20 Episode results for "Dino"
The Dino De Laurentiis Million Dollar Giveaway
"It's the mid to late. Nineteen eighties and dino de laurente issues a cooper people standing in the line. He thinks they're waiting to see a movie. It's a natural offer deal rented rented after all. He's a movie producer. Who at this point has been in the industry for over forty years but things aren't going well for dealer renta's in the mid to late nineteen eighty s a guy who's always been able to raise funds for his features. He decided to start a studio. The dealer rentis entertainment. He started with two hundred forty million dollars. In investments investments in nineteen eighty four it was enough to get a studio built and start production on a number of features by nineteen eighty six the dealer. Renta's entertainment group started rolling out the movie after movie. They release twelve movies that year all of them. All twelve were a bust at the box office. Dino was needing a hit. The line of people waiting to see a movie turns out. That's actually a line of people waiting to buy lottery tickets when a friend points this out dealer renta's gets an idea an idea. That's completely ridiculous and just crazy enough to well to not work. My name is dan delgado and in this episode so we're taking a look at dealer rentis and his million dollar mystery welcome to the industry when it comes to dino de la renta's. There's no shortage of stories to tell so here's a quick rundown on some of them started producing movies at the age of twenty one in his native italy and kept on producing them for the next sixty five years he wouldn't let george lucas have the rights to flash gordon causing lucas to make up his own space epic when he finally decided to get around to using those flash gordon writes he cast sam jones as the lead character character after seeing him on the dating game. He turned down meryl streep for his remake of king kong because she was too ugly. After jaws was a huge hit in nineteen eighteen seventy five a movie he did not produce he decided to produce this two years later and unison creature is destroyed by an act of human cruelty not and the ultimate battle of man against nature begins renta's presents orca after a string of high price failures in the late nineteen seventies he earned the nickname dino de horrendous reduced to of federico fellini's classics estrada brought in nights of area as well as roberto cellini and ingmar bergman nine hundred sixty s he gave a couple of can't be comic book adaptations danger diabolic bollock and barbarella the nineteen seventies he made death wish serpico and three days of the condor he produced every movie to feature hannibal lecter except for silence of the lambs in addition to the studio he builds with was in north carolina. He also built three others one in morocco one in australia and one just outside of rome when he died in two thousand ten at the age of ninety one he still had four movies stuck in various stages of development. Those are just some of the highlights but what was he really like. What was it like to work with dino dealer renta's my name is gino. Yes honey rubber tino. The anzani worked for the dealer renta's entertainment group as a chef at their wilmington north carolina studio in the mid nineteen eighties. I asked over tino how he got involved with the dealer rentis tests oh well. This is a long story and for rubber tino working for dino. De la renta's wasn't just another job. It was the fulfilment of a goal he had set for himself years earlier when he was a teenager growing up in puerto rico when i was a teenager i working <hes> a theater being baltimore dorigo. He was at the front taking tickets and not a member of any seven. They had movie king kong. The one meryl streep was too ugly for your don't worry. I heard she's doing fine these days. I don't remember it was a saturday night. It was so last show deny was eight o'clock and do people that can name with a uh. How are your mother with a fire or daughter and <hes> i was over time. Don't let nobody in the more because full. There's no malate and rubber. Albertino does not want to tell these two. They can't see the movie but he has no choice so he tells them. I'm sorry it sold out and i said please you know on the floor because of the tear policy knives what to do that can't make you and i'm sorry and she said please light cam from two thousand way i in a taxi and my daughter wanted the movie and i said you have to come back tomorrow. Because tomorrow we see it again and she said we we cannot come back tomorrow. Because because we don't have the money to come back we used probably competition and then the little girl starts crying and the mother is begging. Please let us in to see the movie and roeper tino for a second doesn't know what to do close. The door and i said i can't can't leave then he gets an idea. I say to them. Give me give me give me about couple minutes. I'll be right back closer and i went up there to projection room and annoying. When you know the progesterone it was a fan of mine or mainly roth and i knew he got a couple of seat their production and i just can't you. You don't mind if i bring people appear to use the shares. They're not gonna bother real girl with mother and he said yes okay yeah. You can bring them so he goes back downstairs and tells them i've got good news for you for you and the best he don't live here the fear you all by yourself. You can see the screen for the room while you know he was just like i made ah kong's life. I mean you know she holds onto. My vegas wanted me to go monday. She was so happy accordance with some room and combat coin point and close the door and even though fifty nine year old robert tino works at the movie theater. He still hasn't seen king kong yet so the movie starts the beginning. Then movie begins with jeff bridges goes into the boat than you know. The ship is talent pool enough. Deduct the pierre and then it happens. The name rent is present and that name kind of got me ever. Since i've done you know he got impact on me because it's almost out the movie theater whereas dino lerenius i saw the hollywood was chosen dino lawrence because also the movies where they know lorenzo that which elliptic gypsies and right there and then fifteen year old robert t know yanni sets a goal for himself so i said i one day. I meet a guiding person one day. I said a couple of years later. Robert joins the navy in nineteen eighty but let not before sending a letter to dino. I throw a letter to learn how about girl but he replied instead. It was his longtime assistant and translator who responded this starts a relationship and when robert tino gets out of the navy in nineteen eighty five. I got out of the navy story. That's dino's assistant that i needed a job and she said what the hell he has a movie studio north carolina you could come and working there and that's how robert tino came to work for the man he saw as synonymous with hollywood mr dino de la renta's. He went to work for dino's new studio. The dealer renta's entertainment group that had just opened in wilmington north carolina and make no mistake rubber tino really looked up to dino. He even kind kind of changed his name because of him he was gonna call him. He'd over tino because that's how you call up little robert and italian robert dino going over dino so i i i hope to that name okay so it's not a legal name change but you get the idea so what i wanted to know l. from rubber tino was what was it like to deal with dino on a daily basis. I met dana face to face. You'll have a few times. He was not nec- person to talk to. You got to be like candy good lou but then robert tino tells me this story that illustrates dino's worker but runtime that i was <hes> working women no messy for those of you who don't know or don't remember no mercy in nineteen eighty-six thriller starring richard gere and kim basinger and i came to the commentary and i found out that the kitchen was a mess and <hes> the people from the first ship lifting national like that and i was supposed to do cluster serve before then we'll be number and i was getting ready to go through the masa. Masa schumaker was dino. The lawrence rented girlfriend at the time moore schumaker was dino's producing partner and would marry dino in one thousand nine hundred ninety they remained together until dino's death in two thousand ten hour interview martha to let her know what the people in the first you've been done dating in the kitchen kitchen remodel thirty and i wouldn't complain to her kitchen laugh so he goes looking for martha put when he gets to her office. He doesn't find her instead. He finds dino now. Keep in mind at this point loyd dino. Dealer renta's is not just a producer but he is the head of an entire studio. Here is something i can help you. I didn't wanna say knocking him really one complaints about what happened but you know that was the kind of person who well he made the movie he was in boarding in the movie from a to z about everything and the screenplay did ecuador actors extras every little detail the movie he was in or what we wanna feed people today and when i who am i the net kitchen mess i know how he was so you know i knew i was going to get in trouble but as i was there and he you say to be yours told me so robert shows him they walk across the studio to the commissary and when dino sees the condition that the kitchen was left in his is reaction is not the best when he sold out the kitchen he say tomato but getting the phone call this morning and i said well no. I don't have homers and he said we were tomorrow morning when you come back i want you to come back to one of the morning. I'm telling everybody they're fire and just like that. They know has decided to fire his entire kitchen staff into you know we can we can talk. We can spoke at this hour. That's why you you know because the people in the morning there my friend awful you know. I mean i do not mean to goya fight. You know like we're you know he's back. When you have a you have to do your job and and how well you know he's a tweet over dino head and get ready for you to get on the truck and drive ten miles away. Robert tino has to drive to atlanta to the no mercy set but but that kitchen isn't gonna clean itself. He put an apron on he was doing this jason. This fi- it's fine i can do it. Just go ahead didn't go go back to the office. I it's fine. It's fine. I can do like no. He said all you gotta go. What would i combat. He'd be half for this stuff you know he i've finished it all by kim back on track in the morning and finish it up then. I'm trying to sweep it under the carpet. You know i didn't say nothing day so dino did the first half of the cleaning and then rubber tino did the other half of the cleaning and just in case. You're wondering nobody got fired tired but i i told her i told her you guys are. Here's you gotta do your job. I came in at four o'clock and everybody seems dirty. I had nothing ring here here with me. He was doing dishes so lesson learned for the kitchen staff. When you're working for dino you do your job. He was like for me. He's like a father a sample ohare work because you know if you were lawrence you gotta be there. I'll just do you even before he gets there. He was there every day every day. Six days a week hours today but as hard as dino was was working. Things weren't working out for his studio he had started. The dealer renta's entertainment group partly because he wanted more control. He was dissatisfied. How studios were releasing. An advertising rising is movies. After a string of disappointments like flash gordon in nineteen eighty dune in one thousand nine hundred four and year of the dragon in nineteen eighty-five he bought embassy pictures a company that distributes its own movies in one thousand nine hundred you start releasing his own movies now from his studio but nothing was hitting only only one movie crimes from the heart would end up grossing over twenty million dollars and worse big-budget disasters like type pan. This was the first american movie to shoot in communist communist china and had the censorship and production issues to prove it a period piece starring bryan brown type pan cost twenty five million dollars and only brought back to even king kong couldn't help a decade earlier rubino was dealing with sold out crowds for king kong but when dino brought back the giant ape for a second go around in one thousand nine hundred eighty six in a now forgotten sequel that was called king kong lives things turned out so badly. They didn't even provide clips for national reviewers. He's like good morning. America or cisco king kong lives so bad with studio knew it they did something unprecedented live roger film company companies actually said roger me letters thing they would let us show this up on our local t._v. Shows chicago's all here. We promise in writing not to show you the thing that's on the financial show obviously they were scare and obviously neither one of us with time such a letter solve off from qinghong list of the public service and staff jump to this warning if you don't believe me or roger believes a film company klay single one and this brings us back to where we started. Do you know seeing being a line of people wanting to buy a lottery ticket and the movie idea he got from it and just what was that idea rugen. Dollar harvester is the most rewarding movie ever made it yourself misery. You can win. One million dollars. Cash million dollar mystery rated p._g. Starts friday june wealth at it beaters everywhere. That's right million dollar. Mystery wasn't just a movie. It was a chance to win a million dollars. It was a lottery ticket turned into into a feature film. The story was basically a rip off of. It's a mad mad mad mad world here. We have a white house aide who steals four million dollars from the government and makes a run for it while on the lam stops at a diner and has a heart attack as he lays dying he tells the patrons and the diner about his stolen fortune four million bucks in four places a million the needs from there. It's every diner customer for himself as they scramble to find the money i three times in the movie. A character finds the million dollars and each time they lose a case pops open and the money blows away but that last million dollars is still out there and during the end credits a clue who is given to the audience is defined it not really though you submitted your answer and whoever had the correct responses to where the money was hidden was the winner. No one was actually expected to go driving around the country looking for a giant garbage bag full of cash. Yeah that's right. It was a giant garbage bag full of cash cash. You see there was a promotional tie-in going on with the movie million dollar mystery with glad they were rolling out there in new glad lock bags and what better way to get the word out then with a movie that was really a lottery and maybe it was really a commercial after all the movie poster itself did feature glad bags stuffed with cash cash. You knew it was a glad bag after all because the glad logo was right on it and that dying guy and the diner that's none other than glad spokesman. Tom bosley early in fact. You didn't even have to see the movie to get in on the million dollar. Giveaway flathead entry forms on every box of garbage bags. I i don't want to oversell. Its importance to the dealer. Renta's entertainment group put dino did think it was going to be a big success spent ten million dollars making it though he didn't bother to hire hire any big stars to be in it other than tom bosley. You might know these in one season s._n._l. Player tall and there was a small part for a relatively unknown unknown. Kevin pollack dino rationalized making million dollar mystery this way this ship. Y'all got to play except the with the disappearance shift given away when she danced. I think that quote from dino was taken from a nineteen eighty-nine spy magazine article detailing the literal and figurative misfortunes of the dealer rentis entertainment tamer group and full disclosure that was not really dino saying but rather a very bad end kind of entertaining impression and that's for audiences they opted to not see this piece of shit million dollar mystery would end up grossing nine hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars less the one million dollars they gave away and certainly way under the ten million dollars. They spent to make it as for the movie itself well. They probably really belonged in a garbage bag by nineteen eighty-seven the dealer rent is entertainment group was over sixteen million dollars death. He was forced out of his own company which ended up being sold to carolco pictures in nineteen eighty-nine. A number of movies made for dino's company would have to wait to be released by other companies who ended up buying their rights. The longest waiting period was a movie called rampage. William freed can psychological thriller that was filmed in one thousand nine hundred six and didn't get a release in the the united states until nineteen ninety-two some speculated that dino's problem was that as a producer he could get his movie funded presell the foreign markets markets and collect his million dollar producers fee and let the studio worry about whether or not it made money as a studio head. He now had overhead costs that he never had to deal with before things like movie prints and advertising. When it was all over dino would land on his feet he always did he resumed his producing career and kept on making movies until his death in two thousand ten rubber tina would leave the dealer renta's entertainment group too but stayed in touch with his mentor and father figure dino after you now passed away rubber tino would make more than cup of coffee and poor one for dino as well. <unk> rent is in my in my living room and i knew do you like coffee and fessel every morning so every morning i when i make coffee. I put a cup for him in front. He's fisher. I celebrate coffee coffee every day and when i looked at the compass is lesser than what i put there so you know maybe sometimes it operates science. Would you expose aaron air. He would operate like some kind of say that maybe before i pass away. I can do something then in two thousand thirteen hours now jacksonville florida rubber tino is staying at a hotel that a friend of his own hometown in free nice hotel at at least that's always nice now. I wanna let you know things are about to get a little weird. One day i get up. I opened my eyes ice. I'm i found out that i will tell you that i see but i thought i saw three three goes in front of me and i myself i usually you sweep three pedals through one at them and i never seen before. She was like a three being in front of me looking at me and i call it myself ourselves and i said you know maybe medication. Reaction should be noted that rubber tino has diabetes and takes medication for it. I was scared to look again. I fall asleep group against the morning when i go. I still always i was doing. I put a show that i was dreaming but when i got up i saw that little right without do it well well. You know i'm partial right now seem to go that was dreaming. There's a barrel right there. I threw a fellow so the next morning river tino talks to his friend and tells her about what happened the night before how he was sleeping in the middle of the night he woke up and saw three ghosts and then threw a pillow at them and <hes> she told me too many percocet because i'll be taking percocet for pain. You're taking too much medication. I said no no. I know i take medication additional. I never seen before rubber. Tino is certainly not the first person to see what may or may not have been a ghost in a hotel room so what exactly happened of course we don't really know what i do. Know is that of the three ghosts he saw two of them. Were women and the last one was dino. He hasn't seen the goes since then but the incident has stayed with them but we're not done yet and it's getting a little weird or now in two thousand eighteen team still with the ghost. If dino renaissance mind rubber tino got in touch with bob. Bob wagner is the host of something called celebrity liberty ghost box on youtube. What you're hearing is mr wagner's attempt to contact spirit of denote deta rentis jess dino della rentis. This is your token here what you see when you watch. This video is darkened room table with candles and morlet candles are added as the videos on this candle is for you. Please use that candle as a beacon to come forward and lastly. There is the main attraction a large machine of some kind that looks like in one thousand nine hundred forty s radio. That's where all the static you're hearing is coming from and that's what spirit may or may not be using to respond to mr wagner's questions. My name is bob wagner. I'm from wagga right t._c. As he ask questions words flash on the screen most of the time it's random cryptic things like i'm not dead or we're out of here and you are pretenders watching this video. Sometimes i could understand with the voice. Coming out of the box was saying but most of the time. I couldn't eventually mr wagner dino about that night in jacksonville three years ago. Robert tino had seen three phantoms in a hotel. Is this true yeah. You're guilty. Was that you now that you can hear pretty easily. The voice said i'll be so i was having yeah hotel but i can't fish who is the other ladies we never do find out who the women were by the way and even though he has an answer not everything that came out of that video made sense to rubber tino bill you know i don't understand nothing going on because he mentioned something about. He gave me a couple of names. I can't come the brick and your name. Give me a number. I can't come up with that number and thirty years after leaving the dealer rentis entertainment group robert tino still has a morning owning cup of coffee with his mentor and friend and don't go thinking that dino doesn't know about you know weekly that you get something served to you what do you what do you think of surf weekly in case. You missed it. He said coffee all right. Let's do it one more time. That's coffee feet right. The dealer has entertainment group didn't last long and certainly made a number of bad movies like million dollar mystery in its brief history but there were some good ones is what we already mentioned crimes of the heart but also cult classics like blue velvet manhunter which i should point out that dino hated by the way evil dead two and lear dark kathryn bigelow first feature were all made there and since i know some of you out there would be outraged. If i didn't mention it here you go. They also made transformers the movie. Thank you for listening to this episode of the industry. This episode was written edited and produced by dan delgado. Hey eh that's me special. Thanks to rubber tino yen's anne for participating sharing his story robert tino is not just a book by the way he's also a puppeteer matere and he's written a book about this subject. It's called marionnettes and you can find rubber tinos book on amazon. Also thanks thanks to my brother. Eric who was the maybe not so convincing voice of not llorente. This episode featured music by wayne jones and biz best studios. Oracles used to help research. This episode can be found that our website the industry podcast dot com is also linked to the celebrity spirit spirit box video in case you want to say on that was done for dino also videos for seances done for a number of other dead celebrities making strange noises coming <music> out of what looks like seeped up old radios if you feel compelled to rate and review the show on apple podcast so i would greatly appreciate appreciate it if you did such a thing it does help the show find new listeners. At least that's what every podcast says. If you want to get in touch you certainly camp. Dan sent me an email at radio. Dan show at gmail.com. If you're into the whole twitter thing we are to our twitter. Handle is the industry industry thirteen. No the number thirteen does not mean anything and we will be back again soon with another story of some of the lesser known things that went on in the industry goodnight <music>.
6. The Abyss
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I'm not sure at the danger that this man was fully understood them. Like we don't really know what are the man who is on trial for for such crimes and who's been exposed by. Yes the police. Yes the prosecution but also reported us how such a man could react so obviously there is a question dark to our own security. I feel I'm Natasha. Del Toro and this is verified Dino Mog Leo had drugged and assaulted guess at his apartment for at least a year before he finally got busted. He'd abused a sixteen year old Australian girl and she and her mother testified against him in court the same day the girl told her story to the judge. Dino actually confessed to the crime in the same building and he was put under house arrest that night the cops showed up. Dino's doorstep to explain the terms of the judge's order and they couldn't believe what they saw. Its Nine PM nine five to be resized day enter his flock it is not a raid. It is not a surge the only out to notify him bought. Wonder Derek. Dave. Find my your any fine two suitcases and as Miho suitcases? Doing here. Who? Who is the owner of the suitcases? Cecelia's one of the European reporters. She says the suitcases that night belonged to women. Dino had met on couch surfing after he'd promised cops he'd stop using the site any says I didn't WanNa tell them not to come because it will leave them on the road for things and the cops are like shocked underlying well. Where are they now ordering vanished? He says so the asking okay. Cold them immediately and let us talk to them. So does what happens. They called those girls and a make his comeback brought of the cops convinced them to come back from Venice and immediately they noticed that one of the women was not acting right. She she seems very confused. Sims drugged She cannot remember very well but she thinks you might have been abused. The cops rushed the women to the hospital. Drug tests for one of them. Came back positive for Benzodiazepine Dino's drug of choice and the woman also showed signs of sexual assault. Dino's arrogance was incredible. Think about it. He was under investigation. He knew he was potentially in huge trouble for the drugs. They found in his house and for the assault and rape of a minor and the night before he went into the paddle. A court house to confess some of these crimes. What did he do? He hosted drugged and attacked at least one other woman. What do you think it says about dino that he would be able to risk this that he would have? These women come status house when he was under investigation. It can mean different things because It can either mean that. He had on unescapable compulsion doors. This type of crime and that he is regarded self-preservation just for the thrill of being able to do what he clearly liked doing. Another time But it could also mean and it would be even more sinister in a way that he was kinda shore that he wouldn't be prosecuted that his story would hold and that the ideal presenting crystals KS as consensual sex would have no further consequence on his life surely is doesn't show any sign of rationality Julia's right. He's another of the earpiece reporters and he's looked closely at Dino's anyone know. Dino isn't rational but Julia's also raising a different point. That's just as perplexing an so unnerving. Why the cops went so easy on Dino. After he confessed they took him at his word when he promised to go off couch surfing and when he violated that promise they still didn't take him to jail they let him stay home pending his trial with a few restrictions. You know on the Honor System. The no was put under house arrest with the with the condition that it did not contact the outside world. He did not have the right to have a telephone. You did not have the right to access the Internet and of course you could only see family members and very few his lawyer and very few selected people. Those are the normal conditions of house arrest at this point Dino was supposed to be off line cut off from the tools of his abuse. The police noticed that someone was accessing his facebook profile. And if I was him nobody was going to come between Dino and his Internet. The police were able to spy on dino social media accounts using data. They found his computer and a phone sees from his apartment. Here's the prosecutor Giorgio Falcone. The translation is read by an actor but on their thirteen book. Cigarettes KUNI SUE party format itchy. Hey we were getting alerts. That's password had been changed that someone had accessed them to modify the communication and delete the some data. Delete AVONEX. Larry dotty Chilanga Ralway the routing dino had been online this whole time the cops had had enough so just three days after. Dino's house arrest on March Twenty Eighth. They raided him again. They found a bunch of stuff has friends at smuggled into him a computer and multiple phones including one hidden in a vacuum cleaner bag. The also found an IPAD hidden under his mattress and not only that they found more drugs. Hidden in a Chinese takeout container falcone decided to lock dino up for real. He sent him to a special military jail near Naples on the opposite side of the country to wait for his trial Saturday. It's gotTa to be in the talk on coach. Motive would be too risky to keep policemen or Carabinieri in contact with Genera population. I mean there is a risk of Revenge and violence in any case. Does who commit these types of crimes Sexual crimes especially against women and children. I sent to specific prisons that have special departments for them because In in prison environment these kinds. That are considered hateful. Even by the common criminals including high-profile once a so often someone guilty of these crimes become victim of ambushes violence and other things things that the state should guarantee not happen in prison. Falconi had actually been watching dino for more than a year at this point and it was because of kate the American woman from Montana. Remember her he was kind of like. Do you watch a movie house. I actually love to and I remember loving the the song the mother's alibi and he's like Join a cup of tea and I said Yeah. The movie hadn't even started and I was out cold. I guess I tend to trust people little too much. But he was a police officer and had lake Hundreds of reviews it was like sixty or seventy or one hundred views and they're all very positive and you has very verified. Kate talked to the police. In England after Dino raped her her complaint had reached out coney though through an incredibly convoluted path. We may not city Riyanto carry. Bafta grabbed a first official news of a crime regarding Dino Maglio is The one we received from the British police who sent the complaint reported by an American woman. Kathleen who accused him of sexual violence complaint that was translated into Italian then sent to the police station in Venice. And from there it was for the to the Public Prosecutor's office My Office in Padua Cooney saw the case allegations were serious and he needed her to file a complaint directly with the Italian police but he couldn't reach her her name and her email were written down wrong in the paperwork. That Falcone had received chapter means l'amitie adding the Tacoma chatted make Nagla Kathleen and it was while we were looking for Kate to follow up on this complaint that We received a complaint against your for sexually assaulting style the Australian girl and That's when the police search. Dinos house and he was placed under house arrest pending trial. Falconi was still waiting on help from Interpol to track down when Dino came into the courthouse and confessed drugging crystal the sixteen year old Australian so that day that fell coney interview Dino and was getting him to confess to drugging crystal. He had kate and the back of his mind. He started dropping hints city. No fitting new about other women. You can hear it in the tape. From that day. We have actors reading the translation of their conversation. Here's the moment Falconi asked Dino his reasons for spiking crystals drink. Why did you put the drug in her glass Shimon? Because because I'm an idiot I don't know I don't know what to say I didn't think about it. I I don't know why but we've what purpose to what end. That's a good question. I had no purpose lets you none as Chechen. Older career personnel goes beyond. Has It happened before that you had sex with people who hosted balcony waits the end of the interview to really Latino. I'm looking for a pattern here. All of as you know we will see about this Thanks to your guest book or the Internet Records Etcetera. We will see any other girl had sex while asleep We will fight clearly is at this point realizes that Falcone knows there are other women. The question is how much does he? Now this world dino's built for himself could be about to implode but he might have a way out in Italy. There's this thing where defendant can choose between a fast trial or a regular trial to get a fast trial. The defendant pretty much admitted his guilt but in return he'll face charges and he can get a reduced sentence. So that's what Dino does to avoid being prosecuted as a serial Predator Dino chooses a fast trial for what he did to crystal Falconi was also not born yesterday and he knew that Dino might do this so his plan is to wrap Christmas case and start over with a whole new trial with new evidence that the only way that he can come at Dino again it's incredibly tricky and daunting which is why fast trouser effective. Very few prosecutors are going to work as hard as well. Coney was planning to but what he didn't know yet is how much work the European reporters had already done all the work that Europe had been doing for years and all the sworn statements had collected. All of that was really going to matter but they had a difficult choice to make what comes first their story. Or the case here's Lsu. We knew we realized that we had in our hence elements that could be very useful for the prosecutor and for the policeman and so we ended up with the decision of going to trend to contact. Phone you have to understand. This was a huge decision. Journalists are trained to protect their sources at all costs to never makes their work with the police or the state reporters go to jail to preserve their source's identity and their independence fe. Don't keep that wall up. That whole notion of freedom of the press goes right out the window but for less USA Celia and Giulio. This situation was different. The risk of dino going free was too high so an early February of Twenty fifteen. They handed everything. They've been gathering over to coney so I think that What happened was something unexpected. From what science because From one side we had the prosecutor corner who was already mitigating. This case and at the central point is so that it was not a single case but it was a suspect of cereal case and so we started collaborating as journalists so journalists working together along with the prosecutor which was something new for us to me so reto that going on they start to fire chief Ed fighting average of that. We pay the city. I need that so it was not easy to bring out the pattern of city -ality criminal behavior of Dino Mario you're wishing the end emerged also thanks to the material collected by European so by you journalists that In fact allowed us to identify a whole series of cases was eager to take the evidence and the day after earpiece gave the materials they began publishing their stories about Dino Mangaliso the name though the said I know chain Dane Bay Czestochowa the natto. Duty Channel Artemis Noma your LEXA. Carabinieri for emplacement is standing trial. Over the right of sixteen year old Australian Girl Dino Maglione also stands accused of drugging raping more than a dozen Newman while I knew frits fact like we had to have been drunk or something. She accuses this man. Dino value an Italian police officer who introduced himself as Leonardo Online through COUCH SURFING DOT COM offering travellers. A free hippies reporting made international headlines and he started getting drunk In very friendly with us after so many long nights so many phone calls emails and fact checking was an incredible feeling to finally let the world know about how freely this Italian cop preyed on women fell. Coney now had all this material from the reporters embiid's he'd gathered on his own like evidence from Kate and more women were coming forward as a result of the. Up articles fell. Coney had an enormous task despite the fact that he had the earpiece reporting and the information about Kate Falconi had to start his own investigation and check every fact again he had to make sure that he could build an iron clad case against dino this work would consume him for years for the prosecutor opening a new trial for this fourteen victims was kind of A. Let's call it Russia. Latino Ellie was Was challenged for him too because he didn't have that much material so the only thing he had was The documents we brought the interviews. We made the stories we brought to him and the names we gave him so he started all they. Michigan's from scratch from a what we brought but I think they're too. He realize while he was investigation investigation and also with all the new victims contacting as an him that the case was much bigger than what he expected to be. Dino Mog Leo is not the only Predator that uses drugs to assault women if you WANNA find out more about these drugs. 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This work would consume. The next few years of Falcone is life in the meantime something happened. That's kind of mind blowing in his fast trial. Dino was convicted of drugging and raping crystal and was sentenced to six years and six months in jail. He was finally going away. But then Dino's lawyer managed to convince Italian authorities to give Dino house arrest again. He was permitted to serve his sentence at his parents house. In Serbo about a nine hour drive of Padua of course. Dina was under strict orders. No Internet no communication with the outside world but. When is that ever stopped him? Cecilia and the other European reporters never took their eyes off Dino Mock Leo and they saw he was flaunting the rules as much as ever. He violated his arrest by doing numerous things. One of those was going to the beach. Aparna Diatta one was going to clubs and and gigs but the most Worrying one was to Surrey. Messaging some of the girls that He had abused. So basically. He's Myers aim was to convince this ker an address to witness the trial in favor of him to changed her point of view and to say daddy was actually an ascent that anything had taken place was that the developers wanted it. And all of that and this time Dino took his lies to another but the most warring is that in order to hook them he was playing like he was he was being as if he was near fees journalist Now to do that he was using different phone numbers but also facebook profile code Do Store on. Esto commenced derived hottest. One here's one of the messages Dino Road to the women while he was posing to be an Iraqi reporter named Giusto Own Esto. Can I meet you? Really? I have some questions. I'm a journalist and work at European investigative reporting project. Italy European. You please help me thanks. Don't worry our conversation remain anonymous. It's really important unless you read these and got kind of terrified. When we first read the messages I was kind of surprised because I thought that this man is capable of everything to reach his goals and so I was afraid I mean I was afraid about what was in his mind. What he was about to do was thinking. What is she going to do once? He has our contact but was really more than anything I think for the girls they were asking how as possible that this guy I mean. He did what he did and now he's under home arrest and nobody's checking on him. What is the police doing there? Were really angry at that. Like what is the Italian state doing? I mean for a foreign girl. Who's been abused. Its diz is really disappointing. Like what the Hell he's not supposed to talk to the Ward Dino. Mog Leo knew how to work. The system and the Italian justice system proved easy to work. Authorities kept falling for his appeals. To be let out of prison to let him serve his term at home thinking this time he would comply with the rules but for master manipulator like Dino House arrest was just a minor inconvenience after all. He had plants a life to live and new victims to ensnare in his trap and the game of playing out. Different roles was just too enticing. Whether was acting the part of a dutiful cop. Her gracious host or whether it was impersonating an earpiece journalist Dino had lots of faces and now he was about to play one of his most difficult roles yet. The parts of a good and honest boyfriend from his parents house dino went online and found an eighteen year old girl from a nearby town a started talking and he convinced her that he was in love with her even though he lied about his real name and failed to mention that he was a convicted rapist under house arrest. Why would she need to know that so? They went on dates meeting up at grocery stores and strip mall. She was smitten. They talked about getting married. Dino said he wanted to be a father because dino wanted her family to like him to prove of their match one night he invited her and her parents over to his parents house. Alaska picks up the story He invited them for a pizza and for having dinner together and he was a dead time a while he was ordering pizza on this phone that for the first time he revealed the is a surname. Because until that time he never he never mentioned. He is the full name and They took note of the name and started making their own searches online on about this man and they realized soon after that he was a policeman and they read. All you'd be articles and they so who this man was. They were horrified. And the girl's mother realized Dino may have drugged and raped her daughter to. She'd complained of a stomach ache one night and dino had given her some kind of nutritional supplement that made pass out. She told her mother that she had these vivid dreams of having sex with Dino that night so we knew that t use. This may time strug to a sexual relationship with Theresa coming into his house through a Couch Surfing. But in this case we have a person who was supposed to be his girlfriend. Who was he as her consent to have sex with her but still you felt the need of having their asleep to have sex with her. So I don't know if it's for an erotic need or for something that is part of his behavior but he's not able to face people he needs to have them asleep or not consent in order to have a relationship with them so this is a very important for a behavior and to understand who mindue. His parents told their daughter. You have to stop seeing this man. That didn't go over well. She was in love after all and when Dino found out he dropped his sweet boyfriend act pointed out that he was near policeman and so he had a lot of power and he could kind of abuse his power against them so again he was using his position and he's role for threatening them of the consequences. They could face if they went against him. The girl's mother went to the police and reported him. Dino was thrown back in jail again. The mother spoke to us. But she doesn't want to go on tape. She still scared. Dino will confine them and get revenge the reporters continued investigating Dino and trying to help the prosecutor bill. The second case here's Giulio and it is likely died. That manuals counting on that. He knew that he could reach a degree of impunity. Based on the fact that there will not be enough physical evidence of the direct crime that was committed nevertheless we. We have to consider that in this case there was a huge amount of circumstantial evidence. Ab- never seen so much circumstantial evidence from the contents obvious. Computers of his shots of his house Whatever but what they found from his behavior that was very bold Still from a journalistic point of view. There were of course steps and each step you felt getting deeper and deeper in the rabbit hole and more and more involved. They'll sweat a personal level. And and sometimes like you. You end up staring at the abyss. The more the reporters dug into dino's life the darker. The truth became an eight. Got Really dark like when we when we received the results of the search on on my Ios House and we received a list of everything that that they found in his computer and that traced together with the witness the first witness that we are at the trace the image of the life that was going in that house that was really terrifying really alien to everything that I mean again. This is also dangerous like To to talk about him likey Monsour or different than a human being. Because I don't think he was exceptionally I mean. I don't think you would have noticed anything wrong with him if you just met him on the streets or the bar for half night. A it wasn't evidently monstruous Tell me about seeing the contents on. Dino's hard-drive I remember that the policemen the first comment they made when they talk to us about this collection that Meyer head was like he can open shop. Considering how much material he has collected paedo-pornography material. He is and it's true in terms of variety and the kind of stuff d'Ici es download it Saved And also recorded because we have to remember that neal's recorded himself with Some of the women while having intercourse with them sexual intercourse. So yes He's a kind of professional. Not just the way. The hypnotist described but also in the way that we will so Putin order for example. This will this material in the archives and everything very divided by Jarrah An data to people so we cannot think just about a person who occasionally or by coincidence had downloaded some of this. Violence and videos is personal. Did Systematically GonNa just say On on the video at your water police recognize. It was being him. Playing would objects like dildos and he's hand and you can see a section of the woman but you could not see her face but it were sort of laying. Body is on on beds and he seems to have this sort of fixation about dad or like unconscious women to point that he had also saved Basically any pictures of a dead woman. He took during a police inspection while we don't know whether he took them but they were coming from his office. He emailed himself those pictures. He was so so but it will obsessed by sex with the animals by. That's a lot of bestiality child pornography and traces of NECROPHILIA. This guy would indulge any sexual impulse he had. How did you feel when you saw that sick material on his hard drive? Cecilia it to a few hours to scroll to the library. Let's say it was like a pdf with the screen shots of dementia and the description by the police off each and every piece of evidence. I mean each and every video. It's been the most disturbing experience of my life at this point in our story. A lot of people have spent years trying to find out the truth about dino the women he abused the reporters the cops and the prosecutor but there was one entity that we have not heard from. Where's couch surfing in this story? Why was dino able to create a series of new profiles and hosts more women after being accused of rape and Dino was verified? What does that even mean? They enabled it. They enabled Predator to create a new profile. And that's probably where some of my anger is directed is that it's still exists. Surfing still exists for the wrong people for good people but also for people. That's in our next episode. 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Perfect Health: Influenced by Intention
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Dino H. Carter MTV Europe, Levis, Brand Clarity episode 13
"Oh Hey what's up everybody? You're listening to cannabis Karaoke where we ask you to grab the MIC and tell your story get inside Info from today's most interesting cannabis pioneers and from the first note to the end of the song. Listen Up as you get to hear the stories of success on Cannabis Karaoke right. Welcome to another episode of Cannabis Karaoke. This is the place man where we've really started to identify some of these early pioneers. Some of the people that are going in slugging it out in the space everybody thinks cannabis is super glamorous. It is at some point but at the other end of the spectrum. We get our ass kicked every day. So I'm really stoked to be bringing dino h Carter onto the show is the founder and owner of d branding and it's based out of Hollywood California and it's really a brand and marketing consultancy business. That is helping. These brands be able to facilitate their proper forward-facing message to the consumers which to be perfectly honest with us a huge huge thing in traditional business but has been slow. Go in the cannabis space so today. Everybody let's welcome Dino h Carter and let's hear a little bit about how he tackles this issue within the cannabis space. Welcome to the show man stoke to have you. Thanks for having me absolutely so you know. Talk to talk to the listeners. A little bit you know. Let's get a quick overview of of what your company does four brands and then we'll start getting into like some of the challenges you seen and or you're kind of helping come to light with working with some of these brands. Sure thing sure thing so I actually being in marketing. For more than twenty years I lived in worked in Israel England and the US In so many different facets of marketing grandy advertising. At are for Levi's merchandising and licensing for MTV Euro I wore on TV. We'd Alpha Mayo the Talian Carmaker and actually I worked. We'd OC beat the French luxury rolling. Paper I launched them in Israel Beck in the early. Two thousands cannabis wasn't legal at all and debts was my first starch. We'd You know working with cannabis businesses and I've learned a lot because Ocd is a very specific company and brand and they are amazing And after that you know we all the Internet and everything of course Starting going to internet use social media Mobile and all that so I found out there so many years that most businesses fail for the same reasons and most and those who succeed which are not a lot follow the same recipe. Let's call it. Yeah I mean I think there's some pretty heavy names leave is out for Mayo MTV Europe. I mean those are all traditional businesses that understand that marketing is not an R. Y. But that marketing is actually a line item. Expense that you have to basically you if you're not applying budget to Your Marketing Department. I hear this all the time in the space where we don't have any money to market and and it's and you have to ask yourself. You're like well okay. How are you telling your story? Because the bad part is and I know you're GonNa you probably will shit. You're shaking Hetero. These people think because they are selling cannabis in. It's selling out that they actually have brand and there needs to be a wire frame around that and tell us a little bit about like when you're trying to because you also cannot work with people that don't have that ability or desire to create a marketing or a forward facing messaging platform. Because you're just going to be banging your head against the wall. So do you have a series of questions like how do you qualify your accounts? Do you go after. Specific people are people coming to you. Tell us a little bit about how that process works. What a great question and you pretty much nailed it. I think I'm the only one who actually By your eye I fire clients that I don't WanNa work with. I just tell them no you know why did we shouldn't continue working together. How does that go over? I don't really care if you're not committed enough if you're not at least as committed as I am for Your Business Success. I don't WanNa work with you and you know we can stay friends or whatever But by by no more business and one of them I have a client that I don is in the East Coast and he is. I mean the amount of knowledge that has is amazing and after a few times I was like dude. What what the Hell. I don't need to run chase you and since then since I told them we're not going to work anymore He's been sending me clients all the time And mainly because I I. You know a lot of branding consultants and Marketing. Consultants are not really consulted. A just You know they want to produce your logo or your website or design work. Something like that and as much as I do that I try to actually focus on real consulting and problem solving So if I see that if I talked to someone across Bek and I see that they're one of those that think they know everything and they're not open to change I just don't continue with them so it looks like first of all if you guys want to check out the website while we're you know having this conversation it's D- Branding Dot L. A. I'm pretty straightforward email. I'm sorry website when I'm when I was going through and and kind of checking out the different things that you do. I think it's really important for people you know especially consumers or most listeners. I would say don't understand or they do but they don't understand how comes to play. Which is the connection between the actual physical product their digital properties. Their trade show appearances like a syntax or a lexicon of what branding and marketing really entails and how to have success off that so how does. Sometimes I'm imagining. You'RE GONNA get a customer that comes to you and says look we've got our branding done and then here's our social media and then here's our website and then here's what we do in trade shows and it none of it really carries forward the same Kind of looking at it. Feel like how do you? What is your process to go ahead and and help people understand that Consistency of brand is is probably the most paramount thing. When you're trying to take exists in any space let alone cannabis. Yeah and the most important thing is to understand that the world of commerce regardless of the industry has changed dramatically over the last two to five years dramatically and we're talking about the biggest companies in the market or the MOMS and POPs. Everybody need to understand that. It's a huge change in perspective and at the moment just a small group of people Understood and know how to play the new game. It's a totally new game and one of just like you said having a unified front. Let's say and the right messaging focused on the right customer base. That's the most important thing so what I usually do with. Clients is go backwards a few steps. The first thing I do we'd might clients and some I add. Some clients are just do that. Because you know they're they're small companies and they don't have used budget or not for retainer and this is something that every client that I had run this where like. Wow so that's a brand discovering clarity session. It can take two hours and take more. But it's like going to the shrink for your brand and business. I noticed on your website. You have you know a lot of free resources for people you know because look at I think you knew your you probably have to handle this head on quite a bit. It's because we live in such a different age ray and because there's so much available you know even myself like when we hire a PR person. We were selecting our social media people or you know you nobody. I think the the biggest issue people have to overcome is like you're GonNa make a mistake. You'RE GONNA You'RE GONNA choose the wrong person to do what you WANNA do. how do you build because really it's about building confidence because once you've built confidence with a customer and you've gone through and it's like lawyers right you never wanna pay the retainer to the lawyer you said Look. I only need a couple of things. Right like yeah. Well we're GONNA talk for four or five hours over the course of this deal that's going cost you fifteen thousand bucks. Just Gimme the fifteen thousand bucks and we can talk about it but it's always chicken before the egg. How do you get somebody to go over the line like how you're providing resources you're willing to do the shrink analysis on someone's brand and help them understand you know where they're succeeding where they're failing or maybe like? I'm sure you've run across people that you feel like they're doing everything the way they should be doing And you said something pretty important. I'm going to circle back to it but really what I wanNA understand is like how do you get people from just downloading the free stuff and getting free advice to actually becoming a paying customer? Because that's that's when you start hitting the the rubber starts hitting the road and you're able to actually facilitate your resources for these people most people who download the free stuff. Stay with that. And they don't nothing happens we then Because it's just like Or my sisters. John knows how to do Photoshop. He will make my logo. Have you seen any company? Big Huge successful company that that's the case with them. No no exactly by people think they know the best and it's funny. Yesterday I had a I Session with a client the new client and after like an hour and a half she was like. I can't believe it. I spend so much money the last year trying to save money instead of just. I should have done everything that we're talking right now like a year ago. Yeah I think I think you you know you're kind of alluding to the fact that you know people have great ideas People tend to have the Moxie to get out there and and launch the business. But then that's where pretty much everything starts to go haywire and it's because people are insecure or unable to make a decision or when people don't always tell my you know when I'm working with people. There's two reasons why people won't get back to you either. They don't understand what you're trying to get across or they don't WanNa do it so it's never like a potential. Yes it's always like you gotta get past those two things and help people understand and almost guide them along the way it's up to you have to and you don't have a lot of time to do that when people sometimes trip over you know. They're tripping over dollars to pick up penny's and you're just it's like you have to. There's something to be said for people that sit down make a full business understand. They're going to spend money understand. They'RE GONNA lose money and that's just the reality of business We've gotten to a point where we've seen so many instantaneous millionaires in so many different categories that it's just I always try to explain to people ninety nine percent luck for most of them. The right place right time right money right. In each whatever and one percent knowledge I've seen people that have been extremely intelligent about their plan and still fail and I think that goes back to. You said something What I think is really poignant and it's really something that I as I work with consumers and brands and that I say to them. Do you understand your customer base. Who is your customer base? Exactly everybody I want everybody to sell my product okay. That's that's where you're GONNA fail number one number two you have to identify you know party or marketing and branding helps you. Identify the niche customer. That you're trying to attack and so that would to me be like the number one epiphany that your company brings to some of these brands which is like the identification of who their customer bases. Give us a little outline. About how you 'cause it's Gender Age Geo all that located right and then it turns into colors and and the called action in every yeah there. There's a few things and it's funny that you mentioned the The everyone things so and you ask me. How do I kind of vetting customers? The brisk question I asked people is. Who's your customer? And if I hear everybody I said Okay but really who are you focusing where you're targeting everybody roll a joint? Everybody can use you sleep. But WHO's your customer? What do you mean? Everybody usually don't work with these people because they just are confused because they don't Wanna listen because they think they know everything and usually what happened with these people. And I'm talking just because of I have experienced and I worked with knock of people trying to get them understanding that they need to focus on someone specific and they need to see who is bride customer to want to be like their brand if your brand was a person or they would like to be their friend so you need to work on two personas your brand as a person and then define the person who is your customer and and see everything is a line sometimes and you know it takes time and sometimes you need to tweak a little bit and sometimes brands just like people evolved. They changed they grow up. And then you need to change a little bit your customers or you need to change your messaging Alito beef but when you define your customer of course the age the gender and the values what do they like letter. They stand for way. Do they get their information from Their news what kind of music they listen to. What kind of car do they drive? Maybe they don't drive the car two. They have kids. Don't have kids who have a lot of money or not are the result oriented process oriented If she's a woman in her forties Is She a career woman? That doesn't see her kids or she has her kids all the time and she needs a little break because those women at the same age with the Santa amount of kids are two completely different customer bases nine. If you're if you're selling vape to that that skits about and your brand messaging is about taking meat off for yourself. That's for a specific customer base than a vape company that her messed that the messaging and brand is about skaters without naming names and again that goes back to people just having a great idea and getting excited about that gradient and running out there and just throw it out there when when a when you finally get that brand or that company over the line they go. Kay. We're going to engage. We're going to do this. We have faith in You. Dina like how do we you know do you know how do we do this? To the next level How long does like do you tell them? The transaction needs a you know. How long do you gotta be working together to see some things happening you know? Wow that's That's the sixty. Four million dollar question Well patients is super important when when it comes to business growth and the marketing What usually happened is that I'm with them hand in hand or a very long time. I have customers that I work with For like four years on every business that they do and sometimes I'm with them on one business for year or two and sometimes it's just a a month or two and it really depends on the team and the on the goals and because I'm really into so my thing is to actually see results. I love you when I see amazing results that I've held created when Customer Kohl's knee and said Dude. We have the highest open rate on our newsletters ever. And we've been in business for eight years and I've worked on that with the team for four hours. That's I mean I love. That's why I mean this business because I know that I can make the change sometimes as in this one it's four hours and immediately they see change. They see direct sales immediately. And sometimes it's much longer much longer term I have an and you know. I'm not working on your with candidates businesses but some of the kind of businesses that I work with They will take a Lotta time to build a brand. It's funny that you say that Just today what's A big research by Oracle and. They found out that no matter. What the ages. Recently people don't believe eighty three percent of people regardless of the age. Don't believe doc reviews from influencers from banners ads and Alexa only from their friends which was the case in the old days. People lost their trust advertising and people get smarter smarter. They know that influencers get paid so they just lose their trust more and more and if you want to sell and create a fan base And returning customers which should be your goal Fallen Jedi you have to create trust and to create trust takes time think Think about your friends. You have friends that you trust more than others. And there's a reason why you trust them or eight because they share the same values and be you. Have you know you you? You've had a long runway debt. And that's the same thing goes with the with brands marketing and success the fact that you will have one page ad in a magazine because they had a great deal or that one age. Ed doesn't. It doesn't help you at all. Actually just just spent money that you shouldn't it? That's that's such a good point you know it's like when we when I was working with the NBA. You know. I I'd sit down with people and and if you lead with like okay the deal. I'm going to choose two hundred thousand dollars. It's like immediately. You're going to get pushback but I always like to take the approach of like a reverse engineer. What's our goal and be like? Don't worry about the money. Part of it. Let's focus on what you want to get accomplished. And then if the money does have what you want accomplish match your budget then we have to figure out how to get there. But that basic principle of you're saying and I'm hearing you say like look if you're going to enter into a deal to do something like this you're probably WANNA GONNA spend four to six months before you really see any sort of the needle moving Unless you can adapt in Execute faster right. 