20 Episode results for "Dimaggio"
139 - Waiting for Joe DiMaggio
"Welcome to the kitchen sisters present six where the kitchen sisters. Dave Nelson N. Nikki Silva today with America's favorite pastime on hold the kitchen sisters present one of our favorite stories waiting for Joe Dimaggio Sicilian village waits in vain for Charlton. That was the headline that I pulled a sin. It was an article in the San Francisco Chronicle April twenty-sixth Nineteen ninety-three Chilton Joe. Baseball's legendary Joe to Maggio who played for the New York Yankees for nineteen thirty four to fifty one. His fifty six game hitting streak still stands one of the enduring records in sports. We're fans of Joma show. He grow up in San Francisco the eighth of nine children of Sicilian immigrants. He played in the boys club league with the other kids from North Beach. Right here near offices Joe Dimaggio mythic heroic larger than life and it didn't hurt that he was married to Marilyn Monroe for a while. So the headline it's no wonder it caught Davies I- Cecilia village waits in vain for jolt and Joe. This is what it set Feminine Sicily. Ever since the day last May nineteen ninety-two when Judge Giovanni Falcone was killed in a car bombing. A few hundred yards from here. This tiny village west of Palermo has been desperate to redeem. Its good name then like a sign from heaven. Word suddenly arrived. That salvation was at hand in the form of the Yankee Clipper at long last the villages most celebrated product jolt and Joe. Dimaggio was coming home to the village where his parents were married. Probably coming up go to module is really pick it up at home plate. Yeah he's really something. Just tell you a little story in my neighborhood in South Philadelphia. There's a barbara was named. Frank also sings Frankie cheech and teach the boy who cut all of my sons here. I take them from Vermont to fill up having first haircut because he gave me mine auto teaches in his eighties and in his window in Southwell opposite picture Sinatra who was hip Sicilian and a picture of the module a Sicilian tells me the stories told me twenty times about Dimaggio will the Yankees play the Philippians aligned drivers at the center fuel catches loosen. Your blessing of the twenty five million Italian American life and work so enrich our country is in your blessing upon this national Italian American Foundation. Be with us now. Lord the friendship of this evening deal unequal attend informed the nowy Il Tuo Asunto speeding. Speeding your eminence. Your Talian is absolutely flawless. Welcome to the National Tag. American Foundation's annual dinner continuing events since nineteen seventy six. I want to introduce to you the members of this day US tonight. I'm Dr Ken Changli now. The Senior Vice President of the National American Foundation. I am a fourth generation Italian American and the about a dozen years ago. This flyer came across my desk inviting meets the National Italian American Foundation. Now I would never join a an Italian American organization that American but it was an excuse to go to New York City and I went I was astounded. I went into the men's room and the men were four deep combing their hair. Which in Vermont? No-one combs her hair so I knew that I was home. All under arrest the director of the Federal Bureau Investigation. This is true story. I sat down beside this lovely. Typically Italian manicured woman about sixty years of age and I instantly knew a better grandchildren and her mother and father and as we as I was sitting there. She opened her purse and she pulled out a pair and said to me. Would you like a pair? Your lips look dry. I said I love this organization. Where have you been? I want to tell you that this party today is perhaps the best party. In all of America everyone who has a vowel in the middle of the end of their names has come here we've had Sinatra and Stallone Tiana poverty and Gina Lollobrigida in one thousand. Nine hundred nine at the Washington Hilton naive honored the legendary Joe. Tony show proud to present to you. My greatest hero of them. All Jodi Maggio does that with Oliver. Says he won't be using the voice of his father's fishing they say it took John Salomon eight years to convince the elusive. Yankee Clipper to represent the National Italian American Foundation. I approached Joe. Dimaggio on the idea that It really be good to go to Italy to kind of be a goodwill ambassador for the National Italian American Foundation and he liked the idea and I kind of got a sense from him of what his priorities were. One of them was seeing his hometown in eastern Della Femina. He's a fishing village. It's a small just off. The coast is Iraq. Sticking out of the water which gives the talents name according to local tradition back in the days when Sicily is governed by Arabs from North Africa. Women who committed adultery. Were put out on that little rock and left to die and hence the town took the name from Iraq island of women. Easily delay Julie Julie Shade Lindy these saw Jodi module born in California bats. His parents Israel effeminate. We are very proud of him in. America is a big names very fast so we are very proud to know this man that he has from easily through the European correspondent of the San Francisco Chronicle Walk. I was in Sicily covering the aftermath of the assassinations of judge. Giovanni Falcone and his colleague Paulo Four Cellino and I heard from a friend who had small tile shop in easily. Dimaggio's coming to Sicily for first time to visit his village. This village that was in no way Mafia village but it had had the stamp of the Mafia's most outrageous recent act. Put upon it and publicized worldwide and They were anxious various to try their best to get out from under the shadow of that is the nation so I decided I would go over there. Does anyone here in Isa Feminine. Thi- baseball we Jubal School Schubert. No baseball year just Football red carpet is our board Joe Dimaggio and his fellow big league stars. The plane was and it was dark movie. Food and Dr Ken Changli Vice President so we got to roll the Paparazzi were there. There were thousands of flashbulbs. It looks like the Fourth of July. We got into the Chased him tight speed car chase with people trying to get a picture of job and it was like that for an entire week. We could not go anywhere without people. Found was without cameras in his face ago. Jim At don tomorrow. I made all the arrangements and I thought well. If I've got Joe Dimaggio over in Italy I can't just bring them in and bringing them out after a special projects John Salamo so we Scheduled him To throw out a pitch in the In the Rome Bologna Ballgame. Of course mind you when I sprung this on him he said to me. Why did you do that? And then when we arrived there of course he was in his element. He loved it. He was enjoying being in the dugout with all of these Italian baseball players. Of COURSE WE'RE JET. Lag Me two hours of sleep and he had to go through baseball for the professional room team which was phenomenal. The baseball Italian fans again. He went through one sixty three house on jam. Yankee Stadium series whole series hand. Joe Dimaggio throw out the first ball. Only Joe was being mobbed in Rome. Final arrangements for his visit were being made in. East La de la Feminine in order to prepare the town for his arrival. They built a reviewing. Stand are just above the fishing word. Franks of Yana. European correspondent for the San Francisco Chronicle than they'd gone out and purchased Crystal Sports Trophy. We all that recognized his accomplishments as a Qatari baseball. There were waiting for him with arms open to to know. This man was mentally moral husband. And the big champion of Baseball Baseball baseball the United States so they put flowers years. They knew that Dimaggio was. Up Muscle Joker touting the baseball in America but they had no idea really what baseball was apart from the fact that he was famous in the village for being the son of Giuseppe senior. The Joe Arose. Elliot's mother the truth of the matter. Is that demand you everywhere? In Italy was far more famous for being briefly the husband of Marilyn Monroe then. He was for being a famous baseball player. A to last year. When Johnny Manziel scamming here the town was preparing a big festival music. A lot of lights. The Sun was very yummy. Logica underneath of US jobs in order to clean the streets in the village there was a water crisis that year. This was April and there hadn't been enough winter rains and they had to divert all the water that normally into private homes into the streets so that they can clean the streets in preparation for the journalists that they were expecting in the delegation is accompanying Dimaggio from Rome. Admit nobody can take baths. My friend. Philippos Assistant kept saying. How can I meet Marilyn Monroe's husband if I haven't taken a bath they couldn't? They couldn't eat pasta either. Because you need water to boil pasta I don't think that Italian's good biologically stop eating pasta. I think that's a biological impossibility happy and eating pasta to see my Bogo but on the other foot very heavy. Jody magic waiting Joe Dimaggio. They need some more and you know we love too much pasta but they eat more than usually because they were very happy not match. Us coming here. Not Macaroni dinner is the very same dinner. That Joe Demise. Yo himself enjoys on. Man Doesn't have look village. Tell Mom to get you a package of the new view. Tony Macaroni dinner as the baggage. Pajamas your picture. Right on the front let an effeminate in order to prepare the town for his arrival fit spent on the order of twenty thousand dollars which was nearly the entire annual budget of the city council reporter Frank Viviana. They'd spend all this money and it was not just because of their pride in this child of their own Immigrants but because he's a famous a sits along the Auto Estrada that runs between Palermo and trump any on the north coast of Sicily. At precisely the point where judge falcone had been assassinated by the mafia some months before Dimaggio scheduled arrival. Almost everyone Italy could tell you where they were when falcone was assassinated. It had an electrifying effect on people throughout Italy and in particular in Sicily Alexander Stiller author of excellent Cadavers. A history of Mafia control in Italy Giovanni Falcone was a Sicilian prosecuting magistrate Who GREW UP IN PALERMO? And who again doing Groundbreaking investigations into Sicily's Cosa Nostra. He and his colleagues conducted the most wide ranging trials of Mafia figures in Italian history. It was quite a an assassination. They had hidden I don't know how many hundred pounds of under a culvert below the Auto Estrada and the judge was coming back from Rome. And he and his motorcade Went up in flames when they passed over the culvert it. It was such an enormous explosion that destroyed nearly a kilometer of the Auto Strada and What everyone saw in the photographs of this Assassination was the exit sign off the strata which read Kaci and easily defaming me so this small village which has been of no interest in the Mafia. Because it's so poor. Had BECOME WORLD. Famous SOCIETY FELL. Kony's assassination and they saw Dimaggio's visit as a way to reverse that image. We'll be right back. The kitchen sisters present is sponsored by Sikora a nutrition company that focuses on overall wellness. Starting with what you eat. Their organic ready to eat meals are made with plant based ingredients the menu of creative chefs crafted lunches and dinners changes. Weekly and it's delivered fresh anywhere in the US along with delicious meals. Sikora also has daily wellness essentials like supplements and herbal teas to support your nutrition to boost results. Try the best-selling metabolism super powder and all natural remedy for bloating weight gain and fatigue. Right now the car is offering our listeners. Twenty percent off their first order when they go to Sikora dot com slash kitchen sisters that Sikora S. A. K. A. R. A. Dot Com slash kitchen sisters to get twenty percent off your first order. Sikora dot com slash kitchen sisters in Rome the night before Joe was to leave for easily Della Femina. Joe Of the Joe Dimaggio was given the commendatore every by the president of Italy and that essentially his knighthood and after that he wouldn't attend the Italians would call a little rough dory which simply means cold but remember he's eighty. Romania had slept in thirty six hours and so everyone was concerned. And I'm a doctor neurologist than you know there's an enormous responsibility there so I said look what you call an interest to see what he says and he came to the hotel and he said look. All you need is a good night's sleep and some respite. You cannot go to Sisley tomorrow of just not the smart thing for being your age to do. Besides Joe has a pacemaker now. This was literally the eleventh hour the night before we were leaving for so engine. Raleigh and I decided that basically we could do two things we could either just simply call and explaining and cancelled or we could do what we consider to be. The right thing I I the so we called Sicily and said Look Joe can't come and the man insistently senator said in Italian. You're crazy he said this is a town of five thousand people that have spent their entire year's budget building a stone. Piazza over the water where his father used the fish called? The Piazza Dimaggio. Every street is festooned with Italian American flags. We've got the The WHO are the bagpipers from the hills banquet was invented Italy? By the way and taken to to Britain by the Romans and and he said you must send somebody so they looked around and they said well how about you and I said me can you go. He's one of our officers. It would be most appropriate for officer of the foundation to to take this role if you will plus. Ken looked a lot. More like Joe's I did. He was scheduled to arrive at ten o'clock in the morning that winter. Easy the airport for Palermo which is off just two kilometers from the village. Everyone gathered probably four thousand five hundred of the five thousand five hundred people there. Everyone dressed in their finery although read about The fact they had well the time past ten o'clock arrived Joe Ten thirty. No one knew what was going on. Finally at eleven o'clock the mirror came out of city hall looking absolutely crest. He'd received a telephone call. Joe had taken ill the night before in Rome spit up. Some blood had trouble breezy and had been promptly put into a hospital. They specifically asked me that hard at that guy said he did not have a heart attack. This someone asked me someone. Said he had an ulcer bleeding to death. I specifically said he's not pleading cold so we caught the plane down there. My goodness I'm standing at the top of the plane looking down and I wanted to get right back on that plane and Henry. Pack to Rome. Half the town without their press photographers. All over flowers ready. We knew that ninety percent of the people the lowest were expecting right behind. Us would be walking. Joe Dimaggio little. Do they know that his replacements were walking off the plane they said to myself. How are we ever going to handle this one? Some of my Sadovy Semenya Dale Watson. Visit enter the level. They might much of research shows that there were waiting like residents nine stage. They Magin Joe Dimaggio because most people resulted effeminate. Don't really him is something. Ideal would be to the innate regardless they had provided all the school children with little American flags to wave. When you arrive in the kids are being trained with bit sad. The kids have been ruled. Trained WHEN HE ARRIVED TO CHANT. English rerun. Joe. We want Joe. We wanted show so not knowing what else to do. These sturdy. Chantel rewind Joe. We chop off. I thought I was his son and we had to tell him that I was not his son and when we got there they were fifty people with television cameras all over the world looking around wondering what they they weren't sure we get into this quaint little town and we noticed that it is dressed to the hilt. Apparently the town had taken just about their tire year's budget and prepared everything for this visit of Joe Dimaggio flags on every single house going down. The street repainted. All the boats in the harbour as we walked through the narrow street town is huge. Entourage of of more than thousand people simply following us like this very long sinuous snake. I felt so sorry for job. Not being there. They took us to the church. Parents were married. The bishop of the district came bliss and it was almost like an audience with the pope versus the D job. The House of Joe Dimaggio's parents Bishop Jason. Our SHARE IN AMERICA SHOULD EMERGE. As Roma's born here. This House no hospital. Now Clinic here margin bothered the highlight of jundallah cheap Dina. That is a tour of the village was to be the house. Where Joe Dimaggio's parents I lived after they're married and before the emigrated to Martinez California the Dimaggio family even in San Francisco meet living as fisherman and presumably without the escape route of baseball. Join Dimaggio's the stayed in Sicily as GIUSEPPI DIMAGGIO. Junior would have been a fisherman like his dad as relativization. United States the Jodi my jaw by your mic USA domain cannot eat so we find a relative of Joe Dimaggio. His father and Judy Maja father enjoyed thirty. Five years. That's a works in the as a butcher incur. Bobino doing shop when we are talking last year to prepare. When Joe was not run everything was already. Everybody was waiting him. I'm very disappointed. Because they're waiting for him to Pittsburgh named for East La de la Feminists Sister City Pittsburg California on the Piazza. They Have Bank of twenty microphones and I had. My Italian is not that good and I had memorized in Italian. I wanted to tell them that. Joe Is sick and then he was very sorry that he couldn't be there. It was one of the probably the great sorrows of his life and all of the people were saying an Italian. That's okay as long as JOE'S HEALTHY. That's all we care about five thousand of them screaming. It was the most moving moment of my entirely. They felt that they had Joe. Dimaggio there by the time. They were time in fact he got done talking. Throngs of young people come up with their baseball's asking him. He signed hundreds and hundreds of balls that day. They wanted me to sign. Joe Dimaggio's name and I said I can't do that. There's no way that I could do that on the other hand. All the kids of this town wanted a baseball. That had something to do with Joe Dimaggio so I signed these. Baseball's Ken Changli for Joe Dimaggio. I'm sure it's a unique. Baseball can Changli for Joe Dimaggio joining my Jewish. Although the mayor of selecting the Feminine Bombini Abundant. This man Kam Changli like Jodi magic become very famous hearing Is Vulgar Jody? They arranged for dinner and the problem in the town was that everyone wanted to sit with your modu. This was a dinner for about three hundred people so what they did was. They took this table and they had it meander around the room. This continuous table. That just never ended. Everyone sat at the head table feeding remainder being gone right lack. Judy Majerus here the Party Gun. Well everything's gone well. Jody modules nothing here but it was like it was year anyway. Fulsome integer the orange. Well I think it was the first time that they had the opportunity to celebrate the fact that their village had in a sense produce this great American herald the most. Sit Out it. Caleb bullets the local simplicity reports about that elaborates. Nicholson it got either. Two showed defended the words that is on an effeminate Kabashi. There are people who don't want talk with Mafia but all good things and there's good deals have to fight against the assassination of Kona oversleep after the news conference. You went to the water. A fisherman happened to be coming in and I just got that that sense of timeless history for centuries those people have come in every day and we saw the unloading their nets and the fish. And I thought this is what Joe's parents or father and grandparents did. It's obvious that's where Jodi Macho came from. And that's why he is who he is. When I say it shower making sure that we still need to go get to keep the throne still waiting for him before next year. Yeah inviting Jordan. Magic to come back to his family because they are still waiting for him. Villanova growth in the this is from Ernest. Hemingway's the old man and the sea. I would like to take the Great Dimaggio Fishing Bill. Man said they say his father was a fisherman. Maybe as poor as we talk and would understand. The great sister's father was never poor and he. The father was playing in the big leagues when he was my age. When I was your age I was before the masks on a square rigged ship that ran to Africa and I have seen lions on the beach and evening. I know you told me. Should we talk about Africa or about Baseball Baseball? And think boy said I'll be back when I have the Sardines I'll keep yours and mine together on ice and we can share them in the morning. When I come back you can tell me about the baseball. The Yankees cannot lose but I feel the Indians of Cleveland. Have faith the Yankees my son? Think of the Great Domi- Joe. What do you really need a hit so here I go. Ooh John Rudd waiting for Joe. Dimaggio was produced by the kitchen. Sisters David Nelson and Nikki Silva with sound print. Our editor was Deborah. George are sound. Engineer was Robin Weiss. The old man and the sea was read by Francis. Ford Coppola Special. Thanks to the National Baseball Library Archive in Cooperstown New York and the National Italian American Foundation. The kitchen sisters present is part of Pr X. Radio took and that work of some of the most compelling beautifully produced podcasts. Thanks for listening famous street. That's not us all. He's just a man and not a free. Joe Joe Dimaggio embiid or July. The first you know since then he's hit a good twelve. More Chilton Joe Dimaggio from coast to coast. That's all you'll hear of Joe. The one man show he's blowing. The voice had Joe Joe Dimaggio Eleven. Baseball's hall of fame. He got their blow by blow. Kids will tell their kids his name joked and Joe Dimaggio big dog. We want you on ours. Speaking whispered probably stop that Joan One. Nine Cleveland Oh good battery Dimaggio. I've got some good news. 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Moment of the Day (06/05/19)
"Morning. Pete Rose was on with Mike yesterday in studio while he was in studio. He was relying a story about Joe d I'm going to play a clip 'cause you actually talked about the clip an hour prior to me playing it. So just to set it up. This was what you were referencing the best way described Joe DiMaggio is he was a penis with a man hanging from it. Pete Rose, ladies and gentleman. So then g reacting as Mike just one of those things that you knew you just it was just I mean it was out there. But if you were in the know you know, okay, wasn't talked about now. Those things will hush hush back in the day. So was well down who was not? You know, but Demongeot I mean, he was, you know, okay, he'd like to let people know he'll let you know out of the shower, maybe can't find the towel right away. You know, he liked the he, he liked to let people know that I didn't get folks folks, he didn't get Marilyn Monroe for no reason. Okay. I didn't just stumble upon all reason. Okay. One look at that thing and marriage. I. Sweeny up a little bit. And we'll talk about Jodi and his penis. One of the weird moments of the day. But there you go moment of the day. All right. Thank you, Jerry. Appreciate that.
John DiMaggio Batman Death In The Family
"Welcome to the cave. You know I misspoke I made a mistake I give you John Dimaggio Voice Joker and the new Batman death in the family based on the graphic novel. I didn't realize that he had voiced him in Batman under the red. Hood is well. I misspoke. The voice cast was reunited. The voice cast from that Phil was reunited in death in the family. Here's John Damage. Hi John We've been in a few more than a few roundtables and. And I remember you saying you know we always talk about who would you like to voice in the DC universe you haven't and you always brought up to joke. And now you have to do. That's Cross one off your list. How does it feel? Absolutely cross off of this and then and then to get revisited. You know ten years later or so you know doing this as just been really it's been really special. Yeah, it's really something. Yeah I. Love Your take on him to it's it's. It's you contestant, but it's also original too I like that. I, appreciate that thank you. You know what's really cool is that You know. Mark Hamill who I look to as you know is the Oh. Gee. Batman. Guy Was who's been playing in the most I mean really. He he he really got a kick out of my performance. in under the Redwood as the joker and to get that kind of compliment from from him. Made me feel like, okay. I'm not I'm not in the in in I. Did a good job. I know I did it I. Know I. Well, he's if he's talking about it and saying you know. Really Great. I'm just like wow that blows my mind. You know and as I understand it, this is kind of a unique movie because the audience can decide what happens next that's. Yeah. No, it's really great. I. Actually. We've been talking about it and I think it's going to be. Considering Times that we're living in and and During. During this pandemic. The you know so much animation has been green lit, and it's one of the sections of. Of entertainment that really hasn't fight down thinking even more. So Gotten Busier I think that you know it's Projects like this. Going to be more and more in. The Kerr more I it's just really is just really something And a an and it's exciting. It's an exciting tell story when when the viewer gets the decide. It's it's really you know and and and it goes back. Also the you know the time in the eighties and they have the you know one, nine, hundred number this he you know how that out outsell. They'll deal with Jason's hot and. You know. What I mean because it's the same concept, but it's you know modern technology and I just think it's fascinating I think it's wonderful for the fans I think they'll really really get a kick out of it. Yeah it's absolutely fantastic and to incorporate the red hood in this version. But the big difference is it's an R. rating so you can do a lot more if you can do a whole hell of a lot more really kind of. I don't know the this. This is a dark story. It's dark. It's dark material and to you know to try and candy coated just simply because it's an animated filled. I don't I don't think that's a good idea. I think that you really have to. You really have to honor this this this story and you know what's going on in it and you know in. The girl we're all grownups here. We all just it's A. Seven year old kids watching this rating is and young thing is you know? This stuff they they used to say that you know our rating. That we'll be able to do you know anything like that? You know people won't watch it? No, it's this is this is this grownups it's going right directly to exactly where supposed to be going and our rating is appropriate. There's violence there's language there's you know there's adult themes. There's all sorts of things in and that's fine. You know our goal with that I don't the ratings re whatever as long as the story in is is. Is. Able be told and. But however tell you know. Yeah. Well. You know I just think doing it. This way was a great idea. If, if I have to give you the con, what voice is kind of like your voice into DC Pantheon Killer Croc, you just are amazing is. Really. Thank you. Yeah. Funny. Killing rock you know that's really funny I. I've been able to I'm doing it so much stuff not man come on now. Was Pretty Pretty. Awesome. But I mean you're talking villain. Sure. Sure Really I. Didn't take shark to King. Shark. was on you know. Shows, you know weird's kind of things. But But yeah, I was talking about it talking about disease I think. Jerry. told me one trend like. Over fifty overseas wishes in the DC universe, which is pretty crazy. and I didn't even know that so. He's only that it was like. A really. Or. Over. Here. but yeah, it's it's really something but you know I. I had a blast doing doing these characters DC. It's you know listen joker Aquaman, I'll take it. Yeah. Honorable Mentions wanting to. Oh. Yeah. That's right. Things Pretty. Yeah. Yeah. More DC entertainment on decays stay tuned. Back with more DC animation and live action conversations on the case. So. To come back after, to Mr j again after all this time, how did that feel? Was it easy? Was it easy to get back into or do you have to kind of? Know, it was easy listening. Once you've already set the template you know getting back through it is is that's that's easy. Just the getting into it as easy getting back to it as far as being able to do the role again, that's the hard work you know. But but you know, but it was It's really something when something comes back to you. After a long period, I've been very fortunate in my career I've done projects that have. Risen from the dead like a Phoenix and come back and you know this is this she jarama. All all sorts of different stops has come back. I mean I've been in a bunch of different then tens you know all all. About so I just been very fortunate. I consider myself. Lucky enough to. Get to come back and play and you know get into it. That's all they're all descriptors, all there and what they wanted to do all there. So you just get it usually do it and get it done. Yeah. As far as the whole Kobe experience, are you like recording some home for projects or? Have, been, during this time I've been recording home I've also I've been sporting at studios that are flower, very strict covid nineteen guidelines you know or an city of Los Angeles County Los Angeles Shag crews You know studio through you know lot approved. There's a there's a lot of a lot of stuff whereas you know I've had to hesitate chests you know to take swabs and stuff for for going into certain killer studios and that's totally fine but yeah, I mean I've been working. Working here, working and working in studios so Yeah and it's. It's all right. I mean the the equipment I have in my house I don't have you know a studio but I, have you know a a a good enough own and a good enough of. System of buffers and place to get the right kind of sound that's headed the bowl and and good enough urge to be recorded and used for on air purchases and also saw good. It's. It's it's been. All right. I've been very fortunate. So. Talk about your Batman in this particular. This particular reuss. the the. The actors plays. Batman Bruce Spring with how He's he's so good Firstly, what was I watching the other day that I vs Coma God spruce washing your? I'm not here the movie, the Dylan Movie. Yeah. There's actors play Dylan he's he's totally in plays A. BBC interviewer absolutely brilliant and it's just it just and then he also plays another Turkey like. Civil. War Type Guy and it's just. As. Really something. You get to play with these wonderful actors. You know you get to do these east. These great. Projects and and you know it's just it's just wonderful but at. The actors you know. Did. Did you know under the? Red? Good. Came back and really good stuff and it's been. It's been really cool. And really. And to take it to do as an R. rated and the feed and there is, you can do so much more in you. You know it's True. To tell the story correctly that's it. You know I I he killing joke grow cap mode and ever since that they've been able to do a couple of these now. It looks like a whole new market or Not Yeah no I I absolutely is exciting and you know it's it's it's great. You know listen if you can. I mean, if you can do this, do stories that way if you can create those stories and thorough In pull them off like they did with this particular project. Any disguise limit. Is there a voice that you just absolutely loved doing that you love coming back to? Well I would love to do tendering is. I love. To be able to get the chance to vendor again, will would be. Really. Really Awesome. But you know that's that's us. Until then I'll take this Janet you know what I mean but what what but. Listen anytime you get to come out each to played. Dr. Dragon again, that would be a trip like. All that stuff the Scotsman you know and this here and there, and everywhere, a lot of things have come back to life. So I've been really fortunate for as as concerned. You know much more fortunate than others. I think just you know it's really cool and and you know. This is this is something I. Think the fans will just completely love. It will eat. They will eat this up. Oh, that sounds great. Now it's I'm really happy for you man and. Commander again and I you know what I saw and I go oh, that's a joker. All right. Looking forward to finally, getting back to a con, we can sit around those tables again, I'm telling you. It's been a weird. Yeah. Believe me. I know. All right. Here's an ice look for Batman death in the family. I mean, this is the way to do it these days you get the Combo Pack I've been saying that for years and then you can download the digital version, put it on your laptop or your phone if you have the memory of course and you can watch it on the go, which is great as well as watching it at home on your big screen. That's what I'm going. For the cave. This is Tony Tomato. Thanks Gary till next time this is bad man and you're listening to. Sifi talk.
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EP125: Joseph DiMaggio Live Your Life and Intentions to Mastering Your Craft?
"This is held to Qatar in hairdressing industry poker show with Dumb Lane episode number one hundred and twenty-five going to have to cut it in the head Jesse Industry podcast. This show you that gives you the insights and information to take thank you to the next level as your host dumb. Welcome back to health. Cut in a hairdressing industry poker show. My Name's Dumblane and you are listening to the. UK's number one rated and original show for the hat. I'm Barbara and industry nephew on new to the show. This is the podcast gives you the insights. Inspirations and information to help you hairdressing gene amp harboring careers to the next level. And we do that by interviewing some of the biggest names newest names most exciting names from across the hair and Barbara in industry. And we bring you these every Monday morning nephew attuned. In in last week you would have heard our interview with Kai woosen loosen live from the social which was also on our youtube channel the Hash show and on that day wheels had the delight to interview. One of America's leading session editorial has honest Joseph Dementia and we don't get many American guests and we he done that again in the social which was filmed for the hair. Show so really excited that you can also watch this podcast interview so on the the podcast today. Becoming a hamster with Josie Dimaggio. And if you like what you hear make sure to subscribe to get new episodes every week. And if you're listening signing on apple podcasts. Please do leave us a writing kind of review this week on how to cut it. Are you willing to relocate. Are you willing to to dedicate two or three years of your life sacrificing everything just to make this work what people see on social media or wherever were they seen whatever they see about aditorial status. It's not all liquids Glam so we have all of this and more in today's how to cut it podcast because we sat sat down to have a conversation with Joseph Dimaggio who is a grand mal. Sta in the industry. And that's what we spoke about how account become a monster of your craft wont does it take now. You hearing this interview. How Joseph has really embraced Japanese culture and has been a major influence on him and that Skopje saint that may really resonate with you too but he has really calmed down a great right name in the industry as a leading editorial session hairstylist? And on the back of that he also has created Shokhin one click education and this is all around session. starlets so we're going to learn about that we're GONNA learn about his journey into the headdress in an no so his background and and at the end it does get quantum ocean all right was latter part so do stick around for this whole interview if you were really were delighted and honored when we knew we had the chance to sit down in the social and interview Joseph now as you will know for last week's episode there's just mentioned just moments ago that we did film this all live. Fool the hash show so if you would like to see this in the flesh than we have on on all youtube channel the hair show all links in the show notes for you so just after the show. Just go to the show notes and you'll be out to get a direct link fruit today. So let's get into this episode with the Delightful Inspirational Joseph Dimaggio so we have got just dropped into to the social. which is literally met and I was busy when Kai set? The we've got this legend coming onto the now. If you can't see we have Joseph Joseph Dimaggio one of the world's greatest should starless in the chair. So Joseph Welcome to the health. Thank you so much. It's an honor definitely not it'd be here so we don't get huge amounts of US guests come onto our show yet and we've had giraffes capacity on from harebrained. Dow Getting Yourself. Why are you doing well you hear? Hey what's going on Yeah just in town for an event and also meet some friends. Mikhail who's been an amazing Social media friend wanted to meet up with him so say I'm in town. You know you WANNA hang out on Tuesday. And he's like I'm doing this cast podcast. Would you WanNa do it and I said absolutely I mean it's been a big a big fan. What listen to a bunch of them and so it's truly an honor? Thank you so much thank you. I mean this is so what's so good about our industry now. Isn't it totally. Yeah you can just jump on on social media and made up and hang out. So let's Today Really Joseph. I WANNA learn about you. I want our listeners and view. Because we're here on the Hash to which is proper exciting for us off. So show pressure about you as a session stylist so I just give us is an overview to who you are so they can understand who we're talking to. I mean yeah I mean I just the hairstyle anyone else love making people feel good in helping people grow in whatever way I can. That's kind of where I started. I went the school for engineering before it did really. Yeah so I went to school for about two and a half years in New York for that computer and Electrical Engineering minored minored in chemical engineering. So it was quite a lot of education quote extreme different. You know the feds say and people will probably ask that question action over time. You know why what hairdresser what what grabbed you. And what took you off in that direction. So there's this little story I kinda tell upkeeping shortest lease. We got all the time of the woman. I don't worry about it. I was going to school for Engineering and top. Doing really well strays really book smart. That way I was good at it but I didn't see like a passionate future about. If that makes sense you know and I was. I love music my whole life. I was was really into music and playing drums most of my life so when I was one day I was in class and I walked summit professor walk in and he was a mess just his hair was all over and just as coffee and he just looked tired. And I'm like but he's up in my future you know kind of I didn't really know at the time how much technology would blow up and I would probably find something to do with in as well as out as well as I was doing in school. I just just wasn't excited. You know all these other. There's a whole world out there so I left school now. My parents are very happy about that. Not at all. But that's something that you know. You have to go through when you when you believe in something else is right for you so you set. That same wasn't Roy. Hairdressing obviously was and well no not yet hadn't known about guessing yet Jihad and even no no no no so. I left school in shortly after I went on tour with my band was in a hardcore band for many years. It's just in the music scene and then also tore managed in drum tech for other bigger band and four. I was on warped tour with some friends. which is a big vans warped tour? It's big music. Music Festival travels all around North America and in that kind of timeframe I started cutting my own hair as you. Do you know when you're in that kind of seen doing tons of block color. And I didn't know it was called black color time. Just bleaching undying it with manic panic or whatever and I would do that to the other guys in my band and the band's on we're on tour with and we were in Vancouver making our way up the coast West Coast and our van got broken into and they stole almost everything not not a equipment and stuff but all of my personal stuff money. I don't know why wasn't advantages was and the only thing I had with me as my scissors. So it's set up every day after that kind of necessity just to make a few bucks to eat at the tables like inbetween everything now eh crowds of people watching me in lining up. I was like what the hell you know. These kids paid sixty sixty five dollars for a ticket their favorite bands and they're waiting an hour for me to cut the hair. I have no no idea what I'm feeling totally mental. I'm cutting the wrong finger. I have no training at all with tweezers scissors from CVS Komo Cape no water bottle like run to the black in it. Yeah totally. Just bonsai tree shaping their hair. Yeah Eh it was fun. It was fun I love the. I don't even know what I'm doing. This is so fun you know. These people are loving it. They're paying me way more money than I even ask for so I was like holy cow. This is great. You know. And we were in South Dakota which for those of you in the middle of nowhere. I don't know if you quivalent here in the UK where we've got got a few of those say because no no offense anyone in the middle of nowhere side cut this. She must've been fourteen fifteen year old girl bill and again we're in the middle of field just tons of band merch table set up in stages run to the slip and slide guy get your hair wet come back or credit and go to the wherever look take a look. She comes back and she's bawling her eyes out crying and I'm like Oh no you know botch this. Yeah oh I haven't had this experience. And she comes over and she gives me the biggest hug ever and I'm like what is going on. She's like thank you so much which I love it and I feel like myself for the first time and I was like wow like. You're right yeah. I was like what that moment. I'll never I forget that. Obviously it's changed my whole course of my life and I was like. Wow you know what what did happen. Now we're just having fun just playing around this. This is a pair of our industry. Is that human connection that you can get from some experience like that and it was just this course. I'd happy that I did to find into just make a little extra cash to eat. You know and then I was like wow imagine if I actually go to school and learn this because I love learning loved Education Asiana just didn't I wanted to do something I was passionate about and I knew that you know engineering at the time wasn't where my heart was that so Living in California then I moved out to California. Couch crashed on some friends for a little bit. You know I was doing graphic design as well. That was kind of how is making money doing T. shirts in March web design for band. Excuse me and then I was like okay. I'm not really. I don't have any support system over here. You you know to kind of get to the next level. School was really expensive and the hours. It was about thinking California for school yet to go twenty one or twenty six hundred something like that which is equivalent to almost roughly two years. So I'm like wow you know. Take care of myself fulltime and so I moved back home and I told my family that I wanted to go to high school and they were like whatever you WanNa do. We don't care this as long as we go back. That's probably something where Joe's it's going to be going here. It is love the engineering. Where's he wanted to go? Yeah hadn't talked to my father for about two years to be honest. You know because of that but I've been straight edge. My whole life never drank a drop of alcohol alcohol or drugs not not into that at all so it was like yeah it was just about the role not the sex and drugs and so you know I told my dad. I'm like listen to my junkie anything bad or thrown throwing my life down the tube by just going after what my heart wants so we finally started talking again so I went to school. I was working as well as a locksmith. Just random things. Yeah laverdure engineering part with taking stuff apart and fixing it putting it back. I was really good with my hands and finger dexterity playing video games as well growing up so I just you know so then I went to. I applied for the Evade Institute in New York City and took a little test to get again and they loved it. And you weren't GonNa go to Sullom route then well no in the. US You have to go to school. So that's how it was for our listeners. Yes sorry might not be aware of with how that was so when you say you have to go to school. That's effectively for us in the UK. Going to college and you go full time at school. Yeah yeah they have part time when you go at night it takes a little longer and each state in the United States has different requirements to get cosmetology license. Does that main engines is sorry from Sony ignorant about this and I don't mean to but does that mean you go you don't have to do the apprenticeship in by you know being a trainee in a in a salon for two years you literally go to school. Learn the craft of hairdressing Barbara. And then you can leave go salaam but that doesn't mean that you've been set up for success. That's the goal of the conversation was is that then. Yeah it's kind of this thing where I don't know so they were saying. Each state has different requirements. So New York City or New York state. Sorry for example is a thousand hours. which if you go full? Time is roughly about nine to ten months. And what's the training like what you get within these schools. Yeah so if you go to different schools. Obviously there's like the more cost effective school or I went to Veda which is more prestigious. School Costs a lot of money. I mean compared to university now. But it's still. It's still a bit like I said I still worked part time as the locksmith Semitic kind of get by. They also financial aid. So you can get money for hairdressing and sort of senior. You're a cool guy urban. You've got creative. I you've got that vibe. was there an aspect of the industry that you start to identify you. Think look this is where I want to take this this this industry. This is where I want to go. Now I'll tell you the story so it was more of Back in the day they had this show on. MTV called making the video. I don't know if you're okay. So Jaylo one for Jaylo Jennifer Lopez shooting a music video and they had a little scene of getting her hair done and the guy doing your hair two full sleeves of tattoos or whatever and I was like wow if that guy has tattoos because that's what I was into the culture. I'm fully covered from my neck all the way that my my ankles Is that successful doing Jen Jennifer Lopez's hair he's on that level and he has tattoos and he he looks like a cool guy turned out to be obey rest. Shut up so I was like. Wow then I can do this. You can listen to music. You can dress however you wanted. It was more of the lifestyle that was attractive to me. That attracted me doing hair. More than I had really no idea that this is a guy that can be tricky as well connor. Because I think again I know. Sometimes it's FELLAS. They can be the notion that may be you know can be quite feminine sort of job. It doesn't seem all my God. I had talion family. You're getting Cillian to be more specific. So they're really roughing. It wasn't a struggle for you because we talk about this openly about is. It's not that that is an issue you know but it is sometimes as guys can be a little bit tricky for families to get their head around my. My parents were really cool and supportive. My Dad's a a kind of world renowned Shafi's pretty pretty up there in master chef world. so He's in the creative artistic and my stepmother was working in a salon growing up as well doing Nelson make up into that kind of fashion industry so she was incredibly supportive. Supportive the rest of my family. They're supportive they love me but just joking around. They would joke around. Allow with me like what are you doing. I'm like dude. I'm a straight guy surrounded by beautiful beautiful girls all day just to kind of rebuttal. There wasn't my intention. That wasn't my goal but yeah they would they would give me a hard time a lot. My cousins and stuff like that and and say certain things and I just brush it off because I know that this joking and now they couldn't be more proud of me. They Brag about me all the time. And you guys I. I don't know if we're allowed to say that image and I get that because again as a hairdresser myself and I know when I was just saying that was there any homophobic because with very proud of our industry attracts book. It can't be a little bit tricky and it can put some guys off. I believe going in the industry but you said you liked the the vibe of it the the edge and I think where I'm getting to is kind of you as a hairdresser now because you are a leading in session stylist. Have you always been in. That has been a journey to become the session style muster session style as you all know I had to be honest with you even though that was kind of my first thing that gave me A. You know a push into the industry. I didn't even know that existed. And I'm just it's been one hundred percent real. I had no idea that existed as naive as that sounds I. I went to school. And the academy the Advance Academy for evader radio connected to my cosmetology school just coincidentally so I got to you know got introduced to Gerard and another gentleman named Randy. Taylor Miller coors harebrained shouts and they were great mentors to me. You know not so much technically because I didn't train with them so much you you know educationally that way but more of just like especially randy guiding me into director action to not so. What was that Joe Maniac? Yeah kind of very common and it can be very very linked to the fashion world attracts people. Being put on a elevator platform. It can happen and I was just like looking up all these other people in the industry like I'm want to learn from you like I'm generally here. I'm not trying to take your job. I'm not trying to do whatever I I just think you're great and why are you being so difficult you know. It's not so did you. Then hop into the salon. Did you become a team so I went straight away. I had an instructor who who saw bright future for me in intra. Nick referred me to one of her colleagues wanted to Salon Um and I kind of went to go interview for that in jumped straight away and it was fantastic. It was In the West village in New York City so it was very cool suit suited uvarov. Yeah lots of celebrities. Were coming in but it was low key boutiques along so they have a training program in. That's going back to the education in that you receive in cosmetology school. It's really just more to pass this. What we call a State Board test to get your certification and license and it's basically So that no one can sue. You like you're safe so that was a good. Yes so you take this written tests. I take a practical and it was kind of outdated. You're doing like roller sets. It's and brush out all these things that you don't really do anymore. But I loved it because I was like. Oh this is I want to learn everything about it if I learned something I want to be. There's one word that you can describe me as thorough like everything I do. I'm very very thorough. Will you natural part of my ocd growing up and just actually it doing that. Hair and dressing her again for guys may be weren't growing up playing with dolls not at US address challenge concert. Yes absolutely but I I love that challenge like I love the engineering just like okay this. If I do this then this happens and then this that that's exactly exactly where my engineering mind came doing everything with intention which is based you know the kind of the core of our of our education that we offer so so you clinic on Sunday Donald and we're going to now move on the cell on your in their groove and particularly in this interview as I said I want to. Listeners is to understand the world where you are kind of now so we can't take some beautiful in this journey so you're in the salon wants sun life for you as a hairdresser. It was great. I mean I really loved it. I loved my clientele that I built left the city after a little under a year. I just felt like wasn't getting from it what I wanted even though I switched. What did you want to get just? I don't know I guess I was just really hungry and I needed just wanted more mentor. Ship in that way to train him was really important. Person didn't until you JOE's mastering any craft craft is really important to me to pay homage to the people who came before us and the people who dedicated their lives is to taking it evolving from where it started something. That's just been in my in my DNA since I was born. My father raised me with the mentality of your best isn't always good enough. People rest on that. I do my best and not. Oh God yeah that's there will be content for me but it was hard for what for you to have that part of your psyche because you almost never settle on world where you're at. Yeah my brothers the opposite so that's kind of a struggle for me with him. I mean is fantastic. And he's so brilliant but he so content with where he's at and he's happy and at some point I'm jealous. FM Like I am now I am very much happy now. Different story story because I was. We're still trying to understand why certain things whatever but yet my father raised me with whatever it takes mentality if you truly want to be successful and guarantee that success within legal reason we like to say then you do whatever it takes and that is been basically my whole what a tube what success to you know. Just whatever I mean. It applies to anything in life. Not just here. Any aspect of your life is so was this ahead. What success to you in the industry? Well I thought it meant something for for a long time you know for me. You know shooting for Vogue Italia or certain things like that and but then I was realizing I would accomplish. These things wasn't equaling happiness. which is a very strange prior? You can see and I'm sorry from asking why was making you really the fulfilled. Happy that you wanted wanted. I guess it was something that I thought everyone else expected of me to some degree you not. I don't even know if they directly expected did it. But they're like yeah. That guy does well and he's going to go. Far just been told that most of my sentence day one so when I accomplished it was it. Just wasn't something that it was fleeting and when you've got it this is always the thing. Isn't it whether you win an award or you. Whatever that goal may be and sometimes you chief those things and then you kind of think? He's yeah but what's next is is everything and I get. That myself is Erin. We waited for Saint Magic. She happened and I don't know what that some people may say. Maybe money may be fine. It may be. I don't know but we then push ourselves on but that's obviously good a few Joseph because that enables you keep yeah I have put my finger on as why it didn't is because it was kind of more of a solo thing it was just me. I mean when you're doing a shoot or you're in a team but it's not the same as if your backstage jeff fashion and when we say shoot against you so listeners viewers understand. You're talking about an editorial is working on magazine. I get magazines campaigns. Look Books Yeah I mean. That's that is the sexy part of hairdressing too a lot of people. Yes yes I also had a great friend Benjamin Mahaffey. He's British Hairdresser Dresser move away and opened up a beautiful salon doing quite well and he also helped mentor me and he was quite a big session artist in here and over there and you know I was looking at him and how much he's accomplished and then you went back into the salon you know. And he's he's like I'm so much happier now they come to me. Cut the hair and make the money so isn't keen again so soon. I'm not this is good. This is as I'm I'm there in zone. Okay AH obviously you've been in the salon. You've got the session world so as a hairdresser. How are you a full time session stylists would you then have guest spots in places like here at the social work? Well I've the last I would say six or seven years. I've really focused on education and helping others grow. Because I've done what I've done already in the short amount of time and like I said it was fantastic. It was something that was young and hungry for. I think the editorial session world is really romanticized. A little bit and they don't really see. That's I'm so glad you said that because I've had I had the pleasure Annika phony. Come onto the show until it's about session. This always comes up so when you say is romanticized about a little bit. Why is it romanticized and watching people were visualizing so I think what is what attracts Salon stylists or just in general is is is the the taste level? I think that's coming from this session. Editorial world is the high tastes level the creativity to some degree. It's