The solicitor. General did not have to take that position she could have. She could have taken position and said. You know this is the law today. Because of a nineteen seventy six court decision, but we're asking you to change that decision today. This this involves two black man who spent twenty five years in prison for a crime. They didn't commit. They were suing for monetary damages now. Let me take you one step further into the legal minutia and I'll get out of it. This is I. But in a legal in a civil civil deposition, where monetary damages are. Lawyers from both sides having opportunity to act to evidence that the other side seeks to introduce. Or testimony and a judge decides whether or not it can be introduced well. That's where money is involved, but. Shouldn't we have that same legal protection? Where someone's life and liberty is at stake? Yeah, the yeah, so. That's one of the recommendations making my book, but if anybody needs proof. That! Our, democracy that our democracy is they don't believe that our democracy is being stolen. You know look at what's going on today here. You Have Donald Trump, calling in the military to go out and and. Gas protesters because he wants to have a photo or you know. Bill Bar has made so many decisions that underscore that the Department of Justice can be politicized or can be weaponized of. To a presidents will and we've simply got to. Hold. Both police prosecutors and presidents accountable for their abuses of power so far we have done a miserable job of that absolutely but. That's that's an understatement. Governor Don. Siegelman of course is our guest, the book stealing our democracy how the political assassination of governor threatens! Our nation officially hit stores on Tuesday and again it is it is, it is a tale that should be taught in schools to show the breakdown of the rule of law that shows how corrupt individuals can game a corrupt system, and how the protections that are supposed to be in place are not there so governor. I set aside a lot of time today we have the whole rest of the hour and then some. If we need it, I really WanNa go through your story, because as I said at the beginning of the show I. I remember when this was happening to you. I was doing talk radio here in Florida, then on your America and and you know, listen to what happened in disbelief. When you got sent back to prison, we'll get to this. It was just a I mean it was a knife through my heart. I can only imagine what it did to you. L. I saw some in that reading the book and getting into your head in and how this affected you and your your wonderful family? It's just what was done to. You is just just horrible, and so I do want it for their a Lotta time has passed in. There are a number of people who've come to. Embrace the news and politics late after what's been going on new world? That may not know your story, and it's so important that they know what was done to you. 'cause we're seeing it sort of repeating itself with the trump administration as his cronies and his sycophants. Are possibly worse than than bushes, but i. you know it bothers me when I see in comparison to Donald Trump, people saying oh Bush wasn't so bad well. He was that bad and the people he surrounded himself with. Were that bad, so let's start with the beginning. You were a very popular Democrat in Alabama you were secretary of state. You worked away up to attorney general then Lieutenant Governor, and eventually became governor, and you were so popular, not only among the Democrats, but among Republicans to that, your name was being floated as a potential Democratic presidential candidate for two thousand four. That's until Karl Rove got involved right. Right. And I want to. Give some perspective because. My. Being elected to public office wasn't an easy feat, considering that I was running in probably the most conservative, but one of the most conservative states in the in the country and you know, I was I was a a Robert. Kennedy Jane Fonda Democrat. Eddie you are a progressive and I need to make that clear to the people listening. There are some Democrats. Doug Doug Smith has a cameo in your book the current Senator from from Alabama, who who is a Democrat, but not a progressive. You are a progressive. You're one of us and that's why I take it so personally. I'm sorry continue. Well I was I was elected to the National Board of the Americans Americans for Democratic Action. Noted Liberal Organization grew out of the Socialist Movement in the forties. I was elected to their national board in nineteen seventy. One I worked in the dump Johnson Movement I worked in the L. Rowan Lowenstein. You ran for Congress and on Long Island. At graduate from Georgetown went to Oxford England One of the former governors told me I should tell everybody that was Oxford Mississippi. They'd like that a whole lot better that. I came back into worked against George Wallace's attempt to take over the State Democratic Party but anyway I found myself. Being elected was drawn into public office, because I wanted to change things and make things better for people. And I! I did have a good run was the longest running elected a Democrat in the southeast at the time that I decided that I'd had enough of George Bush's war policies is senseless, education, economic policies and that I I had to enter the primaries starting in South Carolina. As a southern progressive kind of along the lines of Carter and Clinton to break the the Republican stronghold on the South and. I think he was at that point that call rogue decided enough is enough. And I was targeted for prosecution by. Koros client. The State Attorney General now. If you want me to I can. I can go ahead and go through a litany of grove connections to my case, but I wanted to give you a chance to go ask. Different Greg. Thank you and I. I need to correct myself to things. It was five hundred billion dollars in the program. I said five billion first because the number so astounding and I just wanted to make that correction because it was five hundred billion dollars that they were used to tell us where it's going. And the senator from Alabama is Doug Jones Not Doug Smith I was having a brain fart I'm please. Common. I knew. I Hate I hate when I get something wrong. I like to like to correct it and please do point out if I screw something up. But yes, the tangled web around Karl Rove is important because the people that he enlisted to carry out his dastardly deed We're all involved throughout your whole time in in Politics Alabama from Laura Canary. The prosecutor to her husband, who worked so so do tell us the players because. I mean we do a flow chart. Because there are a number of them involved. Let me, let me let me say two things. First of all. They're baby people listening who are not familiar or not familiar enough with Karl Rove right. He. He. He was he was the architect. They say Bush's brain. See he was Bush's brain. During Bush's presidency. He was a political operative. He was he was raised about Lee Atwater, and but he has a sordid past that goes back to Richard Nixon when he worked in the Nixon White House doing dirty tricks I of even before then, but he worked as a work with George. Hubert Walker Bush in his reelection. In Nineteen ninety-two. His his sidekick hit the guy who was in charge of the ground. Troops for the Bush quayle campaign was Billy Canary Right. The IT worked. It worked with Reagan and Bush in anyway so. After the ninety two election after they lost to Bill Clinton and Al Gore. They? Rose and billy came to Alabama and because billionaire he had a girlfriend there. They decided they could set up a political shop in Alabama. Start over, and so they did rove move through of Rosemary Beach in the Gulf coast and Billy Canary Moves to Alabama they both married Alabama goals and settled in for the long haul to rebuild their political future by taking over the Alabama Supreme, court. I had I had of course. Indirect run INS with with them periodically from nineteen, ninety four, until the year two thousand and two, but in two thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine after I'd been elected governor. I was an investigation was started by Carl rose client the attorney general. Bill Pryor who now sits on an anti these the chief judge of the Eleventh Circuit of Spring of the Alabama. The Court of Appeals. In Atlanta. And When my, when I was running for office in two thousand and two. The night of the election, my I one but. A second and third set of returns were produced by the. PROBATE judge Sheriff in circuit clerk that a essentially wiped out sixty two hundred mile votes and gave the election to buy opponent again just just to stress. What happened here that the polls closed the first you know the the precincts counted you. Were you one It was eleven o'clock at night. Everyone went home later on. All of a sudden new numbers came from the Republican. Headquarters or something where. Somebody in the dead of night, switched the numbers from a few of the polling places, and all of a sudden you were behind, and and they certified those numbers before the deadline without anybody ever seeing those ballots. Yes. I. When I realized what was what was happening that there were stealing the election. I I called and requested. A hand recount of the paper ballots in this one precinct. Where my votes went missing, right? Before we could get to this South Alabama county the next morning. The State Attorney General Koru client had has seized the ballots and sees the cassettes at from that are from the the voting machines in each count in each. took all of the election supplies and went to Montgomery and certified the opponent as a winter. Noted illegally because they weren't supposed to be counted or certified until. Friday noon after the election right of. The the misery. Starts to unfold a little more clearly. When? We have evidence that Jock, Abramov, who's a one of Karl Rove's? Three College Republican buddies the other to grover norquist. And Ralph Reed Non Lane Aunt. But all three of them were involved in funnelling. Twenty million dollars of Indian casino money. From Mississippi in Alabama. In an effort to defeat me and to defeat. A ballot initiative which I had proposed, which would have provided for Free College Education for all of Alabama's children out right in a free universal. pre-k or Early learning now this this Education Fund, this ballot initiative was four a lottery which many states have lotteries state lotteries go to benefit education and this was a project. This was a pet project of yours that you had been working on for a long time and they they chose that. To go after you on and keep in mind again that this was a state lottery. Program you wanted to put into effect to benefit education in your state, and they turned it around and accused you of taking a bribe. This the bribe was the broad. The Co was was based on a campaign contribution to the ballot initiative. Of to the Campaign Fund for the Ballard Initiative Right. And it was alleged that I had. Made a deal to put this contributor. Back on board. From which he resigned by the way back on a board on where she had served for twelve years under three previous governors. A? Go back to, but he did it because I asked him to. It was not like this is a favor. You give me a contribution I'm going to name you to this board here. Already served on it and he really didn't WanNa. Do it anymore, but he said he would because you asked him to. Write. You said he would do it for year. No more and that was. That's what he did, but. There was no allegation of any self-enrichment Schemer, no allegation of any Personal benefit to me whatsoever, but the judge told the jury that they could could could consider the contribution. To the ballot initiative as a thing of value to me, because is supported free college education for the for our kids, and that was that was the source of the money for the for the. Education, okay Sir you're talking. They're saying that constituted a quid pro quo. Now we've all learned a lot about would pro quo through the deal with the Ukrainian President Donald Trump said you open an investigation into Biden, and we'll give you the the the the the financial aid that you've been needing. That's quid pro quo. What you? Express Express with pro quo. and. That's the kind of quid pro quo that the Supreme Court. said in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, one in the McCormick case would constitute a broad right, but yet when the Senate. The Republican Senate were confronted with that. They changed one hundred years of history and said Oh. No, that's not a bribe, but in my case when there was no quid pro quo, and there was no personal benefit, I was convicted and sent to prison for eight months of for trying to help the kids Valhalla, but it was all thought it was just as an attempt to get me out of the way because they didn't want me in that two thousand four presidential rice, but the you know. I. So. Comparisons. We made one to the quid pro quos, mind, non existent and trump's. Yeah, but the other the other point of this is. And one that I wanted to make in the book. I think I did is that a the Department of Justice can be used as a political weapon. It was during the Bush administration to come after me. They also went after Jim Doyle. In A. MINNESOTA. Not Sure! He wasn't a governor from. A democratic governor as well and. And then they they fired Republican US attorneys. Who would not go laughter Democrat right? We remember that bolster the Republican. And, these were US attorneys who had been appointed by George W Bush. They weren't holdovers from the Democrats. It was his own appointees who were doing his political bidding enough so they they had a mass firing, and that was a big controversy that I remember very clearly well, this is all. Sorry, go back continue. There were there were seventeen editorials in the new. York, times about my case about the need to. Investigate Karl Rove's involvement. And John. Conyers, blessed soul was was. Hot on the trail, he was the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and he he wanted to call Rove to testify under oath about the firing of the Republican US attorneys and also the The selective prosecution and political misconduct prosecutorial misconduct case. Off. Rove. Never! Would never agree to testify under oath. And unfortunately, when when President Obama was elected, they gave him a pass allowed him to. Talk to speak to Adam shift. As a member of the house. Committee but not under oath, and even during during that time they asked him about. Billy Canary. He said I. Don't know if I remember him or not. Well. Clearly he was lying, but he wasn't under oath, so wouldn't make any difference, and then they ask him about another one of his his deputy at the white. House or Namus Kitty McCulloch or Kelly Kimbro. Name! Any claimed he didn't really know who she was either, but she was not only working with the White House she was working to him on the ground in Alabama. Overseeing directly overseeing by. A Re election in two thousand and two. She was sitting at the desk with the Republican Party chairman when they called the Baldwin County probate judge said. y'All got to do something about this vote in Baldwin County or otherwise, our candidate for governor is going to lose. Encirclement is going to win. It was then that they went back in and made the change in the vote total, after which again call rose quiet, sees the ballots before they could be counted, and and took them away and certified. My opponent is winter at that point, governor. Somebody should have stepped in who should have stepped in to fix this mess at that point. Well at that point. That was two thousand and to the White House and the Justice Department. And the US Attorney's were controlled by George. W. Bush, but you think you would think that the DNC. Or members of Congress would have gotten. So exercised about this. That, they would have. Started an investigation and would have demanded that those ballots be turned over to somebody so we can have a recount. And that never happened, but nothing was done amazing so. You know the the point. The point I want to make is the point of making my book, is it? My election was hot. It was it was done through a computer, and it was the guy that took credit was a there was a staff member of Bob. Riley's my opponent, who claimed he was a an elections? security specialists trained by the software company that operated the machines in Baldwin County. Any went to work immediately after the election for a Jack Abramov tolerance. Related of. Lobbying firm, the Alexandria group. He was anyway. So the point is the point I want to make is that elections can be stolen today through hacking at. It doesn't have to be the Russians. Could be call Rove's buddy, or it could be somebody else's and now back to the point I made at the beginning of your program. We now know that that that President Bush has extended a hand, or maybe I didn't make this point I wanted to call. Joy. Not George Bush dot Karl Rove But But the orange the orange. Orange Mountain see us. President trump is extended a hand to Karl Rove to come to the White House they have. And made up. Because they were, they were agree at each other in two thousand and sixteen and now. Why would why would? Why would president trump need Karl Rove because he is a whiz kid at. Stealing or or causing? Elections to fall to Republicans young. Direct direct evidence in Alabama in nineteen, ninety four. When he when I say, he stole election for the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court by getting some two thousand. what I thought were were valid. Absentee ballots thrown out, and then he was involved of course in creating the chaos around the two thousand election between Bush and Gore Florida. and. He is an expert. At this in two thousand and twenty when we're going to see a massive number of absentee ballots being cast, you can bet that Karl Rove will have people at every county courthouse throughout the country. To Challenge. Absentee ballots that are coming in from democratic controlled pre-sex. They're gonNA try to suppress. And have as many of those ballots thrown out as possible to help swing the election back to Donald trump the other thing you can watch. Is that Ralph Reed? With his bogus Christian coalition is probably going to be trying to Get the Evangelical. Christian ride involved in the in the trump campaign and he'll be beating those drums to to get out the vote. so we got. We got job on her hands to. Protect our democracy, and that's what again that's what my book is about right, and that's why it's imperative that people know what happened to paraphrase trump You know if you. IGNORE HISTORY! You're bound to repeat it. We need to not only make sure this is not repeated, but I think Karl Rove and Bill Canary and Laura. Canarian everybody involved with what they did to. You needs to be held to account, but we'll get to that so. Two thousand two. Your reelection was derailed because they stole it from you, and then while you're living within your indicted. Now. We know what. We've got to. We've got a little little more Buckingham. Showing in in two thousand and three, when my Republican opponent took over as governor. He immediately proposed a tax increase that even the state Republican Party opposed. His popularity dropped the the political surveys that were immediately around that period of time, showed that in a head to head contests with me in two thousand six that I would win by like sixty six percents. So the Republican Party chairman. Then went to Washington DC Jeffrey. BEAUREGARD general beauregard sessions. He's named after the confederate general. So He goes to see jeff sessions and and convinces him that he's the only person who can run for governor on the Republican side. Who can beat me in two thousand six? Jeff sessions had served as US attorney in Mobile South Alabama. His contingent of F. B. I. Agents, several of them resigned and came to work for the state as independent investigators, they were eventually hard by the state, and they was those retired F.. B. I. Agents who had worked for Jeff Sessions. Who investigated me for? Nearly four years tried to build these bogus cases while sessions himself was considering running against the governor. that's the first case. Came in two, thousand and four, the the judge had been on the bench for twenty nine years said it was the most unfounded criminal case over which she presided in his entire. Service on the bench and dismissed with prejudice. and. Then shortly after I announced I was running of my official announcement that I was running for governor two, thousand, six, hundred ninety again. This time on the bribery charge and You know the history from there is convicted sent to prison for. Well spent five years in prison right now, there was a time you were let out because. There was your lead out on appeal. Where were a three judge panel from the Circuit Court of Appeals said, wait a minute. This is bogus. Let you out to. For the in advance of the retrial. And during that time it looked like you know you're going to prevail because you didn't do anything wrong. It did look like going to prevail. What happened? Sixty minutes and I you know I give them credit this largely because Scott pelley out a twelve minute segment February the twenty, fourth, two, thousand and eight. Where they? Had I a Republican attorney general from Arizona. Who had been John McCain campaign manager co-chairman in two thousand. WHO said that? You know this Alabama's one state. Where they they couldn't. They couldn't beat circle fair and square, so they targeted him with this prosecution, then he, they interviewed the witness that had. Nick Bailey who was? The Real Crook and all less And he said he told sixty minutes that he had been he had. Either spoken to or been. Smoking the investigators prosecutors over seventy times over the course of some four and a half years and he had been made to write and rewrite his proposed testimony over and over until he got his answers. The way the government wanted them. There was a parallel government paralegal present. Tomorrow Grimes a Republican. Who? Gave a sworn statement, a whistleblower excitement and. She said that she was present, while that particular witness was coached and cajoled and pressured to remember things that he clearly did not recall. Of. So that's that's how the government got. Its conviction in the chargers were initiated not by the FBI but by Jeff Jeff sessions retired F. B. I., agents. I was brought to trial one month before the two thousand six elections. By the US attorney whose wife whose husband was call Rose Business, partner Billy Canary. So. While I was while I was. Being investigated and charged. The US. Attorney's husband was connected to Karl. Rove, but he was also running my opponent's campaign. Fund and there are so many instances like this that are just so wrong that in a normal court of law would have a case thrown out immediately conflict of interest, but you had a judge judge fuller. who was so against you from the start that on every front? I mean you were not allowed to even bring up the idea that this was a political prosecution. You weren't allowed to mention politics in your defense. I mean I would think that on appeal alone would have the case thrown out. You would. You would think also that this is. This was revealed after by. Conviction! But. John Conyers was pressing the Department of Justice for an investigation. They sent a letter. A sealed letter to the House Judiciary Committee that was released by an anonymous whistleblower in the I guess you can have an anonymous before in the House Judiciary Committee staff. It was published by the project on government oversight. And the the letter in the letter from the Department of Justice John Conyers say said. Politics was not involved in settlements prosecution, but the the lead prosecutor conducting the investigation. Was emailing settlements, opponents campaign manager, giving him updates on the. Department of Justice investigation now I don't know what you would call that. But the Department of Justice said it wasn't political, and it wasn't political that my you know my my the US attorney's husband was was working for my opponent managing his campaign so anyway we we have a lot to straighten out in this country and you know I'm. I'm sorry that I was the Guinea pig, but we've got a wrote this book so I could expose. Some of the. The wrongdoing, but the book is not about me. It is about saving our democracy. What happened to me happen? We can't erase it. I can't go back. not governor of not going to be governor nugget. Enter the president your rice, but you know we've got to. We've got to protect our democracy from these kinds of abuses of power. Now let's take it down to to back down to George Floyd and Eric Gardner and We will let let one one more thing. I want to get at. Though you you. You point so many figures in the last time we spoke. The last two times we spoke it was about problems. For instance, those people still in prison to are such great risk of cove infection. It's just the way people are treated. When you were I found guilty, you were you were led from the courtroom in shackles. You are taken directly to prison and put in solitary confinement. You are held in solitary confinement for an inordinate amount of time on a number of occasions for what I'm John I'm I was sick for you reading this I. I was arrested once for daring to try to my then Congressman Allen West a question about his vote to privatize Medicare and thrown in jail, and put in solitary by myself for a matter of hours and I thought I was going crazy I can't imagine what you went through, and they did this to you. For what good reason for no good reason, and there's no controls over this. This still happens every day that prisoners are thrown into isolation and left there for weeks and. Let me. Let me mention this. I got it I got a text I got an email. Indirectly from an inmate in prison today. Going to reveal his name of course, because they would get him in trouble right, but he is, he has been in solitary confinement for fifty seven days now, because Kobe nineteen. He. He did not test positive. He didn't have the virus, but he has been segregated as well as. I don't know how many other inmates have been subjected to this kind of. You know it. Unnecessary it short of torture for sure I mean it's not like waterboarding, but it does pray it does it does? It it's it's not pleasant. And I spent fifty nine days in solitary confinement. He's spent fifty seven days so far. and It's just not right now. What we did or I in buy is not right. Are Yeah I know you want it and we're going to go just warning people. We're going to run a little long governor. Hope that's okay with you, but I want to. There's so much WanNa get you We will end on progressive voices at six o'clock at the top of the hour in about five minutes. This show will continue at Nicole Sandler Dot com on Youtube on facebook it'll be. Be in the PODCAST and it'll be archived, so come on over afterwards, and you can hear the rest of it i. just want to let people know that we're not gonNA end until until we're done talking, so you wanted to talk about George Floyd and the correlations to what was done to him with your case and what you learned while being incarcerated for eight eight months so go ahead. Well the the way to correct this and I just WanNa to make it clear, is it? We have got. We've got to. We've got to flip this pronouncement. That you have citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. We've got to change the paradigm. We've got to ensure that that one that. That the there, we repeal the immunity for prosecutors, so they cannot willfully and intentionally put people in prison for things they didn't do. We need to. Repeal the exempt the not for prosecutors for withholding. They've been a hundred and fifty people on death row who have been exonerated because of prosecutorial misconduct so we've got to correct this. People's lives are at stake, but the reason why. Cops who murder people are not held accountable is because the family members do not have the right to have a lawyer present in the grand jury, and that is where cops who murdered people within. Can Murder People with impunity? It can be set free, and the innocent can be charged. It's a it's incredible when so you're in prison. You were imprisoned under George W. Bush he had the appeal. You lost on the appeal, which was just shocking. Because there's no way you should have been convicted there. There's something else that I learned. That that, you talk about also at the end of the book that you WanNa. See this fixed. I didn't know this was a thing. Acquitted conduct time added to the sentence of of a of somebody who testifies on their own behalf and If you do that, you're going to be able to explain this better than I can if you testify on. On Your own behalf and you're found guilty. They can say they can charge you with perjury on top of everything else saying that. If you were found guilty, you were obviously lying. Also if there's other charges that you're quitted of, but you're found guilty on some you can still be. You can still be sentenced for those charges upon which you were acquitted. My. The judge in my case, there's more to talk about about the judge. Knock and why he was so adamant. That I was convicted, but he tripled tripled by guideline range because of acquitted conduct matters for which the jury had found not guilty Oh my God but. This goes on every day every day hundreds of times a day, probably going when judges. Ed Time to a defendant's sentence based on chargers, for which they were found not guilty, because the judge said the ad, they found you not guilty, but. Kind of thank you were so. I'm GONNA add some time to it and Oh, by the way. You committed a couple of crimes years ago. You, know you you did serve your time in prison for that but I need some more time. Editor Centers for relevant conduct and oh by the and. You testified on your own behalf and the jury didn't believe you, so you are obviously lines, so that's perjury or you're trying to obstruct justice. I'm going to add some more time. We found A. You had a gun in your hand gun in your. In your nightstand it was licensed to you. It wasn't used in the commission of a crime. Nobody's ever. That you had any big you the gun ever, but I'm gonNA give you five more years. Forget you had a gun. Your House Oh my God, so they they just and but that's not the end of the story either. This one I have a chapter. My book which you know saving one Garcia. What Garcia was my bunk mate? He slept above me on the on the top bunk. And I asked him one day. I said you know what what what brought you here. And he said marijuana as tell me about it, and they say well I had to marijuana I got. I got caught in ninety, four, ninety, nine, and ninety, seven and ninety nine anyway so i. ask him to see his legal the legal documents. And there was this brief by the federal government. And they were arguing in the brief that he should be given twenty five years to life in prison. because. He was convicted in nineteen, ninety, four, and a half ounce of marijuana or more nervous, convicted of felony given probation. In nineteen, ninety-seven convicted of one half of one half ounce of marijuana are more had had given a felony given probation in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine. He was a wrapped up in they marijuana conspiracy. No amount of marijuana was charged by the government. But the judge sentenced him to twenty five years in prison. He served. One! Garcia served nineteen years in prison before I wrote a petition for clemency, which was granted and he got out. But, that's the kind of insane things that we do to people of Color. And it is, it is just. So, sad and sickening to see these young men. Who have been taken from their young children for? You know piddly drug charges. You know, yes, they the Baltimore, drug, charges. Now, there's another another guy and he's really wonderful. Decent human being zebras mark well and Markelle was. Asked him I. It took a long time for him to agree to talk to me about it, but. in the process is this guy who was. He was he was a black man African. American sixty was about six five. And He, he broke down started crying because he was telling me the story about his mother. And how? You know he was a kid, and his mother had issues I didn't go into what the issues were, but You know the electricity would be turned off the water be turned off and he. He saw opportunity to sell marijuana when he was like eleven years old and. so he went down to the street corner and Eventually was able to. Get some money to turn the electricity onto the water on, and and that's how it started, and his first charge was marijuana. The second charge I think was marijuana. Third Charge was the there was a In both of those who was put on probation, the third charge was a cocaine charge and Because, he was black. I assume that he was going to be making crack out of that. And so he was sentenced to twenty five years in prison and he served. Twenty three of those he went in when he was twenty three. I think he got got out last year. Just. Two young children when he wanted to. People don't think about they don't think about. Yeah, win this in this rush to judgment in this. You know for so long. We were caught up in this. Lock them up. Throw away the key mentality of the war on war on drugs worn on crime. It was a war on. Men and women of Color. And we just we. Prosecutors took to their job with with zest and they they were instructed by the Department of Justice to seek the harshest penalty. And they did. They locked up these young men. For decades taking them them away from their children, their wives their their. Spouses and destroying their family and no telling what they did to those kids by. You know and we just got to rethink and You. Know our our criminal justice laws and Bring some sense into it and we've got a ways a long ways to go anyway I hope to play a part in that and. That's part of the reason why I wrote. This book is I. Want to. I want people to read it. Understand it, so we have the credibility to go to Congress and argue for the changes that need to be made. To set things right, absolutely governor Siegelman Don. Siegelman is with US and again the new book is finally coming out this Tuesday stealing our democracy, how the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation, and it does, and we've gone through so much of your story, but we're still not done in you. Do Answer one of the burning questions. I had all along which was never answered to my satisfaction. And you answered it in the book, though I'm not satisfied, and that is. You were in prison you. You were prosecuted persecuted by the Bush administration. And then Barack Obama gets elected finally a Democrat and African American. He brings an Eric holder as attorney general. I certainly thought okay. There's going to be justice done here finally. They're gonNA. Look at this case and say Oh my God. The governor was framed. He was set up. He was railroad he was. This was a political persecution. They're going to do something about it. and. The one of the most heartbreaking lines in the book is. I'm probably not gonNA. Find it because okay. Oh, here! It is president. Obama, left the White House on January twentieth, two, thousand seventeen. I stayed in prison until February eighth twenty seventeen. The Obama. Administration did nothing to help you and I know it was not for lack of trying I, know I signed petitions and letters in You know as someone out here, saying this man has been railroaded. He's been persecuted. What happened people. Era Colder contacted Obama but eric holder had a connection with Karl. Rove, didn't he? He well I don't know his connection to Karl Rove. I do know that that. His law firm represented Karl Rove and represented. The are C- Republican National Committee of. And and There was you know there was a connection and there there. Are you know obviously connections between Karl Rove and. Eric holder and President Obama. the, the thing that bothers me about this is that. They they had they had to know what was going on. There was no it was no secret what had happened to me one hundred and thirteen. Hundred Thirteen state attorneys general and a number of governors who, around the country, joined in tried to get the attention of the Obama Administration tried to get the attention of Eric holder. And while they were of? Busy exonerating Ted Stevens Republican senator from Alaska which should have they should have dun rite of. For prosecutorial misconduct. My case was riddled with far more, prosecutorial, more serious, prosecutorial misconduct misconduct, but Nothing was done. There was one person at the Department of Justice. David Margolis who was there when Eric holder I joined with the justice system. The criminal justice I mean the Department of Justice. After. He got out of Law School And you know, there's been speculation that he that he just depended on David Margolis. For everything Margolis was the one who approved of this bogus charge back in two thousand and four that was thrown out of court after. Lesson. You know twelve hours. The judge said it was the most unfounded criminal case. It ever presided over and then. David Margolis approved of all of the charges in two thousand and six, for which the jury found me not guilty. All of the acquitted conduct was approved by David Margolis. David Margolis fired the. The? Department of Justice. Whistleblower, tomorrow Grimes Paralegal who said she watched. A witness was coached and cajoled and threatened. Pressure to say things that he clearly didn't remember. So margolis was up to his neck in that, but he was also up to his neck in the US attorney firing scandal, he had worked with the White House the Bush Whitehouse to fire and replace those those us. Attorneys a higher remember Dick Durbin and Sheldon Whitehouse. Getting very upset with David Margolis but again. You know while they reprimanded him. Nothing nothing was. But he was up to his eyebrows in my case, and because of that, he was probably telling Eric holder. No, we don't WanNa do that. It's going to make the Department of Justice. Look bad if we if we open this. Clear the worms, wow! Did you ever hear from Obama anybody in the administration about why? They ignored your your case why there was no pardon or clemency or anything? No nothing. BELIEVABLE JUST UNBELIEVABLE! You mentioned John Conyers, who was always in your in your court. Who was? Trying to help you was anybody else in the Democratic Party stepping out to help you. Well there were a number of Congressmen who were on the House. Judiciary Committee. Some of whom are still there. And I a good relationship with them, but Yeah I, mean we had? You know. What we heard favorable things from from of course from steady hardy was a big supporter at John, Lewis and town. Harry Reid profess that he was going to try to help and. we heard the same thing feedback from chuck. Schumer of and Terry McAuliffe said that he was going to try to help, but. You would think that with all those people trying to help that something would have. Something would have happened. You know. A couple other things I wanNA point out is when you went back for the second trial on the appeal. The jury was hung for weeks. The judge that same judge fuller who had other problems after your case was in the news. His instructions to the jury were very one sided. And then when they came back and said we can't come to. You had a couple of people who were conflict of interest on people in the jury, who there was evidence that they were talking with the prosecution. There was all kinds of stuff wrong with this, but the judge kept admonishing. This jury was sequestered. who had been away from home for weeks that you will stay here? He said I've got nothing better to do. I'll stay here until Christmas if I have to and made them come back with a verdict. This is unheard of, isn't it? Was it? It was something that shocked me when I heard him. He said Look I've been appointed to life. I can keep your next year if I want to bring, said these are his words, he said, bring me a verdict or a partial verdict. and to me when you say verdict to a jury they made. That means a guilty verdict that. Acquitted him. So, yeah, he stepped over the line, but He and I had had political conflicts going back to nineteen I mean every election. He was on the other side. He was on the Republican. Executive Committe at he. He opposed MY A. Ballot Initiative to give college. Free College Education to kids. And that was the heart of my. You know of of the bribery. Charge was a contribution to the education lottery referendum, so he should have recused. He didn't recuse. As you pointed out and as In the documentary, atticus versus the architects. Which is free on Amazon came by well. Okay I'll put a link to it. Out of CUS VERSUS THE ARCHITECT The a political assassination Don siegelman. But this judge. Is just a bad bad person. Horrible. I I Y filed for divorce for abuse, and they also alleged that he was addicted to alcohol drugs during the time of my trial. And then. His. The. Anyway is. Wife called the cops and there was nine one one audio of him beating her. which we all I this was while I was at America. I remember very clearly in this is the judge. In the Siegelman case, so then you had a perfect. Appeal and you, did you? You had the case ready to go to Supreme Court. And they we went. We went to the Supreme Court three times, but. But I WANNA finish judge fuller. So. This bothers me, too. Because, this is another. Abuse of power. So here here is this judge? Who has viciously beaten his wife with glass broken whiskey all over the place. She's caught. She's pull chunks of her hair out. He's hit her. He's kicked her. there. So, there's an investigation by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. The investigation is set to something called the United States judicial, conference Is made up of the every chief judge from all of the different circuits and a few of the district court judges were around the country. They set. What is an indictment? To John Bainer. who was then speaker of the House saying that they were certifying that they had substantial? That judge fuller, judge, Mark Everett Fuller. Had beaten his severely beaten his wife violently. At least eight times. Before this incident at the Ritz Carlton in, ATLANTA! Now. They said he had perjured himself before federal investigators that he had lied to federal investigators. How? We have seen. Other people lie to federal investigators. Charged with a client right if if if the average man or woman. was charged with. Violently beating. His spouse is, why? They would be charged with several different felonies and sentenced to prison. Yup, the George Fuller was given A. Energy Anger Management Course. La Allowed to retire with full benefits, and that's not the end of the story about George Fuller. Just one more that I'll I'll drop jokes fuller, but he had had a sideline business. He was not a judge, but he was a defense contractor. Had A company called dossier. Say the Asian. Recently sold it for two billion dollars Oh. My God, but during during the trial. He had applied for and a hundred seventy four million dollar a year contract with the. United States. Air Force. And after the trial. It was awarded to Dasa the Asian to judge Fuller's company on. One, hundred seventy four million dollars each year for ten years renewable, and he sold the company two billion dollars. So. Anyway. That's also brought out in the documentary. Yes, and I will put a link to it on Amazon. The documentary abacus versus the architect Don Siegelman this has cost you everything you you. You know you worked in your public servant. You worked in government. Any retirement savings our savings. You had went to pay for your legal defense so when you got out of. Prison your wife had medical issues from a horrific car accident. You suffered before you went to jail and your kids. You know you talked about the effect. Being imprisoned has on families. Your kids were young. They were what eleven fourteen when this all started. And now they're adults. Your son went to law school, so he could work on your case I mean this. This has derailed your entire life. And as we mentioned before it sounds through everything all the issues with Judge Fuller, and the the his jury instructions and everything else that you had a perfect case for appeal, and you did go to the supreme. Court and you were waiting for them to take the case. They just said No. We're not going to hear it. It's the what. I yeah, we appeal three times and the the the first time we appealed it was based on. That initial finding by the three judge panel. That there were substantial questions of law and fact that would likely result in reversal and so the Supreme Court. Is that point? Sent the case back to the eleventh circuit. Saying? Take another look at this based on the. The actual definition of bribery which is. Not Not involving campaign contribution, but where there are, there's a briefcase of money where there's some self-enrichment scheme and the eleventh circuit said No. We still think that settlement is guilty, so we're GONNA lead. Let the convictions stand. We took the issue of acquitted conduct up to the Supreme Court as well. and that was that was. Denied. And then we saw a trial, we were asking for discovery because we knew that we had. Evidence that. The lead prosecutor was emailing my Republican opponents campaign manager. Giving them updates on the investigation. So, we thought if if there was A. There was one email that the united. States. Department of Justice had the probably were others, and they were probably linked called, roved prosecution, and of course. Our request for discovery was denied so anxious for. Those Call Roe v by also surface at some point because I'm sure that we would find his fingerprints all over my case, but now you're telling us that that that Donald trump the orange menace is trying to make nice with Karl. Rove so maybe can use some of his dirty tricks. In the two thousand twenty election, we know that that trump will stoop to nothing to. Do know no boundaries when it comes to trying to do whatever he needs to do to stay in office. Because I think he knows that the minute he's a civilian again. He should be arrested and sent to jail. He would if if there was justice in this country. What would hopefully they'll build chain him to Mnuchin to. Five hundred billion dollars to their friends and not. Telling us out offering any kind of public accountability. This is why they got rid of all of the Inspector General's. Yeah They didn't want any report coming out on how they were going to know. And Yeah I'm just awful, and it seems like the trump administration is following that Bush playbook I mean he even brought in someone to do away with anyone in the administration, who is not suitably pro-trump, enough This is not how America is supposed to be Don Siegelman. I'm telling you the the book. Just broke my heart, even though I knew the story. I knew what happened reading it again in this one you know. Volume was just heartbreaking because I see in you. What what? We could've been what we could have had, and there's no reason for this and the fact that the Democratic Party did nothing to come to. Your defense sours me on them even more obviously I have no. No love lost for the Republicans and I'm not even going I'm just really disappointed that we don't have a party that we can rely on to stand up for the rule of law, and for the really good people. We have who are working hard for the people of this country. Well Amen. That's all I can say to that go. You you have a phenomenal of putting things and. So, sometimes. You know the less said the better. Let you be my spokesperson I. Gotcha and I I wish I could I'd scream from the rafters and I do, and I have a you know I'm so. Appreciative to have this opportunity to speak with you about this again. I've followed your case all these years. We spoke a couple of times and I spoke with Dana while you were imprisoned as well and. I, just my heart goes out to you and your family for what you've been put through. This should happen to nobody. Nobody in this country ever and yet it does. The abuse of power that happened to me happened. In the in the in the in the halls of power in in. The Court House what happened to. Two more George Floyd and Eric Gardner and others happens on the streets of America every day, and you know, and it is we we'd. Know again the point of my book is that we we. You know George Floyd paid the ultimate price. Now it is up to us as citizens to create new policies, new politics and new laws to protect the most vulnerable. From abuses of power by police prosecutors are presidents. Without a doubt, the book stealing our democracy is officially out this Tuesday. Do yourself a favor by it. Read it share it. Everybody needs to know this story and you're right governor. Siegelman, it's not just about you, but it is about you because the the Republicans and Karl Rove saw somebody who was. A really good governor who was beloved by the people from both parties. Who had you know? Who who could have brought wonderful things to this nation, and they went after you for precisely those reasons, and this should never happen again, and what kills me is that? You know nobody came to your rescue. Nobody is coming to our rescue right now. That's why we have to do it. We all must stay out in the streets and protests for what's right and most importantly we need to vote. We need to get this criminal out of office, but all our problems will not then be solved because Joe Biden. I'm sorry is not. A return to the Obama Administration will not fix these things. The Obama Administration led us down on your behalf as well and we need. We need to do better than that. We need to do better as a nation. We need to do better as a party. We need to do better. Well let me let me be closed by saying saying this if if we're going to end systemic racism. if we're going to heal this country. Then we we've got to see transformative changes in our education economic healthcare in criminal justice systems and That means. In my judgment. Our president. Our next president has to see that every child regardless of where they're born into whom the color of their skin, their economic status whether they're immigrants are whether they are citizens that every child is able to reach their God, given potential through education that means two things. One, we've got to have free early learning for every child. And secondly we've got to offer free higher education for every student who stays in school stays out of trouble and makes certain grades. They don't have to go to college, but they can get higher. Education are training, so they can get a better job or they can go on to be an engineer. To fix the economic system. We've got to have more and better jobs not to have you know. NEW NEW uses for renewable energy to combat climate crisis. We've got to. We've got to create jobs. For All. These people who have been. Displaced by krona virus. There are many jobs that this country needs done that. The country needs to pay for in that as we've got to have a president, who is going to face up to the fact that it is wrong when one percent on fifty percent of the wealth of three families, rather fifty percent of the wealth and one percent ninety two percent. And when when large companies pay no taxes at all, so we've got to have a president who is going to fix our tax system for for decades? We've been told that it's the immigrants in. It's the welfare. Mothers is the people on government programs that are dragging down the middle class. Taxpayers know is some middle class taxpayers that are footing the bill for the one percent, so we've got to reverse that in our next president has addressed this issue, and then we live in the richest country in the world, and no one should go to bed. Hungry homeless without healthcare healthcare must be a right for every American and you know it doesn't matter whether you are. Know whether you're poor whether you've got mental or physical disabilities or whether you are in prison. You know this country is big enough and strong enough to take care of you, so we we need to make some changes and we can do it. We can, if we work hard enough and long enough in this for this election in two thousand and twenty, if if the people on the streets will. Will, after they protest will will come back and we'll work if they will find a candidate. A local candidate or steak, candidate or presidential candidate in whom they believe in trust in worked for them and help them get elected. We can change the way things happened in this country. If we elect a good mayor, they will appoint a police chief. If we elect a good governor, they will appoint a good prison commissioner. If we elect good president, they will appoint good US attorneys judges, but it is up to us as citizens to to make this kind of change happen. We can make this country what it should be, but you know. We just gotTA DIG in and. We gotta do it. Governor Don Siegelman thank you so much on behalf of my listeners because I don't really speak for more people, but number one I. Thank you for all the work you've done and for everything you stand for and number two. I apologize for letting you down. Because what happened to you should never have happened, and we should have been able to do something about it. Instead we stood by feeling helpless for years, and you served a very long prison sentence for doing nothing wrong and. And that's a travesty of everybody needs to read this book and share. It I. Hope Your I hope you're doing a lot of press I hope every talk show. Has You on because people need to know your story and we need to make sure that in this case history does not repeat itself Don Siegelman you're you're at national treasure and I? Thank you I I'm I'm I'm so honored that you chose to speak with us about this and spent so much time to go through what happened? The goal, thank you. I look forward to listening to your program watching your youtube. The next opportunity thank you so much and we will talk again. Please stay in touch. Our will. Thank. You Take Care bye-bye. and with that we're done Don Siegelman what what a what a treat what a pleasure he is and just think of. What was possible if he had not been the target of Karl Rove and the Bush administration just think where we'd be today if Don Siegelman had run for president in two thousand four. I think about it often. all right with that. We come to the end of another week up Monday. We've got another music Monday. Program with a wonderful artist named Jonathan Brooke, so we'll do our usual news and information at the beginning, and then yeah, we will enjoy some music because we need a break from a lot of this craziness that. Goes on in our world. Thank you for listening everyone. Thanks for sticking around for the overtime I think you'll agree. It was worth it today. have a great weekend. I will see you back here on Monday Thank you again for listening. Piece out everyone. By

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Stealing Our Democracy with Former Gov. Don Siegelman

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Stealing Our Democracy with Former Gov. Don Siegelman

"Stealing our democracy political assassination of a governor will today we are honored to have on truth be told former governor of Obama the last Democratic governor to ever be elected to governor of Alabama. Yes we have don Siegelman who was removed from office on charges of bribery and obstruction of justice and before the removal he was the only person to ever have held the state's top four offices. Secretary State Attorney General Lieutenant Governor and then the governor former governor siegelman served a total of five years in federal prison before being released in February of two thousand seventeen. Today we're going to dive into his newly released book dealing our democracy. How political assassination of a governor threatens. Our nation was governor Siegelman. A political target by the Republican Party. Will today. We're going to find out and we're excited to have him and bring the latest. I'm Tony Suite with Captain Ron. You're listening to truth. Be told right here live. Please welcome to the truth. Be told studios former governor Don siegelman areas right well. We're excited to have you here because we like to get into those controversial topics and and sometimes political Movements and And we we sometimes get in trouble with them but we don't care because we have a good time. We have a good time but You have a new book coming out that we want to talk about And it's called stealing our democracy and Before we get into the book I'm GonNa find out I mean leading up to your removal. There is a lot of stuff going on and I I just want to find out. How when did the investigation began on you and how did START Because a lot of people it's been a while since this happened. So they want. Maybe we can get caught up on on that ancient history except it's not because the abuse of power that brought me down is going on today and you it's it. This is the abuse of power is not limited to Republicans and I want to make that clear. Anyone who holds power can abuse it and it so happened that I was a target of called rose or claiming cronies in Alabama. But let me let me. Just go back and refresh people's memory or please inform your your listeners and viewers. I had been elected. Governor was defeated Republican incumbent to be elected in nineteen ninety eight took office in nineteen ninety nine January in March Just some six weeks after taking office and investigation was started by Koros client State Attorney General. It's not just my word that Rove was involved in my prosecution. We have sworn testimony from a Republican lawyer who was hired by opponent to do negative research on. She came forward toiling remorse or guilt to the House Judiciary Committee and gave them a sworn statement. She was on a telephone conversation with the husband of my prosecutor when he said that he had spoken to. Carl Carl had gotten the Department of Justice to pursue me but I can get into other details later but the the question would be. Why would he care right? Why would that would be my question? Well the Kiplinger Letter Business Journal. Ed reported on March of two thousand and one that I was likely darkhorse candidate for the Democratic nomination in two thousand four saying that I was in a position to carry the south. It gives the Democrats the best chance they had against George W Bush. The famous Jimmy Carter emerged from the South and Bill Clinton after him. It wasn't just Carlos client started the it was coal rose business partner in Alabama this wife who was appointed. Us Attorney by George W Bush who kicked a federal investigation into high gear. It was call rose bag man Jack Abramov and three of Koros College. Republican buddies has the slow tight group that he hung around with during those days and all the way through. During Bush process he became involved in orchestrating. My Defeat Jack. Abramov funneled some twenty million dollars of Indian casino money from the Mississippi Choctaw Indians in Alabama to defeat me. He Jack Abramov along with Mike. Scanlon slider convicted of a crime of a bilking descendants. Out of this money Ralph Reed who claim to be the president of something called the Christian Coalition Operating Out of Georgia and a guy named Grover Norquist who operates as a nonprofit today called Americans for tax reform but those those four people all French of orchestrated the a photo laying the laundering of twenty million dollars of Indian casino money into Alabama to defeat. Excuse me to defeat me engine. Defeat a proposal that I had on the table all the Alabama education lottery which would have provided free college education and Early Childhood. Learning to all of Alabama's over there was there were other people other whistleblowers who came forward. Later in the course of this My Best Gatien and after the trial Republican lawyer for the public the National Committee gave sworn testimony that he has been part of a discussion with a State Democratic Party chairman and that they were going to use the Department of Justice to bring me down to win the election I'd like to go back at some point to cover it more depth. What happened in he's housing? And the and the the the trials but I finished but I wanNA give guys chance. Ask Ask a question if he wants well. The first the first thing is going I mean going into politics. You know it's a dirty game. I mean most people that they we hear about how you know. I want to get into politics. I WANNA I WANNA change the world. I WanNa make it a better place. But then you see a lot of these people get into politics and they go into to Washington to stay government whatever even local and it somehow seems to. They seem to be corrupted very quickly both sides and or at least a change in personality. How soon of you getting into politics that you noticed a lot of corruption in around you? I mean ultimately you. You were accused in charge and sent to prison for it. When did you notice that politics was dirty or worse than your or worse than we all know? It is just as worse than you when you were describing. How people feel some people when they jump into politics right of I two wanted to add still do what to change. Thanks to make things better for people and that's why I chose public service and has a Avenue to to do that right. That did that successfully as two terms as secretary of state as Al Alabama's attorney general. The Governor Governor may change this voting laws as secretary of state made it easier for people to to register vote as attorney general. Crackdown on on a drug dealers drunk drivers because my wife and I were nearly killed or she was nearly killed by drunk driver and made changes in Alabama's healthcare laws as the tenant governor governor brought in five automobile plants Honda Toyota Mercedes Hyundai a second Honda plant and we built six hundred new bridges and had the largest road. Construction project started over. One thousand is school construction projects to get kids out of last train to get a minute to safe learning environments but it was it was those kinds of activities that that brought me into the national spotlight has a a person who can emerge from the south as a possible challenger to Joyce W Bush in California believe and. You're you're familiar with Davis. Oh Yeah for sure is just interesting that that call. Rove had a conversation with Enron President before the rolling blackouts for game widely known involved Chain people were recruited to work with him. Ralph Reed and grover Norquist's and both of them were involved in the demise of Gray Davis Ray Davis at the time was the lead a prospect for the Democratic nomination. In two thousand four. I was I. Was You hoping that I buy by getting into some of the southern primaries I could that I could be on? The ticket does the as his vice presidential running mate. We Gray Davis and I had a good relationship so I had these thoughts that if performed well as southerner that There would be a place for me at least for consideration on the as the swapping and so. I think that you know talk about that. Brought the Republicans position where they tell like this. I'm not throwing a net around all the Republicans this a talking about Karl Rove and a few a handful of other people right right. There was a republican state attorney general from Arizona at Grant Wood was interviewed by Scott Pelley Hill. Sixty minutes and great woods was the one of the CO chairman for Senator John. Mccain's two thousand presidential race. And he said Grant Wood's Republican said that Don settlement was the one Democrat that Republicans couldn't beat Sarah Square so they targeted targeted him with the prosecution now. They're they're three people featured on the back cover of my book. Warned is Donald Trump won his jeff sessions and the other is Karl Rove and the. There's a there's a reason for that and the reason for Donald Trump being there because the abuse of power that brought me down is also going on today. The reason my jeff sessions's on there is because Jeff sessions was also involved. It was not it was not the FBI that investigated bay. It was jeff sessions retired. Fbi Agents Jeff sessions had been the US attorney in the southern district of Alabama before he entered state politics as attorney general the US senator and it was at a time when Jeff sessions was interested in running against me for governor that that his retired agents were employees to investigate me and build a case against me now backing up to a year of two thousand and more on when the kiplinger letter said that I was a dark horse candidate for the Democratic nomination in thousand a two faced reelection a headache a republican congressman from Alabama running. I wasn't the slightest bit inside the Political bowls were indicating that I would. I was going to win reelection and we went into the election. Feeling confident mentioned that I wrote in five automobile. Plants should put a lot of people to work in Alabama. But what happened that night of the election? Actually one singing house. Abc ABC all national networks called the election for Don Siegelman. The election was closed it was over the lice. Returned off in the courthouses. Everybody was sent home and within four minutes within four minutes after the polls closed in a southern Alabama County Baldwin County Republican Control County. Six thousand votes simply disappeared they reposted the total subtracting six thousand nine which through the election. Jim My pounded. It's a close election ever in Alabama. There was that was the closest election ever in Alabama for that. Yeah well a what happened demonstrates my point further that the election was stolen. I'm is. It's easy to say that your election was stolen. But when six thousand votes or simply subtracted from the total of the talk personnel on the ballot the governor. You would expect that some some votes would be changed in down ballot races for Lieutenant Governor State Treasurer Auditor Congress. Us Senate not one. Single vote changed in any other race. Only six thousand disappeared before I could get to Baldwin County the next morning for a hand recount of the place the one precinct where those votes disappeared call. Rose client state attorney. General sees the ballots took them to Montgomery legally certified my opponent as the winter war which then put us in a catch twenty two in Alabama. You can't challenge at election unless you can prove to adjudge that. There were enough illegal. Votes cast or legal votes counted to make a difference in the outcome. Well because the attorney general call rose client had the balance and good let anybody see them or count them. I could not get a recount so announced that. Okay guys. You got me on this one. But I'M GONNA come back and run again in two thousand six and win this election and get on with building the state at that point. Jeff sessions retired agents. Were put into gear. They built the case. They filed the case in Federal Gordon Northern District of Alabama. The federal judge the first day of the trial. So this is the most unfounded criminal case over which I've ever presented him in my twenty nine years and seven months on the badge. The government dismissed the case with prejudice within just days after my formal announcement that I was going to run again in two thousand six. A second indictment was released that resulted in the trial in two thousand six. I WanNa make something clear here to about Donald Trump. Bang on the back cover. And I'd like to know so. Think about Rob Begovic militarising. The governor together villain away was on tape. Recorded trying to make deals to swap favors official action for things that would benefit him personally. In case I was not accused of taking a single penny the contribution the one contribution that sent me to prison was a contribution to not Alabama education lottery proposal a ballot referendum. That was being posed by jacked Abramov and the Mississippi choctaw Indians funnel twenty million dollars illegally entered the state. I raised money legallais. Five hundred thousand dollars to promote the passage of the lottery which would have sent against the college for free and provided universal early learning for all Alabama skits. There was. There was no evidence of any who had broke much less and express one as in Begovic guys. And if you if you look at the allegations of Donald Trump's in eastland their allegations that and we heard tape recordings of Donald trump saying to the president of Ukraine. Basically you can get this money but I wanted investigation you. There's a big difference between what's made a person and and the allegations against Donald Trump. And what sent Rod Begovic to person? Selling my there was no quid. Pro Quo no personal benefit idea point. That was official action. I did appoint a fortune five hundred CEO to a back to a board on which she had served for twelve years appointed by three previous governors Republicans and Democrats a nonpaying board. Yes there was official action. I did appoint this guy contributor to the same board on which is served for twelve years but the facts and circumstances surrounding not gay so far different from others. My point is I'm giving you the background of of of how the Justice Department and be manipulated to prosecute someone if they want to bring them down. Department of Justice under Karl Rove was weaponized to go after Democrats and to basically to leave. Republicans in fact he fired seven Republican. Us attorneys they negotiate wrote a book blurred back from my book. IF I had seven Republicans. Us attorneys because they wouldn't take all rose dirty work and then they promoted people like those prosecuted me And rewarded them with right so anyway. There's a big difference between by case and others the coheres abuse of power whether it's Democrat or Republican has got to come to an end. And if you don't believe that Donald Trump can can manipulate the department of Justice for Olympic Land. Look at look at the facts. He fired sally. Yates James Comey fired. Andrew McCabe he hired Jeff Sessions. Far Jeff sessions when he wouldn't you do what trump wanted him today with the Department of Justice and hired bill law. He does so clearly. The Department of Justice can't be shaped for a political outcome. Not that's not to say. The Donald Trump has been abusing his power in the sense of using it to prosecute Democrats but it is to say that it can be manipulated. Can Be abused and Inaba lay out a plan where we can occur. Tail the abuse of Power. Not just for political prosecutions. But for anybody I think about it. If they can bring a governor down and I had the resources to fight I have had people who were willing to contribute to my legal defense lawyers. Lots of them for decades But if they can do this to a sitting governor what can they do to an unemployed steelworker petition housewife the mechanic down the street? What can what can they do to a woman of color if they want to put them there for half ounce of marijuana more well let me ask you. This actually brings your question. You say you've outlined in your book but if you're saying that they can take down a governor. How the hell just does everyday folk. How are we gonNA make a difference? How do I mean we vote people in that? We hope that can make a difference better as you can see if they don't like these people they're going to take them out. I mean I'm just going to throw out there with Katie Hill. You know here in California. She had some nude pictures or something like that. And she instantly resigned valley and Simi Valley. So it's how how to an and I'm not talking about just Democrats I'm talking about. Even Republicans are matter any party Randy Party. It's it's if they can take down a governor and even a senator or I mean we've seen senators rea resigned due to allegations and You mean look at Nixon. You know getting you know yes he? He broke the law. But it's like they got him out to he resigned. How do we just everyday people? Americans stop this corruption. How can we do that? I don't have I don't have an answer right. Everything right right I I serve. I served time in prison. Beginning thousand seven And I met a lot of people and talk to a lot of people helped a lot of paper wrote a lot of petitions and briefs and did what I could to help those that I felt had been wrongly accused or convicted. And what I learned was that this was a federal prison. What I'm talking about is federal but it's also applicability to state prosecutors as well. The federal government gets nine ninety nine percent of all of the indictments. They see ninety. Nine percents is a pretty good record. Almost almost flawless which raises the question in the world. Do they do that? Ninety seven percent of the people who are indicted plead guilty about sixty seven percent of them before they even got an attorney. The government has a phenomenal record of sending people to prison. And but the reason that it's happening is because has one of your judges The the Chief Judge of the Circuit Court of Appeals Alex. Kozinski said prosecute the withholding the withholding on the scope. Patry evidence by prosecutors. Is Epidemic the Prosecutors in the secrecy of a grand jury can present false evidence. False testimony with withhold exculpatory. Evidence evidence. Tim Free a target With with with impunity. They did this because there is no judge present and there is no lawyer for the for the target of the grand jury president to to object to the testimony or to object to the production of evidence. Now if you're in a civil deposition and a lawyer presents a question that shouldn't be asked or trials introduce evidence that shouldn't be introduced. The lawyer for the defendant has an opportunity to judge and a magistrate judge decides whether or not that evidence or testimony should be love in what should happen in grand. Juries is that the target should be able to have a lawyer present to object to false testimony or to object misleading evidence And that those objections should be heard and decided by a judge before the grand jury acts on them. It is indisputable that a grand jury is a critical point of a credit of a criminal proceeding. It does no good that our our laws require a defendant to have an attorney if they've already been indicted and ninety seven percent of them have already pled guilty for a lawyer to have any impact on behalf of those who are innocent or he should not be charged in the grand jury setting. And you know there's so many table who well. I'm just talking about myself me. I wouldn't have been indicted if I had had a lawyer. Present in my grand jury of the two lawyers that presenting evidence. One of them was his name. Is Matt Hart? The Department of Justice itself released a report that was published by the project on governmental oversight of December fourteenth. Two Thousand Fifteen. The government itself Department of Justice itself it mid that in my case they had evidence that the lead prosecutor he was pushing for my investigation and prosecution was in email communication with Republican opponents campaign manager. Now let's back up. Pill Hill was managing Republican opponents campaign. It was the husband of the of the. Us Attorney Call Rose best friend. His business partner in Alabama is was a guy named Billy Canary. They both were in the Bush quayle campaign without failed in nineteen. Ninety-two they both came. Alabama Karl Rove. Billy Canary Married girl. Smell the rose set up shop on Rosemary Beach and on the Gulf Coast Billy. Canary settled him his wife and and Montgomery they worked together to take over political campaigns in Alabama. One of the campaigns eventually was the State Attorney General Karl Rove Not. My point is the. Us Attorney is was connected to rove the State Attorney General was his client. The lead prosecutor was who is seeking investigation was email communication with my Republican opponents campaign manager and I was brought to trial one month before my reelection in the courtroom. Where the a the wife of Colorado's best friend and the campaign manager my opponent was the prosecutor. Ron said he wanted to act as well. I mean my thing is. You're when you wrote this book. I mean you must have a lot of a lot of information that you wanted to put it in this book and and was there some things in the book that are that. You didn't put the book that you wanted to. That may be COULDA got feedback or too sensitive to sensitive that you didn't want to share with the public or you wanted to share but you might have got you in trouble in the long run. I well I did write a book. I had may have plenty of time to write five minutes longer. Wrote a longer book. It was about six hundred forty pages but when I got out of a shopped it around to some literary agents. Say all agreed. That was a good story but needed to be cut so after got out of prison in February of two thousand seventeen. I started kind to compress this six hundred and forty page. Mammoth memoir into what some described as a John Grisham thriller because it has as many twists and turns and unbelievable actions but in politics is anybody could ever imagine but yeah I short but no. I didn't leave out anything that that I that I would have gotten anybody in trouble. The people I'm talking about or alive and well Bill Bill. Fire Koros client whom? I'm saying illegally seized illegally certified the vote. It costs me my election in two thousand and two is seated on the eleventh circuit. Court of Appeals. Now aren't you afraid that they would come after you for right I can? I can come after me but they can't they you know it's hard it's hard for for somebody to file a civil damages if you tell them the truth and I'm not afraid of anything that sends monk it's documented. It's got I think about forty pages of legal notes and they want to file a lawsuit. I'd be happy to face them and put them under oath and ask them questions. And I don't think that's going to happen. Five years is a long time to set in reflect on your life. You know decisions you make and even just What other people have done toward you? You know some people can get bitter some people. Can you know look for revenge and some people can find peace in in those five years? What was your your take on your own reflection in those five years besides writing this book. I mean it sounds like a great book. I haven't had a chance to read it because it's not out yet but What was your take on your own life and what you WANNA do Once now that you're out what's what's your. What's your goal to give you a couple of examples. I'm GonNa about your question. We run out of town. We won't we won't the If I if I told you that the president of the United States Senate his lawyer into the Supreme Court and argue that. Us citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be framed. That would probably shock you. Well that's exactly what President Obama did on January the fourth two thousand ten his lawyer went to the Supreme Court and argue that. Us citizens don't ever right not to be framed. Don't do not have a constitutional right not to be fine. The second thing that I would mention that a lot of people don't know is your listeners. They probably don't know that a judge can add years to a person. Senate's prison sentence for matters that the jury found that person not guilty. A jury finds him not guilty but the judge can add years to a person sentence for those matters for which the jury found the defendant. Not Guilty in my case the federal judge tripled triple by God line rage for matters for which I was acquitted and the final thing is. I mentioned that ninety. Seven percent of the people plead guilty the three percent. They go to trial if they testify on their own behalf and the jury finds him guilty. Anyway the judge figures well. They must've lied because the jury found him guilty. Therefore I'm going to add a perjury charge or an obstruction of justice charge to the half ounce of marijuana whatever was convicted at right over and over and over again so when. I sold these things recurring. Newman I heard stories about false. Evidence being presented or exculpatory evidence. Not being allowed. I realized that if if you believe that everything has a purpose or if you believe that in every situation one should look for a reason or a purpose for one being in that situation. I felt like God was telling me. Okay Don. You've seen what's wrong with it. You've seen what's wrong with the criminal justice system? Now go fix so. That is my quest. Now you know running. This book is not about me. This is this is about democracy. This is about preserving protecting our freedoms this is about protecting those are more vulnerable in society. They don't have the resources to fight back. So what I WANNA do is to balance the scales of justice and to do that to make the changes in the criminal justice system that will protect the innocent I've got to have credibility to do that. And that's why I'm asking people to preorder this book. Go to Amazon. Hold on Donaldson that going to be tough for you. I got all these different charges that you were charged with. I know you're acquitted on twenty five counts and this and that is going to be tough for you to come from that position. Yeah exactly that's why it's important that this not be read and and be read. Broadly so that people will understand that criminal. Justice system is out of balance. There was a guy named one Garcia After Obama started giving out pardons for people who had been convicted of marijuana. I want around and I was asking some of these guys. What was your charge? One Garcia had been charged in nineteen ninety seven but the F. Elsa Marijuana even given a felony but put on probation a nine hundred ninety nine it was same thing actually nineteen ninety four ninety seven and ninety nine years convicted again on a marijuana charge. No amount but he was. He was careered. Elvis give him twenty five years for those because of the team prior felonies of one half of marijuana or more he was able to get out after nineteen years but the fact that somebody was would be sent to prison for that long one for marijuana tea for a half house. Marijuana more is insane but we find it rampant across the country and you know people deserve a fair trial and in order to get a fair trial. They've got to have a Scott to be a balanced approach to a grand jury. Right now. Prosecutors are immune from civil liability. No matter what they do in the grand jury they can percents false evidence. They can withhold exculpatory evidence. They cannot be sued civilly because of the federal towards claims that grants them immunity. So we need to repeal the immunity in the Federal Torch claims so that prosecutors can be held civilly at least civilly responsible for sending. You're taking somebody's life away. And then secondly we need every every interview with every witness recorded and those recordings turned over to the defense before the trial in my case the one guy that testified for the government had been interviewed for four years he had been interviewed according to sixty metals over seventy seven zero seventy times and he had been made to write and rewrite is proposed testimony over and over until he got his strike meaning until he got his answers the way the prosecution wanted and so we we need to have those Those interviews recorded and those recordings turned over to the defense so that we can ensure that people have a fair shake that the scales balanced so they have a fair shot. Well we only have just a few minutes left and I mean as you know in everybody sees. There's such a division in America right now. I mean I think there always has been kissed. There seems to be more visible now and you know in Washington. We see it all the time in the state houses. We see it all the time. Is it really in in politics? Is it really the division that badges for the the the Pursuit of power For the party's itself because it just it's something just doesn't seem right to me when it comes to we always say we're Americans first but yet it seems like we're so divided I mean I forget the religions. Forget all this other stuff but is it just mostly power when it comes to politics itself? It really makes no sense. You're you're exactly right. There there is absolutely no reason for the party's political parties to be so dug in and so unwilling to work together to compromise in. What would be the best interest of the people of the country right baby? We saw a little of that in this Relief package that was passed. But there's so many other issues that can be solved if people would only as you said but but become American stores in the interest of American rights before of whatever else it is now part of it of course is driven by Your Campaign. Contributions and young people seeking reelection in worried about. Were they going to get the money to run? These expensive campaigns on on television campaigns amount of money that we spend is obscene. It forecloses most average people from entering into politics And you know I'm I'm not one for big government of not one for normally for am not even sure this work but you know having a public funded campaign but if there was a way to eliminate or restrict the amount of money we've seen citizens united you're the top spend blowing off for that so I'm not sure where we are or how we can get back to the proposition that you propose that members of both political parties ought to consider themselves Americans first and do what's in the best interest of the country into that well we we are honored to have you on the show People please go to STEALING OUR DEMOCRACY DOT COM. You can Check out the website. Go to Amazon preorder June sixteenth. The this Book is going to be released and government Governor SIEGELMAN IS GONNA be I'm sure going to be doing a lot of tours and and Interviews and and we hope and wish you. Good luck with everything and pleased. You know you're open invitation to come back and visit us and if you ever in Los Angeles please stop into the studio eleven books after James. Six states please. Please stop in and but All right well thank you guys so much for tuning in. We always appreciate you supporting us. Subscribing to our channel Lee Review. If it's only if it's bad about Captain Ron and we'd love to hear those and Go visit our website. Truth BE TOLD WORLDWIDE DOT COM. Check out oliver upcoming guest We have amazing guests coming up because we have Contact on a desert fingers crossed. They don't cancel that but Governor thank you so much for being on the show well all of your listeners. Start taking good care of themselves. They're they're elderly France and and just be careful. Take care until next time. I'm Tony Suite with Captain Ron. This truth be told.

