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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on Ben Greenfield Fitness

"Doctor mccalla. yeah but if you type that we own that domain to so it i think inst. That's great. I just wanted to make sure dr dot com wasn't going to send people to some kind of not safe. Were horrific animal porn website or something like that. Okay good well in in celebration of today's episode. I've actually just finished consuming a wonderful source of fat soluble. Vitamins but but Vitamin d included. That was Liver i've got a bunch of the bell campo beef liver so i punish them without with some salt and dijon mustard for breakfast and did a great meditation with my boys out in the sunshine. And so i'm already amped up on vitamin d. How about you. I like the animal organs for for vitamin a. Because it's there is literally the highest concentration of animal of vitamins. You can get but no i. I prepared for this too. I just got back from an hour. And a half walk on the beach and full florida's sunshine. So which is you quibble about. Twenty thousand units of vitamin d. If you if you had enough of over skin so which idea yeah. Yeah well that that. That's a lot. I think i probably had maybe like About ten ounces of beef liver so that's really only what a two hundred units. Maybe vitamin d is notorious. That probably is what twenty thousand. Maybe even forty thousand units of vitamin. I mean it's just a mask vitamin e. I only have about two ounces of liberty and i think it's like ten or fifteen thousand units. Yeah yeah i've got a whole bunch more. I'm actually dehydrating to make some some jerky later on because river entire are gonna head off to a wilderness survival camp in couple of days so we make a bunch of liver jerky anyways though the d like i mentioned it is not something that i thought would really be that sexy to do. A whole podcast on. I gotta admit and you know over the past couple of months. I know you've been doing a ton of research on vitamin d. You started to send me some papers and some websites that have really begun to get me super interested in this based on some things about vitamin d that i was unaware of and so what i would love to do and and all direct people to some really fantastic. Pdf's and also a wonderful website that you put together the that spells all this out for free for everybody in the show notes at ben greenfield fitness dot com slash. Vitamin d podcast. But you know. I think one of the first things that i'd love to tackle is just the the basic idea behind the physiological benefits of vitamin d. In your opinion in terms of what the most important components of what vitamin d is doing for us. Actually actually are well. That's a great question and i really do. It is probably one of the single most important strategies that anyone can implement into their program to optimize their health and longevity and decreased risk for democratization process. And it's so simple so easy to do in in this actually the least expensive supplement if you're choosing that route so when i've been fascinated with vitamin d for over two decades and literally last century The only primary benefit that most would vitamin d was noticed for was improving bone health earn decreasing things like rickets in osteo malaysia. But now we know there's been over. Five thousand or six thousand articles published vitamin d this century dominating the unbelievable diverse metabolic benefits it. Has it really addresses the basics. How's it do it. Basically up regulates at epigenetics genetically modulate over twenty five hundred genes genes that improve. Your oxidative stress include your mitochondria function. And as a result it radically decreases your risk for heart. Disease diabetes cancer. Virtually every autoimmune disease like ms rheumatoid arthritis bowel disease. And i think it's literally medical malpractice not to integrate vitamin d us deficient augmentation supplementation optimization in these diseases and then alzheimer's disease but more importantly in the context of what you referenced earlier is that we have a pandemic of an infection that appears to have shut down the global economy because of impaired immune function and there is be on unin controversial evidence doc. Vitamin d is actually one of the most powerful strategies. You can use to optimize your immune system in fact as we're recording this. This is the day that president trump was released from. Walter reed for his infection oval of the last few days and vitamin d was part of his protocol wasn't really do do know that the dosage that he was getting his the details of his program are just really soon. We'll we'll get into dosages later but one really important thing that i want to highlight two people. That joe is a powerful epa genetic regulator and. And that's very interesting. Just you guys know what. We're talking about epa genetic regulators. You may have heard of things like a histone acetyl. Transfer aces or methyl. Transfer aces or chrome remodeling. Enzymes are all the things that can control gene expression you know. Typically they'll they'll kind of modify the the state of chromosomes on the dna and that's very very important. Because what we're talking about is is a compound that's actually regulating gene expression and i'm just fascinated by by the different components. Were finding these days that are epidemic regulators like like like i think we talked on lascaux. About how cue tones. Conserve as an epidemic regulator lactic acid during exercise also a powerful epidemic regulator. But but they don't come close in terms of to my understanding the thousands of genes that are actually impacted particularly by vitamin d. Which of course. We call vitamin. But i would say i don't know if you agree with me joe. It's a little bit more like a like a a steroid hormone meat. It's active metabolites woman right. Oh it is a steroid hormone. Yeah i mean it's just miss. It's actually a misnomer this classified as vitamin but that's just the way it worked out but it is a steering armone seco hormone seo. -sego hormone okay. But yeah it it. Functions added is actually a Precursors it looks very. It's metabolize from from cholesterol meds when ultraviolet b radiation signs on your skin it takes. Cholesterol turns to changes it to the precursor..

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on Ben Greenfield Fitness

Ben Greenfield Fitness

12:49 min | 9 months ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on Ben Greenfield Fitness

"It sounds like when we were talking about protocols are going to jump in and say something yes going back to the slow training a slow movement and Explosive Movement This is very critical in in anything we do. So for example. Let's take the case of Nba Power Forward. Who wants a greater vertical leak or volleyball player? Who wants a greater vertical leap? We'll actually ask that athlete to put the cut saw Danzon and then go through the cycle program which is pressure on pressure off pressure on pro-trump gradually increasing so there limb is totally engorged in blood at or as much as possible. Then we'll ask than athlete to go very slowly so for example. Some slow quarter squats. Don't lock the knees just up and down up and down quite slowly. When they burn out there then we'll ask them to move explosively. Okay jump high to block that volleyball or jump high on that jump shot. Jump as high as you can burn there. Then we burn that out and then we asked him to take off the bands and then performance they normally do in their workout that kind of a change in stress you know from just sitting in gorging the Kepler beds blood to slow movement and then to explosive movement and then back to their normal activity. We see the best in an optimal performance gains there. It doesn't matter it. It could be a boxer Eh. E fighter a gymnast a Golfer of any age Teenager to you know older guys. It could be race walkers marathon runners this is. This is what we advocate. And this is what Dr Sato is always seen. Okay so again this is important and I WANNA make sure people get this. You're saying you're doing your movement protocol with the bands and reducing the pressure than coming back and hitting it again in some cases. You're not reducing the pressure. You'll you're just actually reducing the volume or the Intensity so for example a runner would run a will. Just put it very simply. Runner would run at a Let's say one minute pace for four hundred meters the first time the second time they won't be able to maintain that pace though actually go slow. They'll maintain the pressure. However Wendy athlete can continue to maintain the pressure at a one minute for four hundred meter pace at that point. Then we increase the pressure very slightly. We basically imagine running at a four four mile permitted pace at sea level then trying to run a formative minute per mile pace at five hundred feet one thousand feet that at fifteen hundred feet etc because it as you mentioned before the hypocrisy apart of this is also very very critical for performance gains. And why is this important Dr South initially when I first met him again at this is the early two thousands we had been working or he had been working with the cardiologists with over ten year? Period seven thousand Cardiac Rehab patients. Now those are people generally between the ages of fifty and eighty and he could not push these people heart. He wasn't asking these people to Do a bench press even a push up of these people who just had a heart attack just had a stroke had heart bypass surgery and as they were being rolled out from the operating room. They were putting bands on them very very lightly and doing passive movement so the nurse or the therapists would actually be moving the limb with very very light pressure and during this period we learned how the body best response and again we were dealing with people were in the very vulnerable state. They had just come off of a heart attack. They were sixty five years old with diabetes. So the pressures were talking about. Were very very low And they were obviously getting tired. Their muscle would be or their muscle would start to A quiver even if we were moving their their arms their legs from that point. We learned well if we could do this with very very vulnerable very very weakened people we could obviously do that a lot more with very fit people and very fit all the way up till Olympians and pros so this is why that this change in mechanical stress from slow to fast from explosive. Back to regular speed if you will From a low pressure to high pressure. And then you try to sustain that performance level at a certain very high pressure in high could mean in your case in Dr Sowell's case. Four Hundred S K U or Melbourne. I've been using three fifty four hundred for most my workouts. I and I would expect that for a person of of your fitness your age etc. What Dr sought to would like to see someone like you do is to maintain that pressure until you're sixty seventy eighty ninety years old and that's the goal we want it just as you know. Athletes TRAIN THEIR BODIES AS writers and speakers practice their own Cognitive Skills Dr Sato and we want people actually practice their of vascular system or trained vascular assistance throughout their life. And and that was. That's the entire goal of cuts. It's more of a vascular training that it is muscular training right. Although you're you're you're getting a pretty significant muscular effect and the other thing that I find quite interesting is the the potential effect on the immune system here which is of course again pretty pretty relevant to the Times that we are in with this corona virus pandemic going on. We know that the nitric oxide release that you guys talked about production of the vascular endothelial growth factor and the nitric oxide which allows blood vessels to constrict and relax and regulate inflammatory cells in the blood vessel. Walls is of course great for for overall cardiovascular function. But then when you look at you know there's things released like some Plasma Jen's and ceremonies and you know even the growth hormone release that I think may have an impact on immunity but in particular you know the the FDA just a couple of days ago they actually Allowed for the granting of this thing called an Ino pulse for the treatment of cove in nineteen which is essentially a machine that allows for increased production of of A nitrogen oxide via inhaled nitric oxide and the reason for that is because it turns out that nitric oxide has some pretty potent antiviral effects. Meaning that there are. There are studies that that nitric oxide inhibit the replication of SARS cove. And there's a few other studies that show that that this This increase in. What's called flow mediated? Dilation can also increase the activity of endothelial nitric oxide synthase in the human body. We both of which occur in response to This blood flow restriction training. So I think there's something going on here from immunity standpoint but I'm just curious for you guys I know you're you're probably both on Corinthian as well. Have you been kind of stepping up your use of these things? Just you get that nitric oxide response and if so are you also doing anything else. Like in combination with your cots. Who Training to to kind of amplify that nitric oxide response. So on our end we have a family. Five got three Three teenagers Seventeen fifteen thirteen and Katie. And I and we all use God's we primarily used cycle mode when we're going for walks at the end of the day so we'll walk dogs and whatnot in I I again. I don't have the background to talk to a lot of specifics that you're you're mentioning but I am seeing a lot of studies that about hypotheses in the tissues talk about nitric oxide and tissue specifically the endothelial nitric oxide synthesis. I I guess there's there's three or four different types of Ino but the e Nazda endothelial nitric oxide every time you do cycle 'cause right now you're doing cycles on your machine. You're you're not doing that sustained pressure every time you do a cycle all that tissue Expands in in you get that rapid complete release in an relaxes each time. The tissue in the vascular walls not move like that and get create. This it's almost like a shearing movement. That's taking place primarily in the veins in Venus tissue each time that happens endothelial nitric oxide. Synthase is being released in the body. Now combine that with the hypoxia pieces taking place in the tissue and. Yeah there's there's some significant immune response stuff going on. I'm not even gonNA pretend to talk about it like doctor mccalla but but it's it's it's pretty significant from our understanding. How about you Steven? Yes Japan actually was hit with this A pandemic before the US most people in America were even aware of Dr Sato called immediately and encourage All of us all of us who are caught so users To do it at least three times a day which speaks to your Previous comment that you can actually use this multiple times a day easily so in my own case. I have four children of their high schoolers. They're college students and their young working adults. They were all either put on a work from home basis or their schools were cancelled for the time being. So they're all home so they're all doing online schooling or three of them and the other one is working from home as they are literally watching. Their teacher gives them a lecture or doing their homework. The have the band on their arms or their legs They're doing Katsu and then at two thirty we set up a program for our local high school. And those I think we have twenty four kids who have Katsu bans on and we all get on zoom and we all do a workout together. The workout is led by one of the teachers whose coach We do everything from You know triceps dips to Stretches to Different kind of Isometric holes etcetera. It's a good way for the kids to release. We are in a shelter in place location and then in addition to that my wife and I and my parents live nearby. My father's eighty four. My mother's eighty two. They do it three times a day. They walk around their complex. You know at their own pace and we strongly encourage everybody to do Katsu During this period doctor was first warning back in. I think it was a second week in January when when Tokyo was I aware of this. Was You know we want as strong? Immune as possible and cuts is a big part of that that anybody could work in you know in the course of their day whether there are a student in front of their laptop or you know a husband and wife going to walk the dog in the evening. Yeah Yeah and what I've found is for me since we're visiting the sauna so much on the Cold Pool Lot. I can put these on for Mike Flow Yoga that doing the on in the morning which is going to result in a nitric oxide release anyways and then I just trudged through the yard with the strap still on and you know again. I'm breaking the rules. I got the arms legs on at the same time but I walked through the art. I'd jump in the cold pool. I go back and forth in the Cold Pool A few times and so I'm using it for that again like I mentioned. I'm doing some training on the air..

