6 Episode results for "Dominique Strauss-Kahn"
Vanessa Grigoriadis Hollywood Con Queen podcast and more
"Hello hello this is reality of reality. I'm elise arose in a longtime tv producer and development executive every week on the podcast. I talked to interesting people in all aspects of unscripted content. So before i introduce my guest. I want to talk about some of the stuff. I've been watching this week. I have made some good progress this week as the holiday start to come and work starts to slow down a little bit. I can take time to do some binging. Which has been great. I watched the full netflix. Docu series room. Twenty eighty six. The accusation really interesting. It's about dominique strauss kahn. Who was the head of the imf and he was poised to maybe become the president of france Before he was accused of sexual assault. So i knew a little bit about the case. You know i followed it in the news but the deep dive was really excellent. Fascinating fascinating documentary highly. Recommend it. i made it through four and a half episodes of the flight attendant on hbo. Max i tried. I just could not get into it. I liked it. And then i started not to like it and then i start to feel like. Why am i watching this so listen if you like it let me know. I'm curious if i should stick with it. I am into your honor. Which is on showtime. It's only been two episodes. But i'm enjoying it. I think it's it's good if you like sort of like that night of kind of crime. E- dark know are thrillers. Pretty good and of course bryan cranston. You can't lose. I started a docu series on on hbo. Max again called the house of how which is about A vietnamese family that lives in houston very wealthy. I'm enjoying it it's fine. It's very light and fluffy and shiny can see all of their rich toys. But there's some interesting family dynamics going on. And i like the way they weave in their culture and their background to the story line. So i'm enjoying it. I would recommend it and then last but not least loved the. Bg's documentary on hbo. Highly recommended i. You know. I'm a kid of the seventies and eighties. I love the. Bg's saturday night. Fever was my first r rated movie that soundtrack. I probably burn a hole into my. You know record player. Let's say at the time now. Nineteen seventy-nine It was a great documentary. Really just you just get chills if you know their music i think even if you don't know their music you'd enjoy it just really well done so today on the podcast. Is vanessa grigoriev. She is a writer i. She's a journalist. She's written a contributing writer at times. Vanity fair and also started a podcast company. They launched with this really great true crime. Series called chameleon The hollywood con queen and we talk a little bit about the story. It's really interesting story. Especially if you're interested in con artists which i am. She also recently wrote a really great piece for vanity fair about the jennifer Do las murderer. Which if you know about that. I highly recommend that deep dive as well but she also did a series for luminary about ivanka trump. We get into that. Which i found fascinating also recommend listening to that. It's it's it's a subscription service but it's not too bad and then lastly we talk about a little bit about her book that she wrote about on college campuses and just kind of rethinking sex in the blurred lines that so often happen Between men and women. So enjoy vanessa. And our chat. Hi vanessa. hi how are you. i'm good how are you doing very well. Thank you for doing this. I know everyone's lives are crazy especially as we round toward the holidays. So i appreciate you making. I am so happy. Thank you i've been. I feel like. I've been talking to you all weekend. Because i really like immersed myself in all things vanessa this weekend. I basically the entire avant-garde podcast. I listen to you on lance armstrong's podcasts. so i feel And finished the final episode of chameleon. So i feel like a expert right lou and no one else after this podcast. A lot of people have said let's upset with chameleon because that's the one getting all the buzz right. now. I in my intro. I recommended it to everybody. It's such a first of all. I love a con artists story. So it had me at. Hello and you guys. I love sort of love. The storytelling the sort of casual nature of it with you and josh and you one of the cool things about this new medium with especially with podcast is that you can actually solve crimes and it seems like you did that. So let's start sort of at the beginning like why did you guys how. How did it come to your attention. And why did you want to tell the story. Okay so you know the podcast is about the hollywood. Con queen in riot is a person who ends up. Being a guy. Spoiler alert clue is pretending to be all these female executives and calling up like makeup artist the physical trainers or whoever people kind of on the lower rungs of hollywood and telling them that she. That's executive like amy pascal. Or whatever has a big break for them and all they need to do is like fly to indonesia and they're gonna have their big break and you know. Be like the head of the department on some blockbuster movie and the all just pay their airfare over there and then everything will be covered and of course they get there and they get like math twist and asked for all sorts of money on the ground for life thriving steve photo permits. He's or whatever and then they're like no movie like majorly anticlimactic. 'cause there's nothing then nothing happened But it's freezing long running scam because it's been going on for like seven years and hundreds and hundreds of people have flown to jakarta so You know we took it on as a project we heard about it And we started to try to figure out the by was but then we were talking to all. These people were connected to the case who were like. Oh we're gonna know who the guy is in like a month or they're gonna rush guy in three months or only a minute before this guy acted live you know in the uk and then coated hit and so so basically we define if you do the podcast for nearly because we thought it was gonna be stalled right so we're like oh we're going to be part of the wave of people who when this you know we'll start the podcast and it will get solved in around our third episode. Then we'll be the people who reported on it and will use all the information that then we'll be publicly available about the case being solved and who the guy. Yeah sounds like a good recipe right. But it was like not a good recipe because coded because suddenly you know law enforcement basically stopped like working on it and stopped for rushing people and he did not get arrested and then we had a kind of a half on podcast like into deep to pull out and so he basically started to find. Try to find him ourselves. We actually thought we weren't going to be able to do it. And then we had a break. We're like oh. Oh my god did the you know Show yeah i mean. I think a lot of cases a lot of podcasts are. They're not so much solving crimes. If for bringing attention to who the person is who should have been arrested for the crime like twenty years ago or whatever And putting pressure on law enforcement now to arrest that guy but this was like an actual late. This is my first time. I've ever actually been part of a team that solved the international crime So i do have to kind of cute. Are how to horns a little bit because you know we spent a lot of money and we spent a lot of time trying to figure this out Yeah i mean. I know i was pitching a con artist project a few years ago and it will come up in some of the meetings like. Oh is this the hollywood concrete and i was like no. Who's that so they're like. Well you know woman that they think might be a guy so it was floating around as you said for a long time. What's interesting about in con- you know. I started trying to studying cons on my own to 'cause i'm just fascinated by it. What's interesting about. There's usually a playbook. And i think that this one fits a lot of the playbook. But what's interesting about this one. Is that. It really doesn't seem to be out about the money it seems to be about the con- and the power play. So was that your impression as well. Oh definitely i mean this is a hundred percent like about you know tweaking. These people out am feeling powerful. You know and like ruining somebody's day There's a whole other aspects that. I mentioned yet which is like you know went after all these super. Good looking male actors or or stuntman or whatever who were you know van kind of like fake auditions with over the phone and the audition would always be like some sort of stack scene where he was playing the woman and the like you know after it was playing a guy. So yeah that was another part of it Yeah yeah exactly and you guys did a good job of You know as as well as you could talking to people who knew him from childhood and in the years before the cons like truly started in earnest although it seems like he was kind of always up to shenanigans. What's your best rest into his psychology. If you had to break it down like what is up with us dude. Well you know. We didn't quite totally figure that out. I mean i think it's hard to you know we didn't interview him so I mean the the gas is basically that Certainly he was made fun of a lot. For being gay was the offer. He was Very like overweight and people Make fun of him and indonesia and this is all stuff that he said himself And that relationship with of being bullied. I think really kind of Colors a lot of became leader But there's part of me that also believes you know we did interview from people who said this is just a bad right leg. This is just a bad seed kind of Not it well. And it's interesting that you say that because one of the things that i thought was super interesting somebody said maybe one of your experts that con artist usually cannot actually be rehabilitated. Which makes me think you're right. Like they literally are just born that way and it's like a defect right. Yeah i don't think like you no saying like look at donald trump. Like everyone's like oh hokey that this happened. he'll change. that happened like no never going to change. Yeah definitely not right. Yeah some people are just like that and whether that's because you know their mom didn't sell them or you know what i mean like we don't know right and the most fascinating thing honestly disturbing to me was as you guys. Were wrapping up the series. You talk to people and least one of them said you know what like. I still work with him like if he cleans up his act way by that. Look that really upset me. Yeah i mean. I think you know. I think that was a little glib. Maybe but also guitar. I wasn't it wasn't it wasn't kind of thing that I think people you know people are desperate for a break in hollywood though kind of do anything up this podcast really a right And and you know what can you say about that like. How do you fix that. I don't know. I mean there needs to be more jobs for people like yeah okay but I guess now it almost feels like a like an arcane con because now people are much more interested in being like sars or whatever so he should be like moving over from film over to that new right an old fashioned con now. I think josh started one of the. Maybe the last episode of the one before saying that you guys were literally on a zoom call or zoom meeting with some hollywood writers that were pitching us sort of their version of the scripted show. So i'm assuming that's the works. What can you tell us about that. Well that is actually as far as it's gotten so i don't i mean i think you know i think we're gonna see this in both documentary and yeah in documentary and dramatic form You know. I don't know. I mean it's a hard story in some ways right like because it I mean it's a tragic is a comic tragic tragicomic. I mean what you know heart. You know how to play it. It is hard to know. And i think that's interesting that you say that because there's a show on abc now called the con-. I don't know if you've seen it. And whoopi goldberg hosts ed and it's it leans into comedy and there's like a podcast about cons of comedians. And i think that people do lean into the comedy because it's so ridiculous but you know having sort of now become friends with one of the victims of akon. It actually started downplays. How devastating it is and i think you guys actually walk that line really well because you could tell some of these victims most of them don't even come forward because they're so embarrassed and ashamed and that's the thing i think people realize it's like yeah. It's not a murderer. Yeah it's not sexual assault but it's it's humiliating and a lotta times financially devastating. Yeah totally. yeah yeah. I think it depends like you know where you're at in your life. What kind of person you are how devastated you'll be but yeah definitely You know and it's just depressing and sad right. I mean yeah. It's really so funny funny. I mean it's kind of it's kind of ridiculous and i think for the the people Like who the power of women who are impersonated. It was also like super weird depressing and scary. You know everybody of god yeah. Everybody was freaked out so creepy. And i'm always amazed by the energy of these people like of the con artist. I can barely get my shit together with one kid and a job and these people. I think you said this and i think it was in your podcast like that. He is only sleeping like two hours a night. Or something. Like i just. I'm always amazed by the energy like who has the time and energy to run fifteen scams at once. There's still a lot of work right right right right right. Yeah i mean yeah. There was definitely some like mania. I think i mean who knows not a doctor but heels like man yeah right yeah so i feel like i've read somewhere that you guys are prepping season two with the different con artists. Is that right. That's exactly what we're saying. Yeah we're actually flipping. Yeah i mean so it's not it's it's actually. It's not exactly that the size right. It's it's about an fbi staying where the fbi is kind of the con artist. So it's about an fdic vega And it's kind of like an american hustle and like twenty twenty biggest. Love that so it's yeah so it was recent. Maybe not funny twenty. I think it's like you know twenty fourteen or something but he likes the idea that you know. American hutler very gated piece of work to me. Obviously but this is similar charissa logically and in terms of being staying And being thing. In which the i do not like comport themselves out well So yeah but the settings obviously going to be much more mesa. So you do these podcasts. With josh dean you to have a company called campsite media. Did that come about once you start working on the hollywood con queen or did you by design or like how. How did it start. Basically is the question So we started a company that We basically we are where we started this podcast before we really hot company. We thought we were gonna do. This is the first podcast for our company. But we hadn't like we'd inc and put up like pretty basic website and all that but we haven't really done much so we were Like you know. Basically paid for all the production for the first like three or four months ourselves and the i team We went to his house. You know the beginning of the first half of this guy who's a trainer and he lives in ventura and josh and i drove up there and even though both of us had made a podcast once we'd i only for myself. Not sure about josh. I never handled a recorder before. Because obviously caver i i do president and drug use. But that's very very different. And so you know. I just baucus recorder. I asked the producer on the podcast. That i made About bunka to you know. Tell me what requires you get gossiping recorder. And i got the mic and like you know the st card and everything we like. Put it all together and you know. We're sitting in this rental car. i'll never forget it. I was like oh. My god. I have my carrying this thing now and like is this even working and the cape from that interview like seriously like thirty different files. They kept stopping and starting it. Because the worried it wasn't working and like checking to make sure it was on I've been there Yeah he's totally and so. Yeah so we basically went. You know josh. And i went to la. We interviewed for the first episode. The guy the trainer and then the agent at with entertainment was made american hustle which is like big fancy saddam production companies and we went to a meeting of blake eight guys and just put the recorder in the middle of the table and just like recorded them and we recorded ourselves in the car and we just kind of as much as he could and then we kept working on it you nor and then you know kind of halfway through who working on it. We got like funding for the company. And so then we were able to a that so call by the way. I could listen to a recording of like an inside hollywood meeting for days like that's fascinating totally that. Yeah we really agonized over that because there are people who want to cut it. I was like we have not cutting 'cause it was like you know 'cause we'd introduce eddy and eddie says i'm gonna tell you my storing a let my story be known i'm not embarrassed. And then you cut away like this random meeting of hollywood executives where people are like. I'm gonna stay with eddie. Tell me the route you know we. We made the hollywood meetings the beginning but it was so confusing because there's so many different voices. nobody could follow it. There's like what the hell is podcast. The minute meeting with ten people like of you is and then. Yeah and then. Johnson's and nasa like. What are you and you're telling us the podcast is even about doing. I know challenging. That's something i'm realizing to. I'm producing a to podcast now because you don't have the visuals. It's amazing how confused you can get with different voices like when you're reading the script. It seems so obvious so close to it but then you realize when a strangers will say that they have no idea what's going on no. It's incredibly difficult. Like i mean we're working a bunch of different ones now. And it's like he's insane. How like different. It is from print rating. And then i fear that people say you know documentarian like this is really hard. Because they're not used to using as much narration leg at least journalists are used to working with and we're to writing block of narration. But you know again. I was trying to explain to somebody they were like. Why does make simpler. And i'm like yeah that is basically what you have to like. Make it simpler. But honestly there's some scripts where you write it and then you listened to it and it's not even like oh that's too complicated if this release sounds like gibberish ballo. Where you're oh really weird. If very you know. I mean i. It is part of why they're you know there's definitely a very low bar to like podcasting generally but the narrative podcast seniors higher bar. You know yeah i do. I know. I know speaking podcast. As i mentioned i. I'm a little late to the party. But i caught up. I wanted to listen to it for so long in this was a perfect excuse which is the ivanka tabloid luminary podcast. That you did about ivanka. Trump and i find her such a disgusting person that i was. I think that's why assisting in for so long actually i. It was amazing. I feel like i. Everyone needs to listen to this. First of all. It's just like juicy gossip that i just like eating up because you know shit and sort of like a lot of things that i do like about modeling and her rebellious teenage years. But you had some great people talking. And i feel like i got i get her now in a way that terrifies me but in a way that like when you put the whole composite together make sense so for you like sort of what was the biggest takeaway from the deep dive that you did on her. Well yeah i mean. I Can't believe i thought about as lanka and only ivanka for like six months. So was somebody helped me. I mean you know i. I don't know how hard it was hard. It was really really challenging. Podcast together because not only. Was it a main character. He's not gonna talk to me right. Her house to be completely written around constantly but Also she never tells the truth so it's not even like i have some archival cheap where she was like telling shrimp rennell right. Everything's bullshit right. Yeah always her voice. Sounds like she's not telling the truth. You so you're like. Oh my god like i I can't you know can't use like we couldn't use that much of her It wasn't like that useful for us. So what really saves me is You know i worked for like twenty years being a prisoner later primarily for new york magazine vanity fair the times blah blah and i really You know no lot of people who know her. And i know. I happen to have like a very Weird you know connection to somebody who was super close with her. So i Between those two the person who was super close. And then the people that i actually knew. And then i got a couple more sources along the way but like when you listen to the podcast like jonathan van meter. Who's in the first pod a writer who's like keys die. He likes he writes votes interviews. Ofra interviews hillary clinton he interviews. You know madonna lady gaga. Like when you're like a big big diva like cheese writer you know. He's like an old school very well known guy and you know he and i are friends and so what fans pot taxes that he was willing to be honest with me and then like the guy who wrote the book model knew all about trump in the eighties. An all about it boss. Von in the eighties. Ultra my friends. I mean these are my work friends smoke. These are people that i know people for twenty year. You know so they know. I'm calling to and thank you clearly. This test first thing. Yes wish not. Everybody does all. They're like they're going to be real you on the phone and that was very like interesting experience because i was like all the podcasting. It doesn't work if somebody's bullshitting you like. It just does not work china. Listen to that voice telling you a story. If the person's telling the story is lying so obvious right now show in touch amira duffy so i really think like that's what you know my producer and is this wonderful woman show she Mishmash we like once we realized not then we basically just need all actions. Everybody and he just said okay. Forget it like the white house is not gonna help you know like jared not gonna talk us like there's gonna be a lot of like get. Here's von online. I couldn't believe that's true. That was get that was crazy. That will praise you know how i got on his off friend that i knew that i once covered a little article about twenty years ago. So you know. I think it's just like the the podcast. Look if on human ary which means a lot of people did not hear it. Maybe one day it will be released. Miles like you know fiasco and like muscle. Brown show is now kind of you know. I would love him where people here but it is really good. Podcasts in there is stuff on luminary that you've never heard so my wanna just when you move over to see what you can find them in there but it's expensive people like i did signed off the trigger jessica pressler which i love. I didn't know that she and her partner coin j. vodka that's all i was. I had no one. Oh but like basically where. You're like okay so there was so just oppressor this amazing writer who wrote the on the Article that hutler. Sadly you know. What's her name your. She plays her please in the jaylo off who plays java in hutto right styles maybe was. Okay yeah i would take. Yeah she she you know. I interviewed her. She worked in your cupboard on us and she said that she and her partner Chris at that time who her writing partner coins jovanka. The actually called it. J von whom way before the white house when they were around new york because like but it was like a thing at the time and they felt like job lanka was too close to like jopling taught ronca would would be classier nickname but of course now everybody just call them jovanka but Yeah there's a long there. I i love that. I love podcast. Experience was intense and very difficult and and You know. I think it just taught me that the reason people do true crime. Podcast is he stinks to be so high and like who is vodka which is basically the question like is she is she is she force. Regret or evil. He was like not enough of a question because it was obvious aspects. Exactly well i mean yeah. That's actually a really good point. But i still think having said that it was great and i feel like there's a one hundred percent chance that she listened to it right. She had to listen to. Yeah no definitely one hundred. If it's only to try to identify who the sources were so you a few years ago you wrote a book called blurred lines rethinking sex power and consent on campus which is a book about young women and Consent which super interesting. I wonder we don't have time to deep dive in to the book as much as i'd love but we don't have time to deep dive into the bug as much as i like but i would i interested in something that you said i think on lance's podcast about sort of young women now like generation z. Women being similar to sort of like the feminists of the seventy s. It's almost a full circle moment. So i'm curious more about how you see this generation of women and what are the things that are important to them and how are they responding to sort of the metoo moment and where we are now Yeah i mean. I think that A you know there's been like wild shifts really in the way that women are allowed to speak about consent and sexual assault and sexual harassment and gender politics. And i and i mean it's like a one eighty from Really any time in the past except for draw. You know what's considered a second ways. Which is you know. The kind of seventy seven s right sixties starting a little bit in the sixty s and seventy where There was a group of women who were progressive radical. Whatever you wanna call them and they outlined the way they wanted all of this to be and the and a lot of westward just using their playbook Except that now We use it to talk about people. In general who are you know men or however identify women or la like not those that really the news. That was really just about people who are born people period full. Stop right There was no like sense in which a woman could be a sexual harasser of man right Which is obviously you know. Different now But yeah it was. A was an interesting project to do kind of before me to really happened. You know. yeah. I mean you're sort of ahead of your time last thing. I want to mention. Because i just could not interview without mentioning it. You and i have something in common. We both spent probably more time. Then we wanted to with artie lang. I and presentation real with him years ago and he was in the throes of trying to get sober before he stabbed himself. I think he was. I think you interviewed him before. Because i want to say he mentioned you over the course of many days i spent with him but her quite new interview and for we were shopping. A real called saving already lang and it was gonna be hall about how he was trying to get sober and clean up his act and he had these two cleaners with him all the time. He has really complicated person. I want to read you a quote that you said. I remember where you said it but so he basically calls you and uppity bitch. You know he doesn't like why men especially smart women her so smart confident women so he of course ran his mouth about you and then you said he's a crazy attention-seeker he wants the attention. It's like a huge daddy complex with howard stern. I thought that was so smart. Because that really i never thought of him that way before because i think he has so many issues it's hard to parse that what's going on with him Hugh now wh- now. Why deep dive on him. And i did it recently. He went silent for like eight months. Which is never a good sign with artie. But he claims that it was you know he has been sober and he just went off the grid to stay clean. So you never know. I think it already is a pathological liar so With you know is not uncommon with which is not uncommon sometimes with addicts of his degree. But i never know. I guess my question is and i don't know if you're comfortable commenting on this. The to our point about the game with ivanka. I never know with artie. If like deep down he's actually a good person or not Do you have an opinion. yeah. I don't know there's so many layers there He's definitely really didn't like me. I mean i think the thing is that lake is somehow blamed that he Was like shooting up when a rolling stone photographer came to take his picture lake. That was my fault that resulted in this horrible picture of him. And i google play the picture in questions very rough from the rolling. Yeah right so. I'm still kind of convinced Having done journalism for really long time if the teacher is flattering. You can really say anything in the article and nobody cares. You know so. It's like nobody orders anything except like who's actually like ridden about except without fixer But you know. I don't know i mean i. I haven't thought about him a long time. It was the truth. And i'm not just saying that to be like phychi which i'm sure he would take that as like. Oh yeah right you know okay. That's the ultimate bishnu ray. Sometimes some people say well people are like you know unhappy about something with written about them or whatever like you know Like what i'm you know. I'm sorry you didn't like the articles like well. You know i didn't really care. I just felt bad. 'cause embarrass yourself right like. That's the kind of line. Get fast sometimes or celebrity wind or the person who's trying to be like you know i'm really way more powerful than you is like Yeah well. I was really disappointed in the article. Reichel never say like. I was really hurt. We'll just say like. I was really disappointed which names like. I won't even give you the gratification. I'm so much more important And so i don't know. I mean i feel like he's a a person who the first they were. Onion is so bad that you have to like you know the subsequent layers in which he Shows himself to be a super sensitive guy. Like are those are those Ladies the bottom layer actually a bad layer also and those sensitivity layers are really kind is manipulation by this person who had core knows exactly what he's doing Hard with addicts again. Like 'cause you 'cause you know they're so mixed up in messed up in our heads that all those layers can get mixed and matched So i i wouldn't be able to answer that. I don't know what do you think i don't know juries out to be honest i really don't know i wanna thank then. People are just damaged and at their core. They're good i just. I don't know with him. I will say this. He is a cockroach i mean. The fact that he's still alive is unbelievable so give them that can very much. So larry real last question. So you're i think one of the few writers really accomplish writers who's also been able to break into the podcasts space. In real way like someone who can really tell. A story sounds entertaining. Sounds like how a storyteller would tell. I think it's heart a lotta times. Writers or writers. For a reason you know they. That's not in terms of the trajectory of your career. Where you see it going is writing. Obviously you're writing the podcast but in terms of journalism. I know you just did a really great piece. For vanity fair people should read about the delos. Murder is writing going to always be your first thing or would you like to transition into sort of more the entertainment side with podcasting etc. I don't know well first of all. Thank you for saying that. 'cause i definitely feel like i still have a lot to learn about podcasting and i'm trying to figure it out We'll get into numerous quarter to work as a huge accomplishment. So i thought you're fine. You're fine everything. Yeah i mean. I think late in the you know. We started with company. Josh and matt share with another guy. Who's the print writer made the original Over my dead bodies that totally. Oh my dead He free basically with a with a producer. Started this company because We felt like we weren't going to be able to make the podcast that we wanted to make with the budget. So we wanted to make them for unless we kind of banded together and created a company. 'cause you know you have a company to it's a very interesting thing in podcasting where you're much in a much better negotiating position if you actually have a company versus just being like hey i wanted to get mission what you like. And what are the. What does it actually change the make a company not that much like you know. I mean the. Yeah exactly like it's like you know we're just like you looking around these companies and really they're all how basically by business guys or by people who happen to have like a recording setup. You know what happened to have like a board or a studio like okay. Well what hold on. So 'cause you know. I do think in the narrative base. I think you know. The product is the script okay. There's a lot of discussion about how the product is like audio writing and it is. It is definitely audio writing. But it's not audio anything else. It's an audio script if it's an ability to write for the ear that's what you're selling if you're selling a true crime podcast or anything else and the idea that anything but is unfair. I think and really minimizes. How will we were saying before. How difficult these scripts arch trae You know so the. That's not to say that like a great engineer doesn't bring a lot. A great composer brings a ton right like. But you wouldn't say like visits the dp's you know project you'll still say like this is the directors project and there's is i think the jury out on hulu director it exactly project who's the author of the you know and so i think like we. We felt like you know we could figure in her race grip We don't we're not like super great yet. We're learning like how to do it. And there's people you know people have cereal and people who are way better at but we are learning how to do it and we're not bringing a lot of baggage that people are bringing To be like the best thing was ever on this american life and we're also not Were not schooled in like the formulas. so we're not in use for the sake. Forget the formula. I'm not doing it that way. Which is yeah. Which is good. And i think make things that are different And i think like i will still always do writing. And we'll see what happens with podcasting generally if it's like a big bubble or how that all goes You know i started to do this. Because five fifteen rating is a disaster. Right now You know everybody in the industry will tell you that even like i'm still on the boat. If like titanic. And it's already like many many stories in the water you know you have your raft. Which is great. I'm rob rob. That podcasting raft is a lifeline. It has been one for me too. So listen i love what you're doing. I love reading. I love listening to so. I'm really appreciative of you doing this. Thank you so much for your time and keep on entertaining us. Yeah thank you. I appreciate you You're interested in my work and like yeah can't wait till like your interviews are excellent so i listened to more and more of them. So thank you all right. Thanks yeah to you know. It's not that it's it's not an easy see so all right thank you.