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20200522 Nicole Sandler Show - How Democrats Can Win- Advice from a Former Progressive Governor

The Nicole Sandler Show

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20200522 Nicole Sandler Show - How Democrats Can Win- Advice from a Former Progressive Governor

"Oh the following program contains graphic material including offensive language discretion advised the Nicole Sandler Joe Thorny daily and that could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey Do the music venue here beneath my boys is from broadcast. Sound Library that I paid for an Hamlin receipts so that your copy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole Friday. Oh so happy it's Friday Welcome to it. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to live at Nicole Sandler Dot com and on Youtube and on facebook live. I believe in I think. Even on periscope Hopefully some of the GREMLINS are gone. The gremlins that have been Messing with us all week. There's still some issues. I think I think this new mixing board that I got has a short in it somewhere. I you know I just. I think I did something in a previous life where I pissed off the tech gods or something and so in this life. They're out to get me the only thing I can think of because yeah jus- just things are not not not good not as they should be. Anyway we're here we're on live. I see that I'm checking in high facebook. Let's let's look at Youtube. Youtube looks to be okay The old Nicole Sandler show chat room Looks Alright so it's Friday? And it's Monday Memorial Day and a lot of people are understandably taking time off. But here's my thought it's not like go to the beach. It's not like I can go out shopping or to a barbecue with a bunch of friends or anything. I'M GONNA be here and as long as I'm going to be home. We may as well do a show right. Hey Kid let's punish. Oh so we're here today. Business as usual I heard Thom Hartmann was on a rerun and I know he's GonNa be off Monday. I know Brad. Friedman is unfortunately off today in Monday. tune in his staticky. I'm sorry this is. I think that has to do with the short from this mixing board. I don't know what the issue is. But listen to the audio on On Youtube it's the best I can tell you. I know you to be sounding okay. And I'm trying to get to the bottom of it with the manufacturer of the Board F. It's not one thing it's another. It's always something you know so anyway Brad asked me to fill in for them for he desi today but I want to get these technical issues figured out so yeah we will not. I will not be filling in for them today. But in addition to being here today I will I'm going to be here on Monday. You know I don't always do Monday shows but last Monday. We had so much fun. Doing a A music Monday program that we're going to do another one this coming Monday. Yes it's Memorial Day but since I guess we can all have sort of a virtual a virtual Memorial Day party and I'm going to be joined for the musical portion of it by Dan Navarro. Now you may not know his name but you should actually know at least one of his songs because Dan Navarro in Well he used to be teamed up with Eric Lowen and they wrote songs and recorded and toured under the name Lowen and Navarro and they wrote a song back in. God I want to stay the seventies or eighties called we belong. That was a huge hit for Pat. Benetton I happen to prefer the low in Navarro version. Better and now Well I'll request it from Dan on Monday. So we'll get the the Dan Navarro version. Unfortunately Eric Low and died from. Ls Some years ago so Dan has been doing the solo thing so he's going to join us on Monday. He's an old old dear friend of mine. Who's made amazing music for decades? And he's been doing What is it songs from the songs from the Corona Zone? I think he's calling it And doing it like six nights a week streaming live so you can find him on facebook. If you're so adventurous or just come on Monday and join us for a Special Memorial Day musical Monday. Show all right. I have no idea if this is gonna work or not yesterday. I wanted to play this video for you when I couldn't get it working and but. I think today I have it do I have it. You know what I can play it from here. We'll see if this works all right so Yesterday I threatened to play a a led Zeppelin parody song for you and again. I couldn't I couldn't get it working. 'cause the Gremlins were were messing with me. But today I think I think we've got it so Fingers crossed and let's see there's a band. The band is called the solution. And the solution did discover of a led Zeppelin tune while a parody of a led Zeppelin tune And Well let's let's listen to it and maybe laugh because that's the goal here right right all right. Take it away. The solution Shoot shown the band is called the solution and they do covers and boy. They rocked out so there. You have it rocking out and I see some people in the chat room or like well not really my kind of music. It's lots upland. That's rock and roll now. I do have another song that I found last night that I think I'm going to wait until Monday to play. And it's the other end of the spectrum from this one you know. Look some of us are old. I'm an old rock roller. So yeah that's my kind of music. Some of my kind of music. I like folk music too but yeah was great. Led Zeppelin cover. I do have another. Should I play it or should? I'm going to wait because there's something else I have to play for you that is just astounding so before this morning. Joe Biden did an interview with Charlemagne the God now Charlemagne. The God is a New York radio personality and they are mega popular. This show is usually at the top of the New York City ratings. And you know look I worked in New York City morning radio for a few years and thankfully my show was on the top of the ratings heap for awhile and you know look I get it. Charlemagne the God not my cup of tea. I'm obviously not in the demo. Was they say but you know? I became acquainted with his show during the presidential primary because it seemed like it was a a stop that every candidate mate and they had to bow to the defeat of Charlemagne. God spelled T. H. A. Now I know this is the old curmudgeonly white woman in me The Breakfast Club yes. That's the name of the program and I don't understand why this guy is. The arbiter of who black people should vote for then again getting into territory year. That probably shouldn't because I'm an old privileged white woman but something happened on the show. That really bothered me and for once. It wasn't anything that Charlemagne did because I've heard I heard his interviews with Kamala Harris With Elizabeth Warren. Those two are the ones that that come to mind. When I think of it and I was. I was offended by both of them by by Charlemagne's questions for both Camera Harris and Elizabeth Warren and I was I was livid that why is this guy who knows nothing? He's Kinda ignorant when it comes to politics. Why is he like the arbiter of WHO African Americans should vote for? But that said again. I'm not a fan not my thing. I'm not supposed to be a fan. I'm not in the demo. Six year old white woman and the show is is mostly for Young African Americans or people who like hip hop and rap. And that's certainly not me as you can tell from my musical choices but anyway what happened today is Joe Biden proved that he just is clueless. I mean clueless. Joe Is the perfect nickname for him. And I don't need the hate mail. Joe Biden Donald Trump. No question I will vote for Joe Biden to vote against Donald Trump. I would and I'll say it again. I will vote for my dog Jackson over. Donald Trump. Anybody would be better but really Joe Biden's so they get through the whole interview. The interview only runs a little over. I listened to the whole thing at the sixteen minute mark when when Biden's person already told him. No you need to. We need to go. We need to You Know Jill has an interview coming up. We need the studio space in their basement. When when this happened let me just play it rather than paraphrase what happened so we're sixteen minutes and seventeen seconds into an eighteen minute and nineteen second interview and this is what happened. I would ask you but you running me I don't know if you saw. Wah sorted data that news report. Growth that Ambi Club which was being vetted in a lot of people on Social Media. They are not too happy about that and It's because they want your running mate to be a black woman. I don't know if you saw OP ED in the Washington Post. By some of the leading black women voices in this country and they feel Viper minutes. Such loyal vote in black and black people save geopolitical life in the primaries this year. They have things they want from you. And one of them is a black woman running mate. What what are you stayed in what I say to them is that I'm not acknowledging anybody who is being considered but I guarantee there are multiple black women being considered okay multiple okay. We don't get much. That's really our time. I Apologize Violence. A white median blocked me because my wife has to go on at six o'clock. Okay okay. I'm in trouble. Listen you gotta come see us when you come to New York. Bp Biden will. It's a long way until November. We got more questions. You got more questions that talent if you have a problem figuring out whether you're mayor trump and you ain't black trump. It has to do with the fact I watch something for my community. I would love to see my record man. I extended the Rex twenty-five okay. I got a posit. Their first of all that wasn't even a question and Joe Biden. Just comes out of nowhere with if you can't figure out between me and trump then you're not black now charlemagne the God just jumped on the. This has nothing to do with trump issue without dealing with the meter that Joe Biden just laid on him. Let's did I. I don't know if I backed it up far enough. Let's try this here. We go knowledge. Anybody consider but I guarantee you. There are multiple black women being console. K Now yes. We don't get much. That's really our time I apologize. You can't do that to black media okay first of all. You can't do that to Black Media. I you know sorry. Why are you sit black media or white media it's media and if they were given a time slot and saying you have him for fifteen minutes from six to six fifteen? That's one thing and the time was up. You don't wait till the very end to ask about his running mate he should have done that earlier. That aside though I see I have a problem with this black white thing. Don't we all but my problem is the demand and Charlemagne said it in this interview? We want a black woman to be the vice president so there hasn't been a woman in the executive branch in in either president or the white president's office or white president the vice president's office. Wow but we did have a black man as president for eight years. So that's good. How about we just go for a woman. I don't care if she's black white purple or green. How about a woman on the ticket? She's gotTa be black. See I I hate identity politics even saying we've got to have a woman but it's time So but anyway. So they're going through this. And then Joe Biden out of the blue out of nowhere comes out with this bit of brilliance to white median. Block me because my wife has to go on at six o'clock coming okay. Oh I'm in trouble. Listen you gotta come see us when you come to New York. Be Biden's there's a long way until November. We got more questions. You've got more questions about telling if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for mayor trump and you ain't black it don't have nothing to do with trump and if you have a problem figuring out between me or trump then you ain't black. What kind of Shit is that? We're does that come from what an idiot attic totally stupid thing for anyone to say let alone a man who's running for president who he goes on to talk about all the great things he's done for black people here at to do with the fact. I want something for my community. I would love to see my record man twenty. You didn't extend the voting rights. Act This any did. You can't take credit for that. I've years I have a record. That is second. The non endorsed me every time. I've run the were. I mean. Come on back. Take a look at the record. Come on thank you so much really thanks. We'll come back and that's the eight again cutting off the interview so I wanNA know. What do you think about this again? I'm a white woman. Maybe it's not my place to even comment on it. I'm I'm I'm offended. I'm offended on all fronts. I'm offended by the people who say it's got to be a black woman and I'm offended by Joe Biden saying if you can't figure out between me or Donald Trump then you're not black. What the Hell is he talking about? It's all just so wrong. Every bit of it is wrong so that happened and for once you know I am not going after trump but I I should because Oh my God. His idiocy was on full display. Shall we get to the news? We have? We have a guest coming up today by the way governor. Don siegelman will be here now. He was on with US last month and we had a great conversation. And you know I'm I am so in awe of that man who was targeted by the the the Bush administration by Karl Rove and his head and Bush's henchmen and he was prosecuted on trumped up bribery charges. He didn't bribe anyone And prosecuted and spent a few years in a federal prison. He was a political prisoner. He was the only Progressive Democrat governor that that Alabama ever had and he's and he was persecuted by the trump administration and was our most notable political prisoner. The thing I don't understand about Don siegelman situation is why Barack Obama never pardoned him. And that's a question we'll get into. I'm in the middle of his book. Now so don. Siegelman has been writing. This book called stealing our democracy and it's his story and Oh my God I'm just in. I'm up through the early years of his career and being a progressive in Alabama who is a Catholic with the name siegelman which is a very Jewish sounding name obviously had an interesting upbringing and he worked his way through politics. He held every office in the Alabama state executive branch and and worked his way up to be governor a Progressive Democrat governor of Alabama and When he was running for reelection basically Karl Rove came after him and the rest is history. And it's all in this book which is available now for preorder. It comes out June seventeenth. I believe he'll be on that week when we'll go in depth into the story and so we're waiting until the book is ready to be released to have him on for the for the longer show But he but He's GonNa come on today because well because He sent me a note and he's like you know. I run a lot run in and run a lot of elections and I know how to win and I know how the Democrats can win so I said well then come on back on and let's do let's let's do a a segment on that. So Don Siegelman of course. Because I'm reading the book. I have some questions about his story. But we're going to save the bulk of that for next month when the book is coming out today. We're GonNa talk about what he thinks. The Democrats need to do to win and we all know. We are in the midst of a just a a insane election season. We're in the midst of just the most insane year that any of us ever lived through so yeah so don. Siegelman is coming up in about. Oh about fifteen minutes. So let's get to some news shall we before it's time to get to Don Siegelman? Okay Bill Go Away Riding. Thank you bill. Thank God he does this to me every time. All right so bill is gone breaking news since I've recorded what's news this morning. A study of ninety six thousand hospitalized corona virus patients on six continents found those who received hydroxy chloroquine had a significantly higher risk of death as compared to those who did not the paper obtained early by the Washington Post and publish just this morning. In The Lancet Medical Journal founded people treated with hydroxy chloroquine or the closely related drug chloroquine. Were also more likely to develop a type of irregular heart rhythm or Arrhythmia that can lead to sudden cardiac death. Keep taking those pills Donald. Just keep taking them. Go against your own. Fda Go against your own Centers for disease control go your own medical experts and say what what we going to lose your life and we'd all win so keep taking those drugs. I know your two week. Regimen is up tomorrow allegedly keep taking them Donald. It'll make you feel better. God that aside there is some good news today. From the Centers for Disease Control. They revised their guidance on how the viruses spread clarifying that quote. The virus spreads easily between people and they stress. That it's the droplets as I'm speaking. Obviously I'm spewing stuff out of my mouth now. It's their small droplets so they're not really visible but I've seen some of the infrared photography and the things that come out of our mouths even when we're just talking is kind of gross And that's why they're saying you need to be six feet apart so it spreads very easily between people. That's why they're saying everyone should wear a mask by the way. My Mask doesn't protect me from your particles what my mask does. Is it protects you from my particles so when you don't wear a mask when you don't wear a Basque you're being really really selfish really selfish all right. I don't know who's this is calling. Hi Who's this woman of knelt up on the show and the Netflix? It's Nicole and I'll I'll call you. I will call you on skype and so you can just pick it up when I call you're going to it will show up on my computer. Uh-huh okay all right. Well I'll talk to you about in about five minutes. Okay bye so sweet. All right so yeah. We'll call Don Siegelman back in a few minutes anyway. So what are we saying the CDC is now saying that touching contaminated objects or surfaces does not appear to be a significant mode of transmission. The same is true for exposure to infected animals. One step up two steps back then. The other thing that trump just said today is that he is opening the churches. I hear a sorry I I know I to assault your ears by bringing up. You know audio of his voice. But it's so bear with me. He came out today. There was allegedly a briefing. And he's he made one short statement. I won't even play the whole thing for you but to give you the gist of it. Here's what he said today. I'm identifying houses of Worship Churches Synagogue Mosques word of mouth as essential places that provide essential services some governors have deemed liquor stores and abortion clinics is essential but left out churches and other houses of worship snout right so. I'm correcting this injustice. And calling houses of worship essential all right asshole and he he he basically said and. I'm calling on all the governors to open those houses of worship because they're essential services and if they don't do it. I'll override the governor's he can't this man has no clue of what his powers are. He can't so he said this. He talked for about two minutes. Then somebody One of the reporters as he was leaving shouted out. Are you going to church? And of course. He didn't answer that because he doesn't go to church. He goes to church as often as I go to temple. Which is never so he did that. Because hey you know. Cases are exploding all over the country especially now that they're starting to loosen the stay at home regulations and more and more people are going to get sick and you know what Donald Trump said if a second wave hits. This is what he said. People say that's very distinct possibility standard and we'll to put out the fires. We're not going to close the country put out the fires would be whether it's ember or aflame would have put it out but we're not closing our but we're not closing our country so scientists tell us that historically in a pandemic like this all we need to do is look back a hundred years to the Spanish flu of nineteen eighteen or is trump calls it nineteen seventeen. Nc The second wave was much deadlier than the original one but trump's we're not doing you see because Donald Trump thinks that the economy is more important than your life. Just in case you're wondering the economy as more important than your life What else let me see if there's anything else? I need to Yes second-wave won't shut down Real quickly other stuff Georgia authorities yesterday arrested the guy who shot the video of those the father and son killing Ahmad Barberie. Did you see this and I said it? I said it weeks ago. Why did this guy shoot the video? Why was he following them? There's something not right there so this guy. His name is William Brian. He was charged with felony murder and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment. Good so that happened and if you're wondering about the polymerization of our government the Senate. Yesterday narrowly confirmed Congressman John Ratcliffe of Texas as the new Director National Intelligence. The vote was forty nine. Forty four fell along party lines but this was like the biggest do over ever because ratcliffe withdrew. He had been nominated before by trump for four director of national intelligence but he came up against bipartisan. Opposition because of his lack of counterterrorism experience has exaggerated immigration enforcement record and his blatant support for right wing conspiracy theories but donald trump wanted him and he lobbied the Republicans in the Senate to do his bidding and they did so in his second run at the job every single republican united behind his nomination. This should make you very afraid. He's the new director of National Intelligence. We are so screwed. We are so screwed And and real quickly before we get Don Siegelman on the line. Let's let's see Hopefully this will work. I'm going to try to get him up here now while I tell you things are really bad in Hong Kong as the former British colony. You know we're pro. Democracy protests erupted last year Well China's said yesterday it was preparing to impose a new national security law. It's expected to ban sedition succession and subversion of the Central Government in Beijing and will be introduced in a way that effectively bypasses Hong Kong's legislature For some reason that's not connecting. All right I'M GONNA try. I'm going to try it from this computer Yes we're trying to get DON siegelman. Oh I can't do it from that computer because I don't have a camera on that one. I'M GONNA try him one more time and see if this works we're we're trying again So in the meantime yeah the critics say that this is essentially the end of the One Country Two Systems concept that has kept Hong Kong politically autonomous from mainland China. This is horrible and this is all playing out as you know. Under a against a backdrop of international tensions brought on by the coronavirus crisis including recent promises from Donald Trump to punish China China for its role in the pandemic. So yeah okay. So this is weird. It's not connecting for some reason. No answer In a moment I'm just GonNa call him on the phone so anyway. So that all happened. It's just you know we're we're living opposite world and it's just screwed up all right. Let me try Don Siegelman one more time this way. And if this doesn't work I'm just going to I'm just GONNA call him on the telephone on the regular phone. Okay that's weird. I don't know what happened there. All right we're just GONNA do an audio call with Don Siegelman. Because you know we're losing valuable time here so let's see. Let's see if this works. I don't know if it will or not. This one's not my fault for one. I'm I'm doing okay but let me tell you a little bit about Don Siegelman while we wait for him to pick up and hopefully he will join US shortly. Don Siegelman was the governor of Alabama progressive. What I think I'm just GONNA have to call his regular phone number. This is just this is not right. Let me try. We'll do it this way. Fourth time is the charm as they say all right. Hopefully this'll work So Don Siegelman was high. Tried skyping you. But it didn't work so we could just do it over the phone okay. So we're live on the air and I was just explaining to the listeners. You're on with me last month. We talked a little bit about the book that you have coming out next month and we are going to reconvene next month on on the eve of the book. Release date to really go into your story. But I'm reading the Book and Oh my God I mean so much that I didn't even know about you and I can't wait to go in depth with you and to your story because what happened to. You is a travesty But the reason we're talking today is you said to me. After we spoke last time you know I know how the Democrats can win because you have run in a number of elections in your lifetime. Haven't you I have I hope you can hear me. I hear you loud. Terrible terrible thunderstorm. I hear you loud and clear. No worries okay. Good because it's a little fuzzy Mayan but Yes I think. I was on the ballot. Seventeen Times in Alabama and I want you listeners to keep this I was elected to the national board of Americans for Democratic Action. In nineteen seventy one as a law student along with Barney. Frank and Tennis Gallison Noted LEFT-WINGERS I was. I was active in the Anti War. Movement I board Mississippi for the first african-american new brand for for governor met. Your ever says brother calls every of anyway Worked OUR LOWEST SAYING CONGRESSMAN FROM NEW YORK? Worked IN THE DUMP Johnson Movement. Virtually Robert Kennedy the Got A campaign contribution from my friend Jane Fonda when I was running for attorney general but anyway the long the longest short of it is I should. I should never really been elected. Anything in Alabama considering Alabama's you know probably one of the most far rights sates but my point. Is that if you connect with voters. They will overlook some things right and in my in my case. They overlooked a lot of things because I was speaking to their interests. And my my admonition than word to those Joe Biden and any Democrat. Who's running for office in? Twenty twenty is forget about Donald Trump. Yup Everybody Donald. Everybody knows that what he's doing. Everybody knows he is stacking the government and just recently the National Security Chief is GonNa be wanted his clones. But you know every every. He's you know firing all of the Inspector General's he's he's taking total control. Everybody knows what he's doing So what we need to speak to the interest of working families working families do not go to bed at night. Worrying about trump. They're worried about Nicola worried about their children and their parents are worrying about paying their bills. They want their kids to have a better life than they've had so they know that starts with education. That's why we need. Our President are nominated to start speaking about Universal Early Learning Opportunities Free College Education. Retiring the student debt he needs to. Do you know to to talk what is important to the children of of of working families. He also these two to talk about their parents and grandparents. Working families want their parents to have a decent place to live food on the table. And not worry about the cost prescription drugs. You know we. We live in the richest country in the world. No one no one should go to bed hungry homeless or without healthcare not the not the mentally disabled or physically disabled challenge and not those people behind bars. So how do you know we as Democrats we also want? We want our kids to have the opportunity to have more and better jobs are minimum wage. We want a new uses for renewable energy to to begin to to to combat the climate crisis that we're facing And the president person running for President or person running for the State House needs to talk about these issues rang. I think you know you. You've talked on your program and and and other friends of mine like Thom Hartmann up north of you spoken about. Yeah we need. We need a president whom we can respect. Who's civil who has coo- respects the rights of women and understand history and and understands the importance of a free press to our democracy right and even even Republican women in suburbs throughout this country. Don't want their kids to listen to to a president who uses foul language to abuses women who doesn't respect women and so we have that common ground. So let's let's let's begin to to speak to that and I think most people most working families also want a president and more people in public office who are for equal rights Who Want Social Justice? Racial Justice Environmental Justice and in many cases want criminal justice reform. Right there yes or go ahead. I'm no I was going to ask you. I mean I'm hearing all the things you're saying and I agree one hundred percent this year. We face you know unique challenges because it's hard to get out there and campaign. Nobody can right now and so. Joe Biden is relegated to his basement when he's not very good at these televised. Or you know zoomed interviews. And in fact. I don't know if you heard what happened this morning with a New York radio personality. Charlemagne the God. Did you hear about this? No I have not well. Joe Biden was the guest. Charlemagne the God is the host of this radio. Show the club that is. It's one of the top rated shows in New York. It's a you know. And he made that the destination for every primary presidential candidate all the Democrats to come on and be vetted by Charlemagne the God I thought some of these questions of some of the the people were horrible as the primary season went on but putting that aside this morning he's talking to Joe Biden and they do like a eighteen minute interview and at the very end. I want to play for you. What Joe Biden said? Hopefully you'll be able to hear it through the the phone line because I found it astounding and I just don't understand where we're Biden's coming from so tell me if you can hear this. No you're not going to be able to hear it because you're on the same thing. Basically what he said is if you have to decide if you if you can't figure out between me and Donald Trump who you're voting for then you're not really black. He said this to a black. Yes Oh my dog yeah. Listen there's there's there's there's no there's no point in in in in in doing things like that again you don't win friends and you don't you. Don't build bridges to independence and and suburban Republican women. Which is what honestly. I think he is going to to win this rice. Yeah and you can't do that if you just if you remember the story about the tar baby you know and people always have the tendency to hit the target you get stuck in this morass of politics when that's not what that's not what working people are thinking about hurting. They weren't released. They want somebody who's going to speak to their interests in somebody. They can depend on to fight for them in in in Congress in Washington and and you know Biden has the capability of doing that if he would just remind people of of where you came from and what he has been able to accomplish while he was in the Senate and also as vice president and working you know it might not be a bad idea for him to to to start trying to have meetings with some of the you know Republican he might be able to sway these issues that impact the lives of of working families now right but you know it. It is frustrating to me as well to watch because I you know. I hoped that he would use this time. This last few months through really relate to working families through both virtual You know town halls rallies of but but also maybe even you know travel could of hit the fifty states and in the last two months without any problems. He's still made his phone calls to go. I mean right now. It's not it's not like people are Going out to events I mean if he could have gone to any state in the last month and nobody would always see him. I was I was thinking he could he could he could do that. And and just if nothing else you know have a news conference. In in the hangar with the media separated drank anything anything to get him on the air talking about the problems that says working families in America. And it's real simple and you just you gotta do it and it takes a lot of hard work a lot of hand shaking and and endless speechmaking but you know You talk about the wrong subject. He's so good. It opening his mouth and inserting his foot and there was it was the very end of the interview. If there were uncomfortable moments as there usually are with Joe Biden. I'm sorry he's not the most eloquent speaker but then again neither is his opponent. I'm and but he was. He had made it through it and then at the very end he says something so reprehensibly stupid then I just don't I just don't understand what he's thinking. It drives me nuts because right now everything is at stake here Don. We're you know this I mean and this is you. Were pinning our hopes on so. I'm pinning my hopes on his vice presidential pick. I had somebody emailed me the other day. Who said so. I figured it out. There's no way in hell that I can vote for Joe Biden but I will vote for whoever the vice presidential pick is right and so that that can make you feel good about feeling that bubble on the on the on the ballot but that depends who it is so we heard yesterday. He Klobuchar a floated. That she's being vetted You know that came from her camp we hear. We hear Kamla Harasses Stacey. Abrams is openly lobbying for the job. This is weird because in past years. It's always been you know everyone denying that there in the running or that they want it now. They're all lobbying for what? Who Do you think he should pick for the vice president and we think as Charlemagne the God said something? That bothered me that it has to be a black woman. I want I don't think it has to be an African American woman and an a you know. Joe Has committed himself to a woman yet. So that's that's a good thing I think They nice to have a a strong woman. but what the American people are going to be looking for In his choice is someone who can step in to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world or what could be again. Yeah so what but a wrong. Pick of somebody like the Dan. Quayle or someone who is obviously not qualified to shoes of being commander and cheese or You know then then worked to his disadvantage. Yes he's got he's got he needs. He needs some help inventing You know the right candidate I I don't I don't I. I don't know who it should be. I've got my own thoughts If I were in that situation I think I know what I would do. But and You know he's got to. He's got to you know Choose Carefully Fleet Bosley Yup also also got to be somebody that can speak to the issues that I just spoke of and of course Elizabeth. Warren was a great spokeswoman for at least from my point of view and so anyway yeah I would I would you know. He's got to make the right choice. And it's gotta be somebody who is qualified to be president and but it's also got to be somebody that's going to be tough enough to take on tax reform and creating test all entered deal with to deal with the aftermath of the biggest not only financial crisis of our lifetimes but the biggest health crisis of our lifetimes. We need somebody. Who's really good and you know. I'm seeing in the chat room. Somebody trip who I really respect said. It has to be val demings or Comma Harris well because trip thinks it needs to be an African American woman. I don't Comma Harris. I'm sorry I don't think is should be president for a number of reasons. Not Having to do with her experience Val Jennings is not experienced enough. She's not ready to be president and with Joe Biden's advanced age. I'm sorry that is that has got to be ration- because I have a feeling whoever the running mate is is GonNa wind up being president. Just me it's just a feeling I have but those are things we need to think of and Val demings may be perfectly nice woman a decent congresswoman if you like her former cop but it doesn't mean she's ready to be president. Same Thing Stacey. Abrams Very Smart. But the highest office she's ever held. Is I think state legislator I think she was head of the Georgia Assembly but again. That doesn't make you ready to be president. Look what happened? The last time we elected somebody who was not ready to be president. We're in the mess. We're in now so you know. I Like Elizabeth. Warren and I hate the fact that you know people that I like and respect are saying. Oh No it's got to be a woman of color. Well really well. No let me let me say this. John Lewis endorsed my book I have I have worked. I had this I had this Bishop actually I think he's out there now in California. It's a t t t Larry Kirkland of Alien Meson Church and I was in with him. That meeting of all of this His pictures from around the southeast and and he he was looking at me and the audience in the pointed me out and he said you see this man you see how he moves to the songs and he. He has beaten a rather be said. I think he's got some black blood in Him and he said I think Johnson was going to be the closest thing we ever get to two black Governor in the state of Alabama. You don't not point is you. Don't have to be to the black to understand the problems and worked with people you know one of the reasons why I wrote. This book is to protect the people who are most vulnerable. I was in prison with African American young men who had no business being there. They were ripped away from their children and their family for piddly amounts of marijuana or cocaine sense. And we've got to protect those folks and you can speak to the issues that impact the lives of black and white Americans and win them over. But you know you don't have to have a the color of your skin is not something that that matters. Would you really reached down and speak to people and touch their hearts? So No it's about your director. It's about what you believe. In Don Siegelman I gotTa tell you again. The book stealing our democracy will be out in June sixteenth or seventeenth. is the date And Sixteenth and you'll be back on with me actually on the fifteenth on the eve of its the publication where. We're really going to go in depth but I gotta tell you one of the one of first stories in the book that grabbed me was as a young man you grew up in Alabama. I loved your name is Siegelman and people thought you were Jewish because it is kind of a Jewish name and you're not. That's something that you had to deal with an Alabama grandfather like but then you tell the story of when you are a schoolboy and you came home one day and you used what we now refer to as the N. Word and your father gave you a lesson. Can you tell that story because it just it it this is? This is what it's about not the color of your skin but you know sorry to steal a line from Dr King but your character. Yeah well so I used the word around my mother and my mother told my done by the time I got home from school. My Dad was there in which was highly unusual because he was a workaholic and I picked up his straits but so you know Murli and he said yes on he said. I heard you use a bad word. Today didn't Kinda no. I guess I knew what he was talking about this year. This and he was like nineteen fifty. Something Yeah Early Fifties Fifties six White Oak Brown versus board of Education. By when we started you know having to Move around to accommodate You know well. They were still trying to segregate schools. Anyway so I use the N Word Dead said I want you to go get the dictionary so went into our little bedroom and and we didn't have much of a selection of books but one Zane grey or a novel and and a group of Encyclopedia's my mother had bought from S S and h green stash nursery. So I got. I brought the dictionary and put it on the kitchen table. He said now wants you to find that word. Not You know fumbled around and looked and I said that I can't find any so let me give you a hint. It's not in their try. This Word Negro. And so he didn't say that knows starts he just politely suspended and I looked it up. And he's now read me the definition that I did and he said that's the only word we're going to use I wonder if you're you said other word again. And then he he asked me as if I wanted to work with One of his piano deliveryman life is the only guy believe it and that Saturday and he was. He wanted to be acid. Sure and so I was. The gentleman came by African American. Strong young man. Pick pick me up at the door and the truck with a piano in the back and we went out to A. I went out to watch him deliver This piano singlehandedly up there was an upright piano upper some steps and anyway it was the lesson. My Dad was trying to teach me You know it was something that you know. Stay with may could rush my life As it and what? What a story. And that taught you a lesson and and you've as as a progressive white democratic governor in Alabama and. This was back a while You you you cared about the civil rights you cared about the rights of all people you you. You worked for some of the stories you tell in. The book are incredible and we'll save them for next time when you come on but this is I think so much more important than the color of WHO's ever scan. It's who the person is many ways. John Yeah I I. I had a great ton throughout my career. As Secretary of state expanding voting rights and and tearing down the barriers that prevented African Americans from voting and as attorney general settled one lawsuit That forced all the cities and counties to re district on the basis of one person. One vote which led to the election of literally thousands of African Americans in Alabama more elected black officials than any other state in the country. And you know I was able to to to make those kinds of changes and fight for Equal opportunities for education and one of the things that I think that attracted John. Lewis was the fact that Tonight cause was fact that I I've I believe in believed that every child in this country regardless of where they're boerner to him regardless of the color of their skin the economic status whether they're immigrants are our citizens every child should have the hope and dream of being able to Reach their God given potential through education. And that's why it comes back to providing universal pre K for every at the prom. Did he stay in school and stay out of trouble and make your grades? You can go on and get a higher education degree. You don't have to be a Rhode scholar but if you want you want to gain jobs seizing job skills three. Will you know we can pay for that? Of course it's GONNA take tax reform and Biden as Elizabeth Warren Young Need to talk about closing the gap when you have one percent but fifty percent of the wealth of one. I'm sorry one. Three families. Fifty percent of the wealth of one percent ninety two percent Large corporations and billionaires not paying any taxes when the working people are actually subsidizing. The rich. You know we've been taught in and this is the you know the image that some Republicans want to pay. Is that working families for taking care of the poor working families for taking care of people on Welfare or people who are jobless well it is the working families who are taking care of the rich Yup. And we've got we got to close those those loopholes. I took that on as governor to to to to make enough money to fulfil the commitment to education in Alabama close who had actually been Arthur Andersen wet when of the tank are hard. They've lost their are super auditors. To go after the corporations that they work they that was that they were You know cooking the books on so they wouldn't have to pay taxes. We're doing business. In Alabama we close corporate loopholes and broadened enough money to fund education. But you know what I wanNA hear. Out of our candidates the president on down to the state legislature is to get away from talking about how much we don't like Donald Trump and talk about what we're going to do for working families and I think if we do that we can. We can win a bunch of elections in twenty twenty. Well I hope I hope the Democratic Party will listen to you don siegelman again. The book stealing our democracy is out on June sixteenth. We will talk about it in depth on the fifteenth the day before Don Siegel do pre order the book. I'll put a link on the blog at Nicole Sandler DOT com. Where you can do that. Don Siegelman it's always great to talk with you. Thank you and reach out to some of the Democratic Party elders and make them listen to you a I will. I will make sure we don't have a thunderstorm. Love you and appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you don weekend and and I'll talk to you next month okay. Bye-bye the the wonderful Don Siegelman. He really he really is one of the really good guys. All right and the book is just great. All right. We're done. We're late so Monday. Be here Monday Memorial Day music Monday. We're going to have fun okay. All I'll see you then. Thanks for listening. Everyone stay safe.

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How to Hack an Election: The Jennifer Cohn Interview

Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior

1:16:42 hr | 1 year ago

How to Hack an Election: The Jennifer Cohn Interview

"I, really do think that Vice President Biden is very well positioned. And now with Kamala Harris on the ticket. To win. The overwhelming vote and even the Electoral College. But I also fear and worry about all of the shenanigans that we are seeing from the trump campaign and their allies. Trying to mess with the post office, increasing their efforts to suppress bolts and a much more aggressive disinformation campaign that is underway So if we had a totally free open election, I believe that Joe and Kamla would be our next president and vice president. But I think we're going to have to work like crazy. Between now and November to make sure that everybody wants to vote does vote and every vote is counted and that's GonNa. Be The challenge for not only. The Democratic Party and the ticket, but frankly the public and the press so that we have an election that accurately reflects the will of the people. This is the kind of regime that Donald Trump supports and this is the kind of leadership from an autocrat like Putin that he aspires to and to circle back to Nicole's question every American should ask him or herself. You know do you want a country where your president admire someone who kills literally kills his position now? And we have heard nothing. We have heard nothing from Pompeii Oh we nothing from. The White House and it is a demonstration of the moral bankruptcy but also the clear and present danger that the trump administration hoses to our freedoms to our values, and I am really concerned that more people in our country are not understanding. What has happened elsewhere in the world that trump seems to admire and what would stop him from going even further than he has if given the chance. I'm Sarah Kerr, the author of the bestselling books, the view from fiber country and hiding in plain sight. I'm Andrea Chalupa a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the journalistic thriller Mr Jones, and this is gasoline nation a podcast covering corruption in the trump administration and rising autocracy around the world. Welcome to a very special episode of Gasoline Nation today are interviewing Jenny cone an election security advocate and writer welcome to gasoline nation Johnny where you belong given your topic I. Thank you very much for having. So election security is a very important topic Sarah and I actually met pretty much our our friendship was forged in the fires of audit vote which we helped launch right after. Donald Trump's surprise victory, the two thousand sixteen election and we learned so much about election security and how deeply vulnerable. Adams were for so long and we made so much noise about that issue, which of course led to the recounts, which, of course. were an entirely different story going down that road. But what it really exposed was just the public, the lack of understanding about how our election systems work reluctance in the media to really go after this this issue in a substantial way public officials same thing could you walk us through? What do we know now finally about what happened in twenty sixteen in terms of election hacking so thank you. Yes it was even more than the public not understanding they were affirmatively misled in some cases we had Jim Comey testifying that voting machines never supposedly never connect to the Internet and thus supposedly it would have been all but impossible for Internet hackers to have changed e outcome of the election. and that was false onto precedes and we'll get into what we specifically do now that happen but this is essential to it. It was false in that wet independence and highly respected election security experts explain. Is that even if the actual voting machines themselves don't connect to the Internet, they all have to receive programming before every single election from centralized county computers that themselves either connect to the internet or can connect to the Internet and often do or that receive updates and programming from Internet connected systems. So you're really just one or two steps away from the Internet even if equipment the voters actually with does not itself connect but even more important than that or more direct than that. At least two swing states had precinct ballot scanners from a company called election systems and software ESPN S, and those precincts ballot scanners in Wisconsin and Florida, and perhaps elsewhere in the twenty sixty election contained cellular modems that connected them and the receiving end county central tabulates to the Internet. We were affirmatively misled in. It's no wonder that the public is so confused about what's happening because you have to follow it incredibly carefully to sort of weed through the morass of misinformation has been spread even by people in positions of trust. Yes. Speaking of those people that is one of the most frustrating things about that is that few spoke out before the election when they had the chance and those who did speak out were ignored or vilified, and one of the definitive moments for me was when Harry Reid wrote his now infamous letter to James Komi in twenty sixteen stating that not only was the Kremlin planning to interfere in. The election but that they had the ability to falsify vote tallies to actually change the results of the election he wrote Tacoma twice Komi ignored this letter, the media ignored this letter what do you think of Harry Reid's attempt and what do you make of the general reluctance of federal officials to tell the truth about election hacking and how widespread this threat was. So my understanding of what might be going on my thoughts about what might be going through their minds keeps shifting over time I, think Harry Reid was a hero in trying to warn the public the way it was massaged his letter falsify election results. There was a concerted effort to. Allay the public's concerns and tell them that no, no falsify results could have just matter reference to the voter registration systems and deleting people's names, which is a bad thing in an of itself and that that would result in false outcome. There was definitely a concerted effort to convince the Public Russia was not in a position to ultra vote tallies when in fact the Book rigged by David Hammer which I read recently, he had reached out to me and pointed out a lot of interesting comment and I read it and I was stunned to see the four former senior members of the Obama Administration. told him that Russia was very much in a position to alter vote tallies in the thousand sixteen election and that this was the talk. Of the town and this was the red line, and this is what Obama meant when he got in Putin's face and said, don't screw with the vote. They weren't talking about the voter registration systems although that was a concern to the thing they were the most worried about was the actual vote tallies and there was a deliberate effort to not tell the public and. I don't think it was with malevolent and certainly by he Obama. Administration. But I feel like they're sort of two schools of going on. There is the school of thought which Harry Reid appeared you got, which is the one that I think which is that these elections belong to the public and the public has a right to know officials have an obligation to tell them. If, there's a direct threat to their elections because that's transparency and transparency is the only way to prevent fraud. If you end out with someone like trump in power. Later on now, we have this precedent where you don't tell the public under Obama and now we have trump incharge. I it it gets more more and more dangerous with time. Then they're think there was probably what Obama was a game, which is he didn't want to undermine trust in her untrustworthy election system. So it was putting the public's trust head of actually having trustworthy elections that to be. Somewhat fair to him. I mean, it does appear he tried to handle it behind the scenes. He tried to handle it through the DA s and maybe through I don't know if he directly worked with the non. White hat hackers with anonymous. Apparently, they were trying to help as well and at least communicating with some members of the Department of Homeland Security according to Andrea sister who would be in a position Dra. Sorry. Sorry I'm sorry under Oh my gosh pretentious here at Gas Nation Jenny. Jenny. Thank you. So So in any event. Yes. I think that there are people who are concerned about elections but try to handle it all behind the scenes and they're the ones who've kind of gotten us into this position, and then there are those who are much more into transparency and I think that that clearly is really more the way we need to go given everything that does not really work very well. Yes. I totally agree and I'm just curious regarding these four Obama administration officials who were quoted in Shammar Book Why were they willing to talk to him for his book but not tell the American public before the book came out and you know this is an a knock on Shaima 'cause I don't know the the circumstances. Why didn't he tell the public that these guys had told him earlier because it just seems like you know time is of the essence the more time the trump administration has to consolidate their autocracy and rigor our elections the worst off we are. So it seemed like the full story being told early is to the advantage of democracy itself and why did they not come forward earlier? You know I don't know. I actually was going to interview Shammar and then his PhD exam in inner change the schedule so it hasn't happened I hope maybe you guys will interview him at some point. I. Would I would like to know that too I imagine. Now if he had just come forward without having his name already started as a recognized authority in this area, it might have been dismissed and I don't know why they I believe court. Read his book at least the tenor of it was that there was an affirmative decision made not to tell the public about the vote tallies part of it. Well, what I found really interesting summer reading between the lines though is book gave me a fuller understanding of why that mantra? Steam no evidence. The vote tallies were change was circulating as a lawyer. Those I'm sure as many non-lawyers notice or it's really stuck out depend on the meaning of his. Sack out to me way back when. It's Because a lack of evidence does it is into an evidence of absence as they say. So they're they still could have been changed not have seen evidence of it. I thought it was a reference to a lack of signals. Intelligence is dropping on. It didn't hear Russians talking about changing vote tallies when the eavesdropped on. That after reading his book, what I think it is is that the jess did? Monitor to an extent and I don't know to what extent they didn't on interstate election systems even on election day. So they could say as those they did not see any I guess Internet traffic or any successful breaches on election day, but there are two things. Victimised leading about seeing it gave them sort of Cya. We saw no evidence and maybe persuaded themselves that didn't happen because it's Psychologically, it would be very difficult to admit to oneself that. Breach might have happened on your watch and you didn't win the public in advance or even after. They didn't really monitor for the most part county election systems I mean there was just with a few very limited exceptions and so. The truth is if you wanted to alter an election outcome, you would not do it for the most part at the state level because that would be detected very easily. If you gave a state total that you didn't affect the county totals which are reporting separately. Now in the United, states, someone can just add up the counties and easily see that the state total was bogus. So what you'd? Want to do is alter the county election systems, which is really where and municipal in some places. It's really most of the election activity curves and they were not in a position to know whether there were any attempted intrusions on election day because they were not given permission in. You know it's not entirely clear that they asked all of the counties they might have there's a whole lot of them. I believe like thirty, three thousand. But if you do counties in some states, run their election through municipalities. This episode of Gas Nation is sponsored. By best means a puzzle game. You can play at home on your phone. Best fiends challenges your brain with fun puzzle levels, but it's a casual game. 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There was an interview, a quote from Jay Johnson and probably mispronouncing that swell Jack Johnson anyway where he said they don't have independent surveillance activity and so this this mantra what became there we saw no evidence you know morphs over time into, they did not change vote tallies which promotes the sort of magical thinking about our election system and intelligence community that there is are everywhere and that is something happened they would magically no it and we would know it and everything, and therefore the fact that they didn't tell us anything went wrong means it didn't have. And it's very dangerous especially now that we have trump in power if if Obama didn't tell us, you can be pretty assured the trump administration's not gonna tell us if there are breaches and the Kremlin changed, the election results in Ukraine in two thousand fourteen, the presidential election results in Ukraine and Ukraine being used to Crumlin aggression for many generations was able to catch this quickly, catch it and change it yet. They could do it Ukraine a country with which leads the world in it. Ukraine is like like the fifth best market for it talent in the world you have Ukraine can catch this right in. This was done to Ukraine than the excuse for the US was that. We're just sitting ducks in two, thousand, sixteen, I think, yes we were sitting ducks and the truth is we don't know. If vote tallies were changed or not in two thousand sixteen, we can suspect one way or the other. But. We don't know and it is misinformation for. Members of the trump administration and of the foreign her Obama administration as far as I can tell to run around telling people that they weren't most of the Obama Administration, doesn't say that definitively bit Susan Rice apparently was on. Stephen Colbert saying definitively that vote tallies weren't changed in inch there appears to be factual basis for that statement. The Department of Homeland Security has admitted it did not do a forensic analysis assists and as you know the the recount which thank you for promoting that you were ahead of me. In seeing the need for that but it was really a sham because experts say the only way it's no. If Electric Tallies have been changed is to conduct a robust manual audit or full manual recount of a reliable paper. In many of these places they didn't have paper at all much less reliable paper trail, which would be hand marks, paper ballots and. Even when they had them in Wisconsin they left it to the camp. The court told the counties they could decide most of the large counties decided not to do it manually a machine recount is not really a recanted. All right. We'll we demanded a VO audit, which as you point out is very different from a recount and had to settle for a recount and recounts themselves are a war I was. Talking to organizers on the ground in in Wisconsin were there during the recount were describing to me how trump brought in his goon squad of? To Hover over the recount, intimidate people and and so forth. So recounts or our war, and they're absolutely not adequate to do proper forensics on election hacking. Think in some ways it hasn't gotten enough attention that trump blocked three can it's not so different than what happened in two thousand where the GOP locked to recount I mean he really the big difference here is that we didn't have Democratic Party behind the recount whether that would have made a difference. We'll never know I think the psychology of it is certainly different when you have the Democratic Party itself actually. Supporting the recount, it might have helped i. do think that the Democratic Party backed at into a corner and twenty six teams I sort of were fooled by trump who affirmatively. Projection thing where he claimed it would be rigged so that the Democrats would push back harder and overstate the security of our. System, which would have made them look like hypocrites if they had then themselves gone to go seek a recount and I am very concerned that I'm seeing the same thing happening now, which is not to say that I I mean I don't know maybe Biden will be declared victorious on the electron count I certainly hope so but if he's not, we cannot have in this a repeat of history where the Democratic Party has made it such that they will look like hypocrites if they're the ones who need to challenge another suspicious electronic outcome cannot have that and so I just their messaging has to be a little. A little bit subtle on this and I just seen sort of all the same people who are always considered the adults in the room who've presided over this system that landed us in this terrible place. Focusing exclusively on the possibility that the electric outcome will favor Biden and trump will try to undermine it and not even considering reverse possibility, which is that what if the vote tallies changed? I don't WanNA say again. But what if they are changed in twenty twenty, two favor trump they're not even putting that scenario out there and it's Freeman you really need to at least have it out there. So it gives you credibility if you need to. If later on, you need to be the one filing an election challenge they're not framing it at all. They're only framing the while I. The electronic part is going to be legitimate and it'll favor biden because he's so far ahead in therefore it's just going to be trump. You know who's going to be trying to challenge it in a pro in that would be an appropriate We just didn't need to be a little more subtle and our Massive de Democrats, why do you think they're still so reluctant because before you were saying that you think Obama basically put the image of trustworthiness had of. Trust and our institutions were badly hurt back then but they were not nearly at the state. We are now where trump has bulldozed and gut, it are actual institutions and is trying to annihilate the very idea of facts and truth and trust in transparency. You know we're at a point where people are acknowledging a lot of the things that they were reluctant to knowledge in two, thousand, sixteen his. Dictatorial aspirations why will they still not go there like when we need to know when we as citizens are about to head to these polls and vote why are they still? So reluctant today to touch this topic given that now they have a lot more proof in evidence to broach the territory. Well, it's difficult to tell the public we didn't tell you before and by the way maybe they really were changed I think that. Is a very difficult thing to say I don't understand why. Former members of the Obama Administration have not made election security a priority even if they didn't want to admit that it's conceivable that vote tallies changed in two thousand sixteen and why they haven't been at least. joined. The cause against things like wireless modems in precinct ballot scanners and remote access software, which I believe was at the time in two thousand, sixteen, I believe there was remote access software in ESPN S. And bold election systems and perhaps Dominion County Central calculators I don't understand that. At all maybe they were threatened I i. honestly. I think Groups think to it but I do want to say I do think Obama. It wasn't just that he was he wanted people to trust a trustworthy system. He thought maybe he get lucky and could take care of it through the. And three these white hat hackers and maybe he didn't understand. System Well, enough I mean he's a busy guy unless he studied independently to realize that monitoring the state election systems is not sufficient that you have to cover the county election systems and I mean it could be, for example, in two, thousand and four. which was considered one of the most suspicious election outcomes of probably all time maybe even more so than. Sixteen. House. Oh. Well. You had a Republican Secretary of state and the State of Ohio in Ken Blackwell who is also like an honorary chair of the Bush campaign and he entered into a contract with to republic in they were known as the Republican well, one of them was known as the Republican it Guru and they routed. Results through backup server on election night at about eleven fourteen pm to a company called Smart Tech in Chattanooga Tennessee. These are objectively verifiable facts it was reported affects themselves were reported in publications like mcclatchy. And so when the the the main server went down for no explained reason, there was no indication of too much traffic. At the Stendhal reason for building this backup server So results were routed to smart tech which was owned by. Republican. Operative Aminat backup it flipped carry was ahead before the server went down and then he lost when it went back up in it stayed there. There was a lawsuit over it in one of those to the guy that built the backup server died in private plane crashed before the. Election and I feel like. So that was John Kerry who lost and he has since said that he himself suspected electronic vote tally manipulation during that election that he figured it would end up at the Supreme Court. The United States Supreme Court again and have the same result is in two thousand, and so they didn't pursue it. Of course, this left the public in the dark that this was a possibility and the next decade and a half. People who were trying to figure out what happened with that election were largely vilified as conspiracy theorists and he didn't chime in to help them at all. He only in the last several years finally started saying rather quietly that he suspected. Tell Him All along. And so he was the secretary of State of Obama in. Eighteen and You know. I mean I I do think he I have heard and this is all just this is all just. Take it with a grain of salt that I hear have heard that he warned Obama and that they you know they took efforts in twenty twelve to hacking, and of course, that was anonymous hackers took credit for. Derogation preventing changing passwords in preventing electronic manipulation in that election and the same group. According to Alexandra my sister. that same group of Hackers did work in twenty sixteen to try to see what was going on but they didn't have they had infiltrated aground game in the same way that they had when he twelve. So something still could have happened despite their efforts. So I mean I think he tried i. think he didn't just leave it to chance I. do think Obama tried he just didn't want the public in on what was happening and I think that was a mistake in retrospect. It worked I guess maybe seem different. Maybe it did work maybe did work I should say that I really do mean it when I say we don't. Now I have my suspicions about twenty six team but I do not claim to have proof that vote tallies changed in two thousand, sixteen I. Think it's enough to say that we don't know and that's unacceptable exactly right and yes my sister Alexander. Chiluba. WHOSE DNC contractor who used the power google dot com to piece together public record information about infamous. Paul. Manafort. Tortures lobbyists and all these other connections to show that the tremblor the. The trembling. Word Tara because it was a terrorist attack by the trembling so My sister piece together all this information public available of course that the Kremlin was helping steal this election two, thousand, sixteen, hundred trump, and that Paul manafort was a smoking gun given his long history of being Putin's operative and Ukraine, and he was just re using that same playbook. In the US and so she pieced all this together and I tried to warn both Republicans and Democrats and at three am on election night. When her worst fears came true. She wrote a memo and put on facebook and it went viral and that helped launch audit the vote and you've been referring to it in this conversation and it's really chilling because there was article in Salon I think about what you're talking about an an Ohio in the John Kerry election where we're Bush Won Reelection and there was a lot of nefarious stuff going on in Ohio not just this election hacking story but also deliberately engineered longlines. The GOP, of course depends on stealing elections but was really interesting about the salon story that came out about Ohio and the election hacking and the anonymous hackers that the hung out in the system try to protect the election I think it referred to Karl Rove. Having a meltdown on live TV on Fox. Twelve yes. Twenty twelve, two, thousand, twelve when the election was called for Obama when a Haya was called for Obama, and I remember watching this and just seeing the look of shock on. Karl Rove's face. It was like something had gone wrong like Bush's brain. You Karl Rove being as dirty as the trump crime family like Karl Rove is is a danger to our country and our democracy, and he he was the one that led the way for trump's corruption with his own corruption to get the Bush crime family in the White House. But is really interesting that infamous Karl Rove meltdown, live, Fox TV that it was almost like his his scheme didn't work and he was shocked but that didn't work. Yes. It was an iconic moment and I remember watching it with. Great enjoyment as well. Actually launched I. Think well, Kelly was already a thing but. It made her more of a thing more of a sensation because she's the one who said you know it kind of looks like Obama won and he kept saying, no, no no, it's GonNa Change with I believe around the same time when everything changed for Bush in two thousand and four. So this is two thousand and twelve. And he kept saying, no no no Ohio's going to change in. Then it didn't and she just she knows she she just got up from her desk and walked back and talk to all the Fox News analysts said Yeah we're done there is nothing else to change. We're done we're done here on one and. I all I have always hesitated to talk about anonymous claim to have stopped a hack in twenty twelve because it sounds so far fetched and it Prob- It made us some of your listeners. Still I'm not pretending to know that they did or didn't. But what really the reason why started bringing it up again as I finally looked at Alexandra's facebook post again and I hadn't put together that it was the saint supposedly the same group of anonymous subgroups I guess in anonymous that it was supposedly the same group. In twenty thousand twelve that claims have stopped something in two thousand twelve that works with the D. H. S. or at least was there in two thousand sixteen and when I put those two together because. Alexander's not part of the. Regular Integrity, community that Meets Annually and Discusses Twenty twelve and did anonymous do it didn't do it? You should sort of coming from the entirely separate. It added a little more weight to something that I may be had given as much weight to possibility. Before I just I wish anonymous didn't wear the mask and do the music and all of that makes it seem just really silly. It's a loose collection. So I think any sort group can be I don't know me an autonomous is a complicated topic for a variety of reasons, but just to clarify what I was saying earlier. So twenty twelve is Romney versus Obama, and that's when Karl Rove had meltdown where he on. Fox News live or he kept claiming that new it's GonNa turn around and then it didn't and he stormed off the set. What followed was an article in Salon or some site like that saying that anonymous hackers claim credit a protecting Ohio from Karl Rove's election hacking, and prior to that in two thousand, four John Kerry failed to pursue any type of legal action towards credible claims that the election systems had been hacked and Ohio at a time when Carey was actually up in the vote and suddenly the server collecting. Votes went down when it came back up. Bush was leading and carry just drop that but and you heard privately warned Obama. All of this is to say that the Democrats are complicit in negligent in having a full throated office wide grassroots supported Movement for election hacking election security. It's just like a voter ID. It's just like Jeremiah during like the giant bag of tricks, the dark arts, the GOP. To Steal Elections election acting is central to all that, and it's so odd to me that the Democratic Party that prides itself on being innovative was verse Social Media President and and the first social media, White House and all of it. It's so mind it's just so infuriating that they can't wrap their heads around election security as being central to all of their vote protection work. Well, yeah. What Students Spoon Omar? Who was a his head? While he's a security expert who was a witness in that two thousand and four case. What he says is that For example, Max Cleland who unexpectedly lost his race win. Georgia moved became the first state in the country to use paper lists, which is to say unaccountable an auditable touch screen voting machines in two thousand two. He very much unexpectedly lost his race to a confederate flag defender and apparently. Spoon, more people that he knows spoke with people who know him and he didn't want to be the person who told Americans their votes don't count. As. Just a lot of pressure and I think it Democrats want to. They want there to be trust in institutions. Maybe they just felt like they had it under control because. that it was just like a minor nuisance when Obama. Won twice. But the truth is if hackers actually helped him succeed the second time and in violent two thousand. Eight. If, Karl, Rove really was involved in orchestrating this these things and there's not enough transparency for anyone to really prove this. But if he was I, mean he was defendant in an active lawsuit in two thousand eight as was the guy that built the backup server who according to spoon more with feeling extremely guilty and considering. Saying something a trial in that case had he lived long enough to make it to the trial and all does sound very conspiratorial unfortunately. Those are the facts and those are those are what we know. We don't know the ultimate whether. I guess whether it's true that there was that there was an orchestrated. After that, I, think people think hacking is little more exotic than it is and that makes it maybe more scary in some ways I I interviewed Don. Siegelman who might make a really great guests for you has a new book out that he was the governor, a Democratic governor of. which also actually, they actually had paper ballots. In two thousand for his race and what happened. He was one of the most popular politician all time. In Alabama, he had been governor Lieutenant Governor. Secretary of State and Eiji, and he was running for reelection and the polls suggest that he would win and he was running against a guy who's campaign manager was. Close. With Karl Rove Karl Rove was very much all over Alabama at that time by the way I, believe this was before he moved to Texas. and. On election night, Siegelman was declared victorious and they post the results outside the courthouse. And after everyone was told to go home and go to sleep in other set of results was posted outside the courthouse. It removed six thousand votes from his total in this one county and a very Republican county which changed the it didn't change the outcome of county that it changed the outcome of the overall race. So that is opponent one and then Karl Rove's client also happened to be Alabama a GE and they seized the paper ballots so that before there could be a recount and certified the results. And I think it's And, then of course, the part that got the most attention really was the back that then His upon the same opponents. Manager's wife was a US attorney and they came up with this sort of redefined and expanded the definition of. Bribery to include situations where you don't get any personal benefit in the May also retin witnesses to pretend they were sort of this would pro quo when there really wasn't and they locked him up for five years and an incredible amount of prosecutors around the country from both parties. But I almost want to say more Republicans saw that is an extreme abuse of power and an injustice and a whistle blower who was a Republican. Came forward I believe about and being locked up in was very suspicious about the result and said that she wants heard Karl Rove stay that you could rig an election as long as final polls were within three percentage points that election it makes it in some ways it makes it more scary. But in some ways, it makes it less scary. It doesn't have to be. You know these masked crusaders or international cohorts it can be spe- sleazy political operatives shifting some boats here there and be more on our toes about about machines that don't allow recounts, and then even when we get the paper ballots, the GOP doesn't let us get request. So it they they screw us both ways and we need to really be tuned abuse patterns so that we can thwart it. In twenty twenty and beyond right. There's a great documentary on what you just described of the the Don Siegelman case it's called Abacus versus the architect, the political assassination of Don Siegelman, and you can watch that now on Amazon and in fact, while listening to you, I feel like a really good headline for this interview should be Karl Rove walked. So manafort could run the Jenny cone interview. Could be. Yeah. I just you guys talk a lot about lack of accountability and the same as really true with Karl, Rove. So apparently Eric holder is the one who I mean. This is what I believe. Don. Told me when I interviewed him that it was Eric holder was the one who decided. Advocates for protect who decided not to. Prosecute Karl Rove for defying a congressional subpoena? Dear. So around it was kind of all lumped together. There were several things going on with Karl Rove but right one was I believe twenty million missing e mails from the Bush administration rage the Democrats never made an issue that and then right hillary became the missing email lady later on to such a it's such a frustrating situation because feels like the Democrats are digging their own grave by not prosecuting these prior administrations or even just investigating their crimes but they're. Throwing the rest of us in that grave with them, they're digging the grave of democracy and I that's one of the things that I just don't understand is that there is no future for them or for this country unless you actually have a transparent process of oversight Accountability Prosecution for those who've been deemed guilty INTRODUC-, any of that as possible moving forward when we have the current administration, which overtly flaunts disregard for the rule of law. I don't know that it is true that the hindsight is twenty twenty I think about very much trying to unite the country, and so he didn't want to go into the crimes of the Bush administration and Eric holder was maybe just a really bad choice. To, be part of the administration because I believe he was with the law firm that previously represented Karl Rove that would have to be fact checked I could be wrong but there was some bizarre connection there. There was full voter fraud myths started really with Karl Rove. That was what the firing of US attorneys under the Bush administration was about the political firearms was that some of these attorneys didn't want to perpetrate this myth. And so the idea was that they were firing them for political improper purposes and there was an investigation where they were supposed to get the Bush administration emails and the Bush administration was using private email server hosted by smart tech, the that received the two, thousand, four Ohio results and They claim that they couldn't find them like it was something like twenty million emails. I believe that's the number and they just couldn't find them but the Obama administration later found them. And crew had actually done a public records request for them but holder. Some kind of agreement just to give them like a teeny tiny handful like a random batch and. The rest never saw the light of day but in Russia these things if you don't accountability to have a way of coming that you because Russia Act Smart Tech in twenty fifteen. All the Bush administration emails including Karl Rove's. Private emails and it had received US two thousand four election results. So I don't know what exactly Russia got hold of when it had smart tech there're lots of stuff smart tech had. But the potential for Kompromat is immense and there are a lot of people who were sort of disdainful. Of at Grove was exactly never trump he was disdainful and now he kinda works for him. You just have to wonder. Though whatever they got from smart tech was never released, which implies. Can Be used as leverage going forward I still have hope because actually hearing that Peres hackers consistently on the case gives me some hope we don't know that though we don't. We don't even I mean the can't I mean that's the thing is sort of like this. That's why Batman Exist says a story because human nature wants to believe that there's someone somewhere looking out for us and doing good and having all the resources like bat cave and a Batmobile to do it. So we don't know though they were there but whether they can do anything is another question in two, thousand and four. So I just went back the other day and reread it more and If you're able to. A ground game. That's very I interviewed Jonathan Stein is the author of the Book Code. Red. Who spoke with the guy he says a guy who claimed and again these are it could be people in our chain but he spoke with a guy claims you know the guy who infiltrated. Two Thousand and four operation and apparently yeah. He he he actually got in on the ground and that's very different than what typically would be able. To, occur especially, if now we're talking about a foreign nation having joined our little party here in the United States with with elections, we don't know how many people are insiders systems there could be lots of people having a party and you know shifting vote this way. Now we're GONNA shift them that we're going to shift them this way. So I don't know I have hope because you know I. Well, I'm not certainly not known whatever accused me of being an optimist, but I'm just not in the predictions business I. Don't know why you guys are better at that most people make predictions are a wrong. You know the majority of the time and I don't want to be one of those people and. I hope that overwhelming turnout could make a difference and I did a really detailed article with tips on maximizing our chances for having our votes counted. No matter how you choose to vote whether it's vote by mail or vote in person or Touch linked will link to those tips in our show notes for this interview because it's a must read guide on how individuals how to take the power back in their own hands to be vigilant and take measures necessary to secure their vote it's on us. and. So I want to ask you what has been done since two thousand sixteen to secure elections has there been any improvement that you've seen yet I mean apparently, Albert sensors have been attached to some machines which would not for attacks but rather let you know that there was at least an attempted infiltration. Maybe even let's you know if there was an actual breach, the problem is I don't know I think most state systems got them but I don't know if that's just their voter registration systems or if that extends to their election management systems, which again, this election management systems are like the centralized treasure chest if you're a hacker. For Vote the voting part of the operation because they provide the programming for all of the voting machines and cabiner state, and then they also include the central tabulates. I that aggregate the precinct totals. So I don't know if there's Albert's censor there and even if they are. We are now at the mercy of. Whoever is in charge of somebody telling us? They're making these things classified and you know they're having nondisclosure agreements in Florida about what they've done or not done to secure elections and about whatever breaches occurred in two thousand sixteen. You asked me at the very beginning what we know about twenty sixteen and I'm sorry I. Diverted but I mean, we know that Actually made a quick list that they targeted all fifty states. If they breached to three election service providers, the only one the only name we have is VR systems which was an electronic poll book and Voter Registration System. Company. And still is around they breached voter registration systems in Florida Illinois and Arizona. We know that the F. B. I can't say if voter data was changed or not, but the media is misogynous in it's becoming. No voter data was changed. Vote Tallies changed We know that they were in a at least from shiners book that they were any position to alter vote tallies. I would think if that was untrue, the Obama Administration would have issued a statement About his book being false and haven't done that. we know that no one knows the vote tallies were changed knowing that they did not monitor most of the county election systems. We know there was no well as far as we know, there was no forensic analysis D H s said it had conducted one and did not. Intend to conduct one we know there was no meaningful handri count and so that is pretty much what we know on reality winners contribution as as well. Right the leaked NSA documents showing that they accessed that access voter registration rolls. Yeah, I mean the fact that that document has just been hanging out there in cyberspace while reality winner is behind bars I mean that to me seems like an enormous story and it is just untouchable very few people very few mainstream reporters are outlets. We'll even discuss the fact that she's in there even while you know, Flynn Manafort and Cohen and the rest are all going free like can you comment on her case and what that means? I'm a huge supporter of releasing reality winter I mean I think it's pretty clear. She violated the law, but you know there. Should be some proportionality because she sort of like a conscientious. What is the term as a conscientious objector? Yeah. I mean, she did it for the greater good. The larger crime was the attack on our election system and the cover up of the attack on election system. So did it thread that I'm going to make into a medium article talked about doing it for years but I really went through the time line and there was very much a cover up at least in the court of public opinion by the trump administration saying that there had been media reports of Russia attacking. Our election infrastructure, but he called it fake news. So the actual physical NSA report was really the only thing that type of thing the actual internal report was the only thing that could debunk. Trump's fake news claims. I mean the media was had reported something had happened, but it wasn't enough to break through that fake news allegation and she broke through that and I think she's a hero for for doing that and I. Don't think we would know what little we do know but for her but I also want to say when I read that document carefully that she released did not say it was just voter registration systems it talked about websites and networks and I, noticed it at the time and I think I have a tweet somewhere saying why is everyone saying? You know this is just just voter registration. After reading shiners book. There was something a line in there. I'll have to find the quote that they purposely kept it. They they didn't want people to know that might extend to the actual. Tallies am I actually think things are a lot worse in some ways. By the way as we head into twenty twenty and one specific way, there's a pattern that has very concerned. We do know that domestic actors and corrupt insiders can obviously wreak havoc on elections. May or may not have done. So in the past that if we if we really do have having joined the party for nations having joined the party. They use the Internet in particular as a weapon, and that's how they apparently attack Ukraine's election system in two thousand fourteen and actually change the reported results and one thing that has occurred to me is that we have really since two thousand sixteen. We have actually significantly expanded our internet connectivity of creasing systems since the two thousand sixteen election and that has me hopping down worried an in the two specific ways that we have done. This is these new. Cellular Modems in precinct ballot scanners because Michigan has them as well. They didn't have them in twenty sixteen. Now they have them and God knows what other states might have them. It is not the majority of the country by any means, but we now have Florida Michigan and Wisconsin. The good news is I've been talking to people who have tried to organize some action on getting them removed on the ground protests and that sort of thing in those three states. In, one of them talked to a, who says it out there absolutely is still time to remove the modems. It would not be a difficult thing to do and so. But I'm very very worried about it and then The other thing is This electron pull books is like a new fad they've been around for years, but they weren't popular. It was jurisdictions typically used Hey Paul. Bucks at the polling place now suddenly and partly because of the move to early voting, which airs electronic check in computers, you can't update in real time whether someone has already voted or not during. With April, it's just not logistically feasible but on election day, they're now using them as well where they are these electronic ones and it's unnecessary and oftentimes they are connecting them to Wi fi or bluetooth, which is incredibly Huckabee'll and so they they they're using them now not just as part of the voter registration checking system but to activate the new touch screen voting machines and that is just weird. And they're making them effectively heart of the voting system. So they are using them to encode the cards that start the voting machines. And we don't know what is going into that encoding. And at the most simplistic level, if you had rolling blackouts now Alah Bellarusse. If you had rolling blackouts during our election in targeted areas, you wouldn't be able to activate those voting machines. So even if you had back in April pull books, you didn't have backup hand marked paper ballots it would not be able to vote and that is worse that is a worse situation than we were in previously not enough people. Have Woken up to it or are talking about it, and there is time for some action on this but only if it kind of goes viral. So did my tips sheep. That's start is identifying it and those two things that wireless modems and these on election day we can't do anything about it during early voting, they're necessary but on election day I don't think we should be using these electric club at all and if we do use them, we need backup everything and I can guarantee you. There are many places that are GONNA go there. Like the titanic without the backup paper anything because that's exactly what happened in Los Angeles, County Liberal County they were done enough to do it on election day. They have a set that actually makes it impossible to have backup paper pull these vote anywhere. Centers are bad bad bad election day. And Georgia didn't have backups either and was chaos in both places. WHO's getting rich off of voting machines any members of Congress? Are they getting lobbing money in other things? They're not getting rich off of it a lot of them do get donations the biggest. Chunk that I've seen is is s donating thirty thousand dollars since twenty thirteen see the republican state leadership committee but that's not a huge number I think what happens is family members may make donations and Sachin. We we don't really know what happens under the table but. A lot of this is two hundred, the table. So for example, in Philadelphia. Yes and has did make contributions through its lobbyists to the decision makers who against the advice of experts and voting rights. Advocates bought these new touch screen machines rather than and marked paper ballots and city comptroller conducted investigation. And she discovered that there had been undisclosed donations made to decision makers one Democrat Philadelphian in one Republican, and it would have been grounds to terminate the contract. Of course, they didn't terminate it, and so that's the crappy system. They have had all kinds of problems touchscreen systems I just don't recommend them they when you often hear about touchscreens flipping your vote, that's because it's A. And calibration problems and. Miss calibration the the vendor of these systems in Pennsylvania Rep. I saw video where he's assuring everyone before the election Scott before they bought them scout's honor their never miss calibration is not an issue anymore. Well, guess what it was something like a third of the machines were MIS calibrated I. Don't know that it was deliberate I doubt it. It's a pretty visible. Problem. Why would you do something visibly when you can do it invisibly, but maybe you would I don't know but it can be miss calibration can be either deliberate or unintentional typically it's unintentional but Kim Zetter wrote an article long ago. She's a really great cyber security journalist which said that can be done deliberately. So anyway that's my tip sheet Sou- which is to request a hand marked paper ballot, and if you use a touch screen there certainly are strategies to minimize the risks of it. The main one being to bring completed sample ballot with you to the polls and use it as a Chichi. To, compare against the paper printout from those touchscreens, which is the only thing that could be used in in a manual auditor recount you want to make sure that it accurately reflects what you intended and note down ballot races in particular have been deleted or changed because. Studies show that ninety three percent of those changes would go unnoticed by voters, which is an invitation for both fraud and error, and you want to have an accurate auditor recount if you get one and so it's really a no brainer to bring your completed sample ballot. That was the conclusion of this study by the way is that everyone should bring either have completed slater voters or sample about the only thing that brings up the ability to accurately verify these printouts is having a cheat sheet with you. But no one's really messaging it except for me. So now I am so now you can this shouldn't be on you to fix this massive problem. There should be some central command system supported by both leading parties and all secretaries of state to say, this is an acceptable. We should not be having a national debate of whether our vote tally was hacked in two thousand sixteen. There should be zero debate. So let's let's tie up all these loose ends and have a paper trail hand marked paper ballots, and let's Full confidence in the security of our elections, it should just be a central command doing this. It shouldn't be on grassroots, activists and independent journalists among the most zealous advocates. No one can agree on what emphasize which is part by just started doing it on my own on twitter because I couldn't take it anymore. Certain things seemed is knee and all the arguing bickering stuff that often occurs in the groups I couldn't take it there a serious misinformation problem. So this sort of some people with blue check marks. are of that mentality that you put trust in elections. Ahead of trustworthy elections on that transparency is dangerous and we should try to handle it behind the scenes and some of them I believe are well-meaning. A JUST WANNA try to handle it as best. They can behind closed doors and not inform the public and I'm just adamantly in the other camp. The problem is so you know there's one guy who works with a lot of election officials. He's on the Michigan, Secretary of states that she's a democrat. He's on her committee that he testified boating she's never connect Internet. And he was working with election officials in Wisconsin. So either he holds himself is an expert either he didn't know himself, which is scary that these cellular modems connect to the internet or was lying I think maybe he didn't know he was telling a falsehood he spread it far and wide, and he advises Propublica, which is very respected. Obligations. So their election division uses him as an adviser. And he is very much of the. you know putting the trust ahead of trustworthiness and he is very much. Let us handle it behind closed doors and he sees it. I believe I can't read his mind, but he appears to see it as his job to make election officials. Look good. Even when they screw up or even if they screw up and certainly there are many well-meaning election officials and we don't want them all quitting. We don't want that also mistakes being made and. I think we're seeing from reality winner to some of Kim Zetter reporting by the way on these modems nothing changes with the sometimes the public. The the light of day is the only thing that makes people change their ways. So for example, she reported that these receiving end systems in Wisconsin receiving end systems to these wireless Modems County Central tabulates that received the transmissions. They had been left online for months or years in some cases, and she told election officials in Wisconsin and they did nothing they left them there until she said. Maybe, somebody told them that and they did nothing until she said, she was going to write it up in an article and then they took them offline. So. I think we really are at the point where. We need the transparency, but we have so many actors out there that have it the opposite philosophy and they start to convince themselves, and then they convince maybe the people they didn't mean to convince falsehoods. Yeah. And what's this quote? Unquote experts name that that advises Propublica, his name, the guy in Michigan David Becker. He knows he said that voting machines never connect to the Internet, and at this point, he has to know that that's false and there was a retraction So and he stopped for some reason election land has decided to still use him. It was sort of the central false talking point after the two thousand, sixteen election it's not like a minor little subtlety. No of course not. So I don't think I'd being too particular, but there was another you know blue checkmark who's quite popular. Sort of an adult in the room who actually blocked me when I asked him in a direct message why he was continuing to put on a reporter who had spread disinformation after the two thousand sixteen election and he called me zealot and blocked me for it. You know I thought it was a fair question because it's the same people who lead everyone to think. It just wasn't even on the table. The vote tallies might have been changed. Those same people are going to all of these paid. Orense you know there's there's a whole industry around. Election had suppose that election integrity with the really large well, funded groups have all these they're. You know they have all these these these seminars and People tend them and they have these blue checks and the same people who misled deliberately or otherwise unknowingly but they're still the ones who Maybe slightly less that they're still the ones to whom the mainstream media goes and a whole these events and some of their coverage is still up. And I'm seeing this rewriting of the two thousand, sixteen election people more and more people saying while at least we know the vote tallies weren't changed their and we need an accurate historical record if nothing else because I hope we win this election in November if we don't though we need an accurate historical record. So someone someday can try to figure out what was downfall and try to move past. Tried it. Yeah exactly I mean where it went wrong we've said so many times on this show that an informed public is a powerful public and what's remarkable about this situation is the diversity of groups that seemed to be trying to take away this power from the public, the power of information of transparency. You obviously see it from the trump camp and the GOP You know who are trying to protect their own interests and their own You know theft and misdeeds but you we also saw with the intercept and Glenn Greenwald you know when reality, winner. Sent in that document to them and they released it in a way that she could be identified and arrested, and we also see it from you know Obama administration officials and members of the Democratic National Committee who who would be defined more as centrists or centrist liberal. We see it sometimes from leftists who are very adamant that Hillary Clinton lost this election on her own lack of merit in their can't possibly be any other explanation there can't be you know Russian interference there can't be election tampering like so many people are committed to this narrative for their. Own reasons that they just don't even want to look at the evidence in front of them in that I think is you know one of the most damaging things about where we are as a country because you know facts supersede your political position. It is alarming when people who hold such different political positions can unite in defiance of the facts and in defiance of investigation and in defiance of the People's own right to know what their government is doing and to know whether they do have a voice in that government whether we really do have representative government i. Mean what bigger question is there and it's so offensive to me that people don't even want to try to answer it. So I'm glad I'm grateful that you've persisted because I know the abuse that you get and others get it comes from all sides and it's annoying as hell. Yes. Thank you. There are some who on the left to there's one very popular account all sunshine and roses publicly very popular. She's an author, her books and she told me I'm doing the devil's work I know who this says she said I was doing the devil's work to. She Elsa a Russian agent so it's not exactly sunshine and roses. I'm in I'm a Russian agent there there is a great fear that That this type of thing will reduce turn out that I don't think it's been substantiated by studies, and if it hasn't actually would be very curious to see them and whether giving solutions in empowering voters as I tried to do with things that they can do to mitigate these risks. Whether that changes the calculus but. I mean I always do try to give here's what you can do but. I mean there is a real legitimate concern about not wanting to reduce turn out I. Just don't know that the evidence is there that it would, and in fact, at sue halpern a great journalist at the New Yorker published this piece for she cited a Harris Hall it's just a Paul. It's just one poll, but it showed that were at least before the two thousand, eighteen midterm voters said they were more likely to vote because they were concerned about. Hacking Yeah I think we saw that in two thousand, eighteen, the mass turnout in two, thousand, eighteen, I think was based on two things. One was desire for accountability and for the nightmare to end. But also great concern that the Republicans were going to toy with the results of this election and I think they were listening to people who said overwhelming turnout is one of the key mechanisms of retaining your own power and we have always been very adamant. Vote vote and overwhelming numbers check your voter registration information for you. Go all of these safety tips but people like to put this narrative out there. You know I've been accused over and over like Sarah said, don't bother to vote because there's corruption I'm like, no, you vote because there's corruption you vote to try to get people in who will in late the corruption and you vote because it's your right and people fought hard for that right but yeah, there's propaganda operation I mean there are multiple propaganda operations and then I think just you know other things. Going on people don't WanNa admit that this is possible. They also don't WanNa deal I think with the repercussions of we'll wait what if our Congress was not legitimately elected? What does that mean for core appointments? What does that mean for other political appointments and policies that were voted on by what would be illegitimate actors? I mean it's just a whole can of worms a no one wants to open it I understand that on principle but we're at the point where we're lurching right into flown fascism This is the time you know we've got nothing to lose. We need total honesty. I think to remain a flow and you know no agency and no individual has jurisdiction over the truth. You know the truth is the truth and the truth needs to be told and I. There is this irony that a lot of journalists are are trained and parentally so that they don't want to report on speculative claims so they can. Suggestion that outcomes might not be legitimate speculative and I. Actually sort of I don't agree with it really that I can sort of see what they're saying. But with they miss is that the official results that they are reporting are also completely speculative because merrythought because we don't allow that in our country and that is the story and I think there has been headway but the story is that we don't have a system that allows us to verify these outcomes and that's the subtle middle ground that they're missing. They think it has to be one or the other, and they are reporting on unverified claims of who won the election that is also unverified. It's not just the cheating is unverified. The whole thing is one final question what policies need to be enacted state-by-state nationwide to fully secure our elections for November or I don't have faith that we can push as much as we can for November but I would just say term so we can formulate some sort of lamb or the same actually I mean the the one thing I don't think we can. We can't get before November which is so important is a requirement of robust manual audits with a transparent chain of custody between election night in the audit is an absolute must and it has to be required and we still don't have it. But we also need a meaningful paper trail to conduct. Most voters hand marked paper ballots or voters with disabilities. It's okay to use a touch screen at the touch screens have just have too many. Risks Associated with them to use as a primary system at the polling place. We need not have those modems in the you know internet connectivity with our precinct equipment. We need to not have remote access software we need backup paper everything. So backup paper pull books. If you're going to use electronic poll books, I would say to use them at all on election day because even with the backups he often are trained to use. ACA they're still mass chaos and disenfranchisement even when they technically could have used the emergency protocols, they don't have to do it. And We need. Those are sort of be main provisions I think we need that provisioned at some sort of a right to know law. About breaches and it gets tricky because. You don't want. An investigation but I think now we have a system where everything is classified and people assume there must be some big investigation it's going to uncover. Get to the bottom of things and if they ever get to the bottom of things, we don't get to know. Said there has it. It's a tricky piece of legislation to right when it comes to telling the public about breaches at there has to be some kind of protocol. Requiring that transparency I mean I. think it's just really crucial and. In the meantime. There are things that increase transparency. So it protect our votes, dot com, which is the group that I'm in. It's our website. We are doing a photograph in a precinct results to compare to report it totals, and if you look in Belarus, there were people the voters. Living in a dictatorship a understand that results have a way of changing between the precincts and what's reported later and their focused doing photographs themselves. Unfortunately, ballot southeast are illegal at the precincts in most US jurisdictions. Because of vote-selling concerns about votes selling an undue influence but. Totals themselves come out of the machines and. Say for sure those totals themselves are accurate but we can at least mixture they don't change on routes to the county and state. and. So that is not all not all actions post. Their these they're called poll tapes, their precinct results outside on election day and I think that should be requirement that they all do that. So that would be a really good start the pay back to the safe act written by Ron Wyden where. Starts toward meaningful election security legislation, and just I think it would need to be expanded a bit to include electronic poll book some kind of something for that because that is just a new rat that is going to catch a lot of people flat-footed I think in November. All right. Well, thank you, As we said, we're going to put a link to your article full of. Chips information for voters on our Patriot page. Is there anything else that you want to promote while you have the gasoline nation floor? Well, my twitter handle at Jenny Cohen Wine J. E. N. Y.. C.. O. H. Mine and Also has library that I put together good sources in that. Many of the articles most of them I'd say that I have found. 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20200610 Nicole Sandler Show - Our Surveillance State with Jason Leopold

The Nicole Sandler Show

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20200610 Nicole Sandler Show - Our Surveillance State with Jason Leopold