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on The Ultimate Health Podcast

The Ultimate Health Podcast

11:01 min | 11 months ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on The Ultimate Health Podcast

"You be using Air Pods or Bluetooth headphones and shielding your cell from ems. So much great information in this one such important information so if you know anybody in your life a family member or friend who can benefit from it. Please share the episode. We really appreciate it and without further ado here. We go with Dr Joseph McCulloch Doctor mccalla. Welcome back to the podcast so great to chat with the again. Well it's great to be here Jesse. Yeah we got a lot to get into. I loved your New Book On. Ems and I love the title. Em assist perfect. My sister's responsible for that one love it. I'm sure people are gonNA love it as well as we jump in here. I think it's important to talk about how you first became aware of ems. I know for you. This has been something on your radar for about twenty years. Some curious how did you initially come in contact with them? And what was your initial reaction. Well because I've got a website that seeks to educate the public about health issues. I became aware of this a long time ago about two decades ago as you mentioned and it was pretty clear if you if you're serving the literature that this is an issue so I knew about it. I accepted that they were an issue but reluctantly chose to accept it. Fully embrace it and act upon it in a way that would protect me specifically largely because I fell prey to the deceptive campaigns by the wireless industry essentially replicated the patterns of the tobacco industry. They absolutely do work. They seek to create doubt and confusion. Which is a primary strategy and they certainly did my mind than they effectively by spinning off of many other ostensibly credible research studies. That suggested. There wasn't an issue. So pretty this doubt this lack of scientific certainty and unlike tobacco which has very clear and strong suggestions that. There's something going on here. I mean just common sense. Why would you inhale something? That's Y- smoke into your lungs. I mean it just doesn't make sense is not going to be an issue but wireless radiation. It doesn't have that at all in fact to other counters at our amazing Lee beneficial to us and that is incredibly inconvenient prize with all these tools easy access to the greatest innovation history of mankind. Which is the Internet. And it's invisible. You can't hear see it smell it so you're just never aware that you're being enveloped with these exposures with that. In the convenience aspect primarily I just shows to be remained ignorant and at ignorant but chose to embrace it in full and take measures to counteract it and I didn't really get motivated to get more serious about it until one of my mentors. Dr Klinghoffer confronted me with this. He's a clinician. For many years in sees a large number of people still in the trenches being patient some of the sickest patients in the world sees in Europe and in the US and one of his basic tenants as he refuses to see someone. Unless they're gonNA mitigate the M. F. Exposures because he knows that there's not going to get better so that to me was a giant clue and I got serious about in once I started studying it and it took me three years to compile information. This book became real obvious that this was indeed. A real threat in that the source of the confusion was the wireless industry and they're far more sophisticated than tobacco industry. Everyone knows how effective they were. I mean Jay's we had every federal regulatory agency telling us in warning of the dangers of cigarette smoking yet they still persisted for thirty years before we finally got the black box warnings and telling people very clearly authoritatively that these are dangerous and I think everyone listening most likely can remember when the four five. Ceo's of all the major tobacco industries testifying before Congress saying one that cigarettes were not addictive and to to the best of their knowledge did not cause cancer. They were lying through their teeth. It took that long and they still lied. But finally attorney generals were able to correct that in impose tens of billions of dollars in sanctions against them. And we're going to head towards a similar result with the wireless intrigued but it's going to probably take another twenty thirty forty years. I mean because the evidence is so clear and compelling once you objectively review it and before we get deep into the nitty gritty here. I think it's important. Were on the same page and to get there. Can you explain exactly what? Ems are sure mfs is an acronym is your electromagnetic fields and describes the entire range spectrum. Which can be anywhere from a fraction of a cycle per second which is called hurts too many billions of or even hundreds of thousands of billions of cycles. Per Second. Not all you must are dangerous. We've been exposed to EMS since air entire human biological history and example of those would be sunlight. Sunlight isn't enough broadly. They're broken down into two different categories. I O nizing radiation in which there is some from sunlight. Ultraviolet radiation was gives us our son Tannin. Vitamin D is actually ionizing radiation. That's when you get too much you'll get a thermal burn as dangerous. You don't WanNa get excessive something like that but obviously some as important to stay healthy. I don't think any rational human being other than a dermatologist. Which hard to classifies rational most of the time would disagree with that and we've had relatively low exposures. I mean they're earth actually emits certain very low level. Emf's Shuman Resin Sake. Seventy eight hurts or so but this is very low level but the exposures that we're most concerned about our manmade ones which didn't really exist before the late eighteen eighties or so electrical fields radiofrequency feels these were not around the planet but they started becoming more prominent even though they were around for four years at the end of World War. One they were still pretty low and if you compare the levels of a typical major exposure we're concerned with which radio frequencies which is about two to five Gigahertz Gigahertz as a billion cycles per second those are the frequency that your microwave oven runs on and your cellphone. They're almost identical frequencies. The industry uses heat thermal damage as a measure of the safety. Because it's the same for microwave. So their thought is that if it's not heating your tissue like a microwave than can't possibly cause biological damage will go back to that later. There's this broad spectrum of ems the end of world will want certain level even though ems. Were around be as we're ROTHROCK FORTY YEARS? It was still relatively low out century later. Nineteen or twenty twenty. We are literally at a billion billion times higher exposure than we were a hundred years ago. That's ten to the fifteenth. So it's hard to imagine that an increase in that type of magnitude of exposure wouldn't have some biological impact so today for example getting into the different man media mass. There's four different types. One being radio frequencies than we got magnetic fields electric fields and dirty electricity. Well Yeah. Those are the primary mimic exposures note. Nature does create radio frequencies to I mean they exist in stars amid him. I think you'll see there are out there but the really really low exposures if you were to measure them they be. I mean it almost immeasurable by most commercial equipment so the issue is not only the frequency but the amount of intensity of exposure them out of power. That's being broadcast into your tissue right. We're going to be looking at the Manmade Weinstein how we can lessen or totally eliminate the impact on the human body. You talked about the SARS and you talked about the effect of this radiation causing heat on the tissue so first of all I just want to get into the FCC here. 'cause they're the ones that are creating these guidelines and the guidelines they're creating have to do with heating tissue so let's go a bit deeper into this and talk about SARS and in the measurement that we're using here and how that works will SARS is another acronym again stands for a specific absorption. I forget the IRS Stanford but essentially it's a term used to describe how much heat is generated when you're exposed to electronic device and it's not unreasonable because it is. I says microwave transmitter. So it will vibrate your tissues as certain frequency and create. He'd and he'd can clearly 'cause biologic damage and it can be an indirect indicator of the amount of danger. That's there but by no means a direct because we know now very clearly and there's literally hundreds if not thousands of studies have proved conclusively that is not the heating damage is what we call the non thermal effects and for the longest time it. We really confused me. No one really knew or understood. What the biologic mechanism was for these. Non Thermal Effects. We just knew. That's what causes damage. We knew it was heating was very very clear was not heating the tissue and if you go abide by these standards FCC I think just adopted him from another professional agency is like International Electrical Standards Agency that they took that from and they've got these models based on but even using this flawed model they use this model that is called Sam which was patterned after a six foot. Two or four military guy was weighed about two hundred thirty pounds sale very large head and it totally different characteristics than a child. They're measuring SAR based on that model. So it's flawed and they're not measure for children also it's slugged begin with but even using that model. It's still an indirect indication because it will give you an indication of the amount of power that's being generated by that devise. But you cannot you simply cannot use. Sars is indication of the safety of your phone because it isn't other than you maybe can compare models and will lower star rating. Might be a little safer but you still need the shield yourself because exposure this will clearly increase your risk of biological damage in the most common would be cancer but you know what I call cell phones to cigarettes of the twentieth century for good reason because there's so many similarities. Not only did they wireless industry pattern their tactics after tobacco but they also in many ways are almost identical with the mechanism of the Holocaust. Har- They do not hurt you. After one exposure or exposure for a week a month or maybe even a decade it takes these is a long term chronic exposure. Where ultimately you'll succumb to the biologic damage. So this is a new experiment. Most people listening to this if not been exposed to their cell phone for more than two decades. I mean there are some but there's like no one more than three decades and debt still maybe under the window a word required exposures going to occur to encounter these side effects and you know people can smoke for four or five decades and still not have cancer now. They make succumb to other reasons. Like my mom who's longtime smoker and was confusing to see by the tobacco industry and she ultimately wound up dying from complications from COPD or emphysema. So you don't necessarily have to die directly from cancer but there's a lot of people coming down with brain cancer as and even prominent celebrities. We have two senators Ted Kennedy and John McCain who both died from brain cancer secondary to cell phone exposures. And there's a lot even people do many times. The relatives don't understand..

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Are Cell Phones the Cigarettes of the 21st Century?

The Ultimate Health Podcast

10:38 min | 11 months ago

Are Cell Phones the Cigarettes of the 21st Century?