"Good morning. Good afternoon and good evening. Wherever you are in the world. I'm james scotia the writer the stories in this podcast behind the bottom line over the years. I've written lots of short stories for different magazines. but the funny side and strange people and events. I've experienced some business in each episode. I read you my original story. And afterwards attila something the real life background which inspired it. Today story is called changing chairs. And why you're listening to it. You might like to ponder this little riddle. A father and son are in a car. Crash rushed to the hospital. The father dies the boys taken to the operating room and the surgeon says. I can't operate on. This boy is my son. How is this possible. Changing chess we sat around the boardroom table. Waiting for kinsley to arrive a company chairman liked to keep his waiting cynthia his. Pa put her publicly made up face around the door. Mr adams will be here in a minute. She said he off meets. Tell you to make sure everything was ready to begin. Unlike last time she added looking at me coldly. I said nothing. I was always ready. I just didn't always have the figures kingsley wanted to see. I looked around the table on my so cold colleagues avoided i contact. They were pleased that somebody else was there to be. The target of kingsley's tempa. We waited in silence for another ten minutes before there was a sudden loud bursts of laughter from the hall and kingsley through open the door outside i saw cynthia disappearing down the corridor high heel clicking loudly on the stone floor i hit send on the email i had prepared on my phone. The show could begin. Come on then. Kingsley said to me. He sat down heavily in his chair. Let's get started. Haven't had time to look at that agenda. You sent typical thought. We looked at the neural agenda. Points the minutes from the last meeting. Where red and accept it and then each of the board members presented the results for their division. Kathy massaged said. They looked good kings that he didn't even try to hide his boredom. Good set kingsley. When they'd finished time for lunch Just one more agenda point kingsley. I said the serious fraud office is asking questions about our purchase of camberley electronics. Last year. everybody stopped as kingsley. Tend to look at me. What kind of questions. I'll company produces components for the car industry and last year we had launched a hostile takeover of a rival kambli electronics. It'd been bitta fight. Both on the stock market and within the board as company wouldn't i had advised against it. The price we had to offer per share was far too high in my view and it kept going up. You're just my bean counter. He shouted at me during one meeting. Do as you're told don't think you'll know good as it. Kings terrified the rest of the board and forth takeover. When the final offer was made i was the only member to vote against it. I made sure there's minutes with kathy. Saved for future reference. The sfo is investigating sharp price movements of campbell electronics. I told the room. It seems an unidentified buyer bought up a lot of their shares at the original price before we went public with our of course whoever. It was made a lot of money when we finally agreed to pay ten times. The original stock market valuation for the company. What does that do with us. Also kingsley. I don't know but a police officer visited me yesterday. And said they were investigating whether any board members had used their inside knowledge to profit from the takeover instantly. Chaos broke out around the table. It was amusing to see the tara on the faces of my colleagues as they considered the consequences of an investigation into that private affairs. I didn't think any of them had been involved in insider trading. But i was pretty sure that none of them had been completely honest with their taxes. Quiet said kingsley hitting the table with his hand this is nonsense since he reappeared at the door looking frightened to adams at for the past half our journalists have been calling to ask for an interview. They all say they've had an anonymous tip that there's a fruit investigation to do with Electric's i hate to say this. I said that. I did one about shut up shouted kinsley since you get the legal department down here now. He spent that night in a room with lawyers telephoning me frequently to check some financial details about the takeover bid. As i had expected. The police arrived the company early the morning. I made sure everything was available to them and was outside watching as they left the building carrying computers and boxes of documents with kingsley in handcuffs the photographers and journalists were ready and kings. Furious face was all over the internet in minutes. The police liked to make sure that happens. They called it. The pub shortfall perpetrator. They say it discourages other white collar criminals. The rest of the day was chaos. The other board members ran around like headless chickens. Not knowing what to do. Finally i called an emergency meeting. I'm sure there's no truth to these stories. That kingsley with the mystery buyer of kambli electronics shares. I said. I imagine he'll be back in a couple of days. In the meantime i propose. I take over the day to day running of the company and handle the police and newspapers until he returns all in favor. Raise your hand. They will gratefully read the hand. Nobody else wants to deal with this. I got home very late by then. The police were providing information to the press. A usb stick had been sent to them anonymously with details of a special account opened the previous year and used for trading incumbency shares. Kingsley's wife had set it up using her maiden name you said since getting up from in front of the television with business news headlines with full of the story were brilliant. It all works perfectly. She kissed me on the lips while it was thanks to you. I said you got his account password. Otherwise we wouldn't have had any evidence. She brushed something of my jacket. The man's an idiot. He used the same for everything off but this is wonderful. She kissed me again. So what's your next step. chairwoman alice. She asked changing. Chas was written for business spotlight in two thousand and sixteen and i always been quite interested in the figure of the tyrant chief executive officer. I'm mostly because i think that regime which based on fear on just intrinsically bad they always have within them the seeds of their own destruction. And i think a very good example of that is the case of volkswagen which was in a lot of trouble in recent years for manipulating. I'm fuel emission levels from its cars in order to make sure that volkswagen's could be sold in california. I'm the head to conform to certain emission levels. One of the reasons why this was able to happen in. Volkswagen was because the senior management had a climate of fear essentially It was very difficult for p pulled to object and to say when they thought something wrong. And i've seen this on a smaller scale in places that i've worked. I am projects for example where something is going wrong and you get what is called traffic lights reporting and the very bottom. The people actually doing the work report that something is going wrong. They say the situation is read their media management out reluctant to pass on the message that something is going badly wrong to their management. So they say well. It's more kind of yellow rather than red. It's sort of you know not perfect but yellow. it's not it's not a desperate yet and They passed that onto the management and then their management pass it onto the top management. But they're even more reluctant. Tell their top management what the situation is really like so they say well yellow yellows fairly close to green. I will say it's a green. It'll come right on the night and And so that is how i think very often top management believes things are going well and then a surprise when suddenly they realized that things weren't going right all the time And you can't blame the people at the bottom. This they do their best. They say when something is going wrong but the message gets changed as it gets passed up the hierarchy and this new always happens when you have this climate of fear which apparently was very strong at volkswagen at the time and organizations where this exists anomaly. Very very unhealthy so that was a little bit the background to the development of the character of kingsley. The company chairman and the kind of tricks that he plays. I've seen quite often. In senior management keeping people waiting for meetings not paying attention to what their subordinates have to say shang they're bored with a presentation shouting at people trying to make them look small insulting them. These are all things that binds senior manages to establish their position to establish this atmosphere of now. This can work for as long as the manager is doing well and results come in but as soon as things turn into soon as as soon as something goes wrong then it's very interesting to see how quickly his position or how position can become simply untenable and the reason for this is because nobody has any patients with them and nobody he. They don't have any allies and the level to lose their position because nobody likes them at all and so as soon as something is wrong. jumps in to punish them for their previous behavior. Yeah well what goes around comes around in my story. I'm alice the financial officer chief financial officer manipulates the situation in order to get her boss kingsley arrested for market manipulation and the arrest of kingsley and being walked out of the office by the police in frontal the press is something that is you see quite often in america so called pup walk. I'm the most famous example. I can think of is that dominique strauss kahn. The former head of the world bank Tit to become future president of france. And it's almost shakespearian. This kind of drama. That there is to the pup and this complete humiliation signi. The way in the case of men when they Marched out with no tie on parents to make sure that they didn't do anything like hang themselves They had to ask yourself with. It's really necessary to make them look quite so shabby humiliated on the way to the police station. But i suppose purposes to discourage other people and to reduce the incidence of one call a crime. I like the idea of having a strong female character. I'm manipulating the situation. Quite unscrupulously to take over control. The absence of women in senior management positions in companies is particularly severe. in germany. i work. I think this is something that needs to be changed by enforcing quotas on companies as to the number of women that they have on their board so for example in germany since two thousand and sixteen companies listed on germany's major stock exchanges of being legally obliged to set their own targets for increasing the proportion of women in On the boards but in twenty twenty fifty five of one hundred sixty companies listed goal zero. So this really isn't acceptable. And i think in only be changed By regulation which brings me of course to the answer for the riddle vice at the beginning of this episode behind the bottom line. How could the surgeon say it's my son and refuse to operate when the father had died in the car. Crash answer calls as such as woman that she was the mother but apparently seventy five percent of people when they hear that a totally confused on cannot come up with this very easy explanation makes you think doesn't it. So what i try to do in the story to manipulate your assumptions with the description of the actions in the description of the behavior and the description also of the cloth so that you believed that the narrator was a man whereas in fact you find out in the various last line that it was actually a one. I hope i managed to do that. I hope you enjoyed this episode of behind the bottom line. Please subscribe on apple. Spotify or google. Podcasts whichever app you use so that as soon as the next episode is available you'll get it in the meantime catch up on any episodes of missed. Tell your friends about the show. Give it a rating and write a review on the podcast app. And you can to directly at james dot rupert scofield at gmail.com until the next episode of behind the bottom line. This is james. Scofield sang goodbye.
What Harvey Weinstein's Rape Conviction Means for the #MeToo Movement 2020-02-25
"The today on the takeaway from February twenty fifth in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein Verdict. We start the discussion with you. I think the verdict will not change the metoo movement. I believe the case will give future victims courage to come forward and possibly even allow victims to speak up sooner. I felt the verdict was reassuring in this climate of misinformation. That he'd shake news that the system is working toward something that's equitable and fair for for people ahead. This absolutely changes. How these cases are tried rape is no more being powerful in getting away with breaking the law a historic moment in the metoo movement. We're talking about it. Plus President Trump's first visit to India. And what that means for both countries and a whole lot more. Let's get to it. I'm ruined vinegar. Paul with you and this is the takeaway day because Harvey Weinstein has finally been held accountable for crimes. He committed the women who came forward courageously and that great risk made that happen after weeks of highly public and emotional testimony. The trial of Harvey Weinstein came to an end. Rape is rape whether it's committed by a stranger in a dark alley or by an intimate partner in a working relationship. It's rape whether it's committed by an indigent person or man of immense power prestige and privilege rape is rape whether the survivor reports within an hour within a year or perhaps never that was Manhattan. Da Cy Vance speaking at a press conference yesterday. After the disgraced Hollywood mogul was found guilty of third degree rape and first degree Criminal Sexual Assault. Weinstein could now face up to twenty nine years in prison. Harvey Weinstein will now have to finally face the serious consequences of criminal behavior at his sentencing. Here in New York on March eleventh. Gloria allred there who represented several of the victims and though he was found guilty on two charges Weinstein was acquitted of three other ones including the most serious charge Predator sexual assault. Six women took the witness stand during his trial. Jessica Man Mimi Khaleej Annabella Sheera Dawn. Donning terror LE- Wolf Lauren. Young their allegations represent just a fraction of Weinstein's alleged abusive behavior. At least one hundred other women have spoken publicly about being sexually assaulted and harassed by him in Two Thousand Fifteen Manhattan. Da Vance who you just heard declined to arrest and prosecute ones for a misdemeanor. Sex Crime this was despite NYPD sting operation that caught Weinstein on tape. Admitting to groping number two line Gutierrez who filed a police report against him? Weinstein's case has become synonymous with the METOO era. Yesterday's verdict is a historic moment for the women at the center of this trial and survivors. Everywhere let's talk about it. We TURN TO IRINA ARMONE senior correspondent at New York magazine and Shayna Jacobs who covers New York federal courts for the Washington Post. Thank you both for coming on the show. Thanks for having your in. Your story was headlined. The Weinstein verdict is radical. What makes us radical Harvey Weinstein has been synonymous with me too? He's been kind of the monster of what we've learned about sexual assault and harassment. But it's one thing to have more than one hundred women courageously speak out about someone. It's quite another to get a criminal conviction. Based on the cases of two women that were quite complex in their facts for the jury to understand that an individual can be sexually assaulted or raped by somebody like Harvey Weinstein on one day and send them in affectionate note or even have consensual sex with them. Afterwards is something. That's relatively new for people to understand. We might think about it as being closer to domestic violence. But this was a different kind of relationship it was women who were seeking career advancement Through Harvey Weinstein. Who exerted an enormous amount of power? Now it wasn't. The entire system was on trial. It wasn't all of the enablers of Weinstein. It wasn't his economic power that was on trial it was. Did he assault these two women and so for the jury to say beyond a reasonable doubt that he did. I think takes us in a different direction than where we've been before with respect to Criminal Law Shannon. Were you surprised by this verdict? I don't know that I was surprised. I agree that this is the case. That the Manhattan. Da's office brought Against Weinstein now is the kind of case that would have been considered untouchable prior to October. Two thousand seventeen. When when the Metoo Movement essentially began the stories? That me lay and Jessica Man told were extremely complicated You know to the point where there was a big question of whether the jury would understand what they were saying that they were assaulted and then continued to maintain contact with Weinstein for years. And you know. They admitted that they wanted him in their lives Because they thought he could be beneficial. They were both sort of like a struggling in their careers They were trying to establish themselves in one way or another me was trying to get at some point was trying to get him to adopt. Tv scripts that she had written and Jessica man was Trying to become an actress and neither of them really became successful in what they were seeking at the time but it didn't stop them from maintaining contact with Weinstein so the jury had a very serious question in front of them and that was Ken I is it possible that they were victims of sexual assaults even though email records and other evidence and even their own testimony contradicts. The commonly held thought of how a sexual assault victim behaves Iranian. Weinstein was found guilty of these two charges but found not guilty of the other three. Can you remind as of what those were sure to? Those charges were predatory sexual assault related. Which would have required accepting the testimony of Annabella she aura. Who said that Harvey Weinstein raped her in either late? Nineteen ninety three or early nineteen ninety-four And then there was also a charge related to Jessica which was first degree rape which they opted to go with third degree rape. Her case and these would have predatory sexual assault cases. Were the most serious out of all the felonies with which he was charged ultimately We don't know why it was that they decided not to convict on Annabella Anabella shores testimony. I find it really interesting as somebody who I've reported on sexual assault and harassment for a very long time if spoken to countless victims. And we're we have this sort of notion of the perfect victim that this case challenged in many ways but I have to say that many people assume that Annabella account aligned most closely with what people assume a perfect victim is. She was in her apartment. she says that Harvey Weinstein broke down. The door held her down and raped her. That said The challenge this case all of the cases but especially Annabella Schumer is account had. Is that a lot of time had passed and in her case in particular was by far the oldest and so while we do not know why it was that I on Friday. The jury deadlocked in her case and subsequently decided not to convict with respect to her account We do know that it was almost tw- Twenty seven twenty seven years. Yep and she did not know the exact date. There wasn't other evidence. She did tell her friend Rosie Perez. Who did testify? But that said given that we heard from so many different women in this trial. It's impossible to separate that out from the jury's decision on if the question was that they were weighing Harvey Weinstein's credibility or has defenses credibility against these women. It was the two women On whose cases. They convicted him. But it was also the cascade of voices saying that Harvey Weinstein was someone who had a pattern of predation. Taking advantage of vulnerable women in prosecutors said treating them like ants to be crushed. What are we hearing from? Weinstein is outside the courthouse yesterday. Correct I was yes. Tell me more about what? What are they saying right now? Their biggest thing right now is that they don't believe Weinstein had a fair trial at all. they're going to fight vigorously to get his conviction appealed which is not necessarily an easy thing But they're gonNA focus on the. I'm not sure if it's unprecedented media attention to this case have the You know obviously other huge trials in history like OJ. Simpson COMES TO MIND. But this case began with on day one the Los Angeles. Da's office dropping a new indictment and you know every newspaper in the world is writing about it. I mean they. They really don't believe that he got a fair trial at at all There were rulings. They disagreed with from start to finish. Evidence came in and they are. You know I'm sure they're gonNA focus very heavily on the fact that three women who were not officially part of the charges were allowed to come in and testify against him. They're going to they're going to say that the DA's office was just piling it on That they created this image of him as a villain as a monster as someone who habitually assaulted people salted women. I think they are. They're just going to be heavily. Focusing on the fact that in our view didn't have a fair trial at all Irina. Metoo as playing out in the press for a few years now but this one the cosby case actually had its dean court. How critical our convictions like this? It's complicated because every lever of power that Harvey Weinstein had he exercised to avoid this day. He did so much to stay outside of a courtroom he hired ex-mossad Spies. He intimidated journalists. He intimidated women. He paid millions of dollars in settlements. Also that he would not see the inside of a courtroom in for a long time. It worked we heard the beautiful words of Sivan's but we also know that for years. Sivan's has declined to prosecute very powerful men Jeffrey Epstein was in New York's jurisdiction There was famously. The case brought by a hotel house. Kurt the complaint brought by a hotel housekeeper against Dominique Strauss Kahn. Which Sivan's his office dropped it? Robert haddon gynecologist. Also now the recently reopened investigation. After many more women came forward. And so I I I think we have to See this in the context of the facts that in unequal justice system calms down on people who cannot fight it as Harvey Weinstein fought it. So if a powerful person like Harvey Weinstein is seeing accountability. According may just be a drop in the bucket. It may be you know most people who are sexually assaulted. They're not famous actresses they. They aren't accusing somebody who they make jokes about him. At the Oscars and criminal conviction may not be what they want. Many survivors have said that they find even just the process of what these women went through sitting on the stand being cross examined for hours re traumatizing. That's Ed. This is one lever in a broader system that has not been responsive to complaints from victims. Who did want to go through the criminal justice system and did want to see They're they're alleged predators. Go to prison and so I do think it's huge that the jury accepted the complex facts of this case. It's different from what we've seen before. But it's just one part of a bigger system that Harvey Weinstein use to his advantage to get away with it and to silence women for years. Senate were there any particular moments from Reporting on this that stood out to you pivotal moments. Perhaps the testimony in general was just so a thing to witness. These women were clearly forever Affected by their interactions with Weinstein And it was I I mean. They came forward in front of dozens of people in the courtroom and everyone in the world reporting on what they saying So it was a very courageous thing for them to For them to to do this. It's not it was no light thing. It was no easy thing. Their names forever are going to be associated with this case so it was a momentous thing to witness there. The trial was just. We were watching. History play out in front of US and You know I think it was very powerful thing. She Jacobs covers New York. Federal Court for the Washington. Post and earring. Carmona is a senior correspondent and York magazine. Thanks to you both for joining us. Thank you thank you welcome back to. The Takeaway Rune Bangle. That's the sound of the twenty one gun salute greeting president trump as he arrived in India. This week and his trip has been a study. In stark contrast the country is being rocked by violent protests as the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi pushes forward a new citizenship law that discriminates against Muslims. The violence against Muslims has been escalating black smoke. Clouds cover the New Delhi skies as government forces in Hindu moms descend upon with some demonstrators videos. Show officials beating injured protesters enforcing them to sing patriotic songs. The top trending Hashtag in India. Right now is Deli burning and it is into this. Particular moment that president trump made his visit with all the stagecraft entails. The two countries signed a three billion dollar defense deal that would provide India with attack helicopters and other. Us military equipment. I know Prime Minister. Modi will agree that this has been a very productive. Is it for both of our countries CEO helping to break this all down? We're joined by. Barca thought a columnist with the Washington Post and she joins us now from Delhi Barca. Thank you for being with US. Thank you are. It feels like an incredible disconnect between this reception being accorded to President Trump. And what is actually happening? All around him right there in Delhi. Is that how you're seeing things? I don't think it's it's literally cereal to see this grind a state banquet. You're taking place for for president trump while India's capital is effectively aflame Deli is burning. Ten people have died at last count. This includes a policeman or head constable and nine civilians all evening. I have been getting distress. Sos messages from residents. Who are talking about targeted violence. Mobs entering their homes places of worship have been attacked as a distinct communal dimension to the violence that is taking place and yes as important as high-profile visit as president. Trump's is for most Indians. There's there's a complete dissidents In in the grandeur and the optics and the spectacle of this visit and what's actually going down in our capital city. Would you say that the the Indian media is playing this up alongside each other or has the visit by the president been overshadowed what what I think Depending on which next look you watch which newspaper you read you. You'll see the different treatments. I think there are organizations that are softer on the government and have stuck to kind of officialdom driven coverage. But you know by the end of the day. The story of what was happening in Daddy. The daily violence was just too big to ignore for anybody and even at that press conference that President Trump address you had one of the accompanying American journalists. Ask him about it in the larger context of citizenship legislation just to give perspective to to people who are listening Deli has seen many protests against the contentious of new anti-muslim in my opinion a citizenship led station at that the government. Just past and what we've seen in the last few days have been counter protests people