"The following program content graphic material including offensive language. Your this question is advised. She's got the news. She talks with news. Makers encourages us to laugh. And she cries with US speaking truth to power, and Questioning Authority daily. It's the Nicole Sandler show. Hello and welcome to A. One day. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to you live on progressive voices network along with Nicole Sandler Dot Com and Youtube and facebook live periscope, and you know. However you have found US welcome to the show it's another crazy day in America a lot going on in a lot to deal with today coming up our guest on today's program is my friend Jason. Leopold Jason is senior investigative reporter at Buzzfeed News and he is broken. So many stories including a big one just last week. As we were watching the insanity going on around the protests, and and the police response to the protests Jason. Leopold broken new story about new sweeping surveillance powers that were given. To The DA. The DA the Drug Enforcement Administration. Really. The the DA is supposed to only have powers to. Deal with with drug charges the, but so so we'll get the whole story from Jason. There have been developments in the story since last week when. The story broke but Jason Leopold is the guy that the government has nicknamed the Foia Terrorist. See. This is a problem because Jason. Leopold is a journalist and a really damn good one, and he's mastered the art of the Foia. Requests Foia Freedom of Information Act it is a legal process by which not only journalists, but citizens can obtain information because allegedly here on the United States. We have some level of of transparency or we're supposed to do anyway. Boy How things have changed. Since well since that that was supposed to be the the basis on which the nation was formed. Yeah, but not so much. So we'll speak with Jason I got a lot of news to go through, and I realized that yesterday I was so wound up that I, never got to a funny. You know those of you who are new to the program. Because now we're live at five welcome I liked to try to start the show or somewhere in the opening moments of the program to play something. That that brings forth a laugh or two, because invariably things get kind of serious throughout the course of the hour and. No laughter is really good medicine. So what I've stumbled upon is during the course of this pandemic, a number of. Really creative people around the world who have been making really fun. Funny parody videos. And so I came across this one guy who's in South Africa who is a recording artist to his real name is David Scott, but he goes by the professional name of the Kipness K. I F F any S, and he's made some incurred. The regular listeners of the program could tell you he's made some of the most amazing parody songs videos. because. He is a musician. He's a working musician and I think his. Format of basically like electric music, but he's done some incredible song parodies I put a link on the blog today along with you know put in today's video as well. I'll post the whole thing, so you can see it. Those of you who are just listening perhaps on progressive voices and don't see the video feed I will make sure. To share that with you and so anyway. The. Kipness has been kinda quiet for the last three weeks. I think he might have gotten to a little bit of hot water. He recorded a version of the. He's in South Africa. If I didn't already say that of the South African, national anthem and a couple of video, showing that. Something Weird was going on anyway, so it had been about three weeks in this guy's really prolific, and then finally today sure enough. A new video from the kipness popped up on my. Computer screen, and I was so happy to see it, and this one is really good in it works. I've I've hesitated to play a comedy bit in the last few days because our situation is so dire. George Floyd was buried was laid to rest yesterday. I certainly, and that's probably why it imply one because there was just nothing appropriate for the occasion, but this one this new one from the kipness. Is really good, and it fit the mood that we're all experiencing right now. So with no further ado and yes, I will post it for those of you. Who Only hearing the audio feed? That's good enough. But the video adds another element to it so I will post on the blog after the show at Nicole Sandler Dot, com you can always find the days podcast on my blog with at Nicole Sandler dot com slash the date so for today it would be six Dash Ten dash twenty. That's that's simple. And I post every day. Show there, so if you missed it when it's happening, you can always get there and the usual podcasts. APPS as well all right I'm I'm delaying and I. Don't know why 'cause. It's really really good so with no further ado. Take it away the kipness. Hey. This month, being A. Come September twenty two. Starts. We can start Hey. The friend! Committee. You. Can. Be. Sane. and. Show. That it's. Up. Don't be. Mad. Amber? In. You. This. Hey. How awesome was that Hey June? June. Yes, the kipness. You can find his channel on Youtube and again he makes these wonderful parodies in that one I think fit the mood perfectly aren't there's a lot of news to get to today? we will in a moment, but again as we started yesterday. We're trying something. A new because we are streaming on the Progressive Voices Channel Live now at five o'clock eastern every day so we're. We're running commercials on that stream, so fingers crossed. Let's give it a shot again. We'll take a very quick break. And We'll be right back on the progressive. Voices Network. All right I think progressive voices is in spots right now, so while while it's just you and me. Oh and I should run a timer, so I know when a few minutes is up and I can. End The the spots and and get back to this, but but it's us so by the way. Should you care to call in? I, know somebody. We had a very somebody who has persistently calling yesterday. But it wasn't working the way it works on this program basically anytime during the first half hour. If. You've got a burning comment to make feel free to call in a loan. My own producer engineer board up everything I. Don't have anyone screening phone calls, but if you WANNA call in you can nine, five, four, eight, eight, nine, six, four one. Oh, is the number, or you can skype June Nicole Sandler. If I, answer your call I I will take it live if I don't you know well, it's just because I'm busy in something else so I'll tell you what while we are awaiting for the progressive voicestream to come back. I WANNA. Share with you. Something that I watched. Some of There was a hearing this morning. A hearing in the House Judiciary Committee. about? Racial profiling and police, violence and George Plant George Floyd's brother. Knees I think is how you pronounce. His name spoke very passionately, and eloquently made five minutes statement. That's about all I saw of the uring today, but I want to share with you some of what he said. This is a man who has not been in the spotlight before certainly has never testified before a congressional committee about anything serious as police, brutality, and certainly the death of a family member, but here's a little bit of what felonies floyd had to say today to the House Judiciary Committee was our gentle giant. I was reminded. Reminded of that when I watched the video of his murder, he out of his third, he was mild manner. He didn't fight back. He listened to all the offices the man who took his life who suffocated him for eight minutes and forty six seconds. He still call them serve as he begged for his life. I can't tell you the kind of pain. You feel when you watch something like that. When you watch big brother, who you looked up to your whole entire life, di Di big boys, mom, I'm tired. Harper tired of pain. Paying. You feel when you watch something like that. When you watch big brother, who'd you looked up to for your whole life? Da Da begging for his mom. I'm here to ask you to make it stop. Stop the pain. Stop US being tired. George Carl for help and he was ignored. Please listen to the cow. I'm making to you now. To the calls about family and the cows ringing off the streets across the world, people of all backgrounds genders erases, have come together to demand change. On it him. On a George Yeah make the necessary changes that make law enforcement the solution. And not the problem. Hold them accountable when they do something wrong. Teach them what it means to treat. People with empathy and respect teach them what necessary forces teach them that their poor should be used rarely, and only when life they risk George wasn't hurting anyone that day. He didn't deserve to die over twenty dollars I'm asking you is that what a black man is worth twenty dollars like breaking? This is twenty twenty enough is enough. The people marching in the streets are telling you enough is enough by the leaders. That is our country. The world needs the right thing. The people elected you to speak for them to make positive change Georgia's named mean something. You have an opportunity here today to make your name me something to his death end up changing the world for the better and I think it will. Then he died as he lived. It is to make sure his death is not in vain. Again. That was felonies Floyd George Floyd's. Who made a point to mention during his remarks today that he is now the older brother. George was his big brother. He's now the big brother of the family. It's heartbreaking. It's just just horribly sad. But. At least the family I mean they have this feeling that their brother is changing. The world has changed the world. Will change the world. Now just a couple of weeks or a week even or a few weeks? I'm sorry before. George Floyd was murdered at the hands of the Minneapolis police four of them anyway for members of the Minneapolis Police Department. a woman in Louisville. Kentucky was gunned down in her own home now we've talked about Brianna Taylor before. In fact, it was her birth. She would have been twenty seven last week. And today finally three months after Louisville Metro. Police officers fatally shot Brianna Taylor in her apartment. The department has released the incident report from that night. And it is disgusting. It's almost entirely blank. I'm reading to You from the Louisville Courier Courier Journal. Who writes the four page? Report lists the time date, case, number, instant, location, and the victim's name. Brianna Shaquille Taylor as well as the fact that she is was a twenty six year old black female. The, article points out that redact her the her address, the street number apartment, number and date of birth, all of which have been widely reported. And here's where it gets really. Horrible. It List Sir injuries as quote none. None even though she was shot at least eight times and died on her hallway floor in a pool of blood. It lists the charges as death investigation l., M. PD involved, but it checks the no box under forced entry, even though officers used a battering Ram ten knock in her apartment door, using a no knock warrant. It also lists under the offenders portion of the report. The three officers who fired insider, her poor, her apartment, Sergeant John Mattingly Forty seven years old miles cosgrove forty two and Brett Hankinson forty four. But the most important portion of the report, the narrative of events that spells out what happened on March thirteenth has only two words. P., you investigation. And the rest of the report has no information filled in at all. Of course, I had to look up what I you. Investigation Means Public Integrity Unit. seriously. The editor of the newspaper that I'm reading to You from the Louisville Courier Journal said I read this report and I have to ask the mayor, the police chief and the city's lawyers. Are you kidding? This is what you consider being transparent to tax payers in the public. And then he continued at a time when so many are rightfully demanding to know more details about that tragic march evening? I fail to understand this lack of transparency. The public deserves more. Again this happened about twelve forty, a m Taylor and her boyfriend Kenneth. Were Asleep in bed when the three plainclothes officers use this, no knock warrant. Signed by district. Judge Mary Shaw to enter her home as part of an alleged narcotics investigation. The officers say although it's not on the incident report. They say they announced their presence, but her boyfriend Kenneth Walker and several neighbors say did not Walker his said he thought intruders were trying to break in and fired a warning shot that struck one of the officers mattingly in the leg. Mattingly her. Hankinson and Cosgrove are now on administrative, reassignment. Pending the investigation. The detective who requested the warrant somebody named Joshua. Jane's has also been reassigned, but that's about all we know. And, the lawyer, John Fleiss Shankar. WHO's the council for the newspaper and one of the principal authors of the state's open records law that requires the release of public documents in all, but extremely rare circumstances, said this document as proof that Elham. Louisville, Metro Police Department continues to make a mockery of transparency under the Fisher amendment. He said there's been a consistent policy and practice of refusing to tell the public. What is going on with the police? Regardless of how inappropriate the the officer conduct has been even when it was criminal as in the Ellen PD explorer case. So. The the Courier Journal, the newspaper is suing the police department seeking the immediate release of the of the Department's investigative file in the shooting. Something else was released. And, that's the nine one one call. Placed by Kevin Walker. Brianna Taylor's boyfriend. But it was only released by the police department after one of Taylor's attorneys, families attorneys gave it to the news media now I'm going to play it for you, but I'm warning you. This is really difficult to listen to you and one of the most frustrating things when I first heard it I was screaming my daughter Wa- walked in here and said what's the matter I was screaming? Because the nine one one operator isn't even fucking paying attention to what this obviously distressed man is calling about, you'll hear, he says my girlfriend's been shot by an intruder and the operator says she responsive in you know. She responsive and he says No. And then a minute later, she asks the same question again. All right, so brace yourself. Here's that nine one one call placed by Kenneth. Kenneth Walker says name. Sorry operator heckler their emergency. On what happened? It's the body in the door inside my grocery. Located? I'll three three speed field apartment, four, three, zero, zero. Three failed Dr apartment number four. She's just last. How does your girlfriend? Girlfriend. Twenty eight. Shot it. I don't know only grow I gotta go. She's on the ground right now. He's trying to. Fix. She learned able to tie. Bedroom apartment up before. Oh My yes, he already said that you have it. Back. You thank. Angus actually twenty six. Oh my God! That's the third time he has. A row, three filth apartment number four. Okay. You've been shot at. You. Ask that already burned. If? You ask. You not listening to what he's saying. It's amazing to me the inhumanity. Nine one one operator. Can you get her turned over on her back out? A. Wide. Kenneth. Can. Can you hear me? And? Then he hung up, and then he she tried to call him back and he doesn't answer. She asked him three times how old she was! Twenty six. He asked she asked him issue responsive. Able to talk to you. He said no, and then she asked again after she again asked his age. What the? Fuck. This is unbelievable and I don't know gene is asking in the chat room. Where are the cops right now? Because they broke down the door with a battering ram. And and And came in and shot her eight times. I'm story I'm I'm. Distressed by this as we all should be, how does this happen? In America, and how are those cops? They're on administrative reassignment. Are you kidding me. I just this is US standing that this shit goes on up just astounding. And there's more to tell you about I you know. Bill Bar is having a really bad day. And that's okay with me I regarding his efforts to sorry for the quick. Change but let me share with you. This new outright and the cops went into the wrong apartment. No mention of that on the incident report either it's just sickening. Okay onto bill bar because he's thickening, too, so you know it was a couple of weeks ago. Bill Bar announced the Department of Justice wanted to just forget that whole case against Michael Flynn his conviction for perjury, lying to the FBI. and. Barth told the judge. Emmet Sullivan just dropped the charges. Let's just dismiss this and move on and Emmet. Sullivan said Hell No. I don't work for you. I'm a judge. A US district. Court judge and what he decided to do was rather than go along with bars, bullshit dismissal of the charges to which flint already pled guilty. Solve in pause the case. He said he wanted to hear from outside groups and appointed retired New, York federal judge John Gleeson to argue to represent. I guess us we the people against the DOJ's May. Seventh motion to immediately drop the prosecution. Well today there was a formal briefing to judge Sullivan by this retired Judge Gleeson and he called bars attempt to undo the conviction, a quote, gross abuse of prosecutorial power. He submitted an eighty two page opinion and Annet gleason wrote quote Flynn has indeed committed perjury in these proceedings, for which he deserves punishment, and the court has the authority to initiate a prosecution for that crime I respectfully recommend however that the court not exercise that authority rather it should take Flynn's perjury into account in sentencing him on the offense to which he has already admitted guilt. This approach rather than a separate prosecution for perjury or attempt aligns with the courts intent to treat this case and this defendant in the same way, it would any other. Yes A full hearing is scheduled. On July, sixteenth. So that happened today, but that's not all. Then twelve hundred and fifty former justice department workers today signed onto a letter to the Inspector General of the Justice Department Michael. Horowitz calling for an investigation into bars involvement in the law enforcement move if you could call it that last, Monday to push the crowd of peaceful protesters back from Lafayette Square using courses tear-gas. Yes, tear gas and Flash BANGS Quote. In particular, we are disturbed by attorney general bars, possible role in ordering law enforcement personnel to suppress a peaceful domestic protests and Lafayette Square on June I twenty twenty for the purpose of enabling. Trump to walk across the street from the White House and stage, a photo op at St John's Church, a politically motivated event in which attorney general. Bar Participated. That's a quote from this group of more than twelve hundred fifty former justice. Department officials. To to calling for an investigation. Oh poor bill bar. He's having a bad day. Be like John Oliver was toward Tucker Carlson the other not I hope you watch that club. He's having a bad i. hope he's getting some exercise or some. You know doing some yoga or doing something to. You know feel better. No. I don't fuck you. Fuck you, Bill Bar, fuck you and the horse you wrote on. All Right? We've got Jason Leopold coming up in just a moment, so let's try one more quick break. I from our friends for our friends. Whoops I gotta get the right thing up here. This is the kind of cumbersome clunky system, but you know. Hey, I'll go with the flow. will be right back again with Jason Leopold. oops hold on this one okay? On the progressive voices network. All right so while I get Jason on the line and hopefully he should be there. Let me share this with you because you know this show. Runs on your generosity. These are the sounds of crushed souls. The sounds of despair from former manager personalities. Languishing in the purgatory of corporate consolidation. These former radio personalities have lost their livelihoods not because they weren't entertaining or informative, but because they don't lead today's corporate terrestrial broadcast standards of being smelly overweight. Douche bags seething with main bobbing hatred. As radio refugees and their audiences have since migrated to the Internet. But their struggle continues as in the quest for monetization ensues Nicole. Sandler is leading the way to re-establishing thought provoking and entertaining radio, and you can help Mike living the donate button on Nicole. Sandler Dot Com donate today, or as much as often as you can dry the tears of listeners by removing the rotting stench of radio. Won't you help? I think we're back and joining us now is my dear friend. The foia terrorist nothing terrorist is. About him, Jason Leopold Jj's. Nicole. See You. In your in your whole studio setup. And it's cool to see you, too. Although there you go okay now you're moving a little bit I'm still trying all this new You know new new toys that I. have with the setup so I can bring in video now. You're seeing me from the side. You're not seeing the that's going out to the to the. Don't scream yeah. So Jason Leopold first of all. How are you guys holding up with this whole pandemic craziness bill? It's still surreal. Obviously! What surreal about it honestly is the fact that? You have to live through it, but also have to report off. So you know serving as a in these two different capacities wanted a father trying to get my kid. Masan to acclimate to go to school online at the same time. You know trying to find out what happened behind the scenes reporting on it and it's just. Surreal you know, tell you the truth. It's It's nice to be in La I. IT feels a bit more stable here if you will. It's It's just. It's been hard and the. Speed, we've actually gone furloughs of awesome, really really really really amazing journalists as as a result of this because the economic downturn, right? I saw that you you. You wrote in a message to me last night that you're saying goodbye to all these friends now did they expect that these people will eventually come back or do you think those jobs are gone? it's unclear, but it also seems unlikely I mean doesn't be like anything getting better yet. You know economically which I'm sure you and I. Can you know consider in talk about this for some time? Which is unbelievable to me to to see what's playing out in real time where you have massive unemployment academy that tanking pandemic, you know. Up Protests over police brutality, the death of George is. It feels like there's her storm. and. It's remarkable to actually even through the back to pandemic just. Knowing that. There's more than a hundred thousand people who died. And the president has as. I'm not in comment about. No no, because he's more concerned with the stock market. Then with you know the lives that are being lost and now today he's announced that starting. I guess next week. He's going to pick up start. Start doing rallies again in places like Florida and Arizona two states, where the the the the the numbers of infections are on the rise again it's. The whole thing's seen. It is and it, and it does feel insane and it's exhausting by At, the work still needs to be done. The reporting still needs to be done, so it's it's. You know got got at this point after these you have to report these stories in my personal opinion for almost for historical purposes an reasons because they are completely trying to cover up what what took place behind the scenes. What's been happening with? The documents? Say I can tell you just on the on the. Coronavirus covid nineteen pandemic I already have like two or three freedom of Information Act lawsuits against the government against a wide range of agencies in the reason I. have that is because we don't know what happened really behind the same. We need to see those documents. We need to see what the CDC. You know how they communicated with the White House Task Force. There is a lack of transparency and and the public needs to. Know, what What's been taking place? We do, but when when they do talk to us, they lie, so it's like I can't you I? Don't believe anything that comes out of this administration. Jason do you. Know. Angry! I don't believe. and honestly you know I have questions for all administrations because I never. I, never just take the word for at too high right over here. You can't see it, but I have a poster. From I F stone. Who is a former? You know a late muckraking stone. It was based on the movie poster from a- from a documentary did, but it's. It's titled All Governments Y. And you know that that's my? That's the maximum if you will that that I live by, it's you know it's. It's why I ask for documents. I want to see what they're actually saying. Right and and it should be noted that I believe it was the Obama Administration who dubbed you the foia terrorist. What yeah so this has been going on for a while. I should also mention before we get into this current story that on Friday. Former Alabama, Governor Don Siegelman will be here for the better part of our. He has a new book out called Oh and I have it in the other room almost I've got like twenty pages left stealing our democracy, and although I knew about his case, he was targeted by Karl Rove and set up and prosecute. He was like the original political prisoner in this country and. And what was done to him is just reprehensible and as I'm reading this book. It's all coming back to me and even more, because I wasn't aware of a lot of you know the machinations that went on in the in the courtroom and stuff that Karl Rove and that Bush justice. Department did to this man who was the Democratic Governor of Alabama is just unbelievable and I bring that up. Because you've had your own run INS with Karl Rove in covering him and try to right Oh. Yes I have. It's It's obviously I. It seems like a lifetime. Go that. That's a place with Don Siegelman. Yeah, I remember very well. Reporting wanted what was happening and the politicisation. That will take place. As a related, his case and Yeah just the. You know the prosecutorial the alleged prosecutorial misconduct so that. That was that was chilling. At that time, it was chilling and so when you look at what this trump administration is doing, and the the Bill Bar Justice, department, can you say it's worse than the Bush? Justice Department under Alberto Gonzales when they fired all of those US attorneys that they had appointed in the first place because they weren't doing their political bidding strongly enough I mean. Is there any difference between the two? That's a really really good question. I think is a question that has not been asked. and it's really important. I was having I just had a conversation. With a friend just moments before I. Start speaking with you and we were discussing history, and you know the fact that people don't really have right now. Good crass history now we remember what the Justice Department you know under George Bush. there was an officer legal counsel there and that off illegal council created a memorandum that essentially gave the Bush administration and the CIA the authorization to torture right so that that's right. That's bad That's that's beyond bad. That's a it's a crime. There were efforts to try to bring you know these folks up on work on. There was you know essentially ways in which they tried to twist the law to fit the intelligence or the facts. At the Justice, department ask these other agencies, but specifically the at the Justice Department. Things happened that what are arguably far worse than what's happening now? Right So. Yeah I would say that as it relates to the first turn first term of Bush's first term. It was worse it was worse because of. Of of what they actually did in terms of how it? Related to the law here. under bar. It is becoming progressively worse. What's what's important to note about? He's actually only been attorney general for a little over a year. Wow, well. This time he was not yet back in back in the nineties. You know. Yeah, he's. He has a history, but under right now, but the way in which he has. Completely turned that department on its head is just unreal and the ways in which he is apparently dealing with a Bush at trunks bidding. Is It's remarkable to see so the difference. Is that under Bush? We didn't see that. Play out so openly so publicly right right? It took years and years and years to understand how they did that. So it does make it worse now to some degree I know I sound satellite contradiction justice to see what's happening, but it's also. There's a benefit to it right meaning to because it gives you a at least an effort to to do something about it to To challenge it so Yeah, so it's it's. It's funny. One of my cases you know the. The judge presiding over my efforts to unredacted the the full mullah report. He issued an opinion essentially said that ill are cannot be trusted. Album Liar said he misled the public. Wow! This is playing out now where you know, another judge is saying that you're the Michael Flynn case should not be dismissed. I just reported on that. This is the guy that the judge Sullivan of then appointed debate, basically be the people's advocate, and to argue you know against what bill bar wants, which is complete. Dismissal of the charges against him to which he had already pled guilty, so and I just I reported on that right at the top of the show. This judge retire judge. John. Gleeson said Hell No, you need to prosecute this guy need to sentence him for what he's already been found guilty of. Right? Yeah, right so. So you can see the you know the ways in which the justice. Department is an Am Bill Maher acting as fronts, personal attorney, and it. Honestly you know to kind of use that comparison with the Bush administration it remains to be seen. What they have done that? We don't know about whether it when it comes to legal opinion, and you know any efforts that May. Pertain to national security operations that we don't know about right so and it will take time to learn that, but as we can see it playing out publicly right now, it's terrible and as I reported last week. You know the story that we don't offer That That that is one example. Let's go into it, so it was just a week ago today. I believe that you broke another big scoop your your keep doing this Jason Your reported about a memo from the DA to justice, requesting this new authority to conduct covert surveillance and collect intelligence on people participating in protests over the killing of George, Floyd and a senior Justice Department official signed off on it last week bar issued a statement in which he blamed without providing evidence, anarchistic and far left extremists using ANTIFA like tactics. Give me a fucking break so this story, the DA the DA is Drug Enforcement Administration are they supposed to be used in this manner and test spy on. No have they done it before? Yes, I have they done it. Back in. Nineteen Ninety two or earlier that when Bill Bar was? At rural yes, so. There and it's the kind of break this down for you Yeah. This is very this memo. That was prepare on May thirty first just as our gave released a statement calling. Anti and. And Protesters more or less, you know, terror right, yeah! an-and day after trump tweeted the same I check the Meta data on that Nemo admitted says it was prepared by the DA's deputy chief counsel. Robert Leeson was really important to note here. If you can see it on the story on the memo says it was a A. Address if the person who was writing it or sending rather was Timothy Shay, rank the acting administrator of the DA. He's also close. Confidante of ours is former aide of course. Also is also the US attorney that overrule other prosecutors in the Michael Flame case and went to core. And saw the dismissal of the charges against Michael Flynn. At the DA for about two weeks. Oh, my God. Of this memo is extraordinary because it's essentially grant has the Justice Department has granted the DA the sweeping new powers to. Spy On protestors to collect intelligence to essentially. Enforce any federal crime to question them to. Interrogate them There is nothing built into the memo. That protects constitutional rights. Of people participating in protests at to to? Speak Freely Exercise Their First Amendment Rights so. It appears to be. Like an operation. What I found after ordering this is that. the DA sent. Dozens of agents in Washington DC. They have agents from the Special Response Team, which is essentially the as version of Swat. Group that also or a team that also? Conducts Ducts Surveillance what they agents coming in from from Boston there may have been as many as one hundred fifty there. It's unclear. By This authority was granted to the DA for two weeks beginning on May thirty first, so it remains to be seen whether it will be extended and I think that it will likely be extended. Protests continue, so this was on. A nationwide basis is not just for DC for for Minneapolis. This is you know a a nationwide effort and it's part of a larger effort. Way. Our Bill using bill bars words. He is saying that he's. They're trying to get a law. Enforce federal law enforcement served into. The protest. In an effort to essentially try to say that there are in the protesters are are part of an organized. You Know Group They're the other well-funded, so it can support. What trump has said which is, they're terrorists? Right. My sources, and and from what I gathered just in the reporting over the past week I've seen is that they are moving quickly in that direction, and that Nicole is so unbelievably dangerous. It is Jason Leopold as I'm noticing I've got an article up here from ABC. News Intel dated last night. Intelligence bulletin warning of protest. Related violence makes little mention of quote ANTIFA which we've discussed at length here because there is no such, it's not an organization and the only way it's mentioned in here sort of like in a footnote. As an aside the. And and it's this reporting has been echoed by everyone from the nation to NPR to buzzfeed news and everyone beyond this gives. Gas Lighting pure and simple. There is no antiga doing this, and in fact when you dig into these reports, we see that it's a lot of white supremacist groups. In some cases, the clan right and they don't go there. They don't call out any right-wing nutjob organizations. They don't call out the clan or or a white supremacists as they should. Well. That's what makes this dangerous home is that they're targeting? People. Who? They're claiming are terrorists manner. A bill vars doing so without any evidence yet wrong. Out Any evidence, and essentially I. Don't know if it's it's to you know, convince their base, or or or maybe the public at large shoes unclear. On what energy is? ANTIFA ought without as you noted without mentioning the people that actually have been. Identified as infiltrating participating agencies like the FBI whether you believe the FBI or not, which you know, well known white supremacist groups, so yeah, the the the. The documents that have been released that the intelligence all kinds for example that you're citing from your. There's no evidence there. We already know that in New York the I'm people who were picked out task Russian for you know for whatever reason whether it's They were accused of a crime. They've been also by the FBI and they've been asked about their. ANTIFA ties on, so it's. There is a concerted effort to try and target is. People when I say these people I don't mean these people you are. Part of an imaginary or Dacian and. Wright. Changed her name to anti-fascists Nicole Sandler. The whole thing is just so insane there. For them to go after quote Antifa when you realize antifascist, so they're going against the people who are against Fascism yeah. Well, yes, I mean it's it. Look look what we're doing we're. We're trying to understand the insanity. That you know behind? What they're you? Why. They're doing what they're doing, right? That's what also makes it so dangerous. Okay, you want the Attorney General. The United States, using the full force, the FBI the DA, the alcohol tobacco, and Firearms ATF Department of Homeland Security. The national, guard to target prosecute. individuals who are exercising their first amendment rights. An End Jesse this memo when I looked at this memo Nicole, I was blown away the first thing I saw was. Covert surveillance and you know I immediately went into reporter mode, which was I need to get this story out. I need to a story and in the weeks since we've written the story on nearly fifty members of Congress, which includes powerful. You Know Democrats. Such as whole such as Dianne Feinstein such as. Mark Warner the vice chairman of the of the intelligence. The Judiciary Committee, How. Are you know any. They've written to to our Juche and to say essentially. This has to stop you. Demand Give us an immediate briefing which we know that that the justice. Department will just on their nose at so you know. It's it's GonNa take more than just sending a letter, but at least they've put it on notice and I think that's why it's important. This is my whole point about transparency, right? This is what I was saying at the beginning of the show, which was this is why this this this information needs to be out in the fact that we're able to get this out just. Two days after it was signed is You know I I was amazed at that because I had no idea that this exists now. We're trying to figure out if the FBI or or VHS or any other agency has similar. Authority have they been granted sweeping new? You know authorities life the right you know In the centers. You've mentioned Jerry Nadler Jerrell jerrold. Nadler heads up the chair of the House. Judiciary, committee. And Karen Bass is on is on that committee. The two of them responded Friday calling the expansion of the drug agency's powers antithetical to the American people's right to peacefully assemble and to exercise their constitutional rights without undue intrusion. They demanded that bar and Shea immediately rescind this new authority granted the DA and ask for a briefing detailing the time line and rationale for the expansion of authority. That's you know that's what I want to say, but we'll never get. That will will because they just say no. They say we're not they. They wrote. There I don't see that happen because one. I believe they've asked for that well. They ask for that to happen today, so we'll see. It's already six o'clock on the east. Coast I kinda out Yup Aweso. It'll take a follow up with With Nabire F. Feinstein in Warner. And and and the Senate Chuck Schumer in this and other senators extent that they wanted information, as of Monday or as I can tell days never received it so. Yeah, it's it's. It's again just ignoring the oversight. They're trying to perform some oversight. Ignored but Jason so in Reading Don, Siegelman book all these relations are coming up and I. I didn't realize it at the time. I didn't make the connection until. Yesterday reading this. This passage that Karl Rove did the same thing that trump flunkies are doing just refused to testify, said refuse to accept the invitation refuse to comply with subpoenas when he finally did speak, it was. Not under oath it was got the questions in advance I mean. This is nonsense and I gotta ask to the Democrats ever play hardball like this with the Republicans or do they just show up like Hillary? Clinton did to testify for eleven hours because she was asked to. I haven't seen A similar play with the Democrats I think. You know I I remember that in the Bush Years I. Remember I think it was Harry Myers. Amount mistake was White House counsel. Trying to Earth testimony but you know there was. A? White an effort to you know to block at year. It's another level because there's simply too sank. No ignore it. Penalizes ignore everything? Because what's the only mechanism to enforce it well, you know I. Send the Sergeant at arms are well, but. They're not they knew. Yeah and so they're essentially, you know it's a game of chicken. They're Pollard blossom, and that's Edney put out a bunch of press releases, but they've already tested. You know you're not ours to say in how. Is your ignoring the subpoena. Go to court. But again the point is is to try to get. Testimony in a timely manner. In. Is being dragged out, so you know there really is a A. You know the way in which the you know. The full force of the Justice Department is being used against you know citizens, and and how that's taking place right now. The and how on the one hand you know as we talked about earlier. SORTA connected, but you know seeing what the Justice Department is doing with Michael Flynn. And you have the same people now involved in trying obtaining this expanded authority to spy on citizens I mean it's it's You know all the dots connect here. Yeah. Most definitely and again and I'm seeing as as bad. We knew that the Bush administration was bad. And we know we're watching real time. Just the the undoing of norms, and just the way things have always been done that weren't previously questioned and and I. IT kills me to watch the. Democrats still play by the old rules. Part of me says well good. They're doing what they should do because we need a sense of normalcy back again, but you gotta fight fire with fire, don't you? Yeah I can understand your frustration. Right you, you're. You're seeing the ways in which you know whether it was during the Bush years. Cheney you know the way in the ways that in which these folks behaved and seeing it. Similar, similar way now, but in some ways it's also far worse and. You feel powerless. Yeah, you want them to do something but to do something that is, that is aggressive that. It is not playing chess, but his actually far more aggressive. And, you're right. They're not doing it, so it's it's. It's frustrating that they're not doing that, but people are. You know are left powerless there. That's the thing this is why. Again this gets into a whole other dynamic profligate. Talk about another time, but it's wife teeth starts to set. You start to see this happening A, and what I mean is a lack of accountability. Right go back years. There was no accountability. Not and people were just so upset because nobody was enforcing accountability W was being held accountable for for lying in the country and war. For presenting a you know a false. to to to invade. Iraq and in many many many many other things and here you know it's it's the same thing, and so that's that's what happens. People will start to tune out because they can't do anything else by. You know if there is your connection to to what's happening. With regard to the protesting I think that you know to see people go to the White House, as well That's what after look. At this point as as the only way to speak up. It's. There the you can't count on. Your elected. Representatives to? To do that at this point now. That's why we have to keep writing them to do the right thing, but look we saw. The Republicans deny the last Democratic president the right to appoint to nominate a Supreme Court justice for just about a year they held that seat open, and we don't see the the Democrats. Stopping any of the horrible appointments that that trump is making I want to see them fight fire with fire, and frankly our only line of defense, really our elected officials. We need to stay on them, or and we need to stay in the streets so. You know I don't know I did nothing. We've never seen anything like this in history before and Jason. Thick keep in mind. Is that this is you know for for us? For men for people who've been around way longer, it may not be but I think that for many people who are who have grown up post, nine eleven right or a little before It's unique this new that anything like this. They don't have a grasp on history to understand. You know what it was like before so. I hear him. Jason Leopold Art Progressive. Voices already ended. I've kind of got my timing better, but. We're still going out to youtube and everyone else. Thank you so much. The work you're doing is so important. I gotta ask you one last question. Since now we're over time anyway. The did I. Just say you tweet out something in the last day or two that a foia request. You made something like seven years ago. Just came in yes. Yes Nicole seven years ago. Filed a request records and I just got that. Away let me let me just get it. Get it. Back Pages Oh. Oh, my gosh redacted. Redacted Yuck. I waited. One. Wow it's. I waited seven years for this next. In August of two thousand Thirteen, Oh, my goodness, oh my God all right well, somebody who's never change and yet and and they're calling you a terrorist, so you're. You're in good company, you and Martin. Gang gone or whatever you pronounce. I you know anybody who doesn't. Drank the Donald Trump kool-aid. They feel compelled to call a terrorist so I guess you know you embrace the term foia terrorist a couple years ago. You know we are proudly I suppose. Why do yeah, I know Jason? Leopold, you the best find Jason of course at Buzzfeed. News on twitter at Jason Leopold and when you see a big breaking story that everyone is carrying and chances are, if you trace it back like with this da story being able to. Covertly surveillance. You, can thank Jason Leopold. You're the best Jason. Nicolle thank you. Thank you all right. I'll talk to you soon. Take Care, bye, The awesome Jason Leopold all right without we are done for. Well, for for the day. Tomorrow Thursday Howie. Klein will be here, Friday, as I mentioned Don Siegelman will be here and we keep going. Thanks for listening I'll see you tomorrow A. You know what I'm going to leave you. Because I didn't even get to Georgia and what happened with the primaries yesterday, so I'm GonNa play, what's news will let lots news playoffs out because I did cover the the insanity in not only Georgia, but Nevada as well. And remind everybody. Do what you need to do to get a mail in ballot in absentee ballot, whatever because you take your chances by going to a polling place on November third chances are you're going to be screwed over? Just like they were in Nevada where the last polling place closed at like three thirty in the morning, because people were waiting in line for so many hours in Georgia, it was well after midnight. This has got to stop. Our votes need to be counted so vote by mail all right so I will leave you with today's. What's news? We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening everyone. By. then. It's time for Nicole Sandler's. What's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive voices network. Georgia Nevada South Carolina and West. Virginia held primary elections on Tuesday. There were so many voting issues in Georgia that state officials are now calling for investigations. Voters waited in line for hours. Some precincts extended voting well into the night election officials blamed the delays on technical issues and a shortage of poll workers due to the pandemic. The State Election Board is already investigating the handling of absentee ballots in Atlanta Fulton County of major concern, now is the idea that these issues could be an ominous preview of what could happen in November's general election. Nevada. Experienced widespread problems at the polls some voters were waiting in line for three hours or more at limited polling places in Las Vegas despite Nevada. Encouraging people to vote by mail due to. The Corona virus. Meanwhile groups across the country are reporting growing voter registration numbers amid recent surges of activism, other voter oriented group Sir seeing a rise in volunteer, support and donations. Family friends and dignitaries gathered in Houston on Tuesday for the funeral of George Floyd, the unarmed black man killed in Minneapolis police custody two weeks ago. People who grew up with Floyd in Houston were in attendance as were relatives of Eric, Garner a new. York man who died in a police chokehold and those of Ahmed Arbitrary, a twenty five year, Old Georgia man fatally shot in February while jogging. Civil Rights Leader Reverend Al Sharpton delivered a Eulogy. Saying Floyd's death quote was not just a tragedy. It was a crime, and he pointed a finger at wickedness in high places. You now trying to figure out how you won't stop the protest rather than how you stop the brutality. You calling your cabinet in trying to figure out how it's going. Affect your vote rather than has gone a frank our lives. New Scheme and on how you can spend the storage rather than you can achieve justice. Wait Kid! At high prices. You. Take rubber bullets and tear gas. Out peaceful protests, and then take a Bible and walk in front of A. and Use a check as a problem. Wickedness in high places. You a pin walking across that street when the checks had the ball. You holding up no Bible when opry was killed in Brunswick. When Taylor was. In Louisville. When miss it had braces presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Joe Biden appeared via video a day after meeting with the Floyd family and person and Houston. Now is the time for racial justice. That's the as we must give to our children when they ask why. Because when there's justice for George Floyd. We will truly be on our way to racial justice in America and then as you said you. Daddy will have changed the world. Senate Republicans are now working on legislation to address police reform, one of many nationwide changes mobilized by ongoing protests over racism and police brutality. A Task Force led by the Senate's. Republican member Tim Scott of south, Carolina sent Republican offices, a draft of a proposed justice act focused on issues of reporting accountability training and community relations. This is a big turnaround for the Senate, which not long ago was dismissive of acting on the issue. Democrats already unveiled their own proposal, which goes further and dictating specific changes including banning chokehold officials in states including New, York, Florida and California already have moved to ban the use of neck restraint by police. In Co, Vid News at least twenty eight states are not following. Guidelines for Corona virus reporting, which could make it more difficult for health experts and lawmakers to decide what to do next. The states are not reporting probable cases which include people who show evidence of an infection without the confirmation of a laptop. Accurate rates of new cases health officials track how the disease is spreading an informed decisions about how and went to loosen restrictions. These shoddy reporting numbers come as nineteen dates or seeing increases in their corona virus. Cases in Arizona things have gotten so bad again that the state has told a toss battles to activate emergency plans. More than one point, nine million people have been infected by the virus in the US and more than one hundred twelve thousand have already died. So, it's been over a month since Donald Trump suggested ingesting disinfectant to fight covid nineteen and subsequently, and did the circus of his daily briefings to to the backlash. The Nation's top infectious disease expert Dr Anthony. FAUCI has been virtually silenced ever since. But he emerged on Tuesday for an interview with CNBC in which he proclaimed. The ongoing pandemic is far from over now we have something that indeed turned out to be my worst nightmare something. That's highly transmissible in a period. If you just think about it in a period of four months, it has devastated the world, and it is an over yet. He continued asking. Where is it going to end? Where still at the beginning of really understanding and added that in just four months the virus has quote devastated the whole world. And finally yesterday I told you about the Vard. County Florida Police Union president who sent a facebook post inviting cops accused of misconduct in other cities to apply for jobs in Florida well. Thankfully, he's been suspended Boulevard County. Sheriff Wayne Ivy said that Burke Gaiman a lieutenant at the agency and President of the Bravado County. Fraternal Order of police was suspended with pay while an internal investigation is conducted. Iv called the posts disgusting. Why with pay? That's a vacation just saying. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole familar. If you appreciate these reports, Emiko Sandler show I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported, and I can't do it without your help. Find out more at Nicole. Sandler, DOT COM and please click on that. Donate Button.

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20201209 Nicole Sandler Show - Political Discourse Disconnect

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20201209 Nicole Sandler Show - Political Discourse Disconnect

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. Fewer discretion is advised. Jeez got the news. She talks with newsmakers encourages us to laugh and she cries with us speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. It's the nicole sandler show it is and it is a one day a wednesday with a hold on to pull up the home. My live countdown clock forty one days nineteen hours eleven minutes and twenty five seconds until we are officially rid of donald j trump. Everything about the man makes my skin crawl. It is frustrating beyond belief that he continues to spew. These lies and that people listen to him. I mean a good amount of people. Listen to him that they didn't see through his bullshit and vote for seventy. Four million people voted for him and frankly before the two thousand and twenty election no presidential candidate for brecon broken. This seventy million vote mark now. Joe biden will wind up with over eighty million votes but twenty four million people voted for donald trump in november. It makes no sense. I don't understand it. I don't usually start row and the person who was on the phone just hung up. Go right to a call. Somebody called in from two zero five. I bet that was our friend from alabama. Anyway i all that. Who is what it was proud scale if that was you call back in because proud scale. One of our regulars who hangs out in the in the chat room was is in alabama and he does occasionally call in from the two five area code but he just wrote in the chat he said i met doug jones personally know something horrible on top of what you heard about. Yates firm king and spalding. And then he said nbc said the ag choices down to jones. Doug jones merrick garland and sally. Yates oh boy to say that's not much of a choice. Look doug jones does have some really good stuff in his background. I mean he was the one who prosecuted the bombers in alabama from the late fifties. Early sixties I'm bad with dates. Don't ever ask me about a date it anyway. so that's going on. We're expecting to hear. Joe biden's nominee for attorney general anytime now because he is rolling it all out. But there's there's a new fly in the ointment as it were. Joe biden announced that marcia fudge congresswoman from ohio will join his administration as i think it was hud housing and urban development. If i recall correctly and people are saying okay. She's she's decent right. The problem is that the democrats lost a lot of seats in the house in this election. Yes we won back the white house which is was the important thing but lost a number of seats so right now hold on. I should bring this up. Because where was i looking at it. I was just reading something about how slim the The margin is right now. Let's see if i can't find this Did did because there was a rumor while they were there are other rumors. I don't even want report on rumors but the house okay biden has already appointed to house members. Cedric richmond. who is coming out of new orleans. I believe and now marcia fudge that brings the margin down to like to the democrats have. Why can't find where i had. All of the had all of the statistics. I hate this. That i do this. I can't find it basically. There's no room. There's no margin of error. I mean the democrats maybe have five seats more than the republicans do or will come january. Sixth when the new congress begins that makes it a very very small margin a margin smaller than we've seen in decades. I'm doesn't give nancy pelosi a lot of wiggle room. So we'll see. I mean i would've liked to have seen who was talking about. There are so many. I wanted to see deb. Haaland of new mexico in as interior secretary. Now there was like a false start. Somebody had announced that outgoing senator. Thom utah was named interior secretary but then the link disappeared. So that's not official yet. I guess it's not a done deal. A lot of progressives are pushing for deb has of new mexico but the thing is we can't afford to give up another seat in the house and granted these three if deb holland were to get in our reliably blue seats. The problem is those seats will remain empty until special elections are called. And we can't afford it because you know there are a lot of blue dogs and new dem's still in congress and they tend to you know for whatever reason vote with the republicans and that's not a good thing so here we move right along and keep flowing and we'll see what happens. It's it's crazy busy time. Donald trump is as demented. as ever. He went on another twitter tear today. Now he's he's tweeting. Everybody that on election evening at ten pm quote. We were at ninety seven percent win with the so-called bookies the so-called bookies either their bookies or they're not and really donald trump is saying see the all the betters all the gamblers new is thought we won. And here's the other thing for months certainly weeks but really months leading up to the election. We were told because things are different this year because so many people due to covid are availing themselves of the opportunity to mail in their votes on a paper ballot that that the results will not be known on the night of election. Day that it could take days or even weeks till everything is counted. Now the reason that that's the case is because it was mostly in states with republican governors and republican secretary of state. Who made a rule that said if people are doing absentee ballots voting by mail. Those ballots cannot be counted. They those envelopes could not even be opened until after the polls close on election night. Well that's ridiculous and look. I live in florida the land of the da and even florida. They count the votes as they come in. That's why we hear had our information. We knew who was the winner. Tuesday night on the night of november third. Because this has been in the works for years voted by mail. Those who wanted to in florida for years. But but you know we knew that. Pennsylvania and georgia and a number of other states wisconsin. I believe and i know. Pennsylvania certainly couldn't start counting until the polls were closed. And i believe the others too. But don't hold me to it but a number of republican led states. Have that rule. They weren't allowed to even open the envelopes with the absentee ballots with vote by mail ballots until after the polls closed. Well obviously the counting is going to be delayed. And if you watched any of them from steve kornacki to john king or whoever it was on cnn doing all the tallying you know that they came in the votes came in in big clumps in groups and so donald trump screams. There was a dump votes in the middle of the night. Well yeah because when counties would stand in their vote tallies they come in big batches. That's how it works. But but his sycophants his groupies his flunkies his fans. His cult members. Don't believe reputable new serve as you news sources so i'm reading something in the south florida sun. Sentinel not my favorite newspaper. But but i read the local papers. Because i think it's important to read a newspaper and and there was a letter to the editor saying you report this stuff you know you're in the pocket of whoever now. I'm canceling my subscription. This is how trumpers react canoes. They don't like in with disbelief instead of when it's news you don't like is like oh you should say the ratchet should be. I need to do something about that. We need to change this or that sucks. Not they're reporting something. I like so they're wrong. That's what donald trump does anything that is critical of him. That doesn't report his preferred story. The words in regards to the election that he won which he didn't is fake news. It's opposite world talk about an all the time all right are two. Oh five or a tool. Five caller is back. It is proud scale. Is it you yes. So what is it you wanna tell us about doug jones. Well not exactly what we like because i was At one of these meet and greets where the candidate type of thing and he said he liked bill clinton more than obama. Okay and look. That doesn't disqualify him from being attorney general. You know look. I personally love the guy but proud schedule. I remember when you went to volunteer for him when he jumped in as the candidate. So don't you. You're awfully hypocritical here. Well i'm just trying to. You know trying to think what your listeners think. And i think there's some great things about him like the birmingham church bombing right and the fact that he was one of the best. Us attorneys from might at all district and also he one of his partners at one time with jack drake and check. Drake is the largest labor lawyer in alabama okay and he also had a an assistant at one time who later became head of the obama. Aclu and neil triple and Compete to be honest. I have a lot of Anger towards delegates She was when i lived in atlanta. She was at King and spalding and king. And did you hear the show. Did you did you. Did you hear the show on monday. We went through all of it at dumping even more okay King and spalding defended the catholic church. The diocese liana an abuse suit. Okay look when you're a lawyer you when you're a lawyer the k. says that you don't necessarily believe in sometimes you just have to i i again. I don't fault him for that falter for that. I falter for a lot of other things just knowing that. She chose to work at that specific firm. I'm not gonna fall cases borough or being women you're going to be dredged up by that in the senate they will. They will puff that up. Okay all right. Do you have anything. Because i got a million things. They need to do today. So yeah one. More thing ca. I entry is very divided and an easy way to say. This is most of these goose supporting trump as he said when he went through unfortunately are in the south and the central midwest because you can easily look at the electoral college map and prove that from seeing blue spots in the west coast. The upper midwest and the northeast. Okay and. i'm just saying this. Country is very divided regionally and those those areas are different culturally from the rest of the country in my trails. Because i lived as a kid all over the country. Okay you're not telling us anything we don't know i appreciate you calling. But i mean really. We're divided this. This is a big revelation. How easily me electoral college map. Gotcha or proud. I'm going to run. I'm sorry i appreciate the call. And i love a proud scale. He's been listening for a long time. But the you know. I love your calls call in any time but have something to add to the conversation. I know i'm such a bitch. i'm sorry. I don't mean to be and i do want you to share information. But you know he lives in alabama. I'll tell you the other part star side of the story. Doug jones and proud scale was very much a fan when doug jones ran for the senate couple years ago when for the special election. Anyway you know don siegelman. Who was the governor of alabama. Who was so great progressive governor who was targeted by the bush administration that w bush administration and karl rove and made legal mean seriously back when this happened. America's first real political prisoner at least in this era the modern era and what they did to don siegelman was horrendous. You should read his book stealing democracy. It's amazing if you don't know his story go to nicole sandler dot com go to the blog page. Which is where all the podcasts are posted and search don siegelman. He's been on this show a number of times most recently when when the book came out we told his whole story. We didn't extended program that day. And what happened to him was was just a travesty. Don siegelman was good enough to be president. He should have been president. He has progressive. he is smart. He's brilliant and he speaks very very highly of doug jones in fact doug jones worked to to help clear don siegelman as an attorney. So i've mixed feelings about doug jones. I just worry about look and i understand what what the black community wants. Listen to a little bit of al sharpton last night or today whenever it was and and apparently because of doug jones role in the birmingham bombing case. He is a friend to the black or african american community. He's he's on the right side when it comes to steal writes the thing is i know that a lot of people were hoping it would be a person of color seriously not not not another old white man as attorney general and frankly the guest. We had on a jeff houser on monday. We talked about a lot of different scenarios. And you know one name. He floated a. I keep wanting to say gwen eiffel when i full sister. Who's blanking on her first name right now. Lynn in eiffel would be perfect. But i it's not up to me. Nobody asks my opinion either except you guys to hear it every day all right today. Let me tell you what's going on today. I'm i'm so beside myself with the just talk about it all the time and it goes back to the whole opposite world thing in fact you know what i'm talking about when i say opposite world right received utah sideways. Straight ahead facts longer. Reality is fiction signpost your next step year because for instance once again i started saying this before the call came in. Donald trump is in another world. He he's tweeting about bookies right that the bookies had it called for him at ten o'clock on election night we were at ninety seven percent win with the so-called bookies. He not only tweeted that as a general tweet out to the ether. But he tweeted that directly to i think chief justice roberts he tweeted it to individual supreme court justices. He said things like no candidate has ever won both florida and ohio in lost. I the both bio what i think. He lost ohio. But you know he's saying he. He won everything he didn't win everything he lost. He is a lou deserve and normally when a person behaves like this in florida. We have something called the baker act where a family member can say. This person is not in his or her right mind and they will come and take you away. It's called being baker acted and put in a secure facility for your own self interest. So you so you don't hurt yourself or anybody else. That's what we need. That's what we need right now. With donald trump he's delusional. The man is crazy. And what's even scarier is the republicans in elected office for the most part are going along with him and they're doing that because they're afraid for their own political survival because if donald trump if you're a republican in today's trumpian republican party and you go up against donald trump. You call him out for his lies and his bullshit he will turn on you and he'll turn all his minions on you as well to the point where people republican governors secretaries of state. Who are doing their jobs. Who are doing the right thing from arizona to georgia and every place in between there. Getting death threats death threats. You heard the guy from georgia. I don't think. I have the clip handy right now. But you know here it is oh there you go. Gabriel sterling voting implementation director in the state of georgia. You remember this very impassioned statement right the beginning of this. I'm going to do my best to keep it together because all gone to hit bank politics jodi gentlemen today has for chris crabs facing hatred iran cisa to be shot him a twentysomething check gwinnett a county today as death threats a noose hung treason because he was transferring. A report on bashes from an ems to account of computers. And what gets me and that went on for ten minutes. What gets me is the same people who are screaming that we the what did kelly leffler say radical liberal radical radical liberal. Is that what she called him. A raphael warnock. Yeah where the radical ones where the dangerous ones they scream as if they know what it means they know shit they don't or should say they don't know shit. Yeah this is. Kelly leffler my opponent radical liberal raphael warnock radical liberal raphael warnock radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal. She said it ad nauseam radical liberal. We're not the radical ones or you've got a bad idea of what the word radical means you do not know what radical means here. You go breaking news from cnn. The man who calls himself president trump has asked the supreme court to block millions of votes from four battleground states. That voted for president. Elect joe biden. He wants to turn democracy on its head. He wants your vote to count. He wants my vote not to count. He only wants the votes of republicans to count. That's not democracy. And when i hear these trumpers speak it just i know he loves the poorly educated and now we know why he loves the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated fair fucking stupid and they don't understand how democracy works and they don't understand the fourth estate and they don't understand that facts are facts and lies are made up bullshit my god. It's infuriating forty one days forty one days. This texas lawsuit is ridiculous. But he got the the day Attorney general of texas guy named ken paxton to do his dirty work. Well it turns out ken. Paxton is under fbi investigation. Yes on tuesday. Morning this from slight on tuesday morning. Texas attorney general. Ken paxton asked the supreme court to effectively declared donald trump the winner of the twenty twenty election paxton lawsuit falsely accuses georgia michigan pennsylvania and wisconsin of counting invalid votes in violation of the constitution asked the justices to remedy this alleged misconduct by forcing all four states legislatures to throw out every vote and appoint electors who support trump many republican lawmakers have already endorsed scheme but paxton is the first to ask scotus to facilitate it. If the supreme court took invitation it would commit the single biggest act of vote nullification in american history voiding millions of ballots to hand trump in unearned. Second term in the story goes on from there. This is what people should be in the streets. Screaming about. this man is attempting a coup as xena turf. Becky wrote in the atlantic this week. What don't these people see. So there's a story. In the nation magazine it is written by a guy named what is his name. Joe romm joe. Romm is the ceo and editor in chief of a new site. A fairly new site called front page live and the article he wrote for the nation is called why democrats lose on social media while republicans ally and win big well. I'd like to know the answer to that is because america is uneducated. It's the dumbing down of this country that we accept a conman. She'll a family of griff tres and the white house for four years and when election time rolled around. I'm thinking there's going to be such an outcry that the landslide is going to be enormous to get this family of con artists out of the white house and they got more votes this time than they did last time. And they conned latinos they. They locked up families. They took babies away from their mothers. There are still some in where in the neighborhood of six hundred children who this government took from. Their parents separated families. Young children some infants that we don't know where the parents are and yet donald trump's share of the hispanic vote went up. What are we doing wrong now. I've for a long time said that the republicans are simply better at the messaging that the democrats are and that's what this article is about so in a few minutes we'll speak with joseph ram. Ceo of page live so stick around for that while we're waiting so this week i've been playing these parodies for you. Played a number of different versions of the devil. Went down to georgia. go figure. And there's there's yet another one. I'm telling you it's like remember at the beginning of the stay at home period for covert. Everyone did a parody of my sharona. Because it's my corona this time it's the devil went down to georgia and this one just popped up. I wanna say yesterday. And it's from our friends at the parody project. enjoy your word law different disguised. You lost it. still win. Received sentences voting but us doing vision and he didn't see any trade off work. Straight talk wants people out there i just. She doesn't care much lending familiar with the smell of ceo off strategy simply fading read of power georgia on their four cases retail britain. This is a huge huge issue. And we're talking about it. Nicole sandler show sadler dot com and the progressive voice network. And we're back. And i'm thrilled to welcome our guest for the day. Joe romm is with us. Joe happens to be. Ceo an editor in chief of front page live. And if you haven't checked out front page live dot com yet you should because it's another well progressive kind of aggregate hijo first of all. Hold on. i gotta take. Oh i got to bring this down. Always have to figure out where the echoes coming from. Hi joe welcome to the show up. And i'm not here. Oh i have you muted. Hold on that's my fault. A canoe on mute yourself because we got there. You are always something so again. Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us today. I'm tell us about front page live. How long have you guys been around. We launched in june twenty nine thousand nine hundred and had about seventy million page since then and we work really hard to make content go viral and and a lot of content on our site is as you say aggregated we also do a bunch of original content and do a lot of headline testing and message testing. That sort of thing and our goal is to our slogan is a reality is our bias. I gotta tell you i. Obviously i read through the site. I looked up read about you. I noticed that some of a couple of your main employees actually come from years at fox. I want to ask you about that too. Because i know a lot of people at fox don't necessarily share the ideology of newscorp but they need job job so they do it and they hold their nose and they do the work. But we'll get to that. The other thing that i noticed is that you you have. You wrote a book. Tell us the name of your book. here's my book goes viral and reach millions out of categories millions and it's top persuasion secrets. From social media superstars jesus shakespeare and even donald trump is in orange. Shed really you know like a lot of people. The two thousand sixteen election hit me quite car particularly since even though i'm a writer I was trained physicist. So i was sort of the guy. People would call me up to be reassured that donald trump is not going to win as someone who did reassure people you know. I really wanted to understand. Why were the polls wrong. What what happened and what. I came to realize that there was a the right wing together with the trump campaign brad. Par scale time and the russians had created this powerful engine for making falsehoods making fake stories. Fake news go viral and the that in the states where that was done the most effectively those were the states trump beat his polling and and that And this is continued. Until i wrote this book to a sort of explain what happened in two thousand sixteen to understand and explain what trump does well as a communicator. Obviously he he's very effective for what he's trying to accomplish and the to talk about what that is he uses he uses rhetoric he uses classic storytelling strategies the for for what he is trying to accomplish. And but and then so this book had to go around reach. Millions shares. All the experts that i've learned over fifteen years writing online and studying the social science literature brain science marketing research on. Exactly what it is that makes content go viral and then you know we launched an and the point of the site was to start be a place that would help address the problem that progressives aren't really good at generating content that is maximizing its chance to go viral and they don't really know how to make go viral once they do. It's the messaging problem that the democrats have always had a messaging problem. We've got some brilliant people on our side of the aisle. They're just not. I don't know they don't cut through. They don't know how to make a bumper sticker slogan they don't know how to grab you and three or four words and make a point and make dick so this piece you wrote for the nation. Yesterday went viral basically. It was the most read article up at the nation yesterday. It was called y. Democrats lose on social media while republicans lie and win big. And that's one of my biggest frustrations i can't understand how seventy four million people voted for this man. Who does nothing lie. Do they are as i said earlier. I know he loves the poorly educated. Why because they by his bullshit because they they listen to the show that i follow on the progressive voices network. A woman called in. Who watched gets her news from o. A. n. and it is just doing this nonsense about what went on in the election when actually this was the safest most easy election because everybody voted on paper ballots. Go figure that we've had in recent memory and you know they just deny reality. I don't get it and so this year. we saw some very creative messaging. The you know the lincoln project although technically on the other side they did some great stuff. We have the midas touch brothers who did some brilliant video ads that went viral. But our message still doesn't cut through. Have you identified as one specific thing and why people listen to the lies and are so easily led. Well i think that look the a lot of it. Is you know social media and and the rhythms in social media and the greed of the people who run the social media companies. Don't think i have to name them. I think you know everyone knows who they are. And they have created a world where they believe in quote unquote free speech. Which is everybody can say. Whatever they want. And they'll vire allies it and the marketplace will decide. And you know we've never lived in a time before where literally you could. I i could target. You know veterans Over sixty-five within a ten mile radius of jacksonville florida I can hit them with dozens of messages. See which ones they click on tweaktown. Change them so so an on platforms that were designed by their creators to be addictive. All the social media companies hired the top behavioral scientists in the world in order to say. How do i keep you on for a little bit longer. you know. How do i turn the social media into other things. That are addictive like gamblers. You know what is the principal bind slot machines and all our gambling in general. So you know. That's that's the challenge. Yeah you make a great point in in the article you talk about what you just said that the micro targeting that this is all new technology that stuff. That wasn't available. You couldn't do a targeted ad aimed at one person or one household or one specific community before social media before these algorithms came into play. And so let me read something. You wrote a disturbing number of the most viral stories on any given day or from far-right pseudo. new sources. Like the daily wire. Ben shapiro conservative media arm which is owned by the wilkes a family that made billions on fracking out performing democrats in this digital echo chamber in no small part because they use a network of big facebook pages to cross promote content. These efforts move voters a joe. You don't know this. But i live in south florida. Continue trump won forty five percent of florida latinos in twenty twenty and eleven point jump from sixteen despite numerous overtly anti latino policies like putting thousands of latino kids in cages s. c. n. n.'s. John king explained when trump stunned the democrats in south florida. It was because of this niche marketing to latino voters from cuba venezuela and elsewhere with a simple message. Socialism socialism socialism. And all. my god. It was so funny. I was bernie sanders supporter. I've been for years. I think he's great. I think we need somebody like that. But okay. It is what it is and everyone was going. Oh it can't be bernie because they're gonna call him a socialist. And and i said i don't. It doesn't matter who we nominate. They will call. Joe biden a socialist. And that's joke. Because the joe biden about it is about as far from socialists as any democrat can be and yet. That's exactly what happened and it worked. Yes absolutely. I think people need to understand. You know that that what the republicans conservative him done what. The trump campaign was doing was always on persuasion marketing democrats we race staggering amounts of money in the last few months of election Well you can't win hearts and minds doing three or four months of media marketing and outreach side is doing it for you know twenty four seven three hundred sixty five days a year off years too and they keep with a simple message. You know it's it's it's a simple message. And of course you know the this negative partisanship. The negative branding is especially effective. When progressives sorta use words as a shorthand that means something very different to a lot of other people. Yeah i'm i'm a big fan of bernie's policies and particularly the climate guy. We're we have a long way to go to be as aggressive as we need to preserve a livable client. But words do matter and You know i think that it is. It is incumbent on all democrats to figure out. If you're gonna use the word you're going to have to define it and you're gonna have to simple otherwise i don't say you can't use the word but you have no business if if you're letting the other side destroy the meaning of a word as they did as i'm sure you know back when in the mike dukakis era when they attacked card karen liberal and they they really savage the word. Liberal progressive came from exactly know. I sort of chuckled to myself. When i hear people go well. Here's the difference between liberals and progressives. There's no difference. I'm sorry. I'm a liberal progressive. I am what i am. The right eight made liberal a dirty word so that liberal stopped using it in found another word to identify themselves. And that's what it is that requires look. They've they have set up. A alternative media system built around fox news and now fox. News isn't is moderate compared to your ends you know it's just a crazy. The conspiracy theory mongers who had become mainstream in the republican party but yes they've created this whole content creation studio and then using social media. They've been handed a an addictive distribution channel and our side has been. You know you'll talk funders. As i often do those. Oh well we've got the new york times washington posts well with they don't do persuasion messaging right in fact they generally don't want to offend conservative. Exactly and bend over backwards to not offend them. Oftentimes down headlines hold their punches so the net result is that there's one gigantic media which the right has successfully label media but it's really mainstream status quo media reporting. Facts is not. You know it's the least you can do to be liberal. Yes and as i was i was telling the listeners before that in recent days i've seen in a few places not only in a letter to the editor but online as well people not liking the story that the local newspapers are telling. You know. we've got a governor who's nuts santa's who i call death sentence rhonda death sentence because he's killing people Because our cova number going through the roof and what does he say. No more remote meetings public meetings. They have to be in person he wants. Schools open at one hundred percent businesses open at one hundred percent no mask mandates allowed in the state and so the south florida sun sentinel owned by tribune. Not not a liberal company by any means criticized him for this. And i saw a number of post like that's it on canceling my subscription it to be. If people didn't like the news they would try to do something to change the narrative. Not to say. I'm not listening to you anymore. Because you're you're telling me a story. I don't wanna hear this. This is a trumpian development. Isn't it it is this is. This is the disinformation campaign and strategy was really perfected in the soviet union. This is what putin this is really you can. If you google you know putin and disinformation strategy. You'll you'll you spend days reading about. It's very sophisticated you know. Not only do they create a disinformation strategy and and make you go viral. And of course ultimately you know as i say in the book that had to go book. This all about storytelling. The end of the day. What goes viral are stories. You know the minute we are done with work. We flee to watch stories on tv stories. We do listen podcast and and and so we are programmed to be addicted to stories. We are storytelling animal. Really and the story needing animal so putin in the soviet union they maps to the art of not only creating an alternative reality but they would also just out outrageous disinformation so the people would lose. Trust right all sources of news so they don't even care. Sometimes they want to persuade you but sometimes like the q. At knob it rates is to shatter belief that there is any truth. I when you delve into what these people are about. I mean they actually have been pushing a story that says joe biden didn't really fracture his foot. He's wearing that boot to hide. The ankle monitor that he has to wear after he was arrested for child pornography or some. Why for pedophilia. I'm like what and may believe this. It's all like the pizza place. And hillary clinton and the child sex ring. They believe this stuff and yet do we know. I mean there's one person who is a q. Whose anonymous who's pushing this stuff that they're all now following. I mean i never paid attention to it because it was so ridiculous but a big portion of the country is now buying it. I'm blown away. Well i think you know. This part of the thinking behind from pages live to try to understand what content goes viral. And how to do it. you know. i think that People people want to believe A certain type of story about their lives. Obviously we're all the hero in our own journey right right. And and so what happened was obviously. It's crystal clear that the american dream as it was sold in fiction isn't the happening for a very large number of people and so when people's lives don't need an expectation that hey i'm going to be i'm going to be able to do all the things. My parents did You know or that sort of thing. A quite natural. And what you know. Obviously this is the promise of america when people don't go the way they want. They are ready for a story to explain. Why and progressives not. don't tell stories. And they predict much right stories where we single out bad guys. But as i've said many times if your story if politics if you don't identify the bad guy or gal someone will tell virgin story in which you're the bad guy. Yes exactly and the story that's easiest to kind of repeat is the one that gets told over and over again and i guess that does explain donald trump. It's stunning to me. I one other thing. I want to get in there before i forget. And that is when i was looking for information about front-page live i came across a website called media bias. Backcheck dot com never heard of them before but apparently they examined websites for their their veracity. I have a real problem with these sites. That just shoveled the shit. That just push propaganda which i thought was illegal in this country. But what do i know anyway. You would like to see you should know in case you don't that They say that front page live has a left bias. It says these media saw sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words. Publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be trustworthy but overall we rate front page live bias based on story selection that almost always leans liberal progressive. We rate them. Mostly factual for reporting due to occasionally using sources that back checks. But what they're saying. Is you guys you lean left but you publish the truth and that is possible. I just don't see that on any right wing. You know the one. You mentioned the Ben shapiro runs. They make up stuff. It's just like one bat fantastical story after another like the child-sex rings out of the pizza place in dc. It's like this show is what i try to do. Yes i lean left. I'm definitely a progressive liberal. But i report on real stories. This is it's all about fact and you can't debate somebody who won't at least admit to the baseline truth. We're now looking at a whole half of the nation who is making shit up left and right and this is what they're basing their argument on you can't have a reasonable argument or discussion with somebody who won't admit that the sky is blue right and and the the challenge is that and the mainstream media simply hasn't figured this out at all you know the fact that they're constantly reading the president tweets and showing exactly what he said even though we all know that it's stone cold lie after lie. The right sort of cleverly figured out that the media wants to split the baby So you know progressive's again. I come out of the climate space. Yes dick euless that the reporting accurate and climate science is means. You have a liberal bias right. The way they vilified the green new deal. You're right about that at this piece. At the nation the green new deal is is something. That's actually needed right now. And it's promoting a lot of good policies to create jobs to open up a new segment section of the economy as we migrate from a fossil fuel based energy sector to a renewable and and yet they turned it into the boogeyman and and they use it as an attack. Now where something is really good They use as an attack and it sticks. That's what's so frustrating. Yeah and again. That's because they pour hundreds of millions of dollars and the entire right wing and the bill. The right wing billionaires you know they. They open their checkbooks and they create this always on persuasion. And jim and you know it. It really doesn't exist on the left. You know we're trying to do our own little part but you know we hope to be teaming up with some people you know hoping to create the lincoln project of climate change nice with with with people who believe it and look you're a certain segment of the side. I hate to say who we can't reach and if we did we wouldn't be able to persuade them anyway. Fortunately they're they're clearly. Know is a large number of people who are reachable and and and also you know it's always important to speak to your own base and arm them with the best facts the best explanation stories graphs memes videos. Whatever it is so you know those. This is always a very valuable because intensity matters you know right you know. I used to be of the mind that memes are cute. They're they're clever but really a meme is not going to influence anybody. I'm wrong on that one aren't i. This is this is has taken over as a major communication tool as a major marketing persuasion tool. the meme is a powerful notion. in fact i came upon. You guys front page live through a group of progressive activists who've put together a sort of a club if you will or a list a twitter list and facebook list of groups who have the same sensibilities in same desire to amplify a progressive message and it's mostly based in memes share. A lot of means and at first. I was going means. It gives me somebody to talk to that. I can interview but then i realized no this is how america with our short attention span and poorly educated masters. This is how we learn things so the more creative you can be in the fewest words with a clever picture The better right like here's one. There's gene wilder oops. I have no audio on that one. Sorry hold on. I gotta get back again because people are now going. There's no audio. So i just showed that me and i've got a few others but of course i forgot to set up with audio so anyway this is how a lot of people communicate and they get ideas across and i guess you have to change with the times. Absolutely look you know. There's always been a billboards and posters and and the you know the mean has emerged through study you know the frankly breitbart figured out in the twentieth. Sixteen before two thousand sixteen at the thing that was going the most viral worthy images with words and Yeah there's no question that that we live. In an era of soundbites. We live in an era of of short messages Right and they work so we need to we as democrats or progressives or liberals or whatever you wanna call us need to learn how to talk to everybody. I guess we. Sometimes we use too many words. Maybe they call us. Elites i dunno. I happen to enjoy an detailed discussion. But i do see the power that these memes have and i see how their shared and the you know it's definitely a a twenty twenty ish thing and we need to be more aware of those things so i'm trying i'm trying to embrace memes and things like that too short videos that go like this. I guess the kind of radio. I do look old radio person. I've been doing this for over forty years. So i'm old school but i'm i'm on the generation. I'm headed out i can. I can be stuck in my ways. But when i see new talented young activists coming up. I'm looking to them to see how they're getting their message out. Because it's a whole new ballgame and the old rules. Don't work anymore now. You got your means tiktok video and the song parodies. You saw one. I started playing these. I try to do one each day because sometimes things get so serious year and you gotta laugh laugh. The alternative is to lose your mind. You said when when trump got elected it was hard. I'm one of those people. I i had a really rough time for. Probably the first two years of his term just putting one foot in front of the other. I can't believe this country did this and now four years later i still can't believe it but more angry than shocked. I think i went through the five stages of grief and now i'm ready coming out fighting. Democrats need a better strategy and frankly in congress they're kind of you know sucking out loud. We need to fix it. We need new blood new energy creative energy who understands this new technology and had harnessed it. But we want to do it with honesty. Not with lies and propaganda. A real quickly am i. Wrong isn't propaganda illegal in this country. Well you know there was a time. When and i'm sure you know this well you know when you had the fairness doctrine that there was actually a law that said you couldn't do just one side and you couldn't just present one side of an issue. You had to have a full rounded discussion. If i used to work i worked at. Wnyc in new york as a producer. When i was a little kid. I young i produced. Bob grant a right-wing talk show and i remember i've got still got. I've got a worst responses from people who i put out equal time requests for. We discussed this. Would you like to come on and give the other side. that doesn't exist anymore. And i think. I think it's hurt us as a nation as a people as as a society because of course as the right had been trying to undermine that and that doctrine for a long time and it happened during the reagan administration. And it's no surprise that by by the nineteen and so's the end of the nineteen eighties. Mid mid nineteen eighties. Doctor was basically destroyed. And and you know then you've got fox news and world bank said unfortunately the clock is against us. I could keep talking to you for a while. Joe raum. I hope you'll come back. Find him at front page. Live dot com. Check them out because they tell the truth and their creative about it and they give us viral content. Thanks joe it's great meeting you and we'll talk again. Okay take care and tomorrow. it's thursday. How klein will be here. Thanks everyone have great night. We're done by.