"We go with Dr Joseph McCulloch Doctor mccalla. Welcome back to the podcast so great to chat with the again. Well it's great to be here Jesse. Yeah we got a lot to get into. I loved your New Book On. Ems and I love the title. Em assist perfect. My sister's responsible for that one love it. I'm sure people are gonNA love it as well as we jump in here. I think it's important to talk about how you first became aware of ems. I know for you. This has been something on your radar for about twenty years. Some curious how did you initially come in contact with them? And what was your initial reaction. Well because I've got a website that seeks to educate the public about health issues. I became aware of this a long time ago about two decades ago as you mentioned and it was pretty clear if you if you're serving the literature that this is an issue so I knew about it. I accepted that they were an issue but reluctantly chose to accept it. Fully embrace it and act upon it in a way that would protect me specifically largely because I fell prey to the deceptive campaigns by the wireless industry essentially replicated the patterns of the tobacco industry. They absolutely do work. They seek to create doubt and confusion. Which is a primary strategy and they certainly did my mind than they effectively by spinning off of many other ostensibly credible research studies. That suggested. There wasn't an issue. So pretty this doubt this lack of scientific certainty and unlike tobacco which has very clear and strong suggestions that. There's something going on here. I mean just common sense. Why would you inhale something? That's Y- smoke into your lungs. I mean it just doesn't make sense is not going to be an issue but wireless radiation. It doesn't have that at all in fact to other counters at our amazing Lee beneficial to us and that is incredibly inconvenient prize with all these tools easy access to the greatest innovation history of mankind. Which is the Internet. And it's invisible. You can't hear see it smell it so you're just never aware that you're being enveloped with these exposures with that. In the convenience aspect primarily I just shows to be remained ignorant and at ignorant but chose to embrace it in full and take measures to counteract it and I didn't really get motivated to get more serious about it until one of my mentors. Dr Klinghoffer confronted me with this. He's a clinician. For many years in sees a large number of people still in the trenches being patient some of the sickest patients in the world sees in Europe and in the US and one of his basic tenants as he refuses to see someone. Unless they're gonNA mitigate the M. F. Exposures because he knows that there's not going to get better so that to me was a giant clue and I got serious about in once I started studying it and it took me three years to compile information. This book became real obvious that this was indeed. A real threat in that the source of the confusion was the wireless industry and they're far more sophisticated than tobacco industry. Everyone knows how effective they were. I mean Jay's we had every federal regulatory agency telling us in warning of the dangers of cigarette smoking yet they still persisted for thirty years before we finally got the black box warnings and telling people very clearly authoritatively that these are dangerous and I think everyone listening most likely can remember when the four five. Ceo's of all the major tobacco industries testifying before Congress saying one that cigarettes were not addictive and to to the best of their knowledge did not cause cancer. They were lying through their teeth. It took that long and they still lied. But finally attorney generals were able to correct that in impose tens of billions of dollars in sanctions against them. And we're going to head towards a similar result with the wireless intrigued but it's going to probably take another twenty thirty forty years. I mean because the evidence is so clear and compelling once you objectively review it and before we get deep into the nitty gritty here. I think it's important. Were on the same page and to get there. Can you explain exactly what? Ems are sure mfs is an acronym is your electromagnetic fields and describes the entire range spectrum. Which can be anywhere from a fraction of a cycle per second which is called hurts too many billions of or even hundreds of thousands of billions of cycles. Per Second. Not all you must are dangerous. We've been exposed to EMS since air entire human biological history and example of those would be sunlight. Sunlight isn't enough broadly. They're broken down into two different categories. I O nizing radiation in which there is some from sunlight. Ultraviolet radiation was gives us our son Tannin. Vitamin D is actually ionizing radiation. That's when you get too much you'll get a thermal burn as dangerous. You don't WanNa get excessive something like that but obviously some as important to stay healthy. I don't think any rational human being other than a dermatologist. Which hard to classifies rational most of the time would disagree with that and we've had relatively low exposures. I mean they're earth actually emits certain very low level. Emf's Shuman Resin Sake. Seventy eight hurts or so but this is very low level but the exposures that we're most concerned about our manmade ones which didn't really exist before the late eighteen eighties or so electrical fields radiofrequency feels these were not around the planet but they started becoming more prominent even though they were around for four years at the end of World War. One they were still pretty low and if you compare the levels of a typical major exposure we're concerned with which radio frequencies which is about two to five Gigahertz Gigahertz as a billion cycles per second those are the frequency that your microwave oven runs on and your cellphone. They're almost identical frequencies. The industry uses heat thermal damage as a measure of the safety. Because it's the same for microwave. So their thought is that if it's not heating your tissue like a microwave than can't possibly cause biological damage will go back to that later. There's this broad spectrum of ems the end of world will want certain level even though ems. Were around be as we're ROTHROCK FORTY YEARS? It was still relatively low out century later. Nineteen or twenty twenty. We are literally at a billion billion times higher exposure than we were a hundred years ago. That's ten to the fifteenth. So it's hard to imagine that an increase in that type of magnitude of exposure wouldn't have some biological impact so today for example getting into the different man media mass. There's four different types. One being radio frequencies than we got magnetic fields electric fields and dirty electricity. Well Yeah. Those are the primary mimic exposures note. Nature does create radio frequencies to I mean they exist in stars amid him. I think you'll see there are out there but the really really low exposures if you were to measure them they be. I mean it almost immeasurable by most commercial equipment so the issue is not only the frequency but the amount of intensity of exposure them out of power. That's being broadcast into your tissue right. We're going to be looking at the Manmade Weinstein how we can lessen or totally eliminate the impact on the human body. You talked about the SARS and you talked about the effect of this radiation causing heat on the tissue so first of all I just want to get into the FCC here. 'cause they're the ones that are creating these guidelines and the guidelines they're creating have to do with heating tissue so let's go a bit deeper into this and talk about SARS and in the measurement that we're using here and how that works will SARS is another acronym again stands for a specific absorption. I forget the IRS Stanford but essentially it's a term used to describe how much heat is generated when you're exposed to electronic device and it's not unreasonable because it is. I says microwave transmitter. So it will vibrate your tissues as certain frequency and create. He'd and he'd can clearly 'cause biologic damage and it can be an indirect indicator of the amount of danger. That's there but by no means a direct because we know now very clearly and there's literally hundreds if not thousands of studies have proved conclusively that is not the heating damage is what we call the non thermal effects and for the longest time it. We really confused me. No one really knew or understood. What the biologic mechanism was for these. Non Thermal Effects. We just knew. That's what causes damage. We knew it was heating was very very clear was not heating the tissue and if you go abide by these standards FCC I think just adopted him from another professional agency is like International Electrical Standards Agency that they took that from and they've got these models based on but even using this flawed model they use this model that is called Sam which was patterned after a six foot. Two or four military guy was weighed about two hundred thirty pounds sale very large head and it totally different characteristics than a child. They're measuring SAR based on that model. So it's flawed and they're not measure for children also it's slugged begin with but even using that model. It's still an indirect indication because it will give you an indication of the amount of power that's being generated by that devise. But you cannot you simply cannot use. Sars is indication of the safety of your phone because it isn't other than you maybe can compare models and will lower star rating. Might be a little safer but you still need the shield yourself because exposure this will clearly increase your risk of biological damage in the most common would be cancer but you know what I call cell phones to cigarettes of the twentieth century for good reason because there's so many similarities. Not only did they wireless industry pattern their tactics after tobacco but they also in many ways are almost identical with the mechanism of the Holocaust. Har- They do not hurt you. After one exposure or exposure for a week a month or maybe even a decade it takes these is a long term chronic exposure. Where ultimately you'll succumb to the biologic damage. So this is a new experiment. Most people listening to this if not been exposed to their cell phone for more than two decades. I mean there are some but there's like no one more than three decades and debt still maybe under the window a word required exposures going to occur to encounter these side effects and you know people can smoke for four or five decades and still not have cancer now. They make succumb to other reasons. Like my mom who's longtime smoker and was confusing to see by the tobacco industry and she ultimately wound up dying from complications from COPD or emphysema. So you don't necessarily have to die directly from cancer but there's a lot of people coming down with brain cancer as and even prominent celebrities. We have two senators Ted Kennedy and John McCain who both died from brain cancer secondary to cell phone

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on The Chalene Show

The Chalene Show

03:29 min | 1 year ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on The Chalene Show

"Look into e m d r e m d are therapy go to e n d r dot org or even go to are resident expert she's austin inside of are pod squad by the way and that is doctor mccalla you could find her in the pod squad but you could also find her by going to her website that is doctor mccalla dot com she does skype sessions is well that's her instagram to at d r n c h y outlay okay so mchale is spelled n c y l a's duct makila dot com you could check her on instagram and you know and if therapies is not in the cards free right now financially and again i'm speaking to everyone not just kelly but kelly thank you for bringing this up because i know you're helping people by asking this question you know we have sponsors of are shows i've talked about that are a great like you know first step at superduper affordable talk space being one of them if you just enter shaleen at checkout in fact i think that's what it is yet that's definitely the code like i always use the same code is showing and i think it's talk space dot com and you enter my code and i i forget what the but they do is give the hook up you know we enter the code i know the hook up as but susan adver talk space but it is me encouraging those of you who are reluctant to try therapy we you feel weird about going to sit down with someone like sometimes do any online versions a little bit more comfortable and i know a doctor mckay listen she's had a lot of people were like you know i always want to work with you but i don't necessarily have the funds to fly the southern california you know there's another online line option few so kelly i love you you are enough you are eight beautiful so god placed this beginning in your life for reason for purpose end i believe leave there once we work through challenges then it'll all makes sense you know you'll you'll realize the gift that these things were for you i mean i already can tell you that it's been a gift in you're helping others just by having had the courage to ask that question so kelly i love you and by the way if you do reach out to doctor but kayla i want to pay for your very first session that one is on me kelly you know you are i have you're message end i will let doctor mccalla no i just i wanna thank you for your courage all right next question this one is from francine she says i'm fifty five and i'm raising my five year old granddaughter order end i have my eighty five year old dad with me i have no help other than having babysitters from time to time i'm watching all my friends and my family members in my siblings liv freely now the kids are out of the nest and no matter how much personal development i do i still feel resentful at times i know i'm blessed missing out on so much that i wanna do and i know i'll have to home school my granddaughter if i wanna travel the way i want it's just i don't know how to care for my dad to and put him in a home if that's something i could even afford to do just feels selfish of me this one is heavy francine first of all you are an angel i mean when it is your time the gates

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on Bulletproof Radio

Bulletproof Radio

03:52 min | 1 year ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on Bulletproof Radio

"Solution is stable for months. It's like, wow. That is that the the best way to do it. Then the other one is really cool. And another reason why do partial fastener Kito fast when I fly. So if I'm like, I'm going to fly to Austin on Wednesday or Thursday. So I will do a partial fast on Wednesday will not eat Thursday. So I'm going to going into Austin forty hour fast Heike levels do number of things they increase N P H. One of our previous interviews. You would we're talking about my country. You were describing countries the battery of this. But it really isn't the better all the better. The cell is ADP H as the reservoir. The school ridge mechanism. I agree with you. Yes, distort. So you restore this this reductive potential that can recharge antioxidant glutathione when all the ones that you need and high tone esters will do that. And they're also really potent Histon deacetylases hitters. So I found what have palm flying. I liked him. I keep doing two or three. That's the take time to take Kito nester. So you can take Kito. No, sir. Some still haven't figured out the timing on this. You you could take it during your when you fly but some visas who's probably you've you interrupt before the show. Yeah. So he's one of the world experts on his and his associates built William Curtis is another cool guide the studies. They published showed that if you do in at least in rats if you do twenty four hours after the radiation exposure it obliterated almost all the damage. So that's what I'm doing. Now, just makes a little more convenient. I take the dose like after I land or the next day after land the other thing, that's. Completely transformative for me comes from Nick foles, the Super Bowl MVP is a friend who's been on the show and just just amazing human being I've worn compression socks for a long time. When I fly because the evidence is pretty strong about that. And Dave now, you gotta try the compression pants, really. And so I texted him. I tell me the brand because I bought some that didn't work on Amazon. And he told me I don't have any of these guys. He told me take the try the two you ones are the best ones I've found, but that's not a like, there's no commercially thing there. So I bought those that works. So then I went on I started testing, compression shirts. So if you see me on an airplane, and I looked particularly ripped. It's because I'm wearing a full of full body, basically from my ankles on the pants all the way up to your midriff. And then I have a compression shirt as well. And I wear it for several hours after I fly. And the reason I think this is so important is that electrons move around inside your cells and your cells swell up when you're in high pressure. Well, when there's no room for them swell. They don't swell up. So your lecture on transport is noticeably improved just because the cells can't get bigger, and I'm telling everyone listening if you go out and spend it's gonna cost you about one hundred and one hundred bucks for good pair of compression pants about one hundred bucks hundred twenty five bucks for compression shirt. That's a lot of money. But if you do that, and you were that when you fly when you get off the airplane? You will feel more like yourself than you possibly could imagine it actually works interesting. The the addition I would add to that is considered wearing a any blocking shirt hundred that compressed do that. Actually, I do that on top of the compression. So that okay. Yeah. Knowing I have to wear it underneath I made myself at the sewing machine. So, you know, so we're we're seriously exposing the level of geeks that we are doctor mccalla, but I just bought a t shirt a awhile ago that the did that I put that on over my compression shirt, but where I have my cell phone I myself on airplane mode when it's on my body. You're more militant about that than I am. But what I did find is that where my cell phone sits against my leg. I don't put it near my organs. So I put it on a pocket on my femur. Basically, my right femur had ten percent less bone density them..