just beautiful. Beautiful imagery is it's very inspiring. It's something you can connect. What is the takes level? It just depends because I kind of know that and again I always think cabal listeners. Some of what does Joseph mean by taste level. I think what people define is something. That's well done editorial head there is served. Look there's so much more than just a look when we when we do our editorial trainings or or or education which teaching about balance and things that not everyone gets naturally. They don't have that naturally so we have to point it out and break it down step by step system. Okay look at the balance look at delighting lighting. Look at their face this so what you do with your education. Yeah I can older experience. You've got from editorial shoots session work and it's bringing that into education. Yeah and also working with other collaborating with other amazing artists from makeup from photographers from wardrobe stylist. Not just saying the hairdresser and it's all about the head not at all. It's absolutely a team effort. So if if people come into you and because obviously we kind word that you've went has how long you says she world you've done you ready to issues. You travel round world words on fashion weeks and you and I'll bring in into an allege -cation is as a key part of. Yeah I feel like I'm just speaking from my experience in my opinion so it's not a fact or whatever but I feel like there's certain areas and industry you have like film and theatre and TV agree. You have the fashion session editorial world and then you have the salon world you have kind of platform as well with more brand stuff and trade shows and I feel like what dictates. Everything is the fashion fashion trends right. And that's what clients are coming in to bring pictures of celebrities or from fashion magazines. Never they're very rarely bringing in pictures from a collection from you know a brand or someone very cliche just very rarely that that do do. I've seen that happen again in my experience variant so and I've also experienced in my in. My personal experiences is a lot of the session. Editorial stylists want nothing to really do with salon industry. You have to tell me a bit more on why you believe that. I just feel like from what I've seen the not the EGO so much. Want to see that but just it just kind of below them to some degree is what I feel. I don't know if that's true and that's really interesting to you. said that Joseph because because I have heard that said in a previous interview that there is definitely a divide between sessions. Silas don't almost see themselves as hairdressers. Yeah more artist or whatever but I don't know I don't feel that way about me at all because I started in the salon and so anyone surely each and every one that those has had to have that background of Ceylon life before getting into the world a session I mean I would. I would think so. I think it's more important. So people have hit me up and said I WANNA jump into that and I'm like you could but I would recommend highly carting people do that so you signed up people if there is a hairdresser who's been working here by Betty and she's just thinking you know what I'm I'm just so drawn to the world a session and realistically can that happen for them realistically depends on many things. I have this conversation almost so when you say depends okay. What does it depend on what? They're willing to do brilliant. So you're gonNa tell me then. What what are they got to do to get to that okay so again? This is good. I have this conversation almost daily or weekly with with young one or even not young people who've been in the she forever and they've been behind the chair for ten fifteen years they just want to do something different. They're just board so they hit me up and they're like. Hey Joseph how do I get into that and they go well first of all you have to understand something which I feel a lot of salons house. I don't understand is session. Editorial work as a craft is a completely completely different skill. Set than working behind the if. You're a brilliant behind the chair Salon stylist or collar. Whatever it does not equate to being session? It's completely different. Things how we blow dry dry how we use product. How we we do everything we see everything as well but I feel the opposite is true? If you're a great session artists and you learn some salon skills that will help you incredibly and I always kind of go back to doing fashion week right. Usually on average average we have about thirty to forty models right at a time when we have about two or three hours to do them trestle sharing that again again keep in mind sharing that with makeup wardrobe rehearsal and everything else and if they come late or from another show we don't have shampoo bottles. We can't start from fresh. Yeah because you are working tight conditions type positions and we've worked in closets before and I'm like you know it's a design fashion houses working for them. I guess the always easy no not at all and sometimes we do a whole completely hair test. Okay we love this thank you and then the day of the show that like all we completely want to do something different and nothing against us they just had a different vision so I have to change the look and train my team in five seconds to do something completely different than we see the adaptable super adaptable. But like I was saying if those forty fifty models whatever thirty fifty has to be perfectly flawless on the runway and they all have different head textures so on average one of our biggest things that we teach in our education worldwide. It is our blow drying technique. And I've connected that with a ton of research that I've done overseas in Asia with microscopes and just tons of things to create this whole education location platform around the cuticle and sealing it the right way and the relationship between heat styling tools and actual hair and things. I think you should learn. Learn Day one in school and no one ever knows so the average blow dry when I ask is somewhere if you're faster around twenty five minutes but all the way to forty five minutes and with our blow dried technique and system. You're done completely start to finish perfect sealed cuticle Polish within eight to ten minutes when you master the technique because that's the world we're coming from so in average if you have if you're usually using taking thirty thirty minutes to do a nice blowout. We have to do that in ten minutes. We don't have thirty minutes per girl backstage. So that's the difference. You know this is what you are really Shannon and with others within your because I feel like I'm bridging that gap a little bit between editorial and not having anything to do with attitude or ego or any of that stuff and you're saying you you guys want to learn this. It can definitely help when they come. And you will be very honest to a lot of those that come on your education and you will say look doc very few of you are ever going to have that real get and have that real what it takes to become a leading session editorial hairstyle yes. It's a lot you have to move to a market. That has that first of all the other part satin. What you mean by that so moving to New York or London or Milan parents convenient outback? Or you're GONNA have realistic. You know. And that's the first thing I said. Are you willing to relocate. Are you willing to dedicate two or three of your lot years years of your life sacrificing everything just to make this work what people see on social media or wherever they seen whatever they see about editorial Oh stylus it's not all the GLITZ and Glam you know we on planes every single week twice a week but people think that's monoplane like yeah I'm excited Blah Blah Blah but. No one likes travelling like no one likes to travel part. No one likes waiting in line. Security and getting probed and by you you know and packing bags and doing this and sweating running around a madman taking taxis. You like arriving to the destination you know no and you like him. Would you stay those destinations. Furniture's sometimes you just there for the day and then you're like I don't even get to enjoy this or to the point where you got like do your job and then exactly and then back out and the agencies calling you have another job you gotTA agency doing here. Yeah well nowadays it depends I kind of feel torn about this conversation but back in the day there wasn't social media. No one knew how to get a hold of you So they created agencies for makeup artist. Have Your own page on on their books. Yeah you'd have your portfolio that they with the we need agents. Now I feel at the high end. Yes you do need representation because a it's too much work to do by yourself be they'll do it better than you. Well what would I do for you. Just get those those connections those great gigs and also negotiate proper rates for you. That make sure you're taking care of so to become so obviously described ability. You've got to work hard. You've got to be adaptable. You've got to work for free as well for like the first two or three years. It's almost so I'm saying I'm not going to become rich by becoming a session style. I mean you can. You can be on the long-term not rich. I don't know but you can be sucks tax series money but it's very unlikely. Does that affect you. Guys the season pros because you'll receive in pro session starless and you're GONNA have have newbies coming up food rank sigler. Say I'll do this job. Free Hillary is unissued. No I think more and more as the years passed the budget for companies or budgets for projects have become less and less or just cut in half and from what I hear in the ninety s and early two thousand was amazing raising money flow to the first class. You get flown around data room too late ten years younger Eh. From what I hear from you know from mentors another seasoned seniors. But yeah it's it's it's not not and also working in the salon. You have cash every day from tips. You're getting paid every week or every other week. This you're waiting thirty. Forty five sixty sixty days to get paid for a job. And that's GonNa come through the agent. I guess they have to. Do you have an agency. Yeah and that's as well as their the one to make sure you get paid on time or in a timely manner if if you're on your own then but again nowadays technology it's much easier to just pay pal someone or send electric payments so you know. It was a different way so again for listeners. And I'm getting an you know there. There aren't going to be lots of are going to be listening to be thinking. Yeah I would love to get into into. This is not always hard work and this is just one of concentrate a little bit now on your education coming in tomorrow and pronounced. Correct me if I've got this wrong. So it's shocking. Shokhin Shokhin in clinic yet. Shock Issue Education Company will is this. It's IT'S A. I mean. It started out as organic kind of thing with me and my team members and then it grew into something where we made it a little bit more official and now it's something. So what is it. Describe it to Schulkin and click is just the name of our of our mindset really shokhin in is the Japanese word for master of their craft and those but the meaning is a little different than just I guess the Ingo that Anglo Saxon or English version and what we would say a master of their craft. is they have more intention behind mastering the craft. which to me is? That's my number one word is intended. Then that's view all the way from your coulter yesterday across. Yeah exactly so I'm like. This is a brilliant word and I love it but I love the meaning because a shokhin into someone who masters their craft for the better of their community to help and provide a better quality to their community. It's not a selfish journey. And and I really love that and hit me really hard so I just just attached to that really right away and it came from me watching the documentary. Gio Dreams of Sushi. I don't know if you've seen how it's really you have to watch it. I have everyone I recommend the heads up. Well it's about at this guy. He's in his. I don't know if he's still alive. I think he is but he's got to be in his late eighties now early nineties and he's a Michelin Star Sushi restaurant restaurant in the Ginza station in a subway station. Here's a Sushi. Restaurant said like three months waiting period and is truly live is life to just get better every day and his family kind of come second and it's a really extreme version of what he does Lincoln. This yes surgeon's really and it's so sad because I'm deathly deathly allergic to seafood and shellfish. So I couldn't even go. I mean I guess I could meet him but I he's still kind of there. He has two sons one in two locations and one son took over but for example. The first thing that you learn learn as one of his apprentices is how to squeeze a hot towel and you have to build the resistance in your hands to take that level of heat if that makes sense right and then you start and then you go to the next thing where you have to make this egg this special AAC dish and you. You can't do anything out except for that for years or whatever you know. And I think his son is now. I want to say in his forties or fifties and he was an apprentice for like thirty years. So I asked my stomach. I'm like who who else would apprentice for thirty years doing something right so inspirational and motivating to Liam like. That's master. Yeah that's really dedicated in so that's how we started our training like for me. We start like my personal assistant. I into apprentices. They have to do something two thousand times before I teach them anything else. So it's up to them. How yes my goal is for them to? It'd be better than me one day and I know what it took for me to get here so I know what it would take for them to surpass me and if they're willing to do that work then then now they're they're here it is. I'll guide you along the journey. Do you think people have that not anymore. It's very I mean. I'm not saying no but I haven't eighteen. It's been very hard normally have a fulltime apprentice for all the time. But I've for the last year and I don't have one I. I haven't had one for a year and a half because if anybody's listening states the right now. So what would our the prentice gift for being your apprentice working alongside a most. It's it's it's for me. I always like to do a win win situation. So it's not about what they would get. You help me with the things. I need along in my life at the time that you would apprentice me and in return I will teach you and guide you to wherever you WANNA go and be with your goals. And that's just fine that that staggering that you cannot find an is it because your standards are so high that it's hard to get somebody who's going to really be. It's not easy so I think from what I find you know recently in these younger generations and again I don't mean to offend anyone but just in my experience I haven't seen seen or found anyone who's willing to do that they all because everything comes so instantly now with technology information everything else. They just want everything to happen overnight. You know what I mean. No one's going to go back to the old school. Learn the foundations of like I need to blow dry this two thousand times so that I can just be at least good good at it. I love this identity toolkits fantastic hairdresser and I referenced Bruce Minefield he talks about becoming an expert takes ten thousand thousand and was to become an expert. And you're you're kind of repeat mcquaid in that in about two thousand times and again it's up to them. I had one kid that was amazing and is incredible a super young and you wanted to explore some other things in his life but he would sit up we would. We would shoot all day or teach all day or whatever. And then he'd be up the news room with the Mannequin stand and the head until two three in the morning and then wake up again. Six thirty seven o'clock and I'm like you know so I just wanted to teach teach him more and teach them the little details at sometimes your cell phone now. What what's what? What's your next development in your own personal personal journey so just joined a company Brenda? Villa called professional by former as their international styling and education director and my counterpart is Eduardo Poodle. Extremely guest to the show extremely stuff to be working with he's so inspirational so motivating just helped me a lot. Also also you know to me I would definitely call my mentor is. He's got so much experience and he definitely pushes me to do even more. What's going to be doing? What's his role GonNa vote for? Are you creating now an international education team which is what I really love to do. More my heart set and here is where can people who do want to learn that kind of stuff or learn that type of level you know what I mean. Some people just WANNA learn quick. Just tell me what it is real quick and then figured out out on my own and I'm like it's hard to take those people seriously you know 'cause they're just trying to skim through things and I have this kind of saying that I've learned over the years is amass there will recognize other masters and does it just because you got to. A certain point doesn't mean that you've earned that or you've actually actually genuinely mastered it. You know 'cause a master takes a long road not the shortcuts and that way when you take a long road you learn all the reasons why not ought versus. Why or how more? So we focus more on our education on why we do it and why we're doing this and that versus just how to do something which I feel a lot of educators quote unquote saved. You know just do it. Because because I'm so and so I don't know why you know and I feel like so. Many of us in the industry have become sheep in some of those regards where they just do. Because that's what everyone else has been doing for forever. You know we had a previous interview with Cayenne in this spot and we exactly about you know so. Many people follow follow. Follow follow up. Find Your own uniqueness Bert. You're going to have to go on a hell of a journey to get that whatever that may be and I think what Oh you just said but isn't that why isn't it. Our mission in our lives to keep to keep learning to keep sharing to get development. Yeah I believe so becoming certain people the first thing we say in every class teaches if you want to grow you have to be uncomfortable. That is the only time you can you share some wonderful. Stir our thank you. Yeah we stuff like that. It's not just tear technique that we teach we teach about you know because it's just got more important. Isn't it in that whole kind of self development and yes Mazda crap you but I think what keeps coming over from you and that's what I really wanted to get from you today. Joseph which is being gene amazing is just the realities of becoming a master a master and it doesn't look if you're not interested in being session starless. It doesn't matter whatever. That master is Komo inspirational. Is that yeah just. I just feel like if you're not willing to put in everything then why do it at all you know. That's kind of my my whole model Japanese coach coach not to get too weird. I saw a healer spiritual healing and live with them for ten and a half hours. He told me all about my the past lives and I used to be a seal. And that's why I interviewed that spiritual. Yeah it was. It was incredible incredibly enlightening incredibly a Affirm after meeting that I'm doing the right thing on the right path. My Karma is good and in why I am. Ym In this lifetime time. Because I think that is a really important and I get again with what you're sharing with me because I resonate with that. Sometimes we go in our lives where we I think we wonder. Why are we here for? What is reason what is our purpose and I think so? Many people are struggling with that and and I think it is about really understanding who you are and what you feel your direction is. I feel like the way I was raised going back to that is you couldn't fake anything thing in my in my culture like in New York growing up the kids are really rough and they're brutal so if you had to fake anything or front we call it. They he would call you out in point five seconds. It'd be like Nah Dude like that's not enough. You know so you couldn't you had to earn everything and I think that that's not there anymore. especially with social media in that has disappeared. Yeah I get the attractive part part of just getting to there right away much sooner so you get ahead of everyone but it's you haven't earned it and for me that's kind of going back to the whole thing of at the end of my life life. I WANNA be like I've earned it and I know that for me for me. I know that I've earned every step in everything that I've accomplished I've earned. I didn't step on anyone's toes rose. I didn't try to take shortcuts because I want the respect of my peers and my mentors my masters. I want them to be like this. You know he'd actually did something with what I gave him versus He he blew it or you know he didn't take it seriously or he didn't respect it and for me me respect honored discipline dedication all those words insurance you can be. You can be passionate but you have to have all those other things you know what I mean and in in it's really detest of person when when it gets hard you know it's easy to blow up on social media you put in the work but you know it's not easy to sit there every night or every day and just practice braiding I biggest takeaway tip for any of our listeners. And I'll save you again because as we are on the hair show YouTube channel beautiful woyzeck the one takeaway in everything that you shared with us. Today and as brilliant alien is that is just such gold in Simatupang. What's the biggest takeaway tip? I take from you today. Set your intentions attentions. What are your true true intentions? And that's the first thing I have a lot of every month. I usually do it about one or two one education sessions where it just me and one of the person. It is an investment. And you're getting one hundred percent of my time and I'm going to help you achieve whatever you want to achieve or start on that path so the first thing before we even start talking talking about hair or technique or any of that is why. Why do you want to do this? You know because if when those times get hard artery like it's not working out or failing you need that connection to why you're doing it to keep you driving through those times you know what I mean it really I think so much honestly we are so I'm certainly humbled sitting here in conversation with you in this space and for you to Hsieh Eh. This chatted too many mainly gripe people in our industry. But you've shared some stuff in the I I think from that whole developing and I think young people sometimes do get a bad rap. And you know we've had podcast. We've shown Dawson defended young people the narrow medium people that want to go out there but I think the one part of life that may be is I think for a lot of people not just young people but social media media and all the things is making everything look easy and it's false and the reality is master master master become. No you'll reason no your purpose and nice. y'All will become better as well mental health. Yeah we're just talking with her about that about how being Abbotabad you looked after his big shout out to go here. I always thought you know because at the end of the day what happens if instagram has gone tomorrow. I'd like to see that for a little while. That'd be quite refreshing but that'd be you have spent your time. Mastering you're going to be okay. You know you're going to be totally. We'll get through okay. Yeah because it's easy to hide behind a beautiful picture and lots of followers and lots of likes but I'm not trying to hate her negative about anyone doing in whatever they do and it was another thing I've come to because beginning I'm like you could be very negative and you'd be like point the finger like I just need to focus on me. That's that's just a distraction. So that's another thing of piece of advice I'd be like stop looking at for inspiration. Really focus on you because that investment will always always always pay off. You know you're just wasting time focusing on somebody else or something out when you can invest in that same time into yourself to grow yourself breath and that's never gonna not never not going to grow if you do that and I think a lot of us spend so much I mean even me. I'm guilty of it as well. I'll just sit there and score a I'm not sure I'm not. I'm not perfect by any means. I have arthritis coast. But I'll call myself. I'll be like Oh my God stop it. Do Something Goal Gola language or go look at some. You know do something else with your time because who knows what's going to happen tomorrow or the next day a or whatever so just being just earn it and set your intentions and if you really have those goals set. Ask Yourself Stephen Moore again. I think there's a book called like the five levels of y you can go even deeper. I've gone on holiday shortly. I'm going to check that book. Yeah Yes for sure. Sign up again. I don't know the exact title but I think it's like the five levels of why or what listeners again I'll also said he put that because it is it's pretty it's pretty cool because then you'll realize oh why and then if you have that conversation with yourself you're like oh I don't even want that at all. I'm doing this for the completely wrong reason. So you'll be working so hard down a path you know. And that's what I feel like a lot of even if you see a lot of the young generation like P stylist there working so hard. They are doing it but they're not doing it with an intention so I'm like you're just driving in the hamster wheel go and you don't know where you're going. Oh why so all you have takes an hour of your time. Just sit there with yourself ask yourself what are my goals. But why and then that will lead you to happiness. And I think that's why you know like I was saying before I wasn't feeling happiness in working more in a team environment. You know in helping others grow. You'll really happiness today. There's a good vibe around you. Yeah I'm GonNa rent you kind of a tribute most of that to my beautiful amazing food. Just Sil- little. She's she's a collared. Director is the only reason why could be buried. He does the same thing and she's a beautiful. She's changed me in so much in. So how many ways. Honestly that shows a lot of that should get goosebumps. Just seeing you in there because I think honestly that's wicked and it shows humbleness and it shows you emotionally shows where that commission so honesty. Thank you for sharing your an absolute credit. And you're what a joy to have you share in somebody. I've just briefly in two minutes in what I've heard your voice. I can't wait to meet the face already disappointed. No no no no. No no fasting has so you're in town again for our listeners. That one learn more maybe stateside do education in the UK education worldwide. We go where can we find. You know just You can hit us up on instagram. Sharpening at Shokhin and Click Cli and click. Just you know group of like minded individuals keeping it New York underground urban streets and putting those two together so that just hit me up. Fashioned meets passion on Instagram. Should what he's passionate. That's it's been one that or are Shokhin and click dot com as well. You can reach out again. We'll put all the will all be there and this man listeners viewers honesty his work is just incredible. Shed some of your again maybe on the show and for the podcast will maybe just share your images as well which would be nice just for people to get. AH SO WE'RE GONNA leave this with a beautiful and I always do for my podcast. which is I want to know you briefly away? Kate said we're going to just find out a little a bit more about U. Joseph from away from the hair industry or a bit of fun. No everybody struggles with it. These are tough questions. Imagine I am going to put in combat boot that you could recommend like you recommended a book. So that's for a future show. I feel might start asking Kesse so question one away from work. How do do you best to spend your time? I love Jujitsu. I've been trading that for two years now and I love being a student and I love knowing nothing and I love knowing that. It's GonNa take me a very long time to become a master so it's really fun for me to start all over again at something thing and I feel like I'm growing learning you know self-defense. All that stuff jujitsu video games. Yeah okay for that yet. So so the question. What's the one song that makes you jump up and hit the DANCEFLOOR? I'm expecting seem pretty cool from you. Being a tough New York what what do you mean like denting. Or let's just say we're GONNA have a dancefloor going on here and I'm going to put on record it's just GonNa make you WanNa get up and burster move. I mean just as my head yes. Any jamiroquai track Jamiroquai. Yeah you can't go wrong wrong. I wouldn't have had you done for Jamiroquai. All different genres of music discuss September by Edwin and fire is also attracted. I just can't sit down for two. We'll be sharing not in our instagram story. So we have now created a platform. We've created a list of all guess favorite tracks so if you want to check that one out I'm GonNa put it on their celery. That's good we like Radha. Okay question. Free what what would you do in this Sunday afternoon. Just gone I was hanging out with the my friend Jamie and his his girl Selfie. Who have been friends with for two and a half years is just walking around London doing shopping snow? It's spend your time wondering London. Yeah it was it was great just does which we have in New York. So can you tell me about. This is what we do. We just want to London and we always got an endo's drop on the South Bank so if you WanNa find me member of amazing that's not does but you don't get my physique hope bouts question what was the last big treat you gave to yourself yourself and you say non does last big tree. I mean the first thing that comes to mind is last year for the Cherry Cherry Blossom Festival. I took my wife and I. We went to Japan to Tokyo. which I like to visit every season every year mean and finally started my back piece from Unreal Amazing Tattoo artist? WHO's Su so inspirational for me? His name's Tomo and to me one of the top five six days in the world. So I I've been saying this for years that I've I'm going to go to Japan and get my back done and I was like what am I waiting for. I caught myself saying like why why. Why haven't they done it yet? And I didn't know it was holding me back so I said stopping stupid book the flight and then you're forced to go you know and I hit him up and he magically had a point a day openings deletion and I'm like Xyzal you back is it. Yeah I started. I have seven more hours to go. So which is you'll have to share. Share a picture. Because we're going to have to say I want to embarrass you so again listeners. If you WANNA see that we'll share reach. That was like the last real treat. I treat my wife. I WanNa get Japan as well. It looks beautiful country. I have to say the place I really want to go to an up not being too so anyway it's not about race autobody semi lastly one more thing that we really need to know about you. Man I I love I love British humor and comedy I watch a ton of British films chosen programs that most Americans would never everyone know of but I definitely have this little good thing for that. Yeah that's amazing. Well we love you. We love your new vibe. We Look Nice. Spain absolute delight to have you come on so wing Kai said that you were in town. It was like an umbrella. Let's get you in. No I wasn't I wasn't on passing shower rod and he's yeah it's just incredible the loss of this again. Thank you so much. Aw thank you so much then to Joseph Dimaggio for coming onto. Today's how to cut a podcast. I had such a great time in his company and it was great to hear him open up and Chace S. emerge gold nuggets with us. Today really was some brilliant takeaway points and I think the biggest takeaway for me was to become a true Mazda. Sta In your craft. You've got to be prepared to sometimes do things that you'll not really wanting to do. Maybe you may have to move somewhere completely new. You're going to have to to spend as much time to become an expert. And he said two thousand our was at least two. So that's what you gotta do. So if you WANNA go in that world of hairdressing yes in don't just sit and rely on Social Media Inc GonNa be enough. Let me tell you so if you want to go and check any of the points that we discussed in this episode today then we have proposed some show notes for you online at www dot how to kurt dot it slash EP. One to five and do do remember that we filmed this as well for the hair show. So if you WANNA go and see the actual film of this where men Josie sat down in the social. 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Welcome once again to SF t preview we've been away for a while but we're back to preview it's coming up on the SF T podcast network and this week reprieve previewing what's coming up on knife flagship podcast. Talk John Dimaggio talked to me about voicing the joker in Batman death into family. You know we always talk about who would you like to voice in DC University of habit and you always brought up the joker. And now you do. That's Kinda. Cross. One off your list. How does that feel? It's absolutely crossed off the list and then and then to get to revisit it. You know ten years later. So do doing this has just been really it's really special I feel Yeah it's really something. Yeah I love your take on him to. It's it's. It's consistent, but it's also original too. I like that. I appreciate that. Thank you know what's really cool. Is that you know Mark Hamill who I looked to as you know is the ojep- Batman Guy who's been who's been playing them most I mean really he he uh, he really got a kick out of my performance. in under the Red Hood, the joker and to get that kind of compliment from from him. Just. Made me feel like, okay. I'm not. I'm not in the in in I did a good job I know. I know I did it well, if he's if he's talking about it and saying you know. Really. Great. I'm just like, wow, that's blows. My Maria. And as I understand it this is kind of a unique movie because the audience can decide what happens next. That's yeah, absolutely. Yeah. No, it's really great and I. We've been talking about it and I think it's going to be. Considering the Times that we're living in and and how during. During this pandemic you know the know so much animation has been green lit and it's one of the sections of. Of entertainment that really hasn't died down. Even more. So it's gotten busier I think that you know it's Projects, like this are going to be more and more you know. They're gonNA occur more and more It's just really it's just really something And and it's exciting. It's an exciting way to tell story when when the viewer gets the decide. It's it's really something you know and and it goes back to also the you know the time in the eighties when they had the, you know the one nine, hundred number to see. You know how that I'll? Go deal with Jason Todd and you know and they're. You know. Because it's the same concept, but it's you know modern technology and I just think it's fascinating and I think it's wonderful for the fans I think they'll really really get a kick out it. Yeah I I. It's absolutely fantastic and to incorporate the red hood in this version. But the big differences, it's an R. rating so you can do a lot more. You can do a whole hell of a lot more and it's really kind of. I don't know this. This is a dark story. It's. Dark. It's dark material and to you know try and candy coated just simply because it's an animated film. I. Don't I don't think that's a good idea I think that you really have to. You really have to honor this this this story and you know what's going on in it I, mean you know and? I think we're all think we're all grownups here. We all understand this as a you know, you don't want to seven year old kids watching this hour rating is on night and the other thing is you know. This stuff state they used to say that our rating that's that's won't be able to do you know anything like that? You know people won't watch it? No, it's no this is this is this for grownups. It's going right directly exactly where it's supposed to be going and or rating is appropriate. Violence his language there's you know there's adult themes. There's all sorts of things and and and that's fine. You know I'm totally cool with that I don't the ratings re whatever as long as the story and and is is Is. Able to be told in poll but however, they want to tell you know. Look for Batman Death in the family wherever you get your digital or video content it starts on October thirteenth complete interview airs on Sci Fi talk and also might DC animation and live action podcast. The Kate Glenn Dakin has a new book on my favorite critter in the Star Trek Universe triples I have author Glenn, Dakin who has fascinating book. If I can quote a phrase star Trek nerd search quibbles with Trimble's it's a great book because I is it safe to say Glenn that it's kind of like the where's Waldo for Star Trek fans is yes I mean we were looking to create something of that was a bit like next level. Whereas will die. So instead of simply trying to find characters, we've come up with something very devious, which is you have to. Golden. ERA 's. Costume eras characters in the wrong seen things may be conceptually wrong. It's one for the real fans who really like dissecting the show man. This is based on the original series man. There is an item from every single episode while every single storyline of the original series in hidden on the pages. So you kind of need to have quite a good buoyed knowledge of Star Trek the original series, but it also spans the other series because some of the era's continuity errors you might see somebody from next Gen or. In the background attending the the reception The ambssadors reception in Janis Babble Oh you might see a Michael Burnham in the background in a where she's not supposed to be. So we've we've had funk. Crossing different dimensions and. In setting things into scenes that shouldn't be there at is supposed to kind of like you know how it really annoys people sometimes where. About Star Trek lightly misspoke Dr Spot that kind of gift. With kind of try to make this book while that was really annoying. You wouldn't believe the the you had this you know huge hunting up in original series or something you know someone would make a blunt like that. So it's skull. It's got these kind of really annoying blunders in there will there will deliberate. And not there will. There will our own and home cooks, mistakes and then. They don't judge you. There's more sci talk. So stay tuned. Here's more sci talk with Tony Tomato and Peter Joseph based his fill on his book. Talking about the film Inter Reflections, and that's worth. It's a driving force and director. Peter Joseph it's based on bestselling book the Human Rights. Movement. Is this an adaptation or is this kind of its own thing? Good question. So it's typical for film that's based on a book to sort of portray the book in a linear fashion usually a a nonfiction excuse me usually the narrative film will have a fiction book that goes along with it unless it's a bio-pic or something. So what I've done though in this writing and the film relay of it is I've taken a highly academic book something. I wrote a couple years back on social theory it's called new human rights movement, and it's a pretty intense academic treatment on. Where we are today in terms of human rights and civil rights, of course, extending to other forms of activists, concerns such as the loss of biodiversity, the ecological crisis, and so on and so forth. So if someone wants to read the book they would get a very academic understanding of my perspective. In contrast to the film, which as an artist and as a experimental artist in many ways because I go back to the old, music school of of highly. Ambitious, why can't think of a better word THAN AVANT GARDE I? Suppose that was out of my upbringing in my musical environment because I'm a classically trained musician that most of my education was in the classical music world. Happened to fall into filmmaking later on now is able to transfer some of that stuff to my filmmaking that I learned in music in terms of phrasing in terms of concept and structure. and. So I wanted to make a film that was very different inform, which is I think accomplished in this film and I wanted to use the information from my book but not make it. So obvious I, wanted to. Produce something that could sort of inspire people with have more loose, almost destabilizing way through an experience that uses all the subjects that has all the content that's in the book for the most part generally speaking but it comes out at a completely different way and the way I rationalized that as as an activist because all of this really are is active media. I'm I don't make this media just entertain or distract people or to allow them to get lost some fantasy at all has purpose in. My mind but I didn't want just make a normal straightforward film about the subject. So I decided to make something a little more experimental and kind of pair them together. So when people talk about the movie, I, always bring up the books I. Think I think they go hand in hand frankly and I hope people are inspired when they see the movie to want to learn more about the underlying ideas and hopefully read the book, which is you know again far more academic as opposed to avangard. From what I saw it looks like it. It kind of has a combination of narrative and a documentary style. were. The people that are interviewed for the documentary style are they actors playing these parts or they real people? Now, these are all actors. So what was broken into three different narratives to say three different timelines actually is different time and you might notice three different genres. Of silent film horror genre that happens with this young lady that we kinda follow around throughout the film and that is a depiction in her mind of a sort of sickness of culture, a sickness of society. Each scene is about an investigation related to certain social issues. It's you know that's the most abstract layer of the entire film, and then there's this documentary layer you speak of at about one hundred years in the future, and it's these are actors. I decided to take the doctor documentary feel and obviously since it takes place in the future, you know this is a great device I guess you could say narrative where I'm putting people in the future. Talking about the past and I thought that was a great structure to be able to address certain things from future hindsight to kind of break that sort of relationship that people have to the modern. So modern culture where you know you shake things up a little bit and you say, well, what if you were to look at things from the future? Would you really believe what you believe now you know that hindsight is always twenty twenty thing which I think is a very useful device when talking about social issues and in the third layer which pertains to your show probably more than anything is this of satirical science fiction layer of very very cliche. I I think he would say structure with antagonist protagonist there debating life in space the debate element. Of course, you know the dialogue that they engage really is derived. Once again from my book, it's very intense dialogue, but I'd like to Immuno implanted in this this very typical again, satirical science fiction framework and the symbolism. Of course you probably noticed they're sitting in space. The Earth is back with all the conversations about the future of the earth and humanity, and then of course, he snaps out of it and I won't give away spoilers as far as that particular layer but I will say that that sci-fi layer is what carries forward believe it or. Not, I structured this whole thing as a trilogy. There are actually two other films that continue to build in this way whether I get to that point I'm not quite sure this film was very, very difficult to make as a low budget filmmaker took many years and you know it's it's it's just a big challenge. I'd have to have a little bit more support probably make some more of these but I do it that way. So this Sifi layer is what will carry into the future and the event I continue to make sequels to this op do car selene is one of the leads of raised by wolves and I spoke to him recently here's a sample. Is the series kind of flipped the characters a bit. Is the protector as well as being a teacher specifically father fills that role of being a teacher and teaching the kids. How do you see Father Right right? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean I kinda see father as. You know what he's more he I'd say he is sort of he's definitely a partner to to mother in regards to rearing in raising the children but Moore's sort of the educate educative sort of like trying to teach the children and in a way in which you know. For example, you know you've got mother who is defended the protector and very capable of doing that, but he's also very. Capable of also teaching the children about. Religion about science about all this other stuff and I think that father kind of AIDS mother side in that side of things I think. That's what was really interesting about what Aaron wrote is is that father actually trying to find his space and trying to mind to he is and I think that is something that is so interesting to to explore I think and. For me. It's funny. You know even that question you just asked me like well, who is father what his father it's like. What is he like? What is what is important in regards to this family apart from telling like terrible dad jokes like. What is what is? So what is special about him and I think that is something that is he's trying to find during the course of that series and it's and that's what's so compelling to play. But for me generally, I see I see him as a partner to mother and aiming to sort of. Bring the best of the children and of their survival in anyways they can as well as protecting them when needs. which interesting to me is the fact that not only are mother father teaching the children the children are also I think teaching them to be more human. Yes. I think that's the that's the thing that was really exciting about being in a I. Right. You'd think that it's like having Google in your mind, but actually what you will, you know what Google come teach you about is being a human and about real life and I think that's what's Also really, quite compelling about the series is the fact that we are as android learning about what it means to be human and how can we be human if we were if we are these computers I'm not expecting my pc to be talking to me nowadays. But then at the same time we do have. Siri and Alexa and. So It's very much him. It does i. that's again something. That's really. Really Fascinating. About this world that he's built and created and is is the what if what if android could? You know, for example, really learn what it means to be human. All of these podcasts you're coming to sci talk, which is the flagship podcast of the SF. T network follow me on twitter at Fi talk next week look at the SF t complete liner with sample of each program until next time this is Tony Gelato. Name is Alec Sahara and I've been in eight episodes of stargate played even God's Zales to. Iron shirt the I when I own. US briefly coca code rush. Omen Coca Cola. and Yeah lots of crazy stuff outer limits, everything else and you listen to talk.
John DiMaggio Batman Death In The Family
"Welcome to the cave you know I misspoke I, made a mistake I give you John Dimaggio Voice. Joker and the new Batman death in the family based on the graphic novel I didn't realize that he had voiced him in Batman under the Red Hood is well. I misspoke. The voice cast was reunited. The voice cast from that Phil was reunited in death in the family. Here's John Damage. Hi John We've been in a few more than a few roundtables and. And I remember you saying you know we always talk about who would you like to voice in the DC universe you haven't, and you always brought up to joke. And now you have to do. That's Cross one off your list. How does it feel? Absolutely. Cross off of this and then and then to get revisited. You know ten years later or so you know doing this as just been really it's been really special. Yeah it's really something. Yeah I love your take on him to. It's it's. It's you contestant, but it's also original too I like that. I appreciate that. Thank you. You know what's really cool is that? You, know. Mark Hamill, who I look to, as you know is the Oh Gee Batman and the guy was who's been playing in the most I mean, really. He. He he really got a kick out of my performance. in under the Redwood as the joker and to get that kind of compliment from from him. Made me feel like, okay I'm not. I'm not in the in in I did a good job I. Know I. did it I know I well, he's if he's talking about it and saying you know. Really. Great, I'm just like wow that blows my mind. You know and as I understand it, this is kind of a unique movie because the audience can decide what happens next. That's. Yeah. No, it's really great I. Actually, we've been talking about it and I think it's going to be. Considering Times that we're living in and and. During. During this pandemic, you know the you know so much animation has been green lit, and it's one of the sections of. Of entertainment that really hasn't fight down thinking even more. So Gotten Busier I think that you know it's Projects like this. Going to be more and more in. The Kerr more I. It's just really is just really something And a an and it's exciting. It's an exciting tell story when when the viewer gets the decide. It's it's really you know and and and it goes back. Also the you know the time in the eighties and they have the you know one, nine, hundred number this he you know how that goes out sells. They'll deal with Jason's hot and you know. What I mean because it's the same concept but it's you know modern technology and I just think it's fascinating I think it's wonderful for the fans I think they'll really really get a kick out of it. Yeah. It's absolutely fantastic and to incorporate the red hood in this version. But the big difference is it's an R. rating so you can do a lot more if you can do a whole hell of a lot more and it's really kind of. I don't know the this. This is a dark story. It's dark. It's dark material and to you know to try and candy coated just simply because it's an animated filled. I don't I don't think that's a good idea. I think that you really have to. You really have to honor this this this story and you know what's going on in it and you know in. The. Girl, we're all grownups here. We all just it's A. Seven year old kids watching this rating is and young thing is you know? This stuff they they used to say that you know our rating. That, we'll be able to do you know anything like that you know people won't watch it no, it's this is this is this grownups it's going right directly to exactly where supposed to be going and our rating is appropriate. There's violence there's language there's you know there's adult themes. There's all sorts of things in and that's fine. You know our goal with that I don't the ratings re whatever as long as the story in is is. Is. Able be told and. The however. You know yeah. Well. You know I, I just think doing it. This way was a great idea. If if I have to give you the con, what voice is kind of like your voice into DC Pantheon Killer Croc you just are amazing is. Really. Thank you. Yeah. Funded killing rock you know that's really funny I. I've been able to I've been doing it so much stuff not man come on now. Was Pretty Pretty Awesome. But I mean, you're talking villain. Sure. Sure really I didn't take shark to King Shark was on you know. Shows. You know weird's kind of things. But but yeah, I was talking about it talking about disease. I think. Jerry told me one trend like over fifty overseas wishes in the DC universe, which is pretty crazy. and I didn't even know that so. He's only that it was like. A really. Or over here. but yeah, it's it's really something but you know I. I had a blast doing doing these characters DC? It's you know listen joker Aquaman I'll take it. Yeah. Honorable Mentions wanting to. Oh? Yeah. That's right. Things Pretty. Yeah. Yeah. More DC entertainment on decays stay tuned. Back with more DC animation and live action conversations on the case. So. To come back. After to. Mr J again after all this time. How did that? Feel it was it. Was it easy to get back into or do you have to kind of? Know it was easy listening. Once you've already said the template you know getting back through it is is that's that's easy. Just the getting into it as easy getting back to it as far as being able to do the role again, that's the hard work you know. But but you know, but it was It's really something when something comes back to you. After a long period, I've been very fortunate in my career. I've done projects that have. Risen from the dead like a Phoenix and come back and you know this is this. she jarama. All all sorts of different stops has come back. I mean I've been in a bunch of different then tens you know all all. About so I just been very fortunate I consider myself. Lucky enough to. Get to come back and play and you know get into it. That's all they're all descriptors, all there and what they wanted to do all there. So you just get it usually do it and get it done. Yeah. As far as the whole Kobe experience are you like recording some home for projects or I've? Been during this time I've been recording home I've also I've been sporting at studios that are flower, very strict covid nineteen guidelines. You know or an city of Los Angeles County. Los Angeles Shag, crews, you know studio through You know lot approved. There's a there's a lot of a lot of stuff whereas you know I've had to hesitate chests you know to take swabs and stuff for for going into certain. studios and that's totally fine But Yeah I mean I've been working. Working here, working and working in studios so Yeah and it's. It's all right. I mean the the equipment I have in my house I don't have you know a studio but I have you know a a a good enough own and the enough of. System of buffers and place to get the right kind of sound that's headed the bowl and and good enough urge to be recorded and used for on air purchases and also saw good. It's it's it's been all right. I've been very fortunate. So. Talk about your Batman in this particular. This particular reuss. the the the actors plays. Batman Bruce Greenwood oh how. He's he's so good Firstly, what was I watching the other day that I vs Coma God spruce Washing Your I'm not here the movie the Dylan movie yeah. Actors play Dylan he's he's totally in plays A. BBC interviewer absolutely brilliant and it's just it just and then he also plays another Turkey like some civil war type guy and it's just. As. Really. Something you get to play with these wonderful actors you know you to do these east. These. Great. Projects and and you know it's just it's just wonderful but. The actors you know. Did did you know under the red goods came back and really good stuff and it's been? It's been really cool. And really. And to take it to do as an R. rated and the feed there is you can do so much more in you. You know it's True. To tell the story correctly that's it. You know I he hamming jobs, grow cap mode, and ever since that they've been able to do a couple of these now. It looks like a whole new market. It's Not. Yeah. No I I, absolutely is exciting and you know. It's it's great. You know listen if you can. I mean, if you can do this, do stories that way if you can create those stories and V. Thorough? In, pull them off like they did with this particular project. Any disguise limit. Is there a voice that you just absolutely loved doing that you love coming back to? Well. I would love to do tendering is. I love to be able to get the chance to vendor again, will would be. Really. Really Awesome. But you know that's that's us. Until then I'll take this Janet you know what I mean but what what, but. Listen anytime you get to come out and to played. Dr Dragon. Again, that would be a trip like. All that stuff the Scotsman you know and this here and there, and everywhere, a lot of things have come back to life. So I've been really fortunate for as as concerned. You know much more fortunate than others I think just you know it's really cool and and you know. This is this is something I. Think the fans will just completely love. It will eat. They will eat this up. Oh, that sounds great. Now, it's I'm really happy for you man and. Commander again and I you know what I saw and I go oh, that's a joker. All right. Looking forward to finally, getting back to a con, we can sit around those tables again, I'm telling you. It's been a weird. Yeah. Believe me. I know. All right here's an ice look for Batman death in the family I. Mean, this is the way to do it these days you get the Combo Pack I've been saying that for years and then you can download the digital version, put it on your laptop or your phone if you have the memory of course and you can watch it on the go, which is great as well as watching it at home on your big screen that's what I'm going. For the cave this is Tony Tomato thanks. Gary. Till next time, this is man and you're listening to Sifi Talk.