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20200518 Nicole Sandler Show - Bonus Music Monday Show with Michael McDermott

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20200518 Nicole Sandler Show - Bonus Music Monday Show with Michael McDermott

"The following program continued graphic material including offensive language. Discretion is advised. The Nicole Sandler Joe Authority. That could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Pay You do the music venue here beneath my boys from broadcast sound library that I paid for and Ham the receipts so that you're happy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole. I'm here hold on. I am here I really am. Hi and welcome to the show on Coal Sandler. We don't usually do a Monday show. But I'm I'm working my way back to it for those of you who've been with me for a long time you might recall that this program will this program used to be three hours daily That's what I was doing. Terrestrial radio and collecting a paycheck. Then when I when I Moved online I cut it back to two hours daily and then what happened was when I moved onto the progressive voices network They were only cowering an hour of the show. So I would do the first hour you know for the people listening to my strain and and for the podcast and then they would join us in progress for the second hour and then I got sick so four years ago Next month I was diagnosed with lung. Cancer maybe it was July June late June July When that happened. And when when I I went on hiatus to have surgery to remove a good portion of my left lung when I finally came back and I rushed back to be on the air before Election Day because it was twenty sixteen when You know the craziest elections of our lifetime when when Donald Trump was running so I thought I can't sit out this entire presidential election so I hurried back probably before I was ready and I decided I'd just come back on the air for the hours that the progressive voices network carried the show because they had big reach. And I've been off the air for months so you know my regular listeners. Who came to my website in my strain to listen. Were likely gone so Progressive Voices runs another show During my time slot on Mondays. I'm not sure if they're gonNA give me back the Monday slot when I moved to five eastern or not. It's still up for discussion. But they run a show called MOMS rising on Mondays in my place and apparently cure kristen Who hosted has it has a pretty big following. I don't know that's still up for grabs but anyway I decided one way or another. I'd probably come back to Mondays. And while we're at home with this pandemic I feel guilty. Not doing a show. I mean it's not like I have stuff to do. I need to pack up my house. 'cause WE'RE GONNA have to move soon I been rebuilding the studio and if you see me today. Part of today was is about testing the new configuration. Because I switched everything around I have three computers now working in my studio and this wonderful new mixing board. That's allowing me to do all kinds of things. I couldn't do before so now I'm hoping this weekend. I switch things around. I try things on different computers. I'm able to pull in video from one to another. It's really kind of cool the things I figured out but bear with me because I used to do the video streaming from my main computer. I moved that off to aside computer. That's only doing the streaming so hopefully nothing else will get hung up and I'll be able to do other things so You know today is kind of More or less trial and error working out in the new configuration. To make sure it works. But you know had also been thinking about if I'm gonNA come back on Mondays. Maybe doing a A music Monday show because you know my background is music. Radio and Sadly I always I always have chosen. The Path most obscure were the music format of radio. I did that I loved was called. AAA which stood for adult album alternative and although I worked in other radio network in almost every format it was AAA. That was my love station in Los Angeles. Kabc A that. I was I I was a disc jockey then. I became music director. I booked what we call the music hall which was artists coming in to perform live for us and that was it was my dream job. We got to break new music. We got to introduce The public to artists that didn't traditionally get airplay. We would play album tracks instead of just this single. We would You know and the station was on the air from ninety four to ninety seven and we broke bans from Dave Matthews to Sheryl Crowe to Oh God the list goes on and on counting crows to Tons of of artist throughout the nineties. got their start in AAA radio and they're still a small number of these stations. Most of them are noncommercial. Stations like w x pin in the Philadelphia area or of course. Now I'm drawing a blank K. K. K. K. C. N. N. now on the air in Los Angeles anyway so You know So I'm always thinking I've got tons of interviews and music performances that I did on the air in Los Angeles that I've been fig trying to figure out how to repackage and share and I share them on the blog occasionally and you know Matt Nay Nay was actually Kahlo. Os Osama number five. You're you're you're really reaching back there for me but anyway So to make a long story not quite so long and cumbersome I I was contacted a month or two ago by Ah publicized publicist or manager but Somebody who I guess remembers my Old Music Days and he mentioned to me that one of the artists he works with a guy named Michael. Mcdermott was getting ready to release a new album. Well I remember Michael Mcdermott and sure enough. I I knew we played him K. Sea never had a big hit but really good singer songwriter. In the Dylan's springsteen John hiatt vein perhaps And so I You know the he sent me an advance of the new album and it's really good and this new single is just just what we need. Because I be Mon. The fact all the time that we don't have much in the way of protests music these days occasionally orders like Bob. Dylan's got a new one out. That's that's very Appointed pointedly against a trump Who else the the the? Dixie chicks recently released a song that has political overtones are undertones But this new single for Michael Mc Dermott is just as so good. It's called what in the world and The video for it is spot on so Michael McDermott's actually gonNA join us for the second half of the show today. We're going to do a special Monday. Music Show Will Premiere that video which is also good and he'll be with us over zoom and You know he'll perform song or two and we'll chat and you know we'll we'll we'll play it by ear Hopefully you had a chance to hear Friday show. Oh my goodness so knoll. Casler was my guest. And he's the guy who worked as a talent wrangler basically on celebrity apprentice on the finale of separate celebrity apprentice for six years. I think he said and I I heard him about a year. And a half ago when he emerged. Ooh sorry. I didn't mean to boost that when he emerged as a A stand up comedian and what he told us on Friday was astounding to me. The reason he became a comedian is to tell his story. It was a way to get out in public and explain what he knew of Donald Trump. And He's been telling his story but he's been doing it through standup comedy through an occasional radio interview. I know he John Melendez I keep wanting to say Menendez. But he's not one of the Menendez brothers. Those are the ones who killed their parents John Melendez Most people know as stuttering John who used to be on the Howard Stern show and then he wanted to be an announcer for the tonight show with Jay Leno and these days I guess he. He does a podcast. He's been on this program a few times. We go back many years Anyway he apparently no. Casler is a regular on stuttering John's podcast. But I just for some reason. I never reached out to him until last week. I don't know why then last week I thought you know. We're about due for a good dump on dump session and so I invited him on the show Friday and if you have not heard it you need to go back and listen. We we Excerpted police did. I gotTA thank Paul. I was planning on editing out the segment with knoll over the weekend and pushing it out on its own. So you don't have to listen through the The whole first half of the show which is when I do this. I- I- waxed philosophical. I you know deliver the news. I rant. From time to time. And then it's the second half of the show when I have a guest so a hint for those you who come looking for the guest Q. Win About thirty minutes and you'll get past this stuff and get right to the heart of the thing so like Michael. Dermott will join us at the bottom of the hour. Anyway I just had to say again. What an awesome interview that was and how much respect I have for no casler. He I worry for him and I said during the interview and I've noticed in the comments on Youtube everywhere where the where the show was posted. People are saying things like stay away from windows. Please be careful if it surprises me. That he's not been contacted by a trump attorney yet trying to invoke NDA the nondisclosure agreement. But what I'm thinking is something that we talked about. Which was you know? He's being interviewed by me. He's interviewed by stuttering John. I Guess Stephanie Miller had him on one of her shows And but why isn't he being questioned by anyone in the mainstream corporate media? This is a man who worked for Donald Trump personally worked for Ivanka as her personal person for three years. Obviously he knows things and no-one no-one from the corporate mainstream media has interviewed him. I find that to be a dereliction of duty. Frankly so anyway I you know. I've got a standing invitation for Knoll. Casler to come back anytime I I'm really impressed with him in the fact that you know he's not he's not afraid he's he's saying this is information that people need to hear and he's fearless so good for him and here. We are so all right. What do we do now? I oh I WANNA play you comedy. Song right because there's because we like to do that at the beginning of the show and there's a bunch that came out this weekend now you know. I started on this by being so enamored of Randy rainbow right his videos. I've been loving for a few years. Now he always makes me laugh not always an easy thing to do especially in times like these. But there's another group out there who is fighting for the basically fighting for the the attention that Randy Rainbow God. They are given him a run for his money. They're called founders. Sing and you know. We discovered them a few months ago. The first song they did the for Song Parody was a great rendition of American Pie. The song by Don McLean and but the reason the group has called founders sing. They used like that deep fake technology. I think that's what it called. Where where they can. They can manipulate a graphic of someone space and make it appear that they're talking or singing it looks real and so that version of American Pie I think they called it the day. Democracy died They had all the founding fathers singing the different lyrics. It was pretty epic well now founder. Sing remained the the name of their group. But it's not the founders doing the singing on each subsequent song it's different characters and so the one. They released today just about two hours ago. I happened to stumble upon it probably moments after they put it out features many of those female journalists that Donald Trump has such a problem with from Michel Singapore from the PBS Newshour Katie tour of NBC to which Jiang of CBS. You get the idea. So that's who's calling today Suzanne in the chatrooms saying it's called. Cgi But this is deeper than CGI IS NOTCH CGI computer generated images that deep faked technology. Remember a few years ago somebody released a video of Barack Obama speaking and it was What's his name Key and Peele one of those guys who was doing the voice and it wasn't real. It's it's more realistic than CGI. But again I'm not the technical person so I forgive my lack of the proper terminology anyway. here's their latest. It's called like a kidney stone. And with more than more than a simple nod to Bob Dylan alright get ready strap in and again for those who are just listening to the audio stream. I will post the video on my blog after the show today at Nicole Sandler Dot com slash five Dash Eighteen desk twenty because today's date is may eighteenth twenty twenty. Get the idea all right with no further ado away sing here. We go built a shrine to the Balassa. Daddy Freddy Always Dole Netherlands. Anybody who's not laughing the Queen's can win head no millions Co Show Scene Pat to get badly broken kid. You hit the grades ups. But there's no win stable genius bring strain as bad as has so many bankruptcies all was there one ball your foundation. Kay with drills paid the portraits and brands. And Hey this issue on settles a freaking tanking. Thanks mailing four years now. This expanding virus shave tweeted. You'd find them all you cared. That saw their winning. Well wait this. New King Tell you women that's me people. You just getting stabbed away too. Pay a company then another home guest she to report Abuse Law Day. Win You a miracle now when you disappear. He Oh yeah. Oh Yeah. Oh Yeah Founder Sing and wow I. It really is remarkable. My friend Boca Brittany Summers says a good song. Parodies shouldn't be more than like a minute or two. These people take the full songs that one was. You know six and a half minutes. The one for the first one I did the day. Democracy two American Pie was like seven and a half minutes. I'm it's okay because they're good entertaining and that was that was pretty special anyway. I will post the video on the blog at Nicole Sandler dot com after the show. I before we get to the news and Michael McDermott. Who's GonNa join us in a few minutes and a play one more a video for you and this is the guy who joined us a week ago Friday member? I was promoting that I had donald trump coming on the show and some people actually believed me believe me. I don't have that much clout not saying the Donald Trump is any great shakes. But I don't have the clout to get a sitting president on this show. We're just not that powerful but thanks to the people who played along the guy who came on with me is named J. L. Colvin and he does the best. Donald trump impression. I've ever heard bar none. You can put up anybody next to him. This guy Rules he's he's just the best and as you know this weekend President Barack Obama delivered a couple of commencement addresses. One Shoe The historically black colleges and universities done online of course and then another one for the twenty twenty high school graduating class and well. Donald was a little jealous so he did his own by channel or jail coffin channeled. Donald Trump for us. All right. Let's Take it away. J. L. Dear graduates of the class of one eight hundred eighty. Okay the go ahead glass recalling. This is the graduation speech that you obviously want. Because Obama is doing like a fake news. Graduation speech okay. Which you don't want to watch it's going to be terrible it's on CNN okay. So you can have very low ratings. So I've talked to Fox O. A. N. Newsmax and Alex Jones is bunker. And we're getting this college people in America except for the black schools and like the lady colleges. We don't like them one. Eight twenty is a stressful time for the graduate. Like you it stuff okay. Would ailing the go ahead. The invisible enemy trademark de shirts the gift shop after the speech. And it's a tough time for all of us okay. I had a wife during fifty okay. That's like way worse than any Govan off so we're all going through struggles even the president. But you're very lucky guy right now very lucky because you have me as a president. So you're going to go out there and there's GonNa be great jobs because a lot of people are being furloughed by God among great. There's a lot of death it a lot more job. Openings than people realize the fake news wants you to think it's a bad job market. We have the strongest economy ever until the coveted but the goal is opening up so many jobs in so many industries. Health Industries Fast Food Industries in every industry is having great openings. So don't listen. Mike your great great market. I bring Mike with me even to go to cyber graduation. Oh God so get out there drank. Don't social distance anymore proved the Democrats? You agree and get some of those jobs from the dead. People know gone dear graduates of the class serve. Oh and that was the end of it. Okay so there you go. That was a jail carbon. It's hard without the laugh track. But he's just so spot on all right so enough humor right. Let's get to the music but I sorry Michael. I know you're standing by very quickly. We're GONNA do a quick news update and then We'll get to the tunes okay. Because it's music Monday but for now let's check out what's happening all right. Take it away Nicole and I'm not going to do I'm not GonNa do it live? We'll do MEMOREX. It's time for Nicole. Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the Progressive Network? Donald Trump on Friday evening fired State Department. Inspector General Steve Lennick and the criticism is coming from both sides of the aisle link is the fourth internal watchdog. Trump has fired since April a pattern. That Senator Mitt Romney called quote a threat to accountable. Democracy Democrats have accused trump of engaging in a pattern of retaliation against public servants charged with oversight of his administration. Senator Bob Menendez and Congressman Eliot Engel of launched a probe into the firing as to the reason well. Lennick was reportedly involved in an investigation of Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo and was looking into whether pompeo made a staffer perform of variety of personal errands from walking his dog to picking up dry cleaning and making family dinner reservations. Lovely Federal Reserve chairman. Jerome Powell was on sixty minutes Sunday night and said that the full recovery from lockdowns intended to slow the spread of the corona virus could take until late twenty twenty one quote. This economy will recover. It may take a while. He said and Powell also described crisis as the biggest shock. The economy's had in living memory. He admitted the unemployment rate could reach twenty five percent. The Corona Virus lockdowns have brought much of the economy to a halt leaving tens of millions of Americans. On employed. Powell has urged Congress and the White House to provide more support for individuals and businesses. If the pandemic drags on he said that the economy would recover steadily in the second half of twenty twenty quote. Assuming that there's not a second wave of the corona virus that's a big assumption. Meanwhile health officials are doubling down on their warnings about mass gatherings. This is more. Us venues reopen. They say large in-person gatherings like services or meetings especially a risk because it only takes one person to set off a corona virus outbreak. Such as what happened in California where one single person exposed one hundred eighty others to the virus after attending a mother's Day Church Service Texas one of the first states to start reopening had its highest single day increase in new corona virus cases. This weekend what we're not sure of is whether the surge is simply due to more testing or if the virus is spreading more rampantly regardless more beaches amusement parks and other destinations are looking to reopen. As soon as Memorial Day and the start of summer rapidly approaching so it is graduation season and the class of twenty twenty is doing it. Virtually former President Barack Obama delivered commencement speeches on Saturday to graduating seniors at historically black colleges and universities and in another speech broadcast on major television networks to graduating high school seniors. Nationwide Obama didn't mention trump by name but parts of both speeches were widely seen as rebukes of trump's handling of the covert nineteen pandemic more than anything this pandemic is fully finally torn back the curtain on the idea that so many of the folks in charge know what they're doing a lot of them aren't even pretending to be in church if the world's going to get better it's going to be up to you with everything suddenly feeling like it's up for grabs. This is your time to seize the initiative trump on Sunday responding to his comment said this of the forty fourth president issue was all I could say lassie after. Hey tweeting about Obama. Trump spent a good portion of a Sunday night watching sixty minutes. Then fume tweeting about it after the segment with health and Human Services Whistle Blower Dr Rick. Bright Twitter tweeted quote this whole whistle blow Iraq. It needs to be looked at very very closely. It is causing great injustice and harm. I hope you are listening. Senator Susan Collins. I also hope that Sherry Redstone will take a look in her poorly performing gang. She knows how to make things right it. The House on Friday night passed. It's three trillion dollar corona virus relief bill dubbed the heroes. Act It past mostly along party lines. Though fourteen. Democrats voted against it most of them conservatives in red districts worried about the November election although many progressives argued the bill didn't go far enough was too much of a giveaway to the for profit Insurance Industry Progressive Congressional Caucus Co Chair Pramilla giant. Paul was the only member to vote against it. Saying quote at the core our response from Congress must match the true scale of this devastating crisis. The Heroes Act while it contains many important provision simply fails to do that. She added that the bill quote does not keep workers in their jobs and guarantee the certainty of paychecks. That's true and although it's known that the Senate won't even deal with this bill speaker. Nancy Pelosi urged lawmakers to come together to pass a new relief package sooner than later despite the Republicans decision to hit the pause button on talks. Yup instead of working on helping the American people during the biggest economic medical crisis in our lifetimes. This Senate this week is scheduled to deal only with nominations with a number of votes teed up throughout the week on judicial nominees before the chamber breaks for Memorial Day. The House is expected to return until May twenty seven twenty eighth to vote on five at reauthorization with the schedule up in the air beyond that but the house did pass a rules change Friday night to for the first time in its two hundred and thirty one year. History temporarily authorized remote committee work and proxy voting on the House floor during the pandemic. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. Nicole Sandler if you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. And I can't do it without your help. Find OUT MORE NICOLE SANDLER DOT COM. And while you're there please click on that donate button all right. We are back and I am thrilled to do for the inaugural episode. I guess of Music Mondays here. Nicole Sandler show Michael McDermott. Welcome to the show I Nicole. Hi. It's so good to see you. I can't see you know. Maybe that's just me. You can't see me for some reason I'm getting I'm getting a bit of reverse on your voice. That's a bad guy was going to sing. Oh is that from you okay? I thought it was because I got a new mixing board here and it's got all kinds of cool effects and I was playing with it over the weekend. I thought I was shit. I left reverse up on this channel so you can turn. I'll give you. I'll give you ample notice before you. Oh much better okay. Well not that. The river was cool but I thought I was. Having flashback or something so minute tweeted is that right. Not Twitter. Tweeted tweeted yes. It's somebody in the chat room. Just ask why. Are we calling him? Hitler what did I miss something and I said I didn't call him Hitler. I called him twitter and he is. You know it's one of my many nicknames for at least he's GonNa call everyone else by nicknames. We can use just absolutely him and he has a twitter. So don't bring a knife to a gunfight no you don't that's true so Michael McDermott You've been kicking around making great music for a long long time. In fact I sent Mike a file. I hope you sent it along to you of an interview you did at the station. I worked out in Los Angeles. It was back at must've been like ninety five or ninety six. Yeah it was. I think it was ninety six and I did. I did get it. Thank you and I listened to it and it was funny. It was it was quite like hearing someone else. Talk and Mike Mike Farley. My publicist said Geez. Sound didn't even sound like you and I said well in a lot of ways it wasn't me you know that was a very early Creation of what? I what I turned out to be. You know so it was. It was interesting hearing that guy. Talk Right and it's you know I go back and I listened to a lot of interviews from that era because we that radio station was so unique and so and and I was saying at the beginning of the show we got to break so many artists and there are a handful of radio stations in that format. Now you're based in Chicago where W X. Rt has been going strong for all these years. I don't know if they're still as great as they used to be. But W X. RT is the perfect example of a great AAA radio station. It is they have been. They've sustain themselves for a long time. It has changed has become like everything but oddly enough this song that we're GonNa you're gonNA play They've they've added now. They haven't edited Song of Mine. In in twenty years and the nature of the song. I was incredibly impressed by them. Putting a adding to rotation Asong such as well tell us about the song. Because that's the I want you know you're going to play a song for us in a little bit but you. This is the first single from the album and it is and you have an amazing video produced for it and I thought I I really would love to play the video. So we'll do that and you'll perform a different song force but tell us about. Tell us about this song. We'll show invite all the time it's been thirty year career or so and so you know as I was you know I do my little morning writing sessions and and You know obviously you know. The world was a was a Utopian Society for me for about three days when the cubs won the world series on. Was it November first at midnight To then November fourth when trump was elected president? You know it was too good to be true. I should have known something like this would happen. that the cubs finally world series. And then it all goes to hell You know that was like the first sign of the apocalypse so But you know during the course of these are these morning writing sessions. You know you. Just it's what I do so it was nothing different from me really just you know obviously to the lens of the D- Deconstruction of Organiz society. you know these things filtered in and then when I started playing it live I just noticed response in you know you being in Radio. You know that there are songs just grab people and So I don't really know that as a perform until you play them and some songs you think are great and then you play them live and nobody really reacts and you wonder why and but this was a song that just media had immediacy and it was amazing. See and I. I don't think I've ever really had a song like this that that. Grab people that much. And obviously it's alienated some people You know when you do it in you know very red states but I. I'm surprised a lot of the people. Come up and go yeah. The kids in cages linemen that yeah and people still you know I you know I joke at the F. replay it. I'd do it early in the show and I say I like to weed out the weaker early and So people WANNA walk out your to so But I'm surprised how many people really get it because I think even if they've been indoctrinated in a certain way of certain ideology that they don't like that guy I mean obviously some people do but even Republicans most don't really like this guy you know and And you know in my own recovery. I've got to say you know. Learn traumatized kid. If he wasn't so dangerous I would have empathy towards him because really he was an unloved person. When you're raised thinking the world's a dangerous place and you gotta get yours before they get it. And that's how he was raised and he's a product of you know that and I feel sorry for a long time. You know what a broken broken man but again. If it wasn't so dangerous I would actually feel I mean he needs real real therapy and you know I'm a recovering drug addict and alcoholic and a lot of the behavior. I see is very addiction. Based behavior in terms of the dopamine hits HE NEEDS YOU. Know with the tweeting. And all that. And it's just it's really use a junkie really. Here's and apparently. I'm not supposing that you heard my show on Friday but as I was saying at the top I had this guy on as a guest knoll. Casler who emerged about a year and a half ago and He had been a wrangler talent wrangler on the celebrity apprentice for like six seasons and so he worked very closely not only with Donald trump but with Ivanka and jared and the whole gang and he's not holding his tongue did have to sign a nondisclosure agreement but unlike everybody else he's not afraid and he is speaking out and some of the stuff that he told us is blood-curdling. Oh I'll send you the link to just that interview it's frightening and yes. Despite the fact that that trump claims to be a teetotaler he doesn't drink a liberal. He doesn't do drugs he absolutely does. Drugs are the the suspicion. We've all had that you know. He's snorting adderall all the time. Apparently that's real. And he had a coke habit and he's had you know. I'll just send you the interview because I can't possibly paraphrase all the things he said but it is. It's more frightening than we knew. Yes so so so adderall as one is taken it is. It doesn't produce the kind of rage that he is. You know I would say it's definitely much more coke based I mean I just I know from experience I'm a drug addict and so I know this and I just see all the signs man I just I go. Oh boy you know like and I just recognize. It makes me very uncomfortable. Because you know we've all anybody in addiction understands that plate. You know I hear Ya Arts this the song we're about to play as what in the world anything you want to say or just. Obviously it's talking about our dear leader And and the Times that we're living in no that's that's really it? Was you know in some ways? Kind of no. Majd to subterranean homesick blues by Bob Dylan and evident in the video. Even use the word subterranean make it easy roadmap for people but no it's just It's it you know in. I'm not I don't claim to you. Know much about anything really except I just I know what I you know. Jack Kerouac says every story. I tell US troop because I believe in what I see and this is what I see. Okay the song is what in the world? It's Michael McDermott on Monday. Music on the Nicole Sandler show here. We go the Robin violent a drink and we do you read new walls. Along the keen game will live a billion people so deliver viewing going good NBC John on Chatty Donald Bullet van tavern white noise James Joyce a is stay by bank news website. Pritam with man. It doesn't sit right clean. Coal Nice full apply. Jim Prove that the president is if you're eighty eight REDNECK RADICAL. David move back in Dane fees lug white pass class bad ass guy who faded gated segregated neo Nazi White Fast Flat. Catholic pamphlet talked in the world is an COM. A Michael Mc Dermott. Ooh sorry I just cut it off too soon. At the end it was fading out. Michael McDermott What in the world. Oh my goodness what. What a great song. First of all it rocks number one number two the the the the lyrics are brilliant. The video is wonderful. Who produced video a guy named Brian? Fitzpatrick New Jersey. Yeah because we did it during the quarantine so we couldn't really well we My wife and I shot the outside stuff. B break before Wow Yeah and you know. I mentioned this to you in an email. I have to bring it up because there was a section where I'm guessing. Maybe it was filmed in Puerto Rico after the The hurricane there and there were dogs being rescued and it said big dog ranch up in the corner of the screen while big you. I live in south Florida and I spend well before the Corentin I spend my weekends volunteering at the Broward County. Animal shelter helping to dogs adopted and big dog. Ranch is a wonderful rescue facility. Down here is one of the best that we work with and they do amazing work and I know they went down to Puerto Rico to help. Rescue some of the animals from there. So I'm guessing that made it into your video and big dog ranch. I got all excited. I will mention that the Brian please do. Please do so. This What in the world is the title track of the album? That is coming out at the beginning of June. Yes and tell us about the record so that obviously is the lead off track. Yes so it's been you know it's We debated whether to put it out or not but you know my argument was that you know everyone is a captive audience. Now so and I think it's if anything the record should have come out sooner I've been kind of sitting on the song for probably a year and a half so anxious for it to get out and you know but you know you have to set it up and all that stuff but yeah it's it's kind of it's it's You know it was hard to sequence because it's kind of covers a broad range of things I talk about the mother Emmanuel Shooting in South Carolina and And talking about my own traumas a child so it covers a broad spectrum. spectrum of of traumatized society very inflamed society at and or the the is the rest of the album as socially conscious as well or are there not there. Are there certain things I mean? The mother Emmanuel is is obviously a kind of a historical a record of what happened on that night and So in what in what led to it and so the rest of it is just kind of the the product of of the society. We live in that so many people fall into addiction and mental health issues. And because you know and the funny thing about wanting to reopen so fast I don't understand what society what what idyllic life is everyone so eager to get back to because you know. Quentin quite frankly. Nobody seeing that fucking happy to me and to rush to rebuild Babylon. I don't get it and So in in it's what we've proven that we can. We can stop air travel. I mean it's amazing things we can do when it's a collective and I think why not take this time to restructure society that works better for everybody. That's that's but everyone's just ain't inc anxious to get back to to what it is that they were miserable so what was broken in. The first place was totally broken. What wasn't working for anybody. In the first place. We just went from one crisis to another. And and so you want. What's the rush right? Let's figure this out. I just you know I hear you all right. Well let me set the mood. I'm here in south Florida and it is getting ready to storm outside so hopefully Hopefully our power will stay out south Florida's notorious for cutting the power when there's rain the power flex but we'll we'll be good the my my streaming Apparatus is on a uninterruptible power source. We hope so with that said Michael McDermott's there with Gotaro and hand for Monica at the mouth. And what are you GonNa do for us? I'm GONNA do song called no matter what. Which is you know. It's kind of a you know so much stuff. It's getting to the point of ridiculous but it's about my recovery from a very traumatized existence and into one of of light and peace which is what the whole journey has been about for me really so this is called no matter what Ask Burned Rambo. Pitching the could've cavanaugh and next common correct built my bags with your starting in digging at. That's still running to kissed. The violence over did the B. Back say say Woah. I was they've store. Espn hanging the dark NBA. The hard on guineas uneven. Things can always get this little words stall taught no matter. it Woah. Wow Michael McDermott. Just sounds so wonderful. Thank you so much for doing this no matter what is the name of? That's another one from the album. The album it's called. What in the world. It'll be released June fifth. It's coming out and so you have There's GonNa be a listening party. Tell what what's plan? I mean it's hard to do anything right now. We're we're all stuck in quarantine right. I know it is. It's weird. I'm getting kind of getting used to it. But do is show and and online in your room and you play and you finish and no one applauds which is good. Because I had many years of that happening in public so I'm used or not not hearing that applause Pavlovian applause that you know you. Entertainer needs but I'm doing these shows on stage. It and I'm going to do show on June fifth at night and then the night of June fifth and then June six. We're GONNA do a European friendly show and do it at three in the afternoon. Nice Obviously touring plans are on. Hold right now until we know what's going to happen. Yes get more shows are canceled and supposed to be in Europe right when this thing hit and so you know. I was tempted to go My wife was adamant that I not she was right. She's been one hundred percent right about all this and I would have been stuck over there. Yeah so It was good. I didn't go but yene in. They're talking about ocober back in Norway. I just don't know it's so hard to say if even happens so I think twenty twenty one's a good bet but because you know they're talking about a second wave and all that it's it is frightening But I'm glad you're doing the stage of thing you know. I some of my friends at Jill. So buell I know has been doing a bunch of shows on stage it. Dan Navarro has been doing a nightly thing songs. What does he called songs from the quarantine zone or something like that and a lot of people are I? Guess trying to just keep the creative juices flowing doing online things. Are you doing any sort of online jams or anything? No I'm not doing that in I saw WanNa dance shows and it was great and But I just do once a week and I think that's about as much as I could stand of myself you know and so yes not doing anything beyond that but I I. My routine really hasn't switched that much since the pandemic it's A. It's kind of Nice late. You know. It's a quiet existence I live and besides being on the road and I don't Miss Sixteen flights in nineteen nineteen days So that's been you know a leaf in some ways you know and But you know the people that are vulnerable. I just can't imagine how bad it is out there for them and and I don't want to make light of things aren't so bad for me but But you know it's an obviously my my my wellbeing of secondary importance right now. Well I mean for all of us where we're having to confront thoughts that maybe we didn't have to before. Look I turn sixty in November. I never thought I'd be sixty right but I also I survived lung cancer about three and a half years ago. So I'm down along but most of my left long has other than that. I'm fine but my husband and my daughter. Don't let me leave out. I've really except to walk my dog. I haven't left this house in probably eight weeks. So it's a weird feeling and but but on the but on the other hand the world has gotten a lot smaller. You mentioned going to Norway. Well I've been doing a segment on my show. And then I call quarantine calling and I've been connecting with people over the world. I spoke to somebody in Finland. Someone I think in Norway. Somebody in Germany Australia New Zealand. Italy just connecting with people all the world who are in the same predicament. We are there quarantining at home trying to stay safe from this virus and it's a very it is a it's something that just brings the world a little smaller doesn't it's even the playing field on a lot of ways there. Isn't that disparity that you we all feel that that low inaudible of equality? You know it's kind of changed that a little bit and the quiet less planes fly live by midway airport now so it's very quiet and I think it would be a shame. I think it'd be a tragedy to just go back and like nothing changed right. It's crazy like you know so it just doing whatever you can. I'm trying a lot of different things now myself. And you know You know some are crazy and holistic and and Seem half mad and that's okay and but you know taking masterclasses online. You can't trying to like like when I go back out. I hope I'm a different. I hope better person just just heavier and Lazier and more often know some different. Some of us will be and when you see the people fighting against the the prescriptions to wear masks. It's like what is wrong with these people. Just you know they. They need to chill out. They need I don't yeah. That's just mind boggling. Did you see the thing that somebody wrote about Bill Gates? I know you know I have it on my phone time. Or WE'RE GONNA. We're we're and this is just amazing. I said so. It says Imagine Being Bill Gates. Right now you spend thirty years of your life and fifty billion dollars of your own dollars. Supporting humanitarian causes you directly save hundreds of thousands of lives in Southeast Asia by providing anti-malaria netting for half the continent you drop infant mortality rates throughout the entire developing world by funding vaccine programs including vaccinating forty million children for polio and among the Plethora of philanthropic endeavors you fund free Educational Platforms Konica Academy so people can have free access to high quality education. Then after donating half of your wealth to charity and pledging ninety percent of the remainder to charity and your will arguably doing more to better life on earth for humanity than any other human being alive. Then you hop on the Internet only to find a million scientifically illiterate fucking missiles that are using the computers that you've pretty much invented in the first place to call a child call you a child murdering Art arch-villain Anti Christ because you watched. They watched a youtube video. Made by some other comprehension of a fucking potato that about sums. It up is just. Yeah well that. Yeah the crazies are out that plan democ video. I have not watched it but I know enough to stay away from it anywhere. Yeah Yeah it's also like a diet you've got you have to be careful of what you ingest like. It's not good. It's toxic those things like even like they're harmless. You're not going to believe him. Whenever watching you gotta stay away from that stuff. There's so much to choose from out there so you know. Choose the quality stuff with that. Michael McDermott would you do one more song? Oh Jeez okay. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I heard that at home so this is not a happy one. Okay old man at the county. He couldn't see no one seemed to make move off any notes. She then last night at the bus now closed chicken at a simple God bless now in the final month room was painted blue and name. It know what else to in fifty years of marriage. He made it chill. July back is she began curb. The social use were were oil C. Seen than GONNA Work Sir Ages. Got Off the phone. Mr Kathy want Roy getting her each is back on this little Greek. Your Michael McDermott. Oh that was beautiful and and watching the the chat room during that we had a couple of people say this is wonderful. It's making me cry so Crying is good sometimes and it's very necessary and and I've always said the the mark of a truly great song is one that that that prom suit a visceral reaction physical reaction There are some songs doesn't matter how many times I've heard him over the years. I get goosebumps or they make me cry and those are the songs. I think that lasts forever. That's not from the new album. Is it or was it was the last one. Yeah Yeah so Michael. Mcdermott is his name. The website is Michael. Dash Mc Dermott. I will put links on my blog. Nicole Sandler DOT COM. I'll also post the video of the new song the title track from the forthcoming album. What in the world. That is out on June fifth. I'm sure it's available now for preorder Congratulations that song is Great. And and Look I'm no longer doing music radio but to me. That's why because there aren't the stations my stations in La went off the air. And frankly it was you know fifteen years ago. I started doing talk radio. Yeah you're doing great and really keep keep fighting the good. Oh thank you. We'll someone's got to do it right. And and and but but you know I love having you on here and you know I i WanNa bring back some of the music stuff. So maybe this is a good impetus to start with music Monday so I'd be honored to come back anytime. I would love that. Michael McDermott again. Check out the new album June fifth. It's in stores. You can find it. I guess all the usual places the spotify the Amazons and the itunes and all that stuff apple music artists now called Michael. Thank you so much. It was great talking to you and we'll stay in touch. Okay you take care thanks. Bye-bye all right What a treat. That was How about What a way to start the week tomorrow. we'll continue the week. It's tomorrow's Tuesday gotTA laugh. We'll be here you know it's back to business as usual but I think we need to do Music Mondays. All right. I'll start working on it. Okay I guess I need to To to start playing my exit music you know just I I should mention for those of you who ask and many have the music that I play as a theme with sort of the title music before the show begins and at the end I is is well. I don't know the name of it. 'cause I don't know that it was ever a fully fleshed out song but this beautiful piece is is a product of lily. Hayden a Y. D. N. Lily Hayden. She's a magnificent violinist in addition to other Brilliant ses and young. Go if you're on spotify or apple music whatever look for Lily. Hayden H. A. Y. D. N. You love her music as well. We need to bring back the music stuff all right on a new mission We'll we'll get there all right So this week as well tell you we've got laffy tomorrow Eliana. Stahl joins us on Wednesday Howie Klein will be here on Thursday and Governor Don Siegelman. We'll be back on Friday. No Don siegelman book coming out talking about his time. As a political prisoner he was The subject of a vendetta by Karl Rove when when Governor Siegelman was governor of Alabama And he spent a number of years in a federal prison because he was the subject of a political prosecution. It's ugly and his story is coming out in a book. The book doesn't come out until the middle of June. What we're going to talk about this. Friday is Don siegelman advice to the Democrats on how to win the election in November. So got a busy week planned and of course whatever. The news brings us so thank you as always for listening. Thanks for stopping by on a Monday and starting in new Hopefully a new weekly feature. We'll see gotTA start reaching out to my old music industry connections and see what grade artists we can bring on all right. I'll work on it. I'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening everyone by.

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20200611 Nicole Sandler Show - Thursdays with Howie Klein and More Down-Ballot Progressives

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20200611 Nicole Sandler Show - Thursdays with Howie Klein and More Down-Ballot Progressives

"We're here hold on, here. Hey a welcome to a Thursday another Thursday boy. The weeks are going by quickly. But. There are some of us. The some of us who are still. Sheltering at home, saying safely at home, and I am certainly one of them and for good reason I mean we're seeing. Well, the stock market tanked today. Did you see that if you have money in the stock market I'm sorry. But what we've now learned is stocks plummeted today as the emergence of new corona virus hotspots and a caution from the Federal Reserve chairman took Wall Street. Down and it and it killed off months of steady gains. The Dow Jones Industrial Average today closed with a loss of eighteen hundred and sixty one points, plunging six point nine percent for its worst day since March. So yeah, the S. and P. Five hundred closed with the loss of five point, nine percent the Nasdaq Song, five point three percent and you know Donald. Trump has tweeted anything about how great the stock market's doing today. Come on Donald He's been busy. He's now in Dallas. Where he is I, don't know he's currently meeting with some. Black leaders except most notably the police chief sheriff, and District Attorney, of Dallas all of whom are black were not invited. That that SORTA says all you need to know about what what this president is all about. He is a bigot, a racist, a homophobe. A white supremacist I mean we could keep going, but you get the drift just shameful. And while he was on Air Force One on his way to. Dallas obviously, he was tweeting. He was tweeting out a lot of stuff about. Too much distortion on distorted. Tell me you're telling me all right. Thank you. You guys Let me know I'm over modulating. Tell me if it gets any better all right. I'm I'm working on it. We don't. We don't want to be over modulating so and it still sounds over. That's okay, maybe if I do this. That'll help a little bit hopefully. That helps a little bit okay. Let me. Know if that's any better. Thanks, I depend on. You guys to be my producers. is that any better all right always to hear from you all right so? Yacht, it's Thursday as I started to say, and it seems like every Thursday I say we made it to another Thursday in isolation I, mean and again how a client is are standing guest. Every Thursday and he's home to I. Guess, Look, this is what we older people should be doing. I can't believe I'm saying one of the older people, but I am. And the look. There's a protest happening on completely unrelated to the bigger issues that the nation is out in the streets about it here in south Florida where I live in. You know that I spent the better part of the year before the shutdown began volunteering at the. County, animal, shelter and obviously they closed their doors to the public on March twenty second. That was the last day. I really loved the House to do anything other than walk my dog or go to a doctor's appointment. and this Saturday, a group of the other volunteers and animal rights activists here in South Florida is holding a protest out at the shelter. Because even with the shelters closed still too much trouble even with the shelters closed We They're still they're they're. They're euthanizing animals that are ridiculous rate and so They're having a protest at the shelter this Saturday I obviously will not be there because what we're seeing our numbers spiking everywhere and we knew they would they. They're spiking. It's been two weeks since Memorial Day and people said okay. We're open again and went out and didn't do the social distancing and didn't do the wear masks and thumb their noses and Donald Trump says it's not patriotic to wear a mask whatever Now is the time people really need to be diligent and stay safe. Let me start here. The number of corona virus cases recorded in the US passed the two million mark yesterday. And we've surpassed one hundred and thirteen thousand deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University yes. The pandemics toll is continuing to rise as some of the states had started reopening. Their economies earliest are experiencing. These new surges in new infections and experts are cautioning that this is not a second wave because the United States has yet to emerge from its first wave of the corona virus and You know and look with so much. Attention was paid to New York, which had the original. Corona virus Epidemic I really take it a city, a major city to its peak, and because the virus has been on the decline in New York, the total case, counts and deaths in the US don't seem to be steeply rising, but in many cases they are. New Hot spots are continuously emerging across the country. Eighteen states are seeing an increase in case counts including sharp increases in Arizona Texas, and yes, in Florida. So as guilty as I feel about not taking to the streets with a black lives matter sign. I'm trying to be diligent. We're now. We're still really loud a this doesn't make sense all right the other day. We were too low. We were we were just under modulated, and now we're. We're over modulating I I. Don't know I. Don't know on Youtube on Youtube I. It doesn't look like we're over modulating on youtube all right I'll do my best. I'm going to bring it down here and up this way and see if that's any better. All, right Hopefully hopefully, it'll. It'll it'll? Even itself out I'm sorry it's. It's Youtube telling me now. This is the people that are listening at Nicole Sandler Dot Com. Are you guys OK? On the progressive voices player I'm okay. I'm not too loud all right. It's a work in Progress I. Keep saying all right. We're going to get back to this, but I wanted to open with a focus on covert nineteen, which is still. Devastating, this nation and just because Donald, trump is playing sergeant Schultz I. See nothing I hear nothing unknown, not saying. You can't ignore it ignoring. It doesn't ever make a problem. Go Away. So please remain diligent. If you have to go out, we're facemask. Study was released. I think yesterday that showed if everybody would wear. A face mask then. The instances of spread would be lessened. But it but again. And again I haven't been out much I. Go out to this appointment. I told you that I'm doing this treatment for depression. I have to go in every day for about twenty minutes. It's about five ten minutes from my house. but I wear gloves. I wear gloves. I wear a mask I. Get in the car. I go right to the office I. I. Come Right home. I throw away the gloves. I leave them ask in the car I only and I am remaining diligent, because frankly I'm not ready to die yet and being down along from fighting lung cancer. I'm in a high risk group, so please do what you need to do to protect yourself. This isn't even close to over, not even close. Okay with that, said I WANNA. Start as I try to usually with something humorous, and and our POW Lauren Mayer is out with another new diddy. It was just a couple of weeks ago. I was asking about. What what it means to be called to Karen. I'm an old fart. Now and I I'm not up on. The the popular vernacular of the day sometimes. One of these days have to tell you about an interview. I did with Ben Harper back in the early nineties, and I didn't understand old school. seriously. Yes I will share that with you one of these days anyway. You guys all in for me of what Karen is, and I've been educated beyond. You guys as well and. I feel sorry for people named Karen, but I get the concept and no I'm not a Karen thank you very much, but Lauren Mayer has a new song. Called Ivanka is the new Karen. Thought we would enjoy that together, shall we? It's the Nicole Sandler show and our friend. Lauren Mayer. Entitled White Women achieved so much famed we, they build them Keran as SORTA game, which also tacked nice ones, and that was a shame, but now there's up perfect new. Who Yes Yvonne. Is the new cavern after her insipid speech US wherein nothing but meaningless. Their Brin. That's why on kinds now than do Karen. Without a few tears like the ones I shed for the protesters teargassed for Daddy's photo-op. IVANKA's thing. Their wisdom needs to be food. No matter how clue this or Up sued by meaning and Grammar. Undeterred what they just starchitect on New Bird Oh. Yes, Yvonne. New Karen Kay with yourself satisfied, smirking glaring plus trying to sell us this smarter. She's wearing a genuine feeling and talent cheese Bayrou. WHOA, you people will be inspired by hearing that I have found my own greatest personal growth for moments of discomfort like that one, too. I had to fly commercial. She compiled some cliches and had some staffer. And thought we would all be impressed and delighted, but it's not council culture when you're this. Because of violence, you have incited. Yvan. New Karen. Failed Shoe designer whose privileges Blair in lectures on this come. To stop sharing with her breathy voice, foodies smile and mirrored stare. No person will be unchanged albeit this present hardship, but your adventure will commence ever knew on a relative basis into show you. How smart I am also throwing references to Isaac Newton and star. This vain! Princess. Fake nose and Blonde Ryan says who's smugness causes win, says and you clearly Vinci's known knowledge or compassion, not an IMB. But, we'll get rid of after. We'll get rid of her. After, we'll get rid of her after November Lauren Mayer everybody she does. She does great work. You can find her at I. Think Psycho Crazy. Mama just Lauren Mayer any y. e, R.. You can find her everywhere. Facebook, you know twitter and Youtube as well all right, so there's our bid of. Our bit of funny for today. The rest of the is not going to be so funny. Things are real, and in fact, there's so much news to get to that. Let's just get to it. Shall we and okay? We haven't done it in a while, so we'll do it live. Okay. Doing Law. Law Gun. You just can't shut up. Bill O'Reilly. Would you just go away already? Already? You know he was supposed to be doing this new streaming show and I forget I think it was for Viacom where the employees are sort of mutinying mutinying. and. Is demanding that they not run this streaming show with bill. O'Reilly just in case you were wondering. Because he's a bigot and a racist to all right. Let's let's start with. The Orange Idiot who is now in Dallas meeting with you know African American leaders, but didn't invite any of the Dallas officials from the mayor. The police chief to the. Da who all happen to be black, just lovely. Anyway. Trump yesterday rejected calls to rename US military bases that are named after confederate generals, a demand that has picked up steam as protests against racial injustice grow across the nation, civil rights activists, and now with the support of some former military officials are pressuring the government. To change the names of such installations installations as Fort. Bragg. And Fort Benning saying they glorify generals who led the fight to preserve slavery during the civil war. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for removing eleven confederate statues from the capital protesters toppled a statue of confederate President Jefferson Davis in Virginia in Richmond Virginia. And and I'm still hot telling me, and lost my place because it's a way to look over at the chat room and trump tweeted quote, our histories, the greatest nation in the world will not be tampered with. He really is clueless. I mean truly clueless. Well. This just happened. The Republican led Senate Armed Services. Committee, approved an amendment offered by Senator Elizabeth Warren. to the annual defense policy belted NDA that would require the Pentagon to rename basis and other assets that are named after confederate military leaders. It gives them three years to do it and well this Elizabeth Warren tweeted out a thread about it. Here's what she wrote. Last week I filed an amendment. What let me get Elizabeth Warren Cause for those of you watching. It'll be better. Just dropped her a well have my Elizabeth Warren. Action figure I was GONNA have her. preening for the camera, but oh well. Anyway she wrote last week filed amendment men to the annual defense bill to rename all bases named for confederate generals yesterday. Senate Armed Services. Committee members reached an agreement. The US military must rename those military installations within three years. Oh. It continues. She wrote. That's not all under this new agreement. The Pentagon would be required to remove all names. Symbols displays monuments and paraphernalia that honor or commemorate the confederate states from all department of Defense assets from ships, barracks and other military property. Changing the names of our bases Elizabeth. Warren continued in this twitter thread writing. She says won't erase the history of slavery in the legacy of white supremacy in the US where fighting for legislation, oversight and accountability to root out systemic racism, but it's long past time to stop honoring this ugly legacy. I'm still urging. leaders to take action now and to be thoughtful about who we memorialize going forward. We should honor the contribution of Black Brown native women service members and others who have served I'm grateful she concludes. By writing that the armed services. Committee is taking this step forward Donald, trump should listen to his own party members and Pentagon leaders who recognized that it's time to respect generations of loyal US service members and rename these bases. So! How did the Orange Asshole respond? With a tweet of course, and here's how the idiot responded. Seriously failed presidential candidate Senator Elizabeth Pocahontas Warren just introduced an amendment on the renaming of many of our legendary military bases from which we trained to win. Two World Wars hopefully are great. Republican senators won't fall for this. You're a little late trump they already did. And, not only that there was A. A just a massive. Moment earlier today when General Mark Milley the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff in a prerecorded video commencement address to the National Defense University apologized, apologize for taking part in trump's photo op last week in which tear gas and rubber bullets were used to clear. Lafayette Square of peaceful protesters. This is part of what he said. As. Many of you saw the result of the photograph of me at Lafayette Square last week that sparked a national debate about the role of the military and civil society. I should not have been there. Might presence in that moment and in that environment. Created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics. Is a commissioned uniformed officer. It was a mistake that I've learned from. And I sincerely hope we all can learn from it. We who wear the cloth our nation? Come from the people of our nation. We must hold dear the principle. Of An apolitical military that is so deeply rooted. In the very essence of our republic. And this is not easy. Takes time and work and effort. But. It may be the most important thing. Each and every one of us does every single day. Yes it is and that sent shockwaves. Down tensions are reportedly running very high between. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Milley Secretary of Defense Esper- and Donald Trump, and by the way those two to trump's idiotic tweet, my God, he's such a fucking moron. The those soldiers were fighting against the US government. Just saying. in another truly idiotic move Donald. Trump announced Tuesday that he will hold a rally in Tulsa Oklahoma on June nineteenth. Now June nineteenth. I know if you're listening to this show you know is known as June eighteenth. It's a holiday commemorating well, not just the end of slavery, but but the well you know what? Actually, I heard Eugene. Robinson explain June teens and the history. Of Tulsa Oklahoma and why? It is such an affront for Donald Trump to announce that he will hold a rally in all places Tulsa Oklahoma on June nineteenth. Again Eugene, Robinson explaining remand patient proclamation was issued at the beginning of eighteen sixty three during the civil war, however, for obvious reasons, it was not announced to the enslaved people who were freed by the emancipation proclamation during the war. And so, that didn't happen. Until the war was over and the last state, in which enslaved African Americans were told that they had been emancipated that they had been freed West Texas and that happened on June nineteen, eighteen, sixty five do nineteenth June nineteenth and so that date. Is Is. Celebrated by many African Americans, and that's the significance. Oh, good date! Significant Place Tulsa Ninety nine years ago. The perhaps most horrific race riot in our nation's history. We wanted them took place in Tulsa Oklahoma the was race riot, according to what was the definition race right up until the sixty s which was a riot by white people against black people, and and and this centered on. A part of Tulsa African American business district that had been known as the Black Wall Street and it was. It was a horrific a horrific mob. Attack on. Innocent African Americans killed. On, perhaps hundreds of people it's unclear exactly how many there? Some efforts underway now and also to to. What might be mass graves was a prolific then, and and that was ninety nine years ago. That's a significant in knows how to pick this president. He knows how to pick on this president Eugene Robinson says I'm not sure. You know I look not to cut trump any slack because he certainly doesn't deserve it but I don't know that he knows I think one of his advisors like Stephen Miller, by the way who reportedly row is writing or wrote the speech that trump is supposed to be giving on. Race relations. I think today in Dallas. If I'm not mistaken. Stephen Miller probably is the one who said Hey I know. Let's your rally in Tulsa Oklahoma on June teen. Let's do that. Right! And trump goes. Okay, 'cause he doesn't know any better. I. I have no way to prove this, but it just. I! You know I don't think he's. Well read enough to know the history. He doesn't know any history. He knows nothing. So while I would like to lay the blame for this travesty at his feet, I think it's the people that he surrounds himself with. Like Stephen Miller, who came up with this idea? and. He just goes along with it because this is his trusted adviser. It is indeed opposite world. We live in opposite world. Thought. You knew you never knew it. Sideways, straight facts no longer matter. Reality is del fiction. Signpost up ahead. You're next up opposite were. All Right, so we've got. Howie Klein coming up and you know with our new format with progressive voices network yesterday. It didn't work tried to fire off. Commercials didn't work. We'll try it again today again as I keep saying, it's a work in progress, so we'll try to fire the commercials here and see what happens. All right allegedly progressive voices in commercials now I'm going to keep going. Because there's there's another crazy, just insane bat shit crazy story! When you think you know they can't get. Insane enough the trump administration pull something like this. The trump campaign demanded an apology and retraction from CNN for a poll. They released on Monday. That showed presumptive democratic. Presidential nominee. Joe Biden leading him fifty five percent to forty one percent among registered voters the survey. The survey also put trump's approval rating at thirty eight percent, his lowest since January of two thousand nineteen since he took office. In a cease desist letter sent to CNN President Jeff. Zucker, the trump campaign called the survey quote, a stunt and a phony poll to 'cause voter suppression stifle momentum and enthusiasm for the president. That's the end of the quote and downplay his support using a quote, biased questionnaire and skewed sampling. Now. All the reports say. CNN rejected their demands. Out of hand but I I have the response letter that they sent an. It is just too good, so it's from CNN. CNN's executive vice president and general counsel a man named David Vigilante the what a name! And here's the he wrote dear Ms Ellis. I guess that's who the letter from trump's campaign came from this response to your letter dated June ninth two thousand. Twenty to my knowledge. This is the first time in its forty year history. That CNN has been threatened with legal action because an American politician or campaign did not like CNN's polling results. To the extent, we received legal threats from political leaders in the past. They've typically come from countries like Venezuela or other regimes where there is little or no respect for a free and independent media. And then he goes on to say, CNN is well aware of the reputation John McLaughlin McLaughlin associates have in two thousand fourteen, that firm famously reported that Eric Cantor was leading his primary challenger. Dave Brat by thirty four points only to lose by eleven. A forty five points swing. The firm currently has a C. D. rating from five thirty eight in any event, McLaughlin was able to evaluate and criticize CNN's most recent poll, because CNN is transparent and publishes its methodology along with its polling results because of this McLaughlin was free to publish his own critique of CNN's analysis and share his criticisms of the US across the US media landscape. That's how free speech works. It's the American way. And the letter concludes. By saying your letter is factually and legally baseless. It it isn't yet another bad faith attempt. To threaten litigation to muzzle speech. It does not want voters to read or hear your allegations of demands are rejected in their entirety very truly yours David See, vigilante. This you know this is. This is a complete and total meltdown. It's just it's. It's a disaster waiting to happen. It's a disaster in progress I mean we're watching it on folding, but oh my God, if ever, we needed to turn the tides. At the ballot box it is. Which is one reason that Howie Klein and I get together every Thursday to talk about. Elections to. Who Runs? The Blue America PAC to let you know about really great progressive candidates that his organization and Blue America is run by. Howie Klein download tyranny, digby of Disney's Hollywood Hullabaloo and model of Crooks and liars. They identify great. Progressive Candidates. In some cases convince them to run and then And then you know help raise money for them for their candidacies. 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Tell the quality of that most restaurants give you amid, but at Schmucky cookies you get complimentary, sweet and low. Who picks up the TAB for all this? Find out now with how he climbed down with tyranny dot com on the Nicole Sandler show. Hello Howie Klein. You're there. I am here. Yeah, I totally forgot to remind you about the new time so glad you remembered because you sent me an e mails like what time of my own today so? We email to you after you didn't call. And, then I realized. Oh Yeah, we moved. We moved, and actually I should mention that we are going to be joined by another. One of the Blue America endorse candidates in a little bit to chat. We'll talk with Robin. Wilt who is running in New York's Twenty Fifth District In, Rochester. Monroe County but. The places Rochester New York. which was one of the first? Hot Zones for the coronavirus, actually they had one of the first big outbreaks there so. Be Interesting to see what she says about. How things are. They are now, but a lot of things. In fact, you told me Howie. Klein that Robin wilt is also really good on another subject that sort of front and Center for all of us today, which is the idea of the militarized police departments in? It's something that we dealt with what was it for four five years ago in the wake of Ferguson in the wake of the the killing of Michael Brown at the hands of police in Ferguson Missouri when we saw the militarization of American police forces. Taking over our, you know city streets, and you have a piece up down with tyranny. You posted yesterday. Headlined Alan Grayson wrote Legislation To demilitarize the police in two thousand, fourteen, Pelosi Hoyer Clyburn and their allies made sure it failed. and. That was that Grayson introduced that exactly two months before Ferguson exploded. So you know he? He was looking into a and he told me that some of his colleagues came up to him. He didn't WanNa, tell me who but I I have a pretty good idea. The lacy clay but I i. don't know that he wouldn't tell me but I think it was. these people came up to him and said. How do you know this is GonNa Happen. And what he wanted to say, that was how the hell did. You not know it was going to happen. so yeah, so and it failed I. Mean Pelosi didn't want it to pass now suddenly. She's all about this, but you certainly wasn't when when Alan brought up and I I just WanNa emphasize something Allen, who is very much for gun control didn't make this into a gun control bill. So this is about you know using chemicals on American citizens tanks and armored vehicles Weapons to appear does that all and Allen was. He was not trying to like say you can't have. You can't have rifles. You can't have handguns. He wasn't trying to say you can't have ammunition. That wasn't this what this bill was about. This is a bill that very much should have passed, and there were quite a lot of Republicans. Who who voted for it but Pelosi didn't want it to happen, and she kept Democrats from going so now. All these Democrats who are looking forward. To Passing Something that's not going to get passed in the Senate anyway to demilitarize the police. They they will. They will prevent this from happening now. The the you know they're safe now because they know that McConnell will never let it. Come even come to a vote in the Senate. So it's pretty disgusting. No, it really is and the. Republicans on the Senate. Armed, Services Committee, yesterday voted to. Pass Elizabeth. Warren's amendment that calls for renaming all the bases and other military assets named for a confederate soldiers. So that they're willing to do, but they're not willing to say that. Local police departments don't need tanks. Yes. They are not willing to do that. And the reason for that is because remember. Every district has a congressman whether it's Democrat or Republican. And there's nothing that they like better than to going to their districts and doing a photo opportunity that gets in the local newspapers of them with all the police gathered around them, and then you know handing them machine, guns, or two appeals, or actually what they really handing them all the time. Now are drones. I mean and Allen's thing. was you know even about the drones? All he said was no armed drones now. The thing that that was. Good and bad about this. Was that okay? Terrible terrible thing was that the Democrats join most of the Republicans and kill the bill so it didn't it didn't. It was an amendment to defense appropriations bills and they killed it. after Ferguson Obama said what the hell and he just put it in by executive order well, then along comes trump in and as soon as in two thousand seventeen, and that was one of the first things that he got rid of so so it was it was. It was in law for a couple of years. And then trump trump resent rescinded Obama's executive order so now they happen. We can keep going back and buying all the weapons they want. And they and they have board literally, not not figurative, literally billions of dollars, the exact figures in my piece but. I don't remember off hand, but it was a three point, five or five point three. Some really large amount of heavy weapons were bored. We're bored. An LLC was actually the one who alerted me to this not personally, but I saw that she tweeted and she was saying. Why does why does the military? Have so much money that they've got all this excess equipment. That is usable by the police, so it's not like they're selling them broken down stuff that you know the telling them good stuff. So in other words, the military has billions of extra dollars that they don't need to buy good equipment. So you know that that was very smart of her to see it that way and I hope that something comes i. don't see how did that, will now? I I thought this this legislation that that let's. How that let's military equipment go to local police forces I. Didn't know they had to buy that. I thought they were given. It I thought it was like surplus old. Yeah! Yes, that's right it is. It is theoretically bought, but it is You know it's not like the police departments are paying for it. The local governments pay for the federal government subsidizes most of it. It just a the police departments aren't aren't paying anything for it. Wow, Oh, my God, you know depending on jurisdiction you've got you know. These drones armed drones flying over your head all the time, sometimes very very low. It's and it's you know the they're. You. Know the caption that I. That I used in the picture was You know all these congressmen love. you know passing this stuff of their their police departments without thinking that. Who are they? GonNa use it on. They're not going to fight Whoever the enemy is there a defined? The enemy is us. They WANNA use this stuff against us, yeah. Right it's you know I call out these Congressmen who who refuse to back Grayson on this thing many of them still in Congress and hopefully something will be done about it now, right. This program is the ten thirty three program which sends local police departments, military weaponry, not not just guns and stuff but tanks. Unmanned Aerial Vehicles armored vehicles grenade launchers, silencers, toxicological agents including chemical. Pocket ago agent is right. That's tear gas, right. And worse and worse could be any kind of poison good. They want I mean a lot of this stuff that and rubber bullets. A lot of the stuff that they're using has been literally band. I shouldn't say a lot. Some of the stuff that they using has been banned by the Geneva Convention. Amazing and yet our military is turning them over to local police departments to be used against our own citizens now it's interesting that some of the. The military leaders have become have come out. Against Him I mean hearing from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Today Milly gives me a little bit of hope that the military is not going to have trump's back. Should you know he lose the election? Decide? He's not leaving. But this program this ten thirty three program really needs to be reversed and I'm glad. Elizabeth Warren introduced that amendment and the armed. Services Committee to change the names and get rid of you. Know or are saluting confederate. General's, but this seems to be a bit more urgent because this immediately affects the wellbeing of people protesters right now out on the streets. Yeah and and like I, said it will pass the house. They're going to pass it, and then it will never go anywhere. That is why so in other words it's quote safe for publicity and Hoyer cronies to let this thing go because McConnell will will keep it from being voted on, so does matter unbelievable so just go just one more thing and. There's a there's a Are you aware of what's going on in Seattle right now? Tell me well. Let me let me just pull this I. WANNA share. There's a big story in the New York Times today, and what's happening is Let me find today's. Taking it back. No, there's a section of Seattle that is. Known as it's the Capitol Hill neighborhood. So it's right next to a police precinct. Let me read from the New York Times on the streets next to a police precinct and Seattle's Capitol Hill neighborhood protesters, an officer spent a week locked in a nightly cycle of standoffs at times, ending with clouds of teargas, but facing a growing backlash over its dispersal tactics in the aftermath of George Floyd's death in Minneapolis. The Seattle Police Department this week, offered a concession. Officers would abandon their precinct board up the windows and let the protesters have free rein outside in a neighborhood that's the heart of the city's art and culture threatened. These days is rising tech wealth brings in gentrification. Protesters seized the moment they reverse the barricades to shield deliberated streets and laid claim to several city blocks, which are now known as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone or Chaz. A banner on the front entrance of the now empty police station reads this space now property of the Seattle people. The entire area was now a homeland for racial justice, according to the New York Times, and depending on the protest or talk to perhaps something more what has emerged as an experiment in life without the police part street festival part commune, hundreds of gathered to hear speeches, poetry and music on Tuesday night. Dozens of people sat in the middle of an intersection to watch thirteenth the Eva Do Varney film about the criminal justice systems impact on African Americans on Wednesday children may trump chalk drawings in the middle of the street. This is going on there and then last night. So it's very peaceful. They're just this is happening. But last night. tweeted we that we will take back. Yeah, yeah, it'll. Domestic terrorists have taken over Seattle run by radical left Democrats of course, and then he had to punctuate it with law and order I was looking at my bunk bunk. Find Dr of Paul's. District by the way. And then posted a then he posted radical, left governor, Jay Inslee, and the mayor of Seattle or being taunted and played at a level that our great country has never seen before. Take back your city now. If you don't do it, I will. This is not A. These ugly anarchists must be stopped immediately. move fast in all caps well. I'm sorry to me. That sounds like the president of the United States is inciting the people of Seattle to violence. Yeah, the the problem isn't the people's Seattle et. Idiot the problem is you know he? He got like a something like nine percent of the vote in Seattle, and get this time. The problem is is going to be the people to the east of Seattle. who hear this and and they have a really really strong. Militia Movement in the eastern part of the state, you know if they want to have their own independent country by the way a kind of a Neo Nazi thing, and in fact, in one part of the of the eastern part of the the between Spokane and the Idaho border They had elected some Nazi. As to the legislature, and he just sort of combination of got kicked out and resigned after he was caught on tape you know plotting rebellion against the country. So I have a feeling those people will hear trump saying going there and take it back. Yeah I have a feeling, too, which is. That's the problem. The people that are there are fine. They're peaceful. It sounds like they're having. Fun It sounds like they're. They've got the situation well under control, but. Yeah, it looks like Donald. Trump wants that not to remain the case which is frightening. I checked in with a friend of mine. My old boss actually carry Kurla. Who was my program director at? A million years ago. Who now lives in Seattle and I? Asked him. You know what's going on there. And he said it's turned into a street fair. He said earlier this week there was a serious battle between the police and protesters, and then he said just so you know this is sort of a repeat of the WTO except the cops are trying to be less violence, and then he said. Now they are now. They're trying to be less vile. And then he said by the way the new Seattle police chief is a progressive black woman so and the mayor of Seattle. Since trump message. Mindless. And Jay inslee pretty much did the same thing just just insanity but I worry because you mentioned just to. The east of Seattle is not quite as progressive and the spokesman. police force may have some of those military weaponry that they think is okay to use on American citizens. Possible Spokane itself isn't bad. It's the country wall. Everything around. Spokane is a big problem by the way. In terms of Robin Wealth I meant that she was an expert on The racial justice matters which is connected to this weaponization I be. She was She was necessarily an expert on weapons police militarization, but but I don't know. About about racial justice. Shall we get her on the line? That would be great that'd be. And, we've already plane. She's the a running. She's the progressive. WHO's running for Congress in. Monroe County let's get right, okay? Hold on I'm trying to add her to the call and that won't work. You know what I think. I'm GonNa have to bring her in over here. See if I can figure this I thought I. had it all figured out and I wanted to add can I ask okay. I'm going to add. Someone to the call Give me one second, so yes, so so the primary in New York is. A June twenty third and a hold on how pulling you down a second, so I can dial her number without the thing going out the so June twenty third, but as Zephyr teach out, reminded me on twitter today. June twenty third is when the New York primary ends. There is early voting going on and. You can vote early in New York, I believe but the twenty third is the day that people go to the polls. The last day people can go to the polls Hopefully that worked. Okay, so Robin Robin Wolter you with us. I am here there and who? Dare Holly. How are you a little? Your Voice. I get to hear you, too. So, so Robin Wilt is the Blue America endorsed candidate running in New York's twenty fifth Congressional district, as I mentioned the primary ends on June, twenty third. So if you can vote early, do, but that's. That's the deadline to vote and and Robin. Who who are you running against in this primary? Well you know, I'm running against your average Joe I'm running against Joe Morelli he is a long time member of the state assembly was in there for over thirty years a real kingpin in terms of machine politics in New York state, and then after our longtime love, it Congress member Louise Slaughter passed away twenty team He was able to assume the seat in a split primary for candidates running including myself that time in two, thousand, eighteen, as well and now he's been in eighteen months. Congress member well. Okay, how? Much just a careerist a backbencher. He doesn't have any vision for the country. He doesn't have any vision for Monroe County. He just a career guy who go the new dam. He just goes along with everybody and is you know taking up a seat that and That could be used for good. He's nothing. He's just another one of these candidates. Yeah, another one that these patronage politicians, his career, who spent his career, boating with corporate interests and other political players, so you know not to hold into the people of this district at all. So the twenty fifth district how he told US earlier is that that's the Rochester New York area. You guys were hit hard by Kovic early on, weren't you? We certainly were hit hard by Cova nineteen and one of the reasons we were hit so hard is because of the. Segregation and the poverty in our area. We are one of the poorest cities in the country. We have one of the highest rates of child poverty, and so that really. disparately affected us in this region and Joe Morelli of course, if a longtime politician in the area of the architect. Architects of the policies that have resulted in be stiffer outcomes that we are disc. Horrible and we were talking earlier about the fact. how he's got a piece up down with tyranny dot com about. Legislation that former Congressman Alan Grayson introduced back in two thousand, fourteen to try to overturn that ten thirty three rule that allows the military to send excess. Military equipment to local police forces and Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of the Democratic leadership were against it Do you have a a position on that? Oh definitely, I'm opposed to militarizing the police and I and I see it. You know I'm on the town board and I see our police department receiving these funds and. I I'm not a fan. You know we need community policing and we are going to spend money on that type of We're going to spend money. Should go towards the needs of the community, not toward the militarization of the police. And we're. Are you on the on the current I? I have trouble with the vernacular the defunding police I understand the the concept behind it and I certainly believe that. We need to redirect some of the resources. In many cases, the the police budgets are bloated and and community services are starved that that needs to be more equalled out. The I wish they had a different name, but nobody asked me. What. What do you think about the move to de fund the police? Well I think it's really important that we understand where we're talking about when we say de-fund police now the police in Rochester funded to the tune of one hundred million dollars, they represent more than a third of our budget, and this is a city where we saw a thirty six million dollar shortfall in terms of education dollars. This here and our schools again has some of the worst outcomes we live a in one of his both segregated borders in terms of school outcomes in the country. In fact, it is the most segregated reporter in the country and I think that A. we can't afford to spend the amount of money that we do on the police when it. Comes at an opportunity costs for refer so many beneficial things in our community including education including housing including nutrition including healthcare, these are all priorities within our community, and we're spending the amount of money you know. We're talking about forty percent of the budget just for the police it comes to an opportunity costs, and we see that in terms of outcomes in our community. How you have anything to ask or add. A. No. He's happily happening, listening to you and Robin. and. And and I agree, but there there are a lot of people who get who hear it and they. They're hearing something very different I mean they're hearing basically and trump has of course fl.. A you know, push this theme. which is that they had, there will be no police. They'll be anarchy. There will be. No law and order people will be barricaded into their houses, trying to protect themselves their own guns. That's what trump is trying to say. He's trying to take advantage of this and I. Don't see very much. pushback from Progressives explained that that isn't what this is about. Right I think what the way we need to talk about. It is in terms of priorities, and I think that. A lot of white people who said prior to me don't tell me what your priorities are. Show me your budget. And when we see these budgets that have you know upwards of forty percents that policing, but then we're struggling in terms of housing works struggling in terms of education. We're struggling in terms of job opportunity. You really have to take a look at that and we see the same thing on the national level right with with the military budget, comprising disproportionately large portion of our spending we need. Need to look at those priorities and make sure that we're prioritizing investing in our future education is our future education is the great equalizer. We need to spend R. dollars. They're plain and simple. We need to spend our dollars on making sure that everybody is how we need to make sure that everybody has healthcare. We need to spend R. dollars onto social predetermines of how or route renting's like pandemic strike. We see all sorts of communities being disproportionately impacted struggling because we had not allocated our resources appropriately. Right. So, what did you think it would be? Accurate to say that what what what's needed is to get rid of some of the bloat in the police departments and I mean there will still be police, but they will probably will probably be allowed less of them. They'LL PR- they won't be. They won't have armed drones they won't have. Gas, they won't have things that treat American. Citizens like we're occupied nation by some like force from outer space or something. Are leased need weapons of war to turn against the population that they're supposed to protect and serve. And then, of course the policeman might say well them will be outgun because of criminals have these things. Well Again I. What we found is that if we focus our dollars on improving our communities on beacon investments in our communities, we see that gun violence in particular goes down and we're not talking about a huge amount of investment. We're talking because. Gun, violence is it turns out is a very intimate problem if Affects very small portions of our community rampant within small portions of our community, so if we were able to direct our dollars to those segments of the community that are so disproportionately impacted by violence, if were that to invest in the social infrastructure in those communities, we would see outcomes we seem. They don in in Oakland. We've seen this investment made in other cities, and it doesn't require a lot of dollars. We're talking tens of millions and you know there's this huge. Budget that we have trillions of dollars that we allocate nationally. We just spend tens of billions toward this problem. We know that we can significantly reduce violent. To Robin has become a hot issue. Your race of people asking you about it. Yeah. People are asking me about it I spent a lot of time meeting with community members and meeting with the police departments and and again. I think it requires that communication I think. That people need to understand where their dollars are going. Where the government dollars being expanded, and you know when you talk about the priorities that people have usually those are in education, healthcare, job opportunity, but that's not how how the dollars are being allocated, so then you end up with communities that are over police communities that do not have a police force that. Is. Interested in in. Working with them on a community basis, developing those relationships, so that's what we need to make sure. Make sure that we have neighborhood policing it. All of our communities, not just in our suburban communities as opposed to our urban community. very well said Robin. Wilt is her name. She is running in the New York. Primary of New York Twenty Fifth District early. Voting is happening now right the deadline to vote. Early voting are on Saturday. Uh. Absentee. His Gotcha, okay, because I've heard from listeners who've already voted by mail so absentee voting happening already early voting starts Saturday. The last day to vote is the twenty third. Make sure you vote. Robin will thank you so much for joining us. Best Long, having meaning Oh my pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you all right. You Take Care Bye Robin. Youtube by now and how Klein we are approaching the end of the our job and our new times a new time slot. Thank you for for moving with us and we'll keep this fight going. Thank you in the interim from the old time to the new Tom. I Baked Pie. What kind of Pie? Leak and Potato Pie. Okay well, let sounds interesting. I'll have to. We'll check it out. Thank you so much. Down tyranny, dot com, and of course the Blue America PAC. Thanks for listening everyone. See You tomorrow with with with Governor, Don siegelman! By? How if you're still there? Do you know the story about Don Siegelman? Written about it lots okay well, you know he's got a new book coming out. It's out this Tuesday and it is very devastating I've I mean I knew his story but I've been reading this book over the last week and just seeing what? was done. This man is so infuriating and seeing the the correlations between the Bush. Justice Department and the trump. Justice, Department. Tells me that just the Republicans are are need to be. Need to be just just. Evacuated for more world. What they did to this man is so criminal is so disgusting and I hope everybody reads his book so just. Make sure amazing. It really is. It's incredible. All Right? Sorry. I kept over just to to to push the Don. SIEGELMAN will be here for most of the hour tomorrow because we're really going to get deep into what happened to him, and it's not just you know what happened to him. What was done to him by Karl? Rove in the Bush administration is just criminal. I, thank you how we. Talk to you. All Right? Thanks, everybody will see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening bye.