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

04:29 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"Had the bodies exhumed in nineteen sixty five and and it was proven at that time that it wasn't him. But those zoomed about east they they did it, of course, for Nova television, and they'd already done this the exclamation of the bodies. I spoke with snow who is the French pathologist who who did the work investigative work on. And they had already determined that. They were going to do this story about their. They're not had had. You have some ideas about at a place who is really a mystery figure in this whole story. You actually think there might be two of them. But tell me tell me you who you think the first ETA was well, I was the ambassador she was a from Browns park, Wyoming. She was kind of a notorious for navy even have books have been written about Bassett family. And she and she we've got an argument with Tom horn out. Of course, Tom Warren was a famous killer. He was hired by the Cadillac clean out the Russel's out of Browns park where I need shoot them. He'd just shoot him shoot him the name. I don't know. If you remember the movie, they made a movie Steve McQueen? It's pretty good. And he would just shoot him. So he he went and got in good with those allies browse marketing any figured out who was doing wrestling and the shot him he shot ambassad Moi friend, and he shot another guy. And then he, but he'd give them notice it tell them go get out here or you're dead. Well, he's not one to and back. Delete. So if you didn't he said, she's gonna die. She had to leave browse part right after the they robbed the Bank. They went to budget Sundance went to Browns park. And they were there when that second guy was shot when the first one refers boy when the second one was killed by more neighboring Browns park, and they knew and Bassett. And so they I think what happened was she adamant they could go they they told him they were going to America they had to start a new life. And they said, yeah, sure, you can. And so they she went to she she she wasn't going to Fort Worth leaving for work. But she got sick and got delays. You've actually made it to New York. And then from New York they went to South America. And but she didn't say they're one of the return fifty belong brought her back. She didn't want to go out on that frontier. Way out there, if you want to go back to back to Wyoming, and the Wyoming had changed and Bill along or worn was soon be hung for the killing of a kid named Willie nickel. And so she was safe. She went back to Wyoming, and and he lived there from then on. And so that's what I'm there. But I think that that she's the one that's in that photograph famous photograph Sundance and the woman. That's that's ambassador. I. That was the person that did it for analysis like doctor mccalla did for mine for me. And he created the that's the same person. Well, it sure looks like a looks like a pretty strong resemblance. So tell me this how how is this story go over and the rest of your family, the daughters that you told they had different versions of of how Bill long died did they and other members of your family? Are they convinced that the Sundance? Yeah. Yeah. They all we all knew that. He was not law. Much guys. Matter of fact, I got a lot of the information from it from my relatives. I have a lot on their big family. And they they they're they're they're all pretty well convinced that the they said, I I've got it figured out. So well, Jerry nickel. I'll tell you. You you've done a lot of good work in this. It's a really interesting book bringing Sundance home. I'm glad to have my own copy of it. And I appreciate you being here and good luck. I wish you good luck. And maybe we've got some maybe you got some listeners who are going to send you some leads. We'll have contact information on the website. So that anybody listening who might have some insight into this can send it along. Thanks for being here. Okay. Well, thank you very much. I sure appreciate all righty and Marshall Tucker is going to take us into the end of the break with a song. That sounds like a alone some cowboy Cal polka Mosey and along the visit the schoolmarm it's called desert skies in a moment. We'll talk with Chet and Kim bracket about one of the most famous Bank robberies of the old west the win amok a robbery that we've been hearing about tonight, they have a whole. Whole different theory about who was responsible. We'll.

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

News Radio 920 AM

06:08 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

"Well, when he came home from that visit they act and I knew was now offering then they family ask you where did you go who did you visit? And he says, it's none of your business and don't act about it. Again. He didn't wanna talk about his outlaw past I draw that conclusion that. That that was the same time 'cause he was their exact same time in price at Butch. Cassidy wasn't by the Matt Warner salute. So tell me this. That was it. If you're if Bill long was the Sundance kid, and there was confusion on purpose and some of it on purpose accidental with the the real Harry long about what happened to Harry long about. Because I would think if the Pinkerton files are all wrong and they're looking for him. Why didn't they find what happened to him? Well, he wanted to Canada, and they found that he he he was in Canada in nineteen o one or nineteen. No, he was in a Canadian census in nineteen hundred. And that was the last time that there's any reason to be right there in Canada. And I I know I just I I don't know what happened to I think he probably died up there Ganor. But I I don't know. I don't think anybody knows. Of course, I use that say, well, he died South America. When he didn't I South America show, the Bush came back, and he was he was. By back in Utah after that shootout. So, but I don't know what happened to Harry long. I think really think he was kind of a insignificant person. And I don't think he was an outlaw or a criminal except when he robbed at stole that horse and then got away. And I think he is he just stayed up in Canada around Calgary someplace in and he just probably died. There's an old man. I don't even know if he had had. You have some ideas about Etta place who is really a mystery figure in this whole story. You actually think there might be two of them. But tell me tell me you who you think the first at a was there was and bash said she was from Browns park, Wyoming. She was kind of a notorious I navy even have books have been written about the Bassett family, and she and she got into an argument with Tom horn. And of course, they've Tom worn was famous killer. He was hired by the cattle to clean out. The Russell out of Browns park work. I need shoot them. Yeah. He just shoot him shoot him an coaching. I don't know. If you remember the movie, they made a movie Steve McQueen is pretty good. Yeah. And he would just shoot them. So he he went and got in good with those log browse bargaining any has figured out who was doing the wrestling. And he shot him. He shot ambassadors boyfriend, and he shot an another guy. And then he, but he'd give notice it. Tell them going get outta here. Don't or you're dead. Well, he wanted to and back. Delete. So if he didn't he said, she she's gonna die. So she had to leave Browns park right after the they robbed the Bank. They went to butcher of Sundance went the Browns park. And they were there wasn't that second guy was shot. When the first one refers boyfriend, but when the second one was killed by more neighbor in Browns park, and they knew and Bassett. And so they I think what happened was she him. They could go 'cause they they told him they were going to South America. They had to start a new life. And they said, yeah, sure, you can come with us. And and so they she went to she she she wasn't going to Fort Worth meet him before worth. But she got sick and got delayed eventually made it to New York. And then from New York they went to South America. And but she didn't stay there. One of the return trips to belong brought her back. She didn't want to go out on that. Frontier. Way out there, you want to go back to back Wyoming and the range worm Wyoming had changed and Bill long or Tom Warren was soon be hung for the killing of a kid named Willie nickel. And so she was safe. She went back to Wyoming, and and she lived there from then on and so that's what I under. But I think that she's the one that's in that photograph that famous photograph of Sundance and the woman. That's that's ambassador. I there was the person that did it for now. So like doctor mccalla did for my for me, and he concluded the same person. Well, it sure looks like looks like a pretty strong resemblance. Tell me how how is this story. Go over in the rest of your family the daughters. You know that you told they had different versions of of how long died did they and other members of your family? Are they convinced that the Sundance? Yeah. Yeah. They all we all knew that. He was not law Ragas Butch Cassidy. And I think I matter of fact, I got a lot of information from from my relatives live a lot on their big family. And they they they're they're they are all pretty well convinced that the they said, I think I've I've got it figured out. So while Jerry nickel, I'll tell you. You you done a lot of good work in this. It's a really interesting book bringing Sundance home. I'm glad to have my own copy of it. And I appreciate you being here and good luck. I wish you good luck. And maybe we've got some maybe you got some listeners who are going to send you some leads. We'll have contact information on the website. So that anybody listening who might have some insight into this can send it along. Thanks for being here. Okay. Well, thank you very much. I sure appreciate it. All righty and Marshall Tucker is going to take us into the end of the break with a song. That sounds like a alone. Some cowboy Cal poke Mosey along the visit the schoolmarm it's called desert skies in a moment. We'll talk with chat and Kim. About one of the most famous Bank robberies of the old west the winner Maka robbery that.

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM

KLBJ 590AM

06:08 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM

"Well, when he came home from that visit they act and I knew was now offering they family ask you where did you go who did you visit? And he said, it's none of your business and don't act about it. Again. He didn't wanna talk about his outlaw past dry drawback inclusion that that that was the same time. 'cause he was there at the exact same time in price Butch Kathy one by the Matt Warner salute. So tell me this. That was it. If you're if Bill long was the Sundance kid, and there was confusion on purpose at some of it on purpose some accidental with the the real Harry long about what happened to Harry long about. Because I would think if the Pinkerton files are all wrong and they're looking for him. Why didn't they find him? What happened to him? Well, he wanted to Canada, and they found that he he he was in Canada in nineteen o one or nineteen. No, he was in a Canadian census in nineteen hundred. And that was the last time that there's any readily right there in Canada. And I I just I don't know what happened to I think he probably died up there Ganor. But I I don't know. I don't think anybody knows, you know. Of course, they use that say, well, he died in South America when he didn't die South America, kicking show the Bush came back, and he was he was. Back in Utah after that shootout. So, but I don't know what happened to Harry law. I really think he was kind of a insignificant person. And I don't think he was an outlaw or criminal except when he robbed that stole that horse and got away. And I think he just he just stayed up in Canada around Calgary someplace, and and he just probably died. There's an old man. I don't even know if he had had. You have some ideas about Etta place who is really a mystery figure in this whole story. You actually think there might be two of them. But tell me tell me you who you think the first at a was there was the and Bassett she was from Browns park, Wyoming. He was kind of a notorious for navy even have books have been written about Bassett family. And she and she got an argument with Tom horn out. Of course, they've Tom Warner was a famous killer. He was hired by the cattle, so clean out the Russia's out of browse park where I need shoot them. Yeah. He just shoot him shoot him. They coaching. I don't know. If you remember the movie, they made a movie Steve McQueen is pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. And he would just shoot them. So he he went and got in good with those laws browse barking any gets figured out who was doing the wrestling and he shot him. He shot ambassador. Boyfriend, and he shot an another guy. And then he, but he'd given notice it tell them going get outta here. Don't or your dad. Well, he's got one two and Bassett. The league. So if he didn't he said, she's gonna die. So she had to leave rows park right after the they robbed the Bank. They went too much of Sundance went to browse park. And they were there wasn't that second guy was shot when the first one his first boy man, but when the second one was killed by more than they were in Browns park, and they knew and Bassett. And so they I think what happened was she ask them if they could go 'cause they cheat. They told him they were going to South America. They had to start a new life. And they said, yeah, sure, you can. And and so they she went to she she she wasn't going to Fort Worth meeting overworked, but she got sick and got delayed. She actually made it to New York. And then from New York they went to South America. And but she didn't say they're one of the return trips to belong brought her back. She didn't want to go out on that frontier. Way out there, if you want to go back to back to Wyoming, and the range weren't wiling had changed and the Bill long or Tom Morton was soon be hung for the killing of a kid named Willie nickel. And so she was safe. She went back to Wyoming, and and she lived there from then on and so that's what I under-. But I think that that she's the one that's in that photograph that famous photograph of Sundance and the woman. That's that's ambassador. I. There was a person did a photo analysis like doctor mccalla different for me and the other the same person. Well, it sure looks like a looks like a pretty strong resemblance to tell me this. How how is this story go over and the rest of your family the daughters? You know that you told they had different versions of of how Bill long died. Did they and other members of your family? Are they convinced that the Sundance? Yeah. Yeah. They all we all knew that. He was not law wrote guys. Matter of fact, I got a lot of the information from from my relatives. I have a lot of them. They're big family. And they they they're they're they're all pretty well convinced that they are they said that they faked I've I've got it figured out. So well, Jerry nickel. I'll tell you. You you done a lot of good work in this. It's a really interesting book bringing Sundance home. I'm glad to have my own copy of it. And I appreciate you being here and good luck. I wish you good luck. And maybe we've got some maybe you got some listeners who are going to send you some leads. We'll have contact information on the website. So that anybody listening who might have some insight into this can send it along. Thanks for being here. Okay. Well, thank you very much. I sure appreciate it. All righty and Marshall Tucker is going to take us into the end of the break with a song. That sounds like a lonesome cowboy kalpa PCA Mosey and along the visit the schoolmarm it's called desert skies in a moment. We'll talk with Chet and Kim bracket about one of the most famous Bank robberies of the old west the win amok a robbery.

