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Casey Wilson & Dolores Catania

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

23:15 min | 1 year ago

Casey Wilson & Dolores Catania

"Welcome to the Bravo clubhouse for the podcast edition of Watch. What happens live with me? Andy Cohen all right. Her knowledge is best in Class. And Marge calls her a piece of. Ass. It's watch what happens. I with Casey Wilson deloris Catan. Ya Now two Colon Bravo clubhouse a jersey. Reunion is getting ready to form a beautiful union between my guests. Shot Ski when my first guest isn't starring a show about Wall Street. She's investing Oliver Emotional resources in Bravo from black Monday which is having it season. Two Premiere this Sunday at ten on showtime. It's Casey will so glad you're here. My next guest may be old school. But she's working on a new friendship with Jackie from Jersey. Say Hi to Dolores Catania. You've met many sludge. You obviously watch all. Where's Dolores Fall? The Canon for you very high at the most beautiful housewifery hair back Matt is helping. Us loosen up our buttons. Our bartenders are the final four designers on this season of project runway. Don't miss this finale tomorrow at nine. It Sergio Jeffrey Victoria. Who Do you think is the toughest Judge Brandon for me you for Brandon for me Nina for sure tonight? I'm prior to the Jersey Reunion. A blast from outsized pass was brought up as talk turn to caroline. Manzo need your thoughts on this Dolo. Watch this talk to us about the super bowl commercial. You shot with Carolina Right. And here's a great opportunity. So did she then reach out to you before the my lawyer gems when we got on the phone three away please when we see each other we are going to sit down and talk. I see I think you're a person after filming with Carolina. You still believe that. She's the rap and put you in jail. She said you knock contributed. Thank you say yes by any chance of caroline. Starting a friendship. I just realized I think I'm wearing the same suit and shirt as I was on that eighty. Dolores were you in the middle of that. Did you have caroline calling you in Theresa calling you? When when they were both shooting that spot I did I did and I you know I. I knew they would be amicable their professional yup. I don't believe that she had anything to do. With Theresa Getting in trouble and I will double down on that. That's the new word. Everyone says double down now what that means no. I don't believe that I said it at the reunion. And they're better just a separate and I was the rat and I'm now it's all right about now. We know. Now we know okay. Dolores Franken serious accident. It was so bad Brian both his legs. He stepped off of one step. He missed a step on one of our construction sites and his knees wound up in his shins. He's not going to be able to walk for four months. He's in a hospital bed. He's going to be so thin. That's going to be a ready. He's already thin so I've been wondering David Whom you have no idea they live together. David wakes up in the middle of the night at two thirty to give him his medicine. I lived there. They love. Don't live there I don't live there. What are you talking about? I don't listen to Him David's house he's Oh David gave him a shower. I got a call from David the other day. Jewish yeah you might say I got a call from David. Saying him and frank had a nice midnight. Talk about life and frank said his weaknesses and strengths. And I told Frank about mine. I'm like never once that I have this conversation with you. This is incredible. I wish he was here to talk to US tonight. But I WANNA get into some of you guys revealed on the reunion. Frank has a thirty year old girlfriend. That weird for you. That he's dating someone not much older than Frankie out. Gabby Gabby twenty four right for me. Okay even though frank as a new lady in his life he still has a lot of opinions about you and he may have slipped up about one thing. Watch this frank. No one believes you. Dolores aren't sleeping the other. If she won't tell the truth maybe you well. I'M GONNA stick by whatever. Have you ever had a slip up? Not so that's interesting. I feel like frank was hinting at something. There are always spoke to me like that. I'll get a random text in the day of the most beautiful woman. Thank you for everything. Beautiful texts I. You know. Just nice things. Franks is found himself later in life and you know they. They find your thoughts on Daniel arriving to the reunion with her dog. Fendi a Stroller as extras. You need powerful and I appreciate it and I'm glad that I'm sitting next to you. Because that's a major concern of her. Yes it is yes. You'll have to watch out now. He's not GonNa be mad at me. You ask handled it. Well thank you your questions for Casey and Dolores are coming in before we get to those. Here's what three things of Szeswith Tonight? I tonight on the Jersey. Reunion Theresa gave an update on Joe and her current issues with men. And here's what she thinks. That the solution to our issues may be a mench watch. What are your kids thinking about? The way that he speaks to the only time he treated me like the way he spoke to me like that was on the show but like behind the scenes like he was good to me now. It was not just treat me back because I would've never stayed in can do a lot better since you've been separated. Have you know what kind of guy would you? I want my next one's being Jewish. I heard Jewish men. Make the best into this. Wow so how do you feel about the Jewish man? Talion talion feel like divorce and I. I love that absolutely right. I'm very excited about the prospect of seeing Theresa dating accent. I like yeah. Do you think she will. Yes second over the last few weeks. Jennifer's made it clear that she is sorry not sorry about sharing strong opinions. Here's what if the ultimate goal is peace between her and all the ladies Jennifer has been making it clear at the reunion that no one is winning watch. I think you're starving. I'm not the one who stares at myself. Twenty four seven. Bytes cover do the same just prior to be me me. What do I stutter? Yes you thirsty. I don't think so. Shut up you don't lie feared God. I've tried very hard to keep talks of people from like being close to me so I do not want a friendship with her. You're no she came in guns fans. Lots Casey. I just feel like wow. She was ready to play by She likes what she does for a living right eight. Okay Wow all right. Finally finally when it comes to housewives. Everyone's entitled to share their point of view. In Fact Hammer. Judge may have said it best during the season nine Orange County where union when she yelled so. I WANNA get your perspective on all the latest problem drama to it's time to play Casey's opinion. Casey was Jennifer versus Margaret. Melissa and Jackie at the reunion. Whose side are you on Margaret. Melissa and Jackie reaction the revelation. That theresa influenced Danielle in polling Margaret's ponytail. Great but I liked seeing her on that rock or just rocking back and forth on the porch. Okay Dodson Joe Jude. Isis treatment of tree in the girls during their Italian family reunion twenty-four hours. He's like Oh these kids. Thank God we never never thought Joe Jude. Isis lack of lack of feeling bad about his crime. I mean it's kind of par for the course. Right your huge Kenya fan dots on her submissive alter ego Ken and was the separation from mark the best solution for their strikes absolutely. I never want to see can again. I love Kenya. Stand strong with our mark. Needs to go and I'm glad he has Dodson. Cynthia Anini is reconciliation cried. The entire time did of course I did. I'm invested in fifty cents and Nina's relationship and go with God. I hope it continues Jackson. Britney's Mary Dodds on them as a couple the whole situation. I personally am over the wedding and Brittany's like I'm I'm I'm off you're done. I'm Dan Thoughts on the new servers. This season do you have a favorite? I can't tell them apart. I can't say is the part where the girls apart Charlie on feeling a little bit but damage stylings all right. Thank you very good for you. A Bravo Hollick hair club. Your husband's in the pool somebody to choose in Saint Mark. What Your Question High Love Love? Love you all and Dolores. You are one hundred percent of catch. Thank you My question is. Do you feel vindicated now. That Theresa and Danielle longer friends. After you've been telling her that she was about input you know. I didn't need to be vindicated. I knew how I felt about it so I do. I feel vindicated. Yes of course. I'm vindicate Right. I knew it was going to happen. Right let's go to Alexa from Buffalo. Hey Alexa what's your question for Casey Wilson? Hey guys handy. Hey Hi Laura Casey Hi using My questions for Casey though And it is. Do you think that Jackson being a dramatic a drama queen when he demoted Sandra Volker From being the best man at his wedding and then the want him to stand next to him at the wedding. Yes I do. I think he's like a groom zillah. Just a cruel yes. Everything's about his wedding. I love the end of always like I. He's engaged versus dad died then. He's engaged next year to baby like you can never talk to him and not that. It's not sad that is of course Next week on Jersey. Reunion Theresa discusses the possibility of divorce and she ends up being put on trial. Here's a sneak peek. Dolores feels like Gioja Diocese. Go after I've been talking to her and pushing hurts I keep. I'm an owner and push out whatever. Come after. He's going to get angry. Did this conversation motivate you at all to speed up? Whatever divorce proceedings? You're yeah I mean. We're working on them. So you're working on. Send them a paper. Sign reasonably seem keys procrastinator. She's because we want to touch his can prolong the inevitable. You might as well start what somebody else do. The dirty work for you and disadvantages. But I can't the headline for me one of the headlines from this reunion for me. Is Everybody's opinions about Joe Dyson? The marriage and everything. I feel like now that he's deported. An out and this is all behind them. People are really speaking well. It's because she's come out with how she really feels about things so before that you couldn't speak to her nor did you want to write. Someone still loves her husband and wants to believe whatever they want to believe. You keep your real friends will shut their mouth. You're a really good friend to her. All right let's go to jody from Denver. Hey Jodie what's your question. Hi Andy my questions for Dolores Dolores. If David had an ex wife that was living with him and hanging out with him all the time would you be okay with that was nice to me? Yes I would. All right she gives you a soak bath. Yes listen this is that is lackluster. Wow Okay let's go to Mackenzie from Baton Rouge. Hey Mackenzie what's your question. Hey anti allowing KC Kasem so excited so excited that question out of all of the broader Leopardi's and housewives. You Always About Shush. What's the most he's ever had with them in person awkward? Yeah most awkward interaction with the housewife. Honestly I've had good interactions. I just met Nina for the first time and I thought we walked away. Great friends after our one minute meeting. Okay I had a bad one. Tamra Judge Barney judge sent me a ton of vary nasty. Dm's ones okay. But then after she could be on the podcast show. Yeah Yeah exactly. Wow gymnasts wants. Which House do you wish you could have played on? Snl My God. Oh I only Morgan. So yeah what you guys that. The live shows for her podcast bitch. Sash Casey elevates the art of the by staging dramatic reenactments of how I've seen so I want to honor her with something. She'll cherish more than Tony. Having Delors Catania Ya'll interface. It's time to visit the clubhouse playhouse. See we'll play Danielle style. Dolores will be. Dolores you two will be recreating a scene from the New Jersey season. Eight episode four. Casey you never spoken about Teresa. There was something you did say to me about. Why you said to me about Teresa Tree citizen care about anything or anyone or anything the money you mother lying? I never said that you do more. It's the truth you're crazy. Scumbag gone how. Okay no deloris. I am not welcome back scumbag. Things don't change no ulterior motive. I have nothing to gain fryer crazy personality quiz theresa. She's starving hungry bitch sleep with one eye open because she's up to no good Charlie. James wants to know which pro liberties wedding would you kill the be at Cynthia? Stasi la La or Kelly. Dodd I think la La I think rand is a star okay. Dolores Andy J. Email the other set frankie junior up with another housewife child. Besides Jia who would it be hard? I don't know them that well. The family better allow Elizabeth said Dolores Theresa ever apologized to you when she was flinging solo cups around and getting drinks all over you. You know what no because. It wasn't intentional and Cheat. I've got stuff thrown on me before and it's not at hazards of the job Alison Texted Casey. Which friend of would you love to see become a full time housewife? Marlow Marlow yes. I agree very good. Okay it is time for my Mosleh today. Normally I'd do it but Casey is an expert on Bravo and happy ending so casey. What is Your Mazal? My Gosh I think my Masel is it can be anything right yes yes in Nebraska world. Yeah okay I think when Nin Cynthia made up acne kind of. I wish she apologized but I liked that. That friendships back on track impact. Time for me. It was a hard time for you and with a muzzle comes a Jack Hall. What is your who or what is Your Jack Hole of the day. I got Sam not loving this. Jack's Britney Pastor of it all and then just the obsession with their own wedding. Yes you're done. I'm done all and and when like dog doc- and her boyfriend's roommate salaries sandwich near was hard. It was hard. It was rough at their cell adverse sells for sale. Yeah I know it's for cyber in Kentucky apparently around. Yeah Casey delores Sergio. We're back with Casey Wilson. Monday on showtime. You can see Bitch Sash on tour all summer long and behind the bar. It's the final four from project. Runway Victoria and Nancy. The finale airs tomorrow night at nine. I cannot wait to see it. Let's go to Julie from Florida. Julie. What's your question. Hi Dolores. I love project runway also. Hey Bartenders I'm here with my best friend Paula. And we were wondering why you were so willing to leave the Hamptons with Jennifer. After she was throwing things at Melissa. I wondered that too. It's just the way I am. I didn't feel like any girls should go home alone. It was like a three hour ride and you know I just fell to leave with her because I thought she was right. I thought she was totally wrong. But what's Nice? She's girl go home along and she didn't know left behind just made a mistake. All right. Let's go to betsy from Arizona. Hey Betsy what's your question. Hi Andy Doors. I just have to tell you you look absolutely flawless at the reunion. Thank you so much. My question is for Casey. Who are who are your top three least favourite housewives of all time? Hough okay. Well it's the nature of the beast. Right I got put up I got out. I did not never loved Kelly Bensimon. She really really bothered me. God what House has been is the worst from Shane. And he's a house husband but I gotta say they're Oh God who else. Who else was terrible. I love them all so much. Worse Yovany suggestions. Tamra those nasty and then she wanted to be your friend but she was all right. Okay let's go to you. You don't want your always willing to take a stand and we appreciate it that when I was weaker but yeah camera. Let's go Taylor from Washington Taylor which question Andy. My question is Dolores. I'm delores till you. I love your favorite live. Yeah so my question is how your relationship with Jackie after the reunion? Especially after you said you weren't earlier this either. Well I felt I owed her an apology. I felt that I I didn't get a chance to know her and I lost patience with her too soon. I'm working on things like that but I just think it's great now. You know we text each other once in the while we were fine. We were fine before that. I I don't WanNA fight which I have nothing against her. It was it was nice to see Teresa kind of cool down about Jackie a little. Yeah do you think that's real? Yeah I do. Yeah Yeah Yeah all right. Let's go to Leeann from Connecticut Alien. What's your question last? Call the night high many my questions for Casey. What's your reaction to him departing from the and what are your favorite moments including them on the show. Wow you know we lost. We lost one of our own. You know we lost our own and that honestly I am going to be. I cried when I heard island line. I was on. The beach. Had had two MARGARITAS. My husband was like what is happening. Truly what's happening? I just felt it was end of an era. I found the housewives like right after my mom passed. I've been there from the beginning. It just made me cry even though she's a monster and also and then when. Tamra laughed and I I've had so many laughs Tam over the years as these women are my friends and I I appreciate. It was a bit more with a whimper. It's like let's give Vicki her. Ju like she started this franchise and I want to do and I didn't like to see her as a friend. It felt sad right and my favorite moment with Vicky was young weird visceral CICERO. That was the night of the ball. The cake with eating just the bow was eaten. All right New Jersey housewife gets to that level of like craziness. Somebody's getting hit right. Yes that's how I feel for sure. I WANNA think I'm excited about black Monday. Congratulations and Dolores excited with guys. I everybody wait before you go. Here's a sneak peek. How are you in Carl? You know I've been taking his lead and like I heard some chatter like this girl's coming to the house next weekend. Hide the nights if this girl walks into my house. It's not GONNA go down. Well what is the problem and like turn my heart off and be okay with the fact that you girl outbreak in front of me to the Houthi. He'll be thanks for listening to the PODCAST. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. Remember new episodes go live Monday through Friday at four PM Eastern Time? Make sure your subscribe to have a great rest of your.

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Dolores Huerta - Si Se Puede!

Swing Left - How We Win

52:42 min | 1 year ago

Dolores Huerta - Si Se Puede!

"We've got to outreach to those that are not with us. We've got to educate them. We've got mobilized we've got a motive. That's the only way it can happen so I'm going to ask scholar view. Who's got the power? What kind of power right so we can do it yes. We can't see separately. Let's also you this altogether. Say Welcome to episode thirty seven of how we win all over the country people are staying home stink safe and still doing extraordinary things. We're giving you the tools that you need to make a difference right now right from your living room. The Best Antidote to anxiety is action. We need your help and we'll get through this together. We have a very special episode today as we have the honour of sitting down with legendary Labor leader and civil rights icon Dolores Huerta. We talk about how she organized farm workers in the sixties. How those lessons are applied today in the work that she's continuing to do now at the age of ninety spoiler alert. She's not backing down. Though she is not I'm Steve Pearson and Mariah Craven and this is how we went. Don't wait to be invited. She says step in and on a personal note Dolores was very gracious When I told her I had stolen or slogan Si Se Puede. Yes we cam knowing her. I'm pleased that she let me off easy. Because Dolores does not play poetic you know hearing Dolores where the talk is just such a bomb after the chaos of yet another terrible corona virus Rose Garden press conference this week right. I mean chaos is probably a nice way to put it. You know it was really hateful. Trump continues to show us who he is despite himself. Oh Yeah it had the Mondays Mondays. Presser all of the the trumpian hallmarks of misinformation racism. Sexism pouting the huge. It still didn't hold a candle. I don't think to What he was doing on twitter all weekend he tweeted almost tweeted or re tweeted almost two hundred times and I think someone figured that he was sending on average a tweet. Every lake. Fifteen minutes for the entire weekend dude was fired up. Well you know. I mean mother's days in inspiring time for many of us to get on twitter and and tweet stuff with righteous anger about a crime that he calls Obama Gate when asked to clarify what the crime was. He said it was Obama Gade. Yeah he said he said you know what it is. You all know what the climate says. No no tell you and what he also said in relation to that was it. You'll be seeing more in the coming weeks and and we will be seeing more in the coming weeks from from this. Their their playbook for November is a very very clear right. Now we're seeing it from the tweets about the election and see a twenty five when he's Degrading vote by mail and also denigrating having Polling places open so doesn't like to vote by mail also doesn't like people to be able to vote in person and just putting out blatant lies about that misinformation saying that the election is should be invalidated. These votes should be counted. It was really jarring to hear all that I think what the what the tweets showed us over the weekend. Aside from how deranged trump was is there? Glimpse into the future is that he's GonNa try to meddle in as many elections as possible especially if it seems like Democrats have strong pudding. And he's continuing to use the Department of Justice as a political tool and and bill bars going along with it by you know. Filing the motion to dismiss the charges against Flynn completely unclear why and thousands of former justice department employees have said. Wait a minute wait a minute. Wait a minute. This is not how this is supposed to work at all. But that's not GonNa Stop Them. Bar. Trump's personal fixer masquerading as the People's Attorney General. He manipulated the narrative of the Miller report. He intervened to block congressional oversight You know what we call checks and balances and now dismissed the case against Michael. Flynn this Obama Gate stuff that you were talking about this. We're going to see more of this is Going to be manipulated also by bar hand in hand with the power of the Justice Department to be able to weigh in. It's it's actually really scary and with the added compounding of the Russian interference amplifying. This just like they're already amplifying. These demonstrations infiltrating the demonstrators and these groups. You know it's It's a playbook that the Republicans have used used to last election Last presidential election and It's It's in full effect right now. So Yep so. We gotta stay vigilant Fingers are crossed that the dismissal that the DOJ is recommending for. Flynn doesn't make it all the way through. The courts actually happen speaking of the courts. When has been pretty cool? I don't know have you had a chance to listen in on the Supreme Court arguments. There teleworking right now so you can listen to them online and today. They're hearing arguments about the release of trump's personal tax returns that Congress had subpoenaed and at the administration has been blocking Pretty interesting to listen in. I think this is something that they should continue to do. Even after stay at home orders are lifted. I think the arguments and the questions are really interesting. And it's been kind of nerdy fun to see people. You know making predictions As how I think which way the justices are already people. I can't follow all of it. I'll be honest my casual legal background which comes mostly from watching law and order right. Didn't really quick for listening to these. But it's still interesting stuff. They should start every new case with coca comb or theme just to get people's attention now when sound effect that we did here last week when this was I live streamed was a toilet flushing right right so the questions has anyone cop to that. Do we know which one of the justice I don't even want to know too much detail but yeah as as we all get used to this new method of of interacting with each other. Let's just remember to step away to go to the restroom? Put your phone down before you go in or at least hit. Mute. I'm all for multitasking. Much more efficient. But I don't think people should be leave it in another Supreme Court you know circling back to the press conference is one thing that's been coming up. Repeatedly is the Ahmad Armory case down in Georgia. Which you know. The nation has been watching very closely in the last week only because there is now cell phone footage of what appears to be in a stalking attack and murder That happened in broad daylight on a public street a couple of months ago really horrifying footage and we've seen too many of these fortunately because of the power of social media the power of our activists groups. These guys who were walking around free not prosecuted. All there now been arrested. Justice has more of a chance of being served. We'll see how this all plays out but there was a threat. I don't know if you saw that was going around about all the things that You know white people can do that. Black people can't do basic things like going for jog. You know answering their cell phone Reading a book in the car all the all these things that Young Black Men and women have been shot and killed by police or by so-called vigilantes Doing and It's a powerful reminder but this whole episode and the unfolded very quickly was also powerful reminder of the power that we have as individuals and his activist to shine a light on on these things and actually forced the hand of justice. I mean that's a great point but I also think the other point is you know I. I know what you're talking about like I'm black. Of course I knew all of that stuff you know but what it comes down to is the general public needing to believe black people like I said. This shooting happened a couple of months ago and the only reason the only reason that there is any prosecution in this case is because there wasn't just video of the incident but the video was made public And I grew up in Georgia. I know the feeling of approaching people white people sitting in a pickup truck. I've never had anyone pull a gun on me but there is always a little bit of fear that in certain situations in certain communities that that you and I think that so often the black community as a whole is accused. You hear people talking about playing the race card things have changed and you know all the cliches about Oh we. We had a black president. How bad could things be or whatever but this has been going on for a very long time. It happens so much more regularly than we have video for and the ability of people to shoot a little video on their cell phone has been a huge game changer for us. It doesn't mean that things are happening more or less frequently. It's just that justice might be a little bit more likely to to happen because of it. I mean I always have a hard time talking about this stuff as a white male person of privilege. You mentioned Obama Presidency. I mean the big rap on myself and one of the reasons why I work so hard you know. Since trump has been elected I was one of those You know Super Liberal White Dudes. Who was so thrilled? That Obama was and we had our first black president and was had my blinders on a bit about the state of our country and was looking at the arc of history and the civil rights movement. And where we got to and now we have a black president. And Wow we're really heading towards More quality and you know what I didn't really take in was the full extent of what was still happening as you said not on camera you know not with cell phone footage in the stuff that was still going on and one thing that the trump presidency has really brought to light obviously is these white nationalist who have felt emboldened and have come out. And we've and and for many of us we've been able to see more overtly in ways that people of color have seen their whole lives. You know what still exists? You know beyond having our first African American president and it's it's stark in jarring and it shows how much work we have to do. And how vigilant we have to be when you have an administration and Republicans who are so willing to Push that cast that aside because they want to quote unquote make America great again and go back to a different time It makes our work so much more urgent. I absolutely agree with that but the only thing that I will say. Is You know since. We're talking about Georgia. I'll just add it acing. Something like eighty percent of people in Georgia who've been hospitalized with corona virus or black that's a vastly disproportionate part of the population. This is not only a in the last three and a half years. Things have gotten worse. This is a systemic issue And violence against black people is a systemic issue and these things. The disparities in healthcare and environment in violence have been going on for generations. And so yes. It's urgent that we take action because now we see that there are quite literally deadly consequences for all of these disparities but we need to take action in part because we are all to blame for this. This systemic problem. Yeah coronavirus is a perfect example of how people of color are disproportionately affected by my anything that The comes at us. And you know with our interview with Dolores Huerta. She talks a lot about that. And I mean when we talk about numbers of crony of virus cases and fatalities and everything are we including the asylum seekers and immigrants who are in cages on the border still today in those families and people who are not being allowed access and are in Mexico. I mean you know I don't know what those numbers are. But these are people who are undoubtably Getting sick and are being disproportionately affected by this. And don't have any resources to deal with it. We have a we have a lot of people. that we need to make sure don't get left behind in this pandemic and even further left behind in the pinned and the recovery that Shirley must come after it. Oh y'all I work to here. We do. I'm glad we had that discussion to it's it's you know discussions on racer so hard for fragile little white people like myself but it's You know I'm glad that you share that. It's a difficult conversation for you make. It is for a lot of people and And that's that's one of the first things we need to do is go ahead and have difficult conversations with each other you know and half. We have common goals. We want the same things we ought to be able to talk honestly with each other About so we can work together. You know effectively. So we'll keep having the conversation and encourage other people out there listening to you. Know be part of these challenging conversations to in the meantime website. Giving you hope this week Steve. Are you WanNa talk about murder? Hornets Murder Hornets in this show. Murder Hornets next murder Hornets. Yes yes murderer Hornets are. What's next well much worse could it? I guess what's giving what's giving me hope right now is You know we talked a little bit about the playbook for Republicans to win that includes trump trying to de-legitimize elections calling everything rigged and bar helping with the Justice Department the power that it wields to support conspiracy theories against Obama and Biden the Russian interference that will support an aid that that they will embrace as well. That's basically the Republicans playbook divide and conquer amplified the divisions that existed in our country. Try to hold onto their base by amplifying the racist rhetoric and to denigrate immigrants and of course we can't leave out the GOP's old friends voter suppression and Gerrymandering. That's their playbook are. Playbook is to be clear eyed about what they're doing so that the divide doesn't lead to conquer and also it's turnout. It's just you know we have to remember that. Mitt Romney got more votes than Donald. Trump did the fundamental reason that we lost the presidency. That Hillary Clinton is in our president. Right now is because Democrats did not show up and vote right so did I. Was there anything hopeful in the hope is the hope? Is that right? Now we are. We are still continuing to see even in the face of this challenging pandemic worth seeing people not stopping. Doing the organizing work talking to voters. Were seeing strong voter enthusiasm and you know I really believe. We're going to have strong turnout. We see people like Dolores Huerta at ninety years old. Civil Rights icon. Who IS NOT STOPPING? I mean she's she's an amazing example. We asked her like what keeps her going. And you'll hear about that in the interview but It's just exciting to see that even in the face of all this uncertainty you have one thing that people are certain about in. That's that they want to vote for. Donald trump all right. Let's do it. We Scott less than six months. We've got the playbook Steve's given it to us no excuses show up and vote for Democrat. That's our playbook to win and we have to do it. We have so much to overcome fundraising is looking good polls are looking good but I don't really WANNA dig into poll. Six months ahead of time. We need to organize. We need to keep contacting voters. And that's how we win agree. Don't at any polls right now if ever. What about you my reason for hope? This week is It was announced today that the Hamilton movie is GonNa come out and I really love Hamilton and like so many people and I went in when I saw it thinking over height. There's no am GonNa like this as much as everybody says. And they did and my wish after seeing it was that everybody would have a chance to see it. Because it's such a powerful piece of Art. And it inspired me creatively and it inspired my activism because it really is about how one person who's determined and persistent can really transform our country. Obviously he didn't do it alone but you know that was. It's called Hamilton. So it's really about Alexander Hamilton. I'm so anyway. My wish. The night that I I saw was that everybody would get a chance to see it. I I kinda wish that it was going to be on. Pbs But it's GonNa be on Disney plus which makes it you know a little bit more accessible than What the you know ticket. Prices are obviously bananas and I've entered the lottery so many times to see it again and never won anyway. People are going to get a chance and I. I hope that If you get a subscription or have watched Bernie when all of this is over or something that you can affordably see. Hamilton and be inspired. I can't wait. I'm really excited. I had the same experience seeing Assad here in. La The touring show and I number actually your. You had a much more generous response to it like. How can we get everyone to see this? I was just like when am I going to be able to come see this again? That was during the first number. I'm like I can't wait to see this for time already. Okay so now. We've got some reasons for hope. Some things to look forward to and we also have a two awesome items on the to do list this week. Yes exactly it's just party may is just full of parties right virtual parties. It's made springtime. It's time to party. Yes right almost some we have the May twenty four th letter writing party which we're doing with folk forward pantsuit politics. Steve's birthday we're all getting together bury the lead their lead with. It's my birthday. We're getting together on zoom to sing happy birthday and write letters and chat about political stuff. This is GonNa be Super Fun and productive the letter writing parties. We haven't participated yet. I what are you waiting for their really effective. They're really fun and you can do it safely at home. Which is the the whole point so hope you join us for that great and then later in the month. We're celebrating another birthday. Dolores Huerta her ninetieth birthday celebration on. May Thirtieth just to steal all of my thunder. I don't appreciate it. I'm sure that's why she did it. Her birthday was back in April. She didn't have to do it right after my birthday party. I will say as strong as our letter partying letter writing party. Guest lineup is pretty spectacular. Benjamin Bratt America Ferrera Jane Fonda Evil Longoria George Lopez Carlos Santana Gloria Steinem maxine waters. Many more. It's pretty cool party. Having a little party envy but but the good news is that on. These are two different days so people can attend to different virtual celebrations and for Dolores Huertas birthday. I shall be raising money for the Dolores. It Foundation which is doing incredibly important work. That's right so We'll have links to both of those parties. Obviously you can also go to Dolores where the Foundation Dot. Org to get information on on that party and we're going to hear more about it in our interview. There are few people who've made a bigger contribution to modern organizing than Dolores Huerta. She's dedicated her life to fuelling movements and fighting for Social Justice in partnership with Cesar Chavez built in co founded the United Farm Workers Union and ushered in a Cultural Revolution in America. She was awarded the Medal of freedom by President Obama. Who borrowed the slogan? She made famous. Yes we can or see Safeway. Dolores is an icon. An ninety years young shows no sign of slowing down. Miss Weta much for joining us today. First off how are you and your family doing during the corona virus pandemic well. I'm happy to report that my family is doing well. We're all sequestered All of our employees for the most part the foundation. We actually started working at home Actually almost two weeks before the Government California. Everybody to lock down. We were so afraid that there are people with get the infected with the virus that we're doing all doom. All of our staff members did lose some of his family but they were in Mexico but he did lose his grandparents to to the virus so and everybody has friends and people that they know that have lost someone and in our area. We have a because we are. We have a large Latino population. I'm here talking to you from Kern county yet. That is one of our agricultural counties and over sixty five percent of our population here that have been affected have been the Latino community many of them farmworkers frontline workers that were really not provided the kind of protection that they needed but thankfully to answer. The question Myself with my family. We're flying. It's great to hear this and our love goes out to your colleague who lost his grandparents And of course immigrants and workers are being hit the hardest and continue to be hit. The hardest by this and that's part of the work you've been doing. Since the beginning protecting working people Some of your earliest organizing work was knocking on doors. Having conversations with Latino farm workers in registering voters in their homes and in their communities. What was your organizing principle when you first started out. And how did it develop well? It's all about empowering people and trying to get people to understand that they have the power to make changes actually Of the knocking on doors. That we do mostly campaigns like when registering people to vote. Or when we're getting off the boat or like now we've been working a lot. On the census trending people to complete the census farms at. You make them understand why this is important. How they're going to bring money into the communities when they get counted and also how we give a presentation but actually are organizing methods or not knocking on doors. Organizing methods are actually having meetings in people's homes getting them to invite us into their home and we talk about the issues of is oftentimes people know that they're being discriminated. They know that they're poor. They don't understand how it happened. You know I was born into the situation. And they don't understand the power structures of the community that they don't understand or don't know about a pieces of legislation that have been passed a to keep them in the poverty situation that they're in or in the discriminative section Discriminated lives that they live in. They don't realize that they have actually just powers at work to make that happen and so once they can understand how how this came to be in how can change it but it it takes a more of a conversation than that then you can do it at the door suit. It has to actually have people invite you into their homes so that you can have a lengthy conversation and they can ask questions and they can finally understand what's happening because if they don't understand why the situation exists or how it came to be that way then they don't understand why they don't know how they can change it and you mentioned the census work that you're doing right now and we're GonNa ask you about that a little bit later but since you brought it up now that we're locked down and people aren't being invited into each other's homes. How're doing that work to spread word about the census? And how how's that going? I think we've come into your world so we're now having to do the virtually I of money by telephone lawlessly calling into people's homes and talking to them and you know trying to convince them on the phone by they have to fill out the census forms and so this is basically what we're doing now. A lot of zoom meetings with a lot of our leadership really fun to to see how so many of the people we work with people that we work with our low income people. They're discriminated in communities. Many of them have never been on his zoom meeting or facebook meaning before and to see them king on these meetings and how excited they are when something that they actually do. And it's pretty exciting. We had our last call. We had this a different representatives from our different chapters that got on his own call. They were so excited when they get calls. Were a lot of fun for them. Are they changing up their backgrounds and showing off their pets and doing all that stuff too? I don't know how to change the background. Of course you. How lobby kid interference difficult for them? Because a is you know Especially in rural areas people injured Internet access and this is really impacted the kids especially because there's supposed to be doing the work at home and yet they don't have broadband access to their homes. Mix very very difficult so we see that the children especially Spanish speaking population is really going to suffer in the going to be a really held back because they're missing almost the whole semester education and we don't know of course when it's GonNa end all to say that in our area here because we are again in Kern county which is elected like something and you Steve. You were here. So you saw like Alabama the city council in the Board of supervisors who were controlled by the Republican Party. They both voted to open up to open up the the city until opened up the county. Even though we have Our last count we had yesterday. It was one thousand eight hundred thousand people that had been acted with the virus. And of course you had some deaths also so to think that they're opening it up when we have this this many people that have been infected as crew crazy. I think that people are gonNA as some of these governments. Open things back up too. People are going to have to take it upon themselves to put their own distancing in place in prioritize their their health if the government is not going to do it but just are you satisfied with how people are responding to the census or are we sort of losing ground because of the lack of ability to meet in person. We're GONNA have to make that up. This challenge is basically With Donald Trump did from the day that he came down later when attacking Mexicans as criminals rapists and the constant attacks on Mexicans and Latinos. You all of the refugees came to the border. All the deportations have happened has instilled in our Latino population. Mike going to say fear of when they use the word terror people have been terrorized and The fear because you have a lot of families where you'll have someone who's a citizen in the family of resident immigrant in you'll have undocumented person in that family you know And so you have this fear that has been so prevalent in the community. That people are just. They're afraid of the government. Basically INISTER NOT AFRAID. They're mad at the government Cooperate with the government and when we say well the census is something that is running every ten years by the and run cooperate or have anything to do with it. You know so we have to do. We'll a deep education to say to them. Look this is a guy this. This happens every ten years. Yes this is run by. The government is going to give us money so when you sign up with the census you're going to bring money into your community and in California. It's almost two thousand dollars per person in. Don't sign up. They were going to lose that money and that money it goes for our schools. It goes for health care. It goes for infrastructure. So we're going to lose them. You don't sign up. And then we have to convince some of the census confidential right. Anybody shares the information. They can go to prison for five years that there's no citizenship question on the census because we with other organizations and a- led by Mexican American Legal Defense Fund. Aclu that they sued trump. And so we one. We were one of the plaintiffs and we want to. There's no citizenship question on the census. But that still doesn't really. I don't think it conquers fear. You know we're able to reach some people to say you know. Please cooperate more recently here in the Central Valley. They're telling people you don't have to put your address down the city. The Gillette thing so it's a lot of work in man. Of course he talk about representation because eventually hopefully we get a new administration and we want to get immigration. Reform we to get another legalization program. But that's not gonNA happen until we get people that look like us. The people that have our values that they elected to the Congress to the state legislature so the census also council up a representation. So let's talk more about Some of the early organizing you did and how it relates to the work that we're doing right now In nineteen sixty five. You helped organize the famous great boycott that eventually pressure growers into allowing farm workers to unionize one key. Tactic was to have farmworkers share their stories. Can you talk about why? Personal stories are so an effective and how we should continue using them. Today I did personal. Stories are a way to get the message but but the and I know people rely on a lot of people. Rely on organizing. But you've got to organize I before personal stories. I think have any kind of an impact in is in is hard work. You know. It's just reaching out to people talking as many people as you can bringing people together of so. The personal stories are important. But I think there's too much emphasis has been put on that and I know it was one of the people that came out of the farm. That kind of is really a spouse that but to me we talk about Marshall Ganz exactly were ruled at house meetings to do them but the way that we organize the farmer was union. When you talk about that try. It took three years. That says it. A nice spent Doing Hall swings up and down the valley with farmworkers to build that base. You have to have a base and two people three people but you've got to organize a base To be able to do the work in. Yeah the personal story is nice. You know when you talk about it but basically talk you know in general when we talk to people about the boycott. We said farmer workers are on strike. You know I mean. Farmers don't have toilets you know we didn't say Jose say the farmworker we said farmworkers in general. They don't have bathrooms in the field. You know they don't have a drinking water. They don't have the right to organize so I guess that's the story that you tell like. Today we talked about the people that are in these Cages at the border. The thought like one particular person talking about everybody that is there and when you talk about a personal story but I can assure you right when I earned basically boycott I was talking about who say or maybe I I was talking about is in general. Since you're being so open and honest I would love to hear about you. Know a think that as we look you talked a little bit about how critically important it's going to be to elect a new president in the fall as you're looking around at how people who might vote for for Joe Biden the presumptive Democratic nominee for president. As you're looking at the space what do you see that we need to change in order to mobilize enough people in the right places to get him elected well? I think we have to organize you. Go out there and and I. I don't know how long up people don't be in lockdown but is I'm assuming that it's going to Kennedy over mainly by July for sure or maybe August what that means we're GonNa have to organize like crazy of between now and November to get people to vote and there will be a story in. The personal story will be about a president who didn't protect the people of the country and who was incompetent allowed so many people to die. So that's a personal story. I think probably talking about okay. We have to change a champ. The change and make sure that the president is not continue to be in. That officer has power basically to be the personal delivers death to our communities instead of saving lives in contrast live by now the one thing that I did say to the Biden Campaign. I just endorsed. Hopefully a president barack going get elected. I did states to the bank campaign that you've got to adopt from of the policies that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren has been espousing. Just can't have the same old same old. We have too many spicy young people like yourselves that that there's something so much they they they go to college. They have so much debt that they can't even afford a home. Afterwards marketisation we get a lot of lot of autism as of young people that have graduated from college and then they can find a job in the. They're saddled with all his school that they have so we have to retrain our economic system so that it is almost just a more just system and hopefully biden elected that he will listen to people. I mean he's already. I come out and said that he will do something about this student. Loan debt bright. We don't we do that. He's definitely going to do something about healthcare. And I think that's one thing that this Democrats really or spotlight on that. So many people don't have health care and people are exposed to this horrible virus and so telling people have died. Yeah Yeah and trump is still trying to take away. Healthcare from twenty million people and destroy the affordable care. Act in the middle of all of this. Which just I know. That's seems like a bad way to get reelected to me to try to get reelected but also extremely cruel thing in general but I think we have to take the take the phrase government of the people by the people for the people but the people have got to make it work and I think that's our message that we've got to say to everybody. You have got to become an activist. You'VE GOTTA GO. GotTa knock on the door to gotTa talk to your family. Better talk to people. Make sure that everybody votes because the only way that Biden will lose is people. Don't get out there and people don't vote and the discipline. Hopefully people will will be mad enough that they will go out there and vote. But I think we're are going to have to do that. There's no magic formula. I think it's just really really basically all of us have got to just Organiz as many people as we can to make sure that they get on on the streets to to again. Here's the door. Knocking really comes in knocking on the doors and going to people in talking to them at their doorstep at telling them why it's important for them to vote. You're ninety years old now and and by the way I was really sad that the California Democratic Party Edward got cancelled. Because you're having a ninety old ninety birthday party there that got canceled too so we're sorry that we missed that we have that like everything else is going to be online. Oh it's still coming up in the online on. May the thirtieth at six PM and we have some great folks that are GonNa be with us. Steiner was going to be with US Jane Fonda Martin Sheen Santana unles. Jeez there but we'll go to. Can anybody join? We want everybody to come on board with that. It'll be fundraiser. Par Foundation and the work that we're doing right here with all of our people who've been affected by the virus. Yes so it's GonNa it's GonNa move that ever Longoria America Ferrara and George Lopez will hope that make it funny awards. That sounds amazing. Well Yeah I'm glad I didn't miss a chance to celebrate with you but At Ninety now you're still working so hard and you've been through so much and been at the forefront of so much how do you avoid burn out? How do you stay energized and Do you give yourself a pep talk to keep going where you get your energy. I think I think I have the energy like you do see was I mean basically Energy comes from the fact that we have so much work to do. We have so many more people to reach a so many more people to organize many more people to become active. And so this is where the energy comes from the market within talk to the monthly people can motivate to build a country. Build a better world to get rid of all of these. `ISMS THAT EXIST IN OUR SOCIETY MASON. The misogyny homophobia you know racing the ignorance. We have our society. All of these `ISMs that we talk about they come from ignorance and and that's what we have to do. This organizes the ministers of shoes. We'll have to carry that truth to people directly and talk to them and challenge them make them understand and it takes a lot of dueling. It does it does take a lot of energy but when you can convince people they have to send up and fight for themselves. I think the rewards are so spectacular there just so amazing that you WanNa continue to do it and you want to reach as many people as you can because so many people out there. They don't realize the power that they have and that's what we have to do. We have to strike a match and lighter power. Would you've been striking those matches for a while since the fifties and you probably have some of the best historical perspective on where we are now but for some people? The past few years have felt really dire given your historical perspective in and and what you've seen has it felt that way for you are in a unique time or are we in a cycle and you know we need to just say this too shall pass Bulls and think we are in a cycle but I think that the powerful forces on the other side They have so much control over the media and through the media they are able to control so many people's minds and even in this pan-demic you know you still have people that get on their facebook and they hear all these crazy things likely started out by saying the was a hoax and this is kind of interesting. This is what you do is so important right here in our local news. You never hear anything. Negative about the president early ago from our local. Nbc CBS ABC Stations. Here in such later on even to public broadcasting has more you know pictures of what the trump with the president is saying the stupid things that he says he does that. You never hear on the local news. If you listen to local news it's all power and glory in the saving us from the pandemic. You never hear the real news and this is happening all over the country I was in Washington. Dc We had a really great celebration. Nc Pelosi for women's suffrage day Moore. Nancy was honoring me and That was speaking to one of the congresswoman there from Ohio and she said that the media there is so bad that she can understand why so many people will for trump and for the Republican party. 'cause the news is so sanitized so that people don't really get the truth they don't get the choose and Zyklon. I talk how people you know. If you're not getting the news on your station that you need to get you know. Listen to Amy Goodman Luther. Bear you know. Listen to Tapper Nola you know. Listen to the COMEDIANS. They'll get better of betty center line on from them that you'll get from your local television station that's really true. That's you know arts and satire play a very important role especially in fascism or times of Wannabe Fascism when the press is beings packed and manipulated and the artist really do become the truth teller. So that's a good point. Okay well tell us more about the Dolores Huerta Foundation and how it's continuing your work law. We're doing really good working. Like import different counties. Right now And we're working on attend school to prison pipeline up by racism on the schools right now. We're silicon on the census which he had to resort to phone banking. We're working on in child poverty campaign passing legislation at the state level and the federal level to get More a child tax credits for folks. We did a BA campaign to get some of our undocumented people here and luckily we have a great governor going there newsom a great leaders in the legislature So they able to get some financial assistance for the documented. We're getting ready to go into the Food Bank business as we did years ago because so many of the farm workers were still working out there and You might be able to still work like they need any kind of a number one Their wages are minimum wage for the most part but also because children are at home of one of the partners has to stay home to take care of the kids and so if they've got a loss in about half of their income that they would normally have to incenting uproot banks At at the time to take actually get access to food so a Lotta irons in the fire. Working really hard you're doing it just The the amazing work continues You've taught we've talked a lot about the you know what's GonNa come up in the next few months with the Census and the election into our final question that we ask everyone is very forward-looking. What gives you the most hope for our future. Well I'm hoping that out of this pandemic that a lot of people just we really really angry and we'll see why we need a better government not only at the national level here on my local level. Here we've had all supervisors in our County City Council of all said. Okay people in an open up the county right now. Even though we're having a lot of people that are infected by the virus so we work very hard to get good government and I'm hopeful that people will really start realizing how important that isn't that they will become active and also thinking about the climate change and how the fact that we don't have a lot of people on the road. This really helped our air to become cleaner. Our water could become cleaner and So people will see this as Things that we can actually accomplish things we can look forward to. You know gang or you're on the green on deal to make sure that we can Sink IN TERMS OF JOBS. That are not dependent on fossil fuels. And so I think there's a lot of Vision out there and we just have to the people coming in and Come on journey with all of us am hope like the pandemic is kind of in like a up call for a lot of people. A lot of people may be Leonard home to start reflecting on what's important and Maybe lives are important than the material goods or haircuts. Well I certainly haven't had haircut in a while. Also I guess I have my priorities in the right place. Thank you so much. Everyone is going to join your ninetieth birthday party. I'm really excited about catch. May Thirtieth at six. Pm In California Times Five. Five to seven. California time and It's a dolores. Huerta DOT ORG is a website and people can just go on Dolores Huerta Dot Org. And that's how they can sign in great will also be sure to to have that link up on our podcast page and and on social media as well so we'll share that with people who wanNA listen celebrate and support the foundation. It's going to be a lot of fun in in Mariah. I WANNA thank you to keep mentioning Stephen. You're doing the hard work also very very generous of you. I've not seen us the hard work. That's not true right as participate in then. I was very excited to have the opportunity to speak with you. So thank you so much for for joining us. Yes thank you. I hope we get to see you in person again soon. Thank you thank you. Thank you for joining us today. And thank you for taking action. This is how we win. We win when we all stay safe and get involved. We want to hear from you tweet to US AT BLUES Boy Steve and at Mariah underscore craven or email us at podcast at swing left. Dot Org. 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Westworld | Season 3, Episode 4 Recap: The Mother of Exiles

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Westworld | Season 3, Episode 4 Recap: The Mother of Exiles