'cause it's usually people like yourself are having to argue with the company that's hired you to get them to do the thing that you see your intuitively seeing the direction they want to go in. Am I right on that? So true? Adaptation is so important and fast adaptation. I don't have patience for it for you. Know I'm the lowest inpatient Ersan. I've seen except for my mom and I liked green results bass and I do that. Which is a actually produce real fast results but those missiles Might be something. That's not sales orders or income. Those results might be all of a sudden. There's traction all of a sudden you're includes are happy to come to work all of a sudden after four years because we did something which change something inside and outside internal and external we starting to build a brand starting to build something that has substance Unilever the biggest conglomerate of consumer goods in the world just announced that they are going to stop all the products. That don't have any substance any authenticity. Anything they stand for you know like just just products. They're not going to do that anymore. Because people don't care about that anymore. Campbell soup is an and you know. That's a brand that everybody knows superamerica. It's been here for years. You know much New Orleans. How many billions? They lose every year in the last few years. Nobody buys back because nobody cares about this because Campbell. Soup doesn't care about anything. No it's it's it's one of those things where the next that kind of leads me next question. Which is brands like Campbell? Soup brands like Unilever brands. Like Levi and Coca Cola. They spend a lot of time analyzing their customer their messaging there. What do they want their end result to be in the navy? Apply the budget to that. And so it's real easy for people. Say I WANNA like Levi's you go well you realize they spent X. millions of dollars just to do this and so once you get again now. You've got somebody working with you. Spent four to six. What kind of what are the results that you see your your partners or your customers getting out of this? And how do you relay that information to them? Are you doing organic press release hits? Are you doing viral shares on their social media like what? It's that negative nasty word marketing. Which is the R Y? But how are you? China's return on ADSPEND S. Even like Hauer. What are your mechanisms to deliver results? Back to To your customer your partner so I'm a huge believer in organic and unpaid TV content. I'm a huge believer in content. Now I had my own businesses. I went under a few times so I know what it is what it takes and I know how precious every dollar is so I try to get as much as I can for my customers through building the right strategy and then manifest an executed because when everything is super tight and right the Roi on. That is amazing. And I use a lot of social media and I'm not talking about Ed's Are used newsletters automated emails and use very specific tactics For instance automated emails. Let's talk about ECOMMERCE. People that sell Cd or be to be Stopping the cannabis industry and they said it on a website so everybody knows about the abandoned carts email. Someone wasn't your Website Day Flick at two car abandoned and went to go watch born. Now you need to get them back and you do it. We'd and automated emails and all of us got this emails. Hey you forgot something in your cart. Hey forgot something so what I do. We'd my customers is war career hard on all of those emails that you get from the website and it's always super aligned with the customer if there's donors they need to get specific email with specific copy copy that you know they can understand that it's donor is talking to them or that. They forgot because they just took another hit from the Bongo. Something happens. So why don't you come back to the website if they're not if their CEO's because it's B. Two B? They need something completely different. You and that's the great thing about having Internet and mobile today. It's a one on one marketing. Right you can get and talk to each and every one of those people you can get them on on on check. You can send them an abundant text the the emails the retrieval of abandoned carts and browse abandonment. That I get for. My customers is sometimes fifty seven percent or seven percent. Does our youtube numbers. Usually you. Don't get those numbers From abundant man emails but when you're super targeted on what what will make them. Click and and actually finish their order. It will do that. Yeah I imagine you're seeing a fair amount of that. You know on mobile as well like people I mean I'm buying stuff off my you know And so that's a whole nother vertical of people. You know you. You have social cannabis first of all traditional business. You have a little more sets of tool resources. That you can lean into cannabis is like it's really instagram. Your own website your trade show presence and how does your syntax of brand crossed across all of those and that if there was no social media. I don't think the industry will grow that best which is scary because people get kicked off all the time and you know you gotTa Manage. Getting People's brands backup after they've Kinda lost you know and that usually happens from a competitor or a hater like reporting that account a number of times where they find a way to violate the the use. How do you not not only not only unique to be very smart on that so few things about about that first of all when you wake up one morning and it happened to me a few weeks ago with client a Sunday morning? And you see that you can't log into your instagram. Don't say immediately. Oh God that's it I'm doug. We need a new instagram. You need to send the right letter to instagram. So you help with some of that tea. Do little damage control on the back. Yeah sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't but you have to contact them and try to save it but don't use hashtags cannabis hashtags for twenty all the time right. Don't Josh earnest riposte don't use the same hashtags. Don't use some like machine and automated responses in automated likes don't don't use the same things all the time. There are so many people that just reposting. Instagram doesn't like that because they say if you're reposting you're not really person. Ersan real people don't just read post true but that's that's to say that some people strategy on social though and then they get fucked. Yeah absolutely so damage. Control big deal in the cannabis space Understanding Your Syntax your lexicon if you will which are those are the colors the The font types the imaging talk to me a little bit about how you and we see this a lot in the space when we're engaging with brand partners talk to the requirement or the necessity around video like how important is video these days for a brand the most important thing in the world right. It's unbelievable and I told you. Content IS AMAZING. Content is king and good content is even better and when you delete you know for free. Let's say Okay and you could just use it on your Organic hosts social media Newsletters Youtube Channel the Roi on it is amazing. The amount of traffic that can come to your website and to your shop even if it's a brick and mortar ethan if it's a dispensary that can come from Youtube. Wow it's amazing now. It's not easy and you need to find a the right content because if you will just do another video like all the others eight one work if you will continue talking about yourself and your product. All the time focused on yourself. It won't work. Few will be focused on the customers. It will work if you will seventy percent of people go to youtube to ask a question. How do what is when all that. So you have to answer questions and if you answer those pain points think what your customers are interested in. What would they ask Youtube and make a video on that and another video and be genuine and and posted this video and posted all I g? Tv and you're linked in and on your newsletter. Video is amazing. It works amazing. You can see on Instagram's stories instagram stories are now the biggest engagement. The biggest views. Everything it's more better than I think for. Sure I mean I. I'm often when when we're posting. It's like we know a story. We'll have more traction but then it goes away so then you do the story and then you take pieces from the story and you put him in a normal post. And then you try to like keep that connectivity going I mean engagement. Social engagement is really built around. Can you capture the person's attention span in that first ten seconds? Acu Right I mean so how do you? What are your goals when you're looking at you know? I'm sure you've got customers. Come in. They're like we've got you know. I don't know ten thousand followers on instagram. But then you look at their engagement on their posts in its you know. They're getting less than one percent engagement. -ment where do you try to set the bar for some of these brands because you did say how important social media was just a few seconds ago and in doing so? I think sometimes people take the approach of like. Let's just vomit as much as we can out there and then you had the people that are really methodical like a. I think number one question is is. What kind of engagement do you like to see brands? Having or what is your target and then to maybe share with a couple share with the listeners. A couple examples that are working that people are doing it right. Because a lot of what? We're attempting to do these days. Dino is has been done and it's just about applying it to what you're trying to accomplish and what your visions in goal are. Yeah and and the whole engagement thing likes and all those wealth not comments by like all those vanity matrixes instagram. He's letting go of that and probably a lot of listeners. Saw a huge decline in likes and views lately and that's because instagram is just killing everything that's a robot and everything that's not authentic and knock correal on instagram and it's about being. Bloomberg did a research more than eleven percent of engagement on instagram. His nut real haven't percent. It's a lot. Yeah how do you? How do you explain that to the to the customer that you're working with that you're getting you know we've been long since in the environment of by TV ad by a radio ad by a printout? And you're going to get you know we have thirty thousand forty thousand six hundred thousand rotation people C. N. We're kind of going the opposite direction that you want actually less more nowadays. You want like if you're you know. Everybody has been judging engagement or circulation based on an old school philosophy. Let's get your brand in front of as many eyeballs as possible and in reality. The new market is the right eyeballs. Yup and how occas how do you tell? How do you bring that messaging to a consumer? Who's used to getting high engagement on stuff but low return to getting a low engagement but a higher return? Tell me tell us a little bit about how that process works in. It how patient. The brands have to be. Because I. It's gotTa Look a little bit like you're not doing your job. The best thing is actually show them and this is like really across the board. The the they're the first mistake is the quality they can be big brands. And the quality of the photos is a disaster. Or the quality of the caption is just uninspiring. So you have to be inspiring and amazing and high-quality. Everything needs to look good. It needs to have some kind of a system and then you show them for instance Juan Post that got tons of engagement. But you see that. It's one post and they didn't double down on what works right. So if you see that this kind of posts work. Why don't you do it again? So you just do a test with them and do the same thing and all of a sudden well it works. You know how many customers and clients have like. Let's say if he posts out of the gate like thirty seven likes and one or two comment and then to video costs get fifteen hundred lakes five hundred. I twenty comments and they don't double down on those video posts. If you see the video works make more of those host more of those then start reading. What commenting about understanding. You don't mean to you know like in the TV and Radio Age when you needed. Think and figure out what maybe they think or. Why might them do something? And you had to pay a lot of money too big ad agencies to do an actual research with people you can just read what they say you can ask them. Use Google survey. It's free create a survey and send all of them. Ask THEM WHY. Do you buy our product. Not The the competitors. What do you think about this product? If we will do this product in red would you like it will so you you will get all these information and then you can create so double down on what war on your social media. The second thing is to be focused. Don't try to get everyone. Get the and talk to very specific and focused customer base. The third thing is not to talk about yourself. I mean forget about yourself being about them. It's not about you about your product. It's about your customers and the four things is what would make them click. What would make them write something? And that's a reverse engineer it. The okay what would date. Click on what would make them. Click on the product that is linked on the coast. And then right the post. I think that's such an important factor and I think there's another thing that's in your websites really good you know. There's a lot of tips and and just advice that people can go from it. In fact I just ran across when I was looking at the other day. You have a blog up there around. Btc Business Management in a lot of companies will be a B. TO B. And they forget about that that the beam could still be the sea and that you still need to focus on treating the be like a sea because if you don't you're not gonNA have the B. Because they were really AC- and you just lost the right and the and the bees business for people that don't know that and the sea is a consumer so most people think you know a business is a B. Two B. that's a service between two different businesses. It's fairly non emotional. It's fairly whatever nowadays. We're seeing that B. Two B. Transaction be more of a beat AC- transaction and it has to be on brand. It has to still treat every single interaction that you have outside of your internal company as a C. Which means you need to have a better product than a better product image. But you also need to have a better product support factor. Because if you don't people are quick to move to something else how does that? How do you look at somebody? That's not been treating their customer base as a B C And how does that get turned around? I can. I can give you two two examples bursting shoutout to green bros. They are totally be to be gay day. Sale Industry PRODUCTS. So they don't sell to the end user at home some guided seats at home and a changed their practice to be more personalized because they know that they're not selling. It's not a machine that sell itself to some building. It some guy that sales to other guy. So there's a human at the end of the road that gets The and makes decisions and it's based on feelings and emotions and may be headed correctly day. And maybe you know it's not a building that yourself too. It's it's a union at the end of the of the channel and Green Bros. Are just doing an amazing job with their marketing and branding. And that's once they started to change and brought there The people behind the brand who the forefront and very focused on Customer Service I can give you another great example Customer of Mine Spectrum King led and that's an e to see one of the things that As the industry grew indoor the competition got crazier and crazier and harder and harder because there were more Grow light manufacturers. I had to find a way to connect not about the product. I had to find a way to show that we are differentes spectrum king. Led's are not just a product and Ideda a survey we customers that bought and we asked what they buy. And why Party? And why did he cited to juice spectrum king and not the competition and about eighty seven percent said that it's the customer the customer service and all the people on social media who can swear by the products so we started changing the whole the whole thing and we are telling the story of the brand. The brand has an amazing story. The founder who was an actual grower. That had a problem that he wanted to solve and get more efficient grow lights in his garage wild paying less money so nobody knew about this and I decided to take the story and put it in the front so when you buy a spectrum. King product online on their website. The email that you get is not. Thank you for your purchase. It's a story. It's the story of the founder with his name and everything eroded about how started. Why why he's doing that. You know. Wide Spectrum King exist white white and you see people replying to this inner. If you ever reply to a thank you for your purchase email. You know people are replying. Wow that's awesome. Thank you so much guys. You're the best. He didn't even buy the product yet but he replied thank you. You're the best because we understand that there you men and people that actually care behind that. I think that's the biggest hook that I feel people. Have you know? We went through a period of time where that didn't matter but now it's funny back. Then there was people had more time to make decisions. They were bombarded with less options. But there was less concern about now. People want to be loyal to brand now. People want to have a connection. Even if it's an animate object and shout out to green brose and call and Marco for deciding to tell the story to show up and make an animate object come to life and have a personality because that is what's GonNa make people win because we all get bombarded on instagram or facebook or twitter. Wherever with the you know by the charcoal toothpaste or by replica ear. Buds don't spend one hundred eighty dollars on the ones by that. So you have people that are buying things on impulse and on price but as they get fried they start the price an impulse starts ago way and they. WanNa have even though they don't realize it and this is the evolution of the consumer from my point of view is that even if they don't realize it they want to have some sort of an emotional connection to that company and they wanna be proud about it and they wanna be able to tell other people about it and that's when you win and so taking this is where it got people if you're listening right now and marketing is a hard thing to get your head around We just gave you fifty minutes of free advice on how to Structure Your Marketing Plan. You don't even need a dino if you follow the rules but guess what. You're never gonNA make the cookies as good as dino is going to help you make those cookies so you need to make that investment into a professional that can actually cut your time to market. Don't trip over pennies. Don't ship over dollars. Picking Pennies be focused on what you're trying to do. Invest in your brand and make sure that you give that entity that technically digital human being if you will an opportunity to have success otherwise you're really just placating a hobby or a desire that you may have success over it but you're never gonNA truly recognize your full potential. Yeah that's exactly why I You know I set up this Brand discovery session at that. You mentioned on on my website because sometimes just invest in this thing and help me help you create the right up. We'll save you so much diamond money and you know just do this and then go to your way and continued doing that when you have this fundamental base work with I mean very very poignant words to live by and you know we've been talking now for about fifty minutes. I think I really want to encourage people that I get the question frequently if I want to give them the Kennedy space where I start Most people are going to start a brand or they're gonNA start a service. My suggestion would be to do your homework. Reach out to dino take a look at his website take a look at three or four other ones and really start to understand how to properly look. Don't build the walls and the roof of your house before the foundation I guess is is my advice to people and I think that's the advice that Dino's been giving for the last hour now which is be smart about it understand where you WANNA go. Don't just get caught up in the hype like I've got a business. I'm GONNA go big. I'm GONNA South everybody. I'M GONNA win. Maybe luck will be on your side but I think dean on. I can tell you that more often than not those same people are are disappointing investors. Going out of business and becoming very depressed because they didn't take the right steps to get there so dino do me a favor First of all thank you very much for your wisdom and your time today. Also want you to kind of shut out where people can find you and being on social media be at the website. Beat your phone number. And then I as when we launched this podcast I'll make sure to include all of that in there for people to To get a hold of you sure. Yes oh I really thanks and it was really a great discussion and talk and people can find me on the website at the branding dot La www deep rending dot la or dino. Age Carter on Instagram or on Lincoln and of course the website you can Either subscribe to the newsletter which has hands of INFO My Youtube Channel People really like the videos there because They just have tons of tapes and stuff. So just you know. Email me find me wherever google dino H Kardar branding and contact me and if you have any any questions or needs really just a high man awesome offer to people. I hope you know people get that. Understand thanks again man really appreciate you and. I hope you have a great weekend. Thank you that's a wrap. Thank you for listening to this edition of Cannabis. Carioca another kick ass. 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A pair of new dinosaurs from Southern Argentina
"Hello and welcome Dino Dino I'm Garrett Serene before we get into today's podcast we want to remind everybody that we have a audiobook slash paperback slash e book called Fifty Dinosaur Tales. And you can get it. Add Bit Dot L. Y. Slash fifty dinosaur tales number five thorough tales T- alias and. We also have some other books available. If you search for I know Dino you will find those to this week in our two one hundred sixty eighth episode. We have a bunch of news including a pair of new dinosaurs from southern Argentina as well as a ton of new dinosaur attractions and a couple dinosaur video games we also have dinosaur of the day ripped horace and are fun fact but before we can tell that we always like to thank thank some of our patrons who have been the driving force behind the podcast staying on the airwaves for the last couple years and this week week. We'd like to thank Lucas. And Eli Wyatt. The Georgia's Family John Heck Ranger Chris from Donald for higher. 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Obviously I think they. They said they covered something. Like a hundred square kilometers or more obviously. Didn't go in detail into all these place. They had like five different localities that they dug out and Dan spend a Lotta time and work finding these dinosaurs so we appreciate yeah. That's a huge effort. Yeah so both of the new dinosaurs that were named are from the Santa Cruise provinces. Were they were doing all this work. And it's the lowest population province in Argentina despite being the second biggest so it's very sparsely populated. I think there's roughly one person per square kilometer on average kind of Lake Alaska her something in terms of population density. It's a second farther are the south province in Argentina. After Thira del Fuego says varies far south. Usually we're talking about dinosaurs from significantly farther north in Argentina still still technically in Patagonia. I think it's basically about as far south as Patagonia goes and the formation is called the Chore Rio Formation. I think how how you pronounce it probably supposed to roll. That are but I am incapable so I'm GONNA call theriault. It's about thirty kilometers. Southwest of L. Califa- Eh. And it's very close to the border with Chile so like really far South West Argentina. Get into that whole tip point of South America back in nineteen eighty geologist Francisco. NIETO SALSA SORE pod bones sticking out of the ground so he called up Jose Bonaparte it and that name should be familiar. He comes up in a ton of Sabrina. Dinosaur of the days has named tons of Argentinian dinosaurs. He's credited with making Argentina one of the world's centers of Dinosaur Paleontology so very important guy. Obviously and he went there. He dug out out of Vertebra and assigned it to Antarctica source which is known from a couple hundred kilometers north. It's called Artis not because it's from Antarctica But because it's from the south in general so it has the same Latin root for south but weirdly. It's north of this one sometimes. The names get weird as as we discover borbor data source but at the same time Bonaparte. Also snag some theropod bones. He didn't describe those and then he also drew some sore pod bounds and let those in the ground because he didn't feel like taking them out I guess or just didn't look significant enough or you're just too much other stuff going on so you'd room made note of it and then about forty years later in twenty nineteen. A team went back. They went for one week in January and another week in March and found just a ton of new material most importantly though they found enough to name to new dinosaurs which are new yo- Titan and is Sassy cursor and technically there's a third as well if you include the bird that they named which I think is pronounced cuckney Kupny. It's known only from a partial partial corcoy though which is kind of tip of the shoulder blade so it's not really great find. I'm really surprised they named it. I guess it must be a really diagnostic feature on that echoed. But if you're interested in that one it might be similar to the orange is about all I can say about it. ECZEMA says probably much more interesting rusting because we have more than just a tip of Corkwood doesn't mean more fossils won't be found later and and described for true all the fossils that they found were dated to that campaign Ian through Masstricht in. Apparently there's a lot of debate about the exact age of these rocks. And they're not all the same. It's kind of all over over the place the geology. There must be really crazy but it's somewhere around seventy to eighty million years ago. I think is a pretty safe bet. It's not the latest Cretaceous. It's also not early Campanian. So yeah. Seventy eight million years old pretty recent in terms of dinosaurs but not as recent as it gets. It's the first time in and talk about is neo. Titan glossy heiress and New York Titan is after Francisco Nieto who found the holiday back in nineteen eighty plus Titan since titanic sore and then glares is after the Perito Moreno Glacier which can be seen from the dig site so so I guess they were having a great time taking up this fossil looking at a pretty glacier thought somebody should name something after that glacier and they just named it generally after tre glaciers in general rather than the specific glacier gives you an idea about how far south they are though the third glaciers around them while they're digging the New York Titan Holiday Holly type includes the Vertebra previously signed to Antarctica. Soroush say snagged that one and included in their type description since it's far enough south. It's its own. Yeah and also there are just a lot of other features that are different. I think part of it is that that vertebral on its own before maybe shouldn't have been assigned because because Vertebra on aren't a great way to describe a dinosaur but anyway now that we have more of it clearly fits in with US quarry with some unique features. We we have a new name for it. They also included in the type. Some more vertebrae some pieces of the ribs and pieces from the fore and hind limbs in that type so it's a much more complete fine than just the original Vertebra. In addition to the holiday they also referred four nearby fines although there aren't any overlapping bones so they can't tell really how many individuals they aren't. Because you know if you find four full humorous her something you know that dinosaurs disorders dinette forearms and therefore you have at least two individuals we have a lot of pieces but some of the pieces are from the same bone. They don't overlap with other pieces so could be as little as just two individuals and the reason that they think there could have been to and not just one is because one of the fines appears to be from a smaller individual specifically the humerus rib and Vertebra from one of the fines. Looks a little bit smaller but other than that. They're all within about a hundred square meters so they're not too far spread out and maybe maybe the rest of them are from one individual. We just don't know. Interestingly they specify that they didn't find any OSTEO terms. So it doesn't have any of those cool. Titanic or bumps MM sonnet actually bed. Yeah and it wasn't a huge Titasz or either they say it probably surpassed twenty meters long and quote which makes it about sixty five feet long or thereabouts. But it wasn't a Salta Serene which are known for being smaller and armored as not just because they didn't find Osteo Osteo terms but is also missing some of the characteristics of the other bones the UC insult disorients so weirdly they think it might be a colossus Saurian which is as a group. We rarely talk about it. But it's the one that includes Argentina source had to tighten and dreadnought us which are some of the biggest ever tannen sores makes sense with the name Colossus Orion. Yes but it doesn't make a lot of sense with this one being you know in the 20-meter-long Paul Park Suite. They also say neo Titan. It looks a little bit more. Grass Sil- than Argentina Sorus and Panico Titan Enron August. So it's a little bit thinner looking. Maybe it's quicker. Her filling a slightly a different niche. Who knows when other unique detail about Neo Titan is that on its tail vertebrae it had a unique texture that indicates gates they may have over stretched some of their muscles? Apparently there are similar features on athletic people's bones. They describe it as where like from exercising these tendons and stuff kind of invade the bones a little bit more. And then you get this specific texture on the bones and in this case is on the vertebrae so maybe it was using its tail in a different way than some other titanic stores or otherwise is moving at more than usual or something the other new dinosaur. The answer that they described was his ozzy cursor Santa Cruz Census her Santa Cruz Census Mature House pronounce. Exactly but as Ozzie cursor it is after prepare Marcello P. is Ozzie who discovered the remains. It's interesting that the preparer is getting names for for discovering it. He must have just been going along with the team from the museum. So look in the area and happens to be a prepare but when the time is right he heads out to look for dinosaurs stories to Caen. A lot of people who do multiple jobs could begin to get out of the lab once in a while and then cursor is Latin for runner. So it's like the SEC Z.. Runner then Santa Cruz. Census is obviously after the province of Santa Cruz in Argentina. Where was found? So this one is an Iguana. Donte antion organism pod and they represent a Sasi cursor as about four and a half meters or fifteen feet long and roughly waist height. I'll say compared to their scale person in the picture talking about maybe four three fetal Napa Park not too intimidating uh-huh well depends suppose I mean it's an ordinance pod to so it's probably not eating people or he can't do damage I suppose they gave it a really generic or pod silhouette so sort of scaled up Australian or nippon like the little we were a source or one of those. Just just make bigger. It's got that rounded snout and not really a whole lot of awesome features so no one really talks about our pods all that often. So let's just this kind of similar to one another Ed even at fifteen feet long. It's still much smaller than the hadrosaurs that it would have coexisted. With so Hadrosaurs I have been found right across the border in Chile so authors are suggesting niche partitioning. That may be these pods. Were kind of going after some of the smaller smaller stuff in the area and the Hadrosaurs were going after a different type of vegetation that require them being bigger or the hadrosaurs were eating stuff. That was higher up on plants. The answer something who knows they found at least four is Sasi cursor individuals including juveniles so kind of the opposite of the previous there were several different locations and we don't know how many individuals they are. That could be one this one. They found one spot that clearly has multiple individuals know. No the individuals alone gives us a really good picture of what is Oscars are looks like but when you combine them we get a slightly better picture. Still Pretty Fragmentary Agmon Terry but fortunately those fragments are spread all over the body the go essentially from the tip of the neck all the way down to like almost the tip of the tail. So we don't have any of the skull but in between that we have a lot of bits and pieces all over the place especially vertebrae. There's a ton of Vertebrae in the tail and say chrome particularly. I think there's only only one sacred vertebrae missing that we also have parts of the Humerus and Scapula basically the upper arms and we have parts of both legs and feet so so if a pretty good idea about what it looked like in sort of its overall body plan the holiday type is only the end of the left Tibia because as it was found with so many individuals. All jumbled up and they're all broken up pieces the had to pick just one fragment basically to be their tape was that the biggest fragment I think it was probably the most diagnostic one. It was one of the bigger ones. But you know humerus and Femur and stuff had some big chunks on him to. You're they describe the legs and feet as quote unquote more robust or as I think of it beefier than close relatives including Boris which is from Antarctica. So it's got I guess stronger legs. Maybe it wasn't as quick and because a group of various ages was found together the authors are assuming they were gregarious living together and they pointed to some other nearby ish discoveries that showed dinosaurs living together. And we've talked about that. Quite a bit has always controversy about whether or not they actually live together or if they happen to just die together for other reasons like there was a group of them fleeing in a direction action or they got flooded and washed into like a an area together. It's always really really hard to tell but I suppose the more of them that we find finding groups together especially at different ages seems to help with that theory. In addition to those to name dinosaurs as Sasi cursor and new Yo- Titan they also found an Abella Royd toe that must've been a distinct to- well it wasn't distinctive enough to give them a genus genus. Name for it but I guess it is distinct enough to know that it's an Abella Zoro aid so it probably helps us. In South America kind of narrows down what kind of carnivores would be around and they also found part of an logging had claw. which are those South American Raptors? And it's not even very great piece of the clause not like a big curved curved thing. It's kind of in the middle of the clock. This is not really the claw part of the claw so it's pretty impressive that they figured it out based on the group that's in it. In addition they found a a bunch of eggshell fragments from both sore pods and theropods. Some of them might have been neo titan. One of them was found in right on the Tibia of neo. Titans seems is likely and in addition to dinosaurs team also found pieces from a mammal Moses solar fish turtle snake and other remains they also found several castes from vertebrates and some better quality gastro pods and plants. So if you're in the Paleo Botany there's probably some papers coming out soon. It's a lot of things. Yeah they have the talk a lot about how this gives us a better picture of the area because we talked about at least one or two dinosaurs that were named from the area. But there haven't haven't been a lot of papers about just how diverse the fauna and flora was there and kind of a more comprehensive view of the ecosystem. So this really helps us figure. You're out what all was interacting which is much more exciting. I think both new yo- Titan and to Sasi cursor are on display. I found a bunch of pictures of them being on display. They went on display. I think just about a month ago when they released the paper and it was under the title that translates to the dinosaurs at the end of the world's I'm assuming that they mean kind of like the edge of the world's and not the end of the dinosaurs reign of terror because it was found so south in Argentina. But I'm not sure because it is also sort of late Cretaceous. I can read the text that was on their ends in Spanish. Which makes it harder for me? They make a point one of saying that the fossils are owned by the Maceo Padre Molina. But I'm pretty sure that the display is at the Buenos Aires natural. Science Museum is based on the pictures. Because there's kind of this blue wall that I found and recognized from other pictures of the museum so I'm not sure maybe they just went there for the press conference and they're going to go back to the museum so I'm not sure where they'll end up and need to put both of these honor dinosaur museum map because they look cool museums but if they are still at the Buenos Aires Natural Sciences Museum you could go there and also see Papagos Horace which we talked about last week because that's on display there too a lot going on in southern Argentina these days yeah and millions of years ago ipad joke of the year. I don't know we've already done. You've you've probably in other news in Virginia who gets a museum news. The Virginia Living Museums having a dinosaur year. That means they're going to have to exhibits tiny titans dinosaur eggs. Maybe heard about traveling one. That's going to run from January eighteenth raith third and then they have the Jurassic giants exhibit bit. which will run from May twenty third through September seventh to Jurassic giants will feature Gigi Not Sorus and have animatronic animals from the triassic drastic and Cretaceous? And there's also going to be a presentation about the discovery of the Dinosaur Embryo Baby Louis intoning China drastic dinosaur park being built this year. So they're going to have a fossil site in the excavation area and a theme park along with a fossil museum and research base sounds pretty massive and the research based plans is to study the movement of dinosaurs that lived in the drastic cool. Just another one to add or list of visit in China gifts in Michigan at the Wharton Center on January. Twenty fifth. Coming up you can see dino light which is this glow in the dark show about scientists who uses magical powers to bring friendly dinosaur wife and there's puppets bids neon lights and dance. It took two hundred hours to create these characters. And they're all made from recyclable. Materials at met for kids ages six to eleven. But I I would really like to see them to melts all the way in Michigan. Yeah that's pretty far. Maybe it'll travel or they'll be some youtube clips we can watch L. that to that's easier at Halway quarry and Christ's Church New Zealand. There's a ten day dino fest going on not much longer until January eighteenth ain't that started on the night and that features twenty five dinosaur replicas and they have three animatronic dinosaurs including a triceratops that can walk. There's a narrated dinosaur encounter show three times a day. And there's also a dinosaur trail and activity such as Dino Dig Pretty Dino tastic. I'd like to see that triceratops. Walking around immediate Eh. Next season of power rangers might have dinosaurs. So there's rumors that they're adapting. Cure Ashiru Centi- Russo or Night Dragon Squadron Roussel which features A team nights who draw on the power of dinosaurs. I don't know too much about that series but I'm sure there are people who do and I think they're excited. Yeah there's been a lot of dinosaurs in history with power rangers. It's probably the best thing about power rangers dinosaurs for Dinosaur Suzy as Titania me in comics. There's a full review of moon girl on devil dinosaur for anyone who might be interested in diving into that series so it's a really positive review. It talks about the strong character writing. We haven't actually read the series yet but there is a fun image in this review of the T.. Rex Hitching a ride on top of a subway way trade zone. That's pretty cool picture. And I think they may the review because the newest addition devil dinosaur full moon just got released I think today or maybe the day before this airs so you can pick that up in. VR Reviews Games few posted a review of Dinosaur Island VR. And that's where all the dinosaurs out to murder you as well as some piranhas murderer is a strong word when it's different species. I'm using the word from the review. It sounds like you sit in a ride. That's on rails and then you shoot all the dinosaurs that come on screen. The review is pretty lukewarm. Says it's fun in the beginning but then the novelty wears off often. There's some flaws that are kind of annoying so like small dinosaurs. Don't have any attack animations and then sometimes your weapon takes a long time to auto reload so then you end up dying and there's no surprise when dinosaurs come about there's no quote unquote fear factor. Is that just always pop up with the exact same time. I think it's just really obvious when they're coming. Oh so they gave it a five out of ten because it has moments of fun which means it's probably worth dipping in if you're hardcore dino fan but there's little here to make it standout so he go hardcore dino fans I don't know because if you're a hardcore dino fandy religious WANNA shoot dinosaurs that's true but maybe you WanNa see what the dinosaurs there's look like in Vr. It could be. Yeah there are some cool just like walk around dinosaurs and VR. Things that I've done that I enjoyed quite a bit. I looked at this game. I thought about playing before you talked about it but I watched the video of it in house like. Nah Yeah I wanted to compare it so we. We talked about islands three fifty nine quite a while ago which is a different. VR Game where you shoot dinosaurs but you're a little bit more like out in the environment. You can move around wherever you want. I think you sort of craft weapons and stuff which was pretty fun. It was a little bit buggy but it was pretty fun and there is similarly reviewed but for different reasons. People don't like it. People are annoyed with the bugs and island three fifty nine whereas in this one people are annoyed with the lack of content site. Bugs Dean prehistoric thugs. Or gameboy. Get stuck and die. You can't move clarification in this case because most of these games it's interesting too because it's usually just dinosaurs. And then they don't include lewd any of the other prehistoric animals like bugs. Sometimes they throw in some like pterodactyls. I think they had those in the dinosaur island game but yeah it looked kind of like the Jurassic Park Game. We played arcade where it has highlighted points. And you have to like shoot those specific spots but in Vr. Probably just stick to the arcade game though. Yeah that one's pretty addicting takes all the quarters. There's another game dino crisis that's getting updated for PC so geminis upgrading it. For A P C. There's also an Indie team bringing it to unreal four engine this fan projects called Dino Crisis Rebirth. That's GONNA come up sometime this year and it may be a MoD also not too much to share their but for anyone who likes dino crisis played it when it comes on a pc off trite last. There's an interesting piece on Forbes about how the death star from Star Wars crashing on a planet would have caused a dinosaur sized extinction event and for those who haven't seen the latest Star Wars. There might be some spoilers. So Purdue University and Imperial College London have developed impact Earth. Which is this online program that simulates hypothetical effects of various size? These things that would hit an earth like planet and you can put a lot of parameters you can do the diameter in density of the projectile the distance from the impact and then calculate what could happen. Yeah we talked about this one before his pretty fun. It tells you like based on where you are on the earth how much that impact would affect you too. Which is Kinda Fun Yes so in the Forbes Forbes Article David Breasts and found that the death star to impact on a planet would create at least a two hundred and sixty four kilometer wide crater. That's more than one. kilometer deep deep and the chicks luke in comparison is a hundred and fifty kilometers and that's the second largest confirmed impact structure on earth and the largest was three hundred kilometers wide going to mispronounce this but the verdict Fort Structure in South Africa. That's estimated to be over two billion years old so based on all this and then based on scenes from the rise of skywalker. David Bressan found that it looks like a forty kilometer size fragment of the death star hit the planet but even so so that quote would have formed one hundred kilometers crater dwarfing. Most of real craters found on earth and causing untold damage. In quote the movie it did look like quite a bit. The damage was caused. He did so maybe they did a right. I have to watch the movie again to see. Don't remember the first one you're reading this and you're talking talking about the death star. Impacting I was thinking the entire death star and then it's like planets bouncing off each other so as I do more than a crater who were talking about just a small piece the death star Hennigan which makes more sense the big question there is. How fast does it hit? Because that's the other huge factor in how much damage gets cost. Well he can use impact are often play around yet true so you could do a range of different death. Star explosion speeds and therefore how fast the death star trunks are going when they hit the planet something they never thought about. In the first movement they're blowing up the death star send all this debris out there to crash into other planets. That's true do extra damage and before we get into our dinosaur of the day we quickly Ronald remind everybody that we have our dinosaur books. Most most recently fifty dinosaur tales for sale. So if you want to hear US talk more about you can get fifty dinosaur tales. As an audiobook. She preferred her read it. You can get it as a paperback or e Book and You can get any of those at bit dot l. y. slash fifty dinosaur tales. Or if you want to read some of our other dinosaur looks like our kids book or you could pick up our creative writing journal. Those are also available. Just search for I know dino on Amazon or wherever you buy book some of them are only on Amazon. But if you're interested definitely check him out. There are links on her website too and now to our dinosaur of the day drip to source I which was a request from Super Mario Logan fans. Thanks it was a Tyrannosaur Oi that lived in the Cretaceous and what is now New Jersey in the US. And it was a large bipedal carnivore. It is estimated to grow up to twenty five feet or seven and a half meters long and it weighed about one point seven tonnes. That's based on one specimen drip. The source is famous because of Charles Nights painting of leaping layups strip the source used to be known as les laps. Charles Nights leaping lelaps was one of the first maybe even the first depiction of theropods theropods is active and agile pretty early on. Yeah back when everyone else was drawing in was lumbering slow reptiles and they did so for many years after lelaps or DRIFTA source is one of the bone wars dinosaurs. There was some fights over at between cope emotionally. Talk about that in more detail in our episode. Two hundred fifty fifty. which is all about the bone wars drip source may have had an Arctic metatarsal foot like Alberta source and tyrannosaurus where the third toes pinched in between the second and fourth toes drip disorders had relatively short arms and long fingers? But even though they were relatively short they were still long arms compared to dinosaurs. T. Rex proportionally speaking. Yeah they had large hands with three fingers though Saudi and others in two thousand eleven found that it may have been similar to derive Taran swords and they may have had only two Functional Fingers Drift Ashore head. These eight inch town like claws and having the big hands may mean that Iran's royds did not uniformly shrink their four limbs it may be possible that trend towards arms got shorter before their hands got smaller. But we need more fossils to no drip source had sharp serrated teeth and it may have used his its arms and jaws when hunting and eating prey. It's not clear what exactly at eight there's not many cretaceous dinosaurs from the east coast of the. US that are known may have been Hadrosaur swords or notice ores. Although those have had too much armor drooped a source lived in a coastal environment and during the late Cretaceous there was a warm inland sea. That separated Western turn an eastern North America. So because of the C- It was isolated from Toronto source in triceratops and other dinosaurs of the West and dripped a source may have had more generalist features like earlier dinosaurs. There's not too many drip Zora's fossils known so like I mentioned the Bowmore Steinhaeuser. It was described by Edward Drinker Cope in eighteen. Eighteen sixty six as lay ups and lay laps means hurricane or storm win. And that's the name of the dog in Greek mythology that always caught what it hunted but but it turns out that the namely laps had already been used for a might so Charles Marsh not wanting to miss out on that opportunity. Renamed it in eighteen. Seventy eighty seven and the type species is dripped. A Soroush. Equi loneliest the genus name means tearing Lizard and the species name refers to its three fingered hand hand and how it has claws like an eagle's it's one of the first theropods nome before drip to source only theropod teeth found. The type specimen was found in New Jersey in the West Jersey. Marl Company pit the cornerstone formation in barrels borough corey workers collected the specimen and the type specimen includes a fragmentary mech sula fragmentary right dentistry vertebrae parts of the hand parts of the pubic bones left Femur Tibia left fibula left stragglers. This one was probably a mature specimen. Drink a source has a few different names and species. Most of these were considered dubious now so again back to lelaps cope named les laps. Try Try Header Don in eighteen seventy seven based on partial dentistry. That's now missing that was found in Colorado in the Morrison formation. And yes he knew that marsh had renamed his dinosaur. He refused to accept it again. We go into this episode to fifty so five partial tooth crowns that were thought to be this type collapse. lelaps try don are now thought that they could belong to Allosaurus Cope. Also named lelaps macro office based on a partial highland inland that Joseph Lady had thought was Soroush but had longer toes but in two thousand seventeen that was named a new genus to hibernate trip to sources considered to be a primitive tyrannosaur. Though it took some time it's been classified in the past as megalosaurus lure etc Gary Vecchio early worked on project DRIFTA source and he reviewed the history and significance of drip to source with the goal to put a full reconstruction of drip sores on display at the New Jersey State Museum. In which I think is the skeletal version of leaping lelaps that they have had on display since two thousand sixteen. We think so too yeah. We mentioned the seller show. It looks really awesome. Yeah it does. Yeah being able to see leaving lelaps in that way. Yeah I was just wondering who made it nine. Oh Paleo artist tyler killer also crowdsource funding inmate. A life size replica trip to source for the done museum in Libertyville Illinois WanNa see another trip to source and are fun fact of the day is maybe I should just call these. Why aren't there dinosaurs there? Because it's a question. I often wonder so this time I was wondering about Ireland because there are tons of fossils in England which is really close to Ireland. So why would there not be dinosaur fossils in Ireland when there are just tons all over England so it turns out the most of Ireland is covered in Paleozoic rock which is one era older than the Mesozoic so the Mesozoic rock was worn off a long time ago. So if there were any dinosaurs. They're the basically all been scraped away in destroyed. Loyd oh yeah. It's kind of a bummer. But there are still some Mesozoic rocks there. Some of Ireland got covered by some volcanic rock and and it made sort of a protective cap over the Mesozoic Layer. So that it didn't get more in a way down to the Paleozoic and most of that I think is in northern in Ireland in Northern Ireland is the only place where you see any Mesozoic animals. So that would make sense unfortunately even then Ireland was underwater for most of the Mesozoic. So basically we just find marine animals and not dinosaurs which is in two different than Britain because allow stuff we find there is like please. ESOL XIA source and stuff too but the stuff that has been found in Northern Ireland is a pair I think of Xia Soars and a single please please zoar as long as everything's in the paleobiology database that is actually been found. And then apparently there's also been some unidentified scirea foreign an meaning either status or Ankylosaur or one of their ancestors remains and also some theropod remains but presumably there unidentified tide because they're either too small or worn down to be distinguishable so maybe it was from them being out to sea for awhile because it was the marine environment. Or maybe it's just wasn't a great preservation environment so unfortunately if you're in Ireland and you're hoping for a nice national dinosaur it might be a while they never know as Californians. We're in pretty much the same boat. The Mesozoic was wet. Time and in a Lotta areas that are now. The coast were submerged during the Mesozoic. They'll manage to have a state dinosaur. So yeah we got a couple where a lot bigger within Ireland to that helps us and we have a lot more Mesozoic rock. In general to just to clarify we only have one st Denis or but we do have a couple of different dinosaurs found in the state. 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The "Reaper of death" Thanatotheristes
