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And welcome to the animated Jerry podcast, featuring interviews with animation professionals working in television, film and games. I'm your host Angeles mayor Jeff shoots, and we're gonna start off with the news. So Jeff what is happening in the world of animation. Yes, there's a few news items since we're always reporting on just how much streaming is going on with animation. These days I figured I would report on a few big deals. I which is Alex her signed a deal with Netflix. And I got this from the animation world network, quote, streaming giant Netflix assign a multi year over all deal with animation creator, Alex Hirsch under the terms of the deal Hersh will exclusively developed new series features for net flicks. I'm a big Alex Hirsch fam- big gravity falls fan. So I was just like, yes. Let him create whatever he wants. It sounds good to me. I love gravity falls. Very good. Very well made show. Excellent animation fund stories. Good voice acting so good for him. That sounds very exciting. My sister and I used to camp in the redwoods every year. Oh, yes. So that show speaks to me, you know, anyway, so second on the list is crunchy role is developing a new anime by themselves. This is a you know from the ground up new enemy for their shimmy service. It's called high guardian spice, and I should note that elation studios, which is AT and T subsidiary for online video subscription. They are launching two studios in Burbank and Tokyo to make all this content for crunchy all and with and the first of which is high guardian spice so from their press release, quote, high guardian spice is a show about four girls who are honing their sorcery skills at high guardian academy, and it's being created by Ray Rodriguez who was previously a character designer on Amazon's danger, and eggs, and the show's supervising director is how do Payton director of the maniacs. All right. Yeah. So that's cool. And you know, it's a little too early to tell if I'm gonna like it or not because I haven't seen any of the actual animation, but on YouTube they released it kind of a teaser trailer showing the creators behind it and stuff, which is actually really cool because. The creators behind the project fifty percent female in all creative roles, which I thought was awesome. And the writer's room is one hundred percent female. Oh, so for that. I say hurray for women in the industry. Glad that they're bringing women in. That's really cool also really happened here that people at worked on a maniac and danger and eggs are going to be working on that that's also need. And I do that more and more things are happening just from different outlets used to be back. When when our parents kids, he had three channels now, there's just so many opportunities so much, and I can't wait to see what they come up with. So and then just a little story rooster teeth. I saw was spending two point five million on original animation projects for their channel. So cool. Yeah. Former employer of yours you worked out with them on a couple of different projects. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And they were really fun to work with they were really open to new ideas. And just being like, cool, man. You know, do what you want? So I have all trust that we're going to see some cool stuff coming out of there as coal so. Yeah. And one last thing for news is Siggraph two thousand eighteen is over with and a bunch of words have been given out now. And I thought I'd bring up the taiko studios won the audience choice award for their short one small step. And so I just wanted to call them out give the big congrats to co directors. Bobby Pontius and Andrew Chatsworth and all the talented artists Tyco studios for a well deserved on her because a great short. So congratulations that go. Yes. We both had an opportunity to watch it. It's a beautiful short. And the folks over at Tyco are very nice. We have this. Congratulations to Tyco. We really enjoyed the short. And if you guys have not seen it if it's playing in your area, I know that they've been torn the country and going to different studios in different places showcasing the short. So if they come to your area, they come to your city make it a point to go and see it. It is well worth your time. And you go to see them talking about it and everything I did. I did they came to Nickelodeon and not only did they show the short, but they gave a wonderful presentation. So that was a lot of fun getting to see the behind the scenes of how they figured out the story and the animation and the designs. That's always need and they showed different tests. How they figured out things. So it was a lot of fun. Especially of the things that they did with hair because hair simulated hair difficult difficult to animate it's difficult to rig. So to see what they do with that. I was very impressed. Awesome. Cool. And then we have some box office news. All right. That's okay. So the incredible two has passed six hundred million dollars at the domestic box office. And now, it's the the ninth film in history to do so and internationally worldwide it's gone over one point one six billion dollars worldwide that just there's countries that don't earn that much. That's amazing gross national product. Congratulations. Pixar congratulations, Brad bird and team wonderful movie. So that's amazing. And then also since we've talked about a hotel Transylvania three that's made close to half a billion worldwide. Amazing and also under you know, teen titans. Go to the movie that has made twenty eight point four million domestically around forty two million worldwide. So the production budget on that was only ten million. So, you know, I hope this means that they get to make another theatrical movie because Tetons go to the movies is also, and that's it for the news. All right. So now, we'll get into event. So there are many events happening in the southern California area. So I up this applies to not just so Cal I should say. But everywhere the annual awards are now accepting entries for the forty sixth annual any words, we'll be next year. So if you have something that you would like to submit make sure. A check out the website. And as with all the events will have the links in the show notes. So make sure to check that out next up at gallery nucleus in collaboration with moral and insomniac games. They're going to be presenting marble Spiderman the art of the game. So that will be Saturday September fifteenth at seven PM, and they're going to be having some of the artists who worked on the show. So again for more information, check out their sites. That's cool unsuited side about that game. I wanna go to that. Yeah. We're saying art, look, really, really good. They have in the game. There's all these different spider suits throughout the comics. And they even have some from the from the marvel movies and all that stuff. So I cannot wait. Yeah. This is just going to be the year of Spiderman because then, you know, come Christmas time, it'll be awesome super looking for that team. Also loop will be having another showcase soon. The theme is fear. So if you wanna do something scarier fearful or sukey. In time for Halloween. The deadline is so timber. Twenty third and your loops are due at eleven thirty pm in your time zone wherever you are. Jeff. I know that you got to do Luke duluc when the theme was lucky to think you'll be working on fear. If I have time, I will totally do it because I love Halloween, and so yeah, I can think of a bunch of fear based stuff. Do you think you're going to get in on this? I can tell you. I have no time I hope to actually I hope to be able to go to the screening and see. Everybody's very scary or psychologically thrilling or just bizarre short Bros or just gross. Rose scratching your head going. Well, that's well done. I don't understand. But that's okay. Because they're all very interesting. A good one to see. Yeah. I'm looking forward to and then after that the Ottawa international animation festival is September twenty sixth through thirtieth. So if you've always wanted to go to Canada, or if you're just real interested in animation festivals. I've never been Ottawa. But I've heard from others that it is fantastic. So you can check that out. And then finally in the month of September. Speaking of spooky things fan alley which is run by Eva and Wenski who's running ground zero animation expo. They're going to be having an artist lodge and shoot gallery to Tim Burton, and Leica, and that's going to be on Saturday September twenty ninth at five PM. So you can go and you can buy scary art. I'm sure they'll be a lot of paranormal fan art, which just makes my heart. Just so filled with joy to no end. And some Beetlejuice stuff. Oh can be some cool. Art would be good. I haven't seen that movie in years. Yeah. It's been a while to showcase that this Holloway. It'll be a lot of fun. Yeah. And then so for all of you out there who always wanted to exhibit at a convention now is your time because ground zero animation expo comic. Con and wonder Connor all accepting applications for Comecon, especially they're offering a discount for artists that want to participate in artist alley until September fourteenth. So if you've always wanted to do this or you're thinking, I should do this next year. I'm not quite sure go ahead and do it. Now, your time you can save a lot of money, and for those of you who want to exhibit at ground zero animation expo they're accepting their applications for professionals and up and coming artists and their deadline is November first so make sure to go on their website and check that out. So that brings us. To what we've been watching. So Jeff what have you been watching? I haven't so much been watching is playing. I have been applying red redemption on Xbox One through its backward. Compatibility is originally an XBox three sixty game, and it's just an open world western game. And it's developed by the grand theft auto people rockstar. So the secrets coming out at the end of this year. And I just it's one of those games that I've wanted to play for so long 'cause it's a classic, and it's great it's showing its age a little bit. I think for its time. It was probably a revelation. But now there are other better open world games. Kind of reminds me a lot of the Witcher three in a way because you're riding on a horse in getting all these little sub quests and all this stuff. But it just made me kind of want to get back into which three and finish it because I'm so far for finishing beckoning. But anyway, it's really good. I'm la. In the writing. And it's a great game so far. But yeah, that's it for me. What have you been watching? That you're going to say that it made you want to get on a horse and was right through the country that to you know, what I'm just gonna leave all this behind and go on my own personal quest. No. Well. Yeah. That would be fun. That'd be a lot of words. That's kind of when you were describing it is I I've not played this game. But I just bought it Westworld when you were talking about. I mean, I don't know if there's robots, but as anything like that just in terms of just or is it kind of like like unforgiving. They're hanging highlight you feel like Clint Eastwood in these in this game. Like what exactly's kind of it is set back in the wild wild west. So but having watched Westworld both the original series because some of the movements are kind of robotic and some of the language is a little robot that you can totally pretend that you are less. You know, the goal of this game. Yeah. It's it's really good. And I hear the the sequel he's going to have really just complex physics and the bullets that go into the chamber are going to have weighed in the trajectory is going to be, you know, have Asas. Yeah. So I think the sequels can be just as revolutionary whatever