and groups that support this legislation and what we saw today or in the last forty eight hours have been clashes between these two groups why unfortunately the police has just stood by an enabled. This violence that has led to ten fatalities. That's where their videos of police officers beating people. Muslims forcing them to sing patriotic songs. Like Monday Mothra. Is there any way to know if the Modi Government is behind? This are simply looking the other way. No I wouldn't I wouldn't implicate the Modi Government in this. I certainly would implicate the Delhi police and would implicate a bunch of politicians including BJP politician Couple Mishra who a couple of days ago was basically saying that all of these people who've been protesting against the citizenship legislation must clear out of the public spaces of the they've been occupying and he pretty much said that if the people did not leave then they would have to face the consequences in other words. I saw statement as an incitement to violence. I actually don't think what's happening. Suits the moldy government at all. Why would the movie government warned the daily violence to be the international headline on a day? Where I think Prime Minister Moldy would have very much hoped for the trump visit to dominate the bill headlines and certainly the American media is especially. Because I don't think I've ever seen president trump this controlled almost like a mutant version of himself. He didn't make a gas as the inside was why did about. He didn't say anything particularly to Battiston. He may not have committed too much in terms of specifics But you know it was a high moment for the more the government and I would imagine that the prime minister is rather in reached by the fact that the deadly violence is completely Gosden long shadow over trump visit and almost knocked it out from its position as the lead story from the Indian government's perspective is trump's silence on this issue of a diplomatic victory. I think I think yes I would say that because you know trump prefaced his a press conference by saying he did not want to make anything contentious because Dr take away from his visit and like I said I mean he was kind of a surprisingly You know well behaved. If I may use that as I mean he didn't do any equivalent of tweeting in all caps and when he was specifically asked about Citizenship Legislation. He said I leave that. That's got to settle but he did. Conform to the issue of religious freedom was discussing. He said it was discussed at length and the prime minister. Explain to him that there are two hundred million Muslims In India and that religious freedom is very important to the Modi Government now. All of this is deeply ironic. Because this is all coming against the backdrop of what's happening in Delhi which you know where the violence is dotted as yes S. gashes between two sets of groups and both sides have Have to at least based on my eye witness reports both sides have been guilty of violence but by the end of the day. We're getting extremely distressing reports of places of worship a mosque I. I've seen a video that I couldn't actually release because I thought it would inflame the situation more places of worship you know targeted and community targeted violence and so yes. There's been violence on both sides. It's also spoke to the father of a young Hindu. Man Who has been shot and killed so bought groups have committed violence both groups of pelted stones but the real story is willful apetit and the incompetence off the police and all of this is what the world has watched. I mean Deli was on the global stage today because president trump was there and instead the global story is this horrific riot of that is that is taking place in capital city and those numbers that the candidate could rise because many are still critically injured in hospital. Barca dot columnist with the Washington. Post Barca. Thanks so much for joining us from Delhi. Thank you are nearly one million women alive today. Report being shot or shot at by an intimate partner. He did say no one will believe you and I understood the system at that time and that no one would believe me guns escalate the danger in any domestic violence situation. You're back with the takeaway. Some voices they are from our series this week on the link between domestic violence and guns. Today we hear from a survivor of gun violence at the hands of her husband. Her name is Johnson. I lived in a quite a nice neighborhood in the outskirts of Richmond Virginia. My kids went to preschool. Elementary school middle school with the same kids cub scouts ballet Saturday morning soccer We were an average American family and What others weren't aware of is what was going on within our household. My husband was Firmly abusive and financially abusive. There was physical abuse to pushing shoving hair pulling but lucette says it was less prevalent then other forms of abuse. We had one major physical abuse eight years nine years. Prior to this it was mostly emotional and verbal abuse and he had threatened out right after our second child. My son was born. I had said I'm not going to be treated like this. I'm not going to be demeaned berated. Any literally calmly looked at me and said if you try and mess with my life. I'll put a bullet through your head. Let's say told me. She thought it was a strange overreaction at the time but not foreshadowing and as things got bad. Lusa said she was afraid to go to the police. She thought she would never be believed because her husband was well respected e played little league with the same friends he had in his adult life. He was a sales manager at a at an oil company. He was very well thought of in the community. No one would have believed it and As well I did not feel like the police would believe me and he did say no one will believe you and I understood the system at that time and that no one would believe me so i. I tried to manage things I try to do the best I could with my children. I own several businesses so I was very active in those businesses and growing those businesses. As as I said you know the children were Involved in lots of extracurricular activities and I was socially engaged. I I was a big networker so I tried to live my life if you will but it became so overbearing and I and I saw that it was so really detrimental to the children that I for them. I wanted to make Some changes in that included having them be around him on more limited basis and leaving the marriage. And how did he react when you told him you were leaving? I take it that I one point. He raised the fact that you were in therapy is his first reaction to my request to separate was. You'll never see your children again. And I sort of took an back and I said what do you mean? And he said you know he To him a therapist was a psychiatric record. You know you've got a psychiatric record. I'll make sure you never see them again. I'll go for full custody just to get a sense of your home You and your husband owned guns correct. I did not own guns. I've never felt a need to guns. My husband was a hunter. He also worked in a sketchy area of town so he felt the need to have a hand gun in his glove box. Just in case Something happened so gone. Those were readily available and accessible in our household. Bring us to the night a little over eight years ago when I guess everything changed what happened that night. Things had been ramping up when I told him that. I wanted to Separate he refused to leave. The House is unique. Relieve the House. I'm not going to Vanden my marital property. You cannot take the kids you'll find someplace. And of course I was my goal was to keep the children stable To not have anything negatively affect them more than simply in a pending divorce and keep them in their school system so. I'd hope that he would leave the house and then he indeed said he would leave he said. I'm going to stay with a friend I'm going to say I'm going to Sail a boat down down the coast. I'm I'm going to get my own place and sorry. I'm taking the necklace off that I share might be and as as each week went by. He would not leave and so I did make the decision. Finally that I I would have to be the one leaving and I would have to leave the children with him until I could figure out how to go back and get them and so his once. I made that decision. He clearly understood. He was definitely losing control of the situation. So his behavior escalated. He started reading my emails intercepting my mail going on my phone appearing places that. I never told him where I was going to be and he. His behavior was almost frantic. He was meeting with friends. And saying I can't live without her. He was reading my e mails intercepting. My mail going on my phone appearing places that. I never told him where I was going to be and he. His behavior was almost frantic. He was meeting with friends and saying I can't live without her. He was He was contacting my therapist. And saying you need to check out you know these psychiatric conditions. I think she's suffering from He was extraordinarily jealous. Things were really getting out of control very quickly and I was trying very quickly to get out of the house and my son's birthday his tenth birthday was coming up. We planned a party for he in about eight of his little fourth grade. Friends and We were GONNA have go to the movies. Go see Toy Story. And then they everyone come back to the house for a cookout at that time when we got back. My husband was extremely calm. Very calm eerily. So and I didn't quite know what was up but I knew something was up and I i. I couldn't have predicted what he had in his mind the next morning he said. I'm going to go to my sister's house. I was going to church and said Hey. Can you just stay here with the kids until they wake up? My daughter was twelve. Yeah I said you know. I just don't like to leave them sleeping. They'll be fine for an hour till I get home from church. When I arrived home from church he had asked me. Hey you know come down with me on on the guest room bed and look we're we're you know we're getting divorced him and And he followed me into the guest room and he said you know. I WANNA know how you plan on living when you leave here meaning financially. I said I. I don't know but I have enormous faith and I'll figure it out and I went and sat in a chair in the corner and he walked back in and he stood at the foot of the bed about four feet from me and he. He had his hand under a hand towel. It looked like when a kid like makes a play gun with their thumb and index finger. But I immediately knew I mean everything just sort of came together and as I sat in the chair. He pulled the towel off and raise the gun. He said I love you too much to live without you. And he was aiming at my head but I stood up immediately and I ran past him away from him while he was shooting me. I was screaming to my children. Get Out of the House. Get Out of the House. Call Nine one my daughter. I could hear her. Say Mommy Mommy going on and I had to tell her. Daddy shot me. You've got to get out of the house and I was running out of the house and I heard a final shot and I did not know who he had shot and I knew if I turned around to find out that I wouldn't be able to continue so I kept running away from the House and He had shot himself but I did not know that someone heard the gunshots and called nine one one so the police did come. They did have to stage the area for. Emt's before it could be treated. I was in and out of consciousness. I didn't know where my kids were and pretty much kept asking. Where am I kids? Where my kids my kids? They told me but I I couldn't retain consciousness enough to grasp onto what they were saying. How many times had you been shot? And where I didn't even know and the surgeons didn't even know but It for one in my back. I have a bullet still in my liver. I have a bullet in my right breast Near the chest wall and then one exited through my diaphragm. So both my lungs were blown out. My diaphragm was blown out. The bullet. That is in my liver is pretty close to my heart. By the time I got to the hospital. They prepared me very quickly for surgery and my blood pressure was extremely low and my heart rate was very high so you know when I met with the surgeon who performed the surgery afterwards. Her words were. We thought we'd lost you and I couldn't let that happen because I know those two children. I knew those two children were waiting for you and she knew at that time which I didn't know that my husband had then since died so it's somewhat miraculous that you survived very miraculous. And you know that that saying To whom much is given much is required. So that's why I do this and by this. You mean. Being advocate for women four survivors of intimate partner violence but also doing the legislative work that I've done because that's where it's got to start. It's got to start in better laws. It's got to start with having my belief is having restrictions on who can own guns and at what time it is dangerous for them to own guns. My husband was certainly on legal. Gun owner up that point. There was no reason to believe something like this would happen. I knew internally but no one externally knew I didn't have any recourse to say I'm concerned. He's made some threats. I'd like to get these out of the house. I could have petitioned law enforcement instead. Look he's stalking me. He's made these threats. We we have this history of abuse. These are all patterns that lead up to a potential lethal incident. Can you come get us guns but that protective order at the time would not have required him to surrender guns so I have this protective order which is pretty much banging on the Hornets nest now. He's really mad now. He's really has nothing to lose and I think for him. He felt like he was losing everything. So this was. He had nothing more to lose. Let's say Johnson is a domestic violence survivor consultant speaker and author of nights. That felt like love. Thanks for being here this Ed. Thank you for having me. Who Said told me today that she's an advocate for extreme risk protection orders known often as red flag laws. She says that could have saved her life a decade ago as we talk about domestic violence this week on the show. We want to remind you that if you or someone you know is affected by intimate partner violence and needs help. You can call the national domestic violence hotline at one eight hundred seven nine nine safe or support in English and Spanish. That's one eight hundred seventy nine seven two three three more in our series on guns domestic violence tomorrow on February twenty fifth nineteen sixty in Montgomery Alabama. A group of thirty five black men and women took part in the I sit in against segregation in the state comprised mostly of students from Alabama State College but demonstrators asked to be served at a whites only snack bar in the Montgomery County courthouse. When police officers came to respond to the sin and forced the group out. The students stayed put for about an hour and while they eventually left the building without getting arrested. The protest did not sit well with Alabama's segregationist governor. John Patterson Patterson reach out to the schools president and pressured him to punish the student demonstrators. Nine of them were expelled and other participating students were also penalised. It took the state of Alabama until twenty eighteen to apologize and clear those punishments from the former students records. Join me now to discuss. The legacy of the sit in sixty years later is saint. John Dixon Saint. John took part in the sit in and was expelled by the university. Saint John Thank you so much for coming on the takeaway. Okay so what do you remember about the days and weeks leading up to sit in? And how'd you ultimately decide that this montgomery courthouse was the best place to demonstrate while leading up to the city? And now we decided that we should do something to Deal with an equity and the unjust treatment that we are getting and Wait though but it was our turn to actually take part because lose kind of being the humanized by The system and so forth so but number of students decided they would get together and the reason we chose the courthouse. We wonder could do it in a state. Support it Bill and rather than to do it. What the the the different Chain store restaurants and so forth and Leading up to The demonstrations It was over a hundred fifty people who decided that they would do this from the college and But what closer? It got to the time to to demonstrate. We all had about thirty thirty five people who actually participated at the time as we got to the courthouse We would cold but We would not be served and so forth and no number time to the N. Word TO USE. But we say that we're hearing so we had. We were taking a chance on being arrested. being beaten and we felt that one of the reasons that we felt that we should do this because the Government that time John Patterson and made a statement but the students from Alabama state Would not educated enough to actually do something like that that we would not smart enough to do this and they'd had a couple of other demonstrations and other trainees and we felt that it was time to actually make a statement and Let them know but there We were not afraid and back You know we were ready to actually make a statement to the world. That kind of this is on Gadston. We're going to do what we gotta do. And like I said we sit down so good stands so it was a very trying experience and we would threaten as we got to the courthouse. We didn't leave that there would be arrested. Whatever we say well. We're going to stay until that happened and One of the police came up to me and asked me what would by name and so unless I'm arrested rather remain anonymous and that was not something that a black should say to a policeman Here at Montgomery and This is one of the things would really happen. And as a result of What would did I was considered a leader because I had intended all of the demonstrations and meetings and so forth but they had but I felt that I was not really a leader. At that time I was just participate but I was one of the nine that was expelled and I was expelled. And the and they call it my case Dixon Vases State of Alabama Board of Education. But that were nine of us and the reason they may not have to buy my case because that was the all a little actual testify at the trial. We found out later that Some kind later I found out that we want the case. It went all the way to the Second. And that's how We won and They were willing to actually resend that order in terms of what happened in fifty years later They call us back. It had its walk across. The Stage. Gave us our degrees? So Sir were were you nervous. I mean you're willingness to speak out against police officer to testify and all that suggests that you weren't inside. How'd you feel well? That was a bit of nerve there but I feel that what I was doing was greater than the nerves that there was dealing with at the time because of the things that have happened in my life How my father would say discriminated against and talk to buy Blacks in my little hometown? I said well. Hey you know we gotta do something. And I'm willing to take the chance and I know being a close friend the late Dr Martin Luther King. We were taught to be violent so out for we didn't fight back or whatever we just took whatever our K. Bit there that was one retrain we did and and Dr King met with your group following the sit in. What did he say to you? Well he always it was very Carolmassar with their people. He had a way that he could be with people and he constantly told us that. Hey Listen Dan years that it was because of the fact that it was just The busboy Montgomery County boycotted. It happened in nineteen fifty five which he was very similar in dealing with so He constantly told I'd say listen bad. Those of you. Who may not feel that you can do this. We'RE NOT GONNA look down on You. Don't go but You know there's something that would be the what you do and what we did. How did getting expelled from college? End Up impacting your life. That was a great impact because when I was very Expel I got a scholarship to go. The organization of core countries racial equality and I chose. We had different cities that we could choose in order to go and I chose California because I had relatives in the area that I decided to go and I went to escape and that was in San Jose California. I was doing my when I first got there. He was to let me in because they were saying that. We don't want rabble rousers and so forth in school but because of people that were behind us. I didn't get in the first semester but I was able to get in the second semester. I left At my senior year I had eighteen units a complete but unfortunately unfortunately I'd say I was very because I had a kid on the way had We're still together after fifty seven years all right well. We have to wrap it there but Saint John Dixon. Thank you so much Saint John. Dixon protests against segregation at Montgomery County courthouse. Sixty years ago today see John. Thanks again Iraq. And that's our show for today. Thanks so much for listening. I'm a ruined vinegar Paul and this is the takeaway see you tomorrow.
Not Everybody In Kelowna Is The Devil
"The following program for adult audiences only news eric would right find own. Facebook us on instagram. looks better. they're happy. Tuesday tuesday tuesday. Okay favorites the twenty one. I'm eric talking from kalona. British columbia canada. Where your member. What we were kids. If church was more like that. I'd be christian agree. I think it's delightful. I think all religion was like a pizza restaurant. it'd be fucking all into member going near to like eat. It was so cool. I don't think i haven't done that like thirty years. But i remember it being cool. Hey gordon everybody knows. In my bonanza my band we used to have our own private booth at the at the pizza hut in town. That is dope the best filed. That's fire and money tits. we went. We were there for over two and a half years that we kept going back and always had that booth until the last few weeks that we went there. We found out the booth booth number sixty nine done. We had no idea the whole time. They probably just change it to that for you guys. Well quite possibly all those that it was actually a point where there was a family sitting at the table once and they went over and moved them. We didn't ask them to instantly. Hey guys during hang. Get your table for guys. We move over this other booths. Sorry we've got. This one was reversed every that happened at a coffee shop. I was at that. We use frequent and my friend. A friend of mine was like your. That's kind of our table. And these people are she devoted and then we didn't really know the management or anything that well but management actually came out and they're like yeah that's kind of their table. Yes i'm more important fuck you. It's awesome hey colona. People just want to be a quick announcement. I don't hate you as much today. Yes that's right. And why is that here. Some person returned my phone. That i left on the bus yesterday. That's awesome horribly embarrassing story. Really i fell asleep on bus as i most often do and i had my phone in my hand. I woke up one. Stop past my regular saw. And i freaked out and ran off the bus and i didn't realize i had fallen asleep and dropped my phone so i tried to catch the bus. I've never seen that guy dr faster than that. I'm leave for work all the time. But he's got my phone. He's fucking town. That is exactly the way it is. But i the evil google. That's following us and watching everything we do. I went on google to find my phone and it did instantly. And i watched it go around on the bus all night and then the it stopped moving at the bus garage place where they parked at night so i was like thank god for that. So thank you guys say. I have twelve hundred nine dollars outstanding on the bill and i i had the phone. I got it on friday and i lost it on monday. I called fido. And i'm like i just lost that full like oh like can i have a new one. The lake sure you. Can you just have to pay off in full and we'll send you one right away. Oh no problem let me just read you my back pocket. hang on. Let me get your bitcoin say to them. This is a podcast. Oh sorry sp-. Speaking of i've told everyone including board about the christmas thing. If you can be five thousand dollars in bitcoin it will be worth a million dollars at christmas. Time market speculation. Everyone is absolutely positive debt early next year maybe around july earlier bitcoin will tank by half and will never recover twenty twenty two so in in twenty twenty two by summer. Bitcoin's worth half of what it is and we'll never bounce any higher than that. Oh i don't know why there's no real good explanation. But just i think it's just the fact that they're running like there's there's only twenty one million bitcoins muscles are gone. They're gone so I might have something to do with it. I don't. I don't know i don't understand it. I'm taking a course in it. So i can figure it out because i don't know and every time someone tries to explain it to me. I feel like i know less afterwards here. E mosque went from the richest person in the world to the second richest strictly because of bitcoin. Yeah they'll bounce back and forth on that for a while these you went from one hundred eighty seven billion to one hundred eighty two billion. I wonder i would say that's gotta hurt and everyone at work was like no. It's done for him. Like i'm thinking if you lose billions that's gotta suck for anybody you don't care how many billions you have you. Don't wanna lose any of them. Yeah he lost six of them. Six billion you'll have it back to moral. Probably bitcoins gonna rally huge. It has dropped it. Has i noticed that little by that one open went off. Mike oh shit. They're really wondering what's up with sao toshi. Because his vast fortune is ridiculous right now and they're wondering why he has never sold one. Speculation is he's dead and he because in eleven year he disappeared. Eleven years ago is never appeared publicly since and his. Bitcoin has not moved at all. He's never sold one. He's never cashed one in. He's got seventy billion dollars or something like that going. I read a story about a guy. He was trying to sell his in two thousand ten. He was trying to get fifty bucks for them at an auction. Nobody would pay fifty bucks value of value of his collection today. Four hundred eighty million if you bought them for fifty bucks there now worth four hundred and eighty million today. Wow so people are probably pretty upset. They didn't buy them for fifty bucks. I want to get in on this thing. And i have reason to believe that. It's probably true. Just because the christmas prediction was spot on so now. I'm thinking these guys know what they're talking. It's just i. I'm just. I'm just saying like i mean i went from six hundred and eighty eight dollars down to five hundred sixty bucks. Yup i'm right there but then also went from sixty dollars to almost seven hundred dollars so one yet complaining. That's how that's how it goes. And i think it's gonna dip a little bit and then it's just gonna rally till christmas and then get out right after that yet because it won't last and they're saying wanted tanks it's gonna be it won't drop his. Lloyd dropped eighty seven percent. The first time tanked few years ago. I don't remember what your it's not gonna go that far but the sale won't recover so get in early and don't buy too much saves me. Yes in fact. Don't get in skirt can worry about it. Bitcoin stay from it. Yeah that was in january of two thousand eighteen. Hit up to just fifteen thousand. Then it dropped on january ninth. It dropped down to four thousand bucks. That was that was in one year so in one year went from fifteen down to four three. Sorry thirty two hundred but the