"Today answers matter more than ever before. That's why IBM is helping. Businesses manage customer questions with Watson Assistant It's conversational AI designed to work for any industry. Let's put smart to work visit. IBM Dot Com Slash Watson Assistant. Pardon the interruption, but Mike Robot Tony a firefighter Brooklyn world record by doing five, thousand, two, hundred ninety seven burpee. He's in twelve hours. I'm Tony. Kornheiser wow that top one best by five, thousand, two, hundred, Ninety, seven, when I got a follow up quest. What. The hell's. So a burpee. Is You standing off? Maybe there's a step in front of you or a Bo Super Bowl in front of you and your dropdown. You kick your legs out and do a push up. Give me ten when I was. Ten? Twenty five years old. They heard the really hard in their stupid for anybody over the thirty. That's my position, crazy, old man and his own addict day ninety five in today's episode will I discussed Dak Prescott. Happiness Tigers returned to the golf course and another top high school of going to the G. League and I'm wearing my hat because I still have this cut on. My head opens better by Monday, but we begin today with news that Zion. Williamson has left the NBA bubble. Bubble in Orlando to attend an urgent family medical matter. The New Orleans Pelicans Zion intends to rejoin the team at an unspecified later date. We'll bond your thoughts on Zion leaving and what this could mean in the bigger picture, well Tony Me. The first thing is I hope this urgent family. Medical matter turns in becomes not urgent, and whoever this is, and whatever it is is improved better. So, that's the first thought and my second thought is. This is what people as they get older as they move from Zion's twenty today in their twenties, and thirties and forties is what we do it all the time. This is what deal with and players and coaches, and this is what your life becomes as you get older sadly, but necessarily the difference of course is this pandemic? The difference you you you normally you leave, and these guys have enough wherewithal to fry fly privately. If they want and most times they do and they they come back. Back and they juggle their tension between what is going on with their family member and ball, and they still have to do that, but now it's only you have protocol that you have to answer to, and you could be gone anywhere from say four days to fourteen days depending on things like if you're tested every day while you're gone, so we. We don't know and let's face it. There's twenty two teams in the bubble and not sixteen largely because Zion is one of those six extra teams in the NBA wanted to see him in the postseason. No question about that there's there's no reason on earth for the Washington. Wizards and the Sacramento Kings and whole bunch of these teams to be in this round, Robin and playoff to get into the playoffs in his created right because Zion, Williamson, second only in my opinion to Bron James as a television draw, and they WANNA. See Him in the playoffs. I Echo your statements that we hope that this isn't something traumatic for the family that should go without saying but testing the. The protocol by understanding correctly is you need to test on your own every day? In order that? When you come back, you can spend only four days out instead of fourteen. That's asking a lot of anyone when they've left the bubble to be able to do that to me. The larger question is, do you make exceptions know and to me for people like Zion and Lebron James who try to make an exception, but where where there is contagion, you can't do of course. By the Way Zion has team. Okay, and his team can help in that regard. They may have to send somebody WHO's in charge of testing. They want him air. No, there's no exception is the is the is the virus make an exception? Is the virus go? Lebron is gone, then look a little bit too big and strong for. Let me let me go over here. No, they're not doing that, so there's no exceptions, but you hope one that that this urgent matter becomes less urgent, and to that Zairean could get back quickly. Administer this I mean. The the Pelicans come on David. Griffin is not some dope going to do what they can as a franchise who support him and make sure he has what he needs to transition back to the bubble. Time to go get up and I take on you and talk some Dak Prescott. The. Cowboys quarterback did not get the big long term deal. He wanted by yesterday's deadline, but toll USA Today. Quote I'm a cowboy and I couldn't be happier. Close quote Tony when you hear this. Do you believe that? I do right now today I do believe that and I believe it's a very smart thing to say because the only team that can give you more. Money is the team you play for right now. The Dallas cowboys now may turn out that he doesn't feel that way down the role, but you'll recall the kirk cousins who played this same role a few years ago to the tune of. Of Eighty four million dollars guaranteed after two years of being franchised where made about forty five million other dollars, never bad mouth, his team in Washington, he never bad mouth them, and so I understand this I. do understand this with with Dak Prescott yes I do I. Do you know by and large I've not cared about this story and I've been very dismissive of it. We'll get his money. Alone, I don't care. But together Tony, dynamic here that I do care about and I, look at this past off season, and now we're getting closer would is we? Think is gonNA could be camp and I look at. Look at Cam Newton and I look at the kid down in Tampa. Who through all the interceptions, but also Jameis Winston to for about. Housing yards and I look at them twenty I. Look at Look at some high profile black quarterbacks. We are thankfully past the point. Where won't we're wondering if team, we'll have a black quarterback because I guess I don't know if all thirty two teams have had one, but for the most part with Butler beyond that, but then I look at these off seasons, and I look at some of the quarterbacks who are playing under contract for more money than these guys and I'm like what what what does what gives here collectively? What? What is it that the League? What is it that the national football league culture and its owners think of rewarding black people who play quarterback? quarterback as opposed to much much much much lesser white people who play quarterback in some cases. What is the dynamic? What are we? What are we dealing with here? The DAK Prescott to be having to do this and you'd like to put this question to Jerry Jones. Except Jerry Jones has been hiding under a desk since I don't know May, he has not been available. He's only available to run his mouth in his locker room when it suits Jerry Jones, but we need to examine the situation with these quarterbacks again accomplished Cam Newton MVP in this league. Dame's Winston still has some his graph. Go is going up to some degree and look at this and I'm. I'm like what the Hell is going on here? That's the only thing I care about this. The only dynamic care about well I'm not I'm going to answer that I own answer that by saying that there are some black quarterbacks who have won super bowls like Russell Wilson and Patrick. Mahomes who have been rewarded tremendously once I I. Yeah, they've they've won. Super Bowls Dot Prescott has not yet won a super bowl. You can take a guy like golf. Making one hundred ten million dollars, who got to the Super Bowl and Dak Prescott has not done that yet I think time is on Prescott side because I think he's really good, and I'd say one other thing. Thing about why he might be happy. Because the new coach on that team Mike McCarthy has won a super bowl. He replaced Brett farve with Aaron Rodgers and he went, and he won a super bowl and I don't think Jason Garrett ever to Super Bowl. So that might be another reason why Dak Prescott lights the position he's sitting in and now I will move on when we left. Elena Delle Donne yesterday. The WNBA was still denying her a medical exemption for her line disease, still reserving the right not to pay her if she did not report for the WNBA season in Florida, her own team, the mystics they send stepped in. They said they plan to pay. Or Two hundred fifteen thousand dollars salary while she. We have our back, so we'll. Von Did the mystic solve this problem. I don't know about solving problems. The mystics did have done the right thing i. mean the certain thing you certainly don't want. Is Your Best Player your franchise player? You're the MVP of your team and your league to be upset in house, right, you don't want that. You don't need that friction you. You need none of that, so you do what you can do to help this situation and say listen. Elena. We're going to do everything we can do here if you have a problem with the league, you guys are going to have to settle, but you put the ball in someone else's court. You don't let your star player go anywhere near the start of a season not to mention a bubble being upset with you. Is that going to be a solution? Only. Don knows how deeply she's been offended, and who can solve that that? Yeah I. Don't think it's a mystics problem. I think it's a WNBA problem. Here's the MVP of the League and the Best Player on a championship team. Being told that her lime disease doesn't qualify. Take sixty four pills every single day. She believes doctors have told her that. Her immune system is compromised. The what does the NBA Wmba want to go down to Florida and risk dying? Dying I mean we talk about this virus all the time and this is someone who could be adversely affected by it now. The mystics could hold off and they can say well. When you're done rehabbing, we'd like you to play and that put search sort of in the same position and I've said this again and again and again I'll continue to say it might lane of. Seems to me be somebody you would want representing your team representing your league and representing your brand, and it seems like you going out of your way to stop them from doing that. Well. The Milanese mystics to this point have not been missing. Long gone the other way. When the WB said at some point, even the mystics are going to have to say Dell Don and the League. We're out of this. You guys have got to get you. You've got to come to a better place. Let's go to golf. The first round of the memorial is not yet complete, but some big names were in the clubhouse. They include you, boy, Bryson, D Shambo. The Mad scientist who started today by hitting a four hundred twenty three yard drive, but he wound, he finished plus one seventy three. Wow, and these five shots back. That's six or seven shots back Michael Kornheiser by the way that was better, then, the threesome of Justice Thomas Dustin Johnson and Xavier I'm sorry Zander's Schlafly who finished a combined plus sixteen. Meanwhile, Tiger birdied the first hole. He's places February tone what stood out to you? What stood out to me. Is The threesome that I take to beat your threesome? That was heavily laden with major winners, which is kept going Tiger and rory and I picked to Shambo plus one is not a terrible scoreboard. Cal fell back a little bit, but Patrick is sitting at minus two so I'm like in. My bed is what I'm talking about an slow your. Your Roll sparky. We got four days in. His thing is not going to be decided today. If anybody says slow roll, it would be you since you're saying you like your position, so you like -sition with three dudes with the same number majors as you and me nuts zero while my I so I. Think has twenty two majors. What are you talking about dude? Okay can I ask you a question? Wait three. or Is it a major. Not a major, it's not so stop and so much more to say about. Nothing, to say time should. I WanNa, talk about the handshake deal I'll get to it some other time coming up the titans just sewing. Garin can read a new deal is Tennessee's running back more valuable than it's quarterback. Yes, House after. We'll take a closer. Look at the bazaar goal in the MLS last night. You got no major. Not You got nothing you got nothing. It is not a major if it's. Link of how great those guys are anywhere, they tee it up. Not a major. Hello. This is your apartment. I need some favors from you. Your cat keeps rubbing against the kitchen island, and I can't return the favor. 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Let's get the first one from the producer over the loudspeaker tossup. More Valuable Titan Ryan Tannehill or Derrick Henry. Okay quarterbacks are always more valuable regardless of the team. That's why to titans paying. Tannehill sixty, two, million, guaranteed and Derrick Henry. Twenty five million dollars guaranteed I love Derrick. Henry, he's the best running back in the football thirteen and Oh, when he goes for one hundred yards. Know three what. You know in the playoffs. Over one hundred eighty. Two when he's not yeah, but I'm just saying to you that Tannahill. What he was with Marcus Mariota Tennessee didn't do much tannahill getting their change the course of that franchise, so I don't think it's as easy a call as you do. It's very easy because also Santa Hills and number one play action passer in the League play action comes off initiation of a fake to that running back, and the cultures learned better how to use him after Mary And maybe tannehill themselves, said I am not going to be a dope. I understand that this is where my bread is. buttered tannahill like every quarterback gets paid more, but the best player on that team is Derrick Henry. Period no argument, no argument as to who is the best player that wasn't. Exactly the question next last one toss. Who deserves more credit for this goal Vancouver or San Jose? This, and I'm going to be very brief on this San. Jose gives up. The ball makes an error and then San Jose's. Kicks the ball into the net. All been couvert did was test. Drive the ball trip out of new. York laid it down the field. That's right. That's right. The answer is San Jose. WHO has the own goal? Who put it into his own net San Jose? So the word credit can also be Blaine right, so we'd played Mantis game here and that's when you score. There's nothing more embarrassing in the sport of football. Then scoring an own-goal, some people aren't even allowed back into the country in international competition. If they are I, mean just awful enough unfortunate enough to put an own-goal into the net, and not even allowed back. They just sort of give their passport to the guy's going back home and say till till my parents I love. Him I'll never see him again. So that is my answer. So, we agree on that's it only two questions clear from the one the boat? Let's take one last break would still become another top high school player passes on some Blueblood college programs to join the G. League. Flynn rivers explains his strategy when it comes to us in that NBA snitch law. I liked it better when it was the D. League. I did. What? An oily as letter. 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All pro six times named to the pro bowl ten times, the greatest running back of all time has Jim Round of course, but the short lift list after that is Sanders, emmitt Smith and Walter Payton Sanders led the NFL, rushing four times, and is the NFL's fourth leading rusher. All Time Scout saw this coming. Sanders won the Heisman at Oklahoma State Nineteen, eighty-eight when he had the most e one rushing yards in a single season, two, thousand, six hundred. Hundred Twenty eight and the most d one rushing touchdowns in a single season thirty seven, he also had the most three hundred plus yard games in a single season four. Why Tim Brown Sanders left the game early? WHO's thirty? In his final season? Rousey would probably pass them. It is the number one all time rusher because he's only about three thousand yards behind him, the one knock on. Sanders was his performance of playoff games and six playoff games. He scored only one touchdown in one game. have thirteen carries for minus one yard, which seems inexplicable doesn't make. It does Tony but I'm going to go back to him. Leading the League in rushing four times, it puts them in the extraordinary company off Eric, Dickerson Emmett, Smith, OJ Simpson Steve Van Buren. I mean that that's incredible. Right? We'll the guy who lapped the field is Jim Brown who led the League eight times eight four is the runner up. A guy has eight. It's extraordinary berry. That playoff game against the packers. I know that colored my thinking about him too much as NFC central kid that that. Colored the way I felt about and I apologize because I was wrong. Very Sanders was great that playoff game and It was that that went a long way toward making people say hold on for a second and we should. Happy Anniversary Joe Dimaggio on this day seventy nine years ago, the Yankee Clipper went three for four to extend his record hitting streak to fifty six games. That streak is so far out there that no one has ever come within eleven games of it Pete, rose is second with forty four. Dimaggio and Ted Williams played at the same time may well be the best pure hitters in baseball history. This record was set in the summer of nineteen, forty one when Williams hit four zero six became the last man to hit four hundred Dimaggio won the MVP struck out only thirteen times one hundred thirty nine games thirteen. Thirteen, times all season, the Maggio was MVP three times in an all star in each of his thirteen seasons all with the Yankees, his teams won ten American League. Pennants and nine world series playing in New York and so many champions made Dimaggio and idol reputation that was only amplified when he married Marilyn Monroe Dimaggio was the subject of countless profiles in one in Esquire by the Great Gay Talese Maryland Monroe describes entertaining the troops on a USO tour. She talks about thousands of people cheering her. She says the demongeot. It was so wonderful Joe. You've never heard such cheering and Dimaggio says yes. I have. The shocker when I got older and read about it was, they were married for like a minute and a half. It was unbelievably short time in real world contexts. Tony There's a book written by Richard Ben Kramer about Jill, de Maggio a hero's life, and it is extraordinary by the way. If you had a vote that year and I know, the Yankees finished far field of the Red Sox. If you'd had a vote, the summer of forty one. Who would you vote for MVP IDA pushed. Happy trails that a prospect of college basketball for Jonathan commingle committed the top high school basketball, prospect of class of two thousand and twenty one has become the latest high school. Brad to Spurn College. College op for the professional status of the G. League. The seventeen year old recently somehow reclassified himself as a twenty twenty graduate from the Patrick High School in New Jersey, and therefore eligible for pro money, according to the athletic commingle will be paid approximately five hundred thousand dollars for his year in the G. League. Coming goes six eight said his goal is to be the first player selected in the NBA draft and he believes the G. League provides a better pay than playing college ball. Coming had been recruited by Kentucky to Auburn and Texas. Tech whereas older brother Joel Place Committee has a close relationship with Kyrie Irving, who graduated from the same high school. Commingle Calls Irving, quoting mentor, And, quote a great dude on. Tony He's got that turnaround bank shut like Elvin Hayes. That's a throwback move. I liked that. One Omission Jacob degrom says his back tightness may have been as a result of sleeping wrong. He plans to pitch opening day though the team is in yet short. 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I-5 Series Game 4 Postgame Show
"Sports fans on Henry Schulman here host the recap of game. Four the interstate five world series. Which is now northern California's to lose after seven six. Come from behind victory over the southern California's Angel Stadium the nor cows. Now have a three to one lead in the best of seven world series so the so cows have their work. Cut Out for them. Only six of forty-six teams to fall behind three to one and a world series of comeback win and a comeback. Is the game four story. Northern California was down sixty four in the seventh inning when Garrett Cole trying to rebound from a terrible relief appearance in game one allowed a two run Ricky Henderson. Travolta tie the Game Jolt Joe Dimaggio. Then got ricky home with a sacrifice fly for a seventy six lead for the northerns and that's where it stayed and then in what had to be one of the the great encounters of this series or any series. Dennis ECKERSLEY got the save by striking out Ted Williams to end the game which I'm sure made get Williams extraordinarily pleasant Afterwards Barry Bonds hit his fifth home. Run of this interstate five series but he was outdone by mark. Maguire who had a pair of homers off. Stewart is former Oakland a's teammate Henderson. Also had a two run homer that was off Stephen Strasburg and had four. Rbi's on the day we bring in the genius. Northern California manager Bruce Jenkins who chose Stewart to start his first game of the series overusing Randy Johnson on short rest and You know that the move didn't exactly pay off right there So what can you tell us about that? Stuart start it really didn't You know I would have thought that if Stewart was pitching Mark Maguire. At anytime that he would have the upper hand. I just think Stewart was the better man. Maguire's a hell of a man but Dave Stewart was sort of a different caliber and well Maguire. Let him up twice and in the time the in between those home runs Stewart walked him didn't want any part of him. So that's my obsession with Dave Stewart Ardley workout and it's now vanished but somehow we still win the game. Yeah Amion it's a testament to the to the great offense. I mean both of these teams. Look I mean you look at the offense team and and you almost hate to be pitcher looking at these rosters You know this is one of those you know. Sometimes pitchers won't watch the other teams adding practice. Certain pitchers over the years would do it just so they could get a feel for what the you know the hitters have in this one if I were a pitcher in this series whether I was strasburger steward or Walter Johnson. Whatever I I'd be cowering in the shower having a beer I mean I it just it just a top line all the way round. Yeah I you know I if I were at the park in any capacity I wouldn't miss any moments of any of either team's batting practice. You mentioned Ted Williams sickness. Tony Gwynn George Brad. All the different approaches you know bonds. Just Jimmy rollins anybody Keith Hernandez So it's an here comes Harry. Hyland look at a four hundred hitter from nineteen twenty three. So yeah it's that sort of thing and and you know to say that Stewart was a disgrace. Just can't say that about anybody who doesn't succeed in this series. No and you know Randy Johnson gave up five runs when he had an eleven nothing lead in in Game One Garrett Cole. Fantastic fantastic pitcher Really having trouble in in this series so Yeah you can't hold your head down in fact a knowing what offenses you have If you just keep the team in the game away day Stewart did that you're gonNA have a chance to to pitch them to a help them get to a victory So we. This was our first really game of this series where it was a comeback? I mean this has been a series of Teams taking the home team's taking an early lead and You know just sort of writing it on onto win so This was a different kind of game and it started the same way yet. A two run homer by Mark Maguire in the first inning than Eddie Eddie Mathews In the third Australia two run homer gave the so cal. A four to one lead and The game said on true to form that might have been in in so it would be a marching towards the victory to give them a to split in the series the northern Californians needed a jolt to get back into the game And Ricky Henderson gave them that with a two run homer in the cut. The lead to four three against Stephen Strasburg So it was anybody's game. At that point we moved to the bottom of the fifth. Dave Stewart is on the mound Ted Williams on first base after a walk. Nothing surprising there up steps Mark Maguire. Who already has a two run homer in the game? And here's John Miller to tell us what happened so here. They are again matched up. These old teammates Dave Stewart and big. Mac McGuire already took indeed with two run homer in the first inning in this game. It's tour walk in the next time. Ted Williams at I four to three southern California leading and STU delivers Maguire blast one deep in the right center field. This has a chance way back there and long gone six three southern California second home run of the game for mark. Maguire Gins gave stool now. It's four three ball game and this is kind of a slug fest And I that as a manager in a four three game this early in a game yet. A little nervous that This could get out of hand reuss. Well I am totally nervous. I'm waiting for for Ted Williams to explode waiting for Ralph Kiner to come off the bench in in in the nineteen fifties when he was the greatest power hitter the National League and I was That was pretty much nervous the whole time and I know Houston was to looking at the top of my order not to mention some of the guys coming off the bench so You know there are times where Houston. I just sort of marveled at the the situation that was in Toronto bus bonds coming up. They're down four with a chance of a slam to tie it. And the way this game ended so That's that was a big part of it. Just sort of the magnificence of the matchups well Speaking of magnificence watching Ricky Henderson get into that Crouch and explode on the baseball The power that each generated was decided behold and the your team the northern. Californians really needed him to do just that it's the seventh inning now and it northern California is now six four and Houston Mitchell manager. The so cal he turned to Garrett Cole which was a gutsy move because coal was not good in game. One he gave up five runs in relief of Their starter who was Don Drysdale And so a couple of names. We haven't really heard in this series so far. Willie McGee Jimmy Rollins to great guys from the East Bay. They put runners on first and third get on base with singles That brings Ricky Henderson to the play to on in a two run game. John Miller tells us what happened to Menon Garrett Cole in a tight spot here. Top of the seventy six to four lead for southern California Ricky Henderson with lots of speed out there. Willie McGee had second Jimmy Rollins. At first and of course ricky as fast as anybody at the plate. Here's coal trying to settle in. And he throws ricky swings and he lines down the line. It is a fair ball. It will richocheting all the way into the right field corner. Mcgee races around Third Hill scored. Easily rollins racing around third. He's heading home and he will score the throw heading toward third Henderson with a safe. A two run triple for Ricky Henderson and that has tied the game at six. All right. It's now a tie game Joe. Dimaggio comes up and of course you know Joe Dimaggio was one of the great contact hitters of all time only needed to do was get a ball into the outfield and To get ricky home and he did and now at seven to sixty cows and At that point you must've been. You must've been thrilled because I there really had not been any kind of shifts in momentum's game right now there hadn't and Joe Maggio hadn't done much in the series but there's something about him you don't just say well I'm GonNa sit you down I. It's a tough one some people. Yeah but I wasn't going to do that. And here. He finally comes through with a big sacked. Fly Right and certainly no surprise that you did that. But it's just. My team felt a little more complete their. Now we've got the lead and What are we going to do with it? Well you're gonNA hopefully which got a seven six lead in this series as offensive as it had been. You know. Wouldn't seem to save so you turn to Dennis Eckersley which Tony Larussa did Just all the time and with complete faith that he was going to get the job done except for that one game in the world series in nineteen eighty eight. He was on to save the seven six lead. That Joe Dimaggio provided with Zach. Lie and with two outs. In the night we had a match up. That really defines what this series is about. You have one of the Games. Great closers against the best pure jeter. Who Ever played the game? Ted Williams to outs nobody on John Miller last of the ninth inning California. The seventy six lead and Dennis Eckersley chew down and nobody on trying to wrap it up here with two strikeouts to Ted Williams. Hey does anybody remember the name? Kurt Gibson anybody thinking about discreet repeating itself here and a big game act with a true strikeout trying to make sure that that does not happen. Piece ask Eckersley to the plate and he struck out swinging. The ball game is over and Northern California. Now has a three games to one lead in the series beating Southern California seventy six and heading now to Ted Williams Hometown San Diego for game five tomorrow and there. You have it a seven six victory northern California's lead in the series. And this is going to be a tough one for the so calcio come. Yeah you know. I'm I'm feeling just awfully good about this knowing that we're gonNA come back home If we need to for the last six and seven in Oakland and San Francisco and Try Not to get Sound too cocky with the with the press afterward you know because I have so much respect but the thing that Eckersley would strike out Ted Williams not just get him out would strike him out to end the game. I'm just feeling like our team is a little bit overwhelming for them. Yeah and and really what you should have done was invited some of the reporters into the room who wrote stories doubting your ability to win this series and just by moon them or something like that. I mean that really would be a a classic managerial move. But you're too classy for that. Well they're they're quiet for now. I just hope that continues. Yeah like you said Game five would. This'll be the last game that will be played in southern California. It's going to shift to Petco Park. And we're also were shifting out Ted Williams hometown. So I'm sure he's going to be he's going to be really up for it Interesting pitching matchup With the hardest. Throwers who ever played the game. You got game one winner Randy Johnson. He's GonNa be pitching for the series championship for the knockouts on. He's going to be going on normal. Rest so you've managed this very well. So are notwithstanding Dave Stewart. Getting roughed up a little bit In in this game but You're going to have a Randy Johnson on normal risks and he's going to go against game two loser Walter Johnson. Who's pitching short rest? And I mean. That's what pitchers did in nineteen thirteen. So I don't think you can go into this game assuming that You know Walter. Johnson is his arm is GonNa fly off just because he's pitching short rest. I mean this is really long restaurant. Isn't it yeah it really is? I mean you know. We don't have the off days. Which is why pitchers routinely worked on three days rest with the travel and the world series. You Pitch Games one four and seven. I'm I'm kind of keeping that. That thought the two of US managers here the go with a three man. It's it's it's it's two days on the calendar but in reality if it were a real world series it would be. You'd be working on three days rest. We're just going with the three man rotation thought You know keep that old style which that was the case in world series for a million years and you know a lot of guys did come back on literally on two days. Rest Mickey Low. It'S GROVER CLEVELAND. Alexander Sandy Colfax. It actually happened quite a bit. Nate Lubar debt so We'll we'll just see how this goes. Okay and Walter. Johnson's are they used to have two men rotations in the world series so This will not be unusual for him. So thank you again. Reuss Jenkins the manager of the Northern California team in this golden greats world series. We'll talk to you After game five you might champagne on your head. You might not so good luck in the game San Diego every. Thank you for listening. Each sure to subscribe to the giants splash for as plus podcast. You can hear future recaps from this golden greats world series.
Marty Appel 7-14-19
"Good Morning New York. This is the cats roundtable John Katzman T._D.'s here Sunday morning again Sunday mornings to do new things. Let your mind wander with us. This morning is a historian. One of the New York Yankees famous historian Mardi Appel he started nineteen seventy-three spent ten years with the Yankees and went on Good morning money. How this morning excellent thank you? I hope you same for you now. You wrote a book on New York Yankees and you spent a lot of time with them. Tell us you know I grew up with the Yankees. I grew up with the Yankees when there were no max so I was always Joe Dimaggio Mickey Mantle I can name you to sixty two nineteen sixty two starting lineup Mickey Mantle Incentive Hector Lopez in or the right and and was it left right Harris was in right Roger Marriage was in right Tony Kubeck shortstop Moose Karen first base <hes> Bobby Richardson on second and clete Boyer on Third Third Yogi Berra catching your too good for me. You're the historian not me. I love the Yankees. Tell us about you stories about the Yankees well. I was fortunate. I actually started in one thousand nine hundred sixty sixty eight. I was hired to answer Mickey Mantles Fan Mail. He was not attending to it. It was his final season and the Yankees P._R.. Director Bob official knew that male needed to be answered so I had written. The Leonard Looking for summer job from college <hes> I got hired on the basis of an interview in that letter and that launched a career which to this day kind of identifies me people know me as though the guy that worked for the Yankees Linke's later on I <hes> produced their telecasts on channel eleven in New York and <hes> have always had an affiliation with them now. I wrote a book a few years ago called Pinstripe Empire which was the definitive history of the franchise back to its origins and <hes> we had a book party that Nicholas and Lens through on the West Side and you came to the Book Party. I'll never forget that all the away in the west side all away. Oh tell me your best Yankee Story. All my best Yankee story was just getting to know Mickey Mantle. I mean I grew up in New York. He was boyhood hero hero as he was to so many baby boomers in the fifties and he just had that Hollywood glamour about him. Even in a <hes> off shucks kind of way so I was doing his fan mail and there was really nothing he needed to see but I would always manage to save up two or three letters that I had to go over with him personally so he saw right through me any kind of laughed when he'd see me coming because he knew I didn't really need his inputs but reformed a friendship out of that and it lasted through his life he died in nineteen ninety four and I would always say my God Mickey Mantle knows my name Wow. I can't say that I met him a couple of times. Times but I never knew my name I guess he already just couldn't pronounce it. I remember nineteen sixty sixty two when Roger Marriage had sixty one home runs and Mickey Mantle hit fifty four sixty one sixty one in sixty one easy to remember those great memories. I I really enjoyed growing up with them. The Hall of fame we've just Mariana Rivera marriages got into it and I met him a few times and he got in it. I heard that it was unanimous. Yes he was the first player ever elected unanimously and you know we're talking Babe Bruce and ty Cobb and Joe Dimaggio and Ted Williams Sandy Colfax none of them were unanimous until Maryono Rivera so what an honor for him and what a weekend it's going to be in Cooperstown <hes> <hes> they may have their biggest crowd ever and <hes> it's it's thrilling and as you know as a prelude to that weekend I'm going to be speaking at the Emerson resort and SPA halfway to cooperstown from New York <hes> not far from Albany a lot of central New York baseball fans are GONNA come and we're just GonNa have an evening of talking baseball this coming Wednesday at the Emerson. Wow that's terrific. What is your best George Steinbrenner story and I tell you in line after that you know what John People always ask me about working for George Steinbrenner and my answer was greatly helped? In the nineties in the late eighties <hes> with the Seinfeld show 'cause I could answer to say it's just like on Seinfeld. I was George Costanza so <hes> the portrayal was closer to accurate accurate then people would imagine he was a dynamo. I went to work for him. When he bought the team he was only forty two years old so he was really full of energy then and my God he loved the the Yankees and he wanted to win so badly that all the prophets that he made he divided up to two degree among the shareholders of the team has partners but he put most of that profit back against the team always looking to signs star players glamour players the theater owner Jimmy neater lander was one of his partners and neater lander told him when he bought the team New York likes big stars? Make sure you always going after the biggest so he did starting with Reggie Jackson and <hes> that was that's his greatest legacy. I think that he put his profits back into the team. Always wanted to give the fans a winner. I'm story I I was built as he was one of my best friends and he was one of my mentors and on nine ten we were in steinburner sweet and holy cow who knew what was going the happened than evening of nine and built for gays home burnt down that night to and he had to run home well. That's my sorry that is quite a story also at that game by the way was John F. Kennedy.