as the original was back when it came out. I think it came out eight years ago. Oh, man. It's been a while. Yeah. I think it came out in two thousand ten so it's been well, it amazes me. How far the industry has come considering how long it is. Because. You forget how young it is. Because we've always had it the always been video games by the generation right before they remember when they appeared. And so it's fascinating to me. When you think about how the steps really only about forty years old. That's not that's one person's lifetime. That's not long at all. And considering it went from essentially pong. Yeah. To this in such a short period of time. I just wonder forty years from now. What it would be? It's been be. Yeah. We can't even predict. Yeah. Because. Yeah. It's I mean, I had a at original any s and that was only five generations of consoles ago because of motions on PlayStation for the original PlayStation came out during the whole. You know came out just right before the end sixty four so neighbor, like six generations. It's not nice still have my old any s. Just kind of funny looking at this. This is what this used to be flat and tutti eight bit. And we thought that was the coolest. Yeah. I thought it could get no better when I was playing Super Mario brothers video games. Can't get better than this. And now, he not we're playing these open worlds just real people populates, and it's incredible going on. So for me. Let's see haven't watched a whole lot. But I did get to check out the first couple of episodes disenchanted. So so far, I think the show is okay. But I've heard that it picks up towards the end of the season. So I'm looking forward to that. Kinda reminds me of when I started watching future on a love future on the first couple of episodes. I thought we'll see where it goes. So I have a feeling that this enchanted might be kind of the same bane. I will say like the enemy a lot, and I like the backgrounds a lot, and I like the main character being who's the process? Drinks beer. I think she's. So we'll see how that one goes. And then pretty much just been watching bowl Tron as there's some tire sections of that show that I realized I had missed them. It happened on the background. I wouldn't really be paying attention. And then I would look up and something would be happening. I would go who is this person. Where are they going? What is happening now? And so I decided to start from season one and just completely rewatch the whole thing just fill in the gaps. And I really like Joe I love action shows, I love space operas. But I think what I like the most about that show as opposed to other. I've watched a lot of anime with mix. All and what I like about this one in particular. And this is not saying that the others don't have this. But the relationships of the characters they're all fully realized fleshed out. Characters the show isn't just about. Hey, let's former robot punch people it's about other things. And I feel like everything else is cake, and the voltron part is just the icing of it. And I liked that a lot. So I know I've mentioned the show at least seven times, but I will mention it again, watch Trump. It's great got good back into that show. I got a. I just my watching list is packed. And so hopefully, I'll but that is on it. So, and I know you love that show so much it makes me want to get back into it. You should check it out. But it's funny. And I'm sure the listeners can relate what you said about you had it on in the background. And then you're like, wait a second. I totally missed some valuable information there because that's totally what happens to me when I try and watch something in the background while I'm working, well, one of two things happens either, I missed valuable information, and I have to rewatch something or I start watching it invested. And then our two hours goes by in. I'm not working. I'm like what the take. Yeah. It's actually why I've stopped watching things while I work now just assistant a music and listen to podcasts or it's don't listen to anything. Right. I have found that in his virtually impossible for me to have any type of. Entertainment on a screen happening while I'm drying erect. I cannot do that. There's no such thing as multitasking for me in that realm. No, just no. I just have to do it. I'm doing a heck by TV later on the same way. Sometimes. Yeah. I can't even listen to music. I can't listen to anything with any talking or whatever because they'll just get distracted even just like soundtrack. Sometimes I've tried to listen to those and sometimes it helps with the mood depending on the sound chart. But sometimes I just need the silence, especially if I'm trying to figure something out that are trying to drop. But yeah, I don't people who can watch TV shows listen to podcasts while they're writing while there. I'm just not one of those people that is a good for them. That's great. I salute your mental prowess. I don't care to do that. Also, find say, yeah. So that brings us to our main event. So we. We are very happy to be showcasing part. Two of our interview with Alina Jau alita is a wonderful person. How did you feel about part you loved this interview? The biggest takeaway for me was are you loved how she talks about how she got to where she is now. And she got that way by choosing the right projects both for her mental and physical health because I feel like I'm still trying to figure that out. You know, choosing the right projects. Instead of just choosing the the ones that are going to bring the most money or the ones that are the most convenient like make sure you for taking care of yourself before you just take anything. And I think is a great listen. Yeah. I think that's true. But I also feel like you come to that point in time. I know especially win if you have certain deadlines there's a certain goal you're trying to meet or wherever you are in your career. Sometimes you have to take the job. That's maybe not as fun where you have to take the job that pays more. So like support your rent or your family? There's no shame dog all back very honorable and could thing to do because that is also taking care of yourself. You know, knowing that, hey, the professional mature decision. I gotta go in and take us. So that I can subsist, but it's great win. You can get to the point where you can start having choices. And those choices aren't always in the game. Inning even in the middle of a career. But when they present themselves, or when you're able to say, hey, I can pivot now it's really cool to meet someone when they've done that and to know that that can work, and that's something that is in the future for you. And for me, you know, that the ideal as a yeah, I mean that's the ideal and the goal, and so it's cool to to know that that's something that can be worked towards two. Yeah. Absolutely. So that's great. So without further ado were happy to present episode seventy eight interview with Alina Chow part to for most of the picture books that you've worked on has been your agent or an art director at a publishing house contacting you or has been a writer contacting you saying, and I work at this publishing house. So here's the person to talk to you know, I've requested that they have you as artist for the book that undoing. Yeah. The east that K that's that concentration. So anytime anyone me to on debt book that have to go from agent. So my agent be the cousin that gatekeeper. So anyone is autho attest to publishing house publishing house while need to on any project. A always have to go for my agent and Palley also just make the whole contract also is just me via some people really savvy with contract negotiation. I'm not very good with Conti. Negotiation and salary negotiations puzzle at just feel more comfortable at my agent handle that she tend to be able to get me better DO, Dan, if I would one. That much have on the league now. So they wise me I would try to Asheville and you probably bit protections a of amount of revision. Sometimes it's not even into contract as one book is does one time. I do a distraction. It turned out to be. I do exactly what the us on sit changed as all. It's not your fault. But we would like this to be changed. So I have to redo off. And then my agent is happy to did. But you have to pay us more. So she can out as say, yes, that's not a problem. We told you do whatever you want. But we x Austin talked about this before. So that is handy because a lot of that conversation is hot odd to say to kind of the end sometimes always worried the crime up his often do come back future. But then is another person. Persons that Eames while. Yes, we have to do that. But you know, by contract we need to renegotiate that that always make me feel comfortable since I'm terrible at doing that kind of negotiation myself. So. How did you get your agent? Oh, I apply online and a soul looking for agents of one of the lesson. I Don I decided to independ- is I have a different agency before my current ageing, and that's a hot lesson. I thought oh, I just applied to any good agency. And I'm just excited. Anyone would be voting to represent me? So I signed with one off the biggest audit rat in New York on the year. I'm also a rep of autism Amaya awesome. But I did not know how to of agents in beginning. They do have a lot of people. In fact, they brought a live too much people for someone myself ways a newbie in the industry Shen publishing community. So I'm not standing out in any way, and they have to three hundred times in the so they will take off people they with on long time and. The media was death style. That was before me. So I got the strange geic that does not exist in my portfolio. I would never get any of those gig. Because I don't have that kind of portfolio in that my portfolio soon the Kyle enough opinion. So only got over two years with that agency only got one book project that that one will project is a good project. But that's about it. So by the second f a straight two year one project meeting enough job. So I talked to France, they sat I think you should change agency doesn't look like this agencies looking out for you. You should be getting a little bit law job even for newbies to Yohan project. That's very very few. So I talked to them. I said, okay, I want to cancel the contract and try different Korea direction and within the week. I'd how I want to terminate the contract they have tons of project. It's one of those. It's like, oh wait now. Don't leave us only should this little time. So I I would take the happy take the project, but I'm still. Overnighted because it's they I well you've you only going to representing me when I want to dev- does not going to be not for me to leave. All so, I need jobs doesn't bad relationship. Yeah. So I covered under lesson. The hot way is that. Oh, it's important to not just have to pick. You is very important as artists to pick the right agent for yourself and agent doesn't always necessarily mean to have to be famous and big company has to be that person you can establish a good trusting relationship. Good communication with. And it can be equal communication is not the agent feud. I they control your career has to be balanced is that you can tell them what you want. Why should go and they help you to get so as to eighty respectful, healthy, trusting communication relationship? So. With that lesson nine the second time, I find Asian keep that is. And I say it's not just a pick me after pick them too. So I applied to up on places at a few cases respond to me so Utah on the phone the interview and this time row, I'm much more aware is not jogging jumping to the company pick you with agencies. They pick. You also have to pick them. So I take notes this time care. I talked to five different people and wreck down how I feel about that. And I also asked him tough question to ask me tough question. Also asked