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Thank you so much for all of your support in One of the perks of being a patron as you can request dinosaurs. We just got a few new ones. So stay tuned for those. And there's lots of other cool rewards fee. Join our community at Patriot dot com slash. I know dino jumping into the new. Who's our new tyrannosaur was requested by? Ad Astra Discord requested it as a dinosaur of the day but since his brand new we just cover it in the news section instead Ed this home was published in Cretaceous. Research is behind a paywall so we mostly based on a Smithsonian article by Riley black but the original paper was written by Jared Vora and others and in it they describe a new tyrannosaur. It was actually found way back in twenty ten in Alberta Canada. Originally it was thought to be the existing genus displayed a Soroush Banal gave it a new genus name and that is thanatos there rhys tease day. Grew Torah sounds like a marvel character. An amalgamation of Thanos and groot as truth doesn't think of that. The thanos part. I did look up because I was wondering if it was related to Thanos because the Natto is the god of death in Greek mythology and I was thinking. Is that what thanos comes from? Are they really based on the same Greek root but when I looked into the origin of the word? Thanos I couldn't find anything. Maybe someone else knows. But I don't think it came from the same root thing. It's just a separate thing but it is weird because just a year or two ago. There was the dinosaur named Santos which has an Bellas Ohrid from Brazil so it could be confusing since they have similar names in there found around the same time but fortunately since I was a kid. And this one is a Tarantula Royd. We shouldn't be confused but they were from around the same time Thanos. The dinosaur was only a couple of million years earlier than the natto therapies. So they were close but not maybe exactly overlapping. It's hard to say since we're basing. Pulsa them just one fight. So the full name said Natto. Therapies means reaper of death because combined with the word for repair along with that God of death. Nato's and digger. Torah is after John and Sandra degroot. Who found the dinosaur often the case if you find a dinosaur and give it up to science then it might get named after you. This one was found in Alberta Canada. Where you don't really have a choice. You're legally required to give it up designs. And that's what they did to. Nato Thursdays is from mid campaign in which puts it about eighty million years old about two million years older than displease us. Horace as well as Thanos. The dinosaur was dot org. Because when you say you don't think dinosaur I didn't really find much of the NATO therapies which might be why it took them ten years to write this paper because it didn't look super exciting and then also why they might have just assumed it was displayed a source because all they found was the front of the lower jaw part of the upper jaw and a few small pieces from the rest of the skull. So it's really just a fragmentary. Skull is all they have to go on but even with such a fragmentary find. They did find several unique features about it. I think they found like three to five features that they said were unique enough to put together and make it its own genus. And since it's about two million years older than displayed earlier in the fossil record it gives you a good guests that it probably isn't the exact same species at the very least as displayed a source because otherwise you look at it and you see this fragmentary skull and you think that could just be individual variation or something but if it's more than two million years apart that's when we generally start to see the assumption that while most species don't last for more than a couple of million years so it's likely its own species based on that alone very roughly. It's about eight meters or twenty six feet long and I say very roughly because just basing it on a few pieces of skull is not a great way to come up with a link estimate of a dinosaur but it gives you a rough idea is basically a similar size to display the source. One of the more interesting elements of this paper has to do with a tarantula worried group as a whole basically the fact that we found this dinosaur so close to display. Sorus and having quite a few differences implies that there wasn't just a series of mono generic successive sister tax as the others. Put it meaning that it wasn't just one tyrannosaurus evolving into the next round sorted evolving to the next Taranath horrid. It was a complicated evolutionary pass. That's all bushy. Not just one genus from the next. So essentially that means that we didn't have T. REX EVOLVING DIRECTLY FROM UTAH. Arenas with a bunch of individual generic inbetween. It was more complicated than that. Which is always how it goes when you learn more about evolution it's always so messier than you originally figure out. Every new discovery comes with at least two new missing links as they say. Who's they evolutionary? Experts averred that described when tired about human evolution who keep getting more and more missing links. That's true just reading about a new one for human evolution where much more recent so probably easier to piece together. Yeah was humans you talk about. Tens of thousands of years and dinosaurs. You find one. And then the one two million years different so there's hundreds and hundreds of the resolution basically so in the end what they ended up with was the idea that not only do we have different Taran owners in different regions but they were in different regions at the same time. So it wasn't just he wrecks all over the US and North America dominating everything there were different tyrannosaurs in different places and that also probably was happening in Asia although we don't have enough astles there yet to specifically see them overlapping and at the end of Taranath Zora Day. You've got two different groups. Now there is displayed a sore. I and Taranath Orrin. I so does fleet us or an I is displayed assuras. And this New Dinosaur. The NATTO therapies. And then a tarantula and I you've got tyrannosaurus Tarver Soros and Ju Chang tyrannus which is obviously from Asia. All Tarver source also is but I'm sure in the future we'll have even more in these groups and they'll probably split out these groups into more complicated things this is GonNa get Messier best year. But it's cool because there's a lot more tarantulas popping up all over the place so if you're a fan of tyrannosaurs you've got a whole bunch of new dinosaurs to look into in raptor world though as opposed to Toronto or world. Yeah Utah might have a new after State Park. You directors the state dinosaur so. There's plans in the works. It would be. Utah's forty fifth state park and this one would protect Dalton Wells Corey where Utah Afterwards. I found so that makes sense. There's not too many details yet. 'cause it's pretty early in the process but we'll keep you updated as we hear that'd. Be Fun Utah. After state park sounds cool for artists or anyone interested in illustrations. You can download more than one hundred and fifty thousand illustrations of the natural world via the open access biodiversity heritage y Berry so they have animal sketches watercolor paintings lithograph prints in black ink. Line work and illustrations go back as far as the mid fourteen hundred in the early nineteen hundreds yeah mid fourteen hundreds yet so that was back when these illustrations would have been all scientists had to go on fit in. Because you know they don't have pictures D also kinda track how the world's changing and then how our views of the world has changed over the years if you think about the different artists portrayals for the cool in New Mexico. The Museum of Natural History and science is asking for people to vote on a name for their new. Amtrak beastie beast or maybe beast. I am not too sure how to pronounce it. Dinosaur based on the real skuld. It's on display in the museum. So your options if you WanNa vote. Are juniper Bella Betty. Bailey and Bonita the beastie beast or beast. I base and voting's open till March. Fourteenth will give. You the wink if you want to do it last. Thanks to Daniel and Keith for sharing with us so the Royal Mint New K. released the dinosaur collection with commemorative fifty pence coins with dinosaurs. That show Britain's contributions to paleontology so there's three of them. They've got the three that sir. Richard Owen used to name dinosaurs megalosaurus iguanodon Don and Hialeah SOROUSH COINS RANGE IN PRICE. From ten pounds to nine hundred forty five pounds for the limited run gold proof which balance already sold out. So you won't be spending that much and geared. Already bought some. Yeah someone posted in our discord group. Hey there these coins and I immediately went to look at them. The gold ones are already out. Yeah I wasn't really even considering the gold ones because nine hundred forty pounds is a lot for a single coin especially one. That's worth fifty pence right. But the ten pounds once a little more affordable so I ordered the set of all three of those and it sounds like they're gonNa mail them out individually as they meant the individual coins helling time. I'm not sure how much is GONNA end up costing and shipping? But I guess we'll see something to look forward to in the mail. Yeah I think if you're in the UK the shipping's free which is what it says on there. Putin you know we're in the US so we had pay for international shipping. This week we also went to the gym show in Tucson for the first time ever people have been telling us about it for a long time. It's the Tucson gem mineral and fossil showcase. Yes so it's not just gems. Otherwise what would we be doing there? But yeah for shorthand people usually call it the gem show and it's the world's largest gem and mineral show and read about it while we were there. It's really interesting. It started in nineteen fifty five with one show put on by the Tucson Gem and Mineral Society at an elementary school. And now there's fifty different shows and they have even a shuttle service between them and they get about sixty five thousand visitors to Tucson for this show. Which if you count all the different fifty shows or whatever. It goes basically two months January through February January to mid February so a month and a half. Yeah we ended up hitting up. I think about eight different spots. We hit six or seven on the first day and those were all basically either fossil exclusive sites or places that had some cool fossils that we knew would be there. We'll one nice thing because there was no way we're going to be able to see everything was it seems to be depending on what you're looking for. They're all in certain areas so all the fossils were in one area of Tucson. Yeah the ones that had specific fossils within there were a lot of shows ahead an amalgamation of multiple things true so we probably missed a few fossils that were mixed in in these bigger shows but we went to all the fossil specific ones that we could. I think we found all the ones who the bigger displays to took picture so look at it or instagram for photos. Yeah so it was pretty funny because the shows ranged from a huge tent in a parking lot. I'd say that's what most of the shows were but some of them were in permanent buildings like there's a fossil and mineral society or something that when we went into that building so a second permanent structure and then kind of the opposite because each area of the shore. Each show has a completely different. Feel to it. So you've got the permanent structures like Gary was saying but then you've also got people who are set up in hotel rooms and you go to these hotel rooms and the doors are just open and a lot of times. There are gems and fossils that you can buy that are on display on the beds or sometimes the beds were removed. A still don't know what happened to those beds. It was interesting because it looked like some of these hotels were sort of set up for the purpose because there were tons of sweets on the first floor of these almost like motel style where you just walk from the parking lot directly into the door. And there'd be really big room and they would put in like beautiful display cases feel like shop. Yeah put his is literally just a hotel room and they would have little signs on the door telling you. It was a group from Morocco. That was selling things and you go in and see spinosaurus teeth but also some gems that were unique to Morocco. Or something right. We saw a lot of Opel from Australia. Yeah some of the rooms were just completely filled with boxes to. Yeah yes really interesting is definitely worth checking out at least once to see what it's like right. You've got the hotel rooms. You've got the permanent buildings. Then you've got people who set up tense just giant tents full of things and then the main show which is actually in the Convention Center and they give out awards. I think that might be why it's called the gem show because it like a dog show they award winners so there were blue ribbons on several things in display cases. Like this huge piece of Opel. It looked really cool right and they also offered lectures but it was mostly on gemstone so we didn't see any of the lectures. Yeah but there were quite a few fossil exhibitors that were there. That had a lot of really awesome stuff. The typical mega antiques were all over the place and as well as a lot of spinosaurus teeth tons of places in various other. Theropod Lisa. One giant spinosaurus arm to. Yeah those sort of articulated. It was a little unclear. How much of it was actually dug up out of the ground versus was replica? But it was one of the only times I've ever seen a spinosaurus arm. Recreate those neat and there was also a humorous one of the weird things about it is. I could tell when you're selling to a private collector versus selling to a museum. It's got a different style of preparation to it. Because a lot of the bones they would sort of over prepare. If there was an unique sort of Jim quality to the inside of the bone. There was a humorous where they basically cut it in half and you could see inside the humorous that way or they would show tease allow the mammals and they were kind of Polish down the two so you would see inside the teeth which obviously would make most scientists cringe because you're sort of destroying that top layer of the fossil but for a private collector might make it look a little more interesting the vendors at this show they know just as much as the paleontologist we've talked to the most in most cases. Yeah and we're a couple where there was like T- dash wrecks and we're like. Oh No what are you doing? Well small things. We'd actually weren't able to talk to that person. We didn't see them at their booths. But the ones we were able to talk to you could give us details about the corey. Yeah I think the best example was a dinosaurs of America display where they showed this diplock kiss combined with an allosaurus and dry a source in one bone bed which was actually near Dinosaur National Monument. Where they're still excavating there. I think they said there's some stegosaurs something that they're still working on. The back. Side of Corey has got a ton of overburden so even working eight months out of the year. There are three years in and still have a lot of work to do. So pretty epic excavation work happening there but they really cool thing about it. That caught our eye was. There's a bone in the front. That had really clear to scrape marks on it on one end of a limb bone so we had asked them what it was and what caused it because it really looks. Extreme like a large portion of the end of his bone has been gouged off by teeth and I think he said it was a Femur of a diplotic. If I'm not mistaken it may have been a humorous. I can't remember exactly which limbaugh was but a limb bone of diplotic kiss which has been chewed on probably by an allosaurus. Because like I said that allosaurus was in that bone bed with it and it was underneath and articulated. Allosaurus is that people were trying to buy just the limbaugh and that had been chewed on but yet by with allosaurus the you know presumably was chewing on it when it got buried. So that was the coolest find. I thought that we saw at the gym show. Yeah it's one of those things they kind of have to know what you're looking at and then you realize wow. This is pretty amazing. Yeah because everybody was looking at the allosaurus up above it even though they have a light pointed at the end of this limb bone. That has these crazy. Gouge marks in it. If you don't know what you're looking at people just walk right by don't notice how important it is. Yeah they were big to Kenner Miami like if you're combing your fingers in the sand those sorts of Mark's heels about that scale finger size gouges in a whole bunch of them kinda parallel. Yeah but in bone still. Don't really get how else ors was doing. That is crazy true and now like a dog or something. Yeah I found some cool art to one of the tents. Dinosaur brokers had a display and ended up buying send greeting cards from an artist too made its dinosaurs in ballet costumes. There are few other scenarios but I liked the Ballerina ones especially the one of T. Rex Black Swan the crazy makeup and everything and then we saw next. Two blacks on there was a thing it might have been allosaurus as the White Swan was pretty fun. They also sold a coloring book. This is an adult coloring book. So quick warning there it was dinosaur Kama Sutra and it came with some explanations. I haven't had a chance to read the book too much yet. But they said that it was based on at least some scientific basis. Maybe how the parts lined up. Yeah something Y- gem show was really cool. It was a lot of fun to check out all the different vendors. And see the scale of it. Because everybody's been telling us for a long time how massive it is and it's really massive in that it takes over the whole city more so than one individual location being massive and then see ads all over town for different sites to go to and then even when we went to some of these tents they said. Go Do our other location the across town. He is pretty crazy. But we didn't buy any fossils partly because we can't afford anything that's really awesome and also I think even if we could we'd feel guilty that it wasn't a museum but if we ever get our dream of opening a museum then we'll have to go there and stock up near you. Also coincided nicely with their Lantern Festival at the zoo in. They have little area of lit up dinosaurs which were cool including at T. Rex that moved. Us arms slightly back and forth. Yes and before we get into our dinosaur of the day quick reminder that even if you can't buy fossils at the gym show since it has now ended you can buy some dinosaur gear from our store and we have all sorts of cool stuff there so you should go and check it out. If you haven't already you could buy for yourself or for a friend. Who'S INTO DINOSAURS? But no matter what you're buying it for head over to bit dot L. Y. Slash. I Know Donald Store and you'll find some awesome unique dinosaur stuff. You can't get anywhere else. And now into our dinosaur of the day Equifax not to source which was a request from Super Mario Fans. Thanks it was an Abella sort theropod that lives in the late. Cretaceous in what is now. Argentina in the CANDELORO's formation. It's estimated to be about twenty three twenty six feet or seven to eight meters long so probably a little smaller than carnivores ethics and not disorders was robust it had proportionately short hind limbs and it could sustain lots of injuries from fighting. Listen interesting thing to say. That's based on what I read about it. It had a really large head and skull and the skull was boxy in short in deep it was a relatively high school similar to Scorpio Banadir and the jar curved upwards at had these small holes and spikes in the facial bones especially the nasal bones and it probably had a wrinkled possibly correctness skin covered these bones. Some of its teeth were short. There's only one species ethics Anada Soroush Nova Cy and the genus name means explosion born reptile. The fossils were found due to a gas pipeline being built so it was named because the fossil quote was discovered after its rocky tomb was dynamited. I sent a gas pipeline. Being built is worried about explosions of the gas pipeline. There's explosions while the species name is an honor of Dr Fernando Novas for his contributions to studying Bella swords and it was described in two thousand four by four. Hey Calvo David Rubella Rogers and Care Moreno. The type includes entries left and partial right. Next Day Teeth Vertebrae Ribs Ilia parts of the FEMUR and Tibia and more. Well that's good for dynamite. Discovery could be a dynamite. Yep Two ways it. This dinosaur helped fill in gaps about Abella Natta me equity Sonata Soroush lived among carcharodontosaurus which were bigger but it's not clear if they had different ecological niches hunting versus scavenging for example. Or maybe just different prey. Yeah other dinosaurs that lived in the same time and place included the Titanic Sore Andy source other pods like Lima's source and Nokia spondylosis. Iguana Danze Carcharodontosaurus giganotosaurus. These Romania Sora Beauty Raptor Alvarez Ohrid on the shed try and the sewer sore by into Naria and other different animals that lived there and the same place included snakes. Crocodiles fish turtles frogs mammals in territories and are fun. Fact of the day is that over. Thirty countries have made non Avian. Dinosaur coins have to specify the non avian part because most countries have probably made a coin that has a bird on it but the United States has never made a coin with an uneven ronit at least according to the sources I looked at because we do have the the avian ones and if you're wondering if a dies or coin has been minted for your country. Here's a quick list of all the countries and places which I found that have dinosaur coins. I probably missed a couple but I think I found most of them in alphabetical order. There is Afghanistan Austrailia Austria. Benin Bosnia and Herzegovina Burkina Faso Cambodia Canada China Congo the Cook Islands Cuba Equatorial Diana. Your Atreya Germany. Gibraltar guinea-bissau the Isle of Man Japan Laos Liberia Mali. Mongolia Nizhny North Korea Sierra South Africa to the United Kingdom Vietnam and Western. Sahara is not expecting that. Yeah a lot of deep cuts in this list. There was also a country named New Way. Which is a small island country near New Zealand which made a twenty fifth anniversary coin Jurassic Park. I think it might be related to the United Kingdom. Because it's got the Union Jack in the corner of its flag and I think I read that it was minted in another country like Australia or something. But interestingly the oldest dinosaur coin that I could find is from nineteen eighty-seven in Mongolia which is a pair of new MECHTA source. Fun Yes really cool. Because obviously new Mecca source is from Mongolia's. They picked a dinosaur from their area. But there was also a huge spike in dinosaur coins in nineteen ninety-three for a long time. I thought earliest times. Where coins were in nineteen ninety-three because they're all over the place especially in Africa Congo. You're a trail Liberia Western Sahara and some others all made dinosaur coins in Nineteen ninety-three obviously because of Jurassic Park. Although none of them have Jurassic Park branding on them. Unlike I think in nineteen ninety seven some of them actually have the lost world logo on going pretty weird. Some of those ones in nineteen. Ninety-three are pretty interesting. Congo has Abraxas AURAS. Which is standing in shoulder deep water which is Pretty Weird. I guess in Jurassic Park. They show the bracks kind of walking up out of a lake. So maybe that's how they got that idea or it's based on some older. Yeah but it definitely has not the current scientific thinking. Liberia has a career thesaurus with a crazy flexible neck. It looks like it's broken backwards. Almost like one of those Egyptian art things where they're facing one direction and their neck is facing really awkwardly and death pose. Yeah it's kind of like yeah. It's a lot like the death pos actually at subset it's Chin still facing down so it's like it turned one hundred and eighty degrees like an apple and your Atreya had a triceratops which came in a gold coin. Pretty cool so if you collect dinosaur things or coins maybe your interests overlap at this point because there are a lot of really cool conditions. We're going out there. Although a lot of them are pretty expensive. Because I guess that's just how coin collecting ghosts and that wraps up this episode of I know Dino thanks for listening. Don't forget to subscribe to any new episodes and chicken. Rpg PATRON DOT com slash. I Know Dino to join our community thanks again and until next time Tennessee.
Ep. 616: Fart Positive with Dino Archie
"Give little time for the child within you. Don't be afraid to the young and free under the locks and throw away the keys and take officials and sex and run you It's Jordan Jesse. Go Jesse Thorn America's Radio Sweetheart Jordan Morris. I come bearing gifts gifts. Well not not physical gifts but it's pronounced Jif so I come bearing gifts Michael Jackson eating popcorn. SPONGEBOB GOING WHAT UH-HUH DESCRIBING GIFTS I've seen. Yeah did you mean give I. It's something very special happened today. What's that well I I? I found a way to combine two of our two of the show's interests. Yes you of course remember the show. We do Sandy American college note. That was in college Oh hello humor force. Five are short improv grouping go but wins that come back. I rang back humor force five. I think it's the last time whereas at Santa Cruz I saw assigned for it. I think it's still exists. We're we're not in it. I know we should be flying back on our history jets a math Haley Jessica. Yes all the old member. Yeah no we eat. So we've been Walton coggins Duggan's sure his been as has been a topic on this show for some reason. Well I think he. He's on a television show with our friend. Rob Cordray sure. I've gorgeous here. And one of his Co stars from the show justified Is My neighbor. No Yeah Yeah we both. We both like Goggin 's Ascott. We love the severe hairline. Sure really intense. We love that. We love that stare stare that he does in everything whether it's trauma uh-huh or comedy or other similarly compelling in all contexts. I think Syr- would be just as compelling if he was one of those people who like feeds the like the sea turtles at the aquarium scuba suit and like goes. What if you were to? What they eat is very very small? Fish like Goggin was doing that and had that stare. You'd be like this guy. Deserves an academy awards right. EXAC released Turtle Feeding Ami Right. They don't televise that one. Yeah that happens at the Mary Technical and I. It's so but I but also on the show Joe. This is not something we've discussed recently. But we have a history of interest in celebrity vanity booze. Yeah absolutely so. Of course Dan Accurate Crystal Vodka. We've discussed who hasn't you only vodka with a ghost in each bottle. Danny devito's lemon. I'm an cello. It's a taste of life from this famous fellow We had so yes. Danny Devito's live Chela. We had an. I was remembering in an old Tequila. Oh yeah sure that's George Clooney's Casa migos now the only kilo with a pig pig in every auto pig stilt. Oh yeah because he used to have a little tiny pig that slept in his bed. Ray J's Gino. Archie really really once again on the program stand up comedian. I just was enjoying it and I don't want to leave outrage uh-huh moves. What's he has rage as giant? Dick Vodka I hate it. I like he stirs it Y- he's got scooters in ear pods with. We actually called making moves. No no it's just he is making those right. Yes what what spirit is ray j making. No He's not. I don't know he's got an alcohol right now. But he's doing weed and he's getting the tech and he's selling these these rideshare scooters Gotcha and air pods like like out doing the the air airplane. Yeah Tequila Keila cannot be far behind on this. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's in the world. I'm sure he's then go craft beer though maybe radio or for Dino Archie. I'm Jay Jay. I think that would be ray. J would be selling like hoppy. Ip Hanson territory. And mops. I know word celebrity needs craft brew. Okay yeah untapped market so our guest stand up comedian Dino Archie high cheese on the program. Welcome come to the show. I'm glad to be here but so dino for you to we've discussed Walton D- do you. How are you a fan? Are you a Gog camera different. I'm a AH David Goggin Fan. Who's David God you were talking about? No Walton Goggin waltzing. Goggin is. I know I know who. It is and televisions justified. All K- Unicorn. He's the titular UNICOR Unicorn. Okay Yeah WHO's David Goggin? I liked that guy. The guy you're talking about Walden is is I don't know much about it but I like he's good stuff. Yeah yeah he's he's when he shows up I'm not disappointed. He pops up okay. I'm okay with along. Johnson sings misbehaving in the fabulous thunderbirds. What set your call? The righteous gemstones gemstones best thing. That's happened on television last ten years. That shit fucking rule so good. I saw that I saw that with some how I was ended up in McBride. They guys is production spot. And Oh 'cause opening for Adam Devine okay. That's why I came in hot from doing snap judgment commit with our friend Glenn Wash. SF SKETCH FEST in January Jones. Have yes so I did got from doing the you know the the Jeff Max Fun of the girl from xbox console tight end so Fly In go to the hotel and like we're going over to you. Know to the studio man hoppy and dropped the shit. Go there McBride over the door. You're like they're real guy. Really look like this this man and and we all watched watch did together before it dropped and I was like this is this is changing the game so hell of funny cinematic in on time if you you are not seen the righteous gemstones Walton coggins plays. Oh I know yeah I liked that guy lot now. He is an ex house before old preacher preach and he has this like he's had like a Christian novelty song that was a hit in the seventies called like misbehaving misbehaving event features a list long list of things different types of misbehaving right colluding. Ben Koch Shaven and the piaster resistance is running through the House with a pickle in my mouth. Yeah that's really good. Yeah this is a very good show. If you've slept on the rice in gemstones onset doing running through the House with a pickle in your mind right when you should be watching the richest gemstones navy Goggin is a eh ex navy seal lunatic goddamn lunatic. But he's living the lyrics. He's really going waking up at four For no reason he's always run. He's on instagram. Okay no one has any too so easy to see like a John McAfee defeat type guy the guy and I like no that does more secretive fees is. This guy is like a motivational guy. But he's always like like he's talked rough. He taught he cuss all the time right. His cousins are funny. 'cause they're unnecessary but I like them. No you know. and He. He's just he motivate vague. you in a different way. And he's always running. It's like what are you running from. You know like okay you might want to look into that. But uh-huh I like what makes me because he's like in his forty mid forties and he's like I used to be a fat fucking line piece as to shit and then I started running like you're telling the truth. Yes running into his house. Had A we. We had a colleague would. We were resident not Brag Jordan. And I were both are as true. We took the. We'd we stopped the drum circles and we candidate dental dams for safe Malinga's so you guys. Okay let me get this guy's refund police. Oh we were absolutely fun but we love safe. We love safe cuddling switch pretty. We're sex positive sex positives are we at at a colleague and this this guy was I think may long as you're just. Hey just respect the rules about no tarantulas in the dorm Notre Angela pets. That's all we ask no open flames. We hadn't got lose. You were hard. Yeah are are as sure we were pretty chill. I think we flame. We looked the the other way on a lot of stuff. Yeah had to confiscate a couple of injury dues just because they were being used at inappropriate. Yeah Yeah I I think now you know all you need to know about where we went to college. It's kind of a happy hour instrument. Yeah so between five and seven you get you play the digital. Do you have some half-price Rice Nachos. We had a colleague that I think about a lot and I haven't talked to him since college but his name was nick and nick was tall he was. I'm about six three three six four in there and he was. I think a little taller than me and much more fit than I- extraordinarily fit and he was a really nice nice man but very quiet and intense and once I went to his dorm room to like bring something to him or pick something up from him. Dental dental dam see exactly. The linear fellow are as runs out of dental dams. I just had this one student who constant he would knock on my door at one o'clock in the morning looking for large size condoms week not not hyperbole. You Jordan knows knows who I'm talking about. Crank David was he. I ran into that guy in the valley once so my God it was he just as regular student. You know he was you know he was a regular student. A WORLD-CLASS SWEET DO F- And A- just had a huge huge bank was was. I don't know maybe accrue. Yeah I didn't actually see the crank. I went to Knicks dorm. Room one time and I we had become pretty close by which I mean that once at lunch she had told me the story of his Barracuda lit on fire while he was driving it. Okay and that's intimate. Yeah that would does this year with every story anyone else no I. That's the thing I think that was the most of himself yet. Ever revealed to anyone and our friend. Jim Royale who's been on this program. Many Times Jim Rail. How the master of would you rather and nick? We're in some kind of jeet. Kun Dough Fighting Club where they would always be out on the quad pretending pretending to fight until one of them pretended to kill the other one and then they would both nod seriously and then they'd go back into pretending to fight like just like showing what moves they. Would you do in different situations. And then when somebody like got their fingers to the death point on someone's chest they would stop and they'd go anyway. I was like the Sherlock Holmes movies. Yes right exactly right. It's anticipating what the fight would be like eh no Worldstar then I'm gonNA write tubular right jugular alert. That's how you win a fight parking lot so I went to his room and he opened the door and because as we were Ra's again. I'm not here to Brag but we got single room sure. We didn't have to deal with all that room and board. Yes yeah you were stunning. If you had your asure genuinely thought he had met me at like a room that they showed a prospective student's students there was no evidence a human being was in there and I looked at the table and I saw five textbooks in Book Book Ends Book ended on top of his desk and that was the only thing in the entire room that showed any evidence that human being live there and it blew me the fuck away and there are people who have this life. I don't know what's going on with them all I can hi. It's Nick was very nice. I liked him a lot though. I knew nothing about him sure he did. Maybe you didn't notice this but I wouldn't in his room to just totally bare walls. I I mean like just mattress pad with the blanket but on one wall. He had a bookshelf full of broken. Teddy wrecks. Yeah they're just going. We Love You Daddy. I'm you daddy was called. Is that guy. Sounds like In utter psychopath. That's right but all he's doing is less less clutter. Yeah he's just. He was just early on the CONDO. Conduit before Condo ever conduct. And here's the thing about it dino if you told me Oh yeah I know nick. Here's what happened. He was born eighteen years old. Not Born so much is delivered out of spore and then went to UC. Santa Santa Cruz. I'd be like Oh make sense. I wanted those those things cocoon yes cracked open swim and he is very the handsome self just walked gracefully and quietly out staring intently. And Jeff Goldblum the fly. Yeah sure and then. And then when he he reached maturity he walked out into the ocean and now occasionally he appears as a blue force ghosts and important moments in our life. We look to him in writing his flaming Barracuda right. Yeah watching over you so anyway D we also we for time we like to you to kind of. We looked like to look into the world of celebrity boozers specifically Danny devito's limit cello which has a delightful Italian style theme song. Bob Pop Jesse bomb bomb bomb bump bump bump bump bump Danny devito's Levin Cello. It's a taste taste of life from this famous fellow. Something something something nice something. Something called Arnold men coal roll on ice. It's the finest summer drink from Italy. Mia Msci try the finest something. Something something something. Oh you gotta try this. Yeah that sounds about right. Yeah so it's great. We discussed on the show that Jordan Jesse go listeners. Dad wrote that song. No we didn't yeah one time I sang it and he emailed me. Wow yeah commercial. Yeah performed at Man we gotta cut that Guy Check every time me sing it. Yes I gotta find. Another song is who who write those jingles aired like there I still remember some from Fresno Fresno Fresno jingles. Let's all of your a native of Fresno California California's beautiful into the soil and bounty alleyoop. uh-huh artichoke remember. There was one it was I was like eighteen. Sixteen sixteen whatever Asian it was for autozone flagging ours Alexander. And can that be this guy got in the booth Who ever recorded and he'd be like get in the zone autozone heat and that was it right? I know I'll never forget. I remember that very very talking talking about listening to giants Games on can be our sixty eight along with SAR. I've Sung many times on this program when the Boomerang go it come back you will to out back. Outback steakhouse out back. Steak House from the land down under. Wow Man these things stay with you and this was a little bit regional but I think we all love. KNX Ten Seventy News Radi. Yeah Yes to all the jingle dying art I love the idea of a guy just sitting at that grand piano in his apartment right sleeping hanging on this is rolled up. Yeah he's wiping off his forehead. He's crumpling up pieces of paper and throwing them in a pile next to his piano. He's like oh I gotta bring these is in for McCain Eric. Erikson's going to be there to Kane next ten seventy informational listening no Blah Fi. Get that guy. Sell the sizzle. Yeah but so but this is actually this comes back around to what I discovered today. So Walton Goggin and has a vodka Walton. Geoghegan's has vodka. It's called. I think it's called it. I think it's it's a variety of spirits but I saw the vodka. It's called like Mulholland distillery. So I think they do a lot of Various spirits and I was thrilled. Because obviously it's been awhile since we've discussed celebrity booze by a bottle but I think it'd be interesting if anybody out there has had Walton Goggin five to hear from them but also I was. I was just thinking about the theme song like as far as I know there is not a Walton coggins vodka theme song noodling on this I was just at the grand piano and I was crumpling things things. I rolled up my sleeves white. It's a baby. He says I'm not I'm not liberace over here. Yeah I mean. I wish that's the that's the dream some day when this jingle writing thing but but then I got on the phone. You're more of a Tom Jones with fix the Tom Jones Ethic Dick. Thanks GonNA legendarily thick dig. That's that's great great thick Dick Celebrity Swell Milton Berle. Yeah I guess I don't know thick back. I you know. Rage both both steph curry and debate. He had nude pictures released. I did not look at them. Out of a combination one of lack of interest and RESP- and presence of respect. You don't WanNa look at it. You don't WanNa look at a leaked nude realize they both had thick texture. Anyway if you're shoot if you're shooting from half court like Steph curry you're packing heat okay so anyway so it's like well this. This Walton Goggin. It needs needs a theme song to move because this is the first I'm hearing of. It was just seeing it in the store and I like this should be on everyone's lips and then I was like so why why. Why come up with something new when we can go to the past to a beloved melody that I think everyone everyone? Our Age loves time dreaming. Torri meaning of God ging's vodka clubs clubs. Let's let's let's keep angle that keep that in the maybe pile. It's a little hard and what I came up here. Walton GOGGIN HAS CO world same goods has Welton Gog ask about God and gets Walton coggins. It's it's it's simple Yup. Yeah it is. Yeah I know who it is. I know what he's selling It's a lot better if that is the problem ultimately with the when I was thinking of Gog who doesn't tell you what he said vodka and he's got it's okay again maybe pile. Yeah but I don't think we're GonNa Beats Walton Goggin says. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah you could add lives on it to get into my ad-lib back that's great. You gotta anyway so yeah so I think what are you going. Are you going to throw this out there and let it be someone. Take the idea around with. Yeah just on this in the universe. Here's as walk INS Vodka. Drink it all up now. It's vodka for you try EH. That's pretty good. Thank you listen I mean I. I'm open to someone beating it if you think you can be. Walton Goggin Vodka. The teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. I would would love you to try. Please feel free to hit us on twitter on facebook. Jj Go at maximum fund. Dot Org with a voicemail. I mean voice Memo War Two zero six nine eight four four fund. We want to hear your theme songs. Watan goggles vodka right and it has to include both Walton coggins and five. Because you gotTa know who's selling in what they're selling is Ainhoa. Say you guys should meet somewhere like at the top of runyon. You have the deal there the rise don or does August. You're you're up there. Yeah Don's good for me. I have something that's but I have something from dusk till dawn. Oh I'm going to be watching the movie from dusk till over and over and not more than two hours though who watches several times. Okay Yeah you can't do that. That's one of those movies that there are like weirdly nine nine sequels to really. Yeah there's the bus like tremors there's like ten tremors is also a comparable number of from dusk till there is I seen it. I've Seen It really myth. There's myths wow. I haven't seen any of them. But I've heard rumblings someone my dad. My Friend's dad another directed. DVD FROM STILL DON movies. Now that Vodka Song Jordan. Thank you but I think I think we've got listeners out there who can do one better. I'm glad to hear people just sing archipel into the telephone at run you or does score don. I WANNA hear. Somebody can do dusk on Monday. Dawn on Tuesday Wednesdays out I wanNA hear somebody pounded out on their baby grand. Oh yeah we got and listeners. With baby grants we might have a listener with full grant. We might have a listener with the mother fucking pipe organ. Baby Listeners O.. Aw Hey Listen Ray J. If you're out there you see like you might be a bad person to say who knows dino. You're visiting us from Canada. Well my friend Tony knows are friends Dave and grim. Tim Horan's on to more important. Tony Oh Geez. Can I make an apology. Now that we brought up David. Graham Ram few weeks ago on the program. I said that when I was in Vancouver last Dave Shokhin I went to the aquarium. Right Dave David Force ghost of Nick Dave shanker clarified on twitter at JD power. That he and I had never been to to the aquarium. And in fact I think what happened was I was okay. I went to the aquarium with Brian. Sunny D. Fernandez. A different handsome White White Guy sure and inflated the two incidents I I went at the suggestion of either Graham or Dave I had a nice time. There's quite a big. Big Fish petting area in pet raise. That's fun yeah very fun so I just WanNa apologize to leak. I WANNA apologize to Dave Dave. I want to apologize. Today's wife Abbey Road Person. I want to apologize to their children. I want apologized to Graham chairman although WANNA apologize to all of grams roommates whoever grams living with right now just a lot of dicey living situations nations. Graham it's kind of his thing. Is the apology. Yeah I WANNA be a most of all. I want to apologize to the Vancouver Aquarium into those raise. Yeah I Aksai should've remembered that I only don't apologize to his Brian. I mean kind of coming. Yeah I got a bone to pick with the aquarium. Oh Wow let's let's hear it. Let's here but let's hear about this phone. I don't have a bone to pick. Sounds like you have a bone to pick heathcliff style because you just ate a whole fish. Yeah well yeah. It was speaking of that. They want glad you brought that glaze. Let's say perfect back cuts out all the government's GonNa all day. You got the Beluga Whale doing the Dylan. His fucking dance. I fish singing for his soup right. Yup these new starving but he has to do dance beyond say. An SUV is one of the hardest foods this for a while. The right and they're serving fish fillets in fuck at the snag bar. Wow that's for sure but I mean I would be more insulted if they were mammal fillet chance. That's close to identify more with fish. Do Do you think he do with Mammal. Thank you would be insulted. If they were serving Krill fillets. Those are mine. Love to eat those. Am I a baleen whale. I don't Know No. Oh belugas are probably not probably what do you think. It's a Beluga Gupta a battling with my money to okay. Yeah I think the ones are the ones that will do. Tricks can get a baleen to do a trick because you can't hold you can't stand on a platform and hold on real but do we do eating. I'm night trying to do. We need that to anyone need to see. Does anyone need to see. I saw lion dance to a C.. Line right I looked in his eyes. Here's going right for no fish for kids to look into. You're welcome Ma'am want to catch a fish while he's moving sleekly through the C. Yeah Janet Jackson Rhythm The nation's routine right just for lunch and imagine this imagine if you dino or you Jordan or Jesse Thorn were forced in in order to get our favorite meal. Of course. It's cheeseburgers in order to get a cheeseburger. We would have to do go into water water and do a dance in there on the money to you. Know what I mean we gotta get you gotTa get right to an to an old to an older beyond say song. Yeah Yeah I would do more recent beyond my automobiles. That's good thank you. Yeah Wail Fiance Faraday So I wi- point is that it's it's undignified for the Sea Lion. Not only to have to dance for its upper but in a million which it is uncomfortable. Hey Man the choir preacher Sharon Nice to meet you. We're on the same side of this but that said I think I could get a baleen whale to turn a trick right. Well how do you. How do you own that ring on to turn earns some tricks right? Then we're on the same side what it is. Isn't that what it is to work at a water park. It is basically exactly my whole Dang. Say a fleet of poetry you get chain and Hook his little ass up. That's what I say. Wow Yeah turnaround. Ah turned around the sugar free Rather sugar free of Animal Park Employees Shirt man these zoning I like that that's where he learned the game but I mean I think we can all agree that we that we we advocate for safety and E and Fair Treatment of acquiesce sex workers. Yeah absolutely deserve our respect. Absolutely it's work it's work it's work. Yeah Anyway well Wales. Sex work is worth a lot of work around in the water there. Is this bit worth continuing. Dina's has been out for five minutes. I'm here okay I'm here. It's already covered. Yes covered it's undignified dignified right. It's like it's like an aquarium necessary. Sure it's unnecessary. It's fine to watch them in a SIMILAC RIM of their natural habitat habitat. Update to fucking routine. Okay you just want a newer accent. Sure for a show. You're putting on right. They do the kids. I need to see a show. I mean okay. Cool cool didn't update Rosie or at least the island. Yeah updated routine. That's my point right and we're something from lemonade. So for sure at least something from lemonade. If you filter insisted on using beyond song country song everybody likes her her so you so you said it was Dave Shell. Could you're whistle. You were captured. We're all cat I was I was thought it was. I thought it was David. TRUMKA turned out to be Brian. Sunny D. Fernandez that I was with And I think I just didn't notice Brian because you know when he's around I just try and put him out of my mind. Yeah Yeah he's a wonderful nice man beyond his hat. That's for Brian Dino. She sure all I you know what set short for dinosaur. Well that's the one I did one man and then afterwards I was like I couldn't have part Tom and I I think this is I wanna I WANNA have final editor this. Send it to me before you post. Full dinosaur publicist. It opens the studio door willing. We didn't even know. You had a publicist getting here. She's like Kat Dinosaur Pass right now we're talking about the new. Jimmy can actually from from my dad. I asked to later. I said man. What where'd you come up with a name? He said I was watching the flintstones and I was high. Ah Powerful so you so you could have been Bam Bam your dad up at a different point in the flintstones all pack anything man so did the other people I have a question about. The one sounds lease. He's you know how they have those cars. I don't think so. Alex is weird. That is this entertaining somehow but it. It is not a traditional comedy when when in the sense that it's maybe initially comedy like we talked about. You are uncomfortable watching being animals in servitude. And that's the only semi funny think animals are forced to act as garbage disposals. which which which seems like you would find cruel? Here's my question you know that. It's you know the flintstones car. Yeah we're Fred is goes with his feet feet and then you know the courtesy of its feet writer when it do other people riding first question do other people right in that car with him. Well yes he's taking the family to the Dr Arne somewhere. Yeah okay follow up question to that. Yeah that was what I was thinking. And sometimes he takes everybody to other people lift their feet up so they don't have to do. Is Everybody runs. I think the more people in a flintstone stone car the faster. It's going really I think so. I think that's Abie Baby. No the baby's not running i. You're right he's not run. AP's not running. Probably probably hold the baby or put it in. Some sort of safety would imagine. Maybe they put it in like You're right does does WILMA. Does she run. Yeah or is it only Fred Right. I do think she runs. I think if you're in the car and you're an adult you're running if you're a flintstones character. Brian looked. Yeah Brian. We're GONNA need some clarification Asian on the. Yeah the they all run run so four. Then what's the bets. That's trying to be funny. But that's what they're trying to be. It's a joke. It's oftentimes people were such fucking asshole. Writes such Romaine Rahmael Art. They made under innocent pterodactyls garbage disposal. He's amazing things an incredible achievement. These these are the people we want. Turning out are aquatic creatures at our house amazes different man. That's actually a getting fed post. That's true and I guess the classic joke is Tha Camera. It's a living yeah. So maybe they're they're they're voluntarily right. Yeah yeah I'm not assuming anytime a a an animal has a Gig doesn't want it. Yeah yeah no everybody has earned H it is just the way it is it is to be fair. It is hard for pterodactyls in the GIG economy. That's really true. We've all these APPs benefit pension. Yeah you're just and sometimes the company is taking the tips rights. There's a lot of reasons. It's hard to be a PTERODACTYL. There's describing Uber driver right. The parents are like well. Why can't you afford a nest? I could afford a nasty like well. Your generation ruined the economy avocados forgotten. Sure okay pterodactyl boomer on the car. THANKS BRIAN THEY DON'T I. I just saw a video where there were a bunch of people running in like a bus so I thought they all ran out they. The family actually doesn't run and there are some shots. Where we're Fred isn't even even running? Continuity starts the car and then it gets going. I'm not sure how but everyone on the bus runs. Yeah everyone on the bus runs except the driver is terrible. Why are we learning math? Are there even makes nothing makes sense saying anyway okay. Let's take. Let's take a bit. They go to break. We'll get into a PTERODACTYL. The Fred Flintstone in a toxic work environment right construct. It was a toxic mister slate. I'm just here to Break Rocks Jack O.. Texaco W. pterodactyls. We'll be back into Jordan Jessica along it's Jordan Jesse go. I'm Jesse Thorn. America's Radio Suites John Morris. Boy Detective Jordan. We got something on the jumbotron this week. We should do to Chris From and Hi Chris Rock Video. Let us all see a cat that says well. Hi I wanna see that again. I watch it when I got home more I love. I've watched it I I. I watched that eighty times. I am not viral. Videos are so good remember when he remembered that kids say the beard off of the. It's great it's okay. We anyway to Chris from Azure. Hi Chris yes you Chris Clanton I love you. You and I'm very glad we're married. I sure Jordan and Jesse would both love you too. If they ever got a chance to meet you seems likely yes I bet we would. Also I'd love him up and down baby all right. He's married man. I don't know if they have I. Well okay well. She gave permission. You guys are we'll everyone's it's very open minded in love and I don't think Theresa would be cool with it. Yeah well much. You don't know what what happens on the podcast stays on the. I'll be doing it on Mike. Also please enjoy this moment to its fullest extent. Because it's pretty much your whole Christmas present. We have a toddler and well. This is is all. I've got this year. Yeah that's what bannon toddlers like. 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John Hodgman with my friend John Hodgman at the Castro Theatre Confirmed we have booked the organ man. Wow it's going to play the organ the mighty were there at the Castro theatre. Oh you're not talking about raging raging. He's known as an Oregon Man S. F. Sketch Fest Dot Com for all those tickets. they're going to be great. SHOWS US we'll be back in just a second night Jessica Turlov. ooh ooh it's Jordan Jesse. Go I'm Jesse Thorn. America's Radio Sweden Morris boy detective Dino Archie nickname trip Lord. James Flare. Do you know said I can't because I'm wearing a ring dino's got a pinkie ring on Frankie Wing till I get a wedding ring. You know that vibe. It's your that's how it goes. That's the vibe classic basic vibe here I mean I listen. I've I've heard the songs while the seals are dancing. Yeah you gotTA ordering on it. Yeah sure my large to get out to the seal shows. I love to get out to the seal shows about a giant ring flipper when it comes to loving seals. This guy's irregular Heidi. That's true his role but they still so mary. I don't know if they're not still married. Brian Says No. It's all right P.. What chance to the rest of US have dead poster who they are? They're dead to me. I only liked them. They were married. Okay sure he'll was very funny and his pop star Pop star. I forgot about that. I got killed by wolves. Yeah good movie okay anyway. Hey we got called. Oh Yeah when something momentous happens to you like you remember how funny seal wasn't pop star pop star. Don't stop better never stopping so it's called Don't stop never stopping. That should be on most people's best of the decade list. Right sure should pop star. No best of the decade list is complete without it movie popstar. Somebody was just telling me that that was the one should. It's fucking hilarious. Shit here. The premise. I don't think I want to see a movie about that. You do yeah turns out you super. Do everybody's saying I gotTA ability. Yeah two zero six nine eight four four fund is the number to call when something momentous happens to you or send us your voice man memo at Jj go at maximum fund dot org before we go to the calls. Can I tell you two things that my children said make it three. Sorry make up with the last one. Get get fake. This is comedy. It's the rule of toos through to my son. Curtis Yeah who's two and a half years old. That's a fun. Age was is walking down the stairs in the back of our house. I was sitting in my office. I could just hear him but I couldn't. I couldn't see him. He was walking. I heard his lick halting footsteps is going down the stairs and then I heard and then I heard him turn to Theresa and say I did. That's weird that's good good. That's number one. The second one is same situation. Exact same situation with my six year old Oscar Oscar. That's a fun age. They're all ages aren't they. That's why you're not getting anything. This year. For Christmas I got a toddler and Oscars walking walking down the stairs and he tooted and he turned theresa and he said I wrote it down for Begum Real quick. I wouldn't. He said mom. Every time I feel gassy and I feel like I get shorter. You know. It's really nice. I wanted to uh-huh and what has this like vulnerable. Yeah I'M GONNA put all my all of it on the table. This is my. This is where I'm at. I like that. That's no ego all of Li Vulnerability. I liked that. Want to commend. You and Theresa for Raising children who are so far positive. Sorry our family. They're called dirt's dirt. Yeah the the F. Word of course yes but it's nice. It's nice to see kids who are not ashamed of their natural gas. Can I tell you something. That Oscar was not ashamed of today today he said Theresa and this is in the in the realm of being emotionally open and available right. He said Mommy I after tell you something. And she's like what's that and he said when we were staying at Rob's house which is our our friend Rebecca Sheriff Kaspar Hauser where we stayed for Thanksgiving. When we were staying? Rob's house I said. Hey Hey hey Alexa show me but and then I looked at a lot of pictures of butts. Wow how's the Alexis League. Hey are you sure. There's no right say you're right. He's not nude butts could be. I don't think it was the sexual the thing I think he just thinks it's fun. Sure Yeah Sexually Fund you know Alexa. I like big butts and I cannot uh-huh would you like me to add. Shopping really liked that one. Uncovering Front over here remember because I wish that was thinking. Oh my God that would do so much worse looking the gene. Yeah kids have butts at their fingertips. I say Alexa. Show me a toot. Yeah it'd probably it right there it'd be great doesn't give a shit sure. Yeah just like I just work here. I wonder what the first but it shows you is. Oh yeah anyway. Good stuff man Hey let us know what the first but you see on Alexa. Is this your first Alexa. But yeah are we going to get into a baby geniuses geniuses situation where people start sending US pictures of their butts you know I find that being their thing. Yeah Yeah I think so too. Let's we need our own thing. Let's see those those crank gentlemen my cranks the Voice of the one Alan who was saying. No you say Craig's I mean crags village from Ninja Eternal Alexa show cranks like okay. Let's hear a call eight Jordan got the UH Shit Ball I'M GONNA say tragic mcelroy so close somebody probably upsets Arizona's Travis mcelroy residence and friends came over French. The French for saying this man was smoking a fairly large blunt and he looked at me and he said hey man you want any some footloose and I thought to myself okay. He is offering meaty the strain of marijuana known as fruit fruit loops. And I say yeah sure. Expecting for him to pass pass the blunt and instinctively she reaches into his Abercrombie and Fitch Stitched hoodie grabbed a handful of fruit loops. And then just kind of taught me as if you were throwing snowballs someone I now need Jack in the box drive-thru I'm about to go get extremely extremely suited very high and figure out what what other tickets. This fruit loops may have had to go on drums. Iraq read his. Where was the fruit loops? Man where did he was it in the Jack in the parking lot. I think it was in the Jack in the box. Parking Lot. And he was offering him fruit loops. the loose fruit loops in a in a Hoodie Pouch Abercrombie and Fitch Hoodie. They come with real loosen. Oh well it's new things at af because you know death of malls and so right sure very hard for retail these days. You know I I thought he went too. I thought they were two different locations so this guy had the fruit loops tossed at him and then he bailed out his man. Ed gives his thoughts together. Yeah nothing he just went through. I just need to collect myself and go to a place where I can get eggrolls an talk radio seven breakfast and breakfast all in one big bag and you shake it up. It's called Jacks Book Bag. I remember with Jack came out. He was a hater. He came out like he was a hater man. He came out and elaborate on a great guest verse on how to Rob Rob he was like Taco Bell. He came out like to write like fun. Taco Bell Carl's junior. You Ain't Shit Burger King. A We Jack Jack is here. Can you youtube that. When Jack I hit the scene he was a businessman he catered slide right? Just Google Jack in the box how to Robbie Remix yes Jack sickest move yeah because he had the business sooner right he was corporate. It was respectable but he didn't give a fuck he had around head. Yeah and he had the nose and he was like what's up man. Let's get this money. Sure here twenty four hours. We don't we know. Oh you want one of those flat oval hashbrowns at one. Am can't get that is Taco Bell. Yeah nothing's ever we serve it all right never closed it never talks. He's got that knows and he's about that money he was like. I wouldn't be surprised if the lyrics she didn't have travel like he's like a core pre-bus never one. I'd be surprised if he didn't have a strap on. I know he has a strap close number two. I'd be surprised if he didn't have a strap on on both of them. I think right I think you want to see a bulge in the pants and if he doesn't have it naturally sure and WanNa tie a strap on on down there. Yeah I think that's likely but yeah I mean you gotTa Yeah you gotta be packing because being all these other mascots are probably getting for him. Yeah you got the king. You Got Ronald Ronald got a big day. Everyone knows that he's nuts. Clown Dick grimace does wait liquor asher big shoes clown big burger king. That guy's fucking he's the king so it only goes back. He probably has a small but he's the king so no matter what right. Yeah Jack came out of nowhere and he was like I pulled myself up by Republican bootstraps. Here I feel like he's conservative and business wise the liberal in in in sort of John McCain time he is. He's a rebel conserving. And he's like I gotta break into this business and I gotta do it the only way. Yeah I know. And he's sorry shitting on everybody. We're never closing. We're open on Christmas and we're selling them. Whatever whenever you spaghetti right? Yes your spaghetti with hot sauce on it and I don't know yeah you know who has the biggest hog in fast food five guys. Oh so why should they. Will you line up all the dogs. You're combining guys ever have you guys ever picked up there on average average size so they make with every there might befall Toronto like have planted for element. Fire one is water ones. Would of course have you ever Jordan picked up one of those in and out drink cups cups looked at the rim underneath where it says thick nine inch sure. Yeah have you ever looked like a chipotle polling Yeah like wisdom like woke shit. Yeah is there wiz wizard on it on it. Like a bunch of slogans. It's like this is important is like things don't go the ball don't neglect the ball. Yeah Yeah Yeah just asking to sit on their get a kid back wall. Well Oh yeah. Why keep listening on the lake up ten more minutes call well it now? Let's take another call okay Jordan Jesse Sunny D. and to just because I'm no good at that thing This is David from Milwaukee. Police My wife and I knew some people that distort it would rehab furniture until secondhand items and they were closing up to pursue new business opportunities cities. we went into the DMZ on their last weekend and they were telling us about a box of items clarity will happen to my moment that they sold earlier in the day. For a thousand dollars dollars They had another box with similar materials and they just needed to get rid of that point because they couldn't go on Ebay gone so they sold it to us for sixty eighty dollars. This box was ninety. Four vintage Swedish and French porno magazines. Most of the ones where illegal to sell and distribute at the time and these are still hardcore. There's full penetration on the cover. Thought you guys would appreciate us. Why we don't like to in his mask on his own capacity Walden Goggin Danny Devito's lemon cellos and McDonough land characters has the biggest? Dick must've been wild. Though in one thousand nine hundred seventy two You had accessed almost no pornography in less. You had a Swedish friend. Sure Yeah then you had it all just one friend who could bring an extra bag back on a trip home for Christmas. You know what I mean. Just one unsweetened I brought what you're what you on it. Sure some Zip Bush's for beat distracting. Yes but this poor penetrates kava is Jesus. Swedish vice. Don't know could be Novi Jay Age. Just be to American Aso's who are culturally insensitive traffic. Say off yeah I I finish meet in twenty four hours. I learned to do this dog magazines for me. All I want to see his hand getting fucked by nature fully into a crater. It's time before he dies two zero six nine eight four four. Is Your number to call two zero six nine eight four four refund. Jj Go at Maximum Fund Dot Org momentous happens to you or if you've got a new theme song for that Walton Goggin fucking vodka as long as it's as long as it scans with a nostalgic theme song. We WanNa hear it. Yeah I wanNA hear a fully produced I again. I'm not discouraging. Anyone and who's just going to call in and leave voicemails right. I'm not discouraging. Anyone who's just GonNa hit record voice memo in email it over Djidjiga maximum fund the LO FI quality. I fucked few against me and do not oppose if they play a little little sauce on it too sauce it up a little bit. Yeah go bunch of sound like a recent against me album. I'd I'd like to see I'd like to see if anybody can get you know maybe get a super producer involvement looked like mark. Ronson Nile Rodgers. Sir Mike will made it. Uh Ha ah the Neptune getting to you. Know what you don't even have to get Napkins. Just you don't even have to get out. Just get Chad Chad Hugo on on the be other. What if what if dre came out for this? Yeah this was detox reading here. That's Eddie Goggin. Yeah it's like when they're fucking hater Asian in the dancer Song dropped and you're like Oh shit. He's got the game on lock. He was quiet for a minute. It is it. Can you do it without Scott storch. That's question Jordan scotches nice man. Follow me on instagram. You've fall Scott storch. It's scotch combining the two. Well I think they should make sense. It makes sense. Did He. Make like a fifty million dollars ours is super duper producer and lose it all. Yeah and he's getting it all back. He was also in the roots. Yeah interesting facts about Scott storch. He's from Philly man he's like he and he just is. He's led this fingers. Do the talking he makes beats on the spot. This guy is instagram on instagram. Wow sounds like good follows a good follow man you know. This is a good time to announce now my new year's resolution get on instagram. Oh Wow I'm not on it. Why why do you want it? Well I think you know I mean I think mainly excellent showing Alexa not old enough. I know my mom said it was. Okay Hey you know I think just like you're missing out or you want to get a little community you know for kind of like maybe self promotion in guys thing. You guys operate because I gave up my my twitter account. Okay I got out this year. Smart don't Miss It. Yeah you guys rock on twitter Yeah I do instagram a little bit more and even that at times. I'm like man I wish is. Do you ever wish none of it. None of it existed. But you ever take breaks and come back or yeah I I think for for you. Know for for show Biz types. It is good good for the career. you know to be out there being funny and to promote yourself promote your things and podcast gets episodes these kinds of things but yeah I would. I would love it if I felt secure enough in my career to not have any kind of social media tall therapy. Would that be nice. I would like I just wanted to be in a star wars movie so someone will believe me off. Yeah I WANNA see pictures of my cousins kids sometimes to see how they're doing how they're growing up. I want to hear from the occasional friend from high school who I like And I want to see I did follow a scruffy dog doc named someone someone went in at put. Put this on twitter tweets. I mean instagram comments and wrote Jesse. So you need to follow at City Willy. And it wasn't someone recommending a dog it was the dog recommending himself. Oh we sliding DM. I am thirsty pooch and I was like this is bullshit. I don't number one. I don't follow dogs on Instagram. I follow people I know and Menswear Shit because it's it's my menswear instagram and then I was like but you know I'll tap on this name and see see what this talks fucking premium. I subscribe to that Shit now. That's all I want to look forward to on instagram. No more fucking Japanese guys in fancy outfits. Now it's all scruffy dog right right. Yes I think I would. I'd like to keep it but not promote anything. Yeah this as like a seven. Tumbler blog. Whatever I think I've been recording a movie scenes like if I'm late and like purple rain came on an Prince came in there after his Dad Clarence Williams play by him? beat up his his mom he comes in there and he's like where are you motherfucker. And he did this pin only it was only prince could do. He likes floated and turn. But he's acting and I just shot that scene like oh you I notice little shit and I'll put it up there like I need you all to see this too. Yeah are more Talkin Shit. That's what would I like it for me. I would like to follow an instagram. Just of Moore's day talking Shit yes sure rig Jane. That's that that was the kind of thing in the tumbler days. Now it will be fuck. Yeah more stay talking Shit. Yeah I would also be willing to download an APP that was promoted by Jerome. Just a mirror APP. Sure Jerome was talking big. She was fly man. I put Jerome Jerome on there. It is that you see that dude on like the he was maybe they were on the bt awards recently. I want to say they were on. I think it was watching them. Those mother fuckers are still clean is aboard health looking good dancer. Good singing good dude. Got Their Act to gather watch out county fairs because you're about again and Jerome. They look so good. They sounded so good. I was like fuck. Yeah girls come home with glitter on her young if ABC's anywhere near the vicinity even if she's just getting a funnel cake you get home and you're like how did this mirror 'cause my bad floor mirror. I JUST WANNA use it to like show moments of dope. Shit that I've downloaded in my head. Yeah you know kind of sounds great. One once I get on the INSTAGRAM GONNA follow you Jordan. I'm GONNA follow you. Hey thanks man what i WanNa see some pictures bug yell. Yeah I do have a cat that I think could be very popular. Oh again beginning box or something. He's a little fat part of your time. Yeah Okay Two zero six ninety four four fund. Jj Go maximum fun dot. We'll be back in just a second Andrea Jessica known the dead Pilot Society Brings. You exclusive readings of comedy pilots. That were never made featuring actors like Patna's Walt so from the future sleep in the dude studio during the day and they hunt mantras at night. It's blade meets the odd couple. Adam Scott and Jane Levy. 