guys who fifty the guys who held onto it yeah. They're happy right now right there and you wanna got cold feet and sold. They're less happy. Do this year a fucking idiot. I like the list of list. I found online today. And i'm not gonna even try to search for and find out what it was like all these celebrities who passed on bitcoin and earl fury like they were all given an opportunity to invest back in the day. I'm curious about this south toshi guy though. There's a rumor that that it's a group of people never was one guy. Oh belief that he's a woman and most popular one is that he's dead and if he is in his seventy billion dollars is gone forever because no one can open his wallet. That's it's doubtful. He would have given the password to anyone. No no joaqin. Apparently yes as long as somebody has a password accessible but they think he doesn't have personal relations if he was a guy. He probably wasn't close enough anyone to do that. Yeah but eleven years. He's never touched it. That's weird yeah. It's very unusual. But next payday which i think should be friday but i don't know my days are weird. I'm gonna get me some. And i'm going on the dark net and doing some shopping. These these all types of looked up. Shit i'm gonna get alive doll made of real skin. That would eventually rose. Just got to keep a cold that would be discussed. What else did i wanna talk about. The bitcoin thing important. There was something else personal to us. Oh yeah hey world. Are you sick of whatever platform you listen to us on if you are you could check us out now on amazon. Dot com dot ca alexei. Your house you go. Hey alexa player gord. And then alexa plays us newbie episodes. It'd be weird as soon as you said that somebody is playing it through speaker. Just hey alexa yes okay. I think i can do it on my phone. Actually i'm not going to now. But i think i can So that's kind of cool now is cool. I am very. I've been trying for almost a year to get us on. Just paused again. I just lost you. I cannot hear or see you. Oh good just back. You're back you're back. Let's get an so. I got a couple of news stories. gord what do you wanna do. You wanna you wanna talk tone vermont. Yeah i'll start with one. Well let's just start with one of the biggest news that's going on right now that everybody's fucking talking about tiger woods got into a serious car crash today. Now what's interesting is. He fucked his legs up this all. They really knew at the time when he fucked his legs. He went to emergency surgery. They didn't send him to a trauma. They sent him. so Very very he was the only person of only vehicle did hit anybody know pedestrians. Nobody else involved but he literally went a like what had happened well. Tmz god bless tmz for always being right there in front of everybody with everything. If there is a god he he already has exactly according to tmz. They said that he he was at this This this country club thing that was doing this gulf thing and he was there and he's to people and then all of a sudden he looked down at his phone. And he's like. I gotta go and get bailed hopped in his car. Took off real fast almost ran over the manager or somebody that was there like somebody higher up almost random over golf down the street was cruising at an very high five buck and level of speed. Lost control veered over the medium. Took out a little sign across the other road and then veered off the road and the vehicle just fucking rolled and flip and it's a fucking. Suv driving fucked up. He was driving one of those new genesis. Okay which i've never actually heard but apparently there's a super high end vehicle tweet he just right for the jaws of life to get him out They don't think that drugs and alcohol were involved. He was lucid. he was fine he was talking. I was just gonna say it's it's two things it's one of two things. One of his parents is in the hospital Or he's on drugs. Yeah yeah that's just it. So yeah so. It's a pretty serious crash everybody's like i said it's been all over the news. And when they were showing the path of i mean you can't really call a path of destruction because there isn't really but you could see they had the the area mart where he went across you. I'm looking at the video or watch feed. And i'm like he was clearly going very fast like i'm gonna say probably close to one hundred miles an hour that he must have having and sure enough they said they. They're gasping summer and the ninety mile an hour range. Is it at all plausible. That this was on purpose boys it. A suicide attempt pretty shitty way to go on suicide when wearing a seatbelt and of vehicle full of air bags. You're in the hills. You know driving fast drive off a cliff. Then it's an accident. Your kids get insurance. Money and stuff makes sense. Yeah quite possible. I don't know what's going on with him. I know that documentary about them just came out. Yep pretty interesting. I saw some of it Anyway well i. I wish him well. I guess i've always kind of liked the guy He just came off. What five back surgeries and newsletter ago. He just had his last one now with both of his or his leg. Like i said they had no information all they knew as his legs were fucked up something in his lower extremities so it could be hip. Could be pelvic could be legs. They know is one leg mucked up. That's it so this probably is going to be ending his golfing career or he just starts identifying as a woman and takes over the lpga and kick ass over there for a bunch of years. Yep quite paswan. He can do that and say now. That's the way to do it way to do it. Join the l. I want to join the wnba for sure. The best fucking light basketball player out there the still suck that would that would be the worst part yet joined. I started identifying as a woman and their league. And then you're still terrible and the women are beating you not that women can't be man stuff that's not what i'm saying. I pose pose the question at work today. And i don't wanna get too deeply into this topic. But why don't we just introduce coed pro. Sports doesn't that end the conversation right there. yes it does. Let's just introduce no. It doesn't because they would all go. I'm aware not one of those two. So we we don't fit into a co ed because we're one of the other eighty three south but yet doesn't that solves everything then then. There's no more bitching coed sports. There's a girl on my rugby team in high school. She was awesome. There is when i played football in high school. We were getting our asses handed to us by this one fucking running back and this person was just lightning fast and superlight in their feet and then all of a sudden. I fucking halftime that. She takes her helmet off. And it's a we're like she's been making us look like fools all morning where she's super hot while she looked really cute. Yeah but yoshi was just wiping the floor. That's the best thing was great idea on that team. Because none of our guys wanted to tackler often tackling and she's full of padding beginning at the beginning of our rugby season people refuse to tackle sherry and then she got mad at the other teams. She was like fuck. I'm just one of them. And then she started tackling twice as hard to show them and then you know about halfway through the people got into it and they'd they didn't treat her any differently after that she took some hard hits a little firecracker you're probably got up though. Didn't she always zip every time it's like we were saying yesterday. Their psycho men women are tough. Well that's off. Story toughened crazy. They are not just not mine. Mine is amazing. She is crazy to wait. And you're just waiting for the crazy to come out. It'll come out soon so far. So good now. Complaining levied yes. No don't don't complain. I will complain enough. i will complain enough for. Both of us can't touch me yet. The tin and did you hear about the french actor. Gerard depardieu departure. You know jesus to pardew what he's been charged with rape from from a case shot won t eighteen. The case was actually initially dropped in two thousand eighteen thirties. Just said fuck it. We don't care and they dropped the case and They got picked back up again and he was They picked him up On december sixteenth is when they actually picked him up. So it's just kinda hitting the news aether just sort of really picking up on it all now it was. The allegations are made by an actress in her twenties. The back towards no rain But yeah so apparently bad. He's pretty well known for being a bit of a cad. If you will so it doesn't surprise me that this kind of an allegation would come out. I'm not sure. I buy it. Because i don't buy any of them anymore. Sorry but we'll see we'll follow it. Every he was great in the three musketeers. Other than that i really. I only know one other movie he did. I don't think he. I know he's gigantic in france. He never really hit it. Big in hollywood will. Actually he did he. He got a golden globe for the movie green card. And i was gonna say he did. Green card is i- andie macdowell and The three musketeers. The leonardo di caprio lines right man in the iron mask so in the mask. Yeah great movie where he played. D'artagnan was a good movie. i really liked. That was great. It was really well done movie. I'm a big fan of that story. So the the movie had. I went in with very high expectations and it did well even though i like to win it. It was back when he was a teenage girl back. Then people don't remember. When nardo was the girl he looked very effeminate in that movie and it was good because soda. The king was suppose you. So that's your art. I hope it's not true. I have a funny feeling like there's certain people where you're just like. Yeah he probably did that. You know it's funny in in two thousand fourteen. He played the leading role in. Welcome to new york which is film inspired by the life of dominique strauss kahn. The former director of the monetary fund. Who has accused twenty twenty eleven of sexually assaulting and oh who took bribes from dominique strauss-kahn. Oh brian marooning. I forgot they were buddies scrabble. Very big canadian connection disturbs gone. That's why i laughed as soon as you said his name. Brian mulroney just kept getting these envelopes full of cash. Know this because we're friends Oh that's how that works. And then he's like trying to defend them in court he wouldn't know no he's money he would never hurt somebody else. How could it sends me money to see this be bad. What does he send you money. I have videotape raping six people. I mean i have no idea videotape of someone else. Maybe readings how much money you got open for the things you could do that when people start doing deepfakes god. How bad would that be. I've got video evidence of you doing this thing. People like my mom would be like ants on news. It's gotta be like have you seen where they take like. Jennifer lawrence is head and put it on Body here aachen real balk. Scary fucking scary shit. If you're just like eating dinner and kinda watching the news out of the corner year you're going to buy that shit like any speech any speech the president years. It could maybe not be im- yeah who's who's that one fucking the black. I used to be on Saturday night live he morgan. Oh he's now. I think he's a director now But chris rock. Don't younger younger than chris rot. He's like an up and sort of up and coming because he's not. He's in his thirties but he he did. He did a whole thing about obama where it starts off with a picture of obama saying some pretty outlandish shit and then all of a sudden a camera pans and it's him. The obama impression he goes. Oh yeah. I'm careful. Because i it took me. It took me about half a day to do this video. You know and and i could just release this nearby like holy shit. Obama did this and there's no way to disprove that he didn't say those things because it it's his voice and it's his most senate. I can do it right now. I've been trying. I don't i never followed through with things. I don't have time like i don't have a half a day. I could devote to it. But i was going to do a video of me as you. Just say. just weird stuff like gordon. I'm saying like. I haven't said enough walked up to my own on this show. I got as far as You have your face changing. Yeah see if i could find that. Look it up craziness craziness so gerard i. I hope it's not true. You don't need a green card to get into canada though so you can come hang out with us if you're running fun we don't care and if there's any podcasters listening i did put us on today saying that. We want to be on your show. We are starting to promote for our fourth and possibly final season of this show as it is still do a podcast after this might be a different one fucking pause again. God a baas riverside. I love your book and website but your shits fucking frustrating me back back now getting cool using your back because i am i cited. Your thing freezes. But i know it's mind that's doing it it is what do they want to talk about. That was important. And i don't remember okay. I won't. I won't do important wondering now but i will say this because i found it really exciting and man in oregon has set a brand new. Dui world record. Oh he blew a point. Seven seven eight. I believe it was. Yeah point seven seven eight. Now you're supposed to have point. Zero seven point seven seven eight. He led police on a crash or he led police on. Crash sounds villanova believable. This is why i don't read shit. I memorize it before the show. I led police on a chase. You was running from the law because he had a suspended license from the previous dui point seven seven eight that beats the previous record of point of point. Seven zero eight sutton south dakota in two thousand nine. Wow so we're still breaking world records during the pandemic. that's nice aim. high america. Aim gordon trying to break a record too but we don't. We can't organize it. We can't afford it. We can't organize it. That's what i like to say. Plus they they can't. It's it's to the the logistics of it don't work. We have to have a household full of people while we do it or we have to be in a place full of people when we do it and that's just not possible right now so yeah. I thought that was good. Good on your. I forget his name. He's twenty four years old. They call him a man tweeted. Kid i don. I mean come on that many. Dui's are our a to d. you is for sure. Yeah the record. This is he. He's i don't think he should be allowed out. Yeah nine times. The legal limit that is. Wow how'd you. I can't even drink that much. I mean i've tried crazy. Yeah that's insane that's nuts nuts nuts nuts walk. Yeah cool on you dude. I'm a fan now. Well done market. Where's markham is that by. You somewhat a couple of hours from me this fucking thing. He's fucking pausing on me. Oh my is gonna drive me nuts. Yea i'm still on buchan pauses for some reason. My shit doesn't want to walk and work switch despite no give me a minute and just try something new. I got a area that should be better. You opening windows again. Nope i was not. But what i do have is i have a little Little wifi booster like plug into it. I'm seeing if that'll give it a shot and gave me another bar so there you go over. Hopefully that'll work. I hope so. We gotta figure some house. Maybe i'll try. I'll try a different platform. Try to figure this out. See if one works better than another very you save. The many left exhausted quite a few here. We go strictly youtube something. They never seem to have a problem. Although i've never i've never streamed with you on youtube all find a way to fuck that up. Don't want to help avenue. And if you don't i definitely will find a way to get us kicked off its of ecuador's in the in the news now are the door is in the news. Because they've had at least sixty two dead in prison riots cool they say guns and knives battles between rival gangs erupted on monday night in three separate prisons. You're getting guns into your present. It's not anymore it's just. It's just the building for people that can't be on the street. It's just a place where guys hang out. Yeah i mean that's just insane. The officials are blaming the riots on detention facilities in the cities of all this out of acute gaya quill couscous and latter conga. I'm really sorry people from from there. That puckering up your language but they say is because of the disputes between the gangs so on the upside pretty much just seems to only be prisoners died so prison guards because clearly their hands on. So that's a little funky funky and my if prisoners are dying and that's it good stuff. It's just a cost roll around on this date. So yeah they're they're able to contain the whole thing with the help of eight hundred police officers all it's it how come i have never heard justin referred to as tornado. That is brilliant You really you haven't justin turbo. I hear that i hear that. All the time from people scotch one. That's a good one. I never even thought of that. I'm disappointed in myself. I forget good word third a while the turn. Turn turn the two heard anything. That is a good word. I'm trying to find the thing about the fucking india. Oh while you're looking for that the jack quinn guzman. That is the watching walking walking. Guzman this is the wife of el chapo terrible. She is officially been arrested over alleged involvement in international drug trafficking. Yeah they think she's gonna fucking sing. Yeah she's thirty one years old. Her name is emma. Coronal as perot. Wow i really got to learn how to read some days. No it's Mo corolla rossborough. Ross silent so. I just make up stuff all the time like if i can't pronounce something i'll make it sound like words and then you know at work today. My boss i was counting on this is a tremendous amount of something and i was counting in. I countered it eight times. I got eight different fucking numbers. My boss came up. He's like how much is it. Fun did you find. You have account on that. I was like nears. I could tell it's eleven hundred. H that sounds right. You might wanna double check. I could have forgotten to carry. The banana walked away. You know it's so good So yeah when. I'd say like people's names i just i just i will say it with confidence. There guys is taco guadalupe. Wow that's incredible. Neither tell that to me. yeah The chinese genocide on the who you gars while we. That's why we china's first guards and and jesse turtles in that's cool. That's fine no big deal. I'm good with. I legalized pot. What do you want from me to do. Anything for the next twelve was i. I don't remember yeah anyway. Yeah i think the biggest waste gonna sing. She's gonna turn on him. I don't know. I only married when she was eighteen. She was a beauty contestant a beauty pageant winner and he's what seventy five or something. He's sixty well he's sixty one. She's thirty one to thirty year difference. So what is he worth does it. Does it say I don't think he's got to have almost ilan money and done. I don't see as a teen year old. Not seeing anything about his net worth but Lord knows it's gotta be pretty fucking high. Yes i like it ever actually even given number for any of those is it's just pure speculation because absolutely records of this. You know I love how the news does stuff like this. Just reading an ontario man wanted on wwe canada wide warrant. Might be colona. Yeah he might be anywhere. That's what it means. He might be that every fucking city global an inner city he might be in might be drawn. Might be toronto and you might be milton. He might be niagara. Yeah he might be any. Go fucking find him. Don't fucking jesus christ. The news is stupid. it's a new rebollo breakout. It might be here. Maybe maybe we don't know like the news is it could happen possibly news at eleven speaking of a bowl guinea his launching a bowl of vaccination drive in the south part of the country even if they're just shooting them up relate. Think kool-aid go. You're fine don't worry about it pay for this. Nope we got nine. Just trying to see if i can find something here. So yeah. that's weird hero three billion. It says three estimated three billion dollars. So it's probably closer to twenty. He talks the he doesn't talk. He's not at the top. They ray orillia brothers. Yeah the leader of the cult. You're gone now back. Jose rodriguez five point six billion three billion dollars of. That's good living. That's not the actual brothers. I can't say i've actually. I don't think i recognize them. The ocho brothers of the medellin cartel the medellin cartel six billion dollars. Wow and he oh no. It says if he did. Oh that's a stupid thing. Don't give me if like you. If you'll day would ibrahim cosker an indian drug lord wanted since nineteen ninety-three by the fbi. He's number three on the most wanted list. Oh seven billion dollars and simian mobile mobile of each semi on mogul of each russian. He believes believed to be living freely in moscow old. He's the boss of bosses of the russian mafia and he's ten billion. Wow what's his name from mexico. Is he still number one number one for ten billion no number one. i all it's one of these stupid things where you gotta read eleven million things to get to the number one number two is a motto fuentes. He is he just eliminated his boss. Raphael guajardo here's a twenty twenty eight billion. Wow oh oh he's dead. He died during plastic surgery. He was trying to alter his appearance. Oh wow so that he could live freely and enjoy his twenty eight billion dollars and he died on the operating table all god. How mad is he at twenty eight billion. How do you not spring for a better surgeon. Wait till you get to russia. And they'll just do it. They don't care. How would you bringing with you. Twenty billion year fine component. Here's a host. And i can't find number one but i always thought i'll chapel would be like way up there. He's just he's like not even close. He's stopped ten so give them credit for that. It's nothing like he's three billion dollars. I'm not saying you know. that's vince. Mcmahon money yeah it's good star pablo escobar that number of guests. What sixty billion. I'm checking here okay. Goes back to thirty three point. Nine billion He was the founder of the medellin cartel. Yeah he changed the image of. Here's a look. Dude actually changed the image of columbia forever. He did a lot of great things for the city. And then a lot of shitty things for the. I think he's mostly the bad kind of always good unless you're culkeen enthusiasts then he's probably probably really nice guy i love that he pops up every now and then. They always eased ed. You'd never did. He paid his way out. These last time was in the nineties. I i don't know if he's had an appearance since then but there you go l. chapel. Your wife's going to turn your craft the top ten. She doesn't care. Yeah no she's gone with one of the or hollow brothers or ooh go. Oh no i'm wrong. i'm way off. Those numbers must be old because the government they're trying to get him to payback twelve billion. Right now oh really. So he doesn't have three billion he's fucking he's on the hook for twelve billion for his arrest in the states so maybe it's fifteen billion and then but they want the twelve what it's like. You said you're never gonna know and it's not like the there'll be numbers all over the fucking said they said for for what's his name. They said they'll thirty three point nine. It's gas why wouldn't you just say thirty four. What the fuck. I don't know why they do that. They always have to put in the decimal. It makes it sound more official. Guess he's got a bunch of legit companies. That doesn't surprise me. You need to have something that gives you. The prosecutors never publicly revealed if they know where he keeps his money or how much he has but he has Apartments and houses were thirty million dollars. How tough fucking man. tough light. how much is he putting in property taxes and stuff. They're not really pursuing him. But he remains in custody in the high-security wing of the manhattan federal jail. He doesn't have a fucking handgun new ease. He's got like the fucking hannibal lecter cage around him because if he didn't he would have got by now. He's one step away from magneto jail cell pretty much. Oh and by the way. My new endeavor that i thought was really great. I had to bring it up at work yesterday actually Very hilarious if you try it out. Part of my morbidly obese series morbidly obese x. Men is very very funny. I can't see how it wouldn't be more worried. Robbing funny woolery. When he just gave us shut up. I mean flora. I just love that sal. All more believe you're morbidly obese. Morbid is in your description. That's brought but morbidly obese. John wick was my last funniest one door off my heart dog but morbidly obese x. Men i have a my buddy at work. He likes to play along with these games. He's wants to make an all black x. Men right on because they are allegedly the x. men are based on the civil rights movement. That's what they're inspired by. Yes their whole story. Which yeah when. I think of the civil rights movement. The first thing that springs to mind is fucking patrick stewart. John lewis picard there. I don't think it's a bit of a stretch there but apparently professor acts is based on alumax or no. Meg is based on malcolm x. And professor x is based on the good one. Martin luther king. I just found this out today. I get my comic book education from young people at work. Because i didn't follow them ever i. I don't have a clue my brother did. I haven't the movies. I don't think i've actually seen an entire men movie. I've pretty much seen them all. I haven't seen the avengers. But i told you i would wait. Watch the avengers with you. So Yeah that was just a little personal thing. Where is this god. Damn i have a story. But i don't wanna read it. If i don't have the whole gandhi and story. I should have written it down. I didn't i played guitar instead. Well wall you're looking for that. I've kind of dying to talk about this one. Have you heard the latest with coca-cola they're changing it to covid cola and they're gonna give it to five hundred million people know they have are. They're doing new training. Are learning plan is what they're calling the new training regimen on them that literally says and it uses the exact words bill less white learning plan. And it's a big thing is now being white is terrible. You need to be less white. You know so. The includes tips on how to be quote less white less arrogant less certain less defensive less ignorant in more humble because those are only traits of white people. All i got to say to this is is i just want all i ask is replaced the word white with black and tell me if it's okay i ask and i think i just got fucking paused. God it fine okay good. Can you pause okay. So yeah so. I would just say if you don't think this is racist and eliminate the word white and change it to black and tell me if any of this if you can go walk up to a black man company say you need to be less black and tell me if that's not right because if you think that's not racist in this whole thing is fine. Well let's be honest. We could all be a little less white sure. Let me just get a fuck and paintbrush and changed my fucking skin color. I totally agree with that and I i don't. I'm not white. I don't identify as white. There's a white part on my body so pink and pink. You can brown in spots especially my underwear. I'm i am in no way white I i just can't believe i just. I hate the fat and the best thing is the article that this is literally and this is the best thing coca cola facing mounting backlash from conservatives online because only a conservative would complain about this. No yeah no come on. You know the the the us and the great divide is beyond control. It's just insane it is now. It's basically they're looking to make it illegal to be white and to admit and to say that you're white that is now well. Let's be a little careful where we're trading on his too because there's a lot of stuff coming out that is