him tough question than I said, okay. This is my curry ago. I give them my most ambitious career go in my sin, so ambitious ridiculous. But that's what I want to work to also I kept album. I know is not easy to reach this, go and I- realistic. Some it's cooked impossible to rich the scope, but that's the direction I want to on this this and this, and then some people that and on this to that wall. Tell me some say, yeah, we feel comfortable to help. You look to us that direction as you your will. This thing about your goal is not easy to rish as I totally get it could be impossible to get there. But and it's destined Iraq our onto two one two full support and some people on us. They said, well, I don't know about that. Maybe we can try to what with Sean for ESE how things go, but I really don't want to talk to find another agent in e you've doesn't out that's going to raise my time. But then it's good to have all those confiscation of front, and I find this new age in the I signed with now, and she's awesome. She said, oh, yeah, we have comfortable, and she's Asanga realistic. You know, how ambitious you're go is. So it's not guaranteeing. No atonement note. It's not guaranteed. But I want to look to austat direction in Oakland this fun, as you know, what you asking happy to help. I know if me. Since English is not my first language wishes charging impoverishing because menu, right? My rights as not going to be as good a someone who'll English is staff mother-tongue. So I also make that out front is that while I need help with writing is I tell the story. Excellent story writer story town up, but I'm not good, right? Ryan come to ten ecology linguistic, Tenneco Tate, grandma language, structure, I need times to grow and she's ill of dot become what with you help you with that. And also, you end the time come you sell a book, if the editorial support we can you up of people talk to the proper Shaughnessy so supportive of. Okay. I feel comfortable because I talked to some Asian. They will say, oh, okay. Yeah. You do have asset. So that's a problem for you. Yes. She that's made him. I she says she said, oh you allow and you want to go you want your career to be? There will be a challenging, and I even American citizen because you want to go you can't have two citizen to get some national off because I wanted to I would like to get some a what someday now maybe some day. We'll be nice while you have to be a citizen to do that. Not mom. Say you want to set your go. Hi, rich this time. I'll hot to go to stop is that as I sought judging Essa is that made me feel uncomfortable. It's like deal knew what a goal means. It means something in the future you work towards. Yeah. And I'm also days that I know people can say they want to get Oskar, and they get it. That's fine. I want to aim for something big. But if I didn't get it. I'm not going to go depressant commit suicide of but I just want to walk to us that insurance. I'm always put myself to be improved faster. But then the way she talked me on talking to add imaginary school English teacher is how many chromatic mistaking wants. Yeah. Someone to be like your sites are a little too high. Let's bring them down here. Assize? No. So I know you have awesome resume. I'm sure your agent, but not my type I'm already frightened talking to you too. And I'm talking to an inventor swing. Who is this person? Like, I need to have conversation with. Yeah. You bench. She does have the second time. I discover is important to find the right person because you have to work with that Hudson. And especially agency when you're developing a story idea in the beginning, no story idea is perfect in the beginning. When you say idea Simpson, a fun story idea, and you want to show your agent because that y'all creative pan is what do you think I think I can see the potential and to give you a positive feedback? And then you go back to the drawing bought what would is. So let me give you comfortable. So they don't show you what a stupid idea this whole this story is not going to know. This is not even I idea under c- share. So you MS in posited that person they would Tony get that. I understand is just a brainstorming idea you have Potocki show. And this is how I feel that will how so you want to be creative. Not someone just show you. Idea. If I wanted the middle school approach to this. I would've asked somebody who's twelve. So congratulations on your new agent as also and also regressive novel that you're working on very excited about that. And is there anything you can tell us as far as like how it's going or like the process of it yet has I can talk a little about not too much. So the title is mush mental and Jordan, you be published by the second on ten tainted release date will be and off to nineteen issues. We don't have a real that yet because I'm still account book. So I'm somewhere writing in chapter fool to get cracking. Then you get cracking on it out. So it's a middle gray picture book estimate. Two hundred fifty page issue for this particular one. I do pitch is going to be WADA I'm going to cut the whole thing of that is going to be challenging. So the story is about this new girl. She's about trough years all trophy as all and first year middle gray this story, stop in her fishy immigrate. But before the story happened a few years before the story happens. She was aimed at a mattress school on. She's the captain of the neutral lead basketball team and a wing national championship. So her dream is to continue basketball ethic Korea. She wanted to be at professional acetate. But then a Cup of ES before she go to middle school. She gained her Cossutta and she paralyzed from the way style. So I should go to middle school. She still pond off the team she played with the team, but she cannot compete fall because she cannot along run an an Monday, she meet that Allah fan, and Addison is a special so we can get too much into and then they become friends and the ad a fundamentally help her to discover a new spot that she can pursue. And what to us as a professional ethics is not going to basketball, but it'd be something difference. So it's a story about friendship trust adjustment. How to adjust adapt in life and it went out of funny moon, and yes, so that's all the pot. I can talk about I'd Elijah dog. I'm me. This know knock on to. But I I like that story and also something you'd mentioned in, you know, we're in your creativity. 'cause I was just wondering too if you could share a little bit about just your ideas of creativity in your ideas about story is I feel like a lot of your stories. Very fun new very whimsical. And there's definitely a deep core in their people can relate to and I was wondering where does that come from can use speak to that of just your process for creating stories. Oh, Intel soft does ECOWAS some a lot is my own child because I also do mostly Keach shower. I don't do. Grow up start much more closely fought shootings alongside draw from my own childhood. And the the thing I like an also sometimes thing I like sometimes as a key to the Kathleen that made me feel uncomfortable insecure. And how I will adapt. I'm live off a quirky kids. Our only child and. Most of my is a traditional Chinese family. So most of my cousin the group of Kita along my age the suit should be somehow mature dinner because that more into mass Langridge, they're much more savvy with mall, mature of the subject matter. I'm just like drawing catoon logic to time at teenage as do drug onto an play of toys all day. And I knew just the other additives it this this something wrong. If this kid watching tuna of toys, though. Uncomfortable moment because the cousin. I got really good grade. Math and a good cottage. They that we accomplish in computer science business a medicine law. An diva. I'm intial. What to not it doesn't help? I'm the only chows I get into at with the grow Ameritech. So they already have I'm living off and taunted them. It doesn't help us. Everyone up video sophisticate by the teenage about social content, social sensitive content. They just news on Wall Street bra politics. What should we be doing? Second. This is a new toy. I couldn't have good. Something weeding live this kid. So yes, so long story. So I mean that fun. But at the same time is also you got ugly thing you had just something wrong. This this something just you learned a hat, probably a parent's job you on the menu a baby. The wrong. I can relate to that. I still feel that what if I met some older relatives? That's hey, I've been writing comic books. They cut too. So. Yeah. So it it's a heist few. So a lot of those. I put a my story. I mean most kit, I'm sure they have other issues they would refracting the same way. But I guess that student ethical away. Sometimes if I talk to my mom's how you doing what you? These comic book contra affair second. Weedy? Awesome comic book. I'm writing this two hundred fifty eight comic remorse. There's good good food. You them to show my mom, take my whole comic but writing seriously. I would say a solid fifty percent of conversations with my parents are about movies, and comics, and at this point, they just know that when I call it will be you know, how are you? How're things going house family, and then it will turn into. So this is the recent movie that I saw this director the have you seen this when I liked about? Did you see and their sponsors, usually like this later dialogue? I like this. I like the lighting, okay? Yeah. I listen. I folks we still go to twice doll. And if we go to books, they usually people go travel back home, you do something adult when feel parents, they take your parents. I'll nice fisticuffs Dina too nice store to buy whatever sophistication of item eight that was the latest toy stall in Asia. I want to see the may just. Does the new book? Hey, let me go to June US will be problem. Pick up the natives coming holiday show right now. I got my hate that. I feel bad for you at wise on the people they have need to grandchildren's. They take to twice doing comic book stall to buy comics, and toy you just stuck with me is used to take your daughter to comic books toys. You didn't get to do adult thing. If you don't. He say, that's fine. I just don't get old like keeping me. Because I'm usually kids by our Asia. Take our parents to something really nice as he's sorry. Just duck with me going to comic bookstore. I find what helps those when you have your own place, and you have your own car, and you have your own job. And they see that. Oh, you're not homeless. You're not yet are having your living in our basement. Oh, this whole comic cartoon movie thing is working. Okay. Once they see that you're actually able to take care of self pay your bills. And then if they see, you know, if you're working on your name in credits, then it becomes real also comes. That's what happened with me. Like once I got a job, and they could come to the studio, and they could be my supervisors, and they could see like this is my desk. Computers. My stuff it. Okay. This is real. And you're not the only adult here. All these other adults wearing graphic tees and whatnot. And they'll have jobs and cars doing, okay. This is real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yes, I mean, not they get used to. But but then this do other non parents the renovative. I don't think everyone get it that one just never grow up one that moved up here in California. You know, they moved up to Hollywood, quite sure. Yeah. The cookie one still alive. So she's doing okay. That yet. Family functions. They say either very I case, very popular with my kids. Yes. You know? It's like you send them drawings and stuff, and they're like, so I still have to shift to the kids table. I was going to I'll go to that family. Dina doesn't matter whose family is a Alina. Oh, great. Okay. He is clay on some crayons sketchbook for you. And that's