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"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language if your discretion is advised. The Nicole Sandler Joe Authority daily. That could be the very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey you do the music. Venue here beneath my boys from broadcast sound library that I paid for Hamlin receipts so I bet your toppy right violation right here. No here's Nicole too. Hi Welcome to the show. Nicole Sandler here on a Wednesday David's telling me he has no sound on either APP okay. I'm going to try one other thing. Let's try it this way and that doesn't work either. Oh Man oh man oh man oh man all right bear with me. I think we should be on youtube though. You don't hear anything on Youtube either. Oh you know and I thought I thought I had all the hold on one second. I'm going to. I'm going to get you from here. Okay now we should have audio there and we should have audio on Youtube. I think I think we fixed the problem. I'm watching Youtube three to one. Give it a second I think. Oh man you know here was thinking again. I thought I had everything set up right here now on Youtube. Yes all right better late than never. I think today should be flawless. All right I was gonna tell you at least. I'm not the only one. Did you hear what happened with? Cbs News last night Well CBS last night. was Well there was no. Cbs Evening News on the East Coast. When I don't know what time it's on six thirty maybe when six thirty rolled around what happened is CBS. They started playing stuff off the web and they are. They're online feed the evening. News did not air on the east coast because of technical problems. Because you know now look I'm i. I'm seeing all of these foul ups on TV. I was watching some of Msnbc this morning and I and I was noticing a Bernie. Sanders was being interviewed by Stephanie Rule. So I stopped to watch it and the sink was off. You know because they're using zoom and skype and facetime and things like that so I I was I was like okay. Misery loves company. It's not only me but anyway yes. Pbs Newshour had a glitch last night to no visual just sound for a while. So I'm yet look I don't feel so bad it's just me. I see Paul Lawrie is helping out. Today's he's He's promoted into my setup so hopefully he can help fend off any problems that may arise. But I think we're good. I think we're GONNA be okay today. Think being the operative word here anyway We have a wonderful guest coming up. I actually reached out to Ellie. Mus Doll last week when I was watching or actually listening to the Supreme Court hearings. It was history in the making first time ever that live. Supreme Court arguments were streamed right and The first time ever that the supreme court heard arguments over the telephone. But what was more interesting to me because I'm a big fan of dolls. Bolt his writing at the nation and his twitter feed which is at Ellie. Anyway I think we're still on. But if youtube goes out and it went out. I this is an Internet. They are it. Looks like it's coming back now. It must be a just an. At and T. Internet glitch standby YouTube. It's on the way back and buy Youtube. I'm I'm I'm talking about. Also facebook live and periscope. I think we're streaming on all of those and we're back so you know that some things are beyond my control. Actually all of it's beyond my control. I don't know about you. I think I could use something funny right all right. The question is should I play the video from the streaming software or from my other computer and try to bring it in remotely? I honestly. Well we're going to try to bring it in remotely because they'll have fewer problems with the audio. I'm not sure which one I wanNA play. I've got a couple of videos standing by for your for your comedy. Pleasure all right. I'll do this one. It's the latest offering from Shirley. Chaban now if you regular listener to the show surely is somebody that I I met online. She You know in my quarantine calling. She's in New Zealand. And I found Shirley because she's been producing tons of these wonderfully funny and very musically lovely A parody songs. She turns out she's not a singer. She's not a performer by profession. She's the principle of a small school in New Zealand and she moonlights as a photographer but while she's been home quarantining she She's been making these parody videos and they're wonderful. I both love and hate people that talented at the same time so anyway with no further ado. Here's the latest from Shirley Scher Ban from New Zealand. Who where the the Corinthian has been lifted. Because they believe in New Zealand. They've a radical. The Cova go figure New Zealand. You go all right here. We go I think. Come on play. I didn't hit plus I do squiggly you every time you are me wants to be you. Why how every time you oh just slide me. Don't want to close to the days. Sneeze reward YouTube. Please use your. You decided to not lean share your spring good spread shake you think a all. Stay out of every time you slide me. Don't want to be close to Oh we bet you even warned you to wash your hands better. You decide to every touched on issues. That is why we stick your user. Just lied to me. You don't want to be close to just lied to me. They don't want to be A wonderful musical stylings hug Shirley Channeling Karen Carpenter She she's very talented and quite prolific as well. So that was fun all right. I know you know yesterday with in the middle of all these technical problems. I did play for you the newest Randy Rainbow but I know it didn't go out over Youtube because well Because I was having technical problems and frankly I forgot to start the the the youtube streaming when I hit the videos. So why not? Let's you know it's Wednesday. We've got Ellie doll coming up. There's so much to talk about. I do have the news to get to. I'm procrastinating. Get to the news in a moment but first why not share with you a Randy Rainbow Song and the reason. I'm doing this well aside from. It's really good and we could use a laugh and we love Randy Rainbow that. This song is just spot on because what we've been discussing here in the privacy of my home with my husband whose birthday it is today by the way. Happy Birthday David That everything Donald Trump is doing right now is simply distraction. He is trying to distract us all from the fact that ninety three thousand Americans have died that in terms of the death toll. We are more than double actually more than triple. I believe the next country in line and I if I remember correctly I wanna say it's a Soviet Union or association me. Oh my God talk about Brain Fart. Russia formerly part of the Soviet Union was all right. I think I just need another song to get my equilibrium so We'll we'll let Randy Rainbow have at it here. We go and and my apologies for yesterday. Thank you for respecting recommended. Cdc guidelines and wearing a mask faith. He's now let's discuss the unfortunate matter at hand the global crisis that is devastating countless American lives Regan economic havoc the reason that we have all been forced to take shelter in our homes Obama Gate. what is that? It was the greatest political crime in the history of our country. Some of your harshest critics say that these attacks on the former president and your recent twitter tantrums or meant to distract from your eld Rona virus response. We're of the assumption that by the end of the year. We're going to have a vaccine. Ooh could you hold off on that just a little longer? It's GonNa take me a while to lose all the quarantine look the LE- The less successful. We are in opening the better. They are probably may be referred election. But I'm letting people know. In many cases they're doing it just for a global pandemic. Sounds like some fictional Steven soderbergh. Both from two thousand eleven right believe it or not at the real thing. People are suffering. Millions are out of work. The economy has evaporated and worst of all. I haven't had a haircut in more than two months. So how does an unprepared reality? Tv host pretending to be the president deal with such an unprecedented crisis. I can tell you in one word. This was all Obama. Distraction John Distraction. This was all Biden distraction and we caught them. They wanted Hillary Clinton to win many people fighting for their lives or scared to lose their jobs and stuck inside their houses. Thousands of people dying on your watch and to is that you're thinking of Cama that's the enemy the paper. It is a disgrace who've done more testing than all the countries in the world and he wanted to watch teashops shows in fact there's only one thing on his free sleepy. Joe Biden getting really good poll numbers over ten million tests. Never Gotten over losing to me. Hope that humanity has with some dignity. Some album is your Patty America. Great Again Colossus of Disaster Obama gay drops. That's a question you should ask. China posting pictures his. Everybody disagreed when I did that. Era where number of questions raised by the actions of the Obama Administration Obama Alabama Jackson disgrace. What's happening? Oh Man Obama Gate a Ui Randy. Rainbow is a genius. I I'm glad I played it again because honestly yesterday when I played it. I was so busy trying to fix all the technical problems we were having that. I really didn't get a chance to watch even though I had seen it the day before because you know when it was released anyway because so anyway I'm glad I played it again. I hope you're You enjoyed that as much as I did because we need a good laugh. I think we'll probably have some laughs As WELL COMING UP WHEN ELLIE MISSILE JOINS US? Unfortunately there's not much laughter in today's news. And Oh my goodness there's a lot going on and in fact since you know before I started doing what's News as I've told you I wake up early early in the morning. I mean if I'm not already awake by six Jackson gets me up because because because he runs the place. I just live here So I start working on. What's news probably around seven and finish it? I try to get it done by ten Sometimes earlier and then stuff happens. Throughout the day. For instance today it begins. Oh I should start with the with the. What's News Sounder? Right all right. We'll do this and and we'll do it. Live only do it. Live is missing. No hold on. It's on this computer. Come on Bill O'Reilly where are you? Lord okay there. We go better late than never saw. God Bill Shush all right so it begins a Senate committee. Today voted to authorize a subpoena as part of a Republican led investigation targeting former vice president. Joe Biden's son Hunter. Yeah the Party line vote in the Senate homeland. Security and governmental affairs committee came amid vigorous objections from Democrats who have accused their Republican. Counterparts of pushing Russian disinformation and improperly using the Senate's to boost Donald Trump's reelection bid by Wednesday's vote authorizes. The committee's chairperson. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to subpoena Blue Star strategies. That's a democratic. Pr Firm that did consulting work for Burris MMA. That's that's the Ukrainian energy company on whose board Hunter Biden. Sat. Johnson's probe focuses on allegations that Blue Star strategy sought to leverage Biden's position on the board and order to influence matters at the Obama. Era State Department. This is you know I've I've for years I've been using a term that I coined Most started during the Bush administration when they would say one thing. When the reality was another I would talk about the frustrations I had in. Want to take calls on my radio show with talking to Republicans who will who just will not concede the truth. In other words. They'll fight you want everything much like they do today up as down in his out. Green is black. You know opposite world. Thought you knew you never knew widow sideways. Straight AHEAD FACTS. No longer matter. Reality FICTION SIGNPOST UP AHEAD. You're next up on were and that's that's where we are today. Did you hear the latest with trump in Michigan so donald trump tweeted breaking Michigan? Send absentee ballots to seven point. Seven million people of headed primaries in the general election this was done illegally without authorization by a rogue secretary of state. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this voter fraud path. Okay first of all. She didn't send absentee ballots to seven. Point seven million people. She sent Applications for any of those eligible voters to get an absentee ballot so they can vote by mail in the election. There's nothing illegal about that rogue secretary of State. She was elected by the people of Michigan. How is she rogue? And you're going to ask to hold up funding for Michigan if they want to go down this road Sorry that's Illegal actually after the tweet went out this morning. The Secretary of State of Michigan tweeted back. Her name is Jocelyn Benson and. She tweeted back. She said Hi. I also have a name it's Jocelyn Benson and we sent applications not ballots just like my gop colleagues in Iowa Georgia Nebraska and West Virginia. Yeah and other. Legal experts responded on mass on the twitter machines saying that Basically attempted extortion of states was anticipated and illegal and and the anticipate attempted extortion of states came from Daniel Goldman. He's the former federal prosecutor. I believe or US Attorney. I guess the same thing Who was one of the prosecutors for the House Impeachment Committee Anyway? But that's not all it's happening in Michigan today and again this well. I was going to say it doesn't have anything to do with politics but it all has to do with politics. Our thoughts are with the people of Midland County Michigan. Today we're the Governor Gretchen. Whitmer declared a state of emergency after two two dams breached because of torrential downpours. Whitmer warned the downtown Midland. A city of forty thousand in the home of Dow chemical could be under nine feet of water by this afternoon. They already evacuated about one. Hundred Thousand People It's just horrifying in the midst of all this which reminds me by the way that hurricane season is right around the corner. It seems like we're getting an early start on the season because there was a storm out in the Gulf that luckily passed underneath us But you know just what we need right on. Top of the pandemic. We've got the cove it and the hurricane season starting up and dams being breached in Michigan. Lovely and on top of that. We have a rogue secretary of state as opposed to the Michigan Secretary of state who was actually elected by the People. Mike Pompeo was not he was chosen by Donald Trump. And remember when we used to worry about jeff sessions. Oh my God well. Mike Pompeo's got a few problems happening right now so you know that last week on Friday it the trump administration abruptly fired Steve. The State Department's Inspector General. Then rose saying that. Lineker had been investigating POMPEO's alleged. Use of staffers from the State Department to perform personal errands. Picking up dry cleaning walking his dog making reservations things like that. Well we've since learned of another more serious investigation was also underway. The New York Times is reporting that Mike. Pompeo declined to sit for an interview with the state. Department's Inspector General Steve Lennox his inquiry into. That's my drummer Whether the trump administration acted illegally in declaring an emergency to bypass a congressional freeze on arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. So pompeo said No. I'm not GonNa sit for that interview so instead he chose to answer written questions. Remind you of anything there. Yeah but this is proof. That pompeo was aware of the investigation. Despite his previous statement denying that he knew he was under investigation. That's what he said the other day. I didn't know I was under investigation. Yeah but wait. There's more NBC News reporting today that until the corona virus shut them down in March. Mike Pompeo and his wife held regular dinner parties that were known as Madison parties. The guest list usually included billionaire C. E. O.'s Supreme Court justices political heavyweights ambassadors. They arrived decked out in evening tire. They'd be escorted by private elevator to the dinner in the historic diplomatic reception rooms at the State Department. All on the taxpayer's dime or more accurately dollar the now State Department officials involved in the dinners said they had raised concerns internally that the events were essentially using federal resources to cultivate a donor and supporter base for Mike. Pompeo's political ambitions complete with extensive. Contact information that gets sent back to Susan. Pompeo's personal g mail address and of course the officials and others who attended the dinners told these facts on the condition of anonymity. Wow by the way. Lineker was the fourth inspector general to be fired by the trump administration in the last six weeks. The Washington Post is now reporting that house. Democrats plan to open an investigation into the firing of the Transportation Department's acting inspector-general more on matinees. Second the concern that the move was tied to an ongoing investigation of Secretary of transportation. Elaine Chao Tze dealings with the State of Kentucky Elaine Chao of course is married to Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell and has faced questions about whether her department has given preferential treatment to projects in his State and that acting inspector-general is not one of the four that we've heard about who was fired by the trump administration in the last six weeks because he was only acting so now. We know that there's at least five who were fired. Oh yes these are things that I won't ask Ellie Moustache Belt because astounding absolutely astounding. All right one more thing that I want to share with you. I've got tons of audio that I didn't get to but you know as the death toll in the US passed ninety two thousand yesterday. Donald Trump was asked why we have so many more cases and more deaths than any other nation in the world. You probably heard his response but but I have I have to. I have to play this again because I'm I'm blown away. That we have such a moron sitting in the Oval Office. Here's what he said again asked why we have so many more cases and deaths than any other nation in the world we lead in cases. That's because we have more testing than anybody else. Oh my God we test much more than anybody else again. We're close to fourteen million said twelve twelve and a half cents a liar close to fourteen million now and so we have fourteen million tests and Germany of two million. That's a lot and others are doing one million so of your testing fourteen million people. You're gonNA find many more cases. Many of these people aren't very sick but they still go down as a case so actually the number of hey sales also much bigger country than most so when we have a lot of cases. I don't look at that as a bad thing. I look at that as in a certain respect as being a good thing because it means our testing is much better so if we were testing million people on fourteen million people we would have far few cases right now. We wouldn't edge of honor. I view it as a badge of honor. He views it as a badge of honor that there are more deaths by far in the United States than in any other Any other a country in the world. I'm just I'm blown away by that. And hold on I found a there was a A graphic on TV that I took a picture of because I had to see it Oh this is about the hydroxy. We never mind I thought it was on the number of of of death it is astounding and when you look at the at the tabulations at the at the death tolls and the counts of how many infected people are in each country. We are far and away above them. All because of the incompetence leading this country leading us down a path to ruin leading us to death and destruction leading us to be the the joke the unfunny joke around the nation Because we can't get a handle on this pandemic and and we had every opportunity to all right with that. I'm now calling. Lms STALL SO ELLIE MISS. Stall is the justice correspondent for the nation. He covers the courts the criminal justice system in politics and he's the force behind the magazine's monthly column objection. You can follow him on twitter at Ellie NYC and definitely read him at the nation dot com or the nation magazine. Ellie Musalia with US. Here are you are. Thank you so much for joining us today. I know these are just weird times. We're living through and I know you're busy because you're at home and you've got kids to take care of. Yes yeah I have a seven year old and a four year old and my wife is working from home and my mother is working out. She lives the thoughts. And so it's just a just a mad house right now but there's gotta be some still. I'm a I'm trying to find the silver linings and the silver lining here. Is You get to spend more time with your family right? Oh yeah I know so much more. Burma pokemon ever would have before the you're look I. It's it's weird like I am. I'm a hold. Ati by nature So the being forced to stay with my family which I generally like And in my house which I generally like has it been the worst. Hasn't been the worst thing for me. I feel like my adjustment. We've been a little bit easier Ben's mother people nothing really complain about. I follow your twitter feed and I get. I get lots of joy from your twitter feed because it's very informative and entertaining at the same time. But today I see that. You're sort of conflicted over You're having a parental conundrum of sorts. In that. You're having to tell your kids to be quiet and you don't want to. It's so it's really fair for them like it's almost the summer their kids there so they're supposed to be able to be loud and be bunged us to be jumping on things. But because I'm working from home my wife's from like we have to keep telling them to like be quiet and stay in their room. You know because you know I call right now. My wife had called an hour. Have a call an hour from now like we have to. We have to turn the the house which used to be in their play space into our home offices and that adjustment while it's been like difficult for the adults I think has been really hard on the children and it's just you. You're just just kind of worried out like how the forcing you know. You don't WanNA force my seven year old to act like my co work. She's allowed to be second. Yeah I feel for you and thankfully long pass those years but my we each have our own issues to deal with during this quarantine. My daughter turned twenty. One stuck at home with me and my husband you know. That's not really a way to celebrate your twenty first birthday. We had a lovely bottle of champagne but I felt so sorry for I can't even imagine being turned twenty one. Having to live with my mom right I would have gone sees lucky because she has a really cool mom but you know still who wants to spend their twenty first birthday stuck at home with their parents anyway. Ellie missed all you know actually I you know I contacted you last week to ask you back on the show Because I was enjoying your live tweeting of the first ever livestream Supreme Court arguments and a second I actually. It was the first time the Supreme Court ever heard arguments over the phone and in I loved your observations are want one year from you on that but I was surprised to read that this was the first time you heard Supreme Court arguments in real time. Yeah so for as much as I report on the courts and interested in the. I've never actually been to. I never actually been to the Spring Board. Dow People Should Know Corp is public right like we can get into like you know cameras in the courtroom. Whatever but like the the we are supposed to be able to see justice done in public full transparency the Supreme Court as Public Co. You really do get up early. Can stand in line or depressed pass and and do a bunch of other you know stuff. There press requirements very have to wear a jacket like Just never never bothered to like drag myself over to first street to go see. They're also a bit of a philosophical point that I would make here that I don't actually think. Oral arguments are all that important It's a little bit of a controversial opinion. I I tend to think that the judges make up their minds on how they're going to vote on a case how they're going to decide based on the brief based on their research based on their clerks. I don't think or arguments adds a lot. They're kind of decision making process. I think it's mainly just for show anyway. And so like from a ability to do my job kinda perspective. I've never felt that going there in person was particularly important. IT IS. It was interesting to hear to hear it all shake out like I. I think that put like this. I think it's the kind of thing that the public can actually benefit from seeing to see kind of think through the argument right. I just don't think that they matter a lot in terms of like what the ultimate decision is going to be right and and I saw that a lot in following the the you know the hearings in real time watching listening to the arguments and reading twitter along the way with you and I following some of the people from Scotus blog such a lot of people do lawyers like yourself believe that the justices all read the briefs and everything before they hear the oral arguments and the arguments generally are only like an hour or two right. So as you're saying most people believe the justices pretty much have their minds. Made up before or arguments happen. This is their chance. I guess to to get any clarification to ask any questions that they need clarified or in some cases to show boat Clarence. Thomas has historically not spoken from the bench. He seems to like the the the hearings by telephone because he was very loquacious last week. I mean look I could spend easily the rest of my life disagreeing with parents on like me to lifetime Clarence Thomas but I actually think that his historic silence During or ornaments is one of the more justified aspects of his personal philosophy theology. He like me has to agree. That oral arguments are not all that he doesn't ask flush not because they can't give any ask but because he's they're literally just to listen to these other people are GonNa say he's not he's not he doesn't have he doesn't feel there's program now you and ask questions counts. I actually been surprised. I think he on the phone. I mean everyone had the phone. Thomas asked I mean I think past you know twenty years? He's athletic to question from the bench and here he asking questions every time ago. I'm not sure I don't know if it was a little bit of pressure. He didn't want to see him like he wasn't engaged and asking questions. Were a way to show that he was engaged with the argument. I don't know if that's walk did it. But it will certainly to hear him. Speak at these off man but the other thing that it did very effectively is show the general public who is listening. Just how Crazy Clarence Thomas? Yes I guys. Legal theories radical stream to say the least and his questioning. You know for the arguments that people listen to were just. It's kind of hard. You're not like legally trained understand it but you are into questions. Were bad. There were off all of alley. I gotta ask Ellie. Masao is with US. And thankfully the courts. Basically all the justices and the and the the Attorneys who were on the calls all had decent phone lines. I know you're on a landline. Are you on a cordless phone and away from the base because we have a really lousy connection? Yes actually I am on a cordless phone and I am on my landline. But can you get closer to the base closer to risk hearing my children? I guess I'd rather hear your children because you're breaking up terribly and the sounds too horrible so I'm sorry that's okay all right little bit better yes a lot better all right so so so let me ask and the one thing that I did notice is when I first tuned in to hear it was the first of two tax CARE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S TAXES. And the first time they went to. Clarence Thomas for questions. He wasn't there and then they skipped over and went to Ruth Bader Ginsburg and then they came back to Thomas and I was thinking he was either sleeping or in the bathroom and we did hear somebody flush a toilet during the arguments. I'll the newscasters had a little fun with that. I think are the US intelligence and that it was. Actually I forget how we know that The conventional wisdom is that it was bar walk. It's it's a difficult situation for justices themselves to what we like. They have their literally been doing this job. Some of them for decades This is a completely different way of doing their job and their humor may have to adjust it just like Dislike anybody else so you give them a little bit of human compassion and leeway as they try to figure out the still being professional in this new environment right now. Now let's get into some of the legalities of that that the case dealing with trump's taxes there were two one the first one was about the congressional subpoenas for his financial records and his taxes and the second one was a subpoena from. New York's Attorney General for trump's financial statements in taxes Jaysekulow. Trump's personal lawyer argued in the second case and I got my biggest laugh of the day. I'm trying to look at this as sort of a comedy show because if I don't laugh I'm gonNA cry. That and it was that his argument was that these cases would be too big a distraction from trump's presidential responsibilities. Did I hear the argument from from doing rage tweets about Obama Gate by secular when hardening that trump be tractor like very difficult schedule of rage meeting on And playing golf It it it is impossible to overstate. How ridiculous the. Trim Korea here is on both cases. Right government subpoenas one of the most basic forms of law and law enforcement that we have there is no wiggle room in terms of whether or not use you answer a government to pin. The answer is always yes you asked answer it. That's just basic law. Now what's now a way where there is a milk room? You can answer you. Can you can do a lot of things in terms of the fullness with which answer a subpoena but trump that he should be allowed to only answers part of a subpoena or that. It's overbroad or that. He's making any of these boring. He's our that straight up garments. Peanut cannot afford to get him and him alone because he happens to be the president. And that's just a crazy argument that has never been made in American history before And it's it's ridiculous to me to think that we're even entertaining this argument. That's how all it is. And did you get a feeling from hearing the questions posed by the justices how there were leaning? All the consumers are the ball right. At least three of them are totally in the tank for this idea. That trump is above the law permits. Alito and Kevin are totally there And will only certainly vote to Matchup escaped from the subpoenas John Roberts is trying to split baby. He's trying to make a distinction between the first case which involves the House of Representatives making peanut The second case which involves a New York district district attorney's Sivan's making the requests trying to say that because Congress like political unit. There subpoena somehow doesn't matter but the subpoena that probably still matters. So Roberts is trying to figure out how what the baby neal gorsuch. It's actually the interesting one Where I think he might actually be play. Even though gorsuch an arch conservative. You know there's Nicole business thing we're like the people you have to worry about our second way. Revolutionaries like the first way is kind of understand that they're just using their ideology philosophy. Whatever to grab power but it's the second way that it's the next generation that actually believes in the ideology be original revolution and that's Kinda Neal gorsuch right like unlike Antonin Scalia who kind of understood originalism as a way to Power courses the actually that originalism is real and that's generally terrifying in a kiss like us. It might work out where where if you actually believe in original movement textual `ISMs and all this stuff then it becomes extremely hard. How the original intent of the founders decree and office of president out with Moore like a king than an aging back then that something was down by law. It's hard for Gorsuch to get their ideological and so you could actually see him. You're ornaments struggling with this. And what about Roberts? I mean he was the one who You know he was the the the the swing vote if you will on on the affordable care act. That's coming up again. But last time he's the one who kept it from being completely trashed Is he does he worry about. The you. Know the legacy of the Roberts court to to not be a shell for this griff. Ter- who's in the in the Oval Office mainstream media says that Robertson is an institutional cares about legacy and the institutional power of the Supreme Court. I believe that Roberts is selfish. Man Care about his own personal Lexi more than he cares about anything else now. How does that play out in this? Well what we've seen from Roberts pretty much since trump was elected but certainly sense cavanaugh. Got On the court and they they they had a solid conservative majority is that wrong is trying to end the law towards the Republican agenda as much as to speak out completely biggie and making himself another key cares a completely but the difference between Melita are actually cared. He drifted away from the base again. 'cause I'm losing you again. Oh upper swim is. I'm completely lost you. You're just totally breaking up on me. We are taking with Ellie Masao. But we've got a really lousy phone connection. I can try calling you back but I think it's the cordless phone that maybe as losing power. Something want to try on back on a G. I decide to try it again. Okay hang up and try your back all right. We'll do that all right. We are speaking with Ellie Muscle. Or we're trying to anyway. I know the phone line is got me is freaked out more freaked out than you because I'm sitting here trying to say no. It's got to be better than this. Hopefully hello we'll try this. I don't know yet. We'll find out so Ellie Michelle is with us so okay the Supreme Court and then there was the other case having to do with birth control I couldn't even really listen to that one because it was so upsetting seeing how far we fall back by way of progress for you know you name it. Whether it's women or minorities or I mean just social justice has we've taken five giant steps backwards. It seems since Donald Trump took office should not domes. Okay now I can tell you. It's not better. It's not better. You know what can I have your cell phone but can I give you my call in number and you can call me back. Because honestly we're we're hearing like every third syllable and I'm sorry the pen. Okay you're ready for nine five nine five four eight eight nine six six four one zero. Okay Okay Okay. Now nobody else call in so because I'm going to answer it when Sally calls in again. I'm trying best laid plans. I thought I had. We were not doing video today. It would be easy. No problem thing and yeah and then this happened so. I don't know we're just waiting for Ellie mastel to call back there. We go hi. Lms Doll still breaking up. But all right we'll do our best So I WANNA I also want to ask you about The esteemed or not so esteemed attorney. General Bill Barr now. We've had some pardon. My French fucked up attorneys-general before remember when we were freaked out over Jeff sessions and there was John Mitchell. Bill Maher seems to be in a class of his own. What are your thoughts on Bill Bar? I think all the in history including one consolidated bill I think the GREMLINS are are out to get US Elliott. Just not hearing you anything now. I heard anything yet was just saying that. Other attorney generals and their credibility Rest on the park tally. Par has you're an adult. Okay I want to. I want to translate an attorney. General D- depends on the appearance of impartiality. Is that what you said? This is not working. Eliot I'm so sorry I we're just breaking up horribly. Oh I don't know what the no I don't either. We're going to have to well. We'll have to try this again Another time the I'm really not hearing I'll I'll send you a segment so he can hear how bad it is. I would suffer through it. But we're really only hearing like every third syllable or something so sorry. I'm so sorry I so I so appreciate your work and I really appreciate your input and I'll reach out to you again and hopefully in the in a week or two we can try it again. Okay no problems. Thank you so much L. E. Doll. I'll tell send everyone over to read your stuff instead of hearing you today all right. I'm sorry about that everybody. I just I figured it was. There was no sense in keeping going because I couldn't hear him. I know you couldn't either so the two things we've got we've got eight minutes or so left I will open the phone lines. Should you care to weigh in on anything? That's going on what I wanted to mention to him. Is I mean the latest stuff with bill bar is all this stuff with Flynn which I went into before we got on the line is really reprehensible and I know that you know something like two thousand former A Justice Department officials signed onto a letter demanding bar resign. He and what I did hear. Ellie must also say is that an attorney general has to at least have. The appearance of being impartial and bar has none of that none of that. So yeah what's going on with. Him is just horrible and then. And then it's it's the you've got the You know the Oba Obama you've got trump and his minions screaming about Obama Gate. Well nobody knows what the Fuck Obama Gate is. There is no such thing and when they're asked to explain it. There is no explanation because there is no such thing so you know again I mentioned earlier opposite world. We are just in opposite. World for instance I know you hate it when I play trump's south you know what I'll play here. This is a very quick clip. What's her name mcenaney Kit? Whatever her name mcenaney the new the press secretary She was asked a question about i. I think it was about trump taking the hydroxy chloroquine or or something else that he was lying about and listen to her answer. The present a United States set it and if there were any other president of the United States the media would take him at his word. If it was any other president of the United States the media would take him at his word because any other president of the United States didn't lie every time he opened his mouth so there's that You know there. There's a lot going on. Even though the the congress is not back in session the Senate has been holding hearings and in fact there was a hearing yesterday in. I believe the Banking Committee and it was with Secretary of the Treasury Steve Mnuchin and Oh God the Fed Chair Jerome Powell witnesses. And everyone was doing it. Virtually there were all on computer I happen to tune in right when SHERROD BROWN WITH QUESTIONING STEVE. Mnuchin on the horrible way. We treat essential workers in this country during this pandemic during the. You know the lockdown when many of us most of us are out of work and But Just let Sherrod Brown who I floated as a possible. You know last minute replacement for Joe Biden on the ballot just saying if it's ever necessary that I think he would make a great candidate anyway. I was even more impressed with Sherrod Brown. After hearing his questioning of Steve mnuchin years a little bit of it the people who are the we call the essential workers and we call out and thank those essential workers are often the lowest paid workers. They they do the laundry. They're the custodians. Security People They they prepare our food. They put their lives on the line for very low wages. They're still worried about paying the bills. Is that fair? Well Mr Center I I just want to thank all the essential workers whether it be the healthcare people. The guys thanking is Great. But these are these are people. Is it fair that our economy pays the essential worker so little in such work conditions? Film Mr Senator. Some of those people are paid less than others Again I question is that is that fair it again Mr Center. I don't know what specific workers you're you're referring I can lay off. I'll try to chairman. Federal Reserve. Chairman is is it fair that those workers who are exposing themselves to this virus that are making low wages we call them. Essential by all of our definitions. Is that fair? Now you know those are workers who were in basically in the service sector. That's what's unusual but sports service sector. That are low paying. Sorry the clip ends. They are Drome Powell didn't have much of an answer either but Steve mnuchin o our thoughts. Go out to them and and and I love the charred Brown. Just cut him off. Excuse me no yeah and then. I need to play this because I've been going on. Mike Pompeo today for good reason. Mike POMPEO and bill bar need to both be put on a carnival cruise ship and sent out on the cruise to Corona Ville like yesterday to more worthless people. I can't imagine and they're both crooked as hell. Some Mike Pompeo. Well let me just play this clip for you because the only thing I can think of when I hear how Mike Pompeo didn't answer. This question is what fucking asshole. You have said Sir That Mr Reineck was undermining the department's mission. What exactly does that? Now Mr Lennox was the inspector general of the State Department who was fired from what we're hearing. What even trump said at Pompeo's request me. Can you give us examples? You know. Even the president doesn't know what that means. He says he didn't really know about the guy before you. You mentioned it. So what specifically as Mr Nick then unlike others I don't talk about personnel matters. Leak DEAL YEAH. I I can't talk. I can't give you. Specificity will share with the appropriate people the rationale but nope there should be no mistake. Official business secret as to why he was. Answer the question if you will. I appreciate the question. let's be clear. There are claims that this was for retaliation. Yeah for some investigation that the Inspector General's office Houston. It's patently false. Have no sense of what investigations were taking place inside. The Inspector General Shit couldn't possibly by all the things I've seen the various stories that someone was walking my dog to sell arms to metric cleaners selling arms crazy stuff so I didn't have. I didn't have access to that. Possibly have retaliated would have been bullshit. There's one exception. I was asked a series of questions in writing. I responded to the with respect to a particular investigation which anything about as best I can recall. God He's such a Liar. Nature of the investigation of what? I would have seen from the nature of the questions that I was presented. Oh my gosh. I don't know if that investigation is continuing. I don't know if that investigation has been closed out. Don't have any sense of that again. It's not possible to further. Have Been Retaliation Bull Shit. He was he answered the questions in writing because he declined to sit for the in person interview about this issue this issue being arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates without trying to do an end run around Congress. He refused to answer in person. He answered the questions in writing. He knew there was an investigation. He is a fucking liar. And Hey Mike Pence or Mike Pompeo or both of you are all thrall of you. I've got a song for you all right and with that we. We are just out of time. I what a day. This is Ben. I was hoping to get through today with no technical problems and at least I know it's not only me. Cbs News as well. It's all of television but it doesn't make it any better on my part. I'm so sorry. Just got an email from Ellie apologizing. Saying usually what he said. I'm so sorry. Usually my landline is the most stable connection in the whole house. So he'll just have to come back on the show again sometime soon. And he'll have to get a lamb line. That's not a cordless phone but in actual plugged or just charge the phone before you come on all right with that we are done. Let me tell you what's coming up. Tomorrow Thursday Howie. Klein will be here as usual. We will get through our list of progressive candidates still on the ballot who we need to vote for in the primaries because we need them to win in November. So we'll do that with how he tomorrow on. Friday Governor Don. Siegelman will be here. Don siegelman former governor of Alabama who was a political prisoner in this country at the hands of Curl Rove and the George W Bush administration. His story is unbelievable. I'm reading his book now and we're going to. When the book comes out in the middle of June we're going to do almost a full hour on it but he's GonNa join us this Friday because this is a man who's run a lot of elections and he's got ideas of what the Democrats need to do to win so we'll talk to. Him and Monday is Memorial Day but since we had so much fun this past Monday with a music Monday show. We're going to do it again. This coming Monday Memorial Day. Whatever I can't go to the beach so what we'll do a show and my friend Dan Navarro will be here and yeah so I think you'll enjoy it anyway. Hopefully the technical problems are gone now. Gremlins big on all right. We'll see you tomorrow. Everyone thanks for bearing with me by.

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20201208 Nicole Sandler Show - Tuesdays with GottaLaff

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20201208 Nicole Sandler Show - Tuesdays with GottaLaff

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. Fewer discretion is advised. She's got the news. she talks with. Newsmakers encourages us to laugh and she cries with us speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. It's the nicole sandler show all right. Welcome to a tooth day. Everyone and not just any tuesday. Today is the tuesday. Or one of the tuesday's that the supreme court turned donald trump down. Yeah that just happened moments ago right before airtime and let me read breaking news alert. The supreme court has rejected a bid by a republican member of congress and other gop activists to overturn president-elect. Joe biden's win in pennsylvania in an order tuesday afternoon. The justices turned down the emergency request from representative. Mike kelly republican of pennsylvania and two other house candidates to decertify the results of last month's election in the keystone state. The high court acted without comment or noted dissent in the matter on the last day under- federal law for states to submit their slates presidential electors without being subject to potential contest in congress. Yes see today today happens to be. Oh god what. What's it called It is safe harbor day. Of course how. Can i forget that yesterday was pearl harbor day. Today's safe harbor day. I don't know if that was coincidence. Or just sorta like bad timing or what but today marks the deadline for states to certify their election results so basically what it means is something you already knew. The donald trump is just full of it. He has no hope to overturn this election. Though he hasn't stopped trying he is still calling state legislature doors trying to bully them into up ending the will of the people. I mean it's horrendous. He i guess he did a thing today where he he had a covid vaccine summit or some nonsense. The beautiful thing about that was while he was doing that joe biden. The president-elect was holding an event where he was introducing. He is health care nominees including sarah. Who's going to be the secretary of health and human services and as trump was going on about whatever nonsense he was spewing dr anthony fao cheesy was with joe biden explaining that he will remain in the same position he has had for i think under six presidents as head of the infectious diseases portion of the national institutes of health and he will be a president. Biden's chief medical advisor or something like that so yeah just. The orange one gets more demented by the day. What's frightening is that he still has that nuclear football still not getting the show on tv. Oh shit well. That's not good. Hold on. Let's see if i can't fix that. Progressive voices is not working correctly. All right. let's see if i can get them where they're supposed to be. I don't know why that shouldn't have happened. But all right. Hopefully house of roberts in the chat room at nicole sandler dot com. Please let me know if that did the trick. And maybe we'll start on progressive voices. I don't know why it didn't work in the first place all right so anyway for the rest of you who were here before we get into it. I be remiss if i didn't mention it forty years ago. Tonight john lennon was murdered. You know and back then in nineteen eighty the shooting murders like this. We're not well. I don't wanna say they weren't as common as they are now. But i think maybe we didn't weren't as tuned to them. I don't know we. The was a shocker. I mean it still would be a shocker. If someone's gunned down on the streets of new york and it's not donald trump you know pulling the trigger on fifth avenue because that we expect to happen anytime but yeah it just. I know we didn't have mass shootings. Certainly but the whole the thought of a man like john lennon who was all about peace. Give peace a chance. Being gunned down in front of his home just as he was emerging back into the limelight into the spotlight. He had been stay at home. Dad for five years just on sean was born and he just was home being daddy and then he to dip his toe back into the water and he and yoko ono recorded the double fantasy album and was shortly right after. That album was released that he was murdered. And it's still. I remember it as clearly as if it were yesterday because it often feels that way as if it were yesterday it was. I was in college at the university of south florida. I was studying for an exam. I don't know why. I had monday night football on because i am not a sports fan. I don't watch football. Maybe i just. I always have to have something on in the background. Because i'm add. And i need the stimulation or something. But i like so many other people learned of john lennon's murder from howard cosell on monday night football and of course i was studying broadcasting at the university of south florida and i worked at the campus radio station and my boyfriend at the time did as well and he was at the station with tim. Who's last name escapes me. At the moment who was hosting the late night jazz program. It was a classical music station most day and they had jazz at night and i had four hours a week of rock and roll friday and saturday nights from eleven to one but so it was jazz that night. It was a monday. Obviously and i stopped what i was doing. Obviously there was no way. I was going to go back to studying and drove into the station. Because that's what we did and we talked and we play john lennon musical night. I never got to meet john lennon. Lucky enough to meet yago ono a few times. The picture for those of you watching a video feed the picture is from. I want to say around one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. When they released the film. Imagine john lennon and the station. I worked at at the time in los angeles was then kennex. Fm and we have the premiere of the movie and we spearheaded a campaign to john lennon. A star on the hollywood walk of fame. Which is why. I was wearing that t shirt in that photo with yoko ono. We have these snapshots. I have little snapshots moments in time and yeah time freezes at moments like that. I hope i never experienced something like that again. In my lifetime. But i'll tell you back in nineteen eighty. I don't think i ever could have conceived of what life would look like in twenty twenty. This is the staff of just bad bad. You know bad dystopia. Novels that get published. There's probably a million stories like this. Where donald trump character you know gets elected president and the publishers go. No this could never happen. Never in a million years and yet here we are and the supreme court just turned him down. So something else that i never would have imagined. Although if it's gonna happen anywhere of course it would be here in florida. I think i told you about this woman a while ago and actually i've tried to get rebecca jones on the program but Honestly i reached out to a few times and never heard back. And i just figured all right. She's a busy woman. While rebecca jones was a data scientist at the florida department of health and she put together. She does statistics this thing and she was reporting on the covid. Nineteen statistics and her she. She she Fashioned a dashboard like an informational dashboard for a website. For the florida i guess. Department of health website and our governor ron death sentence. I guess didn't like the fact that she was disseminating. Accurate information about the virus. She refused to alter the information. She refused to fake some of the statistics that that governor death sentence wanted faked and therefore she was fired and so she went out on her own and she basically sorta rebuilt that dashboard and she did it on her own with information. She was publicly able to access well yesterday morning. I'm just going to read to you from one of our local papers down here. Are the florida. Department of law enforcement served a search warrant at rebecca jones. Tallahassee home monday morning in connection with an investigation into who hacked the state's internal notification system with a message urging state employees to come forward with information about florida's handling of the pandemic the alert read that there are claiming. She wrote the alert red quote. It's time to speak up before another seventeen thousand people are dead. You know this is wrong. You don't have to be a part of this. Be a hero. Speak out before. It's too late on the surface. I mean i don't see anything harmful and that it's a good warning that everybody in florida needs to here because our governor is responsible for the deaths of well over seventeen thousand people because he is irresponsible as the orange buffoon up in washington. Dc so rebecca jones tweeted a video of agents entering her home yesterday morning with their guns drawn with a message that said there will be no update today at eight thirty this morning. State police came into my house and took all my hardware and tech. They were serving a warrant on my computer after the department of health filed a complaint. They pointed a gun in my face. They pointed guns at my kids. This is horrendous. I cannot believe this is the united states of america. I'm going to play the video. If you're watching on a video stream you'll see it if you're listening you'll get the idea of exactly what's going on here here we go. She opens the door all all children. All come down the stairs now. They're holding their guns holding their guns up the stairs. And that's where the tape ends. You hear. Rebecca jones shouting. He just pointed a gun at my children. You see the cop at the bottom of the stairs pointing his gun up the stairs. Her husband and two young children are there. Rebecca jones was fired from her job in may and since then has maintained her own website where she posts corona virus statistics. She this is what she wrote. After she tweeted out that video they took my phone and the computer. I use every day to post the case numbers in florida and school cases for the entire country. They took evidence of corruption at the state level. They claimed it was about a security breach. This was the fantasy that's his given name. I think death sentence is a little more accurate anyway so this the department of health apparently according to this sell florida sun-sentinel article reading the department of health filed a complaint with florida department of law enforcement regarding unauthorized access to a department of health messaging alert system used for emergencies and respect somewhat jones home illegally accessed the system. This was the basis for their raid. Because that message that i read to you they they are saying she did it while she didn't do it. And she said it went back and forth but the video shows agents entering her home with their guns drawn. Jones tells the officers that her husband and two children are upstairs as they direct her outside of the house. One of the agents points gun toward the stairwell and officer shouts police come down now and then you hear her screaming. He pointed a gun at my children. She she rebecca. Jones denies hacking the system. She said i never had access to that system. I'm not a hacker. I do data statistics and analysis. This is gestapo tactics. This is not america. This is not what i signed up for. And and i you know. The whole thing is just so disturbing. In july rebecca jones filed a whistleblower complaint against the florida department of health saying that she was removed from her post. For refusing to falsify data rick johnson the tallahassee lawyer representing her called the complaint straightforward. He said quote. They told her to fudge the numbers and she said no so they fired her and fudge the numbers without her. She was on cnn last night. She told the whole story to chris. Cuomo got a very long clip. I'm not gonna play it but it she wrote what she. Here's a quote from her. If she said this was very thinly veiled attempt to intimidate scientists and to get back at me she warned her former colleagues of the florida department of health because the agents took her phone descent is could be privy to private conversations. They've had or details. They've shared in confidence which she cautioned could get them fired so because they took her personal electronic devices people who were giving her information who were still employed. The florida department of health are now. She's warning them that. Oh my god. I didn't give you up. But they took my stuff and yes some of your messages or on there by the way as proof that she didn't write this this texts. She said that number one. She hasn't had access to any government systems in over six months during which time she has publicly called upon people to speak out and she argued that whoever sent the alert undercounted deaths by four hundred and thirty people. She said i would never round down. I take that number and every number very serious like the text said seventeen thousand people. She noted that the death toll at that point with seventeen thousand four hundred thirty people. She said those four hundred and thirty people are human beings. They've people grieving for them. They died they lost their lives. I would never ignore them. I would never not count them. I wouldn't down. I don't know where we go from here. Other than than than governor death sentence needs to be removed from office. We can't legally do it by the power of the ballot box until november of twenty twenty. Two maybe we can impeach the motherfucker. What do you think yesterday. I played for you a miss lowry. Layman's rendition. her parody of the devil went down to georgia. I told you there are number of them. Well here's the number two and honestly. I'm not sure which one this is so we'll just find out together so take it away. Talented song parody. Stick around gotta laugh. Is coming up next to georgia. He was he was in a bind behind. He was willing to make a deal when he came across. A lot of people will in turn donald jumped up on his feet instead. Georgia limited. Tell you not to say a lot. But i'm the best man for this job and if you vote me out of office i will call it for us now. Sleepy joe and good for you give donald what is do. I'll give you a million dallas or you blow at georgia georgia. Then hell nobody and it might be surprised. But i'll take my soap and give it to joe that south of revolutionary wrong. Donna got on tv and shouted. Hey this is fraud but somehow everyone else do it with time to get john. George said the rates with called vp. A two we told you once you son of a bitch. The state is tournament firing back some days. Her name is sarah hester ross and she was playing that fiddle and singing to good stuff Okay now this news. Emc's place in as win. Every tuesday we get together with our pal got to laugh and well shoot the shit about the news by going through these twitter stream. because it's pretty prolific. But first we need to get her on the line so let me push them buttons and say hello yes he breached the rudy hotline. Okay if you think rudy. Giuliani lost all his legal battles. But the only casey one was a case of kobe breast too. If you think social distancing from rudy won't be a problem because nobody wants to get close to anyone who farts than press three if you think it's been a stellar month for rudy. Because his hero lost the election. he leaked hair dye. He held a press conference in front of a dildo store. He got laughed out of court. His kid got kobe. He tested positive. And he jerked off in a borat movement. What a to end a career you know rudy and today. He called into his own show. Oh he has a show. He called into his own show. Maybe it meant he was going to be a guess. I don't know but the called in. And he admitted. Jenna ellis right. Janet ellis now also has the rona g. Though surprise. I mean how could that be possible. I can't figure it out there. Always so careful may wear their masks all the time. Right did you hear that. Sham of a hearing last week when rudy. If she'd take off her mask so he's sitting at the table right. This woman comes up to testify in this not hearing. They're not under oath. There was not a courtroom. Was a hotel ballroom. But this woman sits down to tell her story and rudy says this is. We don't want you to do this if you feel uncomfortable. Customer taking umass You clearly g career kennedy won here clearly commercial we can. We can hear you so everyone else can hear. Okay be that way. I just didn't want her wearing a mask. Well that mask may have saved her life. You see because rudy. Giuliani can and did test positive and immediately gets admitted to walter. Reed where i'm sure. He got the same designer cocktail that donald trump got that. Guess what you. And i don't have access to so if we somehow test positive for covid we are not going to recover in a matter of a couple of days because we don't have that kind of treatment but it seems that everybody in donald trump's immediate circle does. There's something really wrong there. Yeah it's magic. How they all have the same medicines that they have x. Ray isn't it. Yes look at them and go. We wish we could do that right. No and the thing. Is i know a few people who have died from covert. I know one person firsthand. i know of a number. You know friends of friends. But one person that i knew fairly well who was a big progressive activist here in south florida radical. Jack was his name. And and yes. I know walter and david just said walter. It's supposed to be for army for service personnel and government personnel. Only in somehow rudy. Giuliani went. there you know again. He's all about everything he says. He's against the opposite of that. That's why i've been talking about opposite world for years. Yeah you know everything everything. Every time he opens his mouth forty two days. People forty two days in hours forty three minutes and fifty seconds and the countdown clock is posted at nicole sandler dot com both on the homepage and on the listen. Live page right below the chat. Yeah yeah well. Let's let's go for tweets because we have a lot he okay then adding them since you. Well it's been a busy day so time to let loose tweet. I don't want bird poop on my head. Yeah well that would be. Must my hair so all right. So what's what's twitter. All a twitter about starting with the supreme court. Denying the effort to overturn biden's victory in pa l. o. l. Gop said nice to know is six. Digit win isn't contestable. Just because it makes republicans sad on this is a good one randy. Miam- singer said and she's a screenwriter. They'll now appeal to supreme court total landscaping or supreme court yard by mariot. Exactly somebody else said that one to me too. And then benji saarland said if nothing else. Trump's provided a big boost for the six to threes conservative court who. Now get to show off their independence. I'm sorry show off their independence by setting the bar won't overturn an election. That's how that's how low it is. Yeah don't make any mistakes here this as my husband points out to me all the time. These people do not want their legacy to be. They say they destroyed democracy for donald trump. these people are now on the supreme court and they have a lifetime appointment. They're not gonna follow him down this rabbit hole because they're all regardless of whether we agree with their ideology or not. They're all accomplished to some degree in the legal field. They're not gonna. They're not gonna do this. Shit they're not rudy giuliani's so they will do other stuff that oh yes they will. of course. we mustn't get too comfortable with a couple of no. No no no. I'm just saying they're not gonna they're not going to overturn an election. Right he the will of the people low bar us we overturn election because the president said so by the way also. Algae said i think giuliani went to georgetown medical center. He did apparently he first. Went to walter reed and then he went to georgetown so i don't know if he was transferred i i don't think he was admitted to walter reed but i believe what i read is that he went there. I and i guess maybe then. They transferred him because he didn't belong there contagious. You don't belong here. Want you in the hospital. Make everybody else by the way did you hear. There's i read something yesterday. About joe biden may not be able to move right into the white house on january twentieth. Because it all they have to do deep heavy duting duty cleaning because the petri dish there so much apps ovid brewing in there and marinating and growing and all these people are infected. They need a full on cleaning in of every crevice in every cranny i guess it depends if trump decides to go down to mar-a-lago and just stay there for the after the holidays. Or if he plans on hanging out in dc until the very last minute. I don't know do whatever he can do. Whatever choice he makes. It will be to make tougher on biden so it won't have anything to do with what he wants to do. It will have to do with what he thinks. Stick it to the biden team in muse hanging out at the white house just to make it harder do it. Yeah he's such a prick got really just really is and i wonder i mean is he is he. That's stupid or or does he know that he's just dry. Making these people follow him around. I mean he loves the poorly educated. Does he know these people realize how badly he's taking advantage of them their hatred for the you know they want to own the libs more. Yeah they they also think that whatever he does is gold. So yeah i mean. They don't care what he does. They've said as much. They've said he could hurt somebody and they wouldn't mind because look at the other things he does for us. That's what they've said. I mean there's just you know we can't even guess added anymore. Here's something else stupid. He did okay so the medal of freedom was award yesterday. And who did he give it to this time. Some a wrestler wrestler. At least it wasn't rush limbaugh again. No it was. Oh sorry. it was a wrestler. Dan gable an olympic gold medalist. He shrimp touted gables record. He pretended he won last month. That's something else is all part of the story. But i'm not sure why they wrote that. But it says in the in the headline to presidential feeder freedom hasn't traditionally been used as a reward for political allies. Much seemed to help them says all he does. That's all he does and so good anyway. So rachel maddow tweeted and this happened. I saw the video. Trump just walks out of the room leaving him in the middle of the oval office. Unsure what to say or do next gable literally shrugged his shoulders and raises arms to reporters as if to say. I guess we're done. Oh my god he just turned a little bit. And you know we've seen standing there. We've seen him do similar things before when he like one time when he had what's supposed to be signing some executive order or some other bullshit and he turned to walk out of the room before he signed the thing and they had to pull him back in your forgot to firing the thing exactly. Yeah in fact. Stephen and writes complicating matters. This appear to be the latest in a series of examples of the president rewarding political allies. Oh sorry that was a whole different thing. It wasn't what you thought it was based on what you said. But no this was still about giving his friends rewards. Yeah he just does that. He forgets to sign things. He walks through the wrong. You know the one time that bush walked into a door because it was locked and he made a joke and tried to pull it open on. Remember that this. That trump does that times infinity. Right you're right. it's hugely embarrassing. Here's something that is a little bit heartening. Although i've had people respond to me with some skepticism. But i'm not so sure. New york's attorney general which is letitia james james. She says on the byu how trump will try to avoid justice but he won't get away with it. She said she's been investigating. The trump organization after cohen testified. The fact that mr trump is the president of the united states really has no bearing on our investigation. She said in fact. The election has no bearing on our investigation. We'll continue our investigation whether he's president or not and she goes on. The book can preemptively harden individuals and the vast majority of legal scholars have indicated that he cannot pardon himself. What he could do is step down and allow the vice president. Mike pence department pardon. His family members his children his son in law and individuals in his administration as well as some of his close associates. And then i suspect at some point he'll step down and allow the vice president to pardon him. It's important to understand. He's pardoned from federal crimes. He is not state crimes. That's right she goes on about that so she's on it she She also i saw her. I think it was on matter the other night and she is very happy about to investigate. She's clearly gleeful about trying to so i don't think she'll give up on a mountain. Think skeptics are warranted. those kinds of systems. Yeah i well. I hope end you know. Yesterday i had jeff houser on the program. jeff houser runs the god the revolving door project cpr. It's a it's a. it's a watchdog group who watches political executive branches. Nominations and appointments. And so we were talking about the cabinet. And i asked him who he thought would be a good attorney. General who biden leading towards the the isn't named him yet and he did say letitia. James is someone that is would make a great attorney. General as would cheryl full best china mine too and when he said it. Yes please please. Can i vote. It's not even a contender. Well she should be if she's not officially but i have never seen her name mentioned in right now. He's aiming toward jones. Doug jones of alabama actually don siegelman former governor of alabama really likes doug jones doug jones was one of the lawyers who helped a don siegelman when he was he was targeted political prisoner targeted by the bush administration. And karl rove. So i know doug jones is a good guy. But he's a white guy from alabama and and he's a conservative so i wonder if he's as conservative as he's had to be publicly. I wonder if he wants. He gets out of the political sphere whether he would be a little more. Because i know the black caucus is for my right at that. No i did not realize card for doug jones i yeah i don't think so. I don't think so because they've been pushing for you know. I was going to say an african-american but yesterday sister soul in the youtube chat rooms that i hate it when people use term. I'm black and you know. It's not a to me decide but i always thought you know wondered about that so i said sisters one of these days she used to call into the show and we can have this conversation because i don't wanna call people by some designation that they don't want to be referred to so anyway. I know i read it though i whether it was key member. I thought it was members of the black caucus. But it might have i. I don't know definitely read that. He has support from the african american community in terms of political figures. I can't recall specifically. So i'm sorry for that should've yeah you set aside okay. But it didn't occur to me. Okay so ivanka sharkey. we're talking. About how gina ellis has the covid. Yes she does. She's got dacoven. Scott did she got the jerry critic. Ronan i'm sorry she. She has grown. She's got the rona well. Ivanka trump and jared kushner were guests at the same white house party. That jenna ellis attended on friday. You know who knows what could happen in whole rona party. Okay he could in fact they could have a reunion party in all the people that were there at the holiday party could august six together and have another party. Okay hey they just announced another one. Joe biden is has selected representative marcia fudge of ohio to lead the department of housing and urban development. I wondered that was. I saw people pushing for her. That was going well including sherrod brown. Who's a senator from ohio. She's congresswoman from ohio. So that good. That's good yeah okay. I'll go with that sure. Okay so in. Ross story we've got. Gop conference call erupts after lawmaker floats condemning republicans who asked trump to concede the. Here's how it sounds in real talk. Instead of headline talk a phone call among republicans in the house of representatives devolved into bitter infighting after one. Gop lawmakers floated a resolution that would formerly condemn any republican who called on trump to concede the twenty twenty election. Washington post was reporting that the controversy started when representative alex mooney of west virginia pitched resolution during the call that would condemn any member calls upon trump to concede prematurely before the investigations are complete. According to the sources many members of the house freedom caucus voiced support for the measure while more moderate members strongly objected to there are no moderate members. They object to it so and it basically says the. They're a mess over there. They're right absolute mess. Yeah well yeah but so are the democrats you know. I'm sorry but so are the congressional democrats congress deserves the lowest approval rating. That it has i mean they. They deserve it. they deserve it. I'm sorry this this this package. I don't want to call it a stimulus because it isn't i'm just it's embarrassing and i'm sorry. Nancy pelosi turned down offers of a trillion dollars because she wanted to go for the big package and now she's accepting nine hundred and eight billion and they're and they're it as a big win and now they're floating this nonsense that all all the republicans were offering with five hundred billion. That's not true. They were offering more than that and she said no. Just say yup yup just saying it drives me nuts too. I when i read that you know for a while they were holding their ground and all of a sudden number gets cut drastically and there. I don't know they. I know they keep saying no once biden is in. We're going to do more. But that never happens. Of course not little piecemeal things and nothing can get through in person standing up for the right or for the correct for us. You know bernie sanders with jeff merkley and i'm trying to remember who else i'm going to see if i can find erkki. Marquis was was part of it. Yup definitely ed markey. And i'm trying to remember who else i'm going to see if i can find here. It is sanders gillibrand. Warren merkley marking and widen urge colleagues to defend working class in covid nineteen relief proposal. So that's that's a pretty good group of cureton. Jilib ran sort of is one of those things is not like the other but okay They urged Senate democrats today to recognize the enormity of the economic and public health crisis and join them in quote demanding that any new covert nineteen. Relief proposal includes a twelve hundred dollar direct payment to adults and five hundred to their children while while rejecting provision quote to give a liability shield to corporations who threaten the health and safety of workers and customers. That's the biggie right votes. Both of them are because you know what there are a lot of people look. They're talking about bringing back. Some more increased unemployment benefits but a lot of people are hurting. Who don't get unemployment benefits right. I can't get unemployment benefits. But i'll tell you what that twelve hundred dollar check would help me enormously you. A million millions of other people. So yeah those are the two things god so you'll be all excited about this. Oh yeah. I know you really. You're going this okay. She's got some of us. Quaking in our boots is the quote. Kellyanne conway has gotten a multi-million dollar deal to write an unvarnished right thing memoir about her allies as i mean her time as a white house adviser okay mic who gluttony publishers paying her money to spew lies. Let me see. And i will tell you. This is the daily mail. So it's gonna okay. Let's see does it say does it say come because the thing is kellyanne conway miss the. He didn't lie. It was alternative facts. I'm sorry an alternative fact is a fucking die. And she sparked a bidding war on my god. I'm looking for the who finally ended up with it. But i'm not seeing it and i'm skimming so i may be milking because it's not that big a deal. I mean it's plenty of time to find out. And the thing is whoever it is has been had because kellyanne conway lies about everything. Want who would want to hear from her. I guess the trump and allies and they're all gonna get rich doing this. They're all going to go off and have their little. They're all be on. Msnbc on fox and as as as when he mccombs when you go on a regular contributor contributor your analyst and they're all going to write books and be in they were even saying that maybe a movie. You'll be out of her book. Oh my god. I wonder who's gonna play her daughter. Claudia and will. They do allude to that. They say that they will be writing about her marriage issues. So i'm sure her daughter will will make an appearance as well. George wouldn't well and if she doesn't know her daughter will say everything's yes. I'm sure she will but although she might be muzzled for the next she's probably sixteen now. Maybe got a couple of years of house arrest. I'm guessing mom lizzie graham. Oh god this is from brian bihar. He is at huffpost lizzy. Grandma's threatening the senate won't confirm any attorney general who might prosecute trump so to be clear. Says you're he's personally setting preconditions for what laws the nation's chief law enforcement homes or can enforce. Yeah i think that's illegal. I think that's called a is that it is that but but more like a obstruction of justice. Or something right. I would think side with think so something like that in nominee. I don't know well saying if you don't do what we want you to do. You will not get confirmed. I. it's pre ordaining. What judicial body is gonna do. It can't be legal. It shouldn't be legal is because that's how everything seems to work for us. Yeah it is a. Here's something fun yeah. This is from the hill k. trump's daughter-in-law lara trump. She's currently the favourite among north carolina voters to succeed in the two thousand twenty two republican primary for the seat of retiring senator richard burr. Oh my god okay. yeah senator. Lara trump wait. Hold on we have. I think i have the official laugh. Track here somewhere here. We go please. Is this according to be. Us are unlv lee business. School poll okay. Anyway and then also in terms of the two thousand and twenty four presidential primary north carolina trump leads among voters was seventy six percent support ahead of nikki. Haley who gets six percent and republicans ted cruz. Mitt romney marco rubio were also included and they each got three percent or less. Wait a minute and she got what for the presidential seventy six percent. Yeah oh my god. Hey i got a tidbit for you because you know i live in florida and the story about the florida state. Police raiding the home of rebecca jones wasn't enough. Oh my god awful. Jared kushner and avant trump appear to be moving to miami dade. Oh i saw that. They purchased a plot of land in. What's described as tony indian creek village. I don't know where that is other than. It's down to miami bunker. Well here it is believed to be a one point. Eight acre eighty thousand square foot plot most recently owned by julio iglesias and listed at thirty one point eight million dollars cheap on two of them. Yeah god unbelievable. They're all such privileges. Twits new york southpaw. He was commenting on this. This is from heather cable. A political new. The inaugural committee fails to pass simple resolution essentially acknowledging biden as president-elect after all republicans opposed offered the resolution which failed three to three other committee members are pelosi mcconnell mccarthy blunt closure so south says mcconnell mccarthy and blunt the senate majority leader house minority leader and gop policy chair voting against the peaceful transition of power in accordance with popular sovereignty lovely. They claim the reason they did. That was because it was premature because the electors hadn't done their thing so they were waiting until every that's what they say right. That was there. Yeah i believe that. And i've got some land not too far from where i'm sitting that i'll sell your really jonker. It's pretty far from the bunker. I'm nowhere near that. Just so you know. I'm i'm somewhere in between the miami bunker and mar-a-lago well i'm sorry you're you're even in tomorrow along with me both ohio. As the reason i called florida was big news yesterday. I put this out and you remember his name. And i already forgot it. Walsh joe walsh joe. I only know his name because it's the same as the guitar player. But he's not. He's the deadbeat. Daddy was in congress. Yeah for one term and became a never trumper. And i think left the republican party. He's still an asshole but he's he keeps apologizing easy. He's one of those in half. So sorry you guys. I'm so sorry And i'm turning over a new leaf and bob blah blah but somehow got his hands on my tweet and so we went. Crazy got big. But here's the story. Trump administration officials past when pfizer offered in late summer to sell the us government additional doses of vaccine now pfizer says may not be able to provide more of its vaccine to the united states until next june. Yeah because of its commitments to other countries. Right well they said okay. Our capacity our manufacturing capacity is up. We can offer the united states government so many more million doses and the trump administration's that now we're good. Thanks so they went and he probably had no stake in the company so he said so they went and put it on the open market and european countries in fact this is the drug that they started the vaccine. They started vaccinating people in the uk with today right it says before pfizer's vaccine was proved highly successful in clinical trials. Last month they offered trump the the trump administration the chance to lock in supplies. Beyond the one hundred million doses. The pharmaceutical maker agreed to sell the government as part of a one point nine. Five billion dollar deal months ago but the administration never made the deal a choice that now raises questions about whether the united states allow other countries to take place in line. Of course they did. Because there's nobody minding the store because these idiots donald trump is so quick to say we got this operation warp speed thing and we gotta down well. The biden team comes in and says yeah they may have part of it down they have a way to distribute it to the states so each state gets their share of the vaccine. Once it hits the ground in those states. Nothing nada zilch vip. No plans nothing. So there's no way no plan to get the vaccine from the tarmac at the airport to doctors offices into people's arms lovely. You know. I remember when everybody was excited. The vaccines were being worked on. And i said yeah wait. They're not going to be able to be distributed. It won't happen because of logistics right. And then there's no money for it no money has been budgeted for it and this is going to be competitive because that pfizer vaccine needs to be kept at arctic temperatures. Like one hundred below below zero. Yep and there's also components involved you after manufacturer nothing. All that and the piece of people would get mad. No they're simultaneously making enough doses. I said you're not getting it about the vaccine. It's about everything else after including getting it getting people to take it That's right any who. Ll gop our little buddy there. Yes yeah he said you're democracy should never be so tenuous that it must depend on the integrity of brian camp. Well you know yeah. Yeah yeah. I mean if this is who we have to rely on to come forward and say no. I won't do it. I won't do it president meantime. He's now cut down the number of early voting places. of course he has yeah so he didn't need trump to try to run the election. He's he can do it all by himself. With voter suppression old. That old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's not true. The enemy of your enemy can still be your enemy. And i hate that where everything's couched in enemies but i'm sorry that's the way we are these days. That is america twenty. That's where we are you're right. You're absolutely right. I mean it's it's fun to have a temporary ally. I get that right like when the whole lincoln project thing. Lincoln project yeah. That was a lot of fun. They didn't do much good. According to what. I read after the election. They said it didn't really make a difference what they were doing. But it was fun to watch you know might have swayed a couple of votes. Who knows randy. Bryce i mustache remember. I am i stash. Yeah yup. I love him. He he took on paul ryan in primary in the last cycle. That paul ryan was here for came very close. He should have won and if he had run again. Chances are he would have won. But you know he's a good guy it's hard to do. He said the same. Gop party that sues to keep businesses open during a pandemic also. Wanna make it impossible for the workers forced to work unable to sue the companies who profit from subjecting them to covid nineteen. Yep seriously messed up yes. It very messed up again. That's what that whole the letter from a sanders and warren. In gillibrand and widen merkley. I think that's all of them was about part of it. Yup that's very important is erman daily. I i've been following him since he was at the independent. Was it years ago like ten years ago. He's great he's at brown. University's cost of war project finds that trump's bomb the out of them airstrikes in afghanistan increased cillian casualties by three hundred thirty percent from two thousand sixteen quote in two thousand and nineteen air. Strikes killed seven hundred civilians more civilians than any other years since the beginning of the war. Wow wow no life my at nonsense. Just sickening rob writer. He said to protect our constitution and preserved democracy. We must maintain the rule of law. If trump has committed federal crimes. he must be prosecuted and to prevent future. Donald trump's doj policy must be changed to allow the indictment of a sitting president. Here here clap. Clap crappy thing. I do i i have. I have applause here. We go problem you and mine yours and mine is that we don't know we don't believe necessarily that the ag will actually go through with with going. After trump's it depends who the who depends who joe biden chooses his attorney general and until we find out we don't know but the thing is that biden has already sent doesn't done the the body language with his words as so to speak that he's not anxious to do that and i don't think an ag would necessarily how we don't you know what the that's what he's saying publicly and we don't know that that's the case and if he's being honest and honest politicians sort of an oxymoron. But if he's being honest he he he's gonna say it's not up to me. It's up to the attorney general. I have no say in the matter. And that's what he should do. He said that but he's also said nine anxious to do there. I know i know well look we according to jeff hauser. Who is my guest yesterday. The noise we made kept a number of bad cabinet appointments from being made. We need to be noisy. We need to be. I'm sorry pains in the asses. And that's what i plan to be a progressive pain in the centrist democratic asked. Yes i agree. Digby was doing a comment over. Okay you're going to help me zayn up to zayn up to two. She's she's turkish. She's she writes for the atlantic. She's great. I've been following her on twitter for a long time. Somebody listener suggested her as a guest couple of years ago. And i've just never been able to get her but she's got this great piece now in the atlantic about that we need to call it a coup even if it's not really a coup the only way to stop it is by saying that's what it is while her her tweet says it will read your digby. Her tweet says there's time there is time to be alarmed. It's such a time. The president's blatant if incompetent attempts to steal the election are happening in a period of entrenched minority rule and are met mostly with silence or approval by republican leaders. And digby said this is true. But it's not the first time they ran this playbook in two thousand and they won leveraging every bit of partisan power and full court press from the entire gop political establishment. Two thousand is the template and if it had been closer they would have done it again. Yeah well yeah absolutely scary so scary all of this. All you need is a couple more q. And honors judgeships and in the in the congress and in as governors. And you've got a coup you to be agreeable and the last one i have. Oh the day blast tweet oh the day is monroe and then sarah reese jones of political. She's maharajas had john cornyn. Gop senator john cornyn a member of leadership weighed in on. Biden's pick of a bizarre to run. Hhs calling him. A radical on the quote is i think he'll be controversial citing his position on single payer and abortion some of these folks are pretty radical reese. Jones said republicans pretending. They didn't just spend four years cool with neo. Nazis exactly exactly speaking of radical I don't know who did this. Somebody put this together. It's a bit of a super cut. This is kelly leffler from the debate the other night. Oh gosh she was zombie. This is every time she said. The name raphael warnock. This is what happened. My opponent radical liberal raphael warnock radical liberal rafia warnock radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal radical liberal. Thirteen times barely. She did that. Oh yeah it was awful and she. Did you see the tweet were. They showed her at four different times and she had the exact same expression it was. Oh yes she didn't have her facial. Expression didn't move and every time they asked her a question like. Do you think that senator should be allowed to buy and sell stocks. Donald trump has the right to to go down every road to try to. I mean she just that that was her answer. Didn't matter what the question was right. That was her answer. And i've seen the moderator interviewed on tv tried. I really tried to answer that question. She inch i said. Well no other than that you know here. Here's your real answer here. Here's a perfect example. Senator should members of congress be barred from trading stocks luck. What's at stake here in. This election is the american dream. That wasn't the question when they attacked me for a lie. Okay and that's what she did for the next forty seconds. she didn't. she just answered the question. She wanted to answer sort of sheriff shit about five different talking you and they were all from trump and they were all said in exactly the same wording and over again that is. It is true. True we're coming up on the end of the hour. Boyd that flew by. That's lou. Yeah forty two days left to go. There was a a news item from the former head of the israeli space. Security program says aliens exist but they think humans aren't ready so they only communicate with the governments of the us and israel trump found out and was going to tell everyone but they convinced him to keep quiet. It falls apart right there. I believe the aliens part. I don't believe trump could be convinced to be quiet so there you go. We're done thanks. Bye gotta laugh by everybody. We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening.

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20210430 Nicole Sandler Show - Progressive Professor Passes Presiden't Performance with Harvey J. Kaye