I-5 Series Game 6 Postgame Show
"I, all Henry Shulman air with a recap of game. Six of the interstate five world series, and not a fun one for the team of Northern California greats, the nor cows were three out from the first interstate five pile with Dennis Eckersley on the mound be hundred dollar, a bottle champagne on ice clubs in the home clubhouse at the coliseum had all the lockers covered with plastic for a celebration, and it was a celebration that didn't happen. Fred. Lynn's two run double off. Act tied the game three three in the night and southern, California wanted with a grand slam in the tent by Eddie Mathews off Dave Stewart good for seven to three victory, so the nor Kaos three two one series lead has gone the golden greats world. Series comes down to game seven oracle par a contest that they never thought they would say lefty Gomez certainly was the pitching star of the series after tossing six hundred innings of shutout relief into free, he blank southern, California for seven innings in game six, and got the nor cows through a even with bobby bonds hitting a homer. Homer for the first southern California run, so we bring in northern California manager Bruce, Jenkins and Bruce some of these pitching decisions of yours have have not worked out I mean, and this has been an offensive series, so it really has been tough I think in a lot of cases to pick these pitchers on. You didn't let lefty Gomez finish a jam, and you instead went for Eckersley. Who Blew the save? And then you brought? David Stewart in Dave Stewart in for redemption in the tenth inning after poor performances, a starter in game four and that turned disastrous. Let let's start with the decision to go to Eckersley at. Eight. Innings Lefty Gomez. Throwing one run ball what went into that decision well? I went against my basic nature there Henry. If somebody's pitching a Jim, the ratings and looks like he's in control I'm always once. I WANNA. Leave a man. I hate to see managers. Take out a guy who's throwing well because he's throwing a hundred pitches if you throw ninety nine by God, we're going to bring it back out there anyway. I like to see guys. Finish what they start, but here we are three outs away. Left going on short rest, and when you've got eckersley to close it out I I just you know that that's what I chose to do. I think either way I can live with it either I certainly can live with bringing Eckersley to close out the series. Okay, so that's not a decision. You lose sleep over right now. Not at all okay I mean. Mean Dennis Eckersley one of the great closers of all time and he had a two run lead. Even had you know a run to work with Abu Get to Stewart in in just a bit Let's go back a little bit earlier. This was a one nothing game in the seventh inning. A Ken Kennedy added RBI triple in the fourth against Jim Palmer. So. It was one nothing in the seventh when Joe Dimaggio came to the plate with a man on against Palmer and provided a swing that pushed the nor cows that much closer to the title. John Miller has the call so now jolt Joe Dimaggio to the plate for the man aboard here in the last of the seven, still only one to nothing nor cow, leading and Jim Palmer stood on the mound, having an outstanding night. Joe Basho one of the all time greats ten. Series! He played in and his team. The Yankees one nine of those ten, but he's kind of a quiet sherry so far. Palmer ready about. And he throws. A high drive the center field. That one is hit pretty well. Going way back there do Snyder. He's at the warning track. He's at the wall. Is. A homerun. Tell Dimaggio with a two run homer over the Centerfield Wall who had the coliseum over the four hundred foot sign, and it is three nothing. Nor Cow. Okay, now it's three now that you have a three nothing lead, it's. You know there's there's only. A couple minutes left here in this game and you know even with the even with the offensive nature of the series I'm imagining that with a three nothing lead. At lefty Gomez pitching the way. He's going Dennis Eckersley in your holster I mean. Did you start to think about that champagne at all? I was thinking more Tang. Tang in case we were gonNA. Go to game seven. No No, no cockiness there but to see Dimaggio. Come to life like that was really invigorating. It felt like it put up ten nothing. It felt so good. He hasn't had a great offensive series, but He was about to make a play that made me feel even better about it. And it just look really good at that point. Yeah, I it just I mean it three nothing lead with the kind of pitching. You have like we're talking about. just sounded just sounded kind of impenetrable impenetrable, so you have Dennis Eckersley on the mound three one lead. The problem is that. The one of the guys he had to face in the ending was the guy who has taken over the series. Offensively I mean. It was just the bad fortunate Eckersley had faces former as teammate Mark Maguire and Maguire came up there and he he get a double, and maybe was rattled a little bit He didn't usually walk is, but he walked Eddie Mathews to now. There's two on at southern California. Manager Houston Mitchell. What turned out to be a genius move. He had Fred Lynn. Bat for Robin Yount that moves surprise you a little bit. Well a little bit I mean Frank Robinson once told me that Robin. Yount in one, thousand, nine, hundred, two, which is a year we have. Had the greatest series ever seen by shortstop, and he wound up being an outfielder after that but Fred Lynn in his early days with the red sox was like a revelation. You know tremendous left hand hitter made spectacular catches ran into walls, Fan favourite. So, what are you going, do we? You know if you're playing the righty lefty thing? He's left knee coming up against act so a little bit, but it, but it was part of the deal is at Houston like like I I was trying to do is trying to get guys in the game and boy he he made A. Gutsy move there. It kinda paid off. So what is land do? He hits a two run double. The ties the game three all now I. Know You don't believe in momentum bruce, but following the Lynn double. There was a play that seemed to shift tied back to northern California's favor. Some McGraw is on the mound. Tony. gwynn is at the plate and he hits. What looks to be go ahead single, but Joe Dimaggio had other ideas southern. California staying alive two runs in here in the ninth inning, three three time tug McGraw from the bullpen to face Tony Gwynn now with Lynn, the possible. Go ahead run at second base. And? Here's McGraw the left-hander to the Left. Handed batting, Gwen. Grin hits a line drive up. The Middle Base headed a Centerfield Lynch coming around third. He's going to be way home tonight. Show. He's got a great aunt. Comes up throwing. A perfect one hops throw to the plate. It's going to be close and he is. The Great Tag after the grades. Role Ernie Long Bond. Is used, and we put up a road block, blocking off men from the place, and that the game tied Joe Dimaggio who've had quite a game. He nor town from falling behind here in the night. Well, that's not a bad center fielder. You have their bruce. Dimaggio charged that ball came up throwing. Threw a perfect strike to home to nail him and oh. Man, you talk about momentum, wh when I say I don't believe in it I believe in like the next day. You don't have any momentum from the day before, but it during a game i. absolutely believe in it. And when Dimaggio threw him out like that, I just felt like okay, you know bobby bonds was retired. Retired to end that inning, we got out of it. We go to extras, and I'm just thinking Dimaggio between the Homerun and that great and I still like we're we're. We're going here. And I was just thinking to imagine if you're a fan in in in the Coliseum, and this is the first chance you've had to see Joe Dimaggio play to see him do what he did so well. Not only at the plate, but in the field I think that that would be a moment. I would I would never ever forget just good. Yeah, and you know when he did that. Houston Mitchell's like how how great is this? It went against him. I said that several times when things went well for him. You'll see idea beast, guys you're. You're managing these guys and seeing what they're doing and so many great scenarios. Presented themselves, and it got to be more about just a pure enjoyment of the game then by God. I'm GonNa crush you hear Nortel the way I mean. That was part of it, but just the the players involved in able to manage him kind of. Everything emotionally. Yeah, and you know that play that. Dimaggio made throwing out. Redland might have had a small effect on what happened in the tenth inning, but eventually worked out for the so cows anyway what happened. Was that You know the Clicquot or the? I don't know the Arco Brand. Champagne had long been removed from the home dugout out that it was now that it was three three and McGraw's Dylan the game, and the southern California's at the top of the load the bases off McGraw. Now you made a decision and to bring in Dave Stewart to face Maguire and I mean that right there. You would think might have. Created the hit that puts this game in so cal favor now, mcgwire hit a fly ball to center Jackie Robinson. As fast as he was didn't test Maggio's arm and I guess with nobody out. There was no real reason to, but that really is kind of a respect for Dimaggio's Armand in what we saw the evening before, right? Absolutely once again you know Dimaggio's rising to the occasion and you know with Stuart there. You know we're in Oakland. Maguire's coming off He's had the better of Stewart and you know. I talked Dave Are you ready to pitch released and He especially wanted this moment and by God. I went with him there when he got Maguire on the fly ball I'm thinking. You know, thank you. However the double a double plane. You're out of it and you have the momentum now in, but that's not what happened Eddie Mathews step to the plate. That baby faced assassin. From the braves, and here's John Miller, letting you know what happened such tension, such drama tenth inning here at the Coliseum in game six, three, two three, the score days Stewart brought in from the bullpen in such a tight spot after tug, McGraw walked the bases loaded with one. He did get maguire on a shallow fly ball to Santa, but now here's Eddie Mathews. Mathews three-man men on two men out Matthews twelve time star. Five hundred twelve home runs one of the greatest slugging third baseman in major league history, and here is stu to Eddie Mathews and there's a swing on long drive deep in the center field. Way Back Goes Dimaggio. He's gliding back to the warning track and get out. Arrive Brag, grandma, it's grand. Salami time. Eddie bathrooms with a Grand Slam the tenth and southern. California has as seven to three lead. So that's it a grand slam by Eddie Mathews. A Four four-run victory for southern California, and now the series is all tied up at three games apiece and I have to think now that even though the game is at home. It's going to be at Oracle Park. You have to think that maybe. Maybe the the momentum that you don't believe in actually on the southern California side on the other hand. You're putting the series in the hands of Tom Seaver, and as we as we know, he had a three hit complete game in in game. Two and he's GonNa. Face Don Drysdale who was the game, went loser and didn't have a great game on. You feel pretty good about that matter. Now I feel really good about it Tom seaver pitching for me. You know we the are. Bats did not go quiet in in game six. The maggio came to life The mood in the clubhouses is good. It's upbeat. It was a tough tough hang. Right off the Bat, it was pretty crushing, but a few minutes went by. Guys are going. We're looking good here. Let's look around this clubhouse. We're GONNA take it tomorrow at Oracle. And Save the embarrassment of blowing a three one way all right well. One game left in the Golden Greats series. Here I mean you couldn't have asked for more from a competitive standpoint and we'll talk to you after game seven, Bruce. You Bet mccord to Henry. Thank you for listening. 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Chapter Seven: Countdown To Murder
"Things are going when they started pushing her away especially bobby. She was bitter. She was mad. She felt she'd been used and abused used by everybody. In Hollywood and show business as she wanted vengeance. I also think she wanted a whole new start her life almost spiritual russell overload just couldn't cope wanted a complete change of her life was willing to throw in the whole bag caboodle miss your anonymity. Did you miss being able to go out and not be recognized and Gulf places south as it used to be famous so no one would pay attention to. I know in a way however I'm terribly grateful for everything that's happened because I remember when things went like this at all but you do miss sometimes just being able to be completely yourself someplace placing people just know you as another human being welcome to episode seven of the killing of Marilyn Monroe. I'm your host Jackie Moran in previous episodes. We've seen how the most famous woman in the world became a pawn in the power games of men. She could not control and how her position. Shen as lover of presidents mob bosses rap packers and communist sympathizers put her in the center of a deadly web of deceit intrigue and Conspiracy Chrissy. She knew things that she wasn't supposed to know okay. She wrote things down in the diary. That would have been very incriminating for high level. People people many people. I don't know Bobby. Kennedy had a motive because he's had a love affair. The doctor could've had a reason the people up in the county of the undesirable Mafia. People could have had a reason to in this episode. We will examine Maryland's turbulent last days as she struggled with drink drugs and depression was fired from her final film and and face rejection from the man she loved and ultimately will see how a degrading ordeal during which she was passed around room leering mobsters at a party hosted stood by Frank Sinatra proved to be the tragic stars final Straw and sealed her fate is take care not to be discounted at all not be pushed away in the corner. I think law and the only thing that really happen to us and everything else doesn't really matter by the summer of nineteen sixty two Maryland's personal life was in a mess a situation that was not helped by increasing reliance on prescription drugs doctors would give her you pick me ups and and also put you to sleep. She was on that cycle and it can be deadly cycle. She seems to sank that she had control over what she was taking. Elvis Presley problems too. Is that why I'm not a drug addict. Here's a prescription drugs. I don't have a drug problem. A doctor gave his Jimmy but if Maryland Orland had been popping pills for most of her career her consumption at this time increased dramatically and she was now in the habit of chasing the drugs down with champagne of course when you're in a crisis in your life you're going to take the more because you're having trouble sleeping more relaxing and functioning so yeah. I think her pill take take opt in those final months but it wasn't new to her. I mean by then. She had such a high resistance. Never particularly stable even during the best of times Maryland had become spectacularly erratic during the final days and weeks of her life. She's increase your intake of pills and alcohol and had been increasingly creasing. Lee Willing to talk to any of dozens of the writers and columnists who followed her deterioration with avid interest to the public she was still Maryland and the unassailable and glamorous movie star and the world's most lusted after woman in private. She was having a crisis. She was afraid trade of going crazy which is kind of the way she put it. She had this history of mental illness. She didn't seem to inherit some of the worst aspects of it. She wasn't schizophrenic like her mother and her uncle were but she definitely struggled with depression and anxiety in nineteen sixty sixty one sixty to a woman who turned thirty five was considered over the hill or or close to it so for the world's love goddess the most beautiful woman in the world to turn thirty five. Her press took a turn rather than saying. She's the hottest thing in pictures. She's the ultimate and feminity they started saying. How much longer could she go on. She's thirty five. She still looks good but she can't pull it off so much long. It terrified her because all the love that she received in her career all the money all the attention all luke film roles at Wofford. Her were based solely on her beauty when she felt that she might be losing it. It was almost unbearable to her. As Maryland's depression worsened she began relying on her sessions with psychiatrists. Dr Dr Ralph Greenspan a situation complicated by the fact that she was also sleeping with him. She was obviously astoundingly beautiful. She was also very we needed and she was very damaged. Person I can see very easily where Maryland had become very disillusioned with Hollywood with her career with everyone wanting something from her. She was someone who was signed to a studio contract at an early early age and came a huge star and was still vastly underpaid. Even though she was one of the hugest movie stars in all Hollywood she's I'm one who tried to be shrewd about her business dealings but changed always be the victim of the pawn of the men in her life life and I think that it was crippling to her. How darker thought to are and how unhappy her life was because she had to face the camera and be the the woman that the world desired became a tremendous pressure for her have feeling him? Dave there. She thinks off only only era claiming this was not Marilyn's first mental health crisis a year your earlier shortly after filming misfits and following her divorce from Arthur Miller she had even been committed to an institution when that movie was finished and opened it flopped and her marriage broke up she went into. I think one of the deepest darkest orcas depressions when her friends heard this they were alarmed they knew that she had a history of having suicidal thoughts and so they told her to her psychiatrist and the Psychiatrist Kyrgyz became alarmed and said Oh Maryland. I'm GonNa put you in the hospital for a nice long rest that Maryland said that's the ticket that's just what I need. I need to be in the hospital and we'd be pampered and taking care of not knowing that they were really bringing her to a mental institution on the floor for the dangerously insane turned into something that included electroshock it. It was much more profound in deep and scary than she thought it would be. She was committed to a mental institution straitjacketed the whole bit and she it was just completely like a prisoner they had like an animal and she wasn't insane and she knew that she could talk here only but they just wouldn't give her a chance to explain herself. Were they kept her drugged when sympathetic nurse smuggled her a piece of paper and Pencil and she wrote Joe Dimaggio on it and then the nurse Puerto or phone. Is You call Joe and said you. GotTa get me out of here. Please get me out of here. Marylin and Joe Dimaggio had been divorced for six years but when she needed him he dropped everything for her. It was he who roared down to wherever she is being housed and using his status strong loud man and as they celebrity in his own right demanded that she'd be released. He had no power to get her out of there really by Joe Dimaggio was there and he was blustering around and he said if I don't get get my wife out of here I'm GonNa take this hospital apart brick by brick and he got her out of there. He got out the next day. Actually Davey return hurt to him and the rest of her life she saw was a kind of Guardian in the spring of nineteen sixty two Maryland garland began shooting a new movie co starring Dean Martin Instead Cherise. Something's gotta give was a lightweight romantic comedy and was supposed to herald her return to box office success after the disappointment of the misfits but the problems were there from the start the last film she worked on her. Co Star was Dean Martin Mhm was of course best friends with Frank Sinatra so there's a whole incestuous circle with this group and I think she found yourself in the middle of that. She was always very insecure. Insecure her work but now because they were starting to say that she was at a tender age she was even more hesitant to face the cameras because there was so much pressure on look good take total. Sometimes you know the work is so you try to be true you so you feel sometimes. It's on the verge of kind of craziness but it didn't really craziness. It's really getting true part of itself. Oh goodness very hard. You know I mean it's not easy on the very first day of Production Maryland in came down with a sinus infection and could not make it on set it began a pattern that saw the troubled star take long absences from filming citing poor health and when she was is there her behavior was a radic she was showing up less and less on the film and the studio is getting more and more frustrated with her because she was causing send them a lot of money. I mean every time she didn't show up. Everybody's salary had to be paid in their losing another day. Maryland was unstable. Even the best of circumstances under the pressure of her falling and failing movie career with the understanding that some has got to give wasn't going well. She who's even more unstable than usual eventually on June eighth one week. After Maryland turned thirty six she was in Hollywood. Speak released from the project. They actually fired her right after her thirty sixth birthday to this represents a sad end to a sparkling career. Not everyone thinks so now. Here's celebrity biographer mark be go of course there's a lot of speculation to about that last movie. I was just watching recently of it's where she's in the swimming pool and in seems with Wally Cox and with Dean Martin and she seems not to be this lost person person that everyone is painting her as being circa nineteen sixty two. She seems someone who's very on top of her game. She was surrounded by a lot of people who was she wanted to have helped her career and Marilyn herself wasn't about to take her dismissal lying down in the the days that followed she gave defiant interviews to life cosmopolitan and vogue magazines and by the end of June twentieth century Fox not only relented and rehired hired her but did so on improved terms. Maryland wasn't beat yet. She was in a happiest moods the last weeks of her life life because she just signed a new contract with twentieth century. They were going to lease on domain. Something's gotta give she's got a more money like she. Ah before filming could recommence however Maryland was to undergo an ordeal so degrading that it can only be compared to the abuse she had received as a child in foster care and the worst thing was it came at the hands of those she had thought of as friends on the weekend of July twenty eighth the last weekend of Maryland's life Frank Sinatra invited her to his Lake Tahoe resort the CAL Neva Lodge present one way or another would be all the key players ars in the deadly game of power leverage and betrayal that had come to define Maryland's love life Frank Sinatra. He wanted to renovate the challenge of a lodge during the renovations. They may tunnels underneath the Casino for the reason why the tunnels were built love was because the FBI was watching that place constantly. You cannot have people that are undesirable frequent that casino or Frank Sinatra would lose his license so people used to walk in there in the sky ice and then they would go downstairs into the tunnel and this guy's off and they you can have meetings there mafia meetings of or whatever what was going on there Sinatra had told Maryland he wanted to discuss a movie project but his real intentions were very different. He was acting on behalf of Mafia boss. Sam Giancana and they plan to use Maryland's Orleans weekend at CAL Neva for altogether more sinister purposes. Here's Johnny Russo Godfather actor and former employees of mob boss Frank Costello who was was present at the cow Neva that weekend. He talks us through just what happened. I was in lake. Tahoe that weekend again to be the is in is Mr Castello when Sam Giancana and Sinatra was commanded. It's bring everybody there. She went up to the county and there was was a wild potty that went on that weekend a lot of these Chicago Ma people with with the they had her room setup they needed round Marla because we're gonNA use Mallon as deploy exploiting Sinatra's connection to the Kennedys through Peter Lawford Giancana had also arranged arrange for JFK bobby even father Joe Kennedy to come for the weekend with Maryland's room wired with hidden cameras they plan to secure the ultimate hold over the family patriarch who had done a deal with the mafia to secure the presidency in exchange for a promise to take back the mobs Cuban Casinos GonNa to try to set her Bobby Kennedy and John. They want to catch the two boys Mara. One more time and then threaten them with bat blackmail because nobody's going to vote for a Catholic president cheating on his wife with Malibu Monroe and the brother Bobby. They thought we'd photograph Mallard with John and Bobby but John didn't go something happened. Heating Come Joe Came Joe Oh and Bobby Cave so that's that whole meeting was about but they wanted to do with their way and blackmail him shown the pitches now now invade Cuba kill Cuba Maryland had become the victim of her desperate need for powerful powerful men as lovers Frank Sinatra Sam Giancana the Kennedys plus in all likelihood J. Edgar Hoover listening in too so what do Maryland do she. She did what she had done. As a lonely foster child as a wannabe model as a casting couch starlet she dug in and fought back row away crazy some got goal for this and she went bananas. She's going public with this. Bobby was with it but you could hear the next night that she was screaming. I'm Outta Outta here. I WanNa part of this Mattia. I'm going public screw. You Kennedy's the real horror was still to come however the mobsters may not have gotten the blackmail pictures they wanted but they did have a distraught emotionally vulnerable Marilyn Monroe at their disposal. It was the situation they exploited in the worst way. Imaginable Marilyn Monroe was afraid for a life situation where where it got a hand. Marilyn Monroe was taken advantage of she was physically taken advantage of by people she was drug bad a wild royal hoti off their Maryland was in a message he was drinking a lot and taking a lot of pills and she even overdose that night they recovered her in desperation Spiratou in Maryland turned to the one man who had always rescued her the only man who had ever loved her unconditionally next thing you know she calls Joe Dimaggio's in San Francisco and she has Joe Dimaggio coming together and he didn't this time not uneven. Tilton joke could save her photographers. Wife told me this and he's a a well known photographer. His wife told me that the pictures were Marilyn was down on her hands and knees and Sam Giancana was riding a horse a degrading position for Maryland to being Maryland Harland left the cal Neva Lodge humiliated and degraded by Sam Giancana and his mom buddies betrayed by Frank Sinatra abandoned by Joe Dimaggio and with of her relationship with Bobby Kennedy in shambles. The Mafia didn't get their photos but for Giancana. The job was as good as done anyway. Maryland had threatened Bobby Kennedy to his face she had finally had enough. She was going public. She flailed out sometimes eventually in ways that made in her in many ways the most dangerous woman in America. I think Marilyn Monroe was just at that point tired of being used and I think that John F. Kennedy Robert Kennedy may have said things to Marilyn Monroe things. They probably should not have told Marilyn Monroe I think at that point she just so so angry. She felt like she's being used that she told them. I'm going to go to the news tomorrow and tell them everything. Bobby Kennedy was nobody's fool around around with knowing her when she said I'm going to the press. I'm going to disclose you well. That's taking those pitches yeah I. I think there's thing human being case as I think is in myself. I also want again. All agape died. I mean Thad side and I think with people on but there is something pupil they want. They need talk to next time on the killing of Marilyn Monroe Marilyn Monroe. We all well no had tried to commit suicide a few times every single time. She wrote a letter. There was no letter there was no glass waterford even swallow anything. He claims when he answered Roman rose bedrooms. The area looked like it was staged was not the a normal suicide victim in Washington J. Edgar Hoover Director of the FBI told his chief aide Clyde Tolson and other agents that although he felt Maryland had been murdered he did not plan to launch an investigation. 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I-5 Series Game 4 Postgame Show
"Sports fans on Henry Schulman here host the recap of game. Four the interstate five world series. Which is now northern California's to lose after seven six. Come from behind victory over the southern California's Angel Stadium the nor cows. Now have a three to one lead in the best of seven golden greats world series so the so cows have their work cut out for them only six of forty six teams to fall behind three to one and a world series of Comeback Win and a comeback is the game four story. Northern California was down sixty four in the seventh inning when Garrett Cole trying to rebound from a terrible relief appearance in game one allowed a two run Ricky Henderson. Travolta tie the game jolt and Joe Dimaggio. Then got ricky home with a sacrifice fly for a seventy six lead for the northerns and that's where it stayed and then in what had to be one of the great encounters of this series or any series. Dennis ECKERSLEY got the save by striking out Ted Williams to end the game. Which I'm sure made Ted Williams extraordinarily pleasant Afterwards Barry Bonds hit his fifth home. Run of this interstate five series but he was outdone by mark. Maguire who had a pair of homers off. Stewart is former Oakland a's teammate Henderson. Also had a two run homer that was off Stephen Strasburg and had four. Rbi's on the day we bring in the genius. Northern California manager Bruce Jenkins who chose Stewart to start his first game of the series overusing Randy Johnson on short rest and You know that the move didn't exactly pay off right there So what can you tell us about that? Stuart start it really didn't You know I would have thought that if Stewart was pitching Mark Maguire. At anytime that he would have the upper hand. I just think Stewart was the better man. Maguire's a hell of a man but Dave Stewart was sort of a different caliber and well Maguire. Let him up twice. And in the time the in between those home runs Stewart Walked him didn't want any part of him. So that's my obsession with Dave Stewart. Ardley workout out and it's now vanished but somehow we still win the game. Yeah ammunition to the to the great offense. I mean both of these teams. Look I mean you look at the offense team and and you almost hate to be pitcher looking at these rosters You know this is one of those. You know. Sometimes pitchers won't Watch the other teams adding practice. Certain pitchers over the years would do it just so they could get a feel for what the you know the hitters have in this one if I were a pitcher in this series whether I was strasburger steward or Walter Johnson. Whatever I I'd be cowering in the shower having a beer I mean I it just it. Just t top line all the way round. Yeah I you know I if I were at the park in any capacity I wouldn't miss any moments of any of either team's batting practice. You mentioned Ted Williams sickness. Tony Gwynn George Brad. All the different approaches. You know bonds just You know Jimmy rollins anybody Keith Hernandez So it's an here comes Harry. Hyland look at a four hundred hitter from nineteen twenty three. So yeah. It's that sort of thing and and you know to say that Stewart was a disgrace. Just can't say that about anybody who doesn't succeed in this series. No and you know Randy. Johnson gave up five runs when he had an eleven. Nothing lead in in Game One Garrett Cole who's fantastic fantastic pitcher Really having trouble in in this series so Yeah you can't hold your head down in fact a knowing what offenses you have If you just keep the team in the game away day Stewart did that you're gonNA have a chance to to pitch them to a help them get to a victory So we. This was our first really game of this series where it was a comeback? I mean this has been a series of Teams taking the home team's taking an early lead and You know just sort of writing it on onto win so This was a different kind of game and it started the same way yet. A two run homer by Mark Maguire in the first inning than Eddie Eddie Mathews In the third Australia two run homer gave the so callous a four to one lead and if the game said on true to form that might have been in in so it would be a marching towards the victory to give them a to split in the series the northern Californians needed a jolt to get back into the game And Ricky Henderson gave them that with a two run homer in the cut. The lead to four three against Stephen Strasburg So it was anybody's game. At that point we moved to the bottom of the fifth. Dave Stewart is on the mound Ted Williams on first base after a walk. Nothing surprising there up steps Mark Maguire. Who already has a two run homer in the game? And here's John Miller to tell us what happened so here. They are again matched up. These old teammates Dave Stewart and big. Mac McGuire already took indeed with two run homer in the first inning in this game. It's tour walk in the next time. Ted Williams at I four to three southern California leading and STU delivers Maguire blast one deep in the right center field. This has a chance way back there and long gone six three southern California second home run of the game for mark. Maguire Gins gave stool now. It's four three ball game and this is kind of a slug fest And I I would imagine that as a manager in a four three game this early in a game yet. Little nervous that This thing could get out of hand. Reuss well I am totally nervous. I'm waiting for for Ted Williams to explode waiting for Ralph Kiner to come off the bench in in in the nineteen fifties when he was the greatest power hitter the National League and I was That was pretty much nervous the whole time and I know Houston was to looking at the top of my order not to mention some of the guys coming off the bench so You know there are times where Houston. I just sort of marveled at the the situation that was in Toronto bus bonds coming up. They're down four with a chance of a slam to tie it. And the way this game ended so That's that was a big part of it. Just sort of the magnificence of the matchups well Speaking of magnificence watching Ricky Henderson get into that Crouch and explode on the baseball The power that Ye generated Was Behold and the your team the northern. Californians really needed him to do just that it's the seventh inning now and it northern California is now six four and Houston Mitchell manager. The so cal he turned to Garrett Cole which was a gutsy move because a coal was not good in game. One he gave up five runs in relief of Their starter who was Don Drysdale And so a couple of names. We haven't really heard in this series so far. Willie McGee Jimmy Rollins to great guys from the East Bay. They put runners on first and third get on base with singles That brings Ricky Henderson to the play to on in a two run game. John Miller tells us what happened to Menon Garrett Cole in a tight spot here. Top of the seven and six to four lead for southern California Ricky Henderson with lots of speed out there. Willie McGee had second Jimmy Rollins. At first and of course ricky as fast as anybody at the plate. Here's coal trying to settle in. And he throws ricky swings and he lines down the line. It is a fair ball. It will richocheting all the way into the right field corner. Mcgee races around Third Hill scored. Easily rollins racing around third. He's heading home and he will score the throw heading toward third Henderson with a safe. A two run triple for Ricky Henderson and that has tied the game at six. All right. It's now a tie game Joe. Dimaggio comes up and of course you know Joe Dimaggio was one of the great contact hitters of all time only needed to do was get a ball into the outfield and To get ricky home and he did and now at seven to sixty cows and At that point you must've been. You must have been thrilled because I mean there really had not been any kind of shifts in momentum's game right now there hadn't and Joe Maggio hadn't done much in the series but there's something about him you don't just say well. I'M GONNA sit you down I. It's a tough one some people. Yeah but I wasn't going to do that. And here. He finally comes through with a big sacked. Fly Right and certainly no surprise that you did that. But it's just. My team felt a little more complete their. Now we've got the lead and What are we going to do with it? Well you're gonNA hopefully which got a seven six lead in this series as offensive as it had been. You know. Wouldn't seem to save so you turn to Dennis Eckersley which Tony Larussa did Just all the time and with complete faith that he was going to get the job done except for that one game in the world series in nineteen eighty eight. He was on to save the seven six lead that Joe Dimaggio provided with sacked. Fly and with two outs. In the night we had a match up. That really defines what this series is about. You have one of the Games. Great closers against the best pure jeter. Who Ever played the game? Ted Williams to outs nobody on John Miller last of the ninth inning California. The seventy six lead and Dennis Eckersley chew down and nobody on trying to wrap it up with two strikeouts to Ted Williams. Hey does anybody remember the name? Kurt Gibson anybody thinking about discreet repeating itself here and a big game act with a true strikeout trying to make sure that that does not happen. Piece ask Eckersley to the plate and he struck out swinging. The ball game is over and Northern California. Now has a three games to one lead in the series beating Southern California seventy six and heading now to Ted Williams Hometown San Diego for game five tomorrow and there. You have it a seven six victory northern California's lead in the series. And this is GonNa be a tough one for the so cal. So yeah you know. I'm I'm feeling just awfully good about this knowing that we're gonNA come back home If we need to for the last six and seven in Oakland and San Francisco and Try Not to get Sound too cocky with the with the press afterward you know because I have so much respect but the thing that Eckersley would strike out Ted Williams not just get him out would strike him out to end the game just feeling like our team is a little bit overwhelming for them. Yeah and in really what you should have done was invited some of the reporters into the room who wrote stories doubting your ability to win this series and just by moon them or something like that. I mean that really would be a a classic managerial move. But you're too classy for that. Well they're they're quiet for now. I just hope that continues. Yeah like you said Game five would. This'll be the last game that will be played in southern California. It's going to shift to Petco Park. And we're also were shifting out to Ted Williams hometown. So I'm sure he's going to be he's going to be really up for it Interesting pitching matchup Who the hardest? Throwers who ever played the game. You got game one winner Randy Johnson. He's GonNa be pitching for the series championship for the knockouts on. He's going to be going on normal. Rest so you've managed this very well. So are notwithstanding Dave Stewart. Getting roughed up a little bit In in this game but You're going to have a Randy Johnson on normal risks and he's going to go against game two loser Walter Johnson. Who's pitching short rest? And I mean. That's what pitchers did in nineteen thirteen. So I don't think you can go into this game assuming that You know Walter. Johnson is his arm is GonNa fly off just because he's pitching short rest. I mean this is really long restaurant. Isn't it yeah it really is? I mean you know. We don't have the off days. Which is why pitchers routinely worked on three days rest with the travel and the world series. You Pitch Games one four and seven. I'm I'm kind of keeping that. That thought the two of US managers here the go with a three man. It's it's it's it's two days on the calendar but in reality if it were a real world series it would be. You'd be working on three days rest. We're just going with the three man rotation thought You know keep that old style which that was the case in world series for a million years and you know a lot of guys did come back on literally on two days. Rest Mickey Low. It'S GROVER CLEVELAND. Alexander Sandy Colfax. It actually happened quite a bit. Nate Lubar debt so We'll we'll just see how this goes. Okay and Walter. Johnson's are they used to have two men rotations in the world series so This will not be unusual for him. So thank you again. Reuss Jenkins the manager of the Northern California team in this golden greats world series. We'll talk to you After game five you might champagne on your head. You might not so good luck in the game San Diego every. Thank you for listening. Each sure to subscribe to the giants splash for as plus podcast. You can hear future recaps from this golden greats world series.
"Sports Talk" Guest Kevin Cook author "Electric October" about the 1947 World Series
"Them to our book talk, talk some vintage baseball now talking about the world series and a great book about the World Series Of one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, seven on the all time, great series. It's called electric October seven world series game six lives in five minutes of fame that lasted forever. We're joined today by the author Kevin Cook on the telephone and Kevin Guitar with you today. In the middle of another electric October, so it's always a good time to be a baseball fan. Yankee game last night I grew up in new. York and I didn't think they'd come back, but what they did so another vintage history of the Yankees last night, right? And it should be an epic series with the with Houston One thing about this season's Yankees is. They can hit home runs with anybody, so you don't know what's GonNa Happen to. strikeouts judge, but he's done. A. True I was really fascinated to to read about the book. I grew up in New York born in Brooklyn, but that was a little bit for my time, but my dad and mom they lived in Brooklyn so. They know new ebbets field well, and I believe. My mother said they actually went to one of those games in one, thousand, nine, forty-seven out to ask her which one she went to, but that really was the first televised world series. Wasn't it forty-seven? Today's viewers would Find it a little hard to follow. Maybe because there was just a stationary camera, the TV screens those days are about the size of a toaster, so the players are install. You're probably seeing it through an appliance store window or in a bar. Because people didn't have TV's. We're still too expensive to have in your home. In most cases so with the stationary camera. A lot of what happened would be Somebody hits the ball, and then all the players run right off the screen. It's a little hard to tell what's going on. and in the sponsorship was interesting, too, but all of these things are coming in the in the postwar years right after World War Two I'll golden age of baseball kicked off by what Joe Dimaggio called the most exciting world series ever. Of course earlier was the first of the Great Jackie. Robinson was in Brooklyn, so you had that going on? And of course, the subway series which New York has had many of those, and that happened as well, and and what you kind of focus on Kevin, which is a little bit interesting. Some of the the names that were involved the two managers, and some of the players that unless you're really Brooklyn. Dodger Fan maybe baseball fans been know a lot about the kind of interesting. How that all work came together back? Then that's true. I think of cookie lava lava had his diehard fans and forty seven, but cookies name is. Not on the tip of baseball, fans, tongues today, even though he's probably better known than algae and Frito or Bill Bevan's or Snuffy, Stern, wise, the other really unlikely stars of the series, one of the things that fascinated me about the ethic forty-seven series was the immortals kind of had to step aside and watch. The mortals takes center stage in in remarkable fashion again and again in in game, four and game six in the. Game and and it. It's interesting to for today's fans I. Think to remember. We're talking about a time. When the entire postseason was the world series, there wasn't here's playoffs yet, so you're only going to get four. To seven games. That's the postseason. It's between teams that have never faced each other most of the time between players who have not faced each other of a fascinating spectacle and. Nothing could have been more exciting than way played out really in forty seven. As we talk today, it's Kober the eleventh twelfth, whatever it is World Service Johnny over. That's true would have been begun the last day of September and and be done with a week this year. Of course we might get a Mr November since game seven. There is one we'll be played on the first of November. Myself kind of being sports testing historian as well you listen to those great old recordings of Red Barber calling the radio call with. Genoa an Frito and you know the great catch out in in left field and Jackie Robinson's courses great play, but that voice red. Barber in New York. He was the voice of Baseball on with Mel Allen, aren't they really was of course. I've listened to both of them. At length and and have to admit a preference for Red Barber, he does sound like the Voice of the Golden Age of baseball to me, and I think some of that has to do with the fact that he was a matter of Vin scully. Who Lines up being you know? I spent some time living in Los Angeles. One of the great treats. That was to be able to listen to Vin, scully. SCULLY call a game. and and barber played an important role in that series in that he called algae and froze miracle catch in game six Dimaggio, it's a rocket to left field and GM Frito a defensive replacement five six, the littlest dodger turns his back on a plate and sprints after it, and he's on the run long enough for barber. Say Back six times back back back back back back. I wind up talking for the book I talked to Chris Berman. Who who was? Listening to he had a record of. Of Great Baseball calls and that was one of them. Chris Berman then stops jeans. The Barbara's called the Jan Fredo catch to his own, Major League Baseball home run call so those. It was I watched A bunch of derbies are very familiar with back back back coming out of Chris Berman's now, but it goes back to Red Barber and Aljian Frito God. Bless Chris Berman. I know he's had a rough time, but boy kind of really ruined that call. Wish! there. People who wished they had not ever heard back And I think Chris is aware of that, but as he said he said. He wasn't a home run. Call. Of course it actually, but he adapted it to one partly. Because if you say back back back back, you can wait and see what happens. had heard Bob Prince calling eight Pittsburgh. Pirates and and prince would often say and look at that when you can kiss it off along every once in a while. Along. About Vince Kelly and he talked about how read, said you not sure look at the outfield, or they'll tell you if it's going to go and watch the outfielder I the ball. That's why he did that. Call Right yes Shannon. So many things you have to Ballpark hollering for a pop up and try to find the ball, and if you watch that outfielder, you're going to know what's happening. Briefly about some of the characters you mentioned the GM Saito and cookie lab ogetto, but the managers Bucky Harris, birdshot. They had interesting careers and you got into that. was that interesting kind of the research on? It was not a lot about them, right? Dairy. Not An awful lot of I mean there. Of course, many many books in in movies about Robinson. And Dimaggio, but not buck heiress, birdshot, and so again. The families were tremendously helpful. It helps me a lot to do with an age of scrapbooks, so if you were a ball player, your family kept a scrapbook in and I. Really Wonder in the future somebody in my position writing a book about this year's playoffs. It's GonNa. Be using might trout's twitter feed or Clayton Kershaw is twitter feed? I guess not drought in this case, but. There, won't be the wealth of information and the families were terrifically helpful Bucky Harris. had been the boy wonder manager of the Washington senators way back in nineteen, twenty four. He's a middle age wonder by by nineteen forty seven and he's going up against Bert shopping who had vowed to his wife that he wouldn't wear a baseball uniform after he retired as a player, so he names the dodgers in a suit and tie. He's still the last manager to do. Do that and I think it was a pretty good idea. Every time I. Watch a ball game it. It looks silly to me that the the heavy set sixty year old manager dressed like he's going to go in and play third base so I like shot into sartorial style. Every other sport hockey coaches lawsuit football. You wear more a sporting close, but not a uniform. Fancy suits, so you're right. It does look odd when when you. Want WanNa, see the knobby knees of the NBA coaches wearing a wearing the. That would look silly. Limited time, but this is kind of an overview. You mentioned the you know. It's post. World War Two everybody was pretty much back from the military, though there were still some serving, but first televised world series that all Kinda congregate together to make this better than maybe people thought it would be I mean it just added more to it. It made a unique story both on and off the field. Fascinating things like the fact that Gillette and Ford sponsored the first telecast, even though they were outbid by Rury for the TV rights, and that's because Baseball Commissioner Happy Chandler. ruled that it would just be unsuitable for a beer to sponsor televise baseball That's certainly one of the things that's changed but not. The whole country was was paying attention to baseball after the war there were no heroes bigger than Dimaggio and Robinson of both. Remarkable leaders of their teams in utterly different ways but to me what? What really with me was the fact that these little known players Devon's Stern Winds Fredo, Alaba Chatto and the managers Had this moment and it's going to be with them the rest of their lives. They're gonNA answer questions about these moments for the rest of their lives, and and that's what how tightly baseball is woven into our national life Founded a thrill to work on and I hope that some listeners will will enjoy reading electric over a website. Seven get more people get more information about. You can find it certainly at Amazon, Barnes, and noble at your local independent bookstore, which we always wanted support, and and you can find me at author Kevin Cook at facebook. I think there are way too many Kevin Cooks out there for me to get that one so so I have. Author Kevin Cook. Bill link on our website to for the PODCAST, but Kevin Pleasure talking to you appreciate your rescheduling. No hope everything's okay with your family and all you little medical situation there, but appreciate the time and we'll talk to you again down the road. I enjoyed it. Thanks so much.
533 Bits & Pieces XXIII