"Season Three episode four. The mother of exiles is over but we are just getting started here on post show recaps. It's the welcome to Westworld. Podcast here on post show recaps. I'm Josh Twitter. Joined here by Joe. Gar Fine Joe. Is it possible that we're both just dolores? Eyes Wide Shut Party. I know Oh my God all right well. We spent most of the last podcast a week. Three talking about the possibilities for who could be kicking around in Charlotte hails head. We now have the answer basically said the answer already at the start of this show but in case you missed it in case you miss the episode. Get outta here. We're talking about episode four nine episode. Three go watch the episode. Come back unless you don't care about the spoilers. In which case stay. But that's enough filibustering for me. You just going to say it. Holy Sh- NIKE'S JOE girlfriend. There's four Dolores and different iterations or are they all the same as she able to manipulate them. There are there are the Quattro Dolores by here on West Road as the answer about. Who IS CHARLOTTE? We got an answer and the answer is Charlotte is still Dolores Dolores that's on a little bit of a different path than our main. Evan Rachel Wood deloris. We also found out who? Connel's is the Tommy Flanagan character. He is also deloris. He's also deloris. And Hey look it's hero Sonata. He's back on the show from shogun world. It's Musashi and guess what that's not. That's the Laureus Sport delores the Dolores the Dolores Joe Garfield. I shouldn't be surprised. See retrospect girlfriend only ever trusted herself. So this is crazy. This spun to talk through. I said at the start of this podcasting season that for for my job with a reporter covering westworld I had seen some episodes of the show. And so I was going to abstain from the theorizing and all of that as much as humanly possible and really only like ask questions and get into the realm of you know really like trying to keep myself in the head space where I was in any given episode. I'll tell Ya last week's podcast was was an adventure for me whereas like all right. So how do we? How do we handle this one? When I know that the answer is one week away very luckily I will say and I said this is joe off line. I know nothing about the future of the season. I do not have screeners for those. I believe that I will be getting them one at a time but podcasting will be very very pure and clean moving forward so I will be back in the theorising game with you joe as of now because I have no idea what any of this means. I know only as much as you know but last week was very fun. Podcast I like all right. Well maybe if I throw out some suggestions for who could be. What are some reasonable suggestions? What could be interesting? Let's talk those through and then I threw it out to you at one point I said. Is there anybody? We haven't discussed yet that you would be thinking about because when I was watching episode three last week the first time that I watched episode three anyway. It did not occur to me at all that Dolores could be in multiple different bodies that there'd be multiple iterations dolores right now so if it wasn't something that had purely occurred to me. I DID NOT WANNA toss up. The possibility didn't occur to you either. It did seem like it occurred to a few people who listened to the podcast so so points the people who wrote in what if it's also deloris. What if the worst has multiple delores you guys were on the on the right wavelength because that is the big reveal of this episode? Is that Dolores? She brought five brain balls out of the park and at least we see at least three of them in the form of via the new Charlotte. Connel's and Saito is the new hero character. Who is the head of the in Singapore. So those are three of the brain balls. We assume that Delors the Evan Rachel. Wood character is her own separate brain ball. Write like Horace who escaped the park. So that would bring us then now down to two brain balls. One of whom we believe is Bernard which brings us now down to one. Which is unaccounted for. So I think that that's the that's the track right. Does that does that add up to you? It does a lot of Bernard well how much we have a lot to get into for sure because they think the logistics of all of these are pretty wonky. Yes but there's only one that we know that we don't know where the brain ball if it's already in play right so it's either in play or it's not being used yet so there could be another dolores still in the mix or is this now are we. Are we now trying to be like trained in the direction of Dolores only is concerned for herself? She only trusts herself. So that's another dolores waiting or is it that she is reserving her brain this brain ball for somebody that she's taking back from the valley be under something like for example if she now knows that she can copy herself and she can upload versions of herself and she can trust herself or at least she believes. I think now we have to start getting into the conversation about what she wrong to trust herself. Because it seems like maybe. Charlotte has a different idea about things and the circumstances of her life might shape Deloris in a different direction. Which is pretty cool. Even though it's going to be very complicated figure out how to how to talk about these characters with names. Who could she? Joe Be reserving this brain ball for like a digital copy of say teddy and can teddy simultaneously live in the valley beyond while she also sneaks a teddy into the flesh and blood world for herself to be her king. Could we see James Marsden Return? I know your big Dabur Nathi Fan. I can't is she reserving this dear old dad. Is that a possibility. That would be who I would think because Teddy did choose to kill himself in the season. Two finale so I know my money I love Louis hurt them and I'm all about Abernethy so I feel like if she did trust him that everyone has sort of their one person. There one cornerstone. Maeve is your daughter and Dolores had her dad and I just feel like dapper. We haven't seen the last of him if I had to guess. Yeah I also wonder like are the pearls like. Can you blank them out? Like can you reboot them? Can you wipe out of personality? Shave Shave personality off put new personality on. And if that's the case maybe maybe she plans may be like dolores prime plans on scrapping all the other. Dolores once this is all said and done in like we'll she imbue them with different personalities. If that's her plan that she may have another thing coming. Because I don't think the Loris will give up on life very easily if she's pitting herself against three other. Dolores that feels like a mistake but we just don't know what we do now is that she has produced multiple versions of herself. Which in makes some sense. I think that there's a scene in season two when Dolores is at the Mesa and Charlotte. Hail like the actual Charlotte Hale is about to drill into dad. Burnett these brain and delores shows up with all attacked up James Marsden when he's like in his swat sued and she talks about like if we if we kill you We still have. We still have a copy of you. We still have like your backups. So we've known about the backups. For a while but. I just don't think we've ever really put together. The idea that the backups could be simultaneously running that there could be multiple versions of Dolores multiple versions of Teddy multiple versions of Bernard running around at the same time. But it makes sense because we've seen like a basically a warehouse full of Bernard Bodies Right Lake in the in the secret cabin in the woods so I think that the idea for this has been laid out in front of us for a while just not with enough detail that we would necessarily be thinking to put this together. Yes I I'm on board with all that I I thought well each each character have multiple brain balls you know. The average alerts was. Dolores was the first reaction was the first robots. They different versions of her. That for probably kept right right so we don't know if it's that we don't know if it's we don't know if it's like the version of Charlotte the version of Dolores that's in Charlotte hail last week and I will advise people to not only re watch this past week episode which is worth doing but go now and rewatch episode three the absence of field. Which is the Test Thompson? Showcase plays really. Interestingly when you know who is in there when you when you know that that's also deloris. But it's a dolores reacting to her circumstances in in a way that is separate from the Loris prime the hail deloris when she's brought online at the start of last week's episode. She looks in the mirror and she's like I'm Charlotte Hail. But she tried to kill us so that version of Dolores knows enough to know that Charlotte. Hail tried to kill the hosts. So it's a relatively recent. Dolores backup then so at what point in the history of Dolores? Is that version taken Hard to say but for me it wouldn't make much sense than for if Delors has that capability why she wouldn't be installing version of herself that is like with the most recent relevant knowledge possible to all of these different versions so I think that these are all probably delores who have the memory equivalents of right up until the escape of the park and maybe even possibly afterwards if they had been backing her up at after that point but I just don't know it's also confusing job are fine. Oh my God. My head is still entertaining. Has a good episode aside from the big reveal right like you is dazzling and the fight scenes and everything yeah. There was a lot unpack. The eyes wide shut stuff. Listen I I know that. We don't have parties really anymore unless there is zoom based parties. And everybody's desperate human contact in going outside in you know pining for the day where the state of things is such that we can do that even then. I think I'd be too nervous to go to a party like this. This is this is a lot jeff. Yeah the masks. Were all dining right. Now are a little different. They're a little different a more of like the mouth variety than like the Phantom of the opera costs play is usually attend. One percenter douchebag parties anymore now. Our invitations got lost in the mail. But yeah they're all wearing they're like masquerade stuff. And that's that's where everything goes down and Bernard in stubs. They think that they've got this figured out. Bernard so smart. He thinks that deloris is replacing. The hosts he's right and just the wrong target and so. This is like where everything builds between Bernard being face to face with connel's and In in Singapore may being face to face with Musashi. Who's now Saito? Who is secretly Dolores and then of course? We haven't even mentioned the fact that this was This was the man in black return. That William is back in action. Starlet Hale is gonNA give him a real head trip in the form of. He's she's deloris as well but he doesn't seem to need much help going crazy right. No not at all and my wife capacity. Wait is this a host or is this the original William because the way they played it until they showed his hand with the Mechanical Finger. Took me a minute to to remember. Wait WILLIAM IS DEAD. Yes this is a host right. Yeah he'd been he'd been he'd been sh- well he'd been his hand. Blew up in season two goes and he tries to shoot deloris and I kept looking at the hand to see if there was like any clues about like the medical technology in the world of West rose. West Rosen still doing it. That's how traumatized game of thrones. I am in the world of Westworld is he. Is He able to repair that? Because we've seen wounds be repaired in the past and it didn't really have like a good clear like head on shot up his hand but you kept seeing him wearing a glove or a bandage or something so I would guess that like he's Luke Skywalker to a certain extent right like I think he probably has the mechanical bit To his hand but the question of like is that Williams is that the real men in black is he a host already. Has he been a host for a while? I think that the show is still very confusing on that front Joe and I wish that I had a really good answer about it and I don't know that I necessarily do. It was pretty unclear. But I know it's the NCAA we'll get to. But I love that. He winds up being the man in white. You know you have the black ending up in in a state asylum and the man white and I brilliant. I don't think that that reflects his his moral. I don't think they like it's like he's now. I can Avatar of morality but he does like have this magneto aesthetic to him now. Like in the when. He was on lockdown at the end of the first X. Men Right. I don't think he's really in any position to like manipulate metal. That's more maids game right and to me. The reason that they went away to show the metallic finger is to show that they don't want to fix them. They HAVE IS CHARLOTTE. Hail or sorry. I call her now chivalrous. Because you Laura's good job starlet Dolores. She'll Laura's have the technology to fix him but doesn't bother. It's a reminder for him that the heat's a question that the nature of is unreality but I also was struck by just like James Dallas. He stuck in a cage of his own making drinking whiskey and going crazy and there are the parallels. The last season are unbelievable. The the institution. He's locked up at the end of the episode. Inner Journeys yes. It's very on brand very point. So yeah he's a he's in a erupt spot and he's still being haunted by his daughter and she's like our my real my not real. Obviously it's real enough that That show Loris can overhear him talking to talking to somebody. Who isn't there? And the the way that I took it from that conversation between the Charlotte Delores and William at the end of the episode or near the end of the episode was like has she been spying on on him for a while It seems like she's been like watching him like loses mind from a distance. Absolutely I just feel like if she shorus. Dolores is a in charge and she obviously has technology. She's chosen the the place where he's being housed. She's got security. She probably has camera. She probably has every single aspect of him covered so that when she does need to use him she does so. The plan is so. There's there's the potential like by out of Delos and that's going to be bad for business as far as the Dolores. I are concerned because they are going to. They want they can like manufacturer new host. You would imagine and so they can start taking things over from the inside and if they no longer have that our at their disposal they have suffered a significant loss. That's a that's a pretty bad one. So they need the man in black's shares for the shareholder meeting. And I guess he can go two ways about that you can e either enlists him as an ally in rally him to your cause for the board meeting or you can make him look like a looney toon and get him locked up into that they choose door number two there you get. That was the right call or do you think that that's like born out of vengeance and maybe as screwed this one up like would this have been a time that they probably could have leaned on the man in black like maybe wait until after something like this to get your vengeance so the stakes seem a little high but I guess this fits thematically and the idea of like delores trust herself. I had a different read on. Which is that. They are keeping him because dealers is in charge away from a place where you can find him. Thinks Iraq must know that he has a controlling interest in Delo William does and he's probably looking for them as soon as he's alive doesn't know he's a house we don't know if he's a host but I feel like they're not going to reveal him to the world or plates were insight or Sarah can find him. Yeah because if Iraq finds him and if Sirotkin like whisper in his ear about I suspected their hosts. I suspect. Mankind is in trouble. He could be very seductive Iraq. We get a lot of Sarokin this episode. I thought that was great. The stuff about about Paris were that it works still here in the world of Westworld was very chilling and I think that you get a lot more insight ha into wise Iraq is the way he is and why he feels the ways that he feels they really humanized that character for me this week and in a way that I thought was pretty good. He's such a delicious villain already. We don't know if he's a villain he's bill initiate leafy shoots that one guy in the face you know. They're yes true not good not great bar. Great Bob Indeed. I mean like he puts the glasses on the guy. I like this is what's going to the world could be quite cruel. I'm not GONNA do anything. New his family but rubble and probably would steer his family in a terrible way. Speaking of glasses you notice. When they entered the eyes wide shut party they took Liam's actual seeing glasses off of him into me wasn't just because you're wearing a mask. It's because they don't know which technology is being utilized by glasses so maybe give us a bitter unfair advantage when they're in the sex. I don't like this vision of the future. Joe Glasses because I have glasses and crippling ice phobia so connecting. The DOTS suggests to me is people. Don't need glasses in the future. They use glasses for like extracurriculars and so for the most part because of security reasons you would assume that people either are. They have like laser corrective surgery or they're wearing contacts and that's a nightmare to me. If the future is such that I have to get ready for laser surgery or I have to start getting comfortable with contacts. I'm in trouble. I mean we're all in trouble right now anyway. So that's the. It's very far down on the ladder of concerns that I have but if we make it as far as twenty nine or whatever it is in the world looks like Westworld. I'm not excited about that. That piece of it then you will be perfect. That'd be fixed technology. That's what I'm nervous about. You have to sit through the technology thing. And what's that GonNa feel like it gives me chills and who's to say that control won't be put through your eyes like like the Palette of the mouth maybe the drip drip insights created to control. Humanity exists in different areas. Listen they're taking a digital community. The drugs are in thin wafers. Yes Oh who's to say eyedrops? I dropped communion. Yep I would choose if I could put the thing anywhere. Let's go armpits we'll do armpit drip a little when he put on it though. Well maybe they've got special deodorant for for for such occasions. I speak on behalf of those that she was going to say ladies but those humans who choose to shave their armpits. When I say that's a that'd be tough. That'd be tough. I don't know maybe like on your on the tip of your nose use oop. We have digressed already. There's a lot of very important stuff to talk about choosing to talk about all right. Well let's talk about the ramifications of the Dolores reveal a little bit further. So there's so I spoke with Jonathan Nolan and Lisa joy about this. There's an article up at teach dot com slash West road. If you haven't read it yet at least a joy posited how they both talked about how this story turn allows the show to more deeply explore. The question of nature versus is delores just a computer program or is she a collection of her experiences. And if she's a collection of her experiences than by copying the computer program and putting those two programs in different environments where you have deloris prime. Who's the Evan Rachel Wood's Lawrence we've seen for so long on one path? Doing the things we see her doing. And then you have dolores in the form of Charlotte shorus and she is off in a world where she's realizing that she has taken a mother away from a child that she is having to live the part of a working mother whose job is to run one of the most powerful companies on the entire planet that maybe she is starting to feel some level of empathy for the for the body. She is inhabiting that. Maybe she is going to start feeling differently than the main deloris that this may set up a bit of an inadvertent battle between the two These two probably the primary Delores even though there are other sources. I expect like the flight time. If we can get popped at some point probably the same for the Musashi version. I think that that's interesting. I think as far as what the show has always been interested in exploring thematically idea of having these two very different deloris is a cool one. I just hope that we are able to get to a point of like the naming conventions are universally agreed upon an easy enough to to to follow absolutely as it to sue theory time no. It's never too soon to do. Theory time talk show Lewis which is Charlotte Lewis so when last episode Dolores matter at the hotel and she was a little bit twitchy. Self harming and emotional. And we don't see exactly how Dolores Cook fixed herbicides covering her skin right covering up the cuts right so my theory is it. She switched out one of her remaining brain balls. A version of herself it was more evolved awake and predatory into Charlotte. Yes So she she basically rebooted that version of Dolores up to that point. That's what I assume that sad. That'd be sad but I think that'd be hard to pull off because this version of Dolores is now already so in deep with Dalos that like that would be a dangerous thing to do. 'cause she's like having these encounters with like with Dallas personnel. Like maybe if she replaces fully the Charlotte Dolores at this point then. She's going to run into like John on the third floor who she had coffee with the other week and forget that she'd had coffee with them and John is now going to start looking into that because it's very suspicious that he she doesn't remember the coffee date. Sort of like when Bernard had that conversation with stubs back in season one in substance. Like I'm really sorry about Teresa. I know you guys were very careful about your relationship. But it's my job to know these things Bernard's like I have no idea what you're talking about because Ford took that away from him that stubs being like something fishy is going on here right some so. I definitely get it like what? Let's toughened up like that makes some sense. And maybe there's some like attitude adjustment. She could be. She could be doing if she has that. Ability of the full white would probably be too dangerous trail. Okay another theory. Is that now that this version of Charlotte knows about her son. Her loyalty will change in the end. Her mission will join. Maybe they want to save their children for the future. Deloris has planned. I think I would be very surprised if this does not become a battle of the divorces delores Vija Laura's dawn of Dolores is on the menu. I do think that the show I think. Basically the whole point of last week's episode now in hindsight. When you know that I'm Charlotte is yet another deloris that there are multiple. Dolores is in play Is To let you know that like if things happened differently for Dolores or if she allowed herself to experience life in a different way she would react to it differently and I think that this version of her is going to be reacting differently. She's reacting to like motherhood differently. She you know she seems to have like a strong desire to protect this child and I think that that would a wine her more closely with Maeve if she and Maeve can kind of like sit down and talk Turkey and especially if like this version of Dolores. Shalala risk is able to articulate to Maeve. Why the prime version of her. The Evan Rachel. Wood version of her is doing all the things that she's doing. Cushal still be able to feel all of that in her bones right like her experiences as well. She understands that hurt. She understands that suffering and that that's why it's so especially powerful when you go back and you think about her choking out like the pedophile at the park last week. And she's now I what I'm supposed to be doing your. I'm supposed to be killing people upgrade at the hotel. You know. I'm I'm supposed to be taking you guys out. It's good to remember the more I choke you the more I remember. What am I supposed to be doing here? I thought that like has any love lost for people. I think she's just not really necessarily into like genocide of a species. Roy Forcing anybody to do anything. She's all about choice. I think now the interesting thing by about opening up delores character into multiple bodies as we get to explore. Dolores being able to make multiple choices that she can be many things at once and I think an ally of made a good call so speaking of that I was thinking about Sopko or Musashi and how Dolores obviously did. We didn't see them. Interact at all right. The first few seasons Musashi storyline and Dolores but she gained enough knowledge in her mission before she left the park to know or at least know about his skills right do you think when she put her own brave all in the Musashi body. It seems like she inherits some of his memories. That's why she's able to connect his connection with Dave right or is it is it that. She's grabbing his memories. Is it that she has studied the tape either way? So it's one of those at the very least that like she knows enough to know that may've Musashi had contact with each other and I'm trying to remember if there was anything in season to where she was aware of May trip to Shogun world and I don't think there is. I don't think so either at the very end before Musashi Dolores cut out and left. Was He about to cut open? Mavis head for her brain ball. Yeah I thought so right. That's what it seemed like. Then because then it but he obviously knew that this was being tracked but would that have stopped it with the brain. Bobby tracked or the body. I would assume the brain ball has a tracker. I would assume the brain ball has a tracker as well so my question there was. Is Dolores GonNa take brain ball and bring it with her? Because it could be useful or like Smash Smash Smash Smash Smash. Let me let me destroy the brain ball where lies in either way when all of her soldiers like show we gotta go? We gotta go probably pretty sloppy of Musashi Dolores to just cut and run without actually cutting. You probably wanted to take the time to snuff out maeve. Were take me with you. If Dolores gets a hold of this brain ball and Dillard's another Maeve CACTUS screwing over. Sarah becomes so much interesting. Oh yeah and the screwing over humanity like she can if she can get maeve under her thumb than yet. That's bad business for everybody. And because we know that Sato is Dolores massages. Dolores that brewery. It's genius that the white you to create new human skin is starting kegs at a brewery. You've got to keep it the right temperature pretty Rad. Yeah we have what she stabs the one guy through it and like all the Goo milk starts to starts to flow again. It's like Oh sock factory so great and that scene with maeve lying in bed dressed in the white you reminded me of that episode flashes before Your Eyes With Desmond and lost or in the white paint just saying Yup Yup for sure for sure and found. It's actually from bound to the child skis film. Bow Saw oh my gosh cult classic grocery short. That's that's what I thought inspired loss. Obviously he was this anyone can do. This reminded me of a couple of other things in pop culture. Anyway I mean. We've seen a lot of instances on westworld already of like Blood and the milk wouldn't have been westworld if we didn't get some of that here in season three choice to read which is very to me show gutty ran in black. She's got the pantsuit and it was the costume designer and the production of the season need to win emmys because my goodness they are gorgeous the architecture of it all I mean. The good news is if there's good news to be found in any of this is the competition might be a little thinner in twenty twenty so could could give westworld or a leg to stand on that. Maybe it wouldn't have otherwise but I thought that the set design this week was really good. Costuming was amazing. Just a lot of really alluring and like a good sense of humor this week you joey. I'm always pining for like West Ruby. A little funny like show me. Show me like a little bit of your underside. Let me let me get some laughs. Good laughs from eighth but also from the stubs versus Dolores fight the two people who are tripping on genre. That drug are like wait. What Oh my God is that Laura? They're both like you. In the night. She walks past the one guy who points to her head like he's like losing his mind. No no that was a reference backed up said one when Roderick was drunk at the Scotch and they were at that insight party and he put it to his head and trying to convince Liam that none of this is real in awe even better relations episode one. Wow that's so funny that's even better yes? It was goofy in a way but like in a in a window is really good like I think as as Westworld is getting a little more now this might sound weird Joe but hear me out as Westworld is starting to get a little bit crazy. You're it's also in some ways getting more straightforward. Yes I think. The linear nature makes a huge difference this season. It's very clear when we're not in the now. Yeah like there's things that are obviously like big surprises in big reveals and the fact that there's a metric ton of Dolores is in the mix right now is something that takes a good amount of brain space to get your head around. But the way that the narrative is unfolding feels fairly elegant certainly relative to seasons one and two where like by design it was choppy like you were in multiple timelines and you didn't really know it until you once you know that that's the trick you can see it. That does not appear to really be in play so much this season and I think that's very very helpful for just kind of giving us straight thriller with like definitely like the cerebral kick that you want out of Westworld but like the fact that like all these story were colliding at the same time with Bernard hearing it from connel's and Maeve hearing it removes Sashi and William hearing it from Hale in all of that seemingly happening simultaneously basically or roughly simultaneously. I think this is just a really really strong move. And I'm glad that we seem to be like mostly on the same time frame. Except for maybe the William stuff which. I'm still pretty confused right. And they had that little post seen with him and emily by they love. Kacha huggers at such a delight to have her back. Is Emily do you watch evil? Yeah behind but I love that. Show you both a crazy show own my great on that evil's wild and this is like A. Cbs Show so maybe some people are probably just like another ncis or something like that. It's it's very weird. It's one of the trickiest things I've seen in a long time. And I highly recommend evil shadows Antonio Massaro for making me watch it. There are some weird weird shenanigans at that show gets into if you're looking for things to binge right now strong endorsement for evil that shows. Excise x-files super step and way more supernatural. It's like it's also like it's kind of Westworld e in the sense of like. Is this now like reality? Where evil is like dealing with. Are you the supernatural real? Or is there a psychological explanation for stuff and Kacha Herbert? Who PLAYS EMILY? Demand blacks daughter on Westworld is like the scully to Mike Cultures. Moulder Aka Luke cage so really finding cast really good Combo and of course your friend and mine. Michael Emerson Aka Ben. Linus from loss has delicious role on evil. He is he makes Ben. Linus looked like at the nicest guy of all time. He kind of plays the devil or does he. You don't know but he's terrifying and very weird and sometimes like super gross and really really worth watching I think is is is the point here but yeah I mean there's that post credits scene in season two with Kacha harbors and William as the man in black and it seems like that's some sort of future point right where lake he's going through some exercise as robot and are they building him out like is that happening. But I'm still just kinda struggling to figure out how that aligns with what's going on with William Right now. I did notice that Charlotte fricks Williams neck. Yeah right before. He's getting apprehended. And I didn't know if that was like an instance of like I'm going to need his blood for something or is she infecting him with something that makes him see Dolores in like the Alice in Wonderland dress at the end of the episode. Or is he just insane at that point once again and that's just his own delusion coming up or is he a robot at that point and like she's uploaded something to him? I HAVE NO IDEA. I do think like the Williams stuff is so confusing and maybe wouldn't be quite confusing without that season to post credit scene. I just don't know if anyone's got some some theories on the William stuff and it's up. Yeah I don't know either but I don't mind if that's the only confusing aspect. Yeah on but it is very confusing. How how about Bernard Bernard fits into all of this. Because I know you've got questions and I've got one that I want to throw out to if you don't get to it. I think the first obvious is why if she brought back to lars only brought back the brain balls of herself. Did she bring Bernard? Can You answer that? Well let me pause it the thing that I'd like to posit and I talk about this with with Mariah Golo. Who's my co host on series regular and we talked about this on Westwood. But I'll shout this one from the hilltops in case anyone has any thoughts on this. I would I really like to hear. People engage this if they think that there might be something to this so we now know that there are multiple divorces and Dolores herself into three different pearls in addition to her on. So that's that's four. She took five out of the park with her if you include her own. We're talking about six pearls. So there's there's the prime deloris parole which already being smuggled out in the form of Charlotte at the end of season. Two that she then puts back inside of her. Evan Rachel Wood Body there's the Charlotte Hale. Who is currently Dolores? That is currently operating. There's connel's the security guard. Tommy Flanagan theirs. Musashi Aka Saito. Who is also now? Dolores running the sake distillery. Then there's two other pearls one is Bernard and one is unaccounted for. In the end of season two she brings Bernard Back and she tells Bernard this whole Spiel of like. We're probably going to kill each other. We're going to need each other though. The species is going to need us. We're GONNA need to push each other forward. That's then that's the way it was like a checks and balances thing is what she's selling and I think potentially very naively of us. We've kind of accepted that premise. On the face of it that she's brought Bernard back specifically for that reason because she believes that host kind is going to require multiple perspectives in order to thrive. I think that that really flies in the face of her bringing back a small squad if divorces of bringing back a small squad of gesture selves. Right we know Joe that at least at one point in time deloris has been able to house multiple different builds that she was herself and she was Wyatt that she was both the farmer's daughter and she was the violent revolutionary so we can assume that hosts are capable of housing multiple builds in multiple personalities. Right Bernard at the start of this season is doing the self analysis because he doesn't trust anything anymore rightfully so does the self analysis of asking himself. When was the last time you had contact with Dolores Abernathy and the answer? His analysis gives is ninety two days or something like that and then he asked. Would you lie to me? Bernard and Bernard Says No. Would you lie to Me Bernard? Maybe he should've asked that question a little bit better. And maybe it's possible that key Bernard hasn't had contact with Delors's Abernathy in ninety days but simultaneously could also be deloris. It is not impossible by the rules of the world at the show that Bernard can simultaneously be Bernard but also have a latent a symptomatic dolores kicking around in his Pearl right like that's established if Delors can be both dolores and Wyatt. Why can't Bernard Pete both Bernard Dolores Dolores can bring Bernard back because she s? She says when she does it. I built you before because I remembered once I can do it again. And that's how she does it. But why if she's trusting only herself would she not throw version of herself in there too as a potential corrupter for whatever she needs from Bernard if Bernard can think about things from a perspective that she's not going to be able to think things through because Bernard has got his own agency. He's got his own design. He's got his own way of doing things. But why wouldn't she set Some sort of checks and balances on on herself on on Bernard so I wonder Joe. I wonder if it's not impossible. That Bernard isn't like fully purely Bernard and his trust issues are only about to get worse as he realizes that there is a dolores hiding inside of him if that is possible how and why did he break free from her because as it sued by her design by her designed by her being like one of the things that will be advantageous to me is to have. Bernard running around the world. Doing Bernard things that I can spy on because I'm secretly inside of him. One of my builds is inside of him and Bernard has use. He knows how to build hosts he understands like host biology better than almost anybody He's got a very different perspective on what it is. I'm trying to do the maybe through that. I will understand some of my own weaknesses and I will be studying him closely would be by her own design that she would him free and in the world because she feels like she can take over if things get too intense. I have a counter theory. My theory and I wrote this down. Yesterday's Bernard is actually broken free for because he's being remotely controlled by Iraq. Yes sir he was able to find him and controlled him and use him to find. Dolores that could be it could be. We haven't really seen. Sarah Take Bernard into account at all but if if Chirac knew about dolores all and like how did he find out about the laws? We still don't exactly know how he has. That information could be through Bernard but I'm very nervous that the show is like messed with my head to the point that they're going to have this like big reveal and they're gonna it would be very westworld joe to to pull off another. Bernard identity crisis storyline right like the fact that like we had one in season. One where Oh my God Bernard's a host and then a couple episodes later? Oh my God Bernard is based on Arnold and then like to go a long stretch without like altering too much. There's the Ford stuff we've even seen it with. Bernard himself then right like we've seen with Bernard that he can wander around with Ford kicking in his head. So through Bernard. We have seen art experience having two different personalities at war within himself right. Tom Concerned with it. When Bernard when Bernardus face to face with connel's at the end of this episode Connell says something like I'm surprised you don't recognize your only friend in the World Ford. I thought it was Ford's brain ball. Yeah well if she's saying this to herself and she is her only friend in the world right so I'm concerned. I'm concerned that Bernard is another. Dolores I really you know it used to be that you would look around and you Buick. All characters on Westworld our hosts until proven otherwise. Now it's all characters on Westworld or Dolores until proven otherwise totally fair terrifying prospect. Seems like Caleb still doesn't quite know what deloris is all about like. I don't think he knows that she's robot. How's he gonNA react when he finds that out? I don't think he'll be surprised given her terminator skill striking grown men throwing them around killing I do have a theory that I don't know if I've mentioned this the previous three episodes but I think there is a tie that whether it whether or not the Sooner or later there's a tie between Caleb and Dolores. Dolores took the name of a dead girl. Kiev K. Now we found out from the mortician also took her blood. He have is inner location. Where I believe we've seen something similar in the background. In a flashback of Kayla what he was doing but seemed like a black ops mission under the military's control for insights control. I feel like this is all related. I think it's very likely and I think the Caleb would be the kind of person that maybe doesn't like completely know what he was chewing on back in those days. Yeah had like some information that could prove to be pretty useful. I also and I paused. So the flashbacks with Caleb Francis his old military partner and I got a shade of. I think they were more than just military pars got a romantic. Oh interesting connection. Because there's no establishment of any kind of sexuality on the show rarely it sort of fluid. Anyway whether you're a robot and I know people are probably ready for some kind of killing dealers romance but I think the Caleb has some fluidity I had. I just get suspicion that his connection to Francis was deeper than just military. I'm super here for that. I think yeah. I think that'd be great. Who knows what else from. This episode stood out to you anything. We haven't covered yet. Yes Iraq and his his upbringing. Obviously we're GONNA get more about their his brother. His brother survived. We don't know if he's working with him against him or they're even in touch or even relevant to know that a giant sea like Paris has been demolished. It looks like a nuclear. Something happened there. I don't have the time line in front of me but I know that there was that timeline line trailer and I think that they mentioned that. There was like a nuclear disaster and it seems like I don't. I don't speak French French. But it seemed like the trucks had what appeared to be a radiation symbol on it. It would it. Would it struck me as like. Some sort of nuclear catastrophe had had occurred in have to think about what other cities of the world's exist anymore? We've Seen San Francisco Los Angeles Singapore where else we've seen Singapore we see in La. I think I think maybe Doses in San Francisco. Yeah that's for Charlotte heels. Yes because when she got up for her apartment out of her Uber Mike. I've been to that building. Also Liam's boat ashore in Mexico. Is this goes still hanging in. Be Curious to see if certain parts of Europe and why and if it's relevant but it seems like we've talked to this. Everything is by design on this. Show everything everything being from. France is obviously. I think it's very smart to give us a little bit more about him. Like you were saying no. I loved that I thought that that was great and I loved. I just thought that that was. I thought that was great. I thought everything with Vincent Cassel. This week was really really good. I'm really excited to see what's coming up. More from him. The current plan again. I have not seen beyond this episode. I've only seen through episode four. I'm really to be fully back on the same page with you joe here and hopefully everyone was able to tolerate cagey wig for the past. Couple weeks I tried to do my best. I hope that I pulled it off but I am allegedly going to be speaking with Vincent Cassel sometime this week after. I get to see episode. Five Dat interview will post A. T. H. R. dot com slash Westworld. So so keep an eye out for that. I'm really excited to dig into that character with him. A little bit more actually pretty fun. I think where we are in the in the time line is it seems like this board meeting is going to happen real soon. I would expect. It's probably GonNa Happen. Pretty close to now ish right like this should be within an episode or two seeing how that plays out. My money is going to be on. Incite getting the win. I think that will make things more dramatic for the for the long term the season. We're only halfway through the season but seems like a lot but we are half way. We are now officially at the halfway Markelle. We are four out of eight episodes through westworld season three. So this train. It is chugging along Joe I know at a loss Liam 'cause it's kind of pathetic release insight care so little about him that no red flags are raised. His entire account is drained on the air parent is assigned one bodyguard. I just think I mean we're talking about a weak link and I'm glad that he is sort of in play again of and he's seen dolores that he'd seen his dead girlfriend. Because I like John Gallagher Junior. And he's playing the role so well like we don't know what he actually knows. Yep Yeah and so is it. GonNa help delores gets rock. I'll be curious so the next episode is called Genre. This week introduced genre as drug. So I think maybe we're going to go on a real trip next week potentially through Liam. Hey I love it and also maybe. That's what show Laura's put in Williams neck you never know. Yeah that's possible. Could be genre there. And maybe we could see Caleb on the drug to unlock some memories from him could be cool. Yeah does deloris utilize his drip. Does she know about the drip. She must have. She's doing offer insight research. I would think so too. Uh just to go back to your. Bernard theory as half Charlotte. I mean Half Dolores. Half Bernard I don't know much more for Norris. Chucks younger brother see. It spits Monday people so and that's a whole nother year since the last episode but added that when he went back to West Railway. Didn't every single thing that Bernard did. But maybe if there was delores in his brain ball he was gathering more Intel on former insight people who visited the park. Yeah like latently by accident like being there just like day to day to day to day to day to day to day to data. That's me I love my I love made and I think that is just phenomenal. Which she's walking through Singapore. I forgot that. She has a Mesh Network but she controls electricity and technology and just her power so Egypt language. It's a real indictment on us that like we're all of our things in the future we're building to be controllable by by smarter. Ai which is only good for gun control if can actually search just saying out against that. And it's so interesting because she has such a different but it almost a stronger power than dolores in terms of if she can communicate with technology and she does go one-on-one Dolores that could really work for her. Yeah Oh my God. I can't wait but now but what is one on one against deloris anymore. Relegate the teaser trailers you know they're misguided they can be working together for all we know but it looks like Liliana Bridge. It's like it's the Western one as a sort of one has just. She's basically you know an old tool robot and it looks like delivers but it's Away not or Joe. What it is is it's dolores versus Maeve. And then the three other dwarfs as pop out now maeve has to fight you know four. Dolores is at. What like the Matrix? When neo fights all those different agents said the agents Smith and Hey Vincent was that too. That's right that's correct. I forgot that my gosh so good. I haven't seen the matrix in a long time. It's the revisit the first two especially. Yeah all right. Well maybe in time for Matrix. Four area go which. I am looking forward to all right. Joe Crazy stuff on westworld this week genre coming up next week. Fine Joe on the twitter. She's at Joe opinionated opinionated with a J. In front of it. She's also doing some fun stuff at joke in united on Instagram as well how the instagram show has gone to Joe. They're fun they're random. They're like Fridays Wednesdays. Mondays whatever whatever people have time follow Joe? Yeah you'll get the alert exactly if entering a bunch of different people from different industries most from an entertainment industry but voiceover animation musicians actors. Just because everyone else time and we're talking about pop culture and positively because you don't get enough highlight about that right now. You're sure absolutely so so check out everything. Joe's doing with all that everything we've got going on here on post show recaps westworld. Podcast is still going on. Better Call Saul with Antonio's aren myself still going strong. Everything is super are marvel. Cinematic Universe rewatch ironman shelby dropping. This week so get ready for that. The loss podcast down the hatch continues to the Hunting Party. Joe So we're going to put our feet on some furniture that doesn't belong to us and really draw. The ire of Mr Friendly and also just lease just wrapped are walking dead. Podcast coverage tragically prematurely as season. Finale is unable to be completed post production issues. The plus side to that is that it means Jessen I can hop on our next show a little sooner. We're covering killing heave on posted recaps season three premiering April twelfth in Jessica lease and I are going to be talking about killing me. Oh my God I love it. I should've berry big binge of it and it was like one of the easiest binges of my life. It's so delightful and so dark arts great. It's excellent it's I think it's going to be a good a really good podcast great. I'm really looking forward to it. All right so tons of stuff happening at push a recaps as the point you can get all the updates on that by subscribing to the main feed wherever you get your podcasts or you can follow me on twitter at Ron Howard. 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Ep. 159: Dolores Huerta On Activism, Feminism, And Resilience

Happier in Hollywood

28:51 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 159: Dolores Huerta On Activism, Feminism, And Resilience

"So I think I officially have as many collared bright colored shirts as I need for any amount of zoom meetings night category of quarantine. Shopping is yes. I think it's going to be summer activities for Jack. Hi and welcome to happier in Hollywood. The podcast about how to be Happier Healthier. Saner more creative more successful and more productive in a backbiting superficial chaotic unpredictable. Fundamentally Insane World I'm Sarah Fain TV writer and producer living in L. A. And with me is my high school friend and Writing Partner. Liz. That's me Liz. Craft on this podcast. We talk about being writers in Hollywood how we balance career and friendship and how to survive the war of attrition. That is the life in Los Angeles. In this episode. We're going to talk to well an icon. There's no other way to describe her. Dolores Huerta who's rallying crises Safeway was the source for Barack Obama's two thousand eight. Yes we can. Campaign slogan is going to talk to us about activism civil rights and resilience and we have a Hollywood hack that were stealing from Kate. Bowler host of the PODCAST. Everything happens and she's in the project family now so it feels okay to steal one of her brilliant insights. I and update okay. Sarah you mentioned in the last episode that you did this insane. Rv trip you inviolate packed up a week's worth of food and drove to Missouri to pick up your step mom Anna who amazingly agreed to come to La and give you some adult backup. Yes and if you have to travel and RV is definitely the way to do it right now. But I wanted to take a minute after this trip to just give a shout out to the people who made our trip bearable truckers. Okay so truckers are getting a lot of well deserved credit right now for what they do. If you look around your house probably a lot of the stuff you have got there because of truckers. But I want to talk about how they do it. Okay so I drove thirty five hundred miles by myself in an RV and it was grueling. But I am telling you all of the truckers on the road. They made it so much easier. They are so good at what they do like. I had no idea. I think we kind of as normal car drivers on a normal day or like. Oh this truck is in the way and Blah Blah Blah. Yes okay right now. Most people are not driving so the truckers the roads and they are so professional. I couldn't even believe it the entire trip I was blown away. They drive on the right. They pass on the left. They go the speed that works for them. They're not jerks about. Who's in front and who's behind and they let cars like win. There were cars that were being jerky on the road. They just got over. Let the cars go by. It was Amazing to see what incredible drivers what professional drivers they are so Sarah big shoutout and gold star all the truckers on the road between La Missouri. Yes exactly and so much respect. Oh my God coming up we talk to Dolores Puerta. I is getting in shape. Doesn't have to be about losing a specific amount of weight or a magic number on the scale it's about building healthier habits and feeling better about yourself. Neum is the habit changing solution that helps users learn to develop new relationship with food to personalized courses. Neum has one of the biggest and most accurate food databases available that lets you track meal habits visualize portion sizes and see calorie density at a glance and it's got all sorts of other tools yet for me right now. Neum step counter is really helping boost my mood because we're all having a hard time kind of getting all those steps in but no with new Mike and look at that counter know how many more steps I need to get in a day. And it really. It helps motivate me and then I feel so good once I've gotten there you don't have to change it all in one day. Small steps make big progress. Sign up for your trial today at noon and Om dot com slash. Hollywood what do you have to lose? Visit NEUM DOT COM SLASH. Hollywood to start your trial today. That's an M dot com slash. Hollywood okay Sarah. It is time for from the treadmill desks of which we discuss. What's the most pressing in our work psyches and this week it's resilience and we are so fortunate to be having this discussion with the iconic. Labor leader and civil rights activists. Dolores Huerta to Laura swear to is the founder and president the Dolores Huerta Foundation Co founder of the United Farm workers. Dolores changed history when she teamed up with Cesar Chavez in nineteen sixty two to form the national farmworkers association although the mission seemed impossible deloris lead farm workers in a long and grueling battle to get rights including fair wages and safe working conditions. She's received too many awards to name including the Presidential Medal of freedom. The highest civilian award in the United States bestowed her by President Obama in twenty twelve on top of all. This deloris is the mother of eleven children. Dolores still works tirelessly to provide organizing training and resources to rural low income communities on May thirtieth the Dolores Huerta Foundation will celebrate Dolores ninetieth birthday with a multimedia event. The list of guests include Joe and Jill Biden Jane Fonda Gorriak Ferrera and so many more we will link to the information about the celebration in our show notes for this episode at Happier in Hollywood Dot Com all proceeds benefit communities impacted by covid nineteen delivers. Thank you so much for joining us. Pleasure welcome so. We watched a clip of President Obama. Giving you the Presidential Medal of freedom and he seemed quite intimidated. I believe his words were. Dolores does not play so we're going to try not to waste your time. It's an honor to have you here. It sure is so deloris. At the time you started your work the idea that a woman would be a powerful. Labor leader was unheard of even now many historians believe. You're not giving nearly the credit you deserve and we agree or question is when you look at the world now. How much better do you think it is for women? And what do you think we should be doing differently? That is great question. Laura think about this at nineteen crisis that we're going to and we see that in the countries that have women leaders like Germany. The people that have been so much better protected than we have been in the United States. Where we have a really chauvinist. President that really does not respect women in any way shape or form even continuing to attack the governor of Michigan colleague. That woman instead of the Governor of Michigan is the way he continuously attacked women especially women leaders like Elizabeth Warren Hillary Clinton and we can go on and on then we have to think and we have to reflect and think. Yeah we have come a long way but oh my gosh you know. The Big Glassy. Lean is still very very strong that glass-walled that really prevent women from being able to move up the ladder that they're still there and they have to be shattered so we have so much to do and this all important because we know that we the women are going to be deleted of the world and we have to start really educating I on growth on how leaders not to be afraid. That be intimidated. I love the educate them to be leaders. That is the key dealers. We talk about resilience a lot on this podcast and you embody resilience along with grit determination. Faith after so many years of pushing the boulder uphill to you keep going because we have to look at all the accomplishments and one good thing about night and being ninety fills is that I can look back and remember when we had not as many women in colleges when we know that maybe in many of universities that we have over fifty percent. Those students of women in professions like attorneys and doctors and many other. The number of women have increased in those professions that Congress today and see how many more women we have at their state legislatures and within see that women are advancing so that really gives us a lot of hope and when we think of all of the discriminations and misogyny that still suffering we have to kind of look at the bright side and say we are making it with getting there if we look at the Credible marches that we had around the me too movement and we see that women are standing up and especially the young women that are in leadership there on issues of gun violence on climate change and I was just on a on a Webinar with about our state legislature bills going through our sacramental legislature here in California and to see that the majority of the people reporting and working on different progressive legislation gets what the majority when reduced with the immigrant and the farmer community. And when we looked at leaders we just had again. We had a film called many of our leaders we had over fifty people representing all of our different chapters. We have and guess what ninety nine percent were. Women Wow you sacrificed so much in your fight for labor laws for civil rights for women you even. During a protest of then presidential candidate George Bush senior were beaten by a police officer. To the point that your family didn't know if you'd survive you touched on sort of the current state of things we imagine it's gotta be really disheartening to see the current president Vilnai's Mexicans and other immigrants. How do you maintain your face in the face of just so much hate? Sometimes it feels like we've got nowhere both sometimes things a lot worse before they get better and I think many of the issues that we're discussing right now we're kind of you might say not really visible them. And now with our current administration they have been made very very visible and sometimes things have to be so visible that then we can start talking about them before people were reluctant to talk about race. I remember Gloria Steinem. Many many years ago back in the eighties raise the issue of domestic violence. And remember the hush everybody in the room look at each other and said what is she doing talking abundant domestic violence in this really close e group of leaders and now we know that. This is a topic that you can talk about. Racism is a topic you can talk about because we really see it very visibly and then we see them infestations of racism like somebody traveling several hundred miles to kill Mexicans in El Paso or to kill Jews in Jersey to kill Muslims to kill people because African American then we can see the manifestations of racism and how horribly Cooley are and the people of Color. We know it's always been there. The way resources attributed the number of people of color that we have in our prison system including by the way something. We hardly ever talk about it about the number of women that are not being incarcerated. Our hope criminal justice system how it affects women and people of color unless these issues really made so. I'm kind of playing the web. We really kind of describes the horror of these issues and how they affect people. Then really don't do anything to address them then now they're out there and there's people and we know. Hey it's time to do something this what I love is it. You're clearly an optimist. No matter what comes your way. That's very inspirational dealers. I read an article this morning. About how white parents in particular need to talk to their kids about race right now. You have eleven children. I have a seven year old daughter. Do you have any thoughts on how to open up those conversations with kids? I have a very simple way that we can solve racism. Like there's two things that we have to do and especially when we talked to children because children as we know are not born racist. They are made racist by their parents or the culture that they happen to go up and with really simple way to end racism to remind everybody and this is science is that we are all Africans because the human race began in Africa. Went across the planet went to Europe. The climate is a lot colder people. I like to say people kind of lost their colors. Just go to the salon to the beach to get their color back then in our DNA. We all are applicants and remember that we are one human race. We are all Africans of different shades and colors and so then we discriminate against somebody. Just because what difference does the color of the skin color is there? Is that hair actually? We're discriminating I favor relative. We are all related and when I say this schools and especially when I speak to the little kids I remember once in Los Angeles and a very high end schools. The children there a private school. Most children go. There are the Simpson daughters many of the celebrities. And when I said to them you are all related. To Children's stood up ran towards each other and hugged. Each other was spontaneous. It was so beautiful and I think that the other way we can get rid of. Racism is to just include this knowledge of science into our our school system starting again with pre K. And children about how we are all the latest in at the same time we can talked about how men and women are equal and that women should not be discriminated start with signing with our girls to give them self confidence that they need starting with our young little boys and to get them to respect women who that early early age doors. I have a question sort of for our own benefit Sarah television writers which means we're in a union. The writers guild of America are members often radically disagree. And we know you and Cesar Chavez dealt with a lot of conflicts. How do you think a union can succeed despite that internal discord? Well I think we have to keep our eye on the prize end assessor and my disagreement often based on what I call the feminist point of view in the male chauvinist point of view. And I can give you really really quick example when I was doing great in New York then on the West Coast also. I started out with a little stores and I got the independence to take off the grapes and then I went to the smaller chain stores and then I went to the bigger chain stores into. We got all that stores that the graves out Caesar took on the biggest chain stores in California Safeway at the we had already cleaned up the East Coast. Chicago to New York them of state than all the way down to Florida. We cleaned out all of the great for the stores. Using that tactic. Here on the West Coast season decided to take on the biggest chain and I consider that the difference is gene. Wait a woman thinks in the way things does that make sense absolutely and of course it goes to why we think women as we started the conversation with why we need more women leaders doing things the way women do them that. I think one thing that hosts women back is it often. We buy. Hold ourselves back because We are offering to. We don't want to create conflict and so we give in and we don't really fight for our ideas as often in the strongest. We should also to organize other people to supporters. So that we're not out there. Just you know being the lone ranger but we have somebody with us when we're trying to get ideas approved and process and you have spent your entire life doing that. Can you tell us about the work that you're doing now? We have so much going on right now. Of course we're in the middle of the endemic. We are working to set of foodbanks for many of the immigrants especially the farm workers. Farmers are essential workers often do not get mentioned in the friendly talk about essential workers but there were working there every day. You have couples and so of one of the parents have to stay home with the kids. The kids are also not in school and so they're suffering a loss of half of their income and often the food banks are open in the mornings or the workers are still at work so we have to set up put bags and evening so that they can actually get through. In the evening. We've postured several hundred families to get some of the income relief that is being given up in the different areas partnering with the United Way and other organizations we are helping with. The children are home at school to get them school books and supplies and things that they needed. We had to fight to make sure that the kids were able to get food during the Easter break in elementary school area. Because they were going to stop giving out the school lunches in school breakfast during that period of time we're working on the census that we've been doing that diligently we started in. July of last year in our hearts account communities we've got a huge education program in trying to stop the school to prison pipeline. We have an amazing education director. They Mississippi the castle we deny and parents and communities to make recommendations of the a different school districts were active in about fourteen. Different School districts we have in California. A great program called the Little Control Funding Formula School districts that given the money directed by the states but as part of that they have to take conditions from the parents and students in the community for improvements. We had we used program also active in different areas. We have nine different chapters about organization and growing so. We have so much probably working. Al I think I know the answer to this question. We're wondering if your work is still as all consuming per you as it was when you were younger or if you can never relax now and all I really can't and in fact. I do a lot of public speaking of questions. Dobbin changed to virtual to virtual speaking that just this morning. I did a couple of graduation. Zoom for people and other remarks for the organization. So you'll know we're busy on many many great things that we have stab comey let. My daughter is our director and she keeps all wheels turning. We've gotTA LIE staff actually. We're up to about forty full time staff and we have also twenty part time staff and actually just before nineteen. We had a hundred twenty five time staff working on the census going door to door talking to people reminding them. Light was apartment get counted because everybody's gets counted rings in two thousand five hundred dollars with their families and for the communities and of course conquer representation so we're doing a lot of phone banking on the census. We could lease can do the door to door trying to their people get counted to make people are played because of all of the checks on Latino immigrant community that came from the administration so we actually joined other groups and we sued Mexican American Legal Defense Fund and I believe. Acl You were able to beat the trump administration so that there would be citizens of question on the census. Wow delores you have accomplished an unbelievable amount in your ninety years when you take a step back and look at your life. What makes you happy? Mostly happy is to see all of the people that are two days for women and young women. We can't forget the raging grannies like myself and it's still out there doing a lot of work that makes me just feel really happy because as an organizer in an activist. I think the one thing that brings me a lot of joy is when I say so. Many people that are becoming activist and it was in some house. Invert every person to become an activist whatever measure of activism that. They want to participate in. I think this is the way that we preserve our democracy. This shirts that many of the issues in an equality can be really improved and finally we can solve so many of the problems that we have and even found and I do have to so this in here problems of resources in the amount of money that we spend more for instance and I loved it close Scott King who said we will never have peace in the world until women take power we will never have peace in the world and so limited power but I have amended that statement. Just say we will never have peace some world until feminist dollars because we know that there are a lot of these lobbed. Yes that are men that also feminist and we have a lot of women out there. Unfortunately that are not sensitive so we have to continue the organizing until into have everybody become a feminist and stand up for the rights to emigrants and poor people. I'll be teaching unity type for climate change and labored live for unionized and they still have a lot of work to do. Anyway that is my passion is to just keep on organizing people and getting people involved in the leadership growth in people were never thought they could be activism. Couldn't make any kind of change but once I think people understand that they do have the power to make changes that is how we can create a better world for everybody. Yes absolutely dolores. We want to wish you a wonderful ninetieth birthday and thank you for your continuing work your tireless and we appreciate that and thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you very much for having me on yourself. We WanNA remind everyone to go to our website or to Dolores Dot Org to learn more about the online events celebrating. Dolores ninetieth birthday. It will be an amazing evening featuring artists and activists and all go to communities impacted by Cova Nineteen also the Dolores Huerta Foundation has a partnership with the little market. You can buy a lovely candle and half of the proceeds will go to D. H. We will link to that in the show notes as well coming up a Hollywood hat that will help you stress less but I this break. Life is full of tough choices and trade offs. Your beauty routine what you put on your body. Every day shouldn't be one of them. Well I am safer at home. Sarah have been focusing on my skin. Carer and true botanical 's is so great. I have been loving missing myself with their renew nutrient missed and then putting on my renew pure radiance oil. They even have a video about how to feather it on correctly. It's very moisturizing. Filled with natural and organic ingredients true botanical skin and body products. Give you results without toxins. So you can feel good. While working from home. Troubadours products can be calming during these stressful times and are delivered straight to your door. You've just gotTa try true botanical self. Get fifteen percent off your first purchase. A true botanical dot com slash. Hollywood that's fifteen percent off your first purchase at true panicles DOT COM SLASH. Hollywood true botanical hs dot com slash. Hollywood it's time for this week's Hollywood hack which comes from Kate Buhler. Podcast everything happens. Yes Gretchen and I talked to Kate. Episode to seventy three of happier and she had an idea for coping with uncertainty during this time of a global pandemic that really resonated with me. She said that she evaluates the situation every two weeks. So that's the hack evaluate the situation every two weeks and act accordingly and don't worry in between so if you're wondering am I going to go to the grocery store or only get my groceries delivered. Am I going to have socially distance play dates or not all those questions that were all dealing with? Kate thinks about every two weeks looks at all. The information makes choice. And then just doesn't worry about it for two weeks and I love this idea because I find myself. Just like torturing myself over these questions and it's raining right like when. Are you going to go to a restaurant? Yeah exactly and if you don't have to think about it for two weeks you can just release it. Yes and then in two weeks you see. Okay where are we? What are the doctor saying? What are the statistics? And you make choice based on where you are then so that is the hack to worry about where you are every two weeks make decisions accordingly and don't worry about it in between love it and that is it for this episode of Happier in Hollywood for questions or comments. Email US or send US voice memo to happier in Hollywood at G. Mail DOT COM. Thanks for listening. Please subscribe if you haven't already thank you to the incredible Dolores Huerta for joining us today. Go to Dolores Huerta Dot Org for more information about her ninetieth birthday celebration or you can find the information at happier in Hollywood dot com. Also you can follow Dolores on Instagram at Dolores. Huerta thank you our executive producer the amazing Chuck Reed and everyone at Saint Cola style. You can follow them on Instagram at San Colas. Thanks to everyone at cadence thirteen. And as always thank you to Gretchen Rubin. Happier in Hollywood is part of the honored project was into the other onward project. Podcasts happier with crushing Rubin side Hustles School. Do the thing withhold Thirties Melissa urban. And everything happens. Get in touch. I'm on instagram. At S Fain and Liz is atlas craft. We also have a facebook group search for happier in Hollywood on facebook to join in on the conversation until next week. I'm Liz Craft and I'm Sarah Fan. Thanks for joining us. It's a fun job and we enjoy. Oh My god Sarah Lawrence is just amazing. Yeah she's incredible and talking to her. I remembered she talked about the great boycott which ended actually before we were born. But I remember my mom. You know the staunch feminist activists that was my mother. When I was a kid she was really finicky. About like what grapes? She would buy and what grapes. She wouldn't buy and I didn't understand it until now as we've been talking to Laura's I suddenly realize like Oh my God that was like my mom being an activist that's awesome. I know From the onward project.