"This is in chaos. You can steal. This is as old as as as the rising sun. Okay but you've never seen this in this country like this and it ain't over until those people are in jail which is why you should enjoy that they're all embiid big duda okay up to here and enjoy that The following program continued graphic material including offensive language fewer. This question advised. Jeez got the news. She talks with newsmakers. Mingji encourages us to laugh and she cries with us speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. Each nicole sandler show. The good news is that it is friday and this week seemed to have gone on before ever and it will actually go on a little longer because tonight i will be guest hosting the broadcast once again. So it's a long long friday but that's okay because it's friday in the weekend is here so Coming up on the show today. A conversation with harvey j k now harvey is a professor. Actually professor emeritus. Because we'll get into it. He's kind of he's retired because of covid is basically the reader's digest version. But anyway he's still writing books in opining and i wanted him to weigh in on. You know joe biden's presidency at day one hundred now one a one and and weigh in on the speech the other night the not state of the union address. The joe biden's i address to a joint session of congress and in case you're wondering why not state of the union because in the president's first term and by the way it usually comes much earlier the end of april it's usually like in february president just getting on the job so they're really not you know it's not their state of the union that the reporting on so it's a an address to a joint session of congress come twenty twenty two probably closer to february joe biden will then have his state of the union address. Now you know where i stand. I'm i'm surprised only impressed. And i guess. It's not only me. Because i just saw an article on. Nbc news dot com. The headline reads. Joe biden is proving progressives wrong and they're loving it and basically the in its written by sale kapoor and alex sites walled and and basically. They're saying that Here the they actually quote congressman jamaal. Bowman who is a progressive who defeated elliott angle last year in a primary primary him from the left. Who said many of us were disappointed when president biden got the nomination when you look at biden's career he's definitely someone we would call a moderate democrat and then the article says he's less disappointed today. Quote biden has been incredibly responsive to the progressive movement. Bowman said we're we're accounting recent meeting between progressive house members and white house. Chief of staff. Ron clain. He told us point blank. Keep pushing keep us honest. And so i'm you know. I i out there for years. The the old saying don't let the perfect be the enemy of the and it used to piss me off. But i get it now. I really get it now and the purity test among my fellow bella. Progressives is starting to bug me because let's take some joy some pleasure some you know righteous hell. Yes at at the little gains my god. Don't forget what we went through over the last four years seriously. We don't have that luxury and we have very very short memories here in this country. We we we forget so quickly. Well let's not forget. Because i mean it was as bad as it could get and now all of a sudden yes. This enormous weight has been lifted from our shoulders but they could so easily bring it. Back for instance. Let me just bring you couple of stories in today's friday news. Dump before we get harvey j k on the line. President biden has cancelled all projects pertaining to building a wall across the southern border using diverted defense months. He will now use some of those some funding to repair the environmental damage from the walls construction. You see what. I'm talking about that. That is worth That is worth applauding. So let's let's applaud it okay. Let's and now we now we've got something to not applaud in. Here's where we're broken. Joe manchin i know. I'm sorry but i gotta go there again. Joe mansion is now the first and only so far democrat to come out against dc statehood says. It's not so much. He's against it but he thinks a constitutional amendment is needed to make washington. dc state. Well i just learned that west. Virginia became a state the congressional legislation. Somebody give joe manchin history lesson please. And then there's this. Joe manchin also said that he would vote against H one now also known as h. s. one that is the for the people act which is so necessary he said is if it was brought to floor in its current form. He'd voted against it quote. It's a far reaching eight hundred. Page bill that i do not support in its totality as it exists. Today i would not be able to support that bill and i would vote no. I hope it doesn't come to that. Hey joe mansion you know i. I'm sorry i don't have a whole lot of time today. But i got a song for you. Yeah so fuck you joe manchin please. Some other state and i know i'm here in florida. We're not helping much. But we need to make up that seat. And get rid of joe manchin. Because i'm sorry. He is worse than having another republican except when he is the fiftieth f. so-called democrat. It's untenable we can't go on like this one more piece of news. The tsa just announced they are expanded extending. The mask mandate on airplanes through september. And for that. I thank you not that i have plans to go anywhere but really this. Pandemic is not over yet now oregon as having another surge and it's not looking good my god we could. We could beat this thing but not if idiots keep saying i'm not getting a vaccine not wearing a mask well then what you people keep track of. Who's saying that because this is on them when it comes back and we have another year of being stuck at home all right. It's friday i should be in a better mood. Let me let me leave to one more thing before we get harvey. Jk on the line because we're going to spend a better part of the hour with him and that's to tell you that i'm still painting. I'm doing pet portrait's and other things. I mean i've got this. I don't know if you could see it. But i did this. Beautiful like beach maui. Black sand beach in maui. But but i'm spending most of my time. Doing pet portrait and mother's day is coming up next weekend. There is still time to get an order. They generally take me two three days each. But i you know i work work at it so if you want to get a pet portrait. Maybe as a mother's day gift or father's day gift that's coming up next month or for yourself. shoot me an email. My bullied me. My prices are very reasonable. Because i kind of have imposter syndrome because i've only been at it for six months and so i don't feel like i'm good enough yet. But but people are enjoying them so anyway. It's just another way to support the show. Okay all right without any further ado yesterday. How he climbed didn't really want to get into it. His his comment on the joe biden speech was it was okay then again. I didn't expect much more from howie. So i thought i'd turned to our friend harvey. Jk who when we last spoke about joe biden. He you know he hasn't. He wanted to criticize. And i kind of i. I'm trying to lead him into being more magnanimous. So let's see what he thought about the about yeah let's see what he thought about the speech and joe biden's first one hundred days harvey harby. Where's who where as hobby. Oh you mean harvey j k. Yeah he's coming up right now. The nicole sandler show he is and he's a historian and a professor. Emeritus at university of wisconsin green bay. What does that mean professor. Emeritus do you get you still have privileges yes emmannce. You're retired but you still have faculty privileges. without responsibility. your ten meetings for start. I can probably teach a course here there. If i wanted and wasn't the pandemic i might well want about we'll see But as i think. I told you before i would never have retired. If the pandemic hadn't struck right no. And i got doing shows. I didn't like the idea of teaching to screen full of well not even faces too many times. They would leave themselves unrevealed. So i just said i'm not doing this retire so i understand. Hey harvey something. I was thinking about it. We'll get to the the speech in a moment you're obviously a new yorker. I hear it in your voice and being a native new yorker myself. I grew up within twenty miles of times square. Wow so how did you wind up in. wisconsin Okay so i did. I think you know that. I did my undergraduate degree in new jersey and i went and did my master's degree in london and then i came back. I actually spend not quite a year working on wall street for for a british bank. Which i didn't want to do either but i had to get a job and they want to someone like me because of my training and my i spoke spanish fluently at the time but i knew that i wanted to do a phd. Mostly because i really. It's going to sound very small scale. But i didn't want to wear a suit every day and i just didn't want to give up reading and talking about it and i couldn't do that outside of academe so i went back and did the phd. And when i went to look for a job around nineteen seventy around nine hundred. Seventy six was real beginnings of the crash in the academic jog mar- job market. And i had gone from new york to london to louisiana and i looked kind kinda weird to people on paper plus my work was evidently the work of a leftist. And there i was in the deep south it took a while we went back to new york for a year and i had a post doc kind of thing columbia university then. I came out here to the upper midwest for a year in minnesota and then here to green bay and the by the way the and this is the other key thing. I had degrees in history political science and sociology. Even though i'm a historian and most universities don't like that really very kind of thinking in academia. So i needed to find a university that would be welcoming of my interdisciplinary nomadic stuff. And i for example and flogging example in florida a school like that would be new college up in sarasota sore. Okay right here in wisconsin it was. Uw green bay and so and then on top of all. I mean so many things went into this and so i did get the job here and i didn't know if i was going to stay or not but i also this is important. I trained us in latin american studies and then within just a few years i made a radical shift which is a whole long story to into british intellectual history. Although my wife is originally a british you know make. There wasn't really that it had to do. With the way in which group of british historians had begun to trend had already busy transformed the writing of history so that instead of the history of men and kings and queens and bankers and others history was more and more of the story of what working people did to shape human experience and and i was really fascinated by their ideas they were british marxist historians and by the way my very first book is titled the british marxist historian. Tom it's it was never out of print for about thirty is very successful even if i now if i go to australia or britain that's my claim to fame and coming and it came out in the second spanish edition this year argentina. So it's all spanish world and the other thing. Is that this fall. A third american of Translating is going to bring out. A third addition added a new preface. So that was my original work but then because of reagan. I was working on the question of how reagan and thatcher used and abused history. So i got so into really major article. Got a lot of attention and i got. I got a book. I got to book contracts one to write that book and then another one to write a second book on the british intellectual tradition. I was interested. So i just i just kept writing. And here at this university they was interdisciplinary years. Except what experimental. And i took full advantage of it and i can also tell you and i think after all these years i can get away with saying whatever i want. The fact was that they didn't know how to say no to me. Because because i mean i one was successful. Fortunately secondly because i was just new york jewish guy who came out here in the mid west. And they're all mid western nice. And i was kinda mid west chester new york Right yeah right and just let me be fair. They actually loved one might colleagues loved it. I made full professor in one thousand nine hundred. I made full professor so far ahead of schedule. I was told that. I was the youngest full professor in wisconsin at the time the whole state was nineteen eighty six. Okay maybe i might have been thirty five at the time. And and so. And then they gave me this distinguished professorships the better joyce rosenberg thing right and your your your title. Professor of democracy and justice. Yeah and and you know it's a. It's a whole long thing but the joke in the nineties. What are you going to move onto next. What country. You're going to move on to the next but i got so fascinated by the american radicals story. That's because i really wanted to help revive not just the scholarship in which was already underway. Really but i wanted americans to be more aware of it and when i say radical i mean both radical and progressive so often divide say between the stories of radicals like thomas paine elizabeth katie stanton and others and the presidential story. But then the more. I studied the more i was convinced that the american story overall is a radical story. And i and i ground my argument to the revolution in the lincoln presidency. And in the fdr years and so it's been a long forty since the bassiest forty five years. Since i did the i don't want to jinx myself. Everything's gone pretty right. And you're you're in green bay wisconsin. that's home. yeah. I mean i also let me also that in addition to the university being such a welcoming place it was also the fact that i really became diehard fans. I think you ever. Since i was a kid i was a real fan of the green bay packers. Well did you know. And i'm not a football person. I'm not a sports person. But i love the green bay packers because they're socialists team yes. They are the progressive social siham admittedly on. There's no private. Nope corporation is a trust really It's a city of one hundred thousand people in metro area of maybe two hundred at most. So you know in fact by the way the nfl will never allow another team like the pack banned from the league intact. Because we were the good guys in some ways you're grandfathered in but they're like no more. We're we're capitalists are none of that stuff so all right. So there's the back story harvey jk so now. Living a life of leisure you get to read and write and guest on shows and so good any new books in the in the making. I had. I had this one over my shoulder. The fdr book come out a year ago walked during the pandemic right. I have ulcers to just like. Maybe another book like people say. Hey maybe you wanted to get on democracy. Something like that which is very very inviting. I ha- my fantasy. I'll tell my fantasy is which is not to do it. If i could work up the time and energy what i was saying before about revolution the lincoln presidency and the fdr presidency. I'd like to do this. I'd like to give three lectures. I'd like some prestigious place. Invite me to give three lectures and give me maybe a year so to write him up and it's going to be an argument that americans are fundamentally radical at hard. I written a really good article about it. Got a lot of attention. Bill moyers promoted it for me and it became the basis for the for the book that came out with where that go. Oh this collection of my. I've got that right over there on. The shelf comes act called a mar history. So basically i want to take the the argument and i but i want to build it around those three moments. My thinking is that americans don't appreciate it that's because nobody wants them to remember it. I mean an and this will bring us segue into law. Well if we think about it we're we're exceptional in a very progressive way not the nothing exceptional in the way that the reagan and the trumpsters the way that they decide not that it has to do with this. Oddly enough people sort of status. Yes and ms whenever we've confronted in the course of our two hundred and forty year history whatever it is every confronted mortal crises the way in which for all of our faults and failings which were numerous. I mean slavery then We know we could go on. And on the the marginalization of when we know that at least we now the fact is that we have somehow founded in our cells to transcend the crisis to defeat our enemy whether foreign domestic my radically transforming american for okay in the face of in the face of the british and the tories and the loyalists we actually did create the makings of a democratic republic. In seventeen seventy six and the seventeen eighty s right in the face of the southern gospel. The session in the face i mean they seceded forget states rights they succeeded because they believe that slavery was natural right and there was nothing nothing true about all men are created equal or men and women are created equal but late but having elected lincoln and we found in our cells to defeat the confederacy by ending slavery. And the best example of how that how lincoln what about doing that. As soon as the union forces were moving into the south black slaves who had already had a history of trying to escape. They started to escape in mass to the union lines. They wanted to serve the union caused because that would bring the end to slavery now by the end of a civil war. Possibly two hundred and fifty thousand black troops were in lincoln's army. Yeah and by the way their their efforts enabled him to signed the emancipation proclamation. Right and then. In the nineteen thirties the worst economic and social catastrophe in american history way we transcended that is by way of the new deal but we should not think of any deal only as the programs that were launched but also by way of the fact that part of the new deal. Fdr's new laws. The national industrial recovery act and later the national labor relations. I empowered working people to the right to organize and create labor union. Right and by the way in the course of those years for all of the fault of unions great numbers of african americans and women became centrally involved in the in the twentieth century labor movement. So again there's this kind of radical transformation the empowerment of working people which by the way. It's funny we forgot it. Meaning our generations reactionaries. Didn't so what did they do back in the early seventies bay declared war not just on the great society. Here's they declared war on the new deal. Okay and i. And i mean think about it. They've done after the rights of workers. The rights of the hard-won rights of workers to heartburn one rights of women and the hard won rights of people of color especially african americans. Now if you think about those rights those rights that were the rights themselves were secured between the nineteen thirties and the nineteen sixties right. And if they come back into power. All bets are off on the future of american democracy. O fully agree fully agree on all fronts. It's a it's a fascinating. Look at how we got here and you said something. Rv about transformational change like when when. Okay joe biden was considered to be transitional president a placeholder if you will you know the guy who can come in after trump and sort of mellow things out. It was the guy who they who they used to block bernie. That is very true. However i think that that that bernie and biden are getting the last laugh because obviously bernie sanders has joe biden zere and joe and and and and hold on sorry somebody was calling And joe biden has moved per hugely on many issues where he seemed intractable before. And maybe that's because we are in a period of crisis. We are in a major. How did you put it. What kind of crisis berry immortal mortal crisis and we i mean what what. Moore's the pandemic than immortal crisis. Right now i will tell you that. We have a slightly different significantly different. Take we all right now. Joe biden is not a transformational leader yet. Okay and i'm not confident. He can become transformational. And the reason. I say that is first and foremost if we cannot end the filibuster there will be no transformation. Spending a lot of money does not make a leader in mind. Reagan spent a lot of money. But he's w bush in different ways and on different things. Send a lot of money. The ryan lucas spent ogle's of money. Yes they have so block any kind of transformation and donald trump spent a ton of money to do nothing to help the uber wealthy. And fuck over the rest of us. Absolutely which is exactly my point now spending money so far on the by the by the ministration which is not even as much as they should have been spending what they've spend is decidedly a good start but that's a relief plan. He's got right now. It's it's going run out at the end of the year. That's not that's not. A reconstruction yet has not even a real recovery at though they'll be it by the way in the past year half of the country has saved money. Okay and they're going to run out and spend it right half. The country has barely survived right so so we shouldn't assume that when he talks about the economic take-off that take office for everyone yet. That's really important. Okay but more important than that. Is this the jobs plan. Can't get through without bringing an end to the filibuster. I fully agree. So let's pause for a second harvey. Jk and and joe biden has already said he's ready. We need to get rid of the filibuster. He's on board. What who's not on board are well what we know for sure. Joe manchin and kirstin cinema. What does he do. And maybe and maybe other maybe others. And maybe that's what i'm saying. Those two we know for sure. I worked kelly. We don't know we don't know delaware. We don't know the senators from new hampshire. We don't know but we do knows for store. Those two are first hurdles to get over. What what should he do. what does he do. i know he's got a relationship with mansions going. I'm so glad you that's my job. I have. I've i've thought that would be the last of the day we start there okay. Okay last night's speech. Let me just tell you. I give last night's speech it'd be plus just for the record. Okay uh-huh that's better than what you said on you said b. minus been. He said he realizes that the filibuster must go first grad. You can reform the filibuster now. He's i think hinted at endorsing the idea of getting rid of it. Joe mansions endorsed the idea of transforming it. Yeah until joe biden started saying okay. We'll do that. And then joe mansion said no no no no no. We need to leave it alone institution. It isn't what. Joe manchin does every night because in says look. I wanna talk nicely. You're you're going to keep us from having to worry about so good. Senator bad senator. They're playing yeah but but but mansion is not good no he weighed cut look he the what a backup day the other day mansion and said he would actually endorse the tro act. Yes because because the mineworkers told them they told him you either endorsed or you. Loose our supports. Here's the problem. He he knows it's not going to pass now. We come back to the question of what can biden do right. What can biden do okay. First of all. I gotta do is in that well not. He should have done this last night. The speech was too long or not too long. It was too full of stuff. Stop it was. It was all over the place. I agree i spoke to afterward. Couldn't tell me what was important in the speech. I get a quick. I got some stuff. That i thought was important. Your listen with a different ear. Got right exactly okay. So and i found things. I really liked what he didn't do what was necessary when he said pro act when he talked about healthcare. And all those things what he they needed late in the speech to do. You should not even of current of foreign policy. Screw eight left that for another night. Yeah okay. He made the mistake birdie when he first spoke at georgetown university back in in two thousand fifteen to explain what democratic socialism after he did all of that he turned to foreign policy questions. Terrorism right got trump. It's okay what he needed to do. That is to say we cannot do any of this if we do not empower the senate to act right. We must transform better yet. We must bring an end to the filibuster and he he did depends on it. He didn't mention the filibuster last night or wednesday night daddy and then he could have and said so. I want all of you to write your senator text. Email your representatives from arizona to west. Virginia i should have something right right myfm. No let them know that. America's future that he he within the future depends upon enacting tro act before the people act And the plan right in putting needed to do gotcha and you know. I wonder there. He is talking to a a two party house there. I mean there were only two hundred people there. But there were was equal republican and democratic representation. He was trying to come across as the not the divider so to come out and say we need to get rid of the filibuster. That might not have been the venue for it. He did however. His venue is not to senate. His venue was the american writing room right exactly and this was his biggest audience. New this fdr new this. Every time he spoke he knew for example that the newspaper publishers hated him. He knew that big business despised him. He knew that the southern democrats probably didn't him what they really wanted the money to come into the south they were so backward down there okay so he spoke to the american people you know that. Hundreds of thousands of letters came into the white house every time. Fdr spoke on the radio. Did you know. Yeah i mean. People were just pushing. Fdr they were pushing their own representatives. Because look at one of the letters. I'll never forget reading. This one letter was from southern textile worker. Who said your my president the first president who realizes that my boss is the son of a bitch. Cool yeah well okay. I wanna play the clip of of joe biden talking about passing the pro act and in that clip. He also talks about other pieces of legislation. That need to be passed but he was talking to the senators. He was not talking to the american people. Here which is an interesting distinction. That i just picked up from you so but here. Here's a here's the president. Exactly right. Organize proactive and send it to my desk. So we can support. From right to unionize about senator things on my desk. Let's raise the minimum to fifteen dollars. Okay good soldier. He wasn't leading that no-one working forty hours away working forty hours a week. Should live below the poverty line. We need to ensure greater equity and opportunity for women while we're doing this. Get the paycheck fairness act as well as he did. He mentioned a number number of things but he did not mention the filibuster he said to him get does to my desk. What are you should have said. And my fellow citizens. Yes make them get that to my desk. The difference between a transformational presidents and and a guy who's not who's the guy doesn't know how to be transformational. Okay and i can tell you. Look this goes back some some weeks some months ago. I'm forgetting exactly. They convened a group of historians at the white house. Not unlike not unlike what obama did back in two thousand and nine two thousand and eight and if you look at the folks invited it was wrong group good historians but it's the wrong group. It was a jon jon. Meacham brought them together right. Make him and meet you not a historian okay is is a sweet guy but not in asia which we live. Sweetness is not what we need. Ok okay and that may be biden's problem. Would we what he needed to hear biden. Was that transformational. Presidents engage and challenge the american people to push them As lincoln did. That's what fdr above all else did and that's what that's what obama sad. Though he was lip service remember he said. Make me do it. Hold me accountable. Yeah well we tried. Yeah i think actually it was just talking to he was talking to he was he was speaking nation. I got you okay. Forgetting conversations. I look i do not at all not at all i got. I gotta tell you earlier this week. Don siegelman was on the show. The former governor of alabama who was targeted by karl rove and the bush administration and sent to prison for five years. He did nothing wrong. He was targeted by by paul rove and they have been data against him. They didn't want him to be governor again and they certainly didn't want him running for president. Barack obama should have pardoned him and got him out of jail. Didn't do it for the the time that he was in office and on his way out the door he still didn't do it. And i'll tell you something that pisses me off to no end. You know don siegelman is top of mind again. Because i spoke to him and every time that story comes around it makes me more and more angry that the party. The democratic party did nothing to help him. They did they let him languish in jail for five years. Horrible obama china. I just had. I had to get it out because it's still on my mind after speaking with the government the other day right now i just look. I'm willing to be patient but not for very long if biden. Because last night was the speech. I really wanted to hear him in which i wanted to hear him say we are. We are not out of the crisis. Right and price has been it has been in the making for forty to forty years. Okay it been in and for too long my own party. Yeah had turned. Its back on working people. He literally risen to the heights last night. And he didn't and that's why. The bbc is generous on my part. But i get it. And maybe maybe. I'm grading on a curve. I'm grading on a curve. Because my expectations of him were so low. You know he was my last choice. I thought for sure. If he gets in number one he's gonna lose number two we're screwed with his centrist attitudes and willingness to you know wanting to work with the republicans who showed no deference to democrats for the last four years A democrats the last forty. I know but i'm talking about you. Know in the in the past in the past what we just came out of and I'm i've been very impressed. By the what i perceive as a one eighty now. Does he go far enough. No is he is he my ideal president no but from what i expected to what he's at least trying to do at least paying lip service to i didn't expect any service helps. Look the service house but my point is to lip service. So far is not helping enough what i mean. Let's suppose that he does all out in trying to bring an end to filibuster and still fails. He has got to think about this. The only way he can hold onto congress in twenty twenty two is if american working people know he's fighting for him and and to empower them to fight so in other words bay. They can't say well he. He talked big. He talked big obama talk. He's got a he can be another obama. No oh no consensus last night bullshit consensus. He should've called out. He should've called out as opponents. Not by name. As i said to you and he should've said to americans we're list together we have got to brave filibusters down. We have got to pass the jobs. Act we've got to me just should have said that led that rain people's ears make it so that the msnbc crowd this morning didn't know what to say that they would have been flabbergasted. That's the point. Yeah now let them try to let them try to swallow that kind of argument. Yeah i hear you. I get i get it. I am just too well. I'm far from sweet number one. But knowing that my y- to go clause out and and put point at everything that he did wrong. I'm telling you i think. Maybe the euphoria of being rid of trump. that's given me a different attitude right. Let's think about what he did. I believe he actually said healthcare should be a right. Yup he did. Why didn't he say. Then let's make it universal. Here's the thing. Apparently that was they didn't know until he delivered the speech. A few things all in in the healthcare realm bernie had pushed for lowering the the medicare eligibility age right that and the which didn't make it into it. But what did something else of contention was negotiating Medicare prices in fact here. Here's what he said about that much lower deductibles for working families on the affordable. Care for animal care. Less lower prescription drug costs. I don't know how to do this. The last doesn't have that as we all know how outrageous lee expensive drugs are in america contract. We pay the highest prescription drug prices of anywhere in the world right here in the mirror nearly three times three times. They cut away to bernie at this point and he's not and it's like okay. Let's do we talked about all the years. I was down here in this body in congress. Let's give medicare the power to save hundreds of billions by negotiating floor john subscription price. I mean your point is he's just not going far enough. He's not putting enough on the american people to get stuff. Done is not inviting americans to join him if he if he's serious about the battle and that's look he didn't even do this. I read the other day that he was signing an executive order. That would say that. All the which i have been calling for for for months now that any federal every federal contract would have to include after include. Okay i believe that the fifteen dollars minimum wage. He just announced that last night that they are right excellent. Yeah okay and what he might have said is. Let's make it a point of not having me have to resort to executive orders. Right okay. contact your. He could've repeated it. He didn't do that enough. The theme of last night should've been join me in making these things happen. I can't do it without you. We are in this together. You need to help me move this body congress to do what we need them to do. He didn't have to say republicans conservatives. He knows his own mansion in cinema. May maybe guys named from from delaware. Coup chris coons or carper. There's two of them to they do. But they're gonna do whatever joe biden tells them to do because are from delaware that's biden state. They will follow his lead. They're not going to buck him. If he tells them. In no uncertain terms you will vote for this. They will vote for this. It's more management cinema endorsed. What's the young woman's name ran. I senate. I believe i gather new delaware. I don't i've got. We follow each other all right but aside from that. I mean so. He didn't go far enough in trying to pull in the american people that's a stylistic thing and very in nineteen thirty in the nineteen thirty six elections. Fdr turned his back on the democrats in wisconsin endorsed the progressives lethality fighting bob by theirselves. I need if i look. They all wanted to be. Fdr by the way liberal media is killing me or so full of it. They don't even history. Their knowledge of history is either absent. Or they're literally just propagandist. Yeah well most of them don't know what they're talking about. They go out on things. That i i don't know where they find some of these people these pundits and and i'll tell you i flip back and forth between msnbc and cnn and they're both equally as bad every now and then someone will say something. Great like nicole. Wallace had had had a great line last night when she responded to tim. Scott response Do i have that clip here somewhere here. Okay here's what. Here's what nicole. Wallace said about the republican response. The speech delivered from a planet. Where facts don't matter which is where the current republican party resides. So it's really not. This is a speech delivered from a planet where facts don't matter and that's the current republican party. We're good for her but again the there too quick to pick up. Oh he's trying to channel fdr well no how about. He's trying to be joe biden but more progressive joe biden than we knew existed. Trying is the key word there. You'll by joe biden hazard advantage that everyone talks about the fact biden doesn't have the advantage. Fdr had of a democratic congress a stronger democratic control in congress right. The democrats in congress were southern white supremacists. And we're gonna take with them but also out there where republicans who were right. Okay so in italy but the but biden has an example. An advantage over fdr fdr already lived right. He's an he's a model. Just as fdr us lincoln as a model by me should use fdr is a model. And that's why it's a shame that they didn't invite a name a half a dozen historians. They should have brought in who have educated on the president. He says he wants to be by the way. I want americans to make joe biden president. He wants to be me to. Joe biden one americans to make him that. I actually think he does. I think he does that. We need to get this conversation into his ears. Okay well of course. They listen in the white house. Plus i want him to grab hold of the segment when when as it's posted act on twitter or wherever and facebook get this to them absolutely. He does need to widen the the group of people that he's talking to get. But this is always the problem when you're in the white house you're very cloistered. You're you're you live in a bubble. I hope he's hearing other voices. But i am heartened. By the fact that bernie sanders obviously has his ear. Yeah i i don't think bernie's probably just so happy that it's not another obama. Oh yeah and again. It's baby steps i. I'm the first one to say. They're not with the program. screw him. he's not good enough with the rest of us. I lived through four years of trump. i am over the moon ecstatic and again. This is from the person who said. I'm going to wear my industrial strength nose clips to vote against trump biden. Is the wrong guy at the wrong time. He's not and right now. i want to encourage him. I wanna encourage him to keep doing the right thing to keep reaching to pass the proactive pass. I mean what he said about guest point. He can't pass anything. Now that's well. He had or he can use his term section points. We are inspection point. And if he doesn't start inflicting better and then we're in trouble because twenty. Twenty two is not long gods now way well let me ask you this. One thing that you know when they did away with the earmarks that cutoff bargaining power of of the president of the executive. Now they're talking. They're going to bring earmarks back. Don't you think he can you say joe manchin come sit down. Let's have a talk in the oval office. You want what for west virginia jobs per. We're i'm you wanna re education thing so that all these coal miners can go start. Manufacturing solar panels by will give west. Virginia a grant of so many millions of dollars to make that happen. If you keep fighting me on the filibuster you will get zero. Jack shits is what you will. Yeah december january right. Isn't that lbj did it. How did johnson mentioned. Those is now biden by the you know what right but but lbj other name floated out there who is trying to emulate well. He's certainly not style wise. Lbj was able to get his bidding done because he played hard ball. How how would have. Johnson handled this job. Johnson learned from fdr that not only. Do you foresee issue you. You make deals you make a make deal. Get the trump style deal. That was nice greasy american. He was not a dealmaker. he was alive. Make empower the citizens of the states. That the senators. You're trying to deal with our from right. Yeah i hear you. I mean think about the the the massive projects that were carried out building bridges and dams. You think i mean those western senators back in the thirties. They secured a hell of a lot of damage. Dan good stuff because fdr wanted new deal. They wanted the projects. Well you know what. And this is a perfect example harvey because you know all the republicans are talking about. Today's oh my god. How much money is he going to spend mitt. Romney said he sounds like a fifteen year old with appearance credit card or some nonsense like that but all of these things that he's talking about will create jobs. They have long tails the every dollar he spends is going to turn into multiple dollars because of jobs created and that i don't think he's driving home hard enough. He needs to get some. Great economists stephanie. Kelton talk about the absolutely absolute- who by the way will be on show next week and tastic. Yup that's great great so we've been exchanging notes about all of this stuff. Yeah she's great. I usually about economists. I never thought. I'd i'd like have a fan girl crush on economists but it is stephanie kelton dean baker and joseph stiglitz. Those are the economists that i listened to and he we need to elevate those voices because they know what they're talking about young economist. Who's currently living in florida for you when he when he's ready to go on radio. He says he's not ready. Ask you book right now. He teaches a new college. Okay or young guy is writing a book and why we need an economic bill of rights. Yeah okay so so. I'm sort of mentoring him on this stuff. And there was mark poll outstanding. Okay i will remember that and He's welcome here when he's ready so harvey. Where do we go from here. What what do you think We can do to make all of the laundry list. The joe biden laid out there last night. Which if he can get enacted will be in on the road that we belong to be that we should be on If if he doesn't we're screwed So where do we go from here. Well basically speaking. I think it's imperative. And i don't know if we should be. I mean there are the numbers of folks will hear. This may not be enough to move the white house but it may well be that we should. We should lead bernie. No we should let others who are progressives know that they may well need to let biden no that they don't want they don't want to veto from overseas going on. They want to support it. But it's not gonna it's gonna take more than negotiating with a couple of senators to make that happen. It's going to take not only negotiating with the of a couple of senators. But they have got to do what bernie knew how to do you know bernie talked about not me us. Yes and that's birdie needs to be reminded of what he spoke of right then bernie needs to start talking to buy yes. Know he's the biden. Whisper let him start saying joe not me people. That's what you need to do. We've got to make you the next. Fdr that's what we should be. We should be communicating as much as we count progressives who may well now have biden's ears. Maybe okay well. It's it's it's it's game plan anyway. It's way to move forward rather than i would have done in the past. Sit back and just bitch and moan and complain. As i did about obama because i thought he was a worthless pursuit he was he was he was he. Thought he was post-racial post-partisan. I'll give me a break every day. He wanted everybody to love him and what happened in the end was nobody did because something else. I'm going mention three groups of people if they feel inclined to seriously consider joining k progressive democrats of america right e. A a executive director is aluminski by the way. If you don't know his father was hyman minsk who was the father of modern monetary theory. Oh interesting yeah. So he's you know he's great. Alan so okay. We'll just see him. Come on your show we have. We have a weird history. I think i told you about. He was radio at kpfk. He was the acting program director there for years because pacific screwed up. They tried to hire me a few years ago problems. They couldn't pay me enough to live in los angeles but allen minsk is like he was not he was not good about it so we never spoke. But that's water under the bridge. It's okay our revolution our revolution the third group. If you're further to the left and i belong to this group democratic socialists of america I may well. I may well join. Pda as well. Because i all the pressure it needs to be brought to bear i. I'm doing what. I can communicate with with legislators state level and otherwise but you know we can only do that. I can only do so much instead. They can only live. Maybe can only listen so much right. But it's it's it's this is an all hands on deck time. We don't have the luxury of of years to get this done. We have right now. And we're looking at november. Twenty twenty two where everything could be upended in. And and we lose our democracy. I mean things are data unless known we spend so much of our time rightly so thinking at the national level. It really is the case that things are happening in the states. Well oh my god. The census this we go on for another hour on the census. I think we need to scrap the census because it was sabotage yes it was sabotaged by the trump administration. They decided to end it early. Because they got sick of counting. I mean really they. Just tell people you and i may. We'll speak before then so if there are things happening and we may hear of great things from various states in the near. Future me okay. It's quite possible is something i can talk about it just yet okay. I'll tell you it on on all right. i'm intrigued. Can you tell us what states we should be looking at. Should keep an eye on the possibility of progressive. Resurgence in wisconsin. Okay the week call of newsom however much however much that the nuisance folks will rally you know the democrats may rally around newsom. It opens up possibilities in the general election. I'll just leave it at that. Okay okay all right well again. The force is the from. The right are trying to undo everything. Good that has been done to this point and they are. You know we're we're we're on the precipice. Were on the. you know. The point the seesaw and it could go either way. That's why it's called the intersection point. There you go see. I don't even know and i'm already talking about in this speech and by the way i'll just finish by saying there were elements in the speech. I thought this is great. That people should hear this. I you know those points. I went might well have given them a in the problem. Is that got to make it. Effective is where he failed to unite. Those who wanted to support him. I would have loved to use the word solidarity one Well let me ask you this. I'm gonna play a thirteen second clip here and and ask you. You asked me to pull this clip and mechanized. This is the one that you asked me to paul. We all know life's caracas down. But in america we never ever ever stay down. America's always get up today. That's what we're doing okay to me. I hear that. And i think trumbull wamba i get knocked down and i get up again. It's all right. Because i think musically but why would i know i know that in its own way right yup was. That's where he could have said but we don't get up on our own Okay we don't get up on her own why we need to do is we need to make the getting up possible and meanings. I mean that he should have every time he says something good he just stops. Yeah well he's not a great orator and given that i mean. I was expecting better speechwriter. That too and i read the whole thing about speechwriter. Gronk lane was not a speech writer. He's realize apparently being joe biden. Speechwriter is the worst job in washington. Because joe biden is very hands on changing things constantly and deviating from the script. I read this. I think in the new york times yesterday so at least you didn't do any bad gaffes last night. that's right. i mean what could have happened. I was expecting the worst. I was expecting him to stumble over his words. I was expecting a bad joe biden speech and actually you know here's my curve again going. The first section of the speech was too long was talking that he was trump. Almost i'm done. This didn't i do now. Harvey j k again find and follow him on twitter at harvey. Jk and read some of his books. Because there's plenty of them and they'll keep you busy as always dot most definitely thank you so much harvey. Jk thanks harvey. Everyone have a great weekend. I'll see you monday all right. Thanks for listening. Thanks for being here. Keep the faith get vaccinated. Come on Since we're here. What i'll do is leave you with the news. And don't forget. I'm in for brad friedman on the broadcast tonight. Have a great weekend. Everyone by it's time for new coal sandler's news from nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices network will begin today in india where the health ministry on thursday reported three hundred seventy nine thousand two hundred fifty seven new corona virus infections. That's just the latest in a continuing series of global single day records set during this devastating second wave of covid nineteen india also confirmed another three thousand six hundred forty five deaths from the virus the most seen in a single day since the pandemic started hospitals have filled up in delhi in started turning away patients and their family members grave diggers and crematorium employees are working around the clock to keep up at the deaths. Continue the biden administration late wednesday outlined a plan to send india one hundred million dollars in aid including oxygen tanks and ninety five masks. Raw materials that india needs to produce more than twenty doses of the astra zeneca vaccine and more globally. There have now been more than one hundred and fifty million reported coronavirus cases in just thirteen months since the pandemic began across the us. More cities are reopening like new york city. Which is prime to lift all restrictions by july. I still experts. Say more people need to get vaccinated in order to maintain safety and that could be a problem. Since new polling reveals about a quarter of american adults say they won't even try to get a shot. Please get vaccinated. Well good news on the economic front. Us growth accelerated in the first quarter of twenty twenty one to an annualized rate of six point four percent. That's a jump from four point. Three percent rate the previous quarter and it brings the nation's gdp almost back to pre pandemic levels. Economists also predict next quarter's growth could reach ten percent storing bolstered by increased interest in shopping traveling and dining out as pandemic restrictions. Slowly taper off. Economists expected the growth rate for twenty twenty one as a whole to be around seven percent. That would be the fastest pace in a calendar year since nineteen eighty-four it's thanks to big federal spending including president biden's one point nine trillion dollar coronavirus relief package which has helped gdp rebound from the plunge at the start of the pandemic faster than it did after the great recession. And then there's this. The wall street journal reporting that the stock market closed out. President biden's burst one hundred days in office on thursday with its best start to a presidential term since the days of franklin delano roosevelt the s. and p. Five hundred has risen eleven percent since january twentieth inauguration the index recorded strongest performance since the start of roosevelt's first term in nineteen. Thirty three one. It's surged eighty percent after the nineteen twenty nine crash by comparison the s. and p. Five hundred rose five point three percent in the first one hundred days of trump's term the supreme court on thursday ruled in favor of an undocumented guatemalan immigrant challenging his deportation by immigration authorities. It was a six three decision debt. This written by justice neal gorsuch backed by an interesting group. That included clarence thomas. Amy coney merit plus steven briar sonia. Sotomayor and elena kagan. Wow of course. It's wrote that. The justice department violated federal law by failing to provide immigrants facing deportation. A clear notice to appear detail. The charges and court date in the case. Gorsuch wrote quote if men must turn square corners when they deal with the government. It cannot be too much to expect the government to turn square corners when it deals with them. All right and other court news derek. Chauvin will be sentenced for the murder of george floyd in june the trial for the three other former minneapolis cops indicted in the killing except for august and now we learned that the four of them could also face federal criminal civil rights charges. And that could happen soon. As next week on thursday lawmakers on capitol hill and advocates who want to overhaul the nation's policing laws had a series of meetings to identify legislation. That can pass both chambers of congress. The families of george floyd eric garner terrence crutcher andrew brown and botham gene. Each of whom were killed by. Police met with senators and white house officials to request meaningful change. Maybe this time something will actually be done well. Florida's republican led legislative session wraps up friday after doing a lot of damage on thursday. They jumped on the voter suppression bandwagon. Passing new rules on voting that black lawmakers said would make it harder for millions of voters especially people of color to cast ballots. The florida measure echoes. What was done in georgia and is being rammed through other state. Legislatures adds rules for voting by mail bars. Anyone from providing food and water to people waiting in line with the excuse that it could influence the people standing in line to vote in a particular way. Wow but florida did more damage. Legislation excluding transgender girls and women from playing on female teams in schools and universities is on the governor's desk you get the idea but as bad as many of the bills passed are the worst of them is house bill. One and two santa's already signed that one into law in a scathing editorial friday morning the miami herald wrote hp one is an insidious law anti-democratic and un-american an edict. Some crat might have cooked up aimed at clamping down on social justice demonstrations. The bill increases penalties for crimes committed during protests and also allows even peaceful protesters and uninvolved standards to be swept up and hauled in by police during protests where violence might occur it even shields from civil liability anyone who might drive their cars into protesters walking in the street. Thankfully some civil rights lawyers have already filed a lawsuit challenging outlaw. the miami herald stated quote. This lawsuit is one of the best things to come out to be mean spirited legislative session that has resulted in few things to cheer and while we're on the subject of florida things continue to worsen for florida man matt gaetz. The latest shoe dropped thursday. When the daily beast reported the existence of a confession letter written by gates friend and cohort joel greenberg. He's the former seminole county florida tax collector. Who's currently facing a thirty three. Count indictment on charges ranging from stalking to sex trafficking. The letter which existence several drafts asked roger stone to help greenberg secure a pardon from the then president. Obviously the pardon never happened but greenberg. Detailed in his letter his relationship with gates he admitted that he facilitated gates interactions with college students and paying young women for sex on his behalf and he claimed that he gates and others had sex with a minor. They believed to be nineteen at the time. She was seventeen congressman. Ted lieu publicly asked republican leader kevin mccarthy to remove gates from the house judiciary committee immediately pointing out that. The committee has jurisdiction over the justice. Department that is investigating gates including allegedly for sex crimes with a minor lou. Calling it an untenable conflict of interest and finally as we mark the passage of the first one hundred days of the biden administration number forty six and the first lady paid a visit to number thirty. Nine jimmy carter and former first lady. Rosalynn carter in plains. Georgia biden driving home that he understands that his ability to get legislation passed in the senate is only possible. Thanks to the election of democratic senators. Jon ossoff and raphael warnock in georgia and told reporters. They are quote. we always special. Thanks to the people of georgia. Because of you the rest of america was able to get help if you ever wonder if elections make a difference. Just remember what you did here in georgia. You changed america and that's just a bit of what's news for now. Nicole sandler if you appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. And i can't do it without your help. Find out more. Nicole sandler dot com and please click on that donate button.

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20200617 Nicole Sandler Show - Touching the Jaguar with John Perkins

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20200617 Nicole Sandler Show - Touching the Jaguar with John Perkins

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. Your discretion is advised. She's got the news. She talks with newsmakers. She encourages us to laugh and she cries with US speaking truth to power and Questioning Authority daily. It's Linda Ecole Sandler show. All Right? It's a Wednesday welcome to it I'm Nicole Sandler coming to you live from Nicole. Sandler Dot Com on the progressive voices network on Youtube on Facebook, live and I. Think Net roots, radio and FYI nation and a whole bunch of other places so wherever you're hearing us. Thank you for listening. Let me know. Let me know how you listen. Because I like to know where you are I do my best to try to keep up with the the the youtube chat room and the chat room at Nicole. Sandler Com listen live page but. As I tried to explain to someone earlier. I'm not only the host, but I'm the producer and the engineer of the program as well so when things get a you know a bit crazy. It's because I. Try to do too much multitasking all at once. It's an interesting day today we have a fabulous guest that was a morphing between fantastic and fabulous I wasn't sure which way I was going until it came out but John Son's. You may recall. He's the guy who back in. More than a decade ago wrote confessions of an economic hit man. And a books along those lines I I interviewed him back in twenty ten, when his book hoodwinked came out, and again in two thousand sixteen during the election season when he released the the new confessions of an economic meant regardless, this man is fascinating. Every time I've ever spoken to him. I've I've lived with those interviews? Because I learned so much. I just find him fascinating so today. Just so you know. We recorded this interview a few hours ago because when we booked it, we booked it today because his his new book was released yesterday. Tuesday is the day that books come out. It's called touching the Jaguar transforming fear into action to change your life around the world so when we booked it I wasn't sure what time the program was going to. To be if we would have already completed the move to five PM, or if we were still going to be on it three, so I said you know what I don't WanNa. Take the chance of losing him right around the publication date. Let's just set it up for twelve thirty and we'll. We'll tape it, so that's what we did. so I already know what the interview is and I think you're gonNA like it. I hope you stick around for it because again. There's a lot there a lot to digest and it and it. It deals with what we're going through right now. You know I like to start the show with a bit funny I've got some news to get to. And we gotta get into the The the John Perkins interview early because it's kind of lengthy. appreciate. Let's just go right to the funny, and then we'll get into the news in. Yes, there is some breaking news today, but we do have a good funny for you. If you're new to the show I like to start with something humorous, because things tend to get pretty serious and I. I think laughter is necessary for the soul, so we try to start off with something to make you. You laugh before we get into the serious shit all right so today it's are prolific friends once again. founders sing. That's the that's the the name of their their youtube channel, and the name of this group I. Don't know much more about them. Other than their founders sing and this time they they stick it to trump by way of billy Joel all right here. We go founder sing. On Ecole Sandler show. Pollution hoax has been brought to its knees. We have. This? Trial said. Drew. Fan Flames. Brown. Race. Appetizers treat his show kids to. Every. Talk Laying. Tries to. Head love! This all. Grace pollinate just. That's. So We ran. For Five Six da turned loft because they're so far. Grin Jackson Law wrap around. Here my rectum speak shot off the dribble she. Doesn't. Hey! Precious lives. Peers in the cab still. Tread. Gandak. Ear Drums. A mile. That Dream. News around. This all right lanes. Play. Sticking to his master. Five US. was say. They won't be. Until we. Farewell. Tread. Hot. Voting. This whole. ADWARE worth says. Lights L.. There won't be long until we all. There won't be long till we all. Belong to Allah? Their well far right? Yes! They are founders thing. You can find them on Youtube. They do amazing song parodies in that one They just came out with last night. They're very prolific and just so you know. Yes, I did. Send them an email asking them to come on the show because we love their song parodies, so we'll see all right so now that that's done very quickly very quickly. Let's get into a little bit of News, Shall We? A Boy and there is breaking news to be had I relegated Bill O'Reilly to the to the parking lot today. Breaking news just a little while ago, the Fulton County District Attorney Fulton County Georgia that's Atlanta. announced a total of eleven charges against Garrett Ralph at a news conference in downtown Atlanta. Garrett Ralph is the former Atlanta Cop who shot ratio Brooks twice in the back killing him. Now been charged that former cop eleven charges College The the Da Paul Howard. Announced the charges against Garrett Roaf calling Ray Chard, Brooks killing unjustified and finding that brooks posed no threat to roles life instrument. His colleague remembered. There was a second cop on the scene. His name is Devin Brosnan. He too, was charged him with aggravated assault. Brosnan though will become a cooperating witness for the state making him one of the first Atlanta. Police officers ever to testify against a fellow officer. In such a case. The eleven charges I'm trying to remember because they're not delineated here in this article that I have, but they include felony murder assault, Africa, aggravate aggravated assault, and obviously a number of other charges and. Oh, my God! It's as if the whole thing wasn't horrific enough the There's a photo of this former COP. The one who pulled the trigger whose name is Garrett Rolf. After he shot Rashard, Brooks and and Mr Brooks has lying on the ground either. Bleeding, profusely or already dead? This piece of shit former cop kicked him Kit Tim. There's a picture there's video felony murder. Thank you, Carney, verdy! Kicked him. And for that action him kicking this man while he's down. There there were more charges that could bring like another twenty five to forty years or something for the four kicking him when he was after he was already shot. So of course the police union is all apoplectic Oh the away with the with due process and the rule of law. No, they're finally finally. Using due process on cops because cops are no longer above the law. So, that happened today. Baby steps, but they're big baby steps almost like a first step if you know what I mean. Okay the other story that's burning up the TV's and while the front page of the New York Times has to do with John Bolton's book John. Bolton's book is set to be released this coming Tuesday as you know, it's called the room where it happened and John Bolton what a piece of shit is he because he was still in his job as What national security adviser when all this stuff that he wrote about was going on, and he held out instead of going before Congress to testify instead of blowing the whistle, he held offer a paycheck with a book. Are, you kidding me so just the first revelations that we're learning about our astounding. On okay, let me going to look at a summary here. Here's a few with the things that we've learned. Because the New York Times got an advanced copy, and there's a front page story about Some of the allegations made by John Bolton. In this book that despite trump's lawsuits with in stores on Tuesday, now I hate this because I. Certainly don't want to put any money on John Bolton's pocket. Because I think what he did really sucks. It's really shitty. That this man was. was guilty of criminal acts while occupying the Oval Office and he let it go. He didn't do his job as a citizen to to alert authorities now one of the allegations is that he told Bill. Bar So here. let me Okay Bolton says he reported cases of trump's potential abuses of power to Attorney General Bill Bar. But, of course, it's not clear. If anything came of these reports, we also learned what that. Bolton confirms that trump's infamous Ukraine phone call was A-, had an explicit quid pro quo that it was explicit. He says that similar incidents occurred with Turkey and China. Yes and and that that trump tried to get China. Help him win. re-election on Bolton wrote that quote. The president overtly linked policy to his own political fortunes, as he asked Chinese president she to buy a lot of American agricultural products to help him win farm states in this year's election. I'm. Trump, he writes, was quote pleading with G to ensure he'd win. He stressed the importance of farmers and increase Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome lovely. trump reportedly according to John Bolton did not know that Britain is a nuclear power. Trump also reportedly reportedly asked if Finland is part of Russia. Now, the report doesn't say who trump asked. But. Is Finland part of Russia and. And there's more secretary of State Mike. pompeo reportedly dismissed trump's overtures to North Carolina as useless, and here's this little tidbit during trump's twenty and eighteen meeting with North Korea's leader, according to the book. Secretary of State Mike pompeo slipped John Bolton a note disparaging the president. Saying quote, he is so full of Shit. A month later Bolton writes that Mr Pompeo dismissed the president's North Korea diplomacy declaring there was quote zero probability of success. These people are all creepy. They all need to go to jail. And and hopefully they all follow trump you know. Behind bars unbelievable. Just the whole thing is just stunning, so that book comes out this coming Tuesday and it really sucks that this one is like at the top of the bestseller list because I'll tell you something to. Books were released yesterday one. We spoke to the author Don Siegelman on Monday if you haven't heard that interview, it's in the archives. Go listen because you must, and the second is. The book will be discussing and just a couple of minutes with John Perkins. You remember him. He's the economic hit man who gave his confessions while now he's writing about touching the Jaguar, so we're GonNa take a very quick break for progressive voices and come back on the other side with John Perkins. Don't go away. It's Nicole. Sandler show on the progressive voices network. Hopefully there in spots while that's playing, I'm GONNA. I'M GONNA, share with you. The rest of US a couple of very quick commercials. They're not paid commercials, but these are the two newest ads that were put up by the Lincoln Project. You know them that's that's Kellyanne. Conway's husband George and Wreck Wilson and a bunch of never trumpers that. Don't forget. We can't trust them. As far as we can throw them, but we'll take their ads. We'll certainly take their ads against Donald. Trump the first one. You may have already seen this. One I think was released yesterday. And it's called. Trump is not well. 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Are these ads on TV or just the Internet I know for instance, the Donald Trump is not well ran on Fox and it ran I in DC, so you know Donnie probably sought so yes, hopefully, they are running on the air all right. Let's get to it because the interview with with John Perkins is rather lengthy so with no further ado enjoy. Here. We go I'm really excited to speak with our next guest today I. I spoke with John Perkins about ten years ago when the book hoodwinked had just been released John. Perkins is a most unique individual. He's the author of ten books and the new one while the new one is is different from the others he's best known for the Classic Confessions of an economic hit man in which John Perkins explains his role as a former chief economist at a major consulting firm, an advisor to the World Bank the UN fortune, five hundred companies, and all that and well. We'll get into a little bit of. Of that, but the brand new book out yesterday officially congratulations is called touching the Jaguar, and it really tells the story of the other side of John. Perkins the activists, the Shaman and his transformation from I. Guess One to the other John on your blog at John, Perkins Dot Org wrote a post yesterday on the occasion of the release of the new book and I love what you asked you wrote. During this time of a virus pandemic climate client at climatic cataclysms, racial tensions, species, extinctions, terrorism political of people's and countless other crises. We ask ourselves. What can we do? What can I each one of us do? That's a question that I ask regularly, and you say that touching the Jaguar answers that question, does it. Yes absolutely, that's why I wrote the book well course at the time called I wrote the book I had no idea that we're gonNA have a pandemic. The racial unrest we having in this country, and and the around police brutality in white privilege etc, but I did know that we were experiencing once in one hundred year events era. And So the book really it. The themes in the book I think maybe the basic famous that we change reality as human beings by changing perceptions are all of our realities molded by our perceptions, and another famous leave us perceptions to create situation which I call a death economy, and all the things you just mentioned are symptoms of that death economy, and another thing is that we need to turn that death economy into a life economy and economy that work for us and finally that every. Every one of your listeners, every one of the readers has a role to play in this and I go into the book You know a little process that we can each go and ask ourselves five basic questions every day, and those and guide us every day that through a process that'll take us into actually participating and making the world better for us as individuals, and for and for the the world is a whole, or or or whatever state of the world we want to. Address and I want to get into all of that with you because this is so important, and what perfect timing to release a book like this, but I think in order to get there. We need to learn a little bit about how you got there and you know again. We've spoken a couple of times over the past decade and I. Thank you for that. I've thoroughly. Thoroughly, loved reading your books, and and speaking with you and I was so excited to get this one and already, and I'm maybe about halfway through first of all, this needs to be made into a movie because it is that there's it's an adventure, and it's a journey in so many different respects, but I was surprised to learn that you you started. Started you to avoid the draft. I'm guessing you joined the peace, corps and you wound up. I GONNA. Ask you to tell this, because obviously you can tell a better than I can. I'm going through this sort of spiritual awakening where you learned about touching the Jaguar and and one line that I took out, and I highlighted the powers of perceptions to reality. Reality Your experience with a Shaman early on or I guess maybe a year or so into your journey into your time with the Peace Corps you got very sick, and and you were healed by the Shaman was the perceptions that you got from this experience that changed your outlook that you say made you healthy changed everything for you That was the the EXPERIENCING US! It totally changed my life Meka. So, it was nineteen, sixty, nine and deep in the Amazon rainforest. As you said a peace. Corps volunteer was living with Schwab Schwab territory at. Hunter Gatherer tribe. And I I was so sick I. I couldn't stand up without help I was dying and couldn't keep any food. There's no question I was dying, and it's three days of a very difficult hike through dense jungle, and then a a long ride in a rickety old bus up a curve, terrible dirt road to way high up into the Andes mountains around. Here to the nearest medical facility, no way so the Shaman and I'd never even heard of a Shaman, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, nine, graduated from business, go office, the humane, and and and he did, and what happened was that night he took me on classic Shamanic Journey. What we might call a vision quest I'm in this altered state and I see in front of me. This amorphous form and Shannon yells touched the Jaguar and I look around like you know I'm deep in the middle of the jungle is less Jaguars out there looking for when he says no, no, no, no, no clues varieties seat the Jaguars and your vision touch it. And so that Amorphous shape shifted into a Jaguar and and I heard a voice, saying the food and drink will kill. You like my mother speaking. Realized you know I have a free. You know three hundred years of and Yankees in New England and we ate very bland foods. Suddenly I'm meeting eating things like squirming white grubs alive. Delicacy for these people and drinking something called Cheetah, which is a beer made by the women chewing manioc root, and spitting it. It's premeditation process, and then add water to. It was purified that they know that you can't drink river water, because it's too much organic matter. It's dangerous, so they doing allow the spirit. Because you gotTA to Rehydrate? I realize on that semantic journey that every time I drank beer, eight, screaming white grubs, or the other foods and you're mentioned. This voice was saying it'll kill you write. It gave me a perception and I also realized at the same time. How incredibly healthy and vital and robust the Schwab. And many lifted. Be Very old. They're not killed in a hunting accident or or something like that. And so that night I saw that it wasn't the food and drink there were killing me was my mindset might perception? And after that I, I was healthy, and the the Shaman then required that I become his apprentice as payment for what he'd done. They didn't have money. They had no currency. It was a barter economy. And I had no interest at business school graduate, nineteen, sixty, nine, never hurt chomping at zone, there was no future. But he said you know. You teaching me. He said he got a touch. The Jaguar and incidentally. I'm all. That he said you know. This a Jaguar out there. That keeps you from from understanding what you need to understand in this case, the food and drink. We're not killing. They were local organic nutritious foods, actually strange as they seem, they were they were healthy, and he said you know so. The Jaguar represents our fears of change. Our fears are the barriers of hold us back from doing what we know we need to do, but also and if you if you run for that, Jaguar, if you don't touch it, it follows you. It stays with you, but if you go into a Chit, it changes your life. It gives you the the. The energy, the courage, perhaps the patients whatever you need to change, and any really described us as as like you cut one reality. This case spit beer growing grubs. There's a bridge what he call it perception, bridge. That if you if that bridge is built on the idea that the food and drink is killing you, you go to a new reality, which is sickness, but if you. This Jaguar that bridge when you try. That drager keeps holding you back in that all mindset, but if you touch the Jaguar it says no, the food and drink is making them healthy. Therefore, it must make you healthy menu. You Cross bridge into a new reality, which is good health, and every one of us whether you're a radio host like you or writer like me or a carpenter or a plumber teacher apparent wherever you are, you can apply this to your daily life, and so you know the. The subtitle of touching the Jaguars transforming fear into action to change your life in the world, and that's what the book is about is how each one of us can change our life in at the time have a big impact on change of the reality of this death academy that's created Corona virus. That's created all these other crisis. It's it's crazy and what we're living through now it just seems. Like A- every bad thing that could possibly happen is coming together at once, so we are living through. This might be once in one hundred year. Thing where we're bombarded by all these disasters at once, but. John Perkins South that my my my surprise in reading, this was that after this amazing awakening in the Amazon back in nineteen sixty nine. You still you had been a business school graduate. You were An economist at you went back to that world and you became what now we know as an economic hit man Didn't that sort of conflict with what you had learned during your time in the jungle. Well at the beginning a again, it's all about perception. I my job as an economic kidnaps, chief economists major consulting firm, but my job was to identify countries with resources at corporations want like oil. Sloan to the country, did with us to pay out corporations that made big profits out of building, big infrastructure projects like power plants and highways. Parks in the country and business school at top me that that's how you increase prosperity for the whole country, and in fact you can show statistically that when you make these investments, the GDP groves and south, and and that's an impression we have. That's the perception, but I believed it from for a number of years I thought I was doing the right thing, but then I began to see that GDP's false measure it measures. imagines as the prosperity of the few wealthy people in the country. Not Measure over our prosperity. If you look at the United States, which is which is typical, actually what we know now that three individuals that had as much wealth as half the US population. Is. Those three individuals made a ten percent. Return on their investment last year, and half the country lost three three percent. You'd still short growth in GDP of around five percent or a little less, and so I began to see that these statistics are not a not a measure of overall prosperity, their measure of prosperity of big business, and the rich, and that's when I you know I've had that job as economic hitman for ten years and. It was. It took me time to realize. That, that it was a deceptive situation once it was, it was a perception that was molding, a rea- that molded us into a reality of making these huge investments and putting these countries that tremendous debt, then actually enslave them to us in a way. Force them to give up their resources at cut rate prices to to privatized. The companies schools, maybe the prisons and sell them off to our investors at cheap prices to to force us to force them to allow us to build military bases and. Went on and on, and on was really a form of colonialism, but took the. Sorry about that my phone. And so, so you realized going through this at first. You were told that this is to help these. These These countries that were still I'm using I'm trying to grasping for the words primitive, perhaps to to learn how to go into the world community, and make money and capitalize on their natural resources in essence. What you were doing was getting them into deals that there's no way they could afford to pay off, so they'd be indebted to the United States in the big companies that came in there to sort of steel, the the resources a from their land is is that. Is that a way to put it? Right in a sound so. Nicole. The CIA or somebody's on that phone. Off Your you know knows. That if that's true, then that proves that they they were saying important vase here because they don't. They don't do that unless. Things here that. Yeah! I mean that's that. that-that's essentially in in a way. My job was easy, because these presidents also knew that if they didn't buy into the deal that I was offering that people, we call the jackals who usually see assets that's come in and overthrow them, or perhaps assassinate them, and you know unfortunately. The United States has a long history of this. With a day of Chili and Harbin's of water mile and most of the deck of Iran Lumumba of the Congo and the end of the recently as ally of Honduras, so you know in a way I. Can say these prisoners, Hey, in this hand Mr President I can make you rich. Here's right out of money. In you can you and your family and your friends are going to get rich off least infrastructure. We're going to bill or if you don't take it in the Santa got a gun. I didn't actually. Moist. People behind me that had guns. If the president accept these things or they had airplanes that would crash. Exactly well, that's the smoking gun to and you know it a private plane like what killed. Two of my clients I mean Dawson Torrijos of Ecuador and Panama. Who did not play the game? who had great integrity didn't want to put their countries in this position. They both died in private plane crashes within less than three months of each other. And you know thing about a plane crashes. The smoking gun goes up in smoke. Yes, that's true. That's true, so you. You went back after you. You left the Amazon. You left the Peace Corps. You came back to the US. You got you used your degree. You became the chief economist of this big consulting firm. You were an economic hit man that by the way that wasn't was that a term that anybody else used, or is that something? You came up with to describe what you were doing. We we used. It's none of us tongue in cheek, kind of like you know. The word Spook, and they laugh Jeez I'm just. I'm just a smooth out there, but it's not on Your Business Card my business, chief, economist, economist and Advisor to the World Bank and the UN and fortune five hundred companies. I mean you were in that world, but then you also had a foot in the Amazon with these people that you met who who? Did Not have the privilege of growing up and having clean, running water and things like that so I mean you were living like two separate lives. You wound up going back to the Amazon and that's when you decided that you were not gonNA. Do this economic hit job anymore? Correct. You know what I discovered and the book the touching the Jaguar. It's it tells a lot of I think very interesting funds stories its narrative nonfiction. These are all true stories, but I right so that people can enjoy the read, but in the end it's it also provides the system that. We can do every day and. This is what I applied to apply to myself Based on five questions. Should we go into the? Please do let's do it so so the first question is. What do I most wanted to do for the rest of my life would bring me the greatest joy, the greatest satisfaction and I could answer that by saying. I WANNA write I'm a writer I love I always love to write. I don't really want to continue doing this heavy corporate. Economic Hip and stuff. I want to be a writer now. If you happen to be a carpenter, you'd say. I WANNA work with I'm using these two examples because kind of opposite ends here and anybody can I these five questions. What will bring me the greatest joy? The second question is. How do I apply that in a way that will help somebody else. The somebody else could be one person or the world, and for me would be I. Tell Stories in in to inspire people to transform death economy into a life economy, and for the competent would be I wanNA use sustainable materials. The third question is what's keeping me from doing that. What's holding me back? What does this Jaguar at a standard saying? You can't do that well for writer. It might be I. Just don't have enough time to do the writing, and for the carpenter might be well. My clients don't WanNa. Pay More for sustainable materials, so the fourth question. How do I touch that? Jaguar, how do we change the perception for the writer? It might be well. Get up a half an hour earlier or watch an hour less television every night and put it in writing for the carpenter that says hey tell your clients. They the added price is not a cost. It's an investment in the future. When you use to stay on materials client, you're investing in your future in your children's future in this so and then the fifth question is what actions to take for a writer to right every day more or less every day. The carbon has to go out there and he doesn't have to be real eloquent. He just has to hey look. I'm using all these materials that are really going to help future. Your family. So you know, and and and and as it sets up a practice that we can do every day for less than ten minutes. Maybe it's only once a week. Whatever we want, but so I apply that to myself and I realize that as an economic hit man I was not happy. I was supposedly living the American dream getting well paid traveling first class around world, wining and dining and fine restaurants presidents. and. I was measurable in the end. I I didn't like what I was doing. And and you know so. I applied these five questions and so I. I became a writer written ten books and I love it I. Love What I love. When I do now and and I think that's thing to get across to people that the corona virus and all we're going through is giving us the opportunity to really look at. Why do I WANNA? Do with my life. How can I turn that into something that will help other people. What's holding me back? How do I change the perception? That's holding me back. The voices says you're not good enough united enough. You're not from the right. Class or whatever. And and then what actions take every day right so this I mean again I'm struck by the polar opposites seemingly of these two sides, of your. Life John Perkins on the one hand this fortune, five hundred, a economic expert, who who helped not only a newly developing nations. Grow their economy, but also get them into a subservient position as it were to the developed world so again big business, but you doing things that that may be your conscience doesn't necessarily feel good about, and then on the other hand is very spiritual awakening this experience in the in the jungle, and touching the Jaguar and being. At Knowing what's happening and being aware of your life? That do you find a weird? Disconnect there or do they feed off each other? The totally feed off each other so I read five books on indigenous peoples, shamanism shape, shifting the rose as you dream navigation and four books on global economics like. Economic Hitman and Hoodwink. And now, but you know people are used as I speak it big, international economic forums, which a lot of those and people would say to get. The same guy wrote those books. And I would speak at. Events are age as people say. You're not that awful, guy. Right and I would, but I always understood those total connection. Because shamanism. Teaches us that that are reality is molded by perceptions sodas, modern psychology quantum physics business is all based on that advertising marketing is based on selling perception that then creates a reality and else realized that we've created this death economy, which is which is destroying us. It's it. It's based on a short term goal of maximising short-term profits regardless of the social. Cost and it's it. It has led over the past some big big successes in science and medicine arts, and so on, but has come to. It needs to come to an end. It's destroying us now, and and it's all based on that perception and all we gotta do is turn that perception around and say the goal of business is to maximize long term benefits for people and nature pay investors returns to invest in things that. Clean up pollution that regenerate destroyed environments that recycle that the create new technologies that are regenerative and not destructive use the air and sun, and and and more effectively to create energy, and so on, and so forth the so many things, Nicole that we can do to invest in that make an economic, and incidentally we really begun. That would be corporations benefit corporations conscious capitalism. The green new deal on this is happening is a conscious revolution in the world, and whenever there's a revolution, the a pushback, the people who represent the status quo got most of the. The money and the power trying to stop, but if we agents of change take take energy from that and realize that they're doing that because they're afraid of us, they see we're being successful. We take energy from that and we move forward, and we create the change that we all know we must have right and another thing that I'm taking from the book again. The new book touching the Jaguar transforming fear into action to change your life in the world is nothing is it's not as simple as black and white. You mentioned the the the. Hardship that you went through to come to this revelation as it were one. You've got deathly ill you're you were? You were so sick and then I? I'm sort of fixated on the I WASPA- thing because it keeps coming up for me. I've suffered from depression, my whole life and a dear friend of mine who happens to be? My attorney told me what changed. His life was a Iowa. I went to I. I thought lung cancer about four years ago and after surgery and everything I came through it, and a friend invited me down to Mexico on retreat, where I met a shaman named after Lino. and You know an and I didn't partake in a ceremony there, but that's one of the things that they did. You said that that experience also made you sick after you vomited and he got got really uncomfortable from. It is when you had these visions, and you realize that's when you saw the Jaguars the first time and you saw that it was your perception about the food and the drink that was probably making you sick. Do you think you need a little bit of adversity to find the light outside of it? I mean to the two go hand in hand like sort of each side view feeds off the other. Well yes, and he was really. I think two questions there. One is about Iowa Nebraska and the. When's about diversity? You know the the DOC is. When does a shadow and I think we're being exposed with very big shadow right now that the corona viruses is exposing a big shadow in the way that we operate everything, and so is is all the knowledge of the terrible discrimination, white supremist, premacy of police, brutality, and so racist, and and there's a big shadow, and how do you get rid of a shadow? You shine a light on the cause of the shadow, but sometimes shallow has to get pretty big in order for you to really see now saying it, so it's time to shine a light on. On them, and and and the cause of the shadow of an all these cases is the death economy this idea that we have to maximize short term profits, regardless of the social and environmental cost gives CEO's that that that the mandate to do to destroy the environment that's what takes him to help the short-term profits or exploited people. Whatever so so yeah, is that that that that that pushes us in the throughout history we've seen some of the greatest movements have come from times of adversity that huge revolutions, whether the physical revolutions like the American revolution or or Revolutions, like the age of enlightenment reformation, and so on, and so forth they come out of adversity often, and we're we're. We're in that stage now as to Iowa, ask it, yes. I was trained as an as an Iowa Oscar. Shaman. I know the plant well. and it opened the door, but it's just one portal. You know this five question process one of the reasons I wrote touching the Jaguar instant gift people a portal into how they change. You don't need Iowa. In fact, I'm concerned today. That Iowa ask is being looked at as the silver bullet. The other day. Somebody said to me I've taken Iowa. Get Twenty Times this year. How many times have you not John? I said well the last time I took. It was ten years ago and I'm still processing what I learned Matt Experience, and so if we just keep taking that plan as people are doing looking for some sort of a high, that's not it. It's it's about doing the work is about taking daily actions which come out in this five step process that outlined in the book, the daily daily practice you know the so many ways to open that portal meditation Yoga Drumming Chantey Just, asking yourself these questions and the and the and the plant. The the. Plant is is away, but I fear that today is becoming a little bit to socialize. Trendy maybe. Back four years ago when I was into loom, I had never heard of it before and I'm thinking what is and then I kept hearing about it in other places and I. It's like okay. This is the thing and then I. Read Your Story. It's like okay. Maybe one of these days I'm going to try, but but I was also impressed that another the second Shaman I guess that you met that you studied with when you told of your first experience said I could have healed you without the plant. And that's what you're saying. And throughout the world, the majority of Shamans that and very powerful ones, you're not these plants, the Mayans and we I take the people of Central America every year in January you. People can go to John. Perkins Dot Oregon, one of the troops, but the Mayans don't don't use the plant they they T- traditionally anyway. they use fire ceremonies and I obviously this last year I had a person that went on a trip to the Amazon and with man took Iowa there and then. Eight six months later went on a trip to the Maya with the end of the fire, and he said after the whole group, he said the fire ceremony was a lot more powerful. And more or more lasting, so and I'm not knocking the planet it it it can be, it can be amazing, but it shouldn't be misused, and it shouldn't be considered to be a silver bullet, or the only the only avenue to open these portals at all. It is not the right. One of many Gotcha so John Perkins again is with us I'm intrigued by everything you say I'm I'm I'm a big fan of yours and kids couldn't tell but the you. You mentioned something about adversity, and when things get bad enough I remember, and in fact, you and I spoke in two thousand sixteen. We talked a bit about Bernie Sanders. If I recall correctly, and I remember when you know, it came down. Down to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and there were people saying you know. Maybe we just need. Donald trump may be things. We need to hit rock bottom. Things need to get so bad so they can get better again. I think a couple of things we've learned is there is no bottom? Donald Trump has taken us to the basement and we learned. There's three sub cellars below that when you hit that. It goes even further. I mean when we were kid. We used to joke about digging all the way to China. This is what. We have with Donald Trump. There is no bottom there, so I think that was flawed. Reasoning I. It's Never GonNa. Get so bad. It's never never hit rock bottom because there's always lower depth to plum but this does give us a great opportunity to come together and say we need to make sure nothing like ever happens again i. think between that and the corona virus and the. Global protests against racism that we're seeing that grew out of the killing of George Floyd by the police. I feel like we're having this group. Think that for for the first time ever that I can recall was. All around the world, people are experiencing the same thing. We were all quarantining together. Many of us most of us still are or should be and dealing with. Donald Trump's craziness and dealing with racism in I, it's. Do, you know as are. Do you buy into the whole thing of like group? Energy that we're all coming together experiencing the same thing that there's some something they are in the cosmos. Totally so so all of these things including Donald Trump. Have have had. What showing us the. Shadow. And as I said before you know, the shadow has to be created by something. Solid it Don Donald Trump and and the corona virus and. Racial discrimination. Being exposed the way it has is being exposed. These are solid things that are casting the shadow, and we're seeing the shadow, and and again to get rid of a shadow whether you gotta do you you. You shine light on that which is causing, but you move the light up higher and higher over the head, and when you really get that, get that go to that new level of consciousness, which is shining the light from directly above there is no more shadow, and and and we're moving in that direction. I have no doubt. One in one hundred year events that have been happening. We look at them as local. So if I survived a hurricane I said well. My Gosh, you know The outside world is GONNA come to my house soon. I'M GONNA get wattle water food, and then we're going to return to the old normal, not if we're order RICA. Yeah, but no, but we look at a Puerto, Rican problem or before right or And but the Corona Virus and the discrimination enlightenment if you will, has caused a global thing, so there is no outside world come to our rescue. We know we ought to that. We can't return to normal. You know that they've seen stars in at night over Shanghai and Beijing and Los Angeles. We've been. We've been shown. We've been shown although we all fear change. We've had to make huge changes in the last few months. You know you. It rose wearing masks and. Hopefully. Isolating and we're doing a lot more I was supposed to take a major book tour including two down where you are in south Florida need. You know I'm not going to the bookstores anymore, but we're going to do it virtually. Up they reach a lot. More people that way the way that you are you know and and and what you're doing is so so very important. Call and this corona virus is probably giving that boost. You're probably getting a bigger audience you've you. You've obviously had a lot of Jaguars in your life. You mentioned your your health problems and the depression issues those big Jaguars, but you touch them you've you've you've gone out and you're taking the actions to turn things around? So you know, yes, we when the shadows hit. When adversity hits, it gives us the opportunity to rise to new levels of understanding to touch. Touch the Jaguar and realize that we must transform our fear and you often. It's just almost always. It's a fear of change in into action to change our life and the world, and I think people are really beginning to get that more than they ever have before, and and the idea that we mustn't return to the old, nor we create a new normal. We don't return to the death economy. We created life economy, which is going to make life better for everybody. Incidentally, it's not gonNA to be living in Kay's. We're going to be living better if we really carry through on this and say that the goal. Everybody is to create long term. Benefits maximize long-term benefits for all people and nature. It sounds. Too good to be true, but that's that's where we are I. Think I. Think so. Many of us are ready for that step and you know we're looking for tools to get there. you Don Perkins. I have noticed you know. If you find you on on Youtube and stuff, you do everything I mean you've done ted talks and stuff, but you also lead Bene- -tations with a Shaker. Stick you you you you. You're working with people, and and you mentioned you do take these trips so I'm. I'm looking on purpose dot org and I see you're supposed to be in Seattle tonight on the book tour. Of course, the book was just officially released yesterday, so you would be there as San Francisco Miami but then you have a if I scroll down a little further a couple of workshops coming up including a journey to the lands of the Maya. That is scheduled for January of Twenty Twenty one. So what happens there? You take people on the journey that you went through. Well the the. The whole time we're, we're we're. We're with a couple of the Mayan Shamans. The manacle Tatas that women are called non is, and we have both and. They're with us the whole time and they do healings on people talk about the prophecy of two thousand, twelve, twenty, twelve, which is a you know, very. Optimistic Prophecy not at all. What Hollywood portrayed it as I write about that in the book, the details are there, but the Shamans. Talk about about that they take us through many fire ceremonies, which are so powerful they do personal feelings on people and calendar readings in seed readings. It's an amazing experience to be with these people and the Maya you know is a microcosm of of the world macrocosm today back nine hundred it back in the year around the year, nine hundred and civilization that had been growing for three thousand years, and building these huge pyramids, and these amazing cities came to an end. and. It came to an end because they destroyed their environment and building these cities they drain the swamps cut the trees change the climate, so they went through exactly what we went through, and unfortunately many of them just went back into the forest, or up into the mountains, and they continued their practices. They did not continue to build these cities not continue to have this ruling class. That was so. Autocratic so dictatorial. Ruling over them that they ended and which we probably need to do to, but they also ended this you, you know this this insane, constant growth of huge cities, and but they continued their shamanic traditions in their calendars in a healing systems, and that's what we we practiced with them. When we're there, it's it's magnificent night. Yeah! I encourage people to go to John. Perkins Out Oil Oregon. Come I. Like Take Fifteen people. And sign up conjectured. Get Gas the virus. We haven't gotten a vaccine or something in the future. If the on this trip gets canceled, you get your money back, but but I expect a trip to go. We have canceled two trips to the Amazon one this coming. August and one on October. Because we don't want for one thing, we don't want to endanger the local people. They are the my the my a little less susceptible because they've been out in the world more, they're more like us, but still susceptible and I don't know I. think that journey will happen in January but encourage people to sign up. If it doesn't happen, they've lost nothing. It sounds amazing, and it definitely visit John Perkins. Dot Org because there's a lot there and read the book touching the Jaguar transforming fear into action to change your life in the world. It is fascinating and I wasn't just you know blowing smoke when I said this should be a movie. It really said, but but that's the way you right as well so You can see the movie when you read the book I I highly recommend it like a cinema only about halfway through and I do note that at the end. The five questions you ask you, you give some practical. advice not advice, but exercises things that we can do to answer those questions for ourselves. You ask the questions and you show us how to do it. Does it. It offers you your daily practice, but you don't do it every day, and it's less than ten minutes, and and the last three questions you know will change over time. That's all the questions. The answers may change, but especially the last thing which is what's holding me back from doing what I most Wanadoo. And what's What's. In what you know. How do I in the in the in the? Third one the fourth one is. How do I change my perceptions to move forward and then the last one? What actions do I take every day? Those may change the NFC each time we answer these questions and change we move to a higher level of conscious just us, and then we get. We get to ask the questions again about the new processes that were that were in, and so it is a powerful experience that we can keep doing in an an and redoing the actions we take every day can be as simple as sending a tweet or as complex as running for president. Okay or advocating for someone else or a great candidate again, the powers of perception to change reality I find fascinating because I had this sort not a mantra, but something in my head. I used to always say perception is reality, but I like your take on better. The powers of perception can change reality. If you think about Nicole does no United States. There's no Russia. There's no religion. There's no culture. There's no corporations economy, except as we perceive it those things, and when enough people accept a perception or codified into law, it has a huge impact on reality and to change reality. All we gotta do is change our perceptions, and what that takes is is is coming up with the accents that'll help. Move US forward in the new direction. Wonderful thank you so much. John Perkins Again I've spoken twice before over the past ten years, and I've enjoyed each one of those conversations. Thank you for joining us. Say Thank you for writing this book and for doing what you're doing. I think you're going to help a lot of people with this John. Perkins Great Roy again. You're welcome you my pleasure and keep great work. For it and I love your show and just please just.

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Deep State Radio: After the Past Four Years, Do We Have Enough Energy to Celebrate Properly?

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Deep State Radio: After the Past Four Years, Do We Have Enough Energy to Celebrate Properly?