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

06:15 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"Allow offering them this saloon down in downtown down in price. Well, when he came home from that visit they act, and they knew was an all offering than they family ask you where did you go who did you visit? And he said, it's none of your business and don't act about it. Again. He didn't wanna talk about his outlaw past. So I I draw back inclusion that that that was the same time. 'cause he was there at the exact same time in price Bush got the one by the marijuana salute. So tell me this. If you're if Bill long was the Sundance kid, and there was confusion on purpose at some of it on purpose some accidental with the the real Harry long about what happened to Harry long about. Because I would think if the Pinkerton files are all wrong and they're looking for him. Why didn't they find him? What happened to him? Well, he he wants to Canada, and they found that he he he was in Canada in nineteen old one. Nineteen. No, he was in a Canadian census in nineteen hundred. And that was the last time that there's any it'll right there in Canada. And I know I just I don't know what happened to I think he probably died up there Ganor. But I I don't know. I don't think anybody knows you know, course, they use that day. Well, he died in South America when he didn't die South America. Viljo the Bush came back, you know, and he was he was. Back in Utah after that shootout. So, but I don't know what happened to Harry long. I think really thinking was kind of a insignificant person. And I don't think he was an outlaw or a criminal except when he robbed that stole that horse and then got away, and I think he just he just stayed up in Canada around Calgary someplace, and and he just probably died. There's an old man. I don't even know if he had had. You have some ideas about Etta place who is really a mystery figure in this whole story. You actually think there might be two of them. But tell me tell me you who you think the first at a was there was the ambassador she was from Browns park, Wyoming. She was kind of a notorious first name even had books have been written about back to family, and she and she got an argument with Tom horn. And of course, they've Tom was famous killer. He was hired by the cattle, so clean out the Russia's out of Browns park where I need shoot them. He just shoot him shoot 'em. Of course. I don't know. If you remember the movie, they made a movie, Steve McQueen and pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. And he would just shoot them. So he wa- he went and got in good with those log of browse barking, and he gives figured out who was doing the wrestling. And he shot him. He shot ambassador boyfriend, and he shot a another guy. And then he, but he'd give notice it. Tell them going get outta here. Don't or your dad wanted to and. The league. So if he didn't he said, she she's gonna die. So she had to leave balanced park. Right after the they robbed a win amok at the Bank. They went too much of Sundance went the Browns park. And they were there wasn't that second guy was shot. When the first one refers boy man, but when the second one was killed by more than they were in Browns park, and they knew and Bassett. And so they I think what happened was she adamant they could go they they told him they were going to South America. They had to start a new life. And they said, yeah, sure, you can with us. And so they she wanted she she she wasn't going to Fort Worth meet them over work, but she got sick and got delayed. She actually made it to New York. And then from New York they went to South America. And but she didn't say there. One of the return trips to belong brought her back. She didn't want to go out on that. Frontier. Way out there. If you want to go back to back to Wyoming, and the range weren't wiling had changed and Bill long or Tom worn was soon be hung for the killing of a kidney Willie nickel. And so shoot what? She was safe. She went back to Wyoming, and and she lived there from then on and so that's what I under. But I think that that she's the one that's in that photograph that famous photograph of Sundance and the woman. That's that's ambassador. I in that photo. There was the person that did a foreign analysis like doctor mccalla did for my for me. And he concluded the other the same person. Well, it sure looks like looks like a pretty strong resemblance. So tell me this how how is this story go over and the rest of your family the daughters. You know that you told they had different versions of of how Bill long died did they and other members of your family? Are they convinced that the Sundance? Yeah. Yeah. They all we all knew that. He was not law as much guys. Matter of fact, I got a lot of information from from my relatives. I have a lot of them. They're big family. And they they they're they're they are all pretty well convinced that they said that they. I've got it figured out. So well, Jerry nickel. I'll tell you. You you done a lot of good work in this. It's a really interesting book bringing Sundance home. I'm glad to have my own copy of it. And I appreciate you being here and good luck. I wish you good luck. And maybe we've got some maybe you got some listeners who are going to send you some leads. We'll have contact information on the website. So that anybody listening who might have some insight into this can send it along. Thanks for being here. Okay. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it. All righty and Marshall Tucker is going to take us into the end of the break with a song. That sounds like a lonesome cowboy Cal polka Mosey and along the visit the schoolmarm it's called desert skies in a moment. We'll talk with Chet and Kim bracket about one of the most famous Bank robberies of the old west the win amok robbery that we've been hearing about tonight, they have a whole different.

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

WCBM 680 AM

03:43 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"When he the centers records of nineteen hundred centers soccer. He wasn't home. Well, and we were we was that in nineteen hundred he was on the census Becker, but it was all around vernal. And that's where Butch Cassidy was. I think that's where he met up with Butch Cassidy. And then they. They robbed the winning Muko Bank. I think in went to the Browns park, and then Bassett joined them, and she was the first editor by the different story. But anyway that every time they everything matched. And that's why we're so confident that that he was the Sundance kid got the time line was a hundred percent MAC. I couldn't we couldn't find any discrepancies at all. Well, if you if you are right about Bill long, obviously if he was the Sundance kid, and he was in South America. He obviously did not die there because he was back and he died in in Utah. Right. All right. So tell me the circumstances of his death. Well, it was a nineteen thirty six and he he was they were poor they lost. It was great depression. He lost everything on the Bank failed. Any liberties oldest daughter viola during winters guys, I couldn't take care of themselves had really add arthritis. He called lumbago or something and. When we did that one doctor mccalla, the DNA analysis forensic examination. You could see you could see where his hips he had suffered a great deal of pain. He just couldn't he couldn't hardly walk. Well when the. That in winter of nineteen thirty six viola his daughter's husband lost his job. And and they she said, you know, you just can't live with us. I we don't we can't even by cold for the furnace and they lived in Salt Lake City. So he he he said we'll just take care of that was his wife. And I'll I'll stay here and take care of myself. And he said, no, we can't even do that. Well, he walked in the bedroom. Got a twenty two pistol walked out on the front porch down to shot and killed himself. Right there ball. They were all there at one burgers that do purchase his death. That's unveil its version. So she didn't she bring herself the rest of her life that poor lady suffered, and she she always said that, you know, she she she thought it was her fault that that he committed suicide now was in November nineteen thirty six, but the other version of the story is a little bit more exotic right? And that's the other daughter they had two daughters and the other second daughter was. Venda? Any vendor said that her son found him out in the in the Krell had a gun Robert side of him a rifle beside him and the ripe and somebody shot him in the head. And so the rival there and she said, Well, I I was wondering I'm wondering was another one of the wild bunch and he lived over not far away. They knew him, and they he said, well, my work guilty and the reason that killings because Matt waters come out with a book right about that time and tell all book about Yemen Butch and all these vile bunching and their escapade. Well, I think he went over to see Bill long and told him that he was going to identify him and Bill, and he didn't want that Bill along did not want would not want that at all. So they got into some type of argument and he killed him right there at the krill. And that's. Vendor's burgeon now, I don't know. I just kind of exotic Bergen, but it's possible..

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12:04 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

"Jerry nickel. There's a very famous photo of the wild bunch five members of the wild bunch taken in Fort Worth Butch and Sundance among them kid curry. Ben kilpatrick. So, you know, a lot of the audience would be familiar with the the the appearance of the person we know as the Sundance kid, I I saw the photos that you post in the book of your great grandfather. And although there's a time diff- differential. I mean there is a resemblance. That's for sure. What did you do to sorta analyze whether the photos matchup? Well, I I had a lot of the circumstantial evidence done. And then what's the? One of the people I was working with we could we should do the DNA and get the university of Utah that Dr McCall involved because you've got a heck of a story here. So we got a we had the sources genomics out of a Salt Lake City said they had a man there do the DNA and he had econ mid. It's got us in contact with Dr McAuliffe from the university of Utah. And we they exhumed the bones and did the DNA sample. And then he was also a facial recognition expert. They've been a trial. And he you know, we've been. Convicted a few people because the comparing different facial. Between two photograph. And so he did the photographs and he says this is this. This is the same photograph is in that in that Fort Worth five photo, your grandpa, your photo of your grandpa and the photo of the person in that Sunday in that photo artist say man, there's no question about that. And and he said it was ninety nine percent. Sure. But the time I thought that my grandpa named alias was Bill along in fact, he just used the alias Terry long about when he rode with Butch Cassidy. And that's what's kind of suit me off confused, it even further your great grandfather. Named Bill long actually used the alias of Harry long about right? Yeah. When when he was when he served that time and Sundance he served his time under as hurry long about he had to because the newspapers are always said it was long about escape from that train. So those shares corrupt shares that his name was very long about. Of course, he denied it was a, you know, nose day. There's nothing you can do. And then after he escaped or after he got out when he joined up with Bush guys, do they all knew who really was he's allies. Do who really wasn't. I knew that that he and he just use the name Harry long about I think maybe very long about because when when he wrote Bush guy, so he used the alias Harry long about and when he was only was his real name Bill long. Filed right because of those records in the Sundance, Wyoming the name Harry long about so the so the Pinkerton sad that that's the Sundance kid was hurry long about and all it's come down through history is very long about. And the fact it wasn't very long ago. It was just he used that as an alias. He used that name azaleas area long about what about the DNA evidence. I remember, and you re reprint some of the articles in your book, I think it was two thousand nine where this was a big story that the fact that DNA testing was being done. What what what were the results? Well. Yeah. The desert news Salt Lake at three articles. And it was a real lot of interest around Utah. Well, we did the DNA in the. And we had I they obtain a DNA sample that the same type of DNA that Harry long about had it was a relative of long about and he volunteered, and we got a sample DNA. So when we took belongs DNA in compared to what Harry long about it didn't match, and then we couldn't do why what the DNA doesn't MAC we. We know he adding we know we had the Sundance kid. We'd no we had the same guy in that photograph, but the DNA didn't match, and but I didn't know then I didn't I I was getting a little head of myself. I didn't realize then what happened up in that. Switch up and. And you know in Sundance about to escape and how we use the different names. I didn't realize that well with more research and number two team of us actually three or four one guy was was little head and the rest of us. And he said, well, this is what happened you just go right there look at what did he jump from that train the Harry long about didn't. And then your guy Bill longest was arrested for as Harry long about use that name when he when he was a criminal one is criminal life, Egypt used that alias Terry long about well, why why wouldn't it also makes sense that Harry long about was the guy in prison that the reason the DNA you tested didn't match up with William long is because it was from the long about family and not the long family. There was two separate families. I mean that that could also explain it, right? Yeah. Well, they are there to several families the long family and the long about found me are not the same. They're not even close to the German ones, the ones a French Creole and. We did get a sample. We and the DA did match long about family, and we could see what's this? I mean, the long family, the we we could see the did match. But it just took more research. I had we had to go back those records in Sundance Wyoming and determined to see what would happen when they when they mix everything up there in the there's never got it. And I just come down through history as as hurry long ago, so Spurs you can tell though you you've got this time line where your great grandfather. Bill long is the Sundance kid, and and what you know about Bill longs. Life matches up the times that he is gone from your family life matches up with when it is known that Sundance was for example, pulling a robbery or was out of the country. Right. Exactly. When the census records in nineteen hundred centers soccer. He wasn't home where we was that in one thousand nine hundred dollars. He was on her, but he was over around vernal. And that's where Butch Cassidy was. I think that for Bush guys they met up with Butch Cassidy. And then they they they robbed the winning knuckle Bank. I think and went to Browns park, and then Bassett joined them, and she was the first at night different story. But anyway that every time they everything matched. And that's why we're so confident that that he was the Sundance kid got the time line was one hundred percent max, I couldn't we couldn't find any discrepancies at all. Well, if you if you are right about Bill long, obviously if he wasn't Sundance kid, and he was in South America. He obviously did not die there because he was back and he died in in Utah. Right. All right. So tell me the circumstances of his death. Well, it was a nineteen thirty six and he he was they were poor deadlocked. It was great depression. He'd lost everything on the Bank failed many liberties oldest daughter viola during winters because I couldn't take care of themselves. He had really add arthritis. He called lumbago or something. And when we did the one doctor mccalla did the DNA analysis forensic examination. You could see you could see the where his hips he had suffered a great deal of pain. He just couldn't he couldn't hardly walk. Well when the. In that winter of nineteen thirty six viola has orange daughter's husband lost his job. And and they she said, you know, you just can't live with us. We don't we can't even by coal for the furnace and they lived in Salt Lake City. So he he he said, we'll just take care of that was his wife, and I'll I'll stay here and take care of myself. And he she said, no, we can't even do that. Well, he walked in the bedroom. Got a twenty two pistol walked out on sports and put the gun to shot and killed himself. Right there wall. They were all there at one duper shits death at some violas version. So she didn't she blamed herself the rest of her at poor lady suffered, and she she always said, you know, she she she thought it was her fault. That will that he committed suicide now was in November nineteen thirty six, but the other version of the story is a little bit more exotic right? And that the other daughter they had two daughters and the other the second daughter was the Venda. Any vendor said that her son found him out in the in the corral had a gun Robert side of him with a rifle beside him and the right and then somebody shot him in the head and throw the rival there. And she said, well, I was wondering I'm wondering was another one of the wild bunch and he lived over not far away. They he knew him, and they he said, well, my work yielding and the reason that killing because marijuana is gonna come out with a book right about that time and tell all book about Yemen Butch and all these vile bunch and their escapades. Well, I think he went over to see Bill long and told him that he was going to identify him and Bill, and he didn't want that Bill along did not want would not want that at all. So they got into some type of an argument and he killed him right there at the corral. And that's that was the vendors burgeon. Now, I don't know. I just kind of exotic version, but it's possible because he did they did know Matt Warner and he didn't like Matt Warner. What is the take else? So at a minimum he was a wild bunch guy. There's no question he knew all these guys in the new things that they had done and jobs. They had pulled. That's at a minimum. Right. Did is there any indication that Butch Cassidy ever hooked back up with him? Well, they visited Dave. Yes. They did they visited. In nineteen. Let's see nineteen. Got you went to visit his parents and circle Ville Utah. Right. And then he he went to see my grandparents who had actually lived in. What was left of the old homestead over Wayne County and visit with my grandparents, and then he went over to to price Utah now price is where Matt word he had a lunar price. So he went over to to did that saloon because you know, he Matt water and then Bush got robbed the telluride bankers four. So he was they were they were France. So they went to the the saloon and pricing. Matt winter saloon it in Santa Monica. The Bill on somebody wanted to seem. So he went to the mat Warner saloon, and there was much Cassidy, and they they. They visited and who knows what they said. But then how do you know that part of the story? Well, it's in Butch inch. And Matt warriors book talked about it. There's a place in Matt Warner's book that says that there was a stranger that came to visit him in that saloon, and they say well that was Butch Cassidy. Well, I belong also was there got came to that him there because he lived he lived in bright it live far way. He was in price when that happened. And so I think and that's my conclusion about an I heard the family stories that that he went.