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I'm Jesse Thorn America's Radio Sweet Boy Detective Dino Archie Aka K. A. D. Geoghegan's dino by the way on the subject of reasons that it's unusual that Dino Dino announced I could pimp out a marine mammal. Because I'm wearing a ring. It just occurred to me. Dino walked in here wearing a warm jacket with further trim. I'm okay is that a warm jacket. I think it's pretty much a warmup jacket you say it's a warmer laid out of a tracksuit. Naw Mendes like well. It's is it like a bomber. I think it's like Shokhin Silky bomber. It's a fly of the Harlem. You know late in two thousand era. So you're trying you're trying to look in the dip set with this I. I'm not trying to be somebody I if I were to a say what for this for the listeners. Who came down man? There's a little bit of a dip of diplomatic over there. I mean if eh anybody out there and that's the shot out to camp because he's you know we all know who already computers. Have you heard the new album. Purple Haze too. Is there a new song about whether he keeps computers beaten. There's not but he's talking about Maury though always likes more lose more and more you heavy and a keeps computers Pune Win. Karen was at his peak. I was was like rolling my eyes at the at the dip set people. There'd be people who loved the diplomats Cameron's crew. They love them so much. And I'd be like God shut up about the fucking doc in dips and how. Because I was being serious at the time I was like I look. I like beanie Siegel or whatever. I like to serious wraps looking back. I fucking blew it so big time. That crazy silly nonsense. The camera and talks is like one of the best wrap things ever in history. Any he was wearing he would wear like he would have like a pink pink Raleigh Yellow Laffy Taffy colored coat and should the ankles angels that matched his Land Rover in the same color. Yeah yeah he We were wrong yes he deserves. He deserves his flowers. Wally could still smell a man. Yeah I agree you know a lot of rappers. Here's to you Killa Cam. Thank you Ma'am for tips at salute still doing it for the culture culture. He got a new album out. I get nothing in this I am I am a in our at Warner brothers. You've actually you've actually just used you're plug time. It's over. I Ah Koy rose up. Sorry that was the plug Newsday more than we're used you know you're not you're we don't want our Jim Jones fallen to know when they go chefs. Don't don't touch it. Yeah I've seen one on the shoulder where they got twenty minutes to make 'cause fucking key shows and it goes to five four in the guy had some limited chives the time with zero and he threw him on and everyone's like Oh. Aw Fuck dream be out there fucking throwing. We don't want to anger on. Anger are our brothers and sisters to the north so you can have an extra plug in to what are you up to. Is there. Tell people where they were able to see the Great Dino Arch when is this going to disclose tomorrow Aro baby Tuesday Tuesday yeah They can find me in the in the drip city capital Vancouver Canada. I'm doing a show January fourth in this case East is drip just refer to Patagonia vests. No there's a lot of that but this is very wet it's wet. It's literally physically literally. It's the coffee they like a drip coffee. They don't want to. They don't want an Americano all categories of drip postnasal. Yeah I'm doing doing this show. I'd do it annually on my birthday January fourth and is at the Vogue Theater and I have like four other dope ass comics From Canada I usually like Dave Martinez. Gavin Madsen guys that are in the states but they came from there and you know we do a whole like you know five of us. My friend friend. Tony Come Tony's of got VIP. Tim Hortons yes. Good vibe of party I have a DJ on and so that's the biggest thing I'm doing and other than that. I'm living life Manam. I'm touring out of there. I just got engaged in my curiosity. Chelsea you know as healthy L. D. and boring and fucking great. Yeah sleeping early you know. That's a theme early. The food digested right. You gotTA sleep early got to go to sleep you got some I gotTA. I'm working on some lamb chops in the Tom. Tom Right around eleven. Yeah Yeah Mandala. Life is good so you can find me dean. RT DOT COM or Dean Dino the beloved and Instagram spoiled cut off twitter. You thinking about doing Jordan. The beloved reconsider probably a soccer player Jordan Jordan the bluest eye. Maybe not that go over and over like they heard this rift that not to seem man to the pure skin in the talk about a Milky White Jordan Wanted to get away from the. Tony Morrison stuff. I think about having being to get my name on their name on twitter Jordan Morris. That already belongs to famous soccer player Jordan Morris. I'm sure probably from the Seattle sounders. Yeah in any way you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA end up with Jay underscore ordinarily. Yes more DOT ISS hyphen podcast on in sixty nine. Oh yeah sure. Well Gino Archie. It's been enjoy yeah. We'll see everybody. SF Sketch fast. In San Francisco. January January fifteenth at the punch line. Is that right. Correct Isis Fifteenth at lunch line We will see you in your songs about I watan guardians five right. Hey so so next. Next week we got a special live show coming at you with Alli girts and the DOE boys choice hot fire hot fire and out. There's a fire in the studio has nothing to do with the show being good. It's a worry yeah. Probably sort of a habit is a habit Eddie so so Bryant Fernandez has been nice enough. He's going to tack onto the end of that live. Show now some of the best Jordan Jesse go moments from twenty nineteen So if you have anything you want to suggest Just suggest a a moment hashtag. Jj Go on twitter. 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Ep. 516 - Trent365! - Introductions : Free and Powerful
"Tonight absurd. Five hundred sixteen of trained three sixty five interactions, they free and the powerful. Chatting to somebody just this morning. Who awhile back at me introduce him to somebody that I knew so that he can do business with this guy. And I must admit my initial reaction was well, I don't know that I wanna make introduction because if you start hassling this guy and spamming him with overload, then he's gonna get annoyed with me. But in the end, I made introduction, and guess what? These guys met a few months later did business. Everybody was happy everybody wins. And I think sometimes we get over predict protective without contact list without address book, and a lot of people believe that that's the Dada base. That's the value that they bring to another job or another company, and I guess that's fair enough. But I think there's serious value in making those interactions. And I also believe that, you know, people are responsible enough to deal with those introductions the way they want. If item want introduction of its unsolicited night have no interest. I'm going to ignore it. And the person who is sending you that information. Well, they've just got to accept that. If they're going gonna keep spam. You of course, you're going to cut them off. You know, there's no entitlement with that introduction. It's just an introduction. I can't guarantee how someone's going to respond orient to your query. And if they don't want the information, you've got to respect the fact that they don't and if you're gonna keep spamming them. We'll Cape hassling them about it. Guess what? Again, I went make any more introductions to that person for you to anybody for that matter, but I do think this series value in making those introductions and not being over protective and just letting individuals sorted out from me now, the other thing to think about I guess when we say, it's free my reputation is attached to it potentially because I've made that introduction. So that's not free, of course. But at the same time if I make an introduction, which is just that. I'm not an endorsement, it's an introduction. I'm saying you here's a guy that Scott product off. It's good or not Dino anything about it. You guys go and have a chat see makes any sense. So I do think like I said serious value in making those introductions and if. People don't want to go any further. That's fine. But I think my value as someone to connect people and introduce them, I just think that only adds value to people on both ends of the equation, and frankly to me in the middle as well or let's thanks for tuning. I will be back again tomorrow. So yeah.
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So the main thing was that you as a mother. I had to keep my emotions in check. I was just. They're trying to keep her calm and not upset not afraid because I needed to get him. Punished felt it was just instinct. Somebody's hurt my baby. They're going to pay. I'm Natasha del Toro. And this is verified in the last episode Maria one of the women that Dino had abused found some shocking news in an online search dino had been arrested for sexual assault So far the series. You've heard about terrible heartless things that dino did. He attacked women from all around the world. Women who came to Italy vacation. And who probably felt safe booking a night on a cops couch dino got away with this incredible abuse and coercion for at least a year whether it was the fact that he was a cop getting some kind of special treatment for the fact that these were young women going to police with no incentive to change their stories. Whatever the reason nothing had taken dino off his game that is nothing until the story you're going to hear today and dino downfall began because he underestimated one of his guests. This time it's a mother who stays common crisis and who doesn't back down to. My daughter had been on student exchange in Switzerland and I wanted to take my girls on a holiday but being that. I'm a single mom I needed to do it in the cheapest way. Possible is Belinda. She's from Australia and she's got two daughters. Tiffany who was eight years old at the time and crystal who was sixteen. I should mention here. That crystal didn't want to be interviewed for this episode. So Belinda is the one that you're going to be hearing from today so I thought couch surfing would be a good idea and I would do it safely. Only stay with women or families. They decided on Venice and it didn't take long for Belinda to find Dino's profile. They was some comments on his page to say that he was a nice guy and that they had a great time staying with him so I thought well being he's police and there's some nice comments it should be okay with both of my girls Linden. Her daughters arrived in Padua. They got the typical gracious Dino Treatment at first he was very nice and showed them into the guest bedroom the first day they toured around and Dina went to work and when we got home for the second night that we were staying there. He decided that he would make Stena so he cooked dinner. And then that's when all of it happened at dinner. He offered them wine. Belinda turned it down but she didn't mind that crystal had a glass. She trusted her daughter and she trusted dino after all he was a policeman I went and took my younger daughter to bed and fell asleep and my older daughter stayed up and obviously had not just that drink but another apparently so he was. Obviously you know trying to give her more alcohol and trying to give more than what she could take And I obviously was not aware of anything else happening until the next morning when I woke up crystal was supposed to be in the bed next to her and tiffany. But she wasn't. Where was she? I ran out into the kitchen and couldn't find her so and into the lounge room and was searching the house and so the only bedroom was left with his bedroom and the door was closed so I opened it and walked in and she was in his bed I tried to white harrap and get her up but she was obviously very drugged And couldn't stand couldn't couldn't talk. Couldn't walk when Belinda saw crystal lying there. She knew right away. Dino had done something toward daughter but she didn't launch into accusations because she just wanted to get her out of his room. She couldn't lift her by herself so she turned to. Dino and asked. Can you give me a hand? And he helped me carry her into my bedroom and I could tell that it wasn't just a normal. You know too much alcohol or something. There was something very wrong I noticed that she didn't have her underwear on it with just just her dress and he was trying to sort of be confused. Oh I don't know what's happening. Kind of thing. Belinda wasn't polling for his act and everything told her to run but she couldn't do that yet. She needed to buy some time because I she couldn't talk couldn't walk so and I wasn't capable of taking both girls and all about things out of that house straightaway. I just barricaded so I pushed furniture and the luggage and everything against the door as soon as I was in the bedroom Until I could figure out what to do so I was. I know from saying photos. I knew that he had access to guns And I didn't want to get into any more trouble so I didn't confront him or get angry or do anything. I just wanted to kate. My goal safe so I- barricaded us into the room until I could get her to function so it was between five. Am till about ten am that at took her to start like to be able to actually get up and walk and talk and be reasonably normal as soon as crystal gains consciousness back. Belinda asked her questions did dino have sex with her yes he had had use a condom crystal. Wasn't sure I was able to ask her if it was consensual so and she said I kept on saying now I kept on saying no. I don't know what he's given me and I said so if I get this person put in jail. You happy for that. Are you happy if he goes to jail? Forever said yes. I definitely want him to go to jail. I definitely said no Belinda. Didn't think she could call the police. Because Dino was the police she figured the best thing was just to get her daughters out of there she helped crystal get dressed and somehow in the middle of all that chaos she remembered to not let her clean up and not take a shower You know obviously I always felt that anybody that's in. That situation needs to act quickly so that this evidence is still there and because evidence get were gets washed away. Time pass by. Yeah you need to act fast and make sure you don't keep quiet. Crystal was finally able to walk. And so they took down the barricade and open the door. All they had to do now was get past dino. When we came out of the bedroom he was sitting in the kitchen and he was trying to say. Oh come on stay. Don't make a big deal of this. He sort of was trying to make light of it and didn't want to confront him so I thought the safest thing is to get out in the end he just let them walk out Out on the street Belinda decided. She couldn't risk going to the PADOA. Police Swear Dino might have friends or protectors so instead she and her daughters took the next train to Venice about half an hour away. She thought police might believer there. We waited for an hour or two and finally a train came. And in the meantime is trying to get crystal to Going over it and going over it so this is definitely what happens. What happened then. What happened what happened is trying to piece it together in her getting frustrated because she's beg and chopping in and out of sort of explain she was just very vague and she was still under the influence for quite a long time so yeah was taking a Zombie into Venice with a younger child. Seem like the trip took forever. Belinda had two kids in Tow and two huge suitcases that have lost their wheels on the Venice stairs but they finally made it to the police station so in Venice. They took me up to the detectives officers into the main part of the police station. We spent most of that die interview after interview with all different police officers actually all of that day until why into the night where they took her to a hospital yeah. They took her clothes. They did a a rape kit and blood tests and crystal was very upset. So the main thing was that as a mother. I had to be strong because if I fell apart then they wouldn't be anybody to take care of. Everybody after crystal recounted again and again dino did to her. The police took action. They went to Dino's house told him he was now under investigation for rape and they searched his whole place in Dina's bedroom they found crystals underwear draped on a chair and in his kitchen they found what Maria and Miriam his prior guest from Portugal had frantically been looking for. They found drugs. It was Benzodiazepine to be exact. It's kind of tranquilizer that can be used for anxiety but it's also one of the most common date rape drugs out there and it's especially dangerous. When mixed with alcohol it can lead to blackouts and memory loss benzes can also cause slurred speech and they can impair judgement and that can last up to three days. All of the women described having these same side effects. Benzodiazepine was later detected in crystals urine sample. And when Christie's Rape Kit came back. It tested positive for his semen. At this point the Public Prosecutor Giorgio. Falcone was ready to pounce on Dino to arrest him to his great surprise dino kind of moved I he started cooperating with police and promised them that he shut down his couch surfing. Profile Dino also offered to come into the paddle a courthouse for formal questioning to speak on the record about crystals attack so phony decided arrest could wait. He set a date to get dino side of the story. The main reason that Belinda trusted dino in the first place was because he was a policeman. If you WANNA see a picture of what dino look like in his police uniform text the Word Five F. 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Just go to better help dot com slash barricade to get started today. Fill out simple questionnaire to help them. Assess your needs and give matched with a counselor. You'll love that's better help. Dot Com slash verified the also ranged for. Belinda crystal to give their testimony after Dino but they had to wait ten long days to do it to pass the time. Belinda took the girls to France and Rome. It was a way to distract them and she felt that they would be safer there than in patio. Dino lived the Venice police even asked a colleague in Rome to show them around for extra protection on March twenty eighth that court date finally arrived and Belinda crystal returned to the city where this whole nightmare began crystals testimony. That day was videotaped and the tape is public record. We're GONNA play parts of it for you here. But it's hard to listen to in the video. Crystal is sitting alone at a long. Wooden table with microphones. Set Up. All around. She's there to rehash the details of her rape yet again to a new set of strangers as her mother walks in crystal breaks down. Crystal has just found out. The Dino wasn't in jail she says there's no justice to pay for what he did. Stop Stop things just get away with? Belinda sits down next to her strokes. Her hair and crystal leans into her mother's shoulder visit. He doesn't even think he doesn't even get any punishment he's going to prison. What the Hell did you do? Need it crystal is ready to stop. She doesn't trust the testifying. Today is going to do anything. Belinda does her best to encourage your daughter and let her know it. All be over soon just survey promise. We Talk. Make Ede tip. He'll getting himself sent giving her headaches. Now come in detail. There's nothing we can do. You explain story. I hate to their at their most desperate and then a psychologist enters the room and introduces herself. Chris could he stopped. Leyla not my yes. I am cycle. The psychologist doesn't speak much English but she's gentle kind. She sits down next to crystal clear. They can't communicate easily but they try crystal uses fingers to signal a scissor motion on her hair said now the drugs. Linda starts rubbing crystal shoulders and she seems a lot. Calmer now than before but the minute. Belinda takes her hands off and starts to walk away. Crystals doubts return to Belinda. Encourages her to keep going otherwise nothing will happen to Dina might not be considered through says something. I am the judge when the judge comes in she explains to Crystal Dino Mangaliso is not in the courthouse but his lawyer and the Padoa prosecutor are in another room listening. You know in this moment here. We are crystal becomes really focused. They're all women in the room now. They're all sensitive to this moment. This young girl and what she's gone through become a win. They talked to crystal in soothing tones. It judge gently asked Belinda to leave the room and something ships in crystal. She sits up straight. She crosses her hands on her lap and she looks the judge straight in the eye as the translator begins. I didn't exactly what I knew that I'm here to translate for this case. And it's a Case News Rape Crystal corrected the translator there. This was raped. When did he have seventy? Where did they go through? The police report line by line up until the moment when Dino started undressing hurts. Do you remember where your knickers? Ventolin took off you before penetrating. Do you remember where they were left? I only remember him taking enough. And that's when I was aware was about to happen. That's when I wasn't asleep at I blacked out and that's when I had visual again. What was happening. I was saying. Don't in the. He was shot. Crystal doesn't flinch. Even when the judge asked about the most personal details international cooperation we see now is a girl who's poised patient determined to tell her story even if she knew it was her word against the word of an Italian cop with crystal did not know is that it had been a very hectic day in that courthouse because Dino had been in that same building earlier that same day just minutes before in fact hit arrived with his lawyer as planned to submit to questioning with thou- Konate the prosecutor and his version of events was very different. Can this is an audio recording from Falcone's office that day for the first time you're hearing Dino's Boyce? Ccn another juggle such a perfect. He seems nervous. He's talking fast and giving lots of unnecessary details and building better being on my own Lama. The whole conversation took place in Italian. So we've gotten actors to read a translation of both foul CONAN's questions in Dino's answers delay. We'll talk with you about this Valley Shepherd Laura Alex Psychology while you were having sexual intercourse both overall. And what did the girl say he'd be object was actually? I was asking her. You like it. I'm sorry she said yes but I repeat if it was violent I would imagine a person would shout would do something or at least squirm and say to stop but absolutely not then. I don't know if later talking her with her mother. She turned the story upside down to make a bad impression. I can say that I remember that she was not a virgin absolutely not. It's not even thirty minutes in and Dino admits yes. He had sex with crystal an underage girl. He says she wanted. It was locked. Dino's lawyer asked him the question straight up. So was the drug given to the girl the question. Simple and dino hesitates do I have to say yes. Who was his lawyer tells him? He has to explain what happened included prosecutor. All three of us have always been in the same place. I mean it would be crazy to such a thing with the mother at home yet if I have to well. There are a lot of things here that go against me with me sir. I did other things can be admitted beyond the truth. You don't miss. What do I have to say that I put it there is did you? What did you not? You don't Mesa. Well I put it there prosecutor I did. I don't know how I managed with her being always there. But when did you give it to her? Hey mentally while we were sitting there. I put the pill inside him. Data moreover it is not even soluble. Dino admits this to as if it's not that big a deal he put the drugs in crystal's drink but he saying he didn't mean anything by it little hockey. I don't remember the name of the Drug Benzodiazepine Changhua whatever it was. It was the only drug I had in my house. Because I don't have any others. It is as the police found when they seized everything along. Let me understand the did you. Did you put this tablet in her drink? Maybe scrambling or No I I didn't crumble anything prosecutor. I put it in her glass on on. You Know I. I don't know if it melted how it went but I put it in the glass prosecutor. Why did you put the drug in her glass? Shame on because because I'm an idiot I don't know I don't know what to say I think about it. I don't know while as what purpose the what end. That's a good question. I had no purpose. Non Dimensional services things have to weaken their resistance than have sexual intercourse with her label. No why would I do this? Also because it was not my intention Nila on chill about lower it's breathtaking dino is on the one hand admitting to drugging crystal while her mother and younger sister slept in the next room but on the other hand he insists the whole thing was spontaneous and that the sex was consensual that she wanted it. But Dino's twisted logic is not gonNa Work Falconi finally has enough to get dino arrested. He wants him behind bars. But the judge will only agree to place dino under house arrest for now so that night. Three police officers arrive to Dino's house to enforce the order of arrest when they get there right by the door they see two suitcases and they aren't Dino's an as my yo. What are suitcases doing here? Who who is the owner of the suitcases? That's next time on verified. I'm your host Natasha. Del Toro This season a verified is reported by LSU Toronto La Sicilia honesty and Julia Regino of Europe. Investigative Reporting Project Italy. It's written and produced by me. Natasha del Toro. Suzanne rubber senior producer. Dan Bloom Bruce Edwards. Rachel aaronow Joey Fish Ground and trae Gandhi additional production by Grant Hill. Our editors are Peter. Cloudy Jonah Palmer and Ellen Weiss Engineering by Casey Holford Bruce Edwards and Robin Wise. Our theme and original music are by Allison Leyton Brown special. Thanks to our actors. Danilo Otani and Giacomo Kinney and also to Andrew Hague for our collaboration with ground source. We are particularly grateful to the many women who spoke with us both on and off the and trusted us to tell their story verified is created by Suzanne River and executive produced by Suzanne Reaper. Ellen Weiss Peter Clowney and Chris Bannon. The show is produced by scripts Washington bureau in collaboration with witness. Docs A stitcher network. There's so much more for you to discover about this story. And what's coming up on the show? You can find us on twitter at bear pod and at verified pod on instagram and facebook. Or you can write to us at verified pod at stitcher dot com if you like the show and believe in this kind of storytelling. Please give us a five star review on Apple podcast. It'll help more people discover verified. Thanks for listening
King Kong Lives (1986) | John Guillermin
"I welcome to around the world in eighty s movies. I'm Vince Leo. I'm the author of the Film Review Website. Quick Stir Dot net and be doing film reviews for over twenty years now since nineteen ninety-six and can read all of them at that site hipster dot net Q. W. I p. s. t. e. r. Dot net. While you're there I do encourage you to check out the link for my other. Podcast called the Webster Phil Review. Podcast look at new movies that I'm interested in or just WanNa talk about the can find that link aquit stor dot net today. I'm going to be getting into the third part of this. Three part series looking at films that feature eighths as one or more of the main characters. Today I'm to be looking at the sequel to the film. I covered in the last episode. And that is the sequel to King Kong called King. Kong lives came out in Nineteen eighty-six it's a PG rated film it does have violence frightening images and language. Runtime is about an hour and forty five minutes. Linda Hamilton and Brian are the main stars. John Ashton Peter Michael Goetz Peter Elliott and George. Yasuo me WHO's also known. As George Antoni get supporting roles the director is John Gillerman and the screenplay credited to Ronald Chestnut and Steven Press. `field if you listen to my review of King Kong you know all about a lot of the production that went on there one thing. I didn't really explore too much. Was the sequels that the plan Dino de la Renta's the producer of that nineteen seventy-six remake of young. Not even halfway through its production. He already started to plan. For a sequel really a quickie lower budgeted sequel to try to make during or maybe even after shooting the main feature. This was a bold undertaking US trying to make a franchise about this character who dies in the first entry as of May of nineteen seventy six many months before the release of King Kong. He was already envisioning an idea. He had for King Kong in Africa also called King Kong in the jungle and he commissioned his screenwriter King Kong. Lorenzo simple junior to work with a fellow writer. Joanna Crawford to come up with these story treatment in a hurry. The treatment involved a group of scholars who tried to resurrect Kong in the style of Frankenstein. And then he would be used as a weapon by I guess Evil People Dino told Joanna Crawford to give him a completed script within thirty days so that he could start working on this sequel before King Kong was even in theaters. He had a contract that gave universal pictures who also wanted to come up with their own. King Kong Movie. A profit share if they waited eighteen months after the release of paramount and deliverance is King Kong to release their version. Dino felt that if he had two or maybe three King Kong films out by the time universal came out with there's his films would already have become the undisputed Kong franchise in the minds of many moviegoing audiences by November of Nineteen seventy-six. Join a Crawford estimated that. She was on her ninth. Rewrite of the King Kong in Africa idea now it was going to carry the title of King. Kong part to the story took different directions throughout all of those revisions including not even having it in Africa one involved King Kong fighting Russians and submarines and helicopters dino even flew out to Russia very quickly to see if he could secure locations for his shoot in another revision. Kong emerged in New Mexico with a native American leading lady. Now is maybe speculated to be an attempt to lure share who has a strong consideration for the nineteen seventy six film but she happened to be pregnant at the time and didn't take it Crawford also considered remaking the sequel to the nineteen thirty-three version of King Kong called son of Kong which was released also nineteen thirty-three but she wanted a female Kong and to have more feminist themes it would be called daughter of King Kong but Dino diller didn't think that a female ape film would make as much money as resurrecting King Kong so they decided that they would postpone that idea to a potential third movie if they decided to have one Federico Fellini who collaborated with de Larent- is a number of times revealed to Delaware that he would have directed King Kong if he had asked and do asked. Hey great why don't you do daughter of King Kong? Obviously that never came to fruition toward the end of nineteen seventy is King Kong Dino did pass around many contracts to the lead cast members as well as members of the crew to get them to sign on for its sequel with the stipulation that they could not work on any other films featuring apes that clause was likely put in there to make sure that universal pictures did not employed the services of Dino's members when he needed them most cast members and crew members took a pass. Jessica Lang was already under a seven year contract. But the contract allowed her to do one non de Larent- film per year with his approval which he never gave because he was miffed that she led it be no publicly that she did not want to do anymore. King Kong Films Dino Joke that he would put her in the sequel anyway where her character doin with achieve her goal of becoming a big star and then his resurrected Kong would find her woo her and then suddenly devour her shocking audiences without his approval. Jessica Lang signed up to play a part written for her by Bob. Fosse in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine all that jazz. Deano didn't even know about this until he read about it in the trades and so dino call up Lang and they began to work out a deal that eventually got her out of the contract in nineteen eighty due to the entanglements still on the rights between Della Rentis Arco and universal as to who gets to make the next movie and whether a sequel could be made until it gets hired out dino knew he would need to get the blessing of universal which are not only still miffed at Dino for stealing their deal for a conch film outright from under them but because he attempted to capitalize on their jaws franchise in one thousand nine hundred seven with his own version called ORCA. The killer whale to rub in dino threatened another idea of combining the two by making a film called King Kong vs Orca now Dino had other ideas to capitalize on Popular Trans and that included entering into discussions with Fred Silverman who was then the president of ABC. He wanted to continue Kong either as film or TV series the success of TV shows like the six million dollar man in the by women coincidentally maybe not they were also universal properties that inspired him to think of making the Bina Kong as a way of bringing his character back to life by nineteen seventy eight. He returned to the movie idea. He wanted to make one again involving Russians coming up with another title called King Kong in Moscow for this. He actually did sign on the director of the nineteen seventy six film. John Gillerman to return if he was going to make it after it went into dormancy phase really struggled as to how he could make a follow up to the nineteen seventy six film. The death painted him in kind of a corner. Didn't want something that was going to be instantly laughable to the public but King Kong. Even though it was just kind of a modest hit at the time it proved to be a resonant hit in the video rental market enough to suggest that a sequel could still do quite well de la. Renta's began looking again at following it up. He talked to many writers to come up with a concept he approached screenwriters to concoct a way to bring Kong back to life or devise a way in which he never died so that he could come back for round. Two even king who collaborated with a few della rentis productions including maximum overdrive which he wrote and direct for de. Lorette he declined the offer by Dino in the end Ronald it a screenwriter and also producer of his works Dido called just at one of the few crazy enough to come up with a completely original idea which is what he wanted. He was one of those screenwriters that dino sought just its claim to fame had been writing the original script with Dan o'bannon and he was working with o'bannon again at that time on the script. Total recall which at that time was Della. Rentis production just at an his collaborating writing partner. Stephen Press `field press field was also helping with total recall. They came up with a sequel idea son of Kong but a different one than the one from the nineteen thirties in their version. They wanted a teenage version of Kong. An offspring that was found that would be the main character but unlike Kong this teen con would suffer from ACURA phobia a fear of heights and the climax of the film would echo Alfred Hitchcock's vertigo by having com. Junior have to scale the Eiffel Tower to save a teenage girl with whom he had become enamored after she gets kidnapped by terrorists now dino who had a lot of Kooky ideas himself did not like this idea of doing another movie without the original Kong. I and he lamented that. He couldn't find a way to do that given that he died in the first film so he said if son of Kong was ever going to exist they would need to bring back King Kong for the next film. Find a mate and then they continue the franchise with this offspring of con- so brainstorming yet again shit in. Pressfield's came up with their bridge film whereby Kong survived the fall from the World Trade Center. And he's been kept alive on a respirator. Awaiting an artificial heart dino thought. This was a brilliant idea. He thought that audiences would by this. But do you know was not so convinced about this? Other female Kong being found thinking that King Kong was a unique entity on earth. Shit impressed feel told Dino that King Kong had to have a mother surely there must have been others others that have not been found at some point and so they persuaded him to see things their way. They pitched their idea to this lady. Director John Gillerman who dino had moved off of Tai Pan at that time to put on King Kong lives and they all crafted the sequel that we continue the story from King Kong but not rehash the plot no foul no Kong. Rampaging through the city the main character of this film would be a man of adventure in Indiana Jones type. Who and the conflict primarily would take place out in the untamed areas of rural United States. Another factor in the favor of releasing nineteen eighty-six up Universal Studios tour at that time set June of Nineteen eighty-six to unveil their newest attraction called the King Kong encounter in which visitors would experience being shaken by a rampaging Kong as he appeared in the nineteen seventy six film and this seemed like the perfect opportunity to get king. Kong lives into theaters while it was in the Zeitgeist of the public in Hollywood to further. Increase Buzz D. E. G. Delegates Entertainment Group petitioned for King Kong to get it star on the Hollywood walk of fame the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce though rejected that idea despite a few petitions from other organizations now because all everybody was out of contract by this point none of the original cast desire to return except using archival footage shown in the introduction to the film that depicts Khong after he gets shot down from the top of the World Trade Center and falls to the streets below. We come to learn that Kong improbably survived. He's been existing in a coma for the last ten years on life support in giant lab facility in Atlanta awaiting a giant artificial heart to replace the organic one that can no longer support him without medical assistance. Kong also needs a lot of ape plasma for the surgery but there aren't any apes like him to give the blood at that time the lead heart surgeon. Dr Amy Franklin played by Linda Hamilton. She laments that only a miracle can save Kong now that miracle does arrive a soldier of Fortune named tank Mitchell. He discovers that there's another giant ape in the world while he's out there scouting for diamonds in the jungles of Borneo. He finds a way to bring the female ape back to the United States. And there's no real explanation about how he stuff the Tinton beast into an airplane but he brings this back four fortune and glory. The lab needs her plasma but to apes sense the presence of each other immediately. Which makes it particularly dangerous for humans trying to keep these two apes from doing what apes wants to do. Naturally the APES ESCAPE THEIR CONFINEMENT. They run away as fugitives. But the scientists can't have these two roaming the great smoky mountains wrecking havoc. So the military led by the tenacious. Colonel played by John Ashton. He's called in with the army to take whatever measures are necessary. And now it's up to Dr Franklin in Hank Mitchell to lead calm and Lady Kong to safety somehow during this time de la. Renta's had recently bought embassy pictures and he did that so that he could distribute his own films under the banner of the Della Rentis Entertainment Group digi as I mentioned earlier de la Renta's afforded the film initial eighteen million dollar budget four. What ends up mostly playing out like this dull and labored soap opera with giant apes in May of one thousand nine hundred sixty g made a public offering of its stock to try to gin up a little bit more money for the struggling company at this time for the starring role of Hank Mitchell Dino look toward a few actors one prominent one was Peter Weller who was eagerly anticipating at that time getting the role of Robocop. Dino said he would offer him more money than he would be offered for Robocop to do King Kong lives in the end. Weller wisely decided to opt for robocop although he was only going to make about ten percent of what Dina was offering for King Kong lives so real choice between art and money at that point. Dino was also pursuing racing driver Danny Sullivan. He was nineteen eighty-five Indy. Five hundred winner and he was approached by delicious but shoot conflicted with the start of the next racing season so he decided at the advice of his agents to decline Linda Hamilton. She initially balked at doing King Kong lives but the money offered was just too good so she accepted she. Reason that King Kong did not hurt. Jessica Lang's career so wasn't going to hurt hers. She had very little time to prepare though. Because Digi we're going back and forth between her and another actress in negotiating so they didn't decide until the last minute. The Hamilton would be choice. Hamilton's family background in nursing and medicine did help her to get quickly acclimated but she soon regretted these film roles in effect heavy films because the directors on these films hardly work with the actors all. She compared acting in these kinds of films as responding to a cattle prod. During most of the acting scenes the actors did not see the King kongs represented on the screen. It was usually some tall thing with the flag on top that they had to set their lines to so that the special effects wizards can put the cogs in later. But she did. Some of the conch suits that they were going to use at some point and she was amazed at seeing. Kong's changed their expressions and flirt and back there is but at that moment she also realized how bad this movie was likely going to be received and she became horrified at what she had gotten herself into. According to Co Star Brian. Kirwin was growing very unhappy working on the film and she started counting the days until it was behind her. It also came less than a year prior to Hamilton appearing on the TV show as Catherine Chandler as the beauty in beauty and the beast. I guess in this film to but she was the beauty who saved the beast not the beauty who kills him because of that heart transplant. Fred Korea show. He was initially the first producer on the king. Kong lives project but he moved over to do blue velvet for de Lorette instead Della Renta's company Co founder and President Martha Schumacher. Who would eventually become Dino's wife? She took over she had just completed. Maximum overdrive and was available Carlo. Rambaldi now a three time Oscar winners. Since he had done King Kong nineteen seventy-six. He came back for the makeup effects. Rambaldi constructed all new ape costumes because the original ones were now unavailable and he and his team started crafting about a dozen heads for the Kong's in the film depicting various states of mind each outfitted with mechanics that a team of technicians would stand about twenty feet away to control for the giant Kong on the operating table in his opening scene. They used a sophisticated inflatable. One would allow technicians to crawl in and around to simulate his breathing. Rick Baker. Who famously worked on the original King Kong? He felt disrespected for his work on that film so he passed on returning to do the sequel. Now that left to be played by the actor. Peter Elliott this time. He had recently acted in choreographed. The eight talent four. Greystoke Elliott though is only about five feet tall in real life so a lot of blue rating and the use of giant models or miniatures are employed to give the illusion that cog is ten times Elliott size. Elliot had to wear the suit about ten hours a day. Rick Baker could only stand three at a time. Elliott will lose about seven pounds in between putting it on taking it off at the end of the day just from perspiration from the heat and the lack of ventilation within the twenty pounds suit. Dino though felt that Elliott's is look a little too small to be Kong so he had another actor brought in to do some of the close ups in the Kong mask the suits made for Young Lady Kong are pretty much identical except for lady calling has breasts so we have to fixate on that too readily identify her from the mail. Khong S for Baby Kong. Yes there is a baby Kong that eventually emerges in this film Carlo Rambaldi wanted to make the Baby Kong mechanical construct but money became a sticky issue toward the end of the shoot so both forms of Baby Kong are played by actors. The Newborn Baby Kong was played by this local at that time seven year. Old Benjamin Catch Louis. He was the son of a music professor at the University of North Carolina. Wilmington and the money that Benjamin received for his work here as well as the residuals paid for him to go to college later. The older version of Baby Kong saw Peter Elliott doing double duty. He inhabited that role with a separate head that was designed by RIM Baldi King. Kong lives was shot in eastern Tennessee. In and around the newly built seventeen million dollar digi studios located in Wilmington North Carolina. Tennessee and North Carolina are to work states so digi did not have to worry about the labor union prices. They could work extended hours. They could work on the weekends and after thirteen weeks of location shooting. Eight more weeks of miniature filming photography and working with blue screens would take place inside the digi studios themselves in order to encourage the film industry to continue to work within the state. North Carolina Governor. Jim Martin had the state's National Guard to assist with the shoot they would portray the military forces used in the movie but Washington headquarters denied the request to use the National Guard because it was not good for the image of the Guard for the purpose of this film. So Governor Martin compromised he it out unofficial military uniforms and props national guard in their new costumes to play. Essentially what is like the National Guard or Army? John Scott? Who did the score for? Greystoke returns to the world of apes here with his compositions for King Kong Liz. This garnered one of the rare instances of praise in this film without much to tout in all other regards production designer Peter Merton he made about forty minutes or sets by far the tallest order he had ever had in his career to that point and he had to do it with inexperienced local talent not part of the Hollywood system so kind of King Kong sized order there John Gillan he received so credit for King Kong lives in the end but he didn't direct every part of this film. He removed himself from the project. At some point Gillerman son Michael had been killed in a car accident during the filming of Sheena his prior film and he was still undergoing the grieving process. He started to exhibit a lot of erratic behavior. Such is leaving the set halfway through the day to go sailing on one occasion. He got into an argument with the production staff and he disappeared for days. So Charles mccracken. He was a documentary filmmaker in the area. He stepped in to complete the picture. He did not receive credit but mccracken pretty much took over the film at some point test audiences when they saw King Kong lives. They despised it. The creative team speculated that audiences did not detect what the tone of the film should be. And that's why they were having problems. The riders claim that they wrote can come live to be a semi spoof. But everybody making the film treated it as if it was going to be a serious effort and that made what resulted seem all the more silly knowing that King Kong lives would be skewered by film critics. Egg did not allow any preview screenings. The also refused to send out clips to national. Tv critics unless promised in writing that they would only use them on their local shows. No national shows were allowed to show any clips from King Kong lives. Cisco neighbor got a letter from the g announcing this stipulation. They refused to sign it. They called the lack of clips on their show. Almost a public service because the movie was just that bad other national film critics instead of showing clips they would show moments from the trailer instead and it must have been a really bad year for movies. In Nineteen eighty-six the only Golden Raspberry award the razzies nomination. That King Kong lives received was for the one aspect that some critics actually found Praiseworthy Carlo Rambaldi effects which lost out to industrial light. Magic Howard. The duck work now King Kong lives awfulness even shocked those who made the movie. Linda Hamilton was stunned when she finally viewed the film and how ridiculous it played co writer Steven Pressman. He actually was very excited when it was about to receive. Its release. He invited. Everybody knew did a theater with him and he told them to get there early so they could all sit together because it was going to be a packed house he even rented out the place next to the theatre for a post screening celebration but only one other person bothered to show up besides pressman and his guests at the showing and everybody watched this movie in silence and soon all of his friends that he brought with him found excuses to leave instead of stay for that after party despite its reputation despite its lambasting by the film critics. King Kong has managed to gain a cult following among people primarily who loved bad movies. John Wilson the CO founder of the RAZZIES calls King Kong lives one of the most idiotically entertaining sequels ever made the gamble by Digi to fly under the radar of film. Critics ended up not working king. Kong lives tanked and hard at the box office. It debuted very lowly sixteenth place. Not even anywhere approaching the top ten and it fell out of most eaters by its third week in total King Kong lives took paltry four point seven million dollars in the US off of its eighteen million dollar budget now. King Kong lives by the end of this film. I mentioned Baby Kong. It implies a forthcoming entry to continue that character and his adventures as envisioned by shitting impress field to the Teen Kong. Eventually but de la Renta's Kong franchise pretty much died from the only thing that could kill Kong for good complete lack of box office appeal so King Kong would be dead and buried at least for Peter. Jackson would resurrect him in two thousand five. Very famously and much better. By the way Kim Collins is pretty much a terrible movie and entertaining kind of terrible in some respects but not a film. I recommend to anyone who's not intend to kind of joke around and laugh at it throughout so one and a half stars is what I GIVE. King Kong lives one and a half stars on my skill means. I do think that this is a poor movie one. I definitely would steer just about anybody from watching it unless I knew that that they really like stinkers. You know those kinds of films that some people consider so bad they're good. This can qualify for some people even though I personally found it mostly tedious so one and a half stars is the best I can give. King Kong lives despite is complete and utter failure at the box office. Believe it or not Dino de la. Renta's thought that there still was going to be life for the franchise a producer from deliverance. His productions approached film mission to create an animated spin off featuring the son of Kong from King Kong lives. The producer had no real concept in mind but he suggested crazy ideas. That King Kong could be like Superman. He could grow in height can fly through space to other planets. He could shoot lease from his eyes. He can become invisible really. The Sky was the limit as to the powers nation. Talk the producer down from this and they spent two weeks on the designs and the character concepts the even concocted a submarine that would be used by Kid Kong which is what he was going to be called the submarine which was dubbed the Cocoa Nautilus. It could fly and you can even head out into space but dino only saw film nation as work for hire they did not want to go in as partners to this and that was unacceptable to the animation studio so the deal was off so we never did get to see dino continue econ franchise at all in fact King Kong. Liz is pretty much buried. Today there's been no home video release since two thousand four's DVD no streaming on any streaming services. At least in the United States. I think there are some international versions that you can find which is actually where I had to find. This film had paid kind of a pretty penny just to be able to deliver this review so I hope that Jewish Choi It. I'm going to probably sell this on ebay myself. I can't see myself actually sitting through it another time between now and the time. I'm eventually on a respirator. So he lives does not live very much to this day in the minds of most people. If you have your own thoughts on King Kong lives that you want to impart you can find my contact information on my website. That's equipped stirred Annette Q. Wip S. T. E. R. Dot net new by email link. Least my twitter feed my facebook page instagram. Any of those ways are adequate to get in touch with me. As far as what? I'm going to be doing next week. I'm going to be starting up a four part series actually starting with Phil not from the nineteen nine hundred and was basically the inspiration for King Kong remake to come out in one thousand nine hundred six anyway. Nine hundred seventy five. Be First Summer Blockbuster. In the minds of many people I'm talking about jaws the Steven Spielberg film from Nineteen. Seventy five for the next episode of around the world in eighty s movies. If you'll indulge a seventies classic for that so check out jaws if you haven't seen in a while I'll be covering that on the next episode until then thank you so much for listening joining me on this trip around the world in eighty s movies.