not true a lot of stuff like like rally in edmonton they're trying to say was it turned into a big racist rally. Never have it. It was a covid rally. And they're trying. They came out and they're trying to denounce this big racist rally and everyone's saying it but it was a kobe rally rallying. Just flat out lying. It didn't happen. It was it that way. That wasn't there. They had no fucking ulterior motive. So we got to be careful with what news were picking like saying. It's bad to be white. A lot of it is just people trying to stir the pot. Well the one thing i caught was released from coca cola spokes- spokesperson who said hey look it's part of course as part of a learning plan we're just not focusing on that that particular aspect of it is something we're not directly really focusing on your. That could be a two. you know. Somebody's got this little fucking. Buzz clipper it's one out of a five hundred page manifesto or some you know well. It was a screenshot. Somebody took a picture of a screenshot from inside the company. They were the ones that that's how it got. That's how it got out. Yeah know what that's in there that's absolutely part of it. Yeah it's just you know it's it's not the focus right. Yeah no i. I very much could be that way to you. Know i take a screen shot right now. I point my camera in any direction in my room and take a screen shot and them. You could tell the story about if you want to and make it seem just based on that screen shot. It could be bad of even the term try to be less white the fact that that is a term on anything for a company thing. I don't give a shit what anything is not try to be less white. Say that to another race. Go ahead say to in asia say asian asian blacks need to be less black said to them. And tell me it's not fucking tell me that state. It's absolutely no one's are you. I would never argue that. It's absolutely raises terrible. I'm not convinced it's wrong. I think we could all be a little less weight in. Yeah i'm on boarding agents be less. Asian blacks black. Jesus so then what does not everybody. Let's all just be more human faulkner be more civil to each other. Let's put the human back in humanitarian. I don't think that exists anymore. Men be less men. Everybody just be fucking more nice to each other. How about that. Just be less worry about it. We know you're black fine. Did you see. Oh my god. There's this amazing clip. I love it so much It was at Somewhere in the states. There's a public skating rank and people are skating and one guy shows up with this massive fifteen foot flexing trump twenty twenty four and easy only for everybody says after skating have a nice game this fucking guy shows up just to be the dick right feigen that thing around and of course people fucking retaliate. People get mad they start telling them off and shit and then a couple of guys shoved them and you know they start pushing around and shit. It's like he. You literally just got baited like you got ended and you fell foreign. And you're you're just a bunch of if you just ignore them. Nobody would have cared. It never would hit the news. Nobody had earth did it would have been trump supporters shows up but people norm. That would have been one hundred percent. Yep i just. I couldn't stop laughing. Thought you fucking idiot. He wanted to make the news. He did way to give them what they want you. Yeah that's just it. I can't find the guy damn india story. What was i going to say about that. I don't know something. i don't know. Racism racism funny. Racism is something. I think we all need to get over. It raises need to get over it more more than anybody. But a lot of us Just not look for it everywhere and really do we care if if someone says if coke wants us to be less white do we give a shit. We can't really making up policy. It's fucking go. Who gives a shit. Well they made santa claus. So i guess they can we listen to them on lots of shit. I'm just wondering if the polar bear for christmas. He's very white and he's all the that's it so they'll have to get rid of him and change it to a black bear so news on my uncle who died just so you guys know Yeah don't they won't give it to a blackberry they'll give it to the spirit bear which is white by the way it is to fuck that. No don't give it to him. Well he's isn't he. Technically native looks white but the spirit bury's native culture but he's still a white bear slice it. Yeah but i think he's he's. He's first nations bear. That's funny. I never thought of the polar bear when i said that. That's great. But like what is coke making fucking policy for gives a fuck what they tell their employees. I've applied there twice three times for me. So yes i. There's two stories. I had and i can't find and i didn't. Of course they didn't like earmark them or anything. One is about the texas power company. One guy bill was nineteen thousand dollars. Jesus christ people had resigned from the power companies. I caught that part of that today. I bet you they did. I wish i could fuck and find it. Nineteen thousand dollars. How nineteen thousand dollars. Yeah that's awesome. You know what your collections agency than to go to the power company kind of defending them last night and saying you know it's there. It's they're totally. They can do whatever they want. Because it's their company. Its privacy like but that's you're losing me there you're going nine hundred thousand dollars from like forty dollars a month bill one month. It's forty dollars the next month. It's nineteen thousand. That's that's fucking you've gone too far even in eric's world little far that's gotta sale lot Then try to find world. Do i have world here. The latest have the latest breaking news while lose a schedule. On saskatoon city council passes a bylaw to band conversion therapy to go saskatoon no more conversion through that means. You can't beat the gay out of anybody literally. That is exactly what i mean. That's what conversion therapy is. I thought i thought that that was already banned across canada for some reason. Compare and not incest catoon. They wanted to hold onto that one a little longer. I can't believe that's a thing now. We're just british beaten. The you'll understand after my god for a it'd be fine. I got told today that not playing along with like not acknowledging trans people. I is equivalent to conversion therapy. Might as well just do conversion therapy if you're not going to identify them properly yet no. I said it's a mental illness. It's a mental illness. That's all it is for better or worse. I believe that's what it is. It's contrary to evolution. It doesn't make sense. Scientifically makes no sense to just on that level. I'm not judging personally but scientifically it makes no sense Therefore i deem a mental illness. And i don't think it. Does anybody good if you indulge their mental illness. I think you should try to address it and treat it And that that leads to conversion therapy. Then which i mean. Could you're right on that sense. You know by using too but it sure i. I have to acknowledge eighty-three fake genders or else. I'm committing conversion therapy but under that under that same thought though that means we shouldn't vote for a prime minister ever again because that could lead to to to a to a dictator could very well. Could it well ours. Is buddy buddy with one right now. Very very close friends. He won't speak up on the fucking genocide that's occurring there when shot do you think the two michaels have none none at all. Who's conservative guy. That's always speaking out against them with the fox's name again. Jason carrie yeah. He spoke many. He said he goes. You've here. He is protecting a country that has kidnapped and detained two of our own citizens and a he doesn't give a shit he just. That doesn't give a shit in parliament. That's amazing so he was. So that's posted was passed. He was so mad. It was so good. People people swear a lot in parliament. You're not supposed to supposed to here. We're also supposed to have leaders that is supposed to be there to protect its citizens since they're not doing the job Where the fuck. Anyway i'll have that story for you tomorrow. I guess about the india thing anyway kids. I don't know maybe send us an email if you want. That would be great participate in the goddamn show. Please send me a story. India about what's going on with the nineteen indian health care workers who died after the covid bags. Yeah that's incredible. I want to know about us. I don't know how much information is out. It wasn't much of a very detailed story. But nineteen indian health healthcare workers in india. I'm just reared reiterating for the people who read it and zig zag avenue in india and india's trying to look it up while again i can't find the original story but maybe they can find something about it. That's in one hand. I'm like hey a factory didn't collapse on them. That's cool but still sox. Yeah just fucking nuts and covert vaccine. I think they rushed it. And i'm worried about it a little more than i was. I might might concerns grow more and more as this thing gets distributed found it nine. Health workers have died in vaccine rollout. india must disclose status of probe to each case that was on january. Twenty nine they had already had nine. Yes the latest one. I can find on it. Ironically it's up to one thousand nine hundred and think of that. That's funny it's covid. Nineteen nineteen people go covid. The desk took place between twenty four hours and five days of taking the vaccine all been -scribed to cardiovascular problems or brain stroke fucking brain stroke like that just sounds rough. Jesus my uncle it. the key. The coroner has signed off from canada and more medical examiner has signed off on e. cova death for him so my uncle died. This past weekend is officially died of covid. So there we go. The families disputing it. They don't think that's probably true. Soy in use the you say you have a relative that i can officially say i have a relative. We're very very close. I haven't spoken to him thirty five years but very close by by blood. Relation probably already. Yeah it's hereditary kovic her editor now one or visit the whole family dies. That's how it works. yeah i i should. I should see it by boston to quarantine now i have to sell. My uncle died. Who lived winnipeg this whole time. They've never seen him. He died in penticton which is a forty minutes from kalona. I could have it. It's that close. All takes us one giant sneeze. He was visiting his ex wife my aunt and he died i if he was trying to give her covert. It's possible a final fuck you very. I'm not going to get into it on the show. But it was quite the relationship Eight elites and. I won't get into what happened to me but they were very to me when i was young and i never spoke to them again and now he's dead from kovin so now finding somebody. I don't know that he died from covid. That's just what the coroner says. Even the families disputing it so that kind of well they stick. It doesn't sound right so who knows but there you go. Now i have someone now i i guess i can't really see what we do. You know anyone. Because i do. You can say that name one person. I can't now You know With the tibor east t- more ever heard of that. Yeah sure yeah africa. Are you go. Well i'm a former american priest. Richard dash bach. Who's eighty four right. Now he's a former missionary from pennsylvania. He is up on. Fourteen counts of sexual abuse of children younger than the fourteen as well as one county to child pornography and domestic violence faces. An when i never ever ever would have thought this would happen. Not a good christian fellow but yeah but this is the first clergy sexual abuse. Case to emerge in the southeast asian nation of about three million people were ninety. Seven percent of the population catholic. Yes the i wondering merge keep that in mind the first one. It's not the only one by any means. It's just the first one you guys have found out about. Yeah that's exactly right. And he's probably taken the fall for someone way worse and the catholic church was like the vatican called and like look. You gotta go down for this guy. Because he can't go down like some cardinal or or fucking What's the guy. That's better than the cardinal but not quite the pope you shut up. yeah bishop. That's the one bishop getting. They were getting too close to him. So that you gotta take a fall for bishop niggles over here kitty. Dibble's they do that. That happens a lot. So he's taken the fall for bishop giddy mc mc noodle the allegations. Actually for this plane comes out of a children's home for impoverished kids that he founded and ran. Yeah so yes. He calls it his hair on their spring so at least now. Here's the one thing. All the victims are female. Oh here's a twist twist that we not used to seeing when it comes to the catholic church. I'm a little bit impressed. Since still cut his balls often hang in public so everyone is warning everyone else like him but that's progress. He was defrocked. Never heard what does the term defrocked. I've never heard that that just being. Oh defrocked they took away is like priesthood. Well they took away his priesthood in two thousand eighteen after he confessed to sexually abusing the kids so this is an allegations. He has admitted to doing it. Which is why Yeah that's what i mean. He's taken the fall for somebody. Yeah yeah but he did it like he's still did it. he's just he's throwing his crimes out there so that you don't find out about the other crimes that really happen to someone more important than him. His message to his supporters was his message. When i get out his message to the children of the orphanage be patient. We won't meet again. I will be detained for life. But i will remember you and you have an you have to be happy there. I'm good. I think about it and jerk off all the time each a little bastard literally. A-this disgusting. Yeah so how does the world not step in at some point like jesus christ. This is like chicago. Shootings priests fucking kids. Come on now. i'm gonna give this a little bit little bit of extra extra credit on this one too because he's also wanted in the us on three counts of wire fraud. Good that that paid for his way to africa which is literally because he he secured american funding. Which is what is part of the the wire. The wire fraud that after so. That's what interpol got involved and They just fucking nailed him like he's been nailing children so god. Why can't we just kill. These people fully agree my friend although team where he you probably can. Yeah i would have to assume so. So i just don't understand how this still goes on. I don't know how we don't just you know if if the key kiki was doing something bad we would shut down the whole organization when when people like club of some sort like we go after the entire we go after the hells angels. All as one big. Dan we go. We go after these groups. Why don't we go after the fucking catholic church all at once to see the whole goddamn church is. They're harboring these criminals and we fucking know it. They hide them and move them. Do weird like remote places and don't make them ever pay for their crimes and it's fucking discussing is stupid. I don't get why we don't talk in. Come down on them. As as the world. The un pasa thing fucking come down on the catholic church worldwide. Take the vatican to task on this shit. It's fucking stupid is been going on my whole life. It has to stop but there's literally not only no signs of it stopping but it looks like it's just it's just all all fucking raises ahead. Go ahead no worries. Keep you protected. I know it's insane. I don't get it. I don't understand in eric gordon. Government will definitely. That's that's my big priority. That's every day. I'm not doing something else. I'm doing this hour absolutely. I will make it illegal to be catholic. I'm not going to step on your religion. I'm sure there are good catholics out there. But the starting at the vatican the the administration needs a shake-up. Yeah i mean i love stove. Were pope fucking benedict's fucking number one guy you are going to be in charge your good guy. You are in charge. You're going to make sure that shit like this doesn't keep happening. And then like two years later the guy gets busted for fucking raping kids. Always that right they. Actually the entire organization is untrustworthy. Shows it right then and there one hundred percent and i'm not saying followers i you you're fine it's your organization. It's your priest your leaders. It's not you guys. You're just part of a culture. That's cool but not cool to be part of a cold but you are in. That's it's not your fault. You're easily persuaded when you young by sadistic pedophile. But i don't i don't even get you would want to. Why would you even choose to be catholic right now. I know it's because it's your religion by what you want to be identified with these this group. Yeah i would be like no. I am not that catholic. Now come up with another name. Religion sees their names all the time like the. The mormons got a bad name. So all the sudden were the f. Lds and we all know their mormons. Like why don't the catholics break off. Be like we're not catholics. We're catholics catholics catholics. Ginger name just get away from these fucking priests so that we can kill them. All there is a forget about brown people. Let's get those fucking all the black water and all those guys all those security forces in the middle east get him out of the middle east. Get them into italy and fuck up the vatican. Yeah forget muslims. They're killing each other over there and there are all arm up to have a big three way gang. Bang fucking war over there leaving. let them do it. Go focus on catholic priests. They're doing more money. If i get any bitcoin money at all. Or if this show ever makes a. I'm hiring a blackwater to go to the vatican cert- fucking pedophile. Yeah i don't be a pedophile. Just morning you you don't wanna be a pedophile. When i have any little tiny bit of power fully i cannot. I cannot support anymore. I've this is you. Mother fuckers. Kata stop it's not right. Where's the little kids lives matter movement. Jesus christ why don't we have. I'm not saying anything about black lives matter. I think it's a great thing. I'm glad it happened is happening in heat is at but where is the. Where's the little kids matter movement. Come nobody standing up for these little guys. No i i'd ever hear anyone stand up and say hey this has to stop. I think it's because everybody else has been a victim of it and they're just like well. It's just part of growing up new. it's not. I know because i grew up and i never did was never done to me. No i got out of the church before it happened. I was kicked out of the base. 'cause i'm not baptize. So they told me. I was going to hell and i was like okay. It wasn't much point in me. Being here gotta go. I was eight into eight-year-old. Oh you're you're going home. That was the church of latter day. Saints well there you go okay. Bar meant canadian mormons. so there you go Yeah let's let's do that. I'm rallying season four for you. Fuck it. I don't care what your crime is if you're not a pedophile. You're okay until i'm done with that. We'll we'll come. Game is going down. He just not going to be our focus right. I your your your calls are not going to be taken in the order received. I'm going to prioritize. i'm gonna try. Is criminals like they do in the hospital. They you know. If you're bleeding you get in i. I am going to make a just. It's just my personal preference so you don't know where you're gonna fall on my list mickiejames day to day but i have a latest of the worst to the not. So bad like martha stewart's not taken up jails pacing. My guy roux that space is needed for catholic pedophile. Fucking hell i am. That's my new focus. There my new vegans there. My new flatter. That's it. I'm gonna wanna buy new anti vaccine. Just catholic fucking priests getting it all next year and getting fucking hard to as hard as they give it to little boys or girls in this case but still fuck you just. I'm just gross me out and made me mad now where we i think. That's probably i mean. I the reason why i left to last. I don't even know what to do with it after that. We thought you catholic church. Fuck you pope. Who's the pope. Is it still benedict. Who's the fucking get rid of it. Get rid of it i should. I'm in a letter to the un. god it we're the fuck is your head at cares about kobe world. Where is your fucking head at seriously. Covid really chicago's dying. Hundreds of people at fucking day. Yeah catholics just like what's going on that. We're not hearing about this. It's just the ones we were finding out about. What's the shit that we don't hear. Oh my god so glad. I'm not a kid in the world today. yeah. I'm fucking terrified that i have one and a really super cute one and i just it just. It just terrifies me for all of it really does. I couldn't imagine. I just the thought of raising a child in the catholic church specifically just blows my mind that there's anybody that goes. I think that's a good idea about having a child in this world is fucking terrifying again. I'm not gonna lie. I love her. I wouldn't ever say. I wish she wasn't born or something. I would never even say a phrase like that. Because i think it's terrible to say things like that even if it's for her own good i wish he wasn't born so she didn't have to deal with this. No never say that phrase ever. But god damn i worried all the time all the time yet. Fully agree fully fully delivery. I this want people with guns killing catholics. Yeah i just. I don't understand i just don't understand it. I'm not condoning murder. I am not endorsing murder. I'm not seeing commit murder. I will leave it at that. If murders of catholics happened. I wouldn't probably say bad things about it. Saying i condone it. I'm just saying i understand. I'm just saying if you sent a message. I would report it ally and probably not unfavourably. Because i just i'm a journalist i can't take a side so i can't report it unfavourably. That would make no better than global news. I'm just going to say that if if there is somebody that does go vigilante on it. And i happen to know the name of that person. I don't think i'd release the name. Just i'm it might not be on the top of my list of things to do like maybe if i was walking by the fbi headquarters or something one day. I might stop and go. Hey i know something but the chances of that because they are not in canada are pretty slim. Yeah i might whisper it as i walked by the building and building here. His name was robert. Pulses was that another nothing. Gotta go the first rule of robert hall. Never have you seen okay. Great movie every once in a while. I make a reference like that and people look at me like i'm a fucking aliens. Come on his name. Is robert paulson when they killed me. Low kids talk. He's a good actor. I like him i. The man made to one of the most famous musicians the world you only ever made and only really had two songs fuck in both three songs that by the end of it. Yeah that's that's something that's a good career he's like i'm not gonna fuck up my musical career by making music and crazy ride it out right. Do another album thirty years or so. Spontaneously appeared the occasional wedding. I'm good to go. It looked up vanilla isis booking agent. Today so i'll be getting email off to him to see if i can get into colona this summer. Contingent upon him he has to perform the song from teenage mutant ninja turtles. Two idiots and let me open for them. And i'll wrap. I'll do a whole half hour rap set opening visualize working on my skills right now. The reason the only reason he won't do it we'll get a snow right and forty actually go someone who knows snow. I could get right for. Never happened to him. Like he fucking disappeared is riveted up in toronto. Laugh at his ass off that he ever made a dime. That's what i hear. What does he have a one bedroom. Richest fucked much money. He made off that song. It's canada not much. And he was good with his money is very well off from what. I'm and very didn't take himself seriously as other people apparently and just thought it was kind of a joke you just wrote it out for as long as he could and apparently he's a good songwriter. Boom so i mean how do you how do you wouldn't he my no. Apparently he is a good song right. Ernie rights legit music. He just he wrote that and it was kind of a joke and it went far. He made a tremendous amount of money off it. I'm very good friends with a session musician. Who sits in recording studios and he just like it. Bands need a guitarist. They hire him. You can make good money as a sesame musician. It's a good living but this guy works as a musician. Apparently he's very closely acquainted with snow and they talked about it. I don't. i cannot corroborate any of that except for the part that he did really well with his money in twenty nine thousand nine he was. He was looking at coming up with a new album cool. I would do. If i made the. But i'm gonna try to get him. Oh i have all white rap festival in colona that would be brilliant. He has a net worth a hundred thousand dollars. Dad's probably true. I mean canada. That's that's one of the tenth. Richest people in canada fucking. Dan ackroyd was the richest one for a while. Yelling nine million dollars or something. What is that the the cisco. No the saputo family is the richest in canada. And they're like five billion or something dumb. Yeah i think they just broke the fifteen billion or something. I forget i got it right here. A five ten point four one. yeah okay ten billion. You're not getting invited to lonzo new year's party ten billion no. No that's as of that's as of this month last year at this time last year they were five point two so he's doubled doubled their network in one year his ass. We were talking about them. We did a show about the richest people about a year ago. That's why that number is still fresh in my mind that five billion because we just talked about number five on the list they doubled doubled doubled. How did they re all you. People who say i'm just a crazy conspiracy theorists. Does it bother you just slightly. The richest people in the world all got richer in the last year while we all got poorer that it just sit wrong with. You makes me want to look into that a little. No no. just listen to the numbers where you're listening to these numbers. They went from five billion to ten billion lost. Your jobs follow those numbers idiots david thompson and family number one. That's the woodbridge. yes right. Forty one point one. Four billion on the world stage of billionaires is still minor leagues but canada. That's that is just okay well. Why don't we take some billions in canada and use them to kill fucking catholic priests bulletin that expense yes available. I believe in a fair trial. If you turns you're not one of the pedophile ones. You're good you can to go if you are one of the you die and if you're harboring one of them you're responsible for them hiding and some foreign place then you got an it yet. Absolutely i agree. I mean i'm. I'm going to go right out. My anti-catholic manifesto right now and i will share. It involves death by bear for sure absolutely not a firing squad a bear squad roman style. We all get to watch that a lot of kids. This was a fun episode. Thank you guys for listen like us subscribing stuff. You can do that. I never asked you guys to do that. But if you wanted to chill if you did that's it for tuesday we got one more day. There's people try to make it spectacular for you guys so until tomorrow take care of each other except catholics. If you're in chicago duck and literally read that moment. My screen pause fit. Oh my god. That's funny you back. It always sounds fine. The you've heard on this week's episode. Well the answer is simple. 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Why Are the Democrats Keeping Louis DeJoy?