your chin. Sable everything. Thanksgiving all he only the kids are sent to draw on the table. Crop. Got news newsprint table cross on the kids are drawing gun Cray on the table. You can draw everyone so crayon here for you on the color you want to. All five sixty. You know, also sit with you. But I like sitting at the show sample because it's like, you said wanna talk about politics. Yeah. Yeah. Some of these really talked about or talk with these kids who are really excited that you. Yeah. Or, you know, so you and you get assigned to drum roll pop on a mommy to draw kitschy keesa should both. See I I like swimming path. It's pretty much at any family function half the time. Okay. Let's go talk with you about this. When I get tired of that. Then I go and talk to kids because kids are like the show this that meal. Unlike cool. All right. Let's check. I'm glad to hear that while they might not a hundred percent get it that they're supportive in. That's the most we could ask fully understand it just support me. And my windy what I'm doing and butts. That's works. I think with a lot of new Korea type this days, some new I don't even get to be on this people do social media. Yeah. I never understand those. But I respect them. I don't get your job at all. And on instant gram everyday. I don't get it. But hey, guess assess ended up that's awesome. Good for us. I think that's another of the new kind of job is so different that you don't have to understand what's amazing because a lot of jobs now the infrastructure for them didn't exist five years ago. So there's just an hour. I mean, I think we were talking about like friends and family day, like YouTube star just the fact that there's a you. Yeah. Yeah. Make money by unblocks. Ing yen's. Yeah. I don't get a less. People will watch you having to something that you pulled out of a box, and somehow that's a job like good for you. Yeah. Just for you to. Did not know that would even be. Yeah. Or the twitch streamers who are getting money the dollars play Ford ni- on our video game. Yeah. The broadcasted on twitch, and then they get sponsors or they get people donating dollar five dollars making six figures for this. And yeah, getting sponsors like Disney that didn't work out. So, you know, they're huge career. Good for you. It's like, hey, you can probably that into a career feed yourself by things need by to stay afloat was not to me. It's like, hey as long study legal. You're not causing harm to yourself mask. Yes. I'm all this new phone of curry is I respect you guys. I don't get it. But I told us that even like what you were saying, how would you wanna Tyrian view with high limb, and they knew you because of your work. There was no online when the analysts were first in school like yeah. L mystery school that did not accept that. So the fact that you can publicize yourself before age it, you're kind of agent just letting people know exists. This is what I'm yeah. Oh, that's amazing to me. Yeah. It's true. And I always tell people is that went I was in school. I was in college that this only if you want to animation. There's only a handful of folks you counting may be that mall prestigious one frown on the initiative life, which radium and Preston brea, and maybe a couple of other smaller tight how that's it. But now this day if you want to any mation, you have no money to buy expensive books radio you go to you to African you want from concept drawing painting how to any mate freebie enemy today. You don't even need to buy bulls. And back in the days that if you want to animation is read the books of watch some making off radio off a movie, so yeah, it's the resources just so massive now. But even that just the fact that there's making of on the fact that there's DVD's and Blu rays, and there's like making of people that we're going to show you how did it has what I started. They didn't have that at all. It's like how do we do this? We don't know yet. You have to figure this out. Yes. But yeah. Magic fund this company does. Wait. It's like, okay. So I step we have to teach these guys how to crawl not even we have a movie, I we have to teach them how to draw woman, and how to draw a deer, and we're going to bring people and live animals, and we're gonna teach you how to draw to teach out make the move. They're gonna teach you how to paint him, and they were gonna teach out of a movie, and we hope this works. We're over budget. Doesn't work. It doesn't work. We're done for you have no more company. So yeah, it's make things he is. Yeah. Is that you can just make thing put it online and make that into something. Yes. They're just make more. Exactly something works. Yeah. True. I also wanted to talk to you a little bit about you were saying earlier that you felt a little quirky, you know, because of your interests, but also has such a variety of cultural identities, you mentioned Indonesia Chinese now you're in North America. Does that make you feel quirky and does that have an influence on your writing? And art it does. Yeah. It does because growing up in a Chinese society with family has a strong donation inference Graham was interesting. I have got that I wouldn't use the word discrimination. But you got that adept patient issues, you don't Chinese to a hundred percent Chinese, but I go to school funny asset because my is pure Chinese my family, they speak Indonesian at home. I don't speak the language, but pick up the Assan, and we also speak Mandarin. At hall at a time, Hong Kong, speak Cantonese at negro. So all those makes of as just the asset in school. Are they get teased by people say what I was wrong. China's I have occasion to school have exchanged dude onto f- foreign at Japanese Korean those kid. They don't get teased because they know everyone Japanese so the fat you speak some Chinese speak pretty well. Awesome. But with me, even you speak Chinese, but your Chinese sounds funny. We. Yeah. We. So. Yeah, definitely. Although so, but then it is fascinating to me because I got this Indonesian inference enough to country. I was to buy that all the relatives. They risk their bring back crossing food. And even my grandmother, she just bond, I grew up. That's the cooking stuffy, so I gotta makes cow show. So in the way, what is interesting with me is even though I grow up, a Bon growing Chinese society and home kinda town is a British colony too so Chinese, but you are not Chinese citizen British citizens. So is all this. I really interesting on this mix of nationality. I think for the longest time, I've pretty I willing to confusing. I don't have a country that I feel is a home home because it's a live of everything. And then you're you're living on the colony. So is that kind of home, but not reading an icon. Kind of being the Chinese society not hundred percent, and I moved. He has most here is the beginning at that is not chew bad because I never I'm quite hundred percent fifteen ninety where any house just just one country to end of the country is about the same. Then they do affect ops. That's why I tend to have a Pashkov subway shin cow show that I some British inference deal some European opponent. He as a Chinese and defeating America adapter law of American couch in so even with storytelling. It is lip of makes I'm doing my comic books on media whiz. Certain stories structured is very American story turning structure. But when I'm designing the panel, I cautiously will put in some anime influence because that's what I grow up. I watch anyway, going up and then some of the mandate some of the shootings the story take praising Indonesia in a boat. So some of the mandates, and how Keach talk a response is stuffed under the Asian American. So I have just a wealth to end at a wall slightly subconscious pitched us story to publisher a fuss ay. Crab media media hot to actually initiate, I didn't even pitched a star is take Christ Indonesia because I was worry. If I say, the star take precedent donation to publish show attorney down because is American publisher the book is going to be released for American audience. So I was trying really hot to say come over fantasy location is that is some kind of like Hawaii is a nominee because how on it has stuff Pacific cultural and come up with a fictional, mafia notification just undescribed which country, but Tropico Kaushal and publish combat is that how do you get this story idea? I should they somehow reflect on occasion because they said this is a fantasy it okay shin. But the story is pretty good. It's deck story the fatty realistic stories, why don't you use a real geographical location? They don't get it. Because then I kind of so though American Harare. But they know it's not because the content just. The doesn't read like that. So I told they said, do you she in your mind. Oh, real okay shit. I said yes, in my mind, the star is in Indonesia, and you'll be body donation because the star is strongly tied to a Hindu cultural, and oh that's good to nose, and why do make this location. Then if you already have eve in your head is very clear, physical location of physical culture, because I'm really I say out loud the star take place in Indonesia with a Hindu, cultural background. You guys will not want it because the reader of Americans know we wanted even law because introduce new coach show to number of either. Even better is better than you this confusing pseudo makes east-meets-west random location that we get really confused. What is this place, and it doesn't make sense because some of the casualties. I don't get it. But then now you give me a real -cation not told him. Excise? Then why don't you just focus putting the real Kaushal setting in your story? UB? Thank you actually will make writing to star is so much easier because I'm struggling how to translate this jumble of cow show. Make this story work if you allow me to tell the story in the actual -cation. I have in mind if start it will be a lot better that. Yes. Please. Now, we become fears of eating this. As you make a big notation real enough because I know want to want to hear a southeast Asian story that I know we want that will be really cool. Thank you that you have so much easy. I can put all my coach show all the stuff that the feeding have actually into book, they the Kice go to international school, and they have friends from Japan after American Australia also know co people'd Oko have different Indonesian different regions of Muslim Hindu his touchy touchy with some of the religious group. So I have lib does a subtly discuss about aunt those social contract, stuffy, no eighty subtle Keady way. Not I hate this is real associated make you feel very relatable because us what we are defending right now to sometimes different people have conflict and is not necessary. Some people are not mean about turtle Turkey mean two days just misunderstanding because of couch out differences religious differences. Jeff misunderstanding cuff tried to in top someone else. Have it with you own couch? Armitage's believe any just a son one. And as miscommunication stuff's I actually apply dose in starting a no rarely making out fake me. They. The end the jewelry. While using. Thank you. Coat various cultures. Various. Yeah. I thought they would not want that. But no that'll be cool. You should. So yeah, definitely my story. Allot is they draw from my own experience to read this. Yeah. That sounds really good. You know, you have steadily hellos were how do you have always wanting to know how people manage their time when they're working on projects like this. So that they know, hey, I need to go to sleep. Now. Eat now, I need to spend time with friends and family now like how do you bounce also that it's not just eldest work ninety hour weeks every week on this? Oh, I treat just a studio job Evanston left to do. I still keep the same schedule between seven thirty to eight thirty because I I don't have to