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Among the people influencing the most important decisions in washington and worldwide today you can learn more by visiting the d. s. our network dot com listeners. Towards matter will receive twenty five percent off the regular membership price use code words matter at checkout well and twenty eight to twenty three. This is deep state radio coming to direct from our super-secret studio in the third sub basement of the ministry of snark in washington. Dc and from other undisclosed locations across america and around the world. Hello and welcome to another special election week. Episode of deep state radio. I'm your host david. Rothkopf coming from new york city We have with us a great group to discuss where we stand in this election. I'll just note as we begin that we record this at five o'clock on thursday afternoon so we expect things to evolve And we will try to keep that in mind as we go joining us as every week. Also new york city we have ryan goodman of nyu law school And just security. How are you doing today. Ryan pretty well david. Thanks and also as we have every week dr kavita patel of brookings and a special practising physician and a former obama white house official. Are you could vida waiting. For t seventy wait for two seventy somebody. i noticed. Somebody said on twitter the only way that trump will hit two seventy s as if he loses sixty pounds so obvious it's brilliant. It was very good that That comment there was from Jennifer cohn who is a lawyer and an election integrity advocate who has been burning up twitter with insights into where this election is Running into potential problems. Harry jennifer and fine. How are you good and we have with us. Greg sargent of the washington post to as i've noted in past episodes tends to write two or three columns a day for the washington post. He's one of their buzzer productive columnists i've ever seen. Are you exhausted greg. It's never more than two. I promise and they're just blog posts dot com. Although the newspaper world does not fully appreciate it a blog post column to a reader are exactly the same thing that is true. In any event. I thought The the place to begin since this is a big Emotionally challenging for everybody as well as one of great importance is simply to get everybody's reaction to where we are in this thing and since they're four you we are going to try and go round a few times so we'll try to keep the answers a brief enough that we can do if you ran. let's start with you jennifer. How do you think things are going. Well no one would ever excuse me of being an optimist. And i'm not even speaking about the presidential race i'm upset i'm upset about these senate races and i'm upset for the reason i thought i might hip set for the election. Which is that. Our system is not and we have some pulled defying democratic losses in a senate that no one in a position to seek recounts or do anything about it seems to be looking at or considering challenging and activists scrambling around doing the best. They can to try to shine some light on those races with minimal or no funding and a websites that are crashing and speaking of my group and so that has me not happy. Can you give us not happy com. Can you give us one or two examples. Oh well sure. I mean i did. I did see a twitter thread from you. Awhile ago that had like forty examples of things that were going wrong but in terms of senate races that are under performing poll expectations for democrats would. Let's an example. Well i'm concerned. I have to say i don't know if these senate races what the pulse exactly said but the anytime Control of the senate might come down to georgia. A good thing and or joe law is really bad. So what's happening there. There were it was the to senate rate. Us senate races on the ballot. Georgia and georgia has a uniquely and transparent system watts. Unfortunately it's not unique enough. Actually most states have fairly non-transparent systems. By which i mean there is not a good procedure for verifying the legitimate genesee. Report electric outcomes and anti and even don't conduct they call them physical recounts but they don't conduct recounts there so what they do instead is. It's a it's a rescan and experts. Say that that has little chance of detecting you know electronic total of reading so what you really have to do to detect that is something annual with a meaningful paper trail. Georgia doesn't have a meaningful What experts generally considered to be a meaningful paper trail. It has a qr code paper trail but not only that for a recount. They just rescan it and they only re scan the qr code which voters can't anyway and so it's they're going to do a manual audit of the text portion which again most experts say that text person can't even be trusted. You really need to have marked it with pen for it to be trustworthy but they are going to do. Manual audit on that machine marks text the presidential race but they're not going to audit anything else so the senate races are just. It's gonna be whatever the machines say and the only bright side is that there is a nonprofit that has been on their case for years called the coalition for good governance and it's led by maryland marks who is a very respected very very effective election security at it and she has pending lawsuit that tried to challenge tried to get them to not use their current system and the judge actually agreed with them that the current system was very problematic. It's there wasn't enough times the second time she said there's not enough time. Let's keep going around here Greg what's your reaction to the so look i think there's a high probability that that baden's gonna pass trump in pennsylvania Maybe in the next few hours and we may have a winner That's i think that that's almost inevitable at this point but i still feel a little worried about some outstanding nevada today as been taken off the board. For trump recount the counting. They're revealed that it was actually swelling. Biden's lead not helping trump still a little concerned about what's going on in arizona because it looks like it's going to get very tight and i don't know how that's gonna turn out. I've talked to the biden people about their modeling. They've told me that they will tighten but it will that. There's no way that trump can get there and their analysis supports what the fox i'm concluded by the way i think we're going to have a really interesting Berry soon on the part of fox news. When if and when biden does cross in pennsylvania but i also. I'm just not really sure what's going to happen. Georgia looks to me like there's a a a a fifty to fifty or slightly more chance that but the biden prevails there. But i don't think we're going to know that for days so i have to say right now. I'm still feeling pretty nervous about the whole situation. I really would like to see by when pennsylvania to get Tonight well hope. I hope that that that happens. Kavita i was gonna ask everybody's respect. I'd like to ask you a specific question. Though because i was just watching nicole. Wallace is show and they. They were talking about exit. Polls and one of the things that you know said piece of data. I hadn't heard before but one of the conclusions was that about fifty one percent of the people polled said that they thought the handling of the virus was not going well which meant that about forty nine percent of americans either thought it was okay or or better than that and and one hundred and thirty thousand americans are nine million americans. Who've had this disease that were over one hundred thousand cases today for the first time ever the summit thirteen hundred deaths yesterday. And i look at that and i and i think you know i mean. This is the most extreme proof that there are two different narratives in america that i've ever seen but even in the et fox narrative they're still one hundred and thirty thousand dead people and somehow half of america doesn't seem to care to and two hundred thirty thousand. Excuse me two hundred. no i know you. I know you know that you've been rightfully tweeting and getting pretty upset about Good radio ad. Not sleeping so i think all five of us can agree. That like sleep would make a lot of go away. And if you wanna wanna plug. Jen's organization is giving money to these organizations now matters more than ever. I would argue up so say that you're right about the exit polls by the way david lines up with fifty. One percent of america wear masks forty nine percent dozen. I mean at help. They're not the same people but you can't help but think they're the same people and i think what's been shocking to me and i miss ended allama white house alum so all these the senate races make a difference to me. I think what's been most shocking to me. As i thought that kobe would be top of mind for voters in it clearly wasn't or if it were if it was it was that forty nine percent on exit polls david to your point who basically said yes. We think that there's a cure. We think that fao. She is wrong and that it's been over hyped in the scientists are aligned with the democrats and not telling us the truth and it's not that bad if you get it you can get over it and if you're old and you get it through these treatments out there and they're essentially cures and david. That's what the narrative and so i sit back not having slept and wonder what the hell is going to happen to us in december when we're going to like one hundred and fifty two hundred thousand cases a day. This thing is blazing through the country and half the country thinks. It's not a problem. And i think for me. The bottom line is that if it hasn't affected you personally. I feel like people are just kinda removed from it if they attend a rally and they don't get infected they don't know someone who died and they don't care that herman cain diet or this person died that they're like hey i went to this rally and i got sick but it wasn't so bad i'm fine. Then there's this air of don't give a crap about the rest of you and i think that's essentially we're in america the At the end of the day you know half of his. Don't give a crap about the other half. I guess that's what it feels like. And that's what the exit polls into support it's to me. It's one of the most shocking things about this whole election cycle. And you know there. There was one journalist who is associating it with. Trump's narrative is working. No now you know. People don't care ryan what's your what's your takeaway so i mean agree that there's a dismayed by that dimension of the vote in definitely dismayed by the dimension of the vote that suggests people don't care about racial justice. There's this white supremacist that they would. As far as they're concerned at a minimum doesn't seem to be a deal breaker for them. Not that they were voting for white supremacy but not dealbreaker and i say if he's going to stoke the fires of that element of our society than that's okay for them because the economy is most important or something like that So think in some ways that's already we knew that and that's been a part of our country for so long and i don't wanna get too much in that direction because at the same time going back to an sense. What greg was saying. You know we might be at the weekend. Where biden has racked up georgia ariza. flipped georgia flipped arizona gulf three of the states back that hillary clinton lost in terms of wisconsin michigan pennsylvania and has nevada and is over three hundred electoral college in a bigger margin ronald reagan head when he had his landslide. So and so. There's a different way to read that. And what the country just went through So we don't know yet in in a certain sense but at the same time the fact that we're sitting here and everything was so close To me is just deeply deeply disturbing And another element. That's deeply disturbing his. How off the pope off the polls were end of throw something that i've been thinking about with respect to that. The extraordinary confidence of the forecasters going into this And how many of them are white male forecasters in the one poll. That was not that. Was the salzer poll which was accurate. When it came out of iowa and then the other ulster's forecasters rationalize it as they've been rationalizing a lot of information just saying oh no you know our models still work and that one is the In in here. I am a refreshing their pages in your might my two hundred feet to see what they're saying people have to now. Because that's all. I've got And that's just a that has to be. Revisited is political science professor from stanford who said that a you know a mandatory class for anybody who goes into that part of the profession should be about understanding other parts of our society and culture and Even to have a deeper understanding what motivates other people to have maybe more humility in the profession itself. I think something really bad happened here. It's almost you know people studied this. A sociologist in terms of organizational failures. And this is going to have to be studied. Like i don't put the exact analogy onto it but like the The challenger explosion. It's like we really have to understand. How many layers of redundancy there were at all was wrong. There's a lot of it that would that was wrong. Yeah well you know if you look at the baps cities vote one way everybody else. Votes another way people who are in contact with people who look different and are diverse. Vote one way people who are in less contact vote another. It's a. It's a real chasm in our society can i. I'm jumping down at. That bug is gone yet. Now that you're safe happen. So i think we have a bigger problem than deviance from the polls i think we have a problem of a analytical skills. Critical thinking nears possibility. Guys you guys. I mean the democratic party the people who could be in a position to challenge some of these outcomes there are some anomalies that day. Maybe just that it could be true legitimate outcomes or they could be illegitimate. If we're going to be a party of science. We need to listen to the scientists who tell us there are ways to rigging election doesn't take a nation state. It can be anyone on inside who is bribed or blackmailed. We're dealing with an administration. That is certainly not above bribery or blackmail. And i want to give an example of miami dade is one of the ones that was in the threat that i think you mentioned david. Where in two thousand sixteen clinton in miami dade this is a relatively democratic strung relatives democratic stronghold got a six hundred twenty four thousand votes biden. Got six hundred seventeen thousand so he did just slightly worse. But it's consistent trump on the other hand in two thousand sixteen three hundred thirty three thousand. He jumped to five hundred thirty two thousand and they're saying all the cuban vote and maybe it is that needs to be investigated if these scientists all said for this election. And i wrote it up in my new piece in your books. They all said for this election we needed to conduct. Robust manual audits using a meaningful paper audit trail for every single at least federal race. The gop blocked legislation. The safe act that would have required it and here we are. Everyone saying like we need to do this. We need to do that. We need to do all these strategic things. I don't see how we strategize this without making sure. These outcomes are correct because we could be strategizing. The wrong thing and to anyone who thinks it's not possible watch abacus versus the architects. My friend don siegelman is is last democratic governor. He is the advocacy gets in that analogy. The architect is karl rove his two thousand and two alabama race was highly anomalous and think of what they could have done since two thousand and two. But that's just probably involved. He says his race was stolen. It was six thousand votes moving from his column to his opponents after he was had already been declared victorious and the courthouse was closed up in the ag seizing paper ballots. So we couldn't recount them. Which is really what always happens. The gop always prevent has prevented democrats the few times. They seek recounts. They always tried block. So it's interesting point and and it you know it's a cousin of the the way they've cove it because again it's it's an effort to suppress data surpressed tracing data suppress having actual facts to go greg. Another dimension of this. And i brought this up by the way on twitter and it was immediately. The shit kicked out of me Because i i. I suggest that you know. Yes you know. Biden may well win but this was not a landslide. This the worst president. American history was not repudiated But it actually didn't go that well in the congress where the democrats were supposed to pick up a bunch of seats in the senate didn't were supposed to pick up. A bunch of seats in the house didn't lost seats in the house. I think lost seventy now And you know it. It suggests that we're about to enter into a period of high dysfunction in everybody else's you know sort of you know everybody's been obama nostalgia for the past four years and seems to have forgotten that the last couple of years of obama mcconnell was just stuffing him left and right and he couldn't get anything done except via executive order. Just wondering what your reaction is to say about the the the question of whether this was a massive repudiation of trump or not i just wanna can address that of course you can address on to two other very serious problems in the structural end discourse problems that we're having right now just to return to what ryan said. If if things go as we expect. This is really going to be tremendous victor right. it's gonna be a popular vote margin. Rivaling obama two thousand eight potentially into the three hundred the electoral college. I hope i'm not. We don't know that but it looks like it could be and this is an incumbent who's been at which is a hard thing to do And i think are sort of sense of what's happening. Right now is very deeply distorted by the electoral college and by the way our press coverage these elections right so here we are all every one of us hanging on the outcome in florida which is a state that is trending read write that the democrats never needed to win this election right and them or hanging as we're talking about we're letting our entire action to this e colored by the fact that trump is perform certain counties in florida. Now the you know. That's lamentable to be sure but it's not it's not something they should color overall act are thinking about this. The reason we're on tender hooks right now is because the electoral college. That's why we're worried about what's happening. We think it's close in fact it's going to be a very big win historically big win over incumbent and you know. I think that we should embrace this a little bit. Now when it comes to the losses in in congress the house and the failure in the senate a think we need to know a lot more about what happened there but wait what we can say is that we don't really know what that tells us. About what voters thought about trump living lot of the time voters vote a little differently congressional races. The tickets flooding has gone. But you know there could be some. There could be some stuff on the martin luther. We really need to investigate that. Figure out what happened with it. But yeah i mean. Look the dysfunction. That's coming is going to be severe. One thing that heartens me a little bit or gives me a little bit of hope as the fact that we've been through this already. There's been years of debate Among progressives among normal types. There's a lot of talk about what we do about. Things like ila buster. I mean that doesn't apply in this case but but I'm for you know unfortunately but That type of conversation has gotten i think. A lot of democrats including establishment ones which is interesting to a point where they're willing to think a little bit more boldly adult procedural warfare than they were before. There's a sense that there's a base that won't tolerate kind of rolling over in the face of Mcconnell's you know scorched earth tactics and so forth. So i think we gotta see what happens. I think we might see a little more creativity than we expect. Out of the biden people presuming. He wins on this front so there will be a lot of pressure on him to figure out ways of maximising pow in the face of mcconnell doing this again particularly after what happened with the amy coating barra which i think radicalized Really kind of more norms respecting democrats and so forth. So we'll see. Yeah i i would just add. And i don't want to be argumentative here. It's just my heart when i don't get sleep. I get a little more on e. e. r. aside i guess of of these things but yes biden's winning a lot of votes more than anybody else's ever in history but soda donald trump donald trump will have come out of this thing with more votes than brock. Obama got in either one of his record breaking election. Now i've said that people and they go. Well you know demography. We have more people But you know we it's i. I don't think we'd say that the other thing which several people have brought up and just as the you know as somebody who's been a sort of presidential historian periodically and people are saying. Well it's hard to defeat an incumbent while trump loses. He's going to be the third incumbent outta of the past seven to lose and that's not counting ford. People don't count forward because he wasn't elected but he was an incumbent. So if the issues incumbency it means four out of the past eight presidents lost after just one term and so i just i've i flag it because some of these points that were making. I think we maybe should come out a little more. Greg can i ask you do you find i. Just you've written note. I mean does the fact that we're putting cunanan congressional members in office. The net lost a member. This is the part that i can't. I think you're right. But the david's point i mean how else do we read that other than you know. Something is kind of feels like it's broken. Oh well i think there's no question that there's there's there's extreme radicalization on the right in a way that the is deeply alarming and could create all kinds of problems down the road. I'll tell you. I don't know i think you guys when i caught on you guys were talking about mark levin tweet orange the radio host or you're talking about the idea of getting a a Slated electors to pro-trump slater a friendly republican legislature to appoint a separate slate of electors to swing the electoral college mark levin. Who's actually a really popular in radio. Host tweeted and supported that idea. Don jr. retweeted a today. I thought that was a very alarming sign of deterioration on the far-right an even not on the not that far right since those are some fairly major figures. I think we're going to have major problems with those people down the road. I don't know what the direct relevance to that is to questions about what the election means in terms of repudiation of donald trump and so forth. i mean the radicalism huge problem. But but there's always a very worked up fringe right in. There's a democratic president right. I think every major every democratic president has contended with his own version of that going back to the sixties. At least right. I think like i think we have to take the thing as a whole we should appreciate positive within it but i also think we need to look at it in terms of underlying trend's ryan speaking of long threads You at a a thread Earlier today on the challenges that are being fielded against this. And how unlikely was that. They were going to pan out. I think if we get to the point tonight or tomorrow when i victor is declared everything shifts to legal discussion You know is there one. That worries you that you think could be successful. No actually just might send. There is no legal concern. I think it could also help. People progressives in a certain sense. Where anybody in the country who's worried about this dragging on a tearing part the country The probability that there's a legal avenue for the trump campaign i think is so small. It's hard to even identify what it is. So that for example Jonathan turley the kind of conservative legal. Commentator professor was on fox news yesterday. Right after. The giuliani press statements. And they asked him. What about these claims of aberrations and problems with the procedure of vote-counting what about His legal claims these lawsuit. In what about a recount and turley said. None of them were like none of them work. Though there is something to the particular supreme court case involving pennsylvania and yes maybe but that case and i think turley was just very subtly trying to throw them a bone because that case amounts to a teeny tiny smidgen of ballots. It's about a very separate kind of question. Could pennsylvania have changed law right before the election to allow for ballots to still be considered if they received in a three day period after the a pulse. Close that's in the number balance that we found out today that fall into that category of very small. They will not decide the outcome. Joe biden will receive pennsylvania without him. It's just seems clear so even that lawsuit doesn't really matter there. is this crazy lebanon idea. And i think that's what they're gain is so i think they're they're using the law is ray. They are throwing things out there. That really don't have a legal basis the lawsuit in georgia that was thrown out by the state. Judge today is about. I think it's like fifty one. Were so ballots. Like why would they bring that because they can say. Oh look at this there's litigation in every state that's spending and look at all these irregularities and i think that's there may be their strategy with eleven don jr. idea where they raise enough of that they gin up their public to be outraged at the process in with that they try to put pressure on the state legislatures to do something. But even that is based on the premise. That there are actually legal concerns under girding the count and call rove has said there are no such things. People like jonathan turley. There's so many ways in which that falls apart. so I don't think that's really going to hobble. The by transition coming fully end end that would assume it all comes down to one st. It does not look like it's coming down to one. St if nevada gets called within the next twelve hours with both fox news and the associated press are in a corner they have to call the entire race for the president is both of them have called arizona. I'm sorry residence biden have already called arizona for by so i think people can be fairly rest assured that the legal abbott. There is not a big that i can identify. It's a real risk. We only have left. Maybe two minutes for me. Twenty two and and just like to go and pose one more round questions Jennifer there's another case. It's sort of on my mind That because i i guess there's an inclination ago and look for big chunks votes or or big egregious misbehavior And that of course is the case of the united states. Postal service where there were lots of things that were supposed to be delivered. That wert delivered Do you think that has any material effect on anything. I think it has the potential to have a material effect that it has to be quantified. Somehow i'm having researched the extent to which it's been we've been able to really pin down. How many ballots for talking about whether that end up being positive in some of these races. But sure i mean even before the election. I was worried about us. Ability of people not receiving their ballots for a nine or nefarious reasons with with vote by mail. That's always a possibility. I do want to say it's not just miami. Dade anomalous not just florida was also texas highly zapata county trump won by six percent six points whereas clinton won by thirty three was up thirty three points and obama forty three and it's a very small county where people are going to try to send volunteers to go door to door. But it's it's hard work for an integrity advocates. And i also think we underestimate the corruption in our election system at our peril so or example. Ed rendell who was who hosted the dnc the convention in sixteen and told everyone not to worry about russia that hillary shouldn't blame russia was really her fault. You sat on the board of a siobhan casino right immediately. After with trump's swan of trump's proteges and rudy giuliani's running buddy and need to have oversight of whatever ballots. They're still counting trump. There's always a grain of truth if the custody is not secured at is room for fraud and we should not assume that the fraud would go in our faith. We should not assume we're that we're okay if we're not guarding this ballots ourselves. And i'm hoping that the pennsylvania auditor general eugene a great investigation and really groundbreaking investigation of the voting machine vendors corruption throughout pennsylvania. I'm hoping i'm hoping he will get down there and supervise. The counting mail ballots in pennsylvania. Because they are delaying them and we need to be watching it very carefully. I'm greg of things you've talked about. Is this sort of extraordinary Anti-democratic impulses of of of trump. We've talked about fiddling the election we've talked about legal challenges t election. To what extent are you worried about trump. The loser being an office for another two months. I i have to say i mean. I haven't thought that much about it but it doesn't concern me terribly. i mean. Think about what we've already been through. I mean there's been just four straight years of abuses of all kinds. Seemed like what we're going to be seeing some sort of like yao low grade score-settling of all kinds he's going to be Presuming loses. It's going to be all about this. Raging at every single institutional blair internally who supposedly trade him than the leaks will start right. I mean imagine the torah the leaks. That's gonna come out after. He lost people trying to curry favor with reporters and get back into their good graces from inside trump world. And then even trying to launder that reputation publicly too. I just think the circus is gonna get so crazy that there's not going to be all that bandwidth for really severely damaging things. I really am sort of elevated by your optimism today. Think it's you know we're all tired and somehow you're you're tired and optimistic and i learn how to do that. Trick does involve a lot of carbs. A lot of coffee. Coffee coffee is with kavita. There's something else going to talk about. Feel free. But i the other thing i worry about over the next couple of months is trump's just going to say i don't care about this covid thing and it's going to be the two worst months of of covid or two of the three were you know i. It's going to be the the worst period has thing and we're gonna have to wait and wait. And you know. I mean you've been in the white house dealing with these issues. It's gonna take biden a coupla months just to get up and running just to get people out of their jobs. Get people in. Who can do stuff. Does this lag at this critical moment. Should it be as a source of concern. I think the biggest sources of concern. I mean trump will absolutely continue his superspreader path of neglect by doing nothing and kind of posturing to And by the way everybody knows he's like he's gunning for redfield. I mean he's going to create. Even though nobody at this time would fire an agency head. I mean a lot of us fully expect for trump to kind of exact his revenge by you know kind of firing redfield or at least doing things in and continuing to put scott outlets was incompetent at best in his accusations that you know it's not so bad to have all these cases 'cause not that many people are dying so i think he'll continue to do the neglect that he's been doing but to enter degree because he's holed up like some sort of you know the way he's acting is the way. A toddler reacts to bad news. And that only bodes poorly for how he's going to take kind of covid seriously so you're going to continue to see this. You're gonna see hundreds of thousands of cases a day potentially like you said december being pretty grim. Biden's people ron plane. I mean he's got a smart team. That's handled crises pandemics epidemics before. But it's going to incredibly important to kind of focus on what is twenty twenty one with kogan and that includes having a. Cdc they can roll out. Vaccines have treatments online that with strategic national stockpile competence and you can turn that on quickly. Because you've got veterans that know how to do it but to your point david the thing that's not getting kind of enough attention number one. The career staff which all of us can relate to have been decimated. The politicals are incompetent and will be trying to leak and save their own asses. So they can get jobs that are lucrative. Coming out of this is coming out of this. Nobody wants trump taint on them and they're going to try to pivot so they can put themselves in the best light which means they're not going to concentrate on their jobs and then a third is the role of chris with no kind of with no ability to understand what congress looks like kind of january. Going forward right now. In this interim you'd be cutting deals trying to understand how you could get more appropriations dollars working with embiid find things under sofas so that you can get more dollars to federal to local officials. None of that is happening and a transition team. That's going to try to navigate bad with all this other disarray. To jennifer's point about what could be happening in zapata in could be happening all over the country not to mention the hundreds of millions of dollars. Democrats are going to pour into these two runoff races in georgia. I mean i. I you know god only knows what's going to happen with coronavirus at the end of the day as you mentioned with the exit polls from msnbc. Apparently the country doesn't care. And that's what i worry about now. By the way. I think sort of come on a should call saturday night live because the idea of trying to remove the trump stained from people you know and you know i could just see a sort of parody commercial of industrial strength disinfectants. The that that that left that the lengths people will go to ryan. I just noticed that appear that Ah doj spokesperson was asked. Will they investigate the fraud. That trump has alleged has occurred and the response of the department of justice. Spokesperson was the department of justice pursues all actionable information it receives and is always the case. Encourages anyone who suspects a federal crime to report it to their local fbi office. That doesn't sound to me like you know a. They're fanning the flames or be. They're planning to respond very quickly. And i you know ma- maybe maybe i got it wrong but it does sound to me like they're kind of like lead us out of this. Is that my mistake making a mistake there. It does sound that way Yeah i i think that's the direction things are headed in people. See the writing on the wall and other indications are you know news just broke in the last couple of hours that Secretary aspirin may prepare it his resignation letter because he wants to leave having either resigned or being fired by trump rather than being a yes ber- by reputation And by virtue of the wave just described it suggests. It's too late and nikki. Haley has a tweet just saw that. matt gaetz is criticizing because he says hey while we're fighting for trump. She's eulogizing him so her tweet is about thanking trump. For what he's done so. I think these people see the writing on the wall. I've wondered if you know somebody like bill barr himself at the justice department is seeing the writing on the wall for a few weeks now And that's why we didn't see him to come out with some kind of rabbit out of the hat move. So yeah i think It's a good sign that they will be less turbulence in the next two months if what that justice department spokesperson says will be similar across other agencies and departments. Or maybe greg's optimism is is where we need to this. you know. maybe maybe it's just it was a good outcome. Biden's gonna win is going to win by a certain amount we're going to have to. I mean covina's right. A billion dollars is going to go into georgia. Georgia is gonna go to senate. Races are going to because the balance the senate is and of course as jennifer said. This is a state with a terrible track record in this regard So that's gonna be a big distraction between now and and january But to continue in the vein as we wrap up of of of greg's optimism. I also see a report here. That trump is feeling down and he's starting to feel this slip away. And so you know. I think that's where we should. We should we should feel bad for the president. Poor guy suffering and I and to the extent to which anybody out there wishes to shed a tear for this motherfucker. Go ahead jet shed a tear or not In any event it's obviously a lot to keep looking. Perhaps by the time you're listening to this pennsylvania will have been called there will be next. President perhaps fox will have called it As as greg suggested by the way recommend you go look at greg's piece on the demise of the the the real sort of liars and chief over at fox which i thought was a very very good piece but May maybe we'll be in better next week. I hope so In the meantime Try to Stay healthy standard trouble. Go to the network dot com to see what else we've got coming And we'll be back with you again soon. We hope you enjoyed this episode of deep state radio deep state radio hosted by david rock. Cobb produces new episodes two to three times per week and brings together. 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20200521 Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

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20200521 Nicole Sandler Show

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. Your this question is advised. Nicole Sandler Questioning Authority. That could be very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey you do the music. Venue here beneath my boys from broadcast sound library that I pay for seats. So that your toppy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole all right Welcome to the show. I know I know we're on. I just need to get me the streaming going on the audio streams because I think We weren't working hopefully now The audio streams will be working. I don't know for sure. Let's say oh I think so. I think we're on Hopefully give it a second. It should come on Welcome to the show. It's a Thursday. I'm Nicole Sandler. This has been Just a sort of the week from Hell So and you know I I know it gets old. I'm so sorry to keep harping on the technical problems but I I am a one woman. Show here. I don't have an engineer that I could call to come over and fix things for me. So it's trial and error and I get one thing working and then something else kinda screws up but hopefully. Hopefully everything is working now. I'm keeping my fingers crossed And that's about all I can. Do you know what in. And that's not the right thing either Anyway hopefully this'll this'll work if not. We still do have audio on Youtube and I believe facebook live. Are we on FACEBOOK We'll find out in a second. I'm going to look facebook. Hello are you there? I don't know I don't know This is all above my pay grade. I think anyway here. We are It is a Thursday. We are in week. What nine ten of quarantine and things are getting crazier than ever? Donald Trump is is He I I don't even know how to put it nicely. There's something seriously wrong with him. And I know that's the understatement of the year I'm looking tell me you guys if the audio streams working is it now I give up on tuning only thing working as youtube. I'm so sorry you guys I I don't even I don't I don't know what to say. dammit no. I don't WanNa play the URL right. I don't want to do that. We want to one or doing the sound card. I don't know hopefully it's working I think I just need to tear everything apart and put it back together again. But that's how I got in this in this place in the first place. Anyway I also I wanted to play for you. This Led Zeppelin Song Parody. And again I had it working earlier and just in the last few minutes might the input. The remote input died so We'll have to. We'll have to plan B. and I think plan B. Today is Our FRIEND LAUREN. Mayer and hopefully. Hopefully this'll work keeping my fingers crossed. It's a song that you're familiar with. Hold on let me. Just make sure it's going to play. It should play All right I'll take it away. Lauren Mayer he was Herod and owned. The chip fillet sign on the door said closed today due to the pandemic we gotta shut down. Only thought I gotta get something to eat and Bola Ram is right down the street that they were closed to just like everything else in town so he called his buddy the governor and said can't we get back to the way things were Brian. Kemp said son now. Don't you the defy those scientists by by? So what if you folks have to die? It's the price of the freedom which we hold so do. That's the potholder to ball in Georgia. That's the pond next see read. They don't trust the folks. Well we employ the governor in south just skits roots got her so depressed organizer. Real big protest Rosa Parks at the frosted big hair crowd. They don't need no masks. Don't y'all NAK. Brave ones carry a confederate flag. A symbol of the phony heritage of which they're so proud further bride to a blowout in Georgia. Your status won't do ten latter help someone else cure for said your Hansel look pretty who said these restrictions we got an easy because the cure be worse than the disease economies were the Lewd Human. Sav is experts. Advise camp doesn't leave. Even trump said. He disagreed see changes his mind. Every minute sometimes even twice. That's the bad for the ride to attack to in Georgia. Scientific course the voters on on nuts. Norris ever business in for your states dotted on cam go to waffle house in Georgia. Tobin back to the gym and the all or everyone gets sick. Then you'LL BE ECONOMY. So where the State? Gets ON UNKEMPT? Yes let's get on Cam Lauren. Mayer Ah Yes Lauren. Mayer everyone from A. Lord Mayor's comedy find her on twitter on facebook on Youtube and all those places Lauren. Mayer does one or two great song parodies a week and she was actually doing them before the world jumped on the The the the Covid Song Parody Bandwagon. Hopefully tomorrow I'll get everything working right to play the led Zeppelin cover because it is fun. All right so there's a lot going on. It is Thursday. Howie Klein is going to be here on for the third week in a row. I promise you we are going to try to get through the list of progressive candidates. Well in this case that have been endorsed by the Blue America. Pac that's how he climbs dig bees and John Tomatoes group they find And try to convince to run great progressives who would make wonderful candidates and then they raise money for them. We talked about last talked about it last week with how. It's not your typical pack. How we and Digby and John Motto. Don't make any money off of this. It's all about raising money that goes directly to the candidates. Which is kind of unusual in today's political climate? Where it's every you know. Schyster out to line their own pocket books and that's one of the big problems with you. Know The D. Triple say in the way they work is that all the organizations that they What's the word that that they basically say are okay to work with? They will get a cut. And it's all about who can make money off of an ad by or a production order or it's mostly having to do with advertising. Well the Blue America PAC is different. They don't they. Don't take a cut. The money goes to the candidates and just a very small amount that Goes TO HELP RUN THE BLUE AMERICA PAC but none of them take a salary or anything all right but today we are going to go through the list we. I redid the calendar to find out when all the primaries were rescheduled for went through it with Howie He gave me a list of Some of the groups that or the candidates that they've endorsed and we'll go through today because again while our eyes off the prize we gotta get him back on and the prize is November third. It's election day in. It's not only the presidential election. That's at stake here. It's Congress and the Democrats need to hold onto the house and they need to take back the Senate and to do that. We need to make sure we participate in the primaries and again that's a problem right now because I'm Donald. Trump is railing against mail in ballots. So let's get to the news showy and And we'll get we'll get how a little and what the hell we'll we'll try to do it live. Okay that's weird. No my audio just completely went out seriously. I don't know what happened here. I'm going to have to try to play this from a different source. Let's see I have. It backed up. What would it help if I turned Which monitors that okay. This one girl. Okay we can do that. We can even have bill head in here. Doors Law Law. Okay well fucking thing. Dr. Yeah well thank you for that I wonder if I pushed the wrong button. Maybe I'm just trying to figure out why that pot went dead all right so let me tell you what's going on in the news. Every Thursday morning the Labor Department reports. The previous week's jobless claims last week another two point. Four million workers filed new claims for a total of thirty eight point. Six million workers who've now applied for unemployment assistance over the past nine weeks. And just for comparison sake the largest weekly number of unemployment claims before the pandemic it filed in one week with six hundred ninety five thousand. That was in October of Nineteen eighty-two in nine weeks we've had thirty eight point six million people a file for unemployment just saying now that total also doesn't include hundreds of thousands of self employed and GIG economy workers receiving unemployment benefits for the first time through a temporary corona virus related program and it also doesn't include probably hundreds of thousands more of us and I'll put myself in that category along with my daughter who in Florida can't even get through on the in the UNEMPL- to file and unemployment claim. The website doesn't work. And why do you think we call it flora duck? The website doesn't work and the The the Nothing works this website. The Florida unemployment portal as it were was allegedly rebuilt by the new governor Rhonda Racist I'm sorry to Santa's when he came into office and they spent something like a A ridiculous amount of money to. I'm sorry I'm I'm doing five things at once here. This is not not working. Well Anyway. They spent a ridiculous amount of money to have this website rebuilt and it still doesn't work and look. I remember how the world the world the whole country freaked out with the affordable care. Act The obamacare website when it first went live in how fucked up that was the Republicans have fucked up. Everything they've attempted and Florida is Ground Zero for the fucked up fucked up Adminis- I like to coin my own new terms anyway. A the omission of self employed workers means the actual number of workers seeking claims has been higher since the Federal Program called pandemic unemployment assistance included in stimulus package approved in March got underway. So that thirty six thirty eight point. Six million workers who are now You know the official unemployment rolls doesn't include the self employed and Gig economy workers who allegedly are eligible for unemployment. But it's just not happening right now. At least Sharon Florida. I don't understand in other devastating numbers. The World Health Organization yesterday reported one hundred six thousand new corona virus cases in the previous twenty four hours making it the most in a single day since the outbreak began so the most new recorded cases in a single day happened yesterday and The whole world is starting to open up again. I just I just don't understand it. Well it looks like Just so you know what's going on. We are having massive storms here in south Florida and it looks like my Internet is out again so Looks like are streaming? Went Down Youtube bear with me. Hopefully it'll come back I have no control over this stuff. Our Internet has been foo bar now for two days. And that's probably what's presenting a lot of these problems so it looks like Youtube is coming back all right. I'm just hoping our power stays on so a keep your fingers crossed because spit and chewing gum here okay. So streaming is back whether hold on. There's there are sixty sixty mile an hour winds forecast and giant hail. And we've got us a screened back. Porch Back Patio where the pool is and I was in the kitchen. Just looking out. The window as the rain was blowing sideways. And two of the the the screen panels blew out so You know I don't know if this is a good time to bring this up or not but it's It's a discussion the David and I had last night. And we both feel this way and you might feel this way too. It seems like the world is coming to an end. Doesn't it You know remember when Obama was in office and the Republicans were freaking out in saying that Obama's the Anti Christ now I again I don't know religion. I don't know Bill Bible Stories. I don't know the the the the urban legends that might give rise to an anti Christ. I don't know if that's an official religious tomer. Whatever but I have heard the theory of an anti Christ would come back who would be a It would be a a charismatic figure larger than life with an uncanny following right and people were saying that it's that it's It was Obama. But when you think about it it makes more sense. It's Donald Trump. He has every single quality that the anti Christ would possess and he's actively trying bring about the end of the world all right. Let me get back to the news we can. We can pick up that notion but it feels that way with the climate doing what it's doing with the planet being sick with this pandemic with everything else going on You know I am at the point where it's like just let it happen already. I mean if this is what our future is being stuck at home or having to every time we go out having to wear a mask being afraid of infecting people are getting infected. Because you're around people that's no existence. It's just kind of it's kind of frightening anyway. Let me get back to the news because You know I just told you about the numbers. The World Health Organization yesterday saying one hundred and six hundred six thousand new corona virus cases diagnosed worldwide. Yesterday alone. Which would signal to me. It's not a great time to ease up on stay at home restrictions right and then this morning we passed the milestone the tragic milestone a five million global Kovic nineteen cases this according to Johns Hopkins University and the worldwide death toll reached a three hundred. Twenty eight thousand. Three hundred and sixty eight people again those numbers are astounding three hundred and twenty eight thousand people dead and in this country alone as of this morning. We're closing in. On Ninety three and a half thousand deaths ninety three thousand four hundred and thirty nine people in the United States alone dead and Donald Trump is so cavalier about all this as you heard. Yesterday he was saying. Oh well I it's a bad badge of honor. Because and he gave out some bullshit about testing. Well let me let me go a little further here because there's a new Columbia University. They have disease models. You know there are a number of models that are out there giving us Estimates of of perhaps what we can expect by the way of you know infections and deaths. And can you imagine having that job having to you know right up and figure out actuarial tables of how many people are going to die craziness but there are new estimates out from Columbia University's disease models and well approves it shows that the US really blew it? We knew that already. But now we know it even more because the researchers estimate that if the United States had begun imposing social distancing measures one week earlier in March possibly thirty six thousand fewer people would have died of covid nineteen so far thirty six thousand people if we had just started the stay at home. Social distancing measures a week earlier and then shockingly they also say that quote and if the country had begun locking down cities and limiting social contact on March first two weeks earlier than when most people started staying home a vast majority of the nation's deaths they say about eighty three percent would have been avoided incredible. Meanwhile oh I don't know if this is GonNa work and I didn't. I don't think I brought all this audio over to the other player but I'll get it in a minute if this one doesn't work So so trump. Today I guess as he was leaving to go to Wisconsin to or. I'm sorry to Michigan to tour. The Ford factory that has been reconfigured to make ventilators where he was told in. No uncertain terms. Everyone entering must wear a mask. He hasn't decided whether or not he's going wear a mask because he's an asshole And shoot they didn't transfer over there damn it anyway so so so. Let's see if this works. I have a feeling it won't. Let's try it off. So trump is asked. You'll you'll hear the reporter saying well. This new study from Columbia says if we had begun imposing social distancing measures one week earlier in March. About Thirty. Six Thousand. Fewer people have died. And and here's how the asshole responded. Six thousand would have been stay. Did focusing metrics one week earlier. You believe that. What your reaction to the early. I was earlier that anybody else would a ban on people coming in from China Everybody thought that they didn't want it. Nancy Pelosi a month later was dancing in the street. Lie No she wasn't. I believe what's happening ally. I don't even blame that. I was way early. Oh fuck you. He was not way early and his travel ban that he keeps saying. I do this and nobody else wanted. It was not even a travel ban yet. It banned Chinese nationals from coming in the country but it didn't ban any Americans who had been over there from coming back. There are no restrictions. His his band on travel for from China was not really a ban and it wasn't effective as you can tell because the United States by far has so many more cases more deaths more infections more of the outbreak. Because it's so out of control here and so the idiot was asked about that right i. He was asked yesterday. Would he do anything differently? And he said No. I wouldn't do it here. I wouldn't do anything differently. The what you've done differently. Well nothing New Jersey which were very hard hit. We were set up. Oh you needed to hear with nothing. The idiot would do nothing differently. I'm going to put up if you're watching on A graphic here. This is a chart and it's about the the covid global counts. I. I'm sort of obsessed with these numbers today. And this chart. I'll post it on the blog at Nicole Sandler dot com along with today's show. So that those of you who aren't watching the video Will be able to see what I'm talking about. But this chart. I just pulled out the first twenty countries in terms of total cases. Not only did they break out the total number of cases they also breakout new cases. Total deaths new deaths total recovered active cases Syria slash critical cases total cases per one million people of population right deaths per one million people total tests and tests per one million people so they really break it down so you can really find the per capita numbers and you know look I know. He loves the poorly educated. I get it because You know they're they're the people who are on his wavelength. Oh I thought I had. I love the poorly educated up here. I guess I don't hear it is. I love the poorly educated. Yeah we we know Donald because that's your speed but this was wonderful today. He was asked about you know he keeps insisting that we did more than anybody else doing testing approaches and you remember the idiocy that he said last week right. We've been doing testing at a level that nobody's ever done it before we have the best testing our. Yeah we don't could be the testing's frankly overrated. No it is. It is overrated. But whatever they start yelling we want more we want more you know they always say we want more. We want more because they don't want to give you credit. I want to get to the point where he says all right. We're we're having real serious. I think I've got a short in my system because it's cutting out in the middle of a cut but anyway he's the guy who said if we didn't do so many tests we wouldn't have so many cases. What a fucking any yet. You still have the case as a moron. We just wouldn't know how many people were infected walking around infecting everyone else. So he was asked today about per capita. Because look I'm looking at this chart. It says the United States has done thirteen million two hundred. Six thousand nine hundred and seventy-five tests and if I go down the list of the top twenty countries. You're right we've done more than anyone else. In second place is Russia with seven million eight hundred and forty thousand eight hundred and eighty tests. But then when you look to the next line in the chart it says tests per one million people in the population the United States has done thirty nine thousand nine twenty six per one million people. Russia has done almost double that of fifty three thousand seven hundred and thirty one per one million people in their population. The population of the United States is three hundred almost three hundred thirty one million population of Russia. I didn't realize this but his one forty seven million and then when we go down the line. Let's get to Spain. Spain with a population of only forty forty six million seven fifty two has completed three million thirty seven thousand eight hundred forty tests. But that's sixty four thousand nine hundred seventy seven chests per one million people in their population. That's what per capita means when you break it down along. These percentage lines and you find out really per person. They're testing based on the population. If all populations were equal and what? Donald trump say about per capita testing. And you know when you see per capita like for capital relative to what? I'm sorry to hear that again cabinet. This many per capita per capita relative to what? Yeah and now we understand why I love the educated. Because you're fucking moron. Oh my God yeah So I will post this this chart because it's very fascinating per capita. We do not lead the world in testing we still lead the world in the number of deaths and the number of cases look in terms of total cases the United States. This chart has us at one. Million six hundred four thousand one hundred and nine total covid cases in the United States number two is Russia with three hundred seventeen thousand three six nine twelve fifteen more than five times. As many cases we have total deaths. Well the US is clocking in at ninety. Five thousand five hundred seventy one. According to this chart that I pulled about an hour ago no one else is even close looking down again. This list of the top twenty countries in terms of numbers of infections number two would be Spain. No I'm sorry I'm wrong the UK the UK with thirty six thousand forty two cases compared our deaths that's compared to our ninety. Five thousand five hundred and seventy one. It's not even close and this more on. You're saying I wouldn't do anything differently. And and then he went on to actually say it's it's a badge of honor that we have so many more cases confirmed by tests. He says it's a badge of honor because it saying we did more tests than everyone else. No we didn't and it's time the American people stop believing this con man and this crafter. He is nothing more than a con. Man Who is trying to a create turn this country into his own personal piggy bank vendetta factory cheering section. It is again. I find myself speechless over the the. What's the word I'm looking for? The could spa of this administration. The way they lie about everything. I'm for instance you love this one. trump has been escalating his obama gate attacks and while he's doing it. The Republican led Senate is playing along with this nonsense and so yesterday this Senate Homeland Security and governmental affairs. Committee voted eight to six strict party. Line vote to subpoena the lobbying firm called Blue Star strategies. Blue starts strategies was a consultant to burroughs MMA. Yes the Ukrainian gas company that paid Hunter Biden Joe. Son to serve on. Its board because they are ramping up. These attacks on Obama put what the hell it just makes no sense and then today the Senate confirmed John. Radcliffe is their new director director of National Intelligence. The boat was forty nine to forty four so again along party lines now remember Radcliffe. Who had been a congressman from Texas? Was nominated last year by trump and there was a bipartisan. Push back on him. Republicans told trump. This guy is not qualified for this job and trump somehow convince them all to to vote him in when he renominated him. It's incredible and the gas lighting ditch. The GATT the level of gas lighting is astounding. You know in their cryptic cries of Obama Gate. They're throwing all kinds of shit against the wall to see what sticks today. Nbc News confirmed. That Michael Flynn's name was never masked in that. Fbi report on his phone call with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. The Republicans have keep keep questioning. Why Flynn's name was quote unmasked. It turns out it was never masked in the first place this is opposite world. Thought you never knew it. Sideways is straight ahead fact. No longer reality is now fiction assigned post your next up so I don't get it I just I. Just don't get any of it at all. So this is this is why. I think he is the Anti Christ and the world is coming to an end and I say if it's going to happen come on blow it up in in in style and let's all go out rather than having to you know quarantine at home for a years. If you're going to end the world really can. Can you just do it already? I know it just shows you where my hands these days right all right. I know what we should do. It is that time of the day again or that time of the week again. So with no further ADO. Let's get Howie Klein on the line shall we? Are you a multinational corporation? Hungry for a treat will come on down new Schmucky chucky cheese or you will personally be seated by Chuck. Schumer himself so many dishes. And they're all fresh. You'RE GONNA love our blue dog special the Dino Gerry because we say so a good hamburger and French fries and every burger comes with a side order of grits. I love grits. I love anything with corn. It's calling for only fifty thousand dollars. Wash it down with a dirty deady. Nine tenth ward or one tenth orange juice after a week or two. You drink fiscal two hundred calories and it's scenic and wipe your mouth with a tissue print of glass-steagall for Dessert Dryer. Dnc tarts little cooking's tell the quality of that most restaurants give you amid but at Schmucky Chucky. You get complimentary Sweden. Who picks up the TAB for all this? Find out now with Howie Klein of down with Tierney DOT COM on the Nicole Sandler. Show all right keeping my fingers crossed. Because how the Gremlins have been out from this week Hopefully we can hear each other there. I hear you find it. I heard truck before you. Yay All right. I love it when things work especially this week because things haven't been working this week so I want to jump right into our discussion about the elections coming up in November. Because we've tried to do this for the last couple of weeks and we keep going off on a side trips basically and we haven't gotten through much Many of these candidates that we want to talk about because so much is at stake on November third. And it's not just the presidential race. The Democrats need to hold onto the house and they need to take back the Senate if we have any chance of saving the world I think you know and and our chances of saving the world or better with a progressive congress than with what we're looking at in the competition for President Right. I completely agree. A. A change change the The object a little tiny bit so you keep you about November but there are still primary Joe and that's very important right in order to make the Congress more progressive in November. We have to make sure that there were progressives running and that So we should talk about that a little bit and definitely right and I feel way way optimistic. About this whole thing. I feel that going to be a gigantic anti-trump reaction to his inability to handle the pandemic. And that's going to sweep in All these candidates that's why it's so important that we make sure to That good candidates nominated because if they're not then bad can bad. Democrats are GONNA get swept into office. That's what's that's what's being set up now. You Know Biden is terrible. You know I- how badly I feel about it about him. I'm not going to go into that. I'M NOT GONNA talking about how horrible he is. And we'll all his negative attributes. Instead what I want to say is that he that trump is going to lose and because whoever is the nominee is going to win. It doesn't mean that that that nominee whether it's for Senate or House or President is good it just means trump and his republican neighbors the so bad and people are so angry and they just want a change and they wanna get rid of them and a change is going to be easy a chain and and you know when Biden talks about to normalcy. Yeah normalcy what gave us trump. But they don't care they just don't want trump so you know it's really really important That we nominate good candidates now because they're going to win in November and I was really disappointed on on this past Tuesday when Oregon voted. And you know all of the progressives who are running some of them were all long shots but some of them were really long shots They all lost every the only one that even had a semi respectable showing was Mark Gamba how mayor of Milwaukee who who got and he only got twenty three percent against a dreadful horrible blue dog I mean Kirk schrader blue dog who represents that district is as bad as you can get but Bernie did so badly there as well only eighteen percent so I mean at least gamble a little bit better than him but you know another person only got six percent. I mean that I mean it's just shocking to me and depressing to me. How progressive candidates did so poorly in in in Oregon? Which should who should be estate? That's open to it. But so many people adjust thinking you know demo there's Democrats and Republicans and then they're not thinking about the difference between a progressive and reactionary like Schroder just horrifying to me. But they're awesome reasons that are coming up with good candidates who are trying their best through can make people understand that differentiation. Now I think you have. Do you have the calendar? I do have the big up. I've got it right in front of me. So the next primary and yes. This is all about the primaries and I stated at wrong at the top these are. We're I've got the revised primary calendar because so many races were postponed due to the virus. So I've got the new dates Mostly in how they're being held for instance. The next race is actually tomorrow. It's in Hawaii and it's being done one hundred percent by mail. Blue America doesn't have any candidates running in Hawaii right. No because the guy who like Howie I even. I'd rather whatever money comes in goes candidates who really need it rather than Haley who's you know? He's really going to win. Any way does need help from us. God bless Gotcha. All right the next one after that is June second Delaware DC Indiana Maryland Montana New Mexico. Pennsylvania Rhode Island and South Dakota are all voting on June second. Those are new dates for most of those states. We talked a couple of weeks ago. Howie about Jim Harper in Indiana. And he's somebody good right where we let not only is he. Somebody really really an important because people just roll their eyes and they say oh Indiana. It's such a red state doesn't matter who wins the primary. This is the opposite of that to the district that is very very close to Chicago and as I always say there's more in common with Chicago Indianapolis and this district. Whoever wins the primary next week is going to be the winner of the general they will be going to Congress? This is not as district where Republicans compete seriously. In fact one of the Democrats who's running is actually a Republican and he's favored right now and certainly You know all the establishment forces are trying to push him but he's a Republican who's pretending to be a democrat. Why because the dishes so blue that you can't win in that district Republican so he just say okay. I'm a Democrat. But everything he believes in and everything is four or Republican values. So that's why it's so important that Jim Harper become the nominee. He's a real progressive he. He's very very very skillful attorney. And he's the guy that we hope is going to win this race. There's another person in a in a more difficult but open seat in the suburbs north of Indianapolis and she. She's a fantastic candidate to she. She's she has more difficult race To win in this case but really really really good candidate her name the way it shouldn't. I should've mentioned that right at the top is is Jennifer Christie Jennifer Is A scientist Mother of three A very very very small woman who is running an empty seat that that Kinda read. But you know it's the kind of district where people are so angry right now at trump and so angry with Republicans in Congress because of how horribly this This pandemic fight is going to be. People don't understand that it's not like this all over the world in other places. They're they're doing much more successful job. I mean I don't know if you saw probably did. I think everyone saw the New York Times story that said the minimum at the minimum thirty six thousand lives would have been saved if trump just did the barest a week earlier than most of his full. But there were other You know there were also governors. Who who were you know didn't know what to do? I mean in a case like this. You have to just rush in there and do everything even if it means overspending just have to do it and if you wait just a week could be ten thousand more people dying. That's right and you know you know almost being lauded as a hero. Now and and when de Blasios wanted to close down Cuomo's when the counties in the bay area wanted to close down Newsom said no Fortunately counties in the barrier area just left a nuisance face and closed down and the counties in the bay area are the ones who are doing the best in terms of cases in terms of deaths and the rest of California is not doing as well and in fact now there are. There are a big spike in California counties and I know I just took you off on into the candidates I know you want and then all without list one. You said Indiana Indiana Maryland. It's a new date from Maryland where we have Michaela Wilkes right. That's the most important race that we're that we're we have a shot. I spoke to her a couple of times in the last week You know she has me. She's you know it sounds like I'm talking with with AFC again. Sure of of her of her game plan. She's she's shooting game. Plan just really felt like I was talking to see when no when everyone was saying. She had no chance. And they're saying the same thing about Michaela because Michaela is running against Steny Hoyer the number two guy in In the House and and a real bad guy he doesn't represent his district in Maryland Represents K. Street the lobbyists of Washington. Mckellar is a fantastic candidate. There's another person who who's running in Maryland as well For the old was a special election for that one. But this is this is for the next so the special election the person who was elected for that Quasi A. He's that that just covers until January. Okay after that for the next two years is gonNA depend on who wins On January second and Joe Carter State Senator. is a proven progressive. Very successful state senator. She would make her. She would make a great us congresswoman and she's in that racist well Very important to remember Carter. So that's that's from Maryland in terms of the races that we think there's even a chance of a flipping a very blue state So whoever wins the primary is going to be the winner of election. Steny hoyer this is you. You mentioned that she reminds you while the fact that she's primary Steny Hoyer. This is what did with Joe Crowley who was next in line to be speaker and Steny. Hoyer of course his house majority leader. Something I I I I think is his title at Old School leadership who is not moving over to make way for younger more progressive members. And that's what we would get in Michaela Wilkes and hopefully soon worst and not moving over. He's he's working with Cherry Buso to disadvantage every progressive who come down the pike. I mean they're trying to kill every progressive. Who TRIES TO RUN? I I mean I don't yes I am going to it Nate Nate mcmurray took on a Republican incumbent. In one of the most no in the most red district in New York state are plus eleven that that is the wettest district New York Detroit. He wrote him off and they said this guy is wrong for that district that has a conservative district and he is He is a progressive. We're not going to get behind him. They didn't spend anything on this guy. He came within. He was one of the closest races in the country. Didn't get decided for a week because it was so close and and now he's running again and he's and he's not running against incumbent coming in jail or or appealing his jail. Sentence or something and nate mcmurray could winning. Couldn't win and again. The D triple C is refusing to help him in. This guy is on the verge of becoming a US congressman and this is a New York and in in the suburban area between buffalo and Rochester and natives. Great he's Awesome. I I always. I always use this picture of him and AFC together. Palling it up and Here he is in Deep Red district. Almost one last time likely to win this time. D Triple C. Really wants him to lose. That's triple C. That's Jerry boost entered anywhere. Nancy Pelosi Yup. No it is time for a changing of the guard and look. Everything's on the line right now because everything is so fucked up that we need to fix it and we need. We need to change the people in power All right so we're sport is what Marianne Williamson has been talking about all week and getting a lot of A lot of attention And she went right after Nancy. Pelosi who she likes and respects level but said you know we need a changing of the God. We the people who are running against people like Nancy Pelosi and against people like Debbie Wasserman Schultz and against people. Steny hoyer in Mayor Marion said is they are what would lizzy. Pelosi purported to be when she first ran for Congress decades ago. But you know she's not that anymore. Steny hoyer well he was never that and and and News Debbie Wasserman no. They all have opponents. Now speaking of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and her opponent. Who's been on this program before Gen Perelman because they're right over just one district away from me. Have you ever spoken to her? I have spoken to a few times this week. I spoke to her a lot of time. Good and you know I. I've been coming around towards turn a lot and I think I mean there's no comparison between her and Debbie Times better. But you know I've been talking with her more about You know how she how she's going to actually win as a Someone who you know. Blue America when when we endorse someone. We're asking people to donate to them and eat to be able to ask someone to donate. I WANNA make sure it's not like a waste and they're wasting their time. Plus I want them to give the money to candidates who can actually win. So where where you know. We sometimes take a chance with people we do one. But we don't. We don't want to like you know. Be Nominating we. Don't WanNa be endorsing people. I should say who are not working hard. Who are not putting their all into it. So it's not only about issues. I mean a lot. It's easy to read Bernie's platform and say Yeah. That's my that's my those are my issues you easy to do. It's much harder to organize a campaign and do all the work that needs to be done especially in these in this grassroots time and not just say well I I lost because of the pandemic no that is not satisfactory and I think candidates getting in the single digits. I can't tell the the Blue American members to give to those candidates. It's ridiculous So but I I've been talking with a lot At the At the request as a matter of fact of of Marianne Williamson God and She's a worthy candidate and I had heard that from you as well and You Know I. She's definitely someone who I expect up by that. By the next time we speak she will have been endorsed by Bloomberg be great. I like her. I said I had her on the show once. And it's hard right now because Y- it's not like people candidates can get out and do retail. Campaigning it's your. They're not knocking on doors. It's a whole is organizing. A real campaign is a real campaign and she is. She is doing she. She's making a worthy effort. Yeah so I feel that that's important too. I mean I see candidates who aren't doing that and infuriates me. That they're all they're doing is is sitting in tweeting days and asking people for money and not doing the job and I definitely have a short in this board. Howie Klein is with us. He should pop back in any second now. I don't know what's going on here. Howie I lost you for a second. I don't know if you can hear me Come on hopefully. He'll pop back in in the meantime while we're waiting for how we to reappear dammit all right so we were talking about June second June second. We mentioned Delaware DC Indiana Maryland. The next one is Montana and a how he has not come back up yet. How I'm going to call you back on a different line because This I've got a short in this board. Unbelievable all right. I couldn't I couldn't get through one damn show without a technical problem. You know just it just can't happen. I I'm I'm beyond Frustrated in case you couldn't tell all right. I'm going to try to get how he back on this other line. I'm hoping this will work. 'cause I was fussing with this. They're all at least we can hear it going out. Hopefully he'll be able to hear us on vk loud and clear the whole. I just couldn't get you through my board everything you said. Yes Montana I just went on and on and on. I was like so eloquent. The Best Day but anyway Let's go. That's forget about that and let's go to Montana. There's a really really important race there that people need to pay attention to the. There's a conservative Democrat running worthless. Just it'll just be another nothing sitting in their chair wasting wasting seat wasting a vote just as bad as they come and then there's someone really good and the bad one can is not gonNA win. Anyway she's like a Republican light all the way and even though the trip is trying to push for her I can't remember her. First name last was Williams and and there's a candidate who really can win this race. He's proven he can win this race because he won a state legislative seat in a Republican district. That trump had just one by. I don't know I think eleven or sixteen points or something. I moved a real trump district and he came in there and went and he didn't come in there and one by saying well. I'm kind of like a Republican but I'm not as bad no. He came in there as a progressive platform and talked his neighbors who just voted for trump and devoting for him And real good guys name Tom Winter and he and he does have a a real shot to win this thing and he's definitely somebody that people should endorse should Should support very important. Paul during Montana can make the difference. Now people say well who doesn't really matter because Montaner so red and the November the Republicans are GonNa just went. You know. They're not trump is doing really badly there. People hate him for what he's doing with the pandemic that he was unpopular. Anyway he did win last time probably is not. GonNa win this time even though the Democrats don't understand and I even better than that on the top of the ticket is is the current popular governor bullock. Who is going to sweep the Senate date? He was going to win a US Senate seat from this guy. Steve Daines Stephen will be the next Senator Oklahoma and he will and he and Tom Winter auto friends. They're gonNA campaign together and they are going to help each other to win Both the Senate and the House seat. There's only one house so the at large just like it's like the senators the vote. They're exactly the same electorate and there's no change at all. Might be going to Montana soon. Be a dental floss tycoon. Sorry just thought I'd Frank Zappa for a moment. Speaking of Montana Dental Game Montana Frank Zappa Song Montana. And you'll have to check it okay. Also on June second to get through the list New Mexico Pennsylvania Rhode Island. South Dakota Bloomberg. Doesn't have anybody in in Pennsylvania. No wow time. We are urging on members to make sure the to back One incumbent who who's who I don't WANNA stays in trouble because the voters love him but it's it's kind of a red leaning State and Republicans are putting a huge amount of money in against him. It's Matt Cartwright who beat a blue dog. A few years ago in primary Hoyer was campaigning against him constantly. And he's been a great senator. He's sorry great congressman. He's The whip of the Progressive Caucus and You know he's in a real tough district and votes very well and his name is is Matt Cartwright and that's the person in in that state who we're supporting the candidates Are very very very conservative. In the D triple C has talked everybody into thinking the only way to win because trump one st therefore the only way to win is to Mimic Republicans and being be a Republican light. Wow so knowing good so we're not When involved okay. I think we're GONNA have time for one more as we work our way through the new primary calendar with Howie Klein June six is the Virgin Islands caucuses and then June ninth is a new primary date for both West Virginia and Georgia and Blue America has a congressional candidate in Georgia and Lisa Ring. Yes we love Lisa. We have who candidate for her. We endorsed her. She yes she and we also have one by the way in West Virginia. Kathy Kunkle for US I want. I just wanted to mention about Lisa Just before you called. I was on the phone with. I can't say it 'cause I you know it's not it's not up to me to announce this but this organization You know consulted with me and they just made the decision that they're going to endorse are. It's going to be very very big deal in Georgia. They're going to endorse both Lisa. And and the Senate candidate the best of the Senate candidates they're Theresa Tomlinson so those two women who both GonNa get big endorsements. I think next week maybe the end of this week. And hopefully it'll Help races you know. One thing that Chuck Schumer has been doing and the D triple C. Does it their own way? But what Chuck Schumer does is. He goes to the polling firms and he says look we're paying for the poll. We want you to do it our way or you want to do business with us do it. Our Way and what they do is they they. They have matchups but they don't put the progressives in the match ups they've been putting only conservatives that they back into the match ups so they'll have a matchup for example with Joe in Georgia say. Oh Look Jon. Ossoff is the one who can beat David Purdue and then people don't know that there were other candidates you just see that and they think yes. Let's be David Perdue but Civics a very very good polling from doesn't care about About Chuck Schumer and his cheating lousy ways they just pulled and they did a match up with Theresa Tomlinson and showed her tied with David. Perdue so I mean and this is with the D. D. SEC and Chuck. Schumer doing everything they can to ruin her campaign working against a progressive Democrat because they say she's to progressive. She can't win yet all these conservatives who have run for governor of Georgia have lost one after the other badly Democrats never elect anybody and then then last time we had someone who ran Stacey Abrams who ran for governor on a Progressive Camp Platform. And she kicks she one stolen from her. By the Secretary of State. Who's now the governor And and yet you know. Chuck Schumer says the Progressive Can't win in Georgia. So he's he's supporting somebody who's basically a blank slate in nothing who stands for nothing. Who means nothing and who will do whatever Chuck Schumer tells them to do? I mean Chuck. Schumer is dream is about to come true. I think which is going to fill the house with One after another version of cared cinema. We'RE GONNA wind up on big big victory for the Democrats. The Democrats are going to win six seven eight seats in the Senate huge deal and they're all going to be a bunch of conservative. Nothing I got theresa will be the nominee because this is the woman who can win. She's proven it as mayor of Columbus. She she was republic was a Republican city. She wanted she ran it. She was reelected. She she was you know Considered one of the best governors of small city in America an incredible. Us senator sounds good to me. All right I will post this list. The the the ones that we went over today on my blog Nicole Sandler dot com slash New York that next week new. Next week we get to Kentucky and New York and Virginia and beyond that Jersey. I don't have Jersey on there. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK FOR JERSEY. New Jersey Jersey Jersey's from grape primaries coming up Jersey is July seventh. That's their new date. So every the whole calendar everything's been postponed. So I have the updated so June twenty third is Kentucky New York. Virginia June thirtieth is Oklahoma and Colorado the Senate race and July seventh is the New Jersey primary. So we'll get to it. We'll we'll get we'll get through those next week. Okay all right thank you. Howie Klein have a great week. You too okay. Bye-bye all right and with that. Well we we made it with with only a minimum of problems tomorrow governor. Don Siegelman will be here to talk about. How what he how? He would advise the Democrats to go about winning this election so I got my work. Cut Out for me tonight. I know when I'll be working on all right fixing these a gremlins. Thank you for listening everyone. Thanks for bearing with me. See You tomorrow.

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The Stuttering John Podcast-October 20th, 2020