"A you run. I'm sarah cancer so author of the bestselling books the view for fiber country and hiding in plain sight. I'm andrea chalupa a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the journalistic thriller. Mr jones about stalin's genocide famine in ukraine and the opening song. You heard oh sorry about that would be good and this is gas. Let nation a podcast covering corruption in the united states and rising autocracy around the world and the opening song you heard called. I can't change and inspire. Danny golden dana. Golden is an austin based singer songwriter. A rock and roller and a lifelong searcher for truth and people to share it with he says the artist's job is to investigate the depths of our world and brings some meaning back to the surface. His projects have included members of austin music staples like the black pumas white denim and shakey graves. Shakey graves is a really cool name. Prevent a goldens. Twenty twenty one. Ep changes is his first release in almost two years. It's a lifetime. Look at a man coming to terms with himself and struggles both inner and external a kicks off with a cymbal crash and wallet guitar sound as golden begins to examine a descent into a painful period with a single. I can't change. It's a search filled with dead ends. And i can't change documents to songwriter. Grasping for clarity. We can all relate to that after a fruitless search for answers outside of himself golden finds himself forced to look inward and the music reflects reckoning from this place of self honesty. This most recent collection of songs is another powerful statement and goldens growing discography bulled and broken but putting itself back together. One four hundred time he goes on to create a statement For why he's about the song creating the song help me get through a difficult period depression and releasing. It has given me a chance to hope that my art touches the hearts of listeners. Who need some light in the dark. A lot of elements put me in that place. Mainly destruction very unhealthy relationship and the emotional fallout from that but also very much the daily struggle of trying to exist and trump era. America and search for positivity and meaning amid dot huge fan of mr jones. Thank you very much and the podcast thank you. Your work is so important and incredibly. Well done. And i'm proud to be a patriot. You are a supporter on each riyadh. Wow that is not why we chose you as you as a song as excellent. I wanna say that. Danny personally speaking. I read ellesmere song. I read this and it was inspirational. And you helped me center and get focused in my own creative process currently and i wanna thank you for that and i went out of this. Say how grateful. I am to our production manager. Carlin diggle who came up with this idea to connect us with all the gasoline listeners. Out there through their art by featuring their songs it is so needed personally. Speaking it is so wonderful and it reminds us that we're all in this together and that we are all jumping out of bed and facing what we must base together. We're gonna continue to do it because what we're doing matters we matter and our is a great great way to resist and raging s machinery. Appreciate you danny bergara music. Thank you. now let's get our little hot gruber hobbits together and enter this journey of louis dejoy. Who is the poster child of breaking up the country and selling it for parts. Louis dejoy is of course the big time trump daughter who was installed deliberately postmaster general as trump was a openly trying to steal the election and twenty twenty one way that trump was telling us he was trying to do this was by deliberately slowing down the male and he had Mr privatization louis dejoy to thank for that attempt to mail did indeed slowdown at a time. When we were in a pandemic once in a century pandemic and dependent on the mail in order to cast our votes and so this was part of the pressure cooker our democracy was under was. Would they succeed with making sure. That ballots didn't right back in time. We obviously had to overcome this challenge. Among many others that trump presented along with kremlin friends To try to steal twenty twenty dejoy Is proudly trying to Deteriora- are treasured. Us postal service with very long proud history. A postal service that people depend on for their social security checks for their medicines. Rural areas depend on them. It's a lifeline especially where you have limited internet and louis dejoy does nice care about carrizo first and foremost making money and dodging accountability. And right now. He appears to be doing both. The fbi is currently investigating dejoy for some shady political donations that he made a from slate. I'll read from that now to give you an update. Overlapping with the election. Controversy was joys role as a major republican donor prior to government service and a possible illegal straw donor scheme. He allegedly orchestrated during that time. The washington post first reported on allegations by employers enjoys company that he pressured workers to donate to republican causes and then reimburse them via bonuses all of this would be a clear violation of the law and it is wet. The department of justice is reportedly in now after local law enforcement of north carolina. Said it would not be moving forward with the case so what this whole pressuring employees to donate which is a way of of political Representation it is putting your your political voice out there. That reminds me so much of how you gonna kovic. Try to steal. Be two thousand four presidential election in ukraine part of that sweeping effort of kremlin-backed election stealing in a two thousand four new crane included pressuring employees to hand you over their ballots and then using ballots stuff. The boxes brianna kovic to dejoy did something very similar here. He currently remains the postmaster general. All of us thought when we were making phone calls and getting out the vote for biden and kamala harris that one of the many things we would get with a biden presidency was dejoy being replaced by somebody who actually cares about preserving and improving and protecting the us postal service and making sure that we all get our mail on time the male especially the checks depend on the medicines. We depend on. That has not been the case. Dejoy is still there and it is a horrific horrific testament to the fact that we have not been getting the accountability that we so sorely need to not only bring people to justice for their wrongdoing but to ensure that they don't get away with their schemes. Don't get away with their damage that people do not suffer in the process and right now we all remain vulnerable to joy because what is he going to do to our male. How is he going to milk us for further prophets. How's he going to increase prices. How is he going to deprive people of the connections desperately. Desperately-needed depend on miser literally at state. This is not hyperbole. Literally lives are at stake. And i've noticed that i've been working around all the issues of slowdown male myself For instance. I walked two hours in the snow with a baby carriage to hand deliver. My updated voting status the election board of new york city excited. Trust the mail that get there in time. I had a week. But i didn't trust the mail and get there in time. I recently sent out some checks. They did not arrive. I had to spend ninety dollars. Cancelling those checks ninety dollars using digital of ben mon other things to pay people. Okay so i've been feeling. I feeling new york city. I can't even imagine what people more rural areas are experiencing and let me tell you something biden administration and the democratic party. Whatever people are feeling they live across the country. That's reflected on you. Dejoy is refunded on you. A all of the services. He's providing those r biden services. So why is dejoy till the postmaster general. Yeah exactly and you know. Dejoy joins a number of people in this regard. We did. He episode previously about christopher wray and the mystery of him still being the head of the fbi when he led trump's and his cohorts crimes go on unimpeded. you know he has also as we've noted many times not. Crackdown down on the organizers instigators of the january six capital attacks them and other things but dejoy is probably like the most blatant and obvious person to go. After you know it's it's more unorthodox to remove the fbi had and of course there's you know a story History there have of fbi tangle with russian mafia operations. we've gotten into that on many episodes of previous director. Louis freeh william sessions being working for the russian mafia after they left their positioning of that is a deeply corrupt Body within the us government. That is much more difficult to deal with than the postal service. The postal service is the only. Us governmental institution. Maybe the national park system to that everybody loves and everybody wants preserved and everybody is mad at right now because people are not getting their mail and they recently announced a plan to delay mail even more than it already is. This is not a hidden policy. This is an official plan of the biden administration under louis dejoy so as andrea said. You know we'll why is he. not there. biden did get rid of several trump appointed republican lackeys. Who were there to basically make sure that dejoy remains in his position. That's how he's appointed is through the board of directors of the united states. Postal service the board of governors Is what it's called. And so the way trump was able to get him in was by packing that board and making sure that dejoy who notably also worked alongside michael cohen and others for the republican national committee was able to go to be there to sabotage the election and to move for the destruction of the postal service for personal profit. And so why is he still there. The answer appears to lie in an individual named ron bloom. Who is the vice chair in managing partner of brookfield asset management which i will get to a second and is serving as the chairman of the board of governors of the us postal service. And ron bloom is a democrat in a lot of people falsely assumed that because bloom was the democrat oppose joy. He would save the postal service. You know this venerated and obviously very necessary institution from destruction That is not the case. So what is going on here. Going to read a little bit about ron bloom from the revolving door project and here i quote in twenty sixteen bloom left lazard to join controversial. Private equity firm brookefield asset management as a vice chairman brookefield made headlines in twenty eighteen for allegedly using guitarist financing to lease a manhattan skyscraper from the kushner family while jared kushner was serving as a senior white house adviser last december democratic. Senator ron wyden and congressman joaquin. Castro opened a formal probe into brookefield dealings with kushner companies and gutter focusing on whether it's guitarist financed bailout of kushner's six fifth avenue was linked to trump's withdrawal of support for the saudi led blockade of gutter since being appointed by trump to the postal board in twenty and nineteen. Ron bloom has served as a reliable vote both for dejoy and his agenda amidst the national outcry against joys dismantling of mail sorting machines last year bloom did not respond to pressing greece about his thoughts under joys leadership the subsequent chaos caused by joys operational changes prompted new jersey congressman bill pascrell to call for the immediate firing of bloom and the rest of the board for their quote silence and complicity in a deliberate campaign to subvert vote by mail elections and destroy the post office when asked by the atlantic earlier this year about whether joys operational changes that affected the situation bloom offered a jaw dropping response that such claims were quote absolute s and called the agency's handling of twenty twenty mail in ballots quote. Awesome and amazing. You then added that dejoy will quote have my support until he doesn't and i have no particular reason to believe he will lose it so yet again. We have an individual connected to the trump. A crime call a continuation a direct continuation. This case of the transnational crime syndicate masquerading the government that we have gone over so many times and what is really disturbing here. isn't just biden's refusal to fire this individual and then fired joy which is completely feasible. This is a decision to actually is. In biden's hands it is not in the hands of congress There's no one else really blame here. Is that this is the direction we are heading. Generally as a country regardless of which party holds the reins of power the only difference is in acceleration alyssum sociopaths the sadism and also the marketing and packaging of what is at heart regardless who is in power stripping this country down and selling it for parts getting rid of the postal service which enables people to vote by mail enables people to get their medications enables people to get necessary government documents on time in addition to being the major force during a pandemic still on country survives like this is not the 'institutionalised actions. You know a lot of times. In the biden administration does something people. Excuse it by saying they're following protocol they're following norms their 'institutionalised that is not what this is. This is purposeful. This is new. This is destructive. This is the action of somebody content to deny americans basic goods and services as well as destroy the very mechanisms that enabled the democrats to get into office in the first place which included the ability to vote by mail and so people should ask why the buzzword that the biden administration is using to describe. These sorts of actions is called asset recycling. And you should watch for this word because what it really is is privatization of essential goods and services. It's the takeover of beloved public institutions and facilities by plutocrats. Ron bloom by oligarchs You know and this is something that has been their whole. Lives like andrea. And i are. Reagan didn't like we have never seen our country move in a direction other than this but it is so profoundly disturbing That after forty years to see it's still moving in this direction. Accelerating in this direction and of course doing so it change when we really need to be going in the opposite direction and making sure that corrupt individuals like ron bloom liked joy and certainly like the members of the trump administration do not have control over something as fundamental and basic as the postal service. Like it's like if you can't rescue the postal service. I don't know how you then got out the rot in the doj in the fbi in the i. r. s. in all of these other much more corrupt agencies they have actually taken one of the few uncorrupted agencies and made it deeply corrupt and dysfunctional. And so yeah you should be asking yourself why. This episode of gas nation is sponsored by best teams puzzle game. You can play on your phone. We're all way past due for less stressful and more refreshing summer when you download best teams you can give your brain dose of refreshment all year long. 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I'm not even going to repeat because these guys are all masters gas lighting up to the washington post provided an investigation on how dejoy us continuing destruction of the. Us postal service is going to slow down the mail even further and the most vulnerable of course are those who live in rural areas The people that biden likes to think he wants to reach right. We assume that biden wants to be president for all americans including those living out in rural areas that are dependent on the male. So they're going to be hit. The hardest according to the reporting pushing back against this our tree generals from twenty one states led by pennsylvania and new york. And then you have in the house. Democrats introduced legislation to block dejoy plan to continue his destruction of the us. Postal service naming it delivering envelopes judiciously on time year round. Act or dejoy. Act very well done democrats in the house. We give you points when you earn the points. And you've been awarded some now for this so bottom line is that dejoy represents the handmaiden of talk crecy. You got to pull those. We gotta stop those guys. You've got to contain them or it's just gwen spot control get worse than you have a budget. Disaster capitalists koi stirred and profiting off the ashes of of your country as it's being hit by climate change. This is not unique united states. You have the new health minister in the uk who has a six-figure consulting deal jp. Morgan a bank that would very much like to privatize uk healthcare so the uk is struggling with presently as well in the midst of a pandemic. They do not care as i is. We repeat often on this show from the phrase. I heard a back in kiev. When i was living there. In two thousand five guys like dejoy they see the people as the shift grow their money and human life means nothing to them. That is why we need strong government. We need strong regulations. We need accountability. We need to do everything we can now to roll back. The reagan revolution that has allowed guys like dejoy to run amok created a culture where it's absolutely fine to exploit human life for profit and they worship not a christian god as they may think they worship a free market ideology first and foremost thighs. What this is out. Yup absolutely in on that. No on the kind of elite criminal impunity that makes The spread of cryptocurrency possible regardless of who is actually in power. I think we can move along to the trump organization corruption investigation which is making all sorts of headlines. This week in has over the last month A lot of rumors a lot to speculation a lot of bullshit. I'm just gonna read a little summary of the situation from rolling stone. You know maybe by some sort of merkel. By the time this episode airs the situation will have changed with some actual indictments attend to doubt it but anyway this is a one paragraph summary in may a grand jury convened to hear evidence from prosecutors a signal that the investigation of the trump organization could be entering its final stages. The da's office that would be Cyrus vance we've mentioned many times in the show who is best known for leading criminal leads off the hook. The da's office is reportedly zeroing in on longtime trump organization. Cfo alan westberg probing whether he failed to pay taxes on fringe benefits received from trump including cars apartments in private school. Tuition for his grandchild. The da's office has reportedly seized weisselberg personal financial records and he could be facing charges as soon as the summer. According to the new york times prosecutors are also investigating whether trump organization. Coo matthew calamari enjoyed similar tax free benefits indicating the alleged illicit activity could be a company wide issue. G think so. I mean like one of the reasons i resorted to reading that paragraph is i had to remind myself what is actually being litigated. Because what is behind this story. This does not even remotely scratch the surface of what the trump organization has been doing for forty years which is the time that weisselberg has basically been working there. The crimes carried out the front companies. They operated the endemic corruption. Michael cohen gave probably the biggest public view of this when he testified in congressional hearings in february. Twenty nineteen like trump is a career criminal. These are his lackeys. These are his front people. And you know a lot of folks seem to want to view this. This assertive al capone on tax situation. I don't think that that is appropriate. For what trump is done in executive office or beforehand. I think he is more dangerous. I think is abuses of at in the capacity as president fallen through different category. It's not even quite appropriate for weisselberg. Because he's unlikely to actually face prison time or substantial charges the same is true of calories. What is maybe most likely to happen. Here is the trump organization folding going bankrupt but again this is not new for trump. You know in the late. Nineteen eighty s early. Nineteen ninety s trump had a number of bankruptcies. This is as we said before. How the russian mafia entered his orbit in a more severe way. They were the people who bailed him out there. The people who rebuilt these properties. And so you know. We have a lot of shifting goalposts here from The justice porn crowd who are pinning all of their hopes on individuals unable to see the forest for the trees in year. You know what we have is a multi decade criminal plot that he bankruptcy is not going to deter at this point because trump is now operating with special status as a malevolent post-presidential demagogue who has basically been declared above. The law by merrick garland episode on him where we went through the many unprecedented ways. That merrick garland In his capacity as the attorney general is acting just as bill barr did as trump's personal attorney making him immune from prosecution making him immune from personal lawsuits like the one brought forward by eugene carroll who she has proved that trump raped her. Like this is the situation where in its sprawling it enchaine google's corporate corruption with state crimes. You know this is not an end with organized crime. This is also not a new phenomenon. as we've mentioned before muller himself robert mueller warned about this in a speech in two thousand eleven labeling these three interlocking phenomenon. The iron triangles. You know what we cover the iron triangle acting as bars over the process of justice itself. And we have a virtuoso in the position of da. We have cyrus vance You know who is retiring sitting there making decision about how far this investigation is going to go. How deep the prosecution's if there are any Will be and he has a history you know. He let don jr. and ivanka off the hook ten years ago. I imagine if they hadn't been this is for Financial corruption deals involving trump. So we wouldn't have had them in the white house we possibly wouldn't have had donald trump in the white house. If he had done his job. Then you also let off jeffrey. I've seen harvey weinstein dominique. Strauss kahn. you know there's long pattern and the pattern is elite criminal impunity and obviously we want this to change once again just like with the louis dejoy situation. We have an opportunity for change. We don't have trump as the president. We don't have bill barr. As the attorney general we have a number of new individuals. Who if they were acting in what is in the best interest of justice. The best interest in this country's national security and sovereignty. They would be prosecuting these individuals to the fullest extent. Possible like it's not personal it's not about. Revenge is about the fact that this is organized. Crime infiltrating every major institution and body of this country. You know and it's not just trump like you could look at the epstein maxwell operation and you can see similar patterns. You see these tentacles reaching out in multiple directions through big tax through universities through research institutes and so on but it needs to be vigorously and quickly investigated and prosecuted. They had decades to do this. They decades to stop this monster from growing and now the have really the best opportunity possible. you know being that trump is out of power being that the democrats hold majorities and so forth. This is the time to do it. And i you know as much as i would love to see this happen and again. I really hope i'm wrong. I think it's unlikely you know. And i i don't know andrea. What are your thoughts. Is this going anywhere is just another lake. Mary gets jared kushner. Paul manafort mike flynn roger stone type situation. So if you ever talked to any of the fantasy football league legal announcers on cable news. And you see these guys privately and you're like what the hell man whereas Where's the accountability as the indictments. Worst prison sentence. What will say to you privately. In an i'm sure they status as they get excited about every little new headline that sivan's produces they like to point out that the justice system takes time. It takes time. Everybody has the right to a fair trial. Everyone has the right to legal counsel so let me respond to that. Very measured approach. We are in a society. Now where citizens united has unleashed a massive stairway raid infused legal system for the very very very rich in this country. Worse than anything we had before that just stops on anybody else who simply doesn't have as much money to compete. Rich people can sue which people can drag it out on the courts. If you try to retrieve accountable they will just have their lawyers. Just drag it out and drag it out and they will be doing this now through courts that have been packed by mitch. Mcconnell donald trump with our right ideological judges thirty percent of the courts are now trump judges and these were dirty. People ideologically speaking who are selected because they knew full. Well why they're being selected the judiciary cage bars on authoritarianism on the closing. A democracy on rising autocracy. And that's what we have now. So if you want to trust legal system where citizens united and thirty percent of our courts packed by a russian asset corrupt mob. Boss are what we're relying on. See any justice. You would understand why. Sarah keep the show going. Even though we're called all sorts of things like the spirituals or whatever america's on a cliff right now we're teetering and the justice we do have is grassroots. Justice is calling this out by were putting pressure. We name and shame. That's the justice that's remaining left to us and that isn't powerful justice. That does matter. We cannot let up because it can get so much worse than this and by calling biden by name by calling. Ron bloom by name and saying this is on you. Those lives uttered rule. America that are dependent on the mail for their checks for their medicine. Those lives are on you as blood on your hands. You could enrich the joys cronies and so joy can read his time at. Usps and retire to some cushy raking in cushy consulting deals and all those things. that's what you're setting up you're paying for that with innocent lives and you're going to be paying for that. The ballot box. Because that's on you. Dejoy is now the democrats brand of utter lack of accountability injustice. So where the courts are compromised. Because of trump mitch mcconnell's court packing where american justice is generally compromised because of citizens united and all the dark money. That's allowed to flow. And all the all garcs like basis and bill gates and warren buffett refute tax dodging and relying on the rest of us to paradoxes taxes. So that roads get paid. Teachers get paid right all of that. Tax dodging by americans. All guards are allowing the income inequality crisis to continue to get worse. Romania has storage levels. So what i'm telling you is that america has become an all garki. It's growing into a clip talk rec- where the very rich the very third are enjoying a very different legal system and the rest of us and that gives them all types of comfort and peace of mind and stability because they can just rag things out in the courts. And so what you're seeing with five investigations all of that. It's just cable news fodder. The real justice is on the gasoline nation action. I on gas nation dot com. That's what it comes down to. Why do we know that. Because when you're up against such large forces what can rebalance the scales smart organizing and smart community building. That's what the civil rights movement was. Why do you think we opened. The gasoline nation action guy with a memoir case study written by martin luther king on how he as a young man organized montgomery bus boycott that was organization against powerful financial forces and they stood up to it and they were able to sustain it and grow into something much larger that inspired the world so yes the odds are stacked against us but yes. The power is in our hands to take back our country. We do have that in us. We do have a very strong legacy to stand on and that legacy. I wanna point out was largely driven and built by black and brown people on the soil. And so when you talk about critical race theory which is essential. You went to understand how we got into the situation first place. Because it's it's the study with the return. How america was built. Came out of authoritarian. Our still plagued by the forces of that. Currently our whole hope lies in understanding that. It's archer now in america's long history in confronting these authoritarian forces. It's our turn now in confronting america's proud heritage of exploiting bodies for profit. It's our turn out to do this. Work is our turn out to be abolitionist. it's our turn now to understand liberation. What it means who needs it. who's most vulnerable. Now they coming after because they're going to go after the most vulnerable always do the marginalized community the black and brown people. Lgbt communities and so forth. but they'll always come after you next even if you're someone privilege they're coming after your water coming out of the quality of your air. They're coming after coming after your veil literally right before is coming after you next. None of us are safe. And the only way to protect ourselves is to accept the power that we have within us it except the power of community except the power of smart grassroots organizing. Because it does matter and it didn't matter they wouldn't be trying so hard to steal vote would be trying so hard to consolidate power. They wouldn't be trying so hard to pack the courts. They are scared of us. First and foremost wouldn't be doing all this corruption or aggressively. It's on us now to do what we can to owner power clamor power and never lose sight of these excuses. If people offer of just way you know look for the savior justices coming. The wheels of justice grind slowly but grinds like the wheels of justice are like run you over in the road like killing you're getting scooped up by Republicans who are feasting off the corpse. Like i don't know what else to say. Yes grassroots power at least as dependable power in the sense that it is yours. You know you are not asking for permission. You are making demands entree. I know you had some words to say about certain. Individual in the media and their representation of all of these corrupt situations as briefly preface says spy again encouraging. People not to fall for the illusion of justice being served actually look for hard evidence if that evidence is there. Then that's fantastic. And we're all cheering in unison. Together that the tide has indeed finally turn. That hasn't happened yet. There is a story week That occurred that. Got people briefly excited. Which is that rudy. Giuliani had lost his license to practice law in new york. This is long overdue. Eh should've avenue ages ago. It's obviously good. I suppose that it happened. Now since he shouldn't be practicing law anywhere but again. This is another one of those stories. Were folks get real amped up and they kind of missed the point. The point of this particular case is that a trump lawyer is not there to practice. Law are never there to practice law. They are there to be a fixer and a threaten her. Which is what giuliani was and that was following a well trodden path laid by ray cone and michael cohen. Who incidentally were both also disbarred after serving as trump's lawyer the entire time that giuliani was acting as trump's quote unquote lawyer as trump was the president. Giuliani was not actually licensed to practice law in washington. Dc everything he was doing. All of those press conferences were first spectacle and the media rewarded giuliani with a perch to spew propaganda. Because they wanted access and you would think that you know. Perhaps given the massive death toll from a preventable global plague or the violent seditious attack on the capital that the media would learn to not promote. People like giuliani and to not rehabilitate people. Like bill barr and jared kushner who are currently profiting off of their crime. Sprees in the forms of books and interviews. Pseudo tells that basically are just you know scandal covering crime yet again a media culpa like a fake apology if there even as an apology tour or the confession of something that can't be prosecutable in order to cover up the absolute atrocities in illegalities that they committed and there are a lot of journalists. Who went along for this ride. During the trump administration and still don't seem to have learned their lesson. And at this point. I'm gonna turn it over to you. Andrea. 