The Hustle Of An OPM Rockstar
"Pop. Premie was always like a team sport. Anyway, it's always better that way for me if we win as a band versus I win as frontman. It's always better if you know all. Welcome to hustle. Share the podcast features daily grind unique Hosters around the world. To show not our differences. Our hustles are very much alike. Now, here's your host roster. Bayonne. Welcome to episode fifteen of the hustle share podcast. My name is Ron Stor in. I'm your host in this episode is brought to you my payroll hero time attendance, scheduling HR in payroll solution for fully if you're new to the show. Basically hustle shares podcast lets you learn from other Hosters by listening to them. So if you're here, you're out Schifrin, you are different stuff is that's not what we are trying to bridge gap of how hustle is done universally. What do we mean by that? Basically a lot of us actually have very similar hustles experiences with each other. Talk about it. All you talk all about our achievable. Not our struggles in jury, and that's what we hear top about. And then hopefully, you can also apply on your as well, I'd like to give you a heads up because we keep it real here. That means a lot of Cussing reglazed. So if you're not comfortable with that fee certain volume down or make sure that their kids or assisted Nazi for. Just be extra careful into this in public. Now this episode is very tall GIC. Because for the first time I haven't seen this guy time, we're gonna be talking to someone from my past who happens to be also a rob star. So we are talking about Mr. Dino squall from the ban the Bloomfield's today, we're going to be discussing the hustle of air rockstar. I told you very misogyny because for the first time ever, I went into the hustle shirt. Timeless sheep someone we talked about our childhood and how he started out as musician and how he progressed in variety and how how he fell in love with who's it? Also, we his journey on how he won a battle of the Bandon how to music seriously in the grind he put into proven his craft. Then he's also going to be talking about how he became. Part of the Bloomfield's because he's not part of original members of the band, and how it was difficult for him to adjust to that, please. But eventually it became worth it. And he just right it. Lastly, they're going to be talking about what's up next for them because they're currently the middle of producing an album, and we'll talk about how you can help get this out and make sure that opium lives strong. If you want to improve your hustle and listen to a rockstar and see how you could put that hustle as well. Let's begin the episode right now. Waltham to hustle share episode fifteen we're gonna be taking a step back for the past couple of episodes. We've been doing business. I mean, like what is said when you check out episodes zero kind of explained that the first ones, and we're gonna have here are the ones in my closer, go. But here I'm very fortunate because I'm talking to someone from was my childhood only should haven't seen this guy in a long time. But I grew up with this guy, and we're going to be talking about the hustle of rockstar stop being humble, man. You're fucking rockstar ever here with the lead vocalist of the Bloomfield's, Mr. Dino while Dino up and did the show yoyo sub guys. Thank you very much for having me on hostile share, buddy. This is awesome. I can't wait Ron Ron. Yeah. There you go. I don't think you know, that I was gonna say. That sold here any said it they know me people from way back. Call me run run backing stupid outta the who I love it only one. I know called Ron Ron who other also has that stupid name who what people know you as right now, the rotter, Ron Stor for people. I basically name Ronsard came from Ron, sir. The party monster because oh God we watch. That's too long split in run, sir. And I distinctly people that call me Ron surf someone who I don't really know. Okay. So you don't online. Iran. That's probably my inner circle and run run is like from my past who sparking embarrassing em, and we're part of your soul. That's why we know you run run escaping this. Since you started this shit before we go there, do you know, let's just describe quick. What's your hustle? Cool. Yeah. So like you said play in a band called a Bloomfield's. Yeah. We the band's been playing for the past fifteen years now, it's a very long. I'm a fan very long journey. Yeah. So at the moment, this is what we do full-time the four of us. Yeah. We really treat it as a business anymore. You're bad maith. Just shed light for those people. Listen to you. Yes. Sure. Reichel yaldo is on the drums also sings we'll we all sing so related sort of like the Beatles where everybody has to sing can't sing some pick. One one of us is that Ringo. Yeah. And then luanne is on the league tires. Do. We is on the base. So, yeah, we're a four piece band. Wow. So before we get into how to Bloomfield's was started in whatnot. A step back started this with Iran run right away. I got cut me off guard. Sorry. I couldn't throw me with a runner up. It just came to my head. Sure. A lot of our classmates or teachers. So if you're. We're going to cuss. So sorry about that. Sorry. We're grown men. We can't take it off of our system. Exact Dino, let's take a step back. And and let's talk about your hustle from before how you started out as a musician because we're classmates, dude, I can't remember like I literally grew up with you. Yeah. Right. I was stayed. I was I was still obnoxious. What? What? Yeah. We're all obnoxious. Right. That doesn't go away. Correct. Dino as far as you can remember, here's what I remember for how you started. And I'm going to ride this. No. All right. I wanna do this. This this whole reminiscent thing this doing a love it. I think I was one of the first guys to pick up guitar not because I wanted to play these are it was cool. It we're it was late nineties. They'll movement ios big limp biscuit in there. This is the shit. You're either only two things rock or hip, hop or or or hip hop. That prominent before it was before it used to be metal vs. Hip hop, right. Pick one. Yeah. Exactly and the cool ones chose Rupp exact by, but I kind of deviated in high school, and I realized dude I'm too I'm too flap with his shoe. I'm black as hail your, you know, what people know this. But I actually the first song I've ever learned through you, buddy. You're the first guy teach me anything on the guitar. Oh, what did I teach? You taught me. The theme song to mission impossible. That was dope. When I learned that. I was like oh my goodness. This hammering and shit. Locate Dino, we we were you started this and what what brought to you. And I didn't realize that you're going to go all the way. Right. You know, what me metoo because like looking back everything started for me, music wise. It was basically like you say it was all during grade school somebody brought a guitar it was you who had to get the green guitar who still. Yes. I remember that vividly. And so yeah, it was just a bunch of people like jamming whoever could play play, right? Wherever could sing would sing. And it's not as if like I ever knew how to sing before this or even Blake ours. So it was just more of just having fun with it. But you you and your best friend Kevin shadow, Kevin and push it. All man. Yeah. You're going to be listening to this. You were playing stuff. Once you got better at it. You're playing stuff that were like mainstream like incubus back then red hot chili peppers. Mike girl. These these, you know, Billy. Yes. Okay. Cool. I didn't even know how if I look at the song hits that doesn't exist. And that's the way you learn guitar report. Song hates exactly I owned a ton of song. It's before. Yeah. But how did you improve? So let's so we picked up retire and just a little caveat. I left our school and this little sidetrack a little bit on that school. I don't know what it is with community of learners Dacian. But if I look at all the there's so many Rockstars. Yeah. You the hilar- people out, Josh? Did I miss out on anyone more who else? Some of our teachers were like from seen some are musical teachers from there. So very good mentors. Give a background of our school in Grace's, very very. It's very nontraditional. It's very American salary. Only have like three or four subjects a day. We didn't have uniform. So I was wearing shorts. No hair, restrictions and some people would rock Mohawks. I remember the first time that got bald. I tried to have the mohawk. I went home. My mom told me what the hell. Shit out. So went back to the barber's now bald and everyone are you guys seizing me because I looked like an egg. Right. But you kept it looks good now. But. I haven't grown my hair since college. Late all the time. So. After that. Then I went to school, but there's a lot of stupid shit. I did in that school to one more the most vivid memory that never left me was when I exploded a fire extinguisher classroom. Yeah. So I remember that these guys are playing I think it was Kevin make. As claims, let me get this. And apparently to pin was out. So I pressed the nozzle the whole fucking fire extinguisher went off yet. You know, what let me absolve you of this of this tragedy because I remember vividly somebody sat on that yet. Somebody sat on the fire extinguisher. I don't know why. And you were the good Samaritan in. When it when it spread open took it up like let me take this one classmate who didn't want to leave that room Janina shoes on her hustles. You wanted to study? Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. I left because I love do things back in back in grade school. I love basketball. Guitar and I had to choose like, I love basketball too much. And unfortunately, I felt like there was no program for me to excel in community numbers. So I had to go to USD pursue in paid off. I got two two two years fate of I mean of high school for free Miami. Awesome. What not and then that's when I lost track. Now, I want to catch up what happened to you in high school because your like band with Kevin lion. So in when you left, I guess, right? A lot of what we did in high school is just basically jamming. Right. So every break, we would just get out and guitars start singing composer song or trying to figure out a song back then. Yeah, man. We we composed. A lot of songs mean Kevin before with our band. Coming drive those what it was before. I'm from company. Yeah. They coming. Awesome. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Used to be me Kevin lia- and jed who's now who was our violinist and eventually became Kevin's wife. Right. And know this and after high school, I went to college Lyon. Kevin I would have been awkward what have you? Yeah. Sure. The whole time. Yeah. But they're back in high school was just me Kevin lion. Who usually jam it out? And yet all started joined this acoustic battle of the bands. And that's when we started taking the music seriously because one that shit, right, right? And you're like, you know, what maybe we should start. And you guys were really good. But the type of stuff that you guys can do in Qatar is topnotch already. I right. Got you. Okay. I know I have to plaque and what our card. Yeah. Yeah. But I do you tar level is the same guitar probably even worse than what I want. I haven't even have guardians anymore. Like, I'm done. I've got a bite them off. They won't work. He board. That's what I have. Oh. Type too much. But are you guys after the battle of the ban? Was it like a straight line drive? You like all right. Let's take the seriously. It kinda just sort of fell that way. Because after the by the Benz, you were just like because we loved playing like, you know, we should find a spot that we could just perform it. Okay. And that's when we really got into the music, I guess a little bit more serious because would go to Lyon house guitars. And that's where we practice. Yeah. And we'd come up like before you're starting out. You're asking how many songs we need in the Bank to hold the spot. They were like maybe thirty to forty pounds house. Oh verse covers. Yeah. All covers. And so yeah, that's what I started. Like learn all these things, and you know, some of the rifts you need to learn as well. Right. So that's when you may own it too because you can't just say. Gotta put your own twang to it. Exactly. So back in the day. Would I would do is just get the guitars as basic as I can right? So that I could immediately crew sing it at a gig in. So that's how it worked. Well, you were always vocalist back, then I was always a vocalist backing band back. Then I remember using to listen to you now. This guy. Good, man. How did you improve your vocal Vogel capabilities? This wasn't scientifically taught to us or you just got better through repetition to that is a big part of it because you know, practice is just you can't you can't get away from practice. Right. Yeah. You whatever you do performance. Right. Was whatever you practice. So if you didn't practice, you're just doing you know, what I mean, you're not gonna hit that note automatic win. You me if you didn't practice, but Chombo, I mean, you didn't mean to do the cry. It sounds so much better. If you mean it, right, and yeah, so practice is one thing. And also a big thing is listening listening to different songs different. John rozin just getting deep into how did he sing that? What how did you guys because back then the internet's not available with spot advise of the world and whatnot because there was taped and CDs. Hustle and ride if you're lucky if you have an ipod. Yeah, you're lucky to have that. And you don't even have the bluetooth speakers at the world. Now, right up the old school said, how did you how much you guys spend on that one and this carry on through college? Yeah. Because I don't think people now will appreciate how easy it is. To learn a songs Hooper with YouTube. Yeah. They'll teach exactly how it's played. Right. They'll tell you what guitar they use the tone was but back then the only way we used to learn wisco- up. Right. And you learn from other people like oh my goodness. No up. I'm binding and the copy that and I would always try to like watch other performance that I like like my hero is about reason. Again, he's always in call all the xactly God. So he was my hero. And I used to watch him with some of our teachers, in fact, right who were channel. Yeah. And yeah, just copy like. I need to copy exactly how we do it. So I study whatever he was doing on the guitar and then try to rush back home and try to replicate that mmediately so basketball players do it. Oh, the Kobe did a fatal exactly exactly to try to do that bitterness ugly shit. Exactly airball up. And that's when the practice comes. So Alan Iverson shot out to you. We don't believe you talking about practice. Not about the game. Now taken out of context. I love Alan Iverson. All he was saying was if you watch the actual inter was that he was misquoted all you were saying that his coach got angry at him for missing practice and he loved basketball to to love basketball. Yes, sir. Relate his job on the time. Everything man. I remember one thing you told me, I think I kicked you one time because I was trying to do Rodman accidentally kicked you in the gut on like smack in the solar plexus. Sorry wrong. I remember the like. Memories, bro. Yeah. I was trying to emulate Rodman didn't realize you were there. Yeah. That's a good. Yeah. Catch this. Anyway. So do you know you guys did that? But let's take a quick break. I wanna know. Now what happened after you hit it up with and Kevin and whatnot. You had this bad? Was there a point where you like hit like all right? We got gotta split ways. Because for not getting around. Let's answer that more of that. After. Hey, hustlers. Let's talk about something really important real quick something that a lot of you. I know can relate to especially if you're running a business, and I'm talking about payroll. You know, how hard it is time consuming. This is especially that you have to do it twice a month. That's a guy who's been budding tech startups over ten years now, this is something that I did not enjoy doing at all because I don't like being. Employees. No. But it's already hard looking for funding to three appeal. 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The beauty about it. Is there snow up front payment needed to do this? So never re about peril again payroll hero. Optimizing word productivity with happiness. And we're back in the big were still with rockstar. Oh, my. That sounds so wrong. Us class. So after winning drive. What's what was it straight Bloomfield's for you? Or how did you guys got to stop this? I gotta do some Nelson whatnot. What was was there? A point where you know, just like every other musician. This is struggle because you gotta invest so much time into money's not there. You gotta pay for your own. Keep exactly it's I respect musicians because this really all out of love. Yes. Grow the passion. And the Fisher money doesn't come right away. At all. If you're you're you're going to be lucky. Also if it comes. Yeah. Right for you after winning drive was I mean was there a point where Geiss what do we do? Now. Not necessarily because actually throughout most of my college days, I guess until second year college study, I didn't get UP. Oh, yeah. Shit, but I took Asian music agent. So my Japanese whatever all of those my main instrument was the beginning now in cooling tongue. Do those were. My teacher. Maga was like a pioneer in like notating traditional music, which nobody does. And she's a bee's it. So she so you really took this on because I mean as far as I know there's only to legit music schools here. It's either UP or go conservatory interest. Christie. You're those are pretty strong ones for sure yet. I don't know anyone else. Again. I'm very big on this. I don't know. I think sT school might have. I think I'm not sure don't quote me on this. Maybe. Yeah. Don't don't judge me for being naive. But yeah, they're tons of great music programs out there really this on. I have to can I tell the story about how do the college music. It was basically after. So how did you again get into the college of music, and how did you choose that path? So when you were just about to graduate fourth year, I took the did not pass. Okay. But in my mind since forever as a kid, I was like, you know, I'm going to UB for college. I don't know. I don't know how I'm gonna do it. Right. But I was going to get in. And I think very irresponsibly a month before the exams for the music program for the college music because it's a separate example together, of course, because it doesn't your. How'd you get tired? Exactly. So. Yeah. So I took lessons for month to try to get in. And even my teacher was like, you know, what if you don't get it. Now, always. Years looking great. Because who really like looking back. It was a dumb idea to just start it at that point. Right. But by some grace of God, I was able to get in and divine intervention to for sure for sure. And. Yeah from there. I just fell in love with Asian music and using a particular because it's just a universal language music. Brought me to different places like different countries got the perform in violin and China everywhere. So yeah, it was pretty pretty huge from. Yeah. Universal language and every culture. Yes. Music embedded in their whole thing. Exactly. It's not necessarily just for them music isn't necessarily just for listening for just enjoyment some cultures it's very deeply rooted into their religion, you know, and for them. It's how you call people. Correct. You know, what I mean, it's I dunno. It's a wide range of use of music. So while you're that you're still doing winning Graham still doing coming drives. Every after a class, you gem. I would go to displace in the Lena street familiar UP village. Yeah. Called the greenhouse. It's not there anymore. It's replaced by. Seattle's best or something like that. But yeah, the owners there were really really nice, and they gave us a spot, and we were playing there every Wednesday. And I'm pretty sure just like every other gig. They don't really pay you much. But for me, I was huge. I was getting in music room speech, which is thousand all right for me those big athle- once a week. Yeah. That's four grand a month. I was like that settles all my drinking bills. True. True. Yeah. So after that, how did you progress now too? I mean, just let's let's take give a little bit of a light on the Bloomfield's the Bloomfield's existed before with the different set of members. Right. Yes. How did you? And then I I saw like holy shit. The new vocalist of the move fields. Right. How did that come to fruition? So basically, so like I was playing in this place called greenhouse grill. Right. And the ban the Bloomfield's had just broken up at that point everyone. Well, they were at odds already. Let us just about the, wow, dislike all most bands that they go through the hit a even Queen had to go through this. Right. Yeah. So there was a the had a turning point. Where like I think we're gonna have to go separate ways, though, separate ways, and that time it was actually rocky Lacan who scouted me from grill. Because Rockies ankle said that he knew of a guy who sings Beatles and is from at the nail. That was his vision, actually. And my jaw maybe saying before Beatles song at that point. And, but of course, it was huge fan 'cause mandate the basically create it, right? Yeah. So. Never grow. Yes. Exactly. Resonate similar to help. Queen is exactly resonate through higher aches generates exactly. And so yeah, that was the beginning of it. Because every after set I would do greenhouse. I'd go around the tables and just welcome people in like be like. Like Zanny songs guys wanna hear who had a good time. And then I eventually came to their table where they were sending and know them, I didn't know envy. These guys were smashed. Drinking a lot. Grunk pill, but they were having fun. Right. And so I did my usual spiel I was like, you know, where you guys from what you guys do for a living. And they said, oh, we're actually in the band, and I was like oh dope. And because I didn't know who who they were. Smash hit before I let right. Yeah. For sure and Allie was their hit song. And then how they're hammered. How did you? How do they helped you? Recruit you sorry. We'll basically when we got to talking they were like where are you interested to maybe try and jam with us a few times do few practice sessions. I was a music student and doing nothing, really. So I was like, you know, why not? Okay. Couldn't hurt. Right. Yeah. Like, I would love to try out different music's of. Yeah. And that's that's when it started. We practiced once and I was even with like two other guys we're trying I think they were trying to sell them as well that journey scouting. But less like serious. But yeah, so we were there. Sorry jamming out and at the end. I think we just they clicked with me more. Yeah. Maybe I don't really know how the process happen, but such a long time ago, but we started doing a few gigs and I had to learn a ton of songs, right? At like, I didn't even know I switch from playing used to play. My main instrument was a acoustic guitar and did a lot of plucking. Right. I have this heavy now at to learn how to play electric guitar, and I'm man, I saw different the whole playing style is different playing with the pick was completely four into me. So to take a crash course on just like playing in the first gig ever, did which I had to learn forty thirty new songs for this one day one day. Yeah. And I was like maybe that you need a frigging guide and don't use guides don't have lyric sheet. They don't have anything. And that was my fourth before in front of like a book. Is it a struggle to say, the least it's a it was a super struggle. It was a super stretch for me number one to be standing to be dancing. Well, playing giving it's a completely different kind of energy than sitting down and just singing true true. And so yeah, it was a crash course in how to play rock and roll. Out how to do the Beatles. Right. And even now, I'm still like figuring out how to do it. It's it's not as if I did it before. And now I need to evolve it into something true better. You know what? I mean, we're they're also coming in because here's this new guy. Mutt? Your face now too. Right. I mean at the end of the day. Let's call us the speed vocalist. Always is the guy at the middle. Always gets the chicks and everyone else. That's that's what it is. I gotcha. Maybe but to to begin with our wasn't like in the middle or anything like I was on the side. Singing, and to be honest the way, I really treated the Bloomfield's was that just the way the the bills were like everyone was a everyone's all stars team. Right. Everyone brings something that table. Like, I will bring you know, my particular way of singing to the debacle and Lon will play like, you know, his his guitars. He makes those sing and Rockies killer on the drums as well, Soule, Yemen and or Louis things as well. And he's super energetic on the base infectious. So yeah, I never I never really treated as I of the front, man. I got all the chicks for me was always like a team sport absolute it was it's always better that way for me. Like if. We win as a band versus. I win as a frontman. Okay. It's always better. If you know, we're all in it together. I wanna know. So now, you're part of this band. And it's what you also guys to have good branding. And then I wanna know the whole packaging around because dude it's hard to play a gig, let alone play in the whole rigging coat and tie. It's fucking hot. As is sometimes you play outside. And there's no AC what the fuck. What's the preparation like for you guys? At least walk us through that. How many our play in what kiss? Also, you do covers majority the time before. Yeah. And also at the back of your head and British or you guys also do your own songs. Yes. Was that intentional that? You're gonna do covers. I well. Of course, the boom fuels were always known as. There were known for doing Beatles. Song sixty seventies rock and roll the beach, boys. Right. So a lot of vocal harmony. Right. So the pick was always we always hear this like Bloomfield's, always as the Beatles of the Philippine true. True. Right. And that's not that's not a bad branding. I didn't do it. Well, that's great. I'd take that any day of the week. But yeah, that's what we used to do before. And we love like the Bloomfield's as a ban be love doing. Sure. Brand to example, for the preparation part. How much hours through let's say light. Because this is something that people don't see up front. Sure. What before like before a gig? How did you guys? Do your preparation to even how do you talk and whatnot? This this is four into a lot of people. So a lot of the time specially at the beginning. It was all about practicing as of band as that. So. How it would work would be all this Wednesday. These are the three songs that we're going to learn. Okay. And then so before going to practice you have to learn it by yourself first. So that you have something to bring just like, I don't know. Oh, yeah. Which is totally different from me before because the wish me and company drive with practice right on the play. It was more of a hang out than it was a practice right relate. That's hang out. And then figure out some songs you guys wanna play. And then we'll we'll hash out their system to this. Yeah. Yeah. With Bluefields your system come in with some stuff. Right. Right. And we'll we'll we'll jam it out. Right. And so it's a lot of checking each other's work finding out if that's exactly what you're gonna do some couple pushed us guitar if that if Lonzo gonna be doing this riff, what am I supposed to be doing right because we making Sapo? Yeah. You're going to be making Szabo. You can't be all just playing the same gourds the same way. I mean, so you have to really like hash out each part. So we we sort of treat like each song as like a like a piece I mean, so it's not just art. Yeah. For sure for sure and. Yeah, the credit the Bloomfield's for like. Really instilling in me, right that focused detail, and you know, how how each guitar or the bass Joan or the base will interact with each other create the specific sound guy now about the the instruments because this fucking expensive. I'm ready this podcast invested this not much. You guys I'm tired of Lauder. They don't come cheap the fucking guitar shop. They're just going to give it to you for nothing. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Invest so much. Well, yeah. You got invest in yourself. The best person to invest in is yourself. If you're for me, specifically, Mike is creating music. So, you know, if the quality of my instrument will also be the quality of the music that I that I produce. Exactly. But then at the end of the day. I know there's there are a lot of things that aren't cheap, but they make so much sense for you to buy. You know, what I mean like for me with the first time, I bought my acoustic guitar. It was sixteen granite where am I gonna get this? But it was a no brainer. Because for me is like the moment. I got it was like, you know. Yeah. Beautiful sixty grand perfect. Right. And yeah, it's just it's an investment in yourself and in your craft, and you don't really lose money that way. Right. Yeah. It's gonna pay back and tell for sure some way down the road. Way down the road. But do you know now, let's talk about performance. Now, you're just like any other person not one hundred percent in the way. You guys are dressed. It's. Very uncomfortable. First of all, it's side note. What why the who came up with this thing that the address up that way? So I remember this because because I always use the Bloomfield's before they're always in Sudan is right. And I was like man so frigging tacky this stuff. My goodness. I remember seeing Bloomfield for the first time it was like, oh what a product. The industry. But yeah, all change when I met them. Because man, these guys are passionate about music and the way they started out with. The way it ended up with with us wearing suits and ties was just brilliant your. I mean, I think what happened was they played for a prom. And so, of course, galleno what about the suit a slob? I don't know if I'm remembering this right with how they told me. But yeah, I think they did a gig like a high school dance, and they were like man, this actually looks pretty dope. So they continue right. Right. And it also fits in with like playing the Beatles or beach, boys. So. Yeah. And just the look got updated got until we were wearing like nicer fitting suits, and those are not cheap either to those aren't cheap to have those are the right fit in buffed of shoulder. Exactly like a scarecrow. So that's a that was a learning curve do like playing in four months higher and jumping dancing and everything like that. Yeah. Now, come performance. I've not everybody's feeling well and whatnot this show must go fucking on. Yeah. Yeah. Right. How do you dig deep like? All right. We gotta dance. We're not dislike any whatever. Right. We gotta we got gotta perform exactly how do you prepare for that? When you come on stage gametime. How do you help each other out at least for from your end out here? If I have a fever or whatnot to deliver. It will first of all I've laid in every condition imaginable. Walk us through some examples of that. I've played with like basic stuff Sapone I've made or right outta voice. I've laid with Dingane. Yeah. For sure I've played of course, super drunk. Barely. That's a good one. Barely audible which silence better. Yep. Yep. Some way sometimes but. Yeah. You just use learn not until you slur. Because at the end of the day, we call ourselves a professional band. So when it come when it comes time to. Plea gig for us at least for me a switch turns on ups stumped perform, even if I feel shitty. The whole day, a smile will spark up like suck it up and. You know what I mean? Like, you get into you. Do it enough times that you can get into a zone where like whatever it is if I'm in this zone fine. And sometimes the less the less. Well, I feel the better I will project. You know, what I mean because I'm overcompensating for that adrenaline kicks in after performance. Oli gosh, sir. Like dren Lynn drops. I don't want to talk to anyone is you got to go home. That's when you figure out maybe I'm not part of the party lifestyle so much stop drinking after the gigs. It's hard. I mean, I did nightlife for a while for like, oh, yeah. Surely shit good to three years. I'm like I'm done only vice before smoked, but I got I got cold Turkey as well. Because like. Smoke like two packs a day. Holy shit shit. I've done like I start feeling. Well, now, at least I feel my lungs back. So I used to smoke as well. And yeah. Singer your mean off Schimdt vestment is your voice the first target of a cigarette is your local. Yeah. Sure. Another break when we come back. Let's talk about. Now what you guys are doing. Because you're you're you're going to this new jury. You guys are going bad it as a performer, right? You're putting up a new album. Yes, sir. Wanted to talk to because I feel that listeners hustle share will be able to hook you guys up four discuss that more of that after. Effective automation is the best way for businesses to stay competitive. And having a chat bought for your business easily automate and optimize sales marketing and costumer service in the digital age. Chat about ph will build train maintain and market. Your shot across all messaging at Ford's RT, muses, the latest technologies enable you to better serve customers. Twenty four seven three sixty five. Set a meeting with us today. Messages now at M dot MEES. Lash chat bought PA. And we're back yard of the hustle hustler podcast. We're still with rockstar come about that. I get you always. That's so we're gonna call this the hustle of a rockstar. Let's come on. That's what it is. You know, now Bloomfield's I saw video of you. Yes. That's bad video that should badge video. No sex scandals known, sir. Not yet. Sure, you delete that. So you guys. You guys are putting up when you recently put up a video about the support you guys need. Yes. To get this done. Now. Can you talk about that in detail? So that for listeners of hustle share who happened to be -fensive, you guys I'm pretty sure a lot of that people who are fans of Bloomfield's listening here. What are you trying to do now? So at the moment, we are trying to crowd fund like I said this brand new album that we want to release this twenty nineteen. And because you know, it's this new album that we're doing very exciting because we're self producing it. Yes. When I say self producing meaning there's no help from the labels to get this done. No, wow. No help whatsoever. We don't we're not even under any particular label that is producing this for us. Wow. So you're on your own. Yes. Wow. So every Indy. Type kind of thing as an indie. Right. Basically, you're right. Yeah. Because it's men the age of technology. Now, you can if you know enough you can do most of the things there's a lot of good artists coming up to this Dhillon, Philippine those guys it's funny because became viral that was listening to these really Jit 'em, and yes, they know their shit. But for you guys, this is very exciting. Because again for for the longest time a lot of people knew as a cover band and going here. This a little side note. I was listening to your original song to stuck in my head with an awesome. So it's good. With that. So you have this teaser content now again if you're in Spotify. UT? The Bloomfield, correct. And for for what yourself produce, what do you mean? And what are the resources do guys need to get this done? So a lot of the resources actually go to mixing and mastering the songs that we record and basically recording the songs in itself because I don't know if you know studio time is very expensive. Yeah. And when you're trying to create music, it's not cut and dry where you'll just produce it within an hour. Right. Right. Sometimes it takes a whole day from hell takes four hours per episode, at least edit and there's no music in. It was just vocal. There you go. And so, you know, time compounds than money compounds, and you've got to release these things properly to get into the right venues, you have to create you have to advertise them online on radios, and you have to create posters and. And you have to make the actual CDs and everything so it's a huge undertaking financially. Correct. And we did this before with an all original album that we had called hit the ground running back in two thousand ten and that's almost ten years ago. Exactly was great album, and we produced it. But the thing was we weren't really able to market it properly because we didn't have the funds tobacco back up. Correct. We had enough degrade the CDs and Molitor, but that's just the first part got got to promote the fucking exactly. So the tail end wasn't there. And that's what we're trying to really create with this one because you wanna create music videos for this upcoming album. We we may even release it on vinyl. Wow, old school like really, really nice stuff. And what we have now, which is also part of our crowdfunding project is for specific the nation. You can actually get a cassette tape of our. I don't know how they're gonna play that. It's an MP three cassette tapes. You can put your headphones straight into that. Actual cassettes some merch yet for sure. So if they want to pledge or support here, first of all are you privy to how much you're trying to raise as a whole? Yes. So right now, we're trying to raise three hundred thousand vessels do. That's doable. Because we just we really wanna hit the goal, and we just need a like fuel to get started to. That's doable. I one investor who's listening here. One one rock off person. Who's I mean in startups, this shed some light, you know, one seed round can be here in the Philippines. Probably it would be on fifty thousand USD. Oh. Whatnot. So some angel here who. Maybe it was up to one point five million. But this is for a good cause if you live music if you feel like and you don't have right. The whole check right no thousand in there. Yeah. Not in fact, let me talk about some of the nation's the nation's range from like five hundred all which five hundred we'll get you as a reward stickers some buttons and the ticket to our album launch Terry go and the Rangers go from. I think five to two thousand to five thousand ten thousand all the way up to one hundred grand and hundred grand can actually get you all are merchandise, which is all our t-shirts. There's the the CD a bunch of tickets to the album lunch, and you actually get a private performance from the Bloomfield so unit performance into bedroom. You want? You get a kick out of the Bloomfield. You're about to sleep. No. But Dino, that's this is really really good. Because now you're in control. Yes. A lot of people a lot of hustlers that listen to show wanna be in control of your destiny. He now all we needed is just like any startup like I needed hub. And I'm trying to it forward to you guys. A lot of people listen to the show also trying to against Gotcha just like any startup here. We're trying to support you know, we support opium we help each other out. So that little whatever money can go a long way to help disband reach that next level and listen to them, they dare don't face. But he, and that's really good. But you know, while how do they do that if they wanna plant? Yeah. So what you can do. Immediately is go to the spark project where we have our crowdfunding was also a startup founder shout out. Right. And you can go to their website. Just type in the spark project dot com. And we are actually they're featured project at the moment. The guys who was wearing some student. That's we're all all in blue suits and ties Ariel. And what your funding is the is the album called a drop into the blue drop into the blue. How far out are you guys now? So far off we or forty three percent do that's just again, some some dude L that check. And let's go we'd love that. We would love that. And yeah, we've got twenty seven days ago. So by the time this get released this gets released. It's probably going to be like, what twenty days twenty days is still a good Chuck. I'll chip in. I'll buddy. But he thinks so from from that point, Dino, let's let's talk about the hustle. So again, I know a lot of musicians my default also a musician too. I just didn't pursue it. Like first of us men. Right. But again, there is something that I felt they was very natural. I'm by befall. And everybody knows me. So I learned how to harness it back way and make you work for me for musician. Right. Not everybody can afford to do it fulltime. It's a tough gig. Right. What were the tips that you can show? Those indie artists or up and coming artists because you guys are fortunate for you guys to do this fulltime. Yeah. Not all can do a lot of. I know a couple of like the drummer of auto telic, Jen, look diag, right? Didn't do that full time until recently where the boom and whatnot, right? How how do you get to that point where you can officially now do this fulltime? I think what would it comes to music. There's no real like reason to do it. Right. Other than if you really like, it course. And for me to get to the point where you can so to speak quit. Your job pursue music would have to be my advice would be let's say you have a regular nine to five all the hours that you don't use for your work. You do it for your side hustle, which might be music or whatever. But the one thing that the most important thing to develop for me would have to be your habits because whatever habits you have with your work with directly translate to the habits. You will have with music because at the end of the day like, for instance, playing guitar it will give you as much as you want based on how much time you've spent through. Right. You replay. So exactly. So for me, if you're someone in a regular job, and you wanna take? Your band to the next level. And have it beer main source of income, right? Is try to do the two trains theory. I don't know if you sit two chains not change can work to knows his stuff. But yeah, two trains theory, where if your job is your main tring, and it's moving let's say, I don't know fifty miles an hour and your music changed. Just moving thirty miles an hour. Try to incrementally speed that up like, and if it starts moving faster than your regular one then you can jump ship. And now this if this thing starts, if your music or your starts earning more than what you're doing on a regular basis, then then you have a choice. That's true. And that's also true. It startups. Right. A lot of people that do startups. You gotta you gotta find a way to survive. Exactly. And that's one of the main mistakes. I did as well. As an entrepreneur before. I bet all in. And I was lucky because I was still young. So what's at stake was very added have. Girlfriend and whatnot. This very raw. And somehow, my mom can still support me. But now, I can't take that risk. Bill sapir. We're going to go broke. Get thrown out. Yeah. We we we can't afford that. So make sure that the basis are covered when the basis covered and soccer money people. Like, you don't stuff about passionate come on? Now end of the day. You gotta you gotta pay the bills, right? Yeah. Somebody's got to pay the Bill, and whether it's your nine to five, and they're still shaming that by the movement, you need to be able to survive. Yeah. Why would be ashamed of nine to five? Correct. And then after that, we're also going to be doing the other stuff, which is your passion project, but still you gotta make money out of it. So that's you gotta think of it like a business. Yes, you are your own business xactly, and you can't just be one thing. Now like, especially for musicians, you can't just be. I mean, like, I'm sure you can survive if you're an amazing musician, and you just rock it out all the time. People get you all the time. But for for the most part as a ban or even as solar this, you just have to know number one hundred market yourself. Number two, how to talk the clients or talk to other people in number three. You gotta learn how to do stuff online. The biggest thing now. Yes, people have to the new market. I mean, this another example discover band, but they kinda gotten controversial bit. Oh, right. I didn't cover band. Lose their covers if it's a new song. They also do that. And they got into a lot of. Trouble lately. Just look it up, but really took out all their content on YouTube. Oh, so again, the ability to make traction easier now, even for me. Right, right. For me. That's what they did is even find like make those mistakes. Right because the market is so young, you don't even know, you don't even know what works it or what doesn't work. Yeah. There's a people have a little bit more of an idea now. But nobody knows what thing is going to be viral with the next what the next click is going to be so, yeah, if for me as long as you're just trying to adapt and do different things, and experiment. There's there's no way you can lose unless you stop, correct? But you gotta learn your mistake stock due to. Yeah. Because that's insanity. Exactly. So. Yeah. Yeah. Experience is the best teacher. Absolutely. They'll do you know, what else would you say for for those people who are in the in grand or doing gigs? Earning the piece on you're talking about in. What not how would they get in? How did they get discovered by the right people who who are the type of people that they look for us? So that they'll have a better chance of at least making it be the traditional route. I mean, there's always YouTube, right? That's your way direct to the consumer. But let's talk about let's let's call Spade labels friend this fucking business. Yeah. Right. How do you discovered by the labels? Actually, I'm gonna fall back to you know, where labels look for Ben's. Now, I don't know online. So I. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I might be just blowing this out of my ass, but labels now the game is content. Correct. Who is creating the most content usually wins. Sometimes it's not about who's the best. Right. It's more about who gets seen more. Right. Even so, for example, you all a lot of musicians do the same way you did in your jamming. But that's content already document that shit. Go down there. You get a cheap ass webcam or what she meant that young good decent might to cover the whole thing document. You're paying for the studio time already anyway. Right. Then fucking document that upload it. You'll never know. Exactly. And that's content. You can create that hype that you can already work on. And if you have something, for instance, bans starting up record your stuff, like even if just garage bent, and then send it through these labels because you'll never know. And most of the time they'll they'll ask for the rights to be able to release this online and all of that. And that can get you started really quickly. And then eventually that second that was talking about will eventually catch. Exactly. So again, Dino, I helped we had more time. But I know you got to do some share everybody. You're in the middle of finish here. Sure. Yes, sir. Yeah. That's good. So in twenty days, more or less give and take the new albums going to come out. But if you wanna listen to Bloomfield's, how do they do that Dino? Yeah. Please. Please do search on all of your online platforms. Look for the Bloomfield's on. Facebook you chew Spotify Instagram? And of course, you can search for our crowdfunding project on the spark project dot com. Just look for the Bloomfield's once again our project is called a drop into the blue, and yeah, you can support us their support opium. And if you guys wanna conscious live, you can always check out our gig schedules, all up on Facebook. And yes shadow to Ben Sherman just real quickly. I got to put that in for suiting up for all. Look, so good. That's right, man. Keeping us fly at the shot that out. Yup. All right. So again, this is a hustle share. If you guys like heard today piece, forget to subscribe at following your favorite podcast, and if you like to suggest any new hustler, you want to see it doesn't matter if it's businessman musician. There's the hustle hustle to it will feature it here. Please messages on our chat bot on messenger. Search for hustle share or go to 'em dot knees. Latch share thanks again. Thanks, man. Thanks, Ron Ron. All right. Now's your next up. So.