commute. So I can't depend how tired I'm usually. I try to beat maybe seventh at he to age out if preface novel the team in his to forty five minutes breakfast, and as that work for sure at nine shop. So that if I have a studio geic. Will be show up at nine and lunchtime twelve to one and then just that one hour window, and then at the studio say if you know you have too much what you'll have to OT and you don't want to teed late. You just need to go to walk early on just chipping slightly more times at the end of that they as say eve after go shopping mid off the day. So that minus thirty minutes to chop off my lunch hour to keep us except the same studio our at home and by around six thirty seven that I'm enough look date shutdown compute do fun stuff. An e so pretty much keep excess to deal routine. I never changed even after I left the studio and one thing I learned hours can't studio, especially my first few Lia will game company a hate not nothing at EA. They make people tend to child hours day, pus Saturday and sometimes Sunday and. That damage my house fall while doing a long time. So I learned a nice things that I do not want OT. So if I need OT, I have keep the ideal OT, I would like say a studio say I don't own team Monday to Friday, definitely not on Saturday Monday to Friday t's only eve is necessary. If there's a milestone in Ponta, my stone, I've to defer X amount of chapter to my editor. All I sat up this milestones. I have to finish this chapter by the state or else the rest of the production. We get pushback who phallic that our shipping OT on the wise. I don't do not at all. So I pretty much keep that student. The supreme. And I feel like pushing yourself who mush is that you over time too much is as you become countable duct tape are nine that my Alice Makiko studio, you'll get OT tantrum. Our day, you feel that you do not as she after a while just so tired your average. Activity go down so saying nominee, you can draw ten drawing a day without your so tire. You only draw three to four drawing a day. But then you're sitting there for extra five to six hour, and that's not worth it. So I learned my own patterns. So like early do my thing I'm Tanya at the end of the day should on compute. Huff have a normal healthy. No, watch TV in DACA, whole stay. So that woke up pretty well disciplined. It is very disciplined, which you have to have though every person I know who works from home or freelances you have to have that level of discipline. I think there's this misconception talking with people that don't do freelance allot of oh freelance would be great because I can just work from home, and do whatever you want. It's like, no, you have to actually be more disciplined than if you were working at studio in the studio system, you need to be there twain, sir time leaving certain time you have deadlines minds you have bosses supervisors. Who are physically there or your meetings with telling you, you are a part of the pipeline. If you're part is done than the whole ship runs. Aground episode is late and doesn't go on the air our show. We'll get cancelled. Right. And you have to do have to discipline yourself at work. You have all these other forces that force you to be disciplined. Whereas if you're at home, it's like, you could just go crazy and just not be disciplined. All then you won't get jobs. They will pay for it. Though, your method is sound that is very impressive. Yeah. Well, is is the ex I didn't change schedule pretty much the same schedule at work. It just bring it home for me. It's easy. I don't have to keep track of that. I just do the same routine. Every time I know for me, sometimes it's just so easy to not go crazy as in. I'm gonna just chill out till noon in my pajamas. And the, you know, I'll just work later. Whatever is awake early work the whole day. And just be like, you know, I think I'll work till one or two just to give this project, and that's not healthy, you know. And I've definitely learned the consequences of that. Yeah. It's hard when you're freelance not to just push yourself way beyond health. Yeah. I guess I have that. I was at studio them Alicea EA. That's how he pushed employees fumble the year we are doing ten to Trump holidays Prasada day. And I do. Member doing one year for June. I'd have a huge company meeting and executive is hey this week is fall July. You guys will have two days off during the weekend. Yes. All the who and coming to hand the whole fraud. Silence. I can't on this. I think everybody have two days off every week. The only guest today off the fall why they so happy we are so upset and by that time already mother haven't year be a running attend who trial holidays press Saturday. So a lot of people already guests sick sees Coney say you have a call of Fru it just hotly recover from fruit. Some people have to hospitalize also other most serious issues and that the people were families with kissed out family. Life is our good and the walls cases separation cases coming up. So everybody is really upset, and I will sink. I'm still pretty young outscored the time. So my body to handle it. But I saw can handle it actually to us the end of the production. I still remember I was moving apartment at a time. I know I hurt my back. I never recover job to go onto punch though, because you injure you have time to see a doctor you go to. The doctor Monday say well, you got no about injury you need to a few day on steam and stuff. You don't have to time to do that you'd go to work you sitting there for time travel. Our that's not good when you have a low about injury. So that no issues to haunt me on an off to this day. And after we got off my house meet hey, so low after see I I'm not hospitalized say, but you're just always constantly higher. And by the time, I suddenly the up some wiz dress and cya tea is not panic at. But is that you will get jets for no say normal day. Nothing serious, you go to your prime to go to go through stall and do this halfway the day your friend's car. Hey ending. We come out got together. And I'll get panics. Oh, I can't get done. I printed that you get anxious Fano Garrisa nothing that happened. And it doesn't matter. This win a second. I'm usually happy. Go lucky. Pus on. I don't guess jazzy. Why do I get rental and Sidoti and debt last two year because so tons at work all the time, the mental recovery take long, physical recovery all the physical health issues too young to recover Bodas a coupon show diet broad to reset your system. The Manto stressed to yet recover after the I'm not this is not. Not what. Oh, it's not. No. And I think I've to chew yet. I managed to figure out what how to handle those inside tea, and none I quit. My job. I cuss the fish few EEO onto independence. You don't have come. And then you get anxious those mental inside combat that haunt me. But then now I learned so is like Frisch experience. I figure out how to meant when I start feeling random as high t's. Okay. Time to back down. Relax. A bit is not was to Q yourself job is is Impala time. But then if young healthy forget about any Korea. So is in the moment. I stash says the incited I'm not even supposed to have anything anxious about what is just normal. Everyday thing. You must not to spy on milk cost take a break because it's not what the I get that. I think I learned that hot the hot way early on our EA that to you. Ios off health recovery is so bad that never want to do that again. Yeah. It was pretty bad. We have a one of my teammate the time. He's only early meet good. He super healthy he out. He doesn't small listen drain healthy. And he gets so stressed when what he got mine. Hat cat over gone the fee way to one who. Yeah. And he's wife calling. He's in the hospital and in the company, we should Howson can go by. No. Yeah. The one is still angry. Do you heal? I just sat. My husband a minor hotter town the freeway. I know they do a physical check on him. They see while Kalsa had had because the guy is healthy. And they contact anything wrong with his physical house is that he's very perfectly healthy Posen. Only thing that go wrong is his jets. They do a stress ties is off the rove. So they the only thing that goes wrong with the whole checkup is his stress level. Is dangerously high everything else with he is hundred percent perfect. So that who just coming to kill you. Yeah. Q U. Was the stirring, the whole EA. Yes. He said EA spouse. Okay. I don't know what this is. So they that's the time soon after the a class action lawsuit on the employee spouse. Because that's what happened is a lot of people get hospitalized safe from overwork. And then they don't teat. That's the thing they make people over time for a year press without overtime pay. I it got so bad. The whoever the rifle husband will at a company they never get to see family because he looked kind Trump Alice day in office doesn't minus the Camille, so even calculate commit inevitably defamatory and people have start having a family issues because of that on your health go down, and as people got a lot of hospitalize health cases because of the stressful look situation on top of that you will so high you don't get paid for. So a bunch of people Sudha company, and that you have to pay off the employees, but the payment is it doesn't cover the damage after you pay is nice you'll pay but it doesn't come off. It's video yet. It's Kurt units. Movie. People don't yet twelve hour days. A lot of people don't understand how important unions are. And so when I hear people saying like, oh, you know, whatever with the union. It's like it's so great that the animation industry has a union because I have so many friends who work in the video game industry. And they always tell me I wish we could unionize. It hasn't happened yet. We have union but not every studios in the union because I hear stories of people who work at studios the art in the union. And I remember when I moved tell a asking, what am I I school? Oh, where should I apply to which companies which are not so great? When the first thing that I won't name the company. So I don't think it exists anymore. But he just flat out said don't work here this places car. It's terrible. And it wasn't a union place. They were severely underpaid and overworked, and it was just a really crummy environment in studio, maybe lasted two or three. Year's total died. Very quickly. Speeding that was it unto on us on Newton grind employee downtime. Trow our days. I remember it's to most of the time we baddie adding mate a few second. You'll just so tie. You'll gray is not looking gadget upon you at work. All the affidavit. I got you'll bring stop working so Nanri say you can produce five minutes off enemy Shen rocking ourselves in the day. Sometimes it goes down to maybe baddie minutes because I forgot how to your brain just not work, and you're so tired. I get upon some hockey religious PJ TWA, especially on Saturdays cameras able to roll off the bat and sometimes. Q p people would just say, you don't even care while you, look, it's pretty bad. So those antennae Conley was pretty good in the beginning. But to us the end, he stock getting not as bad as the, but it's also pretty bad and a few of those experiencing my career. I promised myself someday, I won't for myself. I work the way I not going to own T Anez is absolutely necessary. Yeah. Ask it. Well, you have been very generous with your time. And it's been absolutely talking with you today in one of the questions, we always like to ask at the end is you could go back in time and give some advice to your younger self with something that you might say that's a good question. I never think about giving a wise to my youngest sell potty. I think I'm still not sure I know I'm doing sometimes. But I guess. You've is. I'd have to talk to my youngest self. I will say it's really not was it to heal your health for any company because that Cup off at the a