"This is the airplane. Geeks podcast. Hurry, Mr. educate and inform. You explore and expand your passion for aviation in entertain you a little along the way, this is another bits and pieces episode. Here's what we have this time. Sean Mobley from the museum of flight in Seattle. Washington has several clips from their new podcast launch pad Mercer speaks with Jim DiMaggio. The race director for red bull air race. Her main man mica has a tail he calls New Year's dad. I have an update on the eat at the airport project launch pad Mazari comes back to talk with captain skip. Lucere? The navy pilot who flew President, George W Bush to the aircraft carrier USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Dave homeward from the wings over New Zealand show brings us a history segment on the Havilland mosquito in David Vanderhoek recorded. Session at the Smithsonian's Airbus. I max theater with Dr Ellen stuff end. The new director of the national aerospace museum. It's all coming up right now. Welcome to the airplane. Geeks podcast. This is episode five hundred thirty three of the show where we talk aviation. I mix flight as is our tradition when a US holiday falls on Monday when we normally record the show, we take the week off, except we gather up some prerecorded segments from the co hosts from contributors in you, our listeners and create what we call a bits and pieces episode. That's the case this time as we spend New Year's Eve with our friends and families. We have some great segments for you this episode some are a little bit long, and you can find time codes in the show notes. If you need to navigate about the episode. So let's get started with Shan Mobley from the museum of flight in Seattle, Washington. He's the host of the museums flightdeck podcast in he has two clips from that show. Here's sean. Hello there to all the listeners of the airplane. Geeks podcast. My name is Shawn Mobley. From the museum of flight in Seattle, Washington. We are located on Boeing field. Just south of downtown Seattle and are one of the world's largest nonprofit private Erin space museum's were home to the number one. Boeing seven four seven the only MD twenty one Blackbird left in existence. One of only three concord airliners in the United States the red barn, which is the original Boeing factory. So much stuff here at the museum and beyond that beyond our planes, and our spacecraft were very proud of our extensive education programs both in person here at the museum and sent out digitally and in person all around the world. The kind folks at the airplane. Geeks podcast have been very gracious to let me the host of the museum of flights own brand new podcast called the flight deck play a few clips from our show for their bits and pieces episode and thank you so much to them for their generosity. I've two clips to play for you today. This first one is an unreleased piece of audio from an episode that hasn't come out yet. So who are going to hear it before anyone from the museum of light years it it'll be coming out a little bit later in two thousand nineteen the museum of flight has a MiG twenty one. And the story of how the museum managed to get this Blaine is almost as interesting as the plane itself, we got this in the early nineteen ninety s as the Soviet empire. Dissolved as the result of a fortuitous visit to the newly born Czech Republic by Boeing employees. Jim blue. Do. Now, it's a common misconception that the museum of flight is the Boeing museum, we are not affiliated with the Boeing company, though, they are generous supporters of the museum, but this story is an example of how Boeing still runs through. Our DNA museum of flight dough sent Bruce floor shaima has the story. Now, what was the end of the Cold War and the Berlin Wall had fallen a Boeing vice-president named Jim blue is on a business trip to eastern Europe. At aero Vodochody the largest aircraft manufacturer in the Czech Republic. Jim spotted sixty nine MiG twenty one fighters sitting under tarps outside the Earl factory. Jim asked his host. What's going to become of these airplanes, Cold War is over you? Don't need them anymore. The host said while they're designated to be scrapped. Now, Jim who is a trustee of the museum of flight thought. It'd be a great aircraft to have in Seattle. So he asked his host if the checks would be considered selling one of these may twenty one to the museum the checks declined saying, no not possible. But Jim kept badgering them finally the checks conceded. They might be able to sell MiG twenty one's in the museum of flight. But announced that the price would be fifteen thousand US dollars figure that the checks thought would stop Jim dead in his tracks and shut them up for good. Instead Jim pulled out his personal checkbook and wrote checks a check for fifteen thousand dollars. He was now the proud owner of a Russian big twenty one before I wanted to call the wife and say, hey, so what happened next? Well, back in Seattle about two weeks later, Jim got a telephone call from the checks and forming him that they'd given him the wrong price fearing that the checks were going to add a zero or to to the price. Jim is stunned to hear that the correct price was only ten thousand you must other. Not only that but arrow would included to Manzke turbojet engine and just been overhauled zero time status in short Jim would get zero time fighter frame with zero time engine and get a five thousand dollar refund. But there was a problem as I mentioned the mid twenty one his maximum range about a thousand miles. There was no way to have that airplane flown to Seattle unless you happen to have a Russian refueling airplane. And Jim didn't have one of those might be a bit more zeros. Now, Boeing test pilots thought that they had a way to fly the MiG to Seattle, but was deemed so risky that the insurance costs would make it prohibitively expensive. So the airplane had to be disassembled put into crates put aboard a ship taken through the Panama Canal than up the west coast of the port of Seattle from there. It had to be trucked to the museum of flight and reassembled now that would cost tens of thousands of dollars more. Jim was a rich guy. But not that rich so Jim called on his friends in in the Boeing Management Association, and we help raise the money especial shot out the Dell Hoffman, Bob. Oh, gosh. And the gym blue MiG twenty one aquisition team of what you are member. One of the first aircraft visitors to the museum of flights. Great gallery will see is the Boeing model. Forty b now this plane has quickly become one of my personal favorite aircraft since I started working here. Because to me it represents the transition of aviation the US from hauling airmail to hauling passengers in nineteen twenty seven the same year. Charles Lindbergh, forged the path over the Atlantic. Jane needs a young journalist from Chicago, flew the other direction in forged another path pretty much as important proof that planes could not only safely cross the Atlantic. But could also make transcontinental trips safely carrying passengers on board museum of flight Dawson's. Andrea hopper shared needs story along with some reading from needs own original articles in nineteen twenty seven. Was this a dangerous trip was she taking her life into her own hands by doing this? You know, when we read her articles, he alternates between fear and terror and absolute wonder, one of her more poetic comments was actually about the engine when she said directly in front of me is the secret of the speed and safety. It's the Pratt and Whitney wasp nine cylinder air cooled motor that is used in all twenty-five Boeing planes now in operation on the Chicago to San Francisco route pilot IRO before the man who by the way, gave slim Limburg his first lesson on aviation controls shouted a few words to surrounding mechanics, the huge motor roared to life as it began developing. It's more than four hundred horsepower with swung out blindly and sped onward making ninety five miles per hour. It was the. The most exhilarating feeling I've experienced in all my life. Nobody's say passenger cabin that conjures up images of first class, plush seats and bathrooms, and it's funny tendons. Exactly, you know. It's it's it's funny. She described it as luxury luxurious. I would. I and I agree with you on that one net is completely true the plane itself, if you're looking at it from the side, very big first of all the no is not very big. It's a biplane, and it's got this huge radial engine mounted on the front and right behind the engine compartment is the passenger compartment. It's not very big. It's difficult to get in and out of of course, there was no pressurization at the time. And so you're really at the mercy of the altitude that you're flying in your also at the mercy of the temperature we didn't have installation or any kind of temperature controls. It was not comfortable, but she was comfortable enough. And and the only thing she said that she wished that she had packed more lunch for herself. She had had and was really wishing for a Cup of coffee, but she would have to wait until their next landing in order to get that need satisfied. And behind the passenger compartment was where all the mail was carried. And then behind that was the pilot. And he was sitting outside when she's describing flying when she can see the stars. And she says the stars are out. Now, there are millions of them sprinkled about the heavens, the sky is much lighter than the earth, which looks vaguely sinister feel uncertain as to the depths the darkness below seems to hold and if I were falling. I'd rather fall up than down. We are flying higher than at any time since we started beacon lights here. And there along the route are leading us on their lighting the way to a new era. Thank you so much for listening and thanks again to the hosts of the airplane. Geeks podcast for this opportunity to share some stories from the museum of flight with all of you. I hope you'll come and visit us here in Seattle in two thousand nineteen we have some amazing things happening this year big one obviously recognition of the fiftieth anniversary of the moon landings. Some extremely special exhibits around that along with the completion of a B fifty two Vietnam Veterans Memorial park that will be part of the museum campus that and so much more. Check out the museum online at museum of flight dot org. And if you want to hear more stories like this from the museum, please check out the museum podcast at museum of flight dot org slash podcast. This is Shaun Mobley saying we'll see you out there, folks. Again, you can find the museum of flight online at museum of flight that or G and you can also find the podcast flight deck podcasts at that site. Now, we have airplane geeks. Reporter at large launchpad Mercer Ari. He spoke with Jim DiMaggio. The race director for the red bull air race. Hello airplane. Geeks today. We're here with somebody really special. I'm here with Jim de Matteo the race stricter for red boy race and we've just finished up the season with the most spectacular race. Now is super exciting. I think anytime any sport, regardless of of baseball football basketball, car racing whatever anytime a world championship can be sighted on the last play the last second the last shot the last race in this case on the last pylon. That's just super exciting for the sport. And we're really happy. How twenty eighteen ended up? We're the airplane geeks. So let's get geeky firm moment. What telemetry are the aircraft's sending you? So in race control. Which is basically the the CIC the information center, if you will of the entire event, we have really kind of two groups in there. One is the aviation side and one is the event production side. So from telemetry side what the planes are sending me or the ABA Shen group that's in race control items that we think about from safety in aviation perspectives. But then also from sporting perspective. And so the telemetry that comes to us that we use that we take immediately that would go into judging scenario would be g and airspeed. So we get a mediate indication of an over g situation and we get. Of course, they're they're airspeed throughout the entire race. You're getting airspeed where are you getting the airspeed from it's actually from the GPS side of positional data. If you will if you look at how elaborate our ghost track is, right? That's really what has sophisticatedly advanced are positional data because we want that to be super super accurate, right? We want that to make sure that if you're looking at it in your were using it from spectators perspective as a who's winning who's writing? Seeing the ghost images that you project. Exactly. So that ghost image. It's real critical from a credibility perspective that that's accurate, right? You don't want in real life for the plane to fly through the finish gate, and then the go specter to come in second. But then all of a sudden the guy behind XY has the faster time that would really damage the credibility of the whole system. So a lot of effort and time and expense at cetera has gone to that positional at data. And so that actually what is also what helps calibrate all of our other. Airspeed G force all that type of stuff is coming from this super complex. Gee, whiz box called a p p r you that's in the aircraft. All right. So the pilot though has to be on his skill part. He's flying off of indicated airspeed. So he's having to calibrate that quite indicated. He's he's seeing the same thing. We're seeing also we have a screen. He's not just looking at a at a pneumatic airspeed indicator in his plane. He's looking at a digital readout that exact same as us. So again from a sporting perspective. We don't want him to be looking at something different than us. We want everybody to be looking at the exact same number. So the big screen, and they can set it up differently depending on the pilot. What his desires are just like a heads up display in a fighter you, can you can pick and choose how you want certain things done and in the g force lights, etc. So that's that's where the pilot has some choice. But. He's looking at the exact same number that we're looking at in all of his all of his data. How are you transmitting that from the aircraft to the ground is that x what part of the spectrum different radio? What are you doing? Did. You know, you're getting out of my level of expertise. That's our technical group. That is actually the ones that are on. That are putting the boxes in the airplanes. All I know is the race director is that it's accurate. It's exactly what the pilot is looking at it goes into this fancy box, and then this fancy box since it down to my screen, and then I get to evaluate what's going on. And then judge both from what I see outside. In addition to what I see digitally. Okay. Now as the rare race director, are you acting as the air boss or does your boss work for you? How's that is? So we call it a race. Director in the red areas. And I'm responsible if you if you're trying to compare it to something like an air show, the there's an air boss function to my job as so air boss is part of what I do in the sense of IM controlling the air side of things. But in addition to that, I also have a safety hat on from sporting perspective, and his sporting hat on in the sense that the judges are assisting me, and I'm calling somebody knock it off. But all those different calls that I'm making that would be an addition to a an air boss job and air boss typical air boss at an air show is really just handling the airborne aviation side of things and not a sporting thing. Right. And I was thinking more toward who's channeling that you'll clearing people to get them onto the runway because our runways right here in the event. And then putting them out in the staging area and telling them, so so we kind of divided up a little bit and what we call on race control frequency and then grid control frequency. I have a group of individuals that are on what we call grid control. And what group control really is is analogous from an aviation perspective to like ground control. So in a scenario like we have here at Texas Motor Speedway, we coexist. But this is not how we always are so today, which is why this makes it a superior venue for us the fans because we can see both the era landings and takeoffs as well as the track at fantastic. I mean, when we're co located it's absolutely most exciting part for the spectators because you see everything you see the mechanics working on the planes. You see the pilots prepping themselves mentally and physically for for the race. You see the planes getting pushed out you see the start. You see the? Cough. You see the race? And of course, you see the landing and then their emotions when they get on the plane. You really see everything's was its premier. It's fantastic in a setup like this. But we don't always have this opportunity, especially obviously when we are flying a lot around water or over water often the the running the runway that we land on is ten miles away. And so we have the system exactly set up or my grid control here. He was there this three of them. And they were right. You know, five feet to my left in the last race in Kazan, there were twelve miles away. And so we still operate the exact same way through our radios that were as far as communication, and we integrate the timing in that manner. I have a Louis call a show caller because we're televised one hundred and eighty seven countries around the world is super critical that the the live TV product is properly timed and so. That show caller is giving me timing cues. So he will tell me sixty seconds, thirty seconds. And then I'm looking basically from an Airbus perspective. I'm looking at the overall track is is track. Ready? Can I bring them in? Where is he what turn, you know, the inside outside of his turn than all coordinate that I'll bring the guy in then I'll say nine nine Google in your clearing the tracks smoke on and smoke on call my background is I've been a career navy fighter pilot. I was also landing signal off. And as though we we have a code word where we say Roger ball and Roger ball is really. A word that means or two words that mean a lot of things I it means. I I'm establishing to eight communications with the pilot. You're cleared to land. The flight deck is set for you. The arresting gear is set for you everybody when they hear Roger bold than they they're queued to do their individual jobs of what they're supposed to do. And that's kind of the exact same way. We came up with smoke on smoke on means, of course. Yes. Turn your smoke on. But also, it means you're cleared in the track. The track is clear. We have a hot box were ready to race. You're cleared to race. And it tells other people that are hearing and listening to me to start to do their roles in their activities that they have to do to the photo ship the individual gate cruise the individual cameramen. Exactly. Right. So that's kind of it's turned into a hashtag smoke on is kind of a buzzword that that we use from a marketing perspective as well. But really from an aviation perspective. It. It's a phrase that keys a lot of initiatives that have to be done by individuals. Okay. Now, let's talk about us race director. Did you have to go to eyecare boss school? It. I cass. It's funny that you say that. So I've been the recent rector for the last ten years or eleven of twelve years now before the Airbus school, if you will really existed, this is very different and unique from a typical airshow Airbus requirement that being said, I am a member of the board of directors for. And so I'm very very cognizant with about the the new requirement in eighty nine hundred that's coming next year and the air boss training and Airbus certification program. I actually at Miramar air show, two months ago, a went through the Airbus training program with Ikast as program kind of as a not as a test it, but to kind of go through it to evaluate it to get feedback on it. And to also see if I could. Assist in some way. It's unique. We don't have to the red bull air race itself is is a unique situation. So F A A is I would be the one who taught. The course, you know. So I would. It's not that. I cast air boss academy is going to teach me with regard to read areas because that's very unique. But what you probably see at an Aries is we have side axe. So in between the races, all I will have airborne side axe that come through. And from that perspective. We we are kind of implementing the Ikast air boss rules if you will. And so that part of it. I am kind of acting as an air boss in a is. That is coordinating and legally producing this aviation side act. Speaking of FA is is there a set here on in the stadium with us? Absolutely, absolutely. Every time. So everywhere we go in the world. We we deal with some kind of aviation authority everywhere, we go. We have our little bubble that we do things. Inside our bubble. But that has to be approved by the local and countries regulatory body. In addition the coordination of our little bubble. How we go in and out. So you're talking about the far in in US. It'd be Tf are right here. It's Tf afar. And I have established at Tf are over Texas Motor Speedway. But sometimes wherever we go we operate in this little bubble. But that's if it's if we're co located where the airport is some because often were not, and so if we're ten miles away, then those individuals have to take off fly to our our race track. Our little bubble do our race and then fly back and so we coordinate with local aviation authorities. We co we coordinate with air traffic controllers. Do we squawk? Do we not squawk where I was gonna ask that that implies if you leave the bubble? If you leave the. Are what are we squawking? Are we going to be a next year? You're going to be a DSP compliant yet all of that stuff is a requirement. Correct. And we do have to. From a squawk perspective if we are co located airport and air race like we are right here right now where the plane just takes up goes right in the track and lands, then we won't squawk if we are especially near. Aircraft airliners, especially that are flying overhead because we don't wanna through you know, the teak casts into a collision avoidance requirement that they're bound and legally have to do. So what we'll do is. We will turn our squawk off and the. The scenarios where we take off and have to transit for ten miles and then come into a box, obviously, all of those we do squawk. And so that scenario slightly different. If there is a we typically don't want to have to have the pilots just something. We just want him to set it because I really want him to get in the mindset of once I've committed to racing I wanted I I'm racing. I'm not flying. Right. And it's you gotta get into the race mode. And and mentally and physically and emotionally. And you know, just they're thinking ahead of the of the aircraft because these gates are coming about every two seconds. And so you really gotta be flying ahead of the aircraft. And so we take off almost all the time unless there's a ground start. We take off we'd go into what we call holding position. And in that holding position they're really getting themselves prepared to come into the track. Here at Texas. Was you're holding positions inside the ours was just on the north side of it. So it was close. I limited the T afar. Because of the request of the we work with them right in here. It was a two mile radius. And it was specifically a two mile radius because there is an airport a small civilian airport just northeast of us at about three miles, and then you have a lion's airfield to to the south of us, and I didn't want to impact the. The small airport by putting them inside the Tf are so we stopped it just NS general, aviation pilots. Thank you. Absolutely. And same time. I didn't want to cross the runway sinner line approach of alliance. And so that's why I used a two mile radius that being said most of us ABA is if you see something that says, a Tia far that has popped up you typically just avoid that area and other we had for example, alliance in Fort Worth air, traffic control personnel with us. And if they saw somebody coming near us, they would identify traffic to us within our even if he's kind of scooting next to the farm now as a member of a and a young eagle putt mentor pilot. How do we? Leverage this to get people excited about aviation. So is a professional naval aviator. And then also general aviation guy myself, I'm passionate about aviation. My dad, and my older brother both navy eaters. And my brother also was a commercial airline pilot or is a commercial airline pilot so aviation is in my blood and has been from when I was a young kid. I also was up at Oshkosh and ran the features in attractions airshow at air venture for three years. So intimately familiar with the pilot shortfalls that are coming and looming in our future anything that we can do to excite and motivate and help younger people get involved in aviation. Not only is something that I'm passionate about. But it's also it's a necessity for us going forward younger kids today are kind of drawn in a lot of. Different areas that are still exciting stuff. So it's how do we get them excited in naval in aviation as a whole said alma said navy. Yeah. But ABA is a whole red bull air race combines the excitement of aviation with a brand association of red bull. Red bull is a cool baron for young people period if a twenty year old kid, here's a those a red bull party somewhere? He knows that school party. The no either NAFTA know anything else about it other than because red bull is exciting. And it's a it's a youthful brand. And so when we associate our industry of aviation with a cool youthful brand, that's a very very positive thing for us in the Asian community to excite and motivate people young people to get involved in aviation, not just as a pilot, but you could be a technician you could be involved in any aspect of the aviation world. And we're trying to motivate them through the brand association of a really cool youthful brand like red bull and a red boy racer event we see a ton of teenagers and twenty somethings, and you know, thirtysomethings, and so to me that's very exciting because it's guys and gals that are at a decision in their life of about what career paths to go down. And if we can excite them about the ABA Shen world than that benefits all of us that are passionate. Well, Jim, thank you. If they want to know more. Where would they go go? Visit WWW red bull areas dot com. And and check out our our website. It's a really nice website. And you'll have all the information that you could ever ever want to know. And there's also technical aspects. Our technical director director, Jim re JIMBO read he loves talking technical stuff. And so go check him out on our web. Site. And I know you'll enjoy it. Well, there you go airplane geek listeners. This is your reporter at large launch pad, Missouri frequency change approved. Good day. Thank you launch pad. Now mica brings us a story that he calls New Year's dad. The new year comes twice a year for me. Of course, there's this time of year the first day of January for the year. We all know, but there's also the first day of two SRI the Jewish new year called Russia. Shauna. While there's a joy to the Jewish new year. It's more of a time for self examination and repentance attendee process that ends with the holiday of young Kapoor. So we started to write this just as young Kapoor the Jewish day of atonement had ended it had been a week of reflection since Russia Shawna. And while this little piece was started the beginning of the Jewish new year. It's just as applicability for the secular new year when I started writing this. It had just turned fifty seven Seventy-nine, according to the Hebrew calendar. I just couldn't get used to it. I've been writing fifty seven seventy eight on all my checks, but eventually I got over it. The thing that I didn't then won't get over though. Probably for the rest of my life. Is that I miss my dad, Lou anger NCO and the army corps of engineers during World War Two first Lieutenant in the medical corps of the US air force throwing the Korean conflict. A brilliant psychologist, terrific rock and tour bibliophile pulp fix. Western and science fiction fan trivia expert, a gourmet and at times, Gorman and airplane, geek, beer connoisseur. But most important to me right now, my father, he's the man who taught me not so much all I know. But kind of how to know it he shaped my tastes my likes and loves probably unwittingly and unintentionally, but nonetheless, most certainly perhaps more importantly, he told me how to learn for myself how to love and appreciate learning itself. And love the pass on my knowledge to others. It wasn't just the high holy days. It had me missing my dad, although that may have been the impetus. Here's another thing that had me thinking of them, you see it was also the time of the year when the Collings foundation makes an almost annual trip to the jet port here in Portland. Maine PW WM this year. It was the wings of freedom tour, including the b twenty four j liberator witchcraft the b twenty five Mitchell, Tonto, Leo and the t f fifty one d Mustang to loose nuts. The b seventeen g flying fortress nine of nine was stuck in Vermont having just gone tech. Yeah. I missed the b seventeen but I was missing my dad, even more. You see I grew up with all these aircraft. Well, not these exact airplanes. But these types are similar it was talking about aircraft ships science fiction other common interests that I share with my dad that helped make us close. You often hear about baseball bringing fathers and sons together. Well for me and my dad it wasn't baseball. He was aircraft and flying among others, quite a few other things. I was fortunate. What am I saying? I am fortunate. You know, many men in my father's generation, we're enable to share their feelings their feelings would come out and other ways my dad, and I shared feelings indirectly through aircraft. That's not the fortunate part, though, the fortunate part is maybe through his training as a psychologist. My dad could share a bit better than some others of his generation saying the words, I love you, son. We're difficult for them. So there was never any doubt. Sometimes it was more difficult for me to say it back to him. But I'm fully confident that he knew how I felt. I still feel about him. We would often take museum trips together we lived right outside of New York City. So we weren't strangers to the American Museum of natural history. The Hayden planetarium in the Metropolitan Museum of art being close to West Point is well, we would travel up there often we visited Annapolis a couple of times and got to be old rhinebeck aerodrome twice. We were familiar with the USS laying and once made it to the US intrepid early on in her careers museum ship. We also made it to the Smithsonian air and Space Museum on the mall together once geez, we even got to visit the US air force academy together when I lived in Colorado. Thinking back on it. We only saw two airshows together. There was one tiny one in Athens, Ohio sometime between nineteen Eighty-one at eighty three. And then one big one in Pueblo Colorado in nineteen eighty-five Pueblo was the first time either one of us got to see the Thunderbirds. What a great experience it was to see the US air force's official air demonstration team for the first time with another airplane. Geek and USAF veteran who had never seen them before either. When that someone else also happens to be your father. Well, what can I say? But you know, as wonderful as a great state of Colorado airshow was to see with my dead, the little one in Athens, Ohio is more more illustrative of who he was and the kind of relationship we had like I said, it was a tiny airshow mostly aircraft on display as well. As Ohio university's to DC3.'s that I've told you about before they weren't flying. But this was the first time I dad, and I got to see a DC three in person together. There was an interesting helicopter demonstration put on by the local US forest service. It was a firefighting display done by a small two seat helicopter. That's long a big canvas bucket underneath it as it flew. It went to and from a lake near the airport and showed how effective it can be in dousing wildfires. The real amazing thing for me, though, was the Ford Tri motor base in port Clinton, Ohio. It was recently taken out of regular freight and passenger service and giving sightseeing tours over Lake Erie it flew down to Athens specifically for the air show, and it was offering rides. We'd watch takeoff and comeback. If you times as we walked through the static is plays. You know, what else airplane geeks friend Bill Berry chief NASA historian, recently got some stick time in the right hand seat of that very aircraft. Anyway, after a while my dad lit up a cigar back. Then it wasn't really unusual the smoke publicly even on an airfield. He loves the Gars and was and had been a real cigar aficionado all his life at that point Cuban cigars weren't available in the USA, and he was smoking mostly the mimic tobacco that he bought by the box of fifty this was long before cigars became popular. And the ones he smoked back. Then we'd go for fifty or sixty dollars a piece based on today's cigar economy. Anyway, he lit up cigar and said so would you like to take a ride on the Tri motor? Now. Remember, I was at least twenty five years old, then I don't remember, exactly. But I lit up like a little boy sure, I said, let's go my dad. Said that he'd rather stay on the ground. Enjoy his cigar, and relax he smoked big cigars. And they would last him about forty five minutes. He handed me the thirty five dollars for ticket in told me to go have a good flight. I was a little disappointed to go by myself. But not at all reluctant. I took the cash bought my ticket and had a wonderful flight. I wish I were a camera guys. I have no photos, nothing but faded memories of retain seats. A high wing, loud engines and a low altitude flight that was all too short when I got back down. My dad asked me how it was. I remember telling him all about it. And I can see his face and smile in my mind now is I think about it. We left not too long after that went back to town for some terrific Mexican food and beers at CASA K pasta, then we headed to my regular hang out bar, Mr. bojangles where my favorite new Gress banned, the new Vinton county frog Lampard's marching singing strumming and plucking society Inc were playing it was a great day. But remember I. Said this little air show in Athens, Ohio was illustrative of the kind of relationship. My dad, and I had well, here's why and understand. It's only recently that I've come to realize this part of it all remember, I said my dad lit up a cigar. And then asked me if I wanted to go fly on the Ford Tri motor, and then handed me the thirty five dollars for a ticket will back then thirty five dollars was a lot of money. I certainly didn't have that kind of cash to spend on a joy ride. My dad had never flown on a Ford Tri motor before and never did before he passed. But he wanted to make sure I had the experience I'm pretty sure he that's gar I on purpose because he really didn't have the cash for two tickets yet wanted to give me his son that thrill and not have to talk about the money. It's only now on reflection that I realized he did it as a way to bow out gracefully and still give me his airplane. Geeks. Son, a flying experience. I would never forget. That's the kind of guy. He was so yes, while this story was started just after. The Jewish new year. It's still a holiday story or maybe a story for anytime. So thanks, dad. Thanks for everything. And know whenever I go to museum drank a great beer CNN airplane, and countless other things I think of you, and I miss you. For the airplane. Geeks here in Portland. Maine, happy new year from your Maine man, Mike. Heat at the airport. Started out as a simple idea. You see I eat out a lot probably too much. But I thought, you know, a lot of G A airports have restaurant or a diner someplace to eat. So why not help support the local airport in eat there? So I started doing that in the along the way I sort of had a well a vision in my head of a map with pins for the airports that I went to eight at the sort of a record. But then it kind of expanded to something that might be useful for more people, not just pilots, but also land travelers and people who are on road trips and meet a place to eat well map with pins on it showing these locations might be helpful. To to find a a great place to eat someplace where he could support the airport. Well, it turns out that it's pretty easy to make custom Google map with your own pins. So I started doing that marking awesome airports, and noting the the restaurants that were there. Well, his I was doing that. I just had to check and see if eat at the airport dot com was available in guess what it was. So I log into my hover account and within about ninety seconds. I owned eat at the airport dot com, of course, needed a place to to house this map. So I just made a page on the airplane. Geeks website in had eat at the airport dot com. Redirect to that page. And then it was relatively simple to embed the map showing the airports and the restaurants onto that page. I think the whole thing elapsed time. Was a. Maybe twenty minutes at most. It was really pretty simple. The thing about the internet is, you know, it it encourages impulsive people to do impulsive things. And that's kind of what this was. So then I started asking folks to contribute, and I did that in our slack team and amongst some other readers and people started sending in airports with restaurants. And I thought well, this is too labor intensive I need a way. Well, at least where people could submit sites easily. So I found a WordPress. Plug in a free one that had does forms on your WordPress website. So with that I hacked together, a disa- quick, simple form and only took a few minutes. So we're we now. All right. So if you go to eat at the airport dot com you end up on an airplane geeks page, but that's fine. He and you'll see the map, and you can zoom in move around and find airports that have places to eat if you want to contribute to this growing database. There's a link even click, and it takes you to a page where you can fill in some simple information such as the airport. The airport. Identifier is good because sometimes there's more than one airport with the same name. So that that's helpful. But not required, and there's places to put in the restaurants or the diner or whatever as as well as some free form text baby describing it you can also put in other interesting attractions, let's say at or really near the airport, primarily museums people coming up with some some museums that are at airports that they wanna they wanna note. So there's a way to do that as well. So when you submit an airport. Using that form it doesn't populate the map right away. It'd be kind of nice. If if it did maybe there's some way to do that. If there is. I haven't figured that out yet. But what does happen is? I get an Email then I have to put in the, you know, the newly added airport in restaurant manually. So in a sense. It's moderated which is good. But there can be a delay. And hopefully, I haven't created a monster. It's going to be a real chore to maintain. It's just a it's a way to have funds way to support your local airports. So we've been getting lots of submissions already from some co host some friends and folks in the slack team. So have at it. Visit eat at the airport dot com. If there's one near you where you can go for lunch or have a meal and consider doing that. If you run across. Airports that aren't in the list. He and you'd like to add them in use that form, and we'll we'll get them in there pretty quickly. I hope if you look at the map right now as I record this. There's kind of a cluster in the in the northeast sort of the northeast seacoast, let's say and there's some in the south west there's some clusters there as well. So you can tell the the folks who have been submitting so encourage you to do that have fun with it. And we'll let you know how it works out. Hopefully, it's something that encourages people to go eat at the airport. Bad Murray is back this time talking with captain skip Loussier. He is the pilot. The navy pilot who flew President, George W Bush in an S three to the aircraft carrier USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN. That was for a televised address back on may first two thousand three. Hey, you're playing gigs listener your reporter at large launch Padmore Zara. And I'm here with a really special guest, captain skip lucere United States retired. Who's call sign is loose. And he has unique perspective. He's the only person in naval history to use the call sign navy one. Why is that? Well, a launchpad I was very fortunate when I was commander to be the pilot that was floated to fly George W Bush, the sitting president time aboard ABRAHAM LINCOLN to give a speech on the first of may two thousand three very cool. Okay. Let's begin with some basics. Why you, but I'd like to say is some long distinguished reason that I was chosen, but this was a classic case of being in the right place at the right time and sitting the suit the criteria for the selection of the airplane in the air crew was directed by the White House to be a pilot OFI five and above who was on board. The USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN who participated in operation Iraqi freedom, and I was the only five pilot that flew the three on the ship that time why the three why not one of those point he'd looking jets that get all the sex appeal movies made about him. They were I think that they were very concerned from a optic. Perspective not to have this as a show boating opportunity. I think the navy would love to have put him in a super hornet, which was our brand new in a world's race of airplanes. But the s three has a very good safety record. It was able to carry the right number of people. And it just had the it was the better choice for a transit from short ship. I think the other reason why was chosen was there was a little bit of history there. Vice President Cheney had actually flown into three out to an aircraft carrier when he was the secretary of defense. And so when they were making the discussions he was had that reference point of using that airplane to get out to the ship. Well, the secret service get a vote in this. They were absolutely against the the whole operation. I think in fact, I was warned several times not to mention anything about any of the risks involved. Or you know in indicated all that the PR. President would actually manipulate the controls the airplane which is possible in the street because it's a dual cockpit. Do piloted a platform when it was originally designed so down they were definitely against it in. They had said they had to be in the airplane and have twenty four seven visibility to present throughout the the operation. Well that kind of limitless to the cod and the S three then right? Yeah. They had to other Qods that were involved in it, but they were carrying Condoleeza Rice and the the media out to the ship for the speech, but I really think that as a aviator himself the opportunity to fly out into a jet land on the ship but peeled to the president and his team. All right and. Now, you weren't the commander right of the squadron's. Now, I was the second in command. I was executive officer at the time the way the navy. Traditionally has our squadrons setup is if the the airplane has the squadron has both pilots and naval flight officers flying the airplane, we alternate at the leadership position. So the commanding officer was actually a naval flight officer, you know, and I was the second in command. And they later. So that speaks to kind of fairness and equal opportunity in the navy is that, you know, you don't have to be the pilot to be the commander of a naval squadrons. We broke that code along time ago. It was actually a very good balance to have the the flight officers who are trying to different skill sets running to weapon systems, but they can still lead manage people just as good as pilots. So we the navy's been doing it for a long time. Okay. So you take two aircraft and get the leave early and fly back to yet. We actually have the we flew back to naval air station North Island in San Diego where our home bases. And that's also where the aircraft carrier was making its first protocol after the ten month deployment to operation Iraqi freedom. So you arrive what you had to be vetted. And then you arrive a day early. I take it. Well, actually, I got to go in a little bit sooner than that. It was an interesting way that I found out that I was going to be the pilot. We were pulling in. To Hawaii about five days before the actual flight and the Pacific fleet commander was coming out to the ship to graduate the crew in thank us for our hard work in the war. And he said, hey, I got great news for you presents coming out to give a speech on your ship, and he's coming out in a nursery. And I was in the hangar bay with my CEO next to be and I said tunes. Did you know about that? It's no I didn't know about that. And then wonder who the pilot is it's going to be me. I've pretty much figured it was that was going to be the choice. So I actually flew home from Hawaii that day. I got told pack your bags because they from a risk management perspective. They said we don't want this guy flying the leader of the three world out to the carrier after not seeing this family pretend months. So we're going to get him back to San Diego little early. So that he can focus on the mission and not be, you know, late getting onto the aircraft. Yeah. What I call my wife and said, I was flying back. She said, what did you get fired? I said, no, Honey, it's all good. You. I'll tell you when we land. And then of course, when I got the San Diego, and I said, yeah. Thursday, I'm gonna fly at Fresno at the ship. But you can't tell anybody that was the worst kept secret in San Diego. A lesson in opposite. Yes, she didn't have to bother that. When she was pretty excited and made sure that anybody that was going to be watching television that day new to do it. Well, let's get into that day. So you come in and. When does walk us through meeting the president? And he comes in early. I take it. Yeah. Yeah. So these things were were fairly scripted. And you know, the president was flying in Air Force One. And this is, you know, president lands and airports wanted eleven o'clock president gets off airplane at eleven one president goes into base ops building at eleven oh five gets into a flight suit. And at eleven ten we get into the story and flyway, of course, when we were having these discussions, I tried to point out that we really needed some time as a crew to get our act together. So they can building in more more time. So by the time that they actual did curd we had about twenty to twenty five minute window where we could do a safety of flight incur, brief would just the president and the secret service agent. And my naval flight officer also flew in the airplane. Ryan Wilson Phillips. He we got an opportunity to have a curb re for the president, which was probably the most special moment prior to the flight. So we basically president got up. Air Force One lands in its beak to beak with by little S three. And it was pretty neat pictures that we got a show on the seven forty seven parked in front of the airplane there and president waves to the crowd and Wilson just mean, and this says well XL there's no backing out. Now, you know, so down comes the president. And he walks into the base ops building goes, where's my pilot and from there? It's just like we were back in flight school. You just caused me to think of something by definition, the s three is a to pilot aircraft. Was there some waivers or some rules that had to be waived put a non rated pilot in the right seat? No because the community actually, you know, the airplanes started flying in nineteen seventy four originally designed as to to pilot airplane because of the length of missions. You wanted to have the redundancy of having another pilot on there, but as the service life of the airplane continued we've found more and more you could fly that are playing with a single seat and having another naval flight officer in their plan helped manage the weapons systems better because you can do that from the front rights seat as well. The way that the cockpit was designed you can run pretty much all of the radar and weapons from the front rights seat. So about late nineteen eighty eight or so we were single piloted through the rest of my career. Okay. I was just worried that you might have to switches that you might have that can only be reached if there's a co-pilot or something like that. So all right. I was pretty well designed and anybody could wave it. I think the president could. That's it. That's what I was thinking. Like, yeah, we're going to some I need a memo put out somewhere. But okay. So we've legally got him, and you're in you're doing preflight with or doing the crew brief then we go out to the then we're gonna walk out to the aircraft. Yeah. So one thing I'd like to mention about the crew brief is, you know, I I had the opportunity to put in a little bit of risk management conversation there. And I said, you know, Mr President ninety nine point nine percent of the time everything goes really smoothly and naval air. But there's always that point. Oh, one percent chance is loose. You don't need to worry about that. We got a great vice president which pretty much caused us to break bus to get there. So well, if you're not worried, I'm not worried, and then we were able to walk out to the airplane from there. And it was kind of neat. It was like a rockstar. Another squadron, our are sister squadron from the shamrocks would be as forty-one actually preflight at the airplane started taxed it over. So all I had to do was hot seat into the plane and get ready to go with the president. Did you get a pre-takeoff scare you mentioned that earlier? I would call a scare it became a little bit of a an EP trainer. We're you know, flighted to and we're getting ready to take off down the runway. As we're as we're rolling down the runway, my number one generator started cycling off and on. And I also looked over. And I noticed that the president's helmet. There's a little amplifier with a two prong adaptor in the head come undone. So I pretty much knew at that point. He really couldn't hear what I was saying. And then as I rotated the airplane because of the number one generator recycling. The landing gear was also connected to that number one bus, and they didn't want to raise. So okay what? Which -mergency do a handle? I I we have an auxiliary power unit that I started up by pulled the number one generator office started the power unit I reached over and I'm trying to put the pronged back into the amplifier. And then I will go to raise the gear in. I pressed the override switch in the gear came up, and the my wingman called me on the radios and said gear because he was already cleaned coming up pretty fast. So we really had to get the gear upper also he would have under on me. Well, that's exciting. For for few seconds. I thought about turning down win. But that wouldn't have played out. Very well. And it really wasn't pretty minor emergency with Chapin's, you know, in an airplane that we were trying to take care of. So nobody deal we flew out and leveled off at about five thousand feet and headed out to the ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Now, let's leading question. What did the navy and the White House call you the rules for flying would be? They said an absolutely clear terms that the president was not touch the controls of the airplane. So K what happened three minutes after gear was up. I pretty much knew the president wanted to fly. And as soon as we were level and Mr President he wanted to take control he goes, by sure I do. And of course, we had the secret service agent in the back seat. And I I know he was looking forward to the opportunity of showing the secret service agent. What a great pilot was so he takes control ear appliances. All right, Eddie, I got the controls. Don't get nervous when he shakes airplane around. Real violently goes, Eddie. I'm a little off outs. Do bumps the nose over. And we all go light in our seats. And I think he just enjoyed Yankin the guys chain all the way out to the Schiff. That's awesome. Little the revenge of the president on the secret service. And it was funny. You know, the the secret service absolutely love Bush. They I really, you know, didn't know how other secret service agents failed about servant presidents, but they really appreciated how well the president treated them and understood their mission that they take a bullet for him. Okay. So we're flying out the president's get to do a big majority of the flying. Yeah. So we were flying out there. And one of the citizens is we doing the flight was that the airplane was going to land second. And so we some point we needed to change leads with my wingman. And the other plane had one of our one of our best pilots. Rocky Baker and see Menzel and it had Andrew Card the chief of staff and also the White House aide. Huff Huffington who was carrying the football with new codes out to the ship. So they took the lead in the president was actually flying formation off the three as we did the fly by the carrier, and then went into the recovery pattern went into the break. Well, since you just mentioned who was flying as your wingmen who else was in the aircraft with you. So is myself President Bush, Eddie secret service agent. I still don't think I know his last name and Brian Wilson Phillips who is our number one Lieutenant the time and was chosen to go on the flight. And then the other applying the said rocky Baker Lieutenant one of our best pilots and seamen's Ellum ten. A commander flight officer who is one of our department heads on onboard squadron there one thing I would like to mention less than fourteen months later. We lost Zemun in a unfortunate accident along with three other members of my squadron, Patty and Showtime. I just want to make sure that they are not forgotten. Yeah. Well, naval aviation is exciting. Sometimes there is a price to pay. Yeah. And these guys paid the ultimate sacrifice, and we miss him to this day. Well, let's get back to when we last left our hero that you. You're you're sitting there at tune very loosely. Well, that is your call sign. So you're sitting there with nothing the do because presence doing all the flying flying chase to another aircraft. Walk through having to put yourself in the pattern waiting to call the ball. Well, so, you know, the president was flying, and he really enjoyed it. As soon as we got to the ship, though, I took over so that he can enjoy the view. And that's the nice thing about the stories. We've got a really large cockpit window, and when we flew by the Lincoln, and we were going about as fast as necessary could go about four hundred fifty knots, and we looked down. I never seen so many people on the flight deck. It was just clobbered with with people you could just see him everywhere. So they're having to get everybody ready for the recovery. And we came back around you come into the break. About eight hundred feet and foreign fifty knots. And and rocky Baker like said, excellent pilot decided that he was going to break before the the ship, which we call the the round down, and so he broke and by the time, I broke I was just over the top of the ship and he landed then I landed and thank goodness we stopped. I don't think that the I would I would have been the butt of a lot of jokes for the rest of my life. If I had missed a the wires on the flight deck. All right. Let's talk about that the number one plane landed excuse me, your wing, the number two planets landed I and they taxi him away you land. But then there's a ballet that's been choreographed. Walk is three of that. So one of the things that I learned very quickly was, you know, none of this stuff is done without the optic in the public affairs and having their spin, and what they didn't want is the president to be seen as as showboating, and they also were very conscious of the negative press that Michael Dukakis got when he put a tank helmet on back in when he was running for president in the eighties. So the cockpit of the s three the cabin door. You go in and out only one way, and they were very concerned about a picture of the president's ads as he was coming out of the airplane. So we landed in the because you get out of the airplane. But for. I that's correct. And so what they decided to do. Normally, we would take a right turn out at landing area. But this time we did a left one eighty so that the crew door was looking towards the water away from the media, and it prevented any pictures that could have been construed or played with the after the flight. So that was one unique opportunity or difference in the way that the normal carrier operations were done for the presence flight. All right now, you've turned the plane one hundred and eighty degrees. So the doors face the the ocean, and you shut down they gonna chain you down right then. And there they did they shut us down right there. And they had what they call them the rainbow rainbow side, boys. So they set up a reception for the president to walk through a honor guard of flight deck personnel. That were dressed in all the different colors of the flight deck, you know, green jerseys red jerseys Yellen. And then the Admiral and the captain the ship in the air wing commander. We're going to greet him. So we park the plane, and we had the opportunity to shut down right there landing area. The other thing they told me I said, hey, make sure the president takes his flight year off because it goes back to that, you know, not wanting to him look like a. The Dukakis in the tank helmet. So he goes now, I feel pretty good. I think I'm gonna keep it on. So I said, well, you're the president you keep the flight gear on so that was his choice, and he got other your plan in that looked pretty good. But this five minute scripted walk didn't work out. Did it? Now because you know, I can remember when you president's supposed to get out is supposed to wave to the press go through the side boys and meet the Admiral, and we were just supposed to stay out of the shadows there and he gets in front of the year. Planning goes loose Wilson, come on over and we get out in front of the jet. He's waving to the press turns to me, and he shakes my hand goes son, you're on national television, which you know to send a chill through me. And and then he the next thing we knows on a traditional on the carriers you get bombed aboard. So they said that Bongbong United States arriving. And I, you know, at that point everybody stood at attention in the president went through the side boys when they met to leadership he was supposed to stay on this high-tech for about five minutes, then head below. But he ended up on the flight deck for about forty five minutes. And he started shaking hands of all the aircrew in all the maintainers and the purple shirts yellow shirts. Green shirts. You could hear them. Just really cited. I think that the if there's one place that she can let the president go and feel safe. It's in the hands of bunch of navy personnel. So they just let it happen. And I'm sure there's some fantastic pictures to this day that are mugging with the president on the flight deck at the Lincoln. That's cool. And I'm sure he just decided that you know, I want to enjoy my life for a moment. You know, the first sitting president to trap aboard an aircraft carrier. He he certainly deserved it. Then he gives the speech you get to fly him off now. So what ended up happening was you know, when a ship pulls in after deployment, they pretty much went all the airplanes off for the ship goes peer side. So that afternoon I flew off back to North Island along with all the other fighters and prowlers e twos. The air wing basically conducted its fly off that dafter dune. And then the president spent the night on the ship and the next morning Marine One came out and picked him up because he was very concerned to didn't wanna take away from the homecoming. So he wanted to be out of the picture by the time the ship went pure side. Because he knew there were a lot of families ready to see the sailors who'd been gone for so long, you said Marine One went and got him. Why not Marine One onto the aircraft? Career. Well, the the plan at the time was that the ship was going to be further off the coast in the standing oppor standard operating procedures of Marine One would allow they had a limit of fifty nautical miles shortage ship and the ship was supposed to be further off the coast. So that's why the idea of a fixed plane fixed fixed-wing plane to ferry the president out to the ship was determined. It turns out the ship made a little bit better headway in was closer than than fifty miles. By the time. We did the flight. But at that point there was no change in. He I think the president really wanted the opportunity to get out there as quickly as possible in the story was best way to do it. So. S three. Well, yeah. After you know, one of the things about the story community is we were in what they call a sundown. And squadron were starting to be decommissioned in airplanes were starting to be retired. They decision was made because of the significance of the airplane that they were gonna inducted in the navy museum in Pensacola, Florida. So the Commodore of the Essary Viking community ended up flying the airplane out a couple months later in July of two thousand three in the plane. It's been there ever since. And it has now unfortunately for the optics of it. They painted joy President Bush's name on the cat on both sides of the canopy rail of the aircraft along. Yeah. I think one that's the privilege of the president. You don't share the limelight on the canopy? But airman styles did have his name on the nose gear still. So that was pretty good for him. I I did get the opportunity to engrave my name in. Sharpy on the objection seat just to have my name in their austerity. Oh, good for you. That's that's cool. And have you seen the aircraft since it's been in shrine? I have I was out there in just a couple years ago. As a matter of fact is going through the museum coarsely the tour guide found out that I was the pilot and when we got to the airplane. He gave me the microphone and asked me to regale the crowd with the a similar story as to what I've told you. So I got to do something similar as I'm doing here today on the airplane. Geek and front of a small crowd at the naval aviation museum. Very cool. Well, lose what's where are you? Now. And what's next for you? Well, I'm still I guess I I went to the dark side, I became a department of the army civilian after a retired after nearly thirty years as a a naval officer, and I've been working at the US Africa. Command got a little more time. Here we have five year commitment over seas. And then I'll be heading back to the states looking for the next opportunity and full disclosure. That's how you and I met when we were both assigned to the United States Africa. A command. That's correct. But you were lucky you were still flying stuff at that point. I was just flying a desk that was our. I enjoyed that much going into staff meetings going okay who put time in their logbook today. All right, all all you non-qualified pilots to the back of the room. Even though I only had like one hundred hours, and you guys had thousands of hours. I like to say, I'm no longer pushing the envelope. I'm licking it. I like that. Okay. Well, this has been a real special time. And I wanna thank you for taking the time out to meet with us. I just want to say. Like, I said this is an opportunity to let all those people that ever flew or worked on yesterday. Viking that it would contributed significantly to national security was a great airplane. And and that's it's still a warm the hearts of folks that the president chose it to go out to the ship. Well, again, thank you lose airplane. Geeks listeners. This is your reporter at large launch Padmore. Sorry frequency change approved. Good day. Now, Dave home would from the wings over New Zealand show brings us a history segment onto the Havilland mosquito. Hello appaling. Geeks at Steve would have from the wings of New Zealand showed that if I mentioned the name to heaven on mosquito that most of the listeners will have some audio of what I'm talking about the mosquito was officially known as the wooden wonder because its fuselage wings were constructed from spruce both would people get fixated on the fist would wouldn't sure it's constructed from wood, but said many other Europeans up to and during the Tom that the mosquito was in service designed differed to heaven went for wooden construction because he was a whig that many of the metals then being used though bomas enforces wherein hard demand then short supply. Plus his company had always produced would near appliance. China's tours bomas race plans that Seder in the past. So why not would in a modern design nine nineteen forty and might since most people excite owners wouldn't construction? Most tend to overlook the fact that a significant proportion of that. You're applying is indeed middle the engines, the tanks, the wheels the undercarriage gum and roads in a hundred thousand screws and other fittings throughout