"Witness Docs from stitcher a new tour listeners. Before we get started this story contains descriptions of assault and sexual violence. Tasha Toro and this is verified. You know we've tried to be there for key. Moments for the women as their investigation unfolded and as they worked to bring Dino Mog loaded justice so we sent. Dan Bloom our senior producer for this podcast to Patois to be there for the final arguments and the verdict in Dino's trial. I've asked Ian to help tell the story hi Dan. Hi. Natasha could be with you. I'm so glad you're here because something really weird happened before you even got to Patois right right so in this moment everyone is preparing to go back to Italy and Caitlyn. Maria had already been there October in two thousand eighteen. That's when they testified in court stood out from behind the curtain pointed at Denali. Oh and said this is my rapist. So they had to wait eight months between October and June when they go back to Italy here the final arguments and the verdict. So Kate was planning on coming in from Montana by way of England and Maria was showing up from Portugal directly. And everyone's Kinda getting ready. Getting the travel plans set. When we heard like a bombshell bit of news that we weren't expecting and the reporters had to tell us that Dino might actually be released early might be free while we were there. Wait what how is that even possible? Trust me the prosecutor on this case Giorgio. Falcone tried to convince the court that this should not happen but it didn't work so dino was then scheduled to be released from prison two years early at the beginning of June two thousand nineteen and. That's just three weeks before kate. Maria and the reporters were supposed to go back to Padoa for the final verdict. At this point the reporters knew they had no choice but to tell Kate and Maria this news and that wasn't going to be easy so the reporters got everyone together on this video call. I was also on the call and I recorded it. It was a hard thing to schedule. Because of all the different time zones involved and the connection was not amazing so it was hard for us to hear each other and to communicate. Finish to serve demento penalty folded previous trial or the stamina. So these spent penitently enter on June. The second three likely dead set date. He will be freed. They looked like they had just seen a ghost. They were absolutely stunned and I can understand that because I mean how would you feel right? You're about to go back to Italy. And just before the last leg of this incredibly long journey you find out your rapist is actually going to be free at the same time that you are returning to the scene of the crime. This phone call was especially difficult for Maria. I think it's pretty shocking that he is going to be free. I do know that was gonNA happen. I thought he was having six years in jail for the Australian girl. That's what I thought was happening. I think it's a bit scary that he's going to be out of jail. 'cause I think it's really that he's GonNa keep doing beds things before he always found a way to do this. I remember. Kate was trying to process the whole thing in real time. I know as part of the legal system but it just seems so obvious that he's like a profound threat to everyone And just the the notion of him fleeing I mean he's an international threat in that respect so I guess to me I just I just. I'm kind of I don't have the words because it's so astounding that there has to even be an argument to say Let's consider this to see if we should let him go or not specially because he's violated house arrest before and as Maria was saying he's always found a way To immediately become a Predator again after after being caught or after being threatened so Yeah I'm angry and it's terrifying. Wow this was me. I'd have to think about cancelling plans. They were scared for sure. I remember this news changed the entire feel of the trip. I mean it used to feel like yeah. We're going to close the book on something like fly to Italy and enclose the story and instead suddenly it's like. Oh No maybe this is actually the beginning of something that we're not totally prepared for so we knew he was going to be free but the next big question was okay. But was he gonNA be in Padua in the courtroom with us when we're there basically all options suddenly were on the table with this new news like it threw everything into question because dino being a free man and us being back in patio was not a scenario that we'd prepared for so I completely understood why Maria specifically was so reticent to go back and I remember these voicemails that she was sending Cecilia at the time. They were emotional Cecilia. I think having at Vatican Rag doll I thinking about the worst. I'm so scared of going there. I I wasn't so scared you'll narrow was just nervous but not feeling really scared. Sorry silly to me a little bit okay. But I don't want to annoy you have to call me our whatever. It is like me those things soon. Okay bye that gives me chills. I can really hear the fear in her voice but she. Kate still decided to come. Will thing is if you know these two women? Maria and Kate you know just how high their level of dedication is to tell the truth to tell their stories to see this. Man Put to justice so they listened to the reporters. They trusted them. They believed that they would be able to be kept safe if they did put their trust them the reporters and see the trip through and eventually they decided yet. We're doing it. We've come this far. We're not gonNA give up now despite the threat. We're going back to Padua. Okay so you all to Italy. What happens when you get there? So we all flew into Venice Kate Maria and myself and we were all scheduled to land within an hour of each other which was good. So we had a nice moment of acknowledgment. When we finally saw each other on the ground it was like okay. We're here we're in solidarity with one. Another were safe together. We're going to be good now. Let's go and get an a taxi. You knew that if this court date went the way you wanted he could go away for fourteen years just basically one year for every woman that we know he assaulted so tell me about the ride to the Court House. The next day it was pretty tense and even though it was kind of awkward I I knew it was my job to take out my phone right then in this big moment and start recording kate. Were we going right now? we are on our way to the tribunal to hear the defense make their proposition. I guess for My Leo sentencing. Yeah I don't know I'm a little nervous especially because he might be there. Yeah I'm also feeling very nervous. Now that we're on our way to the court could you could you stand between him and Maria and sure? Is that possible I I'm not sure if you would try anything I just want to feel that there is some various possible. If that's not too much to ask not at all not just WanNa make sure you pick that up there. Kate is asking me basically to be heard defacto bodyguard. How do you feel about that? Well first of all. I'm not trained for this. Not a martial artist so do Jujitsu so it's not like I'm trained to be a bodyguard at any way but I am about six feet tall and so I could be a good blocker. I suppose for them in this particular moment when I took this job I was fully aware that part of my responsibility would be to ensure that the people who I was with especially the women in this case could feel as safe as they could possibly feel so in that regard. I was actually really happy to be able to play that role for them. I will say though that nobody wanted to see him in that courtroom. This really won't be that he wouldn't be there this today. Sorry for staying. I mean he hit. His lawyer is the one who is speaking today so he could very well be there. Because who's representing him but then again that would require him to travel from the south of Italy to me here today and also Friday. So I'm not sure if you'd be able to stay here you know so. I'm not sure but I think we should prepare in case something tells me were. I feel like I think that's what's going to happen. What I think the best way is to not show fear because we're winning to be react to to think that way. I don't WanNA cower from him because he is powerless in court. I think that would just be such a stupid move. Close My streets. Millions of powerful. But I'm so scared. There's this really great photo of Kate and Maria standing with reporters in front of the courthouse. That I really want you to see so text. The Word Nine. N I N E two one eight five five six seven zero one seven seven seven. It's a really special moment and if you've got something on your mind send us a voice message or you can write us at verified at Stitcher DOT com. When I need a new pair of glasses or sunglasses I had straight to worby Parker. They always have such cute and stylish frames and they started only ninety five dollars including prescription lenses. That is a price. 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Is Dino Mago there so we get out of the cab at the courthouse in Padua? It's this big grand granted building and it was super important for us to be there on time right at nine. Am because we didn't want to miss anything that happened in this courtroom so we go through security. We turn right and we walk up to our specific courtroom. I opened the door for Kate and Maria to walk in at first. I didn't even look was in the front of their own. I I just went in your Maria. Said he's here. He's here then. I was walking I. I looked to the sideline and I saw him. Seating there in it was terrifying is the first time I went inside the courtroom in October. I kind of looked and then I took her hand and we went and we sat down and I tried very hard not to meet his gaze because he doesn't deserve that and So we go into the room kate. Maria and myself. We sit in the very center of the back row. That was set up for spectators and Malo is in the very front of the room just sitting there with a baseball cap and jeans on talking to his lawyer as casual as can be an. I'm looking around like all right so Malios here. We're here. Is there a security guard? Is there a cop in here? No then the prosecutor Falconio walked in and as he walked by Keeton Maria. He kinda like looked back and did a double take because neither he nor dino nor anybody. There really expected Kate and Maria to be in the courtroom that day. They kind of upended. Everyone's expectations and we felt that. Why were they so surprised to see the women because they weren't required to be there? They didn't have a formal role left to play in these proceedings. They had already testified back in October. And during that time it was fell. Coney who actually invited them to come to court and testify and because of that. The Italian state had paid for their travel and the prosecutor's Office had organized the whole thing. This time around. They had shown up in Italy on their own and they didn't think to call ahead and let anybody from the court know that this was going to be happening. They were a bunch of other cases on the docket that day so when we walked in there was actually another procedure. Going on that had nothing to do with Dino's trial and because of that. The atmosphere in the room was little bit chaotic kind of unsettled. It didn't feel like we walked in. And it was immediately official and out of that moment we noticed that dino was in the front of the room kind of playing on his phone and then the head judge absolutely exploded at him. We were looking at each other like what just happened here. He was sitting there very casually staring at his phone. Swiping through a bunch of APPS and opening them in closing them and I wasn't I couldn't tell I was too far away to see what he was doing and I didn't notice him. Take a photo but falcone the prosecutor at one point stormed over. And there's this big tents and of conflict of some sort in coney was pointing at my phone and like Maggie was holding it up and there was all this conversation and then it was clear from what the judge was saying. She started to to be very very very vocal very incensed. At first I had thought that Dino actually took a picture of the judge and that's why she was so angry I mean. She flipped out and yelled at him in Italian. Something like what the Hell Are you doing? Don't you know this is strictly against the rules of the courtroom for anyone? Let alone you or actually here on trial to take out your phone and take a picture. Maria is a native Portuguese speaker so she understands a little bit of Italian. I clearly understood that the judge was saying he cannot take pictures inside the courtroom on and then fuck on approach. He looked at his phone. I guess he was seeing the picture and then they said he had to delete it right there in front of them and coney immediately gets up goes over and takes. Dino's phone out of his hand and suddenly. It's like this public inquest about. What did you take the picture of? And what are we going to do about it? So it was kind of an interesting moment that the the court officials the judge the prosecutor they immediately recognized this was important and serious and fell. Coney walked over and deleted the picture. Right there click click delete. He's literally on trial for being a serial rapist and he has the nerve to take out his phone and take a picture in the courtroom. Yeah it was completely bazaar and after this whole picture thing the judge had basically had enough of Dino and so she threw him out of the courtroom and told him. Don't come back until we summon you for your actual court proceeding to obey the judge's order and get out of the courtroom Dino and his lawyer had to walk right by where we were. I felt that the balance shift. Actually he got up and left in very pointedly looked away from us in didn't acknowledge us in left the courtroom just moments. After we had arrived it felt like he was feeling vulnerable and he. He even wouldn't look at us because normally if you're not paying attention to anything when you're walking you're looking in front. And he clearly turned his head to the other side to avoid us. My impression was Maglione was throwing a minor temper. Tantrum is what it seemed like. He he stormed out and it was very childish. Is like a Childish Energy. The one distinction between today and when we testified as that he's technically a free man and I think seeing him have agency even though it's a very limited agency in the courtroom was really anxiety inducing because this whole time I've thought well he's he's a prisoner he's behind bars and so I think I'm just like Maria feeling the same anxiety because he just feels unpredictable right now given that he's a free agent while Dino was still kicked out of the courtroom falcone took it upon himself to call in some reinforcements for us and that definitely made us all feel relieved but after that moment that came in Yeti came into the courtroom and it was very clear from Toconas gestures that he had orchestrated that to offer them protection. And have some surveillance so at this point the real deal trial that we have been waiting for was about to kick off so the judges came in and took their seats. The lawyers got themselves set up and dino himself came back into the courtroom and took his seat in the back row where I was sitting Kate and Maria were next to me. They were supporting each other emotionally physically literally next to each other holding onto each other so of those two days that we're going to be the final argument days in court. Wednesday. The first day was the day for the defense and because of that Kogo Dino's lawyer got up and began to give his defense so finally our backup started to show up I. I saw Giulio one of the Iraqi reporters walk in. Say Hi to everybody quietly and then start taking notes about Dino's lawyer cogos performance. Giulio kept telling us that in Italy. You don't have to perform in court. There's no jury to convince and so it was weird. That cogos defense seemed kind of over. The top was a botanical. It was saying like Oh well the media I've already judged client and he's already been presented as a guilty man. Kate I know had a hard time listening to it. Having this detailed account of of what the lawyer said I mean it's every victims every survivor's most painful part is having your story denied by a man. I knew that we're approaching it very technically and looking at it from a lot of legal perspectives and that in many ways there's a lot of groundless arguments and that we can expect his lawyer to make those arguments. I mean that his that is his job is to deny. I'm just not at that point. Where hearing those denials under whatever setting professional or legal or otherwise is not deeply upsetting so at the end of this session. The defense had basically rested. Court was adjourned. The weird part about leaving. Is that remember? Dino was let free from his prison sentence before this trial there is no restriction on him so we walk out of the courthouse. He walks out and suddenly we're like in each other's orbit were relatively close to another. Were walking one direction and there. He is rolling his suitcase away in the other seeing him just crossing the street with his suitcase. Like he's here he's around us. He could be anywhere. I was wondering if he was GonNa follow us or come. Find US where we're eating lunch or something like that yeah. It's really stressful to think about that. That sounds super creepy. The whole day sounds exhausting actually while we were absolutely happy to get out of there because these women had to travel so far just to face down dino in court again and we were all glad that was over but none of us could really get the picture that he took out of our minds. So the next day Thursday Cecilia reached out to Falcon the prosecutor's office and asked them. Hey what was the deal with that picture? We went to a cafe where Cecilia broke the news. So here is the thing I message prosecutor discussed and he said that yes Mario did take a picture of you from the you were very much into Beckerman of fuel. And he was forced to raise it so he doesn't have the pictures anymore and when the judge got nuts. You remember like human judge. The female judge said What are you doing? And he said that The plan was to share this picture with his lawyer so that his lawyer would just know that you were in court. We think that in a way we understand that this is really scary for you but prosecutors said there is nothing to worry about. And he'll believe that this thing will be actually used against him in harsh way tomorrow so I know that it's nothing that can make you feel better about it. But in a way he did something stupid. Nobody expected him to be so stupid and he and he was which is to come down to court quite serious now to me. Maria is basically the most savvy person in this entire story so she knew right off the bat that even if dino has claimed hey. I've deleted this photo. You don't have anything to worry about. There are recycled photo folders in most phones. Now so that. If you delete a photo you can go and recover it later if you want to undo that action also when Dino got caught taking the picture he claimed that it was so he could send it to his lawyer and Maria wasn't vying that either. I have other questions that I didn't understand something. He said it was the show. He's lawyer but his lawyer was there. Now here's another lawyer in polio. But in any case I think it's bullshit I think it's just an excuse. Then he's intention was something else I think he wanted to do. Something else with those pictures out like send it to someone someone else so they would know. Howard dressed or something so someone could keep an eye on as our come after us for some reason or nowhere. We're staying or something like that. It seemed like this whole situation with the picture really freaked everybody out. We had this really nice place in Padoa booked through the weekend and when Dino took the picture of Kate Maria and myself it just threw a monkey wrench into everything it made us consider. Oh God like maybe. We need to get out of this town now. Maybe we need to not even wait to see guilty. Innocent was sentenced. No maybe we need to leave. I think we should all move out to sea tomorrow night and it doesn't need to be you know on the moon. It can even just venues but I think that here. It's sort of his territory if we want to see it from from emotional fun of you. Any ad replacing eats elites super-safe for more view on and be there tomorrow. I mean we're here. I'm with you. It's going to be fine for sure but I'm thinking of going to virtual right after instead of staying hearing so we were GonNa see it through. It was not acceptable to just leave at this point. We were on the doorstep of finishing the story but we were also not going to hang around and so we decided we're gonna go see the verdict. We're going to see the whole thing through but we're not going to stay in Padua a minute longer than we need to be there and seeing the whole thing through meant stain for the verdict. No matter the outcome next time unverified a six year battle for justice reaches its climax. I want to hear it from the judge's mouth and I want to be there and of course there is the idea that okay. What if the judge says he is innocent? I mean many women have experienced that before I have plenty of friends. Who were asking me. What happens when if he says that but I. I don't know all I know is that I will have showed up. I'm Natasha del. Toro and this is verified this season of verified as reported by Lsu Toronto. Cecilia honesty and Julia Rubio of Europe. Investigative Reporting Project Italy. It's written and produced by me. Natasha del Toro. 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We really appreciate all of your support, and if you WANNA, get in on this, not just having your name called out, but also requesting dinosaurs and watching movies with us and chatting discord what we do it every week. Then check our page at patron dot com slash dino. Jumping into the news up first, we have the ankylosaur paper because ankylosaurs always come before so our bats. Gel. Even when this new dinosaurs! I, don't know about this method. Whose paper is fantastic and it is gut contents. favorites. Compared to soar, Pied. It's the story Palm Morph. It's not even a real sore Baden get on with it, okay? So this article was written by Kayla Brown and others, and that's a clue what it is. It was published in the Royal Society Open, science which is open access, and it's really well written. We talk to Kayla Brown. Years ago at this point when? Shortly after he described Borio Pelata. There are good gut contents there are the hen been formally described are really described in any way that I had seen before. This paper came out so I really like this article, because in it they define most of the botany terms for US dinosaur people, so it's not too hard to follow along with, but I had to go down a much rabbit holes anyway just because. His very interesting. But what it's all about is that bore yellow gut contents. You're probably familiar with aalto. It's that amazing and Kyle or at the Royalty Museum Alberta Canada it looks almost mummified. It has its eyelids. It has Carrollton on his armor on its back, and obviously gut contents as well is pretty much articulated. It looks just like something I buried and preserved exactly like it was stuck in Carbonite Star, wars style and then they've discovered at one hundred million years later. COOLEST finds scene. But this paper is all about the Colo light or colon rock. The dinosaur hadn't heard of Cola light before. We usually talk about Koper light. Which is the poop fossilized? This is the fossilized anything in the GI tract. It doesn't have to be specifically in the colon. Yeah, and in this case they think it was probably in the stomach or gizzard. More of that later, but interestingly the stomach position of boreal PELATA where they ended up sectioning off. To test. What was in the Gut? Contents is in the same position that combined Soroush that Australian and Kyla or had its got contents, and apparently it's pretty much where our stomach is sort of like. If we're on all fours, and you pointed to your stomach. That is essentially where the stomach is in the cows, or maybe a little bit farther down because our stomach actually kind of up by our heart, most people, their stomachs are actually pointing to their intestines. Your stomach isn't really by your belly button. That's intestine slow higher up and on the left side, and apparently that left sided shift is the same in almost all vertebrates, so including fish humans dinosaurs. We all have our stomach kind of in our torso on the left side. It's pretty interesting is interesting. That's one of those things where it's like something. You wouldn't predict being the same in everything by evolution but I guess there's no reason for it to shift around all the time, yeah! The authors point out that quote. Mega herbivores in other words over a metric ton have disproportionate effects on the landscapes they occupy and are termed keystone urban wars in quote, so what exactly boreal Pelata eight is obviously very important, because it had a pretty big impact on the environment, although Boreal Delta is estimated as thirteen hundred kilograms or twenty nine hundred pounds, which is even smaller than a lot of today's Mammalian Mega Erba. Wars, which all mega herbivores apparently are now mammals. There are no more mega herbivores dinosaurs. Even ostriches are a little too light to make the cut. True, but it may be imagined like sore pods at tens of thousands of kilograms. Just how much they would have impacted, the environment would have made this reality impact seem small by comparison I'm sure so like I said in order to figure out the gut contents, and what it contained, they took thin slices of the gut contents, and then through under a microscope. That's the process known as histology that we talk about a lot. It's destructive, so it's not always popular to do because once. Once you cut it. You can't uncut it, but you can learn so much from doing this kind of sampling. If you read a report about it, you probably got the wrong idea about what was in his gut contents. Everything I saw said that it was eighty eight percent plant material. It's definitely not eighty eight percent plant material. It was fifty five percent rock in the form of gastro lists, so most of what was in there was rocks grinding the food. That's a lot of gastro this. Was Twenty five percent Matrix, which is basically fill rock that came in during the fossilised process, seven percent, empty space, and just thirteen percent actual plant food in the mix that seems like a very inefficient digestive system. well as possible there I mean we don't know exactly what it was like when it was alive, so it's possible that maybe that material digest and a little bit more after it died because it sitting in stomach acid presumably, so maybe that empty space. Maybe it was like twenty percent before or maybe the Matrix squished down, so it was taking up more space. It's hard to say. Do you think the rocks? Its stomach helped at sink to the bottom of the water. Maybe although usually when they depict the bloat and float thing they have it up down when the stomach up, so I guess relative to that huge armor shield on its back. The rocks were nothing. Yeah, probably not too much. But it might have helped out a no. They didn't find any animal parts in there. I was kind of hoping there'd be just like a little piece of a mammal, or like a little too or something to show that inkata's our was munching on a slow mammal or some other animal, but I can't think of an animal. That's much slower than a guy, or they're not yet to be quick to hunt. Even something that's injured and I don't think in college stores were really up to the task. Maybe they could scavenge though who knows. Of the plant material that thirteen percent of the stomach, which is actually something, maybe it could have digested eighty eight percent of it is basically leaves. They call it leaves, but it's really like eighty five percent ferns in about three percent cycads, and then some traces of conifers which are things like pine trees and Redwood, and maybe a tiny bit of angiosperms in the mix, so is mostly eating ferns against firms have leaves, but it's not usually what. What I think of when I think of leaves, it's a different sort of thing most of that, too was in sort of a mashed up partially digested sort of look to it. It wasn't like these nice now. Fern pressings where you could look at it and see it, and all this detail kind of mashed up and not super easy to identify the other twelve percent of the plant material because I said eighty eight percent of his leaves. Contained three percents stems four percent other, would and six percent charcoal other. Would yes, you know when you're eating and you don't have hands? You might accidentally pick up some like bark or larger things that are a little bit bigger than a stem. The IT happens and they've got the Castro lists a pretty hardy digestive tract, so I guess they're not sweating. Four percent of their food being just would. Although I if I was served something and seven percent of it was inevitable would. Wouldn't be super excited about or maybe twelve percent if you include the charcoal, that's a big percentage when you consider only thirteen percent was vegetation. Drew which makes it only like eleven or twelve percent? That's actually digestible, but the charcoal is really interesting, because it might indicate that bore alto was munching on ferns in a recently burned down conifer forest. which gives you a good stage to think about what it might have looked like in its final days or a about the benefits of activated charcoal? As possible, some animals do intentionally charcoal so it could be doing that. Sort of like the Hadrosaur that seemed to be eating would to get those crustaceans in it. To get the calcium could be the same kind of weird thing that we don't know about or likes a smokey flavor. Yeah, but in order for there to be that much charcoal around. It did have to be somewhere that there was a fire at least semi recently say in order to really carefully determine whether what they were looking at was gut contents versus just other plant material that happened. Fossil is about where a stomach would be. They really carefully compared the gut contents, or the presumed cut contents to the surrounding matrix. That wasn't in the gut contents spot. It's really important with herb wars because there's a huge opportunity for contamination. What we're mostly looking at stuff like pollen that fossilized as relatively easily, and you can easily imagine that when it died if it's opened up. Any kind of pollen could easily just get inside its body, and then if you're looking inside and you'd say oh well, this is inside. You must be something at eight, but really during fossilized. Most of the stuff that ends up where it's guts would be is just surrounding matrix. Rightness is stuff that's in the environment, so it's a really important thing to look into one of the keys to this is looking at differences between what's inside and outside, because presumably animals don't eat everything equally. We tend to assume that they have a little bit of a selection going on. They're not just shoveling everything into their mouth. They probably prefer one food or another, so if there's more of one type of food inside, and it's a different distribution than what's outside. That's a good clue, but one of the problems with that can be if you imagine say you've got a dinosaur and it's kind of. Up on the gut side, because it's dead, and things are snacking on it or its decaying. If there's some sort of flow of material, it could potentially select for different types of materials like say smaller things might collect inside the abdomen, whereas larger things might wash by if say, water's running by, and it's kind of moving material by so that alone isn't really good enough. You WanNa. Look for a lot of other factors that came up with fourteen different factors in what might tell you that it was gut contents versus just surrounding material, and they went through, and they ranked every other or rigorous dinosaur that has preserved gut contents. which really wasn't that many their only like eight of them that I guess we're good enough to make their list. One example is a sore pod, and in its quote, Unquote Gut contents, and included an allosaurus tooth and a bunch of other bone fragments. And maybe using that as a makeshift gastro, if Maybe but it seems a lot more likely that this wasn't actually. It's got contents and it was just material that was sort of washed in. And that's basically what everyone has said. Since paper was published like this probably isn't really got gut contents. Come on, guys just because it was inside. The abdomen doesn't mean that has contents. There's also an advantage you can find. Some things preserved better inside versus outside the guts like I was talking about with how a lot of the material that seems to be content, so SORTA mashed up. That's the kind of thing. Thing, you'd expect to see and gut contents, whereas you wouldn't expect to see that sort of mashed mess outside. You'd expect to see more intact structures potentially, and then there are other things like spores that are just even like a super durable, so you can find them inside outside all over the place. So after they went through all of these traits and went through all of the other rivers dinosaurs, they threw out. Out almost all of the other dinosaurs, and said like that probably got contents, or there isn't a lot of support for it. Except they had one other really good case and other than boreal upheld the only other dinosaur, they considered well supported in terms of its gut contents was combined Soros and Kumara source. Is that much smaller Australian Ankylosaur? We saw it at the Queensland Museum just about nine months ago now i. I think it's the one they compared to to figure out what part of the stomach they're looking at. It was like right in that exact. Same spot has combined sewers, and interestingly, though in combat Soroush. It is much smaller, but they didn't find any gastritis in it, which makes me think maybe Kamara source. They were sampling the stomach versus Boreal Delta. There were sampling the GIZZARD which would help to explain why. Doesn't have any gas royalists whereas PELATA was mostly. Gasser lists. Since, we do think that a lot of dinosaurs had gizzards especially with Kyle Zora's because they didn't really have good teeth for chewing south. They're just kind of swallowing stuff whole. It'd be nice if go going a gizzard kick ground up by those gizzard stones and move onto the stomach for a little bit more chemical treatment, or maybe go back and forth A. Like happens in some birds. Similar to Brielle Appel Todo, I went back and reread the combat sores paper just to be thorough in Kumar's about ten percent of its contents, they think was plant material, which is pretty similar to the thirteen percent that we see morale helter. And in Kumara source again, they said it was mostly killer tissue, which is probably stuff like ground up leaves. Their otherwise kind of smashed up leaves so in addition to both of them having a Lotta features that make them look individually like they're probably got contents. They also align with each other. So the pair of them sort of support that you know it's probably gut contents, because otherwise you'd have to have the same coincidence of things being shoved into the abdomen after they died and fossilising just so yeah true. Do not like this description of things getting shoved in abdomens. So when they're comparing what was inside versus outside of Boreal Pelata, they identified fifty different Pallini Morphs I. Think is how you say it, and what Pallini Morph is is a tough fossil. That's microscopic. The maximum size is half a millimeter in the larger dimension. Wow, so yeah, these are really small things in this case is pretty much pollen and spores, but they're super useful. They're really useful in general in Paleontology. Just like those. Those little microfossils of aquatic animals that seem to evolve quickly, and then you can use them to sort of date things because there's a lot of evolution happening, and they preserve well same kind of things with these microfossils of the fifty, they could only identify forty two of them a specific tax. It's pretty good idea I was pretty impressed and I think one of got named based on this finding at one point as well. Twenty eight of them are ferns and things that are pretty similar. Looking called Club mosses. Many of those were found inside boreal Celtics Gut. Again, these of these fifty this is fifty that we're both inside and outside of Morale Pelata. Because when you don't selectively eat pollen and spores. Really so you'd expect to see. A lot of distributed everywhere. It's more of just an idea about what's in the environment. There were twelve conifers again. That's things like Pines and redwood trees, despite there being less than half as many types of pollen of conifers versus ferns. They made up most of the external sample in terms of the quantity, so the fact that there were only traces of conifer plant material inside morale health is gut versus there being a large amount of at outside of God helps to show that it wasn't just things getting washed in because we would have expected to see way more conifer inside or pelts, case and then last, but not least the two, maybe three angiosperms which are plants with flowers and fruit. There wasn't really any in the gut contents. There's maybe a little trace of it based on some unidentified leaves, but this is early Albion, which is about one hundred ten million years ago, so we don't think angiosperms were really widely distributed at that point, so it's not too surprising that there weren't many angiosperms. The paper include some really cool pictures. They're not like leaf pressings like I said. The leaves are in Cross section. If they're identifiable at all, so you can kind of see a little bit that spongy leaf tissue at least once under a microscope. But most of the spores and other tiny stuff looks pretty cool. It's hard for me to make any sense of it, but it's got all sorts of different spikes, patterns and things so people that know what they're looking at can identify this and say oh. That's this type of Furner Club mosser whatever. There is one really cool twig with growth rings, though that's a couple of millimeters wide, so you can actually see even though it's only a couple millimeters across its at least two years old. ONE SLOW GROWING TWIG! And under a microscope, the twits enormous, because these are little, tiny sections are looking at trying to find details of pollen inside it. I also feel like I should mention previously. It's been reported that there's a potentially pescadores meaning fish eating, and Kyle our in China and so I was kind of hoping to see some fish bones or something in this guy, but it looks like it was in a forest, so maybe it just wasn't near fish. We don't know if it's this individual. Specifically went after Ferns, and these types of foods or it just happened to be going. After an opportunity that came up and the same for Ankylosaur in China, the it just goes after whatever opportunity strikes and that's what this individual came across 'cause. Really we're just looking at a snapshot of time. In one individual were not looking at all boreal Delta and not even all of this boy album puertas diet over the course of a year, so it's really hard to draw any conclusions outside of just. This is what he was eating that day. Yes, and just want to mention could be a guy or Gal. Don't know the gender, true. Yeah. I always think of it as male because the species name is Mark Mitchell I after the prepared or kind of like, sue the t rex I always think of this view female 'cause it's named after Sue Henderson who found it? But really the is not true. Good Point. One really cool thing about this paper, though is I think it's a great opportunity for Pale Yard unfortunately. There wasn't any included with the paper, but we know so much about it now. We know it was snacking on ferns. In recently burnt conifer forest again six percent of its gut contents had burnt wood, versus only four percent for non Brentwood so even if it was trying to eat burnt would, there was a lot of burnt wood. There was a lot of valuable. And we also know that firms often pop up I after a fire so when a frost burns down firms are kind of a disaster tax I you can think of them. They're really going to spring up on little to notice. And taking over the place at least briefly before other trees and stuff can grow, and in this case it looks like boreal. Delta was ready and waiting and wants all us. Firms popped up was go time and got in there and started snacking away. Apparently Moose and other urban do this today. When forest burned down and ferns pop up, they get in their eat a whole bunch of ferns. It's pretty interesting, maybe making morale like Moose of the Cretaceous. Probably lead to its downfall. Considering died shortly after. Yeah, I was thinking too like you could imagine the scenario where it was recently burned down possibly making it more susceptible the flooding because you don't, you might not have all the routes in the the strength of those trees and plants, holding the soil together so that if there's a strong rain afterwards could be more susceptible to flooding, and then get washed away and turned upside down, and the rest is history exactly. It also made me wonder like I wonder if that charcoal. In, the sediment might have led to that especially thick concretion that it was found in. That preserved it so well. Maybe. I don't know that didn't say anything about this. I'm just. Randomly speculating. But one thing that they did say that there is support for is what time of year it died so apparently. They think there's good evidence that had died in the late spring to midsummer, which is a pretty specific time range is this is based partly on the lags in that tweet that had eight because you can tell essentially how far through the season it was because in the winter is when the lag forms, so if you can kind of measure from the most recent lag and see how frequently they're growing. You can kind of estimate what time of year was and on top of that are different types of pollen that are in its got, and in the surrounding Matrix Hell Tae densify those forty two. Yeah, exactly because if you know that there's a certain type of plant which tends to release all its pollen in that late spring, midsummer timeframe, and there's a whole bunch of that pollen present then that's a good indicator. Good old gut contents mayor pretty good. They are, but they're very tricky. Identify when it comes to reverse I think it's a lot easier when it comes to carnivores because. You're unlikely to find like a massive ground up bone and stuff just. Laying around. Maybe it's easier to identify that as you find that in an animal, it's probably something at eight eight as I wonder if you find a whole animal in a carnivorous gut content. If you could take that at face value now. Yeah, well, we did talk about that small bird like. An Anti Iron Athene from the J., whole Biota or something that seemed like it's swallowed a lizard face I mean. Do you remember that one and then died after the fact and it's Kinda like inside. What looks like it would have been where it's August. was seems like a pretty good explanation. Yes I'll. I recently saw a video of a seagull swallowing rat hole, so yeah, the seagull swallowing the rat hole is an insane video, yes. It shows that opportunistic nature of Seagulls, and why they will eventually re inherit the earth. Just the capabilities of dinosaurs general. Still going after mammals. Everyone ruin no sponsors but us in our fantastic patrons this week, so if you haven't already joined, we have five exciting levels. There's dynamic is at the four dollar level which includes extended interviews and other bonus content, plus you can request a dinosaur of the day. Vote in our polls chat with us on discord play arc on our private server and get a personalized video. Thank you at the ankylosaurs. Eight dollar level you get all the dynamic has benefits plus. 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This one looks more like a traditional early dinosaur. By people long short long. Front toback short going up. Makes more sense? It's named Iris Soroush human insists and irises ors is after the quote, famous iridescent clouds of Yunan province and quote. And holds pointed out that the name should be Irit. Soroush, because it's euro-dissent and that's how you Latin. Is it none iris or Iressa source of whatever they're gone for? I'm just going to call it a rigorous because I trust holds that that's the correct way to call it, and then human insists is after Yemen county. where it was found, you might be able to tell based on this name that is from China from the fungi. Her formation, which is just a bit southwest of the Lou fung formation so if you know fungus. That's another sewer Potter Morph. Very common everywhere they are. Also a similar age to Lucas is about one hundred ninety five million years old, putting it in the very early Jurassic, said time period. We don't have very well preserved in North America, but it's pretty good down there in southern China. Of Irit Assuras, they found a pretty good part of the maybe front third of the animal. Basically they got both arms in good detail with most of the bones all the way between the fingertips up through the shoulders so good front arms. The rest of it is not nearly as good. They did find several neck vertebrae a couple of back vertebrae. They said over fifty rib fragments, but they didn't show much of that and I. Don't know how big these fragments are, so I'm not sure how many ribs that accounts do because you could have one rib broken into fifty pieces, and that'd be fifty reprints. But ribs on all that useful anyway for figuring out what an animal is like. On the other hand they did find two pieces of the HIP. Is more useful, a partial toe bone, and some of the upper and lower jaws including a tooth. Nice, it's always good to get part of the skull when he can. It's about five meters or sixteen feet long. If you recreated its entire body lengths, obviously, those fossils alone are only maybe a meter long, but there's no mention of lags or any other age markers that I could find in the paper, so you have to take that size with a grain of salt. Because who knows. Maybe it was three years old, and it would have gotten five times that big. We just didn't say, but it is pretty small. Even foreign early sore potter morph sort of that typical like long lengths head to tail direction by people stance. Its neck isn't particularly long, so couldn't have gotten its head up that much. Just kind of looks like a sewer potter more generically speaking. The hands as you'd expect, don't look like they would have been very good feet because they weren't fate yet exactly, but they do look like. Maybe they could pro- nate a little bit because they had a lot of details from the arms and the risks, so it looks like maybe they could have rotated a little bit. impregnating again is like. If you're doing push ups, you have to put your hands in a pro native position, whereas if you're clapping, that's not pro naked, and we talk about how dinosaurs like velociraptor probably couldn't pro nate, so they would have had their arms in the clap slash flapping. If you're a bird, sort of dimension, but sore potter morphs for the most part we can tell from the footprints pro-nato their hands, quite a bit as most quadrupedal animals like to get the toes in front is nice, so this one may be was able to do a little bit of that pro nation. The arms look like they reached maybe about halfway to the ground. In its standing posture so again. Yeah, probably not using its front limbs feet, unless it wanted to really angle downward awkwardly I mean I guess we don't have its hind legs, so maybe they could have been really short and completely different than every other early dinosaur. We found, but seems pretty unlikely, so we're going with bipedal. The hands though it's interesting. When you look at them closely, you can see a lot of similarities to the front feet of the later huge sore pods. They've got the really short individual fingers, and they've got pretty long claws, just like you see on some of the later sewer pods that we think would have been good at like scratching the ground and stuff. It's really interesting. You can see these connections and they don't look like they would have been very good at grasping anything to speak of so. This wasn't like carnivorous by any stretch because it's, it's not grabbing anything with these short stocky fingers. What was the point by tournament defeat? Exactly Interestingly the one to that they have doesn't have any dentals or separations on it, and most other or paramore's from that time do so. It's kind of a weird tooth. There's one other relative has from the area, though that also doesn't have dente calls, so it's not super weird. It look superficially to me. kind of like a Kamera Soroush chiseled type tooth familiar with the type of teeth that Chimera Sores has. It's not like a diplotic tooth, which is real thin. Peg like sort of like a pencil. It's significantly wider. I think they said. The length to width ratio is something like two and a half. Half so pretty beefy tooth in there. They couldn't fit that many in their jaw when they did their file, genetics came out as a relative to move Sorus and Moose Soroush was about twenty million years earlier well it back into the triassic end and Argentina, so it's a little bit weird, because this one's way over in China and is less closely related to the Chinese dinosaurs, but back in the early Jurassic Triassic. It was a lot closer getting between China and South America. Than it is now. You can pretty much walk all the way there so I. Guess is not too surprising that their close. And IRYNA Soroush. In its file genetics is just outside of Sore Potter forms. If you're familiar with that group, it's sort of halfway between the earliest sore potter morphs in Real Sore Prada. We never really talk about sewer. Potter formulas because we saw morph that just includes all of their early stuff. We don't have to worry about it then if it gets reclassified later. But. Yeah, so this is sort of in the middle is considered pretty base, although if it's outside a sore pot for Ms. One kind of cool thing about its hands. It had a pretty big claw, and it was curved on its first finger, so they said that maybe it was. I don't know how much I buy that. Because the finger bones leading up to that law really don't look like they could ben very much, but maybe it was enough to be able to grasp onto like a tree could hook onto a branch or something. Yeah, that kind of thing. I don't think it's going to be able to grasp as in like picking up anything. And to that end, it had included Paleo Art, which shows it sorta using its hands to help it proper self up on a tree, so that it can reach its head up higher, because didn't have the great neck of later sewer pods, so maybe it used its hands sort of work its way up the tree, a little bit. So go reach. Some of those tasty tree leaves three stars maybe. I mean almost certainly not, but maybe. One can imagine. Got Sore bottom off now though nice. In other dinosaur news we heard about some reopenings for museums, so the Field Museum in Chicago reopening on July twenty fourth, and they're taking a lot of precautions, so the number of visitors allow will be twenty five percent of their buildings. Capacity visitors will have entry times to go into the museum and everyone over the age of two must wear a mask while yes. Yes, they're also be hand sanitizers around the building and floor markers to help with social distancing, and they promised to do frequent cleaning to the museum falling CDC Guidelines, Oh, and interactive exhibits and exhibits in small spaces are still closed as interesting with the mask I can't imagine trying to put a mask on a three year, olds. I would not be an easy task. bribed them with dinosaurs. Maybe maybe. I wonder if they let in children under two at all. Oh I didn't see on their guidelines. Have to call and ask. I'd be pretty nervous even going in if it was twenty five percent capacity. People. Yet, they were looking based on the size of their building. Yeah, that's good. Dinosaur halls are still going to be crowded though you know it well, that's partly why there's specific entry times that you can go in. Make sense in London the Natural History Museum reopening on August. Fifth visitors are going to have to buy tickets in advance. You'll also be admitted based on the time of your ticket and everyone over the age of eleven. There must wear. A mask is going to be hand, sanitizer stations, and then signs for social distancing, and they will also be cleaning facilities regularly. Oh, end some hands on exhibits in digital touch screens will be closed accents, and then last that we heard about recently anyway. The Royal Saskatchewan Museum has. has already reopened some things though like the Paleo pit is closed. A maximum of seventy five people can enter that museum at any given time. And when you visit, you'll need to provide your contact information. In case, the museum needs to work with the health authority on any contact racing, and all visitors over the age of three must wear a mask. The also have hand sanitizers available around the museum and visitors. We'll have to stay. Two meters away from others follow marked routes through the galleries for social distancing. Really interesting where they're drawn. The line is you've got two year old sin above three year olds, and above an eleven year olds and above have to wear masks. Let's three different countries. I guess, maybe things are a little bit more calm down in the UK, so they feel like they can notch up to eleven year, olds and up maybe not clear on the reasoning behind all of it, I'm glad that they're enforcing masks, though because it is the number one way to stop the spread of coronavirus so. Good on them I. Definitely will not be onto a data store museum anytime soon though I'm scared to even just thinking about it. Like thinking there's seventy five people in there with you and you have to sign up just in case you might have caught it Lia. Actually psyched myself up enough to get there. And they said sign this. In case somebody in here corona virus and we need to tell you about it I'd be like okay. I'm going home. I don't think any museums near US are reopening. No California's not ready. Chicago's just a little out of reach for us right now. In New Jersey feels station. Dinosaurs is teaching kids about social distancing wearing. And part of it is they put masks on all the dinosaurs. That's a pretty 'cause fully outdoors. feel maybe okay with that still probably. FADEAWAY! It's hard when you get excited about dinosaurs to stay six feet away. In other news on August six in Langley British Columbia and Canada. There's going to be an animatronic dinosaur and fossil auction, and that will include more than fifty animatronic dinosaurs and other animatronic equipment, as well as hundreds of fossils and dinosaurs include t, Rex, Bruno Soares triceratops velociraptor arena source. Kendra sourced Alaska Sorus. Sorus and on the fossil, said Ms Margaret Source Amiga One yes, and on the fossil side there would be fossilized eggs trial bites and leaves, and this collection came about because a Canadian subsidiary of a firm went bankrupt. I'm not sure which firm. So that's who to thank if you end up buying one of these. Or not thank if you liked going there before. People can see all the items on display on August fifth. As long as you're wearing masks in person, there's GonNa. Be No minimum bids, and the auction will take place online only starting at nine thirty. A. M. Pacific Time whatever you buy, though you will need to transport yourself. So think about that when bidding. According to Aldergrove Star which wrote about this quote. The designs appear similar to those created by a Chinese company called Gung, Oolong, science and technology and quote, and that's one of the largest of more than two dozen companies in Sichuan China. That makes dinosaur replicas. So you could compare the price of a new one and have your starting point for what you pay for used. One I guess, or you'll much lower see. We can get away with. One of our listeners. I think mentioned this to us and if we needed any, and I was thinking well, maybe for our front yard. We could we stick something out there. We don't have the space. We don't Never Marcus Aurelius at least. For any of the. Deal. Office is out there. For sure, how would we even get it here? That's the problem. Yeah, that would probably cost more than whatever we end up fitting. Yes, definitely. Immediate News the Hulu Platform, which unfortunately I think you can only watch in the US, but they have a new movie called Palm Springs. This was trending on twitter a little bit. It's time loop romantic comedy. It stars Andy Sandberg and Kristen Malati and Scott's dinosaurs in it and Gary and I watched it. There are two scenes with dinosaurs. These are potential spoilers. If you WANNA. Watch the movie I come back and listen to this. A real way, it doesn't really have anything to do with the story, but. In one of the scenes, the characters are in the