'cause i know you had a lot prepared here. Yes so an important focus of gasoline. Nation is to be a time capsule where we remind people of. You've been recent history ground ourselves. In this deliberately chaotic news cycle. it's s era. Said they cover up. Crimes with scandal may do that very very well and they're still doing it so we like to stay grounded in the history of in recent history so folks understand how we got here and how widespread the rajas that brings us to our old friend. Ken vogel of the new york times. So he's back at it as they say we all know the whole story. Paul manafort we've documented. Putin start fader remain times on this show. Anybody who followed ukraine for a very long time knew that paul manafort coming over and managing donald trump's campaign for president the kremlin was here. Because paul manafort billy worked kremlin interests and ukraine for a decade before coming over to the us to run trump's election but his longtime client began coach putin's pop and ukraine sony estimated forty two hundred billion dollars. That's billion with a b. From ukrainian state from taxpayers and use that stolen money to enrich himself and his family and their cronies. So what this comes down to is that my sister's we've also dock mouna show the former contractor for the dnc who risked her life and career to warn both democrats and republicans that paul manafort running. Trump's campaign meant that there was a crumlin connection. This again was very obvious. My sister warning people about this in two thousand sixteen was not the story. The fact that the intelligence community the fbi that was invited by ukraine to come in to find the tens of billions of dollars. Kobe stole the fbi. Knew paul manafort was. That's the story of the intelligence community in the officials that are charged with protecting us. Failed to stop paul far from getting anywhere near. Us presidential race and allowing trump to come to with his kremlin connection and dependence on dirty russian. Money was able to come to power first place. That's the story not what my sister did in trying to warn everybody. What she did was patriotic and she paid a great price for it. She and her family so my sister was went out of her way in two thousand sixteen to warn everybody and was as we talked about. The show was getting death threats. There there was an attempt to break in our home. Her phone was hacked. Jamal was hacked. It was just very. There's that song that threatening song that was appearing on her on her phone. Listen i rap. Assoc- the hell that she was. Put it through all for one out the obvious. That putin's darth vader was now in the us. We looked into personal security. Privacy are expensive instead to protect wanted to raise her profile. That's one way of doing it. If you don't have the money for bodyguard you raise your profile so you become a name of voice so that they have a harder time making disappear and she was talking to press a lot for that reason ecorse especially to get the truth out and during this time she was Became too late. When trump was elected. She got a warning from a friend. That the trump transition team was asking around about her trending up dirt on her to try to hurt her and around. This time she met a reporter at politico by the name of ken vogel who wanted to speak with her. And so they did some interviews and a couple of months later can bogle came out with a kremlin information hit piece on my sister painting her and ukraine as meddling in the two thousand sixteen election to hurt trump and help hillary and his big source. For this piece is headpiece was a ukrainian. Who in my opinion looks like gives a very strong. Tony soprano vibes by the name of an ugly telecinco and this was the big source. And we'll get back to tell us go later. What happened to him and so. Ken bogo announces. This big hit piece on my sister on twitter by saying something to the effect of there is no proof that russia meddled in the election but there is proof that ukraine meddled and then he goes on to grab bodos for my sister's facebook page including photo of her at a social event for women at the ukrainian embassy where she's with other members of the korean diaspora. A bunch of women hanging out friends of hers. Ken vogel is putting that on twitter as part of his big claim that my sister was essentially doing for ukraine with paul manafort. He's doing for russia. So this was a master projection. Not just is now as these guys are good at So ken boggles disinformation. Hit piece comes out and politico and no one really notices it other than the far right because the day before. Buzzfeed publishes the steele dossier. And that's when all hell broke loose from people were finally catching up to me and my sister that allowed trump really does have all these connections. So ken vogel's kremlin hippies gets eclipsed by that big damning juicy credible report by the former spy who ran the russia desk for the british government. Christopher steele the kremlin fights back against the steele dossier which alleges based on several sources that the kremlin cultivated trump as their asa including Compromise over him. How does the kremlin fightback putin's chief. Propagandist hoon's sean hannity. A zenith obe by the name of dmitry. Kislyak who wants declared an abroad cast that quote. Russia remains the only country in the world capable of turning the usa into radioactive ash. So putin sean hannity an entire segment claiming that the russia gate scandal. The us was invented by my sister with my help. I make a cameo appearance. And we're like the ukrainian illuminate because ukraine of course all its struggles near-annihilation under stalin is also powerful and pulling all the puppet strings and my sister and i are like the george soros or something that's the kremlin's line of attack and it's on main russian propaganda. It's on their main tv network. This narrative builds ken. vogel's crumlin. disinformation hippies and politico. It's all snowballing. And the kremlin republican party fan the flames of these attacks against my sister this throughout trump's entire time in power as his defense trying to turn the tables by accusing her of what they themselves were doing. They did this to escape accountability. They did this to harass my sister. Try to ruin. Her silence are to punish her. It was a relentless attack by the republican party and a foreign hostile state against an american mother of three are ukrainian heritage which we were raised. You proud of was weaponized against us. Sean hannity at fox news pushes this. Nonsense senator lindsey. Graham asked christopher wray during his confirmation hearing biak. bi director whether he will investigate my sister. Debbie nunez a proud attack dog for both trump and by extension the kremlin relentlessly went after my sister throughout the impeachment. Hearings saying her name so many times that we ran a montage of it on this show. Trump himself of course tweeted about this as did his idiot son. Junior rudy giuliani in his demented quest to force ukraine to in bet investigations into trump's opponents which trump himself drove person is extortion of the president crane relentlessly when after my sister. Here's audio of giuliani and twenty. Nineteen pressuring ukrainian officials to investigate her. What might area concern. Were and Then we could discuss it for my my involvement in this came about because way back in one last november. I got into trauma reliable. Investigators international investigators that was assured amount of activity in ukraine during the twenty sixteen election. That was that involved. Ukrainian officials and ukrainian sits up mostly officials being asked by our embassy possibly by other american officials. basically i mean they. The statement was to produce dirk on then pending trump. And paul manafort and that district jordan a big long thing Over a course of about four or five butts getting produce information about manafort and about the trump campaign and even possibly about trump and that it was the most prominent thing being this black ledger of metaphors which was found on the doorstep of a parliamentarian and then delivered to the embassy the fbi. I don i think you cranny and inspector general and also given to the pressure and give rich would offer for the democratic national committee. Woman named shoveled. So what happened to ken. Vogel's original source who launched kremlin headpiece. Needless to say he goes on to be sanctioned for part of the kremlin's information campaign. You try to help trump steal yet. Another presidential election in twenty twenty and he's banned from entering the united states. This was ken vogel source. It turned out a guy who gives off ukrainian. Tony soprano vibes. Can't be trusted. Any credible board order would have seen through telecinco. But ken vogel is not credible reporter he may be seen as one by the cloistered world of washington. Dc by people who don't dare satellite dare risk their precious quote unquote credibility to scream about the kremlin's attack our country as it was happening. Can bobo credible journalist. Those who do not have to live with the impact of trump's destruction and the destruction of those who failed to hold him and his family and their cronies accountable. so ken vogel's infamous kremlin. Hit piece was so infamous that the washington post wrote an article about it listing all the credible people who discounted the narrative and pointing out that politico's owner porting contradicted it. So why would can vogel do such a thing. Can bogle also try to invent a similar scandal early in the twenty twenty presidential election. That joe biden as president tried to get ukraine's a train general fired the same attorney general investigated a company that had the president's son hundred. Don sport will that investigation place. Even before hundred biden joined the board yet. Ken bogle blue that story up into another breathless scoop. Ukraine watchers alike myself and many others pointed out that everyone who cared about fighting corruption in ukraine wanted that chief prosecutor prosecutors sacked because the guy was corrupt. He was a fox guarding the hen house. Why are we talking about all this now. Because on the day of the biden putin summit the federal election commission the fcc decided to announce that a rare bipartisan decision had been reached to dismiss a case brought by trump's former attorney general. Matthew wigger whittaker took. This station is claims from cannibals. Crumlin is information headpiece and tried to turn it into yet another costly investigation harassing the fcc dismissed and who in the new york times announces the news recently that the fcc dismissed this case none other than canada goal. Ken vogel writes an article linking to his original political kremlin hit piece against my sister failing to disclose. He was the one who wrote it. It was so bizarre. It's like this guy helps and bent the news and then quickly breathlessly reports on on the shit disturbance caused and created. Is this what it takes to be a reporter today. As hedge funds gobble up newsrooms layoff journalists. Creating serious shortage of newsroom. Jobs do journalists. Today need to peddle sensationalism even if it means trying to destroy innocent lives in the process. Ken vogel is no better than any boardroom. Executive who wants to burn forest and the amazons. We'll make room for cattle-raising or hide a climate change report so protect big oil. Ken vogel should not be normalized. Can vogel should not be imitated. Ken vogel is an extremely troubling sign. We'd last ken vogels in the world and more public servants in journalism. Who understand the true meaning of the profession. And what it takes aligning yourself with power to help them. Further their agendas which include an illegal power grab solid power intimidating witnesses. Obstructing justice threatening judges dangling pardons getting away with mass murderer and a violent attempt to. That's who can vogel was eating with when he was furthering his career with what's known as win the day journalism reporters so sociopathic lamb vicious. They went to grab your attention with a big juicy. Since atia is story with zero concern for who will hurt or how will set our democracy back who cares. As long as it goes viral to be clear. America's problems are homegrown but the kremlin's eating of the worst of america is like providing a massive dose of steroids. You know how the kremlin doped up athletes at the olympics. And a bunch of other competitions kremlin doped up the republican party. And they're happy to take that help. That's what we're up against and were still up against it. Because too many people including some of ken vogel sources should be in prison and instead are walking free we have to leave a record of this and put it in the time capsule because future historians half understand who this mess who helped create it. They need to name to journalists that lost their way and canada. Bogle is one of those names that in any objective. Retelling of this history should be immortalized. Along with walter durante. The moscow bureau chief for the new york times during stalin's nineteen thirty three famine in ukraine. Who wrote as people died. From man-made starvation the highest numbers wrote in the new york times quote there is no famine. You know we wanted to use the article in the film. Mr jones directed by national holland. Who herself had survived soviet repression and in time in prison. The woman is a legend. The new york times said now it was like the new york times rejected holding. Walter durante accountable. And it all makes sense now because they clearly refuse to hold can vogel accountable and a damage. He's done by letting ten mobile right. The article about an investigation at his kremlin. Disinformation hippies helped launch in normalized. Ken vocals recklessness at the new york times refuses to learn from its own history. The new york times is doomed to repeat that history expect more. Ken vogels if they're allowed to hurt. Innocent people this way. 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End of 2020 TV recap with blogger Brian Samuels
"Hello hello this is reality of reality. I'm elise arose in a longtime tv producer and development executive every week on the podcast. I talked to interesting people in all aspects of unscripted content so we are back by popular demand with my fran. Tv blogger. brian samuels. He is the author of the blog. Tv uncovered he watches so much tv more than me even and we love texting back and forth about stuff. We're watching so you guys have probably listen to recaps before and this is now. I think becoming our biannual end of year. Tv recap hello and welcome back ryan. Always a pleasure i. We're we're back by popular. Demand will by s where the popular demanding may. You're right we are because we do we attack so often about stuff through the course of the year that it just it feels right to kind of have it all come together. We can just hash it out over an hour and maybe enlightened people on some stuff to watch or to avoid at all costs exactly so one thing that i started doing you may or may not know is that i do start almost every podcast talking about what i'm watching but i don't go too in depth because i know that you and i will get into some shows that we both watch but for those regular listeners. They may here. Some repeats of stuff that i've talked about before but brian brings so many new shows to the table. That you'll have plenty to choose from. Okay so we're going to start you have compiled thank you very much you have compiled your top. Ten shows twenty twenty. So let's start from number ted and make your way to number one please. You have the car i wanted. I do want to preface this. By saying i struggled to put this list together. I feel like the year in television. Came up a little bit. lackluster not surprisingly. But i do. I do want to say that. This was not an easy ten to put together where i was looking at fifteen and had cut five or struggled to fill the top. Ten fair will will rattle them off. Number ten is a show. I know you didn't like or didn't watch called debs. i was on hulu. I just thought it was interesting. It was different Number nine and other show. I'm guessing you don't watch. Which is the animated series. Big mouth on netflix. As well though that's on my last is people very grass very very love that number eight another show. I know you didn't watch which is dispatched from elsewhere which was amc show. That i found very interesting in different number seven another show. I know you didn't watch. This is incredible. My list so far is not a single show. You watch live. Resent have a few coming up. Okay number seven his. Hbo's betty where reporters or something. Yes talked about this. Yes and you said to me. I don't think anybody else in the country is watching the show besides you and lo and behold makes my top ten. Wow wow by the way. I stand by. That have not heard of a single person talking about or writing about it betty. Check it out it's on. Hbo number six yet. Another that you do not watch. Which is apple's ted lasso which we will talk about okay. I gave it a try but we will get back to number five or show you do. What did watch the queen's gambit yes. We'll talk about that as well. About number four another one. You didn't watch. I may destroy you. Hbo we'll talk about that number. Three is dave on fx. Did you watch that show. I watched like five minutes. I know everybody loves it. I got a chance. I don't know. I'm getting picky number. Two better call saul. We've talked about this before. I've watched a lot. Better call saul and cannot getting. Can i watched like the first seven episodes of season one. And unlike if it doesn't get better and i just gave up and i know i would love it but i just can't go back here at this point i've i've rattled off. Nine shows have watched one for numerous. I watched the whole thing drummer. Please number one. Which if you've listened us before should rise no one. Is the last dance. The chicago bulls documentary available on netflix. In my opinion as native chicago bulls fan the greatest show in the history of television. And i neither of those things and radio and television but it was absolutely probably my number probably my number one show of the year to well after the crown close second to the crown right which which we will get to top ten list. It's not necessarily would all of the The the critics across the nation might include in their top ten. I think i have some some outliers in there. But you know a handful that thinker consensus shows and then some that are just personal preference. Well all right. Let's start with a few from the list. So ted lhasa look. You're in good company. The critics love it. I watched not even maybe the first full episode. I didn't get it. I didn't get what it was like. I was like this is a comedy but it's not funny is a dark comedy because i didn't get it like what is it. It's a comedy but it's really. I will say this. It does take a minute to warm up Let it bake a little bit in the second half of season one was much stronger than the first half in my opinion. Now that's not going to persuade you to get back into it because once you're out you're out but it is a show that i was not one hundred percent sold on from the jump but i stuck with it upon other people urging me to do so and that i did because it turned out to be a really really good show it has been renewed for not only the second season but also a third so listen i you are not the only person who has told me how much they love it now. Having said that will i go back and watch it. Maybe that's you're not going to go back and watch it well. It's my phone. So if i ever travel again it's possible i will watch it on the plane. Mad watching shows on your phone to begin with. But if i'm on the planet choice so that's twenty twenty three wins lasso. When we're traveling again. I do okay. So i made destroy you put in your top ten so and we may have talked about this last time so if you guys have a better memory than us forgive us so look everybody and their mother loves the show all the critics rave about people totally love it. I think i will go back to. Here's my issue and you're gonna laugh. My issue is that. I couldn't understand where they were saying. Because of the cockney british accents and mike my spectrum cable has crappy close captioning so i watch everything in closed captioning on hulu and netflix and amazon. No matter what every word. I just love to not miss anything. However the spectrum closed caption socks. And it's like it's going to distract me. I understand that to a certain degree. And i knew this because you told me that you could not handle where they were saying. I just realized i have a workaround. This is hanukkah miracle hanukkah miracle now that hbo. I tells you. I put on the list at the end of the list. I said all i want for christmas is hbo maximum roku lows. We saw christmas come early. Hannukah come right on time. They have given us. Hbo max it was announced that they're gonna be streaming roku so i can watch it on roku with proper subtitles. I would employees to do so. It's a really it's a really good show. It's really well done As you said it is being loaded if you look at lists of the best shows of twenty twenty Four out of five lists will have this show number one two or three so it is just like when i read about it. I'm like this. Seems like the kind of show i would like so that one. I really will go back to now. I know oh. Sorry i was. I was gonna move on unless you wanted to say something. I'm just saying to people that haven't watched that. Show even for purposes of you know being part of the conversation. It's to show that that you should watch 'cause like i said everyone under the sun is putting it as a top three show for twenty twenty and if you're any form of a herd mentality type person than just just watch it. It's it's an easy watch and shorter episodes and the address. The star is being loud as like the next phoebe waller bridge. I mean she's everyone's telling her genius also she had created. There's an interesting back story. And i forget a lot of the yes. Something where she pitched in one place and they low balled her so she stuck to her guns or. It's like all vaguely familiar. I think i think the show. Netflix wanted it but she was. She was holding her ground on some back end as part of the deal may steadfastly said no and she said okay. Then i'm not interested and land. I think bbc came back and gave her the deal she wanted so she did the show with them and the hbo took it love. Yup baller move. Yeah so you recommended defending jacob to me on our last podcast and you're correct. I really liked it very well. Done again disappointed. That i had to watch it on my computer. Because it's apple so my wish for twenty twenty one other than you know peace on earth and health and the vaccine is that i get apple. I'm roku then then everything will be good in the world. I mean one thing at a time. I'm getting a little crazy. I wanna say this about defending jacob. Compresses hot is that what you're gonna say wasn't what i was gonna say shocking. I can see that. Compare that sue the undoing. Did we discussed. Yes we did taxed and and you be my rage. Oh okay so spoiler alert. Young doing is beyond. He hasn't yeah which boiling. So the last episode of the undoing ruined what was otherwise a really really good show agree. We were all sitting waiting for twist a twist. Turn something and it never happened in. The last episode became just plain old stupid now. One might argue that. The end of defending jacob was not exactly the most exciting fantastic however. I actually forget it. Oh my head. was it a twist. It was a twist. She was in the car with her son driving. Yes that was a twist that gave us a twist so same type of final episode right in the car with dr but not good. No but the dad did it right in defending jacob. He didn't do it did he. We don't know all right. that was annoying. We don't know. And she drove the car right into the reich. She was thinking that he probably was guilty. I think i think he was guilty but hopefully just spoiled that for anyone. Listen at this point. It's been on apple for like a year. I don't know what to tell you. Spoilers yeah i mean what can i say. Spoilers abound but the undoing was such a disappointment. Because you're right. It was look. It's not like it was a great show before but it was fun. It was like a good ride and we went along for the ride. And they planted all these red herrings and we were so you know you and i were texting on my dad. The lawyer friend right the dads the dad of the dead woman and had all these great theories and then in the end now it was nothing. It was the same fucking person we thought from day. One the show was so well done up to that point like the if you really did a deep dive into wardrobe and the those apartments in new york city just everything was great. Except for donald sutherland's eyebrows. Everything was great and then it just it all was for not with that ending so out this not your eight as a huge disappointment all right. Let's move on. I can't believe you don't watch the crown dariel. I know a british period. Piece is just doesn't doesn't do it for me. That being said i respected everybody who watches it loves it and you know maybe when the holidays hit and i have absolutely nothing to watch. I'll give it a shot. You said that last year listen. Here's what say he's got a good coach with your wife and the first episode or two. It's slow like i actually was one of those went back. You know maybe like six months to a year later celebs boring. I don't care seem as you like and it is. I'm really knowing everything you like. I can almost guarantee you like this show. It has it all right. But i'm not saying like you're right away but but but it doesn't need that you know. Some shows like on. Never forget that. Show with coach taylor and see space lights. No god perfect coach taylor. I'm saying that was with him in florida. Oh bloodline yes. That took seven episode. That's almost the entire season to get good. And you bet. I stuck with it. This show. You only need like one episode and then you're like okay. I'm in so good just please. I do trust you all right. Emily in paris shows discuss. You did much to do. I did watch it. Did i did. I'm gonna tell you why i love it. Oh it's because she's from chicago and there was a conversation about the type of pizza and there's this whole thing about lou malnati's pizza and an article about it and that that was it right and it's weirdly addictive like it's so bad but as addictive i i mean i've stuck with the didn't watch it in one fell swoop like over a weekend took time but yes i got through right and will you. Us second season. How could i not you. Well are queen's gambit. This is a this is going to be all the critics lists. I really liked it. It was another one that You know at the beginning of like like this. And then i stuck with it. Here's what i'll say about it. Somebody said this on twitter so it's not original thought but i thought that's exactly how i feel. I could this. You will feel this way. But like the perfect queens. Get sorry acquaint. Yeah the perfect means gamut show from me would have been just the story of her adoptive mom and her like every ceo. You know they were in together right. I told you that wouldn't be your thing but like i was mesmerized by that woman who happens to be an amazing director too. She that the the mom. She's incredible actor but like that was interesting to me. The chest was like kind of kill me the way it was done. This bataga fee the costumes. I mean it was. It was very much like the crown that way just like top top tier but like. I don't give a shit about chest so that was tough. I'm not gonna lie. No and i didn't either. And i don't play chess and make you want to play chess kind of delaying. Yes it is chess boards and chess games. Sales have spiked. Isn't that crazy. This one interesting thing about that. That i read after the fact. Was that the original of that show from the work from which it was adapted the star the female lead. That's very ugly. you posted. I think he posted that article. And you bet. I read it. That was the new yorker. She was saying that was the hardest part for her was that she shouldn't have been pretty but like could you imagine watching that whole show. She wasn't pretty. I'm sorry this is very professional. But no i couldn't it wouldn't work. I mean they know when the people want. Let's be honest it's now we're not proud to say this it's the truth though and it's the damn truth. Yeah i just thought the show. It's one where. I wasn't sure if i was going to like it. And it kind of hooked me from from the beginning and i was. I was all in really quickly and i actually loved the chest scenes. Yeah look they were well done. I mean it was good it. You know what's weird about. It didn't feel like it was a british show. Even though it was yes. I just wanted to have british accents will. Then you probably would've turned it off because you couldn't understand what he's not flashy and i love my netflix's subtitles. I love it. All right so queen's gambit will be again one of those shows like i may destroy which will be a top three on. What is this this year for. Sure i want to give a quick nod. And i've been saying this podcast casual which you don't remember. You told me to watch it like two years ago. Maybe three years ago at this point started twenty. Fifteen and i finally have like two episodes left. I do not like the fourth season. But i help loved it up until the fourth season and i was actually kind of mad at it now. I don't know if you remember feeling that way. But i feel like yeah this shirk. Oh yes but. I will watch to episodes left so on on the heels of that since you're going to show that was from that started in two thousand fifteen. I wanna just talk really quickly about a show that i that i found earlier this year that i just fell from the jump which not your kind of show but it's called kingdom in its on net flicks it aired on audience. It's a nick. Jonas sledge cast where the entire show is about a family owned gm and mixed martial arts practice. I thought it was absolutely incredible. I just i was three seasons I wanna say the second season might have actually been twenty episodes so probably a forty episodes of that show and there there has been a little bit of of ground swell of people trying to get that show back for a fourth season. But it's it's kind of this off the radar show. It's called kingdom. it's on netflix. It's really really good. And i would love for there to be additional seasons of that show. Well that's kinda reminding me. I didn't put it on the list but i did. Watch head of cobra kai and remember if you and i talked about cobra kai because i watched it with my daughter. Because she's obsessed with it. Well i'm a no g on. The cobra kai series battelle usa try. I subscribe to youtube for the sole purpose of being able to watch that show impressive so then forgot to cancel it for like a year and i was paying nine bucks a month or so it. Here's my heartache. I don't want to spend too much time. A cover guy actually really enjoyed the first season. I thought the second season was a horrendous and greed became like what i loved about. The first season is that was campy with a wink and a nod but also like lovable had good seriously. Things second season was stupid beyond stupid. Yes yes glavin. Threes back in. Yeah i heard. It's these three in january. I think it just cracks me up to hear all these people talking about it now and i'm like you know in the corner hiding face. I watched it on youtube red when that was a thing and i paid for it. And it's funny so okay. I've been dying to talk to you about the flight attendant. Because i can't remember if you watched or an might still be going on. I do. I made it to half of episode four so i went pretty long and i couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't take a wanted elected so up my alley because it reminds me a little bit of search party but yet not even half as good. Here's my one issue. It's not funny. It's a comedy that's not funny. So if you're gonna make you're gonna make a murder mystery as a comedy making funny if you're going to make it serious making serious but it's a comedy that's not funny. It's not good. And i'm like i'm with you. I really wanted to like it. And i keep watching Maybe it'll turn maybe it'll get better. It's getting no. It's getting worse so kudos to you for bowing out. I'm one of those who just get sucked in and stick with this show till the end and yeah and hard ones about out because i hate not also knowing like who done it so good going to have to tell me. Yeah find great. It's not a good show again. It's one that you you look at it and you're like okay. I get it this makes sense. I wanna like this show. I'm going to like this show. I like kaley cuoco. I like the whole premise. She's used but the show stinks. She's really actually you know. I never watched big bang. And i think i like a lifetime movie. Said it really know her like she's actually got chops like she hard role to play well and i actually think she's the best part of it. Rosie perez home ago. Brian rosie perez. What happened her on acting. It's like someone sent her to deprogramming acting school. They're like the you learn about acting throw it out the window. Now you will be the worst after on the planet. Yes she's doing yourself a disservice and that show again bottom line is if you're thinking about starting that show. Don't i listen and this is coming from you. Know a straight woman with hawkeye at the center. That you'd think would keep me watching. Still no still nope nope. Well listen. you're you're about to flip the tables. Because i am really enjoying a teacher and you shook. His head violently. Listen a teacher. You should have stuck with it. It's absolutely to watching. it stopped. tell you i don't quit. God i honestly thought you did. I thought you game about the first episode. No i try not to quit on things. Sometimes i do. But i try. Are you caught up. i think i'm one behind. It's a lifetime move. No no okay. listen. I'm a we're going to beat on this minute. It started off as one. I'll give it to you. I was full on. Maybe even like the first few episodes of what is this ship but of course i love it. I love but i'm like why didn't get why was on fx lush hulu because unlike baidu premium this lifetime movie. But i have to say and you can deny it all you want but