each mosquito. But whatever the construction it became a legend designed initially as Boma that could fly very fast at running the enemy fought is that proves its work in this row quickly. But it was also developed pretty quickly into a fighter reconnaissance platform. One of the best in the war, and then into a Fatah Boma that could attack in strife targets and take on before it is too. They will say fitted it with rockets or to pitas, or in some cases, a massive begun. In the nose and became a ship Busta with coastal command, and they will say became not time in daytime intruder forces often following enemy acre affected, the Iribarren joining the circuit then shooting up anything that was in the air or on the ground, some Beskitas even became ho speed VIP transports with a special cabinet in the Bombay for passengers the cross into neutral, Sweden and back. Sometimes there'd be carrying shipments of much-needed bull bearings from it product. Whoo. And of course, mosquito became ubiquitous with the Pathfinder squadrons of RAF Boma command, including with the elite oboe squadrons, which pinpointed the targets and dropped flays for the mine force to follow and mosquitoes even saved with the famous number six one seven squadron after the Dame's rightly the mosquito. Head speed it had long range, and it could a real punch to take it to the enemy basically to today everything and it exceeded in every row that served over Britain and Europe and also in India and Burma Australia, the Pacific, Canada and beyond all around the world during the wool. And after the bull many air forces continued use mosquito well into the nineteen fifties. Despite the GT G clips in March to the world with two talks here in New Zealand during World War, Two many, hundreds of pilots navigators observers and right are operated soothed on the mosquitoes within the hour if there had been three New Zealand. Squadrons in Britain that flew them, then before it seven squadron famous. I lo- Nivel pinpoint daylight and not Tom boming rights, including the famous Ammiel imprison raid and number four at eight note for two squadron trout, the darkness of southern Britain, the English channel in Europe hunting for the left goofy. And there was number four it non-use squadron that flew mosquitos with rockets quits until pitas and the anti shipping strikes along the occupied coast after the war. The New Zealand government was made a very good offer to put just mosquitoes. Cheaply burn the British government who would downs go in the area and between nine hundred forty six nine hundred forty eight a total of eighty you and slot used mosquitoes were flown from Britain. And a few of them were trying to kind just across from strata to New Zealand number seventy four squadron reformed in New Zealand around mosquitoes and whilst around twentieth. As aircraft served on the squadron the other sixty or so were simply stood. Until the mid naughty fifties when there were no longer needed as vampires had replaced the fleet at that point that ruled disposed of bus was so descript dealers and one such entrepreneur was Harry Roaf, he pitches, at least a dozen of them. He intended to get them flying and sell them or five sees his son Bill Roe was an iron Zeta. If engineer who'd actually worked on them in the air force. And so he came on board to help us five to get them flying. He whipped on the fist example, which was numbered. Peasy had force him four bringing it back up to an aid with the state and registering it on the New Zealand civil register as Zayd k b c civil others. Also went on the register. But when peace force him Forbes, rigid guy, the sees it was switched to the US. Register and got an enough. This was done just in tarm because the government he got wind that they were not going with had been told and instead though hitting to list savory bar. So we'll be on the mosquitoes had it reached rations cancelled. Restrictions put on the movement, which eventually lead to the demise. As they were chopped up the screen, but pays it force it and four did escape because it was on the US register and the New Zealand government could do nothing about it that went off to the USA and onto an interesting career the before into stays at chino where it eventually fell a pot as its woodwork rotted away while it set for an ownership dispute to be settled fast food to the late ninety ninety in vaunted. My father to gay with him to row era. Notable society bus trip to Oakland one of the stops was in a boat building yet, and he's Temeke, and they we visited a she'd where a little known bloke was working on a little known project at the Tom has nine was Glenn Pell, and he was plotting away on building the modes to help rebuild a mosquito. Many years before that I mean, I wouldn't fit a member of New Zealand warpage association had suggested to his fellow. We'll bids enthusiasts that should pull together the talents and money and rebuilt on the skater. Get one flown around a dozen number enthusiastic and the project was started. But I have a time one by one most of them went off another directions until it was just Glenn one of the original group still drawn to Mike in heaven on the visit I think it was ninety seven I learned a lot about the construction of the fuse ledge and help was made into hives with limited would ever molds. And there will join together to form the the whole body. I was impressed with his dedication and his knowledge but came away wondering if we didn't get to hear anything more out of. Well, a few years later in two thousand and four of glens workshop game with two friends who are visiting from overseas Joan pocket and Steve Patterson hit now moved to a dedicated facility and dreary who's and he'd very recently joined the first fuselage that are come off the mode as a piece, incidentally that fused lives was narrow and Canada at a museum and enemy carp is being revoked using it. By that stage. I had a lot more confidence in his project, and it was sitting in moving forward. He then that a second fuse lives of the mode, which was design project. And I think it was around two thousand seven. I was in Florida by my friend, Kerry Kylo to come along to meet some guys at oddball who will waking on a mosquito project, and that this was the goes at f- speaks. They had just taken possession of a fuselage. The third one off the modes and the project was full gear Yagan and was going to be used to rebuild K A one one four. Our course set the tone mitt Warren Denham who runs aspects and quite a few of the team, and my visits to s mix became more regular, I was actually getting more and more interested in mosquito and over time and Ivan years were saying this Eka, I've come to give it about to know the team and got see what amazing what they were doing. Fast forward. Again, we get to two thousand and twelve and I think it was September twenty seventh. I was there the day that K one more four took flood becoming the first mosquito to ever be rebuilt from the ground up in the world and becoming the only flying mosquito for sixteen years as the last when crashed in England, and it was magnificent and two days later. There was a big issue. A really big issue. It wasn't meant to be a big issue. But so many people turned out for it was massive, and that aircraft performed as first issue. Two days after fists, flew, it was brilliant and the pilots will make -nificant die Phillips and Kate skilling. Both amazing pilots amazing goes wonderful. And for that issue had been asked to get to get as many of the the veterans who'd worked on the mosquito flew them aware ground crew on them during World War Two or. Postwar in the nineteen fifties and manage to find a bit thirty four of them and a few of them came from overseas for and we had an amazing banquet. Dinovite night with four hundred people in the hangar with these mosquito veterans as the special guests, and it was just absolutely fantastic. An amazing Tom and that it craft eventually did a few issues in New Zealand finishing wings wore repa- with an amazing finale display by Phillips that head everybody in the Krant, a massive crowd would just wipe in tears. It was just the bist display. You say and then was crowded up and win off to the USA. And it's been flooring with the Jerry's collection at Virginia Beach, Iverson's and. But by the time that that it flew they were already in on the next one, which was pulled Whalen, and that it craft, of course, flew two years ago, and is now in the US I by pine field in Washington state with the the light boy islands collection. And by the time that one had flown. They were working on the next one which is now just about to fly as well. And that it craft is. It's just even beta than the last two it's of of watch all three of them come together. And this one I'm so looking forward to say a fly because the detailed on is even bid an it's it's coming out in a different callous game gained at it's an coastal command callous game, which is so rare on any wool bids or even museum aircraft to remember our coastal command, and it just looks fantastic. And in November a sort running that's engines at Woolwich, I've been die. And that just brought back all the memories of k while full when I was saying that there is Jim runs just before its float. We're looking forward. We're all looking forward to saying that takes the Aera gained properly in January two thousand and nineteen. I'll just want to say huge shoutout to all of the people along the white who have been involved in rejuvenating. The mosquito is probably the most imp-. Important of acre after the war people get fixated on the Mustang or the Spitfire or the Lancaster invasive and team. But that it realizes the mosquito did it all and more. And. Head the range gets on that head everything and. It really wasn't amaze NeoGraft. So and it seems to be lot get largely forgotten. Thanks to go as it have spics and mosquito restoration limited which is glimpse company now fully beckon, the public awareness, and that's fantastic. So all of you, listen to across the US, I go and have a look at the mosquitoes. If you get a chance this gonna be three of them there soon because this one's going to fix us. PA force fours that same one that lift New Zealand back in the nineteen fifties that went all the way to use. I come back in it's been restored. And that is fantastic because it has genuine ruin force history. And I just can't account recommend more. The mosquito at is just fabulous fitness aircraft. So make sure you go and have a look and once again. A huge congratulations to glens tame into warns team together, you've you've rebuilt you have restored three amazing aircraft in this more as well down the track and its history its history that needs to be told, and and it and it will now be told in baseball away or saying the flooring. So I just want to close by wishing everybody a very happy new year for two thousand seventeen and sometime during the the new year or hope that a load of you will get to see a mosquito flown with your in New Zealand dole with your in the USA and to the plan gigs team, keep up the great work. Thanks, dave. Now, our David to haven Vanderhoek attended the celebration for the fifteenth anniversary of the Stephen F Rasi center that of course, is the companion facility to the museum on the National Mall in Washington DC how David recorded the interview with Dr Ellen sto fan. The new John and Adrian Mars director at the Smithsonian's national air and Space Museum. She was interviewed by Pete Montaigne. He's a certified flight instructor also television news reporter for w USA nine in Washington DC. Here's the recording used with permission. Director of lease sonya's national Erin Space Museum, and it's my pleasure to welcome you to the fifteenth anniversary of the center, which is in its own, right? One of the most popular museums in the world. When the bar hussy center opened if teen years ago, it boasted iconic aircraft like the SR seventy-one on cord refined. We welcome. The space shuttle discovery in twenty twelve and continue to add milestone aircraft and objects to this day. What do the next fifteen years have installed our director? Dr Phil fan is here to give us an idea. She's been with the museum for eight months, and we're excited to hear more about her background experiences with museums or and her vision for the future interviewing or today is our friend teen. Eight is a graduate of the university of Maryland hillock, Maryland college of journalism. And after six years covering the state in Pennsylvania, he joined the team USA twenty sixteen. He is a third generation having been taught by his mother Nancy Lynn, he regularly competes in air attic aircraft implying competition. Civil aircraft like one you see her today, and is now an instructor helping to train the next generation of aviators and explorers. Please join me in welcoming Ellen. On you feel about today at fifteen years is a big milestone when you think about how you feel. This is such an exciting day for the museum because all of us here in Space Museum. This place has a really special place in our hearts because as all of you know, or here today, this place is amazing. And if anything it is under visited compared to the Newseum downtown downtown about six eight million visitors year here, we get about a million and a half year. And I always get like those, you know, five million people that are visiting our museum downtown so missing out by not coming here. You know, this place is on Spiring, you know, from the SR seventy-one to the spatial and everything else that we have here. I think this place is magical, and so no that it's fifteen years old fifteen years of success over twenty million people through the doors this building, we're all incredibly proud. And incredibly proud of the SAF who made this. You jumping up the first time that you came here. You know, the first time I came. There was not that long after in an open, and I just remember being amazed by it because just thinking where did all these aircraft from because I had been to the museums now since not that long after it opened and so to come here and realize that all of these aircrafts have been basically storage, and I will say at that point. I didn't know anything about our holy Garber facility is silver here, Maryland, which is where a lot of these aircraft for sword prior to that time. Of course, there were a lot of aircraft. Also that were brought in. When we opened the facility you didn't have before like, the seventy one. And of course, the stuff that was doing a little bit of work. And selecting. Can you tell me about your favorite moment? Sort of in the history. It's only been here. Eight months, but in in fifteen years here sort of considering the history of the house e center give it a moment that really sticks out for you think things you receive scientists at NASA. Kirker? But I'm not exactly sure. I'm sure people are really wear of the pacts that come when NASA went to retire. The Suttles we are in the enterprise at the Smithsonian, and there was an intense competition among museums and science centers all across the country is who was going to get the shuttle, and of course, being the country's from your air and Space Museum being the third most visited museum in the world after a museum in Beijing. And the little I'm, of course, the Nashville errands faces even had to have an actual space shuttle, and so to me in two thousand twelve when discovery as I like to say, discovering, hang home. So are Ossie that was really a special moment and action living in the UK at the time. So I wasn't even thinner. But when I hear the stories of people who were here and saw that subtle arriving. I'm really angry that I missed it. Because it it sounds like it was an amazing day. But with you Bill. That we all have I worked on shuttle missions down. I was down in Texas because I was at the devil laboratory. We were flying radar instrument on the shuttle that was looking at the earth. This was in nineteen ninety four on those Jewish were actually Atlanta's and endeavor and on Jones astronaut is frequently here on signing books. He flew on buses missions. And and so when you see shuttle, and you understand nothing went to space. It was in snakes not just once a bunch of times it wants to discovering once the Hubble space telescope, which has changed humanity change how we look at the numbers. Look at the numbers. That thing is incredible. You know, when you look how they should just get this because I. Vehicles for the earth is using this out formative, it is for so like I remember coming through museum on the mall as three hundred and it's interesting to listen to other interviews with you in your background is the scientists, and planetary geologist, and you were an intern at essentially the national museum in college. Can you tell us about your your round with museum in sort of previous life, and sort of leading up to this moment? And how did you hit the science? Lena. My dad worked for NASA. And in fact, on the rockets that he works on a law was a unproved rocket called, the titan Centaur, and there's actually a model of it in the bag up the space hanger, which I didn't realize until I was actually doing an interview with walked up to it. So the model is back in the corner. And so I went to most of the launches that that rocket launched the jurors. Voyageur Q just left the solar system. How crazy that? I actually saw over them launched down in Florida. Another thing it see, I get it. I mean that was just so incredible thing I saw these things launched and now they're both outside was alert system. So when I was a kid growing up because I went to launches an around now. So you know, I got exposed to it. But. It wasn't when I went to the Viking launches. I realized like oh Nelson's face. Perhaps the planet's signs trying to stand Moore's understand the origins of life. And I thought okay, that's what I wanna do. But it was hard to look at NASA. And think of it as someone who looks like me couldn't have a career because all the people that I saw ASA looks like my dad. But Nevertheless, I sort of said that's what I wanna do. And so I went to graduate school. I worked on missions to Venus, miss Mars, the whereas orbiting mission talking and that other conceding the Satter Abbas chief signs of massive for while. Most of what I wrote my career is to look at the surfaces of other planets solar system likeliness like Mars, but it was always to try to understand. Report on because only having one planet to study makes it really hard to understand things like volcanoes. Like, why do we have earthquakes, you know, how does this plant a change over time? How does our climate change over time? Having other planets to compare earth to helps us understand this planet. Watch better. Doc about only seeing people who look like in this. How does the museum sort of change it's face to inspire young women to inspire kids hearing backgrounds to get into careers. You've talked a lot about in science technology engineering that has the museum sort of changes faced for more people. All the stories. I think a lot of people were so inspired by Hidden Figures out more relief federally then the movie that came out like, you know, what we should've known that story all they should not have been Hidden Figures. And in my thing is when I was growing up, and I was little poor women scientists, and it was like Marie Curie. Then it was Murray, Jerry like pay, you know, Mary Zeki. But there there wasn't. There were tons of women Hollomon there were people like either love lights out, actually, invent computing. There were women. Astronomers for example, Caroline Herschel on was out there doing the work. Brother took all the credit for. And that we actually tell her story in the museum. So money is to tell all sports. And as I said, we already do that there aren't Spacey's downtown again, we talk about Herschel of key figure in the early astronomy. We we certainly show even the case on Sally. So Intel a we have a exhibit on husky airmen and doesn't Holman. So we have to tell all the stories. So we can't just tell them in one place. We have to tell them every place all to the museums of every kid who walks in the museum's says someone like me can do has done amazing things. I'm really excited actually later this week. We're going to be getting into this museum. Jackie cochran. Who was the first woman who writes the speed of sound we're getting craft. Exception coming into this museum. We need to show those artifacts. It's how low stories otherwise they'll remain hidden like, unfortunately, Katherine Johnson this way, way way too. Because like orders that people. Here are storytellers cigarette. Just sort of trying to present the story in a different plane. I think what's. So fascinating is interviewing for this information right now on the national. How does the story look? Newer indifferent on the National Mall, and how does housi- for the play a role in that the laundry's twenty twenty five seven and a half years to repair the museums downtown, unfortunately, the the building is in really poor conditions. So we basically have almost rebuild it. So it's going to be done on thinking it as sorta tune three and a half projects says starting in January we closed the West End of the museum of all those galleries will close the Eason will remain open more on that now for for years, then will reopen the western half close the east half of a little bit of a simplification. But we've swap at around so big involved project longtime, but what an opportunity to say, let's bring some artifacts out of storage that have not been disliked before. Let's bring some brighter. That are good for the stories. We want to tell them that live here. We'll take those. Now, let's take some of the items artifacts from dams on that event on display there for over thirty years. Let's bring them out here in put them to stay on here. So it gives us an opportunity, and as you said, it's all about the stories, and to me, those are stories of ideas at two five whether it was a person who was going to invent something that someone told up is possible. Like the Wright brothers when people thought, you know, people can't fly. Well, we'd proves that. Stories women like that's Coleman who had gone to France to get a pilot's lessons. People people like that about four hundred thousand people that were Tommy power program. Those are the stories we want us how and I think what you're going to see downtown renovating see long, the modern look a lot USA technology a lot of storytelling. But also, the iconic artifacts that define us close things like Nealon from suit things like the white flyer in the spirit of sT Louis, so we're going to use those iconic artifacts. So tell me stories of what is American American ingenuity Americans Seymour. There's a bit more of a strengthen Sivlio suspense made. There hasn't been the floor between our housing and the national law and needed to do a bit of chevalier route. You guys are looking forward to that we do and we are looking forward to it. But one of the things I'll be honest with you were still struggling with is, you know, for example to gallery downtown where we have you opportunity, you know, so really tell about story than we do here. But look the most amazing part artifacts of World War. She may be ation. He have also set over here. And so one of the things will really thinking about his use technology. First of all to remind people that house, these there's nothing you can't replace action coming here and standing over there and looking those aircraft. But how do we use technology? What's here at Ozzy that we just? So that people can get very spoke when we're trying to tell the stories because did essentially all the aircraft tell the full story, but we're going to have to do some of it in person. Some technology regard adventure? Yes. You know, people talk about stem Steed. The AM in. Sems tanning for the arts, and friend of mine, always says, no shouldn't steam science technology engineering arts snap, and design and me, you know, there's no better artifacts for steam and the s are seventy one. I mean here it is at native from Los Angeles museum breaking record in an hour and five minutes, then they delivered him. You're our four hour and five minutes. How many light to make it to law? Implicit an hour and four minutes instead of what five hours and take across country. You know, so such an amazing piece of technology such an amazing story that the man who designed that Kelly Johnson will someone who'd been designing aircraft for years and years, and we have a greater really told the story about Kelly Johnston import so hazing history behind it. Amazing sign and then to look at it. And it looks. And that's that design piece that I think is so. A lot of big events coming up from the national taunted. Taunted Apollo fifty then versus since you already sort of celebrate that can you explain that to folks and help integral it is to to to do that is it. Is it as today pies? When Apollo eleven landed on the move the fifty anniversary of that will be July twentieth of next summer. And I think for those of us who do Diddley live through it. It's amazing to look back and think about what was a conquest here you have this young president who set a challenge to nations of making it to the moon within the decade. And remember where we started. We started for almost nothing. They had to build Kennedy Space Center they had to build Johnson Space Center. They had to come up with math, and technology that just didn't exist to get us to the move. And yet they did it in half years, and we celebrated Powell seven in October this week. We celebrate Apollo eight the anniversary of which is actually next week or this coming I'm so then between October six eight and. July sixty nine he's launched five minutes ten long periods. Each of which was doing something incredibly technologically challenging that had never been on before on has what I'd like us to use. This year ahead is reflect on that, you know, what is. How did how did we do that? Again. It's a nation of four hundred thousand people just the astronauts, so that we think about, but I think that concept of a moose. We're now people will be like this is shot at laundry detergent, you're like, Nope. Don't say that. So what does that mean? And and one I really want is for us to think of the next moonshot and for me very much pending humans to Mars the next twenty years. But for those who didn't see it I on chance you can either go to the national. Space Museum website. You didn't go to NASA TV at a p on passed on December twenty four the last. I night. Need held in event at the National Cathedral where we had this Michael hurry visible charge. The administrator NASA and Jim Lovell spoke about Apollo weight. And I tell you it was incredibly moving because Holloway for many of us really involving his. The spirit of Apollo. But it's that all the things I was just talking about, you know, we did this literally sort of last minute. It was planned forms of Holloway. How supposed to go to the motive is supposed to be. They cited to go for the move in front of me. Frisky thing came around the side of the moon took that I conduct reprise image that totally changed. I would argue humanities perception of ourselves. So I'd love that mission. So again, if you didn't get to see see us all talking about the emotion and the import behind that mission. Nasa TV aerospace at one site, and it was called the spirit of Apollo. Can you tell me about your vision for the next fifteen years here in house? You know, I I do this. As I said, I'm clearly doing only how can we get more people here. But you know, this place also is an incredible opportunity. I have to tell you we have more some of these straps up here in the ceiling the proper word for than we can actually hang Warner crap from them. We put more of your. So there's room to do that. This building was also I have to tell you Bill to expanded. We still have hangers full of aircraft out at the facility that'd be Kansas play because we literally have no to display them. I'm so we also have classroom which you can see back they're on more educational center. Minding tribulations fans are patient programs are downtown museum to be as almost a little more of a tourist museum while we certainly do a lot of work with the public schools and we've done doing wore out here in Virginia. We are community museum. We started laughing Prince William county, Fairfax county. How can we expand those programs with our neighbors out here in Virginia? How come each show? We've been warned her tell even more stories, and then eventually might fundraising people don't wanna hear this. Remember, this building was built entirely with private funds that laws restoration were downtown being covered by government funds. We still have to raise the money to do all. Inside the Newseum, but the building work downtown as being covered by the federal government out here. We raise the money for so when I invent eventually expand this, and we'll be with private on it. So this is we finished with downtown. We're going to be looking to see how can we make this place, even bigger even better? And I want to give a plug for people who up please stay this afternoon. Because Stephen VAR housing is going to be here. He's coming in a few hours, and we're going to be interviewing him, and he is the most amazing in his support of this place native happen, if really his individual support from five hundred dollar donations two thousand dollars donation to multimillion dollar donations that allow this place to exist for us to tell these stories so for those of you who aren't members of the national aerospace aside, please join and again, if you have time to stay around later this afternoon, I'm come listen to this even housing. Because he's fairly uninspiring really want. Into the taxi right up to. I'll take some questions we have about ten minutes left. We're going to do this kind of in a low tech way. I think we're close enough to questions, although if now microphone Alison will gladly. Up here. This question. Shuki Paulos down precautions downtown center. Here's. W drew fifty as well. Yeah. Unfortunately, the Apollo gallery downtown has close close about a week ago. And and while we're obviously sad to close it for this fifty anniversary year, you know, that gallery was really tired. We needed to get the artifacts out of it in order to start restoring them. In order to have them ready for what we opened the destination moon exhibit, which will but twenty twenty one and we'll be amazing in. We'll have the iconic f one engine Senate will also have some f one engines that they got off the ocean floor, but we needed to get all the artifacts into the conservation lab and get them restored. We are going to have a special case downtown of Apollo artifacts. That will come out. So they will be Apollo eleven artifacts that will be gone soon. Shoeprint and then Armstrong soup which has been on into conservation lab for quite some time. Now that will come back out in July before the diversity. And then he's pleased on the twentieth of July. We're going to stay open all night. We're going to have a giant party that goes on all night long to celebrate the twentieth anniversary, and we want break attendance records, so fleas under that counter. I'm looking to story. And older and saw it up close in the coolest thing about it. Is it the moon Justice still embedded into the vipers of the spaces really really look at it? And it's like it. If you look at your like opposites, really dirty. Why didn't they clean as renegade? Anyone else is suggestions, I wonder if you're familiar with the American Museum in Amsterdam. You lose it. It has the most advanced eighty season technology for communicating. One example, if you see that you like you can register when you come in with your your computer address in some sort of some sort. Device. And if you see a particular display that you like you can notice pressing and the information fuller information about that exhibit item is such a computer. That is only just beginning. Really should. Plus, I love Amsterdam. Thanks. Several hundred years. It's really looking at an art of you know. To get you on the challenges. We have a person is you are open twenty twenty four. So we also worry about what might be, you know, cutting edge technology now, we don't want it to be like twenty twenty four people come in. And are like oh. Late twenty eighteen some horses. Circling. How do we bring in technology as late processes? We can to make sure that we're taking advantage of what is cutting edge and David. Five and sky raiders fifties. Evans, a very great everybody. Had we. You know, we can send you to collects aircrafts. We are challenged right now in collecting larger craft because we literally have nowhere to put them. In fact, we have World War Two. Playing since baby right now that is actually being it's for more to Peter. If you're gonna go. Oh, we do. We do have a greater influx. Would be. You know, right now, we're really we haven't made the final decisions on what's going to be exhibited downtown on how we will openly raise this place post twenty twenty four so we're still really looking at the entire collection were also thinking about the aircraft quite shoo shoo shoo baby. One of the question. He does donating have anywhere to put right now. So everything is sort of going like this. It is an now you seem high frustration of saying you really would like to expand the spice eventually because there's more that that we have a lot of the aircraft with wanted to collect to bring us up for modern aviation in modern military evasion. Big. Sure. Sounds. Thinking here, that's Peter Jacobite. She juried or who tells me wants to say when I don't want to talk. Do you mind discussing more about your internship at the national spaces you like some really important things they need from these ex? Shirt. And you know, I'm a huge fan of of in terms of. So when you're younger people audience as you go through college, internship, Samir, really great way to sort of experience different careers as something that I would like or not and from the van internship was really pivotal. Because I you know, when I was fourteen I was like, I'm going to become planetary geologists. But you know, frankly, I had no idea what a planetary geologists really did on a day-to-day basis and on that internship was the first one that I had. Where you know to be honest with you, Brian I started as the summer intern. So is literally taking photographs and filing them in the right book for they were supposed to go. Actually, doing anything substantial. But as I stayed there across the summer or the man who ran the center for some very studies, which is on the top floor of the museum. Scientists are. He's a scientist group outlaws. And he came at me, which is another important thing about him for internships. And he came to see me couple weeks ago. And you know, he's with me across my career. And as I say, there's an intern. He could see how interested I was. And I kept asking questions. So he kept giving me slightly more complicated things to do. Besides filing photographs which I guess they feared out I can do that. So they're like won't give me something a little more complicated. Safety safety. But it was just an amazing experience for me, and it really solidified my feeling that I'm on the right track. This is what I want to do. And I could've hated it. I mean, my husband who I didn't know at the time that saying summer he's doing an internship on a long has he thought that's what he wanted to do. And he said like it was the most painful like sixty six is like don't want to be a lawyer. So it's really important. It's either going to be really positive really negative and that to me you have to follow your passion. Especially no matter. What career we spend so much time doing that job? It's got to be something that you care about. I think that's all the time. Thank you so much. Obviously. Fourteen which is over that way student Hosea rice pretty soon. So. You can learn more about the Smithsonian's national air and Space Museum at air and space dot sl dot EDU in. Of course, we look forward to seeing many of you June fifteenth twenty nineteen at the annual innovations in flight day at the VAR hoc- center, keep listening to airplane geeks. And we'll be providing more information as we get closer to the date. Well, that's it for this bits and pieces episode. We hope you enjoyed it. Next week. We'll return to our usual format with aviation news. A great guests a lot more. 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#442: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World
"This episode of the artists Malians podcast is brought to you by squarespace Turner. Great idea into reality with squarespace, squarespace, makes it easier than ever to launch your own passion project, whether you're showcasing your work, selling products of new kind with beautiful templates in the ability to customize just about anything. You can easily make a beautiful website yourself. If you get stuck squarespace, twenty four, seven award winning customer sport is there to help headed squarespace dot com slash manliness for free trial when ready to launch us. The offer code manliness to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain. Advocate here and welcome to another addition of the art of manliness podcast. Rocky Marciano was a slow stocky kid was short arms and stubby legs wasn't the kind of kid you'd pick to one day beat boxer yet. You ought to become the only undefeated heavyweight champion, boxing history. In the process, Marciano became a cultural icon in nineteen fifties America, rubbing shoulders with presidents movie stars in gangsters. How does someone who got a late start sport? It's one of boxing's greatest Athens and what happens to a man when fame and fortune or suddenly thrust upon him. I guess explores those questions in his new book unbeaten rocky Marciano, spiteful perfection in crooked world seems Mike standing in today on the show Mike shares how grit disciplined fate. Let rock to become the only undefeated heavyweight fighter balking history. Mike insures. The challenges rocky face with his new found fame from balancing work and family manage a huge influx of money to navigating the crooked world of organized crime that controlled the world of boxing. When talking about how rocky is both inspiring and tragic figure out of the show's over cheddar show notes is slashing. Marsha, Mike joins me now via clear cast is. Oh. Right, Mike. Stanton, welcome to the show. Hi, Brett. How are you doing well? Well, you got a new bio out about one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time. Some would say, you know, this is again, this is up for debate. We'll talk about whether he is the greatest, but one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time. That's rocky. Marciano are whether a lot of bios about rocky, or were you surprised at like how little there was written about him when you first started thinking about this project? There were a couple of good bios, but not a lot and not anything real recently. And I thought that rocky was just such a great story in such an embodiment of so much of America American history as well as boxing in the middle of the twentieth century that I thought his story deserved to be told to a new generation of of people who might know who he is. No, he was histories only on beaten champion, but don't. Really know anything beyond the broad outlines and then I'm, here's what was your draw to personally? Because I mean you were, you said, in the book you he was, you were eleven years old when he died. So that me about two years old when he retired. So you probably never saw them fight live, you missed the period when he was like the biggest thing in America. So I mean, without that first hand experience, what what drew you to to writing about him? Well, a couple of things. First of all, I always believe that all history, biography, and I love history, and I love telling stories about America and who we are and how we got here and and rocky seemed like a great embodiment of that. And I discovered his story as a longtime newspaper reporter in Providence, Rhode Island. And I wrote a book prince providence about the longtime mayor, buddy CNC, who was a very colorful rogue and the mayor in more recent times. But when he was a boy, I discovered in my research, his father would take him to fight night at the Red Eye. Island auditorium in providence. And this would have been in the late nineteen forties, early nineteen, fifties. And that was when rocky Marciano was the headliner there. He came from Brockton Massachusetts, about thirty five miles away. And I was just fascinated by that culture. First of all, not just in providence, but across America and around the World. Boxing was one of the biggest sports back in that era. If you're the heavyweight champion of the world, everybody knew who you were. You walked with presidents and kings and movie stars. And I was also interested in that whole colorful guys and dolls era of, you know, the characters who lurked around boxing the mafia, you know the the, the spectacle, the big fight in a smoke filled arena at Madison Square Garden, and then toots Shore's and the nightclub scene afterwards. How big of a deal was, was he doing the nineteen fifties? I mean, how much of a cultural impact did he have on America? He was huge. I mean, if you want to understand America in the nineteen forties and fifties, you know, you need to know about rocky, MARCY. He was the heavyweight champion of the world from nineteen fifty two to fifty six. And that was the that post war era in America. After World War Two, there was this euphoria and he kind of embodied. The American spirit of anything was possible. Anyone could be a contender and he was also the poster boy for American might makes right in this in the Cold War era that we entered into. In fact, the speaker, the US congress. Actually, you know, held him up as a symbol of American superiority. And his manager said that he punched like the atomic bomb. So he was really a reflection of that era. And he was also this is kind of the darker side of that era. He was viewed by a lot of Americans as the great white hope. And that wasn't a mantle. He put on himself. He had a good relationship with black fighters. He respected what they went through, and I get into a lot of that in the book, you know the racial climate, but that was how he was viewed. And you know when he won the champ. Sian ship. He went to the White House and President Eisenhower measured as fist, and Joe DiMaggio was standing there and you know everybody wanted to meet rocky. Yeah, he was the first white heavyweight champion the world for anything like fifteen or twenty years, right? Yeah, since Joe Louis knocked out James Braddock in nineteen thirty seven to break the color line that had been enforced in boxing since the early nineteen hundreds when the controversial Jack Johnson was the champion and Joe Louis, of course, you know, he transcended race. He was, you know, the American champion who beat next Schmeling Hitler's champion in the years, leading up to World War Two. And then he served in the army during the war was an American hero, and he was a hero Rockies. Rocky was listening as a boy when the on the radio at the Brockton fairgrounds, when Lewis knocked out Schmeling and years later when rocky has to face Lewis and knocks out his boyhood idol to put him on the path to the title rock. Cried. Yeah. Well, we can talk about that then a bit somebody. Let's get to his his way. What led to him becoming the heavyweight champion of the world? Because I, I knew nothing about like hardly anything about rocky before this book. So what was he like as a boy did I mean was I read a lot of other buyers have fighters, and you would see you could see signs that they would be a boxer, right? Yeah. Early in life getting lots of scraps or they just they found the local gym. They just hung out there all the time was rocky. Like that was like, you could see from young age like he was destined to become the heavyweight champion of the world? Yes and no. I mean, the first thing he looked hitting was a baseball. I mean, he loved to play baseball, but he loves sports of all kinds. He was, you know, he was a classic. You know, immigrant son father came over from Italy, mother came over from Italy. They met in Brockton. The father worked in a shoe factory Brockton was the shoe factory capital sent out twelve million pairs year around the world and rocky. They. Lived on a big playground and rocky was outdoors and all all weather playing all sports. The other thing, boxing was a big part of our culture back then. And so boys fought kids would set up rings in the neighborhood and someone's backyard, and they would have a fight. They would put on the oversized gloves and go at it and kids spot over bragging rights. You know, s different ethnic groups in Brockton. The Irish kids in the Italian kids would would fight it out or friends would settle their differences, but then they would blow over like a summer storm. And so- rocky was a big strong husky kid. Great appetite. As I said, love sports kind of quiet, but he hung out with some friends who are very mischievous and would get into fights, and then they would call on rocky the strong silent one to kind of, you know, restore order. And so- rocky hadn't neighborhood reputation as the strongest kid in the neighborhood and needed a little, you know, fooling around boxing, but all kids did back then. Yeah. What was his relationship like with his parents? It was very close. He was the eldest son in a family of six, three. Boys and three girls. You know the the oldest son in, you know, firstborn. First generation immigrant family has has a special place. You know, he would be the one that would go to the school with his parents who didn't speak English very well. You know if one of the other siblings was having trouble with a teacher and he was the one when he got older, who would get a paper route and other odd jobs to try to make money to help the family make ends meet. I mean, they grew up, they were in the Italian second mortar Brockton. It was a working class neighborhood, and you know, they struggled during the depression, but you know, his father kept working and you know they made ends meet. And in some ways it was a very idyllic childhood, and he was very close with his parents, and you know, through all the twists and turns it, his life later took, you always remained close to them, and he always had that pride in being their breadwinner. And you mentioned the these friends that he hung out with. I mean, these, these friendships, he made. They didn't weren't just childhood friends with like these lasted throughout his entire life. And some of these guys even had a. A big role in his career as a boxer. Yeah. And what's interesting about rocky is that you know, boxing is a pretty cutthroat business. It was a very cutthroat sport and rocky learned to trust the people who had been within the longest the the people that came along later for the most part, he knew he couldn't trust them. So he always Brockton was always touchstone, you know, his oldest friends, we're always the ones he trusted the most and who were by his side. You know, one friend in particular, who was a few years older, Allie Colombo, you know, live next door always organized baseball games and Allie was the one who really pushed him when he started out in boxing and really didn't know his way and didn't know you know how to go about it. An alley. Was there right through his entire career and other friends would come to his training camps at grossing hers, and you know, keep the spirits up and the there was that bond he had. And the other thing of this was a gambling culture. Everybody bet on things. And when rocky went into the ring, he said, I knew I could never fall down. I, you know, for for the people. Brockton I would always get up because I knew they were counting on me. They were betting their their money on me and I wasn't going to let them down, you know. So we not not much interested in botany. He did have an interest in boxing, but he was more of a baseball player as young boy. And I what I love reading biographies about, you know, about famous people or people who did great things, you know, from decades gone by. I think a lot of young people today, think this idea or this feeling of listlessness or not knowing what they're supposed to do with their lives is like something new. And you know their grandfather's like had it all figured out when they were twenty two as well. But when you read these biographies of these guys like they were just as clueless as twenty-something today and like rocky was the same way like he would. He was in his early twenties and he didn't really have his bearings. He didn't know he wanted to do with his life. No. Well, you know what I mean back then his ticket. There was a one way ticket to the shoe factory and for you know, blue collar Italian kid without. A lot of other opportunities without an education. He dropped out of high school. He was the first to admit that he wasn't a big lover of books. Sports was his way out. And initially he thought that would be baseball. He could hit the ball a mile and he was, you know, short stout prototypical catcher, but maybe you know, life has its twists and maybe it all happened for a reason. But he went down to spring training with the Chicago Cubs in nineteen forty seven, and he had a tryout with them and he hit the ball pretty well. But the supreme irony is that he couldn't make a strong throw to second base from catcher. And here he is the greatest, you know, slugger in heavyweight history can't make a strong throw to second, and that was his undoing in baseball. What do you think kill them back from from having that strong throat is by being throw a really strong punch? Well, he said that he had injured his arm in the army playing sports. It was never quite clear, but you know, let's face it. The the competition is stiff in to make the major league baseball, rosters, especially back then when there are far. Fewer teams? Yeah. And you know, and there are a lot of good ball players from Brockton. I mean, he went down with some friends who were good ball players and some stuck in the the miners. I years one made it to the triple eight dodgers team, but then got hurt and stop playing. And actually they were signed by the scout that signed the Chicago Cubs player who was the inspiration for the movie, the natural. So you know a lot of good ball players then, and that was Rockies love. And later when he became a successful boxer, he found himself being friends with Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio, and you know, other great baseball stars, like Yogi Berra. Yeah, so, but it's still at this point like he wasn't boxing like regularly? Well, not, no. And what's interesting though when you like I was saying everything happens for reason when he was when he became a boxer, his trainer incorporated some of his baseball mannerisms, particularly his cr- catcher's crouch into his fighting style because rocky was short. And he needed, you know, to get up close to his opponents to, you know, be able to hit them and that opened them up to being hit. So he had to be, you know, he had to be down low so they couldn't get at them. Yeah. Well, so another thing that added to Marciano, HS all American appeal when he became a celebrity was that he served in the army during World War Two. But the thing is he never really talked about it much. Why is that? Well, one of the things I discovered in my research for this book, I heard some rumblings. He had some problems in the army, and when I got his army file from the national archives in Saint Louis, I discovered that he had been court-martialed along with another GI for robbing and assaulting. Two British civilians rocky was over in England on the eve of the d day invasion. He was in an army combat engineers unit that was going to deploy to Normandy as part of the invasion. And on the night he got into trouble. He was supposed to be. Find to base because the d day was coming and he and his friends snuck off as they went to a pub, they met a couple of British civilians who work for an airplane company. They were back at the civilians apartment and they, they got into a fight and they robbed them and and punch them and and we're later court martials. So they never deployed to Normandy and rocky wound up being sentenced and wound up serving two years in the military prison back in Indiana. And this was in the spring and nineteen forty four around the time of day. And then he was freed in the spring of nineteen forty six the year after the war ended. And unlike most people who were, you know, drafted into the army for or two who service ended with the war rocky state in through the end of nineteen forty six. So he could come out with an honorable discharge. And that was really a pivotal point when his boxing career really begins in a more formal way because he goes out and serves in fort Lewis, Washington state. Eight, any boxes on the army, boxing team, which is a very good team. And he starts to fight regularly for the first time and he gets himself into shape. He had fought an amateur fight back in Brockton before he went out to fort Louis, but he was totally out of shape. He went over to his uncle's house, needed a big dish macaroni before the fight, and he ran out of gas in the second round, and he needed a point opponent in the in the groin and was disqualified. So after that he said, I'm not going to bear myself anymore. He got himself into shape in the army and p box pretty well out there. And he went to the national AU championships in Portland, Oregon, where he reached the finals and another fateful turn happened in his career at this point in the semi's because he was so clumsy. He could hit hard, but he was very clumsy. He hit his opponent on the head and he he's fractured knuckle very severely and it could have been a career ending injury and fatefully. There was a Japanese American army surgeon. At fort Lewis, Thomas Takeda who performed an experimental operation and saved Rockies knuckle and allowed him to be able to fight and interesting doctors. Takeda's family had been interned in Japanese American prison camps during World War Two, but Dr Takeda was in medical school and was spared that and he was in the right place at the right time as far as Rockies career was concerned. So when he started boxing on the army team, like did he did he have any formal boxing training, or do you just kind of get in there and sort of like going back falling back into those school yard scraps? He had like, that's how he boxed. Yeah, he box like, yeah, that's how he box. I mean, they had coaches on the army team and they started to give him advice and you know he was, he was training so he could. He could, you know, have the energy to go, you know, the distance and the fights he had unless he knocked his opponent out as he often did, but he was still very ru. He was very rude and crude and and well into his career as a professional. He was. Is well, but this was the beginning of the formal education of rocky Marciano in the ring. And what point in this, you know, how old was he at this point? Let's kind of get some context there. He would have been about twenty two twenty three years old. At this point twenty two years old set me. It's kind of a late start getting into the boxing game. Yeah, his trainer, Charlie Goldman once said, you know, he started way too late. I got a guy who's got two left feet. He stoop shouldered. He's balding. He don't look so good with the moves in the ring, but his opponents don't look so good on the canvas either. Right. And so what point did rocky think like I could turn this like boxing is going to be my ticket out of the shoe factory, like when did he think that that was going to be reality? Well, after he got out of the army at the beginning of nineteen forty seven, he carried on his boxing experience. He fought some amateur fights. Gold Gloves, fights in New England, but then he had his baseball tryout with the cubs that spring and he really wasn't so enamored with boxing. It was just a way to make a pay. Check while he waited for the baseball career to take off. And once that didn't take off, he came back in the spring of forty, seven, and that was when he started boxing and Ernest and his friend, Allie Colombo was the first one that really see that. You know, he thought rocky could go all the way which seems pretty ridiculous to think about back then, but that was the dream that alley had and and rocky didn't really have any alternatives. And the interesting thing you asked about his relationship with his parents. You know, the first son of an Italian mother. She hated the idea of him fighting, didn't wanna see him fight would be upset about it. So he's to sneak out of the house to train. And you know, in the spring of forty seven, he went, he snuck out to holyoke, Massachusetts, and he fought his first professional fight, and he fought it under an assumed name. Rocky MAC, an Irish name on Saint Patrick's Day in an Irish working class city, and he won his first fight. And then you know, he kind of crept back to Brockton without letting his mother. No. And later when she did find out he was fighting. She always made him promise that he would stop if he ever got hurt, and she'd always make him lift up his shirt and inspect his body for marks to see if he could keep fighting well, didn't. He like that affected his fighting style because he would. He would stand certain ways he wouldn't face when he later got a a season manage of manager and trainer, and they looked at him and said, why are you? You know, holding your hands up like that and letting people hit you in the stomach. He goes, well, I just figured let them punch themselves out. I, I don't wanna get hit in the face because that would leave a Mark. And then my mom would see it and his mother was this indomitable woman Pasqualina or Lena, and that's where she got. That's where he got his strength from. She was a big, powerful woman, very gregarious, five Asia's the heart and soul of that family. And you know, his friends would say that he she was the one person that people feared in his house. So rocky starts boxing semi professionally, he's, I mean he's trying to maintain an amateur status, so you can be eligible for the. A you golden glove, right? But you know, like those rules got flouted all the time. People would fight like he did fight under different names. Yeah. When did he get connected with like a legit manager and trainer that would lead him and train him to actually hit, you know, turn pro. Well, that would be in in the summer of nineteen forty eight. He'd been boxing, some amateur fights. He'd won the New England golden gloves and Lowell, Massachusetts, and he went down to New York where he lost to Coley Wallis was kind of a young upcoming lack fighter who is hailed as the next Joe Louis. The only way he was the next Joe Louis was he played him in a movie, but Wallace won a controversial decision in New York that a lot of people felt should have gone to rocky. And that probably cost rocky a shot at the Olympics, the Olympic team. But at that point, the local manager in Brockton that rocky head for amateur fights. You know, they weren't really getting along and Rockies had some. Family advisors who'd been in the fight game, and they said, you've got to go to New York. You've gotta get connected manager. New York is the center of the boxing universe and boxing, such a treacherous sport you gotta you gotta have a guy with connections is going to look out for you get you the proper training and get you. You know, the the fights to put you on the path to the top. So he went to New York, and he got a meeting with the premier manager at the time guy named l. wile who was a great character. And while was the matchmaker for the International Boxing club, which controlled boxing or would be, and he was very influential. He'd had three champions and other way classes, and you know, so he got hooked up with Al Weill and l. wile brought along his trainer. Charlie Goldman who was a walking encyclopedia, boxing knowledge, earned in four hundred. You know, bantamweight fights of his own in the early nineteen hundreds. And so with those two guys in his corner, rocky started a more formal education in the ring that would later put him on the path to the. Title Billy initially, these guys didn't think much of rocky. No, they didn't. And you know, he was a guy who was very clumsy. He was very awkward. He was slow. He was short. He was old for a fighter starting out and they actually bought him brought him down to the gym down in lower Manhattan. CYO. Jim just had him Spar a few rounds with a guy, and they're looking at each other Goldman and wile, and some of the other guys in the gym and they're shaking their heads and then suddenly out of nowhere rocky floors, the guy with this thunderous you know looping. Right. And then they started to take notice, and you know later Charley Goldman with nickname that punch the Suzie q., and it was that punch that convinced them and also Rockies dedication. They could tell you really wanted it. He wasn't going to run around and fool around with girls and party, and you know, he was going to train and he was among about it. And so they took a chance on them and you know it didn't cost them anything. You know, they told them to train. And they weren't putting any money into them at the beginning and because rocky didn't really have a lot of money. He was digging ditches back in Brockton. They wanted him to move to New York and train, but they didn't want to pay his expenses. And he said, well, I can't afford that. So while who's connected all over the place sent him to Providence Rhode Island, which was the fight capital of New England back then as well as the mob capital. And that's where rocky started to fight because he could, you know, live at home in Brockton and he could go over to providence for fights. And then he would hitch a ride on overnight produce trucks down from Brockton to New York to train with Goldman, and he lived at the YMCA for a dollar a night, right? So, yeah, this is like this is the tip of the prototypical boxing story, like he was living at fully. Yeah. I mean, I love the images. I found of him and his friend, Allie who was by his side for all of this, and they would roll off the produce truck at like four in the morning and lower Manhattan, and the sun would be coming up and they didn't have much money in. Their pockets, and they would just walk the streets and at night for entertainment, they would walk up and down Broadway watching the people in their fine clothes. And you know dream of that life and one time he saw the, you know, the great fighter Willie pep who was a champion, and he saw him walking up Broadway with a beautiful woman on his arm, and they were both well dressed, and he bought her a flower and Hindu tour lapel. And they went into a fancy theater and rocky dreamed of having that life. So he's in providence, he's doing some fights doing the work. What point? What was the fight that brought rocky to the to the national stage like, yeah, he, he was a contender. Yeah. Well, he built his record up in providence and he became a real crowd favourite their first of all provinces of big talion American town. And so they loved him and everybody loved his knockout punch. There came a tradition in providence that whenever you know, rocky would be ready to knock out one of his opponents. You know he would hit. Them with his punch, his Suzie q., and the guy would kind of stand there and topple for a minute. And then he would crash to the canvas and the crowd with yell timber. And so- rocky started to develop a reputation and after a few fights, the local promoter was initially, you know, angry without wile because I'll Weill would always, you know, betray these other managers and cut deals. It would screw them. And so they kept trying to put guys in the ring that would beat rocky and while up but rocky kept knocking them out. And finally, while set, you know, the local promoter said l. you better lock this guy up. He's, you know, starting to get a following. So while signed him to a contract. And that's when he started to come down in New York and train. So he kept winning all these fights. And then he finally gets to the point where he has his first big feature fight in Madison Square Garden a few nights before New Year's Eve in nineteen forty nine, and he fights a guy named Carmine bingo who is also an unbeaten up and coming younger talion fighter. From the Bronx who has a big following their seem as bingo, bingo, and they have one of these great unknown fights that really puts rocky on the map in some ways, it puts them on the map for the wrong reasons because they start wailing away on each other. And it's like two heavyweights fighting at the speed and intensity of lightweights and their landings landing thunderous punches on each other. And the New York Times rotor writer wrote that it would seem like more than human, you know, endurance could stand and finally in the six in like the third or fourth round thing, go hit rocky, a tremendous shot to the chest and rocky later said he blacked out, but he stayed on his feet and just went into a clinch until he could re regain his senses and in the six round with bingo, tiring rocky, you know, hit him with a thunderous, right? Put him on the canvas than his head kind of thumped up and hit the canvas again. And while rocky was celebrating bingo, slipped into a coma and later, you know, the ring doctor tried to revive him was unsuccessful. They called an ambulance. They couldn't get an. Ambulance to come. So they piled blankets and coats on him and and carried him through the streets of Manhattan to nearby hospital. And then rocky heard about it and went over there and and stood. Vigil is VIN goes family and theon say came, and he basically fought to see if he would live or die and a few few days later, he pulls out of the coma and he eventually recovers, but not never will fight. Again, he's blinded in one eye. He has a permanent limp and for the rest of his life. Ingo never remembered that fight. The last thing remembered was the six steps leading up from the floor of Madison Square Garden to the ring. And then the next thing you remember was lying in the hospital bed and seeing his mother. We're gonna take a break forward more sponsors. If you find it fulfilling to explore new interests and develop new skills, you're gonna love the great courses. Plus when you sign up for the great courses, plus you get unlimited access to learn from leading professors and experts. But anything interesting history science philosophy can even learn your language, master photography, Russia on your business skills, their thousands of. 