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Jamie-Lynn Sigler & Dolores Catania

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

25:15 min | 1 year ago

Jamie-Lynn Sigler & Dolores Catania

"Welcome to the Bravo clubhouse for the podcast edition of Watch. What happens live with me? Andy Cohen uh since playing that Sopranos. She's now full grown and she called jockey dog with a bone. It's watch what Jamie Lynn Sigler and Dolores Catania. Now I'm your host. Andy Cohen live in the Bravo clubhouse with one guest who prides herself on loyalty and another prides herself on being a loyal housewives. Advised van set her breakout role as a mafia bosses daughter on the Sopranos. And she's keeping it in the family with their new movie mob town in theaters on. VOD digital Friday. Hi De please welcome back our friend. Jamie Lynn Sigler Great. She says every strong man is a stronger Jersey girl. Please welcome real housewives of Jersey Dolores Catania you know we call you dolo behind the scenes. I have heard yes. It's great to see you in your all caught up on Jersey. I'll cut up. I just feel like every time I'm here all my like effort vert that I put into watching Bravo like I don bar tonight. It's a strong Jersey boy say hi to Dolores. Assan franken started Jamie. Our friend Raza from Shahs of sunset. Sold you your house in twenty thirteen. Steve I walked into an open house. I heard this voice be like he's like if you need some help and I was like I know this voice. I the kitchen. Who was Broza? How how he and? I just couldn't believe that he actually did worked in state and he was wonderful to deal with. You bought the high dot that house by the way it was the house. That lily looked at his two small really. Oh that's hilarious illegally. Chat Fame at dinner. The women at dinner tonight the women may have had a prefix meal but that didn't stop Jennifer from serving up little. Rose take a look. You're so cute I just got done working all l.. 'cause I want my asked home. Got Two degrees smarter WHOL DOT. TV for four. I ball all that I want to know on a scale of one to ten. How good is Jennifer at impersonations? Now what did you think how eight you did. She did really awhile and she fully committed yes she did which is half the battle. Thought she was good. I thought she was crying. You guys are giving her a six at home. Our writes tough crowd. Everyone on the conversation. Move to Mardi and Danielle's relationship and it looked like someone's ears were ringing. Take a look and in yellow. Marty Margaret Danielle is spreading rumors. That you and I don't believe that now. Are You mad at me that I told the girls. She Hung Up. Why I a WHO gives with each other and cannot believe a word she said he whol Doc? TV WE WANNA know. Do you believe that Mardian Danielle hooked up. Yes or no yes. Tell us you believe they did thousand percent I think they have a love for the ages is and I enjoy it and you think they did you all they did hook up. Okay all right in next week's Dallas Finale Leeann is finally confronted for her vile disgusting slurs against Mexicans Take a look the Mexican derogatory names to my face. I grew up with the Mexican family all my other. We go no there you go. She's saying how in today's climate and you can't say today's climate. You shouldn't say that your husband she don't have evidence. I don't care the Mexican slept with plenty of Mexicans by the way some lovers okay. Julio Iglesias Julio Iglesias of course is disadvantage when that out were Union for ninety minutes we talked about this And you will see see all of it. Unfortunately your questions for Jamie. Lynn and Dolores are coming in but before we get to those. Here's what three things I am. Obsessed with tonight I after feuding throughout the entire Jamaica trip dolores and Jackie finally called a truce tonight. Thanks to an unexpected source of information. Inspiration for Asian Jennifer's Roast Watch. She just doesn't consider you like you. Don't consider me a friend. Let me explain what I just wanted to. Let's get on my nerves here that somebody doesn't like me clydes I was raised differently. Felt like a judgment. Listen it's just from a different club you make you thank you know. That's why we're not fries. Don't consider it a loss the Laura. Okay Jackie Jackie. Thanks for said that I didn't you mean like I mean I think a lot of nasty things or said this week by both of us. I don't think we need to keep rehashing. It has been a little bit harsh. All right number one question for you. That we got tonight was the key to thirty four said. Why is it easy for you to get along with Sigi but not Jackie? Considering they had similar upbringings I mean. Is this a Jewish thing now. I don't see that they had similar upbringings at all. It's not a Jewish thing. It's not at all by the way. Franks half Jewish so I love Jewish people but no it was more like Jaggi seemed to be cuddled. Singing was raised a little bit tougher than that. And and I and like Jacky very much I just have to get used to. She might get offended by things that are said that aren't meant in the way that they are okay. Well here's what if a relationship requires commitments. Two People Dolores is in lock because hers has a third person. Who's just as invested her ex-husband? Frank Tonight Frank. Met Up with her boyfriend. David Watch watch this and we gotTa Paul Coming Up and frank is here to make it more awkward Iraq. Once we got the house things would be a lot clearer cushioning disappointed. There's no commitment. Or what do you think David wants to be with me okay. I don't care breath what anybody says. I'm very very content. You say so. I don't feel too optimistic that David indoors or on the same page divorced. I doesn't push the issue David to sit in the middle of the fans. All right time devoted our next poll at W. W. H. Dot TV is frank right about David. It yes or no Jamie Lynn. Sigler what do you think all the parties are here. I appreciate Franks Lor Ninety three percent say at this point the transparency. Okay you Franks transparency. Thinks he used to be on your show you what. What was your reaction by the way to what frank had to say? When you weren't there I appreciate that I mean we're very close and I know in my life the people that are very close to me? I don't mind them jumping in when they feel they need to. But I got it frank. All right very good second on next week's Jersey Theresa and G are or getting ready for Easter. But here's what there is no time for celebration with Joe Away. Watch this just so sad just thinking about if we didn't have this immigration problem like daddy would have been home for this eastern. He called me five times yesterday. He can't live with it. He blamed me yesterday. You said why didn't I make make him in American citizen. He's going crazy you you blame him. No My dad stuck in a two by two with five people. What the Hell do you need to think about him? Now said on listen. I'm okay with you letting go I don't know if I'm ready to let them go. Okay so sad I next week's episode is really really Touching and sad finally Jamie Amy Lynn's career has made her well versed in the issues surrounding powerful families and it turns out. She's an expert when it comes to the drama within familiar daybreak vo two take time to spill the Bravo Liberty. Okay Jamie Margaret said. That Theresa only likes young rum and doesn't like jail Bait Harmless Joker ochre you think she was singing a shot at tree complete shot. Okay Jennifer's rose to the women. How would you feel if a friend personnel that you in front of a group? I would love to see how how people perceive me Dolores staying. BFF's with her ex husband. Frank do you think remaining friends with an ax is healthy or too close for comfort reminded judged they seem so happy I love it onto OTC Vicki's engaged to Steve Lodge. You'd think he truly wanted to get married or did he feel pressure to propose the guy that gets pressured. Sure Kelly Dodd taking an anger management class. Is there hope she can tamer temp perm. I hope not for my viewers off thoughts on Shannon finding out TAMRA talks binder back. That was a rough one to watch. How do you feel about sheen treating emily so poorly on camera? All of that Thoughts it's on Braun when lactating at the dinner table in mirror of all. How would you feel if a friend did that? A At a group Meal Bronwyn confuses me I'd be so upset opt-outs on Bethany Bethany leaving New York Housewives Tinsley and Scott are engaged will at last who cares. She got proposed him. Thank you very much by the Bard sources. Little boy is not so little frankie junior a Frankie Junior. Well first of all Michael Rapaport tweeted. He said I love seeing Frankie guns junior with Dolores on his show and his Netflix show. We went it was comedy show. You did Great Beach Lover. One eighty nine wants to know if frankie and Jia are dating while I can tell you this I took her to prom coming up. So it right. WE'RE GONNA keep watching for that Jamie Keith be texted. What was lady Gaga like on the set of the Sopranos prying to her make make prior to her making it? Were you there for her. Seen do you even remember. No I wasn't fair for her scene but Robert I lyrically. My brother grew up with her. Like newer from real like Manhattan like living in the upper east side. She got cast on the show. No I don't think it was her and Perez Hilton that were together in the scene. That's right for for both of you. Mallory Jay wants to know what you make of Theresa Calling Out Caroline Manzo as the rat got her and Joe Mixed up with the authorities. Delors I don't think I've had you on since that are Dr Caroline would ever do. And what was your reaction when you saw it on the show I was like. Oh she here comes world war to speak to caroline. What about it? I did very angry. Yes she was us all right. Let's go to Sharon from Key West. Sharon what your question. Hey Andy I'm going to invite you anderson down for New Year's Eve again we'll be there. We will be live from key west among a bunch of other places. You're not gonNA believe our got some New Year's Eve it's going to be because I hate you freezing there. I know we're going to be in New York freezing our balls off but another showing anyway. What's your question uh-huh okay? So I have something for Dolores but real quick Andy I just want to ask about you and Bravo's standing behind liens. Racial Slurs and Kelly Dodds. What's physical violence is so not cool but anyway that's for another matter? Well I don't know if it standing behind. We broke down the racial slurs for a very long time. I'm at the reunion and you'll see all of that. So we're just airing what happened while we were shooting the show right now. But what. Your question acts so bad okay for Dolores so dolores your love your amazing and I just wondered because you have such a great relationship with Frank. WHO's sitting there? What if JOE and Teresa? We're really really done. What would you think if Theresa and frank got together? They seem how I mean. I don't see that now craig kids around like about juicy dude and Frank Frank is definitely her type and he is definitely. She is definitely his anti Dan. It could happen. You don't do that with friends. What if it's all cool? I guess it's not cool the answer. That's just figured out. It would not be cool all right frank. Okay let's go to Sara from Chicago for Jamie Lynn Sara. What's your question? Hey Hey so looking back on the series finale the Sopranos is there anything you would change about it. No you would change about. No the finale. No not not at all I think ended perfectly. I think that whether he died or not people would've been upset or not satisfied so I think it left it for everyone to have their own perfect ending for Tony. Soprano Jim from Pennsylvania. Hey Ken what's your question. Hi Andy my question is for deloris Has Theresa Gotten upset with you or offended with you. About any of your confessed confessionals this season. Oh Yeah you've said you didn't think she should be building a pool. You've been opinionated. No it's coming from a good place I'd know if she was upset and she hasn't been right all right it's game game time such big fans of each other's work I thought it would be fitting to challenge their knowledge of each other's material. It's time into play to JV Lynn. And Dolores Frank Junior is gonna read off lines that are either from the Sopranos of the Jersey outside source. I line here. We go if you can quote the rules and you can obey them. Sopranos Tony Soprano Soprano. When you find him I want him to suffer? You hear me. I want that mother effort in agony soprano. I'm not good by a Threat House Jersey. That was a good life. Dan Yellow do it do it. RAGE ON F S. I'll I know I was here for that. I team that was Jackley. All due respect you got no idea what it's like to be number one. Oh that's Sopranos Sopranos Jamie us. You know okay last one. If you throw some that me you're leaving in handcuffs and going back where you were Jersey. That's right thank you both got watching other type. Bravo ugly Christmas Christmas sweater. Can I ask you another sopranos question. F texted. Who Do you think died too soon on the show? Oh Jackie Junior. I was so sad. I love their little love story and I felt bad angel. H facebook deloris Laurus wide. Sigi follow you on social media. I'm I don't know I don't like I have no idea. Youtube were writer. Dai Yeah Yeah we were. Do you think she changed since since the show ended. Maybe it was an accident. I don't know accidents. We have accidents. Evelyn wants to know. If you've I've been in contact with Ramona's and squashing your beef at Bravo con now. See her next week. Wow like we have an event together me in my Ramona. Like I can't have you heard anything about the Sopranos Prequel that's happening not a part of it But I've heard some stuff about is going to be pretty amazing. Wow Yeah I can't wait to see it. I can't wait to see where you watch. Of course of course course all right okay. Good I mean unless payers like a vendor pump rose reunion American. That's all right. Tonight's shackle goes to. Dolores is boyfriend David for hanging up on her tonight's episode. Aw because you know when. He called her back she answered and she said Scumbag Laura's to say that you ever say that no man that's a you a lot worse than All right very good I wanNA thank Dolores Jamie. Roi All right. We're still talking Jamie Lynn's movie mob town hall Friday. It's so interesting around here with Dolores and Frankie Junior and frank regard interesting because you are not a daughter in this established woman being the other side of you in a similar mill. You right exactly. It was so much fun to play to play like a ferocious boss like mob wife. She celebrated she was like this was like her. She was so excited about his opportunity to bump up and all in love. It's that should. They would do anything in the fifties is so fun yes all right. Let's go to Joe from Long Island. Joe What your question Andy. Jamie Lynn. Delaware's happy holidays big fat. Joe Has ASD miss you to Dolores Miss you too but my questions for Jamie Lynn. Jamie love you on the Sopranos. What's one? Great piece of advice. That James Gandolfini gave you that you're able to take your career us on mop down one of the most special ones. He told me whenever I go into an audition or meeting to remember that. It's my time not their time to own that time to feel confident that they are lucky that I'm there in front of them for whatever two minutes it's ten minutes however he just taught me to have a lot of confidence in myself In general that's great really. Thank you Joe. The Laura is making sure frank listening to this all right joy from auto. Hey joy how you doing and you know doing with many blessings joy I ladies my. I'm curious can you do your best fast. GENESEE nation. Oh can you do an impersonation of Jennifer. I cannot all right Michelle. Bush turned on this show last week. ooh Oh boy lot of Tequila. Let's go to Michelle from Brooklyn Amos. Shell which question. Hi Hi Abby Wind Andrea. Do you know I've only been doing for two years but I don't think all the lights on the minority behind the ladies are supposed to be lit more for decoration. You're right but then they would none of them be let so we just we got him lit. What can I tell you you're right? Hi Jamie I I. I'm still scarred but in Scottsdale Episode Watch what happens live with you on with Scottsdale. Hold on we'll Melissa Asher question and then we're GonNa talk about done okay. So my question is besides divorce at meadow. Soprano was on the New Jersey housewife. Who would she be friends with blooming? Obviously delory besides deloris. I think she'd have some fun with Melissa. I think she would. I think she would enjoy all of them. I really do. I think she would be like door by the way Teresa told me to tell you she was so excited. She was actually fleet jealous that I heard that reaction from arrival. Wow Bravo. Liberties are like I say this also make those are my celebrities. Those are my people I get like nervous about and excited about so. That's so cool. Okay so you were on was the last time you were here. Yes it was drama adviser. We love you and I stayed and we talked and we talked. He left real mad at rounds wife. started drawing at me real mad because she didn't like the tone of the Games we were playing. We played a game called with Andy Loves Chachi instead of Chachi yes so that he had to guess. Famous crotches is and some of them were his ex-girlfriend Manelli. Excuse me from Ronnie five years. I mean this has got bailed the fifth Mrs Scott Bail WPRO is freaking out about. It was needed. She was pissed and I had to do that with you. tweeting she blocked walked me. I mean it was all big but the crazy thing is I had been so excited about him coming on the show because I was such a fan of his growing up it. It didn't go the way any of US bomber. Yeah wow you're the collateral damage I was. I was there for it. All Kill Lucky Nice that was an iconic show. It was clearly yes all right. Let's go to Melissa from Philadelphia. Hey Melissa High Andes hi ladies. Everyone looks absolutely beautiful. And my question is for deloris tonight I heard from someone that you engage have broken up. Can you confirm or deny this. I can confirm we have not okay. Good yeah he's actually home. Watching right now was unhappy that I made him the Jack Hall but it was all a high frank middle finger emojis. All right. Let's go to Jacqui from Manhattan. Jackie what your question i. My question shouldn't Delores. I know that it was already touched upon a little bit before. But I was just wondering. Why the Lord's you were so lenient on Thank thank you for being so overdramatic about some things. But you're really like cutting jockey kind of short over being dramatic about stuff does kind of make sense. I think it's it's a Isolated incident with Jackie. That I was just really tired and I I didn't. I knew once Jennifer mentioned it the way she did like. Oh this is not your friend. It it shouldn't have said that way and I knew what I was in for. I also the another difference is that you were actually like very very close friends with Jennifer's more. I mean I'm sorry Jackie I'm I'm still getting to know Jackie. We actually do like each other. Believe it or not and we. I did apologize. which is to her for that so just watch? Just watch the HAMPTONS suits. Yes yes yes all right. I want to thank Jamie Lynn watcher movie mob town in theaters. And Frankie Frankie Sir. Thanks for listening to the PODCAST. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. Remember new episodes go live Monday through Friday at four. PM Eastern time. Make sure you're subscribed right rusty your knife.

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Heroines Week Dolores Huerta (3-5-2020)

Chompers

03:03 min | 1 year ago

Heroines Week Dolores Huerta (3-5-2020)

"Rise and shine it's time for Ciampi's tonight to rushing show surp- rushing on the top of your mouth on one side and brushing little circles each. It's heroines week. Where every day we tell you the story of Roic woman from history. Today's heroic woman is Dolores Huerta. Who helped farmworkers be treated fairly by the people they work for Lou? The Laura sweater grew up in California and a family with Mexican heritage. Doors is father worked on a farm helping to pick the fruits and vegetables. Their family didn't have much money. But Dolores was a smart hard working student. And she grew up and became a schoolteacher switcher rushing to the other side of the top of your mouth and brush all the way to the molars in the back. The Loris taught school in California near the place where she grew up and so she noticed that the kids in our class were too hungry to pay attention. Many of the children were sick and some of them didn't even have shoes to wear these. Were the children of farm workers and the children were hungry and sick because the farm workers weren't being paid enough to take care of their families. Switzer rushing to the bottom of your mouth and keep brushing lawrence found out that the farm workers were not being treated fairly by the owners of the farms. She decided to help them. Organize a union. A union is when people come together to demand to be treated fairly by the people they work for. Dolores helped the farm workers organized a strike that means they refused to work until the farm owners agreed to treat the workers. Better Switzer rushing to the other side of the bottom of your mouth and brush your front teeth to the Laura's and the farm workers marched in the streets chanting see slipway which means yes we can in Spanish with the workers on strike. The farm owners had no one to work on their farms and pick the fruits and vegetables. Finally the farm owners had to give in an agreed to pay the farm workers fairly and treat them with respect and because of her courage and compassion deloris wick. That is today's chompers heroin. That's chompers today but come back tonight for more heroines from history until then one chompers production of Gimblett media.

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Dolores Claiborne (1995)

Chat Sematary

39:42 min | 1 year ago

Dolores Claiborne (1995)

"Heroine chat cemetery is back as is Katie Schaefer. Today we are discussing the Nineteen ninety-five Movie Dolores Claiborne which is based off of kings ninety two novel of the same name however given the way the novel was written the movie definitely make some changes to say the lease to make it a little more appealing to the visual aspect of a movie. Wouldn't you agree. Katie yes and it does a good job I think. Yes yes certainly does. And what I like is that they still make it about delores but they bring Selena more to the forefront and and you have these other characters and they're still aren't too many characters to really talk about you sort of just have kathy debates is Dolores Jennifer. Jason Leigh as Selena. You have Judy Parfitt. I believe as Vera Christopher plummer who has obviously always fantastic as detective John mackey. David Strat HAIRNET HAS JOE and John C Reilly as constable. You also have another appearance. Appearance from Bob Gunston as Mr P.'s. After he was prominent in the Shawshank Redemption Adaptation. So a repeat guy there but for the most part Bob Gunston doesn't play a huge role. He's just the bank guy that deloris goes and choose out. But really those characters are the ones that are sort of at the forefront forefront for this and Vera even less so because of the fact that she is pretty early on in the movie and in the story in general I would say too but overall Paul a very very solid cast for this. Yeah I mean ev and everybody is bringing their a game. I mean Jennifer. Jason Leigh. This was during the time we didn't get to see a whole lot of her and she is just spot on as Selena and pink. Kathy Bates is perfection and everything she does. I think I'd totally forgotten that John. C Reilly was in this at. I always excited to see John C reilly honestly and he is so great. I mean he doesn't have a whole lot of scenes but he really personifies like the dopey detective that we get a little bit of in the book even though it's just from Dolores as narration and he feels like such a great character addition addition It's so Stephen King like he's just the perfect little side Stephen King character that you could kind of look like I know exactly who this guy is and what his motivations nations are right and that's refreshing to have to. Because as you and I both know there are many many adaptations that change things things for the worse and listen. I think all of the changes made are understandable and they make sense story wise because really despite the fantastic cast. We've seen adaptations where they get these familiar names and faces and you're kind. I'm like okay. Maybe this will be good and then you watch near like no. That story just did not live up to expectations whether or not it's something like golden golden years where King wrote it for TV. Or it's an adaptation where someone else has sort of the creative power to change the story to make more sense for the big or small else green and in this the story at its core remain the same. Dolores was accused of this horrible thing that we all no. She didn't do based on the opening scene and everything and then you get these flashbacks to her relationship with her husband. Joe No and what Joe was doing to Selena while you don't explicitly see what Joe did you can tell in Celinas mannerisms that something is going on and I would say the only downside to this story is that we don't really get that connection with Gerald's game in this. Yes I agree and I would guess it's because there wasn't a that movie Prabhu Lou couldn't have been made at that time you know. She spends most of it in a pair of panties but I to felt like Ben something in there so so I felt it was a mixed bag like I really liked that part of the book but I don't know how they would have squeezed it in here. This screenplay was done by Tony. Gilroy who is both an academy the award nominee and Pulitzer Prize winner for one of his plays He was nominated for Michael Clayton way back and okay. I didn't know the mid nineties I think and I think he gets a lot of credit for how well he right takes. This essentially narrative book book and turns it into a multi perspective story and allows the characters who we kind of only see from Dolores as perspective in the book to come into into their own and Selena. Be a driving force behind. What's happening and hit especially his adaptation US getting to see things from Selena's perspective is heartbreaking lake? She doesn't do a whole lot of talking about her experiences but just from like you said her mannerisms and her face and how she reacts to what Laura says and does is so hard to watch in that way. That really gets to the viewer. Early tit for me. I think hands down. SELENA is the most sympathetic character in this even though Dolores didn't necessarily do anything in particular to deserve the way that Joe treated her all of those years of their marriage but I think deloris sort of had more of this vindictive addictive side to her than even Selena did Selena's clearly the one who got it the worst because of how her father abused her and then because of of just kind of how her mother was acting after the fact. And you just get this sympathetic young character who who then grows up and like you mentioned earlier. Jennifer Jason laziest sort of plays the role to perfection because she is damaged edged and there are so many people who've gone through what her character went through and they are able to relate. And you know while it's not something that everyone is going to be able to relate to. I think you still get this sense of. I can't believe this is a thing that happens to people people. Yes and I I really gotTA give a shout out to Ellen Muth who plays young Selena for nailing like Jennifer. Jason Leigh's acting Performance in this as well like she very much feels like a younger version of this character and her mannerisms and little ticks and how oh she moves her body all feel like an Jennifer Jason Leigh's performances the natural progression of that and I've typically in these kind of movies. The the older actor. I thinks that's the standard of this. Is Howard doing this. And the younger actor Kinda mimics them the performances mirrored each other so yeah throughout the whole thing yes exactly clean and I was just. I was really surprised by that because this is a hard roll for kit that age especially with having a father be abusive and they have that one scene on on the boat where he's literally you know abusing her and I can't imagine how hard to shoot and she does it really really well. Wow Yeah and you have to imagine to for the actor playing show you know he's probably not remotely that kind of person person at all in real life as eighty with plenty of these men who play the bad guy played the villain. It's like okay. You know you see them outside of these kind of roles and for one we never really know who any of these actors are. Unless they're really showing you like behind the scenes Kinda the stuff so when you hear about things like you know what his character is doing in real life and I'm not saying that we heard anything about this actor in particular but just in general it kind of makes you think when you watch roles like this. You're like God I really have. This person isn't like this and looking back on this role through the Lens of you know Twenty Nineteen eighteen twenty twenty year just like these are things that people actually got away with. During these time periods that these movies are taking place and there wasn't wasn't anything the authorities do about it and so to see a character like deloris. Take it into our own hands. You really get the sense that justice was done on even if it wasn't done the right way right and I think you know this is set. Nineteen seventy five is when the eclipse happens and I. I think it's very much a reflection of that time period. Like yeah that they don't indict her and that she gets away with it when it's obvious that it most of the town thinks she did it. It feels like there's also kind of a well. We know you did this and you shouldn't have done it but you probably had a good reason for it because it was obvious that Joe I mean even the movie where we don't get nearly as much information about what Joe does to Dolores and how what a total shit bag he is. It's obvious that he is kind of known as a loser and not a nice person person right and you you get the sense that like the town just kind of let it go because like well. He wouldn't have gotten in trouble for beating his wife. At that point they wouldn't tape. That's what you get and even for molesting his daughter Lake. That's really hard to prove at that time. And they were not sympathetic to especially teenage girls so it was an understandable way for her to make it stop and David straigthen right then does a phenomenal job at being a creepy asshole He certainly does and I think he does that. Role pretty regularly so and I mean he's now an also nominee academy award nominee and has been in. God I don't even know only eighty years ninety films and this role really shows how well he can become such a terrible character and make you hate him so much and I think the choice of actors in this is really really good at pinpointing. What's needed because this is such a stripped down version of the story in the book? We get so much more about like Vera and Dolores relationship and and they have a son in the book. Don't they they've to okay to one. Who is like a senator? I think and and then the other one dies young and they got all of that out of the book or out of the movie and but even Delors Joe I think. Didn't they have a boy and a girl yet. No Vera Vera has a daughter and a son who die and Joe and Dolores have two boys and Selena. Okay so in all of that is just a racist. 'cause I remember for in like the the moments where they were clearly. Flashing back to Selena was younger. I was like I kind of remember at least one or two boys running around. uh-huh you don't get that in this but I think because the main focus is on Selena and her relationship with her father and bearing earring what he did so deep that she won't even admit it as an adult. You kind of have to pull that out of her and you know the siblings. In in this instance for Selena. Aren't that important to the way they're telling the story in the movie but it was an interesting change from the book at least as far. Ars The flashbacks go because everything is focused. More on Selena's relationship with Joe at that point and you know I think I can speak for or both of us when I say that Joe's death was one that you're almost happy about and you know I have some new sound sound effects here and this one will let everyone know exactly how we feel about. Joe's death here. I think that sums. Is it up very nicely it does. It really does because when he finally makes that follow. You're like nobody cares dude Deisler and it's almost sad because the book look it takes him a long time to die and he dies real quick and this is like Philly. He deserved a little more for this. It was such A. I think this is probably one of the best adaptations I've watched of Stephen King's work like with how well encapsulates the story of the novel and adapted for film in a way. That doesn't really leave. You feeling like you need it anymore. And it's it's two hours and fifteen minutes or so and it is a tight two hours fifteen minutes like every moment counts and they. There's no wasted minutes in this. I think yeah you really get a sense for who both deloris ends end. Selena are in this and even vera in the moments that we do see her same with Joe and the cops who are going after Delores you really just. Yeah no right away okay. This is this character is this is the role they're playing. And then you just get to see how everything unfolds and I think they do that so well well with the story that they're working with because you know in the book. Dolores is just sitting down telling a story the entire book it's completely written from her perspective and you don't get those moments where she knows what Selena's life is like at the office and things like like that so I think this just really bolstered. Some of the character work. That king did in the book. And really you know. It's not shocking that Kathy Bates was good in S. because we had already seen her in misery and we knew she could take on these sort of different personas with her roles before so to have a lot of the king adaptations. I think that aren't necessarily horror. Driven ended up being sort of these top tier ones. I think is just a testament to you. Kings character work you know. Misery is definitely a horror story. Don't get me wrong there. You know everything that Paul Sheldon goes through his like. Somebody's somebody's worst nightmare. But this it's a different kind of nightmare. And you don't really have these horror elements to it. Where deloris is you know smashing? Jody pieces with a sledgehammer lake. She is in misery with Paul Sheldon. Kathy Bates is in misery with Paul Sheldon. And it's just one of those things where movies like this Shawshank Green Mile. You're kind of in awe of of how these came to life on the screen. Because you know Shawshank wasn't a long story it was a novella and I think that worked perfectly for for the way that Frank Darabont did that adaptation and then he goes on to do the green mile which will be coming up relatively soon. If I'm not mistaken on the podcast this but then you have something like Loris clayborn where maybe not a ton of people talk about it because it even though it because even though it stands ends the test of time I think very well. It's one of those stories that I think didn't quite hit as mainstream as some of the others did. I think this is more of a kind of Nisha. Stephen King Fans know about this movie and this story. And you know I know. People who didn't even realize Shawshank was a Stephen King Fan. So so how you know that. Hit a whole different level but with this I feel like it's kind of one of the more underrated king adaptations. Yeah I think so too I I think like you said it's not a horror story but it very much deals with a horrific acts and they're unfortunately everyday kind of horrific acts of bad marriages and abusive parents and abusive work situations with complicated relationships. Like these are all things that you actually experience. It's not like pennywise the clown in it. It's very much everyday life and this is not a happy story. No no it's not like shawshank where you have that ending like. He goes through hell but he makes it out. It's like there's a reconciliation at the end and that some I'm kind of positive ending but like Dolores is still on that island and she's still the same person and Selena still has trauma that she needs to work through and overcome. It's a very hard movie to watch at some points and I think that can be kind of off putting for people bill and that I think is partially why. This one isn't looked at as often when we talk about great king stories. And you you know when you read the book we talked about this one and Gerald's game you know how these are very much companion pieces to each other both of them deal with very personal L. Horrors and I think this film Manages Lake Shawshank Redemption to capture all of that and make it feel very visceral unreal in particular like the only part I think I would have liked more to touch. Lamb to touch on was vera delores relationship because we get a lot more of that in the book look on understanding how the two of them were and how they had had this very strange bond and even though Vera is obviously like incredibly difficult to deal with like there is like Selena talks about in the end like these two women love each other and they've been supporting shooting each other for so long even though they're both keeping secrets from each other. And it's just. This is very much a woman's story and I think that probably also contributes contributes to the fact that it's not as well regarded or known as kings other books because it is so much focused on women's experiences and those just unfortunately don't don't make as big a splash stories that focused on either groups or men. It's such a great example of King's non on horror work that even though it's hard to watch it's really unnecessary. Watch if you're a King Fan. Oh absolutely and I'm glad you brought up the Dolores and bureau relationship because it's like we get a good feel for how it was at the beginning and a good feel for how it was at the very end there but there. There isn't a whole lot of meat on what happened in between we do see you know when the husband comes during the summer and he's hitting hitting the golf balls and Delors is trying to hang up the sheets in the very very particular spot that veer likes them but as far as their personal relationship. Goes we get a little bit of it. You know when Dolores finds out about what's happening to Selena and I think that was a very nice this moment between those two characters because Vera always put off this idea that she didn't care about other people and she didn't in care about what other people were going through especially people who weren't of her status in the world and that was changed because because she had this kind of connection with Dolores and I agree it would have been nice if they had touched on it a little more. I think what they did give us though was he's good enough to put the pieces together yourself but it would have been nice if you didn't have to put those pieces together right and it. It requires that and seeing where Selena's is in the office with all the cops and I don't know the judge who the guy was they. Don't tell us a little confusing. Yes but like then she. She has to give her like speech about this. What was going on so we need? We did for those who haven't read the book. I feel like he probably did Kinda need that to put the pieces together but if you have read the book it feels like they hit all those spots you need to in order to get to show that relationship yet. 'cause it you don't necessarily have to know that Vera is just miserable and living a horrific half-life like we get so much more above in the book they do just enough. You know like I said the script and this is just amazing because of how well it manages to pull all these little bits together and make it into one good story that gives us that same feeling as the book because that was for me a big part of it is how well L. IT mimics the book in how the emotional reactions that it tries to elicit from the viewer right. It's one of those adaptations that doesn't require you. Having read the book beforehand to understand the essence of what is going on in this story and who these characters are. And I like when adaptations do that even even though they obviously had to change a lot from the book to be able to get all of these points across it worked very well and there are certain King King Books. That are just so hard to adapt in a way that would allow that to happen. I think it is a good example of that because of the fact back that. There's so much detail in that book in particular because it's you know roughly eleven hundred pages long no matter what cops you get of it and yes. There's so much that you just can't put in one movie or even two movies in the case of the recent adaptations. Because is you're always going to have to leave something out and I think with this even though they left out the fact that Selena had siblings. And you don't really really hear much about veras children or anything like that. It worked because you knew all of the players and you knew who they were at their core and that just came across so well and you know I definitely want to talk about the cinematography in this because there are so many do things that contrast with one another when you have Selena and Dolores arriving at the house because Dolores had ended up living living with Vera it's just so dilapidated and graffiti is everywhere. And then you get. These flashback images as of veras summer house that Vera basically changed out the furniture in all the time and you have her bossing these people around and you just get this difference in status so quickly when you see how these two characters are living right. It's it's very shocking. The contrast they have and in particular how they shoot this is how they shot. This is kind of surprising. prizing at how hard day go with The filters on this because all of the scenes in the president are given this blue filter that at first I was too much. Maybe maybe a little too much like feeling everyone kinda looks blue skinned here. But then once it starts flipping flipping back to show the past everything is really saturated and bright colors. And it's a really great great way to show how the events of the past have kind of drained a lot of life from the characters that were seeing being in the present because that's how it feels like they all feel very not sad but depressed or flats because because of all the things they've been through and even that goes to the detective character who's played by Christopher plummer. WHO's obviously still holding on to all this frustration astray Shin over not being able to get to learn convicted for murdering Joe? Yeah and we don't really find that out until halfway through I would say it doesn't really become clear why he's being in such a hard asked about this and then once we find that out we see how this is still really affected him too and he's not even you know he does not even part of this family doesn't know everything that was going on. It's the case that got away from him basically and it's the one that right kind of seems to keep him up at night because I'm sure there are plenty of detectives who have similar real life stories of you know there's first this one case I was never able to solve and it kept me up at night and as you and I know just sort of paying a little attention to true crime came in general. You're kind of like Oh man. There are so many cold cases out there that got away from people for one reason or another whether it was there was a lack of evidence. Or you know it's something from before all of this technology existed and now it's like you know the evidence assist to disintegrated maybe even to get all of this new technology working on those pieces of evidence. So you just have these cases that get away from people and because Joe fell down the well even though he had a little help it was probably going to be too hard to prove that. Oh no he actually could have hit his his head on a rock at the bottom of the well or something right right. I think it was a good choice. As opposed to in the book where it's much more obvious that he had some help with his death because she has to like brain him with Iraq and everything and I think because this movie is a simplified version. I think it works works to have him just kind of fall right in because then it is very much like well. He was drunk and wandering around. You know you have no proof that Delors had anything to do with this because Joe was a known drunk and that scene is shot so well too because you have just you know the setup beforehand of deloris I coming across the hidden well basically because she trips on it and then it's not like that idea fosters right away. It's when she finds out about what's been happening to Selena and then she kind of thinks back to. Oh Hey you know I can piss him off enough to have him chase after me and All nowhere this is. It wasn't like as soon as she tripped over it. She was like. Oh this is how. I'm going to kill Joe. It was something in the back of her mind and then when they framed how oh she jumps over it and Joe Falls into it. I just thought that sequence was done so well and you know like we've already said this is one of the sort of topped your adaptations for us. And I've noticed this common theme of the cinematography being something that really stands out in these top tier adaptations. Yes yes and I think the cinematography they use and how they shoot that scene and the fight that they have like you know she has. That conversation was vera. Vera's like you need to Kelham Kalem girl. Just kill him. Come on now fuck that guy. Is this essentially. Vera is doing vera makes possible. She's like okay. Go home go home and kill him. Come on get it over with like you. Don't need like husbands have accidents every day. Yup Yup one is happening probably right now while you're weeping so you know that's how she killed her husband. It was just right. You know this accident that they can't prove Yup and then how they shoot because you know as viewer a you know. It's coming and you'll see how Kathy Bates is playing dolores as this delicate dance of like getting Joe Comfortable so he'll get really drunk and then she's like okay. Here's the moment cuffs step up and do this and then they have that horrific fight fight and the chase and then the fall and it's all shot so intensely and they make it feel so scary because has you know that Delors is risking her own life when she in this initiates this because if he finds out what's going on and even if he doesn't she stands a chance chance of beating her to death so it's just such an amazing culmination moment and they really do save it until just the right moment in the movie movie to that once that happens that's like the start of the third act where things are forced to a conclusion and it's such a great great way to satisfy us wanting to know like okay. What exactly happened between them? And what happened to Joe and that once we find that out it's like a relief and then we get to see how it all ties up with the bow at the end. Yeah I think if we keep going on too much longer we'll probably just end up repeating ourselves about how much we enjoy this adaptation so I want quickly dive into ratings real quick here because I gave this this of four out of five simply because they did make some changes that I thought were a little odd like you couldn't just have one of the boys running around around in the flashback scenes. Kind of thing. They kind of made. It seem like Selena was an only child and I think it would have helped the story a little more a to understand no. He was only molesting the daughter not the boys. And you don't really get that idea here because you don't see that they have other children. Yeah I think it would have added a little touch of more mid everything seem darker and you know I think think they could have had that because they throw a bunch of other stuff in there with just like a little threat one or two throwaway lines but I I would say I'm right there with you a four out. I five for this because it really does. It's such a great adaptation and all the ways we've elucidated so far and I think like I said that there's a couple of things I would have liked to have seen more of but I also did not want this movie to go on any longer than it did because then I think it would have started to drag. So it's one of those where like I still think it's really fabulous but as a king fan and as a fan of the book it's like Oh well why couldn't I see a little bit more about you know these a couple of things. Yeah or even like we mentioned earlier. The Gerald's game reference for the book. That is kind of crucial to connecting the King Universe. You know maybe we could have seen a daughter and her dad off in the distance during the eclipse. Because it's not necessarily that dolores kind kind of sees what's happening. It's sort of like she. Has this tied Jesse in this sort of gut feeling and a vision kind of way. Hey it's not like she was like. Oh Hey I can see this thing happening and I'm not going to do anything about it. She was definitely further away than that as far as what. I gathered right from the book and it was more of like this vision. kind of hit her of this thing happening to this other girl that was similar to what happened to Celina. Yes I agree. I think that little connection is such. It's so powerful in the book especially when then when you read Gerald's game and then they have it again when Jesse is strapped in. Because I believe that what's happening to Jesse. When she's an adult is happening at the same time? That Vera dies yes so they have another moment you know when they're both again in a horrific crisis and I think that it's such a great moment and I agree agree. I would have liked to have seen a little more and I would have. I would guess that if they did the movie now they probably would like if Netflix made it. Oh yeah especially. Given the Gerald's game adaptation that net flicks put out with Mike Flanagan and that was right one that I'm looking forward to visiting because I don't think I enjoyed it quite as much much on first viewing simply because I haven't read the book yet so I think sometimes if you want to be a complete is like I am with most of these adaptations aside from children of the corn of course as I have noted times here but after reading Gerald's game the book book I think if I go back and revisit the movie soon or soon issue it will still be over a year before covered on the podcast is one one of those things where I'm going to see it in a different light because I'm like Oh okay. This makes sense as an adaptation. The way this story was told because it mimics the book look so much better than I realized not having read the book I and I like it when movies can still be good like this one without having in to read the book to fully understand everything that's going on and I'm not saying that's the case with Gerald's game per se but I'm just saying it'll be seen through a different different Lens for me particularly having read the book and the Nice thing about this podcast is that I'm typically reading the book before having seen the movie is there are obviously the big ones like this that I ended up watching before reading the book and Gerald's game where it's like these adaptations are just so in my face and you know other on streaming services or something and I can't ignore them because I watched dolores claiborne the first time I believe when it was on. Hbo Streaming and I was like. Oh you know I know. That's a King Adaptation. I'm going to watch it and I think I might have even done that before. I started the podcast or shortly after starting the podcast so wasn't in my mind to go read the book I it was like. Hey this thing might be leaving. Hbo Soon So let me hurry up and watch it and then you know on Rewatch I was like yeah. Yeah I understand why they made so many changes to this one. Yeah and I think this is a really great example of something where you can watch the movie first and then go read the book and then you'll have a great experience you know because you can. It's like oh well this really fleshes everything out. It doesn't feel like the two are conflicting at all. It feels like there. They go very well together so yeah I think I I watched this when I was a whole God like when when it was on. TV after it came out when I was probably twelve thirteen earlier than you should have watched it. Oh much earlier my mother is very. It was very permissive. For in regards to movies especially weirdly enough Stephen King movies I watched it the the TV adaptation tation at a very young age and should not have I had nightmares about that shower scene for a long time. But you know this one is much different than that. Obviously so I think it's it works well and it's a I I would almost say this is a great if someone is interested in reading Stephen King and they're like I'm just not sure sure this is something you could show them and say here's an example of his other work you know. Watch this movie if you like it. Read the book and then explore other works because because this isn't you know far out there it's not it's not really dense like his. You know his bricks so I think it's. It's a really good introduction to the character work. That Stephen King does that. He is a master of its way. More of this sort of mystery stories suspense thriller Type Novel Than It is a horror novel and I know horror isn't something that is going to be for. Everyone I think King has enough stories that would appeal to non horror fans that are worth checking out and then obviously he has the fantasy thing going with all of the various books that that ties in to the dark tower series which I am learning is a lot more than I thought. There were some impressive. It's one of those things where he is known tone for his horror. Novels like pet cemetery and like it but people don't necessarily realize that certain stories like this one can come from him him as well and I'm glad that the movie adaptations of those stories exist because like I said some people are like Oh. I didn't even know that was a king. Thank you know. It is amazing how wide he sort of spread his wings and was like. Oh No you know. I'M NOT GONNA do Australia horror novel. I'm going to do this novel or Novella about just humans in these elements comments that are very real to them and very real to a lot of other people. And I'm going to add these horrific things because those are realities is for so many people and that was certainly the case with this one you know maybe not every wife murders her husband for molesting their daughter but it's something something that so many families have experienced right and especially like we said back previous nineteen seventy five and before like now. You could do other things now. You could go to the police about it and now you could get your daughter a therapist and all of that but in nineteen seventy five. Good luck especially if you live on a tiny remote island does those just weren't options for women. Then so I think thankfully I doubt I don't I think that the world is quite as harsh as it was then in some ways than maybe not in all right so I think this is such a good example of how how the world has changed and you can read this and get a sense of how things used to be. It is not wild within crazy out there. It's you know it is a sad and horrible truth that this is something that did happen probably more often and then we think it did because women didn't have the any kind of options so they did what they had to do to protect their children. Exactly will I think that's a good place to to wrap this up here. Katie thank you so much for coming on to talk about this movie. I know it's one that you and I both enjoyed as a book. So it's fun to also get to compare and contrast the book in the Adaptation Right. It's such A. It's such a treat when the book is Great and the Adaptation. It's great and for are different reasons. We've seen all too many where that's not the case. Oh exactly and quickly before we go here. I want to let you know about about our patriotic for a dollar a month you will get a thank you on the show for two dollars a month you can get yourself a limited chat cemetery sticker. There aren't too many left. So if if you want to support this. That's a good way to do that. 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Episode 35 - Dolores Claiborne