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11:50 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

"Butch Cassidy and Sundance kid. There's a scene where they go to Bolivia. And they have an argument about why they're down there on whether it was a good idea or not and Sundance kid reveals that his name is elsewhere in the movie that his real name is Harry long ago and that he was born in. I think he says in the movie Atlantic City in reality. The Real IRA long about was born I think Pennsylvania's close to Atlantic City, but there are various stories about these guys have different identities. They muddied the waters on purpose. So trying to track down the facts is pretty tough. Jerry nickel has done a heck of a job of it though. His new book his book is called bringing Sundance home Butch Cassidy's partner. My great grandfather the product of eight years of painstaking work, Jerry, welcome to the program. Thank you very much play. You're being on your with you. Well, I you know, I was prepared to think. Well, gosh, she can't be right. This is wishful thinking on his part to say that his great grandfather was Sundance kid, but you did a heck of a job in this book there. There's a lot of evidence in here. Must have been fun from critics. I I knew I had to what I started to make an argument that he was the Sundance kid I had to get all the documentation. I couldn't make an presented wild reasonable doubt. So I did a lot of research took a lot of time. And I did ask some other people to help me and and. Now that was the result. Is that book she share with me the story? How young were you? When you first started hearing little inklings that there was an outlaw on the family tree. Well, I I think. I just heard it. They would talk about him around the family gatherings and. My uncles. And my mother my mother's side of the family, and they would just talk about him. A lot of good shoddy wasn't I knew he rode with Butch Cassidy. And and they tell us stories about some of the things he did. And he was married to my great grandmother is a warning. When he went south rookie was married to earn money. Come back come back to her. But they they didn't know they didn't know that. He was the Sundance kid they, but they didn't know that he wrote his Butch Cassidy they knew that they knew that he was one of the gang and he wrote with them. And so so you grow up here in so you grow up here in the story. All right. We've got an at one of our ancestors are great grandfather was an outlaw who rode with Butch Cassidy. But nobody says he's the Sundance kid you take that on yourself starting win. Well, one I I heard all these stories all my life. And then I was. I was with some of the Butch Cassidy books by my my my uncles and grandfather new Charles Kelley who who wrote the first book the outlaw trail, right? And so I read all these books, and I saw the I saw when I wreck it look pitcher the Fort Worth five. I'm not your. Wow. That's just not is. That's milwaukee. My great grandfather. So when I saw that we're studying. You know, maybe there's a connection there. Maybe that is my grandfather right there, and he just he was using the name. Hurry long about I thought then that he didn't want. Then I thought he he was Harry long when he married my into my family. He used Avis Bill long. That was just the other way around. He all right. Well, let's walk us through that. Where did you where did you start looking for information? And how did you track it down? What's what's the evidence? Why put up a website? And I I didn't know, you know, I didn't have a lot of the information. I I put up a website. And what the my arguments saying, I think this is the Sundance kid, and I got a lot of people. The contacted me a lot of other researchers a lot of the descendants of other other outlaws knew him, and they and then I had people contacted me and told me work to where to get information. They direct me to different newspaper articles old newspaper articles that ended the Pinkerton file they I got the picture and files from the library of congress. And I just I started putting a time line together. And what I knew what from all. Documents. I can find him from my family from the Pinkerton records do the newspaper articles. And then of course, I got involved with the university of Utah. Doctor mccalla got involved in. Well, yeah, we'll get into that. Let's start with your great grandfather. William Henry long who is he where was he born? Where's he from? And and how did he become an outlaw? What have you learned? Well, I learned that he was born in yellow annoy. His family when he was young man moved to Washington state county. Would you write down on the corner? Excuse me. And he he stayed home. He didn't get along too. Well with his dad, I don't think we got you left, home and. And he wanted to be Kabul was a cowboy he wasn't not educated. And then that was in those days, you could ride a horse and yet you can handle cattle. You could get a job as a cowboy. So he left he left what I think he's about nineteen twenty and he went to Montana over to around mile city 'cause that was the the the primary area of the cattle industry was mild city round mile city or big radius had the railroad went through miles city. And they they just loaded up the cattle right on the on the railroad garden shift to meet the market. So you get these Cowboys you always get a job around around mild city, and he went to work for and bar in the Big Apple company and Bahrein handle company and very long, our not very man, Harry long vowels if that same cattle country, I'm so William Henry long. Meets Harry, long abou- they cross paths, and it's the beginning of a lifetime of confusion over who's who. Right. Yeah. So then what happened was? Winter came and. Harry long about one down to Sundance, Wyoming and he stole the horse. And then he went to back to miles city Montana and the sheriff for miles city Montana picked him up for this or that. And so and then there was this year from Sundance Wyoming one not to pick the Getty, and he took by railroad train to Minneapolis. And I don't know why he went to Minneapolis that are going straight back cross to Sundance, but he went to Minneapolis, and he escaped from the trade and he went north along the Canadian border. The be went to. Calgary someplace, I can't remember the name of this little town. And that's where he remained, but there was a two hundred fifty dollar reward. So they arrested another cowboy the collect that reward. And then this cowboy they arrested what Bill long, and so they arrested him and said that he was escaped Harry long about these. They were the two sheriffs. They weren't who they wanted to get this do one hundred fifty dollars reward and their plight for three times what they county commission and they were denied. And finally, they just said, no, we're not gonna give you the money. And I think so so let's back up for a second. So Harry long about is the guy who steals the horse, right? William long as the guy who gets arrested for it after Harry, long Abell escape escapes or we along as the guy who escaped Harry, long balls a guy that escaped. William long your great grandfather gets arrested right today. But they wanted to Cowboys that they get turned in and collect that reward. So they arrested my great grandpa and. The Kim back Sundance, and they had a cry only was found guilty. And and he went to prison for eighteen months. So that's what and they they name they use for him was very long about. Because the newspapers reported that Harry long about was the one that escape from that train. But description of some we know the Harry long German like like, the German, but demand may put in that jail was French Creole. Now is Bill long. He had French and Cherokee blood, you need, look like a French Creole. Was there any indication that you've got where he's gonna wear your great grandfather. William long is saying, hey, I'm not Harry long abou-. I'm Bill long. Right. But they wouldn't listen to him. Except I think he eventually when that that they had the new prosecutor had another election and not new prosecutor let him out a completely exonerated demon. And one that three or the two sheriff tried to collect that reward. They wouldn't give it to him. Because I think they knew that they had wrested the long guy, and they had tried to fraudulently collect this reward money. And they do they were denied. So what is your what's your take on it because your great grandfather was wrongly imprisoned convicted a crime did time for it that it led him down the path to a life of of crime? Well, I think it was a little bit of a shady guy anyway because he had a brother he had a brother run in the family. He had a brother who was arrested for stealing over Washington state. And he turned Easter time Walla Walla. So in the family. So I think it was I I think it was his nature. Really? He he even though he was convicted railroad for this crime. He didn't commit he was still kind of a shady guy. And at least his family was I expected he was too. So you heard the stories about his prowess with with guns and firearms things of that sort. What a great shot he was that would certainly fit the picture of the guy. We know who became the Sundance kid, right? Yeah. Tell me what you learn about your great grandfather and his ability with guns, and and what and his career as an outlaw. Well, he. He could. He could with a pistol. By the guy would get into the chicken coop. And they fly away. He could shoot them out of the air. He was really good at it. And he could shoot rabbits were on the run. And he could flip these people got flipped coins in the air. And he could he could shoot him out there with a rifle. I don't think he could do the fiscal must've been a rifle. But he he he said he had practiced. He could fill a room with the boss the practice so much was shooting that and he was just a guy that loves Ghanzi liked to shoot all the time. And he was of course, you ever worry lived in Utah. Wayne County was that was.