desert, and they cease and dinosaurs, and it's unclear if they hallucinate him, or if the dinosaurs are real, and there's some weird time loop stuff happening and they're near. One of the explanations is that the characters are near the dinosaurs that are featured. Pee Wee's big adventure, so maybe they saw those sculptures before, and that's why they could have hallucinated them interesting. I'm surprised. You just call them dinosaurs because they were definitely sore pods stats true where sore pods. weirdly distance and it has nothing to do with the plot of the booby things pretty weird. You can barely see them. It's pretty good movie though I like to so the writer of the movie Andy Ciara. Made some comments about this, because a lot of people were talking about it, and he wrote I could say that you have to. Characters don't believe they're capable of love. And in that moment maybe they fall in love. Dinosaurs don't exist, but in that moment they exist. It's two things that are impossible, or I can also just say that I love drastic park and I wanted to put that in there. It felt right in that moment. How do we make the scenes? Stand out more. What better way than to add dinosaurs. Museum more dinosaurs. Just being added the scenes that make no sense. Good Choice. It was a fun movie, but you can't explain the dinosaurs. Adult Watch it thinking. You're going to see some dinosaurs cause you barely do. Yeah, it's not for the dinosaurs. In Jurassic World Dominion News Sam Neill WHO's returning as dodger Allen has said that there will be screaming. Hey, sit in a recent interview quote. I can't give anything away, but a real dinosaur is a compelling thing to someone who's devoted his life to them. There will be screaming. We know this and quote. Was a little confused by that, because the reason dodger Allen went to Jurassic Park in the first place was because he was someone who has devoted his life's dinosaurs, but I guess it sucks back in because of that. or He has no choice because the dinosaurs everywhere, that's true. Oh, as Dr Grant Ellie Sadler and Malcolm will have large, not cameo roles in the moving The. Most important one there is Jeff Goldblum. Yes, Malcolm. We need more Jeff Goldblum. Maybe, they'll reenact. They're mean. Get Him shirtless and wounded. In Game News. There's a trailer for a new game called death ground where you need to outsmart dinosaurs, and you can play this game, solo or co OP. It's a survival horror game with AI dinosaurs, said sounds like Jurassic Park, but with a to me. The game is set to go out early access in two thousand, twenty one and they'll be fully released in twenty twenty two. It's got a ways to go interesting. And last for people who like dinosaurs and baking the Guardian shared a Spanish burnt Basque cheesecake recipe decorated with dinosaur cookies. The recipes says you can also use dinosaur figuring. Why would you do that? If you're going to decorate dinosaurs anyway, so for the dinosaur cookies or biscuits part it recommends making ginger biscuits and shape them with dinosaur cookie cutters, so there's not actually a lot of Info on the dinosaur park, but it still sounds delicious and the pictures really pretty. I say make volcanic than the dinosaurs are sitting precariously on top people love mix volcanoes in dinosaurs. I think it's because of the old extinction theories, but it makes about as much sense as putting a humans around a volcano. Its cheesecake and cookie so. I guess it's harder to make a cake like crater or an impact or coming down. Yes, maybe you can have like a mid impact of like a big bulbous bump. Put some dents in. It may get like the impact or hitting. You can have a cake smashing party where the dinosaurs are on top of the cake, and then you just smash it with your hand. and. That's the crater I was expecting you to say smashed into my face. I. Know You like to do that well when you let me. was only that our wedding. And now onto our dinosaur of the day, crypto source, which was a request from Turkey a Tamer. VR discordant patriots, so thanks crypt source was an entirely soy that lived in the late Jurassic, and what is now England in the anthill clay formation in Cambridgeshire dubious genus, because it's only known from a partial femur this Femur, though it's really thick and stout, it's out thirteen inches or thirty three centimeters long and the femur belong to either sub, adult or an adult. Crypt Zora's was or business, and the type, and only species is crypto Soroush Marras the genus name means Hidden Lizard, and it refers to being a rare find because it was the first one found in the Oxford clay formation. Even though later, it was determined to be from amtel clay formation, but that's a story we'll get into in a minute. The species name means well formed thigh in Greek, so they found a partial right femur in eighteen, sixty nine. Early days of finding dinosaur bones, and was found by geologist Lucas, Ewbank, who donated it to the Woodward Museum, Cambridge Harry Seeley, the named Crypt Soroush in eighteen, sixty nine and lease description was very brief. I'll read. The whole thing was quote on a shelf? G is temporarily placed the FEMUR of dinosaur from the Oxford Clay crypto source humorous end quote. Quite the description so useful, right? Standards for these things well, he did give a full description in eighteen, seventy five. It took him six years. Seeley thought that crypto sores was an animal quote of sluggish habits, and that it may have been cold-blooded will. We used to think that dinosaurs were boarded. He also thought the crypto sores was related to wanted on again. Not many dinosaurs found at this point, and then later in nineteen o nine Frederick von Hyun classified, criticize as Camptosar Day and then in one thousand nine hundred peer, golden. Phone crypto source to be, unkindness. Twist Yup so. Quickly go over the name Crypto Soroush. Richard Lie Decker renamed Crypto in eighteen, eighty, nine to Crypto Drako because he thought that Krypton was already used to name a crocodile form in eighteen, thirty two by the scientific rules. The first name has to be the one that stays. But, it turns out that this was in error and due to the wrong spelling. The crocodile form was actually sister source instead of crypto source, so the encrypted sores was actually free to name the dinosaur after for some reason, linebacker said that it was unknown where this Femur was found, even though seely described the locality the Oxford clay in his one sentence description. Anyway golden found the FEMUR of Crypto Soroush. Although at the time, it was still being called Crypt Drako. Very similar to the Femur of hop light source, and he wrote that the name Crypto drako slash Crypto Soroush goes that. Names were used in his paper. Quote has turned out to be extremely appropriate because it took over a hundred and ten years for the Kyla Saurian affinities of this Femur to be recognized quote. We don't know what it's called. We also don't know what it's from fifth. Golden figured it out and Kylo. So. Golden wrote that the FEMUR was found with seventeen associated playa sores, vertebrae, and therefore the femur quote must have come from a brick pit, rather than as an isolated bone from a conglomerate, and that's how he determined that Crypto. Disorders actually came from the AMT claim formation, and not the Oxford clay is that will made a dubious genesis that we don't work came from. Know pretty sure it's the anthill clay formation. Now I don't know what Sealy was doing, but it's dubious, because is only known from a partial femur also just not enough because we have lots of other ankylosaurs that it could be yes. Golden suggested the ancestors of crypto source were probably bipedal or Nipah pods. But that crypto sores may have been facultative lead bipedal so. All fours, but then it could go into leagues when necessary. It's pretty weird for an ankle store. There's a lot of weird things about this dinosaur. Need more fossils. Or just to forget about it because it's not a good enough to find to be particularly useful WANNA forget about an kyle, or but it might not even be in Angola's, or let's be real, Marshall Femur. But speaking of Ankylosaurs are fun. Fact comes from our earlier boreal alto paper in it. They mentioned that for about one hundred and forty million years. Essentially at least all of the drastic and the cretaceous, every single terrestrial mega herb, or on earth, was a dinosaur well so completely dominated by the opposite of today, yes, and apparently for the last forty million years, mammals have been the dominant terrestrial mega. Maybe just mega divorce in general, but I'm always a little bit suspicious that there's something in the ocean that I'm not including. The Council of Megara before the might not be a mammal within dinosaur, though mega herbivores evolved at least five times, so they're sore, potter, Morphou which evolved in the triassic. We were talking about that earlier. There's Thera fora, which is the stegosaurus lashing Kylie's or group that evolved in the Triassic or Jurassic, and I guess maybe more than once. Guana Dante which evolved in the Jurassic. There's Saratoga which evolved in the Cretaceous, of course, things like triceratops. Zena Sauria. The weirdest of all, which evolved in the Cretaceous from. Meat eating dinosaurs into a mega vervoordt of course, physically mega mega carnivore into Mega Erba. Typical transition just like you'd expect from Thursday and source. So that's the fives that they included but I thought maybe they would include Hadrosaur Day. I'm thinking. Maybe they didn't because. A gas it could have shared a mega or before ancestor with Guan antea maybe is where they're going with that. It seems like there's at least six though. A lot of mega or going on dinosaur Ya. I guess they had a lot of plants. And in some cases, also a lot of gastro lists to swallow. And Wood and charcoal. Whenever they could fit into their mouths. Sometimes crustaceans. And on that note that wraps up this episode of Vinyl Dino. Thanks for listening. Don't forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast APP and consider joining our community at Patriot dot com slash I. Know Dino! Thanks again until next time. Come. 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"Hello and welcome Dino Dino I'm Garrett and I'm Sabrina and today's podcast is brought to you by our patrons haven't had any sponsors and a little while and this week we're going to do another. Watch party on dischord with our patrons and we're going to be watching Jurassic Park three that you didn't see that coming. And you can sign up on Patriot. Patriotic DOT com slash dino. This week in our two hundred eighty first episode we have a bunch of news including a new dinosaur nicknamed the wonder chicken. But I think it's real name is even better than that. It's really good. Is it the awesome chicken? No it's better figure out a way for. We also have an interview with Ralph from cake boss. The one who was the head sculpture that picked out Zule for their massive thousand pound cake. Yeah and that's on buddy versus duff. 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Pm Eastern and that makes it eight PM ut so that some of our European friends can join because it was a rough. I think it was like four. Am or something where somebody who is trying to watch from five am when it ended his brutal so hopefully as all easier on them this time as a quick reminder everybody watches on their own devices we don't like streaming through dischord or anything we're just going to sync up and one point in time in order gonNA chat in discord while we watch it separately. I think it works pretty well. I was a little bit worried that it'd be hard to watch the movie and the text at the same time but I think it's kind of Nice because you can just watch the movie for parts that you really enjoy and then you can check it periodically to see what people have mentioned. And it's not like interrupting it like it would be if we were talking at you through it or something. So they're pretty cool the sink point we're gonNA use is going to be one drastic parks three logo presumably when the spinosaurus slashes through it to make the three shows of other screen which on our DVD isn't about forty four seconds but obviously that varies a lot. So that's why we pick a point to start from start at the Jurassic Park three logo at one. Pm Pacific Time on Saturday April eighteenth. And we'll also put this in the discord jumping into the news. Our first article about that wonder chicken as promised. What's the real name hold on? I was promised and even better than wonder I gotTa tell you who published it for so as the nature and written by Daniel Field and others so okay the real name is asked to reorganise mass strict insects but asteroid is a super cool name. It's after the Greek words ass steria and orange juice so that part is obviously bird but as stereo super cool so they say quote in Greek mythology as steria is the goddess of falling stars and transforms herself into a quail and extra bird. Yes it's got like a double thing going on here because the KPMG mass extinction is caused by what might have been an asteroid and the word asteroid has the same Greek root because asteroid means star like the falling stars being asked area. It's still about like stars and like the KP mass extinction impact or hitting that works on that level and then also astor reorganise itself the bird slash dinosaur itself may have been an ancestor to the modern quayle which is what asteroid was turning into so many connections so cool how wonderful it is like a wonder chicken and then I should also mention metric dances not nearly as fun but you could probably guess it was found in Belgium in the mass strict formation. Which is the type locality of the late cretaceous master stage and since it's such an important formation it makes sense to highlight it. I guess this asteroid soreness that they found was about sixty six point. Seven to sixty six point eight million years old when it died and win at lived because as a rounding error in there that makes it very very late in dinosaur paleontology because non Avian. Dinosaurs died out sixty six point zero million years ago so this is within were in the hundreds of thousands of years range now so like seven to eight hundred thousand years from when dinosaurs went extinct and its quote the oldest unambiguous crown bird fossil yet discovered and quote so crowned birds basically words. They call him crown birds. Because there's this whole thing about how you define. What bird is a? Mike can at fly as archaeopteryx bird all that kind of stuff but the crown bird group is like what we think of as birds basically. So it's like the oldest definitely bird that's ever been found. The find itself is really cool although really small as phys Dot Org put it. The fossil is about the size of a deck of cards with some little leg bone fragments sticking out of it all. So yeah those really really small palm of your hand sized fossil basically based on the leg fragments they estimate this asteroid weighed about three under ninety four grams or about fourteen ounces. Which is about four quail using quails as an analogy which I think we should. It makes sense here. It's still relatively small for the group that is now. I think this is like the twentieth percentile for size so quayle largest incredibly small but they got the tiny eggs. Who Do that's true? That's some marinas everything about whales eating their eggs. They're delicious so just based on those like fragments. They couldn't tell all that much but they put it in a cat scanner and amazingly. They found nearly complete three articulated skull inside of it. Wow the wonder the wonder and the chicken or wonder quayle. Maybe it should be called before I explain what the skull is all about. I should give a really quick background on modern birds since this is sort of at the branching point of a bunch of different modern birds so there are three to four major groups of modern birds. You've got Paleo Nafei. Gallo answer a and Neil waves so Paleo. Nafei is ostriches and other flightless birds basically sometimes they separate all the other ones into Neo Nazi. And then you've just got like a very very small group and one enormous group but I think it's a little more useful to split out the Gallo answer a and Gallo an answer. A is basically the foul group like land foul in waterfowl. They call them. It's basically a lot of stuff that we eat. That's kind of where the foul terms comes from later. Got SPLIT INTO GALA forms. Which are the Turkey chicken and quail than the other half of gallow answer? A is the aunt Sarah forms which includes ducks geese and swans. Those are the land and water fells. Yeah when you combine all those things together this kind of a weird group. But you'll see why I'm grouping at this way. And then there's the neo eighties which is all the other birds. So asteroid worn us. Looks like an early member of gallow answer and like I said that's the combination of waterfowl and land foul and that's because it seems to have traits of both of them and they've previously assumed that these land foul and waterfowl probably had a common ancestor because they have a lot of similar characteristics in their jaws and stuff so this is sort of more evidence of that. Because we've now got this bird that's like halfway in between a land foul and a waterfowl looks like a duck. Must be a quail overall to me. It looks more like a tiny ad. Monta source goal than like a duck or a chicken or any other kind of bird skull so it doesn't have like a separate beak in front of its head like you see on a chicken skull. It's got that same sort of sloping knows. That goes all the way down to the end. Typical snout at a Montessori kind of a big triangle. It doesn't have the separate and doesn't have like a big bulging eye-socket in the back like you see in most modern bird skulls but it obviously compared to an ad not source. It has a toothless beak so the jaws are smaller. And that's a lot more pneumatic. So those holes in the head are a lot bigger but just glancing at it as a non paleontologist to me is like that looks kind of like an Montessori Skull. Definitely more so than a chicken. You probably could've guessed. File GENETICALLY CLOSER TO GALA forms than it is to answer forms so I think that you could call it. Attorney Talkin because Turkeys and chickens are both California's add a duck is an answer form. And it's kind of like it's to Park California one part and Sarah form so I think they should call it. The wonder truckin rather than the wonder chicken doesn't quite roll off. The tongue easily is sort of counter to vegas which is from Antarctica. And it's sort of it's cousin at around the same point in time but it's closer to answer forms. The authors say that asteroid was found near a quote ichthyologist. Like bird quote. So I did a little bit of digging into their sources and I've found that there was this other bird that was found in the master formation few years ago and it was from sixty five point eight million years ago which is actually two hundred thousand years after the KPMG boundary. It's a little bit weird. Because it's called the Maastricht formation so you think it's all in the master in which is before the KPD boundary but part of it is after the cagey extinction and that's how this bird is so the same formation basically has one of the last cretaceous birds and first Paleo gene birds on either side of that boundary although it is likely that the IC theonest onus like bird existed before because it's only two hundred thousand years a Lotta time species last longer than that so it was probably around in the Mesozoic as well but we don't know for sure whether or not asked to reorganise survived through the extinction or not. We just know that dinosaurs similar to it survived through it because we have their ancestors around today. Asteroid has also more evidence that modern birds or things that are like modern birds coexisted with what they call Yale in stem birds which are basically like Weirdos like archaeopteryx and stuff which aren't really birds is they had teeth or had other strange stuff going on but they were something that probably evolved eventually into something like a modern bird but previously you could draw some of these lineages as going directly from these toothed Weirdos into a modern bird and not have them coexist at the same time but now now that we're definitively pushing back these real bird birds into the Mesozoic. You can see that they were coexisting. So you had any Teens and things like that coexisting with this wonder chicken. He keeps saying Byron. I think that song or bur burden and the word. Yeah in this case it it kind is not exactly sure where asteroid Ernest lived. They think though that like the onus it probably lived on the shore that's based on its small body mass and it's long skinny legs. Plus the sedimentary was founded Garrett. Should you live on the shore? No I burn too easily but I do have a relatively small body mass for my height ain't got long legs very long skinny legs. That's true and you eat fish other things too. It's true. They're not sure if abby orders ate fish. And that's because they just found this toothless skull and nothing else has no gut contents. There's also no wing the key. Yeah there's also no wings so we don't know if it flew and you know we just have a little bit of the legs and the skull so there's very limited information about it but the skull is one of the best things to find if you can pick a part of the animal the preserve in good detail so we at least know where a fits file genetically one way. The authors summarized its significance was by saying that asteroid is quote one of the only well-supported crown birds from the Mesozoic era and the first Mesozoic Crown Bird with well represented cranial remains end. Quote sounds pretty awesome. Basically the first really good true bird skull from the Mesozoic. Yeah the authors also put a big emphasis on the fact that since this bird exists in the northern hemisphere that the northern hemisphere might have been just as likely of a place for some dinosaurs meaning birds to survive the KPMG boundary whereas before. We've talked a lot about how Antarctica was the most likely place obviously in the Southern Hemisphere. And I would say with that purred. That was around two hundred thousand years after the boundary in the master formation. The seems like they have a point but there are a lot of papers that are continually showing that polar coasts were the least affected by the KPMG cool cold period and Belgium was really close relatively speaking to the chicks impact compared to Antarctica so sort of had to be pretty tough bird to make it through that transition. It's not impossible but it would have needed the right set of traits and the best guests at the traits it would have needed are small size. Which does have living near the shore which it also seems to have but we don't know if it lived in trees and that would have been a big problem because all the trees burned up we also don't know what is metabolism was like it had a high metabolism and needed constantly eat. That would have been a really big problem with scarce food around that giant asteroid destroying all of the food to eat and we don't know if it was capable of eating a very diet which is incredibly important in these sort of disaster tax. Because you might not be able to find the exact same food every day and if you rely on like one fruit or something you're doomed you need to able to eat a lot of different stuff especially they think that if you could eat seeds and insects that would be a good way to go because there's probably a fair number of those around even in extinction event. This is why I'm convinced that something like a seagull is going to re inherit the earth because they have all of these characteristics can literally eat anything. Yes and live anywhere. And they don't live in trees live near the shore their fighters. Yeah they're just crazy just has to bring about her hotdog address birds in other news. It's news about a stegosaurus. Walli the STEGOSAURUS. Who's from the Berkshire Museum in? Massachusetts is getting restored and will probably be fully restored by fall while he's a life sized Stegosaur sculpture that weighs twelve hundred pounds has been on the front lawn. The museum since October of ninety seven made a fiberglass and is the second stegosaurus made from a mold by Louis Paul Jonas studios in Hudson New York the first model was made for the New York. World's fair in nineteen sixty four nineteen sixty five and it's now on display at Dinosaur National MONUMENT IN HARPER'S CORNER UTAH. I think we might have seen it. Karen Oh is that outdoor stegosaurus. We took a picture in front of things. So it used to be our patriotic image for the staggering level. Yeah it's a cool and it is really cool. They painted us some really neat colors So wally the stegosaurs got its name as part of a community contest where the winner Levi. This'll named him because stegosaurus has the brain size of a walnut mo Before going to Berkshire. Wally was on display for thirty years at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History and it Cleveland. Wally is known as steady and the museum commission. Sticky back in nineteen sixty seven and once dougie was ready. The museums women's Committee hosted a dinner in June. Nineteen sixty eight to welcome steady the stegosaurus and they had steak. Oh drastic and they listened to a talk by Dr Alfred. Romer then in nineteen ninety seven. According to the museum quote the first Segi Retired degree ner pastures and quoted. You know that that means Massachusetts so later that year. The museum welcomed steady to which is an identical version. Cast at the same studio steady. The first and the women's committee had a Steg Birthday Party to welcome the SEGA source and since two thousand one has been greeting visitors at the entrance of the museum and Twenty Sixteen steady one on a short spring break and visited research locations around the world. So there's pictures a steady fishing on a hike. A nature preserve and hanging out with little foot and spike. She's so they start out while he's getting restored. But then there's a whole history of wally the stegosaurs so wally. The stegosaurus was formerly known a sticky one And now there's a different sticky sticky to yet. Which is the Cleveland Museum? What's the one that's the Dinosaur National Monument? The original model the first model made from the cast so that would be like sticky senior or something. Yeah Okay Gotcha. So there's three of these now from the same mould that's cool and now we're GONNA go onto our interview with Ralph this week. We're joined by Ralph at Asia. And he is the head sculptor. Carlo's bakery and he's one of the stars of Buddy versus duff. And you probably heard US talk about the sculpture that he came up with which was Zuelle that was shown on the food network and is amazing so we immediately reached out to him to see if he will come on. The show agreed. So thank you so much. Hey thank you for having me. Cool so I wanted to ask just going back to the beginning. Which came first the cake or the dinosaur. So we knew that we knew one of the challenges was going to be prehistoric life and that it was going to the Museum of Natural History and we had done a few large-scale dinosaur sculptures in the past cake soldiers. Obviously at the first one week did drip the SARS four pair paleontologists at the State Museum in Trenton New Jersey. Oh there was sorry so the rest of the to answer your previous but we also made another New Jersey. Dinosaur Harris which was the first desert skeleton was mounted for public display. I think and Was also the time the most complete dinosaur scale never found? So that's pretty cool. We've got a couple claims to fame here in NJ and at the time of each of these dinosaurs I was really happy with how they came out. That trip to source will we did it. I was like yeah man. This is cool and that a few years later we made the head your source and I look back at that dripped source. We did and I was like that is terrible. But it's like a weird scarecrow. It didn't look like drip zone doesn't look like that animal that we made it had like the downturn like Jurassic Park Bunny hands and it was real skinny and just a mess ahead stories. I was really happy with actually unbothered. my friends Dare Nash and Dave Hone who are both paleontologists and I really I bugged them to make sure that what I was doing. Was going to be real real correct and when it was done the three of us we were all just really pleased with it and looking at it after what we did on. Zule not as good not as good getting more practice so we knew that there was a we knew there was going to be a prehistoric life. Challenge what we wanted to do. A dinosaur and I wanted to do an armored dinosaur this time because we had already done like you know we. We done a big hairdresser. Who had done a theropod and I was like let's get I. I want like theory of foreign and here. I want something with late. So spikes or clubs like let's do that so that was how we landed on that. We wanted to do something that we could do. Close to life-sized as well and Zule comes in around twenty feet and we also knew that the challenge or the special skill for that challenge because each challenge on this show had like a special skill associated with a special skill. This one was realism. So I figured if we're GONNA do realism. We want one of the dinosaurs that we had a very complete skeleton four and skin impressions if possible right. So when when Dr Options they're doing an armored dinosaur with a complete skeleton the skin impressions. Our beds are boreal Pelata or rule. I knew that the rest of the team was not going to be able to say Bory. Alabel to so rather than having to correct them for twenty four hours straight. You're like US do zule is everybody loves goes bust. It's true that's awesome. I was GONNA ask why you picked it over. Boreal Delta that makes perfect said the names much shorter Zule. You could say this is an American dinosaur because even though it's on display in Canada was from Montana North America where it's all dinosaurs didn't care. Strew only exclusively made giant cakes cultures of North American dinosaurs. This point that's your specialty. F- anyone wants us to make you know. Like a prototypes or something. Let me know. We'll fly out there? It'd be cool. The shipping challenges might be extremely the predecessor tops. Gusmao maybe you could pull that off of a sheep does barely even a cake. Who Do you? Who's WHO'S GONNA FEED? Really? How long was the rule in the the museum? Just that one evening I say evening but we were there until the warning didn't get home until six seven o'clock. Yeah so you guys were up for like twenty four hours making it and then another like many hours than again no yeah. I don't know how much this supposed to really say. But the the Shooting Day was actually broken into two ten hour days or ten twelve hour days and then we had a couple of hours on location. Because when you look at the when you look at this show they don't really it really say if it's all happening in one day or what is just like we go somewhere it's daytime and then we're in the same clothes. We do the same thing all the way through. We bring the cake there in its evening sokaia point. I should've been able to do the math on that. You know what's really said anything about it. So far so pointed out. The jordin sparks in the waitress episode is wearing the same outfit to her consultation before the thing as she is at the party afterward she forgot to change. What do you do televisions Television spot? So we did a little bit of digging and I saw you. Had you have a blog and posted about a few years ago you made a chocolate dinosaur had a blog like a hundred years ago. It's still up you know it's still alive on the Internet. Never forgets and that chocolate dinosaurs. Pretty prominent have is a lifetime. Many many dinosaurs. So how how do you make a chocolate dinosaur? How does that work? Well boy it depends on how big it is it depends on what kind of dinosaur The simplest answer I can give you is usually there's a rigid armature but gets built. I something out of wire or wooden skewers and things that are together and then you build up the chocolate on top of that. We use a chocolates called modeling chocolate. It's basically just chocolate and corn syrup mixed together until the job that has a consistency like oil based clay really at that point. It's more edible clay than it is multiple chocolate. It's pretty easy to do the details. Yeah at room temperature. It gets quite firm but if you heat it up a little bit as warm at like you need it or you could put microwave for a few seconds and against very pliable and so you can sculpt very quickly when it soft as it cools. You can start doing finer and finer detail interesting. Wow it looks like he used a lot of modeling. Clay for Zule to miley chocolate jug. It especially the chocolate that we make the bakery. It really can take detail really nicely but it's also very plastic and you can work with it very quickly so once. We had carved out the shape and got her chrome code of butter cream on the whole thing. We were able to just drape it with big sheets of of job. We ran it through like a big pasta. She liked it so the stuff and put it on there. Though is so cool I loved the texture got added to it. Even on the underside for like the Little Mini. Osteo derm sort of texture. All over the bottom yes. Those scale stamps are a tool that we made at the bakery. One of the materials that we use a lot is silicone mold buddy especially if we need to make a lot of the same thing in a short amount of time. Sculpting by hand thirty times would take a long time. So we we. We keep this too hard silicone mold. Putty in stock is just two parts. You need them together. It becomes like a silicone clay and you can make a mold out of it and let it harden and cures in its rubber. I thought would we did. Was we made like a little sort of mushroom shaped pieces silicone? But the top of it had little indentations all over it so that when you roll it over a warm piece of chocolate it leaves a scale pattern on there. Yeah it was awesome affect also the gum balls. Yes that was my idea. I was very proud of that. That was amazing. We were we. Were trying to figure out how we were going to get the look of all those obstacles on the on the back of Zulu The armored sections in my friend. Dave sent me some really great pictures out of the actual fossil which was super helpful. And we were looking at it buddy in the head decorator Looking at this thing you were like so. They look like river stones round smooth pebbles of various sizes and we were trying to figure out. How the Hell we're GONNA do that way. We had like an idea that we were gonNA be punching out circles of modeling chocolate with like A. If you take if you sheet out your chocolate quite thick and you cut it out with a cookie cutter you would get what you imagine like a hockey puck. Kinda thing right like a squat cylinder if you put a piece of plastic over like a piece of Ziplock bag or something and then push the cookie cutter down over that it domes the top of it and we thought maybe we would just make a bunch of those just be producing hundreds of them in hope like crazy that worked at that was gonNA take a long time and I so I had the idea. I was like what we need to put something under the chocolate. That's already round and his already edible and the light bulb went off and I was like Gumbo cannot be expensive concern out there. Not The large ones in there to bed. Yeah there were some very very big gulls some very big jaw breakers were the biggest ones but yet we bought a bunch of those. We have tens of thousands so cool. Was there like a big base of something. Softer you could just sink the gum balls into. So yeah the the cake was stacked up and then the cake gets covered with what we call a chrome coat which is our first layer of buttercream that like we used to smooth out the whole shape so we were just singin. These gambles into but cream into a delicious and I got a lot of time when I get particular about. You know like dinosaurs down for even just simple historical accuracy for things like we made a viking. Take it kept telling buddy. Viking helmets didn't have horns he was like well then why do they always have? Hawn's so usually when I try to promote some level of accuracy. I get a lot of pushback for it but on this one everybody was onboard. Knows like okay. They're GONNA be like two rings of obstacles on the neck and then there's this many Hips there's a big kind of shield and then it goes back to those many and everyone was like a Ha- we like diagram laying out where all of the spines of different sizes that came out of the armor around the the size bid and we just went to work man. It was like production line. Wow sounds like you got a lot of reference material I did. We had some really good pictures of of the fossil mount and the cast of the arm on the back and then we had Victoria Arbor David L. Yes I do. Yeah they're book. We had Joel Book which was really helpful. Nice yeah we were wondering about because they don't show that that much in the episode. Yeah we didn't really have the rights to show their book on television. We're impressed with your drawing to. He made that fairly effortless. That's true. Yeah because I think you like a really large version of it right for the reference and it was just. It's not a particularly accurate drawing. But thank you. That's better than I could have done. And then the I really enjoyed to. I didn't realize I must. I must have missed. Part of the challenge was the realistic aspect of it. But I really appreciate how when it got to the museum. They were comparing yours to the the other kind of Diorama multiple dinosaurs and they're like live at the same time. Wise it entire. There's a volcano. Like what is this thing has teeth in? It shouldn't have teeth gotTA yours and they're like well. It's pretty much perfect. There was a bit of a struggle to critique mark mark. Norell said that if he could have kept that in the museum would hardly have had to change anything for it to be a display there which was also the socal. What would you have done another day? That's a good question. We definitely wanted to do more with the environment that she was in. Because our our we named Dana. Who the Dana after Dana Barrett from ghostbusters makes sense. There is no data. Only Zule Leeann. We would have liked to have done a little bit more with the environment. She was in as it was. It was just earth end. Ferns I originally. She was supposed to be at the edge of like a riverbank and her pose was supposed to be a little bit more like with her head turned so she could see what her tail was swinging at. We had like a whole list of period new appropriate plant life or at least plants that have living descendants that are similar you know dogwoods different firms a couple of other things that we were going to put in there and it just didn't have the time for it but we wanted to recreate her environment as well. We brought a lot of silly stuff to head. Cockroach molds and Ben GonNa make like all this stuff at the end. Weighed like three thousand pounds or something right so buddy said that on this show. I don't know where that number came from. But there's no way the five of us would have moved. It was our committee at the time was about seventeen hundred pounds which is still a lot scored on every time every time it got talked about that number up shows like this thing. Three thousand pounds like to them how it felt by the end. It's heavier as your arms get tired. There's there's serendipitous moment of nonsense at one point so that we built the thing on wheels we had these big heavy duty casters that were attached to the bottom of the base right and we put the only place we could put handles was around the wooden board that the wheels were on which is quite close to the floor as it were pulling this thing. Everybody's like getting download. It make sure that we can get to the big studio doors. Somebody had to stand up and hold them opens. That could get down and we'll this thing and walk down the hallway and I stopped. I just went over the door. Get on the floor. Everybody will die US trying to think of some of the other Like real big points of that build. Erin the that Aaron Mcginn are hit Orlando where astounding. Yeah they were amazing and when you put the eyelid over the top of to especially you know look just like Zule. I was like that skull. You could remember what it looked like. It was like Yep. Then there's the real I in it very cool. If I could change one thing I would have made that. Upper eyelids thicker. Because I think they're supposed to be in bone associated with it. It's still looked. I mean with the modeling chocolate. You know it's not like our skin. It's still relatively thick so I think it it looked pretty good at the but that technique when. Aaron was explaining to me what she wanted to do. And like the the sort of like layered effect where you'd have like the the clear slayer over the eye. And then you'd have the pupil or Iris. Recessed into it. I was I was really excited. And when she started making them she was making them all slit pupils. And she's like yeah like a dinosaur. I I mean maybe. But more like NOCTURNAL ANIMALS. And you know if this was like A. I didn't think there was any reason for it to to dig. It was any reason for us to assume that it would be verticals. Lit Pupil and we went back and forth on that for a while but we wound up. Doing round. People's I think you made the right call and look great. Yeah it would have been the one thing that you would kind of fixate on if it had the slit pupil you'd be like well is that a maybe but since it was standard. I you know then you get focused on the rest of it without getting distracted and it gave her such like social placid can pleasant expression those big off. Hi It's in that bed. Just she was very aesthetically pleasing. Yeah I love so I was so excited when I saw you guys immediately. 'cause I show you an am and h go over to the club and you're like well this is an Kyla zone us. Yes it goes so happy about her. Hips Oh yeah. Her hips and her gut. People don't really like the layperson which includes if I'm being honest dozen realize how thick those ladies were. They had big big broad hips and big wide bellies. If your entire exposure to ankylosaurs is plastic dinosaur toys from your childhood. The might look wrong to you but they had. Is this sort of like a turtle shaped more than anything in a dinosaur doughy. Yeah but it makes sense if you stop to think about it for even a second. Because they they're defining thing that we owe at least some of them had was a big club at the end of the tail and swing that back and forth. You GotTa have that. Big Cordova Morales Muslim. There you have lucky. You need places for that muscle to anchor onto. This is going to be a lot of movement. Stress on based like bed has to be widened solid body. Garrett was helping that You use the tail to bash into the cake now. We don't. We don't play like that but they did put a little babies old drowning in their carpet. Yes now I love the the people in dubs team. I absolutely adore. I also really like diaw but the jets and Natalie and And sunny they're just fantastic and incredibly talented artists. But they're not they don't live in this world and so like when I found out what they were doing. Dubs like yeah? It's GonNa be great you. We're doing a capsule co analyst like this Big Terrace Up I know what it is is like is going to be going to take a big Giancana's thing is stories. Its tail light sees a time. Traveling KETZULESCO analysts. These like man. I thought they're sticking stores did. Look really good though. I think the worst thing. The worst mistake they made was the place seemed pretty evenly paired each other instead of staggered yeah But beyond that like it had the right number of toes. The facial anatomy wasn't bad. It it meant you know what you saw of. The body looked right. Yeah it looked pretty slick but then had the castle catalyst with teeth. Some kind of a weird body on top of it did like the feathered. Look Oh yeah. They did the really Cool Texas. They had a cool texture on both of their is to yes and the technique for doing the the the the picnic fibers that Natalie did is the simplest thing in the world but it looks so good. Take a scissor. You just do little snips into the chocolate and it makes these consummate vs young. That was really cool. Yeah did anyone get to eat the cakes after I think? Some of the cakes were eaten but a lot of it wound up getting disposed of. Because there's a lot of cake on there are many gun balls and the job rakers. Yeah did you guys Want to know any other stuff. I guess generally I would ask like what was the first dinosaur food creation that you ever made if you remember the very first dinosaur. If food sculpture I did was actually the day that I visited the bakery for the first time. How what was that so I my aunt and her children. Who are Mike Cousins? This is awkward. Way To say this my cousins They were big fans of the show first came out and they wanna Raffle or something and the prize was for six people to go meet the cake boss and his crew in cakes with them for you knew this when the show had I started out was really quickly gaining popularity. I have yet to hear about it but they had an extra slot folks. They were five of them in there. Like Ralph you gotta come with. They're gonNa see what a good skull do you are? They're gonNA give you a job you can be on TV and be famous. And I was like R I but then that's exactly what happened. I went there playing with the modeling chocolate I made like a little dinosaur out of it. And one of the guys there motto Took it goes pretty good to do people like active people. I did a little bust of buddy with like piping bag and Marco Rubio trump but he looked at it and he goes. Ri Any says the Maroney walks away. Tomorrow looks at me and goes. GimMe me your phone number. Your ass is mine. They called me up on my it drive home and asked if I could come in the next day and I've been working there ever since. Wow that's awesome. As a great story. I was the was the head of my department within a couple of months. And that's about as high as you can advance in the sculpture. Department is being in charge of it makes her really cool for mobility in in my particular field that I reached the top pretty early on. Yeah and your family. They often remind you that they told you. It comes her aunt and uncle up for cakes constantly. It does come up. What was the dinosaur that you made that? Impress them so much emphasis a little like like I like the top. Half OF A T. Rex How nice and this is said again peeling back the curtain a little bit so that was my real first day and then after I was they were shooting the third season at the time I got hired and I was in like every episode. You know buddy and I hit it off like we. We work together on on things pretty closely and the work that I was doing wound up on like almost every cake and they were like what we have to introduce this guy. We don't know nobody knows who he is. So we shot a fake first day where I came in dinosaur. Did you make the same type of dinosaur the second time? I made an orange t rex with like blue POLKA DOTS. So that's the first episode of season three of cake bossie may come and make this orange t-rex and that's my first day but that's not my real first day. Get less nerve. Wracking is true. And that was like a hipster Victorian sideshow Barker back. That had like curly mustache. Three piece suit in a Bullard had the budgeted rings it man. We all do things when we're young. We could have been partly how they put you on. Tv You never know on share. The fact that I was just absolutely Weirdo was Was a part of those great send. Yeah cool is there anything else that you guys have come up that you WanNa talk about or just continue watching buddy versus? I mean yeah the. By the time this episode airs my favorite episode of Buddy versus. Deaf will already have been on. We did a cake that was delivered to the aquarium of the Pacific. Which was a blue whale. Which is closer to three thousand pounds than this? Okay guas easily time possum. And I absolutely adore desert. If you've been watching if you haven't been watching buddy versus but you're curious about the kind of thing that we did on their checkout either the dinosaur episode or the undersea episode because those are two very finest absolute mad cakes. And the finale is coming up and that one is star wars themed. Oh cool we got to deliver that galaxies edge and Billy Dee Williams was there how great it is great. Very great after watching the zuelle episode. I'm hooked now cool. Yeah that Whale Manny. He get ready for that because that is something also. This is like one of the best shows to be washing right now. I feel like resent. It's very stressful for me to watch it. So I'm glad you count also Thank you so much for coming on and sharing all of the dinosaur creations that you've made over the years. Yeah thank you for having me. Thanks again Ralph for coming on. We are fully hooked on cake making shows now well. We watched the aquarium episode. It was great. It's a pretty good physical distancing show. I would say takes your mind off of the harshness of reality. Just look at some cakes rain at least for those of us. Who aren't making the cakes I hear. It's a little different awfully stressful. Because like the great British baking show and before we get into our dinosaur of the day quick reminder that we're doing another watch party on discord of Jurassic Park three this Saturday April eighteenth at one. Pm Pacific and you can join. If you're on our patriotic at any level and there's a wide variety of levels and rewards available on Patriots Dot com slash I know dino they all come with premium content that comes out like we'll have an extended version of our interview with Ralph because a lot of times there's more stuff than we wanna try to squeeze into the regular episode but we finger some people would be interested in so we put it up as premium content and then at higher levels you can also get the show Ad Free and get a shout out on the show in copies of our books and then when we reach a hundred sixty patrons which were only seventeen away from now we're GONNA be mailing out some Bruno's dinosaur art. Everybody so definitely joined before. Then if you're interested in getting some art and make sure to get on our discord by Saturday if you WANNA watch part three with us. I'm pretty excited about this one. Because for the first one was purely like wow. This movie is so great. Look at all this great stuff. They did the second one is kind of inbetween with. Why did they do that like that? That doesn't seem very realistic. Other the special effects are still great. Yes and then some of the puppets and stuff I think Jurassic Park three. The General Vibe is going to be on my God why what is happening. It'll probably be more like watching. Tammy and the T rex. Sort of vibe go. God seems harsh. Yeah but I've been more on that end of the spectrum than off. Cinematic greatness end of the spectrum. I do remember the dinosaurs still being pretty impressive. I really enjoy the dinosaurs to. Yeah but some of the other plot elements are a little bit crazy. But yeah if you want to watch with US make sure you're on our discord. And if you need to join over two Patriot dot com slash I know dino and now into our dinosaur of Day Alaska Sef away which was a request from thieving rafter Lorenzo. Vr discordant Patriot. So thanks it was a Paki Self lasorda. That lived in the wake. Cretaceous what is now Alaska and the holiday type is a nearly complete left score. Mozell the back of the head with some nodes. It was an urban core and it closely resembles pecci syphilis sores and prentice definitely or preen. Acela couldn't get details on the pronunciation there anyway. The paper mentions that its closest in size to prentice definitely. And if you WANNA learn more about Paki syphilis ours we covered it in episode ninety three. And if you WANNA learn more about Prinos or Bruna Fillet. We covered that in Episode Ninety Eight Alaska Stephanie's estimated to be about half the size of Paki Syphilis Source Wyoming densest and Pakistan full source Wyoming. Emphasis is about fifteen feet or four and a half years long and weighed about nine hundred ninety pounds or four hundred fifty kilograms. It's also estimated. Be Up three quarters. The size of precisely and predecessor. Haley was about seven point. Eight feet or two point four meters long and weighed two hundred and eighty pounds or one hundred and thirty kilograms but math is weird so one estimate is basically five hundred pounds. The other ones like two hundred pounds. Yes but I think that happens. Sometimes we get a wide range of estimates. Yeah it could be the one is talking about. It's half the weight and the other talking about three quarters. The length or something to that effect. So Alaska successfully was described by rolling gangluff and others in two thousand five but as an unnamed Paki several sword and possibly Paki civil source. Then it was named in two thousand six by Robert Sullivan and Sullivan found it to be a distinct tax because the squall had these two diverging row of nodes among a few other characteristics the genus name of Alaska. Stephanie Means Alaskan head type and only species is Alaska safely gang and the species name is in honor of gang off because he wrote about the hall type and also because he quote contributed significantly to our understanding of dinosaurs of the North American Arctic region and quote Alaska definitely was found in the Prince Creek Formation Colville Group in North Slope Borough Alaska and it was found in a narrow beach at the base of bluffs on the west side of the Colville River. The discovery helps show quote a major final exchange took place between Eurasia and North America during campaigning. Time and quo and the campaign was about eighty million years ago. Alaska Steph is now housed in the earth science collections of the University of Alaska. Museum and for the Three D. printers out there. You can. D. Print one via tinker cad. Nice to better three D. Printers busy making face shields. Well that's not a bad thing. I guess Stra not really too bad and are fun. Fact of the day is that days were significantly shorter when dinosaurs were around according to a new study by Neal's to winter at all in ag you. They found that there were three hundred and seventy two daily layers of growth in a bivalve and we know that Earth orbit hasn't significantly changed in that time period so is basically traveling the same amount of distance around the sun and therefore the only way to get through and seventy two days is for earth to spin faster than it is spinning now. And if you take three hundred sixty five divided by three hundred seventy two you get zero point. Nine eight or two percent shorter days in other words. Twenty three and a half hour days rather than twenty four hour days and obviously a day in this context is a full earth rotation not the amount of time that the sun is up but think of the last time yes or gained days. The bivalve in question was from the campaign. Ian Which is the period from seventy two to eighty four million years ago and the dinosaurs at that time. Included you APPL- Acephalous Diablo Sarah tops. Corre- thesaurus source among many others. There's a lot less data from the TRIASSIC. This paper summarized some of the other studies but there was a previous study that put the Triassic days also at about twenty three and a half hours long but data from three hundred and fifty million years ago which is only about one hundred million years earlier than the triassic show the days. Were only around twenty two hours long so connecting the dots in a trend line they think that the Triassic was probably more like twenty two and a half hour days so a full hour shorter in the early triassic when there were dinosaurs like Yo Raptor Harare source and Saturnalia than in the late. Triassic when you had your close effortless and some other dinosaurs that are less important. Because they're not ankylosaurs. See just for fun if you go all the way back as far as we can tell the early science. I could see how the topic was in an article by scientific American where they say that the days four and a half billion years ago where estimated to be about six hours long meeting three hours of Sun and then three hours of dark. Well yes pretty crazy. So short and the Earth is still spinning slower and slower. I think what's happening is we're becoming tidally. Locked slowly over time what they call it and then the moon is also the moon's already titled be locked with us so that's why it's always facing the same side of us later on in complicated note. I think a lot of people that are interested in dinosaurs interested in astronomy. Pretty interesting that their early dinosaurs had almost two hours less time in their day than we have even less time to eat as quickly as they can and grow large always comes back to eating really does important in that note. That wraps up this episode of I know Dino so I can get a snack. Don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss out on any new episodes and join our community. Watch the movies with us on Patriot at Patriot dot com slash. I Know Dino. Thanks again and until next time both to me.