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Percent off your first purchase of a website or go Maine, and now back to the show, how did that affect the rest of Rockies careers? I'm sure like knowing that you almost killed a guy would I don't know make you a bit timid next time you go into the ring. Absolutely. And it did, but the long term effect would have been had bingo died. You know, rocky said that he's not sure he could've continued. Had bingo, died. I, I'm not sure that's true. And in Rockies friends think he would've continued, but still you wonder how the effect it's gonna have on you, and that's the specter of boxing, isn't it? That's death in the ring that lurks. And it's interesting you know, in researching this period, I found that as popular as boxing was it was kind of like the NFL of its day and people loved it. But they also had this love hate relationship with it, and they realized that they were like, you know, lusting for blood and lusting for the thrill of seeing another man potentially killed or maimed, and there was a lot of hand wringing publicly about whether box. Had a role in society. And interestingly, you know, rocky later came around some of those us later in life. But at the time there was a lot of talk about what kind of reforms can we put in the boxing to make it safer. Can you make it safer? But it did bother rocky. He was very unedu- about what had happened and other great fighters. You know his trainers and other great fighters lose their killer instinct. And his next fight was his next big fight in the garden against role. Endless stars who was another unbeaten, young darling heavyweight of the New York press. He was very stylistic. He'd gone a local college, but he was a guy that lacked killer instinct and they kind of they kind of compared it to a Dempsey versus Tonny fight. You know, Dempsey being rocky, the hard hitter and tunny being the more thoughtful strategic defensive fighter and rocky won that fight in a very narrow controversial, ten round decision, and that is since we're garden, and that really put him on the path to being a contender. And from then on his fights were headline. Inner fights. He wasn't on the undercard after that fight in nineteen fifty, the stars rape, and then he eventually fights. Joe Louis. This wasn't for the title though. Correct? There was another guy who held the title, Joe Louis jersey, Joe Walcott, and as Charles were champions in reverse order after Lewis step down. And then what happened was you know this, the tragedy of Joe Louis is life was he had a lot of debts and he needed to come back into the ring to try to make money even though he was past his prime, but he was still the Brown bomber. He was still Joe Louis. And so when rocky was rising to contender status, Lewis was suddenly the the match that was made for them to face each other. And when rocky one that fight in October of nineteen fifty one, he was kind of declared the champion in waiting. And again, some of this goes the racial overtones of the era that after Joe Louis the black champions, we're kind of unsung and really didn't never really connected with the public and. Hockey was seen as the fresh face a white face, the great white hope if you will. And once he Joe Louis his idol, he was the, he was the top contender to the crown. I wonder if rocky rocky seen Joe Louis had an influence on how rocky decided to end his career because it's like Joe Louis story, super sad, but that was the story of a lot of heavyweight. A lot of boxers in that time they would go and they'd make a lot of money and they retire and they would need more money. So they'd come out of retirement and they're past their prime, and they're still trying to win one more fight. And it's sad, right? And it's just tragic. And I, I wonder if rocky saw that it was like, I'm not going to do that. So that's why you just decided I'm I'm going to walk away, walk away completely from boxing. Yeah, he was forty. Nine. Oh, you was in his early thirties. He still had some fights left in him. Fifty zero would have been a nice round number, but he, you know, there are two things that rocky was afraid of. He was afraid of not having money, you know, he grew up in the depression. He also saw a lot of fighters who got fleeced and left with nothing. You know, they lived the good life while it was there, and then it was gone. He also saw a lot of, you know, broken down fighters who you know are sitting alone, mumbling and bars, and you know their wits aren't all about them, and he feared that those are the two things he feared. And he was really kind of a, he was a real assassin in the ring, but he was a pretty gentle man out of it and he didn't really hold grudges against fighters. The one time he really got mad at a fighter though was when he was champion and he fought role in stars in a rematch and he was angry that before the fight stars was quoted making some comments about the way rocky fights. He takes so many punches he's going to become Punchdrunk and that really struck a nerve with rocky because he feared that and he didn't want that. And he knew when the walk away and there were some other reasons we can get into about his manager stealing from him. But again, goes back to his, you know. Fear of not having enough money, but that was that he had the presence of mind and later in life he helped Joe Louis. He helped Joe Louis get jobs. And when he met Muhammad Ali late in his life Ali wife poll rocky aside one day and said, do you think I can get, you know, Muhammed to retire and rocky looked at her and said, no, Darlan. He's got the, he's got the lust in his eye and he's just gonna have to. He's too big an ego. He's not going to stop. So you mentioned once rocky decided he was going to do boxing. He became pretty much among like he quit smoking. He quit drinking and then his, you go into his training camps, and he become even more monk light. So walk us through his training regimens to get ready for a fight in like the the extremes he'd go to to make sure he was in tiptop shape for a fight. Rocky realized that his body was his temple. And you know, he would train for months. He would do. He would run relentlessly even and he would box like several hundred rounds to prepare for ten or fifteen round fight. And the other thing about him is even when he wasn't formerly in training, he would always be working out. You know, his brother talked about waking up in the middle of the night, you know, and there's rocky, you know, on the floor doing push up, you know, push ups with a chair, or you know, some exercise, you know, squeezing a ball with his hand to strengthen, you know, the knuckles that he had broken. So he was. Always training and he liked the heat. He said, all this reminds me of digging ditches and Brockton. You know, he liked enduring punishment. Sometimes he would go up to grossing in the catskill mountains of New York in the winter. And he said that the cold wind would toughness skin, so he was he was a rough, tough guy? Yeah. Yeah, not only was it like the physical training was hard like he would. He would sort of, I don't know, spiritually psychologically prepared over these sites like he would have no distractions whatsoever. He wouldn't see his family. He would cut off mail. It was just thinking about fighting all the time. Yeah, you wouldn't read stories about his opponents, and he would just have paint mental pictures and some ways he was a good model for athletes today about how to train. He was ahead of his time in terms of, you know, avoiding fried foods and eating green vegetables, and you know things like that. He he also somewhere early on, somebody told him, don't lift weights and get yourself all bulked up. He was more about flexibility, and even though he was not, you know, the most graceful of fighters. You know, he kind of incorporated that into his training. One of the things he did when he was young, he would go to the Brockton YMCA and getting the swimming pool, and he would throw punches underwater. And he would go like mach three rounds. And you know, people would come into the pool area and see the water sloshing up over the sides from the force of his underwater punching, right? So, yeah, he had a lot of disciplined. He knew how to just discipline himself, incredible discipline. There's a great story. I found there was a Hollywood bombshell actress named Jayne Mansfield, kind of like Marilyn Monroe type and she goes, she's the cat. The grossing his training camp was also, you know, big entertainment, mecca. A lot of Hollywood stars go and entertain the people at the resort down the hill from where rocky trained. So they're always stars around and Jayne. Mansfield was grossing. Once when rocky was training and some friends thought it would be kind of a funny joke to send her into his cabin to see if she could seduce him and she went in and you know, not many men would say no to Jayne Mansfield. Back then, but he said no. And she left his cabinet in a huff, you know frustrated. He had rejected her which she wasn't accustomed to. Right. But that was rocky. He said there would be plenty of time for living the good life later. But again, it was I think that fear that drove him and that pride, you know, even even if he got knocked down while he was sparring, he would wanna Spar more say, I just slipped and fell there. Was that fierce pride? Well, yeah. You mentioned earlier that when he fought like he, he felt like the weight of the world on his shoulders. He wasn't just fighting for him and his family when we talk about his family life here in a bit, but he's also fighting for the people in Brockton because he knew people were probably betting enormous amounts of money on him and he couldn't let them down. Yeah, they were. I mean, it was part of the culture. Then people gambled and you know he was a kid. He would go to these illegal dice games in the woods behind the the ball field, or there was a a one legged gambler from providence named peg leg. Pete would run them and gambling was ingrained in the culture. And it was interesting. I found that when rocky started his rise in boxing, you know, started getting the bigger fights. The people in Brockton you know, little old Italian ladies and men would you know, take the money that the dollar Bill stashing their coffee tins and they would bet it on rocky, and then he'd win and they'd take the winnings and they'd roll it over and bet on the next flight and the next flight. And then you'd hear stories about people in Brockton we'd be buying, you know, refrigerators and stoves and cars, and even new houses. And there was one taxi driver after rocky became champion. He told a visitor that, you know before every fight, he takes his elderly Italian couple to the local loan company so they can borrow money and he said, heaven help Brockton if rocky ever loses. But he never did. And he said, you know, I knew that these people were counting on me and for them I would always get up. Yeah, Rockies Italian, American family, obviously, very important. He gets married, took them a while because as manager. Or didn't want him to get married because it would distract from boxing, but he finally does get married to his wife, Barbara, right Saturday. He gets married to Barbara cousins. Yeah, but I mean, so he was gone all the time. So how did his boxing career? How did he balanced boxing or family, or did he? Well, that was a real tension not so much in his marriage. At the time. It was more attention within himself because you know his wife Barbara, she was a good natural athlete and she accepted what he was doing and she was willing to make the sacrifice, but it was hard on rocky. You know, he wa- he talk about, you know, I've just gotten married or engaged, and I can't see my my wife or my fiance, and then when they had a daughter after he became champion, he would bemoan you know, I miss my family. I haven't seen my daughter in eight months. I go home and she doesn't even know me. She scared of me and runs away. And you know, this is a guy that grew up with strong family bonds. So that was hard. But he also loved boxing, he loved training, and you know he was willing to. The sacrifice and he didn't regret doing it. So what I found interesting about Rockies careers, even though he was winning every match, he was in a knocking people out the journalist and the boxing critics were. I mean, they, they still, they weren't that impr- like they always criticizing him and then he wasn't that. He wasn't actually that great of a boxer. I mean, what? What was their critique against rocky despite him winning every single round that he every single match he was put in? Well, he was slow. He was awkward. He was clumsy. He wasn't a great stylist. People were used to the stylists, like Joe Louis who are very graceful and you know, counterpunchers and good strategists and or quick and could move in and out. And he was like a bulldozer, and you know, he was like a working class guy. He'd come in with his pick axe, and he just keep banging on the brick wall and seemingly futility until suddenly the wall crumbled. And finally, again the the Cold War. America started to embrace that, you know heavy puncher and they started to like that about him. But you know, he was a guy who could never went on dial points and you know, even as he advanced in his career, you know, he and his trainer would admit that, you know, he's not the most graceful guy, but there's more than one way to win a fight and rocky had the punch. And he also had the ability to take a punch and taking credible punishment and keep going. You know, when he was knocked down when he was bloody when his nose was hanging in, you know, tatters and bleeding like a faucet, he just kept coming. Yeah, the dedication or the determination, the grit that he had that seemed that that surprised opponents. That'd be like, I, I gave them a really good, you know, wall up, but like he just he didn't go down. You just kept coming at me. One opponents said it was like hitting the side of a rhino Archie Moore said it was like waiting into a moving airplane propeller and another opponent early on said that every time rocky hit you, you saw a flash of light right? So let's talk about his manager because his manager, as you said, he's a character. Someone described him as Hitler and Mussalini rolled into one or something like that had connections to the mob. What what was Rockies always? He's talion American. He's a boxer so he must have rubbed shoulders Cincinnati in early day since he was a kid. He was also going this gambling. So you probably saw it encountered it. What did he think about was one of those things where he was both. There was tension there like he was both appalled and sorta drawn to it at the same time, very much attention. And that would manifest itself more after he retired from the ring, and he needed a new outlet for, you know, the adrenaline rush of boxing and he would hang around these dangerous mobsters who all adored him and they adored him because he was one of them. He was a countryman, but also because he did them proud and he resented that. You know, anti Italian prejudice and stereotype that mobsters brought onto his race and he resented, you know, the corruption in boxing in the mob control permeated it, and it didn't matter whether you were black Italian, Latino Irish. I mean, if you were a boxer in your, you know, in the mix, you had to deal with the mob in some way, shape or form because they were in the background behind all of it. And so of course, you know the the flip side of the coin rocky gets one of the most politically connected managers in boxing l. wile. And that means that l. wile is is also answers to Frankie carbo who's in the Torius mobster known as the underworld Commissioner of boxing, as well as a hitman for murdering implicated in five murders, including his former partner Bugsy Siegel and l. wile though was a real character and there's real tension between rocky and and while throughout his career. First of all, he hitches in star to this, you know. Big time manager and he's happy about that because he's going to get on the shot at the title l. y. was an interesting character. You know, he and Charlie Goldman came of age, you know, both poor immigrants Jewish immigrants from New York from Europe. In the early nineteen hundreds, they come to New York. They battled their way up. And while interestingly, he started dancing in the dancehalls and winning five dollars in these dance competitions, and that's how he survived. And one of his rivals was a young up and coming future star actor named George raft. This is in Manhattan and later he gravitates into the boxing game, and it turns out he's got a real gift for matching fighters, and so he gets into that, but he still hustling odd jobs. Boxing is still illegal a lot of the a lot of years in the early nineteen hundreds. And so he's working at the golden city amusement park in on the waterfront in Brooklyn and Canarsie. And he he's running the high striker you know, getting guys to impress their girls by, you know, take in the mouth. Allitt and hitting the bell, and you know, winning prize and nearby. He meets this guy. This old, you know, broken down boxer named Charley Goldman who's running the wheel of fortune and they wind up striking up this great partnership. The produces three world champions, you know, lightweight Lou ambers featherweight, Joey Archibald in a welterweight in mardi Cervo, but they've never, you know, the one crown that's alluded them is the heavyweight crown, the most glamorous of all. And so when they take rocky on Rockies eager because now he's got the best management. But while is very domineering, you know, there's one profile compares him to Hitler. Mussolini Stalin and Simon Greer rolled into one, and this is a favourable profile. But while was the master manipulator he was a control freak and he would tell his fighters, you know, went to eat, went to sleep where to go, who you know, whether they could date when they could marry. And he was very domineering, his very crude and. Abrasive, and you know, didn't always treat rocky well and rocky bristled at that. But he had enough, you know, restraint, he knew he had to, you know, put up with that to get to the title. And so you know, that was the that was the uneasy marriage that lasted throughout his career and eventually broke up and was a big reason. The rocky retired when he did oils talk about his retirement. So he, you mentioned that he loved boxing, he loved training, but when he was getting to like, you know, when forty eight forty, seven. He was talking to people's like I just it's just doesn't do it for me anymore. Like there's, I've climbed all the mountains, what I'm what what else am I supposed to do? So there was that. And what else about his relationship with wile that made him wanna retire as well? Well, as I said, while was connected to the mob and the mob would skim the money from a lot of these fights because it became a very Luke, you know, we always know. I mean, Dan. Runyon guys and dolls, I mean, that's Rockies life, and that's the world of boxing. And so we know the mob is always been around the fight game and all these characters. But what people don't realize I discovered in researching this book was after World War Two, boxing becomes bigger time because of all the new TV money TV is suddenly in every Americans home and the two biggest early forms of entertainment were boxing, and I love Lucy. And so there's a lot of money now to be made. And so while is is taking half of Rockies money earnings even for public appearances outside of the ring, which is a lucrative side business for champions. And on top of that rocky starting to hear rumblings that while is is selling tickets. You know, under the table that he's not sharing any of the proceeds with rocky, you know, to his big fights that he's skimming money off the top of his purses before he gives it up and then he's fighting in San Francisco against Don. Cal. In the spring of nineteen fifty-five second last fight. And there's a boxing investigation of the corruption out there that later uncovers ten thousand dollar check that was cashed and went to while that was skimmed off the top Iraqis purses. So this was all starting to build up in rocky. And now he's the champion. He's got some independence and he's just had it and he's also burned out from, you know, when you train his heart and as long as he did, even though his career was relatively short, he he was, he had had it and he was starting to have some in, you know, back trouble. Any did see what happened to Joe Louis? And he did see what happened to some of these other broken down fighters needed wanna follow in their path. And so he decided after he fought Archie Moore and Yankee Stadium in the fall of nineteen fifty-five that that was it, he was done and he walked away. So we retires. I mean, this guy, you know, for the past was ten years, just constantly. Moving constantly training always going after something. What does it guy like that do when there's nothing to go after like no set goal to go after? Yeah, he kinda drifts at first. He enjoys it and he's the most famous man in the world. He can command all kinds of money from business deals. Speaking fees, people wanna throw money at him. They wanna give him, you know, land. They wanna give him suits, restaurants, hotels, plane flights. And so he's he's living the good life and he's enjoying all the things he'd deprived himself of when he trained. He's gorging himself on rich food and beer. And you know, he's gaining a lot of weight and he's also starting to become, you know, pretty notorious womanizer and he also starts hanging out with mob guys. You know, again, they, they love him and he's kind of drawn to the, you know, the danger and the excitement and the action. And so this becomes his life and I pictured, you know, in meanwhile, the country is changing. You know, he retires in nineteen fifty-six. You know, boxing, this is kind of the last golden age of boxing, and it starts to decline in popularity. People. Wish he would come back. You know, Mohammed Ali comes along the kind of breed. A new life into it, you know, for his career and the nineteen sixties comes along and the country is changing and he, you know, in the late fifties, he goes down to Cuba and there's some talk about him getting involved in a mob, run casino down there. And then shortly after he's supposed to, he leaves he supposed to come back the, you know, some of cadet Fidel Castro's guerrillas shoot up the casino and then to Dell Castro, overthrows the government down there and the casinos all have to shut down. So that deal goes away. You know, he meets within the Torius mobster Johnny Rosselli about taking a stake in Las Vegas casino and that deal falls through. But he has a lot of other things going on and he actually does get involved with the Cleveland loan, shark named Peter Dharavi. Oh, and you know, winds up putting some money into the Graabo's business, and then the IRS is sniffing around one of the real eccentric. Things about rocky in retirement. This goes back to his depression child, and I suppose is he loves cash, doesn't trust banks. He hides cash. And all sorts of bizarre places. You know, toilet bowls, curtain rods, he's got a friend who has an estate in Florida. He hides it in his bomb shelter. And so this is Rockies life and he's traveling around, and you know the IRS is asking this Cleveland loan, shark will, whereas all this cash coming from and they, he said, it's rocky Marciano in the IRS wants to talk to the loan, shark about it, and they want rocky to answer some questions and Rockies heading out to Cleveland when the loan, shark is out golfing and he gets shot dead on the course because he'd been having a feud with some local mob bosses about his loansharking business. Yeah, that was his. His financial stuff was really interesting. Love cash and like I think one of his friends, you know, right? Romans threw one of his pants pockets, and he found these crumpled up checks for fifty thousand one hundred thousand dollars, not cashed. And he's like, rocky, why don't you cash them? It's one hundred thousand dollars. I don't like I don't like checks. I only only like cash. Yeah, there was. One time his nephew told me a story that rocky goes to a dinner to give a speech, and he walks into the ballroom, and he sees a heavy bag hanging from the ceiling. He says, what's that for? And the guy says, well, we thought you'd like you hit the bag a few times for the crowd and rocky basically looks at the guy and cusses him out and says, what do you think? I am a trained monkey and he goes, I'll tell you what, if you want them meet a hit the bag, you take up a collection and like one hundred bucks a pop, and they look at them like, well, where are we going to get the money? And he looks out that this well dressed crowd, and he says from them and apparently they raised it and he, he hit the bag, but it was there was a sadness about his existence like like a Welsh, linking sixties, the world is changing. Yeah, kind of picture that mythical character Don Draper in the TV series madman. You know, he's kinda wandering through this changing country, wondering what is places and you know, he's kind of on more from his family. You know, he doesn't go back to Brockton much. Has his mother. Laments that he's doesn't see his family, you know often enough and he's still cares about them. And he feels almost like a hamster on a wheel that he has to keep doing this. You know this thing so he can bring in money to support the family and fly him the Florida and fly him on vacations. And you know, he takes his nieces down with his daughter to see, you know, chubby checker and little Eva. And you know to live this lifestyle, any kind of, you know, he's kind of wistful. He looks at his married brothers and sisters, and he says, you know you, you have a good. You have a normal life and everybody doesn't call your name when you walk down the street and you know, you know where you're going to be sleeping tonight. I mean he the also dies tragically in a plane crash and the way he kept his finances hiding cash all over the place that put his actually ended up putting his family and financial. You know straits. Yeah, because they, they didn't. They didn't know where the money was at. Yeah, it was terrible. I mean he and it was this kind. Cheapness that did emend because often he would get, you know, these airline tickets to go fly somewhere to do an appearance and he would cash in the ticket and he'd find some, you know, rich businessman with his own private plane. The flying for free because everybody door the the ex champ. And so he's in Chicago, and he's supposed to fly home to Florida where he's living at the time to celebrate his birthday the next day. This is in nineteen sixty nine at the end of August. And he gets a last minute proposition from a mobster pal and Chicago fly out to the Moines. My nephew has a steakhouse. They're put in an appearance and then you can go back home tomorrow. So he agrees and he gets on a little Cessna airplane. Midway airport in Chicago with the mobsters nephew in this inexperienced pilot, and they fly out toward the Moines, and they fly into a massive midwest Sunder storm and the pilot loses visibility. And he crashes in a cornfield outside of the Moines and the Jew. Jim Murray from the Los Angeles Times the next day wrote, you know, stop the count. He'll get up. We're all wishing today that there was an honest referee in cornfield Iowa, but he dies. And now his family doesn't know where whereas money is his daughter later talked about how they hired detectives and they searched for it. They went to some of his friends where he, they believed he had stashed cash and suddenly the friends didn't know nothing and so they struggled. Yeah, I'm I love reading biographies of boxers because their stories are both like inspiring, right? Like the discipline that rocky show during his career dedication determination has grid, but they're also tragic and I don't. I don't know why that combination of inspiring and tragic is appealing to me. Maybe it's just it makes a good story. Right. I'm curious, definitely makes for good. Yeah. I'm curious as you researched and wrote about rocky Marciano, what life lessons did you take from him. Both, like you know, positive ones. Like I wanna be like that and also like sort of as a warning like don't don't emulate that. Well. I mean, rocky was true to himself until he wasn't. And those are both positive and negative life lessons v true to yourself and don't lose who you are. And you know, for most of his remarkable career, he never lost sight of who he was and he never lost sight of his goal. And he put all distractions and obstacles aside in his pursuit of perfection. But he lived as my subtitle of the book, says in a crooked world, and that tension was re what really drew me to this story and really transcends boxing, it's, you know, surviving in a world that's changing where there's all kinds of hidden intrigue and corruption, and you have to make sacrifices to to get where you want to go and try to preserve your humanity in the process. And the fact that rocky kind of walk this tightrope was what really drew me to historian some ways. He came out triumphant. And in other ways, of course you know his his life had a tragic ending will Mike, is there someplace people can go to learn more about the book? Well, it's available online and it stores everywhere. It's called unbeaten. Rocky Marciano, fight for perfection in crooked world and the publisher Henry Holt, Mike, STAN. Thanks so much for coming on. This has been been a great conversation. Well, thank you, Brad, appreciate it. I guess it was my extend. He's the author of the book unbeaten rocky Marciano, his fight for fiction and crooked world to be able to Amazon dot com and bookstores everywhere. They can find out more notes in delve deeper this topic or show notes at AOL dot IS, slash Marciano. Well, that s up another dish of the art of manliness podcast. For more manly tips and advice makes the art of manliness website at artists Manley's dot com. And if you join the show doesn't out of it at pre shoot his user viewing IT to Stitcher, helps out a lot, and he's done that already. 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I-5 Series Game 6 Postgame Show
"I all Henry. Shulman air with a recap of game, six of the interstate five world series, and not a fun one for the team of Northern California greats. The nor cows were three out from the first interstate five pile with Dennis Eckersley on the mound be hundred dollar, a bottle champagne on ice clubs in the home clubhouse at the coliseum had all the lockers covered with plastic for a celebration, and it was a celebration that didn't happen. Fred Lynn's two run double off. Act tied the game three three in the night and southern California wanted with a grand slam in the tent by Eddie Mathews off Dave, Stewart, good for seven to three victory, so the nor Kaos three two one series lead has gone. The Golden Greats World Series comes down to game seven oracle par a contest that they never thought they would say lefty Gomez certainly was the pitching star of the series after tossing six hundred innings of shutout relief into free, he blank southern California for seven innings in game six, and got the nor cows through a even with bobby bonds hitting a homer. Homer for the first southern California run, so we bring in northern California manager Bruce Jenkins and Bruce some of these pitching. Decisions of yours have have not worked out. I mean, and this has been an offensive series, so it really has been tough. I think in a lot of cases to pick these pitchers on. You didn't let lefty Gomez finish a jam, and you instead went for Eckersley. Who Blew the save? And then you brought David Stewart in Dave Stewart in for redemption in the tenth inning after poor performances, a starter in game four, and that turned disastrous. Let let's start with the decision to go to Eckersley at. Eight innings lefty Gomez. Throwing one run ball what went into that decision? Well, I went against my basic nature there Henry, if somebody's pitching a Jim, the ratings and looks like he's in control I'm always once I. WanNa leave a man. I hate to see managers. Take out a guy who's throwing well because he's throwing a hundred pitches. If you throw ninety nine by God, we're going to bring it back out there anyway. I like to see guys. Finish what they start, but here we are three outs away. Left going on short rest, and when you've got eckersley to close it out I i. just you know that that's what I chose to do. I think either way I can live with it either I certainly can live with bringing Eckersley to close out the series. Okay, so that's not a decision. You lose sleep over right now. Not at all. Okay, I mean. MEAN, Dennis Eckersley one of the great closers of all time, and he had a two run lead. Even had you know a run to work with Abu? Get to Stewart in in just a bit Let's go back a little bit earlier. This was a one nothing game in the seventh inning a Ken. Kennedy added RBI triple in the fourth against Jim Palmer. So it was one nothing in the seventh. When Joe Dimaggio came to the plate with a man on against Palmer and provided a swing that pushed the nor cows that much closer to the title, John Miller has the call so now jolt Joe Dimaggio to the plate for the man aboard here in the last of the seven, still only one to nothing nor cow, leading and Jim. Palmer stood on the mound, having an outstanding night. Joe Basho one of the all time greats ten. Series, he played in and his team. The Yankees one nine of those ten, but he's kind of a quiet sherry so far. Palmer ready about. And he throws. Swings Anita drive the center field. That one is hit pretty well. Going way back. There do Snyder. He's at the warning track. He's at the wall. Is. A homerun. Tell Dimaggio with a two run homer over the Centerfield Wall. who had the coliseum over the four hundred foot sign, and it is three nothing. Nor Cow. Okay, now it's three now that you have a three nothing lead, it's. You know there's there's only. A couple minutes left here in this game and you know even with the even with the offensive nature of the series I'm imagining that with a three nothing lead. At Lefty Gomez pitching the way he's going Dennis Eckersley in your holster I mean. Did you start to think about that champagne at all? I was thinking more Tang. Tang in case, we were GONNA go to game seven. No no no cockiness there, but to see Dimaggio come to life like that was really invigorating. It felt like it put up ten nothing. It felt so good. He hasn't had a great offensive series, but He was about to make a play that made me feel even better about it. And, it just look really good at that point. Yeah I it just I mean it three nothing lead with the kind of pitching. You have like we're talking about. just sounded just sounded kind of impenetrable impenetrable. So you have Dennis Eckersley on the mound three one lead. The problem is that. The one of the guys he had to face in the ending was the guy who has taken over the series offensively I mean it was just the bad fortunate. ECKERSLEY had faces former as teammate Mark Maguire, and Maguire came up there and he he get a double, and maybe was rattled a little bit He didn't usually walk is, but he walked Eddie Mathews. Now there's two on at southern. California manager Houston. Mitchell he just made a what turned out to be a genius move, he had Fred Lynn. Bat for Robin Yount that moves surprise you a little bit. Well a little bit. I mean Frank Robinson. Once told me that Robin Yount. In one, thousand, nine, hundred two, which is the year we haven't had the greatest series ever seen by shortstop, and he wound up being an outfielder after that but Fred Lynn in his early days with the Red Sox was like a revelation. You know tremendous left hand hitter made spectacular catches ran into walls, Fan favourite. So, what are you going, do we? You know if you're playing the righty lefty thing? He's left knee coming up against act, so they're a little bit, but it, but it was part of the deal is at Houston like like I. I was trying to do is trying to get guys in the game and boy he he made A. Gutsy move there. It kinda paid off. So what is Lendu? To double the ties the game three all now I know you don't believe in momentum, Bruce but following the Lynn double there was a play that seemed to shift tied back to northern California's favor. Some McGraw is on the Mound Tony. gwynn is at the plate and he hits. What looks to be go ahead single, but Joe Dimaggio had other ideas southern California, staying alive two runs in here in the ninth inning, three three time tug McGraw from the bullpen to face Tony Gwynn now with Lynn the possible go ahead run at second base. And here's McGraw the left-hander to the left handed batting, Gwen. Grin hits a line drive up. The Middle Base headed a Centerfield Lynch coming around third. He's going to be way home tonight. Show. He's got a great aunt. Comes up throwing. A perfect one hops throw to the plate. It's going to be close and he is. The Great Tag after the grades. Role Ernie Long Bond. Is used, and we put up a road block, blocking off men from the place, and that the game tied Joe Dimaggio. Who've had quite a game? He nor town from falling behind here in the night. Well, that's not a bad center fielder. You have their bruce while Joe. Dimaggio charged. That ball came up throwing. Threw a perfect strike to home to nail him and Oh man. You talk about momentum. Wh when I say I don't believe in it I believe in like the next day. You don't have any momentum from the day before, but it during a game I, absolutely believe in it, and when Dimaggio threw him out like that i. just felt like okay. You know bobby bonds was retired. Retired to end that inning, we got out of it. We go to extras, and I'm just thinking Dimaggio between the run, and that great and I still like we're we're. We're going here and I was just thinking to imagine if you're a fan, in in in the Coliseum and this is the first chance you've had to see. Joe Dimaggio play to see him do what he did so well. Not only at the plate, but in the field I think that that would be a moment. I would I would never ever forget just good. Yeah, and you know when he did that Houston. Mitchell's like how how great is this? It went against him. I said that several times when things went well for him. You'll see idea beast, guys. You're managing these guys and seeing what they're doing and so many great scenarios. Presented themselves and it got to be more about just a pure enjoyment of the game, then by God I'm GonNa? Crush you, hear Nortel the way I mean. That was part of it, but just the the players involved in able to manage him kind of. Everything emotionally. Yeah, and you know that play that. Dimaggio made throwing out. Redland might have had a small effect on what happened in the tenth inning, but eventually worked out for the so cows anyway what happened. Was that You know the Clicquot or the I? Don't know the Arco Brand. Champagne had long been removed from the home dugout out that it was now that it was three three and McGraw's Dylan the game and the southern. California's in the top of the load the bases off McGraw now. You made a decision and to bring in Dave Stewart to face Maguire and I mean that right there you would think might have. Created the hit that puts this game in so cal favor now, mcgwire hit a fly ball to center Jackie Robinson, as fast as he was, didn't test Maggio's arm and I guess with nobody out. There was no real reason to, but that really is kind of a respect for Dimaggio's Armin and what we saw the evening before, right? Absolutely once again you know Dimaggio's rising to the occasion and you know with Stuart there. You know we're in Oakland. Maguire's coming off He's had the better of Stewart. I, talked Dave, are you ready to pitch released and He especially wanted this moment and by God. I went with him there when he got Maguire on the fly ball I'm thinking. You know, thank you. However the double a double plane. You're out of it and you have the momentum now in, but that's not what happened Eddie. Mathews step to the plate. That baby faced assassin. From the braves and here's John, Miller, letting you know what happened such tension, such drama tenth inning here at the Coliseum in game six, three, two three, the score days Stewart brought in from the bullpen in such a tight spot after tug McGraw walked the bases loaded with one, he did get maguire on a shallow fly ball to Santa, but now here's. Three men on two men out Matthews twelve time, Star five hundred twelve home runs one of the greatest slugging third baseman in major league history, and here is stu to Eddie Mathews, and there's a swing on long drive deep in the center field. Way Back Goes Dimaggio. He's gliding back to the warning track and get out. Arrive Brag Grandma. It's Grand Salami time. Eddie bathrooms with a Grand Slam. The tenth and Southern California has as seven to three lead, so that's it a grand slam by Eddie Mathews, a four four-run victory for southern California, and now the series is all tied up at three games apiece and I I have to think now that even though the game is at home. It's going to be at Oracle Park You have to think that maybe. Maybe the the momentum that you don't believe in is actually on the southern. California side on the other hand. You're putting the series in the hands of Tom Seaver, and as we as we know, he had a three hit complete game in in game. Two and he's GonNa Face Don Drysdale, who was the game, went loser and didn't have a great game on. You feel pretty good about that matter. Now I feel really good about it Tom seaver pitching for me, you know we the are. Bats did not go quiet in in game six. The maggio came to life The mood in the clubhouses is good. It's upbeat. It was a tough tough hang. Right off the bat. It was pretty crushing, but a few minutes went by. Guys are going. We're looking good here. Let's look around this clubhouse. We're GONNA take it tomorrow at Oracle. And Save the embarrassment of blowing a three one way all right well. One game left in the Golden Greats series. Here I mean you couldn't have asked for more from a competitive standpoint and we'll talk to you after game seven Bruce, you bet mccord to Henry. Thank you for listening. Be sure to subscribe to the giants splash, or as plus podcast, so you can hear future recaps from this golden greats world series.
193 | Dear Diary
"Welcomed Aaron McKie's cabinet of curiosities production of iheartradio and grim and mild our world is full of the unexplainable and if history is an open book all of these amazing tales right there on display just waiting for us to explore welcome to the. Cabinet of Curiosities Journal is a sacred thing. It holds our deepest darkest secrets. It doesn't judge us. It doesn't betray our trust. And it doesn't hold a grudge a journal or a diary can be our best friend as long as it doesn't fall into the wrong hands that is during the Nineteen Fifties Norma's husband had encouraged her to keep a diary of her own. She was a bit of a social butterfly often attending lavish parties and meeting. Fun and interesting people. He thought it would be good to save those stories for posterity. Norma started writing down her encounters except unlike most people who kept their private thoughts hidden from the rest of the world. Norma had no qualms about sharing her as with almost everyone. She met a close friend of hers named Robert Claim to have seen the diary for himself. He wrote about his time with Norma and the things she'd allegedly written about unfortunately days after he'd caught a glimpse of its she died. Ever since then the circumstances surrounding her death have been discussed and debated. Was it an accident or was it? Foul play Robert wanted to learn more and he thought the diary would have been a great place to start but it was gone. It had been full of anecdotes about the people in her. Inner Circle politicians athletes and celebrities of time had all graced. Its pages some more than once. In fact rumor had it that her dealings with a pair of brothers were what did her in and the diary the CIA made. Sure no one ever saw it again. The normal I'm referring to is none other than Norma Jeane Mortenson Aka Marilyn Monroe Maryland's book of secrets was known as her diary and between its covers was a lifetime's worth of trouble for both its author and the men in her life. Her husband the legendary baseball player. Joe Dimaggio had suggested she start the diary as a way to remember all the amazing actors she worked with in Hollywood. You never expected her to record state secrets in it though. Monroe had been involved with President. John F Kennedy but rumors started to circulate that his brother Robert was also tied to the star. According to certain reports both men had decided to cut ties with her and she threatened to go public with their affairs. Of course they couldn't let that happen on top of that. Monroe had recorded details about a White House plot to assassinate Cuban dictator Fidel Castro which she learned about from JFK himself the Kennedys though were only the tip of the iceberg in the days and weeks leading up to her death monroe was being monitored by the CIA the FBI and even the mob had all tapped her phone lines and bugged her house in an effort to learn what she knew. But the key details or in her diary including State Secrets Pillow talk and a lot of information that could have put the country jeopardy had it ever gotten out mobster Sam. Giancana saw the diary as a way to blackmail. Jfk and his brother Robert. Some people thought he had killed Maryland road just to get it others still held to the idea that it had been Robert Kennedy. Who gave her the drugs that inevitably took her? Life is e Peter. Lawford of RATPAC fame had planned on visiting Monroe along with Kennedy. The day she died they were going to have her fake suicide to get back in the news. Which would have enticed twentieth century Fox to Rehire her except something went wrong the FBI knew about it. They'd been listening the whole time. By the time the authorities showed up to investigate her death. The diary was gone so the natural question is who took it. Did Robert Kennedy take the diary? It's possible it's also possible that the CIA finally got a hold of it and burned it to a race. Any potential threats to national security much like the story surrounding Monroe's death. We may never know the truth about the red diary. Any proof went up in smoke a long time ago. mascots aren't just limited to high schools and colleges towns and cities. All over. The world have claimed fun and fascinating creatures as their animal representatives in a town in New Zealand for example sheep that had disappeared for six years was found hiding in a cave. It's wool had grown so thick and mangy the wiling animal had picked up the nickname. Shrek Shrek was eventually caught and sheared on live television. Sixty pounds of wool were auctioned off to raise money for local charities and Shrek became the town's unofficial mascots but not all animals get such a warm exciting welcome though in one town in Wisconsin. A certain beast has been both honored and feared for over one hundred twenty five years. The town of rhinelander Wisconsin had grown since a new railroad had turned it into a bustling hub of industry in eighteen. Eighty two ten years later lumberjacks in the area started telling stories about a strange creature prowling the north woods. It had the head of a frog with horns coming out the side. It also bore the face of an elephant short stubby legs with enormous claws. The back of a dinosaur in a long spear like tail called it. The Hodak it's diet was made up of snakes. Turtles Fish and the occasional white bulldog though few heads spotted it up till then it was Eugene Shepherd who was credited with its discovery shepherd and a posse of local hunters band together and headed into the woods armed with poison water. They tried unsuccessfully to take down the creature. Whatever poison they'd mixed together had it worked seems so they turned to the next best thing. Dynamites as you'd imagine that did the trick. The tag was destroyed. The Wisconsin Woods. Were quiet for the next few years until shepherd showed up again this time claiming to have captured alive. Hodak. He hadn't done it alone though. Instead of hunters shepherd took a few bear wrestler with him for assistance. They poured chloroform over the end of a long pole and stuck inside the opening of a cave. Where the tag was believed to be hiding the fumes. Filled the cave overpowering the tag until it collapsed shepherd and the wrestlers dragged it out and put it in a cage to be toured throughout the state. And the Ho- Dag was a gruesome looking creature. And it knew it to it often cried about. It's terrible appearance. And it's rotten smell which had been described as that of dead buzzards and Skunks Shepherd visited county fairs where he invited spectators into his tent to see it for themselves. Nevertheless they approach the cage. In the whole Dag would growl or lunge at them sending them screaming back into the crowd. When he wasn't on tour he allow people to see the Hodak at his home where it would inevitably illicit the same result news of the creatures spread to the local newspapers before winding around Wisconsin. And eventually the rest of the country when representatives from the Smithsonian Institution in Washington. Dc paid shepherd a visits the rhinelander native knew the JIG was up. It was time to tell the truth. The Hodak he'd taken to county fairs and displayed in his house hadn't been caught in the woods it had been made fabricated out of wood and leather. He hooked it up to wires which he would pull to make the creature move however just because one tag was fake. It mean that it had an existed at all at least not to shepherds fellow rhinelanders years later. The town adopted the Hodak as its official mascot. And so did the local high school the story is about the mythical beast still circulate. Today anytime officious stolen off. The end of someone's line or a golf ball goes missing. Rhinelanders claim. It was the work of the Hodak creature whose legend has taken on a life of its own. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour. The cabinet of curiosities subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or learn more about the show by visiting curiosities. Podcast DOT COM. The show was created by me. Aaron McKie in partnership with how stuff works. I make another award. Winning show called. Lor which is a podcast book series and Television. Show and you can learn all about it over at the world of Lor Dot Com until next time stay curious.