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11:50 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"Butch Cassidy and Sundance kid. There's a scene where they go to Bolivia. And they have an argument about why they're down there on whether it was a good idea or not and Sundance kid reveals that his name is elsewhere in the movie that his real name is Harry long ago and that he was born in. I think he says in the movie Atlantic City in reality. The real Harry long about was born I think in Pennsylvania's close to Atlantic City, but. There are various stories about these guys have different identities. They muddied the waters on purpose. So trying to track down the facts is pretty tough. Jerry nickel has done a heck of a job of it though. His new book his book is called bringing Sundance home which Cassidy's partner. My great grandfather the product of eight years of painstaking work, Jerry, welcome to the program. Thank you very much play. You're being on your with you. Well, I you know, I was prepared to think. Well, gosh, he he can't be right. This is wishful thinking on his part to say that his great grandfather was Sundance kid, but you did a heck of a job in this Booker. There's a lot of evidence in here. Must have been fun from critics. So I I knew I had to when I started, you know, to make an argument that he was the Sundance kid I had to get all the documentation. I couldn't and make an present it, you know. I hope reasonable doubt. So I did a lot of research a lot of time. And and I did ask some other people to help me and and nine that was the result. Is that book shares a share with me, the story young were you when you first started hearing little inklings that there was an outlaw on the family tree. Well, I I think I just heard that they would talk about him around the family gatherings and. My uncle, and my mother, my mother's side of the family and. They would just talk about him a lot. They said what a good shoddy wasn't. I knew he rode with Butch Cassidy. And and they tell us stories about some of the things he did. And he was married to my great grandmother is one when he went south murky was married to earn money. Come back come back to her. But they they didn't know they didn't know that. He was the Sundance kid they, but they didn't know that he wrote the Butch Cassidy they knew that they knew that he was one of the gang and he rode with them. And so. So you grow up here in so you grow up here in the story. All right. We've got an one of our ancestors are great grandfather was an outlaw who rode with Butch Cassidy. But nobody says he's the Sundance kid you take that on yourself starting win. Well, one I I heard all these stories all my life. And then and I was with some of the guys Cassidy books by my my my uncles and grandfather new Charles Kelley who wrote the first book yellow trail, right? And so I read all these books, and I saw the I saw when I look at that picture of the Fort Worth five. I'm not sure. Wow. That's is that is that's Milwaukee. My great grandfather. So when I saw that I saw earlier, but when I finally said, you know, maybe there's a connection there. Maybe that is my grandfather right there, and he just he was using the name very long about I thought then that he was. Then I thought he he was Harry when he married my into my family. He used the APIs Bill along that it was just the other way around you. All right. Well, let's walk us through that. Where did you start looking for information? And how did you track it down? What's what's the evidence? Why put up a website? And I I didn't know I didn't have a lot of information. I I put up a website. And what the my arguments saying, I think this is sometimes kid, and I got a lot of people that contacted me a lot of other researchers a lot of the descendants of other other al-awsat knew him, and they and then I had people contacted me and told me work to or to get information. They directed me to different newspaper articles old newspaper articles that ended the Pinkerton filed. They I got the file from the library of congress. And I just I started putting line together. And what I knew from all. Documents. I could find from my family from the the Pinkerton records do the newspaper articles. And and then of course, I got involved with the university of Utah. Doctor mccalla got involved in. Well, yeah, we'll get into that. Let's start with your great grandfather. William Henry long who is he where was he born? Where's he from? And and how did he become an outlaw? What have you learned? Well, I learned that he was born in the L annoy and his family when he was young man moved to Washington state county, which you right down on the corner. Andy, excuse me. And he he stayed home. You didn't get along too. Well with these dad, I don't think because he left home and. And he wanted to be a cowboy he was a cowboy he wasn't educated. And that networks in those days, you could ride a horse and yet you can handle cattle. You could get a job as a cowboy. So he left he left Washington statement why I think he was about nineteen twenty and he went to Montana over to around mile city because that was the the the the primary area of the cattle industry was mild city round mile city or big radius had the railroad went through miles city. And they they just loaded up the cattle right on the on the railroad garden shifted meets to the market. So we get these Cowboys always get a job around around miles city, and he went to work for and bar in the Big Apple company and Bahrein handle company and very long Bauer. Not very, man. Harry long vowels if that same gala country, I'm so William Henry long. Meets Harry, long abou-, they cross paths. And that's the beginning of a lot a lifetime of confusion over who. Right. Yeah. It does. So then what happened was? Winter came and. Harry long about one down to some bass, Wyoming, and he stole the horse. And then he went to backed up miles city Montana and sheriff for miles city Montana picked him up for this that. And then there were the sheriff from some dads, Wyoming one not to pick the Getty, and he stuck by railroad train to Minneapolis. And I don't know why he went to Minneapolis set are going straight back across to Sundance, but he went to Minneapolis and the escape from the trade, and he went north along the Canadian border, the be went to Iran Calgary someplace a camera. Name is little town match where he remained, but there was the two hundred and fifty dollar reward. That was spoken. So they arrested another cowboy the collect that reward. And then this cowboy they arrested what m- along, and so they arrested him and said that he was escaped Harry long about these. They were the two sheriffs. They weren't who's they wanted to get this do one hundred fifty dollars reward, and they apply for three times what they county commission and they were denied. And finally just said, no, I got not gonna give you the money. I think so so this backup per second. So Harry long about is the guy who steals the horse, right? William long as the guy who gets arrested for it after Harry, long bell escape escapes or we along as the guy who escaped. Yeah. Harry long balls the guy that escaped. William long your great grandfather gets arrested. Right. They but they wanted to Cowboys that they turn in collect that reward. So they erected my great grandpa and. The Kim back Sundance, and they had a trial. He was found guilty. And and he went to prison for eighteen months. That's what they name they use for him. What very long about that? You got the newspapers reported that Harry long about was the one scape from that train. But the description of sentence, we know the Harry long German liked him like the German, but demand may put in that jail was French Creole now is Bill long, French and Cherokee blood, you need, look, like a French Friel was Randy. Education that you got where he's gonna wear your great grandfather William long is saying, hey, I'm not Harry long about I'm Bill long. Right. But they wouldn't listen to him. Except I think eventually when that that they had the new prosecutor had another election and the not new prosecutor letting out a completely exonerated demon. And one that three or the two sheriff tried to collect that reward. They wouldn't give it to him. Because I think they knew that they had rented the long guy, and they tried to fraudulently collecting this reward money, and they do they were denied. So what is your what's your take on it because your great grandfather was wrongly imprisoned convicted of crime did time for it that it led him down the path to a life of of crime. Well, I think he was a little bit of a shady guy anyway because he had a brother he had a brother run in the family. He had a brother who was arrested for stealing over Washington. State and eastern Easter diamond Walla Walla. So in the family. So I think it was I I think it was his nature. Really? He he even though he was convicted railroad for this crime. He didn't commit he was still kind of shady guy and Lisa's family. Wasn't I expected? He was too. So you you had heard the stories about his prowess with the with guns and firearms things of that sort. What a great shot he was that would certainly fit the picture of the guy. We know who became the Sundance kid, right? Yeah. Tell me what you learned about your great grandfather and his ability with guns and what and his career as an outlaw. Well, he. He could he could with a pistol. The guy would get into the chicken coop. And they fly away. He could shoot him out of the air. He was really good at it. And he could shoot rabbits on the run. And he could flip these people could flip coins in the air. And he could he could shoot him out of there with a rifle. I don't think he could do the fiscal must've been a rifle. But he he he said he his breakfast. He could fill a room with the board. The practice so much with shooting that and he would just a guy that loves dodgy likes to shoot all the time. And he was a. Lived in Utah. Wayne County was that was.

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"Movie Butch Kassian Sundance kid there's a scene where they go to Bolivia. And they have an argument about why they're down there on whether it was a good idea or not and Sundance kid reveals that his name is elsewhere in the movie that his real name is Harry long ago and that he was born in. I think he says in the movie Atlantic City in reality, the real. Harry long about was born. I think in Pennsylvania so close to Atlantic City, but there are various stories about these guys have different identities. They muddy the waters on purpose. So trying to track down the facts is pretty tough. Jerry nickel has done a heck of a job of it though. His new book his book is called bringing Sundance home which Cassidy's partner, my great-grandfather the product of eight years of painstaking work, Jerry, welcome to the program. Thank you very much the play you're being on your with you. Well. You know, I was prepared to think. Well, gosh, she he can't be right. This is wishful thinking on his part to say that his great grandfather was Sundance kid, but you did a heck of a job in this Booker. There's a lot of evidence in here. Must have been fun. From critic. So I I knew I had to when I started to make an argument that he was the Sundance kid I had to get all the documentation. I couldn't make an presented wild reasonable doubt. So I did a lot of research took a lot of time. And and I did some other people to help me and and. Now that was the result. Is that book she as a share with me the story? How young were you? When you first started hearing little inklings that there was an outlaw on the family tree. Well, I think I just heard that they would talk about him around the family gatherings, and my uncles, and my mother my mother's side of the family and. They would just talk about him. A lot of good shoddy wasn't I knew we rode with Butch Cassidy. And and they tell us stories about some of the things he did. And of course, he was married to my great grandmother is a warning. When he went south murky was married to earn money. Come back you come back to her. But. They they didn't know they didn't know that. He was the Sundance kid they, but they didn't know that he wrote his Butch Cassidy they knew that they knew that he was one of the gang and he rode with them. And so will you grow up here? So you grow up here in the story. All right. We've got an one of our ancestors are great grandfather was an outlaw who rode with Butch Cassidy. But nobody says he's the Sundance kid you take that on yourself starting win. Well, one I heard all these stories all my life. And then and I was familiar with some of the guys do books by my my my uncles and grandfather new Charles Kelley who who wrote the first book off trail, right? And so I read all these books and I saw the. I thought that when I wreck it look at that picture of the Fort Worth five. I'm not sure. Wow. That is that's Milwaukee. My great grandfather. So when I saw that I saw I. You know, maybe there's a connection or maybe that is my grandfather right there, and he just he was using the name very long about I thought then that he didn't want. Then I thought he he was Harry when he married my into my family. He used the Avis Bill long. But it was just the other way around you. All right. Well, let's walk us through that. Where did you where did you start looking for information? And how did you track it down? What's what's the evidence? Why put up a website? And I I didn't know I didn't have a lot of information on I put up a website. And what the my arguments saying, I think this is the Sundance kid, and I got a lot of people contacted me a lot of other researchers a lot of the descendants of other other outlaws knew him, and they and then I had people contact me and told me work to where to get information. They directed me to different newspaper articles old newspaper articles that and to the Pinkerton files. They I got the and file from the library of congress. And I just I started putting a time line together. What I knew from all documents get fined for my family from the the Pinkerton records do the newspaper articles. And then of course, I got involved with the university of Utah. Doctor mccalla got involved in. Well, we'll get into that. Let's start with your great grandfather. William Henry long who is he where was he born? Where's he from? And and how did he become an outlaw? What have you learned? Well, I learned that he was born in the L annoy. And his family when he was young man, moved to Washington state Shelton county. Would you write down on the corner? Excuse me. And he he stayed home. It didn't get along too. Well with dad, I don't think because he left home and. And he wanted to be a cowboy he was a cowboy he wasn't not educated in the networks in those days. You could ride a horse and you can handle cattle. You could get a job as a cowboy. So he left he left Washington state where I think is about nineteen twenty and he went to Montana over to around mile city 'cause that was the the primary area of the cattle. Industrial was mild city round mile city in order big radius had the railroad went through miles city. And they they just loaded up the cattle right on the on the railroad cars and shipped meets to the market. So we get these Cowboys you always get a job around around mile city, and he went to work for 'em bar in the Big Apple company and bar cattle company and Mary long Bauer not worry, man. Harry long vowels if that's fame cattle country. I'm so William Henry long meets Harry long abou-, they cross paths. And it's the beginning of a lot lifetime of confusion over who's who. Right. Yeah. It does. So then what happened was? Winter came and. Harry long about one down to Sundance, Wyoming and he stole the horse. And then he went to back to miles city Montana and the sheriff for miles city Montana picked him up for this horse theft. And then there was this sheriff from some somedays, Wyoming one not to pick the Getty, and he took it by railroad train to Minneapolis. I don't know why he went to Minneapolis that are going straight back cross to Sundance, but he went to Minneapolis and he escaped from the train and he went along the Canadian border. The be went to around Calgary someplace, I can't remember the name is little town a natural he remained, but there was the two hundred and fifty dollar reward. That was so they arrested another cowboy the collect that reward. And then this cowboy arrested what Bill along and so they arrested him. And I said that he was escaped Harry long about these. They were the two shares night they weren't because they wanted to get this two hundred fifty dollars reward. And they they applied for three times. What the commission and. They were denied. And finally, they said, no, we're not going to give you the money. And I think so so let's back up per second. So Harry long about is the guy who steals the horse, right? William long as the guy who gets arrested for it after Harry, long, Abell, escape escapes or. We along as the guy who escaped. Yeah. Harry long balls the guy that escaped. William long your great grandfather gets arrested. Right. They but they wanted the Cowboys. Did they get turned in and collect that reward? So they arrested my great grandpa and. Kim back at Sundance, and they had a cry only was found guilty. And and he went to prison for eighteen months. That's what they name they use for him was very long about you. Because the newspapers reported Harry long about was the one scape from that train. But the description of sentence, we know the Harry long hours, the German like him like the German, but demand they put in that jail was a French Creole. Now is Bill long had French and Cherokee blood, you need look like a French grill. Was there any indication that you've got where he's gonna wear your great grandfather. William long is saying, hey, I'm not Harry long abou-. I'm Bill long. Right. But they wouldn't listen to him. Except I think he Benchley when that that they had the new prosecutor had another election and not new prosecutor let him out a completely exonerated demon. And one that three or the two sheriffs tried to collect that reward. They wouldn't give it to him. Because I think they knew that they had wrested the long guy, and they had tried to in fraudulently collect this reward money, and they do they were denied. So what is your what's your take on it because your great grandfather was wrongly imprisoned convicted of crime did time for it that it led him down the path to a life of of crime. Well, I think it was a little bit of a shady guy anyway because he had a brother he had a brother run in the family. He had a brother who was arrested for stealing over Washington state, and he's turned eastern time and Walla Walla. All in the family. So I think it was. I think it was his nature. Really? He he even though he was convicted railroad for this crime. He didn't commit he was still kind of a shady guy and his family was I expected he was too. So you you had heard the stories about his prowess with the with guns and firearms things of that sort. What a great shot he was that would certainly fit the picture of the guy. We know who became the Sundance kid, right? Yeah. Tell me what you learned about your great grandfather and his ability with guns, and and what and his career as an outlaw. Well, he. He could he could was a pistol. By the guy would get into the chicken coop. And they fly away you could shoot them out of the air. He was really good at it. And he could shoot rabbits were on the run and could flip these people could flip coins in the air. And he could he could shoot them out of the air with a rifle. I don't think he could do the pistol must've been a rifle. But he. He said he.