1304: Sorry, Not Lonely by Greg Audino on Loneliness & Mental Health Support & Relationships
"This is optimal living daily episode thirteen o four sorry not lonely by greg dino of greg dino dot com anywhere narrator justin mollica breeding you blogs every single day of the year w livermore meaningful life we have five shows where we do that search for optimal living daily wherever you're hearing this defined all five shows did he isn't actually mean writing a blog video them reenacting into audio from life coach an actor greg dino org regular says i like to call them since his his name is simply greg goals i'll have some of my own comments at the end so that let's get right to it as we optimize your life sorry not lonely by greg dino of greg dino dot com this one's going to be tough and i sure hope it doesn't come off the wrong way to all the people feeling lonely out there i love you i wanna understand what's going on with you in support you in your time of need need but i'll tell you what else i am seeing onto you i don't buy it unless you successfully grass the fact that loneliness can be temporary safe you just moved recently lost a relationship or are temporarily questioning her social circle go i don't buy that you've done all of that you can do to escape loneliness i wanna be direct with you about this rather than be sympathetic and treat you like a weakling because i know you're not week even if you don't to be in you might notice that twice now i've used the words feeling lonely and this is because there is a distinct difference between feeling lonely in being lonely being lonely does not exist but the pain and trauma tied to loneliness which is aggressive enough to severely prolonging the feeling of loneliness tricks many of us into thinking that loneliness is a state of being rather than the state of feeling loneliness like all of our feelings is fleeting for those who have allowed in their lies ferrara particularly longtime this fact is likely to have long since been forgotten and loneliness instead seems to be a lifelong condemnation as here she that feels lonely has such a difficult time finding people that understand that this is largely because whether you're feeling lonely or not it's easy to forget how difficult it is for a person who isn't feeling lonely to identify a lonely person jay gatsby with the loneliest out there and you through the sickest parties around loneliness kentucky dramatic toll on those who have tons of friends those who are married those of humongous families the relationships or social interactions that someone has doesn't necessarily have any correlation with how lonely they might be feeling this misunderstanding between those who feel lonely only in those who don't only colleges in extra divide making it that much more difficult for loneliness to be broken down in reveal is true colors as a passing feeling that's because the root of loneliness does depend on howard perceiving are interactions actions with those we come in contact with an emphasis on perceiving kita understand that for as often as those who are not feeling lonely fail to see when someone is feeling lonely those were feeling lonely fail to see when someone who isn't feeling lonely would want to accept them support them and form a bond with them if only they knew but he can dismiss signals only perpetuate the trick that people feeling lonely play against themselves because he objective truth is that the world is full of people people in full of pats leading the people that would or already do want to be in there live in a meaningful way the same way someone who is married with children may perceive those relationships in such a way that there is somehow unfulfilling someone might perceive a stranger dangerous someone that wouldn't want to open up to them in form a bond without the more one falls victim to this trick the less trusting in comfortable one feels when they do have social interactions does perpetuating once feelings of loneliness strong this feeling becomes the more distance someone feeling lonely is from mealy as anticipated pain of once again feeling to make a connection with someone gradually turns into a plane things too close to the chest voting risk and ultimately voting life the belief that we have to look after ourselves is rising intensity and therefore the particular focus on one's own needs grow stronger this is how the spiral of loneliness works the basis lies any assumption that what you bring to the table isn't worthy of or isn't capable of forming a connection as always there's good news upon me acknowledgement of recognition of you're only ness you don't have to choose the stay on this past week these assumptions that i've only supplemented you're upset and will continue to do so if you allow them to interview loneliness in a different light to grasp the fact that the truth behind you're social interactions may not have been what you assume them to be or what you felt entitled for them to be conservatives visit opportunity for you to be the one to break the law breakthrough you're loneliness and truly start to form meaningful connections with people by not assuming that they don't care about you or want to have you in their live confide in others about loneliness don't continue to resist it or making opponent out of it you'll be surprised to find out that people love when you show them your vulnerable side because we all want to feel comfortable being vulnerable with others in you opening to them shows them that you trust them that's beautiful relationship speak in you're probably going to realise rather soon that there are a lot of people who feel the same sense of loneliness and have been begging for someone to share it with justice you have someone to appreciate them for who they are in grant them the peace of mind that loneliness isn't extremely common buying that people share even though where perception of it is precisely the opposite loneliness is one big illusion it's a trick it's a lie it's devastating destroying wives and it doesn't have to be be a part of the solution you just listen to the post titled sorry not lonely by greg hardy no of greg i dino dot com a real quick thanks the anchor for hosting this podcast anger is the easiest way to make a podcast bill distribute your podcast for you so it could be heard everywhere spotify apple podcasts google podcasts in many more you could easily make money from your podcasts guests to with no minimum listenership anger gives you everything you need in one place for free which is right from your phone or computer creation tools lighter according eddie you're podcast so it sounds great download the anchor app or go the anchor anchor dot fm to get started greg didn't hold back what today's content refereed this one again it might be worth listening to again for you you reminded me of something mark manson said from an article i inherited from him a while ago about out replacing states of mind was feeling rather than simply the statement on off that made sense so he's 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Dinosaurs Week Morning What's That Sound (6-11-2020)
"Good morning and welcome to chop. Tooth brushing shop, start brushing on the top of your mouth on one side and make little circles with airbrush around each tooth. It's dinosaurs week and today we're playing. We don't really know what Dino sounded like, but it's fun to imagine, so we'll play sound, and you use your imagination to try and match it to a dinosaur. Here we go! What was that? Here, it is one more time. So what dinosaur at that be? pterodactyl a PTERODACTYL. Switzer brushing to the other side of the top of your mouth. and. Don't forget your molars in the way back. pterodactyls were winged reptiles that were about three feet long so about as long as a baseball bat. But pterodactyls weren't actually dino source. Dinosaurs are reptiles that lived on land, and since the DACTYL could fly, they're called terrace source. That's because Tehran means when. Switzer rushing to the bottom of your mouth. Your front teeth to. Ready, for your next sound. What was that here? It is one more time. So what dinosaur be? ASARCO soukous? soukous. Switch you're brushing to the other side of the bottom of your mouth. Your tongue brush to. That sound you heard is a modern day baby crocodile, but the circus circus was a dinosaur. That's kind of like the great-great-great-great-great-grandfather great great great grandfather of the crocs. You might see the zoo. The circus was gigantic almost the size of a school bus. But other than size, it looked very much like a crocodile from today. Time we have for today, but come back tonight for. Teeth. To. SPEC? Chompers is production of Gimblett media.
Daily Huddle Ep 18: What Killed The Carnivores
"Many people believe it was the Almighty for Roche's. T REX. The ultimate carnivore. As strongest animal, a bike force of over twenty tonnes with the capability of carrying a full grown elephant in his jaw. The T. REX had the ability of swallowing full five hundred pound lion in one bite. Kind of paralleling that to how we eat. Take your fork in pick up. The most delicately prepared wasiyu beef in bite it. Gone. That's how a T. REX tour part. A full grown lion. But with such jaw clenching, strengthen the might of its tiny arms, being able to live four hundred pounds. The T. REX was not the strongest dinosaur. Instead it was the unmatched strength of the long neck dinosaur a Sarah pod. For? A her war, the eight Greens things that provide nutrients and oxygen in life, even when is not moving, is still living creating generating life, energy and nutrients for these big colossal dinosaurs. Something that you can look at. Observe. Provide stillness. In Life at the same time. Most of US enjoy a diet consisting of plants and meet believed to be the best form of balanced nutrition for our human bodies. But health experts and advocates they continue to debunk are neat for me at all. A lot of people are vegans SOM- are vegetarians. Some are tyrians including only fish in their diets. where the absence of meat in the Diet is believed to lead to depression, the consumption of meat, being slaughtered. is also known to do the same, but it's what's happening with. Our spiritual appetites has grown concerning. Like the T. Rex who consumed on meaty flesh. It seems we our society. Our world are mirroring the same. We're subconsciously consuming more and more. Meat but not the type that we digest meat. From killings death at an unprecedented rate being videoed shared film, Watch repeatedly over and over and over again. Video Games that promote violence in the same bloodshed, kill bloodshed the skulls. Many t rex is have been discovered with gruesome injuries that point to the increasing violence of this colossal reptile became more and more necessary, became more and more violent. Because the most ferocious t rex outlived those who could not. Protect themselves. Is that what we're promoting in? Our World? To be ferocious killers to take on the mindset of slaughtering one another. Our son loves dinosaurs. Dino Dan Dino Dana. He understands their ferociousness the magnitude of their colossal size, and he also knows that they became extinct after millions of years digs, continue as paleontologist and scientists try to. Determine, what killed him off as nurturing as they may have been perceived to be I believe it was their inability to love. Love is evolving and with our scars. May we evolve and not become extinct like the dinosaurs? This has been another episode of Let's Talk Game Your daily Huddle. Be Sure to subscribe Communist. Show this podcast. If you enjoyed it, I'll see you all next week.
Well, Well, Well, It's A Wednesday Morning Update
"So as I'm watching some Korean baseball I thought to myself. I really can't get into it unless one of two things happen. I gamble on it or pick a favorite team right so I don't think I'm GonNa Gamble on it because I'm not coming from a position of knowledge at all and I think that's just a Dangerous Road to be able to go down so I'm going to name some of these teams all right and you tell me if one of them sticks out to you and we will full the throw the full support of the boomer and Geo show behind this particular team and we can watch and we can get into it and we could be fans of them all right you ready for the names of these teams. Yeah you you tell me which one is. Is the team that we are going to root for all right? The Dussan bears the Hanwha Eagles. The Kia Tigers the key womb heroes. Kt WHIZ L. Twins the lot pay giants the NC Dino's the Samsung Lions and the S. K. Were WTN's which I don't even know what the hell were. Vin Is. Well I do have a connection. You have a connection. Oh isn't that great connection one hundred percent connection and I've had this connection for about sixteen years now. Wow it's got to be the Samsung Lions. Okay all right. Very good look band. I mean it's the only PAPPA. Tv I'll look at who was also a raccoon monkeys that not that different Other baseball Taiwanese yeah. These are the Korean ones that we're seeing on TV. How the Samsung Lions doing right now? They're they're they're losing right now. We're not and they're all in one thus far to start the season and they're playing the Dina's the Dino's the Dino's or the Tina's Dino's the Dino's yeah the NC Dino's right now then. Yeah you know the team. There's worthy Dino's you know there was. There was a guy when I was producing summers. Who called up as Dino and then played. That sounds like. You're Evan impression. A little bit a little bit. But you know someone's like Dino in Manhattan Join US DINO. You're on the fan at route and played that through the phone and the fact that Ed even has that folder and he can pull it up so quickly took that me. Yes Oh yeah. The team. That won the won the championship two years ago. I don't know who won the championship last year. If you wanna Johnny waggin giants they do the twins. Game Team's terrible. Starting pitcher just got smoked. The giants Yeah I feel like that's kind of wow. They haven't won a championship since one thousand nine hundred to do plus it sounds like law. Larry's a little giants. Yeah all right so one vote for the giants won't vote for the Samsung Lions. You're going out with the giants giants so you know. I don't know if you realize this but in terms of Lee Championships the since two thousand and eleven the Lions have won the League Championship. Eleven twelve thirteen fourteen and fifteen. Wow their time has come and gone and their the Korean series championships. They won eleven twelve thirteen fourteen so they they probably consider themselves like the New York Yankees of the Korean baseball. Probably and can al. We were talking about the boy in the bubble with the first pitch they showed it on. Tv There's no arms extended. He literally just walks the bubble to home plate pro. The bubble is the ball. Yes the bubble was the ball played. That's the ceremonial first pitch. Guess bubble boy. That's they showed it on TV awesome. That's creative that's what you gotta do. These times are so I guess boomer. Uk with a lot the giants or are we need to. I'll just stick with the Samsung. Lions will be my team. Okay all right. Very good All Right Jerry. What do you got for us? This morning we're talking about the the bubble in the first pitch and all that in terms of what the stadiums look like. No you saw. The dolphins actually laid out their plans For Having fifteen thousand fans in the seats come September. Assuming they can do that and it's not going to be a full stadium on MD STADIUM. And what they have done. So far in an have laid out would be separate new entrances and like painted lines on the on the street to tell people where to go how to get in Fifteen thousand fans and then also when you want food you gotta order it from your seat and they bring it to you so they'll be no line no concession lines. So they've I guess they got approval from some security team or something so they've already done that as the NFL sent out a memo to all thirty. Two teams about refund policies on the basis of if games are cancelled postponed. If they play games with no fans if there are limited amount of fans so the NFL as we know they have the schedule coming out tomorrow night. You've got teams already trying to figure out what they're going to temper all right. So let's let's let's say the jets and giants. I'm assuming they have a minimum of thirty to thirty five thousand season. Tickets sold both teams minimum. I would say maybe more maybe forty grand each. I don't and that probably has to do with sweets and all that other stuff and I don't know how you police the switch. What are you gonNA have like three people in a suite now? I don't know what's going on there. I don't know about parking. I don't know about tailgating all all those questions that still have to be answered but fifteen thousand in an eight thousand seat stadium. Yeah so they're saying is better than nothing one fifth of the or one six or whatever. It is one fifth of the actual size the stadium. You'll be able to do. That's what it sounds like it's going to. I'm not trying to make a joke here. But it's going to look like one of those. Xfl Games sure. It's GonNa it's GonNa look actually look worse than acas. Bulat to be spread out and those. Xfl Games they were closer together. Everybody had seats close down to the field. But that's what the capacity is going to be many people that that's what it is. Today you know may sixth change you know by the time. September six comes here. I do think though if that's the direction at ends up going in a football which is great. Be I mean fifteen. Thousands better than an empty stadium. I would think for atmosphere so while it may not look great. At least it would be something for the the the the players feel inside the stadium. Now yes yeah. Yeah I listen. I as I've said before and this may be the the boring. Take any plan that someone throws out there. I am giving the full support to because I don't want to be the person that is trying to crap all over these contingency plans because we all want sports desperately and that affects so many people so many jobs so many things that are going on so if anybody wants to try to get people in the stands great if you could do it safe sports on TV awesome. So I'm hoping that that works. I understand where they're coming from. It seems a little ambitious but I mean it's just a plan right now. The thing is we got. You have to forty nine this weekend. Then we have a NASCAR coming around the corner then they also have the two different golf events that are coming plus the PGA tour. That will start up in June. We got Jerry playing goalie in his driveway to have that and then of course they have to figure out whether or not and how they're going to start the major league baseball season and how they're gonNA finish the NHL and NBA seasons and the more and keep thinking about the NBA in the NHL is that there are a significant number of teams. That basically have no chance to win a championship. Like for instance the Golden State Warriors the Detroit Red Wings two teams. That are last place. You know they're just they have no shot. There's probably no reason for those teams to even come back because I can't even imagine if you worry free agent on one of those teams and you're looking forward to cashing into on a big check next year a new contract next year. Why the hell would you want to come back and play five or six or ten or fifteen regular season games? If that's if that's what they decide so I think both leagues have played more than enough regular season games where they can bring back a minimal number of teams or certain number of teams that were all close to the playoffs and figure out how they can play a round robin tournament to get to the sixteen best teams and then co immediately into the playoffs. And then I do believe that. Whoever is crowned the champion? Under those circumstances it would be considered a legit champion of course with an asterisk next to it but it would still be legit champion. I think fans could live with that as long as they did. Something where the top end teams were basically favored in some way shape or form and giving a significant advantage going into a tournament of that ilk. Isn't that the regional sports that works though on the money. Yeah that's a big part of it. Yes huge part of it and I think I mean look I if you're the Red Wings in your the Kings or another kings. The warriors these teams. The those players aren't thinking that they're coming back and plan. That's the split between the players. The players association the owners. There are a lot of players. Just WanNa come back and play. And they don't have to and they don't feel like it'd probably be a waste. Tell you some before this happened. And the Knicks were going through their season sleepwalking. Again it was tough for me to sit there and watch more than fifteen minutes of that team. If they came back right now regardless of the situation I would watch all four quarters with my eye balls glued to the set. So I mean that's one thing that these people need to think about as well. Is You know. Forget about the chance to win a championship. Just the fact that you've got your team. Don't live sporting event back on television while you're still not allowed to leave. Your House is a luxury at this point and the Knicks would be one of those teams that you probably would say okay. You're season's over you're done with now. The Nets on the other hand could actually get Kevin Durant pack for playing all season. But could you imagine if they ended up getting him and Kyrie Irving back? Yeah I mean and then Okay Le. Let's now like whatever tournament or whatever situation the NBA sets up and they go on to win a championship. That's exactly right right. Well we'll see we're still a long ways away from that just a couple of things here. No we're short on time. The giants the jets as you guys mentioned. Frank orbits the one year contract. Also Quincy Nwe was placed on the published so it doesn't look like His He's GonNa be playing with the jets anymore. The giants do claim Cooper rush off of waivers from the cowboys. Not so sure that that was a surprise after the Andy Dalton move got adding report for US Jerry on that. He never played no have a scouting report. Them Not really I mean he played some preseason games as whatever. Good luck with that. You're the voice of the cowboy cowboys don't do that. I'M THE HUT. I am not the voice of the cowboys. One of the voices of the county's Sham Right. Those are also voices of the Voice of the cowboys and Kevin. Ray is the national voice of the semantics. Jerry Your Voice of the cowboys right right. Well the every Jerry RECCO FOR UPDATES HALF TIMES POST OP office. God shut up. That was Eddie a nonprofit group. That's involved in an embezzle embezzlement scheme in Mississippi US federal welfare money to Pay Brett. Farve one point one million dollars for multiple speaking engagements that he didn't do it so what now so I read this story. What would jerry said is right so it was government. Money meant for Welfare. It was millions upon millions of dollars. That was miss something million. I think yeah crazy. Number one point one million of that went to Brett Farr for speaking engagements and appearances did not do two separate events one for six hundred thousand one for five hundred thousand but Brett farve apparently is not going to get indicted in this in his Scott free but I don't understand how that is possible because if he didn't do anything and then collected half a million dollars twice for not doing anything I mean. Don't you think that raises a Red Flag? A little bit sick somebody some. Obviously the guy that was running this fund is got to be in jail or waiting indictment or something else like this and it just goes to show you how government sucks and trust them and this is this Mississippi. This is like one of the worst states when it comes to educational money. How the the hungry the whole thing while all these funds should be used for things like that all of a sudden somehow one point one million finds its way into Brett farve pocket for doing nothing. Yeah the accusation. Now Brett Farve gave us a discussion as to what he thought. Jordan loves impact was going to have on Aaron Rodgers now. Aaron Rodgers was upset. Is he going to give us an An an update as to what this one point. One million dollars was used for Probably NOT BUT BRETT. Farve does get caught up in a lot of these things and I can't claim ignorance. You can't claim ignorance and everyone. I mean the last time he recorded a nice phone message for Neo Nazis and now he's caught up in this thing so not good not good not good but he's on. Cbs sports HQ talking about Aaron Rodgers with his funny colored hair right. Hey dyed my hair blonde. And obviously somebody does look. He's a Mississippi Hero. Right and somebody within his inner circle knew somebody that had access to these funds and directed these funds towards him for doing nothing. That's the accusation. Yeah I mean but but he's not going to get in trouble for this which to me like if someone gave me five hundred thousand dollars to do nothing like I'd be like wow that's awesome but this doesn't seem right there's something about this just doesn't seem right can't take welfare money. And he maybe didn't know even if he didn't know it was well like I mean come on. He knows it's coming from the government. Jesus God well then he's gotta get in trouble for it too then right. Why basically sang stations are true? Then yes well I mean it says in a story. It says no criminal charges right exactly. So how is that possible while the more people that hear about this the more people see it? That may change anyway. I don't understand again. You're telling me that I could to New York state and Say New York State. Hey well I don't know what I could do with New York state. Nobody knows that we give them a half a million to proposal for nothing backwards here. Yes no but I get into some program and somehow I can get paid to show up somewhere and the government's going to pay me to do that. Well he got paid. I'm not really sure. What the government. What's that he didn't get paid by the government he got paid by this group to do a speaking engagement? Now you have the. The group was getting money from the government right but but it's not like government and ask for the money. I mean it was. Maybe one of his close buddies was running one of these groups or one of maybe his agent or somebody who represents new somebody who is running one of these groups. It's a bizarre story. I don't know I really they. Maybe maybe there was a pile of cash on the other end to the guy who actually authorized the payments in the first place and by the way the Mississippi Community Education Center sent the payments too far so the Mississippi community education sound. Great now are they. Are they a government agency or are they a nonprofit? That road for grants from nonprofits spent all right. So there are a nonprofit. They wrote for grants from the government. Some idiot and the government decided that these people were legitimate. And then these legitimate people turn out to be illegitimate and they're giving a half a million point one. Brett farve who what nothing exactly. Yeah to do nothing to help to help. Poor kids get educated. No No for him to pad his bank account basically into anything no speeches no nothing but even like to me wouldn't Brett farve give those speeches like on behalf of the the state of Mississippi as opposed to getting paid for them and he's getting paid a half a million dollars each for the speech. Yeah a half a million in December twenty seventeen and six hundred thousand in June of twenty eight so it happened twice with the you know less than a year apart. Come on and last thing and we're going to go but Tony Clark. The baseball player up said no formal proposals or presentations have been made to the players yet. So for everything. We keep talking about plans and ideas. The players have yet to have been introduced to one of them. We are not getting paid or they I don't they are but I don't know but NBA still getting paid but on a reduced scale right now. But I don't players receive all of their salaries for a full season. They all got paid for a full season. Which is nice for the NHL to do that. And now the try to restarted for the playoffs. I would think it's probably about the TV money right. The regional sports networks and things of that nature. But also I'm sure. Nbc wants live programming on their on their stations. As well whether it be hockey or golf or whatever else so who knows all right.
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You should know the women who reported Dino's crimes to the justice system and then to the EARP reporters. They also alerted couch surfing. Remember Kate from Montana. British police brought her allegations to couch surfing and the website took action. I think they took his profile down right away. That's what the police officer told me. He reached out to coast roofing right away. They confirmed the showed me like that afternoon. His profiles gone but that didn't last and found out. Allegedly he just set up a new bro right after but clearly he was able to do it because I'm not the only woman and mine was the last case. Maria the young woman from Portugal connected with Dino who was calling himself Leonardo through that new profile that was after couch surfing had quote banned him and Maria. If you remember wrote a negative review a few days after she posted it someone from couch. Surfing safety team reached out asking her for more information. Here's what you wrote to them. Hi this is Maria. I received an email from you today because of a negative reference. I left Leonardo and I would actually like very much to talk to someone in the safety team about what happened. But would it be possible that you give me some way of really talking to you? Instead of writing like skype for example it would be so much easier because there's a lot to say and to ask and having a conversation. This way is very uncomfortable. Thanks for Caring and for your concern someone from the couch surfing safety team named Allie Robak. Hello Maria thank you very much for getting back to say about this. I'd be happy to talk to you about what happened. We all of our communication by email so we have a record of our conversations. Maria really didn't want to handle this an email but countervailing was giving her no choice so she wrote it all up her horrible experience. Dino's the drugging forced. Kiss everything alley responded. They traded messages for a week. Alley encouraged Maria to go to the police alley. Even put her in touch with other people who stayed with Dino in fact the exact same day the Maria complained to counterfeiting about dino. Eileen one of the other women stayed with Dino was also writing alley to let her know what Dino had done to her so allie connected them she also told Maria that the team had removed. He knows new profile from the platform alley also wrote quote. We are actively looking for new profiles from this person. If we find duplicates we remove them immediately but then of course dino continued setting up new profiles and lowering in new women and assaulting them. This went on for another year. Whenever he got shut down he just kept starting over. The fact the Dino could do that with impunity goes against everything couch surfing says it stands for which is creating better connections between people. The whole idea of couch surfing when it was founded ten years earlier was to make it easy to find the good generous people in town. It was to help travelers experience new places and cultures through the eyes of the people who live there. It's really a backstage pass to the world. You WanNa get you want to see what the world is about. You want to grow yourself. You WanNa have these adventures couch surfing. It's it's a way to interact with people all over the world. This is Casey Fenton the founder of couch surfing he's talking with Peter Laden the founder of reinvent and the Youtube series called the future of sharing. Casey was an idealistic twenty. Something when he founded the site in two thousand three People when they travel around the world. It's really hard to do all that. And when you get that gift where a local gives you Place to stay and some food. That's a really beautiful thing. Keys called adventure and experiment entrust a social network for travelers even newbies. I think the three of couch surfing began back way. Back in my teens I was Will I be here in this town of Brownfield Maine for the rest of my life so I started thinking about how I could escape? What was my escape plan? The couch surfing concept began with some pretty lofty ideas. I was in school and he started learning about the classic philosophers. Conti Kant hume car started thinking about free will and started wondering do I have free will say basically just started by random flights all over the world and in that started to discover that spending time with the locals accelerating awareness just personal growth like all these dimensions and that if I could do that more that that would be a good way to figure out what I WANNA do here on this earth. And so I started pondering couch surfing and putting this idea together silver. Casey travel opened him up to new worlds and new. People like nothing else could. He inspired some other people to work on this idea with him to this was before companies like Uber or Airbnb so the whole idea of sharing or gift economy was super new. The concept was idealistic and no one was actually sure it would generate money. People donated their time to work on it. People like Kasper who worked as a technical lead Roosevelt chaotic chaotic. In a way it was chaos I fixed bugs. Tried to add some features to website a on boarding people to to work on. It was an appropriate I also. I thought it's had a big vision. Narrowly grants thoughts gushing could be should be open source. it can be This thing like like wikipedia new way within for sharing things like a platform to do the show. Much more than an coach. Gushes fingers providing food and lodging like this collectives so I I was very happy to work on this because I select discourage potential for it and of course the potential was real. The sharing economy has transformed our lives. And how we do business. Just think of how often you've taken a lift or an uber or stayed at an AIRBNB. The sharing economy in many ways is a return to a form of Karma that was fairly common in the eighteenth century. And maybe the early nineteenth century peer-to-peer exchange. This is a ruined soon. Doroshkin professor at nyu Stern School of business. He says digital platforms restore behaviors. That used to work between friends or in the town square. The four big businesses took over. I think what the sharing economy has brought back. Is the idea that you can get a good or a service from another individual but rather than being restricted simply to the people in your social network of people in your village or the people in your neighborhood. you now have a new form of global commerce mediated or enabled by platforms like AIRBNB LIKE UBER. Like to-to and that's what. The founders of couch surfing saw coming a world of community of hand to hand transactions. Casper says that was the ethos very festival. Like burning man So so I think Casey always meant to do the right thing but to do is very casper. Ended up leaving because the whole sharing is caring community spirit. Didn't last the final Straw was when he was asked to sign a nondisclosure agreement so casper left in the years since the company has taken off it grew from one hundred thousand users to five hundred thousand in just one year that was two thousand six two thousand seven and these days. The company boasts fourteen million members along the way couch. Surfing became a four profit company. And I'll explain where their revenues come from a second but the message of the company has never wavered. Couch surfing is a fun and engaging community founded on giving and sharing. Hi My name is Jennifer. Biller I'm couch surfing. Ceo and today. I'm GONNA show you are leaving office. Space Jennifer Billick was couch surfing. Ceo from twenty thirteen to two thousand fifteen during the time. 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You don't talk to strangers and you definitely never ever get into a stranger's car these days. Millions of people do just that they put their children their grandparents into cars driven by people they have never met. And here's the weird part Aroon Cinder Rajon. The sharing economy expert says the overall trust between people is actually at its lowest point in decades so eighty percent of the US population under the age of thirty five doesn't feel that their fellow human beings are trustworthy but he says what we're seeing on these sharing platforms is a form of trust that is totally engineered. Our own confidence in our ability to make assessments based on digital information has grown because over the last decade. We've looked at yelp reviews. Gone to a restaurant after that and had a good experience. We've looked at tripadvisor reviews and planned vacations. We've read Amazon reviews and bought up products and over time. I think each of US individually has come up with our own way of processing that digital information and then taking this leap of trust because if you think about it I mean what is trust. It's a willingness to commit to a collaborative effort before you know how the other party is GonNa Behave. This is what makes couch surfing successful. Great Clean Graphic design the prioritizes people's reviews and makes you feel like hey. I'm making an informed decision here but the truly careful cowher is looking for more than those reviews. You're also looking for a bright green checkmark this kind of badges comment on social platforms. It's blue on twitter. Instagram and until talk and Youtube has a grey one and that verified mark is meant to signal that everything checks out it gives some layer of authenticity and safety but couch surfing. What does that check? Mark really even mean we wanted to find out what it would take for a new profile to get verified on couch surfing. Whatever you're using a fake name. The Way Dean among they did. Can you still get verified? Journalists have strict rules about using fake names. But for the sake of this experiment our team got sign off to try this in real time so What is verification okay? So here's the overview members who go through the verification process confirmed. They have an active bank account. Valid phone number and verified home location as well as verifying a person's identity. I I need to create a profile. So I'm going to create a couch irving profile join okay and so when I'm joining I just have to put in. My name is name. What have I put like a different name? Will that work? Should we try that? Okay I'M GONNA put in a different name and see what happens all right. I'm putting the name Carmen cruise though it is now taking me to took me to another page says create account. This information helps fill your profile so the couch surfing community can no rights. I'M GONNA put in a birthday and make it up and I'm going to say that she lives in Tampa. Okay creating account. We're off to a good start. Yeah so right here as soon as I am taking to this page where it gets. Fill out the rest of my profile. The first thing you see is he right of the top. Confirm my email that I can confirm then right underneath. That is a big green check mark and it says get verified verify with credit card. It's already telling me that I can get verified if I pay sixty dollars if I put in a credit card number. I I basically went to a gas station and I bought a prepaid credit card. It's a prepaid visa and I put sixty sixty dollars on it and it doesn't have any of my personal information on it and there's really no tracing it back to you. This is the perfect way to purchase things. If you don't want any sort of trail back to who you are filling out the numbers on the card okay a month in the CBC on the back. Okay verified my cat so there's a wheel spinning as I wait to see if I got verified it just I just took me to a new page. It says congrats. You're now verified. Your payment has been verified. So that was it. I didn't have to verify my email address. I didn't have to verify anything all I did. All I did was use this prepaid credit card that had sixty dollars on. That doesn't have my. It's not attached to. My name is not attached to my bank account. It's not attached to anything and I was able to verify in fifteen seconds or less. I'm a member I'M A. I'm a paid member of the couch surfing community. I'm ready to start hosting right now. Actually I'm not hosting. Anybody is his all fake so So I am going to deactivate this account. This was really just as a little experiment to see. How valid this verification process really is how legit it is just to be clear. We deleted that account immediately and it was never used to interact with the public in any way. If you dig a little deeper on the website to the terms of US page you can find the place where couch surfing spells out all the rules about who gets to be verified. Oh look at this. We do not investigate or verify. Any members reputation conduct. Morality criminal background or any information members may submit to the services other than the address verification tool as described in section. Three point three. Which is what we were just reading. they're not doing any kind of criminal background checks for much of anything. The only thing that they're really checking is your address. I don't see how that's actually going to keep you safe. I mean you just don't know very much about the people that you're interacting with at all. They could lie. They could be lying about their name. They could be lying about their age. That could be lying about a whole number of things now. Most of the time things are fine. People don't lie it all works out but if you do catch someone in a lie or have any safety issued a report. There's a link to contact the couch surfing. Trust and safety team we click here. And let's see where that takes us. Okay so this takes us to a page that is basically a form that you fill out says submit a request. This is not helpful if you're in an emergency because there's no one there's no email here. There's no phone number. There's no person to talk to their users. Have to fill out this form. I thought maybe I could find an actual person in the section about the team at Couch Surfing. But it just as plays a blurb about how much people love working there. There are no pictures with Staff members photos. There are no emails again. I'm just not seeing any way to communicate and contact anyone so I don't know who I'm talking to I can't even find out where countervailing is located. There's no address here either so it doesn't tell me much about. Who Can I talk to if something happens to me and I find myself in an emergency situation when I'm traveling abroad using couch surfing still? They insist that safety is a top priority and they've expanded their trust and safety team. Here's what they write about it. We do not simply pay lip-service to safety. It's at the heart of everything we do if they're not just paying lip service and this is so important to them than why aren't they being a little bit more transparent about? Who is on the safety team and how to contact that? Julia was the European reporter who spent a lot of time digging into couch surfing. Now he knows that companies can't prevent bad actors from coming into their systems. But what didn't make sense to him is wide dino was able to keep making new profiles over and over again because after all you always using the same address and the address is registered on couch surfing so of course they if all the data of that profile were flagged they would have they would have found olives multiple profiles. Now you know so. And so yes. I do believe that they could have done much more. Even if dino was using different names and creating profiles from different devices and different IP addresses he would always use the same three pictures and the same location. How did this slip by couch? Surfing ultimately decided to write to go surfing and to have them answer our questions. Our first female was sent on January. Twenty seven two thousand fifteen Dear Safety team. We are a team of investigative journalists belonging to Italy Center for reporting and we are working on decays of Italian alleged serial rapist who registered from for some years as Leonardo Mario on couch surfing according to Giulio actually got a response directly from Jennifer billick the CEO only in writing. He learned that in. Twenty fifteen couch surfing had ten million users a staff of just over twenty people and all of the safety concerns and complaints were handled internally so basically even if all twenty of them where only doing security team on ten million user it would have been half a million users per member of their community to police. It's clearly impossible. It's clearly impossible. Here's Giulio reading. One of the emails key received in order to minimize risk of abuse of member safety insecurity. We do not disclose specific information about our internal tools and procedures. We have system in place to track and take action against abusing the system sharing those processes and procedures would give potential system abusers knowledge better infiltrate the system and would be detrimental to the safety of our community of the community. Julia continued emailing couch surfing up until two thousand eighteen to try to get more answers but he never heard anything back and then in twenty. Nineteen our team here had verified decided to try again for a company that says it's all about openness and communication. They make it very difficult to find someone to talk to you. Who WORKS THERE JAR phone? Sorry not available but leave him. He called all of the phone numbers we could find and left a bunch of voicemails. I- Josh this business hassles borough. I am a journalist working on a podcast in bulk. Couch Surfing The only person that we heard back from was the chef at couch servings office in San Francisco. He's in his attacks saying he couldn't talk because he had signed an NDA. We sent over forty emails to all of the current and former employees. We could find an only got a few notes back saying. Thanks but no thanks. We really wanted to sit with someone in management and explore all these issues face to face after many emails back and forth over the course of several months. Counterfeiting declined our interview request with this email. Dear Rachel Natasha Suzanne and the rest of Your Team Couch Surfing member. Safety is a top priority. Unfortunately publicly disclosing our policies and procedures may have an inadvertent negative impact on member safety couch. Surfing employs a comprehensive range of tools tailored to protect our members. A sample includes a dedicated twenty four seven safety team a robust referenced system identity verification with checks against multiple bad actor list's member education automated risk detection using multiple homegrown and third party systems and zero tolerance policy for risky over the appropriate behavior. They went on to the Dean Omagh. Leo had abused his position and had gone away with his crimes right under the nose of his colleagues on the police force and that all organizations are susceptible to bad actors. They said they stand in solidarity with the survivors. We respectfully cautioned against assumptions or presumptions with respect to couch surfing simply because one may be proceeding on limited or incomplete information. Thank you for your interest in Couch Surfing. And the safety of the Couch Surfing Community The couch surfing media team that was their final communication with us. After four years of interview request from EARP E and then us at verified. The answer is simply no so we could never really see couch surfing digital safety mechanisms up close but according to professor sooner Rogers Research. The story of these women's attempts to warn other women highlights a wider truth about digital trust it simultaneously sobering and terrifying that something like this. The systematic criminal activity was conducted through couch surfing and beyond the personal tragedy for the women in question it's sobering to me because It highlight something that we've known for a while that digital trust systems by themselves are not sufficient and any platform. That wants to play in sort of like you know. The global economy has to supplement their digital trust system with all of these other forms of trust like you know the human provided element Professor Cinder. Russian says this is were couch. Surfing differs from some of the other sharing economy platforms. That have more scale for example AIRBNB. And so again going back to the example of AIRBNB that are close to a thousand employees of AIRBNB working fulltime every day. On trust and safety these are not data scientists who are sitting and building new digital trust systems. This is almost like a I wouldn't call it a police force but a private sort of group of people who are looking out for and dealing with breaches of trust and this underscores the fact that a platform like airbnb recognizes that simply leaving things to the digital realm simply leaving things to verify it. Id and facebook linked in an online reviews is insufficient. Giulio has reflected on this too and he says in the end there is really only one person to hold accountable. Dino mind you who is to blame of course the the main person that we have to blame and We should move the focus too much around is the no magno. He created a very complicated and refined system to your drug and rape women from all over the word he did it methodically. It did it in a textbook. Serial Way He was extremely prepared and he also had some backup plans when he got caught. And of course blame the victim as usual And try to create man-to-man relationship with the police. That caught him but I I wouldn't go around too much. And I think that the blame is exactly where it should be with the culprit and in our next episode that culprit will face some very angry women in court. They could decide five years later. Gave whatever we're going to go to trial because it's too stressful which is gonNA forget but decided not to forget. I'm Natasha del Toro. And this is verified. This season of verified as reported by ALEXIA TORONTO LA CECILIA HONESTY and Julia Rubio of European Investigative Reporting Project Italy. It's written and produced by me. Natasha del Toro Suzanne River senior producer. Dan Bloom Bruce Edwards. Rachel aaronow Joey Fish ground and Shrayan. Auntie additional production by Grant Hill. Our editors are Peter. Clowney John Palmer and Ellen Weiss Engineering by Casey Holford Bruce Edwards and Robin wise our theme and original music or by Allison Leyton Brown especial. Thanks to Andrew Hague for our collaboration with ground source. We are particularly grateful to the many women who spoke with us both on and off the microphone and trusted us to tell their story verified created by Suzanne Rubber and executive produced by Suzanne Reaper. Ellen Weiss Peter Clowney and Chris Bannon the shows produced by scripts Washington bureau in collaboration with witness. Docs A stitcher network. There's so much more for you to discover about this story. And what's coming up on the show? You can find us on twitter at bear pod and at verified pod on instagram and facebook. Or you can write to us at verified pod at stitcher dot com if you liked the show and believe in this kind of storytelling. Please give us a five star review on Apple podcasts. It'll help more people discover verified. Thanks for listening.