it is meeting wasn't not for any reason at a time. I do it Patty because I'm on a what can we and he's hot to change job on foreign Amiga with all the immigration -application going on. But with perspective. Now, I feel is still not with it could kill yourself is. Sometimes if you feel the won't place doesn't treat you fatty with respect is I feel abusive is important to step out as big for yourself. All if you don't feel comfortable doing that Haya entertainment lawyer to speak for you, which they on. But I have entertainment lawyer is a lot at because they know your Representative lawyer, they how be a lot more cautious with how a cheap you because otherwise you can talk to his, hey, I'm looking this crazy out. Not pay the with hold his stabbing. That's not Nico by cut off on your law at all. That's total ego to do that. So that will be my advise is east reading not wasn't to Q. Your household job? No matter how cool. Awesome job is especially when you're young you're seven long Currier. You don't want to burn out too early and different to damage your house too early because you can't replace health. If you all these damage does not much you can do about that. So I would I take off to health befall Korea. That's a good lesson. So he'll like the listen nowadays is isn't it cool that you're working ninety hour weeks and killing yourself your dream? And it's like, no, no, it's not actually this is terrible. Be something that feel like especially just with this is a worldwide thing. But just with the US society workplace thing that it somehow coal to not sleep going. Going. Because you're building something that doesn't make enough because you've you because sometimes when you're younger, you don't feel the damage or take longer for you to fuel the damage by the time few the damage to your house is either a live too late off ichuro be hot to recover. That was stay with you for a long time. And as you get older wherever that left over issue. Just get worse because when you get older, your body recover slow just backfire on you say ten years later, you might not be happening now when you're in your twenties, but it could backfire on you in forties forties knife. And all he do cool thing in forties. So you still onto save up all the energy to continue to do cool thing because the people's life span that you can stay super Yellen healthy to sixty seventy eight that people in debt, sixty seventy two highly energetic to do awesome style. Have try. A rancher Correa rate lifestyle. And you want to have those on your oldest ever know onto burn everything seeing kit, not sleep in their twenties thirties, he liked those people in those advertisements where they're seventy years old and they're walking in the woods. And you don't know what medication mayor on somehow. They're still able to go kayaking every summer I wanted my teacher. He's in his eight. He always take you off himself weighty. Well, he doesn't even I decay shin. His travel around the world teacher different ads school getting white to different ask way different country t shirts. No medications do healthy do pain on draw is at that's awesome. And he's in his eighties. I wanted to be. I don't wanna die at disc. 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And that's what we're here for right now to update you and everything that happened yesterday on the big brother celebrity to live feeds, and it was kind of a slower day here, Bobby. Yeah. Definitely a slower day. There was a couple of things that happen that kind of changed the game of little bit for some people. But for the most part pretty slow today. Yes. So really we're going to we're going to have Lolo in Natalie want to. Today at work on making sure that Tom and Ricky are getting along. So low low is Natalie is going to have a conversation with Kato to tell Cato. Hey, you know, Ricky likes you guys. He, you know, he regrets not naming the alliance with you guys before that Ricky's, really, he's he's a standup guy, you know. And and he's not really as much of a threat as you think he's actually, you know, people people don't like him very much. He's somebody that you might want to take to the end that was Lola that said that but still the they're just they're campaigning for Ricky to Kato. They want Ricky to get along with these guys they were really trying hard to get Ricky on on the Tom and Gaydos side, especially when they came to Tom with Ricky and said us, Ricky just used on just tell them that. You know, I want you to make the alliance name. I want you to do it. Your smart guy. You come up with such creative ideas, this'll be our things. So I can be part of the five wish I was in from the start. And this was what? Thought really made Lolo a kind of next year player by her convincing Ricky to do that. Because that opened that trust gate with Tom. Yeah. So. La does Lolo and Natalie talk to Ricky and Lillo his telling Ricky, look, you really need to work on your relationship with Tom. You should go to him and say that you want to name the alliance and. I'm watching this like, this is the most asinine plan. I've ever heard Tom was literally just talking to these two women the night before about how he doesn't trust Ricky because he knows there in an alliance, but doesn't want to be in it, and then whoa. Look at that. After the women are defending him. The next day. Ricky goes up to Tom and says, you know, what I really want to name the alliance and be a part of it guys. What do you think? I was I was like, wow. This is the dumbest plan ever. If Tom was already convinced that Ricky is is working with the women, and the women are not working with the two of them as closely as they are with Ricky this will certainly convince him, but we'll find out later how how it plays out. That she even sent him into that Lou my mind, and I was like there's no way there's no way I think is a savvy smart guy that has really captivated all of the big further ease watchers. There's just no way that this guy. Also, this and know for the my surprise him in Cato both do. Yes. Kato talks to Tom. And he's like, oh, you know, Natalie told me that Ricky's really regretting not naming the alliance with us. And Tom is like, I don't know. I still think Ricky's a big threat here. And then we're also going to get a conversation with Dina Joey and Ryan talking about Ricky where Dina's telling the guys, you know, I don't think Ricky's with those women. I think Ricky is with candy, and they're just kind of buy themselves of a little bit. I feel like I feel like Ricky is attainable. We we should try to get Ricky on our side. And it's just like what is it about Ricky, the makes everyone wanna work with this guy. Why I don't understand? He's then nothing, but his people off in the house and yet he's able to move his way into every single alliance. That is warned I just don't get how everyone can at one point eight this guy at the other point one to take him in. I get maybe from us repeating point. They think all of them can be him. But at the same time if he's got his his hand in every single pot. He's going to be able to stir things up like he likes to do. So I don't know if I would trust men my but for him to his like, I said his hand in all the pods. I think he's got a shot to really move further in this game. And that's the thing to when Lola was explaining to Cato. Hey, just Ricky's not as threatening as you think he's got weaknesses. He's he's really annoyed people. You know, he's he's a perfect person to take to the end. I was just like, wait a minute. Hold on. Let's think about it though. Who has he actually annoyed one tame? All right. Taymor is annoyed by everybody. You know, and he really didn't do much to annoy her in that, particular instance, he just she just thought something was true that wasn't. And he refused to lie and say that it was and then Tom, which was totally unnecessary. He went out of his way to annoy Tom. I don't understand it still. It's the one sort of anomaly in Ricky's game. However, we're going to see very shortly that Ricky does go through with his with this plan to talk to Tom doesn't happen on the feeds, but we see his conversation with Kato after. And he basically says, you know, Ricky came to me he said he wants to name the alliance. Now, he said, I'm a creative guy in the nation. Name it. I I he's such a sweet and nice guy. I like I like this Ricky five personal lines now for team fun. I am all aboard team Ricky fund. Let's do it. There you go. I mean, he's annoyed Tom. But Tom is now convinced he's he's on board. And not only that. But I feel like Tom is one of the most likely people to get over any sort of petty stuff that happened in the house if he feels like somebody has outplayed him, which Ricky certainly has done up until this point sorry. So I really don't think that Ricky will have trouble here getting votes, especially given his ridiculous ability to just get people to not only worked for him. These women are just like doing everything in their power to make sure that Ricky is. Okay. Then you got denied doing everything in her power to try and get the the guys to be okay with him. He's still got this thing with candy. And now he's just like using some kind of we've tried that. We're trying to come up with a term on Twitter here a weed related term for a missed. I came up with hot boxing. He's like he's hot boxing people like Tom into liking him for some reason. Yeah. No. I I couldn't think of anything the best. I could think of was he's stoning the rest of the of the group. I I honestly it blows my mind if someone were to come up to me and called me a break because I wouldn't do what they want me to do. I would never work with them. It makes no sense. Like, I just don't get how it's is wanting to go for this, it sucks. I love Tom. I think he's been great on the show. But I really hate see Ricky pool his stoned or his miss over over, Tom and keta. Yeah. It's it's strange stuff. And it it'll be interesting to see what happens here. I it definitely feels like Kato and Tom are getting played quite a bit by both the women and Ricky I my instinct say that Ricky is has the upper hand in this whole thing because he does have candy on the side. He has people like Dina who like him. I think he has whoever stays of the guys I think are probably willing to work with him in the future. He has the women working very hard for him. And now he has Tom and Cato. He basically has everyone in the house, whereas the women have a little bit a little more enemies taymor in particular, as we'll talk about today is pretty anti women at the moment. The guys if they stay are really targeting those women, so my instincts say that that Ricky has the upper hand here, but these women are very capable as well. So don't count them out either. Either way, I think that trio Ricky plus no low as people have been calling them are definitely in charge of the game at the moment. Oh, yeah. And I thought this was a huge move low low especially to be able to convince Rickey to do and tell him what he needs to do. I think that's what really moved her and Natalie up to that top spot in in my rankings as far as they're controlling the movement of the house, and they have little branches of of trust with every single person in the house, the the keys just keeping people like mar on their side for as long as possible to get through boats. Yeah, in honestly, I'm thinking a little bit. Like, I don't know how much she should have done this because I think the tension between Tom and Ricky was actually kind of good for her because it kept her and Natalie at the center of the alliance with Tom and. Kato both being totally cool with Ricky now, Ricky has a little more room to maneuver, which I think might not be the best thing. But we'll see how it plays out as we go along here something that I wanted to talk about with Tom is that before he has this conversation with Ricky he