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KGO 810

04:19 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on KGO 810

"And and and now that was the result. Is that book shares share with me story? How young were you? When you first started hearing little inklings that there was an outlaw on the family tree. Well, I I think I just heard that they would talk about him around the family gatherings and. My uncles. And my mother my mother's side of the family, and they would just talk about him. A lot of good shoddy wasn't I knew he rode with Butch Cassidy. And and they tell us stories about some of the things he did. And of course, he was married to my great grandmother is a warning when he went to south murky was married to earn money. Come back come back to her. But they they didn't know they didn't know that. He was the Sundance kid they, but they didn't know that he wrote his Butch Cassidy they knew that they knew that he was one of the gang. He rode with them. And so you grow up here. So you grow up here in the story. All right. We've got an one of our ancestors are great grandfather was an outlaw who rode with Butch Cassidy. But nobody says he's the Sundance kid you take that on yourself starting win. Well, one I heard all these stories all my life and then. And I was familiar with some of the Butch Cassidy books by my my my uncles and grandfather new Charles Kelley who who wrote the first book. Yeah trail, right? And so I read all these books and I saw the. I saw when I wreck it look at that picture of the Fort Worth five. I'm not sure. Wow. That's just not is. That's milwaukee. My great grandfather. So when I saw that one. You know, maybe there's a connection there. Maybe that is my grandfather right there, and he just he was using the name area long about I thought then that he didn't want. Then I thought he he was Harry long when he married my into my family. He used the Avis Bill long that was just the other way around. He all right. Well, let's walk us through that. Where did you where did you start looking for information? And how did you track it down? What's what's the evidence? Why put up a a website? And I I didn't know, you know, I didn't have a lot of information. I I put up a website. And what the my arguments saying, I think this is the Sundance kid, and I got a lot of people that contacted me a lot of other researchers a lot of the descendants of other other Alison knew him, and they and then I had people contact me and told me work to or to get information. They direct me to different newspaper articles old newspaper articles that ended the Pinkerton file they I got the picture and file from the library of congress. And I just started putting a time line together. And what I knew from all. Documents. I could find from my family from the the Pinkerton records do the newspaper articles. And and then of course, I got involved with the university of Utah. Doctor mccalla got involved in. Well, yeah, we'll get into that. Let's start with your great grandfather. William Henry long who is he where was he born? Where's he from? And and how did he become an outlaw? What have you learned? Well, I learned that he was born in the Illinois. And his family when he was young man, moved to Washington state county what you right down on the corner. Excuse me. And he he stayed home. You didn't get along too. Well with these dad, I don't think we got you left, home and. And he wanted to be a cowboy he was a cowboy he wasn't not educated. And that was in those days, you could ride a horse and yet you can handle battle. You could get a job as a cowboy. So he left he left. What you statement? Why I think he's about nineteen twenty and he.

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"doctor mccalla" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

WCBM 680 AM

04:24 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"And and now that was the result. Is that book she has a share with me the story? How young were you? When you first started hearing little inklings that there was an outlaw on the family tree. Well, I I think I just heard that they would talk about him around the family gatherings and my uncles. And my mother my mother's side of the family, and they would just talk about him a lot. They said what a good shoddy wasn't. I knew we rode with Butch Cassidy. And and they tell us stories about some of the things he did. And of course, he was married to my great grandmother is a warning when he went to south murky was married to earn money. Come back. He come back to her. But they they didn't know they didn't know that. He was the Sundance kid they, but they didn't know that he wrote his Butch Cassidy they knew that they knew that he was one of the gang and he wrote with them. And so so you grow up hearing. So you grow up here in the story. All right. We've got an one of our ancestors are great grandfather was an outlaw who rode with Butch Cassidy. But. Nobody says he's the Sundance kid you take that on yourself starting win. Well, one I I heard all these stories all my life. And then and I was with some of the Butch Cassidy books by my my my uncles and grandfather new Charles Kelley who who wrote the first book trail, right? And so I read all these books, and I saw the I saw when I wreck it look at that picture the Fort Worth five. I'm not your. Wow, that's not is. That's milwaukee. My great grandfather. So when I saw that we're studying I saw earlier. But when I finally, so you know, maybe there's a connection there. Maybe that is my grandfather right there, and he's just he was using the name Harry long about I thought then that he was then then I thought he he was Harry when he married my into my family. He used the Bill along that it was just the other way around you. All right. Well, let's walk us through that. Where did you where did you start looking for information? And how did you track it down? What's what's the evidence? Why put up a website? And I I didn't know, you know, I didn't have a lot of information. I I put up a website. And what the my arguments saying, I think this is the Sundance kid, and I got a lot of people contacted me a lot of other researchers a lot of the sentence of other Allison's knew him, and they and then I had people contacted me and told me work to or to get information. They direct me to different newspaper articles old newspaper articles that ended the Pinkerton filed. A I got the and file from the library of congress. And I just I started putting a time line together. And what I knew what from all documents. I could find from my family from the the Pinkerton records do the newspaper articles. And and then of course, I got involved with the university of Utah. Doctor mccalla got involved in. Well, yeah, we'll get into that. Let's start with your great grandfather. William Henry long who is he where was he born? Where's he from? And and how did you become an outlaw? What have you learned? Well, I learned that he he was born in yellow annoy. Any family when he was young man moved to Washington state county, which you right down on the corner. Andy, excuse me. And he he stayed home. You didn't get along too. Well with these dad, I don't think he got he left home. And. He wanted to be a cowboy he was a cowboy he wasn't not educated in in those days, you could ride a horse and yet you can handle cattle. You could get a job as a cowboy. So he left he left Washington state. I think is about nineteen twenty and he went to Montana over to around mile city 'cause that was the..

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Newsradio 970 WFLA

05:48 min | 2 years ago

"doctor mccalla" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

"Area traffic on demand at WFL. A news dot com. Movie Butch Cassidy and Sundance kid. There's a scene where they go to Bolivia. And they have an argument about why they're down there on whether it was a good idea or not and Sundance kid reveals that his name is elsewhere in the movie that his real name is Harry long ago and that he was born in. I think he says in the movie Atlantic City in reality, the real. Harry long Obama was born I think it'd Pennsylvania's or close to Atlantic City, but there are various stories about these guys have different identities. They muddied the waters on purpose. So trying to track down the facts is pretty tough. Jerry nickel has done a heck of a job of it though. His new book his book is called bringing Sundance home which Cassidy's partner, my great-grandfather the product of eight years of painstaking work, Jerry, welcome to the program. Thank you very much play. You're being on your with you. Well, I you know, I was prepared to think. Well, gosh, he can't be right. This is wishful thinking on his part to say that his great grandfather was Sundance kid, but you did a heck of a job in this Booker. There's a lot of evidence in here. Must've been fun from critics. So I I knew I had to when I started to make an argument that he was Sundance kid I had to get all the documentation. I couldn't make an presented wildly reasonable doubt. So I did a lot of research took a lot of time. And and I did as other people to help me. And and now that was the result. Is that book she share with me the story? How young were you? When you first started hearing little inklings that there was an outlaw on the family tree. Well, I I think I just heard that they would talk about him around the family gatherings and. My uncles, and my mother my mother's side of the family and. They would just talk about him a lot. They said what a good shoddy wasn't. I knew he rode with Butch Cassidy. And and they tell us stories about some of the things he did. And of course, he was married to my great grandmother. Warning when he was married to earn money come back he'd come back to her. But they they didn't know they didn't know that. He was the Sundance kid they, but they didn't know that he wrote with Butch Cassidy, they knew that they knew that he was one of the gang. He wrote with them. And so so you grow up here in so you grow up here in the story. All right. We've got an at one of our ancestors are great grandfather was an outlaw who rode with Butch Cassidy. But nobody says he's the Sundance kid you take that on yourself starting win. Well, one I I heard all these stories all my life. And then and I was with some of the Butch Cassidy books by my my my uncles and grandfather new Charles Kelley who who wrote the first book the outlaw trail, right? And so I read all these books, and I saw the I saw when I look at that picture of the Fort Worth five. I'm not your wow. That's just not is. That's milwaukee. My great grandfather. So when I saw that. I saw earlier. But when I finally said, you know, maybe there's a connection there. Maybe that is my grandfather right there, and he just he was using the name. Hurry long about I thought then that he was then then I thought he he was when he married my into my family. He used the Bill along that was just the other way around. He all right. Well, let's walk us through that. Where did you where did you start looking for information? And how did you track it down? What's what's the evidence? Why put up a website? And I didn't know, you know, I didn't have a lot of information. I I put up a website. And what the my arguments saying, I think this is the Sundance kid, and I got a lot of people. The contacted me a lot of other researchers a lot of the descendants of other other outlaws knew him, and they and then I had people contact me and told me work to or to get information. They direct me to different newspaper articles old newspaper articles that ended the Pinkerton filed. They I got the picture and files from the library of congress. And I just started putting a time line together. What I knew from all documents. I could find for my family from the the Pinkerton records do the newspaper articles. And then of course, I got involved with the university of Utah. Doctor mccalla got involved in. Well, yeah, we'll get into that. Let's start with your great grandfather. William Henry long who is he where was he born? Where's he from? And and how did he become an outlaw? Would it be learned? Well, I learned that he was born in Illinois. And his family when he was young man, moved to Washington state Sullivan county, which you right down on the corner. Excuse me. And he he stayed home. You didn't get along too. Well with these dad, I don't think because he left home and. And he wanted to be a cowboy he was.

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