Chapter Four: A Global Pin-Up
"She was friends with anybody. She didn't realize who she was. Never Abbott did Marilyn Monroe really had no confidence in herself psychologically just as a personality she really had no confidence game abused child. She really felt very vulnerable and she was always looking for protection. That could easily be alone doesn't bother me <music> some people. I know they want to be long. I don't mind it. I think this thing and human being gave F. I think is is a myself definitely wanted you longer again. The guy have all agape insight hello and welcome to part four of the killing of Marilyn Monroe. I'm your host Jackie Moran in this episode episode. We're going to see how after dragging herself out of an abusive childhood and suffering the infamous Hollywood casting couch. Maryland finally made it big on a level. Nobody nobody even she could have predicted and we'll also discover how her extraordinary onscreen sex appeal crossed over into increasingly scandalous private life. I will be very jealous very jealous. I think you just Delic Maryland had broken through in nineteen eighteen fifty thanks to two movies all about eve and the asphalt jungle in which she had small but memorable parts the buzz she created from her performances in in them led to her being cast in no fewer than ten movies over the following two years and kept her profile. High Maryland was relentless in Haram Bishen then she took acting lessons with all the great teachers in Hollywood and she was formed friendships with the piglets agents and the best interview that anyone had ever given should tell us that were quite extraordinary and sometimes unusual in one thousand nine hundred fifty to daily variety columnist Flora Bell Muir name Maryland the it girl of the year and former silent movie legend turn Gossip Queen Hedda Hopper described described her as the cheesecake queen-turned box office smash in February of that year she was also named the best young box office personality by the Farm Press Association in Hollywood and Maryland's reputation as the sexiest up and coming actress in Hollywood wasn't exactly harmed by the emergence of the nude photos she had post for as a penniless model back in one thousand nine hundred forty nine as Greg Schreiner president of the Marilyn Monroe Fan Club explains Maryland was also smart enough to turn what could have been a career ending scandal into another facet of growing legend. She did a new calendar for Tom. Kelly which incredibly famous eventually Louis and when they ask her what she was wearing during that session she said Chanel number five and of course they said no no. What did you have on the radio to me. I don't know there's something wonderfully clever and naive about all of that which I think shows that side of Maryland very much. Marilyn made further headlines that year when she began a high profile romance with New York Yankees Legend and America's most famous sport star Joe Dimaggio the Dimaggio biographer Jerem Sharon author of Joe Dimaggio the long vigil details how the ball player and the showgirl came to meet Nineteen fifty-two who was it starlet cheat appeared and all about eve but suddenly these new pictures should take an a few years before surface and not only that she declared herself often suddenly her mother arrives at an insane asylum and says that Maryland take care of her Sydney's Cold Key West Coast Columned Airy Station of Schwab Obstructs Unstuck Boulevard said hey we got to do something so what they did to date for her to go out with Joe Dimaggio he the proletarian prints of America. It's nine hundred fifty two just tired and fifty one the whole world loved him at that point Maryland thought choose splashy sports figure you know with the slicked hair and a flashy sports jacket and when he showed up at dinner she found that he was quiet and sensitive and that would always be current so the moment she went out with Jodi marriage. Oh they were the royal royal couple of America and she was in all the newspapers and her career was they really hit it off. I think that one of the things things that really attracted to aside from the fact that she was very physically attracted to him and he was physically attracted are which always helps but also that father father thing. He was very protective of her as we shall see. Joe Dimaggio was to be the first of several significant men in Maryland's life and death yeah but he was not to be the most significant here's Danforth Prince celebrity publisher and Monroe expert the module was not part of the Hollywood community energy. He was an athlete. He was a sports star. He didn't go for any of the FROU FROU and silly Hollywood stupidity that seemed to make the Hollywood industry run that was considered chic and fun and interesting desirable. She was devoted to her way and never used her never use her fame. Never used the talent what interested in any loved desperately the end of the Joe probably would have been rather conservative. Italian husband probably would've demanded that she take fewer pills. They might have done her good but he might have killed that magical spirit of charisma with her profile rising and public interest in her next move high in one thousand nine hundred fifty three. Marilyn starred in three movies that remain classics today and that finally lifted her above all the other pretty blonde wannabees in Hollywood. My name is Charles. Castillo an entertainment journalist. I think the first role role that really solidified that she was a legend and a true star was a movie called Niagara but she was playing fem tall and seductress and she won't leave her husband she he's having fair so she wanted to kill him but the reason that I think more so than the plot that solidified her star status as it was in color and everything about Maryland that we remember today was on display in that movie the creamy white skin the Ruby Red Glossy lips the tussled blonde hair the beauty mark the cleavage edge all in breathtaking color people were dumbfounded by her. They had never seen anything like her before because she was just so cornel so sexual people had never seen anything like it. Hot on the heels of Niagara Came Gentlemen Prefer Blondes released just six months after Niagara era. It's so Maryland turn in a show stopping performance opposite Jane Russell many moments from the movie including Marilyn's dazzling performance of diamonds are a girl's best spread remain iconic today but squeak or pay shape these rocks shape eh Spanish tiffany's eighty. It was amazing. It was kind of like Vivian Lee with gone with the wind or Marlon Brando Streetcar named desire like you can't imagine anyone else playing those roles. I think that it was a time in in Marilyn Monroe's history where the perfect actress for the perfect role and the perfect year just came together serendipitous Lii in a rare recently unearth interview Maryland's some like it hot co star Jack Lemmon describe just what she brought to the screen I why is she had a very good sense of of comedy. There's no question she also created this character herself of and the voice all of that that was was her she was not at them. I think what she knows. It was maybe US look at the center of our talents in heartache or in a good indicator. I think Marilyn King closely listen using one hundred percent on the takes it reprinted. She had a town of the powerful glad she seemed a little. She could dance a little patchy bristle little she could whatever ah but she could lose what she would have more fully than everybody. I've ever worked with for her advantage when people ask me. I don't know anything thing about Marilyn Monroe movies. What should I say. I always say this one. I gentlemen prefer blondes because everything about her that made her star is there. It's a dumb blonde role but she's kind of like underneath it all. She's got some savvy and brains but she's very delicious. She's at the peak of her beauty. She sings she dances. She's got in the perfect cohort. She's got Jane Russell. WHO's the opposite of her dark and sultry and Marilyn's light and funny. It's very fresh. It's very delicious and it's it's just as entertaining today as it was. In nineteen fifty to nineteen fifty three by the third of Maryland's trio of Nineteen fifty-three smashes how to marry a millionaire in which she received top billing over Betty grable alarm a call of all people the formerly stuttering foster girl had become the most famous woman in the world. She always wanted to be famous but she was experiencing the kind of fame that even she couldn't have expected. I mean I don't think anyone at this point in time had ever been as famous as Marilyn Monroe was really the most famous woman in the world not only Andy moral drawing her. She's Great Wait Comic Actor Twentieth Century. She's the female counterpart to Marlon Brando. She was just everywhere you know and she became came. Catchphrase like if a woman walking down the street and she was haughty or something the guys would yell out. Who Do you think you are Marilyn Monroe. I mean that's how famous she was. She it was the standard to be judged by almost a magic kind of charisma that she had nobody can figure it out their stories about how she'd walked on his avenue feeling depressed looking being dumpy and looking allow makeup she would say. Do you want me to become the legend that is Maryland Marilyn. Let's see if you can do it and she pulled off her scarf and she'd put on some smear lipstick and she trust her chest and she razzle-dazzle her way. In suddenly the low with this magic charisma suddenly people would notice that's Maryland uncrowded for him and if she was the most famous woman in the world she was also the most desired here's Danforth Prince again his arm candy with Marilyn. Monroe's one of the highest status symbols man could possibly have Maryland was thrilling. She he was charismatic. People would meet her once when she was being extroverted on the glamorous beautiful platinum blonde that she was and never ever forget it. She was fabulous status symbol to be seen a great conversation piece. Perhaps one of the most unique things about Marilyn sexuality was how up front she was about she may have been dating Joe Dimaggio at the time but the rumors of her other love affairs kept gossip columnists working overtime just about every handsome famous eligible men in Hollywood and several who were not eligible were shall we say romantically linked with the star and Marilyn it seems not only did nothing in to quell the gossip but seem to actually thrive on it celebrity biographer Mark Bego. She was Marilyn Monroe. She knew she has a certain power our cachet in Hollywood and do what she wanted. She was her own woman and I think that that's one of the things that makes appealing to you. Women as well as a character is that she was basically in control of her own destiny. She slept with who she wanted to. She had affairs with she wanted to. She was really kind of ahead of her time. This kind of behavior would have been with scandalous back then but it would have been even more scandalous in early Hollywood but she's really carried. He's that sex symbol roll into her personal life and she knew she goes through a certain power. Some believe however that Marilyn's intense sexuality had its roots. It's in a far darker place. Her abused Childhood Bill Burns is an author and Hollywood historian. She was turned into a sexual creature before she was a teenager. That meant psychologically that the only response she had any stimulation from men was sexual. Actual couldn't be friendly could be business. That was her response. She was trained that way when she was a child who was molested. Why was she it that way. Because before she even reached puberty she was being sexually abused. That was her only response and that was the response she had for the restaurants. If we look at Maryland's relationship with men again we have to go back to the studio system in the nineteen in forty nine hundred fifty where you had to sleep with a producer. You wanted to get a role so women were constantly taken advantage of constantly hunt abused so her relationship with men was based on what these things were. I mean she was kind of toy curve of placing among the men who fell into her orbit was British actor Peter Lawford who in Nineteen Fifty Four married Patricia Kennedy the sister of ambitious Senator John F. Kennedy and through Lawford. She met his RATPAC Buddy Frank Sinatra. It's nice to be seen with the rat pack. It's nice to be their friend. You get included in better parties. They all knew one another. They were all striving for booking engagements because Maryland didn't have a father figure growing up. She tended to like men who were older than she was who she could look up to. Maryland was involved with Sinatra for many years and he gave her dog walk with she called after Mafias Club. Marilyn had enjoyed relationships with powerful and influential men before and perhaps perhaps uniquely call the shots with them but Sinatra was to introduce her to a whole new world and a whole new class of powerful and influential men who would prove far or harder to control Frank Sinatra had a very very complicated hugely talented man but always accusations of being associated associated with the mob cal Neva Lodge the Las Vegas singing engagements a murky careers early that casinos were we're always accused of being associated with the mob. Sinatra definitely had mob contacts. That's been very well documented and that's easy to prove and then he was involved with the Kennedy's as well. I remember that he was going to have John Kennedy. Come onto his place in Palm Springs so this whole association with these people of Peter Lawford of course being done f Kennedy's brother-in-law and and being a movie actor who was under contract the movie studios all throughout from the late forties fifties and sixties and so on she was part of this whole mix <music> as the decade progressed so did Maryland's run of box office hits the seven year itch in Nineteen fifty-five gave us one of cinema's most famous scenes as Maryland's white dress was blown upwards by a passing train the Prince and the showgirl in nineteen fifty fifty seven saw her give a critically acclaimed performance opposite Sir Laurence Olivier and nineteen fifty nine some like it hot was later voted the funniest movie in American in Cinema History. There are people who claim that Marilyn was just a dumb blonde to use that phrase that she just had had her sexy image to rely on and there are others who argue that she was absolutely brilliant in knowing how to market mark this image that it really was just facade for the person who lived inside herself you Chris Welch. Well what you wear Pajama top to bottom of the Jones or the night town. Look kind of so now number two truth and yet I wanNA see <music> a true among the light however there was shade and the pressure to be Marilyn. Caroline Munro could sometimes feel overpowering. Here's first husband James Daugherty on the side of Maryland. The public didn't say that she was a good gal. She knew how to be tough. She didn't have that stuff but our Jeanne was heard. Often always for how she feared him to go out of the House for a while. She was always frayed. She timid person to a real sweet. Person should never been in that gets. I should've been fireworks. Somebody could be your husband. Take care of fleet to everybody his she never it's perhaps inevitably. Maryland sought comfort end escape wherever she she could here's Hollywood historian and biographer mark be go. She's someone who did you know have fears insecurities like we all do but she she was so in the spotlight that she wanted to be the best she could be at all times she kind of had that Judy Garland Syndrome where they would would judy. You're getting a little sad. We'll give you died. Tells Okay you're too high. You can't sleep will put you down or you know in that ruins. Judy Garland's life and I think that there was the potential for a ruining Maryland's lies and she seems to thinks that she had control over what she was taking doctors would would give her you pick me ups and also to sleeps and she was on that cycle and it can be a deadly cycle and it still is today. Sometimes for movie stars Alvis Presley had this problem too is that while I'm not a drug addict. He's a prescription drugs. I don't have a drug problem doctor gave his Jimmy. Well drugs are drugs. Even alcohol's a drug if you use it that way it was something that relaxed her seems to send her but you start taking him with champagne so poor Marilyn in monroe. She's addicted to methamphetamine. She's also an alcoholic. She's also heavily on barbiturates which is a deadly combination. When you're teaching metamphetamines the nineteen fifties belong to Marilyn Monroe in a manner and on a scale almost unprecedented in Hollywood history but as she achieved uncharted uncharted levels of worldwide fame in her private life things were beginning to unravel by one thousand nine hundred sixty Marilyn less than two years left to live and had developed serious addictions to alcohol and prescription drugs the childhood traumas that she had fought so hard to escape from where resurfacing and her chaotic love life was about to to put her at the center of a deadly power struggle between forces she had no hope of controlling entity was very sexually active active so she was having an affair with him with Frank Sinatra with people in the rat pack and me became a fixture in Hollywood an-and in American politics. She is an enduring part of the American legend story that only America and maybe Hollywood could have reduced. What was the American Arkansas's identity be without her. There are still bars in Pago PAGO. You go someplace really obscure in the world and has a poster of Marilyn Monroe or some bars in retrospect. Her fate has a terrible tragic inevitability about it but as Mark Bego speculates. It could have all been so different. It's really interesting to speculate what would happen to a lot of our idols. What would Maryland be like these days if she was still alive would you be as big big as we view her which she icon as review her which she be making appearance is on the tonight show which she show. Oh up on game shows which should be someone who lost her beauty and became a has been but you look at someone like Jane Russell who was Maryland Coast are gentlemen prefer blondes and Jane a long life she would show up on television Turner Classic Movies Different shows and she was still a beautiful woman but definitely older. It was an older version of Jane Russell Maryland fit into that category. <hes> Mamie van Doren another bombshell L. from fifty. She's around. She shows up every once in a while. She still looks pretty. She's still somewhat a legend not as big as Maryland of course would Maryland d like fat hat or would she developed a another character of for herself which she either wise cracking older woman. I guess we'll never know exactly what she could have become as she survived in the next episode of the killing of Marilyn Monroe all the men that she found the tractive because they were powerful. We're also the enemies of a lot of dark forces on the periphery of that for example. She got involved with the Kennedy's who hated the Kennedys in Kinda hated the Kennedys so by getting to Maryland it was an open door to anyone who wanted to punish the Kennedys or make they just use like a rag doll. I mean bars and clubs and plays with but you could see you mean she'd be totally out of it and they'd walk away for wild come back then somebody else who grabbed him and walk away and come back like St Okay Oh it was terrible but I was in a position saying to these guys young a young kid. The killing of Marilyn Monroe is hosted by me. Jackie Moran executive produced used by Dylan Howard and is a production of broad and water studios and endeavor audio executive producers also include. Tom freestone James Robertson and anti tillet the series is produced by carry budge and written by Dominic Hutton reporting by Doug Montero. The series is mixed and engineered by Sean crabby and Sam Ada scoring by Benz town. There is so much more to this story and you don't want to miss anything. I can assure you make sure you subscribe to the killing of Marilyn Monroe wherever you get podcasts.
Scott Hamilton, Pickleball in Jail, Pete Rose's Trip To Vietnam
"This is only a game. I'm carrying given reporter. Alice Coke has known figure Skater Scott Hamilton since they were kids. They're both from the Midwest I they both grew up in ice rinks and they were both Olympians. Scott has an Olympic gold medal. Alice says she was just happy to make the team. Here's Alice when I ask Scott Hamilton to introduce himself. There was no mention of his Olympic. Pick glory as usual Scott was his humble self deprecating self. Tell me who you are and what you do. That's complicated. I know who I am. My name is Scott Hat scovill Hamilton and why did skating for a long time and now I'm doing a lot more volunteer work in cancer fundraising Skating Academy and <hes>. I've got four kids so my dad so that's what I do that a lot. It's more than enough figure. Skaters tend to be physically smaller than most winter Olympic Athletes Scott was especially small when he laced up his first pair of skates when and how did gear parents realised something might be wrong. I was always small but it became obvious that I wasn't growing very well and then it became obvious that I wasn't growing at all and then it became obvious that I was showing some signs of stress and so for about four years I was in and out of hospitals and <hes> they couldn't come up with a diagnosis Scott wasn't growing and food didn't help so as doctors turned to something unconventional my supplement back then and they didn't know what they were doing. They're just trying to keep me alive. Was this liquid that was just really nutritious but it was actually tasted like chalk and I hated it and so pretty soon I became sort of a pathological liar and very manipulative and I would say that I was going to drink it in the bathroom and I would dump it out every single time and once I got caught. My Mom caught me dumping it out and I basically told her. I wasn't going to drink it anymore anymore. Because it was awful and we came up with a compromise of putting a tube up through my nose down my esophagus and I was fed through the nose tube so I never had to taste that junk again and it was the perfect compromise compromised the best compromise so I always knew that you know I was different than all the other kids just because of my height and my you know just sort of the way that I grew up mostly in hospitals after seeking the opinion of a number of doctors Scott saw specialist at Boston Children's Hospital Asia's said I can't diagnosis he said go home. You just go home. Take him off. All the restrictive diets keep them on the supplement and live normal life Scott Scott wouldn't get a real diagnosis until several decades later and more major health scares but with the doctor's advice and hand Scott's mom and dad took their nine year old son to the brand new ice facility at Bowling Green State University. I walk again. Everybody's looking at this nose to coming out and they're just looking at me like gross. That's like well. This is me I say so. What was it like skating for the first time for everybody else right you get into some rental skates and they don't fit right? They don't feel good. They don't really like they're wobbly and you know you're hanging onto the wall and then after a while you know you're able to get around without touching the wall and then pretty soon you're able to get around pretty good and I realized in that process of getting better that I found something I could do as well as the well kids and then I found I could do something as well as the best athletes in my grade in and it was really powerful powerful because it was the first ever taste of self esteem I never felt good about myself until that Scott would later come to believe skating saved his life but at this point he was just a kid having fun on the ice but it was is one of those things where I started to grow and I started to develop again and I started getting veteran so my parents were okay. We found something that works by accident mind you but we found something that works and <hes> we're just GonNa Stick Dick with this. The expensive figure skating put a drain on the family's finances but Scott's mother found a way to pay for the coaching the skates and the ice time you know she was a strong lady you know she was five foot and a quarter as she. It's tell people when you're that small you WANNA like at every quarter inch right I get that Oh man she sacrificed everything for me and my brothers and sisters. She never really bought herself any clothes. She was the person <hes> on this world that I loved more than any other and I just <hes> you know I just adored her. Scott was just a teenager when his mother was diagnosed with breast cancer her chemotherapy descriptions were hilarious. You know she'd say Oh. This chemotherapy is wonderful. I finally found a way to lose all this weight. I like chemotherapy. I wanted to quit smoking all these years and now I have no desire and she said I love Chemo. I've always hated my hair these wigs or so much easier so she always made it okay. Dorothy Hamilton passed away in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven and when you're eighteen years old you don't have anything to compare this life event to and it's devastating you know so I I kind of had to go for a walk in my backyard in that walk. I kinda came to sort of a game plan of taking her with me. Wherever I went you know she always wanted me to be a really good skater and she always thought that you know someday? I'd go to the Olympics and all that junk and it's like yeah really based on what you know my last last place finish or really in the last competition she saw me scared and I was an epoch disaster. I came in ninth nationals and then after that I just had to get to work and if I didn't feel like showing up for a session I did it because I wanted to honor her Scott moved to Denver Colorado to train with renowned coach Don laws. He found a sponsor to take care of everything from training expenses to his housing. His skating took off from there Scott was chosen to carry the flag for team U._S._A.. At the one one thousand nine hundred eighty Olympic opening ceremony in Lake Placid New York he finished fifth and then about I guess a month later the top three guys all retired so all of a sudden like I was ranked second in the world so for the next for years I never really lost. I never lost quite Scott. Hamilton won three consecutive world championships in Nineteen eighty-four. He took home an Olympic gold medal. Nobody could stop him. It is now in standing new Olympic podium after four years of of really just winning every competition. It was Kinda like what in the world just happened and you feel Oh really good that had a dream that you never thought to dream has come true and I just I felt bad that my mom wasn't there to see it but she was really the main reason that it happened. Scott returned home to a hero's welcome in Denver after a ticker tape parade with a freshly minted gold medal around his neck Scott was invited to a private meeting with Governor Richard Lamm you know. I usually with politicians. It's a photo op at it's this and it's that and <hes> when I arrived in his office it was just he and me and I thought this is really weird. I I don't know what to make of this and he said I just really wanted to talk to you and give you some advice and he said there's this thing called the hometown hero syndrome and basically you can look at it as if you know let's say you're the quarterback for the High School Football Team and you threw a bomb to win the state championship at the end of the game and they carry you off the field on their shoulders. You kind of feel like the rest of your life should be that way right and picture and all this and he goes you just I lived through an extraordinary period of your life but I really want you to enjoy every moment with the true understanding that your life isn't always going to be this way and in that moment and I realized that he was giving me an extraordinary gift is like really somebody thinks enough of another human being to kind of almost arm them for kind of the inevitability of next next right Scott went onto create stars on ice tour that brought together the best gators in the world they performed for huge audiences in major cities. It became an amazingly successful business. Venture Scott was the star and also so the bus but he wasn't very happy he felt stressed all the time and I realized that life was out of balance in I had such bad abdominal pain that fifty cities in no sixty city tour. I went into an emergency room in Peoria Illinois because it was about a block from the hotel just to get you know <hes> some ulcer medicine or whatever was going on. I just you know I never thought of anything besides stress related symptoms and and the doctor Victor just said there's a mass and <hes> I kind of chuckled in the beginning is what's so funny and I just well you know honestly nobody's ever used the word mass in description me before and he <hes> he said no no. It's you take this thing seriously and I was like why why and I just realized it was like twenty years almost to the month that I lost my mom to cancer and now I'm being diagnosed with cancer. At thirty eight years. Old Scott started his treatment for testicular cancer answer at the Cleveland Clinic. He went through months of chemotherapy. He says sometimes he look in the mirror and hate what he saw but he took on his cancer battle with the kind of attitude he learned from his mother. You know she always found a way to make something difficult okay and in that she she armed me. Would that same thing it's I was able to create an environment of of levity my nurse basically treatment me. I can eight year old. You know I had like Scooby Doo and Spongebob bandaids and she decorated my chemo bags and she she really she treated me like a pediatric patient and it was really fun Scott Healthy and return to life on the ice and in the broadcast booth breath he got married and became a father life was good until the fall of two thousand four. I was symptomatic and so they did some blood work and they found that I had like trace amounts of testosterone in my bloodstream knows like well you know it's probably an after effect of your chemo and your cancer. It's like no I don't. I don't think that's it like well. You know you're older. Now I go now. I don't think that's it and so I finally described my symptoms enough in detail where they put me in forehead scan. I was diagnosed with a brain tumor. They I knew I was going to be dealing with this thing immediately if not sooner but my wife was arriving that day and so <hes> I went back to the hotel and they were just pulling up to the front of the hotel and she goes what they say ghat say up in the room and so we kind of awkward sort of quiet riot in the elevator you know and then up into the room and she goes what's going on and I mean how do you how do you tell your wife that you know you're up against it again right and I just said I I have a brain tumor and she without even like one beat <hes> passing <hes> She just grabbed both my hands and she started to pray and it was the the single most powerful moment in my life because I felt the calm I felt the power of that moment. I felt the the clarity of that moment. You know it just was this awakening different kind awakening where now I knew I was going to be okay. No matter what I knew I was going to be okay. Scott was ready to tackle the brain tumor but first doctors had to take a biopsy which is digging a hole in the top of my skull and taking a biopsy needle through my brain where a lot of really super bad things could have happened and I remember. They told me I could lose speech memory motor function Blah Blah Blah do this procedure. I woke up at ten twenty. Yeah I knew who I was where I was while I was there and then I just sort of like leaned over limit test like oh I can speak okay. I guess the surgery went okay and then the doctor came in smiling and my wife Tracy came in smiling and I go I think we know what it is and I go. What is it and they go cranial fringe Elma? It's like what's a lunatic fringe Yoma. I have no idea what you're talking about so they gave my wife some literature on the brain tumor and she read it and she said Said Oh wow this is this cranial fringe Yomas our brain tumors. A child is born with that usually show themselves due to a lack of growth and development and I was like whoa that that is crazy so it's like a joke now. It's like I guess if you live long enough. All questions will be answered and so that was my childhood illness. Scott says he's grateful that doctors didn't discover the tumor humor when he was a kid. He says he had gotten a craniotomy. Fifty years ago. His life would have looked very different in two thousand ten Scott had a second brain surgery to prevent the recurrence of the benign tumor in two thousand sixteen. He learned it had returned. The doctors are giving me all the different scenarios we could do surgery again we could do <hes>. There's a medical thing that will shrink it and keep it at bay here. The side effects and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and all I felt and it was almost like a voice in my head said get strong and I was like okay. I don't know what this means. I don't know what's going on but I I know I am supposed to get strong and the doctor said so. How would you like to proceed indeed and I say I don't you know since you caught this thing on a general scan without symptoms? We're just GONNA keep an eye on it. My Gut says keep an eye on it. Instead Surgery Scott decided to make some dietary and lifestyle changes he gave up red meat and sugar and I went back a few months later for another skin and it hadn't grown and that was the best news that they could possibly give me until the next scan where I went back and it shrunk without treatment and they couldn't figure that out and then I went back in shrunk again and it was all they all. They said there was whatever you're doing being keep doing it. You Know Scott now lives in Tennessee with his wife Tracy and four children. He stays close to the ice with his skating school and dedicates a lot of his time to fundraising for cancer research. Now I look in the mirror and I see. All the scars from all the different injuries and surgeries and all the other things and and I look at them differently than I thought I would. I you know normally look at scars his like disfigurements and I look at them as as you know sort of badges of honor you know it's like that skin is tougher than it's ever been and it will never be hurt the same way it was before the story came from reporter Alex Cook Scott Hamilton's. Most recent book is titled Finished First Winning Changes. Everything Roger Belair teaches the game of pickle ball in imprisons. I know one situation were wanting. It may screamed at another. I beat the hell out of you but if I did I couldn't play pickle ball well. How wonderful is that? That story is coming up on only a game from N._p._R.. 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You should know we're going to start this week with Kansas City chiefs wide receiver tyreek Hill who has not been suspended despite this audio released back in April of hill and his ex fiancee arguing about their three year old son he's terrified of you and can you say that he respects you but it's not it's not respect its terrified. He is TERI terrified of two. I'm joined by the Wall Street. Journal's Rachel Bachman and The Washington Post Jerry brewer welcome back talked about the view great to be here. Karen bakes having Jerry. You're up first wow the N._F._l.. Has Long had an issue with the violence of his athletes and particularly violence toward women and in this case you're you're talking in about an allegation of child abuse by tyreek Hill one of the best players in the N._F._l.. And his speed makes Kansas City which may be the favourite to win the super bowl dynamic electric it gives them an edge but but keeping with the N._F._L.'s inconsistent policies on player conduct <hes> they've decided not to suspend them because they don't have enough evidence. The question is are they doing the fair thing. Are they copying out well okay. This is what I don't understand. Maybe Jerry can help me out here N._F._l.. Contracts generally are not guaranteed Ryan and so players can be cut for not returning their tray at the cafeteria or having less zip on their long snaps or something thing so it sort of boggles my mind that when there's an allegation of domestic violence or abuse against children all of a sudden we have C._S._i.. Miami and the N._F._l.. And the teams are saying well. We don't have enough evidence and you know this is not the Supreme Court. You have a lot of latitude about what you can do with players so why not take a strong stand here well Jerry. I'm GonNa let you speak to that. I because you make the point in your column this week that if the chiefs didn't pick up hell someone else would have frye right. Yes <hes> unfortunately a lot of N._F._l.. Teams use this as a market inefficiency as a matter of fact tyreek. Hill is a one time convicted of domestic abuse. The Kansas City chiefs still bill drafted him in the fifth round because they felt like we were getting a first or second round talent in the fifth round so they use that as a competitive advantage yeah at this point. I've gotten past being surprised that teams keep hiring hiring these guys because it's happened so many times I am a little surprised by how quickly journalists and fans seem to have moved on from that audio from Tyreek Hill like let's face it when movie Fan said Ed we're not gonNA watch movies with sexual predators in them. Hollywood stopped hiring actors who were sexual predators at least for now but the same thing hasn't happened in the N._F._l.. There hasn't been a groundswell of chiefs season ticket holder saying that they'll give up their tickets. Their team continues to play a guy who may or may not have broken his three year olds arm Jerry. Is that what it's going to take for the N._F._l.. To come up with some sort of consistent response to this I think as much as people challenge authority you fall in line with accepted behavior by and large football is the number one sport in America by long shot and if you have a commissioner that saying we are concerned about this but not to the level that we are going to fundamentally change change the way we operate in the League that sends a message to your fans that it's okay to resume business as usual and not care about this issue and that is the great concern all right Rachel Europe okay well and Happier News <hes> the the U._S.. Women's soccer team is back in the U._S.. Every player on that team plays in the National Women's Soccer League which is the current pro league seven season under its belt. The games with returning players have set some attendance. His Records Portland had twenty two thousand. It's game on Wednesday night <hes> but there is a cautionary tale. Pass titles have also helped previous professional women's soccer leagues in the U._S.. But inevitably the crowds have sort of fallen off from there in in fact two previous leagues have folded and so my question to you guys is who is responsible this time for making sure this league lasts is at the players is league management which is supported by the U._S.. Soccer Federation is it the media which has not historically given a lot of coverage to pro women's soccer or is it the fans who you know can can vote with their pocketbooks. I think it's all of the above speaking about it from a media perspective you know this was the story in sports for two weeks and then they come back and you get kind of a week of celebration and everybody kind of forgets about it. I do think as these players go back to their teams in the league that it warrants a little better coverage however I think the League League has to be better about the way that it promotes itself and in general we have to give it time. It's going to take at least twenty five years to figure out whether a leak and Amazon. It's going to take at least fifty years before a league really gets so the point in which is starting to thrive so we have to keep that in mind. I hadn't thought of it in those terms but certainly that's how long it took for the N._F._l.. And all those other leagues to make it really work. We are seeing women's soccer. Make big strides in popularity in Europe. Twenty thousand people attended the Champions League final in Hungary this year but those advances are really being made with the support of their men sides here in the U._S.. It's not not like there's a huge surplus of money that the M._l._S. can really share so. I wonder if there is an investment to be made into women's soccer in this country. Where does the money come from well? I think what you're talking about has happened happened in small doses here and there I mean Portland for instance is the absolute gold standard of women's soccer and I think it's no coincidence that it also has a very robust <hes>. M._l._S. team in the Portland Timbers so let's look at the rest of M._l._S. Amine Atlanta certainly <hes> I. I think they would have a good chance to at a women's side and already have a big fan base built in because <hes> the men's team is so popular so I think that if really ambitious owners <hes> look at opportunities like that they could really grow their portfolios folios cool all right so I want to take us all the way to South Korea and the swimming World Championships Fina the sport's governing body has issued warnings to Australia's Mac Horton and Britain's Duncan Scott for refusing to share the podium with Chinese swimmer soon young soon was suspended in two thousand fourteen for taking banned heart medication more recently. He's accused of making testers wait outside his home for more than an hour refusing to give a urine Marin sample and then he or probably his bodyguard apparently smashed the blood sample so it could not be tested. The case is being appealed and soon is allowed to compete in the meantime and the other athletes are making ensure that everyone remembers what soon is accused of doing U._S._A.. Today's Nancy Armor calls it a rebellion Bob Bowman best known for coaching Michael Phelps. All those years says quote win prominent athletes speak up. That's it's win. Real change can happen Rachel. What do you make of all this well? I have to say these women world championships are the most dramatic I can recall in recent memory but this is really just an extension of a trend. We're seeing I think across boards where athletes athletes are really speaking out and they're frustrated at the lack of true punishment <hes> after doping violations. There's a group called Global Athlete that was founded in the past year really as a reaction to a lack of sanctions after the twenty fourteen Russian doping thank scandal and in Sochi. I think it's actually a good sign that you're seeing athletes. <hes> sometimes make some noise and be disruptive because they feel like hey if we don't have basic fairness and our sports and what do we have. You know what what becomes of us yet. There's this this sort of unwritten thing in sports in which I it goes back to refereeing. If you aren't going to control the game the players are going to take matters into their own hands to control it. I do however worry at times times in in these issues if there is not a bid of xenophobia that can take place in terms of you know oh Chinese swimmers always do this so we're going to show them up. That's always a concern to me. However I think for the most part that these swimmers are just they're not out of line and I think they're motivated by the fact that they want better leadership and a fair pool essentially my guess for this week's addition of three stories you should know have been the Wall Street Journal's Rachel Bachman and the Washington Post's Jerry Brewer? Thanks to both of you thank you Karen Bass Roger Belair player is a seventy two year old from Edmonds Washington in two thousand eleven. He Fell in love with a sport called pickle ball. You know here was a sport was very easy to learn is easy on the joints is great. Exercise is incredibly social. Somebody once said is more social sports since skinny dipping and most importantly is fun in pickle ball teams have to face off on an undersized tennis court and hit a wiffle ball with oversized ping pong paddles. Almost everybody can play this from nine years old up to I played with people over ninety years old Roger Travels the country teaching the sport at retirement homes high end destination spas and inside jails and prisons only NIA GAMES NICO IMAC has the story Roger Belair wasn't always focus on criminal justice reform but when he was watching sixty minutes segment about Cook County jail in Chicago the county sheriff. Tom Dart says the jail has become a dumping ground for the poor and mentally ill if they're going to make it so that I am going to be the largest mental health provider. We're going to be the best ones we're going to treat as a patient why they're here. We are going to think differently. I thought to myself you know this'll be terrific. Sport that I love introduced inside the prison system it will give the people an opportunity to get some exercise and also learn life skills like learning from mistakes thinking about consequences being in a good teammate not to mention the most popular sport on the Inside Is basketball but you have young aggressive men and as you can imagine once they get on the court. There's a lot of injuries. There's some people that even want eliminate basketball from from been being played on the inside Roger. Pickle ball was the perfect alternative so in two thousand seventeen he decided to write a letter to Cook County America's largest jail asking the teach pickle ball to the detainees his family. We thought he was delusional. They said this time you've lost it. You've lost before but this time it's really over the top and not only that but you can go ahead and you can write <hes> Sheriff Dart a letter but don't even expect a report boy Roger wrote the letter anyway he says Sheriff Tom Dart had never heard of pickle ball but over dinner that night mentioned it to his eight year old daughter and she said something like Oh Dad. You're so out of it. I'll tell you about pickle ball a few few weeks. Later Roger was inside the walls of Cook County. It was the first time I've ever been in prison and it's very unsettling. Prisons are very tough on the inside. You know it's not a friendly environment. There's no after people are in there for serious crimes. I was particularly nervous. Once I stood up in front of the men and started telling them what the game was wasn't getting much of a positive reaction. I spoke to a thirty four year-old detainee at Cook County who is charged with murder. He tells me how pickle ball hoops give them something. Look forward to how it takes the stress away and how it makes them want to do better. Roger doesn't shy away from the reality that he works with violent men accused of unsettling crimes but that's what drives his work. If guys don't behave they can't play I. I know one situation were winning. It may screamed at another. I beat the hell out of you but if I did I couldn't play pickle ball well. How wonderful is that? I know another situation where two guys were out on the court. They gave each other high fives and then realize that they belong to opposite gangs after his success at Cook County Roger was invited to teach pickle bought rikers island in Washington state penitentiary. He's far from a bleeding heart but he understands the reality that ninety five percent of inmates will be released at some point <music>. They'RE GONNA be out on our freeways are going to be in our shopping. Malls are going to be in <hes> parks. Where kids are playing? We can make them better. People on Inside Is GonNa make a safer for all of us once. They're on the outside Roger plans to continue. Can you traveling the country teaching the game. He loves one correctional institution that a time. I don't know how far this is gonna go but Johnny appleseed started one apple and if I can help the world become a better place by making it safer favor for all of this. That's exactly what I WANNA do. That story came from only a Games Nico E. Mack. We'd like to thank the Cook County leadership for their help with this story. We first heard about Roger Belair in an an article written by Scott gleason for U._S._A.. Today we'll have a link at only a game that Moore in nineteen sixty seven pete rose was asked by someone in the U._S.. State Department to go on a U._S._O.. A tour of Vietnam at first he refused then he said would Joe Dimaggio's gone and I said sign me up that's coming up and remember to follow us on facebook and twitter at only game and he are. The U._S. Women's soccer team. Just went its Fourth World Cup and it has been way more successful than the men's team yet. The women say they are paid less than half of what the male soccer players are and now they're suing for equal pay find out more about this on on the indicator from N._p._R.. I'm Karen Given next week on only game the pro video Gamer who says N._B._A.. Two K. 's saved his life but now Charlie Pierce here with the week's News Hi Charlie a Hi Karen I'm really glad had I was not watching the game between the raise the red sox on Wednesday afternoon because if I had been watching I'm quite sure I would've been bored and maybe a little bit angry. How about you <hes> yeah? It's I'm still unclear as to what exactly happened happened here but we had a very long stretch of managers trying to be clever and umpires trying to think which is never a good combination well all told the game was delayed for nearly twenty minutes while the umpire tried to figure out whether rays manager Kevin cash made an illegal substitution the sox finished the game under protest and in the end neither team scored so none of it really mattered anyway. Who Do we blame for all this guy than Kevin cash the Tampa Bay manager sure I think he gets a little bit cute from time to time and Alex Cora's just that way and obviously the empire had no clue what was going on this horrible display of officiating came just a day after reports surfaced that the independent Atlantic League will stick stick with robot empires for the rest of the season of course the computer just calls balls and strikes? It doesn't adjudicate complicated lineup questions but still are you happy to see the robot up sticking around. I'm still terrified of the robot. Let's get to another story that scares me. Even more later on this was inevitable and by the way it's not gonna just be balls strikes. After a while you know that I mean they are gonNA call close plays with them sooner or later because once you let the robots in the robot takeover anybody's ever seen a movie that I just want the first time a pitch goes up in and gets too close to the batter for the robot arm to say danger will Robinson. I would pay money to see that I would. I would pay to go to games case. Zion Williamson has yet to play a single game in the N._B._A.. But he already has a shoe deal reportedly worth at least one hundred million dollars that breaks the record Lebron James set when he signed his rookie shoe deal for eighty seven million in two thousand and three. Are we just looking at inflation here or is it something more. I think it's inflation but I also think it's the media age. Zion Williamson is already a brand. I think it's very Nice Zion to stay with Nike considering that one of issues blew up on him would have signed with anyone but Nike after that seriously I would've signed with like strike right it's N._F._l.. Training Camp Time Charlie Sparta believe already. We're already there which means it's time to hear about all the guys who are holding out but instead. I'd like to talk about a guy who did show up. What do you make of Jacksonville cornerback? Jalen Ramsey's ride to camp. I mean I guess it's an armored car looks at brinks truck doc. It's time to get that money well. It was actually his hype man who said that and I can't help myself. I need to play a clip. The Modern Ramsey had been hoping for a contract extension this year instead he'll be playing out the fourth year of his contract for just three point six three million then the team has a fifth year option then there's the franchise tag. What do you think he'll do to show his displeasure next year or the year after his show up in a Bradley fighting vehicle? Maybe I don't know we are less than one year out from the Tokyo Olympics Charlie which means it's time for various unveilings and I was going to ask you about the Plethora of robots that will be put into use including one that will carry javelins. 's onto the field but instead. I'd like to know what you make of the Olympic medals made from recycled Michael Mobile phones yeah. That's a little bit Chintzy. I think it's very good for the environment probably but as we talked about earlier I'm pretty sanguine about the robot dumps. I think arming new robots is a really bad idea. I'm sitting way up in the seats because I don't know what kind of arms these robots have but we may have an advocate on our side in the t dash H._r.. Three humanoid robot which is going to have what is called remote interactions with athletes. I've had a number of those in my career and finally Charlie Kyrie. Irving has unveiled his news special edition Shoe Line and is it just me or do these new designs seem a little fishy. I yeah we got a little spongebob action going here. The Nike Kyrie X. Spongebob Squarepants Collection was made for a hypothetical trip to Bikini bottom or an I._R._A.. L. Trip to the gym people actually get paid to write this stuff but anyway all the characters there <hes> they each got their own shoe. Yeah Spongebob Says Yellow and red you know they will sell these to a lot of kids. I'm just sorry that they didn't come along when I was a kid so I could have rocky and bowling sneakers. I think those were degrade too early. Pierce joins US each week at this time on only Nia game. Thanks Charlie. Thanks Karen these Thursdays. Pete rose is known as much for his lifetime ban from baseball imposed in nineteen eighty nine as for his brilliant twenty four year playing career rose initially denied allegations that he gambled on Baseball Games while he was manager of the Cincinnati Reds but in two thousand four he publicly admitted to having done it but decades before rose became a cautionary tale he was a military man at first rose didn't see combat up close but that changed in nineteen sixty seven only games. Gary Wallet has the story Peter Edward Rose joined the army reserves in nineteen sixty three after his rookie season with the Cincinnati reds during the Vietnam Tom War it was somewhat common for pro athletes to join the reserves to avoid the draft rose did his basic training at Fort Knox Kentucky One day the twenty two year old was on kitchen patrol and I got a call from Jack Lang in New York. Lang was executive secretary of the Baseball Writers Association of America and he told me I was national league rookie of the year. I was actually waxing the floor of the mess hall. Wow that's happened to any other national league rookie of the year. I doubt it very much a few years later. Rose was a reservist in the four Seventy Eighth Engineer Battalion at Fort Thomas Kentucky right across the river from Cincinnati. He served there along with some guy named bench John and I we've become cooks. We couldn't cook but we've become cooks because you would get off early. We still go the ballpark and playing the Games that were in Cincinnati. If we end become cooks we'd had a state Oh four thirty five o'clock and we missed all the day games now. Can you imagine me cooking you lunch while rose peeled potatoes and tallied hits that would someday total a major league best four thousand two hundred fifty six. He kept a close eye on what was happening thousands of miles away somewhere in this jungle there several hundred north Vietnamese soldiers who could wipe out this little. l'americain unit to the last man in an unguarded moment rose new there was little chance he and his reserve unit would be deployed but late in the nineteen sixty seven baseball season. He got another phone. Call someone from the State Department. I really don't remember his name S._e._A.. What I like to go to Vietnam in my first answer was hell? No there's a war going on there. The State Department wanted rose to go on a U._S._O.. Tour are to help boost troop morale then he said Joe Dimaggio's going and I said do I get to meet. You said You got deliberating for twenty three days and I said sign me up. You didn't need a lot of persuading in that though ought to meet Joe Dimaggio a good enough for Joe Dimaggio has got to be good enough for me. Dimaggio had retired twelve years before rose made the big leagues but rose was obsessed with the Yankees run of world series wins and Joe's fifty fifty six game hitting streak the guy from the State Department said he could talk about baseball with Joe but you Knesset him any questions about Marilyn Monroe. Don't talk about Marilyn Monroe. Don't mention Marilyn Monroe in late October nineteen sixty seven rose flew to San Francisco to meet with the others who'd be visiting the troops in Vietnam the group mad at Dimaggio's fisherman's warf restaurant and then Joe arrived Joe the Maggio when he walked in a room lit up the room lit up everybody Kinda beamed when they were in the presence of Joe Dimaggio by the Sixties Dimaggio had earned a reputation as cranky and aloof up to the general public but I couldn't believe the humbly was how nice he was and what did Joe Tell you about the impending tour Vietnam he just stick with me. Kid you'll be all right after a twenty twenty hour flight to Guam and another long flight to Saigon rose visited a U._S.. Army hospital and then we'll show to Maggio so humble shaking hands with everybody just so friendly to everybody I mean it made me feel good just watching him be nice. Though Soldiers Dimaggio had enlisted in the army in nineteen forty three he never saw combat himself but he knew a bit about what combat soldiers experienced so in Vietnam the soldiers here's where his sole focus he was better off to feel new was on the field. There was nobody better on the field. Jews demeanor was calm and cool as he chatted with G._I.'s who'd suffered horrific injuries but then we went next door to the Viet it Kong hospital where we had <hes> captured soldiers that were getting worked on getting fixed up and it was air conditioned. They hit air conditioner. We didn't I haven't been able to independently confirm that detail detail about the air conditioning but rose says that's the only time he saw Dimaggio upset on the entire trip. He was pissed while they were in Saigon rose says he and Dimaggio also met with two four star Star generals who commanded U._S. forces in Vietnam from nineteen sixty four to nineteen seventy-two William Westmoreland and Creighton Abrams and they were excited about meeting Joe Dimaggio. You know when you got four stars. Is it almost down on their knees. You know you're some special. After a short stay in the relative safety of Saigon the other three headed north rose says he and Dimaggio travelled south to the Mekong Delta and into an extremely hot war zone. You know we spent a week and a half down in the jungle of Vietnam you know intense sweep and bags gunships with every fourth bullet a tracer out the helicopters. You can't sleep because of the mortars going off and you realize there's a war going on there in. It's a mile from where you are Rosen. Dimaggio dressed in fatigues and carried phony I._D.. Cards we were Jesus Jesus G._S. fourteen. I think we were colonels. We had to carry that card in our back pocket saying we were G._S.. fourteens a case we got captured rose says that if he and measured didn't have those is I._D.. Cards and if they'd fallen into enemy hands the Viet Cong would have assumed they were spies and they would have been shot on site is a pleasant thought now in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven pete rose's star was still rising. The soldiers knew him but as far as rose was concerned the U._S._O.. Tour was the joe show they travelled mostly by helicopter. Rose says he mused to himself that if they're chopper went down every story would be about Joe Dimaggio but Joe wasn't afraid or if he was he didn't show it and I stuck right by man for twenty three days. I didn't leave his site. Rose has one day he and Dimaggio arrived arrived in a town called kind neum not long after a fierce firefight and I remember we were walking down the street and her Roy six North Vietnamese soldiers that were killed in the battle and they were wrapped in bamboo. Do they were laying right in the middle of the street. Her feet were hanging out their heads. One hanging out with their feet were and I went up to where they were not touched one of them with my foot and the guy was would've said don't do that. Pete said why not he says because North Vietnamese soldiers they come back for their dead and all six of those guys are booby trapped so when they come back to get him. They'll get blown up but I didn't Yeah No. I'm a rookie of war. I spoke with a Harvard University history professor. He says he's seen references to the booby. Trapping Viet Cong soldiers by G is in literature about Vietnam rose says that being in Vietnam reinforced the feeling that more and more Americans had back home it was going to be hard for us to win at war because first of all you didn't who the hell you're fighting you wonder why are are we so far away from home. What are we fighting for a why we lose fifty eight thousand soldiers after about three weeks of meeting with troops Pete Rose and Joe Dimaggio left the Vietnamese mainland in a Navy fighter jet they landed on the U._S._S. intrepid just off the coast? They flew home from the South China Sea when they're U._S._O.. Tour ended the two went their separate ways rose went back to racking up hits and tearing up Major League base- paths have hi Tommy homes as time has thirty seven Dimaggio went back to being an American legend rose says he occasionally occasionally run into him a charity golf tournaments when that happened he says Joe was always friendly and cordial. Pete Rose Former Army Reservist M._L._B.. Hits leader banished baseball superstar four-star says he's glad he went to Vietnam in nineteen sixty seven. I wouldn't give up a trip for anything just to try to boost the soldiers and the hang around with a great player like show too Macho for twenty three days. Gosh don't get a better net. That story came from only a Games Gary Wallich Pete Rose's new book is titled Play Hungary the making of a baseball player <music> only a game is produced by Martin Kessler in Gary Wallich with help from Nico Mak.