talks to the cameras, and he tells us exactly how he feels about Ricky and how he thinks that you know, and this is the thing to where. It's important to note that just because Tom talked to Cato about now trusting Ricky does not necessarily mean it's one hundred percent true. Because when he did talk to the cameras he said, I feel like we're making the wrong decision in regards to Ricky this before his talked with Ricky, and he's like, but I feel like I can't really push anymore. I think that I've said my piece I'm afraid that if I keep pushing they're they're not going to trust me anymore. So it is possible that he just took the opportunity of Ricky having conversation with him to change his his his tactic here and just lay off of it. And he might not actually trust Ricky now, but he did seem like he went a little bit over the top in his praise for Ricky. If that were really the case, I see exactly where you're coming from. I mean, I would hope that'd be the case. I'd hope he'd be kind of even missing us in a way that he's not really with Ricky. But he's just telling them all what they wanna hear. But for him to go to Kato and happy secret conversations with Kato the trust that. He feels with Ricky in with the other two women. I I just don't see I think that he has fully gone on board with this team fun. And I think that he's on board with just having a five person lions now. And I don't think it's a terrible move right now. But at the same time, I just don't think he could trust any of them to be honest with you. And I think that once they get down to five they'll be the to augment out. Yeah. If they even get down to five I I have a feeling that that that Ceric here is going to make sure that they don't get to the five in that candy is involved somewhere at the very least. But, but it's important to know that it is possible that Tom was not quite as bamboozled or hot box, or stoned or Hayes or smoked. As it may appear. But it also might be the case that he is also want to talk about how much better Tom is at being a person that plays the game. Then like anybody who's played since like big brother seventeen because he actually talks to us on feeds like seriously, nobody has explained their thought process and how they're feeling on the feeds more since Steve Moses on big brother seventeen and I love it. And I and I'm very grateful for it. It's insane. Seeing this guy actually talked to us, and he has pretty much. No, previous knowledge. He he talks a little bit of the little things that seem like the fight would Josh. And I mean, gosh, I'm blanking on his name. But he called Josh Paul, basically, the the pool incident where you for the juice face that that was talked about on the live feed yesterday. And so he doesn't have a full knowledge of the game. But. For him to go off to the east talk to us. Tell us you know, what he's thinking what he's planning and just talk about the day or what we're missing behind the scenes that's something we've been wanting for any player for so long. We thought we might get it last season. Because there there's a couple of super fans in the show. We got hearing their little bits and pieces, but not to the extent Thomas giving is not since like you said, Steve Moses. So it's so good to see. Yes. And of course, we should shut up Paris on big brother Canada. But but that was that was Canada that was not US doesn't count for what we're saying. But separate. Yes. So all right. So now we have team fund is a five personal lines. They're coming up with fist-bump there. They're all on board. The team fund train Kato is also now feeling like, you know, what I'm willing to put up Joey if I need to if Ryan wins the veto. And he uses the veto. I will put up Joey. I don't want to mess anything up. So that's what I'll do followed pretty quickly by Ryan enjoy having a conversation saying if we win the veto. We should not use it. Right. No. We're not gonna use. Yeah. No. They were very much. So we're not gonna take off there. There's no way because then we'll be the ones going up in one of us going home. Yes. So they're they're on board with that Natalie in Lolo are just they're just done with mar- this relationship. They it's basically like like, they have an ally in mar, but but it takes so much energy to work with them. It's kind of like Tyler with Caitlyn or Sam where it's just like it just took would've taken too much time and effort to appease her and everything that they're just kind of done with it. And they're just like, you know, what screw Samar. I it's becoming clear to us that if she stays this week, she's gonna be coming after us, and whatever it's fine. We're just going to deal with it as much as she gives us. Great TV on the live episodes in the diary room. She's just so much drama inside the house that it's hard to really move around and navigate through her emotions. She can be happy one day in the next day completely bawling her eyes out. So it's it's been the hardest thing to be able to use her as a moving tool in the game. And I think that the girls are just tired of doing it. I think they realize they can't move further in this game with her being close allies of making us her on the outside to kind of work their way in help them navigate through different alliances or different boats. But they can't work with her to the full extent. Yes. Which is not great for them. Because taymor has a lot of information on them a lot of dirt on them that she is going to be using against them. And it does seem as though she wants to go after them. She talks to Ryan about like, hey, Ryan. If you go up on the block, I won't vote you out, and you know, what I want to even go after those that block of the women alliance Ricky. Tom cato. I want to go after them next week if I'm still here. So taymor seems to a fully turned at this point. But again, this is taymor. She is a wild card that does not mean that she will actually go after them next week. This means that she was saying that she would. Yeah. Yeah. No. I don't I don't know where she's gonna lie when it comes all the chips are all laid on the table. I don't know what she's gonna do going forward into next week. But if she gets any sort of power in stays into the house, I will be all over those feeds because it'll be just amazing drama to see with especially with low in Napoli. Yes. So. Re Ryan Kato and Joey have a conversation where they ask Kato. Like, hey, what's up? Are. We in trouble here. Should we be packing is this what's happening in Cato, basically comes out and says like? I mean, pretty, you know, maybe maybe something might happen. And so maybe you should be maybe a little bit. Maybe prepared. It's a coin toss. You know, it's going to possibly be one of you guys on a pack. Our stuff ready to go and Kice anything to happen. You'll we think you're respectful guy in a respectable guy. We just want to have our bags packed ready. Go all it's going to be probably pretty fifty fifty. You gave them such a non-answer with such a definitive answer that they have to have in their heads that they're definitely going to be people going up if they're not selected or win the Vida. And this is probably a good time to queue up the point that Kato despite being a founding member of team fund is team. Definitely antiphon. I hate fun. I never won on the feeds. I hate fun. Stop the fun. He is I've tweeted this out. He's the complete opposite of Tamar. He is. Stabilizing force in this house. He has single handedly in the last two weeks the first two weeks kept the house from flipping from going anywhere. He is just so stubborn and adamant about his choices that he's. Nope. This is what I'm doing. And I'm sticking to it not only that. But I'm going to tell the people that it's happening and they're going to have to just like everything's going to be fine. We're gonna keep all of the drama away. And it's going to be great. And I've made my choice. I'm not gonna deviate from it. A maybe it's a mistake, but I've made the choice. So that's just how this the way. It goes. It's ridiculous issue. Like give us this. Let us have drove let us have this moment where they think they might go. But maybe they have this little. Oh, no, you're pretty much just telling them no matter what you're going on the block. If you don't win the Vida. And I mean, chili just needs to know if he's got a bag his bags pack because it takes an eight hours on the bathroom, if that, you know. Bolt hair already to go. So he's got a bag all that stuff up. Let us know. But they he ends up giving him that fifty fifty answer in that was all they needed. Yes. I'm seeing the he's he's like James. No. He's even worse than James. He is he's worse than James because you know, like James would would ruin blindsides shore. But at least James would still cause drama, and at least James would still go back on his word. And like he was something in the game. Like he didn't. He didn't stabilize things he was just a piece that would sometimes deescalate drama Kato, DS Glades drama and prevents drama and prevents strategic. Maneuvering Kato's just the worst of all worlds, and he still has the bad humor in mind. No, it's it's so bad in watching him on the live shows is just no one's laughing. No one's even doing anything to to help stop him from the ad humor. But he he's good in a play that shows that he was working with people and working in the house and making alliances making moves, but has a as the show goes he just has nothing to offer. Yes. And now as being mentioned he is even infecting the episodes with some questionable filler segments. And and to top it all off he has in fact decided at least he is thinking about this if the nominations do stay the same if Ryan or Joey do win the veto. He's thinking. Should just vote tomorrow off instead of Dina, right? We should get rid of taymor instead of DNA taymor instead of DNA. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, maybe it does. I don't even care. What do you stop Kato ruining everything? I mean. Yeah, let's totally get rid of someone that's gonna work with us in gonna help us in boats going forward to someone. That's clearly on Ryan Joey side, if they stay have threesome. So it's it's one of those things where there's no way you could let EMC over taymor it blows my mind that he's even thinking about it. I mean, I think that he if they were handling properly she might be now, they're not though. So I guess it's kind of up in the air. And I do think it's maybe possible that Dino works with them in the future. I think she's willing to do whatever she needs to survive. But still it's just like he just happens. He just happens to be in charge of the decision that makes every single thing worse on feeds. And sometimes it's the right decision for them. And then sometimes it's not the right decision for him. Like nominating DNA in the first place. So Liz, this some just I'm just frustrated with cable, we can't tell it'll. All right. So Joey does make a pitch to Cato. He says people, you know, people are. I have been considering using the Batman voice as Joey's voice when I do enjoy impression just all the time. So I'm still thinking about it. We're not going to go there yet. But it's if he continues to mention Batman, it might happen. Just just warning everyone. We signal up in the sky you have to have that ready to go. Yes. So for now, Joey is telling him people people are turning on each other. And it's just like I'm not about that. And you know, I feel like we can work with you. And you know, we've got these other people that just don't have good energy. And I just feel like if we keep the people with good energy. Then it'll be it'll be cool. It'll be fun. And you know, what I mean like, what are you? What are you thinking Kato and Cato is actually according to Cato impressed by this pitch? He's like, you know, Joey's a stand up guy like this guy, these guys they're nice. They're