The Stuttering John Podcast

2:30:29 hr | 1 year ago

The Stuttering John Podcast-October 20th, 2020

"All right people. Some reason my microphone is not working. Could you guys hear me? Okay, when can you hear me? Okay. Welcome to the world famous stuttering John podcast in scramble around trying to figure out why my microphone is not working. So now I have to go with the computer audio song. It sounds okay. Could you guys hear me? Okay Nikki be Sean somebody. Anyway, let's go get let me get Glenn in here. Hey Glen John, how are we doing good. Can you hear me? Okay, I can hear you fine loud and clear. All right good because some reason like my Scarlet is not working. I thought you weren't coming until 2 Oh, I thought she coming on at 3:00 my time Eastern time. No, that's fine with me brother. All good. There's never a time that I don't want to talk to you but took a Jennifer Collins going to join us in a little while the election fraud expert. Yeah. Yeah, but I hope that's okay. Yeah, she's good. Yeah, so how's it going? It's going all right, two weeks, you know, you're counting down two weeks two weeks. So what do you think about all this Hunter Biden BS? So he's only fooling the gullible right John. I mean think about it. So Rudy Giuliani is apparently driving down the street and he pulls over and he finds an old laptop in the ditch somewhere. He picks it up and he says hey it's kind of smells like Hunter bite right now. The story that we got was almost that ridiculous, right the laptop and left in a repair shop and the guy who runs the repair shop is blind but it has a Beau Biden sticker on it. So he calls Rudy giuliani's friend. You can you can almost picture with Giuliani over in Ukraine meeting with what we now know are you know, Russian intelligence operatives and they're like, you know, hey comrade Rudy we got a month laptop for you. Here you go. And then Rudy carries it over to the United States and plants it. It's just that ridiculous and I'll tell you what this is foreign interference in a U.s. Election and Rudy Giuliani will need to be charged beginning in January because if we know Bill bars not going to do it before then now and what do you what I mean? But the New York Post could they be sued, you know for something like this they could if they were intentionally pedaling a false story and it sounds fishy as all get-out, you know, the Dead the alleged reporter wouldn't even put his name to the article. The whole thing stinks. This is tabloid garbage and you know it all culminates with Donald Trump sitting in the Oval Office. I always obscene when I see him pedaling garbage out of the Oval Office holding up, right the the the article like it's a National Enquirer magazine, you know front page and the whole thing. It's almost over. You know, Justice is almost here these these these guys are about to disappear like a miracle and then our job is going to be making sure they're held akong Double in court know I know I know I'm just I mean they're trying to simulate what they did with Hillary Clinton like with James Comey did it's it's so blatantly obvious and Giuliani man Glen as as what happened to this guy used to be respectable, you know attorney and mayor what the hell? Yeah in a strange way. I think nine-eleven gave sort of rebirth to Rudy Giuliani rumors before that where he was on his way out because of all of the problems that he has and and I think that I think we so desperately wanted people to Rally around after nine-eleven. I did we all did and he was one of those figures that people ended up rallying around really for lack of anybody else. He was you know, he was in a position where everybody looked to him and I think that propped him up for another couple of decades where he probably had it not been for years. 11:00 he would have been gone long ago. Have you ever met him? Not personally? No. No, it just seems like so bizarre that he's on the Trump train. When was it he going against him at some point during the like what is going on? This is my big question. What way in the world are people like Ron DeSantis who's an idiot? And you know Mitch McConnell Lindsey Graham Marco Rubio Rudy Giuliani Giuliani, why are they in bed with this guy when they no no pagal bad and awful he is because all they care about is power and they are scared to death of a of a tweak berating them from Donald Trump because that would probably cause Donald Trump's base to walk away from a DeSantis from a Rubio and they are small cowardly men all of whom are going to get there's I believe beginning a game. You worry, it's either a fear of losing power or for some of them. I think they are compromised. For example, Lindsey Graham when you see the 180s, he's done. Right Donald Trump will destroy the party and we'll deserve it off and now he's my best golfing buddy. Listen. He said on TV Russia hacked my emails and Russia has never released a single Lindsey Graham. What does that tell you they are holding on to it and they're leveraging it and they are using it to ring every drop of Donald Trump support out of Lindsey Graham. That's all it can be. Yeah, and it's it's so but it's just so it's so obvious like Sarah Kennedy has that book hiding in plain sight and really like you could just do a timeline on all this and you know, Lindsey Graham, you know, hold the tape and use it against me when you know, you know about the Supreme Court Justice picked and I do want to ask you about Amy Coney Barrett now obviously dead. Is going to get a pointed because you know, there's no way to stop. Is there any chance any of the Republican, you know besides Collins and murkowski. Is there going to be a any slight? Hope that any Republican will volt know I think it very unlikely. I think she's going to get confirmed and I thought her confirmation hearings were pretty obscene. You know what she I guess what really angers me most is that she tries to sort of cloak her ideology in phoney legal doctrines like super precedent John for thirty years. I was a prosecutor. I've argued lots of pieces in appellate courts as well as trial courts, there's no such thing as super precedent. It's not a thing a few academics have written about well, we think there are some cases that have been around for so long and are so firmly established and nobody argues. They should be overruled. So we're going to put a label on them like super impressive. That's the thing off. Law review article it's not a thing in the practice of law appellate or otherwise, but what is Amy Coney Barrett do because we know she is deeply ideological and I'm not going to touch her religion cuz I would fight for her religion and her right to practice it but when her ideology whether it's based on religion upbringing environment and heredity, I don't care when her ideology can't control what 330 American million three hundred and thirty million Americans will be subjected to then. I got a beef with that. So when she says super press Thursday is something like Brown vs. Board of Education. Okay brilliant, we're all happy that she says that because that means we can't go back to Plessy versus Ferguson separate but equal and sponsored racial segregation because Brown versus Board of Education killed that wonderful, right? So she calls that super President Joseph calls loving vs, Virginia Supercross. That case is where it used to be a crime for a black and a white American loving vs. Virginia said no interracial marriage is a protected fundamental right that way as Americans have that's great. She said that super President we can't touch it. But John here's where she goes off the rails. She then says that case like Griswold vs. Connecticut not super precedent. I can go back and give that a second. Look. You know what that is in 1965. The Supreme Court said you can't make it a crime for married couples to purchase contract perspectives. Amy Coney Barrett says that's not super precedent. You might have to revisit that are you effing kidding me really married couples. We're going to criminalize the purchase of contraceptives for everybody. Nevermind married couples. This is her testimony. When you kind of teased through what you were saying, she then of course said Roe versus Wade, not super precedent. She may have to revisit that issue. Let the government crawl up inside a woman's uterus deny women their right to autonomy over their reproductive decisions, which is insanity, but she says it's not super precedent. So she may have to revisit it. She then says the Affordable Care Act case and if I be versus Sebelius not super precedent. So she might feel free to go back and strike that down and deprive tens of thousands of people of Health Care insurance and coverage of pre-existing conditions because in her mind her ideology not super president. And here's the one that makes me as angry as all the others. It's the Dead. Burga felt case which is only 5 years old now, it was decided in 2015 marriage equality, right just like black blacks and whites get married. Thanks thankfully. So in 2015, the Supreme Court said you can marry whoever you love you can marry whoever you want a man can marry a man a woman can marry a woman it's not for the government to make that unconstitutional unlawful and punish you she says, oh that's not super precedent. I may have to go back and read this whole like and John this is based on ideology. It's born of religion or not. I don't want to go there because that doesn't matter if you have an ideology that is so out of step with the American people then you don't need to be on our Supreme Court. But she will be on my God. Let me bring Jennifer Cohn and if that's okay with you, here we go. Yes. Hello. Hi Glen. Nice to meet you. I don't know if you just heard my rant about Amy Coney Barrett. I did I was interested to hear it. I've been home not following her confirmation hearings very closely at all. So that's very depressing. Very very depressing. Is there anything we can do about it or did you cover that already? No, we haven't gotten there John if I can I transition. Yeah, let me just tell Linda 30-year prosecutor and a commentator on MSNBC. I just said thank you so much. And yeah, go ahead. I would like to what what can we do about it? So here's what I think we have to do about it. So during the history of our nation the Supreme Court Justices numbers have fluctuated between a low of five and a high of ten 9 not a magic number not a constitutionally required numbers and here's the argument that I've been making all along. You know the Republicans for a full reduce the number of Supreme Court Justices from 9 to 8 when they refused unconstitutionally to give Merrick Garland a confirmation hearing mind you that was absolutely in violation of the Constitution Article 2 Section 2 says the the Senate gives advice and consent on a Supreme Court Justice nomination Mitch McConnell said I am violating the Constitution by refusing to fulfill the Senate's advice-and-consent responsibility. So they reduced the number in fact from 9 to 8 for nearly a full year. I don't want to hear that Joe Biden can't come back in and add a few or more than a few months has to the Supreme Court because that is lawful and constitutional. Whereas what the Republicans did to McFarland off. Unconstitutional so it's like like it's a dirty word. Joe Biden's going to be court-packing know he's going to try to remedy what myth broke and that's what I believe has to be done. The same has to be done across. Absolutely. Yes, if they if we win that I think it will be done. Well Jennifer, is there something going on with you over something like that? Keep getting this like squeaking noise, huh? I don't know you here in a client not really dead. Maybe it's just me because cuz I hear like like as if something is playing in the background, but it but it could just be the voices in my head. I'm not sure I you know, I don't know I don't I should have probably weren't headphones. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, that's what usually do. You have headphones nearby? I do. Well, not that nearby. I mean I can try to if we're going to be here for them. Can try to get him I'm worried my hope my backdrop is going to fall cuz it's not virtually everything is barely including me including myself as barely. I'll check it out and then I'll bring you back in as soon as you have money down. Okay? All right, thanks. Yeah. Yeah, cuz you know, I keep hearing it and I want everyone to be able to hear everybody clearly. Yeah, Ziggy says it sounds like a fan. Yeah, it was something like but you didn't hear it when I hear it. Yeah, but Amy Coney Barrett, here's my problem now. Well, I'm going to ask you point-blank and she can overturn the ACA. She's got a try she's already said she disagrees with Chief Justice Roberts opinion. And here's what I'm going to say. John in full disclosure. When I read chief justice Roberts opinion. I you know, I was pretty skeptical too because what he did was he read something that said penalty and he said I'm going to convert it to attacks dead. He did that because he cared about the institution he cared about the fact that he didn't want to be seen as striking down really really important legislation that was going to get with care to tens of millions of Americans. So we found a creative way to do it and you can say you know what that's not really a judge's role, but I'm okay with it because I don't think it did violence to the Constitution. Yes, it was creative. But I think it was creative in a good way and I don't want to say the means always justify the ends because you have to stick to the Constitution when you're a Supreme Court Justice, but I believe she's going to come in and she's going to get everything she can as she has already talked about in lectures to try to overrule the ACA. But here's a good news. John once Biden is in and the house remains in Democrats control and the Senate flip switch it will then all it takes is a little bit of a legislative tweak. Do you realize all they have to do is pass new legislation that modified dog. Is the Affordable Care Act from a penalty to attacks? And it's problem solved and this issue goes away like a miracle glad that's you know, I was thinking the same thing can't they just tweak it a little bit and then just do it again. You got it. I swear my life. I was thinking of the other day I go a good lawyer John you make a good lawyer off for me. There's there's always a lawful workaround for the Republicans unlawful Shenanigans. There's always a lawful work around. We just have to have the political will to do it now and I'll bring Jennifer and I think she's ready here. I am. Can you hear me? Yeah, what can hear me? Well or no? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds all right. All right. I'm not sure what hearing you hang on. I'm sorry technical difficulties. So something else. Hello, Jenny. Well, well it'll have to do with no I can't hear you man. I hate these kind of things when you don't have these problems at MSNBC. I'm I'm sure other people are in control. Not me. If I were in a while there would be problems gender. You hear me? Yeah. I'm not thrilled with this headphone situation though. I guess they should have done this before I got on huh? No, it's okay. I mean, you know, look, I'll never a test to be the most impressive professionally technical show in the world, but I know that the message is good and that's all I you know, that's all that I care about. Okay. Well, you still hear that squeaking or no way. No, okay. All right, so that's good. That's what matters most. Anyway, great. Now I'm going to ask Glenn and and and then Jennifer feel free to chime in. Yep. Roe v Wade, will it get overturned with this lunatic? I'm going to go I'm going to go out on a limb and say 51% of me wants to say no, but if it does get overturned it's going to go back to the States and then and then it's going to be like litigation Nirvana for lawyers. Cuz every state is going to enact its own law. Some will try to impose excessive excessive restrictions on a woman's Reproductive Rights and it's going to be you know, Full Employment Act for lawyers quite frankly and that's wage last thing we need but I'm going to I'm going to stick with no I think Roberts is going to and I think Gorsuch has surprised us a little bit on the on the individual rights front. So I'm going to stick with no she's not going to succeed in killing Roe v Wade Jennifer. So I read somewhere that people are really really dead. Is he at making predictions even when they at least political predictions, even when they're they're really informed on the issues, which I'm I would say, I'm not especially on the temperament of each individual justice, but God, I don't know I guess what I would say is we are heading that way unless we get a grip on our election system and come to grips with insecure the insecurities of our election system including as to down state races, which if this does get turned over to the states those will matter a whole lot and really there are just no election Integrity controls, especially as to those down Valerie races. And of course, that is my life issues that sort of like a Rorschach inkblot. I see everything through the lens of election Integrity, but that is I mean, I do think we are heading that way unless we have a real And how much they come to Jesus some real Reckoning and aware of Awakening about the vulnerabilities in our system. And we need a way to verify election outcomes that we really failed to implement between 2016 and now well and that's the other problem that and and I'm going to need I'm going to have you try ma'am this one but the wage the question into the Jennifer this is why like I really wanted to get you on we are already seeing in Virginia Florida where the wires were cut, you know off last day of the registration out here in California Baldwin Park. They set fire to a ballot drop box. I don't know if you until you know about that Jim. Yeah, I think I saw that yeah. Yeah, which you know, so obviously and then I just saw today and this is where you know, well, I'll give both of your opinions on it a cop in, New Jersey. Florida with the trump-pence. Oh, yeah. I saw that voter intimidation voters just a few things. Go ahead. Let's the question. I'm sorry what I mean, here's my problem. When is that? You know here we have like all we want is a you know, a fair election process and it's looks like the GOP is doing everything they can to make it seem fair election process Jenny. Yeah. Well, they absolutely are and then we we ourselves the Democratic party has a real blind spot where the possibility that they would actually rig the vote totals electronically as well and that blind-spot worries me a great deal. All of the experts said after 2016. The one thing we needed to have was robust module audits for every race using a reliable record of voter intent, which most most experts say should be a hand marked paper ballots. So you would conduct like not not a full recount for every race that game. Like a statistically meaningful sample of the ballots and compare that against the electronic totals and it would have to be required by law so that it would have some teeth to it. Like if you found a problem, it could escalate to a full manual recount. I could actually change the outcome to reflect the correct outcome utter failure the GOP blocked legislation the pave act that would have required the one type of manual election audit that all experts pretty much recommend which is called a risk limiting audit. So the GOP blocked that it would have required it for all federal races. Only three jurisdictions three states wage laws. Now that require this type of audit and even they only require it for a couple of races and we are really looking at a massive effort by the GOP not just as to the presidency that may have been on the State Legislative races for a decade and we do not have any mechanism to confirm the veracity of election outcomes as we head into twenty-twenty wage. That is a an essential failure of all election officials in the swing States. The three states that did these risks limiting on its by the way our Colorado Road Island and Virginia, but even Virginia as there was a recent article that said well, it's great that they're doing this great procedure, but they do it after the results are finally finalized. So it actually has no ability to correct the election outcome. It won't matter. I mean, maybe you could do some complicated, you know in and out in the courts, like can you somehow go through the courts sideways, but officially it doesn't matter. It's like you do it you're required to do it, but officially it it's illegal Melody and so long we need to find ways to try to verify these outcomes one way or another and you know, I'm working on a variety of projects but none of them are going to be as good as if lawmakers and election officials have done their freaking job and you know implemented these this ability to verify electronic outcomes in November. We don't have birth And that's it's it's really upsetting unacceptable and Glenn. Like how about this cop wearing this mask? I mean that's voter intimidation. Isn't that illegal? Yes, and I think that he should be it should be promptly pulled from Duty and hopefully fired and I'd be I'd be really curious to ask Jenny if I can John and it it's one of those things about predicting the future but I guess we have we know Mitch McConnell's number, right? He was going to kill all legislation that he wanted to kill and that was basically everything anything to protect elections. But yes, and what do you think the prospect is? Let's assume that the Dems take control. What do you think the prospect is that we can then put meaningful election security legislation in place. They you know, before the Republicans take over again and do everything, you know, they have been doing to keep trying to achieve I would be cautiously optimistic but it is not a sure thing because wage. The Democrats have fallen victim to a lot of the misinformation that spread by voting machine vendors about you know the the else and they'll say things like our systems never connect to the internet, even though independent experts all say that many of them do through, you know, these wireless modems that have been installed in since about 2015. They believe the election they believe the vendors and then the election officials believe the vendors and then the lawmakers believe the election officials and it's just sort of Circle of misinformation that's out there. And unfortunately, it's a lot of accounts, you know with blue check marks and I'd say about half of the mainstream media gets it right and sees through it and about half of it sometimes even within the same, you know, like the New York Times. Sometimes they'll do an article by someone who's really great like Kim zetter and then other times they'll do an article by somebody else that repeats all of the misinformation from the vendors and it's just really hard to get traction for Meaningful reform that way. I hope that Senator Ron Wyden though would be at the birth. Front of any such effort because he seemed to be the only member of Congress as far as I could tell who really got it. Are you going to offer services Jen to the I always would it's you know, it's of course I would but I don't I don't know. I I don't imagine that most of them will be reaching out to me Senator wyden's office did but other than and not not so much and I'm sure most of many of them care about election security are aware of my account at this point, but they've that's that's why I'm not I'm not that I am. Yeah, we'll have a lot of luck than we do currently but you know, there are a lot of cut around the devil's in the details. And so yeah, we'll probably maybe get them to agree to require some form of manual audit but then elect officials will complain and say it's too much trouble and to do a really meaningful one and so it'll get watered down and and then the whole meaning of reliable paper trail is God that's been the last three years trying to confirm. The Democrats argue that touch paper from touch screens is not considered really reliable because nobody looks at it and especially for those down ballot races. It's an invitation for fraud really to flip those races or delete them and nobody's going to notice and if even if they do, you can't prove that you just didn't hit the button that it wasn't your own fault. Well, I'll tell you what, I have a few Congress people on this show Joe and I'm going to I'm going to ask David cicilline and Carolyn Maloney to make sure that they put your name in the Hat and Glenn. You have to be attorney general. Yeah, and I mean quite frankly if they were to reach out to me would really do. I mean, I would love to have a conversation with them and just sort of communicate my overview visions of where the issues have been cuz I really have followed the the markets closely, but I would refer them to probably two people in particular her see who I'm sure they know who's an internationally-renowned election security expert and he absolutely gets it and understands that we shouldn't be naive about the possibility of Nefarious actors even within, you know, not just wrong. But the GOP I'm not speaking for him. I'm I'm reading between the lines but and Maryland marks at who's at the Coalition for good governance and did not really she actually got paperless touchscreens deemed unconstitutional in a federal court to rule that in a state of Georgia, which is historic but those two in particular would and Susan Greenberg all so I I mean certainly I would have a lot of important referrals to make yeah because I mean, yeah, cuz this is this is ridiculous is supposed to be the most powerful country in the world and we came back and have a fair election. I mean, it's just insane. Well, yeah, I mean part of the problem is our ballots are really really long compared to other countries or so. I've been told and therefore we use a lot more Machinery than other countries do and as soon as you get into Machinery, especially from private vendors you get into it really makes it very very difficult to exercise any kind of oversight and it gets very complicated and then election officials just really relieved. And with these private vendors say and you know America's largest vendor is donated $30,000 to the Republican State Legislative committee since 2013 and does not appear to have donated. It's just very unsettling fact. We don't really know what the hell is going on. And so it's it's really a blackout. Well, this scares me and Glenn is that Donald Trump, even though you can't obviously everything home as we're tweets is just the lie, but he's like tweeting how confident he is that he's going to win. That scares me only because does he know something that we don't offer, you know, he might I don't know what Putin told him this morning, but I I don't I don't believe for a minute he's going to win and Jenny's commentary scares me considerably and I follow her and I it's it's always great. Yeah, it's thought-provoking this person and I am definitely not a voting expert voting security expert I just you know with dead Finger in the wind and seeing what happened to the 2018 midterms when you know, we as a people Americans were abused pretty good by the Trump Administration before June. Yeah holes in 2018 and we flipped 41 seats in the house. We have been abused like a thousand times more now than we were prior to the 2018 election. I should say 223000 times more by the criminal. I think the criminal deaths that were caused by Donald Trump the coronavirus deaths cage. That's something we're going to have to take up a January because he absolutely Bears criminal responsibility for all of that. I was pleased to see Laurence tribe actually came around to that position. I think yesterday and it's week but off but I think that the people in 2016 when they were pole and I'm going to go out of my my my little comfort zone here for a minute. I'm not a political analyst wage. I think they sat there and they took calls from posters and they said yeah, I'm going to vote for Hillary and then when it came time to go to the polls, they were like, yeah, Hillary's going to win. I'm not that excited. I'm not going to go to the office. I'm not I think now people are so damn excited to get Trump out of the White House that they're standing in line for 11 hours as we've seen them, you know, the other record Gump's votes, even though a lot of that I think is attributable the coronavirus right? That's why people are voting early, but I just think I think the tables are so turn off in this election that I am expecting to see a landslide. I'm not getting cocky. I'm not getting overconfident. I am expecting to see an absolute Landslide against Donald Trump and for Joe Biden home. Well, here's the good news. I mean, I will say I mean, I feel that incredible enthusiasm as well and you know real anger toward the Trump Administration and I don't think many of those people waiting in line for you know, eight hours in, Georgia. So we're waiting for Trump and I think it becomes much more difficult for you know Bad actors to change election outcomes. If they think the populace is going to rise up and walk, you know, the people that sort of in positions of influence in the media and elsewhere may not accept the result because so we really but we need to have those poles be extremely in Donald Trump's I mean a Ninja Gaiden favor, especially in the Battleground States. I just we don't we we didn't verify the validity of the 2016 election and I just want to leave enough room. I don't watch a kid ourselves that it's off the table that they would change vote totals electronically mostly because I don't want because it's true and be it locks candidates into conceding if everyone is out there messaging, you know, the our system is so secure and it just really couldn't happen and it probably didn't happen and it was truly Hillary's fault because you know, you didn't say that but a lot of people say, you know, she should be It here. She should have done that or it just didn't like her. It makes it really very difficult for individual candidates who lose despite the polls saying that they should win a contest their election outcomes. And if they don't contest them because we don't have these manual audits. We are talking about completely unverified electronic outcomes with systems that absolutely could be changed not just by Russia and perhaps even more likely by domestic actors. It's just not hard. They they are absolutely centralized via these County systems that program all the voting machines and aggregate all the precinct off and if there is not good controls and no transparency as to who specifically is has access to those systems and who's doing the programming it's farmed out to third-party vendors here and third-party vendors year and we just need to keep that door open so that we don't make it really really awkward for our candidates and we need to pressure if they do lose if by them does lose them. We need not be gracious this time if the polls suggested of one or even if they just say it was close. We we can't be gracious this time. You know, maybe I'm not saying Biden should come out and say what I'm saying, probably not but I think that we ourselves need to be clear that I don't know. What happened Buster audio. Yeah, can you hear me now? Yeah. Yeah, and that goes for down-ballot to I am so worried. I don't know what's going on with your audio is going in and out. Jennifer what's going on sweetheart? Nope, can't hear you anymore when in the meantime, but I do want to ask. I do want to ask Jennifer about Georgia. But and why I thought the Supreme Court already said that Donald Trump's tax returns could be released. Why is it going to them again? Here's why because the first attack that Donald Trump launched Against The sidebands subpoena for his tax returns was that I'm a king. I'm beyond the reach of the criminal justice system and I have absolute immunity. That is the limited issue that then got litigated up through the courts until the Supreme Court said, you're not a king you're subject to the, you know, criminal justice system like everybody else and you can make whatever attacks Against The subpoena any other mere mortal it again could make so wage. Unfortunately, they only decided that one limited issue and then it went back down to the court and he made all the standard run-of-the-mill challenges Against The subpoena, but the two things first of all, I think we should all be thrilled that and comforted by the fact that Gorsuch and ruled against Trump in his tax case, right? That's a nice sign of things to come in my opinion in any election challenge that makes its way up to the Supreme Court cuz the one thing I will say is yes the Supreme Court might muck with the ACA them luck with Roe v Wade, they might muck with oberg Rafael which I think is a special kind of sin if they say you can't marry who you love the government gets to prohibit that I don't think they need to throw this this this election to a corrupt president because this is a guy who's been trying to put himself beyond the reach of the Supreme Court all along and wage. His only two dang appointees got their hands on a case where Donald Trump was trying to say, I'm beyond the reach of the law. They both said no your not the reason we're back down in the trial court, then the Appellate Court again, and now up to the Supreme Court, maybe in the tax litigation is because once the Supreme Court ruled, he's not beyond the law then he got to go back down into the New York trial court and argue two things. Okay, if I'm not above the law, I want to make two more arguments The subpoena is overly broad. It's not and The subpoena was issued in bad faith faith. It's not done for thirty years. I issued subpoenas thousands of financial records subpoenas get issued Everyday by grand juries and they they are as broad as we want them to be trust. So that's why the trial court laugh Trump's lawyers out of court the Appellate Court again. Laughs Trump's lawyers out of court, and now he's trying one last effort to get it back up to the Supremes and the Supreme. Should say go the heck away. This is not a constitutional issue any longer. It is a vanilla run-of-the-mill, you know complained about a subpoena be too broad. The Supreme Court should absolutely not accept this case for review a second time and we're going to know I'm going to go out on a limb again and I'm My Own Worst Enemy and I'm going to say they will not because there is no constitutional issue to be decided and that's the only time that and when there's a split between two federal circuit courts and the Supreme Courts like okay, we got to resolve this because we have to have one unified Federal interpretation of the Constitution. There's no reason absent politics. There's no reason off the pream korte to take a second crack at the side van subpoena case all that. I would say is on the merits. I think you're probably right what I can't what so hideous took the Trump Administration is that we never know exactly what we're dealing with. So we don't know if we're dealing with just the merits or if there is blackmail going on in the background because this Administration is that bad off and you know, there was Kavanaugh had some loan that somebody paid and we don't know what was up with that and with the Justice Stevens retirement Russia hacked smart Tech, which is the company that had all of the bushes. Ministrations emails and you don't have George Bush endorsing Biden, which I can't believe he doesn't want to I mean, at least I find it odd that he hasn't come out and endorsed Biden. That's what I didn't even think about that. Cuz everybody else seems to eat even today oranssi chair steel came out in favor abide. Yep, and they're so Russia apparently hacked emails that were kept down at Smart Text server. And that was the bush White House had like twenty two million emails there. It was Karl Rove who's now working for trump. It was you know, I'm sure it was Bush himself and I just I just worry that we can't analyze these things, you know, you have to analyze them to separate ways one on the merits and what do we think? They really want to do I kind of agree that they probably don't they probably don't want to see Trump in office, but I think there's a lot of strings being pulled and even if it doesn't rise to exactly blackmail there has been this long slot by the religious right to you know dead. Take over this supreme court and sort of issue in a theocracy some version of a theocracy and they see Trump is facilitating that and Biden is not facilitating that and so I just don't know really what strings being pulled and that's not a prediction. It's just a concern but let me ask you both of you guys. You're both lawyers to lawyers in a comedian walk into a book. But anyway, but like with Clinton and you know, Jennifer watched Us in Georgia like this African American could tweeted a line. He says I've waited eleven hours, but I'm still getting my downloading yet in the white precincts they get right in and out, but they make it harder for you know, the black precincts that can't be legal to show intent. But know that there was a lawsuit filed by Marilyn marks. I mean, she's the same one who got the touch screens deemed unconstitutional one thing that nobody cares about everybody thinks it's wrong. Boring, it's not as sexy issue. Is it touch screens cause long lines and they take I mean according to a Pennsylvania State Department study the touch screens there these SMS new version of touchscreens to voters three times as long to use as hand marks paper ballots. And so, you know in voter suppression States, it's not really surprising that they would want equipment that they can Dole out the working equipment and have power issues here and there and it would create longer lines and now it's not just limited to the touch-screen voting machines. There are electronic poll books that they're very enamored with and that one thing that has me very worried is the largest these are just check in computers and they also use them to activate the voting machines, but they connect to Wi-Fi and they connect to Bluetooth and the largest one in the country. It's in twenty-five or twenty-six States and Canada is called knowing and its was founded by a former Republican election official from st. Louis and his product manager campaign is a campaign for Ed Martin who's now the president of the Philippines. If we Eagles it opposes the Equal Rights Amendment and these electronic poll books are going down right and left and it's kind of an they've been around for years. But the massive proliferation of them has been since 2016 massive so off they went through they had connectivity issues throughout Los Angeles County. They've had they were largely apparently to blame for long lines in Georgia in the primaries and wage. I believe also with the recent lines. I don't know if I think some of them are going down but that's just another problem that we have with so much equipment being used is that you also can't prove intent on a software is proprietary. So you end up having to take their word for it. It was a programming glitch. It was this area was it that error and then it becomes just very difficult to prove intent. And and by the time you get it all figured out. Anyway, the election is odd or you know on the suppressing the minority vote front is what gives me so much hard firm. So, you know, we all know Mitch McConnell has been wage. Jamming judges, including not qualified, which is the ABA rating not unqualified, but it's not qualify. He's been craving not qualified judges down Americans throats now her ears and that's what I don't think people necessarily realize when they just hear about the numbers how many judges have been crammed down on there are 53 Appellate Court Federal appellate courts judges among the circuit courts that Mitch McConnell has Grant down our throats 53 and what's important about those judges is they are the real real leaders of of power when it comes to deciding cases because you can appoint all of the not qualified trial court judges in the federal district courts you want and they can only do so much damage because they don't create precedent. They don't create law. They just decide the legal issue and decide the case in front of them and it's when it goes up to the appellate courts, that's when it's created that ends up binding the entire country across all wage. Federal jurisdictions, that's where the power is. He's appointed 53 of these people guess how many were African Americans? 10000. Oh my God. These are the people how's that for a representative cross-section of our great diverse country. These are the people who are going to be creating precedent because all of those cases that get decided by that middle management of our Judiciary, none of it almost none of it's statistically is going to go up to the Supreme Court unless there's some huge constitutional issue or a split among the federal circuit's so these are the people voting rights cases to cases. So they are going to continue to cut voting rights. They're going to continue to affirm voter suppression every chance they get and it's this powerful middle management of the judicial branch that we have to tackle. Of course the way we talk and it's not that hard is by upping the number of Appellate Court judges, which is entirely constitutional. It can be done by simple legislation and the Appellate Court judges and all dead. The circuits have been yelling and screaming for more judges for years because they're overworked. It's a win-win-win and it neutralizes the not qualified and perhaps racist Mitch McConnell appellate judges. All of this is doable if we have the political will to do it. We also don't we also have to worry about this state judges that are on the ballot right now. I mean, I talked with David Pepper who's the chair of the Ohio Democratic party and he's just really really worried about State Legislative races and state judges cuz he said that they would be voting on the new redistricting which is in twenty Twenty-One. They're going to know if it's voting but deciding in one way or the new maps and those will to a large extent influenced the control of the House of Representatives for a decade. He said the new maps based on the new census. Yeah. We do have to work the state judges as well. There's a lot of worry about that's why if you hear that there's a suspicious outcome on a state race State judge race, you know, not a conspiracy theory too. I don't or even if it is we should challenge those dead. Challenge those you know, unexpected glitchy anomalous outcomes because yeah, we could lose out on make it very very difficult to control the House of Representatives going forward. We have have it now Jennifer Jillian lehrman has a question and thanks for the stupid chats guys always send me super chats to show doesn't pay for itself but June, this is Jen. I sent to my ballot in New York City and my counted I hope so if if New York City has ballot tracking you should take advantage of it. You can check your I would just be easiest just to call your county election office and ask if there's a way to track your ballot and if there is it and see if it's been received. So yeah, you know, the the brake problem with vote-by-mail is I mean, there are lots of obstacles weather lots of potential obstacles to even getting it into the scanners, you know, the signature match and all of that. I don't know what the fuc. Images are in New York. I worry I was actually maybe wrongly but I was more worried initially just about that hundreds of thousands and I was thinking millions of Voters were not going to receive their vote-by-mail bath time. I actually suspect that still the case and that was sort of my initial like, oh my God, we're all going to do vote by mail. But what if people just don't get them on time and that was even before the post office, you know crashed or was it was Jennifer's dad like people with a mail-in ballots if their signatures from fifteen years ago twenty years ago and cuz mine has changed and morphed into a million different ways. I mean, you know, they don't count that vote. I mean, that's why you know, I'm going in person. It's very concerning apparently if you're in a I think they call them the Motor Voter states where you're registered through the the Envy at least that's how I did it in California as long as your signature matches your driver's license. That's an easy way to check if you have to actually go into the election office and check what you can do. It's just it's kind of a hassle birth. Actually in the middle of a pandemic but yeah, there's a lot of I mean I vote by mail. I'm also in California though. I'm not in a swing state and ideally I think the best method honestly putting aside Cove. It's for security would be hand marks paper ballots in person on Election Day, cuz then you have that you have the hand Mark paper ballot record of voter intent and you don't have to worry about whether you know, right on the spot whether it got into the machine and she can make a Ruckus. If for some reason they're challenging you, you know, what's going on in your right there to fix it. But you know with the pandemic I can't I certainly understand why there has been was such a big push for vote-by-mail, you know, I don't know and there are unfortunately as some in-person voting there is still there are these touch screens and electronic poll books and some places which I don't recommend I would actually prefer vote-by-mail to those. It's a balancing of risks. Nothing's perfect. You just mitigate the risks to the extent you can so often and and glad I mean did U jaw drop see in the California GOP out here set up illegal ballot boxes. They never cease to amaze wage. I mean and then they just have no it doesn't matter. It's like maybe it will eventually but they have no shame. They they were like, yeah, we did it. So what no, we're not going to take them down. So what that was the last I saw from heard of it off Bill bar, you know, everybody asks all day long. Can they get away with that? Isn't that illegal? Why isn't anything being done about it towards Bill bar at least on the federal level? It's it's yeah, I mean, yeah, I was I was shocked by that in I thought I was done being shocked. It's just so Brazen and they're everywhere. That's the thing. It's not just Trump, you know, it's not even just the Republican and it's they're everywhere putting fake ballot boxes up. And what were they planning to do with those ballots? I mean, I think I read their outside of gun store. So maybe they weren't planning if they'd been in a democratic area. It would have been even more suspicious I guess but I know Democrats by guns too, but not as many gun stores churches, you know, they put him in all where you would expect the Republican to go but you know, like off balance went in there. Who knows if they would even without submit my initial thought is oh my God, they they put fake ballot boxes in to get the Democratic ballots and throw them out. But then when I heard they were outside of gun or I thought okay. Well, I guess they're just trying to facilitate their own voting but it's you know hypocritical and they don't give a crap if they're hypocritical. They they don't care. I know and that's what's so sad, but no dead. Do anything either one of you guys know because I keep seeing this that Ivanka Trump has patents and voting machines. Oh my God. I'm so glad you asked me that. There is this is I have repeated this phrase. So many times on Twitter. There is no credible Source claiming that her machines have been made much less sold anywhere much less in the United States. And yes, we almost certainly would not if they had been in the United States. She got a trademark. She did not get a patent and it it is, you know, when I first saw it too, I think it was crew that and that found a confirmation and yet struck me as odd but I maybe Glenwood know this better than I would but I mean apparently you can get a trademark just for defensive purposes so that somebody else doesn't get the trademark. Although it's still weird. She would get them for voting machines, but I do not it's maybe ominous for the future but not by which I don't mean November. I mean further out. I don't believe that there has been that there are any Ivanka off. Machines anywhere. I think that would have leaked out most. I mean most are you know their certification processes that suck but at the at least the machines makers are generally identified if nothing else. I mean, you don't know who's behind em, like if you Ivanka is a shareholder or something, but you at least know that it's you know, terrible e s n s or terrible Dominion voting or you know City heart whatever whatever it is, you know with where they came from. So if it was Ivanka off that would have gotten out. Yeah, that's because I cuz like there's so much crap in the news Glen. I'm sure you know what to like, it's hard to know. What is true and what isn't anymore. I mean it just always think it's a hot bath. I mean every time I post something about malfunctioning machines people people ask me if it's if it's Ivanka and it happens with such frequency that yeah, it gets home. It almost seems like there's Bots out there asking this question every day. I know you're not a bot John and so know when you say John there's so much in the news. I mean, look at we're talking about the the hunter Biden lap dog. Story I mean not only do we have you know, crazy Rudy Giuliani running around saying this laptop smelled like one Hunter Biden but we have government officials who then prop up the story whether it's Ratcliffe the appropriately-named Radcliffe or you know, who and who really irritates me because he lied about being a terrorism prosecutor and a 30-year prosecutor takes that really personally when somebody like about being a terrorism prosecutor, but there is is the dni but then you have Lindsey Graham for gosh sakes John behind the hunter Biden laptop story. He wants to subpoena the head of Twitter and the head of Faith to get to the bottom of why they refused to deceive the American people by carrying the false Hunter Biden laptop story. So, how are we how are we trying to figure out what's real? What's fake? What's Russian propaganda? What's this information? What's just bad reporting? There is no there's no good filter through Just to put this stuff anymore, whether it's a bunka, you know trade marks on voting machines or Hunter fiber stops because government officials like Mike Pompeo and Radcliffe and other Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell are willing to prop up the fall cities that that they think will win them votes or win them points exactly and they're not just willing they're doing it deliberately and off and they're doing it in a coordinated fashion to I was with talking points and stuff. I mean, we're we're really Russia light as far as propaganda. I think that this has been their playbook that a flood zone wish it was with Steve bannon's called it and I mean, you know, he he said that once an interview celebrating his own hideousness and they call it the firehose of falsehoods, I guess and you know, that's sort of the office is for it. And that's what they're doing because the idea is and then the idea ultimate goal is to show that everybody's equally bad to create that impression and that you don't know what's real and what isn't and so therefore you might as well vote fraud. And instead everybody everybody sucks. Everybody's equally bad and it's just not true. But that's that's the goal of it inside chaos corruption thrives and that's why Trump continues to try to create as much chaos as he can because then he gets the grift and scam and skim and be corrupt amidst the chaos and go ahead and adapt and Pharrell from Belgium has a month for you John. Could you ask when when does all this scheming become treason? You know, none of it probably technically qualifies as treason. Here's the thing every time we see a potential Trump crime, we ask ourselves. Oh my God, can he be prosecuted for that? I don't I no longer care about how many different things we can prosecute Trump for because just as when I had a defendant who maybe had four or five or six bodies do his credit and killed that many people and unfortunately what I learned as a homicide prosecutor is that yep Somebody pulls a trigger once the inhibition that sort of wall of inhibition comes down and they kill over and over and over again. So a lot of defendants have multiple times to their credit. I didn't care so much. I don't want to be callous because I'm a victim intermissions family needed to have their day in court but my goal was I want to go against the strongest. I want to bring this from discharge first because in Washington DC it would carry wage of a mandatory minimum thirty years in prison, if you convict somebody a first-degree premeditated murder, so and then we'll worry about all of the other crimes thereafter because you can only confine a person about one life, right? Donald Trump has committed so many crimes, you know, even starting before his campaign Finance violation and conspiracy to violate campaign Finance laws Michael Cohen that I could prove in my sleep in to a jury give me 30 minutes, right the co-defendant already pled guilty and accepted responsibility for that crime, obviously before that. He's committed all kinds of financial birth. Bank fraud Insurance brought tax fraud all of which is being investigated by DEA Vance. But then I mean he committed, you know ten counts of felony obstruction of justice. He committed couch witness tampering and he's he he's obstructed Congressional inquiries for gosh sakes by standing up and saying all of my executive branch officials will wrongfully criminal family refused to comply with lawfully issued Congressional subpoenas. He's committed false statements in his written answers to to Bob Mueller. He has committed tens of thousands of counts of either voluntary manslaughter or negligent homicide depending on the jurisdiction you are in for the way. He handled the cobit prices. There are so many crimes that you know what let's not worry about trees in which requires us, you know being involved in the war at the time, you know, and let's just bring the strongest charges beginning in January begin presenting that evidence to the grand jury. So the grand jury sitting as the conscience of the community Can start to make some decisions about what indictments to bring and let's not worry about the reach crimes. Let's just saw the criminal would in front of us because all of that will result in a life sentence wage is just amazing. I mean how I mean he's going to jail if he is this is my biggest concern and Jennifer. This is I guess yours is as well is that he knows that he's going to go to jail. His family is probably going to go to jail. So he wants to stay, you know as president as long as he freaking can that's why I think he must be on the phone with Putin life. He's he's trying his damnedest to me. Need Putin. That's what's so scary. You know, I've gone back and forth on I have my suspicions about the 2016 election. I do not know whether vote em were changed or not. I kind of leaned one way or the other it changes over time the more more I read about it. But I mean, we really can't forget or underestimate the threat of potential domestic dog. Hacking and one of the things that really reminds me of that I interviewed Don siegelman. Well, I've interviewed him several times actually, but initially several months ago, who was the former Democratic governor in Alabama? He's actually Alabama's last Democratic governor and Karl Rove kind of got his feet wet to a large extent in Alabama filling up the courts this Alabama Supreme Court with you know, with Republican operatives and probably unqualified and on his so he was he had been done siegelman had been Governor lieutenant governor Secretary of State and attorney general and he was considered perhaps the most popular politician in Alabama of all time. He was predicted to win his re-election and he ran against a guy who's campaign manager was Karl rove's buddy age group is all over the election like white on rice and on Election night a siegelman was declared Victorious. And then this one Republican County one Precinct the totals changed after they sent every month. Home from the courthouse. They would post the totals outside the courthouse and 6,000 votes were removed from from siegelman's Total and it's Republican County and then it was one Precinct. So it would not have been hard to recount. They actually had paper ballots and marked paper ballots, but Karl rove's client was also the Alabama a g and They seized the paper ballots that night or the next very next morning before birth and certified the result prematurely and illegally and the courts were all loaded up with Carl Rose people and then they and then they came up with ginned-up charges against Don siegelman and sent went to prevent him from running again and sent him to prison on a really dramatically expand expanded non-existent crime. And you know, we just cannot he's just says we anybody would be naive to think that they wouldn't it just says his race was stolen. He's it's actually quite refreshing. He's the only but I mean he's been in prison. He got locked up by these nuts. He's the only Democrat I think who is suspicious the race was dead. Who actually will just say it I mean apparently Max Cleland was quite suspicious John Kerry has said fifteen years after the fact that they were suspicious about two thousand and four, but nobody wants to say it at the time and money, you know, Karl Rove. So if there was a republican whistle-blower who said that Karl Rove told her that you could change an election outcome rig an election outcome. As long as the polls were with and read a 4 percentage-point. We need to make sure we are well beyond. Yes, and that's that is largely that's where the disinformation is. Really. I mean, that's why I don't think the Republicans do one thing either and neither. Can we we certainly don't want a ringtone but it does matter challenging all of the court of public opinion matters because we need the court of public opinion to agree that it something is wrong. If it doesn't go the way that it appears. It should go. Well, you know, what concerns me did I do you guys ever see the documentary outfoxed? Yes. Yeah. Did you see it one? Not in this is what this is what I'm really afraid of to Thursday. That what happened in the bush or bush-gore election. Is that someone in Florida a reporter for for the study area for home? But news was like Bush's cousin or whatever it was. He said he declared Bush the winner in Florida way before the polls had closed and then the other networks picked up on that story and what I'm so afraid of is that NBC CBS, you know took the fox but Trump is going to say that he one can practically hear the music playing whatever that election night music is. Yeah. Yeah, and then he's going to say that he won in the other networks and now going to follow the exact same dumb lead and report on that and then people aren't going to go to the polls because they think it's over but you know what there is more to that story though too is there actually was an electronic mishap there was a game. A memory card that subtractive 16,000 votes from Gore's total in Volusia County Florida. And this was written up in the New York Times in 2018 by Kim zetter and they actually the lawyer said that there was a second memory card which there should never be and that when it was when the second memory card was inserted that the 16,000 votes were needed apparently and so that was the but the memory that second card has never been retrieved. They're internal memos from the vendor, you know referencing it and it's just kind of this but but yeah, so there are a lot of layers to that and off. Yeah, I mean you could you could do you could also just Change Report and total so, you know, it'd be the kind of thing that would be discovered later. But the the online reporting systems are online and so you could just change what the report at home or in fact, that's what Russia tried to do in Ukraine. Or actually it actually did it actually do it. I don't know they tried to do it in Ukraine what they're reporting system. They were caught but then Russia actually even announced the wrong winner in the election. I think this was in 2018 and it wasn't even really believable though. Nobody would have believed it. It was a it was should have been a landslide the other direction. But yeah, you could do that kind of thing. And then all of Transporters will think there's something fishy and that I'm afraid it because then he's going to declare a victory and then and then, you know, even though all the votes haven't been counted and then after life on November 5th, it'll be proven that Biden one, but then it'll go to the Supreme Court and that's what scares the crap out of me. Cuz if you go in court then Amy Coney Barrett and you know, they have the majority. Are they going to just say Trump one? That's where Glenn thinks maybe not right? And I hope you're right. And I also think and maybe prevent I think Amy Coney Barrett wage. I was minimally comforted by anything. She said and I really think Comfort is an overstatement, you know when she talked about the recusal issue, right? Because Donald Trump said I'm installing her. I'm going to paraphrase now, so she will corruptly throw me the election. Here's the thing. The legitimacy of the Supreme Court will hang in the balance in a big way and perhaps irreparable way the law of Rome choosing yourself from a case right for a conflict says that if you have an actual conflict, I don't think she does but if you have an appearance of conflict that cannot be overcome, you must be recused yourself. Now, let's set aside that the rules for The Supremes our little flexible, but the the process is first she has to review all of the case law all of the took it and the history around recusal then she has to consult with the other eight justices to decide whether she helped to recuse herself, I believe Robert, I believe all of the justices will say because Donald Trump told the American people who was putting you on the court so you could corruptly throw the election his way. You must log Recuse if we are to preserve the legitimacy of the Supreme Court, if I had to bet $1 of my own money, that's always my Max limit because I'm not a gambler. I would be $1. First of all, I don't think that an election challenge will make its way up to the Supreme Court. But if it does, I believe Amy Coney Barrett will recuse she might not be happy about it. But I believe Rob and the others will say a decision in which you participate that throws the election to Donald Trump will never be accepted as legitimate by that the citizens of of the the United States of America there for the legitimacy of the Supreme Court will be at an end and you must remove yourself from this decision. I don't think we're going to get there but I think that's the way it could play out both want to say I I hope you're right and you might very well be right on the on the other hand. I mean we do have John Justice Roberts and Kavanaugh and dead. Isn't there oh and you may Coney Barrett. They all worked on they all helped with the you know, Bush stop the two thousand recount. So but that was a different kind a challenge. I mean right now we know we have an okay. Yeah, we have an overtly criminal president who has done nothing but crime Griff steal and kill it's an it's order of magnitude perhaps but we went entered an illegal War we wage and that was before that was later. So yeah, that was after I don't know there was a card in Volusia County. I don't know. I hope you're right. I think they're pretty corrupt and but I think that Justice Roberts in I mean, I haven't studied his personality either but I would just guess someone who walked around in a robe all this time that he had probably enjoys his reputation as being a you know, legitimate scholar and just change and wouldn't want to just write that down the toilet. He did something with the ACA the frankly I think most legal Scholars, you know disagree with and he did because he wanted to preserve the Integrity of the institution off. Cares about his reputation, which is good. I don't know if Kavanaugh I drink beer or I like beer cares as much about his reputation, but fortunately, I I really hope that well, I didn't and Kamala Harris come into power. They do what I think has to be done, which is only the just thing which is that you let the FBI run a legitimate investigation into Kavanaugh as perjury I charge a new feature when you were moving again, that's an easy call based on the evidence. Now the politics of it is perhaps a more difficult but based on the evidence, that's an easy, Absolutely. That's a great idea. That's what they should not. Wait. Could you scroll me about that? What if I know he's I know he lied but which which lie you so let's go to the easy and obvious relish better kid from Jersey and Daniel probably relate to this. So one of the main issues involved the Christine blasey Ford allegation, right? Yep. Yep. Was testifying about issues that were material to that information that was relevant to that because materiality is an element of a false statement, but setting the legal weeds aside for a minute. He said things like am I the Devil's Triangle? What's that? It's a drinking game know it's not right. He said I signed my letters and this is going to be right up your alley John. I signed off letters fffff. Because one of our friends stuttered know he didn't you know what that means. I looked it up in the urban dictionary and talk to others who actually know what it means. It's 5 F words that are misogynistic find the feeling something else is something else and the last one is forget them. Yep. I know that took these are transparent Lies We all saw it in real time and boofing. Yeah lies lies lies lies. You don't just turn the other Cheek Song. Let you know felony fault which carry a five-year offense Pearl. I you don't let bygones be bygones. You hold a judge soon-to-be Justice at that point accountable for the long pole. That's only the right thing to do. That's not Victor's Justice. It's not Revenge. It is actual Justice and law enforcement and that's what the American people deserve. So that's why I thought all of these Political Criminals and their family members have to be made to account beginning in January. I agree with one little observation. I do I mean, I hope they need to get to the bottom of that $200,000 loan because I do think sometimes we have made a mistake or justice department has made a mistake of going after the lease defense and I do think even our impeachment inquiry. It's not that the Ukraine, you know extortion of Ukraine's government for dirt on biting wasn't a big deal. It was but I mean, he's done worse frankly and honestly baby the the deliberate family separations. Should have been article one and there must be something where they felt it was too fuzzy somehow with what Obama did I mean? That's that's all I can figure that. They didn't consider that an impeachable offense you clearly the level of the degrees are not the same by any means there was no deliberate policy punitive policy under Obama to punish families by yanking kids, whereas there was under Trump, but they must have just felt it wouldn't you know Fox News would wrong with it, but that it's sometimes going for the lease defense can backfire because it makes it seem like they're not as bad as they were so, you know saying theft when you're in college, you know, how many parents have college-age boys who you know might say write something similar down to lying about it as a future Supreme Court Justice is a whole different thing and and I you know, the the life sciences I would say we have to go with some of the most readily provable offences and I agree with gotta get to the bottom of the loans. I hate to say that you could actually come up with policy justifications for when some bath Comes to the country illegally with a child for separating the you know, there are policy justifications. I disagree with it. I think it's evil. I mean Stephen kids in cages Miller I think needs to be held to account off but you know, the other thing that I think is could say there's a policy justification for a shoving Jews into Evans as well. But it's like international criminal court crime your supposed crime against humanity. It just thought it was but the thing is I want to go with the most readily provable crimes that are Beyond dispute because I want them to be made FFF is just not I mean, yeah. All right fine, I'd be I just mm they need to find more dirt than that. But for example, like one part of the reason where I'm coming from is that the Obama Administration one thing they really really did blow it was on accountability. And they you know, they should have sorry I get work done this all the time don't I jumped never mind, but they they subpoena Karl Rove. He refused to respond to the subpoena. They just agreed to have him testify not testify chipshop off the Record behind closed doors with And they did not pursue any of the crimes. I don't think of the of the Bush Administration even when they found the documents they didn't. Not you know something's going on with you Jennifer you're coughing is now turned into a time frame. Hold on. Let me add you again and she's gone. But yeah, you know, first of all pyramid thing is the most incriminating because you know, what the Urban Dictionary describes as what pyramid is right? Tell me two guys having sex with one girl and if they ended the guys make eye contact, it's a foul that's what a pyramid is which would have been incriminating for him because he's been accused of him and his buddies, you know, attempting to rape this woman and that's more than one man. So the pyramid thing was totally incriminating to the I mean, he's he's lying because he knows wage. It would incriminate him. It was lie after lie after lie, and I understand some of them were juvenile lies, but they all add up and you know, and the point is if the FBI, I believe I I I, you know, listen I am still a big fan of big supporter of the FBI. I work Rico cases with them shoulder to shoulder and I can tell you yes, there may be a few bad apples and Michael Horowitz may have found them, you know, the thorny who actually changed an email and then put it in the Stream that ended up in a fisa application that is Criminal and that needs to be like run out of the FBI on a rail and how long has been but ninety-nine percent of the FBI agents are good hard-working honest ethical public servants. And what we need to do is just let them do their job which involves doing an investigation of the confirmation hearing of all of these Mitch McConnell judges, particularly the not qualified ones and guess what if there is no perjury in the in the testimony dead. Then they're in the clear and they're crazy right-wing ideologues, but we probably can't remove them from the bench. But if they lied big lies small, I I don't care. It's all going to add up and they need to be home. They need to be charged. They need to be impeached. They need to be removed from the bench. I mean, that's just the way the country's supposed to work it is but I guess what I was trying to say with Obama is it's not even just about it sucked into the bottom of the rod of what happened and digging it out whether it ends up being, you know, when you go just for the most the smallest offence that you're sure you can get a conviction on and just don't even investigate wage and publish your findings as to the the real more significant things. Even if you can't prove them Beyond a reasonable doubt, it's more likely than not or substantially more likely than not I mean in order to dig down the rot that we're in we need to know for example of where the $200,000 loan came from. We we need to know why Justice Stevens abruptly resigned, you know, we still need to know why curl, you know, what went wrong. Karl Rove in the firing of those us attorney's who didn't want to prosecute voter fraud and The Disappearance of the twenty million Bush emails. I mean, we maybe don't want to go emails particularly, but we need to dig down deep and figure out what the hell happened. How how exactly did we land here? Because it it wasn't just FFF on you know that but we need to get it out is all I'm trying to say in addition to getting convictions. You may be right you I'm sure you are right on the actual convictions. You want to go with the sure thing, but that doesn't mean we don't need to still investigate. Yeah, I'd like to investigate at all and get to the bottom of it all but most importantly and I shouldn't say most important because you're right if we don't dig it all out. We're never going to be able to grow a reliable Garden again not to sound like our dog being there. But but I think we have to get these nefarious actors that Mitch McConnell has played out and you know, we have we have another project, you know, the Citizens Brigade Court Watchers were you know, we're going to go into all of the federal district courts. We're going to watch Mitch McConnell's cruddy judges engage in judicial misconduct. And then all you do is go to Thursday. Of course. Gov and you file a complaint easy peasy, right? There were eighty three complaints against Brett Kavanaugh at the time. He was elevated and they all disappeared like Miracles because unfortunately that's the process. There's so many things that we the people can do and we can't just rely on our government officials to take the bull by the horns and actually address these issues that we're going to have to do especially with respect to the judges because frankly that is perhaps the single greatest danger. All those judges would like to end you're all fifty three of them who are going to be creating law albeit case law precedent that could destroy us and equality and voting rights and everything else that we now enjoy marriage equality could destroy at all if we don't grab hold of it and do something about it. Yeah, and let me ask you both the question which I know is is it'll probably never happen. But is there any chance we're ever going to get rid of this? Archaic Electoral College with Jenny and I don't know I'll pump that one to you. I have no idea. I haven't researched it at all unlikely. Yes, it seems like it's time has passed but I think it's unlikely we get rid of it. I mean it seems like so, you know convoluted but and how about I wanted to ask you something else about this? Oh Jerry Bob's during like, you know what? I mean? Is there any is there any way State races? That's the state lawmakers? That's David Pepper. I mean, he has been sounding the alarm. He actually wrote a series of books that are Thrillers page. That's how I came to know him because there are ostensibly about election security and they are technically fiction, but they're based on real vulnerabilities to clearly researched his stuff and how long And coincidentally his first one came out the people's house in 2016 and it was about how Russia could take over gerrymander everything but by stealing a bunch of house races in a way, that's the way it went. Maybe it wasn't gerrymandering but they stole a bunch of house races and based on electronic vulnerabilities that couldn't be detected in even though in this fictional World. They actually did Manual off the audits couldn't discover anything because the paper was the crappy unreliable paper that I've been talking about and it's so anyway, he's incredibly worried about gerrymandering and that we need to really focus on these down-ballot State lawmakers and judicial races. This year because they're going to vote next year. Yeah, and and you know, what about citizens united. Is there anything that can be done about that? I mean, it just seems like these are all things that are in favor of the GOP because the GOP I mean look, they're they're more people of color in this country the more women the youth. I mean, I mean the GOP is getting smaller and smaller and smaller, but they using everything they can to win because they can't because a majority of Americans are going, you know, I you know, here's what we need to have verifiable elections because if we so that we know for sure whether our strategies are working and when they're not working so that we can make Corrections when you kind of system that's not verifiable. You don't really know why you lost your races. So it would be helpful to have Clarity there because absolutely especially with the demographic shift and even cultural shift in the country who are dead. I do think that legislatively if we get enough Democrats in office, we can legislatively correct a lot of this stuff but we have to make sure that we can run the when there's racism to make sure that we can win those races Thursday. We need to have verifiable elections, which means unfortunately if we're going to use computers, I would rather get rid of them, but assuming we're going to keep using computers we have to have these robust manual audit transparent change of custody and actually meaningful reliable paper records. It can't be machine marked crap from touch screens. So then I think yeah, I think we can correct a lot of things but we just need to know what we're dealing with. Yeah, it is just so freaking scary and you know Glenn I watched re somebody on MSNBC terminal WhatsApp Ori Berman, you know, was he voter suppression know he was talking about how hi Mel Burton No, it was all about all the cons that Don is done from Trump University and like everything that he said that he was going to do how he supports Cole he hasn't done a damn thing for the coal industry and not everything that he said he was going to do he hasn't done. I can't imagine why anybody would vote for them. I mean because he hates he hates the way they hate and some people have a big bowl. Yeah, they had a big hole in their lives and that's why I don't call people maggots or deplorable Zori redeemables. There are people out there who have great big holes in their lives, right? They're not doing well and the only things some of them can find the fill it is hate and Donald Trump gives them that hey, he gives them somebody else to look down on because they could be out of work. They could you know have family struggles they could have addiction challenges, but you know what Donald Trump says this person over here. This minority is below me as beneath me and that makes me feel like at least I'm better than somebody Donald Trump knows as a con man that home To give people that sort of lowest common denominator of hate to fill them up and that's why they stick with them. I believe what we have to try to do Pollyanna though. It may sound is reach out to everybody like Biden wants to do and try to give them something other than hate to fill them up try to give them actual opportunity. I think most people would kind of want health care for themselves and their their family their kids. I would think they'd kind of want affordable college for their kids. There are things we can do to reach out to people who have nothing but Donald Trump's hate to fill them up. That's why they stick with him. Yeah, I guess some Gaijin. Oh Jennifer Jennifer we can't hear you again. I'm sorry. So he's also just really effective at propaganda. And I think I had really hoped that some of the mainstream, you know news commentators on T would have on Experts about propaganda and how to counter it because I think in addition to peddling and hate which is a huge huge part of it. I agree. He also though is he crazy? He made it like a club. I mean, he's like a mascot, you know, they have teddy bears with the you know, they have teddy bears with this to you know, like yellow to to pay looking thing on top and you know, they have them hats and they have their apparel and they go to these rallies. It's almost like they're, you know, like a Grateful Dead concert for them. It's it's their way of life. Now, he's made it their way of life change that has to be unhooked somehow and you know, we don't have that with Biden. I don't think it's even healthy. I'm not saying that we should have that with Biden, but we have to find a way to unpack. That somehow that you know, cuz he yeah, he made it their their identity. He Incorporated it kind of into their purse the way they view themselves and it's very hard to undo that but I'm sure there are ways but we need experts on propaganda and and cultism and such too and do that. All right. So let me ask you both. I mean get your opinions on this and then I'll you know, you know, I'll let you go crazy because and first I do want to say thanks to both of you. I know in instance. I love hearing from you. I love having you on I mean so, you know, you're always welcome and I found I think well so much. So what states are we going to take as far as as far as in the Senate? So are we going to take South Carolina? Jamie Harrison, I you know, I'm going to come at it if you took the election security part out of it. Yeah, I'd say we probably I'll just take that off for now. So I mean there's no breaking a vote totals. Yes. I think we would take South Carolina and I think we would take a Georgia to I mean Georgia has two very competitive races on the ballot. And again, those people are not lining up for eight hours to vote Republican know that I worry about cheating. So I don't know. Well, let's pretend there's no cheating because then yes then yes. How about now? Here's the big one then it's all Rosy is and if it's not there's always hope cuz you just fix it the next time, you know, it's we're dealing with a How about a male finalists because Amy McGrath seems to be leading in the polls in Kentucky. Is there any please let there be a God. Is there any way any McGrath could I could take Mitch McConnell? I don't know. I don't know either I would hope so but if we can flip the Senate Mitch McConnell becomes less important, but I mean the man is dead is I don't think people are evil. I've gone after so many serial killers in my life John and frankly not that many of them are evil. One thing. I've always said about all of the hundreds literally of murderers that I thought cases against most of them are challenged people with guns. A lot of them are impulsive kids with guns and they don't have impulse-control and they pull triggers over the slightest provocation right off my my arm rock or you bumped into my girlfriend. There's not a lot of evil that I've come across in my thirty years of prosecutor. There's some and Mitch McConnell seems kind of Evil Dead. Any any one man looking for the will of the American people who can take Dooley pass legislation from the house and say as one man, I'm going to deprive the American people of Iraq having these bills considered which I think it should have been challenged in court just like we should have put or such on the bench Obama should have said you have waived your right to advise through to advice-and-consent you flat-out wage that and then put him on the bench. You know, what the next thing Mitch McConnell would have had to have done he would have gone into court and prove to judge his satisfaction that he has the right to change the Constitution the advice and consent clause and he would a loss but we didn't do you do that? They should have done it. There was no way to do it people as well. Hillary will disappoint him the next thing, you know know you don't God you don't feed them off her. Analysis hard thing, even if there's a risk that you're going to lose you don't feed the monster, but we've been feeding the Republican monster for so long. Damn long that this is where we are. So I don't know why I got off on that ramp. But so that is just a very depressing. It was a task information. Yeah, we should have taken off of the tasks. I am pulling for Amy McGrath. I am too and I just you know, I actually haven't studied the race. I mean objectively I don't think most people are complete morons. So yeah objectively she should be able to get this race. I I just hear random comments from people, you know that say now just not going to happen. So I don't know but that that is so not as scientific or studied analysis. I have no idea. What do you think he I think that Mitch McConnell just might lose cuz Amy McGrath has way more campaign cash coming into, you know campaign. She's ex-military which which is very very strong, you know, especially in Kentucky. I think she has a chance because Mister Saddam has a chance. Yeah. I think he might do it and Mom Only in Arizona is going to win great Gabby Giffords. I mean, he's more than Kathy Giffords husband an astronaut. Yep, and I think I'm Sarah gideonse going to be Collins and Main, you know, I think that's a definite. And you know, who else is there? There's another there's another state that's really looks well. Georgia is the only one with two seats on the ballot this time and they are both considered toss-ups. At least as our last article. I saw it's a really really important one. Yeah, but have you guys voted already? Yeah. I voted in person here in Virginia about a week ago and the story that I told them it was almost like a carnival atmosphere very light-hearted very well attended and I I voted a couple of weeks after in-person voting started but it was still a steady stream of people and here's my favorite story a proposed. Nothing the person handing out the sample Republican ballot the person handing out the sample Democratic ballot were standing right next to each other one was a man woman with a woman. I don't remember which was which and I took one of them like very much at least two people getting like they were old friends which like okay. There's a little mini glimmer of hope if people from different parties can actually dead. Begin to talk again begin to you know, be civil with one another again, you know, that's a good start and that's you know, a representative sample of one. Yeah, I'm going to say my computer is about to die, but I don't think you know Biden was not my first choice or second or probably not my third but I do think he is has a unique ability possibly to heal some wounds and that gives me some hope as well and wage by the way, there are some election transparency projects. I'm not staying election Securities Hopeless by any means either protect our votes, We've got one where we're going to compare a Precinct results to report it totals to look and make sure there aren't any discrepancies they should match. So we're going to verify to the extent we can without the help of lawmakers and election officials. Well as much of other projects to I'll post them at the top of my Twitter app NE Kon one there a number one more question Jen for you go. Yeah. Can we vote early here in California? Do I have to wait for November 3rd? You can vote early at least with your mail ballot. You know, I watch I don't really study California. I just vote by mail in California. I've been so focused on the swing stage, you know, I'm sure I'm sure they probably have early voting in LA county and stuff. I just don't know if it's all over the state. So I don't know my mom's voting October 24th in New York. So I was just curious if you're new in California. I will tell you just go to your county election website and it will tell you but yeah, I shouldn't I'm not even sure actually the Los Angeles County does have it. I'm sorry. I should know the next time I'm going to study up on California law. I will let me know. I'm I'm getting my mail and I'm going to deliver it to a drop box one last question. If I don't talk to you before the page, where are you going to be watching the election results? And are you going to be at a party or you know, what? Are you guys going to be doing? I don't know. I've got off. Some you know, local neighborhood friends ladies who we've been on like a little chat about the election. So maybe I'll watch with them. But you know, there's also social distancing. I don't know. I mean, I'll probably have my laptop open as all I can say for sure to watch the returns and watch the county results as they come in and hopefully we'll have people screenshotting results to to make sure that County websites to make sure none go backwards is he doing stuff like that? This is going to be like the Superbowl for me. I'm going to have my Buffalo my wings my beer my pizza and just watched boxing and just pray that everything works out the way I expected to I'm With You John I'm going to have my nectar of the Gods past Blue Ribbon. My wife will have her wine and we'll have a pizza and we're just going to sit on the couch all night and watch the returns rolling. Yeah, I guess there will definitely be drinks and pizza for me as well. I just don't know if I'll be by myself on my thing or if I'll be you know at a party. Oh God. All right guys will listen that goes Jennifer. Thank you Jennifer Cohen and you can follow on Twitter at Jenny, one and Glenn. Is there anything that you want to promote? I mean, I'm on Twitter all day and night answering people's questions Glen Kirchner to my YouTube channel. I post a video a day about the crime dujour by Trump or Bill bar. Mike Pompeo. Also just under the name Glenn Kirchner and then I'm on patreon. So if you want to come and support the efforts it's this is an all-volunteer all family effort by us. You can go to patreon.com become a member become a member of Team Justice than I do a two-hour resume chat every Sunday night with lots and lots of people where I try to answer all their legal questions. So would love to have people come over to patreon.com. Oh Glenn just before you go good as gold says, can you ask when to explain his tweet earlier about the judge's comment? Yeah, so hm. Okay, so I was off. You know, we talked about the subpoena case in New York John which is trying they're trying to get it back up to the Supreme Court. If you'll remember Congress also subpoenaed mazars for tax information and for financial records one got sent back to the DC Court's the way the other one got sent back to the New York courts. Well today was the Appellate Court argument in that won the Congressional subpoena case and this really poor job. Naomi Rao Who was appointed by Donald Trump was questioning Doug letter who is the general counsel for the House of Representatives? He's a terrific appellate Advocate. She called the House of Representatives. She said, well, you're a co-equal half branch of government and I'm thinking what in the world is she talking about Congress is a Cohen the legislature is a co-equal branch of government. She thought I guess she was being cute because the house is half and the Senate is half. But you know, what Congress is a dog? Equal branch of government. She made a demeaning sort of, you know, a snide snarky comment, which caused me to say well then I guess judge. Wow, because you're an appellate judge. You're only a 1/3 of a co-equal branch of government because there's the trial court judges the Appellate Court judges, and then the Supreme Court all three together would be a co-equal branch of government. It's a it's a smart-alecky lawyer point that I made but she's so dismissive and so Superior and she has no right to be superior and she was it was so demeaning of the House of Representatives of the appellate courts of the process of the people that I just kind of let me up a little bit and I just see a lady Cosmic Rose bath what she say. She said love you Glenn. What you Deli and on the Stephanie Miller Show. When did you start doing Stephanie Miller? I've been doing Stephanie Miller for a long time. Not that way that sounded bad. And sorry. I usually don't go Blue John. So and she did she had Mountain Mike put together a jingle for me the Glen Kirchner jingle. So I'm like, oh I made it my own jingle so glad I was executive producer of that show like like three years ago. And I you know, I don't remember her last probably a year or eighteen months. Well, I love Stephanie Miller. I love Stephanie Miller. Yeah. No, I was yeah I used to work for a show. But but you're in Virginia now, I'm in right outside of DC cool, man. So, all right, dude, so, you know, I can't thank you enough. There was something else that somebody was going to ask you in here. I'm trying to find it now. I don't know someone had a question for you or everybody say in. Oh, I I know it was going to ask you but first everyone saying that you should be attorney general how to tell you a job then and and can you please be the Attorney General put first of all, I'm an old-school guy. If if Joe Biden asked me to come paint the you know, the walls of the White House, I would come paint the walls of the White House who I have some hope of going back to government is off-loading these Political Criminals accountable I do in whatever capacity I can be useful. So, you know, I'm I'm going to wait and see I did thirty years inside of the federal government. I could do another 5 or 10:00 and then the last question that has irked me and I'm going to just ask you because I had Elie honig on you know, Ellie. Yeah, I love Ellie. Yeah, but the one thing he said when I was telling him about what you were saying about Trump and depraved-heart murder, he said that's a far stretch, you know, that's not and the parents are murderous murdered tujhe. And I think it's there because of the Woodward tapes where we now know Donald Trump lied to us deceived us didn't tell us how deadly it was and let us die. Right that is the Braveheart murder and I love Ellie, but I don't think I I I respectfully disagree with him homicide liability is a lock. It's a lot. It's a lock on the lowest level of liability, which is manslaughter or negligent homicide depraved-heart murder too is a higher burden. I think we've got that too, but I wouldn't even need to bring that charge. I'll bring the lowest level which just all I have to show is that he was a grossly negligent. It was reasonably likely to cause death or serious bodily injury and he thereby caused the death meaning his conduct was a substantial factor in killing people. I can prove that in my sleep John that I can you put me in front of a jury. I will prove that in my sleep God. I hope you're right cuz I would love to see this guy behind bars and and I'd love to see Bill bar and the whole trumpcrimefamily go behind bars. Oh God. Now they're all going down. Oh my God would not be great Glen. You know, who do you want for the World Series? I'm not a baseball guy. I'm a football guy who's your team? So I I was born and raised on the New York Giants because my pops was was a Giants fan then but then in like nineteen ninety, I came down to DC the Army brought me down to DC and the Washington Redskins started to creep in now. I'm just kind of fed up with football but you know, I'm still by default. I guess. I'm still a Skins guy, didn't you play football? Yeah. I played High School in college. Ya job coach, Washington and Lee University down, Lexington, Virginia. Let me get a middle linebacker know I was a center dude. I was a center bang heads with a nose guard all day update. I would pick it up I could. All right, man. Thanks so much for crying. Thanks for having me buddy. I'd love to have you on a if you can or November 2nd. I'm having a Anthony scaramucci on it. To come on. I'd love to have you on with him. I'm there. All right Glenn. I'll say you see the great prosecutor Glen Kirchner a.m. To put up my link here. 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It's patreon.com / Stuttering John. It's only $5 a month you go for the lowest tier five bucks a month. Come on people. That's like that's a good looks like a fraction of Netflix. It's nothing. Come on five bucks a month. Anyway. Yeah, and you know what? I am going with the Dodgers why cuz I can't stand the Rays why because they try and bean my home and I can't stand some of the players there, but I am happy they beat the Astros because there's no team besides the Red Socks. Of course. I despise more than the cheating Astros, but I don't like the race so I am going to believe it or not. I'll be rooting for the Dodges not a phone number. In but I don't I don't have any reason to hate them and he'll I live in L A. So a lot of my friends have Dodger fans, so I'm going to go and and I'll root for the Dodgers today. I'll be at the pub and I'll be rooting for the Dodges first. I'm going to go to go down to Ralphs and get some groceries for my fax machine tonight. Not sure I probably going to make some filet mignons, maybe a baked potato on a stuffed artichoke. That's what it's maybe a salad. I don't know. I did my walk already got my new shoes on my Urban Outfitters shoes. I bought at Kohl's they're so comfy. Hey, I've got some new shoes on and everything's gonna be right I said it is I got issues. That's right Paolo Nutini new shoes. Check it out Joe long Babu Evil Dead. Let's see, Aaron Hawk. And by the way, I like to joke before I thought lawyers Pasta Bar not enter. It liked it. The Dodgers isn't that the team who stands put other teams fan in comas? I don't know anything about that good as gold. Thank you John. I love when you introduce two grades on each each other. I love when you introduce two grades to each other on your podcast. Thank you very much. Oh Dell chick. Love you. Jaan Jo long. They booed Trump. Who did oh Washington Nationals. Right? Let's see. Gee kind of couldn't believe you hypocritical ageism comment or Dianne Feinstein after you've nailed me for months saying people of faith. Will what did I say about Dianne Feinstein? She's eighty-seven. Look Joe Biden is what 7078? All right 87th, and you know what song? Reminder, but she's freaking hugged Lindsey Graham the trader the trees in his prick and she hugged him and complimented him that to me sounds like she's losing cognitive ability to see what a two-faced scumbag that he is dead. So that's why G Canada Mark Pete Johnson, you're backing the Dodges. Maybe it's time you to make peace with Tommy Lasorda. I don't have any problem with Tommy Lasorda. You know, I was doing a comedy bit for The Tonight Show Channel and by-the-way bowed out hate. This is my shirt from Midas Touch else. I can say one thing and I'm not get it's nothing bad because I like the boys at Midas Touch broadband and Geordi. They're a good bunch of guys there fighting for the right cause I've been asking him to come back on this program for the last. Oh, no, I want to say like, I don't know for the last month and they've been blowing me off saying that too busy before the election now granted. I know they are putting out a lot of videos out there and they're great videos a fan of theirs then got me my great attorney wage. Michael Park, who by the way where we should hear from serious very very soon about their response to my lawsuit. But I like all the guys at Midas Touch, but you know, I have to write this back because and I had to just say to him I go and you know what guys I had y'all one in the very beginning before anybody knew of you. You know, you don't want to alienate someone that had you on in the beginning. That's all I'm saying. Like I don't think they didn't respond to that. I'm not like, you know, you know, I'm still a fan of the air isn't you know, I'm not hating on them. I just think that you know, you know, they should now I found out what's wrong my microphone. No, it's nothing. It's just freaking thing. The thing that I bought has gone south of me already mother was only twenty-five bucks, but now I found another one cuz that's the problem. It wasn't my microphone at all. It was the plug-in cuz I had my power thing plugged in and my power button wasn't working and now my power buttons work wage. I got to reach out to opening, you know, oh be you know, Greg use the Opie podcast. Look I love old. He's a good guy, but I gotta talk about a few things because you know, he's he's spending too much time thinking about people that really, you know, don't matter to anybody and you know, he should be like, you know, he shouldn't you shouldn't waste his time on those kind of people hating to face fast. It's good as gold sometimes John sounds like Rodney Dangerfield. Hey, let me tell you I get no respect. Um Gmail will Jackie the jokeman ever be back on your podcast? No, I don't think so. Jackie is for some reason is mad that made. You know, I've always said the same thing about Jackie. It's in my book what he left the Stern Show. It was a really dumb decision I wage. And them not to go. I I asked him I said Jack please stay for five more years five more years. You'll have enough money. You'll have four million in the bank. You'll never have to work again. Jackie didn't listen to me didn't take my advice left the show and I think he made a bad mistake now. He hasn't been very nice to me is canceled on me with Bill Kinison the brother of the late great Sam Kinison. So I I just I just said Jackie it was my choice. We were like Jackie always gets in the way of Jackie. There's no other way around it. He does it all the time. So that's what I said. Jackie apparently can't take a little bit of criticism. He said it's okay that he would transfer me in any podcast but I trash him and then and then he goes, you know, you know, he doesn't want to work with me. I don't really give a crap. F Jackie, I don't hate him though. I love Jackie, you know, I do not hate Jack. I just think that Jackie gets in his own way and he's been doing that all his career. He keeps on doing it Non-Stop and you know, so, you know, I don't know shorty one Jackie left huge huge huge little money on the table Millions. He did. I thought it was a dumb decision. He knows it if he doesn't know what that he's really really kidding himself, but it was a dumb freaking decision. He can't handle me saying that it's too bad. She this is what she might have with Jackie is and you know, I know this might be inside inside baseball. Yeah. I do have a fan Nikki me. Could you hear it? But you know like I'm in I'm in Vegas Jackie and I doing a gig in Vegas. I called Jackie Jackie. Hey, I'm here lets you know, let's hang out, you know, whatever wage. He never calls me I get lice and I'm and I'm quarantine to my own room. Jackie goes out for a steak dinner doesn't even call see how I'm doing. Does it affect you know, if you know if I you know, if he wants me to bring them up State no phone call. No nothing at the gig Penn. Jillette is their faith and Jackie and what Bobby Slayton are going to go to, you know, a Penn jillette's podcast and hang out at his house. I said Jack is okay, you know bring me alone. Jackie even bother to call me know Jackie doesn't care about anybody. But Jack and when Jackie canceled for the second time at the bill Kinison at the Grove Bill Kinison Club, this is the funniest email in the world. He sends me an email going, you know, I have an audition and it's time that I start to age. About myself and I'm just sitting there laughing Jackie. When have you ever not thought about yourself? It's always about you always seem so but but again, I have some great times with Jackie we used to party and Jackie became this is the one thing like that drives me nuts about people look back if you're all right, Jackie now, I used to drink beer like it was going out of style in Bayville at least hang out and be able get drunk smoke weed. Jake would make lobstering clams and corn on the cob. We would have the the best times we've got to dinner me Susannah Nancy and Jackie we would always have great times. Thank you. Joe Long John gives excellent rendition to Jackie. But oh you Gmail I got lights because my son had longer hair. He was in school. He slept in my bed one night and he put his head on my arm and had all thoughts on my arm. So I guess I guess he had given to me and then I asked my ex-wife she said, yep just got the lice and that's that's how I got it even though I didn't have any in my hair or anything wage, but the hotel I want to add the freaking South Point Casino was concerned that you know, I spread the lice to the people at the casino. You know, what I thought I saw the prostitutes at Southpoint. I think it should be more concerned about them spreading something else than mice. But anyway, You know, I don't know where I was with Jackie, but that's just you know, like I don't know what else you could say about Jackson. Oh, yeah, as soon as he's so bizarre so dead. So in Jackie stops drinking and then what does like any I don't know if you have any friends that do this as soon as they sober up, what are they become preachers on those who still drink and that's what Jack came with me. Maybe I should stop drinking. Oh, yeah, Jack really you've been drinking since you were ten years old you stop when you were 65 and now and now suddenly you're a preacher on drinking. I hate these I hate when these people do this and the same thing goes for walk-ins, right, you know, when they were eating meat it was all good. And as soon as they stop eating meat then they want to preach to you about all the song. Good things about eating meat. Guess what? I don't want to hear it. I like my chicken. I like my steak. I like my turkey. I like my lamb and I like my duck. I like my Lobster and I like my king crab legs and a frog's fat ass thing you're going to do about it. So don't be preaching to me about your drinking and what and don't start tempting you you don't start telling me that I shouldn't be look have I had a drink today know how long have I drink at all this morning? No, did I go on my three mile walk today, but I'm not post three miles today was my shorter version. But did I do a thirty-five forty five minute walk today? Yes that I would pump Ian yesterday. Yes. Do I eat healthy? Yes. Don't start preaching to me about drinking Coors Light and PBR and Miller Light. It's practically water. Jeep kind of lamb is Thoroughly disgusting. It's not my favorite. I don't mind. It's a little gamey but I don't mind it shortly one Goose liver involved know I'm not eating any liver the colonel. I just joined Peta people eating tasty animals. All right, there you go, cuz it's gold. I know Glenn said he loves people. Well, it just so happens at the pub. They don't have a middle of light. So the closest thing is PD off. So that's what I get. So after this show going to have some more of that roast chicken thigh leg, you don't have a little bit more see small portions than hour and then and then I'll mosey on over to the pub then I'll take my truck back home hang out on my balcony. I love hanging on my balcony. I love to people-watch. And in plus I'm the property manager case anybody needs to get a hold of me. But yeah, I forget where I was with the Midas touch Boise. I just think they should come on the show. I mean, come on. Nobody's that busy. I hate when people say I'm too busy, you know with too busy half an hour you come on goodness, cause I don't hate being property manager because I love helping people. I just hate some of these people who call me 11:30 and I'm expecting me to like fix the problem because somebody parked over the white line onto that spot circle jerk of corruption box. Does Rudy really have Hunter videos images or is it fake Q stuff? Show us the goods? It's all funny that whole story is just another Republican attempts to you know, try and sway the election in their favor, but it ain't going to work this time cuz we're because we're smart to you now. Well we are. Smart to you. Let's see so long good to see you again John. I don't catch this show much now again, everybody wage to put this link up. I don't care. I don't care, you know, look I understand if the people I mean we like look it's the pandemic. So if you don't have any money I get it, but if you do you want to like, you know, donate a few bucks off the link you could also become a patreon member you can Super Chat me and I will guarantee that I keep the show going and new equipment is coming people new equipment is coming down to order a new one of these things here. There's my patreon. So if you want to become a patreon member Canadian bacon, I became a member as Jake. Thanks for adding the option. Thank you Canadian bacon, and thank you Mark p and Nicki be and good as gold you are I think the first three And and everybody else. I mean I'm going to do all I can't four people on patreon. I mean they're on the balcony every Thursday after Thursday show. I'll have a comedian guests on beer on the balcony. It's going to be a total free-for-all type show going to ask Larry the Cable Guy to come on and I'm going to ask all my celebrity friends to come on and you know, it should be a lot of fun. So please if you want to have this content go onto my patreon and I don't really want to hear from these freaking truck rolls because everybody has a pay War. I mean you name it every show does thank you Ian Harrison John you think we can prank Trump or his idiot kids again wage, you know, thanks for the five bucks. I would I think if I can get my phone system set up, that's my next thing that that's what the hell about because I'd like to get a phone system so I can hug. Phone thing and then you guys can call into the show and you know to be on the balcony Mark be habit of Zoom for all of us patrons to gather as well I'm going to do is I'm going to set his house at am a set my patreon. I'm going to do it on YouTube but put it on listed put the link on patreon and on Thursday we are on the balcony is exclusively just for the patreon people and I'm not being a dick here, but that's just what they pay for and I'll give you a shout out answer any question shorty one. Don't feel bad for asking for the Nations. Everyone does it I know but you get all these idiots these two idiots. I mean, it's just amazing how long as we all know covid-19 cancelled all my all my stand-up gigs. I had about twenty to Thirty, you know, and it all got canceled and really I put a lot of this money down. The you know, you know into the shop a new computer green screen cables, and now I'm off the Lights and Camera new camera stands lavalier all different things and I'd like to get a phone system off. So I'm trying to get a PO Box a promise. I will donate PO Box the hell there's a million ways you could donate. Good as gold grand piano Budapest grand piano song s t o you who you are. You just went from George Ezra to Jackie. Any Joke Man Canadian bacon after the election what direction will the show go? Well at all depends if buying and wins. I will stay doing politics until the dotard leaves office in January 20th on January 21st. We will go back to entertainment and hopefully some of you guys will stay on now if the Republicans start to do some dumb crap, you know, and trying a vitamin and Harris and their Administration then I will I will I will dedicate a show it to to Simply tearing them down. She counted I agree with Joe PO Box would be good to know electric transfer as well. You know, you can't be that paranoid about electronics home. Yeah, so this this show will stay political until January 20th. If Trump should steal the election then I'll just stay on and I will tear him a new a whole Ziggy. Yes. Go to the patreon homepage. Let's see Mark P the postal service and exactly reliable that the joy in charge. No, they're not. Charlie Kelton, Chad was not trolling me. Chad was defending me and I applaud him for his money for being honorable. You know, I I don't know man. Look, I don't I don't make it a freaking habit of thrashing other Comics. I think the only one you know that that wage really is actually a comic was already lagging that's only because he trashed me but I don't I don't I don't choose to trash all the comics that trying to make a living and I'm not going to sit there and trash them in front of the faith or on this program. I mean granted, you know, I'll I'll have a few laughs with some of my comedian friends about about some of the comedians out there, but I'm not going to public publicly trash a comedian. It isn't it isn't who I am and I mean stand-ups Butt-head zumach did the right thing. He did not trash me and for that I applaud him because because you know Integrity is very important and so with Is friendship and and that was a hell of a thing for him to do any other questions short. He once or there that Trump the same don't vote for buying because Pelosi will secretly wanted to remove by and install, as president. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of and if it's true then he's just lost it well, but we all know he lost it lets say Thursday. What was this? Is Chad still getting trolled for defending you, you know, yeah she is, you know, but they're only the same three people same free trolls of the different names that nobody's their losses there sitting in their parents basement them. I'm Chad bullies and you know, they just asked wipes and you know, I'm not going wage in this person's name, you know, I don't know why anybody would trash Chad sumac he's a nice dude, and it keeps his word and I fully support him and and off and whoever trashes them is just a pathetic in my book Nikki Beach. Are you going to do a live show on Election night? Probably I probably will I believe that yeah, of course Vicki be what was the song that I told you listening to was that holy mother look if any of you have lost a loved one page you want to have a good cry go to YouTube and and watch and listen to holy mother by Luciano Pavarotti and Eric Clapton dead. They played it out. My father's wake my mom had discovered if she's a Pavarotti family weeks before and yeah, I gotta throwing that was and you know, whenever I hear it, I think about my dad and it brings tears to my eyes. All right. But it's a great beautiful song. I mean I am I guarantee you put that on you will cry. Yeah, that's right Marc B Pavarotti and Clapton. It's freaking awesome. It's such a great song and it really it always always makes me tear up. Holy mother. Where are you? My heart is breaking into So and then went and then when Pavarotti kicks, in fact, I told you to keep it would make you cry. It really does. It's it's that beautiful of the song. Someone asked me today and house Mark how sparks hands said although I disagree with this answer, but it's just a matter of taste the best 3-point some band, you know three-member band House Park said King's X now me it was between rush and the police. Come on, how can you top rush or the police as far as you know, a three-piece? I don't know King's X come on. I mean, how may I get your name from King's X Crosby Stills Nash, but there were more people in the band, you know, they had drummers and bass players. So you can't really go by that. I mean surely where I'm just a day ago. I got done binge-watching. Kobrick. I can't wait for season three. I know I can't either Cobra Kai. I love that freaking show off. Awesome. Aaron Hawk Destiny's Child. Hello, LOL. Just kidding. No, no rush the police trying to think. Oh did she had just experienced who else was there? Three-piece was cream three-piece. Can't remember the losers know we were for peace officers. Great babe me on bass Fred on guitar Howard on keyboards and Scott the Engineer on drums. And don't forget I wrote The Melody lyrics verse and chorus to what the hell did I need the bulb with the Hello My Name the song. Hold on a second skunk that was the name of the song you get me get me get me ZZ Top the bird show there we gonna keep easy. Nirvana in Harrison. There you go. Um Gmail. How is Scott the Engineer doing these days. I haven't talked to him. I'd like to talk to him, but I haven't I wish he would come on the show. I'd love to have him back on for the beer on the balcony. You know, there are a lot of people I have to get on I had Monique's from Radio Gunk on beer on the balcony. I love Monique. Yeah radio Gunk I heard but again what what he says is so ridiculous. Okay, you know calls me a psycho yet. He's arrested for strangling a woman. He's a racist borderline pedophile and he says I'm not a good guy really and I don't even know why he's taken he say anything about me because I didn't show last time. I thought were amicable. I don't I don't know why the hell he's chosen to you know to go to talk about me, but I don't even care. I'm not punching down. I refused not in my nature green thing. There's a good three piece off. You know what I smell the troll with you Chad said he was trolling You by pretending to like you've now untrue I talked to Chad untrue. Good as gold who are these people anyway, they're so irrelevant. I know and I'm not freaking I'm not punching down in Harrisburg. I should offer a patreon perk to be a guest on your show. Sure. I'll tell you what, that's a good idea. The bird show Green Bay has an extra guitarist. Yeah, but but not initially. Oh Blink-182, there's another one month. So there's a lot that we don't think about anyway. Yeah, I'm not punching down. So, you know the Gmail do remember when hum played on the Stern Show. Yes, I do stars. They played I believe their songs Stars. Sagacious Zoo hate you best three-piece group Bananarama. I don't think so. But you know what? I am looking forward to I don't usually start my Christmas music till after Thanksgiving because I don't want to get sick of the songs. But my favorite Christmas song of all time is do they know, it's Christmas the original Band-Aid there is not a better Christmas song. Number two song. Happy Xmas War is Over John and Yoko. Number three, hold on. Hold on REM are they have three-piece? Not sure. Hold on a second. There's another one up in their r o c ROM the no money. Are you guys still there? All right. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. But for some reason one of these plugs is I don't know. I guess my computer it ran out of power. But if you still there. I don't know. What the hell was that about. Anyway, I guess y'all left. I don't blame you by Nicki be home and you I know I was froze and Canadian bacon laptop overheated. I don't know. Mark p the show was going so well Jen's issues aside. I don't know what the hell it is. Yeah, if someone's there, yeah, but it was plugged in the laptop was plugged in and ran out of charge. I don't I don't I don't really understand what the freak happy not again. I can't wait till this thing. You know, I take this air and send it back to Apple and go, you know, you should never sell them to anybody, you know. Can't wait to get rid of this. Are Ami sukay. See you John good show. Yeah, I don't know why it ran out of charge. I don't know what the hell's going on. I just tried a different plug and now it appears to be working. It said it was charging but I don't know. But anyway sign up for the patreon month. I promise it'll be worth your it'll be worth your while. Thank you. Amy. Shook a I just saw that just joined patreon. Well, we got to get you all on then we got to get serious is all on there to my patreon. When I get rid of this computer, then all things hopefully will be solved I up my internet. It's plugged in directly to the modem mark p who you got for Thursday's show. I'm working on chip Frankland. Thought I'd like Monica fudge such as too busy which stinks I'd like to get a real big win on this Thursday wage. So I mean, I love chip like he, you know, he's incredibly informative if you guys have any suggestions. I know Greg Olio gave me one. I love having Greg on Monday. I mean, he's always great, but you know, so we'll see. Yeah, I know ships always a great good guest. They're they're more pay. I'll tell you what since we lost some few minutes ago. I have any more questions. I'll answer them then I'll get the hell out of here. Michael Madsen. Why is John using a fake backdrop? What do you mean? It's my mansion in Santa Barbara tell you talking about I mean Santa Monica the hell else what, you know a guy can't hang out at a summer home. Taki counter twenty-five, when is beer on the balcony Thursday 3:30 PST. I don't know where you're going to be Sean. I'll probably give you a you know, a phone call a little later. I love chatting with Shawn. He's my new buddy. He's my new phone buddy. See if we have any more questions. In the meantime. I do want to thank Nicky be dead. Yeah, I don't know what happened. But now the computers charging it's in the same socket. Well the same light fixture I mean, but it's just You know, I just plugged it from the top to the bottom one. I don't know what the hell's going on with it. But you know, I was having I was pretty much on my way down the show anyway wage. I got you Shawn. But yeah, and then let's see with two weeks away from the election. So I I might up it off the last week to maybe four show maybe five shows a week and then you know, and then just hopefully maybe I'll come back alive. I'll simulcast with house Parts. I haven't asked him yet, but maybe he be into that and then we'll do a live simulcast of off of the election. You know, it depends if I yeah, how will be able to pull it up? So if we could watch as you know as we speak, I don't know. Michael Madsen. Yeah, I look please please vote well said really guys and gals this is it off. This is if we want to preserve if we want to preserve our democracy. This is it if we want to preserve what we know America is The misses it. So any more question before I go. I want to thank speed we.com back online. AG. I want to thank 4647 Canoga Avenue Craig Phelps and Woodland Hills. And I want to thank my guests today Glenn Kirchner and Jennifer Cohen for being so great. I appreciate all the guests that come on this program. They are doing the Lord's work because that's I mean we have to keep people informed. I want all are you guys to be informed so you can tell your family you can tell your friends and then everybody else is listening and going out and voting and making sure that their vote is counted. My ex is calling me. I'll probably not probably not my ex but I see what this okay just happened to make sure that everything is copacetic. I look forward to watching the game tonight. I can't believe I'm going to be rooting for the Dodgers. It's so sad because I'm not a Dodger fan, but I don't know. I mean I have no choice. I like Mookie Betts though. I know he was a red sock but I don't know if he's always like this. Yeah snow and the guy from the raised to I forget his name always like there's always pissed off. But the snow alone them. Java town is this a green screen? Well, I'll let you decide. I'll let you decide. I mean, there's my piano back there as my couch is my front door. All right, and anything else anybody has before I get the hell out of you gotta go to the supermarket and then get the hell to the pub hang out with the boys took a few pints. Mark p i can't root for the Dodges. I understand your reasons John but the rays are great story na, I like Kevin cash. I'll give you that. I think he's a good coach. He's a good dog. But I just can't stand freaking the team by the way. How about my Giants in New York football Giants. Now one game out of first place with a record of one and five. Daniel Jones is starting to come come to he's starting to look decent and the joints defense is looking better and better. Come on big blue. Let's go you can do this stranger things have happened. Don't forget the last two Giants Super Bowls that were one that came in at 9 and 7. I believe they were wild cards. Joppatowne, what's the Shadows shaking in the left-hand Corners? Those are cockroaches? Michael Maxson. Thanks Sean. Let's celebrate a vitamin Victory podcast. I'll soon mark p the only the NFC East is horrible and none of those teams are any good. Yeah papa puppet Jones. He's a better offensive line, but they did get a couple rookies. Give them a little time. All right guys. Listen, this is Stuttering John saying get off your asses and vote in November.

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20210427 Nicole Sandler Show - It's Not Easy Being Green with Desi Doyen

The Nicole Sandler Show

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20210427 Nicole Sandler Show - It's Not Easy Being Green with Desi Doyen

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language fewer. This question is advised. Jeez got the news. She talks with newsmakers. She encourages us to laugh and she cries with us. Speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. It's the nicole's antler show. Welcome to a tuesday. I am nicole sandler coming to you. Live from nicole sandler dot com from the progressive voices. Network on tune in on Let's see facebook. Live twitch and twitter still not on youtube and probably won't be until the end of june. Thank you very much. But it is what it is. We roll with the punches here. Today's tuesday and for the last. I don't know ten years or more. my tuesday's had been booked it because gotta laugh is usually here on tuesdays and but she's out for the last few weeks and probably for a few more weeks 'cause she's dealing with something with her hands tendinitis or who knows what it is. She's working on it. She's trying to get around it but she's still not there so we are bearing with her and today instead of laffy we're going to hang out with desi doyen so you know you know. I'm like the regular guest host. For the brad cast brad friedman of brad blog and as join our good friends of mine. And brad's been on this program anytime death. He has been on a few times but not not as often as she should have been and today. Well there's a lot of stuff happening around. Climate change most notably last week. President biden convened this global climate change summit of virtual summit with world leaders. And i thought how about how about you know bringing so sure enough. Jesse joins us today. And i'm warning you. We actually taped it a few hours ago because right now and i can attest to this. Having filled in on the broadcast their show is you know. It's also an hour-long there's a method to my band. There's a reason that. I do the show live every day. Because you get it warts and all but if you pre-tape it if it's a pre-recorded show if it's not done live. Excuse me you want everything to be perfect and so therefore it's a lot more time consuming. So they're so takes really a full data put together. This show does too. I have all the pieces in place and we try to throw it all out there and do live live. We haven't heard that in awhile halfway. I may have to whip that out one of these days anyway. Sorry i'm i'm i'm i'm prevaricating. I think i don't know. Sometimes i use words that i don't know what they mean anyway. I'm wasting time here when i shouldn't because i record that with desi earlier today and it's long so we got a lot of stuff to get to and we will in a moment but i want to start with what there's news let me give you the latest afternoon. News dump news and the big one is Waiting it this morning. And i couldn't hold off on producing what's news until the new mask guidelines came out and it's not so much mask guidelines it's new guidelines for people who have been vaccinated and yes i'm fully vaccinated. I got my touma journey shots. I'm past two weeks after the second dose. So i'm pretty much good to go so you want to know what i what i can do. Now hold on. Let me put this graphic up on the screen for those of you who are watching a video. This is the new basically the guidelines for what you can do if you have been vaccinated and what you shouldn't be doing if you haven't been so basically the centers for disease control and prevention has this new guidance fully vaccinated people can unmask outdoors if they are walking running hiking or biking alone or with members of their household the fully vaccinated can also go mask free while dining at an outdoor restaurant with friends from multiple households. The new outdoor mask recommendations were announced. well today. let's say you can also if you're vaccinated take off your masks. At small outdoor gatherings with fully vaccinated family and friends where there's a mixture of fully vaccinated and unvaccinated people. But those people should be masked it continues it says in addition to continuing to avoid large-size gatherings the cdc said fully vaccinated. People should also avoid medium-sized. Get so small. Gatherings is what they small intimate parties as it were for the fully vaccinated who do choose to attend a crowded outdoor events such as the live performance parade or sporting event wearing a mask is recommended. Masks should also be worn an outdoor public settings and venues where they're required in indoor public spaces such as the mall movie theater or museum the cdc continues to recommend wearing a mask in addition. And here's the last directive the cdc said fully vaccinated americans who live or work in a group setting such as a group home or dormitory no longer need to stay away from others for fourteen days. If they're around someone who has cove it they should still get tested even if they don't have symptoms so there are the new guidelines loosened up somewhat but to be honest with you. When i go out. I'm still going to wear my mask. It really. it's not killing me and not killing you either. Although some people think it is part of the beautiful thing about what i do. Is i get to pick and choose what i want to cover what i want to talk about what i wanna watch on television. What i don't so it's been nice. That sense Joe biden has become president. The