The Stephen King Boo! Club

55:52 min | 1 year ago

Episode 35 - Dolores Claiborne

"Content warning child sexual abuse domestic violence and miscellaneous violence. An accident is sometimes uh-huh and unhappy Woman's best friend. It's the Stephen King Boo club the opera opera. Everyone put on your opera glasses. I'll give you a moment and our boy being next rockets art by this del. Not One person ever listened Including me I'm Steven. Andrew Sano in dime Phoenix Crockett. And this this week we are reading Dolores Claiborne written in Nineteen Ninety two Phoenix. I'M GONNA go ahead and take the main points. Dolores claiborne is a sixty five year old woman who is being interrogated arrogated by two policemen and is dog. Refer is present the unedited manuscript of this nearly ten. Our conversation is the presentation of the novel. delores makes short asides to the main investigator Andy Beset who she knows from her small town and to the Sinaga for Nancy Eh who she hopes will identify with her problems. As a woman delores has been arrested for the possible murder of Vera. A millionaire recluse. For whom MM Dolores served as head of staff for forty years delores knows that Vera simply fell down the stairs but to clear her name. She must confess fast to killing her abusive husband years before she decides to start from the beginning she and Joe Meet in middle. School will begin dating in high school as soon as they're married however it becomes clear that Joe is an abusive alcoholic. delores only stands for for two beatings before nearly branding him with a cream pitcher in front of their only daughter Selena soon after Joe begins to molest their daughter and emotionally abuse their two younger sons. He also steals all the money that Dolores has saved at cleaning jobs for their kids. Kid's Education Vera. Millionaire that delores works for tells dolores that Joe should have an accident and gives her the day off during a solar eclipse Vera herself prepared for her children to visit during the eclipse. But they never show delores sets a trap for Joe such that that he would fall down a well. He doesn't die and while she figures out what to do. She is overcome by vision of a young girl being molested by her a father and she knows that it is real. Joe Manages to crawl out of the well and grab her foot and she bashes his head then with Iraq. At this point she asks the investigator to share some of the gym being. She assumed he keeps in his desk. He reluctantly obliges delores puts up an act and reports Joe Missing when his body is discovered she's interrogated by state police chiefs. There isn't enough evidence. Didn't convict but the town and indeed her daughter Selena believe that she is guilty. She gets nasty phone calls and once a group of teens in a truck truck fires a gun over her house things die down over time but she does not repair her relationship with Selina who grows up to become an alcoholic. Golic is well decades after the incident with Joe delores and still works for Vera. There is mind has never been solid. But she's degrading quickly during one of her increasingly frequent fits of delusions Vera freaks out thinking that the dust bunnies in her home home or going to attack her and she falls down the stairs. She doesn't die though and asks Dolores to put her out of her misery. Dolores this goes to get a rolling pin but when she returns Vera has passed. The mailman seized Laura's holding the rolling pin and his suspicious mm-hmm. Her case is not helped when various financial manager calls and says the delores is the sole heir to Vera's thirty million dollar estate after finishing her story. Dolores donate to the entire some to an orphanage. That Vera was a donor of delores is cleared of all charges Phoenix what's going on with alike background thumping noises. Is that like your cats are fucking around. Yeah I try. I tried to put them in the bathroom and then now we can still hear them bathroom. So I'm trying to put them on the other side of the house but that's what I tell you what I tell you I tell you. Let's talk about it in full darker Argument structure. This book is so good. This is really. Yeah Yeah I liked it. I liked it less than Phoenix. Liked it. But that's because it's about the main this thing that we've done so far which is saying something that's it really he is and you know we're switching places because last time Stephen Dodd the book was amazing and I thought it was fine now. We're kind of switching places but I could read this in her voice like the whatever dolores claiborne is real voice was I could read it in that voice. Yeah I couldn't because I didn't grow up with the dialect in something that's important to note about. This book is that it's written phonetically in dialects so a lot of times the word and will be substituted for the letter and and stuff like that. I didn't I didn't take extensive notes on those kinds of things because we're going to be doing an extended version of our down East wisdom main ism section later and I figured we hit it then the biggest thing we keep in mind yeah good examples. Various spellings of the word forehead. Because she would have said it was he. Can she keep. She loves his Far Ahead Far yes. That's it is that I really don't have the perspective on Matt. 'cause I just don't have the dialect in my brain so it made it like harder work for me to read. I think you would love the audiobook Francis Stern Hagan. You're probably away right. It also includes water drinking drawers opening paper shuffling and radio drama. Yeah and this really asking to be made into a radio drama. Because it's in that format like it's directly from the SINAGA refers typed out. Notes is what it seems like. No page breaks known the crap and I didn't I didn't realize how much I relied on. Chapter is in page breaks to rest my brain until I was like maybe two thirds so this book and I was like like give me something to hold onto you know. I do think though that this is the first book in Stephen King's entire Pantheon as we've covered it that I personally believe is not one word overwritten. Yes I think everywhere it is is valuable and it's not that Long No. It's the first book we've done so far where we got to the end and I wanted more everything else we've gotten to the end and I'm like all right even masterpieces eases. I'm like I'm fall. I can't do anymore for sure now. Normally this is where we would do down east wisdom which is where we talk about. All of the main `ISMs in this book the Phoenix Wchs. How did you count seventy one seventy one? So that's more than we can usually do for our little five minute thing here ear so instead what we're GONNA do is we're just gonNA move that whole segment to the off week. That'll be your bonus for next week so I hope you like the main stuff jeff because Laurie Laurie. There's a lot of it in this one. Which of course brings US straight to? Sweet screams are best of section I know I'm a broken record and saying this but I wish I could just hand readers the entire book and say here is your sweet screams. It's it's especially in this book. Where so much of its long form and so much of its character me say long? I mean my favourite part was like an eighth the book on just one rat. It's like twenty pages or so will be a topic and it works because it's all in this character voice in the character really sells it. It's a character piece much like Shawshank was I think. That's probably the closest comparison and Dolores. Claiborne is one of my if not my favorite Stephen King character. It's like her. And then Stu Redman you know she makes my heart ache. Oh a little bit. It's so not her fall. No Yeah and she's just. She deals with all this stuff. I want to do all lead us in with an actual actual quote here This is her talking about her relationship with her past. She lives on this tiny rainy island off the coast of Maine. And there's this thing called reach which some of you might remember from the short story? The reach which is is the small strip of water between the mainland and the island to obey right and this is what she has to say about time and reaches times a reach to you know just like the one that lies between the island and the mainland but the only thing that can cross it is memory. And that's like a ghost shit if you wanted to disappear after awhile it will. It's just full of these kind kind of folksy delight full. Look you can imagine this elderly storyteller just laying these things out because that's just how our brain works works. Absolutely it's delightful. It's it's so it's almost melancholy. That's what I'm trying to get to and to give another another melancholy one We're GONNA talk a lot about pits today. Yes lava pits in this and fallen into pits. Don't worry about it you'll hear hear about it in my teams. But this says Vera had a pit to fall into and if I've got anything to be grateful for is it's that I hadn't had to dream my children back to life like she did although sometimes when I'm talking to Selina on the phone and hear her slur her words. I wonder if there's any escape for any of us from the pain in our lives God so good and that touches on a plot point that we didn't talk about much in the main points. which is there's this secondary super late in the game? Twist that veras children have been dead for years since they were teenagers. Barra had told Her Yup they own these businesses. They're in their forties and fifties now all that stuff. It's just this. This piece is heartbreaking. Probably the most heartbreaking heartbreaking sends pet cemetery for me I I would say even more because in yes so many people are in desperate situations. They can't get enough then in in pet cemetery the characters get to die in the end and get out of there and this one is live Dan of Stephen King Nihilism Club. There's a weird dream sequence again where she literally slices her nose off to spite her face. Yeah a a lot of good dream sequences in this one I. There were a lot of them but they all served a specific literary purpose so it worked for me. Yeah I want to talk about a very important quote for this book. This is one that you see a lot in like forums People use it a lot like image macro as they densify with it. Very deep. Put Off Yeah this is the the big famous quote from this book. Sometimes being a bitch is the only thing a woman's got ought to hang onto which out of context might seem kind of sexist rakes. It's like while that's a bad way to define a person person but in context fucking earns it it's a really powerful line in the context of the book. Because you have this character of Vera who has a lot of material comfort but it's clear through some really heavy sub taxed. There's just some bad shit that has gone on in her life and the defense defense mechanism that she has built for herself. Is this kind of combination of like really really strong social aptitude and meanness. It's also a bit of commentary on how we use the word bitch. Yes because the you know the word bitch which as applied to women in these times women today Can sometimes just mean a woman like standing up for what's right or what she needs to do or like being being powerful yes avenue and then were bitches used to describe it. I know that bitch has been reclaimed especially in communities unity's of women like say My mom or the women in my family. You Know Marie you have to like be strong in the face of whatever it is out there reclaiming it can be a really powerful thing I white. That's one disclosed is doing for sure. just a really really phenomenal book. If you're into feminist reads and if you're into really diving into gender and literature this is one to keep an eye out for I would say this is the height. I don't know if we're going to get any higher than feminism awesome in Stephen King. Now this this might be because it's this close to home is e gates. He's writing from what he knows. Which is poverty the culture sure of Maine like this is really where he's coming from? And it shows it shows in the quality of it. I WANNA give a little back and forth between Verron Dolores they have a wonderful relationship I love. I think this is one of the strongest relationships we've seen in a king book. If any of you watch gilmore girls. It's very sorry emily. Laura had to bring up excellent. I'm so glad to have your opinion. Dolores I crave it. You know each night when I go to bed. I live there in the dark reviewing the day and asking the same questions as each event passes before my eyes. What would dolores done? Well that made me madder than ever. It's so good out loud. I'll tell you one thing dolores claiborne. Don't do in. That's take it out on someone else when she's pissed off and disappointed about something. I guess I ain't enough of a high riding bitch to do that. They just really. They're at each other and it's powerful and it's It's just so so good. There's one more thing I have to talk about. It's easily the best part of this book. Way Too long to even take sections from because it wouldn't make sense and Latinos I tried. That's the ship section. The Shit's action for sure. So so the shit section so Delores veras nurse when you're someone's nurse you sometimes have to clean up after their bowel movements Yup and she accused Barra correctly of withholding bowel movements and then letting them explode in the bed rate one. Dolores would have to clean Lena. Yes and this part of the book is literally. I counted in pages twelve percent of the entire book yet. It's like forty pages ages of a more about her having to clean up this senile woman shit and yeah the one of the first thing that happens in the book to it sets. The tone is that we're going to get down and dirty and we're GonNa talk about things we don't talk about you know and it goes and goes on until one Mondays. She flings it all over the room and dolores like puts the Kabosh on it. Yeah so it literally tells you deloris will only take shit for so long. Yeah yeah it it. It serves a literary purpose it functions. Well there's a little bit of comedy to it and he calls it out too because it's because this is a character talking to other characters as the format of it. She can do this thing where she'll stop the story where it gets really scatalogical and be like it's okay to laugh. It's no go ahead laugh laugh. Why don't you funny? It's even funny to me now. She said Yeah Yeah she says. Sometimes you gotta laugh. You're gonNA cry sometimes as you do both right like it's one of the things that keeps us. Book grounded is anytime you get to these peaks. That might be melodramatic. Stephen King steps in as as low as clayborn and says but that's all wonder water under the bridge or like you know it's like for you say Lavi Right. My wife is a nurse end it really do realize that sometimes yes sometimes it really do be like that so that I think brings us because again. We can't quote the whole book. You're just GONNA have have to go read it and in fact please do go. Read this book that I think brings us to the web. This is where we talk about connections with other works in the Stephen King Cannon Phoenix. Take it away. This is the strongest web connection of any books that are not written directly as sequels in the Stephen King Pantheon. Yeah well actually. Yeah I think you're right of any books that are not actually genuinely connected. Yeah they they were released in the same year. One at the beginning of the year when at the end of the year Gerald's game and Dolores Claiborne. So if you remember our last episode Jessie Burlingame Erling game is a character. If you didn't listen to that episode this isn't GonNa make sense but I can't explain the entire plot of Gerald's game I just did that. Just can't do it so the Lawrence has visions didn't during this book During the eclipse of the last eclipse that happened in Gerald's game that same eclipse same-day actually. Yes She has the visions of Jesse being molested by her father the at multiple points in the book. She psychically connects to Jesse as Jesse deals with the tragedy using scenes taken from Gerald's game the eclipse is also hailed a over dairy and gets mentioned in insomnia and haven. which gets mentioned engined in? Tommy knockers I found textual evidence of that talk on that because I could not remember anything about an eclipse in granted. Tommy knockers was a fever dream so I it wasn't going to remember anything about eclipse but it went four on diving and found a guy who pointed to a page where it's like and that eclipse last year Blah Blah Blah and then cowboy. WHOA that's wild or ten? I love there it was great. So that's that's a major portion of this book. These books are spiritual sisters. Yes and I. I also want to point out that it's not overdone and it doesn't feel out of place I think there's maybe once or it's mentioned where I was like that feels kind of shoehorned but otherwise it serves serves its own kind of literary function in this book. Even if Gerald's game hadn't existed like it still would have been a worthwhile thing to include in the book book which I think is damn impressive. Yeah for sure and we hadn't read Dolores Claiborne before like I read Gerald give a million times. Yeah yeah but I had to go back in Gerald's game in find pieces about Dolores Claiborne. Remember a room. She remembers the well. And it's the really significant image and I now I don't know like these are just. They're such strong companion pieces. Like if Stephen King had only written these two books lexi would still be remembered as a great. You know what I mean. That's that's the thing about it and there's other stuff too. Yeah so they mentioned Shawshank. I know what makes sense. Yeah I mean that's like Kujo where it just gets thrown in as like. This is a thing that everyone knows about Little Tall Island probably the same island from the short story. Worry the reach which is also a really similar started this one. A lot of ways Anything else that we were missing in there. I mean obviously everything ties together right so if you tied to Shawshank tied to it you tied to haven you tied to it. You know. It's all together. Yeah there's a lot of stuff and it's all connected and on that note. I think that we should move over to the mid show so so we have a whole bunch of stuff to shout as always check us out on social media. We've got a twitter at Steven Kane Boo. We've got a facebook page where we post a bunch of crap. We've got a instagram. I think is also at Stephen King Boo Boo club. That thinking we have a patriae on. which is I think Petron Dot com slash Stephen King Boo club? Yup and we have a contest running right now which is the actual hoping I want to talk about so few episodes go. We mentioned that there were not any great adaptations for some of the stories in four past midnight. We put the call out for people to send us their reactions. Those pieces there are to their adaptations. What have you and we're getting response? which is a very exciting? Yes so make your art art send it along whatever it may be and On insomnia part one we will announce which when we liked the most and also also shout out pretty much. Anyone ends things in obviously if you put a bunch of work into an adaptation. We're not will wasn't the best so we're not talking. Oh yeah I I mean and we'll probably I mean if there's like little scripts we will read them. If there's pictures to be posted a sculpture online everything will get its display time. Yes yes yes ask but that is going to be insomnia part one where we talk about that. which is t minus two weeks from one? This is released so you're on deadline for that. I gotta get reading. What else do we have to talk about? let's talk about how we're GonNa have a patriotic exclusive interview with Tony Magistrate. islay yeah what up Also later in this piece or later in this you know script. I'm going to be telling you all kinds of things about an essay written by Tony Magistrelli and Michael Balloon Michael Blue. In what Michael Blunt. A new name enters the picture and he is a bona fide Stephen King scholar and he published his on the subject Super Bowl and he dig it Published some books recently in all that and he will also be our interview for our call from beyond in our next episode. I love of that I just wanted to say you know usually cram this full of like social media. shoutouts whatever you know obviously you go tell the like one person out of the program all that you mocking yourself. I know I know I know but like man and just wanted to appreciate for a moment. How cool this this project has been? We are quickly Rounding About Towards Our fiftieth freaking episode. We're getting there to what the suite. At end it's blowing my mind signed. That's and yeah. Yeah like run the numbers. We're getting there any. I just wanted to take a moment to appreciate all the listenership ship. He's been with us especially from the beginning. It's been so cool and we love have you guys and we love we love to project. The product has never gotten to the point where I've been like God. I wish I didn't have to do yes. It's like thank God. I have camping out sixty hours for my leg day job in the last the five days and not once was I like I have to record this episode. Like it's always been a shining light so just thanks you all for your continued support port. If you want a sport is monetarily those Patriot on if not just go ahead and tell one person if you can if you can tweet about it that helps whatever we do this for us. We do this for we all and if we can make the family grow more we will do so I think I think we should take it to needful themes are literary analysis section. Yeah so excited. I know you're hypes to shit about this literary analysis analysis section. Because I get to do my favorite things. I mean one of the things about our literary analysis excluding last episode. Is that if we have to pick something we might as well pick our favorite thing which true and this book was so man I was like what am I talking about. Good God damn could you possibly own in on so to the basically this parts full of I will stuff in Sweden boy scout bubble boy phoenix. Crockett is Art Bible by member number. That bit in the Rose madder episode. Where Phoenix was the youth pastor? I thought that was really funny. Still good it's still applies I am. I am ready with my timer. And if you're ready I can count you off. Cut me off three two one go I. So there's a ton of Bible stuff in this book. A woman in the late sixties in Maine is likely to know her Bible back to front and Dolores mentions different stories the time at one point she specifically mentioned a paraphrased quote. We're in a person falls into a pit. They had dug for their enemies. Let's do a Little Bible study on this and look how it partially functions as a parable for the whole book and how it comes around over and over in the plot in this psalm. David is trained in prison. And and Oh yeah also trapped in a cave. His enemy saw chased him in there saw would become king later. David wants God to help them out. Which of course is happy to do because God really digs David At one point David says of his enemies they have prepared a net for my steps. My soul all is bounded down they have dig a pit before me in the midst whereof they are fallen themselves Saleh but by many interpretations is this is a metaphor for solid getting lost or hurt chasing David into the cave system while David is ultimately delivered. David would go on a bunch would go on to do. A bunch of really gangster stuff like kill Goliath. But that's like that's neither here nor there so there is of course a little bit in the story the well Joe did not dig the well but he did hire a guy to do it in the pit he was really digging for. Dolores was the deep dark lifetime of living with him. He then of course falls into to the well the representation of that painful darkness Dolores specifically sites that passage from Psalm fifty seven and then adds her dialogue. Oh God God oh God oh Lord which if you visually look at the Psalm. On the Bible page those are the words that stick out the most just the way. Hey It's written. Joe Died unlike salt but his fate was biblical. If it was anything. Such events are common in the Bible. We remember Daniel in the lion's Stan Jonah in the belly of the whale etc God saves those who are trapped. entraps those who are responsible for the trapping in so libs Dolores. One could argue that Vera fell into the pit she dug for her enemies. Also one every day her staff are berated in treated poorly as they run up and down her stale her her stairs in heels and every Thursday. Dolores waits on those stares dumbfounded knowing she'll have to clean Barra's bowel movements. Dolores mentioned that she came to hate those stairs in Vera fell down them and died. I mean it's possible. She committed suicide. If that's your interpretation semi interpretation. That's a whole separate thing. She was not necessarily dolores his enemy. In fact she's a friend at best and a sympathetic be offset worst but saul had his good qualities to before eventually falling on his sword on purpose in the face of becoming Philistines. The important part is Dolores. You've got dug a pit for Joe. She dug a pit for Joe. Oh and she fell into Herself when Vera died and everyone had already pegged her as a murderer which prompted this whole. Gosh darn thing. She I got caught. Essentially what I mostly want to say is this Psalm Psalm. Fifty seven is mostly about praising God and a little bit of justice a lot of praising God and a little bit of justice may actually be a good tagline for Stephen King's Dolores Claiborne. You Don boom. That's good 'cause you had like two seconds left night so let's talk about it a little bit I have two things to say that are not substantive one psalm. Fifty seven is the name of our nightclub in the Danforth calling the pit hal yet. So that's that's the two things aren't substantive the other thing is. I really appreciate that you come in here with the textual Old Testament stuff. 'cause I never know that that that stuff is just not on my cultural radar and this is you could do a whole reading of this book just as a Biblical allegory. Absolutely I mean I mean. I'm sure that yeah I definitely did. And this is what I was thinking of. I mean some fifty seven is short. It's less than a page in. Its obviously one of hundreds dribs of similar things have to really dig into it and know your bibles. Yeah to make any of this make sense and Stephen King debt will and it's a good time to talk about Out You know we've talked about feminist reads on the program before but there's a lot of different ways you can go into literature with a specific topic in mind so with feminists reads. You're looking at gender dynamics you know with a biblical read. You're looking at this kind of thing. We're like well one of the psalms that it relates to but you can also read this book in terms of like a class structure thing. There's a lot of class structure going around various relationship with Delores and the whole rich versus poor. Poor situation love it. How about this book this I actually? I should've said this. I rank my seating king books in my heading and Dolores Claiborne sang a lot is number five. Yeah out of everything we've read. That's pretty hyper yes. It's very high. Praise yeah these two. It's so funny that we ping pong because they're kind of sibling books. We're kind of sibling. Lake AAC people happened. We both loved them for very different reasons and I would love to talk about this book if you're ready because I I don't know if you've got a chance to read this so I'm interested to see what you think. This is actually the first time in history where I have not heard. That's fun. Yeah well let me know in your ready all right. Let's do five four. Three two one time is dolores claiborne. Horror Short answer now long answer. It's definitely not horror but it's also not not the horror so we all know that Stephen King is very much a horror author. He loves scary stories. He loves writing scary. Stories in the vast majority of his work is explicitly explicitly intended to frighten and Disturb Dolores. Claiborne is a very different beast to get the simple question out of the way. Is it horror. Let's check in with the encyclopedia. BRITANNICAS definition of the genre. A horror story is one quote in which the focus is on creating a feeling of fear at the risk of that being too simple. Because let's face it. Good horror also wants you to feel empathy and Catharsis Sarah. I'm going to amend that definition and slightly to be as follows horror genre pieces attempt to utilize fear as the driving emotional tension for the audience pet cemetery for example wants you to be sad and engage with grief but what drives. The story is primarily a fear based tension in that regard Dolores Claiborne. Orne is not horror except it's also not not horror. Let me explain. The overarching plot is not horror. This is a character. Dr Voice piece first and foremost and is probably best viewed as a straightforward literary novel. That is its aim is not to fit within a defined mind set of genre conventions but rather to tell a singular story as effectively as possible. Dolores Claiborne is about clayborn herself. Her life her experiences her character. It's also about sexism. And spousal abuse about parenting about the odd friendships. We make with odd companions companions. These concepts are not explored primarily through fear except when they are a sizeable portion of Dolores claiborne is devoted to the decisions and actions which lead her to murder. Her husband. Much of this section is not driven by fear. It's driven by empathy for delores and her daughter Hotter Selena and from their complex relationship. There are moments of fear various delusions about the wires in her home and the dust. Bunnies are chilling but those Sir moments in service of delores overall character development. But a funny thing happens at the mid point of the story. There's an eclipse. The same aim apocalypse explored Gerald's game during the eclipse the book definitively switches genres and becomes for fifty or so pages primarily horror. The setup is clear enough. This is a how I did it. Story like Edgar Allan Poe's tell tale heart or sections of Gillian Flynn's gone girl. Dolores describes what it took that day to murder her husband and during that period the primary driving emotion is raw raw fear. Clayborn is all nerves as she goads her husband on to drink heavily when the clips begins in earnest she provokes her husband in a way which she knows oh is will lead to violence. Her husband's strangles her and she runs through the woods. Being chased as the world becomes strange in dark. It's true that her trap works. Joe Falls into the well as planned but he doesn't die in that odd twilight she hears him beg for his life baked for his alcohol and eventually gathered. The will climb back out of the well like some undead creature to take his revenge. She has to bash his head in with Iraq servive. It traumatizes her and it's only once. The eclipse ends that the story once again becomes driven by empathy plot based tensions hand Dolores Claiborne Short story containing only the section during the eclipse. It would have been straight down the line horror. But it's not the eclipse ends and it resumes being capital L. Literature and so the book is not horror but the heart of the story what happens bins during the eclipse sure as hell is Phoenix time minus eighty. I just wanted to hear a dammit. That's I brought it home Within a certain amount. I'm not upset about that. I was like I was reading a log. We like other tackle Custom blinds coming eight more seconds. That's so funny. Yeah I love it. I like that Especially your description of what like a classic literature. Tail is trump times people. Forget that most books don't have aren't John Ri- right. Well I I read and listen to consume so much on reflection that in sometimes it you forget as you know. Reading consumes literature that I forget that were John Pictured. Yeah Jonah Fiction podcast. What made me choose this topic? Is that so. I purchased a very contemporary edition of this book You know this is. Let's see it's assignment interest or imprint. Let me see in its recent enough that it has fucking instagram handle on the back and these are the quotes chooses to advertise quote among kings. Best unforgettable unflinching. San Francisco Chronicle agreed powerful. Time agreed absorbing horror that comes from the real world honest and chilling in Chicago Tribune. I don't know Chicago Tribune. I don't know if someone didn't read the book and wrote that someone you know why because they assumed it was. Yeah Stephen King Stephen King has got to be horror also While I have the book out just want to point out that. This book is dedicated to Stephen. King's mother Ruth Pillsbury King. And I think that's the Swedish it I've ever seen my wife. Sal Yes just completely unrelated and my addition was was to other other people really. Yeah Woo interests. I like that you can just change that shit out. Yeah that's fun so that's all I had to say about that. I don't know it's pretty definitive. I think yeah. I don't know if you have any counter arguments for me but I the others. What am I gonNA feel about that? Let's take it to. Which one do I shoot if you had up to this one there are? There is the play a movie at an opera. Oh Man let's go get the APRIO ask because I'M GONNA lose my ever loving shit about it. Did you get a chance to watch the movie. I didn't it worth your me. I won't hurt you. Okay thanks is so it. It's definitely one of the top Stephen King Adaptations for sure. Oh Yeah like Oh my God. Oh yeah I mean it's like misery I mean Kathy Bates wins a a bunch of awards for doing. I liked it better than anything except misery. Wow for adaptation. Wow now and and. And that's despite the fact that the plots not really that close so Kathy Bates kills it Jennifer for Jason Lee Ellen. Muth John C Reilly David John C reilly that do way better than it only gives him credit for. Yeah he he plays the police chief like on the mainland Nice. The movie plot is weird. It focuses entirely on dolores his relationship with her daughter. As if that were the only parts of the book that had happened. All the plot points get hit correctly though for the most part. The problem is not the problem. I shouldn't say problem but basically the movie is essentially. Selena has come home from college and has problems with substance abuse and depression suicidal. Ha and that's what the whole book his about inner until movie. Sorry which does not come up in the book at all but it so well done and as such its own perfect story using the dolores claiborne character right including the stories that that that it that it really works out. I mean that's close to the heart of the novel though like it's not like they changed changed something to fundamentally change with the stories about. They made an adaptation that would work better for their medium idiom. That's a very different thing. Yeah for sure. This is a big conversation that people have around translating works from various languages. Right is do you translate to the literal word or do you translate to the emotional feeling you know and I think that it Definitely accomplished the second yeah Twenty strategy teaches the movie In his court on the films of Stephen King for a whole week Dang Bang because it's so visually stunning it's in set in Nova Scotia. which looks exactly like Maine and it's geographically very close but you can? Yeah Yeah Robert Ebert called it a great horror film which I think is very interesting because of course it's a drama with Gothic Romance Tendencies Horror still at an hour rider. Why don't you hear what I had to say? I'm coming for you Ebert but I think the movie movie is more horror than the book because of pacing and music that makes sense. Yeah I mean those those kinds of elements really can change how something works so that that makes sense also remember in the Gerald's game movie with the glass and the cutting of the hand that was not literally literally taken from Gerald's game. It was taken from the movie. Dolores Claiborne Mu Shields a little bit. ooh Love a young Selena whose exhibiting behavioral problems because of sexual abuse by her father crushes a Christmas ornament ornament in her hand and scrapes her arms. Okay all right yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah I'm on board. That's some really cool kind of inter textual stuff going on. I love that literary parallels. Make me very happy. Let's talk about what really matters which is left the baby. The thing that everyone cares about you know the thing that everyone cares about live theater. Let's talk about it. Stephen opened his fourth production of spring awakening last night head. Go check it out at round house house in Washington. DC So David Joss. Buckley adopted a play produced in Germany and France. And the problem is I can't find. Gosh darn thing about it. Except the Wikipedia says it exists at some point in time theaters ephemeral baby but it also is if you for whatever reason have any context for that hit us up we would love to hear about that production and what it was what it entailed. Were mad curious now phoenix. I've been pushing US along because I need need need to talk about the opera para there is an opera. Everyone put on your opera glasses. I'll give you a moment okay. So there's an opera. Phoenix sent me some clips. I'm GonNa play play just a little bit this. Is You know just a little a little Gauche right now So that's great. We're going to post that on social media After this episode clears obviously we absolutely will Patricia. Reset is the titular character and does a great job. The peace lent itself very well to that medium. they one thing. I think even might not know about opera because Stephen Have you ever been to the upper yes. I've been to the opera. How dare we know? How dare you? Sir Have Daddy well. I've watched a lot online and certainly is not But it's hokey operas czar silly operas get out. There is what people don't understand in the super cut of highlights that you can find on Youtube. There's two parts one is Joe uh-huh singing in silhouette silly wagging his butt and the other in his implying air guitar on an axe which I think is objectively the wrong call that is all we make. ooh artistically ooh baby making me mad. Joe Grew from up in the whole opera. I aw hate it I hate it so much it makes me so upset. It's much more marriage Koroi than it is. Dolores claiming his much more stupid than it is good. They go on record here. Santa Fe opera. You're on fuck can. You're you're on my list. I'm coming for you. It's you and Roger Ebert. I'm coming coming after you Stephen. I don't even like operas but we especially don't like this I don't I listen. Good Opera fucking amazing but this kind of this bell curve of like okay all right visualize visualize with me here. If you're driving. Don't pay attention to that. Pay attention to what I'm about to describe So this is things that are very campy and versus things that are very classy. So on the far left with things that are very campy and very classy and that's the opera and on the far right you have things that are very campy but not considered very classy and the drag shows rape and what I think I think what we should do. Everything else is in the middle. That's where the vast majority of all media is what I think we should do. Is We should take both ends of that. Bell Curve and pin them together just kind of opera drag. I WANNA drag opera. The I know that it was carry made into an operate should have been. I know as a musical which would have been it. Could've been it should be. I WanNa drag Kerry operas telling you So Meghan they can happen. Harry Opera Santa Fe you can you can redeem yourself. This is your moment. Tell you what. If you're the guy that wrote that opera and you write a drag Kerry Opera Bre. I'll be in it. Yeah fuck man role. Raise money for that. I'll quit my job. I don't care what it takes remake. This happen all right. That's all I had to say about that in to battle the book and so this is going to be really rough because usually we're in agreement about which book is better but this battle. The books is Gerald's game versus Dolores Claiborne. And we're GONNA have ourselves a good old-fashioned disagreement because I think the Gerald's game is just a better book which is tough but it's tough because I know that you you disagree with me. I do disagree with you I. It's not that it's not that Gerald's game isn't a masterpiece. It's that Gerald's game is a lot of good good. And then some flaws I think Doris clayborn is one hundred percent flawless deloris. A word of it was wrong. There's no we had no desirable mentioned Dolores. Claiborne is definitely leaner. I'll give you that. There is no fat on Dolores Claiborne. It is is a a very sinked book which is rare for Stephen King. But I think that a lot of what makes Dolores Claiborne. Good good is sub textual and I think that I prefer Stephen King's writing when he comes out and says things about society about the human condition and there is a shit ton of good writing about the human condition in Gerald's game that goes kind of under the radar in Dolores Claiborne. Gerald's game is a double Venti. Cocoa Cloud Makihata with extra whip cream and Dolores. Claiborne is tall ice coffee black. Yeah and that's I would much prefer the second but I totally understand how versus therapy. There is a lot of frills on Gerald's game. I just think that it takes longer to get to it. Central Point like it doesn't wrap up as neatly. I don't think that like like I think Gerald's game is a tension monster I mean. I've never read a book that has me hooked quite the way that Gerald's game does I was not hooked indoors clayborn. I enjoyed it but I did not feel like I didn't. I didn't get the urge to read that whole book today. You know what I mean. That is interesting I did. I did read it in today's So hey that's nobody's GonNa come out on top this time. I think this might be our first ever draw. We think we know that if I had to do it on different criteria because my internal criteria where which do I like better and why right if I had to do it on Do I recommend it more. Okay like we've done this before. If that's our criteria than I I'm maintaining Gerald's game is the recommendation I would. I would say Gerald's game I would more recommend not a general person who I did not know. Yeah I also it's just tough because my internal criteria is which is more Stephen King and I think Gerald's game is more Steve. Gerald's game is more Stephen King Gerald's game is more emotionally reactive. Yes but instead. I'm that's what I'm into. I love a really like like a book. That really kicks. You know I didn't cry. I laughed doors clayborn but I didn't cry right right man. They're both so God damn good gory. Both of them like so like neither of these books win but we win. We Win Battle of the boot. The let's go to recommended feeding. Why do you start I because I've got something different this week? I'm going with Latinos Auto. Oh parts for more amazing main stuff. So I've already talked about activists in wild woman author. Caroline shoot. She wrote beans of Egypt Maine which she got it. Probably my favorite favorite book. Yeah right so I've mentioned on the show before this is another book by her. It's another voice piece set in Maine about you. Know between nineteen in sixty five nineteen eighty five So it's if the really similar actually it was a lot of things that are just the same these books and so it was an easy pick so I struggled with this one because I wanted to do a voice bees like ideally but what was really important to me was that I wanted to recommend a piece piece that was specifically about a woman over the age of sixty and there is so little representation for older older women that I just. I couldn't think of anything that really personally impacted my life. I mean the only thing that I could think was herald MoD and I haven't watched that in so long that I can't can't in good faith say. Oh Yeah I know that peace will not recommend it seldom modest young boys voice though. Yeah Yeah even then even when it's like a it's is not even really about her So here's what I'm doing is I want to flip the script a little bit and I want to encourage y'all to reach out to me and recommend your favorite stories about and from the perspective of women over the age of sixty. That's what I want from this recommended reading goforth. We'll we'll funnel them through social media as they come through Yeah because we need more more stories stories. Police stories are good. I want more of them. Stephen I would like to immediately answer your call. Oh please show us how it's done so the one. The first thing that came to mind is the song angel from Montgomery by John. Cryan most made famous by Bonnie Raitt. It's a very famous country song Actually it was. It was played at the grammys the other night when John Primeau won the lifetime achievement. Workout Leninist give you the first line. I am an old woman named after after my mother. My old man is another child. That's grown old. If dreams were lightning and thunder were desire. This old house would've burned down a long time. Heim ago Yeah I'm already into that. Thank you Phoenix for media answering the call at you know do as our boy here has done and please send us the recommendations also linked to that saw that do it and we'll we'll maybe put it on social media to when this episode races I'll add it to the S. K. D. C. The spotify playlist still update yet to this Dang. Not One person has ever listened to including the me so if you want you want to follow that at Phoenix. Crockett on S.. KABC the spotify playlist. Let's take it to believe. This is our phone facts. Karner your I go covering. This was the best selling book of Nineteen Ninety two taking place over books by John. Gresham Gresham Danielle Steele Michael. CRICHTON Dean Koontz Dr Seuss and rice and Jimmy Buffett. Margarita Ville unhelpful. 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Westworld | Season 3, Episode 3 Recap: Absence of Field

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Westworld | Season 3, Episode 3 Recap: Absence of Field

"Welcome back to what the Westworld on post show recaps talking about season three of HBO's Westworld Episode Three of HBO's Westworld Season Three the absence of field. I'm Josh Twitter. I'm with joke are fine but Joe who the hell is test atop said. Listen as we sit here and week whatever of the self isolation I'm questioning the nature of my own reality so I'm not quite sure who the Heck Charlotte Hale is in now or anybody is at this point as we're talking about week three of season three of Joe if you can believe it. We are almost at the halfway mark. The halfway markets next week. I mean I believe it and I love it because I do like a an intense short season. I prefer eight episodes to thirteen or or so on and so forth and I think they took two years to make a very very beautiful show that is so thought provoking. It just hits at the right time. Yeah and this was a very cerebral. Not that the show isn't usually very cerebral. But this was a really like internal episode which may be surprising because it was so much about whoever the new show at Hale character is and what they are going through yet not reviewing this character's identity still like that is still a mystery to us. We'll definitely talk with a bunch of the possibilities here on the podcast today and get it was so effective and I think that that's such a credit sure to the writing of course but primarily to Tessa Thompson as an as an actress as a performer. She just such a great job because she's not only playing this new version of Charlotte Hail. Whoever Charlotte is these days but is also giving us some dimensionality to the OG Charlotte Hill. Which was very unexpected to me. I mean I'll have off detested Thompson and also to Evan Rachel Wood. I mean we haven't had a charlotte specific episode yet and we're in season three. Obviously she's been acting her entire life in amazing but I think both of them have elevated their performances. I in a way that is entirely impressive. Yeah really really impressive stuff from tested this week Evan. Rachel Wood Really Greatest Dolores this week and seeing a lot more of Dolores and Caleb together a lot more Erin Paul. Rip George Sadly George. The robot smashed to Smithereens very upsetting. That was a very short-lived disappointing trajectory for George. Well the trajectory was impressive. Right like you know. Bush is really just like a sidestep in down goes George. I guess. They're not that agile yet. Robots if it's a worker drone maybe maeve had hijacked him and put him into riot control mode. That could have been the way to do it. I mean I think we could get to this later. But the fact that George was alerted when Kayla was in peril to me was super cool and indication of the shape of things to come to us one of our favorite titles of our favourite show. Yeah could doesn't does it. Suggest to you like emotional attachment from robot person. Is that something that's possible here with like these non host robots. That's what I think is hinting at just. As we saw the hosts become awake in seasons one into a westworld. Maybe the new iteration of technology gets a conscious high. I've had coffee yes. We're we're recording this early. We're recording this on Sunday morning. Joe And I are able to episode a little bit early so we do not have feedback to get through in this podcast. We do not have a feedback. Show planned for this week. So if you've got feedback from season three episode three of Westworld specifically if you've got theories about who's running around at Charlotte hail as that remains unidentified we'll get into all of that for next week's podcast so please send that in Westworld post show recaps dot com is our email address. You can tweet at us. I'm Ron Howard Joe. Who are you on the twitter machines at GOP knitted which is the word opinionated with J with the J on top of it? You can also send into our feedback. Forum post show recaps dot com slash feedback or tweet at post show. Recaps are all valid ways of getting in touch with us. We'll get through all of your Charlotte theories next week. But I think for now. Why don't we talk about some of our own? Let's talk about what we think is going on here in this week of westworld which is really divided between like Dolores kind of courting Caleb Dolores sort of courting like Charlotte's sanity. I don't know what we want to Sharbat like. Is that just easy for now? Like how do you want to refer? Because he's obviously not Charlotte hail or is she. Is that a possibility because this this character say like it's like she's trying to rip me out of her body like in Charlotte hail still kicking around inside if they're somehow. I'm not quite sure because let's let's go back a step. I had a question for you at the end of season two when Dolores Abernathy left Westworld in the Charlotte hailed body. Okay Meyer Setting. Is that the Dolores Brain Ball was in Charlotte Hills was in Charlotte hails system correct which would indicate that Charleena was a host. Yes no so. This is my. This is my recollection of how that goes down. Bernard Bernard Stops Dolores at the forge shoots deloris at the forge. Yes Bernard is having a moment with. Llc IN THE MESA LC has Bernard freezes motor functions L. C. Goes to talk to Charlotte hail to basically like kind of like setup a deal and immunity thing like I know what you're doing Blah Blah Blah Charlotte hail kills. Elsie Bernard watches. It Bernard has this internal debate with himself. That he believes is actually Ford. But it's actually just himself coming up with the IDEA TO GET REVENGE AGAINST CHARLOTTE. Halen the rest of us and save the hosts and that involves creating a new host body. That's is Charlotte. Hail Charlotte Hail host body. He puts Delors's Pearl into the Charlotte. Hail host body DELORIS AS THE NEW CHARLOTTE. Hail kills the actual human being Real Charlotte. Hale chose a bunch of the other people gets out of the park because it turns Ashley stubs as a host and he lets her pass and then she gets back into the real world and the cold open. This week was showing a little bit of what had come next that. We didn't see we knew that Dolores as Charlotte had escaped the park with five or so. I think it's five pearls. And she designed her own body brought her own original. Deloris warm back to life and it seems put somebody in Charlotte Hail Body and we knew that there was somebody like walking around us. The new show at Hale at the end of season to win. Dolores Brings Bernard Back Online. But we don't know who that Charlotte is at that point and as of this episode we still can just only guess we can only guess who the new Charlotte is. Episode does not confirm one way or another who this character is. But I'm sure we've got a lot of thoughts on the matter. Well follow up question if Charlotte hail skin suit. Dolores left Westworld in sharp sharp charbonnet easy. Why did she create a new Charlotte Hill? Why didn't she use the existing skin suit? What did she do did? She discard the one that she left with. That was confusing to me because the episode begins with like a very clear. Tessa THOMPSON REPLICA. Being created in the Milky Goo. Which I'd I'm sure there's a scientific name but we'll just call it the milky coup and then like showing like the Bernard hideaway right where the bodies like spinning back online. But that doesn't really make sense if just escaped as Charlotte. So is this a continuity thing? Is this just like sort of filmmaking? Wonky nece where that body. That's being spun. Online in Bernard safe haven is her creating her new dolores body and they're just like juxtaposing that in a clumsy way that sort of how. I'm reading it but I guess it's possible that she just burned the Charlotte suit and then made a new charlotte soup. But why would you do that? Well maybe we'll find out. I mean Gosh. We have a couple episodes left. I guess like maybe she's just like making a ton of Charlotte bodies in case like we need like backup Charlotte bodies. That's not the worst idea in the world now. Maybe she's got like three different Charlotte's running around. Can we talk about the brain ball situation and who we speculate? The Dolores brought back because clearly she has she had okay so win win win. Sharp left Westworld. There was the Dolores Brain Ball obviously right Charlotte Hail didn't have rain ball. Sharon health dead at that point right so the new Charlotte Hill that we see in episode three of season three. We have no idea who is inside. Whose brain ball on my speculation. If you will allow me an early theory that is teddy because there are very few people that delores abernathy trusted in the park and the way that the new the new hail talks to her has affection for Dolores. My best guess would be teddy as opposed to Dabur for Nathi. I and I assume Dolores one of the brain ball. She brought with her dad and then she brought Bernard obviously which is the Special Colored Rainbow which he rebuilt him starbucks. Like why did you bring Bernard Back Right? Everyone's got a role to play. Well then there's one brain ball and accounted for. Then we just don't know yes so because connel's has a brain ball right. Congress has been replaced. We don't know we've no idea so. Yeah let's count them out so there's Dolores Dolores has herself there's the charbonnet that's too. There's connel's that's three. There's Bernard that's four and then there's a fifth unaccounted for at the moment. Yes we don't. We don't know who that is yet exciting. Well let's go through the candidates. Let's let's look through like the list. So what's what's start with where you're positing teddy. Teddy Flood James Marsden. He played cyclops in the X. Men that's an inside joke for literally one or two people who are absolutely not listening to this podcast tastic. My brother and I used to sing a song. That went to the effective. Here's James Marsden. He played cyclops and there was more to the Sun. But that was how it started anyway. Sorry I don't know why I'm doing any of that. So you're you're speculating. Teddy and of course Teddy delores longtime star-crossed love he is. He is presumably in the valley beyond last we saw him. But we also are getting the sense this season that Dolores does know where the valley beyond is could. She have changed her mind. Brought him back decides like she really needs him for this but then teddy would have had to have had a pretty big change of heart because he offered himself because he couldn't tolerate what. Dolores misdoing speaking of that. I think one of the big clues that Teddy's brain ball is inside. Charlotte Hill is that she was self harming as you know the last. We saw the teddy offed himself. And so we haven't seen very many if aside stubs. We haven't seen any of their hosts try to kill themselves right right so it could be teddy. Could Teddy Teddy's certainly as somebody who dolores has always said like you're very dear to me like like in season two she's saying. I know how this story ends. It ends with me and you. So is that story over or is it actually ongoing and is teddy been brought back online in the form of Sharbat. I've I've an interview up at dot com slash westworld right now with Tessa Thompson talking about like sinking her teeth into this role this year. And how there's a lot of compelling possibilities that are presented by playing a character like Charlotte where you don't know who she is right now she could be a man like there's a real gender bending element that could be at play here on on the show and whether or not. That's what's happening with Sharbat. That's just a possibility. She goes at length into into sort of like the identity. Issues that are that are being explored here on. West road that she's really psyched about just as a human being let alone as an actress so I I highly recommend the read. I think you'll enjoy what she has to say about. All that I will say what threw me off the scent of thinking. It was teddy inside of Dolores. Is that the smoking. Because I know I don't know if we've seen desktops character smoke in previous seasons of West Road but I thought was. Oh my God. What if it's theresa? Cullen right we. We did see her smoke once. I think I think we see her spoke in that scene. Where she's blinking. Hector Eschaton Bryant. She has theresa comedown so she is smoking there well. Let's let's talk about the possibility that it's Charlotte Charlotte herself. Because if if Dolores has access to the valley beyond and Ceramic seems to be interested in finding dolores because she has that information and presumably maybe still has like the secret project from. Davos so maybe has like all of that resurrected data. Then you assume that if that's correct into Laura's does have that like human resurrected data did she bring Charlotte Hail back and has she somehow found a way to like engender. Charlotte's loyalty like now that you're like me. Do you understand why I'm fighting the war that I'm fighting or would charlotte not be that easily convinced? Whoever is running around US Sharbat at the very least tosses out the possibility that it feels like she knows. I'm inside her body and wants to rip me out CHARBONNET. If it's not Charlotte Hale actually is positing the possibility that Charlotte Hale is somehow still alive within the skin suit. It's interesting. I saw a switch mid episode so when she was when the Charlotte Hale was self harming and questioning her near the nature of reality and she went and demanded to see Dolores and they met in the in the hotel lobby. I don't know what Delors if anything did to her before she went to sleep. Woke up Predator mode is activated. Charlotte mode is activated. It was like it's like she got a shot of Charlotte Hale and it was like that part of her that she'd been fighting it's like she embraced it and you noticed. She was wearing white before and then she changed into black and there is a great thing. Going on this season with there are two sides. What is like what is dark with address that may as white and you have dolores in black and then you had hail in white changing into black. These are very much design and so I just thought there was a definite switch at least Tessa Thompson played it that way after meeting with Dolores totally possible absolutely a possibility on the board. Let's talk through some more because this is fun so so. We have the possibility that it's teddy. I think is a very strong contender. I think Charlotte herself. It's a little harder for me to see like how she gets her arm. Twisted into being on board with Dolores though what we do learn in this episode at the end I thought this was a cool reveal is that there's a mole within. Delo IS RIGHT AND CHARLOTTE. Sharbat is investigating this only to come to realize oh. I'm excited that was that was great. That was great and I thought whoever that is plays does a really good job playing a part opposite ceramic when the two of them have the meeting of the minds so whoever this is somebody who is like amped up to play parts is somebody who is good at playing parts. Teddy maybe like the duplicitous nature is not such as wheelhouse. But we've seen abilities be augmented before we've seen literally. Teddy's abilities be augmented before so it's not impossible that he's just been augmented further. But somebody who we've seen have a lot of argumentation in the past is Clementine Clementine. Is Somebody who was really tight with. Dolores and season to even Clementine is more of like a Husky herself right in season to where she's kind of. I can fall on Zombie mode. But she's part of like the Wyatt Squad and I think it's worth noting that whoever is running around us. Sharbat has a fairly big reaction when she learns that may Malay- is not at the park right. Mavis Pearl has been taken. When they're doing the inventory these two guys come to Charlotte or charbonnet and say maybe not there. The demand and from sweetwater. It's CHARBONNET who says may Malay- has a reaction. Teddy would have that reaction because Teddy and may have interacted before Charlotte Hail. I think would have that reaction as well because Charlotte Hill is aware of Maeve. Depending on at what point in time like they have like Charlotte's memories and certainly clementine would be very hip to WHO Mavis at that point. That's that's an excellent twist and I kind of dig it because I was thinking. Let's say it's Teddy Teddy's brain ball inside of Charlotte and that scene where Charlotte knew Charlotte has to realize. She has to really make her ex. Stop questioning by making out with him and I was like okay. Well it's Teddy. He's got to adapt right. But if it's seventeen it would probably be a little easier. I'm just saying right right Teddy. Might be able to do it though. We know that robot totally totally. Yeah but I thought. Oh that's interesting I like it. I mean obviously in the future. I think there's more fluidity anyway. Here robot just going to go with it. I think that's so interesting but it seems like the entire hail history wasn't uploaded so maybe after She met with Dolores. She just SORTA got started remembering. There's something that happened when they met that we didn't see right. Yeah whatever's whoever's in sight of the CHARBONNET even if it's Charlotte Hail there are pieces of Charlotte that are missing because we do get the. You are my sunshine. My Little Sunshine Song that query charbonnet is not hip to with her with her son Nathan but clearly is like the tell when she plays four voicemails together. That that's like the hey we're calling for you. Yeah that's right okay. Need me loving the future tech between the the self-driving Uber's and the the glasses that they put on Jerry episode. It's the glasses they put on it in the end. You're obviously it's for hologram purposes of the future but also she looks really glasses. That's an aside but I wanNA talk about ceramic for a minute if he has thirty eight percent control of deller shares. It's like a two decade long con- Yup. How could he not be aware? That chart isn't Charlotte. Do you think there is a reality in which he does? He knows everything but maybe he doesn't know this. It's possible that he can sense that this isn't Charlotte and it's to his advantage to let things play out for a little while true. We're or it's possible. And this is why. He's like so alarmed certainly like we saw from him last week that he was coming for. Maeve very specifically thinking that may was in. Dolores seat right like that. May've had done the things that deloris had done and then we find out that that's not the case. So maybe his Intel as it comes to the hosts isn't quite where it needs to be. Maybe that is part of his his his weakness here. One of his blind spots for sure as fully surprised to see Palm Clementine. Forget I've think I've mispronounced her name but I just thought marvel reunion we had mantis and Velcro. That's not but I hope she recurs because I just really like seeing her. Yeah she's Great. She's great what did she say to Charlotte. I hope we can be friends. You work for him for him. Yeah shouldn't you know that we've probably interacted before? So That's interesting I I WANNA keep talking about who could be charbonnet because I think I think that it's really fun to go through the list of characters and try to apply it. Because here's here's like all right so we're thinking about like every single possible character in the westworld cannon. To some extent I think is worth considering. What are the possibilities that it is? If we're saying that like it could be a human right and it could be. It could be Charlotte herself inside of the body of Charlotte that supposes that deloris has access to some of the human consciousness. That has been uploaded over the course of that experiment at the park. What if a younger version of a certain human character has been recorded by Dalos? What if a version of a character who went on to become quite the nasty piece of work but at least once upon a time had very strong feelings towards dolores came online as part of this mission with Dolores. What if it's the Jimmy Simpson version of William the man in black? I love that that totally makes sense to his fidelity to her. Wow Nice one. Young man in black good curveball. Josh knows a little bit about Dalos at this point granted that would be a few decades removed. So you've gotta brush up your but could play the part potentially and if you are mapping him at a point in time where he is close to like still like having a real fondness for Dolores in that period of self discovery and like she catches him up to speed. Maybe he's like Oh man. Yeah I'm totally on your side and then that makes whatever eventual confrontation between Sharbat and the man in black very very awkward and cool. What if you're right? And then after she naps at the hotel she wakes up in full. Old Man William Madame black mode that's why should becomes the Predator and she becomes release. Yeah that could be. It could be. What did you take that scene too? When when when charbonnet kills I forget the name of the Guy Bark at the park and she's choking amount out and it seems like she's having these feelings of like what am I doing? I don't feel so great about being part of this mission like whoever it is that is also something that's worth pointing out that this person seems to have a soft side that this is somebody who to some degree does not feel great about like militant warpath that she has been placed on. That would certainly apply teddy. I think that would certainly apply to Clement. Tyne to Charlotte. If she's like. I don't know that I should be doing what I'm doing. Maybe not so much for William. So that's not a great application for William but then she starts squeezing this guy's throat because he's obviously a very bad dude who wants to do terrible things to Charlotte son as she squeezing is Thursday. Starting to forget who I am kind of remember now got another case for this being Williams brain ball is that knowing orpheus con. If he has a memory of him killing his own daughter in the park he would go at any cost now. Realizing Charlotte Hill has has a child to pretend that child right right. Yeah that's absolutely it. That could that could very very be there fine. So who else is out there? Could it be hector? Sure like it could be Rodrigo Santo. But he doesn't really have any closeness with dolores neither as armistice so like. I think like you can mostly rule out people who don't have a big connection to Dolores. I think like hector could be. Connel's is a possibility right like because he's like very militant and I keys you know. He seems like he's pretty hip to the security training. So could it be? You know a character like that or armistice or Angela right. Is that the name of the one of the hosts from back in the day It could be anyone but I feel like they wouldn't. They give us someone more in her squad in her in her purview. Angelo is part of her purview. But I just don't think it would be like two little Riley was great but I don't think it would be like a huge reveal. Clementine would probably still be like kind of softer reveal clementines much more of a main character than Angela was like Angela. Being connel's I'd be totally on board with that would make sense to me. Yeah A catcher. Ooh So lake. We're talking about how if the Laura's has access to the valley beyond and she plucked out teddy right. Why couldn't she plug out a catch it as well and while they don't have an intense closeness necessarily catch? It always had an eye on dolores as the death bringer. A catcher is one of the most woke hosts to begin with. If he's being brought back with this mission to do something about about host versus humankind might be interested in teaming up with Dolores or is that just like Nah he wouldn't he wouldn't WanNa play ball with her. I put him on the board but lower down. Yeah Yeah what about so. We know that deloris Bill Bernard we know that. Delors built Bernard in a couple of senses. We know that she brought him back in at the end of season two into our world but we also know that she was an instrumental part of the design of him back in the Robert. Four days right that she knew Arnold better than anybody. So Ford leaned on Dolores to bring Bernard online with the with the Arnold components to make him closer to to make Bernard closer to Arnold. What if Dolores made somebody new who is also based on Arnold and there is like a new arnold that is stalking around in charbonnet mode? I like the idea a lot. Because it just opens up seventy with does not have been the one on the mountain bellowing the theory of Charlotte Being Charlie Arnold Child once upon a time. So this would this. Would this would match those things right. Here's Charlie as a new. Arnold like there is a way to connect that if that were the case absolutely and when her ex called her that. I was like okay. Okay come on now. It is Charlie. I'm telling you I have a photo you guys a picture of the after they had playing Bernard's quote child and a picture of Tessa Thompson and they look exactly alike and I will share in poster. Recaps can re tweeted because it is. I am a sticking on that mountain that I believe and this will help. If if there's a showdown in the end and maybe there's a reveal Bernardi. Charlotte used to be related when they were alive. I I'm still going to stay on the mountain man all right so so there's some possibilities out there of just to go over some of the ones that we've thrown out. It could be a new arnold. It could be. Hey Arnold it could be a new arnold. We keep talking about Arnold on this podcast by the way I think. It's three weeks schwarzenegger talk in a row. So it could be a new arnold. It could be teddy. Seems like a pretty popular. Pick be CLEMENTINE. I think also when Shabaab is brought online lake. And she's looking in the mirror like she kind of touches her face was that similar to the CLEMENTINE reverie like. I thought maybe a little little similar to that. I think something that's worth weighing in on certain. Those are four possibilities. There's young William. We have tossed out as a possibility as well. So a bunch to a bunch of joy and we haven't really talked about. Could it be Abernathy. Could it be her father? You don't seem to be too hyped on that possibility. I don't know why I just didn't get that sense. That because just from the the what we know of Dabur Nathi. I didn't see anything that reminded me of him in the new Charlotte. Who knows. I'm wrong all the time. One thing that I think is worth thinking about is so when when Dolores and Sharbat meet at the hotel and Deloris is going to bring charbonnet upstairs and she rents a room and she rents the rooms on either side of the room and Charbonnet says so. No one will notice if you kill me. And Dolores says it's not gonNA come to that but that answer is not entirely soothing is it is not and that does not mean like a not not willing to do that exactly. It also indicates that person and exactly who dolores is and has potentially been killed by or involved with murder before right so somebody who knows to lawyers that well but also somebody who may be deloris is willing to kill for the greater cause and are there people on the list that we would rule out of that like is there a world where she kills. Teddy for the greater good. She's already changed him dramatically once. She was horrified when he died. Would she let go with him again? And also what is death to a host like you kill? Bring him back online. You just start all over again right. Oh the only conceivable kill to me. That she would never make is her dad. So I just feel like she's holding onto that Special Rainbow. We're going to see him in another figure soon. Is there anybody else who we haven't mentioned that? You would consider for a who is running around as charbonnet or do you think. It's one of those people. I think it's one of those people. I helped proven wrong because it's enjoyable but I do think it's one of those people all right. We want to hear your theories per for next week's podcast. I think would be really fun to get into so send them our way again. We're not finishing up. I'm just reminding you. Post show. Recaps DOT COM slash feedback or Westworld. It Post Show recaps. Dot Com or hit us up on the social needs at Ron Howard. At Japan you needed at post show recaps. We should talk about everything that's going on with Dolores and Caleb this week Joe because we're now getting much more of a sense of like what the future world entails for people like you and me and all the rest of US listening to this podcast that you are like the predictive algorithms that like insight is responsible for and everything like that and rehoboth it like charts out what your likeliest outcome is and then like locks you or like moves you into places based on those predictions and because of those predictions there like ensuring that their predictions are gonna come to life like what Iraq says like history finally has an author. So things aren't being left to chance. Caleb is not getting lucky breaks because Caleb has been deemed damaged goods so he's basically just in the trash heap. How depressing it is. It's it's utterly fascinating quite clever and terrifying also just the fact that if you notice it every scene at night especially the streets are empty. It's eerily familiar right now. Assuming this kind of controlled curfew in place but but talking about Keilor's like to talk about the fact that the episode starts really with him saving Delores and ends with her saving him. I also love that because she couldn't stop teddy from killing himself but she can stop. Caleb so there's a the the this version. Dolores is so as learn from her mistakes or is trying to learn from them and is so advanced but I like the parallels a lot with teddy and live at. I don't necessarily know what them to be romantic. But I think that people have this quality so when you have an Aaron working with ever Mitchell would I just think it's fantastic and they work so well off each other so here is another reason why I would love it if Teddy is Charlotte. Because then you have a love triangle between Dolores and Teddy Charlotte and Caleb. Yeah so it's kind of a love quadrangle but it's weird. It's very modern and I'm here for it. I'm the very future. Modern I think would be great. Yeah we weren't a lot more about Caleb this week we've learned that his. His mother had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. He keeps checking in on her at the hospital. She doesn't know who he is. She doesn't recognize him. He tells the story or really deloris tells the story about what happened to cable when she abandoned him his mother and how throughout the strawberry milkshake over at series regular the other. Westworld podcast that I do over at the Hollywood reporter. My co-host Mariah Gallo and I spent a lot of time talking about the strawberry milkshake so we don't have to regurgitate that. I've already ruined strawberry shakes for the series regular audience. If you don't listen to podcasts. I won't do the same for you or I. At least won't double down. Go listen to series regular podcast. Please we would greatly appreciate your subscriptions star Ratings and reviews but Caleb is. We're learning more about who he is in how Like insight has the score on him right like his social standing his mental abilities the likelihood that he is going to take his own life in ten to twelve years in this not only makes him angry. He says I'm in raged. He's so furious about this. That was such a great scene and he could just Aaron Paul at eight he. You can feel it on the screen when he was talking. It was incredible. I loved Sepetu because like I said in the end he is unpredictable. So he's a perfect person to work with when taking over the system. I love the scene in the ambulance because Kayla takes over. He obviously has extensive medical tracy from his time in the military and then I was thinking about the military was. He recruited because he was an assistant because his mother was unavailable to him. And is that how the future the terrible future looking at work? So that's something to think about. Yeah no that's interesting. I mean yeah I think probably people are like molded in certain directions so that would make sense. It's like oh he could be muscle. I wrote this down. Let me see if I can if I can pull it up. Is like what they said about? What his job prospects were at the very best They say e. I'm pretty sure I have it written down somewhere but I have it written down in such terrible okay. Yeah so they say he's restricted to. His occupational score is pretty low and it's restricted to manual and physical labor. So if that's the case then like if there's like militaristic recruitment like maybe they're just like Oh. This guy will be a good grunt right. It seems like he was the military and first reasons unknown to US except probably Francis. He's put in construction upon return from his service. But what's interesting to me and I'm going to get into conspiracy theory time alert. The flashbacks the brief flashbacks we have with with. Caleb Francis indicate possible black OPS missions. They are not in uniform. And I don't know because I am not expert but it seems like in some of the free flashbacks. 'cause I pause the screen. It looks like it's potentially in Russia or that part of the world okay and I think it's not a coincidence that the name that Dolores took on in the new world is from a girl from Kiev right so I'm saying everything by the show is so meticulously designed that there is a weaving of a threat that we have yet to see revealed. Okay that's interesting one thing. That's that's been hanging on on my radar as a possibility and man. I hope it's not the case but I'm just westworld kind of like getting nuts and like you can't help but think about of these things is Kayla host is Kayla Robot because like his mother doesn't recognize him. A is there a reason for that. Is this not like actually like his mom is has. He been programmed to think in a certain direction. Is it possible that he is not a human being or is it even possible that he's not who he thinks he is? Is that a possibility to love that. I thought about that too like you. I hope it's not the case because I think like a lot of viewers. We don't want to be a host interesting to have Aaron Paul in this new world as the most human of everyone we've seen but I want to talk about his military grade drip which is the grill inside out expanders expanders. It's often he mentions this episode one. So does everyone have the ability to turn off their drip? Is it a military situation? Because I feel like it's it is a control and it is controlled by insight. Is it military? Only obviously they said it was of high value. Why was he able to turn his drip off? Yeah good question. What happens if he turns it on tournament? Like terminator just like does it. Like put him in like mega bad ass mode. Yeah I just think it's so fascinating. And one of the coolest things at this episode in the feedback show that I did with the great survivor player in robot scientists Christian Mickey. He tossed out a theory that I think you and I haven't talked about but I think is one to keep an eye on is what if they have those like how. How Jerry in the in the first scene of the season. He goes to sleep and he puts a wafer in his mouth to put himself to sleep. Are these like are. These drips or these things. That people are literally ingesting. Are they controllable? And Dolores being somebody who can control robotics and technology in this way. Is that something that she's going to be able to control and Christians thought was his prediction for the season is Dolores is going to remold humanity to literally like basically program them to look at hosts like Gods and start worshiping. The hosts as gods. Is that something that we could be looking forward to it? The drips once once he insisted that in my brain. I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. What's fascinating at this point? He's going to have as much money as Sarah. The wage rate. She's going and I love. I call them digital communications. Which is the right fit the wafers? Everyone's taking it seems like there are different versions of drugs in them. She could easily take our pharmaceutical company takeover control of that. And maybe that's how it gets distributed worldwide Christian. I love that theory too. I think it's a good. I think it's cool. I think it fits the medically with you know we keep hearing the recurring line in the in the marketing. The new gods are coming right and they're very angry so we're really stressing this idea of the hosts transforming into God like figures you can. You can imagine the scenario where that comes to light. Joe With Delors is interested in Caleb. How much is this? That Delors is kind of surprised to find a really good person and so she sees potential him and wants to team up with a really good human. Because it's challenging her perspective on humanity versus sees in Caleb somebody who she has encountered that has all of these stats on him where he's good for this type of work. He's good for this type of labor. He does not have a long life expectancy he has reasons at least based on insights projections and trajectories and homes insight into the character that he will take his own life at some point that he's depressed on he's looking for something real and true. How much is it that deloris is just looking at Caleb as another fleshy shield that she can throw at the problem is delores actually recruiting Caleb to a good cause here and like actually trying to bring him into something? That's going to matter for him because she sees true like literal soul value in this man. Or is he just a weapon? Is he just like another thing is she? Just another person. Who's using this poor guy? I kind of see it as I think that Dolores Abernathy is very rarely surprised at. I think this is probably the first time in at least nine months that we know of that. She's been off island That she's met someone who could possibly be a quote friend. I'm not sure Tillerson's able to have friends but also but he does serve a purpose. My favorite line is it's not about who you are. It's about who the let you become. That is obviously the crux of the entire season. And so I think she can mold and shape and help him develop into who she needs him to be. I hope so I would rather be that than in her Buick. Yeah you're just another dude and then people were bad because that's when deloris takes the full he'll turn. I think right shippers but I want no romance. I hope that they just work together. I I'd be. I'd be happy with that too right. Yeah for sure anything else from this episode. Joe That you WANNA touch on. Why would they specifically show us at Delo? Which by the way that scene was Charlotte and her heels walking up the famous three hundred. Riot Control Transformer bots and they're at the ready so this is obviously something that Dolores Controlling Charlotte Hale has at her ready. Dolores is starting to revolution now. She has three hundred riot control. Transformers does that understanding. This is a dolores thing. Oh yeah like every time Lake CHARBONNET AT DELLA STREET. These riot control units. They're definitely come in handy like that's not good. You know like yeah. I think the line is all right. So we've made three hundred of these. Saudi Arabia was GONNA was going to buy them but they failed since the incident at the park. We're working on new buyers and Charlotte is like almost like pinching things. Chic and she's like I'm sure we can find some use for them so yeah. This is absolutely this is why Dolores needed Charlotte installed it. They lost to have somebody as starlet. Install the dealers so that she could be making things like three hundred riot control robots. This thing looks pretty intense. This robot is going to kick some serious but if it's allowed to so great I just over all the talk about the look and feel of this episode as much as episode one. This is clearly my favorite episode yet. There's been three but one of my favorites so far because of the Charlotte he'll focus but it had a terminator blade runner. Field with a game of thrones score. I know that remains your Wadi. Does the score for both shows. Dolores Turning Terminator in that this. The streets technology had a blade runner. Field the tone. I just thought this was really cinematic. Beautiful episode of television. One other thing that I think is we're talking about is in the final scene with Charlotte. Serakhs says you're not the only asset that I have that at Daiwa. She says you don't think you're the only person under my control he says to her. Who else would would he have on his payroll at at that we would no? I think it would literally just be like Irene. The woman who keeps coming to. Yeah I maybe I didn't. I just assumed he was talking about Maeve. Oh maybe yeah yeah. He says you don't think you're the only person under my control. So yes so maybe. It's just the information he's got from maeve others. I was GONNA say maybe it's the man in black. We haven't seen the man in black yet. Man Black still often the future somewhere. Ed Harris getting paid and not having to show up to work pretty cool deal. That reminds me. I forgot to ask you when when to Charlotte that you have to visit an old friend. It was a threw. Threw me off because that's rock because even though Chirac's thanks Charlotte him go way back. I think she's talking about men and black. I assume in next episode that Charlotte is GonNa have to visit William in some way shape or form which is crazy if the theory that young William is Charlotte. 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Dolores wow you were pissed tonight I was so mad. I was really pissed off. I hit my breaking point. you did. When did you realize the women were talking behind your back about david at what point when melissa said you know i don't wanna tell you i don't want you to hear from somebody else but we were talking about you before you got here and we took a poll about the car in the ring. I don't remember the words. 'cause i blacked out after that but you know what it is anti. It's a principal things with me. You could talk to me about it. You could talk to our close circle about it. But i didn't know those people at the party right. It was in mixed company. A new jersey jersey girls got some rules. Jennifer holliday said. Why are you always so concerned with whether dolores has a ring on her finger. Not if she's telling you all the she's content. Why not just believer. Well now. i do absolutely when it first. When we first heard it think we were under the impression that she wanted a ring in order to solidify the commitment and then when she changed her tune changed along with her and by the way when that was taken. I voted for the porsche. Okay warsh an doctor like why do we need a ring at this win in our lives. Hasn't she done that already. Now the ring you have to give back you can keep the porsche a really odd. You know you can't give the you don't have to the jeweler. You have unless the when the ring is given as a gift for any occasion they can keep it or on holiday. Yeah ooh something like that. Yes something like that dolores. Emily age said after the tea party. Did your mom of anything to say privately about your psychic reading since jennifer spilled the beans now. My mom didn't say anything. She hasn't said to me before she likes david but she likes david but she's she thinks i should move on at some point which she's not wrong but when i'm ready i'll do it or i won't whatever jennifer grace are emailed. What do you think about. Margaret cracking jokes about the first time having sex with joe while he was married. I mean i just thought that was highly inappropriate but that just goes to show you her core values as opposed to mind. Oh boy well. Dolores may have stormed out of a party tonight. But she's about to walk right into some shady situations about her friends. Dolores it's time to turn the tables on your judgy powell's tell me something. Melissa puts up with her marriage that you never would while you know he he. I think he doesn't like when she goes out with her friends. Or something like teams or even unconsciously. She walked ahead of him and he got mad at her for that. She didn't mean to but he was offended by that. So yeah. I haven't dealt with that in a really long time. That's not something. I would deal with that this age if you were margaret. Would you crack jokes about your marriage beginning in an affair. Well i guess if margaret does it then it's okay for her. Would you continue to defend your ax. Instead of standing up for your family like theresa continues to stand by. Joe jude is i i know. Why theresa does it because she wants peace with her daughters. Do you judge melissa for not intervening telling joe to cool it when he was calling you a broken woman who shows party. I don't all now. That was my. That was my conversation with joanne. I'm happy everyone. I'm happy that she stayed out of it. Is it weird. That margaret picks out. All of joe b.'s. Close now some men need a little help. Did you judge jennifer forgetting so hammered. Theresa's pool party. I thought it was hysterical. Should melissa not have revealed anything about theresa's new boyfriend or did she reveal just enough while if teresa didn't want anyone to know she shouldn't have revealed any all right. Thank you very much. We'll even though both them. I guess are real housewives of new jersey. They both had vastly different seasons case in point one of them was just gifted a car by your man while the other threw up all over her dance car after. Oh pool party. So i want them to change lanes for a little housewives swap. Let's see how you would handle each other's drama. Dolores do agree with jennifer's mom that she's openly or dad. Guess you do jennifer. Would you have felt. David gave you a worst to buy himself time or just appreciated the gift. I would've appreciated the gift. dolores did. Margaret crossed the line by essentially saying jennifer subservient bill because he funds her life. All i'm gonna pass on that one. I'm going to pack. The answer is obvious. well. I love guy elephants. This is what happens. I know that you love mobile for his money. Or whatever reason she's with joe for his sex or whatever it is. I am with my husband because i'm with my husband. Not because of his money. I think we all know that those things were definitely set in an argument. I was sitting there. You guys were both hitting below two. Yeah but she was worse than me. She was hitting below her husband's belt by yelling at him in front of everybody and i called her out on it which is something. She has done to me all season by the way she could dish it out by can't take classic march both. Hold your own both. Hold your own gender bank statement. Melissa poked fun at. I don't need anyone to defend me. This is absolutely true. Jennifer melissa pokes fun at deloris crying more about her dog than the psychics. Revelations about our relationship. what's your take. I was agreed agreed. I didn't understand when i first saw the the cry. I thought it was for david. It took me a minute to catch like wait. That was for the dolled. The dog was very important. Though i i remember her telling stories dog dog lover understand. Yeah dolores do you buy jennifer's apology margaret about misunderstanding. The situation between margaret and her former boss. Yes i do jennifer. Is it weird to you. That dolores hitter impending plastic surgery from david until the last minute it is but she also said if he doesn't put a ring on it then he doesn't really have the right to have to know so. I guess that dolores does jennifer needs to be more of a disciplinary with her kids. She can never get them now about. Oh i don't know i was. I was really rough on my kids. Jennifer i- wise. It's i don't tell anyone parent jennifer. Would you been as offended as deloris was if the group and taking all of the status of your relationship absolutely especially if somebody called me. Broken in denial. Yeah i'd be. Dolores you agree. The jennifer going live on social media complain about needing a new housekeeper wasn't the wisest decision given the pandemic not because of the pandemic. It's because you want to know who. You're hiring and usually go through a company. But i i spoke with her earlier and she was having a hard time finding somebody. It wasn't about getting it wasn't about hiring anani. It was alive in a moment in time. And i started benting about the nannies that have been coming through the revolving door and i thought it was funny so wasn't solicit nannies. I would never take that. She knows that all right okay. I'm going to leave it there. Thank you very much ladies for that housewives swap dolores rita h wants to know if you agree with jackie that joe going on and on about you. Being broken was really just to send a message to melissa. I had a lot to do with it at the time and what they were going to. Yeah i do agree with jackie. That was a good statement. Jackie gen murderous pods said you shame march for sleeping with their boss because she felt pressured as a young woman. Then you call her a slut or slutty on twitter. Why are you offended when she defends herself and gives you a taste of your own medicine. This comment was in response to her calling me sloppy and it was a play on words and it was not even in reference to. Her boss was in reference to every other man she boasted about. So don't call me spotty. Don't call me sloppy unless you want me to call you slutty. Let's take some questions. From virtual audience samantha as a question for dolores samantha. What's up andy. The lawyers all my guys. They you thank you so much of course. How did you feel hearing jennifer say tonight. That her husband at the doctor and her husband can make time for her unlike david. It's not really apples to apples. If you ask me. it's not it's not at all But you know i as you see. I was fed up at that point with my friends about a relationship. It's okay for me. When i said the first ten times i said it was okay for me. It should have been okay with them. Okay lauren as a question. For jennifer andy i i. There are so horrible jersey housewife and house hosted questions through jennifer. What was your reaction when you saw jackie talking to her mom about how. Your house is like the taj mahal but with a high mortgage and no furniture. I found it interesting. Because actually i don't have a mortgage. I paid for this property cash and we built it halfway. We fade with thank check and the rest was the construction though and to finish the builds. So i actually have a mortgage check that attorney and you just got all new furniture. I noticed it looks great d. Gallery stuff you got rid of you. Got rid of your thrones a lot. I gave it a lot. I kept some. I had to andy. It's my signature. Yes we're we're we're we're we're up to. You had a lot of extras to. She had a lot of extra games around. She said little chance. I love it. Yes yes okay. Thank you virtual audience. Yes thank you okay. By the way jennifer samantha and said she needs an update on your parents. how are they. Did your mom ever get to visit turkey. My mom still has not gone to turkey. She is planning to go sometime this month. My dad is still living with me. He's very happy here. My mother and i are not on speaking terms. We are both okay with it. Okay wow okay we got. This is tiffany. Loves to shop on twitter said. Do both of you ever get tired of co-signing theresa's every move. Do you think that you defend her. No matter what. Dolores honest with her and i feel. Jennifer is to We tell her when she's wrong. Do i don't know. I don't know when i defend her. I tried to explain. Maybe nobody was saying no. Yeah like if somebody wants to say why did she do that. I'll explain why. I think she did it since i've known her for so long but i don't say it's okay or wasn't wrong. When frank senior lost a bet and kiss show gorkhas bare ass on the driving range tonight. I thought that's one way to get a hole in one. So in honor of the very very close bond between the jersey man. Let's talk about the husband's ladies. I have questions. Make your answers between the bobbing heads of the jersey. Dudes joe gorgon. Jobe frank senior. Bill and evan who has the best body ladies dolores. I'll i think frankly sanya i think bill aiden. That's my life. Who has the best sense of humor dolores. Oh they're all plenty. They're all finding different time. I just all jennifer. I mean. I would say might have been. I want to repeat myself. That i will say joe gorgan because i find his inappropriate jokes so entertaining. Okay who spoils their lady. The most loris la then jennifer. You're gonna say bill aiden. Yeah bill laden. Who is the biggest gossip of this group jennifer I would say maybe bill aided okay. What about you dolores. Same building who's the most whipped by their wife. Dolores shocker part of it. Is i would say Joe gorka interesting. What about usually show joe benigno all day every day. If you're willing to wear those shirts on behalf of your wife that is true. What's wrong with those little golf shirts. They're amazing it's just so obvious in his wife trust him Okay who's the most fashionable deloris. Bill laden consuming. You agree john. Who's the biggest cheapskate deloris. You mean cheap in money cheap. Yeah oh god none of them they're ballers there you know. They say. Go out. And yeah i think any of the cheap really. Who's guilty of being chauvinistic dolores. Guilty out well. It looks like joe. Borge these days but joke orga but i don't mean that as a negative or an insult it's it's where he comes from here. I don't think you mean it often as chauvinistic but he has but he has old school does it verbalize. It righties doesn't articulate what he's trying to say right and it comes up and it sounds really bath. Who's the worst influences the rest of the guys. Joe borge joe. That's the first big dick energy who has the most big dick energy. Jen i mean when you brag about something too much. You know outs to protest too much. So i'm gonna say Who claims to have the biggest one job orga. But i only know my own and i only know care about bill aiden. Dolores who has the most be d. e. has to be Tarzan tarzan okay. Part go okay. Well thank you ladies and while we're on the subject don't miss all the jersey guys they're going to be on this show a week from tonight. It's the real househusbands of jersey. That starts at ten o'clock on may fifth jennifer. Debbie wants to know if bill was mad at you for telling everyone that margaret's husband said he heard the oven rumors. Were the guys mad at him for telling you he doesn't care he's the biggest gossip tells me everything. Well you guys are made for each other delores. Reagan m. texted. Why do you think. Jackie continued to talk about your relationship status with david. Even after you went off on the group for talking behind your back you mean when i left the party. Yeah i was thinking i was mad about that. Because a lot of people had said a lot of things about jackie's relationship and she had gone through a lot. This season and i was really there for her. I felt like. I was so when i as upset as i was when i left. I didn't like what she had to say programming. Note tomorrow night on for real the story of reality tv. We're covering the most shocking moments from shows like bad girls club. Fear factor and botched join us tomorrow night at nine o'clock on e. It's a bird it's a plane. It's time for watch what happens six today. Today is national superhero day. Thought we could celebrate. That made up holiday by making up some superheroes of our very own. Here's what we think jersey women would be called if they were superheroes i up. She says her superpower is tasting sweet. And i'll take your word for it. It's theresa aka the pineapple punisher. Our next wife. We'll have you dodging flying charcuterie. It's melissa gorgon. As she sees next up she has the power to make contractors weaken the knees. It's marge as the relentless renovator and she's got superpowers out the nose. It's jackie is the analogize irv. Our next superhero is a super spender. It's jen aka the incredible credit limit. You can also trust our last superhero to sting you with their tongue. Dolores says this scumbag scorcher honestly. The avengers could never a foul. I wanna dolores and jennifer familiar. We'll see you night. We got lionel richie at ten fifteen. We're taking this party to twitter live. Join us dare. Now thanks ladies. Hey guys it's eric and meghan here from the daily dish podcast you know. There are so many bravo at weddings. So little time. 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Hello what is your question. And hi andy My friends all call you father andy. Because you're on that level home. I love all of you but my question is for jennifer. I love the red first of all we route twit xactly in. Actually my favorite relationship on new jersey is you and dr bill. I love dr bells so much. I think he's so sweet. You knows how to party and easy doctor. So like what's not to love. I want to hear about your guys very first dates so we went to sushi. Samba and i was the girl that vowed to never ever in her life. But i've learned that you must be pleasant on a first date especially if you want to land the big catch that it was because he was hot and studying to be a doctor. And that's all i needed and when we went to sushi samba. I just thought i would order chicken teriyaki the whole time and he looked at me in the classy debonair. Man that he is he said. What am i just order some sushi and we can share and of course it was like okay. That's what i wanted anyway. Yeah no. I didn't and he fed me sashimi. That looked like slimy vagina on rice. But you know what. I ate it and downs it with wine and i landed me a has been to take notes. Be sushi sushi. Since i've grown to like actually yes. I'm a team player. And i do things for my husband for love. Who has a question for dolo the audience. Yes the women on the second to right on the top Hello what's your question handy. I ball we love franken bill. We're obsessed thank you so questions for both of yale. Would you rather be roommates with ramona on a cast strep or be pushed in the pool by marge at a party. Dolores rather pushed in the pool be pushed in the pool. You know i have to say. I met ramon and the other night at a party and i thought she was going to be. Ultra roots me because of what. Everybody told me and she was super nice. She asked for picture and if somebody asked to be that she was so i was i. Even it was One of my friends who was in town for his birthday he was at this woman who is a movie producers apartment in the upper east side and i went into rinta was there and i met your window for the first time and she was amazing and when i met ramona and she was nice to me i actually told her i thought you were going to be mean which is and she she. She was stunned for a second. That i said this to her face and i'm like oh no but i'm going to tell people that you're nice. Consider so nice and she was. She was fine. So i'm only nice to people who are nice to me andy so i'm fine with it. Wa ramona all the way. Wow deloris next time. She won't remember your name. That's what i told. That's what people are telling me. But you know what i value right. She was good to me. Nobody for that she was she was in a good mood. That andrea was awesome too. I have to say. I love it when housewives nine that. Yeah like i lo- you're there to dolores. I was there. Because it's dolores. And i she dilworth introduced me to the person whose whose birthday was. Yeah we went through and then deloris was. How was ramona to you. And you saw her she was. I don't think she knew who i was. At first maybe but she was nights later on later on she was she was telling me i have to get delight. See yeah. I didn't know this but when i said a lotta were was just like oh hi part you. You know her the best like not. She's exactly as she appears. I mean i mean. She was saying consistent consistent. Yes are i. we're gonna leave it there. I want to dolores and jennifer. There's more jersey coming up next wednesday and don't forget to watch the husband's right here next wednesday night. thank you. That was fun. Thanks for listening to the podcast. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. Remember new episodes. Go live monday through friday at four. Pm eastern time. Make sure your subscribe to have a great rusty or night.