lovely. I would love to keep them. But I've I've made my decision. It's unfortunate. But I have made my decision. I stand firm. Yeah. He's fully on board. With one of these guys is going home. No matter what I don't think. At this point. Anything's changing his mind. But to see Joey come in and give his plea. You know, it really resonated to Kato that this is his final his final try. This is his last bit of hope, and he's like, you know, he's a stand up guy. I'm gonna give him this moment. And I just I can't do it. I have to live with the choices. I've made there's no hope for letting them in in the smallest bit and giving them an opportunity. So I think Kato's pretty much done with his decision. I think he knows exactly what he's gonna do. And or so close to it actually happening. I don't think there's anything that's going to sway him kiss. I've gotta pack. The Joey signal. No, more Joey. All right. So. Joe Ryan Joey are going to they're going to study a bit here. And normally I don't pay too much attention to the studying because there in fact, a lot of the people in the house are studying quite a lot. There's a lot of studying happening. They're making sure they know their days. It's a lot easier to study when you know only twenty something day season. Which you know? Maybe I spoke to soon because Ryan enjoy you're having a lot of trouble in there studying in particular, they're caught up on one point as they attempt to study here. Wait a minute Joey. How did how did you get on the block? How did how did you go to get on the block? I don't remember Joe is like. I can't should we ask Deena should we? Well, how did I go in the book? I don't how did I end up on the block. How did this happen? Bobby? No, it's it's watching to cavemen like this trying to figure out the plan trying to figure out the days in what you know. What even our it is on the house? It's it's I I mean, I like them. I think they're great guests on the show. But it's it's funny watching these guys that are all brawn in little bit of brains because they got themselves in this position where they have to know they'd have to know what's going to happen. What happened in the game? There's only been one week. How are we can have in their sense? But how do you not know? I mean Ryan you were age elite. You're crying out loud. How do you know not know what happened in your week in? How do you not know what's happened since you've been on the are since you've been a target? It's just been a week and a half. There's no way you can't know what's going on. And so to see this happen to watch this. It shows, you know, obviously, they know nothing about the show from previous terms, which we didn't expect them to. But at least. Hilla week in a half worth of material. Like, it's not that hard. I can tell you what I ate for breakfast that week ago. You can't remember who you put on the block in how they got there or how you know. Other people have been put on the button come on art to be fair. Jonathan was making all the decisions for them at the time. So I think that the you know, it was just they were on autopilot. And they just weren't thinking. It makes me sad that Ryan or a feels like Ryan or taymor. My like those are the two options for leaving on Monday. Or on today? The that's very sad to me. Taymor is not out of it completely. This idea of victim taymor over over Dina has not been discussed too much. However, given how done with her Natalie and low low are if if KEDO can bring Dina in on a conversation with them and get Dina to pledge your loyalty to them. It would not surprise me if they were willing to vote vote tomorrow. Which would mean, we either lose taymor or Ryan, which is like those are two of the best people in the house right now in terms of entertainment, which is it's upsetting. It's upsetting veto should be live tonight on the episode don't that's just sitting at home right now throwing stuff at his TV when he's gonna watch this competition in his there's just no way I feel like these guys will win this petition even with their backs against the wall. They need this competition. I just don't without the brains. They're like, you said just don't see it happening. If this was physical competition by all means, they have you know, like Cato said of fifty fifty shot. At it. It's not an it. Just it sucks. Ac- someone that needs that has her life in the game on the line that needs to come through competition. And I don't think they will. And that's the thing where you they keep talking about how big of like other such big threats these two guys they're gonna win all the competitions. They're such big threats. And I feel like again, this is just like lack of big brother knowledge, where like yes, you know, Ryan one one competition which was a swinging competition, and he won it with Jonathan. And it was kind of a weird one. And like, yeah, he won. But also barely anybody else wanted to win and he just managed to figure out how to swing a swing. Then he beat Jonathan one person. And he didn't do so very convincingly either. He's lost every other competition. Then we've got Joey who hasn't won any competitions yet the best competition. He. Was able to do he was beat by Kato? Who it was a physical endurance competition? He was beat by Kato. These guys are not threats. They are never gonna win any mental competitions. According to how they study they are not threats. They are. So they are just like they are cute little puppy dogs. Who are just so willing to take any master that just picks. This gives them some pets in says. Oh, good boys could boys and then can feed them some some nice food. And then grow them up into big attack dogs that will be super loyal and will attack people and be big threats in front of you. But nobody wants to use them. They're just they're just they're just remaining puppies. And they're just they're just. Shooing the puppies away. Go I don't I don't want you. I hate you puppy. That's what's happening. And I don't understand. It it blows my mind. These guys are right there for the taking you can use them in so many ways if you need them to win a physical competition, they'll win or you who in the house, we sides, maybe Lolo is going to beat these guys when it comes to a physical competition like a gist. Don't see why people don't use them to their advantage like very are ripening or the peaking like issues hick them up use them as you need them. And when you're done with them discard them because like, you said, most of these big brother competitions, aren't the endurance or physical hype of even the endurance? Ones aren't built for. You know, Ryan size is ATI size is not the right for the endurance competition. The only thing that'll be good for is strength competitions and use them as you need them. Their boats for your side. Do it. But it's not happening. I'm curious to see how how Joey exists in the house without Ryan. I'm assuming that we're going to be losing Ryan tonight, which which is a shame. They spent so much money on that. Pool. At the very least, the, you know, the pool company gave it to them for the sponsorship. And I feel like they have not gotten their money's worth, you know. But you know, they can always lounge around and hang out at the full whenever rhymes gone. I ain't Ryan might just want to take that within the constellation for being there for two weeks. So I know. Yes. We also got some Tom green at nights. However, it's very sad news. The serial Osprey is is done. It's over the died. Yeah. Tom is you know, he he's getting no feedback. He he doesn't know how we feel about serial Osprey. And so he's like he got maybe you'll hate it. So I guess I should just stop doing it for now. Because I don't know if you guys are liking it or not. And it's it's just like, no, we need to we need to like whisper serious brain, we believe in you. We love you. We need to we need to send him the psychic message. Because it's it's very sad. You know, whoever is working the camera is clearly not giving him enough information that we love it. Because everyone behind the scenes is in love with the Osprey every single night in how secretive and quiet is multi tries to do. It is us. It's the funniest thing. And is late night interviews with the camera letting us know what's going on. Like, you can't get rid of the Osprey at this point has become heart of the big brother celebrity to tradition. So. You know, hopefully, he has a change of heart. Hopefully, he sees the bigger picture that we all need cereal Osprey, and I just want to again quickly say that on last night's episode. We got an entire segment about Cato's bowel movements, and we still have not seen serial Osprey on the show. What was with that? The what are they thinking? No sense. It was disgusting. And it wasn't even a big part of the day. Like it. What is going on with that? As something you show on the teeth of the Osprey. We've had a every night. It's hilarious people love it. It makes no sense in. What are the big brother producers doing to us? They're they're doing whatever Ricky did to Kato is what they're doing. So thing they're all stoned. I guess so. Yeah. So tonight, we will have a live veto and eviction my guess, obviously, the most likely thing that's going to happen here is that Ryan is going to leave the house, which it just feels like he had more to give us. I it's it's rare that I feel like we've lost someone too soon. But I feel like I do feel like Ryan was supposed to be here longer. If Ryan doesn't leave it will very likely come down to DNA Ortega. Mar I not sure at this point, which one would go I think it's pretty up in the air, depending on who has what kinds of conversations today. So if Ryan has a surprise win, and you don't usually like keep up with what's happening during the day. Then you could be in for influence the prize. I don't know which way it's going to go. So that might be fun. I guess I honestly think that it'd be came down to Emaar and Dina I think the house because it'll happen all same time. And they really won't have a lot of time. To think about it. Unless something big happens today in my heart. I think pay Mars going home because they'll want to keep the the co everyone happy everyone on the same page. No more fighting, and I think that she's a big reason for the drama. So I think that maybe in their heads. They won't have enough time to think about it. She might be gone. But like you said if Ryan goes home he'll like it's just way too early like in my head. I'm like, there's just no way he's going like he's going to win this or something's going to happen. There's a twist like I just feel like they need him in the house or the the show to really work. Well, as it's been doing, and I'm not saying it wouldn't without him in the house. But I feel like there's something there with him in the house. So I don't know what's gonna happen. We'll have to wait to see the night. But in my heart, I think payments going home, but in my head, I think that'll be Reimann that's bad for the show. Yeah. It's unfortunate. But we will be live after the episode. I believe with with Caitlin hold on. Let me to see us. Caitlyn will be on with us tonight after the eviction. So that should be fun. And then hopefully, I will also be live on twitch tonight after the podcast to go over what's happening with the new potential new H O H and in in what's what they're thinking with nominations. And and all of that great stuff anything about Caitlin is. I was actually in the audience at her victim. On the most wild things I've ever seen. Everyone was making. No, one knew what was happening producers releasing their mind because she was finishing the puzzle. It was crazy to see live as crazy as it was on TV to be there in person, it was even more wild. There you go. That's a a moment to be there. That's a going down in big brother history. Yeah. 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