i am say as it progressed. It got way more nuanced. I started understand why it was on fx hulu. The story became much more complicated. And i think it's still continues to be very complicated at a very interesting to me. I think it's really good. I totally turned myself around on this one. I think it's really it's i'm really enjoying. It's hard to enjoy because she's so unlikeable he's amazing. The kid and old was twenty six. Oh wow okay see. The movie love simon. He was lead he was the sign. He's just a so. He's such a good actor. He saw durable. She is like good. I think but. I can't figure out if anyone could have done that role. Maybe but i think she plays it. Well i think maybe maybe in this last episode it. It kind of continues. Its turn because i see what you're saying based on what i've watched and i think i've watched the first seven so i do when you. Yeah when you put it that way i can. I can see it and think about it that way but yeah for the first four or five. It's just read like a lifetime movie an after school. Special like what is and and people are just ranting and raving about it. I had someone asks me. He don't walk really. I've only horrible and i'm popular opinion. I like it. I'll connect you with my friends. Who loves it atmospheric my cousins. We it my habit has been. I started. I think like it. Drops at midnight on monday but it drops at nine o'clock la time. So i watch it right as my sleeping pills speaking in. So i get halfway to back up in the morning and other because i had no idea what i'm on a monday tuesday morning tradition for me and i agree i sorta so you must utopia which was recommended to me and then when i saw the description i was like. Oh hell no but it's definitely not your kind of show. It's it's a little kind of fantasy. Ask the the bad news is that it wasn't picked up for a second season so that's gone so by by utopia Yeah i enjoyed it. But it's it's dead now dash and lilly. I've heard good things about. I started watching it. And i wanted to watch with my daughter. She's like should yeah and it looked it was cute. I enjoyed the first ten or fifteen minutes. But i wanna watch with her. I feel like it's not really for us. It's more for teenagers right. I don't sure what you just said. I found it to just be. It's an adorable delightful christmasy show right. I'm down for christmas show. Don't get ron look. I'll be happy for a minute. It's just you know. I liked it. It's cute in. It's fun and it's new york in the holiday season and it's light it's easy and it's they're much much much worse things you could be doing with your time than watching dashing lilly net flicks okay. Fair sounds like a good holiday binge. What about woke. I've never heard of it. I'm going to be on of course. Not it's it's with network. it's no it's on hulu. it's it's with the guy from the black guy from new girl. Oh yeah. I had lunch with no more than once years ago. Such a nice guy. I like him a lot. I think he's funny. He's a good actor he's a good interview and it's i won't say much about it other than it's an easy watch thirty minutes. He's in artist and it's just a story about him. I believe it's based on a true story though. Don't believe me it's a kind on assuming. Yeah it's it's a easy easy show if you again. It's been heavy year. You want some light fair holiday. Isn't the ash show. Moonbase eight is a light show. It's a silly show. It's john c reilly it's Their training to be astronauts. And it's funny and silly and again easy. what's it on. It is on showtime so you can find it on demand speaking of showtime. Let's transition to docu series. So i talked mostly about these on my pod. Obviously 'cause it's reality reality and i really enjoyed love fried on showtime. Did you end up watching it. I did. I thought it was great. It was really well done right. Yeah like had that dirtyjohn five hundred eight but like the real dirtyjohn not bravo dirtyjohn. Yeah and i i thought it was. I found it to be pretty riveting to be honest with you. I i knew that was right in the center of your wheelhouse. Oh i mean hello a con artist and like women bonnie together to take him down like rights. Where do i sign up. You couldn't find it literally watching it unravel in real time. I in i mean yeah the one thing i say some of the and i think we talked about this but some of the ways that they transitioned from scenes in that where they had those weird graphics. I found to be a we did talk about. Yeah yeah it was a little on this really cool graphics. Just didn't need them exactly so nitpicky. I feel like season. Three of selling sunset dropped yet dropped after our last podcast. It's dirty dirty dirty dirty guilty pleasure for us. It's not good. But it's so good exactly. And i'm gonna watch it every time it comes out the first couple of days that it drops and that's that and i move on. Did you see this. Chrishell has found love again. No with whom. I love it. I'm telling you this love on our cast with the black dancer from dancing dancing. But i was gonna say dancing by the stars dancing with the stars. I don't you would know the for them. They're very happy they're all over social media about it recently. I don't follow her. she's never looked better. And you know they're thirsty but they're they're very cute. I'm rooting for her. Listen she got done dirty. I justin hartley so. I am rooting for her. Well and the other one who's dating erica. Mussa thirstiest of the thursday. But it's so creepy. I was looking at something the other day. And i kid you not my reaction to looking at a photo of the two of them was wait. He got back together with his ex her. And i like in your e. Dead raiders. Eerie. it's eerie. Yeah i think she has a better person like early a personality. That could be what distinguishes them right. That's nice that's nice. I don't automobiles me. Okay i'm going to get into the balance dues because i've talked about that on my podcast and you're not into colts and that's fine. You don't need the circus elissa and you know i'll bring it up every time and you'll continue to never watch it so that's fine. Did another fantastic season. They're coming back in january wilderness. I actually think he would like it's pretty well what that is so. It's a series on hulu effects on blue. It's it's based on jeffrey macdonald case. Which is the case. I've been obsessed with for over twenty years. It's the fatal vision. Guy the guy from the green beret in the late seventy s who killed his whole family at the army base. The like and then. Joe mcguiness wrote a book about it And they don't wanna spoil it but hard cast if you if it's easier for you to listen to podcasts. I don't know what your days are like now but sometimes it's easier for me. 'cause i and when i clean the kitchen and laundry. I listen to podcasts. Based right you can't well. You probably can have to in any way. Come on and morally indefensible. The podcast and now marks merlin. Who is true crime journalist. Who did the jinx he did. The morally indefensible podcast. And then he an remarks did the hulu show together Pretty well done. that's pretty well done above. Yeah adding well. There's very love at the beginning. Either it did grow me. And i'm glad i stuck with it. Yes did you ever watch my next. You're not missing anything. I'm just wondering have not haven't gotten into this season yet. It sits there and stares at the next week okay. That's fine you don't need to. It's really not interesting murderer middle beach. We have to talk about. I am this is. This is a my top five of the whole year. This is you know how i went crazy talking about begun on the dr. Did you actually watch it. Based on our last. Podcast i did. Yeah wasn't an right. Yeah it was fantastic so that was probably in my opinion one of the best true crime docu series. I've ever seen myrtle. Beach is a close second because it was so different and just for people. Who don't know. i think i've spoken about before. But it's told from the point of view of the son of the mother. His mom is murdered and he's trying to find the killer and it's like basically maybe be in his own family so it's a very first person investigate you know it's a first person investigation. That has some crazy twists in terms. Like what did you think of it. I loved it. I loved it for that exact reason that he comes from a different. Pov and that. It's this this now. Young man trying to figure out what happened to his mom and the struggle that he has with his father who is in what is a suspect and just the relationship and or lack thereof with his father. I found to be just really fascinating. I thought the whole story with his sister was interesting. What is the sister. I think she's she's got I think she should be medicated. If she's not let's say that well somebody said somebody. Who's a smart. you now knows. Said he thinks she has major. Ptsd because he asks rouser is yeah. I guys she's the killer. And then i was like no. She's just really fucked up totally. Yeah i mean she left the country. She's spanish accent. Yeah i mean the whole thing was fascinating about the gifting table episode. Did i text. you need to have sat. i'm putting it into the universe. Whoever's saying i've already told somebody who could actually get it done there needs to be a scripted series about the gifting tables scheme starring and produced by elizabeth. Thanks you're welcome. Ah did you know about any of that before that show. That's why needs to be done. It's fascinating fascinating. It's like desperate. It's like a. It's like a season of desperate housewives for for those not have who have no clue what we're talking about. It's basically this pyramid scheme where these women were having tony. Connecticut like rich women not right not poor struggling to get by women. It costs five thousand dollars cash to buy in. And then you bring people into the gifting table and then once it's full then if it's your table you get forty thousand cash and like when i don't totally get still is how it works way like hors d'oeuvres zen desert like that all just bullshit to get to the money really. It's a. it's a pyramid scheme. I bring you in you have to bring to people in the neighboring people in once the tables full i get all the money right right and then you can run it back and do it again. That's not so fun. Money burn ivy. so we to. It sounds so fun until you end up. Going to prison spoiler alert thing the fact that this kid has many suspects just as immediate family like it could be like literally one of five people just for starters that are related to him or and how about your circle about about the one woman who refused to show her face and that woman who she yeah. I had a lot of questions on that on that murder which i believe remains unsolved correct. Yeah spoiler alert again spoiler alert if you haven't seen it but it to me it's a thousand percent the dad. Oh i agree okay. Like i'm not saying like conway's not out of her gourd raising was insane. But i don't think she color. Oh by the way. They're all alcoholics to write their sierra addiction on all sides. I mean there's a lot like it's kind of the kind of it. I recommend it because if you feel bad about your family why it is this like if you think you're in any way dysfunctional wives this you'll feel so much better you'll tell someone and there's a lot to unpack when you're done and but it's worth it. It's drew just really well done honestly. I could've used another episode or two. I think there's gonna be at least a few bonus episodes if not a full season. Because i read an interview with him. Maybe you posted. There's more like now that he opened up right hand worms with all the the the financial stuff i mean whether there's fire like when you're pathological liars fief it's not you know who's controlling who's up to their ears in two hundred million of child support like come up. It's not a stretch in. There's just there's so many layers to this this show in this case it's it's just it's really interesting again. I think it was that last episode was ninety minutes and i was like no they could have given us three more like say it was great. It was great so yes you should watch murder middle beach on. Hbo and hbo mass. Yes did you say you watch the comedy store on showtime. I watched some of it. I mean i love the comedy store. Yeah say a mass. Like i watched every episode. Because it's one of those like it's like new york pizza even though it was bad. It's good because you know even when it's bad it's good because you're just hearing from legends and old stories so it's it's hard to not like that if you're into you're into comedy roots having said that it was such a mass. He needed a good producer on that like the end. You could tell they try. But the anna like yeah. Let's organize it this way and like it didn't even work like they didn't stick to how they were trying to organize it so it was really hard to watch as a producer but having said that like he got everybody to participate. There's so many good stories. But what a mess. Yeah agreed i if it was that show could have been done so much better. Yeah it really would have been great and is someone who really loves going to the comedy store and it's one of the things. I actually miss a lot. Just enlight- this year even thinking. Yeah sam and I i had a lot more hope for this show and i. I didn't even watch every episode. That's how bad. I thought it was and you never quit but by the way how have been good. I feel like there's a world where it could have almost been like my next gas and you could just had like forty minute episodes with each person. 'cause you had jim carey geno david letterman chapelle. Chapelle on it now but like you had everybody every jim carey like i was just wanted to listen to them. Just talk like you know. Yeah i would have been cool without like i. Don't try to piece it all together because it didn't work by the way side note and this is show that's not on our list but it's one that i have gone to a few times when i'm really when i really can't find anything in and the reason i bring it up because i believe that this show started as something that was taking place in the basement of the comedy store and that is hot ones which is on hulu. Now it's it. have you ever seen it. I've heard of it so it's an interview show where they've they bring in really good guests. I mean just top top notch. Guess michael jordan. Billy bush justin timberlake and they they eat chicken we wait. We talked about this. 'cause my husband's obsessed with this. We did yeah he it on the internet. Not on who yet. We talked about this last time. This is a guy show brian. One hundred percent could care less about this. I just think there's interesting guests on the you might lay. That's ryan says. That show started in the basement of the comedy store. Oh staying and i will say in juxtaposition to the comedy store not being well put together. The reagans which you didn't watch was so well done. It's really really good and i. I don't know if you had the director on who kind of events the story even more and kind of gave me some behind the scene stuff. I really do recommend that. I've recommended it to a few people. I think you'd be very interested in it because it's pretty scathing. I mean this is not a puff piece. This is like you know in a score of reagan and really to bunks the myth of like. Oh is the greatest president he wrote a republicans like actually he was just like trump wrapped in in a nicer bow. It's not a psychopath. He's he's just he's basically a nice person but he was an empty vessel and had no ideology really. How many episodes was. It's just for easy breezy. And it's organized. It's interesting like this is so hard to do shows like this and they did it so well. It's organized chronologically. But also thematically which is not easy to do and somehow it it still worked so i highly recommend it. I also recommend room twenty. Eighty six the accusation which is another four episode. You will like this very well. Done about dominique strauss kahn. Who was the president of the imf. He was accused of assaulting sexually assaulting a maid at the sophie telling new york when he was like at the height of his powers poised to run for president of france and then sort of like toggles back and forth between his history. And the case. It's excellent really gripping. I'm not saying it couldn't have been done in three episodes. I think it could have. But i recommend it's good. You'll like that one. You lost a life passive. how by the way. that's right. Up brand samuel azali. It's a cute little docu series. Docu i think it wanted to be that. It doesn't quite listen. I don't even like crazy rich regions that much. But i'm down for that like as a reality show. It's very glossy like it. Looks great. the it's what what's interesting about. Is the family dynamics. So you know the fa- the parents are self made immigrants. The father's like zillionaire and his kids basically grew up with a silver spoon. And what's interesting is sort of. Like how they balance the wealth and the generational stuff with You know the cultural like the kids grow up here. They're born and grew up here and they wanted to be like americans and then the parents still have their traditions and they don't want to disappoint the parents so it's interesting. I think he would like it. It's a very easy binge. Hbo max right hbo masks. Tell me about sixty nine the saga of danny hernandez who is danny or does i should know him right. No you shouldn't. He's takashi six nine we you owe the guy the guy who got detained like who had the face. Tattoos data restaurants o'hare. That's who danny hernandez yes. It's such an interest. It's a doc it on its on hulu. It's like an hour twenty minutes left. Julio but takashi. Six nine became this. You know this this rapper whose dropping number one singles. But it's his whole story and how he developed this really. What it amounts to character is what he is. He's a character. He's a kid who craved attention and the spotlight and wanted to shock everybody along the way in started to do so at a young age and it was received by a community that him and he became a very decorated rapper from in terms of number one hits and then there's the whole legal side of him doing things that have his life in danger. I'll watch that. I'm all over that. Yeah interesting different And he's he's just an interesting an interesting guy much much more so than. I would have ever thought prior to watching that okay. I'm in. I'm definitely will watch that. So let's go over to so one off documentaries. There's been a few good ones the documentary i talked about this week. Absolutely loved you you you gotta watch. You'll love you'll bal your is at the end I mean if you're a kid of a generation which were close in age is just. You will just get chills the whole time be singing along. Its listen i mean their stories interesting. I'm not gonna say that much about because you haven't seen it but it's almost like they were like parallel to the beatles but never quite got like kinda didn't like the beatles when all the way ahead but then was fever everything stars aligned. Basically so i won't say anymore but it's really really good so off. Yeah it's just it's on. Hbo really really america. murder was about. We both watched that on netflix. That was chilling. That's about this guy. Chris watts who murdered his wife and children. And i was surprised. You even watched it because that's not normally your bag. Well obviously when you put it on this list. And i was like. I don't know what that is and like no you watched it and we talked about it. God you're right. i loved it. I thought it was fascinating. You thought you had no idea as i you know i watch a lot of stuff we need to track and i thought this was incredible and i. This is one where i don't even wanna spoil it. Yeah you have not watched american murder please do. It's incredible i agree. I mean and again. I'm not going to spoil it but it's the way that it's told. I knew the story very well. You know you didn't know it as well but you know that true crime stuff. So i knew it very very well i. I watched the lifetime movie on it. I was pretty deep but the way that it was done was so brilliant because it there were no interviews. It was done all through social media posts and surveillance like cop. Video news interviews. It was so well done brilliant. Yeah it really was not. And i'm just thinking back to certain moments in that in the show and it's yeah don't read anything if you know nothing about it stay that way. Just go in watch it blind. It's terrific now. I think. I watched this dock on your recommendation called longshot. I don't know it must have been your iraq. 'cause it was on my list okay. Is this the one with larry. David yes against the so. Was that my mom. Just mentioned it to me. She says oh. You should watch this documentary. Yeah yeah no. I watched it. I feel like it was like two years ago it was twenty eighteen. It was all right. Yeah so the fact that you even remember at is amazing because it was a long time and tv time. That was a long time ago and again just as a refresher where he was at. The dodgers game. Yeah so i won't spoil it but it's basically a true crime documentary short. It's like forty five minutes. Yeah and it's why won't yeah. There's larry david it really. What else do you need to know. Watch it for david. It's a great story and it has a happy ending spoiler alert. It's great easy. Forty five on netflix. I'm surprised you didn't watch baluchi that field. I feel like that's up your alley especially chicago of it. All i have it saved on my dvr. Honestly i am waiting until the holidays. And then i'm gonna watch it with family. That's that's my plan. It sitting at the bottom of my my list of recorded shows on my dvr right now all right. Text me after you watch it. Of course i will the last dance. I know you wanna give a special shout donna. Okay we've done. We've done that. It's gotten it's justice alright. So let's i need to give a nod to a few of our tried and true reality shows shark tank. I'm sorry. I continue to love it do wrong. I house this. I still watch it on friday nights. Same night airs. Same or saturday morning. I want that one that one never sits on my dvr fame. It's just it's like candy. I can't wait to watch it. yes it delivers. I'm not ashamed to say that. I may or may not have purchased a handful of products that i've seen on that show so there on that show. I just ordered the chirp. The roller thing for your bag and last year i ordered the thing that you cut your presence with. That's like it's so simple but it it's so you don't have to use a scissor. It just slices it really easily. It's fantastic. I have to say but very satisfied with both my purchases. And they're just kudos to the savvy product inventors out. There you know. They're they're filling needs that we all have and one hundred percent the entrepreneurial spirit like so for people who don't know i think you know this they filmed this all in covert in vegas and they. You know quarantined everybody. I mean it was pretty cool all the way they did it. What do you know about it. i mean it. It reads the same as if they were shooting at anywhere. You would never know that it was done in cova other than they don't hug but then they did this past week where you wondering what was up with that. Yeah i don't know but it was like so many handshakes so many hugs like what is happening from an earlier season. Like earning this off. It could have been was i actually. I've actually talked to people who were on the show but it never aired you know. I wonder if it was like a christmas. Themed one if they already had that in the can from last year like maybe was spillover from the ones that make it to the last christmas episode. Yes but i did notice that. And i was like well. They should not be doing that. Yeah it didn't. It fell like every other episode has been by from afar me. That's a show that the format is perfect. Don't change anything. It's never going to get old and just keep cranking them out. Police could not agree more. Unless i know you're not a house is guy but salt. Lake city is our new addition to the franchise. It's working very nicely at potomac emmy. Were they at this point. It's top of the heap and is not. Let's just leave it at that so before we go. Let's just give people a few shows that they need to mess. Well i was so disappointed in this season of fargo with chris rock yes dang i love fargo. I thought the first several seasons were each fantastic in their own way. And this season i found to be so painful that i couldn't get through the episodes and so this was one where i did quit mid way through and just bailed on the whole thing. I just thought it was absolutely ouch. Yeah we both agreed. Dab million dollar beach house was horrific horrific it was. It was rude rude. Like i'm sorry. Don't wrap this up in a pretty boat because it was pretty me. This is a good show because it's not it's horrible and it was just. It almost felt like hey selling sunsets doing going into three seasons. Let's just put some bullshit together for new york and call it something else in. Just put that out will watch and you know what go a step further. And i hope that no one. That listens is like an executive on the show our producer but like it almost felt like It was an acquisition like it wasn't even. I mean the producing quality was good. It looked pretty well done but it was. It was the story was so the characters in the story were so bad. I'm like what. And by the way i'm here for the hamptons. Are you kidding me. I mean okay. Well if you're here for the hamptons been. Would you just talk about summer house because it's coming off. Did you see this trailer. Of course i saw the trailer i. My mouth literally went to the ground that will be the single greatest season not just of summer. Half that have television i. It's rare because i know how bravo messes with us from all. The house is trailers where they're complaining things that don't happen. It's rare that i'm like jaw. Dropped on a trailer. That's summer house trailer. I like i had to sit down. That show is really good. And i don't know why it's good though. I cannot explain to you why it's good but it is. It's nothing happens. I can't tell you a single point except for hooking up by lindsay and i'm sorry lindsay and luke. Are you kidding me. I mean that's a role to yes. I think i heard she comes fluke. But she doesn't end with luke may have. I may or may not have looked her up on instagram. She's very friendly. We're not saying you did. It could say if you wanna guilty pleasures show with debauchery and just shenanigans. And you know. I can't think of a better show. I agree and i'm limited on what i watch on bravo in that specific category of show right so some house is my number one vanderpump which i don't know how they're gonna feel the team this year with all the people that have quit or been fired. Yeah i don't either i. I really don't know how that show is going to continue now. That jackson is gone on top of all the other people. I heard a rumor today and it could have been a joke but it totally tracks and the fact that i don't know if it's true says everything that he britney are filming a show of the two of them for newsmax slash album called no that make total sense. If it's true. I mean she's from kentucky right remember. They had that like homophobic minister married herbs. I mean rights baskin. Do it makes complete sense. So yes okay. Great so that show. I don't know how they're gonna feel the team. And then i still watch southern charm which is not nearly as good as summer house. I heard it's not good this season either wall. The same type of thing that happened with vanderpump happened with southern charm. They cleaned hammer. They lost half the cast right like rapists or racists older racists right one hundred ravanelli race a rapist a rapist not a racist rapist. All of them but the big bridge in charleston is the ravin albridge shit. Yeah he's crazy he's royalty summer house. I'm glad we've got. I love that. show cannot. It's coming back in february. That's around the corner. Oh yeah give it to us. Now give it to us. How great would it be to watch that over the break. Are you kidding me. yeah instead. I'll be watching whatever you just recommend it to you our listeners. Right i mean it's it's it's impaled pales in comparison now the challenge. You're still watching mtv and you're not alone. A lot of people are still watching it. It's so good. And because i watched some of these other shows like survivor and big brother. Yeah where they've said. The challenge used to be the road rules. Real world challenge right where it was people who were on those shows competing well since they don't do either road rules or the real world anymore. They have to pull their talent from somewhere. So they've not only pulled from other shows like big brother and survivor but they've pulled from shows in the uk and they've really put together this incredible group of people who are talented. Who are just competitive is could be Doing things that i couldn't do if my life depended on not now twenty. Five years ago i call and it's just cutthroat and drama filled and there's some. Og we call it. The fifth is rob from boston from the challenges that he from survivor. Boston rob is from surpassed round because apparently he's like one of the top cameo guys but of course. I had no idea who he was. Oh saw this week that the guy from the office makes on stern from and he starts. They were playing the game. He hasn't he starts them up all the same way. That was hilarious. Hi larry shout to howard. Stern continues to give us great content and resigned for five years. God bless yes. You know the best piece of content that i consume this entire year was not the last dance on netflix. But rather the three hour interview. That howard stern did with better it was. I don't have you listened to the whole thing. I don't i i. I'm not sure. I listened to the whole thing but i did listen to a lot of it. He's amazing. I love him i again. I may or may not have listened to that three hour interview more than once right It was to me and you know me well. The most riveting piece of content that was made available during twenty twenty. I that he's done some great interviews this year. And that's definitely at the top. Yeah the problem is you must be sirius. Xm subscriber otherwise. You do not have access to that full interview. Oh interesting so some are available and some aren't that how put they put pieces of it out but not at the full three hours so you can get little bits here and there but you don't get the full three hour and three hours as you know is incredibly long for a howard interview stanley long. Our is his sweet spot for these big. Our could've gone longer. They took a bathroom break during that interview. That's awesome our last. But not least. I want to end. I mean i don't wanna be debbie downer on the ending here but i feel like it's a public service announcement you and i are both on the same page with this fee annoying trend and it's not unique to twenty twenty. It's it's really been going on way too long. And it needs to end. And i implore if anyone's actually listening all the way to the end of this and you're in our business. Brian and i have a request. And it's really not that difficult. Do not announce projects that have not been sold. You can expand on what this means to the layperson. So oftentimes people will will try to drop something into the trades about a project that is nothing more than an idea on paper. Or it's a partnership that a conversation that's happened in a room without any type of show that has been sold to anyone and if if you knew how many of those types of projects currently exist in the greater los angeles area your head would explode. Those projects exist by a multiple of a thousand. And for whatever reason these holier than thou trades in this town like to announce shows that are nothing other than an idea until someone is committed to buying the show or you have otherwise found distribution for it it is nothing nothing and i think this is a particular reason. Why triggers me even more is. I have three series that are coming out in two thousand twenty one. They have a buyer they are being produced. They are almost done being produced. I'm not allowed to announce them and i. There are happening. their real. They're going to be out like. And i can't tell you what they are. Who therefore but yet you can tell me about your stupid partnership with no buyer not okay not okay. Hey so and so bought the rights to this tv show. That's that's half my vision board story like all of the things i'm trying to do haven't sold should. I announce them all. Evidently you should because yeah you might as well. I want to know you know we should do a study on. How many of those announcements actually turn into shows because the thinking. Is you know what the thinking is. Thinking is well. I'm sure the buyer netflix apple will see this and then contact us because they'll be so amazed that it's actually even happening we won't you couldn't go pitch them anyway. It's not like they're going to reach out to you. They saw trays. They're gonna think you're a douche bag for doing that. Yeah i i really don't get it. Do you have if you have an intern. Maybe that person could do some of that. Research for yes. You're looking at him crawling florence my dog and he's getting hungry. This is so great. I i love doing these recaps with you. it makes me happy to know that someone else loves. Tv as much as me. And we'll we'll we'll check in again around april. I look forward to it. Happy binge-watching over the holidays. And i'm sure we'll we'll chat at some point tomorrow. Yes and everybody have a happy holiday season. And we'll see you soon.