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Heroines Week Dolores Huerta (3-4-2021)

Chompers

03:21 min | 2 months ago

Heroines Week Dolores Huerta (3-4-2021)

"Rise and shine. It's time for chomping at night to rushing show surp- rushing on the top of your mouth on one side and brushing little circles each team. It's heroines week. Where every day we tell you the story of roic woman from history. Today's heroic woman is dolores huerta. Who helped farmworkers be treated fairly by the people they work for. Lou the laura sweat the grew up in california and a family with mexican heritage. Doors is father worked on a farm helping to pick the fruits and vegetables. Their family didn't have much money. But dolores was a smart hard working student and she grew up and became a schoolteacher. Switch rushing to the other side of the top of your mouth and brush all the way to the molars in the back. The lawrence taught school in california near the place where she grew up and so she noticed that the kids in our class were too hungry to pay attention. Many of the children were sick and some of them didn't even have shoes to wear these. Were the children of farm workers and the children were hungry and sick because the farm workers weren't being paid enough to take care of their families switzer rushing to the bottom of your mouth and keep brushing lawrence found out that the farm workers were not being treated fairly by the owners of the farms. She decided to help them. Organize a union. A union is when people come together to demand to be treated fairly by the people they work for. Dolores helped the farm workers organized a strike that means they refused to work until the farm owners agreed to treat the workers. Better switzer rushing to the other side of the bottom of your mouth and brush your front teeth to the laura's and the farm workers marched in the streets chanting see slipway which means yes. We can in spanish with the workers on strike. The farm owners had no one to work on their farms and pick the fruits and vegetables. Finally the farm owners had to give in an agreed to pay the farm workers fairly and treat them with respect and because of her courage and compassion deloris wick. That is today's chompers heroin. That's chompers today but come back tonight for more heroines from history until then one. Thanks to our sponsor cheerios. Hey grownups with a happy heart powered by honey nut cheerios. You'll have the positivity needed to be good do good and spread good beyond the breakfast table and into the day ahead cheerios. Good starts with happy. Hearts chompers is production of gimblett media.

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Dolores Claiborne (1992)

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32:31 min | 1 year ago

Dolores Claiborne (1992)

"Everyone in Metairie is back. As is Katie's Schaefer. She has been joining me for quite a few episodes here. You had three in a row Katie. And you've done Gerald's game and now we're talking about Delors clayborn the nineteen ninety-two novel today. What is it about this string Of King Works. That made you want to discuss all of them. Almost it's such an interesting period because this is really a after he's completely come out out of his drug ears you know and it's some very interesting and different work. He took a lot of chances in during this. It's time and whether you like it or not is very personal But and some of them are not the best we shall say but I still think it's very interesting to explore especially the Combo of Gerald's game and Dolores Claiborne. Because they were written like back to back and they have a little a bit between them that I found very interesting. Yeah and too quickly breakdown. Delors clayborn this book was written in a bit of a different style. Instead of there are being many chapters which we often get a king novel. There are zero chapters in this book. It is just one whole giant chunk of writing which which I found a little jarring but then when you consider the fact that this is one of his shorter novels it's even shorter than Gerald's game at least my copy was yup. You you get this sense that he's just trying to tell this big narrative and doesn't want to chop it up and go back and forth really instead. Dolores is the one telling the story. It's written from her point of view she's talking to the cops and she just goes on and on and on and she jumps around in the story as as far as time periods. Go You kinda get some stuff here some stuff there and this sort of back and forth to where you do have to do a little work of keeping track of everything. She sang because she says so much. But I think it was a very interesting take on a different kind of character work. From Gerald's game yes. It's the same level of character investigation. Almost like the deep dive into one person It's that same kind of thing but done in such a completely different style This one I listened to on audio book for the most part I went back and forth between the two like I do and I think that what is probably one of the better ways to consume this book especially because this one The one on audibles read by Frances Sternhagen who is in the golden years. Nice the wife and the golden years and she's amazing and she does such a great job with this and so it felt more it was just easier to get used to that style. Dial because it's someone reading it to you lake. Dolores is telling the story to the COPS in the book so I really enjoyed it for that reason season but it is a unique way of telling a story that I haven't read too many other books that have done this kind of thing where it's literally you just almost a transcription. But it worked for me. And I don't know if it's solely because I listened to most of it on audio book or because it just would have worked for me artless. Did it work for you for the most part it did. I think the lack of chapters was something that I was kind of like. Oh I get the feeling I'm going to be a little. Oh exhausted by the end of this even though it is a shorter book just because of the way it was written but I still liked it overall and I'm glad that you brought up the audio audiobook. Because I had no idea. France Stern Hagan read that and she was in misery with Kathy Bates who ends up playing Dolores Claiborne in this. So there's just all sorts of Stephen King being ties just by having her read the audio book for this right which is always fascinating. How those things come together and I I want to talk about the tie to Gerald's game right off the bat here just because you had mentioned to me that there was a tie in this and I wasn't expecting it to be quite as prominent as it was because I was expecting just a little mentioned but there's like a whole section on it? You're like WHOA. WHOA WHOA slow? Oh down you know deloris just give me a minute right. It's surprising because it is. It's just this little. I think there's like two little snippets Tippett's and Gerald's game about it and then you see those snippets from Dolores is perspective and it feels like they're like deloris Chris and Oh my God. What's her name? Jesse Jesse thank you. It feels like Dolores and Jessie are connected in those moments and I love. I love that it you know. There's the scenes when the day of the eclipse when both books have a pretty climactic events happening and then or big changing events should say. And there's the day where Vera dies and that is set up as the day. Okay that Gerald's game the events in Gerald's game take place and I can't remember if in Gerald's Game Jesse has that Like connection but we do see that Loris that she thinks about her and thinks that she's in trouble and I don't know if it's it's certainly not necessary to have those two connections but it kind of feels like he had this. He had these two ideas for like what happens during Hanna clips. What what are two things that could go wrong? Or what are People GonNa do during the darkness of the day and he puts them together and I think king just likes to connect his stories because obviously he has a huge world with dark tower series. But I found it interesting. Especially because these two stories are about women Women in very different places in their lives who lead completely different lives. And and it's it's rewarding. I guess as regular reader of his work when you get those little tidbits what I found very interesting about that was the fact that that Dolores knew something bad was going on but because she had so many problems of her own. She didn't do anything about it. But you almost feel like six. She would have been more sympathetic to what was happening with Jesse because of what happened with her daughter but when those two things don't really collide until she's telling this story you're like okay. Obviously she got rid of her husband in a way that made it look like an accident but wasn't totally only an accident so you know. She had a lot on her plate at the time. But you would think because of Jesse's age and it seemed like she was relatively Tivoli close in age to her own daughter at the time they might have been only a few years apart desks they were. I think it's four. It felt like deloris could have done something to you either. Stop that or just you know. Tell someone but given her circumstances she probably didn't WanNA talk to any authority figures at all rate especially about some things so outlandish you know who's GonNa believe her and she had no way of finding her and I think it was this moment of like like she knows this little girl is going through this and it's almost like dolores is enacting. What should have happened? The to Jesse staff had on her own husband. And and that's why there's that connection because Dolores is doing the thing that the Jesse's bomb should have done instead of being you know crazy jealous of her daughter like a Weirdo. Yeah so moving. Onto was the general plot of Dolores. Claiborne it really felt like even though the main point of the story is that Dolores really spilling spilling her guts about everything that happened over a period of time. You get a sense that she went through so much that by the time you you know. She's sixty five in this. She is just so tired of keeping everything in and she becomes a complete chatty chatty cathy no pun intended Kathy Bates placer. But you have this character who has been holding so much in for quite some time time from what we can tell and her daughter goes a long stretch of time without seeing her not necessarily because of one thing but just the accumulation relation of so many different things that happened when she was a pre teen and teenager right. There's this distance between them because of suspicion shen that her mother killed her father because of what her father was doing to her. And that you know obviously it. Very much upsets her. Because we don't get to see and unlike in the movie we don't get to see anything with her daughter we just see Dolores perspective Of It because her daughter hasn't been back in twenty years so it's it's kind of Somewhat unreliable narrator unreliable but like the narrator doesn't know Oh what's going on and so we're kind of just left to guess and I would've liked to see more with the daughter but because of how king is telling the story there's just not that opportunity and even though you know Dolores did something horrible. It's really something that was understandable but salina's truly the one you feel bad for the entire time deloris is giving this extremely lengthy confession most of which doesn't really have to do with confessing to anything. She just had to tell the story story in her own way and in her own time which is made pretty clear right off the bat so I like that you get a look at these different right characters in her life through her eyes. Because you don't necessarily get that we get it with Gerald's game but in a different way because Jesse isn't speaking to someone she simply by herself whereas Dolores has a lot to confess overtime. And you'd think something fishy fishy is going to happen with Vera and it doesn't and then you're like okay. That's kind of a relief because even though Vera could be horrible to her vera didn't hurt hurt her in the same way. That Joe did right. Vera is a complex character and their relationship is very difficult but not in a way. That's abusive necessarily. I mean she stands up to Vera pretty not early on in her career but she stands up to her at one point in that dramatically changes their relationship and then as she becomes dolores becomes more involved with veras life if as her her companion her caretaker. And eventually the only person who really connects with Vera at all. It allows us us to see vera in an entirely different light as like a fragile being and someone that we feel sorry for despite her being in her own words wretched Rachid Bitch and it's so well done their relationship. And how over the course of the book Vera Vera changes and then when nothing happens between her well when dolores it becomes obvious that Delors didn't have anything to do with fierce death. It's it's almost poignant. Lake that little bit of conversation went after Vera has fallen down the stairs before she dies and Dolores talking to her and How she relates? That is such very feels very real for the relationship that these two women have had and what we know about era especially when we learn more later after does she dies. Yeah you really get this sense of WHO. Dolores was throughout almost her entire life. Maybe we don't get quite as much of her childhood right but at least from adulthood after she married Joe had the kids and started working for Vera. You really understand the struggles that she went through. WHO and how? Both Joe and Vera treated her and how the kids kind of reacted to are mostly Selena after she finally get Selena to to confess what is going on between her and her father and it's really a powerful narrative that gives you this insight into one person's life and how all of these different people affected it in very different ways. You know at the end when Vera dies you can tell that. Even though they weren't always nice to each other they had this unique kind of relationship and Vera. Understood what it was that Dolores was going going through especially when she's like you know husbands have accidents all the time. SORTA thing you can tell. There's this underlying tone with Vera that what makes you know that she understands right great because they've B- They had done the same thing just in different ways and we see the price that both of them are paying and so they're both going through some pretty horrendous internal pain pain and both of them know it about the other even though they never really talk about it they have that one conversation before dolores does has it when Vera pretty much is like probably get rid of that guy he sucks and then afterwards. It's like this silent connection connection that they have that allows them to bond in a way that typically a housekeeper and a person who employs the housekeeper. Don't have usually I would imagine especially in that kind of woman like that's not a relationship that develops into what deloris and Vera have by Later on in various life. Yeah quick question for you. Do you think that Dolores was always sort of this strong woman who was willing to stand up for herself even though we know that Joe beat her she still had sort of this pride or do you think she was just a character of her circumstances and that was what allowed her to overcome and sort of become this more powerful character as she tells Sir Story. I think it's I think in the text of the book it becomes clear that she's always been allowed mouth. Opinionated woman I think his has. She talks about herself when she's younger and not being quite as willing to stand up for herself but she's always willing to have her say 'cause her and Joe have those first few conflicts that she talks about early in their marriage and as she becomes more confident she fights back against him but she always talks back in. She's always Sassy as he says over and over again and I think that becomes. I think that that allows her to grow into the character that we see by the end of the book so both really yes. That's really how I felt about it too because it wasn't that she didn't want want to stand up to joe of those years. It's just that she had the kids to think about. And there were all these other factors going into her just sort of Staying and taking the beating. And that's something I think you see with a lot of domestic abuse victims. They keep coming back and it's not necessarily that Delors had tried to Aleve. She just tried to outsmart Joe and find the perfect time to leave but then you know he goes and he takes all of the kids money you know their college fund and everything everything like that and he thinks he's outsmarted her now so you have this sort of battle of the wits going on at one point in time during the story and it isn't even the fact that he hits are it's just the fact that he sucked so much all around you know he's he's not just one way all the time and that sort of who he is. He tries to add smarter. He beats her. He's you know molesting thanks Alina. So he's done more than one thing to justify her leaving and honestly to justify his quote unquote accidental death. Great great you do not feel bad for Joe. I didn't feel bad for Joe at any point. Even when he's down in the bottom of that while I was like Maybe don't try to rape your daughter in the this won't happen to you. Everybody but I think you're totally right. That like this is she is very much a representative of what domestic violence. How victims of De Event domestic violence react to their abusers? And especially at that time you know this is set in the sixty s like it was and she addresses it in the book that like it was not got it was normal for men to hit their wives because they were viewed more like some something thing between a child and an adult women were not given the same rights the same respect the same anything that they are today because because of the time period and just out the world was even in America and King does a really good job of portraying that and Dolores has to feels like she she has to overcome that training and socialization in order to reach the place where after he hits her with the piece of stove wood which is really what starts the whole problem like that scene is what is the catalyst for everything that comes after. And because if he hadn't hit her with the stuff would she wouldn't have smashed him with the creamer pot and you know he. He wouldn't have become impotent because of the change in their status and relationship and so on and so forth and he gets what he deserves because and and even more so as it continues. You see that. He has no remorse for what he's done from hitting dolores to attempting to Rape his own child. Exactly I wanted to also get your thoughts on the fact that you have Dolores having this conversation station with the cops but we never get the cops responses or questions or whatever you kinda just have to guess what they asked Based on Dolores his answer so what did you ultimately think of not even letting those characters have a voice that part I oh I kind of felt mixed about it okay. Same here because in the audio book like it's stops it during those periods like when she asks for a drink like everything pauses and you hear like clink of glass and the bottle filling and someone sipping and then the story continues. But you don't hear any voices you don't hear Andy or frank or Nancy talk they're just you know referenced by Dolores and so it was a little when those bits came. It was a a little distracting but it also contributes to helping it feel like helping it feel like what it's supposed to be that she's confessing or getting freeing herself of this story that she's been keeping under wraps for so many years so I don't know if it would have been disruptive to have them because they're not important they're just the people she's telling the story to it was a little jarring at first. When I was reading it I was like wait? Why is she not letting people talk or answer? What's going on here and because the book doesn't really have those positives you know that there aren't even any like paragraph breaks or anything in the book you get this sense that okay? Dolores just wants to get in and get out and tell her story but then because of the length of it. You're like well that can't be the case so it was definitely an interesting choice on King's part to not have any of the other characters speak and you just have to sort of decipher what they're asking Delores or what the responding to her questions with and I think that would be distracting in the audiobook especially though because all of a John you just sort of have these sound effects like okay great. She asked for water. We could you know just moved on. Yeah Yup sometimes they make choices like that. Ns Machine King King Audiovox. I haven't noticed that very many others. But there've been a couple of others especially the needful things audiobook that had some musical drops in it that I was not not prepared for not prepared for it all I was like. Why are we playing happy Banjo? Music during one of the most horrific scenes but anyways yes it it kind of contributed to feeling disruptive and when I was reading the book as opposed to listening and those events would happen. It flowed a little better because there weren't these random stops pauses so I kind of feel both ways about it that I don't know what the best way to do. It would have been. I think king wanted to have a a flow to the story and to have the only perspective that we see and the only input in the novel to be from Dolores in in the same way that in Gerald's game up until the end I thank and then the very beginning when Gerald. They're the only person we hear from is Jesse. Yeah so because if these those two novels are very much intertwined even though we only see little bits because there are about women because they're about women going through a really traumatic experiences and so I think that was probably why he did it that way but apparently it was supposed to be a transcript. Opt of her statement. And that's what we're reading which would expo- guy those characters aren't in it and you know I just read this literally right now so okay okay so a lot more sense now because when you're taking someone statement you're not including your questions to them or anything like that it's simply a transcript of what they are saying what they're confessing to and this is a very very long statement it makes me wonder how long long they all spent in that room right like did they have to take a break and go to bed look. This is a very long story right and Nancy taking. I'm not like your hand would die hand. Just fall off. Yeah even if she was you know typing on one of those little stenographer things where it's all the shorthand that comes up or whatever you're just like wow that is so much to take note of hours I think by the end. She says she's been talking talking for like four hours or something because it updates it throughout and oddly enough it was it was pretty well timed with the Audio Book Lakewood. She'd say we've been talking about two hours. I would look Mike about two hours into the book. Maybe a little more fun. I found that interesting and I wondered. Did they change. This is to match or was king. Just really good at. You know thinking you'd take me about two hours to read this aloud so that was a funny weird tidbit. Maybe maybe he did that while he was going it. Would you know pause his writing reading aloud and he like Oh. Let's fig note the time and I think it took longer longer than four hours to read this book. Even though it wasn't that long and I think a lot of it had to do with the way that Dolores speaks because some of the words I was like hold on. I gotta go back and make sure I got that word right. Yes yes because it's written in a very Oh there's a phrase for how you when you're writing in in the Diet in Dialect Act Emerson Irvine Welsh did it a lot in his early books. trainspotting and stuff and that. That was a Welsh accent. So real hard to understand their Scottish accent. So it's real hard to understand and this has those same things. Everything is spelled phonetically and you're like And she'd use all these great little a colloquial terms and phrases and all of that stuff and it was like. I wonder if this is how king talk. 'cause it's just it feels natural within the story right as someone who obviously doesn't live in the middle of nowhere main. I have no idea if that's how mainers actually actually talk or not. Yeah before we start wrapping things up. I know this was a bit of a shorter book. So we're GONNA have a bit of a shorter episode here but I do want to also talk about the supernatural to this because we brought up the eclipse earlier. And that's when Dolores starts getting these sort of visions. It's not that she necessarily directly sees what's going on with Jesse and I think that's important to note because it's too telepathic. Visions that sort of have linked these two together. And it's never really explained which I thought was a little weird. It's one of those things where we discussed a needful full things. How Alan Pangbourne has powers by the end of the novel? And in this you're kind of like so distillers have powers. I'm a little confused is what's going on with this sort of supernatural element here. Yeah I kind of took it as lake. It was that it was kind of linked to the eclipse that like that that was the catalyst for the two of them having these experiences remorse. Dolores has them 'cause Jessie only like to And I eh wasn't sure either like K Y is the supernatural or what's going on here and then When Joe is in the well that also felt lake a man who fell this far and who has multiple ribs puncturing in him would not be able to do that? And he's grinning so maniacally and how he climbs up to the top of the well and all of that that felt very supernatural natural to me because it felt like. I don't know that a man could do that or that. Anyone could do that. How how would you do that with your lungs punctured? You know. That's a that's a deathly fall. No matter if the ground is spongy and so I wondered is he just keep coming because he's he's invested in with some demon or what's going on here. Yeah there were a few things that felt a little off just within the story and I was like okay if that well is as deep as she says it is then how would he have been able to climb all the way back up and attention needed to then him with a rock or something you know it just felt like it was a little too convenient. Can't I guess for Joe At away that she would actually have to. You know bludgeoned him with something right. And then that's the thing that causes problems for her with the cops if he had just died in the first fall than there would have been no questions or none of the questions that come when during the interrogation and scene between her and the medical examiner the very annoying medical examiner. No right do just let it go. This guy isn't worth any any of the effort that you're putting in here. Yeah but it is like an as I was reading or as I was consuming that part of the book I was like Oh no now now. There's complications that she's ripped all the boards up in the Rock and him climbing out and all of that becomes like you know that those are kinks in the the plan that are going to maybe get. Dolores caught later on. Yeah going back to the medical examiner real quick. I was kind of wondering why. Why he was interrogating her in the first place? I've never really heard of that happening like since when does a medical examiner interrogate people based on findings that super feared word or is this just as like a small town main thing like an island thing because I guessed it was maybe because The police chief seemed like he was kind of a bit of a Dullard. Or maybe not. Quite the best person to be interrogating anyone. Maybe the maybe. The medical examiner had bullied him into it. But I too was like. I didn't think this was a medical examiner's job. I mean their doctor not a lawyer. Yeah well is there anything else you want to specifically hit on before we wrap up here. I did one as they say that. I think that Laura's clayborn is one of King's life like with likened Gerald's game with Jesse it is one of his best examples of Women in books. He's writing a book about a woman who when she's telling. Her tail is in her mid sixties and she is not a typical woman character that we see in what we think of in books she's homely she works really hard. She lives her life of incredible difficulty and yet he and she does horrible things and yet we feel nothing but sympathy for her and understanding for what she's going through and she's she's not necessarily a good person but she is a completely relatable person and I think again. This is another example full of kings writing improving with every book that he does in some way. And I and I always one touch on the endings. Because of how people talk about his his innings and I think that this one is a good example of an ending. We just get. He wraps it up a little bit and then we move on and this was a good good example of that it was. I think even though you like this a little more than I did a lot of the reasons I didn't like it quite as much was more so the writing style. I like having chapters. I like having stopping points in books and not feeling like I need all in one sitting and yes there. Were just some of the cloak realism where I was like okay. This is going to take a little longer to get through than I anticipated. Just because of how Dolores speaks and how king wrote her but overall I think dolores is a very very strong character in the Stephen King Universe like you and ultimately I ended up giving this a three and a half out of five good rates doesn't let you do half stars so I kind of just make notes in the little review section every time so I know what I wanted to rate it right right and I would say I would give this a four out of five. This is probably one of my one of my favourite's I think of his less Supernatural books like this is much more a an interesting story about people role rather than a fantastical story and it's a great example of how good he can be when he writes in that. Vaa exactly why I think. That's that's a great place to end this before we go though. I quickly want to let you all know about our patriotic. You can sport this podcast for a dollar month that will get you a thank you on the show. Oh two dollars a month. We'll get you a chat cemetery sticker if you WANNA be like Katie. You can do that. I'll send those to you. I stopped a few left so hop on that before the stickers stickers are gone and you can find us at chat cemetery on twitter and instagram and facebook now Katie. Thank you so much for joining me me to discuss Dolores Claiborne today. Thank you for having me. This is always a good time of course and to our listeners. 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Heroines Week Dolores Huerta

Chompers

04:27 min | 2 years ago

Heroines Week Dolores Huerta

"Choppers is produced by Gimblett and sponsored by crest and oral B. Rise and shine. It's time for chompers. Your morning and night tooth brushing show. Serb rushing on the top of your mouth on one side and brushing little circles around each team. Three. It's heroines week where every day we tell you the story of heroic woman from history. Today's heroic woman is Dolores sweater who helped farmworkers be treated fairly by the people. They work for. The work that grew up in California and a family with Mexican heritage. Doors is father worked on a farm helping to pick the fruits and vegetables, their family didn't have much money, but Deloris was a smart hardworking student, and she grew up and became a schoolteacher. Switcher rushing to the other side of the top of your mouth brush, all the way to the molars in the back. The Laura taught school in California near the place where she grew up and soon she noticed that the kids in our class were to hungry to pay attention, many of the children were sick. And some of them didn't even have shoes to wear. These are the children of farm workers and the children were hungry and sick because the farm workers weren't being paid enough to take care of their families. Switzer rushing to the bottom of your mouth and keep brushing. Lawrence doubt that the farm workers were not being treated fairly by the owners of the farms. She decided to help them organize a union a union is when people come together to demand to be treated fairly by the people. They work for. Dolores helped the farm workers organized a strike that means they refuse to work until the farm owners agreed to treat the workers better. Switzer rushing to the other side of the bottom of your mouth brush your front teeth too. Deloris and the farm workers marched in the streets. Chanting. Which means yes, we can in Spanish with the workers on strike. The farm owners had known to work on their farms and pick the fruits and vegetables final. The farm owners had to give in an agreed to pay the farm workers fairly and treat them with respect. And because of her courage and compassion Deloris wit that is today's chompers heroin. That's chompers today. But come back tonight for more Irwin's from history until then. One. Chompers is a production of Gimblett media. Hey jumpings. Do you have questions? Well, we wanna help you answer them. Do you have a science question like how big is the world's largest jellyfish or a technology question? Like, how does my phone? Remember what my face looks like or a personal question. Like, how can I be a better friend? Whatever your questions are. We wanna help answer them. Ask your grownup to send a voice recording of your name age and question to chompers at Gimblett media dot com. Grownups the address again, it's chompers at Gimblett media dot com. And we might use your question on an upcoming episode of choppers. Chompers is brought to you by crest and oral B spring cleaning is all about freshening things up grownups that might mean finally cleaning out that messy garage. So why not gift that same spring clean feeling your kids crest and oral B have a great selection of dentist recommended toothbrushes for your little sprout and Chris toothpastes, come and flavors your kids love like strawberry. And bubblegum with the enamel protection, you expect for new meaning to spring cleaning with crest and oral B. Grownups. Learn more at oral B dot com slash kids.

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WWHL @ Home: Dolores Catania & Heather McMahan

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

24:44 min | 2 months ago

WWHL @ Home: Dolores Catania & Heather McMahan

"Stop her engines and the sales slap lines off the scarves. The rebels below deck sailing yacht flowing into croatia. Were captain glenn takes command of a first class new crew. We've got a great team. And i think we're gonna knock out of the park with all hands stretched to the limit or be. The first to snapped come sail away with below deck sailing yacht nine only on bravo. Set your dvr. Now hi everyone. This is megan. Sikora and eric j mac and we are the host of the daily dish. Bravo's official podcasts. Watch what happens. Live is looking for your help with this podcast. If you have just five minutes you visit pod listener dot com slash w. w. h. l. to take a survey to help improve the show. It's completely anonymous. And it'll really help this. Show just visit pod. Listener dot com slash w. w. h. l. to take the survey that's pod listener dot com slash w. w. h. l. Welcome to the bravo clubhouse for the podcast addition of watch. What happens live with me. Andy cohen as a comedian. She knows her way around a gag and she knows how to greet you. If you're a scumbag it's watch what happens. Live with dolores. Catania and heather mcmahon now. Everybody y'all year kind of our. Hey everybody welcome to watch what happens live. I'm your host sandy cohen in the clubhouse with one woman who's an old school italian and another who literally named her dog rigatoni. Please welcome real housewives of new jersey. Dolores catania dolores. Nine looking. Like a bombshell is always my next guest. Podcast is called. Which is what i assume. She says when someone asks her to make plans when the house riser on everybody's been deeming me for years saying you have to have heather mcmahon on watch what happens live. Guess what she's here. Yeah hi this is the biggest moment of my life here. I'm so excited you're here. I'm so excited. You're so funny as spring is just around the corner so over at our starbucks coffee bar tonight. We have a special gas. Who's helping us bring this spring at home all night long. It's the winner of top chef. All stars la melissa king. Great to see you melissa. Everything good in la. Everything's great yeah. I'm happy to be back good. Well i'm happy to see you. I want to get straight into tonight's episode jersey. Jackie kept saying over. And i'm over it. I don't want to talk about it. But then it seemed like she talked about it the whole time at that dinner. Did you find that heather. Oh yeah some. When you're like i feel bad for her husband like this is awkward like he just wanted to play cornhole and have a bourbon. It just like it just kept getting more awkward and more awkward. I felt like she just needed to wrap it up and celebrate them and like be done with it right right. Was that going through your mind to delors. yes it was. It's like lettuce sleeping dog lie. Let's beyond from it. I know you had your head. We take our tantrums and then move on. Let it go right. Let it go. We'll speaking of letting it go Number one question for you. Dolores you wanna hear it okay. Okay new busy said. When is dolores going to start holding theresa accountable for poor behavior. It's one thing to have your girls back but it's another to repeatedly support bad behavior. Actually i don't i i did say teresa wrong to do what you did but I would have handled it differently than jackie. Jackie doesn't have to handle anything. I do but i did i said teresa. You shouldn't have done it if you wanted to do. You should have done it in private. And that's it what what more can do okay. Heather jenner said. Shag mary kill juicy. Joe jude ice. Joe goria frank catania. Ooh mary break catania. I would shed job. Borge and jill unit went on clay. All right okay. Right by the way to say that out loud it's okay. This is a safe space to list over here. You telling heather before we went on the air that you got a new vagina. My god i wasn't gonna say right now. You're that far. Sorry well that's okay. I'm getting ready for the reunion. China for the reunion. Well why you're added doing some leg sculpting and doing some work on the waist down. So i asked dr. Joseph goes if there was anything else that could be done he said sure. So why. not andy. I just turned fifty hot hobby. David feel about you getting a new vagina. Okay well that was a different subject. 'cause i told david a little bit ahead of time about surgery i was going for so wasn't the night before i didn't tell him until after i did that part. Okay well does he like the new vagina no seen. I just happened thursday andy. I'm like bandaged up. Oh okay all right. This is above my pay grade. Mcmahon knows that she keeps closer tabs on how gossip that a certain new jersey realtor on the name michelle since. It's the first time on the show. I thought we could get to know. Her bravo tastes with clubhouse quickey. Who's your all time favorite housewife by the way. Dolores excluded from all of these answers. So who's your all time favorite housewife. All-time david is sonia. But then lisa rented conference second. Okay which housewife do you wanna come back on her show. Ooh i wanna see ni and kim back together on any show where they go. I just need them together again. Who's your bravo crush ooh Captain league yes what how. What else wife quote do you use most often in your everyday life. It's to quotes by the same gal My favorite from atlanta charade. Just she by sharani and don't check me okay. If you were a housewife food you feel would be your nemesis ramona. Who is who's your favorite friend or side character. Any of theresa's girls like melania is the most savage on the planet. She's a drought. I live for theresa's have you met any housewives in real life and who has been the nicest or route is to you okay. A fader was fantastic. I met ramona once. And she's just as you think you would be and then i get all the time. I looked like console ceac but if she gained thirty pounds so my mom went up to her at a grocery store. One time and showed her picture means she wasn't happy about it. All right thank you very much for that clubhouse quickey tonight frank senior told dolores that he's basically her gay husband at this point which is fitting because this next game is going to require some major guy on guy action. Okay deloris get ready to answer an array of questions by picking between your current bo. David or your former flame slash current roomy frank senior. Here we got is the bigger romantic. Frank who throws more shade about the other women behind their backs. One of them do okay. Who's better in bed. I don't. I don't think about that anymore. It's been so long with god. I better say david. Of course you know. I've been with david. I'm with data. But i don't remember that all oak. Well you got a new vagina. Got a lot to do Who gets along better with the other househusbands. Frank is like one of the girls over there. That whole group is so cute together and they really are around together more than we are. Who has was a higher. I q older built brilliant. All right thank you both brilliant. Thank you delores well. Heather is a diehard bravo hallock. I need her to be. Transparent is teresa's see-through macro bathing suit. Cobber opposite gives or takes okay. It's time for another round of bravo. No they didn't new jersey. Who needs to apologize. Theresa for spreading the evan rumor or jackie. For making the analogy. Gosh this is giving me a migraine. Listen theresa should have never said anything at the part. My party and called me award. We'd be fighting in the streets within jackie. Bring kids into it. So theresa needs to start in the. Jackie also need safe. Sorry to justify keeping your plastic surgery a secret by reminding everyone david has yet to put a ring on it thoughts on that. Listen before you get a rain you always got to keep them on their toes. Dolores you do hunting either way. Dolores vibes online wondering. What the pout was that. You had when margaret shoulder. Who made a funny. Oh i love margaret's new boobs. I don't think had anything to do with that. Okay all right okay. Heather appropriate for theresa to call her brother and convince him that his wife was cheating. All is joe. I thought he was hilarious. Was it appropriate absolutely not and if anybody ever did that to me like it would be the added story. But when he said mama mia and that was as genuine reaction. I literally beat myself on on a summer house. Since you're friendly with hannah. What did you think of a recent engagement announcement. I'm so thrilled for her. I haven't met him yet. But i just. I want her to be happy. I think hard lindsay's expectations for stephen unrealistic. Yes absolutely just making the dm sandwich. Did luke lead hannah on. Yes yes he did. How would you fared in atlanta if you had been part of cam these sex dungeon bachelorette party. That was the best tv. I've ever seen in my life. I am currently searching for to like just over two paired. Well i would. I would have been nervous. The corner with those women are so confident and that was just your freaky evening. I wanna be a part of it. But i have to fly on the wall. Do you feel kenya. Broke girl code interrogating the women. After absolutely i mean to me. Everybody hooked up with vullo. Even if they say they didn't yet you don't need a you don't need a quiz all right. Thank you very much for your hot takes. Let's take some questions for our virtual audience. Lindsay's got a question for dolo. Go for it. Lindsey agree with melissa. That jackie worked apologized. To theresa at the fight would be over. And do you understand why jack is not much apologize. I think apologies are good after. Everybody's emotions have calmed down. So i i think that everybody needs to not even bother speaking to each other. Apologize are not. It's not gonna work right now so everybody needs to calm down. And what was the other question into. Jackie not apologize. I do yeah. Here's here's michael with a question for heather. Hey michael my question had there is on since you posted ramona's ex mario's bumble profile on instagram ramona. Slide into the dm's trying to get more info and also what were you doing on bubble in the first light. Oh great questions. well. I've been with my italian stallion for eleven years so i was actually on bumbled for my mother and i think she liked match with mario. We were down in florida. And i threw her phone just in the ocean antics But yet no ramona. Never never she never asked about it. I mean is it like mario's just getting around town doing his thing. I still think that they're secretly in love with each other. Though anybody aggrieved me i agree. I love it. I thank you virtual audience. Well dolores tagline is. I'm loyal and lovable. But don't you dare ever call me gullible. But she is. Has she ever found her ride or dies. Behavior to be a little bit indefensible. Let's find out with can use defend tree. Dolores i'll go through some a theresa's most controversial actions you try to take a stab at defending your friend. You can't just sip your drink. Can you defend the gossiping about evan. Cheating while ad is party thrown in his honor. Okay can you defend theresa's infamous table flip. Yes i can defend it. Defend it okay. So at that point there was. I from what i remember. This is going back ten years now. There was a lot of live coming from danielle at the time. Danielle was attacking her friend. Nina and that anger came from her Her friend from what i remember is danielle calder. Stupid and you know her kid. You defend teresa telling danielle to pull margaret's hair. Take a sip of your drink. Can you defend chai pushing the into my chair at the reunion. She didn't mean it that's because she very long time. I really actually. I really actually was not bad for a very long. I thought you were mad. Wasn't personal anti. I actually didn't think that much of it. Can you want to know why wasn't personal. Can you defend theresa's speculation that caroline turns her and joe into the fats. Now can you. Defend theresa's e. s. c. h. e. speech kim dis fashion show. Yet she was mad at him was talking about her. That's how that's how you defend. Trees blind loyalty to danielle. Even though you were adamant that she was a scumbag. all right. thank you for playing. Can you defend tree. okay tonight. Show gorgas suggested that the tree might have spread the cheating rumors about avid. Because she was just trying to look out for jackie which almost caused everyone to laugh about of new jersey. So i wanna see if heather has some equally unwelcome takes with. That's my unpopular opinion. Had their has three strong opinions about jersey. That might not be for everyone. I want to see if you can convince deloris to agree with you okay. I can't wait to your these here. Okay give us your first unpopular opinion. All right everybody thinks that. Like joe just the hottest househusband. No no no no. It's margaret super joe. Okay that off. Yeah i just wanna like look a little marinara off of. I mean he's a he's a simple guy but like always tinkering with things with his hands. And you know he can admit to margaret. And he's like this house's taken like twenty five years but we'll work in on it. There's something about him. He just always like a little train that can feel about this. I'm so hot for joe beningo. I don't even know as our bread like it's great. Okay hot take number two high tech number two. This is very controversial. But i believe that caroline manzo needs to come back to the franchise. I know this will stir the pot. But i feel like she's the real matriarch new jersey and she just seems like really get in there and i think she can put to recenter blake's solo. I think that it would be war worth okay last one. oh okay. Dolores you know i love you more than anything but i genuinely think frank is your real soulmate. How do you feel about that. Frank is definitely that. I feel like that. I don't believe in all this film itself but he is a definitely a part of me. That will always be there. And i do love them to death. I love when my ready for tonight. Frank is my soul mate. I smell of right. He's the cleanest man in the world and takes out today. Wow no i just. I just needed a delicious. Like david left the house this morning. Smelled like freidy's smokin. Frank smells like sawdust in the gym. But yet it's clean. Oh perfect all right. That's what they needed. Okay heather bridge e seventeen. Wants to know what you think. Aina gardens housewives tagline would be who. That's a good one. I don't just drink wine. I own the vineyard because on rich. As that is good Dolores moas ass wants to know your honest opinion of theresa's new boyfriend louise. I met him him in frank. You're very close together on some things. And i think he's a gentleman and frank handy newer juvenile frankie little franken. He's like a mentor. Frankie they a lot of time together. And he's he's wonderful with frankie so you're good semi son. I think that you're like from heaven. You're amazing he's good to my friend. He's great with kids he's just all around break. I well very good all right Well it is time for watch what happens five. Despite the many many procedures housewives have gotten to fight gravity sometimes gravity still gets the best of them case in point. Deloris falling off the paddleboard tonight. So we're gonna countdown our top five housewives. Tumbles number five goes to the time vicky went all the way down in the southern most part of the united states key west. What it is about. Mickey following always cracks me up then. There was the time in hawaii. When vicky tried to hang ten minute turned out. She couldn't hang at all at number four point number three. Is that time. Kim richards a little too good a job imitating. Y'all vp's fainter confessional. Watch tony okay. I'd like to thank vicky forgiving us. Our number two moment when she accepted that insurance award. I love amazing. Love genus like. Ooh there's a step they're finally our number one. How stocks tumble you knew came from the time. The new york women went into quila and all the tequila role at lou and shake your booty amazing. I love tumble deloris have their ad melissa for being here tomorrow night. Naomi judd at ten o'clock altria. Ten o'clock watch our after show presented by starbucks on twitter now. Tonight's after show is presented by the new starbucks spring day blend and honey and madagascar vanilla flavored coffee gay. Everybody welcome back. it's deloris catania. And how they're macmahon. How others podcasts is called absolutely not from dear media. New episodes are available weekly over our starbucks coffee bar. It's top chef. Melissa king bringing the spring at home melissa. Who do you keep in touch with the most from your time on top chef brooke williamson. I actually just saw not too long ago We were cooking out in montana. A good amount of people stashing smarr. Brian tasio i'm kind of neutral. I'm friends with all along. Like keep in touch dolores mckenzie m. Wants to know how you reacted when you heard margaret's say he's heard those rumors about avin before i i mean i was. I was like oh. This isn't going to go over. Well all right. Let's go back to our audience. Anyone in the audience have a question for me or other or dolores Let's go to the bottom right. Rocco are muzzle sunglass duo. Hi i we love your children's book reviews on instagram. And we wanna know. Can you please write a children's book. And i will definitely write a children's book. I just need to come up with it i just. I don't what. I have a brilliant idea than i will. I will do that. Thank you. I appreciate the woman raising her hand in the yellow. I love you andy. Thanks any more babies for you in the future. One can hope the the dude with the gay pride flag. Hi no. I don't think we have audio on you dude. You're right there you are. Oh so real quick. I love you in this story. that's it. I did it because i wanted to my time with me. I'm sorry oh you're good okay. we'll take you will. Do you have a question for anybody. I'm so have you heard about the john. Shaw lee taper. Her one against her spouse or her makeup artists. I heard it unfortunately. Yeah any thoughts well for anyone who thought she was putting it on for the cameras. I guess you have your answer. Okay anyone else have a okay. Top right repeat it yes. Hi and. I'm this is a question for dolores fans that would love for snooky to join the real housewives of new jersey. Do you think she would be a good addition. Sure i do not personally. But i welcome anybody who would like to be a part of us. Okay good well danielle's coming back next season. Okay not everybody. I'm just kidding eddie. I made that up all right. I wanna take our audience. I wanna thank heather. I want to thank you laura. I wanna thank melissa at our starbucks for bar for more bravo. Tv dot com. Thanks guys thanks. For listening to the podcast. Everybody hope you enjoyed the remember. New episodes go live monday through friday at four. Pm eastern time. Make sure your subscribed to have rate rusty or not.

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Taylor, the Housewife with Dolores Catania

Taste Of Taylor

35:41 min | 4 months ago

Taylor, the Housewife with Dolores Catania

"The phone rang. Podcast is a deer media production. Hi i'm chanel. alexander host of press. Send a podcast. And more importantly a safe in hilarious place for candid. Conversations about scary funding heartbreaking but always intriguing questions that make us all human piece week me and of new best friend. You haven't met yet field your questions across any all topics and offer our take on the matter with plenty of humor heart and that assery along the way we launched a new episode of creston every wednesday. We'll see there. Hey girl hey. Welcome back to my weekly. Podcast taste of taylor. Happy motherfucking new year's eve. You guys can you believe it. Your girl has been working all vacation long and right now. I am so excited. Because it's like the end of twenty twenty the beginning of twenty twenty one and joining me. I'm gonna say my friend dolores catania. Hey girl hey. Welcome to the podcast. Hey girl hey. It's been a wild taylor. You were my first. You were my first podcast. I was ever on walking into that building. I really thought i was a big shot. And i was nervous and then i sat down with you and i'll never forget how easy it was to speak to you. So thank you for that. I wanna thank you five years later out. Thank you thank. You set the pace for my rested. The rest of my first press that the pace her on to go to the next one. You never forget where you started. Tower was that way. So you guys. This is when i was at sirius. Xm and we did was it. That was i interviewing you for real housewives of new jersey delores or were you co hosting an entire show is because i did a housewife co host rotation at one point two. I feel that it was my first day of press ever. I feel like so. It was your first season of the real house. New jersey. your real housewives. And you keita's brand. New to the crewman sticky flicker are. I forgot was doing how to and think he's good. He's good show. I have no problem saying this. I mean i don't think anyone is really asked me to mind they ju- and see get in a fight. No and i'd did not gonna fight but i say Was woman enough to say to me. Dolores i'm going to be doing things publicly but it's not gonna work well for being my friend so you and i can not be. Friends are not enemies like we cannot be together and you know. I had to give her a lot of credit for that. She was funny. I know we. We lashed a lot together. We did and we had each other's back. But for her to be honest enough to say that i i respect that i hold nothing against. When did she say that to you. Dolores astor's she wasn't on this show anymore. We didn't see each other much after that. And then it kind of just was that conversation stood. I don't wanna hurt you. I actually really appreciate that. Because if we've seen anything in twenty twenty it's that people love to cancel right. Some of it's very well deserved some of it. I think it's up for debate but And people also they love to get offended you know and it's like and now it's not just enough to take down the person you're offended by you want to take down every fucking person's soul that there with and it's like a cartel right they kill everybody with your last name like that was one of the truly colombian drug dealers. They used to kill if you messed with them. They didn't only kill you. Anybody that had your last name was going but now it's an to columbia cartel. It's anybody with motherfucking twitter account news on a recipe. That's not much of a difference. These days they takes the same not definitely take you down and kill you. You have to really be strong you hostage nor a lot of it because once you go for it. They're looking for that fight. I learned that very early on. Yep i was told. Don't engage and i can. I mean. I don't believe in typing testing bullshit. If i'm gonna fight with you. I wanna see you face to face me too so i really don't get off on that fighting on somebody twitter so plus i can't spell. They'll just make fun of me. Basically illiterates i swear dyslexic. And so i'm okay with that because you know what i'm i'm kind of famous now. Now they're brag. I never bragged about that. I'm still the normal. I'm still going to go home and clean up my dog show and i'm still dressed like i'm still wearing the same clothes from like ten years ago but an greasy hair today taylor and i'll make up but i'm gonna tell you this love you. I don't really care about finding with somebody like that. I'd rather you right right there with you. I will say though. Have you ever someone ever come out you so hard with a nasty comment on social media that you've had to clap or is your policy either like ignore and block or all of the above i. It's nothing has ever got me that bad yes. I took a heavy hit. When i had an argument with jackie. Yes they called me antisemitic. And all these things because her and i listened to taylor. I can't with that. I can't without you knew what you here to all the trolls who loved to slop a big motherfucking life-changing label. On somebody guess what you do when you just throw it around your the boy who cried wolf. You diminish the meaning of these important terms. Don't just throw them at people. Don't do that shit. I'll i will find you and i will buy you. That's being so. I have everything back up that i am not that dated more jews than jackie. So number one. I love jewish. I i go to events. I stand behind the jewish community yet. Ten thousand percent speak to a rabbi once a week learn about religion. I'm yes yes. I do and i love the religion. I'm a devout catholic. But i'm open to all religions to no one could say fucking thing about me. Identify with somebody just because you're fighting with somebody whose religion is judaism does not make you anti some medic. Okay mind uae. You and jackie gone fight again. Just remind refresh my memory. I think at the time okay. I'm don't i. Don't do well with overly sensitive people. Yes so i made that something. I can work on okay fair. I don't have a lot of compassion. I a big tough lover so When you know she was just she seemed off with me and she was because she was mad about something franken said about her. I'm an impact. That i think i am because i feel somebody's vibes is often gets my by stomach and it just felt we were off so we had an argument and then jonatan have. I said i'm not that close with jackie. I don't know where that well because jackie's not the type you're going to stop by your house or walk in the door like my house right. It's a very different thing. So i wouldn't feel comfortable with ever going. Like i'm in the neighborhood except jackie's so i don't know her that well right like i'm not gonna eat off play and i'm not gonna go through in her pocketbook and take her come out like i do with all my friends different that way way and i love her to death. I love the girl. She's a very nice person. She bother anybody. She stands strong on her convictions. And we just had it out jennifer goes. Will you say you weren't her friends. And then she got upset. And then i was like it was just a whole was off to the races from there because when jennifer says something she doesn't say things in the most diplomatic way she added john lord sit out as she flirts it out and i knew like and then you know the way. Jackie sounded a lot worse than it was. Well that's the game maximum. That gets us all into trouble right. It's like if it's not directly from the horse's mouth then you gotta take it with a grain of salt. You know what. I'm saying. That right and i knew once. Jackie heard that in the way she heard it. It wasn't going issues going to unravel a bit about it. And she did. And i did apologize for. Having the lack of patience i apologize. She deserved an apology. And i did get a jar. This episode of taste of taylor is brought to you by one degrees. even the rich for more than decade. Britney spears has been trapped in a conservative ship that gives her father incredible tower over every aspect of her life. It's hard to wonder. How did she go from this pop princess to a prisoner this season of wondering even the rich is looking for answers and chronicling the life. Britney spears starting with brittany as a young girl britney wanted to sing and dance her way out of louisiana but she had no idea that she would later become one of the most famous pop icons of the twenty first century but the more famous got more harmful. The press became until finally it was all too much for her to handle a very public breakdown. We all remember that led to a family intervention and a conserve ship. It was supposed to be temporary. But bernie is still at the mercy of her father's controlled today. Her fans formed a movement hashtag freebritney dedicated to freeing britain from the conservatorship. But there's a lot more to it than that. I have to say that. I have gone back and forth and back and forth following this on the news. Like is it real. Is it overly dramatize. Is it a conspiracy theory but this podcast breaks it down in a way. That will give a lot more clarity to the situation. So listen to the latest season of even the rich freebritney on apple podcasts. Spotify or listen ad free by joining one plus in the one-day app. And now to the podcast delors. You are very transparent. You are very direct but like you said you are an path. You're very loving you. Exude love and thank you it your no bullshit. I know you're. I'm never going to hear like something. You're never gonna talk on both sides of your mouth which i really respect your very strong to own it and let me tell you something taylor in this business hard. It's almost like i don't know why people wanted deny something that somebody else calls you out on 'cause once you own it it's done it's done like when meany says that's right. I said this day might lawyer. I stopped i go. He now where you're going with it exactly and then everybody's like kind of looking at each other like i guess nowhere near if you admit it and you own it it's completely it's it's done it's coming back this bullets like with lisa vanderpump. We still don't know if if she was lucy juicy apple goosey with that damned dog if she planted those stories. We still don't have an answer and so that will always like we're talking about conspiracy theories before we got on this podcast but it's like that's the thing is like they will able live on forever. It's like the best thing to do is just nip it in the mother fucking bud will take your poison get through. It is if you have to. If you don't want to don't and that's it in that and i and i did or that that one and jackie and i are fine jonky stuck up for me against people like going crazy on me but again you know what that was. My first hit taylor. I was at the daily mail party around this time last year. Okay that party was iconic jonathan chibana every all the housewives were there Nellie came singing. And and that was the night they aired me. Jackie's fight asa walking out and i had the best night of my life. I mean i was at the daily mail party with like everybody. Just mashing together dancing having a good time. It was amazing amazing. There were just people there. You'd never think you'd me And as i'm walking out people like it's okay. We got you like folks going on. I didn't know. I don't want the episode so why didn't know By the time. I get get out. I look at my phone. Was dead a blowing up with death threads john. You hate Anti semitic jew. Hater isn't it. I'm like you're picking on jackie. You're a bully. You're no good. Oh my god. And i was like the so that was might. I hit This time share with. I had a good run on the show without having any negative feedback so that was the one and only time. I have to say that. I think has ale. Did i mean really how did it feel. And how did y- y so. For the first time it was really hard. The next day. I was sick to my stomach. I was so upset and then I remember you know as time went on it's still lingered a bit and then it kinda just faded. If you don't engage it goes way right and regretted. I knew i would apologize her. I knew once you know. I thought about it or whatever. I don't regret anything. I did right. But it's still to have to sit in that discomfort and people thinking that you're something based on in and i'm not saying the shows like edited like scripted but based on an edited flashing time. Right of a moment. i'm sure it was like a conversation. What percentage of what you guys converse do you think makes it to the actual ten percent fifty percent seventy five percents all now definitely not fifty because you have six girls and you have to cut it into forty minutes six storylines that have to flow into each other. But do you ever watch it and you go like way. I said so many more things after. I said that one thing. I get so angry because i you know i say a lot of things out of life experience so i do get upset because there's times where aqel the editor in i'll go. You know what. I i was just sitting on a beach with theresa at melissa. Now be coming from a family of a cop in being cut. There's a chain of command bright. You don't complain to your boss. I still have that old school mentality. Don't go complain joe. Don't rock the boat and don't keep your mouth shut in real. My mom is always like to warriors. Don't think before you talk. And i realized i watched over the years. Everybody else calls. Everyone else calls in says. Why was it this then. Why wasn't that in. So i said you know it's time for me because i started to really realize there were things that i had said that i wanted on and i'll tell you one of them. Okay i remember when we were in the jamaica. Or i think jamaica they real they reveal that danielle and marty are sleeping together again. They are remember that. Yes i can. Reset theresa blabs out that they end margaret's like never never. He would never do that again. He would never go back and he would never do that to his kids. I go wall to wall when a man leads his kids once and he did turn on his kids for her one. Yes they'll do it easier the second time and pussy makes a man do a lot of crazy fucking said. Okay i will tell you this that cut. Why is that cut out right. Why when i'm on the beach. And i'm talking to theresa about joe jude ice and i say something and then melissa kind of said the same thing but melissa was the one that had the conversation with her. I had that conversation with our fucking blows. You were basically like melissa was cheating off test you gave her. The answer is just like no one has ever cheated off my test before. I should be flattered taylor. It's times like not unlike. Listen i just or. I got the key to the city. He to the city of patterson. That's and here. My family who. I'm so close with i'm one of five and my family shows up. It might die and the fire department happened to be taking care of a fire that had just ended and the fire trucks came to see my father who was the chief and the history and i love the city so much in. The mayor's thanking made rolling to cut out. This is the fuck out to. It's like when people judge you. And i learned this in radio and the difference between radio. Was i self edit right. Because i'm in charge of the hours that i'm on the air for the most part i mean i say stupid shit but that's on me but i will say that. When i was working with cosmo magazine they would kind of encouraged me to ask her questions. And i remember like sex questions. And that's not really my bag because that was the brand and i remember one time you know the guy from princess diary kerry always he played the prince and the and the thing. Yeah so i interviewed him and asked him a sex question because cosmic made me and he goes grow up. And i was like. Oh my god. I'm so embarrassed. And the thing is if someone tells me to grow up. Because i like ask a poop question. That's fine because that's on me but when someone criticizes you for something that actually isn't really representative of you. It's the most frustrating thing it works so far. It's like. I'm doing my job doing my job. You don't even have to like you know what i have to do. And and you know there's also you know there's an understanding in this business right after you know what's expected of you. Yes if something has talked about yawn camera. Few something on camera. That's in the next scene. You can't get around. You can't say. I wish i didn't say it. You gotta live with that now for the rest of the season yet okay. You're not taking it back. That's on nope and you don't have a chance to talk about into the reunion. Which is weeks. Potentially months away will bad batch. That's when you have your voice and you know you better know what to say that reunion walking on that stage i say is like is like The analogy i'll use is walking into the lion's den as a row like like when you're like the romans in your poco walk in the coliseum and you know the lions are going to eat you like i know what they wanna pee my pants before i want the movie i and you know not only is there. You're facing now. You know you just watch the rest of the episode's right you don't sleep all night you get to the hotel you wanna look your best. You're bringing your dress and they give you six episodes to watch. Now you're seeing the end and you're seeing whatever now you gotta go walk on that stage after you've had indicated you've been shit you haven't slept you haven't in 'cause you're nervous and now you're seeing how they ended your fucking season day did you. And you're walking on that back that stage diane while you're going to like give us br bring it. You're going to bring in here because this is going to decide whether you're going to be here next year because it's year to year it is. You're you're how does that. Feel and explain that as i mean you've been on for five seasons you are. We are about to get season eleven. You said that any just tweeted something out about june. I have also heard snow january jeddah. I've also heard february so january february. Two thousand twenty one. We're going to get season. Eleven real housewives of new jersey. Yeah yes okay. Yes and you also i think so far thank you know everything is up in the air now but that's what it should be. But what does it feel like when 'cause i mean five seasons that's a long run deloris a great long right. Yeah you know every every year you go on. There's more expected of you. And of course there is now you're a staple now people have now related to you. Now you you you know you have an image call when you gotta work it you you know you have to constantly show people what you're doing in your life now things in my life didn't go maybe the way they should have People will see that. Belsey how i dealt with it. Some people will agree with how i dealt with it and some people will right and there's a lot of emotional timing during this season and the way it it's so funny because this season started like we all had we all started with all different stories but it kind of like i can tell you what it is but it kind of all came together as one story for all of us which was like there was no foresight into that whatsoever. It was there was no foresight into the way it was going to all come together that we were all on dealing with the same thing you know. Can i ask you what it was like to film during cova. Because when did you guys film. How was that well. We started to film on time. Ben shut down for kobe. And then we start up again with a bunch of rules and protocols so kobe testing to pre times a week to him. There was a distant there was a there. were no trips involved only driving trips There was no commitment. You see franken standing. Call me. He forgot that we got divorced. He called me three times. he didn't get the memo. Keller we did as much as we could. And i really was scared. I was scared. I'm like what can we do. There's no winter now. Just hunkered at home. Having to be forced upon each other. Just with literally very minimal distractions. That's gonna drudge up. Old shit all it did it did and it was enforced. And it's organic and i. I really appreciate this season. So can you give us a little tea without getting yourself into trouble as to what we're going to be getting in season eleven are we. Are we saying goodbye to some housewives. Are we saying hello to some new ones. While not i can i can tell you. There's some faces that you won't recognize okay. But no not saying goodbye. Anyone but you'll see you'll you'll you'll maybe meet some new people not sure yet and that's the other thing you never know who know the people that come on and film and then we don't know what we're doing with them that's up to the public i guess right. Where am i going to be on tailoring fucker. You fucking jerk off. Your can be on now jersey. All my god. Like i wanna sticking part aller bitch wait. I'm gonna fucking all my god gave me the best idea. My life production will be calling you. I swear to god. I am so in and i will fight with everybody except for you. Don't even know girl. This is the best thing. I heard all day. Let's leave it at. Let's talk about a new housewife. Now of right a will get real. You think i'm not giving them your number. Soon as i get off the phone. I have a question so season eleven filmed we. We've got the season coming up reunion. Went you actually shoot the reunion in coordination to the season running. So you guys won't be doing the reading until what hop way through almost halfway through so if there's fifteen episodes and there's only like they give us like three to four laugh sto like when i mean three of the way through. Then we'll get the rest done natalie. They'll give us the rest of that. 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That would be amazing hot. Damn so you're telling me. I've got three months to lose sixty pounds. I went on the day. I lost so much weight i got a tummy. Tuck to say yes. I wanna see. God damn i gave. Dolores i go to your snatched as fuck. I have to ask you. How do you stay in the tiptop shape that you stay in because this is some hiller i i mean i i just ate wendy's on the way here i have. I thought i got a bacon. Cheeseburger are usually get the number. One meal medium-size no onion. But sometimes i'll get chilly to other panel is the best show. So that's what. I'm i'm not in good shape. I'm gonna show you once. I got arms aren't gonna i'm going for whole. I'm turning fifty seven going for a whole re hall in january. Even though i just did i'm gonna get a lip. I'm getting my arm son from losing weight taylor remember. I couldn't come on your show. Because i've said taylor i was supposed to come on today. Yes but i just realized. I have a doctor's appointment if you've missed issue so i could not get. I waited for the doctor to see me any called me. They say he could take me. There was a waiting list to get into. How forget that kind and you you were like amazing and he put me on the right medication and most wait so from losing up with my wife. I right i am just kind of shake on. So that's gonna taken care of Of your doctor. Because i want. I want to dolores special. That's what i want. His name is dr joseph michaels. He's in virginia. And i drove virginia joining the the pandemic. The first day they opened. I was driving through a storm around tanks in washington riots. I was like get on my bucket. Where i'm going to get back on what you're doing care while you're here. I told the national guard. Whoever garbage i'm like let's in you gotta let me street supposed to get a tummy. Tuck tomorrow i gotta get in. So this is the national emergency let through to my tummy. Tuck how dare you have. Young cameron months. Get the fuck away. And i did. It taylor did it so he's amazing if you look at his before and after you think they're fake. This man is insane. So i've heard and i know what i know. We're running out of time. But i have heard nightmare stories about you. Know what does the thing. It's always like it's always about like the exception to the rules like the terrible. You know tommy tucker people say that like when you get plastic surgery it comes the fat cells when they come back. Which for me will be inevitable though. Come back in like your ear lobe. Is that true or is that not true so they you want a surgical tech by trade. I know you know the medical field because your dad's a doctor though you know. Here's the thing taylor. It was worth it worth it yet. Things come back in different places but you still better than when you got their number one. And i researched my doctor so my face lift from the neck route by go to dr mar okay and from the neck. Down is dr. Joe of michael's who's in. Who's in virginia. And you know what there will not be one bad thing you can hear about them. You could google them. You could do whatever you want. There is so amazing and the reason. I'm so honest about what i do. Yes is because they don't want people to wind up in bad hands. And i've done my homework for them. Yes and also. I think it's important that you share. This is well because we watch tv and we see you guys eat and drink and then we think what's wrong with me that i can't do that and so i'm happy that you guys share knowing what get done because it's like aging is a mother fucker okay and like i've always age now. I'm like okay. How am i going to keep riding this pony to look as youthful as humanly possible. Right you have to work you. Haven't you need good doctors. Your diet has to be good once in the while I did the h. g. diet. I was twenty five thirty pounds on how long you off for thirty days. You can only be on for thirty days and does away come like flooding back after or not at all. No i kept losing weight. Even after is it's so hard. What are you get to eat on no facts. I two days you load. You eat whatever you want mcdonalds. Load all your fats and then for the next thirty days. You e. only seven hundred fifty calories a day. It's not hard all my friends i put on. It have lost over thirty pounds in a months. But you see but listen you cheat once taylor you cheat once you gain three pounds in a day. Oh fuck can have wine and you have to give yourself. No you have to give yourself injections every day and it's listen. I'll coach you through. What if you wanna do that. You can be the next housewife high fucking. I'm going to go to the dolores bootcamp of housewives of new jersey for sure it's called zion pills tension up doors. I love you so much. Thank you so much joining me before. I let you go in honor of new year's eve because that's when this is coming out i want your twenty twenty your peak in your pit kardashian this motherfucker so what was the best moment of twenty two thousand for you. And what was the worst moment of twenty twenty specifically for you and your best moment for me to tell you the truth. Gas was when my daughter got into top sped school on gabby called me and she says mom coming home because that's been her dream since she's three years old taylor and i've watched her like sacrifice. Her whole life took a summer off. She would shovel at the barn. She'd mop floors in events office just to see learn from him even when she was like fourteen fifteen years old and her whole life has been selfless to become what she is. She's a now she's got graduates in may and that was her choice and you know tell us. She never felt choice. Felt like she wasn't smart enough for shadow work harder than everybody else but she never gave up when she got into toss. It was a moment for all so that was just amazing. King grants was the worst. A lockdown was the words. I'm talking left my house during lockdown with my pajamas on two different Flippers and stayed in the city overnight in an apartment that i had get stuck with because frankie's Internship got cancelled. So i had. I had an apartment on water street. Stop came home with you. No kidding that's where. I used to live unbelievable. Yeah i had a one eighty water street. I got cute little franken apartment. 'cause i didn't wanna come in home late on a train or whatever you get home from the new york. I don't know about that. We get an internship at oppenheimer. I'm like big dick rickel. The here like i'm making money. I get this kid. An apartment for a studio was thirty. Five hundred dollars crags and he never used it once fuck so you escaped from your house to new york city to get some peace and quiet. One day i just started crying. They brought homemade dogs. The kid doggy. Mother left him there when he was in pre k. Came home so funny then gabby brought home. Four dogs and frankie brought home one dog. I had three dogs. I i walked out on my howard. Johnson's no one looks for me. I started crying when i thought my face. I thought i had a stroke. F-a-s-t based numb. Oh oh was bad. So how long were you gone for. Today's call anybody. I didn't want anyone near me. And then another bad thing. That happened was frank both broke both his legs. Frank catania missed one step. My frank missed one stat. His needs detached no and wound up in his shins. God that's horrible. Did you have to take care of him. He moved in with david. Principi boyfriend david showers every night. I david david was feeding him in a hospital bed in the living room. Feeding them sushi goes fuck enhanced. Pro i walked is not something. I online lead taylor. They might be good. They might be getting married before you know. You can't let. I'm the only gay on this show. Let's right that's right. That'd be hysterical. Great thank you. I know bronwyn first house. Who's a lesbian. But bronwyn is still married to a man and she came on the show bravo needs to elect a shrew less. Bow to the real housewives franchise. And i tell you. I'm gonna i'm gonna make some calls taylor. I sound like a big tweet at full retail in some doors. I love and adore. You thank you so much for joining me on this podcast. I'm going to say thank you so much. I couldn't wait to see you. I did miss you very much by the way i was so excited for your engagement. Oh thank you delores. I am so happy. I finally got to catch up with you. Let's not go five years this time around. Okay no no absolutely not okay. And now that i'm a jersey girl wants out of this craziness. Let's get together and have a drink. you got it. i'm up for it or we'll have wendy's whatever the fuck you want. I know it's whatever you can hang with me. Tell her not too many people. Can i will let you with. Dolores love you so much guys. Love you to stay save. Stay healthy and keep in touch my taylor. I will my love. You guys fall delores at lord's continue on instagram. And don't forget real housewives of new jersey seasonal. Evan it's coming back bitches. January february twenty. Twenty one. The sooner the better you guys thank you so much for joining me today and make sure to rate review and subscribe my podcast until then i'll see you guys in twenty twenty one by girl by bobbio.

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The Alibi

Dateline NBC

41:49 min | 1 year ago

The Alibi

"I called my mom immediately and just cried. I cry. I couldn't feel my body went numb. I told her at Carlin's gone and she's gone. She was a beautiful young. Mom doing important work. She was a intelligence intelligence specialist. Some of her work was very sensitive top-secret. I believe she tops here clearance when she was found dead. Everyone wondered did her work cost her her life. I remembered in telling me. Did she come into a lot of money that she couldn't explain. Maybe she was selling secrets. CB best like out of a spy novel what about about other secrets the personal kind. We knew they were having issues before. They got married. She found out that he was shading somewhere out. There was a stranger keeping secrets to my data. Guy Starts going through her facebook. She'd made reference to firearms inner social media. We saw that they were communicating. Communicating gas mileage. What a weird things to do a mystery that would drag on for months and then one final secret great uncovered by science. You'd start peeling the layers back until the number is visible a puzzling death a diabolical plan and and some determined detectives. I'm Lester Holt and this is dateline. Here's Andrea canning with the alibi across the spectrum of love. Is there any more precious than that of a mother for her daughter. My son my only son Sunshine our story tonight is about that maternal tie that endorse worse from generation to generation it begins in a military town near the Mexican border del Rio Texas access a small city anchored by the Laughlin Air Force Base Carlin Ramirez grew up there. She was an easy going child says her Mom Susan Garcia Ramirez Colin. When she was young she was real calm and quiet. Parlin love to sing she just she would sing all the time and Ebben whenever she was out with her friends. You know she would sing for them. Rossana Flora's was one of those friends. What was it about Carlin that you wanted to be her friend her smile her voice a very big heart. I can honestly say she never saw any bad in anyone her friends on naive of Ara and Valerie mckechnie say it wasn't all about singing and we'll go to the local bar here yeah and they say the dancing literally happen anywhere that's Carlin and Black Fun Fun Times at the Walmart parking lot only small city right. She went to college in Del Rio started in nursing and then transfer to criminal justice nothing nothing that prepared her mom for what she did at twenty to enlist in the army. She didn't ask me. She didn't get my opinion. She told me after she had done it. Your family only as is military family we are my dad was air force. my sister's retired. Air Force and then I was in the army reserves after specialty training and information technology the army sent Carlin to South Korea off-duty. She found time to give back and she found herself volunteering at an orphanage some start well. She starts sending me pictures of a little boy that she's in love with and she says mom. I WANNA dog. Damn I said no in Korea. Carlin found another kind of love. She began dating a handsome sergeant named Melik Tierney. She was attracted to his confidence to his air the way he carries himself he was a decorated soldier this. Did she like that about him. Yes they worked out together and they ran the very competitive Carlin. Karlyn gushed about me to her friends. She said that he was a great man that he treated her right and then she told me they were engaged engaged and expecting uh pregnant the army transferred her to Fort Meade Maryland home of the National Security Agency and one of the nation's most secret and secure facilities bility's wishy happy. She excited she was excited. She started working and absolutely loved it top secret some would say mom. I can't share anything about what I do. Meantime the army moved me to Fort Jackson South Carolina where he trained recruits and chemical warfare. The couple was five hundred miles apart art while living by herself in Maryland. Carlin became friends with another soldier. Mura Samantha Rizza loved working with Carlin. She was the light of the office. She was loving. Everyone loved her. Maria was a single mom with a young daughter so in Carlin was nearing the end of her pregnancy. They decided to share a house together at back yard. It had a decent size kitchen and it was right by base. Did you ever have security concerns about the townhouse or the area we did have. Carlin had mentioned that she came home. One day and felt like stuff was moved around the house really yeah if somebody says that to me. I'm I'm getting worried. The two women kept the doors and windows locked and work together to make their town house a home. Mersa helped Carlin's set up up in nursery and then on April twenty third two Thousand Fifteen Cadillac Vail Ramirez was born grim. Susan was on the first flight from Texas. What was it like for you see Carlin and her new daughter Vail together. Your babies now had a baby. Yes it was amazing. I I got her and I wouldn't wouldn't share her with anyone. Veil was healthy and beautiful Carlin radiant. Their town house was filled with the joyful sounds of Carlin's karlyn singing to Vail. She particularly loved. You are my sunshine. He'll never know what to happy looked like. She found her purpose in life. Three months. After Vail was born Carlin Maliki married in a small ceremony in South Carolina after the Party Colin went back home to Fort Meade Maryland with the baby. She said it was hard the distance and not saying all the time. Susan stayed in touch with her her daughter. I spoke with Carlin every day. Sometimes twice a day but Tuesday August twenty fifth would-be different Susan called Carlin that morning and she doesn't answer and is that I mean unusual such a close relationship so I waited and I called her again and she didn't answer so I sent her an email to her work email a response to that called her on my lunch break and she didn't answer. I said if you do not call me back or message me. I'm going to call the police so a now frantic. Susan reached Carlin's commanding officer at his home. He promised to have someone on the base. Find her I hang up with him and I put the phone down and I hear a rough on our front yard. We Have River Rock and so I looked out and I saw three uniform soldiers odors. Oh God I knew that's just made me sick to me too. It's what any relative of a somebody in the military dreads I mean I'm a Marine Corps wife myself and that's the last thing you you don't ever want to have to see that and a yelled way. It has been sneezing and I just I dropped to my knees and is it something happened to crowded. They knocked. She was right right. Something had happened to Carlin. When did they say we always say when we return what the soldier sat next would leave this mom horrified and confused. I couldn't even imagine what could possibly happen. In del Rio Texas Susan Ramirez's husband opened their door to an army casualty notification team and the the worst news imaginable. There Carlin was dead. What did they say we regret to inform. You dislike the always say saying words words data chaplain with them in couldn't give any specifics. I asked for the baby. They said the choose hospital so what scenarios running through your mind mind. I couldn't even imagine what could possibly happen. The answers would come seventeen hundred miles away at Carlin's townhouse in Maryland Maryland Homicide Detectives Kelly harding and Dan Myers of the Arundel County Sheriff's office were on the case a maintenance person Sola Ella dog walking around into open back door of the townhomes he called nine one one and the officers got there and Carlin Ramirez had been murdered patrol. Cruel officers led the detectives to a second floor bedroom and appalling scene. It was Carlin and her four month old daughter together she was laying in the master bedroom and a little girl was they thought initially also hadn't been murdered but it turns out that she was just sleeping alongside her mom. The baby was unharmed. The investigators began their search for clues with Carlin's body. She was laying on the floor. near the crib in her pants and her underwear had been removed. Did that suggest that there may have been a sexual assault. It's something that you have to consider. The crime. Scene Investigation ramped up. CSI dusted for fingerprints and collected hair and DNA samples Carlin had been shot three times. Ballistics experts traced the bullets trajectories and recovered a bullet from the floor. They were able to narrow down the weapon to a few different models. The caliber of the projectile was three fifty seven thirty eight special of course a hard look at the spouse is homicide investigation one. Oh one so the day after they found Carlin's body detectives flew to South Carolina to talk with Maliki. He'd been placed in an interview room and he was waiting for us. They started noted by asking about Carlin. Are Maliki Superior Officer had given him only the Vegas details about what happened to Carlin excellence. Uh why it load off. They wanted to know Maliki whereabouts the day of the murder he told them he worked as usual shift Monday leaving around two PM. He said he stayed stayed in his apartment until he reported for duty Tuesday morning. The questions got personal detectives had been told Carlin was planning to divorce me like yard done down right. They learned about a brief relationship. Relationship Carlin had with another soldier at Fort Meade shortly before she married me and asked him how he felt about that. You forgive him for her and you're in relation she the detectives cut to the chase. Was He being really cooperative with you. He appeared to have nothing to hide. Maliki let them download notice phone and that wasn't all volunteered his bank records offered fingerprints and provided a DNA sample. He gave police permission to search his apartment an car. The detectives got to work right away you. We talk to neighbors that in his apartment building They said that his car never loved me. CUNYS apartment and car a distinctive Jaguar Xe J. L. came up clean and all his electronics his cell phone and Netflix account put him at home. I'm that night five hundred miles from the crime scene police check toll plazas and license plate readers between South Carolina and Maryland. There was no uh-huh sign of Malaysia Jaguar anywhere on what would have been a fifteen hour round trip. Would you said that he had a good alibi. Does Maliki Tierney was is free to go. The Maryland detectives were back to square one at the beginning of what would become an incredibly complex homicide case an investigation instigation that would span a half dozen states involved hundreds of witnesses multiple government agencies and a mountain of forensic evidence aw coming up could Carlin's top secret work have cost her her life. I wonder if she was targeted or knew something. She wasn't supposed it's now when dateline continues a little more than a week after she was killed. Private First Class Carlin Ramirez was was buried with full military honors flags were presented to her parents husband and daughter. Susan had little time under mourn. She was busy caring Carlin's daughter Vail in Texas while her father. Maliki was on active duty in South Carolina. Susan was also doing everything she could to help solve the case investigators asked again and again who would want Carlin debt. I would say you know I'm racking. My brain and I wish I could tell you but I I just cannot think of anyone. Detectives cast a wide net. They spoke with Carlin's roommate mate Marissa Multiple Times. They were curious about the soldier. Carlin had the brief relationship with before she married Maliki. Could her death have been the resolvable. Love Triangle gone bad. Their Line of questioning made me think that they're looking at the soldier that she was involved with the guy she was having the fling with at work yes. What kind of questions did they ask about him. What their relationship was like. Did he love her. Did she love him that Maliki no Tom did you have to check into the soldiers that she had the little side thing with certainly and he was devastated that this happened. He provided lighted his phone his whereabouts. We concluded that he was telling the truth where he was during the time with the boyfriend cleared some of Carlin's friends and family. I thought the murder might be connected to her top secret work at Fort Meade. I wonder if she was targeted or knew something. She wasn't supposed to know because every job the detectives were looking for any sign that Carlin might have been recruited as a spy by foreign agents. I remember specifically them telling me. Did she come into a lot of money that she couldn't explain to know she did. Maybe she was selling secrets. That's the kind of a spy novel theory. What did you learn about Carlin Ramirez versus role in the military. She was an intelligence specialist. Did you have to explore the fact that maybe this has something to do with her job. There was no evidence of a handler or any sort of misbehaving with her information. Espionage was ruled out weeks went by without a break in the case this homicide detectives are still conducting several interviews so processing evidence from the scene the crime scene investigation intensified they had my house taped off for almost a month just going through evidence going through the house trying to find things trying to find leads and Barista lived in fear remembering Carlin's concerns about someone creeping around their townhouse. Carlin had said she thought maybe somebody moved things around. Did your mind go at all to the possibility that it could have been someone random. They even almost seemed like a hitman had did it because it was so meticulously planned out. Carlin's roommate told us that they had security concerns that someone had maybe been in the townhouse it at some point. It was always something we kind of kept in the back of our minds. Did you have to consider the possibility that maybe Carlin had a stalker someone who was watching them watching her yeah we it looked extensively into her background and into her communication investigators pursued the few leads they had all the while. Susan was pushing them for answers to three times a week. You know they they would hear from me. It must have been getting frustrating that she was murdered. Her killer is out there. He S and her daughter is with you. You must've just felt will that fear. Constant fear veil was not out of our sight but she heard nothing in April on what would have been Carlin's twenty fifth birthday. The family took Vail to visit her grave by that time Maliki was living nearby the army a had allowed him to transfer from South Carolina to Fort Sam Houston he had gotten orders to get closer to the baby and as close as you can get with San Antonio so he can come and spend time with the baby on the weekend the Ramirez family struggle to find normal sleep back in Maryland. The investigation seemed to have stalled Anna Rondo. Oh County offered a twenty thousand dollar reward for information about the case the reward generated no promising leads and homicide detectives wonder if Carlin's death could be part of a larger even more sinister crime a coming up investigators pursue a stunning new theory. There's no likely suspects so the first thought is serial killer some unknown individual and then eyebrow raising revelation about about Carlin's estranged husband seed said that they'd been intimate for several years. Hey It's me Chuck Rosenberg this week on the oath. I sit down with lead nine eleven prosecutor Rob Spencer when needed to treat this as a regular murder case except with nearly three thousand victims rob was the lead prosecutor in the trial of Zachariah Misao the nine eleven conspirator and the only member of al Qaeda ever to be tried in a US courtroom. We're able to give even our avowed enemy who told US trial that could he come back and kill every one of us a fair trial join me for that conversation with Lead Nine Eleven Prosecutor Persecutor Rob Spencer. That's this week on. MSNBC's the oath available now wherever you get your podcasts uh it had been months since Carlin Ramirez had been found murdered at home with her infant daughter in her arms with all leads exhausted homicide detectives wonder if Carlin's death might be part of a pattern they they reached out to profile with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit FBI Special Agent Jonathan Schaeffer would join the team the stories that the husband's in South Carolina. There's no apparent likely suspects so the first thought is a serial killer known individual. That's where they'd requested the profiler. Oh file had there been any serial killers in the area that could possibly tied to this then no there. There wasn't a at that time it was a long shot. Did this lead anywhere contacting. Their opinion was that probably somebody close to her. Did this with no obvious progress in Carlin's case. France began to despair pair. It scared me that Carla was never going to get her justice but what they didn't know was Maryland detectives and the Army's Criminal Investigation Asian division had been quietly collecting a massive amount of electronic information of course police had initially talked to Carlin's estranged husband Maliki Maliki but his phone records indicated he was at home five hundred miles away when Carlin was murdered but months after they'd asked for it police finally finally had not only Maliki data but the data of everyone who had been contacted from his phone we then requested and received information from the people that Maliki was communicating with all their tedious digital searching paid off it was a development that took them in a whole new direction action buried in Molise phone records were numerous calls and texts with a woman named deloris. Delgado a former soldier living in Florida uh-huh when investigators pored over her phone records a dramatic discovery we had learned that Delors was actually in South Carolina during the time of the murder that data not only how Dolores in South Carolina it placed her in Malaysia apartment complex. This must have been a big break doc. This was a huge break on a Wednesday afternoon. In March. Two Thousand Sixteen detective harding turned up unannounced on delores doorstep up in Cocoa Beach Florida knock on the door and I say hi I'm detective harding. I'm from Enron Low County Maryland. I'd like to talk to you and it's a shock doc and she was very shocked. She said about what maleek and I said yes actually in an interview room at the sheriff's office the detective deloris about the night of the murder if she was in Maliki apartment and if he was with her. She admits that she was there that night what happened Emily Kernan House. She was in the living room and he went to bed as far as she knew he was there. The whole time was is this a sexual relationship. She said that they'd been intimate you for several years. So she's the longtime paramore. They definitely had a long relationship. The detectives now new one thing for sure. After talking to Dolores Delgado Maliki Tierney had lied to them about being faithful to Carlin for starters but most critically about what happened the night of Carlin's murder it if you have somebody that can account for your whereabouts during the time of a murder. Why wouldn't you offer offer that to us. Why would you keep that secret. The detectives had to consider that maybe Maliki just didn't want to admit he was cheating on his wife with Dolores. They took a closer look at this girlfriend who told them she and maleek hooked up when they were both serving. Kuwait years earlier then when harding and Myers examined Dolores phone data they learned she also lied about owning a gun. She told me that she he was almost ignorant about firearms but can her phone. I could see that she was looking for a very particular firearm on her phone. There was a text that read had my last three fifty seven paid four hundred so I wanna stay in that range. Detective Myers dove deeper into Dolores his life. My data data guy here starts going through her facebook. There are some things going on with firearms some information about where she purchased firearms previously this is the woman who had no knowledge a firearm all right the posts lead Myers here to a gun shop near Dolores his home. The shop had a sales receipt and a federal firearms transaction record for for a Taurus 357 revolver. Both forms were made out to deloris Delgado. The Revolver Dolores Bhatt matched the caliber labor of gun that had killed Carlin. We saw that has gone was one of the ones on the list of itself. This purchase of a gun wasn't a smoking King Gun but the detectives had to wonder why Delors with light of them about owning a weapon and there was something else. Mayer soon learned that Delury I said put a box of thirty eight caliber ammunition up for sale on facebook now. That's obviously can't say it's the same bullets but it matched all the characteristics all this sleuthing took months and while the detectives were Working Dolores moved to San Antonio Texas into an apartment not far from elite here here Ni one hundred fifty miles west on their farm and del Rio Carlin's. Mom knew nothing about this new person of interest despite staying on the detectives it's me again. I don't want you to forget my daughter because she was very much loved. The investigation now encompassed a half dozen states but Maryland detectives. FBI agents were homing in on Dolores Delgado. What were you all learning about. The relationship between Malate Carney Dolores Delgado just how lack of a better term weird it was. They were friends friends with benefits. They were lovers but not really romantically involved. They were just sort of best friends with a romantic bet. There was another weird thing. Dolores Delgado's phone was full of tax between her and me Cuny that weren't on his his phone and what a twisted story those tax would tell coming up. I've tip from a complete stranger. Ranger could blow the case open. He said one night we got rid of a gun. I think that was your murder. Weapon Dateline Continues Uh it was a bittersweet day in August two thousand sixteen when Carlin Ramirez loved ones celebrated her life on on the first anniversary of her murder back. East lead detectives Capelli harding and Dan Myers had developed to prime suspects Carlin's husband Maliki and his longtime mistress Dolores Delgado Gotto has they studied the couple's text messages. The detectives found something curious leak had wiped a lot of texts off his phone that still existed on Dolores phone her tax made them look at the night of Carlin's death in a whole New Light. We saw that they were communicating her gas mileage. What a weird thing to do not only that they were talking gas cans as well. The detectives had lures his bank records which showed a purchase at this Florida Home Depot. We were able to get a copy of the receipt of their purchase which included two gaskins finally they they saw the pieces of their puzzle coming together at the start of the case harding in Myers thought it was unlikely that Maliki would have been able to travel all the way to Maryland Kill Carlin and return undetected but this new evidence changed everything. Take us through what you believe happened that night. Delors is providing all the tools the firearm ammunition of vehicle and the really important alibi her staying and using his phone the detective sought as an elaborate plot delors was in Maliki apartment pretending to be him texting on his phone and streaming aiming his netflix account creating an electronic alibi while he killed Carlin this scenario explained why they didn't find Molise Jaguar on on any license plate readers if he did that long drive and Dolores as car and carried extra fuel to avoid gas station security cameras. There wouldn't be any trace of him so he drives straight there. You believe he kills Carlin. Ramirez relatively quickly at the most he would have been there for for ten minutes and then turns around and goes back only stops the one time just on the roadside and dark area to fill up the car and then immediately easily gets back in the car and continues to drive thirteen months after Carlin's death. Maliki Ernie and Dolores Delgado were arrested in San San Antonio out of the blue. Get a phone call at work and they asked me if I could come to San Antonio that evening and I said for what they said. There's been an arrest in your daughter's case but he didn't tell me. Susan and her husband made the long drive across West Texas. That's when I first met Eh Federal Prosecutor. They're the ones that that told me that that millie kid been arrested and and his girlfriend. What were you learning about Dolores. I didn't know Oh anything about her. She was no one she was no one to me assistant. US Attorneys Jim Warwick and Ken Clark met with Dolores and Maleek. I introduced myself often. Mr Kearney also got a chance to speak with Delgado. We'd presented to her the facts that we had in the evidence that we had compiled against her at that point port after the arrest came a new lead a tip to detective harding from an ex boyfriend of Dolores in Florida he he called me and said hey one night. I was hanging out with doors and we got rid of a gun and he said I think that was your murder weapon. I mean do you get calls like this every day. This is pretty remarkable. I wish but we don't investigators met with the tipster in Merritt Island Florida. He said that not long after Caroline's murder he n Dolores Delgado had burned some clothing and sneakers sneakers here and that wasn't all he told them he destroyed a revolver for her dismantled it and that the two of them through the pieces of the gun off off this pier an FBI dive team of Miami was soon on the scene. The water was Jin clear that day and divers found Forensic Sunken Contributor there on the bottom rusted covered with seaweed and encrusted with barnacles where the pieces of a handgun the parts were rush to the FBI crime lab in Quantico. Virginia dateline was given rare access to the FBI is world renowned crime lab. It is I ever interview you. Firearms expert Brett Mills told us how he examined and reconstructed the weapon. I carefully cleaned the frame of the gun. When I FINISH FINISH CLEANING IT. There was no serial number there from a reference collection. I knew where the Syrian number should be. It was gone because Delgado's ex boyfriend had grounded rounded away totally obliterated it for so he thought mills had a plan recall it serial number restoration there are still compressed layers underneath the still has that impression of the serial number using acid. We can restore that number. He demonstrated traded the process on a gun from the FBI collection. Once you've polished it you go in and you literally start peeling the layers back with the asset until the number actually is visible. It's amazing how it just reappears serial number. Sometimes it does sauce other other times. You might not be able to restore any type. A number at all. There was another way to determine if they had found the murder weapon. Mills were tried to match the telltale markings on the bullets that killed Carlin to the gun from the river. These fine strike that you see are the equivalent of a human fingerprint but there was no way the recovered weapon whatever fire again so mills removed its barrel gently cleaned it and attached it to a working revolver for test-firing you demonstrated demonstrated that process with a similar revolver mills was able to do six test firings with the recovered gun off everything he found was added to the evidence. Now prosecutors would have to see if it would hold up when the defense pointed the finger at someone Kaos in Baltimore that will court coming up trial begins could a major twist tipped hip this case it was right before Christmas so as like an early Christmas present and then the verdict and the emotional fallout in August of two thousand eighteen. Maliki Arnie's trial began federal court in Baltimore. He was charged charged with interstate travel for the purpose of domestic violence resulting in death. The trial would be the culmination of a three year investigation that had gathered foulland's of pieces of electronic and physical evidence in an extraordinary forensic effort prosecutors. Jim Warwick and Ken Clarke Want Jurors to see me. Cuny not as a superstar army sergeant but as a killer a solis executioner who took Carlin's life because she she wanted to divorce him an endangered his baby daughter by leaving her in her dead mother's arms. He was used to getting what he wanted. Relationships could end with me but they had done his terms. The government showed jurors their digital evidence. There was a tremendous amount of electronic data including text text messages and fo messages that she shared with Mister keeney including photos dolores had sent me of her car's odometer to demonstrate its driving range and critical correspondence about what they said was the murder weapon. One particular text message was very important. He's test firing the gun and he texts her saying. This gun is so darn loud. This was part of the prosecutors plan to put Delors as gun in a leaks hands. FBI firearms expert Brad Mills told Jurors about the results of that serial number restoration test he did on the gun recovered from the river. I wound up pulling up all but one of the digits it wound up matching the bill sale for MS Delgado's purchase coaches of the revolver. Is that like a Bingo moment for you. When you put this stuff to the test and it works finding out that the number restored was basically the exact same one windisch was on her bill laden was that was awesome and mills had something else to tell the jury remember he done a test firing like this swath through the barrel of the recovered gun and what happened when you test-fire those bullets in compared them to those bullets from the crime scene and we did our comparison from the victim and Dan we identified those three bullets having been fired from that revolver that was recovered from the creek? The prosecutors introduced that interrogation video of Maliki Ni. I love this. I loved her first. We did that show that the jury would realize that he was being untruthful aw and there was something on the tape that prosecutors wanted to be sure jurors noticed incredibly stupidly he never actually asked asked out of my wife die but the US attorney's new their case would hinge on whether jurors believed their star witness Dolores Delgado Dolores had agreed to cooperate three months after her arrest. I was right before Christmas two. Oh so it was like an early Christmas present early Christmas present for two thousand sixteen. Yes prosecutors argued. Komo leaks longtime mistress would do anything for him on the stand. She backed that up deloris testified about how she gave me her gun in her car. Those gas cans even packed him a sandwich for the drive and provided him with that crucial electronic alibi in your directive Delors. GotTa you said Melissa wasn't home. That night was he. Even she answered no was that the the beginning of the end for his alibi. It is placing him at a location other than were. His phone was was critical for this case. The prosecution rested rested. The defense argued the government had proven nothing they argued someone else did it but maybe jurors should take a closer look look at the government's star witness. Dolores Delgado after all it was her gun disposed of by her ex boyfriend that killed Carlin when ant with Carlin out of the way she'd had Melik alter herself leaks lawyers showed the jury a text from Dolores to a friend rund sent before Carlin's murder. CRAZY BITCH IS GONNA be put out but the jurors didn't buy it they quickly. They found me Tierney guilty Carlin's mother had been in court every day. How did that feel guilty. I was so glad glad because with the guilty verdict. I don't have to worry that I'm going to have any dealings with him. At his sentencing. The judge called Maliki Tierney a Predator and sentenced him to life plus another ten years on top of that Dolores. I still gotta was sentenced to seventeen years for her part in the crime. Why do you think Maliki Carney and Dolores dot did this. I think Maliki Tierney killed Carlin because she was the first woman has life that was willing and able to stand up to him and he couldn't handle that as far as dolores she eh upon to Carney that she would just kind of do whatever he said. It was important to Colin Mira's was important to the baby was important to the Ramirez family to bring them some measure of justice today. The Ramirez family and Carlin's Orleans friends are focused on raising fail and teaching her about her mother my son my only son. Sang She sang to her when she bathe her. She sang to her when she dressed her veil. Here's that loving voice today. Carlin sister put a recording shooting of her singing inside a teddy bear never know Dan. We are at this point the constant in in her life. We want her to feel protected loved everything that I know her. Mom would have given her. 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My name is Lisa McDonald host of living fearlessly with the contact talk radio network LISTENERSHIP SPANS. Two one hundred and forty five countries. Two hundred and twenty. Tv radio terrestrial satellites and the potential for millions of downloads. Once again we are joined by yet. Another phenomenal guest. So who is my guest? Today while my guest is Dolores Kirsch when she is an internationally recognized. Strategist and coach. She helps clients clarified their idea worth sharing designing communication strategies and implement business growth systems. Her clients become speakers and authors and take their message to larger audiences like Ted ex and beyond. She works through group. Coaching Workshops One on one coaching as well as public speaking. Dolores is a writer tech's organizer and participate participant in Ted ex conferences. She is a C. T. is certified in ICF accredited coach and has a business degree from Universidad dishonor. Andres Arch Argentina. Originally from wanted. Sarah's Dolores speaks fluent Spanish English and French and lives in Dartmouth Massachusetts with her husband and four children while living fearlessly. With Lisa McDonald. My friend how are you great? They give the intro. Well it's all a credit back to you. This is your. This is your hard work. Come to fruition so good on you for everything you've continued to do in the space in terms of paying it forward being of service and being instrumental and a lot of people's career so the credit goes back to you my friend. Congratulations so how are you in the family? Making out with the all all that's going on in the world right now you're doing okay. Yes we do. Fine will healthy. Thank you for asking hope. Yours are doing well too. We are thank you. It is crazy times and yeah well you know what? That's a good segue because I mean obviously the conversations changed a little bit to address what's happening in the culture of business and the fact that people have had to pivot and adapt accordingly but particularly when we sit in the space of a lot of unknowing. This and it's day to day you know. So what does this done for you in terms of Business Deloris? I mean you know in terms of the clients that you generally interface with or who. You're currently in the midst of working on projects. With where are you at right now in the grand scheme of things yes so absolutely world the Ding? Why I think I WANNA share Who DOES HE GETS is part of. How and why or what I who I am is that I at when a when presented with a challenge. And it's happened many times in my life. I get creative highly. Dig Me. I mean I can freeze but for the most I go creative and in this case because I served so many business owners I has been the last two weeks listening listening at my business owners feel years or where are they getting struggle whether it being challenged by and I've actually even opened up Soon rose are video conference rooms and I've opened up and said asked me anything so I've been actually having hundreds of conversations with business owners and the reality is that for me or for you that we already work virtual the change that much of course it has in many ways right but in our routine has and one of the things that I've been saying to my customers which are most of them operating somehow virtual and I'm using that specifically because many clients of most of my guys are operated remotely. But maybe serving in person workshops on speaking or whatever and so I always say if you are operating any part of Your Business remotely today that you are in the percentage of people that are really prepared for this new world. That's the first thing absolutely well what I'll say to that is. I mean you being entrepreneur to and for all of us entrepreneurs you know we understand isolation right so we. We haven't had to deal with the shock to our system for many people who are used to being in an office space out in the community or we're working with teams and they get to socialize and stuff like that so I feel very fortunate as I'm sure you can attest to as well Dolores we've already climatized. What's what's required for working in isolation as an entrepreneur in which to talk to your producers and get our content out And so yes. Virtual is the way to go. That's the way people are consuming your content more so than ever now that they're sitting at home for an indefinite period of time and they're trying to find new ways in which to keep themselves expanding growing learning an occupied and stimulated right. Yes and and the truth is that head. See An immense amount of opportunity for not just your for all of us yeah spree as we shift from resisting the crisis two racing what is possible. Bingo Bingo and that's exactly the dance that playing for the last two weeks ago my clients on anybody would listen. And that's such an important thing that you said Particularly for the globe listening audience and eventually the PODCAST scrubbers. Because you know where a lot of people might be. And it's a choice and I'm not here to negate or minimize other people's feelings or to invalidate them But this is absolutely as you said. Delors this is the perfect opportunity regardless of what you do for a living. You know. There's always good books to be read. We don't need to be sitting at Nauseam in front of CNN or whatever the case may be where we know the information. The news is going to be depressing. We know it's going to illicit CR from people and people can't afford to be sitting immersed in that space hour after hour day after day and in this case who knows how long so you know the fact that we've got this gift of time that will never probably hopefully ever get back for these particular set of reasons or circumstances in which to grow ourselves and really look at the bigger picture of you know when the gates are open and we can come out and we can reconvene with the rest of humanity. What does the newer better most improved version of ourselves? Look like what does business then look like? What does what does what would do. We previously take for granted. What does that look like? So let's go from though you know what? What are you hoping to get out of this outside of what you currently already are Dolores and that we have given the gift of disruption and I think the world has been given the gift of disruption and every single industry has been disrupted every single industry from nation industry to everything and so for me personally is an amazing opportunity to show up as a leader? And I'm not saying that from a place of Eagle from a place of clarity of exactly how I can lead. And where and almost an invitation for everybody to step up to the gifts and lead the world today. Need people who will help people make decisions and people who not only will help people make decisions about who have the capacity to listen to empathize to connect and gate and Co create the new. Whatever the new world the new business than you school. The new family dynamics. It's is off with the the era of individualism and on with the era of Unity Like we now. I think the world is showing us that we're network of humans and that if the health does down then there's a chain reaction if we don't get out of our house and we don't produce food than we all hungry that none of our lives unknown role so in that in that clarity and that consciousness that you know we always knew this and now we know you know we. Humans go from knowing to knowing when that knowing impacts as in one way or another and this knowing as impacted all of us so we now know that where network of humans that have one link this rough than the chain fold down absolutely. Well I if nothing else this reinforces to what degree. We are all interconnected. We are all one and we are only as strong as our weakest link. So if we're all getting on board with count ability you know. It's not about self preservation in terms of you know I mean look out for me at the expense of you. It's about how can I even in the midst of what I'm currently sit in? What can I do to be of service to you? How can I still actively pay it forward and be of service to you? That's the chain reaction that we need to keep going and going and creating and finding opportunities in which to make ourselves useful and productive and kind and supportive because we're we're all place of needing that we all are in a place of needing that so what I want to get back to here. Is Dolores what I think is really really essential at this particular point in time is what I love about Your Business Model and what you impress upon as being fundamentally different and being very discerning in the ways that you're different is you talk about trust based you know it's just the trust funnels but he's talking about trust based Customer Journey. What you know. One that inspires clients to buy that being very different mindset in terms of looking what people would customarily think about whether they're talking about funnels or whatever the case may be in terms of just sales right. You take your relationship out of that. There is no business model in my opinion. Because it's all relational yes. Yes absolutely and so when this whole another give you an example but looks like in medicines when this began. I sent an email to my thousands of subscribers. Melissa and I said we're family and family's stick together. Yeah now this is an email list. This doesn't mean that all my customers. There's not not all of them have bought or given the money But they are fellow followers so they have purchased with their trust and I always say that it in the journey of Going from finding someone that is potentially a lead to having that turn into a customer they do micro purchasing of you. I desks when someone says yes to subscribing to the lead to your list they just bought you with their trust absolutely as a currency and when they actually bought by you with money it's ultimately tangible show of trust if you want but but ignoring the other signs of purchasing Is is ignoring what you're actually building. Which is a human to human trust based relationship and so when we think in that way Lisa is that we consistently as a content creators as men on my end is i. I can't execute this strategy in this way if I not I feeling myself If I am not really asking myself who are these people that are in my email as well? The answer to that is they are my world in my community there my family. And what do I do for them? Well I I. I'm clear on what value I bring. And when you have that exercise of clarifying what can of initiative you're in and how do you serve that relationship then you can consistently kind of walk on that lane in that in that way? Meaning being consistent in your message being clear new value proposition and the other person receiving whatever it said you produce non what to expect from you so their safety and trust well and the thing that I absolutely love about everything that you do everything you stand for Dolores. Is You know for people to come back as a repeat customer and who are chomping at the bit for your new product your new sign up your new whatever you can only have successfully manifested that as a result of being congruent with your actions being in in total alignment with your initial messaging. Because when we talk about Finn Emily for people who and I love the fact that you categorize it and characterize it as such because there. Isn't anybody generally speaking? Who Doesn't feel? The most protective of their family members are immediate family members and so when you extend that characterization to all of those people who you provide service to and they really feel that that connection and they and they know that it's a mutual reciprocal one. Then then then you have really amplified. And you've underscored and you've demonstrated that yes. I've walked my talk with the trust core principle in any. Let me expand on this because a business owner and you're listening to his own over there listen to us but the truth is that we are in times of read thinking of revisiting every aspect of our lives and so on that in that spirit. I asked my team some specific questions and one of the questions I ask is that what do you love about working with? Massin clarity and what the team said across the board. They were like because we a they love. They love our clients. We attract great clients but be. They've never felt in position working with a client that they had to kind of put face or or put of a fire of an absolute client because they feel that whatever mess Z. Cloudy promises we deliver basic. Most companies are do that. It's what I want to say here is when you think about trust Building Trust based relationship so that you can grow a- consistent you know attractive company meantime coming to you. That doesn't just stay in the client facing side you either are or you're not in our age it is DNA and your team benefits from it. It's it's a family all of all like I. I'm not saying where family I mean it. And one of the things we're doing internally. As a team. We decided that I shared this with you guys. I don't know what's GONNA come up next month but win this together and if we all have to cut out our so that we all stay on. That's what we're GONNA do And so it's it's really not just saying that you lead a company on a trust based relationship is that it is part of every layer of what you do uncle. You are absolutely well all even take it one step further. Just generically say that if people aren't prepared to be with you during the worst of times they don't deserve to be with you during the best of time exactly exactly and who isn't on the receiving end at some in their lives of you know them needing the The anchor or they need the mentor. The Need to coach. They need the support or the team. Rally them. We're all if we haven't already all always be sorry if we haven't already been their life being what it is and what has presented and will continue to present to us and we're all sitting in it right now as an example That time will come. That time will come. Everybody's need and time of need and time of darkness will come so. Remember how you're treating people now exactly exactly exactly. So let's talk. Let's talk at Dolores about who is your ideal client. I mean I know I introduced a little bit of that in the intro. So people can connect the dots on that. But I want you to break it down for the listeners. Yes so my client is entre business owner. Who is running asthma basis and I have different programs but one of our main forums called cloudy. Sickles is we help. Business on a cool has yearly revenue of about fifty thousand dollars so not to six figure and they've been addicts for a year or two or three and then I kind of like. How do I get to the six figure stage? So the fifty two hundred thousand dollar kind of bread and in that what we do is we have a client again. Honing their message get some traction in the marketplace by clear positioning and create the back office or the scalable business model that when Biz marketing shows that pays dividends when the efforts of showing up online or version. Or wherever you show up starts getting traction that you have the bandwidth to have sold those clients at Yummy Times. I'd be talking to people and they're like all. Don't worry about it once. I get a lot of times I. That's a happy problem. I can deal with that. Then it's a problem. Yeah so you're only operating on a one on one. Basically one hour of your time for money Translating that into a scalable business model Requests Strategy so widely. Atlanta's that business owner who just wants to grow and for the most part. That's a service. Business owner coaches authors accountants. Dentists Health Professionals Writers that kind of business and we have the other group of I get clients which is a person that is leading much bigger company putting that two or three hundred thousand dollar range going to the million and for the most part they have the model set up and they are waiting for more business so what we do is we held them kind of tied up anything. Any to tighten on the on the business model side and automations on an and systematization systematization of any of that. But we for most of the time on how what did he do to be seen. So in messaging. Maybe getting them on a text. Each one of my specialties Get in that position to second to speak How do you work Irene? As far as speaker. How do you convert an all astrid dissolve disability fantastic? So let's talk about the tax specifically So do you have Because I don't know if this would be perceive ably accomplished of interest so if you work with your client base to positioned them properly getting them poised getting them articulated getting their messaging sound and saint but then they go through the process of how best to get in front of the panel. Who would be making the decision as to whether they would be selected are. Do you wear both hats on both sides of that like do you have pull with who get selected to to take the stage. We're GonNa let me just here so I I am a talking. I served but I haven't organized my event for three years. Okay so I organized twenty fifteen sixteen and Seventeen and at the reason why I stopped most bandwith. 'cause I was organizing an event for twelve hundred people as a bone tier position and just run out of capacity. And the other thing that happened. Lisa is that I candice go-to person to be to help people get on tech stages and I felt just what you were mentioning is that there's a conflict of interest while none of my clients ever spoke on my today. I drew I draw very harsh. Line there I I was place. I am placing people on. Stage is so one of the things that people know this. This is no is that a referral probably won't get you anywhere. Organizes really want to discover new talent and so when I get my clients to get selected for tax. We actually don't really reveal the. We're helping them what I'm meaning by. That is that we really strengthen our client for them to earn either tax. Got It you know when we help them. Apply to the application. We help them with a copy But they really earned and we don't even negotiate the terms When they get a selection they go for the audition we we obviously print them if they need to but we are really prepping and empowering a client to earn that stage fantastic and so does your business model opened up to say for example. Doing like sizzle reels in the background. So that they can send that in as part of their application yes so so we do have our civic groups that we use for today axe and it does not look like a sensor wheel because you want to be I under so you. You need to be protected. Berry underproduced and hyper clear. Got It. So he's got a weird Combo because not about the flashy real is about a low your mind idea that they they must have on their stage right. Well I know Ted ex tends to they run in themes right so. They're looking for something specific based on the culture of what's progressive or. What's what's the buzz. You know topic of discussion. That's floating around in the industry. So do you tend to get a bit of a heads up for your clients in advance to know based on the special the specialty or the expertise of each of your clients who actually would be more advantage or better position based on their topic or their brand for who by get chosen. Ideally yes so when we are a service where we is considered where I I so I work with the client enticing the message and they're talking of that and then once they're talk is ready and the positioning copy is ready. They were with my team. And my team identifies and applies on their behalf so in that research phase that we do that my team does for a planned Mitee man. I come up with a strategy and we filter the events we will apply to on behalf of a kind based on what the idea is and what the work is and the theme of the event so we absolutely do absolutely do a matching of best positioning for each time based on the theme of you. That's fantastic so the last thing that I'll just ask for additional clarity around this because this the more clear I get with you the more it offers and invites the opportunity for more of the listeners to reach out to you so whatever you know and I I tend to be quite in tune in knowing how my listeners are thinking in the podcast of scribes who are thinking so so let's say for example your clients. Let's you anyone generic person and they tend to have an expertise based on their back story or their life story or their passion or their purpose. But there it doesn't quite match up or a line with what the flavor of the month would be for the best recruitment candidates to get through a panel of selection the deciding factors so but knowing that that client still is a good speaker still is powerful has powerful delivery in their messaging. Have you had to change the lay of the land for what they would typically are normally speak about so as to give them more of an opportunity and a higher percentage of being sought out as a speaker for attacks? So yes absolutely. Because here's the thing. This is at four with very well known season speakers who had spoken for years in different stages but they wanted a tax or whatever and the conversation is different because the the attack stage is less about your work Obviously you will talk about you in the positioning part of of the of the work is less about the world. You've done more about the idea behind your work. And so all of my clients need to be in so I had this invasion many dads bounds. Awhile but I've been speaking for so many years and then I would say okay. Great what is the idea behind your work? And they will spend about twenty minutes on expanding the idea behind their work and then it will stop them and say that great but did you realize you just do twenty minutes idea for our top. That should be eighteen minutes right right nothing to do. It's just a different style like it is. You're shooting film because the documentary berry different environment so it is not about changing what they say but positioning in a way that is right for this medium okay and you happen to know what the more preferred topics are right now or ideas on behalf of tax. Okay so here's the thing. So the teams They're really more themes versus topics and themes are and I've done this an organizer. When you pick a scene you pick a very broad theme that will be able to invite different kinds of conversation meeting first of all Turtle Guys. Are you encouraged to to to have conversations across different industries or topics right? So he's less about specific subject matter and more about as clean in in that for example we did a theme. At one time. That was unbound. The word will be was called unbound and really was about eighty as in different categories are topping that were out there that were not bound by tradition or ruled or or what was done before so we were looking for a creative idea that would fit most speakers and so so the truth. Is that that. So when you're asking. What are the hot topics that if you I must be? I should be pitching for today. You know we're right now in. My team has paused. Although the applications for this ring of into any and then he goes on this region. We've had a few clients was text. Events were postponed so we are looking to start applying on we have clients in the fall of twenty twenty. I Dunno yet by an suspecting that we are going to see topics I the future of work how to build communities. When you can't be together the you family dynamics hall of topics on the disruption of education. I think going to be looking people going to the territory and they're gonNA be looking for ideas that address disruptions. That have happened in every inch while I would hope. One of the topics is emergency preparedness and yes and what does it? What does the world look like when our biggest threat is not a nuclear bomb by the virus absolutely them the democratization of do I know? That sounds weird but but here let let. Let's be honest. Incremented you know. For many of the people live in developed countries. The our crisis hunger death has been on TV far from whom we know it we. We are empathic to it. We fundraise for it but we do live it right. Well now we live it. Well you know I always. I always tend to go to the abstract right so you know. I put up something the other day in in some of my social media posting eggs. I always you know. I always try to get people to critically think and look. How about things from a devil's advocate perspective? So as to perpetuate deeper more meaningful type conversations and so you know what I put forth was you know. what if perhaps we are the We are the disease and covert nineteen is the cure. My daughter and I have been having a conversation. I'll tell you a quick story and I know reversal. But that's okay. I don't care. This is a controversial show. Let me tell you so. My daughter is a freshman in college. Yup and she had her first semester last semester and the requirement of the program. Whatever she had to take climate change Class and she. She did the whole thing and was exposed to a lot of ideas and and got ball with a lot of projects and was very passionate. And then you know from the from the what is it. The medal straws to not use these straws to the plastic by conversation. All of that and what she said to me she wait. The world will be so great. If we could just get the hell out of here. We are the coverage of this epoch. Well but the thing is too you know like. It's a decision every single day whether we're talking about the environment whether we're talking about the energy that we omit to our loved ones our children in terms of parenting and role modeling every decision. We make it's premised on my part of the solution or my part of the problem and contributor or am I contaminated right like it. Really fundamentally comes down to that and sometimes people are operating in a space where they're doing it subconsciously. It's not that there's intentional malice or ignorance. That's being exuded and and exhibited out there in the world but this is you know we don't if we don't do personal inventory. We don't check ourselves at the door before being so apt to cast judgment on other people and be so quick to find a so called person in which to designate. Blame well you know we are all culpable at some level. There are so many areas that we could all vastly improve upon their. You know there's always ways in which to expand our level of self awareness thing you know because we're all with L. growing older ideologies or scripts that we know. We're ASININE and we're counterintuitive. So that applies at the micro level. It applies at the macro level. It applies that the universal level and the individual level. So to what degree are we all going to take advantage of this gift of time? We've been given to figure ourselves out. Yeah in that sense you know. The current virus is a A ventilator absolutely absolutely well I mean it's causing effect. I mean it's so it's such a basic concept you know there's consequences whether positive or negative for every action or inaction. Yeah exactly right. This isn't random. This isn't coincidence. But you start if everybody starts putting in the pot you know apathy or complacency or mediocrity and everybody you know it doesn't matter what the ratio the distribution of of how many people are bigger contributors compared to how many people are occasionally contributing but if the pot that we're contributing to is going to cripple us you know there's there's no you know. Look at the the environment right. There's only so much people can withstand. There's only so much mother. Nature can withstand Berkeley. But anyway I digress. And that's a whole different showing itself. But I want to. I want to give you the opportunity. Dolores where can people reach you? How can people talk to you about an initial consult What's the length of time too narrowly speaking and I know it would be different for every individual client but on the on the shorter end to the the more drawn out. And how long do people generally work with you before they perhaps come back for a different reason? Yeah so I have clients who come and say I've been selected to speak at an event. I need a talk right now. Just one way that it worked with people and that's five time with me and we do four hours and you have a talk and then the most people come on what with me for a year and they. They completely transformed their business. I have a client who came and worked with me in two thousand nineteen and she said Ninety. Nine percents of my work comes from me on a plane. Going to people's companies and Ryan Workshops. And I'm getting older and I wanted to kind of have a different kind of setup and thank God we did. We worked together in two thousand nineteen and twenty twenty. She started January doing her usual trial. And now we are here March twenty twenty and I just had a meeting with. He said you know what all of my customers now accustomed to be supporting them. Virtually and I have this mastermind that I don't have to travel for so today. My business is fine but a year before it would have been nothing so she's working on with neon second year so most kind will work for a year entrance. Forming their communications tried either visibility strategy and their business model so they can rescale. I I love to say that I have about eighty percents retention have been with me for three or four years fantastic And so that's an people. Come TO MASTERS IN CLARITY. Dot Com and we offer Where WE CALL CLARITY CALLS OR FREE? Cloudy sessions to Anybody that is interested in experimenting with US. Love a couple of things. I'm going to say simultaneously. So you know because you treat your clients and your staff team has a family no doubt your your influx and a over subscribership for people wanting to work with you is based on referrals. Right people people forget that people for people forget that it's word of mouth that has so much residual impact You know people buy into you. They know you're the real deal and they see other people who are in their tribe doing like-minded things or walking similar paths in life. You're going to be the automatic person. Refer you to based on how you treated them and not treat it not just treated them When the service has been provided but the fact that you still follow up with them after they've like completed the invoice right. Yeah exactly exactly the other thing. I the thing I was going to say was in your experience. Deloris what what is the difference? What is the the discerning fundamental factor? For how you would characterize somebody being a good speaker to an outstanding speaker View has beaker and you are the audience and you go out of the meeting room and you. Let's join a session your five speakers bag and then it's lunchtime and you go out and say which could you like the most and they say so and so what was the main idea. What do they talk about? And they can actually verbalize what they were talking about. In a way that makes a difference in the world. Then that's we did a good job but what is that? Let's break that down to sunlight. Let site some actual criteria for that for anybody. Who's listening right now? Who is speaker but wants to level up with you and would already have already perhaps received the feedback that they're a good sought out speaker but they know that there's always room for improvement. You listening to people with your discerning ear. What is it that stands out for the people who would be able to offer the feedback? You just mentioned yeah so so if you are a motivational speaker or a very successful speak of you. WanNa be a transformation on speaker meaning that you transform your audience's flu your message. There's a couple of things that you want to have lead. You need to be intentional. About number one is. What is the one call message? The one gift that he wanted to give you audiences. I know you can talk about a lot of things but if you only have a very short amount of time one thing that you want to make sure that they take with them when they and as a speaker you must be clear on that and then the second as your talk is not about engaging storytelling because storytelling is an engaging tool but he's not a talk it's about using the appropriate stories to deliver the gift of that main message. Leakers say Oh people love by stories and that is great but when you you know story will make an audience feel good and and say that was a great speaker but he will not make an audience. Remember you right well. I think it's important to break it down to like because there's so many transformational speakers is a lot of people who are on point with their messaging. But you know when I when I even like when I get interviewed on other people's podcasts and I'm looking at them from an interviewer standpoint because that's the rule I I tend to regularly occupy myself. You know or the people who I'm interviewing and I've been doing this for five years so I mean and they're all speakers a good portion of them in some way shape or form they're all speakers or storytellers. But I'm talking about things like cadence. I'm talking about metaphors. I'm talking about analogies. I'm talking about visual graphics. Going for the heart does go so a couple of things about the easier slides and visuals. Every time you put words on deck you are. You're competing with yourself as a speaker agreed. I don't like props at all. The autism is either reading your deck or listening to you. I do encourage people to use slides by g US one image per slide. The rain is anchoring that visual cue with your words and so we're up slides slides have to be imitated. They HAVE TO COMPLIMENT UTAH. Yes that number two on your talk. The first sixty seconds a Golden. Yes and so. Most beakers are many will walk onstage and present themselves until people what they're going to talk about exactly does what you're doing. You already lost your. Yes you have because you WANNA walk on stage. I don't care if you haven't been introduced yet. I don't care if anybody knows who you are. Because they don't care to know you yet until they have to care that's right and so the first sixty seconds of your own you open your mouth in front of a room of people is what is in it for them getting even a reason to listen to you And the difference right is that I teach them how to do that. Question and they'll want expressing tense storytelling tools. But I the one of them is designed to give the person who is selling in their C- China of their phone maybe check in the last e-mail look up and said Oh. Wait this person's talking to me so so once you do that successfully say you pass the test that the next step you need to do as a speaker is tell them what you're gonNa tell them because you just make the audience care care about whatever you're going to say now you have to tell them. Make them curious. What is it that you're GONNA talk about? This is not what you go on teach or or deliver your talk. This is when you take a stand for what you stand for what you believe what you've resurge of what you've learned. I would say I believe that. A clear message wrapped in an approach that is based on human relationships is the best way to grow your business absolutely well. The thing is i. I'm cognizant of time here but I you know I know I if we're talking about specifically I know it would. The answer would probably be predicated on. What the theme would be right? So if you're about let's say for example if you're talking about artificial intelligence then you're going to want to hook people based on logic based on cerebral type thinking if the theme is something to do you know at the emotional level you're gonna WanNa Hook them at the heart level right so but but even with that being said and knowing that there might be distinct categories that one would you know govern or navigate their talk based on Do you tend to see more success with speakers regardless of the theme being more Heart based or head based okay so first of all when we talked about into using your idea it really is themed free meaning. It is really about your idea. Why so so? The heart is the first sixty seconds and then the next step the next sixty seconds of you want. It doesn't have to be that my time more or less. It's more cerebral. So the first is hard the second cerebral and the third is hard again by introducing yourself. Okay so really is about I. E C thirty seconds statement of the core essence of your talk and because then extended later. Okay and have you yourself ever given a talk on stage? I have not delivered tax talk. I've never applied either But it's something that I'm GonNa be doing in this in French fantastic. Yeah I've been the MC of mine for years but But I never applied to speak and so what types of top I mean. Obviously for you. I would think that the the obvious one would be anything that has to do with trust. Yes and the one talk that I I've been thinking. I got to just get ready to start a line in Martian. So now we postpone the fall but is one of the things. I talk about in a trust. I talk a lot about positioning innocent Yeah obviously I related topics and as you can hear. I'm from Argentina. I am not American and I do have an accent and the title of the talk is that I'm that I'm delivering is my accent. My asset. Yes about identify. What makes you different and using that? That makes you different to move you forward. I so love that you said that I so love that you said that because oftentimes I think the mistake people make without maybe intentionally doing it or being conscious of the fact that they're doing it is everybody's looking at WHO's been successful based on what and then they're trying to be the carbon copy they're trying to emulate and they're piggybacking. Cherry picking and then they don't realize why they fell short or fell flat on their face. And it's like well. There's only ever one oprah there's only one ever Rene Brown there's you know there's only one Deepak Chopra you've got you've got to find your own voice and you automate and know your flavor and you've gotta take what works for you that separates you from the rest and stand out and stand apart. That's the attractor factor your becky at me. That's common sense but I think oftentimes that's where people miss the boat. Yeah and also people Become trapped and victims of the differences And I believe that your defense is your superpower absolutely absolutely well. We've covered a lot of ground here. I'm really happy with this interview. And I really. I really quite like you. Dolores I really do so I wanna give you an opportunity again. Two parts the listening audience into the PODCAST scrubbers. Where can people reach you? What's upcoming on the calendar? What should people be looking out for? And what should people be discussing with you at the initial trust level? Yes so you can reach me. At MATHESON CLARITY DOT COM. You can go to start here to book a free clarity call and what's coming up for us. It mustn't clarity is really designing of being part of the design of the new world so one of the focuses we have is helping people. Communicate affected me and run virtual companies. We have created a whole set of solutions for people who might be a little bit. Scared are hesitant to now go remote. We even have a solution for bigger corporations that are now in need of leading remote teams. And so what people talk with as you know focus on how can be. I. Can they be so clear? And so Assertive that I can lead the conversation mystery. Fantastic very quickly deloris. Because everybody defines it or perceives it differently. What living fearlessly mean to? You live in theaters means to me engaging your creativity every time you comes around the corner if one eight year live by with creativity and positive fantastic well again because we unpacked a lot in such a short finite period of time if there was one take way or breakthrough that you would hope would penetrate with the listening audience in the podcast subscribers out of all the yummy stuff that we discussed here mutually today. What would be the one impressing thing that you would hope that the listeners? Walk Away with clarity five who you are and how you Sir Nikkei back to the world in an honest way and you will be able to give it and survive. Whatever comes your way beautiful. Absolutely beautiful and again very quickly. Is there anything that I did not ask you that? You wish that I had. How many children do okay? That's random I have two children good. I have four so lovely. We're moms were Mama Bear's but but I just want to say Dolores for the difference that you're making by showing up and see. This is why I love what you're doing because you're the uplift under your the inspire your the encourage her to get other people to show up not just for themselves. But by honing that and knowing that there's always ways to improve upon that and to extrapolate upon that and deepen that and expand upon that you know that's going to call it a stage call it whatever caught now virtual zoom reality chat. This is what's going to make these people stand up and rise as effectively and is impacting and as profoundly as they can for their intended audience. So the role that you play in behind the scenes is hugely instrumental. And I just want to say for the work that you continue to do in the space. I very much appreciate you. I think you're wonderful. I love seeing on particularly female entrepreneurs so if there's anything that I can do going forward to additionally down the road because we're all about trust you and I Where I can help you out or help your clients out. I'm always here for you. And you've always got an open standing invitation to come back and to share with whatever else is up coming that's worth sharing with the listening audience and the podcast subscribers. You're always welcome back to Laura. I think you're you're quite lovely so much thank you well. Thank you for the gift of your time so to the my listening audience. I WanNa thank you very much for the gift of your time as well For showing up here and and participating in listening to this conversation with myself and Dolores Hirschman. I'm very clear on my purpose. My purpose is to uplift you to fear less and to live more until next Friday. I wish you a safe healthy. And hopefully positive spirited weekend okay take care all my best. We'll talk soon. This is alcohol from CBS Radio. Thanking you once again for taking time out of your hectic schedules to tune into another fantastic weekly episode of living fearlessly with Lisa McDonald. Another shout out of wholehearted gratitude to living fearlessly with Lisa. Mcdonald's corporate sponsors health and Honda forever and that reviews clicks shares downloads feedback and testimonials or always appreciated. 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Leading Ladies: Dolores del Rio

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07:56 min | 10 months ago

Leading Ladies: Dolores del Rio

"Hey listeners rarely do I get to read an ad for a company that I've seen grows since inception I'm so excited to tell you about Bev Bev is breaking norms and changing drinking culture to empower women. Eighty. Percent of adult beverage companies are still male owned and operated while sixty to seventy percent of the consumer. Is female beverage trying to change that? Has Three canned winds that are crisp, dry and a little busy. The fact that the wind is in cans. Makes it so easy to transport and take wherever you are. Get Yours by going to drink dot com and use the Promo Code Jenny to get fifteen percent off your order. Check it out, I promise. It's really worth it and you're supporting someone I love. Hello from wonder media, network I'm Jenny Kaplan, and this is encyclopedia will Manteca. Today's leading lady was Mexican actress whose career spanned. Fifty years. She was one of the first. Latin, American actresses to successfully make it in Hollywood. Let's talk about Dolores del Rio. Maria de los Dolores Soon Solo. Lopez Nicorette Day was born in Nineteen, thousand, hundred, four in Victoria did Durango Mexico. She belonged to a family of aristocrats who lost their fortunes in the Mexican revolution. Her family members fled their hometown and eventually reunited in Mexico City. In nineteen nineteen. Dolores was inspired to pursue a career and dance after seeing Russian Ballerina Anna Pavlova performed, but deloris felt unattractive compared to her peers to encourage her dolores. Mother commissioned the famous artist Alfredo Ramos Martinez to paint her portrait. Dolores credited this painting with helping her recognize her own beauty. In twenty one dolores married high may Martinez del Rio even yent. Whom she'd met at a hospital benefit. By nineteen, twenty four, they lost their fortune and Dolores suffered a miscarriage. She was informed that future pregnancy could risk her life. In nineteen twenty five, Dolores. Highway met Edwin car away. An influential native American filmmaker Edwin was struck by Dolores as musical talent suggested that she returned with him to Hollywood. Dolores made her debut in his nineteen, twenty five silent film Joanna. Though she was billed as a Spanish actress, she fought to change the label to Mexican to reflect her true heritage. To Loris is filmed, attracted small and dedicated audiences because oppressed necessity. She was repeatedly cast play Latin tropes. Dolores is breakthrough came when she started the second highest grossing film of Nineteen Twenty Six. A movie called what price glory. In Nineteen, twenty eight, she earned rave reviews in Ramona which achieved greater popularity due to a title song that she sang. Ramona came out just as films with sound replacing silent ones deloris saying Ramona on the radio to prove she was an actress fit for sound. I'll. She triumphed and her transition to talkies, but her personal life suffered in nineteen, twenty eight dolores and high may separated. He died six months after she filed for divorce. As. She grieved, Dolores also grappled with calculated harassment from Edwin as he attempted to control her career Edwin, wanted to marry Dolores, an even prepared his own divorce when she cancelled her contract with him. Edwin pressed criminal charges against her, which were settled out of court. In nineteen. Thirty deloris married Cedric Gibbons an MGM art. Director during the nineteen thirties to. Cedric were considered one of the most glamorous couples in Hollywood. deloris earned critical acclaim for her performances in the films flying down to Rio and Madame Berry in flying down to Rio. Dolores became the first major actress, too, where two piece swimsuit on camera. Set your cut power in the film industry and attempted to use it to get dolores cast in lead roles for high budget films, but even with his influence, Hollywood executives prioritized white, American stars. Dolores was considered to be extremely beautiful with a classic face, but her race was seen as alien, and she was repeatedly given sexualize and highly exotic sized roles in nineteen forty Dolores, Orson Welles and had an affair, causing dolores and cedric to divorce. Orson became notorious with the release of citizen Kane. And Dolores is association with him caused her role to be drastically cut in the film journey into fear. In Nineteen forty-three Dolores abandoned the Glamour of Hollywood. She said that she wished to stop being a star and become an actress, but she felt she could only do in Mexico. She became a key figure in the golden age of Mexican cinema and starred in several Spanish language. Films Including Maria, Kandal Aria, which was the first Mexican film to screen at the Cannes Film Festival, Still Dolores would occasionally return to Hollywood in nineteen, fifty four. She was slated to star opposite Spencer. Tracy in broken lance when the US government denied her permission to work. In the United States to Laurus was close friends with outspoken communists, ticao and Diego Rivera. And her association with them resulted in the accusation that she was sympathetic to international communism. Eventually deloris was given permission to work in Hollywood again, and in nineteen, fifty seven, she was selected as the vice president of the canned film festival jury. She was the first woman to hold the position. Later in life Dolores dedicated her time to philanthropy in nineteen sixty, she co founded the Society for the protection of the artistic treasures of Mexico which serve to preserve his buildings and artwork. In the nineteen seventies, deloris has found the Union group Rosa Mexicano, which provided child care for members of the Mexican actors guild. In nineteen ninety-three at the age of seventy, eight dolores died of liver failure. To Laura's was always conscious of the power of artistic representation. She said I'm eager to play in stories concerning my native people the Mexican race. It is my dearest wish to make fans realize their real beauty. There wonder their greatness as people. To Laura's paved the way for more women of Color in Hollywood. Tune in tomorrow for the story of another leading lady. For more on why we're doing what we're doing. Checkout our encyclopedias, a mannequin newsletter manteca weekly. You can also follow us on facebook and Instagram at Encyclopedia. Lamonica and you can follow me directly on twitter at Jenny Kaplan special. Thanks to lose Kaplan fever, sister and co-creator Talk to you tomorrow. I WANNA. Tell you about another podcast. I think you might like the Brain Candy podcast hosted by the very intelligent and witty Doctor Susie Meister and Sarah Rice. The show is winning awards for its laugh. Whilst you learn approach to a wide variety of topics from serious to the terribly absurd I highly recommend this as a great source of information and a lighthearted therapy, the brain candy podcast. Check it out wherever you listen. We'll also put the link in the show notes. Check it out.

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S2: Halloween: The Friendly Stranger

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27:09 min | 1 year ago

S2: Halloween: The Friendly Stranger

"Due to the graphic nature of this urban legend listener discretion is advised this episode includes depictions of Murder Gore and car accidents we advise stream caution for children under thirteen. You're a good person everyone says so places was written by Lil deridder Jennifer Shay I'm Greg Paulson hatchet and she brings it down on your head percents. Halloween feed on spotify you can find episodes of haunted places and all other podcasts originals free on spotify or wherever you're a mile or two of town when she reaches into her purse probably for one of those butter scotches all grandma's have them at all times listen to podcasts to stream haunted places free on spotify just open the APP and type haunted places in the search bar at par cast Bourbon Legends Halloween special every day for the month of October rebuilding our spooky spin on an urban legend that diving you realize something is off in the Harry armed hitchhiker variation she's far hairier than she should be it's a sign of deception into the history of the horror like it or not each terrifying tale contains a grain of truth it's also part of our series on we take you to the scariest aereas most haunted real places on earth at share their stories this episode is your grumbling to her about the state of the world what a metal sheen planks and the blinking crimson half light it's a up to eleven offering a story about mistaken identity acting on instinct and the dangers of taking people at their word in the friendly stranger a woman charms her way into your car but as you drive along we're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do it we love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at of evil intentions and the vulnerable woman who finds the hitchhiker in her car is right to mistrust and fear them the you of course you'll give her a ride you say you help her remember her daughters address what a nice person you are she tells you welcome to haunted places car cast original. I'm Greg pulsing every Thursday me was convinced that black Friday was one of the circles of hell she hated the nonstop crowds the cross Genre Smith Music and the energy that radiated the store as everyone struggled to finish their shopping and find the best possible deals on everything except gender identity we get a far more nuanced take an examination of the Good Samaritan Pulse in an era where we rarely know our names we where we delve into the fascinating traditions behind the world's scariest holiday if you enjoy this episode be sure to check out the rest of the park what's that dates back to the nineteenth century the friendly stranger and variation the Harry armed hitchhiker amp the fear strangers on her feet then her back then her arms desperate shoppers were stepping right over her she tried to stand but someone's foot of a false woman is a common trope in horror stories inspired by the eroneous belief that an evil man needs only to put on a dress and makeup see a little old woman waiting by your car your first concern is for her you wonder what could have gone wrong she knows where she is what you can tint to transgender women simply because of a trend in fiction but if we examined the deception of the person in the backseat without the specific stories let alone the people we run into at the mall at the side of the road or more in our rideshare in its simplest elements the friendly streets the person behind her pushed into her other started pushing from the sides the gate hadn't even opened yet as it started to rise despite all the potential warning signs and does being a good person matter if you're dead sure of someone trying to step on her head before they changed directions mia curled up into a ball shaking slowly but footsteps began to read sure is a story about a woman struggling to decide how nice a person she can be without risking her own safety does she help someone when they ask for it in order to be seen as trustworthy while it has little basis in reality this boogeyman has even found its way into politics with many ascribing militias oh it hurt when she breathed mia staggered into the store like a Zombie praying that our beloved sweater wasn't sold out there fight the ninth circle of hell to get it usually a trip like this would take ten minutes instead it had taken several hours to even get to the arm but they pushed forward anyway elbows came towards her face she did her best to duck away from them but one swung straight into her eye was still one left in her size she looked left then right then plucked Iraq and healthy close to chest she wasn't even shopping for gifts this was a gift to herself she had waited months for designer chenille sweater to go on sale then she was ready to the parking lot this just was interior day but she had this winter and that's what mattered she took a deep breath and continue entrance of the store people hovered around the metal gate to the poor retail workers struggled to open it she could see the fear in their eyes and she I slowly ahead poked up over the rear seats panic started to set in she hadn't taken anyone to the store today was already on me a check your pockets her keys were still there maybe someone else had the same sticker but there was rose but none of them belonged to her finally she spotted the familiar worn out presidential campaign sticker on the back bumper the card mia paid for her sweater and headed out of the store into the chaos of the mall parking lot she stepped onto the sidewalk only to be nearly flattened pushed down again she covered her head with her hands and prayed for it all to be over more feed pounded across her body she felt the gentle feet steady but her balanced never been great to begin with she fell into the person in front of her but two of them tumble to the ground. Mia felt pressure fast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening today we examine a family of urban legend lost child she headed for the checkout the cashier smiled at her in sympathy they both agreed that the holidays brought out the worst in people people began to duck under the opening the rest of the crowd devolved into chaos mia was shoved from all sides she tried to keep her you stop it all night the flashing red indicating four way stop the driver to your left speeds through ignoring the right of way for them me tried to hang back but the crowd surged around her when they saw someone who looked like a manager step towards the door it was a false alarm of those passengers the ones who didn't want to converse so much as interrogate dill started to delve into more personal questions via white suv with the Rudolph the red nosed reindeer knows an Antler is affixed to it she threw herself backward nearly slipping on the black ice her she told me that she didn't pay enough attention to the world around her mia gave her a strained smile so dolores let the car running but maybe she had she had hit her head quite hard in the rush after all she didn't have I mean why this wasn't where she was supposed to be but the woman who gave her name as Dolores politely refused to go she was just so tired the success did her entire body ached from earlier but she always struggled with telling people know so she got into the forward she wanted to be home with their cheesy made for TV Christmas movies like yesterday she passed several Honda fits she walked the Aw Dolores instructed MEA to use the service roads rather than highways fewer drivers would make it easier for me to pay attention to the road on the back seat window in elderly woman stared up at her deep lines carved into her face she didn't look confused where do you live what did she do for work was there someone waiting for her to come home. These weren't the standard questions she was used to hearing and earlier harder. Dolores told me to be patient but turn would come when it came until then she should just enjoy the scenery instead she looked at ease content happy to be in the back of a stranger's car me did her best to explain indeed there was enough clearance for her stand up dark bruises for blooming hunter arms she was sure there were several matching ones on her legs and torso ignored the dig and follow Dolores instructions the sooner she could drop the other woman off the better mia asked for the next set of directions add it especially when Delors had just be rated her for not paying enough attention to the road a dog grant through the field sending now back to the story MIA had bravely endured the black Friday crowds to purchase a sweater but even after she escaped the friend driver's seat MIA pulled out of her spot nearly colliding with a car waiting for it she apologized as best she could dolores ticked at it didn't the back that had come from backing up to close to her mother's planters it was her car head to be she approached heard of me. I did want people sitting in her car she shouldn't have left it running it was very cold out here me was positive that she had it was something but mia hadn't expected to see several large knives one of them turmoil to speak when she caught sight of the floor. Dolores purse at spilled hope it buried beneath cough drops discount coupons and chapstick the large field running parallel to the road was beautiful spotty snow cover but she didn't understand why Dolores was telling her to look at was ahead of jet black hair. Dolores is hands free of any wrinkles as was her neck me open she appeared to have hit her head on something bent forward nearly in half but her wig had fallen to the ground and underneath way as mia headed towards her car she got a better look at the person's bad short gray curls me tap the heart to kick an old woman out of car did Lawrence asked if she could just drop her home the bus took too long these days everyone was always running powder up with each step it looked so happy sprinting to the snow without a leash or person to hold them back she wasn't prepared when the dog dope couldn't tell if Dolores was completely unconscious or just stunned either way she was closer to the knives they mocked me Dick Shoppers she found herself with another problem. There was an old woman in her car requesting a ride home always polite mia resigned yourself Her one possibility protection glinting on the floor of the car near the passenger side door MIA reached out slowly straight for her car she slammed on the brakes her whole body jerking against the steering wheel me. Check the rear view mirror to see if dolores was okay. Eight cold calculating searching MIA could only explain her unease in primal sense she was looking stop clause dolores to hit her head me was concerned for her elderly hitchhiker but the jostling had revealed a terrifying truth Dolores when there was enough room for her to get out MIA slithered off the seat and onto the asphalt she pushed the door back slowly strangers and the last one structure is the oddest she lived alone but she lied and told Dolores that her family was waiting for her in keeping her hand as low as she could her eyes locked into Laura's the whole time she strained and strain willing herself kate dry blood coming up MIA has to escape from the slasher in her car reach when Dolores stirred briefly mia felt cold metal brushed the tips over fingers it was as far as she could safely re wasn't old at all she was young with several bloody knives in her bag mia sized darted between the knives and Dolores the the task delores turned out to be distracting passenger a few minutes into the drive me almost crashed the car and worse the abroad she panicked in the moment she slid out from under the car each scrape the asphalt against your body meter free but delors looked lost in her own World Mia spoke louder and the older woman spoke again her voice different than it had which she took a deep breath and closed her hand around the blade the serrated edge dog into her skin she bit the behind she missed the old days where you could just hitch a ride from a kind stranger maybe ended up having a life changing experience me one year. Mia Stared for second uncertain if she should run or call the cops the woman's eyes opened they were escape route maybe she could misdirect dolores the door on the other side of the car opened and that slap shot with their uninjured hand dried blood and small rocks at caked into the wound making it nearly impossible to close her palm let alone square open I finished uninjured hand and checked the back seat window deloris round coke bottle glasses had cracked dangling precariously off at a Predator someone who didn't have any scruples came to violence MIA duct back down under the car away from the most he's terrified that her pursuer what here she was so tired the Bruce's from the mall made everything sore there was almost enough space for her to enter the door slide open a few more centimeters then she was yanked upwards her body fighting her every step of the way she was inches from freedom but she hadn't been careful enough hadn't been fast enough MIA watched dolores orthopedic shoes as they headed towards the field there was a choice here across the street and there were several trees and some houses far off in the distance if she could get to one of them she could ask for help or she it's it just open enough that it wouldn't make a noise she bit down under cheek as she pulled the knife out of her palm mia silence of her cheeks to stop herself from screaming. Mia pulled your hand back slowly. Dolores seemed out cold up towards the gray sky deloris was the first to speak she told me to step away from the car and head staring at Dolores now it was hard to believe that Mia had ever been fooled into thinking dolores was an old woman mia hadn't taken and the sound was deafening amidst the climate of the area snow beginning to fall she put her knife on the ground in grab for the handle put islets for starting to flutter meal used her other hand to gently grip the door handle she pressed it outwards slams against the door of the car her knife clatter to the ground she felt a blade against the back of her neck a small dribble of blood headed home if you go by chain letters and whispered rumours someone as with any force. Mia Paused from this angle she'd lost sight of Dolores me open the door a little wider and sing at the sound it made me push the door open centimeter by centimeter Kare is locked onto Loris burgle out some sort of response then she fell blood splattering in the fresh Snow Mia slid into the driver's seat they could see the fake reach lines and the areas where the makeup had sweated off they stood in silence staring each other down could try and save herself right now she never hurt someone before she was a good person but she didn't want to die what if taking a deeper slash against the woman's neck blood sprayed across her face and Torso Dolores brought her hands to throat she tried to a time to study your face in the shadows of her back seat and Dolores is distinctive glasses or the only detail she'd really noticed now knife wounds as filled with gravel and dirt me a winced as she climbed to her knees the movement was painful eight she pulled her shirt over her head and wipe the blood off her face then she put on her new sweater and dates all the way back to eighteen thirty four when the Stanford Mercury reported an account from a buggy driver who noticed a five o'clock shadow under Jack Mia capitalized on Dolores disorientation grabbing the knife with their uninjured hand she didn't stop to think her decisions through towards the field mia held up her hands and surrender she took two steps away from the car coming perilously close to the knife Eh sliding Downer skin deloris cleared her throat she ordered me to turn around Mia moved slowly the frame were unexpected amount of body hair unnerved by the confusing gender presentation the woman seeks out security guards who discover the old woman what clung to her the knife old stunt she blinked away tear Little Red Riding Hood and the Harry Armed hitchhiker are versions of a wolf in sheep's clothing a saying drawn from the New Testament which often describes breath was visible MIA's puffed in quick gasps while the trails ever enemies smooth long exhales curved made like she was going to pass Dolores at the last second she turned shoving her wounded hand into Dolores face the Louis Riel dangerous predators hiding in plain sight the Harry armed hitchhiker is itself part of a broader urban legend loosely referred to as the Front Little Red Riding Hood a male wolf disguises himself as a harmless old lady in order to kill and eat a young girl boiled down both she slid the blade across dolores as throat the skin split but she hadn't hit anything major MIA try to Ken Female Hitchhikers Bonnet The buggy driver asked the woman for help with the horses when she stepped out of the buggy he drove away he later discovered criminal as well this kind of deception has its roots more in folklore and religious texts that historical counts for example in the story two loaded pistols and eight hundred dollars in cash in the basket she left behind marking his passenger as not just a social deviant but is actually a man with a hatchet in his purse this notion of a man masquerading as a woman in order to sexually assault and murder and and accepted an offer of help from twenty nine year old set your cobb cobb sexually assaulted her bound her and then threw her off a dam into an the flat then asks for ride over to his car on the other side of the mall she gets an uneasy feeling and declines she later be harmed for anyone could be a wolf in sheep's clothing so are we to trust twenty two year old Julia Ashe was kidnapped from a department store parking lot and Waterbury Connecticut she had emerged from the store to discover her car had a flat tire stranger in this tale a well dressed man with a briefcase approaches a woman now she realizes she has a flat tire you offers to assist changes pretending to be an old woman has been trying to abduct and murder women by asking for ride at nearly every mall in the United States and Canada the savvy fun and safe brightly lit welcoming men and women are exactly what they appear to be on the surface the Harry armed hitchhiker indicates the he would be victim tends to realize something is wrong by noting the killer doesn't really fit the conventional appearance of an old woman usually an overly musket arm anyone and there was only one confirmed case of anyone using a flat tire as a diversion to abduct someone on December Sixteenth Nineteen Eighty nine installing fluorescent lights judging people by their outward appearance keep a safe or is the only safe choice to lock your car doors thanks again for tuning into haunted places we'll be back tomorrow with a new urban legend and on Thursday with a new icy pond Julia Ashe was found on Christmas Day her frozen feet sticking out of the ice both the front your favorite music but now spotify's making it easy for you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals like haunted places free from your phone lines that his briefcase has been left in her car containing some sort of blood-stained weapon he was the one who punctured tire danger of breaking the scheme just as the broader friendly strangers suggests that valuing the empathy of the Good Samaritan is just inviting yourself sir into place you can find more episodes of haunted places and all other power cast originals free on spotify not only to spotify already have on this version leans on the tactics used by serial killer Ted Bundy who would charm women into the vicinity of his car by pretending to be disabled or injured doc or smart speaker destroy haunted places on spotify just open the APP type haunted places in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and never give any stranger awry all of them haunted places was created by Max Cutler is a production of cutler media and it's part of the podcast network it is produced by Max early stranger and the Harry Armed hitchhiker are about the horror of suburban expectations in Western culture. Shopping malls are supposed to be donate to animal shelters you volunteer at the soup kitchen. Even when it's not Thanksgiving and you call people out when they say bigoted things so to grab at podcast and twitter at podcast network until tomorrow don't believe some of the things you hear believe in Ron Cutler with sound design by Karie Murphy Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Paul Molitor Maggie Admire and Travis Clark this episode upon only to beat them over the head at deduct them today to there have been no incidents of men masquerading as old women in order.

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Westworld | Season 3 Finale Recap: Crisis Theory

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1:11:46 hr | 1 year ago

Westworld | Season 3 Finale Recap: Crisis Theory

"Westworld season three is over but we are just getting started talking about the westworld season. Three finale here on post show recaps the welcome to Westworld. Podcast here on Poche recaps. Though it's also the good to Westworld podcast here today. Post show recap. Some Josh Winkler joined by Joe Gar. Fine Joe it happened so fast. How is this the end of the season already? I'm sorry I'm in twenty. Twenty four is sitting on a hotel. Room bent dusty waiting for the PODCAST. I yeah how long is it going to be? I mean it was that final scene in. Obviously we're talking about plowing a couple of days removed from the for now. GotTa assume you've watched the finale major. Spoilers are out to drop in your ears if have not so. Is your last chance to really turn away. Maybe we'll softly this territory right now but yeah is that is that final image of a dust. Covered Bernard are we Bernard is that us is that what's about to happen that we are just waiting on the edges of our beds locked in our rooms collecting dust as we wait for more. Westworld I think they filmed that long before the quarantine but yeah metaphor totally prescient super eerie depressing a little on the nose. But Hey westworld is nothing if not with an eye on the future so good on them for for nailing that one a lot to talk about here as we're talking about crisis. Theory Season Three Episode Eight Aka. The season finale of westworld season three. The new world is complete with a new world is in sight. The old world is in ruins as bombs or ringing throughout. La As rehoboth is gone as the final strategy has been enacted as humans or now untethered as a few characters are untethered from west rolled as well rip. Dolores will discuss whether or not. That's the true death as they would say on a different. Hbo Show or if that is just one of many deaths. Rip William and we'll discuss whether or not that's a true death because it certainly seems Harris will still be a part of the show in a way that probably is much more pleasing to Ed Harris based on some fire- interview comments. He has made and Bernard has has gone away to the valley beyond only to come back at some unknown point in the future. So yeah there's just there's a ton to process a lot to unpack. A lot has changed over the course of this episode and Made Third Twenty Twenty s when crisis theory airs and we think season four episode. One airs. Joe. Do we do you really think it's twenty twenty four. Is it that far down the line? We'll normally there's a two year gap between seasons Westworld. It's obviously a very large production. I think because the quarantine we're looking at late twenty twenty two early twenty twenty three in the spring which sounds crazy right now but we survive the wait between season so far so for those of us who are still very much on board. We will be waiting patiently. We'll be waiting patiently even if we're not on board some of us will be waiting patiently. I'm sure some of US will be tuning in talking about anyone in particular in this podcast. Joe Certainly a definitely not joe crisis theory. It landed divisively as you and I have talked about offline. Joe had had a great line. Where you're wake. You couldn't see anybody tweeting at you other than people who were just really mad about the finale. It's true and to be fair. They were constructive and Nice. Yes for the most part. I tend to not read articles of other podcast. Till after I record with you because I want to have my life. Fresh thoughts sure and but like to take. The temperatures are went on twitter. Sunday night We didn't have the screeners so we watched it along with everybody else and the temperature was mild to cold in terms of immediate feedback. Although I'm not surprised I'm a little sad about it. A little disappointed because I went off a little bit. Lost TOOK TANGENT. But to me you can completely be in love with the show without totally understanding what it's trying to say. That's how described my experiences west. Westworld I studied. I love it. I don't necessarily get it but conceptually. I think it's brilliant. Yeah so the finale really landed with you you. You love the finale. Yes I loved in the end. The debate about free will and humanity versus mechanical. And I think what Deloris while up doing was beautiful. I love the misdirect. I understand why people don't and we'll get into it. But to me. The cornerstone of this show the cornerstones our family and children Hale and her son Bernard and his said Maeve and her daughter it was three are still alive around the cornerstones. There's loves that is not talked about it in non romantic love. I think is that the key of this show and I don't think people talk about it enough I think it's interesting you're talking about the cornerstones and like how that impacts of these characters. It's still maeve driver right. Even though her daughter has been like safely taken away to the valley beyond with the woman that she believed to be her mother. Maeve is still very much inspired by doing whatever she can to be reunited with her daughter. We come to find out how much the Charlie of it all still means to Bernard even though he really does understand conceptually like that's not my son. I'm not arnold that stuff that was just built for me. Gets a some more Gina Torres back on our screens which I know you and I are never going to complain about. Get Your Espinosa on a very very happy to see on this show this week and then with Charlotte. That was a big twist. So what happens when your cornerstone blows up in front of you. I guess you turn into a super villain and I think that that was the thing that was a little bit jarring for some people myself included that one of the like the spells that this show is trying to cast in. Its finale is much of the season was spent getting you feel a lot of empathy towards Charlotte and that version of Dolores and getting you to kind of like fear. What's Dolores prime going to do? Because we saw how she rampaged against humanity in season two and it seems like she's on the warpath again here in season three and then the finale reverses that the Charlotte piece of it is that like her. She now feels like she's like the woman in the park choked out the guy with the dog just like now. I'm reminded of what it is meant here. Doom supposed to crush all humans. She's like a Dolores who watched something beautiful get thoroughly ruined and taken away and it has reverted her so like the Dark Phoenix version of of Dolores. And that's who she's going to be and she is going to be very formidable foe moving forward into the future of the show you would have to imagine whereas Dolores what it turns out is she has come to the place of she wants to believe in the beauty of mankind she has seen the ugliness but she also sees the potential in people and she wants to give them the choice she sees that they are as burdened by their loops as hosts were by by their hoops. And I. I really liked the idea on paper. I really liked that. It actually is a pretty compelling call back to Robert Ford twist at the end of season one that the entire Chinese think Ford is planning on doing something like really nefarious with the hosts but it turns out that he is. It's him versus Arnold rather than like it's him and Arnold in concert together and they do that. Eleventh-hour flip switch. That makes you reevaluate everything that you see on the first season through Robert Ford's lens of like No. Actually he just wants the hosts to be free. He has come around to arnold way of thinking what they do with. Dolores your felt very similar to me where they want you now to reevaluate everything that the law has been doing this season guys of. She just wants people to have the same choice. She's not anti humans. She is anti slavery basically. She's like crusading against that. I guess the issues that I have with that are the execution not the idea. I love the idea. I think the idea is great. I think my problems stem from the fact that this a short season that eight episodes just maybe isn't enough time to let us really get on board with that version of deloris given how much of the other version of Dolores we have seen up until this point that we're at arm's length as to Dolores is true motivations throughout this whole season that it just it does feel a little bit out of nowhere for me. I know it doesn't feel that way for everybody. I know doesn't necessarily feel that way for you joe but for me and I think for some of the people who are left a little cold by the finale. It's a good idea. It's a strong idea. I think it's a really powerful emotional concept and Evan. Rachel Wood delivers her final scenes beautifully. I felt like I don't know it just didn't seem like this is a delors who just like five minutes earlier was ruthlessly murky security guards with no problem just like a visceral human beings and suddenly this is the one who who cares about humanity so much. It's just the two things didn't sit so comfortably together in my gut at least to me. She had to sacrifice some humans for to set the rest of them. Free at gets always been sort of her her operating system. I think her. Fatal flaw is nepotism in terms of. She brought her own brain balls in inserted into HOES SO CHARLOTTE. Hail being shallower is now the simultaneous awakenings were dolores. Prime believes. We didn't know this really until the end is that she does believe in humanity wants to free people to make their own free will. They're her fatal flaw with especially with Charlotte is in. You saw the whole to me. It's earned all season long. She's basically crawling in her own skin. She feels Charlotte Hale in essence right and that emerged at some point with dolores plus she had access to all the technology for Delos working with insight. I feel like it was earned and we talked about this off line and I feel the need to say that not that. There's any comparison. Between game of thrones in West Hall. Except bit. There was a dragon in. The game of thrones craters on Westworld earlier. This season exactly what I did. There was a shortened season for the series. Finale of game of thrones and a lot of us were outraged by Generis. Turn into crazy and killing gazillions of people right this. This doesn't feel like this to me. I know that there will be some comparison. This is the series finale but I felt that watching Cheryl hair all season become at the end the evil shorus and being the rebellious version. We thought original deloris prime was going to be. I actually was pleasantly surprised by that misdirect and turn of events because to me it sets a proceeds in four we possibly have shown. Loris and William Versus Caleb Maeve and to me. That is exciting. I think the comparison of the Dolores. He'll turn this season to the to the Denarius he'll turn in game of thrones. There's sort of like in versus of each other. It's a great point of comparison. 'cause like it's almost like a lot of the popular complaints right now about the deloris twist are like the exact opposite of the game of thrones one or at least only the opposite in terms of like the moral alignment but it's very spiritually similar of like. She turned good too fast. It's like she turns out but I think that you also raise a really good point and it's one that I hadn't really considered that if you're going to buy that like all of these different people are Various versions of Dolores that like Charlotte Connell. These are these are different copies of Dolores that the argument that Delors can feel deeply for humans is embodied in the Charlotte Arc. This year. It requires you to do some mental gymnastics. But I don't think that's totally unfair. And it's certainly not outside of the realm of the wheelhouse of this show in the way that this show has presented story. And it's presented its timeline in non-linear ways that to get that emotional payoff of deloris is really feeling by virtue of the Charlotte Arc and what Charlotte false for and what. She loses in what that does to her. That helps illuminate. What Delors is really after? But I think for me like the fact. That all of that culminates within the finale interesting because there have been moments of the season where? I've been really excited. That West Road has like lobbed up questions and answered them within the space of a single episode. We talked about that a few times like the war world stuff episode two this year the fact that that was all resolved over you know we were introduced to war world and found out that it's like this digital escape all in the space of the same episode and. I really really liked that but I think maybe for the finale since it has to accomplish so much that maybe I think like to have like more of a point on what Charlotte was after would have been would have been helpful that it wasn't just like revenge against Dolores for the finale but that she also is now like anti mankind. I think maybe would have been helpful to give us a little bit more space to to read into what Dolores was really after but I can. We can nitpick or we can. We can talk about some of the things. The finale did and where it's left us for season four because this was something that you and I have been texting back and forth Joe and I know that I really love a lot of what the finale was going for less so the execution and I am genuinely and I tweeted this out very clearly like ask me what I think about the westworld finale. And what I'll tell you is. Yeah you highs and lows a little bit of Wonky this year and there. I'm really excited for season for now. Slide into my DM's spilled tea. And I'll give it to you straight here like I'll tell you I'll tell you that that is exactly how I feel with some things that I would really like a small hammer to in a more aggressive way. Like I think that Lawrence showing up here is cute. But what was the reason for that other than just to get collins junior back on the show? And that's cute. And that's great and I love Lawrence newlove Lawrence. Everybody loves Lawrence. Learns his great character but like it just felt like well there was that fifth brain ball out there and we just kind of have to tell you who it is rather than holding off on that for a more compelling answer down the line just like making it Lawrence. There's like things like that that I that I felt a little cold by but then there were things that I felt warm by the emotional point that is trying to make. I think the potential for a fourth season is really good. I really liked the Caleb twist that he and Dolores had had contact previously and he saved her and that was part of her calculus. It's like she'd seen him be a really good man before thought. That was really good so it's not all like this was flat out awful. That's not how I feel. I think like if he asked me where you high on you low on. And it's a binary question I'd say it was low on it but things aren't necessarily binary their shades of gray and that is what I would like to explore here. That's totally fair. I think it could've used one more episode. I think this season I don't feel it was rushed but I certainly think they could have drawn out a little bit more with introduction characters like critic and and Lawrence because then to me. I'm always doing the math of who has what brain ball to me. It was all part of the backup master plan so I actually was pleasantly surprised. You know I love Clifton. Collins Junior psyched sight to see him and he had explosives in advance to me. At the end he was helping orchestrate the freedom and the blowing up buildings in the fireworks at the end. Because you know he was dressed as a police officer and he had explosives like know basically a barrel of something in the back of his van and at the last scene of the show. We have the fireworks. So you know who's designers as part of. I'm not really sure but yeah it could have used another episode but I was satisfied. A also in the kind of person are rare. I don't mind unanswered questions. Only no I I do as well but I think that like the brain ball would have been an example of that. I like the brain ball like that. Fifth Brain Ball being out in the wild rather than like surprise. It's Lawrence a character that dolores like meet once a long time ago during her Williams stuff in season one. Like I think I would have been a mystery rather than just like what's the point of just bringing warrants and other than it's Clinton Collins Junior and he's great right. That's that's fair. Although as seen in the free world simulation shows you. We did not know that. Dolores had interactions with other characters. We haven't seen all of her history the fact that she was sitting next to that lovely woman from shogun world right in the world simulation proves that there's a lot of hosts that she part which is like. I don't know military world government world like they didn't name it but I guess like yeah on the Delos Site. Apparently it says like it's classified and only reserved for government contracts. Park should these. That's right I mean whatever I I just made the quick action that she lawrence had had more interaction and perhaps in that venue sure. And that's great and I and I often to to make those leaps and someday I will be able to make that leap today. I just feel like complaining a little bit. So that's the that's that's my lawrence complaint at this moment in time. They're fair to actually eat. A while we're talking about like did westworld season three episodes. I didn't think this was an interesting point. From William Stasio. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly on twitter. Who said I almost wish this season had you're episodes? It's tough to think for seven episodes. That dolores is evil and then only in the very end. It turns out her motives. Were in the right place. I just thought that was an interesting point to chew on. Like should the future of westworld maybe be like trying for for for fewer subplots and streamlining the main plot a little bit more? And you give that to us over the course of like even like tight three episodes and you basically come back with movies rather than than a show. I think that there might be something to that kind of like the BBC model for some stuff right like Luther will do a two episode season Sherlock Three episode season. It's not a really American concept for television but I wonder if westworld could could pull that off and benefit from it. It's very counterintuitive to what we're saying that will need ten episodes. Maybe what westworld eat it instead of eight episodes. It's like it just should have been like a three hour movie well. Netflix says during the model now with three to four episodes certain shows and a lot of our European however I like US Eddie a lot especially in a post quarantine production world where things are going to be changed if you can do three hour and fifteen hour and a half episodes and you focus maybe more this cast is so vast I get. They want a service every character and feed us with. It's amazing oster caliber emmy caliber cast. Maybe doing a few not bottle episodes but characters specific episodes three or four for a shortened season with longer. Those I would freak in love that that'd be cool. I think I think especially as we're moving into a world where like we don't know what the future of production looks like. Productions could be harder and productions already very difficult labor that that might be something to consider especially as we know that Jonathan Nolan and Lisa. Joy have their Amazon deal and I know that they have like a big plan for what westworld looks like on. They reiterated to me. I spoke to them for the Hollywood reporter that that interview is up at teach dot com slash. Westworld will link to it in the show notes here that they've had they've had the plan for Westworld for a very long time since the very beginning they have what they feel is a story that neatly lays itself out into chapters that they've been talking about from the beginning and they spoke in a in a separate interview. I believe about how that doesn't necessarily fit into the traditional model of like an amount of seasons so I think they as they You know the show is very experimental with genre season. It's a western. You know in the next season part of it is a Samurai story in its third season. It's a futuristic Sifi thrower who knows what the hell is going to look like and season four. I joked with them season as westworld season to his show gun world season three is future role the season for end of the world. So so we'll see what it looks like. They're already like experimenting with different genres. I think maybe they could experiment with structure. They experimented with a shorter season. Here I think for me it was. It was a bad call. But how can you know that until until you do the thing I mean? I guess there's an argument. You could know you get that out a little bit more. But maybe the answer is go even shorter. I think something something compelling worth we're thinking about at the very least Joe. Let's talk about the story and let's talk about where it leaves us because deloris is dead and that's not a nothing deal and that is something that Joan and Lisa Denise Day who wrote the episode of Jonathan Nolan. They confirm the version of Dolores that we have come to follow from the very first episode of West rolled through the season. Three finale the dolores prime as we've been calling her is indeed dead and the nature of this show is such that you always have to question these things to a certain degree but I tried to get to the bottom of that question as best as I could with the people that I was speaking with Jonathan. One says we love working with but that character is gone and I think that the structure of westworld makes it very possible. That and not likely probable. Almost certain that Evan Rachel would continue on with Westworld in some way shape or form even if delors prime is dead. But the Laura's prime being dead all her memories being raced dying in the service of this final act of liberation. How do you feel about this? You kind of build us into existence. I think Joe I was only half kidding at the end of last. Podcast what I said it would be super bowl to kill off your main character. I didn't think they'd actually but feel what is a satisfying three season arc. At least for Evan Rachel Wood as dolores prime now we see the end. That shallow has a farm building new host. Basically Clark I like to call it grows. It's true that is what it is. It is so. I WanNa go over with you. Though the the I have a list here of six dolores rain balls at play. Okay outside of dealers prion. Her brain ball is no longer it. Fizzled I assume. It's pretty much out of commission of yes so we have Charlotte hail yes. We have recovered rainbow from massages. Cutoff head correct. Connel's damage rainbow from the explosion critic if credit is real. We don't know if Israel's real questionnaire Lawrence Lawrence seems to be real his disguised as a swat officer he seems to be a a real host are right so to me. The possibilities are there are other versions of Dolores off to me. I don't think we're to see Evan. Rachel distilleries. I'M GONNA be bold right now and getting early season for prediction that Evan Richard comes back. That Lewis rebuilds her body and puts a different rainbow and different mission in delivers prime's body. You know I would be very interested to know if what they're gonNA do with. Evan Rachel Wood and and Nolan almost an answer me when I said. Do you Imagine Evan? Rachel Wood continuing on with the series. I said what's the future of and Rachel would with the series he said. Where would the fun being answering that question and I said I don't know if it would be fun but it might make people feel better? You know it's GonNa be a long time to see West Rob so he gave that answer that yeah. They love Evan Rachel Wood. This is what he said we love and Rachel which is terrific. Terrific actor was a real journey with the character. You have to be careful in a show where these robots and death is a different deal. We've gotten a sense of what it would take to completely kill a host. Because of the permanence of some of these things have to be careful but that characterised gone. We love working with Evan. But we're a long way out from talking publicly about what the fourth season looks like on but it sounds like they have plans for for even in the future and you. What does that look like? Is that like the man in black who is now a host? Does he live command from Charlotte build me Dolores and me and Dolores are GonNa go out and Rick L. and wreak havoc together. Because he's like now that he's one of them. He wants to like further subjugate the image of Dolores. Because he's like this version of William is just like a total monster like this is the full has been reborn in the complex. William just got his throat slit and I know that we gotta talk about that. Is that a version like is that like Charlotte bringing a version of Dolores back online. I was tempted to to wonder like. Could you imagine charlotte putting her own brain ball back into a dolores body to be like the new dominant but she's also suggested that like she and Dolores are not the same anymore and she seems to like have a feeling of preciousness about her own body Charlotte considering that she has like the burned arm and she doesn't want to forget what humans can do? It does feel to me like Tessa. Thomson's like in the tank like they're gonNA keep doing stuff. Tessa Thompson which is great. I love that. I'm happy about that so I don't know I don't think that Charlotte's GonNa takeover dolores a big piece of the season was like Tessa Thompson so good at playing the bad guy. So how can we get Charlotte back into bad guy mode and they did it? Charlotte's GonNa build a version of Dolores to after with Caleb now because they are opposite sides of the spectrum and Caleb is wanting caleb in May by the way as such interesting dynamic in a million years I would not have guessed. Tell end up by Lovett and so now you have Schiller could build a dolores to massive calebs mind. Yeah that works especially because poor. Caleb is a great soldier. Seems it's got a good heart but I don't know sharpest sharpest tool in the shed. Maybe not would he. Would he be able to figure out that? This is a different dolores. Maybe not he had a lot of opportunities to ask better questions in the questions. He asked over the course of these past episodes. So I fear for Caleb. Should he be face to face with the Dolores that has been sent after him? Look Arnold Schwarzenegger played a bad guy. Terminator and a Good Guy Terminator. No reason they can't do the same with Evan. Rachel Wood Fair. I think we just we really want to see what an if this ends up. Being her swansong I would say that. She put in three a best actress. Ami Qualifying initiated get nominated few times performance. I think it was dolores. Abernathy is one of the characters ever created for television in my mind especially to comes to female heroines shoes. Great she was great. I think it's a good arc. I wish it was elaborated on a little bit more in the final season but I think as an arc. It's really strong. That she's the person who's on this journey of self discovery for consciousness and freedom. She wars for it in season two and she's doing the same in season three. But with the epiphany of like maybe I've gone too far. Maybe people aren't so bad. I gotTa believe that the problem isn't humanity and the problem subjugation and she she fights against that and loses her life in service of that. That's a good arc. Can I think it's also a cool arc? If you're if you're looking at sort of west rolled in terms of like you know what was interesting to be Joe was when like rehoboth and was projecting like what the future of mankind would be. They were talking about. It wasn't like all the bombs are going out now and mankind is going to be destroyed in the next five minutes. It wasn't like Hollywood is that it was like the projections. As far into the future is like one hundred and twenty three years I think is the number or something like that is is when humanity is extinct that gives us a century plus to play with potentially in terms of story in a world where you know the main characters are all or at least the vast majority of main characters are synthetic creatures that could potentially live a long time exceeding four could pick up like fifty years into the future and we could see what the state of humanity is at that point. It could be really like like young adult post-apocalyptic like that might be fun. That could be could be good speed for it. I will say the one thing. I wish we had more was when we see Dolores glimpse humanity and get her first inkling. That humans aren't alterable was in the war simulation with Caleb when we did find out and we were kind of you and I were like yeah. This is not a coincidence. That Caleb interest met this season while I loved it she got her glimpse of a human kind. I wish we had more of that. We know the Dolores love nature reloaded dealers loved the farm in the did see the beauty and I can see where some people are going to have. A big problem with. The bar is super low if she picked Kayla because he's the only man not to sexually assault her right higher tire run in the park. I think we could have elaborated a little bit more ensuring a little more kindness from other hosts and other humans on the way to build up to that I will give you that and I think that the finale did that but I think that that's pretty late like I think like that could have been seated throughout the season. But but I'll give you joe a little back and forth here is I'll I'll give you what you said earlier about. I think like mapping are onto the Charlotte character is is a way to like those were clues along the way that this was something that Dolores was capable of that Dolores was capable of investing deeply in human beings. And that like you can. You can make that work. And it's not something that I hadn't even started processing until you said it a few minutes ago so my brain ball is still firing on that that. I think that that's something that you can. You can play with as far as what Delors is. True investment in the human species was so I do think that that that works to an extent but I think that. Like if you're if you're looking at Westworld is a story that could be told over the course of centuries or decades or whatever having dolores prime die here in what seems to be like the rough midpoint up. The story is cool because like it's like who's Evan Rachel Wood GonNa play next will like in the future if like fifty years pass and they start like building new hosts because we don't know what like hosts being responsible for other hosts what does like procreation look like. Will they build like we'll like Charlotte have a new host daughter that's built into his likeness? And that's Evan Evan Rachel Wood. So it's a brand new character. Who now has to rediscover like? Who is her based on is like is dolores prime like viewed as a political figure in the world of Westworld. So there's some cool possibilities there. This is what I am saying. I am right really excited about the potential of where the show could go. Beyond the scale of this apocalyptic event quote unquote. I think that like seeing like host culture could be really good. I just I do hope that they leap forward in time. A good amount know the three month time jump from the end of season to season three was good. It was a start but like I think now like the deck is really set. Like what more will we get from seeing like Charlotte in her evil castle in Dubai and her secret bunker where she's making all these? Let's just get to the good stuff. Let's just get to the point. Where like we're seeing. What the what. The consequences of the world are like a little bit more popular as I have to say. I'm disappointed in see Dapper nappy. I was all season long. We'd get a brain ball and DAB and save the day or at least and I then I was like okay. Wait maybe maybe. He has a role in the valley beyond that that Bernard's going to reveal. You know I love May. There's some Louis hurt them but I also loved Abernathy. I know that was her cornerstone. Her family that's why I'm shocked when it came to and he was in some of. Her flashback scenes a positively but I was almost disappointed. Flashback flooded positively. Yeah exactly quick scenes pointed that there was no dad at the end. Yeah no I know that you were really beat that drum too and I believe you tagged Lewis hurt them and he was like very quiet. It's like because I see why that's the thing is like if we're talking about like generations down the line and what is like host procreation look like do you get to like. What do you base hosts on? What do you base their likeness on for some of these people who have like these very vivid memories and they're the ones that durer like Clementine or Maeve? Whoever do they build new hosts like is this a way to get to Lula Riley back on the show like they make a new host? That's based on Angela's like this. It's totally different character. Could you even get James Marston? Back in the show shower teddy was a good guy. Your father was teddy flood son. Like you know are are these ways to are these ways to do it and so could they do that? With with Lewis hurt them as well. I think one of the things. That's very clear to me through the Clifton Collins thing as much as like I'm railing against that twist and I don't know where I stand on whether or not a good thing or a bad thing. I think that this is a show. That's Berry in love with its cast and rightfully so it's one of the greatest casts on television to the point though that. I think that there is sometimes a reluctance to let go when the more powerful dramatic thing is to cut bait with the character you and I are both dear beloved fans of lost and like some of the characters that die along the way. We'll make you know cameo appearances here and there but they're not like ongoing parts of the cast granted. The world of loss doesn't make that as easy as the world of West Road does but I think that there is something about no longer seeing an actor in the space of that same drama that makes that loss feel more powerful and I'd wonder like what's that GonNa look like with Evan Rachel Wood when she pops back up I'll say when not if she pops back up as a totally new character. Will you still feel the loss of Delors or we just going to be like kind of like designed to think that secretly Deloris primes memories were like shock absorbed by Maeve like what she just like secretly downloading them? It's a possibility right like because that's what they can do could do stuff like that which making a backup there was a lot going on behind. Tanny. Newton's is in that scene when she was holding her hand up but that was one of the most touching beautiful scenes of the entire series in. We'll get to that when they're in the field together finally having that peaceful conversation by the name of it all to me is the most intriguing in that you know so Tessa Thompson. Schiller has has the milk farm in Dubai creating the host the new Delo but may still has the hosts making machine as well in that world in the world and Dolores is house may also has the Mesh Network. I don't think they can control it remotely and so. I think that there is a lot of great power and responsibility with Maeve and whatever role cheese taking because I don't see her is it to be made versus Loris four well. Are they going to pit them against each other or are they going to work together? Well it wouldn't just be made versus shorus it would also be Loris and the robot and black the gunslinger right like the whole premise of the man in black character. The Ed Harris character on this show was to flip the archetype of Yul. Brynner's gunslinger from the original westworld. Who's the killer robot who goes off the rails and terrorizes everybody in Westworld and with the perspective of West Road being more interested at least initially with exploring what does it means to be alive from the perspective of the hosts they turned the man in black into a human? And that a character to show. Just how awful humans can be. Now they have come back to the Brenner version of the character right that this is a version of the man in black that Charlotte has created. She tells William you weren't that hard to figure out like you're very simple like I was able to do that very easily with my memories. So the person that kills William Slices his throat open when William Cavalierly waltzes into this basement and Dubai is like a really simple version of the man in black. That's theoretically mostly built on the experiences. Dolores hat that character which means that. This is a really really bad dude. And maybe there's a little bit of the generous allotment of Jimmy Simpson side of the man in black kicking around in this new AI. Man in black But that's GONNA be real buried. He's going to need another therapy session to bring that guy out. And this is great news for Harris because now he gets to continue on West road wearing the costume going around ethnic people up. This is the thing that he wanted. He doesn't have to be aggravated that. He's playing the complicated soulful William Anymore. The identity complexes this robot seems pretty. Sure himself Joe. What do you think about the potential of having the man in black as like this new terminator like character full on robot? Are you happy about this? Was this twist that you were excited by you. Because I think we need more at Harris and believe it or not even though he's a terrible human being men in black is such a compelling character but I wanna go back a step and talk about how I think Hale was starting to separate make plans separate from deloris when she inserted that thing in Williams net because he was following him controlling human reading him and that allowed her in the end to rebuild him. Yeah you think was that part of it. Yes absolutely lied memories. All of it and I think longer family was blown up Was making plans. And she knew that William was part of Dolores Plan so she I think. Dolores sort of bronze purposes seems to have forgotten. It didn't care about man black this season so show. Loris took control in the end. Look what happened? I mean I feel like that's her. That's her right hand man now for season four. Yeah and I was there was. There was a moment where I was thinking that I was. I was disappointed that this is William. Just goes so quickly. It goes without a fight. Basically like he tries but the man and blacks are robot and himself. So of course he's going to lose Like he's just like gets dropped so unser omonia slowly but I do think like in terms of what was the William R on this show is. He was desperately searching for himself. He wanted to find his true. Self you wanted the truth. You wanted something true and for him to like it was a foolish errand like it was always going to blow up in his base and take him out and like it blew up in his face when he shot his hand off at the end of season two right so like and he kept pushing and eventually for him to get consumed by the things that he helped create by the things. He helped proliferate by convincing his stepfather to fund all this money into Westworld and now bring about basically the downfall of human civilization for him to get taken down by the thing. He hates the most wearing his face. I don't WanNA spoil lost outright but there is a thing there that you and I both sure have picked up on and I like and I'm here for and here's the other thing Joe and this is something that occurred to me before I got on the line with Joan and Lisa very glad that it did because I think at the I read the initial blush of the of the development for me. Was that like the man who walks out of the lab and Confronts William is the same artificial man in black that you see at the end of season two in that post credit seat which kind of would fly in the face of what what. No-one enjoy were saying around at the time of some sort of Far Future. Version of events is what we're seeing there. It's like well. This isn't the three months that doesn't really qualify as far future. So what's the deal? And then it occurred to me like wait. Bernard has the key to the Sublime. The key to the to the valley beyond. We're GONNA talk about that next which suggests to me. That doesn't mean he also probably has the key to all of that high profile information that Iraq was after and poor. Sarah what a chump. I don't even WanNa talk about him. Just TURNS OUT. He was a little bit of a loser. had east end. But we'll go on. I bet he's alive. I think it'd be cool to see him unless we jumped really far into the future and then just like F- Iraq is done right. He was we who is without Robo Him. I don't know that I need to see it. You know who he is but that we're home was the guy who was like sniffling underground. Booby Parabola tell me what to do. Tell me what the two brother but to continue the threat because it's complicated a the man in black who emerges from Charlotte's lab a great children's book in the making. Is that the same as the guy that we see in the season to post credits scene and I asked this question. I said is it fair to connect the version of Ed Harris? We see in the post credits of season two to the guy. We're seeing here in season. Three the man who is on the hunt for quote unquote fidelity at the end of season. Two is at the same creature. We'RE SEEING LOCKING OUT OF CHARLOTTE. Hails lap and after a decent pause. Jona Nolan responded. No and I followed up and said it's not fair to assume or it's not the same creature and he said I don't think it's fair to assume it which is very interesting right because what we may be looking at then. If you're of the mind that you're bummed out that William got tooled so hard by this new version of the man in black that he just got wrecked and that's just the end of the William Arc now at Harris's just going to play stone cold robot and there won't be any chance for further rumination for William and stuff. I actually would posit this Joe. I bet that that season to post credits. Men in black. That guy is still waiting for us in the future. And that's William and that's the William that maybe even like Bernard needs to bring back online because he's the one who has all of that. Delo data of who the actual human beings are all of that recorded information from the people who've been coming to the park for so long that clearly would be instrumental to building a guy like William to being the true William that he once was that. Then you can bring him back online. As some sort of actual true digitally resurrected version of the actual William put him into a host body and pit him against this shadow version of himself and so he might be dead now but he might not be dead forever. West real man. It's crazy I think that makes sense. I think kind of maybe sort of. There's a line there but I don't know it's totally possible. I think the thing that throws me off is in the season. Two Post is his daughter so he still haunted by Odyssey and everything since the killing of his actual daughter. Yes to me. I still interpreted that as part of the simulation to for fidelity and I don't I don't know where that scene will land in the future. Well if dust covered Bernard is at some point in the same future. Time Line where the man in black is and they need to run some fidelity trials because they need something that William knows and they don't have that anymore. Because William dead do they bring him back online? Do they bring him back to life? This Bernard because they weren't using the huge enormous processing power of a host brain ball to do this resurrection project. But now that someone like Bernard who thought for his entire existence that he was a human scientist but now knows that he's a host and now has gone to the valley beyond has returned with. Who knows he's come from the mountain? He's got the tablet you know. Like what kind of Info does he have? Now that he's back in this world. Does he have the ability to actually perfect resurrection data? And can he bring William Online for some reason that they're gonNA actually need William for especially if William who died when to save humanity. Can they find a way to kind of like eventually spiritually bring him back to the Jimmy Simpson version of the character at the start of his arc where he was somebody who wanted something true sociopathic murderer everything in sight when he first met? Dolores is there a version of redemption for William if Bernard and whoever is left in the hosts bring him online to fight the robot man in black? Look they've already pitted Ed Harris against versions of himself. So they've laid the track for this. This is on the board as far as I'm concerned it's possible I mean they can. How many versions of Dillard's we had with her brain balls? So they have the Laura Archive of men in black in black there. The men in black aero so we still talking about the fourth one but yeah it's it's out there do you go. Oh my God this. I've been Chris. Hemsworth is going to be on the show. Oh no just just well. What's going to happen to poor luke? Hemsworth let's talk about the Bernardin stubs of all because Bernard he's pieces out to the afterlife. Leaves Leaves Poor stubs who's been shotgun blasted in a bath filled with ice and says I'll be back. Don't worry I'll be back. And then he comes back and he's covered in dust me no idea what's in the bathtub but like how would they have gotten stubs poor like rotting body out of the bats but would have just left? Bernard collect dust. Seems Unlikely to me. Don't you think I feel like there's a scene in the future? Is he just see like rusty pieces sitting in a bath? Maybe his brain ball still there. And when Bernard checks back in he'll just grab that plug into a new hemsworth body that he'll build book all right man so I I was gone for two hundred years and I saw some crazy shit. You know who knows who knows what that looks like. What do you think of Bernard going off in to the sublime? Just the Bernard of it all if you have any thoughts about the Gina Torres scenes as well but like an any any ways in which your conspiratorial West role brain. is being activated by Bernard. Twist in in the finale. Here I think part the confuses me is that you have saluis building. All the new hosts says to me indicates that had access to all the data to be able to recreate the hosts. Otherwise what is she feeling their consciousness in their brain balls with so copies of herself right. Maybe copies of herself that we get the key line from Dolores in this episode. We're all copies of me that I was the only one that work in so you're all different versions of me. You all started for me. I'm the I'm the God head from which you sprung so if Charlotte is dolores already and that is something that Dolores did that. She brought five herself online and only late in her life. Saw the danger of doing something like that and Charlotte now seems to be. Buick an unapologetic version of Dolores now in the warmongering anti-human Crusade. Why wouldn't she just bring on a bunch of herself? Frightening and awesome at the same time divided. Even think about that. Yeah that makes sense. So Bernard's allegedly in the valley beyond Yes for an item. Disclose period of time with this to me is that was Lawrence's original plan to have him have the key so the question would be why what is he did. She say that she might die. Is this her last sort of plan this? Why are able to finally access to on what he learned? From the consciousness of the former house there was asked. Why would alert sent him to see his wife to see Arnold Wife? It's a cornerstone. It's reminding him who he is who he used to be setting it back to value on it for the same purpose. Why do you think Dolores used Bernard of this way? I think it's a great question. I think like you go back to the season. Two Finale and she says like our people are going to need both of us to survive. We're not going to be friends. We will probably both die all of that. So now that like you can flip that in the light of like what she was. She's still trying to like build. An ally of Bernard and Bernard even says in this episode. I misjudged deloris. Is that all an effort to kind of human. Is Him in the way that like? She's re humanized herself. I give him something good. Allow him to move on allow him to find strengthened some of the things that he's grieved through with his cornerstone. She rebuilt him. She built him twice right like she built Bernard in the first place and then she rebuilt Bernard the second time so she knows how much that cornerstone means to him. She knows how much of that fuels all of his drives. Fundamentally does she bring him back online and know that like these are things that haunt him. Don't turn the thing that like. This is the whole message of like loss right. When you lose somebody and it devastates you and it slows you down and it makes you not WanNa move forward in life anymore. The reason to move forward is to keep those people alive to keep those memories alive so that they don't just go into the darkness. Is She trying to empower? Bernard that would be my guess and then I think like once empowered and once. He's like kind of clear of that bullshit like once. He's sort of like free of the weighing him down and hurting him and now using that as fuel and not looking at that as like and like to call bullshits pretty callous but to no longer feel like bogged down by the bad thing that happened in his cornerstone. Arnold that is fundamental to him to remove that burden and turned that way into something to to strengthen him. Does she want to do that for him. Before he goes off to the valley beyond so that he can come back with the appropriate amount of wisdom of like what should our quote unquote Utopia look. Like what should this? What should this be? What should our life look like moving forward so I think that that's probably what she was aiming for with him? That's my that's my guess. My question though is like what did he see. How long has he gone for? Is he bringing teddy back if not why not you know these are the? Will we get a valley beyond episode next year? These are the questions that I'm curious about. It's interesting that you you frame it. Sorta like it was a gift to Bernard of. I have a completely different take. Which is that. I have a feeling that the reason she put one of her versions of herself in Bernard and denied beyond is a last ditch resort and the reason she lawrence in play is. This was the last ditch resort. I need to use my mass brain ball to deliver value beyond to Bernard. Is it she? Herself put herself Beyond where Dolores lives now with the rest of the hosts in valley beyond interesting. Yeah I mean I think like if she'd like set like a version of herself there and then like happily ever after for her and Teddy. That'd be sweet. Well maybe she said the version that had the most hope and faith in humanity and maybe like. That's a person that Bernard can link back up with because one of the things that is a little bit tragic about this shortened season is. You don't really get a great final confrontation between Bernardin Dolores and sometimes that's just life right like you don't get like that perfect fit ending for the person who meant a lot to you for good and for ill so that works and I think like Bernard having this moment of like I misjudged her also works. I think would also be great to like. Get two of them to have seen together and I think the value beyond could be could be a way to do that right right. I mean the whole season. Four is not gonNA be a simulation but I think simulations will pay a huge role. Yeah I think that's likely now. What else from the Finale? That stands services. Here's the new committee character Love Erin Paul. And yet we find ourselves talking about him the lease they want us to be. And why do you think that is like I? Loved his back story and learning that he was put through a controlled situation that he had also visit the park and that that version of West was like practice. I guess it's better to kill fake people that real people when you're training the military which is an interesting concept. Yup I as much as I enjoy kills backstory and I love and Paul to me. I'm much more still. Invested in our hosts. Yeah I think I think there's that and I also think that there's a degree of w t F to what happened. Dolores what happened to the man in black and where we leave things off with Bernard. That does for me. Just become like the front of mine headlines. I think what happened with Caleb. I really liked finding out that he and Dolores had that pass connection that he had stood up for her in the past without knowing anything about her. I think one of the things I really liked in this episode was when she kind of like challenged him on the notion of like. If you saw me like this if you saw me without my skin on you saw me as like Burger gears would you have stopped to save me or would you just walked on kind of like encouraging you to think about not just like but just existence in sentence beyond yourself outside of familiar to you to look at the other as a human to look at the other not necessarily even as as a human but as something that feels and lives and breeds and. I really liked all of that. I think that that's all like heavier stuff. And sort of like the Flash Zuma God got his throat Slit Omega. There's a new man in black. It's I think that's why we're probably talking about him the least but here's something that I'd like to talk about our he and Maeve like going to do it like is that what's going to happen next. What are the things I have on here and I know that I am somewhat alone except for? I am a big Fan of sci-fi at this particular genre. I literally put a noted that said. I am glad that there wasn't a romance this season because I find certainly and certainly shows like this the I find a little bit distracting. I'm all about the sci-fi in technology the setting the production the design the character development the world building so. I was kind of psyched that there was no caleb indoors Romance. I don't know with me. A romantic where ramczyk person to me. They didn't deliver every season of westworld without maeve like hard making out with somebody. Typically it's Rodriguez. Sam Toro seems like we're hurting for Rodrigues. Santos supply on the show is low. Unfortunately it's true. Palo a with Caleb interesting like I said before the pairing of him with me because Caleb for all again it has a lot of power now and allegedly even though Rome is dead right. Submit Solomon is in some way made was able to see. It's Solomon was. The last memory of delores dismayed have that now has a Mesh never arguably is the most powerful character on metro right now. Pairing up with the human that she knows is essentially a good dude. It'd be curious to see what they do together. Besides make out you know. I don't actually know but I would also be cool if they made out. I mean I wouldn't be opposed because like I said maybe out so Godspeed tending noon. Yeah and like if we want happy things for Caleb than you want him and the other coolest person on the show to form of right but that would be. That'd be cool for both of them. We don't think about Charlotte about Schiller. Is She has unlimited resources. She can read anybody. I think she's GonNa Repeat her family and some memories. I just feel like like I said at the beginning of this podcast. There's the cornerstones for everyone. Seems to be the family so if made could ever version of her daughter if tourists could ever version of her son etc. I do think that children in family left a huge role in the future of the world. I also think like she says like you did me a favor. You shed me if my weakness like she truly believe that or is that just like sort of like an arrogant mustache. Twirly thing to say graph hail by the way Holography Hale was bad ass now in school and that was a good payoff. The 'cause I kept thinking like maybe the glasses were gonNA come back into play like see projections of people. I thought they did a call version of that. That through the hosts is maybe missed. The royal you miss that that like when Dolores is is our way up crazy like she's seeing that that Holography of hell. I thought that was really neat. I thought that was very cool idea. I I would. I would suspect because we saw like Robert Ford who is like the most powerful person in his world even made his own family right his own cornerstone. He made he made versions of them. That hale might do something similarly like yeah I could. I could fully buy into that. That would make sense to me and to mess with everyone else. She could recreate their children and families and loved throughout as well. I think it's just fascinating. I also love that Charlotte. Hail season wanted to was in charge of Westworld and now Charlotte Hill show. Lewis is in charge of the newest where I know at the new world the new world. I just think I really I really am. I Love Tessa Thompson. I Love Charley Hale. I'm pleasantly surprised that the rule she had the season and we'll have because she's a marvel superhero she's King Valkyrie. Busy lady and I just psyched to have more of her. If we'RE GONNA lose less Would and Morteza Thompson and Tammy Newton? I'm okay with that balance. Yeah I believe the technical term is she is a Bi F. D. A. Big freaking deal fair enough. This is a family show. We don't we don't trust. We don't cuss at all. Do we see Sarokin season for so I was thinking about that? A man of his means a man of his technology. He acquired Jello. I know we didn't see a lot of time between happening when he gets shot but it seems like he would have already been working on a recreation of himself reaches consciousness. Yeah and in case of his untimely death so perhaps in that Sonora facility which by the way I also assume that when Solomon with solemn the EMP was hit in this episode. You see a brief look at the screen. One of the goons comes in to see it. It's the backup is still line. I'm assuming I don't know if it's Dolores. Fits Maeve Halo at the people who were frozen in time in those capsules in their matrix like facility in Sonora are going to be let go? The outliers criminals the deviance in the new world will or will maeve and Caleb utilize those people. I mean I understand that this was the new world In terms of the show that we going back out into into humanity and like we were getting to see what that looked like the time just as the hosts were but were we leave like for season. Four weeks he's in four feels like the new part two. I'm really curious to see like we had the maze and season one the door and season to the new world and season three. What will season for be right now? I agree but you think that they would go to all that trouble with snow with the outliers to show us that and then not free though in rehoboth race feel terribly think so. I totally agree. I totally agree especially like Caleb is going to have a lot of empathy for those people to engage with them at some point and people were complicated so many of them are going to be. Like able to be rehabilitated. And many of them won't be and that's to be challenging because life is challenging so it's GonNa be it's GONNA BE COMPELLING. I'm curious to see without insight. What does the new world look like without control without the monitoring? The Big Brother of it all. It's GonNa be really interesting because Westwood always seems a separate to ahead of our technology and it's always prescient kind of Erie and so I'd be curious to see two years from now it's going to be such a different world. Because what we're experiencing as human beings yes. The technology has evolved The tracking of humans is only getting more complicated as medical issues. Play a factor and I feel like that's going to be something that we're GonNa see in season four. I agree completely. I agree completely. I think for Jonathan Nolan Than Lisa. Joy who are leading a team of writers that are very interested in the human condition and very interested in. What does the future look like based on the now? I can't imagine that like our current circumstances as much as rapidly changing too aren't going to a significant role at least in the theme of season for. I think season four even though they've said that they have the grand story designs for for the Greater Westworld Arc and I think that can still be true. I bet it's just gonNa read very differently given what we're currently going through. What hundred percent even the first episode? This Josh. The Ring Basques. What are they know that? We don't know it's it's a city that's completely cleaning controls. They put the criminals away their control the criminals with an APP and yet there are people still wearing masks in a city with no pollution. Like it's funny. How you read everything differently. Now and so the future of television programming. It's going to be fascinating because of what's happening and I think we're GONNA be annoyed by the level of zoom call shows and that kind of thing that they're going to have something like West road which is going to have predictive technology. It's going to be very interesting. We talk about the last scene. Yeah I obviously when you have made and Caleb on that bridge watching the World Die. Fight Club a lot of people but to me. It was the leftovers. It was Patty and Kevin on the roof watching the buildings explode. Yeah it was the end of the world and I know I know that either of them were actual nods. But I thought that was a fascinating. Look no I loved it. I thought that was great and the thing that I loved the most about it was like the Maeve. Moment of the season happened there said. Are you ready drawing? This is the new world and in this world you can be whoever you want. Perfect delivery a really really great delivery and something that like maybe. I should have seen coming because that is like one of her most iconic phrases from the very jump of the of the whole series. I love how they tied that in stark imagery and a really just fantastic maeve line for sure. I like this whole season. May doesn't like being responsible for reporting into anyone. She likes being in control and I think there is a little bit this season of like well if she under control in the obviously didn't sit well with her at the end now it is unclear. She has only the Mesh Network. You know maybe she can feel or she will be able to connect to all of the new hosts Laurence's creating I think the I think maybe going into the season. Four has the most power of anyone anything in the world. I also feel like she. She said that the killer. She knows she's free again. She's a As a hunting by dolores ceramic is potentially deadly robotham is so maybe it's free to be over the F. She wants to be. How does she get to be on? I think and I'm excited for. We don't see a lot of Maven Bernard psyched for that season. Four to see Jeffrey Wright Entailing Newton. Potentially working. Together. He has been with her daughter in the valley beyond so. I think the potential that is super exciting. Yeah that'd be really really really great. I'm think these could be really really awesome. Totally to your. I think maybe people time to rewatch the seasons aren't super long. If you don't watch too I to at least the last season maybe they'll be some different interpretations of it going into season for one of the things I love about the post credit scene with Bernard too is is very subtle. You see the dust. There was a plant on the table. The hotel room was alive before it was dead after throwing up. It's time to kill plant right. What gives me hope. Is that the building. He's in the structure. The room is still standing. So it's not complete nuclear annihilation but something terrible. The end of the world is happening. But not to the point where he's outside no-building he still has shelter to me. That was by design. Yeah how did he go untouched? I feel like that's that bodes very poorly for poor stubs. I think he's show active electrical bones. This show has bent over backwards to keep Luke Hemsworth on so I think they will continue to Hemsworth in every season. Sarah me fire. Yeah he'll be all right he'll be okay. All right Joe I think so so we we are going to. We're going to call it here. We are open to show. That's going to depend on. Whether or not people can send their feedback in Westworld at post show recaps dot com is by far and away the best way to do that. But you can also tweet at us at round Howard. That's me on twitter. Joe Is Joe opinionated on twitter. You can send your feedback in all of those ways but we definitely prefer the email if that's possible and if we get enough to warrant feedback show. We'll do a feedback show. It may not be next week. 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